Maybe we should do a "Top Ten" list of signs that you may be addicted to OW...How can 3 still be 'Light Airs'?
#10 You spend more time on the forum than you do transcribing.
#9 When someone asks you, "How's the weather?," you respond "Light Airs, 3, bc..."
Anyone want to add a few of their own?
Maybe we should do a "Top Ten" list of signs that you may be addicted to OW...
#10 You spend more time on the forum than you do transcribing.
#9 When someone asks you, "How's the weather?," you respond "Light Airs, 3, bc..."
Maybe we should do a "Top Ten" list of signs that you may be addicted to OW...How can 3 still be 'Light Airs'?
#10 You spend more time on the forum than you do transcribing.
#9 When someone asks you, "How's the weather?," you respond "Light Airs, 3, bc..."
Anyone want to add a few of their own?
# 8 When you giggle while reading #9 + comments ! :DMaybe we should do a "Top Ten" list of signs that you may be addicted to OW...How can 3 still be 'Light Airs'?
#10 You spend more time on the forum than you do transcribing.
#9 When someone asks you, "How's the weather?," you respond "Light Airs, 3, bc..."
Anyone want to add a few of their own?
OOPS! My mistake!
Maybe we should do a "Top Ten" list of signs that you may be addicted to OW...How can 3 still be 'Light Airs'?
#10 You spend more time on the forum than you do transcribing.
#9 When someone asks you, "How's the weather?," you respond "Light Airs, 3, bc..."
Anyone want to add a few of their own?
# 3 - when you refer to "my" ship and use "we" to discuss what is going on, on the ship.
yours -
Kathy W.
I am going to [try to] move these signs of OW addiction to a separate thread.Oh so that's what happened! You really managed to confuse me there, because I was reading page 8 of the thread and when I tried to go back to page 7, there were only two posts and page 8 had gone. I was about to report it as a bug, actually. ;D
Stand by. ;D
Add husband and son to #7, not just wife and daughter - it should probably be "spouse and children threaten grave bodily harm if you attempt to talk about the project." My family does not want to hear about the Foxglove or any other ship for that matter - even though my husband thought the hankie pankie on the Patia was funny. ;D#2 You feel flattered on hearing that a fellow transcriber's husband found the goings-on on "your" ship entertaining. :P
Letting cats out and telling them to patrol as requisite.Well, as long as your cats don't start dragging in Glaswegian ladies of the night through the cat-flap when they return...;)
Muttering about proceeding to the shops for provisions.It's funny how those phrases vary between writers, though, isn't it? The log-keeper on the Patia has recently changed, and the new guy keeps using the phrase 'Watch relieved' and every time I come across it, I keep wanting to ask 'Watch relieved about what?'. It's a bit frustrating, actually.
Saying you are complete with fuel.
I wonder if an old fashioned garage where they come out and fill you up while you sit in could be " coaling with native labour"?That would depend on whether the 'labourer' was born in (or in the general vicinity of) the garage, though, no? Otherwise he couldn't really be classified as 'native'.
K
I wonder if an old fashioned garage where they come out and fill you up while you sit in could be " coaling with native labour"?
K
I wonder if an old fashioned garage where they come out and fill you up while you sit in could be " coaling with native labour"?
K
Does such exist anymore, outside of New Jersey?
It MATTERS when a ship is refered to as 'he' and whether the log reads 'Anchor Away' or 'Anchor Aweigh'.
When you stay up way past your bedtime because you promised yourself you'd get to the end of March today...
When you stay up way past your bedtime because you promised yourself you'd get to the end of March today...
Corollary: When you keep changing the goal. For example,"I'll stop after this page,oh, wait, I'll stop at 4 pm (in 10 more minutes), oh, but there are only 3 more days in the month, oh, but then I'm at the end of the log, so might as well go through the miscellaneous pages at the end, oh, I'll just check the next page to see if there's anything interesting so I know what to expect tomorrow, oh, maybe I should check the forum one last time, oh look, there's a new message from ..." ::)
Cannot consider transcribing on another site (GalaxyZoo, the Bentham Project), because it would be "disloyal" to OW.
Plus, if you do, someone will overtake you in the rankings!Or worse still, there might be a mutiny on 'your' ship and somebody else might become captain. Mustn't have that.;)
Your worst nightmare is when OW will run out of pages.;D
You actually understand these jokes and think their funny. ;)
I've only been on for about 2 weeks, and I think I'm all ready addicted! I've gotten about 196 pages and my ranking is about 341 (sure to go up when updated!) I don't know if this is good or not, but it does show how quick OW can pull you in!
Although this probably only applies to me:
Using Old Weather as an excuse to procrastinate your homework. ;D
;D lolAlthough this probably only applies to me:
Using Old Weather as an excuse to procrastinate your homework. ;D
Using Old Weather as an excuse to procrastinate your HOUSEwork. ;D
Your worst nightmare is when OW will run out of pages.
I guess I can sleep soundly for the rest of the year. ;DYour worst nightmare is when OW will run out of pages.
You may already have seen this, but if not, now you can stop having nightmares for awhile (insomnia on the other hand...)
http://blogs.zooniverse.org/oldweather/2011/02/old-weather-sails-on/
You stay up an hour past your intended bed-time, trying to fend off some upstart who's simultaneously transcribing, trying to steal your position of first lieutenant from you. And you feel mighty pleased with yourself when you win the struggle.;)
Worrying about missing what everyone else is saying, when you know no one can say anything to miss!
Trying to get on at 1:00 am local time, because hey, the site is hosted in England and it is at least 6 hours ahead, and the work day has begun, so they may have gotten everything fixed.
;D
Kathy W.
You start setting yourself silly targets along the lines of 'I want to get to January 1917 by the end of the week' and then feel smug if you manage to exceed them or annoyed if you don't because Real Life gets in the way.;)
You shout "House" when you get a set of temperatures that are all the same.
See the entry for 8pm.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53215/ADM%2053-53215-011_0.jpg
This is really sad I know, but Odin has been stuck in Port Ibrahim on refit for months with the dreaded Lieut Ditto on logs and I am bored.
Sorry
K
You shout "House" when you get a set of temperatures that are all the same.
See the entry for 8pm.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53215/ADM%2053-53215-011_0.jpg
This is really sad I know, but Odin has been stuck in Port Ibrahim on refit for months with the dreaded Lieut Ditto on logs and I am bored.
Sorry
K
I always half-expect to hear the sound of coins falling out of the fruit-machine because I've hit the jackpot when that happens! That, of course, was back in the days before I started on the Wonganella who does not seem to have any thermometers on board at all.
How did you guess!!!I had his little brother, Sub-Lieut Sporadic Ditto on board the Patia for several months... He absolutely refused to write down the same thing twice in the same column, and they were doing at least 12 readings per day during that time, so often the left-hand side of the page would looks something like this:
Wly 1 oc 29.98 / 52At the time I'd have given anything for him to be lost overboard by an idiot... :(
" " " " "
W " " " "
" " " " "
" 1/2 " 29.97 / 49
" " " " "
" " " " "
Var " bc " "
" " " 29.92 / 49
" " " 29.93 / 49
" " " " "
E " " " "
I offer this both as a sign of my own addiction and as a slight hope for those as hopelessly addicted as I am who may become separated from their computers access to the internet.
I have been away in Poland for a couple of days with work. For various reasons I had no internet access via my laptop.
I managed fairly easily to get to the forum via my mobile phone. I didnt try to post.
I then actually tried to transcribe from my phone. This was more from interest than because I needed to do it honest!!!
I definitely dont recommend it and I didnt reach the end of a page or save, but it is possible so if you are really desperate for a fix there is hope.
K
I've tried from my Ipod Touch, but it doesn't work. You can't move the boxes around.I offer this both as a sign of my own addiction and as a slight hope for those as hopelessly addicted as I am who may become separated from their computers access to the internet.
I have been away in Poland for a couple of days with work. For various reasons I had no internet access via my laptop.
I managed fairly easily to get to the forum via my mobile phone. I didnt try to post.
I then actually tried to transcribe from my phone. This was more from interest than because I needed to do it honest!!!
I definitely dont recommend it and I didnt reach the end of a page or save, but it is possible so if you are really desperate for a fix there is hope.
K
wow - you are a braver man than I, Gunga Din - I have only read the forum from my iPod touch - not tried to post or transcribe ;D
Kathy W.
Now I know I'm definitely addicted; I'm in South Korea, without my laptop, but when I was offered the use of a notebook the first thing I did after checking my e-mails (having got the computer to speak and write English!) was to log on to the forum for my fix of 'worse things happening at sea' and questions about strange symbols. Haven't tried to transcribe yet, but there's still time if I get a quiet day ...
A sign of addiction maybe trawling through the OW records for 'my' ship to write a detailed history for the ship on Wikipedia - only for it to be savagely edited by some Wiki-snob who moans that the OW ship's logs shouldn't really be used because they are a primary historical source ???
A whole week without a computer - and without Old Weather - it doesn't bear thinking about!
As for how the forum was doing while you were away - well, we were up to all sorts, Janet - just can't be trusted on our own! ;D
Do I count as addicted if I buy a number-pad keyboard so that I can work on OW while traveling with my laptop? I look like such a geek (and proudly admit that I am one!) but the numbers across the top are so slow to use, and I'm terribly prone to errors without a numberpad.
You put on a final spurt of effort to get to the end of the ship you have been working on since day one, which meant even less time in the garden etc.
Then when you reach the end of that journey you say "Phew, time for a bit of a rest from OW."
But by the afternoon of the same day you are already just having a little look around for the next ship and just transcribing a couple of pages to see what it feels like.
And by bed time you have done over 100 entries on her.
Well actually I still have two on the go, so I was looking for a third, but I just wasnt ready to admit that yet.
K
I have a weekend ship (which doesn't get too much time), but I worry that people will do MY pages on MY weekday (main) ship while I'm working on it. Last weekend I stuck with my main ship :-[. When I finish my weekday ship, I will make my weekend ship my main ship.
I have a weekend ship (which doesn't get too much time), but I worry that people will do MY pages on MY weekday (main) ship while I'm working on it. Last weekend I stuck with my main ship :-[. When I finish my weekday ship, I will make my weekend ship my main ship.
So you've got a wife and a mistress, but you'd be upset if your wife had an affair? ;D
In my case it would be a husband and a lover ;D
I have a weekend ship (which doesn't get too much time), but I worry that people will do MY pages on MY weekday (main) ship while I'm working on it. Last weekend I stuck with my main ship :-[. When I finish my weekday ship, I will make my weekend ship my main ship.
So you've got a wife and a mistress, but you'd be upset if your wife had an affair? ;D
In my case it would be a husband and a lover ;D
However, having neither, I can concentrate on my ships! From what I see and hear, the ships are much less trouble ;).
I have a weekend ship (which doesn't get too much time), but I worry that people will do MY pages on MY weekday (main) ship while I'm working on it. Last weekend I stuck with my main ship :-[. When I finish my weekday ship, I will make my weekend ship my main ship.
So you've got a wife and a mistress, but you'd be upset if your wife had an affair? ;D
Kathy, "that tart the Venus" is doing a very good impression of appearing innocent and positively holy, in Aden in July 1918.Clearly the Mothers Union lgb
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38080/ADM%2053-38080-006_1.jpg
10.00 C of E church party to Venus.
K
Maybe we've just been hurt by too many ships in the past - you start off slowly, you build up a relationship, suddenly you find she's all you're thinking about, and you can't bear time away from her. Then, just when things are going so well, the voyage is over and you're left all alone. Perhaps, subconsciously, we just don't want to open ourselves up to that sort of hurt again?
:D
I am now the proud owner of a teak letter-opener purporting to be made from salvaged timber when the Vindictive was raised at Ostend after the war. It is very exciting to think I have my own little piece of the ship.
It arrived in a package addressed:
Susan Startin
(VINDICTIVE LETTER OPENER)
Heaven knows what my postman made of that! ;D
You read an article about obsessive compulsive disorder and keep thinking "overcast, detached clouds, drizzle."And have a sudden urge to get back to transcribing ;)
I AM going to try AncientLives - just as soon as I finish my voyage on Avoca.
No - just a little variety.
And the generous leave provision is not a deterrent, either.
In case I forget, nearer the time, enjoy your next holiday. Just the two pupils this time? The ones in your eyes?
when you check the doors and windows at night to make sure everything is locked and then you mutter to yourself "Rounds Correct"
YES!when you check the doors and windows at night to make sure everything is locked and then you mutter to yourself "Rounds Correct"
Good one. ;D
For girls. Bee, Hollyhock, Caroline, Columbella, Diana, Clio, Constance, Sapphire, Una or Venus.
The sooner he learns Hands to make and mend the better!
You know, Requisite might be a nice name...
Or you could just call him ocprqlt (pronounced 'terrible weather'), which has the added benefit of horribly confusing all of his future teachers ;D
I am beginning to feel sorry for this young gentlemen, because of the company his mother keeps. He certainly can't be blamed for remaining at his present location. ;D
Ah well, back to signs of OW Addiction:
For your retirement present, you ask for - and receive - "A Naval History of World War I".
Definitive Proof! ;D
This is all of my voyage on Avoca and some of Bristol and Lancaster. I'm still working on the last two.
(In some cases there are many places with the same or similar names. I didn't list a place unless I was fairly sure it was correct for that ship and date, but the match may not apply to another ship and/or date.)
Moderators: feel free to move this to another location.
Definitive Proof! ;D
This is all of my voyage on Avoca and some of Bristol and Lancaster. I'm still working on the last two.
(In some cases there are many places with the same or similar names. I didn't list a place unless I was fairly sure it was correct for that ship and date, but the match may not apply to another ship and/or date.)
Moderators: feel free to move this to another location.
Wow, that looks like a LOT of work! I think this tops the list in my opinion.
Estudiaste espanol en escuela? Yo tambien! Pero esta muy flojo ahora mismo... :'(
Definitive Proof! ;D
This is all of my voyage on Avoca and some of Bristol and Lancaster. I'm still working on the last two.
(In some cases there are many places with the same or similar names. I didn't list a place unless I was fairly sure it was correct for that ship and date, but the match may not apply to another ship and/or date.)
Moderators: feel free to move this to another location.
Wow, that looks like a LOT of work! I think this tops the list in my opinion.
Estudiaste espanol en escuela? Yo tambien! Pero esta muy flojo ahora mismo... :'(
Thanks. It WAS! and I'm still working on it - I just couldn't resist posting when I finished the Avoca locations.
With all the Barometers, Instrumentation and Specifications by Ship pages you have done, you are pretty high up on the list too! ;D
Definitive Proof! ;D
This is all of my voyage on Avoca and some of Bristol and Lancaster. I'm still working on the last two.
(In some cases there are many places with the same or similar names. I didn't list a place unless I was fairly sure it was correct for that ship and date, but the match may not apply to another ship and/or date.)
Moderators: feel free to move this to another location.
I thought, but apparently was wrong, that I was the only person working on the Welland. Clearly, I was not.
You cannot guarantee that no one will touch your ship when you log off.
When your idea of excitement is wind of force 6 or lightning. :(or when you have four letters in the weather code box.
(Bristol in early 1919 is not the most exciting ship...)
Is Tegwen's 7 letter entry for weather codes (on the Clio) the most ever seen?
How many of you have reached for the light switch when you got a darker-than-normal page?
you... are silly!!! ::)How many of you have reached for the light switch when you got a darker-than-normal page?
::)
That wouldn't help. Surely no one would be so silly.
I'm not a "touch-typist", so I have a candle mounted on the corner of my keyboard so I can see to carry on working if there is a power cut.
...when you're trying to read some semi-legible physician's handwriting at work, and you're confused if what's written is 1979 or 1949 because you can't remember what era you're supposed to be working in!Oooh.
...when you're trying to read some semi-legible physician's handwriting at work, and you're confused if what's written is 1979 or 1949 because you can't remember what era you're supposed to be working in!Oooh.
I can't let such a slur on medicine's finest pass without saying "I know what you mean". ;)
you know you're addicted when the house is a disaster, the kitchen's a wreck, but you haven't been able to transcribe in days, and you just can't put off the call of the logs any longer!Glad to know I'm not the only one!
...when you're afraid to log on in the evening, because there might be a notice that your ship has completed its voyage without you being the "one" to witness it...
But you're also afraid not to...
Is this the OW version of Schroedinger's cat?
(My attempt to insert an "o" with an umlaut failed utterly.)
Is this the OW version of Schroedinger's cat?
Not to be cranky or anything, and this great, but when will the new logs be added? I don't want to work on another boat that is almost complete - it is purely selfish on my part, I know, but I have over a thousand weather entries that aren't being counted in my rankings (I CANNOT believe this bugs me! :o ).
...when you're afraid to log on in the evening, because there might be a notice that your ship has completed its voyage without you being the "one" to witness it...that happened to me!!
But you're also afraid not to...
Is this the OW version of Schroedinger's cat?
(My attempt to insert an "o" with an umlaut failed utterly.)
Yes, been there, done that. How about having two ships on the go at once, in the hope that at least one of them will have the decency to wait for you?
Not to be cranky or anything, and this great, but when will the new logs be added? I don't want to work on another boat that is almost complete - it is purely selfish on my part, I know, but I have over a thousand weather entries that aren't being counted in my rankings (I CANNOT believe this bugs me! :o ).
There, there, Kathy. We can all relate to that experience...
I suspect that the calculation of whether one can do enough entries to push on to the top 11 transcribers so that your efforts 'count' is yet another sign of OW addiction.
Kathy - you currently only need to do 135 reports to get into the top 10 for the Carnarvon, but I have no idea how much more of the awful handwriting there is still to go!
We are not the only ones being addicted to OW.;D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34352/ADM53-34352-141_1.jpg
Hi randi_2,I know what you mean about 24 hours in the day!
Recruiting her might be a problem unless clocks can be re-wired for more than 24 hours in the day.
And now you have embarrassed me. Even after doing a search of the forum I am unable to find a source reference for BOINC (in truth, it sounds a bit uncouth to me). What is it and what is the source I should go to? Actually, I'm a bit afraid to ask as, unlike some posters here, I still have a life outside OW.
Cheers,
Steeleye
8)We are not the only ones being addicted to OW.;D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34352/ADM53-34352-141_1.jpg
This IS the real world.
'Met' it is ... as of yesterday.;)
Christmas social activities are a curse - eating in to valuable logging time.
;D
1. I am absolutely heartbroken - my ship (Crocus) was finished while I was gone - how dare they - it was MY ship! Not sure what I am going to do now.
2. But here is my adventure:
December 8, 2011
Latitude 17o50.8N
Longitude 62o57.8W
Wind NE
Force 5
Condition bf
Barometric Pressure 29.9/1012
Humidity 96
Air 78.8
Sea 75.2
I made my own log (for 9 days), as you can see, and also got a print-out from the Navigation Officer - how addicted is that?
PBW
I hate when I have to stop to fix dinner - you all know the feeling - you are in the transcribing groove, and the ship is actually doing something interesting - not just painting and scraping - and BOOM - everybody turns into a stomach with legs - and I am the ONLY person in the house that can do something about the situation.YOU SAID IT >:( >:( >:( >:(
Kathy
Bunting, I think you were right questioning the fog at Antigua Have to do some editing to my page and remove the "bf" and replace it with a "B", which is what the original log had under the heading 'weather' ('bf' was next to the wind force number). I do remember the captain saying that this was a rare clear day and we could see Montserrat with its steaming volcano. So the record should look like this:Hey, PBW,
December 8, 2011
Latitude 17o50.8N
Longitude 62o57.8W
Wind NE
Force 5
Condition B
Barometric Pressure 29.9/1012
Humidity 96
Air 78.8
Sea 75.2
I did not paint or recruit, but I did see the Customs Officer come aboard as well as the ship being fueled. Nobody fell overboard (that I know) and whatever might have been thrown overboard was certainly illegal. There were at least 2 sick people (accidents).
PBW
Hey Bunts (Thx)Hey, PBW,
Yes, Force 5 was pretty fun, we also had one day of 6, big cold front moving down from the North, with corresponding sea conditions.
I have now landed on the "Liverpool", but it is in the Orkneys area and I don't like it. I just loved the Persian Gulf, including the Persian Gulf Pilot, which I am going to download from Google. Would you know of an unfinished ship in the same area?
PBW
You know you're addicted when your reaction to a page like this is no longer "he made how many entries?!", but is instead "the scientists will be really pleased with me now!"
Yesterday, my laptop died - turned it on, nothing happened at all. Calamity! However I managed to get my hands on another machine, downloaded Firefox etc etc. Of course I'd lost all my bookmarks - and guess which were the first ones I set up? Yup, Old Weather, the forum, my present ships, and a small selection of ship and geography sources of info. It just seemed absolutely obvious .... :D
Haing just read the first pages of this htread, I'm now worried that a polo shirt I have could be mistaken for Old Weather Addiction - the back reads - 3-4 light rain.
We had them printed after a yatch delivery trip a couple of years ago, through the Corinth canal, when the weather men predicted 3-4 light rain every day, and we had flat calm, gales, sun, thunder, storms, everything but 3-4 light rain.
...;D
I went to an opthalmologist yesterday afternoon (just getting something checked out) and before the examination they put in eye drops to make the pupils dilate really wide. Wide pupils let in an awful light of light ... as well as making you look a bit strange. As it's (sort of) summer here and the sun was actually out, I was about half-blind by the time I got home - and for a couple of hours afterwards. If any other OWer goes through this fun experience, you may find it useful to know that it is still possible to keep up with your transcribing by pulling the blinds down and wearing sunglasses in front of the screen. Be warned, however: I got some fairly strange looks from Lady Steeleye!
;)
...
I went to an opthalmologist yesterday afternoon (just getting something checked out) and before the examination they put in eye drops to make the pupils dilate really wide. Wide pupils let in an awful light of light ... as well as making you look a bit strange. As it's (sort of) summer here and the sun was actually out, I was about half-blind by the time I got home - and for a couple of hours afterwards. If any other OWer goes through this fun experience, you may find it useful to know that it is still possible to keep up with your transcribing by pulling the blinds down and wearing sunglasses in front of the screen. Be warned, however: I got some fairly strange looks from Lady Steeleye!
;)
I have to report that Mrs Bunts seems to be afflicted.
Late Tuesday night (actually, early Wednesday morning) I watched Dan Snow's TV programme (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00qlmcq/Empire_of_the_Seas_How_the_Navy_Forged_the_Modern_World_Sea_Change/) while I ate some chip shop fish left over from tea time. I had been asleep for about three hours when Mrs B began to quiz me:
"What were you talking about?"
"Um? What? Ah ... Jackie Fisher - after he left HMS Warrior where they had a laundry with a row of mangles for washing uniforms he became First Sea Lord and inspired the construction of HMS Dreadnought".
"Is that what you're working on for that computer thing?"
"No, that's HMS Mantis; a tiny Insect Class gunboat. She's at Hankow." (then, very patiently) "HMS Dreadnought was a huge battleship with ten 12 inch guns in five turrets. Admiral Fisher persuaded the Admiralty to commission eight of them. The others were at Jutland but didn't do very well. Anything else?"
"No. Go back to sleep. Quietly."
"Right. Thanks. Z-z-z-z."
I've no idea why she couldn't have waited until breakfast. Perhaps she thought she might have forgotten her question by then. Anyway, I'm all for people who wish to increase their knowledge, even if it is at an inconvenient time - like 5.30am. Isn't she a lucky girl?
Why were you talking about dreadnoughts in your sleep? ;D
Well, there is nothing like getting a phone call at 5:00am from your oldest (the ripe old age of 19) saying "the car broke down and we are stuck on the side of I-95 (major north-south East Coast route) in North Carolina (about 4 hours away from where I am). My first thought (ok, my second thought - the first being Road Trip to go get three 19 year old girls)At least she let you know in good time, so you could make a day of it. And the weather is a sight better than the last time you had a similar jaunt.
It's worse when you find yourself writing "1922" on a check. ;D
When you stay up way past your bed time transcribing away to try to get the 1 millionth entry. I refreshed the home page after each page completed to see how close I was. I think I missed it by 2, as the nearest counts I saw were 999,998 and 1,000,002.
Congratulations to all.
If you are addicted do you need to ask why you do these things?
When you stay up way past your bed time transcribing away to try to get the 1 millionth entry. I refreshed the home page after each page completed to see how close I was. I think I missed it by 2, as the nearest counts I saw were 999,998 and 1,000,002.
Congratulations to all.
If you are addicted do you need to ask why you do these things?
I found 999,998 and then came back to 1,000,008 as I had a few events to log on my page. I've only been on this site about 2/3 weeks and I'm addicted already... late each evening I think 'if I get my sandwiches packed for work now I can get 5 mins on OW'.... if the bus gets in early I'll do two short or one long log before work...it's lunch time now and I'm just about to get back to the Jed in Japan...which almost feels like home now. My dad was a Chief Petty Officer on the Sheffield (WWII) - I just wish he were still around to give advice on what the logs say!
;D ;D
we can transcribe your logs someday!
Here's the paragon of addiction: James Boswell, biographer of Dr. Samuel Johnson, wrote "I will go through almost anything with a degree of satisfaction if I am to put an account of it in writing ... I should live no more than I can record".
So get recording and stop wasting your time with other irrelevant pursuits! ;D
On Firefox's new(ish) offering, when you open a new tab and it shows you nine of the ones you're most likely to want, getting on for half are Old Weather related.
As part of my addiction, I googled SS Nigeria, which HMS Iphigenia has helped salvage in Murmansk April 1917, and I came across these wonderful photos :www.flickr.com/photos/johnparker/445154151/
I presume they were taken by someone on board Iphigenia, and show the weather and activities going on in Northern Russia.
I was looking for logbooks and stumbled across this great project. It seems as if you have stumbled across mine too. I posted my granddad's pictures from the Iphigenia in 1917 in the White Sea to flicker.As part of my addiction, I googled SS Nigeria, which HMS Iphigenia has helped salvage in Murmansk April 1917, and I came across these wonderful photos :www.flickr.com/photos/johnparker/445154151/
I presume they were taken by someone on board Iphigenia, and show the weather and activities going on in Northern Russia.
I'd be happy to send you the scanned photos if you are still interested.
Interestingly this summer after visiting my sister I discovered she had my granddad's log book that goes with the pictures. While incomplete (it does not cover as long a period as the photos) it is an interesting day-by-day account (often with temperature readings). I have transcribed the log book and was putting it together with the pictures (and eventually, a scan of the logbook as the handwriting is itself a thing of beauty). I was looking for the ship's log to fill in some details I am missing.
So ... I'd be happy to send or post the original scan of the pictures and the first cut at the transcribed log to anyone that is interested.
I'd also ask if, as part of this project, apart from the pictures of the logs, are the transcriptions available?
I was just watching Flog It and there was a watercolour of HMS Bellona and T35 and T36 being auctioned. The expert said it was from a 'prolific' painter of maritime scenes of the period, but I didn't get the chance to catch the painter. Let's hope they mention him again...;D
Funny how I can now immediately spot that the ships on the painting were WW1 era...:).
It was bij William...Birchall? Sounded like that, I am not a native English speaker and names sometimes elude me. Ah. Close up of the name, Birchall it is.
I just received my exciting purchase: 'The Coast Guard Expands 1865-1915, New Roles, New Frontiers. There's a whole chapter on the Bear. And BOY have you got exciting times ahead - in about 1889 there's a ship's uprising. Dr White (ship's dr) reports that for 30 days over the July 'The Captain appears about crazy and is almost blind. He has drunk...four gallons of my whisky besides his own and much more from the whaler's beer and wine not counted. This makes four weeks of continuous drunk.' :o :o :o Wow - that's going to be one interesting log - lot's of reading between the lines I should think... Interestingly Dr White makes a visit to the Thetis - and is very praiseworthy of it's status. :D
My first impression of the US boats was 'boring' but now...bring it on! 8)
Maikel, have you seen Philip's new blog? ;D
http://blog.oldweather.org/2012/10/16/usrc-thetis-and-the-lady-franklin-bay-expedition/
Philip's blog is magical..it's brilliant.
Cor - you lot working on the Thetis are really lucky. I might stray in there to do a couple of pages myself.
Exactly Janet ;D...then just pretend that the clock is not really moving round and you haven't just lost another hour of your life being amazed by ship life a century ago. Easy..... 8)
And remember, you have more hours then you realise:
- there are 24 hours in a day, and then there is the night
- there are 7 days in a week, and then there is the weekend
So, plenty of hidden hours you can use ;)
And remember, you have more hours then you realise:
- there are 24 hours in a day, and then there is the night
- there are 7 days in a week, and then there is the weekend
So, plenty of hidden hours you can use ;)
Not sure about that - I was always told you should get eight hours sleep a day. And another eight at night if possible.
...
is it bad that I think I'm being very charmed by an officer because of his diligent and neat record-keeping? All 24 entries!
Everything neat and legible. I think I'm in love :P
I'm wondering whether it's typhoid - they've had someone medical come on board as part of an investigation into an outbreak at one of the hospitals which they had crew in, then they were all marched off to be inoculated, and the two who refused were discharged on the spot. Which sounds like it was really serious.;D
I'm back at college now (it's been half term weekend) so won't have as much time to transcribe this week ..... Need to find out what happens though - sleep may have to be sacrificed!
Doing my Hebrew homework, and automatically putting in ~ for anything I can't decipher - OW has me well trained!
Well, Dean has a sail boat. Now we all need to chip in and send him to a data poor area (as long as he keeps up his OW transcribing, of course). :D
Well, Dean has a sail boat. Now we all need to chip in and send him to a data poor area (as long as he keeps up his OW transcribing, of course). :D
Make it WARM! With MY luck I'll end up back with the 'Monitors' in the Russian ARCTIC!
8) 8) 8) 8) 8) ;D ;)
You need a firm strap for a barometer....won't it make your wrist ache?Duh! ::) ;D
Aneroid - you can't get mercurial any more (Health & Safety - apparently there's too high a risk of people buying barometers, taking them home, smashing them, then playing with the mercury...)You need a firm strap for a barometer....won't it make your wrist ache?Duh! ::) ;D
Aneroid - you can't get mercurial any more (Health & Safety - apparently there's too high a risk of people buying barometers, taking them home, smashing them, then playing with the mercury...)You need a firm strap for a barometer....won't it make your wrist ache?Duh! ::) ;D
No, but your head aches from too much pressure!! :P
Polar bears are therefore found primarily along the perimeter of the polar ice pack, rather than in the Polar Basin close to the North Pole where the density of seals is low.[36]Wikipedia
Riddle:
You go south 1 mile, east 1 mile, north 1 mile, and you are back where you started. You see a bear. What color is it?
Sub folders of subfolders of SUB folders here! :o
Addicted??!! Nah......................pleasantly engaged ;)
Sub folders of subfolders of SUB folders here! :o
Addicted??!! Nah......................pleasantly engaged ;)
Addicted??!! Nah......................organized ;D
Sub folders of subfolders of SUB folders here! :o
Addicted??!! Nah......................pleasantly engaged ;)
Now THAT is ORGANIZED!! 8)
I think I need a break from U.S.S. Yorktown's 1890 log-books.
This morning I needed to date and sign a request-form to send to my bank.
Instead of 2013 I put down 1890 for the year. :(
Oops. ;D
Been there, done that! ;D
What do you mean it isn't obvious that Q.G. stands for Quarter Gunner?!?
The Patterson (http://www.oldweather.org/ships/50874f4d09d4090755026716) can always use crew members!!!
Yes, but if the power stays off very long you better unplug the fridge ;)
philip.brohan (80.235.144.60) 20:29:00 Viewing the topic Signs of OW addiction ....
;D
Here's another sign my addiction:
Exactly one week ago, I finished the Pioneer.
I then said I would take a break before starting work on the Unalga.
Since then, the number of WR I have done on her has increased from 523 to 3.694.
Your ship passes from 1847 to 1848 and you worry that you will put the wrong date on your checks.
Sounds like simply a proper sense of priorities to me - of course you would shut down anything else in order to carry on transcribing, wouldn't you?
When listening to the radio, the shipping forecast makes more sense than the normal weather forecast...
Just to start us off again...
Typing WRs furiously so that I can get to the end of the page and wipe my runny nose while the next page is loading. Avoids having to take my hands off the keyboard and then reposition them. So far I've avoided actually dripping on the keyboard but it's a close thing. :P
Just to start us off again...
Typing WRs furiously so that I can get to the end of the page and wipe my runny nose while the next page is loading. Avoids having to take my hands off the keyboard and then reposition them. So far I've avoided actually dripping on the keyboard but it's a close thing. :P
Yup, definitely a clear sign of addiction - welcome to OW-aholics anonymous!
For those of us 'OCD' people - maybe a 'better' explanation.... ::);D ;D ;D
I have a fridge magnet which claims OCD stands for Obsessive Cat Disorder ...;D ;D ;D
And I always thought it was "Obsessive Computer Disorder"!
Well... after speaking with counsel, I have decided it to be in my best interest to plead guilty to the charge of OW addiction, and beg mercy during sentencing, your honor. :p
Hanibal, you will have to cut out the cheese toasties at bedtime.
Hmmmm -cheese toasties...yummmmm :-*
Working on the Concord while in hospital a day after a knee operation? :o
Working on the Concord while in hospital a day after a knee operation? :o
Working on the Concord while in hospital a day after a knee operation? :o
Either a true Citizen Scientist hero and/or bored and trying to distract ones self. ;)
(I vote for both. 8) )
Impressive! Perhaps not quite as spectacular as transcribing while in labour, but close ....
You ignore all requests to help out on other Universe projects so that you can do more on OW.
You ignore all requests to help out on other Universe projects so that you can do more on OW.
You ignore all requests to help out on other Universe projects so that you can do more on OW.
philip.brohan (151.170.240.10) 16:35:28 Viewing the topic Signs of OW addiction ....
Working on the Concord while in hospital a day after a knee operation? :o
What a good plan. I am going in for my second hip replacement in a couple of weeks, must remember to take the computer, was very bored while in for my first!!
You listen to a song or two while transcribing - only to realize you were so focused on the transcribing, you can't remember a single word of the lyrics!
Sounds like you're ready for the next step...getting annoyed because you don't want the distraction of the music ;) ;) ;D
Just got another one:
After a long day of STUFF, you log onto your favorite MMORPG for some hours of FUN... only to find that the servers are going offline in 15 minutes for hotfixes that will last 3 hours.
So when you think "What now?", OW is the first thing that pops into your head.
On the other hand, addicted sounds better than crazy :-\
Working on the Concord while in hospital a day after a knee operation? :o
oh Thanks Helen - that helped - phew!! :D
Working on the Concord while in hospital a day after a knee operation? :o
Um, I am not actually in hospital, but I did have cataract surgery this morning and I am now back to editing the Carnarvon logs - do I get some Brownie points?
Glad the hip is doing well. Aren't the first few weeks frustrating, I hate sleeping on my back & the long handled sponge didn't get between my toes and as for the problems of drying there!!! But the walking was bliss, even with the crutches, no limp & no pain. Hope it continues to make progress & settles down to a long-term, happy home in your femur & pelvis.
Working on the Concord while in hospital a day after a knee operation? :o
Um, I am not actually in hospital, but I did have cataract surgery this morning and I am now back to editing the Carnarvon logs - do I get some Brownie points?
Hope the cataract op has continued to be succesful, and that you are back editing and transcribiing full time Sue. I am back home having had my hip done and all is well. I did a little editing on Clio while in hospital.
Thanks, Keith. Yes, all continues to go well with the cataract operation, and I can't wait to get the other eye done! Hope you make a speedy full recovery from the hip op.
AWwwwwe, thanks everyone! :D
I have been given a modern mobile phone so I can keep in touch with you good folks when I'm away....fabulous :D I feel very lucky. :D
Excellent - is that another entry for the OW Addiction thread - that a modern mobile phone is immediately seen as a way of keeping in touch with OW? :D
Seems to me that it would be a good way to get a psychologist addicted to OW...
How about transcribing with a cat on your lap? ;D
How about transcribing with a cat on your lap? ;D
Perhaps they were worried about something else and you wandered into shot at a moment of frayed nerves?
And OW is not useless - it is the happiest place - and the end is that we will help save the planet. I would defend it to the last :)
How about transcribing with a cat on your lap? ;D
You are identifying with your ship!
I had a similar disorientation with Bayano (built 1917) when crossing the Atlantic with and without a convoy of merchant ships.
There are some amazing names in that part of the world. I was quite confident Useless Bay would turn out to be a mondegreen, but no.
Or, if you just died laughing...That's a good one ;)
Finally got my internet connection fixed after two to three months of problems, and my first thought was 'I can transcribe more ....'
Craig 13:42:17 Viewing unread replies since their last visit.hahahaha! ;D ;D ;D You've been spotted Craig ;)
;)
Craig 13:42:17 Viewing unread replies since their last visit.
;)
But tonight, when I update the rankings, I will compare the old with the new and discover the truth. Numbers do not lie!
I think one has to leave the house (without a laptop) to be able to keep a resolution such as this.
He's probably including travel time, Joan. ;D
No, I meant two weeks of real time. That's the longest I've ever been separated from OW since I started taking it extra seriously.So there's hope - two weeks can be survived ;) ;) :D
Given the choice between transcribing and doing my taxes for 2015, I chose the latter. A real addict would have gone with the former, no question. ;)
They say that April is the perfect month for taxes.
It begins with April Fools Day and ends with May Day!
Or maybe the Concord data on the tax return? ;)
The next challenge is OW on a smart phone ;D
The next challenge is OW on a smart phone ;D
And then... OW on a smart watch! ;D
I was building the W.A.C.Bennett Dam on the Peace River in 1967 (my centennial project) and a chisel fell from several stories above me and hit my watch, smashing it. I haven't worn a watch since!And then... OW on a smart watch! ;D
:o :o :o That's too smart for me. I don't know what it is - and I never wear a watch - am I technologically throwing myself out of the IT gene pool? ;)
I was building the W.A.C.Bennett Dam on the Peace River in 1967 (my centennial project) and a chisel fell from several stories above me and hit my watch, smashing it. I haven't worn a watch since!
I was building the W.A.C.Bennett Dam on the Peace River in 1967 (my centennial project) and a chisel fell from several stories above me and hit my watch, smashing it. I haven't worn a watch since!
Just think what might have happened to your wrist if you hadn't been wearing that watch...
Be sure your transcriptions will find you out as the Good (OW!) Book says, Helen ;) ;D
And I've just found that they have in stock a book which was referred to in the centenary newspaper, so I think I may need to go back ....
Being British when transcribing the US ships I quite often type 'harbour' but now when editing the RN ships I've started to type 'harbor' ::)
Earlier I was sitting and sweating in front of my computer reading an entry in the log book about exercising the crew. For a second I thought to myself "In this heat?!"
A funny story with that lost internet connection. :) Before chatting with ISP tech people, figured I'd first confirm nothing amiss with my account. ??? So tried logging in with my user name and password and it didn't work. :P So went through the "forgot password" route. Flunked the first security question (could have been a missing .) but passed the second which was the middle name of my oldest sibling. :D Next step was to change the password. Then I went to my account.... and it wasn't mine! :o Here I had changed someone else's password with the same username as me and the same eldest sibling middle name as mine. ::) I told my eldest sibling (who happens to work in IT :-*) and she thought it was hilarious, and really weird.
That is amazing. Usually, the username must be unique. Was the middle name a common name?
A funny story with that lost internet connection. :) Before chatting with ISP tech people, figured I'd first confirm nothing amiss with my account. ??? So tried logging in with my user name and password and it didn't work. :P So went through the "forgot password" route. Flunked the first security question (could have been a missing .) but passed the second which was the middle name of my oldest sibling. :D Next step was to change the password. Then I went to my account.... and it wasn't mine! :o Here I had changed someone else's password with the same username as me and the same eldest sibling middle name as mine. ::) I told my eldest sibling (who happens to work in IT :-*) and she thought it was hilarious, and really weird.
I heard a security person suggest that the computer doesn't know the correct answers to your questions, so he said to use a common "answer" to any and all security questions. E.g.:
- Who was your favourite teacher? Leelaht;
- What is your eldest sibling's middle name? Leelaht;
- Where did you get married? Leelaht;
- What was your first pet's name? Leelaht.
He suggested NOT using your login, but perhaps your middle name for everything, or the name of the street on which you live, etc. Something easy for you to remember.
Just a thought.
And today's really obscure fact - how many people knew that the Virgin Islands were bought by the US in 1916 from Denmark?
And today's really obscure fact - how many people knew that the Virgin Islands were bought by the US in 1916 from Denmark?
And today's really obscure fact - how many people knew that the Virgin Islands were bought by the US in 1916 from Denmark?
That's a fantastic historical fact i would have never suspected... the Danish West Indies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_West_Indies)!! :D
It's as stunning as when i first read about Scotland failed attempt of colonization in Panama in 1700 (best known as the Darien Scheme (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darien_scheme)) and whose effects eased the Act of Union with England.
Thanks for sharing Helen! :)
You see 1853, and you say to yourself "Ah... Next year."
When you prefer good handwriting to good spelling and grammar.
When you prefer good handwriting to good spelling and grammar.
;D ;D ;D
When you prefer good handwriting to good spelling and grammar.
;D ;D ;D
Of course! Good handwriting trumps all ....
Never try to fix dinner while working on OW :o :'(
How about eating dinner while working on OW?
How about eating dinner while working on OW?
If you get food stuck to a pan:
Try soaking it for several hours in hot soapy water and then applying lots of elbow grease with a non-abrasive sponge (scratching with fingernails can also be very helpful ;)).
If that fails, fill pan with a mix of white vinegar and water to cover food and add a generous squirt of dish soap. Bring it to a boil, cook 5-10 minutes, and let it cool. Then apply lots of elbow grease with a non-abrasive sponge.
If you get food stuck to a pan:
Try soaking it for several hours in hot soapy water and then applying lots of elbow grease with a non-abrasive sponge (scratching with fingernails can also be very helpful ;)).
If that fails, fill pan with a mix of white vinegar and water to cover food and add a generous squirt of dish soap. Bring it to a boil, cook 5-10 minutes, and let it cool. Then apply lots of elbow grease with a non-abrasive sponge.
It's so good to be back on the whalers :D They really make life fun ...and there's no need to worry about spelling...I could work on them alllllll day long :D
It's so good to be back on the whalers :D They really make life fun ...and there's no need to worry about spelling...I could work on them alllllll day long :D
Same here! ;D
Did you convince at least 1 of those guests to join OW? ;D
Did you convince at least 1 of those guests to join OW? ;D
Sadly, my leadership shadow was insufficient for the job. I just couldn't change the hues on their perception filters... :-[
Did you convince at least 1 of those guests to join OW? ;D
Sadly, my leadership shadow was insufficient for the job. I just couldn't change the hues on their perception filters... :-[
Call them all back and give it another go Michael - your shadow might just need another outing ;) ;) :D
Your friends know that Jamestown is a ship not a place ;)
You look at a Faberge egg (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=25.msg141301#msg141301) and say to yourself: "Wait a minute. I'm not sure they got the rigging right.";D ;D ;D ;D
::)
Welcome home, Helen!
Welcome home, Helen!
I second the motion!!! :) :) :)
"Yesterday" is August 27'th, 1914.
I am not addicted.
It is not my fault that an island mentioned in a historical mystery I am reading just turned up in Eastwind's log.
Castle Island, Massachusetts
I am not addicted.
It is not my fault that an island mentioned in a historical mystery I am reading just turned up in Eastwind's log.
Castle Island, Massachusetts
Hehehe! You mum will have to start finding the equivalence in weird words in the field of something she really enjoys :D
dogvane
NOUN
Nautical
A small, light vane of thread, cork, and feathers, placed on a gunwale or shroud to indicate the direction of the wind. Also in figurative contexts. Now historical.
Origin
Mid 18th century; earliest use found in William Falconer. From dog + vane, probably so called because smaller and hence inferior to the vane at the masthead.
For more information about the B-17 crew rescue and an update, see:Thanks to Kathy and Kevin
- Devotion to Duty: Lt. John A. Pritchard's Epic Story of World War II Search and Rescue on the Greenland Ice Cap (http://www.coastguardchannel.com/spclFeatures/cghistory/people/LtPritchard.shtml)
- WWII Coast Guard Grumman Duck Crash Site Located (http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/01/14/wwii-coast-guard-grumman-duck-crash-site-located.html)
- The Grumman J2F Duck (http://www.aviation-history.com/grumman/j2f.html)
Me Too!!!!!
The other thing that has been driving some of my friends bonkers is that because of my work with the Logs & all I have begun to spell like the English instead of 'American.' Theatre, honour, etc. ;)
Me Too!!!!!
The other thing that has been driving some of my friends bonkers is that because of my work with the Logs & all I have begun to spell like the English instead of 'American.' Theatre, honour, etc. ;)
I like to think you're spelling like a Canadian! ;D
I was going to say a sign of OW addiction is that I would sooner work on OW than do housework, but I don't think that really qualifies. ;D
If it is, then I'm addicted to far more things than I thought, as there's a long list of things I'd rather do than housework .... :D :D
Preferring OW to housework is a sign of rationality, not addiction. IMHO. ;)
I would rather do almost anything than do the housework! (And Friday is housework day ... :( )
Up here they are good this year. Have 4 jars blackberry & apple jelly and am considering freezer space for some blackberry & apple pie filling. I don't know about you but I find blackberrying both soothing & satisfying, I just wish that nettles didn't like the same sites quite as much. Hope it stays dry for you
When your aunt has one clue left to complete her crossword, and the answer is 'abeam' you can't imagine why she didn't know it ;DWhen the clue is Fox Islands native and you quickly realize that the answer is Aleut ;D
When the clue is Fox Islands native and you quickly realize that the answer is Aleut ;D
I can't change your vote, but you should now be able to do so.
Click on REMOVE VOTE, and then you can vote again.
This afternoon I accidentally referred to my volunteer shift at the library as my 'watch'
You find yourself saying Who rather than What ship.
When you hear the word growlers and you think of Sea Ice (http://www.ccg-gcc.gc.ca/e0010735) and not beer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growler_(jug))! ;D ;D ;D
When you hear the word growlers and you think of Sea Ice (http://www.ccg-gcc.gc.ca/e0010735) and not beer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growler_(jug))! ;D ;D ;D
Where I live now (Yorkshire) the word growler would make you think pork pie.
(However, this only seems to work in familiar places - if I don't know where North is, it's useless)
I think I'll have to practice ladders but it is a tempting prospect, would like WiFi though so I can update my OW material!Oh no, I hadn't spotted there was no wifi - going off the idea now!
You happen to note that the name of the author of a book is Smalls and you think of Thetis :-[
Just met the Alert and Lock Garry today. (30 June 1884) ..."Today"
Just met the Alert and Lock Garry today. (30 June 1884) ..."Today"
Yes, we all know that one ;D
It's like "We (Thetis) just arrived at Ounalaska." ;D ;D
Aha!
So you admit it, Joan ;D
I suspect it's a sign of addiction that I keep thinking 'I'm meeting myself' now I'm editing a year of Welland, who regularly meets Blenheim, which I've just finished editing.
Glad to help out. And as we're in the same area as Blenheim it's quite straightforward so far. Welland does seem very good at losing things overboard - or perhaps they're just more honest about recording the losses?
Glad to help out. And as we're in the same area as Blenheim it's quite straightforward so far. Welland does seem very good at losing things overboard - or perhaps they're just more honest about recording the losses?
Must be something in the 'later logs.' She didn't lose much of far as I've done. ;)
You have another chance on February 2nd Joan (Candlemas) - the absolute end of Christmas for hard core keepers of the season. After that - yes I think it's up for the year .... ;D
Randi, Ggordon and I have been updating the OW Arctic transcribing spreadsheets.
Our beta tests are almost done, and the new version of the spreadsheets should be available very soon. :) :) :)
:) :) :)
Your links might not have jpg or a similar extent.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/[FILE_ID]/view?usp=sharing
Where [FILE_ID] is a unique code.https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=[FILE_ID]
Of course, replace [FILE_ID] with the unique code obtained from the shareable link.[img]https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=[i][FILE_ID][/i][/img]
It works. Thank you Maikel!You're welcome. :)
Would you believe it?!
Some lunatic posted still more Christmas pictures in Chronology of Navy History (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=5247.msg166196#msg166196) ::)
Don't people have anything better to do with their time?
I'm reading Michael Palin's book on HMS Erebus (highly recommended) and when he began quoting from logs I thought, 'there are logs!' and then 'how can we get our hands on them?' At the moment I'm in the Antarctic with her, and there must be lots and lots of ice records ....
I'm reading Michael Palin's book on HMS Erebus (highly recommended) and when he began quoting from logs I thought, 'there are logs!' and then 'how can we get our hands on them?' At the moment I'm in the Antarctic with her, and there must be lots and lots of ice records ....
Did any of the Erebus' logs from the Franklin Expedition ever make it back home I wonder? Fascinating that she is in Antarctica :D I think that the book must be addictive! ;)