China Station, Japan, Pacific and Indian Ocean -- Discussion

[Michael]

[AvastMH]

Whaler Coral: 14 June 1888 in the Japan Sea
(Found via MapCarta)

Olga Bay

Zaliv Ol’gi
2018548
H GULF gulf
Russia RU » Primorskiy (Maritime) Kray 59
43.69736, 135.24235

Posted to China etc discuss topic.

[AvastMH]

Whaler Coral: Bittern Rocks 23rd June 1888
41 14 N 130 20E This appears to be a longitude error.
20th June 42 45 N 136 30 E
22nd June 41 14 N 130 20 E
24th June 40 40 N 139 00 E

The China Pilot: comprising the coasts of China, Korea, and Tartary (1861)
Bittern Rocks: 40deg 31min N 139deg 31min E



https://www.geonames.org/2038789/henashi-zaki.html
Cape Gamaley
Henashi Zaki ca. 2 m
2038789
T PT point
Japan JP » Aomori 03 » Nishitsugaru-gun 8534376 » Fukaura Machi 02323
40.60304, 139.86041

Sailing Directions (Enroute) - Japan, Volume II, 2017, page 46
3 Henashi Saki (Henasi Saki) (40°37'N., 139°52'E.), about
3.5 miles farther WSW, is the W extremity of Fukaura Hanto
and is marked by a light. Tsubaki San, a 60m hill at the point,
appears as an islet from a distance and is very conspicuous
from N or S.
Caution.—Kyuroku-jima (Kyuroku Shima) (40°32'N.,
139°30'E.) consists of three above-water rocks, about 17 miles
WSW of Henashi Saki, with other awash or sunken rocks in the
vicinity. The W and largest rock, marked by a light, is about 57m
long and 12.8m wide; it has two knobs, 6m high, and resembles
a vessel from a distance. The other two above-water rocks lie
about 0.1 mile ENE of the largest rock, and are 2m and 4m high,
respectively.
2.3 A pinnacle rock, awash, and a rock with a depth of 1.8m, lie
about 0.2 mile SE and 0.3 mile NE, respectively, of the largest
rock. The sea breaks on the sunken rock.
2.3 A rock, with a depth of 5.2m, lies about 1 mile W of the largest rock of Kyuroku-jima, and a rock, with a depth of 4.1m, lies
about 0.3 mile NE of the above 5.4m rock.
2.3 The bank, on which all of the above dangers lie, has irregular
depths and vessels should avoid the area. The edges of the bank
fall suddenly to depths of over 200m.

Kyūroku Jima
2038756
T RKS rocks
Japan JP » Aomori 03
40.53376, 139.49918

Japan

Kyūroku Jima

40.53376

139.49918

Japan

Bittern Rocks

40.53376

139.49918

See Kyūroku Jima

Hi Matteo, would it be possible to get the name 'Bittern Rocks' registered with Geonames please? Thank you

[AvastMH]

A little late, but i've added all (except one) the last places to the database and they will soon appear on reference thread

Thanks everyone for all the contributions!!

@Joan: No luck with that Hawaiian bay, but with a lot of imagination maybe one could read (both) the text as Kaiula? Kailua Bay is not too far from the westernmost point of the island

Hi Matteo - so sorry - I missed this reply - oops! Thanks so much. I'll put that into the transcription workbooks because it looks highly likely to be the very place.

[AvastMH]

Broughton Island (Waiting in the Russia discussion topic)

[AvastMH]

Whaler Coral 27th Sept 1888

Cape Rollin

Mys Rollin ca. 92 m
Мыс Роллин
2121620
T CAPE cape
Russia RU » Sakhalin Oblast 64
46.76689, 151.79706

Russia

Mys Rollin

46.76689

151.79706

Sakhalin Oblast

Russia

Cape Rollin

See Mys Rollin

[sleepyowl]

Another Asiatic Pilot found while looking for Reille Rock:
Asiatic Pilot : East coast of Siberia, Sakhalin Island and Korea
https://books.google.com.sg/books?id=Xt ... ea&f=false

[Michael]

[Matteo]

Will update ref threads soon with all finds! Thank you all!

@Joan: Added the alias to geonames for Bittern Rocks, very nice search!

@sleepyowl: For the pilot books, we have all of them (I-VI) in the "China/India/Malaysia/Indonesia/Philippines/Asiatic Waters - Large area maps & Pilot books" section of reference thread... all are 1900-1920 editions... maybe it can save you some time searching them around the internet! Thanks for the "Malacca and Sumatra" 1951 sailing directions, added it to the references. I've also copied the "China Sea Directory" to the Japan section as well (we had it in the China section only) so it can be found more easily.

[sleepyowl]

My ship just went to Labuan, had to find a Pilot that covers the southern part of the South China Sea

ASIATIC PILOT FOR SUNDA STRAIT AND SOUTHERN APPROACH TO SOUTH CHINA SEA
https://books.google.com.sg/books?id=__ ... ea&f=false

[sleepyowl]

Hi Matteo,

I only just noticed this - thanks, will take note of it.

@sleepyowl: For the pilot books, we have all of them (I-VI) in the "China/India/Malaysia/Indonesia/Philippines/Asiatic Waters - Large area maps & Pilot books" section of reference thread... all are 1900-1920 editions... maybe it can save you some time searching them around the internet! Thanks for the "Malacca and Sumatra" 1951 sailing directions, added it to the references. I've also copied the "China Sea Directory" to the Japan section as well (we had it in the China section only) so it can be found more easily.

[pommystuart]

Some new names in Red

French Polynesia Tahuata -9.94319 -139.08743 Santa Tristina
French Polynesia Ua Huka -8.9 -139.55 Washington Island

From log page https://s3.amazonaws.com/NARAprodstorag ... 6_0023.JPG

[Randi]

Kevin posted these when we were working on the Yangtze flood ships, but they don't seem to be here...
https://calisphere.org/item/ark:/20775/bb1673549w/
https://calisphere.org/item/ark:/20775/bb2151374v/
https://calisphere.org/item/ark:/20775/bb3516575h/
https://calisphere.org/item/ark:/20775/bb4847640t/
https://calisphere.org/item/ark:/20775/bb5700892q/
https://calisphere.org/item/ark:/20775/bb60421919/
https://calisphere.org/item/ark:/20775/bb68954435/
https://calisphere.org/item/ark:/20775/bb53595913/
https://calisphere.org/item/ark:/20775/bb35507031/

[Michael]

I clicked the first two and maps came up. I re-posted them with the chart title for easier access.

[Michael]

Yangtze River - Tungliu to Hankow
Yangtze River - Nanking to Tungliu
Yangtze River - Shanghai to Nanking
The Upper Yangtze Kiang : Kweichowfu to Chungking
Approaches to the Yangtze River
Yangtze River: Hankow
Plans in the Yangtze Kiang: Lee Rocks; Havoc & Ella Rocks; King Kau Rocks
Upper Yangtze Kiang - Hankow to Anlu
Yangtze River : The Poyang Lake

[Randi]

Thanks!

[ggordon]

I need help with a location in Japan on this page,
https://s3.amazonaws.com/NARAprodstorag ... 10-032.JPG

I'm struggling with the entry in the sail column to the left of the events section at the end of the Meridian to 4PM shift. I believe Sozu Island and a reference to Soza Sima elsewhere in the events section are the same as Shodoshima Island in Harima Nada. However, I need help with what appears to be something like, "Tukabe Island."

Shodoshima Island

[Michael]

It's probably Fukube Jima

Japan Fukube Jima 34.42582 134.28862 Kagawa

Unless you get a perverse sense of gratitude in finding these things, just enter your best guess, and I'll get them when I'm working on the voyage. It's easier fore me to do it at the time than to do these one off challenges.

[ggordon]

That must be it. The location fits. While working on this I came across a couple of references to Uchinomi as being a good place to anchor and was guessing they must have been near there. Fukube Island is in the right location relative to that.

I was wondering how much effort I should put into finding these locations, knowing that you have good tools available for finding them when you process our transcriptions, although I do like the challenge. (I was a Geography minor in college.)

[Michael]

It's up to you as to how much effort you want to spend looking for these places. I'm OK either way