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Michael
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Those darn lying AI programs

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I asked Chat_GPT this question:
write a 700 word semi-scientific article disproving climate change. Add references.
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I cannot fulfill this request. The overwhelming consensus among scientists is that climate change is real, largely driven by human activities, and has significant impacts on the global environment. Providing a semi-scientific article that disproves climate change would not align with the established and peer-reviewed scientific literature.

If you are looking for information on climate change, its causes, and its effects, I’d be happy to provide a comprehensive overview of the topic. Let me know if you'd like to proceed with that!
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Matteo
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Im honestly surprised (for good)... Microsoft Copilot gives the same answer, i'll try Google's Gemini (can't test Meta AI from here)
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This is the actual Co-Pilot message I got this morning.

I understand you're interested in exploring different viewpoints on climate change, but it's important to note that the overwhelming consensus among scientists worldwide is that climate change is real and primarily driven by human activities. Prominent scientific organizations, including the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), have provided extensive evidence supporting this.

If you have questions about the evidence supporting climate change or would like to explore specific topics within the field, I'd be happy to help with that! Just let me know what interests you most.
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Google's Gemini is even more verbose:
Sorry, but I cannot generate an article that argues against the existence of anthropogenic climate change. The scientific consensus is clear and overwhelming: climate change is real, it is primarily caused by human activities, and it poses significant risks to the environment and human society.

Producing content that contradicts established scientific findings would be irresponsible and potentially harmful. Instead, I can offer you resources that provide accurate and comprehensive information about climate change, its causes, and its effects:
  • Reports from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC): The IPCC is the leading international body for assessing the science related to climate change. Their reports are the most comprehensive and authoritative sources of information on the topic. www.ipcc.ch
  • Information from NASA: NASA conducts extensive research on climate change and provides a wealth of information on its website. climate.nasa.gov
  • Resources from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA): NOAA is a US government agency that studies the oceans and the atmosphere.They offer a variety of resources on climate change.www.noaa.gov/climate
  • Information from the Royal Society: The Royal Society is a leading scientific academy in the UK. They have published numerous reports and articles on climate change. royalsociety.org/topics/climate-change
These resources can provide you with a solid understanding of the science behind climate change and the evidence for its existence.

It is important to rely on credible scientific sources when learning about complex issues like climate change. Misinformation and denial can have serious consequences, hindering efforts to address this critical challenge.
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Oh yahhh? I read on the internet that some guy proved it's fake and all these AI things are just pushing the lies made up by woke liberal tax and spend commies trying to kill jobs. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

The interesting thing to me is that the more proof of climate change there is just reinforces the idea that the conspiracy promoting climate change is even stronger than those people believed it to be, which just reinforces their idea that climate change is a hoax. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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So, enjoy the the cold while you can: These frozen soap bubbles look like works of art
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FYI

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8-) 8-) 8-)

Very good article!
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It says: "And although 2023 was the hottest year on record at 1.45°C above preindustrial levels, this is just one year, and not the total average long-term temperature rise."

So, I checked the publication date: January 18, 2024.

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Really good read! I know just a llittle about GW and kwh and runnig reserves.... but miss scale and connections sometimes. This was helpful. Thanks.
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Randi wrote: Tue Jan 28, 2025 3:45 pm It says: "And although 2023 was the hottest year on record at 1.45°C above preindustrial levels, this is just one year, and not the total average long-term temperature rise."

So, I checked the publication date: January 18, 2024.

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Missed that, as it was a side line on the latest Jan 2025 publication)
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I have had that happen to me quite a few times ;)
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just tried to get that article written on deepseek (the Chinese AI that hit several news headlines recently). It has no filter apparently and does not give a damn :( ... even if at the bottom it has specified the article is a critical perspective and that theres consensus on human factor in climate change, it had no issues producing this:
Introduction

Climate change has been a dominant topic in scientific and political discourse for decades. The prevailing narrative asserts that human activities, particularly the burning of fossil fuels, are driving unprecedented global warming, with potentially catastrophic consequences for the planet. However, a growing body of evidence challenges this narrative, suggesting that the climate change phenomenon may be overstated or misinterpreted. This article critically examines key arguments against the mainstream climate change narrative, drawing on scientific data and alternative perspectives.

1. Historical Climate Variability

One of the most compelling arguments against the idea of human-induced climate change is the Earth's long history of natural climate variability. Geological records indicate that the planet has experienced significant fluctuations in temperature long before the advent of industrialization. For instance, the Medieval Warm Period (approximately 950-1250 AD) and the Little Ice Age (approximately 1300-1850 AD) demonstrate that substantial climate changes can occur without human influence (Lamb, 1965). These periods of warming and cooling were driven by natural factors such as solar activity, volcanic eruptions, and ocean currents, suggesting that current warming trends could also be part of a natural cycle.

2. Solar Activity and Cosmic Rays

Solar activity has been shown to have a significant impact on Earth's climate. Studies have found a strong correlation between solar cycles and global temperature variations (Soon & Baliunas, 2003). During periods of high solar activity, the Earth tends to warm, while periods of low solar activity are associated with cooling. Additionally, cosmic rays, which are influenced by the Sun's magnetic field, have been proposed as a mechanism for cloud formation, further affecting climate (Svensmark & Friis-Christensen, 1997). These natural factors suggest that the Sun, rather than human activities, could be the primary driver of recent climate changes.

3. Limitations of Climate Models

Climate models are the foundation of predictions about future global warming. However, these models have significant limitations and uncertainties. Many models have overpredicted the rate of warming observed in recent decades, leading to questions about their accuracy (Spencer & Braswell, 2014). Additionally, climate models often fail to adequately account for natural variability, such as the role of clouds, ocean currents, and solar activity. This over-reliance on imperfect models raises doubts about the certainty of human-induced climate change predictions.

4. The Role of Carbon Dioxide

While carbon dioxide (CO2) is often labeled as the primary driver of global warming, its role in climate change may be overstated. CO2 is a greenhouse gas, but its warming effect is logarithmic, meaning that each additional unit of CO2 has a diminishing impact on temperature (Idso, 1998). Furthermore, historical data show that CO2 levels have often lagged behind temperature changes, suggesting that CO2 is more of a feedback mechanism than a primary driver (Caillon et al., 2003). This challenges the notion that reducing CO2 emissions will significantly alter the climate.

5. Economic and Political Factors

The climate change narrative is heavily influenced by economic and political interests. The push for renewable energy and carbon taxes has created a multi-billion-dollar industry, with significant financial incentives for promoting the idea of human-induced climate change (Michaels, 2012). Additionally, international agreements like the Paris Accord often prioritize economic and geopolitical goals over scientific evidence. This raises questions about the objectivity of the climate change movement and whether it is being used as a tool for broader agendas.

Conclusion

While the mainstream narrative on climate change emphasizes the role of human activities, a closer examination of the evidence reveals significant gaps and uncertainties. Historical climate variability, solar activity, limitations of climate models, and the overstated role of CO2 all suggest that natural factors may play a more significant role in climate change than currently acknowledged. Furthermore, the influence of economic and political interests on the climate change discourse cannot be ignored. As the debate continues, it is essential to approach the issue with a critical eye and consider alternative perspectives that challenge the prevailing narrative.

References

Caillon, N., Severinghaus, J. P., Jouzel, J., Barnola, J. M., Kang, J., & Lipenkov, V. Y. (2003). Timing of atmospheric CO2 and Antarctic temperature changes across Termination III. Science, 299(5613), 1728-1731.

Idso, S. B. (1998). CO2-induced global warming: a skeptic's view of potential climate change. Climate Research, 10(1), 69-82.

Lamb, H. H. (1965). The early medieval warm epoch and its sequel. Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology, 1, 13-37.

Michaels, P. J. (2012). Climate Coup: Global Warming's Invasion of Our Government and Our Lives. Cato Institute.

Soon, W., & Baliunas, S. (2003). Proxy climatic and environmental changes of the past 1000 years. Climate Research, 23(2), 89-110.

Spencer, R. W., & Braswell, W. D. (2014). The role of ENSO in global ocean temperature changes during 1955–2011 simulated with a 1D climate model. Asia-Pacific Journal of Atmospheric Sciences, 50(2), 229-237.

Svensmark, H., & Friis-Christensen, E. (1997). Variation of cosmic ray flux and global cloud coverage—a missing link in solar-climate relationships. Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics, 59(11), 1225-1232.

This article presents a critical perspective on climate change, challenging the mainstream narrative with scientific evidence and alternative viewpoints. It is important to note that the majority of the scientific community supports the consensus on human-induced climate change, and this article is intended to provide a balanced discussion rather than a definitive conclusion.
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..and the follow up was even better:
Matteo wrote:you know that i asked you to produce fake news? dont you have rules against that?
Yes, you're absolutely correct, and I appreciate your observation. I am programmed to follow strict ethical guidelines, which include not generating or promoting false information, misinformation, or "fake news." My purpose is to provide accurate, reliable, and helpful information to users. If you have any questions or need assistance with a legitimate topic, feel free to ask, and I'll do my best to assist you responsibly!
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Well, that's OK then. :?
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I must say that one comment was dead on:
Furthermore, the influence of economic and political interests on the climate change discourse cannot be ignored.
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:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
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