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Shore Leave => Dockside Cafe => Topic started by: DJ_59 on 20 October 2010, 14:01:11
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Hi, everyone.
We're all seeing a lot of extremely
interesting log entries. We might have to wade through a pile of
same ol' before we see one, but we get them. Orrery66 told me
about her ship chasing down an American ship, firing across the bow,
boarding and leaving with two German prisoners. Someone else
posted about a ship that lost a man overboard, and it was logged with a
touch of personalization and implied emotion. Funerals have been
mentioned, sailors playing like children on the deck, families seeing
the ships off. All kinds of things that stand out. I saw one
where a mechanical failure was described in slightly salty terms.
That was fun. If you have any of those, please post them here for
everyone to see. Thanks.
Deej
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I'm copying this from a message in "The Human Aspect".
They're similar topics, but they both have their own place here.
That one is for the things specifically about people, while this one
could include anything out of the ordinary that makes for exciting or,
as the topic says, riveting reading and gets the imagination
going. Paints a picture, let's say.
:) Well I found a non-letter symbol. I have seen others but this one
was very
interesting(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg230/elizabethsiegel/Capture.png)Now
tell me if I am seeing this wrong but I see a drawing of a
balloon with the word God printed inside it and strings on the bottom to
indicate upward flight I have come to this conclusion after
reading the script.
Aug 4, 1919
HMS Nairana
According to the log they have sent out a search party evreyday for the last five days,
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Here's one from the Welland from 24 Feb 1918. This was stapled to
the front of the page for that day. Apparently the ship ran into a gale
and suffered a loss of some material.
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68386/ADM%2053-68386-030_1.jpg)
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Amazing what you can lose in a good gale ;) Excellent for balancing your accounts!
Regards
Haywain
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Earlier today I found this: a sighting of a comet, off the coast of Brasil:
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33549/ADM53-33549-136_1.jpg)
I posted this in the forum of Galaxy Zoo, and soon Zookeeper Chris let us know this would have been Comet Mellish - thanks!
http://www.galaxyzooforum.org/index.php?topic=278414.0 (http://www.galaxyzooforum.org/index.php?topic=278414.0)
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:D Awesome Tsering well spotted!
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That's really something! Not what you expect to read in
these logs at all. But then I'm starting to figure out that
anything might show up.
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:o
HMS Crocus, September 13th 1921
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1107/5108527638_cd9965b636_z.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74526/ADM%2053-74526-122_1.jpg
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ALSO unexpected!
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The evening activities on the HMS Crocus are very interesting ! :D
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1079/5110004153_82a24778f6.jpg)
12th October 1921
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74526/ADM%2053-74526-137_0.jpg
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That's wonderful ;D
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Hi everyone,
I posted this over in a different thread, but it was suggested that this qualifies as a Riveting Entry.
The Ernest Shackleton came aboard my ship and I thought that was pretty neat!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34544/ADM%2053-34544-003_1.jpg
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Most interesting thing I've had happen so far is that one of my crew
was reprimanded for falling asleep on watch. Thing is, both he and
someone else (the captain possibly?) have signed the log entry,
presumably to verify its accuracy.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-46282/ADM53-46282-067_0.jpg
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The Curlew has been spending several days in San Pedro (Los Angeles,
California). Every afternoon the ship is open to visitors.
On 22 June 1923 they dressed the ship in honour of the Anniversary
of the Coronation of His Majesty King George V. They fired a 21
gun salute.
Not riveting, maybe, but certainly interesting.
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who nicked my tatties! log entry from HMS Amethyst off the coast of Uruguay: "8.0 80lbs potatoes stolen during night"
That is serious midnight munchies ;D
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Veero,
You can find more about CURLEW at this time in
http://www.naval-history.net/WW1z08America-Curlew.htm . The San Pedro
visit is confirmed in the left hand column - taken from Times Archives.
Not
too many weeks after the San Pedro visit, the US Navy suffered probably
it's worst peacetime disaster not too far away at Point Honda,
California - http://www.naval-history.net/WW1z07Americas.htm
Gordon
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Another reprimand aboard the Laurentic, this time for speaking in an improper manner. I want to know what he said! :o
(http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb352/Fiona_Wynn/Reprimandspeakinginappropriately.jpg?t=1288386159)
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The last of Barrett's privateers:
Reminds me of the Caine Mutiney and the Strawberrys ;D
I can see Humphrey Bogart rolling the steel balls in his hand as he is grilled by the defence attorney. (Jose Ferrer?)
Great movie
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Kenny:
Oh yeah! Near the top of the list of Bogie's
best, and that's saying a whole lot. Bogie's my favorite
actor. I could watch that movie a hundred times. Oh wait... I
think I have.
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Paint Overboard! ;D
(http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb352/Fiona_Wynn/PaintOverboard.jpg?t=1288435548)
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HMS Crocus 28/07/1922
Need some cash ? :D
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4086/5131053695_88ab18380b.jpg)
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As a former submariner I was delighted to spot a log entry from
another age for HMS CHRISTOPHER in the South West Channel - a/c SW and
increased speed. Airship C61 reported submarine. Now that's not
something you'll get to read that often.
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HMS Crocus 17th September 1922
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4018/5135092545_14b08f9e3e.jpg)
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HMS Crocus 28/07/1922
Need some cash ? :D
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4086/5131053695_88ab18380b.jpg)
I would love to know what all that was about!
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Still following HMS Amethyst, which having patrolled the eastern
seaboard of South America for quite a while has headed over to Sierra
Leone where she met HMS Britannia and from her came a nice cargo of
bullion (I presume gold, I don't think you get chocolate bullion) to the
value of ?1,000,000 [little finger held to mouth a la Dr Evil)
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Chocolate bullion would be nice though! ;D
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HMS New Zealand on her post WW1 round-the-world tour with Admiral of
the Fleet Viscount Jellicoe (and, apparently, his missus) in Melbourne
in June 1919, while coaling ship -
Lost overboard by accident. Shovels 2 in no
56 bags coal 2 cwt
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-52665/ADM53-52665-069_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-52665/ADM53-52665-069_0.jpg)
Although
it looks like the same handwriting it's written in with much blacker
ink, as though later, or by someone else. Was there a standard RN
handwriting?
(So each bag of coal was a quarter of a ton?
56 bags all at once? Did they have pallets? Oh for a time
machine...
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Coaling ship:
google images for "coaling ship"
see how "simple" it is http://www.gwpda.org/naval/wff01.htm
trying to clean up ship afterwards in image alongside HMS Goliath in http://www.naval-history.net/Oxon01-ShipList.htm
Gordon
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Wow! Thank you, that's wonderful.
My mother remembers
her father talking about hating coaling ship, when everyone had to get
stuck in and get covered head to foot in coal dust. He was really
grateful when he got promoted (to some kind of petty officer, which
isn't quite whati it says on the link...) and didn't have to do it any
more.
On the photograph, it's marvellous how white the jolly matelots' tunics are.
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Hello
My ship had a Lieutenant Commander written up for
exceeding the limit on his wine bill and drinking more glasses of
spirits than allowed.
All best
don
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On 3 Feb 1916 en route from Jamaica to Bermuda, the HMS Leviathan saw a solar eclipse!!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46568/ADM%2053-46568-004_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46568/ADM%2053-46568-004_1.jpg)
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Wow !
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Hurricane!
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46296/ADM%2053-46296-009_0.jpg)
All sorts of things blown away. Can't imagine being on a ship in force 12 winds! Can't imagine being anywhere in force 12 winds!
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Have a look at http://www.naval-history.net/IndexVideo-BoatrideStormatsea.wmv
Gordon
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Amazing. No wonder there were bits falling off the poor old Laurentic left right and centre!
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Wow, really nasty weather - blurgh :P
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Have a look at http://www.naval-history.net/IndexVideo-BoatrideStormatsea.wmv
Gordon
I had to go and take a Buccastem after watching that! :(
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On 3 Feb 1916 en route from Jamaica to Bermuda, the HMS Leviathan saw a solar eclipse!!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46568/ADM%2053-46568-004_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46568/ADM%2053-46568-004_1.jpg)
8) 8)
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It was just one of those days on the Argonaut, October 1914 .....
(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/674/targetm.jpg)
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Earlier today I found this: a sighting of a comet, off the coast of Brasil:
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33549/ADM53-33549-136_1.jpg)
I posted this in the forum of Galaxy Zoo, and soon Zookeeper Chris let us know this would have been Comet Mellish - thanks!
http://www.galaxyzooforum.org/index.php?topic=278414.0 (http://www.galaxyzooforum.org/index.php?topic=278414.0)
If the middy keeping the log on HMS Amethyst had an eye for astronomy, his counterpart on HMS Phaeton
seems to be more concerned with greengrocery: "1 bag of potatoes 112
lbs lost overboard by accdent" ::) Although I suppose, to be fair, he
was probably told this dreadful accident needed to be recorded :D.
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HMS Phaeton docked at Birkenhead, 1 June 1915: "Leave to boys until 9.45 pm to attend picture palace" :).
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Aww ! I just wonder which 'movie' they were going to see ! :D
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Nice to know they thought about some light relief for the boys, even during the war!
From HMS New Zealand's log, 26 August 1919, while in port at Wellington (ahem, New Zealand) -
am
and early pm: "Hands employed as requisite..." (so far, so
standard) "... and decorating ship" (Oh, that's different)
early evening: "Ship's Company held Ball"
"1200 visitors"
Not
sure if the 1200 visitors were all at the ball - they'be been recording
lots of visitors (16,000+ on the first Saturday after they arrived, and
21,000+ on the Sunday), but they're shown as xxx Ship Visitors.
Anyway,
did a WW1 battle cruiser have acres of open deck available for the
holding of balls (I can remember at least two before this), like the
sailing ships had?
And I wonder what the Ship's Company did for partners?
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I'm sure there would have been plenty of local girls who would have
been more than willing to dance with a dashing sailor at a ball!
;D
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Well, I don't think I'd call this actually "riveting", but it was
something that I hadn't considered. On Feb 25th, 1921
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-76850/ADM%2053-76850-0034_1.jpg),
after removing all their bags and hammocks, the entire of the crew of
the Endeavour left the ship for the HMS Egmont except for 5 ratings so
the ship could be fumigated. Feel kind of sorry for the 5 who had
to stay behind!
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Unbelievably riveting. I jumped ship and joined the
battlecruiser HMS Invincible. In November 1914 they had fun
"crossing the line" when "H.M. King Neptune held his court and carried
out the customary rites". (My mother had told me about that when
she was travelling to North Africa in WW2). I thought that was
interesting.
However, on 8th December 1914 they were involved in
quite a scrap in the Falklands involving a number of British and German
vessels. 2 German ships were sunk including the flagship of
German Admiral von Spee. I was pleased and moved to note that they went
full speed ahead to pick up survivors. The following day they held
a short funeral service for dead German sailors.
At the
end of the same day they altered course several times "for investigating
whales". I expect they needed nature to help them recover
from the terrors of their experience.
Fancy transcribing all that on the eve of Remembrance Sunday. Thank you Old Weatherfolk, I'm very touched.
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If Veero's mother encountered King Neptune on a trip to North
Africa, if she started from the northern hemisphere, the equator's moved
a bit, or Africa had sudden continental drfit.
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I agree, that sounded odd. I was thinking of that after I
posted my message. My mother, who was a military
nurse, sailed on a troop ship that went via South Africa. I
expect they had to avoid the Med because of enemy occupation and
manoeuvres in North Africa. I wonder how they reached the Libyan
desert - I imagine they went to Cairo via the Suez
Canal.
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Our forbears' lives were much more complicated than we think them to be!
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46283/ADM%2053-46283-010_1.jpg
What was it do you think Mr G Tracey said to be issued with a 1919 ASBO :)?
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Ooh! You're on the Laurentic?! That was my first ship ;D
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We had an interesting day today on the Caronia outside New York in
April - the side of Caronia was rammed by a 6 masted schooner!
Around 8PM so dark, but still a clear good-weather day. Who can be
blamed for this fender bender?! I'd think that ships that large
on an open sea would be easy to spot and avoid!! ???
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The six master was quite within his rights. At the beginning
of the steam era, Richard Henry Dana (he of Two Years Before the Mast)
promulgated the doctrine of "steam gives way to sail". It is
observed in the breach when a hulking great 250,000 ton oil tanker
encounters a Cornish Crabber, but might doesn't make right, you know!
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The
six master was quite within his rights. At the beginning of the
steam era, Richard Henry Dana (he of Two Years Before the Mast)
promulgated the doctrine of "steam gives way to sail". It is
observed in the breach when a hulking great 250,000 ton oil tanker
encounters a Cornish Crabber, but might doesn't make right, you know!
Thanks
for the lesson on sea-courtesy. Land lubbers like me need a
teacher here. Since the wind is not controlable in an engine room,
it makes sense - provided no one works out Newton's Laws for various
sizes!
I have to wonder about someone's intelligent reasoning:
if a tall ship comes up against a large Cunard liner like our
Caronia that has great mass and therefore little agility, should they be
stubborn about demanding passage through the liner? I'd think the
greater fragility of the wood would be more important than hubris!
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An interesting letter from HMS Argonaut:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34038/ADM53-34038-007_0.jpg
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...yeah, and the crew all looked a bit Dutch ;D
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But what a beautiful handwriting ! ;D
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Now why can't our logs be written that clearly? Wow!
...how does one "look Dutch"?
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Generally by being tall and fair-haired.
I am unlikely to be mistaken for a Dutch person. ;)
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Caro - by looking at your avatar, i'd say you're short, and a bit furry ;D
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Well I am short .... ;D
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I got the New Zealand dateline experience too - on the first 12 Oct
the logkeeper wrote 'Australian date' above the date, and on the second
one he wrote 'American date'.
On the clock changing thing, when
they were heading across the Indian Ocean there were a lot of days with
the entry 'Set clocks forward [or was it back?] 20 mins' at
2.00 am. On this leg there was a clock change of, I think, 35
mins, and one of 15 mins. So, yes, they are evidently adjusting to
solar time. I didn't think it was interesting enough to record it
though..... :-[
When they arrive in a port, they're only going
to be synchronised with the local time if that's the true solar
time. It would be amazing if that were so everywhere, but I
haven't seen any entries suggesting a synchronisation to local
time. Unless that's what accounts for the odd changes in the
Pacific. Or would there have been tables of how everywhere's local
time was + or - solar time?
I wonder how many clocks there were.
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(http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb352/Fiona_Wynn/UnknownMan.jpg?t=1290270096)
Am I right in thinking that's 'No results' at the end? Does that mean the sentry missed and the unknown man legged it?
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looks like "no results" to me - I wonder if it was just some kid who liked ships - that would be a shock to one's system! ;D
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Well, earlier a boy was injured on the dock and treated onboard -
maybe it was the same boy come back to say thanks? ;D
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I think it reads - no results which I would translate as 'he missed'.
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HMS Crocus, 24th October 1923 : ship placed in quarantaine, because of cholera !
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74528/ADM%2053-74528-151_0.jpg
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Because cholera is carried in water, and never communicated between
people, isn't that confining everyone on board with the contaminated
water? Did that tragedy happen regularly?
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(http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb352/Fiona_Wynn/LeaveBoysMrSmith.jpg)
Who is Mr Smith and what is he doing with my boys?!
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Probably commissioned schoolmaster.
Gordon
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Hello Cyzaki
Having trouble identifying Mr. Smith. What is the date range and ship this entry came?
All best
don
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HMS Almanzora, November 1916.
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I seem to be in Brocklebank Dock, Liverpool. So the mystery of the Southern Base is solved!
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Because
cholera is carried in water, and never communicated between people,
isn't that confining everyone on board with the contaminated
water? Did that tragedy happen regularly?
The
quarantaine was lifted the next day or so. They had a couple of medical
inspections and they disinfected the ship. The numbers in the sick bay
stayed normal, so I guess it was just this one casualty.
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Because
cholera is carried in water, and never communicated between people,
isn't that confining everyone on board with the contaminated
water? Did that tragedy happen regularly?
The
quarantaine was lifted the next day or so. They had a couple of medical
inspections and they disinfected the ship. The numbers in the sick bay
stayed normal, so I guess it was just this one casualty.
I'm Im glad it was handled so quickly, and that there was no epidemic.
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It was ports' medical authorities who quarantined ships. They
had no duty of care towards ships' crews and were concerned only that
infection should not be transferred from ship to shore.
o ships
were often sent to a remote part of an anchorage to sit it out until an
epidemic has passed (usually by virtue of a number of days
quarantine).
By our period the miasma theory of disease
transmission was long gone, and it was recognised cholera was water
-borne. (The John Snow and Braod Street pump affair.)
Whether precautions were taken to clean out ships' water tanks, I don't know.
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A bit of light relief on the HMS Crocus, 15th May 1921 :D
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4084/5211641202_a5e0f693d3_z.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74526/ADM%2053-74526-061_0.jpg
ps : the second whaler didn't return until 6 am the next day.
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This was the day they sold the ship I'd been Captain of out from
under everyone. I found it symbolic that the last notation before
the ship was sold was of the hands scrubbing all the decks. It's
been a strangely sad experience for me.
http://www.oldweather.org/classify/edit/4cf18a7934617d033500001f
My voyage is finished, but the ship is only 94% complete. Some one else will have to finish it.
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That's so sad. :( You can just imagine how the crew felt.
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I was feeling down, so started working on survey ships for a total
change of pace. And discovered I really enjoy them, and the quiet
detailed study they do. I brought Sealark to 100% in the Solomon
Islands, and am now working on Endeavor outside Alexandria, Egypt.
Also,
they tend to be very careful of the weather data and precise and terse
about their notes. Probably from the scientific mindset.
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Taken prisoner by Moors! :o
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36573/ADM%2053-36573-076_0.jpg)
But it all ends well ;D
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36573/ADM%2053-36573-076_1.jpg)
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On the Leviathan, April 5, 1918. Note the "to & from" near
the top of the log - searching for the distressed SS Veronica.
Then crews ready for towing, a derelict is spotted, and the towing gear
is put away. I couldn't find anything about an SS veronica for
this time period.
http://www.oldweather.org/classify/edit/4cf3291c34617d5e42000043
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I can't compete with being attacked by the moors, but I still think
it's cool that the log for HMS Lunka notes a lunar eclipse occuring at
12:15 AM on July 5, 1917.
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Just felt that I had to report that I have just completed HMS
Hood. I feel quite proud to have done that. Tomorrow I
shall have the pleasure of selecting another ship to work on.
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It's so exciting when you choose a new ship! Do you go for one you
think might be exciting, or one with beautiful handwriting, or one that
seems sad and lonely with nobody caring for it? Or do you try for the
jackpot of all three at once?! ;D
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It's
so exciting when you choose a new ship! Do you go for one you think
might be exciting, or one with beautiful handwriting, or one that seems
sad and lonely with nobody caring for it? Or do you try for the jackpot
of all three at once?! ;D
If
I ever finish Leviathan, I'm going for the sad and lonely one. I
know it ends - there should be about two more years' worth of logs to
deal with before it's paid off.
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Somehow I think I'll go for a sad and lonely one too ! ;D
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So... anyone interested in how a mutiny looks?
Here's a
summary of what I transcribed last night before my internet went
down. Unfortunately, it didn't come back up until just now, and
the rest of the logs for a month after the fact are already done so I
don't have access :(
HEY! I think anyone who is
Captain should be able to have access to all their ship's logs.
Whaddaya think? Anyway, on to the mutiny. There's no
mention, however, of the piano that ended up on the dock.
HMS Leviathan, in port at Birkenhead
Prior
to October 6th - nothing unusual logged. No mention of unrest
with the Stokers, no unusual amount of warrants read, and no mention of a
cancelled leave.
October 6, 1918
Noon: Ship's Police, NCOs, P/Os posted on dockyard gates.
1:15p - Large numbers of ships company assembled on jetty.
1:35 - Large numbers of ships company, accompanied by civilians, marched out through Green Lane dockyard gate, against orders.
3:30 - About 70 men (absentees) broke into ship.
5:00 - Posted armed Marine guard (6 men & NCO) at each (4) dockyard gate.
5:10 - Large numbers of Ships Company (estimated at 150) broke through marine guard and out of Green Lane dockyard gate.
October 7
12:45a - Number of absentees returned aboard (est 60)
6:60 - Number of absentees returned aboard (estimated 100)
8:00 - Leading hands of Stoker's messes interviewed by Captain on Quarterdeck
9:30 - 2 or 3 parties of men broke out of ship at intervals.
10:15am - Men wishing to see Captain interviewed by Captain.
10:30pm - Stoker Percy sent under escort to Bridewell.
October 8
7:30a - Men who broke out returned aboard.
9:15 - Admiral Stileman (SNO Liverpool) came aboard, hands mustered by the ledger.
11:50 - Hauled off dock wall and proceeded under Pilot, out of dock, 4 tugs in attendance.
12:30p - Made fast to Cunard Buoy
7:00p - SNO left.
October 9
10:30a - Court of Enquiry held aboard. President: Commodore Luce R.N.
A couple days later, the Court of Enquiry continued.
...And that's when I was so tired, I had to go to bed, and then the internet went down.
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re Leviathan -- wow! so VERy sorry I missed all that - i did
logs before & after. the only mention was a (then) mysterious
"continued court of inquiry" on October 10. Nothing that informs
the events you describe.
On another note, the Leviathan collided
with a partially submerged hull on oOct 12, leaving Birkenhead, severing
her cable. didn't seem to slow her down, though.
I'll
never make captain, but it would be great if all crew could look at
previously entered logs for the ship they're working on.
Nice work, Capt. Jenfurr!
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farrelly - you could potentially catch up - we should have two
years' worth of logs still to do, and I can't always do logs every
night; I've got three kids to deal with! But if you keep doing all
the hourly barometer readings, those add up fast! 24 a day
instead of the standard 6!
(oh - and today 9 November, two pistols turned up missing from the aft locker - keep an eye out for them, would ya?)
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Once a ship is finished, anyone can see all the logs.
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Jenfurr,
I doubt I'll have the stamina to catch up -- you're
amazing! I did get carried away for a while with the sinking of
the Orissa while in convoy, then recommissioned for a secret mission
(turns out they were carrying bullion to another ship anchored of
Halifax.) After I finished Nov. 8 - barely able to to focus after all
those itsy-bitsy barometer readings, and were they running low on
ink?--I did take a peek at Nov. 9 and saw the pistol thing. I'll
let you know if I find anything else about it.
I was also
thinking more about your riot entry - I can't help wondering if it
wasn't related to the death of Stoker Miller in NY around September 5.
(Dangerous conditions for stokers?)
One more thing -- the war
ended (armistice at least) with the Leviathan on convoy duty approaching
Britain. Not a peep about it in the log.
Kathy
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oh dear - the rest of you had better hang on to your hats - there are two of us now!
Kathy
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This is incredible stuff. You know what's strange, though,
is that I can't find mention of it through a basic Google search.
You'd think it'd be easy. I wonder if they swept it under the
carpet. Or if nothing came of it.
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OW Team Member "Navalhistory" found this account of the mutiny, which is how I knew what/when to look...
http://books.google.com/books?id=fsFhYp6HQIUC&pg=PA71&dq=isbn:9004171398&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=3#v=onepage&q=leviathan&f=false
I've tried to look for the history of the Leviathan, and there's just not much out there for WWI.
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Grog is very important :o
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36573/ADM%2053-36573-144_1.jpg)
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In fact, alcohol seems to be a bit too important to some aboard Caesar:
(http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb352/Fiona_Wynn/Alcohol.jpg)
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In fact, alcohol seems to be a bit too important to some aboard Caesar:
(http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb352/Fiona_Wynn/Alcohol.jpg)
:D LOL
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LOL indeed ;D
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Talking of wine, the other day the Captain of the Curlew had to
reprimand one of the Lieutenants for ordering wine under the pretext
that it was for guests. Mind you, I'm not surprised some of them
took to alcohol as life on this ship is not exciting - they spend a lot
of time in port.
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HMS Virginian - 5 October 1915 @ 15:05
Captain's dog overboard. Swung ship to starboard. Engines as required. Boarding ship away.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67708/ADM%2053-67708-005_1.jpg
"You fools, you brought back the wrong dog! This is a German Shepherd! Wait a minute... hmm."
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HMS Virginian - 5 October 1915 @ 15:05
Captain's dog overboard. Swung ship to starboard. Engines as required. Boarding ship away.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67708/ADM%2053-67708-005_1.jpg
"You fools, you brought back the wrong dog! This is a German Shepherd! Wait a minute... hmm."
Especially since they didn't even log if the dog was recovered! Talk about lack of caring for the well-being of a crew dog member!
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Talking
of wine, the other day the Captain of the Curlew had to reprimand one
of the Lieutenants for ordering wine under the pretext that it was for
guests. Mind you, I'm not surprised some of them took to alcohol
as life on this ship is not exciting - they spend a lot of time in port.
This
is more serious than it initially appears. If they work the same
system in a Navy wardroom that they commonly do in Army Officers Messes,
drinks for official guests are shared among all members regardless of
whether they are present or not, so this Lieutenant may have been
getting wine largely at the expense of his fellow Officers!
:o He wouldn't have been very popular!
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On Aug. 13, 1922, on the Foxglove, war medals were
presented
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77627/ADM%2053-77627-0024_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77627/ADM%2053-77627-0024_0.jpg)
Kathy W.
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I reckon that the log keeper on board the M 31 had a thing about
laundry. On one occasion they received a shell through the deck and into
the ward room and officers cabins. Damage was reported to some
furniture and two sheets and a pillow. On another occasion they lost
some towels overboard.
K
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Oh dear ! Imagine that ;D
I, for one, vote that these moments definitely have earned their place in the 'Riveting Entries' thread.
I'd never have thought that such trivial things would be worth mentioning ! Fascinating (as Mr Spock would say)
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I
reckon that the log keeper on board the M 31 had a thing about laundry.
On one occasion they received a shell through the deck and into the
ward room and officers cabins. Damage was reported to some furniture and
two sheets and a pillow. On another occasion they lost some towels
overboard.
K
Definitely riveting, in that it gives us a view on the personalities on these ships. This was definitively obsessive.
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I liked, "Stopped and dropped target, which sank immediately". I can hear the lower deck mirth from here.
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My lot landed a hockey team.
No indication of who they played or what the score was.
I can imagine the armory with rifles, pistols and hockey sticks.
K
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This one may be more curious: HMS Danae is starting to the
Azores with Flag "Delhi", "Dunedin" and "Dragon," which is why they had
to pull out of line.
Whatever could be "confidential stores" - or maybe "stones" - and why jettison they?
Also, was it common to have a squadron of 4 ships, all of whom have the same initial?
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Hello Janet
You don't have a date, but I presume post
war. The RN did have cruisers which showed off their new ships,
hence the four D class cruisers.
Confidential stores would be any
confidential that they needed to destroy as opposed to store.
Could have been anything from cypher codes to poison gas shells.
Keep up the good work!!
All best
don
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Thanks, Don. And yes, post war - February 1921.
It's nice to think of Danae showing herself off with shiny new classmates. :)
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I love the wording "hauled out of line". For me that
paints a funny image of an entire ship in biiiig trouble, like they're
gonna make it drop and give them twenty.
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That one makes me smile. :)
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Look at the "Remarks" entry for 8PM on March 13 1913.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45611/ADM%2053-45611-206_1.jpg
John Dulak
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Look at the "Remarks" entry for 8PM on March 13 1913.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45611/ADM%2053-45611-206_1.jpg
John Dulak
Guess he didn't really want that transfer?
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A new one for HMS Christopher:
9 May 18 at 1.30pm in Devonport - "Investiture Party landed to attend investiture in HMS Apollo"
I wonder what that was all about? Nothing else given.
Must have been exciting because at 4pm we got "Hands to baths"!
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-87625/ADM%2053-87625-136_0.jpg
On 11th May 1917 HMS Titania "Dressed ship in honour of Joan of Arc's Commemoration Day"
I
see she lifted the siege at new Orleans on 8th May 1429 and was
executed on 20th May 1431. She was also canonized 3 years after this, on
16th May 1920, but I see no particular Commemoration Day for her
otherwise. And odd that the British would be celebrating her.
As
an aside when I was looking for this I found on 6th May I had missed an
entry where they dressed the ship on the anniversary of the coronation
of King George V. I put in an entry therefore but it did not seem to
accept my new entry. I thought it was possible to edit log pages after
initial entry.
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I have put new notes into old pages on my ships, but there are a
variety of problems different people experience - they are still
searching for the bugs - and and variety of ways around them.
What exactly went wrong for you?
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Hi Pliget
I think that might have been the original Orleans, not new Orleans!!!
K
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On october 5th and 6th 1917 all boat crews from H.M.S. Challenger went for sailing races at Kilwa Kisiwani.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37521/ADM53-37521-0078_1.jpg
I thought that there was a war to be fought or is it in preparation for some action?
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Train hard, Fight easy ;)
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Tegwen - you are so right - just a bit of word association football getting to me there I think.
No ideas on the event though.
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In the interests of historical accuracy, and because I know a song
about this subject and because the it occurred on my birth date
(contrary to what my children might think, I'm not that old!) the
battle of New Orleans occurred Jan 8, 1915.
yours -
Kathy W.
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In the interests of accuracy, it was 1815 :D
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cyzaki and wendolk, I'm quite sure the US was battling anyone at New
Orleans in the 1900s. [Well maybe sometimes mother nature and her
hurricanes. :)]
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This a remarkable note on HMS Danae, 22nd May 1915.
"Manned ship. H.M. King of Denmark arrived and secured to no.0 buoy."
First,
I've looked in several sources and can't find any reference to a ship
HMS King of Denmark - neither just "King" belonging to Denmark nor "King
of Denmark". Which to my mind eliminates the error of the
log-keeper forgetting to write the 'S'.
Second, whatever would cause a King of Denmark to ever be secured to a buoy? Or even helping secure a ship to a buoy?
???
ADDED:
This is definitely a state visit. On the 26th I found this note:
"Dressed ship overall in honor of birthday of H.M. Queen Alexandra."
MORE ADDED: On the 30th: "Manned Ship. H.M. King of Denmark arrived." At least he involved in the ship!
AND YET MORE: On June 3rd "Dressed Ship overall in honour of HM.King's birthday."
They
also rehearsed an honour guard on the king's birthday, which must have
looked nice, and then on the 4th provided a guard of honour for the
opening of the Belgium Memorial. A VERY BUSY state visit!
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Joustly some old brain cells,
"In 1814, we took a little trip, along with Colonel Jackson, down the mighty Missipp'"
In 1815, the war was over.
All best
don
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Poor old HMS Caesar. For the last few days divers have been going
out to locate the moorings of the Flagship (whatever that may mean) and
they succeeded in marking them with buoys. Then the Dredger Queen Mary
came along, went right over the top of the buoys, and carried one of
them off.
I can just imagine the Crew of the Caesar standing on
deck shouting "Noooooooooo!" as it happened! And, sure enough, the next
day the divers are out again re-doing what the Queen Mary undid.
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Hello
Of course, not a ship. His Majesty the King of
Denmark arrived in his boat (whether a pinnace, ship's whaler, etc, etc)
at the Buoy.
All best
don
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Thanks, Don, that actually makes sense. Somehow, I didn't
think of that, just thought the ship was tied to a pier for his visit.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33655/ADM53-33655-026_1.jpg
2300 - Must have had a present day teenage time-traveller making that entry :)
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I'm not that sure - checking the Water Tight doors is part of his
standard rounds. And anyone can be awed and distracted by the
beauties of nature! Making sure his bosses know he was still
working while being wowed by the display above is probably a good 'CYA'
thing. :)
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33655/ADM53-33655-026_1.jpg
2300 - Must have had a present day teenage time-traveller making that entry :)
I think that this log entry says:
"11.0 Brilliant northern lights
all W.T. Doors closed except no 3."
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Talk about a Freudian slip! - every thing for me now has occurred in the early 1910s - 1920s - ;D
As
far as the date of the battle is concerned - yes, per the song,
engagements began in December, 1814 (i.e., the Battle of Lake Borgne) ,
however, that which we call the Battle of New Orleans occurred on
January 8, 1915.
As far as the rest of lyrics go for the song, The Battle of New Orleans, well, lets just say since this project is British, the less said the better! :P
yours -
Kathy W.
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Talk about a Freudian slip! - every thing for me now has occurred in the early 1910s - 1920s - ;D
As
far as the date of the battle is concerned - yes, per the song,
engagements began in December, 1814 (i.e., the Battle of Lake Borgne) ,
however, that which we call the Battle of New Orleans occurred on
January 8, 1915.
There's
that 20th century battle again!! Our countries were not stupid
enough to repeat the War of 1812. And no, as a guest here, I will
not talk about the the results of 1815.
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Honestly - this project is effecting even my fingers and
subconscious - I think 1815 and type 1915!!! I even check it for errors
and SEE 1815 - I give up - I just have to accept that Old Weather has
completely taken over my mind (ohhh - maybe that was what was intended
all along ;D)
yours -
Kathy W.
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DJ to Dr. X, DJ to Dr. X. The plan is working. Our zombie army is nearly complete. Over.
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;D ;D ;D
zombily yours -
Kathy W.
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My lot just gave a lift to HM Commissioner for Somalia, his wife and
seven Sheikhs, from Berbera to Djibouti, and to 25 native soldiers with
scurvy from Laskhorai to Berbera. We are little more than a taxi, but
still fascinating.
K
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1100 Half masted colours. Observed 2 minutes silence - in commemoration of 2nd anniversary of the Armistice.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-87622/ADM%2053-87622-031_1.jpg
Rather made me think.
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HMS Canopus - 27 November 1914, Port Stanley
"Penguins Day Crew left ship" ???
the day before, the "Torpedo Lieut's party left ship, with mining gear"
That sounds quite a party... any ideas what that's all about?
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I don't know about the Torpedo Lieut., but the other is probably a
nature walk - and motivation for exercise. I plugged "falkland
islands penquins" into Yahoo, and this is one of several results:
http://www.seabirds.org/penguins.htm
They really are there!
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Falklands Islands wildlife is truly amazing, spent 7 months there back in 1986.
Doubt
they were digging for coal, so think we are talking sea mines
here. Torpedo Lt would have been the expert, so they were probably
either laying some, checking on previously laid ones or going out to
blow up a rogue one.
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More taxi passengers
For the forthcoming trip from Aden to
Parim we have on board 20 sheep and fodder, 8 sick sailors, the envoy of
the Shereif of Mecca and his retinue one French officer, and a
partridge in a pear tree.
OK I added the partridge in a pear tree, but the rest are genuine.
K
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Only the Royal Navy ... :)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34560/ADM%2053-34560-016_1.jpg
1600 Ceased coaling for tea
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Re Joan of Arc.
Sorry Pliget, I missed your comment about why should the British commemorate Joan of Arc. The basic reason is guilt.
The
English burnt her at Rouen for heresy because she had roused the French
to fight against us. She claimed voices from God had caused her to come
to the French court to raise an army to kick the English out of France.
We have felt guilty about it ever since.
George Bernard Shaw wrote a magnificent play about her shortly after her cannonisation in 1920.
There
is the most remarkable church in the market place at Rouen on the site
of the burning. http://saint-joan-of-arc.com/rouen.htm.
IMHO it is more impressive than the famous cathedral at Rouen.
K
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H.M.S. Challenger has been recommissioned: 5 officers and 305
ratings went from ship and a new crew boarded. I hope I get quickly
accustomed to the new scripture.
I could nor read what the 6 ~ joined for disposal are.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37521/ADM53-37521-0135_0.jpg
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supernumaries or personnel over the normal contingent
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Thanks Pliget for your reading.
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@ Haywain, @Janet Jaguar - thanks, that makes sense! I spent time in
Chilean Patagonia in '94 and even hitched a life on an ex-British
troopship that was then with the Chilean Navy. Spooky to think that 80
years before, British and German ships were chasing and sinking each
other in those same waters. :-\
Meanwhile, on the way to the Med,
Canopus came across a derelict wooden schooner which they tried to sink
by ramming it. Oh and was very smelly!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69505/ADM%2053-69505-072_1.jpg
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It must have been terrible, if they put something so insubstantial in the log! Glad I wasn't there. :P
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Reindeer meat for dinner!
Merry Christmas? yikes. http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34122/ADM53-34122-011_0.jpg
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It's a bit gruesome, thinking about eating Rudolf. But he probably tasted good. 8)
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Ooo, is that ever a twisted image.
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I'm concerned about the ratings that were to be disposed of - that
sounds like we could find them in the old Meadowlands stadium in New
Jersey ;D (For those that may not be aware, the Mafia
supposedly used the Meadowlands [which was an American football stadium]
as a burial ground for its victims, particular Jimmy Hoffa, who was a
labor union leader and who just disappeared one day.)
yours-
Kathy W.
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Too much wine is not good for health.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37521/ADM53-37521-0151_1.jpg
I could not identify the word between "Forsyth" and "Royal Navy". Thanks for your help.
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;D Forrest I think.
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Lieutentant Commander Edward J. Forsyth-Forrest, seniority in rank 1 October 1916.
All best
don
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Thanks Caro and Don
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Here's a distracted entry that made me laugh - HMS Danae just
happens to be in the Chatham Dockyard at this time. But some
lieutenant thought time could be a place! ;D
I did transcribe exactly as written - hope it gives the analysis team a bit of a chuckle also.
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Ah, well plenty of distractions in Chatham for a young sailor with money in his pocket.... ;D
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Here's
a distracted entry that made me laugh - HMS Danae just happens to be in
the Chatham Dockyard at this time. But some lieutenant thought
time could be a place! ;D
I did transcribe exactly as written - hope it gives the analysis team a bit of a chuckle also.
That
happened to me once too... when transcribing a weather entry, he had
put something like 29.85 as the barometer, and 85 as the associated
temperature... in the middle of winter! all other entries were in
the high 50's!
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Just goes to prove, no one's perfect. :D
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Who put ice around the thermometer? ::) ::)
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That one's particularly cute! ;D
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Not so much a riveting entry as a riveting ship (no pun intended).
SS Fram was boarded at 0450 by HMS Andes whilst carrying "Metals and machinery" from New York to Bergen.
This
the ship that took Nansen, Sverdrup and Amundsen on their Polar
travels. Well, maybe it's another Fram but I still think the name is
worth a mention. The Polar ship now rests in a museum in Oslo, open to
the public.
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Who put ice around the thermometer? ::) ::)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37521/ADM53-37521-0215_0.jpg
oh that's a good one! Maybe it was a cold front like in the movie Day After Tomorrow?
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Destroyer HMS Torch has just experienced 3 very sloppy days.
See the pictures below for details, but here is the summary:
Oct.
14th
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63333/ADM%2053-63333-025_0.jpg),
they lost a torpedo during exercises and had to spend hours looking for
it.
Oct. 15th (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63333/ADM%2053-63333-025_1.jpg), they kept looking, with divers.
Also on Oct. 15th, they lost overboard a very complex mock buoy.
Oct.
16th
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63333/ADM%2053-63333-026_0.jpg),
after further looking they had to give up.
No one's idea of fun. What kind of torture do the other crews in the flotilla perpetrate on them after this mess?
EDIT: This was added to their woes on Oct. 19th, making for a very, very bad week!!
Drifter No.32 put hole in ship's side port side abreast 49 frame.
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that is class. You wouldn't want to be the guy that had to go and tell the Captain :-\
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Retribution is, um, not very swift at all.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33656/ADM53-33656-006_0.jpg
On
the 23 July 1917 Actg Sub Lieut Harold McCarthy RNR did wilfully obtain
and make use of a free railway pass between Liverpool & Derby well
knowing that he was not entitled to it.
One has to wonder how it was discovered.
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Truly, finding any evidence after 3 months discovering it at all must have been some kind of boasting to a buddy.
What
I'm wondering about is the "Acting Sub Lieutenant" - how low is it
possible for an officer to be demoted? This can't have been his
only problem! :P
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that is class. You wouldn't want to be the guy that had to go and tell the Captain :-\
"Uhhhh Captain - Sir? - we uhhhh ummmm lost a torpedo."
"Well go retrieve it, man!"
"Uhhhh Captain - Sir? - while looking for the torpedo, we lost a really complex buoy"
"No more grog for all!"
"Uhhhh Captain - Sir? - Drifter #32 just titanic'd us"
"Everyone to the brig!"
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Uhhhh Captain - Sir? We uuuuh lost the Brig overboard as well.
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Retribution is, um, not very swift at all.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33656/ADM53-33656-006_0.jpg
On
the 23 July 1917 Actg Sub Lieut Harold McCarthy RNR did wilfully obtain
and make use of a free railway pass between Liverpool & Derby well
knowing that he was not entitled to it.
One has to wonder how it was discovered.
Unfortunately
for Mr McCarthy, he failed to realise that things are actually audited -
not a very intelligent fraud. That would also lead to a criminal
conviction, rather mucks up your life.
With regard to hi acting rank , presumeably he was a Midshipman.
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Many young, new criminals are excessly stupid about it - they seem to think that breaking the law is always easy. ::)
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Many young, new criminals are excessly stupid about it - they seem to think that breaking the law is always easy. ::)
Breaking the law is easy... it's once you get caught that things get hard!
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Many young, new criminals are excessly stupid about it - they seem to think that breaking the law is always easy. ::)
Breaking the law is easy... it's once you get caught that things get hard!
Correct
- I'll reword this. They think going totally unnoticed is easy,
so they don't worry about being caught. Which is both insulting
and stupid in its own way. (Professional criminals don't make the
same mistake, unfortunately.)
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Sometimes it is good for the morale to have a concert and a football game and a visit by the O.O. Guard.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37521/ADM53-37521-0250_1.jpg
Of this page I would say: Find the error! Maybe "Jenny Wrens" distracted the copist. ;D ;D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37521/ADM53-37521-0251_0.jpg
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The HMS Challenger crew must have had a bad time mustering by open
list and being read Articles of War and only the Boys had permission to
go on land.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37521/ADM53-37521-0258_0.jpg
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Makes you wonder what's been happening below decks that didn't get into the previous logs. ???
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HMS Kent
20 March 1918
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-45613/ADM53-45613-109_0.jpg
11am - Divers searching for bullion lost overboard from SS Miltiades
3pm - Divers employed searching for box of bullion
4pm - Court of enquiry assembled on board to investigate loss of box of bullion from SS Miltiades
looks like someone is going to get in big trouble =/
21 March
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-45613/ADM53-45613-109_1.jpg
2pm - still looking
22 March
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-45613/ADM53-45613-110_0.jpg
still looking...
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uhoh... looks like a lot of people decided to take an extended vacation!
This is gonna take a while to enter!
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Joke Slayer,
there is also the Court Martial called on March
22! :o At least they knew who to blame! And spending
lots of time looking must have a very strong motivation.
jennfurr,
is
that a mutiny in the making? ??? Why would that many crew
all go to get drunk together, without a single cool head in the bunch of
them? You will have to keep us informed!
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Joke Slayer,
there
is also the Court Martial called on March 22! :o At least
they knew who to blame! And spending lots of time looking must
have a very strong motivation.
I know, may not be related though
also
I happened to miss the page with the 24th of March I believe it was,
and after that there was no more mention of the incident =(
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The logs are frequently like that - if it doesn't affect the ship as
a whole, they don't list it! Very frustrating to us
time-travelers. :(
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Of this page I would say: Find the error! Maybe "Jenny Wrens" distracted the copist. ;D ;D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37521/ADM53-37521-0251_0.jpg
Is
that the top of the page says the ship is in Simonstown (South Africa),
but then below it on the left it says what looks like 'Mozambique'?
That's tricky ol' handwriting to decode
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One of my favourites so far.
"Hands employed embarking on
board 2 15 pdr field guns & limbers & 500 rounds ammunition.
Also 2 tons medical stores and 1 horse. "
Mustnt forget the horse!
K
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Is
that the top of the page says the ship is in Simonstown (South Africa),
but then below it on the left it says what looks like 'Mozambique'?
That's tricky ol' handwriting to decode
Your
correct Pirate Roberts, HMS Challenger left Simonstown weeks ago and
was about a week at Mozambique. I don't know which port it is as I found
only the country but no harbour with this name.
Tegwen,
I hope they had a good and comfortable stable for the horse and that the voyage wasn't too long.
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No, Not far, just across the Red Sea from Port Sudan to Jeddah.
No mention of stabling, or of fodder this time. At least when we took some sheep they also loaded fodder.
K
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H.M.S. Challenger must have a lazy crew, they lost some thing which I
couldn't identify and a Lieutenant was reprimanded for loosing a skiff.
What I find interesting is that the reprimand is written in red.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37521/ADM53-37521-0259_1.jpg
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Hi
My best guess for what was lost is
"deep sea lead & 100 fthm cable lost by accident"
Not sure about the word cable, but the rest looks right.
Any other thoughts?
I have never seen an entry in red. Damned careless to just mislay a skiff, so he probably deserved it!!!!
K
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h.kohler, it's definitely "Deep sea lead & 100 fthms" something,
probably cable or cord, lost by accident. They must have been
taking soundings in depth of the ocean and lost their grip on the end of
it.
The skiff was lost while sailing, which means the lieutenant
was a careless sailor/pilot of his craft. He's probably glad to
have survived the crash, but it is NOT likely to earn him the respect of
the ratings under him or his fellow lieutenants!
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Thanks Tegwen and Janet for your comments.
It is the second
time that I see an entry in red, the first was about an other Lieutenant
from HMS Challenger who had too much wine. Captain Sykes, if I remember
well his name, seems to like writing his reprimands in red. I am not
sure if he is still on board because the ship was recommissioned but I
don't remember exactly when, the only thing I remember is that it was is
Simonstown.
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Sorry, I have done it again.
The "mislay" was a joke. I just dont like emoticons, but perhaps I should use them or stop making jokes.
K
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Not necessary, but they help because we can none of us see the faces
and hear the tone of voice that are normal clues. I also get
taken too seriously sometimes when I forget to use them. ;)
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The Foxglove has been playing with our friends. The day
before, the sloops went out together for firing practice and now this:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77629/ADM%2053-77629-0046_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77629/ADM%2053-77629-0046_1.jpg)
;D :o
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More from HMS Kent
2nd June
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-45613/ADM53-45613-153_0.jpg
9:55 close call
4th June
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-45613/ADM53-45613-154_0.jpg
a fair bit more eventful
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Good grief!! A near-missed collision, 2 exploding depth charges, and
a damaged seaplane, all in one morning in a home port!! :o
Thank heavens most days aren't quite that hectic!
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Well we do often find interesting items of course, but I have
transcribed nearly 2,000 pages and have yet to see a German ship!
Admittedly two of my ships are peacetime navy, particularly the
endlessly dull Foxglove as Wendolk highlights above. However, the log
keeper does have immaculate if minute handwriting, restful after
battling the illegible scrawl of Laconia.
Foxglove often meets the
Insect class gunboats that patrolled the Yangtse and one does have to
sympathise with the tars who went ashore with "Cockchafer" on their hat
ribbons.
The crew of "Cricket" may be interested to see her last resting place at http://www.hmsfalcon.com/cricket/gallery8.htm
Happy transcribing all!
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They're really feeling the pressure on Arlanza: a very clearly written 80.24 on Nov. 18th, 1916. :o
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HMS Torch had a very busy and embarassing morning, 14th March
1919! We are in port at Constantinoble, Turkey, and were balancing
our compass when we collided with a Turkish barque.
The good
news is we were already secured to a tug, who promptly towed us out of
danger. And our maneuvers were being commanded by a Commander N.
from Lord Nelson. Does that keep the Lieutenant who is our ship's
captain out of trouble?
It certainly would have been a learning experience to him, of what not to do while swinging your ship. :(
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Hi Janet
I am not an expert or even an ex sailor, but I read
it that they finished swinging the ship under direction of Commander N,
then they anchored. They started to drag the anchor and that bought them
across the bows of the barque.
I think it would be the
responsibility of the senior watch officer to ensure that they werent
dragging anchor, so it is their fault.
Do any sailors know for sure whether it is possible to swing the ship for deviations while at anchor? I had assumed not.
K
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Canopus at the battle of the falklands 8 december 1914 Severn vs the
konigsberg 6 and 11 july 1915 especially the 11 july battle.
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Hi James,
could you post a copy of the log page please. This surely sounds riveting.
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A court of inquiry was held on board of Challenger but I don't know
if there was any action taken as the log of the month of october 1918 is
missing.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37522/ADM53-37522-0018_0.jpg
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A
court of inquiry was held on board of Challenger but I don't know if
there was any action taken as the log of the month of october 1918 is
missing.
Almost
always, there are never any results in the logs. Having the Court
meet affects the rhythm of life on the ship, both by occupying space
and demanding manpower. But no lowly lieutenants are in there with
them to find out what's happening, and the results never touch the
crew.
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Thanks Janet.
I didn't know that. Therefore we have to wait
until 2017 to know the results as court decisions are not disclosed for
99 years (what I know of).
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Yes. Unfortunately. :(
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St. Elmo's fire:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34129/ADM53-34129-014_1.jpg
(How do you select & post only what shown in the magnifying widget?)
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(How do you select & post only what shown in the magnifying widget?)
You
have to have some kind of screenshot program that allows taking
pictures of a part of what's on your screen. Then you have to save
on your computer and then upload as an attachment, or post it online at
something the publishes online photo album and insert that into the
message body.
The key is getting something that will photo it in the first place.
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Torch recorded a 4 day long effort
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=885.msg8838#msg8838) trying
to tow a Russian destroyer very long distances, amounting a humongous
list of lost materials and a stranded and abandoned Russian ship.
Very dramatic, I wrote it all out on the HMS Torch timeline and am
giving you that link.
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thanks, Janet Jaguar, x2!
Kathy 8)
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Just finished transcribing the HMS Kent's log pages for the battle of the Falkland Islands:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45610/ADM%2053-45610-042_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45610/ADM%2053-45610-043_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45610/ADM%2053-45610-043_1.jpg
As you can imagine it took quite some time and I could not have done it without the help of this site as a reference:
http://www.firstworldwar.com/battles/falklandislands.htm
John Dulak
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After arriving at anchor in Monrovia H.M.S.Challenger fired 21
Salutes. The next day she fired 4 Salutes for Consuls and President's
representative.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37527/ADM53-37527-0014_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37527/ADM53-37527-0015_0.jpg
P.S. On the first page there is a cross sign with four points whose meaning with the bower (an anchor) I did not understand
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Anchor bearings. When at anchor in a bay, the officer of the watch
takes bearings on two, sometimes three local landmarks, so that the
watch can refer to these later and see if they are where they are
supposed to be. These bearings may also be required if there is some
dispute later about where they anchored.
Here the officer has taken bearings on the lighthouse and the cape, presumably the last point of the cape.
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John (Dulak),
You might like to look at the official
despatch, and British casualties and awards at
http://www.naval-history.net/WW1Battle1412Falklands.htm
Gordon
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John (Dulak),
You
might like to look at the official despatch, and British casualties and
awards at http://www.naval-history.net/WW1Battle1412Falklands.htm
Gordon
Gordon:
Thanks
for the link. I knew wnen I was transcribing the pages that I was not
the first one to take a good long look at them. That was what led me to
look for a "Cheat Sheet" to help sort it out.
John
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Anchor
bearings. When at anchor in a bay, the officer of the watch takes
bearings on two, sometimes three local landmarks, so that the watch can
refer to these later and see if they are where they are supposed to be.
These bearings may also be required if there is some dispute later about
where they anchored.
Here the officer has taken bearings on the lighthouse and the cape, presumably the last point of the cape.
Thanks Dorbel for your informations. At 56 still learning :D :D :D
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"Yesterday" HMS Challenger was on her way back to England in 1919.
"Today"
what was not my surprise to find her in Spithead on the 20th of July
1914 at a large Navy exercise with the presence of the King.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69573/ADM53-69573-006_1.jpg
From the first of August the crew was daily preparing the ship for battle and many officers and ratings where boarding.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69573/ADM53-69573-012_1.jpg
Finally
at 11.00 PM 4th of August, while on patrol between Searweatter and
Foreland, orders to commence hostilities where received.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69573/ADM53-69573-013_1.jpg
Her first day of war was quite eventful: One prize ship (Ullaboog) and one shot to S.S. Highgate.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69573/ADM53-69573-014_0.jpg
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Well, not exactly riveting, but a new one on me:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34137/ADM53-34137-008_1.jpg
[ 1 chief writer joined ship. ] Anyone seen that before?
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That is very curious. Not only have I never heard of a writer onboard any ship, but a chief writer implies more than one of them there.
Hope some of our naval members can help explain this. :-\
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Writer ratings keep all the books aboard. Accounts, stores,
personnel, anything really, as well as typing all the ships letters and
despatches. A writer probably prepares the copies of the logs that we
see. They are seamen, so have basic training in seaman skills, but
"writing" is their speciality. A very large ship would certainly have a
Chief Writer, but one imagines that a smaller ship would be managed by a
PO Writer or even a Leading Writer.
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How interesting! Do you think the lovely and readable
handwriting we see in some logs means the entries were more likely done
by a writer? That is, was legible handwriting a qualification?
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Not riveting, but tantalizing: (see entry for 11 AM)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34138/ADM53-34138-013_0.jpg
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Not just tantalizing but frustrating! No one should ever end a sentence, "...to enquire into ." :P
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A ship is salved, things are lost and a Funeral party is landed.
Quite an eventful day.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-37518/ADM%2053-37518-031_1.jpg
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How frustrating! When you think of all the very mundane entries which could have been left unfinished ....
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I agree with you but I don't think that they had time for
mundanities as they are in Duala, an occupied German colony, and surely
the german population did not want to mix with English troops or
officers.
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Not just tantalizing but frustrating! No one should ever end a sentence, "...to enquire into ." :P
"Ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put." - Winston Churchill
John
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;D, sorry ! ;)
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A happy occasion on a dreadful time.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-37518/ADM%2053-37518-045_0.jpg
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1040 Sir E. Shackleton & Captain came aboard
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34544/ADM%2053-34544-003_1.jpg
This
would be at the time of his failed expedition to cross Antarctica. He
had retreated across the pack ice when his ship "Endurance" had been
crushed in the ice in October 1915. In April 1916, having crossed the
ice and sea, Shackleton and his party reached Elephant Island where he
left most of his men. He set out with a few others in a lifeboat to try
to reach the whaling station in South Georgia some 800 miles away and
then made the first crossing of the S. Georgia mountains.
He made several attempts to rescue his men on Elephant Island, eventually succeeding in picking them up in August 1916.
There
is a BBC tv series (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0272839/) on the
expedition, with Kenneth Branagh as Shackleton, as well as a documentary
(http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0198559/) made in 1923.
All part of the legend of Shackleton who never lost a man on his expeditions to the Antarctic.
For an avid reader of all the Polar stories this is definitely the highlight of my travels with Oldweather!
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Coincidence (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-12202880)?
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1040 Sir E. Shackleton & Captain came aboard
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34544/ADM%2053-34544-003_1.jpg
Truly astounding!
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When they reached the whaling station on South Georgia, apparently their first question was, "When did the war end?"
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Two interesting events:
First a Tornado is sighed.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-37518/ADM%2053-37518-082_0.jpg
Second convalescents are sent to a Sanatorium.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-37518/ADM%2053-37518-083_1.jpg
There are no informations on how many were on Sick List as there are no entries for a few weeks.
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Maybe not riveting, but quite interesting
HMS King Alfred
(http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc506/LupusUK/Boxing.jpg)
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I like the idea of a boxing competition being 'witnessed' LupusUK.
Welcome to the forum. :D
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How
interesting! Do you think the lovely and readable handwriting we
see in some logs means the entries were more likely done by a
writer? That is, was legible handwriting a qualification?
I
never cease to be amazed at the lovely handwriting in some logs, and
the less readable handwriting in others. I must confess, Merlin's
logs are for the most part very legible and readable, and that was a
factor in my selecting that ship to work on.
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Which of us would not wish to have been on board HMS Severn for this:
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:) :) :)
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Empty lifeboats: please see entries at 5 & 6 am. Kind of haunting . . .
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34146/ADM53-34146-014_0.jpg
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ah, that one made me shiver!
yours,
Kathy
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Here is something I found interesting - check out the last entry at the bottom of the page -
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77629/ADM%2053-77629-0156_0.jpg
I think it is so different today - no one would refer to an outpost in a sovereign nation's territory like that anymore
yours -
Kathy
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What a busy day:
Captain changed, officers boarding others
leaving, Chief B~~~ and several ratings boarding and finally prepared
for sea. H.M.S. Challenger has not moved since end of september 1914.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37519/ADM%2053-37519-053_0.jpg
I forgot: Read Warrant N? 41
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Here is something I found interesting - check out the last entry at the bottom of the page -
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77629/ADM%2053-77629-0156_0.jpg
I think it is so different today - no one would refer to an outpost in a sovereign nation's territory like that anymore
yours -
Kathy
I'm missing something here - Is this the page you meant to link to? Or am I, as I've been told, impossibly dense?
--another Kathy ???
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12 th March - Challenger managed to lose a maxim gun with stand
overboard. She buoyed it and sent divers down to hunt around on 13th.
I'll keep you posted if she finds it.
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Yes, that is the log page - for the Foxglove, the log keeps
referring to the British Consession - I know the British were granted
some form of territorial control over parts of China. I don't
know, calling it a Consession just strikes my admitedly modern
sensibilities as off somehow, as if China were not a sovereign
state. Of course, the America of that time was, to me, just as
rude.... :D
I don't know - it just got to me for some reason.
yours-
Kathy W.
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I'm intrigued by entries related to diving after lost equipment or
other things. Didn't think scuba gear was developed before WWII;
wondered what, if any, equipment they might have used. A rope tied
to someone's waist?
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I'm
intrigued by entries related to diving after lost equipment or other
things. Didn't think scuba gear was developed before WWII;
wondered what, if any, equipment they might have used. A rope tied
to someone's waist?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_diving_suit
The picture alone explains why not all ships had a "diving party". :)
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Ratings' precis of "The King's Regulations and Admiralty
Instructions for the Government of His Majesty's Naval Service" is
followed by HMS Severn:
"If it moves, salute it; if it doesn't move ... "
Bunts
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Every rating in the Navy must have "paint it" engraved on his brain for the rest of his life! ;D
Whatever did your crew to deserve having to "weigh by hand" that many times? It must have felt like dire punishment.
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They'd just had a supply of spinach.
It's not so bad as it might seem. HMS Severn is a shallow draft Monitor and is able to anchor in a saucer.
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OK. So how big is a bag?
Bunts
(HMS Severn)
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Quick update on Challengers lost overboard maxim gun - 'Dwarf divers
down around maxim gun'. Brings a whole Tolkein flavour to the
episode.
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Meanwhile, it's all right for some ...
Bunts
(HMS Severn)
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"Nudge, nudge; wink, wink. Say no more."?
Bunts
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Please see the 3 pm entry about lifeboats.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34149/ADM53-34149-003_1.jpg
2 empty life boats sighted, then fired upon. Did they think they were booby trapped? any other explanations?
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My first instinct is boredom? Free targets to practice on?
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My guess would be to remove them from the scene, so they would not
attract any other ships to attempt a rescue. It would be a futile effort
and perhaps put them in danger, if any u-boat decided to use them as
bait.
Bunts
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One of the ships I'm following is the Capetown which spends a lot of
time at Bermuda. Currently seems to be heading towards Cuba but
received a signal from a schooner in distress - "Obsd schooner signal
'Have sprung a leak'". They connected a wire to it and towed it to
safety.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-72547/ADM%2053-72547-093_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-72547/ADM%2053-72547-093_0.jpg)
Here's the next page of the saga:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-72547/ADM%2053-72547-093_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-72547/ADM%2053-72547-093_1.jpg)
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I'm glad they got safely back to port. Definitely an interesting 2 days for your crew. :)
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Naughty boys aboard my ship, opening their scuttles in dangerous waters! And one of them is an officer!
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36586/ADM%2053-36586-012_1.jpg)
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Yep, light can be dangerous.
Speaking of which ...
About
a month ago HMS Severn (or it might have Mersey) carefully removed the
outbuildings near the Ulenge Lighthouse. Then HMS Vengeance (or it might
have been Challenger) joined in at greater range.
During the proceedings "somebody" punched Ulenge's light out.
HMS Severn returns to make restitution.
Bunts
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I just found that I have a worst confused log-keeper than most, time-wise. On July 28th, 1920 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63344/ADM%2053-63344-017_0.jpg), he thought the dark of midnight was NOON. :o
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Not particularly riveting, I suppose, but another dramatic episode
on my boring Northern Patrol: My ship just went through a massive
hailstorm which lasted for nearly four days - force 10 pretty much
throughout the entire first day. Several things got smashed up,
including one of the senior officers, who was 'badly injured' (I wonder
just how badly injured you have to be in order for it to be recorded as
that), some ammunition got swept overboard, and part of the barometer
apparently broke.
And now, after all that excitement, we're back at
the dry dock in Glasgow, twiddling our thumbs (the log is almost blank
now), doing partial weather readings and waiting for the ship, the
barometer and Lieutenant Thompson to be patched up.
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Could this be an attempt at insurance fraud?;)
[entry on 1 February]
1 pair binoculars lost overboard by accident (5 power) Omitted to enter it in log January 19th
Oh, and by the way, that barrel of rum we took on board last time? That totally went overboard as well...
Edit: Also, it looks as though we'll finally be getting those drains fixed: "One plumber joined ship".
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I've never seen the front cover of a log like this before:
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36573/ADM%2053-36573-001_0.jpg)
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Target practice gone wrong:
4.10 Stopped: Dropped target overboard.
4.15 Commenced target practice with 6'' guns.
4.50 Picked up target.
...
5.5 [i.e. when it's time for the next reading] Mercurial Barometer smashed by gun fire.
Somebody must have had a pretty poor aim there. ;)
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What an awful shot!!
He he
K
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What an awful shot!!
He he
K
Indeed.
It was probably the sudden change from 1'' aiming rifles to 6'' guns
that did it. Somebody got a bit overexcited at being able to fire proper guns for a change, it seems...
The
crew generally seems more trigger-happy than they used to be. They've
got into the habit of firing blank 3-pound charges at ships in order to
stop them. Which seems a bit unnecessary to me, considering they're
currently near Iceland and all the ships there are British trawlers from
Grimsby...
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Mutabilitie,
Target practice gone wrong:
4.10 Stopped: Dropped target overboard.
4.15 Commenced target practice with 6'' guns.
4.50 Picked up target.
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5.5 [i.e. when it's time for the next reading] Mercurial Barometer smashed by gun fire.
Somebody must have had a pretty poor aim there.
Are you, perchance, aboard HMS Vengeance or HMS Challenger?
(see #264 in this thread.)
Could explain a lot.
Bunts
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All my ships fire 3" blanks to stop ships. We occasionally fire a 4" live round if the blank doesnt work.
We havent hit a barometer yet.
K
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Mutabilitie, Are you, perchance, aboard HMS Vengeance or HMS Challenger?
(see #264 in this thread.)
Could explain a lot.
Bunts
Heh.
No, I'm on neither of those ships, and I don't recall having anyone on
board who transferred from there either. Which is a bit of a shame,
actually, because it would have made an even nicer story...
I suppose they might have been firing blanks all along, but the person who kept the log never bothered to record it until now.
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Mutabilitie,
Indeed. It was probably the sudden change from
1'' aiming rifles to 6'' guns that did it. Somebody got a bit
overexcited at being able to fire proper guns for a change, it seems...
I'm sure you're being mischievous and expect that you know it's vibration from recoil & blast that do for glass and delicate instruments.
Aren't you?
Bunts
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I'm sure you're being mischievous and expect that you know it's vibration from recoil & blast that do for glass and delicate instruments.
Aren't you?
Bunts
Yes, of course.;) After all, if they had actually hit
the barometer with a 6'' gun, there would have been little chance of
getting any more readings after that point, but it actually continued to
work fine, so it was obviously just a bit of shattered glass.
I still found it amusing, though.
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I must say that I really had a good laugh with the last postings. They were funny in a weird sort of way. :D
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I just found that I have a worst confused log-keeper than most, time-wise. On July 28th, 1920 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63344/ADM%2053-63344-017_0.jpg), he thought the dark of midnight was NOON. :o
Must be contagious:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34151/ADM53-34151-014_1.jpg
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You really gotta wonder about these young men - one thinks the dark
of night in bright noon, the other thinks bright daylight is dark
midnight! What does the RN do to its officers? ::)
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It's probably something to do with moving from northern to southern hemisphere & vice versa.
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Ah, yes, I forgot it's midnight there when it's noon up here . . .
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Ah, yes, I forgot it's midnight there when it's noon up here . . .
Going north to south? ???
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;D
You got it, Farrelly!
JJ - British humour, Goon Show etc.
Anyway ...
This is not as bad as it seems, when you realise that "Vengeance" should read "HMS Vengeance".
At least ... I hope that's what it means.
Bunts
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Something for the football fans!
From the HMS Capetown currently at La Libertad in El Salvador.
"Landed football party of 50 men for days trip to San Salvador"
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I've just come across a slightly weird entry:
"Flying Bruge" alongside for funeral party
We're
in the Shetlands and have only been there for two days, and during that
time (or even before then, for that matter) I'm certain that there was
no mention at all of somebody dying or being seriously ill. So why are
some of my crew off to a funeral now? ???
Edit: Oops, I just realised the supply ship is really called Flying Breeze. Oh well...
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I see funeral parties being sent off on occasion with no mention of
someone being ill or dying - might be someone important from another
ship, or onshore, and the ship feels they need to send representatives?
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A Court Martial was held on board and the Court Martial Jack is hoisted.
The
court Martial Jack is a flag hoisted at the yardarm to indicate that a
Court Martial or a Court of inquiry is held on board of a ship while in
harbor.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37519/ADM%2053-37519-075_1.jpg
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I
see funeral parties being sent off on occasion with no mention of
someone being ill or dying - might be someone important from another
ship, or onshore, and the ship feels they need to send representatives?
Come
to think of it, there's actually chance that this might have been
Lieutenant Thompson, who got so badly injured during the storm. We left
him in Glasgow, though, and I think Busta Voe is too far for the funeral
party to have got there and back again in just a few hours.
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Actually, you can look if anyone from your ship died within the
previous 3 days by checking here: http://www.naval-history.net/
If
you know which other ships are in port with you - which most of us do
not, since that is rarely logged - you can also read the list by date
for any losses from them also.
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Actually, you can look if anyone from your ship died within the previous 3 days by checking here: http://www.naval-history.net/
If
you know which other ships are in port with you - which most of us do
not, since that is rarely logged - you can also read the list by date
for any losses from them also.
No,
it seems that the only time anyone died on my ship was when it was
torpedoed and sunk in June 1918. And none of those names ring any bells
(unless assistant steward Bowren is identical to 'Commdr. Bowring',
which I doubt). Then again, I suppose I wouldn't, because the only
people who seem to get a mention in the log are officers, and the people
on that list are all fairly low in rank.
Is this a complete list, by
the way? There are only twelve names there, and I'm pretty sure the
Reuters report at the time spoke of 15 casualties.
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Someone appears to have got himself a medal, although I don't really
know how he managed that while pottering around the west coast of
Iceland stopping trawlers...
Vice-Admiral Tupper came on board to present medal & inspect ships Company
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Not riveting, just anticlimactic. Arlanza came back to
Liverpool; guns, stores & medical supplies were removed, & the
crew turned in their blankets. Kind of sad, after following this
ship for so long.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34152/ADM53-34152-012_1.jpg
On
the bright side, I've been bounced back to 1915, and I hope to find out
more about how she came to be stuck in the ice for an entire winter -
here's a clue I just found, though, and it goes a long way toward
explaining why they were sounding the bilges every few hours -
http://www.seayourhistory.org.uk/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,402/?g2_itemId=7888
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I find myself getting quite demotivated when I get whisked back to
the beginning of the logs - there's the feeling that I've already been
there, done that, and once I've got to the end of the logs I want a
'Ta-Da!' not January 1914. I'm finding it slow going the second time
through!
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I
find myself getting quite demotivated when I get whisked back to the
beginning of the logs - there's the feeling that I've already been
there, done that, and once I've got to the end of the logs I want a
'Ta-Da!' not January 1914. I'm finding it slow going the second time
through!
Can't you just switch to a different ship now that you've got to the end already?
In
other news: unlike Christmas, Good Friday does seem to be celebrated on
board. A 'Chaplin' just came over from another ship and conducted a
divine service and holy communion.
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I could switch to a different ship, but I like to finish a ship
before I move on. Plus, my captaincy isn't secure, so while there are
more logs to do I want to do them! But doing odd log pages here and
there that were (for whatever reason) missed out on my first run through
isn't as thrilling as following the story of the ship for the first
time.
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So you only get to see the ones you missed out the first time, but you don't actually have to start again from scratch?
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Indeed. I don't think anyone's really sure why some get missed out
first time through, possibilities are that they were seen by someone
else, but haven't yet been seen three times, or that the pages were
scanned out of order.
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Right. Well, I'll see once I get there, I suppose.
Some muppet on my ship seems to have decided to do hourly (partial) readings for no obvious reason.:(
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Just wait until they get especially bored and decide that 30-minute
readings are in order. It has the benefit of getting you closer to
captaincy though! ;D
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I don't mind going back in time on Arlanza - it's only back to May,
1915, and I started in December, 1915 (I think.) When I started
she was stuck in ice and remained that way until June, then limped back
to England with a tug because she couldn't steer, stopping to tie on the
bow plates with wire!
I have always wondered why she was stuck
there (in the White Sea), although that photo & caption posted above
pretty much tells the story.
When I went back in time on
Leviathan, though, I was doing the exact same logs I had already done,
so that's when I switched ships.
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If you're sure you were given the same logs twice, you need to let
Arfon know - it shouldn't happen. Often, though, you miss out the odd
page when you go through for the first time, and then when you go back
you do the ones that you missed. You shouldn't ever see the same log
page twice.
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I was definitely seeing pages I had already done (Leviathan) - the
log entries were appearing in the drop-down menus. It happened on
several pages in a row before I was sure. I mentioned it in the tech
support part of the forum in December (see post #6) & DJ responded
that it was being looked into. After that, I'm afraid I merely
deserted (!) the ship, though, and didn't continue to follow the tech
support thread.
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Fair enough then :)
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farrelly,
The question first is, are they truly repeats? If yes, then Arfon should be told.
Or
are they duplicate copies? This happens frequently, an error by
the original log-keepers, not our scanners, because of the normal
copying routines used by the RN. We find it useful, in checking
for original errors, to have both copies. Can you give us JPG
links to at least some of the repeating pages?
The issue has been
discussed many times - because it happened often. Try going to
the forum's home page and search for "duplicate page". Bunches of stuff
come up which might help.
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They could definitely be duplicate copies; I don't know how I would
be able to tell. If that's a possibility, then it's probably what
happened. ??? Occam's razor? (there should be an
emoticon for that -- a little face with a tiny band-aid . . . )
I
don't know how I could find the pages - this was back in real-time
December and two years' worth of Arlanza logs ago. I went to the
"transcribe logs" page for Leviathan, and then "My old weather", but I
was only shown pages from Arlanza. The probable duplicate pages
would have been the last pages I did on Leviathan.
Didn't mean to cause a tempest. And I've posted this in the wrong place, too. :-X
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Everything's fine. Just go back to having fun. ;D
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Just
wait until they get especially bored and decide that 30-minute readings
are in order. It has the benefit of getting you closer to captaincy
though! ;D
Ugh,
don't give them ideas. Hourly readings are quite enough. Just what is
so interesting about the water temperature near Iceland that it needs
constant checking? It doesn't even vary that much!
Edit: Oh,
right, I think I get it now. 32 F = 0 C, right? The last readings have
been quite low, all in the 34-36 F region, so I suppose they must be
getting anxious they might get stuck in ice (or at least anxious to
demonstrate via the log that they took all the necessary precautions not
to get stuck).
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The theory of CYA. Definitely in practice in any military branch anywhere.
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Not exactly riveting, but mildly amusing: My current log-keeper
seems to have a bit of a spelling problem which involves not knowing
which words need extra e's and which don't. He put down a ship's name as
'HMS Spriteley' (which he then emended to 'Sprightley') and stated that
the ship had 'weighd & proceeded'.:D
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I think the worry about sailing in seas that are near freezing is
not so much getting stuck as icing. This is where sea spray lands on the
rigging, superstructure etc and freezes, gradually building up to the
point where the ice is so heavy that the ship can be made unstable.
Ships have been lost due solely to this problem.
HTH
K
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I
think the worry about sailing in seas that are near freezing is not so
much getting stuck as icing. This is where sea spray lands on the
rigging, superstructure etc and freezes, gradually building up to the
point where the ice is so heavy that the ship can be made unstable.
Ships have been lost due solely to this problem.
HTH
K
Good point, although wouldn't the air temperature be just as relevant for that as the water temperature?
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After over a year of constantly examining ships and never finding
anything suspicious, it looks as though we've finally caught someone
(even if it's only 'enemy females'):
Boarded Danish s/s Oscar ii
from New York to Copenhagen General Cargo. 17 Enemy females. 545 bags of
mails for Germany. Steamer steering 61?. Sent to Kirkwall with armed
guard in charge of Lieut Reitwick RNR of HMS Ebro.
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I
think the worry about sailing in seas that are near freezing is not so
much getting stuck as icing. This is where sea spray lands on the
rigging, superstructure etc and freezes, gradually building up to the
point where the ice is so heavy that the ship can be made unstable.
Ships have been lost due solely to this problem.
HTH
K
Good point, although wouldn't the air temperature be just as relevant for that as the water temperature?
I guess that both are important. Are they not recording air temperatures regularly as well?
K
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I guess that both are important. Are they not recording air temperatures regularly as well?
K
No, air temperature was just measured six times a day, but water temperature every hour.
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There is another theory. This is the universal punishment theory. If
we cant explain anything any other way we decide that it must be to
punish a midshipman who has got a bit above himself.
I cant
imagine anything worse than dunking a thermometer overboard every hour
on a bucking warship where the sea temperatures are close to freezing,
so in the absence of any other sensible theory this must be it.
K
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H.M.S Pioneer was mentioned in the log of H.M.S. Challenger and I
wondered who she was as she is not in the Naval-History list.
Within two clicks I found her and I think what I found will please our Australian mates.
http://www.navy.gov.au/HMAS_Pioneer
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Oh look, it rhymes! ;D
'Steaming in station with HMS Alsation'
(The typo is original).
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Investigating ice pack.
Now is it just me or does that sound as though they've simply opened the freezer door?
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Does anyone from the Gnat know what this is all about? (See the 10:00 am entry)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77618/ADM%2053-77618-0020_0.jpg
yours -
Kathy W.
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Does anyone from the Gnat know what this is all about? (See the 10:00 am entry)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77618/ADM%2053-77618-0020_0.jpg
yours -
Kathy W.
Hi Kathy,
I seem to remember a Court of Enquiry around that time but no mention (as usual) what is was all about, sorry.
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Did you perhaps have any collisions around that time? My ship once
collided with another patrol ship and got damaged, and as soon as we
returned to Glasgow, a court of enquiry turned up. It was actually held
on my ship, and as far as I remember, they did stay for quite a while,
but there were no details about the actual proceedings.
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Nope, the Gnat is a very uneventfull ship. I would've remembered a collision. ;)
But
this has happened before on other ships : nothing happens, all of a
sudden there is a Court of Enquiry, no reason mentioned and nothing
whatsoever the day or days after. ???
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These log keepers are without a doubt the most frustrating people I
have to deal with - I have 3 teenagers, so that is saying a lot!!!! ;D
???
yours -
Kathy W.
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point taken ;) ;D ;D
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Oh look, it rhymes! ;D
'Steaming in station with HMS Alsation'
(The typo is original).
Nice ! ;D
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Oh look, it rhymes! ;D
'Steaming in station with HMS Alsation'
(The typo is original).
Nice ! ;D
It's just a bit of a shame about the 'HMS' messing up the metre. 's/s' or something would have been even nicer.:(
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I've discovered that my holiday ship not only carries a balloon
(some kind of weather balloon, it seems), but also recently took a
'seaplane' on board, probably for similar purposes. They were dying to
have a trial flight, but so far the weather has never been quite right
for that. Today it finally worked, though.:)
Edit: I just found an interesting article about it: http://www.naval-history.net/WW1Book-NavyEverywhere01.htm#XII
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mutabilitie,
You're on Manica?
Then that balloon is for an observer to report fall of shot. Less things to go wrong than with them newfangled airyplanes.
Thanks from HMS Mersey & Severn for your help against the Konigsberg and at Saadani, Tanga et al.
Bunts
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View from HMS Severn's Bridge:
"C'mon, boy! Walkies!"
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"escexcising" ?? kudos to you for deciphering it!
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Ah, farrelly,
You've made me realise my age!
I've almost
always known "x" to be handwritten looking like "sc". "They" tried to
get me to write it in that style, nearly six decades ago, but I soon
grew out of it.
It didn't occur to me that it could have been construed as anything other than an "x".
"Nurse! He's not my grandson!"
;)
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It's nothing to do with age - in maths, an x is like an s and a c, to avoid it looking like 'multiply'.
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mutabilitie,
You're on Manica?
Then that balloon is for an observer to report fall of shot. Less things to go wrong than with them newfangled airyplanes.
Thanks from HMS Mersey & Severn for your help against the Konigsberg and at Saadani, Tanga et al.
Bunts
It's
only my holiday ship, really. I wanted something as radically different
from the Northern Patrol as possible, and the Manica certainly fits the
bill.;)
I did read about what the balloon was really for after
posting that, although they do seem to be unusually interested in
describing the weather conditions. Perhaps they'e just incredibly bored
out there...
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Ah, farrelly,
You've made me realise my age!
I've almost
always known "x" to be handwritten looking like "sc". "They" tried to
get me to write it in that style, nearly six decades ago, but I soon
grew out of it.
It didn't occur to me that it could have been construed as anything other than an "x".
"Nurse! He's not my grandson!"
;)
Pff, I was taught to write x's like that as well, and I'm not *that* old.
I
didn't attend school in the UK, though, so obviously I was taught to
write a different type of script. (I'm not just making excuses here,
honest...)
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Is it just me or does the Manica log-keeper occasionally have a very
odd way of writing 'fresh'? :-\ (See 8am weather description).
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48166/ADM%2053-48166-015_1.jpg
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a very odd way of writing 'fresh'?
Oo-er.
I'm glad I didn't have to transcribe that.
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a very odd way of writing 'fresh'?
Oo-er.
I'm glad I didn't have to transcribe that.
Thankfully
I know it means fresh, because I've transcribed enough pages to know
he's got a pretty weird way of writing e's and r's (and the fact that he
alternates between two different letter shapes for both e and r doesn't
make it any easier). It does look as though we've got Gordon Ramsey on board, though...;)
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re "fresh": I'm sorry to say that looks rather like my own
handwriting - the "r" & "e" are squeezed up so you can't tell the
difference, except from context.
Good thing these forum entries are typed . . .
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# Here come the Girls ... #
It must be "Jam and Jerusalem" time.
"Barjora arrived with W.I. Regt."
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The Foxglove participated in a rescue mission!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77619/ADM%2053-77619-0006_0.jpg
I love the last entry on the list of things lost in the rocks ;D ;D
yours -
Kathy W.
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I wonder how long it took to empty them before they became suitable buoyancy aids?
Well done Jolly Jack Tar; always able to improvise.
Bunts
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I'm guessing there were a lot of volunteers to help with that task! ;D
If there was any Coke around, I know I'd help with it ;) ;D
yours -
Kathy
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"... parted company with vengeance".;)
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After observing an annular eclipse on 3/12/18 off the coast of
Chile, "Ophir" on the next day observed "a distinct disturbance felt
throughout the ship" while in 120 fathoms.
Later in the day they stopped engines to avoid a school of whales, so perhaps they had struck one earlier.
Some
excitement in what has otherwise been an excruciatingly dull cruise. We
also "logged" another temp. eng. Sub-Lt for being drunk. Just how many
temp. eng. subs does a ship have and why are they prone to drinking
themselves into a stupor? It's all very strange.
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After
observing an annular eclipse on 3/12/18 off the coast of Chile, "Ophir"
on the next day observed "a distinct disturbance felt throughout the
ship" while in 120 fathoms.
Later in the day they stopped engines to avoid a school of whales, so perhaps they had struck one earlier.
Some
excitement in what has otherwise been an excruciatingly dull cruise. We
also "logged" another temp. eng. Sub-Lt for being drunk. Just how many
temp. eng. subs does a ship have and why are they prone to drinking
themselves into a stupor? It's all very strange.
Presumably you've got so many of them because they're always drinking themselves into a stupor. That's why they never make it past the 'temp.' stage...
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After
observing an annular eclipse on 3/12/18 off the coast of Chile, "Ophir"
on the next day observed "a distinct disturbance felt throughout the
ship" while in 120 fathoms.
Later in the day they stopped engines to avoid a school of whales, so perhaps they had struck one earlier.
Some
excitement in what has otherwise been an excruciatingly dull cruise. We
also "logged" another temp. eng. Sub-Lt for being drunk. Just how many
temp. eng. subs does a ship have and why are they prone to drinking
themselves into a stupor? It's all very strange.
Was the position of your ship close to 26?S, 71?W?
If
so they might have felt a 7.8 Earthquake but I doubt it as I do not
know if earthquakes can be felt on board of a ship in a shallow sea.
According to UGS on 4/12/1918 there was a quake at that position.
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"... parted company with vengeance".;)
Was
this a quote from a log? Who was parting? What was the
cause of the vengeful feelings? [Inquiring minds want to know!] :o
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"... parted company with vengeance".;)
Was
this a quote from a log? Who was parting? What was the
cause of the vengeful feelings? [Inquiring minds want to know!] :o
Probably the HMS Vengeance ;) ;D
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"... parted company with vengeance".;)
Was
this a quote from a log? Who was parting? What was the
cause of the vengeful feelings? [Inquiring minds want to know!] :o
Probably the HMS Vengeance ;) ;D
Of
course. And it was the Manica doing the parting. Actually the most
remarkable thing about that entry is that the log-keeper managed to
spell 'vengeance' correctly. The previous one kept writing 'HMS
Vengance', even though he was seeing that ship on a near-daily basis.
You'd think that would have enabled him to spell its name!
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The crew of Arlanza have been having unending problems with the
patent long - hauling it in on a daily basis (or more often) to reset it
to "0".
But now - problem solved - see 9 am entry:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34114/ADM53-34114-011_0.jpg
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The only question remaining is, did the rating that threw in target
happen to be one of the ratings that was fed up with the troublesome
log? ??? :)
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I don't know the answer to that one - but the officers who had to
keep making log entries about it must have been tired of it. I
stopped transcribing all the "malfunction" entries. When I first
looked at this entry without the magnifier, I thought it said they shot
it instead of the target.
This was a much more elegant solution.
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I've had at least four patent logs lost;
one overboard "by accident", one washed away in stormy conditions (both "with gear") and two when the string broke.
B
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Having spent 30+ years in factory management, I can tell you that
deliberate loss of hated instruments is rarely that natural looking and
camoflaged! It's more likely to be dramatically smashed, and every
person in the vicinity of the accident will look cherubically innocent
while stating they had not seen it happen.
I think it has to do
with venting emotions. Hitting the thing with a thrown target
would be very much in character. Simply snapping the line is too
smooth and unsatisfying. ;D
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HMS Espiegle is off an obscure island in the Red Sea in 1922 without much to do
HMS Crocus arrives and what happens next. See the 01.30 entry.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77067/ADM%2053-77067-0023_1.jpg
Concert party returns from "Crocus".
I havent seen any other entries for any of my ships that indicate that they had long nights.
Normally leave parties etc are on board by 10pm.
Dirty Stop outs, but I expect they deserved a good party for a change.
K
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they never tell us the good stuff - so WHY are the men refusing to work? (see 2-3 pm)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34115/ADM53-34115-004_0.jpg
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Towards the end of May 1915 Challenger sent a party of marines and
another of stokers off to a sanatorium while she was in dry dock. Right
at the end of the month 3 ratings were returned (without thanks) from
the sanatorium for discipline. As in so many cases we are left guessing
although two warrants were read out later. Does anyone know
whether these records will be released in a few year's time? They would
make fascinating reading.
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There's a new log-keeper who keeps writing down 'noon' and 'midt' at the appropriate times. What is that all about? I mean, noon and midnight tend to happen every day, at the same time, so there's hardly any point in recording that fact in the log, no?:-\
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Towards
the end of May 1915 Challenger sent a party of marines and another of
stokers off to a sanatorium while she was in dry dock. Right at the end
of the month 3 ratings were returned (without thanks) from the
sanatorium for discipline. As in so many cases we are left guessing
although two warrants were read out later. Does anyone know
whether these records will be released in a few year's time? They would
make fascinating reading.
I
believe all Naval Court records are under a 100 year seal, while the
logs were only under a 50 year seal. If that's true, you can try
to look at those records in 2016.
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Was the position of your ship close to 26?S, 71?W?
If so they
might have felt a 7.8 Earthquake but I doubt it as I do not know if
earthquakes can be felt on board of a ship in a shallow sea. According
to UGS on 4/12/1918 there was a quake at that position.
Thanks H.
Kohler, they gave their position as 24 48S, 70 53W and the
time as 7-50am, so if the timing is the same that is clearly it. You
most certainly can feel an earthquake in a vessel as I have experienced
it myself and one as large as 7.8 would be felt much further away than
this.
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There's a new log-keeper who keeps writing down 'noon' and 'midt' at the appropriate times. What is that all about? I mean, noon and midnight tend to happen every day, at the same time, so there's hardly any point in recording that fact in the log, no?:-\
If
that does not interest you (and it certainly wouldn't interest
me), then don't transcribe it. The historians are the ones in love
with the notes we transcribe, so the secondary standard - after your
own interests are considered - is, would a historian consider this to be
even slightly historic? ;D
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Hi Dorbel
I made further research on this quake as the
database I used didn't give the time. I found other datas on this
earthquake giving also the time when it took place which was 11-47 AM.
The shock felt still remains a mistery :-\ :-\
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On the contrary HK, you have nailed it. I expect that your 11-47am
is GMT, while the "Ophir" would have been on local time like any Royal
Navy vessel. In this instance that would be about GMT -4.
No doubt
some historian will be pleased with us one day. In the meantime we must
be content with the quiet satisfaction of a job well done, or a smug
grin as it sometimes known. Well done sir!
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There's a new log-keeper who keeps writing down 'noon' and 'midt' at the appropriate times. What is that all about? I mean, noon and midnight tend to happen every day, at the same time, so there's hardly any point in recording that fact in the log, no?:-\
If
that does not interest you (and it certainly wouldn't interest
me), then don't transcribe it. The historians are the ones in love
with the notes we transcribe, so the secondary standard - after your
own interests are considered - is, would a historian consider this to be
even slightly historic? ;D
Oh
no, I just found it vaguely amusing; I wasn't planning to transcribe
it! To be honest, if some historian happens to be incredibly interested
in the more boring, everyday work on a ship - tough. He'll just have to
sift through the logs himself (and he will, because he won't trust our
transcripts to be sufficiently accurate anyway).
Unless I'm given
very specific instructions as to what I should / shouldn't be
transcribing, though, I'll just stick with the "whatever strikes you as
remotely interesting" rule - and everything weather-related,
obviously.;)
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Brilliant,
that is just what the scientists (he or she) involved are looking at !
;D
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Finally, a bit of excitement on Rinaldo! Just arriving at N
Fanjove Island, and a canoe has 'returned with native spies'.
Presumably they're going to supply the crew with information about the
Germans, who I guess are the enemy round here?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57890/ADM%2053-57890-004_1.jpg
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helenj,
Keep an eye on them. They wanted to tell us that the Konigsberg had sunk. We already knew; we (Mersey & Severn) sank her.
More excitement to come, watch out for HMS Manica with her balloon on a string.
Bunts
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What on earth is Manica doing with a balloon on a string? It
sounds very frivolous - I'll certainly keep my eyes open, though I don't
think we've ever met so far.
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Manica is a balloon ship which also carries a seaplane.
From
the logs it is difficult to see what they are achieving and the seaplane
in 1916 appears to be very "experimental" spending a lot of time being
hoisted out and back again with mechanical failure, it does get airborne
and along with the balloon would be able to provide good intelligence.
They
were both active at the bombardment of Bagamoyo and subsequent shelling
activities but no information has been given (yet) about any
intelligence they may have been able to obtain.
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Manica is a balloon ship which also carries a seaplane.
From
the logs it is difficult to see what they are achieving and the
seaplane in 1916 appears to be very "experimental" spending a lot of
time being hoisted out and back again with mechanical failure, it does
get airborne and along with the balloon would be able to provide good
intelligence.
They were both active at the bombardment of
Bagamoyo and subsequent shelling activities but no information has been
given (yet) about any intelligence they may have been able to obtain.
There
was nothing helpful on any of the pages I transcribed either.:( If it
wasn't for the odd mention of shots being fired on the shore and a note
about some other ship firing shots at Bagawhatsit, you would think they
really were flying that balloon of theirs just for fun!
By the
way, if it wasn't included in the ship's log, where did they note down
the results of their balloon-flying? Did they keep a separate
balloon-log, or what? ??? I mean, surely there must have been some findings to justify faffing about with that balloon (and doing precious little else) for months?
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Lgb
From the logs it is difficult to see what they are achieving and the seaplane in 1916 appears to be very "experimental" ...
They
were both active at the bombardment of Bagamoyo and subsequent shelling
activities but no information has been given (yet) about any
intelligence they may have been able to obtain.
Earlier
than that, they were instrumental in the sinking of the Konigsberg
upstream of the Rufigi Delta. The bombarding ships Mersey, Severn &
others more distant, couldn't see the target.
An official report here (http://www.naval-history.net/WW1Battle1507KonigsbergAction.htm)
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Thank you for that link
LGB
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From the log of HMS Espiegle. 1/8/1922, in Basra
See the 11pm entry
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77067/ADM%2053-77067-0039_0.jpg
Lost overboard by accident - 1 Bosun's Call
I understand that this is another name for the Bosun's whistle.
Bit of peace & quiet for a while unless he had a spare!!
K
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From the log of HMS Espiegle. 1/8/1922, in Basra
Lost overboard by accident - 1 Bosun's Call
I understand that this is another name for the Bosun's whistle.
Bit of peace & quiet for a while unless he had a spare!!
K
;D
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This is the first mention I've seen of "frozen" produce (Oct 1916).
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59849/ADM%2053-59849-006_1.jpg
I
discovered that, after experimental systems as far back as the 1870s,
the first commercially successful "refrigerated ship", the Dunedin, was
operating as early as 1882.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunedin_(ship)
A steam powered chiller on a sailing ship. :o
Verily, life is full of surprises.
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That is so interesting! Thanks. :)
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For medicinal purposes, obviously.
Nice writing, too.
"Look on my words, ye mighty, and despair!"
(apology to P. B. Shelley)
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blimey, that should keep the scurvy away ;D
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A death at sea. A stoker, John James Davy/Day, died and was consigned to the deep. No mention of cause of death.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-60720/ADM%2053-60720-076_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-60720/ADM%2053-60720-076_0.jpg)
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Thanks Geoff. John James Day is listed on naval-history.net as dying of illness.
I'll put a copy of this in the Burials at sea thread.
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This is the first mention I've seen of "frozen" produce (Oct 1916).
I
discovered that, after experimental systems as far back as the 1870s,
the first commercially successful "refrigerated ship", the Dunedin, was
operating as early as 1882.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunedin_(ship)
A steam powered chiller on a sailing ship. :o
Verily, life is full of surprises.
You're a star on twitter bunts. ;D
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Eeek!
I knew not this "twitter" of which you speak.
To avoid the possibility of confusion, I have no existence other than here.
I hereby state and declare that any manifestation elsewhere is devoid of association with me. e.g.
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There was a Royal Fleet Auxiliary ship named the Frozen Orange
Peel ;D, which in my opinion is the BEST SHIP'S NAME EVER!!!
I assume it was a refer (for refrigerator) ship.
Also, I
think there is the beginnings of a great drink in that rum and lime
juice - I think I'll try to come up with an Old Weather this
weekend... ;D
yours -
Kathy W.
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An entry that made me anxious to know what kind of damage H.M.S.
Severn suffered. Could someone from her tell how it occured and what was
the damage?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37519/ADM%2053-37519-130_0.jpg
And MAN OVERBOARD!!!
Fortunately safe and sound back on board.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37519/ADM%2053-37519-130_1.jpg
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Sorry, HK,
I've sent off that log to the Admiralty, and for reasons of confidentiality ... (my completed pages don't go back that far.)
Let me think.
I'm
working both Mersey & Severn (they're twins, you know). For my age,
my memory isn't bad; but by other standards it's poor.
One of the
twins bumped into (and sank) an Italian battleship's pinnace. (Not sure
which hit whom but a pinnace wouldn't do much damage that couldn't be
cured by a coat of paint.)
One squished a dry dock gate, damaging one of her stanchions. I fancy that would be it. Chippies would fix that.
Sorry
I can't help further. If anything else occurs to me, I'll let you know,
but my memory's not too good. Did I mention that? ;)
Bunts
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Thanks Bunts for your effort and help.
I'll call the admiralty to know where they've hidden the missing log. :)
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Right ho. Good Luck with that. Whitehall? More like Black Hole. We'll not see that for seventy years, I expect.
Very rude of me; I forgot to thank you for all the stuff and crew that Challenger has provided.
Much appreciated.
;)
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HMS Constance in Bermuda had a hurricane pass directly overhead on 21 Sep 1922
I would have copied the entries but I was halfway through before I realised.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74051/ADM%2053-74051-012_1.jpg
(also see entry pm re man overboard from Capetown)
HMS Constance, Bermuda. 25 Sep 1922
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74051/ADM%2053-74051-014_1.jpg
1000 Court of Inquiry held aboard to inquire into drowning of Sto of Capetown
HMS Constance, Bermuda. 27 Sep 1922
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74051/ADM%2053-74051-015_1.jpg
1300
Lost overboard by accident during hurricane 3 Sails wind, 1 Boatswain
Piper, 5 Broons Bass, 9 Scrubbing Brushes, 2 Brooms hair, 3 Buckets
wood, 113 fathoms Cordage Taned(?) 1? ", 4 Squeeqes
I see also Dictionary.com has: squee-gee - Origin: 1835?45; originally a nautical term; of obscure origin
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Hi,
this is the Wikipedia entry for Hurricane No 2 of the 1922 Atlantic season,'
'By
far the most powerful storm of the season, this hurricane formed well
east of the Windward Islands and moved northwestward steadily
strengthening. It grazed the Leeward Islands as a Category 2
hurricane and began to recurve shortly thereafter. During this
recurvature, it strengthened into a Category 3 storm, eventually
attaining winds of 120 mph (190 km/h). It would maintain Category 3
intensity for the next four days until it became extratropical on
September 23. The storm passed almost directly over Bermuda early on
September 21, buffeting the island with 115 mph (185 km/h) winds and an
eight-foot storm surge. As the center of this hurricane passed
Bermuda to the southeast, a lull occurred on the island for an
hour around 9 am on September 21. The lowest pressure measured was 968
mbar (28.57 inHg). Significant damage occurred there, as winds peaked at
120 mph (190 km/h). It was Bermuda's highest tide since the hurricane
of 1899.[1] The hurricane remains the strongest Atlantic tropical
cyclone above 30.4?N, since Hurricane Dog of 1950 weakened to below 150
mph (240 km/h) as it reached that latitude.[2]
These Bermuda hurricanes seem a bit like London buses;- you wait ages for one, then a two of them turn up at once.
Great stuff.
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I do so wish that the 12N entry says what I first read it as
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77067/ADM%2053-77067-0044_0.jpg
HBM Political Agent and Camel arrived on board
Sadly I suspect it is ... and Consul....
Far less interesting
K
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Thank you bpb - most interesting.
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LOL, at 5:30 am:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34118/ADM53-34118-005_0.jpg
;D
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Flashing and making water.
Unusual combination.
Erm ... I should imagine.
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. . . and exactly WHAT kind of party did 20 Russians arrive for at 5:15 pm?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34118/ADM53-34118-005_0.jpg
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and exactly WHAT kind of party did 20 Russians arrive for at 5:15 pm?
Well, I read it as "diving" but I suppose you have something less innocent in mind.
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Look at it more closely - whatever it is, it's not "diving", which
this logkeeper has written clearly many times. there's a tall
letter right in the middle. And why 20 Russians, arriving after
dark?
Unless the logkeeper got a head start . . .
;)
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fishing?
;D
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Looks like 'drinking party' to me. But they wouldn't actually put that in the log, would they?;)
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War is cruel but sometimes humanity wins and negotiations are made and relief is given.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37519/ADM%2053-37519-135_0.jpg
And a few days later THIS:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37519/ADM%2053-37519-139_1.jpg
I was really moved by the sending of medical stores by the Navy to the Germans.
A few days later contact is made, but what was said or made during those encounter are a mystery to me.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37519/ADM%2053-37519-144_0.jpg
May be one of you knows a bit more and I will also inform you if any other encounters are made.
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SS Naneric 26 June 1918
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-52208/ADM53-52208-062_1.jpg
1320 passed floating jar
Clearly seen as important to note by the naval record keeper so who am I to gainsay his judgment.
Mind
you this is the same ship that is putting the clocks ahead and back on
alternate days and also engaged in negative zig-zagging :).
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It's also the ship that needed to pitch the top of the admiral's cabin in the middle of a rain storm. :o
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Can't have the Captain's cabin leaking, now can we ;D -
yours -
Kathy W.
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From the log of the HMS Caesar (which doesn't appear to have any intentions of leaving Bermuda, ever):
Sent 2nd picket boat on shore with Salvage party and witnesses to attend court of Inquiry into loss of 1st picket boat.
Good thing they didn't manage to lose both picket boats, then...;)
Also,
they appear to be having a 'G and T training class', which sounds like
extra classes after hours for sailors with an above-average IQ. Or
training sessions for inexperienced drinkers who have yet to graduate to
rum drills.
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Is there something odd about a triangle in Bermuda!
In December 1917 Roxburgh also put a Picket Boat aground and are still trying to free it after three days
LGB
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Is there something odd about a triangle in Bermuda!
In December 1917 Roxburgh also put a Picket Boat aground and are still trying to free it after three days
LGB
I'm sure it passes the time...
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Sloop Torch is fun in many ways. I had to share the landmarks
used as anchorage markers at Gila (Gaila), New Caledonia, 4th May
1914. Could this be the start of the idea behind Starbucks? I
mean, how often do your ships orient themselves by a coffee
stove? ;D
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Admonished Capt SA Stoddart RMLI for having exceeded the limit of his wine bill for the current month
And that's in February! ;D
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Sloop
Torch is fun in many ways. I had to share the landmarks used as
anchorage markers at Gila (Gaila), New Caledonia, 4th May 1914.
Could this be the start of the idea behind Starbucks? I mean, how
often do your ships orient themselves by a coffee stove? ;D
It's not a lot better, but maybe "coffee store"? More visible from a distance? :-\
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I've alread corrected my spelling on the transcription, but the "coffee store" still tickles my funny bone. :)
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yep. sounds even more like Starbucks. :P
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HMS Naneric, 1st October 1918, Plymouth to Newport News
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-52208/ADM53-52208-111_0.jpg
1808 S/S Montfort torpedoed Lat 48 02N Long 10 04W
1839 Depth charges dropped by escorting Destroyers.
2nd October 1918
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-52208/ADM53-52208-111_1.jpg
1845
sighted periscope abaft port beam. opened fire with port howitzers.
Convoy attacked. 2 torpedoes fired which passed underneath SS Benrimes
& 15 feet astern of S/S Ogleric. Ogleric & Benrimes oppened
fire.
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And on my birthday too!
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Um - is happy birthday in order? I may not remember the next time October rolls around in 2011 time.
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Then I'll say 'thanks' - I may not remember that you said that when October arrives ;D
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I really don't want to know what this 6 pm entry means: Hands piped "Night Clothing."
I just want to picture them singing along with the pipers & fiddlers at bedtime:
Don your nighties and your slippers
Here's the order from our skipper:
Have some cocoa - ain't it great?
We'll be tucked in by the mate!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34133/ADM53-34133-003_1.jpg
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The subject has come up before, with word-pictures of pyjamas and slippers abounding. ;D
This was the answer then, which dilutes the pictures to something less dramatic:
In
the Royal Navy at that time and to this day for all I know, night
clothing is not pyjamas, but just the old casual clothing that a seaman
wears on his off duty evenings aboard. An old shirt, a patched pair of
trousers, a sweater that has seen better days, that sort of thing.
Old
Weatherers puzzled by the secret language of a seaman's day will enjoy
this page: http://www.naval-history.net/WW2aaNavalLife-Customs2.htm
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I do remember but, oh dear, not nearly as much fun ! :D
I still like the idea of a slumber party ! ;D
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Have I mentioned that on the Patia, night clothing seems to get aired (though never actually washed,
apparently) about twice a year? I seriously hope that's just because
most log-keepers didn't feel it was important enough to note down, not
because it really happened this rarely...:-\
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Things getting a bit wet for HMS King Alfred (18th Feb 1918)
and on the 19th
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Did you check the code charts
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1018.0) on exactly what
that means? Tropical Storm edging on hurricane and waves 36 feet
and more would meet anyones idea of "wet"! :o
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Hi Lupus,
can we see the complete two pages please ?
Can you copy the http\\ links here. Thanks.
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Did you check the code charts
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1018.0) on exactly what
that means? Tropical Storm edging on hurricane and waves 36 feet
and more would meet anyones idea of "wet"! :o
Yes, deliberate understatement on my part :)
Here are the two pages:-
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-45733/ADM53-45733-120_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-45733/ADM53-45733-120_1.jpg
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Sorry, LupusUK, the thumbnails don't work well.
We have
instructions in the newbies board and other places re making working
links - it's a bit fussy because the thumbnails are unreadable and the
URL you edit in is secured against any of the rest of us meddling with
your work.
To make JPEG link, go to Posting Links and Images (A Guide) (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=536.0)
"Right click the image of the page and choose:
Copy Image Location if you are using Firefox
Properties and copy the URL next to Address if you are using Internet Explorer
Copy image URL if you are using Chrome
(Ctrl+click) Copy Image Address if you are using Safari
Paste what you have copied into your post.
Pasting only the URL will provide a link to the image (preferable);"
And welcome to the forum.
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I'm starting to feel like I belong; I've finally found my first "overboard by an idiot." :)
Although the spelling isn't so hot, he's more of an "ax idiot". Still writing the barometer readings Bass Ackwords too.
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Somebody seems to have had a clumsy day:
Following
articles lost overboard owing to capsizing of Whaler. 4 Rifles 4 Belts.
paints. 120 Rds Ammunition, 6 oars, 1 set of sails Boat's original book
It wasn't even particularly windy at the time, so no idea what happened there...
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Sometimes you so want to know what really happened.
"Read warrants Nos 46 and 47. Discharged to depot 1 Master At Arms and 1 marine corporal".
Pehaps on the other hand it's better not to know............
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from HMS Southampton, a "map" of the ship:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-60721/ADM%2053-60721-006_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-60721/ADM%2053-60721-006_0.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-60721/ADM%2053-60721-006_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-60721/ADM%2053-60721-006_1.jpg)
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Geoff, I took the liberty to copy your post into the "If you find
letters or other misc in the logbooks..." thread. It is very
interesting. :)
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Someone needed stronger pegs ...
'Frocks woolen divers p.att 26 1
in no lost overboard from clothes line'! And did divers really
wear woollen frocks or have I misread the first word? I tried to
make it 'socks' which sounded a bit more likely, but I don't think it
is. :)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57923/ADM%2053-57923-006_0.jpg
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Hi HelenJ
That first word is odd. There are no cross strokes that one would expect for an F.
It
looks most like an L to me but that makes no sense. Could also be an S
but there is definitely a second letter before the ocks.
We definitely need the collective brains of OW on this one.
K
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It looks like some kind of contraction to me because of the dot
before the s ('Frock.s'). So could it be short for 'frock-coats'?
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I wonder if it is some kind of undergarment, worn beneath their diving gear -
yours -
Kathy W.
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Yes I'd wondered about that; I'm sure they would have needed
something to stay warm. But neither frocks nor socks nor frock
coats sounds quite likely for that ....
Helen J
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I've seen "F"s like that, and I would take "divers" in this instance to mean "diverse", not having to do with diving.
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But 'diverse frocks' still sound odd things to be hanging on the washing line on a naval ship :D
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Hi Helenj
Your letter is an "S". I have seen it written like this a lot of times.
Here is an example: The "S" of Saturday.
I wanted also to sent this page as there is some action going on while bombarding Moa Bay.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37519/ADM%2053-37519-182_1.jpg
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So it was probably diverse socks (or possibly diver's socks!) which
took off into the Bay of Biscay. And just as they were arriving
back in chilly Britain after years basking in African heat. Very
bad luck ...
And that's a serious page of action you posted - I've
never seen one with anything like that amount recorded. Probably
the nearest I came was when Rinaldo grounded and had a lot of trouble
getting off again (in very bad weather, too).
Helen J
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Hi Helenj
Your letter is an "S". I have seen it written like this a lot of times.
Here is an example: The "S" of Saturday.
I wanted also to sent this page as there is some action going on while bombarding Moa Bay.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37519/ADM%2053-37519-182_1.jpg
Hmm,
those two letters don't really look that similar to me, though. ??? The
letter in helenj's log page has a crossbar, which the one on your log
page is lacking. Also, your letter has a top loop, and that's missing
from helenj's letter, which is using much straighter lines on the whole,
Besides there's clearly meant to be another letter to go before the o -
an e or an r (although the latter is far more plausible). So unless he
meant to write 'Srocks' or Seocks', I'd say 'Frocks' is still the most
likely reading...
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My ship, HMS Southampton, appears to have run aground in the San
Pedro Channel along with some other ships - the handwriting is quite
hard to read!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-60721/ADM%2053-60721-097_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-60721/ADM%2053-60721-097_1.jpg)
They keep trying the engines to get free but no luck so far!
The
next day we're still stuck but the HMS Petersfield arrived with a
lighter and the Admiral transferred the flag to Petersfield which then
set off up the river!?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-60721/ADM%2053-60721-098_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-60721/ADM%2053-60721-098_0.jpg)
Why pass the flag on I wonder?
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That I know from reading David Weber's Honorverse space opera.
The "flag" is the admiral's pennant and marks which ship in the
squadron he is using as his home office - though when you're dealing
with space ships, the flag is entirely virtual. ;)
That he moved to another ship with his flag
means he isn't just making use of a mobile ride, he's making the
Petersfield his new flagship. That has to be humiliating for the
Southampton's skipper.
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Exactly. Any running aground is bad news but running aground
with the admiral aboard is some or all of court martial, disciplinary
action and huge loss of status.
K
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Exactly.
Any running aground is bad news but running aground with the admiral
aboard is some or all of court martial, disciplinary action and huge
loss of status.
K
Plus lots of red faces, and much passing of the buck, I would assume!
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Exactly.
Any running aground is bad news but running aground with the admiral
aboard is some or all of court martial, disciplinary action and huge
loss of status.
K
Plus lots of red faces, and much passing of the buck, I would assume!
I
didn't get to see the end of this debacle as I'm almost at the end of
my journey and I keep getting bounced ahead by a week or two to the next
entry that needs doing so missed the actual "refloating" of the
Southampton.
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From the log of the Espiegle Nov 1922. Our Divers get a bath.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77067/ADM%2053-77067-0085_1.jpg
See the 10.00 entry. "Divers to Monthly Dip."
Is that what it says or have I just made a really stupid misread?
I have transcribed over 750 pages of this ship and not seen another "Monthly Dip" recorded, but this is a very quiet day.
K
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That's exactly what I read, but I'm willing to bet it's a practice dive to check the equipment and techniques.
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Thanks Janet for the confirmation that I am not totally misreading it.
I am sure you are right that it is something more than just a bath and training would be the obvious one.
Could it be that the log keeper is making a joke? Surely not.
K
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Interesting note from the Trent - a general servant sentenced to 1 month's leave stopped for breaking his leave.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63492/ADM%2053-63492-014_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63492/ADM%2053-63492-014_0.jpg)
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Some of our log-keeping lieutenants must have a sense of humor, even
if they are confining themselves to allowable events. :)
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My first submarine: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54563/ADM%2053-54563-013_1.jpg
Nothing exciting happened, though: we just spotted it, altered course and eventually watched it dive. Oh well.
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Cooks have to clean the mess decks, apparently.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-76851/ADM%2053-76851-0116_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-76851/ADM%2053-76851-0116_1.jpg)
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Maybe the previous day's dinner was no good and they were being punished?;)
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I reckon the Endeavour must be the cleanest ship in the fleet - two
months sitting in Sheerness now with hands doing very little other then
cleaning, scraping and painting. It must be gleaming!
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Changsha, 15 November, 1917
reported by "Woodlark"
Military Governor fled in a Chinese Gunboat
LGB
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Boxing Day concert on the Endeavour:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-76851/ADM%2053-76851-0188_1.jpg
And an officers' dance:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-76851/ADM%2053-76851-0189_1.jpg
And a whist drive:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-76851/ADM%2053-76851-0190_0.jpg
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Look's like a fun loving crew ! :D
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You can only imagine what they were singing ! ;) ;D
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5292/5479711126_2d01a69a01.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54788/ADM%2053-54788-014_1.jpg
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The cooks have to clean the mess decks everyday on the Foxglove ;D
yours -
Kathy
(sometimes that is about the only entry in the log for the day :D)
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HMS King Alfred in another storm:-
0.30 Shipped heavy sea - carried away starb. bridge padder & Blast screen
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-45733/ADM53-45733-135_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-45733/ADM53-45733-136_0.jpg
I've got an idea what a blast screen is but a bridge padder?
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Bridge ladder, he's just put a slightly larger loop on the l.
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Bridge ladder, he's just put a slightly larger loop on the l.
That makes more sense thank you :-[
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Does that count as a mondegreen???
K
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Here a strange event:
A warrant from H.M.S. Thistle is read
onboard H.M.S. Challenger. Unfortunately we will have to wait another 5
or 6 years to to find out what exactly happened.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37519/ADM%2053-37519-196_0.jpg
Maybe someone from the Navy could also explain how it comes that a warrant of a ship is read on another one.
Thanks HK.
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HMS Constance in Bermuda had a hurricane pass directly overhead on 21 Sep 1922
I would have copied the entries but I was halfway through before I realised.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74051/ADM%2053-74051-012_1.jpg
(also see entry pm re man overboard from Capetown)
HMS Constance, Bermuda. 25 Sep 1922
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74051/ADM%2053-74051-014_1.jpg
1000 Court of Inquiry held aboard to inquire into drowning of Sto of Capetown
HMS Constance, Bermuda. 27 Sep 1922
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74051/ADM%2053-74051-015_1.jpg
1300
Lost overboard by accident during hurricane 3 Sails wind, 1 Boatswain
Piper, 5 Broons Bass, 9 Scrubbing Brushes, 2 Brooms hair, 3 Buckets
wood, 113 fathoms Cordage Taned(?) 1? ", 4 Squeeqes
I see also Dictionary.com has: squee-gee - Origin: 1835?45; originally a nautical term; of obscure origin
Capetown
was also there and records it all hour by hour. It records HMS
Constance drifting 100 feet from the basin wall during the hurricane,
and then just after it eased HMS Dartmouth had a fire in one of its
boilers and Capetown sent a fire party to assist them.
And finally
and tragically later that day a stoker drowned, falling into the basin
from the jetty outside the dock - John J Lineham, Stoker 1, O.N. K
20284. I'll post him in the records of death as well.
Fascinating to read Constance's records as well.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-72547/ADM%2053-72547-087_1.jpg
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Dropped and lost target.
Oops. :P
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Chilly in Vladivostok
19 February, 1920. "Cairo" records air temperature of Zero (0)F
LGB
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'Hands to medical lecture' - must have been a lecture on anatomy.;)
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Three very busy days for H.M.S. Challenger trying to salvage S.S. Conrie Castle.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37519/ADM%2053-37519-222_0.jpg
H.M.S. Pioneer tried but gave up.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37519/ADM%2053-37519-222_1.jpg
H.M.S.Challenger also tried and too had to abandon.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37519/ADM%2053-37519-223_0.jpg
Finally we DID IT. What a relief it must have been for the crew of S.S. Conrie Castle.
Some terms might need some explanations:
A hawser is a thick cable (in our case 6") used for towing and passed through the hawser or cat's hole.
A good description of a sheet anchor is given here: http://www.1902encyclopedia.com/A/ANC/anchor-06.html
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On Aug. 23, 1921, a group of sailors from the Foxglove, then in Hong
Kong, went to the cinema - I myself am going tomorrow to see The King's Speech ;D. As weird as it sounds, this makes these men even more real to me.
yours -
Kathy W.
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Phew, 13th March 1916 and HMS Donegal is in Scapa Flow. 69 on the
sick list, the Captain and 3 other officers sent to hospital and at
quarters 10 punishment warants read out! What can it all mean?
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Phew,
13th March 1916 and HMS Donegal is in Scapa Flow. 69 on the sick list,
the Captain and 3 other officers sent to hospital and at quarters 10
punishment warants read out! What can it all mean?
A really bad case of food poisoning maybe?
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Phew,
13th March 1916 and HMS Donegal is in Scapa Flow. 69 on the sick list,
the Captain and 3 other officers sent to hospital and at quarters 10
punishment warants read out! What can it all mean?
A really bad case of food poisoning maybe?
Perhaps the warrants were being read to the cooks?!! ;D
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Perhaps the warrants were being read to the cooks?!! ;D
Why
not?;) I mean, if, say, something had gone off because they had failed
to store it properly and that in turn made everybody sick, they'd be
held accountable, no?
Not exactly riveting, but I found the entry 'Hands employed. Gunners party.' rather amusing.
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1 Railway waggon loaded with coal dropped from crane on boat deck smashing Paymasters office.
Luckily no-one got hurt, it seems.
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Of all the offices to smash, they picked the one belonging to the man with authority to bill them for the repairs? ;D
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Oh dear ! ;D
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Of all the offices to smash, they picked the one belonging to the man with authority to bill them for the repairs? ;D
Yes, you'd think that if they had to do something as dumb as that they'd at least make sure he was in his office at the time, to avoid the whole billing business...;)
In
other news, I've come across a page which has a lot of corrections in
the weather data, which may or may not be of interest to the
researchers. Is there anywhere in particular I should post this?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54567/ADM%2053-54567-017_0.jpg
I'm
only transcribing the bits which haven't been crossed out, but since
it's several entries, I thought it might be of interest.
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And that many errors on a page so neat and consistant, it has to be a
copy by a writer. Something was very wrong there.
For lack of a better place, I'd put it in If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks... (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=718.msg12238#msg12238)
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So much weather it almost won't fit in the box - bcgupq :o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-009_0.jpg
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So much weather it almost won't fit in the box - bcgupq :o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-009_0.jpg
Wow, that's a lot of weather. ;D
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from HMS Southampton, 13 December 1920, off the coast of Peru near Mollendo.
at 02:00 in the morning: "Saw glare in sky NEbyN"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-60721/ADM%2053-60721-177_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-60721/ADM%2053-60721-177_1.jpg)
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The Foxglove certainly had a crew with diverse interests: ;D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77621/ADM%2053-77621-0032_0.jpg
(See the entries in the afternoon)
I have also seen references to cricket teams, football (soccer) teams and other forms of entertainment -
yours -
Kathy W.
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The ship was commissioned on 31 December 1914. Only two weeks later, Mr Davis has already had enough.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-50069/ADM%2053-50069-012_1.jpg
They've not even done anything yet! Just sat in the dock and given everybody loads of leave!
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The Foxglove certainly had a crew with diverse interests: ;D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77621/ADM%2053-77621-0032_0.jpg
(See the entries in the afternoon)
I have also seen references to cricket teams, football (soccer) teams and other forms of entertainment -
yours -
Kathy W.
Capetown
is pretty sporting too - in the last few weeks they've landed large
groups of 50 to play football and cricket, and 100 to take part in the
US Navy Sports. All this while poddling up the west coast of
Mexico and California - not a bad life!
Helen J
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From the log of HMS Odin April 1914.
"Tested Lightning Conductor..."
How did they do that without waiting for a thunderstorm????
K
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I've just discovered that there's not only a Lieutenant McCartney on
board the Patia, we also seem to have a steward called McLennon (who
got himself a mention in the log by falling overboard and getting a bit
squashed between the ship and the dock wall). I wonder whether there's
an AB McHarrison lurking about as well? ;)
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Well, the Firefox certainly does know how to cater to every taste in entertainment -
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77622/ADM%2053-77622-0007_1.jpg
Please see the 5:35 am entry
I wonder if this was a club or if it was a foraging expedition ;D
yours -
Kathy W.
And they went out again the next day! - K.
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Someone is being unnecessarily harsh towards a tug :-\:
Two tugs assisting "Victor" & "Chieftian". "Chieftian", being of no use to ship was cast off.
And yes, he really doesn't know how to spell 'chieftain'. I double-checked.;)
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I've
just discovered that there's not only a Lieutenant McCartney on board
the Patia, we also seem to have a steward called McLennon (who got
himself a mention in the log by falling overboard and getting a bit
squashed between the ship and the dock wall). I wonder whether there's
an AB McHarrison lurking about as well? ;)
And dont forget stoker Star.
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And dont forget stoker Star.
Hmm, I think that ought to be McStarr, really - seeing as they're clearly the All-Scottish McBeatles. :P
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Don't forget Pete McBest like THEY did.
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Don't forget Pete McBest like THEY did.
Wasn't he lost overboard by an idiot?
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An unusual death for a sailor: "Died ashore in Hilo Hospital as a
result of a motor car accident - George Frank Osborn Yeo Sigs O.N.
224043."
This is from HMS Capetown, docked in Hilo, Hawaii.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-72547/ADM%2053-72547-131_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-72547/ADM%2053-72547-131_0.jpg)
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George Osborn R.I.P.
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That sounds extremely unlucky. Just how many cars can there have been in Hawaii in 1922? :-\
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Don't forget Pete McBest like THEY did.
Wasn't he lost overboard by an idiot?
I heard McHarrison, McMcCartny and McLennon chucked him over and blamed it on an inner ear problem.
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I heard McHarrison, McMcCartny and McLennon chucked him over and blamed it on an inner ear problem.
That sounds *exactly* like the kind of thing they'd do, unfortunately. So really, he was lost overboard by three idiots, then.:(
In other news, I just found out that we have a parachute on board. Or I should say had, because it's been lost:
Lost
overbooard in rough weather. Hoses with couplings 7. Life buoys
circular 3. Flexible VPS No 2 & 4 guns 1. Oars (ash) 4. Branch pipes
3. Boats gripes 3. Parachutes 1.
What
do you need parachutes for on a ship? ??? I'd have understood it if
this had happened on the Manica, but there are no planes around as far
as I can tell.
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That sounds *exactly* like the kind of thing they'd do, unfortunately. So really, he was lost overboard by three idiots, then.:(
Though
in fairness to those three, I've heard the Decca audition tapes, and
McBest was one of the McWorst drummers in Liverpool. Couldn't even
keep the beat. I woulda chucked him overboard, too.
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Geoff: I tried to find some info on Mr. Osborn via ancestry.com,
but to no avail. It is definitely an unexpected cause of death.
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David Cameron is on board as well, it seems. And he's just been cautioned for being a bit useless:
Cautioned
Engineer Sub Lieut Cameron for neglecting his duty in not immediately
reporting a fireman, who refused to obey his orders, to the officer of
the watch, in accordance with the Commander's standing orders. D Cameron
Edit: It's a good day for cautioning, it seems:
Cautioned
JB Middlemass RNR for creating a disturbance on the bridge during the
1st watch on April 12th & disobeying the ['(bridge)', crossed out]
orders of the officer of the watch Lieut H. Watson RNR. Signed J B
Middlemass Mid RNR.
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Gunnery Competition.
This page includes the log of a gunnery competition, off Muscat in May 1914 between HMS Odin and HMS Alert.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53180/ADM%2053-53180-044_1.jpg
It was clearly properly organised with "umpires" who switched between ships at "half time".
Odins
results were 4" guns: 16 rounds fired, 2 hits and 3 pdr guns: 13 rounds
fired, 4 hits. Sadly they were clearly going to add Alert's results
underneath, but changed their minds and crossed out her name so we will
never know who won.
K
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Geoff:
I tried to find some info on Mr. Osborn via ancestry.com, but to no
avail. It is definitely an unexpected cause of death.
Thanks for looking Deej, I tried googling the name but no luck.
It is rather an unusual death for the time as there couldn't have been many cars around.
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That sounds *exactly* like the kind of thing they'd do, unfortunately. So really, he was lost overboard by three idiots, then.:(
Though
in fairness to those three, I've heard the Decca audition tapes, and
McBest was one of the McWorst drummers in Liverpool. Couldn't even
keep the beat. I woulda chucked him overboard, too.
Yep.
He was rhythmically challenged, all right. But it's always
difficult when a band member is cut loose. I've always felt kind
of bad for Pete Best, but the Beatles might never have come to our
attention if he hadn't been replaced.
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Geoff: 1922 was the first year Hawaii issued standardized
license plates. They had enough cars to make that
worthwhile. By 1922 they had a major highway going to Honolulu, as
well. I can't find stats on how many cars there were, but I know
what they looked like in 1922, and they weren't all that safe.
Seatbelts had already been invented, but they weren't really in use
until the 50s.
Farrelly: Don't feel too bad for Pete.
Yeah, it had to be depressing thinking you had come that close to
unprecedented fame and fortune, but he wasn't going to be the guy, not
with timing issues like he had. Besides, McCartney and Martin made
sure those Decca demos were on Anthology Volume 1 so Pete would get
royalties, which came to nearly 4 million pounds after taxes. Not
bad back wages for a guy who couldn't keep the beat and often missed
gigs without warning (forcing Paul to play drums in the clubs).
AND...
I don't know if it was Pete's idea or the label's (I'm going to assume
it's the label), but he put out a terrible record called The Best of the
Beatles, which tricked a lot of people into buying a very, very bad
record. Even if it was a suit's idea, Pete loses sympathy points
for that one.
And now I will reprimand myself for topic drift. I will be in the Time Out chair if anyone needs me.
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I'm currently on HMS Dwarf which is patrolling around west Africa in September 1914.
This
undated log entry has some action: "Landing party returned with 4
prisoners having destroyed enemy's signal station & examined?
[illegible] point."
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-40444/ADM53-40444-041_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-40444/ADM53-40444-041_0.jpg)
There
are other interesting entries on this page but the handwriting is awful
and I can't make any sense of what's happening :(
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Not a big problem. Dwarf is engaging with Cumberland. They opened
fire on the Sanatorium (naughty!). They also engaged the guard ship
Hertz? Elizabeth which retreated after receiving one hit. Later on they
anchored by Cumberland.
Hope this helps.
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I'm currently on HMS Dwarf which is patrolling around west Africa in September 1914.
This
undated log entry has some action: "Landing party returned with 4
prisoners having destroyed enemy's signal station & examined?
[illegible] point."
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-40444/ADM53-40444-041_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-40444/ADM53-40444-041_0.jpg)
There
are other interesting entries on this page but the handwriting is awful
and I can't make any sense of what's happening :(
That looks like 'Suellaba point' to me - and apparently there's a coastal town called 'Souellaba' in Cameroon. Could that be it?
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Not
a big problem. Dwarf is engaging with Cumberland. They opened fire on
the Sanatorium (naughty!). They also engaged the guard ship Hertz? Elizabeth which retreated after receiving one hit. Later on they anchored by Cumberland.
Hope this helps.
Hertzogin (which should probably be 'Herzogin', i.e. duchess).
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An odd sort of day on the Foxglove:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77622/ADM%2053-77622-0026_1.jpg
yours -
Kathy W.
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Sorry for being a bit stupid, but what's so odd about it? The funeral party? ???
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For me, it was more the Sanatorium parties coming and going with no
explanation as to why these parties had gone and were going - there are
no sailors on the sick list: was there a sudden epidemic of TB?
Did a group start to hear voices? :o Was it a
vacation? I don't know, for some reason it just struck me as a Twin Peaks
sort of day (an odd US TV show in the 90s). And then, a funeral
party - for a crew member? ex-crew member? crew members'
friend from another ship? A party sent solely to honor a dead
comrade? (which is not a bad reason at all for such a group)
I wish there was more information!!!
Non sequiturianly (which is how I would describe this day) yours -
Kathy W.
There
was another ship (whose name escapes me now) that also sent crew
members to the sanatorium with no explanation as to why. I dearly
wish there was a way to go back and smack these log keepers on the head
and tell them to include the details! ;D - K.
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Hi Kathy,
The other sanatorium party was mine - from
Rinaldo. The entire crew took off to the Sanatorium in Simonstown
in May 1916 for about a week. No explanation at all; and there was
one sailor on the sick list when they went, and two when they came
back!
I absolutely sympathise with your frustration at the complete
lack of forethought on the part of the log keepers; they should have
known that some day we would be transcribing their logs and wanting to
know the whole story, not just the scraps they give us. However
I'm interested that another crew took off to the sanatorium in a
different place and time - so perhaps it was quite a regular part of
life?
Helen J
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Hi Helen -
It may be a yearly routine sort of thing - the
Foxglove just sent off Sanatorium Party #3 - I have transcribed bits and
pieces of the Foxglove's log for 1922 and 1923, and there was nothing
like this in the pages I have done. ;D
Maybe this was a mini-vacation for the crew :D
yours -
Kathy W.
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Tornado! :o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-76852/ADM%2053-76852-0057_1.jpg
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Hi Helen -
It
may be a yearly routine sort of thing - the Foxglove just sent off
Sanatorium Party #3 - I have transcribed bits and pieces of the
Foxglove's log for 1922 and 1923, and there was nothing like this in the
pages I have done. ;D
Maybe this was a mini-vacation for the crew :D
yours -
Kathy W.
Nice
to think it might have been - but I think I did pretty much all of
Rinaldo from 1916 to 1919 and never came across another mention of a
sanatorium.
I wonder how many of them there were scattered round the
world, and whether they were just naval ones, or could anyone go? I
feel a bit of research coming on ..... :)
Helen J
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We were in a tornado warning (in Northern Virginia and Central
Maryland) last night - luckily, it seems the twister didn't set down -
yours -
Kathy W.
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Slightly unusual 'lost overboard by an idiot':
Lost
by armed Guards of s/s "Elve" & "Bernisce" through torpedoing of
vessels by enemy submarines. Pistols Wesley .6. Belts Waist .7. Pouches
Cart. Pistol .7. Holsters .7.
Which begs the question: why did they only lose 6 pistols? ???
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Not
a big problem. Dwarf is engaging with Cumberland. They opened fire on
the Sanatorium (naughty!). They also engaged the guard ship Hertz?
Elizabeth which retreated after receiving one hit. Later on they
anchored by Cumberland.
Hope this helps.
Thanks for the help, this clears things up for me.
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Some further action from HMS Dwarf, currently in the area of the Cameroon River in west Africa, September 1914:
"Sighted lighter & steam boat ahead & opened fire."
"Shore battery from Tess? Point opened fire. Engaged shore battery & ordered sweeping? boats to take cover on West? side."
"Retired. Having been hit once under the bridge."
"Let go port anchor in 3 1/2 fathoms south of sunken ships."
"Discharged P.O. [illegible] who had been seriously wounded in the action to Cumberland."
"Darkened ship."
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-40444/ADM53-40444-042_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-40444/ADM53-40444-042_0.jpg)
Edit:
The wounded man died and was buried by a landing party the following
day - his name was P.O. Growber? (can't make out the writing)
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Edit:
The wounded man died and was buried by a landing party the following
day - his name was P.O. Growber? (can't make out the writing)
That must be F. H. Coomber: http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1914-09Sept.htm
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Thanks for the link mutabilitie, that must be the person. The
handwriting in the log is quite awful at times and I was sure that the
name started with a "G" not a "C"!
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Thanks
for the link mutabilitie, that must be the person. The handwriting in
the log is quite awful at times and I was sure that the name started
with a "G" not a "C"!
The
writing doesn't look so very bad to me in terms of the actual letter
shapes, he's just a bit of a sloppy writer, unfortunately.:( And he has a
very odd way of linking up capital C's and lowercase o's. At first I
thought that he might have added in the first o later, but it's in the
1.15 entry as well ('Cover').
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Some more action from the Dwarf, 15 September 1914, near the Cameroon River:
"4:50 [am] Sighted launch. Opened fire.
Sent Vigilant to investigate.
6:00 Vigilant returned with launch
filled with infernal machine [that's what it looks like to me :D ]
6:30 Captured 1 german from "Louie"?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-40444/ADM53-40444-044_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-40444/ADM53-40444-044_0.jpg)
The next day the Dwarf skirmished with a german gunboat and was rammed [as far as I can make out].
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-40444/ADM53-40444-044_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-40444/ADM53-40444-044_1.jpg)
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filled with infernal machine [that's what it looks like to me :D ]
Another one for the mondegreen thread, methinks.;)
The next day the Dwarf skirmished with a german gunboat and was rammed [as far as I can make out].
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-40444/ADM53-40444-044_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-40444/ADM53-40444-044_1.jpg)
"Opened
fire on ship coming into river. German Gunboat Nachtigal rammed ship
abreast Foremast Port side. Slipped cable & beached ship on left
Bank of river placed Collision mat. Nachtigal on fire. Picked up 4 white
[too small to read, but I think it begins with 'sea-'] & 8 Black.
Secured ship to river bank. Lost 1 Bows anchor & 2 shackles of
cable. 1 Swisal (?) piece, 1 anchor shackle, 2 joining shackles."
Who or what is TIKO, by the way?
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54571/ADM%2053-54571-012_1.jpg
1am: 'Officers to stripping' - what on earth is that supposed to mean? Early-morning burlesque? :-\
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Who or what is TIKO, by the way?
I did a bit of googling and found this article which seems to fit the time frame (it mentions the "Tiko column"):
http://www.kaiserscross.com/188001/264701.html (http://www.kaiserscross.com/188001/264701.html)
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Ah, so it's not an acronym, then?
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54571/ADM%2053-54571-012_1.jpg
1am: 'Officers to stripping' - what on earth is that supposed to mean? Early-morning burlesque? :-\
I
had something like "Marines to 3 pdr stripping" which had some of the
ladies a bit excited but we came to the conclusion that it was just
marines exercising stripping down a gun. I guess this is something
similar, but why they did it at midnight is less clear.
HTH
K
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I
had something like "Marines to 3 pdr stripping" which had some of the
ladies a bit excited but we came to the conclusion that it was just
marines exercising stripping down a gun. I guess this is something
similar, but why they did it at midnight is less clear.
HTH
K
Ah.
I thought it might be some kind of drill routine because of the context
in which it occurs. It's still a bit unusual, though, because I'm
positive that I've not seen it in any of the earlier logs I've
transcribed for this ship - which is nearly two and a half years' worth -
so either it's something which didn't form part of their standard
routine or it's something which was only introduced in mid-1917. Or they
referred to it as something else before then (maybe it was just part of
the gun drill?).
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Variation on a theme: destroyed by an idiot:
Destroyed
by accident, Supply notes & Originals of demand notes for
Engineer's stores for the period February 1915 to 6th February 1917.
How do you manage to destroy that many notes 'by accident', though? Did someone accidentally set fire to them? ???
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Maybe the sailors he has been making demands of stormed the ship and his office and dumped the file cabinet overboard? ;D
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Bizarre log entry of the day:
Private M. McGrain RMLI lost his cap by accident on Saturday 23rd June.
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"Accident" my foot. Everyone knows McGrain hated that cap.
Regarding
accidental loss by fire, I'm sure it was just a matter of destroying a
large stack of stuff, then finding out some of it wasn't supposed to be
destroyed.
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"Accident" my foot. Everyone knows McGrain hated that cap.
;D
I
also find it quite odd that instead of admitting to that "accident"
right away, he evidently spent over a week pretending it hadn't
happened, until he was caught out in some drill. Did he seriously expect
to get away with that??
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McGain's excuse could have been: Sir! Lots of wind. Sir! ::)
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Auckland 28 September, 1914 10:30pm
"Philomel" landed watch to quell disturbance "Corinthia"
LGB
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Star gazing:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-76852/ADM%2053-76852-0069_1.jpg
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From log of Victorian 3 August, 1915
Officers at sword drill, lost overboard 1 bayonet and scabbard
LGB
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From log of Victorian 3 August, 1915
Officers at sword drill, lost overboard 1 bayonet and scabbard
LGB
Obviously they need a bit more drilling if not only did he fumble his sword overboard, but his scabbard too! ;D
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53180/ADM%2053-53180-136_0.jpg
See the 12.45 am Entry. Steam cutter away after floating object.
Only to find that it was a dead mule!!!
K
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I love that it is not a dead mule, but rather, a mule dead. ;D
yours -
Kathy W.
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Some busy days for H.M.S. Challenger.
Ras Sangamku must be a tricky place: H.M.S. Manica went aground and was towed from her position.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37520/ADM53-37520-0032_0.jpg
Manica's Bower must have been quite stuck in the corals because tries to recuperate it failed.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37520/ADM53-37520-0033_1.jpg
This
day was very busy: In the morning a British dhow was stopped and
examined, and, later, H.M.S. Thistle went aground close to where H.M.S.
Manica went aground.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37520/ADM53-37520-0037_1.jpg
Happily no damage was done to those ships.
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Some busy days for H.M.S. Challenger.
Ras Sangamku must be a tricky place: H.M.S. Manica went aground and was towed from her position.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37520/ADM53-37520-0032_0.jpg
Manica's Bower must have been quite stuck in the corals because tries to recuperate it failed.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37520/ADM53-37520-0033_1.jpg
This
day was very busy: In the morning a British dhow was stopped and
examined, and, later, H.M.S. Thistle went aground close to where H.M.S.
Manica went aground.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37520/ADM53-37520-0037_1.jpg
Happily no damage was done to those ships.
Heh, I remember those entries.:)
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Hi Mutabilitie
It could be interesting to know how H.M.S. Manica and H.M.S. Thistle got aground. :)
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Hi Mutabilitie
It could be interesting to know how H.M.S. Manica and H.M.S. Thistle got aground. :)
I
only remember the Manica running aground and being towed away (and I
think we spotted the Thistle later and they said they didn't want any
help - muppets). But I don't think there was any detailed mention of how it happened in the log. Hang on, I'll try to look it up...
Edit: Yes, as I remembered. There's a detailed account of what happened after they ran aground, but that's it:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48166/ADM%2053-48166-013_0.jpg
Edit2: And here's the Thistle turning down our offer of help:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48166/ADM%2053-48166-018_1.jpg
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Hi Mutabilitie
It could be interesting to know how H.M.S. Manica and H.M.S. Thistle got aground. :)
I
only remember the Manica running aground and being towed away (and I
think we spotted the Thistle later and they said they didn't want any
help - muppets). But I don't think there was any detailed mention of how it happened in the log. Hang on, I'll try to look it up...
Edit: Yes, as I remembered. There's a detailed account of what happened after they ran aground, but that's it:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48166/ADM%2053-48166-013_0.jpg
Edit2: And here's the Thistle turning down our offer of help:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48166/ADM%2053-48166-018_1.jpg
Thank you very much for this post.
Your Lieutenant is very precise in his description of the incident. Amazing.
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I loved this, I've never seen it described this way before. I
copied it into the "If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
" thread. It is definitely unusual.
Hi Mutabilitie
It could be interesting to know how H.M.S. Manica and H.M.S. Thistle got aground. :)
I
only remember the Manica running aground and being towed away (and I
think we spotted the Thistle later and they said they didn't want any
help - muppets). But I don't think there was any detailed mention of how it happened in the log. Hang on, I'll try to look it up...
Edit: Yes, as I remembered. There's a detailed account of what happened after they ran aground, but that's it:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48166/ADM%2053-48166-013_0.jpg
Edit2: And here's the Thistle turning down our offer of help:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48166/ADM%2053-48166-018_1.jpg
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I think it may have been because that particular log-writer was
potentially quite bored (up to that point, there had been little to note
down in the log except a long string of near-identical weather
descriptions), so as soon as he got a chance to write about something
more exciting, he really threw himself into it. ;D
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Tobacco smuggling on board the Endeavour!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-76852/ADM%2053-76852-0156_0.jpg
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:o Riveting indeed!
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This so odd - the crew of the Foxglove was paid off on Dec. 26, 1921
and then a new log book began on Dec. 27, 1921 and it contains the
regular sort of entries - there is no mention of dry dock or retirement
or any thing that might have lead to the crew being paid off and the
ship retired - why would the Navy do this? ???
Log page for Dec. 26, 1921:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77623/ADM%2053-77623-0031_0.jpg
Log page for Dec. 27, 1921:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77624/ADM%2053-77624-0003_1.jpg
I am so confused!! :o
yours -
Kathy W.
REPRIEVE!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77624/ADM%2053-77624-0004_0.jpg
and a new crew:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77624/ADM%2053-77624-0004_1.jpg
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The same happened with Danae in Malta - the voyage her crew had been
assigned to carry out was over, and all officers and company were paid
off. If you look at Foxglove's page numbers in the top corner, the
26th was towards the end of an old book (page 56) and the 27th is on
page 1 of a new book. The original logs for that entire voyage
(months? years?) have been sent back to the Admiralty, and the ship's
company redistributed to new assignments. Then after a couple of
days of juggling, another crew and set of officers come aboard and a new
set of original logs is started for the new voyage.
It was kind of fun to see that normal turnover happen right on the pages in front of me. :)
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Group outing to Sierra Leone:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-76852/ADM%2053-76852-0179_1.jpg
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Confused log keeper - Captain of Portuguese Vessel Paid Official Vessel ;D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-76852/ADM%2053-76852-0183_0.jpg
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not so much riveting, but more a variation on a theme : 'lost by neglect'. :D
Just before the 11.30 Quinine Parade
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-76852/ADM%2053-76852-0036_1.jpg
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Ouch - that hydrographer watch is probably very expensive!
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The hazards of a dirty bottom - it affects your speed! See the entry for 14.30 ....
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-72548/ADM%2053-72548-013_0.jpg
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Free Turkish rifles
See the 10.30 entry. http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53182/ADM%2053-53182-006_0.jpg
Served out Turkish Rifles to ships company.
This is following the battle for Basra in the Mesopotamia Campaign
K
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Mr Reid in trouble:-
Had occasion to caution Mr Reid,
Signal Boatswain, for neglect of duty, in that he, while in charge of
wireless telegraphy signals, did not take sufficient steps with regard
to a signal from flagship
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45999/ADM%2053-45999-027_0.jpg
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Interesting times on the Knight Templar.
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Interesting times on the Knight Templar.
Sorry
if this is an obvious question, but just what does 'forecast' mean in
this context? A guess based on their own weather observations? Or did
someone just tell them 'Watch out, there's a hurricane coming, we heard
it on the news'?
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Ah. It's not hurricane forecast, it's hurricane force. :D
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The Dwarf gunboat is busy around the coast of Cameroon in late
December 1914. Proceeds along the coast "bombarding" several towns.
On 30th December 1914:
"Weighed and procd. to Buambi [?]. Bombarded. Capt & party landed
Landing party returned having burnt down houses & destroyed telephones"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-40444/ADM53-40444-097_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-40444/ADM53-40444-097_0.jpg)
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They are having a careless day on HMS Lancaster (1st Nov 1913)
Morning
Broken by accident Mercurial Barometer No Z 497
Luckily for us they seem to have a replacement
Commenced taking readings by aneroid
Then in the afternoon
Lost overboard by accident Reflectors yard arm Pattn. 614 1 in No
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45999/ADM%2053-45999-029_1.jpg
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The
Dwarf gunboat is busy around the coast of Cameroon in late December
1914. Proceeds along the coast "bombarding" several towns.
On 30th December 1914:
"Weighed and procd. to Buambi [?]. Bombarded. Capt & party landed
Landing party returned having burnt down houses & destroyed telephones"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-40444/ADM53-40444-097_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-40444/ADM53-40444-097_0.jpg)
I
think that must be Longi - that's what it looks like to me, and
according to Fuzzy Gazetteer there's a place in the Southern Province of
Cameroon called Longi, and it seems to be near the coast.
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A paymaster and a marine nip to the hole in the wall...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58282/ADM%2053-58282-079_1.jpg
I
wonder whether the marine was to make sure the paymaster didn't nick
anything, or whether the paymaster was to help the marine count?
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Maybe the paymaster looked a bit frail and the marine was there to ensure he wouldn't get mugged along the way?;)
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Interesting times on Capetown; they're erecting marquees on the
jetty in preparation for a dance (no sign of the actual dance yet);
dressing the ship for the King's Birthday (Calcutta gets to fire the 21
gun salute though :()
And then someone sinks a buoy and is
'warned to be more careful in future' - I wonder if he'd been
anticipating the dance? As Capetown doesn't seem to be going
anywhere much at present, sinking anything is quite a feat.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-72548/ADM%2053-72548-046_1.jpg
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33655/ADM53-33655-154_1.jpg
Not so much a riveting entry as a riveting ship (no pun intended).
SS Fram was boarded at 0450 by HMS Andes whilst carrying "Metals and machinery" from New York to Bergen.
This
the ship that took Nansen, Sverdrup and Amundsen on their Polar
travels. Well, maybe it's another Fram but I still think the name is
worth a mention. The Polar ship now rests in a museum in Oslo, open to
the public.
I saw it when we visited Oslo - MANY years ago!
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Looks like we've got a royal sub-lieutenant on board now (see noon entry): ;)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54572/ADM%2053-54572-017_1.jpg
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Does the "Windsor" surname always denote a member of the royal family? [Forgive me, I'm not from Great Britain.]
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Does the "Windsor" surname denote a member of the royal family? [Forgive me, I'm not from Great Britain.]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Windsor
Even the date fits - this is July 1917. :P
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So cool.
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Oh dear - we seem to have misplaced some crew members (please see the entries at the bottom of the page)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77624/ADM%2053-77624-0015_0.jpg
Luckily, they turn up the next day -
yours -
Kathy W.
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Some strange rigmarole going on about ships forming lines and whatnot. Probably for the benefit of the RA.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54573/ADM%2053-54573-005_1.jpg
Also, until this point I wasn't actually aware that we had an 'Irish Base'. I assume it's Belfast, but I don't really know. ???
Also, short but sad:
Passed upturned life-boat.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53193/ADM%2053-53193-008_1.jpg
See the 5.20pm entry.
I
expect we will see the quality of the logs drop significantly if the
new writer is only 3rd class. Although perhaps the one we have is only
4th class so it will improve
Who knows?
K
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Don't forget that during WW1 the whole of Ireland was British. The
partition only happened in the early 1920s and even then the Irish had a
special status in the UK.
Part of the problem for convoys in WW2
was the lack of the Irish bases for naval and air support because
Ireland had elected to remain neutral. It should be said that many men
chose to volunteer for the British forces anyway but the state housed a
German embassy with consequent intelligence problems for the UK.
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* Quote
Some strange rigmarole going on about ships forming lines and whatnot. Probably for the benefit of the RA.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54573/ADM%2053-54573-005_1.jpg
Also, until this point I wasn't actually aware that we had an 'Irish Base'. I assume it's Belfast, but I don't really know. ???
I
see that Arlanza was in that port as well. Nothing called "Irish
base" ever appeared in is logs, but it did visit Belfast as well as Cork
and other Irish harbors near Cork. I have no special knowledge,
but I gathered from the references to ships lining up abreast that they
were sweeping for mines or submarines around the entrance to the harbor,
perhaps using their paravanes. Arlanza wasn't a minesweeper, but I
think it did engage in some of that.
I wouldn't feel too bad
about the lifeboat: could have been swept overboard, or used as a decoy
by Germans. Elsewhere in this forum there are references to RN
ships shooting at & sinking them.
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War is declared, no mention in Rosario's logs. Wonder whether the
message took a while to get through, or whether the outbreak of a world
war just wasn't considered noteworthy...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58282/ADM%2053-58282-148_0.jpg
Articles of war read the next day, wonder whether it's just coincidental?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58282/ADM%2053-58282-148_1.jpg
Aha, I think the message has got through - mass exodus from Hong Kong.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58282/ADM%2053-58282-149_0.jpg
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Don't
forget that during WW1 the whole of Ireland was British. The partition
only happened in the early 1920s and even then the Irish had a special
status in the UK.
I
know, but we got there within less than a day of leaving Glasgow and we
only passed Fanad and Tory Island about five hours after leaving this
'Irish Base', so Belfast is by far the most plausible option, no?
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Don't
forget that during WW1 the whole of Ireland was British. The partition
only happened in the early 1920s and even then the Irish had a special
status in the UK.
I
know, but we got there within less than a day of leaving Glasgow and we
only passed Fanad and Tory Island about five hours after leaving this
'Irish Base', so Belfast is by far the most plausible option, no?
hmm.
the lat/long shown for 8 pm on the log page seem to be somewhere
off west the coast of Ireland, north of the Aran Islands (55 28n, 8 25w,
converted to decimal 55.466667 / -8.416667) Can that be right?. Not
near a harbor at all. Makes no sense. see map:
http://www.worldcountries.info/Maps/GoogleMap-Ireland.php
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hmm.
the lat/long shown for 8 pm on the log page seem to be somewhere
off west the coast of Ireland, north of the Aran Islands (55 28n, 8 25w,
converted to decimal 55.466667 / -8.416667) Can that be right?. Not
near a harbor at all. Makes no sense. see map:
http://www.worldcountries.info/Maps/GoogleMap-Ireland.php
The Aran Islands? But I thought they were somewhere on the west coast, in the general area of Galway? ???
No,
that definitely isn't possible, because I'd have noticed if we had
travelled that far along the coast of Ireland (and at the speed at which
the Patia is normally travelling, it couldn't have covered that
distance within less than 24 hours anyway). It must be somewhere quite
close to Glasgow, partly because we got there so quickly and partly
because there weren't any sightings of lighthouses which I hadn't passed
before on the way to / from Glasgow. And that pretty much restricts it
to Antrim, although I suppose it could be a smaller port somewhere
slightly further north than Belfast.
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By the way, my marvellous log-keeper has come up with a creative new wind direction (see 6pm entry): SLly. ;D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54573/ADM%2053-54573-006_1.jpg
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I'm just sayin' . . .
I was trying to figure out what the
harbor was, using the ship's log lat/long entry (for 8 pm) and it looks
to me like somewhere off the west coast of Ireland, as you say.
I
was curious because Arlanza was mentioned in the log, and this lining
up abreast was probably mentioned in its logs, as well. It would
take me forever to find it by date, though.
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Could it possibly be The Isle of Arran which is in the Firth of Clyde due W of Ayr?
LGB
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I'm just sayin' . . .
I
was trying to figure out what the harbor was, using the ship's log
lat/long entry (for 8 pm) and it looks to me like somewhere off the west
coast of Ireland, as you say.
I was curious because
Arlanza was mentioned in the log, and this lining up abreast was
probably mentioned in its logs, as well. It would take me forever
to find it by date, though.
Sorry,
it looks like I misremembered: we actually left Glasgow on the evening
of 1 August and spent all of 2 August at sea:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54573/ADM%2053-54573-004_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54573/ADM%2053-54573-005_0.jpg
We
sighted Fanad Pt about an hour before reaching the 'Irish Base', and
that's on the north coast of Donegal, so I suppose we could have got a
lot further than I'd assumed, but not as far as the west coast, really.
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A nice example of international cooperation: (See the 7005 am entry)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77624/ADM%2053-77624-0018_0.jpg
;D
yours -
Kathy
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And the boat race is on TV!
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A nice example of international cooperation: (See the 7005 am entry)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77624/ADM%2053-77624-0018_0.jpg
;D
yours -
Kathy
Merlin
has been sending his first Engineman and the 1st Engineman from the
Robin over to help the Towhee repair its engines. They have been
circling around the Towhee until the repairs are effected.
Not as much fun as sharing a boat for a race, but a nice example
of cooperation.
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This must be the most temperature readings I've ever seen in a single log page. :-\
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54573/ADM%2053-54573-013_1.jpg
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Such beautiful handwriting!
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Such beautiful handwriting!
Beatiful enough to tempt you to join the Patia?;)
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DHomel is correct about the handwriting, and I think some young officer was on punishment duty to take so many readings!
What surprised me was the cold - to spend an entire AUGUST morning in the 30s while dodging icebergs!! :o
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DHomel is correct about the handwriting, and I think some young officer was on punishment duty to take so many readings!
What surprised me was the cold - to spend an entire AUGUST morning in the 30s while dodging icebergs!! :o
We
were very close to Greenland at the time - I think the trip to see the
icebergs, along with the constant readings and all the fancy new drills
we're suddenly exercising may have been to impress the Rear Admiral.;)
Before he came on board, we never did any 'submarine attack'
exercises, and I doubt we'll keep doing them now that he's left (which
is a bit unfortunate, because the Patia will be sunk by a German
submarine in a few months' time, so maybe it would have been a good idea
to do that exercise a bit more often).
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Here's a curious little incident:
"4.0 Brit: S.S. "Cavous"
arr'd & asked for assistance due to fireman refusing duty. Sent
escort & officers to investigate.
6.30 Escort returned with 10 fireman of "Cavous" under arrest."
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33556/ADM53-33556-015_0.jpg
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Such beautiful handwriting!
Beatiful enough to tempt you to join the Patia?;)
Well,
when I finish with the Merlin, I will need to transfer somewhere, and
if the Patia has not been completed by then, I would certainly consider
it. :D
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Well,
when I finish with the Merlin, I will need to transfer somewhere, and
if the Patia has not been completed by then, I would certainly consider
it. :D
Excellent.
;D I think once I've finished with the Patia's logs, I'll have to start
a recruitment drive, because I'm currently the only active transcriber
and there'll still be around 30% left after I'm done.
In other
news, it's September 1917 now and we left Glasgow only to to hang about
just outside the boom defence for about a week, doing nothing in
particular. Every day, the captain and officers would be taken ashore in
boats and collected again in the evening, until finally on the 28th,
'HM Yacht Albion III' left the port with an escort - which must have
been the reason why we were dithering about for so long, because we
stopped dithering shortly afterwards.
I wonder what that was all about? ???
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Another private has lost his cap overboard: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54575/ADM%2053-54575-004_0.jpg
Also,
my wonderful (if muddle-brained) log-writer has been replaced by
someone with horrible spiky writing and a really bad pen.:(
Edit: Only a day later, Private Smith loses his cap again - 'accidentally' this time: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54575/ADM%2053-54575-004_1.jpg
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Um, were the caps particularly unattractive?
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Possibly. ;)
I'm beginning to feel rather sorry for the poor guy
who is currently in the cells. They're monitoring the temperature in his
cell on a regular basis, and while it started out at 68 degrees- making
it the only well-heated place on board, no doubt - it has been steadily
dropping over the past two days, (we're off the coast of Iceland at the
moment and having an early cold snap) and it's now down to just 50.
Obviously it's even colder outside, but at least the rest of the guys
will get some exercise to keep themselves warm via the constant drills
and the ever-popular deck-cleaning...
Update: I think the low
temperatures in the cells might have been causing some concern,
actually. On Sunday 7 October, the prisoner was briefly released and
then evidently put back in the cells, because the temperature
readings resumed in the evening, only they were suddenly considerably
higher, so it looks as though they did something to heat it up, at least
temporarily.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-39992/0256_0.jpg
HMS Donegal, 4TH May 1916 has gone to Norway from Scapa Flow, spends
one night in a Fjord near Bergen, and returns to Scapa the next day.
The entry at 2pm reads, 'Embarked 15 members of Russian Duma'
It took a while to believe that actually said 'Russian Duma' but there are several
references to a delegation from Russia visting Britain, France & Norway in the spring of 1916
on the net, so I guess it's correct.
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Nice find! It's interesting to see how old "congressional
junkets" are - I wonder if they also put all their side expenses on
their bill to the taxpayers? ;)
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HMS Clio has an officer wounded.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38068/ADM-53-38068-089_0.jpg
The
background is that she is supporting the British and Indian push
northwards against Turkish troops in modern Iraq in May 1915. On
previous days she has landed troops who have burned villages and driven
out the Arabs who were supporting the Turks.
She has supplied Lt
Commander Cookson and some marines to crew the Shusan, presumably some
type of launch or small tug, who go up a creek off the Euphrates to
explore.
This is the area of the marsh Arabs. (A bellum is a flat bottomed boat used in that area.)
Lt Com Cookson & 3 soldiers wounded. Cookson was sent to the military hospital in Basra the next day.
K
PS
I just learned while searching for something else that Lt Commander
Edgar Cookson of the Clio was killed in a later incident in the same
area and received a posthumous VC.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/8160726
Quite a remarkable tale and probably deserves more than a PS in a Riveting Log entry.
RIP Lt Commander Cookson.
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I would guess so -apparently, things were pretty bad in Russia at that point.
It's just nice to find a specific reason in the logs for why the ship is going to a particular place
or doing something.
Bernie
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The temperature of the cells has dropped to 48 degrees again -
that's only just above water temperature. Maybe the prisoner would be
better off swimming?;)
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Apparently the Patia got a bit lost and had to get help:
Challenged HMS Artois. Requested Bearing & Distance of Butt of Lewis.
They must have told us, because we sighted it about two hours later.;)
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54575/ADM%2053-54575-015_1.jpg
8.40 am: 'Stopped for Burial on Board s/s Stentor' - erm, what? ???
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A number of ships have similar notes in the logs - a funeral party
going off ship to show respect, with no name listed. It has always
been when the death happened aboard a different ship or barraks, whose
crew is known to our crew. The equivalent of showing up to support
a friend who lost someone you don't know well. When the funeral
was for crew on another RN ship, we can find the name on
Naval-History.net. When it's on a foreign ship, or as here on a
commercial steamer, we usually never know.
I take it as a sign of the naval community being bigger than any one organization.
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Apparently we've just granted leave to the Glaswegians only. Odd. :-\
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"Apparently we've just granted leave to the Glaswegians only. Odd."
You do realise that leave to the Glaswegians is of course leave for the rest as well. (with apologies to any Glaswegian OWers)
K
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"Apparently we've just granted leave to the Glaswegians only. Odd."
You do realise that leave to the Glaswegians is of course leave for the rest as well. (with apologies to any Glaswegian OWers)
K
No it isn't. The entry specifically said 'Local men granted leave'.
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Sorry, I was making a silly joke.
If the Glaswegians are ashore the remainder of the crew has a rest from them!!!
K
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Sorry, I was making a silly joke.
If the Glaswegians are ashore the remainder of the crew has a rest from them!!!
K
Oh, right. Sorry, I'm a bit slow this morning. ;)
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No problem, as long as you are not Glaswegian!!!
K
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Luckily for you I'm not. ;D
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Phew, no Glasgow Kiss then!!!
K
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So, would a Glasgow Kiss be a punch in the mouth? ;D
yours -
Kathy W.
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It gets stranger still:
One Seaman returned from agricultural leave.
What's that supposed to mean, some kind of euphemism?
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He was probably a farmer who volunteered or was conscripted into the
Navy (did the Navy use conscription during WWI?) and allowed to go home
to help with the harvest...
yours -
Kathy W.
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Someone's in trouble...;)
Cautioned
Mr Charles S. Jacobson Temp Eng Sub-Lieut RNR for conduct unbecoming an
Officer, in that, on the night of 4th Nov 1917, in company with Mids
Thomas A Onions RNR he introduced clandestinely two females into the
ship.
and
Cautioned
Midshipman Thomas A. Onions. Royal Naval Reserve for disobedience of
orders, an conduct unbecoming an officer, whereas on the night of 4th
Nov. 1917 he returned on board after 11 pm, contrary to orders, and
introduced clandestinely two females into the ship.
For some reason Onions signed but Jacobson's signature is missing.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54576/ADM%2053-54576-005_0.jpg
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So, would a Glasgow Kiss be a punch in the mouth? ;D
A Glasgow kiss is a head butt, usually to the face.
Glaswegians
are often portrayed as violent and drunken. Perhaps many were in WW1
when there was lots of shipbuilding and other heavy industry but it is a
stereotype which I should not promote.
Once again my apologies to any Glaswegians.
K
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Someone's in trouble...;)
Cautioned
Mr Charles S. Jacobson Temp Eng Sub-Lieut RNR for conduct unbecoming an
Officer, in that, on the night of 4th Nov 1917, in company with Mids
Thomas A Onions RNR he introduced clandestinely two females into the
ship.
and
Cautioned
Midshipman Thomas A. Onions. Royal Naval Reserve for disobedience of
orders, an conduct unbecoming an officer, whereas on the night of 4th
Nov. 1917 he returned on boar after 11 pm, contrary to orders, and
introduced clandestinely two females into the ship.
For some reason Onions signed but Jacobson's signature is missing.
Awhile
ago, on Merlin, I had a similar instance in which the miscreant signed
the log, but no officer had, and was advised by cyzaki that the
miscreant is the one who signs to show that the record is a true
recording of what happened.
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Awhile
ago, on Merlin, I had a similar instance in which the miscreant signed
the log, but no officer had, and was advised by cyzaki that the
miscreant is the one who signs to show that the record is a true
recording of what happened.
Yes,
but if you look at the log page, you'll see that they're treated as two
separate cautions and there's a space for Jacobson's signature as well.
So you'd have expected both to sign, no? ???
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Very curious, indeed. :o
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Someone's got a sense of humour - it's the last day of 1914...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58283/ADM%2053-58283-037_1.jpg
Any ideas as to how I log that? ???
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Someone's got a sense of humour - it's the last day of 1914...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58283/ADM%2053-58283-037_1.jpg
Any ideas as to how I log that? ???
Leave the day blank and add 'last' via 'event - other'?
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Someone's got a sense of humour - it's the last day of 1914...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58283/ADM%2053-58283-037_1.jpg
Any ideas as to how I log that? ???
Leave the day blank and add 'last' via 'event - other'?
Hah! You took my hint!
And that was what I was thinking, it's nice to have backup :D
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Not riveting, but interesting nonetheless, because I did wonder about how often those kind of accidents might have occurred.
One page cut out & destroyed owing to spilling of ink in rough weather. - H.C. Bond
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Not riveting, but interesting nonetheless, because I did wonder about how often those kind of accidents might have occurred.
One page cut out & destroyed owing to spilling of ink in rough weather. - H.C. Bond
Merlin
has had several entries along the lines of "Rolling and pitching
heavily," and my mental picture of a storm so great that it makes a
large, weighty ship, "pitch and roll heavily"--well, that would be some storm.
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What a great mixture of the amazing and the mundane...see the 8:00am entry -
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77624/ADM%2053-77624-0032_0.jpg
yours -
Kathy W.
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I'm intrigued that they would dress the ship in honor of an American, and one who rebelled, at that.
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February 22nd is George Washington's birthday and a
national holiday in the US, or it was before they combined it with
Feb.12th Lincoln's birthday to make for one 'President's Day'
holiday. Why the RN is celebrating it in Hong Kong is a mite
puzzling but flattering.
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I know! - it was one of those catch you by surprise moments when I
read the entry - a sharp intake of breath thing (as they are called in
my house ;D ) I just love the Foxglove...
yours -
Kathy W.
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:D Yes, there is always something new in the logs...
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Losing an anchor is a really big deal, it seems :-\
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54577/ADM%2053-54577-007_1.jpg
I wonder whether it was recovered later or whether it's still there.;)
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I wonder whether it was recovered later or whether it's still there.
My guess is "still there" but it would depend on just where they were.
A
sparker survey of Lough Swilly, Co. Donegal, revealed two channels in
the acoustic basement resulting from glacial overdeepening along fault
lines. The first reaches a depth of 170 metres and is attributed to the
Leannan fault.http://www.jstor.org/pss/20518918
240 feet of cable wouldn't make much impression on 170 metres, but it would be running out at quite a rate when it snagged.
What
is it with anchors, all of a sudden? To paraphrase Admiral Beatty
"There seems to be something wrong with our bloody anchors today."
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Not riveting so much as encouraging - I just had 4 or 5 pages from
June, July and August 1915 in the middle of February 1915. The
encouraging part is it showed me that if I just persist, eventually a
log keeper with legible handwriting appears!
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When you're on a ship and going through the same old routines all
the time, it's easy to lose track of what day of the week it is. :P
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54577/ADM%2053-54577-009_0.jpg
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240 feet of cable wouldn't make much impression on 170 metres, but it would be running out at quite a rate when it snagged.
What
is it with anchors, all of a sudden? To paraphrase Admiral Beatty
"There seems to be something wrong with our bloody anchors today."
So did most ships carry a spare?
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-39993/0032_0.jpg
HMS Donegal, in Cromarty, 20th July 1916;-
the entry at 11.10 PM (the last line on the log page) reads
'Ceased coaling owing to reports of Zeppelins'
Hopefully a false alarm.
Regards,
Bernie
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I think it has already been said various times: Too much liquor is not good for Lieutenants.
Must have been a heavy reprimand because it is written in red.
Also a lot of lightnings at 10pm (upper case and twice underlined)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37521/ADM53-37521-0173_0.jpg
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CH
So did most ships carry a spare?
You do ask interesting questions.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1860/jun/29/trotmans-anchors-question
He
was informed that every ship in the navy carried four bower anchors,
and he would suggest that one of those should be a Trotman, and that at
the end of six months all the captains should be asked to send in a
report of the manner in which they worked.
I've no idea what happened during the next six decades.
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You do come up with interesting responses.
How on earth did you find that?
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Not an interesting entry as such, but an ampersand which looks like a fly. ;D
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You do come up with interesting responses.
How on earth did you find that?
Must agree with randi_2. The research skills of OW folks never cease to amaze me.
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You do come up with interesting responses.
How on earth did you find that?
Erm ... It's a thing I thought everyone knew.
Or to put it another way, I haven't got the foggiest.
It was easier than finding an anchor and 240 feet of cable in Lough Swilly.
I
just stumbled upon it whilst looking for anchors through the ages. That
Trotman guy devised an anchor that was so effective it was V. difficult
to haul up, so it was not popular with ships' captains who had to
manoeuvre the ship to dislodge it and sometimes broke the tackle. Hence,
unlike Lt. Rodger's anchor, he didn't get a lot of support from the
Admiralty. Now, the Martin anchor and the Martin - Adelphi version ...
(had enough yet?)
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After the prisoner shivering in his 48-degree cell on the way to
Iceland, the Patia now has a prisoner being slow-roasted as the ship is
approaching the equator. Maybe they reserved this as a punishment for
particularly disobedient midshipmen? :-\
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HMS Cricket, pootling up and down Chinese rivers, recently dressed
ship overall in honour of the birthday of the Emperor of Japan. Today's
festivities (4 Feb 1922) are a little more lively:
"2.30 arrived
HMS Bee (Flag R.A. Yangtse Fleet) & saluted American Admiral with
13 guns. USS Isabel saluted RA Yangtse with 13 guns"
Real Mikado / Madam Butterfly stuff.
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HMS Cricket, take 2 (11 Feb 1922):
8.0 Dressed ship overall in honour of anniversary of coronation of first Japanese Emperor
12.0
HIJMS Saga & USS Isabel fired salutes in honour of anniversary of
coronation of first Emperor of Japan. 6.15 Undressed ship.
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If you are in Hong Kong in April 1922, you will be dressing and undressing for the Prince of Wales -
yours -
Kathy W.
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If you are in Hong Kong in April 1922, you will be dressing and undressing for the Prince of Wales
Can't complain; it's what they pay me for.
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Cricket, again:
"Patt 31 sheets white cotton 1 in no. lost at
the laundry in Hanhow on the 9th inst. Investigation no satisfactory
results obtained owing to ship sailing that day"
Reminds me of a song from a less politically correct era:
http://www.lyrics007.com/George%20Formby%20Lyrics/Chinese%20Laundry%20Blues%20Lyrics.html
You may notice rhyming mismatches "flickers / blouses" and "tricky / waistcoat"; I am completely at a loss to explain these.
I haven't tried listening from this site, I don't recommend it.
It's available at spotify.com as is the sequel "Mr. Wu's a window cleaner now" and the unrelated "When I'm cleaning windows".
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Nice astronomical observation from HMS Lancaster 11th March 1914 at 10pm in Port Royal, Jamaica
moon eclipsed
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Nice astronomical observation from HMS Lancaster 11th March 1914 at 10pm in Port Royal, Jamaica
moon eclipsed
Aw, that's great.
Could you please post a link to this page. I'll post a link over on the MoonZoo forum, they'll love it.
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Hurricane!
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46296/ADM%2053-46296-009_0.jpg)
All sorts of things blown away. Can't imagine being on a ship in force 12 winds! Can't imagine being anywhere in force 12 winds!
Was
in a storm force 12 in the middle of the Atlantic in 1965, we lost
everything moveable on the upper deck including the Captains Cutter.
Very glad to dock in Bermuda a few days later.
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Nice astronomical observation from HMS Lancaster 11th March 1914 at 10pm in Port Royal, Jamaica
moon eclipsed
Aw, that's great.
Could you please post a link to this page. I'll post a link over on the MoonZoo forum, they'll love it.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45999/ADM%2053-45999-094_1.jpg
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Nice astronomical observation from HMS Lancaster 11th March 1914 at 10pm in Port Royal, Jamaica
moon eclipsed
Aw, that's great.
Could you please post a link to this page. I'll post a link over on the MoonZoo forum, they'll love it.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45999/ADM%2053-45999-094_1.jpg
So
the MoonZoo folks like to get historical links to astronomical
observations? All or just some? Maybe we should have a separate thread
to post those, to make it easier to pass them along regularly.
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:o ack Herbert47 - I would still be ill! ;D :o
yours -
Kathy W.
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Re herbert47: At 11 p.m., it looks like even their gmail was carried away!
I found several references to the hurricane.
http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/at191613.asp
I
wonder where the data came from for that diagram? (i.e., determining
what the wind speeds were out in the Atlantic in 1916.) The
Laurentic's report of force 12 seems to indicate that the storm was
still at the higher end of the "tropical storm" level - at least - on
October 12.
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here's the first riveting log entry I've come across on Wonganella - a submarine encounter, several seriously wounded:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68927/ADM%2053-68927-015_1.jpg
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Nice astronomical observation from HMS Lancaster 11th March 1914 at 10pm in Port Royal, Jamaica
moon eclipsed
Aw, that's great.
Could you please post a link to this page. I'll post a link over on the MoonZoo forum, they'll love it.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45999/ADM%2053-45999-094_1.jpg
So
the MoonZoo folks like to get historical links to astronomical
observations? All or just some? Maybe we should have a separate thread
to post those, to make it easier to pass them along regularly.
Not just the MoonZoo people ! :D
I remember when a comet was spotted in one of the OW logs and it got posted over on the GZ forum.
so
I just thought it would be fun to post things like this in the other
fora. Maybe we can even get some new members that way ! ;D
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Ooh, that's a great idea! Sneaky, too! ;D
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Obs. patch of discouloured water in Lat 20S 1/2 N 39 35 1/2 E Long
What on earth is that supposed to mean? :-\ What colour is 'discoloured'? And why did they even bother to record this?
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I've seen that a few times myself off the coast of S. America. I
think they said redish once. I wonder if it was an algal bloom?
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I've seen that a few times myself off the coast of S. America. I think they said redish once. I wonder if it was an algal bloom?
Well, there's a war going on, it seems, so maybe not...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61874/ADM%2053-61874-007_1.jpg
This is rather more action than I'm used to after three years of northern patrol!
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Sorry, I forgot to specify that I'm off ther Pacific coast. There is
not much action here. I will pay more attention next time I get
discolored water.
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Espiegle has just taken on 25 cases bullion - 100,000 rupees - for
carriage to Bombay. I hope not too many others know!
And
they've lost 2 more hand scrubbers - it's a wonder they can still clean
the ship at all, given how regularly they do that. The Persian
Gulf must be littered with them. Perhaps it's a cunning plan to
reduce the number who can be employed on the endless cleaning?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77067/ADM%2053-77067-0146_1.jpg
PHEW
- they made it safely to Bombay and offloaded the bullion on 7th
March. And they managed to lose another 3 hand scrubbers plus a
bosun's call on the way over - a result for the ratings I rather think.
:D
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61878/ADM%2053-61878-015_1.jpg
9.30 am: 'Message from HM The King read to Ships Company by Captain'
I wonder whether it was a Christmas message?:)
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61878/ADM%2053-61878-015_1.jpg
9.30 am: 'Message from HM The King read to Ships Company by Captain'
I wonder whether it was a Christmas message?:)
Seems likely. Television reception would not have been too good.
He may have referred to one of the following:
"December 15 1916
French complete recapture of ground taken by Germans in Verdun battle.
December 18 1916
President
Wilson requests statement of war objectives from warring nations in
peace note. British offended by implication that their war aims are no
more moral than Germany's"
Sadly, no mention of "Up Spirits" but they did get tons of fresh water. (I wonder who asked Santa for that.)
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61878/ADM%2053-61878-015_1.jpg
9.30 am: 'Message from HM The King read to Ships Company by Captain'
I wonder whether it was a Christmas message?:)
A
message from the King, 6.5 hours leave in Port Sudan for half the crew
and fresh water. They certainly knew how to celebrate Christmas on the
Suva
K
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61878/ADM%2053-61878-015_1.jpg
9.30 am: 'Message from HM The King read to Ships Company by Captain'
I wonder whether it was a Christmas message?:)
A
message from the King, 6.5 hours leave in Port Sudan for half the crew
and fresh water. They certainly knew how to celebrate Christmas on the
Suva
K
Yes, I was half expecting somebody to be cautioned for excessively festive spirit...
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HMS Lancaster 4th April 1914 8.10pm
Fire Brigade returned. Fire engine dropped overboard in 7 fms while being hoisted in
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45999/ADM%2053-45999-106_1.jpg
Oops :)
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BIG oops. :o
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Not lost overboard but on Active Service a Zeiss spotting telescope.
The loss was in 1916 but discovered in 1917. Better late than
never ::)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37520/ADM53-37520-0176_1.jpg
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Here's a riveting one - a submarine encounter. See events beginning at 5 pm:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68927/ADM%2053-68927-043_1.jpg
Apparently no casualties from the Elele, if you don't count the ship itself:
ELELE,
6,557grt, defensively armed, 18 June 1917, 300 miles NW ? W from the
Fastnet, torpedoed without warning and sunk by submarine
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61869/ADM%2053-61869-017_0.jpg
Weird entry at 8.45am. It looks as though there's something missing there - carry out what. ???
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HMS Cricket at Shanghai.
Since the 7th August 1923 we've
been flying the Ensign at half mast. Initial search failed to determine
why. On 10th August further information "0800 Colours half-masted USS
ensign hoisted at masthead at the dip." narrowed search parameter.
US
President Warren G. Harding died in San Francisco on 2nd August. His
body was sent by train to the White House, a journey of four days.
People in their "millions lined the tracks in cities and towns across
the country to pay their final respects." There was a state funeral on
the 8th August before his body was laid in a tomb at Marion Cemetery
Ohio on the 10th August.
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http://www.oldweather.org/classify?vessel_id=4caf8b00cadfd3419702ef35
Rather puzzling entry at 3.30 pm: 'Ben my Chree arrived in harbour'. Ben who? ???
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http://www.oldweather.org/classify?vessel_id=4caf8b00cadfd3419702ef35
Rather puzzling entry at 3.30 pm: 'Ben my Chree arrived in harbour'. Ben who? ???
Or Ben Where ???
I see no ships at 3.30pm and Suva is not in port. Are you feeding us a red herring? Have you got an alternative url?
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http://www.oldweather.org/classify?vessel_id=4caf8b00cadfd3419702ef35
Rather puzzling entry at 3.30 pm: 'Ben my Chree arrived in harbour'. Ben who? ???
Or Ben Where ???
I see no ships at 3.30pm and Suva is not in port. Are you feeding us a red herring? Have you got an alternative url?
I have the same problem as Bunts. The line at 3:30pm that I see is blank - and I have probably just joined the crew!
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same problem here.
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I have the same problem as Bunts. The line at 3:30pm that I see is blank
Thanks for confirmation: so it's not just the old "telescope/blind eye" phenomenon.
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As my mother used to say, "I see, said the blind man, as he picked up his hammer and saw."
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As my mother used to say, "I see, said the blind man, as he picked up his hammer and saw."
Yo' Momma ...
That explains quite a lot.
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http://www.oldweather.org/classify?vessel_id=4caf8b00cadfd3419702ef35
Rather puzzling entry at 3.30 pm: 'Ben my Chree arrived in harbour'. Ben who? ???
When I opened it, "Suva" was in Port Sudan, but no ships were mentioned anywhere on the page.
Mutabilitie,
this is why we ask for the JPEG links, even though the new-and-improved
site actually allows us to open the regular links now - the editing
links are simply not stable, we all get different pages on the
computer's assumption that we are just new crew for the Suva.
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http://www.oldweather.org/classify?vessel_id=4caf8b00cadfd3419702ef35
Rather puzzling entry at 3.30 pm: 'Ben my Chree arrived in harbour'. Ben who? ???
When I opened it, "Suva" was in Port Sudan, but no ships were mentioned anywhere on the page.
Mutabilitie,
this is why we ask for the JPEG links, even though the new-and-improved
site actually allows us to open the regular links now - the editing
links are simply not stable, we all get different pages on the
computer's assumption that we are just new crew for the Suva.
Oo-er!
Apologies,
randi; I thought you were just being paranoid. With this new info, I
checked and found that I had been shanghai-ed by Suva. (By coincidence,
"my" HMS Cricket is at Shanghai.) Thank goodness the "unfollow" option
is there. Assuming you didn't submit a page you can jump ship with me.
When I say"with me" I'm not suggesting anything improper, you understand
(other than desertion). I hope that doesn't cause any disappointment.
On the other hand ...
;)
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I'm TERRIBLY(underlined) disappointed ;)
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Bleh. Sorry, I was in a bit of a rush and accidentally posted the
wrong link. :-[ I meant this page:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61870/ADM%2053-61870-009_1.jpg
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'Ben my Chree' sounds a bit like a Gaelic name mispelled - or at
least the 'my' bit doesn't sound Gaelic but the rest does. Any
ships of that name?
Helen J
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The only mispelling is leaving the dashes out, and it is Manx: HMS Ben-my-Chree (Manx: "Lady of My Heart")
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Ben-my-Chree) is a "packet steamer
and a Royal Navy seaplane carrier ... she was the platform for the first
ship-launched airborne torpedo attack on a ship on 12 August 1915."
I did not know that the Isle of Man had its own language - or is that Gaelic? We learn something new every day here.
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Manx is one of the Gaelic languages, I forget whether it is P or Q. I
travelled from Liverpool to the Isle of Man or vice versa on a
'Ben-my-Chree' when I was a young child. It was an 'old' ship around
1950 so whether it was the same one I don't know.
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Thanks everyone - I never expected to come across ship names in Manx. :o
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The Isle of Man Steam Packet Company still operates a vessel with the name "Ben-my Chree", see
http://www.steam-packet.com/SteamPacket/1ColumnTemplate.aspx?NRMODE=Published&NRNODEGUID={329F2B4F-CC09-45A3-A519-AB339A4F1B0E}&NRORIGINALURL=/SteamPacket/About-Us/Our-Vessels.htm&NRCACHEHINT=ModifyGuest#Ben-my-Chree
The company provided a number of vessels for service during both World Wars as shown in Wikipedia
LGB
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Not sure that this is "riveting," but it snagged my interest.
Merlin's log, 23 January 1919
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49091/ADM%2053-49091-014_1.jpg
12.45 pm: Landed dental party.
3.45 pm: Dental party returned.
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A sailor needs his rum.
5.25 Charon arrd. Recd. 3 casks of rum
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37521/ADM53-37521-0108_1.jpg
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Again an item to add to the long list of lost overboard.
This time it is a peace of a sounding gear. I hope I deciphered correctly what it was. ???
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37521/ADM53-37521-0112_1.jpg
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When I was entering events for 12 September 1920 on Yarmouth
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69211/ADM53-69211-104_1.jpg)
my heart sank at seeing the notation "reported 'man overboard' from
aft. I was in suspense the whole time I was entering the details:
8.10 Reported "man overboard" from aft. Co and speed as reqte. Dropped both lifebuoys.
8.16. Slipped starbd sea boat. Working searchlights as reqte.
8.42 Dropped 2nd sea boat.
9.0 Hoisted 1st lifeboat and lifebuoys - hands mustered by open list.
9.20 Correct.
9.30 Hoisted 2nd lifeboat.
9.45 Proceeded co 202 deg 135 Revs. Streamed p. log
I was very glad to be posting here, not on the "buried at sea" topic...
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Again an item to add to the long list of lost overboard.
This time it is a peace of a sounding gear. I hope I deciphered correctly what it was. ???
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37521/ADM53-37521-0112_1.jpg
Looks like 'one Sinker, stray line and tube' to me.
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Thanks, Mutabilitie
I couldn't read the second word. and now it makes more easy to understand.
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A latitude by Canopus
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37521/ADM53-37521-0125_1.jpg
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Ingenious.
A 93 year head-start in setting the pattern for cost cutting within the armed services.
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Not a very happy entry at 11.30.
It is the first time that I have to transcribe something like that.
Poor
boy, whatever he had done I think that corporal punishment is not
justified but it was allowed in the Royal Navy's regulations at that
time.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37521/ADM53-37521-0142_0.jpg
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Captain A.C.Sykes left ship after 4 years in command, but as
Commander Smart took over waiting for Captain Grant Dalton, the log
keeper went a bit lazy with his weather annotations and locations.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37521/ADM53-37521-0163_0.jpg
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Clearly dhows are not the safest ships to be travelling on...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61876/ADM%2053-61876-005_1.jpg
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Clearly dhows are not the safest ships to be travelling on...
I wonder whether the prize money exceeded the replacement cost of the small arms.
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What an odd day on the Foxglove -
the first death that I have seen :(
a court of inquiry (why did the crew of the Albion Star report his death? What happened?)
a formal visit
coaling
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77627/ADM%2053-77627-0004_1.jpg
Kathy W.
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The most riveting thing that's happened on the Rosario for about a
year - one rating got so bored of the tedium of cleaning and painting
and never doing anything else at all, that he's decided to go home.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58292/ADM%2053-58292-016_0.jpg
Ooh! Spoke too soon! We have moved! All the way to the... dry dock... :-\
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58292/ADM%2053-58292-019_0.jpg
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What an odd day on the Foxglove -
the first death that I have seen :(
a court of inquiry (why did the crew of the Albion Star report his death? What happened?)
a formal visit
coaling
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77627/ADM%2053-77627-0004_1.jpg
Kathy W.
Foxglove, fleet sweeping sloop
From the record of Naval Casualties for 1922. Not much help I am afraid.
KNIGHT, John A, Leading Stoker, K 20738, drowned
RIP John Knight
Sorry,
having posted this I realise that you have also posted the information
into the burials at sea, so presumably have already seen the casualty
list.
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That is quite alright - I'm glad we share with each other -
I
can't decide if we are a flock of birds chirping away at each other, or
if we are more like the women in Monty Python (Oh, aye dear, have you
heard... ;D)
Kathy
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It is the first time that I read about a warrant read to the Ship Company.
A recording party left to Pickle and than a prisoner was sent under escort to Thistle.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37522/ADM53-37522-0016_1.jpg
My
curiosity has been roused and I think that as soon the warrants are
made public the admiralty will be flooded with questions about them.
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22nd April 1916 on Patia, on Northern Patrol, found this fascinating entry:
'Vice Admiral Tupper came aboard to present medal and inspect ships company.'
Does
anyone know of any way of finding out who the medal might have been
for, and why? Nothing dramatic has happened on Patia recently, but
I haven't been on board very long.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54557/ADM%2053-54557-014_0.jpg
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The clams attack at midnight :o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58293/ADM%2053-58293-103_1.jpg
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It is the first time that I read about a warrant read to the Ship Company.
A recording party left to Pickle and than a prisoner was sent under escort to Thistle.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37522/ADM53-37522-0016_1.jpg
My
curiosity has been roused and I think that as soon the warrants are
made public the admiralty will be flooded with questions about them.
When might the warrants be released?
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When might the warrants be released?
All naval court records are under a 99 year seal. So these will be open in 2018.
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The clams attack at midnight :o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58293/ADM%2053-58293-103_1.jpg
;D
That should go in the 'Worse things happen at sea' thread, really.
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The clams attack at midnight :o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58293/ADM%2053-58293-103_1.jpg
;D ;D ;D Thanks for a good laugh!
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Sorry I cannot make you laugh but maybe there will be some occasions for a good laugh.
His Majesty's Ship Challenger has been paid off this day first of April 1919
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37528/ADM53-37528-0019_0.jpg
The pages following that last written page are empty.
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Oh, sad. I've been 1st Lieut on Challenger for a while. Once the
site crashed I can't get back because in a weak moment just before the
crash I did a couple of pages on a ship I hadn't been on for months and I
now can't reach Challenger on 'My Old Weather'. If it is still like
this after the hols then I will alert the team but at the moment I am
taking a vacation in Chungking on HMS Teal. She transcribes more quickly
because not much seems to happen but I miss Challenger.
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What happens when you try to board Challenger?
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Oh,
sad. I've been 1st Lieut on Challenger for a while. Once the site
crashed I can't get back because in a weak moment just before the crash I
did a couple of pages on a ship I hadn't been on for months and I now
can't reach Challenger on 'My Old Weather'. If it is still like this
after the hols then I will alert the team but at the moment I am taking a
vacation in Chungking on HMS Teal. She transcribes more quickly because
not much seems to happen but I miss Challenger.
My
access to all my (unfinished) ships from My Old Weather is fine - could
that have been a temporary glitch that is now fixed? If not,
please describe exactly what happens when you try for Challenger, so we
can report it to the team Monday morning.
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Are the team working on Monday? It's another bank holiday, don'tcha know ;D
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No, I didn't know - how do you guys get a 4 day weekend out of a
church holiday? (Clearly lacking separation of church and state
there. ;D )
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Got another one next weekend due to Royal Wedding on the Friday and another bank holiday on the Monday. Love it! ;D
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governmentcitizensandrights/LivingintheUK/DG_073741
And of course we're lacking separation of church and state - the head of state is the head of the church!
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What is amazing is bunching up into twos, instead of spreading them
out a little more. The standard is a 3 day weekend holiday
here. In the US, New Year's Day, Memorial Day (last Monday in
May), July 4th, Labor Day (first Monday in September), Thanksgiving
(last Thursday in November) and Christmas Day are official. It's
the same count as UK, six. But they are more spread out, never in
pairs. There are many companies that also give the Friday after
Thanksgiving off, but that is not governmental.
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It'd be nicer if they were spread out a bit, until you get to April/May, and then it's lovely ;D
To
be fair, they're only bunched up this year because Easter is so late.
Then we've got some people called Wills and Kate who are getting married
on Friday, which adds to the days off.
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On 'my old weather', I get my last active ship as usual, map and
first page of my previous ships list. Below that there used to be a list
of pages which I could use to find the ships on my list. There are
quite a lot because when I first joined, especially if I hadn't got much
time, I just used to transcribe whichever ship came up. I think
Challenger was on p4. Now I just get a small red square/rectangle
towards the RHS of the page. I get the same thing at the bottom of the
'vessels' page but by using the search facility on that page I have
managed to get back to Challenger.
I'm on windows 7 (starter version because I'm using my notebook at the moment), the latest version of IE and Norton.
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Actually we have more than 6 holidays. Just to confuse people even
more Scotland, England and Wales, Northern Ireland actually have some
differences in holidays. Here in Glasgow we get Christmas Day (usually
Boxing Day as well but that isn't official), New Year's Day, 2nd Jan,
Easter Monday ( but not Good Friday), MayDay (1st Mon in May), Queen's
birthday (Mon towards end of May but not always the last), Glasgow Fair
(Fri & Mon in middle of July, not bank holiday), September week-end
(usually last Mon in Sept but not always). Just to really confuse the
incomer, not all these are Bank holidays, Paisley (just outside Glasgow
and nearest town to Glasgow airport) doesn't take Queen's birthday but
has Monday in June, has the Fair holiday 2 weeks later and an autumn day
later than Glasgow's. Edinburgh is different again. After 40 years up
here I can just about keep track but when I first moved up I was thrown
into utter confusion by work being closed while the local shops were
open (and vice versa) and banks being closed when we were at work (and
sometimes vice versa as well). You can see why the bus companies post
notices like Fri 22nd April - normal service, Mon 25th April - Sunday
service, Fri 29th April - Sunday service etc. Banks also tend to post
notices when they are closed as well.
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I totally believe it - I couldn't begin to get into the holidays
that nobody but the government takes off for. We call them Post
Office holidays sometimes, because everything but the Federal Government
Postal Service keeps running. And sometimes, holidays that are
different between state, city and federal get really confusing!
When
I was young, there were post office holidays on Feb. 12 for Lincoln's
birthday and Feb. 22 for Washington's birthday. But everyone
complained about holidays that close keeping them from their mail, so
the Monday in between became Presidents' Day. Except in Illinois
which is Lincoln's home state, they have Feb. 12 Lincoln's birthday and
Presidents' Days. Except in Chicago, which is not Lincoln's home
town, where the parking meters run on a non-holiday schedule even though
the state offices are closed.
Just as one example. ;D
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All I know is I'm not complaining about a 2 week Easter holiday,
followed by 3 days at school, followed by a 4 day weekend ;D
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No sane student complains about that! ;D
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On
'my old weather', I get my last active ship as usual, map and first
page of my previous ships list. Below that there used to be a list of
pages which I could use to find the ships on my list. There are quite a
lot because when I first joined, especially if I hadn't got much time, I
just used to transcribe whichever ship came up. I think Challenger was
on p4. Now I just get a small red square/rectangle towards the RHS of
the page. I get the same thing at the bottom of the 'vessels' page but
by using the search facility on that page I have managed to get back to
Challenger.
I'm on windows 7 (starter version because I'm using my notebook at the moment), the latest version of IE and Norton.
I am having trouble with IE9 and Windows 7. With IE8 I didn't have problems - but of course something may have changed.
You might want to copy this to Technical Support, Interface Issues.
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No sane student complains about that! ;D
Indeed. I'm a teacher though. And I don't think we're a sane bunch, as it goes... ;D
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Yesterday I reported HMS Challenger being paid off. I was than
thrown back in 1914 for a few pages I didn't transcribe. I still don't
know how many are left.
Captain Beaty-Pownell left ship and Captain Fuller took over command.
I don't know if Captain Beaty-Pownell took over the command of H.M.S. Cumberland.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-37518/ADM%2053-37518-046_1.jpg
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From the Foxglove
So it begins:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77628/ADM%2053-77628-0004_0.jpg
And continues...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77628/ADM%2053-77628-0004_1.jpg
Finally over!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77628/ADM%2053-77628-0005_0.jpg
Got to love the British Navy - awesome storm... still had tea every day and still had to clean up the decks! ;D
Kathy W.
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That log has got to be a copy - nobody can be that neat in a
gale!! The log-keeper makes it look so very neat and contained!!
Your logs do have beautiful handwriting. I may join you for a bit, after I finish all the odd pages on Torch. :)
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Interesting but puzzling entry from the Suva's log:
Landed Party of One PO & Six Seamen to await arrival of aeroplane
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61878/ADM%2053-61878-006_1.jpg
What's going on there? ???
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you would be welcome - I do so love that log keeper's writing ;D
I
can't even imagine what that wind must have sounded like below decks
- I bet there were some sailors whose ears were ringing for days
afterward :D
Kathy W.
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Sorry about that. Here is the corrected version.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45999/ADM%2053-45999-160_1.jpg
I wonder what this fellow drank to make him so ill.
It sure must have been potent stuff.
Cheers
Portanucis
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Hi Portanucis -
I get sent to the Amazon hosting page with a message that the jpg can't be found - there is an r added to jpg -I think that needs to be removed - I would love to read the entry ;D
Kathy W.
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Interesting but puzzling entry from the Suva's log:
Landed Party of One PO & Six Seamen to await arrival of aeroplane
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61878/ADM%2053-61878-006_1.jpg
What's going on there? ???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Revolt
This
site indicates that there was a Turkish attack on Yenbo in Dec 1916
that was repulsed by Arab forces with the help of one T. E. Lawrence and
the British Navy. I guess the airplane may have been sent to help with
that defence.
Hope this helps.
K
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Kathy
When you click on the link the link appears in the "http" line complete with r
You now get an error message, click at the end of the line in "http" and delete the r
Voila - simples The Lancashire Meerkat
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45999/ADM%2053-45999-160_1.jpgr
I wonder what this fellow drank to make him so ill.
It sure must have been potent stuff.
Cheers
Portanucis
9 days is some hangover.
As the location is Bermuda my money is on the local rum as opposed to His Majesty's own.
K
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My money would be on Methanol which is likely to be stored on board
for a variety of uses, it is also widely used in illegal alcohol.
As the carpenter found out it produces nasty side effects
lgb
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Thanks LGB -
when I do that though, I get sent to a video on Yahoo Search Direct, beta version :o
I'm beginning to think I'm just not supposed to read that page - ;D
Kathy
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Kathy
Try this one
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45999/ADM%2053-45999-160_1.jpg
I think that we should include
http://meerkat.comparethemarket.com/attention/?SRC=CNTV&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=ppc&gclid=CJST9r75vKgCFcRtfAodvTeaEg
for the benefit of non uk residents
lgb
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Thank you very much - that worked! I do wonder about that ship
- why were the special parties told off during prayers? Is that a
British Navy addition? Where might I find that in the Book of
Common Prayer? ;D
Also, you have to wonder about insurance people - between the ducks, cavemen and meerkats... well, ya just got to wonder -
thanks again -
Kathy W.
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Interesting but puzzling entry from the Suva's log:
Landed Party of One PO & Six Seamen to await arrival of aeroplane
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61878/ADM%2053-61878-006_1.jpg
What's going on there? ???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Revolt
This
site indicates that there was a Turkish attack on Yenbo in Dec 1916
that was repulsed by Arab forces with the help of one T. E. Lawrence and
the British Navy. I guess the airplane may have been sent to help with
that defence.
Hope this helps.
K
Very
interesting link, thank you. The Suva's log for the following day
doesn't reveal much about the plane, unfortunately:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61878/ADM%2053-61878-007_0.jpg
I like the fact that they used the occasion for 'Repell Air Craft' instruction. ;D
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Hi all, brand new to the site here and loving it so far.
Came across a few pretty cool entries tonight for the HMS Curlew - 15th (or so) of March 1921.
While in port at Hong Kong "HE (His Excellency?) governor and HIH (His Imperial Highness?) Crown Prince of Japan came aboard.
It happened again a few days later with a Japanese "Admiral and officers".
Thought that was pretty cool.
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Welcome to the forum and Old Weather!
We do have some interesting ships. :)
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Bit of a problem with starboard engine after a long boring refit.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53215/ADM%2053-53215-013_1.jpg
HMS Odin finally goes out to sea for steaming trials. She goes into Suez Bay and starts to work engines up to full speed then.
"11.20 Stopped stbd engine owing to HP cylinder joint cover blowing out."
Then after a couple of hours presumably looking at it and sucking teeth they turn round and head back to port.
There
then seems to be what may be a case of mistaken identity. While
anchored outside the dock entrance a motor lighter comes alongside with
ammunition intended for HMS Clio, which is a sister ship of Odin.
Here is your ammunition, oops wrong ship!!
Then back into dock. More dull time in Port Ibrahim with Lieut Ditto ahead. Whoopee.
I
like the little final comment. "Total dist = 46 miles." Not v
impressive really especially as half of that was presumably on one
engine.
K
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Partial eclipse of the Sun. New York 8th June 1918
HMS Coronado
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38733/ADM%2053-38733-007_0.jpg
6.32 Partial eclipse of sun commenced 8.16 End of partial eclipse.
K
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Here we go again:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77628/ADM%2053-77628-0017_0.jpg
And it gets worse! :o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77628/ADM%2053-77628-0017_1.jpg
Yikes! They still have to clean the upper decks ;D -
Kathy W.
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On the second day at 8.45am are the hands really 'employed in thin
parts of ship'? It's all I can make it read, but I have a horrible
feeling this might be a mondegreen!
I'm pretty surprised anyone wanted their supper the night before either ...
Helen J
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What an Atlantic Convoy Escort is for.
The log of HMS Coronado from 15 Oct 1918
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38737/ADM%2053-38737-010_1.jpg
I
wont post in the whole transcription, but she is escorting a convoy
when she receives an SOS from SS Messina which is being attacked by a
submarine. She goes to assistance, spots the submarine and opens fire
with forward guns and howitzer.
She clearly doesnt fire in anger very often as the firing breaks her Barometer.
Submarine dives and the rest of the convoy scatters, hopefully to safety in the heavy weather.
K
I
suspect that I may owe an apology to the hard working crew of the
Coronado, who have probably been working on her for months then I come
along and do a few pages to help to finish her off and come up lucky
with the action. Sorry.
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That is a mondegreen - the crew is employed in their parts of ship.
;D
Kathy W.
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Bad day upstream of Basra:
"Vessels captured during action: HM
Gunboat Firefly, HM Armed Launch Sumana, Turkish river steamer Basra,
Turkish river tug Pioneer, Several steel lighters. "
A case of the Turks getting their own back, with interest.
Nope. I got it wrong.
Firefly & Sumana were re-captured. The others were captured.
Following day:
"7.00 proc'd down river
7.15 Made fast alongside Turkish steamer Busra & took off British troops & wounded Indian troops. "
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On
the second day at 8.45am are the hands really 'employed in thin parts
of ship'? It's all I can make it read, but I have a horrible
feeling this might be a mondegreen!
I'm pretty surprised anyone wanted their supper the night before either ...
Helen J
I think it's "their" parts of ship. It must be a bad storm, if they are NOT employed "as requisite"!
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Bad day upstream of Basra:
"Vessels
captured during action: HM Gunboat Firefly, HM Armed Launch Sumana,
Turkish river steamer Basra, Turkish river tug Pioneer, Several steel
lighters. "
A case of the Turks getting their own back, with interest.
Nope. I got it wrong.
Firefly & Sumana were re-captured. The others were captured.
Following day:
"7.00 proc'd down river
7.15 Made fast alongside Turkish steamer Busra & took off British troops & wounded Indian troops. "
Hi Bunts.
This all sounds very familiar. Which ship are you on?
K
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Hi, K,
Which ship are you on?
I'm on a temp'y
commission to HMS Mantis on a leisurely river cruise surrounded by a
swarm of insects. The river level (Tigris) has recently risen and fallen
by about 4 feet and we found a mud bank to settle on; not
intentionally.
B
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Thanks Bunts.
I wish I had realised that Mantis was one of
the gunboats involved in the Mesopotamia campaign. I have transcribed so
much of the preceding battles from Odin, Clio and Espiegle's logs. Also
transcribed loads of time with them sitting at Basra with these
gunboats and their support vessels, hospital ships etc going up and down
as the conflict moved North.
I just dont remember Mantis being among them.
The Cadmus sloops couldnt go further because of their 11 to 12 foot draught.
Arent
the list of "fly" gunboats amazing? I find it even more surprising that
they were all put together and launched in Abadan, south of Basra on
the Shatt al Arab, from kits sent out from England. Some of their
officers and crews came from the Cadmus sloops.
May I join you on Mantis for a stretch?
K
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Following recent deaths in action, the deceased's possessions were sold off:
"6.30
Effects of late PO Saunders & H. Wills armourer's crew sold by
auction. Money collected was: Saunders (GBP)18.13s 0d; Wills (GBP)26.0s
0d. "
I have no idea of a conversion rate to today's value but 18 GBP would certainly be several week's pay.
An
acquaintance recently told me of a similar event which occurred
following the death of a member of his troop in Afghanistan. I don't
know the total raised but it was certainly not a fire sale; a single
bootlace fetched 20 GBP.
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Two officers are in trouble for trying to start a kind of mini-mutiny among the engineers of the Suva:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61879/ADM%2053-61879-005_1.jpg
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An
acquaintance recently told me of a similar event which occurred
following the death of a member of his troop in Afghanistan. I don't
know the total raised but it was certainly not a fire sale; a single
bootlace fetched 20 GBP.
I'm
glad to know that the tradition has been continued. To know that he was
valued by his teammates must be a comfort to his family.
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Two officers are in trouble for trying to start a kind of mini-mutiny among the engineers of the Suva:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61879/ADM%2053-61879-005_1.jpg
Yes, quite riveting indeed!
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Oh dear, Lieutenant Barnes reprimanded twice in one day!
Reprimanded
Lieutenant George Edwin Olaf Barnes R.N. for slackness in performing
his duty, in relieving the deck, as officer of the middle watch twenty
minutes late
and
Reprimanded Lieutenant George
Edwin Olaf Barnes for acting to the prejudice of [?] order and naval
discipline, in striking a subordinate officer, and saying to him "Don't
tell me lies".
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45728/ADM%2053-45728-017_0.jpg
Can
anyone help with the missing word. It looks like gord (the initial
letter looks the same as the g in George to me) but that doesn't make
sense. Not doubt it will be something blindingly obvious ;D
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Good Order and naval discipline -
Kathy W.
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Good Order and naval discipline -
Kathy W.
Thanks Kathy.
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Cyzaki,
In the US Merchant Marine there is an "Official Log",
separate from the deck log, of legal records required to be kept by the
US Coast Guard and other agencies. Reprimanding a crew member for an
offence like falling asleep on watch would be one of these entries, and
he would be required to sign the entry to show that he was aware of the
entry being made and any punishment. This is probably the model being
followed here.
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I suspect, though, that in some cases, one of the reasons for noting
those things down in the main log must have been to embarrass the
people concerned, like in the case of the Glaswegian ladies of the night
who were 'clandestinely' brought on board the Patia by two junior
officers.;) The engineers' mini-mutiny which I posted about earlier
might fall into that category as well. I meant to post a transcription
as well, but I seem to have forgotten, so here it is:
Had
occasion to find fault with Engr. Lieut. Commdr. Rowe RNR for entering
the Engineer Commanders Cabin at 2.0 am on morning of Jan. 4th, behaving
in an improper manner and using abusive language towards him. Also for
neglect of duty in allowing junior engineer officers to collect at an
improper time and place in order to express discontent with an order
issued by the Engineer Commander. [Signed: William H. D. Boyle Captain]
Read by me O.R. Rowe.
and
Had occasion to find fault with
Engr. Sub. Lt. H.C. Taylor (Tempy) RNR for having taken a leading part
at an improper assembly of Engineers Officers wishing to express
discontent with an order issued by the Engineer Commander. [Signed:
William H.D. Boyle Captain] Read by me. H.C. Taylor
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61879/ADM%2053-61879-005_1.jpg
At
first sight I thought one of the officers at fault was my navigating
officer, because he's called Taylor as well, but it wasn't him after
all.
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The Admiralty site (http://www.nmm.ac.uk/collections/archive/catalogue/record.cfm?ID=ADM%2FL) lists 2 kinds of logs from each ship.
?ADM51: Admiralty: Captains' Logs, 1669-1853
?ADM53: Admiralty: and Ministry of Defence, Navy Department: Ships' Logs 1799-1985
We
are transcribing the Ships' Logs (aka Lieutenants' logs) simply because
those are the ones with all the weather data. I don't doubt that
all the really interested discipline incidents, and other fascinating
writings, are in the Captain's logs.
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Wierd entry from HMS Odin, somewhere in the Red Sea in April 1918.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53218/ADM%2053-53218-013_0.jpg
The
Kamaran Launch brings a dhow alongside for unloading, then Odin
proceeds, opens fire on the/a dhow with both 3 pdr guns then rams it.
It isn't clear whether it is the one that they unloaded that gets the treatment, but I assume not as there is a two hour gap.
No
indication of what happened to the dhow's crew, why there was a problem
with this particular dhow, no indication of a challenge or warning
shot, just fired at it then rammed it.
K
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It isn't clear whether it is the one that they unloaded that gets
the treatment, but I assume not as there is a two hour gap.
My guess is that it's the same one. 1 hour 40 minutes to unload it, close up (!) the guns' crews, move away; seems about right.
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I guess we will never know for sure.
If it was the one they bought alongside and unloaded it is more likely that there was no crew which would be a good thing.
Either
way, assuming they sunk it, it is the third dhow one of my ships has
sunk in over 3000 pages predominantly of Cadmus class sloops. They just
leave devastation in their wake wherever they go!!!
K
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After chocolate and sugar here comes Beef, quite a recipe. ;D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36152/ADM%2053-36152-004_0.jpg
At 3.15 Discharged one Rating T.S.
This T.S. could mean To Shore.
And the next day:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36152/ADM%2053-36152-004_1.jpg
I hope that the harbour was not too polluted. :-\
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YECH!!! :P
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You could not have said it better. ;)
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Suffolk lost the race :(
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-077_0.jpg
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Cheer up you'll win next time ;)
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Suffolk lost the race :(
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-077_0.jpg
Huh.
I'm the captain of that ship and I missed that :-[ (I went back and
fixed it). Here's an entry over a year later about a hurricane!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61607/ADM%2053-61607-005_0.jpg
I looked it up, it was roughly a category 3 when it hit Bermuda.
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From the log of "Cadmus" at Wei hai Wei, 11 November, 1919
11.0 Fired time gun, 11.02 Fired time gun in commemoration of Armistice Day
lgb
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67574/ADM%2053-67574-023_1.jpg
From the logs of the Vindictive, a heroic rescue by Lt Sayle. (Yes, of course it's the bit with the teeny tiny writing! But it is pretty clear once you apply sufficient magnification.)
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Sometimes after being on sea for nearly two months, you get a reward:
Two pleasant mornings in Rio Janeiro :D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36156/ADM%2053-36156-015_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36156/ADM%2053-36156-015_1.jpg
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67574/ADM%2053-67574-023_1.jpg
From the logs of the Vindictive, a heroic rescue by Lt Sayle. (Yes, of course it's the bit with the teeny tiny writing! But it is pretty clear once you apply sufficient magnification.)
Three cheers for Lt Sayle ! :D
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Sometimes after being on sea for nearly two months, you get a reward:
Two pleasant mornings in Rio Janeiro :D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36156/ADM%2053-36156-015_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36156/ADM%2053-36156-015_1.jpg
Agree
with ElisabethB--I have a wonderful image of Lt Sayle doing a perfect
dive off the side of the ship, rescuing the hapless G Neal! :o Bravo,
Lt. Sayle!
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Hard to believe, but true.
Original posting and two replies and not one comment about the Good Lt.'s surname. :-\
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We were waiting for you Bunts ! ;D
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We were waiting for you Bunts ! ;D
Ah. You subscribe to the "Age before Beauty" principle.
Thank you, Young Lady.
:-*
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47715/ADM%2053-47715-014_0.jpg
The comet over Brazil again (HMS Macedonia, first AM entry): "0.30 Observed high light probably on shore bearing N50.5W (True)"
Then around 6:30pm: "Observed a flare light bearing N2W (True)"
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What pretty handwriting your logkeeper has!
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Macedonia is blessed with almost all logkeepers (so far) having good handwriting.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-72182/ADM%2053-72182-144_0.jpg
"Divers
endeavouring to recover opium." This entry is on two consecutive pages
with no other reference. We don't know where it came from or if they did
recover it.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47717/ADM%2053-47717-003_1.jpg
Rough day at sea:
"10.40 Seaman McKenzie placed under close arrest.
...
3.0 Shipwright Thompson placed under open arrest."
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47718/ADM%2053-47718-004_0.jpg
Feb 2 1917, HMS Macedonia. Worst day of storms I've seen. First I've seen weather described as "fierce squalls."
Next day things slowed down:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47718/ADM%2053-47718-004_1.jpg
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Using a free railway pass when not entitled to it is evidently a bad thing:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33656/ADM53-33656-006_0.jpg
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If it took them until the 6th Oct. to find the crime he committed on
July25th, he must have truly believed he got away with it! I
wonder which accountant or auditor was so obsessive-compulsive about
picking nits to trace a two-and-a-half month old train ride to a young
acting sub-lieutenant?
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Well, we've got a prisoner at large now!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33656/ADM53-33656-010_0.jpg
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A tale of two or three dhows.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61876/ADM%2053-61876-005_1.jpg
I
wont transcribe it all but Suva tries to tow two dhows and one sinks,
losing some weapons in the process. Crew are picked up by another dhow
which has a prize crew aboard. Suva then takes that one (or another one)
in tow and that nearly sinks and breaks adrift. Then they lose it in
the dark and then find it again.
Exeunt stage S30E 30 revs with dhow in tow.
Act 2 The following day
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61876/ADM%2053-61876-006_0.jpg
The dhow submerges again so they cast it adrift!!
Dhow exeunts downwards.
Another literary masterpiece from Suva's log keeper.
Enjoy
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Short tornado and torrential rain:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34354/ADM53-34354-191_1.jpg
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I would have just parked it and gone to the movies (or a bar ;) ):
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77629/ADM%2053-77629-0102_0.jpg
Kathy W.
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I would have just parked it and gone to the movies (or a bar ;) ):
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77629/ADM%2053-77629-0102_0.jpg
Kathy W.
Miss, Miss! Please Miss!
It's that Mantis' fault. She's been dropping litter:
"Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
? Reply #219 on: Today at 09:46:45 PM ?
* Quote
Two halves of a curious little note from HMS Mantis. 1917 in the Tigris near Baghdad
She
has recently been aground so I guess this is the report of the loss of a
cable that parted during the recovery, but that isnt recorded in the
logs I have transcribed.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48256/ADM%2053-48256-050_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48256/ADM%2053-48256-050_1.jpg
K
? Last Edit: Today at 09:50:51 PM by Tegwen ? "
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I dearly wish folks would clean up after themselves!
;D
Kathy W.
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WHAT???
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I feel some research coming on:
???
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77629/ADM%2053-77629-0148_1.jpg
Kathy W.
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I see you got one o' them thar new fangled 24 hour clocks.
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Suffolk lost the race :(
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-077_0.jpg
Huh.
I'm the captain of that ship and I missed that :-[ (I went back and
fixed it). Here's an entry over a year later about a hurricane!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61607/ADM%2053-61607-005_0.jpg
I looked it up, it was roughly a category 3 when it hit Bermuda.
Hi
looking
at that page again, I wonder if the observations, at 1.40 & 9am,
about a floating dock coming adrift actually refers to the floating dry dock the Navy had stationed in Bermuda.It was a massive structure
and
the last thing you would want shooting around in a storm.If it was,
they must have got it back under control as several of the OW
ships use it later in the war.
Just a thought.
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Md8DAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA592&lpg=PA592&dq=floating
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HMS Ribble, Gallipoli, May 1915
"5.50 Secured alongside Hindukush.
Drew spars for kite.
Submarine
E14 arrived from the sea of Marmara & was loudly cheered by all
ships. Capt. has been awarded V.C. & the crew D.C.M.s.
6.10 Shoved off from Hindukush.
6.15 Half masted colours. Amethyst left harbour with burial party."
It's all there, isn't it; from the mundane to ...
http://www.gosportsubmariners.com/VCs.htm
"The
next submariner to be awarded the VC was Lieutenant-Commander Edward
Boyle who took the submarine E14 through the Dardanelles in April 1915
and into the Sea of Marmara where he joined the Australian submarine AE2
commanded by Irish born Lieutenant-Commander Hew Stoker to attack the
Turkish Navy ships based in the area. Unfortunately the AE2 was damaged
by a Turkish torpedo boat soon after and the crew of British and
Australians was forced to surrender to the Turks. Boyle, however,
remained in the Sea of Marmara for two weeks sinking three ships and
causing panic among the enemy naval forces there."
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HMS Ribble, Gallipoli, May 1915
"7.30 periscope sighted off C. Helles
8.50 Harpy reported sighting periscope coming N.
10.15 Vengeance reported sighted submarine. Action stations.
11.0 proc'd for Gaba Tepe
0.5 Canopus flying Sub. signal
0.30 Rec'd orders to close Triumph, proc'd full speed
0.26 Triumph sank
0.50 Stopped & assisted search for survivors
1.45 proc'd with Grampus on search for submarine
2.45
Obs'd shots falling near tug Kesaonos - closed her at full speed. She
reported she had seen submarine & was firing at it with rifles. Went
full speed over spot indicated. No submarine seen. "
(0.30 & 0.26 as in the log)
"Three officers and 75 ratings died in the sinking of Triumph"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Triumph_(1903)
The
submarine was U21 responsible for sinking 40 allied ships. It's skipper
was Otto Hersing; after the war he went into potato farming.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SM_U-21_(Germany)
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Two days later 27th May 1915:
"HMS Majestic struck by torpedo from hostile submarine off C. Helles and sank "
U21 again.
49
of the crew were lost. Her upturned hull, supported by the foremast,
remained visible above the sea until 17th November 1915, when a storm
caused it to collapse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Majestic_(1895)
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-40808/0055_1.jpg
HMS The Empress of Britain, moored at Sierra Leone on the 26th November, 1914
records, at 7pm,
'Light tornado passed over ship'
with wind & weather readings for 7pm entered as 'SSE 7 BCL.'
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HMS Ribble, Malta, 30 June 1915.
Having left the hazards at Gallipoli for relative safety:
"10.15 Explosion occurred in Torpedo Lecture Room. Sent Fire party to scene of disaster"
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Boy, there is some irony there -
Kathy W.
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Really ! ;) ;D ;D
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Good news! The British have forgiven us for the Revolution! HMS
Cairo dresses ship in honour of George Washington's birthday.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-72182/ADM%2053-72182-078_1.jpg
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Avoca observes a total eclipse of the moon, December 28, 1917, off Peru. 8) 8) 8)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34562/ADM%2053-34562-017_0.jpg
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47722/ADM%2053-47722-013_0.jpg
Macedonia, 20 June 1917
The most interesting thing to happen in a year or more, and it happens while they're in dry dock.
"10.30 PO Allington + crew of pinnace returned + reported pinnace sunk by tug Ligaro."
Left side of the page
"The following paymasters stores were lost by sinking of the steam pinnace:
4 complete something suits (combination)
8 South Westers 1 something jacket
1 PR something trousers
The following naval stores were lost by the sinking of the steam pinnace:
Boat's compass Juliano Patt no 191
Ensign White 4 breadth
Brato Pendant 4 yds
1 Globe L~~
Rigging chain used for anchor
chain 17 fathoms 5/16"
The "something" might be "Orlokin."
Any
info on what some of the other items are? "Ensign White 4
breadth," "Brato Pendant 4 yds," and "1 Globe L~~", specifically.
Travis
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4 complete something Oilskins suits (combination)
8 South Westers 1 something Oilskin jacket
1 PR something Oilskin trousers
...
1 Globe Lamp
The
"Ensign White 4 breadth" is the white ensign flown by all RN ships,
labeling themselves as British, and the 4 breadth is its size - Bunting Tosser explained this (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1454.msg17130#msg17130) to us a while back.
Pendants
were also discussed and defined awhile back. (I love our search
function when I remember things, but not when and where I saw them! :)
) Dorbel defined this (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1100.msg10419#msg10419) for us and why they would give the length of it.
I could find absolutely no reference to "Brato", although my googling turned up a very interesting reference link to signal flags and what they mean (http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeohzt4/Seaflags/signals/Signals.html). Maybe one of OW's naval experts can carry it further.
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"Oilskin" indeed. Thanks for all the info!
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Challenger has just been involved with sundry other ships in the
surrender of Dar es Salaam - a morning full of incident. Then in
the afternoon - Sent to HMS Trent for beach party. What on earth
were they up to?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37520/ADM53-37520-0094_0.jpg
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Hi Helenj
It is nice to know that you are on board of Challenger.
I remember the surrender of Dar es Salaam but not that "beach party".
Sorry
for not having a clue, only a guess witch is that they were up to
search the beaches for any artifacts or hidden enemies. :-\
Something different: On board HMS Bristol a Children's Party was held :D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36163/ADM%2053-36163-016_0.jpg
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Glad you are enjoying Challenger. I can remember a couple of fishing
parties as well as the occasional football party. I too found
some of the logs incongruous - lots of action in the morning then
something banal like 'aired bedding' in the afternoon. I think routine
was everything in the Navy and only something really serious, like a
spot of bombarding shore positions, was allowed to interrupt.
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Getting a few days on in the logs it seems the beach party might
have been more to do with searching or guarding the beach than enjoying
it - a shame for the hard working sailors!
I'm sure the
routines are very important - and personally I would still want to air
my bedding even if I had been involved in a battle in the morning.
;D
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HMS Lancaster 17th September 1914, off New York
2am entry:-
A comet visible bearing NE
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46000/ADM%2053-46000-011_0.jpg
I can't be sure but this looks like a likely candidate:-
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/t2png?bg=%23FFFFFF&/seri/PA.../0022/600/0000500.000&db_key=AST&bits=4&res=100&filetype=.gif
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HMS Lancaster 18th September 1914 off New York
Stopped and boarded S.S. Commewijne and removed 27 Germans as prisoners of war
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46000/ADM%2053-46000-011_1.jpg
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HMS Ribble, Mudros Dec. 1915, during the Gallipoli campaign.
"4.30 Discharged 2 Sto. Ratings to Blenheim for confirmation"
To paraphrase an old saying "There are no atheists in an engine room"?
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12 August, 1914 - Cadmus is somewhere NE of Hong Kong and is accosted:
"C.M.S. "Hsin Chang" closed and asked for information re Hong Kong"
Possibly "Know any good fish and chip shops?"
lgb
or "Do you know where Eccles does the dance of the seven army surplus blankets?"
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46003/ADM%2053-46003-007_1.jpg
The loss of these 4 paint brushes (!) must have been a real point of concern for the captain of the Lancaster.
Portanucis
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I'd suspect sabotage ;)
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Even aboard ship everybody's an art critic.
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Even aboard ship everybody's an art critic.
No just another white-wash job
lgb
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yet another thread that proves my theory about the true purpose of this project!
:P
Kathy W.
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Food has been lost but something was missing: Dishes.
Here they come ;D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36164/ADM%2053-36164-051_0.jpg
Well, I agree there is only one but it is a beginning for a whole set.
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HMS Ribble (June 1917)
The voyage got off to delayed start when
we clattered a steam barge in port. Since then we've had a warehouseful
of equipment lost/washed overboard, failures in engineering equipment
and coaling machinery; but here's a chance to shine.
"2.0(pm) Rec'd SOS signal from Japanese destroyer Sakaki in Lat 36 10N Long 23 51E proceeded at once to her assistance.
3.0 arrived found Sakaki torpedoed & Maku screening her. Sent boats to Sakaki for wounded. Passed towing wire
3.10 Sakaki in tow stern first
3.25 French destroyer arrived Got wounded aboard & hoisted boats. Set co SSE for Suda Bay
3.35 Jed joined escort
4.0 Partridge II joined escort
4.35 Jed proc'd to escort Osmanieh
6.15 Partridge II proc'd to Suda to report arrival
6.30 Gazelle joined escort
7.15 Increased to 150 revs
8.5 Towing wire parted
8.30 Secured Sakaki's wires, proceeded
11.23
passed boom. Bow shut grating, 1 15ft oar, 3 crutches lost from whaler.
1 brass crutch lost from berthon boat when nearly swamped by wash of
H.I.J.M.S. Mat~~
0.20(am) Anchored
0.40 Tug John Payne went alongside Sakaki & towed her to Dalhousie
1.0 Hospital boat came alongside for wounded
1.35 Pipe down"
Not Tracey Island & International Rescue standard, but impressive until spoiled by a dozy allied vessel. >:(
"Did anyone get the number of that truck?"
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HMS Ribble 24th June 1917 about 100 miles off Mudros.
9.30 Cestrian torpedoed in starboard side of boiler room.
9.38 went alongside starboard side of Cestrian Took 750 troops aboard
9.40, 9.52, 9.57 fired at objects believed to be submarine
10. Let go from Cestrian course & speed for signalling Racoon. Sent dinghy to pick up survivors
10.25 ceased fire set co. N60W 20 knots 10.40 a/c N4W 22 kts
2.40 Sent troops ashore in motor lighters
3.25 sent 1 wounded officer & 1 man to Rewa Sent 9 officers & 10 men of Cestrian to N.T.O.
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http://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?145498
10/08/2010
On
June 24th, 1917, the British troopship Cestrian, on a voyage from
Salonica to Alexandria with 800 troops and horses, was sunk by the
German submarine UB-42 (Kurt Schwarz), 4 miles SE of Skyros Island,
Aegean Sea. 3 crew members were killed. Splendid discipline among the
embarked troops was the sole reason that none were lost.
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I resisted the temptation to put this encouraging footnote in the transcription.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74434/ADM%2053-74434-0020_0.jpg
Noon: Columbo fired 21 ~ in honour of declaration of American Independence.
Not sure what major event they are referring to, though...
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74434/ADM%2053-74434-0020_0.jpg
Noon: Columbo fired 21 ~ in honour of declaration of American Independence.
Not sure what major event they are referring to, though...
That is, of course "21 gun salute".
Noisy day. In the forenoon HMS Colombo fired 15 gun salute for a Japanese ship. Oops 14 GS before that and another 15 later.
The shape of things to come.
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2/45 Sighted object in water.
Stand by for next thrilling installment ::)
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3/12 Object a dead whale resumed course.
3/40 Sighted another dead whale.
HMS Avoca 9 June 1917
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:o ;D
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HMS Orama 19 October 1917 - Sunk
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53484/ADM%2053-53484-011_1.jpg
Interestingly the previous day (Oct 18) the crew had practiced "Abandon Ship" stations.
John Dulak
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HMS Orama 19 October 1917 - Sunk
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53484/ADM%2053-53484-011_1.jpg
Interestingly the previous day (Oct 18) the crew had practiced "Abandon Ship" stations.
John Dulak
Almost creepy. I wonder how often they practiced the drill.
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HMS Orama 19 October 1917 - Sunk
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53484/ADM%2053-53484-011_1.jpg
Interestingly the previous day (Oct 18) the crew had practiced "Abandon Ship" stations.
John Dulak
Almost creepy. I wonder how often they practiced the drill.
"Practice makes perfect".
There
is no mention of casualties, and the time taken for her to sink
obviously allowed for a fairly orderly departure e.g. taking the log
book(s). On the face of it, the captain was the last to leave.
It's a combination of bad luck, I suppose with destroyers being detached for other duties.
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HMS Ribble. Mediterranean 1917
The skipper has just returned from 3 weeks leave in Blighty, and what happens?
(No, his name is not Jonah.)
"The following gear lost overboard on 18th, 19th & 20th Nov. owing to heavy weather:
B11. drums steel, 25 gals - 5;
K Drum broeburn oil 25 gals-1;
B10.2 cans tin oil 1 gal-1;
B8 Hoses wash deck canvas 40ft- 2;
B9.78E Hook brass, boat, gun metal large- 1;
Ward Room meat safe,
stern light,
1 leg of after torpedo tray,
2 canvas covers for ammunition boxes,
2 ward room ventilator covers.
The following gear damaged by heavy seas on 18th, 19th, & 20th Nov:
Port after stokehold ventilator cowl,
shell rack & lumber rack port side.
Screens round chart house & round foremost gun platform carried away & stanchions of latter damaged.
Berthon boat;
cover for berthon boat & for port & starboard bins & shell racks.
Cover for sweep wire drum. Canvas screens for port & starboard sponsons
Sounding machine carried away.
Leads
for night sights & loading lights of all guns, leads for bridge
searchlight & chartroom lights, all engine room & stokeholds'
leads.
Damage sustained in No. 6 Mess: 6 sections of lockers, 2 tables, 2 benches broken, one jar sulphuric acid broken.
Bolts
torn from deck on starbd side rendering Provision room leaky thereby
damaging the following stores - tea 5lbs, Peas 60lbs, split peas 10lbs,
flour 110lbs, cocoa 15lbs "
Sulphuric acid in the Mess ??? Didn't they have vinegar for their chips (French fries)?
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Sounding machine carried away.
That's the third one lost?
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Sounding machine carried away.
That's the third one lost?
Correct; in about 7 months.
Good Grief, someone actually reads this stuff.
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That's alright, when I was on survey ship Endeavour, we lost 3 anchors in less than 2 weeks. Each reported as "lost overboard" - which really baffled me at first, I thought they were supposed to throw the things overboard! ;D
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47738/ADM%2053-47738-011_1.jpg
Macedonia, 17th September 1918
6:45am:
"Sighted derelict life boat a/c to examine her. 7.00 Lowered pt
cutter. 7.15 1st Cutter returned with lifeboat, salv'ed
gear. 7.45 Commenced firing on boat."
The list of rounds fired seems excessive for a measly life boat:
"17 rounds BL 6" full charge
16 rounds QF 6" full charge
4 bomb shell from 11" howitzer
10 steel shell from 6 pr QF"
Then later on the same day:
"2.48
Sighted suspicious object; presumed to be submarine's periscope.
A/c with port helm towards it. Dropped port depth charge type
"D"."
Then that's it.
I wonder if the derelict life boat
was some sort of a trick by the (presumed) submarine to lure ships
in. The 7 hours between sighting the life boat and sighting the
(presumed) sub might argue against that, but who knows..
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47738/ADM%2053-47738-011_1.jpg
Macedonia, 17th September 1918
6:45am:
"Sighted derelict life boat a/c to examine her. 7.00 Lowered pt
cutter. 7.15 1st Cutter returned with lifeboat, salv'ed
gear. 7.45 Commenced firing on boat."
The list of rounds fired seems excessive for a measly life boat:
"17 rounds BL 6" full charge
16 rounds QF 6" full charge
4 bomb shell from 11" howitzer
10 steel shell from 6 pr QF"
Then later on the same day:
"2.48
Sighted suspicious object; presumed to be submarine's periscope.
A/c with port helm towards it. Dropped port depth charge type
"D"."
Then that's it.
I wonder if the derelict life boat
was some sort of a trick by the (presumed) submarine to lure ships
in. The 7 hours between sighting the life boat and sighting the
(presumed) sub might argue against that, but who knows..
Maybe they were lousy shots ;D
I would think that at least after - 4 bomb shell from 11" howitzer - there would no longer be a target!
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47 rounds to sink a life boat. I don't know what counted as
good accuracy for WWI ships, but 47 shots to destroy a mostly stationary
target doesn't sound very good.
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47
rounds to sink a life boat. I don't know what counted as good
accuracy for WWI ships, but 47 shots to destroy a mostly stationary
target doesn't sound very good.
Don't forget it was a lifeboat. I've read/heard/seen film of sailors taking hammers and saws to dispose of them.
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You'd think a lifeboat could be scuttled without wasting all that ammo. Or taken aboard and dismantled.
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You'd think a lifeboat could be scuttled without wasting all that ammo. Or taken aboard and dismantled.
Well
... the idea is that they are buoyant even when full of water. They're
perhaps not "heavy" enough to explode a shell - it could punch straight
through. So, until all the buoyancy compartments are punctured &
flooded it will still float, after a fashion. I believe this would have
been known to the skipper and he was using it for target practice, hence
the assortment of munitions.
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The best way to sink a lifeboat with 47 shells would be to row over and put them all in it!!!!
K
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HMS Odin saves two lost airmen.
She is in the Red Sea in
1920 and has spent two days up and down the coast searching for a lost
aircraft from the first aircraft carrier HMS Ark Royal.
Then this page. http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53229/ADM%2053-53229-080_0.jpg
She spots "Verys Lights" and sends a boat to pick up the two RAE Lieutenants.
K
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HMS Ribble 3rd June 1918 Gibraltar to Malta
"8.06 SS Glaucus port leading wing ship torpedoed
Zigzagged ahead wing to wing of convoy.
Wallflower & Usk stood by Glaucus
9.50 Glaucus sank"
Next day:
"2.0 Half masted colours.
Chief Engineer of Glaucus buried from Wallflower.
2.30 Re-hoisted colours"
Location not given
(according to http://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?37132 - 20 miles west of Granitola )
Next day, at Malta:
"6.23 am Embarked 29 Europeans & 111 Chinese from Wallflower, survivors of SS Glaucus
11.0 Landed survivors & sent 2 wounded to Egmont "
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HMS Ribble, 28th July 1918
"7.10 (pm) proc'd (from Syracuse)
7.17 waited for convoy
7.30 proc'd convoy 5 ships
8.50
SS Vesuvio torpedoed port side Sighted second torpedo passed between
Ribble & Vesuvio. Sighted periscope on port bow. Attacked submarine
at full speed. Dropped 4 depth charges & calcium light. Convoy
returned to Syracuse. Usk dropped 2 depth charges in vicinity of calcium
light and took off all survivors. Ribble & Usk patrolled danger
area.
10.45 Made fast 1 wire to rudder post of Vesuvio.
Wire parted at 11.5.
11.15
Sent Usk to intercept & divert a convoy to the SE'ard. Ribble
screened Italian tugs which were taking Vesuvio in tow. "
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I did not know that the Royal Navy was in Mexico during the Revolution and helping to evacuate refugees.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69477/ADM53-69477-016_1.jpg
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The RN patroled the American coasts for most of the 10 years our
logs come from. They used Halifax, Canada, as their fueling base
for the northern 2/3s of the States, and Bermuda for the US southern
coasts and the Carribean.
I started OW on Caronia,
patrolling outside New York harbor in 1915 for ships wanting to ship
supplies to Germany. The rules seemed to be that they would stay
far enough from our coast to be in international waters, and they never
touched any US ship. The only time they boarded an American
freighter, there was a longer than usual log note stating that the ship
had been flying a foreign flag and they let it go as soon as they
learned its nationality.
Avoca had a forum post, being
involved somehow with with a Mexican river gunboat in 1916 related to
their ongoing revolutionary war.
Lancaster was in another post,
picking up Mexican refugees in 1914. (The Mexican Revolution
started in 1910 and went on seemingly forever, something like 10 years.)
The
US may certainly have been a British ally, but that doesn't mean they
didn't keep an eye on us the whole time. Makes me wonder what they
are doing just outside our borders right now. ;D
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Makes me wonder what they are doing just outside our borders right now.
"they" and "our" could be confusing to recent joiners. Not that it matters as the sentiment is pretty much universal. ;D
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OW gets confusing to us Americans here - Caronia was definitely "my"
ship patroling outside "my" borders, patroling in way that I found to
be a bit distrustful. No doubt at all, as crew I was indeed on my
ship - which was a foreign vessal. :-\
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Okaaaaaaaay...
That's much as I thought you meant
Thanks for the clarification and confirmation of my expectation.
???
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Are you two talking in code, or did I just have a stroke?
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I suppose that, in grammatical terms, we were employing the
"continuous alternative possessive" voice. (I doubt that you'll find it
in "Fowler's Modern English Usage".)
You'll be relieved to know that I've chucked in the towel.
Cancel the ambulance.
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Patuca, in Glasgow on 24th June 1915, at 2pm:
Geutile (not sure this is right) (Stoker) broke out of ship in plain clothes; warrant issued for his arrest.
Sounds a rather dramatic way to get out on the town ...
And (to get two for the price of one) can anyone interpret the name?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54673/ADM%2053-54673-015_0.jpg
By
a bizarre coincidence, I've just been doing again some of these days,
having got them again, in different handwriting. And have
discovered that this stoker had only signed on the day before!
Obviously thought better of it.
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Patuca, in Glasgow on 24th June 1915, at 2pm:
Geutile (not sure this is right) (Stoker) broke out of ship in plain clothes; warrant issued for his arrest.
Sounds a rather dramatic way to get out on the town ...
And (to get two for the price of one) can anyone interpret the name?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54673/ADM%2053-54673-015_0.jpg
His name is Gentile. He must have Italian ancestors.
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have ya'll seen A Christmas Story? I am reminded of
the major award (it said Fragile on its packing create) and the father
was sure it was from Italy. ;D ;D ;D
I love that movie!
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Thank you - I thought it looked like that but couldn't believe it
was actually a name. I hadn't thought of it being Italian.
I'll go back and change it.
PS He hasn't been found and we've now left Glasgow, so perhaps he's got away.
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The
RN patroled the American coasts for most of the 10 years our logs come
from. They used Halifax, Canada, as their fueling base for the
northern 2/3s of the States, and Bermuda for the US southern coasts and
the Carribean.
I started OW on Caronia, patrolling outside
New York harbor in 1915 for ships wanting to ship supplies to
Germany. The rules seemed to be that they would stay far enough
from our coast to be in international waters, and they never touched any
US ship. The only time they boarded an American freighter, there
was a longer than usual log note stating that the ship had been flying a
foreign flag and they let it go as soon as they learned its
nationality.
Avoca had a forum post, being involved
somehow with with a Mexican river gunboat in 1916 related to their
ongoing revolutionary war.
Lancaster was in another post, picking
up Mexican refugees in 1914. (The Mexican Revolution started in
1910 and went on seemingly forever, something like 10 years.)
The
US may certainly have been a British ally, but that doesn't mean they
didn't keep an eye on us the whole time. Makes me wonder what they
are doing just outside our borders right now. ;D
That's
odd, because of Suffolk around 1915 and 1916, she's been patrolling
right of the New York coast, and she inspects US ships all the time (at
least from what I remember). ???
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That's
odd, because of Suffolk around 1915 and 1916, she's been patrolling
right of the New York coast, and she inspects US ships all the time (at
least from what I remember).
Then
what we did may not have been across-the-board policy. Makes me
wonder what the real orders were to the US patrol ships. Time to
research again, I guess. ;)
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38081/ADM%2053-38081-014_0.jpg
Basically
while under refit in Port Said a lighter that was returning stores sunk
alongside and there is a huge list of stuff that was lost.
Perhaps this entry should go under the "at last we have sunk something" thread or a new one headed "oops".
K
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sunk by an idiot ;)
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One good reason for not using water soluble paint for marking a plimsoll line.
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From log of HMS Clio. Port Sudan April 1919.
Not quite sure what is happening here.
"SS
Dahahlieh shifted out to single anchor in view of disaffection on board
amongst Egypt troops and all communications were controlled by HMS
Clio"
Dahahlieh seems to be a literal spelling of Ad Daqahliyah, which I think is a place in Egypt.
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From log of HMS Clio. Port Sudan April 1919.
Not quite sure what is happening here.
"SS
Dahahlieh shifted out to single anchor in view of disaffection on board
amongst Egypt troops and all communications were controlled by HMS
Clio"
Dahahlieh seems to be a literal spelling of Ad Daqahliyah, which I think is a place in Egypt.
Red Sea events before 1919 (rebuffing Turkish acquisitiveness)
http://www.navy.gov.au/w/images/PIAMA21.pdf
And customary ingratitude:
http://countrystudies.us/egypt/28.htm
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Thanks Bunts, fascinating stuff.
Suva seems to have made a huge contribution to the war against the Turks.
K
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HMS Suva, 5th July, 1917
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61884/ADM%2053-61884-005_1.jpg
"11.0 Whaler recalled. Fired 5 rounds 4.7" amm and destroyed dhow"
then later (first pm entry):
"Fired 18 rounds 4.7" amm and 9 rounds 3 pdr amm destroying three dhows"
No explanation given. Just didn't like those dhows, I guess.
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HMS Suva, 30th July, 1917
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61884/ADM%2053-61884-018_0.jpg
Busy
day aboard Suva. Observed some flares in the morning (unsure if
these are related to later events). Afternoon: Helped the crew of a
wrecked dhow. Rescued crew, maxim gun, and other gear.
While hoisting the lifeboat after it returned from the dhow, it (the
lifeboat) fell. They lowered the whaler to pick up the lifeboat's
stores, etc, then put the lifeboat in tow, where it promptly
capsized. At 8pm they "hoisted boat," but no indication of which
boat. Maybe the lifeboat.
"Lost in wrecked dhow Maxim spare part box with spare parts complete."
"Lost through lifeboat capsizing three air tanks and parts of casing."
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HMS Suva, 5th July, 1917
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61884/ADM%2053-61884-005_1.jpg
"11.0 Whaler recalled. Fired 5 rounds 4.7" amm and destroyed dhow"
then later (first pm entry):
"Fired 18 rounds 4.7" amm and 9 rounds 3 pdr amm destroying three dhows"
No explanation given. Just didn't like those dhows, I guess.
There
was quite a lot of dhow sinking going on at that time. Both Clio and
Odin did a fair amount. I understand that the main efforts in the Red
Sea were to prevent gun running and provision of supplies to either the
Turks or to Arabs supporting the Turks. Presumably any dhows found with
guns etc on board were sunk.
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HMS Suva, 5th July, 1917
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61884/ADM%2053-61884-005_1.jpg
"11.0 Whaler recalled. Fired 5 rounds 4.7" amm and destroyed dhow"
then later (first pm entry):
"Fired 18 rounds 4.7" amm and 9 rounds 3 pdr amm destroying three dhows"
No explanation given. Just didn't like those dhows, I guess.
There
was quite a lot of dhow sinking going on at that time. Both Clio and
Odin did a fair amount. I understand that the main efforts in the Red
Sea were to prevent gun running and provision of supplies to either the
Turks or to Arabs supporting the Turks. Presumably any dhows found with
guns etc on board were sunk.
Either that or the captain had an Arabic/English dictionary that translated "dhow" as "target".
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HMS Suva, 5th July, 1917
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61884/ADM%2053-61884-005_1.jpg
"11.0 Whaler recalled. Fired 5 rounds 4.7" amm and destroyed dhow"
then later (first pm entry):
"Fired 18 rounds 4.7" amm and 9 rounds 3 pdr amm destroying three dhows"
No explanation given. Just didn't like those dhows, I guess.
There
was quite a lot of dhow sinking going on at that time. Both Clio and
Odin did a fair amount. I understand that the main efforts in the Red
Sea were to prevent gun running and provision of supplies to either the
Turks or to Arabs supporting the Turks. Presumably any dhows found with
guns etc on board were sunk.
Either that or the captain had an Arabic/English dictionary that translated "dhow" as "target".
The Keystone Captain.
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I'm glad I answered the call for help with the Southampton -
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-60721/ADM%2053-60721-083_0.jpg
how great was that - see the 10:00 am entry and also the 2:00 pm one -
Kathy W.
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I'm glad I answered the call for help with the Southampton -
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-60721/ADM%2053-60721-083_0.jpg
how great was that - see the 10:00 am entry and also the 2:00 pm one -
Kathy W.
Considering the location, I bet they had corned beef sandwiches.
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An interesting day all around on the Mantua -
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48275/ADM%2053-48275-011_0.jpg
Rigging for Church, taking on prize crews - :o
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Don't tell the pirates ...
4th February 1919, Challenger at
Cape Town, records 'Finished taking on board bullion ?5,000,000'.
(the question mark should be a pound sign, but although I put it in as
one, it comes out as question ...)
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67607/ADM%2053-67607-111_0.jpg
HMS Vindictive 30 July 1919
Account of an air raid on Kronstadt in the early hours
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Arlanza, November 4, 1917
Captain cautioned Engineer Sub Lieut FL Suter RNR for exceeding the limit of his wine bill for the month of October
by the amount of [pounds sterling]2 17 0d after a previous caution dated 14/1/17 and recorded in the winebook
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34139/ADM53-34139-005_0.jpg
:D One pound in 1917 had the purchasing power of roughly $US60 or 38 pounds now.
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Ouch !
poor Engineer Sub Lieut FL Suter RNR ! (I do hope the wine was any good ! ;))
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From Raven II:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57310/ADM%2053-57310-023_1.jpg
Morning: They had a brief battle with an enemy plane while hoisting in a seaplane.
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From Raven II:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57310/ADM%2053-57310-023_1.jpg
Morning: They had a brief battle with an enemy plane while hoisting in a seaplane.
What
a superb log page, everything is clear but so understated, I would
guess that the log-keeper's postcards would be rather more descriptive
than the customary "Weather fine, digs acceptable, wish you were here"
lgb
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From Raven II:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57310/ADM%2053-57310-023_1.jpg
Morning: They had a brief battle with an enemy plane while hoisting in a seaplane.
What
a superb log page, everything is clear but so understated, I would
guess that the log-keeper's postcards would be rather more descriptive
than the customary "Weather fine, digs acceptable, wish you were here"
lgb
Yes, what a beautiful handwriting and interesting content, too!
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What a superb log page, everything is clear but so understated, I
would guess that the log-keeper's postcards would be rather more
descriptive than the customary "Weather fine, digs acceptable, wish you
were here"
lgb
Yes, what a beautiful handwriting and interesting content, too!
That's
why I love working on Raven II so much! The handwriting is the easiest
to read I've ever seen, and it has hourly readings (except for
barometric readings, which are every 4 hours, except when the ship is
moving), so I shoot up in the rankings. Sure it's two pages per day but
that averages out to 12 a page. I think what puts people off (and why
this was at the bottom of percent complete for so long until recently)
was that it's non-standard (which doesn't seem to stop other ships like
Trent, Wonganella, etc.) and it's relatively inactive (I've done a few
months, and so far, this is one of the few "interesting" things that
have happened, other than a sudden gust of wind raming Raven II into the
dock). It's a shame, it is probably the easiest non-standard ship to
work through and a relatively quick ship. It could use some help, if you
like!
Better stop talking now; now I'm just a captain bragging about his ship... :-[
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67708/ADM%2053-67708-005_1.jpg
HMS Virginian, 5th Oct' 1915, on patrol off Iceland,
I hope I've somehow misread this entry....
'3.05 Captains dog overboard.Swung ship starboard.Eng as req'd
boarding boat away
3.30 B Boat returned.'
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I hope I've somehow misread this entry....
I fear not.
Force
5 wind, misty, waves up to 10 feet, air temp. 52, sea temp. 49. Looks
like a poor outcome, unless it were a Newfoundland Dog.
I'd like to be wrong.
Shouldn't say this, really, but the presence of a dog could explain the deck scrubbing and ship cleaning.
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Yes, I'm afraid your right.This ship has a real talent for finding bad weather.
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Raven II has had a direct hit from enemy aircraft.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57311/ADM%2053-57311-064_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57311/ADM%2053-57311-064_1.jpg)
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Fascinating. Typically understated record of what was presumably a really frightening experience.
Good to see they were back scrubbing decks (or what was left of them) within an hour and a half!!
I hope the injured all survived. I am not sure I want to look them up!!
K
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Raven II has had a direct hit from enemy aircraft.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57311/ADM%2053-57311-064_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57311/ADM%2053-57311-064_1.jpg)
Interesting, too, that the log captured names of non-English individuals who were injured.
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Challenger, 17 Feb 1915
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-37518/ADM%2053-37518-084_1.jpg
Things
get (potentially) interesting in the evening. Enemy attack is
considered "possible," so they landed all available men and guns, lit
search lights, and moved "dreadnought" (didn't specify which) "to a
position to command railway."
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Hurricane in Dundee?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-55064/ADM%2053-55064-009_1.jpg
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On 25th December 1916, Raven II
"Received 1 3Par Hoskiss 2F anti-aircraft gun from "Anne". "
Who says they didn't know how to celebrate Christmas?
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On 25th December 1916, Raven II
"Received 1 3Par Hoskiss 2F anti-aircraft gun from "Anne". "
Who says they didn't know how to celebrate Christmas?
Hi Mugby, I hope you dont think I am being picky but could that be QF, not 2F. QF would stand for quick fire.
This
gun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QF_3_pounder_Hotchkiss, was very
common on the boats we are transcribing, both as secondary armament and
for anti aircraft duties.
Hope this helps. K
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On 25th December 1916, Raven II
"Received 1 3Par Hoskiss 2F anti-aircraft gun from "Anne". "
Who says they didn't know how to celebrate Christmas?
Hi Mugby, I hope you dont think I am being picky but could that be QF, not 2F. QF would stand for quick fire.
This
gun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QF_3_pounder_Hotchkiss, was very
common on the boats we are transcribing, both as secondary armament and
for anti aircraft duties.
Hope this helps. K
Thanks
Tegwen ,you are right it is QF. The current log-keeper on Raven II has
beautiful handwriting but Very elaborate capital letters
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67710/ADM%2053-67710-012_1.jpg
Zig-zag pattern diagrams / pictograms from HMS Virginian, - see 1am, 6am & two at 9pm.
Regards,
Bernie
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67710/ADM%2053-67710-012_1.jpg
Zig-zag pattern diagrams / pictograms from HMS Virginian, - see 1am, 6am & two at 9pm.
Regards,
Bernie
I've seen "zz diagram 51" and similar but this is much more informative for the likes of me.
Ta.
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Yes, for me too. Gives me a much clearer idea of what was
actually going on in all this zigzagging - and quite different to what
my uninformed imagination had come up with!
Helen J
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Your both very welcome, I'll try to post some other examples later.
Regards, Bernie
At 9am, one that actually is a zig-zag shape.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67711/ADM%2053-67711-009_0.jpg
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Interesting to note that even a force 5 wind can cause a ship to
pitch 'violently' - makes me feel sorry for anyone on board a ship with
any sort of wind!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-55064/ADM%2053-55064-018_0.jpg
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Not only football is popular in the Navy. Athletics are also important as they sent competition for athletic sports.
By the way, note that the times are given in four digits form as it is with todays armies.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-70441/ADM%2053-70441-020_1.jpg
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Yes to both - football and other athletic parties are quite
common. Although when sloop Torch sent a football party on shore
at Fiji, they neglected to log the fact that they had lost the
game. (Australian newspapers have wonderful online archives about
things like the gam scores.)
The decade or so our logs cover was
the decade when the RN switched over to a 24 hour clock. The
oldest logs all have 12 hour am and pm. The newest logs pretty
much all use the 2400 system. The fun part is reading the
occasional way of logging the times by young men who are just trying to
learn the new system. Two of the them that I transcribed would
time notes by 2400s but write on the line with the weather readings the
am/pm time to allow them to translate back and forth. ;D
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HMS Donegal 15 March 1916 Scapa Flow
Nominal complement 670.
75 on sick list, one death occurred this day.
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Hi Bunts,
when I
transcriped the Donegal log pages the system was still prone to
'jumping' around
between dates and I didn't see the March 15th 1916
page, but did get the preceeding fortnight.The ship was docked in
Liverpool for the first week of March and departed for Scapa on the
7th.It would
seem that whatever the infection was, it was on board by that point.
The 'Sick list' figures for March 2nd to the March 12th were,
1,1,3,6,8,9,13,19,24,28 and 38 on the 12th.
In addition 4 people were discharged to a hospital ship on the 10th and two additional sick berth stewards joined on the 11th.
The next page I saw was March 22nd 1916 when the figure was 32.
One to return to when the voyage is complete and all the pages are available for viewing, I think.
Bernie
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Hi, Bernie,
Thanks for the background. I seem to have hit the jackpot.
Where
I worked, 60% of the staff was female so we were used to being 10%
understaffed. It only got serious when 30% were absent; or if one man was sick. (Do you think anyone will find that controversial?)
Anyhoo
(while I'm still able to type) I'm still missing lumps or filling gaps
depending on your point of view. A theory has occurred to me, which may
be common knowledge, or wrong. You know how you're presented with a new
page immediately after finishing one and it gets saved for your return?
(Well it does for me.) With HMS Donegal's 200+ transcribers, depending
on when they signed on, there could be a lot of "reserved" pages needing
to be released at some stage. I wonder if we hit that boundary. Sorry
for imposing this on you when you were only being kind. Life is so
unfair. ;)
B
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Hi Bunts,
I
really don't know the answer to that. If there are 'Reserved' pages
remaining then you
should be seeing them if you continue with the Donegal. Anyway thanks for taking on this one - she
must have been 'becalmed' for two or three months now.
Regards,
Bernie
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Bernie,
You'll be relieved to know that by the 5th May 1916,
HMS Donegal, after several spells of patrolling and cruising in the
fresh Scottish air off Scapa Flow, has shaken off all those nasty
English germs and has no one on the sick list. We may have left a couple
in hospital, it was hard to keep count.
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Hi Bunts,
that's good to know - many thanks.
Bernie
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To be added to the long list of lost items: a Boat's Signal Book. This time not overboard.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59866/ADM%2053-59866-005_1.jpg
I
would not have been the rating responsible for this mischief. No
further action was taken in the following days, so far as I know.
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At least it wasn't the ship's main book, that would have been worse.
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I'm working on the Patuca, currently beginning 1916.
But last year, 1915 there was an incident I had to do some follow-up
research on ~ a collision!
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb460/rogwherm1/ADM53-54674-018_0Collide.jpg)
1 July 1915
" 0.30 Stopped F.[I guess 'Full'] Astern 0.35
Collided S/S Oscar II of Stockholm
Standing by. "
Typical terse, no-nonsense entry. What happened there? A collision at sea is not a walk in the park.
Later, early morning:
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" Standing by
5.30. H.M.S. "Columbella" arrived
alongside . "
'Aha' thought I. The plot thickens! A second ship comes to the rescue!
BUT, later:
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb460/rogwherm1/ADM53-54674-018_0ResumePatrol.jpg)
"8.15 AM. Half speed ahead S39W.
8.30 "" Full 13 knots. Ordered to
resume patrol until further orders"
What??
That's all? Later in the afternoon they even went so far as to exercise
the guns' crews as per normal! Here's when I delved into the web
to find out more. What happened to the other ship? How badly was Patuca damaged?
Among a number of references to this incident I came up with the following out of a book, The Merchant Navy the complete text of which is online.
"Orders had been received from the Admir-
alty that the Swedish steamer Oscar II, on passage from
Buenos Aires to Christiania with a cargo of coffee, hides,
etc., should be sent into port if she was met with. The
Patuca fell in with this vessel early on the morning of
July 1st, with disastrous results. The Oscar II struck the
Patuca on the starboard bow, crushing her own bow, and
then, rubbing alongside, she was holed in the engine-room
by the patrol ship's propeller. Some plates of the Patuca
were injured, and the flange of her propeller was badly
bent, but collision mats were requisitioned, and by shoring
up her side and filling in the spaces between the damaged
plates with cement, she was made sufficiently seaworthy
to proceed to the Clyde at 14 knots. "
I
hope this isn't getting too long? But I found the story
fascinating. And the other ship, the Oscar II? Well I read
elsewhere that she was known as a notorious smuggler and blockade
runner, hence the Admiralty's orders to search for her. She was
much more badly damaged, and despite the Royal Navy's best efforts with
two or three ships in attendance to tow her in to port, she sank within
two days! And that, fortunately with no loss of life as her crew had
transferred to the Patuca when her engine room flooded, putting out her fires.
Amazing what's behind three short, nearly telegraphic lines in a logbook!
Cheers,
~~~~~~~~~~~~Rogwherm
Oh, here's the full page view:
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46014/ADM%2053-46014-011_1.jpg
Some active sportsmen
on the Lancaster.
I wonder whether the Warrants read later were in anyway related.
Portanucis
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the warrants were read at 5pm, before the sportsmen were due back onboard at 6pm.
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Oh, hey Folks,
As an addendum to that one I wrote about the collision of Patuca and the Swedish Oscar II I wonder what the logs of the Columbella have to say in those days, 1-4 July, 1915? She was in attendance on Oscar II after the collision and during attempts to tow her in to port.
Any Columbella crew out there who have a handle on that?
Cheers
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Rogwherm
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Oh, hey Folks,
As an addendum to that one I wrote about the collision of Patuca and the Swedish Oscar II I wonder what the logs of the Columbella have to say in those days, 1-4 July, 1915? She was in attendance on Oscar II after the collision and during attempts to tow her in to port.
Any Columbella crew out there who have a handle on that?
Cheers
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Rogwherm
Your wish is my command: ;)
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38277/ADM%2053-38277-079_0.jpg
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Sounds like the Columbella was spending most of her time doing
ordinary patrolling. What a shame that Patuca isn't complete yet,
when she is we might want to come back to this thread - just to finish
the story.
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I have done the complete remainder of that year, 1915, and can say that a day or two later Patuca
was ordered back to port, where she was laid up in dry dock for a
couple weeks if memory serves. I'll have to go back and check
that...
Hey and thank'ee, BT for the Columbella logs of
that period. It's definitely cool to see this incident from
another perspective. You wouldn't know anything had happened
perhaps but for the abnormal congregation of HMSs. Patuca, Digby, Royal Scot . . .
On
looking back at that book online, 'The Merchant Navy', I see it was
really the latter two vessels that attempted to tow the stricken Swedish
ship back to port. Here:
"The damage sustained by the Swedish ship was more
serious, and she started making water badly. The engine-
room filled, putting out the fires, and the crew abandoned
her and went on board the Patuca. The Admiral com-
manding immediately ordered the Columbella and Digby to
the scene of the accident, and the Royal Scot was detached
to tow the Oscar II to Stornoway. The Commander-in-
Chief of the Grand Fleet, on receiving intelligence of the
mishap, announced that destroyers would be in readiness
off the Butt of Lewis. The Royal Scot took the injured
vessel in tow, the Digby acting as escort. At 1 p.m. the
Digby reported that the upper deck of the Swedish vessel
was awash, and that the tow had parted. Three hours
later the Royal Scot had the steamer again in tow, but
the voyage promised to be a long lone, as no higher speed
than 4 knots could be made.
"Early the following morning the Digby reported that
another towing hawser had given out and that the wind
and sea were rising. The tug Plover was forthwith
dispatched from Stornoway to go to the assistance of the
Oscar II, but failed to locate her. Shortly before noon
the Royal Scot was still struggling with her burden, making
about 3| knots. Subsequently, OAving to the condition
of the damaged ship, all hands had to leave her. At
1.30 p.m. the tow again parted, but was once more picked
up by the Royal Scot. By this time the destroyers Staunch
and Fury had joined the escort. At 5 o'clock that afternoon
the towing operations had to be suspended, and an hour
later the tow once more parted. At 8.35 p.m. the Digby
reported that she was experiencing great difficulty in towing
as all the wires had gone except that attached to the cable
of the derelict, adding that there was no steam or hand
gear on her capstan. Early the following morning the
Oscar II, though completely water-logged, was still in
tow of the Royal Scot. At 6 a.m. the ships reached
lat. 59? 11' N., long. 7? 42' W., when steering became
difficult through the yawing of the derelict. At 9 a.m.
the tow again parted, the bollards having drawn and the
wires gone, and as further towing by the Royal Scot was
impracticable, that ship was sent to Stornoway to fill up
with water. The Digby, assisted by the Fury, then
attempted to pick up the tow, but unsuccessfully. By
this time the Oscar II had developed a list of 40 degrees
and the seas were sweeping over her. At 7 p.m. she sank,
and the Digby then returned to her patrol and the Royal
Scot went to Scapa Flow. "
All for now
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Rogwherm
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All for now
That counts as a fine piece of understatement.
Reading
the account of the determined effort to save the ship reminded me of
Operation Pedestal and the saving of SS Ohio, or as she became fondly
known "the O. H. 10". Admittedly the circumstances were different: Oscar
II was, presumably, suspected of carrying contraband whereas the O. H.
10 was carrying a known lifeline for Malta, so really exceptional and
imaginative risks were taken to preserve her.
Ohio using destroyers as crutches (http://www.killifish.f9.co.uk/Malta%20WWII/Photo%27s/War_Museum/Ohio.JPG)
Fuller account here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Ohio
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Hey
and thank'ee, BT for the Columbella logs of that period. It's
definitely cool to see this incident from another perspective. You
wouldn't know anything had happened perhaps but for the abnormal
congregation of HMSs. Patuca, Digby, Royal Scot . . .
On
looking back at that book online, 'The Merchant Navy', I see it was
really the latter two vessels that attempted to tow the stricken Swedish
ship back to port. Here:
HMS
Digby is also one of our still-active ships, although when she was lent
to the France-in-exile navy, they gave her the name Artois, which is
what her logs are listed under. It will be very interesting to
read her part of the story, since she was so active. ;D
HMS Royal Scot is not one of ours, so her role we will never know. :(
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46015/ADM%2053-46015-004_1.jpg
Hi All,
I'm
not sure if this item on the accidental loss of coal noted in H.M.S
Lancaster's log-book is really "riveting" but I thought it might be of
some interest.
Portanucis
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46015/ADM%2053-46015-005_0.jpg
The
crew seem to be in a rather careless mood these days on H.M. S.
Lancaster. More losses overboard, though I must admit I have no idea
what a 6" B.L. Brush piasaba (?) is.
Maybe someone might have an idea?
Portanucis
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I found this, could be the thing :D
Piassava \Pi*as"sa*va\, n. [Pg. piasaba.]
A fibrous product of two Brazilian palm trees (Attalea
funifera and Leopoldinia Piassaba), -- used in making
brooms, and for other purposes. Called also pia[,c]aba and
piasaba.
[1913 Webster]
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In fact, there is quite a bit on it:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1851.msg22980#msg22980
In short, it is used to 'sponge' out the gun (6"BL) barrels.
(I can't help wondering if they use a sponge to brush something else ;))
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6" BL will be 6 inch Breach Loading.
If you really want you can read the manual here!!!
http://www.archive.org/stream/HandbookForThe6-inchBreechLoadingMarkXiiGun1917.G.2111717/BL6inchMkXIINavalGunManual1917#page/n1/mode/2up
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These are some of the most dramatic pages I've come across.
I've also noted them in Additional letters and in Burials at Sea.
November 7th, 1915:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33201/ADM53-33201-011_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33201/ADM53-33201-010_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33201/ADM53-33201-009_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33201/ADM53-33201-006_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33201/ADM53-33201-012_0.jpg
According to Naval-History.net, 2 more of the injured died after this log note was written.
Sunday, 7 November 1915
Albemarle, pre-Dreadnought battleship, damaged by heavy seas off northern Scotland
AIKEN, William J, Chief Petty Officer, 161866 (Po), died of injuries
ARNOLD, Arthur E, Ordinary Seaman, J 22237 (Po)
NAYLOR, David A, Able Seaman, J 18657 (Po)
NIXON, George R, Commander, drowned
STROUD, George E B, Able Seaman, 221919 (Po)
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Remarkable that, amongst the damage, sufficient information survived in whatever form for the log to be compiled.
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These logs are all monthly copies. I have no idea what the
original log looked like, but it cannot have been pretty. But they
had over an hour to get reorganized before the first weather reading
was due, which did not include any attempt to get at the indoor
instruments; and there were only 6 days that had to be reconstructed, if
they'd already sent in the previous month's log. (Which is
likely, in home waters.) In some ways, insisting on normal
structure must have been a great help in keeping sane and grounded.
What a distressing thing to strike in the dead of the night without warning.
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6" BL will be 6 inch Breach Loading.
If you really want you can read the manual here!!!
http://www.archive.org/stream/HandbookForThe6-inchBreechLoadingMarkXiiGun1917.G.2111717/BL6inchMkXIINavalGunManual1917#page/n1/mode/2up
Thank You Tegwen,
I'm
sure the manual is of great interest to those who understand it . I'm
afraid it's beyond me as I haven't the slightest knowledge of weapons.
Portanucis
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To add to the long list of objects lost overboard:
After food and a dish, here comes a table cloth. Will the fishes get one day a table? ::)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-70442/ADM%2053-70442-017_1.jpg
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Perhaps the sea will put them on the continental shelf. ;)
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:P
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The life of armed guards, put aboard a strange ship and told, "Take
her into Stornoway" could be very interesting. On the 5th August 1917,
Sub-Lt Wilson and an AG, usually a PO and 4 ratings, were put on board
the Swedish SS "Jarl" from HMS "Orcoma". The Jarl was then sunk by a
U-boat on the 9th, about 130 miles SW of the Faroes, fortunately without
loss of life and later in the month while in Liverpool, the log reports
the loss of their revolvers, holsters and sundry ammunition! Perhaps
these items were stopped from their pay.
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"What? You are accusing us of deliberately chucking away our weapons, just so the U-boat crew wouldn't see as a threat?"
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Well, it might have been a bit of a giveaway if you were trying to pass yourself off as just a regular member of the crew!
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The things they make boys do.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46005/ADM%2053-46005-005_1.jpg
06.00. Exd Boys at boat pulling and over masthead.
I have seen lots of boat pulling before but never "over masthead".
Presumably
they had to run up the rigging to the very top of the mast and back
down again. Poor little beggars, particularly at 06.00.
Isnt there something in the Geneva convention about cruel and unusual punishments?
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Though my fear of heights was fully developed before I was fifteen,
at that age I was indestructible and wouldn't have allowed myself to be
left (far) behind, although 6.00am has never been my favourite
time.
I believe the Geneva Conventions refer to opponents; we can
treat "our own" with less consideration. Or rather, we could ... before
Health & Safety became all encompassing.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46015/ADM%2053-46015-014_0.jpg
More items lost overboard.
Apparently pollution of the sea it was not a problem then.
Portanucis
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Marines also have their competitions.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-70442/ADM%2053-70442-118_1.jpg
And a good seaman has to be able to swim.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-70442/ADM%2053-70442-119_0.jpg
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58290/ADM%2053-58290-034_0.jpg
Secured for typhoon
I can't find anything on the web, but it didn't sound very good.
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Even today the track of a hurricane or typhoon is difficult to
predict precisely. Back then it would have been more tentative. Once an
alert was given, the word would have been spread far and wide by radio
and telegraph to put as many people as possible on their guard.
It may go/have gone elsewhere or fizzle(d) out without adverse consequences.
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Even
today the track of a hurricane or typhoon is difficult to predict
precisely. Back then it would have been more tentative. Once an alert
was given, the word would have been spread far and wide by radio and
telegraph to put as many people as possible on their guard.
It may go/have gone elsewhere or fizzle(d) out without adverse consequences.
That explains why everything was fine the next day. :o
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After the first empty threat of a storm (see above), we now have a real storm hitting us.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58291/ADM%2053-58291-009_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58291/ADM%2053-58291-010_0.jpg
From the web: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_tropical_cyclone_rainfall_climatology#Hong_Kong
Apparently, it was the third wettest typhoon Hong Kong has received.
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After the first empty threat of a storm (see above), we now have a real storm hitting us.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58291/ADM%2053-58291-009_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58291/ADM%2053-58291-010_0.jpg
From the web: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_tropical_cyclone_rainfall_climatology#Hong_Kong
Apparently, it was the third wettest typhoon Hong Kong has received.
Here are the current warnings and means of transmission:
http://paguro.net/expat-life/local/hong-kong-china-sar/all-documents-hong-kong/chinasar_hongkong_climate
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HMS Birmingham --- 955. Entered thick fog. 1002 Fired depth charge
I guess they didn't have a fog horn ;)
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46016/ADM%2053-46016-015_1.jpg
Not
much to celebrate on board the Lancaster on Christmas Day 1916. More
coal, shovels and other items (indecipherable ?) accidently lost
overboard.
Portanucis
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My reading is that they were empty sacks, 15 of them that would hold
2 cwt each - Pattern no. 3, that went over the side, not the coal.
As for the shovels, it looks as though he's just put the inventory number 645, Naval shovels, 3 of them.
I find it difficult to reconcile my reading of the last one, in that company, but I think it's 1 mails (bag) Patt 444.
It's the Royal Navy's precise, pedantic phraseology. 8) innit?
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A very aptly named ship - the weather includes lightning from 2 - 6 am, and at 9am who should arrive but SS Lightning?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36256/ADM%2053-36256-010_0.jpg
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My
reading is that they were empty sacks, 15 of them that would hold 2 cwt
each - Pattern no. 3, that went over the side, not the coal.
As for the shovels, it looks as though he's just put the inventory number 645, Naval shovels, 3 of them.
I find it difficult to reconcile my reading of the last one, in that company, but I think it's 1 mails (bag) Patt 444.
It's the Royal Navy's precise, pedantic phraseology. 8) innit?
Thanks Bunting Tosser.
I admire your excellent eyesight and your profound knowledge of the Royal Navy.
Portanucis
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Portanucis,
You are exceedingly kind, but my knowledge arises
from my experience of losing and crashing things, and getting things
wrong ...
Did someone ask you to cheer me up?
Ta.
Bunts
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Sometimes it is good being far away from Home: You get invited by the Colony for a luncheon and only seamen attended.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-70442/ADM%2053-70442-177_0.jpg
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How do you lose a torpedo? Let me know if I'm reading this wrong. ???
"Hands employed sweeping for "Hydra's" lost torpedo"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38217/ADM%2053-38217-019_1.jpg
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Yes, you're absolutely right. I'm not entirely sure how you
lose one, but there's an interesting recent thread about how you go
about looking for one! It's in Ships Battles & People, called
Hunt the Torpedo, and began on August 18th, so not far back. I
know there's probably some way of posting a link to it, but I'm afraid I
don't know what it is .... :)
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Thanks Helen, that thread made for an interesting read. ;)
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It will be a practice torpedo, fired and intended to surface and be
retrieved. Sometimes they failed to surface! Then the boat crews will go
out and sweep, trailing a rope between two boats along the sea bed in
the area. When they snag it they'll either try to catch it in a net or
send a diver down if it isn't too deep.
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That seems right, Colne seemed to be working with Pincher. There was
also diving boat alongside Colne a day or so later, no mention if they
found the torpedo...
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And destroyer Torch showed me how they sometimes spend 3 days
looking and diving before giving up to get a new torpedo issued.
Those practice torpedoes must be very expensive!
Destroyer HMS Torch has just experienced 3 very sloppy days. See the links for details, but here is the summary:
Oct.
14th
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63333/ADM%2053-63333-025_0.jpg),
they lost a torpedo during exercises and had to spend hours looking for
it.
Oct. 15th (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63333/ADM%2053-63333-025_1.jpg), they kept looking, with divers.
Also on Oct. 15th, they lost overboard a very complex mock buoy.
Oct.
16th
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63333/ADM%2053-63333-026_0.jpg),
after further looking they had to give up.
No one's idea of fun. What kind of torture do the other crews in the flotilla perpetrate on them after this mess?
EDIT:
This was added to their woes on Oct. 19th
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63333/ADM%2053-63333-027_1.jpg),
making for a very, very bad week!!
Drifter No.32 put hole in ship's side port side abreast 49 frame.
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Welland's log, 9 May 1918: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68388/ADM%2053-68388-007_1.jpg
2.0 SS Atlantique torpedoed S/M attacked by Depth charges
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Bluebell's log, 11 November 1921: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-71521/ADM%2053-71521-024_0.jpg
12.0 Fired 21 gun salute for H.M. the King of Italy's birthday.
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HMS Ambrose:
Captain (S) came onboard to say goodbye to the Ships Company.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-70443/ADM%2053-70443-073_1.jpg
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Same ship a few days later:
Discharged 1 Pte (Private) RMLI to shore. (Discharged by purchase).
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-70443/ADM%2053-70443-076_1.jpg
I don't understand what that means to is it a Mondegreen?
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Not a Mondegreen.
It's a Marine who is leaving the service
before his "service" is complete. He has "bought himself out", paid
compensation to the naval authorities for the lack of his presence. This
is an extract from "King's Regulations & Admiralty Instructions":
"602.
Discharge by Purchase.- Men and boys serving in the Royal Navy under
continuous or special service engagements are permitted, in exceptional
cases, to purchase their discharge.
Discharge cannot be claimed
as a right, however, and nothing in these Regulations shall interfere
with the power of the Admiralty to suspend discharge by purchase at any
time, or to refuse discharge in a particular case.
2. Application
for the discharge of a man or boy by purchase should be made to his
Captain. The Captain is to be careful not to entertain or forward an
application without fully satisfying himself that the applicant has good
and substantial reasons for seeking the discharge.
3. On the
home stations discharge by purchase may be authorised by the
Commanders-in-Chief, the Rear Admiral of the Coast of Ireland, and the
Admiral Commanding Coast Guard and Reserves, without reference to the
Admiralty in, the following cases:
Where the applicant has less than three months' service.
Where the applicant has over six years' service and satisfactory
evidence is produced that he has good employment to go to.
A quarterly return is to be rendered to the Admiralty, showing the number of discharges granted under the above authority.
In other cases at home, Admiralty authority is to be obtained.
4.
On foreign stations, discharges are not to be allowed, except under
pressing circumstances, when the decision will rest with the
Commander-in-Chief, or, in his absence, with the senior officer present,
if of Flag rank.
In all cases of discharge by purchase abroad, form S. 222, showing the circumstances, is to be forwarded to the Admiralty.
5.
Scale of Payments.-The following is the scale of payments for discharge
from the Service for men and boys, including marines :"
then there's table that won't copy easily. If you want to see it, it's here:
http://www.pbenyon1.plus.com/KR&AI/Instruct_Capts.html#SECTION%20XIV
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Wow. Someone lost a lot of stuff boarding a ship, and not such a harmless loss either.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-149_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-149_0.jpg)
Lost Overboard boarding "Pestalozzi"
1 Waist Belt
1 Ammunition Pouch 1 Frog 1 Bayonet 80 rounds of 756 Ammunition, 1 Jig, 1 cleaner.
Cheers
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Rogwherm
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Not a Mondegreen.
It's
a Marine who is leaving the service before his "service" is complete.
He has "bought himself out", paid compensation to the naval authorities
for the lack of his presence. This is an extract from "King's
Regulations & Admiralty Instructions":
Thanks Bunts. I think that I'll have to learn by heart the whole Kings Regulation as a good rating should do. ;D
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KR&AI was like the bible in medieval times. For the information
of the cognoscenti - the Officers; ratings who knew about it were called
"Barrack Room Lawyers" and deemed to be troublemakers, taking things
out of context and unable to see "the bigger picture".
So you needn't bother to learn it unless you have ideas above your station; or are a troublemaker. ;D
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I'm not questioning your reading.
"80 rounds of .756 ammunition"
- was he on an elephant shoot? The fact that he spelt "ammunition"
twice with a single m could account for the possibly erroneous calibre
and makes me wonder whether he omitted to mention that there was an
unfortunate marine wearing the belt at the time.
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KR&AI
was like the bible in medieval times. For the information of the
cognoscenti - the Officers; ratings who knew about it were called
"Barrack Room Lawyers" and deemed to be troublemakers, taking things out
of context and unable to see "the bigger picture".
So you needn't bother to learn it unless you have ideas above your station; or are a troublemaker. ;D
That's CAPTAIN h.kohler (HMS Bristol) to you ;D
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In that case "Get your head in the book" forthwith. ;D
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He also commanded Challenger so a bit of respect, please.
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Aye, aye, Captain.
:P
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HMS Changuinola, 6 August 1917:
4.12am: Obs two ship's boats brng S30W a/c to inspect them.
4.15am: Obs to contain shipwrecked crew. Red to half speed.
4.20am: Stop & received on board 5 officers & 41 men of S/S "Chagford"
4.43am: Proc full spd to intcpt HMAT "Saxon"
5.12am: Signalled trawler to proceed to assistance of S/S "Chagford" torpedoed in 56 36 N 10 35 W
Although
referred to in the logs at this point as "S/S", the Chagford was
actually a Q ship and there is an account of what happened in E Keble
Chatterton's book, "Q Ships and their story". She had been
torpedoed about 24 hours earlier, eventually being hit three times
altogether, at which point her captain ordered most of the crew to
abandon ship. However, the captain and four other crew members
remained in case the U-boat crew attempted to board. They too
abandoned the ship during the night as the ship was about to sink.
They were picked up at 7.30am by the Saxon, who took the Chagford in
tow. Unfortunately she finally sank just before 8am on the morning
of 7 August. The Chagford had managed to inflict considerable
damage on the U-boat which attacked her and it was left unable to
submerge. This is thought to have probably been U-44 subsequently
sunk by HMS Oracle on 12 August 1917.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37554/C2-ADM53-37554-260_1.jpg
HMS Changuinola, 21 August 1917
An
unfortunate start for our convoy duty career - five hours out of port,
two ships torpedoed. There had been mention of a destroyer escort
before we actually left - where were they when we needed them?
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-56115/ADM%2053-56115-014_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-56115/ADM%2053-56115-015_0.jpg
HMS Pyramus, 23rd August 1917, sailing from Muscat to Aden, picks up an SOS message from
a
ship asking for help.They reach the ship, the SS Alberta Cavaletto,
several hours later to find her on fire.Pyramus maintains a position
close by throughout the night and next day helps by towing the
steam ship for most of the day.
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Nothing so riveting as the above, probably pretty routine for a river gunboat in China, but it made me smile.
HMS Tarantula, 20th June 1923
2230 Kong Ming entered harbour. Lowered Motor Boat.
2235 Kong Ming proceeded down River.
2245 Motor boat moored up.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-86757/ADM%2053-86757-024_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-86757/ADM%2053-86757-024_1.jpg)
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Let's hope they don't forget where they left it.
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HMS Bramble 15th May 1917 Maskat
"0.55 Abraham Arab placed under arrest in Irons for striking"
Disappointing that he wasn't "clapped in irons". A little applause would have been nice.
"5.0 Abraham Arab released"
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On 26 July 1923 on board HMS Tarantula they?ve been having an
exciting few days. They?ve just come through a typhoon, during
which they recorded barometric pressure assiduously (every half hour
round the clock). Yesterday and this morning, weather recording is
back to the normal frequency, but I?m a little alarmed that they?ve
started hourly barometer readings again from 1600 hours. It was
surprisingly tense watching the pressures fall ominously and the winds
rise as the typhoon approached.
During the day today, instead of
the usual scrubbing of decks, praying and granting leave to the watches
they were doing this ? I think my favourite is the rather dramatic end
to the day.
0615 Lowered skiff and sampan. Hands employed disembarking ammunition.
0800 Hands to bathe. 0815 Retire
1300 Hands employed disembarking ammunition. 1330 One Leading Seaman discharged to Hospital.
1400 1 Hammer (2lb). 1 Cable Punch (starting). 1 Cable Punch (driving) lost overboard by accident.
1500 Hoisted sampan and skiff. Lowered Motor Boat.
1600 Let go from West Wall. 1624 Secured to No. 20 buoy.
1800 Leave to Starbd Watch till 07.00.
2100 Rounds correct.
23.15
Motor Boat returned towed by ?Tamar? launch, having caught fire at
Kowloon. Fire extinguished with no damage to hull but extensive damage
to engine. Hoisted M.B.
That final comment is abbreviated because
they were running out of space on the page, but it does make them sound
rather exasperated. :)
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Edit:
Yup. I was right to be concerned. It's now 27 July and they're hoisting
the Typhoon Signal again and doing half-hourly barometer readings.
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On 26 July 1923 on board HMS Tarantula they?ve been having an exciting few days. They?ve just come through a typhoon,
Edit:
Yup. I was right to be concerned. It's now 27 July and they're hoisting
the Typhoon Signal again and doing half-hourly barometer readings.
So the 26th was either a pretty big "eye", or a "lull" between two typhoons?
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I'm thinking possibly a lull between two.
22 and 23 July were
the typhoon days and the Tarantula was in Canton. 24 and 25 July
were nice, ordinary, boring days, a little drying out and refitting of
the awnings, cleaning things, etc, moving to Hong Kong. Then on 26
July they had all that excitement of losing equipment, sending a man to
hospital and damaging the motor boat. On 27 July the barometer started
dropping faster and lower and the number 6 typhoon signal was hoisted
while they furled the awnings and prepared the boat for a typhoon (the
previous time they only mentioned the awnings).
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What comes after March 29th 1920 in the HMS Kinsha's logs ?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45802/ADM%2053-45802-018_1.jpg
;D ;D ;D
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now that is just down right mean!!! ;D
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now that is just down right mean!!! ;D
Perhaps he was writing it up on April 1st.
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Patuca, 3rd June 1916, 8.30pm
'Intercepted Danish whaler with whale. All'd to proceed.'
I
suppose it was a good way of proving they were who they said they were
.... Though who knows what contraband that whale might have
contained?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54675/ADM%2053-54675-008_0.jpg
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Welland's log, 20 June 1914, Hong Kong: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68363/ADM%2053-68363-013_0.jpg
11.30 Typhoon signals (red) hoisted.
5.45 Black Typhoon signals hoisted.
6.0 Hands empld. securing ship for typhoon.
8.0 Ship secured, awnings furled & boats turned in.
21 June 1914: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68363/ADM%2053-68363-013_1.jpg
11.5 Typhoon signals hauled down.
Much ado about nothing?
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"Hope for the best; prepare for the worst."
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I was struck by the thought of how better the weather folks are now at tracking hurricanes... :o
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HMS Patuca, 25th June 1916, in trouble with pack ice - so much for summer!
They
begin at 2.43 'Stopped engines, unable to pass through the ice'.
They dodge about, trying to get through, but by the evening are still
struggling '10.5 Unable to clear'; then the weather gets even worse
'11.00 Set in wet and misty', and 11.55 'Pack ice close ahead'.
I was going to stop with this page for today, but I need to go on and find out how they get out!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54675/ADM%2053-54675-019_0.jpg
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Let us know what they do, please
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Welland's log, 8 July 1914: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68363/ADM%2053-68363-022_0.jpg
9.30 Walsh A.B. fell from anchor bed into bottom of dock. Removed to sick bay, Tamar, badly injured.
--I tried googling his last name with the ship's name, but nothing turned up.
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HMS Patuca, 25th June 1916, in trouble with pack ice - so much for summer!
They
begin at 2.43 'Stopped engines, unable to pass through the ice'.
They dodge about, trying to get through, but by the evening are still
struggling '10.5 Unable to clear'; then the weather gets even worse
'11.00 Set in wet and misty', and 11.55 'Pack ice close ahead'.
I was going to stop with this page for today, but I need to go on and find out how they get out!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54675/ADM%2053-54675-019_0.jpg
Update
- for the next several days they keep encountering ice, but seem not to
get caught up in it. There are entries such as 'avoiding pack
ice' and 'sighted ice field northward'. And they're keeping a very
close eye on the water temperature, recording it hourly a lot of the
time. From the positions it looks as though they move towards the
ice during the day, but retreat a bit south at night, which was
presumably safer. I'm transcribing anything I find about it, as I
think it might well be of interest to the PTB, especially a record of
the precise position where they came to the edge of the ice. This
was on 27th June, and the position was 66 21 N, 20 36 W, if anyone wants
to look it up. I've no idea how that compares to the ice today.
It's fascinating stuff.
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You might put a note in the Natural Phenomena thread
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1779.0) to raise the
visibility.
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Possibly some deserters?
"Discharged 7 absentees bags and hammocks to HMS Egmont" (Malta RN base)
Sapphire
had just spent the last month trying to clear Turkish trenches near
Y-beach to allow the army to make progress - which they didn't. Hardly
the glorious adventure that many young men signed up for in 1914.
:(
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59130/ADM%2053-59130-014_1.jpg
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On HMS Perth at Aden, 8th May 1918...
'2pm Discharged 1 Pt R.M.L.I. to Aden detention barracks'
[no further detail given, but I suppose as the old saw has it - no name, no pack drill...!]
then 8 hours later...
'10pm Liberty men returned 2 Ratings missing'
Definitely a bad day at the office :-[
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I wonder whether we ought to start a new, complementary, topic - 'Non events'
e.g. From HMS Perth, 11 May 1918 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-55094/ADM%2053-55094-008_1.jpg)
'Landing party ashore attempting to destroy dhows - None found'
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;D
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Patuca, 15th July 1916, Atlantic Patrol
6.20am Passed school of large whales
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54675/ADM%2053-54675-029_0.jpg
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67728/ADM%2053-67728-013_1.jpg
HMS Virginian, 21st June 1917, on patrol north west of Scotland,
'12.40 Passed ship's lifeboat bottom up'
'2.25 Passed ship's lifeboat, black, waterlogged, mast up'
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I don't know if they had too much rum or if it was the snow, but it must be a record for sailing into harbour:
HMS
Orvieto tried hard to enter Liverpool harbour, engines going wild,
bumping into two ships. Finally after the second try they could find
their mooring.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53899/ADM%2053-53899-007_1.jpg
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Perhaps it was because of the rain, snow, and squalls - I hope!
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HMS Perth, 30 Jun 1918 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-55095/ADM%2053-55095-018_0.jpg), Gulf of Aden
'Lost overboard by accident Brooms Bass. 1 Broomhead Pat: no. 457. 1'
I somehow seemed to have missed this cataclysmic event in Churchill's 'History of the English Speaking People'...
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It's suspiciously carefully documented.
It would have been dark
at that time of day, snow would reduce visibility and reflect light back
at the bridge, and (according to the text) the first bump was the other
fellow's fault.
Welcome back to Liverpool. ::)
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I don't know if they had too much rum or if it was the snow, but it must be a record for sailing into harbour:
HMS
Orvieto tried hard to enter Liverpool harbour, engines going wild,
bumping into two ships. Finally after the second try they could find
their mooring.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53899/ADM%2053-53899-007_1.jpg
I
read the passage to my husband and he was cracking up. We're both
picture this ship moving like a person learning how to do a parallel
parking job.
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Ships usually picked up a pilot to go up the Mersey and often used
tugs as well. Perhaps her master was being either over confident or in
too much of a hurry to anchor in harbour and no doubt would suffer an
interesting time with his fellow captains at a Court of Inquiry.
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Sounds just like an extract from 'The Navy Lark' to me...
'Left hand down a bit....
Oops. :-[
Cor, Lumme!' :D
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All your comments on that incident made me curious. I also had a good laugh.
As
I was thrown a few days ahead, I cheated a bit ::) and
found that there was a court on board. As far as I know, after the
adjournment the court did not return on board.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53899/ADM%2053-53899-009_0.jpg
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:o ;D
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Good bye Liverpool. :'(
After nearly two months, six weeks
in dry dock, two or three fires on board without damages, HMS Orvieto
finally sails. This time with tug and pilot
Still very precise in her movements.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53901/ADM%2053-53901-014_1.jpg
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Don't know if you have seen this...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/82/Dkbkpl26.jpg)
I
couldn't help noticing the Exercised abandon ship stations and
particularly out collision mats. I know that both are standard practice,
but I suspect the crew was a bit more attentive than usual ;)
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No I haven't seen it. Thanks for posting it, very useful to understand where they passed.
Yes, I think that they remembered their catastrophic entrance to Liverpool, that's why the precautions taken.
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In some logs, Alfred Dock, East Float and West Float are said to be
in Liverpool but they are across the River Mersey in Birkenhead, about
two miles upstream from Canada Dock.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Dkbkpl31.jpg
(It looks like this is "Plate 2")
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Yes ;D
The address for Liverpool is: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/82/Dkbkpl26.jpg
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Juno's log, 23 December 1916: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45476/ADM%2053-45476-014_1.jpg
1.45 OOG took bullion to HMS Bramble.
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Juno's log, 23 December 1916: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45476/ADM%2053-45476-014_1.jpg
1.45 OOG took bullion to HMS Bramble.
Thank you Ma'am. I can't give you a receipt, that date is a hole in my pages.
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silly logkeeper (HMS Kinsha 3/11/1920)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45810/ADM%2053-45810-005_0.jpg
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silly logkeeper (HMS Kinsha 3/11/1920)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45810/ADM%2053-45810-005_0.jpg
Well, it was late ....
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;D
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(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/180721-21th.jpg)
Someone got carried away in transcribing pages to the log...
...15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th, 20th, 21th.... :-[
could happen to anyone! ;)
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;D
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Try and pronounce that ! :o ;D
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It's easy after several measures of grog ;D
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Maybe that's where Patuca's missing pints of rum are going
.... Every few weeks there's yet another entry saying that Cask so
and so should contain a certain number of gallons and pints, and is so
many pints short. They don't seem to find any way of preventing
this, but go on recording it in the log.
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I can't remember where Patuca is operating - but evaporation can get quite fierce at times!! ;D
That's their story & they're sticking to it ;)
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Maybe the ants that are holed up in the barometer are drinking it?
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;) ;D
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Juno's log, 6 January 1917: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45477/ADM%2053-45477-006_0.jpg
Note "height of barometer" reading at 8 pm: 32.23 .
Has anyone ever encountered a higher reading?
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Juno's log, 6 January 1917: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45477/ADM%2053-45477-006_0.jpg
Note "height of barometer" reading at 8 pm: 32.23 .
Has anyone ever encountered a higher reading?
I've seen 36.96.
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Thanks...was just wondering, and couldn't find anything that listed the "range" of readings that a barometer might show.
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Thanks...was just wondering, and couldn't find anything that listed the "range" of readings that a barometer might show.
Well, I've also seen someone post up a 99.somethingsomething reading; it was probably just an error by the captain. ;)
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Thanks...was just wondering, and couldn't find anything that listed the "range" of readings that a barometer might show.
http://www.sciencecompany.com/barometric/barometer.htm
"Note
that when using a weather barometer (usually with a scale range between
28 and 31 inches Hg) at a location above sea level, the reading must be
corrected back to sea level. This is automatically accomplished when
you initially match your barometer's reading to that reported by local
TV or radio weather forecast. These reported readings have already been
"corrected" to sea level, thus eliminating any pressure differences due
to elevation."
(Useful tip for you, there. Remember to adjust for sea level. ::) )
"Barometric Reading - Forecast
Over 30.20" Rising or steady - Continued fair
Slowing falling - Fair
Rapidly falling - Cloudy, Warmer
29.80" to 30.20" Rising or steady - Same as present
Slowing falling - Little change
Rapidly falling - Precipitation likely
Under 29.80" Rising or steady - Clearing, cooler
Slowing falling - Precipitation
Rapid falling - Storm "
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Lowest Barometric Pressure Ever Measured = 25.69 W. Pacific 10/12/1979 Typhoon Tip
The highest barometric pressure ever recorded on Earth was 32.06 inHg measured in Tonsontsengel, Mongolia on 19 December 2001
wikipedia
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I can't remember where Patuca is operating - but evaporation can get quite fierce at times!! ;D
That's their story & they're sticking to it ;)
They're in the north Atlantic - freezing is far more likely than evaporation!
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Don't try to confuse the issue with the facts ;)
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:D :D :D
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HMS Bramble Persian Gulf
"6 October 1918 1 on sick list
7 October 1918 4 on sick list
8 October 1918 4 on sick list
9 October 1918 4 on sick list
13 October 1918 4 on sick list
14 October 1918 4 on sick list
15 October 1918 12 on sick list
16 October 1918 17 on sick list
17 October 1918 40 on sick list
18 October 1918 48 on sick list
19 October 1918 65 on sick list
20 October 1918 60 on sick list at Basrah
2.05am Somali Jamma Hassen died
11.50 discharged 29 ratings to hospital
12.40pm dischd. 5 Seedies & 2 W.R. Servants to hospital
12.45 dischd. 3 officers to hospital
12.50 body of Jamma Hassen left ship for burial
5.40 discharged Captain to hospital
21 October 1918 0 on sick list
22 October 1918
7.30am discharged 3 ratings to hospital
6.0pm discharged 3 ratings to hospital
23 October 1918 0 on sick list
24 October 1918
9am 6 Seedies returned from hospital
4pm 1 Seedie dischd. to hospital
25 October 1918 0 on sick list "
HMS
Bramble was a modest 700 ton gunboat. I have not found the ship's
complement but a couple of days at sea with 60 on the sick list must
have been a testing time.
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Looks like you're seeing the effects of the 1918 inluenza pandemic
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic) in HMS Bramble - we've
just gone up to 43 sick in HMS Perth in late July 1918, which is
presumably the same thing... :'(
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I haven't read the influenza thread for a while, but it would be
interesting to compare the infection rates within a ship's company.
Amethyst experienced a very similar outbreak curve, peaking at about 45
sick I think, also in 1918 whilst in Gibraltar having stopped off in
Sierra Leone on the way back from the South Atlantic. Not a time
to be around methinks. :(
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HMS Perth, Perim Straits, 1918
15 Aug*
3.15 [am] Boarded City of Chester took off one case for Hospital (Typhoid)
[5pm] Local Dr visited ship but could not take the case into Hospital. PMO of HMS Topaze came on board to see sick man.
16 Aug**
8.30 [am] Entered Perim Harbour and discharged PMO to Topaze
[11am] Crew employed getting stores out of No 3 hold ready for fumigation
17 Aug***
7.20 [am] Fumigation plant came alongside
7.50 [am] Commenced fumigating ship
2.15 [pm] Fumigating lighter left
[6pm] Fumigation finished opened up hatches etc
18 Aug****
8.00 [am] discharged one sick passenger to Hospital also one Army NCO to shore
NB
1 not sure whether fumigation was related to either this typhoid case,
or the recent ?flu epidemic on board (I will post about that
separately!), or neither.
NB 2 very few hard geographical locations given in this period of log-keeping, not sure where last bit was - on 18th
*http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-55097/ADM%2053-55097-010_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-55097/ADM%2053-55097-010_1.jpg)
**http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-55097/ADM%2053-55097-011_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-55097/ADM%2053-55097-011_0.jpg)
***http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-55097/ADM%2053-55097-011_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-55097/ADM%2053-55097-011_1.jpg)
****http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-55097/ADM%2053-55097-012_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-55097/ADM%2053-55097-012_0.jpg)
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In answer to Press-ganged by the Swiss Navy, I have just noticed an
outbreak of something (it's not specified in the log) which may, or may
not, be influenza.
As you will see, it took about 1 week to peak,
another to abate significantly, then a fortnight more gradually getting
back to the mid-single figures, until the end of the fifth week by
which time the numbers had returned to the usual low single figures.
To look at the figures (& chart) please open the attachment.
NB the large divisions on the horizontal axis are weeks.
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Looks
like you're seeing the effects of the 1918 inluenza pandemic
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic) in HMS Bramble - we've
just gone up to 43 sick in HMS Perth in late July 1918, which is
presumably the same thing... :'(
I'm kicking myself because I had intended to postulate that it was Influenza. :-[
After that couple of days of uncompleted sick list returns (and 6 ratings sent to hospital) we had:
"6.35 Working party of 14 Lascars arrived from Dalhousie to assist mooring".
Whether or not we were moving to quarantine, we seem to have been short of manpower.
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HMS
Bramble was a modest 700 ton gunboat. I have not found the ship's
complement but a couple of days at sea with 60 on the sick list must
have been a testing time.
80 ratings (ordinary seamen), and 6 officers
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Although we must be careful not to jump to conclusions - not all
infectious diseases were influenza, even in Summer 1918. The epidemic
lasted from June 18 to Dec 20, so we're still at the beginning of the
global process here.
My main reason for scepticism is that that
particular pandemic, like the 2009 one, was the H1N1 strain which had a
mortality between 1 & 20%, and tended to affect the young and
healthy (i .e. our study group) preferentially*. We should be seeing
that proportion of 'burial at sea' or 'discharged dead' in such an
outbreak in a ship.
Diarrhoeal diseases (such as salmonellosis)
could cause just as rapid an outbreak, so we should be wary of ascribing
diagnoses without firm evidence.
* http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic
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Very useful to have a doctor on board! ;)
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As the current captain of the Bramble, I think I've caught what
they've got, so I'm going back to bed. (If I were male, I would describe
it as "man-flu" )
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As
the current captain of the Bramble, I think I've caught what they've
got, so I'm going back to bed. (If I were male, I would describe it as
"man-flu" )
Oops.
Sorry, Captain. I've already reported sending you to hospital on 20 October (today is the 19th!)
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=209.msg28111#msg28111
Jennfurr reckons more than half the crew is there.
Wrap up warm, and tell the wardroom to keep sending up the hot grog.
signal just received from their lordships at the Admiralty. "Get well immediately".
;)
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"Received 27 cases of milk from Dartmouth" - 28 Oct 1915, HMS Sapphire, Brindisi, Italy
Cappuccino crisis averted ;D
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Phew ! Another major disaster averted ! ;D
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HMS Bramble 6 November 1918 Basrah
Since 23rd October, there
has been a procession of ship's company to and from hospital. The
captain is back on board and funeral parties have twice been landed.
Strictly
speaking, "vaccination" is intended to be a protection against TB but
we have been cautioned not to jump to conclusions. So, this may be
associated with the recent mass illness with "vaccination" having been
misused for "inoculation":
"Hands mustered for vaccination".
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I was always told that vaccination came from the technique for early
small pox protection where cow pox was used as the agent. As I remember
from the dim and distant past of my school latin class vacca is the
latin for cow.
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From Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine#History
The
term vaccine derives from Edward Jenner's 1796 use of cow pox (Latin
variola vaccinia, adapted from the Latin vaccīn-us, from vacca cow), to
inoculate humans, providing them protection against smallpox.
...
Prior
to vaccination, inoculation was practised, and brought to the West in
1721 by Lady Mary Wortley Montagu, who showed it to Hans Sloane, the
King's physician.
...
Louis Pasteur generalized Jenner's idea by
developing what he called a rabies vaccine, and in the nineteenth
century vaccines were considered a matter of national prestige...
Diphtheria
vaccine was developed in the 20s. Polio vaccine came in the early
50s (I remember getting that one after some of my classmates died of
it.) The other early vaccines mentioned (measles, mumps, and
rubella) didn't exist in the 1940s and early 50s because I and my
younger siblings all were raised with the traditional treatment for
childhood diseases - go play with sick friends so you catch them while
you are very young. It mostly worked, but wasn't pleasant.
Could
the crew be getting some kind of old-fashioned innoculation
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inoculation), using the high-status
'vaccine' label?
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Diphtheria
vaccine was developed in the 20s. Polio vaccine came in the early
50s (I remember getting that one after some of my classmates died of
it.) The other early vaccines mentioned (measles, mumps, and
rubella) didn't exist in the 1940s and early 50s because I and my
younger siblings all were raised with the traditional treatment for
childhood diseases - go play with sick friends so you catch them while
you are very young. It mostly worked, but wasn't pleasant.
Could
the crew be getting some kind of old-fashioned innoculation
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inoculation), using the high-status
'vaccine' label?
Thanks, Janet,
I was too idle, or sleepy, to check on other pointy medical interventions, but I did wonder.
I
was always told that vaccination came from the technique for early
small pox protection where cow pox was used as the agent. As I remember
from the dim and distant past of my school latin class vacca is the
latin for cow.
And do you also remember "Agricola"? Not a Roman countryside drink, but "farmer".
"Arma virumque cano ... "
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hey, I have a book about Agricola and Roman Britain - :o
Kathy
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hey, I have a book about Agricola and Roman Britain - :o
Kathy
He didn't do much farming, though.
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Oh yes, Bunts! And I can still recite the famous latin love poem
amo
amas
amat
...
as well; in fact I might even remember some more verses if I rack my (failing) brains.
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amamus, amatis, amant (if memory serves me right ;D)
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Perfect!
And looking forwards... amabo, amabis, amabit, amabimus amabitis amabunt ;)
We used 'Latin for Beginners' at school (almost invariably vandalised to 'Eating for Beginners')
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;D
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HMS Sapphire seems to be the love boat :-*:-
"Read
banns of marriage (3rd time) of P.O.T. Vergine, R. Jarvis, S Pewnell
& J. Diblin" (corrections to the names welcome)
26 August 1917, Bombay
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59136/ADM%2053-59136-016_0.jpg
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I think the third bachelor of this ship is S. Pennell.
Certificate
of banns is (normally) valid for three months so, fingers crossed, they
should be hitched before Christmas, which would leave them with eleven
months before the Armistice.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46574/ADM%2053-46574-044_1.jpg
9:30
A.M. Rear-Admiral Grasset and Staff visited Ship and invested
Commander-in-Chief with Insignia of Commander of the Legion of Honour.
3:00 P.M. (ish) Discharged ratings on C.inC.'s personal Staff to Admiralty House.
Definitely one of the more interesting pages from this ship. Sorry for taking this page from you Jennfurr. :(
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Thanks, Cap'n Bunts! ;) I bet at the wedding(s) they drank
lots of gin. (Bombay Sapphire - geddit. Boom Boom. I'm here
all week and don't forget to tip the waitress)
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Thanks,
Cap'n Bunts! ;) I bet at the wedding(s) they drank lots of
gin. (Bombay Sapphire - geddit. Boom Boom. I'm here all week
and don't forget to tip the waitress)
I've seen the stuff. It looks very pretty, but we officer types stick to the pink variety, and just sign the chit.
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Thanks,
Cap'n Bunts! ;) I bet at the wedding(s) they drank lots of
gin. (Bombay Sapphire - geddit. Boom Boom. I'm here all week
and don't forget to tip the waitress)
I've seen the stuff. It looks very pretty, but we officer types stick to the pink variety, and just sign the chit.
pink gin fizz?
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Welland's log (on Dardanelles Patrol), 19 Feb 1915:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68367/ADM%2053-68367-012_1.jpg
8.5 Turkish battery near Kum Kale opened fire. Proceeded out of range.
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Welland's log, 26 February 1915: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68367/ADM%2053-68367-016_0.jpg
10.0 Took seaplane in tow.
10.15 Shipped seaplane, proc'd to Tenedos.
5 March 1915: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68367/ADM%2053-68367-019_1.jpg
11.30 Proceeded full speed to assist fallen seaplanes.
12.10 As req for recovering wreckage & attending seaplanes.
3.0 Fired on by concealed field battery.
5.0 Night defence stns provided ammunition.
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HMS Usk 18th April 1915 Dardanelles
8.25 Fired on hostile aeroplane
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-66569/ADM%2053-66569-027_1.jpg
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WHY!!!
Please see the 8.30 am entry:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62874/ADM%2053-62874-008_1.jpg
This sort of thing drives me batty! What were they doing that they had to do it under flag of truce? ???
ack...
Kathy W.
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Perhaps it was in German hands at that time?
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I'm wondering why the ship went there in the first place - if it was
at the time an enemy port, thus the flag of truce, why did the ship
have to go there, as opposed to Zanzibar, which was its base at the
time. Where did the motor boat come from? - was some neutral party
leaving Dar-es-Salaam? Some sort of humanitarian mission?
Kathy
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It may have been that, retrieving a negotiating team:
"By early 1916, there were over 1,000 African Schutztruppe
in the capital (Dar es Salaam). The British Navy bombarded Government House and the
railway workshops in December 1914, but otherwise the town itself did not
figure in military action until British forces moved in unopposed to occupy
Dar es Salaam on 4 September 1916 after a protracted siege."
http://eprints.soas.ac.uk/3189/1/Brennan_%26_Burton_chapter.pdf
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If I remember well, HMS Challenger did the same thing at Tanga Bay a
few month earlier. The purpose was to sent letters and medical stores
to POWs as well as letters to the local governor. A German speaking
officer allways accompanied each vessel who met the Germans. Usualy the
Enemy would sent a small craft and than meet the English boat off shore.
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HMS Goliath lobbed a few shells into Tanzania in March 1915 on the way to get sunk at the Dardanelles..
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-43263/ADM%2053-43263-012_0.jpg
http://www.oldweather.org/voyages?ship=Goliath
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HMS Goliath lobbed a few shells into Tanzania in March 1915 on the way to get sunk at the Dardanelles..
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-43263/ADM%2053-43263-012_0.jpg
http://www.oldweather.org/voyages?ship=Goliath
This
type of seemingly (from the logs) random shelling of shore, without any
indication of what they were aiming at, whether they hit it or anything
else is very reminiscent of the roles of the Cadmus sloops, Espiegle,
Clio and Odin in the Persian Gulf and Red Sea. It is always interesting
to read up on the background behind these conflicts.
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From HMS Motagua:
Acting Paymaster E Hayes RNR dismissed from service by sentence of Court Martial.
Unfortunately,
I don't know what he did, as it happened prior to my starting on her,
and my pages are skipping a lot of days. I looked around a bit by
url surfing but haven't run across it yet.
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I doubt the "why" will be online - I think that's one of the court records sealed for 99 years. :(
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From HMS Motagua:
Acting Paymaster E Hayes RNR dismissed from service by sentence of Court Martial.
Unfortunately,
I don't know what he did, as it happened prior to my starting on her,
and my pages are skipping a lot of days. I looked around a bit by
url surfing but haven't run across it yet.
Jumping to conclusions is my main form of exercise, so apologies to Mr Hayes ...
The
association of the noun "paymaster" and the verb "cashier" leads me to
suspect that there may have been a financial element to his departure. I
do not intend to imply that any irregularity was deliberate; he may
have employed a non-standard accounting procedure, as I did - my system
was superior(!), but the Royal Navy was probably inflexible in its
procedures.
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I had one paymaster who was disciplined for losing the keys to the
safe and not reporting it. As soon as this ship's done (should be
soon - it's jumped from 78% to 90+% in a manner of days), I'm going to
go see if anything's mentioned.
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http://www.oldweather.org/voyages?ship=Goliath
Brilliant!
I had no idea that there were movies available for any of the ships'
voyages - it's fascinating watching Goliath go up the East coast of
Africa!
However, I was a bit surprised by the Captain's operational decision regarding negotiating Suez...
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/150416-HMSGoliathSuez.png)
...whilst
it would have taken a heck of a lot of camels and native labourers, at
least the threat from submarines would have been significantly less.
(although,
I can't erase from the back of my mind a Pythonesque vision of
thousands of men being berated by the captain whilst pulling a ship over
the desert, desperately trying to escape from the submarine behind,
itself being pulled by hundreds of other men!! :D )
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;D ;D ;D
Starboard = right
Port = left ;)
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...whilst
it would have taken a heck of a lot of camels and native labourers, at
least the threat from submarines would have been significantly less.
(although,
I can't erase from the back of my mind a Pythonesque vision of
thousands of men being berated by the captain whilst pulling a ship over
the desert, desperately trying to escape from the submarine behind,
itself being pulled by hundreds of other men!! :D )
I've
got the picture of the cast doing that skit in my head and I'm laughing
hysterically. My husband thinks it's a great idea too!
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I think a lot of things we read about in the logs would be great Python material ;D
Kathy
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37094/ADM53-37094-027_1.jpg
The Carnarvon goes onto a war footing.
I
was lucky enough to get Armistice Day on the Changuinola, but this is
the first time I have had the start of the War. As I am on the
third pass through the logs (what's left of it!) I feel very fortunate
to have had this page to transcribe.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37094/ADM53-37094-027_1.jpg
The Carnarvon goes onto a war footing.
I
was lucky enough to get Armistice Day on the Changuinola, but this is
the first time I have had the start of the War. As I am on the
third pass through the logs (what's left of it!) I feel very fortunate
to have had this page to transcribe.
I'm just impressed that you can make out what the Surgeon Lieutenant actually wrote! :)
on
a serious note, though, it does send a shiver down the spine - I wonder
how surprised the W/T operator was to receive the message?
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I logged that period for the old sloop Torch, in the south
Pacific. It marked a total change in procedures. Because she
was so very old and slow, it also meant she was immediately stripped of
almost all her experienced crew and officers, and members of the RNVR
sailed her down to Aukland to be retired.
She taught me how a
ship that primarily depends on sails for motive power reacts to small
changes in wind, but there is no way she could have survived any part of
that war.
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Ok, so we're all used to seeing "Lost overboard [spanners, rope,
bucket, bag of potatoes etc]" how about this one from Christmas
Day 1917 -
"0.20 Seedie boy overboard."
"Stop and recovered."
Did he jump or was he pushed? And what is a Seedie boy anyway?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59140/ADM%2053-59140-015_1.jpg
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Ok,
so we're all used to seeing "Lost overboard [spanners, rope, bucket,
bag of potatoes etc]" how about this one from Christmas Day 1917 -
"0.20 Seedie boy overboard."
"Stop and recovered."
Did he jump or was he pushed? And what is a Seedie boy anyway?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59140/ADM%2053-59140-015_1.jpg
See: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=671.msg27743#msg27743
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Thanks randi_2!
Oh, a quick message to anyone who has worked
on HMS Bee. Sapphire met her in Muskat (Oman) in February 1918 - some
way from the Yangtzee, but perhaps she was the Slow Boat to China.
I wanted to cross check with Bee's logs but I can't find it as the log
sheets seem to be mixed up (respect to Captain and crew of the Bee who
logged soooo many weather records)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59142/ADM%2053-59142-007_1.jpg
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Welland's log, 25 March 1915: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68367/ADM%2053-68367-029_1.jpg
10.30 Boarded Greek steamer. Removed suspicious character for investigation.
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Welland's log, 4 April 1915: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68368/ADM%2053-68368-005_0.jpg
8.5 Proc'd astern of Prince of Wales.
8.40 Enemy forts opened fire.
10.30 Proc'd as req for Tenedos. 13 kts. Hands preparing kites for returning.
11.45 Went alongside storeship & returned 2-6 ft kites, drew 1-9 ft kite.
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Welland's log, 11 April 1915: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68368/ADM%2053-68368-008_1.jpg
11.0 Ship fired on by evening riflemen on shore.
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Welland's log, 11 April 1915: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68368/ADM%2053-68368-008_1.jpg
11.0 Ship fired on by evening riflemen on shore.
That's a mondegreen. ;D
It says:
11.00 Ship fired on by enemy riflemen on shore.
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HMS Juno 16 Sept 1917
Answered HMS Britomart's distress signal
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45483/ADM%2053-45483-011_0.jpg
Any Britomart crew know what that was about?
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HMS Clio, Red Sea, 12 Feb 18 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38075/ADM%2053-38075-009_0.jpg)
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Clio180212-coirfender.png)
'One Coir Fender lost overboard by accident, also one anchor stock (40 lbs)'
PS might it be worth setting up a separate thread (or sub-thread, if such a being exists) for 'lost overboard...' items?
Just a thought! :-\
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HMS Clio, Red Sea, 12 Feb 18 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38075/ADM%2053-38075-009_0.jpg)
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Clio180212-coirfender.png)
'One Coir Fender lost overboard by accident, also one anchor stock (40 lbs)'
PS might it be worth setting up a separate thread (or sub-thread, if such a being exists) for 'lost overboard...' items?
Just a thought! :-\
Only
if you want to search/find all the old ones and then talk one of the
moderators into manually transferring each to the new thread. Or
use the "quote" function to copy them manually yourself. :o
On
the other hand, starting any new thread you want for future "lost
overboard by an idiot" notes, that's free and open to anyone with the
will. ;D (That translation of the phrase was a genuine mondegreen
by a newbie who read a badly scrawled "accident" as "an idiot" -
considered very appropriate by all. ;) )
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HMS Juno 16 Sept 1917
Answered HMS Britomart's distress signal
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45483/ADM%2053-45483-011_0.jpg
Any Britomart crew know what that was about?
\
I
used the barometer page to find the previous and same day logs from the
Britomart herself. They apparently didn't tell the log keeper why
they were in distress.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36243/ADM%2053-36243-009_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36243/ADM%2053-36243-010_0.jpg
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On
the other hand, starting any new thread you want for future "lost
overboard by an idiot" notes, that's free and open to anyone with the
will. ;D (That translation of the phrase was a genuine mondegreen
by a newbie who read a badly scrawled "accident" as "an idiot" -
considered very appropriate by all. ;) )
I'd be willing to take up this challenge...
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It's all yours! :)
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Fingers crossed, here we go... :)
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Fingers crossed, here we go... :)
You
can always tell kids born well after WWII by the fact that they have no
regard for, or (perhaps) no knowledge of the expression "Never
volunteer!"
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Welland's log, 11 April 1915: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68368/ADM%2053-68368-008_1.jpg
11.0 Ship fired on by evening riflemen on shore.
That's a mondegreen. ;D
It says:
11.00 Ship fired on by enemy riflemen on shore.
Oh, my goodness! Thank you for catching that. I will correct it!
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Fingers crossed, here we go... :)
You
can always tell kids born well after WWII by the fact that they have no
regard for, or (perhaps) no knowledge of the expression "Never
volunteer!"
;D
You're right; I've never heard of that expression. ;D
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You
can always tell kids born well after WWII by the fact that they have no
regard for, or (perhaps) no knowledge of the expression "Never
volunteer!"
Now
you will have to explain exactly why the WWII generation does say it!
;D I - and the early baby boomer generation - remember older
people using it, but it never really took in my consciousness.
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Only if you want to search/find all the old ones and then... use the "quote" function to copy them manually yourself. :o
On
the other hand, starting any new thread* you want for future "lost
overboard by an idiot" notes, that's free and open to anyone with the
will. ;D
Done - both! ;)
*here (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=2155.0)
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;D
I stickyed it for you, to make all that effort permanent.
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Why thank you, JJ! ;D
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That was great stuff, heffkit. It makes a great addition to our collection here. Thanks.
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My pleasure, DJ_59 - I've had so much help and encouragement from
the forum, it's great to be able to make a contribution in return that
might be of some use to the community! ;D
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HMS Juno 16 Sept 1917
Answered HMS Britomart's distress signal
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45483/ADM%2053-45483-011_0.jpg
Any Britomart crew know what that was about?
\
I
used the barometer page to find the previous and same day logs from the
Britomart herself. They apparently didn't tell the log keeper why
they were in distress.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36243/ADM%2053-36243-009_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36243/ADM%2053-36243-010_0.jpg
I managed to edit the link to get the page for the 17th which gives more information
Diver reported Britomarts port tail end shaft fractured
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45483/ADM%2053-45483-011_1.jpg
Sounds painful ;D
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Yeah, you don't even want to know where they put the Cortisone shot for that.
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Welland's log, 25 April 1915: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68368/ADM%2053-68368-015_1.jpg
8--- Boarded Italian steamer "Washington" of Venice from Alexandria to Vomilat
etc. Detained her until orders re her disposal received.
Cargo conditional contraband, & passengers under suspicion.
3.45 Closed SS Washington. Placed prize crew on board.
4.30 Proc'd, escorting SS "Washington"
11.30 Sent boat to "Washington"
PS--if anyone has any better guesses as to the destination of this ship ???, I'd love to hear them.
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Welland's log, 25 April 1915: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68368/ADM%2053-68368-015_1.jpg
8--- Boarded Italian steamer "Washington" of Venice from Alexandria to Vomilat
etc. Detained her until orders re her disposal received.
Cargo conditional contraband, & passengers under suspicion.
3.45 Closed SS Washington. Placed prize crew on board.
4.30 Proc'd, escorting SS "Washington"
11.30 Sent boat to "Washington"
PS--if anyone has any better guesses as to the destination of this ship ???, I'd love to hear them.
I'm
drawing a blank on this one. All I can find is that she's a
passenger transport ship, and that she's torpedoed and sunk off the
coast of Italy in a year. Even the Fuzzy Gazetteer is stumped on
this one. I'd say it's "vomit" and call it even?
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Heave to, Welland... ;)
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Heave to, Welland... ;)
(Nnnnh!)
I hope that "Heave" works in American English.
It's
too good to miss, so I'll risk patronising szukacz with an explanation
of "heave": one meaning is the involuntary contraction of abdomenal area
and stomach immediately prior to "being sick" or vomiting.
While
I'm at it, "to wretch" is the attempt to vomit but without producing any
discharge. If you've ever been sea-sick you will recognise the
combination heaving and wretching; even when the stomach has emptied its
contents, the action can continue for ages after dry land has been
reached. (And at least one train from Dun Laoghaire didn't have toilets,
but it did have big, opening windows.)
I hope that no one is eating supper, breakfast, lunch, dinner, tea ....
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Jennfurr, coming from Alexandria to your patrol are, V~~~~ has to be
in the Aegean, but looking at both Google and David Rumsey maps, I
can't find anything like that in the Aegean or on my old map from Torch
in the Black and Marmara Seas. I did try.
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Jennfurr,
coming from Alexandria to your patrol are, V~~~~ has to be in the
Aegean, but looking at both Google and David Rumsey maps, I can't find
anything like that in the Aegean or on my old map from Torch in the
Black and Marmara Seas. I did try.
Oh
lordy - I just plotted the lat/long of the Welland at noon (near Izmir,
Turkey). If the Washington is going from Alexandria to the
Vomit-city, it could be any of the small Greek Islands or something near
Turkey end of the Welland's patrol. Either way, that leaves a lot
of room for language error.
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Jennfurr,
coming from Alexandria to your patrol are, V~~~~ has to be in the
Aegean, but looking at both Google and David Rumsey maps, I can't find
anything like that in the Aegean or on my old map from Torch in the
Black and Marmara Seas. I did try.
Oh
lordy - I just plotted the lat/long of the Welland at noon (near Izmir,
Turkey). If the Washington is going from Alexandria to the
Vomit-city, it could be any of the small Greek Islands or something near
Turkey end of the Welland's patrol. Either way, that leaves a lot
of room for language error.
I think it ends with an "h" but the only thing I could find was Voula south of Athens. On the coast but no suggestion of a port.
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:o You all are amazing--generously expending your time
to figure out the destination of a particular ship, briefly mentioned in
the Welland's log. Although the mystery remains, I am humbled by
the energy that each and all of you brought to working on the problem.
Thank you.
C.
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Inspired to do a little more fuzzy gazeteering, I must ask:
what do you think of Vounia in Cyprus? If I squint and take away
the downstroke on the "g" of Washington from the line above....
Could it just be a misspelling?
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Inspired
to do a little more fuzzy gazeteering, I must ask: what do you
think of Vounia in Cyprus? If I squint and take away the
downstroke on the "g" of Washington from the line above.... Could
it just be a misspelling?
I
saw that city, but it still didn't fit to me... and if that's an i
superimposed with a g, then we're missing his displaced i-dot.
...and ship research is what I do in the wee hours of the night/morning when the baby's up!
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HMS Princess, 12 Dec 16 (http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Princess181212-breakfast.png)
OK, I accept it's not particularly riveting, but has anyone else come across this:
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Princess181212-breakfast.png)
In my experience, this is the first time in months of logs that anyone has had breakfast!!
[EDIT -20 mins later]
...and tiffin! ;D
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Princess181212-tea.png)
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I've seen it a few times. I think it is when the log keeper is bored. ;)
Sometimes supper or tea, more frequently dinner, rarely up spirits.
Here
are some mentions new loggers dropped all mention of location --- but
meals noted
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=694.msg10137#msg10137)
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HMS Princess, 13 Dec 16 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-55863/ADM%2053-55863-008_1.jpg)
Had
occasion to reprimand Acting Lieut F Keir RNR for negligently
performing his duties as officer of the watch during the middle watch on
the morning of the 12th. December.
C L Lewin captain R.N.
Read by me. L Forbes Keir. Actg Lieut. RNR
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ah, 4.00 Tea everyday on the Foxglove - as first, I thought that was captivating - Look, they have tea!, but after a while, I was just yeah, yeah, tea and then supper ;D
Kathy
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HMS Cumberland 5 Dec. 1917 at sea (eastbound from US)
"passed 6 masted schooner standg. S.Ward"
Mentioning the 6 masts suggests he was impressed, as am I.
Just one short of the record, apparently.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schooner
Not very pretty, IMO; ungainly like SS Eastland.
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;D That 7-mast schooner looks like the outcome of a pub
conversation....or you can imagine a the exchange between a blustering
ruddy-faced trader and cringing navel architect:
"I want
more masts!! More sails! It will make it go faster so I can make more
money. That upstart Wilberforce said I was a fool, but I bet him a
hundred dollars that it would work and could beat his vulgar coal-fired
steamers "
"Well, sir, it might go a bit faster, but turning her might be a tricky";
"Don't give me excuses give me results! Or I swear you will never work in this town again!"
*sigh* "Yes, sir."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_W._Lawson_(ship)
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ah, 4.00 Tea everyday on the Foxglove - as first, I thought that was captivating - Look, they have tea!, but after a while, I was just yeah, yeah, tea and then supper ;D
Kathy
In
the past, when I've run across a new event (like "Tea!"), I would
always transcribe it. On the Welland, the "new" phrase was "Night
defence stns. provided ammunition." After the 40th time, I'm less
inclined to do so, as it has now be come "routine," much like
"Hands cleaning ship and chipping paint, as req'te." But
then, something unusual will get bundled into a particular entry or
added at the end, and then I usually transcribe the whole entry, routine
stuff and all. It's a struggle between what we "should"
transcribe, and how much additional effort I feel like expending...
Still,
as I have been reminded, the focus is on the weather stuff, and the
rest is just icing on the cake for those of us who like the brief
glimpses into shipboard life back then.
C.
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I know - I have stopped recording the mundane - cleaning, painting,
tea, supper, etc., but I also will include it if it is a part of
something else -
Kathy
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;D That 7-mast schooner looks like the outcome of a pub
conversation....or you can imagine a the exchange between a blustering
ruddy-faced trader and cringing navel architect:
"I want
more masts!! More sails! It will make it go faster so I can make more
money. That upstart Wilberforce said I was a fool, but I bet him a
hundred dollars that it would work and could beat his vulgar coal-fired
steamers "
"Well, sir, it might go a bit faster, but turning her might be a tricky";
"Don't give me excuses give me results! Or I swear you will never work in this town again!"
*sigh* "Yes, sir."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_W._Lawson_(ship)
See also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_W._Lawson_%28ship%29
almost 500 ft and a crew of 19 including captain and pilot.
Compare that with:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preu%C3%9Fen_%28ship%29
almost 500 ft and double the crew.
Both
came to a sorry and premature end: 5 & 8 years service
respectively, 17 lives lost on the former (gruesome circumstances) but
none on the latter.
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ah, 4.00 Tea everyday on the Foxglove - as first, I thought that was captivating - Look, they have tea!, but after a while, I was just yeah, yeah, tea and then supper ;D
Kathy
In
the past, when I've run across a new event (like "Tea!"), I would
always transcribe it. On the Welland, the "new" phrase was "Night
defence stns. provided ammunition." After the 40th time, I'm less
inclined to do so, as it has now be come "routine," much like
"Hands cleaning ship and chipping paint, as req'te." But
then, something unusual will get bundled into a particular entry or
added at the end, and then I usually transcribe the whole entry, routine
stuff and all. It's a struggle between what we "should"
transcribe, and how much additional effort I feel like expending...
Still,
as I have been reminded, the focus is on the weather stuff, and the
rest is just icing on the cake for those of us who like the brief
glimpses into shipboard life back then.
C.
Sums our job up perfectly, CHommel (and wendolk):
the quotidian for a given ship is taken as read, the exceptional is transcribed... ;)
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HMS Princess, 12 Dec 16 (http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Princess181212-breakfast.png)
OK, I accept it's not particularly riveting, but has anyone else come across this:
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Princess181212-breakfast.png)
In my experience, this is the first time in months of logs that anyone has had breakfast!!
[EDIT -20 mins later]
...and tiffin! ;D
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Princess181212-tea.png)
and now, 18 days later, a third meal...!
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Princess181230-dinner.png)
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Hello heffkit
Here you got the whole collection on meals on one day, as they usually have onboard of HMS Mantua while at harbour. ;D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48292/ADM%2053-48292-014_0.jpg
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Hello heffkit
Here you got the whole collection on meals on one day, as they usually have onboard of HMS Mantua while at harbour. ;D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48292/ADM%2053-48292-014_0.jpg
Very impressive - not just a full set, but all piped, too! ;D ;D
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See also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_W._Lawson_%28ship%29
almost 500 ft and a crew of 19 including captain and pilot.
Compare that with:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preu%C3%9Fen_%28ship%29
almost 500 ft and double the crew.
Both
came to a sorry and premature end: 5 & 8 years service
respectively, 17 lives lost on the former (gruesome circumstances) but
none on the latter.
[/quote]
Nice!
This one you can actually go on holiday on if you have a few guineas to spare....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Clipper
http://www.starclippers.com/
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Hello heffkit
Here you got the whole collection on meals on one day, as they usually have onboard of HMS Mantua while at harbour. ;D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48292/ADM%2053-48292-014_0.jpg
Very impressive - not just a full set, but all piped, too! ;D ;D
Haggis four times a day ???
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Roll on Burns Night... ;D
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HMS Cumberland 7 Dec 1917 at sea (Eastbound, Nth Atlantic)
Shepherding a convoy of 12 ships.
Winds increasing throughout the night to force 11 (highest I've seen in Nth Atlantic)
Courses
were 5 degrees either side of due East until SSW wind reached force 10
then ship headed SSW into wind at 1 knot. (Sauve qui peut! * as the French have it.)
8 Dec
2.0am Force 10 "3 of convoy in sight"
8.0am Force 6 "1 of convoy in sight"
wind veers steadily to NW, ship turns to keep head into wind
11.0am A/c to N78E
12noon A/c to N72E
3.0pm Force 6 "6 ships of convoy in Co."
6.0pm Force 6 "9 ships of convoy in Co."
Despite this inclement weather, there is no mention of anything lost or damaged.
9 Dec
11.0am "10 ships of convoy in Co."
* Often translated as "Everyman for himself" but I am advised that it's more of a "Save yourself, if you can."
Randi, Els?
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Roll on Burns Night... ;D
No bread!
You'll have neeps and tatties like everyone else.
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Welland, 16 May 1915: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68368/ADM%2053-68368-026_0.jpg
1.30 As req for attending on Doris during bombardment of searchlights on shore.
3.30 Resumed patrol.
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Welland's log, 19 May 1915: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68368/ADM%2053-68368-027_1.jpg
8.45 Hands empl'd refitting cab pendant & cleaning guns
9.15 Fired on by guns at Palio Tabia Point.
--Good thing they'd just finished cleaning theirs.
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Welland's log, 19 May 1915: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68368/ADM%2053-68368-027_1.jpg
8.45 Hands empl'd refitting cab pendant & cleaning guns
9.15 Fired on by guns at Palio Tabia Point.
--Good thing they'd just finished cleaning theirs.
"Oh, you're not going to fire that, are you? I've only just got it clean!"
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Welland's log, 19 May 1915: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68368/ADM%2053-68368-027_1.jpg
8.45 Hands empl'd refitting cab pendant & cleaning guns
9.15 Fired on by guns at Palio Tabia Point.
--Good thing they'd just finished cleaning theirs.
"Oh, you're not going to fire that, are you? I've only just got it clean!"
No, it's "hurry up - put the guns back together - they're firing at us!"
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Roll on Burns Night... ;D
No bread!
You'll have neeps and tatties like everyone else.
Stop it! You guys keep making me look things up because I don't speak your version of English!!
(I knew tatties, but not neeps)
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No Jenfurr, neeps isn't English it's Scots which the SNP regard as a
separate language but this isn't the place to go down that route.
There are people down in the South East of England who wouldn't
understand it either.
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Stop it! You guys keep making me look things up because I don't speak your version of English!!
(I knew tatties, but not neeps)
Sorry!
(Not really) ;)
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Roll on Burns Night... ;D
No bread!
You'll have neeps and tatties like everyone else.
Stop it! You guys keep making me look things up because I don't speak your version of English!!
(I knew tatties, but not neeps)
And the really genuine article is 'champit tatties and bashed neeps' .... ::)
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And the really genuine article is 'champit tatties and bashed neeps' .... ::)
You mean some people cook them ???
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And the really genuine article is 'champit tatties and bashed neeps' .... ::)
Presumably "champit" and "bashed" are two different sorts of batter ...
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And the really genuine article is 'champit tatties and bashed neeps' .... ::)
Presumably "champit" and "bashed" are two different sorts of batter ...
More mashed than battered ....
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And the really genuine article is 'champit tatties and bashed neeps' .... ::)
Presumably "champit" and "bashed" are two different sorts of batter ...
More mashed than battered ....
Sounds like we're getting dangerously close to that 'Glasgow kiss' again... ;)
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More mashed than battered ....
Oh, yes!
;D
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HMS Bristol - 16 July 1914 - Puerto Mexico
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69477/ADM53-69477-016_1.jpg
10:00am - Empl'd preparing Ship for refugees + as req
4:00pm - Embarked refugees, members of Ex President Huerta's household
18 July - Puerto Mexico (still)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69477/ADM53-69477-017_1.jpg
12:30pm - Landed refugees
???
20 July - Puerto Mexico (still)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69477/ADM53-69477-018_1.jpg
3:00pm - General Huerta visited ship
4:00pm - Embarked refugees
6:45pm - Sailed "Dresden" with General Huerta
28 July - Vera Cruz
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69477/ADM53-69477-025_1.jpg
3:00pm - Disembarked Refugees. (Mexican)
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Welland, 25 May 1915: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68368/ADM%2053-68368-030_1.jpg
11.30 Stopped. Received 1 Turk & 1 Greek, prisoners, from Greek caique suspected of espionage.
6.30 Received 5 prisoners from fishing boat. Placed them under armed guard.
Wikipedia says a caique is a "...traditional fishing boat used found among the waters of the Ionian or Aegean seas."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ca%C3%AFque
26 May 1915: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68368/ADM%2053-68368-031_0.jpg
12.0 (Midnight) Discharged 3 prisoners to "Wear" under armed guard.
10.0 Discharged 2 released prisoners to Greek caique.
6.45 Fired at by field battery.
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Welland, 27 May 1915: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68368/ADM%2053-68368-031_1.jpg
8.30 Closed "Wear." Discharged 2 Turkish prisoners to "Wear".
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Welland's log, 29 May 1915: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68368/ADM%2053-68368-032_1.jpg
7.0 Drew fresh meat. Landed escort to search for absentees.
10.0 Escort & 4 prisoners returned.
10.15 Landed escort
12.15 Escort & 3 prisoners returned. Weighed & proc'd as reqte. for leaving harbour.
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Welland, 30 May 1915: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68368/ADM%2053-68368-033_0.jpg
6.35 Fired on by enemy submarine (Turkish) as req. for chasing same at full speed, gun action, engaged submarine.
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More action on the Welland, 2 June 1915: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68369/ADM%2053-68369-004_0.jpg
8.40 Proc'd as req for intercepting Turkish caique.
9.0 Captured caique, brought 3 prisoners onboard.
10.40 Proc'd for Port Iero with prize in tow, Co S15E 8.5 kts.
3.45 Turned over prize to "Euryalus"
7.30 Discharged 3 prisoners to "Euryalus."
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Welland's log, 4 June 1915: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68369/ADM%2053-68369-005_0.jpg
7.30 Closed "Wear". Co & speed as req for patrol, & searching for survivors of Casabianca.
9.15 Boarded Greek caique.
Googled "Casabianca" and found the following on the "Wreck Site" ( http://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?58599 )
CASABIANCA
was a French Navy Torpedo Cruiser of 970 tons of the D?iberville Class.
In 1913 she was converted to a minelayer. On the night of the 3rd/4th
June 1915, Turkey, off Smyrna she was sunk when hitting one of her own
mines. The Allies attempted to blockade Smyrna and close off the Gulf of
Smyrna with minefields. During the operation, "Casabianca" blew up and
sank on one of her own mines.
6 June 1915: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68369/ADM%2053-68369-006_0.jpg
4.30 As req for entering Port Afano. Action Stns.
5.10 Opened fire on Turkish snipers & shipping, and assisted in covering Kennet's whaler.
6.0 Destroyed stranded picket boat by gunfire.
8.45 Hands cleaning ship & stowing fired cylinders. 4-12 pr 8 cwt empty cylinders lost overboard during action.
10.30 Read prayers. Piped down.
5.15 Stopped as req for salvage of gear from waterlogged cutter of ~~ "Casabianca"
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Really in the thick of it ...
Better to destroy one of our abandoned picket boats than one of our working submarines.
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Clio's log, 4 April 1918: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38077/ADM%2053-38077-005_0.jpg
0.40 Stopped & boarded dhow, took crew prisoners, & sank dhow.
5 April 1918: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38077/ADM%2053-38077-005_1.jpg
10.30 Handed over to military custody 9 prisoners of war.
6 April 1915: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38077/ADM%2053-38077-006_0.jpg
9.10 Took dhow in tow from Camaran launch Crew in custody on board.
1.30 Handed over to Military, prize dhow & five prisoners.
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HMS Princess, 22 May 17
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-55868/Z1-ADM53-55868-014_0.jpg)
- en route from Zanzibar to Durban
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Princess170522-clocksretarded.png)
It just struck me, I wonder whether there was a standard procedure for recording the time of clock changes...
Would the recorded time (in this case 5.00 - or just possibly 5.50!!) be the old time or the new time?
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It just struck me, I wonder whether there was a standard procedure for recording the time of clock changes...
Would the recorded time (in this case 5.00 - or just possibly 5.50!!) be the old time or the new time?
Having lain awake far longer than 9 minutes worrying about that very point, I determined that the time shown would be the new time, as the expression used is in the past tense. That decision solved my insomnia.
dorbel will be able to answer from personal experience rather than a linguistic assumption.
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It just struck me, I wonder whether there was a standard procedure for recording the time of clock changes...
Would the recorded time (in this case 5.00 - or just possibly 5.50!!) be the old time or the new time?
Having lain awake far longer than 9 minutes worrying about that very point, I determined that the time shown would be the new time, as the expression used is in the past tense. That decision solved my insomnia.
dorbel will be able to answer from personal experience rather than a linguistic assumption.
The trouble with linguistics is that a participle, whilst commonly past (as in 'was retarded'), can be present ('is being retarded') or future ('is about to be retarded'), and can even be adjectival (as in 'the retarded clock') - the logs strip the language of its finesse...
...so we have to rely on experiential empiricism, methinks
- and I hope that doesn't bode for another night's buntian insomnia... ;D
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The trouble with linguistics is that a participle, whilst commonly past (as in 'was retarded'), can be present ('is being retarded') or future ('is about to be retarded'), and can even be adjectival (as in 'the retarded clock') - the logs strip the language of its finesse...
...so we have to rely on experiential empiricism, methinks
- and I hope that doesn't bode for another night's buntian insomnia... ;D
Mere semantics, my Dear Sir.
I
have no cause the doubt the word of an officer and a gentleman. He has
composed a complete sentence, albeit passive, using the perfect tense
intransitively. The fact that, in general, logkeepers write in jargon
will not shake my faith in this officer's grammatical integrity.
In
addition to that, I have a conscience bottle of Dr. Macallan's Sleeping
Mixture so, as helenj would doubtless attest, "all manner of thing shall
be well". Not that I'm suggesting that she has ever been treated by the good Dr. Macallan. (Although it wouldn't surprise me if she had.) ;D
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I like to visit the Captain, Morgan by name, when I am under the
weather or in need of treatment. I understand Drs. Beam and Walker
also have a thriving practice.
;D
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In
addition to that, I have a conscience bottle of Dr. Macallan's Sleeping
Mixture so, as helenj would doubtless attest, "all manner of thing
shall be well". Not that I'm suggesting that she has ever been treated by the good Dr. Macallan. (Although it wouldn't surprise me if she had.) ;D
Terrible
confession coming up - I'm a Scot (more or less) who doesn't like
whisky. Gin and tonic is more my tipple .... ;)
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I
like to visit the Captain, Morgan by name, when I am under the weather
or in need of treatment. I understand Drs. Beam and Walker also
have a thriving practice.
;D
You are, obviously, a virtuous, spiritual person.
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;D ;D
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In addition to that, I have a conscience bottle of Dr. Macallan's Sleeping Mixture so, as helenj would doubtless attest, "all manner of thing shall be well". Not that I'm suggesting that she has ever been treated by the good Dr. Macallan. (Although it wouldn't surprise me if she had.) ;D
Any friend of Julian is a friend of mine... ;D
...also, if needed in my case for any storm, it's Dr Port (which is quite appropriate here on several levels - not least sea!)
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Any friend of Julian is a friend of mine... ;D
...also, if needed in my case for any storm, it's Dr Port (which is quite appropriate here on several levels - not least sea!)
Yep, always nice to vada their dolly old eeks.
Hope the storms don't occur during working hours.
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HMS Princess, 16 Jun 1917
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-55869/Z1-ADM53-55869-011_0.jpg)
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Princess170617-drtohosp.png)
.. or perhaps more physician heal thyself? ;)
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Clio's log, 19 April (although the log keeper did not fill in this
page, it's 1918):
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38077/ADM%2053-38077-012_1.jpg
11.0 5 prisoners of war embarked.
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I have one from HMS Odin that you don't see very often 28 Jan 1920
"Landing party foot inspection" or words to that effect.
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I
have one from HMS Odin that you don't see very often 28 Jan 1920
"Landing party foot inspection" or words to that effect.
Looking for signs of Marianas Trench Foot?
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Clio's log, 12 June 1918: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38079/ADM%2053-38079-009_0.jpg
5.35 (a.m.) Armed party returned with Mustapha & staff, secure from Night Defence.
5.55 (p.m.) Discharged Mustapha & staff to shore.
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HMS Juno, 5th April 1916, (in Bushire I think as no location, but
sending supplies to shore field gun crews). Log entry attached shows Mr
Bradshaw - Gunner, being 'Cautioned' for an excessive wine bill. Good
job they can't see my wife's......
Link: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-45469/ADM%2053-45469-005_1.jpg
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HMS Juno, secured snugly in harbour for weeks, with nothing untoward
happening. Suddenly on 12th April, she up sticks, steams full speed
down Red Sea (even through the night which is almost unheard of, even in
war) until 5-54pm on 13th when she suddenly stops. See
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-45469/ADM%2053-45469-009_1.jpg
Log entry says 'transacts business with HMS'.......
Blank, Nada, Zip. The Commodore is away, so maybe the Captain is having a private venture?
However, the excitement is not over, as Juno then proceeds onward at full speed. More to follow later...?
Nope. Got to Bombay and anchored up. Can only think they had placed a take away order...... ;D
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Unusual way to celebrate Christmas on HMS Lancaster
Esquimalt, Christmas Day 1918.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46039/ADM%2053-46039-015_1.jpg
See 7.30pm.
"Fire in Gunners Ready Use Store. Went to fire stations."
Fortunately it didnt last long and was not serious as they "Secured" at 7.35.
K
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HMS Clio, 9th July 1919 off Port Sudan; involved in searching for
the Tug "Wapping". No idea what has happened to the tug or what caused
to her to be 'mis-placed'.
See link at 2-45pm: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38086/ADM%2053-38086-007_1.jpg
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HMS Cumberland December 1918 :
Navigating Officer, Lt. C.dr. (N) A. Beauchamp St. John, is using green ink to write December logs. Here is a sample page:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-39073/ADM%2053-39073-008_1.jpg
I was wondering why he chose green ink. :)
It
is quite hard to read logs, as green ink faded, especially in the date
area. Possibly something else happened as some logs look like if ink has
been washed away.
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I bet there were quite a few sighs of relief at the end of this day:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57790/ADM%2053-57790-007_1.jpg
Kathy
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HMS Cumberland December 1918 :
Navigating Officer, Lt. C.dr. (N) A. Beauchamp St. John, is using green ink to write December logs. Here is a sample page:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-39073/ADM%2053-39073-008_1.jpg
I was wondering why he chose green ink. :)
It
is quite hard to read logs, as green ink faded, especially in the date
area. Possibly something else happened as some logs look like if ink has
been washed away.
In a December on Suffolk, the captain started writing in purple ink. These captains and their fascination with colors. ;D
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oh that green is horrid!
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Yep.
It's almost "Sea Green" on my printer.
Apologies, Lieut.
Lollia, I got that book at the end of the evening. Half a dozen pages
and I was going cross-eyed. You certainly made good progress. I think
some transcribers must have given up at that point because, despite your
recent activity, I still have December pages to transcribe.
Who's a lucky boy, then? ;)
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"Held swimming sport in Colliope Dock".
Wiki:
The Calliope Dock is a historical stone drydock
on the grounds of the Devonport Naval Base, in Devonport, Auckland, New
Zealand. It was built in 1888 to service ships of the British Royal
Navy, and is still in use today.
I hope that they had water! ;D
Calliope (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-73188/ADM%2053-73188-082_1.jpg)
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I found this to be an interesting page from the Ribble - there were
at least 54 different zig zag patterns. I wonder if new patterns
were developed for each individual convoy, based on the number of ships
in it, or if there was a general guide detailing all the possible
patterns - does anyone know about this? Here is the page -
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57790/ADM%2053-57790-024_1.jpg
Kathy
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HMS Chatham
10.30 American Consul came in board
10.50 American Consul left ship. Fired salut 11 guns 8)
20 minutes walk and the boom of 11 guns. ;D
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Yep.
It's almost "Sea Green" on my printer.
Apologies,
Lieut. Lollia, I got that book at the end of the evening. Half a dozen
pages and I was going cross-eyed. You certainly made good progress. I
think some transcribers must have given up at that point because,
despite your recent activity, I still have December pages to transcribe.
Who's a lucky boy, then? ;)
Hi Bunting Tosser,
I
hope you reached December 22nd, 1918. At Noon, Navigating Officer ran
out of green ink and I am under the impression he ran away, too.
From
that point a new handwriting, very clear indeed, appears. The new
Navigating Officer used black ink and that makes reading much more
comfortable. :)
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Yep.
It's almost "Sea Green" on my printer.
Apologies,
Lieut. Lollia, I got that book at the end of the evening. Half a dozen
pages and I was going cross-eyed. You certainly made good progress. I
think some transcribers must have given up at that point because,
despite your recent activity, I still have December pages to transcribe.
Who's a lucky boy, then? ;)
Hi Bunting Tosser,
I
hope you reached December 22nd, 1918. At Noon, Navigating Officer ran
out of green ink and I am under the impression he ran away, too.
From
that point a new handwriting, very clear indeed, appears. The new
Navigating Officer used black ink and that makes reading much more
comfortable. :)
I don't envy anyone transcribing the log with 'sea green' ink. That is awful! Good luck.
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Hi Bunting Tosser,
I
hope you reached December 22nd, 1918. At Noon, Navigating Officer ran
out of green ink and I am under the impression he ran away, too.
From
that point a new handwriting, very clear indeed, appears. The new
Navigating Officer used black ink and that makes reading much more
comfortable. :)
Thanks for the good news, Silvia. I hadn't.
I've
not been hiding today, a five year old (and a girl at that ::) )
has been demanding more attention and patience than I thought I
possessed; and her mother is no easier; and the laptop is out on loan. :-\
OK. Teeth gritted. Spirits raised. Ready to walk on water. ;D
Bunts
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HMS Chatham
10.30 American Consul came in board
10.50 American Consul left ship. Fired salut 11 guns 8)
20 minutes walk and the boom of 11 guns. ;D
"And if you dare to come back, you'll get more of the same!" ;D
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I
found this to be an interesting page from the Ribble - there were at
least 54 different zig zag patterns. I wonder if new patterns were
developed for each individual convoy, based on the number of ships in
it, or if there was a general guide detailing all the possible patterns -
does anyone know about this? Here is the page -
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57790/ADM%2053-57790-024_1.jpg
Kathy
During my time on HMS Ribble, I remarked on this variety of ZZ.
Janet J posted: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1105.msg24231#msg24231
And, I think, bpb42 reposted DJ_59's http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/onipubno30.htm
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
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Hi Bunts,
I
didn't post that USN document, but I did post some pages from HMS
Virginian showing diagrams of the zig-zag patterns they were using.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67710/ADM%2053-67710-012_1.jpg
Regards,
Bernie
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Hi Bunts,
I didn't post that USN
document, but I did post some pages from HMS Virginian showing diagrams
of the zig-zag patterns they were using.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67710/ADM%2053-67710-012_1.jpg
Regards,
Bernie
Thanks, Bernie.
I knew you were implicated in some way that made an impression on my always poor, now deteriorating memory. :-[
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Hi Bunting Tosser,
I
hope you reached December 22nd, 1918. At Noon, Navigating Officer ran
out of green ink and I am under the impression he ran away, too.
From
that point a new handwriting, very clear indeed, appears. The new
Navigating Officer used black ink and that makes reading much more
comfortable. :)
Ah! Bliss!
Made it.
I'm going to report the Green Ink Monster to the PTB.
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HMS Cumberland : May 21st, 1919
Baptised in the Church of England the children of Charles Joseph Henry Goring and Winnie Oustina Goring (nee Linwood).
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-39075/0061_1.jpg
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Fascinating - four of them. I think the name of the father is
Charles, the nee means that her name before marriage or maiden name was
Linwood. We have borrowed the french form, blame the Normans. I
suspect that there was no anglican priest on the island and so the visit
of HMS Cumberland (with Chaplain?) offered an opportunity to baptise
their children.
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Fascinating
- four of them. I think the name of the father is Charles, the nee
means that her name before marriage or maiden name was Linwood. We have
borrowed the french form, blame the Normans. I suspect that there
was no anglican priest on the island and so the visit of HMS Cumberland
(with Chaplain?) offered an opportunity to baptise their children.
The
system does not accept the correct spelling for nee. I am sorry the
first e has an acute accent, but I could not find a way to convince the
forum 'to type' that letter. :)
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Approaching Halifax, NS, on 25th Sept' 1918, HMS Virginian attacks an iceberg..
'9.30 Exercised action on iceberg. 9 rounds per gun.
10.10 Cease fire.'
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67743/ADM%2053-67743-015_1.jpg
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Approaching Halifax, NS, on 25th Sept' 1918, HMS Virginian attacks an iceberg..
'9.30 Exercised action on iceberg. 9 rounds per gun.
10.10 Cease fire.'
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67743/ADM%2053-67743-015_1.jpg
Titanic Avenged!
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Approaching Halifax, NS, on 25th Sept' 1918, HMS Virginian attacks an iceberg..
'9.30 Exercised action on iceberg. 9 rounds per gun.
10.10 Cease fire.'
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67743/ADM%2053-67743-015_1.jpg
Titanic Avenged!
;D
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Probably one of the most riveting pages I have transcribed.
I just joined HMS Victorian to help finish her off and two pages in I got to this one.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67414/ADM%2053-67414-015_0.jpg
It
tells of the arrival of her convoy from Sydney to London, including the
gradual wind down of the watch level, the end of zig zagging, the
unloading of guns and setting of mines to safe etc. You can almost feel
the relief of all involved as they arrive from that huge journey.
I
hope I havent upset any of her regular crew by posting this and
transcribing the final day of that journey that you have all worked on.
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I had a day like that on the Ribble (on convoy escort duty) - you
could almost feel the tension as the ships stopped zigzagging and formed
a single line to enter the harbor the convoy was bound for - all the
ships made it and I heard the sigh of relief despite the distance and
time.
Kathy
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Fascinating
- four of them. I think the name of the father is Charles, the nee
means that her name before marriage or maiden name was Linwood. We have
borrowed the french form, blame the Normans. I suspect that there
was no anglican priest on the island and so the visit of HMS Cumberland
(with Chaplain?) offered an opportunity to baptise their children.
The
system does not accept the correct spelling for nee. I am sorry the
first e has an acute accent, but I could not find a way to convince the
forum 'to type' that letter. :)
For the sake of completeness:
HMS Cumberland 21 May 1919 Georgetown Grand Cayman
"Baptised into the Church of England:
Carmen Elmina born Jan 13 1909;
Huxley Max March 5 1911;
Melville Joseph July 6 1913;
Randolph Edward Aug 27 1916;
Haig Ferdinand Nov 26 1918;
being
the children of Charles Joseph Henry Goring, Law Agent & Winnie
Oustina Goring (nee Linwood) of Grand Cayman I, B.W.I."
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Probably one of the most riveting pages I have transcribed.
I just joined HMS Victorian to help finish her off and two pages in I got to this one.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67414/ADM%2053-67414-015_0.jpg
It
tells of the arrival of her convoy from Sydney to London, including the
gradual wind down of the watch level, the end of zig zagging, the
unloading of guns and setting of mines to safe etc. You can almost feel
the relief of all involved as they arrive from that huge journey.
I
hope I havent upset any of her regular crew by posting this and
transcribing the final day of that journey that you have all worked on.
I believe Victorian was on her way from Sydney, Nova Scotia, to London.
The relief was no less intense.
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Thanks Caro. The North Atlantic convoys is an area of OW I have
barely touched so please forgive my ignorance that there was a Sydney in
Nova Scotia.
As you say though, the relief must have been the same wherever the convoy had come from.
K
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I remember this story from many years ago: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2172858.stm ;)
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Clio's log, 13 January 1914: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38067/C2-ADM53-38067-0053_1.jpg
8-0-0. Saluted Japanese Admiral with 15 guns.
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I remember this story from many years ago: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2172858.stm ;)
Pickup trucks and lobster?? "Big disappointment" is a major understatement.
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HMS Cumberland 19 Jul 1919 Oban
"8am Dressed ship overall in honour of Peace Day. Hands rigging illuminating circuits
Noon. Paraded guards. Fired 21 gun salute & Feu de joie.
Provost Sheriff of Oban on board
4pm Ship open to visitors
10pm Illuminated ship
11pm Fired 21 gun salute Fired V.B.S. & Very lights, rockets etc."
Peace Day wasn't peaceful everywhere: http://www.aftermathww1.com/peaceday.asp
(And no, I don't know what V.B.S. is/are.)
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I suspect they did not use the same travel agent for their next trip.
Cape Breton Island has some very beautiful, windswept scenery. My husband and I traveled there many years ago.
I
also remember that during the trip, our car's clutch went out, and we
eventually were referred to a young mechanic who actually tightened the
clutch for us and refused to take any payment for the repair.
Simply amazing. I have had a pretty high opinion of Canadians ever
since. Truly kind, honest, wonderful people.
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HMS Thistle - April 29th, 1919 :
9/0 Landed Dental Party
11/15 Dental Party returned
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62911/ADM%2053-62911-017_1.jpg
and April 30th Dental Paty landed again :)
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HMS Virginian - going from Avonmouth (UK) to New York
I have faithfully recorded as written the noon DR and Obs lat/long
They have, miraculously, placed us in the (very, very inland - and very, very off route) Aral Sea.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67742/ADM%2053-67742-004_1.jpg
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;D
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HMS Virginian - going from Avonmouth (UK) to New York
I have faithfully recorded as written the noon DR and Obs lat/long
They have, miraculously, placed us in the (very, very inland - and very, very off route) Aral Sea.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67742/ADM%2053-67742-004_1.jpg
Obviously chose the scenic route. Simples! :D
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HMS Atraea has been presented the Battle Practice Cup by the Commander in Chief.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34351/ADM53-34351-114_0.jpg
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HMS Atraea has been presented the Battle Practice Cup by the Commander in Chief.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34351/ADM53-34351-114_0.jpg
I wonder who they competed against?
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Welland's log, 8 November 1916: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68379/ADM%2053-68379-007_0.jpg
8.5
Co & speed as reqt. for reconnoitering Gulf Sandouli. Enemy's
battery on northern shore fired on "Welland." (all short)
Fired 13 Rds in reply. (Common ??? shell)
(Probably should have put this in handwriting help, but it was riveting, too...)
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Welland's log, 8 November 1916: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68379/ADM%2053-68379-007_0.jpg
8.5
Co & speed as reqt. for reconnoitering Gulf Sandouli. Enemy's
battery on northern shore fired on "Welland." (all short)
Fired 13 Rds in reply. (Common ??? shell)
(Probably should have put this in handwriting help, but it was riveting, too...)
Common
shell means normal high explosive as opposed to armour piercing,
illuminating, incendiary, common pointed etc. Wiki has a good article
here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_ordnance_terms
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Thanks, Gixernutter!
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HMS Astraea, Simonstown, 4 Jan 14 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34351/ADM53-34351-138_0.jpg)
'9.15 Ship's company medically examined.'
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Astraea140103-medexamined.png)
The mind boggles - I bet the MO was checking for 'self-inflicted recreational medical problems'! :o
Anybody else come across similar aboard other ships?
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'9.15 Ship's company medically examined.'
The mind boggles - I bet the MO was checking for 'self-inflicted recreational medical problems'! :o
Anybody else come across similar aboard other ships?
You mean they may have suffered an injury from an encounter with a German motorcycle or small car - NSU?
Yep. I had one of those; a report of medical exam, I mean. Not an unfortunate encounter.
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I think we understand each other, Bunts... ;)
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I think we understand each other, Bunts... ;)
"Little pink pills and a wire brush? Thanks, Doc."
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HMS Thistle, December 12th, 1919:
10.30 Lecture on Hygene by doctor
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62919/ADM%2053-62919-008_0.jpg
:)
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HMS Warspite
9.00 Regatta started 8)
We have a race fan.
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3pm - C De Silva reported on board by authority of RNO for passage to Bombay
9:30pm - C De Silva placed under arrest for unruly conduct.
Now that's a fine bit of work!
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3pm - C De Silva reported on board by authority of RNO for passage to Bombay
9:30pm - C De Silva placed under arrest for unruly conduct.
Now that's a fine bit of work!
Um, which ship was C De Silva on?
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sorry!
Trent
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63497/ADM%2053-63497-009_0.jpg
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3pm - C De Silva reported on board by authority of RNO for passage to Bombay
9:30pm - C De Silva placed under arrest for unruly conduct.
Now that's a fine bit of work!
By chance do you think that he didn't want to go to Bombay?
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3pm - C De Silva reported on board by authority of RNO for passage to Bombay
9:30pm - C De Silva placed under arrest for unruly conduct.
Now that's a fine bit of work!
By chance do you think that he didn't want to go to Bombay?
I think they got fed up with the continual "Are we nearly there yet?"
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Royal visitor to Harwich: HMS Canterbury, 26th February 1918.
9am Landed every available man for Review by HM the King
1pm Manned ship
3pm Manned ship. Cheered HM the King on passing.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36986/0016_0.jpg
Probably the most exciting day for a long time - so far the highlight of the log has been sailing from Chatham to Harwich!
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It's the midnight watch change on HMS Barham at Portland, and the
air pressure has just ventured up to 36.35. Could this be defined
as oppressive weather?
Cheers,
Steeleye
;D
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In early November 1920, about the only event of note on HMS Barham
(apart from the somewhat oppressive weather above) has been a 'London
Party' going ashore most days to drill. On 10 November, the log
notes "0645 London Party and mourners left ship for London". Does
anyone know of a notable who of his/her branch in early November 1920?
On further thought ... probably they were going to London for the 2nd anniversary of Armistice Day.
Cheers,
Steeleye
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It's
the midnight watch change on HMS Barham at Portland, and the air
pressure has just ventured up to 36.35. Could this be defined as
oppressive weather?
Cheers,
Steeleye
;D
It could be regarded as time to send for a technician or an optician.
Highest recorded in UK (1900-49) was 1053.6 mbar (31.113") Aberdeen 1902:
http://booty.org.uk/booty.weather/climate/1900_1949.htm
Elsewhere:
"Highest
air pressure ever recorded: 1085.6 mb (32.06 inHg); Tosontsengel,
Kh?vsg?l Province, Mongolia, December 19, 2001.[123] This is the
equivalent sea-level pressure; Tosontsengel is located at 1,300 metres
(4,300 ft) above sea level."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_weather_records#Other_categories
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Interesting, bunts. Also interesting to try to find records
for lowest recorded air pressure, which isn't referred to on Wikipedia -
possibly because barometers tend to break in
hurricanes/typhoons/cyclones. A quick google search gave me 933
hPa (27.55") for a cyclone off north Queensland in 1918. The
lowest I've come across yet in the logs was 29.03 in the North Atlantic
on the Carnarvon, which I thought was getting pretty low.
Nasty weather in Scotland over night; not a good time to be at sea. I wonder what the pressure got down to?
Cheers.
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In
early November 1920, about the only event of note on HMS Barham (apart
from the somewhat oppressive weather above) has been a 'London Party'
going ashore most days to drill. On 10 November, the log notes
"0645 London Party and mourners left ship for London". Does anyone
know of a notable who of his/her branch in early November 1920?
On further thought ... probably they were going to London for the 2nd anniversary of Armistice Day.
Cheers,
Steeleye
That was the year that the permanent Cenotaph was erected:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/remembrance/how/cenotaph.shtml
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Interesting,
bunts. Also interesting to try to find records for lowest
recorded air pressure, which isn't referred to on Wikipedia - possibly
because barometers tend to break in hurricanes/typhoons/cyclones. A
quick google search gave me 933 hPa (27.55") for a cyclone off north
Queensland in 1918. The lowest I've come across yet in the logs
was 29.03 in the North Atlantic on the Carnarvon, which I thought was
getting pretty low.
Nasty weather in Scotland over night; not a good time to be at sea. I wonder what the pressure got down to?
Cheers.
The earliest I could find was 1800 on 8th Dec. That was 960 off Aberdeen. Presumably it was lower during the day.
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/uk_latest_pressure.html
If Philip, or someone else who knows about these things, is around we may become better informed.
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It's all happening on the Barham this morning ... actually on the Barham on 18 November, 1920:
'0830 Landed 10 officers and 90 men to compete in Cross Country race for Arbuthnot Trophy.'
Ne
mention of how successful they were - probably safe to assume that they
didn't win anything (but it's all about the competition, isn't it -
just like 'collecting' OW weather obs). I also wonder how the 10 + 90
were selected, as the opportunities for cross country training on a
battleship would be somewhat limited. The Arbuthnot Trophy is
named for Sir Robert Arbuthnot, who met his end at Jutland (see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Robert_Arbuthnot,_4th_Baronet
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Robert_Arbuthnot,_4th_Baronet)
). An interesting character, but I'm not sure I would have been
too enthused about serving under him.
Cheers
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It really is all go on the Barham in November 1920. From the log for 20 November:
'Race for Rodman Cup took place. Cutters 2 miles.'
The
Rodman Cup was presented by Admiral Rodman USN, who commanded the US
battle squadron that served with the Grand Fleet in WW1. It is a
cutter race open to all ships in the fleet and is competed for annually.
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Raven II log, 1917, Colombo to the Maldives: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57314/ADM%2053-57314-038_1.jpg
5.53 Hove up & full ah searching for Plane which failed to return from Ani Atoll
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Raven II log, 1917, Colombo to the Maldives: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57314/ADM%2053-57314-038_1.jpg
5.53 Hove up & full ah searching for Plane which failed to return from Ani Atoll
They never found the plane, but both crewmen showed up 2 weeks later:
Because
they were not on the casualty list on Naval-History.net, I went fishing
ahead on the logs. On the 6th May 1917, there is this note:
Flgt. Sub. Lieut. Smith & Lieut Mead RNVR previously reported lost, returned on board from Maldive Is.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57314/ADM%2053-57314-053_1.jpg
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More from November 1920 on the Barham:
'Natives of Scotland, Ireland and Channel Isles proceeded on long leave.'
This is a new one on me; does it mean that they get extra time to get home over the rest of the crew?
Cheers,
Steeleye
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It's been seen before, and yes it was done. Something about
respecting how much more important it is when the men are that close to
home, and trusting the men to do better at staying out of trouble when
with their families.
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I was talking to a bloke who was ex-RN while I was on holiday on the
Mull of Kintyre and he said that leave was extended by at least a day
for those who lived north of a particular line and he didn't get it
because he lived in Campbeltown but had to travel north of the line to
get home. I think he also said that those living in the outer
Hebrides and Northern Isles got even more. I think the idea was to
provide a more equal 'time at home' rather than 'time off ship'. (The
Mull of Kintyre is that long peninsula dropping down on the west of the
Firth of Clyde.)
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Thanks, professional student,
I didn't make a note of when
the 'Natives of Scotland etc' went on their 'long leave', but it was at
least a few days before the port watch went on their two weeks long
leave (16-30 December). While there was a log mention of the port
watch returning from their leave, there has been no mention of the
'Natives' returning. Suspicious! I wonder if they are still
holed up on the Mull of Kintyre, sampling the well-known liquid
refreshment of those parts.
On another note, while there was a
number of riveting entries for the Barham in November 1920, December was
a little different, and can be summarised as follows:
Number of log pages: 31
Number of weather obs 0
Somewhat
less than riveting, although there was a note that a 'Beef Party
landed' on three separate occasions. A quick web search did not
help, although I found reference to a Beef Party on HMAS Hobart.
Is there anyone out there in OWland with knowledge of this esoteric
event?
Cheers,
Steeleye
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HMS Raven II 21 April 1917 Indian Ocean
"4.4 out plane
5.53 Searching for plane that failed to return from Ani Atoll
Flgt Lt Smith age 22; Lt Mead RNVR age 29 believed drowned
One Lee Enfield Rifle & one Webley Revolver NH stores lost in plane 8018
11.55 a/c 53?W Additional lookouts placed S.Light used all night "
22 April 1917 similar location
"3.11 Sighted oily patch & biscuit"
I found them - alive.
Because
they were not on the casualty list on Naval-History.net, I went fishing
ahead on the logs. On the 6th May 1917, there is this note:
Flgt. Sub. Lieut. Smith & Lieut Mead RNVR previously reported lost, returned on board from Maldive Is.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57314/ADM%2053-57314-053_1.jpg
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a Beef Party (there was one on the Aphis or Thistle - they are
starting to blend together! :o ) went ashore to get meat for the
ship, as opposed to taking say live creatures on board - The Thistle
took on 15 live sheep one day :P. I would imagine they got
sides of beef and it would take several men to bring it all on board.
Kathy
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Ben-My-Chree has had visits from a 'Beef Boat', presumably a lighter
with supplies from the local butcher. Did the Navy use freezers in WWI
or did the long-life meat have to be dried or salted as in the olden
days?
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There were freezer boats - one was named the Frozen Orange Peel - they were a part of the Royal Fleet Axillary.
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What a fantastic name even if I'd hate to have had it on my cap
band! It should have improved the catering though having the
option of frozen meat.
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Ben-My-Chree
has had visits from a 'Beef Boat', presumably a lighter with supplies
from the local butcher. Did the Navy use freezers in WWI or did the
long-life meat have to be dried or salted as in the olden days?
I
made captain of the HMS Torch - one of our doubled-up ships (2 ships'
logs with the same name.) The older Torch was a 3 masted 19th
century sloop, retired from active service at the start of the war
because she was simply too old and slow. She was sold after the
war to a freight company who used her to experiment with turning her
hold into a meat freezer that could make the long trip from New Zealand
to England, arriving with the meat in healthier shape than some English
beef being sold in the same market. But more temporary frozen
storage was in place for a few decades at that point.
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1206.msg13589#msg13589
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HMS Barham, Greenock, 31st May 1921, "Hands make & mend clothes, being 5th anniversary of The Battle of Jutland."
Barham was there, so I guess it's a significant moment as she was hit a number of times, so would have suffered casualties.
See: https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-70949/0126_0.jpg
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Caledon, that was all your fault!!!
From the log of HMS Galatea August 1917 in the north sea.
12 0 Caledon a/c 16 pts to Port without signal.
12 3 Hard a Port. Stop starb.
12 31/2 Collision observed between Nos 2 & 3 destroyers in Port Line (Oreole (?) & Patriot)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42346/0011_0.jpg
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HMS Barham, Greenock, 31st May 1921, "Hands make & mend clothes, being 5th anniversary of The Battle of Jutland."
Barham was there, so I guess it's a significant moment as she was hit a number of times, so would have suffered casualties.
See: https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-70949/0126_0.jpg
http://www.hmsbarham.com/ship/diary.php
This site lists 26 killed and 37 wounded at the Battle of Jutland
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HMS Barham, Greenock, 6th June 1921; log shows an entry "1800
Optional Bathing." I know 1800 refers to the time (6 pm), but never knew
bathing was optional! Mind you, the sea temp was a tad brisk at 54F!
See: https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-70949/0129_0.jpg
Edited date - 6th, not 7th! ::)
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Caledon, that was all your fault!!!
From the log of HMS Galatea August 1917 in the north sea.
12 0 Caledon a/c 16 pts to Port without signal.
12 3 Hard a Port. Stop starb.
12 31/2 Collision observed between Nos 2 & 3 destroyers in Port Line (Oreole (?) & Patriot)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42346/0011_0.jpg
I
checked at
http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/destroyers_before_1900.htm, and
found two candidates for the destroyer colliding with Patriot:
Oracle (the most likely) and Oreste.
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Caledon, that was all your fault!!!
From the log of HMS Galatea August 1917 in the north sea.
12 0 Caledon a/c 16 pts to Port without signal.
12 3 Hard a Port. Stop starb.
12 31/2 Collision observed between Nos 2 & 3 destroyers in Port Line (Oreole (?) & Patriot)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42346/0011_0.jpg
I
checked at
http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/destroyers_before_1900.htm, and
found two candidates for the destroyer colliding with Patriot:
Oracle (the most likely) and Oreste.
This cropped up quite recently with HMS Oriole seeming a candidate:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1454.msg31899#msg31899 (et seq with personal connection.)
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Greetings Tegwen & H.K,
Blowing the writing way up in
Powerpoint makes it look very much like 'Oriole' (the spelling in the
bible I use (Le Fleming,'Warships of World War 1')).
Cheers
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I checked the link you gave Bunts and the page discussed is the same as the one Tegwen posted.
Hello Steeleye
Nice job.
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Yep.
I was trying to provide a lead into PeteB9's
It's Oriole - a repeat M class destroyer built in 1916 - my Grand dad (a leading stoker) would have been on board her in 1917
which follows. ;)
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HMS Astraea, 17 Jan 15 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34352/ADM53-34352-150_0.jpg)
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Astraea150117-Xmascards.png)
We've
had a couple posted before, on 1 Jan (Caesar, 1915
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36573/ADM%2053-36573-004_1.jpg))
and 17 Feb (Carnarvon same year
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37094/ADM53-37094-128_1.jpg))
That reminds me... :-[
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Raven II's logs, 1917 (~12 November): http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57316/ADM%2053-57316-069_1.jpg
S/S
Kabinga while leaving berth drove down on ship badly holeing Port
cutter & carrying away about half the rails on Foxcle pt side
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Not sure what's going on here! I'm on HMS Valiant in March 1920 somewhere in the Mediterranean and at 2:24 am we have:
"Destroyers attacked Battle Fleet"
Then at 10am: "Opened fire with 15in guns?"
There was also a submarine attack at 4pm
This must be exercises I suppose as the war ended in 1918.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-88602/0010_1.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-88602/0010_1.jpg)
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Probably getting a bit of revenge for some misdemeanor committed on
the football pitch at the last inter-ship 'friendly'. ("Oops,
sorry ... is it bleeding much?")
:-[
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HMS Warspite log entry of 17th August 1921, whilst in
Devonport (Plymouth) has an observed weather condition of 'ps' for
noon. As temps are in 60sF and we are in August, I doubt this is
accurate! My best guess is the log-keeper wrote 's' instead of 'c'
(dyslexia rules KO?).
See:- https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-91693/0120_0.jpg
Or is it a valid recording and the snow pictogram is incorrect? You thoughts and comments are eagerly awaited! ;D
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"p" is "passing showers" so I'm guessing he included the "showers"
in his abbreviation. Transcribe it as written, as he has very
clear handwriting.
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Thanks Janet, I shall obey the last order given!
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How about 180 degrees from "Riveting"???
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-47266/0003_0.jpg
ooooooooh the excitement!
...and it's gone on for at least a week.
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;D
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wow, my heart is pounding with excitement! :P
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That has to be a new category of prize! Perhaps the 'Does anything happen at sea' prize? :D
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Not sure what they are getting upto on HMS Ben-My-Chree :o
Any ideas? I don't think I want to search on google!
Link to page in case I've done the attachment wrong - entry at 1.45 pm
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35181/0015_1.jpg
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Not sure what they are getting upto on HMS Ben-My-Chree :o
Any ideas? I don't think I want to search on google!
Link to page in case I've done the attachment wrong - entry at 1.45 pm
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35181/0015_1.jpg
I
was wondering whether it was a party to do something with an airstrip,
but as far as I can see from the log page what they have is a seaplane,
which seemed to rule that one out.
I hope someone knows - I'm with you on not wanting to put that into google!
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Not sure what they are getting upto on HMS Ben-My-Chree :o
Any ideas? I don't think I want to search on google!
Link to page in case I've done the attachment wrong - entry at 1.45 pm
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35181/0015_1.jpg
I
was wondering whether it was a party to do something with an airstrip,
but as far as I can see from the log page what they have is a seaplane,
which seemed to rule that one out.
I hope someone knows - I'm with you on not wanting to put that into google!
Probably a good decision.
I see she's at Rabbit Island. There's bound to be some Bunny Girls around.
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Not sure what they are getting upto on HMS Ben-My-Chree :o
Any ideas? I don't think I want to search on google!
Link to page in case I've done the attachment wrong - entry at 1.45 pm
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35181/0015_1.jpg
I
was wondering whether it was a party to do something with an airstrip,
but as far as I can see from the log page what they have is a seaplane,
which seemed to rule that one out.
I hope someone knows - I'm with you on not wanting to put that into google!
Probably a good decision.
I see she's at Rabbit Island. There's bound to be some Bunny Girls around.
I
agree about googling - all common words, we'd never sort it out.
Could they have been turning a field into some kind of air strip for
landing?
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From Canterbury -
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36993/0006_0.jpg
Typical British understatement! :o Please see the 8:00am entry -
Kathy
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HMS Blenheim Oct 6th, 1914: Navigating Officer was not sure of what he was reading :)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35573/0082_0.jpg
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From Canterbury -
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36993/0006_0.jpg
Typical British understatement! :o Please see the 8:00am entry -
Kathy
So
if I understand this page correctly, they're altering course every few
minutes to "avoid the hostile aircraft" and the log keeper kept track of
all the course changes?!? Talk about keeping a cool head while under fire... :o
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I know - the part that cracks me up tho, is that there is no
description of shots fired, etc., AND it is not until the middle of the
morning that you get a explanation for all the course changes. It
is just a/c a/c a/c BOOM Engaged Enemy Aircraft then back to a/c
a/c....just makes me laugh ;D
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From Canterbury -
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36993/0006_0.jpg
Typical British understatement! :o Please see the 8:00am entry -
Kathy
So
if I understand this page correctly, they're altering course every few
minutes to "avoid the hostile aircraft" and the log keeper kept track of
all the course changes?!? Talk about keeping a cool head while under fire... :o
He does that all the time, actually. Even on training runs it's a course change every half hour/hour.
Ben-My-Chree's
crew apparently got some time ashore for a football match (1.15pm)! No
mention of results, though. Then, 2 days later, an evening concert is
held on board - you'd never guess there was a war on.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35184/0006_1.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35184/0007_1.jpg
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HMS Barham, August 10th, 1921
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-70949/0161_1.jpg
2200: Warrant officers held dance on Qualet Deck
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HMS Ben-My-Chree 7th Dec 1915
From what I can make out, the ship was attacked by hostile aircraft and took some damage:
9.31 G Qs (General Quarters?) F Qrs
9.37 Heave round fire main
9.41 Cease fire
9.41 Repel hostile aircraft
9.58 Abandon Ship
10.10 Prepare to be taken in tow
10.36 Away all boats crews
10.54 ~ fire engine, after ~
11.27 Secure
11.30 Let go port anchor and weigh by hand
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35186/0006_1.jpg
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HMS Barham, August 10th, 1921
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-70949/0161_1.jpg
2200: Warrant officers held dance on Qualet Deck
What is a 'Qualet' deck?
I thought it should be 'Quarter' deck, but agree it looks more like 'Qualet' - or possibly 'Quater' :)
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I think definitely "Quater" - as in 'drifter' and 'warrant', he has
the typical habit of trailing crosses on his t's. But he's
forgotten how to spell. (What were they drinking during this
unusual dance?) ;D
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Ben-my-Chree appears to have a Wolseley car on board! 1.40 pm entry.
Earlier in the day they also had a Gnome engine delivered (and it is
1st June not April ;D)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35191/0003_1.jpg
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Ben-my-Chree
appears to have a Wolseley car on board! 1.40 pm entry. Earlier in the
day they also had a Gnome engine delivered (and it is 1st June not
April ;D)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35191/0003_1.jpg
Hi
This
rang a bell with me so I did some searching. In fact I think that bell
must have been wrong, but I did find this, which contains some useful
history relating to Ben-my-Chree, including her role in the Turkish
attack on Perim in 1916.
http://www.oca.269squadron.btinternet.co.uk/history/squadron_history/269_chronicle_pt1_narrative.pdf
Hope it is of interest to all of her crew. Sorry if you have all seen it already.
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Mine Spotting!!!
Just one page from HMS Galatea to indicate how dangerous shipping was in 1918.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42346/0162_0.jpg
She
is coming back towards Rosyth from close to the Danish Coast and in one
day she spots 4 mines of 3 different types. One German and two British.
See the entries for 06.25 and 3.52, 4.34 and 5.15 am
How a ship was supposed to proceed at night in that type of sea is beyond me.
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Mine Spotting!!!
Just one page from HMS Galatea to indicate how dangerous shipping was in 1918.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42346/0162_0.jpg
She
is coming back towards Rosyth from close to the Danish Coast and in one
day she spots 4 mines of 3 different types. One German and two British.
See the entries for 06.25 and 3.52, 4.34 and 5.15 am
How a ship was supposed to proceed at night in that type of sea is beyond me.
Not devised for this particular circumstance, but the phrase "Navigating by Guess and by God" seems appropriate.
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Ben-my-Chree
appears to have a Wolseley car on board! 1.40 pm entry. Earlier in the
day they also had a Gnome engine delivered (and it is 1st June not
April ;D)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35191/0003_1.jpg
Hi
This
rang a bell with me so I did some searching. In fact I think that bell
must have been wrong, but I did find this, which contains some useful
history relating to Ben-my-Chree, including her role in the Turkish
attack on Perim in 1916.
http://www.oca.269squadron.btinternet.co.uk/history/squadron_history/269_chronicle_pt1_narrative.pdf
Hope it is of interest to all of her crew. Sorry if you have all seen it already.
Tegwen,
Great
link, I've only had a quick look through so far but it looks really
interesting. Spotted some familiar names and getting a bit of background
of what was actually going on when all they mention in the log is that
they hoisted some seaplanes out and then back in again.
Thanks!!!
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21 Nov 1916: Port Mudros is bombed by enemy seaplanes. Ark Royal's account:
9:40
Two hostile seaplanes appeared from E'ward. A.A. Guns on port side
opened fire. Enemy dropped bombs and retired; Schneider from No. 2 tent
(pilot Sub Lt Brandon) pursuing and engaging. Damage by enemy bombs;
nil; damage to enemy unknown
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34100/0067_1.jpg
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21 Nov 1916: Port Mudros is bombed by enemy seaplanes. Ark Royal's account:
9:40
Two hostile seaplanes appeared from E'ward. A.A. Guns on port side
opened fire. Enemy dropped bombs and retired; Schneider from No. 2 tent
(pilot Sub Lt Brandon) pursuing and engaging. Damage by enemy bombs;
nil; damage to enemy unknown
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34100/0067_1.jpg
Just
out of interest, what browser are you using? The reason I ask (I use XP
& Firefox) is that HMS Ark Royal pages appear "washed out" and
tricky to read. I checked that page using Chrome and the writing really is much easier to read.
Note to others If your pages have pale writing, give Chrome a go. Generally, I prefer F/fox but not for this circumstance.
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Bunts: I just re-installed chrome and had a look at some Grafton
pages that I have been transcribing in the past few days and which were
so washed out that I was spending endless hours
snipping/powerpointing/stretching etc. I've just looked at the
same pages using chrome and it's like there's a whole new world out
there. The difference is amazing!
I'll post your findings
on the Grafton help desk forum page (ships, battles and people) -
appropriately acknowledged! You may just be responsible for
preserving a lot of sanity among the crew.
Cheers,
Steeleye
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Just
out of interest, what browser are you using? The reason I ask (I use XP
& Firefox) is that HMS Ark Royal pages appear "washed out" and
tricky to read. I checked that page using Chrome and the writing really is much easier to read.
Note to others If your pages have pale writing, give Chrome a go. Generally, I prefer F/fox but not for this circumstance.
I'm
using Firefox, and whilst it's washed out, it's still legible for me.
On occasion I have to move the weather "dots" out of the way to read
numbers, but I've done so many pages on A.R. that I know his (or their,
I've seen the style change subtly on occasion) handwriting inside out!
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From the log of HMS Grafton, 10 October 1917:
Hoisted Eqyptian Ensign half mast. Fired salute 21 minute guns
Reason for the flag half-masting and salute was the funeral of Hussein Kemal, First Sultan of Egypt on that day
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https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-47268/0022_0.jpg
On Lord Minto,
(added
punctuation for the forum posting to make it easier to read - he tends
to misspell words regularly, use odd capitalization, and not use any
punctuation in his sentences)
"Took over Escort [of] Unca from
Glenesk bound West. Unca steamed away & left us out of sight I kept
blowing M.F. but he would not take any notice. Gave up the chase
and return to station of patrol."
I know M.F. isn't what I'm
thinking (mental Mondegreen?) but I'm laughing about my version -
sounding "hey you mother f----- get back here!" and they just blow him
off.
...also note at 10.20 and 10.50 how he write his lower-case
p's. his m's are similarly written with no attaching "hump" at the
top.
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11:23 PM: Felt and heard a report as of an explosion
HMS Theseus 28 June, 1918
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On board the Isis in September 1914, operating just west
of the Isles of Scilly, west of Cornwall. For the past few weeks,
she and her sisters (Doris and Juno ) have been
intercepting and checking up to half a dozen cargo ships every day going
to/from NW Europe. At this time, they were presumably trying to
round up any ships heading for Germany. The majority of ships are
British, Dutch or French and all are sent on their way except for the
Charlois, on passage from New York to Amsterdam. For some reason,
her cargo or papers aroused suspicion and a prize crew was put on board
to take her to Plymouth.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45020/ADM%2053-45020-020_1.jpg
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45020/ADM%2053-45020-020_1.jpg)
It's possible that this is the Charlois that was sunk by submarine on 19 March 1917.
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And another Dutch ship (Niew Amsterdam) gets hauled in by the Isis and a prize crew sent on board.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45020/ADM%2053-45020-026_1.jpg
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HMS Jessamine, November 29th, 1915:
9.45 Spoke to s/s
'Etonia' (?) of Liverpool who had sent out S.O.S. having mistaken HMS
'Jessamine' for enemy submarine. Ordered her to cancell signal.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45361/ADM%2053-45361-030_1.jpg
I need help for the name of the ship who had sent out SOS. S/S Etonia is my reading at the moment. :)
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Hi Lollia,
I think it's SS Etonian - part of the Leyland line, who operated from Liverpool across the Atlantic.
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/leyland.html
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Thank you Helenj! I edited the transcription :)
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The navigation officer on the Isis at the start of the war, who had
immaculate, tiny writing, has been replaced by a gentleman whose writing
is passable but whose spelling is dreadful. At the end of every
day, I think some kind soul goes through his day's entries and fixes up
some of the spelling as there is a lot of crossings-out. For
example, how many people knew that 'Sweedish' ships came from 'Sweeden',
or that when approaching another vessel you were 'cloasing' that
vessel. It's so hard not to fix the spelling! He also has a
happy knack of reversing his wet and dry bulb temperature readings.
:'(
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That just goes to show how jumpy everyone must have been! :o
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HMS Hannibal 1st Jan 1916 in Alexandria
HMS Mallow arrd. with 155 survivors of SS Persia
SS Persia had been torpedoed on 30th Dec
http://www.cix.co.uk/~dliddlea/timeguns/fate-sspersia.html
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There are several things of note on this page from HMS "Euryalus":
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-41220/ADM%2053-41220-030_0.jpg
1.
Kephalo (near the entrance to the Dardanelles) is like Piccadilly
Circus in Dec 1915 with all these ships coming and going (which rather
slows the transcribing process)
2. At midday 2 hostiles planes flew over, dropped 3 bombs but apparently missed all the ships swarming about
3.
I need help with the entry for 7pm "7.0 sent 1 private R.M.L.I.
ashore as Lieut. Bermanh~~~" ??? I can't make up the rest of the name
and I don't understand the sentence...did the private get promoted?
S
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"sent 1 private RMLI ashore as Lieut. Berman's servant(?)"
I'm not sure about the final word.
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Submarine attack on Isis at 0435, 10 November 1914, just outside
Queenstown (now Cork), Ireland. This must have been a popular
hunting ground for U boats as the Lusitania was sunk nearby about 6
months later.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45020/ADM%2053-45020-045_0.jpg
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I feel that I should apologise for my earlier post regarding the new navigation officer on the Isis.
The more logs I transcribe, the more I think he has a serious case of
dyslexia (sometimes an 'N' is written backwards). Also, I suspect
that he is very new on the job, as his logs are frequently edited for
both spelling and terminology, probably by a more experienced
senior. On the attached page, apart from fixing the spelling, the
phrase "ship was placed into dry dock" has been changed to "ship worked
into dry dock". An example of on-the-job training.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45020/ADM%2053-45020-045_1.jpg
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45020/ADM%2053-45020-045_1.jpg)
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For that, he has very neat handwriting. I think you are right,
those corrections could almost be explained to outsider as someone
fixing their own work. They are simply giving him a remedial
writing class on the job.
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"sent 1 private RMLI ashore as Lieut. Berman's servant(?)"
I'm not sure about the final word.
Thanks JJ! I like your thinking ;)
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Nasty weather on the Isis on Patrol SW of Ireland in December
1914. Air pressure was down to slightly more than 29" for more
than a day, winds of Force 8-10. On the last day of the storm,
'Winds increased to hurricane force in squalls". Not a pleasant
time to be on the briny!
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45020/ADM%2053-45020-056_0.jpg
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45020/ADM%2053-45020-056_0.jpg)
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Yaargh....makes m' feel sea-sick just thinkin' about it :P (or is that the Xmas grog?)
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No doubt a bit rougher than the Zurichsee gets for the Swiss Navy!
:)
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HMS Himalaya, 13th August 1916, off the east coast of Africa:
11.00 Received W/T signals of distress from seaplane.
11.5 Observed seaplane & proceeded to her assistance. ...
0.20 Seaplane onboard. Weighed anchor
3.5 Seaplane hoisted out & taken to hangar.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44356/ADM%2053-44356-078_1.jpg
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HMS Jessamine's log, 9 Nov 1915: https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45361/ADM%2053-45361-020_1.jpg
1.55 a/c West. vessel rolling heavily with high beam (?) sea.
4.00 Boisterous weather continues
10 Nov 1915: https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45361/ADM%2053-45361-021_0.jpg
2.20 a/c S70W. 2/25 a/c N70W 2/45 Boisterous weather continues.
10 am: Bad weather continues.
7 pm: Weather moderating.
Written
in the center of the page, where barometric data would be entered:
"Mercurial barometer damaged apparently by rolling."
Oddly enough, there's another barometric reading farther down the page. Did they have spare barometers on the ships?
Probably
should have put this in the Handwriting Help string, but thought they
were riveting, too. If there are other ideas about the word
following "high" in the 9 Nov 1915, 1.55 pm entry, I'd love to hear
them...
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HMS Jessamine's log, 9 Nov 1915: https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45361/ADM%2053-45361-020_1.jpg
1.55 a/c West. vessel rolling heavily with high beam (?) sea.
It is beam, as in "abeam", ship's side.
Nothing to do with car headlights.
= high sea on ship's beam.
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Ah, sailors' shorthand... Still, I would not have wanted to be onboard the ship, with the "boisterous sea"... :P
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Ah, sailors' shorthand... Still, I would not have wanted to be onboard the ship, with the "boisterous sea"... :P
It's great fun on a clear night when the ship is pitching and
rolling. You can stand at the foot of a mast and watch the masthead
describe circles around a convenient star. Then take a walk to the rail
on the leeward side ...
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Another torpedo attack reported on the Isis (at 1115) just outside Queenstown.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45020/ADM%2053-45020-059_0.jpg
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More excitement on the Isis in a couple of weeks SW of Ireland than I
had in 6 months on the Lancaster off the west coast of South
America. After avoiding a submarine attack outside Queenstown
harbour, Isis has run straight back into more feral Atlantic
weather. Air pressures down round 28.6" for a day or so, winds and
sea state both around 8 (~50ft seas).
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45020/ADM%2053-45020-059_1.jpg
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Friendly fire? From the log of Isis on the afternoon of 16 December 1914:
"Stopped
& spoke SS "Principelles" (Brit) Bristol to Halifax. This
steamer had to be stopped by firing across bows as she paid no attention
to signals."
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45020/ADM%2053-45020-062_0.jpg
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45020/ADM%2053-45020-062_0.jpg)
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If I remember my Hornblower stories, that is a warning shot - "if
you don't obey my signals, I'll assume you are NOT friendly"
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How about a wake-up call? Both ships have recently been
through several days of appalling weather and I suspect that people were
trying to catch up on a bit of sleep! Possible that the Isis was
getting a little tetchy with the SS for their lack of attention.
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No doubt a bit rougher than the Zurichsee gets for the Swiss Navy!
:)
Arrgh,
you'll find me swapping the decks of my pre-dreadnought canoe on Lake
Constance/Bodensee on my way to raid German shops where stuff is
slightly more affordable.
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meanwhile, another interesting
log entry from HMS Euryalus: having got everyone out of Gallipoli,
Admiral Sir Rosslyn Wemyss, boards the ship at Malta for a jaunt
eastwards -
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-41220/ADM%2053-41220-048_1.jpg
I can't read all the names, if you can help, there is a Major Sawmary?
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Dear Admiral Press-Ganged,
I reckon your "Sawmary" is
"Saumarez". There are references to several "Major Saumarez" in
google, including one reference in 1916. In the line at 2.0, the
name is 'Godfrey' and the Captain in the second-last line is 'Yeo'.
Any others?
Cheers
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Thank yee kindly, Cap'n Steeleye.
The writing has got a bit
tricksy since leaving Malta. There is an entry here that at first glance
looks like "3 Lady Boys joined ship on Admiral's staff" but on second
look I think they they more likely to be Seedy Boys...
The ship
also seems to be carrying lots of writers - "2nd writer discharged to
'Prosephine' " and "3rd writer to 'Implacable' "
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Sometimes I wish they would write just a bit more. This is from Himalaya on 24th August 1916:
7.00 Seaplane left
7.35 Received urgent signals from seaplane
7.36 Proceeded in seaplane's direction 48 ?knots
7.50 Engines & courses as req
8.10 Stopped
8.30 Seaplane hoisted aboard
And
that's it - so what was the problem? Had the seaplane come down
and needed to be rescued? Or had he just forgotten his
sandwiches? :D
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44356/ADM%2053-44356-084_0.jpg
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HMS Chatham
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37562/014_1.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37562/014_1.jpg)
"Mustered by open list, distributed HRH Princess Mary's Xmas gifts"
Fair enough but it's April 23rd. Maybe the post was very slow to Bombay?
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Sometimes I wish they would write just a bit more. This is from Himalaya on 24th August 1916:
7.00 Seaplane left
7.35 Received urgent signals from seaplane
7.36 Proceeded in seaplane's direction 48 ?knots
7.50 Engines & courses as req
8.10 Stopped
8.30 Seaplane hoisted aboard
And
that's it - so what was the problem? Had the seaplane come down
and needed to be rescued? Or had he just forgotten his
sandwiches? :D
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44356/ADM%2053-44356-084_0.jpg
7.36 entry should be 48 revs
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Thanks, Lupus - better eyes than mine!
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https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37431/010_1.jpg
quite and eventful/terrifying evening
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Sometimes I wish they would write just a bit more. This is from Himalaya on 24th August 1916:
7.00 Seaplane left
7.35 Received urgent signals from seaplane
7.36 Proceeded in seaplane's direction 48 ?knots
7.50 Engines & courses as req
8.10 Stopped
8.30 Seaplane hoisted aboard
And
that's it - so what was the problem? Had the seaplane come down
and needed to be rescued? Or had he just forgotten his
sandwiches? :D
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44356/ADM%2053-44356-084_0.jpg
7.36 entry should be 48 revs
Nicely done LupusUK; 48 knots may have been as fast as the plane. ;)
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A thoroughly miserable Boxing Day 1914 for the crew of the
Isis. After severe gales and storms (force 9-10) in the weeks
leading up to Christmas, a storm late on the 26th peaked at Force
11-12.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45020/ADM%2053-45020-067_0.jpg
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A
thoroughly miserable Boxing Day 1914 for the crew of the Isis.
After severe gales and storms (force 9-10) in the weeks leading up to
Christmas, a storm late on the 26th peaked at Force 11-12.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45020/ADM%2053-45020-067_0.jpg
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45020/ADM%2053-45020-067_0.jpg)
That would help the turkey go down or, in my case, come up again.
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Thanks, Lupus - better eyes than mine!
Nicely done LupusUK; 48 knots may have been as fast as the plane. ;)
I
can't claim superior eyesight (maybe superior spectacles ;D), more the
fact that 48 knots seemed implausibly high and it matched the entry in
the revolutions per minute column
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Thanks, Lupus - better eyes than mine!
Nicely done LupusUK; 48 knots may have been as fast as the plane. ;)
I
can't claim superior eyesight (maybe superior spectacles ;D), more the
fact that 48 knots seemed implausibly high and it matched the entry in
the revolutions per minute column
Even better than superior eyesight - superior knowledge! :D
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HMS Himalaya, 18th September 1916.
10.20am Italian refugee & servant embarked.
I'm wondering who might have been important enough to be noted in the log this way ...
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44356/ADM%2053-44356-099_0.jpg
Well,
he didn't hang around for long. The following day the Italian
refugee and his servant were transferred to the Whaler Echo. It
was a busy day; they also discharged 1 prisoner of war to HMS Talbot;
and embarked one armourers' crew and one prisoner from Echo.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44356/ADM%2053-44356-099_1.jpg
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https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37431/010_1.jpg
quite and eventful/terrifying evening
yikes! passing around wreckage, mines and then hitting one - ouch!
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Jessamine's log, 10 December 1915: https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45361/ADM%2053-45361-038_0.jpg
9.30 1st batch of libertymen returned.
10.40
2nd batch of libertymen returned & whilst dingy was alongside
ladder it capsized. All men reported safe. dispatched whaler
to search for dingy. & land to find 2 absentees.
11 December 1915: https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45361/ADM%2053-45361-038_1.jpg
1.30 Whaler returned to ship, not having recovered dingy.
9.30 Dingy returned in tow of whaler.
10.45 Stopped & received absentee from HMS Primrose.
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How rowdy does a party have to get to do THAT? ;D ::)
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I don't recall that verse in "What shall we do with the drunken sailor?"
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A near miss for the Hildebrand, 2 July 1915:
"Psd object, apparantly a mine, 40 yards on starbd side. Lat 57 46 N. Long 11 18 W"
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44344/ADM%2053-44344-077_0.jpg
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Here's one for Star Trek/Shakespeare fans: https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-41220/ADM%2053-41220-093_0.jpg
6.16 Arrived Telegraph ship "Patrick Stewart"
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Beautiful writing! :'(
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yes, too good to last though..April was good: https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-41220/ADM%2053-41220-100_0.jpg
May is terrible: https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-41220/ADM%2053-41220-102_1.jpg
- neat? yes, legible?- only just
Any
new crew warmly welcomed...it's the most interesting ship I've done so
far (or perhaps that's a sign of OW addiction.... :-\)
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HMS Himalaya seems to be a kind of floating supermarket, dodging
around the coast of east Africa, delivering food (and sometimes people)
to all the other ships. Mostly it's bread and meat, but today
Salamander got a much more varied delivery:
15lbs meat, 40lbs bread, 1
basket oranges, 1 basket vegetables, 1 bag potatoes, 1 bag
onions. Hope they had some good cooks on board ...
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44356/ADM%2053-44356-130_0.jpg
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Jessamine's log, 27 December 1915: https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45361/ADM%2053-45361-046_1.jpg
8.00 Fierce Gale & high head sea. S/S pitching & straining heavily frequent squalls of hurricane force.
revolutions as required to nurse vessel in seaway.
9.45 Huge sea struck vessel breaking adrift sounding machines, smashing funnel to Captains Cabin & other damage.
Ship hove to. Sounding boom carried away.
6.37 Put about. s/c N78E
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Here's one for Star Trek/Shakespeare fans: https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-41220/ADM%2053-41220-093_0.jpg
6.16 Arrived Telegraph ship "Patrick Stewart"
What are the odds that she will meet HMS Enterprise?
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they are likely to go through the same wormhole. ;D
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Would that be a sand-worm hole?
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https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44344/ADM%2053-44344-089_1.jpg
HMS Hildebrand 27 July 1915
We
put an armed guard on the SS Trondhjemsfjord with orders to take her in
to Kirkwall at 4am. The Wreck Site says she was torpedoed by U41,
and reassuringly adds that there were no casualties.
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From the log of the Isis, 23 February 1915:
'Stopped.
Boarded SS 'Drottning Sophie' (Swedish). Made prisoners of 3
German subjects eligible for military service.'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45020/ADM%2053-45020-099_1.jpg
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https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44344/ADM%2053-44344-089_1.jpg
HMS Hildebrand 27 July 1915
We
put an armed guard on the SS Trondhjemsfjord with orders to take her in
to Kirkwall at 4am. The Wreck Site says she was torpedoed by U41, and
reassuringly adds that there were no casualties.
This
incident is mentioned in "The Big Blockade" (E Keble Chatterton) and
the account there goes that the Master of the Trondhjemsfjord lied to
the Commanding Officer of the U-boat and did not tell him that they had a
British armed guard on board. Lt Crawford and his men were
disguised as crew and evacuated into the boats prior to the U-boat
firing a torpedo. They were all picked up by the Norwegian barque
Glance and then transferred to the Swedish SS Orlando. The armed
guard was then transferred to the trawler Princess Juliana and
eventually arrived at Thurso.
The wife of the Trondhjemsfjord's
Master was travelling with him, and I can't resist quoting the
following: "The good wife provided Crawford with some of her husband's
clothes, and, by that practised art of dissimulation so natural to her
sex, packed the officer's uniform among her own effects preparatory for
removal in one of the boats." Oh well, the book was written in
1932!
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The
wife of the Trondhjemsfjord's Master was travelling with him, and I
can't resist quoting the following: "The good wife provided Crawford
with some of her husband's clothes, and, by that practised art of
dissimulation so natural to her sex, packed the officer's uniform among
her own effects preparatory for removal in one of the boats." Oh
well, the book was written in 1932!
And some things never change.
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The
wife of the Trondhjemsfjord's Master was travelling with him, and I
can't resist quoting the following: "The good wife provided Crawford
with some of her husband's clothes, and, by that practised art of
dissimulation so natural to her sex, packed the officer's uniform among
her own effects preparatory for removal in one of the boats." Oh
well, the book was written in 1932!
And some things never change.
::) ::) ::)
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The
wife of the Trondhjemsfjord's Master was travelling with him, and I
can't resist quoting the following: "The good wife provided Crawford
with some of her husband's clothes, and, by that practised art of
dissimulation so natural to her sex, packed the officer's uniform among
her own effects preparatory for removal in one of the boats." Oh
well, the book was written in 1932!
And some things never change.
Well I can see what new year resolution you haven't made .... ;D
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;D ;)
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I assume that E Keble Chatterton did not think to ask himself what
would have happened if the uniform had been less well hidden and had
been found by the Germans....
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... and here's a variation on the interminable paint chipping and cleaning ship - cleaning torpedoes on the Isis:
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I
assume that E Keble Chatterton did not think to ask himself what would
have happened if the uniform had been less well hidden and had been
found by the Germans....
"Oh, that's my son's. He's been to a fancy dress party."
(Well ... it worked for Prince Harry.)
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From the Isis, a Mr Baker ('skipper' - but of what?) joined the ship to await court-martial.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45020/ADM%2053-45020-111_0.jpg
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45020/ADM%2053-45020-111_0.jpg)
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From the Isis, a Mr Baker ('skipper' - but of what?) joined the ship to await court-martial.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45020/ADM%2053-45020-111_0.jpg
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45020/ADM%2053-45020-111_0.jpg)
Queenstown, was one of the bases for the "Q-Ships"
see
http://www.archive.org/stream/qshipstheirstory00chatuoft#page/n11/mode/2up
by E. Keble Chatterton (the well known champion of equal recognition
for women ;D )
I seem to recall that (some) these ships had "two" crews: some merchant seamen, some R.N.. Could it be that Mr. Barker (note spelling) was the master of such a vessel?
That's my first thought ...
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or maybe he was a "skipper" as in jumping ship? ;D
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Spelling fixed, Bunts ... that was a very subtle 'r'.
:-[
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"Subtle" ???
I must get a copy of your dictionary, where Subtle = Self Important. ;)
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You've lost me, Bunts. 'Subtle" (Shorter Oxford), amongst many
other meanings, 'tenuous', 'not easily ... perceived', 'fine or
delicate, especially to such an extent as to elude observation or
analysis'. The 'r' in 'Barker' cetrainly eluded me on the first
reading.
???
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"Caesar" sold some dead men's effects but I haven't seen any notice that any crew members died.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36596/0004_1.jpg
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You've
lost me, Bunts. 'Subtle" (Shorter Oxford), amongst many other
meanings, 'tenuous', 'not easily ... perceived', 'fine or delicate,
especially to such an extent as to elude observation or analysis'.
The 'r' in 'Barker' cetrainly eluded me on the first reading.
???
Quite
so, Steeleye. It's an accusation seldom made against me; "obvious" and
"predictable" are the words Mrs Bunts normally uses. ;D She
mentions others, but they are not suitable for antipodean eyes and
ears. ;)
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:-*
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Quiite a shopping list on Himalaya - they're at Zanzibar, and record receiving these stores:
9996
lbs flour, 1336 milk, 2990 lbs sugar, 2028 lbs corned beef, 360 lbs
rabbit, 200 lbs oat meal, 200 lbs lard, 177 galls rum, 52 galls lime
juice, 78 galls vinegar, 504 ~ peas.
Their fridge is going to be absolutely jampacked.
A bit later they also get:
3 c/s ?but and 12 c/o whisky for Wardroom Mess.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44356/ADM%2053-44356-164_1.jpg
Can anyone make out what kind of peas they got, and what the Wardroom Mess got 3 cases of?
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I think it says:
split peas
3 c/s beer
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Thanks very much, Kathy, they both look convincing; I'll go back and correct my entry.
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What's that about a Computer at 9.20pm?
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;D :D I think that is computed
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Yes, I think you're right! Himalaya may have a refrigerator,
and a couple of seaplanes, but I don't think its technology is quite as
advanced as a computer. (Actually at the moment it probably only
has one seaplane, as the other one crashed and got wrecked - fortunately
the crew were picked up and as there's no mention of anyone being
discharged to hospital, I can only assume that they were OK).
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From the Isis, 1 May 1915, in Queenstown:
"Starbd watch empld provisioning ship and painting bow-wave."
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45020/ADM%2053-45020-138_1.jpg
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45020/ADM%2053-45020-138_1.jpg)
False
bow-waves seem to have been one of the more common anti-submarine
subterfuges employed over the years. On the worldnavalships.com
website there is an amusing photo of HMS Medusa (ex-M29), a monitor with
a top-speed of 10 knots when new, with a 'bow-wave' that gives the
impression that she's doing 15-20!
:o
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and that teaches me even one more new thing naval. ;D
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From the Isis, 1 May 1915, in Queenstown:
"Starbd watch empld provisioning ship and painting bow-wave."
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45020/ADM%2053-45020-138_1.jpg
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45020/ADM%2053-45020-138_1.jpg)
False
bow-waves seem to have been one of the more common anti-submarine
subterfuges employed over the years. On the worldnavalships.com
website there is an amusing photo of HMS Medusa (ex-M29), a monitor with
a top-speed of 10 knots when new, with a 'bow-wave' that gives the
impression that she's doing 15-20!
:o
8)
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https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34691/0029_1.jpg
10:30 K36 alongside with survivors from SS Euston
apparently sunk due to enemy action
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According to WreckSite.com:
http://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?57628
SS Euston [+1917]
SS
Euston, built by J. Blumer & Co., Sunderland in 1910 and owned at
the time of her loss by Euston SS. Co. Ltd. (E. Thomas Radcliffe &
Co.), London, was a British steamer of 2841 tons.
On October 25th,
1917, Euston, on a voyage from Malta to Mudros with a cargo of coal, was
sunk by the German submarine UC-34 (Horst Oberm?ller), 37 miles SW from
Cape Matapan. 1 person was lost.
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A marriage on board HMS Caesar at 1.30 pm between a sailor and a woman we only know by her name:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36596/0012_1.jpg
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From the Isis, 26 May 1915, in Queenstown:
'Hands employed provisioning ship & hoisting in propellor blades.'
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A marriage on board HMS Caesar at 1.30 pm between a sailor and a woman we only know by her name:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36596/0012_1.jpg
We've had banns of marriage read:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=209.msg28419#msg28419
but I don't recall mention of a marriage, itself, before.
I
believe that it was not then permissible for a marriage to be conducted
on board a RN ship. As she was in port, it may have been in a local
church.
Interesting.
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There was also a marriage service performed on HMS Lancaster in
Esquimalt (British Columbia) on 2 November 1918 between Lt A.G. Palliser
and Miss E Freeman. It's possible that I transcribed this one before I
was aware of the 'Riveting' thread.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46038/ADM%2053-46038-004_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46038/ADM%2053-46038-004_0.jpg)
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I've spent the last few weeks (ship time, that is) on the Isis,
based in Bermuda and patrolling north towards Baltimore and New
York. On every patrol there is sharp drop in the sea temperature
from the mid 70s to the mid 60s in the space of a few hours when
traveling northwards, and vice versa when going south. A bit of
googling shows that Isis appears to be moving in and out of the Gulf
Stream (eg
http://seacoos.org/Data%20Access%20and%20Mapping/Currents_product_desc/
(http://seacoos.org/Data%20Access%20and%20Mapping/Currents_product_desc/)).
I hadn't realised that the Gulf Stream had such a sharp western
boundary.
Nice to know that we can see some real oceanography in our old data!
;D ;D ;D
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HMS Ceres reports that HMS Cassandra struck a mine and sank. The log
is for 5th Dec 1918 so it's not got much safer just because the war's
over.
According to Wiki 10 men were lost and rest of crew evacuated but Ceres doesn't mention this.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37501/004_1.jpg
Checked the next day and found they had HMS Vendetta alongside with 9 officers and 128 men, survivors from Cassandra.
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HMS Ceres 30th Dec 1918 firing on a barracks at Riga, Latvia where
troops had mutinied. For several days previous to this they had also
been sending out armed parties to march through the town.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37501/017_0.jpg
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From HMS Glory, 13 February 1918:
'Mourners for Russian admirals funeral left ship.'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-065_1.jpg
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-065_1.jpg)
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As a change from the more common 'Discharged 2 ratings to hospital', HMS Glory reports:
'Received one cot case from shore.'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-077_0.jpg
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-077_0.jpg)
Given
that this was in Murmansk in the spring, between the Russian Revolution
and the Civil War, he was probably much better off on board!
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https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34692/0017_0.jpg
just over a month later
3:00 "Survivors from SS Jane Radcliffe on board for accomodation"
http://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?57629
and just a couple of days later
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34692/0018_0.jpg
6.30 "27 survivors from portugese steam ship "Tongue" on board for accomodation"
I think the log keeper might be misspelling the name of this ship:
http://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?168638
and another wreck
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34693/0015_0.jpg
7.00 "Received 4 officers, Survivors SS Birkhall"
http://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?145159
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On HMS Glory, 3rd April 1918:
"Cautioned Sub Lieut. Thompson, R.N.R. for being down below in his cabin when officer of the watch at 1.15 am on April 3rd."
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-094_1.jpg
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-094_1.jpg)
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I suspect that no one is very happy when Himalaya arrives and docks! On just one day in Cape Town they record:
Gardiner, domestic, placed under sentry's charge
Givnan
? stoker placed under arrest for breaking ship (I suspect this
means breaking out, rather than breaking it up, but I could be wrong!)
Landed escort for Simonstown to bring back Lambert, Stoker from HMS Minerva
Gardiner, domestic returned to duty (having probably slept it off?)
Gibbons,
Stoker RNR, transferred to HMS Mantua for passage to England (he was
court martialled about 10 days ago and has been in the cells ever since,
so this is probably to be sent to prison)
Escort returned with Stoker Lambert
Landed patrol to arrest Smith domestic
Patrol returned with prisoner
I suspect the local authorities are asking, 'when did you say you were sailing?'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44356/ADM%2053-44356-233_0.jpg
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HMS Glory, 22 April 1918:
'Fire reported in after bread room flat (ventilating fan driving room). Oak~ found smouldering. Secure."
Any suggestions as to what was smouldering?
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-104_0.jpg
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-104_0.jpg)
???
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HMS Bacchus
2.0 Discharged torpedo for TB 04~ to Europa's pinnace
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34684/0018_1.jpg
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HMS Glory, 22 April 1918:
'Fire reported in after bread room flat (ventilating fan driving room). Oak~ found smouldering. Secure."
Any suggestions as to what was smouldering?
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-104_0.jpg
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-104_0.jpg)
???
Oakum.
It's a tar impregnated fibrous material sometimes made from old rope
used for caulking between planking to make joints watertight (although I
think "waterproof" is more accurate as it's to repel water rather than
contain it; but that's just me.)
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HMS Bacchus
2.0 Discharged torpedo for TB 04~ to Europa's pinnace
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34684/0018_1.jpg
I've considered 0, 6, & 8, there are examples of those, but I think it's 3.
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Thanks Bunts :)
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On 21 February 1916 on the Euryalus they're not just cleaning the
decks they're holystoning them. Boy is that ship going to
shine! Mind you, they're preparing for coaling at the same time,
so I'm imagining someone going spare a few hours later at the mess being
made of their nice clean deck
"I just spent hours holystoning that lot, now look at it!!" ;D
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-41220/ADM%2053-41220-066_1.jpg
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-41220/ADM%2053-41220-066_1.jpg)
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Nice mix of holystone & coal and it will be a nice battleship grey, just the job ;D
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The Wikipedia article on holystoning is quite interesting (for anyone who hasn't already looked it up):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holystone
particularly the bit about it causing excessive wear on the decks! :D
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https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34694/0005_1.jpg
7:00 Three survivors from SS Roxburgh sent on board for accomodation by order of SNO
http://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?163423
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HMS Caesar - Constantinople - 21 Sept. 1919
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36598/0013_1.jpg
A Civilian brought on board by Military Police found stabbed in Back
Next day : One civilian to hospt
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36598/0014_0.jpg
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HMS Glory, 21 July 1918:
"Landed ship's tug of war team."
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-155_1.jpg
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-155_1.jpg)
It
might be summer, but in Murmansk they were probably pleased with the
chance to keep warm. Or perhaps they were just after a bit of
variety - I've been 'on board' since December 1917 and they haven't gone
anywhere in 7 months.
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HMS Himalaya, 17th July 1917:
8.30am 1 PO and 20 men landed for recruiting procession.
11.30 Recruiting Party returned.
They're in Cape Town, so I'm not entirely sure who they're trying to recruit.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44357/ADM%2053-44357-032_1.jpg
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HMS Himalaya, 17th July 1917:
8.30am 1 PO and 20 men landed for recruiting procession.
11.30 Recruiting Party returned.
They're in Cape Town, so I'm not entirely sure who they're trying to recruit.
South Africa was part of the British Empire and provided many troops for the Western Front.
"The
story of African soldiers in the First World War has received little
attention at a popular level until recently. The facts are that both
France and Britain drew heavily upon their colonies for manpower during
the war. An estimated 500,000 Africans were deployed in the French and
British forces; some as labourers, others as fighting soldiers."
http://alshaw.blogspot.com/2007/12/african-soldiers-in-world-war-one.html
"Jan
Christiaan Smuts, OM, CH, ED, KC, FRS, PC (24 May 1870 ? 11 September
1950) was a prominent South African and British Commonwealth statesman,
military leader and philosopher. In addition to holding various cabinet
posts, he served as Prime Minister of the Union of South Africa from
1919 until 1924 and from 1939 until 1948. He served in the First World
War and as a British field marshal[1] in the Second World War."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Smuts
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On HMS Glory, 11 August 1918:
'Lost overboard by Charles Rolls A.B. one goose neck hose connection. Charged 2/2.'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-168_1.jpg
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-168_1.jpg)
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From the log of HMS Glory, 17 October 1918:
'Lieut. W.B. Wood, RNR did not return on board HMS 'Glory' on 16th inst. when ordered to do so by signal.'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-204_1.jpg
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-204_1.jpg)
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Euryalus 23 Sep 1916:
"Dressed ship with masthead flags in honour of the Holy Carpet"
Holy Carpets, Batman! What's this about? ;D
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-41220/ADM%2053-41220-181_1.jpg
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Euryalus 23 Sep 1916:
"Dressed ship with masthead flags in honour of the Holy Carpet"
Holy Carpets, Batman! What's this about? ;D
It's a Muslim pilgrimage: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0D12FA345813738DDDAA0994D8415B828DF1D3
Note the date of this article.
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Can there be a stranger entry than this one from the log of HMS Glory on 31 October 1918 (and subsequent days):
'All hands mustered for gargling.'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-211_1.jpg
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-211_1.jpg)
People
have been succumbing to illness (mainly Spanish flu, one assumes) on a
regular basis in the 'Russian Intervention' fleet in Murmansk.
'Gargling' indicates how desperate things were becoming - and only 11
days to the Armistice , with a lot of people not going to get there.
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Thank's Jeff! I've learned something new today.
Entry from
the next day: Dressed ship. Salute of 18 guns in honour of Carpet, being
landed from "Hardinge". Flag transferred to "Hardinge"
Euryalus 23 Sep 1916:
"Dressed ship with masthead flags in honour of the Holy Carpet"
Holy Carpets, Batman! What's this about? ;D
It's a Muslim pilgrimage: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0D12FA345813738DDDAA0994D8415B828DF1D3
Note the date of this article.
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HMS Glory, 24 November 1918:
'R.A. Green presented D.S.M. to Bugler Gutteridge.'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-226_0.jpg
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-226_0.jpg)
Congratulations, Bugler Gutteridge!
:)
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Not exactly a 'riveting' log entry, but certainly a bit
puzzling. On 8 December 1918 on HMS Glory in Murmansk, the log
notes: 'Read articles of war'. I've not seen reference to their
being read on any other ship during my time as an OWer.
Would
anyone like to suggest why the articles would have been read at this
time? The armistice occurred almost 4 weeks prior to this
reading. The 'Russian Intervention' is still underway, but things
appear to be pretty quiet on the Glory and on the other vessels in the
fleet.
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I have seen it a few times.
Here is one link: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=978.msg9064#msg9064
More:
http://www.hmsrichmond.org/rnarticles.htm
- The 1757 version of the "Articles of War" read to the sailors on all
of our ships. The 1884 version does not seem to be digitized, but a
listing of the changes made through 1884 (the version our sailors
heard) can be found at Legislation concerning...
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1454.msg32522#msg32522 - 1884
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1396.msg14634#msg14634
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1758.msg29853#msg29853
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From the log of HMS Glory, 10 December 1918:
'The following officer has been logged by Capt. G. Hopwood.
Sub.
Lieut. C.T. Thompson, RNR disobeyed an order, as officer of the watch,
on 7/12/18, given him by the commander, thereby allowing an irregularity
to take place, against the ships orders.'
Tantalising! I'd love to know what he did.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-236_0.jpg
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-236_0.jpg)
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From the log of HMS Glory, 10 December 1918:
'The following officer has been logged by Capt. G. Hopwood.
Sub.
Lieut. C.T. Thompson, RNR disobeyed an order, as officer of the watch,
on 7/12/18, given him by the commander, thereby allowing an irregularity
to take place, against the ships orders.'
Tantalising! I'd love to know what he did.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-236_0.jpg
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-236_0.jpg)
Unless
they've got more than one Sub. Lieut. Thompson on Glory, it's the same
guy already reported for being in his cabin when he should have been
Officer of the Watch!
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In that case, the man is a complete dill! Or perhaps he's
anticipating finishing up in the RN shortly and couldn't give a toss any
more.
;D
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Not
exactly a 'riveting' log entry, but certainly a bit puzzling. On 8
December 1918 on HMS Glory in Murmansk, the log notes: 'Read articles
of war'. I've not seen reference to their being read on any other
ship during my time as an OWer.
Would anyone like to suggest why
the articles would have been read at this time? The armistice
occurred almost 4 weeks prior to this reading. The 'Russian
Intervention' is still underway, but things appear to be pretty quiet on
the Glory and on the other vessels in the fleet.
Hi Steeleye,
During
the Napoleonic era, captains sailing without a chaplain on board (and
at the time, many captains appear to have thought chaplains on board
were bad luck) could either deliver a sermon of their own on Sunday, or
read the Articles of War to essentially remind the crew of what behavior
was expected. Since 8 Dec 1918 was a Sunday, whether or not they
had a chaplain on board, I would guess that someone felt it was time to
re-read the Articles.
E.
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HMS Implacable 13th May 1915
"Goliath" sunk off Morto Bay by torpedo fire. Sent all boats to assistance of Goliaths crew.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44760/ADM%2053-44760-163_1.jpg
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HMS Isis stopped and boarde the 'triculo' late on 21 October
1915. Just after midnight she 'Removed one suspicious person from
Triculo.' No word on why the person was suspicious.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45020/ADM%2053-45020-237_0.jpg
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45020/ADM%2053-45020-237_0.jpg)
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HMS
Isis stopped and boarde the 'triculo' late on 21 October 1915.
Just after midnight she 'Removed one suspicious person from
Triculo.' No word on why the person was suspicious.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45020/ADM%2053-45020-237_0.jpg
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45020/ADM%2053-45020-237_0.jpg)
Most likely thought to be 'not one of us' ....
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HMS
Isis stopped and boarde the 'triculo' late on 21 October 1915.
Just after midnight she 'Removed one suspicious person from
Triculo.' No word on why the person was suspicious.
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Most likely thought to be 'not one of us' ....
You mean "one of those people who can't understand English unless you shout at them"?
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Most likely thought to be 'not one of us' ....
That
phrase reminds me of one of my all time favorite (children's)
books: O'Sullivan Stew. If you haven't read it, do
so. You're in for a real treat.
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On the HMS Isis, I think the 9th or 10th of November 1915, it said "boys at school". Who are they referring to?
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They had some very young crew members then - just pre-war and early
in the war boys could join as young as 12 - which wasn't very different
to the age at which most people left school and started work.
So the boys would still be being given some education. I've got the same entry on Himalaya too.
If you put 'boys' into the search box you'll find some earlier queries and answers on the topic.
And welcome to the Forum!
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I think that ship's boys were an offshoot of the ancient
apprenticeship idea that functioned as extensive trade schools.
And everyone had to structure them to care for / control young teen-age
boys. It could not have been boring. ;D
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On Bristol I have often seen things like
"Leave to Watch till 7.0a.m. + to boys till 7.0p.m."
and
"Leave to part of Watch till 7.0 a.m, to men under 20 till 10.0p.m + to boys till 7.0p.m"
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Euryalus
Two armourers crew from Minerva for exam
Painter's mate to Diana for exam
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19 June 1918
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10:30 Ship placed under quarantine through epidemic of influenza
11 July 1918
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8:10 Carpenters from Aquarius came onboard employed building 3 wood houses on deck for hydrophone officers accommodation
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HMS Empress 11th October 1917 - lost Seaplane
Flight Comdr Clemson & 2nd Lt Newton in 8021 failed to return reasons unknown
Another seaplane and a French TB had been searching for them
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25 Apr.1918 on "Lord Minto" - a very interesting evening:
Second half of https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-47270/0026_0.jpg
7pm
Arrived at No.30 buoy Heard firing also Drifter blowing steam whistle
about 3 Mls in SE direction. Went up to drifter & found them trying
to sink a mine which was awash. Prince Leo & Kate Lewis also closed
& fired on it until dark but unable to sink it. I dropped down buoy
& reported by W/T then proceeded to night station at 8.40
Expended 1 round 12pds for active sinking mine.
7.30 Received message from French Airship Reporting something suspicious seen Seven miles from us.
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HMS Empress 15th April 1918 at Port Said - they sent a fire party to SS Proton but the Proton sank a few hours later
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HMS Empress 15th April 1918 at Port Said - they sent a fire party to SS Proton but the Proton sank a few hours later
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40785/0170_1.jpg
You
can read the story of the Proton's fire and the resulting Albert
Medal for Commander Walter Henry Calthrop, R.N. here. It seems as
if it was a very good thing that she sank/was sunk!
http://www.naval-history.net/WW1NavyBritishLGDecorationszzAlbertMedal.htm
I am not sure where Com Calthrop came from. Was he the Commander of the Empress?
K
Warning, there are some incredibly harrowing stories if you continue reading that list of citations for medals!
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HMS Empress 15th April 1918 at Port Said - they sent a fire party to SS Proton but the Proton sank a few hours later
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40785/0170_1.jpg
You
can read the story of the Proton's fire and the resulting Albert
Medal for Commander Walter Henry Calthrop, R.N. here. It seems as
if it was a very good thing that she sank/was sunk!
http://www.naval-history.net/WW1NavyBritishLGDecorationszzAlbertMedal.htm
I am not sure where Com Calthrop came from. Was he the Commander of the Empress?
K
Warning, there are some incredibly harrowing stories if you continue reading that list of citations for medals!
Thanks
for finding that. It's an amazing story. How can the log keeper of the
Empress put "Fire party returned (ship sank)" considering what was
actually happening? You can take the British stiff upper lip too far!
I
don't think Com Calthrop is from the Empress. The Commander is
E.D.Drury if I'm reading the signature correctly from the front of the
log books.
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HMS Empress 15th April 1918 at Port Said - they sent a fire party to SS Proton but the Proton sank a few hours later
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40785/0170_1.jpg
You
can read the story of the Proton's fire and the resulting Albert
Medal for Commander Walter Henry Calthrop, R.N. here. It seems as
if it was a very good thing that she sank/was sunk!
http://www.naval-history.net/WW1NavyBritishLGDecorationszzAlbertMedal.htm
I am not sure where Com Calthrop came from. Was he the Commander of the Empress?
K
Warning, there are some incredibly harrowing stories if you continue reading that list of citations for medals!
Thanks
for finding that. It's an amazing story. How can the log keeper of the
Empress put "Fire party returned (ship sank)" considering what was
actually happening? You can take the British stiff upper lip too far!
I
don't think Com Calthrop is from the Empress. The Commander is
E.D.Drury if I'm reading the signature correctly from the front of the
log books.
As he was contacted by 'phone, and he knew about the 240 tons of ammunition, it seems that he was shore based.
Sailing a desk isn't without its hazards.
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I wonder if he was the commander of the port - if there is such a thing.
That part about being notified by telephone suggests land to me.
drat - too slow!
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Only because I didn't search for N.T.O.
Naval Transport Officer
(?Navy - I didn't find it) seems a possibility. He'd have known the
ships' manifests and (intended) destination.
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The person on the phone could have told him the cargo...
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True.
Although (defending my corner) in the citation he knew rather than was informed.
Pedant? Moi?
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http://www.naval-history.net/WW1NavyBritishLGDecorationszzAlbertMedal.htm
K
Warning, there are some incredibly harrowing stories if you continue reading that list of citations for medals!
Thanks for posting that, Keith. I was very excited to find that two
Startin's had received the Albert Medal. Unfortunately I am too
busy transcribing logs to spend time on researching my family history,
so am still ignorant as to whether I am related to them or not!
Su (Startin)
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http://www.naval-history.net/WW1NavyBritishLGDecorationszzAlbertMedal.htm
K
Warning, there are some incredibly harrowing stories if you continue reading that list of citations for medals!
Thanks for posting that, Keith. I was very excited to find that two
Startin's had received the Albert Medal. Unfortunately I am too
busy transcribing logs to spend time on researching my family history,
so am still ignorant as to whether I am related to them or not!
Su (Startin)
Copy that to the addiction thread ;D
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HMS Empress, Seaplane Carrier, September 14th, 1919:
The following awarded Russian Order of St. George (4th Class):
Chief Mechanic D. Roberts 238293 RAF
Chief Mechanic H.A.C. Oland K16200 RAF
Serg.t Smith f.f. 329900 RAF
A.C. II A. Brown 243177 RAF
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HMS Empress 13th November 1918
Seaplanes escorting Allied fleet heading for Constantinople after the Armistice
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HMS Hildebrand, 12 January 1917
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The wind was force 6/7 and described as very squally.
"Seaman Coleman whilst relieving masthead lookout was washed off foreward house receiving injuries to his back."
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HMS Hyacinth, 20 May 1916
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Found HMS Manica on a reef.
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And I found Manica's log for that date. She did not have a
happy crew! Her captain and officers weren't even allowed to stay
in command of her crew during the rescue!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48166/ADM%2053-48166-013_0.jpg
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Ran over the tow rope, eh?
Which of us hasn't done that? :-\
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I remembered having transcribed Challenger's log page for that date. Here it is:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37520/ADM53-37520-0032_0.jpg
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Really fascinating to have all three accounts of this drama - an unexpected bonus of this project and the Forum!
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1916 wasn't a good year for ships in East Africa! Himalaya ran
aground off Mikindani, 10th Dec 1916. Depending on how you read it, you
might think you paid for assistance with a few beef sandwiches!
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7.19 Entered channel
7.25 Run aground. Sounding 3 1/2 ftms. Full speed ahead.
7.27 Stop. Full speed astern
7.30 Stopped.
8.00 Hands employed laying out kedge anchor on Str Quarter
11.20 Whaler "Echo" anchored close on Port Quarter
12.0 Supplied "Echo" 30lb beef, 50lbs bread, 96 lbs flour
3.3 Used Engines as requisite to refloat ship
3.10 Steam cutter + 1st cutter standing by to pick up kedge anchor
3.30 Ship refloated with aid of Whaler "Echo"
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On HMS Isis, 26 December 1917, in Halifax, Nova Scotia:
'Landed 53 men & 1 lieut. to work about ruins ashore, caused by explosion.'
This
was the explosion on 6 December in which the French SS Mont Blanc,
carrying ammunition, blew up after colliding with the Norwegian SS
Imo. Approximately 2000 people were killed. Isis was in
Halifax in late November before the explosion and returned again a few
days before Christmas. They were lucky not to be there for the
event.
I recall another OWer mentioning the explosion, but I can't remember if their ship was in port at the time.
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Here:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1858.msg23111#msg23111
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=527.msg4517#msg4517
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Hi randi_2, Thanks for the links. The logs of major events can
be quite fascinating - so concise and matter-of-fact, and nothing
upsets the routine ('Hands to dinner' a couple of hours after the
explosion). I was transcribing the logs for Grafton when she was
torpedoed near Malta. The event was reported and the damage
summarised, and then there was no further mention of it.
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An entertaining day for HMS Isis in Hampton Roads. After
having her cable fouled by SS 'Oldbeck' drifting past dragging her
anchor, Isis had multiple episodes of anchor dragging herself caused by
drifting sludge ice. While trying to coal, the coaling scow broke
adrift ... and so it went on. Hampton Roads is obviously a tricky
place to coal in the depths of winter.
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On convoy duty with HMS Isis in the North Atlantic, 22 January 1918:
'Thunder bolt fell close to port side.'
Five
minutes later, the wind dropped suddenly from Force 10 to Force 2, and
stayed down for the next several hours. Bizarre weather.
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10 March 1917, HMS Hildebrand
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8.50am A/c to intercept small boat
9.10 Stopped rescued survivors of British SS Newstead
The Newstead was torpedoed on 3 March 1917 by U49, so the survivors had been waiting a week to be rescued.
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12 March 1917, HMS Hildebrand
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"Mr
G W Thornton James was this day reprimanded by the Captain for that he
did on March 10th when on duty as WT operator improperly send the
"Urgent Emergency Signal" in direct disregard of the verbal instructions
he had received and the printed orders exhibited in the WT Cabinet
[signed W Thornton-James WT RNR]"
The second element of the
surname is a bit of an enthusiastic guess - I'm reasonably confident
about the J and the M, though the 4th letter looks like it could be an A
and the 5th could perhaps be an N.
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For once the signature is clearer - it seems fairly clearly 'James'
there, though I agree with you that the written version is much less
obvious.
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HMS Endymion, 17th November 1916, at 'Salonica'
'Sent 1st Lt Clark & guard of Leading Seamen to investigate mutinous conduct of crew of HMS G21'
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HMS Ark Royal being fumigated for typhus. One man has died and
several others are in hospital. Forgive my perspective, but the
entry at 4:45 PM is the one that stopped me:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34110/0080_0.jpg
Jeff
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HMS
Ark Royal being fumigated for typhus. One man has died and
several others are in hospital. Forgive my perspective, but the
entry at 4:45 PM is the one that stopped me:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34110/0080_0.jpg
Jeff
That would definitely have stopped me too ... :(
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That must have been very hard on the crew :( :'(
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HMS
Ark Royal being fumigated for typhus. One man has died and
several others are in hospital. Forgive my perspective, but the
entry at 4:45 PM is the one that stopped me:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34110/0080_0.jpg
Jeff
That would definitely have stopped me too ... :(
Same here.
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That gave me quite a jolt. :(
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The nearest thing to action on HMS Fox
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42086/0010_0.jpg
She
is near Loheiya in May 1916 in the Red Sea and has provided crew for
the Launch Kamaran which is active against smugglers, presumably those
bringing arms etc for the Turks or for Arabs that support them.
5.40 Kamaran returned alongside having driven ashore & burned dhow with contraband.
And the following day, just for a bit of variety.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42086/0010_1.jpg
5.00 Kamaran returned having driven ashore & destroyed sambak with contraband.
(
Presumably in both cases Kamaran drove the ships ashore, not Kamaran
was amphibious!!! Oh for some clear objects and subjects in some of
these entries!).
Eventually managed to find confirmation that a sambak is another type of boat common in the Red Sea, here:
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Wv4ZuR4yPD8C&pg=PA62&lpg=PA62&dq="sambak"+boat&source=bl&ots=nfWWe1hewD&sig=w4XoUfxWgIRWs1Yp29hx6h1JLUY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=P_ErT-KSJsLitQahiLXVDA&ved=0CB4Q6A
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Generally, I have only taken a passing look at the number on the
sick list on the ships that I have been working on. This evening, I
was very surprised to find that HMS Isis had 40 on the sick list on 24
June 1918 when she was westward bound in the North Atlantic. This
is almost 10% of her crew of about 450. I then went back through
the logs to see when the jump occurred. For most of the logs, the
number on the sick list ranged from 1 to 8, with a high of 12 in late
March 1918. In late June the numbers go as follows:
18 June 7 (sailed from Lamlash, Scotland)
19 June 5
20 June 5
21 June 10
22 June 14
23 June 22
24 June 40
(Looking forward, on 25 June there were 44 sick.)
The obvious culprit would be the early stages of Spanish flu. Wikipedia makes the following the note about Spanish flu:
'In
the United States, the disease was first observed at Haskell County,
Kansas, in January 1918. On 4 March 1918, company cook Albert Gitchell
reported sick at Fort Riley, Kansas. By noon on March 11, 1918, over 100
soldiers were in the hospital.[16] Within days, 522 men at the camp had
reported sick.[17] By March 11, 1918 the virus had reached Queens, New
York.[18]
In August 1918, a more virulent strain appeared
simultaneously in Brest, France, in Freetown, Sierra Leone, and in the
U.S. in Boston, Massachusetts. The Allies of World War I came to call it
the Spanish flu, primarily because the pandemic received greater press
attention after it moved from France to Spain in November 1918. Spain
was not involved in the war and had not imposed wartime censorship.'
More on this when I've gone forward a bit further.
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The plot thickens, then thins, on the Isis (see previous posting on the last page). Number on sick list:
25 June 48
26 June 48
27 June 37
28 June 24
29 June 20 (arrived in Halifax)
30 June 13
1 July 10
No
sick crewmen were discharged in Halifax, and there is no mention of
widespread illness on board (other than the sick list). Maybe the
illness was something much more mundane than flu.
Has anyone else come across these sorts of fluctuation?
???
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Hi Steeleye
There is a thread 1918 - 19 Influenza epidemic here. http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=389.0
I
remember HMS Odin having 68 of a nominal crew of 134 on the sick list.
She had to lock up her signal books as no one with security clearance
was fit enough to handle them.
However, unlike many ships she didnt lose anyone, at least no deaths were reported.
Enjoy the thread
K
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Here's another about No on sick list: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=133.msg822#msg822
There was also a blog about it: http://blogs.zooniverse.org/oldweather/2011/01/hms-africa-in-action-against-orthomyxoviridae/
Also, I found this on HMS Bristol off Mexico:
June 1914
23(8), 24(8), 25(6), 26(8), 27(8), 28(9), 29(10), 30(9)
July 1914
1(11),
2(11), 3(13), 4(16), 5(18), 6(22), 7(28), 8(39), 9(56), 10(71), 11(72),
12(60), 13(54), 14(47), 15(40), 16(27), 17(20), 18(13), 19(9), 20(7),
21(11), 22(10), 23(8), 24(7)
No comment or explanation...
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I've seen fluctuating sick lists on the Mantua, when she was on
convoy duty off West Africa - the crew seemed generally to stay pretty
healthy while she was on the Atlantic Patrol. I've thought it was
likely to be food poisoning/gastro-enteritis - I don't have any evidence
for this, but I think it's a fair assumption that hygiene standards
were a lot lower back then.
Incidentally, the Mantua has been
credited with bringing the more virulent strain of Spanish flu you
mentioned to Freetown. She arrived in port with around 250 sick
crew members and it spread from there. Unfortunately the logs we
have had on this project did not go up to August 1918. Perhaps her
later voyages are not of much interest to the scientists, but they must
be fascinating from the historical viewpoint. I am still hoping
more logs will come up in the next tranche.
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Hi all,
Thanks for the feedback on this - it's fascinating. I've
just gone through most of the posts on the posts on the '1918-19
influenza epidemic' thread and that is obviously where I should have
posted my original comment on HMS Isis.
Cheers
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On HMS Isis, 24 July 1918:
'Sale of effects of
R. Goodman A.B. No 114 (discharged)
E. Jaycock Boy No 160 (lost overboard)'
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A really busy day in Bombay - lots of crew and captain swapping with
HMS Euryalus, HMS Venus, HMS Sapphire, HMS Northbrook, HMS Britomart:
30th October 1917:
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Just started working on HMS Coventry and on 10th July 1920 they
dressed the ship and "HMY Victoria & Albert with HM the King steamed
round fleet".
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-74331/025_1.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-74331/025_1.jpg)
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HMS Hibernia - 8th July 1915
Landed Church party (300) for Special Service in Rosyth Dockyard conducted by His Grace the Archbishop of York
While
trying to find out what this was about I found a picture showing the
service which is rather impressive. I still don't know why they were
having it though!
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44275/0078_0.jpg
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22nd June 1914, HMS Topaze at Torbay = Dressed ship overall in honour of H.M King George V's coronation
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HMS Hibernia - 8th July 1915
Landed Church party (300) for Special Service in Rosyth Dockyard conducted by His Grace the Archbishop of York
While
trying to find out what this was about I found a picture showing the
service which is rather impressive. I still don't know why they were
having it though!
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44275/0078_0.jpg
I
suppose it's possible it was special simply because the Archbishop was
there? 8th July doesn't sound like a particular religious feast.
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HMS Hibernia - 8th July 1915
Landed Church party (300) for Special Service in Rosyth Dockyard conducted by His Grace the Archbishop of York
While
trying to find out what this was about I found a picture showing the
service which is rather impressive. I still don't know why they were
having it though!
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44275/0078_0.jpg
I suppose it's possible it was special simply because the Archbishop was there? 8th July doesn't sound like a particular religious feast.
That is what I was thinking :-\
I didn't find any obvious historical ties - but I didn't look very hard ;)
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HMS St George, 24th April 1913. Engaged in fleet exercises in the
channel - spent the entire morning attacking the "blue fleet"
(For a second there I thought I'd forgotten what date WW1 started!)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-61152/0041_0.jpg
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It gave me some pause too! She sights some RN vessels and then opens
fire on them. Some pretty serious exercises going on there and
still 16 months to the kick-off.
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It
gave me some pause too! She sights some RN vessels and then opens fire
on them. Some pretty serious exercises going on there and still 16
months to the kick-off.
Just like the good old days with a Jonny Wilkinson pre-match warm up. ;D
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St George, 6 May 1913:
'Fired Royal Salute of 21 guns and paraded guards in honour of Accession of King George V.'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-61152/0047_0.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-61152/0047_0.jpg)
The Good Ship St George was also dressed and undressed before and after the event. Sounds a bit risque. :o
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HMS Hannibal, Alexandria, 21st August 1916
It was
reported this afternoon, that after fumigating there was a certain
amount of leakage. This was investigated at once by Fleet Surgeon, Engr
Lt Sams & m.a.a. & all persons were ordered out of any place
affected by fumes.
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How times have changed ... HMS Himalaya, 5th April 1918, Rio de Janeiro, and getting ready to go to sea again.
'Received two bags mails for HM Principal Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, Foreign Office, London.'
Now I expect it would all be e-mailed in a moment ...
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HMS Hannibal, Alexandria, 8th September 1916
1.40 Officers servant found in motor boat. (somnambulist)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43712/212_0.jpg
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HMS Isis, in the North Atlantic, on November 12th 1918,
'Divisions.Prayers. Read HM the Kings message to all ratings'
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HMS Isis, in the North Atlantic, on November 12th 1918,
'Divisions.Prayers. Read HM the Kings message to all ratings'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45040/ADM%2053-45040-258_1.jpg
Thanks for posting that. There are relatively few references to the Armistice in the logs and it led me to look around.
From http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwone/mirror07_01.shtml
this seems to be (part of) the King's message:
"The King has sent congratulatory messages to the Navy, Army and Air Force.
Navy: 'Never in its history has the Royal Navy with God's help, done greater things for us.' "
No mention of splicing the mainbrace.
That link also lists the terms of the Armistice and other relevant details.
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It never occurred to me to wonder about the dangers of sleep-walking on a war ship! Yikes!
HMS Hannibal, Alexandria, 8th September 1916
1.40 Officers servant found in motor boat. (somnambulist)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43712/212_0.jpg
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HMS Isis, in the North Atlantic, on November 12th 1918,
'Divisions.Prayers. Read HM the Kings message to all ratings'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45040/ADM%2053-45040-258_1.jpg
Thanks for posting that. There are relatively few references to the Armistice in the logs and it led me to look around.
From http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwone/mirror07_01.shtml
this seems to be (part of) the King's message:
"The King has sent congratulatory messages to the Navy, Army and Air Force.
Navy: 'Never in its history has the Royal Navy with God's help, done greater things for us.' "
No mention of splicing the mainbrace.
Having said that ...
HMS Liverpool 11 Nov 1918 Mudros
7.0pm
"Spliced main brace in celebration of armistice with Germany"
I wonder when it became "The" Armistice, and Armistice with a capital letter?
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I know it's only a typo (at least, I hope it is), but the air
pressure at midnight on the Topaze while in Portland is certainly
impressive!
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-63279/0135_1.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-63279/0135_1.jpg)
:o
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On HMS Topaze, at portland on 14th Feb :
Ch Art Engr Shephard was
today absent without leave for 17 hours. He did not make every
endeavour to return as soon as possible. (2) He has disregarded the
orders issued by the V.A.C.F. No 382 dated 10th Jan '15 whereby he did
not receive the instruction to return on board being issued by a Patrol.
(3) He omitted to leave his address on board.
Who's a naughty boy - did he have a Valentines Date?
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on 20th feb, HMS Topaze, the only entry after 12:00 noon is:
Stopped in accordance with admiralty instructions.
This is followed by ablank page, then http://www.oldweather.org/classify?vessel_id=4edec02c14d0450578003659
which I thinks says
Following
received from Admiralty to all ships number 122 alterations in Harwich
Approach cantained in notice to mariners number 685 and 686 have been
carried out. (2209)
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Am I going daft :
http://www.oldweather.org/classify/edit/4f35268bbed9981f6a000097 is for
20th Feb 1915, Topaze, as is
http://www.oldweather.org/classify/edit/4f353308bed998206b0007c6 -
except this one carries on normally after 12:00.
After the latter
one, I was given the start of Feb again, and the information was the
same as i remembered, but looking at these 2 together now, they are in a
different hand writing.
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# Good-day, Sunshine! Dah-da-dah #
(I feel much better now)
As I have often done, you've posted your "personal" url instead of the "view-by-all" .jpeg.
As
the information is the same, it looks like the second log keeper
decided that if he had to accept responsibility for the page it would be
all his own work. Or maybe he didn't notice the partial page. (I've
done that.)
Bunts
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See here for correct way to post a link to a page: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1073.msg10001#msg10001
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Talk about last minute excitement! Himalaya has just arrived
in Devonport, having been away from the UK for just over 2 years, with
very few encounters with any kind of enemy. At 5am on May 7th:
Sighted
periscope of enemy submarine 2 pts on Stbd bow. Fired 2 rounds
from S1 gun. Incr. to full speed a/c as requisite to ram.
Periscope again broke surface astern and was not observed again.
Escorting destroyers proceeded in chase. Courses & speeds as
requisite to enter harbour. 7.0 Entered harbour.
I don't mind admitting my heart was in my mouth, even though I knew they'd obviously come to no harm!
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44357/ADM%2053-44357-204_1.jpg
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And this one's just intriguing - on 14th May, Himalaya records:
Discharged four cases for National War Museum and 1 package for Admiral King Hall.
I'd love to know what was in those four cases - and the package for that matter.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44357/ADM%2053-44357-208_0.jpg
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From the log of HMS Topaze, 7 June 1915, in Grimsby:
'Observed reflections of flames NNW & WSW of ship. Heard aircraft believed to be going South.'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-63284/0004_1.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-63284/0004_1.jpg)
Checking
the air action on the night of 6/7 June
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeppelin
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeppelin)) indicates that Hull (NNW of
Grimsby) was attacked by Zeppelin L9. The Wikipedia article
states:
'The Naval airships also tried to raid London. L.10
attempted to reach the city on 4 June, strong winds led the commander to
misjudge his position and the bombs were dropped on Gravesend. L.9 was
also diverted by the weather on 6?7 June, attacking Hull instead of
London and causing considerable damage. On the same night an Army raid
of three Zeppelins also failed because of the weather; in an added blow,
as the craft returned to Evere they coincided with a preplanned raid by
RNAS aircraft flying from Furnes, France. LZ.38 was destroyed on the
ground while LZ.37 was intercepted in the air by R. A. J. Warneford in
his Morane Parasol, he dropped six 20 pounds (9.1 kg) Hales bombs on the
zeppelin which caught fire and crashed into the convent school of
Sint-Amandsberg. Two nuns were killed and the entire crew of the
Zeppelin also died except for one man. Flight S/L Warneford was awarded
the Victoria Cross for his achievement. As a further consequence of the
raid both the Army and Navy withdrew from all bases in Belgium; the
vulnerability of such sites was now clear.'
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From the log of HMS Topaze, 9 June 1915, in Grimsby:
'Exd. Small Arm Cos with new Japanese rifle'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-63284/0005_1.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-63284/0005_1.jpg)
A bit of a surprise for 1915.
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I was surprised too when I first came across mention of Japanese
firearms in the logs, but it seems they were in quite extensive use in
WW1.
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A follow on to my messages last Friday - here are the correct images
(sorry, I forgot)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-63279/0152_1.jpg and
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-63280/0011_0.jpg, but I've
also gone through the rest of Feb from 1st to 20th, and all the pages
were rewritten by someone else.
And after the first log for 20th Feb,
was this page
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-63279/0154_0.jpg and this
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-63279/0154_1.jpg.
Why would
20 days logs we closed and copied out by someone else - I didn't notice
anything different between the 2 sets, but I didn't do a close
comparison.
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This has happened on at least one of the other ships, the Carnarvon,
where a couple of months of logs were presented twice in different
handwriting. I have no idea why this happened, but apparently it
is very useful on the project as it helps to gauge accuracy!
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my guess is that one set of the duplicate logs is the actual day to
day set, filled out on the ship and the other set is the "fair copy"
sent monthly to the Admiralty - the two sets were probably shelved
together in storage.
Kathy
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my
guess is that one set of the duplicate logs is the actual day to day
set, filled out on the ship and the other set is the "fair copy" sent
monthly to the Admiralty - the two sets were probably shelved together
in storage.
Kathy
In
the Carnarvon's case they were both "fair" copies as there were months
of logs in a single set of handwriting - no-one can be on duty for that
long! I actually suspect that some ships kept three copies - the
original copy filled out watch by watch, a fair copy for the Admiralty,
and another fair copy for the Captain's benefit.
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I thought as the 20th Feb entry ended so suddenly with the lines
'Stopped in accordance with admiralty instructions' that someone was
trying to lose something from the original copy - I must have a
suspicious mind.
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hum - you do have to wonder why the Admiralty wanted the log stopped :o
I bet you are right Su - there probably were 2 fair copies - the Captain would probably want one also -
Kathy
I
wonder if the Admiralty wanted the log stopped because the type of log
book was changed - I have transcribed 2 different types myself - the
columns were the same, just the page was laid out differently. K.
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HMS Hibernia - 31st December 1915
Received 33 survivors from SS St. Oswald on board
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44275/0178_1.jpg
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HMS Hibernia - 9th January 1916 - just heading back into Kephalo
Several heavy explosions & much firing in Gallipoli
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44275/0185_1.jpg
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(Me again!) HMS Hibernia - 11th January 1916
Sent both picket boats equipped for service to fire 14" torpedoes at Sunken ships at C. Helles
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44275/0186_1.jpg
They returned the next day having fired 4 torpedoes
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HMS Topaze, Adriatic, 15/09/1915 - a bit of excitement: 6.25
Observed large Hostile submarineby SEbE. a/c as reqd. Increased to 200
Revs. 6.33 Opened fire. 6.37 Submarine submerged - ceased fire. Called
italian destroyer to search for submarine.
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HMS Hildebrand - we went through some terrible weather at the end of
October 1917, with two of the boats washed away and several others
damaged, then:
31 October 1917
11.10 Boarded Danish schooner "Ester" disabled
12.20 Made fast tow rope. Proceeded with S/V in tow
7.30 S/V Ester cast off towline 1 1/2 West of Ellidaey Is
I suppose they must have made repairs to the ship while under tow and decided they could now make it on their own.
1 November 1917
11.35 Obs wreck of S/V on Skieret reef. Closed to examine. 5 men apparently salving part of cargo.
1.20
Sent prize crew onboard HMS Tenby Castle. Lieut in charge of
trawler reported wreck to be Schooner "Ester" of Denmark total wreck on
Skieret reef. Crew of Ester safe onshore in hospital, fishermen salving
Cargo.
Oh well ... at least we tried!
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44346/ADM%2053-44346-038_1.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44346/ADM%2053-44346-041_1.jpg
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HMS Fox, 1st october 1917 - log entry : 26th August SS Diyatalawa
Collided with ship on Port Bow + damaged No 1 Port 4.7 inch Gun
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On HMS Topaze, 18 November 1915:
'Sighted lifebuoy & floating wreckage. Co as reqte to examine it.'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-63289/0010_0.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-63289/0010_0.jpg)
Topaze was patrolling in the Adriatic, between Brindisi and Albania at the time.
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On HMS Topaze 2/2/1916, near Brindisi , Adriatic:
8.5 Large explosion on Starb'd quarter SSE. 10' Merchant ship sunk.
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HMS Topaze, 14th Feb 1916 - 1.45
Sighted a bright white light on Starb'd bow
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HMS Topaze, 27 April 1916, Brindisi - 3.30 Football party landed
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HMS Topaze, Gibraltar, 13th June 1916
9.10 Landed Party for Memorial Service to Lord Kitchener
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HMS Hannibal, 1st April 1917, in Alexandria:
3.45pm 33 survivors came on board from HMT Cardinal
5pm 33 survivors discharged to Passport Office
I haven't been able to find any more information about the Cardinal (yet!) so I don't know the rest of the story.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43713/0090_1.jpg
On
15th April there are more survivors (41) , this time they arrived on
HMS Verbena, and a search of naval history.net found a record of a
troopship, the Arcadian, torpedoed in the Aegean. There were 9
naval casualties, of whom 8 were from Hannibal, on passage.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43713/0097_1.jpg
This
sent me back to check the records for 31st March and 1st April in case
Cardinal was a red herring (as it were) and not the actual source of the
survivors - but I still can't find any mention of it at all.
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HMS Hannibal, 1st April 1917, in Alexandria:
3.45pm 33 survivors came on board from HMT Cardinal
5pm 33 survivors discharged to Passport Office
I haven't been able to find any more information about the Cardinal (yet!) so I don't know the rest of the story.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43713/0090_1.jpg
On
15th April there are more survivors (41) , this time they arrived on
HMS Verbena, and a search of naval history.net found a record of a
troopship, the Arcadian, torpedoed in the Aegean. There were 9
naval casualties, of whom 8 were from Hannibal, on passage.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43713/0097_1.jpg
This
sent me back to check the records for 31st March and 1st April in case
Cardinal was a red herring (as it were) and not the actual source of the
survivors - but I still can't find any mention of it at all.
That could be a find.
"HMT" - check.
"Arcadian" / "Cardinal" - Chinese Whispers?
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HMS Hannibal, 1st April 1917, in Alexandria:
3.45pm 33 survivors came on board from HMT Cardinal
5pm 33 survivors discharged to Passport Office
I haven't been able to find any more information about the Cardinal (yet!) so I don't know the rest of the story.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43713/0090_1.jpg
On
15th April there are more survivors (41) , this time they arrived on
HMS Verbena, and a search of naval history.net found a record of a
troopship, the Arcadian, torpedoed in the Aegean. There were 9
naval casualties, of whom 8 were from Hannibal, on passage.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43713/0097_1.jpg
This
sent me back to check the records for 31st March and 1st April in case
Cardinal was a red herring (as it were) and not the actual source of the
survivors - but I still can't find any mention of it at all.
That could be a find.
"HMT" - check.
"Arcadian" / "Cardinal" - Chinese Whispers?
Furthermore:
HMS Hannibal 30 Apr 1917 Alexandria
"5.10(pm) 1 Rating discharged to HMT Cardinal"
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43713/0105_0.jpg
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From Hannibal 2 May 1917:
"On April 7th 1917. D.D. Missing
believed drowned from H.M. Transport "Areadian" Archibald, Vernon
Tavender, Ord Sea, J67088 aged 31 years; Edward William Stone, Stoker II
cl K37680 aet 26 years; Harry Jellyman, Stoker II cl, K39766 aet 33
years; William George Wiltshire (ord sea), J67093 aet 23 years; Walter
Edwin Harry Wilcox Ord Sea J67102. aet 18 years. Percy Tomkins, Sto II
cl. K37875. aet 34 years; George John Crothall, Sto II cl, K39194 aet 40
years; Thomas Robert Scott, Sto II K39618 aet 30 years; Henry Wood, Ord
Sea, J67104 aet 29 years."
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43713/0108_0.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43713/0108_0.jpg)
Not sure about the name of the ship.
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It might be Arcadian but I agree it isn't easy to read.
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It was the Arcadian.
Here is an interesting account of the
disaster: http://www.firstworldwar.com/diaries/torpedoed.htm
(http://www.firstworldwar.com/diaries/torpedoed.htm)
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Excellent find. :)
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Attack on Hodeidah (Al Hudaydah, Yemen). HMS Topaze 29th June 1917.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-63308/0014_1.jpg
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HMS Jessamine's logs, 17 October 1918: https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45363/ADM%2053-45363-190_1.jpg
For the few days, the Jessamine has been "escorting the S/S Huntscliff in company with the HMS Zinnia and a couple of USS tugs".
Just came across the following log entry:
6.20 S/S Huntscliff sunk all survivors picked up Capt 4 officers & 4 men
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It might be five weeks since the Armistice (18 December 1918), but
the crew of the St George are still up to their wicked ways:
'Read Warrants Nos 696, 697, 698, 699, 700, 701 and 702.'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-61200/0011_0.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-61200/0011_0.jpg)
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On HMS St George, 22 December 1918:
'Captain of S/S Celtic Pride brought onboard under arrest.'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-61200/0013_0.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-61200/0013_0.jpg)
I wonder what he did, naughty chap.
???
... and on the 30 December, all is revealed:
'Lieut.
C.R. Willcocks R.N.R. Commanding Officer of HMFM S/S Celtic Pride did
not on the 20th Dec., 1918, use every endeavour to carry out his orders
for sailing and is hereby cautioned accordingly.'
This entry is
signed by Lieut. Willcocks and Captain Olivier of the St George, who was
the Senior Naval Officer at Salonika. Later that day, Lieut
Willcocks was discharged to the D.N.T.O.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-61200/0017_0.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-61200/0017_0.jpg)
:o
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Whatever does "HMFM" stand for? I've never seen that one before. ???
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His Majesty's Fleet something or another?
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Whatever does "HMFM" stand for? I've never seen that one before. ???
Randi 2 recently posted that it may be HM Fleet Messenger.
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=418.msg36821#msg36821
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His Majesty's Fleet something or another?
randi_2revealed very recently:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=418.msg36821#msg36821
Edir And she's not the only one:
and (more definitely) lollia, a couple of days earlier:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=671.msg36637#msg36637
and last year, Tegwen & jenfurr; and back in 2010, brjrn.
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His Majesty's Fleet something or another?
randi_2revealed very recently:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=418.msg36821#msg36821
Edir And she's not the only one:
and (more definitely) lollia, a couple of days earlier:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=671.msg36637#msg36637
and last year, Tegwen & jenfurr; and back in 2010, brjrn.
All together on the chorus.
I didnt realise that I had posted on the subject, although it appears that it was just a paste from another site.
Pasting information into a post like that is a bit like the definition of a lecture.
"A
device to transfer information from the notes of one person to the
notes of several others without it staying in the minds of any of them.
!!"
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All together on the chorus.
I didnt realise that I had posted on the subject, although it appears that it was just a paste from another site.
Pasting information into a post like that is a bit like the definition of a lecture.
"A
device to transfer information from the notes of one person to the
notes of several others without it staying in the minds of any of them.
!!"
;D
But with a search facility, it's available to them as missed the lecture.
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So the war is nearly over, and someone on Hannibal has time on his hands ....
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43714/0180_1.jpg
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So the war is nearly over, and someone on Hannibal has time on his hands ....
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43714/0180_1.jpg
;D
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So the war is nearly over, and someone on Hannibal has time on his hands ....
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43714/0180_1.jpg
He obviously likes his handiwork because he has repeated it for December
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43714/0197_1.jpg
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Whoops, some-one has left a copy of their magazine over this log,
and got it scanned - luckily its a cover page, and not daily log
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-33834/0037_1.jpg
for HMS Aphis, start of Nov 1920
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I have no idea what is going on here.
From HMS Topaze July 1918 in Suez.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-63321/0013_1.jpg
At 11.40 Received 65 bottles of "Unity". ( At least that is my best reading of it)
Then at 5.00pm we have
Discharged empty "Unity" bottles.
Presumably
it cant be alcoholic, and 65 ordinary sized bottles of anything wouldnt
go very far between about 300 crew members, but probably too far for it
to be rum, unless perhaps they decanted the bottles into casks for
distribution later.
Sensible alternative suggestions only please, not that that ever stopped any of you (us) before ;)
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Wisky/Whisky?
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Wisky/Whisky?
If
it is intended to say whisky then the log keeper got more than his fair
share of it, and started before he wrote that the bottles were on
board. ;)
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If it was whisky (which I'm not convinced by) then the whole crew
would have been pretty out of it, having consumed all those bottles in
about 5 hours!
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On Hood, 10th June 1924 - Squadron dance held onboard
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Hood again, now Vancouver, 26th june 1924 - Squadron "At Home" held on board
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If
it was whisky (which I'm not convinced by) then the whole crew would
have been pretty out of it, having consumed all those bottles in about 5
hours!
I
did a few sums in my spare time. Assuming standard 750 ml bottles, 65
would give 162ml to each of c300 crew. ( Wikipedia says that was the
normal complement of a Jewel class cruiser). A standard rum issue was
one eighth of a pint, which is c71ml, so these bottles would have
supplied more than twice the normal rum ration per person.
A
standard pub measure of 25ml of 70% proof spirit is c1 unit. Navy rum
was I think 100% proof. Therefore the normal rum ration would have been
just over 4 units and if the 65 bottles were all issued together it
would have been just over 9 units per person (assuming that whatever it
was 100% proof. )
Probably not enough to get all the crew totally
out of it, but definitely more than enough perhaps to make the log
keepers writing a bit squiffy.
As the Navy used to say "Up Spirits".
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I'm really not at all sure what it says.
However, I don't think
we should assume that the were consumed (by the crew). They may have
been medical stores or for the ship. Also, they may have been
transferred to other containers.
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I'm really not at all sure what it says.
However,
I don't think we should assume that the were consumed (by the crew).
They may have been medical stores or for the ship. Also, they may have
been transferred to other containers.
Me neither.
I
think that non consumption by the crew on the day of arrival is the
conclusion of my calculations, and even before I did them it seemed
unlikely.
Just idle speculation really.
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This one's got me confused; on HMS Hannibal, 14th July 1919, in Port
Said, there are peace celebrations, which is a good thing, but what are
they celebrating?
6.45 Landed party of three companies taking part in peace celebrations.
8.00 Dressed ship
8.45
Landing party returned, breakfast and piped down. Leave to watch
and part of watch till 10.30pm. Peace celebrations on shore.
9.00pm Illuminated ship
11.00pm Switched out illuminating lights
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43718/0025_0.jpg
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This
one's got me confused; on HMS Hannibal, 14th July 1919, in Port Said,
there are peace celebrations, which is a good thing, but what are they
celebrating?
It's Bastille Day.
Perhaps we'd allowed some French ships into our protectorate.
Dunno.
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For the next couple of days there are parties going off to sports on
shore, and the ship is illuminated for half an hour each evening.
I suppose there was a lot of French influence around Egypt - but it
seems odd to describe keeping Bastille Day as 'peace celebrations'
.... I dunno either.
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The celebrations are most likely for the Treaty of Versailles,
signed June 28, 1919, which ended the war between Germany and the Allied
Powers.
The Armistice stopped the fighting but this treaty and the others with the rest of the Central Powers ended the war.
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Thank you Kathy, that makes far more sense; and I suppose it would
have taken a while for the news to have reached Egypt, and for them to
arrange suitable celebrations.
How's your hand doing?
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it is coming along quite nicely, thanks - the pain is just about all
gone - as is the numbness and the "pins and needles" ;D
hopefully, the nerve will completely heal soon :P
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Glad to hear that - hope it's entirely healed soon.
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The
celebrations are most likely for the Treaty of Versailles, signed June
28, 1919, which ended the war between Germany and the Allied Powers.
The Armistice stopped the fighting but this treaty and the others with the rest of the Central Powers ended the war.
Nicely done.
The "Peace" was by no means universal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Revolution_of_1919
"For several weeks until April {1919},
demonstrations and strikes across Egypt by students, elite, civil
servants, merchants, peasants, workers, and religious leaders became
such a daily occurrence that normal life was brought to a halt. This
mass movement was characterised by the participation of both men and
women, and by spanning the religious divide between Muslim and Christian
Egyptians[8] The uprising in the Egyptian countryside was more violent,
involving attacks on British military installations, civilian
facilities and personnel. By July 25, 1919, 800 Egyptians were dead, and
1,600 others were wounded."
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HMS Hood, 4th Sept 1924, leaving Quebec in force 7 : 2015. Blow felt
port side of ship. Caused by heavy sea or submerged wreckage
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Hood, 29th Sept 1924, Back in Plymouth after 'Empire tour' - Paraded
Guard and band for C in C, Plymoth. Mayor of Plymouth embarked for
official welcome to V.A.
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... and a bit of culture for the Hood, 28 November 1924:
'1 Corporal R.M.B. & 3 Musicians joined ship from R.N. School of Music.'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-78915/0111_0.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-78915/0111_0.jpg)
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It was a slightly different world then ... From the log of HMS Hood, 30 March 1925, en route from Gibraltar to Plymouth:
'Passed HMS Repulse flying Standard of H.R.H. Prince of Wales. Fired 21 gun salute. Cheered ship.'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-78915/0173_0.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-78915/0173_0.jpg)
The Prince of Wales at that time was the future King Edward VIII.
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HMS Topaze - Dressed ship overall, in Honour of Holy Carpet expected to arrive.
But they were disappointed, later.... Undressed Ship Holy Carpet not arrived.
Thanks to the search facility, I found the Holy Carpet had been mentioned before and I wasn't guessing too enthusisatically!
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-63324/0019_1.jpg
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It does make you wonder, what kind of jokes were being cracked below
decks - not so much because the carpet is respected, but for its
failure to fly. :)
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Definitely a new one for me: HMS Renown, 16 October 1921:
'8.50 Eclipse of Moon commenced.'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82386/0021_1.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82386/0021_1.jpg)
Followed the next day by:
'12.33 Eclipse of Moon finished.'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82386/0022_0.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82386/0022_0.jpg)
I'm surprised that the events weren't entered in the format:
'8.50 Moon, patt. 1, 1 in No., eclipse, commenced.'
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I'm surprised that the events weren't entered in the format:
'8.50 Moon, patt. 1, 1 in No., eclipse, commenced.'
Yes, but it wasn't lost overboard and they didn't have to explain its loss when asking stores for a replacement.
(http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/10172/cat_on_a_crescent_moon_animal-emoticon-0066.gif)
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Picky, picky, Janet.
:D
However, if it had been lost overboard, the splash would have been quite impressive.
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More than the usual comings and goings on HMS Renown on 26 October 1921:
'HRH the Prince of Wales and Duke of York arrived. The officers were presented to HRH'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82386/0028_1.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82386/0028_1.jpg)
Renown had the future kings Edward VIII and George VI on board at the same time.
And
a small coincidence - I was transcribing HMS Hood's logs a couple of
days ago when she was on passage from Gibraltar to Devonport. She
passes, on opposing course, HMS Repulse (Renown's sister) flying the
standard of the Prince of Wales.
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Picky, picky, Janet.
:D
However, if it had been lost overboard, the splash would have been quite impressive.
;D (both of you!)
Moonrakers - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonrakers
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Cool! I never heard that one. :)
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Perhaps there was an IQ test before being allowed on board the Mayflower. ;D
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That is fascinating, Bunts. My late father was a
Wiltshireman (Swindon, to be precise), where he worked for the GWR in
the 40s. He never told me that he was a Moonraker as well! I
wonder if Ian Fleming was aware of the term when he wrote his book.
:D
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That is fascinating, Bunts. My late father was a Wiltshireman
(Swindon, to be precise), where he worked for the GWR in the 40s.
He never told me that he was a Moonraker as well! I wonder if Ian
Fleming was aware of the term when he wrote his book.
:D
Well, a God's Wonderful Railwayman would be above that sort of thing.
I
should think that everyone of my age and above would know the tale. Did
you ever see the film "Hobson's Choice"? Charles Laughton, Hobson,
emerges from a pub, sees the moon's reflection in a puddle and tries to
step on it. I was about 12 when I saw it and remember thinking of the
Moonrakers.
I hadn't made a connection with the book/film. I suppose
it could have been a satirical (perhaps I mean ironic) reference, but
it's not a bad standalone title.
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HMS Moorhen, 9th May 1921 - Chinese fireman discovered aft taking on
board over 700 lbs of raw opium from a sampan alongside ship. This was
put under sentry's charge.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-80940/007_1.jpg
And the next day - Two firemen (chinese) left ship under Police escort. Police removed opium.
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Life was definitely a bit more relaxed in the RN in the post-WWI
years. HMS Renown made a cruise to India in late 1921, stopping at
Gibraltar, Malta, Port Said, Suez, Aden and Bombay, with the Prince of
Wales (future Edward VIII) on board. The pomp and ceremony was
impressive - although probably a bit tedious for the non-officer
classes. After visiting various ports in the Persian Gulf, Renown
returned to Bombay for Christmas 1921. This was the first time
that I have seen Christmas mentioned in a log (it was given in lieu of
the actual date at the top of the page).
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On Boxing Day, some members of the crew were given a treat that would not have been considered a few years earlier:
'Sight-seeing party of men left ship for Delhi & Agra.'
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This would have been quite a trip in those days, given that Bombay and Delhi are more 1000 km apart.
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Not quite an entry - and probably of no significance whatsoever -
but I'm surprised at the proportion of ships I'm meeting on HMS Torch
which begin with 'S'. So far my list contains 22 names, and 10 of
them begin with 'S', including Spear, Shark, Speedy, Seraph and Sepoy.
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HMS Moorhen, 26th-29th June 1921 - I don't know what's been
happening but they keep passing corpses and also an overturned junk in
the West River, China
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https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-80940/032_0.jpg
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HMS
Moorhen, 26th-29th June 1921 - I don't know what's been happening but
they keep passing corpses and also an overturned junk in the West River,
China
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-80940/031_1.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-80940/032_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-80940/032_1.jpg
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That
sounds pretty grim; have there been any records of typhoons or other
dangerous weather? I'm on Sandpiper, a few months further on in
1921, in the same area, and we've had a number of typhoon warnings
recorded, though nothing seems to have come very close to us.
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HMS
Moorhen, 26th-29th June 1921 - I don't know what's been happening but
they keep passing corpses and also an overturned junk in the West River,
China
That
sounds pretty grim; have there been any records of typhoons or other
dangerous weather? I'm on Sandpiper, a few months further on in
1921, in the same area, and we've had a number of typhoon warnings
recorded, though nothing seems to have come very close to us.
That
could be it. On 16th June when they were in Hong Kong they shifted
berth because of a typhoon warning but then no more mention of it.
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Not
quite an entry - and probably of no significance whatsoever - but I'm
surprised at the proportion of ships I'm meeting on HMS Torch which
begin with 'S'. So far my list contains 22 names, and 10 of them
begin with 'S', including Spear, Shark, Speedy, Seraph and Sepoy.
There
were so many vessels in the destroyer S-Class, some of them like Torch
ended up with T names. And they seem to be deemed perfect for
zipping around the Med after the war. :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S_class_destroyer_(1916)
The S class were a class of 67 destroyers built
from 1917 for the Royal Navy. The design was based on the Admiralty
modified R class and all ships had names beginning with S or T.
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those pages make me go all wobbly in the knees - what a shock it must have been to look out and see the bodies. :o
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Not
quite an entry - and probably of no significance whatsoever - but I'm
surprised at the proportion of ships I'm meeting on HMS Torch which
begin with 'S'. So far my list contains 22 names, and 10 of them
begin with 'S', including Spear, Shark, Speedy, Seraph and Sepoy.
There
were so many vessels in the destroyer S-Class, some of them like Torch
ended up with T names. And they seem to be deemed perfect for
zipping around the Med after the war. :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S_class_destroyer_(1916)
The S class were a class of 67 destroyers built
from 1917 for the Royal Navy. The design was based on the Admiralty
modified R class and all ships had names beginning with S or T.
Ah, that probably accounts for it. And looking at my list, there are 4 beginning with T. Thanks Janet.
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... and even more confusing for the 'M' class. About 114 of
them were built, with names starting with M-P and R-U. Nor did
they all look alike, with either 2, 3 or 4 funnels. Destroyers of
this vintage had incredibly short lives, with the first Ms being
completed in 1915 and sold for scrap only six years later.
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Yes, life in the RN is definitely a bit more relaxed in the 1920s. From the log of HMS Renown, 15 January 1922:
'Picnic party left ship.'
They returned about 6 hours later, no doubt after a game of beach cricket in Bombay.
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A brief rundown of life on the Hollyhock postwar. 1922-23
Everything runs fine less than half a dozen warrents read. Life
quite orderly. Big excitement was delivering a bag of
"confidential books" to Shanghai (I think I'd like to deliver a bag of
confidential books to Shanghai). The crew is largely turned over
in the early fall. In November we find her stuck on a sand bar in
the (I~forget) River below Bejing (Inland from Wei Hai Wei or
thereabouts). After 10 days to two weeks on the sand bar there begins a
steady stream of Lost by accident Scrubbers bursh hand, 1 in no. and
Lost by neglect Brushes bristle hand 1 in no. (sorry for leaving out the
Patt. numbers). And the ship cannot seem to do anything right,
nothing major but you get the feeling you wouldn't want to take the crew
into battle if your life depended on it (never does, does it?).
The ship is always accompanied from this point on and does not seem to
be trusted by the Admiralty to act responsibly on its own. And the
brushes keep disappearing for most of the year, someone getting on
someones nerves I think.
Also a half dozen or more
funerals in with leave for funeral party but no names listed,
occasionally colors at half mast. The ship gets dressed for
occasions of state, Kings birthday, Italian Queens birthday, Emp. of
Japan's birthday and a few others, sightseeing trips, trips to view iron
works. Also, after seeing many people note the lack of mention of
the armistice in 1918 there were two minutes of silence on the eleventh
hour in 1922 and 1923.
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Still on the Renown, in Colombo on 25 March 1922:
'Cautioned Sub Lieut J.W.W. Bisgood for conduct unbecoming, whilst officer of the morning watch.'
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I wonder what the naughty chap did - can't have been too bad to receive only a rap on the knuckles.
Also
on that day, at 0715, they 'Hoisted in motor car' (they also hoisted in
a couple of cars in Karachi a few days previously). I wonder if
they were Tatas for H.R.H.'s use?
;D ???
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From the log of TB 37. She has been on the slip at Kowloon for two days for her half yearly inspection, then:
"Started
to lower boat off slip. Chain parted. Boat hit breakwater and damaged
stern. Boat had to be immediately slipped again as she was making water.
"
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-64876/0019_0.jpg
Ooops!
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From the Renown in Trincomalee, Ceylon, on the Royal Tour of the Prince of Wales, 27 May, 1922:
'H.R.H. went ashore (unofficially).'
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This
particular HRH was a bit of a party animal, and there was no shortage
of pomp and circumstance on the Royal Tour. After several months
of this, could it be that he was getting a bit tired of the ceremony and
AWOLed ashore for a pint or two with the locals? I suspect not.
;D
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On HMS Renown in the central Med, 14 June 1922, on the way home at
the end of the Prince of Wales's little multimonth tour of the far-flung
colonies:
'10.30 Comus hauled out to Port. Hoisted N.U.C. balls.
10.45 Comus in station ahead.'
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The
N.U.C. balls are two black balls hoist to indicate that a vessel is
'Not Under Control', due to eg engine or steering failure. The
problem didn't last long, but probably long enough to cause a few
conniptions.
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HMS Repulse, 27th June 1923 - Submarines popping up all over the place
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82491/0100_0.jpg
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Hawkins 10th September 1923
French, Japanese, Italian & American men of war in harbour
Found the town of Yokohama completely destroyed by earthquake and fire
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HMS Repulse, 27th June 1923 - Submarines popping up all over the place
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82491/0100_0.jpg
Like goldfish when you sprinkle daphnia on the water.
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HMS Veronica 14th July 10:30 p.m. Sub Lieut Ferguson slipped over gangway and died by drowning
15 th July
02:00 a.m. Carried out Diving operations with shore divers to recover body
05:00 p.m. Funeral of Late Sub Lieut Ferguson R.N. Buried at Port Darwin Cememtry with full Naval Honours
RIP Alexander Burns Ferguson, age 19
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Hawkins 23rd September 1923 Yokohama
Landed 100 men to attend Memorial Service to those killed in the earthquake
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It seems relevant to copy these posts in this topic.
I
was curious and looked up why. That was a devastating earthquake
in the port the week before! They must have been coming to give
relief supplies, as well as honoring their own dead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1923_Great_Kant%C5%8D_earthquake
The
Great Kantō earthquake struck the Kantō plain on the Japanese main
island of Honshū at 11:58:44 am JST (2:58:44 UTC) on Saturday, September
1, 1923. Varied accounts hold that the duration of the earthquake was
between 4 and 10 minutes.[2] This is the deadliest earthquake in
Japanese history, and at the time was the most powerful earthquake ever
recorded in the region. The 2011 Tōhoku earthquake later surpassed that
record.
...
Casualty estimates range from about 142,800 deaths,
including approximately 40,000 who went missing and were presumed dead.
The damage from this natural disaster was the greatest sustained by
Prewar Japan. In 1960, the government of Japan declared September 1, the
anniversary of the quake, as an annual "Disaster Prevention Day."
Some photos of the aftermath of the quake here,
http://www.japan-guide.com/a/earthquake2/
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Many thanks Janet, I do get confused about the best thread for some subjects :-\
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You were not at all confused - the quoted discussion was reporting
deaths, extremely relevant. It's just, this fits several topics
and I wanted to share the research here without having to do a lot of
re-typing. ;D
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HMS Veronica, Sydney, 26th August 1920, after being in dry dock :-
1. Complete set of 1/4 ton Blocks stolen from engine room whilst in
dockyard hands
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HMS Veronica 7th Dec 1920, Apia -
Chinese Consul received aboard. Fired salute of 7 guns in honour of Chinese Consul
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HMS Veronica, Apia (Samoa) 7th Dec 1920 - more excitement :
Ships company invited to a Whist Drive given by Over Seas Club
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HMS Veronica, 25th Dec 1920, Penrhyn Island :
Concert given by ships company
This is the first ship I've recorded that mentions anything special for Christmas
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I'm intregued by this entry, on Veronica, 26th December 1920 :
Court of Inquiry held for accident of Soda water machine
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I wish these guys were more complete in those sorts of entries, or
that we access to say, the Captain's Logs that might contain more
detail. There is a story there!
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Torch has recently had a complete change of crew (theirs went off to
Diligence, but the log didn't say where the new crew came from).
However I suspect the new logkeeper may be a novice at the role, as
there's some distinctly odd weather being recorded. For example
this morning the wind direction was recorded as 'o' throughout.
I am
of course repeating the mantra 'transcribe as written' and resisting the
temptation to improve on his handiwork, but I wish Austen G Lilley,
who's still in charge and signing the log pages, would check them a bit
more thoroughly and have a word with him!
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-87830/009_1.jpg
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I wondered whether something had broken, but there are occasional worthwhile entries.
Perhaps there's not a lot of wind about; "Dog days" time in Malta, perhaps: too sultry to bother writing "Calm".
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Torch
has recently had a complete change of crew (theirs went off to
Diligence, but the log didn't say where the new crew came from).
However I suspect the new logkeeper may be a novice at the role, as
there's some distinctly odd weather being recorded. For example
this morning the wind direction was recorded as 'o' throughout.
I am
of course repeating the mantra 'transcribe as written' and resisting the
temptation to improve on his handiwork, but I wish Austen G Lilley,
who's still in charge and signing the log pages, would check them a bit
more thoroughly and have a word with him!
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-87830/009_1.jpg
I wonder if he is using 0 to indicate Calm since the force is 0. <- I see Bunts beat me to it!
But, I wonder what the heck the dash for EbyS ;)
At least it is readable.
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I'm intregued by this entry, on Veronica, 26th December 1920 :
Court of Inquiry held for accident of Soda water machine
The
log keepers never witness these courts - and the court records are
sealed for 99 years, not just 49 years like our logs. We won't be
able to look up the fuss over the soda machine until 2020. :(
By
the way, if you put jpeg links in your posts, everyone can read the page
- it's fun for stuff like this, and it helps when handwriting is
baffling. :)
See: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1073.0
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Torch
has recently had a complete change of crew (theirs went off to
Diligence, but the log didn't say where the new crew came from).
However I suspect the new logkeeper may be a novice at the role, as
there's some distinctly odd weather being recorded. For example
this morning the wind direction was recorded as 'o' throughout.
I am
of course repeating the mantra 'transcribe as written' and resisting the
temptation to improve on his handiwork, but I wish Austen G Lilley,
who's still in charge and signing the log pages, would check them a bit
more thoroughly and have a word with him!
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-87830/009_1.jpg
I wonder if he is using 0 to indicate Calm since the force is 0. <- I see Bunts beat me to it!
But, I wonder what the heck the dash for EbyS ;)
At least it is readable.
It's
possible - I'll leave it to the scientists to decide how they want to
interpret it! The dash with EbyS makes me think that he just
hasn't quite got the hang of it (though at least he now knows how to
spell 'by' - he began by writing it as 'bye' which had me coming up with
some interesting wind directions - EbyES anyone?)
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I'm intregued by this entry, on Veronica, 26th December 1920 :
Court of Inquiry held for accident of Soda water machine
The
log keepers never witness these courts - and the court records are
sealed for 99 years, not just 49 years like our logs. We won't be
able to look up the fuss over the soda machine until 2020. :(
Ah-ha.
Soda water, pressurised CO2. I bet something went BANG.
and
drawing some threads together, haven't we had (unspecified) "cylinders returned"? we've certainly had:
HMS Repulse - At 0830. Does it really say 'Gas party landed' and if so ???
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82491/0073_0.jpg
2 + 2 = 4 or 5
Man ... like, what a gas! ;D
Flanders & Swan (http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=b4dId4oNUxg&vq=medium)
Mason Williams (http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=HhMuCiAe6vA&vq=medium)
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It all makes sense now ;D
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Its a gas, gas, gas...
;D
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TB 35 : Capt & Nav of Vulcan came on board to exercise submarine.
'Here Fido, fetch!'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-64780/0004_1.jpg
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Here is the entry with the Soda machine enquiry:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-89883/0150_0.jpg
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HMS Moorhen, 11th November 1921 - Weighed & proc down river to Kep Siang Is to cruise scene of Piracy of "King Shan"
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Another confused log keeper; HMS Veronica, it's 18th February 1921
and they're Auckland. I suspect they may have been there for some
time (I've done a several month time slip) because the logkeeper has
written '18th Auckland 1921'.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-89883/0176_0.jpg
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Marazion landed a Funeral party of 10 rifles...
Of course, there are no details regarding the Funeral ::)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-80476/0005_1.jpg
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TB35 is active in experimental warfare.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-64781/0017_1.jpg
I'm not sure what happened with the explosive sweeps, these terse log entries can be really frustrating.
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Well, they knew how to enjoy themselves in Apia, Samoa. From the log of HMS Veronica, 3rd June 1921:
Apia Town Band arrived on board to play the 'Colours'.
8.0 Fired one gun salute. Dress ship overall King George V Birthday.
12.0 Fired Royal Salute 21 guns. King George's birthday. Apia Town Band played the 'Colours'
1.0 Landed Liberty Men and Cricket Party
5.39 Undressed ship.
And
the night before the officers had held a dance onboard. A one gun
salute sounds hardly worth the effort - was it for the Band?
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-89884/0051_0.jpg
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Well, they knew how to enjoy themselves in Apia, Samoa. From the log of HMS Veronica, 3rd June 1921:
Apia Town Band arrived on board to play the 'Colours'.
8.0 Fired one gun salute. Dress ship overall King George V Birthday.
12.0 Fired Royal Salute 21 guns. King George's birthday. Apia Town Band played the 'Colours'
1.0 Landed Liberty Men and Cricket Party
5.39 Undressed ship.
And
the night before the officers had held a dance onboard. A one gun
salute sounds hardly worth the effort - was it for the Band?
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-89884/0051_0.jpg
"Don't shoot the pianist ..."
Maybe "salute" was not the proper term ...
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That's interesting, Bunts - but they've never done it (or at least
recorded it, which may be different) before or since. Perhaps it
was a kind of 'let the party begin' signal .... ;D
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HMS Orbita - 28 June 1918 - Valparaiso
Captain relieved
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-53520/016_0.jpg
Is
that relieved of command? Because of our accidental ramming and sinking
of the Dorisbrook? Or am I reading too much into this? I've missed a
lot of days, but there is no mention of someone else taking command here
and a quick check earlier doesn't show anything.
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HMS Orbita - 28 June 1918 - Valparaiso
Captain relieved
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-53520/016_0.jpg
Is
that relieved of command? Because of our accidental ramming and sinking
of the Dorisbrook? Or am I reading too much into this? I've missed a
lot of days, but there is no mention of someone else taking command here
and a quick check earlier doesn't show anything.
Four
months seems a long time for replacing in disgrace, especially in
wartime. Could be just a regular rotation, or illness, or retirement.
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There are, of course, other meanings of 'relieved'. It could
be that he was personally relieved that he had not been keel-hauled
because of the demise of the Dorisbrook. Alternatively, he might
just have been attending to the call of nature and the officer of the
watch decided that this was a noteworthy event.
:-[
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In the space of 12 hours on the Renown on 4 July 1923, the air pressure has gone 30.19 - 31.05 - 32.07 - 30.27
The obvious alternatives are: 1) sloppy watch keeping; or 2) a barometer with a short-lived conniption.
If the readings were correct, then the winds would have been rather stronger than the Force 1 recorded!
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On the 19th July 1923, the current chapter for Renown comes to an
end when she is given over to dockyard control. Our rather sloppy
log keeper kept his record to the end with his final entry reading:
'(Renown) payed oof into dockyard control.'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82387/0116_1.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82387/0116_1.jpg)
;D
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There
are, of course, other meanings of 'relieved'. It could be that he
was personally relieved that he had not been keel-hauled because of the
demise of the Dorisbrook. Alternatively, he might just have been
attending to the call of nature and the officer of the watch decided
that this was a noteworthy event.
:-[
Oh, honestly. :o
Some people strive to raise the tone of postings in the Forum, and then there comes along the likes of you ... and me. ;D
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Marazion's log, 21 December, year not shown: https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-80477/0013_1.jpg
2.0 Sailed S.S. Belleraphon. Cheered ship.
Wonder what was the cause for the "cheer[ing]"?
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Marazion's log, 21 December, year not shown: https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-80477/0013_1.jpg
2.0 Sailed S.S. Belleraphon. Cheered ship.
Wonder what was the cause for the "cheer[ing]"?
http://www.mranil.com/2010/09/man-and-cheer-ship.html
"Manning
and Cheering ship as a collective mark of respect in honour of a person
or of another ship is a very old custom. In the days of sail the yards
and shrouds were manned as well as the decks, but now a days only decks
are manned. Some example of occasions on which this mark of honour is
paid are: visit of Sovereign to the Fleet, the entry into port of ships
which have shared a victory, the final departure of a ship from a
foreign station on her way home to pay-off."
Photo of more
impressive cheering:
(http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=cheer+ship&hl=en&sa=G&biw=1024&bih=653&gbv=2&tbm=isch&tbnid=eZp0Sh0qBqoXUM:&imgrefurl=http://www.tosd.demon.co.uk/history.htm&docid=fgqnxf3aDPkp7M&imgurl=http://www.tosd.demon.co.uk/Cheer.jpg&w=296&h=219&ei=ujFpT43WEKTC0QXr7cWYCQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=129&vpy=313&dur=3699&hovh=175&hovw=236&tx=124&ty=140&sig=117296057137712105120&page=1&tbnh=143&tbnw=193&start=0&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:0)
"There was also a 8,932-ton merchant ship called Bellerophon
BELLEROPHON
(Official No.120915) built and completed in 1906 as yard No.227 by
Workman, Clark & Co., Ltd., Belfast for Ocean Steam Ship Co., Ltd.
(A. Holt & Co.), Liverpool. Twin screw cargo ship with a speed of
14-knots
Broken up at Barrow 1948 by T. W. Ward, Ltd., arr. 18.4.48"
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=106146
She
must have made herself popular to receive such an honour for a merchant
ship; perhaps having brought some long awaited supplies ???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Bellerophon_(1786)
" (Bellerophon) was "the greatest hero and slayer of monsters, alongside of Cadmus and Perseus," (Please note, Keith ;) ) and the rider of Pegasus, the original wonder-horse.
A proud name in the Royal Navy, having fought at Trafalgar and relishing the nickname of "Billy Ruffian":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Bellerophon_(1786)
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HMS Torch, Constantinople, 28th October 1921:
Italian Battleship fired salute 12 guns and broke Greek ensign.
I don't know what the Greeks had done to annoy them .... ???
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It could be short hand for 'Broke out' i.e. unfurled. An ensign was
normally parcelled up before being run up a flag pole and secured with a
sort of slip hitch. A firm tweak on the halliard and out flew the
flag. I know because we learned to do it in the Guides and it was
done every morning in camp and woe betide the leader of the colour
party if the flag did not unfurl or was tied on upside down!
Could the ship have had a Greek flag for such a saluting eventuality?
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I suspect that's the case because on the next day they're at it again:
Italian cruiser fired salute 13 guns for Italian Admiral. French cruiser fired 13 guns and broke Italian ensign.
They must all have had a whole collection of ensigns; I suppose it was one way of passing the time!
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-87830/032_0.jpg
I'm glad your Guide's experience has turned out to be useful! :D
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These Italians have ammunition to burn! It's now the 4th
November, and there have been another 4 Italian salutes. Today's
was:
Italian cruiser fired 21 guns at intervals of 4 mins. And
then there's 'Half Mast colours 0945. Rehoisted colours 1115.'
Does anyone know what this might have been about?
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These
Italians have ammunition to burn! It's now the 4th November, and
there have been another 4 Italian salutes. Today's was:
Italian
cruiser fired 21 guns at intervals of 4 mins. And then there's
'Half Mast colours 0945. Rehoisted colours 1115.'
Does anyone know what this might have been about?
Sounds, to me, like a highflyer's funeral.
ps What year?
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1921
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1921
From
http://www.historyorb.com/events/date/1921/november
"Historical Events for November 1921
4th - The Sturmabteilung or SA is formally formed by Adolf Hitler
4th - Japanese Prime Minister Hara Takashi is assassinated in Tokyo."
Take your pick ...
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The Japanese Prime Minister sounds more likely - but would the news
have reached them that fast? And why the Italians? There
don't seem to be any Japanese ships around, whereas in other parts of
the world I have met them.
And to forestall the next question - we're in Constantinople.
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We may have had this recorded from the other side, as it were - but
I've enjoyed finding it. Marazion, Hong Kong, 6th April 1922.
6.0 Hands fall in - rig dressing lines.
6.30 Dress ship
9.20 Arrived HMS Renown with HRH the Prince of Wales onboard. Clear lower deck. Man and cheer ship.
9.45 Carry on smoking
11.0 Clear lower deck - man ship.
6.40 Clear lower deck - undress ship
12.0 Switched off illuminating circuit.
I love 'carry on smoking' - how time have changed!
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-80479/0006_0.jpg
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HMS Orbita - 2 Oct 1918 - NW of Ireland
We are part of a Convoy going back to the UK from the Americas, and we met a destroyer escort this morning.
10.32pm - S/S Arca. cargo Benzine burst into flames + blew up Lat 55 26N Long 9 22W
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-53524/003_0.jpg
http://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?124609
http://www.naval-history.net/WW1LossesBrMS1918.htm
Both say she was torpedoed by a German sub, but the log makes no mention of torpedoes or subs :-\
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HMS Marazion, 11th July 1922:
Instructional swimming party landed for practice.
Why would you need to land in order to practice swimming?
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-80480/0024_0.jpg
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Laburnum
Hands carry out swimming tasks in dock
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-79575/0062_1.jpg
Hands mustered for payment of Final distribution of Kings Money
1 Stoker placed under sentry's charge.
Stoker released and placed in open arrest
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-79575/0063_0.jpg
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From the log of HMS Tamar, 28 June 1915, at Hong Kong:
'3.45 [pm] Hoisted Red Typhoon Signal Direction SE'
'9.15 [pm] Hoisted Black Typhoon signal'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-62277/0157_0.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-62277/0157_0.jpg)
Weather at the time is calm to light easterly winds.
(Typhoon signal was hauled down the next day.)
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From the log of HMS Tamar, 28 June 1915, at Hong Kong:
'3.45 [pm] Hoisted Red Typhoon Signal Direction SE'
'9.15 [pm] Hoisted Black Typhoon signal'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-62277/0157_0.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-62277/0157_0.jpg)
Weather at the time is calm to light easterly winds.
(Typhoon signal was hauled down the next day.)
Better to be a disappointed pessimist than a disappointed optimist.
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HMS Tamar, Base Ship, Hong Kong - November, 2nd, 1916:
9.25 SS Polaven on Fire in Whampao Dk Yard Fire party sent and 2 Fire Engines.
11.15 Fire party returned.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-62278/0103_0.jpg
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HMS Wisteria, 29th jan 1921 - Helm jammed
30th Jan 1921 8.50 Helm jammed
10:45 Helm jammed
11:20 Connected up hand stearing gear
8.50 Connected up steam steering
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HMS Wisteria is starting to sound like a fashion show - we've
already had Dress of Day No 6 and white hats, today, 8th feb 1921
Trinidad we have:
Rig of day Tropical Rig. Duty boats crews No 6s reg jumpers
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-93259/0024_0.jpg
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HMS Caradoc - Dec 1918. Supporting Estonian War of Independence
14th - Bombarding coast in Narva Bay
15th - Discharged 4 depth charges to Estonian Government
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37033/010_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37033/010_1.jpg
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HMS Caradoc - 27th Dec 1918, taking ship as prize
28th Dec - Bolshevick prisoners of war and refugees
29th Dec - more refugees and prisoners
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37033/016_1.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37033/017_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37033/017_1.jpg
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HMS Wisteria: August 24th, 1921
'More care is required in writing up the deck log and great accuracy is necessary. J P Champion'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-93262/0031_1.jpg
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Star, and planet, gazing on Cardiff...
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37054/015_1.jpg
6.07 Observed position by 3 stars.
12.15 Observed position by Sun
6.0 Observed position by Jupitor
11.30 Dev: by Sirrus
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HMS Wisteria: August 24th, 1921
'More care is required in writing up the deck log and great accuracy is necessary. J P Champion'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-93262/0031_1.jpg
Why couldn't every ship have a J P Champion? ???
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Hallelujah Sister ;D
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HMS Cardiff, 15th April 1918, somewhere in the North Sea (not far from Norway, from an entry later in the day)
Courses
as req'd for supporting and remaining destroyers while latter examined
& sunk 9 enemy fishing craft. In sight of land suitable for
fixing position.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37056/010_1.jpg
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HMS Cardiff, 15th April 1918, somewhere in the North Sea (not far from Norway, from an entry later in the day)
Courses
as req'd for supporting and remaining destroyers while latter examined
& sunk 9 enemy fishing craft. In sight of land suitable for
fixing position.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37056/010_1.jpg
Sterling work on deciphering the trickier words, then you missed out the easiest one:
"Courses as req'd for supporting and remaining near destroyers" ;)
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Thank you Bunts! Ever eagle eyed .... Cardiff is so
spidery that I'm always quite pleased when I manage to decipher anything
much (though as with them all, practice does help)
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HMS Mantua, 12 June 1918
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-48307/0009_0.jpg
2.30pm - Fireman broke out of ship but stopped by sentry who slightly wounded him by gun-fire
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:o :o :o
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HMS Cardiff, 25th July 1918:
Boxing Collier secured alongside. Hands employed rigging seating accommodation.
Held Squadron Boxing Meeting.
(the next entry is Read Warrant No 84 - I hope it doesn't mean someone got carried away with the boxing ....) :o
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37059/ADM53-37059-0015_1.jpg
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HMS Glory is patrolling off the northeast US (got to keep an eye on
those pesky ex-colonials!) when she intercepts and boards the Spanish SS
Monsterrat. An armed guard is placed aboard the Monsterrat.
The log then notes (7 September 1914):
'SS Monsterrat detained on account of having a number of German Reservists onboard.'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43011/0082_1.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43011/0082_1.jpg)
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HMS Wistaria, May 17th, 1922
This is not actually a log
entry, but something hiding a log entry: I guess J P Champion thought
that was the best place to stamp :)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-93267/0011_1.jpg
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HMS Wistaria, May 17th, 1922
This
is not actually a log entry, but something hiding a log entry: I guess J
P Champion thought that was the best place to stamp :)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-93267/0011_1.jpg
All that empty space and he had to stamp over the weather :(
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HMS Cardiff, 4th November 1918, at Rosyth:
Prince Yorihito (Japanese) passed through fleet in 'Oak'.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37063/ADM53-37063-0005_0.jpg
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HMS Wistaria, May 17th, 1922
This
is not actually a log entry, but something hiding a log entry: I guess J
P Champion thought that was the best place to stamp :)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-93267/0011_1.jpg
All that empty space and he had to stamp over the weather :(
Wasn't he the one complaining earlier about poorly kept logs?
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Cardiff's interesting life continues: It's 5th December, and
we're somewhere off Latvia. At midnight they record -
Cassandra
struck mine. Concussion felt on board Cardiff. Destroyers
remaining round & switching on searchlights as necessary.
According
to Wikipedia most of the crew were rescued, though 10 died.
Sobering to remember that the dangers continued although the war had
ended.
And then later in the day:
9.15/10.30 Magnetic compass apparently affected by abnormal variation mentioned in Baltic Pilot Part III.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37064/C1-ADM53-37064-0005_1.jpg
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HMS Cardiff, 13th December 1918:
Stopped in position 2'7 29o
from Asseren to examine coast. 11.25 Opened fire on supposed
positions of Bolschevik. Destroyers & Caradoc spread along
shore firing on railway. 12.08 Shifted position 3' to Eastward to
shell bridge on east of Bolschevik positions 4' 45o from Asseren.
12.50 Ceased fire, proceeded.
They're off Estonia and seem to be
supporting the provisional government there. I need to read up on
this period of history!
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37064/C1-ADM53-37064-0010_0.jpg
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Quite the distinguished visitor! (Please see the noon entry)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-88506/0030_1.jpg
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I do like his collection of letters
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I expect you're aware that KCMG is generally reckoned to translate as 'Kindly Call Me God' ... ;D
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;D
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;D ;D
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Great ;D ;D
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HMS Centaur 26th Feb 1918 - Inspection by the King at Harwich and cheering!
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37427/0017_0.jpg
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On HMS Glory in Halifax, 16 December 1914:
'8 Find Court Martial gun.'
'9.30 Court Martial assembled on board HM Armed Merchant Cruiser Caronia.'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43011/0131_1.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43011/0131_1.jpg)
While
I suspect that the 'Court Martial gun' was ceremonial, the timing of
the entry does give the impression that it was going to be needed for
more pragmatic purposes (guilty until proven innocent?).
;D
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On HMS Glory in Halifax, 16 December 1914:
'8 Find Court Martial gun.'
'9.30 Court Martial assembled on board HM Armed Merchant Cruiser Caronia.'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43011/0131_1.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43011/0131_1.jpg)
While
I suspect that the 'Court Martial gun' was ceremonial, the timing of
the entry does give the impression that it was going to be needed for
more pragmatic purposes (guilty until proven innocent?).
;D
I
believe it's "Fired" not "Find", however your observation on legal
nicety (rather than an indication of prejudice) is well founded:
http://www.hmsrichmond.org/dict_g.htm
"COURT-MARTIAL GUN
The
Court-Martial gun (known unofficially as the "Rogue's Salute" or a
"One-gun salute") is the signal gun fired at "Colours" on the morning of
the day on which a naval court-martial has been ordered to assemble. A
Union flag is flown from the peak halliards (at the yard arm in a
single-masted ship) while
the Court is sitting."
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I believe that you are right, Bunts. Silly me - I'd better go
and fix it ... or risk Court Martial proceedings instigated by Janet.
:-[
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I
believe that you are right, Bunts. Silly me - I'd better go and
fix it ... or risk Court Martial proceedings instigated by Janet.
:-[
BOOM! ;)
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I never arrest anyone for mispelling century-old handwriting. :)
And signal cannons usually get loaded with blanks, and are quite tiny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=ml5zccNdFCE
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That is a nice little cannon. I suspect that the ones in our period were a little more substantial.
I
seem to remember something about the 3 pder Hotchkiss, firing blanks,
being the standard saluting gun in our period. Certainly they had them
on many ships from gunboats to battle cruisers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QF_3_pounder_Hotchkiss
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My reaction to that is a landlubbers - the 47mm gun would use a
whole lot more powder in its blanks than the 10-gage gun, which make
quite sufficient noise and smoke to get anyone's attention on a
ship. Something bigger would be worth the money if you wanted to
be heard over that large a harbor.
But I don't know.
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On 13 November 1918 at 2.30am the Mantua received orders to proceed
immediately to Gibraltar - the logs do not mention what we did with our
convoy that we had been escorting to Sierra Leone. I suppose we
may have taken them with us to Gibraltar, or we may have just waved them
goodbye and told them to get on with it, after all the war was over
now.
After arriving at Gibraltar and offloading the various
people and confidential mails which we had been going to take to Dakar,
the logs contain the entry on 16 November: "Hands take in tables and
stools for "Brittania" ratings going home on passage."
All
becomes clear on 17 November, with the entry at 10.00am "Embarked
survivors of HMS Brittania" and later "Total passengers 48 officers and
703 ratings for Devonport". They received an official visit from
the Governor-General and the Admiral before we sailed for home later in
the day.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-48312/0011_1.jpg
The
Britannia was the last Royal Navy vessel to be sunk in World War I,
having been torpedoed off Cape Trafalgar on 9 November by UB50.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Britannia_(1904) for more details.
It couldn't have been a very comfortable journey for the survivors but I'm sure they were just glad to get back home.
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HMS Ceres 15th June 1919 in the Med S of Greece
Sighted 4 Handley Page aeroplanes steering to SE
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0092_1.jpg
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HMS Wisteria, 28th January 1922:
2.30 am Called away life
boats crew and D.S.B. to assist Onyx ashore on Stag Rocks.
Switched on searchlight. Six hands detailed as crew for Creole if
required.
7.0 Onyx floated off reef. 7.25 D.S.B. & whaler returned.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-93265/0017_0.jpg
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HMS Ceres 14th August 1919 - Commissioner for Armenia visited ship and was saluted with 17 guns on leaving
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0124_1.jpg
And the next day they had a visit from the Persian Consul and Vice Consul - they didn't merit a salute though
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0125_0.jpg
And
2 days later - His Majesty the Shah of Persia & suite arrived on
board for passage - perhaps the Consul was checking if the accomodation
was good enough :)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0126_0.jpg
And a salute for the Shah the next day as they weighed & proceeded
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0126_1.jpg
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HMS Ceres 8th Sept 1919
I've not come across this before - 'Paid War Gratuity to ships company'. Some sort of bonus?
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0139_0.jpg
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HMS Ceres 8th Sept 1919
I've not come across this before - 'Paid War Gratuity to ships company'. Some sort of bonus?
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0139_0.jpg
It seems to have been a payment to "non-regular" service personnel who were in "for the duration" of the conflict:
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GREATWAR/2000-06/0961106780
and not an insubstantial sum:
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=63351&st=0&p=554965&#entry554965
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HMS Ceres 8th Sept 1919
I've not come across this before - 'Paid War Gratuity to ships company'. Some sort of bonus?
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0139_0.jpg
It seems to have been a payment to "non-regular" service personnel who were in "for the duration" of the conflict:
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GREATWAR/2000-06/0961106780
and not an insubstantial sum:
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=63351&st=0&p=554965&#entry554965
Thanks, Bunts. No sign yet of anyone returning (or not!) from liberty having blown it all :D
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HMS Ceres 12th Sept 1919 Fiume (Rijeka, Croatia)
7pm - Large crowds demonstrating off Italian ships
9pm - Lewis guns & searchlights crews closed up
10.15pm - Observed explosion, apparantly due to a bomb off port bow
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0141_0.jpg
It carried on the next night as well - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0141_1.jpg
From
the wiki entry for Rijeka - On 10 September 1919, the Treaty of
Saint-Germain was signed declaring the Austro-Hungarian monarchy
dissolved. Negotiations over the future of the city were interrupted two
days later when a force of Italian nationalist irregulars led by the
poet Gabriele d'Annunzio seized control of the city by force; d'Annunzio
eventually established a state, the Italian Regency of Carnaro.
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I suspect that what was recorded in Cardiff's log in July 1919 in Fiume was all part of this same unrest:
2nd July 10pm Landed Marine Patrol on account of riots on shore.
6th July 10pm Rioting in town, & considerable amount of rifle firing.
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I suspect that what was recorded in Cardiff's log in July 1919 in Fiume was all part of this same unrest:
2nd July 10pm Landed Marine Patrol on account of riots on shore.
6th July 10pm Rioting in town, & considerable amount of rifle firing.
Ceres log for 14th Sept says 'Cardiff sailed' - was she also in Fiume on 12th Sept?
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Yes we were - here's the page. We found you there!
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37065/0145_1.jpg
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I love the way Cardiff's log keeper lists the ships in harbour (and
it confirmed a couple of my guesses of ship's names Ceres had met), but
were they asleep when the bomb went off? ;D
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What bomb? I guess they must have been - do tell me about
it. They seem to have recorded everything they did notice
.... Yes, the ship lists are really useful, especially as they're
typed. I was a bit surprised to find myself back in the Adriatic
on Ceres, as the info said it was in the Baltic - but then so did
Cardiff, which spent all of 2 months out of 2 year's worth of logs
actually there!
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This is from my other ship - HMS Wistaria. On 8th May 1922 they recorded:
6 tons of rain water caught for drinking purposes.
This
sounds like an awful lot of water - I don't know whether they mean they
caught all of that on one day. Only one weather record showed any
rain ....
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-93267/0007_0.jpg
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What
bomb? I guess they must have been - do tell me about it.
They seem to have recorded everything they did notice .... Yes,
the ship lists are really useful, especially as they're typed. I
was a bit surprised to find myself back in the Adriatic on Ceres, as the
info said it was in the Baltic - but then so did Cardiff, which spent
all of 2 months out of 2 year's worth of logs actually there!
At 10:15 - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0141_0.jpg
They also had Lewis Guns & searchlights crews closed up - perhaps Cardiff got the night off as she'd just arrived ;D
Ceres
also spent only 2 months in the Baltic out of 2 years (almost 2 years -
still transcribing). I wonder where they get the info from? It's not
been entirely accurate on other ships as well.
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What
bomb? I guess they must have been - do tell me about it.
They seem to have recorded everything they did notice .... Yes,
the ship lists are really useful, especially as they're typed. I
was a bit surprised to find myself back in the Adriatic on Ceres, as the
info said it was in the Baltic - but then so did Cardiff, which spent
all of 2 months out of 2 year's worth of logs actually there!
At 10:15 - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0141_0.jpg
They also had Lewis Guns & searchlights crews closed up - perhaps Cardiff got the night off as she'd just arrived ;D
Ceres
also spent only 2 months in the Baltic out of 2 years (almost 2 years -
still transcribing). I wonder where they get the info from? It's not
been entirely accurate on other ships as well.
Oh,
that's exciting! I suppose if it wasn't all that close to Cardiff
they may not have thought they needed to record it? It doesn't
look as though anyone actually did anything about it.
On
the logs - I wonder whether someone just looks at a few random pages
and assumes that the ship stayed there for ages? On Cardiff they
were in the Baltic in December 1918 and January 1919, so if someone
looked around the middle of the logs that's what they would have
found. I suppose it keeps us on our toes and stops us thinking we
know what's going on - probably rather like the original crews!
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HMS Tamar, Base Ship, October 21st, 1918 - Hong Kong:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-62279/0107_1.jpg
'I
have had occasion to reprimand Lieut W A Attwell RNR for acting in a
manner unfitting that of an officer, whilst employed in the Examination
Service, in that he assaulted Sergeant B W Frost, Hong Kong Cadet Corps,
on 16th October 1918 both being in uniform at the time.'
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That sounds a bit like my old school, where anything wrong you might
do was definitely made worse by having done it in school uniform!
;D
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That
sounds a bit like my old school, where anything wrong you might do was
definitely made worse by having done it in school uniform!
;D
Reminds
me of the inflatable boy, attending an inflatable school. He was very
careless with a pair of compasses and was reprimanded by his inflatable
teacher: "You've let yourself down. You've let me down. You've let the
whole school down."
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(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_6714.gif) (http://www.desismileys.com/)
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I was going to insert the applauding emoticon here, but couldn't work out how to do it - so please use your imagination ....
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(http://climateprediction.net/board/images/smilies/eusa_clap.gif)
Quote this to see the code ;)
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You have to bookmark the url for just the emoticon online, and then use the image-insert icon to embed it.
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk308/leesnoopyt/Snoopy%20Pix/bravo.gif
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk308/leesnoopyt/Snoopy%20Pix/bravo.gif)
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I recently joined HMS Mutine (Bermuda). There they have
'dockyard artificers making good defects' just about every day. :o
:D
An interesting turn of phrase...
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I
recently joined HMS Mutine (Bermuda). There they have 'dockyard
artificers making good defects' just about every day. :o :D
An interesting turn of phrase...
Oh, yes. Hadn't thought of it in that way.
You have provided the remedy though - turn the phrase! ;)
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HMS Ceres 26th Nov 1919 - Lots of saluting going on partly due to
the presence of Viscount Allenby High Commisioner for Egypt
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Allenby,_1st_Viscount_Allenby)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0180_1.jpg
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The log keeper on HMS Mutine was obviously fed up with VIPs sporting a long array of letters after the rank and name.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-81164/0096_1.jpg
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:D :D
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https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-81166/0009_0.jpg
Nor was he very impressed with the menu....
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:o ::) ;D
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HMS Ceres's ship's company was reviewed and that night the ship was illuminated.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0111_1.jpg
I wondered why that was. After a little research I found out that on that day (19th July 1919 the Cenotaph was unveiled in London and that this day was marked as Peace Day.
http://www.aftermathww1.com/peaceday.asp
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HMS Fox, 30 May 1919, Dozen cases of wines put on board HMS Borodina
- looks like someones planning a party
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1916 HMS Intrepid
Three torpedoes miss the target.
The ship is a normal minelayer.
The maximum speed of 15 knots. Really lucky.
Unfortunately, different Light River ShipShip was sunk
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44868/ADM%2053-44868-008_0.jpg
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HMS Fox 2nd Sept 1919 Archangel Russia
Lieutenant A R Sanders R N
of Morris Dancer cautioned for not complying with the orders of the
S.K.B.R to go to the assistance of "M24" on 28th August
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HMS Glory spends extended periods at Suvla Bay (near Gallipoli) with
short returns to Mudros for coaling. She regularly comes under shelling
at Suvla. On 27 November 1915, the shelling got a bit too close
for comfort:
'Enemy's shots dropping close to ship. "Xtend" Replied with 'A' Group 6". Fore derrick topping lift carried away by shellfire.'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43020/0014_1.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43020/0014_1.jpg)
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Riveting in a sobering way - HMS Hilary, had a terrible time over
the end of December 1914, beginning of January 1915. On 31st
December they took a Norwegian barque Maryetta in tow - it had become
dismasted. They'd found it the previous day and stayed with it until
daylight. The tow continued until late on January 1st when at
11.50pm they recorded:
Barque sent up rocket, stopped & communicated with morse lamp, he reported, sprung a leak and sinking.
Then early in the morning of 2nd January comes this:
0.15
Signalled from barque that they were going to abandon ship. 12.30
slipped towing hawser & manoeuvred vessel to get to windward of
barque. 12.40 boat & crew left the ship. 1.0 boat
capsized, engines as required to pick up crew. 1.15 Barque sank in
Lat 59 32 N long 2 6 W 1.20 Lowered port sea boat & picked up
six men, among the lost were Sub Lieut O E Miles RNR and signalman
Frank Scott ON, DJ, 5747 2 hoisted sea boat & proceeded SSE 10
knots.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44317/ADM%2053-44317-020_1.jpg
I'll post the deaths in the lost at sea thread - the location may be an addition to the records.
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HMS Iphigenia, 29th october 1915, Weather too rough for communication with other ships in Company
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HMS Ipigenia, 25th November 1915, somewhere around Mermansk
Hands employed scraping + chopping thick ice off upper deck, then hosing down
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HMS Grafton, 4th June 1914:
Diving Party employed on Royal Yacht.
This might account for several records of dressing the ship and firing royal salutes in the last few days ...
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43384/ADM%2053-43384-039_0.jpg
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HMS Ipigenia, 25th November 1915, somewhere around Mermansk
Hands employed scraping + chopping thick ice off upper deck, then hosing down
Interesting that they desire to replace the thick ice with thin black ice! Like the thin stuff doesn't cause falls anyway?
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HMS Hilary's crew are a dedicated lot; they've had several days of
appalling weather on the Northern Patrol, somewhere west of the Shetland
Isles, with wind speeds of 9 to 10 on average. On 6th February
they've recorded (yet again) 'ship labouring heavily', and then at
6.50pm:
Circular rack carrying steering engine in after wheelhouse
carried away on Std side, also supporting pedestals limiting port helm
to 10o.
8.30pm speed of engines regulated to steer vessel.
But they're still checking on the ships in their area; at 10.45pm:
Signalled SS Mexicana bound West, allowed to proceed.
I'm proud of them! I suspect this is probably a sign of OW addiction ... ::)
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HMS Ipigenia, 25th November 1915, somewhere around Mermansk
Hands employed scraping + chopping thick ice off upper deck, then hosing down
Interesting that they desire to replace the thick ice with thin black ice! Like the thin stuff doesn't cause falls anyway?
Slippery
is only one problem; a more substantial, and general, threat is weight.
A build up of thick ice would affect the ship's stability, raising the
centre of gravity, increasing the potential to roll and heel over. See
here
(http://www.wpi.edu/Pubs/E-project/Available/E-project-121808-210626/unrestricted/FINALREPORTUSCG.pdf)
for photos and diagrams (page 21 et seq.).
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Devonshire - 13 December 1916 Winds Force 6 Seas 8 - 10 feet.
Shipwright George Henry Wright reported missing. Washed overboard from fxle.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-39749/ADM%2053-39749-009_1.jpg
Funeral Service held next day.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-39749/ADM%2053-39749-010_0.jpg
A sad day for the crew!!
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From CWGC
WRIGHT, GEORGE HENRY
Rank: Shipwright 2nd Class
Service No: M/15458
Date of Death: 13/12/1916
Age: 32
Regiment/Service: Royal Navy
H.M.S. "Devonshire."
PLYMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL
Additional Information:
Son of S. W. Wright, of Devonport;
husband of Agatha Blanche Wright, of Brendon, Polruan, Cornwall.
Rest in Peace, George Henry Wright
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Unsuccessful salvage of the wreck of S.S. Mara, or Mera?. Not sure of her name.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42828/ADM%2053-42828-047_0.jpg
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Unsuccessful salvage of the wreck of S.S. Mara, or Mera?. Not sure of her name.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42828/ADM%2053-42828-047_0.jpg
??? http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/kosmos.shtml
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Thanks Randi. Great find. It could be the Mera.
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HMS Glasgow made a very noisy arrival at Rio de Janeiro: a total of 34 guns fired.
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HMS Fortol, Admiralty Oiler.
Libau Baltic, February 27th, 1920:
'F.
B. Small W./T. off sick list & returns to duty. W./T. has been off
duty for three weeks with Influenza & cold in his kidney. He has
been treated by the Doctors from HMS Cordelia & Cleopatra.'
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42042/ADM%2053-42042-016_1.jpg
Actually
he resumed duty on February 21st, after being sick for about 10 days,
and his condition relapsed on Febrary 23rd and he was 'off duty again' (as the log says):
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42042/ADM%2053-42042-014_1.jpg
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Early days of the war, and a German fishing boat has been unlucky:
HMS
Grafton 10th C.S. 8. viii. 14, 6.30am Boarded searched &
captured German sailing trawler Geeste (BV 17) 14 days out from
Vegesack, in fish. in Lat 60 20 N Long 0 20 E. (see Boarding Book
Folio 1). In accordance with signalled orders of A.C. 10th C.S.
the crew was removed by ships of Squadron - Grafton took 6 captives and
vessel was sunk by gunfire by ships of Squadron in above position. ~ ~
Boarding Officer, ~ ~ Accompanying Officer. Approved H Heard,
Captain
This is one of those separate entries pasted into the log
book, which messes up the scans but is fascinating. I feel rather
sorry for the crew of the Geeste - after all the war hadn't started
when they left their home port! In the entry 'prisoners' was
written in first and then crossed out and 'captives' written in - I
wonder what the difference was?
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43384/ADM%2053-43384-072_1.jpg
While
we're here - can anyone decipher the signatures of the boarding officer
and accompanying officer? I can't make much of either ...
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The Boarding Officer seems to be ANS Hoskyn perhaps
someone sharp-eyed can read the pencilled name under the Accompanying
Officer
Ava
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W. Bacon Shipsford.
I suppose I could be wrong. :P
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Given his scrawl, frankly it's as likely as anything else! And
it doesn't get any more legible in further renderings ....
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Looks like W. Carson Chaseford to me -
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HMS Iphigenia, 6 April 1916 Murmansk : Discovered leak in forehold of "Bombadier". Sent pumping party on board
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HMS Iphigenia 10th April 1916: Damage by collier to "Iphigenia".
Starb chains broken. Starb Light screen broken + buckled. 2ft of Seg
metal at break of Starb: Anchor bed broken.
Damage to collier:- 8ft
of Bulwark on F.X. buckled + stay bursted from fastening. Sharp indent
in No3 plate from bow 3rd Strake down
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A high-powered visitor to HMS Glory in Romanov/Murmansk on 23 November, 1916:
'H.H. Prince Bagration-Mukhrovsky visited ship.'
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43027/ADM%2053-43027-014_1.jpg
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43027/ADM%2053-43027-014_1.jpg)
I
think that the visitor was actually Prince Bagration-Mukhraneli - the
log-keeper appears to have had a bit of a guess at the second half of
the name. The relevant part of the Wikipedia entry states:
George
Bragration of Mukhrani or Giorgi Bagration-Mukhraneli (Georgian: გიორგი
ბაგრატიონ-მუხრანელი) (July 16, 1884 ? September 29, 1957) was a
Georgian nobleman, and a titular head of the House of Mukhrani, a
collateral branch of the former royal dynasty of Bagrationi.
George
was born in St. Petersburg, Russian Empire, the son of Prince Alexander
Bagration of Mukhrani and Princess Maria n?e Golovatcheva. He was
educated at the Page Corps. He married, in 1908, Helena Sigismundovna,
n?e Nowina Złotnicka (1886?1979), whose Georgian mother Princess Mariam
Eristavi, was a remote descendant of the 18th-century Georgian king
Erekle II.
George Bagration served as a marshal of the
Council of Nobility of Dusheti in Georgia from 1916 to 1917. After the
Russian Revolution of 1917, he hailed independent Georgia and fought
against the Bolsheviks during the Russian Civil War. George chose to
stay in Georgia rather than follow his wife and children in exile
following the Sovietization of the country in 1921. He was,
nevertheless, arrested by the Soviet authorities in 1930, but was soon
released through the efforts of the Russian writer Maxim Gorky. George
Bagration left the Soviet Union and joined his family in their European
exile. He finally settled in Spain in 1944. His son, Irakli, was
energetically involved in Georgian political ?migr? activities. One of
his daughters, Leonida, married Vladimir Cyrillovich Romanov, Pretender
to the Russian throne; the other, Maria, homesick, returned to Soviet
Georgia, but was arrested in 1948 and had to spend eight years in exile
in Magadan. She died in Tbilisi in 1992.
George Bagration
of Mukhrani died in Madrid, Spain, in 1957. His remains were brought
back to Georgia by his grandson Jorge de Bagration in 1995 and interred
at the Cathedral of Living Pillar at Mtskheta.
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Another member of the Russian nobility, soon to be relieved of his duties, visited HMS Glory on 27 January 1917:
'H.I.H. the Grand Duke Cyril Vladimirovitch visited ship.'
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43029/ADM%2053-43029-016_1.jpg
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43029/ADM%2053-43029-016_1.jpg)
Of this gentleman, Wikipedia says:
Grand
Duke Cyril Vladimirovich of Russia (Russian: Кирилл Владимирович;
Kirill Vladimirovich Romanov; 12 October [O.S. 30 September] 1876 ? 12
October 1938) was a member of the Russian Imperial Family. After the
Russian Revolution of 1917 and the deaths of Tsar Nicholas II and his
brother Michael, Cyril assumed the Headship of the Imperial Family of
Russia and later the title Emperor and Autocrat of all the Russias.
...
Grand
Duke Cyril was born in Tsarskoye Selo. His father was Grand Duke
Vladimir Alexandrovich, the third son of Tsar Alexander II and Maria
Alexandrovna of Hesse. His wife was Duchess Marie of
Mecklenburg-Schwerin (later known as Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna), the
daughter of Friedrich Franz II of Mecklenburg-Schwerin and Princess
Augusta Reuss-K?stritz. As a grandson in the male line to a Russian
Tsar, he was titled Grand Duke, with the style Imperial Highness.
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It is not safe to send your mail by boat while at war. You never know who will receive it. ::) ::)
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HMS Edinburgh Castle 14th January 1915 Gibraltar
7.30 Large ball of fire passed over ship & fell into sea 1 mile dist coming from N.E
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-085_1.jpg
No further explanation given
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HMS Iphigenia, 2nd June 1916, Murmansk : S.S. Saxon drifted ashore owing to pressure of ice
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HMS Edinburgh Castle 14th January 1915 Gibraltar
7.30 Large ball of fire passed over ship & fell into sea 1 mile dist coming from N.E
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-085_1.jpg
No further explanation given
Meteor?
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Barbeque mishap ;D
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;D ;D ;D
Are you speaking from experience?
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Statistical inference ;D
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;D for the barbeque, but I think the meteor theory has potential
Here is another, more recent example, of a fireball in Gibraltar
http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=21873
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U.S.S.S. Robin Adair - The great fireball of August 2, 1924: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1926PA.....34..612O
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HMS Iphigenia, 7th August 1916, Murmansk :
Read news by W/T that Trawler "John High" was blown up by mine 5a.m. off Sozonova - one survivor
"Lowercort" arrived 3.30 with body of one of late crew of "John High"
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Barbeque mishap ;D
;D
[/quote]
Old BBQ story:
Skydiver on the way down discovers that his chute has
malfunctioned. :o On the way down he is passed by a guy going UP!
:o The skydiver hollers to the guy "Do you know anything about
parachutes?" The guy on the way up hollers back "No!! Do you know
anything about gas barbeques??!!" ;D
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Nobody is safe from thieves, even if you are a Royal Navy man of war.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42828/ADM%2053-42828-158_0.jpg
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Time really drags on the Glasgow.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42828/ADM%2053-42828-114_1.jpg
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42828/ADM%2053-42828-114_1.jpg)
09:30 & 10:00 RH side notes.
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Time really drags on the Glasgow.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42828/ADM%2053-42828-114_1.jpg
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42828/ADM%2053-42828-114_1.jpg)
09:30 & 10:00 RH side notes.
I wonder whether that meant that the ships arrived again? ???
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Don't know as I haven't arrived back there yet :-\
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HMS Iphigenia, heading towards Kola Inlet, 29th march 1917 :
Stopped engines at intervals speed saying from dead slow to half speed. Course as req'd to avoid large quantities of floe ice
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Nice place to park, at Port Stanley.
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First time I've seen this entry: HMS Iphigenia, Yuhenshie (North russia?):
Issue of Lime juice
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First time I've seen this entry: HMS Iphigenia, Yuhenshie (North russia?):
Issue of Lime juice
I
imagine there wasn't much fresh fruit around, so it would have been a
sensible health measure. I've never seen it recorded anywhere
else, though.
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blimey ;D
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blimey ;D
;D ;D ;D
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First time I've seen this entry: HMS Iphigenia, Yuhenshie (North russia?):
Issue of Lime juice
I
imagine there wasn't much fresh fruit around, so it would have been a
sensible health measure. I've never seen it recorded anywhere
else, though.
Neither
have I but I noted in a book I am reading "1914 to 1918 The history of
the first world war", by Stevenson it says that over 5 million Russian
troops were hospitalised, mainly due to scurvy. The problem was clearly
present and it is to the credit of the British that they understood this
and did something about it.
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That book is a sure sign of addiction - and I admit I was looking
for relevant books when I visited the National Memorial Arboretum a
couple of weeks ago.
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HMS Iphigenia, 7 Sept 1917, Yukanski :
4 ratings joined from HMS Intrepid (1 prisoner at large)
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with a little rum and ice (and sugar and mint ;D), they could make mojitos
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They have ice aplenty, its cold
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Why do you think a nickname for the Brits is 'Limeys'?
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God bless the Royal Navy ;D
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Because Lime juice was issued to the fighting forces to fight off skurve.
It
was a Scottish surgeon in the British Royal Navy, James Lind who first
proved it could be treated with citrus fruit in experiments he described
in his 1753 book, A Treatise of the Scurvy,[1] though his advice was
not implemented by the Royal Navy for several decades.
Sea link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scurvy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scurvy)
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Devonshire 30 March 1917
Log reads ...'Divers employed diving.'
What a novel concept??!! :P
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As the month of June in the Southern Hemisphere is the same as
December in the Northern part, receiving Xmas Presents is not that much
out of date. ::) ::)
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42831/ADM%2053-42831-007_1.jpg
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Devonshire 3 May 1917
Looks like an 'Economic Crisis' in the ship. Some 'Fiduciary Funny Business' :o
Capt. R.L. del Sliotier RMLI did not pay his mess debts to the Ward Room in Jan. Feb or March.
The
Accountant Officer & Staff Paymaster R.G. Robinson logged in that
he has not kept in a constantly complete condition the ship's ledgers.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-39754/ADM%2053-39754-004_1.jpg
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HMS Foxglove 30th May 1920, St James, on way to Penang :
10-0 till 11-30 Curious yellow dis-colouration of sea noticable
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Devonshire 8 May 1917
Sights derelict and gets in a bit of target practice.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-39754/ADM%2053-39754-007_0.jpg
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Devonshire May 1917
She comes across the 'Pond' from
Halifax - docks at Devonport and then the 'Care and Maintenance Crew of
80 ratings comes aboard.
Crew is given leave for a week. To report back 21 May at 7:00AM. ;D
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-39754/ADM%2053-39754-010_1.jpg
Well earned as she had to stop mid sea several times for thick fog. :o
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Its the first time that I saw such an entry: ???
Exchanged colours with Argentine Schooner.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42835/ADM%2053-42835-008_1.jpg
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Sounds as if the Brits and Argies were on better terms than currently.
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HMS Gloucestershire - Observed splashes from shells falling astern
approx: 2000 yds dist: apparantly fired by submarine, Hands to action
stations. Submarine not sighted.
Then a few hours later with no explanation so no idea if related - 12 French magnesium rockets destroyed
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43106/ADM%2053-43106-014_0.jpg
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Some people will nick anything.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42828/ADM%2053-42828-158_0.jpg
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42828/ADM%2053-42828-158_0.jpg)
(1pm entry)
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Devonshire 21 May 1917
Crew comes back after a week's
leave. Discharges Care and Maintenance Crew and just goes back to
work. No postcards, no mention of 'fun in the sun' or anything!
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-39754/ADM%2053-39754-013_1.jpg
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Its the first time that I saw such an entry: ???
Exchanged colours with Argentine Schooner.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42835/ADM%2053-42835-008_1.jpg
Maybe they were playing PaintBall. ;D ;D
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Captain H.Kohler has already reported the sinking of the German ship
'Dresden' in previous entries. 14 Mar 1915 (the sinking, not the
reporting) ;D
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42828/ADM%2053-42828-169_1.jpg
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42828/ADM%2053-42828-169_1.jpg)
I noticed that the 'Glasgow' took up a position to fire on Dresdon without damage to the shore.
Jolly decent of them but just how much collateral damage could they do in that area?
Dresdon info.
http://www.german-navy.de/hochseeflotte/ships/smallcruiser/dresden/index.html
(http://www.german-navy.de/hochseeflotte/ships/smallcruiser/dresden/index.html)
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A commodore came on board somewhere in the Atlantic?
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42838/ADM%2053-42838-003_1.jpg
No. Captain John Luce has been promoted to Commodore.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42837/ADM%2053-42837-002_1.jpg
Wikipedia gives a history of his life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Luce_(Royal_Navy_officer)
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Sounds as if the Brits and Argies were on better terms than currently.
Yep.
They had no oil; we had no petroleum oil but the Falklands had whaling
stations. They had beef and we had coal. There were many people of
British origin (mainly Welsh, as I recall) in Argentina.
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HMS
Gloucestershire - Observed splashes from shells falling astern approx:
2000 yds dist: apparantly fired by submarine, Hands to action stations.
Submarine not sighted.
Then a few hours later with no explanation so no idea if related - 12 French magnesium rockets destroyed
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43106/ADM%2053-43106-014_0.jpg
Probably
not. Magnesium is tricky stuff and when lit it is very difficult to
extinguish. I suspect that the rockets were for illuminating a target at
night and that a careful eye would be kept on the condition of the
casing. Any sign of deterioration and they would likely be consigned to a
less hazardous location ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnesium
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H.M.S. Glasgow P A I D O F F
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42838/ADM%2053-42838-017_0.jpg
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H.M.S. Glasgow P A I D O F F
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42838/ADM%2053-42838-017_0.jpg
End
of voyage, not of ship. The new crew is commissioned the
following day - they seem to take advantage of the lack of days in
February to tack the last 3 days of January onto that month's log,
making a clean break between voyages.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42839/ADM%2053-42839-003_1.jpg
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You are right Janeth, and the page you posted also has the complete list of officers on board of H.M.S. Glasgow.
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And guess what the first duty's of the seamen were? (Cleaning the ship, then cleaning their clothes).
The sun must have glinted from the Navy ships in those days.
Only another 10 months and I catch up with the current location of the ship. ;)
Hope I am not listed as AWOL.
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I was talking to a retired sailor the other week. He said that
because, even in WW2, they needed so many men when they were in action
there were a lot of men cooped up in a ship with not a lot to do when
they weren't. So, since everyone knows that boredom breeds strife, they
found things for them to do - cleaning, painting, scraping etc. Of
course, if like me you remember open fires, then coal fired ships would
tend to get dirty so some of the cleaning would be necessary.
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HMS Edinburgh Castle
Cautioned act Lieut J.W. Toms RNR(Temp) for making an improper remark to Commander Stuart RNR
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40583/ADM%2053-40583-006_0.jpg
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HMS Edinburgh Castle 28th April 1917
Someone fired at my ship >:(
11.45 Increasing speed to chase steamer bearing SE steering SW
1.0 Fired shot to right of steamer - Fire returned by stranger 2 rounds
1.3 Action sounded
1.6 Sounded secure stranger hoisted "Highland Star" but continued full speed
1.55 Stopped & boarded Lat. 15.45S Long. 25.07W
2.28 Proceeded N30E 65 Revs
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Someone fired at my ship >:(
Rank impertinence... :o
fetch the gang plank.... ;)
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Keel haul the Blighters!! ;D
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Repel boarders ;D
10. Swarm of locusts invaded ship
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40591/ADM%2053-40591-013_1.jpg
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No! break out the deep fat frier - that's an extra tea snack flying in! ;D ;D ;D
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Uruguayan vessel Pesca arrived with Sir Ernest Shackleton.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42843/ADM%2053-42843-015_1.jpg
It is not the first time that Sir Ernest Shackleton is mentioned. You'll find more information on page 16 of this topic.
P.S.
After some research I found out that this vessel was a tug manned with
servicemen from the Uruguayan Navy. Her complete name is Instituto de
Pesca N?1.
She came back from an unsuccessful attempt to rescue
Sir Shackleton's men at Elephant Island, witch was eventually reached
by August 1916.
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A competition is a good diversion from the dull daily work of cleaning, scrubbing or painting :D
Held loader competition
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42846/ADM%2053-42846-010_0.jpg
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Do you get to find out who won? :)
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Unfortunately it was not mentioned in the log. :(
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The results rarely are - though on Cardiff there was someone who did
record the results of football matches with other ships for a few weeks
- I suspect it was a sign either of a new and keen captain, or nothing
much else happening ..... :D
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The
results rarely are - though on Cardiff there was someone who did record
the results of football matches with other ships for a few weeks - I
suspect it was a sign either of a new and keen captain, or nothing much
else happening ..... :D
or a soccer (football) fanatic of a log keeper, who was talked into excluding games that happened off ship by said captain. ;D
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HMS Devonshire
Divers employed in Monthly dip - clearing inlets.
Is that like taking a bath once a month whether you need it or not?! ::)
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I've seen "Divers at monthly dip." a number of times ;)
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I've seen "Divers at monthly dip." a number of times ;)
OK - so I was wrong about Elizabethan bands the other day...but here they are taking Elizabethan baths... :D
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;D
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I saw 'divers at monthly dip' just this morning and I was really wondering what it meant!
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What a day on the Columbella! :P
Collided in the middle of the night and had to watch SS Fife sink. :o
Very cautious depth soundings taken...then 'Lost overboard lead & 90 fthms of wire' :-[
then an afternoon/evening of escorting all sorts. ???
Luckily the weather was very moderate for mid February!
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-38278/ADM%2053-38278-153_0.jpg
After that lot I'm certainly ready for pipedown and a comfy hammock... ;)
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I saw 'divers at monthly dip' just this morning and I was really wondering what it meant!
I just assumed it was a test/practice to be sure that they would be prepared when they were needed...
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I saw 'divers at monthly dip' just this morning and I was really wondering what it meant!
I just assumed it was a test/practice to be sure that they would be prepared when they were needed...
Probably
exactly what is said. Where I am, the city's emergency sirens go
off at 10am the first Tuesday of every month, and insomniacs see a gray
screen on their TV in the wee hours of the morning announcing the weekly
mandatory test of the emergency broadcast netwok. In my life
time, I've heard each of those activated for real once - and when winds
and storms are that bad, I'm glad they ran the tests to keep the
machinery from freezing up. Unused machinery can corrode or gunk
up very easily.
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Call me a terrible landlubber, but I always assumed the divers were
people, and wondered why they only went underwater once a month... :-[
Silly me.
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As far as I know, the divers ARE people.
I've had divers sent to do various things.
I
think there is simply a monthly drill. Maybe it is practice for
emergencies or for times when they don't have a lot of diving for work
:-\
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The entry ALSO spoke of 'clearing inlets.' I'm guessing
that it might be routine maintenance to clear the inlets (intakes) for
the engines and or ship's water use. In current times ours tend to
suck up seaweed, kelp, flotsam, and stuff and then the engines don't
get enough cooling water :-[(no radiators like cars! ;)) and they
overheat. 8)
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I found a picture of the equipment and suits needed for diving, a
more modern version from the 1930s. The attached hoses are because
air was pumped down to them from the ship.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Tritonia_Lusitania_1935.jpg/640px-Tritonia_Lusitania_1935.jpg)
Two
divers, one wearing the "Tritonia" ADS and the other standard diving
dress, preparing to explore the wreck of the RMS Lusitania, 1935.
In
1935, a diver wearing a 1 atmosphere diving suit (a suit which
maintained an internal pressure of one atmosphere -- the same pressure
as at the surface of the ocean.) developed by J. Peress, is about to
explore the wreck of the Lusitania.
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...that's amazing, straight out of Jules Verne.
To
think that my divers looked like that. No wonder they only went under
once a month, it looks like it might have been a risky business. I don't
think they'd have been able to make for surface if something went
wrong.../shivers
Just found me some new heroes I have.
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I know the big pipe is for air...but the guy on the left of the
photo (white jumper + cap) has a telephone to his ear - did they have a
communication wire in the pipe as well?
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The picture was from 1935, I couldn't find any older ones. The
big diving suit is totally new, not available to our divers. The
standard diving suit - canvas with the hose attached - is the equipment
our divers had to check out monthly, to see that the air was still
pumping in. I'd assume the portable phone is also too 'modern' to
be available on OW ships.
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There's one over here, it seems pretty much the same suit:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlscotland/4700627188/
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlscotland/4700627188/)
Also I found
they did have telephone in the fifties
(http://blog.modernmechanix.com/aquatic-telephones-let-skin-divers-talk-under-water/
(http://blog.modernmechanix.com/aquatic-telephones-let-skin-divers-talk-under-water/))
but WW1 might have been a bit early for that.
Thanks a lot for all the information, I am learning tons! :)
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The learning is the top reason I love this project! ;D
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The learning is the top reason I love this project! ;D
;D ;D
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Three near-misses in as many days for HMS Isis in Halifax Harbour;-
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45038/ADM%2053-45038-010_0.jpg
14th July 1917;
10.7 (PM), Stopped & full astern to avoid collision.
11.55 (PM), Stopped to avoid collision.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45038/ADM%2053-45038-011_0.jpg
16th July 1917;
5.10 (AM), Stopped to avoid collision.
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Three near-misses in as many days for HMS Isis in Halifax Harbour;-
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45038/ADM%2053-45038-010_0.jpg
14th July 1917;
10.7 (PM), Stopped & full astern to avoid collision.
11.55 (PM), Stopped to avoid collision.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45038/ADM%2053-45038-011_0.jpg
16th July 1917;
5.10 (AM), Stopped to avoid collision.
And
I missed all the fun! :( I've been there TWICE on
Devonshire in April & May and NOTHING happened! Guess I got
there too early ;)
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If you get there on December 6, 1917 hope for the best ;D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_Explosion
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The Halifax Explosion was the reason I posted those examples of,
apparent near-misses in the months before the Explosion;- the
Explosion itself being caused by two ships colliding in the harbour.
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I was wondering if you knew about it, bpb42. I guess it's pretty well known (or you are well informed ;D)
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It's come up a few times before here,
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1858.msg23164#msg23164
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HMS Mutine
"Carried out monthly diving test"
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-81166/0047_1.jpg
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Shows how lazy you can get when you visit a port often.
Log entry HMS Glasgow, 5 Oct 1917 upon arriving in Rio.
'Usual Brazilian ships in harbour'
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Shows how lazy you can get when you visit a port often.
Log entry HMS Glasgow, 5 Oct 1917 upon arriving in Rio.
'Usual Brazilian ships in harbour'
;D ;D ;D
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HMS Isis , 6th August 1917, escorting a convoy to Liverpool,
'9.52 (AM) Heard explosion.Observed that 'Angalia' had been torpedoed.
Inc'd to full speed.
9.57 (AM) Convoy to 8pt W stb'd.Detached 2 TBD's to search for & keep down submarine.'
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45039/ADM%2053-45039-006_0.jpg
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Devonshire gets herself in a bit of a blow on her way to Plymouth.
Hove to head N 40 W Heavy sea.
It continues for a day and a half.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-39757/ADM%2053-39757-017_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-39757/ADM%2053-39757-018_0.jpg
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'Leave to watch and boys'.
Boys?????
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'Leave to watch and boys'.
Boys?????
Yup
At
the time of WW1, Boys could be taken on as young as 14. Don't forget
the school leaving age in the UK was that until some years after WW2.
Also the youngest Victoria Cross winner was Boy Cornwall at the Battle
of Jutland. He was just 15 and a national hero.
Contrary to all
our fears for youngsters these days, I get the impression they were well
cared for - tough and strictly disciplined yes, but fairly, and
probably free, in all but the most exceptional cases of real abuse. I
posted a link in one of the forum about naval court martials in the
First World War. I don't recollect seeing any cases of Boys being
abused.
If anyone finds evidence to the contrary, I'd like to know about it.
Thanks. Gordon
I
think "Boys" refers to the boy seamen in a ship. They were as young as
13 and stayed as boys until they were rated Ordinary Seaman at, I think,
about 17 years of age. They received compulsory education in
their ships which is probably the reference to "back to school". Google
"Boy Cornwell VC" for more background.
This thread (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1333.msg13708#msg13708) has quite a bit on the subject.
I have seen many leave entries like: 'men to 7:00am, boys to 7:00pm'
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'Leave to watch and boys'.
Boys?????
Yup
At
the time of WW1, Boys could be taken on as young as 14. Don't forget
the school leaving age in the UK was that until some years after WW2.
Also the youngest Victoria Cross winner was Boy Cornwall at the Battle
of Jutland. He was just 15 and a national hero.
Contrary to all
our fears for youngsters these days, I get the impression they were well
cared for - tough and strictly disciplined yes, but fairly, and
probably free, in all but the most exceptional cases of real abuse. I
posted a link in one of the forum about naval court martials in the
First World War. I don't recollect seeing any cases of Boys being
abused.
If anyone finds evidence to the contrary, I'd like to know about it.
Thanks. Gordon
I
think "Boys" refers to the boy seamen in a ship. They were as young as
13 and stayed as boys until they were rated Ordinary Seaman at, I think,
about 17 years of age. They received compulsory education in
their ships which is probably the reference to "back to school". Google
"Boy Cornwell VC" for more background.
This thread (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1333.msg13708#msg13708) has quite a bit on the subject.
I have seen many leave entries like: 'men to 7:00am, boys to 7:00pm'
The
log keeper on the Columbella was quite assiduous in noting what the
Boys were up to - they often had physical fitness drill whilst the older
hands had, eg fire drills. And their leave was noted -of course they
always had to be back before the men.
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That reminds me there was a TV programme on BBC2 earlier this week
about George V that included some clips of boys doing some drill with
rifles. They were talking about how he was sent at age 12 to be a naval
cadet (in 1877 so a bit before our time). The clip is about 3 mins into
the programme so you don't need to watch the whole thing. (and there's a
bit of Julian Fellowes for the Downton Abbey fans!)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0195qtj
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Glasgow 19 Nov 1915
9pm 1 deserter brought on board by escort
Glasgow 20 Nov 1915
9pm Prisoner at large broke out of ship.
Glasgow 28 Nov 1915
Discharged 1 rating awaiting trial by Court Martial to Laconia.
Same deserter?
Glasgow 5 Dec 1915
1 deserter from HMS Pioneer brought on board by escort. Wonder how long before this one breaks out ;D ?
Glasgow 12 Dec 1915
Midnight crossed out and Noon entered.
Just one of those dark days I guess. ocp
Glasgow 25 Dec 1915
See the At.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42837/ADM%2053-42837-015_1.jpg
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42837/ADM%2053-42837-015_1.jpg)
It's
the first time i've seen At Sea written like that. Also note the fade
at the end of the letter, maybe to much Christmas Cheer? ;D
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Glasgow 25 Dec 1915
See the At.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42837/ADM%2053-42837-015_1.jpg
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42837/ADM%2053-42837-015_1.jpg)
It's
the first time i've seen At Sea written like that. Also note the fade
at the end of the letter, maybe to much Christmas Cheer? ;D
We have had a few log keepers that used 'C' for Sea ;)
Way back,
the first time I ran across 'At Sea', it was one of those very strange
'S's and it looked like a 'T'. I couldn't find Tea on the map, but I
dutifully transcribed it as such for a couple of pages until a comment
in the forum made me realize that it was Sea ;D
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It lasted a few days them back to Sea. :)
Randi_2, Where are you up to in the logs?
I have just finished Dec 1915.
Doing reviews now for a while.
Change of mind.
back to logs till review updated.
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Way back,
the first time I ran across 'At Sea', it was one of those very strange
'S's and it looked like a 'T'. I couldn't find Tea on the map, but I
dutifully transcribed it as such for a couple of pages until a comment
in the forum made me realize that it was Sea ;D
You could be excused for assuming "At Tea" ;D
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Devonshire 23 October 1917
Guess I'm done in!!!!!!! :o
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Perhaps your talent has been recognised and you've been promoted to captain your own desk.
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Perhaps your talent has been recognised and you've been promoted to captain your own desk.
I'm sure that's better than 'lost overboard by an idiot accident!!! :D
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H.M.S. Glasgow 18th January 1918 in Sierra Leone
Cleaning ship + taking onboard ? 1000.000. of gold
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42862/ADM%2053-42862-012_0.jpg
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H.M.S. Glasgow 18th January 1918 in Sierra Leone
Cleaning ship + taking onboard ? 1000.000. of gold
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42862/ADM%2053-42862-012_0.jpg
Holy Moly!! THAT's some SERIOUS spec!!!!!! :o
Planning on 'gold leafing' the whole ship??!! ;)
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oh my giddy aunt! a million squids? And noted so casually...like it was coal. :P
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From my poor memory I think Glasgow has carried gold before.
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HMS Gloucestershire December 1918 alongside German submarines at Cammell Lairds Birkenhead
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43118/ADM%2053-43118-007_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43118/ADM%2053-43118-008_0.jpg
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Oh, to have had a log keeper who recorded more; from HMS Hilary, 15th April 1916:
11am stopped in Lat 59 53 N Long 14 W Vice Admiral came onboard, presented medals to two ratings & inspected ship's company.
Why couldn't he have recorded who and why?
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44331/ADM%2053-44331-010_1.jpg
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I know just what you mean. Dartmouth had a pre-war incident in
Jakarta where the whole ship ended up moving coal around for a week
while sailing on. I'd love to have a session as a fly on the
captain's wall/bulkhead and figure out the explanation.
At other times they go into tedious (at least to us) detail about other events.
Ah well, they couldn't have dreamed about us sitting at our keyboards transcribing their entries nearly 100 years later.
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Here's "Intrepid" having a pleasant day at sea
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44878/ADM%2053-44878-013_1.jpg)
First time I've ever had a sip Hove To
Ian
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Hi Ian
Nice weather indeed.
Could I suggest you send the URL of the page instead of the page. (Some bits get cut off the sides)
To send the URL
Right click the log page you wish to show,
Click, Copy Image URL. (note: this will be different to what you browser shows)
Then in the post reply area (here) click the Second icon from the left. (world with page)
Click in the middle of the two URL entries and paste the URL you copied.
It is all a learning curve.
Regards
Stuart.
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I didn't quite understand the procedure,
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44878/ADM%2053-44878-014_0.jpg
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44878/ADM%2053-44878-014_0.jpg)
is this correct and can you tell me what is the entry at 8pm
Ian
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Hi Ian.
You got it in one.
As for the entries, you will find a lot of hard ones till you get used to the recorders way of writing.
I can see
G to 10. ??
courses to bar, manouvered to keep clear of the bar (usually a sand bank)
Standing by trawler cleaning tubes
then ??
For the weather boffins, you really only need to enter:
Date
Location
Wind. direction & force
Weather \barometer
Temps.
For the Historians, they want everything ;D but
You enter notes that you think are interesting or may be useful.
I do not know what you have been entering but most new users enter almost everything and soon get fed up of it.
I enter ships met/sighted etc.
Funny notes.
Unusual entries.
I only enter data from the right hand side when it is unusual .
Be selective and enjoy.
Stuart.
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Stuart,
thanks, but I worked it out
9 to 10 Courses Var
Standing by trawler cleaning tubes and fires
though
why a trawler would be undertaking this maintenance 100 nm to sea is a
bit of a mystery, I'm guessing the engine room and boilers were swamped
in the recent storm, Now that would have been a interesting ship
to be on!!
Ian
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Hi, Guys.
It's "9 to 10" - (o'clock)
"Courses var" - (courses various) [keeping an eye open and possibly circling while]
"Standing
by trawler cleaning tubes & fires" (doing a little housekeeping,
engine stopped while the boiler is out, but with support from HMS
Intrepid if required.)
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RATS!
I didn't get the usual caution about your posting Ian. Well sorted.
As
to the reason: it's April so it could simply be spring cleaning or, as
you've had some rough weather, it could be that the customary boiler
fire care wasn't maintained, as you suggest, leading to reduced
performance.
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This 3 hour cruise on "Intrepid" just keeps getting better
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44878/ADM%2053-44878-014_1.jpg
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44878/ADM%2053-44878-014_1.jpg)
Going on the sea and air temp difference "Intrepid" has been in fog for the last two days!!
Not that the watch keeper has noticed yet
Ian
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bar - var opps sorry.
:(
Your up late Bunts, but good to see your keeping me in line ;D
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bar - var opps sorry.
:(
Glad your back Bunts to keep me in line ;D
Taking
into account the reputation of your country of residence, it is perhaps
not surprising that your subconscious obliged you to consider "bar" as
the first option. ;)
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:D
One does tend to slip into the local habit easily. ::)
Not like when I was in England. (much ;D )
English/Irish bars in August/Sept. Stack up the pints. 8)
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This is the nearest I've had to a matching pair.
HMS Gloucestershire 23rd Feb 1917
Noon 26 09n, 26.08w.
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;D
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This 3 hour cruise on "Intrepid" just keeps getting better
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44878/ADM%2053-44878-014_1.jpg
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44878/ADM%2053-44878-014_1.jpg)
Going on the sea and air temp difference "Intrepid" has been in fog for the last two days!!
Not that the watch keeper has noticed yet
Ian
Hi
Ian, On about 20th April on the intrepid the wind rose from force 4 to
force 8 in 4 hours - without a blink on the barometer. I think that
their applications for work at the Met Office will have to be turned
down this time around. ::)
Ava
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I'm sorry, this is truly tongue in cheek. The Intrepid log is far
from riveting..but I felt a need to share the entry before breakfast.
One would hate to arrive in the mess in a mess...
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44878/ADM%2053-44878-016_0.jpg
thank goodness for the dress code. 8)
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Indeed, standards must be maintained ....
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right - I MUST stop quoting the intrepid, but what happened after
the effete event of yesterday's breakfast made me scratch my head in
disbelief:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44878/ADM%2053-44878-016_1.jpg
the
floor crumbled away as they coaled the ship....but no doubt they were
smartly dressed as Wales' black-gold sank into the bilges. I keep seeing
alternate pictures of Schroeder and Pigpen going through my mind - or
perhaps I'm going (pea-)nuts...
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I hope they might have changed into something more suitable - I'm
sure the Royal Navy had specified clothing for all possible
occasions. And please don't stop quoting the Intrepid - it's
fascinating!
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I'm
sorry, this is truly tongue in cheek. The Intrepid log is far from
riveting..but I felt a need to share the entry before breakfast. One
would hate to arrive in the mess in a mess...
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44878/ADM%2053-44878-016_0.jpg
thank goodness for the dress code. 8)
Is Dress No3 the full length green striped one or the Pink off the shoulder one, I forget. ;D
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;D ;D ;D
Tell you what - if YOU try them on, it'd help to jog my memory - ;)
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Evening Ava.
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Morning Squire ;D
Bubble bloop blooooblluble bloop (it rained a lot here today and this is the best I can manage with my snorkel) ;)
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12c here. Cloudy.
Going flying today (gliding), not expecting much lift but need a challenge.
Some of our members come from Canberra (take note Steeleye)
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Have fun! ;D
Ava
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12c here. Cloudy.
Going flying today (gliding), not expecting much lift but need a challenge.
Some of our members come from Canberra (take note Steeleye)
Sunny and hazy here yesterday. 30?C. Got out for a sail (a bit closer to the water than you likely were Stuart ;D)
I
MUST be ADDICTED because when I got back in and set the data in my log
book I AUTOMATICALLY followed the OW protocols for wind, sky, and sea
conditions!!! ;) bcm 2-3 29.98
85?F sea 72?F ;)
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;D ;D ;D
Blighty x Oxford = SW 1-2 oc and double underlined R 14C this a.m. now just SW 1-2 oc 17C
smiley brolleys to the ready!
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We are expecting perhaps the highest temp ever recorded for this day
- somewhere around 105 F - with quite of bit of humidity :P
:o Tomorrow - severe thunderstorms - ack! but after that,
the heat wave is supposed to break...
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eekkk - melt down today then...stay cool. Glad to hear that you're
likely to be getting a change in weather, it's sounded exhausting
:o
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They say the "cold" front will get to Chicago this evening, after
the 4th day in a row of 100+ temps. So it should get to you on the
coast sometime tomorrow. Even sunrise this morning was muggy in
the mid-80s; I did my lakeside walk then to avoid the worst. I'll
be glad to get back to July-normal.
It was a beautiful red-sky hazy sunrise, though. :)
(https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/myalbum/thumbnail/photo17/96/a3/0433354d45c6__1341656871000.jpg?tw=0&th=720&s=true&rs=false)
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oh gosh Janet - what a beautiful place! Stunning sunrise! What wonderful walks you must have.
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It's about a half mile walk for me to get to the lake front, but
Chicago and Evanston north of Chicago make a big thing of having the
lake front "open and free". There's about 4 miles of trail in
Evanston and 16 connected miles in Chicago (not connected to Evanston,
unfortunately) that are narrow parks with jogging/biking paths right on
the lake shore. (Sometimes very narrow, the width of the actual
path going around someone's structure. ::) ) And Lake Michigan is
magnificent. Not an ocean at all, but definitely a fresh water
inland sea. I love this place, even with its occasional very hot
summers and very frigid winters.
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just sounds wonderful. I have to admit a distant affection for the
lakes since one of the 6 (!) or so books we had in our house when I was
little was 'Paddle to the Sea' about a little carved figure that
floated round the lakes and told their stories as he went.
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It's
about a half mile walk for me to get to the lake front, but Chicago and
Evanston north of Chicago make a big thing of having the lake front
"open and free". There's about 4 miles of trail in Evanston and 16
connected miles in Chicago (not connected to Evanston, unfortunately)
that are narrow parks with jogging/biking paths right on the lake
shore. (Sometimes very narrow, the width of the actual path going
around someone's structure. ::) ) And Lake Michigan is
magnificent. Not an ocean at all, but definitely a fresh water
inland sea. I love this place, even with its occasional very hot
summers and very frigid winters.
Janet: I'm jealous! I need to drive 25 miles to get to Lake Ontario and the boat!
Just
a 'water factoid' - with Janet on Michigan and me on Ontario (actually
I'm near the Niagara River about halfway between Lakes Erie and Ontario)
- in total the 5 Great Lakes hold 20% of the world's fresh water!
They also have 10,000 miles of coastline which we share with Canada
(except Lake Michigan is all USA!). :o
http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/namerica/greatlk.htm
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ooo - that's BIG. :o
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Before Alaska joined the union, the state of Michigan had the
longest coastline of any other state, including California and Florida -
touching 4 of the 5 Great Lakes. They really do not behave the
same as lakes small enough to see across, there's a totally different
feel to them.
Living near any one of them is also a
responsibility. We need to not only clean up our past sins, we
need to preserve them as living ecosystems.
Tastiger also lives near Lake Michigan, in Wisconsin - just below the Door County peninsula.
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I've said some tough things about the Intrepid...but boy oh boy...see the entry for 11 pm
the midnight weather report was oms and 24F
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44879/ADM%2053-44879-013_0.jpg
They'd
already worked on the T38 during the day - so it must have been
something pretty awful to make them dive at 11 pm?!? :o :o
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Doesn't sound like much fun. What is Y38?
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Doesn't sound like much fun. What is Y38?
Russian Trawler T38 - they beached it the day before.
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so they had - I was distracted by the other oddities and didn't spot that..what were they up to???
They are just so inexplicable...I think the cold had got to their brains! ::)
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How does one test a Life bouy, drop it over the side?
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44879/ADM%2053-44879-016_0.jpg
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Ian
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Hey Ian - your doing the Intrepid at the same dates as me and PeteB9! I just did that day. ;D ;D
Here's
something interesting regarding the shipping on that page. I had
to track the Sir Mark Sykes to check the name as I put it into the
search database. I bumped into an enquiry from a WWI forum. Not only did
it have some interesting info and a photo of the Sir MS, it also
revealed that:
"For a good summary of White Sea trawler
operations see "Under the Black Ensign" by Captain RS Gwatkin-Williams
CMG RN." Gwatkin-Williams being the 'current' Captain of the
Intrepid.
Magnificent - can't keep note of where the Intrepid is because he's busy writing his book. :o
Mind you, looks like an interesting book. ::)
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right
- I MUST stop quoting the intrepid, but what happened after the effete
event of yesterday's breakfast made me scratch my head in disbelief:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44878/ADM%2053-44878-016_1.jpg
the
floor crumbled away as they coaled the ship....but no doubt they were
smartly dressed as Wales' black-gold sank into the bilges. I keep seeing
alternate pictures of Schroeder and Pigpen going through my mind - or
perhaps I'm going (pea-)nuts...
That woke me up. We have decks on ships and quay(ide)s alongside but seldom a mention of "floor".
I don't think it has anything to do with Snoopy's overloaded kennel nor his burying activity.
One alternative reading (of the many possible available) that I'd like you to consider is:
"owing
to gear carrying away". Force 3 wind, 10-12 mph, doesn't seem all that
threatening but the low temperature may have made it difficult to
assemble the coaling gear.
Or not. ;)
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Yes!!! You are just soooo good at the writing stuff. I think you are
right and it is gear. So all we need to now is explain how the
diving party spent some hours over midnight working on a beached trawler
and we're home and dry.... :P ;D
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I gotta admit "gear" seems to have the correct number of letters,
but the first assumption just has to be moved to Mondegreens!! ;D
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Afternoon Janet.
Evening Ava.
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Good morrow! 8)
Not far off 'darken ship' due to the working week ticking back round (boo hiss). :(
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Good afternoon, Stuart. I'm in for the evening. :)
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http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44880/ADM%2053-44880-003_1.jpg
Even romance is concise and slightly unreadable on Intrepid.
9.45 Seaman marries.
Poor
logkeeper almost had to spend a whole line of log on a life-changing
experience for one of his fellow seamen. That's almost twice the number
of letters in 'breakfast'. Not his day.
Luckily they get back to
exercising right after, with a lecture, but no hint to the lecture
having something to do with the marriage, alas.
And unfortunately once more no location, so we don't know where he married...
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I hate to say this, but I think it says
Seamen + marines
exercise at Loader and Lecture
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Thanks to you I have some editing to do on that page, and that is very good. Please never hate to say anything :)
It's
comforting to know that it was not as unromantic as I thought, but
slightly disconcerting that I used to transcribe handwriting that
policemen had made standing up and this man still baffles me.
Let's hope for less embarrassing mistakes where I think I've read at
least *one* word clearly and that's still incorrect. Heh.
In my
defense, I've never had a mention of marines before on all my time on
Intrepid. On the other hand, neither had I ever encountered Ordinary
Seamen before until five minutes ago. Whole ship is just swarming with
mysteries :).
Thank you very much. We have to stop meeting like this ;)
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;D
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The sentence seems to be "Stopped coaling forward owing to gear carrying away"
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I would go with "seaman marries", Karijn. It would get more attention from the historians. Marines are a dime a dozen ;D
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HMS Devonshire, 9th Sept' 1918, on convoy duty one day after leaving Liverpool,
'12.30 SS 'Missanabie' Torpedoed
12.30 Apprpx Pos'n 51 07N 7 12W
12.38 SS 'Missanabie' sunk'
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HMS Devonshire, 9th Sept' 1918, on convoy duty one day after leaving Liverpool,
'12.30 SS 'Missanabie' Torpedoed
12.30 Apprpx Pos'n 51 07N 71 2W
12.38 SS 'Missanabie' sunk'
SS Missanabie: http://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?11122 ;D
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How weird that wrecksite.eu is Dutch. Or is that just because I am
over here? Anyway, just give a holla if any of you ever need any
translation.
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http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-39759/ADM%2053-39759-203_1.jpg
HMS Devonshire, 9th Sept' 1918, on convoy duty one day after leaving Liverpool,
'12.30 SS 'Missanabie' Torpedoed
12.30 Apprpx Pos'n 51 07N 71 2W
12.38 SS 'Missanabie' sunk'
Now
I suspect that this is a true sign of addiction. I noticed that Approx
Pos'n didnt look right for 1 day out of Liverpool. In fact 51 07N, 71 2 W
is in Quebec State, Canada (yes I looked it up!!!). I checked the log
and it should read 51 07N 7 12W. I guess this is just an error in
transcription into the forum, but I mention it just in case.
Note to self. A combination of addiction and pedantry is not attractive in a man. Sorry!
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Well spotted - my mistake making the forum post; the actual log page shows 7.12W at 12.30, ( and 7.05W at Noon).
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Note to self. A combination of addiction and pedantry is not attractive in a man. Sorry!
Beauty, Tegwen, is in the eye of the BEHOLDER! ;) 8)
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Right! ;D :-*
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5 pm Intrepid takes posession of a 'German Submarine Buoy'
Presumably a life saving device the Mark Sykes came across during her patrol.
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Another way of being hoist of one's own petard?
This is from a
book that randi_2 cleverly found on the net called 'Under the Black
Ensign' and written by the captain of the Intrepid. There is so little
in the logs that it's always seemed a bit odd...well here's a story from
his 'long' log so to speak!:
It was on the 2nd of September,
1917, that the British s.s. Olive Branch was peacefully pursuing her way
to Murmansk, she being then in latitude 72.27 north and one hundred and
fifty miles from the North Cape. She was quite unconscious of any
danger when she was grimly made aware that things were not what they
seemed by being struck in the engine-room by a torpedo. The ship
did not immediately sink, and time permitted of the crew getting clear
of her in their boats, which they
at once lowered. Barely had they
done this, however, when the submarine came to the surface and closed on
the sinking vessel. The German in command of the U-boat was evidently
of an impatient nature, and, becoming restless at his victim's slow rate
of sinking, closed to within two hundred and fifty yards of her to
despatch her with his gun, quite indifferent to the question as to
whether any of the Olive Branch's crew still remained on board their
ship or not. At such point-blank range the Hun could not possibly miss
his target, and one round sufficed ? both for the submarine and for the
ship. The Olive Branch happened to be one of the many ships loaded with
munitions and high explosive,
and as the first and only shell struck
home she blew up with a deafening roar. Such an explosion at close
quarters would in any case probably have severely shaken the submarine,
but a much more dramatic and unexpected fate was in store for her. It
happened that stowed on the fore-deck of the Olive Branch there was a
heavy motor-lorry, and this, lifted by the explosion, came hurtling
through the air and fell with a crash on to the submarine. Under the
impact the U-boat instantly sank...
Well - I need a cup of tea after all that excitement...
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Sorry - couldn't resist this one... Ian, PeteB9, Karijn and I have
just been through Summer 1917 in the Intrepid's logs.
Apart
from emphasizing the F O G we are told very little...strangely and
suddenly small groups were getting time off watch..and perhaps we now
know why...
This was a summer of fogs; from the 20th of July
until the 2nd of August we found ourselves enveloped in an almost
continuous fog blanket. As a result, more than one in-coming ship struck
the rocks ; but they were one and all got off and successfully patched
up. It was probably due to this dark, damp weather that by the 8th of
August enormous quantities of mushrooms, toad-
stools and other
fungi had begun to show up on shore, a phenomenon which we had not
noticed during the previous season. From our Russian friends we learnt
that none of these fungi were poisonous, and, in fact, that all were
edible ? only some more so than others. A few minutes' walk and anyone
could gather many sackfuls of them, they proving to be delicious eating.
From the
Russians also we learned to thread them on strings and dry
them. Dried in this way they become as hard as wood, but will keep for
months, after which period they, having been soaked for an hour in
water, regain once more all the qualities of the fresh-gathered article,
and are once more fit for eating.
From 'Under the Black Ensign' - written by the Intrepid's Captain
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Goodnight all!
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;D
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Like you I've wondered why the men were suddenly getting leave
again, after never getting any for weeks. And now you found out they
were out stringing mushrooms?
:D
That's my favorite thing for today. Wonderful wonderful...
I
have not been able to read the whole thing, though I did a search to
see if he mentions our logkeeper anywhere. I am so curious about the man
right now...
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;D ;D
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http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44882/ADM%2053-44882-016_0.jpg
Medical Lecture by Surgeon.
He'd
have to, with all those seamen eating all kinds of mushrooms because
some Russians told them that none of them are poisonous. Have to keep
'em able-bodied. ;D
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Well - that's another odd thing - don't know if you've noticed that
they have a high sick list - often 7/8/9 & went up to 11 at one
point (then they shipped 4 off to Arkanghel) - for a boat that doesn't
apparently do much. Then again they suddenly have a couple of boat
inspections by the Captain & staff. I've been on expeditions before
and that sort of action was most often caused by hands not being washed
when leaving the loo...nothing more sinister than that. Also they
were repairing the pier at that time - I hope they didn't pick off some
big juicy mussels that had filtered a few too many things
(yeeeeuuurrrgh) :o :P. (Don't dwell on that one!) ::)
;D
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Yes, I've noticed that they are up to 7/8/9 all the time.
Last
time I saw that it was extremely cold, so something in the back of my
head went: that's okay, they are far up north. Only now do I realise
it's summer now and not that cold at all.
Makes sense to link the lecture to the sick list (and maybe the simultaneous captain's inspection), good thinking!
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Here's the officers of "intrepid" coming up with a new fun exercise
Ian
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I've seen 'Burnt Searchlight', and variations, fairly often.
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Ah yes, you have stumbled onto a ceremony that originated with the
Roman legions stationed at Hadrian's Wall. The ceremony, Quaesitum
Fulgurare, was performed by the soldiers, who would burn all their
light sources, then would sit around, in the dark, listening to the
terrifying noises made by wolfs and Scots, saying to each other, "what
have we done!?" This ceremony was adopted by the Saxons and then
the Normans and thus, passed into the rituals of the Royal Navy.
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Boys will be boys!
"listening to the terrifying noises made by wolfs and Scots, saying to each other, "what have we done!?" "
And after all there was not footie to go to in those days...
Glad to hear the Intrepid is spreading it's wings into the bizarre.
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So funny - it had to be the Intrepid....
Late on the 6th Nov the quartermaster has gone missing (just imagine all those hungry faces gone to get a tin of 'pilchards herrings in' for supper..and Q/M AWOL - oopsie! :-[) - they tramp the ship from end to end and give up til morning...
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44885/ADM%2053-44885-006_1.jpg
- if that Island could talk...
Karijn,
Ian, PeteB9 - I take it she's back at Yukansk? It seems so...but beyond
the mushroom season - still they did have the dried variety on strings!
In the quartermaster's stores - let's not think it. ::) ;D
AND -anyone know what an Officer's Anchor watch is? It suddenly appears on night of 5th Nov
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Anchor watch - A detail of one or more men who keep watch on deck at night when a vessel is at anchor.
Don't know about OFFICER'S Anchor watch ;)
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Thanks randi!
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Normally you'd have an anchor watch if the weather is bad so there
is a nucleus of crew ready to take any emergency action. Might be a
guard posted against any enemy action.
I was sailing in Scotland a
few weeks ago and two nights we had to have at least one crew up all
night in case the anchor dragged.
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Thanks PeteB9 - that's a point.
Hmmm - just closing down so won't
dig the logs back out - but I think the weather was pretty horrid -
even though they are in a harbour.
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That is by far the best one yet. What a story!
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Does this really say 7300 lbs Dog (something??)
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that's what I put down
Pemmican
pem?mi?can also pem?i?can
n.
1.
A food prepared by Native Americans from lean dried strips of meat
pounded into paste, mixed with fat and berries, and pressed into small
cakes.
2. A food made chiefly from beef, dried fruit, and suet, used as emergency rations.
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That's a lot of dogs to make 3 1/2 tons.
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I suspect it is to feed to the sled dogs ???
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:-[ I should have guessed that. USS Bear Icebreaker. ::)
Well done.
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I was pretty startled when I first saw it! ;)
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Yup! FED to the dogs!! ;D
After all
those HMS logs now you have to learn to read 'American English.'
:-[ (It's often pretty bad! Not always related to the 'Mother
Tongue!') ;)
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I know - 2 countries divided by a common tongue.
Plus a lot of sailing ship jargon which will be a challenge for the landlubbers like me.
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I know - 2 countries divided by a common tongue.
Plus a lot of sailing ship jargon which will be a challenge for the landlubbers like me.
:D :D :D
Maybe we should start a 'Jargon' page. I'm sure some of us sailors will help with the words! ;)
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We have the What Does THAT mean? (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=9.0) thread :-\
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We have the What Does THAT mean? (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=9.0) thread :-\
Yup! We'll keep a lookout there!!! ;D
I was thinking about one for the 'differences' in our Language like 'boot' for 'trunk lid'-- 'rubber' for 'eraser' -- etc. ;)
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To say goodbye H.M.S. Tamar fired a Salute of 101 Guns when H.M.S. FAME left Hong Kong with her Mast Head dressed.
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And answered by Fame with 5 depth charges!!!
What a wonderfully noisy departure.
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USRC Manning.
Record of drills. 4th March 1916
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Manning/Manning_1916a/B1462_0013.jpg
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M 23 August 2 1919
Now THAT might get their attention!!!!!!!! :o
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:o :o
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4pm - mid.
Interesting wording.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Manning/Manning_1916a/B1462_0043.jpg
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Seems to tie into last sentence in 8 to Merid?
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More about our wonderful language :P
She had a tear in her eye and a tear in her dress!! ;D ;D
PART ONE:
http://www.future-perfect.co.uk/grammartips/anecdotes.asp
Anecdotes for word-lovers
**********
PART TWO:
http://www.future-perfect.co.uk/grammartips/spell-checker.asp
Don't rely on your spell-checker!
**********
PART THREE:
http://www.future-perfect.co.uk/grammartips/grammar-tip-punctuation.asp
Fun with punctuation
See also:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4583594.stm
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(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_3838.gif) (http://www.desismileys.com/)
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USRC Manning.
So far we have passed 'Naked Island' and 'Eyeopener'. (Alaska)
Is there a theme developing here? ;D
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Lets just say, American's exploring the wilderness frontier have a
very earthy sense of humor in the names they give new places. ;D
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4pm - mid.
Interesting wording.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Manning/Manning_1916a/B1462_0043.jpg
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Mr Fehmy was given the 'Don't come Monday' on return to Puget Sound. 20 April 1916
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More interesting reading from the Manning.
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Bureaucracy Rules! On both sides of the Atlantic, apparently. ;D
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I do not know what type of food they serve on the Manning and their
hygiene routines but to receive 225 lbs of soap and 50 rolls of toilet
paper for immediate use makes me wonder.
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:o
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I seem to remember from my old Boy Scout days that if you don't get
all the soap off of the dishes you NEED the TP pretty immediately!! ;D
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My father used to tell the tale that a bunch of sailors had
been given the job of scouring the mess tins one Saturday afternoon as
some sort of punishment. They didn't rinse them properly. They
were based in what had been Mullers Orphanage in Bristol and apparently
the orphans didn't need many loos. The results I will leave to your
imagination.
The next morning at Divisions and Divine Service one
of the hymns was "Through the night of doubt and sorrow/onward goes the
pilgrim band/..." My father was a good raconteur and if
this hymn was sung in church the rule was 'eyes straight' or the results
could have been embarrassing.
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USRC Manning.
They have tough schools in Atka, Alaska.
3 Boxes of ammunition for Bureau of Education.
For the Teachers or the Students??
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Probably both teachers and students, to hunt for meat. Many
small villages/schools still have no paved roads in to their
location. You purchase non-perishables like flour 2 or 3 times a
year, and create the rest in your own back yard, unless you can pay for
flown-in supplies. Everything from somewhere else would
have come in by boat or dog sled, back then.
In the Aleutians, it
is still true. Attached see 2010 map of all roads around a
village on Unalaska. They do seem to have some wonderful harbors.
http://www2.census.gov/geo/pvs/tsap2010/aluet/unalaska/TSAPV10NV7695_000.pdf
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?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Rodgers/Rodgers_1881/b001of010_0018_1.jpg
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Now we know what that log keeper was day-dreaming about! ;D
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Thanks Janet.
It's always handy to have an almost local around.
It does look lovely in that area.
My daughter spent a month camping in a camper-van and tent in Alaska, she loved it to bits except the ice which formed inside the tent.
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That heart is so sweet. And in my opinion the arrow is pointing towards the commander's name. The plot thickens...
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Thanks Janet.
It's always handy to have an almost local around.
It does look lovely in that area.
My daughter spent a month camping in a camper-van and tent in Alaska, she loved it to bits except the ice which formed inside the tent.
Actually,
my awareness of how isolated it can get is from a churchly conversation
with my dad - the Lutheran church had taken to creating "home clergy"
up there; have one person in a small settlement come for a short, few
months of schooling and then ordain him/her. To the church and
God, they were true clergy who could administer the sacraments. On
paper, they were rated as having insufficient education to take on any
of the other teaching and administration and councilling duties of a
pastor or priest. But they all lived so far from civilization even
a traveling circuit pastor was physically impossible. And the
church couldn't afford a bush plane to fly clergy everywhere.
This was in the 1980s.
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Here in Australia the small congregations 'out in the bush' sometimes chipped in to get a plane for the 'local' vicar.
His run would encompass an area bigger than some American states.
There is a guy nearby who has the aircraft engine from one of the planes in his car.
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Your talking about another chunk of a continent that is near
empty. Yours is hot more often than not. Alaska's is close
to or above the Arctic Circle. Same problems, I'd think.
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Interesting way to write Tons and Lbs.
Received 56 -365/2240 Tons of coal.
(I do understand what it means.)
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Yes, I saw that too in the Corwin. Then they reported the total pounds of coal in the left margin under "Rec'd"
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This may not qualify as "riviting" but perhaps interesting. One sled
dog was worth 1 bag of flour (50 lbs) and so was 1 sled.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Corwin/Corwin_1881/pics2%20261_1.jpg
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That says something about the value of flour! :)
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Stopped & landed on the ice [Kolinthcin Island] 1st Lieut ~ and
Lieut W. E. Reynolds cox ~ two indians 20 dogs & 3 sledges, 1 skin
boat, and the following articles: 1 barometer, 1 boat compass, 1 lead
& line 1 tent 2 rubber blankets 1 Hatchet - 12 dog sail needles, 15
yds cotton canvas, 1 chart 1 ~ glass 1 oil stove & furniture 5 skin
coats, 2 prs. skin pants 5 prs skin boots 10 lbs Plug Tobacco, 10 lbs
leaf Tobacco 145 lbs. Bread, 10 lbs coffee 50 lbs Potatoes. At the point
where the party landed found three indians with dogs & sledges who
came from the settlement on the islands.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Corwin/Corwin_1881/pics2%20264_1.jpg 8 PM to Mid.
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20lb of baccy? - hopefully to share around a few..but 50lb spuds -
in the frozen north..how did they stop them from freezing? Plenty of
skins I suppose. Spuds - curious choice.
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That would be a problem, Ava, except that it's June 2 and the temperatures are in the 30s F.
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I think that's Kolutchin Island - "Kolyuchin" on Google Maps.
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Steamer Corwin, near the edge of the shore ice, opposite Koliuchin Island 6pm, June 2'nd, 1881!!!
http://books.google.fr/books?id=v5gBcjZkQ5IC&printsec=frontcover&dq=john+muir&hl=en&sa=X&ei=jwQHUMW4Kcag0QX7zeHCDQ&ved=0CFoQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=Koliuchin%20Island&f=false
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That would be a problem, Ava, except that it's June 2 and the temperatures are in the 30s F.
30sF? Brrrr! ;) ;)
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Great find, Randi! I read the log account of the broken rudder it
was hard to understand what was going on without the context. This book
has a whole chapter entitled "The Cruise of the Corwin", by John Muir.
No longer any need to mark a lot of Events from the logs. ;D
John Muir, the founder of the Sierra Club, was a passenger on the
Corwin during this voyage. His objective was to look for evidence of
glaciation in the Arctic and subarctic regions.
The book that includes this chapter was published in 1996. I am going to try to order it!
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Disrated Lawrence Carey 1st class Boy, to mid class Boy for general worthlessness.
It
seems they don't have the category, "low-class Boy". I won't
enter the poor chap in the Database. He has already suffered enough
humiliation. ;D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Corwin/Corwin_1881/pics2%20266_1.jpg
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You could just put his name in...
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Do you think he would ever forgive me even for that. What if someone looked at the page? ;D
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Serves him right!
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With any luck, he learned from that terrible experience and became a worthwhile adult. :)
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My crew (well some of them) seem to suffer from 'loathsome diseases'.
Your lucky yours are just naughty.
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I don't know, Stuart. General worthlessness is pretty low on the
scale. Your crew might at least be able to trim the mainsails, even if
they are loathsome.
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Manning, 15/09/1916
Confined L. Brandt, seaman, in the brig on bread and water for two days, for insolence to a superior officer.
Wow, I did not think they still did that in 1916.
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HMA Carmania, 16 August 1915:
'A.McArthy: confined to cells for refusing No. 10 punishment.'
The
nearest I could find for a 'No. 10 punishment' is 'Stoppage of Leave.
SoL was known as No.10 punishment under NDA 57.', found in a rather
obscure document titled 'ROYAL NAVY TRANCHE 2 REDUNDANCY IMPLEMENTATION ?
SELECTION PROCESS AND BOARDING INSTRUCTIONS'.
I'm at a loss to
understand how a sailor can refuse to have his leave stopped. I
would have thought that having your leave stopped and then going on
leave anyway would have had serious consequences of a mutinous nature!
Can anyone add light to this?
The
relevant page is:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37083/ADM53-37083-011_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37083/ADM53-37083-011_0.jpg)
???
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According to The King's regulations and Admiralty instructions for the government of His Majesty's Naval Service. 1906
(http://books.google.com/books?id=iP9KAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=The+King's+regulations+and+Admiralty+instructions+for+the+government+of+His+Majesty's+Naval+Service.+1906&source=bl&ots=WVzNw8Dyf2&sig=-zn353HIXGs_Z0jW_KIE8LcqTdU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=DHQxULeABcqhyAGPsYHIAg&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=The%20King's%20regulations%20and%20Admiralty%20instructions%20for%20the%20government%20of%20His%20Majesty's%20Naval%20Service.%201906&f=false).
p. 247 there isn't any leave mentioned. (Google Books again.)
Punishment 10b is grog stopped and humiliation at dinnertime, 7 days max.
Punishment
10a also includes extra work in watch below, no smoking, and
humiliation during evening leave time if in harbor, 14 days max.
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As there is no specific provision in KR&AI, it looks like one of those things which (like Topsy) "just grow'd".
According
to this
(http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=JA7QAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA41&lpg=PA41&dq=royal+navy+stoppage+of+leave+punishment&source=bl&ots=z4PetydSrW&sig=Wu3dHDNrUywWrdBY8RN1PIq0XBY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=K3MxUOuPCsuZhQeKuoGoDw&ved=0CFgQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=royal%20navy%20stoppage%20of%20leave%20punishment&f=true)
arbitrary or automatic Stoppage of Leave was discontinued in 1909 but
from Steeleye's discovery it seems that even in 1915 it was "offered" as
an alternative to being "confined to cells".
I wonder if the
imprisonment would be entered on a sailor's record and follow him around
whereas the surrender of leave would be a punishment complete in itself
without further ramification.
It seems a possibility but I have no evidence to support it.
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Anyone familiar with the BBC's "Navy Lark" may find this significant.
While
running an errand for Steeleye, I happened upon a site indicating that
(for a squaddie) Laurie Wyman, the credited writer, knew quite a
lot about the Royal Navy, particularly the activities of CPO Pertwee.
Anyone
unfamiliar with the programme may still find it
(http://www.rafburtonwood.org/THE%20PERFECT%20PARTY%20MEMBER.pdf)
interesting/ amusing/ preposterous.
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Hi Bunts,
About my first memory of radio as a lad in the 50s was
listening to the 'Navy Lark'. I haven't heard it for years, more's
the pitty. The one line I always remember is (I think) from
Number One who, a few seconds after taking over his watch, would always
say to the helmsman: "Left hand down a bit." It became one of
those 'family sayings' that my father was still using with regularity up
until he was decommissioned, so to speak, in 2006.
That aricle you linked to was a great read.
Cheers,
Steeleye
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Anyone familiar with the BBC's "Navy Lark" may find this significant.
While
running an errand for Steeleye, I happened upon a site indicating that
(for a squaddie) Laurie Wyman, the credited writer, knew quite a
lot about the Royal Navy, particularly the activities of CPO Pertwee.
Anyone
unfamiliar with the programme may still find it
(http://www.rafburtonwood.org/THE%20PERFECT%20PARTY%20MEMBER.pdf)
interesting/ amusing/ preposterous.
I
remember the Navy Lark - just. It was very funny. I could probably have
a bash at humming most of the theme tune. Between that and the Goons,
and Hancock's Half Hour, radio 4 was a rib tickler at the time... ;D
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Don't forget 'Beyond our Ken' and 'Round the Horn' (both Kenneth
Horn). Possibly the funniest of the lot, complete with double-,
triple and fourple-entendres.
;D
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Gosh yes! I'd forgotten about those. I was very young when I first
heard them - and wondered why the older listeners laughed when the kids
didn't. Then heard it a few years ago - and got the
entendres! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Don't
forget 'Beyond our Ken' and 'Round the Horn' (both Kenneth Horn).
Possibly the funniest of the lot, complete with double-, triple and
fourple-entendres.
;D
Who runs your errands when I'm not around?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b009twnn
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00bfvkd
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Well -it's interesting, youngsters look for anything and everything
on the net. And most things are now available - as you've found
out for me! But I'm still a bit stuck in the past because my head just
says 'that was then and perhaps you remember it', my head doesn't
automatically leap to 'look it up on the internet'... hhmmm-
interesting! ::) ;D ;D ;D I might try looking up 'Muffin the
Mule' ;) ;)
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I remember Francis the Talking Mule. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_the_Talking_Mule.
Nothing has been forgotten (not always a blessing).
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You've got me there Craig - Somehow I've managed to slip past
Francis the Mule....though I HAVE seen snippets of programmes featuring
Mr Ed. We didn't watch it at home though - we were Phil Silvers
fans. ;D ;D
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You've
got me there Craig - Somehow I've managed to slip past Francis the
Mule....though I HAVE seen snippets of programmes featuring Mr Ed. We
didn't watch it at home though - we were Phil Silvers fans. ;D ;D
'A
horse is a horse, of course, of course. And no one can talk to a horse,
of course. Unless of course, the horse, of course, is the famous
Mr. Ed! ;D ;D
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;D ;D ;D
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Greetings all,
The log of HMS Carmania for 22 September 1915
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37084/ADM%2053-37084-015_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37084/ADM%2053-37084-015_0.jpg)
reports:
'J. McKenzie AB RNR No. knocked against bulkhead of collier by sling of coal bags and sustained capital injuries.'
As
capital punishment is normally rather terminal, I assumed that he had
died. However, there is no mention of his death in the casualty lists at
naval-history.net. I therefore assume that 'capital injuries' is a
euphemism for serious or critical.
Has anyone come across this expression previously?
???
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Extremely serious: a capital blunder.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/capital
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Or possibly a head injury (capita). :-\
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Many of you might not understand but here in the USA many of US find our Capital is a MAJOR BLUNDER!!! ;)
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Or possibly a head injury (capita). :-\
I believe that's most likely: Latin "caput, capitis" - head (amongst other similar things).
Possibly
from a doctor's examination/description. You know how doctors'
prescriptions always begin with a stylised "R" (printed on the form) for
"Recipe" - Latin for "Take" and things like "Quater in die (QID)" -
Four times a day.
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Or possibly a head injury (capita). :-\
I believe that's most likely: Latin "caput, capitis" - head (amongst other similar things).
Possibly
from a doctor's examination/description. You know how doctors'
prescriptions always begin with a stylised "R" (printed on the form) for
"Recipe" - Latin for "Take" and things like "Quater in die (QID)" -
Four times a day.
This
is seriously scary ... I seem to be in the presence of the educated
classes. I had better make sure I does my grammar right.
:-[
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They talk about capital ships too ;)
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=2656.msg39403#msg39403
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I am editing Sandpiper, and it's november 11th 1919.
At 11 o'clock there are a round of blanks shot and the colours are at half mast, the colours are hoisted again at 11:02.
That
is some very early official Remembrance Day two minutes, a year after
the actual thing. Peace has only been official for a couple of months. I
never knew!
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USRC Corwin 25/06/1881
Opps.
At 2.30 pm while getting
underway the native taken on board at St lawrence Bay jumped overboard.
Got boat down and rescued him. Upon stripping him it was found that he
had stabbed himself in the breast before jumping overboard. Evidently an
(?) to commit suicide. Ships surgeon rendered necessary medical
assistance made native as comfortable as possible.
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Yes, he was the son of the local Chukchi chief (at least, the fellow
who had the largest reindeer herd). It seems he was mentally unstable.
Only a few minutes earlier he had told everyone that he was planning to
outdo his father in terms of the number of reindeer he would have. (I
learned this from John Muir's book).
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Dartmouth did an early Armistice Day remembrance as well. Her
log recorded that it was in accordance with Admiralty Instructions.
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Perhaps perplexing rather than riveting - Britomart has just been
testing the buoyancy of the whaler and the skiff - did they just throw
them overboard and see whether they floated? The skiff at least
obviously passed, as they then record painting it ...
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Dartmouth did it too. I suspect that they added known weights and
assessed how much the freeboard decreased. You can then work out
the safe load they can carry. Not easy even in harbour but I can't
think of any other simple way - can any of our sailors help?
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Ah, yes, a much more sophisticated way of doing it! I have to
confess I was just thinking of buoyancy as 'does it float or does it
sink?' But I couldn't think why they would need to test that, as
it must have been pretty obvious any time they tried to use any of the
boats!
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I remember that our sailing club insisted on a bouyancy test for all
boats (sailing dinghys). They had to float full of water with two
people in and the bungs out. I am not suggesting that those in the WW1
navy were as stringent, but if a small boat capsizes or fills up you
dont want it going to the bottom.
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That's a really serious buoyancy test!
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I'm thinking of all the movies I've seen with a capsized boat upside
down in the water acting as a life raft for its previous
inhabitants. Makes sense.
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Perhaps
perplexing rather than riveting - Britomart has just been testing the
buoyancy of the whaler and the skiff - did they just throw them
overboard and see whether they floated? The skiff at least
obviously passed, as they then record painting it ...
Is this the same skiff that sunk in 'Handwriting Help'? Not sure it was a very reliable test!
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;D ;D ;D
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;D ;D ;D
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Perhaps
perplexing rather than riveting - Britomart has just been testing the
buoyancy of the whaler and the skiff - did they just throw them
overboard and see whether they floated? The skiff at least
obviously passed, as they then record painting it ...
Is this the same skiff that sunk in 'Handwriting Help'? Not sure it was a very reliable test!
1st question: Did they detach the evinrude motor during the test? Those old outboards weighed lots.
2nd question: Who dropped what on the skiff that put the hole in the bottom?
;D
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;D ;D ;D
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Sadly Britomart doesn't have the wonderful pages at the beginning of
the log which give you the complement of boats etc, so I don't know
whether this was the skiff or just a skiff! But I bet the men who'd painted it weren't too happy when it went down .... >:(
In
checking on this I've also just discovered that there is a whole week
of days at the beginning of the log which don't seem to have been
transcribed at all - can't imagine what all three transcribers were
thinking of. I'll go back and do them, but I guess the weather
information is lost, unless we do get the chance to go back sometime and
make up for our earlier deficiencies?
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The Mantua had the same thing, Helen. Somebody - Janet, I
think - came up with an explanation of why it had happened. If
only I could remember what it was, or where to find it! However,
it is not the transcribers' fault as they were never actually offered
these pages.
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That's good to know. I thought it was odd that no one had
transcribed anything at all - even though I've been pretty surprised at
the minimalist approach of a lot of Britomart's transcribers. Even
where there were quite clear locations often nothing at all was
recorded - and there was someone who kept recording only the Long and
not the Lat, for some reason!
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The
Mantua had the same thing, Helen. Somebody - Janet, I think -
came up with an explanation of why it had happened. If only I
could remember what it was, or where to find it! However, it is
not the transcribers' fault as they were never actually offered these
pages.
I
don't remember exactly what I said the last time either. I do
remember that those little groups of untouched log pages showed up on
several ships - and some editors apparently never opened them, but they
are left in for readers to read, while others did the event transcribing
right there.
Our best guess is that all ships always start in
the center of some book, so as to avoid handing newbies a blank
cover. In some cases, the computer lost track of the first 12
pages, and never went back to them to offer them to other
transcribers. It is not true of most, so I'm also guessing this
was part of the learning curve the PTB went through in setting the site
up.
And the whole RN fleet has been moved to a more compact (cheaper!) computer storage with a new url: http://old.oldweather.org/.
No additional transcriptions into the database are possible, but the
logs are still accessible to any who want to read them.
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I've had the same thing with Sandpiper!
I just transcribed them all by hand and added them to the log.
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After 14 months of transcribing and editing, I have finally come
across a log keeper who acknowledges the existence of Christmas Day:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37087/ADM53-37087-017_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37087/ADM53-37087-017_1.jpg)
'Christmas Day - Hands at Rest'
No mention of turkey or Christmas pud, and I bet that the stokers were still stoking for most of the day.
:D
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I see "Vitualling by Cunard Co." Perhaps they had Christmas dinner catered ;D
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They've noted that every day for the past 16 months. I suspect
that it was a requirement for Cunard to get paid for the tucker
(lawyers at work?). Somehow, I think that Cunard's victualling did not
extend to 3 courses and choice of wine.
;)
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Here's one I've never seen before - which given how many paint
brushes these ships lose overboard, is quite surprising. At 5.30am
they record 'hands painting ship' and then at 6.30am 'received 6 paint
brushes from shore'
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36269/ADM%2053-36269-015_1.jpg
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Begs the question...what were they using from 5.30 to 6.30?? ::) ;D
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Maybe it took them that hour to slip half a dozen over the side -
though there's nothing actually recorded as lost on that page.
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;D ;D;D
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They've
noted that every day for the past 16 months. I suspect that it
was a requirement for Cunard to get paid for the tucker (lawyers at
work?). Somehow, I think that Cunard's victualling did not extend to 3
courses and choice of wine.
;)
Then
again, maybe it did! The Christmas Day menu on the Alsatian (catered by
the Allan Line) is recorded here:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=890.msg8736#msg8736
Many
of the armed merchant cruisers had much the same crews as they had had
when operating as commercial vessels before the War. Some of them
had been drafted into the Royal Naval Reserve, while others remained
officially in the Merchant Navy, though wages paid by the Royal
Navy. Apparently catering was frequently still carried out by the
company who had originally operated the ship. First time I've seen
this noted in the logs though.
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Monitor M 25: 11 December 1918
Crew has had a Sledge on run provisioning for 'Vodka Stores' for 3 days now. :o
THEN they send 'all available men' to quell a mutiny in the Russian barracks at Smolney.
Maybe they mutinied because the Brits took all the vodka??!! ::)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-50695/ADM%2053-50695-008_1.jpg
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;D
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Manning, 21st April 1916: - trying not to think unsuitable thoughts about this ....
Yard diver working on the bottom plugging the sea valve for bottom blow.
And this one just for the interest of it ...
Received
from headquarters 15 copies of General Order No 30, 12 copies of Method
of Restoring the Apparently Drowned, 10 copies of Rules for Vessels
Guarding the Seal Herds and Sea Otter in Alaskan waters, and 12 copies
of Form 2616, Machinery Log.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Manning/Manning_1916a/B1462_0112.jpg
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terrible thing - bottom blow -I'm very cheered that they attended to it asiduously. :D
I'm not so sure about lives for saving equalling machine logs, and coming in behind general order 30 :o ::) ;D
Thanks for these rib-ticklers!
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Monitor M 25: 11 December 1918
Crew has had a Sledge on run provisioning for 'Vodka Stores' for 3 days now. :o
THEN they send 'all available men' to quell a mutiny in the Russian barracks at Smolney.
Maybe they mutinied because the Brits took all the vodka??!! ::)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-50695/ADM%2053-50695-008_1.jpg
NOW
- on December 23 he FINALLY says ' AT Vodka' in part of the log so I
now assume it's a town, city, barracks near Solombala!!! :o I've
looked but don't see anything but I'll keep looking.
Here I thought that after '...vodka stores...' daily for 2 weeks it was going to be one BIG party for Christmas!!! ::)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-50695/ADM%2053-50695-014_1.jpg
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A puzzling log entry, but the riveting bit is what one might make of it ....
The
entry is from Andes, at Birkenhead, preparing to go to sea for the
first time as an armed merchant cruiser. On 20th May 1915 I found
this entry: 'Discharged 39 firemen under armed escort to
Mauretania'. Well of course I wondered why under armed
escort? Were they reluctant to go? Were they such wild
characters that the locals needed to be protected from them as they
moved from ship to ship?
So I did some research, and found out
more about the Mauretania and her sister ship Lusitania. They were
both built as Cunard liners; Mauretania was launched in 1906,and was at
that time the largest and fastest ship in the world. She held the
record for the fastest transatlantic crossing for 22 years from
1907. At the outbreak of war both Mauretania and Lusitania were
requested for war service (the government had subsidised their building
in return for a promise that they would be available to the navy in case
of war) but they were too big and expensive to run to be used and
didn't serve at that stage. But of course there were fewer transatlantic
passengers, and so Mauretania was laid up in Liverpool, while Lusitania
continued to cross the Atlantic. On 7th May 1915, off the
Southern coast of Ireland, on a voyage from New York to Liverpool, she
met a German u-boat, was hit by a torpedo, and sank in 18 minutes, with
the loss of 1195 lives. Among them were 123 Americans, and this
loss was one factor in bringing America into the war.
Mauretania
was then requisitioned as a troopship, and sent to support the campaign
in Gallipoli - and I think this must be the point at which these firemen
are being sent to her. My speculation is that they were
superstitious enough not to want to serve on a sister ship to one which
had just been sunk, and so had to be escorted there. Mauretania survived
the war, serving as troopship and hospital ship, and then again as
troopship to Canada and the USA.
Or does anyone else have a much more mundane explanation?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33654/ADM53-33654-023_0.jpg
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Wow! I'm agog and bristling with excitement -fantastic theory
Helenj....great investigation. I wonder if we'll ever really know?
:o :o
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Bear log 21 Aug 1884.
Buried between a mention that an AWOL
sailor was released from confinement and a ship coming in to secure at
the docks was this statement.
"The officers of the Relief Squadron visited The President of the United States."
I guess it was just another day at the office for some.
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Very cool way to report a trip to see The President! Ceegars all round I should think ;D
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Morning Joan.
Severe weather warning down here. :(
Snow in Adelaide (some dist away from me), 120mm rain in 6hrs 100km south of me and heading my way. :-\
Good job I mowed the grass today. :)
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WOw! Chilly start to Spring then!! Yep - good that you got the
grass done...and that you are way up on a hill by the sounds of it.
120mm rain in 6hrs 100km south -that's a lot of agua....will it run out
before it gets to you? Or are you the first hill in its way (eek!).
Watch out for some good cloud formations for us. ;) ;D
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Concord.
Wing puffy backing and bunting between N and NNE. (yes Wing)
?
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Have you got the image ref so we can have a peek-ette? ;)
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Have you got the image ref so we can have a peek-ette? ;)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_044_1.jpg
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When?
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Don't know what happened there, will go looking again.
try
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_045_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_045_1.jpg)
Looks like I had the previous page in Ctrl C.
Puffy,
gentle, fresh, stiff, squalls, backing & bunting, that's the most
excitement I have had on the Concord to date. :D
It
also looks like it will be the most fun with this batch of logs as she
does not go further than about 50 miles in nearly 200 pages (about 6
months worth). I was so looking forward to my voyages around the
West Indies :'(
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Is it any use me noting things like crew AWOLs and drunk and
disorderly or am I wasting my time. There are stacks of them, almost
every day and it's getting a bit monotonous. Are the things the
Historians record?
Yes I know they are optional. I can see a
pattern of life developing but if it is not going to be preserved them
it's a waste of time.
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Once these scans and their transcriptions are completed, a couple
years down the road, they will be permanently housed in NARA - the US
National Archives and Records Admin., with public access by everyone
with a computer. And unlike the RN logs, they are guaranteed that
permanent home - NARA is creating the scans for us, and absolutely wants
them back.
So put in whatever you think common Americans researching their own history would like to read.
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No doubt common Americans would love to find out that their common ancestors behaved in a common fashion. ;D
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It definitely tilts the definition of "what is interesting." ;D
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Is
it any use me noting things like crew AWOLs and drunk and disorderly or
am I wasting my time. There are stacks of them, almost every day and
it's getting a bit monotonous. Are the things the Historians record?
No doubt common Americans would love to find out that their common ancestors behaved in a common fashion. ;D
Gives definite explanation to the term 'Ugly American!!' :P
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It is also an interesting difference in leadership strength.
After reading the very terse RN logs, I get the impression that long
before this much ignoring of rules went on, the sailors involved would
have been kicked out or brigged. A lot of AWOLS means a lot of
sailors are not afraid of the consequences.
Having read the depth
of punishment used in the RN over the centuries, I must feel relief
that everyone knows they are safe from them. The way captains come
down with reprimands that are clearly considered ignorable is going
much too far to the other extreme. And it is that total lack of
discipline that shames me. The sailors sound like they are being
college boys discovering parental boundaries are no longer active.
I'm
not worried about "ugly American" for behavior common to most young men
living without baundaries. I'm worried about the wishy-washy
leadership that does not enforce any boundaries. Not at all a
pretty picture.
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I am now even more confused.
No doubt common Americans would love to find out that their common ancestors behaved in a common fashion. ;D
Any of the Historians on line?
Most AWOL punishments seem to be dock pay & extra duties.
Long AWOL is desertion.
Drunk and disorderly gets put in irons.
I think will record it till the Historians tell me otherwise.
Not much else goes on on board the ship worth recording. (still provisioning)
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Gordon is our only historian. You'll have to ask him.
But
one of our American captains got a letter from the Admiralty that he
couldn't disrate a cook for being 2 days awol after publicly in writing
forgiving him and canceling any other discipline. If that's the
consequence of going AWOL in San Francisco, I'd disappear too. :)
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I think I was on that ship.
The Concord does not go anywhere
till at least 6 months (August, end of log scans) looks like it could be
a good time for the publicans and a boring time for the sailors.
Gordons OW name please.
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I think I was on that ship.
The
Concord does not go anywhere till at least 6 months (August, end of log
scans) looks like it could be a good time for the publicans and a
boring time for the sailors.
Gordons OW name please.
NavalHistory - he runs the Naval-History.net site with all our ship descriptions on it.
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"Just another day on the Concord." ???
W.J. Flynn
(ch) was detected in attempting to come on board surreptitiously over
forward spurshore and when being arrested by police of the ship he
forcibly resisted them striking the Orderly sergeant; upon being
searched a bottle of liquor was found upon his person, he was confined
in the cell by order of the Commanding officer to await further
investigation of the case.
The rest of the day makes interesting reading also.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_055_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_055_1.jpg)
Enough of the antics of the crew for a while.
(unless a real whopper comes up) :D
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Whew, trying to deal with that crew in harbour must have been a
nightmare. Someone with a sociology degree could have great fun
comparing the RN and American ships. Are these ships all under
American Naval Discipline or are some of them a civilian branch of the
government?
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The poor Commander is trying to sort them out. here is the punishment list for the day.
8 to Meridian.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_057_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_057_1.jpg)
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Whew,
trying to deal with that crew in harbour must have been a
nightmare. Someone with a sociology degree could have great fun
comparing the RN and American ships. Are these ships all under
American Naval Discipline or are some of them a civilian branch of the
government?
As
I understand it - but clearly, there was much fluidity as long as the
ship was built for the arctic - USS Concord was always Navy.
Everything else was fluid.
- USRCS was always treasury, but borrowed ships and crew freely from the Navy, and was lent to the Navy in war.
- USCG
is very odd - apparently reporting directly to the president, and given
full police powers, but also - not in place of presidential command -
now under Department of Homeland Security but can be lent to the
Navy.
- USC&GS (predecessor to NOAA) was/is supposed to be
entirely civilian, except when lent Navy personnel or lent to the Navy
in war.
I think. If even the gov't knows what it is doing here. ::)
Outside
of wartime, I don't think the Navy has any disciplinary control over
any ship owned by / lent to any of USRCS /USCG/USC&GS/NOAA.
Even when it is their lent officers sailing the ship.
Proof that no one should expect organized efficiency out of any bureaucracy, I think.
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Ah, that may explain some of the difficulties with discipline.
In the Navy you sign on for a defined time (except for conscripts) and
you get end of service benefits if you serve out the period. In
the Merchant Navy you tend to sign on for the voyage (does this apply to
the Phase III ships?) and there are only end of voyage benefits, if
anything, more than basic pay. Officers may have a longer contract
but deckhands are usually hired fairly casually, but may of course be
re-hired at the company's discretion.
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Ah,
that may explain some of the difficulties with discipline. In the
Navy you sign on for a defined time (except for conscripts) and you get
end of service benefits if you serve out the period. In the
Merchant Navy you tend to sign on for the voyage (does this apply to the
Phase III ships?) and there are only end of voyage benefits, if
anything, more than basic pay. Officers may have a longer contract
but deckhands are usually hired fairly casually, but may of course be
re-hired at the company's discretion.
I have absolutely no idea whatsoever. We need a US naval/NOAA/gov't expert for this. :)
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Revenue cutters had civilian crew and commissioned officers. Coast
Survey a mix of civilian and Navy until a commissioned officer corps was
created in 1917 (to prevent forward surveyors from being shot as spies
as I understand it). NOAA is still set up this way.
As for
discipline - there is a big difference between wartime and peacetime
obviously. I think there is probably a difference in what is
reported/tolerated reflected in the way logs are kept. My own experience
doesn't sound so different --- though this starts to be the stuff of
sea stories best told around a small table as in Conrad's "Youth". Let's
just say just say for now there is one interesting story involving the
engine room crew of the HMS A---- in a small South American port....
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Oh my word!! Mixing ships from both sides of the Atlantic, no less. ;D
Thanks, Kevin.
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You can understand why caring fathers kept their daughters at home when the boats came in!!
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There are problems with typhoid in Norfolk, Va, and here's an entry referring to it: (Pioneer, 17th August 1922)
1.40pm
Mr Reading left ship in motorsailer with one half of the crew for the
Marine Hospital Dispensary for first innoculation for typhoid
fever. All of the officers and crew obtained their first
innoculation with the exception of three men, Collins, James, Sea and
Gerran, H.C. Sea. who refused and were notified to put in an application
for discharge and Nelson, A QM 2cl who is to get his innoculation
tomorrow.
The rest of the crew had already received their
innoculations in the morning. They may not have been navy, but
there were obviously some non-negotiables ....
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Just another day on the Concord. 18/04/1891
Morris J.
Flynn (CH) who was found guilty by G.C.M of "absent from station and
duty without leave" "Striking and assaulting another person in the
service while in the execution of the duties of his office" and conduct
to the prejudice of good order and discipline and was sentenced to be
confined in such place as the Secretary of the navy may designate for a
period of six months; to loss all pay that may become due him during
such confinement, excepting two dollars per month for necessary prison
expenses, and a further sum of Twenty (20) dollars to be paid to him at
the expiration of his term of confinement, total loss of pay amounting
to one hundred dollars. The sentence was approved and the prisoner was
sent to the "Vermont" pending his transfer to the prison at Boston.
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More about typhoid on Pioneer, 18th August 1922
2.35pm Doctor
Waller USPH Service came aboard and requested that Benj Edwards Off
Steward, J Wells Sh Ck 2 cl and Victor Boykin, Mess ~ be relieved from
all duty in connection with handling or preparing food pending
investigation as typhoid carriers. These men were instructed to this
effect. 4.05pm Doctor Waller left ship.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7919_1.jpg
And the following day:
8.40am
Drs Smith & Armstrong, USPHS aboard to collect date re typhoid
innoculations. 9.10am Drs Smith & Armstrong USPHS left
ship. 10.25am Dr Armstrong USPHS aboard with specimen cans for
samples of crew feces. Cans delivered to each member of crew. 10.40am Dr
Armstrong left ship.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7920_1.jpg
I'm getting that familiar worried feeling when one of your ships seems to be having real health problems ....
The saga continues, August 20th:
10am
Drs Smith & Dr Armstrong from U.S. Quarantine Service came aboard
to collect specimen cans of crews stools, re typhoid inspection.
10.25am Dr Smith & Dr Armstrong left, having collected specimens
from all except one man, Bross, Fireman
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Following Thetis around on the Bear, and it seems that Thetis has
only gone and got itself jammed in ice. Cue a rather fun attempt to free
her:
"9.30 Came up with Thetis, caught in a light nip, unable to
move. Gave her a 6in Manilla hawser and took from her a 3in steel
hawser; parted both lines, while attempting to moor her astern. At 10.45
moored to ice close astern of Thetis and banked fires. Sent torpedo
apparatus with Ensign Reynolds and four gun cotton torpedoes to assist
in blasting Thetis loose. The Thetis used six gunpowder cartridges and
the attempt failed to loosen the ice."
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Bear/BEAR_001_jpgs/b001of002_0086_1.jpg
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Danny - have you seen:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3096.msg50190#msg50190 and
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3233.msg52597#msg52597?
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The torpedo detonation can be seen on this page:
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/aro/ipy-1/US-LFB-P10.htm Along with
other pictures relating to the Greely Expedition and it's relief. Many
of these are, by the way, photo-guided engravings done for the press in
the days before the half-tone. The original photos can often be found in
the National Archives. Also, some are dated, which would allow them to
be put together with the log page.
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It strikes me that ship editors for Phase III could have a wonderful time putting the logs into a publicly readable form.
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The
torpedo detonation can be seen on this page:
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/aro/ipy-1/US-LFB-P10.htm Along with
other pictures relating to the Greely Expedition and it's relief. Many
of these are, by the way, photo-guided engravings done for the press in
the days before the half-tone. The original photos can often be found in
the National Archives. Also, some are dated, which would allow them to
be put together with the log page.
Nice find.
It is good to see some pictures of my voyage on the Bear and put faces to names mentioned.
Thanks.
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Speaking of names, the crew of the THETIS may have encountered this
fellow: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Melville . An amazing
biography.
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Concord. Excerpt from punishments handed out (inc spellings as is)
Wm.
Emery (C.B.M.) obstructing a petty officer in the performance of his
duty instead of assisting him, while said petty officer was acting
directly under orders from the officer of the deck and so stated, and
using towards said petty officer in the hearing of the officer of the
deck vulgar and indecent language, the whole being scandleous conduct
tending to the distruction of dicipline, reduced to rate of seaman.
I am sure they could have shortened the sentence (wording) somewhat.
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You're just spoiled by the terse abbreviations used by the RN in their teeny narrow column. :P
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Stuart....how are you going to get your weather reports when
everyone's either scarpered, been sacked, or ended up in the brig
?? ;D ;D ;D
It's difficult to imagine less concord than there is on Concord ::) ;) ;D
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Hi Joan.
Your Concord on Concord took a bit of working out, nice one. ;)
It's getting harder by the day to do the log with diminishing crew. :'(
Here is the next installment of "Just another day on the Concord."
By
order of the Commanding officer the following punishments were awarded:
J.M. Caffrey (lds), overleave 48 1/2 hrs, deprivation of liberty on
shore, 4th class; Thomas Thompson (~m), overleave 15 hrs, deprivation of
liberty on shore, 4th class; J.H. McGlove (ch), overleave 11 1/4hrs,
deprivation of liberty on shore, 3rd class; D.F. Ahearn (2ca) overleave
35 3/4 hrs, deprivation of liberty on shore, 4th class; A. Waldmeier
(3ca), overtime 18 hrs, deprivation of liberty on shore, 4th class; A.
Alsen (2cf), overtime 17 1/2 hrs deprivation of liberty on shore 4th
class; J. Weeks (sh cook) overleave 58 hrs, deprivation of liberty on
shore 4th class; L. Kuhn (pm), attempting to deceive by turning dirty
hammock wrong side out and turning in clean one, 12 hrs extra duty.
(I do like the last entry)
If anybody knows what Thompsons rating is please advise me.
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Thanks.
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Maybe QM for quarter master?
with the Q written like a 2 (cursive form) ?
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That is a good suggestion.
I looked at another page and found this.
Now I am confused. how many Q masters would they have on a ship that size?
I will still go with Q but what is the second letter (u?)
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They are totally different functions than Army Quartermasters. And they come in all pay rates, from Chief thru 3/c.
Quartermaster
- Established 1798 (for Frigates); established 1813. Pay grade C
established 1864; pay grades 1c, 2c, and 3c established 1893. And
in the USN, came to include Coxswain for all the boat crews. Which
means maybe several per ship. (That's all assuming I've
understood our reference links. ;D )
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartermaster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartermaster#United_States
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They are following me around.
Pioneer, 24 MAY 1922.
Seaman Pinkston Deserted after 5hrs work.
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If you're going to desert it's best to do it early while the ship's still in port. :D
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;D
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Concord.
Held a sale of deserters effects, amount realized $11.05
With all the desertions they were a mob of cheapskates.
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If the funds were going to the ship instead of the families involved, I'm not surprised. Not a lot of motivation.
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True.
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That's $286 in 2010 dollars. About 200 bottles of Coca-Cola either way.
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Whilst not by any means technically accurate 29 deserters in 5 months gives $10 each average.
Now, if someone knew the average seamans pay at that time..... ;)
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I've just had one of my lot changed from coppersmith to machinist, 1879, salary now $50 per month if that's any help.
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At 10:20 made signal in a&u code "Can we have permission to send
a boat with fishing party this afternoon", Flagship answered "Yes"
What were they doing, fishing in out of bounds areas or what that needed it to be sent in code?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_172_1.jpg
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I don't know - my first instinct was, they needed to know whether
the flag had planned some kind of 'surprise' exercises. These
crews are so much smaller than those on war ships, a seriously large
fishing party - presumably using nets for quantity in feeding the crew,
rather than a sporting party - might make traveling any where difficult.
But then, I'm thinking like a land lubber with no sense at all what is a "fishing area" where you are.
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We have marine conservation or No take zones where fishing is restricted or banned to preserve species.
I am sure you have similar with maybe a different name.
I was intrigued by the fact they had to use code for the signal (unless it was for practice?).
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Perhaps code (like Morse rather than secret) is the easiest way to do it with primitive communications systems :-\
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Perhaps code (like Morse rather than secret) is the easiest way to do it with primitive communications systems :-\
I'm
inclined to believe Randi is correct. At this point in time most of the
ships would use 'flag signals' to communicate. 'Odd' that he
mentions 'code' rather than just saying '...signaled flag to ask......'
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The is a book on the bridge of every ship called 'The International
Code of Signals' where about any message can be sent with a 2 or 3 flag
hoist (or with the morse alphabet or phonetic code if voice). It has no
doubt been updated many times as I recall needing to be able to decipher
the hoist for 'keep well to windward I have had a nuclear accident' on
some exam or other.
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Here it is in PDF:
http://msi.nga.mil/NGAPortal/MSI.portal;jsessionid=SszLMd5fv01Gv6nJzJkkSh2rT9J4lp2M3VnGvVVh6n1pTgzpylHw!251225267!NONE?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=msi_portal_page_62&pubCode=0006
(http://msi.nga.mil/NGAPortal/MSI.portal;jsessionid=SszLMd5fv01Gv6nJzJkkSh2rT9J4lp2M3VnGvVVh6n1pTgzpylHw!251225267!NONE?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=msi_portal_page_62&pubCode=0006)
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Google Books comes through again - I found a 1907 version.
Note that both books are 500 pages give or take a bit, ordered alphabetically by content, not signal flags.
http://books.google.com/books?id=AfwsAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=international+code+of+signals&hl=en&sa=X&ei=U7GuULS_DY389gS0_4CgBQ&ved=0CEUQ6AEwBA
(http://books.google.com/books?id=AfwsAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=international+code+of+signals&hl=en&sa=X&ei=U7GuULS_DY389gS0_4CgBQ&ved=0CEUQ6AEwBA)
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HMS Andes 30th September 1916 - they've just arrived at
Liverpool. I can't quite imagine what he was trying to smuggle as
they've been on northern patrol, and the only place they've stopped is
Busta Voe.
5.30pm: Firemen's Cook placed under sentry's charge (smuggling)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33654/ADM53-33654-315_0.jpg
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I have twice seen the log entry "Hands carry on smoking" onboard HMS
Jupiter; I haven't seen this on any other ship that I've worked on.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45502/ADM%2053-45502-137_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45502/ADM%2053-45502-137_0.jpg)
I
used to work with a man who had been in the Navy (RAN) in the 70s. He
told me that they were required to take salt tablets when they had been
sweating heavily at their work. They were put on report if they
tried to refuse 'medication'.
The times they are a changing!
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This is WWII, but it is probably similar:
http://www.naval-history.net/WW2aaNavalLife-Customs2.htm#6
Even the Sailor's Smoke is Organised
...
A "pipe" breaks in on the activity - Place spitkids, and small wooden
half-tubs are placed in various positions about the upper deck. A
spitkid is a maritime spittoon, and to-day is a reminder of those days
when sailors chewed rather than smoked tobacco, and spat vigorously and
often, days when, as the old saying goes "to spit brown and call a cat a
flat-tailed shemale" was the hall-mark of the seaman. Nowadays the
spitkids are there primarily as receptacles for cigarette ends and pipe
dottles, for "the Bloke" has been known to verge upon an apoplectic
stroke at the sight of a cigarette stub negligently nestling upon his
deck planking. A moment later, and the bugle call all have been awaiting
rings out - Stand easy. All over the ship work that can be dropped is
dropped, out come the pipes and the cigarettes on the upper deck, and
for ten welcome minutes the hands smoke and yarn. Then it's Out Pipes
(Cease fire) on the bugle and Clean out and stowaway spit kids on the
boatswain's pipe, and the work goes on where it left off.
I
remember a very hot humid summer in Pennsylvania in the late 1960's.
People were buying salt tablets. I think it was a bit of a medical fad. I
seem to remember that it didn't last very long and they soon said it
was only for people sweating a lot.
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Interesting stuff Randi; spitkid cleaning-out sounds like an appropriate punishment for defaulters!
When
I started playing basketball in the late '60s I used to take salt
tablets before training or playing during the summer because I was (and
still am) a profuse sweater and it seemed to be the only way of avoiding
bad cramps. Now we are told to drink more (water of course), and
that usually does the trick.
;D
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The best way of getting your gut to absorb water quickly is a
solution of roughly 1 desertspoon of sugar and 1 level teaspoon of salt
to a litre of water. Diarrhoea sachets add in other electrolytes
but that simple mix works, diluted orange squash with added salt works
OK (not lo-cal though). The WHO went through a phase of giving out
double plastic spoons to make up the correct mix for babies with
diarrhoea in the 3rd world.
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It's why Gatorade is called a "sports drink". It has the sugar
and electrolytes and lots of water. I think salt tablets will
never be popular unless you are somewhere without stores for tastier
ways to do that.
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When I was at Uni there was a pub down by the river with the most
enormous salt cellars on every table. The rowers used to go in
after training and drink salted shandy - we girls tended to drink more
salted orange squash but the blokes needed the alcohol to feel macho!
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That works! ;D
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It's a week after the Battle of the Dogger Bank, and HMS Princess
Royal and the Battle Cruiser Squadron receive a visit from a rather
significant VIP, the First Lord of the Admiralty, one Winston Churchill
(although he is not mentioned by name):
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-55960/ADM53-55960-049_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-55960/ADM53-55960-049_0.jpg)
The Admiral Lowry referred to on the page appears to have been the senior officer on the coast of Scotland at the time.
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8)
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I'll second Randi on that one!
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On 27 February, 1915, Winston's visit to HMS Princess Royal was upstaged by a certain George Frederick Ernest Alfred Saxe-Coburg Gotha (yclept King George V):
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8)
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Wow! that's a cool visit! 8) ;D (no-one comes near the
Acacia :-\ but then she's on beach patrol in the Med so she's
hardly a catch)
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George VI actually served on Collingwood during the Battle of
Jutland and went through his training at Dartmouth. Don't forget
that he wasn't expected to become King and wouldn't have done except for
his older brother's desire to wed Wallis Simpson who was unacceptable
to the establishment as a divorcee. He was the last monarch to
take part in a real battle although the Duke of Edinburgh served in WW2
and Prince Andrew in the Falklands.
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USRS Vicksburg November 28th, 1902:
at 10.10am:
"Uniform for Officers attending ball on shore tonight will be evening dress blue and white vest"
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Sounds smart! :-* Fantastic piece of transcribing from that writing Sylvia - awesome! :o ;D
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HMS Devonshire - 9 September 1918
Working a convoy when SS MISSANABIE is torpedoed by U boat at 12:30pm. MISSANABIE sinks at 12:38 and convoy goes back to course.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-39759/ADM%2053-39759-203_1.jpg
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And look at the weather and the swell - apparently only 45 lives
were lost - which looks to be astonishing given the situation and the
size of her. :-\
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They sure picked the wrong time to cease zig-zagging :(
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HMS Devonshire 11 November 1918:
11:00am: Armistice Signed - Cheered ship.
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That's the only one I've seen yet where any mention was made. Shame
is - how would the u boats know until they popped up nearer to
home? :-\ ???
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You could not have been sure that the U-boats would know the
Armistice had come into effect and we have seen in the logs that the RN
ships continued with defensive measures such as zigzagging for some time
afterward.
I am curious about the time entered in the
Devonshire's log as she was in Halifax (Canada, I presume!). I
believe the Armistice was actually signed at about 6am GMT to come into
effect at 11am, so perhaps it is just coincidence that they heard the
news at 11am their time?
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Say rather, the captain wouldn't have dared cheer the armistice
until it was official, for fear of bad luck getting it broken.
This was not a peace treaty, just a cease fire which is much more
fragile.
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Armistice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armistice_with_Germany) was
signed at 5:00am to become effective at 11:00am PARIS time.
Paris
looks like GMT/UTC +1 and Halifax where Devonshire was would be GMT -
5. Possibly the Captain 'held' to the '11th hour of the 11th day of the
11th month' idea and announced to to the crew at that time.
Only one line in the log and no other or further mention made.
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Kevin found some "riveting" stories, he thought we would like:
Arctic Steamer "Jeannette" - Beset in the ice 1879
At
4.30 the ice in the lead to Southward of the ship commenced a movement
to the WNW (true) - Floe subject to very heavy pressure and cracking in
many places...
Arctic Steamer "Jeannette" - Beset in the ice 1879
Between
6 and 8 there was considerable pressure from the ice ahead of the ship
and on the port side. The ice was piled up close to the ship which was
slightly raised by the pressure and heeled to the starboard.
Revenue Cutter "Corwin" - Herald Island 1881
At
2.30 Exploring party returned on board, having made a thorough
examination of the Island and found no evidence to indicate that the
place had been visited by the crews of the Exploring Steamer "Jeannette"
or the whalers "Mt. Wallaston" and "Vigilant".
Revenue Cutter "Corwin" - near Wrangell Island 1881
At
1.45 ice becoming so closely packed that we were unable to proceed
nearer to the land. The weather being thick with indications of an
easterly gale, and deeming our position anything but a secure one, there
being twenty miles of heavy ice to windward of us, put the vessel
about...towards clear water.
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Kevin found some more "riveting" stories, he thought we would like:
Revenue Cutter "Rush" - Coal Harbor 1890
Boat
returned from shore bringing Clark indicted for murder of George
Hemingway at Unga, for transportation to Sitka for trial. Brought on
board also John Gardiner and Charles Baker witnesses of murder.
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Sounds like Kevin found these in the logs we transcribed. They look familiar.
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Exactly. :)
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Perhaps more interesting than riveting - but still ...
Minerva
is on her way from Gibraltar to Malta with a convoy. At 12.30pm
'Owing to a shortage of forage California parted company and proceeded
for Malta at full speed'. I'm assuming this means they had some
kind of livestock on board - or perhaps cavalry horses? - but there's
been no mention of them before.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49449/ADM%2053-49449-051_0.jpg
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Seeking riveting log entries from OW-3. Notes of personal interest,
the doings of famous personages, dramatic rescues at sea, tempests (in
or out of teapots). For entertainment and potential use in voice-over,
on OW web pages, tattoos.
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Dear Kevin,
This is not earth shatteringly amazing - but I
thought it summed up the science aspect of what our sailor friends are
doing, when they are not hauling mammoth yardages of sail cloth up and
down the timbers.
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Thursday 9th October 1884, Rio de Janeiro Harbor: C. & G.S. work on "Deep Sea Soundings" presented to the Emperor.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4852_1.jpg
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I popped a note and picture into Patterson Discussion thread:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg62069;topicseen#msg62069
A
savant in his own right, the Emperor established a reputation as a
vigorous sponsor of learning, culture and the sciences. He won the
respect and admiration of scholars such as Charles Darwin, Victor Hugo
and Friedrich Nietzsche, and was a friend to Richard Wagner, Louis
Pasteur and Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, among others.
Hope this is useful!
Joan
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Was he making a political point, or could he just not count?
3.30pm: Lt. James Balcome gunner, when ordered to salute the Turkish flag, fired only 19 guns thus necessitating another salute
5.30pm: Saluted Turkish flag 21 guns
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Was he making a political point, or could he just not count?
3.30pm: Lt. James Balcome gunner, when ordered to salute the Turkish flag, fired only 19 guns thus necessitating another salute
5.30pm: Saluted Turkish flag 21 guns
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49449/ADM%2053-49449-061_0.jpg
Perhaps he just had a little foresight. We would be at war with them in less than a month!!
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Maybe the 19 gun salute caused the war? %^)
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Concord 30 Sept 1894.
Chemulpho, Korea (spelt Corea in the logs)
Seems we have sailed into someones war zone. The First Sino-Japanese War (1 August 1894 ? 17 April 1895)
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and for a few days after.
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Discord
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Good Evening Randi.
Not a BIG war granted, but I think a bit bigger than a Discord or Fracas.
Almost 11 Months long and
Casualties and losses (wiki)
Qing
Empire
Empire of Japan
35,000 dead or wounded 1,132 dead,
3,758 wounded
285 died
of wounds
11,894 died of disease
(And they did have another go at each other some years later.)
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The Rodgers with an interesting fact for magnetic scientists.
'8 September 1881
Master
Putnam ashore determining magnetic deviation. 11.00pm: Very brilliant
display of Northern light covering the Eastern heavens. The effect of it
could be noticed on the declinometer.'
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Rodgers/Rodgers_1881/b001of010_0106_1.jpg
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The Rodgers with an interesting fact for magnetic scientists.
'8 September 1881
Master
Putnam ashore determining magnetic deviation. 11.00pm: Very brilliant
display of Northern light covering the Eastern heavens. The effect of it
could be noticed on the declinometer.'
Do
you have a page link, Joan? I'd like to copy this post into Old
Space Weather: sightings of aurorae and sunspots
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3670.15) for the Storm
Watch Zoo folk.
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Inflation hits the navy, or the crew are a worthless lot?
What used to be a $10 reward for return of crew has gone down to $9.90.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_099_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_099_1.jpg)
(4-8PM)
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just popped that in Janet - thanks for putting it in the special
thread - I was going to get around to that but got side-tracked by
discovering what 'trying out' means on a whaler. I'm putting off dinner
for a bit.....
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(http://www.smileyvault.com/)
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Inflation hits the navy, or the crew are a worthless lot?
What used to be a $10 reward for return of crew has gone down to $9.90.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_099_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_099_1.jpg)
(4-8PM)
This
made me chuckle Stuart....deflation is a very dangerous thing - your
economy could be under stress...best get some independent financial
advice. But - yes - it's probably a reflection of the value of your
crew. :-\ ;) ;D
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The Rodgers with an interesting fact for magnetic scientists.
'8 September 1881
Master
Putnam ashore determining magnetic deviation. 11.00pm: Very brilliant
display of Northern light covering the Eastern heavens. The effect of it
could be noticed on the declinometer.'
Do
you have a page link, Joan? I'd like to copy this post into Old
Space Weather: sightings of aurorae and sunspots
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3670.15) for the Storm
Watch Zoo folk.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Rodgers/Rodgers_1881/b001of010_0106_1.jpg
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Thanks. :)
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Do we even want to GUESS why they were scraping the Officers Bathroom at 8:15am??!! ::)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34099/0133_1.jpg
BTW - It's not the first time. :o
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Probably prep for painting wood or steel, along with chipping the
latter. Nowadays we use a pnumatic needle-gun or a knuckle-buster (two
of the most infernal devices yet to be inflicted upon the common
sailor).
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I knew it was such. It must have 'lost' something in the transcription :P
It just struck me as funny at the time and I thought I'd share.
As Joe friday says stick to 'facts, ma'am, just the facts.' :-\
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27 March 1916 - HMS ARK ROYAL
1:00pm: I had occasion to warn Mr. Edward H Williams Warrant Engineer Royal Navy Reserve
for
speaking in a disrespectful manner to his Senior Officer Mr. John C.
Taylor Chief Gunner
Royal Navy (retired) at about Noon on Sat. 25th March 1916. ? Commander G.A.C. Morrison
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34099/0195_1.jpg :(
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This is the third entry like this in the last few weeks.
Whats with the detention bit?
Beale
George O Seaman / CP Received from
the USS Mohican 17 Aug 1894. Enlistment expired 16 Aug 1895, his
detention for the present being essential to the public interests, by
order of the Comdg officer, one fourth of his rate of pay of yesterday
was added to his rate of pay, beginning August 17th 1895, according to
the provision of the Section 1592 of the Revised Statutes of the United
States.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol019of040/vol019of040_213_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol019of040/vol019of040_213_1.jpg)
Janet made a guess at the reason to stay on board may have been the pay but this says he was detained.
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Your guess is as good as mine. Don't know what is going on.
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Wonder what Kevin thinks?
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Kevin's sound asleep in the arctic right now.
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This time next week I will be sound asleep (I hope) at the other end of the planet.
Enjoy the quiet when I have no internet connection worth using. %^)
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Concord 25 Aug 1895.
At 7:45 Monocacy wigwaged to this ship, can give you any amount of sugar how much would you like.
(They ended up taking 914lbs.)
"wow", that's a riveting entry if ever I read one. NOT.
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What on earth is 'wigwaging'? I've never come across that
before (I agree that the content of the entry isn't riveting). But
I love that word!
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Wig?wag`
v.
i. 1. (Naut.) To signal by means of a
flag waved from side to side according to a code adopted for the
purpose.
v. t. & i. 1. To move to and fro, to wag.
[imp. & p. p. Wigwagged ; p. pr. & vb. n. Wigwagging .]
n. 1. Act
or art of wigwagging; a message wigwagged; - chiefly attributive; as,
the wigwag code.
http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition/wigwag
The cruiser came leaping toward the fleet, her signal flags fluttering
messages. A gun boomed on the flagship. Bugles shrilled from every deck
of the _Kennebunk_.
Messages were wigwagged from ship to ship. But aboard the _Kennebunk_
there was just one order that interested every one.
"Clear decks for action!"
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/17967/17967-8.txt
I
remember one time, we signed a contract for the first time for in/out
service for our Cuddy. We were transporting the boat to the marina, some
2 hours away, and the speedometer quit working; the oil temp started
wig-waging, the check engine light started blinking, and all strange
kind of stuff. I shut the engine off, turned it back on, and everything
worked OK for maybe 5 minutes, then started acting goofy again.
http://www.boatingabc.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/439553/all/What_was_your_favorite_vehicle.html
:-\
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Well, that's today's new bit of information, and a wonderful addition to my vocabulary. It sounds rather fun!
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I wondered about that too. Very interesting.
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ARK ROYAL 16 April 1916
Not exactly a 'log entry' but HMS
Russell is mentioned. In attempting to find a link to her for other's
further research, I found the following:
[Russell was steaming
off Malta early on the morning of 27 April 1916 when she struck two
mines that had been laid by the German submarine U-73. A fire broke out
in the after part of the ship and the order to abandon ship was passed;
after an explosion near the after 12-inch (305-mm) turret, she took on a
dangerous list. However, she sank slowly, allowing most of her crew to
escape. A total of 27 officers and 98 ratings were lost.[16] John H. D.
Cunningham served aboard her at the time and survived her sinking; he
would one day become First Sea Lord.]
This would have occurred 11 days later! :-[
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Wonder what Kevin thinks?
I
have not seen this except in time of war or national emergency. Now we
call it a stop-loss order wherein sailors (and soldiers) may be
compelled to serve beyond enlistment.
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Concord 3 Sept 1895.
Painter mixing paint.
Believe me that is an exciting entry at the moment.
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Better than watching it dry ::)
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I doubt it would dry with your current weather pattern.
%^)
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Concord 3 Sept 1895.
Painter mixing paint.
Believe me that is an exciting entry at the moment.
Sept 6
Painter mixing Shellac.
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That's starting to get more interesting, Stuart - Shellac can be a lot of fun.
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Does that constitute a promotion?
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Depends on where you are applying said shellac. If inside and not well ventilated you could get VERY high! ::)
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"Painter varnishing woodwork on back of poop"
My day gets better with anticipation of tomorrows episode.
;)
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Now that's what I call a shitty job!
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To change the subject, I just spent a delightful 90 minutes watching
Dickens' a Christmas Carol in Concert with orchestra, choir and
soloists taped live on PBS here in Chicago. Much better, in my
humble opinion, than most musical or dramatic versions because the
narration and dialogue was a true reading of the novella with background
music and original songs added in. A concert presentation - the
singers had costumes to show when they were covering a different
character, but no other staging at all.
http://video.pbs.org/video/2365139211/
You have to sign in, can choose to have them look at your Facebook, etc, but I'm hoping it will cross the Atlantic.
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Ark Royal
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34100/0149_1.jpg
5:00pm: 'Hands to bathe'
This
has been going on about a week now. I guess the ship must have finally
gotten a bit 'rank' as this is the first mention of bathing the crew and
I've been 'aboard' for 2+ years!! ::)
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Get the impression that it may have something to do with
location. One of my ships who went to South America only seemed to
bathe when they were in near tropical waters - Glasgow hasn't bathed
for over a year but she's down south at the moment.
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I thought I remembered it coming up before and explained by one of
our naval sailors. They log bathing only when it briefly stops the
ship cold in the water.
I
understand Torch's bathing parties - I don't know how you would do that
on a crowded destroyer unless it was planned and space made. But
they stop the ship cold when the crew bathes, and it takes only 10 mins,
sometimes 15 at most.
How do 106 crew members manage to bathe simutaneously that fast? :P
Unless
a canvas bath is rigged on the upper deck for bathing while the ship is
underway as in "Juno", most of the time the ship stops in the water and
the crew jump over the side and into the water! They swim/paddle about
for 5 - 10 minutes then climb up back the side using scrambling nets. On
larger ships (battleships, aircraft carriers etc, jumping in from the
upper deck is banned as it is usually rather a long way down (50ft +),
but some foolhardy souls still managed it. ;)
If sharks are
thought to be about, sentries are posted with loaded rifles. This is
not to kill the shark (Jolly Jack is usually a very poor shot), but to
warn the swimmers that they really need to be back onboard! Normally,
prior to "hands to bathe", the ship is banned from throwing any rubbish
over the side for a few hours so that there is nothing to attract
'Nobbies' (Nobby Clark - Shark). Given concerns about the environment, I
would doubt anything is intentionally discharged over the side any
more.
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This is pretty good response time - four minutes to rescue a man
overboard. Based on the surface temperature of 8C at the time, the
guy had 30-60 minutes until unconsciousness
Patterson, May 22, 1916 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2023/IMG_7380_1.jpg)
2:35
Carpenter, while working outside power whaleboat between port launch
davits lost his balance & fell overboard. Life buoy thrown
promptly & engines reversed to full astern on port helm lowered
dingey and sent her to rescue; man in rigging give cox-direction.
Carpenter swam to buoy and held on until picked up by boat. Boat
reached carpenter 3 minutes after alarm. Aboard in four minutes
and turned over to care of surgeon, chilled but unhurt
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Ark Royal
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34100/0149_1.jpg
5:00pm: 'Hands to bathe'
This
has been going on about a week now. I guess the ship must have finally
gotten a bit 'rank' as this is the first mention of bathing the crew and
I've been 'aboard' for 2+ years!! ::)
Get
the impression that it may have something to do with location.
One of my ships who went to South America only seemed to bathe when they
were in near tropical waters - Glasgow hasn't bathed for over a year
but she's down south at the moment.
I
thought I remembered it coming up before and explained by one of our
naval sailors. They log bathing only when it briefly stops the
ship cold in the water.
I
understand Torch's bathing parties - I don't know how you would do that
on a crowded destroyer unless it was planned and space made. But
they stop the ship cold when the crew bathes, and it takes only 10 mins,
sometimes 15 at most.
How do 106 crew members manage to bathe simutaneously that fast? :P
Unless
a canvas bath is rigged on the upper deck for bathing while the ship is
underway as in "Juno", most of the time the ship stops in the water and
the crew jump over the side and into the water! They swim/paddle about
for 5 - 10 minutes then climb up back the side using scrambling nets. On
larger ships (battleships, aircraft carriers etc, jumping in from the
upper deck is banned as it is usually rather a long way down (50ft +),
but some foolhardy souls still managed it. ;)
If sharks are
thought to be about, sentries are posted with loaded rifles. This is
not to kill the shark (Jolly Jack is usually a very poor shot), but to
warn the swimmers that they really need to be back onboard! Normally,
prior to "hands to bathe", the ship is banned from throwing any rubbish
over the side for a few hours so that there is nothing to attract
'Nobbies' (Nobby Clark - Shark). Given concerns about the environment, I
would doubt anything is intentionally discharged over the side any
more.
Sounds likely except she's been anchored in the same spot in Port Mudros Greece for over 6 months! :P
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Ark Royal - Air Service has lost some crew:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34101/0021_1.jpg
11:00am:
Short Seaplane N 1234 having failed to return from flight of Dec 2nd
Officers Flight Sub Lieutenant Gillespie and Observer Sub Lieutenant
Odle posted as missing. :'(
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The site of their crash was apparently located later:
Sunday, 2 December 1917
...
SALONIKA FRONT
RNAS, Ark Royal, seaplane carrier, flying Short Admiralty type tractor biplane, crashed in Greece
GILLESPIE, Leslie H G, Ty/Flight Sub Lieutenant, drowned
ODLE, Harold, Ty/Observer Sub Lieutenant, drowned
GILLESPIE, LESLIE HERBERT GRAY
Rank: Flight Sub-Lieutenant
Date of Death: 02/12/1917
Age: 20
Regiment/Service: Royal Naval Air Service
H.M.S. "Ark Royal"
Grave Reference III. H. 222.
Cemetery EAST MUDROS MILITARY CEMETERY
Additional Information:
Son of T. Atkinson Gillespie and Emily Mary Gillespie, of " Denwood ", Chambers Lane, Willesden Green, London.
ODLE, HAROLD
Rank: Sub-Lieutenant
Trade: Observer
Date of Death: 02/12/1917
Age: 32
Regiment/Service: Royal Naval Air Service
H.M.S. "Ark Royal"
Grave Reference III. H. 222.
Cemetery EAST MUDROS MILITARY CEMETERY
Additional Information:
Son of William and Mary Elizabeth Odle.
Rest in Peace, Leslie Gillespie and Harold Odle.
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Those early aviators took huge risks - very brave men.
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Janet:
Thank you for the data. I was waiting/hoping to see if they showed up later in the logs before searching for graves.
I did find:
20 December 1917
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34101/0030_0.jpg
10:30am: Observer Sub Lieutenant Odle (Failed to
return from flight in Short Seaplane N 1234 on 2nd December) his body
recovered near Cape Murtzephlos.
21 December 1917
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34101/0030_1.jpg
1:30pm: Funeral of late Observer Sub Lieutenant
Odle in East Mudros cemetery with military honours due to rank, in
accordance with war customs.
I will make proper entries of the graves data links in the logs.
May they rest in Peace.
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Ark Royal in action again.
20 January 1918 - Port Mudros, Greece.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34101/0047_0.jpg
10:30pm:
B 1445 from No 2, failed to return (Flight Sub Lieutenant Johnston).
Reported shot down in flames by hostile aircraft while attacking GOEBEN
or BRESLAU
Likely:
JOHNSTON, WILLIAM
Rank: Flight Sub-Lieutenant
Date of Death: 20/01/1918
Age: 24
Regiment/Service: Royal Naval Air Service
Panel Reference 30.
Memorial CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL
Additional Information:
Son of William and Mary J Johnston, of Penralt, Booterstown Avenue, Dublin.
May he rest in Peace.
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Rest in Peace, William Johnston.
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Such a way with words.
2 Mar 1896. "J.B. Patton, who was
condemned by a Medical Board of survey was detached from the ship and
transferred to US Naval Hospital Yokohama by order W.S. Hogg of the
Senior Officer present, Capt Frank Wildes Comdg the USS Boston"
Same as the Beans I guess, but at least they did not throw him overboard. ;D
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'Condemned' is much worse than 'diagnosed' - you'd think he got thrown away. Naval jargon is something else. :P
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Ark Royal 27-28 May 1918
(https://s3.amazonaws.com:443/oldweather/ADM53-34102/0065_1.jpg)
Leading Signalman Higginbottom fell from Wireless telegraphy mast on shore and sent to Greek hospital
(https://s3.amazonaws.com:443/oldweather/ADM53-34102/0066_0.jpg)
Leading
Signalman Frank Higginbottom died in Greek Hospital Age 21 Sustained
accidentally by falling from wireless mast in Syra Dockyard in the
execution of his duty. Last place of abode 118 Bridgewater Road W.alkden
Manchester
HIGGINBOTTOM, F
Rank: Leading Signalman
Service No: J/25290
Date of Death: 28/05/1918
Regiment/Service: Royal Navy H.M.S. "Ark Royal "
Grave Reference II. F. 10.
Cemetery SYRA NEW BRITISH CEMETERY
Rest In Peace Frank Higginbottom
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On a lighter note, this is what I call riveting log entries. :D
H.M.S. Castor
10-07-1919
3.45pm: Received six barrels of beer
6.45pm: Twelve cases of spirits on board
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37292/0119_1.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37292/0119_1.jpg)
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;D Everyone meet up on HMS Castor for a party.
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Is Sailing Under Influence a crime?
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Actually, yes. Same laws as driving while intoxicated- called boating while intoxicated.
http://www.newyorkdwiattorney.net/newyorkbwiboatingwhileintoxicated.html
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In our area the waters are patrolled by the marine divisions of
County Sheriff, Coast Guard, Border Patrol, Coast Guard Auxiliary, and
if you get far enough out the Canadian versions of the same.
I
have a friend who was run over by a drunk 18 years ago. He was just able
to toss his 2 young daughters out of the boat and save them but he took
the hit and subsequently lost both legs below the knee. He continues to
sail and is an inspiration to many of us.
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Get out the seasickness pills.
Concord 8 Apr 1896.
Heaviest roll to leeward during the watch 450 (the limit of the inclinometer)
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Rail to rail! Wouldn't want to do THAT too often! :o
That's one way to wash the decks! ::)
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This isn't so much riveting as intriguing. USS Concord, 12 Feb 1896,
and we've been in Nagasaki for a few days, on the way back home. Half
the crew is on leave, and the poor Lieutenants are having to write in
the logs, instead of one of the crew re-writing everything. So here is
our good Lieutenant W. S. Hogg, coming in to work at 8:00 am. You can
tell by his signature that he is doing the writing here. Meridian to 4,
he's still at it. You can see just before the writing changes that the
Ward Room Officers from HMS Edgar have come over for a visit. Someone
else takes over the writing here, while Lt. Hogg disappears into the
ward room. "Just what do these guys do on these visits?" I have
wondered. (There have been incessant visits to and from the Edgar, the
Swift, the Pamyat Azova, the Kreisser, the Yorktown, Charleton, Olympia
etc etc) You get the idea.
Anyway, there is our Mr. Hogg, off to
hobnob with the Brits. He comes back a while later, to the 4 to 8PM. Now
look at his handwriting! I pointed out to my captain that I think Lt.
Hogg has been in the sauce, and it isn't HP, or Lea and Perrins.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol020of040/vol020of040_173_1.jpg
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Shhh!! Don't tell the top brass, they will be embarrassed
because they are probably doing the same with their counterparts.
(I wonder if there is a contest going on for which nation supplies their
navy with the best grog. ;) )
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This tickled me - Cardiff 9th March 1919 recorded 'Arrived Mastiff.
Sailed Ferret.' I wonder whether these two events were
linked? :D :D
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37065/0040_0.jpg
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Submarine L33, attached to H.M.S. Titania, won the Gunnery Cup.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63243/ADM%2053-63243-186_0.jpg
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From USS Concord, 15 Feb, 1896, in Nagasaki, Japan. Sent an officer
to board the U. S. bark Big Bonanza of San Francisco. Captain A.
Bergman, 167 days from Philadelphia and which arrived at 9:00. I find it
hard to imagine being on a ship for 167 days in order to get to Japan.
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It's considerably longer when you have to choose between going
around South American or going around Africa and Asia. My mind can
convert travel over familiar routes to their slower speed, but I simply
can't picture just how much longer distances have to be added.
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Oct 28, 1886 was a big day in NYC, witnessed by Jamestown...
Many
steam craft in bay of liberty island. At 3-10 USS Despatch came
down the bay, having President Cleveland on board. Manned yards
and fired a salute of 21 guns as she passed. At 3-25 fired a
salute of 21 guns as the President disembarked at Liberty Island.
At 3-40 fire a salvo from starboard broadside. When Bartholdis
statue of liberty enlightening the world was unveiled.
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Oh my word. What a cool event to see logged. Cool. 8)
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8) 8)
Copied to Jamestown 1886 topic ;)
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Wow! 8)
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Best event ever! 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Very cool - here's 100 years later:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/RQ09Gz76HAU President Reagan was there, and
a bunch of navy ships, and the tall ships.
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Ark Royal's just come out of drydock in Greece after repairing an
engine & some bottom damage, having replaced a tail shaft & prop
and then:
3:10pm: In hauling between buoys off dry dock entrance
outer buoy passed along starboard side of ship & touched propeller ?
inspection showed no damage to blade
(https://s3.amazonaws.com:443/oldweather/ADM53-34108/0005_0.jpg)
Oooppsie........ ::)
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What did the officer in charge of the dock say when they came back that quickly? :o
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Following entries:
(https://s3.amazonaws.com:443/oldweather/ADM53-34108/0005_0.jpg)
4:00pm: Towed to berth, anchor used in manoeuvering owing to strength of wind
5:30pm: Moored stern to quay: both anchors down
6:00pm: Moored 5 shackles Port, 3 Starboard & stern to Quay ? Inner harbour near Timber Wharf
So it looks like they just went on their way!
Interesting
too, is the fact that the war ended 11 November but as yet there has
been no mention of it in the logs. I'm aware news traveled slowly in
that time but, Wow!
BTW - she was in drydock due to a major engine problem a couple weeks previously.
I'll
have to continue working the logs to see what happened. The above issue
was 'yesterday' and I haven't had time to continue the edits.
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Interesting
too, is the fact that the war ended 11 November but as yet there has
been no mention of it in the logs. I'm aware news traveled slowly in
that time but, Wow!
Most
RN ships don't mention it for a long time - sometimes even not at all. I
only saw one case where it was mentioned right on November 11th - they
stopped taking WR after that, and there were notes in the remarks about
the crew given the day off and local people dancing in the streets. :D
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8) 8)
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On November 28th, 1934, the Pioneer took in tow a disabled yacht off
Point Vicente, CA (Cross-posted in the Pioneer discussion topic).
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2051%20-%20October-December,%201934/IMG_0806_1.jpg
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Bear 18 Aug 1896.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol073/vol073_121_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol073/vol073_121_1.jpg)
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to Merid. The propeller working in such a way as to lead to the
supposition that something was wrong, rigged shears and raised the
propeller, discovering that one of the blades had been broken in the
heavy ice the day before.
Merid to 4PM. Put new propeller blade on and lowered propeller in place and secured it at 3:45.
That's quick work.
I would like to know the construction of the prop and the method of removal.
any ideas?
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Ships built for working in ice (i.e. sealers like the Bear)
were often equipped with two-bladed propellors with bolt-on blades that
could be routinely hoisted up into the hull. Not sure how it was
attached to the shaft though.
The icebreakers I've worked on
usually carried a full set of spare blades for the propellor. I don't
think we could have possibly changed a blade at sea without a drysuit
equipped dive team (and flat calm), but we had them more to have them on
hand in case we need to repair the 'wheel' (propellor) in some remote
port. They're big: 15-18 ft diameter, and tough to fit in an airplane.
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Thanks Kevin.
I have changed a cylinder liner with 3 pistons in it at sea (30 inch dia) but not a prop.
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On the Concord at Mare Island Navy dockyard as they prepare to decommission the ship;
Some
small blocks and gear were passed into a small boat, from the ship with
the intention of theft, but the attempt failed and the Articles gottin
back by the Corporal of the Guard.
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Ahhh, the thief within. I've seen that in factories, employees trying to skim product to take home and sell.
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And sometimes, they get away with it.
(http://elitedaily.com/news/world/man-steals-over-460000-in-quarters-from-employer-over-course-of-two-years/)
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Comes from having a product small enough to go in your pockets. :(
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After spending over five years (OW time) on the Concord, I
occasionally wondered about the sanity of some of the men onboard.
However, my concerns were unfounded because of this official statement
in the logs:
At 7:20 a draft of men with bags and hammocks left
the ship, they being transferred to the Receiving Ship Independence,
their names all are as per annexed list and with them, with bags and
hammocks to be stationed and quartered on board the Independence, were
the following men, as per list of rational men, annexed
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Ah, but what about the ones who weren't drafted? They could have been all the irrational ones .... ;)
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Albatross 1900. 19 July 1900.
Two interesting entries (well maybe to some)
Set the clocks back to apparent time. ( -- apparent time, whats that?)
Passed through numerous large patches of feathers. (well you are named after a bird)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol036of055/vol036of055_147_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol036of055/vol036of055_147_1.jpg)
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Not sure, but it could be this:
A.T.S.
- Apparent Time at Ship, S.A.T. - Ship's Apparent Time, MTS - ? --
"Ship's time: the local mean time of the meridian where a ship is
located.
"Before 1920, all ships kept local apparent time on the high
seas by setting their clocks at night or at the morning sight so that,
given the ship's speed and direction, it would be 12 o'clock when the
Sun crossed the ship's meridian (12 o'clock = local apparent noon)."
http://www.exactspent.com/time_zone.htm" [lollia paolina]
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Thanks Randi and Lollia.
Looks like your spot on (give or take an hour or two) ;D.
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Thanks Randi and Lollia.
Looks like your spot on (give or take an hour or two) ;D.
Now is that Daylight Savings Time, British Summer Time, Greenwich Mean Time, Universal Coordinated Time, ........ :P
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Albatross, 29 Apr., 1884, Havana, Cuba:
"At 12.45 a magazine on
shore exploded There were two distinct reports, the second from
two to three minutes after the first, this was much the louder of the
two, debris was thrown into the harbor and a dense column of white smoke
arose several thousand feet above the locality. The command-ing officer
went ashore to make inquiries concerning the explosion. At the time of
the second report there was a dense column of white smoke seen over the
city to the westward."
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol009of055/vol009of055_128_1.jpg
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uh, oh....
Jamestown, July 28, 1847, off eastern Delmarva Peninsula:
"At
12.43, while standing on in sight of land, head= =ing per compass S 1/2
W we suddenly shoal= =ed our water from 7 to 3 fathoms, when the
ship struck bringing up in 17 feet water on the extreme outer edge of
Winterquarter shoal. All the steering sails & light sails were
taken in, the larboard anchor got ready for letting go, the boats
hoisted out and the stream anchor taken out on the larboard bow where
having previously sound= =ed and found 7 1/2 fms water it was let
go. In sounding there was found a current of about 3 knots setting
to the Wd. The ship in the meantime forging to the Sd having been
lightened by starting the water and heaving overboard 1200 round and 48
grape shot, 18 cwt Bar and flat Iron, 1 roll of Sheet lead, 6 BBls Tar,
5 Bbls Beef, 4 half Bbls Port, 1 keg Butter 1 Bbl Lime"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_012_0.jpg
Is "slashing the water" correct? What is ~ in "18 ~ wt Bar and Flat Iron"? Thanks for taking a look!
Did
they really ditch all that stuff at once, or one at a time till they
floated free? Seems like a lot to part with unnecessarily.
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Albatross, 29 Apr., 1884, Havana, Cuba:
"At
12.45 a magazine on shore exploded There were two distinct
reports, the second from two to three minutes after the first, this was
much the louder of the two, debris was thrown into the harbor and a
dense column of white smoke arose several thousand feet above the
locality. The command-ing officer went ashore to make inquiries
concerning the explosion. At the time of the second report there was a
dense column of white smoke seen over the city to the westward."
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol009of055/vol009of055_128_1.jpg
http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=LAH18840430.2.9.3
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Cwt - hundred weight
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So glad you found this! My Google search turned up nothing. Sad to learn that apparently many people died.
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Cwt - hundred weight
:)
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Could not find your 'splashing the water' but did find this
Nautical_Lexicon (http://pirates.hegewisch.net/nautical_lexicon.html)
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8)
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Looks like 'starting the water' - which would mean opening the
bungs, letting the water drain into the bilge, and then pumping it
overboard. Unless the barrels were on a deck with scuppers, in which
case it would just run out into the sea.
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It sounds like the reverse rescue operation as when tall trucks get
stuck under a too-low railroad bridge. The driver gets out and
lets air out of tires until he can back out - and then has to find a gas
station to bring them back up to drivable pressure. I'm surprised
they didn't launch their boats with some of the supplies in them -
lighten the ship, move it and then reload it, at least partially.
But then, I don't know boats and am thinking like a landlubber.
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Looks
like 'starting the water' - which would mean opening the bungs, letting
the water drain into the bilge, and then pumping it overboard. Unless
the barrels were on a deck with scuppers, in which case it would just
run out into the sea.
That's exactly what I believe happened.
It
sounds like the reverse rescue operation as when tall trucks get stuck
under a too-low railroad bridge. The driver gets out and lets air
out of tires until he can back out - and then has to find a gas station
to bring them back up to drivable pressure. I'm surprised they
didn't launch their boats with some of the supplies in them - lighten
the ship, move it and then reload it, at least partially. But
then, I don't know boats and am thinking like a landlubber.
I
think if they were taking on water in any great amount (likely if they
hit that hard!) They were trying to lighten ship as fast as possible and
get her off the shoal before she sank and being 'nice' and loading
boats was not considered an option!! :o
INTERESTING - I'm reading some Alan Lewrie by Dewey Lambdin and they just did that in the book. ::)
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'Cwt' and 'starting'. They make so much sense! Thanks for the help, everyone.
I
think if they were taking on water in any great amount (likely if they
hit that hard!) They were trying to lighten ship as fast as possible and
get her off the shoal before she sank and being 'nice' and loading
boats was not considered an option!! :o
Dean,
they certainly seemed desperate to lighten the ship, but there's no
mention of taking on water. They floated off the shoal
within the same watch and continued on their journey. They do go
into drydock in Norfolk the next day or so, though.
Also, that westward current might have limited their options, assuming they were on the eastern side of the shoal.
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At 9.50 came up with and spoke the Brig Isabella of Liverpool from Carthagena _ Desired to be reported _
"Desired to be reported" - Is that for a last known position in case she doesn't arrive at her next port?
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??? I wondered about that entry, too, Randi.
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So that owners and agents can make arrangements concerning ship's
business, and reassure all that the ship is safe up to that point.
Reporting ships spoke at sea was once common practice, but with the
advent of wireless they could send regular reports to port offices on
their own.
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Thanks, Kevin!
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Albatross 1900, 28 Sept 1900.
Stopped for 10 min at 11:30 and lowered dinghy to catch two deer swimming across channel.
(No mention if they made the other side or the plate.)
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Or maybe swimming to a rendezvous with a sleigh??!! ;)
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Dean, that comment just sleighed me. :P
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:P :P
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They don't muck around fumigating the Pioneer.
' Fumigated with Cyanide and Sulphuric Acid '
Didn't get them all though.
'Inspection of ship after fumigation showed a few like cockroaches in oscillator room and CPO mens room.'
A
few week later they are at it again. Must have fuzzed the watch
officers eyes look at his 5PM bara reading 22.99 that is a bit
low. ;)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%207%20-%20October-December,1923/IMG_8401_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%207%20-%20October-December,1923/IMG_8401_0.jpg)
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Perhaps he was feeling lightheaded from the fumes ;D
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Does it really 44.44 for the 4am bara reading.
Must still be some fumes around.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%207%20-%20October-December,1923/IMG_8427_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%207%20-%20October-December,1923/IMG_8427_0.jpg)
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It definitely does! I'm surprised they can still do anything
after that fumigation. Perhaps they need to train up the
cockroaches to do the readings instead? I think I read somewhere
that cockroaches are amazingly indestructible, and could quite likely
end up inheriting the earth if we manage to wipe out most other life
forms - including ourselves.
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...
earliest cockroach-like fossils ("blattopterans" or "roachids") are
from the Carboniferous period 354-295 million years ago. However, these
fossils differ from modern cockroaches in having long external
ovipositors and are the ancestors of mantises, as well as modern
roaches. The first fossils of modern cockroaches with internal
ovipositors appeared in the early Cretaceous [from 140 million to 65 million years ago].
...
Hardiness
Cockroaches
are among the hardiest insects. Some species are capable of remaining
active for a month without food and are able to survive on limited
resources, such as the glue from the back of postage stamps.[22] Some
can go without air for 45 minutes. In one experiment, cockroaches were
able to recover from being submerged underwater for half an hour.[23]
It
is popularly suggested that cockroaches will "inherit the earth" if
humanity destroys itself in a nuclear war. Cockroaches do indeed have a
much higher radiation resistance than vertebrates, with the lethal dose
perhaps six to 15 times that for humans. However, they are not
exceptionally radiation-resistant compared to other insects, such as the
fruit fly.[24]
The cockroach's ability to withstand radiation
better than human beings can be explained through the cell cycle. Cells
are most vulnerable to the effects of radiation when they are dividing. A
cockroach's cells divide only once each time it molts, which is weekly
at most in a juvenile roach. Since not all cockroaches would be molting
at the same time, many would be unaffected by an acute burst of
radiation, but lingering radioactive fallout would still be harmful.[25]
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That's the sort of thing I was thinking of, Randi. Though from
this it looks as though it may be cockroaches and fruit flies which
inherit the earth ....
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A sobering reason to start being better stewards of the earth?
I wonder if roaches could ever develop intelligence? THAT is a
scary thought. ;)
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May 15, 1884, aboard the Albatross.
Not riveting, but a very
cool description of (probably) leaving the Gulf Stream, passing through
coastal waters, and entering the plume of the Chesapeake Bay. On
the previous day, the log noted that the ship had entered the Gulf
Stream near midnight.
"At 9 oclock{am} temperature of the water
fell to 70 degrees wind became lighter, sea smooth, and there was a
noticeable change in color of water to dark green. blue water astern."
..."Temperature of surface water continued to fall until 11.30 when it
was 54 degrees."
"At 3.30 noticed rise of 7 degrees in temperature of surface water..."
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol009of055/vol009of055_145_1.jpg
I'm
only transcribing 2 ships, about 35 years apart, neither in the
Arctic. Both have gone through the entrance of the Chesapeake in
the last couple of days! This page provides a nice set of
Chesapeake Bay light house sightings, too.
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Pioneer, 31st Oct 1926:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2019%20-%20October-December,%201926/IMG_9591_0.jpg
Top sentence: "Received on Board: Nothing."
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Trick or treat?
;D
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A minor 'crisis' on board Ark Royal:
10:00am: 57 pints of rum lost owing to heavy rolling of ship
(https://s3.amazonaws.com:443/oldweather/ADM53-34110/0164_1.jpg)
She's on her way to Sheerness so I think they will survive the 'catastrophe!' ::)
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A good excuse to hit the pubs to make up for the loss. :)
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Maybe the pubs in the Lake District? (see Chat)
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;D ;D ;D ;)
As my good friend says 'I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy!' ;)
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I like that one Dean.
;D
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Concord.
Transferred C. F. Sefbon, Sea to the US Naval Hospital on shore. Stopped distilling at 7:30.
Unfortunate connection?
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;D
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USS Jamestown - December 8, 1847
"punished David Diamond (OS) with 12 lashes with the Cats for Mutinous Conduct"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_079_0.jpg
Not the first time he has been in trouble.
Aug. 27, 1847, confined: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_029_0.jpg
Sep. 10, 1847, punished: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_035_0.jpg
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Albatross, 21st August 1900, had a little incident departing Sitka Harbor:
At
4:45 while running very slowly in the fairway, the ship touched lightly
on spit between spindle on Harbor Rock and Japonski Island. The Captain
and Navigator were on the bridge. The ship was stopped and no damage of
any kind was sustained. The tide was rising. Ship remained on even keel
and soundings showed 13' abreast main mast on stbd side which was the
shortest water. Bilges were inspected and no water found. At 6.08 ship
floated and stood towards Olga Strait.
As an additional bonus, it sounds like there was some trouble getting a certain crewmember back aboard that morning:
J
Blew (OP) was brought aboard drunk 2 1/2 hours overdue. By order of the
Commanding Officer he was placed in double irons for safe keeping.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol036of055/vol036of055_181_1.jpg
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I bet the other officers were REALLY happy that the Captain and Navigator were in charge ;)
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Yes, I suspect that a certain amount of sniggering was had when the names involved were revealed!
Edit:
It seems our drunken friend, Mr. Brew (or a curly D for Drew?), got
into quite a bit of trouble - the next day's log has the following:
Meridian to 4pm.
Johnson J (CP) Drunk and disorderly on shore. Reduced to 4th Class.
Brew,
J (CP). Overstaying leave. Returning on board drunk, boisterous and
disorderly, resisting arrest. To be tried by a SCM (Sea Court Martial?).
A J Hepburn Ensign USN
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol036of055/vol036of055_182_1.jpg
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It looks like a B to me. And, it looks like he will pay dearly for living up to his name ::)
US
Navy: Summary Court-Martial, Special Court-Martial, General
Court-Martial
http://www.military.com/benefits/military-legal-matters/courts-martial-explained.html
I suspect "Summary Court Martial" in this case. A search of the forum turns up several occurrences.
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The main reason I started questioning it was that a drunkard named "Brew" just seemed too good a coincidence to be true!
Another
edit: Whilst we await the conclusion of the Court Martial (now awaiting
action by commanding authority), we managed to find someone having an
even worse day than Mr. Brew:
At
2:45 passed through numberous floating bales of hay, and at 3:00
sighted a steamer one point on stbd bow apparently wrecked and sunk by
the stern. At 3:29 stopped off Horse Shoal where the steamer was
wrecked. Boarded her and found her name Steamer "Dutch" of Vancouver BC
Capt H Kewchamp. She left Vancouver Aug 21 and ran on Horse Shoal at
10:50pm Aug 24. Her captain said no assistance was needed. At 4:00
continuing on course down Stephens Passage.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol036of055/vol036of055_186_1.jpg
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The Brew saga concludes:
23/08
John Brew (CP), a prisoner at large to be tried by a Summary Court Martial, received a copy of the specification at 8:30am.
24/08
Delivered specifications for SCM to John Brew (CP) USN.
25/08
A
SCM of which Lt Rodman is Senior Member met at 9:30 for the trial of J
Brew (CP) and at 11:20 adjourned to await the action of the conning
authority. Finished cleaning ship.
02/09
Mustered all hands
and read finding+sentences in case of J Brew, CP, USN, viz: 30 days in
double irons on bread+water, with full ration every 3rd day + to lose
two months pay.
I
believe the reason that sentencing took a week was the fact that the
commanding officer was too busy marching up and down uncharted streams
with his officers, trying to find salmon!
Link for sentencing: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol037of055/vol037of055_004_1.jpg
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On the damp and misty evening of September 23rd, 1900, Lieut Rodman
of the Albatross managed to get separated from his party whilst ashore
in an sparsely inhabited part of Alaska (...as compared to all the other
bits...) - it was lunchtime the next day before he was found!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol037of055/vol037of055_024_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol037of055/vol037of055_025_1.jpg
Commences and until 9am. Several hunting parties left the ship; Lt Rodman started for Tolstoi Bay.
9am
to midnight. At 8.00 dinghy returned with report from Paymaster that
Lieut Rodman was lost. Put in relief crew as a searching party and sent
dinghy back, with 24 hours provisions.
Commences + until 9am. Waiting news of Lieut Rodman and no word from searching party.
9am
- 4pm. Clear and pleasant. Sent out two search parties for Lt Rodman at
10am and at 1pm Lt Rodman and all hands returned to ship.
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I do like a happy ending! :)
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Yes, it's nice to complete a voyage with the full crew! Must've been
a pretty miserable night for all involved, especially Lt Rodman.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol037of055/vol037of055_063_1.jpg
The Albatross came across a ship in some rather odd distress south of Cape Flattery during some fairly rough weather:
8 to merid.
Sighted a steamer on our strd beam standing to the Sd and a four masted schooner at sail under jib alone.
Merid to 4pm.
Standing
on course S32E until 12.20 when steamed toward the Schooner A J West of
San Francisco, which was flying ensign in mizzen rigging, jack down. On hailing schooner, a board with the word Flour was displayed in answer. Narrowed so as to keep near schooner. Amer. Stmr. Walla Walla came to render assistance. Exchanged signals: A to W- QVS [WHAT IS THE MATTER?], W to A- JVH, HVK [WANT FOOD, CAN YOU ASSIST?], A to W- HVQ [WILL ASSIST]. At 1.10 the Walla Walla sailed away to the Sd.
4
to 8pm. Clear except for passing rain squalls, wind variable in force
from moderate breeze to strong, rough sea. At 4.45 stood down to
Schooner, and communicated verbally "you had better run for Cape
Hattery, course NNW 1/2 W (mag), distance 45 mile, Lat 47-25 N, Long
124-57W, it is too rough to send a boat". The answer was handed down
before comm~ ended.
This
was apparently a newsworthy event
(http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=SFC19001031.2.112#) at the
time, complete with an illustration of event:
THE SAN FRANCISCO CALL, WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 31, 1900
SCHOONER A. J. WEST IN DISTRESS AND ALSO SHORT OF PROVISIONS
She Is Long Overdue From Santa Rosalia at Grays Harbor - and When Last Heard Prom the Albatross Was Standing By.
THE
schooner A. J. West has been having a hard time of it. She is now
fifty-one days out from Santa Rosalia for Grays Harbor, and when spoken
off Destruction Island on October 27, in latitude 47 13 north, she was
in distress. The crew was living on beans and an occasional goonie that
was unwary enough to bite at a red rag attached to a fish hook.
When
spoken it was blowing a southeaster, and the steamer "Walla Walla" and
the Fish Commissioners' steamer Albatross could not send assistance. For
several hours the three vessels lay within speaking distance almost,
the schooner with her ensign union down, the only sail set being a
portion of the foresail, while in the rigging was a big board on which
was painted, "Out of flour; short of provisions."
Captain A. Hall
of the Walla Walla in speaking of the West's predicament yesterday
said: "It was blowing strong from the southeast and there was a very
heavy sea. Early on October 27 the lookout reported a schooner on the
starboard bow with its flag union down. I at once headed for her, and
when within hailing distance found that she was the A. J. West, forty
seven days out from Santa Rosalia for Grays Harbor. She appeared to have
had a hard time of it, and when a big board was put in the rigging I
edged the Walla Walla up in order to read it. On it was painted, 'Out of
flour and short of provisions.'
"It was impossible to lower a
boat and I prepared to stand by. Just about this time the United States
steamer Albatross hove in sight and bore down on us. I signaled the
captain what the matter was and he at once agreed to stand by the A. J.
West and supply her with all necessary provisions as soon as the sea
went down,' so I stood on my course again, having nearly 500 passengers
aboard." The A. J. West Is owned by the Slade Lumber Company and Is to
load a cargo of timber at Grays Harbor for Manila.
SCHOONER A. J.
WEST IN DISTRESS, UNITED STATES FISH COMMISSIONER'S STEAMER ALBATROSS
AND PACIFIC COAST STEAMSHIP COMPANY'S WALLA WALLA STANDING BY TO ASSIST.
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Good work!
Albatross and Danny252 ;D
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A truly riveting log entry. :)
And well researched, Danny.
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A truly riveting log entry. :)
And well researched, Danny.
To my utter surprise, it was actually the first result in Google for the "A J West"!
What's
even stranger about it is that the event took place less than 50 miles
from the schooner's intended destination, Grays Harbor, albeit on the
wrong side of it - one wonders how they got into their predicament to
begin with?
If anyone feels like trying to decipher the codes,
feel free - they don't seem to match the Intl Code of Signals, given
that QVS is "Little" and HVK is "cap" in that...
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Not me, but there is a topic International Signals (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3421.0) ;)
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...which now has some code books linked - codes above are now translated :)
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(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_3266.gif)
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Somewhere on the page for HMS Suffolk on 23 May 1914, a transcriber has managed to come up with:
'Bar fight at lunch'
The
nearest entry that I can see that could be misconstrued in this way is
'Mustered at Quarters' at 4pm .. which means that it was a pretty late
lunch.
Am I missing the lunch-time barney somewhere on this page?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-051_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-051_1.jpg)
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Tuxpan Bar ?
Where the T looks like an L?
Mexico
Arrecife Tuxpan (Approved - N)
Tuxpam Reef (Variant - V)
Bajo de Tuxpan (Variant - V)
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Looks like my mother's Q to me more than an L.
"Masthead/Mustered at Quarters" - the first word is harder for me to
read.
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On the page for Unalga, 27 September 1929, the noon location is given as "Seattle, Alaska", even though the one at the top of the page is correct!
Sounds like someone's head was in the clouds...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Unalga//Volumes/Seagate%20Backup%20Plus%20Drive/Arfon-JPEGS/RG26/UNALGA//b2584/b2584_109_0.jpg
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:o
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On the page for Unalga, 27 September 1929, the noon location is given as "Seattle, Alaska", even though the one at the top of the page is correct!
Sounds like someone's head was in the clouds...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Unalga//Volumes/Seagate%20Backup%20Plus%20Drive/Arfon-JPEGS/RG26/UNALGA//b2584/b2584_109_0.jpg
well - the ship's head was certainly in the clouds ;D
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The crew of the Albatross have tried to annex several parts of British Columbia in the past...
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;D
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On the page for Unalga, 27 September 1929, the noon location is given as "Seattle, Alaska", even though the one at the top of the page is correct!
Sounds like someone's head was in the clouds...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Unalga//Volumes/Seagate%20Backup%20Plus%20Drive/Arfon-JPEGS/RG26/UNALGA//b2584/b2584_109_0.jpg
well - the ship's head was certainly in the clouds ;D
Sorry, but it's a sloppily written Wash. ;)
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The crew of the Albatross have tried to annex several parts of British Columbia in the past...
But why bother with Alaska? It's already US territory by this point!
The
United States purchased Alaska from Russia on March 30, 1867, for 7.2
million dollars. The area went through several administrative changes
before becoming organized as a territory on May 11, 1912. It was
admitted as the 49th state of the U.S. on January 3, 1959.
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Another weird entry from the Pioneer: On this page, M. Harper is listed as having been shipped AND discharged - in one day!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2046%20-%20July-September,%201933/IMG_0256_0.jpg
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Sounds like a completion of all the red tape paperwork. Must have been discouraging to M. Harper tho.
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The place name at the top of this page has got to be the rudest
thing I have ever seen in a log book (3rd and 4th words from the left):
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Commodore%20perry//Volumes/Seagate%20Backup%20Plus%20Drive/Arfon-JPEGS/RG26/COMMODORE%20PERRY//vol190/vol190_149_0.jpg
:-X
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Ummmm...can't even make it out. Perhaps that's just as well :-X :-[ :-\
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OK, here's what it says: Tahoma Run, Port **** Harbor, Alaska
Since I'm not allowed to mention what I think is the fourth word, I shall encode it into binary instead:
0100 1001 0011 1011
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It's just (amongst other things) the diminutive of Richard... ;D
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;D
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I believe it is "Takoma (misspelled) Arm, Port Dick Harbor"
- that's the cove to the immediate east of the harbor entrance.
Tho some place names definitely make me smile, if their shape is
matching. :)
http://www.wildernessimage.com/kfkaypd.htm
(http://www.wildernessimage.com/goreptareamap.gif)
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I guess that not many people here have had Spotted Dick for pudding, then...
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Oh my head ... what a mental image that makes!!! :-X ;D
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On a completely different note... ::)
A little international tension in Alaska...
Inspector
Lembkey on board the McCulloch reports a preconcerted raid on N.E.
Rookery, St Paul's Island by four Japanese sealing schooners, in which 5
Japanese were killed and twelve were taken prisoners, two of whom were
wounded, one seriously, one may recover. The prisoners were transferred
to the McCulloch and brought to Unalaska in charge of Special Agent
Lembkey, where they were turned over to the Deputy U.S. Marshal.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Commodore%20perry//Volumes/Seagate%20Backup%20Plus%20Drive/Arfon-JPEGS/RG26/COMMODORE%20PERRY//vol183/vol183_018_1.jpg
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That sounds like some poaching was nicely stopped. :)
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Exciting times! :o :)
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It's not unusual for logkeepers to mention bright moonlight, but
apparently mine were feeling more poetic than normal one night - or
perhaps they were just having a stargazing session amongst the night
watch?
Cloudy and hazy over horizon; clear overhead and stars shining; heavy dew.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol039of055/vol039of055_039_1.jpg
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I noticed an interesting little snippet in that paper about the Time Ball being dropped.
Branch Hydrographic Office USN Merchants Exchange, San Francisco, California, October 30 1900.
The
time ball on the tower of the new Ferry building was dropped at exactly
noon to-day - i.e. noon of the 130th meridian, or at 8 o'clock p.m.,
Greenwich time.
C.G. Calkins, Lieutenant Commander, U.S.N., In charge
Synchronise watches everyone! :-)
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"The time ball on the tower of the new Ferry building was dropped at exactly noon to-day"
Was somebody being clumsy, you know what these navy personnel are like dropping things overboard?
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;D ;D ;D
Confession - didn't check the next day's report to see if they had to bring the roofers in :D
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Thetis, 11 August 1889
A floating cake of ice struck the
rudder, causing the wheel to revolve which struck the quartermaster, D
Berger, knocking him down. He sustained no serious injury.
Sounds like a Keystone Cops film :D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol009of024/vol009_019_1.jpg
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Concord 16 May 1900
https://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol027of040/vol027of040_147_1.jpg
(https://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol027of040/vol027of040_147_1.jpg)
Love the quaint terminology.
At 6:15 (PM) F signalled "Transfer to Naval Hospital the seven men condemned by medical survey mentioned in your letter.
(They went the next day)
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I remember in one of the Hornblower novels, some kegs of meat
supplied by the shore chandlers were found to be unuseable. In order to
prevent them being palmed off on some other unsuspecting ship, H ordered
the barrels to be branded with 'CONDEMNED' in large letters. I sure
hope the same fate was not meted out to the sailors! :o :D
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I remember that ;D
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I remember that also - made me feel gleeful, then and now. :)
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Perry watchkeepers in harbor able to prevent a possible drowning. 8)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Commodore%20perry//Volumes/Seagate%20Backup%20Plus%20Drive/Arfon-JPEGS/RG26/COMMODORE%20PERRY//vol187/vol187_141_1.jpg
7
30 heard cries of a man in the water beneath the Pacific Coast
Company's wharf. Sent dinghy to rescue A schooner's boat picked him up.
Brought the man, a drunken Indian, on board for medical attention. About
9 30, he having revived, turned him over to private Policeman Kaushtay
Any idea what a private policeman was? Is it a transition stage between the Wild Frontier and National/Federal lawkeeping?
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I don't think so, Juneau was already a city with its own official
law enforcers. And assigned federal law enforcers would probably
all be Marshalls. I'm thinking it was some kind of
private-for-hire security guard.
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Thanks JJ, that sounds reasonable!
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Perry seem to have a non-intuitive system of accounting for their
rations. Recently, they have had around 5 officers and 36 crew onboard.
They are using about 29 rations a day. The total remaining has gone down
steadily, past zero, and they now have -18 (minus 18) rations.
??? :(
Whatever they are doing, the world should know about it. It
would be very useful for expeditions, and possibly saving a starving
planet.
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A very interesting inventory system. :)
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Naval ships have a rather arcane system where the officers pay separately for the wardroom stores. See:
https://books.google.com/books?id=I9dMY47E0jwC&pg=PA96&lpg=PA96&dq=wardroom+accounts&source=bl&ots=RFmR-NEy3w&sig=XI4DlGfmsysaeyua2eDXPBC4Leo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_-zwVPDMIdadygSRv4G4Cg&ved=0CB8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=wardroom%20accounts&f=false
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Oi Vey, Mama Mia. They don't believe in the KISS principle, do they? ::)
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Concord 17 Aug 1900 4-8PM.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol028of040/vol028of040_061_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol028of040/vol028of040_061_1.jpg)
About 5:20 felt a jarring of the ship, probably due to an earthquake, not being otherwise accounted for.
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at
6.20 Halloran (Mar.) fell overboard, cut away the Life Buoy, hauled up
the courses, laid the Main Topsail to the Mast, and lowered the lee
quarter Boat. at 6.30 the Boat returned with the Man.
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I'm so glad the weather and waves let him live and get picked up! :)
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I hope they all went for a restorative cup of tea after that little escapade ;D
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The Denizens of the deep hit back!
Southampton 29 Apr 1923
Lost overboard (bitten off by fish) Rotator and hook for Trident Log Pattern 315c, one in No
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-85372/0033_1.jpg
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I wonder how they knew? Were there piscine tooth marks on the remaining line?
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Fish Stories don't require evidence!
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;D
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Sharks do like them.
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Remind me not to use a patent log to see how far I've swum!
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Jamestown, 25th August 1876, wind direction at 5 pm: "Baffling"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol038of067/vol038of067_171_0.jpg
When in doubt, TWYS...
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Baffling wind
(Naut.) one that frequently shifts from one point to another.
See also: Baffle
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Is there really any difference between that and Varied (or Various, Variable...)?
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Nope - variable, baffling, etc. all means the same
thing. Hard to standardize what can't be pinned down. :)
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I believe we have a dictionary of nautical terms somewhere - perhaps
we could add "Baffling wind" to that, if it isn't already there?
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See http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=843.msg87757#msg87757
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While using URL editing to find out how many logs are left on the Patterson, I found this at the very end of a logbook:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2086/IMG_3204_0.jpg
Totally reminded me of: https://www.youtube.com/embed/gBzJGckMYO4
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He left the "Folks" out tho. :)
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That's funny. 8)
While using URL editing to find out how many logs are left on the Patterson, I found this at the very end of a logbook:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2086/IMG_3204_0.jpg
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;D
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We need a new category - Whimsical Log Entries - although it would probably not have many posts.
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Why not just rename this to "Riveting and Amusing log entries" or something?
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We do have: The Letters, Humor, and Art of Old Weather Logbooks (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4249.0) ;)
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Wowwee! I love that entry - It made me think of looney tunes piggy too :-)
Oh I'm really taken with that entry. :D :D :D
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OOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!! :o
RIMS DALHOUSIE:
(https://s3.amazonaws.com:443/oldweather/ADM53-39394/0009_0.jpg)
11:00am: During Quarterly examination of ship?s bottom hole was made in shell plating under magazine
1:00pm: Watch employed cementing after bilge
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Received in Pay Dept ten thousand dollars in gold
!
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Which raises the question, what are they going shopping for? I don't think they can issue pay in gold. :)
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We're heading for the west Indies in a couple of days...
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bluemuffin78 says she recalls getting $8000 or so on the Yorktown
before sailing towards the Caribbean or South America, so perhaps not a
one off occurrence.
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What are they going to do - buy an Island? :o ;) ;D
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The mention of bluemuffin78's comments reminded me of many
transactions in Hong Kong and China thru the years, when Mexican pesos
were the accepted international currency and everything from bakery to
deserter ransoms were paid in Mexican coins. They may be sending
gold to buy the coin straight from the Mexican treasury.
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That makes sense.
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Yorktown must have received $100,000 by now.
Gold coin, silver coin (Mexican dollars) and Yen have been mentioned.
Sometimes she received large sums to pass on to other US ships.
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It was the same for Concord. Quite often large amounts, sometimes in
gold, Mexican gold coins and, if I recall correctly, Mexican silver
coins. Sometimes rewards for AWOL seaman were made with Mexican dollars.
That was when they were in Asia. No record of what currency was used in
Panama and/or Peru.
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RIMS DALHOUSIE:
OOOOOPPPPPPPPSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-39397/0016_0.jpg
3:00am:
Whilst sealing behind No. 2 Boiler a 1/2? hole was made in the shell
plating alongside first frame abaft No. 5 watertight bulkhead in 4th
plate from deck. Temporarily repaired with plate, rubber washer, &
bolt.
In other words...somebody drilled a hole in the side of the boat!! :o
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So, while sealing they made a hole that they then had to seal? :o
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In other words...somebody drilled a hole in the side of the boat!! :o
It gets hot in the boiler room - perhaps they were letting in a little fresh air?? ;D ;D ;D
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I used to have to stick a cut out 20ltr drum out of the porthole for
my air-conditioning on some of the older ships I was on.
::)
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Maybe it's because they have been in harbour for 10 months but DALHOUSIE has lost two crew in two days overboard!!!
(https://s3.amazonaws.com:443/oldweather/ADM53-39402/0012_1.jpg)
(https://s3.amazonaws.com:443/oldweather/ADM53-39402/0013_0.jpg)
R.I.P.
AG Davis & P James
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Are they DALHOUSIE crew? They seem to belong to other ships?
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Are they DALHOUSIE crew? They seem to belong to other ships?
Dalhousie
is in port at Basrah and has been since the logs started 10 months ago.
She 'gains & loses' basically 10 - 15 crew every day to 'Hospital,
other ships, etc.' She was HMS but is currently RIMS (Royal Indian
Marine Ship). Sort of hard to tell what's going on! ???
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Maybe it's because they have been in harbour for 10 months but DALHOUSIE has lost two crew in two days overboard!!!
(https://s3.amazonaws.com:443/oldweather/ADM53-39402/0012_1.jpg)
(https://s3.amazonaws.com:443/oldweather/ADM53-39402/0013_0.jpg)
R.I.P.
AG Davis & P James
Additional Information:
Bodies recovered and Funeral Service/Burial at Isolation Cemetery held
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-39402/0014_0.jpg
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HORRORS!!!!!!
HMS(RIMS) DALHOUSIE 28 August 1917
(https://s3.amazonaws.com:443/oldweather/ADM53-39404/0016_0.jpg)
On opening cask of rum said to contain 18.3 gallons found 16 pints short. :o
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Uh oh - that won't end well! :o
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Some people around here have been making Christmas puddings...
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And it continues............ :o
(Rum shortage) 21 pints to fill cask said to contain 17.3 gallons.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-39405/0005_0.jpg
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Is this some sort of weird quadrilateral equation?
If: On opening cask of rum said to contain 18.3 gallons found 16 pints short
and: 21 pints to fill cask said to contain 17.3 gallons
how many drunken sailors will be found in the scuppers?
;) ;) ;D
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Of course everybody knows the real question is "What should we do with them after we've found them?" ;)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drunken_Sailor ;D
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And again..........Someone with a long straw??!!! :o
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-39405/0010_0.jpg
(Rum Shortage) 12 pints to fill cask marked 18.3 gallons.
This is getting serious!!!!! :o :o :o
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I think that it is getting a bit beyond 'The Angels Share' as the distillers say.
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Do I see a pattern here???!!! :o
(Rum shortage) - 9 pints to fill cask marked 20 gallons
(https://s3.amazonaws.com:443/oldweather/ADM53-39405/0015_0.jpg)
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I think your lot better invest in some of those Victorian-style
Liver Salts for those who take a tad too much of the strong stuff
;D
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NOW they are hoisting Ensigns to half Mast!! :o
I sincerely hope they mean the FLAG and not the OFFICER!!! ::)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-39407/0011_1.jpg
7:00am: Ensign hoisted half mast
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Maybe related to:
On This Day - 18 November 1917
British patrol boat sunk in Mediterranean by enemy submarine, 9 killed.
?
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That's almost certainly what it was about, although the notion of
hoisting a junior officer to half-mast is pretty entertaining.
Especially if he was found to be the reason why the rum's all gone...
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There would probably be no shortage of rum drinkers to help hoist him!
Um, Dean? A bit of advice...
You are a valued and respected member of the forum, but some people will judge you by the company you keep.
You might want to be a little more careful when you pick your next ship...
;)
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There would probably be no shortage of rum drinkers to help hoist him!
Um, Dean? A bit of advice...
You are a valued and respected member of the forum, but some people will judge you by the company you keep.
You might want to be a little more careful when you pick your next ship...
;)
I
had picked DALHOUISE because there is a Canadian port about 40 km West
of here that I have sailed to. Sounded interesting. It's been VERY time
consuming because they are functioning as a 'Depot Ship' and
add/subtract 10 - 15 crew EVERY morning AND evening!!
I believe you, Janet, Caro, Gordon, or somebody is 'holding' another for me when I finish her.
Nice to know I'm 'valued and respected' SOMEWHERE!!!! ;D
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On a more serious note:
DALHOUSIE 27 November 1917:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-39407/0015_1.jpg
Following
bedding destroyed owing to infection from Cerebro Spinal Meningitis: 2
blankets, 6 towels, 9 pillows, 11 pillow cases, 7 sheets, 4 mattresses, 4
mattress covers.
Bedding destroyed 20/10/17 owing to Cholera infection: 2 blankets.
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Tough times on Dalhousie - what a nightmare combo of diseases :(
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Do I see a pattern here???!!! :o
(Rum shortage) - 9 pints to fill cask marked 20 gallons
(https://s3.amazonaws.com:443/oldweather/ADM53-39405/0015_0.jpg)
A Possible culprit??!!!
(https://s3.amazonaws.com:443/oldweather/ADM53-39408/0003_0.jpg)
Cautioned
Lieutenant Commander John Lea Longstaff Royal Navy for exceeding the
limit of consumption of spirits on the 25th of October. Ordered by
E.M. Palmer Acting Commander Royal Navy
OOOPS, Never mind!!!!
(https://s3.amazonaws.com:443/oldweather/ADM53-39408/0003_1.jpg)
Rum ? 3 pints short in cask said to contain 9 7/8 gallons.
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Well I guess if ALL of them are at it there can be no snitches? ;D
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The Plot thickens........
It may NOT be the ship's Crew!!!!!!!
I 'skipped' reporting several as it was 'more of the same' but this time it looks to be a NEW cask!!!! :o
A 'dishonest' Victualler at the Navy Yard??!! (Wouldn't be the first!!)
12:00mid: Rum 4 pints short in new cask on opening
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-39408/0008_1.jpg
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Aha! Rum-rascal revealed then? ;D
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A potentially bad moment whilst HMS Alert was docked at Abadan on 30
July 1916
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33297/ADM53-33297-018_0.jpg):
3.20pm: Fire in Anglo-Persian Oil Company works
Being
one of the world's largest refineries at the time, it's not exactly the
sort of thing you want to be near when it's on fire!
Presumably the fire wasn't too destructive, given the lack of further mentions in the log.
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I tried to find out more and found this tit-bit from a year or two
before - the British buy the company...and an interesting sketch of what
a ship running completely on oil might look like:
http://www.rte.ie/centuryireland/articles/british-government-buys-anglo-persian-oil-company
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8)
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AHA!!!! Maybe a final answer to the missing Rum!!! ;D
Nope!
Sorry! This happened in Bombay and the missing rum was back in
Basrah! (Unless someone had a looooooooog straw!!!!)
::)
DALHOUSIE - 19 July 1918
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-39415/0011_1.jpg
Royal
Indian Marine Victualling Store Room door found broken into and
following stores missing while the ship was undergoing refit in the Dock
Yard:
belts, leather with buckle complete - ~ in No.
Buttons, brass, plain 24 in No.
Knives, clasp, 12 in No.
Badges, Petty Officer?s 2nd with Crown , red 2 in No.
Signalmen?s & Boys Gross Flags, gold 2 in No.
Stoker?s propellor, gold 2 in No.
Stoker?s propellor, red 3 in No.
Sugar -12 pounds
Tea - 5 pounds
Vinegar - 5 pints.
Rum - 5 1/2 gallons
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AHA!!!! Maybe a final answer to the missing Rum!!! ;D
Nope!
Sorry! This happened in Bombay and the missing rum was back in
Basrah! (Unless someone had a looooooooog straw!!!!)
::)
DALHOUSIE - 19 July 1918
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-39415/0011_1.jpg
Royal
Indian Marine Victualling Store Room door found broken into and
following stores missing while the ship was undergoing refit in the Dock
Yard:
belts, leather with buckle complete - ~ in No.
Buttons, brass, plain 24 in No.
Knives, clasp, 12 in No.
Badges, Petty Officer?s 2nd with Crown , red 2 in No.
Signalmen?s & Boys Gross Flags, gold 2 in No.
Stoker?s propellor, gold 2 in No.
Stoker?s propellor, red 3 in No.
Sugar -12 pounds
Tea - 5 pounds
Vinegar - 5 pints.
Rum - 5 1/2 gallons
Police are searching for a drunken, slightly pickled, sweet tea drinking, stoker, with an eye for bling.
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;D ;D ;D
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;D ;D ;D
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Signalmen's & Boys Gross Flags, gold 2 in No.
Stoker's propellor, gold 2 in No.
Stoker's propellor, red 3 in No.
Given
that it seems improbable that someone wast making off with golden ship
propellors, are those badges/insignia that were worn by those ranks?
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This is for a Third Class Petty Officer Oiler
(http://uniform-reference.net/images/1886_rb_mach3.png)
http://uniform-reference.net/insignia/usn/usn_ratings_1886.html
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Signalmen's & Boys Gross Flags, gold 2 in No.
Stoker's propellor, gold 2 in No.
Stoker's propellor, red 3 in No.
Given
that it seems improbable that someone wast making off with golden ship
propellors, are those badges/insignia that were worn by those ranks?
Yes. It was Badges that were 'misplaced, purloined, fingered, filched......' ::)
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Almost a tragedy - Thetis in San Francisco, April 14, 1892
At
5:20 heard cries of man overboard from the ship BF Packard of
Bath. Lowered the dinghy and picked him up in an exhausted
condition, being unconscious when he was brought on board. Worked
on him for an hour and a half and resuscitated him.
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Now that was a good job well done.
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Definitely!
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Jolly good show! :)
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About missing rum:
TO BLEED (SUCK) THE MONKEY
To extract rum from a barrel by boring a small hole in the barrel or cask.
From: http://www.hmsrichmond.org/dict_b.htm
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How do they think these things up.. a few too many rums I shouldn't wonder ;) ;) ;D
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HMS RALEIGH: A sad end to a fine ship!!!!! :'(
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1510 Sighted Land on Port bow
1524 Altered course 360?. Ran into fog. Commenced sounding
1537 Land ahead & on Port bow. Reduced to 8 knots
1538 Sighted breakers on Starboard bow. Full speed astern. Hard a starboard. Sounded Collision Stations
1539 Grounded
1540 Stopped engines. Ship bumping heavily
1541 Hard a port. Ship's stern swinging to Eastward. Full astern starboard
1543 Stop Starboard Full ahead Port. Engines as requisite to prevent stern swinging on rocks
1549
Finally stopped engines. Position 262? - 4.8 cables from Amour Point
Light. Heading 292?. Hard aground on starboard bilge and bumping heavily
1607 Let go Port anchor. Cutter & crew washed ashore on rocks
1615 Two lines ashore by Coston gun. Commenced abandoning ship by lines & Carley Floats
2000 Ship abandoned
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Carley Floats were primitive liferafts - very basic but easy to deploy and probably rigged so they floated free if the ship sank. [Haywain]
[AND]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carley_float [CHommel]
Coston pistols
Coston Flares / night signals - http://www.civilwarsignals.org/pages/signal/signalpages/flare/coston.html
;)
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I know that feel, Dean. It happened to me while transcribing the
Perry - she also ran aground, and the logs recorded all of it.
Want a hug?
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Carley Floats were primitive liferafts - very basic but easy to deploy and probably rigged so they floated free if the ship sank. [Haywain]
[AND]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carley_float [CHommel]
Coston pistols
Coston Flares / night signals - http://www.civilwarsignals.org/pages/signal/signalpages/flare/coston.html
;)
;D
Listed links for both in the Edit. Figured most readers wouldn't know what they were! ;)
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The Coston gun mentioned was probably a line throwing cannon similar
to the Lyle Cannon. Someone would be needed to receive the line
ashore so a bosuns chair or some such device could be rigged up and
people evacuated this way. Google images have examples.
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The
Coston gun mentioned was probably a line throwing cannon similar to the
Lyle Cannon. Someone would be needed to receive the line ashore
so a bosuns chair or some such device could be rigged up and people
evacuated this way. Google images have examples.
You're right!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyle_gun
http://www.warmuseum.ca/cwm/exhibitions/navy/galery_themes-e.aspx?section=3-A-2&id=4&cluster=&title=
The Coston Supply Company says that there are:
"The
Coston Line-Throwing Gun, mounted on a steel carriage for larger
vessels, and in shoulder- gun type for vessels under 300 tons"
Coston Shoulder Gun:
(http://www.19thcenturyweapons.com/610/long/pix/linethrow.jpg)
Coston line throwing cannon:
(http://image.invaluable.com/housePhotos/Amoskeag/61/306761/H1193-L23284119.jpg)
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HMS Leviathan 5 August 1914
1.40am: Received information by Wireless Telegraphy that Great Britain had declared war against Germany
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-46556/ADM53-46556-017_1.jpg
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That's impressive! Technology power. It must have made a shocking read for the radio receiver :-\
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(http://i.imgur.com/bp25dee.png) (https://books.google.com/books?id=uiPVAAAAMAAJ&q=hill#v=snippet&q=hill&f=false)
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/23695631/content/dc-metro/rg-026/585454/0002/Bear-b355/Bear-b355_0208.JPG
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Unusual name 'Swift Train' but good on him for his Swift rescue effort.
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Ummm- it's the right thing to do - stripping off before diving in -
but 200 yards in water that cold - that's brave alright. 8)
8) 8)
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Perhaps not so riveting for the crew, but to the natives of one of
the coldest, most remote towns in the world in 1941, this was probably
the most amazing thing:
1515 - Commanding Officer aboard, also Scoresbysund natives to see movies.
1740 - Eskimoes and Danes departed having attended one movie.
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/7284546/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/159a/northland/b1736/26-159a-northland-b1736_093.jpg
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I wonder what the movie was...
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Any suggestions for a suitable movie? :-\
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South Pacific?
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;D ;D ;D
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;D ;D ;D ;D
Unfortunately, it was a 1949 Broadway musical and a 1958 and 2001 film :(
Here are some possibilities:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1940_in_film
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1941_in_film
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Oh! Useful lists - thanks Randi.
So 1940:
Top-grossing films (U.S.)
Rank
Title
Studio Gross
6. Northwest Passage MGM $3,150,000
12. The Sea Hawk Warner Bros. $2,000,000
13. Down Argentine Way 20th Century-Fox $2,000,000
14. Road to Singapore Paramount $1,600,00
and 1941:
Rank Title Studio
8. Road to Zanzibar Paramount
10. In the Navy Universal
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Unfortunately, it was a 1949 Broadway musical and a 1958 and 2001 film :(
Fussy Randi. :P
;)
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A rather harshly worded set of coast guard logkeeping instructions includes:
"Item 6: [...] A misspelled word signifies illiteracy"
...only then for "separate" to be misspelled in Item 11... ::)
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/23721526/content/dc-metro/rg-026/587169/0002/Northland-b299/Northland-b299_0003.JPG
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Good find - in more ways than one ;)
I like the comment about
a misspelled name being a sign of laziness as well as stupidity. I
guess they meant people's names and not place names ::)
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From Baylies 1892
https://panoptes-uploads.zooniverse.org/production/subject_location/4e124dd1-696e-4eb1-ac88-fa8aa6d028bf.jpeg
May 2
About
10 AM saw a Bowhead in a hole, Charles Chambers a boat stear and
William Jeffries got on the ice to go strike the whale Chambers took a
tonite (?) bom in his hand and the bom exploded in his had and blowed
his hand off and one finger off from William Jeffries a man ~. did not
see the whale again
May 3
The Capt to work in the 2 men that got hurt (?)
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Sensible whale!
William Jeffries a man ~.
Possibly forward ?
The Capt to work in the 2 men that got hurt (?)
That may be on rather than in ?
Let
me take occasion just here to correct a false impression quite
generally held regarding whaling. Many persons -- I think, most persons
-- have an idea that in modem whaling, harpoons are fired at whales from
the decks of ships. This is true only of 'long-shore whaling. ... But
whaling on the sperm grounds of the tropics and on the right whale and
bowhead grounds of the polar seas is much the same as it has always
been. Boats still go on the backs of whales. Harpoons are thrown by hand
into the great animals as of yore. Whales still run away with the
boats, pulling them with amazing speed through walls of split water.
Whales still crush boats with blows of their mighty flukes and spill
their crews into the sea.
There is just as much danger and just
as much thrill and excitement in the whaling of to-day as there was in
that of a century ago. Neither steamers nor sailing vessels that cruise
for sperm and bowhead and right whales nowadays have deck guns of any
sort, but depend entirely upon the bomb-guns attached to harpoons and
upon shoulder bomb-guns wielded from the whale boats.
In the old
days, after whales had been harpooned, they were stabbed to death with
long, razor-sharp lances. The lance is a thing of the past. The tonite
bomb has taken its place as an instrument of destruction. In the use of
the tonite bomb lies the chief difference between modern whaling and the
whaling of the old school.
The modern harpoon is the same as it
has been since the palmy days of the old South Sea sperm fisheries. But
fastened on its iron shaft between the wooden handle and the spear point
is a brass cylinder an inch in diameter, perhaps, and about a foot
long. This cylinder is a tonite bomb-gun. A short piece of metal
projects from the flat lower end. This is the trigger. When the harpoon
is thrown into the buttery, blubber-wrapped body of the whale, it sinks
in until the whale's skin presses the trigger up into the gun and fires
it with a tiny sound like the explosion of an old-fashioned shotgun cap.
An instant later a tonite bomb explodes with a mufiied roar in the
whale's vitals.
Another
tonite bomb-gun accident - on the Jeanette
(https://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=SFC19101031.2.81) - with a
bit more explanation.
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Following on from that
2 Months after the Incident,
https://panoptes-uploads.zooniverse.org/production/subject_location/9852beed-944b-4772-9b17-65222d101b3a.jpeg
July 1
about
9 am spoke American Man a War Adams and out Capt went on board with
those 2 men that got their hands blowed off up in the ice Charles
Chambers the boat stear was left on board the steamer the other man came
back after seeing the Docktor
https://panoptes-uploads.zooniverse.org/production/subject_location/915fde7d-b449-4ec0-a097-041dd901af10.jpeg
July 13
The
Capt went on board the American Man a War Adams and brought back
Charles Chambers the boat stear that got his hand blow off and we left
on board the Adams the first of this month. The Doctor had to cut his
hand at the wrist.
July 14
after breakfast the Capt
took Charles Chambers the boat stear and William Jeffries
the two men that got their hands blow off on shore and discharged them
Having to wait two months to see a Doctor for something like that sounds terrible.
Also July 12 - Opened up all ~ found some rats
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after
breakfast the Capt took Charles Chambers the boat stear and
William Jeffries the two men that got their hands blow off on shore and
discharged them
Having to wait two months to see a Doctor for something like that sounds terrible.
And on top of that, they seem to have been abandoned far from home.
Some of our Coast Guard ships have transported destitute men home, so hopefully they will be OK.
Also July 12 - Opened up all ~ found some rats
Perhaps arround?
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The Crew of the Barstow (and other ships) had a rather eventful 4th July in 1891
https://panoptes-uploads.zooniverse.org/production/subject_location/6e8cb9bf-4bd0-4967-83d4-d954509cca10.jpeg
The
Bque "James Allen" caught fire in the engine room, took over pump and
went to her assistance. also other vessels done the same Strs "Orca"
& "Narwhal" went alongside and helped and succeeded in putting it
out after a few hours. damaged her some in the fore hole. but not enough
to interfere with he proceeding on her voyage in a few days.
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Thanks!
I remember reading that sailors really fear fire. It
seems somewhat ironic given that they are surrounded by water, but of
course, if they lose their ship, they are in the water.
A few years later the "James Allen" is wrecked is Alaska.
http://alaskaweb.org/maritime/jasallenwreck.html
A WHALER ON FIRE (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn94052989/1891-08-08/ed-1/seq-6/)
It is about 1/3 of the way down the 3'rd column.
It doesn't mention the Barstow :'(
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"We
ran in as close to the beach as was possible, and about 10 o'clock a.m.
two boats were sent in to bring off the men. They were found in a
terrible condition. One man, Gideon, had died June 7, and the
rest were in a starving condition. Mussels were scarce, and the
birds wild, so the men said. They had given up all hope of ever
being rescued, and were completely demoralized. The body of the
man who had died June 7 they had eaten entirely. They had even dug
up the body of one of those who had died two weeks previously, and had
partly consumed it. The trunk lay just outside the barabara, with
arms and leg cut off, and portions of the meat were in the pot outside
the door.
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"We
ran in as close to the beach as was possible, and about 10 o'clock a.m.
two boats were sent in to bring off the men. They were found in a
terrible condition. One man, Gideon, had died June 7, and the
rest were in a starving condition. Mussels were scarce, and the
birds wild, so the men said. They had given up all hope of ever
being rescued, and were completely demoralized. The body of the
man who had died June 7 they had eaten entirely. They had even dug
up the body of one of those who had died two weeks previously, and had
partly consumed it. The trunk lay just outside the barabara, with
arms and leg cut off, and portions of the meat were in the pot outside
the door.
Oh boy - that's truly grim. Which boat and year was this then Joke_Slayer please?
I wonder what the public reaction was to their situation in those days? :-\
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I was quoting from the story of the James Allen posted above
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Oh right! - thanks ever so!
When the Greely expedition
was rescued there were signs of cannibalism having occurred and it went
down very badly with the public until they were told of the
inefficiencies of the deposition of food dumps for the expedition, thus
their starvation and need to survive by using the only meat available.
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https://panoptes-uploads.zooniverse.org/production/subject_location/67a0e3c5-d370-4a12-9ed0-83931af7a1ad.jpeg
Barstow 1891
Oct 8
at
8 A.M. spoke "Str Belvedere" "Whiteside" Master" eight "Bowheads" and
four "Right Whales". Reports that the "Str "Wm Lewis" was wrecked on
"Point Barrow" Oct. 4th in a thick fog. and he had the "Capt" and Crew
on board. we took "boatsteerer" and two of the crew to take down.
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The Wreck of the William Lewis (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83045604/1891-11-10/ed-1/seq-2/)
(2'nd column, about 2/3 of the way down)
Also http://alaskashipwreck.com/shipwrecks-a-z/alaska-shipwrecks-w/
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Pity that the salvers set her on fire - that ship really had no luck built into her timbers :-\ :-[
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Storis, August 22nd 1952:
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/38547954/content/dc-metro/rg-026/559642/2017-01/storis-wmec-38-1952/storis-wmec-38-1952_0333.JPG
0030 [...] Mr Wayne BRUCE from Arctic Research Laboratory reported aboard for transportation to Barrow.
IT'S BATMAN!
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That could be where he invented his shark repellent spray. ;)
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Storis, August 22nd 1952:
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/38547954/content/dc-metro/rg-026/559642/2017-01/storis-wmec-38-1952/storis-wmec-38-1952_0333.JPG
0030 [...] Mr Wayne BRUCE from Arctic Research Laboratory reported aboard for transportation to Barrow.
IT'S BATMAN!
Doesn't he come with some character called The Penguin? ;D ;D ;D
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Sorry to interject but I have always wondered how appropriate the name of this thread is. I found this:
An
insight into ship building in the North Sea/Baltic areas of the early
medieval period was found at Sutton Hoo, England, where a ship was
buried with a chieftain. The ship was 26 metres (85 ft) long and, 4.3
metres (14 ft)[12] wide. Upward from the keel, the hull was made by
overlapping nine planks on either side with rivets fastening the oaken planks together. It could hold upwards of thirty men.
:D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shipbuilding
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;D ;D ;D
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To rivets and penguins both... ;D ;D ;D
I hope, Joan, that you will post that note about Batman on the Penguin Watch talk topic. ;)
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Ah - that's an idea Michael :) We've already digressed into the
realm of frog spawn and therefore tapioca pudding. I don't see that a
bit of eccentric comic book fantasy should be amiss....
Tapioca pudding:
(https://i.imgur.com/h6GIcMz.png)
Frog spawn:
(https://i.imgur.com/hyLsRyI.png)
Penguins (or tapioca or frog spawn)
(https://i.imgur.com/xry2AQW.png)
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:) :) :)
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This seems riveting.
Steamer Bear
1899-07-15
Port Clarence Bay
8PM to Midt.
Lieut.
E.P. Bertholf left the ship for shore at 10:00 with cutters crew to
inspect native tents on spit, and to inquire into state of affairs.
Returned at 12:00 and made following report. Discoverd no liquor but
found several natives drunk, in particular one Jingsio (called by white
men Romeo) and upon being questioned stated he obtained liquor from the
Steam whaler Wm Bayhos. Two days ago there was a general drunk upon
liquor brought by the Diomede natives, who stated they obtained the
liquor from the Steam whaler Jeanette and Karluk. In one tent was found a
native boy Nanosrk, apparently dying of a bullet wound in the head.
Inquiry -developed the following: to-day about the time the Bear
anchored Nubarloo a native from little Diomede was in one of the Port
Clarence tents drunk, quarreling with another native outside. Nubarloo
flourished a revoler and in trying to shoot native outside, shot the
boy. Before Lieut. Bertholf could reach tent at other end of spit, the
latter had dissappeared. The natives saying he had left in his canoe for
St. Micheals.
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919225/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol081/26-159A-bear-vol081_078.jpg
No mention of what happened to the boy.
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Grim.
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Oh I am sooooooo embarrassed!!
:o :o :o The ship that gave the liquor is the whaler William
Baylies. Her 1899 log is up for marking right now on OldWeather
Whaling! Oh the shame! ;) ;) ;)
https://whaling.oldweather.org/#/mark?group_id=592eed56316236000bf80300
Here's the Wm Baylies page for the 14th and 15th July 1899:
https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/zooniverse/old-weather/talk/subjects/9649784
(to read more just increase the number 9649784 by 1 etc)
(https://i.imgur.com/pObixll.png)
No mention of dealing with alcohol. She notes the arrival of Bear though:
Frid 14th [July 1899]
Got under weigh at 2.30 am. & steamed to Port Clarence anchored in 2 fathom.
at 11.am Bear arrived at 1 p.m.
Sat 15th
Left Port Clarence at 7 p.m. steered a course for Cape Prince of Wales.
Looks like the whalers Jeanette and Karluk were also up to no good (apparently) from the Bear's log.
I love these events that link our ships :)
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Thanks AvastMH, really cool.
I love these events that link our ships
Ditto
On
16 July 1899 - Bear meets Thetis at Cape Prince of Wales and they spend
a few days together. Still working on that meeting. ;D
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Working on that meeting? or working off a hangover from that meeting? ::) ::)
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This isn't the Concord we're talking about ;D
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I was hoping no one would remember the Concord. ??? ::)
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;D ;D ;D
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Working on that meeting? or working off a hangover from that meeting? ::) ::)
SSSSHHHHHHHHHH!! ;D ;D ;D
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Steamer Bear
1899-07-22
Artic Ocean
4 to 8AM
At
6:50 AM fog lifted sighted schooner on port quarter heading to S'd At
6:55 Turned and stood for schooner. At 7:10 Increased speed. 7:50 "Hove
to" schooner with blank shot from 3" B.L.R. slowed down to former speed.
At end standing for schooner.
8AM to Merid.
8:20
Stopped and boarded the Schooner General McPherson of Portland, Jens
Nelson master, bound from Kotzebue to Cape Nome with miners. Acting
under authority of Department's letter of (CFS.) the
Commanding Officer directed Lt. Ballinger with one seaman, L. Rossig,
to take charge of schooner and proceed to St. Micheals and deliver her
to the U.S. Marshal. At 9:50 schooner filled away for Bering Straits
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919225/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol081/26-159A-bear-vol081_085.jpg
Anyone familiar with the letter that is referred to? Randi??
The log keeper left a blank, possibly meaning to fill it in later.
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Steamer Bear
1899-07-23
Cape Blossom, Kotezubue Sound
Merid to 8PM
Two
brothers Roger and Al Pickering from Princeton, Ky. were killed between
May 1-4 on portage between Selawik and Krywkuk River by native named
Kokanuk; reports state they first attacked the native; that Roger
Pickering's character was bad and had killed a man named -Martez on the
Nastuk River during the winter. In consequence of the killing no Selawik
natives had come to the coast and Kokamuk could not be found.
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919225/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol081/26-159A-bear-vol081_086.jpg
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http://genealogytrails.com/alaska/northwestarctic/news_01.htm
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https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/24341333/content/dc-metro/rg-026/559642/0001-A1/Eastwind-WAG-279-1955/Eastwind-WAG-279-1955_0399.JPG
(https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/24341333/content/dc-metro/rg-026/559642/0001-A1/Eastwind-WAG-279-1955/Eastwind-WAG-279-1955_0399.JPG)
16-20 hrs, last line.
I do know what it says (harbor) but it could easily be taken as
No ice in burbon.
(Randi - now correct URL )
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;D ;D ;D
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http://genealogytrails.com/alaska/northwestarctic/news_01.htm
Fascinating piece, Randi :)
Survivors includes: H. S. De Long, New York. Any relation to G. W. De Long I wonder?
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https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/24341333/content/dc-metro/rg-026/559642/0001-A1/Eastwind-WAG-279-1955/Eastwind-WAG-279-1955_0399.JPG
(https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/24341333/content/dc-metro/rg-026/559642/0001-A1/Eastwind-WAG-279-1955/Eastwind-WAG-279-1955_0399.JPG)
16-20 hrs, last line.
I do know what it says (harbor) but it could easily be taken as
No ice in burbon.
;D ;D ;D
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This seems riveting.
Steamer Bear
1899-07-15
Port Clarence Bay
8PM to Midt.
Lieut.
E.P. Bertholf left the ship for shore at 10:00 with cutters crew to
inspect native tents on spit, and to inquire into state of affairs.
Returned at 12:00 and made following report. Discoverd no liquor but
found several natives drunk, in particular one Jingsio (called by white
men Romeo) and upon being questioned stated he obtained liquor from the
Steam whaler Wm Bayhos. Two days ago there was a general drunk upon
liquor brought by the Diomede natives, who stated they obtained the
liquor from the Steam whaler Jeanette and Karluk. In one tent was found a
native boy Nanosrk, apparently dying of a bullet wound in the head.
Inquiry -developed the following: to-day about the time the Bear
anchored Nubarloo a native from little Diomede was in one of the Port
Clarence tents drunk, quarreling with another native outside. Nubarloo
flourished a revoler and in trying to shoot native outside, shot the
boy. Before Lieut. Bertholf could reach tent at other end of spit, the
latter had dissappeared. The natives saying he had left in his canoe for
St. Micheals.
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919225/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol081/26-159A-bear-vol081_078.jpg
No mention of what happened to the boy.
Revenue Steamer Bear
1899-07-26
Norton Sound
6:40 AM
Lt.
Berthholf went ashore with cutters crew and Master at Arms and brought
off Diomede native Nubarloo, who killed the boy Nanozuk the 15th inst.
on the Port Clarence sand spit. He was placed in irons and confined in
the fore hold.
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919225/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol081/26-159A-bear-vol081_089.jpg
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Sad.
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Steamer Bear
1899-07-22
Artic Ocean
4 to 8AM
At
6:50 AM fog lifted sighted schooner on port quarter heading to S'd At
6:55 Turned and stood for schooner. At 7:10 Increased speed. 7:50 "Hove
to" schooner with blank shot from 3" B.L.R. slowed down to former speed.
At end standing for schooner.
8AM to Merid.
8:20
Stopped and boarded the Schooner General McPherson of Portland, Jens
Nelson master, bound from Kotzebue to Cape Nome with miners. Acting
under authority of Department's letter of (CFS.) the
Commanding Officer directed Lt. Ballinger with one seaman, L. Rossig,
to take charge of schooner and proceed to St. Micheals and deliver her
to the U.S. Marshal. At 9:50 schooner filled away for Bering Straits
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919225/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol081/26-159A-bear-vol081_085.jpg
Revenue Steamer Bear
1899-07-26
Norton Sound
7:40 AM
the Schooner McPhersen having arrived, got underway and took her in tow to the Eastward.
Merid to 4PM
Mr
D.H. Smith, U.S. Deputy Marshal came on board for the arrest of Captain
Jens B. Neilson of schooner General McPhersen for piracy. Sent Mr Smith
with an officer to schooner to serve warrant.
3:15 PM
Lt.
Bertholf and Deputy Marshal Smith returned with Jens B Neilson, under
arrest. Turned schooner over to Mr Smith as managing owner. Lt.
Ballinger and Seamen Rossig returning on board.
Merid to 4PM
Received on board for transportation to St Michaels, wife & three children of Jens B. Neilson.
4 to 6PM
Captain Neilson's wife and three children came on board for passage to St. Micheals
7:00 PM
Cast off Schooner Gen. McPhersen
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919225/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol081/26-159A-bear-vol081_089.jpg
Revenue Cutter Bear
1899-07-27
Norton Sound
Merid to 4PM
Deputy Marshal D.H. Smith left the ship with Jens Neilson in custody.
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919225/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol081/26-159A-bear-vol081_090.jpg
Revenue Cutter Bear
1899-07-27
Norton Sound
Merid to 4PM
Mrs Neilson & three children left the vessel.
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919225/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol081/26-159A-bear-vol081_090.jpg
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:)
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Revenue Steamer Bear
1899-07-29
St. Micheals
9 AM to 4 PM
Sent
the following prisoners ashore and turned them over to the authorities
Sablok (alias Capt. Jack) Frank Temple of the "Mermaid" Ashuik, and
Nubarlo
Notes*
These cases were heard before the U.S. Commissoners, Sablok was
entenced to 6 months imprisonment in the Military jail at St. Micheals,
the others were turned over to the U.S. District Court at Sitka.
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919225/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol081/26-159A-bear-vol081_092.jpg
Cross-posted in Bear 1899 Discussion
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https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/7329655/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/159a/thetis/vol612/26-159a-thetis-vol612_084.jpg
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/7329655/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/159a/thetis/vol612/26-159a-thetis-vol612_085.jpg
At
10:30 searched and received on board the following destitute people
from the wrecked ship John Currier of San Francisco which stranded off
Nelson's Lagoon west coast of Alaskan Peninsula on August 9 1907, the
ship subsequently broke up and became a total loss. This ships company
of 243 persons lived on the beach at Nelson's Lagoon from the date of
the casualty until rescued by the US Revenue Cutter McCulloch on
September 11th and taken to Unalaska, Alaska
Looks like it got crowded for the journey home, with what looks like a very inadequate amount of cutlery
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What a list, Joke Slayer. So many people left with nothing
:'( Yes - a pathetic amount of cutlery, intriguing to see 'a gate'
mentioned as part of feeding them. I looked at the temperatures -
each night must have been grim on that beach :(
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The John Currier is listed in:
http://alaskashipwreck.com/shipwrecks-a-z/alaska-shipwrecks-j/
https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85066387/1907-08-23/ed-1/seq-11/ (first column)
https://oregonnews.uoregon.edu/lccn/sn83025138/1907-09-25/ed-1/seq-1/ (sixth column - bottom)
https://oregonnews.uoregon.edu/lccn/sn88086023/1907-09-23/ed-1/seq-1/ (second column - near top)
US Revenue Cutter McCulloch: https://catalog.archives.gov/id/70610393
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My scribe finally worked out Var covers what they are doing. ::)
2,3,4am entries
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919267/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/corwin/vol194/26-159A-corwin-vol194_029.jpg
(https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919267/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/corwin/vol194/26-159A-corwin-vol194_029.jpg)
It does not last long, see later PM entries. >:(
This is typical of the Corwins scribe for 1882 and 1884
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;D
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;D ;D ;D
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Anybody know what this means?
Steaming under one bell through ice.
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Going slowly.
Bells, engine telegraph: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_order_telegraph
[AND]
The
early one's weren't fancy telegraphs like you see in the movies though,
just a pull-cord attached to the bell with a pre-established code.
Sometimes there might be a bell-bell and a jingle-bell with specific
meanings (ahead, astern...). The SS Sabino at Mystic Seaport is like
that as I recall. As a group these are all referred to now as 'bell
boats' though few remain. My last boat had telegraphs just in case the
air control failed. [Kevin]
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Thanks.
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This seems riveting.
Steamer Bear
1899-07-15
Port Clarence Bay
8PM to Midt.
Lieut.
E.P. Bertholf left the ship for shore at 10:00 with cutters crew to
inspect native tents on spit, and to inquire into state of affairs.
Returned at 12:00 and made following report. Discoverd no liquor but
found several natives drunk, in particular one Jingsio (called by white
men Romeo) and upon being questioned stated he obtained liquor from the
Steam whaler Wm Bayhos. Two days ago there was a general drunk upon
liquor brought by the Diomede natives, who stated they obtained the
liquor from the Steam whaler Jeanette and Karluk. In one tent was found a
native boy Nanowk, apparently dying of a bullet wound in the head.
Inquiry -developed the following: to-day about the time the Bear
anchored Nubarloo a native from little Diomede was in one of the Port
Clarence tents drunk, quarreling with another native outside. Nubarloo
flourished a revoler and in trying to shoot native outside, shot the
boy. Before Lieut. Bertholf could reach tent at other end of spit, the
latter had dissappeared. The natives saying he had left in his canoe for
St. Micheals.
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919225/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol081/26-159A-bear-vol081_078.jpg
No mention of what happened to the boy.
Revenue Cutter Bear
1899-08-08
Pt. Spencer
[quote
from]
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919225/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol081/26-159A-bear-vol081_102.jpg
[/quote]
4:40 AM
Cutter
returned with two native women Coonook and Pugenuk for transportation
to to St. Micheals witnesses to the killing of the boy Nanowk by the
native Nubarboo 15th ultuim.
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https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919224/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol080/26-159A-bear-vol080_083.jpg
1530: Issued 1 pair drawers to a distressed seaman.
:-X
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:) :) :)
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:o
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If he was really distressed I would think he would need more than one pair of drawers. ::)
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:-[ ;D ;D
Winter draw(er)s on etc (well - it does at this end of the planet)
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Bear @ Nome 6 Aug 1912.
Case of US ? S.O. Gurney, charged with cohabiting in a state of adultery and fornication.
Held defendant to appear before next sessions of the Grand Jury, in the sum of $1000, at Nome Alaska.
$1000 was a lot in those days.
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Indeed!
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Thetis
1899-08-19
(https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/7284548/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/159a/thetis/vol593/26-159A-thetis-vol593_091.jpg)
Anchored near Cape Riley, Alaska.
6 to 8 PM
Omitted fire quarters during the week by reason of deer penned in waist and to avoid stampeding them.
I find it hard to image 49 stampeding deer on the ship's deck! ;D
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Seems like there is not much else to do in the Chukchi Sea area.
8 June, Another adulterer charged in Pt Hope, he got 3 months in jail at Nome.
9 June, US Commissioner performs a marriage between two Pt Hope people. What a difference a day makes.
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Thetis
1899-08-19
(https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/7284548/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/159a/thetis/vol593/26-159A-thetis-vol593_091.jpg)
Anchored near Cape Riley, Alaska.
6 to 8 PM
Omitted fire quarters during the week by reason of deer penned in waist and to avoid stampeding them.
I find it hard to image 49 stampeding deer on the ship's deck! ;D
I'm
glad that someone thought that through beforehand. Can you imagine if
they'd set the guns off? I've heard of 'mad as a box of frogs', 'mad as a
herd of startled deer in the waist hold of a ship' would certainly be a
thought to play with ;D
Seems like there is not much else to do in the Chukchi Sea area.
8 June, Another adulterer charged in Pt Hope, he got 3 months in jail at Nome.
9 June, US Commissioner performs a marriage between two Pt Hope people. What a difference a day makes.
Awww- romantic ;) ;D
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It's no trifle now, either.
:o
$1000 was a lot in those days.
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$1000 was a lot in those days.
According to an inflation calculator I found online, it would be about $26,000 today!
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Wow, they did not want Mr Gurney absconding before trial.
I wonder where he got that kind of money for bail.
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Bear 4am-8am
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919261/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol106/26-159A-bear-vol106_120.jpg
I know what it actually says but it sure looks like
"Crew performed routine mowing duties"
Also 2am clouds c3s ????
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'morning duties', I think.
At 2am it looks like the figures
have been written in the wrong box then corrected. Ci S was
originally written in the state of the weather column and 3 in the cloud
type column. The correct figures should be bc, Ci S, 3.
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Thanks.
I did get the Mowing/Morning, just thought it was funny.
Had not thought about the wrong columns.
:)
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I just finished editing June 22, 1884 of The Steamer Bear.
"8pm
to Midnight: Overcast, gloomy weather. Blowing whole gale with
very heavy squalls; gale increasing in force. About 8 the party under
Lieut. Taunt discovered a cairn on Brevoort Island containing Records of
Lieut Greely stating that on 26th October 1883 he established permanent
camp half way between Cocked Hat Island and Cape Sabine, having at that
time 40 days rations. Got under way at once, Commander Schley coming on
board this ship. Steam launch in meantime found camp of Lieut Greely's
party, landed finding Lieut Greely & six men alive. The remainder of
party dead of starvation."
And from June 23, 1884:
"Midnight
to 4am: Clear & cool. Blowing fresh gale from NNW with very
frequent very heavy squalls. Lying off camp of Lieut Greely and
communicating by whale boats and steam launch with the shore to bring
off survivors of the Greely expedition as well as records, relics etc.
Latter named articles as soon as brought on board was collected &
put together, some in main hold and some in cabin. Received on board
Srgts Long, Frederick & Ellison, the first two in a very weak
condition; the last having both feet frozen off as well as the fingers
& thumbs of both hands, and he was very weak and much exhausted."
Quite
sobering. I recently watched a documentary on the Greely
Expedition. These logbook entries are matter-of-fact, and don't
convey the terrible hardships and suffering the Greely men endured.
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Sobering indeed.
Very different from the relatively soft lives that most of us live.
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That's a great piece of log-book!
I think that the very 'straight
recording information' style of the logs brings the sobering horrors of
Arctic exploration at that time vividly to life for me. These are part
of everyday life in the icy wilds in those days it seems. :-\ :(
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Bear, October 30th 1909:
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919250/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol100A/26-159A-bear-vol100A_130.jpg
At
around 2 PM, she went down the wrong inlet, and the crew had to ground
her and wait for high tide so they could turn around and get out.
I found it very interesting to read about.
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I bet there were some red faces...
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Well it's one way to keep the barnacles off the Bear's bottom.
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Bear Jan 24, 1915. 8am-4pm
...- by authority of paragraph 13, article 80 1/2 of the regulations .... (eighty and a half)
First time I have seen a 1/2 reg.
Is that the reg you have when not having a reg? ;D
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/23696094/content/dc-metro/rg-026/585454/0002/Bear-b357/Bear-b357-0027.JPG
(https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/23696094/content/dc-metro/rg-026/585454/0002/Bear-b357/Bear-b357-0027.JPG)
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Perhaps the log keeper was a Harry Potter fan? ;D
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Perhaps the log keeper was a Harry Potter fan? ;D
Those half platforms can be hard to find when your late for the train. :o ;D
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I remember seeing a house that was 31 1/2. We all laughed at it and
wondered how they halved the house. Our next stop was a fishmongers just
a door or two along the street. We asked about the curious number. The
fishmonger asked us why we don't bother with halves down in the South -
fair game! :D
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https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/23696094/content/dc-metro/rg-026/585454/0002/Bear-b357/Bear-b357-0077.JPG
(https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/23696094/content/dc-metro/rg-026/585454/0002/Bear-b357/Bear-b357-0077.JPG)
No wonder some have trouble working out what is written.
Fourth line from the bottom of 8am-4pm
Look at the p in preparing then at fainting/painting or fainted/painted.
(Yes, I did guess its painting and painted.)
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;D
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;D
(What a strange mix of 'f's though!)
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Northland, July 7th 1934:
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/7284532/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/159a/northland/b1722/26-159a-northland-b1722_011.jpg
At
the bottom of the Events page, it says "Plate blown up stack from
galley, carrying away radio direction finder antenna." :o
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Northland, July 7th 1934:
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/7284532/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/159a/northland/b1722/26-159a-northland-b1722_011.jpg
At
the bottom of the Events page, it says "Plate blown up stack from
galley, carrying away radio direction finder antenna." :o
It has to be real - you couldn't make up a story like that :o ;D ;D ;D
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Wonder how they managed that!
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Wonder how they managed that!
Too many 'bangers' in the mash??!! ;)
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Wonder how they managed that!
Too many 'bangers' in the mash??!! ;)
Dean - that's got me in fits of laughter ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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On October 6th 1950, the Storis sent a boat to Cape Spencer Light
Station to deliver supplies and mail, it came back with outgoing mail
and three empty ice cream containers.
1600 to 2000 paragraph, spread across these pages:
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/38547952/content/dc-metro/rg-026/559642/2017-01/storis-wmec-38-1950/storis-wmec-38-1950_0366.JPG
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/38547952/content/dc-metro/rg-026/559642/2017-01/storis-wmec-38-1950/storis-wmec-38-1950_0367.JPG
I
would very much like to hear the story behind the ice cream containers -
were they being used for something practical? Or were the lighthouse
keepers putting on Kummerspeck (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Kummerspeck) from loneliness and isolation?
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;D ;D ;D
I hope they had a freezer, otherwise they'd have to eat it all in one go!
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I wonder what size they were? A one pint ice cream container - very
useful for keeping spare shoe laces and the odd shirt button. A
ten gallon ice cream container - ummm - a spare hip bath?
::) ;)
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I've seen a lot of mentions of ice cream in the logs ;)
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Sorry, I must admit I have not been recording Ice Cream consumption
on Storis 1951 but will from now on (Yes, sure I will ::) )
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Just be sure to record it under ice cream and not ice ;)
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Just be sure to record it under ice cream and not ice ;)
:P ;D
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Not even when it's in the ocean? ;D
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Exciting day on the Storis.
2100 Lock on serving table screen
, crews mess found to be defective by duty cook Hall, E.E. (277 785)
and replaced with lock from main galley door, New lock being put on main
galley door.
2200 lights out.
(Disaster now avoided, I hope they slept well, My comment) ;D
Next day. Does this really say
0735 Received 16 dozen Spud nuts from Spud nut shop.
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/38547953/content/dc-metro/rg-026/559642/2017-01/storis-wmec-38-1951/storis-wmec-38-1951_0183.JPG
(https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/38547953/content/dc-metro/rg-026/559642/2017-01/storis-wmec-38-1951/storis-wmec-38-1951_0183.JPG)
My
god this isolation is getting to me, I am noticing all these very
important things I may have normally missed. ::)
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Could be true - a quick Google search turned up this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spudnut_Shops
Spudnuts were advertised widely, with the slogan "Coast to coast... Alaska to Mexico"
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;D ;D ;D
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Could be true - a quick Google search turned up this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spudnut_Shops
Spudnuts were advertised widely, with the slogan "Coast to coast... Alaska to Mexico"
and it says 'The original recipe is based on a folk recipe that traces back to Germany.'
Check your old family recipe books Hanibal, your family may own the recipe. ;D
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Spud nuts sound quite toothsome. I might try making some :D
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My god this isolation is getting to me, I am noticing all these very important things I may have normally missed.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Spud nuts sound quite toothsome. I might try making some :D
Beta tester available, reasonable rates ;)
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It is wonderful the huge range of random things you learn about on OW. I just wish I could remember them all!
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With the present intermittent shortages spudnuts might be a treat
for the 'grow your own' brigade. Wonder if it works with the savers
brand of dried potato which I bought for the foodbank. The collection
point at the local church was closed so I sent them a cheque and kept
the food for emergencies.
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Let us know ;D
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Spud nuts sound quite toothsome. I might try making some :D
Beta tester available, reasonable rates ;)
I'll look in to postage and packaging then :D
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;D
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Looks like the Spud Nut shop also supplies Commissary Supplies as
well not just spud nuts. We picked up some today at Juneau.
Who would have thought?
Still no ice cream mentioned. Maybe Hanibals crew eat all the stores last year. :'(
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;D ;D ;D
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Looks like the Spud Nut shop also supplies Commissary Supplies as well not just spud nuts. We picked up some today at Juneau.
Who would have thought?
Still no ice cream mentioned. Maybe Hanibals crew eat all the stores last year. :'(
Make
your own Stuart! Ice cream is easily made from creamy custard -
just remember to stir it up every 20 minutes to bust up the ice crystals
;)
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Don't know if this has been posted as I am very new here, but here
is a wonderful entry on the joys of life on a whaling ship in the Bering
Sea. The logger doesn't believe in punctuation and has many other
quirks, but still very understandable!
From the Alexander, June 16, 1899 off East Cape Siberia...
...fast
to flaw [i.e., "floe"] ice on the North side of East Cape on the
Siberia Coast the ship is about 75 feet from the Beach one of the Crew
Named Hanse Olsen went on shore without permission and got whiskey from
the Natives and got drunk and Came on board and sarted to fight with the
Crew i the Mate tried to stop him and he Called ne all the S.B. he
could think of them i got him [?f] and the Captain told Hanse to Shut
his mouth he was swearing and Hanse said that there was no S.B in the
Ship that Could stop him from swearing and the Captain Said that he
Could and Hanse said he was a S.B. and he Could not do it So we lashed
hiss feet and hands to gather and put Hanse down the Main hatch
and sent on Board of the Carluk for a pair of big hand Cuffs and put
them on then he cursed the Captain and all the Officers that we had to
gog him such language i never hurd before So ends the day.
[added vertically in margin] Mate took a bottle half full of Alcohol Hanse and through the bottle over board
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8) Thanks for posting that!
Would you please post the link to that page?
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Loved it! Thank you.
It sounds like the USS Concord on one of
her better days, although the spelling and grammar on the Concord was
somewhat better! ;D ;D ;D
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It did bring the USS Concord to mind ;D
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8) Thanks for posting that!
Would you please post the link to that page?
https://archive.org/details/alexandersteamba00alex_0/page/146/mode/1up
(https://archive.org/details/alexandersteamba00alex_0/page/146/mode/1up)
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Excellent - One of the best!! I loved that sense of compassion
when they made sure to get bigger hand irons from the Karluk.
Sounds to me like the mate could have done with a short stiff drink of
the mis-creating whisky to get over the aural assault. ;D ;D ;D ;D
;D
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I was wondering if this was the same Karluk that sank in
the western Arctic in 1914 as part of Stefanson's expedition. Captain
Bartlett of Brigus, Newfoundland (the one who took Peary North on this
side) was its captain.
Here is a report on its sinking from a local Newfoundland source:
https://www.heritage.nf.ca/articles/exploration/karluk-disaster.php
It talks about the Karluk as having been converted into a whaler in
1899.
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Loved it! Thank you.
It
sounds like the USS Concord on one of her better days, although the
spelling and grammar on the Concord was somewhat better! ;D ;D ;D
Your right it goes sound like the Concord.
I was on it for quite a while.
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Loved it! Thank you.
It
sounds like the USS Concord on one of her better days, although the
spelling and grammar on the Concord was somewhat better! ;D ;D ;D
Your right it goes sound like the Concord.
I was on it for quite a while.
The Concord was so exciting that she made it onto the list of Chance cards in Shipopoly ;D
(https://imgur.com/Gsh7o5b.png)
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I was wondering if this was the same Karluk
that sank in the western Arctic in 1914. Captain Bartlett of Brigus,
Newfoundland (the one who took Peary North on this side) was its
captain.
Here is a report on its sinking from a local Newfoundland source:
https://www.heritage.nf.ca/articles/exploration/karluk-disaster.php
I think so JG. Here's the wiki entry:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_voyage_of_the_Karluk
It has some echoes of the terrible fate of the USS Jeannette. :'(
There are three sets of papers available at the New Bedford Whaling Museum:
Call Nbr: G525 .T6 1931
Creator:
Title:
Told at the Explorers Club : true tales of modern exploration / edited by Frederick A. Blossom
Publisher Info:
New York : Albert & Charles Boni, 1931.
Summary:
Notes:
Illustrated
lining-papers. --Rescued from the "death trap" of the Arctic / by Burt
M. McConnell: p. 225-238; story of the rescue of John Munro, chief
engineer of the whaling vessel Karluk, and his eleven companions.
Loc-Shelving: (Lower stack)
Call Nbr: G670 1913 .S5 1916
Creator:
Bartlett, Bob,--1875-1946
Title:
The
last voyage of the Karluk : flagship of Vilhjalmar Stefansson's
Canadian Arctic expedition of 1913-16 / as related by her master, Robert
A. Bartlett, and here set down by Ralph T. Hale
Publisher Info:
Boston : Small, Maynard and Co., [c1916].
Summary:
Notes:
Loc-Shelving: (Lower stack)
Call Nbr: G670 1913 .S5 1928
Creator:
Bartlett, Bob,--1875-1946
Title:
The last voyage of the Karluk / Robert A. Bartlett and Ralph T. Hale. Illustrated from charts and photographs
Publisher Info:
Boston : Hale, Cushman & Flint, 1928, [c1916].
Summary:
Notes:
Loc-Shelving: Lower Stacks
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I was wondering if this was the same Karluk
that sank in the western Arctic in 1914 as part of Steffensons
expedition. Captain Bartlett of Brigus, Newfoundland (the one who took
Peary North on this side) was its captain.
Here is a report on its sinking from a local Newfoundland source:
https://www.heritage.nf.ca/articles/exploration/karluk-disaster.php
It probably was.
According to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMCS_Karluk that Karluk was a whaler.
And
according to https://whalinghistory.org/av/voyages/ (in Resources for
finding ships' names
(https://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=5110.0)) the Karluk was in
the North Pacific at that time.
Thanks for posting that article!
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PS Here's the search page for the NBWM stacks:
https://collections.whalingmuseum.org/RediscoveryProficioPublicSearch/ArchiveHome.aspx?LIBRARY
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June 17, 1899 entry for the Alexander concludes:
...our fighting man is calmed down so ends the day
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June 17, 1899 entry for the Alexander concludes:
...our fighting man is calmed down so ends the day
I
can sort of hear the depth of his sigh as he wrote 'so ends the day'. I
bet he thought 'and a fewer of those days would be good'. ;D
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:) :) :)
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Same day on the Concord:
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919175/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-024/581208-noaa/concord/vol025of040/24-118-concord-vol025of040_176.jpg
One person in irons awaiting investigation another person in irons for being drunk.
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More drama on the 26th!...
Ship at Anchor at Indian Point to
Night we have found out ho the thief is this name is Jack Warren and a
fiew day a go he was cought Broaching Cargo down in the four hatch to
Night he was Caught stealing again so we put him in irons and trised
[trussed?] him up so he Can't steal any more so ends the day
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;D ;D ;D
You've got a long way to go to beat the Concord's record for every kind of bad behaviour.
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I wonder if they mean triced up: https://books.google.com/books?id=I-ebcPjoDgsC&pg=PA33&lpg=PA33&dq=%22trice+up%22+punishment
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Didn't know that trice could be a verb. Only knew the noun defn which everyone knows.
THX
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Wasn't there a song called
Once, Trice, Three times a Lady? ;D
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Wasn't there a song called
Once, Trice, Three times a Lady? ;D
Grooooaaaannnn - very funny Stuart ;D ;D ;D
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I wonder if they mean triced up: https://books.google.com/books?id=I-ebcPjoDgsC&pg=PA33&lpg=PA33&dq=%22trice+up%22+punishment
Didn't know that trice could be a verb. Only knew the noun defn which everyone knows.
THX
Randi's
right. Tricing brought Captain Mike Healy of the Bear to grief. He
visited this illegal punishment upon his crew and ended up getting into
terrible trouble for it after an inquiry. :o