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Title: RN: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: DJ_59 on 30 November 2010, 22:40:35
We need a little help from everyone.  If, when you're transcribing log sheets, you come across letters or disciplinary action records, please post the image URL here.  We're just kind of cruising through these to see who is mentioned, what interesting information pop up, etc.  No need to transcribe them word for word (unless you want to).  Just posting the image link here will help a lot.  Thanks.

Deej
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: sarek on 01 December 2010, 04:11:29
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34665/ADM53-34665-018_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34665/ADM53-34665-018_1.jpg)

Captain of HMS Bacchante hands out a New Years present.  :P
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: loerie on 04 December 2010, 11:21:55
Any mentioning of names, even if it's only to report a particular person boarded? Or only if something "interesting" happened.

Too bad I can only trace back My Old Weather a limited number of days. There were several courts-martial, amongst other things, and one incident (a fatal accident) where the victim's name, rank, and number were mentioned, together with his age and "current" address.

Anyway, L. Stoker Short was placed under arrest. The log doesn't mention why, but he was released four hours later.

HMS Orama, April 5th 1917
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53478/ADM%2053-53478-005_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53478/ADM%2053-53478-005_1.jpg)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: loerie on 04 December 2010, 11:30:21
Stokers Jenkins and Yates were taken to DQ's under escort, on separate occasions.
Stoker Fox returned drunk, from Simon's Town in South Africa,  and was placed under sentry.

HMS Orama, April 12th 1917
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53478/ADM%2053-53478-009_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53478/ADM%2053-53478-009_0.jpg)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: loerie on 04 December 2010, 11:36:21
Stoker Gifford, previously reported absentee, returned on board.
Stoker Warbrick, previously reported absentee, returned on board.
Warrant no. 43 read, possibly to stoker Fox, who was sent to DQ's under escort.

HMS Orama, April 14th 1917. Simon's Town in South Africa.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53478/ADM%2053-53478-010_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53478/ADM%2053-53478-010_0.jpg)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: strangford on 04 December 2010, 20:19:59
HMS Moldavia - 27 April 1916
10:30 Fireman cook discharged to Naval Prison [Glasgow]
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49756/ADM%2053-49756-016_1.jpg

I'm not sure if this a fireman named cook, or a cook being disciplined for burning meals.
Or, if he's even being disciplined.  Maybe they preferred him to burn the prisoners' meals.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Thursday Next on 07 December 2010, 09:30:38
I've already posted this on the thread I've started for the Mantua, but it probably ought to be in this thread as well:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48278/ADM%20%2053-48278-005_1.jpg

One of the Mantua's crew committed suicide - although the log page says 5 August 1914 this is not correct, it was actually 1915.

Just to add to the above, there was a warrant read the day before, and four warrants the day before that - no details given, as usual, but I wonder if the events are related?
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: loerie on 08 December 2010, 11:37:20
O.S. Bannentine joined for passage to HMS Glasgow.

HMS Orama, March 14th, 1917. Simon's Town in South Africa.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53477/ADM%2053-53477-010_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53477/ADM%2053-53477-010_0.jpg)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: loerie on 08 December 2010, 11:41:09
Stoker Hitchens + 3 ratings from England were sent to "Challenger".

HMS Orama, April 15th, 1917. Simon's Town in South Africa.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53478/ADM%2053-53478-010_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53478/ADM%2053-53478-010_1.jpg)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: loerie on 08 December 2010, 15:34:17
Lt C Lindsay boarded to dock ship.

HMS Orama, March 23rd, 1917. Simon's Town in South Africa.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53477/ADM%2053-53477-014_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53477/ADM%2053-53477-014_1.jpg)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: loerie on 08 December 2010, 15:43:21
A whole bunch of names:
Pte Warman RMLI joined ship from barracks.
Mid Taylor RNR joined ship.
Stoker Warbuton brought aboard under arrest from London (no additional specifics were given).

September 19th, 1917. Liverpool.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53483/ADM%2053-53483-006_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53483/ADM%2053-53483-006_0.jpg)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: cyzaki on 09 December 2010, 02:03:13
Do you really want every name posted here? Or by 'letters or other misc' did you mean anything inserted into the log books that isn't a log page?
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 09 December 2010, 08:09:44
Here's one:
http://www.oldweather.org/classify?vessel_id=4caf8da7cadfd3419703c0cd

I didn't know you could be written up for being drunk onshore or on leave!
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Thursday Next on 09 December 2010, 09:23:00
Do you really want every name posted here? Or by 'letters or other misc' did you mean anything inserted into the log books that isn't a log page?

I hope it isn't every name - the Mantua's log namechecks lots of people .  I'd be here all day if that was the case. :)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: ElisabethB on 09 December 2010, 13:16:05
A whole bunch of names:
Pte Warman RMLI joined ship from barracks.
Mid Taylor RNR joined ship.
Stoker Warbuton brought aboard under arrest from London (no additional specifics were given).

September 19th, 1917. Liverpool.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53483/ADM%2053-53483-006_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53483/ADM%2053-53483-006_0.jpg)

Hi loerie,
it is not necessary to report any boardings or leaving ship in here.
This thread is to collect " any letters or disciplinary action records" as mentioned in the first post of this thread.
Thanks for all your hard work!
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Doug Vanderweide on 12 December 2010, 00:43:28
Here are some from Trent:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63492/ADM%2053-63492-079_0.jpg

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63492/ADM%2053-63492-077_0.jpg

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63492/ADM%2053-63492-076_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: cyzaki on 12 December 2010, 03:33:41
Do you really want every name posted here? Or by 'letters or other misc' did you mean anything inserted into the log books that isn't a log page?

Can I have clarification on this please?

Thanks.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Caro on 12 December 2010, 03:37:47
Hi cyzaki. What we are looking for are letters and other notes like this:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34038/ADM53-34038-007_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: cyzaki on 12 December 2010, 03:43:53
That's what I thought, thanks  ;D I don't think it was clear in the original post that what you are looking for is anything that's not a log page.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: dorbel on 17 December 2010, 04:22:00
HMS Ophir attaches a typewritten and signed note to the log when they stop a vessel, naming the dat, time and position and signed by two officers. Sorry, these have slipped back into the past, but I will post if they do it again.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on 21 December 2010, 20:04:31
HMS Avenger 31 May 1917 the last log page since the ship was torpedoed and sunk by the U69 on 14 june 1917. L. Ridland AN RNR No 14842 departed life by drowning accidently fell overboard. They later held a court of inquery to his cause of death and then they spotted ice.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: kin47 on 21 December 2010, 20:24:34
Thank you.

Lewis Ridland was a Seaman in the Shetland Section RNR

All best and keep up the good work!

don
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: elizabeth on 28 December 2010, 13:28:06
 Found this anyone know what it is
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg230/elizabethsiegel/Capture40.png)link (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-41201/ADM53-41201-135_1.jpg)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 28 December 2010, 18:23:05
A report of what was onboard a civilian steamer named "Zaire".  The ship and all of its cargo is apparently legit, but a few of the passengers didn't make the grade and were taken into custody.

Thanks for showing it to us.  What ship are you on that had this?
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: dorbel on 29 December 2010, 03:54:11
Attachment to log of HMS "Ophir" recording boarding of a Danish ship and removal of 2 Germans.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53372/ADM%2053-53372-015_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Caro on 29 December 2010, 04:35:16
A report of what was onboard a civilian steamer named "Zaire".  The ship and all of its cargo is apparently legit, but a few of the passengers didn't make the grade and were taken into custody.
Thanks for showing it to us.  What ship are you on that had this?
It was HMS Europa.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 29 December 2010, 04:38:36
A report of what was onboard a civilian steamer named "Zaire".  The ship and all of its cargo is apparently legit, but a few of the passengers didn't make the grade and were taken into custody.
Thanks for showing it to us.  What ship are you on that had this?
It was HMS Europa.
Thank you.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 29 December 2010, 04:47:18
Attachment to log of HMS "Ophir" recording boarding of a Danish ship and removal of 2 Germans.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53372/ADM%2053-53372-015_1.jpg
Thank you, dorbel.  That one is very short and tidy.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Caro on 30 December 2010, 09:57:54


(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-66352/ADM%2053-66352-010_0.jpg) (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-66352/ADM%2053-66352-010_1.jpg)

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-66352/ADM%2053-66352-010_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-66352/ADM%2053-66352-010_1.jpg

Not sure what, if anything, this has to do with the Una log from October 1916.  :-\ ;)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 30 December 2010, 10:58:45
Could that have been some previous reader's bookmark? ???  It is very odd and interesting.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: DJ_59 on 30 December 2010, 13:39:57

It's very odd, because the only way I can think of that it might have gotten there is, as Janet suggested, someone at the Archive put it in Una's log book as a book mark.  But why would they use that?  I would think they'd treat any old document as important. 
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: elizabeth on 30 December 2010, 14:15:40
A report of what was onboard a civilian steamer named "Zaire".  The ship and all of its cargo is apparently legit, but a few of the passengers didn't make the grade and were taken into custody.

Thanks for showing it to us.  What ship are you on that had this?
:) Did I not post a link? The ship is Europa
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 30 December 2010, 17:23:44

It's very odd, because the only way I can think of that it might have gotten there is, as Janet suggested, someone at the Archive put it in Una's log book as a book mark.  But why would they use that?  I would think they'd treat any old document as important.
It's called being absent-minded.  ;)  Very common (and embarassing) among the intelligent who are concentrating on a different task.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 01 January 2011, 06:25:32
Hi
Three pages that I understand may be of interest. I originally posted it onto the incorrectly scanned tread as I couldnt read part of the comments but Janet asked me to repost here.

They are from the log of HMS Espiegle from early April 1923. She has just come out of refit in Bombay.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77067/ADM%2053-77067-0165_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77067/ADM%2053-77067-0166_1.jpg

There is also one page between these two with more correction information. I cant get that one to come up as a view of the whole page, except as a small jpg, so I hope that this is of use.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77067/thumbs/ADM%2053-77067-0165_thumb.jpg

Let me know if you need more.
K
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Joke Slayer on 01 January 2011, 19:57:44
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69703/ADM53-69703-074_1.jpg

from HMS Hampshire
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 02 January 2011, 14:17:06
Another set of deviation tables.

HMS Espiegle. Immediately following major refit in Bombay. June 1921.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77065/ADM%2053-77065-0062_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77065/ADM%2053-77065-0061_0.jpg

Enjoy!!

K
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: dorbel on 03 January 2011, 03:48:00
In December 1922, Foxglove ended a long docking in Hong Kong and there is a blue page in the log with up-to-date compass deviations for each point of the compass. Interestingly, this page isn't loose because there are printed instructions on the reverse that it can be torn out if not required. Perhaps they were usually so removed and few have survived.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Kathy on 06 January 2011, 12:12:35
From Foxglove -

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77629/ADM%2053-77629-0062_1.jpg

This is probably why the page did not scan properly -

yours -

Kathy
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jdulak on 07 January 2011, 09:34:09
"Record of Observations for Deviation" included in the HMS Kent log for October 12 1914:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45610/ADM%2053-45610-010_1.jpg


John
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jdulak on 07 January 2011, 09:36:22
Compass Information from HMS Kent:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45610/ADM%2053-45610-011_0.jpg


John
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 07 January 2011, 22:12:58
HMS Torch spent April 20th to 23rd trying to tow the Russian Destroyer "Schast Livi" for very long miles.  I posted it all (in links instead of describing in detail because it is very lengthy) on http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=885.new#new

But this was the separate sheet with everything they lost - during the first tow!!  http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63337/ADM%2053-63337-014_1.jpg

The disasterous second tow losses are in the noon blocks at http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63337/ADM%2053-63337-015_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jdulak on 08 January 2011, 19:29:33
"Record of Observations for Deviation" included in the HMS Kent log
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45610/ADM%2053-45610-030_1.jpg
Compass Information HMS Kent
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45610/ADM%2053-45610-031_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45610/ADM%2053-45610-031_1.jpg

John Dulak
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 11 January 2011, 02:35:03
HMS Endeavour   30-Mar-1922
Position of Correctors for New Compass
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-76851/ADM%2053-76851-0050_1.jpg

Record of Observations for Deviation
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-76851/ADM%2053-76851-0051_0.jpg
new compass found unreliable because placed in close proximity to soft iron
after 4.5 months being refitted
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jdulak on 14 January 2011, 19:36:53
HMS Kent Compas deviation/ corrector charts:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45610/ADM%2053-45610-163_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45610/ADM%2053-45610-163_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45610/ADM%2053-45610-164_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45610/ADM%2053-45610-164_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45610/ADM%2053-45610-165_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45610/ADM%2053-45610-165_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45610/ADM%2053-45610-166_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45610/ADM%2053-45610-166_1.jpg


John
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 15 January 2011, 08:01:33
From H.M.S. Challenger mentioning the service records of Lieutenant Maxwell

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-37518/ADM%2053-37518-038_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 15 January 2011, 17:28:22
I am not sure if this kind of page has been posted somewhere else or if it is the right place to post.
It is a great help to see how logs had to be kept.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-37518/ADM%2053-37518-004_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 15 January 2011, 17:42:04
The Admiralty's Directions for Weather Readings are extremely helpful.  They've been posted on several boards but the more we get, the better it is.  More makes it easier for newbies to find one.  Thank you.

I am not sure if this kind of page has been posted somewhere else or if it is the right place to post.
It is a great help to see how logs had to be kept.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-37518/ADM%2053-37518-004_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jdulak on 15 January 2011, 19:20:20
From The HMS Kent Log for September 23 1915:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45610/ADM%2053-45610-191_1.jpg

"Ship's Log - Rendering of Monthly Copy During Hostilities"

John
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jdulak on 15 January 2011, 19:29:23

From The HMS Kent Log for September 1915:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45610/ADM%2053-45610-192_1.jpg

John
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jdulak on 15 January 2011, 19:36:36
From The HMS Kent Log for September 1915:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45610/ADM%2053-45610-193_1.jpg

John
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jdulak on 15 January 2011, 19:40:58
Not sure what this is:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45610/ADM%2053-45610-194_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45610/ADM%2053-45610-194_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45610/ADM%2053-45610-196_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45610/ADM%2053-45610-196_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45610/ADM%2053-45610-198_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45610/ADM%2053-45610-198_1.jpg

From the logs of the HMS Kent.

These were at the end of a log book for September 1915 and the next book was for April 1915 Which I had already done!!! Perhaps this April log is an "Original" and the previous was a "Copy". This happened to me once before. I will just keep going.

John
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 15 January 2011, 19:45:21
jdulak,
Several reactions I had to the first note and the duplicate page scans:
I suggest that you use copies 2 and 3 to transcribe the covered data only, duplicating the date several times will make no difference at all to our computer - it counts the transcriptions per scanned page and not by date.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 15 January 2011, 19:48:14
The other 2 notes seem to be a record of subsidiary losses during the battle.  Even more interesting, IMO. 

Thank your for including them here.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: pliget on 17 January 2011, 10:44:12
HMS Titania at Hong Kong on 21 Jun 1923
Records of Observations for Deviation:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-87624/ADM%2053-87624-150_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: pliget on 17 January 2011, 10:45:46
and Description and Position of Correctors:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-87624/ADM%2053-87624-151_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 17 January 2011, 13:11:37
Hardly the most exciting note to find in a log book, but it may mean something to someone.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77065/ADM%2053-77065-0126_1.jpg

K
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 January 2011, 15:59:22
Thank you all.  Tegwen, I've never seen something like that - the numbers are clearly not dates, since the year 1921 is included in the scan.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 18 January 2011, 06:55:58
Hi Tegwen and Janet Jaguar

I think those numbers are the code numbers for the signal flags being hoisted.

Here is a useful link: http://www.quadibloc.com/other/flaint.htm
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 18 January 2011, 08:58:37
Thanks, h.kohler.  That makes sense. 
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: lead_bullet on 18 January 2011, 18:54:31
I've found the HMS Teutonic log,

Nov 20th 1915
(the day she left Faroe Island)
       
'Cautioned Mr Henry Hawkes
for dereliction of duty in
withdrawing a 6" gun's crew
contrary to the Captain's
standing orders'

there's following note 'Under protest 20-11-15' and initials 'H.H.' (written by Hawkes I assume)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: lead_bullet on 19 January 2011, 17:07:27
...the story continues...
Dec, 4th 1915 Mr. Hawkes, mentioned above, left Teutonic to join SS Excellent (lost in battle http://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?60230)...

lead_bullet
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: lead_bullet on 19 January 2011, 17:34:46
At the beginning of the Dec, 6th 1915, from HMS Teutonic log

civil Police action mentioned
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62730/ADM%2053-62730-006_0.jpg

lead_bullet
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 20 January 2011, 08:44:45
Not quite sure if this is what you want, but...

H.M.S. Birmingham - 20 Jan 1920 7:30 AM

Cautioned Mr. Joseph Fraser, Gunner (T) for improper performance of his duty as warrant officer landed with Fire Party on Jan 18th 1920. [signed] J. Fraser [and] A.G. Crawford

(There were brush fires near Simonstown (Union of South Africa) that threatened the RN Hospital and Sanatorium. Two fire control crews, a fire demolition crew, and finally a fire guard crew were sent.)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 20 January 2011, 10:32:24
They did say they were interested in discipline.  Do you have a .jpg link for that page?

To create a link to the '.jpg' format of any log page for Internet Explorer users:
     Go to the log page, right click the image,
     click Properties at the bottom of the box,
     then copy the URL next to Address
     and paste it into your post.

With Firefox you need to right click the log page,
     click Copy Image Location,
     then click Paste when you are ready to post here.

Not quite sure if this is what you want, but...

H.M.S. Birmingham - 20 Jan 1920 7:30 AM

Cautioned Mr. Joseph Fraser, Gunner (T) for improper performance of his duty as warrant officer landed with Fire Party on Jan 18th 1920. [signed] J. Fraser [and] A.G. Crawford

(There were brush fires near Simonstown (Union of South Africa) that threatened the RN Hospital and Sanatorium. Two fire control crews, a fire demolition crew, and finally a fire guard crew were sent.)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 20 January 2011, 11:47:34
An interesting note for mariners on the position of buoys and how to pass them.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-37518/ADM%2053-37518-118_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 20 January 2011, 15:05:30
They did say they were interested in discipline.  Do you have a .jpg link for that page?
Not quite sure if this is what you want, but...

H.M.S. Birmingham - 20 Jan 1920 7:30 AM

Cautioned Mr. Joseph Fraser, Gunner (T) for improper performance of his duty as warrant officer landed with Fire Party on Jan 18th 1920. [signed] J. Fraser [and] A.G. Crawford

(There were brush fires near Simonstown (Union of South Africa) that threatened the RN Hospital and Sanatorium. Two fire control crews, a fire demolition crew, and finally a fire guard crew were sent.)

Here you are Janet http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-35452/0119_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 20 January 2011, 15:41:02
Thank you.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: camiller on 21 January 2011, 13:24:06
Deviation Table for the HMS Alacrity:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-70130/ADM53-70130-037_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: pliget on 23 January 2011, 06:29:22
HMS Titania 14-Oct-1919, off Dungeness
Deviation table

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63243/ADM%2053-63243-012_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: lead_bullet on 26 January 2011, 05:53:05
HMS Teutonic, January 13th, 1916, Liverpool, 2 P.M.:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62731/ADM%2053-62731-008_1.jpg

I've missed Jan, 12th...can't figure out the reason

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Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: camiller on 26 January 2011, 11:01:14
Board of Enquiry aboard the HMS Capetown on 27 July, 1922, in Dalhousie "re loss of torpedo off Bermuda":

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-72547/ADM%2053-72547-059_1.jpg

I don't remember log entries describing this incident.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 26 January 2011, 13:05:40
That is lovely, in that it's rare to log the subject of any court.  The incident wouldn't be in your logs, as whenever possible they hold all courts aboard a ship whose crew is not involved in the incident.  I don't know why the RN started that custom, but as a plant manager I can promise that it is much kinder to the morale of your ratings and workers, and less stressful on the court.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: camiller on 26 January 2011, 13:53:30
Thanks, Janet Jaguar!  The Capetown also sails to Bermuda, thus my confusion... I would never have guessed the twist you describe; it does make sense, all around.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 27 January 2011, 11:35:41
Introductory pages from a new volume of HMS Espiegle's logs gives a tiny bit more history etc.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77066/ADM%2053-77066-0004_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77066/ADM%2053-77066-0005_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77066/ADM%2053-77066-0005_1.jpg

K
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: mutabilitie on 27 January 2011, 11:46:49
That is lovely, in that it's rare to log the subject of any court.  The incident wouldn't be in your logs, as whenever possible they hold all courts aboard a ship whose crew is not involved in the incident.  I don't know why the RN started that custom, but as a plant manager I can promise that it is much kinder to the morale of your ratings and workers, and less stressful on the court.
Was that a practice started after 1915, by any chance? I'm asking, because I'm pretty sure that after my ship had its collision with another ship, there was a log entry which said the enquiry people had come on board. And there were several other ships in Glasgow at the time which weren't directly involved in the incident...
I can try to look it up, but this happened nearly three months ago, so it could take me a while to locate that page.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 28 January 2011, 09:36:23
Some more pages from the start of another volume of Espiegle's logs.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77067/ADM%2053-77067-0004_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77067/ADM%2053-77067-0005_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77067/ADM%2053-77067-0005_1.jpg

This is all a bit wierd as the last logs from the previous volume ended with the ship being paid off and the company awaiting ships for England, although it is clear that she continued for another year.

Some clarity is provided by the first day of the new volume, which is the day after the last of the old one.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77067/ADM%2053-77067-0006_0.jpg
It appears that she was recommissioned with a new captain and crew. While that at least explains what happens it doesnt explain why. Any ideas?
Thanks
K
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 28 January 2011, 10:13:29
Also a set of deviation tables from June 2nd 1922 from HMS Espiegle
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77067/ADM%2053-77067-0007_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77067/ADM%2053-77067-0008_1.jpg


And probably more interesting to most an odd little plan of the layout of one of the lower decks. This helps me to get an idea of what is kept where etc. Presumably it is also relevant to the other Cadmus sloops.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77067/ADM%2053-77067-0009_1.jpg
Enjoy!!
K
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 28 January 2011, 12:40:01
Neat to see a diagram of various sections of the ship. 
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: farrelly on 31 January 2011, 11:56:07
This appears at the beginning of the log for June, 1915, HMS Arlanza:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34113/ADM53-34113-003_1.jpg

Nothing interesting here, folks,  just move along, move along.

It's only a letter from the Captain transmitting the log.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 31 January 2011, 12:29:28
And probably more interesting to most an odd little plan of the layout of one of the lower decks. This helps me to get an idea of what is kept where etc. Presumably it is also relevant to the other Cadmus sloops.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77067/ADM%2053-77067-0009_1.jpg

I'm a fine one to complain about another's drawing skill, but it's not easy to tell which is the sharp end. Mention of the engine room is a help, though.

Bunts

Oops.
Just had a look at a photo:
http://www.naval-history.net/PhotoWW1-18slEspiegle1PS.JPG
I withdraw my complaint.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Caro on 01 February 2011, 12:28:19
If you find any of these also, please let us know so we can tell the science team.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67690/ADM%2053-67690-011_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: pliget on 01 February 2011, 13:59:27
HMS Constance, 10-Aug-1921 at Bermuda
Deviation Observations

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74049/ADM%2053-74049-167_0.jpg


HMS Constance, 11-Aug-1921 at Bermuda
Steering Compasses

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74049/ADM%2053-74049-167a_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74049/ADM%2053-74049-167a_1.jpg


HMS Constance, 27-Sep-1921 in St Lawrence River
Record of Observations for Deviation
Description and Position of Correctors

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74050/ADM%2053-74050-011_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74050/ADM%2053-74050-011_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74050/ADM%2053-74050-012_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74050/ADM%2053-74050-012_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74050/ADM%2053-74050-013_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Kathy on 01 February 2011, 19:57:08
Here is one of those Have Not Been Filmed notices -  For the Foxglove...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77618/ADM%2053-77618-0034_1.jpg

yours -

Kathy W.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: farrelly on 02 February 2011, 19:19:17
Utterly not fascinating - a report card for the engine room:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34113/ADM53-34113-019_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 02 February 2011, 19:46:08
I've never seen that!  Very Interesting.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 02 February 2011, 20:05:47
I vote for interesting, too.
Looks like she had three propellors, and the central one did the donkey work (as much as the port & starboard screws  added together)  averaging approx 180 r.p.m.
Presumably about the most economical speed. 
If the prognosis were correct, she would still have been running on the same boiler tubes when she was returned to civilian service in June 1920.
Great Stuff!

B
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: farrelly on 02 February 2011, 20:53:05
I still vote not interesting.

What do you talk about at dinner?

lol  ;D
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 02 February 2011, 21:09:47
Mmm guh mch mch gm mm!
Mmm!

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: mutabilitie on 03 February 2011, 03:12:43
I vote 'interesting to some people - presumably'.;)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 03 February 2011, 15:54:08
HMS Cadmus February 1914 At Tatung

1st  11:00 Assistant Paymaster A B de Veulle placed under arrest
2nd  Early A.M. reported missing, ship searched but not found
in log pages 5th Return of death (presumed) of A B de Veulle
I have produced a .jpg image of the return, if of interest where should I post it

LGB
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 03 February 2011, 16:01:50
Wow--the story of A B de Veulle seems really intriguing.

Foul play, or suicide? 

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 03 February 2011, 16:10:25
Who knows?

AB deV has a disciplinary history having been previously reprimanded for his failure to send a log book to the Admiralty on time.

He was only 29 and from the Channel Islands, there are still people of that name in the Channel Islands but I have not found any reference to a family historian.

It seems odd that he was placed under arrest and then was able to jump overboard, the logs give no indication of his misdemeanor but the Captain stopped en the way down river for discussions with the Consul - no reason given

LGB
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 03 February 2011, 16:16:35
HMS Cadmus February 1914 At Tatung

1st  11:00 Assistant Paymaster A B de Veulle placed under arrest
2nd  Early A.M. reported missing, ship searched but not found
in log pages 5th Return of death (presumed) of A B de Veulle
I have produced a .jpg image of the return, if of interest where should I post it

LGB

I read this to my husband pointing out that there could be a whole novel in events leading to this small group of entries.  He replied, "Ah, the haiku of history."  I think he may finally be beginning to understand my fascination with OW.   :)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Caro on 03 February 2011, 16:22:22
HMS Cadmus February 1914 At Tatung

1st  11:00 Assistant Paymaster A B de Veulle placed under arrest
2nd  Early A.M. reported missing, ship searched but not found
in log pages 5th Return of death (presumed) of A B de Veulle
I have produced a .jpg image of the return, if of interest where should I post it

LGB

Hi LGB
If this is a log entry, could you post a link in Riveting Log Entries please?
If it's on a separate sheet, post it here. Thanks.  ;)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Caro on 03 February 2011, 16:57:36
LGB, there are instructions here: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=536.msg4663#msg4663
Can you get to the log page in My Old Weather? If so, let me know and I'll send you more instructions
if you need them.  ;)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: pliget on 04 February 2011, 12:52:37
Back to the prosaic:

HMS Constance, Bermuda, 6th May 1922
Record of Observations for Deviation

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74050/ADM%2053-74050-125_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 05 February 2011, 15:25:21
Record of deviations from HMS "Cairo" for 9 May 1922

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-72184/ADM%2053-72184-071_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: dorbel on 08 February 2011, 10:26:30
HMS "Ophir" is fond of attaching a "memo to log". On April 5th 1915, the note records stopping SS "Cardiffiani" of Genova. Further examination revealed that she was in fact the "Cardiffian" from Britain and the extra letter and the Italian flag were an anti-submarine ruse!
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 08 February 2011, 11:00:53
Wow, a ship in disguise.  Wonder if such tactics ever backfired.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 08 February 2011, 16:49:15
The only time HMS Caronia boarded a US ship for inspection outside New York harbour, there was a more detailed than usual log stating that the ship had been flying a foreign flag at the time she was boarded.  Clearly a violation of their understanding of what was tolerable within our coastal waters.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 12 February 2011, 20:10:35
 ???
I'm not sure whether this is an example of "other misc in the logbooks" to be reported here, but the Merlin's log recently included a partial "Record of Observations" page (after 14 April 1914):

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49084/ADM%2053-49084-087_0.jpg

Can someone explain (to us landlubbers) what "observations" are being recorded?  One of the headings has been marked, "Bearing of a transit of two Islands"?
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 12 February 2011, 20:16:35
This page was partially scanned on two pages...

"...on every occasion of the ship being swung..."  Does this refer to a calibration of the compass, perhaps?

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 12 February 2011, 20:19:05
Blank "Description and Position of Correctors" page tucked into Merlin's log, near 14 April 1914:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49084/ADM%2053-49084-088_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 12 February 2011, 20:33:44
Can someone explain (to us landlubbers) what "observations" are being recorded?  One of the headings has been marked, "Bearing of a transit of two Islands"?
I found this older answer to a recurring question.  They are figuring out what deviations are needed to calculate a true compass direction from a magnetic compass in a steel ship.

Magnetic variation is the difference between true north (geographic north) and magnetic north. Deviation is the difference between magnetic north and ships compass north. It is due to the distortion of the magnetic field as it passes through the vaviaous metal parts of the ship before it gets to the compass.  Thus variation is different for every compass point on which the ship steers. When a ship comes out of dock she has her compass "Swung" which entails swinging the ship around a known point so that she points at at marks ashore the true direction of which is also known. A deviation table is then compiled. It follows that the table is applicable only to that specific ship at that specific time.
Hope I'm not teaching people to suck eggs........
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: farrelly on 12 February 2011, 21:32:25
This is actually part of the log - I've never seen anything written here before, though.  this is the log that covers Nov 1 - 19, 1915.  Arlanza has struck a mine* and salvage is underway in a small remote harbor off the White Sea. (after being iced in all winter, she does limp back to England, and is repaired & refitted for service, and finally finishes out the war.) Baggage and bedding are taken off, and the log ends Nov. 12, 1915.  It does pick up again, though,  in mid-December.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34118/ADM53-34118-002_1.jpg

*according to other things I've read.

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 12 February 2011, 22:19:51
How very interesting - the one time I saw that page used, TBD Torch had to justify using too much fuel while traveling very fast to relieve another ship on an emergency mission - getting VIPs to a very important conference that would eventually determine national borders.  I'm becoming convinced that only interesting stuff ends up here. :)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: farrelly on 13 February 2011, 01:21:59
Now that you mention it, in one of the very first log books I got the end pages of, Leviathan also had to justify using too much fuel.  I'd forgotten that.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 14 February 2011, 12:26:00
Can someone explain (to us landlubbers) what "observations" are being recorded?  One of the headings has been marked, "Bearing of a transit of two Islands"?
I found this older answer to a recurring question.  They are figuring out what deviations are needed to calculate a true compass direction from a magnetic compass in a steel ship.

Magnetic variation is the difference between true north (geographic north) and magnetic north. Deviation is the difference between magnetic north and ships compass north. It is due to the distortion of the magnetic field as it passes through the vaviaous metal parts of the ship before it gets to the compass.  Thus variation is different for every compass point on which the ship steers. When a ship comes out of dock she has her compass "Swung" which entails swinging the ship around a known point so that she points at at marks ashore the true direction of which is also known. A deviation table is then compiled. It follows that the table is applicable only to that specific ship at that specific time.
Hope I'm not teaching people to suck eggs........

Janet, Thank you so much.  This helped me visualize what the crew and ship were doing, and why it was important.

Carolyn
Title: Death on HMS Sapphire
Post by: LarryW on 14 February 2011, 17:16:55
HMS Sapphire - Bombay, India  6-Oct-1917

Court of Inquiry assembled to obtain evidence relating to death of Albert Fox Sto II.

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 14 February 2011, 17:28:21
LarryW, Welcome to the forum!

We cannot read the links to the pages you are editing, your work is shielded from our interference.  We have to see a JPG link.  Please post it here, and thank you for reporting it.

I hope the following from the Encyclopedia of Answers (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1173.0) will help.

To create a link to the '.jpg' format of any log page

For Internet Explorer users:
  Right click the image,
  click Properties at the bottom of the box,
  then copy the URL next to Address
  and paste it into your post.
For Firefox users:
  Right click the log page,
  click Copy Image Location,
  then paste it into your post.
For Chrome users:
  Right click the log page,
  click Copy image URL,
  then paste it into your post.       

For Macs, right click or ctrl+click the log page
  click Copy Image Address in Safari
  click Copy Image Location in Firefox
  then paste it into your post.

To create a link to any other picture or site page, follow the above instructions using that address URL.

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: farrelly on 15 February 2011, 13:49:11
Arlanza is still sitting in an anchorage off the White sea, having struck a mine in October, 1915.  This is the second time such a note has appeared in an end-of-the month page (this time for the second half of November, 1915) in the log book:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34119/ADM53-34119-002_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 16 February 2011, 13:41:17
First deviation table from Challenger in two halves.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37519/ADM%2053-37519-149_0.jpg

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37519/ADM%2053-37519-149_1.jpg

And still more

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37519/ADM%2053-37519-150_0.jpg

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37519/ADM%2053-37519-150_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: lead_bullet on 17 February 2011, 04:10:52
March, 21st, 1916... HMS Teutonic, Liverpool

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62733/ADM%2053-62733-013_1.jpg

One deserter brought on board by civil service... probably other HMS's crew, desertion not mentioned in previous days

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Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: lead_bullet on 17 February 2011, 14:29:51
HMS Teutonic, March, 28th 1916.... still in Liverpool
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62733/ADM%2053-62733-017_0.jpg

7.00 Rear Admiral Stileman visited ship with armed military guard in attendance.
7.30 All  [...] engineroom ratings were mustered by the bolger, and eight men who refused duty were removed to H. M. S. 'Eagle under military escort by order of Admiral Stileman

11.00 One man joined ship from [Devonport?]

It was the second serious disciplinary action I've seen following logs.

The Admiral mentioned was Rear-Admiral Sir Harry Hampson Stileman


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Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 February 2011, 14:42:30
"7.30 All  [Mercantile] engineroom ratings"
I think this means civilians working for the navy; they drafted so very many commercial ships into the navy, I'm not surprised they had to draft their crews at the same time.

And some of them, apparently, didn't like working for the navy.  I don't think they're going to enjoy the consequences of their rebellion any more than that.

"11.00 One man joined ship from [Devonport?]"
Devonport in Plymouth is one of the main home ports and barracks and depots.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 February 2011, 14:58:18
This should be posted in "letters" but the fate of Samuel Herbert Lang P.O.2 Cl. R.F.R  must be known here.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37519/ADM%2053-37519-155_0.jpg

Location: Ras Serani Lt.Ho. Bearing N13?W 6 1/2', ship turned to E.S.E.

Rest In Peace Samuel Herbert Lang.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: lead_bullet on 17 February 2011, 15:30:03
"7.30 All  [Mercantile] engineroom ratings"
I think this means civilians working for the navy; they drafted so very many commercial ships into the navy, I'm not surprised they had to draft their crews at the same time.

And some of them, apparently, didn't like working for the navy.  I don't think they're going to enjoy the consequences of their rebellion any more than that.

"11.00 One man joined ship from [Devonport?]"
Devonport in Plymouth is one of the main home ports and barracks and depots.

Thank You JJ :D
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: lead_bullet on 23 February 2011, 05:24:12
April, 14th 1916 HMS Teutonic, Scapa Flow

Court-martial on other H.M.S. mentioned...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62734/ADM%2053-62734-010_0.jpg

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Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 23 February 2011, 11:17:55
from HMS Southampton, a "map" of the ship:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-60721/ADM%2053-60721-006_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-60721/ADM%2053-60721-006_0.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-60721/ADM%2053-60721-006_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-60721/ADM%2053-60721-006_1.jpg)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 25 February 2011, 14:19:23
Interesting note from the Trent - a general servant sentenced to 1 month's leave stopped for breaking his leave.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63492/ADM%2053-63492-014_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63492/ADM%2053-63492-014_0.jpg)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: cyzaki on 26 February 2011, 04:23:07
Here's some misc:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-76851/ADM%2053-76851-0149_1.jpg

"Record of Observations for Deviation" from the Endeavour, 13/10/22

"After compass surrounded by odd pieces of steal + soft iron (Kedge anchors etc) - readings useless and unreliable."

Also, on the next page: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-76851/ADM%2053-76851-0150_0.jpg

And here: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-76851/ADM%2053-76851-0159_1.jpg

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-76851/ADM%2053-76851-0160_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 26 February 2011, 15:05:54
This list of "Gear Lost Overboard During Passage From Plymouth to Bermuda" was inserted in the Curlew's log and scanned with the page for Dec 21st, 1922. Interesting!
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 26 February 2011, 15:55:04
Coal, water and sick stats Victorian August 1914

Found these obscuring part of the log page for August 28th

LGB
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: lead_bullet on 26 February 2011, 17:18:35
Interesting note from the Trent - a general servant sentenced to 1 month's leave stopped for breaking his leave.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63492/ADM%2053-63492-014_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63492/ADM%2053-63492-014_0.jpg)

...another one from Trent: "S. Quinn broke leave & returned drunk"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63492/ADM%2053-63492-015_0.jpg

:( day after day...
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: lead_bullet on 27 February 2011, 02:31:22
The story goes on...
Trent, Sep, 13th 1915, Zanzibar
E. Arnold sentenced...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63492/ADM%2053-63492-020_0.jpg

lead_bullet
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: lead_bullet on 27 February 2011, 06:44:49
Should compass comparison be noted in Events?

Example:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63492/ADM%2053-63492-023_1.jpg

It's common, that Trent's location seems to be ashore...

lead_bullet
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 27 February 2011, 10:35:48
That one's new to me.  I'm guessing that neither the climatologists nor the historians will care about the variations between the ship's 3 compasses and so I wouldn't note it.  Because I'm quite sure warships also have multiple spare compasses, and they don't even mention the fact on their logs.  It isn't as if a compass is like a thermometer, where you can guess the temperature range if your instrument is broken or lost. :)

If I'm wrong, our experts will tell us.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 27 February 2011, 11:48:31
The first page of the log book after HMS Odin was recommissioned on March 6th 1914 in Muscat

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53180/ADM%2053-53180-004_1.jpg

And a plan layout of her lower deck

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53180/ADM%2053-53180-005_1.jpg

and more information about her. Sadly the lhs of the page is not scanned
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53180/ADM%2053-53180-006_1.jpg

K
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 28 February 2011, 05:15:21
From HMS Odin. Correction tables. C April 1914.

It is scanned over two pages.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53180/ADM%2053-53180-024_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53180/ADM%2053-53180-024_1.jpg

K
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 01 March 2011, 10:18:42
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77067/ADM%2053-77067-0106_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77067/ADM%2053-77067-0107_0.jpg

Deviations table for HMS Espiegle. December 1922.
In case it is of interest to those who fully understand these things there is also an entry relating to this, I think, in the log for the 14th of December

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77067/ADM%2053-77067-0107_1.jpg
See the 16.15 entry. Swung ship for deviations by Azimuths of Sun

HTH
K
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: mutabilitie on 06 March 2011, 02:54:56
Not really a misc, but a page with a large number of corrections, possibly due to an error in transcribing. Might be of interest to someone.
Patia, February 26th, 1917: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54567/ADM%2053-54567-017_0.jpg
Also, while I'm at it: March 1st-7th 1915 exist twice in the Patia's log, once at the end of the logbook containing all the January and February entries and once at the beginning of a new book which only contains March entries.
March 1st: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54543/ADM%2053-54543-038_0.jpg and http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54544/ADM%2053-54544-003_1.jpg
March 2nd: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54543/ADM%2053-54543-038_1.jpg and http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54544/ADM%2053-54544-004_0.jpg
March 3rd: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54543/ADM%2053-54543-039_0.jpg and http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54544/ADM%2053-54544-004_1.jpg
March 4th: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54543/ADM%2053-54543-039_1.jpg and http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54544/ADM%2053-54544-005_0.jpg
March 5th: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54543/ADM%2053-54543-040_0.jpg and http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54544/ADM%2053-54544-005_1.jpg
March 6th: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54543/ADM%2053-54543-040_1.jpg and http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54544/ADM%2053-54544-006_0.jpg
March 7th: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54543/ADM%2053-54543-041_0.jpg and http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54544/ADM%2053-54544-006_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 06 March 2011, 07:36:12
The 2-month book is probably an original log, the 1-month book probably a copy log.  This doubling up is not uncommon when both types of logs are used on the ship - please transcribe both, it helps the team.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: mutabilitie on 06 March 2011, 10:17:44
The 2-month book is probably an original log, the 1-month book pobably a copy log.  This doubling up is not uncommon when both types of logs are used on the ship - please transcribe both, it helps the team.
Oh, I already did that a month ago.;) I just thought it might be helpful to mention it here. It hasn't happened again in the two years since then, though.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 06 March 2011, 19:28:26
I'm copying this post from the faulty scans thread - it needs to be in both places, I think.

Quote
As already reported by Janet from my earlier plea for help, HMS Kinfauns Castle's log from September 1914 only scans half of each log page. To get the complete picture you either need to transcribe each day twice, one with weather and lat/long location and one with date, port and events; or sometimes copy the weather readings onto paper, 'finish' the page and transcribe the previously noted weather data together with the remainder and events etc. This is ok if somewhat laborious, but now I have this....


Left side: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45698/ADM%2053-45698-066_0.jpg  &
Right side: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45698/ADM%2053-45698-066_1.jpg

Absolutely no chance of transcribing this letter, so hoping the 'team' can do something with the scans. Thanks.
Best I could do and it still be readable, was paste the top half and the bottom half together separately.  (I do really like my Capture program, that lets me position stickies for composites! :) )
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 07 March 2011, 02:59:20
Just a note in the events column...

Warrent of William Mitchell Sea RNR. awarded 3 days cells.
(by the way, in the text the last 'l' doesn't really look like an 'l', but I don't know what else it could be)

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34546/ADM%2053-34546-004_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Caro on 07 March 2011, 04:14:14

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67693/ADM%2053-67693-032_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67693/ADM%2053-67693-032_1.jpg

Science team notified.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 07 March 2011, 15:09:57
Opposite 3rd November 1921 log page of Espiegle - don't know whether it's of any interest.  We're at Kilindini in east Africa

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77065/ADM%2053-77065-0126_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 07 March 2011, 15:36:44
Hi Helen

I recorded the same thing on page 4 of this thread. You may be interested in the comments that followed.

H Kohler thinks that they are the numbers for signal flags hoisted.

HTH
K
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 07 March 2011, 15:56:27
Thanks, Tegwen, I'll go and have a look.

Helen J
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 10 March 2011, 14:36:20
HMS Curlew

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-74710/ADM53-74710-014_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-74710/ADM53-74710-014_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-74710/ADM53-74710-013_0.jpg

(I accidently posted the edit pages earlier).
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 13 March 2011, 16:28:38
Record of observations for deviation, June 2nd 1922, Espiegle, Bombay

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77067/ADM%2053-77067-0007_0.jpg

Plus Description and Position of Correctors

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77067/ADM%2053-77067-0008_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: cyzaki on 16 March 2011, 08:20:45
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-76852/ADM%2053-76852-0072_1.jpg

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-76852/ADM%2053-76852-0073_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 16 March 2011, 14:29:44
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53180/ADM%2053-53180-154_1.jpg

Not quite sure what it is. Possibly something to do with speed trials, as those speeds are pretty much top speed for a Cadmus sloop.

The back side of it is blank but just in case

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53180/ADM%2053-53180-155_0.jpg

K
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 March 2011, 15:44:05
A wonderfully detailed description of how to rescue a grounded ship:

Hi Mutabilitie

It could be interesting to know how H.M.S. Manica and H.M.S. Thistle got aground.  :)
I only remember the Manica running aground and being towed away (and I think we spotted the Thistle later and they said they didn't want any help - muppets). But I don't think there was any detailed mention of how it happened in the log. Hang on, I'll try to look it up...

Edit: Yes, as I remembered. There's a detailed account of what happened after they ran aground, but that's it:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48166/ADM%2053-48166-013_0.jpg
Edit2: And here's the Thistle turning down our offer of help:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48166/ADM%2053-48166-018_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Kathy on 19 March 2011, 11:36:19
This from the log of the Foxglove: 

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77623/ADM%2053-77623-0032_1.jpg

Yours -

Kathy W.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 19 March 2011, 13:12:51
I get those periodically, especially when they are original logs.  I don't know if they count as inserts made by the log-keeper, although I always transcribe them so the team knows what happened to the rest of the book.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: LarryW on 21 March 2011, 16:53:57
Court of Inquiry on HMS Sapphire at Brindisi

February 22, 1916: "9.35 Court of Inquiry assembled onboard under Capt. P.W. Hill R.N."

Unfortunately, there is no further information or explanation.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: mutabilitie on 21 March 2011, 17:01:32
There never is, unfortunately.:(
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 22 March 2011, 20:48:21
Any enthusiastic auditors about?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38927/ADM%2053-38927-032_1.jpg

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 22 March 2011, 20:52:55
Any enthusiastic auditors about? The sequel:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38927/ADM%2053-38927-033_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: mutabilitie on 23 March 2011, 02:59:23
Why is there a stamp that appears to say '1821'? ???
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 23 March 2011, 22:00:07
I think it's "1921" with a flaw in the rubber stamp, connecting the '1' and '9'.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 23 March 2011, 22:05:20
If you really, really, really enlarge it, you'll see that the "8" is probably a "9" that's got some foreign matter adhered to to the stamp that has infilled it.
(I used to clean the bits of gunge out of my date stamp with a pin. My only concession to cleanliness.)

JJ beat me to it.
Blast it!
 
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 23 March 2011, 22:48:17
Wonderful drawings of the ship's decks and full ship's inventory for HMS Curlew at
 http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1344.msg14595#msg14595
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 24 March 2011, 17:35:49
"Naval Signal" record in the log of the Merlin:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49087/ADM%2053-49087-015_1.jpg

Can anyone explain what this record is actually about?
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 25 March 2011, 06:51:16
Those little Naval signal chits seem to be the scrap paper of the day and there are a few examples of them stuck in the back of logs with odd things written on them.

My best guess for this would be that it is someones working for calculating either distances run or calculated positions from sightings. For example there is the word Arcturus, which I think is a star, so that may be the records of a star sighting. However, I dont know enough about how those sums were done to understand them fully.

Hope this helps

K
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 25 March 2011, 07:54:33
Yes, thank you.  Arcturus is "the brightest star in the constellation Bootes."   In fact, there was an earlier note on one of Merlin's pages where (if I remember correctly) the log keeper said the latitude was calculated using the north star and longitude using Arcturus.   
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: farrelly on 27 March 2011, 14:46:18
Wonganella: letter inserted describing items lost overboard during the sinking of the "Statesman":

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68925/ADM%2053-68925-012_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 27 March 2011, 15:59:11
They did well during a difficult procedure.  When destroyer Torch towed, then stranded on a sand bar, a Russion destroyer "Shast Livi" (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=718.msg8839;topicseen#msg8839) full of White Russian refugees, their loss sheet was 2 pages closely spaced - and much more expensive.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 27 March 2011, 17:55:52
From the log of Cadmus, 31 January, 1918
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36540/ADM%2053-36540-017_1.jpg

The first time I have seen such detail in a warrant

"Warrant for 7 days cells read by Lieut Redgrove against S Sims Sto 1st class S.S."

LGB
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 28 March 2011, 00:55:40
Cadmus September 1920

Detailed specification page in what appears to be an "early" log book, other vessels seem to have a different page layout and are only infrequently completed

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-72182/ADM%2053-72182-004_1.jpg

Addendum

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-72182/ADM%2053-72182-005_1.jpg

Page detailing armaments, ship's complement, etc

LGB
(Insomniac)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 28 March 2011, 01:50:08
I love pages like this, they are filled out so rarely.  They make the ships feel more real in my here-and-now.

I did notice 2 odd facts.  First, neither page is signed nor are any officers' names inserted - only a title on the second one.  Second, this is not an old log - it's a new one.  Printed 1919. ;)

JJ
fellow insomniac
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 29 March 2011, 12:28:00
Compass Adjustments


Found in log of "Roxburgh" in vicinity of pages for 6th, 7th December , 1916

Between Bermuda and Kingston, Jamaica

LHS of "Record of Observations For Deviation"

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58509/ADM%2053-58509-007_0.jpg

RHS of "Record of Observations For Deviation"

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58509/ADM%2053-58509-007_1.jpg


LHS of Description and Position of Correctors

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58509/ADM%2053-58509-008_0.jpg

RHS of Description and Position of Correctors

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58509/ADM%2053-58509-008_1.jpg

This is the most detailed record of compass adjustment I have come across so far, split across two pages
as were the logs for 6th & 7th December
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 29 March 2011, 17:15:21
Merlin's log, 28 November 1918:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49090/ADM%2053-49090-003_0.jpg

Table of Deviations
Obtained from Port & Starboard swings Hong Kong
28 November 1918

Dev. West                     Dev. East
2 ?             North                -
1 ?            NNE                -
1 ?            NE                -
1 ?            ENE                -
2            East                -
2            ESE                -
1 ?            SE                -
?            SSE                -
-            South               ?
-            SSW               1
-            SW                1?
-            WSW               ?
NIL            West               NIL
1            WNW            
1 ?            NW            
2 ?             NNW


            (signature): B Gordon, Lieut
                      Navigating Officer

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 29 March 2011, 18:29:31
I'm impressed!  That's the first time I've seen someone transcribe one of the charts! :)

If that's what interests you, go for it.  I did that for a number of routine things just to fully comprehend what I'm reading.  But, FYI, compass deviations depend on the metal distribution within the ship, not on its location or the weather.

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: mutabilitie on 29 March 2011, 18:53:40
Nothing major (or indeed particularly interesting), but transcribing errors are meant to go here as well, right?
This writer has transcribed several wrong entries and then crossed them out again in the neatest way possible:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54575/ADM%2053-54575-014_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 30 March 2011, 10:21:38
I'm impressed!  That's the first time I've seen someone transcribe one of the charts! :)

If that's what interests you, go for it.  I did that for a number of routine things just to fully comprehend what I'm reading.  But, FYI, compass deviations depend on the metal distribution within the ship, not on its location or the weather.

This was the first (and will probably be the only) time that I transcribe one of these charts.  There was another one a page later containing computation for coal usage at various speeds.  The numbers were developed in 1904 when the ship was "tested".  I had no idea how to put the chart into an "event" and make it come out in a way that would make sense, so did not transcribe that.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: ElisabethB on 30 March 2011, 14:53:14
From the HMS Crescent, November 11th 1914
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38865/ADM%2053-38865-148_0.jpg
and
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38865/ADM%2053-38865-148_1.jpg
We did have winds up to 11 !  ;) :D

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Kathy on 30 March 2011, 14:57:26
 :o :o - 2 complete boats with their gear - that must have been some gale!

yours -

Kathy W.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: ElisabethB on 30 March 2011, 15:09:39
Yup, I'm still feeling a bit queasy !  ;D
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 30 March 2011, 16:03:10
Record of deviation, Espiegle, December 1922

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77067/ADM%2053-77067-0106_1.jpg

and Description and Position of Correctors

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77067/ADM%2053-77067-0107_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: cyzaki on 02 April 2011, 11:16:29
Information about HMS Rosario:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58283/ADM%2053-58283-077_1.jpg

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58284/ADM%2053-58284-002_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: mutabilitie on 03 April 2011, 04:18:29
Another deletion. This time the person who copied the log must have skipped ahead several pages, because an earlier entry said that people had been given leave until the 15th, so presumably the Patia won't be leaving Devonport until then. ???
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54578/ADM%2053-54578-008_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 07 April 2011, 05:56:56
7 Deserters for trial sentenced 90 days detention.
(also several transfers of prisoners)

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34554/ADM%2053-34554-009_0.jpg
HMS Avoca, 12 April 1917, Esquimalt B.C.


Busy day...
Lamptrimmer Melrose (Mercantile rating) in cells refusing duty.

prisoner Melrose taken from cell. placed in sick bay.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 09 April 2011, 13:20:24
Record of observations for deviation from Espiegle in Bombay on 8th April 1923

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77067/ADM%2053-77067-0165_0.jpg
Title: Funeral on HMS Clio at Colombo, Ceylon
Post by: LarryW on 09 April 2011, 14:28:33
Funeral of Stoker F.C. Holmes who drowned by accident in Colombo harbour.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 09 April 2011, 18:11:10
Thank you, .  I'll copy your post in the Burials at sea (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=671.msg15783#msg15783) thread.

Naval-History.net has this:
Clio, sloop
 HOLMES, Frederick C, Stoker 1c, K 11345, drowned, buried at Colombo

RIP, Frederick Holmes
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: farrelly on 09 April 2011, 20:09:49
7 Deserters for trial sentenced 90 days detention.
(also several transfers of prisoners)

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34554/ADM%2053-34554-009_0.jpg
HMS Avoca, 12 April 1917, Esquimalt B.C.


Busy day...
Lamptrimmer Melrose (Mercantile rating) in cells refusing duty.

prisoner Melrose taken from cell. placed in sick bay.


All of that is truly fascinating - there's a book -- or at least a short story --there!!  have you done any research about this? No surprise if there's nothing.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: farrelly on 10 April 2011, 18:08:28
from Wonganella:

Calculations of oil usage?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68927/ADM%2053-68927-048_1.jpg

and on the reverse:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68927/ADM%2053-68927-049_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 17 April 2011, 13:03:10
The addresses of the first two pages (LH & RH) of a signal book from Philomel

LGB

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 April 2011, 13:50:50
Really interesting, they show Confidential Admiralty Orders were delivered!  Maybe the historians can track the full book down?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-55291/ADM%2053-55291-015_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-55291/ADM%2053-55291-015_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-55291/ADM%2053-55291-016_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-55291/ADM%2053-55291-016_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: cyzaki on 19 April 2011, 12:48:59
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58293/ADM%2053-58293-005_1.jpg

Information about the Rosario.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: dorbel on 20 April 2011, 12:52:20
On the 1st march 1915, HMS "Victorian" entered harbour at Gibraltar. However the next page has, "This log discontinued by Admiralty Orders". Then we get the 1st March again, so there are two different pages with that date.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 20 April 2011, 21:00:24
Do you have the JPEG links for those pages, Dorbel?  I, and probably the historians, am interested.  I'd guess that they were discontinuing a book - which makes me very curious as to why.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 20 April 2011, 21:12:16
This may not be of any value, but on the second page preceding 1 July 1920 in HMS Moorhen was the following note:

"Rough log lost overboard during heavy squall night 31st July - 1st Aug
Copy of log had at the time, been only completed to 15th July.  Remainder is
made out from Navigating Officer's notebook."

Here is the page:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49933/ADM%2053-49933-002_1.jpg

Jeff
Title: Log Discontinued
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 20 April 2011, 23:03:30
I have found a similar entry, it may even have been for "Victorian"

From my rocky memory, I recall that the first page was the day on which the crew was paid off and the second when when a new crew took over.

lgb
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: cyzaki on 23 April 2011, 04:07:50
More info about Rosario:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58294/ADM%2053-58294-004_1.jpg
Title: Cadmus - detailed Warrant
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 25 April 2011, 06:52:02
Detailed warrant from "Cadmus"

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36543/ADM%2053-36543-006_0.jpg

lgb
Title: Cadmus detailed warrants
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 25 April 2011, 12:25:22
Log of Cadmus, 16 April, 1918, Sandakhan


05:50   Warrants Nos 6, 7, & 8 read by Acting Com. R.H. Hilliard, R.N. on J Pratt, A.B., G. Dilley, Sto and J. Allen Sto. respectively


13:40   Warrants Nos 9 & 10 read by Lieut Simpson R.N.R. on F Hodges A.B. and R Finch A.B. respectively


http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36543/ADM%2053-36543-010_0.jpg

Also posted in "If you find letters,   "

lgb
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 25 April 2011, 12:35:05
The detailed listings, combined with the later
    "6.15 Discharged above ratings to Govt. prison"
    "3.45 Sent above ratings to Govt. prison"
seems to mean something very serious happened - that kind of detail and report of their punishment is very rare.  I wish we could know what!
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 25 April 2011, 14:35:31
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53207/ADM%2053-53207-002_1.jpg

Just a set of speed and coal consumption figures for HMS Odin from the start of the book for April 1917.

K
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 25 April 2011, 17:33:12
Cadmus - Janet's Post 189

Cadmus was a relatively small vessel with a complement of about 120, this would imply that the Brig was correspondingly small which would have made it difficult to accommodate 5 people who may not have been on speaking terms.  Nevertheless, whatever the reason it must have been some spectacular event

lgb

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 25 April 2011, 17:42:09
I hadn't thought about the brig size - if there had been a brawl and only 2 cells to pack everyone in, I'd separate them that quickly also. 8)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 26 April 2011, 09:50:26
HMS Lancaster - 2 July 1914 - Bermuda
Landed 5 marines + 1 stoker for detention + read warrants nos 75 76 77 78
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45999/ADM%2053-45999-151_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Kathy on 26 April 2011, 16:22:22
Not a special page inserted into the log, but I don't remember seeing this info before - speed/distance/coal usage for the Foxglove

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77628/ADM%2053-77628-0002_1.jpg

Kathy W.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 26 April 2011, 21:31:32
I've seen them several times when working off of original logs.  Anytime they are ordered to get somewhere fast, they have to write out a full explanation of all the extra fuel they burned. ;D
Title: Another detailed Warrant from Cadmus
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 27 April 2011, 04:10:25
26th February, 1918 Singapore

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36541/ADM%2053-36541-015_0.jpg

Lieut Bridges vs Ldg Sea Revett

lgb
Title: Trivia from Cadmus
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 29 April 2011, 04:43:06
Trivia found in log of Cadmus, end July 1918

ex Meridian Almanac LHS

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36546/ADM%2053-36546-018_0.jpg

& RHS

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36546/ADM%2053-36546-018_1.jpg

Scrap paper calculations

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36546/ADM%2053-36546-019_0.jpg

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36546/ADM%2053-36546-019_0.jpg

Coal Calculations LHS

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36546/ADM%2053-36546-020_0.jpg

& RHS

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36546/ADM%2053-36546-020_1.jpg

lgb
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: ElisabethB on 30 April 2011, 11:50:29
HMS Comus
A typed list of items lost overboard during heavy weather Jan. 8 & 9, 1921
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-73934/ADM%2053-73934-053_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Jeff on 02 May 2011, 17:03:15
List of Warrant Shipwright Stores lost at sea from HMS Cairo 12-19-1919.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36612/0034_1.jpg

This was inserted into the log on a Naval Signal note paper earlier in Dec, apparenty in a clear plastic page as the reverse side is photographed on the next log page.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 04 May 2011, 13:10:24
A list lost overboard H.M.S. Bristol in heavy weather.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36130/ADM%2053-36130-005_0.jpg

Unfortunately the page was not scanned without the list. The bad weather must have started about midnight the 3rd november 1915:

SSE 8-10 ocp State of the sea: 9 6 Barometer 27.52/73 Temperatures: 64-63-62
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 04 May 2011, 13:16:59
Wow. that's the lowest barometer reading I've seen.
That will hamper deck cleaning activity.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 04 May 2011, 13:35:38
A sequel to my last post. Maybe more to come. I will add them as I find them.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36130/ADM%2053-36130-006_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 05 May 2011, 05:39:58
Record of disciplinary action.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38070/ADM%2053-38070-142_0.jpg

Entered(?) Mr Richard Murphy Gunner for insubordination to Commander A. W. Lewis RN by order of C in C.
Signed by R Murphy. Gr and initialed by AWL.

No record of the offence and so far none of any other punishment than being entered in the log & having to sign it.

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Kathy on 05 May 2011, 10:29:02
From the Foxglove:
front side:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77629/ADM%2053-77629-0034_1.jpg

and the back side:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77629/ADM%2053-77629-0035_0.jpg

Kathy W.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 06 May 2011, 18:19:38
From HMS Cricket. April 1917

Armament list etc
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48256/ADM%2053-48256-005_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 06 May 2011, 18:24:36
and

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48256/ADM%2053-48256-007_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48256/ADM%2053-48256-007_1.jpg

List of items lost overboard in April/May 1917
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: cyzaki on 07 May 2011, 03:42:01
Misc in Teutonic's logs:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62724/ADM%2053-62724-006_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 09 May 2011, 21:04:39
Vista Magic needed, please.
Two half pages dear to my heart - specifying recommended signal flags:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48257/ADM%2053-48257-143_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48257/ADM%2053-48257-143_1.jpg

How could anyone be expected to learn/remember this lot? There must have been a list tucked in the flag locker; and another on the bridge for the ship to read others' signals.
Radio must have been a great improvement, especially in the dark.

Wouldn't you know it?
The following image shows the complete page; unfortunately, it's print through on the back of the page. 
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48257/ADM%2053-48257-144_0.jpg


Belay the Last Pipe!              Belay the Last Pipe!                    Belay the Last Pipe!             Belay the Last Pipe!
The following page is complete and the right way round.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48257/ADM%2053-48257-144_1.jpg 

And an explanation:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48257/ADM%2053-48257-145_1.jpg

Code source:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48257/ADM%2053-48257-146_1.jpg

Second Draft? I'm losing count (and the will to live)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48257/ADM%2053-48257-147_1.jpg

Aaaargh
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48257/ADM%2053-48257-148_1.jpg

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 09 May 2011, 21:08:54
 :o :o :o
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 10 May 2011, 06:54:14
 :-[
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 11 May 2011, 13:37:03
HMS Foxglove, 18th of April 1923 Compass Deviation: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77629/ADM%2053-77629-0093_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 15 May 2011, 03:14:09
Lancaster - 20 Nov 1914
Read warrant No 112. Discharged 1 Stoker to civil prison.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 17 May 2011, 08:06:13
Disciplinary action, Venus log, 18 September 1916, http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67173/ADM%2053-67173-012_0.jpg

Severely reprimanded Mr. W.F. Williams Artificer Engineer for Conduct unbecoming an officer in HM Service.  KNR (initials) for 1. Having left the Sanatorium the Peak where he was under Medical Care--without obtaining permission -- or Leave--.  2. for embarking and using to go off to SS Empress of Russia  a Steam Launch--awaiting orders for His Excellency the Governor-- and utilizing another steam launch to come onshore again (signed) W. F. Williams
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Kathy on 19 May 2011, 10:00:46
Compass deviations for Foxglove July 25, 1923 -

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77629/ADM%2053-77629-0143_1.jpg

Kathy W.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 20 May 2011, 11:45:57
Clio's log, 13 February 1917:  http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38070/ADM%2053-38070-117_1.jpg

11.30 Placed Mr Murphy, Gunner under arrest.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 20 May 2011, 12:25:57
Clio's log, 19 February 1917: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38070/ADM%2053-38070-120_1.jpg

Read warrant No 11 & discharged 1 prisoner to detention.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 21 May 2011, 09:11:03
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-66575/ADM%2053-66575-002_0.jpg

Certification that this is a true copy of the log from HMS Usk. Jan 1916
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Carrie32 on 22 May 2011, 04:46:34
Borrowing money, prejudicing good order and discipline.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-73187/ADM%2053-73187-174_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 23 May 2011, 16:46:45
Two halves of a curious little note from HMS Mantis. 1917 in the Tigris near Baghdad

She has recently been aground so I guess this is the report of the loss of a cable that parted during the recovery, but that isnt recorded in the logs I have transcribed.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48256/ADM%2053-48256-050_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48256/ADM%2053-48256-050_1.jpg

K
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: LupusUK on 24 May 2011, 12:59:32
HMS Vindictive 5th June 1915. Record of observations for deviation: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67575/ADM%2053-67575-004_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: lead_bullet on 25 May 2011, 09:03:41
HMS Teutonic, January 1915

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62720/075_1.jpg

lead_bullet
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 27 May 2011, 14:42:00
Avoca - 3 Mar 1917 - Esquimalt

Warrants on seamen Lee + Taylor read to ship's company

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34553/ADM%2053-34553-004_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 28 May 2011, 10:30:44
Caution for Sub Lieut Roxburgh for "Conduct unbecoming an officer" on HMS Odin. March 1919, in the Red Sea.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53227/ADM%2053-53227-048a_0.jpg

Thoughts from Sub Roxburgh...... Oh No!! The caution and the entry in the log I can stand, but please not the Turquoise ink!!!
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...Compass deviations
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 31 May 2011, 09:24:44
Compass Deviation Papers from Cadmus, August 1914

Position 31 30n  122 20e,  Shaweishan

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69481/ADM53-69481-168_0.jpg

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69481/ADM53-69481-168_1.jpg

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69481/ADM53-69481-169_0.jpg

lgb
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: cyzaki on 31 May 2011, 11:22:04
HMS Colombo

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38226/ADM%2053-38226-148_0.jpg

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38226/ADM%2053-38226-148_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 31 May 2011, 15:58:52
Avoca At Esquimalt:

22 Mar 1917:
Hooper, Bray, Wren, + Mould leavebreakers returned on board.

23 Mar 1917:  http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34553/ADM%2053-34553-014_1.jpg
(this must have been a very bad day, there are lots of corrections on this page)
7:30 - Liberty men returned on board (Sig Edmunds and Fireman McGinnis adrift)
9:00 - Let go Starboard anchor and 15 fathoms cable, vessel dragging her foremost moorings
11:45 - Fireman McGinnis returned on board 4.75 hrs absent over leave
3:00 Carried out careful search in and around magazines --- just what were they searching for???
4:30 - Warrant 22 read on Private Skeins RMLI
11:15 POs returned aboard (Sig Edmunds absent from leave. Ships Corporal went ashore on Duty.

24 Mar 1917
Prisoner Skeins and escort left for shore
Sig Edmunds still adrift absent over leave 26 hrs
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks. Compass Corrections
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 01 June 2011, 23:05:48
Compass deviation papers - Cadmus - September 1914 Sulu Sea

18 September, 1914  Compass correction record - Cadmus in Sulu Sea

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69481/ADM53-69481-187_0.jpg

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69481/ADM53-69481-187_1.jpg

lgb
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...Victorian Feb 1916
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 02 June 2011, 10:42:57
27 Feb 1916 - Victorian - Compass Deviations - SE of Iceland

lgb
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 03 June 2011, 21:44:27
Clio's log, 24 June 1916: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38069/ADM53-38069-230_0.jpg

1.50 Read Warrant No 1
2.0 Discharged prisoner to Juno for cells.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 04 June 2011, 02:54:47
Avoca - 11 April, 1917 - Esquimalt
Warrants 23 to 28 (inclusive) read
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 04 June 2011, 14:47:09
Friday the 13'th on Avoca in Esquimalt BC

Unlucky for some:
8:00 Warrants No 29 to 36 inclusive read
9:00 Escort and 9 prisoners left ship
4:00 Warrants No 37 + 38 read
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 04 June 2011, 20:08:51
During World War 2, there was a saying in Britain when things were not entirely to one's satisfaction:
"Don't you know there's a war on?"

This is the sort of thing that inspired it: checking a destroyer's fuel consumption.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 04 June 2011, 21:39:27
I think these are associated with post #232
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57779/ADM%2053-57779-012_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57779/ADM%2053-57779-012_1.jpg

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 05 June 2011, 02:37:13
I think these are associated with post #232

http://www.oldweather.org/classify/edit/4deadd131d29f3764100663b
http://www.oldweather.org/classify/edit/4deadd2a1d29f3764100663c

Wrong addresses!
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 05 June 2011, 02:55:21
Lancaster - 2 Oct, 1914 - Halifax
Read Warrant No 99.

Lancaster - 30 Oct, 1914 - On New York Patrol
Read Warrant No 105.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks..Intro Pages
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 05 June 2011, 06:18:38
I have come across the opening pages of the log book produced in 1918 in the logs of "Cairo" for 1921.  I don't recollect seeing them in this style previously.  Sadly the pages have not been completed

1918 Log "Ship Spec Page" - Paddlewheels etc

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-72183/ADM%2053-72183-003_1.jpg

How to complete log

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-72183/ADM%2053-72183-004_0.jpg

Establishment, armaments and instruments page - blank

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-72183/ADM%2053-72183-004_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 05 June 2011, 07:55:22
I think these are associated with post #232

http://www.oldweather.org/classify/edit/4deadd131d29f3764100663b
http://www.oldweather.org/classify/edit/4deadd2a1d29f3764100663c

The links seem to be the ones for your edits, not the links to the page images.  Could you re-post?
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 05 June 2011, 09:45:27
I think these are associated with post #232

http://www.oldweather.org/classify/edit/4deadd131d29f3764100663b
http://www.oldweather.org/classify/edit/4deadd2a1d29f3764100663c

Wrong addresses!


O-o-oh! Ta.
I've amended the posting so no one will know what a pudding I am.
You can keep a secret, can't you?
Your reward herewith:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57779/ADM%2053-57779-012_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57779/ADM%2053-57779-012_1.jpg
 :-*
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 05 June 2011, 09:53:47
I think these are associated with post #232

http://www.oldweather.org/classify/edit/4deadd131d29f3764100663b
http://www.oldweather.org/classify/edit/4deadd2a1d29f3764100663c

The links seem to be the ones for your edits, not the links to the page images.  Could you re-post?


Harrumph!
That randi_2 can't keep a secret.
Ta.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 05 June 2011, 12:25:44
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53229/ADM%2053-53229-004_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53229/ADM%2053-53229-005_1.jpg

Log opening pages from HMS Odin, from Sept 1919.

There has been a 2.5 month gap since she was paid off.

K
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 05 June 2011, 16:50:57
I have not seen "opening pages" for any of my previous ships; thanks for posting these--they're fun to look at.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 05 June 2011, 17:14:03
You are welcome.

I suspect that Odin has lost 2 x 4", 2 x 3pdr and some maxim guns during the refit, so she will now be less heavily armed than Clio.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Geoff on 06 June 2011, 03:53:17
From HMS Dwarf, 26 April 1922:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-76507/ADM%2053-76507-0132_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-76507/ADM%2053-76507-0132_1.jpg)

Looks like a list of readings to adjust the compass - whatever it is it blocked out the page so no weather information for this date  :(
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 06 June 2011, 10:49:39
31 October, 1921, Hong Kong, Cadmus Compass Corrections

Description and position of correctors sheet - not completed

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-72183/ADM%2053-72183-027_0.jpg


RHS

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-72183/ADM%2053-72183-026_1.jpg


LHS not in sequence (Yet)

lgb
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 06 June 2011, 13:47:27
14th February 1917, Challenger is in dry dock in Simons Town.
'Simons Town patrol returned with one prisoner (Trent).'

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37520/ADM53-37520-0187_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 07 June 2011, 10:36:25
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53229/ADM%2053-53229-016_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53229/ADM%2053-53229-017_0.jpg

Deviations table etc for HMS Odin, Sept 1919 in Gibraltar.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 08 June 2011, 03:12:13
From log of "Cairo"  December 1921 - Completed "Armaments" page

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-72184/ADM%2053-72184-005_1.jpg

lgb
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 08 June 2011, 11:00:10
16 April 1917

Roxburgh is in Bermuda, and has been for some weeks.

The disciplinary entries relating to Mr Dodd seem unusual in that the entry has been repeated in red with minor changes to the original entry, the date of the offence is different and the original includes "statement".

The entry in red appears to have been added 3 months after the event, presumably when the log reached London

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58513/ADM%2053-58513-011_0.jpg

lgb
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 08 June 2011, 12:24:51
16 April 1917

Roxburgh is in Bermuda, and has been for some weeks.

The disciplinary entries relating to Mr Dodd seem unusual in that the entry has been repeated in red with minor changes to the original entry, the date of the offence is different and the original includes "statement".

The entry in red appears to have been added 3 months after the event, presumably when the log reached London

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58513/ADM%2053-58513-011_0.jpg

lgb
 


I note that JJ did not include her comment so I shall risk putting words into her posting.
Apart from the missing "statement", the surname of the offender is changed from "Dodd" in the original note to "Todd" in the amendment. That seems a good reason for correcting the log.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 08 June 2011, 13:05:21
16 April 1917

Roxburgh is in Bermuda, and has been for some weeks.

The disciplinary entries relating to Mr Dodd seem unusual in that the entry has been repeated in red with minor changes to the original entry, the date of the offence is different and the original includes "statement".

The entry in red appears to have been added 3 months after the event, presumably when the log reached London

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-58513/ADM%2053-58513-011_0.jpg

lgb
 


I note that JJ did not include her comment so I shall risk putting words into her posting.
Apart from the missing "statement", the surname of the offender is changed from "Dodd" in the original note to "Todd" in the amendment. That seems a good reason for correcting the log.

Indeed it does
lgb
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 08 June 2011, 15:48:39
Compass corrections for Challenger, 28th March 1917 in Simonstown/Simons Bay

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37520/ADM53-37520-0210_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37520/ADM53-37520-0211_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 08 June 2011, 16:06:43
Avoca - 3 May, 1917
Warrants No 43 + 44 read.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Caro on 09 June 2011, 12:17:02
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34123/ADM53-34123-006_1.jpg

Arlanza, Yukanskie Inner Anchorage, April 6, 1916
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: tastiger on 09 June 2011, 17:04:49
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63337/ADM%2053-63337-014_1.jpg
List of things lost in Schast Livi sinking.
This was probably already mentioned by Janet Jaguar.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: tastiger on 09 June 2011, 21:54:37
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63339/ADM%2053-63339-002_0.jpg
I haven't seen too much of these.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 09 June 2011, 22:12:01
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63339/ADM%2053-63339-002_0.jpg
I haven't seen too much of these.



Brief and to the point, unlike some.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 10 June 2011, 08:57:38
"Victorian"
Whenever Victorian takes on coal there is a log entry in red indicating that gear has been inspected and found to be correct.  I include it as I have not seen such an entry on other coal fired vessels
lgb

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67390/ADM%2053-67390-011_1.jpg

Co-incidence or what?
"Roxburgh" 18 June, 1917
Tested coaling gear - correct
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 11 June 2011, 15:15:56
Lancaster - 26 Dec 1914

Read Warrants Nos 118, 119

I wonder if the Christmas party got out of hand - all they mentioned was Divine Services.
Number on Sick List went from 6 on the 24'th, to 9 on the 25'th, to 11 on the 26'th, to 12 on the 27'th, and then back down to 9 on the 28'th.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 15 June 2011, 17:31:09
Coal consumption figures from H.M.S. Bristol

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69477/ADM53-69477-003_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 16 June 2011, 14:46:53
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53229/ADM%2053-53229-040_1.jpg

Logged & cautioned Sub Lieut A. C. Walch as to his behaviour on shore on the night of the 6th Nov 1919. Signed A. C. Walch Sub Lieut.

Whatever it was he did I think that for punishment he should be made to write all the logs. That writing has appeared occasionally for the last month or two of Odins logs and it is so much better than the current log keeper.

K
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 16 June 2011, 17:32:26
A bad couple of days for discipline on board HMS Odin.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53229/ADM%2053-53229-050_0.jpg

Read warrant Nos 3, 4 & 5 (26 Nov). discharged two ABs to Detention barracks.

Then even more serious

Read warrant No 6 (26 Nov). Discharged stoker P. L. Langley to Detention barracks and thence from HM Service with disgrace.

Again no idea what he did!!

K
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 18 June 2011, 15:13:33
HMS Avoca - 13 July 1917

Cautioned Eng Sub Lieut Brassington RNR for conduct unbecoming an officer in that he used violence to Frederick New coal trimmer when on duty in the stokehold between 4 and 8 am July 12th.

With thanks to everyone in the thread: Violence in the what/where? --- I would NEVER have figured it out myself.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 18 June 2011, 18:04:20
Montanaisaleg found a detailed chart (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1703.0).  Only an eighth of it or so shows, as it is folded, but the link should be able to let anyone interested find the real thing at the Admiralty.


Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Carrie32 on 22 June 2011, 03:44:09
1pm. Insolent behaviour  to the captain!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62221/ADM%2053-62221-011_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: tastiger on 22 June 2011, 13:31:39
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57308/ADM%2053-57308-051_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57308/ADM%2053-57308-051_1.jpg
From HMS Raven II
Not really sure what (or where in the logbook) it is...
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 22 June 2011, 17:08:51
I'd guess that the log-keeper made himself a note with numbers while far from the logbook, and then stuck it between the pages forgetting to transfer the info.  It was probably a very busy day! ;D
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: tastiger on 22 June 2011, 18:10:09
I'd guess that the log-keeper made himself a note with numbers while far from the logbook, and then stuck it between the pages forgetting to transfer the info.  It was probably a very busy day! ;D
That makes sense, thanks!
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 23 June 2011, 11:21:31
Avoca 13 Aug 1917

Warrant No 46 read.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: bpb42 on 25 June 2011, 13:15:28
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-60721/ADM%2053-60721-011_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-60721/ADM%2053-60721-011_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-60721/ADM%2053-60721-012_0.jpg

Compass deviation / correction sheets for HMS Southampton, inserted between the log pages for
January 28th & 29th 1920.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: DJ_59 on 25 June 2011, 15:34:58

Thank you, thank you, everone.  Keep 'em coming.

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 26 June 2011, 06:09:57
Compass corrections "Cairo" in Colombo 3 January, 1924

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-72185/ADM%2053-72185-173_1.jpg

First time I have seen this format   lgb
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 26 June 2011, 06:25:07
A list of lost items from HMS Bristol

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69477/ADM53-69477-022_0.jpg

And some more:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69477/ADM53-69477-023_0.jpg

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69477/ADM53-69477-024_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 26 June 2011, 08:40:45
This is very interesting:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69477/ADM53-69477-027_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: studentforever on 26 June 2011, 11:34:38
As you say, interesting. The lime juice is the origin of the 'Limey' nickname for Brits. I thought they had given it up by then in favour of lemon juice which has more vitamin C.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 26 June 2011, 13:19:25
This is very interesting:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69477/ADM53-69477-027_1.jpg
I like the idea of extra cocoa  lgb
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 26 June 2011, 15:44:56
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53230/ADM%2053-53230-004_1.jpg

This is the front page from the very last log of HMS Odin.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53230/ADM%2053-53230-005_1.jpg

And the armaments etc page.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 27 June 2011, 09:09:02
The instrument page for "Victorian" in the October 1916 log records the use of both mercurial and aneroid barometers, the entries for the aneroid to be taken at noon and entered in red.
Apart from the reference, should both entries be recorded and if so how should they be differentiated?

I confess that in the past I have disregarded the entry in red, mea culpa, mea multima culpa, please can I have the lashing after tea?
lgb

At the beginning of the October 1917 log, the instruments page notes that Mercurial Barometer readings are to be entered in red at noon.
I am now unsure whether my original post was incorrect or the instructions had been changed at some point.
lgb
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 27 June 2011, 10:08:27
please can I have the lashing after tea?

Permission granted; but a word of advice: avoid the Bloodnok recipe curried eggs.
http://bloodnok.net/ogg/bombaybelly.ogg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 27 June 2011, 21:18:02
The instrument page for "Victorian" in the October 1916 log records the use of both mercurial and aneroid barometers, the entries for the aneroid to be taken at noon and entered in red.
Apart from the reference, should both entries be recorded and if so how should they be differentiated?

I confess that in the past I have disregarded the entry in red, mea culpa, mea multima culpa, please can I have the lashing after tea?
lgb

I assume these should be treated the same as the logs with double temperature entries.  This is what Philip says, which is why I'll copy this message to the proper problem category.

Well, I don't know what they are doing on that page, but please enter all the observations, even if very dubious.

If you think an entry has been crossed out or otherwise marked as bad, just ignore it, otherwise please enter all the observations. If there are two observations for the same hour, please enter both of them as separate entries: that is put in one observation as normal, then click again in almost the same place, and enter the second version of any measurements with two entries. If in doubt, please put in both measurements.

And thanks for mentioning the problem - sorting out double entries is much easier if they are flagged up in advance.

Philip
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Carrie32 on 28 June 2011, 01:42:53
 Don't  know if this is useful?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68440/ADM%2053-68440-028_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 28 June 2011, 06:47:09
"Victorian" compass corrections 6 October, 1916.
Also shows aneroid reading at noon
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67392/ADM%2053-67392-007_0.jpg
lgb
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: LarryW on 29 June 2011, 22:21:21
HMS Curlew - 8 October 1921 - collision with Chinese junk provoked this reprimand from the Captain:

"Had occasion this day to caution Lt. Comdr. Alan K ~~Halliday ~~ RN to be more careful in future in his conduct as OOW, he having sunk a fishing sampan whilst affecting to pass through the Fishing Fleet at too high a speed and having failed to comply with Articles 20, 22, and 28 of the Regulations for the Prevention of Collisions at Sea. (signed by )??, Captain"

http://www.oldweather.org/classify/edit/4e0bdad11d29f32c630012b0
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 29 June 2011, 22:44:10
Larry,
You've done what I did many times: copied the url from the transcription page instead of the "saved" page.
There is a guide here that may have been written specially for me, but I don't mind sharing.  ;)
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=536.0

Bunts
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: cyzaki on 01 July 2011, 14:23:26
Misc from Venus:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67203/ADM%2053-67203-018_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67203/ADM%2053-67203-018_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67203/ADM%2053-67203-019_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67203/ADM%2053-67203-019_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: LarryW on 02 July 2011, 11:05:18
Thanks Bunts,

I so seldom find pages worth posting I forget that the process is not as straightforward as it seems.

Larry
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Anaclaudia on 03 July 2011, 14:45:39
HMS Carlisle - 16 october 1923

(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-72680/ADM53-72680-163_0.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-72680/ADM53-72680-163_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-72680/ADM53-72680-163_0.jpg)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 03 July 2011, 19:25:14
I'm a bit curious, does anyone know if this destruction was a disarmament treaty or the discovery of defective cordite (which should scare anyone into destroying it carefully)?
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 05 July 2011, 18:43:42
Juno's log, 12 August 1915: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45461/ADM%2053-45461-009_0.jpg

Warrant No 49 read.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 07 July 2011, 06:09:30
Avoca - 8 Oct 1917

9/- Prisoner + escort came aboard.  9/15 Officers came aboard to attend Court Martial.  10/10 "Lancaster's" boat came for stores.  11/15 Officers returned to "Lancaster"  11/30 Prisoner + escort returned.  11/40 Captain left for "Lancaster"
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Kathy on 08 July 2011, 13:26:51
Hi Mugby -

you posted the "working" copies of those pages, instead of the "viewing" copies.  Here is the link to the section of the Forum that provides instruction on how to post the "viewing" copies -

http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=536.0

yours -

Kathy
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: mugby on 08 July 2011, 14:15:16
oops Raven II has a fender bender  :o

1st half of page 1.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57310/ADM%2053-57310-009_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57310/ADM%2053-57310-009_0.jpg)
2nd half of page 1.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57310/ADM%2053-57310-009_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57310/ADM%2053-57310-009_1.jpg)

Page2
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57310/ADM%2053-57310-010_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57310/ADM%2053-57310-010_0.jpg)
Page 3
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57310/ADM%2053-57310-010_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57310/ADM%2053-57310-010_1.jpg)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 08 July 2011, 16:15:43
Found in the December 1917 Log of "Victorian"

Looks like dippings for water and ballast tanks.

lgb
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 09 July 2011, 20:40:09
A neat and elegant note about a messy situation.

HMS Bee:


http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-71157/ADM%2053-71157-0003_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 11 July 2011, 10:33:00
"Cadmus" deck layout

I found this layout (in 3 sections) some time ago in the log of Cadmus.  I have just got around to stitching them together.
lgb
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 11 July 2011, 11:34:34
The expert hands of a perruquier.
I can't see the join.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 11 July 2011, 13:13:20
The expert hands of a perruquier.
I can't see the join.
We used to have one but sadly it contracted psittacosis
lgb
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 11 July 2011, 13:26:20
The expert hands of a perruquier.
I can't see the join.
We used to have one but sadly it contracted psittacosis
lgb


Easy for you to say.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 11 July 2011, 13:27:20
The ps is short for parrot spit!!!
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: tcthai on 11 July 2011, 19:52:47
Need help with this one
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37525/ADM53-37525-0016_0.jpg

  "Entered the name of Mr Alfred Holmes. Royal Navy. Gunner(T) for that he was drunk on board on the night of The 24th  December 1918: also that he disobeyed the order of Commander R.C.C Smart Royal Navy on the night of The 24th Dec 1918. to go to his cabin"
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 11 July 2011, 20:04:43
Welcome to the forum, tcthai. :)
You entered that perfectly - and it is exactly the kind of disciplinary record the historians are interested in, complete with names.  The surviving records on who was on which ship's crew are incomplete, and they are hungry for every name they can get.  Thank you.

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 11 July 2011, 20:13:59
Need help with this one
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37525/ADM53-37525-0016_0.jpg

  "Entered the name of Mr Alfred Holmes. Royal Navy. Gunner(T) for that he was drunk on board on the night of The 24th  December 1918: also that he disobeyed the order of Commander R.C.C Smart Royal Navy on the night of The 24th Dec 1918. to go to his cabin"


Hi, tchai,
It pains me to admit that I can't find fault with your transcription. Not even I can improve on perfection. What is more, you posted the url correctly, which isn't always the case.
Nicely done. (Is this really your first post or have you changed your name?  ;D )
Regards

Bunts
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: tcthai on 12 July 2011, 15:02:41
Need help with this one
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37525/ADM53-37525-0016_0.jpg

  "Entered the name of Mr Alfred Holmes. Royal Navy. Gunner(T) for that he was drunk on board on the night of The 24th  December 1918: also that he disobeyed the order of Commander R.C.C Smart Royal Navy on the night of The 24th Dec 1918. to go to his cabin"


Hi, tchai,
It pains me to admit that I can't find fault with your transcription. Not even I can improve on perfection. What is more, you posted the url correctly, which isn't always the case.
Nicely done. (Is this really your first post or have you changed your name?  ;D )
Regards

Bunts

Thank you
This is my first post because I just figured out a way to log in the forum  >:(
I translated a lot for HMS Rinaldo but there's not a lot of action there.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: szukacz on 12 July 2011, 15:11:48
Hi, tcthai,
I envy you the beautifully made ​​transcription.
My would be with 10 errors. I see that we have a strong competitor in the breaking of hieroglyphs.

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Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 12 July 2011, 15:54:29
Need help with this one
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37525/ADM53-37525-0016_0.jpg

  "Entered the name of Mr Alfred Holmes. Royal Navy. Gunner(T) for that he was drunk on board on the night of The 24th  December 1918: also that he disobeyed the order of Commander R.C.C Smart Royal Navy on the night of The 24th Dec 1918. to go to his cabin"


Hi, tchai,
It pains me to admit that I can't find fault with your transcription. Not even I can improve on perfection. What is more, you posted the url correctly, which isn't always the case.
Nicely done. (Is this really your first post or have you changed your name?  ;D )
Regards

Bunts

Thank you
This is my first post because I just figured out a way to log in the forum  >:(
I translated a lot for HMS Rinaldo but there's not a lot of action there.
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Hello, tcthai, I'm glad you're on Rinaldo, even if there isn't much action.  As her captain, I still feel responsible for her, and her percentage completed is going up very slowly.  I hope you'll persevere, even if you find a more exciting ship as well to alternate with Rinaldo.
And welcome to the Forum too; if your ship isn't interesting the Forum usually is.

Helen J
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 13 July 2011, 16:00:26
From Challenger, I think mid 1914 (I've just got to April 1919 when she was paid off and suspect I'm being shifted back to do the odd pages left over from earlier) - one of the pages in the log which doesn't usually have anything filled in.  But here there are the speeds under different conditions, and a few entries for times when the usual consumption was exceeded, but with no reasons given.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69573/ADM53-69573-002_1.jpg

Yes, the log has just started at 14th July 1914, at Devonport.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 13 July 2011, 16:19:05
From Challenger, I think mid 1914 (I've just got to April 1919 when she was paid off and suspect I'm being shifted back to do the odd pages left over from earlier) - one of the pages in the log which doesn't usually have anything filled in.  But here there are the speeds under different conditions, and a few entries for times when the usual consumption was exceeded, but with no reasons given.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69573/ADM53-69573-002_1.jpg

Yes, the log has just started at 14th July 1914, at Devonport.
The increase in coal consumption at 17 knots is quite staggering, you can see why their lordships were so keen to ask for this report.  lgb
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 13 July 2011, 18:14:43
From Challenger, I think mid 1914 (I've just got to April 1919 when she was paid off and suspect I'm being shifted back to do the odd pages left over from earlier) - one of the pages in the log which doesn't usually have anything filled in.  But here there are the speeds under different conditions, and a few entries for times when the usual consumption was exceeded, but with no reasons given.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69573/ADM53-69573-002_1.jpg

Yes, the log has just started at 14th July 1914, at Devonport.
The increase in coal consumption at 17 knots is quite staggering, you can see why their lordships were so keen to ask for this report.  lgb


On one such form (probably HMS Ribble, of which you may have heard) there was a diagonal line through the "Reasons" and "Remarks" columns and a note written along the lines of "War time conditions. Not applicable". Perhaps this arrangement was in place, following the Sarajevo business on 28th June in anticipation of 4th August.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 13 July 2011, 23:41:06
From Challenger, I think mid 1914 (I've just got to April 1919 when she was paid off and suspect I'm being shifted back to do the odd pages left over from earlier) - one of the pages in the log which doesn't usually have anything filled in.  But here there are the speeds under different conditions, and a few entries for times when the usual consumption was exceeded, but with no reasons given.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69573/ADM53-69573-002_1.jpg

Yes, the log has just started at 14th July 1914, at Devonport.
The increase in coal consumption at 17 knots is quite staggering, you can see why their lordships were so keen to ask for this report.  lgb


On one such form (probably HMS Ribble, of which you may have heard) there was a diagonal line through the "Reasons" and "Remarks" columns and a note written along the lines of "War time conditions. Not applicable". Perhaps this arrangement was in place, following the Sarajevo business on 28th June in anticipation of 4th August.
Just woken up by noisy owl, and got to wondering about the effect the higher speeds and rate of coal burning would have had on the stokers, so I made a cup of tea and looked again at the figures - they don't stack up as exceptional! Even so the question remains:
What was the expected rate of coal heaving for a stoker?
Tea drunk, now its the oystercatchers
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 14 July 2011, 00:29:00
I extended your chart a little.  On July 25th, the poor stokers were having to shovel more than five times the coal per hour to travel less than twice the distance per hour.  Every ton they shoveled moved the ship one third of the normal distance.

That must seem most unfair.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: szukacz on 14 July 2011, 04:21:33
Caro, told me to put it here.  ;D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45698/ADM%2053-45698-147_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45698/ADM%2053-45698-147_0.jpg)
and
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45698/ADM%2053-45698-147_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45698/ADM%2053-45698-147_1.jpg)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: montanaisaleg on 15 July 2011, 09:39:29
Not actually working on Teutonic, but saw this when I first logged in:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62726/ADM%2053-62726-005_1.jpg

Looks like sounding and log info?
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 15 July 2011, 09:53:15
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-55062/ADM%2053-55062-034_1.jpg

The most curious little note I have seen. It follows immediately after a page from Persian Empire, so this is most likely to be from her, but equally could be from Perth or just someone else who handled the log scrawling some sort of note.

I have tried to transcribe the main bit of writing. This is the best I can do. 

"Have you anything to report. I am taking the weymouth with ?me? following round the area with you remain on the mail route if you have to come up close to me I will give you some ~ ~. We have a sealed envelope for yo the base for you. "

Perhaps it is someone taking down a signal received in morse?

Then in ink the words Chiswick and War Glen.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 15 July 2011, 13:01:06
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-55062/ADM%2053-55062-034_1.jpg

The most curious little note I have seen. It follows immediately after a page from Persian Empire, so this is most likely to be from her, but equally could be from Perth or just someone else who handled the log scrawling some sort of note.

I have tried to transcribe the main bit of writing. This is the best I can do. 

"Have you anything to report. I am taking the weymouth with ?me? following round the area with you remain on the mail route if you have to come up close to me I will give you some ~ ~. We have a sealed envelope for yo the base for you. "

Perhaps it is someone taking down a signal received in morse?

Then in ink the words Chiswick and War Glen.

For what it's worth, I think the missing bits are:

"Have you anything to report. I am taking the weymouth with me following round the area (/) will you remain on the mail route (/) if you care to come up close to me I will give you some nearby space. We have a sealed envelope for yo the base for you. "

Then there looks like a sum 28 + 17 = 45 (with the 1 carried forward amongst the 17)

SS Chiswick
http://www.wrecksite.eu/docBrowser.aspx?986
http://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?75760

Later SS Chiswick
http://www.plimsoll.org/resources/SCCLibraries/WreckReports/14213.asp
Not a lucky name.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 15 July 2011, 17:19:40
Brilliant, thanks Bunts.

I am guessing it is either someone drafting a signal to send or someone taking notes as a morse signal comes in, although most of that sort of thing must have been done on the proper stationar.

But I guess we will never know.

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 15 July 2011, 17:57:41
Another coaling story from HMS Bristol:

Stopped coaling owing to coal in collier becoming to hot. It is not mentioned how it was cooled.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69477/ADM53-69477-092_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 15 July 2011, 20:48:36
Juno's log, http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45462/ADM%2053-45462-002_1.jpg

Chart of Juno's distance per mile, coal usage, distance per ton of coal, and the date this was ascertained.

Signed by D. St. A. Wake, Captain
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 17 July 2011, 13:55:57
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38067/C2-ADM53-38067-0002_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38067/C2-ADM53-38067-0003_1.jpg

Front pages from a very early log from HMS Clio.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 18 July 2011, 11:45:53
Fascinating page about Lieut Patrick Maxwell, who has piloted various ships in dangerous circumstances during the campaign around Duala, Cameroon, in autumn 1914 - including where all the navigation marks had been removed, through a German mine field, and having to find a way round sunken wrecks.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-37518/ADM%2053-37518-038_1.jpg

Of course I had to see whether I could find out more; and he obviously had an illustrious career.  By 1917 he was a Lieutenant-Commander, and was awarded the Legion of Honour (Chevalier) by the President of the French Republic.  In July 1921 he was promoted to Commander.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 20 July 2011, 09:55:17
I shrugged these off before, but now there seems to be greater interest, so:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48257/ADM%2053-48257-005_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48257/ADM%2053-48257-004_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: montanaisaleg on 20 July 2011, 10:08:50
Challenger, 19 Nov 1914
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-37518/ADM%2053-37518-118_1.jpg
List of buoys placed in the Cameroon River, along with navigation instructions for the river.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 20 July 2011, 20:39:29
I shrugged these off before, but now there seems to be greater interest, so:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48257/ADM%2053-48257-005_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48257/ADM%2053-48257-004_1.jpg


Thanks for the re-direction, JJ.
I wasn't persuaded that they were "instrumental". Now I am.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 25 July 2011, 04:01:14
Avoca - 12 Nov 1917 - Coquimbo, Chile
Warrants No 49, 50, 51, + 52, read.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 25 July 2011, 15:19:15
Compas deviation chart from HMS Ambrose

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-70441/ADM%2053-70441-031_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Googolplex on 25 July 2011, 17:00:02
I had to go back and look for this:

Log of the Orcoma for Monday 3rd of July 1916

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53576/ADM%2053-53576-004_1.jpg

Sub Lieut. Mallard is frequently mentioned in the log leading boarding parties onto ships sent on to Lerwick, but this time he's in hot water!
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Googolplex on 26 July 2011, 06:23:42

and from Orcoma's log for the 6th of September 1916:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53578/ADM%2053-53578-006_0.jpg

What on earth was wrong with Seaman Grey?  :o
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 26 July 2011, 06:30:00
The log from the 5'th (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53578/ADM%2053-53578-005_1.jpg) says that he was knocked down by a motor car, but that certainly doesn't explain why an escort was sent to control him. Perhaps he wanted to go after the driver ::)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Googolplex on 26 July 2011, 06:51:11

Thanks for that, my transcripts jump from the 4th to the 6th so I never saw that one.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 26 July 2011, 22:01:28
A major mistake by Sub-Lt Rackley on the HMS Cicala being reprimanded:
HMS Cicala, 10th November 1920:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37805/ADM53-37805-0008_0.jpg

At 7 am, it turns out the gunboat was in Canton because some orders were decoded wrongly.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 27 July 2011, 04:26:24
A major mistake by Sub-Lt Rackley on the HMS Cicala being reprimanded:
HMS Cicala, 10th November 1920:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37805/ADM53-37805-0008_0.jpg

At 7 am, it turns out the gunboat was in Canton because some orders were decoded wrongly.

How does a signalman get something like that so wrong? Either the message says stay where you are or it says proceed to somewhere. I know Chinese places are sometimes difficult (Clio is in the Yangzte on her logs at present) but it is quite impressive to read Canton for another place and send the ship there. Also of course the message would be coming in morse which is not easy, but presumably this is a trained signalman or he shouldnt be reading incoming messages.
Possibly there were code letters or say two letter codes for places that made it easier to mistake them.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 27 July 2011, 04:48:31
Perhaps decoded meant that it was encrypted and he mixed up the codes for two cities ???
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 27 July 2011, 12:10:52
I've always assumed that all wireless messages to ships in foreign waters were coded - and that all were in morse code.  It's a matter of security as much as technology.  But I found this on radio history:

Quote
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio#History and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_radio
History: 19th century
...Early radio designs could not transmit sound or speech and were called the "wireless telegraph".
In 1912, the RMS Titanic sank in the northern Atlantic Ocean. After this, wireless telegraphy using spark-gap transmitters quickly became universal on large ships. In 1913, the International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea was convened and produced a treaty requiring shipboard radio stations to be manned 24 hours a day. A typical high-power spark gap was a rotating commutator with six to twelve contacts per wheel, nine inches (229 mm) to a foot wide, driven by about 2000 volts DC. As the gaps made and broke contact, the radio wave was audible as a tone in a Magnetic detector at a remote location. The telegraph key often directly made and broke the 2000 volt supply. One side of the spark gap was directly connected to the antenna. Receivers with thermionic valves became commonplace before spark-gap transmitters were replaced by continuous wave transmitters.

It also says vacuum tube receivers didn't replace the old (weak) crystal sets or long range telegraphy receivers until 1920-21.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 27 July 2011, 16:04:24
I've always assumed that all wireless messages to ships in foreign waters were coded - and that all were in morse code.  It's a matter of security as much as technology.  But I found this on radio history:

Quote
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio#History and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_radio
History: 19th century
...Early radio designs could not transmit sound or speech and were called the "wireless telegraph".
In 1912, the RMS Titanic sank in the northern Atlantic Ocean. After this, wireless telegraphy using spark-gap transmitters quickly became universal on large ships. In 1913, the International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea was convened and produced a treaty requiring shipboard radio stations to be manned 24 hours a day. A typical high-power spark gap was a rotating commutator with six to twelve contacts per wheel, nine inches (229 mm) to a foot wide, driven by about 2000 volts DC. As the gaps made and broke contact, the radio wave was audible as a tone in a Magnetic detector at a remote location. The telegraph key often directly made and broke the 2000 volt supply. One side of the spark gap was directly connected to the antenna. Receivers with thermionic valves became commonplace before spark-gap transmitters were replaced by continuous wave transmitters.

It also says vacuum tube receivers didn't replace the old (weak) crystal sets or long range telegraphy receivers until 1920-21.

Saw an interesting article in the NY Times on Tuesday--"Codebook Shows an Encryption Form Dates Back to Telegraphs."  Here's a link, for those so inclined...  http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/26/science/26code.html
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 27 July 2011, 20:06:36
THanks - I didn't know any of that before.  Interesting. :)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 27 July 2011, 20:27:49
This is defective scan of a misc. note, copied from the other thread:
HMS Patuca, 6th December 1915 - only half a page scanned
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-097_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-097_1.jpg

Probably 7th December - half page scanned
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-097a_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-097a_1.jpg

No indication of date, and the page seems to have had a page pasted over it
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-098_0.jpg

Another half page, and this is in fact December 7th:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-098a_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-098a_1.jpg

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: montanaisaleg on 28 July 2011, 15:26:49
Crocus, 31 Dec 1921
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74526/ADM%2053-74526-178_1.jpg
"Record of Observations for Deviation"
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: tastiger on 29 July 2011, 13:41:29
HMS Hawkins, Feb. 7, 1923
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-78590/ADM%2053-78590-0159_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-78590/ADM%2053-78590-0160_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-78590/ADM%2053-78590-0160_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-78590/ADM%2053-78590-0161_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 30 July 2011, 16:22:34
Clio's log, 4 June 1917: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38070/ADM%2053-38070-184_0.jpg

12.45 Escort & prisoner arrived on board

(But absolutely no other information about the prisoner...) ???

Clio's log, 8 June 1917: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38070/ADM%2053-38070-186_0.jpg
Another reference, perhaps to the same individual:

1.35 Escort & Prisoner returned on board.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 31 July 2011, 09:17:15
Avoca - 9 Jan 1918 -

1/15  Capt + Officers left for 'Otranto' for Court of Inquiry.
Watch detailed for work on 'Otranto'
3/35  Capt + Officers returned.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Googolplex on 31 July 2011, 12:30:47
Just checked the thread to see if this had been mentioned, but it appears not.  A compass deviation table inserted into the Curlew's log.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74708/ADM%2053-74708-120_1.jpg

Doing the search for Curlew I also came across a post mentioning :

HMS Curlew - 8 October 1921 - collision with Chinese junk provoked this reprimand from the Captain:

"Had occasion this day to caution Lt. Comdr. Alan K ~~Halliday ~~ RN to be more careful in future in his conduct as OOW, he having sunk a fishing sampan whilst affecting to pass through the Fishing Fleet at too high a speed and having failed to comply with Articles 20, 22, and 28 of the Regulations for the Prevention of Collisions at Sea. (signed by )??, Captain"


The Lt Commander's name is Alan Kerr (McClintock) Halliley DSO and he is recorded as leaving the Curlew in January 1922.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74708/ADM%2053-74708-144_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Googolplex on 31 July 2011, 12:36:27
Further to the above, (then) Lieut Halliley's citation appears in the London Gazette:

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/31604/supplements/12780/page.pdf

and on the same page officers from Cicala and Cricket are also mentioned.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 31 July 2011, 13:41:04
Not sure what this is, but it's pasted onto the page for 19th December 1915 for Patuca:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-104_1.jpg

Have just had the 19th December 1915 again, with a different bit pasted onto it, though the rest looks exactly the same - strange ...

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-105_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 31 July 2011, 13:56:42
Clio's log, 15 June 1917: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38070/ADM%2053-38070-189_1.jpg

9.35 Read Warrant No. 16. Discharged 1 Marine to Cairo detention barracks.

Clio's log, 5 July 1917:  http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38070/ADM%2053-38070-202_0.jpg

5.10 1 Marine joined ship from detention.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 31 July 2011, 13:58:58
Not sure what this is, but it's pasted onto the page for 19th December 1915 for Patuca:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-104_1.jpg


It looks like yer actual compass deviation.
The amount by which the compass differs from the true direction; arising from the magnetic effect of the metallic structure of the ship.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 31 July 2011, 14:01:20
Not sure what this is, but it's pasted onto the page for 19th December 1915 for Patuca:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-104_1.jpg

Have just had the 19th December 1915 again, with a different bit pasted onto it, though the rest looks exactly the same - strange ...

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-105_1.jpg


It looks like the same page but with the note folded out of the way.
Thorough scanning.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 31 July 2011, 14:05:42
Not sure what this is, but it's pasted onto the page for 19th December 1915 for Patuca:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-104_1.jpg

Have just had the 19th December 1915 again, with a different bit pasted onto it, though the rest looks exactly the same - strange ...

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-105_1.jpg


It looks like the same page but with the note folded out of the way.
Thorough scanning.

Aha!  Now that you mention it ...
Though it's odd that the 18th December, which has nothing special on it, also seems to have been scanned twice.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Kathy on 31 July 2011, 22:33:46
From the Thistle:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-87413/ADM%2053-87413-138_1.jpg
Description and Position of Correctors
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Kathy on 31 July 2011, 22:47:35
From the Thistle -

Record of  Deviations

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-87413/ADM%2053-87413-139_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: tastiger on 01 August 2011, 21:13:13
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-78591/ADM%2053-78591-0018_0.jpg
A Note from the National Archives
HMS Hawkins April 1923
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 02 August 2011, 14:12:56
Clio's log, 19 July 1917: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38070/ADM%2053-38070-208_1.jpg

3.30 Read Warrant No 17
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 02 August 2011, 14:27:19
Pilot Wilson must have made quite a mess because he was removed from his charge not knowing how to handle the ship he was in charge.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59867/ADM%2053-59867-013_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 02 August 2011, 14:49:11
Clio's log, 24 July [1917; although logkeeper failed to write in the year that day]:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38070/ADM%2053-38070-211_0.jpg

9.45 Court of inquiry held on board.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 02 August 2011, 20:49:38
Pilot Wilson must have made quite a mess because he was removed from his charge not knowing how to handle the ship he was in charge.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59867/ADM%2053-59867-013_1.jpg


It would be no use saying "I wasn't driving, Sir" - King's Regs:

http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=7.msg23712#msg23712
"995. Relations between Pilot, Captain, &c. When a pilot is employed, the Captain is to order everything that relates to the navigating of the ship to be performed as the pilot shall require ; but, nevertheless, he and the Navigating Officer are to attend particularly to his conduct ; and if, from his
own or the Navigating Officer's observations, he shall have reason to believe the pilot not qualified
to conduct the ship, or that he is running her into danger, the Captain is to remove him from charge, and to take all necessary measures for the safety of the ship, noting the time of the pilot being so removed, in the log. If the ship should at any time be damaged through the ignorance or negligence of a pilot, when a common degree of attention on the part of the Captain and Navigating Officer would have prevented the disaster, those officers will be deemed to have neglected their duty.
This Article is equally applicable to the case of a ship in charge of a King's Harbour Master, or an
Admiralty pilot. "

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 03 August 2011, 16:25:24
Disciplinary record in HMS Clio's log. August 1914.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38067/C2-ADM53-38067-0160_0.jpg

"Reprimanded Lieut Gedhill for neglect of duty as officer of the watch in not reporting two colliers anchored within 2 cables of HMS Clio weighing"

I think everyone is a bit jumpy due to the recent declaration of war.

K
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: tcthai on 04 August 2011, 12:47:23
From Rinaldo's Log May 12th, 1917:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57899/ADM%2053-57899-009_1.jpg

4.30  F. Murphy and P. Harkins discharged to Princess for cell(?) punishment

Didn't say why, though.  P. Harkins got mentioned before but I dont remember when it was.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 04 August 2011, 12:58:19
From Rinaldo's Log May 12th, 1917:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57899/ADM%2053-57899-009_1.jpg

4.30  F. Murphy and P. Harkins discharged to Princess for cell(?) punishment

Didn't say why, though.  P. Harkins got mentioned before but I dont remember when it was.


"cell" punishment - yes.
It may not be fanciful to associate 2 men, Messrs Murphy & Harkins, with the 2 warrants read and, by extension, with the incapacitation of Chief Stoker Mr J. Littleton.
Stokers do have a reputation.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: tcthai on 04 August 2011, 13:06:26
Ok, may be this question belongs to another part of the forum,
So, when someone reads a warrant, it's the arrest, and the number following that, ie: "Warrants 52, 53", are the numbers of arrests within the year or something?
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 04 August 2011, 13:13:09
No, They are the numbers of the Warrants. Usually you will see something like 'Read Warrant Nos 50 to 53'.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 04 August 2011, 13:25:51
"Someone", probably dorbel - apologies if not, gave an excellent explanation of the system but I can't find it now.
As I recall, a miscreant has the details of his offence recorded on the warrant, numbered as in a receipt book. An appropriate number of crew members (possibly his watch, dependent on the ship's complement) is assembled and the charge against him is read out. That may be sufficient punishment, shame in front of his peers, or more severe penalty may be imposed.
The numbers start at the beginning of the book "1" and continue to the end of the book and then start again at 1. With a small or well behaved crew the book could last for years.

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 04 August 2011, 13:27:47
No, They are the numbers of the Warrants. Usually you will see something like 'Read Warrant Nos 50 to 53'.

But the numbers of the warrants are usually consecutive, so these will have been the 52nd and 53rd warrants read. The time period though seems to vary, with some going right back to the last recommissioning, rather than starting anew with each year. Each warrant is one disciplinary offence. They dont always result in cell punishments.

As usual Bunts has beaten me to the reply but some of this may still help.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 04 August 2011, 13:31:32
But I had to revisit mine. ;)
More haste less speed.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 04 August 2011, 13:50:11
"Someone", probably dorbel - apologies if not, gave an excellent explanation of the system but I can't find it now.
As I recall, a miscreant has the details of his offence recorded on the warrant, numbered as in a receipt book. An appropriate number of crew members (possibly his watch, dependent on the ship's complement) is assembled and the charge against him is read out. That may be sufficient punishment, shame in front of his peers, or more severe penalty may be imposed.
The numbers start at the beginning of the book "1" and continue to the end of the book and then start again at 1. With a small or well behaved crew the book could last for years.

I think this is the one you mean - but not one of our usual sources - http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=175.msg3594#msg3594
Also http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=175.msg5465#msg5465
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 04 August 2011, 14:08:05
Nice work randi and Jennfurr.

The Royal Navy had a form for pretty well everything:

"761. 2. Warrant.-If he should determine upon ordering the prisoner to be corporally punished, he is to make out a warrant on form S. 271, in which all the information required is to be clearly and explicitly set forth."
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 04 August 2011, 18:38:25
I know for a fact on Torch (destroyer) that the warrant count reverted to #1 when they paid off one crew and closed the logs on that voyage, then brought onboard the new crew and captain and started the next voyage.  Which makes sense - if none of the troublemakers are left on board, the new crew shouldn't be blamed for the old tally of crimes.

And they were a small ship with a well-behaved crew.  The warrant count remained low, during both voyages.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 05 August 2011, 03:57:02
Avoca - 30 Jan 1918

Cautioned Eng Sub Lieut Henry RNR for disobedience of Orders in signing for spirits, which he did not consume himself.
Cautioned Eng Lieut Clark RNR for disobedience of Orders in signing for spirits, which he did not consume himself.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: cyzaki on 05 August 2011, 04:03:27
Avoca - 30 Jan 1918

Cautioned Eng Sub Lieut Henry RNR for disobedience of Orders in signing for spirits, which he did not consume himself.
Cautioned Eng Lieut Clark RNR for disobedience of Orders in signing for spirits, which he did not consume himself.

So... essentially they're in trouble for not drinking?  ;D
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: szukacz on 05 August 2011, 07:12:48
Randi,
At this time, just get tired of that day
I am full of admiration as you you read tiny letters.
 :)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 05 August 2011, 08:30:01
Avoca - 30 Jan 1918

Cautioned Eng Sub Lieut Henry RNR for disobedience of Orders in signing for spirits, which he did not consume himself.
Cautioned Eng Lieut Clark RNR for disobedience of Orders in signing for spirits, which he did not consume himself.

So... essentially they're in trouble for not drinking?  ;D


Only on the face of it. Thanks to Jennfurr's extract from King's Regs:
http://www.pbenyon1.plus.com/KR&AI/Discipline.html#Tables
We can see that for ranks below CPO the offence would be "Trafficking in, receiving, giving away, playing for, or selling any wine, spirit, or beer".
For whatever reason, setting a good example, perhaps, it's been applied to "officers". "Sauce for the goose" etc.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Googolplex on 05 August 2011, 12:37:01
Curlew again:  some one has very helpfully filled in all the ship's vital statistics at the start of a new 5-month logbook

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74709/ADM%2053-74709-004_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74709/ADM%2053-74709-005_1.jpg

If my transcriptions extend to Aug 28th I'm going to be interested to see if the breakage of the sea temp. thermometer is explained.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 05 August 2011, 13:23:35
Doesn't seem to be.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74709/ADM%2053-74709-017_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74709/ADM%2053-74709-017_1.jpg ;D

Sorry - right day wrong month  :-[ :'(
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 05 August 2011, 13:48:09
I manually changed the numbers in the URL to get to August.
Aug.27 at Suez Canal:
 http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74709/ADM%2053-74709-080_0.jpg
Aug.28 at Suez Canal & at Sea:
 http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74709/ADM%2053-74709-080_1.jpg
Aug.28 at Sea:
 http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74709/ADM%2053-74709-081_0.jpg

Not only no mention of a change in instrumentation, all 3 days have no interuption of taking sea temps.  It was apparently done very smoothly.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Googolplex on 05 August 2011, 15:36:21
Interesting - the log indicated that they were changing torpedoes for the journey home but clearly it'll be a few months until they set out.  Just hope that the pages I am offered run that far.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jdulak on 06 August 2011, 19:32:55
HMS Ophir October 1915

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53362/ADM%2053-53362-017_0.jpg


November 1915

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53363/ADM%2053-53363-008_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53363/ADM%2053-53363-010_0.jpg

January 1916
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53365/ADM%2053-53365-007_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53365/ADM%2053-53365-008_0.jpg

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53365/ADM%2053-53365-010_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53365/ADM%2053-53365-011_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53365/ADM%2053-53365-019_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53365/ADM%2053-53365-020_0.jpg

February 1916
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53366/ADM%2053-53366-005_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53366/ADM%2053-53366-008_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53366/ADM%2053-53366-010_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53366/ADM%2053-53366-012_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53366/ADM%2053-53366-012_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53366/ADM%2053-53366-015_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53366/ADM%2053-53366-017_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53366/ADM%2053-53366-020_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53366/ADM%2053-53366-020_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53366/ADM%2053-53366-023_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53366/ADM%2053-53366-025_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53366/ADM%2053-53366-028_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53366/ADM%2053-53366-029_1.jpg

March 1916
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53367/ADM%2053-53367-008_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53367/ADM%2053-53367-010_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53367/ADM%2053-53367-015_1.jpg

July 1916:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53371/ADM%2053-53371-013_1.jpg

August 1916:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53372/ADM%2053-53372-015_1.jpg

September 1916:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53373/ADM%2053-53373-018_0.jpg

October 1916:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53374/ADM%2053-53374-016_0.jpg

November 1916:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53375/ADM%2053-53375-012_0.jpg



John Dulak
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 07 August 2011, 00:00:05
Either that ship was more than a simple inspection, or there were political factors involved in boarding Spanish ships.  Interesting. :)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 07 August 2011, 04:24:00
Stoker Bratchley discharged to Cairo Military Prison.

If I remember well, he was reported as absentee from leave, but I havn't found the exact date.  :-\

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59870/ADM%2053-59870-011_1.jpg

P.S.

After three weeks in detention he returned under escort of Marines.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59871/ADM%2053-59871-008_1.jpg

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 07 August 2011, 13:42:17
If he needed armed escort back from prison, he clearly is not considered as having paid for his crimes.

What did he do onshore, while failing to report back on board? ???
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 07 August 2011, 14:24:51
Maybe that was just to be sure he returned on board ;)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 07 August 2011, 14:51:39
That's also what I think. It is a long way from Cairo to Alexandria and one can easily get lost. ::)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 07 August 2011, 15:05:18
True. :)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 07 August 2011, 16:39:31
That's also what I think. It is a long way from Cairo to Alexandria and one can easily get lost. ::)


Especially if one has not been out and about for a while; e.g. having been in the chokey after some AWoL.

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 10 August 2011, 07:45:13
Avoca 4 Mar 1918 - Esquimalt
Warrant No. 63 read.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 10 August 2011, 10:45:12
One of the very few "warrants read" that mentions a name, and what a name!!

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-55068/ADM%2053-55068-004_1.jpg

See 09.00. "Warrant No 4 read (re Truman O'Toole)"

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 10 August 2011, 10:59:15
Truman O'Toole.
I think that must have been a character in a James Bond book.  ;)
I believe this one is his brother "Fireman".  ;D
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 11 August 2011, 15:59:10
Avoca - 10 April 1918

Nealand(?) A.B. + J Morris Trimmer, placed in cells. drunk on board.

Normally a well behaved crew, but we're in port for a refit. ;)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 11 August 2011, 18:12:27
Copied from another thread:

The things one finds, when simply identifying barometers!!

HMS Alsatian put this fascinating note on their instrumentation page!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33379/ADM53-33379-095_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: szukacz on 12 August 2011, 09:31:52
Wow!!!!
Extra!
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 12 August 2011, 12:06:25
Avoca - 29 Apr 1918

Warrant No 76 read.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 12 August 2011, 12:16:03
HMS Acacia rec'd notice of buoyed wreck in Yarmouth Roads, Aug.1915
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-32581/0052_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 12 August 2011, 13:40:46
HMS Albemarle, Navigating Officer's stores lost overboard Nov. 7th, 1915.
This looks very expensive!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33201/ADM53-33201-009_1.jpg

Additional log notes, describing heavy seas flooding the ship, causing the above losses, heavy damage to the ship, and much loss of life.  They were helped into anchorage by HMS Hibernia.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33201/ADM53-33201-010_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 12 August 2011, 18:45:09
This has to be the most diligently formal patrol ship out there!  For anyone tracking ships, here are 13 steamers.

HMS Argonaut inspecting a steamers, June 1915:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34039/ADM53-34039-005_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34039/ADM53-34039-012_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34039/ADM53-34039-021_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34039/ADM53-34039-024_0.jpg

HMS Argonaut inspecting a steamers, July 1915:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34040/ADM53-34040-005_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34040/ADM53-34040-011_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34040/ADM53-34040-013_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34040/ADM53-34040-019_1.jpg

HMS Argonaut inspecting a steamers, August 1915:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34041/ADM53-34041-007_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34041/ADM53-34041-009_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34041/ADM53-34041-016_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34041/ADM53-34041-017_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34041/ADM53-34041-021_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 12 August 2011, 21:05:45
Wow, Janet, what wonderful papers!  Were the ships expected to write out a report like these every time they boarded another ship?!  I have never seen this before--the most has been an annotation in the log, but nothing more.  Thanks for posting!
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 12 August 2011, 22:12:51
I was looking for barometer IDs again, and found and third again as many pages per month as there should be - so I went hunting to see what was there.  I have no idea - and no desire to search further - what that crew recorded the other months of its voyage.  I know that formality is very rare - the number of pages per month for almost everybody else is 30 or 31 consistantly (not including February. :) )
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: szukacz on 13 August 2011, 02:49:38
Janet, but you're lucky. Such interesting things you found. :o
This is the cherry on the a huge cake. :D
How do you you got enough great material? ???
Can it be examples of work O.O.G. ?
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 13 August 2011, 08:19:35
I'm going through and organizing and labeling the wonderful list of pages that tastiger gathered for us, identifying barometers on ships.

I wouldn't have the patience to harvest that many in the first place, but organizing them and understanding them is fun. ;D
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 14 August 2011, 04:58:49
HMS Ambrose in Hong Kong:

Placed 2 ERAs under close arrest pending trial by Court Martial

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-70442/ADM%2053-70442-011_0.jpg

Edit

The two were sent to HMS Tamar a few days later. Court Martial must have taken place onboard of HMS Tamar because November 30th one ERA returned to HMS Ambrose.

After some research I found out that Court Martial records are closed for 75 years and that those for the period of our ships are now open to public view at the Admiralty.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Caro on 14 August 2011, 08:17:40
Lt Cdr Guy Dolphin's reports for HMS Argonaut were the inspiration for this thread.
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=209.msg5405#msg5405
They have been sent to the history team.
I apologise for not remembering to include them here!  :D

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: ElisabethB on 16 August 2011, 09:52:39
5th May 1921 on the HMS Dragon
Any ideas what this is about ?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-76132/ADM53-76132-153_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 16 August 2011, 10:46:54
5th May 1921 on the HMS Dragon
Any ideas what this is about ?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-76132/ADM53-76132-153_0.jpg


Well ... it looks like it's a post-it note relating to "Revolutions" from 1500 to 1700 at:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-76132/ADM53-76132-068_1.jpg

As to what it's doing there, your guess is at least as good as mine.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 16 August 2011, 20:52:25
Juno's log, 30 November 1915: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45464/ADM%2053-45464-018_0.jpg

8.30 One Prisoner brought on board from mail steamer   weather to (sic) rough to land him onshore.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 17 August 2011, 12:54:28
Compass deviation for HMS Ambrose.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-70442/ADM%2053-70442-084_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 17 August 2011, 13:17:37
Juno's log, 11 January 1916: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45466/ADM%2053-45466-008_1.jpg

I cannot quite figure out what Gunner Bradshaw neglected to look after...  Suggestions as to the words after "store"?

"Cautioned Mr. G. W. Bradshaw Gunner for neglect of duty in looking after his store Vide Art 724 K.R. & A.Y.  (signed:) D. St. A Wake, Commodore"
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Kathy on 17 August 2011, 13:24:40
looks like vicle art to me - and I have no idea what that means  ;D

Kathy
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 17 August 2011, 13:25:43
I'm guessing that the K.R. and A. Y? G? may refer to the Kings Regulations and something else, but need to hunt around for that. 

Ah, found it, Kings Regulations and Admiralty Instructions...  However, I'm still mystified by the "store vide".  I'm assuming that "Art" goes with 724, so it's a disciplinary action under "article 724," whatever that says...
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 17 August 2011, 13:29:42
looks like vicle art to me - and I have no idea what that means  ;D

Kathy

Vide - "for further information refer to" Art 724 (No) of Kings Regulations
presumably Art 724 requires the person concerned to undertake certain routine tasks and in this case Mr Bradshaw failed to do so
lgb
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 17 August 2011, 13:36:05
Thank you, lancsgreybeard!
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Kathy on 17 August 2011, 13:40:57
I'm gonna have to remember that one - ie, eg, vide, et al  ;D
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: tastiger on 17 August 2011, 13:58:14
I'm going through and organizing and labeling the wonderful list of pages that tastiger gathered for us, identifying barometers on ships.

I wouldn't have the patience to harvest that many in the first place, but organizing them and understanding them is fun. ;D
Thanks! ;D (I'm late to the up-keep here)
And I noticed you were organizing them. Thanks, I don't have the patience to do all of that.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 17 August 2011, 13:59:54
We do not know the cause of his problems but Gixernutter has revealed the outcome:

http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=671.msg24401#msg24401

Sad.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 August 2011, 16:23:23
...I wouldn't have the patience to harvest that many in the first place, but organizing them and understanding them is fun. ;D
Thanks! ;D (I'm late to the up-keep here)
And I noticed you were organizing them. Thanks, I don't have the patience to do all of that.

That makes us a first-class team! ;D

We can go on sharing the up-keep, it will make easier all around.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: tastiger on 17 August 2011, 18:17:22
...I wouldn't have the patience to harvest that many in the first place, but organizing them and understanding them is fun. ;D
Thanks! ;D (I'm late to the up-keep here)
And I noticed you were organizing them. Thanks, I don't have the patience to do all of that.

That makes us a first-class team! ;D

We can go on sharing the up-keep, it will make easier all around.
;D
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Carrie32 on 18 August 2011, 14:17:32
List of gear lost overboard H.M.S. Carmania
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37084/ADM%2053-37084-006_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 18 August 2011, 14:32:29
Not a complete picnic but useful if required.
dorbel mentioned the self sufficiency of life boats when we had a query about "breaker". A pity the boat was lost, but interesting to see its contents.
Ta.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 18 August 2011, 18:18:22
Juno's log, 7 February 1916: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45467/ADM%2053-45467-006_1.jpg

9.25 Capt of Philomel and members of Court of Inquiry into loss of steam cutter arrived on board. 
9.45 Court of Enquiry sat. 
11.30 Court of Enquiry finished.

1.00 Diving party searching for steam cutter.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 18 August 2011, 18:49:47
Juno's log, 12 February 1916: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45467/ADM%2053-45467-009_0.jpg

4.00 Evening quarters, read warrant No 60.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 19 August 2011, 17:29:32
Juno's log, 14 February 1916: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45467/ADM%2053-45467-010_0.jpg

4.00 Evening quarters, physical exercise, read warrant No. 61
1 Maxim & 5 boxes ammn. 1 box spaces returned to HMS Philomel.
1 CPO 1 SBA, 3 Seedee & 1 Seedee prisoner sent to Philomel for Bombay

6.45 Two divers & gear & 5 bags of mail from Philomel.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 19 August 2011, 19:05:19
Sorry have come to this site a bit late..but had previously found a death certificate left in log book, the ship was the Dunedin, the page 17th October1920 in Copenhagen, a Harry Briggs, Stoker Petty Officer, official number K4487 died of heart failure following pneumonia, he had previously be mentioned as 'being in hospital'.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-76345/ADM53-76345-018_0.jpg 
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 22 August 2011, 07:07:07
Birmingham - 13 Jan 1921
Read Warrant No. 64
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 22 August 2011, 13:47:30
Deviations - Patuca, 24th February 1916 - unhelpfully pasted onto the log page!

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-139_0.jpg

But helpfully scanned again with the deviations covering up the other half of the log page

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-140_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: ElisabethB on 22 August 2011, 15:34:19
HMS Kinfauns Castle (probably posted before, but just in case)
20 May 1915
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45699/ADM%2053-45699-013_0.jpg
21 May 1915
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45699/ADM%2053-45699-013_1.jpg
22 May 1915
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45699/ADM%2053-45699-014_0.jpg
23 May 1915
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45699/ADM%2053-45699-014_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 22 August 2011, 17:21:12
Clio's log, 24 September 1917: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38070/ADM%2053-38070-247_0.jpg

4.5 Read Warrant No 21  1 Rating left ship for detention.

5.45 1 rating joined ship from detention.

(Wonder if it was the same rating?)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 22 August 2011, 17:31:41
Clio's log, 26 September 1917: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38070/ADM%2053-38070-248_0.jpg

6.40 No 5 Buoy abm 3 cables   a/c S65W Streamed log, Read Warrant No 22
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 23 August 2011, 10:20:46
HMS Kinfauns Castle (probably posted before, but just in case)
20 May 1915
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45699/ADM%2053-45699-013_0.jpg
21 May 1915
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45699/ADM%2053-45699-013_1.jpg
22 May 1915
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45699/ADM%2053-45699-014_0.jpg
23 May 1915
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45699/ADM%2053-45699-014_1.jpg
Yes, but what do the diagrams represent?
It is obviously a regular feature of the log, the diagram has been stamped with an ink pad and is in the log for May 2nd
It appears to represent waters depths in the holds, but is causing no apparent concern?
Yet another mystery
lgb
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 23 August 2011, 11:09:30
HMS Kinfauns Castle (probably posted before, but just in case)
20 May 1915
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45699/ADM%2053-45699-013_0.jpg
21 May 1915
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45699/ADM%2053-45699-013_1.jpg
22 May 1915
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45699/ADM%2053-45699-014_0.jpg
23 May 1915
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45699/ADM%2053-45699-014_1.jpg
Yes, but what do the diagrams represent?
It is obviously a regular feature of the log, the diagram has been stamped with an ink pad and is in the log for May 2nd
It appears to represent waters depths in the holds, but is causing no apparent concern?
Yet another mystery
lgb


My guess is that the lower diagram is the bilges as the figures remain constant, and the upper one is fresh water.
308 tons received on 20th and the readings are at their highest. 21st all the levels have dropped (No. 4 port side seems to have an erroneous 2 instead of 4). The amount of water remaining drops daily as the depths decrease.
I know better than to try to devise a formula.
dorbel will probably give a definitive answer.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 23 August 2011, 12:40:53
Seems to be the only logical answer, it seems curious that the Captain has this obsession, but then don't we all
lgb
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 23 August 2011, 12:50:23
He wouldn't want to run out of water for the grog; it's a condition of service.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 24 August 2011, 02:23:14
Birmingham - 24 Feb 1921

Read Warrant No. 72
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Googolplex on 24 August 2011, 07:00:37
Birmingham - 24 Feb 1921

Read Warrant No. 72

I'm just ahead of you  :)  Birmingham 9th of March 1921

Read Warrants 73 & 74.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 24 August 2011, 07:35:16
 ;D
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 24 August 2011, 13:26:04
HMS Kinfauns Castle (probably posted before, but just in case)
20 May 1915
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45699/ADM%2053-45699-013_0.jpg
21 May 1915
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45699/ADM%2053-45699-013_1.jpg
22 May 1915
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45699/ADM%2053-45699-014_0.jpg
23 May 1915
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45699/ADM%2053-45699-014_1.jpg

Another showed up for 6th June 1915 - Rhogwerm posted it in handwriting, for other reasons. 
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45700/ADM%2053-45700-006_0.jpg

I thought it was unique and therefore wanted to put it here, only to find Els note.  It sounds to be as if they have an excessively leaky hull, and a log keeper who wants to become either an artist or a draftsman.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 24 August 2011, 20:04:58
HMS Welland, 24 February 1918:  "Stores lost during gale Feb 24/18"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68386/ADM%2053-68386-030_1.jpg

(The Welland is currently in/near Salonika.)

Boats collapsible 1 in No.                        Branch Pipes No. 3 size 1 in no.
Tommies 18 x 3/4 1 in no                        Chisels Gunner Strong 7/8 1 in no
Spanner forged ord 5/8 2 in no               Saws hand 26" 1 in no
Shears hand 1 pair                                 Bars Pinch 7/8 x 3' 1 in no
Life belts cork 16 in no                           Life Buoys 3 in no
Fenders wood 1 in no                            Rowlocks for whaler 2 in no
Rowlocks for collapsible boat 8 in no     Hooks boat GM Large 1 in no
Hammers hand 2 lb 1 in no                   Pliers side cutting bright 1 pair
Hammers hand steel 2 lb 1 in no          Chisels chipping steel 7/8 2 in no
Casks (vion) for Broxburn Oil 10 Falls 1 in no          Chisels cast steel + cut 2 in no
Feeders oil use for torpedos 1 in no       Ruler boxwood 2 ft 1 in no
Feeders oil Daisy 2 in no                         Fenders coir for torpedos 1 in no
Brooms hair brownheads 2 in no            Fenders ships coir large 2 in no
Brooms bur brownheads 6 in no            Garr?~ boats fir spoon blade 15 ft 2 in no
Brushes dust or hand 2 in no                  "         "       "     "        "        10 ft 2 in no
Brushes scrubbing dust or hand 6 in no  Boat hook for Carley float 1 in no
Paddles for Carley floats 6 in no              Garr? large for Carley float 1 in no
Shells common pointed 3 in no                Garr? small for Carley float 2 in no
Shells Shrapnell 12 pdr 8 cwt 2 in no     Fings Tine or percussion No 50 2 in no
Brushes pisaba QF 12 pdr 1 in no           Keys Case Powder ML 1 in no
Extractors cartridge hand small  1 in no

(Signed)  F E Ayers
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 24 August 2011, 20:56:30
That was a lot of work CH - real dedication  8)
Hope you don't mind, I've completed your queries and made a couple of tweaks.

HMS Welland, 24 February 1918:  "Stores lost during gale Feb 24/18"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68386/ADM%2053-68386-030_1.jpg

(The Welland is currently in/near Salonika.)

Boats collapsible 1 in No.                        Branch Pipes No. 3 size 1 in no.
Tommies 18 x 3/4 1 in no                        Chisels Gunner Strong 7/8 1 in no
Spanner forged ord 5/8 2 in no               Saws hand 26" 1 in no
Shears hand 1 pair                                 Bars Pinch 7/8 x 3' 1 in no
Life belts cork 16 in no                           Life Buoys 3 in no
Fenders wood 1 in no                            Rowlocks for whaler 2 in no
Rowlocks for collapsible boat 8 in no     Hooks boat GM Large 1 in no
Hammers hand 2 lb 1 in no                   Pliers side cutting bright 1 pair
Hammers hand steel 2 lb 1 in no          Chisels chipping steel 7/8 2 in no
Casks (iron) for Broxburn Oil 10 Galls 1 in no          Chisels cast steel + cut 2 in no
Feeders oil use for torpedos 1 in no       Ruler boxwood 2 ft 1 in no
Feeders oil Daisy 2 in no                         Fenders coir for torpedos 1 in no
Brooms hair brownheads 2 in no            Fenders ships coir large 2 in no
Brooms bur brownheads 6 in no            Oars boats fir spoon blade 15 ft 2 in no
Brushes dust or hand 2 in no                  "         "       "     "        "        10 ft 2 in no
Brushes scrubbing dust or hand 6 in no  Boat hook for Carley float 1 in no
Paddles for Carley floats 6 in no              Oars large for Carley float 1 in no
Shells common pointed 3 in no                Oars small for Carley float 2 in no
Shells Shrapnell 12 pdr 8 cwt 2 in no     Fuzes Time or percussion No 50 2 in no
Brushes pisaba QF 12 pdr 1 in no           Keys Case Powder ML 1 in no
Extractors cartridge hand small  1 in no

(Signed)  F E Ayers
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 24 August 2011, 21:39:42
Actually, I much appreciate your tweaks!   I was also quite amazed by the list--how on earth did they know all this stuff was lost during the gale?  Is there a master list of all their equipment somewhere?
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 24 August 2011, 21:45:54
All manufacturing corporations make regular inventories of all that stuff - the IRS makes it mandatory once a year, and monthly counts make the job very much easier.  I'm assuming that the same is true aboard a busy ship.

However, I don't believe the crews would ever have been that precise and detailed unless someone was policing them.  People who are involved in doing things with their hands usually dislike keeping lists.  So there must be the navy equivalent of a quarter-master who won't let them resupply their ship unless they can document where the old supplies went.  The obsession with trivia is usually the mark of an accountant. ;D
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 24 August 2011, 22:10:03
Would a gale provide a "convenient" (ahem) method for replacing stuff that was otherwise unaccounted for?
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 24 August 2011, 22:22:17
Of course!!!  If management is going to demand these finicky lists, then any intelligent worker will take full advantage of the opportunity. ;D
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 25 August 2011, 05:53:04
Birmingham - 9 April 1921

Read Warrant No. 77. Discharged 1 rating to Detention Quarters.
(number hard to read - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-71398/ADM53-71398-159_0.jpg)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 25 August 2011, 15:55:36
Found by Bunts - with a formal, handwritten death certificate:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-76345/ADM53-76345-038_0.jpg and CWGC

Able Seaman Eric William Allison
J/66121, H.M.S. "Dunedin"., Royal Navy
who died age 20 years 1 month on 24 November 1920
Son of Mr W. and Mrs B. Allison, of Manor Cottage, Boreham, Chelmsford, Essex.
Cause of Death "(a) Status Lymphaticus (b) Heart failure"

Eric Allison, rest in peace.

----------------------------------------------
Definition, Status Lymphaticus:
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/status+lymphaticus
status lympha?ticus: lymphatism.
lymphatism /lym?pha?tism/ (lim?fah-tizm): 1.(medicine, historical) Enlargement or swelling of the lymphatic tissue, associated in the past with sudden death of children but no longer considered to be an authentic ailment.  2.Bloating, sluggishness

Sounds like they didn't know what was infecting this young man's lymph nodes, but it was very painful.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Googolplex on 25 August 2011, 18:27:35
Birmingham - 9 April 1921

Read Warrant No. 77. Discharged 1 rating to Detention Quarters.
(number hard to read - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-71398/ADM53-71398-159_0.jpg)

Still just ahead of you ;D :  Birmingham 21st April 1921:  "1 rating rejoined from Detention Quarters"  Probably the same person.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Rogwherm on 26 August 2011, 05:51:32
Not much here,

just a sheet detailing compass deviation readings stuck to a page:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-139_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 26 August 2011, 09:20:25
Birmingham - 9 April 1921

Read Warrant No. 77. Discharged 1 rating to Detention Quarters.
(number hard to read - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-71398/ADM53-71398-159_0.jpg)

Still just ahead of you ;D :  Birmingham 21st April 1921:  "1 rating rejoined from Detention Quarters"  Probably the same person.

I think we are playing leapfrog on the third pass through these last few pages ;)
Enjoy the new log keeper - now you can see the pressure AND the temperature in the window - he sure makes a funny 'b' though (at least that's how I read the weather code) ;D
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 26 August 2011, 14:26:30
Birmingham - 4 May 1921

Read Warrants No. 80, 81, + 82.

New brass on board - look out :(
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 27 August 2011, 08:10:01
Birmingham - 2 June 1921

Read Warrant No. 85.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Googolplex on 27 August 2011, 11:50:44
You must have finished the last few pages - I stopped at 1st June last night as it was getting very late and the last entry on the 7th of June simply says "0930 Paid off".

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-71398/ADM53-71398-189_0.jpg

Quite appropriate.  Birmingham is now complete, congratulations to all the crew.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 27 August 2011, 13:36:59
Yup  ;D
Not terribly interesting - lots of cleaning ship.
You did quite a long haul!
I've been staying up too late too. MUST stop that.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 27 August 2011, 15:32:04
Complete technical data from HMS Ambrose:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-70443/ADM%2053-70443-003_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-70443/ADM%2053-70443-004_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-70443/ADM%2053-70443-005_1.jpg

It must come from the original log because it starts at the first of November 1922 and I already transcribed the first 4 days of November but the writing was a bit different.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 27 August 2011, 21:40:24
Clio's log, 18 October 1917: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38071/ADM%2053-38071-012_0.jpg

5.30 Read Warrant No 23
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Googolplex on 28 August 2011, 05:23:23
I've been staying up too late too. MUST stop that.

Me too, I'll take it easy for a few days now on the Trent and then maybe help to finish the Orcoma  :-\.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 28 August 2011, 09:43:43
Clio's log, 19 October 1917: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38071/ADM%2053-38071-012_1.jpg

2.20 Finished coaling  Discharged 66 cases 3 pdr & 10 cases 4" to shore from Pyramus.  Discharged rating to detention
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 28 August 2011, 13:55:57
Britomart, May 1919 log book, has some information filled in about how many miles they'd done at which speeds - I've never come across this before.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36259/ADM%2053-36259-002_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 28 August 2011, 15:23:30
15th April 1916 8 am Marmora Hoisted Disaplinary Flag
                         9 pm                Jack Hauled down

16th April 1916 Ex Eng ~ Lieut (Temp) H Jenkins discharged to collier Northwaite

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48582/ADM%2053-48582-010_1.jpg

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48582/ADM%2053-48582-011_0.jpg

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 28 August 2011, 16:04:01
Britomart, May 1919 log book, has some information filled in about how many miles they'd done at which speeds - I've never come across this before.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36259/ADM%2053-36259-002_1.jpg

I suspect that many captains and log keepers, in response to a request to furnish these details, would say: "Don't you know there's a war on?"
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 28 August 2011, 20:27:17
I've seen it in a number of original logs, AND there was one time destroyer Torch did a test run to collect that information.  It is not long term, but the record of the shake-down cruise after a complete refit.  The first day out of dock in Gibraltar, she ran for an hour or more at different speeds and then for an hour or two at the fastest possible safe speed.  (I think she got up to 38 knots, and her normal cruising speed was almost 10 knots faster than before the tune-up. It must have felt like flying.)  Recording the fuel used in detail all day.  That establishes that ships most economical speed, and was the last time such details were noted.  Except, when they went faster than economical, they had to account for it in writing.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63344/ADM%2053-63344-014_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 01 September 2011, 14:52:31
Lancaster - 25 Oct 1916

Read Warrant No. 64
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Carrie32 on 02 September 2011, 14:41:13

Four days on one page and no weather.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37092/ADM53-37092-016_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Carrie32 on 02 September 2011, 14:46:02

Another 4 days.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37092/ADM53-37092-017_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Carrie32 on 02 September 2011, 14:50:22
Only 2 days and ship given over to Cunard.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37092/ADM53-37092-017_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 02 September 2011, 18:55:13
It's interesting to see how quickly the ship became non-navy.  Though the cessation of weather readings is explained the afternoon of the day before - all instruments were packed up and returned to stores!  I'm quite sure the team will have no trouble knowing what's happening. :)

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37092/ADM53-37092-016_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 03 September 2011, 11:15:15
HMS Moorhen, May 1920, China Station 
Illustrating the effect on a shallow draught gunboat of steaming up river against a 3 knot current:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49931/ADM%2053-49931-002_1.jpg

and in June:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49932/ADM%2053-49932-002_1.jpg

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 03 September 2011, 11:23:01
They obviously had to work hard in the rapids!
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 03 September 2011, 19:09:09
Lancaster - 17 Nov 1916

Read Warrant No. 66
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 05 September 2011, 08:30:00
HMS Moorhen, China Station

"Rough log lost overboard during heavy squall night July 31st - 1st August copy of log had only been completed to 15th July. Remainder is made out from Navigating Officer's notebook. PH" (?initials)

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49933/ADM%2053-49933-011_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: cyzaki on 05 September 2011, 13:46:12
How do you lose a logbook overboard in a squall? Were they strolling along the deck perusing it in the rain? Surely it's kept indoors?
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 05 September 2011, 19:37:34
Ouch!  I understood from Dorbel and others that it was kept in the deckhouse - so there was probably structural damage as well.  None of which they added to the Navigator's notes.  (Sigh.)  I'll tell Philip that 2 weeks of weather was entirely lost.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 05 September 2011, 20:12:56
There was no mention of damage, and it couldn't have been included in the rough log for obvious reasons.
There had been no wind for days and temperatures into the 90s. I think they'd just left the doors and windows open. Yes, it looks as though HMS Moorhen had windows:
http://www.naval-history.net/PhotoWW1-11rgbMoorhen-Teal-Widgeon1PS.JPG
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 06 September 2011, 13:05:54
One Sub-Lieutenant admonished and one cell prisoner released.

Admonished Act Paym Sub Lt E.R. Hok Royal Navy for improperly carrying out his Duties, in that he failed to report to Paym. Comdr. Victor O Padwick Royal Navy an Error in the Savings Bank Ledger.

Signed by Sub-Lieut Edward R. Hok and Commander (S) Geoffrey M.S. Walkins.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-70443/ADM%2053-70443-103_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 06 September 2011, 15:37:56
HMS Lancaster - 13 Feb 1917

Read Warrant No. 87
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 07 September 2011, 16:15:29
HMS Bristol

7 Aug 1913
Read Warrant No 1 - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36118/0026_1.jpg

25 Aug 1913
Read Warrant No 2 - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36118/0035_1.jpg

15 Sept 1913
Read Warrant No 3 - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36118/0046_0.jpg

16 Sept 1913
Read Warrant No 4. - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36118/0046_1.jpg

1 Oct 1913
Read Warrant No 5 - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36118/0056_0.jpg

19 Jan 1914
Read Warrant No 12 and 13 - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36118/0111_0.jpg





27 June 1914
Read Warrant No. 25

8 July 1914
Read Warrant No. 26

26 Oct 1914
Read Warrant No. 39
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69477/ADM53-69477-071_1.jpg

9 Feb 1915
Read Warrant No. 45
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69477/ADM53-69477-124_1.jpg

20 May 1918
Read Warrants 83 + 84

1 Aug 1918
Read Warrants 87 + 88

7 Aug 1918
Read Warrant No 89

12 Aug 1918
Read Warrant No 90

17 Sept 1918
Read Warrant No. 96

30 Sept 1918
Read Warrant No. 98

21 Oct 1918
read warrant No. 99

4 Jan 1919
Read Warrant 104

31 Jan 1919
Read Warrant 106

1 Feb 1919
Read Warrant 107

12 Feb 1919
Read Warrant No 109

17 Feb 1919
Read Warrant 110

3 Mar 1919
Read Warrant No 111

19 Mar 1919
Read Warrant No. 118.

7 Apr 1919
Read Warrant No. 114

7 May 1919
Read Warrant 116
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 16 September 2011, 12:56:02
Britomart December 1919, some details on one of the pages at the beginning of the log book

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36266/ADM%2053-36266-002_1.jpg

And the same for March 1920

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36269/ADM%2053-36269-002_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 18 September 2011, 20:51:49
HMS Cyclamen 7 Oct 1923 Gulf of Aden
Compass deviation:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74783/ADM%2053-74783-116_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74783/ADM%2053-74783-117_1.jpg

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: LupusUK on 19 September 2011, 03:19:54
Vouchers for payment of pilotage inserted in the log of HMS Sapphire between the 17th/18th July 1914

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59127/ADM%2053-59127-014_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59127/ADM%2053-59127-014_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59127/ADM%2053-59127-016_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59127/ADM%2053-59127-016_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59127/ADM%2053-59127-018_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59127/ADM%2053-59127-018_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59127/ADM%2053-59127-020_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59127/ADM%2053-59127-020_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59127/ADM%2053-59127-022_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59127/ADM%2053-59127-022_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 29 September 2011, 19:37:18
Welland's log:  http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68361/ADM%2053-68361-002_0.jpg

List of irregularities, omissions, etc., identified by the HMS Alacrity at Kobe, 13 April 1914, in the copy of the Welland's log, for the period ending 31 March 1914.

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 29 September 2011, 21:08:36
Welland's log:  http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68361/ADM%2053-68361-002_0.jpg

List of irregularities, omissions, etc., identified by the HMS Alacrity at Kobe, 13 April 1914, in the copy of the Welland's log, for the period ending 31 March 1914.


I think I heard the sound of knuckles being rapped. That seems to be a memo from the Admiralty "advising" the captain of deficiencies in his household accounts.
To judge by later logs, things seem to have become slightly less officious following the development in August of that year.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Press-ganged by the Swiss Navy on 01 October 2011, 12:39:11
Here's an stern note to the Quartermaster of the Forenoon stuck at the end of a log book in March 1915:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59127/ADM%2053-59127-142_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59127/ADM%2053-59127-142_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 01 October 2011, 13:19:44
I find it interesting that the admonishment to the "captain of the hold" was interrupted and then never finished.  It must not have been so overwhelming important, anyway. ::)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 01 October 2011, 13:30:38
I think the quartermaster of the forenoon watch on Patuca must have been negligent too - there never seems to be anyone on the sick list, which I don't quite believe!  Not while being buffetted around the north Atlantic for weeks on end.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 02 October 2011, 14:02:31
What I think are compass deviations, from Patuca, 26th May 1916, at N. Base

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-186_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 03 October 2011, 18:45:46
Welland's log:  http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68361/ADM%2053-68361-002_0.jpg

List of irregularities, omissions, etc., identified by the HMS Alacrity at Kobe, 13 April 1914, in the copy of the Welland's log, for the period ending 31 March 1914.


I think I heard the sound of knuckles being rapped. That seems to be a memo from the Admiralty "advising" the captain of deficiencies in his household accounts.
To judge by later logs, things seem to have become slightly less officious following the development in August of that year.

Yes, I can imagine they might have had "other things" to redirect their attention in August...
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 04 October 2011, 11:31:12
No idea whether this is of any use/interest - but here it is.  It's from Patuca, and came after 27th May 1916.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-188_0.jpg

and the following page:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-188_1.jpg

and someone grabbing a scrap piece of paper - why it's here I have no idea.  It looks like just a bit of the log, but pasted on the cover.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-189_0.jpg

and yet more
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-189_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 04 October 2011, 11:44:45
Something official at last!  Patuca, the log for 28th May 1916 to 18th May 1917, an opening page with lots of info about the ship.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54675/ADM%2053-54675-003_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 04 October 2011, 11:51:35
And more - for Patuca May 1916 to May 1917, page with lots of info about the ship.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54675/ADM%2053-54675-004_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 04 October 2011, 12:06:38
No idea whether this is of any use/interest - but here it is.  It's from Patuca, and came after 27th May 1916.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-188_0.jpg

and the following page:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-188_1.jpg

and someone grabbing a scrap piece of paper - why it's here I have no idea.  It looks like just a bit of the log, but pasted on the cover.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-189_0.jpg

and yet more
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54674/ADM%2053-54674-189_1.jpg


Well, it's of interest to me (apart from the doodles and sums).
#3 looks like it's the programme for the day's activities.
#4 (a) looks like the initial jotting for recording in the "original" log.
#4 (b) as (a) for a ship "inspected"
#4 (c) as (a) "a mention" for the assisting tug and local pilot.
Another indication, if it were needed, that log books were written up after the event and not contemporaneously.
Nice find.  8)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 04 October 2011, 12:35:45
A little repayment for needing help with the Captain?
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 04 October 2011, 19:22:19
Welland's log, 1914:  http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68362/ADM%2053-68362-002b_0.jpg

List of "irregularities, omissions, etc." found in the original log of the Welland, compiled by the HMS Minotaur at Wei Hai Wei, 22 Jun 1914.

Stamped by the Commander in Chief, China Station, 9 Jul 1914

Interestingly enough, there is a second copy of the same record...

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68362/ADM%2053-68362-002d_0.jpg

And another: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68362/ADM%2053-68362-002e_0.jpg

An early example of making a record in triplicate???
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 04 October 2011, 19:34:34
Letter:

HMS Triumph, June 8, 1914

(To) Commanding Officer, HMS Triumph

"Log of HMS Welland examined & found correct."

(signed)  T. D. Sharp, Kings Harbour Master
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 04 October 2011, 20:30:24
Welland's log, 1914:  http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68362/ADM%2053-68362-002b_0.jpg

List of "irregularities, omissions, etc." found in the original log of the Welland, compiled by the HMS Minotaur at Wei Hai Wei, 22 Jun 1914.

Stamped by the Commander in Chief, China Station, 9 Jul 1914

Interestingly enough, there is a second copy of the same record...

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68362/ADM%2053-68362-002d_0.jpg

And another: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68362/ADM%2053-68362-002e_0.jpg

An early example of making a record in triplicate???


Those are so similar (the position of the initials & signatures) that I think the triplication occurred during the scanning.
One in April and one in June. Looks like someone had it in for HMS Welland.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 04 October 2011, 20:32:56
Letter:

HMS Triumph, June 8, 1914

(To) Commanding Officer, HMS Triumph

"Log of HMS Welland examined & found correct."

(signed)  T. D. Sharp, Kings Harbour Master


A "Well done" in between two "Must do better"s.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 05 October 2011, 15:52:01
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46028/ADM%2053-46028-015_1.jpg

A little reminder note from the log of HMS Lancaster, in Jan 1918.

And the back of the same note, with nothing on it.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46028/ADM%2053-46028-016_0.jpg

K
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 05 October 2011, 16:28:36
Interesting!
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 05 October 2011, 19:19:25
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46028/ADM%2053-46028-015_1.jpg

A little reminder note from the log of HMS Lancaster, in Jan 1918.

And the back of the same note, with nothing on it.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46028/ADM%2053-46028-016_0.jpg

K

Cool!
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 08 October 2011, 15:00:33
H.M.S. Marmora 17.11.1916
Alfred Sargent of mv M.M. departed this life.  Cause of death fever.  Official number MMR 851066

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48589/ADM%2053-48589-011_1.jpg

 >:(  , keeping my finger crossed I haven't forgotten my lessons during my absence
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 08 October 2011, 15:01:34
You haven't - good to see you back!
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 08 October 2011, 15:42:41
HMS Marmora 18.11.1916.  Committed the remains of A.Sargent of mv. to the deep with Church of England rites.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48589/ADM%2053-48589-012_0.jpg

R.I.P.  Alfred Sargent
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Caro on 08 October 2011, 16:15:53
Nice to see you back amamdury.
I will copy your posts to Burials at sea.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 08 October 2011, 16:24:16
Thanks Caro, I've a mad clicker, seems to click onto anything, promise to do better   Amamdury
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Caro on 08 October 2011, 16:30:44
You are doing just fine. :D
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 08 October 2011, 16:53:20
Ta, shall keep working now   :D
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 09 October 2011, 16:46:37
Marmora 4th December 1916
Received 13 parcels of stores for HM Ships from collier

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48590/ADM%2053-48590-005_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 09 October 2011, 17:55:09
10th December 1916 HMS Marmora
Stop as required to transfer mails to Flagship and 6 cases (3 for HMS Donegal) and mails and 2 packages to HMS Swiftsure

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48590/ADM%2053-48590-008_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 09 October 2011, 18:14:57
HMS Marmora 11th December 1916

M.F.A. Volutle made fast port side. Transferred mails & 4 cases stores for HMS Ophir
Governors ADC paid official visit
HMS Orotara arrived
3 RNVR Signalmen joined ship from HMS Orotara
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48590/ADM%2053-48590-008_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Kathy on 10 October 2011, 08:26:02
From the Thistle
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62873/ADM%2053-62873-009_1.jpg

page just after 1/11/1916
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jennfurr on 10 October 2011, 10:06:59
From the Thistle
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62873/ADM%2053-62873-009_1.jpg

page just after 1/11/1916

Uncommon name - I'm reading it as John D Irvine.  I wonder if that's related to the Irvine family that settled in Southern California?  ::pondering::
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 10 October 2011, 10:32:42

Uncommon name - I'm reading it as John D Irvine.  I wonder if that's related to the Irvine family that settled in Southern California?  ::pondering::


I agree with your reading and, I suppose there could be a relationship if you go back far enough; say to Adam and Eve.  ;D
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 10 October 2011, 12:49:53

Uncommon name - I'm reading it as John D Irvine.  I wonder if that's related to the Irvine family that settled in Southern California?  ::pondering::


I agree with your reading and, I suppose there could be a relationship if you go back far enough; say to Adam and Eve.  ;D

Doesn't feel uncommon to me - sounds Scottish!
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 10 October 2011, 19:40:06
Welland's log, 6th September 1914: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68364/ADM%2053-68364-021_1.jpg

3 am entry:

Sub Lieut R. Leeds was found asleep whilst in charge of the watch, the flotilla at the time were steaming without lights.  (Signed) R. Leeds Sub Lt.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 10 October 2011, 20:18:48
Welland's log, 13 September 1914:  http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68364/ADM%2053-68364-025_0.jpg

10.45 Escort & 1 AB absentee  returned onboard.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 11 October 2011, 19:52:47
Welland's log: 21 September 1914: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68364/ADM%2053-68364-029_0.jpg

2.45 Read warrants nos 2 & 3
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 17 October 2011, 15:38:11
HMS Marmora
9th February 1917 in Devonport Dock
One coal truck lost overboard by accident by H Greenwood O.S.
1 Prisoner returned to ship under escort
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48592/ADM%2053-48592-007_1.jpg

11th February 1917 still in Devonport Dock
1 prisoner returned under escort. 1 stoker joined ship on passage
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48592/ADM%2053-48592-008_1.jpg

12th February 1917 Devonport Dock
One prisoner (stoker RNR) discharged to depot
5/30 Captains of convoy ships boarded for instructions
10/40 Weighed, swung ship & proceeded out of harbour FBD's Martin & Lizard in escort
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48592/ADM%2053-48592-009_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 17 October 2011, 16:34:40
HMS Marmora
14th February 1917
9/25 Destroyers Martin & Lizard parted company. Transport Benalla sighted and took station astern
Noon, Transport Marathon sighted and took station astern
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48592/ADM%2053-48592-010_0.jpg

15th February 1917
2/40 Transports Balmoral Castle,  Ascanius & Ulysses joined convoy & took appointed station
4/0 Read Warrant No 44
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48592/ADM%2053-48592-010_1.jpg

16th February 1917
4/0 Read Warrant No 45
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48592/ADM%2053-48592-011_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 17 October 2011, 17:02:24
Juno's log, 29 January 1917: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45477/ADM%2053-45477-017_1.jpg

4.00 Evening Quarters  Read warrant No 110
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 17 October 2011, 17:57:15
HMS Orvieto:

A complete list of cargo loaded in Rio de Janeiro.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53902/ADM%2053-53902-014_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 17 October 2011, 17:58:33
Marmora     26th February 1917
Various Surgeons and ratings discharged to ships King Alfred, Swiftsure, Ophir and Oratara
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48592/ADM%2053-48592-016_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 17 October 2011, 18:15:19
Marmora  27th February 1917
Discharged fresh meat as follows, King Alfred 4135 lbs, Sutty 2958 lbs, Swiftsure 2051 lbs. Discharged 2 ratings and 1 stoker under escort to Ophir. Discharged 10 boys & 1 marine to Swiftsure. Discharged 29 ratings for Highflyer to King Alfred
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48592/ADM%2053-48592-016_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 17 October 2011, 19:23:52
Picnic time, and I'm not invited.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 17 October 2011, 22:11:17
Marmora 28th February 1917
HMS Ophir sailed
Fresh vegetables discharged to N Agent 15,120 lbs
One Surgeon-I.Bostoor & 1 seaman joined ship on passage.
A.Willette, Marconi operator MN joined ship from hospital.
Received 1237 tons of coal
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48592/ADM%2053-48592-017_0.jpg

Well Bunts bit more for the picnic, still waiting on the butter & bread, you bringing the champagne?
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 17 October 2011, 23:46:24
Marmora 7th March 1917
1/0  P Log line found carried away
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48593/ADM%2053-48593-006_1.jpg

11th March 1917
Slip of paper - List of compass deviations obscuring half of weather reports
6/30 Swing ship for compass Deviation. 7/30 Swinging completed.  Proceeded at Full Speed to rejoin convoy
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48593/ADM%2053-48593-008_1.jpg
Same page photographed again 2 days later with slip of paper moved
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48593/ADM%2053-48593-009_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 18 October 2011, 00:04:15
Marmora 12th March 1917
9/34 Passed HMS Kent & Convoy
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48593/ADM%2053-48593-010_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 18 October 2011, 09:10:24
Marmora 28th February 1917
HMS Ophir sailed
Fresh vegetables discharged to N Agent 15,120 lbs
One Surgeon-I.Bostoor & 1 seaman joined ship on passage.
A.Willette, Marconi operator MN joined ship from hospital.
Received 1237 tons of coal
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48592/ADM%2053-48592-017_0.jpg

Well Bunts bit more for the picnic, still waiting on the butter & bread, you bringing the champagne?


All that flour and you not made a single loaf?
I'll see if I can milk our sheep and churn some butter, but it's going to be chilled cocoa, I'm afraid.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 18 October 2011, 17:27:19
Sorry Bunt, no flour, flower, lots of names for cross ref though

HMS Marmora 14th March 1917

Pilot J.P.Storm in pilotage charge. Let go from wharf. Passed out of dock, let go Port anchor, Charts received, weighed and proceeded out of harbour.  Transports Ulysus, Ascanius, Marathon and Balmoral Castle in convoy
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48593/ADM%2053-48593-011_0.jpg

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 18 October 2011, 19:09:22
Marmora 19th March 1917
Pilot A.S. Duthie in charge. Proceeded with Transports Seang Bee, Phemeus and Ulysus in convoy

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48593/ADM%2053-48593-013_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Geoff on 19 October 2011, 03:07:07
Two pages of jottings and calculations from the end of the January 1923 log for HMS Crocus:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74527/ADM%2053-74527-187_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74527/ADM%2053-74527-187_1.jpg)

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74527/ADM%2053-74527-188_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74527/ADM%2053-74527-188_0.jpg)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 19 October 2011, 17:12:36
Marmora  30th March 1917
9/5 Hauled out of convoy line, stopped and dropped target & carry out firing practice. 11.40 Target recovered.  Alter course N12W & proceed at all possible speed to rejoin convoy
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48593/ADM%2053-48593-019_0.jpg

4th April 1917
11/30 Passed HMS Mantua with convoy of 7 transports steering SSE
3/30 Starboard Engine 'Stop', Heated bearing, hauled out of line. 3/45 Regained station & resumed speed
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48594/ADM%2053-48594-005_0.jpg

7th April 1917
6/20 Commenced discharging bullion into lighters with working parties from King Alfred and Bacchante. HMS Astrea arrived
10/20 Finished discharging bullion
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48594/ADM%2053-48594-006_1.jpg

When I did logs on the Bacchante I had not worked out to do 'posts' and had since forgotten about the bullion, quite odd to find I am now doing it from the opposite side.   I am pretty sure it was on the Bacchante one report was 'Boy from topmast, he is no more', the following day there was a funeral party sent ashore, no names were mentioned, hopefully someone else has found and posted.   Rest in Peace that boy
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 20 October 2011, 12:53:03
Archibald Buchanan reprimanded  for leaving his place of duty on the Marmora
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48594/ADM%2053-48594-008_0.jpg
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Post by: CHommel on 20 October 2011, 18:47:55
Juno's log, 5 July 1917:   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45481/ADM%2053-45481-005_1.jpg

IV.0 Read warrant No 129.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 22 October 2011, 13:28:29
Marmora 26th May 1917
5/15 Read Warrant No 47
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48595/ADM%2053-48595-016_0.jpg

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 22 October 2011, 15:07:34
From Patuca's log, the day after 15th November 1916:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54675/ADM%2053-54675-091_0.jpg
and the other half: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54675/ADM%2053-54675-091_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 22 October 2011, 15:43:02
HMS Marmora  8th June 1917
Received 48 boxes, said to contain gold
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48596/ADM%2053-48596-007_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: heffkit on 22 October 2011, 17:49:16
helenj - I have done my best to stitch them together...


...see attachment  :)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 22 October 2011, 18:36:45
That certainly meets the Ernie Wise criterion.
(Not butterfly sutures, I guess.)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Press-ganged by the Swiss Navy on 23 October 2011, 04:35:43
HMS Marmora  8th June 1917
Received 48 boxes, said to contain gold
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48596/ADM%2053-48596-007_0.jpg

Hi amamdury

That would make sense. HMS Amethyst picked up 295 cases of gold (estimated value ?1 million), also from Sierra Leone, on 9th June 1918 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33559/ADM53-33559-007_1.jpg

So I imagine there was quite a regular supply line from West African gold mines to help pay for the war - with all the associated labour exploitation and pollution, sadly not much has changed in a century: http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/03/20/us-leone-gold-diamonds-idUSTRE52J2IV20090320   :(

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 23 October 2011, 10:16:39
helenj - I have done my best to stitch them together...


...see attachment  :)

Thank you Heffkit  - I rather hoped that someone with the necessary skills would come along!
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: heffkit on 23 October 2011, 13:13:25
My pleasure, helenj  :)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 23 October 2011, 16:45:40
Marmora 25th June 1917

British Airship 'C.9' overhead & reported she would accompany convoy to port scouting ahead
British Seaplane overhead scouting
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48596/ADM%2053-48596-015_1.jpg

Marmora was carrying about 500 boxes of gold and 18 invalided personnel plus 2 prisoners, page does go on to say they 'entered swept harbour', they were determined to get this one home

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 23 October 2011, 17:10:22
Hi Press-Ganged
Looking at Amethyst estimate of their gold value the amount being shipped around was a part of war I had never thought of before
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 24 October 2011, 16:44:06
Juno's log, 10 July 1917: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45481/ADM%2053-45481-008_0.jpg

Read warrants No. 130 & 131.

12 July 1917: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45481/ADM%2053-45481-009_0.jpg

IV.0 Evening quarters.  Read warrant No 132.  2nd port PW wash down upper deck &slope Y.D. awning. Duty hands pumping water.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 24 October 2011, 17:07:35
Juno's log, 13 July 1917: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45481/ADM%2053-45481-009_1.jpg

IX.0 3 ratings attend Sailor Home for dental treatment.  2 ratings attend Sailor Home for blood test.
X.45 One rating discharged to Hospital.  XI.20 One rating joined from hospital.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 25 October 2011, 09:31:11
Marmora 10th July 1917 in Glasgow Dock for refit
Read Warrant No 49. 1 Leading Fireman MM discharged to Barlinnie Prison
1 P.O. & 10 men landed-Funeral Party
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48597/ADM%2053-48597-008_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Caro on 25 October 2011, 15:53:38
HMS Caroline  May 5, 1921

Record of observations for deviation
Description and position of correctors

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-72752/ADM%2053-72752-167_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-72752/ADM%2053-72752-168_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 25 October 2011, 18:29:01
HMS Marmora 21st July 1917
Read Warrants 50, 51.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48597/ADM%2053-48597-013_1.jpg

28th July 1917
Read Warrant No 52. 1 Fireman Discharged to HMS Vivid for detention
Read Warrant No 53
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48597/ADM%2053-48597-017_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 26 October 2011, 19:17:09
Marmora 8th August 1917
Read warrant No 55
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48598/ADM%2053-48598-007_0.jpg

14th August 1917
Read Warrant No 56
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48598/ADM%2053-48598-010_0.jpg

15th August 1917
Read Warrant no 57
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48598/ADM%2053-48598-010_1.jpg

29th August 1917
Finished working specie. Received 309 boxes said to contain specie
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48598/ADM%2053-48598-017_1.jpg


Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 27 October 2011, 16:33:30
Marmora 2nd September 1917
1 AB, 1 Pt RMLI, 1 Fireman & 1 OS under arrest, joined ship on passage
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48599/ADM%2053-48599-004_0.jpg

3rd September 1917
Read warrant no 58
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48599/ADM%2053-48599-004_1.jpg

10th September 1917
Lost overboard by accident on 3/4" anchor shackle
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48599/ADM%2053-48599-008_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: szukacz on 29 October 2011, 03:26:25
Hi Amamdur,
Do not know what the numbers in the columns related to weather conditions.
Never with something that is not met.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 29 October 2011, 14:30:13
Hi Szukacz
With the P. & S. and numbers above the weather report I did wonder if they refer to Port and Starboard, the numbers I have not been able to match to anything.   Most of the weather reports are entered into the log with very few exceptions so the Captain or his crew may have been keeping a check of something else, I'd love to know if anyone has an answer to this conundrum.

 http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48599/ADM%2053-48599-008_0.jpg
A typical day in the life of the Marmora
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 29 October 2011, 14:52:04
They seem to always increase :-\

I wonder if they could be revs for the port and starboard engines ???
I have seen revs noted occasionally.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48599/ADM%2053-48599-004_0.jpg
Starts after leaving port
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: szukacz on 29 October 2011, 15:19:15
Really interesting. ;D
I will seek. But I do not know where to start can tell the team something?
Really interesting,
What the author had in mind.
If he wrote it with such thoroughness, it had to have meaning for him. ::)

Hmmm, From what I see, please confirm.
Notes were only added when the ship left port.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Kathy on 29 October 2011, 15:30:09
maybe the numbers have something to do with the Patent Log - they seem much to high to be engine revolutions (revs)

Kathy
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 29 October 2011, 15:31:34
Hi Szukacz
I think I have noticed these numbers only on the last journey from Sierra Leone, they did have engine trouble at one point so maybe they were keeping note of revolutions but this is only a copytypists wild guess, not to be taken seriously
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 29 October 2011, 15:36:43
maybe the numbers have something to do with the Patent Log - they seem much to high to be engine revolutions (revs)

Kathy
I wondered about the Patent Log too, but I thought that that was just a single value - and they are not in the PL column :-\

Well, they start smaller - and show PL values...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48597/ADM%2053-48597-014_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48598/ADM%2053-48598-004_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 29 October 2011, 16:08:57
HMS Marmora 18th September 1917 tied up in Liverpool Dock

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48599/ADM%2053-48599-012_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 29 October 2011, 19:17:58
maybe the numbers have something to do with the Patent Log - they seem much to high to be engine revolutions (revs)

Kathy
I wondered about the Patent Log too, but I thought that that was just a single value - and they are not in the PL column :-\

Well, they start smaller - and show PL values...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48597/ADM%2053-48597-014_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48598/ADM%2053-48598-004_0.jpg


szukacz, amamdury, Kathy, Randy,
Yep they are readings from the engine revolutions counter. Like the mileage reading in a car they're used to measure the amount of work the engine has done, for servicing purposes.
Assuming 4 hours of similar speed, take the reading from the "Revs" column (that's per minute) multiply it by 60 (giving revs per hour) multiply it by 4 then add it to the first reading and it will give the second reading. (Well, it did on the one I checked.)
The readings are not the same for both engines. I checked the wind direction to see if that was a factor but it seems not. So it may be a slight difference in the pitch of the propellors necessitating one engine to turn faster.  ???
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 29 October 2011, 19:32:11
Thanks, Bunts.  That's very interesting.  I would guess that it would mostly be tracked by engineering unless that big difference between the engines is symptomatic of a possibly dangerous problem that the top officers need to be aware of.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Kathy on 29 October 2011, 19:34:10
it never even occurred to me that there would be a rev meter like a mileage meter -

learn something new every day!  ;D

thanks Bunts -  :-*

Kathy
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 30 October 2011, 14:09:17
Marmora 25th September 1917
Read Warrant no 59
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48599/ADM%2053-48599-015_1.jpg

13th October 1917 - thought you may enjoy this one, we are approaching home waters surrounded by the enemy and this lot must sound like New Years Eve
Exercised convoy in fog signalling with steam whistle
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48600/ADM%2053-48600-009_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 31 October 2011, 13:57:20
A list of cargo taken onboard H.M.S. Orvieto.

I do not understand why boxes of empty shells are loaded.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53907/ADM%2053-53907-009_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 31 October 2011, 17:48:52
They may have been sent back for refurbishing or for scrap metal.
Around dockyards there was a ready market for any cast off materials, e.g. old rope which was shredded and (amongst other things) made into caulk to fill joints in between planking, or paper. Hence the expression "Money for old rope".
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 01 November 2011, 08:46:34
WT Call Signs Berwick Convoy East Bound January, 1918
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-35287/ADM%2053-35287-013_0.jpg
lgb
RHS of same document
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-35287/ADM%2053-35287-013_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 03 November 2011, 01:27:22
Marmora 16th November 1917
Reprimanded Tempy Surgeon Arthur P.Barrett for disobeying the orders of the Captain in exceeding the daily limit of his wine bill on 16th November 1917 as laid down by an order given on 25th August 1917, signed by AP.Barrett, Surgeon
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48601/ADM%2053-48601-011_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: LupusUK on 04 November 2011, 15:46:49
Inserted in the log of HMS Usk
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-66572/ADM%2053-66572-002_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 04 November 2011, 17:49:57
Marmora
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48601/ADM%2053-48601-018_1.jpg   :-\
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 04 November 2011, 18:33:05
Clio's log, 21 February 1918: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38075/ADM%2053-38075-013_1.jpg

2.0 Read Warrant No. 25  Discharged 1 seedie to detention.

4.45 Read Warrant No. 26  Discharged 1 ord. seaman to HMS Juno
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 05 November 2011, 14:04:54
Marmora 10th December 1917
Reprimanded Lieut IMD.Stuart RNR, Eng.Sub.Lieut A.Malcolm RNR, Eng'r Sub- Lieut A.Buchanan RNR for disobedience of orders in exceeding the limit of their Wine Bills as ordered by the Captain in accordance with Art.578KR & AI Clause(2), signed by each man
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48602/ADM%2053-48602-008_0.jpg

26th December 1917
Read Warrant No 64
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48602/ADM%2053-48602-016_0.jpg
Title: Re: Compass Corrections, Berwick
Post by: Lancsgreybeard on 05 November 2011, 17:03:34
Berwick, February 3rd, 1919,  Position 22 10s; 73 50w

LHS of ?Record of Observations?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-35298/ADM53-35298-025_0.jpg

Signed Capt R.G.D Dewar, Capt RN
Navigating Officer H.W.M. Jackson, Lieut RN


RHS Of ?Record of Observations?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-35298/ADM53-35298-025_1.jpg

lgb
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 06 November 2011, 01:09:49
Berwick 1 February, 1919 in Pacific off S America
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-35298/ADM53-35298-021_1.jpg
Mr Riddells, Boatswain has clearly fallen far short of what is expected of him in the performance of his duties
lgb
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 06 November 2011, 04:08:48
A number of revolutions for each propellor from HMS Lunka

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47472/ADM%2053-47472-045_1.jpg

And some numbers without reference.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47472/ADM%2053-47472-046_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 06 November 2011, 04:54:56
Marmora 4th January 1918
Reprimanded Tempy Sub Lieut CJ.Stewart RNVR for disobedience of orders Art 724 HR~A3. This officer was discharged to Hospital as a mental case & was unable to sign 
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48603/ADM%2053-48603-005_0.jpg

5th January 1918
Read Warrant No 65
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48603/ADM%2053-48603-005_1.jpg

6th January 1918
6.30 Escort landed to St George's Hall for absentee
Sub Lieut(Tempy) CJ.Stewart RNVR discharged to hospital
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: heffkit on 06 November 2011, 13:43:21
HMS Primrose - warrants

8 Jan 17 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-55864/Z1-ADM53-55864-007_0.jpg)

4/45 Nos 13 + 14 Warrants read.

(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Princess170109-warrants.png)


15 Jan 17 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-55864/Z1-ADM53-55864-010_1.jpg)

Read No 15 Warrant

(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Princess170115-warrant.png)


17 Feb 17 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-55865/Z1-ADM53-55865-011_1.jpg)

4/30 Nos. 16 + 17 warrants read

(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Princess170217-warrants1617.png)


19 feb 17 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-55865/Z1-ADM53-55865-012_1.jpg)

Read No 18 warrant for cells


26 Feb 17 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-55865/Z1-ADM53-55865-016_0.jpg)

4/30 Evening quarters - read Nos 19 + 20 warrants for cells


Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 11 November 2011, 11:55:04
Marmora 4th March 1918
Read Warrant No's 70 & 71
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48605/ADM%2053-48605-005_0.jpg

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 11 November 2011, 13:14:12
A handwritten log page from Patuca, 19th May 1917, plus a signal pasted in.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54675/ADM%2053-54675-186_0.jpg

and the next page, which I'm guessing is the second half of the same day - wonder what happened to the actual log page?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54675/ADM%2053-54675-186_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Kathy on 11 November 2011, 13:46:10
I think those are in fact the log pages - the 2nd one is pasted to the back cover of the book and the 1st has hand drawn lines - I bet they ran out of pages in that book - I bet it is the main log book that the copies are made from - maybe they didn't have a new blank book to shift to -

Kathy
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 11 November 2011, 14:10:35
I think those are in fact the log pages - the 2nd one is pasted to the back cover of the book and the 1st has hand drawn lines - I bet they ran out of pages in that book - I bet it is the main log book that the copies are made from - maybe they didn't have a new blank book to shift to -

Kathy

Thanks for that Kathy - I think it's very likely to be the main log book - it mainly is on Patuca, judging by the number of different handwritings on each page!
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 11 November 2011, 14:41:24
HMS Bristol
War Routine for the Tropics: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69477/ADM53-69477-027_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Carrie32 on 11 November 2011, 14:49:41
A very interesting page from HMS Cornwall at the beginning of a Log book.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38701/ADM%2053-38701-004_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 11 November 2011, 14:51:49
A very interesting page from HMS Cornwall at the beginning of a Log book.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38701/ADM%2053-38701-004_0.jpg

That's a particularly good example!  Never seen one as comprehensive or clear as that.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Carrie32 on 11 November 2011, 15:04:16
Another from HMS Cornwall
 http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38701/ADM%2053-38701-005_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 11 November 2011, 15:16:30
 :o  This is really wonderful!  I have not seen anything like this in the ships I've done.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Carrie32 on 11 November 2011, 15:25:36
No I've not seen pages like these before, they really do bring the ship to life.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Carrie32 on 11 November 2011, 16:44:23
From HMS Cornwall again
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38701/ADM%2053-38701-011_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38701/ADM%2053-38701-011_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 11 November 2011, 17:59:12
The detailed list of ship's inventory never appears in copied logs - the printed page is not in those monthly books.  It is in original log books, and is usually filled out in detail when a new captain and crew come aboard to start a new voyage.  They are very interesting, and rare because most of our books are the monthly copies.  The attached diagram of the ship layout is even rarer, not all ships did that even at the start of a voyage.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 11 November 2011, 19:45:53
Welland, 9 June 1915: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68369/ADM%2053-68369-007_1.jpg

4.20 Read warrant No.  Discharged 1 cell prisoner to "Vengeance"

(Log keeper did not fill in the number.)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Thursday Next on 12 November 2011, 15:22:32
Here's some misc from the Carnarvon, 8 December 1914 - additional page as not enough room in the log book.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37094/ADM53-37094-091_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37094/ADM53-37094-092_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37094/ADM53-37094-092_1.jpg

Transcription included here: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=2205.0
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 13 November 2011, 17:22:12
Marmora 14th March 1918
Read Warrant No 72
8.45 Passed small rowing boat empty
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48605/ADM%2053-48605-010_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jennfurr on 13 November 2011, 19:48:24
Marmora 14th March 1918
Read Warrant No 72
8.45 Passed small rowing boat empty
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48605/ADM%2053-48605-010_0.jpg

Did they sink it as they passed?
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 13 November 2011, 19:50:58
No just drifted on by, thought they could have rescued the poor little thing ???
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 13 November 2011, 20:30:01
Marmora 28th March 1918
Read Warrant No 73
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48605/ADM%2053-48605-017_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 15 November 2011, 16:29:31
Marmora
Starboard boom washed away by heavy Sea & lost overboard
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48606/ADM%2053-48606-007_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Carrie32 on 16 November 2011, 02:35:35

From HMS Cornwall
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38701/ADM%2053-38701-030_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38701/ADM%2053-38701-030_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: heffkit on 16 November 2011, 04:46:25
Marmora
Starboard boom washed away by heavy Sea & lost overboard
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48606/ADM%2053-48606-007_1.jpg

I've copied this across to the 'lost overboard (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=2155.0)' subject...  :)


it's on p5

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: heffkit on 16 November 2011, 11:16:59
HMS Princess, parked at Simonstown harbour

28 May 17 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-55868/Z1-ADM53-55868-017_0.jpg)
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Princess170528-warrant22.png)

29 May 17 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-55868/Z1-ADM53-55868-017_1.jpg)
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Princess180529-warrant24.png)
'4.15 Read Warrant No. 24 for Deprivation of G.C. Badges'*


*does anyone know what that actually means?
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 16 November 2011, 11:56:27
'4.15 Read Warrant No. 24 for Deprivation of G.C. Badges'*

*does anyone know what that actually means?

Hope I've not misread your question.
G.C. Badges - Good Conduct.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pbtyc/KR&AI/GCB.html
There seem to be a financial reward for attainment but I haven't seen any other advantage or responsibility associated, apart from avoiding anything that would jeopardise keeping the badges.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: heffkit on 16 November 2011, 14:09:16
'4.15 Read Warrant No. 24 for Deprivation of G.C. Badges'*

*does anyone know what that actually means?

Hope I've not misread your question.
G.C. Badges - Good Conduct.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pbtyc/KR&AI/GCB.html
There seem to be a financial reward for attainment but I haven't seen any other advantage or responsibility associated, apart from avoiding anything that would jeopardise keeping the badges.

Thanks, Bunts - you have precisely answered my question (to my embarrassment, I just half wondered whether a certain Mr G. C. Badges had had his liberties curtailed!!  :-\  )
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 16 November 2011, 18:37:06
Clio's log, 21 April 1918:  http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38077/ADM%2053-38077-013_1.jpg

2.0 Read warrant No 28.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 17 November 2011, 20:38:22
HMS Cumberland 15 Jul 1918
Compass Info.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-39068/ADM%2053-39068-010_1.jpg

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: tcthai on 20 November 2011, 00:46:11
Rinaldo November 17, 1918
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57917/ADM%2053-57917-012_0.jpg

Looks like: Read warrant to (Petty Officer) No 64
~could be someone's name
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 20 November 2011, 00:50:23
I see it as, "Read warrant to Petty Officers No 64"

Apparently it was confined to middle management, ordinary ratings weren't invited.  Unusual - now I'm really wondering what crime was committed.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 20 November 2011, 12:41:39
From the log of HMS Lancaster. 15th August 1918 in Callao, Peru

"Had occasion to reprimand Major John Bush Royal Marines for being under the influence of liquor while on shore. (Signed) J Bush Major (R) R.M."

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46035/ADM%2053-46035-010_1.jpg

K
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: tcthai on 21 November 2011, 01:55:16
From the log of HMS Rinaldo on 3rd December 1918 Simons Town, Tanzania.

"J McCreedy Cook Mate discharged to detention quarter"

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57918/ADM%2053-57918-005_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: heffkit on 21 November 2011, 18:44:19
HMS Princess, 11 Aug 1917 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-55871/Z1-ADM53-55871-006_1.jpg) (a busy day!)
 
9.15 Court martial assembled & opened.

3/30 Court martial over

4. read warrant No 27 one rating discharged to detention barracks
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jdulak on 23 November 2011, 07:32:03
HMS Lancaster October 1918:

A Note about checking Men's kits

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46037/ADM%2053-46037-005_1.jpg

Request for donation to the "Union Jack Hostel"

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46037/ADM%2053-46037-006_1.jpg


John Dulak
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: heffkit on 23 November 2011, 16:37:52
HMS Clio at Aden, 6 Jul 1918 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38080/ADM%2053-38080-007_1.jpg)

0.55 Read Warrant No. 33
 discharged 1 Seedie to Prison
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 23 November 2011, 18:48:59

From log of HMS Lancaster 5th October 1918 off the coast of Peru.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46037/ADM%2053-46037-010_1.jpg

"Had occasion to reprimand Mr James Sparks, Warrant Engineer R.N.R for conduct unbecoming an officer in borrowing money from a stoker 1st class and not returning it. Signed Jack Sparks. Warrant Engineer R.N.R."
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: tastiger on 25 November 2011, 12:01:21
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-71528/ADM%2053-71528-0048_1.jpg

HMS Bluebell December 14, 1923.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 25 November 2011, 13:54:53
Disciplinary matter on Berwick (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-35292/ADM53-35292-012_0.jpg)
reported by lgb in the following thread: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=2152.msg29178#msg29178

17 June 1918
R'd Warrant No 198

24 June 1918 (in port ;))
Read Warrants Nos 199, 200, 201 + 202
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-35292/ADM53-35292-015_0.jpg

26 June 1918
Read Warrant No.
(must have gotten distracted)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-35292/ADM53-35292-016_0.jpg

1 Jan 1919
Read warrant no 20
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-35298/ADM53-35298-005_0.jpg

2 Jan 1919
Read warrant no 21
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-35298/ADM53-35298-005_1.jpg

3 Jan 1919
Read warrants no 22, 23, 24 + 25
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-35298/ADM53-35298-006_0.jpg

14 Jan 1919
Read warrants no 27, 28 + 29
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-35298/ADM53-35298-011_1.jpg

21 Jan 1919
Read warrant no 30
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-35298/ADM53-35298-015_0.jpg

31 Jan
Read warrants 32 + 33
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-35298/ADM53-35298-021_0.jpg

6 Mar 1919
Read warrant no 43
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-35298/ADM53-35298-042_0.jpg

15 Mar 1919
Read warrant no 44 + 45
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-35298/ADM53-35298-046_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 27 November 2011, 02:58:59
HMS Berwick
Appears to be 1'st pages of original log from 1 Jan 1919 to 12 Aug 1919
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-35298/ADM53-35298-003a_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-35298/ADM53-35298-004_1.jpg

Among other things, it lists Ship's Company. I was somewhat startled, though I probably shouldn't have been, to see that almost half are Engine-room Establishment.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 27 November 2011, 16:55:10
Browsing in a book on naval life in Waterstone's yesterday, I learnt of the increasing need (and often shortage) of stokers in the years before 1914 - so I'm not surprised today, but I would have been too yesterday morning!
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 28 November 2011, 17:59:47
Clio, 1 March 1920: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38090/ADM%2053-38090-003_1.jpg

4.00 Evening quarters.  Landed libertymen.  Warrant No 3 read.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 01 December 2011, 16:56:04
HMS Minerva, probably 30th March 1917 - this seems to be part of a note, but I can't really make out what it's about.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49474/ADM%2053-49474-018_1.jpg

and the reverse of the same page:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49474/ADM%2053-49474-019_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 02 December 2011, 19:25:51
Clio's log, 15 January 1914: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38067/C2-ADM53-38067-0054_1.jpg

4-0-0 Evening quarters.  Read warrant No. 11.

21 January 1914: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38067/C2-ADM53-38067-0057_1.jpg

4-0-0.  Evening quarters.  Read warrant No 12.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: heffkit on 03 December 2011, 18:26:45
HMS Clio, 10 May 14 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38067/C2-ADM53-38067-0110_0.jpg)

'Read return of courts martial,
Sergeant Williamson RMLI awarded medal for Long Service & Good Conduct'

(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Clio140510-medal.png)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: PeteB9 on 05 December 2011, 11:22:35
HMS Philomel 11th Sept 1916

"Investigation by Captain into Lieut Preeny's conduct in the evening of 9th September"

Unfortunately I didn't do the log for 9th so I don't know what happened.

Ship has been polishing her bottom in Muscat for a couple of weeks so maybe he succumbed to the boredom.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 05 December 2011, 11:30:22
HMS Philomel 11th Sept 1916

"Investigation by Captain into Lieut Preeny's conduct in the evening of 9th September"

Unfortunately I didn't do the log for 9th so I don't know what happened.

Ship has been polishing her bottom in Muscat for a couple of weeks so maybe he succumbed to the boredom.
I don't know if it helps, but here is 9 Sept 1916
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-55287/ADM%2053-55287-007_1.jpg

Welcome aboard!
Glad you are sticking out the rather frustrating end of phase 1.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: PeteB9 on 05 December 2011, 11:39:44
HMS Philomel 11th Sept 1916

"Investigation by Captain into Lieut Preeny's conduct in the evening of 9th September"

Unfortunately I didn't do the log for 9th so I don't know what happened.

Ship has been polishing her bottom in Muscat for a couple of weeks so maybe he succumbed to the boredom.
I don't know if it helps, but here is 9 Sept 1916
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-55287/ADM%2053-55287-007_1.jpg

Welcome aboard!
Glad you are sticking out the rather frustrating end of phase 1.

As I suspected - the boredom got the better of him.

I didn't think you could see logs that other people had transcribed until the ship was completed - maybe a button I missed.

Just started since redundancy gave me rather more time on my hands.

My Grandfather served through WW1 so hoping some of his ships will be in phase 2.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 05 December 2011, 11:53:19
You can't see anyone else's editing links.  Everyone can see all the JPEG links from the original scanning - IF you know the urls.  We've gotten very good of finding other references to ships and figuring things out from those links.

See http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1073.0

Once you have any url from the same logbook, you can find other pages by changing the final digits.  the _0 and _1 at the end are the left and right sides of each physical scan.

It lets us cheat and read a lot of good stuff we aren't handed to transcribe. ;D
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 05 December 2011, 14:06:44
As I suspected - the boredom got the better of him.

I didn't think you could see logs that other people had transcribed until the ship was completed - maybe a button I missed.

Just started since redundancy gave me rather more time on my hands.

My Grandfather served through WW1 so hoping some of his ships will be in phase 2.

I'm sure that there are many ways to do this - and this technique will not always work, but here is what I did:

I did a search for Philomel (since you didn't provide a link) and found a message with a link to the page for 3 Apr 1916: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-55282/ADM%2053-55282-004_1.jpg

Since Sept is 5 months later than April, I added 5 in the following TWO locations:  ADM%2053-55287/ADM%2053-55287-004_1.jpg

Since the 9'th is 6 days later that the 3'rd, I added 3 (because of the 0/1) in the following location: ADM%2053-55287/ADM%2053-55287-007_1.jpg

The result (adding back the first part of the address) is: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-55287/ADM%2053-55287-007_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: PeteB9 on 05 December 2011, 14:59:24
Ta for that. Much to learn.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: heffkit on 06 December 2011, 19:06:22
HMS Astraea, 1 Jan 1915 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34351/ADM53-34351-137_0.jpg) at Simonstown

'4.30 Read Warrant No. 31. Discharged one A.B. to Detention Barracks'

Someone started the new year a bit too well!  :-\

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: heffkit on 07 December 2011, 15:12:29
HMS Aphis, 10 Feb 16 (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-33806/0008_0.jpg) at Port Said

7.35 Warrant No 1. read to Ship's Company

(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Aphis160210-warrant01.png)

That's the first example I've come across of the whole ship being put on detention - do I get bonus points!  :)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Kathy on 07 December 2011, 15:14:10
ship poacher!  I was captain of the Aphis!

 :P
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Kathy on 07 December 2011, 15:45:20
From the Aphis -

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-33806/0006_1.jpg

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 07 December 2011, 16:21:50
Thistle
Read Warrant No 5
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62920/ADM%2053-62920-006_0.jpg

Read Warrants 6 & 7
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62920/ADM%2053-62920-006_1.jpg

Placed bandsman in chains
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62920/ADM%2053-62920-007_0.jpg

Read Warrant No 8
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62920/ADM%2053-62920-008_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 07 December 2011, 16:28:17
HMS Canterbury, 18th January 1918, record of ship being swung for deviation, scanned in two parts:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36985/0013_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36985/0013_1.jpg

A third and fourth pages which I'm guessing are part of the same:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36985/0014_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36985/0014_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CousinJenny on 08 December 2011, 13:49:31
Astraea on Monday 13 July 1914 in Durban
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34352/ADM53-34352-056_0.jpg

8.00 Tried one gun and hoisted Court Martial Jack
9.15 Exercised physical drill.  Coxswains and bowmen of boats at signals. Discharged one A.B. to hospital
9.30 Court martial assembled on board
11.40 Court martial rose

The rest of the day was rather mundane - the usual obsessive cleaning of the ship, painting flats and the second cutter, dismantling the 6-pounder guns, prayers, exercising the searchlights etc.  Around mid-day they also had divers cleaning inlets for something beginning with "c".


Astraea on Wednesday 15 July 1914
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34352/ADM53-34352-057_0.jpg

At the bottom of the page an oval stamp 'H.M.S. "Astraea" 16 Jul. 1914'
the word 'approved' and the Captain's scrawl.  Maybe to do with the discharge of a prisoner and escorts to another ship at 5.45pm.  The person who was court martialled two days earlier, perhaps?
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 08 December 2011, 16:56:04
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68463/ADM%2053-68463-005_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68463/ADM%2053-68463-005_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68463/ADM%2053-68463-006_0.jpg

Two pages of Deviation readings, and one of positions of correctors, ("which our case we have not got") from HMS Weymouth, in Port of Spain, Trinidad, April 1917.

Enjoy!!
K
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 09 December 2011, 18:50:33
 8)  Cool page in the Raven II's log, circa June 13-September 1917: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57315/ADM%2053-57315-003_1.jpg

Explains how to care for the book, codes to be used, etc.

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 09 December 2011, 21:04:06
Raven II's log, 1917 (18 June): http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57315/ADM%2053-57315-009_1.jpg

Warrants No. 147 & 148 on Ldg. Sea. Matthews & E. J. Roberts A.B. read.

Later:

E. J. Roberts A.B. dist to R.N. Depot for detention 30 days at Cairo

(Usually the warrant entries do not include the names of the crew members to which the warrants pertained...)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: heffkit on 10 December 2011, 17:19:22
8)  Cool page in the Raven II's log, circa June 13-September 1917: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57315/ADM%2053-57315-003_1.jpg

Explains how to care for the book, codes to be used, etc.

That's brilliant, chommel - makes it all clear what their job was.
Presumably this rubric is in all the books, is this the first time that has appeared in the page images?
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 10 December 2011, 17:33:18
Usually we see the copies rather than the original. I have not seen this page, but I have seen similar pages.
(e.g., Lancaster http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46000/ADM%2053-46000-005_0.jpg)

I notice that the instructions for Raven specify using pencil...
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: heffkit on 10 December 2011, 19:12:01
Fascinating - I haven't seen anything like these two (but then I haven't been aboard nearly as many ships!)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 10 December 2011, 20:45:03
Quote
That's brilliant, chommel - makes it all clear what their job was.
Presumably this rubric is in all the books, is this the first time that has appeared in the page images?

Not at all, there is one posted in the stickied info posts in FAQ and Rules and Information boards.  They appear in the original logs which remained with the ship for an entire voyage and filled out by various on-duty lieutenants 24/7.  These books are thick, between 2 and 13 months of pages.

Every month, a writer or another lieutenant copies the entire month into one of the stack of short books the ship also had, and mailed it home to the Admiralty at the soonest possible time.  This is why we do have full logs of ships who sank with their original logs still on board.

The copied logs did not waste paper on instructions of how to fill the the logs out.  They also do not have a very interesting page where the officers may list a full description of the ship, from the type of engines to how many cannon and boats the ship possesses.  These pages are always meticulously filled out for the the first book of any voyage, and are very interesting.  And if we happen to have both original and copied logs for any month, the team loves it - it tells them what the RN's accuracy was in these things.

Most of our logs are copies.  This has the advantage of being a bit neater, using only one handwriting and presumably not being done when the ship is pitching and rolling a lot.  But the original logs are fun, and it's nice knowing they were in the ship for a while.  It's not so nice when someone is writing during a patch of bad weather, or finds out a long note is needed at 11:45 when they'd already filled something in at 11:30.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 10 December 2011, 21:08:44
8)  Cool page in the Raven II's log, circa June 13-September 1917: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57315/ADM%2053-57315-003_1.jpg

Explains how to care for the book, codes to be used, etc.

That's brilliant, chommel - makes it all clear what their job was.
Presumably this rubric is in all the books, is this the first time that has appeared in the page images?

I have never seen this page in any of the other logs that I've worked on, but perhaps others have?

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 10 December 2011, 21:37:06
I have, but only read the tables: half way down.
That pencil business is interesting.
I have seen pages written in pencil.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37556/C2-ADM53-37556-028_1.jpg
Some of the text has been smeared but it's still visible. I suspect that it was a "standard" graphite pencil, rather than the indelible pencil that was once so frequently used by people who required a signature for a delivery etc.
http://pencils.wikia.com/wiki/Indelible_Pencils
Nice variety of spelling.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: heffkit on 10 December 2011, 21:40:39
Thanks, JJ, for the explanation.  Crystal clear & informative (as ever)!!
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 12 December 2011, 19:02:13
Minerva - Compass Correction
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49486/ADM%2053-49486-014_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49486/ADM%2053-49486-015_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 13 December 2011, 19:48:08
Astraea
Read Warrants 292 & 293
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34371/ADM53-34371-085_0.jpg

Read Warrants 294, 295
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34371/ADM53-34371-085_1.jpg

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 15 December 2011, 11:03:38
At last something really interesting from Galatea. (I was beginning to think she didnt do interesting)

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42346/0067_1.jpg

It is a typed series of comments for the Remarks column between 06.35 and 11.00. It is placed between the 15th and 17th of November 1917, ( I havent received the 16th to transcribe) but the actual date of the engagement is not quite clear from the log alone.  In fact it appears to have been the Second Battle of Heligoland Bight on the 17th of November. The actual log for the 17th doesnt mention anything about the engagement at all!!
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42346/0068_1.jpg)



While Galatea appears to have come off unscathed Caledon was not so lucky and she lost 5 killed, including her captain.  The Calypso lost 10 and the Cardiff 7. RIP Those brave sailors.
(http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1917-11Nov.htm).

Wikipedia doesnt even mention that Galatea was present. Should we put them right Wendy??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Heligoland_Bight

The log describes a brief engagement with German Light Cruisers, destroyers and Battleships, including a couple of close torpedoes, one passing under Galatea

I have transcribed all entries, using Event Other.

There is also a separate list of courses and speeds for the same times, which I havent transcribed.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Kathy on 15 December 2011, 11:43:33
I'm trying to get the Wiki page for the Aphis updated with new info from the logs, so I'll see about this - I'm going to start a thread for folks to post Wiki updates, so they don't get lost in the shuffle.  I know someone found something a while back, but I can't find it now, so a thread for that sort of thing will be helpful, I think.

If you would please, once I get the tread going, post this info about the Galatea there.

Ta -

Kathy
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 15 December 2011, 15:49:01
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35183/0014_1.jpg

Ben-my-Chree 1915

"On Thursday 23rd Sept I found it necessary to caution Mr Witt, Warrant Officer 2nd Grade R.N.A.S on account of disciplinary slackness in performing his duties"
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Press-ganged by the Swiss Navy on 18 December 2011, 08:58:09
Compass deviation sheet for Topaze on leaving Portsmouth in May 1914 (not very exciting):

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-63279/0013_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 19 December 2011, 12:34:24
Most of a list of gunners stores lost overboard on the page after 16th Feb 1918 from HMS Galatea

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42346/0128_0.jpg

Some of the rest of it is here, but without cutting and pasting the two docs together I cant be sure whether we have it all.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42346/0128_1.jpg


And a list of carpenters stores.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42346/0129_0.jpg

And what appears to be part of a note of the engineers stores lost, again in two parts
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42346/0130_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42346/0130_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Danny252 on 19 December 2011, 12:40:38
Most of a list of gunners stores lost overboard on the page after 16th Feb 1918 from HMS Galatea

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42346/0128_0.jpg

Some of the rest of it is here, but without cutting and pasting the two docs together I cant be sure whether we have it all.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42346/0128_1.jpg

I think it's the lot - the title reads:
"List of gunner's ordnance stores lost overboard <pagebreak> at
sea 16/2/18"

The two halves of the 6 match up pretty well, too.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 20 December 2011, 12:21:25
From Ben-my-Chree

List of lost items (from Seaplane No 8087 23.5.16) but a bit hard to read as split across 2 scanned pages.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35190/0015_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35190/0015_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 21 December 2011, 12:18:27
From left hand side of Ben-my-Chree's log page list of items lost from Raven II on 1st July 1916 but no explanation why writen here

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35192/0003_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 23 December 2011, 13:29:15
From Grafton 5th December 1917:

Admonished Temp'y Lieut Joseph C Wardell RNR for being absent from his place as officer of the watch at 10.0pm Thursday 4th Dec'r 1917.  Signed J C Wardell Lieut RNR

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43387/023_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: tastiger on 23 December 2011, 13:48:48
From left hand side of Ben-my-Chree's log page list of items lost from Raven II on 1st July 1916 but no explanation why writen here

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35192/0003_1.jpg

Worse yet is Raven II's logs on here don't go back that far (the earliest I could find was about a week or 2 later). Hmmm...
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 23 December 2011, 18:29:37
From left hand side of Ben-my-Chree's log page list of items lost from Raven II on 1st July 1916 but no explanation why writen here

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35192/0003_1.jpg

Worse yet is Raven II's logs on here don't go back that far (the earliest I could find was about a week or 2 later). Hmmm...


It looks like stuff missing from an aircraft. There's no mention in HMS Raven II's log in the preceding week:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57310/ADM%2053-57310-083_0.jpg 24 June 1916
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57310/ADM%2053-57310-083_0.jpg         "
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57310/ADM%2053-57310-086_1.jpg 27 June 1916
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57310/ADM%2053-57310-086_1.jpg         "
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57310/ADM%2053-57310-087_0.jpg 28 June 1916
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57310/ADM%2053-57310-087_1.jpg         "
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57310/ADM%2053-57310-088_0.jpg 29 June 1916
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57310/ADM%2053-57310-088_1.jpg         "
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57310/ADM%2053-57310-089_0.jpg 30 June 1916
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57310/ADM%2053-57310-089_1.jpg         "
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57310/ADM%2053-57310-090_0.jpg  1 July  1916
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57310/ADM%2053-57310-090_1.jpg         "

As you say " H'mm ..."
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 24 December 2011, 07:41:16
HMS Bristol - 1913

First Pages of log book
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36118/0004_1.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36118/0005_1.jpg

Records of Observations for Deviation
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36118/0013_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36118/0013_1.jpg

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36118/0050_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36118/0050_1.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36118/0051_0.jpg

HMS Bristol - 1914
Records of Observations for Deviation
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36118/0157_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36118/0157_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 24 December 2011, 09:55:32
HMS Himalaya, 6th May 1916, swinging for deviation: (and very neatly written!)

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44356/ADM%2053-44356-021_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Geoff on 28 December 2011, 03:13:21
A partial list of stuff lost overboard from HMS Galatea, I think in August 1918:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42346/0242_1.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42346/0242_1.jpg)

And some more:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42346/0246_0.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42346/0246_0.jpg)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42346/0246_1.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42346/0246_1.jpg)

List of Gunner's ordnance stores lost:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42346/0248_0.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42346/0248_0.jpg)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42346/0248_1.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42346/0248_1.jpg)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 28 December 2011, 17:15:02
HMS Jessamine's log, 23 November 1915 (at the dock in Berehaven, Ireland): https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45361/ADM%2053-45361-027_1.jpg

Read Warrants No 4 & 5.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 29 December 2011, 04:53:09
HMS Ceres pages headed 'Description and position of correctors'. Done on 5th March 1918

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37492/009_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37492/009_1.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37492/010_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37492/010_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 29 December 2011, 10:42:38
Two lieutenants from HMS Ambrose censured:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-33515/0032_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: PeteB9 on 29 December 2011, 10:59:46
Fuel consumption figures from HMS Chatham at various standard speeds.


https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37563/002_0.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37563/002_0.jpg)

Not easily digitised but too interesting to be lost.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 30 December 2011, 11:54:23
An Engineering Sub Lieut reprimanded on HMS Himalaya:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44356/ADM%2053-44356-118_1.jpg

And a Temporary Sub Lieut, also on Himalaya:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44356/ADM%2053-44356-152_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 30 December 2011, 16:55:02
Jessamine, 19 December 1915: https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45361/ADM%2053-45361-042_1.jpg

5.20 Read No 5 Warrant Prisoner discharged to HMS "Colleen."
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: PeteB9 on 30 December 2011, 17:44:37
Cautioned Sub Lieutenant J Murray for carelessness in carrying out special duties alloted to him.

HMS Chatham 13th May 1915 Ruiji River Delta

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37563/008_1.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37563/008_1.jpg)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 31 December 2011, 19:03:34
Jessamine, 13 January 1916:  https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45361/ADM%2053-45361-057_1.jpg

8 pm: Read No 6 Warrant.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 03 January 2012, 05:05:16
HMS Ceres has a note checking the deviation of the compass on 1st Aug 1918

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37497/C3-ADM-53-37497-0012_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 04 January 2012, 13:35:19
Another Lieutenant in trouble on Himalaya:

Reprimanded Temp'y Sub Lieut C Kaminski for not immediately obeying an order given to him by Temp'y Eng'r Comd'r L D Shakle.  Signed Cyril Kaminski Eng Sub Lieut RN.

I wonder how much it was all these temporarily promoted men flexing their muscles ....?  Also some interesting names - Cyril Kaminski sounds Polish to me - what do you reckon szukacz?

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44356/ADM%2053-44356-171_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 04 January 2012, 15:34:01
HMS Ceres Compass deviation done on 20th Oct 1918

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37499/C3-ADM-53-37499-0014_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37499/C3-ADM-53-37499-0014_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 04 January 2012, 19:48:56
Jessamine's log, https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45361/ADM%2053-45361-080_1.jpg

Read Warrant No 14 & discharged prisoner to "Colleen."
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Caro on 07 January 2012, 15:01:00
HMS Hyacinth

November 4, 1915

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44642/ADM%2053-44642-193_1.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44642/ADM%2053-44642-194_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44642/ADM%2053-44642-194_1.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44642/ADM%2053-44642-195_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 08 January 2012, 13:16:25
And another officer in trouble on Himalaya:

Reprimanded Temp'y Eng. Sub Lieut John Burnett RNR for using improper & insubordinate language to his superior Officer Tempy Eng Lieut Commd'r James Peat RNR.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44356/ADM%2053-44356-205_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: PeteB9 on 08 January 2012, 13:28:25
A tempting target for a submarine

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37569/007_0.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37569/007_0.jpg)

Four Generals including the CinC at Gallipoli and the High Commissioner for the Egypt command and their staffs all taking passage from Alexandria to Mudros on HMS Chatham.

Ship must have been a bit crowded.

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 09 January 2012, 08:24:59
HMS Glory 3rd April 1918: Cautioned Sub. Lieut. Thompson RNR for being down below in his cabin, when officer of the watch, at 1-15 AM on April 3rd

I'm not sure what the officer of the watch was doing - that sentence doesn't quite make sense. Presumably checking everyone was at their post.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-094_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Kathy on 09 January 2012, 10:09:05
I think this means that Sub Lieut. Thompson was the officer of the watch and as such should have been on the bridge and not is his cabin.

Kathy
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 09 January 2012, 13:37:06
Not sure if I have the right thread but here are two frontis pages signed by various officers on or associate to HMS Bacchus

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34684/0002_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34684/0002_1.jpg  :-\
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 09 January 2012, 14:12:12
HMS Bacchus
pm Leading Seaman Robinson broke out of ship
10.0pm Leading Seaman Robinson broke into ship. Returned drunk.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34684/0004_0.jpg

W.Plowman RNRT Deck hand found drunk
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34684/0004_1.jpg

Ldg Sea Robinson & W.Plowman deckhand taken to Egmont for punishment. Robinson disrated to AB. W Plowman 10 days detention.
Eng Sub Lieut Combe RNR absent from the ship without leave from 7am 3rd July until 5am 4th July
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34684/0005_0.jpg

sounds like Friday night and the Old Anchor
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 09 January 2012, 14:58:51
HMS Bacchus
pm Leading Seaman Robinson broke out of ship
10.0pm Leading Seaman Robinson broke into ship. Returned drunk.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34684/0004_0.jpg

W.Plowman RNRT Deck hand found drunk
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34684/0004_1.jpg

Ldg Sea Robinson & W.Plowman deckhand taken to Egmont for punishment. Robinson disrated to AB. W Plowman 10 days detention.
Eng Sub Lieut Combe RNR absent from the ship without leave from 7am 3rd July until 5am 4th July
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34684/0005_0.jpg

sounds like Friday night and the Old Anchor

Wonderfully appropriate ship's name for all these goings on!   :D
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 09 January 2012, 15:04:18
HMS Bacchus          again
Fitzpatrick RNRT taken to Egmont for punishment. Detained
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34684/0008_1.jpg
bit of Mothers dicipline needed round here
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 10 January 2012, 03:23:45
I think this means that Sub Lieut. Thompson was the officer of the watch and as such should have been on the bridge and not is his cabin.

Kathy
Of course! Now it makes perfect sense. Thanks Kathy
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Steeleye on 10 January 2012, 06:09:57
Hi jil,
It looks like we should be able to cross check each other in our transcription of the HMS Glory logs.  Earlier today, I made the identical entry about Sub Lieutenant Thompson's little misdemeanor on the' Dockside cafe/Riveting log entries' page.  With the weather in Murmansk through the winter, who can blame him for staying in his cabin?!
Cheers, Steeleye
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 10 January 2012, 15:57:22
Hi jil,
It looks like we should be able to cross check each other in our transcription of the HMS Glory logs.  Earlier today, I made the identical entry about Sub Lieutenant Thompson's little misdemeanor on the' Dockside cafe/Riveting log entries' page.  With the weather in Murmansk through the winter, who can blame him for staying in his cabin?!
Cheers, Steeleye
Hi Steeleye,
It would certainly take more than a caution to get me out of bed in the middle of a cold night!
jil
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 10 January 2012, 17:46:39
HMS Blenheim
10.0 Comdr 2nd Off CFO Greet, PO Beadell and Canteen Manager & Sto PO Davis left to attend court of enquiry on board HMS Blenheim

2.0  2nd Off & Paymaster left to attend court of enquiry on Agamemnon.  Sto PO May again found drunk and incapable.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34684/0016_0.jpg

Comdr Chf Off, Chf Eng & 3rd Off left for Blenheim with defaulters Sto PO May & Swan
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34684/0016_1.jpg

11.40 CO Chf Off CPO Daly left for Blenheim with defaulters
5.0 Robinson AB (prisoner) brought before ships company and warrant no 2 read by CO
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34684/0017_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 10 January 2012, 18:06:48
HMS Bacchus
6.0 Warrant no 3 (re Sto PO May read by CO in presence of Officers CPO's & PO's
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34684/0018_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 10 January 2012, 20:22:59
Jessamine's log, 22 June 1916:  https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45361/ADM%2053-45361-151_0.jpg

11 am: 3 Stoker ratings left under arrest for HMS "Colleen."
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 10 January 2012, 23:31:44
Bacchus
CPO Daly presented with DCM
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34684/0019_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 11 January 2012, 00:13:57
HMS Bacchus
2.0 Warrant No 5 (AB Woolmore) read in presence of ship's Coy. 2.25 Prisoner & escort left
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34684/0022_0.jpg

If it wasn't for CPO Daly & his DCM I'd think this was turning into a prison ship or a drunks paradise, must be the weather, in moments of doubt always blame the weather
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Caro on 11 January 2012, 03:46:04
HMS Hyacinth

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44642/ADM%2053-44642-251_0.jpg

Have this day cautioned William F Earle, Warrant Telegraphist for deliberate disobedience of orders regarding the use of Wireless instruments.
WH Davis Commander RNR William F Earl Warrant Telegraphist 8th February 1916
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Caro on 14 January 2012, 05:20:28
HMS Hyacinth

List of men killed in action aboard HMS Echo:

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Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 16 January 2012, 13:28:44
HMS Himalaya, 4th September 1917:

Engineer. Sub Lieutenant Kaminski R~ was reprimanded for not obeying an order given him by the engineer officer of the watch.  Signed, C Kaminski, Temp Eng sub Lt RNR.

This is his second remprimand - he also erred on 23rd January, also by disobeying an order.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44357/ADM%2053-44357-064_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Caro on 18 January 2012, 02:37:49
HMS Hyacinth

Deviation of the standard compass

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Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 19 January 2012, 13:37:57
HMS Implacable 27th May 1915

Repremanded Mr. C.E. Brass Warrant Engr RNR for drinking to such excess, as to render himself unfit for duty

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44760/ADM%2053-44760-170_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: GiulioTP on 19 January 2012, 14:30:05
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34694/0020_1.jpg

In accordance with orders received this day from C. in C. Mediterranean fleet Charles James Cooper RNR (temp.) Chief officer is hereby logged, for that(?) he did on the 8th February 1918, being then under the influence of drink, use insulting language to Lieut. John Ross-Gorrie RNR (temp) his commanding officer
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 19 January 2012, 17:16:32
Yep. It is that with a bit of an elongated tail.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: GiulioTP on 19 January 2012, 18:49:04
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34694/0024_1.jpg

Antonio De Giorgio, officers cook II placed under close arrest for attempting to stab AB L. Peach
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: ElisabethB on 19 January 2012, 19:37:49
 :o :o
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: GiulioTP on 19 January 2012, 19:51:26
I should probably have gone through a few more log pages before posting, but its been and eventful week on HMS Bacchus

12th April 1918
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Antonio De Giorgio, officers cook II placed under close arrest for attempting to stab AB L. Peach

and also

14th April 1918
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8:00 Signalled to HMS Latona for medical officer to be sent to examine Mr. Morris, 3rd officer who appeared to be insane

15th April 1918
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11:40 Antonio De Giorgio, Officers cook II, sent to HMS Latona for investigation of assult on L. Peach AB
5:45 Kit belonging to Mr H. Morris sent to HMS Latona for transmission to this officer, after and inventory of contents had been taken + handed to C.O.

16th April 1918
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4:00 Cleared lower decks, warrant No 9 read. Antonio de Giorgio, officer's cook II disrated to Officer's cook III + sentenced to 14 days cells

18th April 1918
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4:30 Lieut C.J. Cooper RNR ~ chief officer left ship in order to proceed to England with orders to report on arrival at Tansport Department of Admiralty (Admiralty ~). He was ordered by SNO to take passage to Italy in Oiler "Hollyleaf"
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 19 January 2012, 20:01:49
I should probably have gone through a few more log pages before posting, but its been and eventful week on HMS Bacchus

18th April 1918
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34694/0027_1.jpg
4:30 Lieut C.J. Cooper RNR ~ chief officer left ship in order to proceed to England with orders to report on arrival at Tansport Department of Admiralty (Admiralty ~). He was ordered by SNO to take passage to Italy in Oiler "Hollyleaf"


I believe it's "late chief officer" (perhaps indicating that his replacement is on board), and
"(Admiralty Order)" - instructions from the top rather than a local decision, perhaps his next posting.
I am more confident of the spellings than of the speculative explanations.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 19 January 2012, 20:03:47
:o :o
Did you read on? It seems that a stoker buddy may have tried to break up the fight.

Seldom a dull moment.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: GiulioTP on 19 January 2012, 20:38:56
seldom a dull moment indeed

30th April 1918
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7:00
Asst. Paymaster E. Lane RNR took bassage in TBD 03 to Italy to attend a court martial as prisoner's friend, by order of SNO
SPO Croad + Ldg Seaman Bradbury discharged + sent to England, having been relieved by order of Admiralty
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 20 January 2012, 04:50:27
HMS Empress 26th April 1917

Logged. Assistant Paymaster Ernest Talbot Chamberlain RNR for carelessly performing his duty thereby causing the loss of 200 pints of rum Government property. In accordance with Commander in Chiefs memo No 62 of April 20th 1917.
Signed by E.D. Drury Lieut Comdr RNR

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40784/0280_0.jpg

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: ElisabethB on 20 January 2012, 05:36:45
HMS Empress 26th April 1917

Logged. Assistant Paymaster Ernest Talbot Chamberlain RNR for carelessly performing his duty thereby causing the loss of 200 pints of rum Government property. In accordance with Commander in Chiefs memo No 62 of April 20th 1917.
Signed by E.D. Drury Lieut Comdr RNR

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40784/0280_0.jpg

I think we have a winner in the 'Most popular guy on board' contest !   ;) ;D
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 20 January 2012, 05:59:55
HMS Empress 26th April 1917

Logged. Assistant Paymaster Ernest Talbot Chamberlain RNR for carelessly performing his duty thereby causing the loss of 200 pints of rum Government property. In accordance with Commander in Chiefs memo No 62 of April 20th 1917.
Signed by E.D. Drury Lieut Comdr RNR

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I think we have a winner in the 'Most popular guy on board' contest !   ;) ;D


Hanging, drawing and quartering is too good for him!!!
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Kathy on 20 January 2012, 06:07:11
I would not have wanted to be him for, oh, say, a month or two!  :o ;D
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: GiulioTP on 20 January 2012, 09:26:54
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Lower deck cleared and warrant No 11 read J. Holmes Stoker RNR awarded 10 days cells
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 20 January 2012, 16:00:57
Euryalus
Court of Inquiry held on board
Discharged one 2nd class steward ashore & one Stoker to hospital. Two seamen & one marine returned from hospital Bombay
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-41220/ADM%2053-41220-139_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 20 January 2012, 16:28:27
Euryalus
Read warrants no 104, 105, 106
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Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: GiulioTP on 20 January 2012, 16:32:10
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10:25 Warrant No15 read J. Holmes stoker RNR (again) awarded 28 days detention and forfeit 9 days pay
10:40 J Holmes stoker RNR sent to Chalkis for passage to Malta

also further down
Various trawlers alongside throughout the day for hydrophone repairs
and its been a similar story for the last month or 2, just something I find interesting
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 20 January 2012, 20:30:40
Jessamine's log, 30 October 1916: https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45361/ADM%2053-45361-226_0.jpg

6.0 Warrant No 33 read out to ratings.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: IanMcIntosh on 24 January 2012, 13:37:52
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44344/ADM%2053-44344-247_1.jpg

HMS Hildebrand 23 April 1916

Assistant Paymaster H. M. Tomeroy RNR severely repremanded by captain for neglect of duty in that his cash accounts and offcier's ledger for quarter ending March 31st 1916 were not completed punctually. He has been cautioned as to his future conduct.

Seems to be signed by Mr. Tomeroy
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: studentforever on 24 January 2012, 16:22:20
Yes, quite often if not always when an officer was cautioned in the log he had to sign it, presumably as a permanent record that he had read it!
One ship I worked on months ago wrote them in red ink as well, just to make sure they were noticed.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 25 January 2012, 12:23:17
Two oversleeping Sub Lieutenants on HMS Himalaya, 4th November 1917:

Eng Sub Lieut M Finn RNR was absent from his action station at 5.15am after the horn had been sounded and ~ had been in addition called by Eng Lieut Commd'r J Piat RNR.
Followed by exactly the same entry for Eng Sub Lieut M F McKay RNR.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44357/ADM%2053-44357-099_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 25 January 2012, 13:28:41
Two oversleeping Sub Lieutenants on HMS Himalaya, 4th November 1917:

Eng Sub Lieut M Finn RNR was absent from his action station at 5.15am after the horn had been sounded and ~ had been in addition called by Eng Lieut Commd'r J Piat RNR.
Followed by exactly the same entry for Eng Sub Lieut M F McKay RNR.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44357/ADM%2053-44357-099_0.jpg

The missing word is "he".
I was intrigued by the sounding of the horn. Thinking of Joshua and some of his countrymen, I took a look and would suggest that you may wish to consider "Alarm" instead.  ;D
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 25 January 2012, 13:50:32
Two oversleeping Sub Lieutenants on HMS Himalaya, 4th November 1917:

Eng Sub Lieut M Finn RNR was absent from his action station at 5.15am after the horn had been sounded and ~ had been in addition called by Eng Lieut Commd'r J Piat RNR.
Followed by exactly the same entry for Eng Sub Lieut M F McKay RNR.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44357/ADM%2053-44357-099_0.jpg

The missing word is "he".
I was intrigued by the sounding of the horn. Thinking of Joshua and some of his countrymen, I took a look and would suggest that you may wish to consider "Alarm" instead.  ;D

Many thanks for these - I didn't think they were worth putting in the handwriting help - but the handwriting help has swung into action anyway!
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: IanMcIntosh on 27 January 2012, 15:02:54
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HMS Eurialis - 26 January 1917

Departed this world at St. George's Hospital Bombay Edward Rankin Sto.(?) 1st Class O.N. SS 101463
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: IanMcIntosh on 27 January 2012, 15:21:57
Followup https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-41221/ADM%2053-41221-035_1.jpg

HMS Euryalus - 29 January, 1917

Court of Inquiry held on board concerning death of Edward Rankin Sto 6th class (sic) O.N. SS 101463
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 27 January 2012, 16:29:43
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HMS Euryalus - 26 January 1917

Departed this world at St. George's Hospital Bombay Edward Rankin Sto.(?) 1st Class O.N. SS 101463

Naval Casualty Lists has this. I think DOW stands for Died of Wounds. (I have added it to the list of abbreviations.)
RANKIN, Edward, Stoker 1c (RFR B 6908), SS 101463 (Ch), Euryalus, 26 January 1917, DOW in India

and the CWGC lists his memorial as

RANKIN , EDWARD    Stoker 1st Class   101463(CH)   26/01/1917    Royal Navy   Face A.   KIRKEE 1914-1918 MEMORIAL.

The CWCG describes the Kirkee memorial and cemetery here. http://www.cwgc.org/search/cemetery_details.aspx?cemetery=146500&mode=1

It is in Poona near Bombay. (Mumbai)

RIP Edward Rankin.

PS I have copied this to the Buried at Sea etc thread.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: IanMcIntosh on 27 January 2012, 17:21:17
PS I have copied this to the Buried at Sea etc thread.
Thank you for copying it over. I just now realized this was the incorrect thread.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: IanMcIntosh on 27 January 2012, 18:12:15
Yes, quite often if not always when an officer was cautioned in the log he had to sign it, presumably as a permanent record that he had read it!
One ship I worked on months ago wrote them in red ink as well, just to make sure they were noticed.
Yes. Talk about, "I hope you know this will go down on your *permanent* record." Here we are, talking about a really minor infraction 96 years after the fact.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 29 January 2012, 16:39:11
HMS Blenheim

2 Dec 1915
Read Warrant No 74 - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35574/0164_0.jpg

21 Mar 1916
Read Warrant No 85 - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35574/0232_1.jpg

27 Mar 1916
Read Warrant (Destroyers Number) - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35574/0235_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: IanMcIntosh on 04 February 2012, 02:22:50
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-41221/ADM%2053-41221-187_1.jpg

HMS Euryalus, 19 October 1917, Bombay

"9.30[am] Held Court Martial onboard" That is all.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 07 February 2012, 12:53:05
HMS Himalaya, 22nd March 1918, in Rio de Janeiro:

Temporary Engineer Lieutenant William John Russel Ross Royal Naval Reserve did behave with contempt towards Temporary Engineer Commander Lewis D~ S~ea~.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44357/ADM%2053-44357-177_0.jpg

And can anyone decipher the name of the second person in the record?  It's in different writing to most of the log, which is frustrating ...
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CousinJenny on 07 February 2012, 13:41:39
Looks a bit like Lewis Diggins (or Digger?) Skabo.  I'd have guessed (not that enthusiastically, though) at Diggory for the middle name, but the downstroke below the name looks more like it's part of Lt Ross's signature).
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Caro on 07 February 2012, 22:43:27
HMS Hyacinth February 5, 1918

Record of observations for deviation

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https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44644/ADM%2053-44644-115_0.jpg

and a nicely preserved bug

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44644/ADM%2053-44644-129_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 08 February 2012, 02:50:29
 ;D
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 08 February 2012, 04:42:29
HMS Hibernia - at start of August 1915 log book

Vouchure
For paper given out from the record office, Secretary's Department, Admiralty, Whitehall
Title - Hibernia
Subject - August
When given out - 15.10.1915
To whom - NL for return to ship Telegraphic request

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Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 08 February 2012, 06:50:58
HMS Hyacinth February 5, 1918

and a nicely preserved bug

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44644/ADM%2053-44644-129_0.jpg

Makes a change from a ship's cat. 
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Thursday Next on 08 February 2012, 15:01:25
HMS Hyacinth February 5, 1918

and a nicely preserved bug

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44644/ADM%2053-44644-129_0.jpg

I thought bug reports were supposed to go in the Tech Support thread?
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 08 February 2012, 15:05:07
HMS Hyacinth February 5, 1918

and a nicely preserved bug

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44644/ADM%2053-44644-129_0.jpg

I thought bug reports were supposed to go in the Tech Support thread?
BOOM! BOOM! ;D
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 08 February 2012, 15:18:18
HMS Hyacinth February 5, 1918

and a nicely preserved bug

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44644/ADM%2053-44644-129_0.jpg

I thought bug reports were supposed to go in the Tech Support thread?
;D 8) ;D
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 08 February 2012, 17:54:35
 ;D
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 09 February 2012, 05:57:07
HMS Hibernia - 8th August 1915

Deprived Mr. Thomas S. Grieve Midn. RNR of three months seniority for returning on board drunk on 23rd July 1915, after dining on board HMS Diamond.

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Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 09 February 2012, 06:57:21
HMS Hibernia - 14th August 1915 at Rosyth

Cautioned SubLieut Humphrey F. Vernon for being in Edinborogh (sassenach log keeper?) on Aug 13th without leave, contrary to the standing orders of the VAC 3rd BS

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44275/0100_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 09 February 2012, 07:26:09
HMS Hibernia - 14th August 1915 at Rosyth

Cautioned SubLieut Humphrey F. Vernon for being in Edinborogh (sassenach log keeper?) on Aug 13th without leave, contrary to the standing orders of the VAC 3rd BS

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44275/0100_0.jpg

But who can blame him?  Much more fun than Rosyth!
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 09 February 2012, 07:34:33
HMS Hibernia - 14th August 1915 at Rosyth

Cautioned SubLieut Humphrey F. Vernon for being in Edinborogh (sassenach log keeper?) on Aug 13th without leave, contrary to the standing orders of the VAC 3rd BS

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44275/0100_0.jpg

But who can blame him?  Much more fun than Rosyth!
And we've been in Rosyth for ages - I think they're getting bored!
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 10 February 2012, 08:20:00
I was in Edinburgh yesterday and saw Rosyth from the Road Bridge. Both were cold and dull so not much to chose between them!

Unlike Lt Vernon I did have leave.

K
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 10 February 2012, 15:25:48
HMS Himalaya, 5th May 1918:

Eng. Sub-Lieut Mead RNR did make use of insubordinate language towards Lieut ?Hedges RNR Executive Officer.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44357/ADM%2053-44357-203_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 10 February 2012, 17:11:18
HMS Himalaya, 5th May 1918:

Eng. Sub-Lieut Mead RNR did make use of insubordinate language towards Lieut ?Hedges RNR Executive Officer.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44357/ADM%2053-44357-203_1.jpg


I believe it's Ledger (although I couldn't find him elsewhere) see "L" in Lieut to the left and above.
Sounds a bit like duffle (duffel) bags at dawn.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 11 February 2012, 10:27:13
HMS Himalaya, 5th May 1918:

Eng. Sub-Lieut Mead RNR did make use of insubordinate language towards Lieut ?Hedges RNR Executive Officer.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44357/ADM%2053-44357-203_1.jpg


I believe it's Ledger (although I couldn't find him elsewhere) see "L" in Lieut to the left and above.
Sounds a bit like duffle (duffel) bags at dawn.

I was swithering between an 'h' and an 'l' - so with your support for the latter I'll go with that.  I like the image of duffle bags at dawn ...
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 11 February 2012, 10:56:29

I was swithering

As Ken Dodd would say "They can't touch you for it."

New to me. It that an indication of your unfortunate ancestry?  ;D
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 11 February 2012, 12:19:11

I was swithering

As Ken Dodd would say "They can't touch you for it."

New to me. It that an indication of your unfortunate ancestry?  ;D

It's a word I've always known - I suspect your ignorance of it indicates some lack in your education ....   :o  (hard though that is to believe)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 11 February 2012, 12:21:31
A particularly spectacular disciplinary record on Himalaya:

Mr James Bowie Temporary Warrant Engineer RNR (Boiler Maker) did on the 5th day of April 1918 remain absent without leave 48 hours (the ship being under sailing orders) thereby missing the ship.

He managed to be left behind in Rio de Janeiro, which must have seemed a more attractive option than heading home to Devonport.  He finally caught up with his own ship on May 23rd.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44357/ADM%2053-44357-215_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: IanMcIntosh on 11 February 2012, 13:21:15
HMS Hibernia, 8 August 1915, Rosyth. https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44275/0097_0.jpg

"Deprived Mr. Thomas S. Grieve Midm. R.N.R. of three months seniority for returning on board drunk on 23rd July 1915, after dining on board H.M.S. Diamond." Signed by Mr Grieve.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 11 February 2012, 13:33:03

It's a word I've always known - I suspect your ignorance of it indicates some lack in your education ....   :o  (hard though that is to believe)
;D
I'll have you know that I can haver with the best; with or without a spurtle.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 11 February 2012, 14:30:49

It's a word I've always known - I suspect your ignorance of it indicates some lack in your education ....   :o  (hard though that is to believe)
;D
I'll have you know that I can haver with the best; with or without a spurtle.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/swithering
 :-*
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 11 February 2012, 16:56:11
HMS St George

Beginning of Feb 1915 Log:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-61154/004_1.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-61154/005_1.jpg

Beginning of April 1915 Log:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-61156/0001_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 11 February 2012, 18:04:18

It's a word I've always known - I suspect your ignorance of it indicates some lack in your education ....   :o  (hard though that is to believe)
;D
I'll have you know that I can haver with the best; with or without a spurtle.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/swithering
 :-*

Ah-ha.
The Auld Alliance (Vieille Alliance, if you prefer) strikes back.

Oldest trick in the book. One person makes up a word. Another one builds a website to substantiate it and give it provenance.
Wikipedia beat you to it.
 ;)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: IanMcIntosh on 11 February 2012, 19:35:16
HMS Hibernia, 8 August 1915, Rosyth. https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44275/0097_0.jpg

"Deprived Mr. Thomas S. Grieve Midm. R.N.R. of three months seniority for returning on board drunk on 23rd July 1915, after dining on board H.M.S. Diamond." Signed by Mr Grieve.
August just wasn't his month... 24 Aug, 1915, Rosyth "Discharged Mr. Grieve, Mid. RNR to Hosp." https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44275/0106_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 12 February 2012, 06:54:49
HMS Hibernia - 7th Oct 1915 Rosyth

Cautioned Lieut A.W.S. Agar, RN for being in Edinburgh without leave on the afternoon of 2nd Oct 1915

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44275/0131_1.jpg

They are being tempted to the bright lights again. At least the log keeper has learned how to spell Edinburgh  :D
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Thursday Next on 12 February 2012, 12:14:59
HMS Hibernia - 7th Oct 1915 Rosyth

Cautioned Lieut A.W.S. Agar, RN for being in Edinburgh without leave on the afternoon of 2nd Oct 1915

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44275/0131_1.jpg

They are being tempted to the bright lights again. At least the log keeper has learned how to spell Edinburgh  :D

Hey, I think that must be Gus Agar!  Subsequently awarded a VC for his part in the Baltic Campaign.  He was in charge of the Coastal Motor Boats which carried out an attack on Kronstadt in 1919.  (See "Operation Kronstadt" by Harry Ferguson.)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jdulak on 13 February 2012, 08:39:43
HMS Highflyer, July 10 1917, Sydney, Cape Breton Island, Nove Scotia, Canada

This appears to be a diagram of a convoy formation listing all the ship's positions and their Fore and Aft drafts:

http://www.oldweather.org/classify?vessel_id=4caf86facadfd34197018a48

John Dulak
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 13 February 2012, 09:00:15
HMS Hibernia - 7th Oct 1915 Rosyth

Cautioned Lieut A.W.S. Agar, RN for being in Edinburgh without leave on the afternoon of 2nd Oct 1915

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44275/0131_1.jpg

They are being tempted to the bright lights again. At least the log keeper has learned how to spell Edinburgh  :D

Hey, I think that must be Gus Agar!  Subsequently awarded a VC for his part in the Baltic Campaign.  He was in charge of the Coastal Motor Boats which carried out an attack on Kronstadt in 1919.  (See "Operation Kronstadt" by Harry Ferguson.)
Interesting - I think the VC just about wipes the caution off his record  ;D
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 14 February 2012, 03:00:08
St George - July 1915 - Immingham
Death of William Meynell
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-61159/0014_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-61159/0014_1.jpg
Burials at sea and other recorded deaths...: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=671.msg36114#msg36114



St George - July 1916 - Salonika
Death of William Henry Westgate
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-61171/0011_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-61171/0011_1.jpg
Burials at sea and other recorded deaths...: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=671.msg36441#msg36441



St George - Oct 1916 - Salonika
Death of John Buxton Hope
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-61174/0003_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-61174/0003_1.jpg
Burials at sea and other recorded deaths...: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=671.msg36587#msg36587



St George - Oct 1916 - Salonika
Death of Ivor Williams
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-61174/0009_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-61174/0009_1.jpg
Burials at sea and other recorded deaths...: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=671.msg36607#msg36607



St George - Sept 1918 - Salonika
Death of Frederick Henry Twiner
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-61197/0013_0.jpg
Burials at sea and other recorded deaths...: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=671.msg36772#msg36772
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 15 February 2012, 12:59:48
A warrant from HMS Benbow is read onboard HMS Theseus. What a pity we have to wait until 2020 to know what was its purpose.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-62845/0180_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 15 February 2012, 13:13:52
Specifications for H.M.S. Theseus:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-62846/0002_1.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-62846/0003_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 15 February 2012, 20:06:30
I like it when we get an original logbook with all the details filled in - it gives a much better idea of the 'look' of our ships.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 17 February 2012, 03:50:40
HMS Hibernia - 18th May 1916

Admonished Lieut F.H. Pegram RN for failing to deliver a letter sent by the Vice Admiral, addressed to the Rear Admiral & turned over to Lieut Pegram as officer of the watch

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44275/0260_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 17 February 2012, 07:50:01
HMS Hibernia - 18th May 1916

Admonished Lieut F.H. Pegram RN for failing to deliver a letter sent by the Vice Admiral, addressed to the Rear Admiral & turned over to Lieut Pegram as officer of the watch

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44275/0260_0.jpg

 ::)
That's one case where the old "Don't you know there's a war on?" excuse would not be accepted.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 17 February 2012, 12:14:34
HMS Hibernia - 18th May 1916

Admonished Lieut F.H. Pegram RN for failing to deliver a letter sent by the Vice Admiral, addressed to the Rear Admiral & turned over to Lieut Pegram as officer of the watch

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44275/0260_0.jpg

 ::)
That's one case where the old "Don't you know there's a war on?" excuse would not be accepted.
I don't suppose "I'm the officer of the watch not a postman" would have gone down well either
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 17 February 2012, 17:59:09
Hannibal
Court Martial assembled.  4 Firemen arrived under arrest from HMT Transylvania.  Court Martial dissolved
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43712/231_0.jpg

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: sean0118 on 18 February 2012, 01:07:23
HMS Highflyer, 7/10/1916

Paid Prije(?) Honey(?) for seaking(sinking?) of "Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse"


Highflyer sunk Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse in 1914, why is someone/ship being paid now?  ???

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44307/ADM%2053-44307-081_1.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Highflyer_(1898)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Kaiser_Wilhelm_der_Grosse
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: sean0118 on 18 February 2012, 01:55:10
HMS Highflyer, 9/10/1916

Had occasion to caution Mr. Seary(?) Seennes(?) for returning from leave "Drunk".


https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44307/ADM%2053-44307-082_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: studentforever on 18 February 2012, 04:02:43
Maybe Mr Geary, Gunner.  Warrant Officers are normally given the title Mr.  Anyone know how this is handled in the current unisex Navy?
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Thursday Next on 18 February 2012, 08:31:35
HMS Highflyer, 7/10/1916

Paid Prije(?) Honey(?) for seaking(sinking?) of "Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse"


Highflyer sunk Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse in 1914, why is someone/ship being paid now?  ???

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44307/ADM%2053-44307-081_1.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Highflyer_(1898)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Kaiser_Wilhelm_der_Grosse

It's "Paid Prize Money for sinking of Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse".  It could take quite a while for prize money to come through as everything had to be corroborated.  They would have to confirm that the ship was a legitimate prize which with a merchant vessel would sometimes be contested by the owners in the prize court, and there would sometimes be room for doubt, particularly with U-boats, over whether the vessel had genuinely been sunk.  Here there was a dispute over whether the ship had been sunk by Highflyer or scuttled by her crew.  Obviously in the end the Admiralty decided to credit it to Highflyer!
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: sean0118 on 18 February 2012, 21:27:03
Thanks to both of you, I have gone back and updated the pages.  ;)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 21 February 2012, 13:04:07
HMS Hannibal, 11th June 1917, at Alexandria:

Cautioned: Paymaster Burgess for failing to comply with my orders with reference to limitation of his wine bill for the month of May.
Signed: Philip Streatfield, Captain.  ~ Burgess.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43713/0130_1.jpg

Life on Hannibal can't be called exciting, so I'm not entirely surprised that Paymaster Burgess succumbed ....
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 22 February 2012, 10:41:56
HMS St George - 28 Sept 1916 - Salonika

Enquiry held onboard into the circumstances of the loss of a Torpedo by T.B.18 on Sep. 15'th 16

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-61173/0022_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 24 February 2012, 15:43:48
HMS St George - 17 Oct 1917 - Salonika

Cautioned Sub Lieutenant George. T. Toulson RNVR to be more careful in future with reference to a fire which occurred onboard H.M.Tug Flying Fish on Oct 1'st 1917   
(signed) G.T.Toulson  Sub. Lieut. R.N.V.R.   S.R. Olivier  Captain

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-61186/0010_1.jpg

Sub Lieutenant Toulson's signature is more readable than the log keeper's / copier's handwriting ::)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 24 February 2012, 16:05:48
Hannibal  14.3.1918
Read Warrant No 555, 2 ratings discharged to detention
Court Martial assembled on board.  Read Warrant 556.  Court Martial ended
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43714/0048_0.jpg

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 25 February 2012, 14:45:36
Hannibal 6.6.1918
Warrant 590 was read on Quarter Deck
HMS Aphis entered harbour with balloon
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43714/0097_0.jpg

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 26 February 2012, 11:21:08
HMS Bacchus - 17th May 1919. After having spent several days making very slow (or no) progress through the ice.

Found ship to have sustained several large dents in plating, above and below water line, on each bow, amidships & on each quarter & several frames bent, as far as can be ascertained whilst ship is afloat, also rudder damaged & propeller blades damaged. This damage being caused by ice during passage from Murmansk to Archangel. Ship making 12 inches water in No I hold. Ship making 6 inches water in Fore peak. John Ross Gorrie

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34701/011_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 26 February 2012, 16:07:19
Hannibal  17.8.18
Read Warrant 601.  1 Rating discharged to Cairo detention
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43714/0137_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 27 February 2012, 11:07:48
HMS Topaze - area covered by Perim patrol area

Patrol areas (which need not be strictly adhered to) Southern area bounded on West by Balfe Pt brg N20W bounded on East by Perim High Lt brg N45W bounded on South by Biggest Brother Peak S80W bounded on North by Biggest Brother Peak S45W. Northern area bounded by Perim Light House brg between N78 & S73E Ras Siyan brg between S3E & S19E

and explanation why not filling in bits of the log:

When on Perim Patrol owing to the frequent changes of course & speed necessary for closing & if necessary boarding ships no regular distance run or courses can be given. For the same reason the current for 24 hrs cannot be accurately estimated. The mean result of observations when ship was stopped for any time is given in knots.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-63319/0002_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 27 February 2012, 12:11:34
That gives a really vivid picture of what they were up to - fascinating!
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 27 February 2012, 14:29:20
Hannibal 7.11.1918
22 Rating (British P.of War) joined ship from Gabbari Camp
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43714/0185_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 27 February 2012, 15:19:53
HMS Hannibal, 4th December 1918, Alexandria:

Cautioned Paymaster Lieut Comm'dr W E Fiddes RNR for failing to appreciate his responsibilities in carrying out his duties as Victualling Paymaster on board HMS Hannibal.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43714/0201_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 28 February 2012, 07:45:51
HMS St George - 21 Sept 1918 - Salonika

Cautioned Eng'r Lieut G.K. Munro R.N.R. of H.M.F.M. Wave. for being drunk onboard on the 3'rd day of September 1918.  (signed) Geo K. Munro Temp. Eng'r Lieut R.N.R.  S.R. Olivier  Captain

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-61197/0013_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 28 February 2012, 09:06:12
HMS St George - 11 Oct 1918 - Salonika

Cautioned Sub. Lieut. E. Bullen RNR for being drunk and making a nuisance of himself in the Officers Rest House at Salonika, on the 9'th Oct. 1918  (signed) EW Bullen  Sub Lieut RNR  S.R. Olivier  Captain

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-61198/0007_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Craig on 28 February 2012, 11:09:37
Can't blame the guy! Nothing to do all day but paint the ship, do the rounds and watch other vessels come and go. Probably all the eligible young ladies have been locked in their houses to protect them from the nasty sailors. That might explain all those warrants and court marshalls  ;D

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 28 February 2012, 15:28:59
Opening page of the log for HMS Renown 1921/22, with details of the ship:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82386/0003_1.jpg

And another page with more info:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82386/0004_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: LupusUK on 28 February 2012, 15:55:46
Not sure this is the right place for this but here goes

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43717/0019_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43717/0019_1.jpg

April and May 1919 are skipped and the logs jump straight to 1st June 1919
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 28 February 2012, 16:12:15
HMS Sandpiper, 1913/14, information at the beginning of the log:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-59114/0003_1.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-59114/0004_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 28 February 2012, 18:13:10
Opening page of the log for HMS Renown 1921/22, with details of the ship:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82386/0003_1.jpg

And another page with more info:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82386/0004_1.jpg

That's terrific ... and not just the script.
HMS Renown, 800ft long, 32,000 tons, 31 knots.
Here she is, posing prettily:
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h57000/h57076.jpg
and her sister ship, HMS Repulse, showing how she would look when in business:
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h57000/h57181.jpg

Anyway ... you know how there has been talk of anchors - particularly sheet anchors? Her sheet anchor, mentioned in the specification, weighed 7.5 tons.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 28 February 2012, 20:14:17
Re: HMS Southampton
I came across this on the NEW release of log pages

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-85369/0003_1.jpg

It gives a lot of detail about the ship which may be of interest to some of you.

This one lists the weather instruments, guns and boats

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-85369/0004_1.jpg
 :) :)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 29 February 2012, 05:22:16
Opening page of the log for HMS Renown 1921/22, with details of the ship:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82386/0003_1.jpg

And another page with more info:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82386/0004_1.jpg

That's terrific ... and not just the script.
HMS Renown, 800ft long, 32,000 tons, 31 knots.
Here she is, posing prettily:
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h57000/h57076.jpg
and her sister ship, HMS Repulse, showing how she would look when in business:
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h57000/h57181.jpg

Anyway ... you know how there has been talk of anchors - particularly sheet anchors? Her sheet anchor, mentioned in the specification, weighed 7.5 tons.

Sadly the scans are very faint, so although it sounds a really interesting voyage I've given up and gone elsewhere.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 29 February 2012, 12:44:06
HMS Hannibal, 17th July 1919:

Temp Lt R J Evans cautioned for neglect of duty in not taking proper steps to keep a necessary official appointment to meet the other officers at Alexandria (his superior officer).

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43718/0026_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Carrie32 on 02 March 2012, 14:29:09
From HMS Weymouth, after hours drinking.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-68490/0012_1.jpg

Admonished Mr Charles G Osborne  Mate for ordering the Wardroom to be opened without permission after it had been closed for the night and for obtaining alcoholic liquor without authorization.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Thursday Next on 02 March 2012, 15:00:59
A few bits of "misc" in the Renown's logs:
Details of steam trials: https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82386/0009_0.jpg
Description and position of correctors: https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82386/0009_1.jpg
Record of observations for deviation: https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82386/0010_0.jpg
More steam trials: https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82386/0011_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Carrie32 on 04 March 2012, 04:25:37
HMS Weymouth
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-68494/0001_1.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-68494/0002_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 06 March 2012, 07:36:24
Small piece of recording paper from the logs of HMS Renown.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82386/0038_1.jpg

And more, this time with a line. They appear to be continuous pressure readings.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82386/0039_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82386/0039_1.jpg

Why would the atmospheric pressure oscillate in that almost regular way, or is that an artifact of the recording technology in those days?

And the end of the graph
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82386/0040_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 06 March 2012, 13:24:52
From HMS Torch, log book for 1st July 1921 to 31st August 1921, record of miles travelled at various speeds, and one example of exceeding normal speed.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-87829/002_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: amamdury on 06 March 2012, 15:47:33
Dunedin
Read Warrant No 7.  Discharged 1 rating to Hood for cell punishment
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-76348/0098_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: bpb42 on 06 March 2012, 17:39:57
From HMS Hollyhock, - the following page is dated March 10th 1923.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-78903/0070_0.jpg

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-78903/0069_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: philip.brohan on 07 March 2012, 04:56:36
Aha - a barograph chart. You don't usually see those in the deck logs (much more common in specialist meteorological logs). They are great for reconstructing the exact timing of a moving weather pattern (but very difficult to transcribe).

The regular oscillation is a very nice illustration of the semi-diurnal oscillation of the atmosphere. This effect has been well known for many years (Laplace worked on it) and it's a response to the daily heating and cooling of the day/night cycle. But the details are complicated (I certainly don't understand them) - if anyone is REALLY interested, they could look at http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/adai/papers/SfcP-JAS-99-Paper.pdf (http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/adai/papers/SfcP-JAS-99-Paper.pdf).

Small piece of recording paper from the logs of HMS Renown.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82386/0038_1.jpg

And more, this time with a line. They appear to be continuous pressure readings.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82386/0039_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82386/0039_1.jpg

Why would the atmospheric pressure oscillate in that almost regular way, or is that an artifact of the recording technology in those days?

And the end of the graph
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82386/0040_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 07 March 2012, 07:21:38
I thought that it would interest you.

I didnt attempt to transcribe it. You will have to make do with  7 entries per page, sorry.  ;)

Thanks very much for the explanation and the link regarding oscillation of pressure. Much of it sort of makes sense.

Will of course post any others here.

All the best.

K

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 08 March 2012, 18:03:05
Here is another couple, from Feb 1922. Again HMS Renown, this time in Columbo.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82386/0101_1.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82386/0102_0.jpg
K
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 08 March 2012, 19:06:59
The technology on our ships is starting to get fancy. ;D
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 08 March 2012, 19:41:57
Here is another couple, from the Feb 1922. Again HMS Renown, this time in Columbo.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82386/0101_1.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82386/0102_0.jpg
K

When I was at infant school (< 7 years) we walked home past a big shop window that had a barograph on display. (I think it was an optician's.) I was fascinated by this device because it drew a line without any obvious pen or pencil and so slowly; and how did the pointer get round to the back of the cylinder, and why was it always at the same place in the box whenever I saw it?
"How does it work, Dad?"
"Well, there are no wires so they must wind it up with a key; like the clock on the mantlepiece."
"But there's no hole for the key."
"Perhaps it's magic."
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 08 March 2012, 20:19:36
All technology is magic, when perceived by those who do not have a basic understanding of it. 8)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 08 March 2012, 20:56:20
All technology is magic, when perceived by those who do not have a basic understanding of it. 8)

 ;D
To paraphrase an old saying: "Magic is in the eye of the beholder" eh?

Mrs B thinks her laptop is powered by black magic and the web-cam is definitely the "evil eye". It obeys me and not her because I chose it.  ::)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 09 March 2012, 05:33:40
We used to have wonderful old Negretti and Zambra thermographs on pasteurisers at the first brewery I worked at. They had clockwork mechanisms for rotating the chart, which I had to wind up. I think the pen must have been moved electrically from a thermocouple. The ink feed always used to block so I had to take them apart and flush out the lines. Now days of course they are all digital.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Carrie32 on 10 March 2012, 03:36:57
From HMS Laburnum
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-79574/0017_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-79574/0017_1.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-79574/0018_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Geoff on 10 March 2012, 05:14:14
From HMS Repulse - November 1923:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82491/0004_1.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82491/0004_1.jpg)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Carrie32 on 10 March 2012, 07:56:38
HMS Laburnum
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-79574/0041_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-79574/0041_1.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-79574/0042_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Craig on 11 March 2012, 09:43:16
http://www.oldweather.org/classify?vessel_id=4caf8a22cadfd3419702a48d

It's a graph of barometer readings for 1 week. Is this useful, since we have transcribed them anyway?

Craig
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Craig on 11 March 2012, 09:44:41
and this,

http://www.oldweather.org/classify?vessel_id=4caf8a22cadfd3419702a48d
 
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Craig on 11 March 2012, 10:02:16
Oops, thanks for the reminder, Randi. Here's the good link

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82386/0165_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Thursday Next on 11 March 2012, 15:21:50
A couple more barograms from the Renown, June 1922
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82386/0168_1.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82386/0169_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 11 March 2012, 16:29:41
HMS Orbita

14 Dec 1917 - Mare Island (Calif) - Ship in Dry Dock

Stoker Cochrane placed under arrest for assult on C.P.O Carson

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-53514/0009_0.jpg



15 Dec 1917 - Mare Island (Calif) - Ship in Dry Dock

Patrol returned with prisoner Sarchfield, prisoner put under sentrys charge.

Patrol returned with prisoner Bingham violent. put prisoner in cells.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-53514/0009_1.jpg



16 Dec 1917 - Mare Island (Calif) - Ship in Dry Dock

Firemen Stewart + Corbain placed under arrest for assulting ship's Corporal.

Fireman Bingham put in irons

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-53514/0010_0.jpg



18 Dec 1917 - Mare Island (Calif) - Ship in Dry Dock

Warrants No 94 + 95 read

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-53514/0011_0.jpg



26 Dec 1917 - Mare Island (Calif) - Ship just out of Dry Dock

Stoker Mc Donald placed under arrest for being drunk.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-53514/0015_0.jpg



3 Mar 1918 - Callao

Pte Wathen R.M.L.I. and Stoker Adams placed under sentry's charge

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-53517/0004_1.jpg



15 Mar 1918 - Callao

Stoker Adams released from cells

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-53517/0010_1.jpg



10 June 1918 - Mejillones

2.30 Seaman W Martin R.N.R. returned with working party under the infilence of liquor found necessary to put him under restraint

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-53520/007_0.jpg
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Post by: Helen J on 12 March 2012, 06:23:14
Obviously getting really bored with being in dry dock ....
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 12 March 2012, 07:18:56
Yup!
Never had problems like this when we were off the coast of Chile.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 12 March 2012, 09:55:39
I can imagine California providing more opportunities for wildness too (assuming that's what 'Calif' stands for?)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 12 March 2012, 14:28:09
I can imagine California providing more opportunities for wildness too (assuming that's what 'Calif' stands for?)
Correct
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 14 March 2012, 12:45:36
HMS Repulse 3rd November 1923

Cautioned Engineer Lieutenant Godfrey Oliver Powles for exceeding a Wine Bill of ?5 during the month of October 1923 although his attention had been called by the Captain in August 1923, to the necessity for keeping within the limit of ?5 per month

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82491/0164_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Carrie32 on 14 March 2012, 15:37:16
From HMS Laburnum
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-79574/0114_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-79574/0114_1.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-79574/0115_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 15 March 2012, 03:11:41
HMS Repulse - Just bits of scrap paper with some calculations on.  ???

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82491/0186_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82491/0186_1.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82491/0187_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82491/0187_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 15 March 2012, 13:54:06
It looks like someone forgot to throw out their scratch paper. Interesting, in that it makes the process of log keeping look a lot less formal. :)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 17 March 2012, 12:06:39
HMS Psyche, in the middle of the June 1914 logbook:
Record of Observations - in two halves

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-56061/0111_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-56061/0111_1.jpg

Probably part of the same thing, but not clear
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-56061/0112_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-56061/0112_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 17 March 2012, 16:06:19
HMS Veronica, April 1921, swinging for deviation

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-89884/0018_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 18 March 2012, 15:51:29
HMS Repulse, 31st July 1924

Cautioned Eng:Lieut G.O. Powles RN for being absent without leave from 0700 until 1400 on Tuesday 29th July 1924, this being the second occasion within 3 months

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82492/0121_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 19 March 2012, 13:48:34
HMS Repulse, 1st September 1924
Cautioned Commissioned Gunner J.H. Candy RN for absenting himself from Duty as 2nd Officer of Patrol for 2 hours.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82492/0137_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 20 March 2012, 12:46:10
HMS Repulse - Record of observations for deviation of compass and Position of Correctors

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82492/0149_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82492/0149_1.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82492/0150_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82492/0150_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 21 March 2012, 13:04:45
HMS Torch, November and December 1921, record of speeds and fuel expended:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-87831/002_1.jpg

and for January/February 1922:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-87832/002_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Carrie32 on 22 March 2012, 02:51:34
HMS Laburnum
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-79575/0003_1.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-79575/0004_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Carrie32 on 22 March 2012, 16:43:39
And HMS Laburnum again
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-79575/0028_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-79575/0028_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 23 March 2012, 13:56:40
HMS Marazion, record of speeds and fuel expended, June/July 1922

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-80480/0002_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 24 March 2012, 16:13:41
Here is the front page of a log book from HMS Weymouth for March 1921, including some general information on her engines etc.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-92411/0005_1.jpg
 
and the page about her armaments, boats etc.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-92411/0006_1.jpg

K
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 26 March 2012, 12:44:45
HMS Marazion 1923 - opening pages of log book with various information about her:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-80483/0003_1.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-80483/0004_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 26 March 2012, 13:59:59
Bit of a wild night on HMS Veronica, at Suva 6th April 1922:

Lieut E G Thomas RN returned onboard drunk and placed in arrest under sentry's charge.
Stokers King & Goodwin placed under sentry's charge for coming on board drunk.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-89885/0024_1.jpg

And another one who arrive back just after midnight: Mr H Challis Warrant Engineer returned on board & placed in arrest for having been drunk ashore.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-89885/0025_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 26 March 2012, 14:18:37
Bit of a wild night on HMS Veronica, at Suva 6th April 1922:

Lieut E G Thomas RN returned onboard drunk and placed in arrest under sentry's charge.
Stokers King & Goodwin placed under sentry's charge for coming on board drunk.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-89885/0024_1.jpg

Well ... the War is over and it's not exactly the crime of the sentry.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 26 March 2012, 14:28:25
 :P
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 26 March 2012, 15:08:43
 ;D ;D ::)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: studentforever on 29 March 2012, 03:47:46
Details of Temeraire's engines etc

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-62529/0004_1.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-62529/0005_1.jpg

and later on some compass readings
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-62529/0012_1.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-62529/0013_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-62529/0014_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 29 March 2012, 15:25:03
HMS Raleigh

First pages of Log:
23 July 1921 - 12 July 1922
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82271/0004_1.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82271/0005_1.jpg



Warrants:
3 Aug 1921 - Plymouth to Bermuda - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82271/0011_1.jpg
Read warrant No 1.

9 Aug 1921 - Plymouth to Bermuda - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82271/0014_1.jpg
Read warrant No 2.

13 Aug 1921 - Bermuda - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82271/0016_1.jpg
Read Warrant No 3.

19 Aug 1921 - Bermuda - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82271/0019_1.jpg
Read Warrant No 4.

20 Aug 1921 - Bermuda - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82271/0020_0.jpg
Read Warrant No 5

12 Nov 1921 - Bermuda to Jamaica - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82271/0063_1.jpg
Read Warrants Nos 11 + 12.

11 Feb 1922 ___ San Pedro to Panama - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82271/0109_0.jpg
Read Warrant No 24

13 Feb 1922 ___ San Pedro to Panama - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82271/0110_0.jpg
Read Warrants Nos 25 + 26

14 Feb 1922 ___ San Pedro to Panama - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82271/0110_1.jpg
Read Warrant No 27.

20 Feb 1922 ___ Colon  To  Bermuda
Read Warrant No 28.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 30 March 2012, 10:58:48
HMS Glory - Covering note re logs from Captain to The Engineer Captain HM Dockyard Bermuda

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43011/0002_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: studentforever on 31 March 2012, 07:05:40
One of Temeraire's cadets lost a finger.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-62529/0039_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: PeteB9 on 05 April 2012, 10:52:37
HMS Raleigh 15th March 1922

Admonished Lieut M H M Durand RN for neglect of duty in not keeping the morning watch of Tuesday 14th March 1922 in a proper manner.  Signed Mortimer H M Durand Lieutenant

26th March 1922

Half masted colours for funeral of late Ed. Johns Sto. of HMS Constance.

RIP
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 05 April 2012, 17:31:13
H.M.S. Mantua:

Read Warrant ~ of Payment No 114.

Its the first time that I read such a warrant. The word I can't read makes it difficult to understand. Thanks for any help.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-48308/0011_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: studentforever on 05 April 2012, 17:55:28
I've almost convinced myself it says 'Read Warrant no 114, mulct of payment'.  Mulct is a word which has pretty well dropped out of use but does relate to money.  However I haven't come across the phrase 'mulct of payment' so I'm a bit doubtful.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 05 April 2012, 18:30:17
It does look like mulct, though 'mulct of payment' seems redundant (if I'm understanding the definition correctly).
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 05 April 2012, 19:37:07
So OW teaches me vocabulary I never heard of before as well as history.   ;D

Quote
From Free Dictionary, second entry (first was a noun):

mulct [mʌlkt]  vb (tr)
1. (Law) to cheat or defraud
2. (Law) to fine (a person)

Sounds like the #1 definition fits in perfectly, and they caught an embezzler.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: studentforever on 06 April 2012, 03:51:46
The last 'use' of mulct I came across was in the Dorothy L Sayers series of Peter Whimsey books, I forget which.  She was a famously erudite author and Oxford graduate who frequently used quotations in foreign languages (often without added translation) in her novels.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: PeteB9 on 06 April 2012, 05:31:38
HMS Raleigh again 22nd May 1922

Paymaster Lieutenant R H Nicholson

Admonished for misconduct, firstly in taking an unauthorized copy of a confidential programme of movements, and secondly, in disclosing the same to an unauthorized person.

We seem to have a bit of a discipline problem lately, quite a few warrants read, one court martial, ratings in detention and a couple of officers censured.

I wonder if the fact she runs aground a few months later is connected?
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 06 April 2012, 06:03:28
Thanks to all for the explanation of "Mulct". I corrected in that way.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 07 April 2012, 12:33:08
Opening page of log for HMS Cardiff from 1st January 1919 to 23rd December 1919, with details of the Captains, and of the ship.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37065/0004_1.jpg

And more details of the ship, its armaments and boats etc.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37065/0005_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 07 April 2012, 15:32:46
The first medals I had to transcribe: Two D.S. Medals are presented by the C. in chief.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-48310/0016_0.jpg
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Post by: Thursday Next on 07 April 2012, 15:59:47
Just so annoying that it doesn't say who the medals were presented to!  Should have been the medical staff who saw the Mantua's crew through the Spanish flu outbreak, if you ask me!
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 08 April 2012, 09:35:32
HMS Ceres 26th Feb 1919 Compass deviation and correctors

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0035_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0035_1.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0036_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 08 April 2012, 12:57:41
A list of ships which Cardiff found in the Grand Harbour of Malta, when she arrived there on 16th March 1919.  They're typed which is very helpful in terms of deciphering the names (though the spelling is sometimes a bit dodgy ...)

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37065/0043_1.jpg

And at two other ports, Spalato and Sebenico, in what is now I think Croatia, on 28th March 1919
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37065/0050_1.jpg

Another port - Cattaro, on 30th March 1919
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37065/0052_1.jpg

At Pola on 6th April 1919; this list includes a number of interned Austrian ships:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37065/0059_0.jpg

At Venice on 9th April 1919, with more interned Austrian ships:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37065/0060_1.jpg

At Fiume on 13th April 1919:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37065/0063_1.jpg

At Spalato, again, on 26th April 1919:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37065/0071_1.jpg

Back in Venice, on 17th May 1919:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37065/0082_1.jpg

Fiume, on 25th May 1919:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37065/0087_1.jpg

Venice again, 22nd June 1919:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37065/0102_1.jpg

And back to Fiume again, 28th June 1919:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37065/0106_1.jpg

Fiume again, 20th September 1919:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37065/0149_1.jpg

Pola, probably 26th September 1919:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37065/0153_1.jpg

Venice again, 21st October 1919:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37065/0167_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 08 April 2012, 20:01:03
I was on Torch that year, at Malta.  And she never even hinted in her logs of how crowded that harbor got.  In fact, she only mentioned ships she had to interact with.

I'm jealous! :)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: studentforever on 09 April 2012, 03:47:09
Grand harbour is HUGE but that number of ships would have been a sight to see even though the ships would have been small compared with today's container vessels.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 09 April 2012, 07:56:36
I was on Torch that year, at Malta.  And she never even hinted in her logs of how crowded that harbor got.  In fact, she only mentioned ships she had to interact with.

I'm jealous! :)

Yes, this is a log keeper who obviously feels this is important information; and even types it which is wonderful.  Not so good for the scans mind you, as it means the right edge of some pages is missing and can't be transcribed, but hey you can't have everything!   8)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 10 April 2012, 09:49:15
HMS Ceres - List of Engineers' Stores lost during Refit at Chatham requiring to be noted in Ship's log on 1st April of 19.

With a note on the bottom to make sure it didn't get taken out of their wages!: Lost during refit at Chatham, Jan'y to Feb'y 1919, and verified by complete Stock-taking, now completed. Throughout the refit the Store-keeper and all the Active Service Ratings were on Admiralty Leave.

Like the above notes from Cardiff this one is also typed, a recent innovation or just conincidence  ???

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0053_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Caro on 10 April 2012, 12:15:34
HMS Mantua

To be given to Mr More... December 24, 1918

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-48313/0039_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 10 April 2012, 12:16:36
HMS Cardiff, June 12th 1919:

Mr Shannon, Chief Gunner, was cautioned with regard to landing stores without permission.  Signed ~ Shannon, Chief Gunner, and A Bromley, Captain.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37065/0097_1.jpg
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Post by: CHommel on 10 April 2012, 19:32:16
Wisteria, 30 August 1921: https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-93262/0034_1.jpg

4.15  Warrant No 5 read
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Steeleye on 11 April 2012, 08:20:21
What might be called a 'job lot' of Courts Martial held on HMS Glory on 27 January 1915, with three being held:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43011/0152_1.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43011/0152_1.jpg)

Unusually, one of the accused is mentioned by name (at 2.15 pm).  The name appears to start with 'H' and end with 't', but the letters in between are a bit of a mystery.
 ???

On the 30th, the gentleman mentioned in the 3rd Court Martial was discharged for passage to England.  On this page, his name looks a bit like 'Hext'.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43011/0154_0.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43011/0154_0.jpg)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 11 April 2012, 09:06:21
I'd go with Hext, on the basis of the second page - and it doesn't actually disagree with what it's possible to make out on the first page.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 11 April 2012, 18:36:18
HMS Cardiff, records of deviation, 16th December 1919:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37065/0196_1.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37065/0197_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 13 April 2012, 03:45:47
HMS Ceres 9th May 1919 - 'Night Report'

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0073_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 13 April 2012, 07:25:10
HMS Ceres 9th May 1919 - 'Night Report'

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0073_1.jpg

Never seen one of those before!  I wonder whether they always did them, but they just didn't usually get included in the log?
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 13 April 2012, 07:45:32
Me neither. Interesting mixture!
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 13 April 2012, 07:50:06
HMS Ceres 9th May 1919 - 'Night Report'

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0073_1.jpg

Never seen one of those before!  I wonder whether they always did them, but they just didn't usually get included in the log?

I wonder whether it would be part of the captain's record keeping. He would ultimately be accountable for personnel.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 13 April 2012, 12:22:04
The 'Night Report' doesn't appear to match up with the log page it's with as there's no mention of any crew on long leave (and didn't they only do that in home ports?) or the absentee.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 13 April 2012, 12:59:54
The 'Night Report' doesn't appear to match up with the log page it's with as there's no mention of any crew on long leave (and didn't they only do that in home ports?) or the absentee.

Perhaps it was just a spare bit of paper which was lying around and got attached to the log by accident? 
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 15 April 2012, 13:10:45
HMS Ceres 18th July 1919 Compass deviation

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0110_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0110_1.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0111_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: bpb42 on 15 April 2012, 15:12:47
HMS Mutine, frontpage of logbook with names of her various Captains and technical specifications.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-81165/0004_1.jpg

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-81165/0005_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 15 April 2012, 15:42:59
Reasons for exceeding normal speed, from HMS Wisteria, March 1922.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-93266/0002_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: CHommel on 16 April 2012, 10:56:24
Reasons for exceeding normal speed, from HMS Wisteria, March 1922.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-93266/0002_1.jpg

Interesting page, helenj!  Is there any way to tell who was the "Governor" that Wisteria was chauffering around?
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 16 April 2012, 11:04:33
No, sadly the relevant pages didn't give him a name; he was just 'H.E. the Governor and staff' which isn't much help.  I suppose somewhere in the Google sphere there'll be a list of Governors of the West Indies at the relevant time ....
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 16 April 2012, 11:46:20
Just found another reference to a Governor - this one is the Governor of Martinique, and he's just visited Wisteria.  So perhaps the previous one was the Governor of something less than the whole West Indies ...
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 17 April 2012, 06:17:08
HMS Ceres 28th August 1919 Compass deviation

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0132_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0132_1.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0133_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 17 April 2012, 15:28:45
Reasons for exceeding ordinary speed/consumption, on HMS Wistaria, May and June 1922.  They include 'foulness of ship's bottom'   ::)

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-93267/0002_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 18 April 2012, 15:00:20
HMS Ceres Compass deviations 10th Nov 1919

https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0171_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0171_1.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37502/0172_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: LupusUK on 24 April 2012, 01:47:14
HMS Edinburgh Castle 19th September 1914

Corrections for the couses by the standard compass
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-007_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Carrie32 on 24 April 2012, 12:33:54
HMS Cornwall
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-38658/ADM%2053-38658-003_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-38658/ADM%2053-38658-004_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-38658/ADM%2053-38658-006_0.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-38658/ADM%2053-38658-006_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 24 April 2012, 16:39:04
HMS Challenger is back. The first 4 days at Tanga where dedicated to a Court if Enquiry. Than a prisoner from HMS Thistle was brought on board for 10 days of cell.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37523/ADM%2053-37523-005a_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: LupusUK on 25 April 2012, 14:41:22
HMS Edinburgh Castle boarding reports:-

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-013_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-014_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-015_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-016_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-019_0.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-019_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-020_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-024_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-029_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-030_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-031_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-032_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-034_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-037_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-038_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-039_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-044_1.jpg




Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Carrie32 on 25 April 2012, 18:08:07
HMS Devonshire, November 1916
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-39748/ADM%2053-39748-012_0.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-39748/ADM%2053-39748-012_1.jpg
The weather was a little rough.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: lollia paolina on 26 April 2012, 06:32:16
HMS Gloucestershire, Armed Merchant Cruiser,
January 4th, 1918:

Full description of the Wooden Schooner BILLIE MARTIN of Boston U.S.A. boarded at 8:53:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43107/ADM%2053-43107-005_0.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43107/ADM%2053-43107-006_0.jpg

from Casa Blanca to St. Thomas W Indies. Lat 24 23N Long 21 11W. Allowed to proceed.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 26 April 2012, 17:00:31
HMS Edinburgh Castle boarding reports:-

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-013_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-014_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-015_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-016_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-019_0.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-019_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-020_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-024_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-029_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-030_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-031_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-032_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-034_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-037_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-038_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-039_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-044_1.jpg

I've never seen anything like these before - fascinating!  On the Northern Patrol they just seem to record that they boarded the ship and either allowed it to proceed, or ordered it to proceed to Kirkwall (usually) with a prize crew on board.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: studentforever on 26 April 2012, 17:54:38
These ought to be indexed somewhere, especially since they provide cross-references for the movements of other vessels and give a real insight into social attitudes.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 26 April 2012, 19:24:43
Look at some of the edits of ship logs that we have finished (Magazine) and you'll see exactly where these will be made available. :)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: lollia paolina on 27 April 2012, 07:36:27
HMS Gloucestershire,
the following graph is at the end of  March 1918 logbook:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43109/ADM%2053-43109-019_1.jpg



Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Craig on 27 April 2012, 11:13:30
HMS Empress of Japan. Extracts from Engine Room Registers for quarter ending March 31 1915.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40810/ADM%2053-40810-018_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 29 April 2012, 12:55:28
HMS Grafton, 15th May 1914, swinging ship for deviation, in two halves:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43384/ADM%2053-43384-027_0.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43384/ADM%2053-43384-027_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 02 May 2012, 12:13:38
HMS Grafton, 5th August 1914, fascinating record of capture of a German ship on the first day of the War:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43384/ADM%2053-43384-071_0.jpg

And another on August 8th:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43384/ADM%2053-43384-072_1.jpg

They've created a little form to fill in - obviously expecting to have to do a lot of them.  These are August 7th:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43384/ADM%2053-43384-073_0.jpg

9th August, boarded four ships today:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43384/ADM%2053-43384-074_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 02 May 2012, 14:32:40
Interesting find
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: LupusUK on 03 May 2012, 01:52:06
HMS Edinburgh Castle boarding report

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-065_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Craig on 08 May 2012, 10:29:17
An ealier HMS Edinburgh Castle boarding report

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-024_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 08 May 2012, 17:19:19
HMS Gloucestershire - Deviation of standard compass and diagram August 1917

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43102/ADM%2053-43102-019_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Craig on 09 May 2012, 10:54:10
Endinburgh Castle boarding report for Infanta Isobel de Borbon Oct 14, 1914.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-029_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Craig on 09 May 2012, 10:56:26
Edinburgh Castle boarding report for Lady Ninian, Oct. 14 1914.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-030_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Craig on 09 May 2012, 11:03:14
Edinburgh Castle boarding report for SS Terino, Oct. 15 1914

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-031_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Craig on 09 May 2012, 11:06:35
yet another boarding report for the Edinburgh Castle. This time it's the S.S. Bampton, Oct 15 1914

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-032_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Craig on 10 May 2012, 06:12:16
Endinburg Castle boarding report for SS Elizabeth Van Belgie, Oct. 17 1914.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Craig on 10 May 2012, 07:27:33
Edinburgh Castle boarding report for S.S. Antiope, October 20th 1914

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-037_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Craig on 10 May 2012, 07:32:15
Edinburgh Castle boarding report for S.S. Trixos, October 21 1914

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Craig on 10 May 2012, 07:35:42
Edinburgh Castle boarding report for S.S. Normmania, October 21 1914

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: LupusUK on 10 May 2012, 15:29:42
gastcra,
I think I posted links to all the sept/oct boarding reports here:-

HMS Edinburgh Castle boarding reports:-

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-013_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-014_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-015_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-016_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-019_0.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-019_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-020_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-024_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-029_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-030_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-031_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-032_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-034_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-037_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-038_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-039_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-044_1.jpg

I just want to save you from duplicating any work. Of course if I missed any feel free to add them


P.S.
Here are two more reports which, unusually, are for the same visit but by different people which I've never seen before
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-089_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-090_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Craig on 10 May 2012, 15:48:12
Thanks lupusUK. I did a search for your name before I posted and I saw some of the reports you did but I must have overlooked your main posting. I will assume from now on that you have posted the links for Edinburgh Castle - one of the disadvantages of being in the lead  ;D.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 10 May 2012, 17:42:09
Gee, the Edinburgh Castle is a lot more exciting than the Intrepid.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 12 May 2012, 08:27:53
Compass deviation for H.M.S. Glasgow

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42828/ADM%2053-42828-127_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 12 May 2012, 19:13:31
Hi H.Kohler.
I'm back with your crew on Glasgow.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 13 May 2012, 10:25:22
Hello Pommystuart

Nice to have you back onboard.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Carrie32 on 14 May 2012, 05:16:45
HMS Jed
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45333/ADM%2053-45333-002_0.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45333/ADM%2053-45333-002_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45333/ADM%2053-45333-003_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: LupusUK on 14 May 2012, 14:54:38
HMS Edinburgh Castle boarding report
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-109_1.jpg

Ship named S.S Tabagy in the report but recorded as Tibagy in the log (which can be just seen in the thin strip of the remarks column visible)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: LupusUK on 14 May 2012, 15:09:02
HMS Edinburgh Castle

Account of ship touching bottom
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-110_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 14 May 2012, 16:48:23
Some ratings must have been in some trouble onboard of H.M.S. Glasgow as 5 warrants are read. Might have been that they made some mischief while on shore leave at Port Stanley a few days earlier.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42828/ADM%2053-42828-149_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 14 May 2012, 17:33:58
Not I Captain.
 ;D
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jdulak on 14 May 2012, 17:48:51
From the December 1914 HMS Glasgow log:

Record of Observations for Deviation
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42828/ADM%2053-42828-127_1.jpg

Description and position of Correctors
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42828/ADM%2053-42828-128_0.jpg

John
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 15 May 2012, 02:58:08
Me neither, Captain.
 ;D
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: lollia paolina on 15 May 2012, 06:15:22
The following note is attached to HMS Gloucestershire's logs, March 18th, 1917:

"The banns of marriage were published for the First time at morning Service today the 18th day of March 1917, between Alfred William Bartlett, Batchelor, of HMS Gloucestershire and Florence May Clarey, Spinster, of the Parish of St. John's, Woolrich."

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43097/ADM%2053-43097-013_0.jpg


for the second time March 25th, 1917:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43097/ADM%2053-43097-016_1.jpg

and for the third time:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43098/ADM%2053-43098-003_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 15 May 2012, 17:22:55
Very nice find lollia, it gives a really pleasant note to the vicissitudes of war.

H.M.S. Glasgow was more down to earth as the hands were mustered by the ledger and characters and abilities were read.

To also to be noted is the state of the barometer readings. I think that it is the usual weather at the Cape Horn region. Those low pressures continued for a day or two with strong winds up to 10 beaufort.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42828/ADM%2053-42828-152_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: LupusUK on 17 May 2012, 13:59:07
HMS Edinburgh Castle boarding report (S.S. Willaston 27th Marth 1915)

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-128_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: LupusUK on 17 May 2012, 15:49:42
HMS Edinburgh Castle
Extracts from engine-room registers
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-132_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: LupusUK on 18 May 2012, 01:37:03
HMS Edinburgh Castle boarding report (S.S. Conway/S.S Wagama 2nd April 1915)

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-133_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-134_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: LupusUK on 20 May 2012, 07:35:03
HMS Edinburgh Castle
Extracts from engine-room registers

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-182_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: ElisabethB on 20 May 2012, 16:59:24
HMS Caesar
1st August 1914 (http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36572/ADM%2053-36572-039_0.jpg)
List of Officers in ship on mobilizing
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 21 May 2012, 05:43:59
HMS Caesar
1st August 1914 (http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-36572/ADM%2053-36572-039_0.jpg)
List of Officers in ship on mobilizing

Haven't seen one of those before - very interesting!
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 21 May 2012, 05:58:51
Elegant writing too!
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: LupusUK on 22 May 2012, 15:41:00
HMS Edinburgh Castle
Extracts from engine-room registers for quarter ending September

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40565/ADM%2053-40565-002_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: LupusUK on 26 May 2012, 03:49:26
HMS Edinburgh Castle
Extracts from engine-room registers for quarter ending December

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40568/ADM%2053-40568-002_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: LupusUK on 27 May 2012, 15:33:54
HMS Edinburgh Castle
Extracts from engine-room registers for quarter ending March 31st 1916

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40571/ADM%2053-40571-002_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: LupusUK on 30 May 2012, 01:21:46
HMS Edinburgh Castle
Extracts from engine-room registers for quarter ending 30th June 1916

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Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 31 May 2012, 06:34:42
HMS Gloucestershire at end of Nov 1917 log book - coal consumption with working out

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Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 31 May 2012, 11:39:41
HMS Gloucestershire - 10th Dec 1917

Admonished Mr. Starkey, Warrant telegraphist for neglect of duty in not taking a WT signal while on watch at 2.16 am on 3rd Dec.(signed) J Starkey

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Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 31 May 2012, 16:33:19
While around in South America H.M.S. Glasgow's crew behaved well. Now as she is at Simons Town in dry dock and now at least once a week warrants are read. This time two ratings must have behaved quite badly as they were sent to detention barracks.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42836/ADM%2053-42836-007_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 31 May 2012, 19:32:38
While around in South America H.M.S. Glasgow's crew behaved well. Now as she is at Simons Town in dry dock and now at least once a week warrants are read. This time two ratings must have behaved quite badly as they were sent to detention barracks.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42836/ADM%2053-42836-007_0.jpg
I think Simon's Town must have been awash with temptation!  I remember on one of my ships (Himalaya?) there was a constant stream of ratings being sent off to detention, and warrants being read very regularly.  And being in dry dock must have been very boring too - it certainly is boring to transcribe!
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 01 June 2012, 04:22:15
You are right Helenj. Here is the confirmation:

One deserter brought onboard by escort

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42836/ADM%2053-42836-012_1.jpg

And the next day:

Prisoner at large broke out of ship.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42836/ADM%2053-42836-013_0.jpg

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 01 June 2012, 05:03:04
When the prisoner has been brought back was not mentioned, but now he is transferred to Laconia for trial by Court Martial.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42836/ADM%2053-42836-017_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: LupusUK on 01 June 2012, 16:27:49
HMS Edinburgh Castle
Extracts from engine-room registers for quarter ending September 30 1916

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Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: LupusUK on 02 June 2012, 15:39:34
HMS Edinburgh Castle
Extracts from engine-room registers for quarter ending 31st December 1916

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Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 03 June 2012, 07:13:57
HMS Glory - Water report
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43032/ADM%2053-43032-009_1.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: LupusUK on 04 June 2012, 06:22:25
HMS Edinburgh Castle
Extracts from engine-room registers for quarter ending March 31 1917

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Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: LupusUK on 05 June 2012, 15:29:00
HMS Edinburgh Castle
Extracts from engine-room registers for quarter ending June 30 1917

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Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 06 June 2012, 03:24:03
H.M.S. Glasgow:

Read Warrant No 1.

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This will need some explanation: As she was decommissioned January 24th and recommissioned the next day, the warrant counting was set to zero. This means for us that we will have to wait until 2017 to be able to read the warrants of the first leg we transcribed (as far as I know warrants are closed for 100 years).
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 06 June 2012, 11:25:02
HMS Mutine
1'st pages of new log - 13 Oct 1921 to 23 Sept 1922
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Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 07 June 2012, 14:59:12
HMS Glasgow

Compass deviation

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42841/ADM%2053-42841-018_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: LupusUK on 07 June 2012, 15:13:01
HMS Edinburgh Castle
Extracts from engine-room registers for quarter ending September 1917

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40589/ADM%2053-40589-004_0.jpg
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 10 June 2012, 16:59:30
There was a serious breach of discipline onboard H.M.S. Glasgow:

Read Warrant No 17. Discharged F Canell Sto R.N.R. to "Drumcliffe" for passage to Stanley for 90 days imprisonment.

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Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Karijn on 11 June 2012, 12:14:40
Just in case I see more of these (had some before but didn't know they had a seperate topic yet. I always transcribe them): do you also have to enter them in this thread if it just says "Warrant nr. X read" without names or consequences? That has always been the case with the ones I found so far.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 11 June 2012, 12:24:06
Hi Karijn

Where there is just a record of warrant X being read then I would transcribe it and enter it here, particularly if there is any  other information, such as the name of the offender or the crime, or sentence etc. The reason is that the warrants themselves are tied up in British Red Tape for 100 years, so it will be a fairly long time before we can get at them.

Of course any more interesting details are of interest to us all on the forum.

Hope this helps. K
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 11 June 2012, 13:24:51
Just in case I see more of these (had some before but didn't know they had a seperate topic yet. I always transcribe them): do you also have to enter them in this thread if it just says "Warrant nr. X read" without names or consequences? That has always been the case with the ones I found so far.
I listed ALL warrants here for a long time, but I stopped doing that recently. I would make 1 entry for a ship and then just add each new warrant to that entry rather than creating a new entry each time. If more than the number is given (that has never happened to me), I would post it here. I still transcribe them.
I don't know of any official policy...
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Karijn on 11 June 2012, 15:52:48
So I just found the Warrant No2 read on april 5th on the Intrepid. No additional information.

Like that?
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 11 June 2012, 16:01:35
Karijn, it is very rare for names or crimes to be listed when warrants are read.  These are, in detail, to property of the Admiralty courts.  To protect privacy of individuals, those court records are sealed for 99 years.  (Our logs were all sealed for 49 years.)  So you will be able to go to the Admiralty and ask to see the records on these warrants in 2017. :(

As far as transcribing the warrant numbers goes, the primary rule is All Comments Are Optional.  There is no right or wrong.  Do what pleases you with it.

I have always transcribed the warrants for 2 reasons.  First, it gives a good sense of whether this is a good, well-behaved crew or an unhappy one to all readers.  Second, the 99 year limit is not all that far away and no one knows is historians then will want to follow up on this stuff.  But that's just my preference. :)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 12 June 2012, 02:58:59
Good points Janet - I'll go back to doing it.

This is how I did it on Raleigh - so that they are all together (at least for the pages I got :P)
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=718.msg38779#msg38779
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Karijn on 12 June 2012, 04:09:22
Thanks Janet, I'll edit new ones I find into that post then.
And keep transcribing them of course :).
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 15 June 2012, 12:57:33
HMS Gloucestershire - A diagram of Sierra Leone anchorage at the end of March 1918 log book

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Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Karijn on 15 June 2012, 16:12:01
Wow, that's really cool :)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 21 June 2012, 16:53:38
H.M.S. Glasgow.

Read warrant No 45.
The fault must have been minor as the rating to whom the warrant was read was not sent to detention as it has been done quite often.

Escort returned with deserter from "Edinburgh Castle"

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Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 22 June 2012, 17:08:32
This time the offense must have been quite bad or the detention quarters are full of ratings from different ships, which means that ratings can be sent to prison for detention.

Read warrant No 48. Discharged one Pte R.M.L.I. to prison

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Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Bunting Tosser on 22 June 2012, 18:21:46
This time the offense must have been quite bad or the detention quarters are full of ratings from different ships, which means that ratings can be sent to prison for detention.

Read warrant No 48. Discharged one Pte R.M.L.I. to prison

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42849/ADM%2053-42849-006_1.jpg

I'm not so sure about that h.k.
Marines are odd, in almost every respect. There's a clue in the name "Royal Marine Light Infantry". They observe army ranks and have for decades, after the days of sail - when they were posted in the rigging to direct musket fire on enemy ships (as happened to Lord Nelson), done much of their fighting on land. The RN regards them as awkward neighbours (because of their separate command system); they regard the RN as their water-taxi service. (At least that's the feeling of the one I know.  ;D)
So ... I suspect that, as they were in a friendly country (part of the Empire) the unfortunate private was sent to an army detention barracks: "Let the army feed him. He's one of theirs."

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 23 June 2012, 11:04:24
Thanks Bunts for those informations. I did not know about the ill-feelings between Navy an Royal Marines.

Every day is a learning day.  ;)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 23 June 2012, 12:09:57
Simons Town really has something to offer for crew members and the temptation to make some offense is very great.

Still from H.M.S. Glasgow:

Rear warrants Nos 51. 52. 53. 54. Discharged 4 offenders to Wynberb detention barracks.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42849/ADM%2053-42849-011_0.jpg

As it is the first time that a place of detention is mentioned, I made some research and found a very interesting article of the Wynberg Military Camp.

http://scientiamilitaria.journals.ac.za/pub/article/viewFile/388/423
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 23 June 2012, 14:17:55
Edinburgh Castle
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Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 23 June 2012, 17:09:15
Re Glasgow warrants.
Do they start renumbering from 1 each year?
I had warrants 70 something read at the end of 1915.
Not noticed the numbers before, just typed them in.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 23 June 2012, 17:46:16
I think that they get (re)set to 1 when the ship is (re)commissioned.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 23 June 2012, 18:02:21
So it is Randi, for more information see my explanation on page 63 of this topic.

Stuart, I hope this helps.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 24 June 2012, 02:16:25
So it is Randi, for more information see my explanation on page 63 of this topic.

Stuart, I hope this helps.

Seems to be page 62 for me if it is this one: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=718.msg43822#msg43822
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 24 June 2012, 03:14:29
Oups wrong number, my fingers got made themselves independent.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 25 June 2012, 12:34:03
Records of observations for deviation H.M.S. Glasgow

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Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: h.kohler on 25 June 2012, 16:33:42
Being drunk onboard always has its consequences:

Cautioned Lieut. Q.E. Peters for being drunk onboard at 4.0 pm on Sunday 3rd February

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42863/ADM%2053-42863-006_0.jpg

You will also note that 52 men and officers joined H.M.S. Glasgow for passage.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 29 June 2012, 12:31:43
HMS Gloucestershire Extracts from Engine Room registers quarter ending March 1916
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Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 02 July 2012, 13:40:19
From HMS Hilary, 13th June 1916:

2pm Mr Becket (Gunner) corrected by Captain for bringing forward a frivolous & vexatious complaint.

Life has been pretty serious recently - who can blame Mr Becket for wanting a bit of frivolity?

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Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 02 July 2012, 16:38:24
HMS Gloucestershire Extracts from Engine Room registers quarter ending June 1916
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Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Karijn on 03 July 2012, 05:35:01
November 21st on the Intrepid:

"Divisions+Prayers. Physical Exercise. Warrant No.7 read."

Could this be related, in that somebody misbehaved during Physical Exercise, or were warrants usually read long after the incident? Just for my curiosity.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 03 July 2012, 05:58:16
They usually seem to be read either at divisions or at quarters, simply because that's when the crew assembles anyway.  One of my ships always did it at 4pm.
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 06 July 2012, 14:04:25
Glasgow was just too tempting:

Corrected Mr J W Harwood Eng Lieut RNR (temp) for being absent for two hours after his leave expired when ship was about to go to sea. Signed J W Harwood; F W Dean Act Capt.

From HMS Hilary, 9th November 1916.

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Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 08 July 2012, 04:22:26
A sailor from HMS Gloucestershire got married:
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Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 08 July 2012, 16:17:48
Mr Harwood is in trouble again:

Corrected Engineer Lieut J W Harwood RNR (Tempy) for (1) making a disturbance in an improper place namely MAA's cabin on 20 inst; (2) incurring excessive charges for wines & spiritis on Feb 18th & 20th.  Signed F W Dean Act Capt, J W Harwood

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Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: jil on 09 July 2012, 04:15:53
Mr Harwood is in trouble again:

Corrected Engineer Lieut J W Harwood RNR (Tempy) for (1) making a disturbance in an improper place namely MAA's cabin on 20 inst; (2) incurring excessive charges for wines & spiritis on Feb 18th & 20th.  Signed F W Dean Act Capt, J W Harwood

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44341/ADM%2053-44341-014_0.jpg
Do they have a proper place for making a disturbance?  ;D
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 09 July 2012, 04:32:31
I am beginning to like Mr Harwood, he reminds me a bit of myself in my merchant navy days. 9p a spirit and 1s a beer.    ::)
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: AvastMH on 09 July 2012, 04:46:08
That'd be 9**d**   ;D

Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Randi on 09 July 2012, 05:59:01
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Helen J on 09 July 2012, 07:46:43
Mr Harwood is in trouble again:

Corrected Engineer Lieut J W Harwood RNR (Tempy) for (1) making a disturbance in an improper place namely MAA's cabin on 20 inst; (2) incurring excessive charges for wines & spiritis on Feb 18th & 20th.  Signed F W Dean Act Capt, J W Harwood

http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44341/ADM%2053-44341-014_0.jpg
Do they have a proper place for making a disturbance?  ;D

Good question!   :D  The Navy does seem to have rules for pretty much everything (not unlike religious communities in the old days) so perhaps there was a rule 'if you need to make a disturbance, you do it there'. 
Title: Re: RN: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: raleighdiver on 25 January 2013, 20:39:37
Greetings fellow HMS Raleigh enthusiasts. I led an expedition to dive on her scattered remains and conduct an initial underwater archeological site assessment  August 8-12 2012, the 90th anniversary of her loss at Point Amour, Labrador. I am currently working on a site visit report and stumbled across your work while googling. The original ships logs you are showing pages from are  tantalising, as I am currenlty trying to put together a chronology of her movements after her launch as part of her summary. There are also interesting historical inaccuracies in other references in such basic areas as her armaments compared to teh sorucfe matierial you ahev from ehr log books,w hcih iw ould take as being the most accurate information.  Is there a way I can see and search the Raleigh logs through this project you are engaged in? I would also be happy to share our site assessemnt report when it is completed for thsoe interested. Any help pertaining to more information on  the Raleigh and her crew is much appreciated.
Title: Re: RN: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 25 January 2013, 21:09:29
Welcome to Old Weather, raleighdiver, we are very pleased to welcome you here.  We do have scans of the original ship logs for the last year of her life, July 1921 to August 1922. 

The Raleigh is one of the Phase 2 ships whose transcriptions are not yet online.  You can check for when that becomes available at Naval-History.net ROYAL NAVY LOG BOOKS - THE SHIP HISTORIES (http://www.naval-history.net/OWShips-LogBooksWW1.htm).  And feel free to read other raw and editing transcriptions we have there.  (Of the 310 ships transcribed, about 230 of them are currently online.)  All of our raw log scans can be found at http://old.oldweather.org/vessels?status=all and our logs from HMS Raleigh are all linked here (http://old.oldweather.org/vessels/4f73c758a2fc8ea903000291/logs).  The correct order of the scans is numerical, the list is sometimes out of order.  Her last log page is https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82272/0019_0.jpg

Also, if you go to the start of the Ships, Battles & People section (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=11.0) of the forum and use the forum search function in our header, you can find the forum discussions we had.

And if you are interested in the high arctic, we are currently transcribing US Coast Guard and other ships who sailed up there.  See The Dockyard section for a list of and discussions on those voyages.
Title: Re: RN: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: raleighdiver on 28 January 2013, 10:01:55
Janet: thanks for the warm welcome and the Raleigh logs are a gold mine- I have had a quick look at some of the entries, for instance for her visit to Washington at the time of the Washington treaty restricting naval rearmament. Great original source material. Thanks also for the offer on Arctic logs-I have been there on underwater search missions for the wreck of Franklins  Terror and have been twice to Cambridge Bay to do survey work on Roald Amundsens "Baymaud" wreck there. Thanks for your help!
Title: Re: RN: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 28 January 2013, 10:27:07
Glad to have what you are looking for. :)
Title: Re: RN: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Tegwen on 12 July 2013, 07:19:56
The following is  a list of documents included in HMS Mantis' log between the 14th and 15th of January 1919.

As far as I can see they weren't reported in this thread during transcription.

I have not transcribed them for the history as it would be very difficult due to the changes, etc. I have put in brief summaries for each page.


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Typed Document headed "The following 1 & 2 Flag Signal codes are proposed" (Left side of the page)
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48257/ADM 53-48257-143_1.jpg)
Typed Document headed "The following 1 & 2 Flag Signal codes are proposed" (right side of the page)
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48257/ADM 53-48257-144_0.jpg)
Reverse of above. Blank, but with typing showing through from front.
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48257/ADM 53-48257-144_1.jpg)
Typed Document headed "The following 1 & 2 Flag Signal codes are proposed" (Whole page view)
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48257/ADM 53-48257-145_0.jpg)
Reverse of above. Blank.
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48257/ADM 53-48257-145_1.jpg)
Hand written letter from HMS Bee to Commander Buxton proposing signals. Dated October 11th (no year)
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48257/ADM 53-48257-146_0.jpg)
Reverse of above. Blank
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48257/ADM 53-48257-146_1.jpg)
Hand written list of signals with amendments, strikeouts and notes on blank Form S. 1320c. Naval Signal
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48257/ADM 53-48257-147_0.jpg)
Reverse of above. Blank
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48257/ADM 53-48257-147_1.jpg)
Typed copy of list of Signals with strikeouts and hand written notes
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48257/ADM 53-48257-148_0.jpg)
Reverse of above
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48257/ADM 53-48257-148_1.jpg)
Second page of list of Signals with strikeouts and hand written notes
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48257/ADM 53-48257-149_0.jpg)
Reverse of above. Blank. (Left hand half page)
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48257/ADM 53-48257-149_1.jpg)
Reverse of above. Blank. (Right hand half page)
Title: Re: RN: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 12 July 2013, 08:05:15
Thank you, Keith. :)