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Title: Thetis (1888) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Randi on September 27, 2018, 09:20:58 am
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June (https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/7284499/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-024/581208-noaa/118/thetis/vol006of024/24-118-thetis-vol006_140.jpg)
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This year was transcribed during OW3, so we are only doing Ice Hunting.

For images where the Tracker column is green, please enter: date; 8am, noon, and 8pm locations, the hourly courses and distances; and on the events page enter reports of ice, location information, and sailing information.

For distance, we want Knots and Tenths. However, if Knots and Tenths were not entered but Reading of Patent Log was, please enter that.
Title: Re: Thetis (1888) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Randi on September 27, 2018, 01:14:31 pm
Ice Hunting Guide (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4690.0)
Using the Tracker for Ice Hunting (Provisional) (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4821.0)
Ask Questions Here (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4826.0)


OW web site: Thetis (https://sites.google.com/view/owfaq/ships/shipyard/thetis)

Direct links
Title: Re: Thetis (1888) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Randi on September 27, 2018, 01:14:43 pm
Reserved
Title: Re: Thetis (1888) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Randi on September 27, 2018, 01:14:50 pm
Reserved
Title: Re: Thetis (1888) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Pommy Stuart on October 06, 2018, 07:04:08 pm
Starting tomorrow.
Title: Re: Thetis (1888) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Michael on October 07, 2018, 01:38:08 am
 :) :) :)
Title: Re: Thetis (1888) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Pommy Stuart on October 09, 2018, 01:21:45 am
April, May, June, July all  NO ICE.   :(
Title: Re: Thetis (1888) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Pommy Stuart on October 12, 2018, 06:24:57 pm
Instruments Thetis July 31 1884.

https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/7284500/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-024/581208-noaa/118/thetis/vol007of024/24-118-thetis-vol007_004.jpg (https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/7284500/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-024/581208-noaa/118/thetis/vol007of024/24-118-thetis-vol007_004.jpg)

Randi.
So long since I had an Instrument page forgot where it goes.
Title: Re: Thetis (1888) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Randi on October 12, 2018, 06:34:38 pm
Here is good although it is already in Barometers, Instrumentation and Specifications by Ship - Phase 3 (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3456.msg94706;topicseen#msg94706).
Title: Re: Thetis (1888) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Pommy Stuart on October 12, 2018, 08:52:29 pm
Help please with some words. mainly the ones which I think are port looks like bort and also pack looks like back.
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/7284500/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-024/581208-noaa/118/thetis/vol007of024/24-118-thetis-vol007_016.jpg (https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/7284500/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-024/581208-noaa/118/thetis/vol007of024/24-118-thetis-vol007_016.jpg)
7am
Sighted ice pack on port bow abeam on horizon. Land on starboard bow abeam.
8am to merid. End of line 4
Land in sight on starboard beam & the main ice pack in the port bow, beam &  quarter.
4:30pm Hauled in Pat log on account of ice.

https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/7284500/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-024/581208-noaa/118/thetis/vol007of024/24-118-thetis-vol007_018.jpg (https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/7284500/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-024/581208-noaa/118/thetis/vol007of024/24-118-thetis-vol007_018.jpg)
8am to merid. Line 5.
At end of watch ice pack visible from 2 points off port? to _? off starboard bow distance about 5 miles.

Title: Re: Thetis (1888) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Randi on October 12, 2018, 09:23:09 pm
I agree with your reading except for two very minor points:

The missing word may be broad:
At end of watch ice pack visible from 2 points off port to broad off starboard bow distance about 5 miles.


See Relative bearings in OWpedia (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3209.msg95475#msg95475) ;)
Title: Re: Thetis (1888) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Pommy Stuart on October 13, 2018, 01:15:27 pm
Help again please.
I have no idea what the word is. Looks like blink. (Thought it could be bank but it has to many letters.)
Maybe the sun blinks of the ice in the distance??

https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/7284500/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-024/581208-noaa/118/thetis/vol007of024/24-118-thetis-vol007_021.jpg (https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/7284500/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-024/581208-noaa/118/thetis/vol007of024/24-118-thetis-vol007_021.jpg)

two places.
Last line 8am to merid
..."Jane Grey" - Ice blink to the Northwest.

last line 8pm-mid
Strong ice blink to Westward.

See also next page first line midr to 4am. The line reads
Ice blink to the Northward and Westward during watch, but no ice in sight from crows nest.
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/7284500/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-024/581208-noaa/118/thetis/vol007of024/24-118-thetis-vol007_022.jpg (https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/7284500/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-024/581208-noaa/118/thetis/vol007of024/24-118-thetis-vol007_022.jpg)
Again TIA
Title: Re: Thetis (1888) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Randi on October 13, 2018, 01:32:10 pm
blink it is: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3432.msg55503#msg55503
Title: Re: Thetis (1888) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Pommy Stuart on October 13, 2018, 01:45:53 pm
Thanks.
Forgot about that link.
Now bookmarked.
Title: Re: Thetis (1888) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Pommy Stuart on October 15, 2018, 01:37:09 pm
The Thetis has spent a lot of time towing and fixing up the wreck of the Schooner "Jane Grey".
Being a service vessel would the crew of the Thetis get salvage rights?

That famous search engine does not seem to return anything about the vessel.
Title: Re: Thetis (1888) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Randi on October 15, 2018, 01:56:31 pm
Lots of information for 10 years later :P :-[ :-[ :-[
However, it does note that she had been wrecked before.

https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1898/06/02/102073479.html?action=click&contentCollection=Archives&module=ArticleEndCTA&region=ArchiveBody&pgtype=article&pageNumber=7

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83045604/1898-06-01/ed-4/seq-1/

Quote from: http://thejanegray.com/The_Jane_Gray/Story.html
Was it "Wholesale Murder," or just another shipwreck?
Funded by Prince Luigi of Italy, Major Ingraham set sail for the Alaska gold fields in the spring of 1898. In addition to the first superintendent of Seattle schools, the people on board included the first mayor of Bremerton, the owner of the Snohomish Eye, University of Washington football players, several friends of Prince Luigi, a missionary family, and a myriad of other well-known men.


Three days after the schooner Jane Gray departed Seattle, the ship went down in a moderate gale - hardly a storm that should sink a "staunch and seaworthy" whaler in a "hatful of wind."


Only twenty-seven of the sixty-four on board survived. In the aftermath of the wreck, the entire community was shocked and grief-stricken. Some of the survivors mounted a search for the missing, while others sought restitution from the powerful MacDougall and Southwick outfitting firm.


Ownership of the vessel came into question and a nasty, protracted legal battle ensued, revealing fraud, deceit and corruption at every turn. Rumors and speculation as to the cause of the disaster consumed conversations around the world. She'd been wrecked before. Was she a "hoo-doo," cursed with sailor's superstition? Or were MacDougall and Southwick at fault?


Some 1888 info here:

https://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=DAC18880907.2.3&e=-------en--20--1--txt-txIN--------1

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030272/1888-09-08/ed-1/seq-1/

https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn82014381/1888-10-10/ed-1/seq-1/
(Second or third column, depending how you count the double width column, near the bottom)
"The vessel having been picked up derelict by a United States vessel, becomes the property of the Government. She is worth $20,000."


https://library.alaska.gov/hist/hist_docs/finding_aids/PCA027.pdf
Title: Re: Thetis (1888) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Pommy Stuart on October 15, 2018, 03:16:29 pm
Thank you.
The Thetis found Lady Grey 12 Aug and after some work on her towed her back to Port Clarence (8 Sept) where more work was done and a crew put on her. No mention as to what happened to her after that.

You have an amazing access to info. I often do not know the key words to enter.
The link https://library.alaska.gov/hist/hist_docs/finding_aids/PCA027.pdf would be interesting if one could see the photographs mentioned.
Title: Re: Thetis (1888) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Pommy Stuart on October 23, 2018, 01:25:11 pm
FINISHED 1888.

Taking 10 days shore leave.
Title: Re: Thetis (1888) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Randi on October 23, 2018, 03:07:32 pm
Good work!
Enjoy your shore leave, but don't get into trouble ;D
Title: Re: Thetis (1888) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Michael on October 23, 2018, 03:14:43 pm
Quote from: Randi on October 23, 2018, 03:07:32 pm
Good work!
Enjoy your shore leave, but don't get into trouble ;D

Ditto on good work and enjoying leave. But, as you were a member of the Concord, I expect you to get into lots and lots of trouble.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Thetis (1888) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Pommy Stuart on October 23, 2018, 03:44:49 pm
Quote from: mapurves on October 23, 2018, 03:14:43 pm
Quote from: Randi on October 23, 2018, 03:07:32 pm
Good work!
Enjoy your shore leave, but don't get into trouble ;D

Ditto on good work and enjoying leave. But, as you were a member of the Concord, I expect you to get into lots and lots of trouble.  ;D ;D ;D

Open bar on the train, the rest I have to pay for.
Wife has my leg irons in the case.
Title: Re: Thetis (1888) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Michael on October 23, 2018, 03:54:21 pm
 :) :) :)
Title: Re: Thetis (1888) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Randi on December 03, 2018, 11:25:51 am
Quote from: Pommy Stuart on October 15, 2018, 03:16:29 pm
The link https://library.alaska.gov/hist/hist_docs/finding_aids/PCA027.pdf would be interesting if one could see the photographs mentioned.

Here they are:
A summer on the Thetis, 1888 (http://vilda.alaska.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/cdmg21/id/4039/show/1145)
Title: Re: Thetis (1888) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Pommy Stuart on December 03, 2018, 03:22:34 pm
Thanks Randi.
Nice bit of background to the lives of the crew on board and where they visited.

In 150yrs time our holiday snaps from a modern cruise ship will look like those.
Title: Re: Thetis (1888) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Randi on December 03, 2018, 05:04:07 pm
Preparing to right the vessel JANE GRAY: Man standing on hull of capsized ship; icebergs in water.  (http://vilda.alaska.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/cdmg21/id/2681/rec/1)
Title: Re: Thetis (1888) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Michael on December 03, 2018, 05:24:21 pm
Wow!  Those logs weren't fake news after all...  ;D
Title: Re: Thetis (1888) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Michael on December 04, 2018, 05:25:01 pm
The voyage for 1888 has been completed. You can see the voyage here (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1g-5IOwC15yccIOYambzagwzGVjr8jnaI).
Title: Re: Thetis (1888) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Randi on December 04, 2018, 05:42:30 pm
Good job everyone!