Old Weather Forum
Shore Leave => Dockside Cafe => Topic started by: Bunting Tosser on 04 April 2011, 10:39:41
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I realise that I have cluttered the Riveting Logs Entries with
trivia (and I refrained from submitting some). So here is an option for
curious_or_possibly_interesting_but_less_than_rivetting items.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58287/ADM%2053-58287-005_0.jpg
E 2 Lt Airs.
Make your mind up!
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Et 2 log keeper?
yours -
Kathy W.
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I didn't think things could get any funnier !
I was wrong !
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(same page http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58287/ADM%2053-58287-005_0.jpg)
That's what happens when a man tries multi-tasking, even if it's as simple as having a wash:
"Hand employed cleaning s(tarbord) hip".
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HMS Cricket, again,
Try as I might, I cannot see this as anything other than oRd.
Seems an odd combination to me, unless they were sequential; immediately after writing R.
Any comments?
For information: recently, "Wind Force" has been entered as " .01 " ???
He always uses upper case, so I don't think it's a huge "g", but I'll look for one.
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I agree with your interpretation - it must have been
sequential. "Q" might have been a better description, but perhaps
only from the comfy perspective of sitting in a cozy room 100+ years
later.
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Farrelly,
Thanks for the help of your much younger eyes and the
reminder about context: it was 0800 on a Monday morning. Not the best
time for me, either.
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I've stickied this, so it gathers the same amount of fun. Good idea! ;D
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Wind direction at 8pm is NWE, apparently. ???
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54580/ADM%2053-54580-003_1.jpg
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54580/ADM%2053-54580-007_0.jpg
The Patia is commemorating its former chief gunner (see 1.40pm entry), which is a nice touch - except that the man's name was Chetworth, not 'Cheetwood', as it says in the log. :-\
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Somebody thought it was Friday the 13th, but then it turned out that it wasn't. ;D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54580/ADM%2053-54580-009_1.jpg
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Somebody thought it was Friday the 13th, but then it turned out that it wasn't.
Luckily he realised it was Weanesday - It is he, once more
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Somebody thought it was Friday the 13th, but then it turned out that it wasn't.
Luckily he realised it was Weanesday - It is he, once more
Indeed.
I like to imagine that he had a name containing lots of d's (like
'Eawara') and that people constantly made fun of him. It's a very
comforting thought while you're struggling with those sloppy d's... :-\
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54580/ADM%2053-54580-014_1.jpg
Just
when you thought that it couldn't get any worse, you get a dyslexic
log-keeper, who can't spell 'relieved' yet insists on writing it about a
dozen times every day.:(
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Wind direction at 8pm is NWE, apparently. ???
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54580/ADM%2053-54580-003_1.jpg
I
sure see what you mean, but this is one of those entries that (for me,
anyway) yields to the Big Long Stare: I think the middle letter for all
three of those PM entries is really an "N", not a "W". (NNE, NNE,
NNW. The midnight entry helps a lot.)
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Wind direction at 8pm is NWE, apparently. ???
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54580/ADM%2053-54580-003_1.jpg
I
sure see what you mean, but this is one of those entries that (for me,
anyway) yields to the Big Long Stare: I think the middle letter for all
three of those PM entries is really an "N", not a "W". (NNE, NNE,
NNW. The midnight entry helps a lot.)
It's
one of those cases where usually good handwriting falls victim to a
slight tremor, sneeze or distraction. If I screw up my eyes, squint, and
face the opposite direction, then it's obviously an "N".
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Wind direction at 8pm is NWE, apparently. ???
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54580/ADM%2053-54580-003_1.jpg
I
sure see what you mean, but this is one of those entries that (for me,
anyway) yields to the Big Long Stare: I think the middle letter for all
three of those PM entries is really an "N", not a "W". (NNE, NNE,
NNW. The midnight entry helps a lot.)
It's
one of those cases where usually good handwriting falls victim to a
slight tremor, sneeze or distraction. If I screw up my eyes, squint, and
face the opposite direction, then it's obviously an "N".
Squinting
is an excellent approach, with the added benefit of not having your
eyeballs dry up. Also helpful is letting your eyes go out of
focus, overdosing on coffee, and trying to channel the poor old
logkeeper, may he rest in peace.
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Was the US indulging in some impersonation or short of tablecloths for a picnic?
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A white ensign? did the US destroyer borrow it in order to
surrender? I don't know about the uses of the white ensign; if I
knew a bunting tosser, I'd ask . . .
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Wind direction at 8pm is NWE, apparently. ???
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54580/ADM%2053-54580-003_1.jpg
I
sure see what you mean, but this is one of those entries that (for me,
anyway) yields to the Big Long Stare: I think the middle letter for all
three of those PM entries is really an "N", not a "W". (NNE, NNE,
NNW. The midnight entry helps a lot.)
I agree. The hump of the W in the midnight entry is lower that the pseudo-hump of the N in the 8pm entry.
I
do my best to follow the record what was written rule, but with the
letter less than clear, I think that context can be used to decide. On
the other hand, the purpose of having 3 transcribers is to get different
interpertations as well as to catch typos!
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We've just lost '9 7/8 Pints Rum', it appears: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54581/ADM%2053-54581-004_1.jpg
I wonder what happened to the remaining 1/8 pint (yes, I know, somebody drank it, but when?).
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Farrelly,
I don't know about the uses of the white ensign; if I knew a bunting tosser, I'd ask . . .
Hehe,
Irrespective of whether you meant it, your wish is my command.
So
far as I am concerned, there are three ensigns. Unsurprisingly, they
are red, white & blue, all having the Union Flag in the canton (top
quarter on flag-pole side).
Blue Ensign: for use by government bodies
e.g. Coastguards, and "Royal" associated organisations e.g. yacht clubs
(but not now rigorously restricted)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Ensign
Red Ensign: the flag of the "Merchant Marine" available for any British resident who has a boat to put it on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Ensign
White Ensign: the flag of the Royal Navy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Ensign
Now, aren't you glad you asked?
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Thank you, I didn't know any of that.
But why would a US ship have borrowed a white ensign? It's not like flying that false flag would protect them from enemy warships! ::)
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But why would a US ship have borrowed a white ensign? It's not
like flying that false flag would protect them from enemy warships!
Oh, I'm not so sure of that. Perhaps the US had upset someone before we got around to it.
Or, perhaps it was a naval pantie raid?
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JJ,
But why would a US ship have borrowed a white ensign
Ah-ha!
Reciprocal arrangement?
8.00 Dressed ship with American ensigns
Hazard a guess as to the date?
Shanghai
has been a regular honey pot for US shipping. At one point we had 4
submarines moored and 7 destroyers mentioned by their numbers - they
were whizzing out of harbour and returning, for several consecutive
days.
Maybe the White Ensigns were loaned out for St. George's Day. There were some pages missing around 23rd April.
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Now that makes sense. Thanks again.
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why, yes -- thanks so much - I definitely didn't intend for you to undertake a lot of research.
Are
we inferring too much into the word "returned"? Perhaps it was a
reply? Was there a US equivalent to the White Ensign? (not so far
as I can tell.) I think your original explanation - picnic
tablecloths - was as good as any we'll come up with.
thanks again for tossing the bunting!!! You've given it new meaning. 8)
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farrelly,
I definitely didn't intend for you to undertake a lot of research.
It wasn't recent research it was from memory, apart from Wiki for the graphics.
The
evolution of the Union Flag is through amalgamation and combination, as
with the Stars & Stripes but more complicated as we had some 600
years headstart.
It's nice to have an audience that doesn't, visibly, run from the room.
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mutabilitie,
We've just lost '9 7/8 Pints Rum',
HMS Cricket:
10.45 received on board 39 cases victualling stores per Lavers & Clark (one jar of rum damaged & empty)
On the face of it, we didn't sign for it so we didn't lose it.
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mutabilitie,
We've just lost '9 7/8 Pints Rum',
HMS Cricket:
10.45 received on board 39 cases victualling stores per Lavers & Clark (one jar of rum damaged & empty)
On the face of it, we didn't sign for it so we didn't lose it.
But they still 'received' the jar, even though it was damaged & empty?
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JJ
Reciprocal arrangement?
8.00 Dressed ship with American ensigns
Further evidence: (14th July)
"8.01 Dressed ship with French ensign "
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An example of naval cross-dressing, you mean? ;)
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Or a summer salad: Cricket with French dressing.
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12.45 Received on board "360 American gallons" paraffin from APC Shanghai
Necessary precision, not an indication of the origin of the product.
It is one of the few American things that is smaller than other people's.
;)
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Shanghai, July, temperatures 80+,
Previous weather code - oc.
Subsequent weather code - oc.
Can anyone construe the attached code differently from what seems, to me, the obvious reading?
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If I really stare until my eyes dry up, it kind of looks like
"s". If I squint, it looks like "s". If I take off my
glasses, leave the room & stand on my head, it still looks like
"s". Drugs might help, but the other people who transcribe this
page would have have the same medication.
Snow in Shanghai at 86 degrees! Weather used to be so unpredictable! :o
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Thanks for all your efforts, hope it didn't spoil your hair-do.
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Well, it kind of did, but it was well worth it. thank you for noticing.
???
(I'm borrowing this emoticon to signify "messed up hair" from headstand
in attempt to visualize the letter "s" into something it isn't.)
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I always quite liked Gary Dourdan's (as Warrick Brown) moderate afro.
You could start a revival.
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Shanghai 11th August, anticipating "The Glorious Twelfth":
4.40 Typhoon warning gun fired & signal hoisted on shore station
In harbour, so probably protected from the worst; highest wind force 9 but continued for two days.
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We have typhoon warnings all the time on the Rosario - never seen anything very windy.
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never seen anything very windy.
How windy is "very windy"?
Answer would be acceptable as a wind force or on trash can scale. ;D
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I've come across something similar before on the Manica. It appears
to be some log-keeper's way of distinguishing heavy and light rain. So s
in this context probably means something along the lines of 'light showers'.
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Shanghai 12th October 1922:
6.30 USS Majore left harbour
1.35 USS Finch proc'd out of harbour
2.00 US Destroyer 110 left harbour
3.45 USS Huron left harbour
3.55 USS Black Hawk & Destroyers No 345, 230, 224, 346, 344, 228, 225, 343, 347, 226, 227 & 229 left harbour.
Looks like there's a party somewhere and Cricket's not invited.
:(
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Obviously a US-only party. Poor Cricket :(
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Court of enquiry assembled on board regarding loss of Fresh Meat
???
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4.00 Ships company paid final share of prize money
No further details.
What is more (with a few pages missing) there's been no mention that the crew had bought a lottery ticket.
;)
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8.00 Dressed ship with Italian ensign at Mast Head
4th November - surely there isn't time for any more this year.
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Of course I could be wrong:
20th November
8.00 Dressed ship with Italian ensigns
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November in Shanghai:
11.00 Sale of old Awnings and matting.
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Ya gotta feel sorry for those Italian ensigns - flapping in the wind
like that - I hope where they were was least slightly warm in November -
I would love to know what naval custom requires treating foreign
nationals in such a fashion!
:P
Kathy
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I hope where they were was least slightly warm in November - I would
love to know what naval custom requires treating foreign nationals in
such a fashion!
Shanghai; temps 32 to 67.
It was 1922, the
second flag was two days before the Italian parliament gave a guy called
Mussolini dictatorial powers "for 1 year". I believe there was no
connection.
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11.30 Received 96 pts of rum & 4 cases of stores from Hong Kong
Notice the priority...
96 pints = 12 gallons. I think 12 gallons sounds a larger amount.
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Shanghai harbour recently bade farewell to seventeen US ships
(destroyers and bigger) so there must be plenty of room, but in wind
force 1-2:
"1.40 Sampan overturned and wrecked on Starboard rudder. 2.25 Hands salved sampan."
Insurance scam?
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Not often mentioned:
10.15 Stand easy 10.30 Out pipes
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Just how ugly can a sky get?
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Pretty ugly! ;D
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randi
Brilliant ;D
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"3.0 Clothing Stores mustered by Commanding Officer and found correct"
Obviously a Kinks fan - a Dedicated Follower of Fashion.
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On the Avoca at Callao, PERU:
I had a picnic party leave just
before noon and get back at 1:00 the next morning :o. The comment
on return was "All picnic party returned". I can't help wondering
why the log keeper specified ALL ???
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33569/ADM53-33569-088_1.jpg
Check right under the middle bar.
What
makes this creepy for me is that "Lawson" is really close to my name,
and losing something overboard sounds like something I might do! ;)
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Not to worry - that says: 1 leather hose cart over board by accident through fouling hawser. You still have your good name ;D
Kathy W.
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Not to worry - that says: 1 leather hose cart over board by accident through fouling hawser. You still have your good name ;D
Kathy W.
Yeah,
you're right. I guess my handwriting-reading skills aren't as good as I
thought they were! ;) For me, the bad lighting doesn't help either.
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don't worry - you will soon develop the OW squint - ;D
Kathy W.
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Hey Bunts -
we are bringing you stuff: Shanghai May 29, 1922 10:00 am Disembarked stores for "Cricket" and "Mantis" into lighter
you know, the Foxglove is a cash and carry operation only - this will be your only billing statement..
:P
Kathy W.
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Kathy W
Thanks, but that was 12 months ago and as you weren't around (you left them in the lighter) the cheque is in the post.
Cricket
has been laid up for a couple months with the crew living ashore. We
just moved our stuff back and found that we've got a nice new wooden
deck; that will probably call for some holy-stoning soon. But first, the
old man has given the order: "11.00 Up spirits".
Good ol' Skipper. ;D
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HMS Cricket at Shanghai 2nd June 1923
"1330 Cricket Team landed"
Cricket has a cricket team! What are the odds?
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We have a tired log keeper.
At 5:00 this morning on the Avoca we "Closed Nos 3, 5, and 7 Red W/T doors".
We closed them again at 8:30pm.
Normally we open them in the morning and close them at night.
I'm
not sure whether posting this shocking error in the recording says more
about life on the Avoca or my warped sense of humor. I'm also wondering
if I should have entered this under signs of addiction ;D
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John 3:8
"The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest
the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it
goeth:"
Well, we're trying to disprove that but entries like this are a touch confusing.
On the other hand, it is written: "It is a nil wind that blows no-one any good".
<Sorry.>
<not really>
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HMS Cricket at Shanghai:
"1315 Hands preparing ship for sea
1430 Shearlegs came alongside & removed funnels "
On the face of it, an unusual preparation.
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Makes you wonder what changed - did the PTB simply decide they
didn't need Cricket to run any errands, or did a repair opportunity
suddenly open up, too good to miss?
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Having done our good deed for Cricket and Mantis, we are now
off-loading ammunition and stores for Scarab (June 1, 1922 ChinKiang),
at almost midnight, I might add.
When it absolutely has to be there -
The Foxglove
(Kathy)
Don't forget to sign the receipt -
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Brothers and sisters are easily confused (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61872/ADM%2053-61872-010_0.jpg)... ;)
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The Foxglove is still acting as a delivery service
June 4, 1922 Discharged stores and 1 rating to the Cockchafer
Kathy
Be sure to tip the driver
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61872/ADM%2053-61872-014_1.jpg
9pm: Clock put back 21 minutes.
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Kathy,
Having done our good deed for Cricket and Mantis, we
are now off-loading ammunition and stores for Scarab (June 1, 1922
ChinKiang), at almost midnight, I might add.
Are you familiar with the expression "Virtue is its own reward"?
Twelve
months on, Cricket - having been put "In Reserve" - has been acting as a
transport hub. We've been accepting packages and cases for various
ships that couldn't be bothered waiting around, and stockpiling stores
for return or onward shipping to Hong Kong. We've been providing
accommodation for any matelots awaiting transfer to absent craft, or
return to Blighty or arrival therefrom. We've been looking after other
ships' returning absentees or their kit, not to mention prisoners to-ing
and fro-ing. It's been pretty hectic, hardly time to clean ship let
alone paint the sides; and now we've we've got a new funnel to paint. So
I hope you'll not be offended if I seem not to be overcome by
gratitude.
;)
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61872/ADM%2053-61872-014_1.jpg
9pm: Clock put back 21 minutes.
That's probably associated with the note in the margin:
"HMS
Fox observed tip of one propellor blade missing." It would have reduced
your speed slightly, hence having to put the clock back 21 minutes
instead of 20 minutes.
;)
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Not just Chicago and Maryland.
HMS Cricket 9 Feb 1922 Hanhow
8.0 Calm 0 f2 29.98 46
Noon Calm 0 f2 29.98 70
Last week it was snowing.
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Lost by accident - 1 Oilskin Coat and Trousers - bet he was sorry,
given we're on Northern Patrol and the temperature is in the 40s!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37364/ADM%2053-37364-018_0.jpg
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The only way that set could be lost together would be if someone was
in them. Did they say anything about man overboard?
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Hopefully he was just going to put them on or had just taken them off ;D
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I don't think he was in them at the time - there's no mention of
anything worse than the loss - thanks goodness! I don't suppose
you'd survive long in the sea at that temperature.
Helen J
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Maybe he was in an, shall we say, altered state ;D and thought he was hanging his things up in a closet ;D
Kathy W.
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More deliveries!
June 7, 1922 - discharged ammunition to HMS Gnat -
Kathy W.
Driver carries less than 20 dollars
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-044_0.jpg
5:25 Put clocks back 23 minutes
6:25 Put clocks back 23 minutes
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-044_1.jpg
5:15 Put clocks back 10 minutes
6:15 Put clocks back 8 minutes
Seems a little specific (and weird) to put the clocks back this way. Can anyone explain this?
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hum...here is something interesting (or at least I think so ;D)
June 9, 1922 - 1 Rating was discharged to the R.C. Mission hospital. (The Foxglove is at HanKau)
yours -
Kathy W.
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KathyW
Driver carries less than 20 dollars
How late does he have to be before there's no charge?
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Pizza is free over 30 minutes - we guarantee it!
;D
All other items still cost, no matter the time it takes to get them.
:P
Kathy
Your message here
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tastiger
Seems a little specific (and weird) to put the clocks back this way. Can anyone explain this?
Best I can offer is a guess.
You
know the principle of time zones: 360 degrees around the world, 1440
minutes in a day, so for every degree East or West the clock "should" be
altered by +4mins or -4mins respectively to agree with local time. This
would be a pain so the skipper decided when it would be done. Much
could depend on the speed of the ship, proximity to land (particularly
destination) and possibly number of crew. He would not want to jump an
hour's worth at a time as this could cause bleating (grumbling) amongst
the watch that had to work the extra hour - they'd remember whether it
happened to them last time (and memories can be unreliable of a
perceived grievance) but an odd 20 minutes or less wouldn't be too bad
and it would share the misery.
Jumping to the present - the captain could be "she".
dorbel will jump on this if I'm wrong.
;)
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Pizza is free over 30 minutes - we guarantee it!
;D
All other items still cost, no matter the time it takes to get them.
:P
Kathy
Your message here
"Check integrity of jars of rum!"
Worth a try.
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Cricket, Shanghai:
"7.00 Ammunition dumped on board from HMS Scarab"
Some delivery services are less fussy than others.
We were having a lie in.
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Cricket, Shanghai:
"7.00 Ammunition dumped on board from HMS Scarab"
Some delivery services are less fussy than others.
We were having a lie in.
Cricket still at Shanghai a week later:
"5.30 Disembarked ammunition to HMS Scarab alongside"
Indian giver!
(Are we allowed to say that?)
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HMS Cricket 2nd Oct 1922
#The boys are back in town#
"11.45 USS Huron arrived
12.20 USS Black Hawk & Destroyers 224, 345, 346,344, 343, 347, 213, 342, 226, 225, 228, 227, 229, 230 arrived
1.30 USS Pecos arrived"
(Because of OW's time travel facility, this is 10 days before they left so, strictly speaking, they are not back in town; but that makes it less fun.)
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Avoca - 23 Nov 1916
6:30. Coaling party left for collier
2:30. Reported man injured in collier
2:35. Surgeon left for collier
3:25. Surgeon returned with patient
5:15. Coaling party returned
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34549/ADM%2053-34549-014_1.jpg
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Haven't seen this particular expression used before.
Definitely one for the Brits.
HMS Cricket
10.30 Stand easy
10.45 Carry on painting.
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wink wink nudge nudge ;D
Kathy W.
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Haven't seen this particular expression used before.
Definitely one for the Brits.
HMS Cricket
10.30 Stand easy
10.45 Carry on painting.
You should like the Patia, then. Lots of carry-on there...;)
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HMS Cricket Shanghai
1st April 1923 (significantly)
Highest I've seen.
Enough to buckle the deck?
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no amount of staring will fix that one. It certainly beats the highest I've seen (50-something on Arlanza.)
Must be the end of days.
No, wait, that's next month . . .
:o
(There
should be a horizontal/squished emoticon - signifying "flattened by
excessive pressure." If I could draw it here I would.)
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HMS Cricket at Shanghai 2nd June 1923
"1330 Cricket Team landed"
Cricket has a cricket team! What are the odds?
From HMS Odin November 1916 at Basra
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53202/ADM%2053-53202-010_1.jpg
2.0 Landed cricketing party.
Fancy a game Bunts??
K
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K
HMS Cricket at Shanghai 2nd June 1923
"1330 Cricket Team landed"
From HMS Odin November 1916 at Basra
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53202/ADM%2053-53202-010_1.jpg
2.0 Landed cricketing party.
Fancy a game Bunts??
Well, yes.
From where I am I can manage chinamen and googlies but it would have to be a rank long-hop to Basra.
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No, wait, that's next month . . .
Next month; last year; it's all much the same around here.
(There
should be a horizontal/squished emoticon - signifying "flattened by
excessive pressure." If I could draw it here I would.)
Something like this you mean? __
(Looks better on a darker background.)
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No, wait, that's next month . . .
Next month; last year; it's all much the same around here.
(There
should be a horizontal/squished emoticon - signifying "flattened by
excessive pressure." If I could draw it here I would.)
Something like this you mean? __
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HMS Cricket at Shanghai
for a couple of weeks we've had charge of hammock & kit of two deserters from HMS Hawkins, then ...
"13th June 1923
1645 2 recovered deserters from "Hawkins" rec'd on board from "Petersfield" placed under open arrest.
14th June 1923
1400 Two recovered deserters broke out of ship
1600 Warrant issued for arrest of deserters
1945 Two recovered deserters brought on board by civil police, placed under arrest"
This time the arrest may be less open.
15th June 1923
0930 Two prisoners taken under escort to HMS Marazion
(and finally?)
21st June
0815 HMS Hawkins entered harbour
0930 Two prisoners taken under escort to HMS Hawkins
I wonder if they've got their kit?
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HMS Cricket at Shanghai:
"1330 Firing party from Marazion came on board for drill
1400 Funeral Firing Party at drill
1500 Funeral Party Landed
1600 Half masted colours
1630 re-hoisted colours
1730 Funeral Party returned"
No further details.
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Precision or ocd (the other sort) ???
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Bunts, what date was that? Someone important but not of their
crew must have died, and now my curiousity bump is itchy. ;)
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Bunts, what date was that? Someone important but not of their crew must have died, and now my curiousity bump is itchy. ;)
Shanghai Tuesday 19th June 1923
I
had a quick look to see if I could find anything of note but I looked
in the wrong place, obviously (but not deliberately). My curiosity bump
is not so well developed.
Good Luck.
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No, wait, that's next month . . .
Next month; last year; it's all much the same around here.
(There
should be a horizontal/squished emoticon - signifying "flattened by
excessive pressure." If I could draw it here I would.)
Something like this you mean? __
yep, that would be it!
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Not a good start to the day but at least it's not Monday:
"0600 proc'd.
Starboard cable parted abaft 3rd shackle.
Lost swivel piece for cable 2" 1 in No.
shacklles joining for cable 2" 4 in No.
Shackles anchor for cable 2" 1 in No.
Chain Cable Iron sea service 45 and five sixth fathoms
Anchors close stowing 10 cwt 1 in No.
0900 Hands surveying port cable
shifting damaged shackle and putting kedge anchor on starboard cable
1130 Let go port anchor in 4 fathoms veered to 5 shackles "
(Just testing?)
That "shacklles" speelung wasn't my choice.
And the next week
"11.35 received 1 stockless anchor 1 swivel piece & 5 shackles of cable from HMS Mantis
1315 Hands employed stowing anchor & cable "
(#Back on the road again#)
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The Suva is patrolling the Red Sea and has just had a delivery of milk, it seems. Well, good luck to them trying to keep it fresh in this weather... :-\
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61876/ADM%2053-61876-011_1.jpg
Or did they already have UHT milk in 1916?
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Or did they already have UHT milk in 1916?
Not by that name.
There was "sterilized" milk, heat treated but (I'm told) not physically
homogenised although he cream content did not settle out but remained
dispersed. It has a taste similar to UHT but not nearly so unpleasant.
Another thing issued was tinned, sweetened milk (condensed milk) that
was just called milk. Tough luck if, like me, you didn't take sugar in
your tea. :(
I'm puzzled by the amount and the following
squiggle: 2.8 or 28? "of s" for "sterilized"? "c/s" cases? If it is
"cases" it could be the condensed milk. Oh, or evaporated milk.
http://tinyurl.com/3pgfbok
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condensed_milk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evaporated_milk
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HMS Cricket 1st December 1923
Shopping early for Christmas or New Year?
"Received 1 box of fireworks from HMS Cockchafer for passage to Shanghai"
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Based on what I've seen so far, 'c/s' seems to stand for 'cases' or
'crates', so evaporated or condensed milk would be the most likely
explanation. Thanks. :)
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HMS Ribble 3 Aug 1914 off Hong Kong:
"Lost overboard by accident pistol, Webley, 1 in No. & 1 packing case containing empty cylinders"
Not good.
Tomorrow we declare war on Germany.
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HMS Ribble:
"Alligator Is abeam"
It might have been better to write "Island" in full.
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HMS Ribble 5 Aug 1914 off Hong Kong:
"War declared between Great Britain & Germany"
What did I tell you?
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I've been close a few times but this is my first century.
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HMS Ribble
"Commodore Robert H. Anstruther C.M.G. of HMS
Tamar cautioned Mr William Margery Broom Gunner for being drunk on duty
at night in war time"
Is that the full set?
I suppose "whilst engaging the enemy" would be worse.
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Air pressure got a bit low in
December January 1917 around the Hong Kong area...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58293/ADM%2053-58293-061_0.jpg
:o
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Whole lot of sleepin' goin' on.
HMS Ribble:
"Cautioned
Mr. Sydney Sylvester, Chief Artificer Engineer for disobedience of
orders in sleeping ashore without permission being first obtained
from the Commanding Officer. "
Kept in house (presumably) because:
a. we don't know that he was drunk, and
b. he wasn't on duty.
"Don't you know there's a war on?"
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Air pressure got a bit low in December 1917 around the Hong Kong area...
Wow.
Must buy a pressure suit for use in three years time.
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Wind direction 145???????
See the morning entries.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36540/ADM%2053-36540-007_0.jpg
I only just spotted the double arrow above the columns and the N x E entry in the Revs per minute column
Clearly the log keeper wasnt properly awake at 01.00
As
there are no visible ditto marks in the revs column I will transcribe
without wind directions after the first entry, but I guess in fact he
meant that the direction was N x E all morning.
K
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I think the sea thermometer on board the Rosario is broken. For over
a week now all the sea temperatures have been 51, no matter what the
air temperature has been doing :-\
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58293/ADM%2053-58293-071_1.jpg
Still 51...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58293/ADM%2053-58293-076_0.jpg
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Has someone from the "City of London" lost a steamboat?
See the 09.30 entry
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36540/ADM%2053-36540-009_0.jpg
Diving boat commenced search for steamboat of City of London (J Davis, Gunner in charge)
I assume that it had sunk!!!
K
We are still looking 9 days later, but no report of it being found!!
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Still 51...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58293/ADM%2053-58293-081_0.jpg
Aaaaand still 51...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58293/ADM%2053-58293-083_1.jpg
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It's just getting weird now. The sea temperature has been 51 for
over a month. You'd think someone would have noticed! And we're
permanently anchored at Hong Kong, so it's not like it would be
difficult to source a replacement. ???
Ooh, maybe it's been fixed?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58293/ADM%2053-58293-092_0.jpg
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Spoke too soon, we're stuck on 54 now ;D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58293/ADM%2053-58293-094_0.jpg
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Nothing earth shattering, just interesting snippets of ship's life on the Foxglove, on Aug 4, 1922:
loading competition, water polo, Friday's Routine...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77627/ADM%2053-77627-0019_1.jpg
Kathy W.
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A bit wet!!!
HMS Cadmus is in Sandakan, which is in modern Malaysia in Jan 1918.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36540/ADM%2053-36540-015_0.jpg
There
is almost perpetual rain with r, r underlined or r double underlined on
at least 3 of the 6 entries for the last 10 days. Also lots of l and t.
I dont know how to transcribe r double underlined, so am just putting R.
K
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I dont know how to transcribe r double underlined,
You think you've got trouble. Following some "r"s, I've just encountered an "R" double underlined.
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A bit wet!!!
HMS Cadmus is in Sandakan, which is in modern Malaysia in Jan 1918.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36540/ADM%2053-36540-015_0.jpg
There
is almost perpetual rain with r, r underlined or r double underlined on
at least 3 of the 6 entries for the last 10 days. Also lots of l and t.
I dont know how to transcribe r double underlined, so am just putting R.
K
I just put r. Is that okay?
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Could this be the local name for the month of September?
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tastiger,
A bit wet!!!
HMS Cadmus is in Sandakan, which is in modern Malaysia in Jan 1918.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36540/ADM%2053-36540-015_0.jpg
There
is almost perpetual rain with r, r underlined or r double underlined on
at least 3 of the 6 entries for the last 10 days. Also lots of l and t.
I dont know how to transcribe r double underlined, so am just putting R.
K
I just put r. Is that okay?
Some notes below.
It's a bit complicated as there were two systems in use.
"We" expect the codes to be entered in lower case "r", but if it's heavy (in this case rain) it may be shown in the log as "r"
or "R" which we represent as upper case "R". (Applies equally to snow,
etc.) Some log keepers use upper case throughout in the log, which we
should represent as lower case; if they underline a letter to indicate
severe weather we then show it as upper case.
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=583.0
ASSESSING INTENSITY
We
need to differentiate between, light/weak, moderate, heavy and
violent/Severe events, such as rainfall, thunderstorms, lightning, (and
to a lesser extent with fog), fog, etc.
Weak/Light: a subscripted
suffixed 'o' is used, e.g. ro, so, do mean light rain, snow and drizzle
respectively. For very light precipitation a double 'o' may be used,
e.g. soo This, however, is non-standard.
Moderate: simple lower case letters, e.g. r, s, d, f, tl
Heavy: capital letters, e.g. R, S, D, H, F,TL
Violent/Severe: a subscripted suffixed '2' is used, following a capital letter e.g. R2 indicates torrential rain.
The same procedure is used for rain, hail, etc.
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HMS Ribble, Hong Kong
Having been cautioned for unauthorised sleeping ashore, Mr Sylvester was later discharged to hospital. Then:
"Commodore Robert H. Anstruther C.M.G. of HMS Tamar cautioned Mr Sydney Sylvester for drinking to excess thus producing illness"
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Tastiger,
The log for the 29th January is particularly
interesting with Cadmus having to reduce speed and haul in the log
because of the amount of floating debris
lgb
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A bit wet!!!
HMS Cadmus is in Sandakan, which is in modern Malaysia in Jan 1918.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36540/ADM%2053-36540-015_0.jpg
There
is almost perpetual rain with r, r underlined or r double underlined on
at least 3 of the 6 entries for the last 10 days. Also lots of l and t.
I dont know how to transcribe r double underlined, so am just putting R.
K
I just put r. Is that okay?
Tastiger,
there is more than one way to adapt our keyboards to their writing, but
changes in how they writing of codes is added weather
information.
- Simplest: r becomes R or r(underlined); the small underlined was their system, modern navies go to capitals, both adaptations are considered accurate transcription.
- Alternate: r-with-a-double-underline (I can't do that posting) becomes R2 or r(double underlined)
And I really don't want to live in a place getting 3 or more days of R2 rain! :(
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A bit wet!!!
HMS Cadmus is in Sandakan, which is in modern Malaysia in Jan 1918.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36540/ADM%2053-36540-015_0.jpg
There
is almost perpetual rain with r, r underlined or r double underlined on
at least 3 of the 6 entries for the last 10 days. Also lots of l and t.
I dont know how to transcribe r double underlined, so am just putting R.
K
I tend to write in underlined, with a gap to show what is underlined.
So abcdefg
would become abc de(underlined) fg
Similarly a b(dble underlined) c
A bit cumbersome but hopefully the information is there and not open to misinterpretation.
Sorry Bunts and Janet, I responded to Tegwen before reaching the end of the thread :-[
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Thank you all. I will go back and change as many double underlined as I can find to R2.
K
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The Rosario has got a new sea thermometer (or fixed the old one) -
sea temperatures are making much more sense now. But there was no
mention of it in the logs.
We've also got a new barometer which requires accompanying temperature readings, again no mention of this in the logs.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58293/ADM%2053-58293-154_0.jpg
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The
Rosario has got a new sea thermometer (or fixed the old one) - sea
temperatures are making much more sense now. But there was no mention of
it in the logs.
We've also got a new barometer which requires accompanying temperature readings, again no mention of this in the logs.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58293/ADM%2053-58293-154_0.jpg
That IS weird. Maybe it's the captain's mistake or something?
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A bit wet!!!
HMS Cadmus is in Sandakan, which is in modern Malaysia in Jan 1918.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36540/ADM%2053-36540-015_0.jpg
There
is almost perpetual rain with r, r underlined or r double underlined on
at least 3 of the 6 entries for the last 10 days. Also lots of l and t.
I dont know how to transcribe r double underlined, so am just putting R.
K
I just put r. Is that okay?
Tastiger,
there is more than one way to adapt our keyboards to their writing, but
changes in how they writing of codes is added weather
information.
- Simplest: r becomes R or r(underlined); the small underlined was their system, modern navies go to capitals, both adaptations are considered accurate transcription.
- Alternate: r-with-a-double-underline (I can't do that posting) becomes R2 or r(double underlined)
And I really don't want to live in a place getting 3 or more days of R2 rain! :(
Thanks,
I'll make sure to do this in the future. But I've done WAY too many
pages to go back to find the few with the mistake. Ah well.
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That's why we have 3 transcribers per page - between us, the team can figure it out.
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HMS Ribble, Hong Kong, 3 Dec 1914
"3 StBrd ratings joined ship for trial from Tamar"
Not clear whether this is for tomorrow's 20 knot speed trial or some other sort of trial.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-075_0.jpg
8:00 P.M. Held boxing competition.
Well, I suppose they had to have fun somehow.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-075_0.jpg
8:00 P.M. Held boxing competition.
Well, I suppose they had to have fun somehow.
One way of "settling scores" without getting arrested.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-075_0.jpg
8:00 P.M. Held boxing competition.
Well, I suppose they had to have fun somehow.
One way of "settling scores" without getting arrested.
Better than Russian Roulette, I suppose!
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-075_0.jpg
8:00 P.M. Held boxing competition.
Well, I suppose they had to have fun somehow.
One way of "settling scores" without getting arrested.
Better than Russian Roulette, I suppose!
;D
Less permanent. (Usually)
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-075_0.jpg
8:00 P.M. Held boxing competition.
Well, I suppose they had to have fun somehow.
One way of "settling scores" without getting arrested.
Better than Russian Roulette, I suppose!
;D
Less permanent. (Usually)
;D
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-075_0.jpg
8:00 P.M. Held boxing competition.
Well, I suppose they had to have fun somehow.
One way of "settling scores" without getting arrested.
Better than Russian Roulette, I suppose!
;D
Less permanent. (Usually)
;D
Wow!.
You're quick.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-075_0.jpg
8:00 P.M. Held boxing competition.
Well, I suppose they had to have fun somehow.
One way of "settling scores" without getting arrested.
Better than Russian Roulette, I suppose!
;D
Less permanent. (Usually)
;D
Wow!.
You're quick.
I must of caught it at the right time :)
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Left hand down a bit. Steady as you go ... and ... (at 2 knots)
"9.45 going alongside "Ark"
10.30 secured alongside "Ark" commenced coaling
1.35 completed coaling (40 tons)
1.40 slipped from alongside collier & proceeded"
Seems a hazardous enterprise.
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I was watching a series of programmes about HMS Ark Royal the other
day. They showed things like refuelling which required them to sail very
close to another ship for long periods of time, along with things like
splicing the mainbrace, gunnery exercises, and other things I've read
about in the logs. There's about a 100 year difference between the logs
and the Ark Royal, but a lot of things don't seem to have changed much!
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H'mm ... Ark & Ark Royal ...
Gotta go Doctor Who beckons.
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Another mad weather entry.
See the 04.00 entry
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53206/ADM%2053-53206-010_0.jpg
Wind Direction: "E". Fair enough
Strength: "Lt airs" Unusual but possible.
"Calm" for the weather descriptor. What??? I guess he meant to put it into the sea height column but....
I know he has only been on the ship two days since the recommissioning but this chap is just not awake.
K
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Another mad weather entry.
See the 04.00 entry
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53206/ADM%2053-53206-010_0.jpg
Wind Direction: "E". Fair enough
Strength: "Lt airs" Unusual but possible.
"Calm" for the weather descriptor. What??? I guess he meant to put it into the sea height column but....
I know he has only been on the ship two days since the recommissioning but this chap is just not awake.
K
Maybe he wanted to accent the calmness of the weather? ;)
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-090_0.jpg
Top
of the page: Captured German ship. This is my first reading of a
captured ship! One thing, though, what is a German coal ship doing near
the meditteranian?
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SS Leda is an oil tanker - a very valuable import for Germany.
I googled this, with its picture:
http://www.aukevisser.nl/german/id37.htm
Build in 1913 by Howaldtswerke AG, Kiel, as the first "Leda", for DAPG, Hamburg.
In 1914 confiscated by "HMS Suffolk" near Bermuda.
Standard Oil Co. of New Jersey is regarded with legal ownership of the tanker.
In 1914 renamed "Matinicock" for Standard Oil Co. of New Jersey .
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SS Leda is an oil tanker - a very valuable import for Germany.
I googled this, with its picture:
http://www.aukevisser.nl/german/id37.htm
Build in 1913 by Howaldtswerke AG, Kiel, as the first "Leda", for DAPG, Hamburg.
In 1914 confiscated by "HMS Suffolk" near Bermuda.
Standard Oil Co. of New Jersey is regarded with legal ownership of the tanker.
In 1914 renamed "Matinicock" for Standard Oil Co. of New Jersey .
Wow, just read history while transcribing!
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HMS Ribble.
After a successful 2 knot mobile coaling:
10.25 secured alongside collier
12.30 commenced coaling
12.55 securing hawsers carried away slipped stern hawsers & proceeded
1.15 secured alongside collier recommenced coaling
4.50 completed coaling (rec'd 88 tons)
Force 6 wind trumps 2 knot travel
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Air pressure got a bit low in December January 1917 around the Hong Kong area...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58293/ADM%2053-58293-061_0.jpg
:o
Pressure got a bit high in August 1918, also in Hong Kong...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58294/ADM%2053-58294-176_1.jpg
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From the Foxglove:
Aug. 16, 1922, at Wei Hai Wei: both
whalers left in the morning to participate in races. They returned
in the afternoon. No mention was made in the logs as to the
results.
Kathy W.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-096_1.jpg
Middle of bottom. Somebody wasn't following rules ::)
Can someone tell me why Suffolk attacked a British ship?
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I don't think they attacked, they fired south of the ship, not at
it. I think they were warning shots, because Suffolk needed the ship to
stop and be inspected, and it wasn't stopping.
I'm glad someone is working on the Suffolk - I've done a bit, but the handwriting gets me down!
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This seems like standard procedure to stop a ship that they need to inspect. Two blanks then a "shot across the bows".
They clearly werent messing about as they used one of their main 6" guns.
K
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I
don't think they attacked, they fired south of the ship, not at it. I
think they were warning shots, because Suffolk needed the ship to stop
and be inspected, and it wasn't stopping.
I'm glad someone is working on the Suffolk - I've done a bit, but the handwriting gets me down!
A bit??? You are half-way to captain (although I'm about to surpass you ;D currently at 1058 weather reports).
Yeah,
the handwriting gets me too, I end up using a ~ a lot. But I'm getting
it. I'm currently on a captain who likes ditto marks :P, can't wait
until he leaves. I just got attracted to the HMS Suffolk because it was
the lowest percentage complete when I found it (other than Raven II and
Trent, but those are non-standard). My goal is to complete the voyage
before this first stage of transcribing is done and everyone gets to it
before I can finish (oh, and to become captain. ;D A one-month
newbie becoming captain, that must not happen too often.)
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I
don't think they attacked, they fired south of the ship, not at it. I
think they were warning shots, because Suffolk needed the ship to stop
and be inspected, and it wasn't stopping.
I'm glad someone is working on the Suffolk - I've done a bit, but the handwriting gets me down!
A bit??? You are half-way to captain (although I'm about to surpass you ;D currently at 1058 weather reports).
Yeah,
the handwriting gets me too, I end up using a ~ a lot. But I'm getting
it. I'm currently on a captain who likes ditto marks :P, can't wait
until he leaves. I just got attracted to the HMS Suffolk because it was
the lowest percentage complete when I found it (other than Raven II and
Trent, but those are non-standard). My goal is to complete the voyage
before this first stage of transcribing is done and everyone gets to it
before I can finish (oh, and to become captain. ;D A one-month
newbie becoming captain, that must not happen too often.)
I've joined Teutonic for the same reason, and it's also the reason why I worked on Rosario up until about an hour ago.
Keep up the good work! :D
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I
don't think they attacked, they fired south of the ship, not at it. I
think they were warning shots, because Suffolk needed the ship to stop
and be inspected, and it wasn't stopping.
I'm glad someone is working on the Suffolk - I've done a bit, but the handwriting gets me down!
A bit??? You are half-way to captain (although I'm about to surpass you ;D currently at 1058 weather reports).
Yeah,
the handwriting gets me too, I end up using a ~ a lot. But I'm getting
it. I'm currently on a captain who likes ditto marks :P, can't wait
until he leaves. I just got attracted to the HMS Suffolk because it was
the lowest percentage complete when I found it (other than Raven II and
Trent, but those are non-standard). My goal is to complete the voyage
before this first stage of transcribing is done and everyone gets to it
before I can finish (oh, and to become captain. ;D A one-month
newbie becoming captain, that must not happen too often.)
I've joined Teutonic for the same reason, and it's also the reason why I worked on Rosario up until about an hour ago.
Keep up the good work! :D
Thanks, although I could never transcribe at the speed you do! ;D
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Full calibre Battle practice: :o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77627/ADM%2053-77627-0032_0.jpg
Kathy W.
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Unusual, in my experience, for midday to be the coolest part of the day.
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Unusual, in my experience, for midday to be the coolest part of the day.
;D ;D ;D Lol That's funny! Talk about a slip-up!
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Whirlwind ???
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Please tell me they mean a flag, and not a young officer? ;D
Lost overboard by accident: 1 white Ensign, -3 breadth
What do they mean by "breadth"?
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OK then
They mean a flag.
Although I'd have been happier with a capital W.
I don't recall the rank of "Ensign" in the Royal Navy. Are you thinking of Star Trek? After all, they have Admirals.
;)
Oops. Forgot the second bit.
How's your Math(s)?
"Ship's ensigns are supplied in the following sizes, viz:-
In breadths ranging from 20, 16, 14, 12, 10, 8, 6, 4, and so on down to a 3 breadth - the smallest.
A 20 breadth ensign measures 10 yards x 5 yards.
A 3 breadth ensign measures 1 ? yards x ? yard. "
http://www.gwpda.org/naval/s0100000.htm
For 1st "?" read "half". For 2nd "?" read three quarters.
(stupid naff program >:(
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I added that link to my private OW resource folder. Thanks. :)
Only,
those breadth numbers don't even represent any real dimension or
area! Why can't human organizations come up with labels that are logical? (Not the RN's fault, all kinds of groups do this. >:( )
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-108_1.jpg
9:00 Observed fire on shore
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Janet,
With respect ...
I've no evidence to support my
belief, but I suspect that the Royal Navy was probably the first
organisation to regularise flags. It is the Senior Service, having the
longest standing association with the monarch. Before Henry VII's 16th
century "Navy Royal" the Norman rulers and previously Saxons had an
embryo fleet. Henry VIII enlarged the fleet & Elizabeth I notably
enlarged it further. (Under Elizabeth II things have declined :'( )
Anyway ...
Within the link that I included is the following
speculation, which I had missed otherwise I wouldn't have got out the
calculator. You will see that there is a (sort of) logic.
"John Reid (katreid@earthlink.net) suggests the following formula for working out the intermediate sizes:
I
noticed that in each case, the length (or "fly") of the ensign is one
half the breadth number given the ensign, and that the width (or
"hoist") is, in turn, one half the length. If this is in reality a
formula for determining an ensign's length and width, that would give
the following
dimensions:
* A 16 ensign - 8 yards x 4 yards
* A 14 ensign - 7 yards x 3 1/2 yards
* A 12 ensign - 6 yards x 3 yards
* A 10 ensign - 5 yards x 2 1/2 yards
* A 8 ensign - - 4 yards x 2 yards
* A 6 ensign - - 3 yards x 1 1/2 yards
* A 4 ensign - - 2 yards x 1 yard "
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-108_1.jpg
9:00 Observed fire on shore
Barbecue time?
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This is one wierd combination of notes: 3rd August 1919
10.0am Discharged 1 rating sick to USS "Olympia"
12.30pm Sent picnic party to USS "Olympia"
10.0pm Picnic party returned.
That's one very long Picnic!
I do hope they could share some of their picnic with their ill shipmate. :)
ADDED: The sick rating must have gone over for surgery or something. This was on the 4th August log:
1 Rating rejoined ship from USS "Olympia"
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One of the few "celebrations" of Christmas I have seen.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53214/ADM%2053-53214-015_0.jpg
HMS
Odin is in Port Ibrahim at the south end of the Suez Canal on the 24th
of December 1917 and landed a party of Roman Catholics for Midnight
Mass.
And the following day they go again to church while the non Catholics also get a chance.
A bit of gun cleaning in between.
Then leave for the whole crew for the afternoon from 1pm to 10pm.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53214/ADM%2053-53214-015_1.jpg
The advantages of being on refit in a big port at Christmas!!!
K
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HMS Avoca - 25 Jan 1917
6:50am - Lighter with sugar alongside.
9:00am - Commenced taking in sugar.
9:40am - Finished taking in sugar.
Better things happen at sea too ;)
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where is that chocolate that went overboard - we could use it now ;D
Kathy W.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-114_0.jpg
6:30AM Commenced coaling
7:30PM Finished coaling
This is the longest coaling period I've ever heard of, and the captain felt the urge to repeat this over and over! :)
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It is a long time, but also a lot of coal. Faster than 100 tons per hour.
K
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It's all right for some >:(
"9.0 Ship's company left ship to proceed to rest camp Ceylon.
Ship laid up.
P.O. Saunders, ERA Blick & A.B. Buckley left as caretaking party."
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It's all right for some >:(
"9.0 Ship's company left ship to proceed to rest camp Ceylon.
Ship laid up.
P.O. Saunders, ERA Blick & A.B. Buckley left as caretaking party."
You are lucky it isnt Bombay. The rest camp there is Deolali and that is the place that gave us the term Doolally.
Columbo can be a bit wet though.
K
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Cadmus 28 August, 1918 - Amoy
Lost overboard by accident, one wind scoop
lgb
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H'mm ...
HMS Mantis 11 March 1917 - Baghdad
"3.50 SNO & armed party landed to hoist Union Jack at Citadel"
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5:30am: "Watch fell in rigged bath"
Apparently our log keeper didn't believe in punctuation - or perhaps he had a sense of humor
[based on later entries, he didn't believe in punctuation]
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-130_1.jpg
Noonish: Hands cleaning ship and drawing stores from Docky and.
And what? :)
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-130_1.jpg
Noonish: Hands cleaning ship and drawing stores from Docky and.
And what? :)
Looks like Dockyard to me
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Yes, I agree with Lupus - Dockyard it is.
Helen J
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Yes, I agree with Lupus - Dockyard it is.
Helen J
Oh.... Never mind :-[
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-135_0.jpg
Last entry: looks like some cold water! ;D
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Last entry: looks like some cold water!
Get some timber to reinforce the prow!
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HMS Mantis:
"Butchers hand saw lost overboard. Investigated & found lost by accident."
Jam sandwiches for tea, lads.
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Someone's got some explaining to do
10am entry:
Court of enquiry assembled on board re damaged main derrick
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45728/ADM%2053-45728-004_1.jpg
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From the Foxglove:
1010 Provision Lighter came alongside. Returned empties.
I wonder if they got their deposit back. ;D
Kathy W.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-137_0.jpg
Last barometric entry: I've seen 20's, 50's, and 90's, but never THIS. This wouldn't work in the 20's or the 30's! :)
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-139_0.jpg
Last comment entry: Lost while coaling coal sacks 22.
Looks like there'll be less coal next time! ;D
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-142_0.jpg
Bottom of page:
The ship name was so weird, even the captain couldn't write it down! ;D
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HMS Mantis:
"Port after Maxim guns crew to drill"
Port eh? Must be out of rum.
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HMS Mantis, next day:
"Maxim gun drill. Star. Fore Star After.
Port Pom Pom, Star Pom Pom"
Gun drill in waltz time?
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HMS Mantis, next day:
"Maxim gun drill. Star. Fore Star After.
Port Pom Pom, Star Pom Pom"
Gun drill in waltz time?
Reminds
me of the Dad's Army gun drill: Open two three, up two three, bang two
three, bang two three, bang two three, down two three...
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HMS Mantis, Baghdad
NW 2 b 117 82
River temp - 82 is a cool wash setting, and laundry would be dry in no time.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59376/ADM%2053-59376-018_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59376/ADM%2053-59376-019_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59376/ADM%2053-59376-019_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59376/ADM%2053-59376-020_0.jpg
Talk about wasting paper! >:( Ah well, less pages to transcribe to finish a voyage! ;)
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You have reached the end of the log book - if you keep going, you
will get the cover and then begin a new log book - sometimes, there is
some interesting info provided in the first pages of a new log book -
Kathy
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-157_0.jpg
Interesting color choice...
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Interesting color choice...
(Out of respect for your comment.)
Curious, too, that the middle of the bottom line has reverted to something approaching the previous ink.
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I'm wondering if the log keeper used a different bottle of ink or
fountain pen for that part of the log and the ink faded to that color -
sometimes black fades to a purple shade -
Kathy W.
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I'm wondering if the log keeper used a different bottle of ink or
fountain pen for that part of the log and the ink faded to that color -
sometimes black fades to a purple shade -
Fanciful but unlikely.
;D
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;D ;D ;D
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I'm
wondering if the log keeper used a different bottle of ink or fountain
pen for that part of the log and the ink faded to that color - sometimes
black fades to a purple shade -
Fanciful but unlikely.
;D
Don't you think purple ink would be just a little, I don't know, poncy (is that how it is spelled?) for the Royal Navy?
Kathy
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It looks like it might have started as blue and aged to purple?
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well, I suggested that, but Bunts seems to think that is unlikely - ;D
Kathy W.
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Actually, the purple ink continued on for quite a few pages. I
re-edit this when I find out how many. Maybe the captain's girlfriend
took over writing? ;D
Update: It's December 20th to December 25th, 1914.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-157_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-157_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-158_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-158_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-159_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-159_1.jpg
I wonder if the ink color was really a choice or something to do with fading ink?
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Maybe the captain's girlfriend took over writing? ;D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-159_1.jpg
Apart from chuckle making that comment influenced me to read:
10.15 Perfumed Divine Service
Update: It's December 20th to December 25th, 1914.
There's your answer. He got a new pen for Christmas and he's alternating them.
;)
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Update: It's December 20th to December 25th, 1914. [/color]
There's your answer. He got a new pen for Christmas and he's alternating them.
;)
I
didn't even notice it was Christmas! :-[ Oh, maybe he just had bad ink
and waited until Christmas to replace it because he knew he was getting
new ink! ;D
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HMS Mantis Baghdad:
"12.10 Anti aircraft gun crew closed up
1 - 2.40 Anti aircraft gun crew fall out, lookout maintained
1.10 Opened fire on enemy aircraft"
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HMS Mantis Baghdad:
Last 24 hours r r r R R r
That's after months and months with only one r.
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From the Foxglove: Nov. 15, 1922 -
1445 Surgeon Lieutenant Roach discharged to hospital
Do you think he had a bug?
;D
Kathy W.
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Only 3 columns out, but we know what he means
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48255/ADM%2053-48255-171_0.jpg
K
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ok - well, some of us apparently don't know what he means -
:P
Kathy W.
(Cool new avatar by the way. If you don't mind my asking, what does it signify? - K.)
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Sorry Kathy. The log keeper just put the wind direction, speed &
weather three columns to the left of where they should be for the first
three entries of the day. Ie they are in the wrong place but it is easy
to work out what he meant by them.
The avatar is a picture of my
daughter who took part in a Japanese Kabuki Play for a local drama
festival a couple of years ago. This was the poster they prepared for
the play. The only computer work was to add the Japanese text & red
background.
Tegwen is her dog.
K
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Just goes to show, the eye sees what it expects - I was reading the
text, not paying any attention to the placement ;D -
Kabuki - that is very interesting! Does she still do that sort of thing?
Kahy W.
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Thanks Kathy.
It was a truly remarkable performance done by a
junior drama group locally. While I am sure it wouldnt have passed as
anything like authentic in Japan there were Japanese people in the
audience who were very complementary.
Sadly the group never reached those heights again and she grew out of drama.
K
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It is a shame when a child stops doing or grows out of something you
think they are good at - there are things I wish my children still did -
oh well, they have to make their own way, don't they (emoticon for wistful here)
Kathy
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Double wistful emoticon in return.
K
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HMS Mantis:
"4.50 Slight outbreak of fire in W.T. office"
could be difficult to radio for fire brigade.
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Sale time in Baghdad?
"9.5 Clothing party left ship
Noon. Clothing party returned"
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Very civilised.
"5.0 Men under punishment of extra work fall in"
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Same men?
"6.0 Men under stoppage of leave fall in"
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Naughty fireman!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62725/ADM%2053-62725-008_1.jpg
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Naughty fireman!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62725/ADM%2053-62725-008_1.jpg
At least the Police were civil then
lgb
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Why are officers stripping at 1am? It really isn't warm enough for this ....
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54571/ADM%2053-54571-012_1.jpg
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Mast dancing exercise?
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Mast dancing exercise?
;D ;D What a picture ...
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Mast dancing exercise?
;D ;D What a picture ...
Reminds me of a newspaper headline I saw once...
"Navy and Coast Guard: Who Will Keep Them Straight?"
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;D
Is the word "keep" acceptable in this circumstance?
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;D
Is the word "keep" acceptable in this circumstance?
;D You'd think the editors would double-check the titles...
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61602/ADM%2053-61602-008_1.jpg
Middle of page: Served ... Xmas gifts.
April seems a little late to celebrate Christmas...
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I found this:
Just got to Christmas day 1915 - seems to have been as dull as every other day!
The poor guys from HMS Liverpool seem to have gotten their Christmas gifts only when they were in port in May...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46889/ADM%2053-46889-013_1.jpg
I am sure I read somewhere about Christmas gifts from someone in the royal family, but I couldn't find it again.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61602/ADM%2053-61602-014_1.jpg
8:00 PM Burnt search lights.
That's going to make it hard to see! :o
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61602/ADM%2053-61602-014_1.jpg
8:00 PM Burnt search lights.
That's going to make it hard to see! :o
Harder to see without setting them alight, I'd have thought! ;D
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61602/ADM%2053-61602-008_1.jpg
Middle of page: Served ... Xmas gifts.
April seems a little late to celebrate Christmas...
Not just that; Easter Day was the previous Sunday.
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I found this:
Just got to Christmas day 1915 - seems to have been as dull as every other day!
The poor guys from HMS Liverpool seem to have gotten their Christmas gifts only when they were in port in May...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46889/ADM%2053-46889-013_1.jpg
I am sure I read somewhere about Christmas gifts from someone in the royal family, but I couldn't find it again.
This, perhaps?
http://collections.iwm.org.uk/server/show/ConWebDoc.994/setPaginate/No
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This?
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=462.msg4021#msg4021
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Spot of promotion?
HMS Mantis August 1918, Baghdad.
"7.45 Ship under way.
8.0 Struck Commodore's pendant & hoisted Rear Admiral's
8.45 Anchored off G.H.Q."
Nope <Next day>
10.30 Struck R.A's pendant & hoisted Commodore's
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Spot of promotion?
HMS Mantis August 1918, Baghdad.
"7.45 Ship under way.
8.0 Struck Commodore's pendant & hoisted Rear Admiral's
8.45 Anchored off G.H.Q."
Nope <Next day>
10.30 Struck R.A's pendant & hoisted Commodore's
The RA must of done something really bad to screw up that fast! ;D
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Spot of promotion?
HMS Mantis August 1918, Baghdad.
"7.45 Ship under way.
8.0 Struck Commodore's pendant & hoisted Rear Admiral's
8.45 Anchored off G.H.Q."
Nope <Next day>
10.30 Struck R.A's pendant & hoisted Commodore's
The RA must of done something really bad to screw up that fast! ;D
;D
or
Fedex misread the address.
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I found this:
Just got to Christmas day 1915 - seems to have been as dull as every other day!
The poor guys from HMS Liverpool seem to have gotten their Christmas gifts only when they were in port in May...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46889/ADM%2053-46889-013_1.jpg
I am sure I read somewhere about Christmas gifts from someone in the royal family, but I couldn't find it again.
This, perhaps?
http://collections.iwm.org.uk/server/show/ConWebDoc.994/setPaginate/No
Thanks Bunts!
It doesn't seem to be the same article, but it is definitely what I was talking about.
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I found this:
Just got to Christmas day 1915 - seems to have been as dull as every other day!
The poor guys from HMS Liverpool seem to have gotten their Christmas gifts only when they were in port in May...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46889/ADM%2053-46889-013_1.jpg
I am sure I read somewhere about Christmas gifts from someone in the royal family, but I couldn't find it again.
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=808.msg7120#msg7120
Would this be it?
K
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61603/ADM%2053-61603-003_1.jpg
Not sure how the science team could use this...
What a lazy captain! >:(
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What's wrong with it? ???
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The temperatures are all quite low, or written in invisible ink.
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Ah, I guess I'm so used to missing information, that I don't notice it's not there when it's not there ;D
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Ah, I guess I'm so used to missing information, that I don't notice it's not there when it's not there ;D
Thankfully, this was the only day that he did this.
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Ah, I guess I'm so used to missing information, that I don't notice it's not there when it's not there ;D
Thankfully, this was the only day that he did this.
Thankfully?
Unless I'm in a super-fast rhythm with a ship, the fewer weather
readings on each line the better! Much faster for boosting yourself up
the rankings ;D
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Ah, I guess I'm so used to missing information, that I don't notice it's not there when it's not there ;D
Thankfully, this was the only day that he did this.
Thankfully?
Unless I'm in a super-fast rhythm with a ship, the fewer weather
readings on each line the better! Much faster for boosting yourself up
the rankings ;D
True, but the more data on a line, the more data for the science team.
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HMS Mantis, Baghdad, 7th Oct. 1918
Air Temperature at 4.0am is 80 degrees, so (naturally)
"Winter Routine commenced"
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61603/ADM%2053-61603-014_0.jpg
Sick list: 71
Holy crap, were they hit with the plague?!?
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61603/ADM%2053-61603-014_0.jpg
Sick list: 71
Holy crap, were they hit with the plague?!?
Nah, it's 11. The top of the 7 has been crossed out. Maybe there were 7 sick, and then 4 more came down with manflu ;D
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61603/ADM%2053-61603-014_0.jpg
Sick list: 71
Holy crap, were they hit with the plague?!?
Nah, it's 11. The top of the 7 has been crossed out. Maybe there were 7 sick, and then 4 more came down with manflu ;D
Oh... that makes more sense... :-[
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I found this:
Just got to Christmas day 1915 - seems to have been as dull as every other day!
The poor guys from HMS Liverpool seem to have gotten their Christmas gifts only when they were in port in May...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46889/ADM%2053-46889-013_1.jpg
I am sure I read somewhere about Christmas gifts from someone in the royal family, but I couldn't find it again.
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=808.msg7120#msg7120
Would this be it?
K
Yup. That is what I remembered. ? must have overlooked it on the search. THANKS.
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No names; no pack drill:
"9.0am Case of theft reported. The
number of one of missing notes known - Clear lower deck - searched ditty
boxes, all money in notes produced. Note with corresponding number
found. "
Update - no connection implied:
"11.55 A.B. Smith under open arrest"
An A.B. of the same name has recently rejoined ship from local detention. No conclusion drawn; there are a lot of Smiths about.
Further Update - Collective Punishment?
"4.30 Seamens Mess Leave stopped"
And more
"10.50 Enquiry concerning lost money"
Still more
"10.20 A.B. Smith put under close arrest"
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Just the fact that the bill number had been recorded and then traced
must have gone miles to discourage further threats! That is one very dedicated paymaster!
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On this 23rd Sep. 1919 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63339/ADM%2053-63339-030_0.jpg), we did have one log-keeper (these are
the original logs!) who really truly should have had more sleep - and
must have had a very interesting liberty. We had just left the
harbour at Malta the evening before.
First, we are going from Malta to Malta? When?
And we are advancing WHAT? :o
Too bad the team won't get full benefit of the crossed out and uncorrected stuff! ;D
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Just the fact that the bill number had been recorded
I think
it would be standard practice, irrespective of whether the numbers are
consecutive, to write in a ledger or on a docket, the number of the next
note due to be issued. I've seen this done by storekeepers for all
sorts of supplies: "Amount issued, number remaining; sign here &
close the door behind you."
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28 Sep. 1919 (http://=http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63339/ADM%2053-63339-033_1.jpg) in Constantinople - what were they doing that afternoon?
1.30 Shoved off from Blenheim.
2.0 Came to with Stb anchor & veered to 5 shackles. 3.0 Weighed.
3.20 Came to. 3.45 Weighed.
4.0 Came to with Stb Anchor.
4.45 Weighed. 5.0 Came to with Stb. anchor & veered to 4 shackles near Blenheim.
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(from #266)
At last, details:
"Warrant Read for H.H. Smith charged with stealing 105 Rupees from D. James, O.Sea.
Sentenced to 90 days detention & reduced to 2nd Class for Conduct."
Assuming
this to be one and the same Smith, he's been in the brig for four
weeks. Presumably the detention is in addition to time served.
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Some 18 months ago, Samoa changed from driving on the right hand
side of the road to driving on the left. Flushed with success ...
You know how confusing it gets when ship's clocks are altered by 20 minutes? Try it with a calendar:
http://www.morningstar.co.uk/uk/markets/newsfeeditem.aspx?id=138501958347963
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They are very brave people. The hour change is going to be no
more irritating than going onto daylight savings or summer time.
But what does that do to paychecks, eliminating a complete weekday?
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61604/ADM%2053-61604-006_0.jpg
Weather entry after Noon:
Weather Code: oMg! :D
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Strange winds at 8 AM.
Which way is it blowing? ;D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36152/ADM%2053-36152-016_0.jpg
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HMS King Alfred seems to be undergoing a re-fit.
On 25th July
1916 it went into dry dock in Gibraltar and the barometer and
thermometers were unshipped and 66 dockyardmen came on board.
26th - 81 dockyardmen on board
27th - 123 dockyardmen on board
28th - 123 dockyardmen on board
29th - 247 dockyardmen on board
30th - day off for Sunday
31st - 89 dockyardmen on board
I just wish they were a few more details on what they were all doing.
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Strange winds at 8 AM.
Which way is it blowing? ;D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36152/ADM%2053-36152-016_0.jpg
WSW (badly deformed W's)
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Thanks that's what I thought, I'll correct it.
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"3.20 Mantis Strd. bow collided with Moth Port Quarter, damaging same -
Reported to SNO by signal.
3.50 Secured to Moth."
Still friends, then.
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HMS Cricket, again,
Try as I might, I cannot see this as anything other than oRd.
Seems an odd combination to me, unless they were sequential; immediately after writing R.
Any comments?
For information: recently, "Wind Force" has been entered as " .01 " ???
He always uses upper case, so I don't think it's a huge "g", but I'll look for one.
My money is on g
The
attachment is a pdf file which I hope peoples can open simples, if not
send rude message with suggestions for another extension
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HMS Cricket, again,
Try as I might, I cannot see this as anything other than oRd.
Seems an odd combination to me, unless they were sequential; immediately after writing R.
Any comments?
For information: recently, "Wind Force" has been entered as " .01 " ???
He always uses upper case, so I don't think it's a huge "g", but I'll look for one.
My money is on g
The
attachment is a pdf file which I hope peoples can open simples, if not
send rude message with suggestions for another extension
Thanks for the input, LGB.
I was about to leap in with "Hey, the same thing happened to me!" then I noticed that it had ...
I'm feeling a little disorientated now. Must go for a lie down.
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Avoca - 24 Apr 1917 - Esquimalt
0:30am: Officers last boat returned
1:00am: Officers extra boat returned
What part of last don't they understand?
8:00am: Hands coal ship
8:30am: Potato scow alongside, marines emptying same.
1:00pm: Hands coal ship. Marines working stores from scow. Store party loading boats ashore.
Pay attention, we don't want any mixups here!
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Avoca - 24 Apr 1917 - Esquimalt
8:00am: Hands coal ship
8:30am: Potato scow alongside, marines emptying same.
1:00pm: Hands coal ship. Marines working stores from scow. Store party loading boats ashore.
Pay attention, we don't want any mixups here!
I really like baked potatoes.
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HMS Mantis has just been re-commissioned. Not sure of the extent of
any refurbishment but I'm a bit concerned that there may have been
changes to the armament:
' 8.48 Lost overboard by accident Shot, Iron, Round 2" '
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61606/ADM%2053-61606-009_0.jpg
6:00PM One boy absentee. Boy returned 7:30PM.
Somebody's in trouble. ::)
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Talk about learn something new every day - I thought ships really
fired their guns when firing salutes, but I was wrong :o:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77629/ADM%2053-77629-0112_1.jpg
previous
pages have entries for hands making saluting charges and there was one
entry before this one about hands cleaning the saluting cylinders -
which I can't find now ;D. That entry was when I learned I
had been wrong all these years ;) -
Kathy W.
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Talk
about learn something new every day - I thought ships really fired
their guns when firing salutes, but I was wrong :o:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77629/ADM%2053-77629-0112_1.jpg
previous
pages have entries for hands making saluting charges and there was one
entry before this one about hands cleaning the saluting cylinders -
which I can't find now ;D. That entry was when I learned I
had been wrong all these years ;) -
Kathy W.
Hi
Kathy. I am not sure you have posted the correct jpg. The one you have
posted is the one with the ref to Coys, but unless I am being
particularly slow there is nothing about firing salutes. They sent a
landing party for drill, but no record of a salute.
K
PS
I notice the name of the French ship. I didnt realise they had computer
languages in 1923, or perhaps the language was named after the ship!!!
K
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lol - the French are always cutting edge ;D
The ship
did not fire a salute on that day, rather, according to the 1400 entry, 2
hands are refilling the saluting cylinders - being boy scouts ;D
(and correcting my assumption regarding salutes!)
That jpeg got to serve double duty ;)
Kathy W.
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My apologies, I was being particularly slow!!!
DOH!!!!
But
you are right. I too always assumed that they fired blanks from their
normal guns. We know that most ships carried blanks as they use them for
signalling for a ship to stop before firing a real shot across the
bows.
K
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I saw an antique signal cannon sold on a History Channel show "Pawn
Stars". It was about the size of a large coffee mug, but black and
somewhat dirty. (See first attachment.)
And when I was
searching for a picture of it, I found another kind of antique signal
cannon for sale online. Judging by the given size, they were all
very tiny. (See second attachment.)
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That first pic. looks suspiciously like the removable chamber from an early breech loading cannon.
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After several days of pottering around Arkhangel (on HMS Mantis) suddenly:
"7.00 Sight small sailing vessel.
8.00 proc'd to close sailing vessel
8.30 Sent Armed party to inspect vessel
8.35 anchored
9.00 Armed part returned with one man
9.30 Sent man back to sailing vessel "
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That first pic. looks suspiciously like the removable chamber from an early breech loading cannon.
The
TV show I saw, the pawn shop owners refused to sell any firearm unless
they KNEW it worked - so they took it out to a firing range with a
firearms expert, who put black powder in it and fired it - straight
up! You really always want only smoke-or-noise signals coming out of that thing, or the cannon ball might fall down right on your head! ;D
It did indeed work, and was plenty noisy. 8)
After several days of pottering around Arkhangel (on HMS Mantis) suddenly:
"7.00 Sight small sailing vessel.
...
9.00 Armed part returned with one man
9.30 Sent man back to sailing vessel "
Makes
you wonder if they were suspicious of him, or if he turned out to be a
friend of your captain who just wanted to visit! ::)
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That first pic. looks suspiciously like the removable chamber from an early breech loading cannon.
The
TV show I saw, the pawn shop owners refused to sell any firearm unless
they KNEW it worked - so they took it out to a firing range with a
firearms expert, who put black powder in it and fired it - straight
up! You really always want only smoke-or-noise signals coming out of that thing, or the cannon ball might fall down right on your head! ;D
It did indeed work, and was plenty noisy. 8)
The fact that it COULD be used by itself doesn't guarantee that it wasn't meant to work as part of somethingelse ;D
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Truth.
But the fire-arms expert was very clear about saying
when in the British Navy they looked like that, and where on the ship
they'd be used. I just didn't memorize all that interesting data.
::)
Not but what some creative person, having their fancy signal
cannon "lost overboard by an idiot", might not have created it that way
in the beginning to get out of a crunch. After the thought was out
there, it would have taken much less retooling in the cannon factory.
;D
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;D
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Read and :'(
HMS Mantis:
"4.10 Hands provisioning ship * One 50 lb Box of Chocolates lost overboard by accident"
50 lb Box of Chocolates - that's nearly one fortieth of a ton. :o
Ship's complement is around 48.
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why is it always the chocolate that suffers? :'(
Kathy W.
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Lobster cupboard ???
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I wonder if that is like a pie safe? :P
Kathy W.
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HMS Mantis, near Arkhangel:
"1.15 Co. & speed as required by pilot
2.43 struck rock, port side for'd
Position Off buoy at Volrova of Verst Mark
Ship leaking between 15 & 24 bulkheads & at 46 Station
2.45 Out collision mats
4.30 Tea "
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The "Tea" must have been badly needed to sooth smashed nerves. :o
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It doesn't say whether the pilot got a cuppa.
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HMS Mantis, near Arkhangel:
"1.15 Co. & speed as required by pilot
2.43 struck rock, port side for'd
Position Off buoy at Volrova of Verst Mark
Ship leaking between 15 & 24 bulkheads & at 46 Station
2.45 Out collision mats
4.30 Tea "
For
some time I have been following ships in the Hong Kong, Shanghai,
Ningpo region but I have to come across any reference to Captain Seagoon
although a recent trip along the Min River suggests that I won't have
to wait long.
The poor Pilot reminded me a some lines while the crew were sailing a jail across the Channel,
Eccles Land ahead
Sound Effect Crunch
Eccles I should have said that sooner shouldn't I
lgb
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For
some time I have been following ships in the Hong Kong, Shanghai,
Ningpo region but I have to come across any reference to Captain Seagoon
although a recent trip along the Min River suggests that I won't have
to wait long.
The poor Pilot reminded me a some lines while the crew were sailing a jail across the Channel,
Eccles Land ahead
Sound Effect Crunch
Eccles I should have said that sooner shouldn't I
lgb
;D
The Min River, eh?
Please tell me it flows into the Henryyyyy! Delta.
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HMS Mantis (a week later) heading home, having stopped to pump out the bilges:
"1.35 Picked up two pilots"
Safety in numbers?
Shortly after that we find a force 7 wind.
Repairs seem to be holding ...
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61609/ADM%2053-61609-005_1.jpg
Location: Bermuda Halifax
Looks like this person forgot how cold it was! ;D
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61609/ADM%2053-61609-005_1.jpg
Location: Bermuda Halifax
Looks like this person forgot how cold it was! ;D
Are
you able to transcribe and show the strikeout? I have not figured
out a way to do that, so usually end up adding an extra Event/Other
note.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61609/ADM%2053-61609-005_1.jpg
Location: Bermuda Halifax
Looks like this person forgot how cold it was! ;D
Are
you able to transcribe and show the strikeout? I have not figured
out a way to do that, so usually end up adding an extra Event/Other
note.
I don't think so, and I didn't know I should of marked that in the event/other tab... :-[
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Bermuda
Doesn't show in the transcription as struck through text, but it would indicate the intention.
Better to await a definitive response from the PTB, though.
RATS >:(
Open square bracket - [
type s
close square bracket - ]
Type Bermuda
Open square bracket - [
type /s
close square bracket - ]
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But are you actually able to use the strikeout key (above) in the
transcriptions (as opposed to the forum)? I have not figured out a
way to do so.
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Just in case you don't see my modified post, it's here:
Bermuda
Doesn't show in the transcription as struck through text, but it would indicate the intention.
Better to await a definitive response from the PTB, though.
RATS >:(
Open square bracket - [
type s
close square bracket - ]
Type Bermuda
Open square bracket - [
type /s
close square bracket - ]
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Having said that, I would just show the corrected particular. :)
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Ah, now I see the modified post. Sorry to be such a troublemaker. ;D
C.
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Bluebell's log, 27 February 1921:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-71517/ADM%2053-71517-016_1.jpg
The
Bluebell, at least for January and February 1921, may well be the
most boring ship in the fleet. The log keeper doesn't note much of
interest. They go through the usual routine every day give special
leave to the watch (daily, so what makes it special?), routinely
exercise the fire stations, and generally exercise the sea boats.
Today,
however, they "lost by accident, one red ensign." Which I learned
was not a very embarrassed sailor, of fair coloring, but rather, a red
flag. At last, something interesting. :D
...
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Sorry to be such a troublemaker.
I've got a wife and daughter. You are no trouble, by comparison, and you pay attention.
They go through the usual routine every day give special leave to the watch (daily, so what makes it special?)
Well,
as I understand it, the crew is divided into 2 watches, Port &
Starbord and they alternate; 4 hours on duty, 4 hours off. If all the
work is done the skipper may excuse half of the duty watch for leave
making it "special" as it's in addition to their usual time off. There
are the "dog watches": 2 hours each, First DW from 4.00 pm Second DW
from 6.00. This has the effect of changing the on duty times each day.
The Bluebell, at least for January and February 1921, may well be the most boring ship in the fleet.
That may well be but she's just delivered water & provisions to HMS Mantis at Bizerta; so thank you.
lost by accident, one red ensign.
Ah,
the old "Red Duster". Originally the Royal Navy flag, but now the flag
of the "Merchant Navy", available to be flown by any British registered
ship or British owned boat. Not to be confused with the Royal Navy's
White Ensign.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Ensign
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Ensign
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As usual, a hearty thank you, Bunts, for the back story about various nautical things! :D
I am happy to hear that my ship has provided the Mantis with provisions. You are most kindly welcome!
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The @ symbol is supposed to have ancient origins, but this is the first time I noticed it in a log book.
Avoca: Weighed + proceeded @ 60 revs
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34558/ADM%2053-34558-010_0.jpg (8:30am)
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The @ symbol is supposed to have ancient origins, but this is the first time I noticed it in a log book.
Avoca: Weighed + proceeded @ 60 revs
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34558/ADM%2053-34558-010_0.jpg (8:30am)
Ooh.
Thank you. I hadn't really thought about it since my mother told me,
more than half a century ago, what the funny squiggle key on her
typewriter meant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At_sign
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47717/ADM%2053-47717-007_0.jpg
"7.17 *symbol for moon* rose"
I suppose it was a particularly beautiful moonrise or something.
EDIT
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47717/ADM%2053-47717-009_1.jpg
And 5 days later:
"*symbol for moon* rose at 10.47"
The moon symbols differ. I wonder if the logkeeper is indicating the phase and wax/wane of the moon.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47717/ADM%2053-47717-011_0.jpg
Last AM remark: "Party removing flour from Main Deck"
It might say "floor," but that would be just as odd.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47717/ADM%2053-47717-007_0.jpg
"7.17 *symbol for moon* rose"
I suppose it was a particularly beautiful moonrise or something.
EDIT
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47717/ADM%2053-47717-009_1.jpg
And 5 days later:
"*symbol for moon* rose at 10.47"
The moon symbols differ. I wonder if the logkeeper is indicating the phase and wax/wane of the moon.
I'm sure that's it. Although according to the following, the 8th was full moon and the 13th was heading for the 3rd quarter:
http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/moonphases.html?year=1917&n=0
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47717/ADM%2053-47717-011_0.jpg
Last AM remark: "Party removing flour from Main Deck"
It might say "floor," but that would be just as odd.
I
think it is "flour". He doesn't always close the top of an "o" but his
link to the next letter runs from the top of the letter or close to the
top. His "u", & also "a", have links running from the base.
Has there been a receipt or delivery of provisions in the last couple of days?
It does say "removing" rather than "cleaning" so it could be in containers.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47718/ADM%2053-47718-012_0.jpg
"8.15 Man overboard - Rescued"
Rather nonchalant about it.
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Here's another: Steam @ 1/2 hrs notice.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61611/ADM%2053-61611-004_0.jpg
Near-center of page: Served chocolate.
Yum!
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61611/ADM%2053-61611-004_0.jpg
Near-center of page: Served chocolate.
Yum!
I WANT SOME TOO :'(
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well, there goes the last bit of Easter candy -
;D
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I'm on HMS Constance at the moment in harbor at Bermuda. We
were in floating dock for most of two weeks, and have been flooded with
dockyard workmen onboard every week day for the last month - this week
included.
At 10am last Wednesday
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38470/ADM%2053-38470-050_0.jpg),
this was entered in the log: "Hands employed drawing stores & as
req."
And I thought, "Good - we are getting ready to go back to sea." (Foolish me!)
Now
on Monday at 10am
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38470/ADM%2053-38470-052_1.jpg),
this was in the log: "Hands employed returning stores & as
req."
And I thought, "Ahhh shucks! something went wrong and we're staying put a while."
And then, same day, at 2pm, this was recorded: "Hands employed drawing stores & as req."
Have they replaced scraping and painting with drawing and returning? :-\
Maybe the captain got bored. :D
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The Reason Why ...
HMS Mantis, Shanghai, 1920:
Yesterday:
"Hands fell in, employed as neccessary"
Today:
"Hands fell in, employed as requisite."
It saves writing an extra letter, unless you spell "necessary" correctly.
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HMS Mantis, in Colombo, had a prang on the port bow that re-arranged
some of the plating. She spent several days in and out of dry dock.
Then she set sail for Shanghai and had a daily exercise of pumping out
forward compartments. We then had several weeks of "No instruments on
board" >:( with visits to dry dock. Then we left dry dock and
began "preparing for sea", whereupon some dozy Chinese steamer collected
our stern and carried away the mooring lines and attachments, so back
to the dry dock. for a couple of weeks. Afterwards, when testing
anchoring manoeuvres "something" fouled the hawespipe which occasioned
"Ship's departure delayed" for another couple of days.
We've now completed a day's sailing. Nary a mention of pumping.
This put me in mind of what I had thought a mythical tale; but apparently not:
HMS ST Kitts in the 1950's in 2002
Written by peter Thrower
"the
5th flotilla, 7 ships doing an A sweep,7 wire cables from stern to
stern to cut up some mines, anyway all of a sudden the next ship headed
straight for us hit us amid ships, our skipper shouted over the loud
hailer to the offending ship , If you touch me there again I shall
scream. Anyway the hole it made was above the water line, we all thought
we were going back to harbour for repairs, and a run ashore, O'h no
covered it with canvas painted it grey & carried on with the
exercise.
another time on the same ship, I was down in the
steering gear compartment, checking temeratures etc, when all of a
sudden a hell of a bang, our skipper had got a school of fish on the
radar and dropped several depth charges, we had enough fish which were
stunned to do the whole crew of 250 fish and chips. So hows that me
hearty's Peter."
http://military-genealogy.forcesreunited.org.uk/1594/HMS_St_Kitts
And another (almost certainly mythical):
Flag officer Gibraltar:
Small round object sighted 180 degrees, 5 miles from Europapoint. Probably mine.
Flag officer force H:
Certainly not mine.
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Poor Mantis! But thanks for a good laugh!
Maybe someone should be sent to driving school? ::)
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Never mind "Poor Mantis"!
What about me? Page after page after ... and no recognition. >:(
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The fate of all transcribers!
Trust me, the forum recognizes and loves you. :-*
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This is either poor spelling by the log keeper or a mondegreen by me.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53566/ADM%2053-53566-015_1.jpg
See the 12.00 entry and the 10.8 to 11.36pm entries.
I read them as "Stopped for enjine requirements", "Port enjine. Stop for enjineers purposes."
Am I being stupid or can he not spell engine?
K
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No, he doesn't seem to be able to spell. The interesting thing
is that he has carefully dotted the j and the i in enjineer but hasn't
dotted the i in ship. Very odd.
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There are very clearly 2 letters that are dotted in all 3 entries. That poor soul was definitely writing "enjines"!
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Thanks Guys
I am pleased that I am not cracking up, or at
least that the cracks are not showing themselves in this particular
manifestation!!
K
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The fate of all transcribers!
Trust me, the forum recognizes and loves you. :-*
:-[ Aw, shucks! Thank you, Ma'am.
Mantis has moved to Nanking but they're still out to get her:
"6.0 Raft jammed across stem. Hands employed clearing raft. 6.45 Raft cleared."
I bet the hands called it something worse than a "pile of Junk".
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Busy day on the Foxglove -
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77629/ADM%2053-77629-0082_0.jpg
Shooting Venus, performing ceremonies, and stopping at the 7-11 for a Big Gulp - ;D
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Odd ceremony. What is the "customary ceremony for crossing the
line," I wonder. It looks like they stayed just south of the
equator, so I wonder what "line" they're referring to. Maybe they
poked their noses just north of it for a minute or two.
Travis
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Travis,
Yep it's the Equator:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line-crossing_ceremony
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Learn something new every day.
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Another spelling mistake!
HMS Mantis July 1917.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48256/ADM%2053-48256-052_1.jpg
See the 9.5 Entry. "Tide up at oil barge."
I blame the heat. Only 112 today but it was 117 a few days ago.
Enough to affect anyone's spelling.
K
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HMS Mantis:
"10.0 Observed steamer aground near Willes Island Lower Lightship"
Before you ask; no it's not HMS Moth.
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Next day:
"6.30 Japanese steamer SS Chihaya Maru reported that she was aground & in need of assistance.
6.45 Lowered skiff & took soundings round steamer.
7.0 proc'd to take steamer in tow
9.30 Passed towing hawser
9.45 Slipped hawser
10.0 Anchored
11.0 Embarked 1 passenger from steamer. Proc'd up river."
Two good deeds for the day, and no adverse consequence for the Mantis. 8)
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Macedonia, April 12, 1917:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47720/ADM%2053-47720-009_0.jpg
"4.15 Ship touched bottom aft soundings taken
6.0 Engines as required worked ship clear of bank. 6.30 all clear aft
...
10.0 Ship came (?) to swing stern to breakwater + stopped on mud, soundings 20 ft
...
2.35 Clear of channel stopped ship + discharged pilot"
Sounds like they were lucky to be rid of this particular pilot.
Also:
"10.0 Pt Moore RMLI placed under arrest"
I
get the feeling that Macedonia's crew is just itching for something
interesting to happen. Arrests have been pretty frequent
lately. I'd have to go back and review the logs to get the exact
numbers, but it's probably at least 6 in the last 2 months or so.
Travis
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62430/ADM%2053-62430-012_0.jpg
6:00 PM weather entries. Someone got a little distracted!
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Now this one
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38470/ADM%2053-38470-070_1.jpg)
has a story behind it - makes one wish the logkeeper was a bit
chattier. :o
"Barge's cover burned & destroyed by accident"
Mind
you, they've been doing lots of gun exercises and director excercises
that day, but nowhere is there any mention of inderacting with any
barge.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47720/ADM%2053-47720-017_1.jpg
The science team has to love this, and it does wonders for my ranking, but 33 weather reports on one page is just neurotic.
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Neurotic watching of a bad storm heading into a full gale. I
know the climatologists will, and their copyist (no one could have
recorded that neatly in the original storm!) makes very beautiful art in
his anchors.
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I'm sure the storm itself was more impressive than "8 oqr" is to me
while I'm sitting comfortably inland typing on my computer. :)
This particular log keeper likes making a weather entry every hour at
least, even on days with good weather, so a big dangerous storm must
have had him looking for extra room on the page to squeeze in more
reports.
Travis
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47721/ADM%2053-47721-003_1.jpg
Over the past few log pages, there has been a sudden interest in the temperature inside the ship's cells:
3am: "Rounds correct (Temp cells 65 degrees)"
6am: "Rounds correct 6 prisoners + 1 man under close arrest Temp 67 degrees"
10pm: "Temp cells 64 degrees"
This is the first I've seen this. I wonder why the sudden interest.
Travis
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others have notated similar actions - they must have prisoners in the cells and are watching for heat stroke, etc.
Kathy
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Yep.
Under English law, imprisonment is "as" punishment, not "for" punishment. So conditions are expected to be humane.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47721/ADM%2053-47721-007_0.jpg
Around 3:30pm: "Lost overboard 3 large hazelwood fenders whilst storing ships"
Hazelwood fenders..?
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If I recall correctly, a fender is something used to keep the ship
from bumping into something else - keeps the paint job fresh - ;D
I
always assumed they, the fenders, where made of some sort of springy
substance - you can see tires on some ships or plastic barrels - I guess
His Majesty's Royal Navy uses a classier sort of material.
Kathy W.
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If
I recall correctly, a fender is something used to keep the ship from
bumping into something else - keeps the paint job fresh - ;D
I
always assumed they, the fenders, where made of some sort of springy
substance - you can see tires on some ships or plastic barrels - I guess
His Majesty's Royal Navy uses a classier sort of material.
Kathy W.
Yep.
There was not a ready supply of used tyres during WW1, and plastic was even scarcer. ;)
Fenders
were often made of (knotted) rope wrapped up into roughly "traditional"
bee-hive shape. Coppiced hazel wands are a flexible form of wood and
were used for weaving into baskets, lobster pots ... renewable resource.
Probably quicker to weave than to coil up yards of old rope, and
wouldn't retain so much water if they got wet.
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A visit By King Neptune (my first).
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36156/ADM%2053-36156-006_0.jpg
Is it valid for us transcribers or have we to be physically at the ceremony? ;D
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Is it valid for us transcribers or have we to be physically at the ceremony?
Let us have your address and we'll wait outside for you with buckets of salty water. ;D
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Plucky Destroyer Crew Rescues Battleship.
HMS Ribble Malta, July 1915.
"1.45 French battleship, France, observed to be on fire amidships.
Sent fire party on board her.
4.30 Fire party returned"
French toast, anyone?
Update
The following morning her sister ship, Paris, arrived.
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Congratulations on your new command - HMS ~~~~
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Nothing like a little variety: Hands employed cleaning ship of snow.
(Avoca is in Esquimalt B.C. Feb 1917)
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Is it valid for us transcribers or have we to be physically at the ceremony?
Let us have your address and we'll wait outside for you with buckets of salty water. ;D
Now Bunts, we've talked about this. If you keep warning them it ruins the surprise.
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Is it valid for us transcribers or have we to be physically at the ceremony?
Let us have your address and we'll wait outside for you with buckets of salty water. ;D
Now Bunts, we've talked about this. If you keep warning them it ruins the surprise.
Sorry, again.
I just wanted to get a working party together; or to get her.
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Congratulations on your new command - HMS ~~~~
Several
weeks after the departure of Lt. Cmdr. Wilkinson to his new command,
HMS Ribble starts a new log book. Attached is the certification of its
authenticity bearing the signature of ...
I wonder, therefore, whether the log is valid and should be transcribed or if it is a work of fiction.
Is this a paradox or merely a quandary?
I note that the date above the Commander's signature is written by a different hand.
Naughty.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47722/ADM%2053-47722-010_1.jpg
Around 10:30am: "Party with torpedo Lieut experimenting with depth charges"
Sounds
like the type of experimenting I would have loved to do as a
teenager. "Wait! I have an idea! Let's put a bucket of
paint on top of the next one before we set it off. It'll be awesome!"
Travis
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Today I learned what happens when you have a whole bunch of guys
stuck on a ship for a really tedious cruise with little chance for
recreation for most of the last year, then the ship goes to Rio dry
dock. The first few days (ship's still in dry dock) had:
Day 1: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47722/ADM%2053-47722-013_1.jpg
8 men under arrest
36 absentees
7 more men under arrest
Day 2: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47722/ADM%2053-47722-014_0.jpg
22 absentees
Day 3: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47722/ADM%2053-47722-014_1.jpg
Two more under arrest
One death by drowning
Day 4: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47722/ADM%2053-47722-015_0.jpg
24 absentees
I can only imagine what these guys are doing that so many are getting back to the ship late.
Travis
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In Rio, no less. It's not as if they never party hard there. ;D
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Right. I'm sure these guys would be partying hard wherever
they stopped after the year they've had, even if it was, say, rural Nova
Scotia, but Rio just makes it that much easier.
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Law of Unintended Consequences.
Two posts from separate
threads appearing consecutively in "View the most recent posts" and
suggesting something entirely different:
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Congratulations on your new command - HMS ~~~~
Several
weeks after the departure of Lt. Cmdr. Wilkinson to his new command,
HMS Ribble starts a new log book. Attached is the certification of its
authenticity bearing the signature of ...
I wonder, therefore, whether the log is valid and should be transcribed or if it is a work of fiction.
Is this a paradox or merely a quandary?
I note that the date above the Commander's signature is written by a different hand.
Naughty.
Ooops.
Update on posts #362 & #366:
I should have known better than to question the Royal Navy's procedures.
Cmdr Wilkinson has returned to command before the end of the log book. I wonder what happened to his temporary command?
I'll have a large slice of humble pie, please, with wormwood and gall sauce.
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Law of Unintended Consequences.
Two
posts from separate threads appearing consecutively in "View the most
recent posts" and suggesting something entirely different:
;D
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HMS Ribble, Mediterranean, Oct. 1915
"2.0 Full speed astern to avoid French destroyer patrol"
I've driven around the Arc de Triomphe so I know how he feels.
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Weather combination that I hadn't previously encountered, nor considered.
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Calm, 0, overcast?
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It's just the apparent repetition.
O-o and the spare 0 for state of the sea.
I
once got four of a kind in temperatures (barometer, air, wet bulb &
sea) just after someone someone else had reported a similar set. I
wasn't happy.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63331/ADM%2053-63331-028_1.jpg
I've heard of missing data, but this is ridiculous!
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Avoca - 17 Mar 1917
10:00am Crew photographed.
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Avoca - 17 Mar 1917
10:00am Crew photographed.
Dang, wish we could find that photo!
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Naughty Captain!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-75885/ADM53-75885-176_0.jpg
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Naughty Captain!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-75885/ADM53-75885-176_0.jpg
Trust that the next entry is unrelated
lgb
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Naughty Captain!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-75885/ADM53-75885-176_0.jpg
;D
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47723/ADM%2053-47723-005_0.jpg
Macedonia, 4th July 1917, Rio de Janeiro, a day of ceremonial pomp:
"0.30 Brazilian President arrived onboard American flagship
1.15 Officers with party left ship for parade"
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HMS Ribble, Gallipoli, Dec. 1925
"1.30 - 2.30 Gun behind Yeni Shehr (12 pdr?) fired 8 rounds at destroyers. Very bad shooting."
Tempting Providence?
Which
reminds me. In a few books, I've seen reference to the "sailors'
grace". Before commencing an engagement the crew was alleged to have
said: "For what we are about to receive, may the Lord make us truly
thankful". Presumably hoping for small helpings.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61859/ADM%2053-61859-005_0.jpg
Doesn't sound very good!
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Colombo gets a plate in Colombo...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38226/ADM%2053-38226-158_1.jpg
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38226/ADM%2053-38226-162_0.jpg
We've got ladies of Ceylon and mental cases from Foxglove - it's all happening on the Colombo!
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47723/ADM%2053-47723-010_0.jpg
"10.55 Observed a white object (apparently a piece of lave 2ft x 1ft floating lightly) 1 cable east"
I guess when you're worried about submarine attacks, any small object near the surface would be cause for alarm.
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I have got to wonder just what that rating did - both an S.A. company AND a RMLI detachment as an escort!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67182/ADM%2053-67182-007_1.jpg
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47723/ADM%2053-47723-012_1.jpg
Around 5:00pm
"Pin of 464 shackle lost by accident whilst coaling"
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I've seen the enemy! For the first time!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37186/ADM%2053-37186-006_0.jpg
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HMS Ribble, Jan 1916:
"2.0 Examining coast of Kara Burun Pen'la.
2.30 Opened fire on Camel convoy
3.15 Ceased fire, commenced patrol"
I don't much like camels, either, but ...
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47723/ADM%2053-47723-018_0.jpg
"0.45 Discovered P Log rotator line + governor lost"
Macedonia: d00m3d.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47724/ADM%2053-47724-005_0.jpg
"1.45 Passed a shoal of whales"
Seems
that "shoal of whales" is an acceptable way to refer to a group of
whales (http://www.englishclub.com/vocabulary/animal-terms.htm).
Who knew.
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I always liked an exaltation of larks and a murder of crows -
;D
Kathy W.
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I've always been partial to a kindle of kittens. ;D
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I prefer "pile of kittens" myself.
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A charm of finches and a train of camels (see Bunts' above entry ;D)
Kathy W.
(a mob of OWers? A riot of OWers? An annoyance of OWers? - from my family ;D)
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First court martial I've seen. No idea (yet) how it turned out.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47724/ADM%2053-47724-008_1.jpg
"9.0 Capt + officers left ship for HMS Princess to attend courtmartial of Sub Lieut MacLean"
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Seems that "shoal of whales" is an acceptable way to refer to a group of whales
Who knew.
Not me. School of whales.
I
heard that Douglas Adams was responsible for introducing the word "pod"
for a group of dolphins, but I'm not sure who reported it.
According to http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pod it's been associated with whales for some time:
"of sperm whales, 1840; of whales, 1898;"
Possible inspiration:
http://www.ehow.com/about_4617231_group-whales-called_.html
It
is unknown just why the term "pod" began being used for a group of
whales or dolphins. The word "pod" has been in English since 1680 or
1690 and referred to long seed holders that many plants grow. One theory
is that, because of how a pod of whales swim together, they looked like
peas in a pod to English and American whalers. But the actual reason
why the word "pod" became associated with whales has been lost in time.
School has been the accepted term of a group of fish for centuries and
whales were once thought to be fish, so sometimes they were given the
same term "school" as a group of fish. Some whalers called a pod of over
a dozen animals a "school" and those under a dozen a "pod."
"And what" I hear you cry "did they call a group of exactly 12?"
Probably a dozen.
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Forgot to mention:
Parliament of owls.
Parliament of rooks.
One quiet and apparently attentive; the other raucous and seemingly random.
You pays yer money an' takes yer choices.
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Weather codes? Nah, far too clinical. Mr Carrigan Head Log Keeper Man much prefers a narrative of the weather.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37186/ADM%2053-37186-014_1.jpg
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Midnight feast!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37186/ADM%2053-37186-015_0.jpg
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Going into Dry Dock:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34553/ADM%2053-34553-017_1.jpg
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47725/ADM%2053-47725-003_1.jpg
"Ship recomissioning"
Does
this mean a whole new crew? Definitely means a new log keeper
with much fancier handwriting and less interest in recording the same
weather report 24 times a day.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47725/ADM%2053-47725-009_1.jpg
Around 5:00pm: "Lost overboard by accident 1 drill cartridge B.7 6 inches"
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yep- periodically a ship would get a whole new crew - I'm not sure
about the interval on average - it happened at the end of 1920 for the
Foxglove, however, the Foxglove got a new Captain in June of 1922 or
1923 (I can't remember now when ;D ), which did not involve a crew
replacement.
Kathy W.
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It feels so weird to have only 6 weather reports per page. I
do 10 log pages and only get 60 weather reports instead of 240?!
OTOH, I can now do more than 15-20 pages a day.
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Brake failure.
HMS Ribble, Malta, April 1916
"11.45 Berberie arr'd, sec'd to 1 & 1A buoys. Rammed stern damaging rudder guard"
I
feel sorry for the matelot guarding the rudder. I'd have thought it was
not a hazardous task; hope he wasn't permanently damaged. ;D
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Oh! Oh! :o
Hands employed baling water from Galley.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47726/ADM%2053-47726-017_1.jpg
3pm: "Leave for boys"
Odd "leave" statement.
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Looking for the name of a lighthouse, I found these photos of a curious, perhaps precarious, lighthouse.
http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/lighthouse/photos/Greece/TourlitisGRCE.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25034389@N05/2453040408/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/antonf/366850267/
http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/lighthouse/grce.htm
Tourlitis (Turlitis, ?ndros Ch?ra)
1887. Active; focal plane 19 m (62 ft); two white flashes every
15 s. 7 m (23 ft) round stone tower with lantern and gallery. The
lighthouse is unpainted white stone; lantern painted white. A photo by
Giorgos Vintzileos is at right, a 2008 photo and is available, Anton Flo
has a more distant view, and Google has a satellite view. This location
of this lighthouse, perched on an isolated rock, is unique among Greek
lighthouses. There are no keeper's quarters; stairs cut into the rock
lead down to a crude landing site. Since ?ndros Ch?ra is a frequent stop
for cruise ships, photos of the lighthouse are fairly common. Located
on a rock in the harbor of ?ndros Ch?ra. Accessible only by boat. Site
and tower closed. ARLHS GRE-127; Admiralty E4334; NGA 15680.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47727/ADM%2053-47727-017_0.jpg
"5.0
Whilst transferring stores for "Amethyst" from SS Spilsby to
"Macedonia," 3.5 cases of condensed milk & 5 bags of grain were lost
owing to the ranging of the "Spilsby""
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Looking for the name of a lighthouse, I found these photos of a curious, perhaps precarious, lighthouse.
http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/lighthouse/photos/Greece/TourlitisGRCE.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25034389@N05/2453040408/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/antonf/366850267/
http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/lighthouse/grce.htm
Tourlitis (Turlitis, ?ndros Ch?ra)
1887. Active; focal plane 19 m (62 ft); two white flashes every
15 s. 7 m (23 ft) round stone tower with lantern and gallery. The
lighthouse is unpainted white stone; lantern painted white. A photo by
Giorgos Vintzileos is at right, a 2008 photo and is available, Anton Flo
has a more distant view, and Google has a satellite view. This location
of this lighthouse, perched on an isolated rock, is unique among Greek
lighthouses. There are no keeper's quarters; stairs cut into the rock
lead down to a crude landing site. Since ?ndros Ch?ra is a frequent stop
for cruise ships, photos of the lighthouse are fairly common. Located
on a rock in the harbor of ?ndros Ch?ra. Accessible only by boat. Site
and tower closed. ARLHS GRE-127; Admiralty E4334; NGA 15680.
WOW1
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47728/ADM%2053-47728-007_1.jpg
"7.50 Stopped owing to breakdown in steering"
Not
a good thing to happen in the middle of the Atlantic during a war
unless you happen to be pointed straight at a friendly port. Must
have been fixed pretty quickly, though, since there's no other mention
of it.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53228/ADM%2053-53228-005_0.jpg
Pressure at midnight 30014. Unlikely!!!
K
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HMS Ribble, Aegean, Aug. 1916
Three destroyers having been
trundling all morning, line ahead, between a monitor and the enemy,
loosed off a few dozen rounds, then escorted the monitor to safety; and
then ...
Tally ho!
"11.40 Proc'd with Wear & Colne Line abreast.
2.20 Inc'd to 20 kts
2.30 Commenced full power trial
3.0 Full power trial completed. Red to 15 kts. Formed line ahead. "
These trials do have to be done!
Boys and their toys.
Bet they enjoyed that.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53228/ADM%2053-53228-005_0.jpg
Pressure at midnight 30014. Unlikely!!!
K
Moonshine?
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47726/ADM%2053-47726-017_1.jpg
3pm: "Leave for boys"
Odd "leave" statement.
You may have already discovered it for yourself by now, but boys (young men) served on many ships.
At
the time of WW1, Boys could be taken on as young as 14. Don't forget
the school leaving age in the UK was that until some years after WW2.
Also the youngest Victoria Cross winner was Boy Cornwall at the Battle
of Jutland. He was just 15 and a national hero.
Contrary to all
our fears for youngsters these days, I get the impression they were well
cared for - tough and strictly disciplined yes, but fairly, and
probably free, in all but the most exceptional cases of real abuse. I
posted a link in one of the forum about naval court martials in the
First World War. I don't recollect seeing any cases of Boys being
abused.
If anyone finds evidence to the contrary, I'd like to know about it.
Thanks. Gordon
Also, I believe it is mentioned elsewhere that they did attend school at least on some ships.
Boy can also refer to 'native' labor such as Seedie boys. Some were indeed boys but others were adults.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63333/ADM%2053-63333-025_0.jpg
6:00 AM Slipped and proceded
This guy ALWAYS misspells proceeded! ;D
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63333/ADM%2053-63333-025_1.jpg
Seems like a lot of work for a torpedo, but I guess they do cost a lot of money... :-\
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63333/ADM%2053-63333-026_0.jpg
11:35 Drew up new torpedo
Looks like they couldn't find it... :(
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April 1917 "Roxburgh" is in Bermuda and records
Small fire due to cinema film catching fire extinguished by watch, slight damage to ship property
Sadly
they did not record the title of the film which would have been silent,
of course it might have been a hot property picked up somewhere
lgb
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HMS Ribble, Oct 1916, steaming 15 kts off Gibraltar, flat calm:
8.0 Lost overboard by accident. Megaphone - 18"
"Accident". Yeah, right.
"Overboard" was probably second choice.
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HMS Ribble in for refit & with a new skipper:
"Hands fitting lashings to all movable gear"
We'll see how well that works.
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Wondered whether to submit this to "Riveting" but as we're not "at sea" ...
HMS Ribble, Dec 1916, Barrow in Furness
(Having just completed a refit)
"About 0.55 a.m. Cast off from lock wall. Proc'd into Ramsden Basin. Speed as req.
about
1.10 ship struck dock wall forward with stern, owing to engine
telegraph defects, and stern struck No. 1 steam barge aft, carrying away
sweep brooms, port propellor guard & probably damaging port
propellor. Further use of engines discontinued.
Ship secured alongside North Wall of Basin.
Ship examined inside below waterline. Not making any water.
7.15 Hands clearing away sweep brooms. Hands cleaning ship.
11.40 Hands to dinner.
Make & mend.
1.30 Watch single all wires.
2.0 Place fenders. Hands fall in for shifting ship
2.15 Tugs came alongside, cast off North wall.
2.20 Secured in lock.
2.25 Divers examined propellors. No damage
3.15 Proc'd to Buccleuch dock.
3.45 Secured to wall in Buccleuch Dock.
4.10 Let fires die out. Leave to Watch & part of watch.
9.0 Rounds
11.0 Part of watch returned aboard"
"Extent of damage to steam barge No. 1.
(1) Port bridge rails bent & twisted for a distance of about 8 ft.
(2) Port side light screen smashed.
(3) Foremost davit of port boat bent to an angle of about 80 degrees.
(4) Stantion (or bracket) abaft bridge torn away from bulwarks.
(5) Lifebuoy on bridge (port side) torn.
(6) One plate of bulwarks torn in two places and slightly bent.
(7) Canvas weather screen torn. Hull apparently undamaged. Port boat lifted out of chocks but apparently undamaged.
I examined Steam Barge No. 1 with the Master J. Johnson & we found the above damage only. (signed) W.A. Elliot Capt.
Superintendent Harbour Master informed"
"Stantion" is not my spelling.
The dinner time reference to "make & mend" provoked a wry smile.
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HMS Ribble, Jan 1917, Barrow in Furness
Time & Motion
(OK, but how many tons per head?)
"11.15 Finished coaling. Took in 40.5 tons. Average 14.3 tons per hour"
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HMS Ribble, Jan 1917
"Damage sustained on night of 5th & 6th 1917:
Starb waist gun, Battery washed overboard & circuits carried away. Two lifebuoys washed overboard. "
So much for the lashings ...
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you really have to start feeling sorry for the Ribble - Murphy's Law
seems to have gotten this ship and crew big time :o
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Yep. Gallipoli - no problem. Dock wall & friendly steam barge, on home turf ... :(
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Challenger is in Simons Town, 12th February 1917, and going into dry dock. In the early evening this entry:
'Finished pumping out dock.
Hands removing fish from dock.'
I've been in various dry docks before now, but I've never seen a record of the hands removing fish from one! ::)
This
is obviously a very fishy dock ..... The following day there are
two entries for 'Cleaning ships bottom, and removing fish from
dock.'
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Victorian gets grounded in the River Mersey and requires the assistance of 12 tugs to come free.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67387/ADM%2053-67387-014_1.jpg
The Captains name seems appropriate although the log keeper is at pains to point out that the Pilot was in charge
lgb
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I love the drawing of the ship ;D
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Welcome to Malta, HMS Ribble"
"4.10 Cleared lower deck & read out orders re publick houses"
(Remember - Al K. Hall is not your best friend.)
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HMS Ribble
"Owing to insufficient steam, dropped astern of station"
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HMS Ribble, Jan 1917, Suda Bay:
"Proc'd for leaving harbour . Owing to it being impossible to open booms gate, returned to harbour 8.0 anchored"
Looks like it's going to be one of those journeys ...
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I don't think I've heard of another ship as or more unlucky than
poor Ribble. The worse that happened on any ship I've been on was
spending a week diving for a lost practice torpedo.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53229/ADM%2053-53229-011_0.jpg
See the 1.35 entry.
I read it as "Recd 35 of lentils for passage to Malta."
It
is good to see that the lentils know exactly where they are going!!! I
am sure that someone will be detailed to look after all 35 of them. It
must be almost a pocket full!!!
I am going to look such a chump if this is a mondegreen.
K
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53229/ADM%2053-53229-013_0.jpg
And now the peas want to come to Malta too!!! 2.05 entry.
At
least it makes my reading of the last entry a little more certain and
it appears that the log keeper just missed out the word "bags".
K
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I
don't think I've heard of another ship as or more unlucky than poor
Ribble. The worse that happened on any ship I've been on was
spending a week diving for a lost practice torpedo.
You wished it on me.
We've
just lost two torpedoes; only one was found immediately. We spent two
days looking for the other one without success. On the third day it rose
again, but it needed a little help.
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Isn't taking lentils to Malta a sort of coals to Newcastle thing? ;D
The Ribble really is a hard luck ship! The crew needs to do some sort of sacrifice and quickly...
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53229/ADM%2053-53229-021_1.jpg
70 bags of lentils delivered as required. The peas must have transformed on the journey.
Clearly Odin's crew are traditional British eaters and not lentil eating vegetarians as they swap them for beef and potatoes.
K
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HMS Ribble, March 1917, Mudros:
"2.50 rec'd one torpedo from Blenheim for transit to Malta"
One whole torpedo! Are you sure you can spare it?
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HMs Ribble, March 1917:
"4.50 anchored at entrance to Corinth Canal. Paid canal dues and entered canal"
Do you take Visa?
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63333/ADM%2053-63333-025_1.jpg
Seems like a lot of work for a torpedo, but I guess they do cost a lot of money... :-\
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63333/ADM%2053-63333-026_0.jpg
11:35 Drew up new torpedo
Looks like they couldn't find it... :(
Actually,
you may find they go out and sweep for it some more, if they don't have
anything else to do. Yarmouth was running torpedo exercises at
one point, lost the torpedo, the torpedo director, umpteen fathoms of
line, etc etc etc., steamed back to port, then sent the launch off to
sweep for it every day for a week before they finally gave up.
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I dont know if this is insecurity or if the navigator of Suva is just showing off.
Either, "where the ... are we?" "Best do a fix to find out." Or, "look how many different ways we can get a fix".
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61879/ADM%2053-61879-006_1.jpg
There are a total of 8 complete position fixes on this one page. The sums must have taken all day!!!
Problem for the scientists, which one to pick!!
K
I wrote the above too soon.
The following page has 9 full fixes and an additional spare longitude, by Sirrius just in case!!!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61879/ADM%2053-61879-007_0.jpg
Please say I dont have to transcribe them all, otherwise I will be praying for heavy cloud!!!
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Always do the noon measurements - these are used whenever available
for all ships. Obs. ones best, D.R. ones very useful also.
I
would always do the 8am/8pm boxes. Very useful for show how fast
the ship is moving and if it is going in circles, both are D.R.
references.
All the others, as with all notes, are
optional. Do them if you are interested. I personally wonder
if he is running navigation classes for the younger officers, which
would support the "look how many different ways we can get a fix"
option.
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Thanks Janet.
I have in fact transcribed them all on both
pages, because they are interesting and unusual. I do always do the noon
observed and the 8am/8pm boxes, so it wasnt really much extra work and
the differences between observations on the different stars may be of
interest to someone.
A little heavy cloud wouldnt come amiss if they are going to continue at this rate!!!
As I said in another thread Suva's logs are both artistic and literary works of art, but now also navigational ones.
K
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47726/ADM%2053-47726-017_1.jpg
3pm: "Leave for boys"
Odd "leave" statement.
You may have already discovered it for yourself by now, but boys (young men) served on many ships.
At
the time of WW1, Boys could be taken on as young as 14. Don't forget
the school leaving age in the UK was that until some years after WW2.
Also the youngest Victoria Cross winner was Boy Cornwall at the Battle
of Jutland. He was just 15 and a national hero.
Contrary to all
our fears for youngsters these days, I get the impression they were well
cared for - tough and strictly disciplined yes, but fairly, and
probably free, in all but the most exceptional cases of real abuse. I
posted a link in one of the forum about naval court martials in the
First World War. I don't recollect seeing any cases of Boys being
abused.
If anyone finds evidence to the contrary, I'd like to know about it.
Thanks. Gordon
Also, I believe it is mentioned elsewhere that they did attend school at least on some ships.
Boy can also refer to 'native' labor such as Seedie boys. Some were indeed boys but others were adults.
Log of Roxburgh, 17 April, 1917 refers to "3 officers, 1 schoolmaster, 24 boys left for camp"
This is the only mention of a schoolmaster that I have seen so far.
lgb
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The Venus also has folks going to camp. And received a rating back from prison! :o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67188/ADM%2053-67188-008_0.jpg
gotta wonder what he did to rate prison....
Kathy W.
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HMS Ribble, March 1917, at Malta but being Shipshape & Bristol Fashion
"In
accordance with K.R. and A.I. Article 698, sub clause a(11) and Article
724, Mr E.G. Solway Gunner R.N. is logged for remaining on shore after
midnight 23rd without having obtained permission to do so. H.P. Keeley
Lieut in Command E.G Solway Gunner RN."
and
"In
accordance with K.R. and A.I. Article 698, sub clause a(11) and Article
724, Mr J.McOustra Art. Engineer R.N. is logged for going ashore about
6.pm. on the 23rd and remaining ashore all night without obtaining
permission to do so. H.P. Keeley Lieut in Command J. McOustra Art.
Engineer RN."
I wonder whether they'd have preferred to turn into pumpkins.
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HMS Ribble, March 1917, Malta
"1.45 Diving boat came alongside, diver cleared discharge pipe of seamen's heads.
2.45 Diving party left ship."
A
diver needed rather than a plumber ??? How long had it been blocked?
How deep was the ... (I'll leave that question unfinished)
By
one of those strange coincidences, this very afternoon I finally figured
out why the ballcock on a lavatory cistern was unable to close,
completely, the water inlet.
Relief all round.
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April 1917 Roxburgh still in Bermuda
Cask of rum broached by accident contents thrown overboard.
Would you believe it?
lgb
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wha? why, oh why!!??
O the humanity!
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April 1917 Roxburgh still in Bermuda
Cask of rum broached by accident contents thrown overboard.
Would you believe it?
lgb
Frankly, not for a moment! I suspect the contents went in a different direction altogether. ;)
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"Accident?" Like the sort of accident where you open a bottle
of something, drink it all, then throw away the empty bottle?
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ya know, I had to fix my toilet over the weekend - coincidence or something from the past....
you decide....
(HAHAHAHAHA)
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Maybe it was thrown overboard. In the end. Drinking a whole cask of rum tends not to end well.
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Something slightly peculiar with the fixes on this page.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53229/ADM%2053-53229-024_1.jpg
Odin
is travelling from Malta to Port Said. For some unknown reason her 12N
Easting by both Observation and DR are higher than the 8pm one, ie she
appears to have travelled west between those times.
There is no significant change of direction during the day that would account for it.
Any explanations, except those to do with drinking rum greatfully received.
K
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Perhaps it was just the fumes ;D
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This is the first time in all the logs I have transcribed that a ship has changed course because of the temperature.
Most
of the ships I have been working on have been in the Middle East and we
have had temperatures much higher than 94 which is the highest on this
page. I wonder what was so special.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53229/ADM%2053-53229-028_0.jpg
See
the 5.25pm entry. A/C16 points to Stbd to cool ship. That if I
understand correctly is a complete 180 degree turn. They very quickly
followed up with a 120 degree turn.
K
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This log keeper is really cracking up, it must be the heat or the rum fumes.
This is the page following the one above where they changed direction to cool the ship.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53229/ADM%2053-53229-028_1.jpg
All
the fixes show her about in the middle of the Red Sea and the course is
steadily S30E. The previous pages have shown that she is heading from
Suez towards Aden.
All of a sudden this page seems to think she
is between Port Said and Suez, ie in the canal. She was actually there
about a week ago.
I didnt like his writing from the moment he took over.
K
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63337/ADM%2053-63337-011_1.jpg
Middle of page: Presented Long Service ~ medal to Mech: Thomson
First time I've seen a medal mentioned. :)
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On Patia on 22nd April 1916 I had a Vice Admiral Tupper who 'came
aboard to present medal and inspect ship's company'. It didn't say
who was getting the medal though, so I wasn't able to find out anything
more.
Helen J
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This is the first time in all the logs I have transcribed that a ship has changed course because of the temperature.
Most
of the ships I have been working on have been in the Middle East and we
have had temperatures much higher than 94 which is the highest on this
page. I wonder what was so special.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53229/ADM%2053-53229-028_0.jpg
See
the 5.25pm entry. A/C16 points to Stbd to cool ship. That if I
understand correctly is a complete 180 degree turn. They very quickly
followed up with a 120 degree turn.
K
In the Middle East, were you changing course frequently?
You've
been steaming East of South all day, with a light Northerly wind: sun
on the starboard side. We don't know what's on that side of the ship:
magazine, brig, ice cream room ... A 180 degree turn gets the starboard
side out of the sun and facing the breeze. Speed is dropped right back
for 30 minutes to minimise distance travelled during the respite, after
which the sun would be lower. Sounds like the sort of gesture that could
stave off a mutiny.
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On
Patia on 22nd April 1916 I had a Vice Admiral Tupper who 'came aboard
to present medal and inspect ship's company'. It didn't say who
was getting the medal though, so I wasn't able to find out anything
more.
Helen J
Heh, heh.
Tupperware.
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ya know, I had to fix my toilet over the weekend - coincidence or something from the past....
you decide....
(HAHAHAHAHA)
Not lacking in sympathy, just completely missed this.
I trust that you didn't need the full diving suit.
(It was lucky that I read this over before hitting "Post". My spelling of "suit" was decidedly Freudian.)
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Sorry, have to ask. What? What spelling of "suit"
could be terribly Freudian? (I have a funny feeling I'm gonna
regret that question.)
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This is the first time in all the logs I have transcribed that a ship has changed course because of the temperature.
Most
of the ships I have been working on have been in the Middle East and we
have had temperatures much higher than 94 which is the highest on this
page. I wonder what was so special.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53229/ADM%2053-53229-028_0.jpg
See
the 5.25pm entry. A/C16 points to Stbd to cool ship. That if I
understand correctly is a complete 180 degree turn. They very quickly
followed up with a 120 degree turn.
K
In the Middle East, were you changing course frequently?
You've
been steaming East of South all day, with a light Northerly wind: sun
on the starboard side. We don't know what's on that side of the ship:
magazine, brig, ice cream room ... A 180 degree turn gets the starboard
side out of the sun and facing the breeze. Speed is dropped right back
for 30 minutes to minimise distance travelled during the respite, after
which the sun would be lower. Sounds like the sort of gesture that could
stave off a mutiny.
Well thought through, thanks Bunts.
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On
Patia on 22nd April 1916 I had a Vice Admiral Tupper who 'came aboard
to present medal and inspect ship's company'. It didn't say who
was getting the medal though, so I wasn't able to find out anything
more.
Helen J
Heh, heh.
Tupperware.
:D :D :D
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Who's been a naughty boy ?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53506/ADM%2053-53506-004_1.jpg
1.45 Steward Rimmer placed under Sentry's Charge for refusing duty & using foul language
tsk, tsk ;D
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I've seen plenty of gunnery practice with sub-calibre rounds but this is the first time I've seen it with the real thing
see 8.45pm entry
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46002/ADM%2053-46002-011_1.jpg
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I like the 11 35 entry. "Lookout sighted object on horizon, port side which disappeared continually. "
Disappearing continually is a very clever trick.
K
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I like the 11 35 entry. "Lookout sighted object on horizon, port side which disappeared continually. "
Disappearing continually is a very clever trick.
K
Ooh, a bit harsh.
I
dare say that my liking for semantics would diminish significantly when
within visual range of a potential U boat conning tower. ;)
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I like the 11 35 entry. "Lookout sighted object on horizon, port side which disappeared continually. "
Disappearing continually is a very clever trick.
K
Ooh, a bit harsh.
I
dare say that my liking for semantics would diminish significantly when
within visual range of a potential U boat conning tower. ;)
Another
fair point, perhaps I should have said disappearing continually is a
clever trick that submarines are capable of doing!!!
K
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Another fair point, perhaps I should have said disappearing
continually is a clever trick that submarines are capable of doing!!!
Touche, Monsieur.
Pity we can't get accents.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47732/ADM%2053-47732-010_0.jpg
"11.30 Finished speed trial and eased to 50 revs (speed attained 16 knots)"
Not fast enough to outrun a torpedo, but it'll get you up and down the east coast of South America just fine.
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HMS Ribble June 1917
"Yesterday" we rescued a torpedoed Japanese destroyer so everyone's on high alert:
"3.58 Action stations. Porpoises mistaken for periscope of submarine"
Better that way than vice versa.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63339/ADM%2053-63339-017_0.jpg
Drew Rum from Mantis.
I guess they had to have fun somehow. ;D
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63340/ADM%2053-63340-012_1.jpg
Noon: Dorn night clothing.
Seems a little early for night clothing... :-\
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I notice that night clothing was put to air at 9:00. I wonder if
that is Down night clothing in the sense of put away / take down?
But I like the idea of a Saturday afternoon pajama party ;D
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46002/ADM%2053-46002-015_0.jpg
3.30 entry looks like
Passed dead dog floating in water
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Yes, it does.
Strange that such a simple line seems so poignant in view of some of the things we've transcribed.
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After this, things were never the same between the HMS Kinsha and HMS Gnat ;D
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3467/5822663406_9a45b51706.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45793/ADM%2053-45793-008_1.jpg
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Do you think HMS Gnat believed that story?
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Well, that was a rum go of things!
;D
Kathy W.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46002/ADM%2053-46002-017_0.jpg
5.35 Round black object (possibly floating mine) passed down starbd side dist. 300 yds.
That would certainly make you sit up and take notice
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HMS Ribble June 1917 at Mudros
"0.30 Sent aquatic sports party to Blenheim"
As if they hadn't seen enough of the stuff.
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HMS Ribble 4th July 1917 off Mudros
"Listen up, chaps. This is really interesting. The moon is ... Ah, look at the seagull."
(http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1917PA.....25..459M )
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HMS Ribble July 1917 off Mudros
"7.30 Commenced sweeping with Usk
7.54 slipped sweep
8.6 sank British mine by gunfire
8.30 - 9.15 Sank 3 British mines by gunfire, one exploded "
A couple of hours well spent.
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HMS Lancaster 3rd May 1915
6.0 Read warrant 162. Discharged prisoner to Minotaur
Sounds a bit harsh
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Is there something going on in the British Isles? A rash, a plague, an outbreak of smart arshness?
I mean, really, Sounds a bit harsh -
Are you (and possibly Tegwen, or Thursdaynext, or, well the list is endless) actually the love child of Bunts and DJ?
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Is there something going on in the British Isles? A rash, a plague, an outbreak of smart arshness?
I mean, really, Sounds a bit harsh -
Are you (and possibly Tegwen, or Thursdaynext, or, well the list is endless) actually the love child of Bunts and DJ?
Humm.... The pot calling the kettle black? ;D
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possibly, possibly - ;D
I do come from a long line of ah, folks with that, ah, condition... ;)
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Humm.... The pot calling the kettle black?
I can hear the sound of lawyers opening new files.
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HMS Ribble July 1917.
Log page has been subject to moisture.
Notice how the printed lines have been washed out but the handwriting
remains unaffected? It's not easy to get that sort of ink today.
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Maybe it was written after the paper dried. ;) ;D ;)
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Maybe it was written after the paper dried. ;) ;D ;)
With
my pre-retirement, boringly serious hat on, I can assure you that it
wasn't. The surface of the paper ... drone ... zzz ... snore.
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WAKE UP!
Now you've got me curious. Analysis please!
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WAKE UP!
Now you've got me curious. Analysis please!
Uh? Who? Wha..?
Very briefly (by my standards).
The
processing of wood fibre into paper means it will be absorbent; think
blotting paper. This is counteracted by "sizing" - in effect filling up
the small spaces between the fibres so the ink won't "creep". Various
substances have been used for this, now it's mainly china clay. If wet
before use, the size is diluted or removed and the ink will spread when
applied. (I speak not of ball point ink which is oil-based.) If wet
after writing, "permanent" ink will be, largely, unaffected; "washable"
ink will, mostly, spread along with the size and pretty well disappear
if not blotted quickly. The Royal Navy (and most government departments)
would have had no truck with the latter, even if it had then existed,
which I doubt.
So there. :D
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HMS Ribble August 1917
"10.30 Unfitted all Lance Bombs"
What's a Lance Bomb? An early-ish mortar:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/images/B000ROBK9Y/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&n=11052681&s=kitchen.
(Note strong elastic in bottom photo ;D )
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Thank You!
That was fascinating.
(disclaimer - some people think I am weird - but they probably don't do Old Weather)
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Thank You!
That was fascinating.
(disclaimer - some people think I am weird - but they probably don't do Old Weather)
I don't get to speak to anyone who's not on OW, so - no problem there.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47734/ADM%2053-47734-011_1.jpg
"4.45 OS Grice badly injured at no 5 hatch"
Then the next day:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47734/ADM%2053-47734-012_0.jpg
"10.55 OS Grice discharged to hospital"
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47734/ADM%2053-47734-011_1.jpg
"4.45 OS Grice badly injured at no 5 hatch"
Then the next day:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47734/ADM%2053-47734-012_0.jpg
"10.55 OS Grice discharged to hospital"
Talk about a delayed reaction. :-\
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63343/ADM%2053-63343-006_0.jpg
9:00AM Lost Port anchor.
That doesn't sound good!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63343/ADM%2053-63343-006_1.jpg
1:15PM Anchor recovered.
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"Holy cow! He's badly injured. Let's go grab a bite to
eat, get a good night's rest, have some breakfast, then see if he's any
less injured. If not, maybe we can take him to the hospital, if we
have time."
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"Holy
cow! He's badly injured. Let's go grab a bite to eat, get a
good night's rest, have some breakfast, then see if he's any less
injured. If not, maybe we can take him to the hospital, if we have
time."
"Well, it IS important to get 8 hours of sleep, so I guess he can wait." ;D ;D ;D
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As soon as I finish transcribing this log page I'll call the ambulance...
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HMS Ribble Aug 1917 at and around Mudros.
Of late, there
have been numerous "observed searchlight burning ..." entries. We have
had a couple of "silver beamed" searchlights observed and now a "golden
beamed" one.
Is it a particularly artistic log keeper, atmospheric effects or energy saving lightbulb?
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And here they are; Full House 8)
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61611/ADM%2053-61611-009_1.jpg
4 witnesses i~paired to Caesar for Court of ~quiry
Wonder what that was about. ???
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61611/ADM%2053-61611-009_1.jpg
4 witnesses i~paired to Caesar for Court of ~quiry
Wonder what that was about. ???
"4 witnesses repaired to Caesar for Court of enquiry"
Repair is an old expression for "to go" (verb, intransitive ;) ) and "enquiry" is my preferred spelling of "inquiry".
Which reminds me, I must repair to my bed.
Oh,
a court of enquiry is held to determine what went wrong in a fairly
serious set of circumstances: a death from other than natural causes,
loss of a ship, or substantial (accidental) damage to a ship to allocate
blame if appropriate, mutiny.
Now that there are female admirals a court of enquiry may be convened to investigate the loss overboard of 50 lbs of chocolate.
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And you'd better bet heads'll roll for that one.
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You better believe it! ;D
Although, I think the first
person I would go after was the officer who ordered the recovery of a
quarter of beef that had been lost overboard in the harbour the previous
day....
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This is going to be the most exciting comment I've made on this forum.
Macedonia, May 31, 1918:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47734/ADM%2053-47734-018_1.jpg
Macedonia, June 1, 1918:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47735/ADM%2053-47735-002_1.jpg
The
log page is now formatted differently. I prefer the new way so
far. The noon position boxes are moved to the right a bit, so they
don't interfere with the noon weather report (i.e. I can click directly
where I want the weather report "pin" to be instead of having to click
somewhere away from the noon positions then drag the weather input box
where I want it to be).
Told you it was exciting.
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wait wha? So....it is not something happening in the log, but
rather the log itself that is the point of you post? ;D ;D
We are just a lot of sad, sad individuals with this project now
;)
K.
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Shoot - beef, smeef, that stuff can be washed off - but 50 pounds of chocolate - there is just no way to save that!
Off with their heads!
Kathy
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It's the small things in life.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47735/ADM%2053-47735-004_0.jpg
"10.30 Sighted HMS Otranto with convoy. Course and speed as req to attach convoy.
11.50 Left convoy and proceeded to Dakar."
This
is a perfectly normal entry, but the "h" in "attach" looks a lot like a
"k". Talk about changing the meaning of a couple of sentences.
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You like that format do you? I have that format log book on
Vindictive at the moment - I find it such a pain that the sick list
figure is so far over to the left that the box goes off the page. I
have to fill in the Event box somewhere in the middle, then move it
into the correct position after I've completed it. >:(
Still nice to see Macedonia finally left South America - just so as I know when/if I come back. ;D
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;D ;D ;D
and you know, all of us are saying to
ourselves, "Yes, yes, that new format is better. Good for
him. Hope the log keeper keeps it up."
Kathy
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You
like that format do you? I have that format log book on
Vindictive at the moment - I find it such a pain that the sick list
figure is so far over to the left that the box goes off the page. I
have to fill in the Event box somewhere in the middle, then move it
into the correct position after I've completed it. >:(
Still nice to see Macedonia finally left South America - just so as I know when/if I come back. ;D
I've
never recorded any info for the sick list. Not sure it's worth
starting now that I'm in (what I think is) the last 6 months of
Macedonia's logs.
And yes, she left SA! Went to Simon's
Town for a re-commission in Aug 1917, then back to SA to apparently
ferry things/people back and forth between Montevideo and Maldonado for a
couple months, then to England with a convoy, then to Dakar (May/June
1918).
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all of us but that known trouble maker, Thursdaynext! :P
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...
I've
never recorded any info for the sick list. Not sure it's worth
starting now that I'm in (what I think is) the last 6 months of
Macedonia's logs.
...
I
didn't in the beginning (not in the instructions! - at least not
explicitly), but then I saw the thread in the 1918-1919 influenza
epidemic, so I started. Not all ships have the information, so sometimes
I forget to check. :-[
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I've
never recorded any info for the sick list. Not sure it's worth
starting now that I'm in (what I think is) the last 6 months of
Macedonia's logs.
There's
never been an instruction to record the sick list info, but I know
quite a lot of us do. It is entirely up to you - however, it might
still be worth starting now because you will shortly be getting to the
start of the Spanish flu epidemic, so it could get interesting (in a sad
sort of a way). Especially on that West Africa coast route.
The Mantua was on that route in 1918; we don't have her logs on OW
beyond April 1918, but from the naval history website it was clear that
the Mantua suffered huge casualties from illness in August 1918 with the
deaths recorded as being at Sierra Leone. I have since found a
reference to the Mantua in a book on the Spanish flu epidemic - she
arrived in Sierra Leone with over 200 sick crew members and within a
couple of weeks they had recorded 300 cases at the Sierra Leone Mining
Company.
But anyway, there are three transcribers per page, so
the Macedonia's sick list info will probably be recorded one way or
another.
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Yeah, I've been watching for the start of the flu. Nothing
yet, but you're right, it could be a good time to start keeping track of
the sick list.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47735/ADM%2053-47735-006_1.jpg
At 8:00am the log keeper was at a loss for words: "Man"
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At 8:00am the log keeper was at a loss for words: "Man"
Yeah, Man!
Distinctly odd.
I
note that the Officer of the Watch has initialled the log at that
point. I wonder if that distracted the log keeper and he didn't return
to the right place?
Definitely odd.
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At 8:00am the log keeper was at a loss for words: "Man"
I
note that the Officer of the Watch has initialled the log at that
point. I wonder if that distracted the log keeper and he didn't return
to the right place?
Definitely odd.
I
hadn't noticed that. Maybe they were both just shocked (SHOCKED!)
at the 3-hundredths bump on the barometer and 1 degree drop in
temp. The only reaction they could come up with was "Man..." ( I
assume the log keeper meant to put the "..." in).
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Macedonia, 18 June 1918 at Sierra Leone
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47735/ADM%2053-47735-010_0.jpg
Quite the storm from 3-4am: "Violent squalls from SE"
Went from "vble 1 oc" one hour to "SE 7-8 QR" the next hour.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47735/ADM%2053-47735-010_1.jpg
"3.0 Received 321 cases of bullion"
Would that be gold bullion? Beef bullion? Something else?
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47735/ADM%2053-47735-006_1.jpg
At 8:00am the log keeper was at a loss for words: "Man"
Distinctly odd ;D
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Busy week on Macedonia.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47735/ADM%2053-47735-010a_0.jpg
"Had
occasion to severely reprimand Mr Guthrie Warrant Engineer RNR for
leaving the engine room when engineer officer of the watch without being
properly relieved"
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HMS Ribble off Salonika Sept 1917
"0.30 Challenged patrol destroyer with no reply"
Worrying. No further action mentioned.
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HMS Ribble Sept 1917 off Salonika
"3.20 Sounding machine and canvas screen round charthouse carried away by heavy seas"
That's the second sounding machine over the side in the last three months.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67580/ADM%2053-67580-016_1.jpg
A
German national has been handed over to Vindictive by the British SS
Vauban. I can't help thinking Conrad might not have been the
sharpest knife in the drawer ... presumably there were non-British ships
on the route between River Plate and New York!
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Not sure where to post this but I was interested by the 3.30pm entry from the log of HMS Suva. March 1917.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61881/ADM%2053-61881-014_1.jpg
"Lascar Serang and 13 Lascars and one native servant left ship on leave. "
After a search I discovered that a Lascar Serang is the boss or boatswain of the Lascar (Asian native) crew on a ship.
Hope this may help someone avoid having to look it up.
K
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47736/ADM%2053-47736-013_0.jpg
"6.00 Floating Cook's Galley moored alongside"
Floating cook not included.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47736/ADM%2053-47736-013_0.jpg
"6.00 Floating Cook's Galley moored alongside"
Floating cook not included.
For the naval equivalent of a garden barbecue?
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HMS Ribble. Oct 1917 Genoa
"Starboard engine failed to go astern"
Again >:(
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did it at least go to stbd?
;D
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47736/ADM%2053-47736-013_0.jpg
"6.00 Floating Cook's Galley moored alongside"
Floating cook not included.
For the naval equivalent of a garden barbecue?
Well,
they had just finished loading many tons of frozen meat and fish.
Maybe they were having a 3-week-late US independence day celebration at
sea. :)
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did it at least go to stbd?
;D
There were no further details. It may still be at Genoa. Or it may be still at Genoa.
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I don't think we're going anywhere for a while:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47737/ADM%2053-47737-004_1.jpg
9AM-ish, Aug 3, 1918 (at Devonport): "Long leave granted to Port Watch from 9AM to 10PM 24th August"
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47737/ADM%2053-47737-010_1.jpg
What do you do when you're sitting in drydock for a few weeks? Dental work!
"9.30 3 Ratings sent to depot for dental treatment"
Also, fix your gun sights:
"Returned 18 gun sight telescopes to gun mounting shop for inspection and test"
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47737/ADM%2053-47737-015_0.jpg
"1.15 1 PO 2 LS and 1 AB sent to Portsmouth for paravane course"
Paravane: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paravane_%28weapon%29
Initially
developed to destroy naval mines, the paravane would be strung out and
streamed alongside the towing ship, normally from the bow. The wings of
the paravane would tend to force the body away from the towing ship,
placing a lateral tension on the towing wire. If the tow cable snagged
the cable anchoring a mine then the anchoring cable would be cut,
allowing the mine to float to the surface where it could be destroyed by
gunfire. If the anchor cable would not part, the mine and the paravane
would be brought together and the mine would explode harmlessly against
the paravane. The cable could then be retrieved and a replacement
paravane fitted.
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HMS Ribble Nov 1917 Taranto
"2.45 proc'd for leaving harbour
3.6 Signal for permission to proceed not approved
3.10 Dropped port anchor. "
If you can't look after your things properly, you can't go out to play!
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Avoca - 14 July 1917
11|30 Fire broke out in after end
wardroom through fusing of electric cables, fire hoses rigged and
extinguishers ussed on smoking woodwork 11|50 Fire out. Carpenters
removing woodwork.
12|- Woodwork removed. Hoses left rigged.
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16 June, 1922 (Friday), "Cairo" is off the East Coast of Sri Lanka (Ceylon)
10.11 Let go port depth charge which failed to explode
10.50 Let go starboard depth charge
11.00 Stopped, sent away seaboats to pick up fish
Well it is Friday after all!
Pass the tartare sauce please
lgb
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HMS Ribble Nov 1917 Taranto
"2.45 proc'd for leaving harbour
3.6 Signal for permission to proceed not approved
3.10 Dropped port anchor. "
If you can't look after your things properly, you can't go out to play!
HMS Ribble Dec. 1917 Mudros
"1.15 Sounding machine stripped & cleaned"
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;D
Wonder where if came from....
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;D
Wonder where if came from....
Well ... it wasn't stated, but it's just after Christmas ...
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HMS Ribble Feb 1918 Malta
"5.0 Read warrant; No. not known"
Grounds for appeal, there?
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HMS Ribble Feb 1918 Malta
"Sub Lt H. Hook rejoined ship"
I wonder whether he ever made captain?
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HMS Ribble April 1918 in Malta
"In No. 4 dry dock with HMAS Warrego, HIJM ships Kanran & Kashiwa "
Some dry dock, that one.
http://www.killifish.f9.co.uk/Malta%20WWII/Prewar_Sail/drydock.htm
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HMS Ribble March 1918 in Malta
"In No. 4 dry dock with HMAS Warrego, HIJM ships Kanran & Kashiwa "
Some dry dock, that one.
http://www.killifish.f9.co.uk/Malta%20WWII/Prewar_Sail/drydock.htm
Actually they are just good friends
lgb
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47738/ADM%2053-47738-011_0.jpg
Interesting symbol in the "standard compass courses" column at 5:00pm.
The 5pm "remarks" entry: "swing ship on port helm for compass deviations"
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47738/ADM%2053-47738-011_0.jpg
Interesting symbol in the "standard compass courses" column at 5:00pm.
The 5pm "remarks" entry: "swing ship on port helm for compass deviations"
I guess it means that we are going round in a clockwise circle, I know the feeling, something more than a doodle
lgb
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47738/ADM%2053-47738-013_0.jpg
"4 sacks coal + ~at Patt. 3a lost overboard"
Any
guesses about the "~" part? Might be "2" instead of "+", but I
still can't make out the word (or abbreviation) that follows it.
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Hi
My best guess for the type of bags is 2cwt. Ie 2 hundredweight.
Hope this helps.
K
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Hi
My best guess for the type of bags is 2cwt. Ie 2 hundredweight.
Hope this helps.
K
Or just under 102kg
lgb
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HMS Ribble Feb 1918 Malta
"Sub Lt H. Hook rejoined ship"
I wonder whether he ever made captain?
No, he didn't.
A couple of weeks ago, Sub Lt Hook returned from several days in hospital, then:
HMS Ribble 9th March Malta
"In
accordance with K.R. & A.I. Art. 724 the following offence is
logged against Sub Lt Hereward Hook, Royal Navy. Sub. Lieutenant
Hereward Hook Royal Navy was not on deck at 8.30 A.M.L.T. on the 9th of
March when he should have been there inspecting the ammunition coming in
board, having previously received written instructions from Lieut in
Command Harold Percy Keeley Royal Navy to do so. Hereward Hook Sub.
Lieutenant R.N. H. P. Keeley Lieut in Command "
He survived that and in the fullness of time was awarded the Distinguished Service Order.
"SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 11 NOVEMBER, 1941
Lieutenant-Commander Hereward Hook, Royal Navy (Retired), H.M.S. Defender"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Defender_(H07)
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/35342/supplements/6494/page.pdf
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/35342/supplements/6493/page.pdf
Don't know how far up the greasy pole his boss got, but he also got a gong:
Distinguished Service Cross.
"SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 17 MAY, 1918. 5857
Lieut. Harold Percy Keeley, R.N "
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/30687/supplements/5857/page.pdf
"Written instructions" ???
I think I would not have liked Lt. Keeley, quite apart from his knack of pranging his ship and losing stuff.
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HMS Ribble March 1918 Malta
"1.15 Landed seamen to witness depth charge throwing near Fort Ricasoli"
Training for the Olympic Games?
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61883/ADM%2053-61883-013_0.jpg
From the log of HMS Suva in refit in Columbo May 1917.
06.00
Vessel with fumigating plant arrived alongside. Native crew employed
closing down hatches and preparing ship for fumigating.
07.00 Commenced Fumigating ship
07.15 Working party arr on board.
1.15. Fumigating vessel left ship.
I assume that the working party were not working in the ship while they were fumigating.
I wonder what they fumigated with in those days. Something horrendous I have no doubt.
K
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Avoca - Payta, Peru - 27 July 1917
Searchlight + rocket display in honour of National Festivity.
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While rootling around trying to find more about fumigation of ships in the early 20th century I found the following.
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/imageserver/imageserver.pl?oid=HBH19000423.2.19.2&area=2&width=300&color=32&ext=gif&key=
Mad or what?
I think I should change my Pseudonym to Irish Blackguard, not that I am Irish!!!
K
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While rootling around trying to find more about fumigation of ships in the early 20th century I found the following.
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/imageserver/imageserver.pl?oid=HBH19000423.2.19.2&area=2&width=300&color=32&ext=gif&key=
Mad or what?
I think I should change my Pseudonym to Irish Blackguard, not that I am Irish!!!
K
A couple of bricks would also be useful for slugs and snails (no to mentions camels).
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The difficulty is getting the slugs and snails to sneeze, particularly with the lack of pungent snuff these days.
K
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61883/ADM%2053-61883-014_1.jpg
HMS Suva has completed refit and left Columbo, but it looks as if they didnt do a very good job with the engine.
5.30 to 6.00 Reduced speed owing to Engine defect
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61883/ADM%2053-61883-014_1.jpg
HMS Suva has completed refit and left Columbo, but it looks as if they didnt do a very good job with the engine.
5.30 to 6.00 Reduced speed owing to Engine defect
After
a couple of tally-ho full speed "tests". HMS Ribble visited Malta to
restock all the lost overboard items and fix her make-up. Several weeks
later (after nary a mention of engine work) she completed her Basin Test
and then went for a full power burn up which lasted less than half an
hour, followed by a limp back to harbour with an engine defect.
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It seems a common problem. Clio went for a full speed trial after a refit in Port Said and blew a main cylinder gasket.
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I know that there had been a reluctance on the part of sailors to
learn to swim, but it looks like "a policy" is being developed.
HMS Ribble May 1918 Malta:
"1.30 Swimming party instructed in Bighi Bay"
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I've seen swimming instruction noted a few times on the Avoca and/or Lancaster.
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I've seen swimming instruction noted a few times on the Avoca and/or Lancaster.
Ah. It's the first time I'd seen it, and furthermore, two days later:
"2.0 Sent non swimmers to Bighi Bay
3.40 Non swimmers returned"
So, it was either unsuccessful in that no one learned to swim, or successful in that they all survived.
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Something else over the side.
HMS Ribble May 1918 off Gibraltar
"12.0 One gallon of rum survey found unfit for consumption & thrown overboard."
(Possibly to shouts of "I'll risk it!")
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It's started
HMS Ribble had a refit at Malta and travelled to Gibraltar losing only a gallon of rum, then whilst under tow by a tug:
"3.20 Port propellor knocked against pontoon"
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Something to be proud of.
HMS Ribble May Gibraltar.
"11.15 Finished coaling 150 tons No loss or damage"
On
many occasions previously she's had damage to one or other torpedo
tubes and bits knocked off them or their mounts; or lost a coal bag or
two.
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Next day
"5.0 (pm) proc'd, Usk astern
7.55 commenced No. 17 Zigzag Starbd wing of convoy
11.30 Lost touch with convoy Set Co. S66E 9 knots"
then
"1.10 Sighted convoy S75E"
Phew
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I can die a happy woman - ;D - I have seen Pipe down and anchors aweigh in the logs, and now this: please see 11:30 entry -
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67195/ADM%2053-67195-010_1.jpg
;D
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Hatches: Battened
Down: Piped
Anchor: Aweigh
Anyone said "Avast!" yet? :)
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aarrggg - not yet ;D me harty
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Well, shiver me timbers
lgb
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HMS Ribble June 1918 Gibraltar to Malta
"2.45 In station with convoy ZZ.17 & super ZZ at 11 knots"
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Super ZZ is where the ships all wear capes.
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But the ultimate in the scale of difficulty of zig zagging must be negative super ZZ.
K
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HMS Ribble June 1918 Gibraltar to Malta
"2.45 In station with convoy ZZ.17 & super ZZ at 11 knots"
Did the convoy manage to keep up this time? Or did they go their own sweet way like last time?
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From Odins Log Jan 1920.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53229/ADM%2053-53229-080_1.jpg
"Weighed and proceeded. Co & speed as req for searching coast for Dervishes." (Whirling or otherwise)
This is all part of the actions against the "Mad Mullah" in early 1920 in Somalia.
Also
on the same page she spots some "natives" with cattle and sheep, but
decides they are on the right side and have just raided the mullahs
animals. She then goes on to bombard a village.
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HMS Ribble June 1918 Gibraltar to Malta
"2.45 In station with convoy ZZ.17 & super ZZ at 11 knots"
Did the convoy manage to keep up this time? Or did they go their own sweet way like last time?
Erm
... :-[ it wasn't the convoy that got "detached"; presumably it
followed the prescribed course, allowing us to find it.
Despite the various ZZ patterns, the following evening:
"8.06 SS Glaucus port leading wing ship torpedoed
Zigzagged ahead wing to wing of convoy.
Wallflower & Usk stood by Glaucus
9.50 Glaucus sank"
Next day:
"2.0 Half masted colours.
Chief Engineer of Glaucus buried from Wallflower.
2.30 Re-hoisted colours"
Location not given
(according to http://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?37132 - 20 miles west of Granitola )
Next day, at Malta:
"6.23 am Embarked 29 Europeans & 111 Chinese from Wallflower, survivors of SS Glaucus
11.0 Landed survivors & sent 2 wounded to Egmont "
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??? I'm totally confused now (easily done, I know). I
thought from your previous post that it was the zigzagging that caused
Ribble to become separated from her convoy? Couldn't they have
found it again just by radioing one of the ships and asking them where
they were?
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Is this a record?! They've just recorded a barometric pressure of 99.96 on the Raven! (see Noon entry)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57308/ADM%2053-57308-065_0.jpg
Carry on like that and there's a danger they'll wake me up!
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??? I'm totally confused now (easily done, I know). I thought
from your previous post that it was the zigzagging that caused Ribble to
become separated from her convoy? Couldn't they have found it
again just by radioing one of the ships and asking them where they were?
That was my reading.
I
fancy this may be the skipper's opinion: "I was the only one in step!" I
may be doing him a disservice but if the convoy stays together apart
from one escort ...
It's not clear how populous the convoy was. We
had escorts HMSs Wallflower & Usk who stayed with the stricken
Glaucus, while HMS Ribble continued with the (rest of) the convoy
crossing ahead from wing to wing; so possibly two ships or more.
I
don't know what the WW1 rules were on radio silence but a skipper
wouldn't be anxious to admit to having lost touch if he had a reasonable
expectation of getting back on station. I guess that there would have
been a fair amount of freedom allowed to the escorts to wander around,
and the convoy may not have noticed her absence in the dark, as there
were no alarms.
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HMS Ribble 6th July 1918 Malta to Port Said
"11.30 Negative ZZ. Carried out turning exercises
11.56 ZZ No. 2."
Now, are we all singing from the same navigation plot?
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HMS Ribble 10 July 1918 Port Said
"3.15 Discharged bullion to shore"
That's the first mention of it ...
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HMS Ribble 14 July 1918 Port Said
"2.15 Sent party to concert aboard French cruiser Cassard.
8.0 Concert party returned, Sent 2nd concert party to Cassard
12.0 concert party returned"
It's Bastille Day.
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HMS Ribble 17 July 1918 Port Said to Malta
The convoy has been trundling along around 7 knots;. HMS Ribble about 12.
The
convoy has "made good" 130 miles, Ribble has steamed 268 miles. That's
some zipping around. It looks like "ZZ No. 2" is far more "devious" than
the others previously employed.
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??? I'm totally confused now (easily done, I know). I thought
from your previous post that it was the zigzagging that caused Ribble to
become separated from her convoy? Couldn't they have found it
again just by radioing one of the ships and asking them where they were?
That was my reading.
I
fancy this may be the skipper's opinion: "I was the only one in step!" I
may be doing him a disservice but if the convoy stays together apart
from one escort ...
It's not clear how populous the convoy was. We
had escorts HMSs Wallflower & Usk who stayed with the stricken
Glaucus, while HMS Ribble continued with the (rest of) the convoy
crossing ahead from wing to wing; so possibly two ships or more.
I don't know what the WW1 rules were on radio silence
but a skipper wouldn't be anxious to admit to having lost touch if he
had a reasonable expectation of getting back on station. I guess that
there would have been a fair amount of freedom allowed to the escorts to
wander around, and the convoy may not have noticed her absence in the
dark, as there were no alarms.
That's
an interesting point - the only convoying ship I've worked on was
Mantua, and they always seemed to send a couple of WTOs (or similar) to
one of the convoy ships at the start who would then come back to the
Mantua on arrival at the destination. My assumption here was that
they wanted to be sure there was a reliable wireless operator on at
least one ship in the convoy. But what do I know? (no emoticon for
shrug, unfortunately)
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My assumption here was that they wanted to be sure there was a
reliable wireless operator on at least one ship in the convoy.
Not an answer to the communication riddle but, further information:
HMS Ribble 18 July 1918
"10.0 am. exercised night sound signals"
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The flu seems to have hit Venus, in Aden, Oct. 18,1918 - the
sick list for this time has 44. On the 19th, 42, and there seems
to be at least 1 death a day.
what an awful time for the world - :(
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37521/ADM53-37521-0238_0.jpg
"3.15 Football party landed"
I guess it's just what you do when you're British and in Zanzibar.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53229/ADM%2053-53229-128_1.jpg
Odin's
log keeper is not sure whether he is north or south of the equator. See
the 12 noon fixes which say 10 degrees North and the 8 am/8pm fixes
which both are around 10 degrees South.
In fact it should be
south as she is heading north from Mauritius to the Seychelles. It is a
hard job, but someone has to do it.
K
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53229/ADM%2053-53229-128_1.jpg
Odin's
log keeper is not sure whether he is north or south of the equator. See
the 12 noon fixes which say 10 degrees North and the 8 am/8pm fixes
which both are around 10 degrees South.
In fact it should be
south as she is heading north from Mauritius to the Seychelles. It is a
hard job, but someone has to do it.
K
Some zigzag patterns are more radical than others.
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And it never does any harm (in the light of recent experience) to apportion blame.
HMS Ribble 22 July 1918 Port Said to Malta (perhaps)
"Convoy keeping bad station during watch"
That's ZZ51 for you; and the dark.
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And on the 24th July
"10.40 Convoy carried out manoeuvres
11.25 Exercised manoeuvres by sound signals
11.35 Finished manoeuvres "
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To little effect? No, 28th July1918; different convoy:
"7.10 proc'd (from Syracuse)
7.17 waited for convoy
7.30 proc'd convoy 5 ships
8.50
SS Vesuvio torpedoed port side Sighted second torpedo passed between
Ribble & Vesuvio. Sighted periscope on port bow. Attacked submarine
at full speed. Dropped 4 depth charges & calcium light. Convoy
returned to Syracuse. Usk dropped 2 depth charges in vicinity of calcium
light and took off all survivors. Ribble & Usk patrolled danger
area.
10.45 Made fast 1 wire to rudder post of Vesuvio.
Wire parted at 11.5.
11.15
Sent Usk to intercept & divert a convoy to the SE'ard. Ribble
screened Italian tugs which were taking Vesuvio in tow. "
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HMS Ribble 8th August 1918 off Malta
"10.35 Put target on raft
10.39 Action stations, proc'd for "C" service firing
11.0 Opened fire
11.3 Cease fire
11.8 picked up target. Examined raft
11.10 Proc'd "
Do I detect an unlogged "Oops"?
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Maybe it was constructed to act like a shooting range target - lots
of nice holes showing how close they came to the bullseye!
(Why
do they always call that center target a "bull's eye"? Whoever
regularly tries to shoot bulls? Seems to me, that would only make
the farmer/rancher who was planning to breed more cows very mad at you,
seeing as most baby bulls get sold for veal anyway.)
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Maybe it was constructed to act like a shooting range target - lots of nice holes showing how close they came to the bullseye!
(Why do they always call that center target a "bull's eye"? ... )
That's
very charitable but only three minutes shooting. How many rounds would
be fired? I think they hit the raft and decided to call it a day. (Navy
Lark's Sub. Lt. Phillips would say "Ooh, nasty!")
As for
bullseye: when young, I was taken round a (probably) Tudor mansion and
noticed that the window panes had concentric rings and looking through
them made things look wiggly. Asking about this I was told that it was
bullseye glass, and the rings occurred because of the way the glass
cooled as it was poured into the mould, or something like that. That
explained the state of the glass and I didn't think to ask why it was
called a bullseye. I suppose it was because there was a blob in the
middle that protruded as a bull's eye seems to.
http://www.smithrestorationsash.com/images/detailbullseye.jpg
Perhaps the concentric rings in the glass were likened to those on targets.
Or
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Etymology-Meaning-Words-1474/Etymology-origin-phrase-word.htm
"10.
Naut. ?A little dark cloud, reddish in the middle, chiefly appearing
about the Cape of Good Hope? (Chambers Cycl. Supp. 1753), supposed to
portend a storm; hence the storm itself."
<shrug>
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http://ask.yahoo.com/20060607.html
Maybe this is why?
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It seems to be a similar shrugging reasoning; a bull's eye bulges but a bullseye on a target is flat.
<another shrug>
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Note to PTB - we really, really need an emoticon for "shrug"!
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Among others, yes. But with the stack of pressing needs on
the clipboards of Arfon and Stuart, my guess is emoticons are somewhere
on the back of the last page. 8D *
* Supposed to be a cheesy smile with sunglasses, but we don't seem to have an emoticon for that.
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Fair enough! I wouldn't want to see phase 2 of the project delayed just so we could have some new emoticons!
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Would they run that on Microsoft Portholes 3.0?
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HMS Ribble 7th Sept 1918 Malta
"5.0 Read warrant for deprivation of 1 G.C. Badge Stoker Sergison" (Good Conduct Badge)
Well there's not a lot to keep a stoker busy when the ship's in dry dock for a week.
I wonder what he did to make the Maltese Cross?
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:P ;D
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Usually things are lost overboard by accident. This time they were deliberately thrown overboard.
I could not identify the word after table.
Than Karlsruhe was chased but lost from sight. Her fate is tragic: November 4th she exploded and 129 men were saved by supply ships
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69477/ADM53-69477-031_0.jpg
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I think the word after table might be 'mess'?
Helen J
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Agree with HJ - it's "mess".
Than Karlsruhe was chased but lost from sight.
According to couple of sources, including http://www.worldwar1.co.uk/karlsruhe.html her captain was
Fregattenkapitan Kohler.
Any relation?
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As
for bullseye: when young, I was taken round a (probably) Tudor mansion
and noticed that the window panes had concentric rings and looking
through them made things look wiggly. Asking about this I was told that
it was bullseye glass, and the rings occurred because of the way the
glass cooled as it was poured into the mould, or something like that.
I
do know something about glass, although nothing that explains why they
called that a "bullseye" either. Making modern glass "floats"
(technical-speak for flat panes of glass) involves pouring molten glass
to float on a bed of molten metal - it allows the glass to spread out
flat with even thickness. The metal obviously can be recycled and
used for many batches. This is clearly too much to ask of 18th
century and earlier technologies. They blew the molten glass into a
big balloon, same as is still done for art bowls and such, and then
laid it into a form in a way that collapsed it, turning the balloon into
something flat. When cool, they would cut it up into square panes
to sell, and the pane that contained the distortions from having
touched the blow pipe was always the cheapest piece. They'd be
collected into their own packing crate and sold in sets. Therefore
appearing in lower class taverns or the like, where customers liked
light coming in while cold breezes were kept out and didn't complain
about the looks. (Smart customers, those - I like people like
that. ;) )
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I
do know something about glass, although nothing that explains why they
called that a "bullseye" either. Making modern glass "floats"
(technical-speak for flat panes of glass) involves pouring molten glass
to float on a bed of molten metal - it allows the glass to spread out
flat with even thickness. The metal obviously can be recycled and
used for many batches. This is clearly too much to ask of 18th
century and earlier technologies. They blew the molten glass into a
big balloon, same as is still done for art bowls and such, and then
laid it into a form in a way that collapsed it, turning the balloon into
something flat. When cool, they would cut it up into square panes
to sell, and the pane that contained the distortions from having
touched the blow pipe was always the cheapest piece. They'd be
collected into their own packing crate and sold in sets. Therefore
appearing in lower class taverns or the like, where customers liked
light coming in while cold breezes were kept out and didn't complain
about the looks. (Smart customers, those - I like people like
that. ;) )
Ah, yes. Pilkington's of St. Helens, 1950s molten tin float process.
No matter what the process, any glass is better than the old greasy paper.
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Agree with HJ - it's "mess".
Than Karlsruhe was chased but lost from sight.
According to couple of sources, including http://www.worldwar1.co.uk/karlsruhe.html her captain was
Fregattenkapitan Kohler.
Any relation?
Unfortunately
not, the only Kohlers I know lived at that time in Switzerland and none
of them were in foreign military. I will investigate to find out more
about him.
Thanks to both of you for your help.
Update: I
checked on his name and found out that the English write him as Kohler,
but the German spelling is K?hler which is a quite common family name in
Germany.
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I have spent a little time in glass bottle factories. They are
truely remarkable places. Great gobs of red hot glass seem to fly all
over the place, usually in a controlled manner.
Like many industries they have their own language for all the parts, processes and problems. Fascinating.
K
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From Odin's log 11 Sept 1920.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53230/ADM%2053-53230-016_0.jpg
A few weeks ago she recorded that the ship had received the news that she was to be paid off.
Then C in C comes aboard to say goodbye!!!!
K
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See the entry before 06.45
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53230/ADM%2053-53230-017_1.jpg
"Reeving Anchor gear and cat purchase. "
Fortunately I decided it was sensible to google "cat purchase" before posting something stupid about buying a new ships cat.
It seems that a cat purchase is an important part of the process of hoisting an anchor.
http://www.1902encyclopedia.com/A/ANC/anchor-05.html
K
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Nice work, Keith.
Clearly a "cat purchase" cannot be made in the same supermarket aisle as donkey saddles. ;D
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Unfortunately not, the only Kohlers I know lived at
that time in Switzerland and none of them were in foreign military. I
will investigate to find out more about him.
Update: I checked on his
name and found out that the English write him as Kohler, but the German
spelling is K?hler which is a quite common family name in Germany.
HK,
Because
of a wish to get the spelling of "Fregattenkapitan Kohler" correct, I
copied and pasted it. As with your post the umlauted "a" & "o" were
replaced by "?" so I substituted a plain "a" & "o". Whilst I like to
"get things right" there are limits to my determination. ;D
It's unlikely that the Swiss would go around sinking ships without a referendum. ;)
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There has been discussion of warrant officers and progression
through the ranks. Whilst looking for something completely different I
happened upon the following.
Caution - it is a ver-r-r-ry long treatise with lots of sidetracking links but containing lots of fascinating historical gems:
http://www.godfreydykes.info/THE%20ROYAL%20NAVY%20WARRANT%20OFFICER%20PART%20THREE.htm
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61884/ADM%2053-61884-010_0.jpg
I think several people missed the boat.
5.35 "HMS Topaze proceeded."
Then
6.40 "Two officers and 29 ratings from HMS Topaze arrived on board to await return of HMS Topaze to harbour"
She had only arrived the same morning so something must have happened to send her back out so quickly.
She came back the following day to pick them up!!!
K
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Kathy F once mentioned a high pressure reading on the Arlanza.
I guess this is it:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34127/ADM53-34127-010_0.jpg
Noon.
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HMS Ribble Gibraltar 1918
Having returned from hazardous convoy escort duty, she is safe in harbour (you know what's coming next)
18 Sept
"3.5 Stanchions on fxle and sponsons bent also Carley damaged by tug Bustler hauling off Rattlesnake"
20 Sept
"2.20
Tug Bustler alongside to shift ship alongside Rattlesnake, foremost
Berthon davit damaged also Berthon boat's keel cracked "
"Bustler", eh?
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What's in a name ! ;D
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What's in a name ! ;D
Indeed.
HMS Ribble 27 Sept 1918 Gibraltar to Malta
"11.45 (pm) Closed SS Stentor
& communicated
Nothing to report"
But she did it loudly
The
log keeper spread it over three lines, as above. I think he's
messing with me. He's the one that started the "Killer stations"
business, which continues.
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HMS Ribble 28 Sept 1918 Malta
Remember the three sounding machines we lost overboard? Well, we're now working on the cheaper option.
"Hand lead lost overboard"
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HMS Ribble 28 Sept 1918 Malta
"5.0 Part of watch left ship with effects of sick men
6.45 Part of watch returned
9.0 M.O. arrived on board to take samples of drinking water"
We don't seem to have many men reported sick but it's been quite a while since we cleaned out the fresh water tanks.
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Your Ribble seems to have more fender-benders and accidents than any
other three - could it be the effect of having just such an odd name
that throws the crew and all the surrounding tugboats off balance?
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Odd name ???
She's one of the River Class destroyers; the River Ribble runs through Preston in NW England and is a name that I've always known, so it didn't seem unusual to me. Now I think about it, I suppose it could seem odd to the uninitiated. :-\
There are a few strange names:
http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/river_class.htm
The River Class destroyers amounted to about one third of today's entire Royal Navy. :o
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There are a number of ship names in the RN that seemed designed to
emphasize how Americans and English don't speak the same language.
Ribble seems very odd while Chicago and Milwaukee seem normal.
And I know that will immediately reverse itself on the other side of the pond! ;D
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Your
Ribble seems to have more fender-benders and accidents than any other
three - could it be the effect of having just such an odd name that
throws the crew and all the surrounding tugboats off balance?
It does seem as if everyone is trying to reduce the Ribble to Rubble ;)
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Your
Ribble seems to have more fender-benders and accidents than any other
three - could it be the effect of having just such an odd name that
throws the crew and all the surrounding tugboats off balance?
It does seem as if everyone is trying to reduce the Ribble to Rubble ;)
Yes, King Neptune, Aeolus and our own side have caused us more harm than the enemy.
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Is this a record?! They've just recorded a barometric pressure of 99.96 on the Raven! (see Noon entry)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57308/ADM%2053-57308-065_0.jpg
It may have been, once upon a time, but HMS Ribble (yawn) 8.0 am:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57791/ADM%2053-57791-020_1.jpg
30% higher, not that I'm boasting.
<smug>
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:P
Typical!
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Well, I'm impressed. ;D
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HMS Ribble Malta 16 Oct 1918
"CPO Lyre, Ldg Stoker Birchell, Ldg Stoker MacCoy & Ldg Seamen Yendle presented with Orders by Japanese Admiral"
Very impressive delivery service. Shall we see an Italian Admiral delivering pizzas, next?
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Is this a record?! They've just recorded a barometric pressure of 99.96 on the Raven! (see Noon entry)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57308/ADM%2053-57308-065_0.jpg
It may have been, once upon a time, but HMS Ribble (yawn) 8.0 am:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57791/ADM%2053-57791-020_1.jpg
30% higher, not that I'm boasting.
<smug>
Just when they are airing night clothing :-\
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HMS Ribble Oct. 1918 Malta
"9.10 Recording party left ship
2.15 Recording party returned to ship"
#It's only me from over the sea ... #
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:o Wow! Have you been time traveling, and copying the logs in person?? :o
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Haven't mastered the time travel, yet. I was just very (well ... quite) young at that point.
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Avoca - 2 Sept 1917
10|- to 10|15 Ensign Half-mast.
No explanation
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Avoca - 2 Sept 1917
10|- to 10|15 Ensign Half-mast.
No explanation
In port? If so possibly a funeral involving another vessel. Otherwise ???
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HMS Ribble 30 Nov. 1918 Malta.
On 8th Nov 1918 we received 19 depth charges. I wondered whether we'd get a chance to use them before the 11th.
There
have been very few arrival or departures and little activity since the
8th and there has been nary a mention of the Armistice.
There have
been a few entries such as "Patrol House party landed" and "Picket House
party landed" and, naturally, "returned". No indication as to whether
they were "good" parties ...
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HMS Vindictive 18 June 1916
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67587/ADM%2053-67587-011_0.jpg
I've
not seen the numbers in the Church parties recorded before.
According to Wikipedia Vindictive had a complement of 480, so fewer than
half the crew attended church, though presumably they would not all
have been permitted to leave the ship at the same time.
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Avoca - 2 Sept 1917
10|- to 10|15 Ensign Half-mast.
No explanation
In port? If so possibly a funeral involving another vessel. Otherwise ???
Yes - Anc?n - so that is probably it. Frankly, it doesn't seem very long for the loss of a life :(
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HMS Usk 22nd December 1916 en-route from Malta to Suda Bay
10.0 Sighted ship in difficulty with lighter. 10 kts Co. as reqte for communicating with her.
10.30 Commenced firing at lighter as it was unsafe for navigation
11.05 Ceased firing resumed Co. & spd, lighter being sunk
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-66579/ADM%2053-66579-029_0.jpg
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Oops...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67201/ADM%2053-67201-017_0.jpg
"Collided
with dhow no 40483 showing no lights. Dhow was not seen until too late
to avert collision. Helm hard a port. Stop both engines. Full astern
both. Switched on searchlights + sent away seaboat. Crew of dhow taken
on board, at 10.30pm dhow sunk"
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Oops...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67201/ADM%2053-67201-017_0.jpg
"Collided
with dhow no 40483 showing no lights. Dhow was not seen until too late
to avert collision. Helm hard a port. Stop both engines. Full astern
both. Switched on searchlights + sent away seaboat. Crew of dhow taken
on board, at 10.30pm dhow sunk"
"Make Signal - HOW NOW BROWN DHOW - and keep repeating till there is a reply."
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HMS Ribble 28 Dec 1918 Plymouth
During the last couple of
months since the new skipper took over things have improved somewhat.
We've lost overboard only: 1 ramp (unspecified), 1 depth charge cover, 1
fog horn. Mind you we did spend a couple of weeks in Malta.
Now we are safe and sound, back in Blighty.
"1.20 Trot boat damaged propellor guard"
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HMS Suva, 11th April, 1917
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61882/ADM%2053-61882-008_1.jpg
"10.40 to 11.5 Seaplane in flight"
First of those I've seen mentioned in a log.
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Challenger worked with a seaplane off East Africa back in
1915. It seemed to be winched on and off its parent ship and
Challenger went closer in shore to support it. On one occasion she set
off to rescue it when it went down due to engine failure but the crew
got it going again. I must admit that this early date surprised me as
well.
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If you're interested in sea planes, montanaisaleg, HMS Raven II
among our ships is a seaplane carrier ship! However it has
non-standard logs so be sure you are comfortable with the regular
information first.
Example of Raven II log: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57309/ADM%2053-57309-065_0.jpg
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http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1704.0
Here's a
whole thread talking about it. There's me and muchdistressed (when she
gets back in August) working on it, with thursdaynext occasionally
stopping in every now and then. We could use our third transcriber!
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HMS Naneric 24 June 1918 convoy Mid-Atlantic
"Strong wind,
rough sea, s/s pitching and straining heavily & shipping large
quantities of water fore & aft. Carpenter working in admirals
bathroom "
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HMS Naneric 6 July 1918 N. Atlantic convoy
Curious action & signal:
"4.10 went full speed & hoisted disregard signal "
Which didn't become clear until a few lines further on:
"various speed & zig zags cruising round convoy from 4 -8 pm"
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HMS Naneric 7 July 1918 N. Atlantic convoy
"8.5 Eight American destroyers joined convoy"
Mixed feelings: the cavalry has arrived, that means we're about to hit real submarine territory.
HMS Naneric 8 July 1918 N. Atlantic convoy
"s/s Mars torpedoed @ 6.40 pm sank @ 6.52 pm two torpedoes used. 9 Depth charges dropped by US destroyers"
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HMS Naneric 9 July 1918 N. Atlantic convoy, Western Approaches
"2.25 (am) trawler on port bow showing green light
2.55 sighted convoy of 10 ships with destroyer escort steering westerly passed between our columns " :o
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As well as the well-known Sub Lieut Dallas, among the crew of the Arlanza is the wonderful Sub Lieut T. Le Pirouet.
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HMS Naneric 11 July 1918 London
(Home again, having passed HMS Arlanza heading stateside.)
"4.15 made fast frd (Tug boat Sun IV)
4.35 Made fast aft (Tug boat Sun V)
4.36 stop
4.38 full astern & let go port anchor - endeavouring to stop ship
4.39 collided with jetty & damaged same"
"Everybody down!" (yelled CPO Pertwee.)
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HMS Naneric 11 July 1918 London
(Home again, having passed HMS Arlanza heading stateside.)
"4.15 made fast frd (Tug boat Sun IV)
4.35 Made fast aft (Tug boat Sun V)
4.36 stop
4.38 full astern & let go port anchor - endeavouring to stop ship
4.39 collided with jetty & damaged same"
"Everybody down!" (yelled CPO Pertwee.)
Are you sure it's not you Bunts? After the curse of the Ribble ....
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D'you know; that thought had occurred to me. But, being of a modest
disposition, I didn't wish to appear to claim the credit. I decided to
leave it to other, very perceptive volunteers to decide ...
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Maybe you should try one more ship, and if it also keeps losing
things, running into things, and generally having a disastrous time,
we'll know what conclusions to draw. ;D
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Maybe
you should try one more ship, and if it also keeps losing things,
running into things, and generally having a disastrous time, we'll know
what conclusions to draw. ;D
You think that the online BCP may not be sufficiently persuasive?
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No, I'm not sure that's sufficient evidence of your good intentions - and anyway we all know where good intentions lead!
Mind you, I've just discovered a serious disaster on board Patuca; at 10.30am on 5th September 1915:
Cask Rum No 868 - 7 pints short. One does wonder what they were doing checking at 10.30am ...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-051_0.jpg
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HMS Naneric 11 July 1918 London
(Home again, having passed HMS Arlanza heading stateside.)
"4.15 made fast frd (Tug boat Sun IV)
4.35 Made fast aft (Tug boat Sun V)
4.36 stop
4.38 full astern & let go port anchor - endeavouring to stop ship
4.39 collided with jetty & damaged same"
"Everybody down!" (yelled CPO Pertwee.)
Are you sure it's not you Bunts? After the curse of the Ribble ....
What a remarkable coincidence ::)
Tell them to stock up on sounding machines (and leads) at their next port ;)
(I don't remember all these problems when I was on the M 31 with you - or did I miss that part? ;D)
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I don't remember all these problems when I was on the M 31 with you - or did I miss that part?
Remember that turkey I presented to the ship's cook?
I lied - it was an albatross.
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Er, no, I can't say that I do. Maybe I wasn't on board yet. ;D
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I just think you, Bunts, have an unequaled talent for finding the
clutzy ships - in all the thousands of log pages I've transcribed, none
of MY ships ever ran into jetty while towing no less than 2 tug boats!
;D
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Wasn't me, Miss. It was the dozy pilot. After this, he was sent back to the RAF and they replaced him with a sailor.
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Actually, it's not all that easy in a tidal river.
Some years
ago we hired a cruiser on the Norfolk Broads. (Stop giggling at the
back, there!). We travelled downstream to Great Yarmouth. There was an
ebb tide running at a tidy (oops!) lick. All the moorings were taken and
we had to double park. We did everything right; went further
downstream, spun the boat around and went against the current to moor.
We picked out a similar sized (30 foot) craft to secure to. I had the
bow rope and we held alongside to request permission to board. There was
no response so I reached across to hitch the rope. The helmsman closed
the throttle before I'd secured the rope and the boat began to be
carried away. Rope in hand, I leapt on to the other boat looking for a
bollard or mooring cleat as I was dragged along. The helmsman, laughing
uproariously at my gymnastics, opened the throttle and brought the boat
alongside again.
After the boat was secured, we were having a cuppa
and a smoke and chuckling about it. We heard a commotion and went on
deck to see what was up. As we emerged we saw another similar sized,
unoccupied craft with a dinghy tied to the stern cartwheeling
downstream. It was obviously set to collide with us or the boat upstream
from us, or both. In the event, as the cruiser turned the dinghy was
pushed alongside by the current and made contact with our neighbouring
boat, acting as a hazelwood (!) fender. It went a very strange shape and
then sprang back and flirted the cruiser clear of us.
"Shall we go after it?"
"It'll be miles away before we cast off and turn round."
"What if we catch it? Who's going to jump aboard?"
All collapsed in hysterics.
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I've never seen a tidal river in action in my life - tides on the
Great Lakes exist (I've seen them at work on beaches on family vacations
in Door County, Wisconsin) but are measured in inches and are much
weaker than any river flowing in. I take your word for it being a
force of nature - it's just the mental picture I had of your relatively
big ship dragging two tugs with her to their mutual doom. However
distressing it might be to be in the middle of, it's hilarious when
looking back at it from the past. ;D
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I've
never seen a tidal river in action in my life - tides on the Great
Lakes exist (I've seen them at work on beaches on family vacations in
Door County, Wisconsin) but are measured in inches and are much weaker
than any river flowing in. I take your word for it being a force
of nature - it's just the mental picture I had of your relatively big
ship dragging two tugs with her to their mutual doom. However
distressing it might be to be in the middle of, it's hilarious when
looking back at it from the past. ;D
I
haven't seen them either, and I LIVE just south of door county, going
into green bay all the time. (I never thought I'd hear my neighbor
county mentioned here. ;D)
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Hi, neighbor!!!
I'm born in Chicago, grew up in Milwaukee,
found my adult career back in Chicago, and still live in
Chicagoland. I still have family living near West Bend.
I've
lost count of the number of Door County vacations we had, but if you
are near the Kettle Moraine, you live in a very pretty place.
Totally free of tidal rivers. ;D
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I live a few hundred yards from the Thames in east London and the
tide raises the river level by about 18 feet so pretty energetic!
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As well as the well-known Sub Lieut Dallas, among the crew of the Arlanza is the wonderful Sub Lieut T. Le Pirouet.
Oh
yes! They were both on the Mantua before joining the Arlanza -
though I've always felt that Sub Lieut Le Pirouet should really have
been on HMS Toutou. ::)
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As well as the well-known Sub Lieut Dallas, among the crew of the Arlanza is the wonderful Sub Lieut T. Le Pirouet.
Oh
yes! They were both on the Mantua before joining the Arlanza -
though I've always felt that Sub Lieut Le Pirouet should really have
been on HMS Toutou. ::)
http://www.hark.com/clips/gwxgvcwfqx-short-drum-roll-with-cymbal-crash ;D
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HMS Naneric 15 Aug 1918 off Philadelphia
"8.48 pilot boarded & full away
8.55 stbd anchor slipped out through windlass comming out of gear
9.17 got anchor aboard & full away courses to pilots orders"
I think I detect a pattern.
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HMS Naneric 15 Aug 1918 Philadelphia
"speed & courses to pilots orders canting in river with assistance of 3 tug boats"
3 tugs. Lessons have been learned.
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HMS Naneric 16 Aug 1918 Philadelphia
"3.0pm Commenced loading @ No 4 hold
Sailors knocked off for the afternoon
4.0pm Commenced loading @ No 2 hold
5.45 Commenced loading @ No.1 hold
6.0 - 7.0pm ceased work for tea
Midnight to 1.0am ceased for supper
Day ends fine & clear"
Saturday 17th Aug. page missing.
Sunday 18th Aug.
"6.0 am Night gangs ceased work"
Slightly different work ethic from the unloading in London.
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HMS Vindictive 19 December 1916
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67591/ADM%2053-67591-012_1.jpg
1.00pm - 9 shovels lost overboard by accident
Now, how can you lose nine shovels by accident?
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I have now arrived on aircraft carrier Vindictive, January
1919. We have Captain Edgar Grace in command. I'm sure I've
seen somewhere that he was the son(? - some close relative anyway) of W G
Grace. Google is refusing to confirm this for me (perhaps I read
it in a book - remember them, what we used before the internet? ;D )
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HMS Vindictive 19 December 1916
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67591/ADM%2053-67591-012_1.jpg
1.00pm - 9 shovels lost overboard by accident
Now, how can you lose nine shovels by accident?
Considering the prevailing temperature - Avalanche?
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HMS Vindictive 19 December 1916
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67591/ADM%2053-67591-012_1.jpg
1.00pm - 9 shovels lost overboard by accident
Now, how can you lose nine shovels by accident?
I
suspect this should be 'accident'. It sounds to me like a cunning
plan to let the crew say 'we'd love to shovel the coal, captain, but
we've no shovels'. I remember a trip across the Persian Gulf where
every day one or more hand brushes were lost overboard (by accident, of
course) and I was sure that by the end of the trip scrubbing the deck
was going to be impossible - 'no hand brushes, captain, sorry'.
;)
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Second time of asking ... hope I can find it all, again.
If it doesn't work this time, I'm going to bed.
I
have now arrived on aircraft carrier Vindictive, January 1919. We
have Captain Edgar Grace in command. I'm sure I've seen somewhere
that he was the son(? - some close relative anyway) of W G Grace.
Google is refusing to confirm this for me (perhaps I read it in a book - remember them, what we used before the internet? ;D )
http://www.naval-history.net/WW1NavyBritishLGDecorations1920.htm
"The following Officers and Men have been mentioned in despatches:
Capt. Henry Edgar Grace, R.N. For valuable service in command of H.M.S. "Vindictive" during operations in the Gulf of Finland. "
http://genforum.genealogy.com/grace/messages/1548.html
"WG
Grace was born in Downend, Gloucestershire and his wife was Agnes N,
his father was Henry Mills Grace born in 1808 and his mother was Martha
born in 1813, he had 4 sisters and one brother
He had 2 sons, William G born in 1875 and Henry E born in 1877 and one daughter Agnes E born in 1879"
http://genforum.genealogy.com/grace/messages/1553.html
"after further research in the National Census and other internet postings, the following is the family of WG Grace
His father was Henry Mills Grace 1808-1871 a doctor
his mother was Martha nee Pocock 1813
his wife was Agnes N nee Day 1854
He had 4 brothers and 4 sisters
Henry 1833
Anne 1835
Fanny N 1839
Alfred 1840
Edward Mills 1841 - he had 4 wives and 18 children
Alice R 1845
Elizabeth G 1847
George Frederick 1850
he had 3 sons and 1 daughter
WG Grace 1874-1905
Henry Edgar 1876, he was a Vice Admiral and retired in 1932
Charles Butler 1882-1938
Agnes E 1879"
It must be true, 'cos it's on th'internet.
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HMS Naneric 28 Aug 1918 N. Atlantic convoy to London
"2.27 a/c 2 pts to stbd by wheeling Reduced speed 1kt.
3.20 a/c 2 pts to port by wheeling increased speed 1kt"
Variation on ZZ theme?
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HMS Naneric 28 Aug 1918 N. Atlantic convoy to London
"2.27 a/c 2 pts to stbd by wheeling Reduced speed 1kt.
3.20 a/c 2 pts to port by wheeling increased speed 1kt"
Variation on ZZ theme?
Sorry, was Naneric a paddle steamer? lgb
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HMS Usk 29th January 1917 Near Malta
Force 6-7 winds and sea
state of 5-6. Not terribly severe but she is only a small river class
destroyer (similar to HMS Ribble) and various items keep being
washed overboard:-
2 life buoys lost overboard
Burth~ boat washed overboard (Not sure what that first word is. Not something I recognise.)
After steering chain guard washed overboard
Depth charge parachute washed overboard
10 coal bags
Mushroom cover to engine room ventilator washed overboard
Signal balls lost overboard
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-66580/ADM%2053-66580-017_1.jpg
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LupusUK
Force 6-7 winds and sea state of 5-6. Not terribly
severe but she is only a small river class destroyer (similar to HMS
Ribble) and various items keep being washed overboard:-
"Guilt by association" eh?
Burth~ boat washed overboard (Not sure what that first word is. Not something I recognise.)
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=418.msg19428#msg19428 #181
"Some
time ago I came across an entry for "button boat". Couldn't find a
definition, couldn't make it read as anything that developed a relevant
definition, gave up. Now I've found someone whose writing is a little
clearer and I pursued different spellings, and found "Berthon boat":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berthon_Boat
Despite my recently enhanced suspicion of things wiki, I'm prepared to accept this."
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I think the boat is a Berthon Boat. They have come up a couple of times before in the Forum.
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=418.msg19428#msg19428
Hope this helps.
Second Again!!!
K
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Second Again!!!
That's my line. ;D
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HMS Naneric 28 Aug 1918 N. Atlantic convoy to London
"2.27 a/c 2 pts to stbd by wheeling Reduced speed 1kt.
3.20 a/c 2 pts to port by wheeling increased speed 1kt"
Variation on ZZ theme?
Sorry, was Naneric a paddle steamer? lgb
You just had to remind me of my chastening experience with paddle steamers, didn't you? ;D
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LupusUK
Force
6-7 winds and sea state of 5-6. Not terribly severe but she is only a
small river class destroyer (similar to HMS Ribble) and various
items keep being washed overboard:-
"Guilt by association" eh?
Burth~ boat washed overboard (Not sure what that first word is. Not something I recognise.)
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=418.msg19428#msg19428 #181
"Some
time ago I came across an entry for "button boat". Couldn't find a
definition, couldn't make it read as anything that developed a relevant
definition, gave up. Now I've found someone whose writing is a little
clearer and I pursued different spellings, and found "Berthon boat":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berthon_Boat
Despite my recently enhanced suspicion of things wiki, I'm prepared to accept this."
Thanks
Bunts (and Tegwen). I don't think I would have worked that out by
myself. Maybe I should pay more attention to the other forum posts
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HMS Suva, 14th July, 1917
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61884/ADM%2053-61884-010_0.jpg
7:30am: "Received two live sheep"
[EDIT]
Two days later
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61884/ADM%2053-61884-011_0.jpg
10:30: "Rec on board sixty live sheep, 336 lbs hay"
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Someone is looking forward to a whole lot of roast mutton dinners! ;D
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Someone is looking forward to a whole lot of roast mutton dinners! ;D
Or maybe they're going to knit a scarecrow.
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Someone is looking forward to a whole lot of roast mutton dinners! ;D
Or maybe they're going to knit a scarecrow.
Bah
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Someone is looking forward to a whole lot of roast mutton dinners! ;D
Or maybe they're going to knit a scarecrow.
Bah
You
called?
(http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.ukhandknitting.com/jpeg_images_07/Shaun%2520The%2520Sheep%25202/Shaun%2520-%2520Knitting1%2520copy%25201%2520.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.ukhandknitting.com/data/shaun_the_sheep.htm&usg=__fOZPDMepCeU-MuL8DvUmrpbPpTs=&h=968&w=1000&sz=351&hl=en&start=7&zoom=1&tbnid=Ak6eT-sruC3OBM:&tbnh=144&tbnw=149&ei=YZEUTuqdNcSg8QOrk_T7Bw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dshaun%2Bthe%2Bsheep%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1024%26bih%3D677%26addh%3D36%26output%3Dimages_json%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1)
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Someone is looking forward to a whole lot of roast mutton dinners! ;D
Or they're going to use them as alternate ammunition: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ8jGqdE2iw
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Suva, 23rd July, 1917
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61884/ADM%2053-61884-014_1.jpg
5:30: "On taking ships draft aft tip of one propellor blade was observed to be broken off"
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HMS Southampton 28th July 1920
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-60721/ADM%2053-60721-103_1.jpg
Ship open to Schools of Santa Fe.
Awww ! :D
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Which Santa Fe? Santa Fe, New Mexico in landlocked and, according to Google Maps, so is Santa Fe, Argentina.
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Which Santa Fe? Santa Fe, New Mexico in landlocked and, according to Google Maps, so is Santa Fe, Argentina.
Google, shmoogle.
A
couple of days earlier she was at Rosario, where there is a port, so it
will have been Santa Fe Argentina - River Plate. (A happy hunting
ground for the Royal Navy.)
http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/samerica/ar.htm
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Thanks - we're clearly on a river boat again, or this is a very wide, deep river.
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Looks like the latter:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Southampton_(1912)
The
River Plate estuary is very wide. In 1939 the Admiralty was concerned
that the Graf Spee would be able to leave Montevideo and elude HMSs Ajax
and Achilles who were lying off the estuary in the hope (fear) of
intercepting her.
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River Plate: 35 30S, 56 5W.
Did I ever mention that Macedonia spent a lot of time there?
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HMS Suva, 14th July, 1917
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61884/ADM%2053-61884-010_0.jpg
7:30am: "Received two live sheep"
[EDIT]
Two days later
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61884/ADM%2053-61884-011_0.jpg
10:30: "Rec on board sixty live sheep, 336 lbs hay"
More sheep!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61885/ADM%2053-61885-006_1.jpg
Aug 7, 1917: "Sixty sheep and 2000 pounds of hay"
So
it takes about 3 weeks (July 16 to Aug 7) for the crew of Suva to eat
60 sheep, but apparently 336 lbs of hay wasn't enough for the sheep.
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Well ... we don't know that they ate them. Maybe the captain's descended from Noah.
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Or they were given to other ships (they never specify what sort of stores are being transferred when that happens).
Wouldn't
be much fun to be a sheep on a ship for 3 weeks, but they should at
least be happy that "sheep on a ship" is fun to say.
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Someone is looking forward to a whole lot of roast mutton dinners! ;D
Or maybe they're going to knit a scarecrow.
Bah
No, you clearly have an echo on your computer
You
called?
(http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.ukhandknitting.com/jpeg_images_07/Shaun%2520The%2520Sheep%25202/Shaun%2520-%2520Knitting1%2520copy%25201%2520.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.ukhandknitting.com/data/shaun_the_sheep.htm&usg=__fOZPDMepCeU-MuL8DvUmrpbPpTs=&h=968&w=1000&sz=351&hl=en&start=7&zoom=1&tbnid=Ak6eT-sruC3OBM:&tbnh=144&tbnw=149&ei=YZEUTuqdNcSg8QOrk_T7Bw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dshaun%2Bthe%2Bsheep%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1024%26bih%3D677%26addh%3D36%26output%3Dimages_json%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1)
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Suva, 11 Aug 1917
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61885/ADM%2053-61885-008_1.jpg
Visted Ras Makalla (Yemen): "5.30 Capt and military officer proceeded to visit Sultan at Palace"
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In polishing off the last few pages for Venus, I ran across these:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67203/ADM%2053-67203-018_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67203/ADM%2053-67203-018_1.jpg
Not too exciting, but different at least. :)
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maybe we can get Janet to put the pages together for us - I'd like to read that list ;D
PLEASE JANET, WORK YOUR MAGIC! (emoticon for begging here)
Kathy
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One magic hat coming up, producing an interesting Loss Voucher! ;D
Actually, any screen capture program that will let you save the picture as a sticky-note lets you do this easily.
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I know, but it is like having someone cook for you - it is better ;D
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;D
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I know, but it is like having someone cook for you - it is better ;D
Especially if you don't know what a saucepan looks like.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38087/ADM%2053-38087-006_1.jpg
See the 7.00 pm entry. Overtaken by HMD Speedy bound NW.
Wikipedia
reports that the S class destroyers had a top speed of 36knots. They
look just a bit faster than Clio's max of 14 (on a good day, downhill
with the wind behind her). They carried similar armament, to the Cadmus
sloops plus some torpedoes for good measure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S_class_destroyer_%281916%29
Whoosh, Sounds of steam horns, splash of wake, "***** Seahog!!!!"
Perhaps that was the moment poor old Clio came to the conclusion that she was just a little out of date!!
K
PS Realised since I posted it that this ought to have gone into the HMS Clio thread, sorry.
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HMS Naneric 9 Nov. 1918. N. Atlantic convoy.
"0.40 Huge flame burst out of Guides funnel "
Annoyingly, no further info.
More rum gone missing?
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HMS Bee:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-71157/ADM%2053-71157-0003_1.jpg
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HMS Bee:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-71157/ADM%2053-71157-0003_1.jpg
Elegant!
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HMS Bee:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-71157/ADM%2053-71157-0003_1.jpg
Elegant!
Yes; embossed stationery. 8)
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HMS Naneric 9 Nov. 1918. N. Atlantic convoy.
"0.40 Huge flame burst out of Guides funnel "
Annoyingly, no further info.
More rum gone missing?
Patuca seems to have moved on to losing stokers rather than rum ....
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Interesting sea temperature at 8pm .... :o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37522/ADM53-37522-0014_1.jpg
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Southampton, June 28, 1920
Lost overboard by accident 38lb cabbage
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-60721/ADM%2053-60721-088_1.jpg
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That is one very big cabbage.
I cant grow them bigger than about 10lbs. ;)
K
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Interesting sea temperature at 8pm .... :o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37522/ADM53-37522-0014_1.jpg
77? It's consistent with the previous sea temperatures :-\
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I think she was including the 8 from 8:00 ???
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That is one very big cabbage.
I cant grow them bigger than about 10lbs. ;)
K
And I suspect its loss was no accident. ;) ;D
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From the Southampton -
Please see the afternoon entry -
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-60721/ADM%2053-60721-095_0.jpg
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From the Southampton -
Please see the afternoon entry -
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-60721/ADM%2053-60721-095_0.jpg
I've seen my ships open to visitors a few times. What is the noon entry ???
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From the Southampton -
Please see the afternoon entry -
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-60721/ADM%2053-60721-095_0.jpg
I've seen my ships open to visitors a few times. What is the noon entry ???
Usual Leave
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Thanks. I can - just barely - see it now that you have told me.
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I think she was including the 8 from 8:00 ???
Ooops ! :P Not really a mondegreen, just a mistake ...
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Suva, 31st August, 1917
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61885/ADM%2053-61885-018_1.jpg
"0.25 SS Race Fisher signalled, 'Want immediate assistance am ashore."
All was well a day later.
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Suva, 31st August, 1917
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61885/ADM%2053-61885-018_1.jpg
"0.25 SS Race Fisher signalled, 'Want immediate assistance am ashore."
All was well a day later.
"Race Fisher" & "River Fisher" - 2 ships?
"11.15 commenced dragging ... "
No wonder assistance was needed; going ashore all dragged up like that.
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From Clio's log
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38089/ADM%2053-38089-017_0.jpg
"One paint brush lost overboard by neglect. 1/4 charge made."
That'll teach him to be more careful with his paint brushes.
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Someone got caught throwing his!!! ;D
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Suva, 31st August, 1917
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61885/ADM%2053-61885-018_1.jpg
"0.25 SS Race Fisher signalled, 'Want immediate assistance am ashore."
All was well a day later.
"Race Fisher" & "River Fisher" - 2 ships?
Yeah,
seemed a bit suspicious to me too, but the handwriting is very
clear. Maybe they were built or finished at the same time by the
same company/country, so they named them similarly, like the Titanic,
Brittanic, and Olympic, sorta.
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1. From http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=109433
The
RACE FISHER (Official No.93430) was a steel-hulled 494-ton steam cargo
vessel that measured: 173.5 x 26.1. McIlwaine & McColl, Ltd.,
Belfast built and completed her as Yard No.49 in June 1992 (sic); she
was launched on 30 April 1892 for J. Fisher & Sons, Barrow. Single
screw powered by a 3-cylinder triple expansion steam engine that used
one boiler.
She was wrecked on 30th January 1919 in Stratoni Bay, while in Admiralty charter as a Fleet Messenger
2. From http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuilt/viewship.asp?id=6839
ss RIVER FISHER built by John Fullerton & Company Paisley, Yard No 148, Last Name: SAINT ELME (1928)
Propulsion: steam, single screw
Launched: Tuesday, 11/07/1899
Built: 1899
Ship Type: Cargo ship, Tonnage: 457 grt, Length: 168.0 feet (LPP), Breadth: 25.3 feet
Owner History:
James Fisher & Sons, Barrow
1928 Raglan Shipping Co., Cardiff
1928 S.Gaubert, Marseille
1930 Cie Navale du Midi, Marseille
1936 G.Raymond (Cie Sud-Maritime), Maritime
Status: Wrecked - 08/04/1936
She was requisitioned during WW1 as an ammunition carrier.
There is a picture of her here, but if you can make out which one she is you are a mind reader!!
http://lanternimages.lancashire.gov.uk/index.php?a=wordsearch&s=item&key=Wczo5OiJsYW5jYXN0ZXIiOw==&pg=672
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All was well a day later.
"Race Fisher" & "River Fisher" - 2 ships?
[/quote]
Yeah,
seemed a bit suspicious to me too, but the handwriting is very
clear. Maybe they were built or finished at the same time by the
same company/country, so they named them similarly, like the Titanic,
Brittanic, and Olympic, sorta.
[/quote]
Sorry if I appeared
to doubt you. It was not my intention. It was only by looking at the
page that I noticed the second. As Keith discovered, though not built by
the same yard, they were in the same ownership. (no pun intended)
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1. River FISHER (Official No.93430)
http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuilt/viewship.asp?id=6839
2. Race Fisher
http://lanternimages.lancashire.gov.uk/image.php?i=34388&r=2&t=4&x=1
There is a picture of her here, but if you can make out which one she is you are a mind reader!!
Brilliant job, Keith.
I have consulted the Tarot cards so I can say that #2 photo is SS Race Fisher.
#1 has the name "River" shown on the photo; she has three masts all of different heights and the wheelhouse fwd of the mainmast.
#2
not named, has just two masts of approximately the same height, with
the wheelhouse amidships, and a seemingly higher prow, which doesn't
look as though it's due to her possibly being unladen.
Your post condensed for clarity, hope you don't mind.
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Sorry Bunts, (and others) I think I have messed up the links in that post above, which has added to the confusion.
The
picture from the Lancashire Lantern site is definitely of Race Fisher,
not River Fisher. I put it in the wrong section. Also I should have put a
link to this page which includes the general notes.
http://lanternimages.lancashire.gov.uk/index.php?a=wordsearch&s=item&key=WczoxMToiUmFjZSBGaXNoZXIiOw==&pg=1
The
general notes show clearly that Race Fisher is one of the 5 vessels in
the picture. It is just not clear which, but I think you are right
Bunts, it is probably the larger one second from the right with the high
prow.
Sorry for any confusion.
No problem with the condensation Bunts. As you have noticed brevity is not my strong point.
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From the Mantua -
could someone please tell me what the 11:30 entry says (it is something about the guard) ???
The King passed the ship :o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48275/ADM%2053-48275-011_1.jpg
Kathy W.
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11:30 Uncover guns
11:45 Hands fall in, Guard fall in and man ship
I read lgb
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That's how I read it too (with all my years of experience of the Mantua's logs ;D ) I feel quite nostalgic now!
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HMS Vindictive, 6 July 1919, heading for Reval:
7.20am Commenced sounding every 10 minutes
8.20am Sounding every 5 minutes
(You know what's coming next, don't you?)
5.32pm Grounded on Middel Grund
They
didn't get her refloated till 14 July - after taking off the stores,
the ammunition, the coal, the doors, the planes, 145 ratings - basically
everything that could possibly be removed, was. Of course, now
they have to get it all back on again ...
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HMS Naneric, 8th January 1919, South Shields
for a "refit" which is, probably, being conducted with big hammers, to return her to civilian status.
Less than two months after the Armistice and things are returning to normal:
"No work done owing to strike.
Repairs & alterations being carried out by apprentices & the few trades that are working. "
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HMS Vindictive, 6 July 1919, heading for Reval:
7.20am Commenced sounding every 10 minutes
8.20am Sounding every 5 minutes
(You know what's coming next, don't you?)
5.32pm Grounded on Middel Grund
They
didn't get her refloated till 14 July - after taking off the stores,
the ammunition, the coal, the doors, the planes, 145 ratings - basically
everything that could possibly be removed, was. Of course, now
they have to get it all back on again ...
Sounds like a ship for Bunts ;) ;D
I'm sure it was pure coincidence that the next post was from him...
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Thanks all - now I can read it ;D
I really was spoiled by the log keepers on the Foxglove and the Venus ;D
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Suva, 12 Sept 1917 at Suez
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61886/ADM%2053-61886-009_0.jpg
Around 8:00am: "secured to buoys fore and aft and breast lines to dolphins"
I assume "dolphins" doesn't mean actual dolphins. Navy/sea slang for something?
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From my mac dictionary
a bollard, pile, or buoy for mooring.
lgb
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HMS Vindictive, 6 July 1919, heading for Reval:
7.20am Commenced sounding every 10 minutes
8.20am Sounding every 5 minutes
(You know what's coming next, don't you?)
5.32pm Grounded on Middel Grund
They
didn't get her refloated till 14 July - after taking off the stores,
the ammunition, the coal, the doors, the planes, 145 ratings - basically
everything that could possibly be removed, was. Of course, now
they have to get it all back on again ...
Sounds like a ship for Bunts ;) ;D
I'm sure it was pure coincidence that the next post was from him...
Yep, coincidence.
HMS Vindictive is a hedgehog. I associate with foxes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hedgehog_and_the_Fox
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HMS Naneric, South Shields, 24 Jan 1919,
(after weeks of removing guns, fittings, Admiralty woodwork) ("lumper" = stevedore, docker)
"5am lumpers boarded & commenced unmooring
6am pilot arrived
6.30am Tugs Conqueror, George V, Corsair & Washington arrived.
Proceeded towards Jarrow (drydock).
7.45 arrived entrance to dock (draft at dock 16' 2" at high water) there not being enough water to enter moored vessel to buoys
Tugs & pilot left,
lumpers left after mooring.
1.45pm received orders to return to South Shields.
2pm lumpers arrived
4.30pm Orders for shifting cancelled, lumpers left
5.pm received orders to shift to Shields at 8am"
Good job we had an early start. Hurry up and wait.
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Suva, 21 Sept 1917 at Akaba
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61886/ADM%2053-61886-013_1.jpg
"6.45 Observed enemy aircraft, sounded anti-aircraft stations"
"Secure" 15 minutes later.
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Suva, 22 Sept 1917, Akaba
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61886/ADM%2053-61886-014_0.jpg
"11.30 Received on board four horses"
I guess the sheep needed company.
As
an aside, it's apparently somewhat difficult to type "horses" instead
of "hourses" in the phrase "board four horses." I mis-typed it 2
or 3 times.
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HMS Vindictive, 6 July 1919, heading for Reval:
7.20am Commenced sounding every 10 minutes
8.20am Sounding every 5 minutes
(You know what's coming next, don't you?)
5.32pm Grounded on Middel Grund
They
didn't get her refloated till 14 July - after taking off the stores,
the ammunition, the coal, the doors, the planes, 145 ratings - basically
everything that could possibly be removed, was. Of course, now
they have to get it all back on again ...
Sounds like a ship for Bunts ;) ;D
I'm sure it was pure coincidence that the next post was from him...
Yep, coincidence.
HMS Vindictive is a hedgehog. I associate with foxes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hedgehog_and_the_Fox
OK,
I'll take the bait. Can't quite see how this hedgehog/fox thing
can apply to ships - so what makes Vindictive a hedgehog in your
opinion?
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HMS Vindictive, 6 July 1919, heading for Reval:
7.20am Commenced sounding every 10 minutes
8.20am Sounding every 5 minutes
(You know what's coming next, don't you?)
5.32pm Grounded on Middel Grund
They
didn't get her refloated till 14 July - after taking off the stores,
the ammunition, the coal, the doors, the planes, 145 ratings - basically
everything that could possibly be removed, was. Of course, now
they have to get it all back on again ...
Sounds like a ship for Bunts ;) ;D
I'm sure it was pure coincidence that the next post was from him...
Yep, coincidence.
HMS Vindictive is a hedgehog. I associate with foxes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hedgehog_and_the_Fox
OK,
I'll take the bait. Can't quite see how this hedgehog/fox thing
can apply to ships - so what makes Vindictive a hedgehog in your
opinion?
I'm glad I'm not the only one with a question. I fear Bunts is far too subtle for me :(
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HMS Vindictive, 6 July 1919, heading for Reval:
7.20am Commenced sounding every 10 minutes
8.20am Sounding every 5 minutes
(You know what's coming next, don't you?)
5.32pm Grounded on Middel Grund
They
didn't get her refloated till 14 July - after taking off the stores,
the ammunition, the coal, the doors, the planes, 145 ratings - basically
everything that could possibly be removed, was. Of course, now
they have to get it all back on again ...
Sounds like a ship for Bunts ;) ;D
I'm sure it was pure coincidence that the next post was from him...
Yep, coincidence.
HMS Vindictive is a hedgehog. I associate with foxes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hedgehog_and_the_Fox
OK,
I'll take the bait. Can't quite see how this hedgehog/fox thing
can apply to ships - so what makes Vindictive a hedgehog in your
opinion?
Being aground for 8 days and disassembled is a very big thing that HMS Vindictive knows.
Losing
Berthon boats, sounding machines, shell cases, and breaking stanchions
are small things that HMSs Ribble, Naneric, Severn ... know.
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HMS Naneric, 25 Jan 1919, Jarrow
"8am Pilot & riggers aboard
9.45am Tugs Conqueror, George V, Washington & Ben Ledi arrived.
Cast off & proceeded towards South Shields
0.45pm vessel securely moored fore & aft alongside s/s Newquay at Brighams wharf.
Pilot, tugs & lumpers left. "
Second time lucky.
All the tugs, bar George V, were paddle steamers and (though not in Gwen Cooper's class) look too pretty to be tugs.
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OK,
I'll take the bait. Can't quite see how this hedgehog/fox thing
can apply to ships - so what makes Vindictive a hedgehog in your
opinion?
I
had to look up the link, because I'd never heard the phrase
before. I must admit I am inherently a fox - reveling in learning
all the little details of this wonderful world, and then thinking like a
generalist in applying each detail to a lot of different situations. ;D
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OK,
I'll take the bait. Can't quite see how this hedgehog/fox thing
can apply to ships - so what makes Vindictive a hedgehog in your
opinion?
I
had to look up the link, because I'd never heard the phrase
before. I must admit I am inherently a fox - reveling in learning
all the little details of this wonderful world, and then thinking like a
generalist in applying each detail to a lot of different situations. ;D
I have no choice in the matter. My Winnie the Pooh style brain could not encompass a large thing.
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HMS Naneric, 28th Jan 1919, South Shields
The "Iron workers" are still on strike and now:
"9am shore gang arrived & rigged gear for discharging coal from No.3,
owing to dispute over prices discharging not commenced, gang returned ashore"
I've
not had a weather reading to enter for two OW months now and I may have
two more months to go. I sincerely hope that this will get the ship up
to 100%. It's pretty soul destroying to read "Remarks" like "Day begins
fresh breeze and cloudy" and "Day ends calm & overcast" but nothing
in the appropriate columns. I wouldn't wish this on anybody else. Well
... except for
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HMS Naneric 1st Feb 1919, South Shields
"Received orders to shift vessel on Monday morning to Jarrow for purpose of discharging bunker coal from No.3 hatch"
Attempt at strike breaking? We'll see how that works.
Ah. I suppose the dispute could be between the Admiralty and the local management.
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HMS Avoca
Longest wind description?
Calms + Light airs SSWly breezes
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Suva, 27 Sept 1917
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61886/ADM%2053-61886-016_1.jpg
"5.15 Stop and full ast ship grounded on shoal"
After
two days of pumping out fresh water tanks, dropping ballast, and using
anchor and engine to try to get off the shoal, they succeeded.
28th Sept: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61886/ADM%2053-61886-017_0.jpg
29th Sept: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61886/ADM%2053-61886-017_1.jpg
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HMS Naneric 11 March 1919 Wallsend
"Vessel redelivered to owners at noon this day.
Bunker coal on board 194 tons American new river coal.
R. Rodger R.N.R. Commanding Officer"
It has taken just short of four months to restore her to pre-war condition.
In the last three of those I managed to enter exactly one weather reading from the lengthy notes in the "Remarks" column:
"10.30am ceased work owing to heavy snow".
Phew!
And next we have ...
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"R. Rodger R.N.R. Commanding Officer"
Would that be Roger Rodger?
Over Over!
Surely you dont mean that. I do and stop calling me Shirley.
Ah the old ones are the best!!
K
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HMS Vindictive, 6 July 1919, heading for Reval:
7.20am Commenced sounding every 10 minutes
8.20am Sounding every 5 minutes
(You know what's coming next, don't you?)
5.32pm Grounded on Middel Grund
They
didn't get her refloated till 14 July - after taking off the stores,
the ammunition, the coal, the doors, the planes, 145 ratings - basically
everything that could possibly be removed, was. Of course, now
they have to get it all back on again ...
Sounds like a ship for Bunts ;) ;D
I'm sure it was pure coincidence that the next post was from him...
Yep, coincidence.
HMS Vindictive is a hedgehog. I associate with foxes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hedgehog_and_the_Fox
OK,
I'll take the bait. Can't quite see how this hedgehog/fox thing
can apply to ships - so what makes Vindictive a hedgehog in your
opinion?
Being aground for 8 days and disassembled is a very big thing that HMS Vindictive knows.
Losing
Berthon boats, sounding machines, shell cases, and breaking stanchions
are small things that HMSs Ribble, Naneric, Severn ... know.
Ah, but Vindictive knows lots of little things as well!
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Ah, but Vindictive knows lots of little things as well!
OK.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
I introduce to you Vindictive - the one and only Foxhog!
Time for me to hibernate, I think. ;)
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I have a drinking problem ;D
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Suva, 27 Sept 1917
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61886/ADM%2053-61886-016_1.jpg
"5.15 Stop and full ast ship grounded on shoal"
After
two days of pumping out fresh water tanks, dropping ballast, and using
anchor and engine to try to get off the shoal, they succeeded.
28th Sept: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61886/ADM%2053-61886-017_0.jpg
29th Sept: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61886/ADM%2053-61886-017_1.jpg
Note who made the post following the above ;)
I'm sure it was pure coincidence that the next post was from him... Again ;D
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67607/ADM%2053-67607-120_0.jpg
See midnight entry. A senior moment, perhaps.
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A good night maybe?
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From Raven II
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57310/ADM%2053-57310-015_1.jpg
2:55PM
Hoisting in seaplane No 2775 fall parted on No 2. topping lift causing
derrick to fall and damage Seaplanes No. 3775 and 3722
And they just had an accident a few days ago! >:(
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67607/ADM%2053-67607-120_0.jpg
See midnight entry. A senior moment, perhaps.
Homesick Australian?
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I've seen similar before - it must be a copied log!!! Surely
any young man standing around at midnight would know the difference! ;D
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I've
seen similar before - it must be a copied log!!! Surely any young
man standing around at midnight would know the difference! ;D
Even when he's in the Land of the Midnight Sun? (Finland, I think.)
With set times for entries, I would enter the times when starting the page; or perhaps finishing the previous page.
"Here's your cocoa, Sir."
"Oh, that's welcome. Thank you. Where was I ... "
ps.
I've seen it, too; but haven't transcribed it. :-\ Probably because there was nothing reported there.
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If the sun's still up, anything's possible! :)
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And if it never dips below the yard-arm ... ::)
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I've
seen similar before - it must be a copied log!!! Surely any young
man standing around at midnight would know the difference! ;D
Actually, I'm not sure that it is
a copied log ... and I've been wondering about this. The log book
had a blue cover, and it is not a monthly log book. It covers
around a year, if I remember rightly. On the other hand it has
been almost entirely completed by Lieutenant Scrawl, apart from the late
night entries which are in a different handwriting. Occasionally
Lieutenant Scrawl disappears for a few days and someone else writes the
log (to my great joy). Did they still do the monthly copy log
books once the war was over? What I'm wondering is whether they
actually had three log books - a rough copy, then the actual log book
made up from the rough draft (which would be what I have here), then the
monthly copy that went to the Admiralty?
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My understanding, from our OW naval experts and my transcribing
experience to date, is that the thick multi-month logbooks are always
the original logs. These may vary in length, depending where and
when they were produced, anything from 1 or 2 months to a year or
more. The whole set stayed with the ship until the specified
voyage was over, when the set would be turned in to the admiralty.
(This was confirmed on the intro pages to my destroyer Torch logs - the
admiralty at Egmont, Malta, signed on receiving them when the first
crew was paid off at the end of that voyage. The dates received
covered a more than a year, and both the captain she had had at the
start and the captain she had at the end had also signed the same page,
the first when it was started and the second at the end.) Every
ship made a monthly fair copy and mailed it to the admiralty at the
first opportunity, so that there would be an off-site backup, as it
were, of the ship's voyage if she should be lost in either battle or
storm.
This makes complete and total sense to me, just like
backing up my computer does, when I remember to do it. If I
remembered any part of this wrong, please correct me.
If your
ship has different handwriting late at night, I would think it is not a
rewrite of the rough draft. That wouldn't make sense. But I
don't know how that would have really worked, to keep the same logkeeper
for something like 18 hours a day.
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But I don't know how that would have really worked, to keep the same logkeeper for something like 18 hours a day.
Cocoa.
(Which
could conceivably have been the chocolate
(http://www.subsim.com/radioroom//showthread.php?t=127918) that went
overboard.)
Thanks for taking the trouble on that. I had pondered the logistics of books, handwriting ...
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I thought the log books were handed over whenever a ship was in a
suitable port, or when it met a ship headed for a suitable port? I know
that as far as the Laurentic is concerned, only the last month's logs
were missing, which went down with the ship. All the previous log books
had been handed over.
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That is precisely the point of the fair copied monthlies - we will
never see her original logs for that last voyage, and without the
backups all of the data and history you've been transcribing would be
forever destroyed. But for reference, especially for things like
disciplinary actions, the original really needs to stay with that crew
until they are officially paid off.
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This is exactly why I've been puzzling over these logs. It
certainly doesn't seem feasible that Lt Scrawl should be on duty for so
many hours a day, but it's definitely not the monthly copy log
books. Also there are what look like transcription errors - Lt W
Taylor, when it was actually Lt N Taylor, for example. That's why
I've postulated that there were three versions - one written up as it
happened on the watch, then this one which was copied up by Lt Scrawl
but which also stayed with the ship, then the monthly copies which went
to the Admiralty.
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Seems rather harsh - 'Discharged 1 rating to Crocodile' ! :o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-37518/ADM%2053-37518-013_0.jpg
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8) ;D
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Seems rather harsh - 'Discharged 1 rating to Crocodile' ! :o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-37518/ADM%2053-37518-013_0.jpg
Is the ship you are on "The Jolly Roger" and can you post the co-ordinates for Neverland if they are available lgb
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Seems rather harsh - 'Discharged 1 rating to Crocodile' ! :o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-37518/ADM%2053-37518-013_0.jpg
Is the ship you are on "The Jolly Roger" and can you post the co-ordinates for Neverland if they are available lgb
:D :D
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Equal rights for all?
Lieut Commander Davis left ship in command of Porpoise
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-37518/ADM%2053-37518-015_0.jpg
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Equal rights for all?
Lieut Commander Davis left ship in command of Porpoise
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-37518/ADM%2053-37518-015_0.jpg
There's nothing fishy about that.
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An animal theme is rapidly developing on board Challenger - I've
just discovered that they have a steam lighter named 'Mole'. It
doesn't seem a very suitable name somehow ...
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HMS Sirius, 29 Nov. 1917, off Nigeria.
"9.0 dropped target; ex. GQs proc'd as req. to carry out practice from all guns including maxims.
Sighted white object which proved to be a dead whale. "
And what was the condition of the whale at 8.55?
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I
thought the log books were handed over whenever a ship was in a
suitable port, or when it met a ship headed for a suitable port? I know
that as far as the Laurentic is concerned, only the last month's logs
were missing, which went down with the ship. All the previous log books
had been handed over.
A follow up: Tegwen just posted these links, and these kind of pages show only
in original logs, not the monthly copies. It not only dates the
length of the voyage, it gives a wonderful description of the ship, her
equiqment and armament.
HMS Clio:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38067/C2-ADM53-38067-0002_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38067/C2-ADM53-38067-0003_1.jpg
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Fascinating, I've never come across pages like those in the ships that I've transcribed.
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I found those pages for sloop Torch; the captain's signature at the
top is a different name than the captain's signature at the
bottom. (Her captain and most of her crew were paid off early and
sent off to war. She was sailed back to Aukland and her retirement
by an RNVR crew.)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63330/ADM%2053-63330-004_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63330/ADM%2053-63330-005_1.jpg
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I
thought the log books were handed over whenever a ship was in a
suitable port, or when it met a ship headed for a suitable port? I know
that as far as the Laurentic is concerned, only the last month's logs
were missing, which went down with the ship. All the previous log books
had been handed over.
A follow up: Tegwen just posted these links, and these kind of pages show only
in original logs, not the monthly copies. It not only dates the
length of the voyage, it gives a wonderful description of the ship, her
equiqment and armament.
HMS Clio:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38067/C2-ADM53-38067-0002_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38067/C2-ADM53-38067-0003_1.jpg
The Vindictive logs had these pages at the beginning, so it must have been this type of logbook.
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HMS Sirius, mid Dec (stupid two page log) 1917 off West Africa.
"1.30 Passed out of tropics "
Must be correct - streaming two patent logs, one to port, one starboard.
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The log keeper of HMS Bristol forgot to record the amount of coal
shipped but put the hourly average of 92.5 tons. They coaled for 11 and a
half hours and two more hours the day before. I let you calculate the
amount of coal received. ;)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69477/ADM53-69477-100_1.jpg
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Challenger, 14 Nov 1914
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-37518/ADM%2053-37518-041_1.jpg
"10.45 Governor General of Nigeria arrived in tug + landed. ~~ & ~~ fired salute of 17 guns."
Not sure who was firing the 17 gun salute. Almost looks like "Remus & Porpoise."
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looks like Remus and Porpoise to me :D
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And me.
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looks like Remus and Porpoise to me :D
And me.
Does it mean more to you than it does to me? :)
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Challenger, 1 December, 1914
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-37518/ADM%2053-37518-045_0.jpg
An eventful log page, even though very little happened.
First, the Captain decided to sign the top: "CJ Jea~~~-Pownale, Captain"
Next, it's the queen's birthday!
"Dressed ship with masthead flags in honour of Queen Alexandra's birthday"
and
"Fired Royal Salute of 21 guns"
The first place I verified which queen this was: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1197578/
And finally, a question:
Around 3:00pm: "Diving party away in Arna Woermann"
Is that s ship's name?
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Porpoise was an Acasta class destroyer and I can't find anything on Remus -
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Porpoise was an Acasta class destroyer and I can't find anything on Remus -
Obliged. :)
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There is a Remus on Naval History, British merchant ships lost:
REMUS,
1,079grt, defensively-armed, 23 February 1918, 6 miles SSW from
Copinsay, Orkney, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 5
lives lost
The captain is CE Beatty-Pownall.
I can't help you with Arna Woermann. :)
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Hello Montanaisaleg, you're just behind me on Challenger. The
Captain who signed the log is C P Beatty-Pownall (he does it a lot and
sometimes it's more readable than others); and the ship is Anna
Woermann.
It is one of the more interesting days - mostly there's just weather and the odd bit of coming and going.
Helen J
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Hello
Montanaisaleg, you're just behind me on Challenger. The Captain
who signed the log is C P Beatty-Pownall (he does it a lot and sometimes
it's more readable than others); and the ship is Anna Woermann.
It is one of the more interesting days - mostly there's just weather and the odd bit of coming and going.
Helen J
Ha, you just beat me to it. Found this:
http://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?145179
In 1914 scuttled as blockship at Douala
Which just happens to be where Challenger is.
I
just hopped on Challenger when I saw that she was 96% or so done.
I worked on her for a while a few weeks ago but got frustrated with
figuring out east African place names written in bad handwriting. I
needed a little while with better handwriting to get my confidence back
up. :)
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There is a Remus on Naval History, British merchant ships lost:
REMUS,
1,079grt, defensively-armed, 23 February 1918, 6 miles SSW from
Copinsay, Orkney, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine, 5
lives lost
The captain is CE Beatty-Pownall.
I can't help you with Arna Woermann. :)
Indeed, and thanks! I tend to post here before going to google, for some reason.
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oh padawan -
always first Google you must ;D
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oh padawan -
always first Google you must ;D
Google's
great, but sometimes I'm in less of a mood to interpret some squiggly
handwriting. In those cases, I like to rely on the hive-mind that
is OW.
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HMS Sirius, late Dec. 1917 having left Gibraltar.
"8.15 Increased to 60 Revs.
9.20 Increased to 65 revs.
9.30 reduced to 60 revs
10.55 increased to 65 revs
11.0 Both engine counters reported defective "
Reminds me of the old advert for TV Times "Quick Dad! It's on now!"
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Challenger, 24th January 1915
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-37518/ADM%2053-37518-071_1.jpg
"8.30 Maxim gun lost overboard and buoyed"
Oops.
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Challenger, 23 Feb 1915
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-37518/ADM%2053-37518-087_1.jpg
Afternoon: Three officers left in other ships, two in command of them:
"4.10 Com'd Hon Mitford left in command of HMS Margaret Elizabeth"
"Lieut Maxwell left in Walrus"
"9.0 Discharged Lieut Blake for command of Manattee"
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Seems rather harsh - 'Discharged 1 rating to Crocodile' ! :o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-37518/ADM%2053-37518-013_0.jpg
And another one - Lt Maxwell left in Walrus
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-37518/ADM%2053-37518-087_1.jpg
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Seems rather harsh - 'Discharged 1 rating to Crocodile' ! :o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-37518/ADM%2053-37518-013_0.jpg
And another one - Lt Maxwell left in Walrus
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-37518/ADM%2053-37518-087_1.jpg
I have officially caught up. :) We'll see how long it lasts.
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Challenger, 9th March 1915
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-37518/ADM%2053-37518-094_1.jpg
First pm entry: "Mr Jeffery, Master Mariner, esc Remus, placed under arrest on board HMS Challenger for insubordination"
"Esc(aped)" Remus, sounds like?
Also:
"3.30 Surprise arrived"
Probably an unannounced arrival.
[EDIT]
Next day:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-37518/ADM%2053-37518-095_0.jpg
"Mr.
Jefferey, Master Mariner esc Remus, released from arrest but detained
on board under surveillance pending a medical examination"
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I don't think it is "esc" - I think it is "ex" = out of, in this
context "from". So Mr Jeffery is a member of Remus's crew, rather
than having escaped from the ship.
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Bah, yeah, you're right. That's how he does the "X" in "Maxim" gun.
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HMS Surprise, a despatch vessel launched in 1885. She was renamed HMS Alacrity in 1913 and was sold in 1919.
http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/surprise_class.htm
HMS Surprise, a Yarrow Later M class destroyer launched in 1916 and sunk in 1917.
http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/destroyers_before_1900.htm
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HMS Surprise, a despatch vessel launched in 1885. She was renamed HMS Alacrity in 1913 and was sold in 1919.
HMS Surprise, a Yarrow Later M class destroyer launched in 1916 and sunk in 1917.
I
think the one being referred to on the page I linked to above was a
French gunboat. IIRC, it was referred to as such a few times on
other log pages.
[EDIT]
In fact: http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F60917F83D5C13738DDDAE0A94D1405B848DF1D3
This is a PDF of a Sept 27, 1914 New York Times article about the French gunboat Surprise.
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Neat 8)
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HMS Surprise, a despatch vessel launched in 1885. She was renamed HMS Alacrity in 1913 and was sold in 1919.
HMS Surprise, a Yarrow Later M class destroyer launched in 1916 and sunk in 1917.
I
think the one being referred to on the page I linked to above was a
French gunboat. IIRC, it was referred to as such a few times on
other log pages.
[EDIT]
In fact: http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F60917F83D5C13738DDDAE0A94D1405B848DF1D3
This is a PDF of a Sept 27, 1914 New York Times article about the French gunboat Surprise.
"Surprise arrived!"
I had a vision of the captain's wife strolling on to the bridge holding a newborn baby.
All is not lost, however; from the press cutting:
"Victor Augagneur the Minister of Marine".
It
seems his parents had a sense of humour, naming him "Victor". The
surname, broken into its component parts "Au" and "gagneur" translate as
"to the winner"; although gagneur is archaic.
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Suva, 19th Nov 1917
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61888/ADM%2053-61888-013_0.jpg
"9.40 Capt left ship with armed party to settle mutiny on board SS Delphina
11.58 Capt and armed party returned"
Two hours to settle a mutiny.
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Crisis on board the Changuinola:
6 Oct 1917 - 9219 lbs potatoes condemned as unfit for human consumption and thrown overboard
8 Oct am - Hands counting potatoes
8 Oct pm - Hands sorting & cleaning potatoes
Heaven only knows whether we have enough potatoes to last until we are next due in port!
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I hope the fishes didn't get an indigestion. ;D ;D ;D
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Crisis on board the Changuinola:
6 Oct 1917 - 9219 lbs potatoes condemned as unfit for human consumption and thrown overboard
Heaven only knows whether we have enough potatoes to last until we are next due in port!
That's 4 tons of spuds!
If you run out you'll have to make do with chips/french fries.
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Crisis on board the Changuinola:
6 Oct 1917 - 9219 lbs potatoes condemned as unfit for human consumption and thrown overboard
That's a LOT of potatoes!
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Somewhere off the coast of Scotland
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-39992/0128_1.jpg
"in lieu"
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HMS Donegal, Devonport 3rd Oct 1915
"6.0 Commenced working Bullion 10.25 Finished working Bullion"
If the spelling is correct, that's a lot of loot.
If the spelling is nearly correct, it's a big stew.
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Crisis on board the Changuinola:
6 Oct 1917 - 9219 lbs potatoes condemned as unfit for human consumption and thrown overboard
Heaven only knows whether we have enough potatoes to last until we are next due in port!
That's 4 tons of spuds!
If you run out you'll have to make do with chips/french fries.
Well, the ship is quite close to Iceland ...
(Note for non-UK transcribers: over here we have a large retailer of (mainly) frozen foods called Iceland.)
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HMS Donegal, Devonport 3rd Oct 1915
"6.0 Commenced working Bullion 10.25 Finished working Bullion"
HMS Donegal 12 Oct. 1915 Halifax N.S.
"6.0 Commenced discharging Bullion
11.40 Finished working Bullion"
One very relieved captain, I imagine.
I hope H.M. Treasury remembers where the loot was stashed.
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HMS Donegal 20 Nov. 1915 Barents Sea
"Sounding every half hour. 150 faths of wire"
900 ft of wire, 28 ft draught. That's being careful.
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Suva, 11 January 1918
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61890/ADM%2053-61890-009_0.jpg
"8.50 obs 3 ten sec flashes of brilliant light with about 5 sec interval bg S67W"
They're around the mouth of the Red Sea (near Perim), so in the general direction of middle-of-nowhere Djibouti.
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Why would you write -"- instead of W ???
Save ink? Save time?
I doubt both of those.
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Just to annoy us? ::)
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Just to annoy us? ::)
Not very likely. It was written by a man.
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Just to annoy us? ::)
Not very likely. It was written by a man.
That is such a logic defying leap that I feel I've just shifted into a parallel universe ....
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Just to annoy us? ::)
Not very likely. It was written by a man.
Ah! I suppose that that is all the explanation needed ;)
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-78590/ADM%2053-78590-0087_0.jpg
Mid-afternoon: ~is Duff presented prizes onboard.
That had to cheer them up!
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-78590/ADM%2053-78590-0087_0.jpg
Mid-afternoon: ~is Duff presented prizes onboard.
That had to cheer them up!
I'd noticed that HMS Hawkins was becalmed and was bearing her in mind. I don't need to strain my memory now. Ta.
This may not have crossed the Atlantic. In the UK, to "pull" is slang for to succeed in arranging "a date".
At 0800 there was a Squadron Pulling Regatta, giving the sailors to illustrate that, indeed,
#All the nice girls love a sailor,
All the nice girls love a tar;
For there's something about a sailor --
Well, you know what sailors are!
Bright and breezy, free and easy,
He's the ladies' pride and joy.
Falls in love with Kate and Jane,
Then he's off to sea again --
Ship Ahoy! Ship Ahoy!#
Oh and what I set off to say, I believe it was Miss Duff with the prizes. Can't say how she got the gig.
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With Miss Duff and all her pretty friends watching from the front row, the pulling must have been a spectacular show.
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Liberty men + invitation party left ship. ???
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Suva, 4th Feb 1918
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61891/ADM%2053-61891-005_1.jpg
Suva's
log keeper must love writing down bearings to landmarks. This
page has 27 such entries (I counted), all for about 4 different
places. One place (Perim High Light House) is noted 9 different
times.
Also, to whoever has to normalize these place names.. Alternate names for "Perim High Light House":
Perim H Lt
Perim Lt
High Lt
H Lt
with
the possibility of "Ho" or "House" added to the end, or sometimes not,
and the possibility of "Light" fully spelled out. That's, what, 32
possibilities, at least? I dunno. I just know that the
weather reports from these logs are going to be among the most
accurately located of any for this project.
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At least we transcribers don't have the pain of making that page read logically. ;D
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HMS Donegal, 31 Mar 1916 off Scapa Flow:
"1.50 Turned 16pts to examine floating mine"
And ... and ...
"2.3 a/co ENE"
:-\
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Suva, 10th Feb 1918
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61891/ADM%2053-61891-008_1.jpg
Just
before noon and just after: Encountered a couple of dhows. Fired a
few 4.7" rounds at shore and at one of the dhows. Boarded one of
them, took a bunch of stuff (coffee, melon seeds, anchor, etc) and took
the dhow in tow. Boarded the other, took stuff (including
"quantity of wax"), then burned the dhow.
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HMS Cicala, 10th November 1920:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37805/ADM53-37805-0008_0.jpg
At 7 am, it turns out the gunboat was in Canton because some orders were decoded wrongly.
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I copied this in the "If you find letters or other misc in the
logbooks..." thread, as it's the kind of discipline they said they were
interested in. Thanks for telling us of it. :)
HMS Cicala, 10th November 1920:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37805/ADM53-37805-0008_0.jpg
At 7 am, it turns out the gunboat was in Canton because some orders were decoded wrongly.
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HMS Cicala again:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37805/ADM53-37805-0015_0.jpg
At around noon, the barometer fell in.
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What kind of idiot drops that overboard? ;D I thought it was bolted to a wall someplace indoors!
I
did add this info to the Barometers Instrumentation list - maybe
shouldn't have done it at midnight my time, I added/struck out the "an
idiot" mondegreen for "accident". ;)
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-78590/ADM%2053-78590-0114_1.jpg
Cleared lowered deck to chear Admiral Sir Alexander Duff
Must of been an important person!
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-78590/ADM%2053-78590-0116_0.jpg
Dressed ship in honour of birthday of H.M. the King of Italy.
More info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Emmanuel_III_of_Italy
Also the last King of Italy that ruled for more than a month.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-78590/ADM%2053-78590-0114_1.jpg
Cleared lowered deck to chear Admiral Sir Alexander Duff
Must of been an important person!
Yep; at the time C in C China Station, having done other things:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Ludovic_Duff
I believe you met his daughter:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1454.msg23054#msg23054
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3.45 Funeral Foring Party & mournors (sic) landed.
What
does the italicized word mean? Did the logkeeper mean to say it
was a "firing" party for some sort of gun salute, but misspelled it?
***********
In
army funerals they sometimes fire a volley over the grave using rifles,
I don't know if the navy do the same. Looking at his spelling I
think your guess is right, I suppose that mourners does rhyme with
sailors to many ears.
I transferred my reply here for a reason that will become apparent.
I believe (some) US police funerals also provide this honour for officers who die in the course of their duty.
It is possible that the deceased was a keen golfer and the sailors went along to clear the locals out of the way: "Fore!"
I think you were a little harsh on the spelling of "mourners" - it looks like a thin "e" and a curly "r" to me.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-78590/ADM%2053-78590-0114_1.jpg
Cleared lowered deck to chear Admiral Sir Alexander Duff
Must of been an important person!
Yep; at the time C in C China Station, having done other things:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Ludovic_Duff
I believe you met his daughter:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1454.msg23054#msg23054
Huh, didn't noticed that. Thanks!
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-78590/ADM%2053-78590-0114_1.jpg
Cleared lowered deck to chear Admiral Sir Alexander Duff
Must of been an important person!
Yep; at the time C in C China Station, having done other things:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Ludovic_Duff
I believe you met his daughter:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1454.msg23054#msg23054
Huh, didn't noticed that. Thanks!
He
had two daughters. The younger one had married, so her surname was
James at the time of the prize giving. It would seem that it was Helen
who was present, and you would believe what her surname became when she
married in June the following year:
http://thepeerage.com/p18061.htm
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-78590/ADM%2053-78590-0114_1.jpg
Cleared lowered deck to chear Admiral Sir Alexander Duff
Must of been an important person!
Yep; at the time C in C China Station, having done other things:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Ludovic_Duff
I believe you met his daughter:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1454.msg23054#msg23054
Huh, didn't noticed that. Thanks!
He
had two daughters. The younger one had married, so her surname was
James at the time of the prize giving. It would seem that it was Helen
who was present, and you would believe what her surname became when she
married in June the following year:
http://thepeerage.com/p18061.htm
Fitting! ;D ;D ;D
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HMS Donegal 28 July 1916 Cromarty
"Ship's company addressed by the Rt Revd. Lord Bishop of London"
Not just out of his diocese, out of his own country.
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HMS Donegal 28 July 1916 Cromarty
"Ship's company addressed by the Rt Revd. Lord Bishop of London"
Not just out of his diocese, out of his own country.
I hope he had the local bishop's permission .... or perhaps he and they were in international waters?
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HMS Donegal 28 July 1916 Cromarty
"Ship's company addressed by the Rt Revd. Lord Bishop of London"
Not just out of his diocese, out of his own country.
I hope he had the local bishop's permission .... or perhaps he and they were in international waters?
It was the Bishop of London so the thought may not have occurred. Or, to be charitable, perhaps he was a closet Wesleyan:
"I look upon all the world as my parish"
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HMS Donegal 30th August 1916 Liverpool (? Dry dock)
"0.15 Fire in port foremost bunker - Hands to fire stations.
0.35 Fire extinguished"
All the practice seems to have been worthwhile.
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HMS Donegal 28 July 1916 Cromarty
"Ship's company addressed by the Rt Revd. Lord Bishop of London"
Not just out of his diocese, out of his own country.
I hope he had the local bishop's permission .... or perhaps he and they were in international waters?
It was the Bishop of London so the thought may not have occurred. Or, to be charitable, perhaps he was a closet Wesleyan:
"I look upon all the world as my parish"
Yep, Lord Bishops do tend to have ideas beyond their station ...
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My log keeper seems to have spilled some ink in his water before
finishing the page, or perhaps he accidentally dipped his pen in the ink
in the middle of copying. However, he seems to have copied things in a
very strange order.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34563/ADM53-34563-004_0.jpg
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My
log keeper seems to have spilled some ink in his water before finishing
the page, or perhaps he accidentally dipped his pen in the ink in the
middle of copying. However, he seems to have copied things in a very
strange order.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34563/ADM53-34563-004_0.jpg
What beautiful writing!
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Yes! And normally the ink/water ratio is good ;D
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Somebody on HMS Perth broke the barometer, but didn't bother to tell anyone...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-55065/ADM%2053-55065-017_1.jpg
ADDED
TO Barometers, Instrumentation and Specifications by Ship
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1844.0) thread
JJ
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Sounds like someone threw a wobbly and thumped the barometer!
Disappointed in their Christmas presents, maybe, and decided to take it
out on an inanimate object?
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Avoca - 10 Jan 1918
Received 1 sick rating from 'Otranto' for passage to Esquimalt (B.C., Canada)
This does not sound like fun. We are in Paita, Peru.
Worse luck yet, now we are bound southward for Callao.
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You can't get the log keepers ... I wonder if the entry
just before midday, and the 5pm warrant reading, are linked?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-106_0.jpg
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I don't believe all that scratch-paper scribbling!! Someone was having a Very Bad Day.
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I don't believe all that scratch-paper scribbling!! Someone was having a Very Bad Day.
I guess only the captain would dare to behave like that: 11.0am pencil note.
The word "martinet" springs to mind (amongst others not suitable for mixed company).
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At best, he was deliberately messing up a previously careful piece
of work. Talk about arrogance and disrespect! I did notice
both the different handwriting and writing instrument. And still
hope he was having a very bad day! I'd hate to think of that being
our logkeeper's "normal."
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You can't get the log keepers ... I wonder if the entry just before midday, and the 5pm warrant reading, are linked?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-106_0.jpg
What time please! ;D Talk about an angry fit!
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The trouble is that when the captain has a bad day, everybody has a bad day.
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The trouble is that when the captain has a bad day, everybody has a bad day.
Truth! :(
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At least he said PLEASE ;D
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Since April 13th 1918 Severn is in tow of Trent sailing
from Zanzibar to Aden and now to Suez. No weather entries are made as
the whole crew is living on board of Trent. The interesting part is the
precise description of the towing ropes used (see the 5.15pm entry).
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59866/ADM%2053-59866-017_0.jpg
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At
best, he was deliberately messing up a previously careful piece of
work. Talk about arrogance and disrespect! I did notice both
the different handwriting and writing instrument. And still hope
he was having a very bad day! I'd hate to think of that being our
logkeeper's "normal."
Sadly
this is pretty normal for Patuca at the moment - most pages are very
messy, with lots of different writings and quite often things scribbled
where they shouldn't be. So perhaps the captain (if the comment is
his, and I'm inclined to think Bunts is right here) had some
justification for his frustration.
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Avoca - 14 Jan 1918
Watch employed stowing beer.
6pm http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34563/ADM53-34563-009_0.jpg
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At
best, he was deliberately messing up a previously careful piece of
work. Talk about arrogance and disrespect! I did notice both
the different handwriting and writing instrument. And still hope
he was having a very bad day! I'd hate to think of that being our
logkeeper's "normal."
Sadly
this is pretty normal for Patuca at the moment - most pages are very
messy, with lots of different writings and quite often things scribbled
where they shouldn't be. So perhaps the captain (if the comment is
his, and I'm inclined to think Bunts is right here) had some
justification for his frustration.
There does seem to be a subtext of "If I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times"
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At
best, he was deliberately messing up a previously careful piece of
work. Talk about arrogance and disrespect! I did notice both
the different handwriting and writing instrument. And still hope
he was having a very bad day! I'd hate to think of that being our
logkeeper's "normal."
Sadly
this is pretty normal for Patuca at the moment - most pages are very
messy, with lots of different writings and quite often things scribbled
where they shouldn't be. So perhaps the captain (if the comment is
his, and I'm inclined to think Bunts is right here) had some
justification for his frustration.
There does seem to be a subtext of "If I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times"
Now that you mention it - Yes ;D
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Now that is what I call crossing a T - too bad he missed ;D
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"Ship rolling heavily" ?
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Calm wind and sea :D
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Hiccup? Sneeze?
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Since April 13th
1918 Severn is in tow of Trent sailing from Zanzibar to Aden and now to
Suez. No weather entries are made as the whole crew is living on board
of Trent. The interesting part is the precise description of the towing
ropes used (see the 5.15pm entry).
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59866/ADM%2053-59866-017_0.jpg
I remember that from my time aboard. I admired the thoroughness. Now I know why - King's Regs:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=7.msg23712#msg23712
"585.
Report of Loss. On every occasion of the parting of a cable or the loss
or breakage of an anchor, a report, on form S. 541, is to be at once
made to the Admiralty through the Commander-in-Chief, giving full
information as to the cause of the parting or breakage and the
circumstances in which it occurred. "
Not sure whether it was
that particular voyage or some other similar vessel when there was great
fun pumping out holds and shoring up after some heavy weather.
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Suva, 17th April 1918
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61893/ADM%2053-61893-011_1.jpg
Last AM line: "painting voice pipes with red lead"
Voice Pipes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaking_tube)
Nothing like red lead paint to paint a thing that your mouth will be near on a regular basis.
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Suva, 18th April 1918
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61893/ADM%2053-61893-012_0.jpg
PM starts with a detailed list of various repairs, refitting, maintenance, etc, and ends with:
"Commenced washing bathrooms"
No word on whether they finished.
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Suva, 17th April 1918
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61893/ADM%2053-61893-011_1.jpg
Last AM line: "painting voice pipes with red lead"
Voice Pipes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaking_tube)
Nothing like red lead paint to paint a thing that your mouth will be near on a regular basis.
Could be worse ;D
From article above:
Voice
pipes, the maritime term, served to transmit reports from lookout
positions aloft to the deck and from the bridge to the steering position
and engine room. These were somewhat larger in diameter than the
domestic version and were often covered in sound absorbent material to
increase their efficiency. About 1780, one captain removed a canvas
voice pipe installed by an imaginative midshipman saying he was sure the
topmen would ?use it for an improper purpose?.[1]
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HMS Donegal 5 March 1917 Bermuda
"Mr John Christian Ackerman,
Gunner, cautioned for improperly performing his duties as officer of
the picket on the 2nd inst, in not taking steps, when he observed
ratings of HMS Caesar out of bounds in the Manhattan Bar, Somerset
Island; and also in not taking necessary steps to prevent a disturbance
in the same vicinity, he having been previously informed that it was
likely to occur. J.C. Ackerman Gunner. W.H.D'Oyly Captain. "
I'll have a pint of bitter, and he'll have a punch in the mouth.
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Suva, 29th April, 1918
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61893/ADM%2053-61893-017_1.jpg
Last am entry: "One complete set of awnings taken from locker"
They're
in the middle of a very thorough refit, so it's possible that the
awnings were taken for entirely legit purposes, but it sounds more like
some local contractor's house will soon be decked out with a fancy new
awning. Well, if such a thing could be successfully snuck off the
ship.
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Suva, 29th April, 1918
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61893/ADM%2053-61893-017_1.jpg
Last am entry: "One complete set of awnings taken from locker"
They're
in the middle of a very thorough refit, so it's possible that the
awnings were taken for entirely legit purposes, but it sounds more like
some local contractor's house will soon be decked out with a fancy new
awning. Well, if such a thing could be successfully snuck off the
ship.
You are a cynic.
It
might have been "unstowed" if they were working on the locker (along
with everything else). The next page or two will tell. If it had gone
missing there is likely to be an enquiry. They can't use the "carried
away by heavy sea" in this case. ;D
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Suva, 29th April, 1918
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61893/ADM%2053-61893-017_1.jpg
Last am entry: "One complete set of awnings taken from locker"
They're
in the middle of a very thorough refit, so it's possible that the
awnings were taken for entirely legit purposes, but it sounds more like
some local contractor's house will soon be decked out with a fancy new
awning. Well, if such a thing could be successfully snuck off the
ship.
You are a cynic.
It
might have been "unstowed" if they were working on the locker (along
with everything else). The next page or two will tell. If it had gone
missing there is likely to be an enquiry. They can't use the "carried
away by heavy sea" in this case. ;D
Yeah,
I was hoping for some sort of commando raid to recover the missing
awnings, but the next three days' logs are even less eventful than the
"awnings" log page. Maybe they just don't care much about awnings,
or maybe my conspiracy theory about a Colombo awning-thievery ring is
incorrect. :(
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Suva, 5th May 1918
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61894/ADM%2053-61894-006_1.jpg
8am: "Hoisted CinC's flag"
Commander
in chief of what, who's to say, but he apparently doesn't like it when
his subordinates record sea temperatures while he's aboard.
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Suva, 12th May 1918
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61894/ADM%2053-61894-010_0.jpg
I
think we could use the April-May 1918 logs for Suva to rebuild the
ship. Seems like they're not only replacing everything, but
recording it all in the log book, e.g. last am entry:
"fitting locks to drawers in ship's office"
Also,
now that I've seen it several times, I'm almost certain that the
servants mentioned at 3pm are Goanese
(http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Goanese).
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I have certainly seen Goanese servants and cooks on several ships in the Middle East area.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37555/C2-ADM53-37555-184_0.jpg
Look! Someone drew a ship on the log book cover! ;D
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37555/C2-ADM53-37555-184_0.jpg
Look! Someone drew a ship on the log book cover! ;D
that is amazing ! ;D
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57311/ADM%2053-57311-006_1.jpg
Early afternoon: A.E. Bennison AB. lost helmet overboard (accidentally)
Oops...
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Suva, 5th May 1918
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61894/ADM%2053-61894-006_1.jpg
8am: "Hoisted CinC's flag"
Commander
in chief of what, who's to say, but he apparently doesn't like it when
his subordinates record sea temperatures while he's aboard.
From the Abbreviations [non-weather]
C in C - Commander in Chief.
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HMS Donegal, Montreal
After long enough dealing with this writing:
31 May 1917
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-39993/0211_1.jpg
with a mere 1% of the voyage remaining, we have:
1 June 1917
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-39993/0213_1.jpg
What a difference a day makes.
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Changuinola, 8 June 1916:
"Cleaning Refrigerator"
I am just relieved to know that we have got one, and do not have to take any live sheep on the voyage!
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Avoca - 3 Feb 1918 - Gulf of Fonseca, Honduras
9:10 Officers from U.S.S. "Yorktown" boarded.
11:20 Capt of "Yorktown" boarded
12:00 Capt of "Yorktown" left.
2:45 Capt + Consul left for "Yorktown".
4:35 Captain returned.
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Avoca - 3 Feb 1918 - Gulf of Fonseca, Honduras
9:10 Officers from U.S.S. "Yorktown" boarded.
11:20 Capt of "Yorktown" boarded
12:00 Capt of "Yorktown" left.
2:45 Capt + Consul left for "Yorktown".
4:35 Captain returned.
Musical chairs? Only with ships?
;D
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Grim stuff on the Clio:
Clio's log, 28 July 1917: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38070/ADM%2053-38070-213_0.jpg
Note entry at 3 pm:
6 sheep thrown overboard (diseased)
and the next day, again at 3 pm: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38070/ADM%2053-38070-213_1.jpg
4 sheep thrown overboard (diseased)
30 July 1917, 3 pm: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38070/ADM%2053-38070-214_0.jpg
6 sheep thrown overboard (diseased)
(Yikes; I do hope they put them out of their misery first.)
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I'm even happier now about the Changuinola having a refrigerator :o
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Hi,
HMS Avoca. Wind force: 7
'3.5 Ship taking over small water'
'7.45 Obs Cabrillo Lt(glare) bg N17W'
'10.0 Shipping water over bow. Ship pitching heavily'
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34564/ADM53-34564-010_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34564/ADM53-34564-010_0.jpg)
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Two events from H.M.S. Severn:
The first which might not please
our Italian friends as they sank a steam pinnace from the Battleship
Vittorio Emanuel. See remark 8.46 pm
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59873/ADM%2053-59873-007_0.jpg
And
a few days later a fire was extinguished with great speed. It might
have been a small one as they only took less than an hour to do it.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59873/ADM%2053-59873-009_0.jpg
A
burgee is a distinguishing flag actually used by yacht clubs. I thing
that in this case the flag from a Flag officer was meant.
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Avoca - 10 Jan 1918
Received 1 sick rating from 'Otranto' for passage to Esquimalt (B.C., Canada)
This does not sound like fun. We are in Paita, Peru.
Worse luck yet, now we are bound southward for Callao.
22 Feb 1918 Esquimalt
Landed 5 men for hospital
Hopefully that includes the rating from 'Otranto'
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Avoca - 21 Feb 1918
8:10 Lines fast to buoy.
8:12 Lines carried away 8:21 Lines fast to buoy.
8:35 All fast to buoy, forward.
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HMS Armadale Castle 6 Nov 1916
After six days of "from Halifax to Liverpool", today we are "from Liverpool to Halifax".
Perhaps we forgot the captain's packed lunch.
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Two events from H.M.S. Severn:
...
And
a few days later a fire was extinguished with great speed. It might
have been a small one as they only took less than an hour to do it.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59873/ADM%2053-59873-009_0.jpg
A
burgee is a distinguishing flag actually used by yacht clubs. I thing
that in this case the flag from a Flag officer was meant.
I found this: http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeohzt4/Seaflags/personal/cmdpen.html
Beginning
with the 1858 Signals for the Use of the United States Navy, the Navy
created a series so-called "triangular flags," or pennants, to designate
the commanders of squadrons or divisions who were not of flag rank.
These flags were the precursors of an elaborate series of such
command pennants used during and after the Civil War and ultimately of
today's broad and burgee command pennants, which were adopted.
And this: http://www.fotw.net/flags/gb%5E~pen.html#pen
Don't
forget that in the Royal Navy a burgee is not a small triangular flag,
but a "rectangular flag with a swallowtail". Definition in the "Flags at
Sea" glossary and part 5 of Phil Nelson's 1913 Signal Flags.
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The Changuinola is having a very busy time in the North Atlantic
(July 1916). We have had to supply two armed guards to the Motagua
who had obviously run out of her own - now the inevitable has happened,
we too have run out of armed guards and have had to escort the vessel
we want to send in to Kirkwall along the patrol line to borrow one from
the Almanzora!
There seems to be a lot more shipping along this patrol line than I ever encountered with the Mantua :o
As
a postscript, it seems to be a dog's life being an armed guard.
The Changuinola has arrived at Busta Voe shortly after midnight on 16
July:
9.45 am : Five Armed Guards returned on board.
10.15 am : Armed Guards fall in. Told off to coaling.
Oh well, I suppose they wouldn't have had much to unpack!
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HMS Armadale Castle 25th December 1916 Liverpool
"Hands carrying fresh water from shore on board"
Happy Christmas boys. D'you want dry bread with that?
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HMS Armadale Castle 12th February 1917 Liverpool
"10.55 cast off from quay & proceeded tugs assisting. Fouled HMS Otway damaging after davits & denting platings"
Not a wise move. HMS Otway has 6 inch guns against "our" 4.7 inch.
Blame the tugs.
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After Janet J's recent post, it seemed inappropriate to deal with this in the Riveting thread.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46015/ADM%2053-46015-004_1.jpg
Hi All,
I'm
not sure if this item on the accidental loss of coal noted in H.M.S
Lancaster's log-book is really "riveting" but I thought it might be of
some interest.
Portanucis
It's the Royal Navy terminology.
It wasn't sacks of coal, it was sacks for coal. Likewise with the "trucks, coal, No. 1" that was just the one truck which could have contained the 12 empty coal sacks.
To be fair, it was common amongst the armed forces and the civil service, too.
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HMS Armadale Castle 18th February 1917 leaving Liverpool (eventually)
"2.20 proc'd 3.10 ship aground off Gladstone Dock
Reversed engines & backed off bank
3.25 proc'd"
After a couple of months in dock & drydock, we seem to have lost our touch.
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I don't know how you find these ships, Bunts! You should try
the Mantua - she was always bumping into things. At one point she
went into Birkenhead for a refit and collided with a vessel on the way
in (not her fault, apparently the other vessel had been left in the
wrong place.) So, no big deal, they could repair any damage while
she was in dry dock. Sadly she had another collision on the way
out of Birkenhead as soon as the refit was completed. ::)
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I think Bunts just has a lucky star that steers him to all the
clutzy ships - they are much more fun, when it comes to notes in the
forum. ;D
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I don't know if this is the right place to post this. If not feel free to move it into the right thread.
11 November 1921 onboard HMS Ambrose:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-70441/ADM%2053-70441-083_0.jpg
1005 Landed C of E Church Party (12) for memorial Service at Cathedral
1100 Sounded "Still" Observed 2 minutes silence
For this the Boatswain will call a high note for 8 seconds. http://www.freeinfosociety.com/site.php?postnum=768
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thursdaynext,
As you probably know, Birkenhead and Liverpool
are on opposite banks of the River Mersey. HMS Armadale Castle visited
both; tugs were responsible for the prang, and there was a pilot aboard
for the grounding.
I've encountered several collisions immediately after refits. I wonder if it's a macho thing, like battle scars.
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I
think Bunts just has a lucky star that steers him to all the clutzy
ships - they are much more fun, when it comes to notes in the forum. ;D
I think Bunts just has a lucky star that steers him to all the clutzy ships
I think you underestimate my innate talent.
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HMS Armadale Castle 5 May 1917 Liverpool
Last time she was
leaving Liverpool she ran aground. This time, pilot on board (I don't
know whether it was the same one) on the point of leaving:
"10.30
H.M.T.B.D. "G32" proceeding out of dock stern first collided with us
forward & dented frame & plate on port bow."
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A strike in Hong Kong:
Detailed Landing Party of 50 Rifles for strike Duty(I am not sure of the transcription of that word) if reqd.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-70442/ADM%2053-70442-060_1.jpg
EDIT:
Duty is the correct word:
I was too quick in posting that page, I should have waited the next page for confirmation.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-70442/ADM%2053-70442-061_0.jpg
32 men were landed for strike duties.
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Someone with a pointed question:
In one handwriting and block capitals - 'HARD SQUALLS' - and written alongside 'what's that?'
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-122_1.jpg
Although looking at the weather entries I think he could have worked it out ....
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HMS Armadale Castle 23 May 1917
For the fourth day in a row,
HMS Armadale Castle has been steaming off Iceland; 12 hours NNE (approx)
then 12 hours SSW (approx) about 100 miles each way passing (almost
exactly) the same co-ordinates at the same time of day. The only
sighting of note - field ice.
Much more of this and there'll be a worn patch in the sea.
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If they note ice - unless they do it all the time - you might want
to put a note in the Natural Phenomena thread (in The Logs).
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HMS Armadale Castle 23 May 1917
For
the fourth day in a row, HMS Armadale Castle has been steaming off
Iceland; 12 hours NNE (approx) then 12 hours SSW (approx) about 100
miles each way passing (almost exactly) the same co-ordinates at the
same time of day. The only sighting of note - field ice.
Much more of this and there'll be a worn patch in the sea.
It'll
match very nicely with the worn path HMS Yarmouth is laying down in
1923 between Portsmouth Harbour and Spithead. She is currently
serving as part of the Signals School, and every two or three days will
sail from one to the other. I think they know the way by now, it's
only been about two months or so.
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How about this one?
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x215/Rogwherm/OldWeather/ADM53-54674-130_1KindlyClip.jpg)
'Kindly do not have arguments in HMS log Books'
Funny, I didn't notice anything of the kind the days before...no lieutenants squabbling...hmm.
~~~~~~~~~Rogwherm
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Someone with a pointed question:
In one handwriting and block capitals - 'HARD SQUALLS' - and written alongside 'what's that?'
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-122_1.jpg
Although looking at the weather entries I think he could have worked it out ....
Har!
I wondered about that when I saw it a while ago too. Same
page. Is he being ironic or what? But maybe this is one of
the 'Arguments' the cap was admonishing his lieuts about later on, 7
Feb. I wrote another post here about that. If so, it took
him a while to get around to it.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Rogwherm
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Someone with a pointed question:
In one handwriting and block capitals - 'HARD SQUALLS' - and written alongside 'what's that?'
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-122_1.jpg
Although looking at the weather entries I think he could have worked it out ....
Har!
I wondered about that when I saw it a while ago too. Same
page. Is he being ironic or what? But maybe this is one of
the 'Arguments' the cap was admonishing his lieuts about later on, 7
Feb. I wrote another post here about that. If so, it took
him a while to get around to it.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Rogwherm
After
seeing your first post re: Arguments, I immediately scrolled up to see
if the HARD SQUALLS / what's that was for the same ship!
When I scrolled back down to make a note, I saw that you had beaten me to it ;D
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Juno's log, 8 January 1916: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45466/ADM%2053-45466-007_0.jpg
7.00 One Deck Clock Patt. No 306 lost overboard by accident.
(oops.)
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HMS Armadale Castle 23 May 1917
For
the fourth day in a row, HMS Armadale Castle has been steaming off
Iceland; 12 hours NNE (approx) then 12 hours SSW (approx) about 100
miles each way passing (almost exactly) the same co-ordinates at the
same time of day. The only sighting of note - field ice.
Much more of this and there'll be a worn patch in the sea.
Erm
... I think you'll find most of the Atlantic Patrol ships sailed up and
down in a straight line most of the time? 12 hours in each
direction is quite a long time though - the Mantua used to turn around
every 2 hours. The Changuinola doesn't seem to record every little
course change so I'm not able to see the pattern there. I read
that Admiral de Chair's intention was that it should all be perfectly
choreographed and all the ships on the patrol line should turn at the
same time. I cannot see how that could work since every time they
stopped to board a neutral ship they would have got out of synch - not
to mention making it easy for the U-boats who could have worked out
where a ship was going to be at any given time. Still, who am I to
say?
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The Changuinola doesn't seem to record every little course change so I'm not able to see the pattern there.
It
was the repeat of 8.00am co-ordinates that caused me to wonder whether I
was duplicating the page. I checked on the previous day and noticed
that the noon and 8.00pm were also repeated. Same the next day ... and
the next.
Even I could detect a pattern there. ;D
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HMS Changuinola, 10 September 1916
10.55am Transferred Mid Cameron & Cunningham to HMS Ebro for Armed Guard purposes.
I
wonder if we might regret that? By 5pm the same day we'd sent out
three armed guards ourselves - at this rate we won't have anybody left!
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HMS Armadale Castle 5th June 1917 Birkenhead
"Lost overboard by accident one barrel of pork
2nd gig badly damaged by coal barge"
Oh, it's good to be back.
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You have a gift, my friend ;D
Kathy
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Someone with a pointed question:
In one handwriting and block capitals - 'HARD SQUALLS' - and written alongside 'what's that?'
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-122_1.jpg
Although looking at the weather entries I think he could have worked it out ....
Har!
I wondered about that when I saw it a while ago too. Same
page. Is he being ironic or what? But maybe this is one of
the 'Arguments' the cap was admonishing his lieuts about later on, 7
Feb. I wrote another post here about that. If so, it took
him a while to get around to it.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Rogwherm
More
squablling on Patuca - a note at the top of the page 'please enter
date'. I have to say I'm on the side of the writer this time -
we've had six days with only a very scribbled date, no month or
year. No locations given either. I suspect the stresses of
being on northern patrol in January are beginning to tell.
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Altogether not a good day on Patuca - a definite 'oops' moment in the afternoon.
2.40 Stopped and boarded Norwegian SS Mexicana, allowed to proceed.
3.45 a/c to close Mexicana, boarded, sent armed guard on board and told to proceed to Stornoway.
'Oh, that list of ships we should stop....'
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-127_0.jpg
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I'm going to stick up for the Patuca's crew here! This may not
have been their fault at all. They might well have radioed back
and been told to let the Mexicana proceed, only to receive another order
later on to go and find the ship again and put an armed guard on board
after all - and it's probably just as well their comments aren't
recorded in the log! ;D
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I had been wondering what communication there might have been
between the ship and the ptb, so I'm happy to stand up for the Patuca's
crew too. And given the comments which were appearing in the log
about not having arguments in the log book, I'm sure they were very wise
not to put any of their thoughts about this!
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Yea for the crew of the Patuca ! That Northern Patrol duty,
back and forth between Scotland and Iceland, or now in 1916 where I am
with them, hanging around the Shetlands all day, must have gotten on
their nerves. No wonder some little arguments broke out.
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Juno's log, 30 January 1916: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45466/ADM%2053-45466-018_0.jpg
Duty hand taking in stores. One 100 lb. Cask of Pork lost overboard whilst hoisting on board.
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Juno's log, 30 January 1916: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45466/ADM%2053-45466-018_0.jpg
Duty hand taking in stores. One 100 lb. Cask of Pork lost overboard whilst hoisting on board.
SNAP!
Although it wouldn't be welcomed by the locals, in your case.
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HMS Armadale Castle 14 June 1917 - 2 days out from Birkenhead:
"5.0 Ship rolling heavily to high swell. Boat shifted from fore hatch
5.40 Shoulder piece & pistol grip of A2 gun damaged by boat. "
As
you may know, I have encountered damage of various sorts but this seems
a bit much. I doubt they'd have logged it if it had just been chipped
paintwork.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58289/ADM%2053-58289-030_0.jpg
See midnight weather code
I've never seen that kind of weather code before. :o
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58289/ADM%2053-58289-030_0.jpg
See midnight weather code
I've never seen that kind of weather code before. :o
I'm sure you have, but not necessarily in that order.
Midnight, low blood sugar level; is it "Light Airs" or "Calm, "Calm" or "Last Airs" ... (Yawn zzz)
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58289/ADM%2053-58289-030_0.jpg
See midnight weather code
I've never seen that kind of weather code before. :o
I'm sure you have, but not necessarily in that order.
Midnight, low blood sugar level; is it "Light Airs" or "Calm, "Calm" or "Last Airs" ... (Yawn zzz)
Funny what burning the midnight oil will cause! ;D
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57311/ADM%2053-57311-053_1.jpg
"A vessel aground causing delay in traffic"
At least it wasn't THIS ship that was aground.
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What's happening with the Rum Casks aboard Patuca?
Five or six times now I've come up with notes similar to this:
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x215/Rogwherm/OldWeather/ADM53-54674-136_0RumCask.jpg
"Rum
Cask No. 5 pts missing J.W.G." ~ here someone
forgot to enter WHICH cask number. Usually it's given too.
Reminds me of the missing strawberries in The Caine Mutiny.
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Terrible thing evaporation.
It would certainly make sense to
identify the cask. That way it could be quarantined & not refilled;
that way there would be no suggestion of unauthorised access.
Caine Mutiny: they never established how hot does it has to be for strawberries to evaporate, did they?
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Yet again the Changuinola has had to fire one round blank to persuade a British
ship to stop - it seems to me that every other nationality vessel seems
to stop when we ask it nicely, while the British ones carry on
regardless until we demonstrate that we should be taken very
seriously. This puzzles me greatly! ???
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Terrible thing evaporation.
It
would certainly make sense to identify the cask. That way it could be
quarantined & not refilled; that way there would be no suggestion of
unauthorised access.
Caine Mutiny: they never established how hot does it has to be for strawberries to evaporate, did they?
In the wine and spirit trade this is known as the "Angel's Share"
lgb
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Terrible thing evaporation.
It
would certainly make sense to identify the cask. That way it could be
quarantined & not refilled; that way there would be no suggestion of
unauthorised access.
Caine Mutiny: they never established how hot does it has to be for strawberries to evaporate, did they?
In the wine and spirit trade this is known as the "Angel's Share"
lgb
I'd heard that before but forgotten it. Ta.
5 pints: that could be enough for St Michael, the angels & archangels, thrones, powers and seraphim.
None for the cherubs, obviously.
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HMS Armadale Castle at sea 24 July 1917
' 6" target practice.
Lieut
Scott RNR was this day cautioned by the captain for neglect of duty; in
that he failed to use every means available to bring A1 gun into action
during target practice on July 24th. D. Scott '
No mention of
any problem with A2 gun - the one that got clattered by the sea boat.
Perhaps he should have given his gun a good clout.
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Moderate gale? :o What would be a strong one?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62867/ADM%2053-62867-008_0.jpg
Kathy W.
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First time I have seen anything like this - please see the 1:00pm entry -
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62867/ADM%2053-62867-009_1.jpg
ta -
Kathy
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First time I have seen anything like this - please see the 1:00pm entry -
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62867/ADM%2053-62867-009_1.jpg
Kathy
At
first I read that as Flesh Surgeon and wondered whether they also had
World Surgeons and Devil Surgeons (vide: Baptism ceremony). Then I
thought "Don't be daft. It's Fleet Surgeon." Then I realised my first
thought was correct. So ... why? From wikipedia:
"Etymology (plastic surgery)
In
the term plastic surgery, the adjective plastic denotes sculpting, and
derives from the Greek πλαστική (τέχνη), plastikē (tekhnē), ?the art of
modelling? of malleable flesh.[1]"
The clues are malleable flesh and
a fireman. I reckon he'd received burn injuries and was going for skin
grafts. That had been around far longer than I had thought; I was not
aware of the work prior to Sir Archibald McIndoe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_surgery
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Moderate gale? :o What would be a strong one?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62867/ADM%2053-62867-008_0.jpg
Kathy W.
Not everyone conforms to the Beaufort scale, and words change their meaning or strength. Maybe he was a singer:
"Where'er you walk
Cool gales shall fan the glade
Trees where you sit
Shall crowd into a shade "
SEMELE : (composed 1744)
Music by Georg Friedrich Handel Words by Newburgh Hamilton
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Huh, I read it as Fleet not Flesh - I'll go back and look again -
Kathy
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re song - :P
and by Jove, I think he's got it - looks like Flesh Surgeon to me also.
Kathy
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HMS Armadale Castle 31 July 1917 South of Iceland, heading East South East(ish)
Visibility f(4) Speed 10 knots
"Coming through - 13,000 tons of us."
Pointing pretty much at Orkney. Hope the brakes are OK.
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6 November 1916, HMS Changuinola - we've been through some pretty rough weather the last couple of days -
"Working party restowing spirit room"
Google/Wikipedia
has confirmed for me that this is where the rum was kept and there is
no reason to think the Changuinola's crew were in the habit of holding
seances.
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6 November 1916, HMS Changuinola - we've been through some pretty rough weather the last couple of days -
"Working party restowing spirit room"
Google/Wikipedia
has confirmed for me that this is where the rum was kept and there is
no reason to think the Changuinola's crew were in the habit of holding
seances.
Only when the spirit moved them, instead.
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19 November 1916, HMS Changuinola
Collier "Pinewood" in
coming alongside collided with our stern damaging her bridge &
causing slight damage to our stern. ::)
(Hey, Bunts - the "Pinewood" wouldn't be one of yours, would it?) ;D
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First time I have seen anything like this - please see the 1:00pm entry -
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62867/ADM%2053-62867-009_1.jpg
Kathy
At
first I read that as Flesh Surgeon and wondered whether they also had
World Surgeons and Devil Surgeons (vide: Baptism ceremony). Then I
thought "Don't be daft. It's Fleet Surgeon." Then I realised my first
thought was correct. So ... why? From wikipedia:
"Etymology (plastic surgery)
In
the term plastic surgery, the adjective plastic denotes sculpting, and
derives from the Greek πλαστική (τέχνη), plastikē (tekhnē), ?the art of
modelling? of malleable flesh.[1]"
The clues are malleable flesh and
a fireman. I reckon he'd received burn injuries and was going for skin
grafts. That had been around far longer than I had thought; I was not
aware of the work prior to Sir Archibald McIndoe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_surgery
Hmmm.
I don't think "Flesh" is in there. I would say it's
"Fleet". Go down to the 8 PM entry, look at the final "t" in
"overcast" - looks the same as the last letter of the word in
question.
But, hey! Look too at both "h" and "t" in "throughout", about 7 PM. "H" and "t" look identical!
Weel,
weel. I guess I just don't think there was such an animal.
Googling "Flesh Surgeon" doesn't come up with meaningful hits.
To each, their own...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Rogwherm
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19 November 1916, HMS Changuinola
Collier
"Pinewood" in coming alongside collided with our stern damaging her
bridge & causing slight damage to our stern. ::)
(Hey, Bunts - the "Pinewood" wouldn't be one of yours, would it?) ;D
"slight damage"?
That's not very likely, is it?
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Hmmm.
I don't think "Flesh" is in there. I would say it's
"Fleet". Go down to the 8 PM entry, look at the final "t" in
"overcast" - looks the same as the last letter of the word in
question.
But, hey! Look too at both "h" and "t" in "throughout", about 7 PM. "H" and "t" look identical!
Weel,
weel. I guess I just don't think there was such an animal.
Googling "Flesh Surgeon" doesn't come up with meaningful hits.
To each, their own...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Rogwherm
You
have a point, or two, there. I failed to check sufficient letters,
relying mainly on: "9.50 ... Fresh ..." and many of his "t"s that are
conventional. There's a singular "s" in "list", too, at 1.00pm to add
further variety to his writing. Furthermore, he was only put on the sick
list rather than sent to hospital
I am very tempted to discard my brilliant deduction in favour of my second thought and Kathy's first.
Poo!
Nothing personal, Rogwherm. Nice work ;)
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I'm working on HMS Odin in May 1918 and they received a message from
HMS Fox asking for assistance. When they arrived they discovered the
Fox stuck on a rock and had to attach a length of wire to tow it off:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53219/ADM%2053-53219-017_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53219/ADM%2053-53219-017_0.jpg)
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Patuca's Lieuts are being lazy again. Their spelling ain't too good neither. Captain's getting mad.
"Challanged
HMS "Hilary" - with a big Question mark, initialed. I think it
was that they omitted the word "replied" or such, that the purported
"Hilary" actually answered with the correct signals.
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x215/Rogwherm/OldWeather/ADM53-54674-137_1NorgeStmrClip.jpg
Then
below they meet a Norwegian Steamer, named what?? [I'll post that over
in the handwriting forum]. Later they get around to "Ordered to
Kirkewall", one of the ports they send their 'captures'.
However for the first time the mention of an "Armed Guard"
was omitted.
Did they forget that too? Altogether a sloppy set of entries.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~Rogwherm
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It is possible they trusted the ship to go to Kirkwall on its own -
the company that owned it may have been generally co-operative - and so
they did not put an armed guard on.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57311/ADM%2053-57311-069_1.jpg
Near top: Splitting eyes in new ~ and variously
I know this doesn't mean the worst thing I could think of, but I can't think of anything else it could be. :o
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Splicing eyes in new hawsers ...
http://www.animatedknots.com/splice/index.php
As one sailor said "How to make a loop when you've run out of gaffer tape."
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I think that is, "Splicing eyes in new hawsers and variously."
My landlubber guess is putting a permanent loop into a rope somewhere.
Maybe one for Mondegreens? ;D
ADDED: confirmed by Bunts, half a minute ahead of me! That's gotta be right. ;D
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"A picture's worth a thousand words." ;D
Especially if you're explaining splicing or a spiral staircase.
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Okay that makes sense. Thanks! ;D
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On board HMS Virago in August 1918 in Hong Kong and a stoker has
returned drunk from shore leave. He was sent to "Jamal" under escort -
can't work out his name.
See the 5:40 entry.
Also a "Hand Lead (14 lbs)" was lost overboard. Anyone know what this is?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67700/ADM%2053-67700-030_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67700/ADM%2053-67700-030_0.jpg)
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The stoker looks like 'J Zu~' - perhaps Zumin? But I can't really make out the rest of the name, I'm afraid.
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On
board HMS Virago in August 1918 in Hong Kong and a stoker has returned
drunk from shore leave. He was sent to "Jamal" under escort - can't work
out his name.
See the 5:40 entry.
Also a "Hand Lead (14 lbs)" was lost overboard. Anyone know what this is?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67700/ADM%2053-67700-030_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67700/ADM%2053-67700-030_0.jpg)
That name is Quinn.
The hand lead is for manual sounding. (More in a jiffy.)
"By the Mark Twain!" (You know that tale, of course.)
An excellent explanation of more than you need to know about depth sounding, if you follow the links in the first three posts.
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Hey Geoff,
Didn't notice it was your question. :-[
Hand
lead (the metal, pronounced "led", not "leed"), not to be confused with
"Leading (leeding) Hand" which is entirely different.
;)
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Thanks for the response Bunts - I should have done some googling!
Any reason why it weighs 14 lbs - any connection to the "stone" weight?
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Thanks for the response Bunts - I should have done some googling!
Any reason why it weighs 14 lbs - any connection to the "stone" weight?
That's
a nice thought; transferring from what could originally have been a
rock used as a sinker to a stone in weight ;D but I fancy it's
just coincidence. There is a certain amount of buoyancy in rope, so the
weight has to be heavy enough to overcome that without being too heavy
to heave and haul in. (Over six bags of sugar!) As to naming it 14lbs
instead of of 1 stone, the abbreviation for a stone is "st". Can you
imagine trying to sort out: "Lost overboard by accident Hand Lead
(1st)"? OK what about the 2nd one? Then there was the 14pdr gun; it
sounds a bit more menacing than a 1st gun. Well it does to me.
To add to the confusion, there is the poem that Winnie the Pooh wrote about Tigger:
"But whatever his weight in pounds, shillings and ounces,
He always seem bigger because of his bounces."
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Well here's another one for Bunting's files:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-142_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-142_0.jpg)
9:00 AM
Lost 1 Lead Swivel + Container 500 fthms line(wire?)
Oh and the next line is great too: another case of "evaporation":
Rum cask 109. 4 1/2 pints short
I went back and found various amounts short for casks 108, 86, 824, 894, 109, 85 and 97.
Somebody's enjoying themselves.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Rogwherm
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Well here's another one for Bunting's files:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-142_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-142_0.jpg)
9:00 AM
Lost 1 Lead Swivel + Container 500 fthms line(wire?)
Oh and the next line is great too: another case of "evaporation":
Rum cask 109. 4 1/2 pints short
I went back and found various amounts short for casks 108, 86, 824, 894, 109, 85 and 97.
Somebody's enjoying themselves.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Rogwherm
That's some going; and "Container 500 fthms line" - that's over half a mile.
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HMS Mantua:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48285/ADM%2053-48285-006_1.jpg
10 am
R. Easterby Ldg Seaman RNR charged 7/- for 1 pair of sea boots lost.
J. Connell Ldg Seaman RNR charged 2/- each for duffle coat and trousers lost.
Interesting.
Not only that...
1 pm
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48285/ADM%2053-48285-007_1.jpg
J. Brown Asst Cook fine[d] 2/- for damaging one 8" aluminium stew pan burnt thro carelessness
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I remember those log entries - I think 7/- must have been a pretty hefty fine for those days.
The other thing that struck me was what on earth could you do with an 8" stew
pan when you were cooking for a crew the size of the Mantua's? I
can only imagine it must have been something special intended for the
Captain, which presumably burnt along with the pan!
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HMS Changuinola, 5 February 1917
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37554/C2-ADM53-37554-149_1.jpg
"10.28pm
- Observed S/S without lights (NxW) steering to the eastward. a/c to
intercept & incd to full speed. Fired 1 round 3 pdr
blank. Sounded GQs. Challenged & exchanged pnts with HMS
Hildebrand."
Were they asleep on the Hildebrand, or what?!
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It's a bit warm in Port Sudan!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49096/ADM%2053-49096-017_1.jpg
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Celebrations for the signing of peace:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49096/ADM%2053-49096-018_0.jpg
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They seem to have celebrated two days running - and it actually says "Spliced the mainbrace"!!
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Yup! And they were so excited by it all that they lost an anchor!
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HMS Colne,
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38217/ADM%2053-38217-027_1.jpg
"leave to 12 men for concert in 'Europa' till 11 pm."
no mention of the bands name :(
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Bristol - 2 June 1918 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36157/ADM%2053-36157-004_0.jpg
1'st _ 2'nd Cutters with working party salving ammunition from Wreck
Working parties working on Wreck of Highland Scot remdr. as reqt.
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HMS Armadale Castle 11 Apr 1918
"Hands cleaning troop latrines of protective coal"
We know what it means, but if we didn't ...
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???
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HMS Armadale Castle 11 Apr 1918
"Hands cleaning troop latrines of protective coal"
We know what it means, but if we didn't ...
We do? ???
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HMS Armadale Castle 11 Apr 1918
"Hands cleaning troop latrines of protective coal"
We know what it means, but if we didn't ...
We do? ???
Course we do.
Coal was stored at various places around inside the perimeter of the ship to protect vital parts against damage from penetrating projectiles.
What could be more important than the troop latrines?
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well, some of us don't know what that means? - what on earth ( ;D )
is protective coal and why do you need it at a latrine? I would think
that what with the gases that may exist at such a location, coal would
be the last thing anyone would want there. :o
Kathy
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I haven't seen a schematic of the ship but I guess that the bogs are
between the engine room and the ship's side, or possibly on the deck
above (against "plunging fire").
Does that help?
A bit?
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So if you were on the loo just after coaling, you were safe. If it
was getting towards the next coaling, things might have been a bit iffy?
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You realise we are just perpetuating the myth about the English (sic) and toilet humour.
I
took it to indicate that as the ship had travelled to the US to bring
troops eastwards, the coal had been stored in spaces that would not be
used outward bound.
I'm getting out of my depth now, it's like trying to explain a joke. :-\
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British sense of priorities:
Patuca, 24th March 1916:
3.55
Collier Cundall came alongside to Port his Std: bow taking us rather
heavily amidships and stove in our bulwarks in lower alleyway for about
40ft.
4.00 Hands to tea.
It probably all seemed much more manageable after that ....
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British sense of priorities:
Patuca, 24th March 1916:
3.55
Collier Cundall came alongside to Port his Std: bow taking us rather
heavily amidships and stove in our bulwarks in lower alleyway for about
40ft.
4.00 Hands to tea.
It probably all seemed much more manageable after that ....
Gatecrashers at a tea party. It's like Boston 1773 all over again.
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Except I suspect the collier is one of ours ....
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So were the Bostonians, then ...
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But they didn't think they were (or wanted not to be). We're
probably starting off a major debate here, though I'm sure that's not
your intention .... ;D
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Me ???
As if I would.
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British sense of priorities:
Patuca, 24th March 1916:
3.55
Collier Cundall came alongside to Port his Std: bow taking us rather
heavily amidships and stove in our bulwarks in lower alleyway for about
40ft.
4.00 Hands to tea.
It probably all seemed much more manageable after that ....
I think I need more sleep than I'm getting...
On
my first reading of the above, I thought it said 'hands to tea', then I
looked again, and thought 'ah, it's hands to SEA! What a mondegreen!'
But then I read the whole thing again, and thought 'But it makes no
sense posting it here if it's hands to sea, because there's nothing
interesting about that, unless it's weird going to sea after the ship's
just been hit...' So I re-read it, and saw it was in fact 'hands to
TEA'.
What can I say. It's the last week of the summer holidays,
and I've done proper actual work today for the first time in weeks. I
tell you, it's no good for me.
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British sense of priorities:
Patuca, 24th March 1916:
3.55
Collier Cundall came alongside to Port his Std: bow taking us rather
heavily amidships and stove in our bulwarks in lower alleyway for about
40ft.
4.00 Hands to tea.
It probably all seemed much more manageable after that ....
I think I need more sleep than I'm getting...
On
my first reading of the above, I thought it said 'hands to tea', then I
looked again, and thought 'ah, it's hands to SEA! What a mondegreen!'
But then I read the whole thing again, and thought 'But it makes no
sense posting it here if it's hands to sea, because there's nothing
interesting about that, unless it's weird going to sea after the ship's
just been hit...' So I re-read it, and saw it was in fact 'hands to
TEA'.
What can I say. It's the last week of the summer holidays,
and I've done proper actual work today for the first time in weeks. I
tell you, it's no good for me.
You've got to feel sorry for the kids next week...
::)
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The clue is the time.
4:00pm is Tea Time (I suppose exceptions may be made in battle or if the ship is sinking)
Here in France I visit a 92 year old French woman, and at 4:00 we have tea.
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HMS Woodlark 19 Feb 1919 Changsha
A few days ago we lost, overboard, a fire bucket; in the Yangtsze River, "Light airs".
Today
"Seamen exercised pistol drill.
Stokers exercised cutlass drill"
Horses for courses, eh?
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HMS Woodlark 26 Feb 1919 Changsha
"Canvas bucket (1 Gallon) lost overboard by accident"
Versatile.
What other types of bucket can we lose?
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HMS Woodlark 26 Sept 1919 "at sea" ??? near Nanking
("at sea" seems to be used when steaming up or down river)
"Rifle practice & firing .23 "
Special issue ammunition?
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HMS Woodlark 6 Oct 1919 "at sea" near Mei Tan Chai
"9.30 Stopped engines & landed party for recreation Ship sterned while men walk along
10.30 Ship stopped & men return to ship. "
"At sea" for river gunboat HMS Woodlark seems to be running in the river.
Would "ship sterning" be allowing the ship to run stern first with the current?
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49101/ADM%2053-49101-020_0.jpg
Someone got bored, I reckon.
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Here we go again...
On Patuca they're always losing sounding gear:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-148_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-148_0.jpg)
6 PM: Lost Lead swivel Tube wire 350 Fthms
Lost plunger of sounding wire
Cheers
~~~~~~~~~~~Rogwherm
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68984/ADM%2053-68984-014_1.jpg
No 1 Warrant dated 23rd December for the deprivation of One Good Conduct Badge read.
Somebody's in trouble... ::)
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"Oh, and by the way, sailor, Happy Christmas!"
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HMS Moorhen, 7 July 1920, near Fu Lu.
"6.35 am Proceeded up river."
then in a different hand:
"Topmast carried away."
On a river, Light Airs.
Low bridge?
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;D ;D ;D
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HMS Changuinola, 10 July 1917
Stopped and boarded Swedish SS "Australia"
That just shouldn't be allowed! >:(
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They must have had one heck of a New Year's Eve party on the
Lancaster. It was only on January 12 that someone crossed out the 6 of
1916 and wrote a 7. On Jan 13, they correctly wrote 1917.
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They
must have had one heck of a New Year's Eve party on the Lancaster. It
was only on January 12 that someone crossed out the 6 of 1916 and wrote a
7. On Jan 13, they correctly wrote 1917.
In Port Stanley????
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Yup - more people than usual on sick list too.
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20 and 21 Jan are back to 1916 ;D
and 22 and 23
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HMS Moorhen (China Station)
"Rough log lost overboard during
heavy squall night July 31st - 1st August copy of log had only been
completed to 15th July. Remainder is made out from Navigating Officer's
notebook. PH" (?initials)
All right. It's been days &
days of Light airs and high temperatures, but you shouldn't leave all
the doors and windows open.
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HMS Mantua ... again
The following charges were made for
damage done to silver mess gear and heavy breakages of crockery due to
careless handling of same: J. Robinson GS 15/-, R. Shipley GS 15/-, A.
Townhill GS 15/-, S. Daddy GS 5/-, G. Irvine GS 5/-
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48288/ADM%20%2053-48288-011_0.jpg
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I figured that would represent a large sum, but it's more than I had expected.
According to http://www.measuringworth.com/ukcompare/result.php
1 GB pound (1914) equates to 74.40 today using the retail price index, or
97.70 using the GDP deflator ???
There are other measures, relating to earnings, suggesting a value of 450.00 to 600.00. :o
Ah.
That won't help some readers. 15/- is 15 shillings (20 to a pound) and would be about 55 GBP to 78 GBP.
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HMS Changuinola, 15 August 1917
3.00pm - Rec absentee J Middleton from HMS Ebro
5.00pm - Prisoner J Middleton escaped
Oops!
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HMS Changuinola, 15 August 1917
3.00pm - Rec absentee J Middleton from HMS Ebro
5.00pm - Prisoner J Middleton escaped
Oops!
Guess he REALLY doesn't want to be on board ship!
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;D Shouldn't laugh but that is funny. A determined man!
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Hope he didn't tunnel his way out.
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HMS Moorhen 22 Sep 1920 (having left Canton)
"6.20 Touched on a sunken groin causing small leak in after magazine. Slow both."
"Touched" eh?
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HMS Moorhen 2 Nov. 1920 Ngaimun
There's been no further news
of the leak in the after magazine since we "touched the submerged groin"
but that doesn't mean our luck has changed:
"One dustpan lost overboard by accident"
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Bristol
Leave to Watch from 4.0 till 7.0am
Men under 20 till 10.0pm
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HMS Moorhen 3 Dec 1920 Hong Kong
'Blocks wood 4" Two lost overboard by accident'
"Devastated" ship's team withdraws from All China Hopscotch Championship.
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"One dustpan lost overboard by accident"
I look forward to the day when some poor soul gets written up for "One dustpan lost overboard on purpose".
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"One dustpan lost overboard by accident"
I look forward to the day when some poor soul gets written up for "One dustpan lost overboard on purpose".
Perhaps you've hit upon the mystery behind "Read Warrant no. x".
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Leave to PW from 1.30 till 7.20am to men under 20 10 0pm to boys 7.0pm
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Leave to PW from 1.30 till 7.20am to men under 20 10 0pm to boys 7.0pm
"Here be cougars!" it says on the navigation chart.
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Colne 10/01/1918
"Lost overboard by accident in bad weather: -handle for sounding machine, Pat:1306..."
Is the 'Pat' the patent of the machine? and what is all the writing after this bit? ???
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38218/ADM%2053-38218-008_0.jpg
EDIT: Is the writing directly after this, more items that have been lost overboard?
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"2:30 Stoker put under arrest for refusing duty"
Same page.
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Colne 10/01/1918
"Lost overboard by accident in bad weather: -handle for sounding machine, Pat:1306..."
Is the 'Pat' the patent of the machine? and what is all the writing after this bit? ???
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38218/ADM%2053-38218-008_0.jpg
EDIT: Is the writing directly after this, more items that have been lost overboard?
Hi Sean
Pat
or Patt is normally used as an abbreviation for Pattern. It seems that
everything used by the navy had a pattern number that was unique. It
would be separate from any Patent that the manufacturers held.
Hope this helps.
K
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Thanks Tegwen, I thought the number was a little small to be a Patent number. ;D
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HMS Bramble 27 Feb 1917 Henjam Island
"3.55 Landed football party & liberty men
7.30 football party & liberty men returned. 3 absentees
8.50 3 absentees returned. Stokers Orrick & Gee placed under arrest for being drunk"
Stokers, again.
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This habit of losing things is catching. Careless lot, weren't they. ::)
HMS Tarantula on Friday 20 April 1923
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-86756/ADM%2053-86756-026_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-86756/ADM%2053-86756-026_0.jpg)
soft hair broom lost overboard by accident
(I'm
still trying to work out the first word(s) of the entry; despite the
lovely handwriting the occasional thing verges on illegible.)
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This habit of losing things is catching. Careless lot, weren't they. ::)
HMS Tarantula on Friday 20 April 1923
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-86756/ADM%2053-86756-026_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-86756/ADM%2053-86756-026_0.jpg)
soft hair broom lost overboard by accident
(I'm
still trying to work out the first word(s) of the entry; despite the
lovely handwriting the occasional thing verges on illegible.)
The first word is one. One broom lost overboard.
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HMS Marazion damaged the Iron Pier at Wei Hai Wei and hands from HMS
Ambrose had to repair it. The damage must have been consequent because
it took them the rest of the week to fix it.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-70443/ADM%2053-70443-131_0.jpg
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HMS Lancaster seems to have a real problem with coaling.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46019/ADM%2053-46019-008_0.jpg
Every
time she coals they lose overboard several shovels and sacks. This time
it is 5 shovels of two different types and 14 sacks. This is at least
the fourth time I have transcribed something similar in less than a year
of her journeys round South America.
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And again only 10 days later
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46019/ADM%2053-46019-014_0.jpg
A positively careful coaling compared with others.
Lost overboard while coaling. Patt 640 Shovels Sq No 1.
Lost overboard while coaling Patt 3 Sacks coal 2cwt No 6.
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HMS Bristol ran aground. The damage didn't seem to be that important because she could free herself immediately.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69477/ADM53-69477-131_0.jpg
Some
damage might have been reported by the divers because she tested the
steering and maneuvering but the result must have been satisfactory as
she could work her way through the various Channels of the Cape Horn
region.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69477/ADM53-69477-132_0.jpg
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From the Thistle, Oct. 2, 1915:
10.45 One man from Bramble to see Dr detained ???
just before this entry, we discharged to Hospital one man from the Thistle, one from the Britomart, who had come onboard to see our dr, and one from the Bramble, who had come onboard to see our dr.
you have to wonder why we detained one from Bramble and sent one on to the hospital ???
Kathy W.
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HMS Bristol ran aground. The damage didn't seem to be that important because she could free herself immediately.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69477/ADM53-69477-131_0.jpg
Some
damage might have been reported by the divers because she tested the
steering and maneuvering but the result must have been satisfactory as
she could work her way through the various Channels of the Cape Horn
region.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69477/ADM53-69477-132_0.jpg
Cape Horn is likely to be a good test of sea worthiness.
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Clearing a bed for a new customer?
Patient deteriorated?
Newcomer a friend of the captain?
It's
only just occurred to me that I'm transcribing HMS Bramble at present.
We're a year later in the Persian Gulf, so no help there, I'm afraid.
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HMS Bristol - 9 Sept 1918
9:30 Held Naval Court onboard to enquire into loss of SS Pentland Range
2:50 Naval Court rose.
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HMS Bramble 15 April 1917 Henjam
"2.30 Leave given to Cricket and Football Party till 5.45.
6.0 Football Party returned."
Cricket matches can last for days ...
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HMS Bramble 15 April 1917 Henjam
"2.30 Leave given to Cricket and Football Party till 5.45.
6.0 Football Party returned."
Cricket matches can last for days ...
HMS Pyramus 4th December 1917 Wej
"2.30 Special leave to Cricket party till 5.30pm"
Must be a Twenty20 match
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HMS Pyramus 4th December 1917 Wej
"2.30 Special leave to Cricket party till 5.30pm"
Must be a Twenty20 match
;D
I hope the pitch wasn't close to the water.
"Lost ball. Six and OUT!"
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Armistice Day on the Changuinola:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37556/C2-ADM53-37556-079_1.jpg
I hope the science team can live without the pm weather recordings for Liverpool! ;D
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Armistice Day on the Changuinola:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37556/C2-ADM53-37556-079_1.jpg
I hope the science team can live without the pm weather recordings for Liverpool! ;D
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=168302
"What happened in Liverpool in 1918
Within
one minute of Mr Lloyd George's announcement in the commons at 10:20
a.m on Monday, November 11, 1918, that an armistice had been signed with
Germany and that hostilities would cease at 11. a.m, the Echo was on
sale in the streets giving the great news
... The Echo - well
prepared - gave the first news, and newsboys were swept off their feet.
Men rushed into cafes and restaurants shouting the glad news. Strangers
on the street shook hands with each other and then , the sirens of every
ship on the Mersey proclaimed the news in a glad "Cock-a-doodle-do"
call.
Crowds began to collect in the streets. The town hall drew
hundreds, and the hoisting of the flag was the signal for the Lord Mayor
(Colonel John Ritchie) to come to the balcony accompanied by the ex-
Lord Mayor, (Alderman Utting) and the Father of the Council, Sir William
Forwood. A short speech, and the venerable Sir William led the singing
of the National Anthem.
On all the commercial exchanges there were
speeches, singing of the National Anthem, and wild cheering. The Cotton
Exchange closed down there and then remained closed until the following
Thursday. At the G.P.O. telegraphists at 11 a.m rose as a body and well
led, sang with enthusiasm "God Save the King," followed by prolonged
cheers.
By this time people all over Liverpool had trooped out onto
the streets. Work was abandoned for the day, and althouh offices and
shops remained open there was practically no-one to serve or buy.
Lord
Street and Church street was the venue for parading, cheering, singing
throngs, and trams threaded their way with difficulty through the crowds
Lorry
loads of American soldiers from the camp at Knotty Ash celebrated the
occasion in their own way discharging guns and revolvers in the air. The
Lord Mayor sent the city's congratulations to the King by telegram and
received a reply of thanks.
A thanksgiving service was immediately
announced for the next day at St Nicholas Church, and wa duly attended
by the Lord Mayor who heard Bishop Chevasse preach."
Being
Liverpool, the weather probably used the Armistice as an excuse to take
the afternoon off. Not that it would be a great loss - Liverpool, mid
November.
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looks like someone spilled their tea at the news!
:o
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Good to think of the Changuinola's crew singing and dancing in the
streets of Liverpool that afternoon! This is the first time I've
had 11 November 1918 come up in a log I've transcribed. Quite
affecting, knowing it is an original log and not a copy.
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HMS Colne, 15/02/1918
"7.50 Major Hamen RMA and orderly embarked for passage."
Anyone heard of him?
"3.20... Discharged 3 ratings to s/m E2."
This is the first submarine I have seen mentioned in Colne's logs. ;D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38218/ADM%2053-38218-026_0.jpg
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HMS Colne, 15/02/1918
"7.50 Major Hamen RMA and orderly embarked for passage."
Anyone heard of him?
RMA is probably Royal Military Academy Sandhurst.
A quick search has not produced that particular spelling so it would be tricky to find a match without a forename.
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Having said that, there is one that appears in the medal recipients
list.
(http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=MedalRolls&rank=1&new=1&so=3&MSAV=0&msT=1&gss=ms_db&gsln=hamen&dbOnly=_F0003FD8|_F0003FD8_x&dbOnly=_F0003FD9|_F0003FD9_x&uidh=000)
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HMS Colne, 15/02/1918
"7.50 Major Hamen RMA and orderly embarked for passage."
Anyone heard of him?
"3.20... Discharged 3 ratings to s/m E2."
This is the first submarine I have seen mentioned in Colne's logs. ;D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38218/ADM%2053-38218-026_0.jpg
It looks more like Major Hamer RMA to me. (It looks like the r in Var to the left and less like the n in the Dardanelles).
Here's some candidates, but I doubt that it's either of these two:
HAMER, Fred, Boy 1c, J 89948, Delhi, 24 May 1920, drowned
HAMER, Harry, Able Seaman, RNVR, Mersey Z 607, RND, Hawke Battalion, 18 May 1919, discharged, illness in UK
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I agree with Hamer but I don't with Royal Military Academy. RMA
means: Royal Marine Artillery, see:
http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1005-Abbreviations.htm
And I think I found him:
http://www.unithistories.com/officers/RM_officersH.html
You'll have to scroll a bit down.
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Good spot, tastiger. The url wasn't there when I replied. :-[
Great work, hk!
(I figured he was an instructor.)
Dismissed the Service in 1941 ... According to:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/research-guides/rm-research.htm#16586
"Marines Courts Martial
.... Court martial registers are closed for 75 years from the last date on the file."
Five years to wait.
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Thanks all!
Looking at it today it is clearly Hamer, even the
'r' in major is the same. Luckily I could go back and correct it.
Thanks hk for the extra information on him.
I was hoping I added the link before anyone noticed it was missing -obviously not fast enough to beat Bunts! ;)
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You have to be pretty darned fast to beat Bunts ;D
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I was hoping I added the link before anyone noticed it was missing -obviously not fast enough to beat Bunts! ;)
You have to be pretty darned fast to beat Bunts ;D
Verily, it should be written "The early bird offtimes flies up a blind alley and gets the wrong end of the stick." ;D
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Some industrial unrest on the Changuinola, 16 January 1919
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37556/C2-ADM53-37556-112_1.jpg
09.30am All MMR ratings refused duty pending decision of Admiralty re demobilisation and Mercantile rate of wages.
11.30am Received orders from Admiralty through SNO stating ship was to be paid off. MMR ratings returned to duty.
It appears we abandoned coaling at that point!
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Liverpool was less harmonious than it was on 11th November 1918.
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Britomart seems to have invented a new game - see the log entries in
the afternoon for a sporting party leaving and returning. Looks
like 'foolbatt' to me! Though of course Bunt's eagle eyes may well
explain how this is a perfectly respectable way of spelling a more
familiar game ...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36266/ADM%2053-36266-005_0.jpg
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Britomart
seems to have invented a new game - see the log entries in the
afternoon for a sporting party leaving and returning. Looks like
'foolbatt' to me! Though of course Bunt's eagle eyes may well
explain how this is a perfectly respectable way of spelling a more
familiar game ...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36266/ADM%2053-36266-005_0.jpg
Ah.
Not many people know this: it was a new sport intended for the 1920
Olympics in Belgium. We intended not to publish the rules in time for
any other country to field a team; ensuring a "Gold" for GB.
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Britomart
seems to have invented a new game - see the log entries in the
afternoon for a sporting party leaving and returning. Looks like
'foolbatt' to me! Though of course Bunt's eagle eyes may well
explain how this is a perfectly respectable way of spelling a more
familiar game ...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36266/ADM%2053-36266-005_0.jpg
Ah.
Not many people know this: it was a new sport intended for the 1920
Olympics in Belgium. We intended not to publish the rules in time for
any other country to field a team; ensuring a "Gold" for GB.
Is there time to revive this cunning plan before 2012?
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HMS Changuinola, 12 April 1915
4.30am General Quarters
That's just mean!
Two warrants read out in the afternoon. Could these two events be connected, I ask myself.
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HMS Changuinola, 12 April 1915
4.30am General Quarters
That's just mean!
Two warrants read out in the afternoon. Could these two events be connected, I ask myself.
Maybe they're getting prepared for the new Foolbatt game in the Britomart Olympics?
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62354/ADM%2053-62354-002_1.jpg
... An examination of The Aneriod showed it to contain an ANT'S NEST and to be otherwise defective. ...
Of all the things that could ruin a barometer. ;D
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58294/ADM%2053-58294-112_1.jpg
Afternoon: Hands employed cleaning returning ammunition.
"You're order for today is to clean the ammunition and return the poop deck... no wait!" ;D
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Forty killed cleaning shells with wire brushes.
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Colne 28/02/1918,
Colne leaves port with a convoy directly
below mid-page. A decent amount of ships, trawlers and other boats are
named if anyone is interested.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38218/ADM%2053-38218-032_1.jpg
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Otranto, 4th February 1916, in Sydney:
All beds collected and disposed of in pond.
And a little later - new beds issued to crew.
Wonder what was going on?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54109/ADM%2053-54109-004_0.jpg
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I dunno but, drawing a couple of things together, I wonder whether this may be apposite:
dorbel has explained that warships were pretty unhealthy places, airless and damp;
on one ship I've seen a reference to fumigating the forecastle (I think).
Maybe the "beds" were suffering from mildew or unwelcome lodgers, but I have even less idea about the "pond".
???
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After running aground on February 22nd (see reply No. 1061) the divers went nearly every day underwater to work on the rudder and finally they repaired it.
I feel sorry for those poor divers who had to work in waters with temperatures close to the freezing point.
When
I posted that incident I wrongly supposed that the damage was not that
important but after transcribing more pages I realized that they had
real problems:
HMS Bristol could not maneuver easily as she has
to use her engines to turn. The engine crew must have had quite a bad
time running forward or aft each engine in turn to make the ship
steerable, but most of that time she was moored, first at Port Tamar at
the western entrance to the Magellan Pass and than at Fortescue Bay.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69477/ADM53-69477-154_1.jpg
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I'm in Oct 1918. I started with April 1918. The 1918 log keeper is
much easier to read. It sounds like I missed a lot of excitement.
Did you do 1918 already?
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Yes, until early 1919, I was than sent back to 1914. I hope that you
can than also transcribe some action Bristol had. ;)
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HMS Cyclamen 4 Nov 1923 Persian Gulf.
"0815 Proc'd 90 revs as reqd to navigate in Shatt al Arab.
0845 Passed through Satan's gap"
(Whether Satan liked it or not.)
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From the Thistle:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62870/ADM%2053-62870-006_0.jpg
Warrant read and then out the door!
Kathy
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Warrant No.1 is rare - is this the very start of a voyage?
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maybe - I experienced a time jump forward in the log - I was in
Scotland and it was May, and then it was September and we were on our
way to Singapore - I did most of September and there wasn't anything re
warrants then, so, maybe, this is the first one of that voyage.
Kathy
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HMS Cyclamen 31 Dec 1923 Magil
"0615 Hands rigging illuminating circuits
2045 Illuminated ship"
Let the party begin.
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HMS Cyclamen 1 Jan 1924 Mohammerah
"0800 Dressed ship overall with flags on Anniversary of Proclamation Day
1200 Fired salute of 31 guns
1245 Undressed ship"
Would that be Abe Lincoln's Proclamation?
It's the only one I could find ...
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HMS Mantua, Sierra Leone, 1917
I searched but I couldn't find this catastrophe mentioned on the forum:
Lost overboard out of sling
1 pkg chocolate 50 lbs
8 " milk
1 " limejuice, 10 lbs, broken
1 " limejuice " empty
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48296/ADM%2053-48296-006_0.jpg
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57312/ADM%2053-57312-005_0.jpg
Do you think the captain was temporarily confused? ???
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AND he left out the wind speed!
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57312/ADM%2053-57312-006_0.jpg
Back to normal now! He must of been having a bad day. ;D
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HMS Mantua, Sierra Leone, 1917
I searched but I couldn't find this catastrophe mentioned on the forum:
Lost overboard out of sling
1 pkg chocolate 50 lbs
8 " milk
1 " limejuice, 10 lbs, broken
1 " limejuice " empty
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48296/ADM%2053-48296-006_0.jpg
Caro, did you just search in this thread? This incident had its very own thread:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1062.msg9909#msg9909
There is no way I could have just glossed over a tragedy of this magnitude! ;D
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Yes Su, I was sure I had seen it before. And I knew you wouldn't have let it go by unmentioned.
I must have chosen the wrong (or too many) words for the search.
Beg pardon! :-[ ;D
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I have often thought Search was not finding all occurrences. I just
did a little experiment and I think I know what is happening.
If I
search for chocolate from Old Weather Forum I get only one entry in
Dockside Cafe / Re: Worse things happen at sea (...... on the
forum: Lost overboard out of sling 1 pkg chocolate 50 lbs 8 " milk
1 " limejuice, 10 lbs, ......)
The same thing happens when I start from Dockside Cafe.
However, when I start from Worse things happen at sea I get 10 entries.
It appears that the search only displays the last occurrence in a thread - unless you are in that thread.
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Um, not sure about this, randi. I've just searched for
chocolate from the initial forum page, and got 22 entries, from a range
of different threads. (Sadly none of them were actually edible -
virtual chocolate is just not the same!)
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Yes, I get 22 also, but I think you only get 1 per lowest-level
thread/topic even if it occurs more than once in thread. Because of
that, you may not find the entry you are actually looking for (if it is
not the last).
Hard to explain in words!
Try
searching at the 3 different levels - when you are actually at that
level (Old Weather Forum, Dockside Cafe, and Worse things happen at sea)
and I think you will see what I mean.
Hopefully these attachments will help
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Colne 16/05/1918,
"8.50 Explosion and fire on board SS Pebble alongside Reliance."
Luckily we were there to remove ammunition and petrol as well as extinguish the fire. ;)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38220/ADM%2053-38220-011_0.jpg
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HMS Bristol
12:30am - Burnt Searchlights for Exercise
01:30am - Broken by accident 1 24" Searchlight Mirror
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Colne,
"~ rating discharged to 'Europa' for punishment"
Surly Europa is not that bad. ;D
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Often food is lost overboard. This time a weapon is on the menu ::)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53895/ADM%2053-53895-008_0.jpg
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I don't know if I am mistaken but the route from Buenos Aires to
Amsterdam via Gibraltar does not lead north of Faroe Islands. Dutch S/S
Maasland must be a bit out of course. See 7/0 entry
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53895/ADM%2053-53895-010_1.jpg
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I
don't know if I am mistaken but the route from Buenos Aires to
Amsterdam via Gibraltar does not lead north of Faroe Islands. Dutch S/S
Maasland must be a bit out of course. See 7/0 entry
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53895/ADM%2053-53895-010_1.jpg
That is some zigzag. :-\
Sounds fishy to me.
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You are rights Bunts. Lucky for them that you were not Orvieto's Captain :)
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HMS Bramble 22 Jan 1918 Bombay
"7.30 Dockyard employees on board
9.18 Dockyard employees left ship"
No trade union, then?
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HMS Bristol
Ship MET :P
U.S.S. Tacomo swung foul of ship carrying away ensign staff and 1 Awning Station
(I suspect it is the Tacoma, but I think the log keeper ended with o)
Not so pleased to meet you...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36164/ADM%2053-36164-011_1.jpg
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That's the trouble with the Americans, steering on the wrong side of the harbour. ;D
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That's the trouble with the Americans, steering on the wrong side of the harbour. ;D
That's the trouble with the British, steering on the wrong side of the harbour. ;D
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That's the trouble with the Americans, steering on the wrong side of the harbour. ;D
That's the trouble with the British, steering on the wrong side of the harbour. ;D
no.. that should be "harbor" ;D
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That's the trouble with the Americans, steering on the wrong side of the harbour. ;D
That's the trouble with the British, steering on the wrong side of the harbour. ;D
no.. that should be "harbor" ;D
;D
We were parked. >:(
You both say tomato and I say :P
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That's the trouble with the Americans, steering on the wrong side of the harbour. ;D
That's the trouble with the British, steering on the wrong side of the harbour. ;D
no.. that should be "harbor" ;D
Oh! Dear! ::) ;D
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HMS Bramble 9 Feb 1918 Maskat
"Held Naval Court on Master of SS Devon"
No previous mention of SS Devon, no indication of context, no mention of resolution nor Master's name.
???
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SS Devon does not seem to have gotten shot nor done anything
earth-shaking that would have it listed in history books. But
there are over 20 pictures of at least 3 different ships named "SS
Devon" in
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20D/slides/Devon-01.html
I do wonder just what that master did to get himself in trouble with naval discipline!
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Beat them to it!
Here's a good 'un.
Around 10 AM Patuca stops a Danish schooner, only to find an armed guard from HMS Patia on board already!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-172_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-172_0.jpg)
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Beat them to it!
Here's a good 'un.
Around 10 AM Patuca stops a Danish schooner, only to find an armed guard from HMS Patia on board already!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-172_0.jpg
;D
No mention of of a demarcation dispute. Imagine the grin on the master's face.
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I've had that on the Changuinola too - we even had to provision one
of the armed guards. I'm just longing for an entry where they
decide not to let the vessel proceed! ;D
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I've
had that on the Changuinola too - we even had to provision one of the
armed guards. I'm just longing for an entry where they decide not to let the vessel proceed! ;D
Look
for a berth around the Persian Gulf. Gunboats are best for sinking a
dhow or two, after displaying due diligence for the occupants.
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I've
had that on the Changuinola too - we even had to provision one of the
armed guards. I'm just longing for an entry where they decide not to let the vessel proceed! ;D
Look
for a berth around the Persian Gulf. Gunboats are best for sinking a
dhow or two, after displaying due diligence for the occupants.
Cadmus sloops do it for a passtime. And there are still significant chunks to be done on both Odin and Clio.
K
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Cadmus sloops do it for a passtime. And there are still significant chunks to be done on both Odin and Clio.
K
Hello, a commercial break. ;D
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HMS Mantua
With some trepidation, having searched thoroughly, I report this from November 25, 1917:
12:00 Patent log out of order
1:10 Streamed non-electric log
1:12 Non-electric log out of order
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Oh you kid.
Here is a note marked in the box under the Lat. Long. box, 8 May 1916
"Cautioned
Temporary Acting Lieutenant James M. Coates RNR for being under the
influence of liquor at 9 pm on Sunday 7th May 1916 at sea.
T Dannreuther
Commander in Command"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-177_0.jpg
Also remarkable that day at sea was the number of other Navy ships met:
HMS Motagua
HMS Changuinola
HMS Victorian
HMS Oratava
HMS Andes
HMS Mantua
And not all at once mind you, but spread out one by one from morning to evening.
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They are all Atlantic Patrol ships - it looks like the Patuca was
sailing down the patrol line. The other ships would all have been
sailing across the line at intervals. Was Patuca coming in to
coal? Or perhaps just seeking the Mantua as one of the crew needed
the surgeon?
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An interesting day on HMS Crocus, 23 November 1922. A burial service
was held in the morning and a sailor was buried at sea. In the
afternoon a Court of Enquiry was held into the sailor's death. To finish
off the day, the captain held a "lantern lecture" in the evening with
the subject "Ants and their ways".
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The ant's nest in the barometer was in Aug 1920...
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See the midnight entry -
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62873/ADM%2053-62873-008_1.jpg
they need to go back to Clerkenwell & Shoreditch with their fellows ;D too much champagne perhaps? ;)
Kathy W.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37095/ADM-53-37095-116_0.jpg
This seems to me a rather curiously made up convoy that the Carnarvon has here: two merchant ships and six submarines!
I
guess either the SS Prophet & Midland have an incrediby important
and valuable cargo - or the submarines just happened to need to get
across the Atlantic so it was thought best that we should all go
together!
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I'm pretty sure someone has reported a similar coincidence, but I'm
very pleased with my four of a kind. It's never happened for me in a
card game or a fruit machine. :(
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I'm
pretty sure someone has reported a similar coincidence, but I'm very
pleased with my four of a kind. It's never happened for me in a card
game or a fruit machine. :(
Unfortunately, for him, he didn't have barometer temperature. I think you hold the record ;)
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1432.msg17206#msg17206
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Well, I know one sad individual (me) said she always imagined she
could hear the jackpot spilling out of the fruit machine on the rare
occasions this happened, and someone else (whom I won't name - unless he
wants to admit to it himself) said he was tempted to shout "House!" - I
think it is in the "Signs of addiction" thread.
I haven't had a
four-in-a-row for ages, as the Changuinola only had three
readings. Perhaps the Carnarvon can come up with one for me!
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HMS Bramble 8 July 1918 Bushire
It's just like buses. I've waited 12 months for a full house and now I've collected two on consecutive days.
Randi, you are a star of the first magnitude.
Ha, Keith. Take that! :P
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Well, I know one sad individual (me)
I
haven't had a four-in-a-row for ages, as the Changuinola only had three
readings. Perhaps the Carnarvon can come up with one for me!
How could you possibly be sad when you've had a four-in-a-bedrow ???
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Well,
I know one sad individual (me) said she always imagined she could hear
the jackpot spilling out of the fruit machine on the rare occasions this
happened, and someone else (whom I won't name - unless he wants to
admit to it himself) said he was tempted to shout "House!" - I think it
is in the "Signs of addiction" thread.
I haven't had a
four-in-a-row for ages, as the Changuinola only had three
readings. Perhaps the Carnarvon can come up with one for me!
It
is ;D the link to it is in my post just before yours
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1432.msg17206#msg17206).
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HMS Bramble 20 July 1918 Bushire
This is getting boring.
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I dont mind admitting that it was me that shouted "house". Not too
loud, but loud enough that my wife who was working next to me at the
time wanted to know what was happening.
Sad, I know.
In my defence it was a particularly boring period for dear old HMS Odin, which is still only 89% complete by the way.
K
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HMS Bramble 21 July 1918 Bushire
You know what the Good Book
says about "Pride, Haughty Spirit, Fall and Destruction" ? (not
necessarily in that order) Well ... here's another matching set.
In my defence it was a particularly boring period for dear old HMS Odin, which is still only 89% complete by the way.
K
;D
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I think it's time for a new stickied thread... Naval Log Poker!
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I think it's time for a new stickied thread... Naval Log Poker!
;D
Sorry.
I got a bit excited.
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I think it's time for a new stickied thread... Naval Log Poker!
;D
Sorry.
I got a bit excited.
No - I'm actually serious! That'd be a cool little competition... full houses, straights, flushes....
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HMS Bristol (aka HMS Brislot)
Held Educational examination for L.S.
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HMS Carnarvon, 16 September 1915 - a foggy(f4) morning in Halifax NS:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37095/ADM-53-37095-150_0.jpg
6.33am - Hailed by Examination Steamer
6.35 Half ahead port, half astern starboard
6.37 Stopped starbd
6.38 Struck on port quarter by tug "Scotsman"
Then, as if that wasn't bad enough -
6.40 Struck port amidships by schooner "Tarrantine(?)" carrying away schooner's head gear(?)
7.0 Tug Scotsman towed schooner clear
The intervening 20 minutes were presumably spent in a three-way argument about whose fault it was!
I
am not 100% confident about the name of the schooner, so if anyone can
make it out better, please say. (The word "gear" is simply
disappearing off the page, but I can't think what else it could be.)
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HMS Bristol (aka HMS Brislot) - 26 Feb 1919
11:00am Guard of Honour at Instruction
1:15pm Guard of Honour at drill
4:00pm 20 Cases of soap received onboard Sent empty cases ashore.
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HMS Carnarvon, 6 October 1915
3.00am Sounding as requisite
5.00 Lost overboard by accident 1 lead & 60 fms sounding wire
8.00 Lost overboard by accident 1 lead & 50 fms sounding wire
Didn't lose anymore after that so presumably someone explained that you were supposed to hold on to the other end! ;D
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;D
Have you checked your crew?
That loss of sounding equipment sounds familiar ;)
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HMS Bristol (aka HMS Brislot) - 26 Feb 1919
11:00am Guard of Honour at Instruction
1:15pm Guard of Honour at drill
4:00pm 20 Cases of soap received onboard Sent empty cases ashore.
27 Feb
10:00am Guard of Honour at drill
28 Feb
6:00am Hands cleaning ship + preparing for dressing ship
8:00am Dressed ship over all.
7:00pm Undressed ship
1 Mar
10:00am Guard of Honour at Drill
1:00pm Landed Guard of Honour
7:05pm Guard of Honour returned
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Feb
23, 2011 Uruguay's President, Jose Mujica, has issued a decree
declaring Monday, February 28, 2011, as a one-off national holiday to
coincide with the beginning of the official events commemorating
Uruguay?s bicentennial.
After seeing so many of you dig for more and more information, I'm starting to do it too - if only on a small scale ;)
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;D
Have you checked your crew?
That loss of sounding equipment sounds familiar ;)
I've
just done a search, and I don't think this particular incident has been
reported before. There's a previous mention on this thread of
sounding gear being lost from the Patuca (though not twice on the same
day!)
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Juno's log, 28 January 1917: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45477/ADM%2053-45477-017_0.jpg
7.5 a/c N56W 1 Hazelwood fender lost overboard by accident.
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FIRE FIRE
S.S. Exmoor, one of the ships in the convoy HMS Orvieto is escorting, has her bunkers on fire.
Answering
the request for assistance must have been slow because Emergency Signal
Number 1 was exercised after S.S. Exmoor left the convoy for the
nearest harbour at Pernambuco.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53902/ADM%2053-53902-017_1.jpg
A few days later:
While exercising 6" guns a thermometer has been broken.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53903/ADM%2053-53903-003_1.jpg
The sound wave produced by those guns must have been quite tremendous to brake a thermometer positioned on the bridge.
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ACTION STATION
Periscope sighted, depth charges dropped, unknown result.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53903/ADM%2053-53903-014_1.jpg
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HMS Bristol - 22 Mar 1919
6 hands ashore decorating
???
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36164/ADM%2053-36164-044_0.jpg
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HMS Bramble 19 Feb 1919 Bombay
Emerging into the basin after several weeks in dry dock, the fire plant having been tested daily, today we see:
"Tested fire plant (no water)"
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HMS Bramble 9 March 1919 off Muscat
Having been buffetted all
night by force 8 winds and a heavy swell that destroyed a steam launch
and washed mats and buckets overboard:
"4 clinical thermometers, 18oz measure, 12dr. measure, 1 eye cup, 1 earthen bed pan broken by vessel rolling & pitching.
4.0(am) Heavy sea, decks flooded & ship labouring heavily. Lost overboard 3 - 4in 12pdr drill cartridges."
Hope the bed pan was empty ...
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'Steady ahead, Number 2' ;)
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;D
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HMS Bristol - 22 Mar 1919
6 hands ashore decorating
???
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36164/ADM%2053-36164-044_0.jpg
HMS Bramble 4 May 1919 Muscat
"Hands ashore painting hospital"
A grey hospital, perhaps?
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49114/ADM%2053-49114-015_1.jpg
December 25, 1920
2:00 PMish: Christmas Day.
I think this is the first time I saw Christmas recognized in the logs!
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HMS Bramble 6 July 1919 Muscat
"Hands washing down.
Lost overboard 1 thermometer No. 10860 and guard.
New thermometer in use No. 2816"
Really vigorous washing, that.
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See position in the middle of the page:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57910/ADM%2053-57910-011_1.jpg
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See position in the middle of the page:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57910/ADM%2053-57910-011_1.jpg
I just did that page! What's the second ship's name after noon? First one looks like Iran.
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See position in the middle of the page:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57910/ADM%2053-57910-011_1.jpg
I just did that page! What's the second ship's name after noon? First one looks like Iran.
I got Ho~ Bee. Sorry, I'm probably not much help...
What date are you on now? I'm on April 21st.
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See position in the middle of the page:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57910/ADM%2053-57910-011_1.jpg
I just did that page! What's the second ship's name after noon? First one looks like Iran.
I got Ho~ Bee. Sorry, I'm probably not much help...
What date are you on now? I'm on April 21st.
I
had to stop to eat dinner and take care of the baby and 2 year old...
gonna sleep for a couple hours and work on it again when the baby wakes
up to get fed :)
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See position in the middle of the page:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57910/ADM%2053-57910-011_1.jpg
I just did that page! What's the second ship's name after noon? First one looks like Iran.
I got Ho~ Bee. Sorry, I'm probably not much help...
What date are you on now? I'm on April 21st.
I
had to stop to eat dinner and take care of the baby and 2 year old...
gonna sleep for a couple hours and work on it again when the baby wakes
up to get fed :)
I had to stop to; I spent all day at the computer and my eyes were hurting..,
But I'm able to get a full night's sleep, so I shouldn't complain. ;)
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See position in the middle of the page:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57910/ADM%2053-57910-011_1.jpg
I just did that page! What's the second ship's name after noon? First one looks like Iran.
Might be 'Hong Bee' which I think I encountered somewhere in one of my previous ships?
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Looks like Hong Bee to me.
from the ShipsList http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/ellerman4.htm
City of London (2) 1876 1900 sold to Wee Bin & Co, Singapore renamed Hong Bee.
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11 August 1914, HMS Carnarvon, approaching Cape Verde Islands
The one that got away!
4.25am - Signalled Austrian SS Guda (or possibly Ouda) bearing North
What I have learned today on OW is that war was not declared on Austria-Hungary until 12 August 1914!
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And now the one that didn't get away!
23 August 1914, HMS Carnarvon
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37094/ADM53-37094-036_1.jpg
1.15pm Sighted steamer
1.55 Steamer hoisted German Merchant Colours
2.20 Stopped on Starbd beam of SS Professor Woumann. Sent away boarding party
Mr Wilson. Bri~~~~ Subp~~ ~~
Herr Krumm German Naval Reserve transferred to Carnarvon
Dismantled ~ Wireless Gear
4.20 Proceeded (Prize) Professor Woumann took station on Starb Quarter
The name of the captured ship is correctly SS Professor Woermann
(I may have misread the writing of course ;D ) and according to
Wikipedia this happened on the 24th, not the 23rd - but as we all know,
Wikipedia don't like primary sources so I won't try to correct it
::)
If anyone can read the rest of the line about Mr Wilson, please let me know what it says!
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I made it Mr Wilson, British subject on first reading but that seems a bit odd and I am definitely open to correction.
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I'll go with British subject, but there seems to be one more word?
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I also thought "British" seemed odd, because I had in mind that Mr
Wilson was from the Carnarvon - but now I realize that he must have been
a British crew member on the Professor Woermann. Bet he was glad
to see the Carnarvon!
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Bet he was glad to see the Carnarvon!
Only
if he could show that he joined ship on or before 4th August 1914,
otherwise he would be consorting with the enemy, unless he was a
passenger.
SS Professor (as she was renamed after seizure) was used to "repatriate" German nationals from South Africa:
http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~jensj/Slekt/Luderitz/LuderitzRepatriation1915/index.html
Oh. I think it is the correct spelling Woermann he's used.
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This is, probably, worse than would happen at sea.
According to
the log book page of Admiralty standards, fog varies in density from f1
(light fog) to f5 fog thick enough to halt navigation:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1018.0
HMS
Orcoma, 13 November 1917 Liverpool (probably, no mention of Location
for days since she berthed at Canada Dock) has decided that these
recommendations are inadequate.
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Welland's log, 3 April 1915: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68368/ADM%2053-68368-004_1.jpg
6.5 Commenced coaling. Lost overboard by accident 4 coal bags.
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This is, probably, worse than would happen at sea.
According
to the log book page of Admiralty standards, fog varies in density from
f1 (light fog) to f5 fog thick enough to halt navigation:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1018.0
HMS
Orcoma, 13 November 1917 Liverpool (probably, no mention of Location
for days since she berthed at Canada Dock) has decided that these
recommendations are inadequate.
Maybe the log-keeper was a photographer, and the 'f6' written was an aperture stop rather than a meteorological observation...?
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;D
With a 40 second exposure ...
That should be sufficient to get a photo of his hand in front of his face. As long as he wasn't shivering.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68174/ADM%2053-68174-018_0.jpg
May 30th, 1918 HMS Warrior
Today being a national holiday, no work was done.
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Today being a national holiday, no work was done.
That would be US Memorial Day ;D
Wiki:
Memorial Day: Honors the nation's war dead from the
Civil War onwards; marks the unofficial beginning of the summer season.
(traditionally May 30, shifted by the Uniform Holidays Act 1968 to the
Last Monday in May)
Actually it has existed from the Civil War onwards, but honors all of our war dead.
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See if you can detect the pattern:
Welland's log, 3 April 1915: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68368/ADM%2053-68368-004_1.jpg
6.5 Commenced coaling. Lost overboard by accident 4 coal bags.
6 April 1915: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68368/ADM%2053-68368-006_0.jpg
5.50
Weighed. Proc'd alongside SS Harlseywood. Commenced
coaling. Lost overboard by accident 5 coal bags. 47 tons.
11 April 1915: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68368/ADM%2053-68368-008_1.jpg
10.15 Commenced coaling. Lost overboard by accident 6 coal bags.
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Someone on Welland really does not like handling coal bags! :o
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I had to wonder if they were full or empty...
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Lost overboard at sea one paravane No 1838 type C III and one P.IIP shackle.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53909/ADM%2053-53909-017_0.jpg
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Someone on Welland really does not like handling coal bags! :o
Reminds me of CPO Pertwee & his unlce Ebeneezer, who between them did a roaring trade in war 'surplus' supplies... ;)
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Dont put an ink bottle on the log book while sailing in bad weather.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53910/thumbs/ADM%2053-53910-011_thumb.jpg
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It's rather beautiful, but I doubt the Admiralty thought so!
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Dont put an ink bottle on the log book while sailing in bad weather.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53910/thumbs/ADM%2053-53910-011_thumb.jpg
I added this on to the earlier entry in "Messiest Page Competition". It will take the prize! ;D
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Dont put an ink bottle on the log book while sailing in bad weather.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53910/thumbs/ADM%2053-53910-011_thumb.jpg
In the Rorschach (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rorschach_test) stakes, this is definitely a (rather smug) predatory feline...
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Dont put an ink bottle on the log book while sailing in bad weather.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53910/thumbs/ADM%2053-53910-011_thumb.jpg
I added this on to the earlier entry in "Messiest Page Competition". It will take the prize! ;D
Thanks Janet. I could have posted nearly the whole month. This page was the worst.
Interesting link heffkit.
I agree with you helenj, the Admiralty officer must really have been upset by this.
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It looks like an ancient alien shroud to me, but then I'm on cough syrup, so everything looks like that.
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Just wondering whether there's any connection between these two successive entries ....
9.0 Depth charges set to 'safe'
10.0 Divine Service :D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54675/ADM%2053-54675-148_0.jpg
And Deej - hope the hallucinatory effects of the cough syrup wear off before too long (unless you're enjoying them of course!)
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that one is quite creepy to me - I would love to see what Caro would do with it (Hint Hint)
:o ;D
Kathy
It is the perfect time of year for it
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HMS Caroline 17Nov. 1921
31 guns salute at 6.45, 8.45 and 10.30 :o
The next days were very quiet ! ;D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-72753/ADM%2053-72753-089_0.jpg
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HMS Caroline 17Nov. 1921
31 guns salute at 6.45, 8.45 and 10.30 :o
The next days were very quiet ! ;D
Surely this should have been posted by ElizabethR, rather than ElizabethB...? ;)
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I'm here incognito ! ;D
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I'm here incognito ! ;D
<discreet bow>
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Arise, Sir Bunts ! ;D
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Arise, Sir Bunts ! ;D
(Having read the first word twice, just to make sure)
Thank you, Ma'am.
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Arise, Sir Bunts ! ;D
(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/knight.gif)
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;D Whoa, jennfurr! Where'd you find that little emoticon?!
Arise, Sir Bunts, indeed! :o
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;D Whoa, jennfurr! Where'd you find that little emoticon?!
Arise, Sir Bunts, indeed! :o
I
was trying to find a smiley being knighted but have been
unsuccessful. I just do a google search. My main smiley
stash is at work and I won't be back for another week.
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I
was trying to find a smiley being knighted but have been
unsuccessful. I just do a google search. My main smiley
stash is at work and I won't be back for another week.
8)
Don't tell me,
you entered "Queen of Hearts - off with his head!"
Right?
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This is the best knight I can find, who isn't fighting:
(http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/10404/Knight.gif)
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This is the best knight I can find, who isn't fighting:
Thanks for that; I'm not great on fighting.
And he's got the English emblem on his shield. What more could a chap want?
(Thinks: you know how we
have "re-creations" of jousting contests, do you have similar events
[no, not rodeos] with knights sporting Stars and Stripes sent back 600
years in a Tardis?)
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This is the best knight I can find, who isn't fighting:
Thanks for that; I'm not great on fighting.
And he's got the English emblem on his shield. What more could a chap want?
(Thinks: you know how we
have "re-creations" of jousting contests, do you have similar events
[no, not rodeos] with knights sporting Stars and Stripes sent back 600
years in a Tardis?)
We
do have reenactments of the Civil War and the Revolutionary War (you
know, the one where the British fall down and go boom?) :D
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This is the best knight I can find, who isn't fighting:
Thanks for that; I'm not great on fighting.
And he's got the English emblem on his shield. What more could a chap want?
(Thinks: you know how we
have "re-creations" of jousting contests, do you have similar events
[no, not rodeos] with knights sporting Stars and Stripes sent back 600
years in a Tardis?)
We have renaissance fairs, but they don't wear the stars and stripes.
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This is the best knight I can find, who isn't fighting:
Thanks for that; I'm not great on fighting.
And he's got the English emblem on his shield. What more could a chap want?
(Thinks: you know how we
have "re-creations" of jousting contests, do you have similar events
[no, not rodeos] with knights sporting Stars and Stripes sent back 600
years in a Tardis?)
We have renaissance fairs, but they don't wear the stars and stripes.
I
was an awesome Mary Queen of Scots. I don't see how they could
wear those clothes all the time though - the outfit was BLAZING hot!
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Lots of fantasy in the renaissance fairs, we like to imagine what we
want the medeival ages to have been. But no one thinks the stars
and stripes were there. ;D
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We
do have reenactments of the Civil War and the Revolutionary War (you
know, the one where the British fall down and go boom?) :D
Yeah, yeah.
You grab an alligator, fill his mouth with cannonballs and powder his behind ... ;D
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I
was an awesome Mary Queen of Scots. I don't see how they could
wear those clothes all the time though - the outfit was BLAZING hot!
The clothing clue is in the word "Scots". It can be cold and damp up there ...
Mind you, England wasn't much better. The Thames used to freeze over and they had "Frost Fairs" there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Thames_frost_fairs
(Eek, I have to be up in five hours)
G'night.
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Police onboard with two firemen.
I could not identify the reason why they are onboard. See 3-45 entry.
Thanks for any help.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47472/ADM%2053-47472-075_1.jpg
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Could it be Stealing Boat (or Boats) with an extra l in stealing crossed out (Steal
ling)?
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Thanks, Ill correct that.
The next day all left the ship with the Officer of the Day.
No further information was given.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47472/ADM%2053-47472-076_0.jpg
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HMS Princess, off East Africa, 9 Jan 17 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-55864/Z1-ADM53-55864-007_0.jpg)
4/45 Nos/ 13 + 14 Warrants read
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Princess170109-warrants.png)
It strikes me, would there be any support for the idea of a separate 'Warrants read' thread?
- or is this OTT, and just too OCD*?!
Sorry about all the TLAs...
...i.e. three letter acronyms ;D
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I think most of the warrants read, since they are disciplinary
actions, are in the thread: If you find letters or other misc in the
logbooks... (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=718.0)
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I
think most of the warrants read, since they are disciplinary actions,
are in the thread: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=718.0)
OK, thanks, randi_2 - I'll post mine there. :)
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HMS Princess, off East Africa, 9 Jan 17 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-55864/Z1-ADM53-55864-007_0.jpg)
4/45 Nos/ 13 + 14 Warrants read
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Princess170109-warrants.png)
It strikes me, would there be any support for the idea of a separate 'Warrants read' thread?
- or is this OTT, and just too OCD*?!
Sorry about all the TLAs...
...i.e. three letter acronyms ;D
Er
... it seems to be my role to dampen everyone else's enthusiasm ... but
after a while doesn't "Read Warrants Nos X, X+1 & X+2" get a bit samey? ::)
It would be interesting if we only knew what they were for, but we've got a few more years to wait for that.
We
could have a competition for most warrants read out at once - I've had
six on the Carnarvon - but no doubt someone can beat that!
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Er
... it seems to be my role to dampen everyone else's enthusiasm ... but
after a while doesn't "Read Warrants Nos X, X+1 & X+2" get a bit samey? ::)
Yes,
but in the thread If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=718.0) it says: "We need a
little help from everyone. If, when you're transcribing log
sheets, you come across letters or disciplinary action records, please
post the image URL here...."
I'm not 100% sure warrants read qualifies, but I've been putting them there....
Some people do, some don't.
I
have been just giving ship name, date, and warrant number and not the
URL. I guess I will start including that too. Since there aren't that
many warrants it isn't that much work.
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Hi cyzaki. What we are looking for are letters and other notes like this:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34038/ADM53-34038-007_0.jpg
That's
what I thought, thanks ;D I don't think it was clear in the
original post that what you are looking for is anything that's not a log page.
Well,
based on the above posts in the "If you find letters ... " thread I've
not put anything in that thread unless it is some sort of additional
document. ???
Whether or not it's a lot of work to post
warrant details may depend on the ship! Changuinola - not a lot of
work; Carnarvon & Macedonia - warrant after warrant after
warrant! ::)
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Usually the effects of a man who died are sold, but this time the
effects of two deserters are sold. I have checked in the kings
regulations and the effects can be sold when the deserters or absentees
are not found and that the ship is not close to a depot where those
effects must be delivered.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48296/ADM%2053-48296-011_0.jpg
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Usually
the effects of a man who died are sold, but this time the effects of
two deserters are sold. I have checked in the kings regulations and the
effects can be sold when the deserters or absentees are not found and
that the ship is not close to a depot where those effects must be
delivered.
I
wonder whether they would fetch market value rather than the inflated
amount that would be obtained for the effects of deceased comrades? And I
wonder if that money would go to relatives?
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Usually
the effects of a man who died are sold, but this time the effects of
two deserters are sold. I have checked in the kings regulations and the
effects can be sold when the deserters or absentees are not found and
that the ship is not close to a depot where those effects must be
delivered.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48296/ADM%2053-48296-011_0.jpg
What are the effects?
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The 'effects' are his possessions.
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The 'effects' are his possessions.
Ah, okay. Thanks! :)
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I checked again in the Kings Regulations, but nothing is written
about what has to be done with that money. The Naval Disciplinary Act
1866 indicates what has to be done with the proceeds of the sale.
http://www.pdavis.nl/NDA1866.htm
You'll have to scroll a bit until you find section 24 where the procedure is mentioned.
That
leads me to another point which has often been transcribed. "Articles
of War read to the Ships Company". The first part of the Naval
Disciplinary Act 1866 contains the Articles of War. This Disciplinary
Act was used until 1957 when it was replaced by the Naval Discipline Act
1957.
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Er
... it seems to be my role to dampen everyone else's enthusiasm ... but
after a while doesn't "Read Warrants Nos X, X+1 & X+2" get a bit samey? ::)
Yes,
but in the thread If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=718.0) it says: "We need a
little help from everyone. If, when you're transcribing log
sheets, you come across letters or disciplinary action records, please
post the image URL here...."
I'm not 100% sure warrants read qualifies, but I've been putting them there....
Some people do, some don't.
I
have been just giving ship name, date, and warrant number and not the
URL. I guess I will start including that too. Since there aren't that
many warrants it isn't that much work.
Not
that many warrants? must be nice! I'm on HMS Yarmouth, and
this most recent time warp dropped me into April 1913. Everything
was going along fine, and there didn't seem to be any discipline issues,
very few warrants and no detailed reprimands. But at some point
before war broke out, the ship paid off in Hong Kong or Singapore or
somewhere, and had a new crew take over the next day. Well,
whether they have a lot of hard-horse lieutenants, or whether they have a
crew that can't restrain itself, I don't know, but for a while it
seemed like there was at least one warrant being read weach week.
Once
war was declared and they started working on a war footing, things
improved for the most part, but coaling and long port stops still seems
to bring out the worse in someone. Our current stop in Colombo saw
5 warrants read at once on the most recent page I transcribed.
I wish I could go back in time and see if it was the managers or the managees who were causing the problems...
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hard-horse lieutenants
8)
(New to me.)
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hard-horse lieutenants
8)
(New to me.)
I
think it's probably a phrase that fell out of favor between Nelson's
time and our own -- I've never run into it outside of POB's books, don't
know if I ever stumbled across it in Hornblower because it's been
nearly 30 years since I read those. You could substitute
"martinet" if you like... :)
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I
think it's probably a phrase that fell out of favor between Nelson's
time and our own -- I've never run into it outside of POB's books, don't
know if I ever stumbled across it in Hornblower because it's been
nearly 30 years since I read those. You could substitute
"martinet" if you like... :)
Oh.
I thought it was one that you
had invented. Substituting "horse" for an alternative word for "donkey"
to comply with the forum's "good taste" criteria. ;)
"Martinet" I have encountered but I can't say where. Captain Bligh? Capain Ahab?
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I
think it's probably a phrase that fell out of favor between Nelson's
time and our own -- I've never run into it outside of POB's books, don't
know if I ever stumbled across it in Hornblower because it's been
nearly 30 years since I read those. You could substitute
"martinet" if you like... :)
Oh.
I thought it was one that you
had invented. Substituting "horse" for an alternative word for "donkey"
to comply with the forum's "good taste" criteria. ;)
"Martinet" I have encountered but I can't say where. Captain Bligh? Capain Ahab?
I had to look up martinet!
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37094/ADM53-37094-084_1.jpg
HMS Carnarvon, 25 November 1914
Rear Admiral Stoddart transferred his flag from Defence to Carnarvon.
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HMS Bramble 8 July 1918 Bushire
It's just like buses. I've waited 12 months for a full house and now I've collected two on consecutive days.
Ha, Keith. Take that! :P
OK Bunts - I'll see your 4 of a kind and raise you 5 of a kind...
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Princess180403-5x81.png)
HMS Princess 3 Apr 17 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-55867/Z1-ADM53-55867-004_1.jpg)
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HMS Bramble 8 July 1918 Bushire
It's just like buses. I've waited 12 months for a full house and now I've collected two on consecutive days.
Ha, Keith. Take that! :P
OK Bunts - I'll see your 4 of a kind and raise you 5 of a kind...
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Princess180403-5x81.png)
HMS Princess 3 Apr 17 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-55867/Z1-ADM53-55867-004_1.jpg)
::) Oh, kit.
Page 3, Rule 7.a.ii
"Wild cards are not permitted, and Jokers shall be ignored."
(I decided not to comply with that last part ... obviously ;D )
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HMS Cumberland 7 Feb 1918 Glascow
"Attached thermometer of Barometer broken"
At
last it has been realised. That thermometer has regularly shown
temperatures 20 degrees higher than the other one. "Today" it was
reading a nice 72 (in Feb. in Glasgow :o ) as opposed to the other one
reading 51.
I was beginning to wonder whether it was mounted directly above the fire place.
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HMS Cumberland 7 Feb 1918 Glascow
"Attached thermometer of Barometer broken"
At
last it has been realised. That thermometer has regularly shown
temperatures 20 degrees higher than the other one. "Today" it was
reading a nice 72 (in Feb. in Glasgow :o ) as opposed to the other one
reading 51.
I was beginning to wonder whether it was mounted directly above the fire place.
HMS Cumberland 16 Feb 1918 at sea (N. Atlantic)
The thermometer has been fixed and seems to be back on the captain's chimney breast.
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I need a new 'face' for this - one going 'uugghh'.
Otranto, 19th June 1918, location unknown.
'Hands employed drawing & discharging stores & old meat'. Imagine your own 'face' here!
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I need a new 'face' for this - one going 'uugghh'.
Otranto, 19th June 1918, location unknown.
'Hands employed drawing & discharging stores & old meat'. Imagine your own 'face' here!
Hence the command: "Heave away!"
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I need a new 'face' for this - one going 'uugghh'.
Otranto, 19th June 1918, location unknown.
'Hands employed drawing & discharging stores & old meat'. Imagine your own 'face' here!
Hence the command: "Heave away!"
:D :D :D
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Otranto, 19th June 1918, location unknown.
'Hands employed drawing & discharging stores & old meat'. Imagine your own 'face' here!
Hence the command: "Heave away!"
[/quote]
:D :D :D
[/quote]
Ta.
In
other circumstances, I'd say you make a good straight-man or a good
feed but neither seems appropriate at this point. ;)
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HMS Bramble 8 July 1918 Bushire
It's just like buses. I've waited 12 months for a full house and now I've collected two on consecutive days.
Ha, Keith. Take that! :P
OK Bunts - I'll see your 4 of a kind and raise you 5 of a kind...
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Princess180403-5x81.png)
HMS Princess 3 Apr 17 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-55867/Z1-ADM53-55867-004_1.jpg)
Bunts - we have similar buses in Herefordshire...
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Princess170411-5ofakind.png)
HMS Princess, 11 Apr 17 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-55867/Z1-ADM53-55867-008_1.jpg)
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Bunts - we have similar buses in Herefordshire...
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Princess170411-5ofakind.png)
HMS Princess, 11 Apr 17 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-55867/Z1-ADM53-55867-008_1.jpg)
H'mm.
I shall have to adapt my chess strategy to this game.
It
is a gambit I employ to ensure a draw when it seems that I'm in danger
of losing a match. I call it: "Board to floor, in one".
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HMS Cumberland 7 Feb 1918 Glascow
"Attached thermometer of Barometer broken"
At
last it has been realised. That thermometer has regularly shown
temperatures 20 degrees higher than the other one. "Today" it was
reading a nice 72 (in Feb. in Glasgow :o ) as opposed to the other one
reading 51.
I was beginning to wonder whether it was mounted directly above the fire place.
HMS Cumberland 16 Feb 1918 at sea (N. Atlantic)
The thermometer has been fixed and seems to be back on the captain's chimney breast.
HMS Cumberland 19 Apr (Primrose Day) 1918 Halifax NS
Greater divergence.
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HMS Cumberland 16 Feb 1918 at sea (N. Atlantic)
The thermometer has been fixed and seems to be back on the captain's chimney breast.
HMS Cumberland 19 Apr (Primrose Day) 1918 Halifax NS
Greater divergence.
It's almost as if the barometer temp is in oF, and the others in oC! :D
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HMS Cumberland 7 Feb 1918 Glascow
"Attached thermometer of Barometer broken"
At
last it has been realised. That thermometer has regularly shown
temperatures 20 degrees higher than the other one. "Today" it was
reading a nice 72 (in Feb. in Glasgow :o ) as opposed to the other one
reading 51.
I was beginning to wonder whether it was mounted directly above the fire place.
HMS Cumberland 16 Feb 1918 at sea (N. Atlantic)
The thermometer has been fixed and seems to be back on the captain's chimney breast.
HMS Cumberland 19 Apr (Primrose Day) 1918 Halifax NS
Greater divergence.
Their electric log must be working overtime!
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HMS Cumberland 5 July 1918 Bermuda
"Shifted berth. Master Attendant in charge.
Touched North Bkwater Mole Hd. causing slight damage.
Carried out basin trial at slow speed (successful)"
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HMS Bristol - 13 Dec 1914
4am HMS Dresden reported at Punta Arenas
??? perhaps the 4am explains it :-\
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69477/ADM53-69477-095_1.jpg
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Colne Nov 1914,
"0.50 Put clocks back 50 min."
Moved into a different time zone perhaps? ???
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69620/ADM%2053-69620-005_0.jpg
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Back to 12 noon. :o
That meant it was time for dinner ... again.
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Colne Nov 1914,
"0.50 Put clocks back 50 min."
Moved into a different time zone perhaps? ???
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69620/ADM%2053-69620-005_0.jpg
I
went through that when I started - when sailing distance, they
frequently reset their clocks daily to AST (Approximate Ship Time)
although not all ships give it that label, and any time they will be
coming into anyone's local waters, they set the clocks to local
time. This means the shifts are frequently odd numbers of minutes,
not even hours. And they will make the daily adjustments
sometimes in different shifts; Dorbel (I think it was him anyway) said
that is so the pain of longer shifts and the joy of shorter shifts get
distributed fairly among the crew.
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Sometimes even the rats get hungry and eat what they find. The
marine drummer must not have been quite happy finding his drum half
eaten away.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34370/ADM53-34370-009_0.jpg
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What beautiful writing :'( :'( :'(
Greetings from Bristol ;)
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Thanks Randi.
I hope you'll get a better writing with your next ship. :D
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At least it's the most interesting voyage I have had to date - and lots of place names for my table! ;D
I'm getting used to the writing (I'm not sure if that is good or bad ;)). I can read most of it now.
(I sure hope that the next lot of logs has some ships around Latin America!)
Also, it makes an interesting contrast with the same ship in 1918-19. Much different atmosphere here at the start of the war.
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At least it's the most interesting voyage I have had to date - and lots of place names for my table! ;D
I'm getting used to the writing (I'm not sure if that is good or bad ;)). I can read most of it now.
(I sure hope that the next lot of logs has some ships around Latin America!)
I love your chart!!!
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37094/ADM53-37094-128_1.jpg
HMS Carnarvon
"Ships company mustered by the Open List & received the Royal Christmas Cards."
And it's only 17 February! :o
The
log doesn't specify whether Princess Mary's pencils were included, or
whether we are still waiting for these. This is genuinely the
earliest I have seen any mention of the Royal Christmas gift - they've
been distributed in April/May 1915 on other ships I've worked on, where
it's been recorded at all.
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HMS Juno, 23rd Dec 1915 at Bushire, Iran, at midday, apparently
'Calm' weather conditions can mean Force 3! Link:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-45465/ADM%2053-45465-014_1.jpg
Wonder if the OOD had been at the ship's Christmas pud early?
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HMS
Juno, 23rd Dec 1915 at Bushire, Iran, at midday, apparently 'Calm'
weather conditions can mean Force 3! Link:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-45465/ADM%2053-45465-014_1.jpg
Wonder if the OOD had been at the ship's Christmas pud early?
That definitively counts as an original logkeeper error, and gave 3 transcribers a smile.
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What was going on here? On 5th October 1917 Teutonic records
'mercurial barometer damaged by gunfire' - but they're proceeding down
the Mersey! Who was firing at whom?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62744/ADM%2053-62744-005_1.jpg
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I bet it was training -
they forgot to take it down before the exercises began -
Kathy
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What
was going on here? On 5th October 1917 Teutonic records
'mercurial barometer damaged by gunfire' - but they're proceeding down
the Mersey! Who was firing at whom?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62744/ADM%2053-62744-005_1.jpg
We are talking about Liverpool skallies here! Liverpool & Everton rivalry goes back a long way...
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HMS Juno again, 17th April 1916 after a high-speed dash across the
Indian Ocean to Bombay, log keeper forgot Lat & Long use 2 points of
compass - he only used 'N'!
See http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-45469/ADM%2053-45469-011_1.jpg
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What
was going on here? On 5th October 1917 Teutonic records
'mercurial barometer damaged by gunfire' - but they're proceeding down
the Mersey! Who was firing at whom?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62744/ADM%2053-62744-005_1.jpg
We are talking about Liverpool skallies here! Liverpool & Everton rivalry goes back a long way...
:D :D :D
Kathy
reckoned they were practising, which may perhaps be more likely (!) -
they never seem to record any training, unlike other ships I've been on,
but I guess they must have done some.
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Hi again folks
First time I've seen this
On Patuca
28 Jan 1917, around 6 pm: Wind Direction "SEE" - doesn't
exist in standard notation, and no SEbyE nor nothing. Maybe the
Lieut. had missed his tea or something.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54675/ADM%2053-54675-130_0.jpg
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I think this log keeper may have been finding life a bit boring ....
Teutonic, 23rd October 1917, somewhere in the North Sea:
9.35 16" B.L. charge found wet in gun and thrown overboard.
1.10
Lat 71 15 Long 9 25 E passed 6 floating objects, cylindrical in shape,
apparently 80 gall. oil drums. rusty in colour, 1 pale blue.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62744/ADM%2053-62744-014_1.jpg
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Maybe he was distracted by Lieutenant Curlicue above ;)
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Unusual entry from HMS Lancaster 5th October 1918, off the Coast of Peru.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46037/ADM%2053-46037-010_1.jpg
"Thrown overboard charges B.L. 6" 11 1/2 lbs 390; 10 lbs - 396 in accordance with C.M.O. 2938/18"
Why would they suddenly receive an order to throw overboard something approaching 8000lbs of charges for their main armament?
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Defective lots. It has come up before, various forms of
rockets or shells being condemned because they may be defective enough
to explode aboard ship.
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=830.msg7515#msg7515
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=2007.msg26179#msg26179
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1555.msg17505#msg17505
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Teutonic is having a bad few days. Sadly I'm not sure where
they are, as this logkeeper seems to think that 'at sea' will do fine as
a location - but obviously a long way north, as temperatures are down
to 29 or even below.
Having lost various things swept away by the sea
a few days ago, and regularly throwing saturated ammunition overboard,
today we also had:
8.35pm Electric whistle frozen. Starb'd 6 pdr frozen
and a little later: Back right of port 6pdr damaged by sounding boom.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62747/ADM%2053-62747-016_1.jpg
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Teutonic
is having a bad few days. Sadly I'm not sure where they are, as
this logkeeper seems to think that 'at sea' will do fine as a location -
but obviously a long way north,
That's
a reasonably accurate description, heading for Halifax N.S. in the
middle of January. So much worse when your hands are cold ...
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How on earth did you work out that location? ??? I couldn't see anything which gave any clues at all ...
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Having nothing else to do, I flicked forward a few pages till someone shouted "Land ho!"
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HMS Carnarvon, 1 April 1915
9.30am: Coal lighter came on board
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37094/ADM53-37094-151_0.jpg
I
assume the log-keeper had a senior moment and meant to say "alongside" -
though I have noted the date! Or am I just displaying my own
ignorance - perhaps there is some kind of small coal lighter that could
actually be hoisted on board?
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HMS Colne 1919,
In the Barometer column - "Barometer returned to ~Ctree~"
Does anyone know why this would happen? ???
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69623/ADM%2053-69623-029_1.jpg
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HMS Colne 1919,
In the Barometer column - "Barometer returned to ~Ctree~"
Does anyone know why this would happen? ???
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69623/ADM%2053-69623-029_1.jpg
I think it says "Barometer returned to store".
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Thanks, I think your right ;)
edit: its much easier to see when its horizontal
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69624/ADM%2053-69624-003_0.jpg
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HMS Colne 1919,
In the Barometer column - "Barometer returned to ~Ctree~"
Does anyone know why this would happen?
The
ship was sold in 1919 - might be preparing to decommission her??
I'm working logs in that period too and they are offloading coal
into lighters at Chatham.
Colin
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That would make sense, the logs stop soon as well. Sort of sad in a way... :'(
It didn't occur to me that a 'lighter' could be external to the ship, what are they?
edit:
To lend more support to your theory. Both HMS Duncan and HMS Kennet are
in dock as well, from what I can find both of these were decommissioned
in 1919 as well.
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http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Lighter+%28barge%29
A
lighter is a type of flat-bottomed barge used to transfer goods to and
from moored ships. Lighters were traditionally unpowered and were moved
and steered using long oars called "sweeps," with their motive power
provided by water currents. They were operated by highly skilled workers
called lightermen and were a characteristic sight in London's docks
until about the 1960s, when technological changes made lightering
largely redundant.
The name itself is of uncertain origin, but is
believed to possibly derive from an old Dutch or German word, lichten
(to lighten or unload). In Dutch, the word lichter is still used for
(smaller) ships that take over goods from larger ships.
The word lighter is still used in the modern ship type: Lighter Aboard Ship (LASH).
The
lighter barge gave rise to the "Lighter Tug" - a small, maneuverable
type of harbour tug. Lighter Tugs (themselves often simply referred to
as "lighters") are designed for towing lighter barges. As such, they are
smaller than a traditional harbour tug and lack the power or equipment
to handle large ships.
Lighters, albeit powered ones, were
proposed to be used in 2007 at Port Lincoln and Whyalla in South
Australia to load Capesize ships which are too big for the shallower
waters nearer the shore.[1][2]
Hong Kong widely uses lighters in
the midstream operations whereby lighters bring cargo, mostly
containers, between different ocean going vessels and to/from terminals.
Lighters in Hong Kong usually are equipped with cranes of 40-60 tonnes
capacity, and the largest ones can carry up to 300 teu containers
(empties). The lighters are not fitted with engine but towed by tug
boats. In 2007, the midstream operators handle about 2 million TEUs; and
another 5 million TEUs river trade cargo which are heavily dependent on
lighters.
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I'm fairly sure that lighters were small boats employed to move
stores, water, fuel etc round anchorages. If you had ships moored
against dock walls then the ship could be supplied easily from land but
in many places ships would be anchored in deeper water and so supplies
were sent over by water in inshore boats called 'lighters'. The
lighters would be based at the site and service any of the naval ships
using it.
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Amphibious ambition:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/8922601/Vauxhall-Corsa-becomes-danger-to-shipping-after-floating-to-sea.html
"It is not known what kept the occupants distracted as the waters rose around the vehicle."
Ah-ha.
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http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Lighter+%28barge%29
They
were operated by highly skilled workers called lightermen and were a
characteristic sight in London's docks until about the 1960s, when
technological changes made lightering largely redundant.
Once a very significant part of the capital's infrastructure, now more of a tradition:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightermen
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Thanks for the information on Lighters Randi and Studentforever ;)
Colne is now complete!!! ;D
"10.0 Paid off into Dockyard control."
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Amphibious ambition:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/8922601/Vauxhall-Corsa-becomes-danger-to-shipping-after-floating-to-sea.html
"It is not known what kept the occupants distracted as the waters rose around the vehicle."
Ah-ha.
Wonder if the car rental insurance covers such situations?
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Nicely done, Sean! (We really need a "high five" emoticon in here.)
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Amphibious ambition:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/8922601/Vauxhall-Corsa-becomes-danger-to-shipping-after-floating-to-sea.html
"It is not known what kept the occupants distracted as the waters rose around the vehicle."
Ah-ha.
Bunts,
Surely this should have been posted in 'Lost overboard...' ;)?
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Amphibious ambition:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/8922601/Vauxhall-Corsa-becomes-danger-to-shipping-after-floating-to-sea.html
"It is not known what kept the occupants distracted as the waters rose around the vehicle."
Ah-ha.
Bunts,
Surely this should have been posted in 'Lost overboard...' ;)?
Didn't think of that.
I was wondering whether the occupants may have "gone overboard" in their activity.
nudge, nudge, ;) ;)
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Bunts, I was steadfastly trying to avoid referring to any possible
'Ugandan relationships' (as Private Eye would have put it)! ::)
However, I presume the shore party involved would have been read a warrant after the incident... ;D
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Bunts,
I was steadfastly trying to avoid referring to any possible 'Ugandan
relationships' (as Private Eye would have put it)! ::)
However, I presume the shore party involved would have been read a warrant after the incident... ;D
You come in here, trying to raise the tone ... I fear that ship has sailed.
"In that, by neglect, you allowed litter on to the foreshore, and oil to contaminate the beach ..."
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Nothing at all to do with previous entries; on Minerva off Tanzania I
found this wonderful entry (they'd run aground the day before):
10am Princess proceeded. Divers examining bottom.
Someone
had obviously spotted the unfortunate image this produced, and inserted
the word 'ships' between examining and bottom ....
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49473/ADM%2053-49473-014_1.jpg
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Nothing
at all to do with previous entries; on Minerva off Tanzania I found
this wonderful entry (they'd run aground the day before):
10am Princess proceeded. Divers examining bottom.
Someone
had obviously spotted the unfortunate image this produced, and inserted
the word 'ships' between examining and bottom ....
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49473/ADM%2053-49473-014_1.jpg
That
reminds me of the (probably mythical) story of the Royal Navy ship
whose stern was nudged by a smaller craft. The captain signalled to the
offender "Touch me there again and I'll scream".
There's a heap of signalling tales here.
http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/archive/index.php?t-37823.html including:
Gibraltar signal station : "What ship?"
Queen Mary : "Queen Mary, What Rock ?"
There was a book called (I think) "Make a Signal Jack" that recounted some of the best RN signals.
Best one I remember from the book involved a fishing trawler in WWII taken up by the RN.
Flag Officer sees said trawler flying an a hoist of signal flags that make no sense and sends by light:
"What is the meaning of the signal you are flying"?
Reply:
"Regret do not know. Flags smell of fish".
I
seem to remember that RN used to print a report somewhere about the
identity of MN ships they had spoken to by aldis and the standard of
morse sent back to them.
Mind you it was fascinating watching the RN signalling to each other using clouds in the sky.
(and)
Seeing
as an exchange with an RN ship would be logged I would often finish the
exchange with 'What have you got in your sandwiches'? or 'Have you seen
my Teddy Bear'? there was never a reply!
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HMS Cumberland 23 Mar 1919 Barbados
"1.6(am) Put clocks on 1 hour
0.30(pm) Put clocks back 1 hour"
# You put your right arm in, your right arm out ... #
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HMS Cumberland 24 Mar 1919 Barbados
(12 midnight) "Put clocks on 1 hour"
# And you shake it all about #
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HMS Cumberland 25 Mar 1919 Barbados
(12 midnight) "Put clocks on 1 hour
0.30(pm) Put clocks back 1 hour"
# You do the Hokey Cokey #
(Well, you do around my way.)
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Did they have daylight saving time back then?
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Did they have daylight saving time back then?
Yes, but it lasted more than half a day at a time.
They kept it up until the end of March (I haven't looked further) except for Sunday when they were at sea.
I wonder if they were getting orders to sail which were then cancelled. ???
(If it hadn't been for this bit of fun, I'd have been asleep for ages. G'night)
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Good night, sleep well.
(http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/12075/CatSleeping.gif)
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# You do the Hokey Cokey #
(Well, you do around my way.)
Surly you mean "Das Hokey Kokey"? ???
Video starts near the end for some reason...
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tD5P7RsC9TI&vq=small
On the left is English comedian Bill Bailey, you may have seen him or the other guy in the t.v. show Black Books
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# You do the Hokey Cokey #
(Well, you do around my way.)
Surly you mean "Das Hokey Kokey"? ???
On the left is English comedian Bill Bailey, you may have seen him or the other guy in the t.v. show Black Books
"Half Man; Half Hobbit"
Oh. "And don't call me Shirley!" ;D
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I'd call that little ditty The Hokey Pokey - That's what its all about!
;D
Kathy
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I knew there are alternative titles; add in "Cokey - Cokey".
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Oh. "And don't call me Shirley!"
Roger Roger!
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Ack...
I picked a bad day to stop sniffing glue ;D
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what can you make of this, johnny?
A hat, a broach, a pterodactyl!
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Oh. "And don't call me Shirley!"
Roger Roger!
;D
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Ack...
I picked a bad day to stop sniffing glue ;D
;D ;D
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CRASH POSITIONS!!!!
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All of this is giving me a drinking problem :P
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Super Super parody of Kraftwerk!
ROFL ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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what can you make of this, johnny?
A hat, a broach, a pterodactyl!
That's not important right now.
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Try this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tD5P7RsC9TI&vq=small ;D
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HMS Virginian 9th August 1918 Halifax NS
2.40 AB Swallow knocked down no4 hatch by sling, cargo (shells). PO Woolley in charge.
3.10 Swallow (ab) left in ambulance to RCNH Injuries dislocation of hip contusions on face
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67414/ADM%2053-67414-007_1.jpg
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Try this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tD5P7RsC9TI&vq=small ;D
So
that's what the '#t=124' at the end of the link did! It starts playing
124 seconds in, I still don't know how it got there though...
Thanks Caro, ;)
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Bad accident on HMS Trent:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63494/ADM%2053-63494-127_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63494/ADM%2053-63494-127_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63494/ADM%2053-63494-128_1.jpg
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That is nasty - and why repair zones need to be somehow marked off
around machinery. It is incredibly easy someone concentrating on
their job to forget where other work is going on - especially when there
has been quiet for a couple of minutes.
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That's just horrible. And it's best not to visualize it for too long.
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A busy day for HMY Atalanta (to be found in the logs of HMS Astraea)
The
Norwegian SS Ydun collided with Isabel Monk a coastal cargo. Both ships
sunk and the survivors were picked up by HMY Atalanta and HMY Bachante.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34373/ADM53-34373-010_0.jpg
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HMS Trent had a failed mutiny:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63495/ADM%2053-63495-026_1.jpg
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HMS Trent had a failed mutiny:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63495/ADM%2053-63495-026_1.jpg
ya see, this is what happens when I leave trent to go do dishes! How DARE I do housework???
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I'm having my lap top surgically attached on Monday ;D
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HMS Trent had a failed mutiny:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63495/ADM%2053-63495-026_1.jpg
I checked to see if this matched with the 26 men court martial but that was some 14 months earlier.
Nice to see he remembered to take note of the weather.
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HMS Trent had a failed mutiny:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63495/ADM%2053-63495-026_1.jpg
Now
that's the sort of entry we want more of! I've just had 6
warrants read at one go on Minerva, but not a hint about what was going
on. :(
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HMS Trent had a failed mutiny:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63495/ADM%2053-63495-026_1.jpg
Now
that's the sort of entry we want more of! I've just had 6
warrants read at one go on Minerva, but not a hint about what was going
on. :(
Several
deserters are still missing a couple days later, and the people who had
been taken to jail are back on board under arrest. And one of the
Boys was returned by police escort! Of course, the weather is
still "fine & clear".
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HMS Clio 6 May 1914 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38067/C2-ADM53-38067-0108_0.jpg) at Hankow
8-0-0
Dressed ship over all British & Russian ensigns at the main, in
honour of Accession day of HRH the King and of Birthday of HM the
Czarina
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Clio140506-Czarinasbday.png)
Noon. Fire salute of 21 guns in honour of HM The Czarina's birthday
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Clio140506-Czarinasbday2.png)
0.7 Fired salute of 21 guns in honour of HM the King's accession day. (One 3pdr saluting cylinder lost overboard by accident)
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Clio140506-Czarinasbday3.png)
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...and 2 days later (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38067/C2-ADM53-38067-0109_0.jpg) on HMS Clio (same place)
1.55 Japanese cruiser "Kasagi anchored flying Rear Admiral's flag.
2.5 Fired 13 gun salute in honour of Jap. Rear-Adm.
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Clio140508-Japrearadm.png)
...it's all happening there! :)
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...it's all happening there! :)
Noisy; even before war was declared.
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...it's all happening there! :)
Noisy; even before war was declared.
;D ;D
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HMS Virginian
Rum locker found open :o
Perhaps that explains the number of times the wet bulb temperature has been higher than the dry ;)
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Dorbel - I couldn't resist copying your post here (from The Logs http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=2234.0) ;)
I'm doing Atalanta too ...
This log also contains my all time favourite log entry, "Heaved up and proceeded". Very choppy off Milford Haven? Too many oysters at dinner? We'll never know.
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HMS Cumberland 31 Jan 1920 (probably Queenstown)
"Divine Service.
The Bishop of Cork preached.
C in C attended Divine Service"
Big Guns trained in same direction.
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HMS Virginian
Rum locker found open :o
Perhaps that explains the number of times the wet bulb temperature has been higher than the dry ;)
I *finally* took the time to read about the difference between wet and dry bulb temperatures. Pretty neat (and smart!)!
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On May 31st 1913 S.S. GlenLyon went aground off Aldabra
(Seychelles) it seams that the crew was picked up by the French gunboat
Vaucluse. Three weeks later HMS Astrea arrived at the wreck's location.
They took over the crew of S.S. GlenLyon, examined the wreck and went to
Zanzibar.
From Wrecksite.eu
S.S. GlenLyon was a British cargo steamer on a voyage from Delagoa Bay to Karachi with coal onboard.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34351/ADM53-34351-039_1.jpg
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Please see the 9:30 am entry -
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62915/ADM%2053-62915-004_0.jpg
I wonder what the lecture was about?
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HMS Carnarvon October 1916
"8.30 27 Stoker ratings left to join Russian ice breaker on trials."
Should this be recorded? If so, what is the correct place 'other' or 'person left ship'?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37096/ADM-53-37096-141_1.jpg
"Ships corporal Taylor left ship for recovery of deserters."
Again, where is the correct place to record this?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37096/ADM-53-37096-147_1.jpg
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I would put the first one under 'other' as there are no named people
involved; and the second under 'person' as there is a name (if not
perhaps a terribly helpful one!) That's been my general
principle - no doubt someone will let both of us know if I'm leading you
astray .... ;)
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HMS Carnarvon October 1916
"8.30 27 Stoker ratings left to join Russian ice breaker on trials."
Should this be recorded? If so, what is the correct place 'other' or 'person left ship'?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37096/ADM-53-37096-141_1.jpg
"Ships corporal Taylor left ship for recovery of deserters."
Again, where is the correct place to record this?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37096/ADM-53-37096-147_1.jpg
Since
no name is given in the first it would be under 'other' if recorded. I
believe it falls under the heading of 'if it is interesting to you'. I
probably would...
On the second, since there is a name it would
be under 'person'. I would suggest 'person-other' so you can add the
comment. I try to note all names in case people try to use our work to
search for someone, but even that isn't obligatory.
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I
would put the first one under 'other' as there are no named people
involved; and the second under 'person' as there is a name (if not
perhaps a terribly helpful one!) That's been my general
principle - no doubt someone will let both of us know if I'm leading you
astray .... ;)
Lead on, Sister.
Whither thou goest, I would follow.
;)
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Thanks for clarifying, that's the method I have been
following. Still it's good to confirm that what I have been doing is
correct. ;)
You may be interested to know that three deserters were returned on board a few days later.
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What a small world it is. This evening ('evening' in Oz
anyway) I also transcribed the page from HMS Carnarvon that referred to
the 27 stoker ratings transferred to the Russian icebreaker (also a
couple of references to deserters - it seems that Canada must have
appeared more attractive than the North Atlantic).. A bit of
googling suggests that the ice breaker was probably the 'Mikula
Selianinovich', which is a bit of a mouthful if you've been splicing the
mainbrace.
Although this is probably not the correct place to
ask, I think I'll take advantage of the presence of some of the more
learned members of our little community. If I want to add in some
information that I think is relevant but which is not actually in the
log - such as the name of the Russian ice breaker - what is the best way
(or the approved way) to do it? Until now, I have resorted to
inserting an 'event/other' that contains (for example): 'Transcriber's
comment: Russian ice breaker was probably the Mikula
Selianinovich'. I have also used this approach if I have come
across something in the log which I believe to be wrong. Is this a
reasonable thing to do, or should I limit myself to only transcribing
what has been written, warts and all?
Cheers,
Steeleye
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we have been rather firmly told not to add/correct/remove anything
from the data - both weather and narrative. We have asked for, as
an upgrade to the interface, a field for our comments - I don't know if
we will get that or not - I feel your pain - I would love to add or
correct data, but we are supposed to only record what is on the log
page, as it appears on the log page.
:( ;)
Kathy
(I
wanted to add the names of US destroyers, which are referred to only by
number in the Foxglove's logs, but was denied ;D )
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Well that's a bit of a bummer. i will try to find the page
again and consign the good Russki icebreaker 'Mikula Selianinovich' to
the deep. No more Sherlocking for me!
:(
Cheers, Steeleye
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well, I would still sherlock (a great use of a noun, by the way!) - I
do so for my on edification - sometimes I spend more time satisfying my
own curiosity that I do transcribing. ;D
Kathy
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My sin of being too keen has been absolved ... took a little while to find my offending entry though.
:'(
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There is NO SUCH SIN!!!! ;D
I can understand the reasoning behind the ruling on the field (US football reference ;D ) -
the
historians who will use this data (and I'm hoping several of us will do
so) want the fun of finding these things out for themselves.
Kathy
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I can also understand their reasoning, Kathy - though it still makes
me want to kick and scream! However, I really think that there is
good reason to have an option where the transcribers can make their own
comment. In particular, when you find a rather subtle error,
which may be entirely missed later on by the science team or by
historians, it is a real shame not to be able to note it at the time of
transcribing. One of the first rules I learnt in my science
training was: never re-invent the wheel, or in this case, never
knowingly leave an error in the data in the expectation that someone
else will find it and fix it later.
Rant over ... time for bed.
Talk to you again,
Steeleye
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I
would put the first one under 'other' as there are no named people
involved; and the second under 'person' as there is a name (if not
perhaps a terribly helpful one!) That's been my general
principle - no doubt someone will let both of us know if I'm leading you
astray .... ;)
Lead on, Sister.
Whither thou goest, I would follow.
;)
I'll be keeping a careful eye behind me from now on, then .... ::)
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I
can also understand their reasoning, Kathy - though it still makes me
want to kick and scream! However, I really think that there is
good reason to have an option where the transcribers can make their own
comment. In particular, when you find a rather subtle error, which
may be entirely missed later on by the science team or by historians,
it is a real shame not to be able to note it at the time of
transcribing. One of the first rules I learnt in my science
training was: never re-invent the wheel, or in this case, never
knowingly leave an error in the data in the expectation that someone
else will find it and fix it later.
Rant over ... time for bed.
Talk to you again,
Steeleye
agreed
- sometimes we search for a long time to find things. I've looked
on and off for days for reference to a particular island, and managed
to find it in an obscure reference, which led to my locating it on a
different map with a different name, and from there found it on
wikipedia with reference back to a different spelling of the first name
in my log. I keep track of these on my computer at home.
Randi_2 and Helenj have been doing similar things, keeping a log of
reefs, ports, islands, and lighthouses according to country, current
name, log name, and lat/long. And theres no guarantee the other
transcribers will have found the reference; I don't want the ship's
location consigned to the deep!
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I'll be keeping a careful eye behind me from now on, then .... ::)
Would that be your weather-eye, perchance?
;)
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I'll be keeping a careful eye behind me from now on, then .... ::)
Would that be your weather-eye, perchance?
;)
:D :D :D
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I think a lot of us look up things and find out more information
about things. I would say the place to record this additional
background is here on the forum. Anyone can access the forum as a
guest and our entries come up on Google. If I were a historian
using our work on the logs as part of my research, I would certainly
also search the forum!
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HMS Carnarvon, 10 February 1917
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37096/ADM-53-37096-205_0.jpg
Asst Paymaster F G Hayes RNR is hereby logged for evading the Censorship regulations in that:-
(1) He posted a letter on shore
(2) Referred therein to position and rumoured movement of the ship
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HMS Astraea, Simonstown, 5 Jan 14 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34351/ADM53-34351-139_0.jpg)
'Received 15 tons of coal for culinary purposes'
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Astraea140105-culinarycoal.png)
I've heard of 'iron rations' & 'hard tack', but this is ridiculous!! :D
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The crews really do not want dirty, smokey coal baking their
bread! The different grades of coal on the ships has been
discussed:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1556.msg17323#msg17323
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Oh it's a fun day on Trent... They had taken on a couple hundred
Lascaris to give the Trent's crew a leave, and several days later, this
shows up:
"Carpenters from Hyacinth building native latrines aft."
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The Thistle has been landing Football Parties for several days now...and now this: Please see the 8:50 entry -
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62918/ADM%2053-62918-015_0.jpg
Good to know they clean up after themselves ;D
And Jennfurr - That is both funny and icky to me :P
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Just started on HMS Galatea - logs start in 1917 , after spending a
while at Rosyth we set off into the North sea in convoy, and on 14th
August we get a collision between 2 destoyers. One of the names is a bit
hard to make out (Oracle? or Oreole?) the other was Patriot.
Sadly neither in OW at the moment, but their logs would be interesting
:)
Log image:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42346/0011_0.jpg
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42346/0011_0.jpg)
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Just
started on HMS Galatea - logs start in 1917 , after spending a while at
Rosyth we set off into the North sea in convoy, and on 14th August we
get a collision between 2 destoyers. One of the names is a bit hard to
make out (Oracle? or Oreole?) the other was Patriot. Sadly neither
in OW at the moment, but their logs would be interesting :)
Log
image: https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42346/0011_0.jpg
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42346/0011_0.jpg)
It's Oriole - a repeat M class destroyer built in 1916 - my Grand dad (a leading stoker) would have been on board her in 1917
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Just
started on HMS Galatea - logs start in 1917 , after spending a while at
Rosyth we set off into the North sea in convoy, and on 14th August we
get a collision between 2 destoyers. One of the names is a bit hard to
make out (Oracle? or Oreole?) the other was Patriot. Sadly neither
in OW at the moment, but their logs would be interesting :)
As you likely know, there was one of each. Both having short-ish careers. I believe this says "ORIOLE".
HMS Oracle 23rd December 1915 Sold for scrapping in September 1921
HMS Oriole 31st July 1916 Sold for scrapping in May 1921.
http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/moon_class.htm
ps I've typed it, so I'll post it.
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It's Oriole - a repeat M class destroyer built in 1916 - my Grand dad (a leading stoker) would have been on board her in 1917
Oh, another "connection". 8)
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It's Oriole - a repeat M class destroyer built in 1916 - my Grand dad (a leading stoker) would have been on board her in 1917
Oh, another "connection". 8)
His other ships were HMS Commonwealth and HMS Cheerful so I'll be keeping an eye out for them as well
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The HMS Carnarvon runs aground off Halifax, Nova Scotia June 9 1917
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69522/ADM%2053-69522-007_1.jpg
John Dulak
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Just about every ship I've worked on seems to have run aground at
some point - now the Carnarvon's joined the club! Was it a
frequent occurrence, or do I just have a knack for picking them?
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Just
about every ship I've worked on seems to have run aground at some point
- now the Carnarvon's joined the club! Was it a frequent
occurrence, or do I just have a knack for picking them?
I've seen one or two such ...
But, obviously, when a lady is in charge it's more likely to happen.
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Watch it, Bunts! Or I'll set one of my attack cats onto you! >:(
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Watch it, Bunts! Or I'll set one of my attack cats onto you! >:(
Not the one with nine tails? <tremble>
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They can't even muster nine tails between the lot of them!
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They can't even muster nine tails between the lot of them!
Did they come over on the Ben-My-Chree?
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HMS Aphis, 7 Feb 16 (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-33806/0006_1.jpg), Port Said
Those of a sensitive nature look away now...
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Aphis160207-pissed.png)
Now,
because of the v faint entry, I was sure the second letter was an "i" -
which image brings tears to the eyes - buoys are a couple of metres
across!... :o
Not sure whether this was suitable for Mondegreens, hence tested out here first... :-\
OK, you can look now!
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They can't even muster nine tails between the lot of them!
Did they come over on the Ben-My-Chree?
Several
of my cats are Abyssinians - legend has it that the first Abyssinian
was brought to the UK in 1868 by a soldier returning from the Abyssinian
War. No idea what ship he travelled on, but the dates are all
wrong for the Ben-My-Chree!
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A word of explanation for some of our readers. Ben-My-Chree (one of
our phase 2 ships) was built to carry goods and passengers between
Liverpool and the Isle of Man and Manx cats have no tails (it's a
genetic mutation).
The cat o'nine tails was a lash used to flog
sailors in times gone by, like the Napoleonic Wars in the late 18C,
early 19C. Read the 'Hornblower' novels by CS Forrester if you are
interested.
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Oh, now I see. Sometimes I'm just not on Bunts's wavelength - and probably just as well!
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Another one for Bunts...
HMS Aphis Port Said, 1 Mar 16 (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-33807/0003_1.jpg)*
'Green bottom touched up'
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Aphis160301-greenbottom.png)
Sorry, Aphis is a bit faint at the moment...
*PS Happy St David's Day!!
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Another one for Bunts...
HMS Aphis Port Said, 1 Mar 16 (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-33807/0003_1.jpg)*
'Green bottom touched up'
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Aphis160301-greenbottom.png)
Sorry, Aphis is a bit faint at the moment...
*PS Happy St David's Day!!
# Why is every body always pickin' on me #
Where is Charlie Brown when you need him?
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HMS Aphis, 7 Feb 16 (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-33806/0006_1.jpg), Port Said
Those of a sensitive nature look away now...
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Aphis160207-pissed.png)
Now,
because of the v faint entry, I was sure the second letter was an "i" -
which image brings tears to the eyes - buoys are a couple of metres
across!... :o
Not sure whether this was suitable for Mondegreens, hence tested out here first... :-\
OK, you can look now!
However,
as it's 'Passed' water buoy, that really would bring tears to your
eyes! They are not small buoys as you have remarked.....
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ow...
Lascar seaman reported by doctor to have ruptured
urethra while on duty. Discharged to hospital Aden for surgical
treatment.
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HMS Carnarvon 1918,
"Sighted steamer bearing Red ~15.15'~, steering NW by W, British, 1 funnel 2 masts, camouflaged, with gun."
http://www.oldweather.org/classify?vessel_id=4caf84ffcadfd3419700bb93
4.00pm
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69529/ADM%2053-69529-018_0.jpg ;D
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HMS Carnarvon 1918,
"Sighted steamer bearing ~Red~ ~15~ 1.5', steering NW by W, British, 1 funnel 2 masts, camouflage, with gun."
http://www.oldweather.org/classify?vessel_id=4caf84ffcadfd3419700bb93
Wrong link, Sean.
Excitement got the better of you?
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Fatal accident on Ben-my-Chree:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35178/0017_0.jpg
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Plane crash on Ark Royal:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34098/0053_0.jpg
Thanks to HMS Usk, no one died.
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Plane crash on Ark Royal:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34098/0053_0.jpg
Thanks to HMS Usk, no one died.
From HMS Usk's point of view:-
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-66568/ADM%2053-66568-019_1.jpg
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Not sure what happened here.. maybe too much of the rum ration? But after noon, the handwriting gets steadily worse!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63497/ADM%2053-63497-071_1.jpg
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Let's be generous and assume it was a touch of the sun! ;)
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About 10 explosions from Swakopmund heard at Walfisch Bay.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34352/ADM53-34352-142_1.jpg
Only the next day they went to investigate, only to find three horsemen riding away.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34352/ADM53-34352-143_0.jpg
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About 10 explosions from Swakopmund heard at Walfisch Bay.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34352/ADM53-34352-142_1.jpg
Only the next day they went to investigate, only to find three horsemen riding away.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34352/ADM53-34352-143_0.jpg
...of the Apocalypse? :o
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So, where did the 4th go to ? :o :o ;D
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So, where did the 4th go to ? :o :o ;D
...it was presumably either the sun, or the rum (see Ark Royal above!), or cutbacks due to the recession :D
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;D ;D ;D
Maybe he'll turn up one of these days ! ;)
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On reflection, of the four it was probably 'War' who wasn't there - he had quite a lot on his plate just about that time...
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HMS Raven II, November 1917, Port Said
"SS Kabinga while
leaving berth drove down on Ship badly holeing(sic) Port Cutter &
carrying away about half the rails on Foc'sle Pt side"
That'll be "Ship - SS Kabinga - Met" then!
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HMS Raven II, November 1917, Port Said
"SS
Kabinga while leaving berth drove down on Ship badly holeing(sic) Port
Cutter & carrying away about half the rails on Foc'sle Pt side"
That'll be "Ship - SS Kabinga - Met" then!
Preceded by "Sighted close on port bow; very close on port bow; very, very close on port b...ow! "
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HMS Raven II, November 1917, Port Said
"SS
Kabinga while leaving berth drove down on Ship badly holeing(sic) Port
Cutter & carrying away about half the rails on Foc'sle Pt side"
That'll be "Ship - SS Kabinga - Met" then!
Just posted the same thing on the Riveting Entries string, not realizing you'd posted it here!
Yes, definitely "met"... ::)
C.
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HMS Raven II, November 1917, Port Said
"SS
Kabinga while leaving berth drove down on Ship badly holeing(sic) Port
Cutter & carrying away about half the rails on Foc'sle Pt side"
That'll be "Ship - SS Kabinga - Met" then!
Preceded by "Sighted close on port bow; very close on port bow; very, very close on port b...ow! "
;D
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HMS Astraea, March 6, 1919
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34371/ADM53-34371-039_1.jpg
This
day Lieut Commander Stanley George Nancarrow RN (Retd) has been warned
for disobeying orders by exceeding his wine bill after being twice
cautioned
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They must have a discipline problem onboard of Astraea:
Two days later:
Mr Ford ~ot Artr. Benjamin admonished for an offense under the Articles of War No 43 & 51
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34371/ADM53-34371-040_1.jpg
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;D Mmmm. He is Mr FC Ford Retd Artr Engineer (I think).
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Thanks Caro I will correct as you said.
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They must have a discipline problem onboard of Astraea:
Two days later:
Mr Ford ~ot Artr. Benjamin admonished for an offense under the Articles of War No 43 & 51
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34371/ADM53-34371-040_1.jpg
Anyone
know where we can get the old version of the Royal Navy Articles of
War? I've been googling and have only found it for sale on Amazon
:/
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Google Books: The King's Regulations and Admiralty Instructions for the Government of His Majesty's Naval Service. 1906 (http://books.google.com/ebooks/reader?id=iP9KAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&output=reader&pg=GBS.PR1)
I'm
not sure what part of that was called "The Articles of War" but I'm
very sure that no one ever read all 730 pages at a single sitting.
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Google Books: The King's Regulations and Admiralty Instructions for the Government of His Majesty's Naval Service. 1906 (http://books.google.com/ebooks/reader?id=iP9KAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&output=reader&pg=GBS.PR1)
I'm
not sure what part of that was called "The Articles of War" but I'm
very sure that no one ever read all 730 pages at a single sitting.
Unless
it is radically different from the 1913(ish) edition it may not specify
the Articles of War. If you wish to check, it's here:
http://ia700508.us.archive.org/10/items/kingsregulations01greaiala/kingsregulations01greaiala.pdf
There is this 1866 publication. There is a tendency for HM publications to retain paragraph numbers in later editions.
http://www.pdavis.nl/NDA1866.htm
"43.
Every Person subject to this Act who shall be guilty of any Act,
Disorder, or Neglect to the Prejudice of good Order and Naval
Discipline, not herein-before specified, shall be dismissed from Her
Majesty's Service, with Disgrace, or suffer such other Punishment as
is[herein-after mentioned.
51. Every Person subject to this Act who
shall not use his utmost Endeavours to detect, apprehend, and bring to
Punishment all Offenders against this Act, and shall not assist the
Officers appointed for that Purpose, shall suffer Imprisonment or such
other Punishment as is herein-after mentioned."
"Prejudice of
good order" and "shall not assist the Officers" are catch-all
provisions; "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a
scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more
nor less."
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Found it - the real Articles of War, a.k.a. The Naval Discipline Act, 1866
(http://www.pdavis.nl/NDA1866.htm) as read to the navy from 1866 until
1957. In another post, which I should of searched for earlier. ::)
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One ship living up to her name.
From the log of HMS Galatea, in Rosyth October 1917
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42346/0050_1.jpg
1.25 Sailed Inconstant
2.55 Arrived Inconstant
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;D ;D
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I know it's been said elsewhere that it was asking for trouble
calling a ship "Invincible" - but what on earth made the Royal Navy
decided to call a ship "Inconstant"?!
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One rating joined from "Pickle"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49490/ADM%2053-49490-018_1.jpg
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HMS Barham, Portsmouth 21 Jun 21 (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-70949/0136_1.jpg)
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/HMSBArham210619-captainreturned.png)
Poor soul having to come all the way back just to re-park the ship...
...he'd only left the previous day :-\
and I'm fiercely resisting the temptation to make any 'Round the Horne' type innuendo re 'taking the ship up Portsmouth Harbour' ::)
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and I'm fiercely resisting the temptation to make any 'Round the Horne' type innuendo re 'taking the ship up Portsmouth Harbour' ::)
;D
Must try harder.
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https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42346/0091_1.jpg
Galatea's log 19th December 1917 in Rosyth Harbour.
See the entry just before 8am and the one just before 12N
I cant make them read other than "Landed Charleston working party" and "Charleston working party returned."
I
have to imagine a team of crewmen working on their formation
Charleston, on the quay, for 4 hours, all dressed up in flapper outfits.
Makes a change from marines route marches!!
I do realise that the 6th letter looks more like an i than an e in both cases, but there are no dots visible above so.....
I
will be happy to move this straight to the mondegreen thread if anyone
can make it read other than my reading, but mine is more fun!!
PS. A few days later I found this.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42346/0093_0.jpg
It includes at 8.55 Landed working party for Charleston Pier. An explanation, but no where near as amusing!!
http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/charlestown/charlestown/index.html
This website includes a reference to naval piers at Charlestown which is the next place to the west of Rosyth.
I added this last bit while Pete was adding his post. Thanks Pete
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There is a suburb of Rosyth called Charleston so your reading is probably correct and they were working on something there.
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Blenheim currently (Sept 1914) reports 3 submarines in Tenedos: B 9, B 10, and B 11.
B 11 seems to have had some adventures: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_B11
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35573/0072_1.jpg
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3:45am Wolverine + Scorpion sailed to carry out Visibility Trials in Blenheim's Search Lights.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35573/0080_1.jpg
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3 Hospital ships reported as arriving at Port Mudros within hours of eachother on 16th Sept 1916:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34100/0030_0.jpg
Did
something big happen shortly before/after this date to warrant all the
Hospital ships appearing? HMHS St Margaret of Scotland departed only a
few days ago, as well.
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From http://www.greatwar.co.uk/timeline/ww1-events-1916.htm
SEPTEMBER 1916
...
11th September
M. Zaimis, Greek Premier, resigns (see 16th and June 21st).
...
16th September
M. Kalogeropoulos forms new Greek Ministry (see 11th and October 3rd).
...
18th September
Greek IVth Army Corps at Kavala surrenders voluntarily to German forces.
...
19th September
Allies commence blockade of Greek Macedonian coast from mouth of the Struma to mouth of the Mesta (see December 15th, 1915).
20th September
Albanian Government of Essad Pasha set up in Salonika (see February 28th).
...
22nd September
Turkish garrison of Taif (Hejaz) surrenders to Arab forces (see June 5th).
...
25th September
M. Venizelos withdraws from Athens (see 29th and August 30th).
...
29th September
M.
Venizelos and Admiral Condouriotis announce formation of Greek
Provisional Government in Crete in opposition to the Government at
Athens (see December 19th).
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Survivors from S.S. Ardandearg came on board HMS Theseus. That ship was sunk 86 miles from Malta March 14th
by the German submarine UC-54. The survivors must have been picked up
by a ship unknown to the Theseus log keeper and brought to Milo.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-62835/0010_1.jpg
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https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-62835/0014_1.jpg
Survivors from HMS Warturn came on board in afternoon.
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Theseus must be a relief ship for survivors: They came from S.S. Wahumo.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-62835/0011_1.jpg
I checked for Tastiger's ship and mine at http://www.wrecksite.eu/Wrecksite.aspx but could find anything.
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https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-62838/0003_0.jpg
A log page from HMS Sunday on Theseus, June 2nd, 1918. ;D
(Note: I'm not this far; I'm just looking a few pages ahead.)
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;D
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I love the name of the officer sent aboard the Vonin (6.20pm) to escort it to Lerwick - Sub Lt Slaughter, RNR!
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40534/ADM%2053-40534-011_0.jpg
(Every
second ship these guys run across is ordered off to Lerwick - the place
must be filled with annoyed Scandinavian crews by now...)
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I love the name of the officer sent aboard the Vonin (6.20pm) to escort it to Lerwick - Sub Lt Slaughter, RNR!
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40534/ADM%2053-40534-011_0.jpg
(Every
second ship these guys run across is ordered off to Lerwick - the place
must be filled with annoyed Scandinavian crews by now...)
Lerwick
and Kirkwall both - they're the standard places to send ships for
searching. I suspect it's because it would be impossible to escape
from them except by sea - which if the Navy is searching your ship
isn't really an option ...
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If I remember rightly it depends whether you were stopped on the way
out or on the way back. If you were eastbound you were sent to
Kirkwall and if you were westbound you were sent to Lerwick. I
always felt particularly sorry for the sailing vessel from Sweden,
destination Iceland, that had battled through appalling storms, only to
be stopped by the Changuinola just off the coast of Iceland and sent
into Lerwick!
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HMS Bristol to the rescue:
9:10pm
- Sent boats to assist schooner aground on East end of Plymouth
Breakwater (Owner W.Tugwell ~~~~) Laid out small kedge + 4.5" grass(?)
Is grass a reference to a rope?
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36118/0008_0.jpg
Next day
5:45am - Schooner towed off by tug.
9:30am - Tug brought back kedge anchor.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36118/0008_1.jpg
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Yes, it is a grass rope. Found this:
...
A
grass line is a light weight rope with an ability to float. Normally
used, as in this case, for light duty towing. Another use was to get a
rope to a disabled vessel in rough seas when it would be hazardous to
get close enough to throw a line. The grass line would be paid out and
floated to, or across the bow of the disabled ship where it would be
picked up and hauled in, with a tow rope attached to the end.
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Thanks Janet, I thought I had seen something (too wrapped up in my new ship to think of searching for it :-[ )
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https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-62840/0004_1.jpg
Court Martial assembled on HMS Liverpool for the trial of P.O. Lavells?
HMS Theseus 5th August, 1918.
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It's unusual to get a name - normally it just says the Court was assembled, and then that it concluded - very frustrating!
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All those court records for the OW fleet will be unsealed 2013 to
2024. I've gotta wonder, how long a line will form to read them
made up of curious OW crew? ;)
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All
those court records for the OW fleet will be unsealed 2013 to
2024. I've gotta wonder, how long a line will form to read them
made up of curious OW crew? ;)
Could be a whole new addiction .... :D
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I am sure there'll be a lot of people wanting these records to be
available online - maybe Zooniverse should be approaching the Admiralty
now with a view to setting up a citizen science project to index them!
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Someone not paying attention ...
Reprimanded Temp Sub Lieut R
G King for neglect of duty as Officer of the Watch in not immediately
reporting having sighted a strange ship at night.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44356/ADM%2053-44356-086_0.jpg
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I
am sure there'll be a lot of people wanting these records to be
available online - maybe Zooniverse should be approaching the Admiralty
now with a view to setting up a citizen science project to index them!
maybe the Admiralty should be approaching Zooniverse now with a view to setting up a citizen science project to index them! ;)
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https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40534/ADM%2053-40534-033_1.jpg
7.2pm - boarded Norwegian Trawler "Fisk".
From
my slight knowledge of Swedish due to family connections, a language
very close to Norwegian, I know that "Fisk" translates as Fish.
That's right, it's a trawler named "Fish". Least imaginative shipname ever?
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https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40534/ADM%2053-40534-033_1.jpg
7.2pm - boarded Norwegian Trawler "Fisk".
From
my slight knowledge of Swedish due to family connections, a language
very close to Norwegian, I know that "Fisk" translates as Fish.
That's right, it's a trawler named "Fish". Least imaginative shipname ever?
;D
Modifying the old maxim: "Set a thief to catch a thief."
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:P
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What do you do when you've spent the last 4 days chasing trawlers
and just can't be bothered any more? Fire across their bows! (11.30am,
on the 2pm line):
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40534/ADM%2053-40534-043_1.jpg
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What
do you do when you've spent the last 4 days chasing trawlers and just
can't be bothered any more? Fire across their bows! (11.30am, on the 2pm
line):
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40534/ADM%2053-40534-043_1.jpg
Sounds
like appropriate use of available technology .... can't ring them up or
anything, so make sure they notice you! :D
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Dalhousie's problems with her milk.
I have painstakingly transcribed a total of 12 pages of Dalhousies log. Not many I know but it is hard work, due to the names.
The
only other interesting thing about her is that on every single day,
about 10-12 pm she has destroyed several tins of milk because they were
unfit for use.
The number each day varies between 8 and 60 so
far. Without going back and counting them up there must have been almost
200 tins so far and no sign of coming to the end of the process.
Here is just one example, with 12 tins.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-39393/0012_0.jpg
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Ceres appears to have encountered quite a lot of weather one evening in August in the North Sea.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37497/C3-ADM-53-37497-0019_1.jpg
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Dockyard men emp'd uncoaling ship
???
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36118/0034_1.jpg
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Ceres appears to have encountered quite a lot of weather one evening in August in the North Sea.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37497/C3-ADM-53-37497-0019_1.jpg
I think that's a new record!!!
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Dockyard men emp'd uncoaling ship
???
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36118/0034_1.jpg
I'd
guess someone's being exceptionally frugal before a massive refit in
dock, or else the dockyard men want to do repairs/improvements to the
coal bunkers.
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Ceres appears to have encountered quite a lot of weather one evening in August in the North Sea.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37497/C3-ADM-53-37497-0019_1.jpg
I think that's a new record!!!
Very nearly:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1487.msg16257#msg16257
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The Bacchante cheated - p and r are duplicates. ;D
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Dockyard men emp'd uncoaling ship
???
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36118/0034_1.jpg
I'd
guess someone's being exceptionally frugal before a massive refit in
dock, or else the dockyard men want to do repairs/improvements to the
coal bunkers.
Pretty much the same for 25, 26, and 27 Aug
Dockyard
men onboard:- 22 ShipW'ts, 3 drillers, 3 caulkers, 10
painters, 8 joiners, 16 B'lrmakers, 1 Blacksmith, 1
boy, 20 Elect'r, 4 gunfitters, 8 boy artificers,
57 Coalheavers uncoaling ship
We are definitely having a massive refit!
No explanation yet, but I suspect that you are right about "repairs/improvements to the coal bunkers".
28'th - Coalheavers uncoaling
29'th - We are now down to 11 Coalheavers (from 57) (morning)
Now 27 Coalheavers onboard (afternoon)
Finished uncoaling ship (10pm)
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I hope this doesn't mean what it sounds like!
HMS Himalaya, 16th March 1917: '6 ratings joined for disposal'.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44356/ADM%2053-44356-202_0.jpg
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HMS Ebro, 4th November 1916: "8.55am Heavy sea struck vessel on starboard bow causing damage to bow plates + scuttles"
Luckily, repaired by later that day!
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40534/ADM%2053-40534-080_0.jpg
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HMS Ebro, 4th November 1916: "8.55am Heavy sea struck + ~ on starboard bow causing damage to bow plates + scutter"
Luckily, repaired by later that day!
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40534/ADM%2053-40534-080_0.jpg
I believe it is:
Heavy sea struck vessel on starboard bow causing damage to bow plates & scuttles.
scuttles = portholes to the likes of you & me, incorrectly, as they are covers to shut out water or stop light shining out.
That was very badly constructed and punctuated. It is now marginally better.
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Quite surprised they didn't mention what they hit if it was a vessel
(the spacing on that word seems very strange). I guess it could've been
the SS Strathclyde?
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Quite
surprised they didn't mention what they hit if it was a vessel (the
spacing on that word seems very strange). I guess it could've been the
SS Strathclyde?
Hi
I
think what it means is that it was just a big wave that hit them and
caused the damage. Heavy sea is usually just another term for a big
wave.
HTH
K
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Erk, yes, I see what you mean - I was still reading it as "Heavy sea + struck vessel". I was obviously low on tea that day!
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Yet another wild day on board Himalaya:
4.30pm 1 Coal Trimmer from Trent received for passage to Simonstown Detention Barracks
7.30pm Stoker Gambil returned on board and put under arrest for breaking out of ship
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44356/ADM%2053-44356-221_0.jpg
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Join the navy and .... erm, sort the post?
Himalaya in Durban, at 6am, '1 PO & 11 men landed to sort mails at GPO'. They returned at 7am ...
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44356/ADM%2053-44356-222_1.jpg
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Very good morale booster - unless of course it's those nasty brown
envelopes containing bills. No doubt if a ship had arrived from the UK
the GPO were a bit overwhelmed so called in reinforcements.
Obviously a key requirement of the navy was versatility.
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Ceres appears to have encountered quite a lot of weather one evening in August in the North Sea.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37497/C3-ADM-53-37497-0019_1.jpg
I think that's a new record!!!
Very nearly:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1487.msg16257#msg16257
The Bacchante cheated - p and r are duplicates. ;D
7 February 1916, 8pm, HMS Hildebrand recorded "bcqhlts"
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44344/ADM%2053-44344-203_1.jpg
I claim the record!
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Three cheers for Hildebrand! I wonder whether there should be a
special sub category of the 'most weather in one record' competition'
for ships on Northern Patrol - we do seem to get more weather than in
most other parts of the world .... :D
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(http://boincstats.com/graphics/emoticons/cheer.gif)
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I've forgotten a lot of my semaphore- does your emoticon actually
make a signal? After all, signalmen at this time would have learned
morse and semaphore.
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does your emoticon actually make a signal?
I doubt it :(
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HMS Blenheim 11 March 1915,
'9.20 Sailed "Wear" flying flag of I.A.'
(I'm not sure about the I.A.)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35574/0010_1.jpg
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HMS Blenheim 11 March 1915,
'9.20 Sailed "Wear" flying flag of I.A.'
(I'm not sure about the I.A.)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35574/0010_1.jpg
Could
it be V.A.? I've seen a few cases where the two sides of the V have
been so close together you could barely tell it was a V (although not as
bad as this one!)
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HMS Blenheim 11 March 1915,
'9.20 Sailed "Wear" flying flag of I.A.'
(I'm not sure about the I.A.)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35574/0010_1.jpg
Could
it be V.A.? I've seen a few cases where the two sides of the V have
been so close together you could barely tell it was a V (although not as
bad as this one!)
What a good shout!
On
the same line, "Wear" has the "W" starting in a similar closed style,
although (four lines down) the "W" is completely different.
I think you've got it. (Not in the sense of the Little Richard recording; although that may also be true. ;D)
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HMS Empress appears to have a problem with SS Wathfield. They have managed to collide with the ship twice in a month:
On 17th July 1916
Damage to SS Wathfield.
Wash
port plate abreast of No II Hatch port side dented in several places
and split at forward upper corner four inches in length, depth of dents
about half an inch.
Cause.
Owing to ship rolling on account of swell, and HMS Aster leaving port, coaling platforms becoming out of position.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40784/0118_1.jpg
On 31st July 1916
Damage.
On
going alongside SS Wathfield at 6 AM the counter of Empress struck with
a glancing blow and dented two plates (Bulwark) port side abreast of No
4 Hatch resulting in two stanchions being bent and one broken also
bulwark rail and two plates.
Cause.
Owing
to SS Wathfield sheering about just as Empress was going alongside she
sheered towards us. Empress having moderate breeze on starboard bow
which cause her to swing very slowly
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40784/0125_1.jpg
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Could
it be V.A.? I've seen a few cases where the two sides of the V have
been so close together you could barely tell it was a V (although not as
bad as this one!)
Thanks, I think your right, the top looks much more like a V then an I. Does anyone know what the flag of V.A. is?
Also 12 March 1915,
"Rear admiral Weanyon(?) R.N. and staff left ship."
This probably belongs in handwriting help because that name is a complete guess. ;D
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Probably 'Wemyss' although the 'e' between the 'W' and the 'm' looks
a bit odd. Where is the Blenheim? - in the Med? Wemyss was a
prominent figure in the Gallipoli days (see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosslyn_Wemyss,_1st_Baron_Wester_Wemyss
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosslyn_Wemyss,_1st_Baron_Wester_Wemyss))
???
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As Steeleye says:
Also 12 March 1915,
"Rear admiral Weanyon(?) R.N. and staff left ship."
This probably belongs in handwriting help because that name is a complete guess. ;D
I believe it says Wemyss, and I further believe this is he:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosslyn_Wemyss,_1st_Baron_Wester_Wemyss
which suggests/confirms that the "V.A." is for Vice Admiral.
Nice when the pieces fit together. ;D
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Probably
'Wemyss' although the 'e' between the 'W' and the 'm' looks a bit
odd. Where is the Blenheim? - in the Med? Wemyss was a prominent
figure in the Gallipoli days (see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosslyn_Wemyss,_1st_Baron_Wester_Wemyss
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosslyn_Wemyss,_1st_Baron_Wester_Wemyss))
???
Blenheim
was in Port Mudros and sailed to Tenedos that day. Wikipedia places him
in the area around that time, so I think you are both right (unless
there is another rear admiral with a very similar name). ;)
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HMS Bristol - Portsmouth - 2 Sept 1913
Red'd to 90 rev'n to avoid washing down a Sea plane.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36118/0051_1.jpg
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HMS Bristol - Portsmouth - 30 Sept 1913
Marine detachment mustered bedding.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36118/0055_1.jpg
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Do we know where we are? This is Himalaya, somewhere not far
from Simonstown, recording at 9am 'Clocks advanced 9 min', followed at
9.25 by 'Clocks retarded 16 mins'.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44357/ADM%2053-44357-058_1.jpg
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HMS Glory 18th Dec 1918 - Skiing party landed.
I wonder if this was recreation or training (in Murmansk as part of the 'Russian intervention')
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-240_0.jpg
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Is this the latest Christmas gift on record?
Hyacinth's log 23rd May 1915.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44642/ADM%2053-44642-099_1.jpg
"Mustered ships company by the ledger. Distributed HRH Princess Mary's Xmas gifts. "
They are near Zanzibar, so a fair distance from London.
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From the Isis -
they spotted an island:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45020/ADM%2053-45020-195_0.jpg
I wonder how high it was ;D
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Pipe down, woman. ;D
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;D ;D
might be a good place to weed out troublemakers on board
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;D ;D
might be a good place to weed out troublemakers on board
::)
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From the Isis -
they spotted an island:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45020/ADM%2053-45020-195_0.jpg
I wonder how high it was ;D
No reports of haze or abnormal cloud cover? That's strange for such an island.
Ebro 17/11/1917,
"7.50 Bright white light like rocket passed from port quarter to starboard bow illuminating ship."
http://www.oldweather.org/classify?vessel_id=4ef4f702e53e0a0c9100237f
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HMS Theseus 1st March 1919
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-62845/0033_1.jpg
11.30 Got out New Companion Ladder
Can anyone shed some light on this ?
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Longer ago than I really care to remember, I read a book as a child
which informed me that on a ship, a stairway was called a "companion
way". So I would guess it might be a ladder which is to be used as
a stairway?
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Thanks for the clarification.
But it seems to a bit of a non-event to write down.
or maybe the old one was in such bad shape that everyone was over the moon with the new one ! ;D
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Thanks for the clarification.
But it seems to a bit of a non-event to write down.
or maybe the old one was in such bad shape that everyone was over the moon with the new one ! ;D
I don't know, it seems pretty exciting compared to a paint brush lost overboard ;)
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;D
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Ebro 13/07/1918
I'm not really sure what's happening here, maybe they were attacked by a submarine?
"5.54
Torpedo fired from Starboard Quarter missed astern. Full speed a/c 6
pounds(?) to Port 3 Rounds fired at torpedo. (?) action stations. "
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40535/0168_1.jpg
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Hi Sean,
It says 'a/c 6 points to port'. There are 32
compass 'points' in 360 degrees, so Ebro altered course to port by 67.5
degrees (or thereabouts). 3 rounds were fired at the torpedo
'track' and she went to action stations. The entire sentence is
written without any punctuation, which makes the grammar a bit
suspect! It looks like she was under submarine attack.
Cheers.
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Thanks Steeleye,
Much clearer now that I know what it says, I went back and updated it. ;)
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HMS Hildebrand, 20 November 1916
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44345/ADM%2053-44345-104_0.jpg
"Mr
H H Pomeroy Assistant Paymaster RNR was this day cautioned by the
Captain for that he proceeded on weekend leave without obtaining
permission from the Captain personally."
Unfortunately this is
the third time Mr Pomeroy has been cautioned! The first time it
was because he did not have his accounts ready by the due date; the
second time it was due to the size of his wine bill.
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HMS Theseus, 1st November 1919
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-62845/0156_1.jpg
Explanation of Exceptional Expenditure, including Losses.
Thrown overboard by Accident whilst awaiting Survey by s Stoker misunderstanding an order given to him by the Storekeeper.
Oh dear ! :o ;D
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HMS Himalaya's managed to get my first rowdy crewmember:
5.40pm Stoker Humpreys placed under arrest for disobedience of orders
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44356/ADM%2053-44356-146_0.jpg
Also feeling pretty hungry now having completed 12th December:
10.15 ...Supplied 200 lbs chocolate to HMS "Talbot"...
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44356/ADM%2053-44356-148_0.jpg
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HMS Himalaya's managed to get my first rowdy crewmember:
5.40pm Stoker Humpreys placed under arrest for disobedience of orders
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44356/ADM%2053-44356-146_0.jpg
And
there are plenty more where that came from - Himalaya does seem to have
been a pretty badly behaved ship. There's a constant stream of
men being placed under arrest, taken off to Detention Quarters and so
on.
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I must wonder about ships like that, because management has as much
to do with chronic problems as the lower deck does. So, are they
suffering from one of several forms of bad management, creating a sense
of angry "I'll show you how little respect I have for you" or has the
captain gotten himself in so much trouble with the admiralty that they
are deliberately sending him a high concentration of bad trouble makers?
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I find it interesting the way different ships seem almost to have
different characters. The Changuinola seemed to be an incredibly
well-disciplined ship - hardly any warrants, nothing ever went
overboard; she did run aground once, but that was under pilot's orders
so doesn't count! The Carnarvon on the other hand - it was
definitely a case of "Lock up your daughters!" when she came into
port! Nothing like as bad as the Himalaya seems to be though!
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Yes, Himalaya is definitely the worst I've had, by a long way.
It may be partly that they seem to spend a lot of time in port, which
provides more opportunity for some kinds of bad behaviour. But
Rinaldo, in the same part of the world, and also spending a fair amount
of time with access to alcohol and women of dubious character was (to
the best of my memory) very well behaved.
As Janet says, it does make you wonder what was going on and whose fault it all was.
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Contender for "Most Inappropriately Named Ship": on 28 March 1917,
the Hildebrand intercepted a Grimsby trawler named "Diver"!
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Contender for "Most Inappropriately Named Ship": on 28 March 1917, the Hildebrand intercepted a Grimsby trawler named "Diver"!
Between that and the Norwegian Trawler named "Fisk" (fish), I think we've covered the entire spectrum of name appropriateness!
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Perhaps I should have said that I hoped "Diver" was an inappropriate name!
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HMS Bacchus 6th Sept 1917
3.45 Received visit from Captain of HMS Foresight
6.15 Received further visit from Capt. "Foresight"
Am I reading more sarcasm in the log-keepers second entry than he intended ;D
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34691/0006_0.jpg
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HMS Bacchus 6th Sept 1917
3.45 Received visit from Captain of HMS Foresight
6.15 Received further visit from Capt. "Foresight"
Am I reading more sarcasm in the log-keepers second entry than he intended ;D
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34691/0006_0.jpg
This
one made me laugh out loud - and enjoy wondering whether the log-keeper
was making a point. If by any chance he was, isn't it great that
it's being appreciated nearly a hundred years later?
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;D
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HMS Hildebrand, 4 May 1917, northwest of Iceland:
"Carried out 1" aiming practice on ice"
Sorry guys, don't think you're going to get the ratings of Dancing on Ice, but nice try!
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HMS Hildebrand, 4 May 1917, northwest of Iceland:
"Carried out 1" aiming practice on ice"
Sorry guys, don't think you're going to get the ratings of Dancing on Ice, but nice try!
Well ... I would prefer to watch the gunners, especially if the targets were the skaters. 8)
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HMS Hildebrand, 4 May 1917, northwest of Iceland:
"Carried out 1" aiming practice on ice"
Sorry guys, don't think you're going to get the ratings of Dancing on Ice, but nice try!
Well ... I would prefer to watch the gunners, especially if the targets were the skaters. 8)
Having watched ice skating and listened to some of the commentators....
My favorite comment was on one of the costumes:
"If you were wearing that costume and the building you were in was on fire, would you stop to change clothes before fleeing?"
I have thought of that comment many times when seeing designer fashions in the newspaper!
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HMS Liverpool 30 Mar 1917 Port Said
"5.0 Hands to bathe Port Side"
"I say, Captain. D'you see what I've done, there? D'you think their Lordships will appreciate it?"
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HMS Liverpool 30 Mar 1917 Port Said
"5.0 Hands to bathe Port Side"
"I say, Captain. D'you see what I've done, there? D'you think their Lordships will appreciate it?"
::)
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HMS Implacable 8th Dec 1916 - 98 ratings joined ship to await disposal
A little harsh!
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44761/ADM%2053-44761-159_0.jpg
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HMS Liverpool 30 Mar 1917 Port Said
"5.0 Hands to bathe Port Side"
"I say, Captain. D'you see what I've done, there? D'you think their Lordships will appreciate it?"
That must be one of the first real jokes that we have seen in the logs. I love it.
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HMS Liverpool 6 Oct 1917 Spezia.
(A new captain came on board two weeks ago while the ship was in dry dock. This is his first day afloat.)
"Undocked & proc'd with tug ahead & astern alongside wall in No.2 Basin.
Slight damage done to stern through bumping wall of basin while undocking"
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Isn't the captain glad the tugs can be blamed? ;D
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More to life on board than guns and torpedoes.
But, what are Cat. blocks?
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-61152/0008_1.jpg
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Greetings randi_2,
I think that they are probably 'cat-blocks'
which according to
http://www.archive.org/stream/woodenshipbuildi00desmrich/woodenshipbuildi00desmrich_djvu.txt
(http://www.archive.org/stream/woodenshipbuildi00desmrich/woodenshipbuildi00desmrich_djvu.txt)
are:
.
'... are used when hoisting anchor in position.
They are extra heavy blocks fitted with outside iron or
steel straps.'
The
'cat' is possibly an abbreviation from 'catfall',the rope that forms
the tackle for heaving up the anchor from the water to the bow, or
'catheads', which were timber beams projecting over a sailing ship's
bows and which were used to suspend the anchor clear of the bows when
letting it go (see George Biddlecombe 'The art of rigging', originally
printed some time in the 19th century, I think!) Like many things
nautical, parts of a name are preserved long after obsolescence.
Our resident Ancient Mariners can probably provide more accurate
information!
Cheers
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Thanks Steeleye.
Seems an odd combination with dough mixer ;)
Or is 'dough mixer' for something other than feeding the ship's company?
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Agreed - a very odd combination! Biddlecombe (see above) doesn't make any reference to a dough mixer!
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HMS Liverpool 16 Oct 1917 Spezia
"7.0 Small fire in E.R. Atificers hammock netting
7.15 Fire extinguished"
Should have listened to Dr. Nina Simone's advice (good on two counts):
# Remember darling, don't smoke in bed #
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HMS Liverpool 26 Oct 1917 Spezia
"11.0am Ships company medically inspected. 3 ratings to hospital for observation"
"2.0pm disinfecting forward end of ship"
Ah-ha.
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HMS Hildebrand, 22 June 1917
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44345/ADM%2053-44345-227_0.jpg
Days and days of nothing happening then two interesting entries on one day:
Just
before noon: Temporary Engineering Lieut W Forbes RNR - Logged. for
making use of an obscene expression in the stokehold on Tuesday June
19th [signed W Forbes] (That's the trouble with these reservists,
"Not exactly what you'd call gentlemen", per Midshipman A Scrimgeour RN
of HMS Alsatian.)
Then in the afternoon we boarded the SS
Elisabeth and brought back two Austrian stowaways. The following
day they were transferred to the Changuinola, which has tied up a loose
end for me. I remember when I first started transcribing the
Changuinola that she discharged two stowaways when she came into Busta
Voe, and I had no idea where they had come from at the time.
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HMS Himalaya, 21st February 1918, in Simonstown:
Lt Balls RNR joined ship to await disposal.
If I'd been him I'm not sure I would have hung around ....
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44357/ADM%2053-44357-160_1.jpg
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Himalaya is keeping up her dire reputation for unruliness.
Warrants have been flying around like confetti; and now, having just
left Cape Town (at about 7pm) it's 9.45pm and -
Mr Worthington Warrant Electrician placed under arrest.
It's hard to see how he could have had time to do anything deserving arrest ...
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44357/ADM%2053-44357-167_0.jpg
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Another day, another Austrian prisoner.
Hildebrand, 3 July 1917 - boarded SS Samland and returned with two deserters from the Austrian Army.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44345/ADM%2053-44345-234_1.jpg
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Himalaya
is keeping up her dire reputation for unruliness. Warrants have
been flying around like confetti; and now, having just left Cape Town
(at about 7pm) it's 9.45pm and -
Mr Worthington Warrant Electrician placed under arrest.
It's hard to see how he could have had time to do anything deserving arrest ...
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44357/ADM%2053-44357-167_0.jpg
Perhaps he forgot to bring change for the electricity meter.
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HMS Liverpool 6 Oct 1917 Spezia.
(A new captain came on board two weeks ago while the ship was in dry dock. This is his first day afloat.)
"Undocked & proc'd with tug ahead & astern alongside wall in No.2 Basin.
Slight damage done to stern through bumping wall of basin while undocking"
Isn't the captain glad the tugs can be blamed? ;D
Take 2 - 19 Nov. 1917 (having been back in dry dock)
"8.30 Undocked & proc'd with tug ahead & one astern alongside jetty of No.2 Basin"
Phew!
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The yard probably made sure to give them better tug pilots, as they didn't want to see them a third time. ;)
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The yard probably made sure to give them better tug pilots, as they didn't want to see them a third time. ;)
You mean with a lady driver? ;D
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Of course! ;D
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Hildebrand 7 July 1917
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44345/ADM%2053-44345-236_1.jpg
Now,
to join our Austrian deserters in the cells, we have picked up a
Brazilian prisoner from SS Tula - which seems a little odd as I believe
Brazil was still neutral at this time, though shortly to declare war on
Germany. All three ships that we have picked up prisoners from on
this trip have been allowed to proceed, so presumably their various
masters have greeted the Boarding Officer with "Am I glad to see you!"
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HMS Hannibal, Alexandria, 31st August 1916
3 Egyptian caulkers arrived on board
I had associated caulking with wooden ships but apparently you can do iron caulking as well:-
http://www.seayourhistory.org.uk/content/view/76/164/
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HMS Hannibal, Alexandria, 31st August 1916
3 Egyptian caulkers arrived on board
I had associated caulking with wooden ships but apparently you can do iron caulking as well:-
http://www.seayourhistory.org.uk/content/view/76/164/
Nice work, LupusUK,
You've provided a possible answer to an old question:
"Why did they have ash boats collecting ash from ships' boliers?"
"Caulkers
together with divers also have an important role maintaining caissons.
Caissons seal the entrance to a dock; a watertight seal is essential to
keep the dock dry. Caulkers worked on the wooden decks of these
caissons. At the beginning of the twentieth century ash was collected
from the coal fires which were used for heat, riveters and steam power.
It would be set-aside and then when there was a leak on the caissons it
would be put into handcarts and the caulkers, or the divers, would then
wheel it out to the caisson and pour it down between the caisson and the
water. The ash was so light it would sink, and the water would suck in
into where the leak was and eventually stop it. "
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Remember in those days the work boats, life
boat etc. were still wood and would need caulking. There were also
ship's carpenter's for wood related work. k1ero.
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HMS Hannibal, Alexandria, 31st August 1916
3 Egyptian caulkers arrived on board
I had associated caulking with wooden ships but apparently you can do iron caulking as well:-
http://www.seayourhistory.org.uk/content/view/76/164/
Interesting article - this bit caught my eye
World War Two
There is an assumption that wood caulking finished when metal ships were introduced. But this is not the case. During the Second World War the Royal Navy arguably had more wooden boats than steel boats. They
built motor torpedo boats, motor gun boats and motor mine sweepers. The
Dockyards were building masses of these wooden boats which all needed
caulking. The wooden decks of frigates continued to need caulking even
after the Second World War.
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HMS Topaze, at Portland : Landed non-swimmers for swimming instruction - a good idea for sailors!
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HMS Topaze again, this time a rather sadder event recorded - 26th november 1914, Sheerness :
7.55 - Observed Explosion towards Kethole Reach near 17 Buoy
This was the HMS Bulwark exploding, killing 738 crew - only 12 survived, and most of those were severly injured.
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The things we take for granted...
HMS St. George - 1 Aug 1913
Established communications with shore by telephone
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-61152/0090_1.jpg
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Pajama Party??? "Hands shift into
night clothing" Party must have got out of hand, next entry:
"Pipe Down". Can you picture the crew in PJ's running around the decks having pillow fights??
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Pajama Party??? "Hands shift into night
clothing" Party must have got out of hand, next entry:
"Pipe Down". Can you picture the crew in PJ's running around the decks having pillow fights??
We had lots of entertaining speculation, but it's just casual clothing:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1862.msg23216#msg23216
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I'm glad in the USNavy it was mostly dungarees at sea.
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GL's + SS's of 6" guns at 1'st aid instruction
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GL's + SS's of 6" guns at 1'st aid instruction
Sort of - "Cause and Effect"?
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HMS Hibernia - Follow the admiral's motions entering harbour (as reqt)
Isn't this taking brown nosing a little far? ;D
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44275/0245_1.jpg
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HMS Hibernia - Follow the admiral's motions entering harbour (as reqt)
Isn't this taking brown nosing a little far? ;D
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44275/0245_1.jpg
Nasty thing, that dysentery.
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No mention of entering dry dock to have the ship's bottom scraped?
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No mention of entering dry dock to have the ship's bottom scraped?
;D
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Royal visitor on HMS Hannibal, 10th March 1918, Alexandria
7.50 HRH Duke of Connaught arrived on board
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43714/0046_0.jpg
I'm assuming this person
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Arthur,_Duke_of_Connaught_and_Strathearn
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Royal visitor on HMS Hannibal, 10th March 1918, Alexandria
7.50 HRH Duke of Connaught arrived on board
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43714/0046_0.jpg
I'm assuming this person
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Arthur,_Duke_of_Connaught_and_Strathearn
That's the fella.
According to that wiki entry, this is traditional Scottish dress:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ArthurDkCnnght.jpg
I call upon everyone with a Scottish connection to confirm that the statement is correct.
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There's plenty of forum posts on the subject of 'warrants' but I
haven't yet been able to find an explanation of when the numbering
starts. Does the numbering start at 1 when the vessel was
commissioned, or does it restart at 1 every time the vessel sails from
its home port?
The good ship 'St George" is up to warrant No 611
in June 1918, and still no indication that the crew is going to change
its wicked ways. A recalcitrant bunch.
???
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St George's log keeper doesn't seem to understand " s " vs. " 's "
Carpenters parties to both old and St. Georges slipway's.
Boy's to seamanship class.
I've seen this sort of thing multiple times, so it isn't an accident - but sometimes it is correct too.
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Royal visitor on HMS Hannibal, 10th March 1918, Alexandria
7.50 HRH Duke of Connaught arrived on board
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43714/0046_0.jpg
I'm assuming this person
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Arthur,_Duke_of_Connaught_and_Strathearn
That's the fella.
According to that wiki entry, this is traditional Scottish dress:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ArthurDkCnnght.jpg
I call upon everyone with a Scottish connection to confirm that the statement is correct.
Shouldn't
that be 'whether' the statement is correct? Because as the holder
of a bona fide Scottish connection (born and brought up there, though
sadly now living in the deep south) I have to say I don't think I've
ever seen such frilly Scottish dress in my life! I suspect this is
only traditional Scottish dress if you're a prince with more money than
sense .... What do other Scots out there reckon?
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Well, as someone doing it the other way round I've never seen it
either. Most of the Scots I have seen either wear a tweed jacket
for smart everyday wear or a black tailored jacket for evening
wear. They sometimes wear lace jabots for evening and I have seen
lace cuffs (see the formal dress which used to be worn by the Moderator
of the Church of Scotland) but never quite such a 'music hall'
ensemble. However, I don't mix in aristocratic circles so I may
just be missing out.
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Shouldn't
that be 'whether' the statement is correct? Because as the holder
of a bona fide Scottish connection (born and brought up there, though
sadly now living in the deep south) I have to say I don't think I've
ever seen such frilly Scottish dress in my life! I suspect this is
only traditional Scottish dress if you're a prince with more money than
sense .... What do other Scots out there reckon?
"whether" ???
It's in Wiki, so it must be true.
I
was best man at a wedding in Glasgow on the day that Scotland beat
England at Hampden Park (Glasgow). Immediately before making my speech, I
applied an England rosette to my jacket. It went down rather
well. If England had won the match, I wouldn't have dared wear it.
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Well,
as someone doing it the other way round I've never seen it
either. Most of the Scots I have seen either wear a tweed jacket
for smart everyday wear or a black tailored jacket for evening
wear. They sometimes wear lace jabots for evening and I have seen
lace cuffs (see the formal dress which used to be worn by the Moderator
of the Church of Scotland) but never quite such a 'music hall'
ensemble. However, I don't mix in aristocratic circles so I may
just be missing out.
My
pal, the bridegroom (see elsewhere), is not one to let go of a subject
until he's got to the bottom of it. He says the the present "traditional
dress" with clan tartans and what have you, is a victorian conceit and
that, previously, the majority of Scots (the Lowlanders) would not have
thanked you for a highland outfit that consisted of long shirt (possibly
linen) and a large rectangle of woollen cloth that was wrapped around
the body and secured with a belt, with the remainder thrown over the
shoulder and pinned. The colour would depend on whatever natural dyes
were available locally, probably a muddy colour. It would double as a
"sleeping bag".
Oh, and there would inevitably be a knife involved ...
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I followed some of the Wiki links back, just out of curiosity and
looked at all the photos of doublets from a Bing search. The only
picture that came anywhere close to anything that fancy was a painting
of King George IV. I think they were trying to out-Scottish the
Scots.
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HMS Bacchus - Damaged knit-wear :)
Whilst hoisting a
coil of wire from No 1 hold it caught the Forward Tween Deck Beam
causing it to unship and drop on No 1 Tank Top thereby damaging the Tank
Top
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34702/031_1.jpg
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Coaling suspended for tea
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-53510/0007_1.jpg
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Coaling suspended for tea
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-53510/0007_1.jpg
Quite right too - EVERYTHING stops for tea
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That is only proper... :D
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HMS Moorhen - Somehow they ran out of log book and entered the details for 30th June on a blank sheet.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-80940/033_1.jpg
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From the Marazion-
Oh, those jokers on L2:
Please see the 1315 entry -
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-80474/0006_1.jpg
I would imagine there were some excited utterances after this firing practice ;D
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;D ;D Good thing they were only practice torpedoes!
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But not much worse from my perspective - HMS Psyche, 17th and 18th
February 1914. The ship was visited by 300 schoolchildren on the
first day, and then by another 550 on the second day.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-56061/0076_0.jpg
And
there were more! On the 19th another 613 visited; and on the 20th
a further 500. Every child in Dunedin must have been there.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-56061/0076_1.jpg
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;D ;D
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Another case of a log keeper half asleep, this time from TB 037 in
Hong Kong. Maybe he was distracted by the fact that it is Valentines day
and he is thinking of his lady back home.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-64878/0024_1.jpg
The Ship is HMS Monday 14th and the date is TB 037 of February 1916!!
I
would transcribe as written, but it is not possible to enter TB037 as
the date, so I will put in what he intended, with an Event Other Note.
Hope this is OK.
K
PS I cannot think why the PTBs didnt anticipate that the date may be TB037. More attention to detail needed guys ;)
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Since they are in different interface boxes, just let the pushpins tell the story. ;D
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Saturday routine
it's THURSDAY :o
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-53517/0009_1.jpg
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Saturday routine
it's THURSDAY :o
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-53517/0009_1.jpg
Thursday ??? so am I, Let's have a drink.
Hang on. One of us may have had too many - it looks like Wednesday to me. :o
Could
be a long weekend or, more likely, they were pretty much on top of
things and decided to take things a little more easily; as on a
Saturday.
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Quite right, it says Wednesday :-[
I was on Thursday when I realized there was something odd.
Not enough sleep!
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I notice that the Orbita is using log paper with the "HMCS" heading but the C is crossed out.
HMCS
can be "His Majesty's Canadian Ship" or "His Majesty's Colonial Ship"
but "colonial" is listed as obsolete in a reference I found.
Any idea when it became obsolete? (from a curious Canadian).
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I notice that the Orbita is using log paper with the "HMCS" heading but the C is crossed out.
HMCS
can be "His Majesty's Canadian Ship" or "His Majesty's Colonial Ship"
but "colonial" is listed as obsolete in a reference I found.
Any idea when it became obsolete? (from a curious Canadian).
Yes, it stands for Canadian - in this case.
As far as I know, Orbita (http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/descriptions/ShipsO.html) is not Canadian.
Not
all the log books she uses are Canadian. Perhaps since we are on the
west coast of S. America we have a supply of Canadian log books.
You may also see HMAS for Australian ships.
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Saturday routine
it's THURSDAY :o
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-53517/0009_1.jpg
Thursday ??? so am I, Let's have a drink.
Hang on. One of us may have had too many - it looks like Wednesday to me. :o
Could
be a long weekend or, more likely, they were pretty much on top of
things and decided to take things a little more easily; as on a
Saturday.
Yes,
this does come up from time to time. It's usually because they've
been coaling or something the Saturday before, so were not able to have
their slightly easier day at the time.
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Thanks, that makes sense.
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I wonder what they were up to???!!! I've whipped the end of a rope but I'm not sure whipping a torpedo is a good idea!!!
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I'm with you. It's best not to anger those things.
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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/whip
"10. Nautical A hoist consisting of a single rope passing through an overhead pulley."
Not sure how they would secure it/them, but the word "carefully" could fit the bill.
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HMS Orbita
Baggage party standing by
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-53520/015_1.jpg
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http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1454.msg16537#msg16537
Not quite the full set. Mr Margery Broom was cautioned for being drunk, on watch, at night, at sea, during wartime.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-62277/0081_0.jpg :)
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in a box with a fox?
;D
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in a box with a fox?
;D
:D :D
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3.00am Coaling proceeding slowly
.
10.30am Coaling proceeding slowly
.
3.25pm Finished coaling
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-53523/006_0.jpg
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So on 14th April 1922, the crew of Veronica get the motor launch out
onto the beach to be repaired, and late in the evening they get it back
on board. On 15th April, the motor launch catches fire ....
It's extinguished pretty quickly, but I bet someone was thinking, 'why
did we bother?'
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It just gets worse - on 19th April:
'One ullage cask containing 35 pints of rum lost through breaking away from stores during heavy weather.'
They'll just have to go ashore again looking for some booze .... :D
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-89885/0031_0.jpg
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without the motor boat, how will they get there? :P
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A chance to practice their swimming?
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It just gets worse - on 19th April:
'One ullage cask containing 35 pints of rum lost through breaking away from stores during heavy weather.'
They'll just have to go ashore again looking for some booze .... :D
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-89885/0031_0.jpg
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ullage
Seems a strange use of the word ???
Maybe it has changed meaning?
In
my 1928 Websters the 2'nd definition is: Liquor dregs or lees, stored
until drinkable. - I don't know if this makes sense in this context or
not.
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It just gets worse - on 19th April:
'One ullage cask containing 35 pints of rum lost through breaking away from stores during heavy weather.'
They'll just have to go ashore again looking for some booze .... :D
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-89885/0031_0.jpg
One
of my favourite words, ullage. In the breweries I worked in it was used
to denote the small amounts of beer left in a cask that couldnt be got
out because of the shape of the cask. It contained the yeast and hop
residues that was left after a beer had settled. It had to be washed out
each time the cask was returned to the brerwery. I am not quite sure
what it means in this case.
We had so many words that were not in common useage outside the brewery, a bit like the navy really.
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It just gets worse - on 19th April:
'One ullage cask containing 35 pints of rum lost through breaking away from stores during heavy weather.'
They'll just have to go ashore again looking for some booze .... :D
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-89885/0031_0.jpg
One
of my favourite words, ullage. In the breweries I worked in it was used
to denote the small amounts of beer left in a cask that couldnt be got
out because of the shape of the cask. It contained the yeast and hop
residues that was left after a beer had settled. It had to be washed out
each time the cask was returned to the brerwery. I am not quite sure
what it means in this case.
We had so many words that were not in common useage outside the brewery, a bit like the navy really.
I
assumed that it was the "left overs" after the performance of
guestimating the amount of rum to be drawn off to issue to the "cooks"
to carry away in their "kettles" to measure out for the tots for their
mess-mates (if you can follow that). I can't imagine that the "Pusser"
would allow himself to underestimate the amount required (instant
unpopularity) and he wouldn't consume the remainder himself ::).
Surely K.R.&A.I. wouldn't allow it to be put back into the original
container? So the choice is in the scuppers or somewhere else, and we've
seen how "stuff" (empties of various containers, boiler ash ...) is
kept for re-cycling.
Naval/brewery specific terminology - what's that song ???
# What shall we do with the drunken drayman?
What shall we do with the drunken drayman? # etc.
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I
assumed that it was the "left overs" after the performance of
guestimating the amount of rum to be drawn off to issue to the "cooks"
to carry away in their "kettles" to measure out for the tots for their
mess-mates (if you can follow that). I can't imagine that the "Pusser"
would allow himself to underestimate the amount required (instant
unpopularity) and he wouldn't consume the remainder himself ::).
Surely K.R.&A.I. wouldn't allow it to be put back into the original
container? So the choice is in the scuppers or somewhere else, and we've
seen how "stuff" (empties of various containers, boiler ash ...) is
kept for re-cycling.
Naval/brewery specific terminology - what's that song ???
# What shall we do with the drunken drayman?
What shall we do with the drunken drayman? # etc.
Scuppers - that reminded me of this (http://www.naval-history.net/WW2aaNavalLife-Customs2.htm)
The
first in the queue calls out the number of the mess he represents and
also the number of rum takers in it ? "No. AA Mess - seventeen." The
Supply P.O. compares this with what he has in his book and retorts
"seventeen it is." Seventeen diluted tots - no more, no less - are then
poured carefully into the mess kettle, and away the "cook " hurries with
it to divide it out fairly and equably among his messmates. Usually the
amount in the barrel exactly suffices; sometimes there is a little left
when all have been served. This drop in the bottom, termed the ullage -
is poured down the scuppers into the sea. A queer custom this, but one
interesting to watch, for it has survived for so long and will survive
for so very much longer.
It still doesn't seem to fit the use of the word in the log :(
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It seems a lot to be 'dregs' or leftovers. I wonder whether they were recycling the ullage cask for another purpose?
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Scuppers - that reminded me of this (http://www.naval-history.net/WW2aaNavalLife-Customs2.htm)
The
first in the queue calls out the number of the mess he represents and
also the number of rum takers in it ? "No. AA Mess - seventeen." The
Supply P.O. compares this with what he has in his book and retorts
"seventeen it is." Seventeen diluted tots - no more, no less - are then
poured carefully into the mess kettle, and away the "cook " hurries with
it to divide it out fairly and equably among his messmates. Usually the
amount in the barrel exactly suffices; sometimes there is a little left
when all have been served. This drop in the bottom, termed the ullage -
is poured down the scuppers into the sea. A queer custom this, but one
interesting to watch, for it has survived for so long and will survive
for so very much longer.
It still doesn't seem to fit the use of the word in the log :(
That's probably what I half remembered.
Could they be in an area where polluting the sea with alcohol is religiously sensitive?
That's not really a serious suggestion.
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They're at Suva, in the Pacific - so I don't think there would be a problem with adding a bit of booze to the waves ...
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It seems a lot to be 'dregs' or leftovers. I wonder whether they were recycling the ullage cask for another purpose?
As
my grandmother was wont to say in response to complaints that a
shopping bag, sandwich box, or whatever, was too large for the current
task: "What will hold a lot, will hold a little."
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They're at Suva, in the Pacific - so I don't think there would be a problem with adding a bit of booze to the waves ...
Just as well I qualified my thought ...
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Another of these frustratingly brief entries; on HMS Torch 24th December 1921:
Medical Officer onboard with Spraying Treatment.
A nice little Christmas present for the crew ....?
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-87831/031_0.jpg
Well,
whatever it is they're serious about it; on Boxing Day they were all
sent on a route march; and then on 27th, 28th and 29th there was
Spraying Treatment again.
On 29th, the colours were half masted at
2pm, and then hoisted again at 3pm but with no reason given. And
between the two they solemnly recorded 'Paint Brush lost overboard by
accident'.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-87831/033_1.jpg
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I'm amused that some logkeepers write down every meal and
tea-time, and not much else; others transcribe every landmark with
bearings and approximate distance, while others don't enter any of those
things; some assiduously enter numbers on the sick list, while other
logkeepers leave that spot blank, always... Back on the Merlin, the
logkeeper kept track of lighting and banking the fires in the steam
cutter, every time anyone (particularly lieutenants) left the ship via
the whaler, cutter, skiff, or dinghy, and then returned. They all
seem to track the church parties.
I know there are instructions
for weather entries, but were there instructions for the other things to
be recorded as well? I'm just curious if there was any
standardized training as to what was important enough to be included in
the logs.
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I
know there are instructions for weather entries, but were there
instructions for the other things to be recorded as well? I'm just
curious if there was any standardized training as to what was important
enough to be included in the logs.
Perhaps they had the same training manual that we have: "If it interests you, log it."
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Someone not paying attention when copying the log: at 6.35am
'Hands employed ship'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-87832/003_1.jpg
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HMS Mantis 2 December 1921 Yangtze River
Casting around for a
correct spelling that turned out to be Mopanshih Rock, I happened upon
this encouraging snippet:
(http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Ozs2SuQE5qYC&pg=PA210&lpg=PA210&dq=Mopanshih+Rock&source=bl&ots=tcC3coYi1V&sig=rB0Fzvkw84-Kr6FsAjrHieZRr_8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oWt0T53fEOSt0QW2_pEW&sqi=2&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Mopanshih%20Rock&f=false)
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Oh, to be a fly on the wall (or river bank) when that happened! :o ;D
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HMS Raleigh - 11 August 1921
0125 Small fire in pantry 0135 Fire out.
Hot sauce on the shelf - or was the cook caught smoking and someone put him out??!! ;D ;D
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82271/0015_1.jpg
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HMS Raleigh - 11 August 1921
Stern bumped wall slightly, no damage.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82271/0019_0.jpg
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HMS Raleigh - 11 August 1921
Stern bumped wall slightly, no damage.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82271/0019_0.jpg
You'll get the stern bumped again next month by an oiler in Montreal.
I won't spoil the suspense by telling you the damage.
In Quebec we landed the marines to take part in a sham fight at the Levis
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;D
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HMS Mantua, 23 April 1918
8.30am Eng Sub-Lieut Bunting discharged from ship
[Please insert your own joke here]
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I thought I hadn't seen him around today .... :D
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Not a good day for the Bolshevik navy, one of their destroyers was captured by HMS Caradoc
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37033/016_0.jpg
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HMS Mantua, 23 April 1918
8.30am Eng Sub-Lieut Bunting discharged from ship
[Please insert your own joke here]
OH Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! What ever did he do?????!!!!!!!!! ??? :'( :'(
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I didn't do it. Nobody saw me do it. You can't prove anything.
But the microwave still needed replacing, if only to hide the pile of dust at the end of the worktop.
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;D
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Making work for idle hands ;)
9.0 hands employed getting in stores
1.10 hands employed getting out stores
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43011/0020_1.jpg
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Keen eye, jil; that one had slipped by me. Life is not hugely
exciting on the Glory in May 1914. It was much more interesting on
her when she was in Murmansk in 1918/19. She didn't go anywhere,
but there was plenty of coming of ships, people, diseases and
temperatures.
Have you had fun trying to read this guy's tiny numbers? I find myself getting closer and closer to the screen and then it starts to fog up.
;D
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Have you had fun trying to read this guy's tiny numbers? I find myself getting closer and closer to the screen and then it starts to fog up.
;D
I find that a long sleeved shirt is useful for dealing with that.
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Have you had fun trying to read this guy's tiny numbers? I find myself getting closer and closer to the screen and then it starts to fog up.
;D
I find that a long sleeved shirt is useful for dealing with that.
;D
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Have you had fun trying to read this guy's tiny numbers? I find myself getting closer and closer to the screen and then it starts to fog up.
;D
I find that a long sleeved shirt is useful for dealing with that.
I keep a felt cloth and a bottle of screen cleaner handy just for that! ;D ;D
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Keen
eye, jil; that one had slipped by me. Life is not hugely exciting
on the Glory in May 1914. It was much more interesting on her
when she was in Murmansk in 1918/19. She didn't go anywhere, but
there was plenty of coming of ships, people, diseases and temperatures.
Have you had fun trying to read this guy's tiny numbers? I find myself getting closer and closer to the screen and then it starts to fog up.
;D
Steeleye,
I'm hoping that the note that was stuck on the front of the log book
that mentioned Bermuda promises that we'll actually get to go somewhere
this time.
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1 November 1921 - From Raleigh:
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While scouting around for a photo of HMS Raleigh and crew, I found this instead:
http://www.candoo.com/ulsternorrie/ulster/Ulster09/09a/09b/lighten_ship.JPG
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While scouting around for a photo of HMS Raleigh and crew, I found this instead:
http://www.candoo.com/ulsternorrie/ulster/Ulster09/09a/09b/lighten_ship.JPG
Ooops! :-[
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While scouting around for a photo of HMS Raleigh and crew, I found this instead:
http://www.candoo.com/ulsternorrie/ulster/Ulster09/09a/09b/lighten_ship.JPG
Ooops! :-[
Now THAT had to HURT!! :'(
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While scouting around for a photo of HMS Raleigh and crew, I found this instead:
http://www.candoo.com/ulsternorrie/ulster/Ulster09/09a/09b/lighten_ship.JPG
Ooops! :-[
Now THAT had to HURT!! :'(
Why would it ??? It was only compressed air. ;D
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My reaction to being shot out by compressed air is, "Oh My!!!" :o
My reaction to being landed on the stone jetty is, "OUCH!!!!!!!" :'(
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My reaction to being shot out by compressed air is, "Oh My!!!" :o
My reaction to being landed on the stone jetty is, "OUCH!!!!!!!" :'(
As
I have been told MANY times and learned: "It's not the fall that does
the damage. It's that last half inch and the sudden stop at the
bottom!!" ;)
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As
I have been told MANY times and learned: "It's not the fall that does
the damage. It's that last half inch and the sudden stop at the
bottom!!" ;)
How true!
A
man who fell from the 102nd floor of the Empire State Building was
heard to say, as he passed the observatory on the 86th floor: "So far,
so good."
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As
I have been told MANY times and learned: "It's not the fall that does
the damage. It's that last half inch and the sudden stop at the
bottom!!" ;)
How true!
A
man who fell from the 102nd floor of the Empire State Building was
heard to say, as he passed the observatory on the 86th floor: "So far,
so good."
Bunts:
In my 'youth' I was a skydiver for a while. Sign on the wing said "Watch that first step, it's a bloody bugger!" :D :D
Then
a month after I retired I got tripped walking our dog. Not the first
time it happened but THIS time when I 'hit bottom' I shattered the left
tibia and now carry a titanium plate and 13 screws! ::)
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This is the first time I have seen dressing the ship in rainbow fashion: (800 entry)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-88506/0032_1.jpg
8)
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This is the first time I have seen dressing the ship in rainbow fashion: (800 entry)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-88506/0032_1.jpg
8)
Have
you found out what it meant? Did they carry a special set of
flags in all the colours of the rainbow? Or did the crew all get
to dress up in the appropriate colours?
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the oddest things come from googling:
This is US Coast Guard, but it probably applies to RN:
http://coastguard.dodlive.mil/2011/07/dressing-the-ship-on-independence-day/
According to the regulations published in 1916 for the newly created U.S. Coast Guard, full dress included:
?A
line of signal flags, rainbow fashion, extending from the water line to
the jib-boom end (or from the jackstaff at the height of the ridge
rope, if without a jib boom), thence to the highest masthead on the
fore, thence to the highest masthead on the main, thence to the highest
masthead on the mizzen, thence to the peak, to the boom end or flagstaff
at the height of the ridge rope aft, and to the water line aft. In
vessels of other rigs the disposition of the decorations shall conform
as nearly as possible to the foregoing.?
(http://coastguard.dodlive.mil/files/2011/07/CGC-Eagle-full-dress-ship-199x300.jpg)
Coast Guard Cutter Eagle, a barque training ship
So it is apparently the full name for all the other pictures we have on it, not allowing a simple raising a few flags.
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Ah, so it's the shape which makes it 'rainbow' rather than the colour. Bit of a pity really .... :D
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Wonder if these two entries (on the same line in Cardiff's log for 9th March 1919) are connected ....?
Arrived Mastiff. Sailed Ferret.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37065/0040_0.jpg
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You mean the Ferret couldn't stand being around the Mastiff? ;D
Did I read correctly that Divisions sprayed throats?
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Yes.
I suspect that there was a bug around and the spray was a
form of antiseptic. As late as the 1950s we had our our throats
'painted' from time to time when immured in a fever hospital with
Scarlet Fever. We also had to sniff up this revolting white stuff
which I think was some sort of sulphur compound. In the absence of
antibiotics they used antiseptics for both treatment and prophylaxis.
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You mean the Ferret couldn't stand being around the Mastiff? ;D
Did I read correctly that Divisions sprayed throats?
Yes,
it's 'Divisions. Sprayed throats.' It's the first time it's
been done for a while, but for a time in October 1918 they were doing
it most days, when I assumed it was to do with the flu epidemic.
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HMS Mantua, 27 November 1918
Per Copy Log:
6.30am Locked up portion of ship burgled
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-48312/0016_1.jpg
Per Original Log:
6.30am Saloon Bar discovered to have been broken into
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-48313/0010_1.jpg
Which just goes to show that the person producing the copy of the log may edit the content from time to time!
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How is it that you have an original and a copy of the same log?
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Trouble in Trieste - HMS Cardiff, 15th May 1919:
10.5 3 to 5
shots fired from mole at ship. Two men wounded. Landed armed
patrol to search mole until arrival of Italian authorities.
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http://www.dvandom.com/drawings/gunmole.JPG
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How is it that you have an original and a copy of the same log?
Sometimes
the copy and original overlap. For example, if we ask for all
1915 logs from a certain ship and they send us 6 copies that go from
1-Jan-15 to 30-Jun-15 and one 6-month original log that goes from
14-Jun-15 (start of new voyage and crew) to 14-Dec-15, then you will get
2 different writings for 14-Jun to 30-Jun. Which the scientists
love having, as it gives them a chance to double check original accuracy
of the copy logs.
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http://www.dvandom.com/drawings/gunmole.JPG
:D :D :D Where did you find that?
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Either: just a piece of my scribble
or I asked Prof Google for an image of Mole with gun.
If
you are not sure about the mole there is another suspect
(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000365025/polls_praire_dog_with_gun_11979_5805_952964_answer_1_xlarge.jpeg).
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Now this one has me baffled! HMS Cardiff, 28th June 1919, at Fiumi:
Discharged Maltese chauffeur to Honeysuckle.
What on earth does the navy need with a chauffeur?
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37065/0107_1.jpg
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Now this one has me baffled! HMS Cardiff, 28th June 1919, at Fiumi:
Discharged Maltese chauffeur to Honeysuckle.
What on earth does the navy need with a chauffeur?
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37065/0107_1.jpg
We've seen them embark motor cars, so I guess the chauffeur is the logical follow-up. It still doesn't seem very naval. :)
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1133.msg10873#msg10873
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What on earth does the navy need with a chauffeur?
You
didn't raise a query when they had a pilot on board ;), and the
Royal Navy would be little helped by the heir apparent (in soldier's
uniform) but he was, nevertheless, ferried around the Mediterranean
between 1914 & 1918.
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=2407.msg34146#msg34146
"Taxi!"
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Wisteria, 30 August 1921: https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-93262/0034_1.jpg
7.45 Sighted iceberg N20E.
8.20 Passed berg 5' off.
(As
it happened, just as these entries popped up, the news was reporting on
various observances related to of the sinking of the Titanic.)
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The comemorative sailing isn't going too well:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-17671052
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The comemorative sailing isn't going too well:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-17671052
Is it just me or does going on a commemorative cruise for a ship which sank disastrously seem a strange idea?
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No, it's not just you!
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Pushing one's Luck, I think! :o :P
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Those Italians again - HMS Cardiff, 24th August 1919, in Fiume:
Landed C of E Church Party, but party returned being no service on account of Italian processions.
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Three cheers for Cardiff! 27th August 1919:
Marines of Cardiff raced Marines of Pittsburg in whalers, winning by 28 strokes.
And Pittsburg is an American ship, just to make it even better .... (apologies to all Americans out there :D)
And on 3rd September we beat the French at Water Polo:
Played and beat French Condorcet at Water Polo.
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:P
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The comemorative sailing isn't going too well:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-17671052
Is it just me or does going on a commemorative cruise for a ship which sank disastrously seem a strange idea?
This
is what I thought at first, then I heard an interview with someone who
was going on the cruise - she was a descendant of someone who had died
on the Titanic, and for her it was visiting their grave, much as someone
might visit the war graves in France. I can see her point.
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Torpedo passed ahead of ship.
No further action was taken. Bon voyage torpedo ;D ;D
Later that day time was set to B.S.T and the time it started was written in red.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37033/079_1.jpg
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HMS Ceres 4th July 1919
Dressed ship. American ensign at the main in honour of Independence Day
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0102_0.jpg
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HMS Ceres - 27th Sept 1919
At 5pm does it really say - Training classes firing fireworks for instruction ???
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0148_1.jpg
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Yes, I think so. Perhaps it's the kind of fireworks they would
send up if they were in distress - ie what we'd probably call flares
today? Somewhere in the past I have a memory of some ship coming
to the end of its voyage returning fireworks along with other stores and
equipment.
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HMS Ceres At Alexandria and firing a royal salute for Queen Alexandra's birthday.
For some reason I find that pleasing - perhaps this should be in the addiction thread ;D
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0183_0.jpg
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You're hooked! :D :D :D
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Welcome to the Club!! ;D ;D ;D
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HMS Fox, 15 May 1919, travelling from Murmansk to Archangle -
following icebreaker, and having got stuck in ice several times records:
Impossible to proceed, banked fires.
I've
just found this page
http://www.naval-history.net/WW1z05NorthRussia.htm, which has a diary
entry for one of the crew onboard during this time - fascinating
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HMS Fox, Archangel, Russia, 3rd August 1919, midnight
S.O.S. Signal received from R.C. "Walton Belle"
4th August, 12.5 12.5 Leuit Comd Hunt with party left ship to give assistance in "Walton Belle"
1.0 Party returned with 24 Russian prisoners
4.35 Prisoners turned over to the military authorities
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Oh dear - my lot on the Jed lead a very genteel life
compared.....though coal tallying party sounds a tad like that famous
children's game, 'now because you've all been so good, we're all going
to have fun and polish our shoes'. I wonder if they won the football??
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I had one ship (Cardiff, I think) where they actually recorded the
scores of their football matches for a short time. I did rather
take it as a sign that life wasn't very exciting ....
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Hard time is beginning:
HMS Glasgow is in Rio de Janeiro and preparing for war. A warrant engineer Mr Hercules ??? joined ship.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42828/ADM%2053-42828-057_0.jpg
and:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42828/ADM%2053-42828-057_1.jpg
They
had to leave harbour because of Brazil being a neutral country..
According to the laws written in the Hague Conference of 1907
belligerents could not use neutral harbours for base against the enemy
and could stay only for 24 hours in harbour. Brazil restricted the use
of its harbours to once every three month for every men of war, and this
until war was declared against Germany october 26th 1917.
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Interesting! Thanks for posting that.
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Promotion on HMS Edinburgh Castle
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-065a_1.jpg
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HMS Iphigenia, 23 March 1916, somehwere around Murmansk maybe : 0.40
Fire broke out in "Bombadier's" W/T room + extended to magazine. All
hands employed extinguishing fire. 2.15 Fire under control. 3p.m. Fire
extinguished
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HMS
Iphigenia, 23 March 1916, somehwere around Murmansk maybe : 0.40 Fire
broke out in "Bombadier's" W/T room + extended to magazine. All hands
employed extinguishing fire. 2.15 Fire under control. 3p.m. Fire
extinguished
Phew!!!
In
retrospect probably not a good idea to have the WT room, with all that
new fangled electrical stuff next door to the magazine.
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Abandon ship!!! - I think I'm either going cross eyed, mad, or the
Iphigenia is working two threads here - she's just burnt out a chunk of
boat in this thread and in 'riveting logs' she's just sprung a
leak ::) :o ;D ... time to put in for a transfer all you jolly
tars...
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I think I'm either going cross eyed, mad, or
Glad to see you are fitting in well here ;D
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Avast me hearties - I'm having a great time!
;D ;D ;D ;D
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After chasing and examining many ships, H.M.S. Glasgow had her
prize, German S.S. Santa Catharina. The next day her crew was transfered
to S.S. Newquay. According to www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?176397 she
was sunk By H.M.S. Glasgow, but nothing in her log book.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42828/ADM%2053-42828-062_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42828/ADM%2053-42828-063_0.jpg
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Divers at monthly dip.
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HMS Edinburgh Castle 25th December 1914
6.30 Guns crews to coffee
Plenty
of references to tea in the logs but that is the first time I've
noticed coffee mentioned. Maybe it is a special christmas treat.
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A little excitement for HMS Edinburgh Castle, but ultimately a false alarm
3.25 Obs str brg SE1/2E a/c SE1/2S
3.30 Sounded "Action". All guns cleared away, loaded with common shell
3.45 Signalled steamer which proved to be the French "Sant Anna"
3.50 "Unload" & "Secure"
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-076_1.jpg
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I suspect that for quite a few crewmembers it might be the first
taste of real (?) coffee they have had. Remembering my first taste
of real coffee when I went to stay with my French pen friend it might
have come as a bit of a shock to the palate.
(Over the years I now drink it without sugar and, if it is a good mellow brew, without milk either.)
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Coaling at sea can be difficult when you can't do it in a neutral harbour:
... hawsers continually parting.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42828/ADM%2053-42828-081_1.jpg
Finally they managed to finish coaling the next day.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42828/ADM%2053-42828-082_0.jpg
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Well, I'm working on Falmouth at the moment. She was coaling while
anchored in Scapa Flow and her collier had to anchor because all the
cables had parted. Falmouth dragged her anchors and was forced to
use her engines for several hours to reduce the force on the (anchor)
cables. I understood that Scapa Flow was chosen as a base because,
among other features, being almost landlocked it provided a sheltered
anchorage. Sheltered is obviously a relative term.
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I had thought this thread was for the light-hearted stuff? ???
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me too - which is why I'm doing this -
the Foxglove is stepping out - please see our location :P
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42137/ADM%2053-42137-007_0.jpg
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Devonshire in Halifax Harbor 12 Feb 1917
Warrant Engineer Charles H. Hunter reprimanded for being AWOL Feb 11.
Log signed by himself and the Captain. No explanation of what or why he was away.
Nothing
in the logs for the 11th. It was a Sunday and they only listed parties
ashore for R.C., Wesleyan, & Presbyterian Services.
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Well, I'd be perfectly happy if one of the moderators moved the 'John High' entries to a more fitting heading.
I would like to apologize if I sounded like I was getting at you personally - that was not my intention.
I
have generally turned to "Worse things ..." for a bit of light relief
but there has always been a fine line between this thread and "Riveting
Log Entries" and it seems to be more and more blurred lately.
Personally
I would prefer it if we had a separate thread for the trivia, but maybe
we need to start a new one or modify the title of WTHAS so that it is
clear that it is meant to be less serious than RLE?
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I think of this as the thread for trivia, but perhaps the title (Worse...) is a bit ambiguous.
We're not too strictly organized, but deaths usually go in http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=671.0
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OOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPSSSSSS!!
Devonshire 23 feb 1917
Picket boat sank alongside!!
Divers engaged diving on picket boat.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-39751/ADM%2053-39751-014_1.jpg
Hoisted aboard on the 28th after diving on it for 5 days!
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-39751/ADM%2053-39751-017_0.jpg
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:D :D :D :D :D :D
Hi Dmaschen - reminds me of one of the
Jed entries which was along the lines of 'we're going out for torpedo
practice', then, 'returned to harbour, in tow one junk with a hole in
it'. (Hmmm - can't imagine how that happened) And nothing more
said than that..great sense of humour these log keepers have. :)
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Ava:
It was interesting because for the next 5 days all
the log said was 'Divers employed diving on pb. Nothing said until
'PB hoisted on deck.'
I wonder...did someone leave the plug out or something??!! ;D ;D
Blessings, Dean
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...
I have generally turned to "Worse things ..." for a bit of light relief
but there has always been a fine line between this thread and "Riveting
Log Entries" and it seems to be more and more blurred lately.
Personally
I would prefer it if we had a separate thread for the trivia, but maybe
we need to start a new one or modify the title of WTHAS so that it is
clear that it is meant to be less serious than RLE?
As the forefather of this thread, I confess my fault.
Whenever
anything went wrong (when I was young) my grandmother would comfort me
with the words: "Don't worry! Worse things happen at sea." Having grown
up with it, I assumed that it was a universally understood idiom, never
really expecting that I should be in communication with a wordwide
community. My Gran wouldn't have believed that anyone would pay
attention to anything I said or did. ;D
I kicked off with the words:
"I
realise that I have cluttered the Riveting Logs Entries with trivia
(and I refrained from submitting some). So here is an option for
curious_or_possibly_interesting_but_less_than_rivetting items." but that
seems a long time ago ...
Attempted humour and clarity aren't always compatible.
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Less than riveting, but interesting; it's from HMS Grafton, 25th August 1914, on patrol in the North Sea:
Emp'd painting upperworks Battle Grey
I guess they were having to multi-task, getting on with the war while also trying to camouflage the ship.
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Definitely an oops moment on HMS Grafton, 28th April 1914:
2pm
Fore 6 pr Mag. flooded while testing flooding arrangements by wood
splinters jammed in valve seating. Sail room flooded 6" deep thro'
defective cooling valve seating. spare compass cards.
Haling ~ Inst't & some N.atl. charts damaged by salt water.
Commenced pumping out 2.30pm
Can anyone work out what was damaged between the compass cards and the nautical charts?
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43384/ADM%2053-43384-084_1.jpg
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Haling Error Instr? Something for checking compass error,
maybe? Can't find anything on Google to confirm, though. :(
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Heeling Error Instrument??!! Something like a 'level' to tell how far the ship had 'tipped'.
I believe in current lingo it's called an inclinometer. ;D
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I think you're close, Dean.
Are you sitting comfortably, helenj?
Then I'll begin:
I,
too, believe it says "Heeling Error Instructions". (Printed
instructions being more prone to damage by brief immersion in water than
an instrument would be.)
I suggest that the letter(s) following the
"H" are not his"a" which has a closed loop and an almost vertical right
hand side, see "valve seating spare compass card"
on the line above and we should consider "ee". Moving away from mere
opinion to fact, I cite this
(http://myreckonings.com/wordpress/2009/04/18/magnetic-deviation-comprehension-compensation-and-computation-part-i/):
"Other Sources of Magnetic Deviation
There is another effect
not taken into account in this chart, the distortion due to heeling of
the ship, i.e., the leaning of the ship from wind as well as the
transient rolling of the ship. Smith derived equations for all that as
well in his manual [Gray presents a nice summary of it all]. Heeling
produces a maximum deviation when the ship is heading north or south,
and no deviation when heading east or west (although the needle will
have less directive force to north in this case). The complementary
pitching action of the ship, being more transient that heeling, does not
produce a significant difference in deviation on average. Another
transient effect found in practice, the Gaussin error (not Gaussian
error), is a time lag in magnetic change with heading change of about 2
minutes due to opposing magnetic fields in the soft iron created by eddy
currents (by Lenz?s Law). Of greater concern is the retentive error, or
the tendency to retain residual, subpermanent magnetism in the hard
iron that is accumulated as the ship maintains a set course for a long
time (say, several days) while being hammered by waves, an effect that
can last from hours to more than a day after a heading change. This
certainly required some experience and a good bit of art to reckon in
the past."
There's a heap more information of this sort included in the link, which I expect you will wish to commit to memory.
(BTW - Remember! You promised to play nice.)
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Is that why you said the compass reading S55E was 55 east of south, because of the heeling effect?
The measurement is in degrees from N&S due to that effect?
You get into some heavy reading there Bunts.
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Bunts:
Makes sense. I believe you've nailed it!
BTW -
Great to see your posts. ::)Missed you! :'( Thought maybe
you had 'wireless failure', hit a mine, or sailed into the sunset or
something! ;)
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Bunts:
Makes sense. I believe you've nailed it!
BTW
- Great to see your posts. ::)Missed you! :'( Thought maybe
you had 'wireless failure', hit a mine, or sailed into the sunset or
something! ;)
Hello, Sailor!
The mine is nearest.
Real Life is a pain in the stern.
My offers to help elsewhere have (nearly) all been called in at the same time. :-\
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Is that why you said the compass reading S55E was 55 east of south, because of the heeling effect?
The measurement is in degrees from N&S due to that effect?
You get into some heavy reading there Bunts.
Erm ... no.
S55E
was where the ship was pointing according to the Standard Compass, but
the "True" course, as would have been shown on a gyro-compass or,
empirically, where the ship actually hit land, may have been marginally
different.
How did you deduce the weight of my monitor?
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Less than riveting, but interesting; it's from HMS Grafton, 25th August 1914, on patrol in the North Sea:
Emp'd painting upperworks Battle Grey
I guess they were having to multi-task, getting on with the war while also trying to camouflage the ship.
Hi Helen
I
had very similar entries on board both Odin and one of the other Cadmus
sloops, Clio I think. I suspect that they were painted either white or
black with the white stripe as in most of the pictures of them. When the
war was imminent they were suddenly told to paint them grey as most
warships had been for years. They were out of date in so many ways when
the war started but the colour was one of the things they could change.
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That's really interesting Keith; thanks for posting it. That
may well be why I don't think I've come across this activity before,
along with not having done many logs for the early months of the war.
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From the Foxglove, May 2, 1920, Colombo:
5.20 Landed Church Parties
That is earliest I have ever seen Church Parties landed - I checked and this was not Easter - I wonder why so early? ???
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That seems a good guess before correction.
According to http://elvis.rowan.edu/~kilroy/jek/litmonth.cgi?5,1920 it was for the Easter Ceremonies.
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huh - the list I consulted has Easter for 1920 on April 4th -
As a member of the American branch of the C of E, I know Easter is the only service that would get us up that early ;D
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It was!
http://elvis.rowan.edu/~kilroy/JEK/litmonth.cgi
according to Bunts' own list!
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I don't think it was Easter - if you look at the calender several
other Sunday's have Easter on them, with a different number before,
which I reckon means it was the 5th, or 6th Sunday after Easter.
I
don't think Easter can ever be that late - in a table of dates running
from 2001 to 2030 the latest date for Easter is April 24th (last year,
in fact).
My suspicion is that the clue is in where they are - in hot
climates, church tends to happen early. When I stayed in Malaysia
the earliest service at the Cathedral on a Sunday was about 7am, and
that was a major service, not an 'early celebration' as it would be in
more temperate parts.
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Hats off to Kathy, and genuflect to helenj:
http://elvis.rowan.edu/~kilroy/jek/litmonth.cgi?4,1920
Which
brings me to the observation that I was brought up to regard Easter
Sunday as tautological, as Easter Day is of necessity a Sunday.
Funny old calendar, that: 10th April is shown as commemorating Dietrich Bonhoeffer a full 25 years before his death.
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Yes, saying Easter Sunday is a tad redundant ;D
I am being serious when I say I dearly love the lesser feast day folks - most have done the most interesting things -
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Hats off to Kathy, and genuflect to helenj:
http://elvis.rowan.edu/~kilroy/jek/litmonth.cgi?4,1920
Which
brings me to the observation that I was brought up to regard Easter
Sunday as tautological, as Easter Day is of necessity a Sunday.
Funny old calendar, that: 10th April is shown as commemorating Dietrich Bonhoeffer a full 25 years before his death.
Looks
as though someone has pasted a current liturgical calendar onto a 1920
calendar - not a good idea. Quite apart from anything else, it
means they have (as Bunts points out) people who weren't even being
commemorated then; plus people whose feasts would in any case have been
displaced by it being Holy Week or Easter Week. (I was once
accused of being a liturgical shop steward, and perhaps you can see
why! :D)
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But not much worse ...
HMS Hildebrand has just spent
Christmas day 1914 escorting a Danish prize ship to Stornoway.
They arrive late in the evening but can't see the anchorage and have to
turn round and head back to sea, with the prize ship still
following. Not much fun or celebration for anyone.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44343/ADM%2053-44343-016_0.jpg
They
finally made it into Stornoway at midday the following day; put a prize
crew on board the Danish ship, and then up anchor and off again.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44343/ADM%2053-44343-016_1.jpg
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After some dull weeks at Rio de la Plata, interrupted only by some
examining vessels (usual routine awaiting action), finally a something
unusual to do.
Schooner Pax flying Argentine colours was examined
by searchlights and than boarded. The results must not have been
satisfactory (fake colours?). A prize crew was sent to her and than
ordered to Port Stanley.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42830/ADM%2053-42830-014_1.jpg
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But not much worse ...
HMS
Hildebrand has just spent Christmas day 1914 escorting a Danish prize
ship to Stornoway. They arrive late in the evening but can't see
the anchorage and have to turn round and head back to sea, with the
prize ship still following. Not much fun or celebration for
anyone.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44343/ADM%2053-44343-016_0.jpg
They
finally made it into Stornoway at midday the following day; put a prize
crew on board the Danish ship, and then up anchor and off again.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44343/ADM%2053-44343-016_1.jpg
Hey
Helenj I just got there too...what an xmas present...and it took them
til Boxing day to 'unwrap' it. At last I've 'seen some action' after
hitting log after log of 'we are in harbour'
Ava
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Hi Ava, yes I suspected we were about the same point from one or two
things you'd posted. Always good to get out to sea, even if it
also makes you glad to be sitting at home in the warm and dry!
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Oh no! Calamity!!...went back and had to go from Dec 25th to Dec
28th - though I sneak peeked the 26th earlier so I did see that they
bagged that Danish ship for a prize - what an xmas present! Then -
they bag another (Norwegian this time) on the 28th. Well - party
poppers all round then! ;D ;D ;D
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Sorry, that was probably me - I got several days in a row (having
done some jumping earlier). At least you've got another bit
of excitement ....
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Bermuda 1921
1645 Hands to Bathe. 1700 In all bathers.
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:o jeepers - that's a stack load of soap ;D ;D ;D
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Sold effects of two deserters.
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HMS Columbella saw some action in the morning:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-38278/ADM%2053-38278-186a_0.jpg
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Devonshire 24 April 1917
Galley capsized whilst sailing. Ldg Seaman W. Gay missing
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-39753/ADM%2053-39753-015_0.jpg
Court of Enquiry held 25 April no further information so far.
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Devonshire 2 May 1917
Funeral Service held for Leading Seaman Gay.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-39754/ADM%2053-39754-004_0.jpg
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HMS Gloucestershire - Let go head tug. off Bowling
Tug crew going for a night out? ;D
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43105/ADM%2053-43105-009_0.jpg
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Sadly I suspect it is much less interesting.
http://www.scottielad.supanet.com/bowling/index.htm
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Been on that canal in a narrow boat, never caught anything that big.
That's some big fish. :D
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Tegwen,
That actually was quite interesting. Although the tartan
background made it a bit difficult to read, my eyes were going a
bit :o
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Tegwen,
That
actually was quite interesting. Although the tartan background made it a
bit difficult to read, my eyes were going a bit :o
I only find the websites. Their decoration is nothing to do with me honest. ;)
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I know this says 'painting whalers'..but the writing often looks
like 'painting whales' (see 1.15 pm). And I have this strangely amusing
vision of a set of able seamen setting about the grey whales - painting
on barnacles and the like, or sneakily swapping the white splodges for
black on the Orcas. So if your log ever reports rainbow whales near
Sydney - it's the Fantome whale painters at work....
:-X
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-41500/ADM%2053-41500-089_0.jpg
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Who knows what lurks in the hearts of whales?....
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Oooo- that's very Zen! 8)
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The Fantome knows... ;D
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;D ;D ;D
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Somewheeeereeeeeeeeee Over the Rainbow................
Whales are not grey....................... ;D
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( ;D ;D ;D ;D brilliant Dmaschen!)
they swim in every colour............
as the Fantome paints away....................
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H.M.S. Glasgow discovered a derelict and gutted vessel, the
Hetholmen (not sure of her name) a Norwegian barque. Her crew must have
left the shipp as no boats were found.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42839/ADM%2053-42839-011_1.jpg
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Perhaps the worst things happen in port:
"Gave Collier 19
barrels of condemned flour & 632 lbs of rabbit." Add some coal dust
and you have a hearty rabbit stew ;D
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40569/ADM%2053-40569-012_1.jpg
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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HMS Edinburgh Castle 18th June 1917
7.30 Finished coaling 911 tons in average 84.6 tons per hour - best record obtained during commission
Congratulations crew! It didn't say but I hope they got an extra tot of rum for their efforts :)
UPDATE:
Record broken on 17th Sept 1917
822 tons in average 88.01 tons per hour
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HMS Edinburgh Castle at the Falkland Islands - Sent 1 mechanical
mine to Governer. Perhaps it was what he always wanted :P
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40570/ADM%2053-40570-015_0.jpg
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;D
So you're the one I've been playing leapfrog with on
the Edinburgh Castle, Jill. :) We're making good progress
and there's still at least another year to go yet.
Craig
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The pressure got a bit low in Shanghai in December 1920...
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42141/ADM%2053-42141-020_1.jpg
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;D
So
you're the one I've been playing leapfrog with on the Edinburgh Castle,
Jill. :) We're making good progress and there's still at
least another year to go yet.
Craig
Hello, shipmate! I'll try not to do too many pages ;D
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The pressure got a bit low in Shanghai in December 1920...
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42141/ADM%2053-42141-020_1.jpg
Now That's a LOW!!! ;D ;D
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A trawler was blown up in Russia:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44936/ADM%2053-44936-005_1.jpg
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oh my - how awful :'( - RIP to the brave men of the 'John High'.
(Should this post be copied to the Burials and Deaths strand?)
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oh my - how awful :'( - RIP to the brave men of the 'John High'.
(Should this post be copied to the Burials and Deaths strand?)
DONE
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Thanks Janet,
A
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HMS Iphigenia finally did something: She went to look for a missing ship.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44944/ADM%2053-44944-008_0.jpg
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That's a really interesting page! Especially for the Iphigenia 8)
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Yep. Since then, the crew's been hard at work salvaging the ship.
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I wouldn't have been one of the divers having to clean those condenser inlets in that freezing water.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42844/ADM%2053-42844-004_1.jpg
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Someone broke Iphigenia's compass:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44947/ADM%2053-44947-013_0.jpg
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HMS Edinburgh Castle 6th Feb 1918
1.45 Accident to barge -
after fall block unhooked. 4 men overboard. Both sea boats & whaler
manned, lowered. Picked up men - who were none the worse for their
immersion - slightly bruised from the fall.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40594/ADM%2053-40594-006_0.jpg
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It's 'bcqrs', 16th Dec on the Columbella, 1916 in the seas off
Iceland...frankly the weather here in Oxford today is not far off this -
although we could do with SOME 'b', and we haven't quit hit 's'.
Worse things do happen at sea - but we are trying to catch up. >:( :( ??? ;)
then again....ocurqs just a few days later.
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HMS Edinburgh Castle 6th Feb 1918
1.45
Accident to barge - after fall block unhooked. 4 men overboard. Both
sea boats & whaler manned, lowered. Picked up men - who were none
the worse for their immersion - slightly bruised from the fall.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40594/ADM%2053-40594-006_0.jpg
I love that log entry!
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There was a prison breakout on HMS Ebro:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40533/ADM%2053-40533-252_0.jpg
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There was a prison breakout on HMS Ebro:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40533/ADM%2053-40533-252_0.jpg
I
want to know what happened next - did they find him? Glasgow
probably had plenty of possible places to go to ground in ....
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I don't know. My voyage ended on that month, and I can't access the other logs because Ebro's not 100%.
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HMS Drake got a royal visit in Canada:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40167/ADM%2053-40167-014_1.jpg
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Whoa! A real blue-blood! Vice-Roy of Canada.... one-up-man-ship for the Drake... 8)
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HMS Glory 16th September 1917 - Provisions received. 12 live sheep 1 sheep condemned :'(
I don't imagine the future was looking good for the other 11!
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43037/ADM%2053-43037-011_0.jpg
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HMS Glory 16th September 1917 - Provisions received. 12 live sheep 1 sheep condemned :'(
I don't imagine the future was looking good for the other 11!
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43037/ADM%2053-43037-011_0.jpg
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D (what am I about??? I'm a veggie!) :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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HMS Gloucestershire - tasty weather at 4am
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43111/ADM%2053-43111-006_0.jpg
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HMS Gloucestershire - tasty weather at 4am
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43111/ADM%2053-43111-006_0.jpg
Too bad it wasn't the day before. They could have had Cinco de MAYO!!! ;D
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;D
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HMS Gloucestershire - tasty weather at 4am
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43111/ADM%2053-43111-006_0.jpg
Too bad it wasn't the day before. They could have had Cinco de MAYO!!! ;D
Did
you notice that at 11:30 AM they received a cask of rum and at 12 the
fog lifted? I could imagine their spirits lifting, but not the fog
:D
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I wonder if their heads were foggy the following morning ;D
Also this just came up on my Internet tick a tape.
http://bigpondnews.com/articles/TopStories/2012/06/18/Navys_new_ship_defective_already_762309.html
(http://bigpondnews.com/articles/TopStories/2012/06/18/Navys_new_ship_defective_already_762309.html)
Not a good sign.
Can't trust the poms.
If
you want good interest rates just send me money and I will invest for
you with the company shown in the advertisement. Honest I will. ;)
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I'm glad I own a sailboat!!! :D
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Did
you notice that at 11:30 AM they received a cask of rum and at 12 the
fog lifted? I could imagine their spirits lifting, but not the fog
:D
I
had been confused by the mention of fog lifting with no previous
mention of fog. I hadn't spotted the connection to the delivery of
rum ;D
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I wonder if their heads were foggy the following morning ;D
Also this just came up on my Internet tick a tape.
http://bigpondnews.com/articles/TopStories/2012/06/18/Navys_new_ship_defective_already_762309.html
(http://bigpondnews.com/articles/TopStories/2012/06/18/Navys_new_ship_defective_already_762309.html)
Not a good sign.
Can't trust the poms.
If
you want good interest rates just send me money and I will invest for
you with the company shown in the advertisement. Honest I will. ;)
I
could have warned them. Canada bought some used subs from the UK and
they have been nothing but trouble. We forgot to kick the tires ;D
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2012/05/02/ns-subs-compensation-letter.html
No offence to OW UK friends. I know it's not your fault :)
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Shouldn't that be in the general category of, "never buying a used car without having your mechanic check it out first?" :P
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We don't seem to be very good at building our own new ones, so I suspect second hand offerings should be looked at very carefully, and probably taken for extensive test drives/dives before handing over any money....
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The big thing is, only the expert mechanic might be able to find all
the bits and pieces that have to date operated just fine but are really
on the edge of breaking. And many times, the first owner isn't
lying at all, just saying what has happened to date.
Did the RN give the RAN a warranty?
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I nearly choked when I saw the ship name at 7 am:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40581/ADM%2053-40581-015_0.jpg
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Why.
From
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=79196
(http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=79196)
Orient Steam Navigation Co.; 1911; J. Brown & Co.; 12,927 tons;
551x64-2x39; 13,000 i.h.p.; 18 knots; triple-expansion engines &
L.P. turbine; four 4 . 7 in. guns.
The liner Orama was taken over by the British Admiralty on the
outbreak of the First World War. On October 19th, 1917, in
company with eight United States destroyers, she was escorting a
convoy of 17 vessels, when at 5.50 in the afternoon she was torpedoed
on the port side by the German submarine U-62, Cdr.
Ernst Hashagen. The ship began to sink, but very slowly, while the
U.S. destroyer Conynham tried to ram the submarine, but without
success. About four hours later the Orama sank.
I assume that is the same one?
Stuart.
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Orama was with the Edinburgh Castle from March to July 1916 off the east coast of South America - mostly at Abrolhos Rocks.
I am also curious to know why are you suprised to see HMS Orama, Hannibal94? (I am currently transcribing the EC too).
Craig
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I nearly choked when I saw the ship name at 7 am:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40581/ADM%2053-40581-015_0.jpg
;D ;D 'Navy Force One'??? ;D
I spotted this name a few weeks ago and it made me stop in my tracks for a second look....
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I must be blind but all I see is "Orama" at 7 AM ???
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I don't know if it was the same for Hannibal, but with the writing
that I saw, it looked like 'Obama'...thus my Navy Force One jape.
::)
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OH! I thought the R was an S..... Dammit!
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OH! I thought the R was an S..... Dammit!
;D ;D ;D ;D
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It's getting pretty confusing as it is with Ooma, Orama and Oratova
(not to mention Amethyst, Dunclutha and Headcliffe) all following he EC
around. We certainly don't need Obama or Ossama ;D
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It's
getting pretty confusing as it is with Ooma, Orama and Oratova (not to
mention Amethyst, Dunclutha and Headcliffe) all following he EC around.
We certainly don't need Obama or Ossama ;D
OH! I thought the R was an S..... Dammit!
;D ;D ;D
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http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40585/ADM%2053-40585-008_1.jpg
This sounds pretty serious at 10 AM but it seems it was only a drill or a false alarm judging from the following log entries.
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I think the clue is 'stations'
I just recently had an entry along the lines of 'Read stations for collision'
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As I understand it reading the stations means that they explained to
the men who had to be where and do what when particular emergencies
were sounded. They then practiced getting there and prepared, which is
what was happening with the exercise at 10.00am on the Edinburgh Castle.
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As
I understand it reading the stations means that they explained to the
men who had to be where and do what when particular emergencies were
sounded. They then practiced getting there and prepared, which is what
was happening with the exercise at 10.00am on the Edinburgh Castle.
Sigh
- what ever happened to the idea of the 'fire ship'..I suppose it went
out of fashion after QE1? Or did it get as far as Nelson?..I think we
should be told...Ed. ( ;) )
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Passed South into the Tropics
First time I have seen this noted.
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http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40585/ADM%2053-40585-008_1.jpg
This sounds pretty serious at 10 AM but it seems it was only a drill or a false alarm judging from the following log entries.
Well at least they had Divisions and prayed first!!! :D
I've seen this on several other ships but it was usually accompanied by 'exercised' or some similar term.
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The last men are being discharged and H.M.S. Glasgow is now paid off.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42863/ADM%2053-42863-017_0.jpg
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The last men are being discharged and H.M.S. Glasgow is now paid off.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42863/ADM%2053-42863-017_0.jpg
:'( :'( :'(
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On HMS Edinburgh Castle, 2 firemen broke out and 1 was caught later:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40595/ADM%2053-40595-005_0.jpg
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The last men are being discharged and H.M.S. Glasgow is now paid off.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42863/ADM%2053-42863-017_0.jpg
:'( :'( :'(
Here's a tissue, ~tissue~ :(
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On HMS Edinburgh Castle, 2 firemen broke out and 1 was caught later:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40595/ADM%2053-40595-005_0.jpg
Morale
must have been pretty low in March 1918. There were a whole raft of
warrants read and search parties rounding up deserters and putting them
in the clinker. The Edinburgh Castle was taking on large supplies of
beans at Rio and Santos at this point. I thought it was the army that
got the beans than the navy got the gravy :D.
By the way, anyone know what this is all about: Dropped experimental smoke box & resumed station ?
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Navy beans
The navy bean got its current popular name because it was a staple food of the United States Navy in the early 20th century.
Heinz use navy navy beans for their Baked Beans.
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By the way, anyone know what this is all about: Dropped experimental smoke box & resumed station ?
A
smoke box is a device that was used to produce a smoke screen hiding
the ship from the enemy's view while changing course to make an attack
from another point or to escape a superior fire power. Usually those
boxes are put into the funnels but in this case I presume that it must
be a box that produces the smoke while in the water. ???
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By the way, anyone know what this is all about: Dropped experimental smoke box & resumed station ?
A
smoke box is a device that was used to produce a smoke screen hiding
the ship from the enemy's view while changing course to make an attack
from another point or to escape a superior fire power. Usually those
boxes are put into the funnels but in this case I presume that it must
be a box that produces the smoke while in the water. ???
Either that or it was experimental in the 'well, that didn't work' sense, and so they threw it overboard ..... ?
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HMS Gloucestershire 22nd February 1916 - Found that electric wiring
seriously affected compasses, returned to river anchorage to remedy
defects.
The ship has just been commisioned.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43084/ADM%2053-43084-010_1.jpg
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HMS Gloucestershire 11th May 1916 - One salt pork cask expended for use as a fog buoy
Necessity is the mother of invention or someone really didn't like salt pork? :D
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43087/ADM%2053-43087-008_1.jpg - 9am
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HMS Gloucestershire 14th May 1916 - Intercepted Brit: steam trawler CONISBORO CASTLE. Too rough to board
Those trawlermen can be a bit coarse ;)
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43087/ADM%2053-43087-010_0.jpg
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;D
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HMS Gloucestershire 14th May 1916 - Intercepted Brit: steam trawler CONISBORO CASTLE. Too rough to board
Those trawlermen can be a bit coarse ;)
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43087/ADM%2053-43087-010_0.jpg
possibly because they'd just had a cask of salt pork across their bows three days before? ;D ;D
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The Intrepids logkeeper is so confused by the loss of his
thermometer that all days start to look alike, and the very next day he
is already forgetting what month it
is...http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44877/ADM%2053-44877-011_0.jpg
Edit: a couple of days later the log stops halfway through a day, and that was that it seems...
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44877/ADM%2053-44877-012_0.jpg
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Probably too busy thinking about going home for a visit, to pay
attention to when they are shutting down at the end of their voyage. ;D
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What on earth were the working party up to?
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42849/ADM%2053-42849-007_0.jpg
???
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Cleaning and painting the hospital is a tempting guess :D
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oh yes!...never thought of that. ::)
Cor - that's economical - need a bit of housework doing - flag down the navy boys to do the job.
I like it.
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Plus they get to do something back for all the times they are sent to hospital! Pay it forward and such.
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You're right there Karijn! ;D
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A sailor from HMS Gloucestershire got married:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43097/ADM%2053-43097-013_0.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43097/ADM%2053-43097-016_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43098/ADM%2053-43098-003_1.jpg
I don't understand why they have to take notice of this 3 times.
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That is adorable! :D
I love it if somebody finds these types of proof of the everyday life of the crew.
I found this one:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44878/ADM%2053-44878-004_0.jpg
8 'o clock: Stand by hammocks? What now?
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A sailor from HMS Gloucestershire got married:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43097/ADM%2053-43097-013_0.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43097/ADM%2053-43097-016_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43098/ADM%2053-43098-003_1.jpg
I don't understand why they have to take notice of this 3 times.
In
the Church of England banns of marriage have to be called three times -
still are today. It's meant to give anyone who knows a reason why
the two shouldn't marry (e.g. the sailor has a wife in another port!)
the opportunity to hear about the impending marriage and spill the beans
....
So the banns aren't the actual marriage - they come before the day, usually on the three Sundays before the wedding.
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A sailor from HMS Gloucestershire got married:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43097/ADM%2053-43097-013_0.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43097/ADM%2053-43097-016_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43098/ADM%2053-43098-003_1.jpg
I don't understand why they have to take notice of this 3 times.
Awww - that's so sweet...
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Florence May Cleary - 'SPINSTER'??!! :o
I'm not gonna go any where NEAR that one!! ::)
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The terms batchelor and spinster refers to the unmarried state, if
the first spouse has died they are referred to as widower or
widow. Traditionally the role of an unmarried girl was to spin the
wool so spinster and this became the label for all unmarried
women. If banns are being called in the Church of England today
the same titles are used for the couple who are batchelor of the parish
of St __ , ______ and spinster of the parish of St ____ , ______. One of
them will probably be referred to as batchelor/spinster of this
parish. The banns have to be called 3 times in the parish churches
where each of them lives and the church where they are getting married
if this is different.
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Florence May Cleary - 'SPINSTER'??!! :o
I'm not gonna go any where NEAR that one!! ::)
Dean - you don't know how much that made me laugh! ;D ;D ;D
Actually for the time she must have been born into she has a very contemporary name.
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Bring in the bigger guns .... This is from Hilary, 20th August 1916:
5.17am
stopped in Lat 63 5 N Long 10 10 W & sent armed guard Midshipman
Bell onboard Danish schooner Venus from Copenhagen to Stokkoeyrie cargo
general.
6.20 on Capt of Schooner refusing to proceed to Lerwick placed Lieut Joynson & prize crew onboard.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44335/ADM%2053-44335-013_0.jpg
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The
terms batchelor and spinster refers to the unmarried state, if the
first spouse has died they are referred to as widower or widow.
Traditionally the role of an unmarried girl was to spin the wool so
spinster and this became the label for all unmarried women. If
banns are being called in the Church of England today the same titles
are used for the couple who are batchelor of the parish of St __ ,
______ and spinster of the parish of St ____ , ______. One of them will
probably be referred to as batchelor/spinster of this parish. The
banns have to be called 3 times in the parish churches where each of
them lives and the church where they are getting married if this is
different.
In the USA the Catholic Church still posts the banns 3 times.
As to the spinster - I know - I just couldn't resist the comment!! ;)
Florence May Cleary - 'SPINSTER'??!! :o
I'm not gonna go any where NEAR that one!! ::)
Dean - you don't know how much that made me laugh! ;D ;D ;D
Actually for the time she must have been born into she has a very contemporary name.
Ava - Glad you got a chuckle!!! :D
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Bring in the bigger guns .... This is from Hilary, 20th August 1916:
5.17am
stopped in Lat 63 5 N Long 10 10 W & sent armed guard Midshipman
Bell onboard Danish schooner Venus from Copenhagen to Stokkoeyrie cargo
general.
6.20 on Capt of Schooner refusing to proceed to Lerwick placed Lieut Joynson & prize crew onboard.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44335/ADM%2053-44335-013_0.jpg
I wondered what happened if the boarded ship's captain was uncooperative. I'm on Gloucestershire in the same patrol area.
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We meet you very regularly indeed - I'll wave next time! In
fact today we picked up one of your boats - sadly the entry didn't say
why ...
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I got curious and jumped ahead a week - no mention at all of the
marriage, which makes sense - they were at sea patrolling in a blizzard
that was delivering black snow!
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43098/ADM%2053-43098-008_0.jpg
I don't have the patience to read the whole week, so I hope May Cleary got her ceremony in before they left port.
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I
got curious and jumped ahead a week - no mention at all of the
marriage, which makes sense - they were at sea patrolling in a blizzard
that was delivering black snow!
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43098/ADM%2053-43098-008_0.jpg
I don't have the patience to read the whole week, so I hope May Cleary got her ceremony in before they left port.
I
saw most of the pages after the Banns appeared and no mention of the
marriage. However when they got back to Glasgow the Starboard watch (or
possibly Port - one of them!) were sent on long leave for about a week. I
hoped Alfred was included and rushed hot foot to her side :)
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Certainly, having read the banns onboard means they can get married on a half day's notice as soon as his leave happens! ;D
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Well I didn't raid for the full certificate but let's toast the
bride and groom and hope they had many happy years together:
:-* ;D :-*
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(http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/11863/Champagnebubbels.gif)
Since she's from London, they may have met on an earlier leave. ;D
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Thanks Ava, that matches with the time of the leave - a happy
ending ;D (well apart from the fact he was then back at sea!)
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I
got curious and jumped ahead a week - no mention at all of the
marriage, which makes sense - they were at sea patrolling in a blizzard
that was delivering black snow!
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43098/ADM%2053-43098-008_0.jpg
It
is said to be lucky for a bride to meet a chimney sweep but
encountering a black-snow storm takes us into a potentially larger
amount of good fortune.
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Oh, your good Bunts. ;)
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If you see a church notice board where the Vicar is listed as a
'Surrogate for Marriages' it means that he can marry a couple without
banns if they declare that they are free to marry on very short notice.
Quite a few 'Surrogates' were created during WW2 to cope with the man
being sent abroad at short notice and wanting to marry his fiance before
he went. The 'Surrogate' means that he can act in this matter as if he
was the Bishop (or is it Archbishop?) who can give permission for
marriage without banns. I think there is a higher fee though so it
isn't something to be done thoughtlessly.
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If
you see a church notice board where the Vicar is listed as a 'Surrogate
for Marriages' it means that he can marry a couple without banns if
they declare that they are free to marry on very short notice. Quite a
few 'Surrogates' were created during WW2 to cope with the man being sent
abroad at short notice and wanting to marry his fiance before he went.
The 'Surrogate' means that he can act in this matter as if he was the
Bishop (or is it Archbishop?) who can give permission for marriage
without banns. I think there is a higher fee though so it isn't
something to be done thoughtlessly.
Yep.
It
used to be a substantially higher fee for a "Common Licence" (Bishop's
Licence) that was sometimes waived for participants in "the recent
unpleasantness". Nowadays, it's not much different from two sets of
banns; although it is quicker.
Archbishop's licence (yer actual
"Special Licence") is needed for marriages in places that are not
licensed for marriages amongst which are ... (wait for it) ...
Westminster Abbey and St. Paul's Cathedral.
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If
you see a church notice board where the Vicar is listed as a 'Surrogate
for Marriages' it means that he can marry a couple without banns if
they declare that they are free to marry on very short notice. Quite a
few 'Surrogates' were created during WW2 to cope with the man being sent
abroad at short notice and wanting to marry his fiance before he went.
The 'Surrogate' means that he can act in this matter as if he was the
Bishop (or is it Archbishop?) who can give permission for marriage
without banns. I think there is a higher fee though so it isn't
something to be done thoughtlessly.
Yep.
It
used to be a substantially higher fee for a "Common Licence" (Bishop's
Licence) that was sometimes waived for participants in "the recent
unpleasantness". Nowadays, it's not much different from two sets of
banns; although it is quicker.
Archbishop's licence (yer actual
"Special Licence") is needed for marriages in places that are not
licensed for marriages amongst which are ... (wait for it) ...
Westminster Abbey and St. Paul's Cathedral.
So that's why royal weddings are so expensive! ;D
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If
you see a church notice board where the Vicar is listed as a 'Surrogate
for Marriages' it means that he can marry a couple without banns if
they declare that they are free to marry on very short notice. Quite a
few 'Surrogates' were created during WW2 to cope with the man being sent
abroad at short notice and wanting to marry his fiance before he went.
The 'Surrogate' means that he can act in this matter as if he was the
Bishop (or is it Archbishop?) who can give permission for marriage
without banns. I think there is a higher fee though so it isn't
something to be done thoughtlessly.
Yep.
It
used to be a substantially higher fee for a "Common Licence" (Bishop's
Licence) that was sometimes waived for participants in "the recent
unpleasantness". Nowadays, it's not much different from two sets of
banns; although it is quicker.
Archbishop's licence (yer actual
"Special Licence") is needed for marriages in places that are not
licensed for marriages amongst which are ... (wait for it) ...
Westminster Abbey and St. Paul's Cathedral.
So that's why royal weddings are so expensive! ;D
Now that kind of exclusivity sounds very Royal - only those with the best connections can get in! ;D
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Morning all!
just on that last note
"Archbishop's licence
(yer actual "Special Licence") is needed for marriages in places that
are not licensed for marriages amongst which are ... (wait for it) ...
Westminster Abbey and St. Paul's Cathedral."
You have to remember tha
the Abbey is a 'peculiar' and answers directly to the Queen - so all
they had to do was ask Granny to the wedding and she probably fixed it
for free. Hope they gave her an extra slice of cake to share round
the corgis as a thanks... ;D ;D
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Fascinating/impressive amount of knowledge contained in the OW community ;D
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Morning all!
just on that last note
"Archbishop's
licence (yer actual "Special Licence") is needed for marriages in
places that are not licensed for marriages amongst which are ... (wait
for it) ... Westminster Abbey and St. Paul's Cathedral."
You have to
remember tha the Abbey is a 'peculiar' and answers directly to the Queen
- so all they had to do was ask Granny to the wedding and she probably
fixed it for free. Hope they gave her an extra slice of cake to
share round the corgis as a thanks... ;D ;D
Probably a whole cake just for the corgis!
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http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44882/ADM%2053-44882-015_0.jpg
Last
entry: 49 sheep landed on Island (the Island he's been logging about
for a week now, but I'm unable to identify it because hey, who logs
locations anyway), and I'll just imagine the sheep are there to help out
with Ava's Mystery Mushroom Invasion.
That's what you get from not giving me anything to work with logkeeper, I'll start making things up! :)
...on a more serious note, does this mean they had the 49 sheep with them the whole time?
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I have no idea - the 49 sheep just appeared from nowhere!
::) Some might point out the proximity of the eating of the
mushrooms to the appearance of the sheep ::) ;D. The only
log entry about food that I saw was, I think, in July and it said 160lb
bread - just out of the blue - all on its own. ::) ;D
But
watch out - come early September she's on the move...and THAT worries
me in no small way - as I just mentioned to Janet so many ships we've
worked to identify simply never made it as far as 1918 thanks to the
u-boats. Gulp! :o
Still - we're only 94% complete - so there's plenty to come. ;D
Ava :D
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Are you sure you guys are not eating MAGIC mushrooms?
I
have no idea - the 49 sheep just appeared from nowhere!
::) Some might point out the proximity of the eating of the
mushrooms to the appearance of the sheep ::) ;D. The only
log entry about food that I saw was, I think, in July and it said 160lb
bread - just out of the blue - all on its own. ::) ;D
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Are you sure you guys are not eating MAGIC mushrooms?
I
have no idea - the 49 sheep just appeared from nowhere!
::) Some might point out the proximity of the eating of the
mushrooms to the appearance of the sheep ::) ;D. The only
log entry about food that I saw was, I think, in July and it said 160lb
bread - just out of the blue - all on its own. ::) ;D
In no way sure! :-X
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I'm from Amsterdam, I should be used to them by now... ;)
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;) ;) ;D ;D
Whoa! check the clock - :'( - time to darken ship
Goodnight all! :-*
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Hi Karijn,
Quick update: Sept 19th is a fine day in the logs -
mentions 160lb bread and that SS Tiverdale arrived with 50 sheep (and
the mail). That's a lot of mutton sandwiches.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44883/ADM%2053-44883-012_1.jpg
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I'm way into october and appearantly somehow skipped all the
interesting days of sheep and drunken engineers. But onward we go!
;D
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http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44882/ADM%2053-44882-015_0.jpg
Last
entry: 49 sheep landed on Island (the Island he's been logging about
for a week now, but I'm unable to identify it because hey, who logs
locations anyway), and I'll just imagine the sheep are there to help out
with Ava's Mystery Mushroom Invasion.
That's what you get from not giving me anything to work with logkeeper, I'll start making things up! :)
...on a more serious note, does this mean they had the 49 sheep with them the whole time?
The way I read that is that the "Ocean Monarch" could have bought the sheep, but it is only a guess.
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That is very possible. Can't believe I didn't see that :D
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USS Bear
Made preparations for coming out of dry dock, but
when dock was half filled with water on account of list of Ship to port
shut off the water and began taking in Coal as ballast.
Received 26 tons Welsh Coal :o
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Received 26 tons Welsh Coal :o
Very tasteful people the Americans - able to choose the very best ;) ;) ;D
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Longest Wind Direction?
WNW to WbyN
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Rodgers/Rodgers_1881/b001of010_0022_0.jpg
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Longest Wind Direction?
WNW to WbyN
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Rodgers/Rodgers_1881/b001of010_0022_0.jpg
Must be! 8)
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It may be the longest written direction and it is also probably the smallest wind change direction noted, approx 11 degrees.
Well picked by the watch keeper.
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USRC Corwin, 25 June 1881
The native taken on board at St.
Lawrence Bay jumped overboard. Got boat down and rescued him. Upon
stripping him it was found that he had stabbed himself in the left
breast before jumping overboard. Evidently an attempt to commit suicide.
Ship's surgeon rendered necessary Medical assistance and made native as
comfortable as possible.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Corwin/Corwin_1881/pics2%20287_1.jpg
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It's not one of our boats - but here be a tale of arctic daring-do involving the Fram.
It's a cracker....
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2009/01/nansen/sides-text/1
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They bred them tough in those days - I wonder what his wife said when he arrived home.
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Well - very tempting to think of a very cross wife ('your dinner's
in the dog'). However, it says in the story that they were madly in love
and wrote to each other despite the situation...he turned back from the
Pole because he promised her he'd get back alive. Awwwwww :-* :-*
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Seems the USS Bear has been in a bit of a scrape:
"Commanding
officer examined four foot with water glass, and the sea giving
excellent view of the damages, found it extended only 15 inches up the
stern and 10 feet along the keel. Ship drawing 16' 6" and damages not
beginning to show till 15' depth way reached."
Anybody know what
happened to her? Also, what does "four foot" mean in this context? The
only meaning for that phrase is the railway one, and apparently that's
all that Google knows!
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can you provide a link?
Posting Links and Images (A Guide) (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1073.msg10001#msg10001)
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Seems the USS Bear has been in a bit of a scrape:
"Commanding
officer examined four foot with water glass, and the sea giving
excellent view of the damages, found it extended only 15 inches up the
stern and 10 feet along the keel. Ship drawing 16' 6" and damages not
beginning to show till 15' depth way reached."
Anybody know what
happened to her? Also, what does "four foot" mean in this context? The
only meaning for that phrase is the railway one, and apparently that's
all that Google knows!
Could
that be 'fore foot' which would be the front edge of the keel??!!
;) Please see Randi's note and send us a link.
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Meridian to 4pm:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Bear/BEAR_001_jpgs/b001of002_0086_1.jpg
It may be "fore foot", though I wouldn't want to call it either way
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I think it is Fore Foot.
I seem to remember it was replaced in dry dock when they got back.
Don't worry you don't sink on the way back. ;D
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I also think it is fore - look at the 'e' in damages in the last line of that section.
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I think definitely FORE - look at 'fore peak' in the previous section. :D
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Some riveting footage from the Coast Guard helicopter that rescued the crew from the BOUNTY.
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=UDlc1slA8PA&vq=medium
The
'altitude' call is the radar altimeter warning the pilot he's too low -
with the waves at 20+feet he's trying to hover at 50 and then the
wave comes and he's 'too low' -- he chose to ignore it!
P.I.W. call is Person In Water.
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Here is a report on NPR that doesn't seem so good:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/11/02/164171349/coast-guard-probing-tall-ships-sinking-captain-had-spoken-about-hurricanes?sc=ipad&f=1001
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Even my landlubber brain found what they put on their facebook to be
stupidly dangerous, when they could have sailed due south far out to
sea, not turning west until they got to Florida. But if even if
the captain gets blamed for that drowning, what can they do about him
now?
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Very dramatic. What a miserable inquest that's going to be, truly awful.
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I believe there's 'WRONG' and then there's 'DEAD WRONG!' :'(
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See 3 am - loverly weather...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4788_0.jpg :P
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Nice - everything set but the main topmast staysail (or are you talking about the handwriting)?
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No it was the 'ocdqrl' ..and no wonder they'd taken in the
sails for that lot! You suddenly put yourself in the boat and
wonder what it was like trying to lug up a mass of rain sodden fabric.
Haaaaaard work. :P :P :P
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"Calm most part of day. foffy weather and very thick atmosphere"
I am really looking forward to being able to edit ALL my Yukon pages - I just discovered this in my drop-down list :-[
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I am really looking forward to being able to edit ALL my Yukon pages - I just discovered this in my drop-down list :-[
Same
here, for several other words and little details I've discovered while
transcribing... this functionality is still in the "todo list", isn't
it?
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The moderators are working on it.
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Andes, 1st June 1916, Birkenhead:
5.20pm: Lost overboard by
accident whilst taking on stores: 3 gallons rum @3/11 11 (shillings) 9
(pence); 1 sack flour (140 lbs) @ 23/9 1 (pound) 3 (shillings) 9
(pence). Total 1 (pound) 15 (shillings) 6 (pence)
I'm fascinated by how much more expensive the flour was than the rum.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33654/ADM53-33654-246_1.jpg
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;D Flour weighs more ;D
Water weighs 8 pounds to the gallon and run is just a bit denser (1.03) so the rum would only weigh about 32 pounds! ;)
I'd feel worse about the rum than the flour!!! :D
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The rum weighed approx. 24 lbs., the sack weighed 140 lbs.
I found this at The National Archives for converting old money into 2005 decimal pounds (money):
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/currency/results.asp#mid
?51.13 for the flour, or ?0.37/lb (weight)
?25.30 for the rum, or ?1.05/lb (weight)
Pound for pound, the rum is 3 times as expensive. Which probably equals its value in the eyes of the crew. ;)
I just saw Dean's post; same idea, but 3 gallons weighs a bit more than 24 pounds (weight)
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I did wonder whether the flour had gone overboard as they tried to save the rum! ;D
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SORRY - bad Math ::) - 8 pounds and THREE gallons so 8x3=24.
Got 'lost' in the pounds to gallons to litres to density to........... ::)
thanks for the save Janet!! ;D
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Couple of bad days on board Andes :(
9th December 1917:
Liverpool
Lat 53.4, Long -3.0
9am: 1 Capt RMLI & RMLI Ratings joined ship taking passage
11.20am: Paymaster joined ship for passage
10am: Ship on mud. Soundings amidships starboard side 22 ft
1.30pm: Hands employed trying to get ship off mud & taking in stores. Dock water 13 inches down
3.30pm: 23 Marines joined ship taking passage. Received 6 bags of mail for transmission.
6.45pm: 160 Ratings joined for passage. 1 Rating placed under arrest.
9pm: 4 Ratings placed under arrrest. 1 Rating Released
2 on sick list
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33658/C4-ADM53-33658-007_1.jpg
10th December 1917:
Liverpool
Lat 53.4, Long -3.0
5.25am: Cast off West Float assisted by 3 tugs
When
ship slid off mud bank stern came on to quay damaging starboard
propellor, 2 tugs & propellors working to cant stern. Impossible to
avoid dropping on quay. Propellor was stopped at time of accident.
7am: Secured Alfred Basin
9.50am: Mid Brown RNR joined ship
2.30pm: Diver to examine propeller. 1 blade 18 inches off tip. 1 other bent & chipped.
3 on sick list
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33658/C4-ADM53-33658-008_0.jpg
It
must have especially embarassing to have all these new people arriving
on board with the ship stuck on the mud; and then it sounds as though
some of the newly arrived ratings got arrested straightaway (or perhaps
the existing ones were revolting?). And then doing more damage in
getting off the mud makes it even worse.
And looking ahead - I've
been doing my usual preliminary trawl through the log getting rid of
duplications and so on - she spends Christmas in Murmansk, with rather a
lot of crew ill, and where other ships keep running into them and
causing damage. Not a good end to the year!
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Having 200-some extra bodies on board along with a lot of fresh
supplies cannot have helped the mudbank problem. Did everyone have
to stay on board while they replaced the propeller?
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;D
That is exactly what I was thinking - puts a different light on future 'accidents' if the same person is in charge ::)
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Having
200-some extra bodies on board along with a lot of fresh supplies
cannot have helped the mudbank problem. Did everyone have to stay
on board while they replaced the propeller?
You
get all those 'extra' people on the bow and it 'lifts' the stern up so
they can fix the Props!! ::) It's called 'ballast!' ;)
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That's a point. :)
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Everyone meets their mudbank sooner or later. Though I've been told
if you are in command of a landing ship (LST) logging it as a 'practice
landing' may be better for the career (not applicable to aircraft
carriers one would suppose).
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;D ;D ;D
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I fear that with the lack of precipitation this winter many of us
are going to be 'meeting the mudbanks' when the boats go back in the
spring! :-[
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Having
200-some extra bodies on board along with a lot of fresh supplies
cannot have helped the mudbank problem. Did everyone have to stay
on board while they replaced the propeller?
Tell you later today - this is where I stopped last night ....
Just got back to the log - and the following day they've set off for Murmansk with their battered propeller, and all the extra bodies. Either they were in a hurry, or they felt it wouldn't be a problem.
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Speaking of mudbanks:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/20/world/asia/philippines-us-navy-ship-stuck/index.html
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Like you said, it does happen. But mudbanks reconstruct
themselves much faster the living reefs do. Always definitely
embarrassing.
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11th October 1881 9pm - Wind force 11 :o :o (highest wind I've ever recorded)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Rodgers/Rodgers_1881/b001of010_0139_0.jpg
Here's what it did: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Rodgers/Rodgers_1881/b001of010_0139_1.jpg
Flying jib was washed from boom - carried to masthead + was blown to pieces.
Ship
laboring greatly - during second hour deck load of lumber fetched away
cut lashings and attempted to launch it overboard, to relieve lee rail,
but it jammed and only a small portion was lost. The gale moderating
somewhat and the ship righting herself made no further attempt to rid
her of deck load - Set main trysail in lieu of losing M. Topsail.
Shot one of the dogs which had been jammed when lumber broke adrift.
Moderating greatly after 11pm.
Phew! I'm exhausted just after transcribing it!
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That is truly wicked weather. I'm sorry for the dog.
I
found an update on the modern USN minesweeper aground on a reef in the
Philippines - they've removed all the fuel, to avoid leaks, and have 2
crane ships arriving next Friday to lift her entirely off the reef.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2013/01/26/Fuel-removed-from-grounded-minesweeper/UPI-69351359238975/
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Ugh, I hate loose deck loads.
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Just had a bad accident on USCGS Pioneer:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%204%20-%20January-March,%201923/IMG_8087_0.jpg
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OUCH. Hope they at least had some of the traditional anaesthetic to hand and the ships weren't dry.
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Doesn't sound good...that could be an ex-finger soon. Yuk!
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Was his name really Napoleon Christ? (Or do I need to head for the mondegreens thread?)
And I do hope the pun at the end of the entry was unintentional!
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;D ;D ;D I thought it was very punny...liked it.
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Yes, the name is accurate, but he almost certainly shortened it when
he immigrated. According to the San Francisco 1930 US Census, he
is a "sea marine" born in Greece with a wife born in Guatemala.
Very American. :)
I'm glad to see he was still a mariner after the accident.
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Awwwwww -bless! :-*
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Not a good day for John(s)
John J. McGuinness (lds), John W. Smyth (1ca). John Lonngan (1CT) and John Hackett (1CF).
Transfered to Naval Hospital, Chelsea, Mass and accounts, etc, sent to USRS Wabash.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol013of040/vol013of040_122_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol013of040/vol013of040_122_1.jpg)
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The (Big) Boys on Devonshire were bad ::)
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-39754/ADM 53-39754-004_1.jpg)
Captain
R.L. del Strother Royal Marines Light Infantry is hereby logged in that
he did not settle his mess debts to the wardroom mess, for the months
of January, February or March 1917 in accordance with King?s Rules and
Admiralty Instructions Article 1609 Clauses 1 & 2, and with
reference to Article 847 Clause 1. [Ralph Lyndhurst
del Strother]
The Accountant Officer Staff Paymaster R.G.
Robinson is hereby logged in that he has not kept in a constantly
complete condition the ship?s Ledgers, in accordance with King?s Rules
and Admiralty Instructions Article 1562, paragraph 3. [Lieutenant
Commander Roland George Robinson]
:(
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Naughty, naughty, naughty! :o :o :o I wonder who snitched? ;D
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To anyone who knows their classical mythology (which was probably a
far higher proportion in 1917 than now) this entry from Rinaldo's log
sounds distinctly sinister:
11 January 1917
Lindi
Lat -10.0, Long 39.7
6.45pm: Styx arrived & anchored
11.00pm: Boats transporting troops across river
7 on sick list
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57895/ADM%2053-57895-009_0.jpg
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:o Very sinister.
I like these entries from Patuca, 25 July 1915.
12.03am: Challenged HMS Teutonic
4.00am: Chasing
5.20am: Nothing doing
5.21am: Resumed patrol
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I'll second that :o and ;D for 'Nothing doing'
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I did some stuff on Patuca and I think I remember that one - lovely and laconic!
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To
anyone who knows their classical mythology (which was probably a far
higher proportion in 1917 than now) this entry from Rinaldo's log sounds
distinctly sinister:
11 January 1917
Lindi
Lat -10.0, Long 39.7
6.45pm: Styx arrived & anchored
11.00pm: Boats transporting troops across river
7 on sick list
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57895/ADM%2053-57895-009_0.jpg
Love it - a cracker... ;D
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To
anyone who knows their classical mythology (which was probably a far
higher proportion in 1917 than now) this entry from Rinaldo's log sounds
distinctly sinister:
11 January 1917
Lindi
Lat -10.0, Long 39.7
6.45pm: Styx arrived & anchored
11.00pm: Boats transporting troops across river
7 on sick list
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57895/ADM%2053-57895-009_0.jpg
Love it - a cracker... ;D
That one is special. 8)
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I am going to 'Flix in the Stix'. (Movies in the fields) on Saturday. That's as close as I can get. ;D
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I'm working on Jamestown 1866. In transit from San Francisco
to Panama, so far have had what sounds like a significant leak (pumps
attended to regularly every hour), lost 3 masts in a squall, and now
leaks in 2 water tanks found! So far no injuries, but one sailor
confined on bread and water for disobeying orders...
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I'm
working on Jamestown 1866. In transit from San Francisco to
Panama, so far have had what sounds like a significant leak (pumps
attended to regularly every hour), lost 3 masts in a squall, and now
leaks in 2 water tanks found! So far no injuries, but one sailor
confined on bread and water for disobeying orders...
Oh, and it all started with 2 of the thermometers not working (erratic swings).
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That was not a fun voyage!! Makes you wonder how long it's been since she had an overhaul.
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I am also on the same funny journey and I would like to know what is "Pumps attended every hour" ?
See often in: USS Jamestown (1866) - vol019of067_064_1 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol019of067/vol019of067_064_1.jpg)
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They are leaking, and having to pump out the bilge every hour to keep the hull dry.
Definition of bilge (n)
bing.com ? Bing Dictionary
bilge [ bilj ]
- lower part of boat: the part of a boat below the water where the sides curve inward to the keel
- inside of lower part of boat: the area inside the bottom of a boat, beneath the lowest floorboards
- dirty water in boat bottom: dirty water that collects inside the bottom of a boat
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I suppose it was manual pump on a Sloop...
Poor sailors, like our 'Shadock' (http://www.archimedes-lab.org/shadoks/shadoks.html#english)
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;D
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The shadocks are fun jpiquard! ;D ;D
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Thetis:
Received the following stores in Equipment Dept. ... 36 pears hooks and eyes ...
Peachy ::)
I probably shouldn't make jokes. He also got 48 hand grenades.
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:-X :-X :-X ;D
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Thetis
Rec in Equip Dept 20 sets hand + leg irons
Don't mess with me! ;D
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:o :o :o
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Saw something about a tongue injury on the Pioneer:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2019%20-%20October-December,%201926/IMG_9620_0.jpg
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Intruiging! :o
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Looks like it was a pretty violent breakfast :o
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Received in Construction the following stores :- 2 Kegs French
Yellow. 5 Kegs White Paint, 1 tin Venetian Red Paint, 1 tin Burnt Umber,
3 tins Yellow Ochre, 1 tin Italian Burnt Sienna 3 tins Chrome Green, 3
tins, English Vermilian, 2 tins Italian Raw Sienna, 2 tins Ultramarine
Blue, 1 tin Raw Umber, 1 tin Patent Dryers, 2 tins Indian Red.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol004of024/vol004_067_1.jpg
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You don't like the colours or their associations with countries?
Venetian Red sounds appropriate; Indian Red would not pass today's
standards. Not sure about French Yellow :D
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They sound as if they just received a whole bunch of Crayola crayons. ;D
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You
don't like the colours or their associations with countries? Venetian
Red sounds appropriate; Indian Red would not pass today's standards. Not
sure about French Yellow :D
Not even in the context of "from India"?
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You
don't like the colours or their associations with countries? Venetian
Red sounds appropriate; Indian Red would not pass today's standards. Not
sure about French Yellow :D
I just wonder what they are going to do with all those fancy colors. Art classes?
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You
don't like the colours or their associations with countries? Venetian
Red sounds appropriate; Indian Red would not pass today's standards. Not
sure about French Yellow :D
I just wonder what they are going to do with all those fancy colors. Art classes?
Yes, that's going to be quite some dazzle camouflage with that lot!
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Jackson Pollak as crew (or Captain??!!) ::)
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HMS Edinburgh Castle 25th December 1914
6.30 Guns crews to coffee
Plenty
of references to tea in the logs but that is the first time I've
noticed coffee mentioned. Maybe it is a special christmas treat.
And a reference to coffee on the Changuinola, too (30 June 1915):
4.00 to 4.30am: Coalmen at Coffee
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37553/ADM%2053-37553-075_0.jpg
I don't remember coming across references to coffee in the logs before, either.
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No, I don't think I've seen references to coffee breaks either - and
as a confirmed non tea drinker and coffee addict, I think I would have
noticed.
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This one is present tense. A near earth asteroid just skimmed
past us tonight, with almost no notice - it wasn't discovered until
yesterday (June 6th). Yikes!!
video: http://www.virtualtelescope.eu/webtv/
NASA article: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/asteroidwatch/newsfeatures.cfm?release=2013-195
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WOW Janet that was close.
Here something else:
Somebody must have been quite thirsty:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67590/ADM%2053-67590-015_0.jpg
4.50
pm: Cask of spirit No 46-18-4, opened on receipt on board and found to
contain 12 gallons 4 pints. Deficiency 6 gallons 3 pints.
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Thirsty was in the ships' chandler's shop - that was a inspect-before-receiving opening. Busted!! >:(
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Wow - what a chat page - Jackson Pollack paint jobs, to entertain
the coalmen taking coffee? - or taking something stronger provided
by the chandler's boy, the sort of thing to steady your nerves as the
asteroids sail past?
8) 8)
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4893_1.jpg end of day entry:
If the Patterson's crew filled the whaler and gig with fresh water should they not have sunk? ;)
Of
course they used barrels - I'm just joking. But they did fill up with
750 gallons of water that way - that's a lot of hauling and
lugging :o ;)
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Figure 50 gal (230L) barrels -- that would be about 25 barrels. At 8
lbs per gallon (3.7kg) that would be about 6000 lbs or 2700kg or 3
tonnes total. Each barrel would weigh about 400 lbs (320kg)!
Lots of work!! ::)
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It's no good - I can't take the pressure any more... :o :o :o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4895_0.jpg
3pm
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Well, I've heard of highs!!
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They must have stood on a ladder to read that one ;)
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Clearly one of those days:
"Crew engaged in rattling down
lower rigging. The times of confinement of P.J.O Brice 13 C.A.I P Dixney
13 C.A.I and Chas ~ 13 C.A.I having expired they were released by order
of the Commander. By order of the Commander Chas. Dariqua 12 C.A.I was
placed in solitary confinement for three days on bread and water for
disobedience of the orders of a petty offider. A Barron 13 C.A.I was
confined in double irons for 7 days for insolence to a petty officer."
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol056of067/vol056of067_036_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol056of067/vol056of067_036_1.jpg)
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Welcome back Danny252!
It's a long time since we heard from you!
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And knowing me, I'll disappear for another 6 months soon!
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Better not!
We really need reliable transcribers!
;D
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You're welcome in the forum any time, Danny252. Check our reference posts (Library: Reference Shelf
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=26.0)) once and a while if
you are transcribing - you don't have to sign in to read. :)
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2 officers of HMS Attentive ( :P) conspiring to really annoy the Vice Admiral Dover Patrol.
Mr
Charles H Coles, Gunner of HMS Attentive for T.B. No 15 ordered to be
logged by Vice Admiral Dover Patrol for carelessness as officer of the
watch which resulted in the grounding of that vessel on this date.
Lieut.
Jack S. Hoffman HMS Attentive for HMS P21 in command incurred the
severe displeasure of the Vice Admiral Dover Patrol for carelessly
handling HMS P21 this date (9 Aug) [at first glance I read the '9 Aug' as Glug!]
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34428/0009_1.jpg
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What were they doing to be so careless!
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Concord log 13 July
"Yorktown" signalled, "have you any alcohol to spare" "Concord" replied "No alcohol to spare"
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Nasty situation, indeed :o
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Well I say - after the unthinking kindness of chocolate sharing that Kathy gave us, this is a bit if a rum do! ;)
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We have a big tea and coffee session at work on Friday
mornings...this week the building is like the Mary Celeste..and I
checked some info on that i.e. tah tthe last meal was tea and toast. I
noticed a link to other ghost ships and found this...intriguing!
8)
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The fate of the SS Baychimo is one of the strangest ghost ship tales on record. It sailed the seas -- unmanned -- for 38 years!
Built
in Sweden in 1911, the stream ship was first christened as the
?ngermanelfven for a German shipping company and served as a trading
vessel between Hamburg and Germany until the advent of World War I.
After the war the ship was handed over to Great Britain for war
reparations and was renamed Baychimo.
In October, 1931, with a
shipload of furs, the Baychimo got stuck in ice pack near the town of
Barrow, Alaska. The crew left the ship for Barrow to wait until the ship
was free enough from the ice to resume its route. When the crew
returned, however, the ship had already broken free and floated away. On
the 15th of October, it became trapped in the ice again. Some of the
crew decided to wait in the area until they could rescue the ship, but
during a blizzard on November 24, the Baychimo disappeared.
At
first the owners believed the ship must have sunk in the storm, but a
native seal hunter reported seeing it about 45 miles away from where it
had last got stuck in the ice. The crew found the ship, removed what
furs they could, and abandoned the ship, believing that it was not sound
enough to survive the winter.
But the SS Baychimo did survive.
Over the next several decades the ship was seen and even boarded by
other ships? crews who found it adrift. Each time, however, they were
not able to tow the cursed ship to harbor or were forced away by bad
weather. Sightings include:
1932 ? spotted by a dog sledder on his way to Nome, Alaska
1933 ? boarded by some Inuit (Eskimos) who were trapped aboard by a storm for 10 days
1934 ? boarded by the crew of an exploring schooner, who had to let it go
1939 ? boarded by Captain Hugh Polson, who also had to abandon it because of ice build up
1962 ? seen adrift in the Beaufort Sea by Inuit
1969 ? found once again frozen in ice pack ? the last sighting of the Baychimo
Because
it has not been seen since 1969, it is assumed that the Baychimo has
finally sunk, although no wreckage of it has ever been found. Who knows?
The phantom ship might again one day sail out of the cold mist of the
Arctic waters.
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I wonder if the owners ever got their insurance payment: "Sorry, no proof of wreckage, no money" ;D
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Does the term 'Flying Dutchman' ring a bell??!! :P
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Did any of the later sighters take photos? I'd think by the 50s they would have to, just to be believed.
I went looking; these are the picture taken for the insurance company. Both dated 1931. Can't find anything later.
(http://omnivorenz.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/baychimo-11.png?w=490)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Baychimo.jpg/640px-Baychimo.jpg)
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There are some reports of sightings in the Danish Met Institute
'State of Ice in the Arctic Seas' in the 1930s. It does rather strain
credibility to think that ship could survive into the 60's without being
crushed like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Chelyuskin or ejected into
the Atlantic via the transpolar drift, or simply sinking from
inevitable leaks.
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Worse things happen
at on the sea - even in port - you are a crew of sleepy heads and you worry about missing the tide:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Yukon/Book%208/IMG_4739_0.jpg
USS Yaaaaawnkon? Let's hope their new alarm clock had no snooze button.... :-\ ;) :D
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Worse things happen at on the sea - even in port - you are a crew of sleepy heads and you worry about missing the tide:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Yukon/Book%208/IMG_4739_0.jpg
USS Yaaaaawnkon? Let's hope their new alarm clock had no snooze button.... :-\ ;) :D
;D
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Excitement on Jamestown http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_116_1.jpg
Surveyed condemned and hove overboard a Barrel of Beans.
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That'll teach the beans. They can count their lucky stars they weren't flogged ;D
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That'll teach the beans. They can count their lucky stars they weren't flogged ;D
;D ;D ;D
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Well, not quite at sea - but while I'm sure this entry made sense to the writer, it does read rather oddly now.
In
compliance with Commander-in-Chief?s memo 54 of 22nd December 1917
Carpenter JR Hindmarch RN was drunk in the train between Capetown and
Durban on 8 December 1917 whilst on passage to Minerva.
It does make it sound as though it was compulsory to be drunk ....
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49483/ADM%2053-49483-014_1.jpg
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I don't understand that at all. What are they talking about?
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I'm not entirely sure myself - obviously the hapless Hindmarch got
drunk on the train; I'm assuming the Commander-in-Chief's memo said
something along the lines of 'record such miscreants in your log' - but
it certainly isn't clear. Another case for the Tardis! (and I
couldn't even work out what I was supposed to be doing on the Google
doodle ....)
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Don't feel bad, Helen. By the time I figured how to make it work,
the time was so high I figured I had the record for STUPID cornered!!!
::)
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I don't know how they made it but H.M.S. Orvieto managed to collide with two ships within one hour.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53899/ADM%2053-53899-007_1.jpg
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Sounds like they were in a white out - snow so thick you can't see
very far. Maybe maneuvering in snow should be treated like fog?
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Joseph Johns (Sea) and Thomas Smith (OS) confined in single irons, for having clothes in their possession not their own.
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::) Too bad the log doesn't say whose clothes they are!
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Released John Williams (Ship Cook) from confinement per order Ex. Officer.
Dinner time?
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;D ;D ;D
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Ark Royal:
Somebody got into the grog....... :o
(https://s3.amazonaws.com:443/oldweather/ADM53-34102/0058_1.jpg)
8:15pm: 1 rating belonging to Dockyard brought aboard drunk and put in Sick Bay
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Ark Royal:
Somebody got into the grog....... :o
(https://s3.amazonaws.com:443/oldweather/ADM53-34102/0058_1.jpg)
8:15pm: 1 rating belonging to Dockyard brought aboard drunk and put in Sick Bay
Well,
I don't know if that's a 'worse thing' --- when I was brought aboard
the HMS Ambuscade drunk I was put in the engineer's lounge and made
drunker (there were beer taps coming out of the bulkheads!).
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:o ;D
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Trust the engineer to know how to rig illegal beer taps!!! ;D
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Haha! Good one!
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Happy New Year!
(Hic)
Jamestown (1879)
January 1, 1880
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol042of040/vol042of067_058_1.jpg
January 2, 1880
January 3, 1880
January 4, 1880
January 5, 1880 - corrected)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol042of040/vol042of067_062_1.jpg
January 6, 1879
January 7, 1879
January 8, 1879
January 9, 1879
January 10, 1879
January 11, 1879
January 12, 1879
January 13, 1880 - corrected
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol042of040/vol042of067_070_1.jpg
January 14, 1880
January 15, 1879
January 16, 1880
January 17, 1880
January 18, 1880
January 19, 1880
January 20, 1880
January 21, 1879
January 22, 1880
January 23, 1880
January 24, 1880
January 25, 1880
January 26, 1880
January 27, 1879
January 28, 1880
January 29, 1880
January 30, 1879
January 31, 1880
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol042of040/vol042of067_088_1.jpg
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Someone really doesn't want to do another year on that ship!! :D
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On Cardiff, which I'm editing, they'd been based at Rosyth for
months, and finally after the war ended made off to the Baltic - where
it's very cruel of them to have place names beginning with 'R'.
The number of times 'Rosyth' was crossed out and 'Revel' or 'Riga'
written in was large! And then they left the Baltic and went back
to ..... Rosyth! Not for long though - now in Portsmouth, which
seems to have been easier to get the hang of.
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Received on board in Paymaster's Department 700 gallons fresh water.
I know perfectly well what they mean, but I have this vision of a flooded Paymaster's Department ;)
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;D ;D ;D
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But we just laundered the money! ::) We'll pay you when it dries?! ;)
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But we just laundered the money! ::) We'll pay you when it dries?! ;)
Or pay them in quarters? ;D
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;D
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4 July 1887
At sunrise hoisted ensign at peak in honor of the day.
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When I first saw that, I thought it meant 'ensign' as in 'person',
and I got this mental image of them celebrating Independence Day through
human sacrifice! :o
My brain is such an idiot sometimes.
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I have the same very literal mind. ;D
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Longest place name?
At Sea, bound from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, to Montevideo, Uruguay, + At Anchor off Flores Island.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol004of024/vol004_181_0.jpg
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When
I first saw that, I thought it meant 'ensign' as in 'person', and I got
this mental image of them celebrating Independence Day through human
sacrifice! :o
My brain is such an idiot sometimes.
I
entered "ensign" as a rank in a remark, which consequently made no
sense at all. Then Randi told me it also meant 'flag'. I
probably would have flipped if I'd seen this remark first!
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Longest place name?
At Sea, bound from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, to Montevideo, Uruguay, + At Anchor off Flores Island.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol004of024/vol004_181_0.jpg
The
Pioneer's log keepers tend to be very detailed when she's in port:
"Alongside Standard Gypsum Co. Wharf, Long Beach, California"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2048%20-%20January-March,%201934/IMG_0485_0.jpg
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At 7 shewed our coulors to the Barque on the lee beam which shewed sweedish coulors _
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See attachment for what I think of that.
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;D I remember that comment, Randi!
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;D
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It was odd because most of the spelling in that log is correct (by modern standards).
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Yes! As long as it's legible....
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Happy New Year!
Jamestown (1844)
Jan. 1, 1848: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_091_0.jpg
At
9 Called all hands to witness punishment and punished the following men
for drunkenness. with 12 lashes with the Cats each. Viz. James Jones,
Joseph Sawyer, Lewis Smith, Albert Kermier, Charles Peckham
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:o :o :o
Happy New Year indeed! Crazy....
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From Pioneer, 17/7/1925:
"Jupiter" was observed for Atzimuil at 12:46 (150 H Mer. time) = 10h.45m.00s G.M.T. Observed Atzibuil = 168 o psc.
This just struck me as kinda cool - :P
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I believe the word you're looking for is "Azimuth" ;)
(In this case, it has the same meaning as "compass bearing")
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I know - I just typed what I saw ;D :o
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The Albatross' logkeeper got a bit dizzy
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol037of055/vol037of055_088_1.jpg):
Light airs to gentle breezes from S'd and E'd and S'd and W'd.
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Did the Albatross
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol038of055/vol038of055_051_1.jpg)
have a cook who couldn't cook?
Jim
Lion (Cab. Ck.) was this day discharged from this vessel and the US
Naval Service by reason of being undesirable as cabin cook.
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'Undesirable' sounds potentially worse than just being a bad cook;
I've seen various crew discharged for 'inaptitude' which would be more
appropriate if he just cooked badly. Undesirable sounds as though
he may have had unsavoury habits .... :o
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...rather than unsavory cooking ;D
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The odd thing is that he isn't one of the regular "bad boys", some
of whom seem to upset the officers every other week! I wonder what he
could've done to be kicked off without prior mention?
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The cook in Chaucer's Canterbury Tales had a running sore on his leg. That's unsavory ;D
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Albatross, 22/02/1901 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol038of055/vol038of055_057_1.jpg)
News was received of the loss of the PM SS Rio de Janeiro which ran on Mile Rock in the early morning whilst entering port.
In
the early morning of the 22nd of February, 1901, the SS City of Rio de
Janeiro attempted to enter San Francisco Bay at 4am, having waited since
the evening for a break in the thick fog that SF is famous for. This
turned out to be only temporary, as fog closed in again quickly, but the
captain and local pilot decided to continue onwards, with many of the
passengers restless after a long ocean voyage from Hong Kong with the
arrival in San Francisco three days overdue.
Shortly afterwards,
the ship collided with the submerged Mile Rocks in the Golden Gate, and
began taking on water at an alarming rate. Due to the weather
conditions, this was not seen from the shore, and it was not until
approximately 7:30am that the alarm was sounded by the arrival of the
first lifeboat in San Francisco harbour - however, by the time that help
arrived, the ship had long since disappeared under the waves. Of the
210 on board, only 82 survived.
The San Francisco Call devoted
the majority of its edition on the 23rd of February
(http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=SFC19010223#) to the story,
interviews of the survivors, and obituaries of the deceased. Wikipedia
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_City_of_Rio_de_Janeiro) also has an
article. The Mile Rocks Light
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mile_Rocks_Light) was built in 1906.
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Sounds like a seriously needed lighthouse.
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Albatross, 17th March, 1901 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol038of055/vol038of055_081_1.jpg)
Half-masted colors on account of death of Gen Harrison.
The
Army posts in harbor fired half-hour guns throughout day and a salute
of 45 guns at sunset in honor of Ex-President Harrison.
It's
interesting to note how slowly the news travelled - Harrison is
recorded as passing away on the 13th, four days earlier. Edit: having
read about, it turns out his funeral was held on Sunday the 17th, which
explains why the events took place then.
(Apologies for continually bringing up tales of death and woe - I would bring happy news if there ever was any!)
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Truly, death is a part of life. And I like to celebrate the
lives of those who have died, so this isn't all "death and woe".
:)
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2 May 1888 Thetis
Ooops.
The 2nd launch in returning
to the ship fouled her smoke stack with the Jacob's ladder of the
swinging boom & tore it from the boiler.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol006of024/vol006_103_1.jpg
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Hi Kookaburra,
Second word seems "Launch" to me...
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Hi Kookaburra,
Second word seems "Launch" to me...
Yes - it meets the look and context. I will update the page. Thank you!
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;D
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On July 13th 1929, a crewman was discharged from the Pioneer for being 'incompatible':
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2030%20-%20July-September,%201929/IMG_0667_0.jpg
I know this refers to bad behavior, but that's not what crossed my mind when I first saw it:
"ERROR: John_Abbot.exe is not compatible with your operating system.
Please find a different seaman A.B. and install him instead."
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:D :D :D
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"ERROR: John_Abbot.exe is not compatible with your operating system.
Please find a different seaman A.B. and install him instead."
Nonetheless, that was effectively the problem, and no doubt what they did ;D
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(http://www.smileys4me.com/getsmiley.php?show=245)
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Nonetheless, that was effectively the problem, and no doubt what they did ;D
Yes, they did - the page says someone else got shipped.
P.S. Love that emoticon, Janet J! :D 8)
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Bad things happen in port too...
Perry 29/10/1905, Seattle Washington
This
day's watch was stood by Lieut JV Wild up to about 8:20 pm when
according to best information, he left the vessel in uniform informing
quartermaster that he was going up to the office (Moran Brothers) and
that he would be back in a few minutes. Quartermaster Mellick
inferred that he was going to telephone. He did not return at all,
and after going off watch at midnight Quartermaster Mellick went to the
office to enquire for Mr Wild. Watchman said no officer had
passed out the gate in uniform. These facts were reported to me
upon my arrival on board the morning of the 30th instant. CE
Johnston 1st Lieut.
Perry 30/10/1905, Seattle Washington (mid to 9 am)
No
line officer on board during this watch. Lieut JV Wild absent
since 8:20 last night, and alarm was felt that he might have fallen off
the dock. Upon return of Captain and Executive Officer
investigation was made and gear was prepared for dragging. CE
Johnston 1st Lieut.
Perry 30/10/1905, Seattle Washington (9am to 4pm)
Crew
employed dragging in vacinity searching for remain of Lieut JV
Wild. At 2:45 recovered body of Lieut Wild about 150 ft from gang
plank of ship in log basin on opposite side of wharf. Coroner was
notified and reviewed the remains about 3:15 after which they were
removed to the establishment of the Boney-Watson Co undertakers.
Examination revealed the fact that Lieut Wild struck his head in falling
and that death was undoubtedly accidental. Notified Captain JF
Wild USRCS, father of deceased and the department of the facts by wire.
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According to the Register of Washington Deaths, King County and family trees at Ancestry.com:
John V. Wild, born 1876, Revenue Cutter Service Officer
Father Capt. John F. Wild USRCS, Mother "Mary" Catherine Rollins
No spouse or children. He pre-deceased his father.
Buried at Saint Mary's City, Maryland, USA
Rest in Peace, John V. Wild
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=55445363&ref=acom
(http://image2.findagrave.com/photos250/photos/2012/204/55445363_134306149167.jpg)
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According to the Register of Washington Deaths, King County and family trees at Ancestry.com:
John V. Wild, born 1876, Revenue Cutter Service Officer
Father Capt. John F. Wild USRCS, Mother "Mary" Catherine Rollins
No spouse or children. He pre-deceased his father.
Buried at Saint Mary's City, Maryland, USA
Rest in Peace, John V. Wild
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=55445363&ref=acom
(http://image2.findagrave.com/photos250/photos/2012/204/55445363_134306149167.jpg)
Attachment is from http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/
The Seattle star., November 07, 1905, Night Edition, Page 4, Image 4
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more trouble on Perry Feb 13, 1906
About 2:00 Seaman B
Ivanger complained that S Iwamoto, Cook, had struck him with a hatchet,
inflicting a slight cut near left knee. Wound dressed by executive
officer. S Iwamoto, Cook, complained that Seaman Ivanger had
assaulted him and that he used hatchet in self defense. Treated
cook for contusion in neck. Apparent misunderstanding with divided
blame.
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Never make the mistake of thinking cooks are weak and unarmed.
The kitchen can be a very dangerous place to get insulting or violent
and only the cook knows reflexively where all the sharp edges are. :o
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Something new I just learned from OW: Rust-free paperclips apparently did not exist in the 1920s.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Unalga//Volumes/Seagate%20Backup%20Plus%20Drive/Arfon-JPEGS/RG26/UNALGA//b2575/b2575_023_1.jpg
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All metal paperclips (antique and modern) are made of galvanized low
carbon steel - low carbon because that kind of steel stays
flexible. The coating material varies, but it will always respond
to the electric current magnetizing the steel.
The zinc or
whatever coating applied during galvanization never rusts, but it is
very thin and can be scraped off through the friction of use. The
thickness of the coating always varies some between production lots -
the thinner the coating, the more likely there are microscopic places
that failed to coat, particularly where the paperclip wire is in contact
with itself.
Low carbon steel will always rust when exposed to
water, and the rust will eat into the steel areas under remaining
coating. Stainless steel (high carbon with enough chromium or
other metals included in the metal to resist rusting) is always hard and
rigid, impossible to bend like a paperclip, and the higher the carbon
content, the more rigid the steel gets. Also, salt water is much
more corrosive then fresh water. Once paperclips lose their
coating, they must be kept completely dry to remain useful.
[I worked for 2 years in a plating plant, a fascinating process.]
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8)
Something new I just learned from OW ;D
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Also be VERY careful where you put paper clipped stuff in reference to your Compass!! beverage cans are another 'issue!'
The cans may be aluminum but the top and bottom often are NOT!!
I am very careful with people on the boat what they bring and where they put it!! ;)
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October 1911 - the apparently well-mannered Patterson crew get back
to civilization after months in and around Dolgoi Harbor in the
Aleutians, and it's all kicking off! But can anyone explain this phrase
to me please?
"For drunkeness on yesterday, SL Halberg, Chf Carpenters Mate, was brought before the mast and quarantined indefinitely."
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%206/IMG_5488_1.jpg
Thank'ee kindly
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Captain's Mast A captain's mast or admiral's mast is a procedure whereby the commanding officer must:
Make inquiry into the facts surrounding minor offenses allegedly committed by a member of the command;
Afford the accused a hearing as to such offenses; and
Dispose
of such charges by dismissing the charges, imposing punishment under
the provisions of military law or referring the case to a court-martial.
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mast_%28naval%29
I suspect that 'quarantined indefinitely' is solitary confinement until further notice, but that is just a guess.
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Unalga, 28th May 1923:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Unalga//Volumes/Seagate%20Backup%20Plus%20Drive/Arfon-JPEGS/RG26/UNALGA//b2575/b2575_126_0.jpg
"Unable to read barometer and thermometer on account of fresh paint."
Yep. Definitely a bad thing.
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Thetis, 20 August 1888
EG Mack (app) was placed on bread & water until he mends his clothes.
They were in the arctic - I can not imagine drafty clothing was a good idea even for lazy Mr. Mack.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol007of024/vol007_026_1.jpg
8am to merid.
It must have been very bad - this was in the midst of the "Jane Gray" recovery action.
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Hi Kookaburra
Thanks for joining us.
I thought you may have been from Downunder (using the Kookaburra avatar)
Do you want to be on the OW people map?
https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=218286446278739362631.0004e0f7349871c7c7721&msa=0
Stuart.
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Just read Hanibal94 and Kookaburra's posts - Gave me a good laugh to end the day! ;D ;D ;D
(Hanibal - have you ever come across 'the gas man cometh' by Flanders and Swann..if not, then look up the 'lego' version.)
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That song is totally new to me. LOL - literally. Thanks for introducing me. ;D
www.youtube.com/embed/mOA_SUKEZRE
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Hilarious! Thanks Joan for mentioning it - and Janet J. for finding it. ;D
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Thanks Janet. Glad you and Hanibal enjoyed it. :D
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Very funny! ;D
Do tradesmen come that quickly when you call them in Britain?
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Only in the mystical world of 'Lego'!!! ;)
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Hi Kookaburra
Thanks for joining us.
I thought you may have been from Downunder (using the Kookaburra avatar)
Do you want to be on the OW people map?
Stuart.
Sorry
Pommy Stuart - just seeing this now for some reason. I,
alas, am not an Aussie, merely married to one. He nicknamed me
"Kookaburra" early on, as a bird with a big mouth who laughs all the
time pretty much sums me up! I will add myself to the map.
Thanks for the welcome.
added: I can not figure out how to add myself to the map - do I need to send you a PM?
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Hi Kookaburra.
Welcome to our neighborhood!!
You may
want to 'check in' at the 'Chat' page too. It's where we share lots of
chat and you'll meet many of the 'regulars' very quickly!!
;)
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Thanks for the welcome Dean!
There is a lot to learn and read here - the forums are proving to be a huge help!
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;D
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While updating the Pioneer crew lists, I came across this page
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2044%20-%20January-March,%201933/IMG_2088_0.jpg),
and was quite surprised to spot the following:
"Lawson, F, Sea, and Schreiber Al, Sea, taken to hospital from injuries received by overturned whale"
At first I thought "Woah! How did they even SURVIVE that?!"
But
then I checked the Events page
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2044%20-%20January-March,%201933/IMG_2088_1.jpg),
and it turns out the word "boat" got cut off when the page scan was
halved, so it actually says:
".... received by overturned whale boat."
That's still quite bad, but not as bad as what I thought it was!
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An overturned whale would definitely finish anyone off!
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A really scary cut off, that!! :o Still must have been a memorable experience.
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Perry heading to north Pacific May 17, 1908 in a gale...
"Cover of standard compass fell to deck breaking glass and bending brass."
It must have made a pretty good whump, although I imagine there where probably a lot of things knocking about (force 9 winds)
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A not-so-nice entry from the Pioneer:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2049%20-%20April-June,%201934/IMG_0586_0.jpg
"Discharged this date Martin K. Hansen, Carpenter, on account of being an alien."
I
think that's very mean - he'd been on the ship for almost five years,
and they just kick him off as soon as they find out he's not
American! >:( >:( >:(
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One would suspect that being a US Citizen is a somewhat important requirement of being in the US Navy by that date!
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You can tell I'm 20th century European. My first thought was 'The aliens have landed!'
;) ;)
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Citizen, no - immigrants use military service as a fast track to
acquiring citizenship, but enlisted only - officers must be citizens.
Legal
resident with documentation, yes - illegal aliens who lie and claim to
be citizens are always in all sorts of trouble when caught by any
government agency, altho that may change for some. A hot-button
topic in the US.
http://www.goarmy.com/content/dam/goarmy/downloaded_assets/mavni/mavni-amedd.pdf
http://www.goarmy.com/reserve/jobs.html
http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/monica-sanchez/pentagon-program-allows-illegal-aliens-serve-us-military
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Citizen,
no - immigrants use military service as a fast track to acquiring
citizenship, but enlisted only - officers must be citizens.
Legal resident with documentation, yes.
Interesting!
I would've thought the armed forces would be a bit reluctant to pick up
any old (legal!) immigrant, especially given how security-conscious the
US has been of late. Then again, if it's anything like the UK, there's
probably a chronic shortage of people who actually want to join.
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I don't know what security checks they run, but anyone with medical
training who wants in would be welcome and I can't think of a better
source for good translators than immigrants.
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Sometimes low tide can be treacherous:
4.0 Range party grounded in barge on mud flat.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36118/0080_0.jpg
They had to wait till 2.30 the next morning tho be delivered. It must have been a cold night for them.
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Thetis, 14 January 1889. I can hear the frustration in the log entry. (ship was in dry dock)
At
7.50 commenced sinking dock. Shore people sinking dock until 10
am when found that something was wrong with section 3, so pumped out
dock without ship getting out. Found that that the stern of
entrance gate had broken in section 3, so abandoned attempt to get ship
out of dock today.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol007of024/vol007_173_1.jpg
edited to add:
15 January, 1889. Fate was not on the side of the Thetis.
At
8.00 began to sink sectional dock & at the same time started fires
under port donkey boiler. At 10.00 floated out of dock & were
taken in tow by the tug "Lively." At 10.30 moored alongside
"Monadnock." Starboard gangway was carried away in coming alongside.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol007of024/vol007_174_1.jpg
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Not too happy with "Shore people"? ;)
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Not too happy with "Shore people"? ;)
CERTAINLY not the fault of the ship's crew! ;D
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Wonder what the "Shore people's" records say ;D
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Fault of lousy ship-handling? (Presumably the shore people were on
the receiving end of the ship 'coming alongside'). But was it windy?
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Since the shore people are in charge of the dock the first time and
the ship people are in charge of ship movement the second time, I'm
suspecting that the crews spent all their energy righteously pointing
fingers at each other. The officers in charge both times however
... Ouch!
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I do not imagine that any of them got dessert that night ;)
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Oh no - with a day like that you get special sauce.
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I'll bet! :o ;D
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Extra-strong jalapeno sauce, perhaps?
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Bleurgh! Jalapeno Sauce would make me behave. Chillies make my nose itch like the very devil.
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Umm...
Received in Pursers Department 14 Whisky, and 18 Bread Barrels of Bread.
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;D ;D ;D
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Still a problem...
Canadian navy sailors face near-total alcohol ban (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30459094)
Canada's navy has imposed a near-total ban on its sailors from drinking while at sea.
Previously,
sailors were permitted to drink while off duty; now they will only be
allowed to on special occasions at the captain's discretion.
The new measures come after a warship had to be recalled after incidents involving allegedly inebriated crew.
The new restrictions bring the Canadian navy closer in line with the navies of the US, Britain and New Zealand.
...
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Getting into the Christmas Spirit(s) a little too far eh? ::) ;D
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Received 2574 pounds of Bread from the Barque
and sent to her 2688 pounds of Bad Bread
:-X
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I wonder if they will use the bad bread to feed the birds? ;D
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Sounds like enough bread to sink a whole flock of birds!
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Perhaps they feed it to the cattle. We get a lot of fresh beef.
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We get a lot of fresh beef.
Wow - the Jamestown crew is spoiled. We mostly see dried beef on Thetis. And split peas. Lots of split peas.
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Edward Cassiday and John Durant were punished with 12 lashes each
with the Colt for doubling the Grog Tub
Cheers!
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8 pm - Mid
Gave Werner Miller, seaman, two hours extra watch for
interference with the Bugler, while the latter was in the performance of
duty
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Commodore%20perry//Volumes/Seagate%20Backup%20Plus%20Drive/Arfon-JPEGS/RG26/COMMODORE%20PERRY//vol185/vol185_083_1.jpg
Well,
they had been at anchor out in the middle of nowhere in thick fog for
days (waiting to surprise sealers), no doubt they were getting
bored... ::)
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That's cruel - fancy not telling us EXACTLY what the interference was! The mind runs wild ;D
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They are certainly not going to surprise sealers with the Bugler performing! ;D
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Particularly if he was being interfered with whilst playing.
;D Guaranteed to cause anyone to hit a few loud wrong notes!
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I do not know if this is the correct place relate this happy moment onboard H.M.S. Liverpool:
P.M.
Christened onboard this day Kathleen Marian, daughter of William Stewart and Doris Adelaide his wife ? also
Phyllis Kathleen Marya & William Edward children of William Thomas Keating & Florence Emily, his wife.
Followed by the signatures of G. N. Tomlin Captain. W. Keating. W. Stewart.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-46902/0266_1.jpg
It might be the first time that children are christened onboard a Royal Navy ship.
I raise my glass to the happy parents and to the life of their children.
P.S. Fell free to move this post to a proper place.
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How interesting! I don't ever remember hearing about a
christening before, although I think there may have been a wedding on
one of the OW ships. Are we told who these people are, and why
they need to have their children christened on a ship instead of in a
church?
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I believe that if the ship was in a home port it wasn't that
uncommon. The upturned ship's bell was used as a font and the ceremony
performed by the chaplain. Whether this is one of those urban myths or
reality I cannot vouch for but the report in the log didn't surprise me.
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Not a myth - I found pictorial evidence. :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship%27s_bell#Baptizing_children
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Baptismal_font_%40_RMC.jpg)
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That is so wonderful!
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I know - I had no idea that happened regularly. Really cool. :)
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If you think about it, the father worshipped on that ship with his
mates. It is one way that his shipmates can join in with the joy and
meet his new family. So if part of the baptism is to introduce the baby
to the church community as well as commit him or her to God then the
ship's company, who can attend Divine Service and Prayers together on a
regular basis, is a valid congregation. I hadn't seen the inscribed bell
though.
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Really interesting.
Looking at the log page the ship's not at home but in the Black Sea ???
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There is a back story here. Two different families, one with two
children, in a foreign port, just post armistice. The Navy made much
more of the Peace Treaty than the Armistice so wouldn't have relaxed all
its wartime procedures. We have no idea how old the children were and,
since we don't know where they were born, it will be difficult to track
them through BMD registration and since we won't get the census for
another few years we'll probably never know the story. Pity.
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Thank you for all your comments and to Janet for the bell.
I know
it will be difficult to find relatives of those families, but I think
it would be a nice document for the family history as not everybody can
tell that someone in their family was christened onboard of a Royal Navy
ship.
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U.S.S. Jamestown, Mare Island Navy Yard
February 1, 1869
"Received one hundred hand irons, one hundred feet irons, ..."
Expecting trouble, were they?
Page Link (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol028of067/vol028of067_018_1.jpg)
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Well, since the cat is now banned, you have to do something ;)
When
President Millard Filmore signed the 1851 naval appropriations bill on
28 September 1850, flogging as a form of punishment in the US. Navy was
legally abolished: "Provided, That flogging in the navy, and on board
vessels of commerce, be, and the same time is hereby, abolished from and
after the passage of this act."
Wrist
and Leg Irons:
http://www.nps.gov/vick/historyculture/images/legrstn.jpg in
http://www.nps.gov/vick/historyculture/life-aboard.htm
Still, that does seem like a lot...
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Jamestown - 19/08/1848 - Madeira
Sent the Bread condemed by Survey to the Govenor of the Island, to be distributed among the poor.
:-X
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Wow. :-\
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Oh deary-me - that's how to know that you really are poor. Not just
the crumbs off the master's table - but the moldy crumbs off the
master's table. Perhaps a case of 'Worse things happen not at
sea'? :(
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7:20 Threw a brass lantern overboard to prevent its explosion
USS Patterson 17/11/1913
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6412_1.jpg
And
she'd already lost a bit of the propellor - not the best day! BUT they
do come up trumps with a bit of bling from the Commanding Officer of the
Bering Sea Fleet... see the Thetis discussion threads. :D
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Vicksburg moored at Navy Yard Mare Island Cal on March 11, 1910...
At
11:30 (pm) the two masted schooner James Burns, G Watson, Master while
attempting to drift up stream with the tide, drifted across the bow of
this vessel. The port quarter of the vessel touched the mooring
buoy to which she was made fast. At 11:45 the Navy Yard tug Leslie
in coming to the assistance of this vessel caught her superstructure
against the spanker boom of the schooner and before she could be cleared
her stack caught our jib boom breaking the stack and steam pipes over
aft so that her fires had to be extinguished by fire hose led from this
vessel. She was secured outboard of the schooner. No one was
injured.
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I suspect that there will be some badly injured feelings by the time this is sorted out... ;)
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I figured to have three vessels involved was unusual. And a
fire (or at least quenching the boilers). Poor Leslie, come to the
rescue and then needing rescue.
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Injury on board Patterson, 14th July 1914. I'm impressed by
how much detail they go into in investigating and recording the reasons
for the accident.
While lowering anchor over the rail the shank
painter fouled J. Connors, seaman, and broke his left leg. The painter
had been taken to the capstan the wrong way, and Olsen, the acting
boatswain's mate noticed it and capsized two of the three pawls, but
when the strain was thrown suddenly on the painter, the pawls jumped and
the barrel of the capstan revolved. The jerk pulled Connors off his
balance and he stepped into the bight of the line. He was taken below
and attended by the Doctor.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2016/IMG_6587_1.jpg
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ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh - yuk! That's a horrid accident. :( :( :(
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See #10: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7868_1.jpg
I
can't find it now, but I remember reading something about instructions
to record all the details so that those who deserved benefits due to
injury would get them - and presumably so that the USC&GS was
protected against people that did stupid things.
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Could have been much worse. A friend of my Great-Grandfather's lost
his leg above the knee in a similar accident. That was occurred about a
decade earlier and yes, I knew them both as they both survived to a ripe
old age, sound of mind if less nimble than when young.
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See #10: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7868_1.jpg
I
can't find it now, but I remember reading something about instructions
to record all the details so that those who deserved benefits due to
injury would get them - and presumably so that the USC&GS was
protected against people that did stupid things.
That
is absolutely true in any big organization - CG is at serious risk of
being sued for something magnified to something much bigger and more
expensive as much as the injured are at risk of getting slightly.
But much much more important is having training officers know exactly
what accidents really happen so they can train for
avoidance/response. If you don't know what does sometimes go
wrong, you can't do things to prevent recurrences.
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Embarrassing day on board the good ship Patterson:
At 7:25
Launch #38 left ship with cutter and whaleboat in tow. Launch broke down
& anchored - boats got adrift - sent motor dory out to pick them up
- dory launch broke down. Launch 38 returned to ship - sent Launch 38
after other boats. Launch 38 broke down soon after picking up the motor
dory, but finally managed to get all boats up to the Str Yukon.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2016/IMG_6652_1.jpg
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http://daily.zooniverse.org/2015/01/21/bad-news-in-goodnews-bay/ ;)
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:D :D :D
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Worse things happen at the cantina. From Vicksburg August 9, 1911.
About
2.45 pm in Finnucane's Cantina, at Corinto Nicaragua, T Honda, wardroom
steward, USN was deliberately and cowardly shot in the back with a
revolver by Ernesto Cuevera, Secretary to the Commandante de Arras, with
whom he had quarreled about half an hour before. At the time of
the quarrel Cuevera had attempted to shoot Honda with a revolver after
the latter had twice struck the former in the face without, as stated by
eye witnesses, sufficient provocation. Cuevera at the time was in
an intoxicated condition. The bullet entered the body on the left side
midway between the crest of the ileum and the posterior superior spine
just grazing the bone. It then passed transversely across the back
through the muscles and subcutaneous tissue missing the vertebral
column in the course and made its exit on the right side at a little
higher level than that of the point of entrance.
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Oh, my. Not only a violent tragedy, but an international incident. :o
This incident never made the US papers, but they were talking in July about why the Vicksburg was being sent there.
The
Salt Lake tribune., July 09, 1911, Page 2, Image 2
(http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83045396/1911-07-09/ed-1/seq-2/)
(http://s3.postimg.org/yee6h2hgz/Vicksburg_Nicaragua_1.jpg)
Found another paper, but it isn't news, it's a letter to the editor:
The Washington Times
Washington, District of Columbia
Wednesday, August 16, 1911 - Page 8
(http://s2.postimg.org/aj5evc8w9/Vicksburg_Nicaragua_2.jpg)
(http://s2.postimg.org/mz24p3289/Vicksburg_Nicaragua_2a.jpg)
(http://s2.postimg.org/5zt69tr0p/Vicksburg_Nicaragua_2b.jpg)
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Wonderful finds, Janet!
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Wow! What a story! Jeepers! :o :-[
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Fascinating, I had no idea.
Vicksburg had been to Corinto in the past, so I didn't think anything of their stay.
They do a lot of swimming and playing base ball.
Drills too.
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Unless there was another shooting, T Honda did not die.
On Aug 23, 1911:
Honda, T (WR Stwd) disorderly conduct while on shore; restricted on board ship while in Central American waters.
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Vicksburg in Corinto Nicaragua on Sept 9, 1911:
4pm to 8pm
Partly cloudy with heavy rain squalls thunder and lightning. Storm
to calm. Barometer variable. During storm the sides and
roof of the Central American Commercial Co's dock blew down, killing two
people and wounding ten. Assistant Surgeon IW Robbins USN, CH
Deane, Hospital Steward USN, and Allen DC Hospital Apprentice USN
rendered medical assistance to the wounded. Water breaker of steam
launch was washed overboard. Hove in to 30 fathoms on both
chains.
[log wind speed was 11-1]
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I'm so very glad T. Honda survived the shooting, and glad he isn't given the excuse to get into another brawl.
Sounds like quite a storm.
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I'm editing HMS Southampton and came across this entry in the morning of 8 Jun 1922
G & T training classes to instruction
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-85370/0085_0.jpg
For aspiring officers maybe.
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I'm editing HMS Southampton and came across this entry in the morning of 8 Jun 1922
G & T training classes to instruction
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-85370/0085_0.jpg
For aspiring officers maybe.
:D :D :D
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;D ;D ;D Well - do you add the ice before or after the Tonic water? - see - we think it's easy...but.... :o ;D
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Looking through De Long's original journal for items Emma De Long excised from the published account of the Jeannette I came across this one - which I would say is a 'worse thing' - given the definition of 'loose' and 'it' in play here:
Our
second trouble is the stove odors ? much coal was carried on deck from
St. Michaels and 40 dogs soon made it a fine mess, particularly as they
were ?loose? at the time. Separating it from the coal then was as
impossible as it is now, and occasionally we get a ?condensed dog? odor
from the stove that is as peculiar as it is disagreeable.
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Oh, lordy, Emma took out the best bits. Thank you Kevin for that one. :)
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And for some reason she seems to have taken out all references to
Broadway theatricals in NY, along with a lot of possibly unseemly
complaining about being trapped in the ice for two years.
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You are simply going to have to amend our page for the Jeannette -
obviously much needed. Is Nico still involved so he can do it? ;D
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Gosh! I'm sure Nico would be interested. Something else came up about Jeannette recently. I'll drop him an email. :D
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Crunch:
Lost a 10# lead by dropping anchor on it
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol039of055/vol039of055_244_1.jpg
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Butter fingers!
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Dropped it plumb on the lead eh? ;) ;) :D clever
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:P
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Shift to the 'Another Word Game'...
swap l for d and I guess the
Lead is Dead!! ::)
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;D ;D ;D
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Disaster on Macedonia 20 Jan 1916
Extra issue of rum on account of first issue being boiled with salt water
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47706/ADM%2053-47706-013_0.jpg
Yuk :o
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::) :o ::)
It takes some effort to do something that stupid!
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I don't usually look at events, but this little note happened to catch my eye:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol036of040/vol036of040_251_1.jpg
"The death of Ah Kwan was not in the line of duty."
Well, that's oddly specific...
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Translation: No compensation from the Navy because it wasn't the Navy's fault.
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I'm thinking that last sentence is as much because the death not
only took place on liberty, but that the family literally refused to
allow the navy any involvement in investigating or handling the
death. The mother very much didn't want anything from the navy,
and that may have been the only way to keep the PTB from interfering
anyway. Which makes it as much a sign of respect as disowning -
very mixed feelings.
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At 9.30 inspected the crew at quarters_ At 10. went to muster read the articles of War + performed Divine Service_
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Does a pressure of 69.90 inches count as a Worse Thing (9 am)?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_066_0.jpg
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That one gets sent to Philip and Kevin to enlarge the 9am reading and frame it on their wall.
Did
any of you notice she is Anchored at Kobe, Japan, while sailing
Northeasterly all day which would sail her directly overland?
;D
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From what I have seen in some other log books (and the fact that no
distances are entered), I think they are just saying that she is pointed
into the wind :-\
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I figured it had to be something like that. It still adds oddness.
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Sometimes they'll line out 'Courses Steered' and write in 'Ship's Head' or something to that effect.
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Yes, I've seen that too.
Otherwise it really does look strange.
Perhaps they just need to show that they were being careful.
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I've been getting caught up on my geeky webcomics (and doing some writing) so I'm a tad late to the party, I know...
Randi nailed it, they were keeping the ship pointed into the wind. And here's why!
When
a sail or motor sail (like our glorious steamers) vessel is at anchor,
they'll use the wind to fight the tide and cross currents in order to
keep the chain/cable/rope straight. It's a little odd that they didn't
come about when the tide changed, which leads me to believe that they
were fighting a non-tidal current, and holding their tack for so long
makes me think they were anchored in a narrow spot, so the crew would
need to keep into the wind to prevent the ship from swinging about with
the tide (possibly using the screws to push forward at flood and the
sails at ebb in order to stay straight). Pretty standard stuff for sail
powered vessel, even today, but with fewer and fewer sail vessels afloat
(and more and more sail vessels having some sort of secondary
propulsion) it's easily overlooked.
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That's good news Hatterjack! Although, let's face it, the idea of it going overland is so much more amusing ;D ;D ;D
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Well, to be fair, the Vikings did it... a little ingenuity and I'm
sure we could figure out how to get a steamer over land :D
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I seem to remember having an armed merchant cruiser in the Andes...
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You *have* to be referring to the Yavari. Old Peruvian gunboat that
was taken apart plank by plank, reassembled, and now steams along
(complete with the 4 cylinder hot bulb Bolinder engine she was fitted
with back in 1914) a route in lake Titicaca. Fun fact: it took 8 years
to get the whole ship completed after it was torn apart for shipping.
I'm
also not finding any record of what she was armed with, only that she
was designated at a gunboat, transport, and passenger ship.
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Sorry, that was a sarcastic comment about the log keepers :-[
However, they did disassemble and reassemble a few of our RN ships in Africa to take them inland.
I seem to have mixed that up - or maybe they are two different stories :-\
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=2554.msg36865#msg36865
and http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1028.msg9769#msg9769
Then there was this one: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=209.msg31459#msg31459
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Well, to be fair, the Vikings did it... a little ingenuity and I'm sure we could figure out how to get a steamer over land :D
There's always Fitzcarraldo, if you're into Werner Herzog movies... :o 8)
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Our own YUKON II was shipped to St. Michaels, Alaska in pieces and assembled there on the beach. A 65-foot steamboat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USC%26GS_Yukon_%281898%29
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8)
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mapurves found this little gem in the Concord logs. "Two or three
days earlier C. C. Staley was hit by a hook falling from the coaling
beam. Now this:
Dozier
H. (Sea) fell out of his hammock, caused by hammock hook carrying away,
and received a scalp wound on the back of his head.
If he was Dozier before he fell out of his hammock, how dozy would he be after his fall?"
Enjoy
the real thing here
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol034of040/vol034of040_123_1.jpg).
#dailyzoo
;D
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Not a lucky ship.
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needs re-naming to 'Discord' if you ask me ;) ;) :D
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Sorry, that was a sarcastic comment about the log keepers :-[
However, they did disassemble and reassemble a few of our RN ships in Africa to take them inland.
I seem to have mixed that up - or maybe they are two different stories :-\
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=2554.msg36865#msg36865
and http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1028.msg9769#msg9769
Then there was this one: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=209.msg31459#msg31459
There
were a total of 16 of these Fly class gunboats, shipped from Britain
and assembled in Abadan, in support of the Mesopotamia campaign, in 1915
& 16. There are a couple of pictures of them here, with some other
remarkable pictures from the naval campaign here.
http://www.gwpda.org/naval/tigrisfl.htm
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Hi Tegwen! ;D
those ship's don't have much room between
the deck and the water! :o Hope there's NEVER much of a
swell on the Tigris! :D
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There were a total of 16 of these Fly class gunboats, shipped from
Britain and assembled in Abadan, in support of the Mesopotamia campaign,
in 1915 & 16. There are a couple of pictures of them here, with
some other remarkable pictures from the naval campaign here.
http://www.gwpda.org/naval/tigrisfl.htm
WOW! Thanks for the
link. I'm on RIMS(HMS) DALHOUSIE in Basrah and the '...fly' ships are
regularly mentioned and used. I had no pictures or idea of their
sizes!! ;)
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April 3rd 1896
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol027of055/vol027of055_099_1.jpg
At
9.15 B.Thile, (Sea), S.R. Samuels, (Eq.Yeo) in trying to see inside the
alcohol tank in upper laboratory, held an open light near the opening
at bottom, an explosion followed in which the latter was burned, no
other damage
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He was lucky! Using an open light for that sort of thing is a common cause of Darwin Awards.
Love the "no other damage" ::)
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I can't imagine why they were trying to look at the alcohol ;)
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Sing.......
MY bonnie looked into a gas tank..
The height of its contents to see....
She lit a small match to assist her...
Oh bring back my bonnie to me!!!! ::)
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They have just re-enlisted B.Thile, the crewman who escaped injury. His first name appropriately enough is Bernhard.
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::)
For the sake of the rest of the crew, I hope he has learned his lesson!
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They have put him down for some health and safety training as soon as he finishes checking the magazine.
There
has been a new logkeeper for a couple of weeks since this explosion
too. Makes me wonder whether the Equipment Yeoman was the log keeper.
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It's entirely plausible that he would have been the logkeeper prior
to the explosion. If I recall, this would have been right around the
time that the Navy was finalizing the formal rank structure aboard ship
(not that they've gotten around to actually finalizing the structure,
honestly) prior to the turn of the century, and very shortly after
changing the Yeoman rating from Yeoman to Ship's Yeoman, back to Yeoman,
and then breaking the rating up into multiple junior petty officer
positions, including Equipment Yeoman.
The position is largely a
clerical position, and has its roots with the now-defunct Captain's
Clerk rating. Yeoman have generally had the responsibility of *writing*
the logbook out, before turning it over to the ship's Quartermaster for
review (who then turns it over to the Navigator, who gives it to the
Executive Officer, who then gives it to the person who is actually in
command of the ship). Technically, it's the Quartermaster's duty to
update and maintain the log, but given their other responsibilities
(conning the ship, assisting the Navigator, and assisting the Officer of
the Watch, among other less important things) it's been fairly common
to see the logbook passed along to a junior officer whose primary
function is clerical in nature. This allows the command structure to
focus on command, rather than on the minute details involved in the day
to day running of a ship.
That said, a lot of senior officers
tend to keep personal logs anyway, although these are more in line with
the style of the OW:W logbooks than the level of detail that the Navy
requires for the official ship's log.
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Sing.......
MY bonnie looked into a gas tank..
The height of its contents to see....
She lit a small match to assist her...
Oh bring back my bonnie to me!!!! ::)
made me laugh Dean! The version I know if a little different - but the dreadful outcome is very the same ;D
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...)
it's been fairly common to see the logbook passed along to a junior
officer whose primary function is clerical in nature. This allows the
command structure to focus on command, rather than on the minute details
involved in the day to day running of a ship.
That said, a lot
of senior officers tend to keep personal logs anyway, although these are
more in line with the style of the OW:W logbooks than the level of
detail that the Navy requires for the official ship's log.
Another informative gem Hatterjack :D
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...)
it's been fairly common to see the logbook passed along to a junior
officer whose primary function is clerical in nature. This allows the
command structure to focus on command, rather than on the minute details
involved in the day to day running of a ship.
That said, a lot
of senior officers tend to keep personal logs anyway, although these are
more in line with the style of the OW:W logbooks than the level of
detail that the Navy requires for the official ship's log.
Another informative gem Hatterjack :D
;D ;D
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Yes, thank you, Hatterjack! I've been trying to figure out who I
should blame for the poor handwriting and bad spelling. Who observes the
weather? Do you know that, too? I need someone to blame for reporting
lightning from Cir and S when the temperature is 81 and the wet bulb is
79. (I think he was aiming for P for passing Showers.)
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Yes,
thank you, Hatterjack! I've been trying to figure out who I should
blame for the poor handwriting and bad spelling. Who observes the
weather? Do you know that, too? I need someone to blame for reporting
lightning from Cir and S when the temperature is 81 and the wet bulb is
79. (I think he was aiming for P for passing Showers.)
I agree, our boy write so that p,q,g,z look the same (or very similar)
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Dollars to donuts the actual observations were done by a Yeoman
under the direction of the Officer of the Watch. According to my Navy
buddies that's how it's done today anyway, although there are a few
Quartermasters who make the observations, and pass their notes off to
the Yeoman keeping the log for the trip in question. Given how little
the culture of the military has changed (generally speaking) over the
length of history, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that this was
the case on pretty much every ship ever.
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Hatterjack, knower of all things Naval, I have one other Navy type
question. Concord is sitting in Manila Bay. The US Atlantic and Pacific
Fleets are there. Every now and then the U.S.S. Cleveland breaks the
jack at the fore and fires one gun. Sometimes this seems to correspond
with the start of a General Court Martial on the Cleveland, and once
Concord recorded Cleveland bringing down the jack and firing one gun
which seemed to correspond to the adjourning of the GCM. However, other
times Concord records the start of the GCM and there is no mention of
the jack and one gun, and other times she mentions Cleveland breaking
the jack and firing one gun, but there's no mention of the GCM. USS
Rainbow is the flagship for the Pacific Fleet, and Cleveland is part of
the the fleet, so she's not firing one gun for the Admiral, who would
get three or seven guns, I believe. Also, Cleveland is the only ship
recorded having a GCM and firing one gun and breaking the jack at the
fore. So do the gun and jack signal the GCM being in session, or is
there some other reason? Not being a Navy man, I sit in the mist of
unkowing... (so much a nicer image than Milton's Slough of
despond)
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It's not until someone mentions my Navy knowledge that I take a step
back and ask myself why I know all this, when I wasn't actually *in*
the Navy myself (despite a family history stretching back as far as the
Mary Rose, if the stories are to be believed).
Anywho, let's answer the question at hand.
As
far as breaking the jack in correspondence with the beginning and
ending of court martial proceedings, it is exactly as you are thinking,
but a bit more complicated at the same time (the jack is *always* at the
fore, but there are specific times when it should and should not be
flown). Temporarily breaking the jack to signal the beginning or end of a
general court martial, captain's mast, or really any special occasion,
is hardly outside of the norm, so long as they remained within the
harbor (Manila Bay is pretty big, so that's pretty much a given). It
would work the other way around when underway, with flying the jack
signalling the occasion (whatever that may have been).
The thing
that's baffling to me is the firing of a single gun, as that's not
really indicative of anything (with one *very* notable exception being
the one-gun-per-state salute done on 4 July by field artillery at
capable military installations). Perhaps the gun was indicating whether a
verdict had been given during the courts martial? E.g., the Cleveland
firing at the start of proceedings, but not at the end of the day meant
that court martial was still ongoing, not firing at the start of a
proceeding perhaps meaning that it was a return from a temporary
adjournment, etc.
To touch on something you mentioned about the
Cleveland not firing a salute for the Admiral aboard the Rainbow, that
is an accurate assumption as well. Admirals in the USN are honored with a
17 gun salute, often fired in three volleys of five guns, then seven,
then another five (although I really don't know if that's by regulation
or tradition).
Also, fun fact about gun salutes/ordnance signalling:
The
iconic image of soldiers lined up, firing a triple volley for the
fallen at military funerals is *not* a 21 gun salute, even if there are
21 rounds fired. A rifle is not a gun, by military standards, despite
civilian use making firearm and gun synonymous. A gun, by definition, is
a firearm requiring a crew to operate. I don't really mind the use of
the word gun, but most of my family gets pretty bent out of shape about
it (like the time my dad had a friend ask if he could see his gun, so my
dad sulked off, got in his truck and drove away... only to come back a
few hours later with a falconet mounted on a trailer towed by the
truck).
A falconet btw, looks a bit like this:
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/65/213116082_cb5a56c5e6.jpg?v=0)
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This is RN, so I don't know if it applies.
The
Court-Martial gun (known unofficially as the "Rogue's Salute" or a
"One-gun salute") is the signal gun fired at 'Colours' on the morning of
the day on which a naval court-martial has been ordered to assemble. A
Union flag is flown from the peak halliards (at the yard arm in a
single-masted ship) while the Court is sitting.
http://www.hmsrichmond.org/dict_g.htm [Bunting Tosser]
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Considering that the US Navy is basically RN Junior, I could see this being entirely plausible for the USN as well.
One other fun fact about naval gun salutes actually sort of backs that up as a fairly likely situation.
Naval
gun salutes are fired in odd numbers, a tradition dating back to the
1600's when superstition among gunners determined that even numbered
volleys were bad luck. The *only* exception to the odd-numbered salute
is for the salute fired upon the death of a gunner, which is typically a
two-gun single volley (or 4 guns upon the death of a Chief Gunner's
Mate, occasionally received by junior rated gunners as well, although
this is *very* rare).
Going back to the "Rogue's Salute", I would
still make the assumption (even if it's incorrect) that the reasoning
for why it would be fired one day and not the next has to do with the
trial taking place over multiple days. Courts martial can be very quick,
compared to civilian legal proceedings, but proceedings over several
days are hardly unheard of.
This is likely because of something
that I've only just been made aware of (thanks very much to my uncle
Denver and my cousin Randall). The Uniform Code of Military Justice is
older than the United States, predating the Declaration of Independence
by virtue of simply modifying the 1774 British Articles of War to
represent the American Colonies (and later the United States). This has
had the rather interesting consequence of meaning that USN ships, while
at sea, do not have the legal protections afforded by the US
Constitution (notably the 4th, 5th, and 7th Amendments, as the JAG
actually serves as a de facto military version of the 6th Amendment
simply by existing in the first place, although summary courts martial
do not have the option of a jury, and are both smaller and possess
greater authority in general and special courts martial).
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We also have to note that the Concord's logs are not definitive, in
that they don't log all the events, so just because they didn't log
Cleveland breaking the jack or bringing it down, doesn't mean the these
things didn't happen. I have seen people list as absent, then the next
day the log notes "no absentees", but there is no record of the people
who were previously absent listed as returning. Then, a couple of days
later, they are listed as being punished. I've seen people being served
with specifications for a Summary Court Martial, but no record of one
being held, and then some many days later a mention that the person has
been released, his term of confinement from the SCM having expired.
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https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/zooniverse/old-weather/talk/187/20239?comment=69739 ;)
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https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/zooniverse/old-weather/talk/187/20239?comment=69739 ;)
I
can't speak for anyone else, but there's not much more unnerving than
trying to relieve one's self when the facilities look like the set of a
horror film.
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https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/zooniverse/old-weather/talk/187/20239?comment=69739 ;)
I
can't speak for anyone else, but there's not much more unnerving than
trying to relieve one's self when the facilities look like the set of a
horror film.
But it's still a delicate matter to use the facilities when they are wet with paint? :o ;D
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Not if you're a man! ;) ;D
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::) ::) ;D OK - understood. :-[ :D
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Old Favorite Regarding the wet paint:
http://www.angelfire.com/ego/hazi/hamnaviimisc/miscl/woolworth.html
;)
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I'm not sure this raises the tone, but it changes it.
"Max
Bastic (Sea) had a knife accidentally run up his nose, cutting it
badly. Sent to the USS Paula and P.A. Surgeon Fits came on board
and attended to the wounded man."
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2038/IMG_8670_0.jpg
I'm
not entirely convinced of the names here so if anyone looking at it
thinks they know better, please do tell me and I'll go back and have
another look. I'm also not entirely convinced how anyone can have a
knife accidentally run up their nose ....
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Old
Favorite Regarding the wet paint:
http://www.angelfire.com/ego/hazi/hamnaviimisc/miscl/woolworth.html
;)
Snigger ;) ;D 8)
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Fitts, Henry B.
Assistant Surgeon, 6 July, 1882. Passed Assistant Surgeon, 6 July, 1885. Surgeon, 23 March, 1897.
This is probably the surgeon, although the log clearly has only one 't'.
I wonder if it is the USS Pinta
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Pinta
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Max Bathke ? ? ?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XGST-B3V
Though that date is after his service on Patterson...
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Thanks Randi, for all these helpful suggestions - I'm pretty convinced by them all, I think.
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June 5th 1905 Worse things happen in Seattle too
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol040of055/vol040of055_238_1.jpg
Sent the Carpenter's Mate and two men ashore to repair damage done by steam launch.
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Perhaps a bit too much steam up then? ;) :D
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Problem in the riggings.
Jamestown (1886)
02/08/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol058of067/vol058of067_146_1.jpg
At
7.30 sent up top gallant masts and top gallant yards in obedience to
general signal 61.44, in swaying up, the port-fore-top mast-cap bolt was
drawn from the cap
If
this is where I'm thinking it is, there should be quit a few lines
lashed to the bolt and cap. Possibly result in a "Kodak" moment.
;D
I haven't had time to research this though, maybe someone knows off the top of their heads.
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Problem in the riggings.
Jamestown (1886)
02/08/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol058of067/vol058of067_146_1.jpg
At
7.30 sent up top gallant masts and top gallant yards in obedience to
general signal 61.44, in swaying up, the port-fore-top mast-cap bolt was
drawn from the cap
If
this is where I'm thinking it is, there should be quit a few lines
lashed to the bolt and cap. Possibly result in a "Kodak" moment.
;D
I haven't had time to research this though, maybe someone knows off the top of their heads.
Not
quite as bad as you'd think by the sound of it. A mast-cap bolt sits at
the top of the section of rigging, in this case the port side of the
fore-topsail. Here's a picture of the Jamestown, for reference.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/USS_Jamestown_1844.jpg)
We
get a lucky break in that this was taken with the port side in full
view. The fore-top sail is the second sail from the bottom, at the front
of the ship. Losing that particular mast-cap wouldn't really do much
other than make the fore-top loose on the mast. Losing the mast-cap that
sits directly on the mast could be problematic, because they could lose
either the fore-top stay or the inside jib (the two lower sails, from
bottom to top, respectively, that connect to the bowsprit), maybe even
both, as they look connected to the same cap bolt in this image. The
mast-cap bolt that was mentioned, however, sits on the port side of the
fore-top mast, and judging by this image, the only thing connected at
that point would be the fore-topsail.
As an aside, this has a
pretty good capture of a sloppy foresail and mainsail rig, as both are
really loose and don't appear to have been unfurled entirely.
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Cap - In The young sea officer's sheet anchor; or, A key to the leading ... Lever, Darcy, 1760?-1837.: http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=nyp.33433008209128;view=1up;seq=90
???
Also (from a model building site):
(http://castyouranchorhobby.com/media/ecom/cat/33027.jpg)
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Cap - In The young sea officer's sheet anchor; or, A key to the leading ... Lever, Darcy, 1760?-1837.: http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=nyp.33433008209128;view=1up;seq=90
???
Also (from a model building site):
(http://castyouranchorhobby.com/media/ecom/cat/33027.jpg)
Nice
find! In layman's terms, the mast-cap bolts are there to secure the
rigging blocks to the mast-head. The rigging blocks in question on the
fore-top are used for the inner jib and fore-stay using the block at the
fore, and abaft for the brace lines running between the fore and main
masts. The bolts for the port and starbard *generally* hold the halyard
blocks for the inner jib, forestay, and topsail. This would, in the case
of losing the port cap bolt cause the inner jib, forestay, and topsail
to go slack to port, which would make navigation a bit more difficult,
but it's a pretty quick fix (relatively speaking) and nothing a good
crew would fuss about too much. Worst case scenario is that they'd have
to rig something to act as a temporary bolt and slap the halyards to
that until they can make port and get a replacement.
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Got it - technical stuff understood :)
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I looked around, and found this reference of sails. It helped me
understand everything a lot better, since I'm a more visual thinker.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/3e/95/a7/3e95a7bb089e411b0a9fac39f9e0121f.jpg)
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Great picture (great ship)...how does anyone ever remember all those
bits? Does anyone else suddenly have that song 'Dem bones, dem bones,
dem dry bones. Now hear the word of the Lord. Toe bone connected to the
foot bone; Foot bone connected to the heel bone etc.'? There's just got
to be a ship rigging version of this :-\ :)
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Great
picture (great ship)...how does anyone ever remember all those bits?
Does anyone else suddenly have that song 'Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry
bones. Now hear the word of the Lord. Toe bone connected to the foot
bone; Foot bone connected to the heel bone etc.'? There's just got to be
a ship rigging version of this :-\ :)
I
can't think of anything similar offhand, although I'm sure there's a
few hundred shanty's I haven't heard yet, so I wouldn't rule it out.
Mostly it's just something you pick up over time, in my experience.
Nobody expects a greenhorn to come aboard a tall ship and be able to
identify much, but a sailor with a few voyages under his belt would have
most of the major parts memorized just from being yelled at about
taking too long to haul a line.
I've seen greenhorns on two mast
ships who confuse the topsails with the royals, although that's a pretty
easy mistake, since the term "topsail" has the word top in it. By the
time they finish their trip and move on to a bigger ship, the only thing
they wouldn't already have memorized is that on ships with three masts
there's a mizzen in addition to the fore and main masts, and a four
masted ship (which they probably will never see) has a jigger plus the
mizzen, fore, and main masts. If you go from a small boat to
increasingly larger ones you'll never even realize how many thousands of
different bits and bobs you wind up memorizing.
It also doesn't
hurt that as far as rigging goes, it's really very standardized. Take a
look at that picture again, and just look at one mast, let's say the
foremast, since it's at the front of the ship. Foresail, lower fore-top,
upper fore-top, fore-topgallant, fore royal. Moving to the main or the
mizzen, you've still got the same five sails (sail, lower-top,
upper-top, topgallant, royal), just swapping out fore to identify that
they're on the mainmast, and then throw in the skysail that sits above
the royal. Move to the mizzen and it's basically the same, just with the
skysail missing, since that only flies on the main. Most ships don't
even use studding sails (the Cutty Sark was kind of famous for her
rigging being elaborate), and rely on the three jibs, the stays, and the
spanker, which (with the exception of the spanker) are all pretty easy
to remember (only three jibs, and the stays being named for the sail
that their topmost point anchors nearest to, and the spanker... well...
spanks the ship's bum)
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Thank goodness for 'Tinnies' they only have an outboard. ;D
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And the added bonus that if you run out of gas or the motor fails,
you can always row the thing. I mean I guess you could row a tall ship
too, if you had to, but I wouldn't want to be one of the guys trying to
move several dozen tons of boat with oars. Lifelong sailor, but I'll be
the first to admit I would never hack it on a trireme.
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From my reading of such authors as CS Forrester, I had the
impression that when the wind failed for long periods they put the boats
over the side attached to tow lines and the sailors rowed. Since the
water supply would be a big concern and the food salty they were
probably hot, dehydrated, aching & blistered. The life of a 19th
century sailor could be hard!
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I've heard that come up a time or two myself. Although, for the most
part, my understanding is that most of the ships were sufficiently
provisioned that this wasn't a common occurrence, even in the worst
calms. It's anecdotal, so it's not really an objective statement, but
after 20ish years of life as a sailor, I've never once actually
encountered more than a few hours of total calm. I'm sure it happens, as
my experience isn't really a fair basis for comparison, given that I
sail in the Pacific, and generally limit myself to the north Pacific.
The sheer size of the Pacific creates a lot of temperature variation and
upwelling as the water goes through it's heating/cooling cycles
generates a lot of surface winds. It's not generally very strong wind,
but it's really unusual to lose the wind entirely.
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What Does THAT Mean? has a topic: Sail and Wind
Powered Sailing Terms
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3515.0) with lots of
references and images ;)
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Jamestown (1886)
25/08/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol058of067/vol058of067_169_1.jpg
At
8.50 "Portsmouth" made by Very's code Interrogatory 24.57.
"Saratoga" signalled, "send boats to tow "Portsmouth"; by Army
Code. Sent 2nd, 3rd, and 4th cutters and whale boat, and towed
"Portsmouth" to anchorage, to westward of us, between "Saratoga" and
"Loo" Rock. "Portsmouth" anchored at 10.10 P.M.
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Jamestown (1886)
25/08/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol058of067/vol058of067_169_1.jpg
At
8.50 "Portsmouth" made by Very's code Interrogatory 24.57.
"Saratoga" signalled, "send boats to tow "Portsmouth"; by Army
Code. Sent 2nd, 3rd, and 4th cutters and whale boat, and towed
"Portsmouth" to anchorage, to westward of us, between "Saratoga" and
"Loo" Rock. "Portsmouth" anchored at 10.10 P.M.
There
must not have been a tug available to haul the Portsmouth in, but it's a
little strange seeing that whaleboat in with all the cutters. If memory
serves, the Jamestown had a bunch of steam cutters, but I've never
heard of a motorized whaleboat. Did they really have a bunch of sailors
tie off and row hard to pull her in? It would definitely make for an
interesting journal entry... the next day... after they got the feeling
back into their arms.
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Hope they didn't get too worn out. the Patterson had a steam launch
that kept breaking down and I wonder if that too put some muscles on her
crew's arms? :)
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Jamestown - 13/06/1852 - Rio de Janeiro
Expended one quart of Whiskey for ships use
What was the ship doing with the whiskey?
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And only a quart? What a lightweight! ::) ;D
What was the ship doing with the whiskey?
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;D ;D ;D
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Thetis June 8, 1899 in Seattle Wash:
Rec'd Dept telegram, informing of loss of str Pelican L 50'N Lo 175W. Informed Commanding officer USS Rush.
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On the list of things you don't want to happen, "water on fire" is probably quite high up:
9.30am:
Burning oil floating down river set fire to S.T. Kelvin, oil coming
close to ship, ship ready for slipping anchor. ML8 alongside raised
steam. Hands went to fire stations. Sick ready to leave, removed all
boats.
HMS Alert, 2 Nov 1916 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33301/ADM53-33301-004_0.jpg).
(This snippet also destroyed my long-standing theory that "ML8" stood for "Motor Launch 8"!)
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http://www.sharecg.com/v/36476/Poser/Steam-Motor-Launch ?
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Intriguing - that is definitely exactly the sort of boat it is! I've
never heard of a "steam motor", only a "steam engine", so I wonder what
the former actually refers to. A bit of searching suggests the
difference might be direct drive (normal for steam engines) as compared
to a high speed engine with suitable gearing.
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Steam motors are a bit more different than simply the gearing vs
direct drive (although that is a significant part of the difference).
In
addition to being geared rather than directly driven, steam motors were
significantly smaller, and had more than the standard two cylinders of a
standard steam engine. Decreasing the size of the engine and adding
more cylinders allowed the steam motor to be comparatively more powerful
as well as considerably more efficient (which is ideal when dealing
with sea travel). Steam motors also had an enclosed crankshaft,
typically lubricated via an oil sump, which allowed for more efficient
turning and prevented dirt from building up on the shaft.
The
advantages of the steam motor are many, being more efficient, and having
a significantly improved power to weight ratio being chief among them.
They are also cheaper to manufacture and require less daily servicing
and considerably less long-term maintenance. Additionally there were
some incredible advantages when used for railways, the two largest among
them being that individual wheels could be powered, rather than wheel
sections, allowing for better weight distribution for an entire
locomotive (rather than just the large, piston driven drive wheels), and
additionally allowed for locomotive articulation, which in turn allows
trains to make tighter turns at speed with a reduced risk of derailment.
Also, in addition to the straightforward effect of weight distribution
thanks to the individually powered wheels, this also meant that
non-cargo carrying weight could be reduced, as individually powered
wheels meant that trains didn't need to carry spare axles.
However,
despite their advantages, steam motors would never outright replace the
steam engine. While the power to weight ratio of the motor was
significantly more powerful, there are certain applications that don't
really require that level of sophistication, or require more direct
brute force than can be obtained through a steam motor (since a
necessary requirement of a steam motor is that it be small in size).
This is particularly the case with marine steam engines, as a steam
motor of sufficient size would require far too much coal to be carried
aboard, which is why ships were typically powered by large
multi-expansion steam engines, rather than smaller steam motors (but the
launches were sufficiently small and weren't used for long trips, which
allowed for the use of steam motors without having to take on
additional coal).
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Thanks!
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Not one of Patterson's best days .... 9th September 1891.
The
Cosmos with Ensign Foist returned from detached service at 3 pm, having
broken the shoe of stem casting - Beached her and repaired it. The
Pirate had struck on a rock and bent her shaft and propeller blades.
Repaired the injuries, steam was gotten up in Vixen at 6-10 and she was
sent to bring off one of the crew accidentally left near signal.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2049/IMG_9811_1.jpg
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::) A trying day for the captain's patience, I'm sure.
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What else do you expect from a crew that keeps a log book the way they do? ;)
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Indeed - just another scene in the ongoing Patterson pantomime ....
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Thetis June 30, 1907
Boarded whaling steamer "Wm Baylies," of
New Bedford, HH Bodfish, master, from San Francisco on whaling
cruise. Two of crew, John Stanila and John Rada, greenhands,
reported that they were shipped understanding it was for a fishing trip
and that they would not be more than three weeks away from San
Francisco. Sixteen of crew reported abusive and threatening
language by Captain, first and second mates of whaler. Two men,
Alfred Georgeon and C Smith, green hands, sick and requiring medical
attention.
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The other side of the story... ;)
June 30
U.S.R. Cutter Thetis came over
from the sandspit, Boarded all
the vessels this side. Dist attor
ney Landers and Marshal Evans
came on board. Lined up the
crew and heard their complaints
17 of them had some complaint
or other, but they paid no atten
tion to them,
Discharged Chas Smith and
Alfred Georgeon. Frenchman has
tertiary syphilis, and Smith
the Doctor said would only live
a few days. :(
https://static.zooniverse.org/whaling-data.oldweather.org/subjects/williambayliesst00unse_0118.jpg
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wow, that's neat it was logged on the other ship and we had their perspective too.
I thought it was an interesting commentary on the sailor's life.
Might not be that much better on Thetis. There are a lot of desertions. And drunkenness. And 'treatments.'
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It wasn't the only time these ships met :-\
July 30, 1906
U.S.R. Cutter Thetis arrived and
anchored close by about 4 a.m.
Capt. Hamlet and Lieutenant Hinckley
came on board and held an inves
tigation, on charge brought by the
Nome Golddigger a paper published in
Nome, also to investigate the death
of Ed Le Gear, on complaint of Customs
Collector Garfield of Nome. The first
was in regard to shanghaing one
Pompelly, who denied the whole thing
a, and said the man who wrote that let
ter was a forger.
They also took the sworn testimony
of the cabin boy, mate, one boatsteerer
and myself.
Went off satisfied that no inhum
an treatment had been accorded
him and everything was done properly.
Mustered all hands, read the re
port to them and asked them if
they had any complaints to make
and all answered no.
Lieutenant Hinckley was recorder.
http://whaling-data.oldweather.org/subjects/williambayliesst00unse_0059.jpg
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Sept 11, 1907, Thetis in Unalaska, Alaska
IL Scrimsher,
ordinary seaman recently transferred to this vessel from USRC "Perry"
for transfer to USS "Manning," was found to be filthy and clothes full
of vermin. To prevent spread of same among the crew, had him
thoroughly washed and clothes boiled and scrubbed, by order of the
commanding officer.
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Oh dear, oh dear - I'm scratching just at the thought of it! Clearly soap is not easily available on the Perry :o
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murder on the high seas
from Thetis Oct 24, 1908 in Unalaska
Commanding
Officer ascertained from the master of the whaling steamer "Bowhead" of
New Bedford, that he had confined on board George Gardner, a foremast
hand, under charge of having wilfully assaulted with a club Jose
Cardosa, a boat stearer, on or about August 31, 1908, while the vessel
was on the high seas, and inflicted injuries which subsequently caused
the death of the said Cordosa. He stated that he had taken the
depositions of the witnesses and would surrender them and the prisoner
to the proper authorities upon the arrival of the "Bowhead" at San
Francisco.
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the next day...
At or about 10-50 am, Deputy US Marshal CC
Harmon brought on board John R Griffith whom he had arrested as a
deserter from the steam whaler "Bowhead," which vessel sailed from this
port for San Francisco this day. Upon being questioned by the
Commanding Officer, Griffith stated that he left the "Bowhead" this
forenoon just prior to her casting off from the wharf at Dutch Harbor;
that he had previously given the master notice that he intended to
leave, and that he passed the master on the wharf after having
left. He further stated that no attempt was made to restrain him
or take him back to the vessel. He also stated that he was a
witness to the altercation between foremast hand George Gardner and Boat
stearer Jose Pardos on or about August 31, 1908, in which it is alleged
that the latter received injuries which subsequently caused his death,
and that he had advised the master of the "Bowhead" that he would
testify if favor of the accused if he was a witness at the trial.
Griffith stated that he was afraid to remain on the "Bowhead," as his
life had been threatened by one of his shipmates, who told him that he
would not live to reach San Francisco. While he did not see the
blow struck that it is claimed resulted in Cardosa's death he stated
that he had seen an altercation between the two men a very short time
previously, and that Cardosa was on top of Gardner and beating him about
the head with his fists; that Cardosa was under the influence of
liquor, and subsequently walked about the deck before going to his
quarters. In view of Griffith's statements, and considering the
fact that he was allowed to leave the vessel without hinerance, it was
decided to retain him on board and deliver him to the Federal
authorities upon the return of the "Thetis" to the States, as it would
appear that he was a material witness in the case, and that his presence
would be necessary at the trial of Gardner in order that justice might
be done.
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Forwarded this to Mark at the Archives. He's giving some admirals a
walk-through this month and they like to hear about these kinds of
historical events.
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Very interesting leelaht. I missed this first time around. It's
always exciting to get the details of this sort of thing. :D
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8am to Merid
Moderate South gales to strong SSW to SWxS breezes; overcast and cloudy to partly
clear; drizzling rain first half; rough to moderate sea. 9:00 set lower topsail. Dr. J. A.
Watkins, U.S.P.H.S., fell on dech and became delirious from shock. 9:30 took in all
sails except mainsail and spanker and hove to on course SSE, in orde tor observe con-
dition of ship's surgeon better. 11:30, ship's surgeon having become better, set lower top-
sail and foresail, jib sail and fore topmast staysail, took in fore trysail and spanker,
and went ahead full speed on course E3/4N; so ends watch.
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Laconic entry from Edinburgh Castle 7 June 1918
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40598/ADM%2053-40598-006_1.jpg
3.40pm: 50 cases sausages lowered in water by accident & recovered
I do hope the cases were waterproof - they were in Brooklyn docks
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Laconic entry from Edinburgh Castle 7 June 1918
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40598/ADM%2053-40598-006_1.jpg
3.40pm: 50 cases sausages lowered in water by accident & recovered
I do hope the cases were waterproof - they were in Brooklyn docks
Well
I like my sausages with brown sauce - but the contents of Brookly's
waterway probably isn't quite the brown sauce that I'm thinking of
:o
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I do hope the cases were waterproof - they were in Brooklyn docks
In 1918, it might have been a question as to which was more dangerous to health, the meat or the water. :o
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:o :o :o
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Oh dear .... a note attached to the log for HMS Berwick, 1st February 1919.
H.M.S. Berwick 1st February 1919. I cautioned Mr W H Riddells, Boatswain, R.N. under the following circumstances.
On
the morning of entering Bermuda Harbour December 15th 1918 this officer
failed to be on deck when the hands fell in for scrubbing decks, which
was the third occasion, to my certain knowledge, this had taken place.
On
investigation, Mr Riddells deliberately lied to me, daying he had been
on deck, which he subsequently allowed was a falsehood.
On that date I
gave him an order to be on deck invariably with hands and informed him
that if his work was properly carried out in the future I would make no
report and pass the nature of the falsehood.
In spite of this, on the
morning of January 29th 1919 Mr Riddells was absent when the hands fell
in at 5.40am and in the afternoon at 2.0pm was again absent when the
hands were being told off for their work. His appearance, on both
these latter occasions leading me to suppose Mr Riddells had been
drinking.
Generally speaking this officer?s work on in the ship
leaves much room for improvement. He shows little power of command and I
consider his knowledge of his duties as the Boatswain of one of H.M.
ships far below the average.
With a young ship?s company, composed
chiefly of hostilities only ratings the assistance which can be rendered
by a good Boatswain who makes his presence felt is of the utmost
importance.
I regret to state Mr Riddells in no way shows such qualification.
I have cautioned Mr Riddells in above terms with a view to considerable improvement being expected from him in the near future.
Signed by the Captain, and by Mr Riddells
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-35298/ADM53-35298-021_1.jpg
It's
an interesting insight into life on board ship; Berwick always has a
lot of Warrants being read, and I wonder whether Mr Riddells' lack of
competence has some impact on that.
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Probably.
However the "young ship's company, composed chiefly of hostilities only ratings" may also be significant.
I feel a bit sorry for Mr Riddells. Does he drink because he can't handle his job or can't he handle his job because he drinks?
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I remember a quote from one of the whalers where the blacksmith
legged it at the first Alaskan port. He couldn't be found and the report
couldn't be filed well because he was French and didn't speak English,
and no-one on board spoke French so no-one knew his name for the
report. These reports make me feel much more sympathetic to the
Captains who end up dealing with the outfall of all the differences that
the sailors bring with them :)
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Probably.
However the "young ship's company, composed chiefly of hostilities only ratings" may also be significant.
I feel a bit sorry for Mr Riddells. Does he drink because he can't handle his job or can't he handle his job because he drinks?
Yes,
I thought that too. And it's a big ship's company, with a high
proportion of stokers, who probably feel they've earned some bad
behaviour from time to time. I feel sorry for the Captain too - he
seems to have given Mr Riddells a fair chance to improve and it hasn't
paid off.
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Hum...
(https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/7794798/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/594258-navy-deck-logs/batch-y/Bear-AG-29-1942-09/Bear-AG-29-1942-09-0037.jpg)
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C. Ahrens. 2nd class boy, urinated in wash room; given extra watch (8-12) for one week.
(Bear, 1910)
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:o
Hopefully he now knows better! ;D
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Since we're already down here on the lower deck where there are few
delicate sensibilities, I'll pass along a passage from one of my
favorite sea-going authors, Capt. Jan de Hartog. From the chapter
'Hygene' in his book 'A Sailor's Life' (1955): "His cabin is as small as
a compartment in a third-class sleeper; the wash basin, apart from
being almost impossible to get at, is placed very high after long
experience with lazy ship's officers who don't want to go to the
toilet."
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Since
we're already down here on the lower deck where there are few delicate
sensibilities, I'll pass along a passage from one of my favorite
sea-going authors, Capt. Jan de Hartog. From the chapter 'Hygene' in his
book 'A Sailor's Life' (1955): "His cabin is as small as a compartment
in a third-class sleeper; the wash basin, apart from being almost
impossible to get at, is placed very high after long experience with
lazy ship's officers who don't want to go to the toilet."
That's why I was Air Force and not Navy!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Since
we're already down here on the lower deck where there are few delicate
sensibilities, I'll pass along a passage from one of my favorite
sea-going authors, Capt. Jan de Hartog. From the chapter 'Hygene' in his
book 'A Sailor's Life' (1955): "His cabin is as small as a compartment
in a third-class sleeper; the wash basin, apart from being almost
impossible to get at, is placed very high after long experience with
lazy ship's officers who don't want to go to the toilet."
That's why I was Air Force and not Navy!!! ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D
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That's why I was Air Force and not Navy!!! ;D ;D ;D
???
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Simple answer - female officers!!
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:) :) :)
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From Burton Island
(https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/12102081/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/594258-navy-deck-logs/00003/burton-island-agb-1-1952-08/burton-island-agb-1-1952-08-0048.jpg),
19 August 1952.
File this under Well, Duhhhh!
1931
four pound TNT blast under the ship at 50 foot depth knocked the SA and
SU radar and the AN/UQN-1B fathometer out of commission.
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From
Burton Island
(https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/12102081/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/594258-navy-deck-logs/00003/burton-island-agb-1-1952-08/burton-island-agb-1-1952-08-0048.jpg),
19 August 1952.
File this under Well, Duhhhh!
1931
four pound TNT blast under the ship at 50 foot depth knocked the SA and
SU radar and the AN/UQN-1B fathometer out of commission.
Scares the fish & the whales too!! ::)
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;D ;D ;D
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On October 25th, 1944, the Storis suffered a fire that started in the movie projector! :o
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/38547996/content/dc-metro/rg-026/587169/2017-01/storis-wmec-38-1944/storis-wmec-38-1944_0440.JPG
(20-24 watch)
I suspect nitrate film. That stuff is dangerous!
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HMS Leviathan:
6.40am: 'Sea Confused'
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46574/ADM%2053-46574-228_1.jpg
Maybe they can straighten it out??!! ::)
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This
is waves of irregular heights, wavelengths and direction. Occasionally
observed after seismic disturbance but more often caused by a conflict
of wind, tide and/or current in relatively shallow water. Deeply
annoying to yachtsmen, shouldn't bother a ship much unless they are very
severe.
Yup! Been there, done that, black and blue marks to prove it. VERY annoying to Yachtsmen and women.
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HMS Leviathan:
6.40am: 'Sea Confused'
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46574/ADM%2053-46574-228_1.jpg
Maybe they can straighten it out??!! ::)
Yes, that one makes me smile, too! :)
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"Yorktown," searching for shipwrecked Panamanian ship "Taboga,"
found some survivors on shore and brought them on board. In
addition...
Sotero Diaz, a native living on shore, was also received on board, he having given all his provisions to the shipwrecked people.
I hope he was rewarded for his sacrifice.
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"Yorktown,"
searching for shipwrecked Panamanian ship "Taboga," found some
survivors on shore and brought them on board. In addition...
Sotero Diaz, a native living on shore, was also received on board, he having given all his provisions to the shipwrecked people.
I hope he was rewarded for his sacrifice.
I'll say 'Here, here!' to that leelaht :D
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Worse things happen .... possibly. Blenheim's log for 20th
March 1917 has a part of the log blacked out, and a note saying it has
been ?Expunged by order of V.A.E. M.S. 32A on 16 April 1917'. I
don't suppose we'll ever know what's underneath :( :(
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35575/0152_0.jpg
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How frustrating! That's well and truly blacked out >:(
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I reckon a good forensic scientist could get there. If you look
carefully at the RHS then you can see the blurry outline of some
letters. If you enlarge the image a touch and squint then you get a
sense of line spacing. So, fiddle around with the wavelengths and some
serious image processing and I wouldn't be amazed if you could get the
gist of it. Mind you, whether the National Archives would let you is a
totally different question.
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I was thinking much the same thing.
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Oh frustration of frustrations! I opened the page in Irfanview
and got some sense of some writing, but they certainly have done a good
job on it. Even tried seeing if you could read it through the previous
page...no joy ::) ;) ;D
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I think you would have to work with the original page...
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You also play with the lighting either by playing with the angle,
wavelength or both. You can sometimes pick it up by looking at the
surface profile as well - pen nibs indent the paper. After all,
sometimes forensic scientists pick up some writing from the blank page
beneath and palimpsests have yielded the only record of early
literature, history and religious texts.
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I should have anticipated a flurry of ideas about how to get round
this small problem! Very impressed at all the expertise on show,
but sadly without access to the original page I suspect it's going to
remain a mystery. My guess would be something about an individual,
but I could be entirely wrong. There's also a very hard to read
encounter with a zeppelin (I think) right down at the bottom of the page
- why they had to come over when there were so little page left to
write it all up in, I can't think!
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I did try to manipulate the image with Sheen, though did not go so
far as to try Photoshop. I expect a forensic scientist with
state-of-the-art equipment would be able to help us. Does anybody
know a tame one?!
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I
did try to manipulate the image with Sheen, though did not go so far as
to try Photoshop. I expect a forensic scientist with
state-of-the-art equipment would be able to help us. Does anybody
know a tame one?!
Angela
on Bones. She'd have it done in about a millisecond. Hodgkins would
look at the particulates and tell what they had for supper the day the
log was written. And Brennan would look at the handwriting and notice
that the logkeeper had one finger that was abnormally long, and so he
had a certain genetic condition related to people who hailed from New
Guinea, and she would look at the list of crew and tell us which person
wrote the log. ;D ;D ;D
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I
did try to manipulate the image with Sheen, though did not go so far as
to try Photoshop. I expect a forensic scientist with
state-of-the-art equipment would be able to help us. Does anybody
know a tame one?!
Angela
on Bones. She'd have it done in about a millisecond. Hodgkins would
look at the particulates and tell what they had for supper the day the
log was written. And Brennan would look at the handwriting and notice
that the logkeeper had one finger that was abnormally long, and so he
had a certain genetic condition related to people who hailed from New
Guinea, and she would look at the list of crew and tell us which person
wrote the log. ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D
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It MAY need the original but
we have been working here trying
to decipher the writings on a bunch of music Band Organ Rolls that were
labeled in #2 pencil in the early 1900's. Needless to say they faded!
The Art Restoration Dept at the local College used infrared & photoed the rolls. Some good success!!
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Fountain pen looks like? I was wondering if its imprinted on the back of the page from the nib...
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Not worse, but raised a smile. On Blenheim, 5th August 1917, Mudros.
10.15am: Church parties from Valhalla and M22
I hadn't realised Valhalla was so ecumenical!
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35575/0233_1.jpg
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;D
Now a church party to Valhalla...
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Maybe the following week? Haven't got that far yet.
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Yorktown Jan 6, 1919
At 5:30, Redwine DS (Engle) received a
lacerated wound on the forehead about 3 1-2 inches long, caused by being
struck by an ice box which broke adrift, the ship rolling heavily at
the time, he sleeping on deck beside same, this in line of duty.
ouch, a rude awakening!
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I'm glad he wasn't in trouble for sleeping in the wrong place, as well as wounded by a loose ice box....
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Ummmm - I'm not sure that the quartermaster doesn't have a wicked
sense of humour, asking people to sleep right next to ice boxes.
:o
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Not exactly my idea of a mutiny but.... ???
Revenue Steamer Bear
1899-07-30
St. Micheals
6:00 PM
observed
the American Bark "Agate" of San Francisco, Hansen, master, coal,
flying International Signal (DKR) mutiny. Sent officer and master of
arms to her and found one man Geo. Miner, Seamen refusing duty when
ordered to man boat. At request of master put Geo. Miner in irons and
confined him in fore hold.
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919225/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol081/26-159A-bear-vol081_093.jpg
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Imagine what it's like having your misdemeanors publicized to every
ship around thanks to the flags being hoisted...ouch! :o ::)
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Bear 20th October 1895 Dutch Harbor Alaska
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919220/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol076/26-159A-bear-vol076_185.jpg
At
12.20a.m cries of distress were heard at entrance of harbor. Sent
dinghy and cutter to render assistance and on reaching locality found
2nd. Lieut. G.M. Daniels and Surgeon Thos. Bodkin holding on to keel of
overturned boat. On returning from Unalaska their boat had
accidentally capsized, and when rescued were almost exhausted from their
struggles, and long submergence in the cold water.
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Bear 20th October 1895 Dutch Harbor Alaska
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919220/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol076/26-159A-bear-vol076_185.jpg
At
12.20a.m cries of distress were heard at entrance of harbor. Sent
dinghy and cutter to render assistance and on reaching locality found
2nd. Lieut. G.M. Daniels and Surgeon Thos. Bodkin holding on to keel of
overturned boat. On returning from Unalaska their boat had
accidentally capsized, and when rescued were almost exhausted from their
struggles, and long submergence in the cold water.
:o Well that's embarrassing for sure - two senior officers in the drink with an upturned boat?
I can't help thinking that there must be a joke in there somewhere given the name of the Surgeon. :D
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Bear 29 May 1894
(https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919218/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol075/26-159A-bear-vol075_044.jpg)
4-8PM
Carpenter wedged wash-board in propeller well to prevent its working.
Hmmm... to stop the propeller, or to prevent having to do the washing? ;)
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Strange indeed!
They did washing in the morning...
Why would they want to stop the propeller from working?
Was the carpenter acting on orders or is this a record of his misdeeds?
Stay tuned...
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;D ;D ;D
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Bear 20th October 1895 Dutch Harbor Alaska
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919220/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol076/26-159A-bear-vol076_185.jpg
At
12.20a.m cries of distress were heard at entrance of harbor. Sent
dinghy and cutter to render assistance and on reaching locality found
2nd. Lieut. G.M. Daniels and Surgeon Thos. Bodkin holding on to keel of
overturned boat. On returning from Unalaska their boat had
accidentally capsized, and when rescued were almost exhausted from their
struggles, and long submergence in the cold water.
:o Well that's embarrassing for sure - two senior officers in the drink with an upturned boat?
I can't help thinking that there must be a joke in there somewhere given the name of the Surgeon. :D
I
think the story goes " I'd rather be in the boat with a drink on the
rocks than in the drink with a boat on the rocks.' ::)
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I
think the story goes " I'd rather be in the boat with a drink on the
rocks than in the drink with a boat on the rocks.' ::)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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8am June 28, 1884 Corwin.
The lanyard to marine glasses parts
whist 1st lieutenant was aloft and they fell to the deck injuring them
so as to be of little use.
Wow! :o that must have made someones day. ;D
I wonder if they could see there way to forgive them.
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:P
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Only if they could focus on the positive! ::)
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Revenue Cutter Bear
1899-09-04
Norton Sound
6:30 AM
Noted white flag in water 1/4 mile, abeam
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919225/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol081/26-159A-bear-vol081_129.jpg
Someone surrendered? ::) ::) ;D
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;D ;D ;D
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8am June 28, 1884 Corwin.
The
lanyard to marine glasses parts whist 1st lieutenant was aloft and they
fell to the deck injuring them so as to be of little use.
Wow! :o that must have made someones day. ;D
I wonder if they could see there way to forgive them.
Things
falling from aloft -- we were in a tropical thunderstorm on the SSV
Corwith Cramer and got struck by lightning. Exploded the HF antenna on
top of the mast, leaving the 30lb coupler to free-fall about 100 feet to
the deck, narrowly missing the 2nd mate and leaving quite a divot in
the deck. The captain had just previously sent all the students below,
so nobody got killed. Also, the compass was 'thunderstruck' as whalers
and Melville called it, and no longer pointed N (or anywhere very
specifically).
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Nothing like having someone with real experience! ;D
Corwith Cramer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corwith_Cramer_(ship))
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Wow!
Good thinking on the part of the captain to get people below!
Years
ago, when I was a meteorologist with the Canadian Armed Forces in
Germany, there was a big thunderstorm moving towards our base. When our
weather observer, Rick, was out taking his observation he noticed a
German working on the radio tower. It was about 40 feet high. Rick told
the worker to get off the tower, but the worked just ignored him. When
Rick came into the office, he told me to get the worker of the tower.
"You're an officer, he'll listen to you," Rick said.
So,
I went down and told the worker to get off the tower. He wouldn't, and
so I tapped the epaulets on my shoulder and told him to get down, NOW!
The
man climbed down the tower, and when he was about ten feet from the
tower it was hit by a massive lightning strike! The worker just looked
at me in awe and, I have to admit, I felt like a weather god! ;D
I
reported Rick's actions to our colonel and Rick got a commendation of
some sort. Had it not been for him, that worker would have been killed,
either by the lightning or the fall.
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Great stories!
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I'll second jil - great stories :D
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Third ;)
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And fourth - and as ever, making me very glad to be getting all this excitement second hand from the safety of my desk!
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Thunder is just the noise,
Lightning does the work.
Sheila Truesdell
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Very great stories indeed!
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Revenue Cutter Bear
1899-05-27
Salish Sea
5:23 PM
buoy off Pt. Wilson headed W1/2S
;D ;D :o
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919225/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol081/26-159A-bear-vol081_029.jpg
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Vessel under steam full speed.
Come Baaack!
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Return from the future?
HMS Laburnum, at Thursday Island.
3.30pm: Despatched search party in launch to look for Petty Officer A???ke
4.00pm: Landed cricket party
4.30pm: Launch returned with Petty Officer from Friday Island
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-79574/0066_0.jpg
I suspect he may not have been the only one to go a bit astray; on the following day I found.
7.00am: Four absentees
10.00am: Four absentees returned on board
11.25am: Cleared Lower Deck. Everybody aft. Captain addressed ship's company, with reference to behaviour ashore.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-79574/0066_1.jpg
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Too many Boiler-Makers??? ;D ;D ::) :-[
1900-05-28
Dutch Harbor
9AM to 4PM
Str. Portland passed out
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919226/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol082/26-159A-bear-vol082_039.jpg
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;D ;D ;D
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Fetch the smelling salts then... ;D ;D ;D
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;D ;D ;D ;D
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I was looking up things to do with walruses when I happened upon
this amusing clip (well - not so amusing if you owned the boat)
Walrus sinks boat (https://www.youtube.com/embed/Bz24lD7K4ks)
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Great find Joan - I wonder what the insurance company made of
it? And in passing, I thought what a splendidly OW opening 'I was
looking up things to do with walruses' is ....
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... I though what a splendidly OW opening 'I was looking up things to do with walruses' is ....
I hadn't spotted my OW-ed mind at work there HelenJ - it's giving me a good chortle ;D
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I suspect we only notice it when it's someone else. My current obsession is wharves in Auckland in 1922 ....
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The thing to do with walruses is ....
"To talk of many things"
;)
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I suspect we only notice it when it's someone else. My current obsession is wharves in Auckland in 1922 ....
Coaling stations along the N and NW coast of Alaska in the late 1880s.
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The thing to do with walruses is ....
"To talk of many things"
;)
...Of Cabbages and Kings ;D
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The thing to do with walruses is ....
"To talk of many things"
;)
...Of Cabbages and Kings ;D
And then eat oysters! ;D
(Although I might suggest mussels instead. They taste better.)
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1900-06-23
Egg Island
Sick
report:- Brought on board from Unalakleet a man who had accidentally
shot himself in right arm with shot gun, between elbow and shoulder,
time of accident yesterday afternoon. Bone so shattered and muscular
tissue so lacuated that Dr Gambell of reindeer station found amputation
necessary, which he performed at 12:00 last night. Patient brought on
board at 4 pm and made as comfortable as possible in petty officers
quarters.
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919226/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol082/26-159A-bear-vol082_065.jpg
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Oh that must have been so grim. However much I hear about it, old
fashioned amputations really scare me. I guess that they at least had
some decent anaesthetic around and antisceptic at this time
:-\
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The crew of Laburnum seem to have celebrated Christmas in Auckland a little too enthusiastically .... (December 26th, 1922)
10.50am: 1 stoker and escort left for police station
1.30pm: 1 stoker and escort returned on board
2.00pm: 2 stokers and escort landed for police station
4.10pm: Escort returned onboard. Stokers released.
6.00pm: Placed Stoker Petty Officer under open arrest; returning on board drunk
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-79575/0043_1.jpg
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;D ;D ;D