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Library => The voyages, the work, the people, the places => Topic started by: brjrn on 23 November 2010, 18:48:11
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Would it be posible to record on this site details of burials at
sea. I have just had one burial and it recorded all details, name, date
and Lat Long of burial. This may be of use to Family History Reseachers.
I found the details of this death on CWGC web site. This only gives
details of date and where Buried/Remembered. In this case on the
Plymouth memorial. It does not include details of the actual burial or
where. I have already been in touch with a family member on this case
and they were thankful for the additional info on the final resting
place and other details. The man concerned was buried at sea from
Vengance but was actually a member of Talbot ships company. If they took
the trouble of researching Talbot they would not have found this
detail.
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Very good idea brjrn
I have just come across my first:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33654/ADM53-33654-293_1.jpg
On 23rd August 1916, Percy Hall, 30, Butcher on HMS Andes died following an epileptic fit in Lat 66 37N Long 14 30W
There were no relevant entries on the 24th
On the 25th:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33654/ADM53-33654-294_1.jpg
however, at 0935: Stopped and Held Funeral Service.
and at 0941: Committed the Body of Percy Hall, 30 Years, Butcher, to the Deep. Lat 66 41N Long 18 51W.
Rest in Peace (my comment)
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BRJRN
This is really useful. To the best of my knowledge,
there is little information on the positions of burials at sea as
distinct from cemeteries.
You can find all RN casualties in these
periods at http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1003-Intro.htm . I know
Don Kindell who compiled all these casualty lists would welcome this
information.
Thanks,
Gordon
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Hello
Yes, knowing a location of a burial of sea is very important.
Even
today, graves are being found around the world for men whose bodies had
been presumed buried at sea. A confirmation is always important.
All best
don
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H.M. Laurentic 7th September 1916 40 56N 70 43W
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46295/ADM%2053-46295-006_1.jpg
0115 Departed the life from heart failure Private William John Marshall R.M.L.I. - R.F.R. Official No. 6175 C~p~lton
1245 Stopped Port Engine. Read Burial Service & committed the body of Private William John Marshall R.M.L.I. to the deep.
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Hello Pliget
Many thanks on Marshall.
Your
C~p~lton is Chatham, his barracks. The Ch, Ply, Po you see in
Marines official numbers are Chatham, Plymouth, Portsmouth and it
indicates which Marine establishment they entered upon joining service.
The
R.F.R. indicates he had served his commitment pre war, joining on 18
February 1891, and joined the Royal Fleet Reserve. He was called
up in the Mobilisation. To complicate things, further, there were A
and B reserves, but that's a story for another time.
Keep up the good work.
don
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Kin 47 are you the Don of the RN History site. If so I have just
been reading your page on the Koningsberg sinking. Great stuff. Any way
my reason for replying is the original post in this thread. Here
are the details of the person concerned:
12.00 (Noon) Wieghed and
proceeded; stopped; Committed to the deep the mortal remains of Capt F
Thomas RMLI of HMS Talbot killed this morning. Position Lat 6-19S Long
38-57E.
This was HMS Vengance and refers to Francis Hastings Thomas who is commemorated on the plymouth war memorial.
I have also just completed HMS Mersey at the Konigsberg battle and have the following info from the ships log:
6/7/1915
Killed in Action:
John George Ransom CPO ON 155151
Colin Macdonald AB ON 228014 RFR
John Osmand AB ON 198849 RFR
Henry George Staines AB ON 215246
Wounded Seriously:
Alexander William Henderson AB ON 164842 (Since died)
Reginald John Rolls SBS ON 350785 (Since died)
Henry Joyce P.O1 ON 132956
Slightly wounded:
Stovold AB
Lieut Hearly RNR also slightly wounded
8 July 1915 Tirene Bay
5.45 Black Cock came alongside & embarked Officers and Burial party for burial of Henderson AB (Died of wounds)
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As a follow up to the above post re AB Henderson burial at sea on
8/7/1915. I just checked the CWGC entry for him and it has his date of
death as the 17/7/1915. Could just be a typo 17 instead of 7. he must
have died on the 6th or 7th to have been the subject of a bural at sea
leaving at 05.45AM on the 8th. I am assuming that he was buried from the
'Black Cock' as there is no mention of an actual service in Mersey's
log and it makes sense to move a small boat rather than a largeish
Monitor.
brjrn
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Hi brjrn
Guilty as charged, but the section on the KONIGSBERG Gazettes are the work of Gordon Smith.
Would it be possible to get a copy of the page showing Henderson's burial on 8 July?
The
Admiralty Death Ledger, who was probably the source of the CWGC
date, also says 17 July. Working with handwritten records, slashes
are sometimes taken as "1"'s with this result. The fact he was
buried on 8 July is conclusive and will be forwarded to CWGC for
amendment.
On the lighter side, if I may in such a sober
occasion, I can see a Monty Python skit were the poor soul is trying
convince the Captain he is not dead, despite his certificate.
Thank you for all your hard work.
All best
don
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Hi Don,
Unfortunately we can't go back to the pages we have
seen until the ship has been completed. Then you can go and look at the
logs. I think we are a long way off finishing Mersey just now. I did
however make a transcript but it is only my transcripton on a word
document.
I don't know if the team can access the page and send it to you.
Regards
brjrn
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Thanks brjrn
I came in from the other direction and obtained his service record.
Per
service record, Henderson dangerously wounded in action on 6
July. Declared dead 7 July. Per information from logs, as
well.
I will update my end and send CWGC a copy.
Good work. Keep it up.
All best
don
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On
the lighter side, if I may in such a sober occasion, I can see a Monty
Python skit were the poor soul is trying convince the Captain he is not
dead, despite his certificate.
Haha - yes I can just see Michael Palin now, trying to convince "Captain" John Cleese".
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Thanks brjrn
I came in from the other direction and obtained his service record.
Per
service record, Henderson dangerously wounded in action on 6
July. Declared dead 7 July. Per information from logs, as
well.
I will update my end and send CWGC a copy.
Thanks
Don, quick work, nice to be able to help set the record straight. As a
keen family historian myself it is important to have the correct date of
death. The place of burial (lat long) may be recorded in the Tug 'Black
Cock' logs. although I doubt we will be able to see them.
As an
aside, I e-mailed you through your web site about this matter. If you
respond I have a matter you might help me with if you can get records
that quickly.. I had a relative killed on the RN traWLER bEN aRDEN WHEN
IT STRUCK A MINE OFF dOVER.. Ihave seen info on the web about the
incident but any other info /details would be welcome.
brjrn
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On board the Caesar in Bermuda.
Pte John A Charlick was
reported missing on 6th October 1915 and found dead (they recovered his
body, I presume from the water) on 7th October 1915. Now on the 9th
October they are holding an inquiry into his death.
(http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb352/Fiona_Wynn/Charlick.jpg)
Does anyone know what the outcome was? I've never seen an inquiry before when there's been a death.
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On the 13th October a party of witnesses was landed to attend the
inquest in to the death of Pte Charlick. Seems like something suspicious
was going on - never seen this much interest in a death on board
before.
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16th October and we've just had a court martial held on board - no
idea if it's related to the death of Pte Charlick or not, it doesn't say
what it was for.
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Hi Cyzaki
Private John A. Charlick drowned in Bermuda Harbour.
The first court of Enquiry would have been testimony of anyone who might have knowledge of his actions, etc, etc.
The second would be unknown, but may have been a revisit of the first, if new information had been received or a decision made.
No
indication of his death being attributed to person or persons
unknown. There may have been rumblings it was not an accident as a
person action by Charlick himself.
His death was ruled
accidental. For further, these proceedings are sealed for 99
years, so we don't have long to wait to find out.
Keep up the great work Cyzaki!!
All best
don
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Thanks for the information!
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Not a burial at sea, but an indicator of one preceding.
HMS Moldavia - 15 April 1916 @ 17:00
"Effects of late T.Picton (stoker RFR) sold by auction, realizing [pounds, shillings, pence] 1.9.8"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49756/ADM%2053-49756-010_1.jpg
Also @ 13:00 "Signalman Garston RNVR discharged from cells."
Served his sentence?
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The interesting question is: what's an Army man doing on a Navy ship?
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I'd say being transported. Was this ship just stopping over, or was it based there?
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It's a training ship - been sitting in Bermuda for a good few months
now, going out on training runs letting sailors and such practice with
guns most days.
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Pte Charlick was in the Royal Marine Light Infantry, the forerunner
of the Royal Marines, so not a soldier. The RMLI records are kept at the
Fleet Air Arm Museum and for a small donation they will search them for
you for further information.
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Hello
The auction of personal effects is not particularly
proximate to the death. I had a Boy die in October and his effects
(and that of a deserter) sole the following spring.
I am not sure what the occassion that sets the date.
On the down side, I am unable to identify Picton in Adm records. Must check further.
All best
don
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Hello
The service record for John Axworthy Charlick, Plymouth
2974, is in the TNA index and is available for 3 pounds 50 on line. Or,
if you're in the neighbourhood, you can view it free at the TNA, in
Kew.
Missed your Soldier comment. I'll promise not to tell anyone else, if you do the same.
All best
don
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46298/ADM%2053-46298-005_0.jpg
1545 Departed this life from fracture of skull Commander John Mathias R.O.R.N.R.
No burial at sea presumably as they were only 2 days out from Liverpool. No further mention however.
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Hello
CDR Mathias was buried in Cheshire.
All best
don
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I remember him from my time aboard that ship - he got hit on the
head by a falling beam while dealing with a fire in the coal store, if I
remember correctly?
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Excuse the wording, but that is a hard way to go.
Immediately
pre war, from other logs, several men were killed in a battleship when
the coaling elevator collapsed and crushed them.
Keep up the Good
Work!! Over and beyond all the OW benefits, these notes give me a
chance to double check (and yes, on occasion, correct) entries.
All best
don
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He survived for a good few days as well, if my memory serves - I was
hoping he'd make it to Liverpool but he didn't quite manage to hang
on :(
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The Royal Marines was formed from both the Royal Marine Light
Infantry and the Royal Marine Artillery. The RMLI had a range of day to
day duties on board including guarding the ship whilst in port and
acting as the Captain's police to enforce discipline if necessary.
Larger groups might be embarked for specific landings as is the
traditional role of all Marines. My Great Grandfather spent most of WWI
as a RMLI reserve on board guard ships at the entrance to Chatham.
Badskittler
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Not buried at sea, but in dry dock in 1916, HMS Donegal lost 2
stokers on seperate days who fell from the ship into the dock. They were
Stokers McMann and Gill and a court of Inquiry was held on board into
the circumstances.
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Hello Dorbel
Thanks for that entry.
They fell on the same day, but one died instantly and the second lingered until the next day.
Keep up the good work.
don
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I too had a rating die and buried in Bombay and his effects were auctioned while at sea several weeks later.
Sorry I that was some time ago so I didnt know that we should record that sort of thing here.
Ship was HMS Odin, around Xmas 1915.
K
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HMS Virginian - 8 November 1915 @ 21:22
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67709/ADM%2053-67709-007_0.jpg
9:22 Body reported in dock alongside. Telephoned police, commenced grappling.
9:45 Body found to be T. Broome RMA. Artificial respiration tried until 11:15 pm
Life extinct.
HMS Virginian - 9 November 1915
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67709/ADM%2053-67709-007_1.jpg
01:00 Body of Gr. T. Broome left ship
10:00 Sent doctor PO 12 men left ship for inquest on Gr. T. Broome.
Gr = Gunner ?
PO = Party Of ?
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Hello
Many thanks. It is always good to see the note of death.
Gunner John Broome, not T. Broome, is shown as died of drowning.
"Life extinct" is a bit succinct, but does cover the meaning.
Sent
Doctor and PO 12 men left ship......While PO is usually Petty Officer,
in this time, it was the writer's personal shorthand for party of.
All best and keep up the good work.
don
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Gunner John Broome, not T. Broome, is shown as died of drowning.
Thanks. Fresh enough reply for me to return and correct the first initial.
Was he with HMS Virginian or another ship?
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Hello
Broome is shown as VIRGINIAN.
This was an all
too common scenario. Ship in port, man returning from liberty, man
slipped off gangway, or from the side of dock, etc., etc
The
party of 12 sent for the inquest would have consisted of the men who
bunked in his area, those last seeing him alive, and anyone have
anything else to offer.
All best and keep up the good work!
don
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On monitor M24 in Arkhangel on 2nd July 1919, AB (Able Seaman) AE
Child (or Childs as he is referred to later) was part of a bathing party
which left the ship and he drowned. His body was not recovered, despite
a grapnel party being sent away in a whaler to drag for the body.
Although
not being buried at sea, his death had implications for the crew, as on
4th July 1919, the Officer Commanding, Lt Cmdr Yorke and (presumably
the Executive Officer) Lt Stewart were discharged to HMS Cicala (the
flotilla leader) and a new Commanding Officer (Lt Cmdr Worsley) was
appointed.
Not too sure why the Senior Management would be held
responsible when there were other officers in charge of the bathing
party as I have yet to see any further information. It is possible they
were only relieved of their duties pending an investigation (and
possible Court Martial) and may return to service later. Be nice to know
the outcome!
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Hello
Archibald E. Child, official number J 31371, drowned 2 July 1919.
His body was later recovered and buried at the Archangel Allied Cemetery.
Would be interested in the change of command, if any further notes do appear.
Many thanks. Keep up the good work.
don
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Rather stark entry from the log of HMS Odin. 19/5/1916
"10.20 Departed this life.
James Davis Daniels. Sick Berth Attendant M3630. Age 23 3/12 Years.
Death accidental through overdose of self administered morphia.
11.5 Court of inquiry.
4.5 Stopped. Committed to the deep the remains of J. D. Daniels, SBA. Lat 20 30N 60 40E "
I also looked him up on the list of royal naval casualties and found the following.
DANIELS, James D, Sick Berth Attendant, M 3630 (Po), Odin, 19 May 1916, illness.
Interesting euphemisms!
RIP James.
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Thanks Don, just got to his funeral on 7th July. Doesn't say when
his body was recovered only that 'the hospital boat returned with the
body of Child AB in a coffin ready for interment.'
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Hello
Daniels' death is commemorated on the Portsmouth Memorial.
This
indicates his death was directly attributable to his service.
This raises some interesting questions. Call me in 2015 when
his Inquiry is made public.
All best and keep up the good work!
don
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Rather stark entry from the log of HMS Odin. 19/5/1916
Here's the log page:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53196/ADM%2053-53196-011_1.jpg
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37521/ADM53-37521-0083_1.jpg
John H. Fry J41347 is in the casualty list of october 15th 1917 having died of illness on board of H.M.S. Challenger but his body came from Neuralia.
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Hello H. Kohler
Thanks for Fry's death note.
He was in
NEURALIA with enteric fever since CHALLENGER did not have sufficient
facilites to care for him. Body was returned to CHALLENGER for
disposition.
All best
don
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John Hendry Fry was buried at sea Lat 8 59S Long 39 37E at about
5.15pm on 15/10/1917. The burial service was read andthis was recorded
in Challenger's log
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Thanks for the informations, I must have missed the day when he was transferred to Neuralia.
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From the HMS Donegal log page for 14/1/1917, patrolling out from Sierra Leone.
12.30 (PM) Died on board from asphyxia, as the result of an accidential slide of
coal whilst working in a bunker, ADAM BOYD, Sto. ON.K11204.
Lat 5 15S, Long 32 15W.
6.30 (PM) Stopped. Committed to ther deep the body of the late Adam Boyd, Sto.
Lat 5 03S, Long 33 06W.
6.45 (PM) Proc'd.
Rest in Peace, Adam Boyd.
Regards,
Bernie
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Many thanks bpd42!
All best and Merry Christmas
don
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Thank you & a merry Xmas to you too.
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Also from HMS "Donegal", 11th April 1917 at 0300:
No 34, John McGunners, Sto. of HMS "Carnarvon" departed this life in 33 54N, 64 11W.
At 1710, they committed his body to the deep in 36 9N, 63 55W.
Cause
of death was not given. Donegal took on an unspecified number of naval
and military ratings in Bermuda for passage to Halifax NS, including
four from the hospital, so it seems likely that he was already ill.
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Hi, another from the 'Donegal' - this time on route from Bermuda to Halifax, N.S on the 11th April 1917.
I
am afraid I can't copy the shortcut to the page, nor decipher the name
of the ship mentioned, in here, but the text reads as follows.
'3.00 John McGuinness, Sto of HMS ' departed this life, Lat 30 54N Log
Log 64 11W.
5.10 Stopped engines.Committed to the deep the body of the late John
McGuinness, Sto RNR 36 9N 63 55W'
Please note the first time given is AM and the second PM.
Rest in peace John McGuinness.
Regards,
Bernie
PS Please advise on copying page shortcuts.
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McGunners or McGuinness ? ; I have had another look at the page and couldn't
say.
This sounds pretty awful I know, but hopefully when they come to sell
his effects in a few days time the 'Donegal' guy with the good
handwriting will be on duty.
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Ah, McGuiness, hadn't thought of that although no dots above the
letters. Don will know, but "Carnarvon" seems probable, as she was on
that station at that time.
How nice that "committed to the deep" is still in use, so dignified.
Note that they only stopped the starboard engine for two minutes. No hanging about on this run.
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Good morning.
John P. McGuiness, Stoker, RNR, 2201 S. Shown in CARNARVON.
I've
never quite gotten a handle on the protocol for the sale of the man's
effects. A had a boy died in the Indian Ocean in NEWCASTLE and the
sale of his property (along with a deserter's) was almost six months
after the event.
All best to all. Great work, but don't eat too much Christmas bounty.
don
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Hi,
thanks for clearing that up; I have transcriped
the next ten days of the Donegal, and there has been no mention of an
effects sale.
They do seem to have treated this differently to the previous death on board
both in the recording of the individuals details and the length of time given over to the commitment.
Anyway hope the info' is of use to your records.
Best regards,
Bernie
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The hasty despatch of Stoker McGuiness into the deep may have had
less to do with a lack of respect for the worthy stoker and more to do
with the fact that it was blowing pretty hard and also that by now they
must be in submarine territory. Stokers more than any other hands would
appreciate the risks of stopping for a more considered ceremony.
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HMS Moldavia - 18 August 1916
Departed from this life about 16:00, Robert French, Petty Officer RFR ON 138240,
from haemorrhage following cancer of the stomach. Lat 56 26 N Long 11 27 W
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49760/ADM%2053-49760-012_0.jpg
HMS Moldavia - 19 August 1916
Stopped and committed to the deep the body of the late Robert French, Petty Officer
RFR ON 138240 (Lat 56 22 N Long 11 17 W). RIP
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49760/ADM%2053-49760-012_1.jpg
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Many thanks.
Robert French, Petty Officer 1c, RFR R 2332, O.N. 138240.
Born 23 February 1971 in Seaham Harbour, Durham.
Rest in Peace.
All best
don
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Hello
An addend to my last.
My wife asked why I thought it was an important to list the details I did on French.
I
just think it is important to us all to remember he was a person just
like us all, with values and faults, but a person who died for his
country.
All best
don
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It is important. I carefully transcribe every word of the log as
written without paraphrase for these occasions. These men were more than
their service number.
The bosun's mates pipe their calls, the body
of a man lashed into his hammock by his mess mates slides out from under
a Union Jack, the engines pick up again. Would that we might all move
on with such honour, little as it is.
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Robert French, Petty Officer 1c, RFR R 2332, O.N. 138240.
Born 23 February 1971 in Seaham Harbour, Durham.
1871, you mean?
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Hello Strangford
Yes. I do get in a rut with dates. He was born in 1871.
Thank you for catching that.
don
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HMS Sutlej 20 April 1916
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61851/ADM%2053-61851-013_0.jpg
Buried Sto P.O. Trahan (?)
Lat 24? 0' N Long 27? 30' W
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Hello
Stoker P.O. William A. Trahar, O.N. 226808. Died due to illness.
All best in the New Year. May the New Year be as productive for O.W. as the last three months of this year.
don
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Cook 1st class Porter, from HMS Challenger, died 6 June 1918 in RN
Hospital Simonstown. Buried next day, funeral party from ship
attended.
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Thank you Studentforever
Edwin Porter, official number 346292, was born 27 February 1885 in Mylor, Cornwall.
All best in the New Year. Keep up the Good Work!!
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48287/ADM%2053-48287-007_1.jpg
Body
of Signalman B O'Neill RNVR committed to the deep 9 May 1916 (HMS
Mantua). He had died the previous night from heart failure while
the Fleet Surgeon was operating for a gastric ulcer and peritonitis.
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HelloThursdaynext
Many thanks.
Bernard O'Neill, Signalman, RNVR, official number Clyde Z 5329.
Born 24 March 1894.
Keep up the good work!!
All best
don
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The position at the time of burial was taken: Lat. 57.09N Long. 11.38W
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HMS Torch had a death on Christmas Day, 1918
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63334/ADM%2053-63334-030_1.jpg).
A sailor fell overboard and drowned. There was no mention of his
funeral in the following week, so I assume his family took him home and
buried him privately.
AB F. Shearer R.I.P.
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Hello Janet Jaguar
Frederick Shearer, Able Seaman, O.N. J 30199 (Portsmouth). Born 5 July 1898. Place of birth not listed.
He was buried at St Andrews Western Cemetery.
He will be remembered.
All best
don
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-45613/ADM53-45613-117_1.jpg
Walter Henry Speed, Boatswain
RIP
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Hello Janet Jaguar
Departed this life 23. July 1915 Stoker Robert Dalzell R.N.R. aged 40. On board HMS Lancaster.
http://www.oldweather.org/classify?vessel_id=4caf87aacadfd3419701bfa0
Portanucis
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portanucis,
Your link put me on a to-be-edited page for 26th
July. The editing links sometimes do stay tied to the same
page. Could you please give us a link for the 'jpg' of the 23rd?
To create a link to the '.jpg' format of any log page:
Go to the log page, right click the image,
click Properties at the bottom of the box,
then copy the URL next to Address
and paste it into your post.
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Hello Robert Dalzell died due to self inflicted injury. I will spare our membership the details.
Buried at Gillingham (Woodlands).
All best
don
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-45613/ADM53-45613-185_0.jpg
Daniel Farrall, act. Chief ERA
died age 39 on 24th July 1918
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HMS Avoca at 48 21N 25 40W (at midday)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34573/ADM53-34573-013_0.jpg
1000 C. Carroll Fireman, died of pneumonia following Spanish influenza
1625 Stopped and committed the body of C.Carrol Fireman MMR to the deep
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On board the Arlanza, December 26, 1916, a death at sea:
Arthur
Townes, P.O. 1st Class Bourne in lieu of Ship's Corporal.
Po/135645, RFR No. A 3165, male age 45 9/12, nationality, British, of 15
Herbert Street, Mile End, Portsmouth, Cause of death: Heart failure.
On December 27:
7:30 Stopped and committed to the sea the body of the late P.O. 1st class Arthur Townes. Read funeral service. 7:45 Proceeded.
Location: (mid Atlantic) 20 26 n, 41 24 w
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HMS Andes, 14 June 1916
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1650 Held Burial Service over Body of the late W. Pargent Chief Baker
1658 Committed the Body of W. Pargent to the Deep. Lat 67 3N Long 19 37W
I may have missed the cause of death as my logs jumped from 11 June to 14 June.
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H.M.S. Challenger had her first casualty of the war on the 12th of
october 1914. It is Able Seaman J. Hernkin (if I can read correctly his
name). After some research I found out that he is not listed. He might
have died of illness as some tropical disease might have broken out on
board of H.M.S. Challenger.
Here are the pages where he is mentioned.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-37518/ADM%2053-37518-019_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-37518/ADM%2053-37518-019_1.jpg
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Not buried at sea, but this seems the best place to post this for the record:
On 13th December 1918, on board Rinaldo, at 8.50am W H Hills PO 1st class departed this life.
At
5.20pm on the same day - the earthly remains of W H Hills PO 1st class
interred in Saldanha Cemetery - this is in present day South Africa.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57918/ADM%2053-57918-010_0.jpg
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Not buried at sea, but died on board.
12th February 1917 on board HMS "Ophir", Gibraltar.
David Watkins Thomas, 34, British, donkeyman MM.
Found in after hold seriously injured and taken to Sick Bay, where life was found to be extinct. Cause, fractured skull.
I
think a donkeyman may have been skilled in the new fangled small diesel
and petrol engines that supplied auxiliary power in various places. MM
is probably not Military Medal, but Merchant Marine.
RIP
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On HMS Juno, 27th Feb 1917; Funeral of Chas J Gardiner AB RFR at Lat 28 55-45' N Long 56 56' E.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45478/ADM%2053-45478-016_1.jpg
Have
noticed some auction of personal effects previously, but this is first
funeral at sea. Other deaths may have occurred in hospital as many of
crew have been on sick list with a number of hospital cases. No details
on illnesses though.
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This is not a sea burial, but on 25th November1919
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63341/ADM%2053-63341-015_1.jpg)
HMS Torch landed a funeral party at Gibraltar. There was no prior
mention in the logs of anyone dying.
Is this kind of anonymity frequent? It leaves me strangely off-balance.
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I had one like that a long way back on Rinaldo; I wonder whether it
was someone from another ship who had died and they were simply joining
the funeral, hence no other record in the log?
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I too had similar occasions while HMS Odin (coincidentally a sister
ship of Rinaldo) was in Basra. There were several funerals around that
time as there were a series of engagements with the Turks, so several
days running funeral parties left the ship. There were no records of HMS
Odin crew even being injured.
K
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It's one of those times when I really wish the log-keepers would be more informative. :-\
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This
is not a sea burial, but on 25th November1919
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63341/ADM%2053-63341-015_1.jpg)
HMS Torch landed a funeral party at Gibraltar. There was no prior
mention in the logs of anyone dying.
Is this kind of anonymity frequent? It leaves me strangely off-balance.
I checked in the casualty list and I found that on the 24th Soanes William F. Stoker 1c 123994 from H.M.S. Cardiff died of illness. He is buried in the Gibraltar (North Front) Cemetery.
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h.kohler,
That means helenj was right - it was someone from
another ship. That must happen regularly in port, and explains the
regularity of these notes. Thank you.
Stoker 1c William F. Soanes R.I.P.
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Hi Janet Jaguar
Yes, it happens quite often. For example: The
last I have seen, unfortunately I do not remember exactly when, was
that a funeral party for a French officer was landed from HMS
Challenger.
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Found by szukacz:
Patrick Durkin Sto RNR ON 5177
HMS Diana
Died 5.45 pm, September 3, 1916
On patrol around Singapore.
Committed to the deep.
He is listed on naval-history.net as having died of illness. RIP
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-39822/ADM%2053-39822-004_1.jpg
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I came across the following on HMS Andes on 23rd/24th October 1918 for Private Reginald Francis Farley R.M.L.I.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33668/ADM53-33668-014_1.jpg
1545 Reginald Francis Farley PTE RMLI Departed this life age 19.5 years. Influenza & Pneumonia Lat 42 26N Long 55 5W
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33668/ADM53-33668-015_0.jpg
1600 Colours Half Mast
1640 Committed the Body of Reginald Francis Farley Pte RMLI to the Deep with C of E Rites Lat 43 35N 48 27W
0500 Hauled Colours down
Andes had been in New York and had recently left for Liverpool. He was the only death until the end of October in that outbreak.
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Reginald Francis Farley R.I.P.
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Where do you look for casualty lists?
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OW's own NAVAL-HISTORY.NET
(http://www.naval-history.net/index.htm) by our own Don Kindall and
Gordon Smith. Superb stuff of all kinds, including background
about on-ship life and a listing of all of our logs with pictures of the
ships.
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Not a burial, just an unfortunate death.
Torch had a tragedy this week - a rating was accidentally shot to death on board.
J. (Guiseppe) Tabone, Officer's Steward 2nd Class, L 5320, was buried in Constantinople.
R.I.P.
23 Mar 1920 http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63342/ADM%2053-63342-014_1.jpg
24 Mar 1920 http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63342/ADM%2053-63342-015_0.jpg
26 Mar 1920 http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63342/ADM%2053-63342-016_0.jpg
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3 burials, 3 injured when a shell prematurely exploded on the Arlanza just out of New York harbor, July 23, 1918:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34147/ADM53-34147-014_1.jpg
So far, the dead are: Archibald McLachlan, Trimmer; John Herbert Gregory, and Edward Curtis, Boy 1st Class.
Committed to the deep at Lat. 39 43n, Long. 66 30w
May they rest in peace.
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Archibald McLachlan, John Herbert Gregory, and Edward Curtis, R.I.P.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-40003/ADM%2053-40003-017_1.jpg
Good afternoon,
the link above should take you to the log page of HMS
Donegal for
June 29th 1918.This records the death and burial at sea of Ldg Sto Albert Horton,
O.N.
231477.The cause of death is given as a cerebral haemorrage.The burial
location is given as 39 26N, 53 21W, the ship being on route to Bermuda
from Liverpool.
May he rest in peace.
Regards,
Bernie
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There was an additional death on the Arlanza, in consequence of the explosion on July 23, 1918 outside New York harbor:
Hobert M. Leonard, Private No. 2,900,249 Field Artillery, United States Army
Died July 25th, 1918, committed to the deep on the same date at lat. 39 52n, long. 53 1w
May he rest in peace.
The Arlanza was carrying US troops to Europe.
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On the Arlanza,
September 25, 1918:
Riley Mott, Private, 201415403
Wm. King, Pte, 103658166
Jerry Warren* Pte. 3658297, all of U.S. Army Lat. 52 50N, Long. 29 30W
September 26, 1918:
L. Ryan Dennis, pte 1410768, U.S. Army, Lat. 54 30N, Long. 23 36W
Matt. A. Jironisek, Sgt. 1411258, U.S. Army, Lat. 54 50N, Long. 21 20W
September 27, 1918:
Rg. Heather, greaser, MMR No. 679243 Lat. 54 30N, long. 15 19W
Cause of death for all is pneumonia, which I presume was from Spanish flu.
On
Sept. 29, 4 corpses were landed at Liverpool for burial, and numerous
others discharged to to various hospitals, including Lieut. Dallas,
mentioned elsewhere in these logs. He apparently passed away
shortly thereafter.
Private Warren's entry is a bit ambiguous, as
he was also mentioned in the log as having died the day after he was
apparently buried at sea. Since the latter entry is crossed out,
I've assumed there was more than a little confusion on ship, and that he
was actually buried at sea as originally described. On several, days,
the number of sick is written as "unobtainable", although in all cases a
number is finally entered. During this time, the log begins to be
written by a different hand.
Arlanza was transporting over 600 US officers & troops.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34149/ADM53-34149-015_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34149/ADM53-34149-016_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34149/ADM53-34149-016_1.jpg
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SS Avoca 23-Oct-1916
During the night 22-23 Alfred George
Greenham, Petty Officer 1st Class Official No. 133910 age 46 (July 28th
1916) departed this life & was found dead in his cabin at 9am on
this day. A Post Mortem was held & death certified as Cancer of the
pancreas.
1530 Committed the body of Petty Officer Greenham to the deep in Lat 23 5.5S Long 70 42W
24-Oct-1916
1700 Effects of late Petty Officer Greenham sold by auction
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Intrigued by the entry that his effects were sold at auction.
Why did they not return them to his next of kin? Or is it safe to
assume that he had none?
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They tended to sell the effects and then send the money back to next
of kin. Someone on here said that often the dead man's friends would
pay over the odds for items so that the man's family would recieve more
money.
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That's pretty much my understanding, too. Although many died
on the Arlanza, the only mention of effects was in reference to those of
an officer. His effects were "landed" on the day of his
funeral.
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It is not a burial at sea but I found it strange.
A field gun
carriage is being prepared for funeral and then a funeral party is
landed but no mention of who died. I also checked the casualty list but
could not make out who died.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37519/ADM%2053-37519-068_1.jpg
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How odd, as a field gun carriage would not normally be of any use on a ship.
Of
course the deceased doesnt have to be from the ship. It could be a
member of the colonial office or another important local dignitary and
your crew have just been dragged in to help.
HTH
K
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Caissons - the back half of a gun carriage designed to carry the
gun's ammunition smoothly and be easy to load and unload - were and
still are a standard part of American military funerals. They are
still used for anyone buried at Arlington Cemetary
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_carriage#Caissons_in_American_and_British_culture),
and the whole country sees it when we bury a president - because he is
the C-in-C of our military.
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Not a burial at sea but another death of a seaman.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77067/ADM%2053-77067-0012_0.jpg
Death occurred of AB William Victor Merefield. O.N. 226574 at Agency Hospital, Maskat (Muscat) from Heat Apoplexy.
It has been over 100 F each day since arrival.
And on the following day.
Landed Funeral party & firing party for funeral of AB Merefield in British Cemetary
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77067/ADM%2053-77067-0014_1.jpg
RIP AB Merefield.
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Logs for the Merlin, 9 Dec 1913, just landed a funeral party, but gave no name of the individual who died.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49084/ADM%2053-49084-023_0.jpg
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That seems to be standard logging when the deceased belonged to another ship.
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On HMS Arlanza, May 25, 1915
Committed to the deep the body of Alrenda Stanton, Stoker, Lat.63 58n Long. 13 48w
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This is from Don Kindell's lists (http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1003-Intro.htm#1914):
Arlanza, armed merchant cruiser
STANTON, Alexander, Greaser, MMR, 681667, illness
May he Rest In Peace.
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On 22nd April 1916, on Rinaldo, on its way to Simonstown from Doula:
1.00 Alfred Williams, Boy, O.N. J30129 fell from aloft.
1.10 Alfred Williams, Boy, O.N. J30129 died from injuries received.
Later that afternoon: Remains of the late Alfred Williams, Boy, committed to the deep.
A tragic end to a short life. May he rest in peace.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57886/ADM%2053-57886-015_0.jpg
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Hi,
from the Donegal log page for 29th July 1918, whilst at dry-dock in Bermuda,
'A. Gilbert, Stoker, ON 105353, drowned whilst bathing'
He was buried the next day at the Ireland Is' Cemetary.
RIP Stoker Gilbert,
Regards,
Bernie
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19th September, 1918, at Fort Shafter military hospital, Honolulu.
Eng. Sub-Lt J Gemmell, HMS "Ophir", died at 5 a.m. from pneumonia and
was buried in the afternoon.
RIP
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HMS Avoca, 17-Nov-1918
45 21N 39 55W
1300 David Watt (Seaman RNR) died of pneumonia following Spanish influenza
1610 Reduced speed & committed the body of Seaman Watt RNR to the deep
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HMS Avoca, 17-Nov-1918
45 21N 39 55W
1300 David Watt (Seaman RNR) died of pneumonia following Spanish influenza
1610 Reduced speed & committed the body of Seaman Watt RNR to the deep
"Reduced speed..."
Are there guidelines for how slow or fast a ship should go when committing a sailor's body to the sea?
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not to be yucky about it, but maybe they slowed so there would be less propeller churning in the water -
yours -
Kathy W.
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Think slowing is more of a courtesy, in respect of the dead.
They are always weighted to take them straight down and avoid
unfortunate encounters with propellors.
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oh good -
yours -
Kathy W.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-40006/ADM%2053-40006-006_0.jpg
HMS
Donegal, 6th September, 1918, Bermuda. A funeral party is landed to
intern the body of the late C.E.R.A Dymond,RN, in the Wesleyan Cemetary
on Ireland Island.His body was discovered near Walford Bridge, Somerset
Island the previous day.
May he rest in peace.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-40006/ADM%2053-40006-009_0.jpg
Further to that, a Court of Enquary was held into the death on the 12th Sept' 1918.
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HMS Warrior 16th September 1918
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68178/ADM%2053-68178-011_0.jpg
1330
Death took place in US Naval Hospital Washington DC of:- Harold Gurney
Davis, Male, Age 31, 2nd Eng'r RNR, English, of Eddington, St Helens I.
of W, from Trombosis of Mesentary Vein
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The HMS Capetown log for 12 Aug. 1922, at Fourteau Bay, records
landing a party to attend the funerals of the stokers killed when their
ship, the HMS Raleigh, ran aground:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-72547/ADM%2053-72547-067_1.jpg
Naval History lists the men killed:
BASHFORD, Herbert, Stoker 1c, SS 123275, died
EFFARD, Edward P, Stoker Petty Officer, 303078, died
FIELD, Silas, Stoker 1c, K 59500, died
FISHER, George, Stoker 1c, SS 120369, died
LLOYD, John E, Stoker Petty Officer, 306551, died
PETTET, Pat, Able Seaman, J 42323, died
SOWDEN, William J, Leading Stoker, K 20564, died
THORNHILL, George M, Stoker 1c, SS 122759, died
TRIPP, Sydney G, Leading Stoker, K 14053, died
TYLER, Reuben, Leading Stoker, K 18030, died
WEAVER, James, Able Seaman, 213937, died
WHITTON, William R, Able Seaman, J 34371, died
RIP
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A true tragedy. May they R.I.P.
It's very rare to have a photo of the actual event mentioned in our logs, again from Naval-History.net:
(http://www.naval-history.net/PhotoWW1-05csRaleigh3NickCarter.JPG)
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That's very sad, but it's actually very good to be able to see
this. All we could do is imagine it, normally. It's hard to
look away from that picture.
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Death by drowning returning from liberty
6 August 1916, Manica, Hugh Patrick Foy
Three
days previously Manica's balloon and seaplane seem to have been used
for spotting after the bombardment of Bagamoyo. The death was not
connected unless the libertymen had been letting off steam.
Another Liverpudlian died in the service of his country, RIP
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Death of Chinese Stoker "by accident" reported on "Woodlark" 29 September, 1919.
No further action appears to have been taken until a Court of Enquiry held 2 October aboard HMS Gnat.
The next log entry is "Payment of Settlement", would this have represented some form of compensation?
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HMS Warrior 19th Sept 1918
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68178/ADM%2053-68178-012_1.jpg
1400 Funeral Party landed for burial of HG Davis 2nd Eng RNR at Arlington Cemetery
Not a burial at sea obviously but I thought it rather interesting with him being buried at Arlington Cemetery maybe?
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It seems there are 62 foreign nationals buried at Arlington. H.G. Davis is one of them:
http://www.arlingtoncemetery.mil/historical_information/foreign_nationals.html
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Not a death at sea but a sad death nevertheless.
From HMS Espiegle Log 25/6/1922. Just arrived off Basra after 2 days at sea.
"Death
occured at British Military Hospital of Ldg Stoker Arthur John Ford.
O.N. K.973 from Malignant Malaria. Age. 32 Years. 8 months".
Noon temperatures for the last 3 days have been over 105, peaking at 110F. I doubt if that helped, particularly for a stoker.
And on the following day
"Funeral took place of late leading stoker Arthur Ford in British War Cemetary, Makina"
RIP Arthur Ford.
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On the 10th March 1914
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63328/ADM%2053-63328-007_0.jpg)
at Sidney Australia, HMS Torch (old sloop) logged "Marine at S.A.
died." There was no name, and they left port on the 13th with no
mention of a funeral.
May he R.I.P.
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Hms "Donegal", 29th June 1918.
At 4-15 pm. Performed burial
service, stopped and committed to the deep the body of the late Albert
Horton, Ldg Sto. in 39 26N, 53 21W. Proceeded.
Leading Stoker Horton, ON 231477, died at 1-15am of a cerebral haemorrhage.
RIP.
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Reported by Geoff.
naval-history.net gives illness as cause of death.
A death at sea. A stoker, John James Davy/Day, died and was consigned to the deep. No mention of cause of death.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-60720/ADM%2053-60720-076_0.jpg
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Reported by Geoff.
naval-history.net gives illness as cause of death.
A death at sea. A stoker, John James Davy/Day, died and was consigned to the deep. No mention of cause of death.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-60720/ADM%2053-60720-076_0.jpg
On Naval-History.net:
Southampton, 2nd class cruiser
DAY, James J, Stoker 1c, K 43638 (Po), illness
Lat. 4o23'N 30o85W
R.I.P.
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HMS "Donegal", in floating dry dock, Bermuda, 29th July, 1918.
A Gilbert, sto. ON 105353, drowned while bathing.
A
court of enquiry was held on board on the 31st July. It seems likely
that Stoker Gilbert was interred on Bermuda on the 30th, but I haven't
seen that page.
RIP
Looking back I see that Bernie already noted this and that he was indeed buried on 30th July in the Ireland Is Cemetery.
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HMS Gnat
7th July 1922 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-78077/ADM%2053-78077-0021_1.jpg)
The Body of Lt Sto Albert H. Knight late of HMS Foxglove received from the river
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Isn't it "....recovered from the river"?
Hope this helps
K
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Oops, yes ofcourse.
There was a landing party to attend the funeral the day after.
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HMS Donegal, 15th October, 1918, on route from Quebec to the UK;
5.30am Alfred Albert Chown, AB, No' on ships book 154, departed this life.
1.30pm Stopped & committed to the deep the body of the late Alfred Albert Chown.
Lat 51N, Long 19 25W.
Rest in peace.
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From naval-history.net:
Donegal, cruiser
CHOWN, Albert A, Able Seaman, 208892 (Ch), illness
Rest in Peace
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Please verify the names of the seaman
Felix Tremeer (Iremeer)
Sto. P.O. R.F.R. Off No D 159 519
died of influenza
to the deep
possition: 19 53 N, 59 30E
data:2 Nov 1918
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-39846/ADM%2053-39846-004_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-39846/ADM%2053-39846-004_0.jpg)
RIP
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From the following website.
http://www.royalnavy-history.net/xDKCas1918-11Nov.htm
Diana, old light cruiser
TREMEER, Felix, Stoker Petty Officer (RFA A 3766), 159519 (Dev), illness
Hope this helps
K
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This should be posted in "letters" but the fate of Samuel Herbert Lang P.O.2 Cl. R.F.R must be known here.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37519/ADM%2053-37519-155_0.jpg
Location: Ras Serani Lt.Ho. Bearing N13?W 6 1/2', ship turned to E.S.E.
Rest In Peace Samuel Herbert Lang.
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This should be posted in "letters" but the fate of Samuel Herbert Lang P.O.2 Cl. R.F.R must be known here.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37519/ADM%2053-37519-155_0.jpg
Location: Ras Serani Lt.Ho. Bearing N13?W 6 1/2', ship turned to E.S.E.
Rest In Peace Samuel Herbert Lang.
I'll copy it there so that people searching either thread will find it.
Samuel Herbert Lang, R.I.P.
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Arlanza, January 25, 1917,
Departed this life Alfred Robert
Ashby, No745,222. Male. Age 29. Rank, Fireman (Mercantile Marine
Rating), British of 129 Argyle R'd Custom House, London. Cause of
Death, Pneumonia.
Stopped & committed to the sea the body of the late Fireman A. Ashby. Read Funeral service. Lat. 30 43n long. 39 39.5w
Sold at the mast the effects of the late Alfred Robert Ashby, who died on board at 3:41 this day.
[May he rest in peace.]
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34129/ADM53-34129-012_1.jpg
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That is the first one I know of where his effects were sold off the same day.
A little harsh?
K
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From the Lama, October 17, 1915. Link: http://www.oldweather.org/classify/edit/4d5f43858b34f908ab000009
"Committed
the body of John James Corbett AB (N.C.S.) killed in action to the deep
Lat 12.39 N Long 43.10 E". The same page also has details about the
captain of the ship "giving an ultimatum to a local sheik", after which
the ship fired 44 rounds and destroyed the enemy camp on shore.
The
previous day's entry, October 16, 1915, has details about the
battle. A little difficult to read, but said something about being
on a boat going ashore and being fired upon, killing Corbett and
wounding another man.
Here is that link: http://www.oldweather.org/classify/edit/4d5f3e808b34f906a8000093
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John James Corbett, R.I.P.
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That is the first one I know of where his effects were sold off the same day.
A little harsh?
K
We've
been told by sailors here that the effects were sold in auction to his
crewmates, ordinary things like clothes, usually at inflated prices so
that the money could be sent back to the family. Maybe there was a
means to send it quickly so they rushed it a bit?
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That is the first one I know of where his effects were sold off the same day.
A little harsh?
K
We've
been told by sailors here that the effects were sold in auction to his
crewmates, ordinary things like clothes, usually at inflated prices so
that the money could be sent back to the family. Maybe there was a
means to send it quickly so they rushed it a bit?
The
ship was at sea, on patrol, so no foreseeable means of getting it
home quickly. Maybe they were just kind of attaching it it to the
funeral service. Maybe more money would be raised that way.
No idea, really.
- Kathy
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I wrote to a gentlemen at naval-history.net and he said that the
name was actually "Corlett", not "Corbett". That old handwriting
is difficult to read sometimes...
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HMS Torch I participated in a native rebellion on the Islet of Wala,
Vanuatu, in which several Native Police were killed. Their head
constable was named and honored, but the others were not mentioned in
the logs. And while their deaths were noted in the Australian
press, no names were given there. My write up on the incident is at this post
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1206.msg12999;topicseen#msg12999),
and the newspaper article links are in the following posts. Any
deaths among the rebels are not mentioned anywhere.
May they all Rest In Peace.
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9th Sept. 1914
8.15 pm Michael Driscoll AB RNR aged 49 died of Ruptured Anuerism
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-40808/0016_1.jpg
10th Sept. 1914
11.15 am stopped engines to bury the body of AB Driscoll
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-40808/0017_0.jpg
RIP
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37167/0123_0.jpg
RIP Peter Donnelly.
I
don't think he was buried at sea, however - the ship was in Halifax and
the next day a funeral party was landed (and a court of inquiry was
opened).
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37167/0124_0.jpg
"warrant
officer Donnelly left ship" - is this the body being sent ashore, or
just someone else with the same name, do we think? Maybe the earlier
funeral was someone else's?
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http://www.oldweather.org/classify/edit/4d690826cb20230d09000014
This is more of a question than anything else.
HMS
Donegal on the 12th June 1915, has an unusual entry in her log book,
'3.55 Colours half-mast & hoisted at 4.10'., which I had never seen
before. The ship is on manoevures with the 7th CS, or Convoy Squardian,
out
of Cromarty on the east coast of Scotland. It eventually occured to me that they may have observing a period
of respect, or solidarity, whilst a funeral was conducted on one of the other ships in the group. Is that what this
represents
or have I got this totally wrong.Like I said, this is the first
reference I've come across to 'colours half -mast' and I am presuming
'half-mast' had the same meaning then as today.
Regards,
Bernie
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I have seen that in the logs of the Foxglove - they would half mast
everything because of a funeral elsewhere...sometimes a funeral party
from the Foxglove would go to another ship or on shore to attend
one. My guess is that places like Hong Kong (where the Foxglove
spends a lot of time) become like small towns - everybody knows
everybody else and that is why they would go to funerals ashore or on
other ships.
yours -
Kathy W.
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I would like to be certain that it was a burial being observed as it may be possable to identify the persom concerned.
Navel-history.net
lists eight deaths in total for the June 12th, 1915.Four of
those were for the Gallipoli campagn and one at the navel barracks in
Devonport.The remaining three are listed, one each, under HMS Espiegle,
HMS Hercules and HMS Usk.
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Hi bpb42
The man who is honored by your ship was Steward John
Georges, Stoker from H.M.S. Hercules. He died 12th June 1915 of
illness. His name is written on the Chatham Naval Memorial.
Hammet W from Espiegle is buried in Basra, and Morgan F. from Usk in Malta.
May all those men rest in peace.
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Hi,
thank you very much.
As you said, may all those men rest in peace.
Bernie
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Burial on Land, at Aukland, NZ, on 25th August 1914 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63330/ADM%2053-63330-068_0.jpg):
- log transcript: "Landed escort and mourners for funeral of G. Bain 1st St."
- Naval-History.net: BAIN, George, Leading Stoker, 277245, Torch, 22 August 1914, illness in New Zealand
- NZ
Roll of Honor:BAIN, George, Leading Stoker, 277245, Royal Navy, H.M.S.
"Torch.", Died 22nd August 1914, Son of Mr. and Mrs. George Bain, of 11,
Craigbank Cottages, Liberton, Edinburgh, Scotland., Memorial Reference:
Pbyn. Block E, Row 7, Grave 28.
Rest In Peace, George Bain.
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Presumed drowning by falling into basin from jetty outside dock John
J Lineham Sto. 1, O.N. K 20284. Especially tragic as they had all
just survived a very severe hurricane - winds up to force 12.
His body was recovered the following day by divers.
May he rest in peace
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-72547/ADM%2053-72547-087_1.jpg
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Lost Overboard from "Victorian"
"Man overboard, fell from Std
No 3 gun, stopped engines and reversed, lowered away both seaboats and
three after boats. Boats returned, man not recovered, deceased was
H.R. Horscroft, A.B., R.N.R. age 41 years (position Lat 28 09n, Long 15
21.5w)"
LGB
Later the same day
"Captain held Funeral Service over the place where H Horscroft was drowned."
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So sad, the story of H. R. Horscroft, A.B., R.N.R., age 41.
I had heard somewhere that many sailors in bygone days did not know how to swim.
Could that still have been the case? Did the Royal Navy make sure sailors could swim?
Carolyn
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I see a lot of 'non swimmers to instruction' - obviously there were still a lot of men in the Navy who couldn't swim.
Even
if you can swim, the circumstances under which you are likely to fall
overboard (bad weather etc, I would imagine) would make swimming pretty
difficult.
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Swimming Lessons
I can't remember which ship, but I have seen log entries for "swimming classes", if I see any more references I will post one.
I
have doubts that anyone other than a very lucky and strong swimmer
would survive a fall into the sea from a moving vessel because of the
turbulence which the ship would generate.
LGB
All things come to he who waits
From log of "Roxburgh", Bermuda, 24 November 1916
"Landed non-swimmers for instruction"
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Aboard Yarmouth, 23 August 1919.
7.43 Man overboard.
Stopped - turned ship - lowered 1st and 2nd Cutters and burnt
searchlights. Co and speed as reqd - cruising near lifebuoy.
Lat 0-58 N, Long 45-45 W
8.35 Hoisted boats.
8.55 Extinguished searchlights - man not saved. Ord Seaman Henry Ashdown O.N. J92539
8.55 Resumed course 303 deg - 200 Revs.
9.5 Streamed Pat Log
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Lonely, horrible death.
RIP Henry Ashdown.
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Lost from Victorian 16 June, 1915
Lost overboard and
presumably drowned P.O. 1cl K Butteris. O.N. Devonport in Lat 54
06n Long 4 56w. R.F.R. A292 O.N 106788 age 51 11/12 years
Log records search lasting 20 minutes
LGB
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From Naval-History.net:
Victorian, armed merchant cruiser
BUTTERIS, William, Petty Officer 1c, 106788, drowned
Rest In Peace
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Swimming lessons
Not lessons, but evidence from "Cairo" at Wei hai Wei July 1920
LGB
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Not a burial at sea, but lost overboard with no known grave. "
Leading Seaman V.J.Hawkins DSM lost overboad while coaling packet
boat."
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67607/ADM%2053-67607-066_1.jpg
His ship was in Rosyth at the time and I saw no futher mention of him
in the logs. I searched on http://www.memorials.inportsmouth.co.uk
for V.J.Hawkins and found him, this memorial contains only names of
those lost at sea and who have no known grave.
HAWKINS VEINES JAMES D S M
J/13592. HMS Vindictive.. Royal Navy. Accidentally drowned 2nd May
1919. Age 25. Son of Mr. and Mrs. V. F. Hawkins .
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VEINES JAMES HAWKINS, Rest In Peace
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H.M.S. Challenger 4th June 1916 from Dar es Salaam to Kilindini.
10.0 P.O. 2nd Class Henry Stevens O.N. 145138 died.
5th June
6.45 Stopped & as req. for Burial Service
7.0 Committed to the deep thebody of the late P.O. 2nd Class Henry Stevens O.N. 145138
Lat. 4? 6' S Long. 39? 44' E
Rest In Peace Petty Officer Henry Stevens
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Again not a burial at sea but HMS Odin lost Private Whitehead RMLI
due to illness while at Bombay. 1st February 1914. He was in Colaba
Hospital.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53180/ADM%2053-53180-177_1.jpg
and from the following day:
"Funeral party proceeded with the body of Private Whitehead to Sewri cemetery to be buried there."
From the RN Casualty List.
WHITEHEAD, John, Private, RMLI, 15170 (Po), Odin, 1 February 1915, illness.
RIP John Whitehead
K
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Posted by Geoff in The Logs.
From the Dwarf, 26 December 1914.
The handwriting is difficult but it seems to say:
"Departed this life "Small Joe" off. Slerd [?]. II." (See attachment)
Later they consigned the body to the sea.
Found an answer on Naval History.net
"JOE,
(locally enlisted, not known if first name or surname), Officer's
Steward 2c, MMR, (no service number listed), died in India"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-40444/ADM53-40444-095_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-40444/ADM53-40444-095_0.jpg)
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I tend to think we go overboard (sorry) with health and safety, and
used to think the same for wearing life-jackets on board large ships -
yachts and dinghies are another thing, but when you see how many men
were drowned in the Royal Navy, I now see why. If you look at the RN
casualty lists 140 drowned in 1919, 60 in 1920 etc. they're quite
horrific - you can see these years starting at
http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1919a.htm
Gordon
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From the log of HMS Macedonia, burial at sea of prisoner, 29 December 1914:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47693/ADM%2053-47693-017_1.jpg
At
9.30 "Committed the body of German prisoner Fritz Lange late stoker S/S
Santa Isabel to the deep. Captain Evans conducting funeral service,
ships company & prisoners attending."
They have not given their position at the time, the nearest would be the 8am position: 2 6 N, 25 19 W
(I should also add that no cause of death was given - the previous day's log recorded only that he had died.)
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Not a burial, at sea, in fact not a burial at all. Just a note in Clio's log from the 12th October 1915
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38069/ADM53-38069-083_0.jpg
"7.45pm
Lost one Seedie boy out of boat." Then in another hand "(Drowned)
while securing boat at Headquarters Pier he fell overboard and was not
seen again."
Clio is in the Shatt al Arab at Basra. No indication
of the boy's name or anything else. There may be something in
subsequent logs but I doubt it. No memorial, nothing.
RIP Unknown Crew Member.
K
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This is in Naval-History.net (http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1915-10Oct.htm):
Tuesday, 12 October 1915
Clio, sloop
ABDULLAH, Bin S, Seedie Boy, (no service number listed), illness
Rest in Peace, Bin S. Abdullah.
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Thank you so much for finding that Janet.
I sort of assumed he wouldnt be in there, so didnt bother looking. Very lazy of me.
It is really good to know his name and that he got a similar mention to a British Serviceman.
How
strange that his cause of death is listed as Illness. This certainly
doesnt seem to be suicide like some others may have been.
As you say. RIP Bin S. Abdullah.
K
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And another death.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53201/ADM%2053-53201-009_1.jpg
From the log of HMS Odin, at Basra in 1916.
5.55.
William Arthur Morrisson, Able Seaman, age 19 fell from cutters davits,
striking his head on Steam Cutter. Death due to fracture of both
frontal bones. Body recovered two days later.
And from the Naval Lists:
Odin, sloop
MORRISON, William A, Able Seaman, J 24717 (Po). No cause of death given.
RIP William Arthur Morrisson.
K
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-39993/0055_1.jpg
Not a burial at sea but rather an accident on land; HMS Donegal, at dry dock in Liverpool on
August 31st 1916, records
'Accidentally killed by falling into the dock from the Upper Deck,
John McMann, Sto' ON359925.'
I've checked the spelling of the surname with the Naval-History list, which incidentally
cites 'illness' as the cause of death.
Rest in Peace John McMann.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-39993/0058_1.jpg
And the next day, September 1st 1916, again HMS 'Donegal' still in dry-dock at Liverpool.
10 PM 'Accidentally killed by falling into a dock, Albert Gill, Sto ON288509'
The log page records the body being removed to a mortuary but no-other details.
Rest in Peace Albert Gill.
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Funeral of Stoker F.C. Holmes who drowned by accident in Colombo harbour.
Naval-History.net has this:
Clio, sloop
HOLMES, Frederick C, Stoker 1c, K 11345, drowned, buried at Colombo
RIP, Frederick Holmes
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Charles Scott, Stoker 1st class O.N. K15386, died at Station
Hospital, Colaba, from malaria, aged 30 years. He was buried later
the same day. This is from Espiegle in Bombay, being prepared for
sale.
May he rest in peace.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-77067/ADM%2053-77067-0181_1.jpg
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That's 2 hard things on the same day.
Rest In Peace, Charles Scott.
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I was secretly hoping that I wouldn't have to post on this thread.:(
Private
John Hughes RMLJ RFR Age 30 years 9 mths and 7 days, Last place
of Abode Beacons Pt Birkdale, Southport, Off N0 12090. H.Comp. Plymouth
Depot died on board of Heat Apoplexy.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61873/ADM%2053-61873-018_1.jpg
The
list on the Naval History website only says 'illness'. On the previous
days, temperatures had risen to above 100, though, so in a way it's
surprising that he was the only one to drop dead from heat...
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I've heard say that death from heat stroke is much more common than
freezing to death, we just don't seem to be as careful about it as we
are of freezing - though that attitude alone may be the direct cause of
the imbalance. I do know, my shivering and skin pain on -0F days
alert me to a dangerously cold state in ways that never show up when I
slide from hot to miserable in 100F summers, with very few new alarming
symptoms.
Rest In Peace, John Hughes.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47699/ADM%2053-47699-013_0.jpg
Committed the body of the late John Pritchard to the deep 35 27 S, 55 38 W
His death was not separately recorded in the logs, and the Naval History website gives the cause of death as illness.
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Common heat exhaustion symptoms: heavy sweating, paleness,
muscle cramps, tiredness, weakness, dizziness, nausea or vomiting,
fainting; pulse, fast & weak; breathing: fast and shallow; skin:
cool and moist.
Effective treatment measures include water
(or other non-alcoholic beverages), preferably at room temperature, or
cool, but not cold; rest, tepid/cool shower, bath or sponge bath; air
conditioning, and lightweight clothing.
If not treated,
leads to heat stroke. Medical attention should be sought if
initial symptoms persist or worsen or person also has heart
condition/high blood pressure.
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I - and most people who live in an area with high summer temps - are aware. The internal problem is that there is no sudden
changes or additions - I've been there a couple of times at work,
because the ovens in the building with my lab created work locations
that measured more than 120F, which is seriously dangerous. (And yes,
the building had good ventilation including large skylights we always
opened on hot days.) We all watched for each other when faces
changed color, but both times others called out worry for me and sent me
into an air conditioned office to cool, the escalation of symptoms had
been so gradual, I didn't notice the crossover from uncomfortable to
dangerous. And that was also true of others I noticed and spoke
to.
I'm glad there was a true community among the workforce, we did take care of each other.
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Well, I suppose part of the problem here may have been that poor
John Hughes just had nowhere to go, really. There had been a three-day
heat wave (even the water temperatures were around 100 F), so the entire
ship would have been baking hot, with no slightly cooler or better
ventilated space on board to retire to. Plus he seems to have had his
heat stroke at night, so there probably weren't many people around to
notice - and even if they had noticed what was wrong with him, they
wouldn't have been able to do much except give him some (warm) water,
but clearly that wasn't sufficient.:(
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Merlin's log, 27 March 1919: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49093/ADM%2053-49093-016_1.jpg
Not a burial at sea, but the first death that I have seen recorded in Merlin's logs:
2 a.m.: "One Somali Boy died on board."
"7.30. Landed Somali Boys funeral party with corpse."
May you rest in peace, young man.
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Burial on land at Venice, but with some interesting
background. HMS Torch sent a funeral party to honor SPO Walters
ON-K.30 of HMS "Cardiff" on 5th July 1919
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63338/ADM%2053-63338-020_1.jpg),
and they had drilled a firing party for the funeral on the 4th
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63338/ADM%2053-63338-020_0.jpg).
He was much cared for. He was respected, because this was part of
the log:
9.0 Landed funeral party & mourners for burial of the late SPO Walters O.N. - K.30 - of HMS "Cardiff.
10.0 Half masted colours.
11.0 Rehoisted colours.
12. Funeral party returned.
But
he had been apparently "loaned" to the Cardiff, because all records -
and his gravestone! - list him as being crew to the "Egmont".
Naval-History.net and CWGC list him as:
Thursday, 3 July 1919: Egmont, Malta
WALTERS, Harold G, Stoker Petty Officer, K 30, illness
Son of Mr. and Mrs. George Walters, of 3, Marmion Rd., Henley-on-Thames, Oxon;
husband of Georgina Walters, of 3, Wheatfield Rd., Edinburgh.
VENICE (SAN MICHELE) CEMETERY
And I googled a blog (http://www.worldnavalships.com/forums/newreply.php?do=postreply&t=6360) that confirmed he was buried in Venice.
"I
discovered this site after a visit to my local cemetery where I came
upon the graves of several British sailors. at least one of which had a
stone 'erected by his shipmates'. Some of the graves appeared to be War
Graves as they had been carefully looked after. Although English, I live
and work in Venice and found the graves whilst paying an afternoon
visit to the cemetery island of San Michele. My interest in naval ships
is mainly confined to the age of sail, but when I come across something
like this my interest is piqued. The stone of one sailor reads:
H.G. Walters Stoker Petty Officer RN K/30 H.M.S. Egmont 3rd July 1919
I
know that years ago the Mediterranean was considered to be a 'British
lake' but if anyone has any information about this particular ship or
could point me in the right direction to pursue my search I would be
grateful. Tanti auguri Anselm"
Added 4 years later:
I just received an email from granddaughter Maureen of SPO Harold
Walters. She'd been searching the internet for family and found
first the report of his gravestone on World Naval Ships' forum, and then
my answer there, coming from the above information. He died of
injuries from an exploding mine, not illness, when he was with HMS
Egmont, not the Cardiff.
Browsing
the internet on a Saturday night : looking for information on my
grandfather , Harold Walters. I found the original post about his grave ,
then read your reply. It brought proud tears to my eyes when I learnt
about his funeral. My mother was only 6 months old when he died , he met
her only once. He sustained injuries after a mine exploded
serving with HMS Egmont , and died from his injuries in a hospital in
Venice.
Thank you for adding another wonderful piece to the family jigsaw.
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Not at sea, but rather at HanKau:
The Foxglove July 7, 1922: Knight, John A. Leading Stoker [K20738], drowned
REST IN PEACE
(This is the first death I have seen on the Foxglove in almost 3 full years of logs - :( )
Kathy W.
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21 May, 1916, Philomel is in Dock at Bombay with a New Zealand crew and records
"Jabez Gaskin A.B. O.N. SS4042 died in hospital"
Recorded by Naval-History.net as "illness"
22 May,
13:15 Funeral firing party returned to Sailor's Home with arms
3:45 Hands returned
17:00 Colours half mast
18:15 Buried J Gaskin A.B. O.N. S.S.4042 at Ashewri
Another seaman a long way from home may he rest in peace
Genealogy
I have found a Gaskin family history website.
Would there be any objection to posting this information on their site with suitable publicity for OW and the usual caveats.
lgb
I would use Carolyn's eMail for Budding Rose as a template
Did Captain Bruce ever acknowledge?
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Did Captain Bruce ever acknowledge?
No, no acknowledgement yet.
Carolyn
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On 16th June 1915 from HMS "Victorian",
Lost overboard and
presumably drowned, PO 1st Class K Butteris, ON 106788, in 54 06N,
4 56W. aged 51 years, 11 months.
RIP
At the cry of
man overboard, the ship turned and searched without success for 15
minutes. This may seem a short time, but presumably the risk from
submarines was too great to allow for more.
In the entry for the court of enquiry on the following day, he is referred to as Wm Butteris.
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I saw a programme about HMS Ark Royal the other day, and they did a
man overboard drill. Even with the dummy equipped with a bright orange
life jacket, it was still exceedingly difficult to find even though the
sea was nearly calm. They were given a 15 min target, as after this
chances of recovery for the person are slim, and they only just did it,
with the aid of a motor dinghy. Must have been nigh on impossible to
recover a man overboard alive 100 years ago.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69760/ADM%2053-69760-090_1.jpg
Can't read some of it, but it is in the middle of the bottom part of the page.
Lat: 35 10N
Long: 66 10W
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From Naval-History.net:
Suffolk, cruiser
GALE, Harold W, Leading Seaman, 310927, illness
Harold Webster Gale, Rest In Peace.
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From Naval-History.net (http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1003-Intro.htm):
Monday, 7 December 1914
MESOPOTAMIAN CAMPAIGN
Shaitan, armed launch, damaged by shore fire, one rating died of wounds on 9th
ELKES, Frederick J G M, Lieutenant Commander, RNR, on books of Ocean, pre-Dreadnought battleship
Wednesday, 9 December 1914
MESOPOTAMIAN CAMPAIGN
Shaitan, armed launch, damaged on 7th
GIBSON, Edward. Ordinary Seaman, (RFR B 768) J 3180. on books of Ocean, DOW
Rest In Peace, Frederick Elkes and Edward Gibson.
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HMS Ribble, off the Dardanelles, 14th March 1915, a month before the Gallipoli Landing began.
Having
taken on board, from Admiralty Trawler 448 and HMS Amethyst, some
victims of an assault on Dardanelles forts and batteries:
"4.0 Committed to the deep the bodies of Mr Lane (Mate R.N.) & 25 ratings ... "
The
scan doesn't extend to the edge of the page and I cannot make out the
name of the lighthouse in the bearing - Po~ Lt SbyE 4 1'. I didn't
bookmark the list of lighthouses.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57771/ADM%2053-57771-010_0.jpg
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I can't read or find the lighthouse name either, but I did find the names of your dead. From naval-history.net:
DARDANELLES NAVAL ATTACK
Saturday, 13 March 1915
Ocean, battleship
LANE, Thomas E, Mate (may have been crew of minesweeping trawler)
Sunday, 14 March 1915
Amethyst, light cruiser, damaged by shore batteries near Kephez Point, 3 more men died of wounds next day, and one on the 16th
BAINBRIDGE, Thomas T, Carpenter's Crew, M 8138 (Po)
BEATON, John D, Engine Room Artificer 2c, RNR, EA 1562
BISHOP, Albert H, Signalman, J 11306 (Po)
BOLTON, John, Stoker 1c, K 3820 (Po)
BOXALL, George D, Stoker 1c, K 10439 (Po)
BURROWS, Daniel, Stoker 2c, K 20453 (Po)
CHAMBERLAIN, Herbert J, Stoker 1c, K 8079 (Po)
GREEN, Walter H, Officer's Steward 3c, L 5725 (Po)
GRUMMITT, Sidney W, Boy 1c, J 31159
GUMBLETON, Reginald C, Engine Room Artificer 4c, M 533 (Po)
HOWARD, Alfred, Stoker 1c, K 9679 (Po)
JOHNSTON, William, Stoker, RNR, U 1049
JONES, John, Stoker 2c, K 22680 (Po)
KINGSFORD, Charles S, Stoker 1c, K 13046 (Po)
MATTHEWS, Patrick, Act/Leading Stoker, K 10563 (Po)
MYCOCK, Arnold, Stoker 1c, 308489 (Po)
PERRING, Warren, Stoker, RNR, S 4365
RANDELL, Alfred, Cook's Mate, M 10230 (Po)
SANKEY, Thomas S, Able Seaman, 227922 (Po)
WICKEN, William E, Petty Officer, 184814 (Po)
WOOLVEN, Albert H, Stoker 1c, 302856 (Po)
Fentonian, hired trawler, minesweeper, damaged by shore batteries
MORVINSON, Gilbert, Deck Hand, RNR, DA 2088
WORRELL, Edward, Chief Petty Officer (Pens) (RFR A 1486), 130204 (Ch)
Ocean, pre-Dreadnought battleship, damaged by shore batteries
IVES, Harry, Petty Officer 1c, 185920 (Dev)
Monday, 15 March 1915
Amethyst, light cruiser, damaged on 14th
COLE, John L, Leading Seaman (Coast Guard), 185874 (Ch), DOW
COOPER, Charles F, Stoker 1c, SS 105959 (Po), DOW
DAVIS, Hugh D, Stoker 1c, K 12253 (Po), DOW
Tuesday, 16 March 1915
Amethyst, light cruiser, damaged on 14th
ELLIOTT, John F, Stoker 1c, 288465 (Po), DOW
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May they Rest In Peace.
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Thanks, Janet,
It became clearer on the next page. It seems that some wounded died after Ribble had left on the 14th. This from the 15th:
"12.50 Secured alongside Hospital Ship "Canada" embarked bodies of 2 ratings late of "Amethyst"
1.5 Proceeded as req
1.55 committed to the deep the bodies of 2 men late of "Amethyst" (Ponente Lt South 4') "
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That agrees with the note in naval-history.net.
I'm glad you could find a lighthouse name to give a location. I can't find that name in any list, but found a tourist photo
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/makineci/2727266099/in/set-72157606517932345/)
of it - now a part of a wind farm on the island of Bozcaada. (I
got lost in sightseeing for a while - Bozcaada is named by Homer, right
across the strait from ancient Troy.)
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From your research, Janet, this would seem to be the final journey of Stoker John F. Elliott;
on board HMS Ribble on the 17th March 1915:
"10.30 proceeded alongside "Canada", embarked 1 Rating late of "Amethyst".
10.55 Proceeded as req.
11.35 Stopped - 11.45 committed to the deep the body of 1 Rating late "Amethyst"."
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May they all Rest In Peace.
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Death of the very young (17 years old) seems a greater loss, somehow, to me.
HMS Torch, 31 July 1919.
Landed funeral & firing party for funeral of A. Fowler, Sig Boy, off.NOW,67552, of HMS "Tomahawk".
Half masted colours.
From Naval-History.net:
Tomahawk, destroyer
FOWLER, Alick E, Signal Boy, J 67552, illness
from the CWGC:
FOWLER, ALICK EDWARD
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Signal Boy
Regiment/Service: Royal Navy
Unit Text: H.M.S. Tomahawk.
Age: 17
Date of Death: 30/07/1919
Service No: J/67552
Additional information: Son of James and Sarah Jane Fowler, of 137, Carlton Vale, Kilburn, London.
Cemetery: SALONIKA (LEMBET ROAD) MILITARY CEMETERY
Rest In Peace, Alick Fowler.
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Death of James Brady, Age 23, 23 December, 1915 "Victorian"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67382/ADM%2053-67382-014_1.jpg
I have posted the complete page because I found the method of displaying Lat/long somehow added something to the factual record
lgb
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It does add to remembering him. He seems to be well respected.
In Memory of
Fireman JAMES BRADY
H.M.S. "Victorian.", Mercantile Marine Reserve
who died age 23
on 23 December 1915
Son of Mary A. Brady, of 99, Toronto St., Liverpool.
Remembered with honour
PLYMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL (http://www.cwgc.org/search/certificate.aspx?casualty=3042011)
Rest in Peace, James Brady.
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The logbook page of HMS Lancaster from 13 November giving
details of this young man's death is only visable on two separte pages
due to some scanning problem -hence my entry here.
Person: William Hillson.
Age: 23
Rank: Stoker. Nationality: English
Private address: 33 Sidworth St.,
King's Cross, L
Cause of death: Found to be missing whilst at sea at 9.pm 13 No. 1914. Presumed to have fallen overboard.
Portanucis
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William Hillson, Rest in Peace.
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HMS King Alfred 16th September 1916 in Gibraltar landed funeral party but no further details given.
naval-history.net has:-
King Alfred, cruiser
BRAUND, Edward, Stoker 2c, K 33252, illness
After a bit of searching I discovered he was buried in the North Front Cemetery, Gibraltar and found this:-
http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp8/Ghostwhisperer_01/Portugal/Gibraltar/65.jpg
RIP
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Naval-history.net is best, but I also find Commonwealth War Graves
Commission (http://www.cwgc.org/debt_of_honour.asp?menuid=14)
helpful. Finding the grave marker is wonderful.
Rest In Peace, Edward Braund (http://www.cwgc.org/search/certificate.aspx?casualty=473042).
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HMS Macedonia, 18th of August 1916 (first pm entry)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47713/ADM%2053-47713-012_0.jpg
"Departed
this life. Thomas Hurley Seaman RNR (RC) Off. No. Newfoundland
1233x who fell overboard whilst working with side party."
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From the log of HMS Clio, September 1917. Somewhere in the Middle East
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38070/ADM%2053-38070-242_1.jpg
06.30 Boy G Parker ON. J. 44234 departed this life.
and
09.20 Body of G Parker, Signal boy ON. J. 44234 committed to the deep. Lat 13 18N Long 42 58E
From the Royal Navy Casualty list
Clio, training ship, Bangor, Wales or sloop (not known which)
PARKER, George, Signal Boy, J 44234 (Ch), died
RIP George Parker.
I
have emailed the Naval Casualty list to let them know that this clears
up the fact that it was on the sloop that George Parker died. Nice to
clear up a mystery.
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On the 16th of October 1917 Clio: "Held sale of dead mans effects"
Presumably the effects of George Parker.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38071/ADM%2053-38071-011_0.jpg
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First of November 1916, HMS Macedonia.
"7.12 PO Knee ON 117 250 Chatham departed this life"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47716/ADM%2053-47716-003_1.jpg
EDIT
And the next day:
"2.5 Stopped. Committed the body of P.O. Knee to the deep 18.12S 39.6W"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47716/ADM%2053-47716-004_0.jpg
Those
lat/long coordinates are shown as being on land on google maps, but
they're close to the noon position of the ship (17.59S 39 18.5W), so
it's probably just some minor error.
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That location is good on my Google maps, so your numbers are good. (Attachment.)
From CWGC (http://www.cwgc.org/search/certificate.aspx?casualty=3051209):
In Memory of
Petty Officer 1st Class HARRY KNEE
177250, H.M.S. "Macedonia.", Royal Navy
who died age 42
on 01 November 1916
Son of John and Mary Knee, of Brighton.
Awarded China Medal Long Service and Good Conduct Medal.1900.
Remembered with honour
CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL
Harry Knee, Rest In Peace.
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That looks like it's off the east coast of Africa, but Macedonia is
off Brazil. If I put in -18.12, -39.6, it comes out just barely
over land on the Brazil coast.
But I'm not too worried about the
numbers being wrong. I don't know what the margin of error is, but
I'm sure it crops up from time to time.
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That's because I forgot to put in the "-" before "west".
Doesn't matter, you're still good - you just have to expand the map to
find the green marker for your lat-long. Google always assigns the
"A" pink marker to some nearby land place whenever possible, and then
confuses us further by converting the minutes and seconds into decimals
of degrees.
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Following up on the death of PO Knee, who died on 1 Nov 1916 on HMS Macedonia (see previous post).
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47718/ADM%2053-47718-007_1.jpg
9 Feb 1917 5:00pm entry: "Sale held of late PO Knee's effects"
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47722/ADM%2053-47722-014_1.jpg
Macedonia, 23 June 1917
"Death of PO Bradley reported. Cause of death - Drowning about 7.30pm"
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=428923
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From Naval-History.net:
Macedonia, armed merchant cruiser
BRADLEY, Bolton, Stoker Petty Officer, RNR, V 825, died in Brazil
Bolton Bradley, Rest in Peace.
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Maybe it's been mentioned already, but the Andes committed a flu victim to the deep on 24th October 1918:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33668/ADM53-33668-015_0.jpg
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63332/ADM%2053-63332-019_1.jpg
Around
8:00 AM, it's not really a burial at sea, but it sounds like someone
was lost overboard, and I didn't know where else to put it.
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Don't think it's a person:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1349.0
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Don't think it's a person:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1349.0
Oh, okay. Thanks!
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Maybe it's been mentioned already, but the Andes committed a flu victim to the deep on 24th October 1918:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33668/ADM53-33668-015_0.jpg
From Naval-History.net:
Oct. 23rd:
Andes, armed merchant cruiser
FARLEY, Reginald F, Private, RMLI, 19364 (Po), illness
From CWGC:
In Memory of Private REGINALD FRANCIS FARLEY
PO/19364, H.M.S. "Andes.", Royal Marine Light Infantry
who died age 19 on 23 October 1918
Son of George and Mary Farley, of Forty Cottage, Colwall, Malvern.
Remembered with honour
PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL
Rest in Peace, Reginald Farley.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63332/ADM%2053-63332-019_1.jpg
Around
8:00 AM, it's not really a burial at sea, but it sounds like someone
was lost overboard, and I didn't know where else to put it.
I do remember that page, and had the same reaction. My American English letting me down again. ;D
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Don't know what happened here, but someone went missing:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38226/ADM%2053-38226-160_1.jpg
And then an officer was sent ashore to identify his body:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38226/ADM%2053-38226-161_0.jpg
And then an inquest and funeral:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38226/ADM%2053-38226-161_1.jpg
From the Naval History site:
Colombo, light cruiser
RUSBRIDGE, Percy M, Able Seaman, J 18638, died
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Nice documentation. Just out of curiosity I'll see if I can find any info on these guys on Ancestry.com.
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Seeing as how he was ashore when he died, I wonder whether he was a victim of some sort of violence?
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-47725/ADM%2053-47725-007_0.jpg
"7.40 Dockyardman missing from work found down No 4 hatch, death caused by fall"
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May he rest in peace.
I did google war graves in the area,
but none came up in August 1917. He may have been a civilian
contractor, in which case it would probably be impossible to find his
name.
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Victorian - 28 May, 1916 - on patrol South of Iceland
6.50
George
Robert Renshaw, fireman, departed this life. Cause of death,
meningitis. N.S.B (5D217) (Lat 57 18n Long 15 39w)
5.25
The body of George Robert Renshaw, fireman, consigned to the deep (Lat 56 38n, Long 18 35w)
From Naval History
RENSHAW, George R, Fireman, MMR, 763045, illness
lgb
RIP George Renshaw
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-63334/ADM%2053-63334-030_1.jpg
7- AB shearer drowned.
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From CWGC:
In Memory of Fireman GEORGE ROBERT RENSHAW
763045, H.M.S. "Victorian.", Mercantile Marine Reserve
who died on 28 May 1916
Remembered with honour
PLYMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL
From naval-history.net:
Torch, destroyer
SHEARER, Frederick, Able Seaman, J 30199 (Po), accident
From CWGC:
In Memory of Able Seaman F SHEARER
J/30199, H.M.S. "Torch.", Royal Navy
who died on 25 December 1918
Remembered with honour
ST. ANDREWS WESTERN CEMETERY
I remember finding this; a somber Christmas.
Rest in Peace, George Robert Renshaw and Frederick Shearer.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67580/ADM%2053-67580-007_1.jpg
At
9.25am the death of Stoker 1st class Alexander Young from septicaemia
is recorded. And at 11.30 his body was committed to the deep.
I
do wonder, given that the ship was back in port by 4pm, why they could
not have waited a few hours so that he could have had a proper
grave :(
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It may have been his own wishes. He is a long way from home, and septicaemia means he had time to think about it.
From Naval-History.net:
Vindictive, old light cruiser
YOUNG, Alexander McN, Stoker 1c (RFR B 5203), 295195, illness
From CWGC:
In Memory of
Stoker 1st Class ALEXANDER MCNEIL YOUNG
295195, (RFR PO/B/5203). H.M.S. "Vindictive.", Royal Navy
who died age 39 on 11 November 1915
Son of Mr. and the late Mrs. Young; husband of Kate Young, of 48, Belgrave St., Southsea, Portsmouth. Native of Ayrshire.
Remembered with honour
PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL
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It may have been his own wishes. He is a long way from home, and septicaemia means he had time to think about it.
From Naval-History.net:
Vindictive, old light cruiser
YOUNG, Alexander McN, Stoker 1c (RFR B 5203), 295195, illness
From CWGC:
In Memory of
Stoker 1st Class ALEXANDER MCNEIL YOUNG
295195, (RFR PO/B/5203). H.M.S. "Vindictive.", Royal Navy
who died age 39 on 11 November 1915
Son of Mr. and the late Mrs. Young; husband of Kate Young, of 48, Belgrave St., Southsea, Portsmouth. Native of Ayrshire.
Remembered with honour
PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL
What
a miserable way to go. It still has a pretty high mortality rate,
even in this day and age. Rest in Peace, Stoker Young.
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Leading Stoker Stevens died of pneumonia following Spanish influenza
Lat 17.00 N Long. 24.52.5 W
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36164/ADM%2053-36164-063_1.jpg
Rest in Peace Albert E. Stevens.
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The voyage home was sad for the Bristol crew.
AB Roberts died of influenza followed by pneumonia
Long: 30? 57 N
Lat: 11 00 W
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36164/ADM%2053-36164-069_1.jpg
Rest in Peace Albert S. Roberts
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48568/ADM%2053-48568-103_1.jpg
Not a burial at sea, but rather a funeral on Gibralter.
HMS Mamora, 27/2/1915, whilst in dry dock at Gibralter records, at 7/8 AM,
'6 mourners joined Funeral Party from HMS Pelorous'
I couldn't find anyone listed under the Pelorous but
Naval-history.net has the following entry, for the 26th Feb' 1915,
'Prince George, pre-Dreadnought Battleship,
TAYLOR Thomas, Stoker 1c,
SS 102400, died in Gibralter'
The CWGC site records he was aged 33 and is buried at Gibralter (North Front) Cemetry.
May he rest in peace.
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H.M.S. Bristol's voyage from Bahia to Gibraltar is really tragic:
No death was reported in all those years I transcribed and now in about two weeks three men died.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36164/ADM%2053-36164-070_0.jpg
36?2'1/2 N 6?55' W
Victor Craner you joined your comrades in arms
May your soul rest in peace
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What a terrible time for everyone onboard the Bristol.
From Naval-History.net and CGWC:
Bristol, 2nd class cruiser
STEVENS, Albert Edward, Leading Stoker, 201785 (Po), illness
age unknown.
PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL (http://www.cwgc.org/search/cemetery_photos.aspx?cemetery=144703&mode=1)
Bristol, 2nd class cruiser
ROBERTS, Albert Sidney, Able Seaman, J 44650 (Ch), illness
age 19; Son of William Montague Roberts and Alice Roberts, of 7, Pembroke Place, Granville Rd., Kilburn, London.
CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL (http://www.cwgc.org/search/cemetery_photos.aspx?cemetery=142000&mode=1)
Bristol, 2nd class cruiser
CRANER, Victor, Cook's Mate, M 10421 (Po), illness
age 24; Son of Thomas and Mary Ann Craner, of 74, Station St., East Foleshill, Coventry.
PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL (http://www.cwgc.org/search/cemetery_photos.aspx?cemetery=144703&mode=1)
Prince George, pre-Dreadnought Battleship,
TAYLOR Thomas, Stoker 1c, SS 102400, died in Gibralter
age 33; Husband of S. L. Taylor, of Field House, Little Cowarne, Pencombe, Bromyard, Worcester.
GIBRALTAR (NORTH FRONT) CEMETERY (http://www.cwgc.org/search/cemetery_photos.aspx?cemetery=54318&mode=1)
Rest in Peace, Thomas Taylor, Albert Stevens, Albert Roberts, and Victor Craner.
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From the log of HMS "Warrior", 1st March 1916 while anchored in
Cromarty, "4-40pm, recovered the body of AB D.Owens of HMS "Natal".
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On 22nd May, 1922 "Cairo" is in Penang and records
7:15 [pm] about
Death occurred by drowning of Thomas S Mahoney O.N. K22564, Stoker 1st Class
There is no record of a funeral or indeed that T S Mahoney's body was recovered
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I could not find him on CWGC at all, and have informed them of your information on him.
This is what I know from Naval-History.net and www.clarelibrary.ie; they record their own war dead on a separate site.
Cairo, light cruiser
MAHONY, Thomas S, Stoker 1c, K 22564, drowned
Name: Mahony, Thomas Stephen
Birth Date: 24 December 1895
Official Number: K22564
Place of Birth: Kilrush, Clare
Rest in Peace, Thomas Mahony.
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On 6th March 1916, the crew of HMS "Warrior", at anchor in Cromarty,
recovered another body from HMS "Natal", identified only as Hartle.
HMS
"Natal", a cruiser, sank at her moorings in Cromarty after an
accidental internal explosion on December 30th, 1915. Loss of life is
variously recorded between 390 and 421. Her wreck being still visible at
low tide, it was apparently the practice right up until the second
world war, for ships passing to and from Cromarty to sound the "still"
and for officers and men to stand to attention.
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Naval-History has her listed as having sunk on Dec. 30th 1915 - if
they didn't find the body until 3 months later, it makes sense that
Warrior's log-keeper wouldn't know the exact date, however vividly he
remembered the ship's passing. This is the only name on the list
that starts with "Hartl~".
-------------------------
Thursday, 30 December 1915
Natal, cruiser, destroyed by internal explosion in Cromarty Firth around 1520 (Note: some sources date her loss on the 31st)
...
HARTLEY, Arthur G, Able Seaman, 235197 (Ch)
...
[approx. 400 names in the list]
From CWGC:
Able Seaman A G HARTLEY
235197(CH)., H.M.S. "Natal.", Royal Navy
who died on 30 December 1915
Husband of E. H. Holloway (formerly Hartley), of 110, Andover Rd., Holloway, London.
Remembered with honour
CROMARTY CEMETERY
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May they all rest in peace.
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HMS Virginian, on Feburary 15th 1915, shortly after leaving Glasgow, records
'Frederick Chapman No 111 First Class P.O. died from Heart failure.'
On the 16th Feb,1915, the log records,
'1.30pm Read Funeral Service.Body of Frederick Chapman committed to the deep.'
The ships noon location was 56 29N 7 37W.
Naval.history has the following entry for 15th Feb' 1915
'Virginian, armed merchant cruiser
CHAPMAN, Frederick G, Petty Officer, 139298, illness'
May he rest in peace.
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HMS Challenger, 15th of May 1918
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37521/ADM53-37521-0203_1.jpg
Not exactly "at sea," but:
"Stoker WH Parry RNR died at Simonstown Hospital"
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=127570
http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1918-05May.htm
"PARRY, William H, Stoker 2c, K 44803, illness"
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William Parry, Rest In Peace.
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I wonder if HMS Challenger is starting to get the flu. On 3rd June, 1918:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37521/ADM53-37521-0215_1.jpg
"Cook 1st class Porter received in hospital"
The 3 days later, 6th June, 1918:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37521/ADM53-37521-0217_0.jpg
"Cook 1st class Porter's death reported from RN hospital"
This is the second death from illness in about 3 weeks aboard Challenger.
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=127574
http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1918-06Jun.htm
"Thursday, 6 June 1918
Challenger, old light cruiser
PORTER, Edwin, Ship's Cook, 346292, illness"
Also from the same day:
"Stoker Vaal admitted to RN hospital from leave"
(might not be "Vaal", but that's my best guess)
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"Stoker Vaal admitted to RN hospital from leave"
(might not be "Vaal", but that's my best guess)
It may not be significant if he recovers, but I think the name is "Veal".
The writer almost always leaves a hole in the middle of his "a" but his "e" is often "thrown away".
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Neither "Veal" nor "Vaal" shows up as a casualty on Challenger in 1918, FWIW.
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Neither "Veal" nor "Vaal" shows up as a casualty on Challenger in 1918, FWIW.
Having put on my semantics hat, does "casualty" cover fatality, injury and sickness?
It seems that, nowadays, "casualty" is increasingly used to indicate "fatality".
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At this distance in history, it is the deaths that are recorded in
easily accessed lists. The wounded would be mixed into other large
crowds in hospitals, and privacy rights would almost certainly prevent
making public lists in their lifetime; I don't want to even think about
how complicated those lists would be to create 80 years after the
fact. So I don't think it matters if they did or did not apply
"casualty" to wounded. I looked up Vaal/Veal in CWGC - there were
no 1918 listings for Vaal at all, and the four1918 dead named Veal died
in either April or September. So your stoker didn't die.
Rest in Peace, Edwin Porter.
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From Venus, anchored at Aden:
Died, De Silva Phillipba,
Officers' Steward, of Pnenmonia, on October 18, 1918, at the European
General Hospital. He was buried that afternoon.
Rest In Peace, De Silva Phillipba
NOTE: He is not listed in the Casualty Lists of Naval-History.net. Is there a process in place to get names added?
UPDATE:
I heard from Don Kindall, and his name is Philippe D'Silva (why does
everything have to be written in reverse order) and is included in the
casualty lists.
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From Venus, anchored at Aden:
Died,
De Silva Phillipba, Officers' Steward, of Pnenmonia, on October 18,
1918, at the European General Hospital. He was buried that
afternoon.
Rest In Peace, De Silva Phillipba
NOTE: He is not listed in the Casualty Lists of Naval-History.net. Is there a process in place to get names added?
At
a quick glance, Don Kindell compiled or was heavily involved in the
compilation of the information. There is an email address and an
indication that he is prepared to accept enquiries at:
http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1003-Intro.htm#1914
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10 October, 1916 "Victorian" is on patrol West of the Hebrides, her log records
Departed
this life, Alfred Edward Nunn. Boy 1st cl, O.N. J46234 Devonport, Lat
57 40n, Long 11 48w. By misadventure, injuries received (through
falling down into Fore Magazine at about 10a.m. a distance of 50ft
whilst reeving a new whip). Age 16.5, Next of Kin Mrs Nunn, 25
Percy Place, Broad Street, Reading.
Recorded at Naval History and CWGC
and the following day
Enquiry held concerning cause of death of Alfred Edward Nunn.
Burial service, stopped engines - "Body of Alfred Edward Nunn committed to the deep - Lat 57 23n, 12 27w
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Rest in Peace, Philippe D'Silva and Alfred Edward Nunn.
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Arlanza, December 27, 1916
7.30 Stopped and committed to the sea the body of the late PO 1st class Arthur Towner
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34128/ADM53-34128-016_1.jpg
Recorded on naval-history.org:
TOWNER, Arthur, Petty Officer 1c (RFR A 3167), 136645, Arlanza, 26 December 1916, illness
RIP
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Added information from CWGC:
Son of Edward and Ann Towner, of St.
Leonards-on-Sea, Sussex; husband of Mary Ann Towner, of 9, Jubilee
Terrace, Southsea, Portsmouth.
Rest in Peace, Arthur Towner.
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Juno's log, 13 August 1915:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45461/ADM%2053-45461-009_1.jpg
Departed this life. Killed in Action today:
J.R. Sullivan, Pt. Ch 14911 age 37
C.E. King A.B. C 180965 age 36
E.W. Major, A.B. C 192469, age 34
P.F. Chapman, Ldg Sig C/J6608 age 22
Rest in peace, young men.
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14 August 1915, the action continues.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45461/ADM%2053-45461-010_0.jpg
Killed in action: T C Blomefield, Comdr R.N. age 41
Rest in peace, Commander Blomefield.
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From CWGC:
In Memory of
Private JOHN ROBERT SULLIVAN CH/14911,
H.M.S. "Juno.", Royal Marine Light Infantry
who died on 13 August 1915
Able Seaman CHARLES EDWIN KING
180965, (RFR/CH/B/2585). H.M.S. "Juno.", Royal Navy
who died age 38 on 13 August 1915
Son
of Francis William and Ellen King, of Battersea, London; husband of
Gertrude E. King, of 23, Standen Rd., Southfields, London.
Able Seaman ERNEST WALTER MAJOR
193469, (RFR/CH/B/2552). H.M.S. "Juno.", Royal Navy
who died age 35 on 13 August 1915
Son of George and Ellen Major, of London; husband of Alice Major, of 39, Duke St. Grimsby.
Leading Signalman PHILIP FREDERICK CHAPMAN
J/6608, H.M.S. "Juno.", Royal Navy
who died age 21 on 13 August 1915
Son of Thomas and Emma Chapman, of 2, Hale Rd., Tottenham, London.
Commander THOMAS CHARLES ALFRED BLOMEFIELD
H.M.S. "Juno.", Royal Navy
who died age 40 on 14 August 1915
Son of Sir T. W. P. Blomefield, Bart, C.B., and Lady Blomefield; husband of Margaret J. Blomefield, of "Meadowside," Sherborne.
Remembered with honour
CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL
May they rest in peace.
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Janet, thank you for finding this.
What is "CWGC"?
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The Commonwealth War Graves Commission.
http://www.cwgc.org/
They are responsible for all war graves of Commonwealth Countries.
HTH
K
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CWGC only does the war years, 4 August 1914 to 31 August 1921 and 3
September 1939 to 31 December 1947. So they cannot help us for
those lost in the earliest and later years covered by our fleet. I
deeply appreciate the availability of their resources.
I must
say, when the handwriting confuses the spelling of the name,
Naval-History.net is much more helpful - there, everyone is listed by
date and ship.
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Juno's log, 16 August 1915: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45461/ADM%2053-45461-011_0.jpg
I'm having difficulty with the name of the young A.B. , who died of gun wounds received in action (left side of log):
H.J .Jallon ??? Fallon???, A.B. CH 2892, age 24
3.22 Stopped as reqt. Committed to the deep with due ceremony body of H Gallus ???, A.B.
Probably the same young man, but again, would appreciate a second opinion on the correct spelling of his name.
I would not have deduced it from the first entry, and the second is only marginally less helpful, but:
"Juno, old light cruiser, shore party landing on 13th
GALLON, Henry J, Able Seaman (RFR B 10752), SS 2892 (Ch), DOW"
from http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1915-08Aug.htm
CGWC:
In Memory of Able Seaman HENRY JAMES GALLON
SS/2892, (RFR/CH/B/10752). H.M.S. "Juno.", Royal Navy
who died on 16 August 1915
Remembered with honour CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL
Rest in Peace, Henry James Gallon
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Suva, 12 Sept 1917 at Suez
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61886/ADM%2053-61886-009_0.jpg
"11:15 PO Taylor discharged to hospital"
...
"1:45 Received signal notifying death of PO Taylor at hospital"
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=473953
Name: TAYLOR, WILLIAM
Initials: W
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Petty Officer
Regiment/Service: Royal Navy
Unit Text: H.M.S. "Suva."
Date of Death: 12/09/1917
Service No: 228877
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: B. 45.
Cemetery: SUEZ WAR MEMORIAL CEMETERY
http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1917-09Sep.htm
"Suva, armed boarding steamer
TAYLOR, William, Petty Officer, 228877, illness"
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William Taylor, rest in peace.
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I
suspect Challenger was afflicted by the flu in December 1918, in East
Africa. The number on the sick list, already high on 3rd December
at 21, went up to 29 on 4th, 39 on 5th (with 22 crossed out and 39
written in) and 56 on 6th December. On 7th 46 sick cases were
discharged to Hospital. On 8th there were 25 on the sick list, and
13 were discharged to hospital; on 9th 12 on the sick list and 4 to
hospital; on 10th 13 sick; on 11th apparently no one sick (though I
suspect from having done a few months logs now that they didn't always
record the number sick) and 1 to hospital.
Then the funerals
start; the first is of a Sub Lt from Styx; then funeral parties are
recorded on 13th, 15th (two on one day), and 17th. There are 9
deaths recorded on Naval History from the Challenger between 10th and
16th December, all from illness; none are recorded as dying on board so I
guess they were among those discharged to hospital. The logs
don't usually record whose funerals they are attending; the only person
named is Staff Surgeon Langford RN, who died on 15th December and was
buried on the same day.
on 16th December all bedding was aired; and
in the afternoon the ship was disinfected by the Port Medical
Authorities (they're in Dar-es-Salaam). On 17th December 8 are
recorded as sick, but after that nil (as I say I'm not convinced this is
accurate - it's a bit hit and miss). On 23rd December 5 ratings
join the ship from hospital, so presumably it was felt to be safe for
them to do so.
It must have been terrible, for both the men and
their families, to have survived the war, and then to die from the flu
before they could get home. May they all rest in peace.
Quoted from the 1918-19 Influenza Epidemic thread
Given the small, tight community enclosed in a ship, it must have been terrifying.
I honor Challenger's losses that month:
SHORTMAN, James H, Ordinary Seaman, J 77887, illness
who died age 19 on 10 December 1918
STOTT, Fred, Ty/Engineer Sub Lieutenant, RNR, illness
who died age 32 on 10 December 1918
Son of Mr. and Mrs. William Jackson Stott, of Accrington, Lancs.
LOADER, Claude Alexander Edgar, Able Seaman, 238326, illness
who died age 28 on 12 December 1918
Son of Capt. A. E. Loader (A.S.C.) and Bridget Loader.
Served in the Somaliland Expedition, 1908-10, also in the Persian Gulf, 1909-14.
GUNNINGHAM, Frank, Stoker Petty Officer, 287128, illness
who died age 39 on 13 December 1918 (RFR/DEV/B/3049).
Long Service and Good Conduct Medal.
Son of Robert Gunningham;
husband of Henrietta Gunningham, of 15, Polden St., Bridgwater, Somerset.
Born at Spaxton, Somerset.
TUTT, William Courtney Edward, Petty Officer, 155763, illness
who died age 44 on 13 December 1918 (RFR/DEV/4219).
Son of the late Edward and Amy Tutt, of Ashford, Kent;
husband of Kate Tutt, of 49, Mawson Lane, Chiswick, London.
HILL, Hubert, Stoker 1c, K 44813, illness
who died age 29 on 14 December 1918
Son of William Godfrey Hill and Elizabeth Hill;
husband of Bessie Hill, of Church Cottage, Marldon, Paignton, Devon.
Born at Marldon, Devon.
MOORE, Frederick Francis , Painter 1c, M 2593, illness
who died age 35 on 14 December 1918
Husband of Elizabeth A. Moore, of Church Walk, West St., Ashburton, Devon.
LANGFORD, Martyn H, Surgeon Lieutenant Commander, illness
who died age 34 on 15 December 1918
MORRISON, Daniel Joseph, Shipwright 1c, 342391, illness
who died age 39 on 16 December 1918
Son of John and Elizabeth Morrison;
husband of Ethel Morrison, of 2A, Bridwell Rd., Weston Mill Estate, Devonport.
Born in Pembrokeshire.
May they Rest in Peace.
Information from Naval-History.net and CWGC.org
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This is not actually a burial at sea, but I felt Lt Taylor's death should not go unmarked.
13 August 1919 HMS Vindictive
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67607/ADM%2053-67607-118_0.jpg
This
is an account of the incident in which Lt Taylor was killed. His
funeral took place on 15 August. Although he was buried at
Koivisto cemetery, the burial service was read on board ship (I wonder
if this was for religious reasons?)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67607/ADM%2053-67607-119_0.jpg
There
is quite a lot on the Great War Forum about the incident. The
Vindictive's logs are in error referring to Lt W S Taylor. He was
actually Norman Samuel Taylor, which is confirmed by the CWGC.
Apparently the pilot of the Griffin survived. There is some
suspicion of sabotage - I know casualty rates were very high in the
early days of the RAF, but even so it seems too much of a coincidence
that the two planes crashed independently.
Rest in Peace, Lieutenant Taylor.
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HMS Vindictive 20 August 1919
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67607/ADM%2053-67607-121_1.jpg
Another
casualty, Lt Archibald Dayrell-Reed, commander of CMB 88, killed in
action age 31. Again, the burial service was read on board, though
he is actually buried in Koivisto Cemetery.
I fear there may be many more casualties to come in this campaign.
RIP Lt Dayrell-Reed.
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5 March, 1918 in convoy with "Victorian" Between Halifax and Liverpool log records simply
8:30 S.S. "Metagama" buried one trooper
9:30 S.S. "Khyber" buried one native seaman
lgb
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Lieutenant NORMAN SAMUEL TAYLOR
66th Sqdn. 14th Wing, Royal Air Force
who died age 20 on 13 August 1919
Croce di Guerra (Italy).
Son of John E.F. and Annie K. Taylor, of 6 Crieff Road, Wandsworth. London.
Lieutenant ARCHIBALD DAYRELL-REED
D S O and Bar
88, H.M.C.M.B. 88 B.D., Royal Navy
who died age 31 on 18 August 1919
Croix de Guerre with Palms (France).
Son of Margaret Dayrell-Reed, of West Parley, Wimborne, Dorset, and the late George Dayrell-Reed.
May all 4 men Rest in Peace.
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This is not a funeral per see, there has been no mention of a death
on board the Mantua, it is just the size and makeup of the funeral party
took me by surprise - I wonder who died...obviously whoever it was, he
was held in fairly high esteem -
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48275/ADM%2053-48275-016_0.jpg
Kathy W.
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Death took place in USN hospital, Washington DC of Harold Gurney
Davis, male, 31, 2nd engineer RNR. English of Eddington, St Helens,
I-of-W, from Trombosis (sic) of the mesentary vein. WO Davis died on the
16th September 1918, having been rushed to the hospital in the early
hours of the previous day.
RIP
..........and on 19th September
in the afternoon, a funeral party was landed from his ship, HMS
"Warrior" and he was buried in Arlington Cemetery.
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Rest in Peace, Harold Gurney Davis.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67607/ADM%2053-67607-138_1.jpg
Another
casualty, buried at Koivisto cemetery: Lieut Samuel Dawson RAF, aged
24, died 17 September 1919 when his Strutter crashed. We also lost
Lieut Francis Unwin RAF, aged 22, missing in action.
RIP both.
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Lieutenant SAMUEL DAWSON D F C
Royal Air Force
who died age 24 on 17 September 1919
Son of Robert and Rubina Dawson.
Lieutenant FRANCIS JOHN UNWIN
H.M.S. "Vindictive,", Royal Air Force formerly, King's Shropshire Light Infantry
who died age 22 on 17 September 1919
Son of the Rev. William Cummins Unwin and Frances Harriet Unwin, of Loppington Vicarage, Salop.
Educated at St. John's, Leatherhead.
Enlisted in 1915. Also served in France, Egypt and Salonika.
Rest in Peace.
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There are 24 UK Nationals buried at Arlington - here is a link to the list of burials there -
http://www.arlingtoncemetery.mil/historical_information/foreign_nationals.html
I'm going to be playing tourist this week, so if possible, I'll go there and see if I can find Harold Davis's resting place.
Kathy W.
UPDATE: I did some research, and the following sailors died of illness on the Warrior and are buried at Arlington:
Seaman William Kelly
Able Seaman Joseph Prowse
Pvt. James Schofield
Mr. Thomas H. Symons, Writer
These
men are all buried in the same section and pretty much in a row.
The section they are buried in is next to the section Harold Davis is
buried in. I think the men above died from the flu
There is
a mystery here - I can't find Able Seaman Herbert Thomas in Naval
History.net. He is buried in the same section as the others, so I
assume he was on the Warrior. If I make it to Arlington, I'll find
these men also.
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There are 24 UK Nationals buried at Arlington - here is a link to the list of burials there -
http://www.arlingtoncemetery.mil/historical_information/foreign_nationals.html
I'm going to be playing tourist this week, so if possible, I'll go there and see if I can find Harold Davis's resting place.
Kathy W.
It seems, to me, quite an honour that was extended to the deceased and their families; as is your intention. Thank you.
Two hundred acres is a lot of ground. Don't feel bad if you don't find the spot. It is the intention that counts.
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Lieutenant SAMUEL DAWSON D F C
Royal Air Force
who died age 24 on 17 September 1919
Son of Robert and Rubina Dawson.
Lieutenant FRANCIS JOHN UNWIN
H.M.S. "Vindictive,", Royal Air Force formerly, King's Shropshire Light Infantry
who died age 22 on 17 September 1919
Son of the Rev. William Cummins Unwin and Frances Harriet Unwin, of Loppington Vicarage, Salop.
Educated at St. John's, Leatherhead.
Enlisted in 1915. Also served in France, Egypt and Salonika.
Rest in Peace.
I never though I'd see my name in a dead sailor's name...
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There are almost no people on earth - or at least in the USA and
Europe with European-sounding names - who do not have other people
carrying the same name. Fact, but not comfortable.
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There
is a mystery here - I can't find Able Seaman Herbert Thomas in
Naval-History.net. He is buried in the same section as the others,
so I assume he was on the Warrior. If I make it to Arlington,
I'll find these men also.
Arlington
is a beautiful and thought-provoking place, the Custis-Lee mansion just
accents the tragedies of war. I found Herbert Thomas in
Naval-History.net, died 22nd October 1918.
These
are all the WWI British sailors and marines from HMS Warrior that CWGC
says are buried in Arlington National Cemetary, Virginia, USA:
Private ELMER ROBERT DARROCK PLY/15645,
H.M. Yacht "Warrior.", Royal Marine Light Infantry
who died on 19 October 1918
Son of Mrs. S. Darrock, of 5, Maitland Place, Cardiff, Wales.
Engine Room Artificer 2nd Class HAROLD GURNEY DAVIS
H.M. Yacht "Warrior.", Royal Naval Reserve
who died on 16 September 1918
Husband of Mrs. Davis, of Eddington, St. Helens, Isle of Wight.
Deck Hand WILLIAM KELLY
H.M. Yacht "Warrior.", Mercantile Marine Reserve
who died age 21 on 13 October 1918
Son of Richard Kelly, of 2, Harrow Lane, High St., Poplar, London, England.
Deck Hand JOSEPH PROWSE
H.M.Yacht "Warrior.", Mercantile Marine Reserve
who died on 06 January 1919
Son of J. Prowse, of Plewlands House, South Queensferry, Scotland.
Private J SCHOFIELD PO/11561,
H.M. Yacht "Warrior.", Royal Marine Light Infantry
who died on 23 December 1918
Son of Mrs. M. A. Schofield, of 25, Mount Pleasant, Denton, Manchester, England.
Writer 3rd THOMAS HENRY SYMONS M/18229,
H.M. Yacht "Warrior.", Royal Navy
who died on 21 December 1918
Son of Mr. G. W. Symons, of Dean St., Liskeard, Cornwall, England.
Deck Hand HERBERT THOMAS
H.M. Yacht "Warrior.", Mercantile Marine Reserve
who died on 22 October 1918
Son of Mrs. F. A. Morgan, of 6, St. Domingo Grove, Everton, Liverpool, England.
Harold G. Davis is the only one of Warrior's crew that is in section 15 - the other British dead there are all from WWII.
May they all Rest in Peace.
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There
are almost no people on earth - or at least in the USA and Europe with
European-sounding names - who do not have other people carrying the same
name. Fact, but not comfortable.
The
thing is that my first name is really rare (Dawson), and I've never met
anyone with the same name, so I was really creeped out when I saw
it. :-[ May he rest in peace.
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That is rare, as a first name. :)
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HM Yacht Warrior, 13th October, Washington DC. At 7-30 am in the USN
hospital, William Kelly, Deck Hand, RNR died of pneumonia.
William was 21 from Poplar, London E.
RIP
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Rest in Peace, William Kelly.
We were talking earlier
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=671.msg22392#msg22392), he
is buried at Arlington National Cemetary, Virginia.
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I wish there were a way to enter these into a spread sheet, instead
of individual postings on the forum, so we could eliminate duplicate
entries. I'm not sure if this is a "real" problem, but currently
it's kind of hard to tell if an entry for a particular person has
already been posted.
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I try to remember to do a search before posting, but I admit I don't always think to do this.
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I've thought of doing that, but the ongoing search would be very
time consuming, and every field in the spreadsheet entering
manually. I would prefer listing them two or three times to doing
that instead of transcribing.
Besides, my note was entirely
intended to draw you into the discussion and know someone was
considering the possibility of visiting the graves themselves for us -
Arlington is a very special, very crowded cemetary and for a foreign
national to be given space is indeed a mark of respect. Each one
of us sometimes needs to remember our dead, whether or not another
transcriber has done that.
This thread started as (and
remains) an info bank for historians, but has turned into something much
more meaningful for a number of us. I would never apologize for
wanting to honor our dead, however often that is.
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It was mostly in the interest of efficiency. Like
thursdaynext, I don't always (often?) think to check the posts to see if
someone has already posted a death notice.
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HM Yacht Warrior, Washington, 19th October, 1918.
Elmer R
Darrock, male, aged 24, Pte RMLI, Welsh, last abode 5, Maitland Place,
Grangetown, Cardiff, died in the USN hospital at 830am today of
pneumonia.
Pte Darrock was one of many of the crew of Warrior discharged to the USN hospital with influenza.
Several died there and like the others, Pte Darrock is buried in Arlington Cemetery.
RIP
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HM Yacht Warrior, Washington, October 22nd, 1918.
Herbert Thomas,
male, 31, Deck hand, RNR, English, last abode, St Domingo Grove,
Liverpool, died at 5-30am in the USN hospital, pneumonia.
RIP
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Challenger, 12th October 1914, S Hunkin AB RNR A3238, age
unknown. Not included on Naval History, but I found him on the
Commonwealth Graves Commission website - he's buried at Douala.
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Two more from Challenger, sadly.
26th October 1914 - William Bird AB RFR (ON 207358) departed this life
2nd November 1914 - Arthur Courtis (2875C) departed this life
Rest in peace
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HMS Vindictive 20 August 1919
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67607/ADM%2053-67607-121_1.jpg
Another
casualty, Lt Archibald Dayrell-Reed, commander of CMB 88, killed in
action age 31. Again, the burial service was read on board, though
he is actually buried in Koivisto Cemetery.
I fear there may be many more casualties to come in this campaign.
RIP Lt Dayrell-Reed.
I
have just come across a book on Amazon called "Operation Kronstadt" by
Harry Ferguson. Lt Dayrell-Reed has a number of listings in the
index. It looks like a very readable account of the operation in
the Gulf of Finland, of which I know very little - can't wait to read
it!
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Lieutenant ARCHIBALD DAYRELL-REED
D S O and Bar 88, H.M.C.M.B. 88 B.D.,
Royal Navy
who died age 31 on 18 August 1919
Croix de Guerre with Palms (France).
Son of Margaret Dayrell-Reed, of West Parley, Wimborne, Dorset, and the late George Dayrell-Reed.
He sounds like a very interesting man.
Rest in Peace, Archibald Dayrell-Reed.
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Kronstadt
Being curious I looked up Dayrell-Reed and found this site which has some background information
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=127817
lgb
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Further insomnia has led me to
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/navy-cards-and-files.asp
which at present is very limited but may prove useful in future
lgb
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Suva, 9th Nov 1917
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61888/ADM%2053-61888-008_0.jpg
"4.45 Body of Native Hosein Shabcock conveyed to burial ground"
I am mostly guessing on the spelling of his last name. "Sha" is pretty clear, but the rest, not so much.
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Thanks, lgb, for the two links above - both very interesting!
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Suva, 9th Nov 1917
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61888/ADM%2053-61888-008_0.jpg
"4.45 Body of Native Hosein Shabcock conveyed to burial ground"
I am mostly guessing on the spelling of his last name. "Sha" is pretty clear, but the rest, not so much.
I believe that seems a little too English to suit the case and something a touch more complicated is required.
I
have not ever encountered the name but, after magnification, I offer
for your consideration: "Shaboodeca". No guarantee, no refund.
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I guessed at Shaboakia or Shaboodia but I'd hate to put money on either.
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Suva, 9th Nov 1917
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61888/ADM%2053-61888-008_0.jpg
"4.45 Body of Native Hosein Shabcock conveyed to burial ground"
I am mostly guessing on the spelling of his last name. "Sha" is pretty clear, but the rest, not so much.
I believe that seems a little too English to suit the case and something a touch more complicated is required.
I
have not ever encountered the name but, after magnification, I offer
for your consideration: "Shaboodeca". No guarantee, no refund.
Yeah,
far too English, but maybe his dad was British. :) At least, that
was my rationalization, but now that I look at it again, I see an extra
letter or two after what I thought was the last letter in the
name. I transcribed it as Shab~~~~ in the "Other" field.
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This may help, from Naval-History.net - different from all guesses.
Suva, armed boarding steamer
SABOODEEN, Sheik H, Winchman, MMR, (no service number listed), illness
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Good Work.
"S" and "Sh" are similarly pronounced in some languages. So perhaps all can be forgiven.
Presumably,
his was the death recorded at 8.30. There was no one on the sick list
on the previous day and no suggestion that local labour had boarded, so
it must have been fairly sudden. I suppose I really mean unexpected.
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I must admit, the handwriting doesn't look like any of the guesses,
Gordon's on Naval-History.net included - there's a g or y in there
somewhere. I suspect the logkeeper cramped his handwriting to fit
what was in the work records into a tiny space, and everyone everywhere
has been making wild guesses ever since. I like that both the
ship's log and whatever data source Gordon uses do acknowledge this man
by name; that can be painfully rare.
Rest in Peace, Sheik Hosein Shaboodeen.
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Awesome, thanks! I can sorta even make out all the letters now that I know what they are. :)
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12 May, 1918 ?Victorian? approaching New York from Liverpool
Trimmer,
John Kemp, Mercantile Marine (No unknown) age about 19 disappeared at
about 12.30am in Lat 39 41n; Long 54 20w and presumed was drowned
recorded by CWGC as S/no 942788 age 18 at Plymouth Naval Memorial
unable to find at Naval History
lgb
Also under Victorian
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2nd March 1915, Challenger, at Doula, Cameroon.
Pte T W Boyle RMLI Ply/15947 died in hospital. The funeral took place on the same day.
Rest in peace
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2nd March 1915, Challenger, at Doula, Cameroon.
Pte T W Boyle RMLI Ply/15947 died in hospital. The funeral took place on the same day.
Rest in peace
The log page clearly says "TW Boyle":
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-37518/ADM%2053-37518-091_0.jpg
But CWGC has him listed as "FW Boyle":
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2964699
Name: BOYLE
Initials: F W
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Royal Marine Light Infantry
Unit Text: H.M.S. "Challenger."
Date of Death: 02/03/1915
Service No: PLY/15947
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Joint grave 7-8.
Cemetery: DOUALA CEMETERY
But naval-history.net has "Thomas W Boyle":
http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1915-03Mar.htm
Challenger, old light cruiser
BOYLE, Thomas W, Private, RMLI, 15947 (Ply), illness
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Challenger, 8 March 1915:
"Mr. AE Lewis (act gunner) died in hospital of meningitis following dysentery aged 32"
http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1915-03Mar.htm
Challenger, old light cruiser
LEWIS, Albert E, Act/Gunner, died in Cameroons
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2964708
Name: LEWIS, ALBERT EDWARD
Initials: A E
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Gunner
Regiment/Service: Royal Navy
Unit Text: H.M.S. "Challenger."
Age: 32
Date of Death: 08/03/1915
Additional information: Husband of May Elizabeth Lewis, of 26, Beatrice Rd., Bermondsey, London.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: 9.
Cemetery: DOUALA CEMETERY
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Rough couple weeks on Challenger. This is the 3rd death since March 2.
15 March 1915:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-37518/ADM%2053-37518-097_1.jpg
"6.45 Landed funeral party for funeral of late CPO Holmes of HMS Laurentic"
No mention of his death, just the funeral.
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2964706
Name: HOLMES
Initials: F J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Chief Petty Officer
Regiment/Service: Royal Navy
Unit Text: H.M.S. "Challenger."
Age: 46
Date of Death: 14/03/1915
Service No: 132549
Additional
information: Son of John and Elizabeth Holmes;
husband of Elizabeth Holmes, of 7, Grove Crescent, Teignmouth, Devon.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: 10.
Cemetery: DOUALA CEMETERY
http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1915-03Mar.htm
Challenger, old light cruiser
HOLMES, Francis J, Chief Petty Officer, 132549, died in Cameroons
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12 May, 1918 ?Victorian? approaching New York from Liverpool
Trimmer,
John Kemp, Mercantile Marine (No unknown) age about 19 disappeared at
about 12.30am in Lat 39 41n; Long 54 20w and presumed was drowned
recorded by CWGC as S/no 942788 age 18 at Plymouth Naval Memorial
unable to find at Naval History
lgb
Also under Victorian
I found him in Naval-History.net a day later, I don't know why:
Victorian, armed merchant cruiser
KEMP, John R, Trimmer, MMR, 942788, drowned
Rest in Peace, John Kemp.
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2nd March 1915, Challenger, old light cruiser
BOYLE, Thomas W, Private, RMLI, 15947 (Ply), illness
Challenger, 8 March 1915:
"Mr. AE Lewis (act gunner) died in hospital of meningitis following dysentery aged 32"
15 March 1915:
Challenger, old light cruiser
HOLMES, Francis J, Chief Petty Officer, 132549, died in Cameroons
May they all rest in peace.
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HM Yacht Warrior. 21/12/1918. 6-25 pm.
Death took place in USN
hospital, Washington DC of Thomas Henry Symons, Writer III
(hostilities), male, 25 years, English, of Dean St, Liskeard, Cornwall,
from pneumonia.
Mr Symons had been discharged to hospital on the 17th, following an earlier stay there with influenza.
RIP
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HM Yacht Warrior, 23/12/1918, 11am
Death took place in USN
hospital of Pte James Schofield, RMLI, male, 36, English of 25, Mount
Pleasant, Denton, Manchester from influenzal pneumonia.
Mr Scofield had been discharged to hospital on the 20th.
RIP
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Certainly not a burial at sea, and I am not sure if this counts, but it is interesting.
From the log of HMS Clio. Jan 1914. She is on the Yangtze River.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38067/C2-ADM53-38067-0047_1.jpg
Chinaman Ah Horiz (canteen manager) died on board.
RIP Ah Horiz.
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He must have been a well known local, to be on board at all and to be logged by name.
Rest in Peace, Ah Horiz.
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HMS Donegal, 16 Mar. 1916 Scapa Flow
"0.30 Landed funeral party attending funeral of P.O. Owens RFR"
Donegal, cruiser
OWEN, Richard A (http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1916-03Mar.htm), Petty Officer 1c, 121776, died 15 March 1916; illness
LYNESS ROYAL NAVAL CEMETERY (http://www.scapaflow.co.uk/C'wealthWarDead1914-1918.pdf) - Orkney - United Kingdom
R.I.P. Mr. Owen.
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Bluebell's log, 27 July 1921: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-71519/ADM%2053-71519-031_1.jpg
3.45 Funeral Foring Party & mournors (sic) landed.
What
does the italicized word mean? Did the logkeeper mean to say it
was a "firing" party for some sort of gun salute, but misspelled it?
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In army funerals they sometimes fire a volley over the grave using
rifles, I don't know if the navy do the same. Looking at his
spelling I think your guess is right, I suppose that mourners does rhyme
with sailors to many ears.
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On the Avoca we had rifle party sent to a funeral. They even had a practice session beforehand!
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46012/ADM%2053-46012-014_0.jpg
Stoker P.O W. Webb died of injuries received at the dockyard in in Esquimalt on 22. Aug. 1916. R.i.P
Portanucis
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-78590/ADM%2053-78590-0142_0.jpg
Not exactly a burial, but someone did die.
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Stoker P.O W. Webb died of injuries received at the dockyard in in Esquimalt...
Stoker WILLIAM WEBB
155212, H.M.S. "Lancaster.", Royal Navy
who died on 22 August 1916
from the log 2nd January 1923:
Lieut-Com.r Geoffrey W. M. Hooper died in H.M.Hospital from effects of a motor car accident.
Hawkins, cruiser
HOOPER, Geoffrey W W, Lieutenant Commander, illness
Richard Owen, William Webb and Geoffrey Hooper, Rest in Peace.
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Not a burial at sea
From HMS Clio's log April 1914.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38067/C2-ADM53-38067-0098_0.jpg
Firstly "Exercised funeral escort at funeral exercise"
Then at 1.30 "Landed funeral party for burial of Stoker King"
There
has been no mention of the death of Stoker King in Clio's log so it is
not certain that he was from Clio. HMS Woodlark was alongside the
previous day for coaling, but left in the morning. Seems a bit callous
if Stoker King was from her.
As the death is pre WW1 I can find no reference in either Naval History or in the CWGC site.
RIP Stoker King, wherever you were from and wherever you are buried.
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I can't find any casualty lists for early 1914 either, but your log
says Clio is anchored alongside a "hulk" - apparently from my googling, a
permanently anchored collier. Stoker King may well have been part
of the hulk's crew, which would explain Clio's failure to log the death
but desire to attend the funeral.
Rest in Peace, Stoker King.
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Raven II, 21st April 1917
Seaplane 8018 failed to return from Ami Atoll.
Flight Lt. Smith age 22 &
Lt. Mead RNVR age 29
believed drowned.
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I
can't find any casualty lists for early 1914 either, but your log says
Clio is anchored alongside a "hulk" - apparently from my googling, a
permanently anchored collier. Stoker King may well have been part
of the hulk's crew, which would explain Clio's failure to log the death
but desire to attend the funeral.
Rest in Peace, Stoker King.
Thanks
Janet. Did you find something for the hulk Laestrygon, because I looked
all over and couldnt find anything for her? I sort of assumed she was a
British warship or steamship that had come to the end of her days.
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Only that Laestrygon was a giant son of Poseidon, which makes it an
ideal name for a ship. She may not have been an active RN ship at
any time. Googling for "hulk Hankow" did get me this:
http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuilt/viewship.asp?id=3187
SV CITY OF HANKOW
built by Alexander Stephen & Sons Glasgow, 1869
To RN (Australia squadron) and hulked 1903 at Thursday Island.
1913 sold to RAN as HMAS HANKOW for use as a hulk.
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Thanks for looking. I too thought that Laestrygon was such an
obvious name for a ship that I was almost surprised that there wasnt
one. She would have joined in well with the line at Trafalgar, with the
Bellerophon & Temeraire etc.
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Not at sea, HMS Donegal 1 Sept 1916 Liverpool
"10.0 Accidentally killed by falling into a dock, Albert Gill - Sto - ON288509.
10.30 Body of deceased sto Gill removed to mortuary."
There is a different report at:
http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1916-09Sep.htm
Donegal, cruiser
GILL, Albert, Stoker 1c, 288509 (Po), illness
Perhaps a sudden illness that caused him to collapse.
Whatever the cause, Requiescat in Pace.
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Rest in Peace, Albert Gill.
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HMS "Orcoma", 9th March 1917, 7-20 am. Committed to the deep the
body of William White, RMA with usual ceremony in 7 43N, 13
50W.
Bombardier White of the 16th Field Battery died on the previous night of Pulmonary Tuberculosis.
RIP
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That is a scary thing to have in a closed ship community - how many of his ship mates were ill?
Bombardier WILLIAM WHITE
RMA/11367, East African Expeditionary Force., Royal Marine Artillery
who died age 37 on 08 March 1917
Rest in Peace, William White.
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Some good news at last on Raven II. The two seaplane crew members who were believed drowned, have been found alive and well.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57314/ADM%2053-57314-053_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57314/ADM%2053-57314-053_1.jpg)
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That is a scary thing to have in a closed ship community - how many of his ship mates were ill?
Bombardier WILLIAM WHITE
RMA/11367, East African Expeditionary Force., Royal Marine Artillery
who died age 37 on 08 March 1917
Rest in Peace, William White.
"Orcoma"
at this time has 10-13 on the sick list every day. TB was very much the
lower deck sailor's disease. Common in the population as a whole at
this time, the close living conditions (all men still slept in a hammock
that touched that of his neighbour), dampness, the very high number of
smokers and the seaman's invariable habit of stuffing up any
ventilation, all made for ideal conditions for the passing on of TB. In
the notoriously damp HMS "Hood" between the wars, where sea water came
down the ventilators into the mess decks in any sort of a sea when
travelling fast, lower deck TB was almost endemic.
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That's still scary, more so when I know just how bad it was. I thought he was an exception.
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Some good news at last on Raven II. The two seaplane crew members who were believed drowned, have been found alive and well.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57314/ADM%2053-57314-053_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57314/ADM%2053-57314-053_1.jpg)
From the Maldives? Sounds rather like a good holiday! I wonder whether their 'accident' was exactly that?
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HMS Donegal 15 Jan. 1917 off Sierra Leone
"Held Court of Enquiry into death of Adam Boyd. Sto "
(See http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=671.msg7738#msg7738 )
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this is the kind of accident that makes a Court of Enquiry highly
beneficial - it is the kind of accident that should be prevented.
Stoker 1st Class ADAM BOYD
K/11204, H.M.S. "Donegal.", Royal Navy
who died on 14 January 1917
Rest in Peace, Adam Boyd.
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Not at sea but Tarantula sent a funeral party ashore at 4.15pm, 17th
Jun 1922 for the funeral of FE Webber Ldg Tel while she was berthed at
Hong Kong. Her colours were flown at half mast during the actual
funeral.
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I found this on Naval-History.net, although the date seems wrong:
Tuesday, 6 June 1922
Tamar, Hong Kong
WEBBER, Frederick E, Leading Telegraphist, J 27488, accidentally killed
Rest in Peace, Frederick Webber.
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HMS Orcoma, 14th July, 1917 in dock at Liverpool. Seaman M Lower,
RNR found in his cabin hanged by the neck. His body was later removed to
Bootle mortuary.
RIP Seaman Lower.
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From CWGC:
Able Seaman MORLEY LOWER
6831A, H.M.S. Orcoma, Royal Naval Reserve
who died age 30 on 14 July 1917
Son of Charles Tiller Lower and Mary Jane Lower, of Portscathoe Cornwall;
husband of Minnie Lower, of 28 Caillard Rd., Byfleet, Surrey.
Remembered with honour
LIVERPOOL (KIRKDALE) CEMETERY
Rest in Peace, Morley Lower.
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I found this on the HMS Albemarle while looking for barometers
again. I'm finding this list-organizing to be extremely
educational and interesting!
November 7th, 1915:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33201/ADM53-33201-011_1.jpg
HMS Albemarle, stores lost overboard Nov. 7th, 1915:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33201/ADM53-33201-009_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33201/ADM53-33201-006_1.jpg
Additional
log notes, describing heavy seas flooding the ship, causing the above
losses, heavy damage to the ship, and much loss of life. They were
helped into anchorage by HMS Hibernia.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33201/ADM53-33201-010_1.jpg
According to Naval-History.net, 2 more of the injured died after this log note was written.
Sunday, 7 November 1915
Albemarle, pre-Dreadnought battleship, damaged by heavy seas off northern Scotland
AIKEN, William J, Chief Petty Officer, 161866 (Po), died of injuries
ARNOLD, Arthur E, Ordinary Seaman, J 22237 (Po)
NAYLOR, David A, Able Seaman, J 18657 (Po)
NIXON, George R, Commander, drowned
STROUD, George E B, Able Seaman, 221919 (Po)
It isn't only the enemy that makes going to sea dangerous.
Rest in Peace, William Aiken, Arthur Arnold, David Naylor, George Nixon, George Stroud.
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Leading Seaman John Tidsdale, accidentally killed during hoisting
the steam cutter on HMS Juno. His body was lost with the cutter. RIP.
Link to page is: http://www.oldweather.org/classify?vessel_id=4caf870ccadfd34197019029
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Gixernutter,
I'm pretty sure that you know this and (as I do) picked the wrong url.
Confirmation of how to get the right one:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1073.0
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From the log of HMS Constance at Port of Spain, Trinidad:
Landed Party of 12 men for funeral of Regulating Petty Officer Thorne of HMS New Zealand.
From Naval-History.net and CWGC:
Monday, 19 January 1920
New Zealand, battlecruiser
THORNE, Sydney R, Regulating Petty Officer, 216932, drowned
Petty Officer SYDNEY ROBERT THORNE
216932 (Dev.), H.M.S. New Zealand, Royal Navy
who died age 35 on 19 January 1920
Husband of Jessie E. Thorne, of 160, Grenville Rd., Plymouth.
(Buried in Port of Spain (Lapeyrouse) Cemetery, Trinidad).
Sydney Thorne, rest in peace.
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A funeral party from HMS Ambrose landed to attend the funeral of the Chief Bo. of the Dock Yard.
His name was John Williams, commissioned Boatswain, died of illness (from Naval-History.net) in Hong Kong.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-70442/ADM%2053-70442-024_1.jpg
Rest in Peace John Williams, may your name be remembered forever.
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Thanks for reminding me Bunts - total brain fade. Doh!
Here's
the correct link for the page referring to the loss of the steam cutter
and the death of Leading Stoker John Tidsdale:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45467/ADM%2053-45467-005_1.jpg
And
for today's offering; Gunner G Bradshaw found shot in the Gunners Store
(just prior to C-in-C's inspection too. That must have been a shock for
the rounds party):
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45470/ADM%2053-45470-014_0.jpg
To
me, Juno does not seem to be a happy ship. Spends a lot of time tied up
alongside or moored in harbour and a lot of crew on the Sick List. Hope
things improved for them.
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From CWGC:
Leading Stoker JOHN HENRY TISDALL
311649, H.M.S. "Juno.", Royal Navy
who died age 28 on 05 February 1916
Son of Mr. and Mrs. Thomas James Tisdall, of 1, Tiber St., King's Goss;
husband of Mrs. E. M. Humphreys (formerly Tisdall), of 32, Delhi St., York Rd., King's Cross, London.
Gunner GEORGE WILLIAM BRADSHAW
H.M.S. "Juno.", Royal Navy
who died on 22 May 1916
Rest in Peace, John Tisdall and George Bradshaw.
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Juno's log, 10 November 1915: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45464/ADM%2053-45464-008_0.jpg
5:30 pm (or so): Sale of effects of Blake A.B. (deceased).
Although
I did not encounter an earlier entry in Juno's log about AB Blake's
death, I found an entry for "Charles Blake" in the Naval-History.net
casualty list
(http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCasAlpha1914-18B.htm)
BLAKE, Charles, Able Seaman, 196100, Juno, 26 October 1915, illness
May you Rest in Peace, Seaman Blake.
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HMS Changuinola, 8 September 1916
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37554/C2-ADM53-37554-063_0.jpg
11.00am Death of MAA Sidney George Newman from heart failure
4.00pm Committed to the deep the mortal remains of Sidney G Newman
From Naval History:
"NEWMAN, Sidney G, Master at Arms (RFR A 2524), 350066 (Po), Changuinola, 8 September 1916, illness"
There
doesn't seem to be any more information on the CWGC website; his age is
given as "unknown" and there is no mention of family. However,
National Archives give his date of birth as 12 March 1869, so I make
that 47 when he died.
Rest in Peace
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That is hard, 47 is young for a heat attack.
Rest in Peace, Sidney Newman and Charles Blake.
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Sadly, yet more deaths recorded in Juno's log:
13th July
1916; William Lapham, sale of his effects. Can't find entry of his death
(reported CWGC as died 24 June, of ship "Prosperine"), so may have been
transferred to Juno as they have a Staff Surgeon. See:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45472/ADM%2053-45472-009_1.jpg
18th July 1916; Stoker Manser, link: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45472/ADM%2053-45472-012_0.jpg
7
Aug 1916; Frederick Hansell, painter, died of heat & heart failure,
link:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45473/ADM%2053-45473-006_1.jpg
8
Aug 1916; Stoker Brophy, fell overboard from launch Edward Ross and was
drowned, link:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45473/ADM%2053-45473-007_0.jpg
17
Aug 1916; Writer Arthur Tullett, died from heat & septicemia on
HMHS Assaye (Hospital ship?), link:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45473/ADM%2053-45473-011_1.jpg
RIP guys.
There
are now approx 14% of the total crew on the Sick List (60). Cases of
fruit are being brought in and all the fresh water tanks have been
drained, cleaned & refilled. This is one poorly ship's crew.
'Ambient' temp is averaging mid-90s F, what conditions are like below
decks or in the machinery spaces doesn't bear contemplation. Everywhere
will be wringing wet from the humidity. Disease utopia.
Think I have had enough for tonight.
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Yes, HMHS Assaye is a hospital ship. I found her on the RN Roll of Honour pages:
http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Ships/HMTroopshipAssaye.html
Able Seaman WILLIAM JAMES LAPHAM
SS/1939, H.M.S. "Proserpine", Royal Navy
who died age 28 on 24 June 1916
Stoker 1st Class CHARLES MANSER
297651, H.M.S. "Juno.", Royal Navy
who died on 18 July 1916
Painter 1st Class FREDERICK JOHN HANSELL
165781, H.M.S. "Juno.", Royal Navy
who died age 42 on 07 August 1916
Son of Damaris Amelia Stapleton, of 77, South Clough Lane, King's Lynn, Norfolk.
Stoker 1st Class EDWARD BROPHY
K/22418, H.M.S. "Juno.", Royal Navy
who died age 26 on 08 August 1916
Son of the late William and Bridget Brophy, of Dublin.
Writer 3rd ARTHUR TULLETT
M/2763, H.M.S. "Juno.", Royal Navy
who died on 17 August 1916
Remembered with honour
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Sorry have come to this site a bit late..but had previously found a
death certificate left in log book, the ship was the Dunedin, the page
17th October1920 in Copenhagen, a Harry Briggs, Stoker Petty Officer,
official number K4487 died of heart failure following pneumonia, he had
previously be mentioned as 'being in hospital'.
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amamdury,
That was well spotted; the first one that I've seen.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-76345/ADM53-76345-018_0.jpg
And attached, the "right way up".
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There is no such thing as "late" on these, taken as a whole we have
no real timeline at all. Just, the historians on our team want
easy access to special notes and the names on them, and members like me
want to remember them with honor.
Rest in Peace, Harry Briggs.
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11am T.J. Neate reported missing search party organised.
6pm Captain held inquiry into loss of T.J.Neate.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37089/ADM53-37089-010_0.jpg
His
initials, first name in the ships log do not match those on
Naval-history.net Casualty list or the Portsmouth Naval Memorial, but
all the other details match.
http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1916-02Feb.htm
From the Portsmouth Naval Memorial
NEATE
WILLIAM JOHN 106246. (RFR/PO/A/226). HMS
Carmania.. Royal Navy. Accidentally drowned 14th February 1916. Age 53.
Son of
the late James and Sarah Neate of Bristol; husband of Eliza Neate
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Another casualty from Juno I'm sorry to say. Charles William
Donaldson Haye (ON 17439) ERA died on board 10th February 1917. Cause of
death pneumonia.
Link: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45478/ADM%2053-45478-008_0.jpg
Rest in peace Charles.
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CHARLES WILLIAM DONALDSON KAYE
Engine Room Artificer 3rd Class
M/17439, H.M.S. "Juno", Royal Navy
who died age 28 on 10 February 1917
Son of Mrs. Jane Ann Keighley (formerly Kaye), of "Gwynedd", Deganwy, Carnavonshire.
Rest in Peace, Charles Kaye.
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Found by Bunts - with a formal, handwritten death certificate:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-76345/ADM53-76345-038_0.jpg and CWGC
Able Seaman Eric William Allison
J/66121, H.M.S. "Dunedin"., Royal Navy
who died age 20 years 1 month on 24 November 1920
Son of Mr W. and Mrs B. Allison, of Manor Cottage, Boreham, Chelmsford, Essex.
Cause of Death "(a) Status Lymphaticus (b) Heart failure"
Eric Allison, rest in peace.
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Definition, Status Lymphaticus:
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/status+lymphaticus
status lympha?ticus: lymphatism.
lymphatism /lym?pha?tism/ (lim?fah-tizm):
1.(medicine, historical) Enlargement or swelling of the lymphatic
tissue, associated in the past with sudden death of children but no
longer considered to be an authentic ailment. 2.Bloating, sluggishness
Sounds like they didn't know what was infecting this young man's lymph nodes, but it was very painful.
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HMS Armadale Castle 13 April 1918 Brooklyn
HEATH, Albert, age 26 years, Assistant Steward, MMR, 470262,
died (acute alcoholic poisoning)
NEW YORK CITY RIDGEWOOD (LINDEN HILL) CEMETERY
R.I.P. Mr. Heath
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HMS Armadale Castle 13 April 1918 Brooklyn
HEATH, Albert, age 26 years, Assistant Steward, MMR, 470262,
died (acute alcoholic poisoning)
NEW YORK CITY RIDGEWOOD (LINDEN HILL) CEMETERY
R.I.P. Mr. Heath
Huh, I got that page too. ???
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Huh, I got that page too. ???
Yeah ...
Mrs
B has been working on her laptop, so I've spent ... some time looking
over her shoulder and issuing helpful instructions. (Looks like I'll be
making my own tea tonight.)
The page must have been loaded for me
long enough for the machinery to decide nothing was happening and
offered it to you. Then when I got a minute and returned to my machine,
it accepted the data I entered. It might be interesting to know whether
one set of data overwrote the other, was discarded or accepted in
addition. Not that it makes a lot of difference - the world seems to be
still turning.
;D
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Huh, I got that page too. ???
Yeah ...
Mrs
B has been working on her laptop, so I've spent ... some time looking
over her shoulder and issuing helpful instructions. (Looks like I'll be
making my own tea tonight.)
The page must have been loaded for me
long enough for the machinery to decide nothing was happening and
offered it to you. Then when I got a minute and returned to my machine,
it accepted the data I entered. It might be interesting to know whether
one set of data overwrote the other, was discarded or accepted in
addition. Not that it makes a lot of difference - the world seems to be
still turning.
;D
I just hope yours is accepted; you handwriting-reading skills are much better than mine! ;D
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I just hope yours is accepted; you handwriting-reading skills are much better than mine! ;D
You are only saying that because it's true. ;D ;D
Young eyes v experienced eyes; tough call. ;)
Just be careful not to wear yours out. They've got to last a long time.
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HMS Woodlark 29 Sept 1919 "at sea" near Wongshee Kong
"8.30 Chinese stoker A.H. Sim died from result of accident"
R.I.P. Mr Sim
2 Oct 1919 at Hankow
"Court of Inquiry into death of Chinese Stoker on board HMS Gnat"
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From Naval-History.net:
Woodlark, river gunboat
SIM, Ah, Stoker, (no service number listed), drowned
Rest in Peace, Ah Sim.
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John Cope, stoker fell overboard and was lost
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38670/ADM%2053-38670-013_0.jpg
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From HMS Ophir, 0430, 27th of December 1915, en route from Gibraltar to Lanzarote.
Eng. Lt Rankin reported Charles Harris, Fireman to be missing. Ship searched without success, presumed to have fallen overboard.
RIP Charles Harris.
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HMS Moorhen,
(Naval History.net)
Henry T. SIMS, Stoker 1c, K 22447 (Ch),
Died, illness in Hong Kong hospital.
R.I.P Mr Sims.
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I know this is not quite what we usually post here, but it seems appropriate to me, somehow:
Killed
at the Pentagon, 9/11/2001, Angela M. Houtz, Naval Intelligence
Analyst. She was a very nice young woman with a bright future
ahead of her and she made my children laugh.
Rest In Peace Angela.
Kathy W.
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I hadn't like to ask about any personal connections.
It's nice that she is remembered, here, for her personal qualities as well as her professional association.
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Thanks Bunts - I did not know Angela all that well - she was
however, a close friend of one of my closest friends, and had come to
our house for a party. She played with my children, and was all
around a very nice young woman. Her loss was hard on my friend -
he was her mentor at Naval Intelligence, and so I feel like I got to
know her after her death thru him because he talked about her a
lot.
Kathy W.
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Maurice Goddard, lost overboard,
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38677/ADM%2053-38677-011_0.jpg
9/11/2001
was remembered here in my village in Dorset. When I looked out of my
window earlier today one of the boys football (soccer) team teams were
holding a match and before they started both teams lined up and held two
minutes silence.
P.S.
Remains recovered of Private Goddard RMLI
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38677/ADM%2053-38677-011_1.jpg
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Rest in peace, Private Goddard.
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From CWGC and http://www.9-11heroes.us/
Private M A GODDARD
PLY/11777, H.M.S. "Cornwall.", Royal Marine Light Infantry
who died on 16 September 1916
Angela Houtz
27 years old. Residence: La Plata, Md.
Died in Pentagon
Rest in Peace, Maurice Goddard and Angela Houtz
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-56122/ADM%2053-56122-004_1.jpg
HMS Pyramus, 3rd March 1918, whilst in Bombay dockyard with the
crew stationed on shore, records
'Frederick John Brooking, Stoker 1 cl O.N K 35684,
accidentally drowned in Reservoir at Jgatpuri.
The CWGC site notes that his name is recorded on the Kirkee 1914 - 1918 Memorial
in Kirkee Cemetery, Poona, India.
May he rest in peace.
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HMS Juno again; 23 April 1918; Bosun, Mr G Williams died suddenly. RIP.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45489/ADM%2053-45489-014_1.jpg
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67722/ADM%2053-67722-011_1.jpg
HMS Virginian, in a Dry Dock at Liverpool, on the 17th December 1916.
'7.55 Kinnard (Seaman) found dead in dry dock ---- side brought on board.
3.15 Removed the body of Kennard Seaman RNVR to Princes Dock mortuary'
Naval-history.net has the following, so the second spelling of the surname would be the correct one.
'Virginian, armed merchant cruiser
KENNARD, George, Able Seaman, RNVR, Sussex 5/171, accident'
May he rest in peace.
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HMS Mantua, 5 Aug 1914, J Anderson AB age 25 no a2235 died. Body
committed to deep lat 61 45N, long 12 34W. May he rest in peace.
(http://www.oldweather.org/classify/edit/4e77afcd86eceb402d0016a4)
This may have been 1915, despite the date on the page since the surrounding pages are 1915 not 1914.
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6 Jun 1916, HMS Marmora recorded the death of Thomas O'Brien AB.
Nationality Irish, cause of death multiple injuries. Thomas was on S/S
"N" or possibly "M" (The handwriting is tricky) and Marmora was at
anchor somewhere (they never specify) but probably somewhere off W.
Africa.
They landed his body for interment on 7th June with a funeral party in attendance.
RIP Thomas O'brien
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HMS Carlisle
Wednesday, 10 November, 1920
Deceased: Frederick William Horner, Chief Petty Officer, Royal Navy, Official Number 199744.
Cause of Death: Accidental drowning whilst on duty sailing ship's boat in Manila Harbour.
RIP.
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HMS Bramble 5th May 1918 Koweit Bay
"11.0 Corp Wilson R.E. brought on board for surgical treatment.
4.0 Corpl. Wilson R.E. transferred to Lawrence for passage to Busra.
5.15 Body of Late Corpl. Wilson R.E. brought on board. "
6th May 1918
5.30 "Body of Late Corpl. Wilson R.E. and Funeral Party landed.
8.15 Funeral party returned. "
R.I.P. Corporal Wilson
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Posted by amamdury here (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=718.msg27509#msg27509).
H.M.S. Marmora 17.11.1916
Alfred Sargent of mv M.M. departed this life. Cause of death fever. Official number MMR 851066
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48589/ADM%2053-48589-011_1.jpg
Alfred Sargent f.m. M.M.
HMS Marmora 18.11.1916. Committed the remains of A.Sargent of mv. to the deep with Church of England rites.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48589/ADM%2053-48589-012_0.jpg
R.I.P. Alfred Sargent
Alfred Sargent f.m.
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HMS Lancaster, off the West Coast of Chile 20th Feb 1918
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46029/ADM%2053-46029-013_0.jpg
09.00 Stopped.
09.20 Held funeral service and funeral of late Able Seaman Thomas RFR
and from the Naval Casualties list:
19th February 1918.
Lancaster, cruiser
THOMAS, Alfred, Able Seaman (RFR B 5746), 182101 (Ch), illness
There is no position given for his funeral but at 12 N the same day they were at 19 49S, 78 36W
RIP Alfred Thomas.
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I think in reply #377 the 7.55 entry reads:
'...Ports [sic] side brought inboard.[sic]'
Hope this helps!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-67722/ADM%2053-67722-011_1.jpg
HMS Virginian, in a Dry Dock at Liverpool, on the 17th December 1916.
'7.55 Kinnard (Seaman) found dead in dry dock ---- side brought on board.
3.15 Removed the body of Kennard Seaman RNVR to Princes Dock mortuary'
Naval-history.net has the following, so the second spelling of the surname would be the correct one.
'Virginian, armed merchant cruiser
KENNARD, George, Able Seaman, RNVR, Sussex 5/171, accident'
May he rest in peace.
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HMS Crocus 23 November 1922:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74527/ADM%2053-74527-160_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74527/ADM%2053-74527-160_1.jpg)
Can't make out all the words:
"0740 Stopped. Read the Burial Service and buried the late H.R. Bidcall ERA. in position 23 51.5 N 60 10.0 E"
More
information - I received the log page for the 22 November 1922 after
completing the page for 23 November 1922. This explains the death of
Henry Richard Boxall.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74527/ADM%2053-74527-161_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74527/ADM%2053-74527-161_0.jpg)
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HMS Marmora 25th November 1916
Effects of A Sargent, F~ deceased, sold by auction
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48589/ADM%2053-48589-015_1.jpg
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Hi
I looked your casualty up on the Naval Casualty Lists. http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1916-11Nov.htm
For 17th November 1916 it has the following.
Marmora, armed merchant cruiser
SARGENT, Alfred, Fireman, MMR, 851066, illness
RIP Alfred Sargent.
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HMS Bramble 4 August 1918 Henjam
"12.14 Ali Mohamed Seedie DD. Acute haemorrhagic pancreatitis
4.25 Body of Ali Mohamed Seedie left ship for burial on shore."
RIP Mr Ali Mohamed
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Bunts
I was just going to post in the handwriting help whether
the word was 'Seedie' [ill person] or 'Sudie' [Sudanese person], and I
read your post - spooky!
HMS Perth 14 Jun 1918 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-55095/ADM%2053-55095-010_0.jpg)
One Seedie dis: to hospital
Now, having read your post, my query has changed to: is it 'One' or 'Mr' (or something else...).
Either way it seems highly possible that this is your A M Seedie?
Acute
pancreatitis is a pretty painful condition - this 'Perth' post was 6
weeks before he died. I hope they gave him plenty of morphine in his
last illness.
RIP.
HMS Bramble 4 August 1918 Henjam
"12.14 Ali Mohamed Seedie DD. Acute haemorrhagic pancreatitis
4.25 Body of Ali Mohamed Seedie left ship for burial on shore."
RIP Mr Ali Mohamed
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Heffkit
This has come up before and confused lots of people...
From WiKi:
Seedies and
Kroomen (also Kroumen or Krumen) were African sailors recruited locally
into the British Royal Navy in the 19th and early 20th century.
The
Kroomen were experienced fishermen from the Kroo or Kru tribe in Sotta
Krou, in what is now Liberia in West Africa. Because of their knowledge
of the west African coast they were sometimes employed as pilots.
Horatio Bridge, a USN officer in the 1840s, described them as follows:
"The Kroomen are indispensable in carrying on
the
commerce and maritime business of the African coast. When a Kroo-boat
comes alongside, you may buy the canoe, hire the men at a moment's
warning, and retain them in your service for months. They expend no time
nor trouble in providing their equipment, since it consists merely of a
straw hat and a piece of white or colored cotton girded about their
loins. In their canoes, they deposit these girdles in the crowns of
their hats; nor is it unusual, when a shower threatens them on shore, to
see them place this sole garment in the same convenient receptacle, and
then make for shelter. When rowing a boat, or paddling a canoe, it is
their custom to sing; and, as the music goes on, they seem to become
invigorated, applying their strength cheerfully, and with limbs as
unwearied as their voices. One of their number leads in recitative, and
the whole company respond in the chorus. The subject of the song is a
recital of the exploits of the men, their employments, their intended
movements, the news of the coast, and the character of their employers.
It is usual, in these extemporary strains, for the Kroomen attached to a
man-of-war to taunt, with good-humored satire, their friends who are
more laboriously employed in merchant vessels, and not so well fed and
paid." [1]
"Their object in leaving home, and entering into the
service of navigators, is generally to obtain the means of purchasing
wives, the number of whom constitutes a man's importance. The sons of
"gentlemen" (for there is such a distinction of rank among them) never
labor at home, but do not hesitate to go away, for a year or two, and
earn something to take to their families. On the return of these
wanderers--not like the prodigal son, but bringing wealth to their
kindred--great rejoicings are instituted. A bullock is killed by the
head of the family, guns are fired, and two or three days are spent in
the performance of various plays and dances. The "boy" gives all his
earnings to his father, and places himself again under the parental
authority. The Krooman of maturer age, on his return from an expedition
of this kind, buys a wife, or perhaps more than one, and distributes the
rest of his accumulated gains among his relatives. In a week, he has
nothing left but his wives and his house."
The Seedies (the name
comes from a Hindi word (sidi)) were mostly employed in less skilled
jobs. They were Muslim, and the navy recruited them from ports on the
Indian Ocean, primarily from Zanzibar and the Seychelles. Some seem to
have been ex-slaves.
One example of a Royal Navy ship of the line
they served on was HMS London, which was stationed in Zanzibar bay
between 1878 and 1883 where she helped suppress the Slave Trade.
Kroomen
and Seedies normally served on three-year contracts. When released from
their contract many of these people settled in various parts of the
British Empire.
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Thanks v much, randi_2, for your exhaustive and fascinating explanation :)
It just goes to show:
a) how easy it is to put 2 and 2 together and get 22 (instead of 4!) :-[ , and
b) how much amazing arcane knowledge one can learn from the inhabitants of this forum!! :D
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oh, you have yet to scratch the surface of the little known we have learned here - ;D
Kathy W.
And the lengths we will go to learn it! ;D
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Recorded while on HMS Yarmouth, 23 August 1914, at 35 03 N, 122 00 E
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69166/ADM%2053-69166-008_1.jpg):
"Kennet" performed burial service of 3 men killed in action
We
have HMS Kennet's logs, but not all of them, and a random shuffling
through didn't find the page for this date, so I have no further
details.
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heffkit,
One thing I would add to Randy's excellent exposition:
another source of labour: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lascar
"A
lascar (Lashkar, Laskar) (Persian: لشکر) and (Bengali) was a sailor or
militiaman from the Indian Subcontinent or other countries east of the
Cape of Good Hope, employed on European ships from the 16th century
until the beginning of the 20th century. The word comes from the Persian
Lashkar, meaning military camp or army, and al-askar, the Arabic word
for a guard or soldier. The Portuguese adapted this term to lascarim,
meaning an Asian militiaman or seaman, especially those from the Indian
Subcontinent. Lascars served on British ships under 'lascar' agreements.
These agreements allowed shipowners more control than was the case in
ordinary articles of agreement. The sailors could be transferred from
one ship to another and retained in service for up to three years at one
time. The name lascar was also used to refer to Indian servants,
typically engaged by British military officers."
As to the other prong of your query: I believe your first thought was correct i.e. "One".
Your
knowledge of the prognosis of the illness is superior to mine but, if
the hospital diagnosis had been accurate, I doubt that he would have
been discharged to a modest gunboat where medical facilities would have
been limited. I have no inkling of the number of local men employed
about RN and MM ships in the area, but I fancy it would be in thousands
rather than hundreds. The likelihood that it was the same chap seems (to
me) remote, but stranger things happen at sea.
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And yet more... thanks, Bunts!
- I will indeed keep scratching at the surface, it's a definite case of pruritus :D
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Recorded
while on HMS Yarmouth, 23 August 1914, at 35 03 N, 122 00 E
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-69166/ADM%2053-69166-008_1.jpg):
"Kennet" performed burial service of 3 men killed in action
We
have HMS Kennet's logs, but not all of them, and a random shuffling
through didn't find the page for this date, so I have no further
details.
shippeb,
from http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1914-08Aug.htm
"Saturday, 22 August 1914
Kennet,
old destroyer, damaged in action with German destroyer in Yellow Sea
(most sources give the date of action as the 23rd, but the Admiralty
Communiqu? confirms the 22nd), one rating died of wounds on 25th
(official account lists a second man died of wounds, but not in the Navy
List)
ARMSTRONG, John, Able Seaman, J 3996 (Ch)
JAMES, David, Petty Officer, 183045 (Dev)
RYAN, John J, Able Seaman, SS 3609 (Ch)"
From the Commonwealth Graves Commission:
"John ARMSTRONG age 22 years.
David JAMES age 38 years
John James RYAN age unknown "
Rest in Peace, Gentlemen.
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shippeb,
from http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1914-08Aug.htm
"Saturday, 22 August 1914
Kennet,
old destroyer, damaged in action with German destroyer in Yellow Sea
(most sources give the date of action as the 23rd, but the Admiralty
Communiqu? confirms the 22nd), one rating died of wounds on 25th
(official account lists a second man died of wounds, but not in the Navy
List)
ARMSTRONG, John, Able Seaman, J 3996 (Ch)
JAMES, David, Petty Officer, 183045 (Dev)
RYAN, John J, Able Seaman, SS 3609 (Ch)"
From the Commonwealth Graves Commission:
"John ARMSTRONG age 22 years.
David JAMES age 38 years
John James RYAN age unknown "
Rest in Peace, Gentlemen.
Thanks for tracking that down! I hadn't even thought to check over there.
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HMS Cornwall - 31st December 1916
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38680/ADM%2053-38680-018_1.jpg
ah On - Chinese Domestic - Departed this Life
RIP ah On
Next day :
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38681/ADM%2053-38681-003_1.jpg
10.45 Half masted Colours
10.50 Landed remains of Ah On for burial
11.45 Rehoisted Colours
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HMS Juno again; Ordinary Seaman Arthur Edward Jackson died onboard,
'from blood poisoning filling abcess in neck.' Doesn't say how he got
blood poisoning though. Only 19 years old, tragic loss for his family.
Link to page:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45490/ADM%2053-45490-018_1.jpg
RIP Arthur Jackson.
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Hello Gixernutter!
I wonder whether it is 'Disease blood poisoning foll'ng (i.e. 'following') abscess in neck'.
That would make sense in a pre-antibiotic era: tonsillitis, tonsillar abscess, septicemia, death.
RIP OS AE Jackson.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-66568/ADM%2053-66568-004_0.jpg
7.15pm slowed both engines to search for man lost overboard from HMS Mosquito
naval-history.net casualty list for 2 Feb 1915 as the following entry:-
Mosquito, destroyer
WHITEFIELD, Henry, Stoker 1c, K 14821, drowned
RIP Henry Whitefield
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Hello Gixernutter!
I wonder whether it is 'Disease blood poisoning foll'ng (i.e. 'following') abscess in neck'.
That would make sense in a pre-antibiotic era: tonsillitis, tonsillar abscess, septicemia, death.
RIP OS AE Jackson.
Hi Heffkit, thanks for correcting me on that, your explanation makes a lot more sense than mine!
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My pleasure, Gixernutter - I'm still very much in debit on the help
front in this forum, so it's great to be able to return a favour for
once! :)
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Here is a burial from HMS Waymouth of the east coast of Africa
(http://)http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-68441/ADM%2053-68441-026_0.jpg
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Thanks Ian.
Timothy McCarthy, leading seaman, HMS Goliath
Walter George Fitzjohn, leading seaman
RIP
On navalhistory.net
FITZJOHN, Walter G, Leading Seaman, 228785 (Ch), Weymouth, 10 November 1914, killed
McCARTHY, Timothy, Leading Seaman, 220297 (Dev), Goliath, 10 November 1914, died in Kenya
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-35275/ADM%2053-35275-008_0.jpg
?Berwick?, 10 January, 1917 records
Departed this life in R.N. Hospital, Bermuda Job Manning Mate (T) of this ship
From Naval-History
MANNING, Job H, Mate, Berwick, 10 January 1917, DOI
Not found in CWGC Site
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-35275/ADM%2053-35275-012_0.jpg
From the log of ?Berwick? in Bermuda 18 January, 1917
Court of Inquiry concerning the causes attending the accident to the Late Job Manning Mate (T) held on board
lgb
Further update
?Berwick?
had arrived in Bermuda late afternoon 25 December and the log records
that Job Manning was discharged to Hospital on 27 December.
No mention is made in the logs of an accident.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-35274/ADM%2053-35274-018_1.jpg
lgb
27 January, 1917
Sale of the effects of the late Job Manning
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-35275/ADM%2053-35275-016_1.jpg
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HMS Leviathan, in port, Halifax, Nova Scotia
March 3, 1918
Departed this life Joseph Smith, P.O., invalid for passage to England, HMS Carnarvon
March 4, 1918
Landed the remains of the late Joseph Smith, P.O. for interment.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46574/ADM%2053-46574-099_0.jpg
RIP
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HMS Bramble Basrah 1918
20 October
HASSAN, Jama, Seedie, (no service number listed), illness
23 October
MAHMOOD, Mohamed, Seedie, (no service number listed), illness
27 October
GATES, William C, Chief Petty Officer, 187972, illness
28 October
JENKINS, Edwin G, Shipwright 1c, 345858, illness
Rest in Peace, Gentlemen.
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4 deaths from 'illness' in 8 days, in late 1918...
Now that sounds like the pandemic influenza, Bunts.
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Halifax, NS, 28th October 1917, HMS "Victorian".
At 1130am, the
corpse of Tel. WB Davidson was brought on board to await removal and the
undertakers removed him in the afternoon. A funeral party landed the
next day and a Court of Inquiry was convened on the 30th to inquire into
his death, although as usual their findings are not recorded in the
log.
RIP Tel. WB Davidson.
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8-00 W.Gilbert Sto 2nd Class Lost his life
3-40 Buried remains of J.W.Gilbert Sto 2nd Class
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38689/ADM53-38689-008_0.jpg
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=3046125
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HMS Perth, 1 Oct 1918
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-55099/ADM%2053-55099-003_1.jpg)*,
sailing to Milford Haven from Gibraltar (near 45 12N 11 24W)
1.20 [pm] Engaged submarine with Gunfire Range 8800-4800 yards Sub Lieut Stevenson RNR Killed
5.30 [pm] Submarine disappeared Ast Pay C Male RNR Killed
[~8pm] Port Fore Bridge Deck Awning destroyed in Action Remnants used for Burial at sea Lieut Stevenson and of Paymaster Maile
(mentioned in naval-history.net here (http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1918-10Oct.htm) - U139 cited as attacking submarine)
RIP Frederick F A Stevenson and Charles G Maile
*click date for page image
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6.15 am Lost overboard and 11.30am burial service held for J.Forsyth Stoker 1st Class
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38690/ADM%2053-38690-008_0.jpg
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=3046094
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0.45 Horace White A.S.B.A. M 10453 departed this life. Cause of death: Pneumonia.
10.0 Horace White A.S.B.A. buried at sea Lat 20 13 N Long 27 10 W
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53904/ADM%2053-53904-012_1.jpg
Rest in Peace Horace White.
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A burial in India.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-72752/ADM%2053-72752-162_1.jpg
Departed this life in Colaba War Hospital, Bombay, Frank Edward Pellett, ordinary seaman. Cause of death 'Empyema'.
HMS
Caroline's log has no record of OS Pellett's burial but he is
remembered here: http://twgpp.org/information.php?id=2962781.
Buried at Kirkee 1914-1918 Memorial Cemetery, India.
navalhistory.net: PELLET, Frank E, Ordinary Seaman, J 94860, illness
RIP
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From HMS Virginian, 24th August 1917, in Lough Swilly, N.Ireland,
'Corpse of Leading Fireman McGuffick + funeral party ashore'
From Naval-history-net for the 21st August 1917,
'Virginian, armed merchant cruiser, torpedoed and damaged by U.102 off NW Ireland
CHEGWIN, Arthur, Greaser, MMR, (no service number listed)
MCGUFFICK, Hance, Greaser, MMR, 654651
PILSON, Henry, Engineer's Storekeeper, MMR, 621176'
I have yet to see Henry Pilson and Arthur Chegwin named in the logbook, but may all three rest in peace.
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HMS Juno, 26th July 1918; AB (presumably Able Seaman and not his
initials) Drawbridge died at 6am in military hospital (Colombo, Sri
Lanka). No mention of cause of death.
Link to page:- http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45492/ADM%2053-45492-016_0.jpg
RIP AB Drawbridge.
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From Naval-History.net
(http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1918-07Jul.htm) and The National
Archive
(http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/browse-refine.asp?CatID=15&searchType=browserefine&pagenumber=1&query=):
Juno, old light cruiser
DRAWBRIDGE, Louis Spencer, Able Seaman, J 3976, illness
Age 27, born Greenwich, London.
Rest in peace, Louis Drawbridge.
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HMS Bristol - 30 April 1919
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-36164/ADM%2053-36164-063_1.jpg
3:30am - Ldg Sto Stevens died of pneumonia following Spanish influenza.
8:40am - Weighed + proceeded out of St. Vincent
9:50am - Stopped
10:00am - Read burial Service of Ldg Sto Stevens Pos Lat 17 00N Long 24 52.5W
10:10am - Proceeded back to St Vincent
11:42am - came to Port anchor
* I think it tells us something that a Light Cruiser puts out to sea for 3 hours solely to perform a burial *
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Naval-History.net : STEVENS, Albert E, Leading Stoker, 201785 (Po), Bristol, 30 April 1919, illness
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7.10AM (9.10 GMT) Arthur Morris, trimmer (No. 261 M.M.R) died. Cause
of death Pneumonia. Position: Lat 44 22 N. Long. 36 30 W
10.55 (1.20 GMT) Arthur Morris, trimmer, buried at sea. Position: 44 22 N 38 8 W
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53908/ADM%2053-53908-009_0.jpg
Rest In Peace Arthur Morris.
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HMS Juno in Colombo, Ceylon; 26 Sept 1918 at 7pm death of Arthur
Warren Ordinary Seaman, occurred in hospital; aged 28 years old. No
reason for death given, assume illness.
Link: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45494/ADM%2053-45494-016_0.jpg
RIP Arthur Warren.
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HMS
Juno in Colombo, Ceylon; 26 Sept 1918 at 7pm death of Arthur Warren
Ordinary Seaman, occurred in hospital; aged 28 years old. No reason for
death given, assume illness.
Link: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45494/ADM%2053-45494-016_0.jpg
RIP Arthur Warren.
WARREN, Arthur A, Ordinary Seaman, J 62470, illness
http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1918-09Sep.htm
Buried
(http://www.cwgc.org/search/SearchResults.aspx?surname=warren&initials=a&war=1&yearfrom=1918&yearto=1918&force=Navy&nationality=6&send.x=23&send.y=13)COLOMBO
(KANATTE) GENERAL CEMETERY
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HMS
Juno in Colombo, Ceylon; 26 Sept 1918 at 7pm death of Arthur Warren
Ordinary Seaman, occurred in hospital; aged 28 years old. No reason for
death given, assume illness.
Link: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45494/ADM%2053-45494-016_0.jpg
RIP Arthur Warren.
WARREN, Arthur A, Ordinary Seaman, J 62470, illness
http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1918-09Sep.htm
Buried
(http://www.cwgc.org/search/SearchResults.aspx?surname=warren&initials=a&war=1&yearfrom=1918&yearto=1918&force=Navy&nationality=6&send.x=23&send.y=13)COLOMBO
(KANATTE) GENERAL CEMETERY
Thanks
Bunts, thought it might have been illness as no accidents reported in
logs and ship has been in Colombo for refit since August. Still a very
sickly ship though, went from having 1 on sick list to 20 in 3 days.
Plenty of the crew are also discharged to hospital - either ashore or
afloat. Very glad conditions radically improved before I joined up!
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HMS
Juno in Colombo, Ceylon; 26 Sept 1918 at 7pm death of Arthur Warren
Ordinary Seaman, occurred in hospital; aged 28 years old. No reason for
death given, assume illness.
Link: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45494/ADM%2053-45494-016_0.jpg
RIP Arthur Warren.
WARREN, Arthur A, Ordinary Seaman, J 62470, illness
http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1918-09Sep.htm
Buried
(http://www.cwgc.org/search/SearchResults.aspx?surname=warren&initials=a&war=1&yearfrom=1918&yearto=1918&force=Navy&nationality=6&send.x=23&send.y=13)COLOMBO
(KANATTE) GENERAL CEMETERY
Thanks
Bunts, thought it might have been illness as no accidents reported in
logs and ship has been in Colombo for refit since August. Still a very
sickly ship though, went from having 1 on sick list to 20 in 3 days.
Plenty of the crew are also discharged to hospital - either ashore or
afloat. Very glad conditions radically improved before I joined up!
The
illness wicht caused Arthur Warren's death might have been the spanish
flu. That would also explain the rapidly increasing number of sick men
and all those discharged to hospital. As far as I have seen on different
ships I transcribed, the situation went back to normal after two weeks.
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Thanks
Bunts, thought it might have been illness as no accidents reported in
logs and ship has been in Colombo for refit since August. Still a very
sickly ship though, went from having 1 on sick list to 20 in 3 days.
Plenty of the crew are also discharged to hospital - either ashore or
afloat. Very glad conditions radically improved before I joined up!
If that's as bad as you get, HMS Juno got off lightly.
HMS Bramble had (probably) more than half her crew afflicted:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=209.msg28111#msg28111
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HMS Bristol - 12 May 1919
5:30am - AB Roberts - Died of Influenza followed by Pneumonia.
9:45am - Stopped Port Engine Held burial Service of AB Roberts Pos Lat 31 30N Long 10 30W
From http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1919aa.htm
Bristol, 2nd class cruiser
ROBERTS, Albert S, Able Seaman, J 44650 (Ch), illness
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HMS Bristol - 13 May 1919
1:05am - Victor Cranor Cks mate - Died of Pneumonia following Influenza
9:38am - Held burial service of Victor Cranor CKs mate pos. 35 2.5N, 6 55W
From http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1919aa.htm
Bristol, 2nd class cruiser
CRANER, Victor, Cook's Mate, M 10421 (Po), illness
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HMS Berwick, Cruiser
10 October 1916
Reginald Beavis, Leading Stoker
Committed to the deep: Lat 15 03N Long 41 40W
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19th January, 1919 Berwick is at Ancon and records:
Death of Cecil Kitching, Stoker 2nd Class, Royal Navy, due to drowning, K54025, 19 years on Jan 5 1919
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-35298/ADM53-35298-014_0.jpg
Following day a search was mounted for his body
On 23 January Berwick returned to Callao with no record of a body being recovered
lgb
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HMS Sapphire 8th May 1915 Gallipoli
Read burial service & buried Pte F. Eckersley No.1430. D.Coy 5th Lancs Fusiliers who died of wounds
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59130/ADM%2053-59130-006_0.jpg
CWGC has this
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=695606
Service number is correct but they give his date of death 5 days later
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HMS Sapphire 8th May 1915 Gallipoli
Read burial service & buried Pte F. Eckersley No.1430. D.Coy 5th Lancs Fusiliers who died of wounds
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59130/ADM%2053-59130-006_0.jpg
CWGC has this
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=695606
Service number is correct but they give his date of death 5 days later
O Powers that Be...
when
there is a discrepancy like this in the records - is someone from the
other website notified so that their records can be changed? We're
obviously working from a reliable source on which to base the change
upon...
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I have sent a note to CWGC via the Contact Us link on their web site pointing out the discrepancy in dates
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Thanks
Bunts, thought it might have been illness as no accidents reported in
logs and ship has been in Colombo for refit since August. Still a very
sickly ship though, went from having 1 on sick list to 20 in 3 days.
Plenty of the crew are also discharged to hospital - either ashore or
afloat. Very glad conditions radically improved before I joined up!
If that's as bad as you get, HMS Juno got off lightly.
HMS Bramble had (probably) more than half her crew afflicted:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=209.msg28111#msg28111
Things
did improve greatly towards the end of the war, as in summer 1915, Juno
had over 160 on the Sick List out of a compliment of 450. The Admiralty
attached 2 surgeons to the ship (1 for officers and 1 for ratings!) and
made sure fresh fruit, veg & lime juice was regularly sent to the
ship. Periodically, they also sent large parts of the crew ashore to
camps for R & R (rest & recuperation).
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HMS Juno, 12th November 1918, no details of who died, but funeral
party landed. link:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45496/ADM%2053-45496-009_0.jpg
Could it be for ex-crew member on different ship?
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When in port, many of our ships have sent out funeral parties for
some other ship's crew member. I think it just comes from a sense
of community and respect.
if you know what ships are in the same
port as you are, you may be able to name someone from the
Naval-History.net site, but we have been known to send out funeral
parties for French or other nationalities' ships.
http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1918-06Jun.htm
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Constance is in Montreal and records
14th September, 1923
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74052/ADM%2053-74052-136_0.jpg
Information
received that Marine Sydney Saunders O.N. Ch.13829 died at 2350 today
in Notre Dame Hospital from injuries received when knocked down by a
street car on 11/9/23
17th September, 1923
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74052/ADM%2053-74052-137_1.jpg
Landed Funeral Party for funeral of Marine Saunders at Mount Royal Cemetery
lgb
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Otranto is crossing the Atlantic, on 14th July 1918 records:
Charles
Arthur Leonard Riggall. Aged 26 Lea/Sea RNR Off. No. 5052A
died. Cause:- acute lobar pneumonia. 42 38 N 37 02 W
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54138/ADM%2053-54138-010_0.jpg
Buried at sea the following day:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-54138/ADM%2053-54138-010_1.jpg
I
suspect this might have been the flu epidemic - there have been
unusually high numbers on the sick list this month - from 1 on the 1st,
to a maximum of 22 on the 10th.
Rest in peace.
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HMS Cumberland, 15 Mar 1918 at sea (North Atlantic)
"8.0am Dischd. Dead, Alfred James Roberts, male, age 39yrs 8 months, leadg. Sto. RN, British, HMS Cumberland. Pneumonia.
4.45; 41 10N. 49 25W. Funeral Service & committed to the deep the remains of the late Alfrded J. Roberts."
R.I.P. Mr. Roberts
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10th September, 1916, HMS "Thistle".
Landing party returned with the body of AB James Howes, RNR 4905, killed (at) Ras Samarino(?), G.E.A.
Seaman Howes was buried ashore later in the day.
I don't know what GEA stands for. Anybody? Something Enemy Action?
RIP AB James Howes, RNR
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Whereabouts are you? Not German East Africa?
That looks right:
http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1916-09Sep.htm
"GERMAN EAST AFRICA
Thistle, gunboat
HOWES, James, Seaman, RNR, B 4905 "
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Good one, thanks!
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HMS Princess 21 May 17 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-55868/Z1-ADM53-55868-013_1.jpg)
6.10
In pos {Lat 25 52 S Long 35 10 E} Stopped engines, and committed the
body of "Abrahim Abdalluh", native servant, to the deep.
6.14 Proceeded on course.
R.I.P. Abrahim Abdullah
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HMS Thistle 25 Dec 1916 off East Africa
Jai Bin Torbeto, or according to:
http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1916-12Dec.htm
TORBEBO, Jai B, Seedie, (no service number listed), illness
Buried Lat. 18 46S Long. 37 17E
R.I.P. Mr Jai Bin Torbebo.
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HMS Marmora is now complete; the last log page available, to me, was
the 30th June 1918.Some three weeks after that date, on the 23rd July
1918, the Marmora was torpedoed and sunk with the loss of several
lives.This, with thanks, is the Naval-history-net entry for that event,
'Marmora, armed merchant cruiser, torpedoed and sunk by UB.64 off S Ireland
ASTON, David J, Fireman, MMR, 920164
DALTRY, Arthur G, Able Seaman, J 34349 (Ch)
FITZGERALD, Thomas, Fireman, MMR, 934652
GALLAGHER, Edward, Leading Fireman, MMR, 867246
GAMMIDGE, Edward, Able Seaman, J 35031 (Ch)
HEDLEY, Albert, Trimmer, MMR, 949531
LINDSAY, Albert J, Trimmer, MMR, 965366
MORRIS, Arthur, Fireman, MMR, 908573
STEED, John A, Able Seaman (RFR B 3760), 192397 (Ch)
STEWART, Edward, Fireman, MMR, 883657'
May they all rest in peace.
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HMS Diana, on the 19th July 1917, in Rangoon Harbour,
'F.C. Harvey, Stoker Pensioner RFR, fell overboard from launch 'CAMEO'
while proceeding on board from leave & was drowned'
From Naval-history-net,
'Diana, old light cruiser
HARVEY, Frederick C, Stoker 1c (RFR A 3881), 161446 (Dev), died in Burma'
Rest in Peace.
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HMS Juno, 11th December 1915, in Bushire; AB Raynor died on board at
7-15pm. Link:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-45465/ADM%2053-45465-008_1.jpg
Not sure if he is the fever case taken on from HMS Bramble or one of the 18 on sick list.
RIP AB Raynor.
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From Naval History - Net
Juno, old light cruiser
Rayner, Maurice J, Able Seaman, J 26959, died in Iran (Persia)
Rest in Peace
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From the log of HMS Rinaldo. 13th December, 1918.
(This is not burial at sea but someone died)
8:50AM "W. H. Wills PO 1st Class ON 200.149 departed this life"
11AM "Funeral party at firing exercise"
4PM "Funeral party landed for burial of W. H. Wills Po 1st Class"
5:20PM "The earthly remains of W. H. Wills Po 1st Class interred in Saldanha Cemetery. Funeral party returned on board"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57918/ADM%2053-57918-010_0.jpg
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HMS Bristol - 4 Feb 1915
Departed this life Charles Halligan A.B. No 189926
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-69477/ADM53-69477-122_0.jpg
From Naval History - Net
Bristol, light cruiser
HALLIGAN, Charles, Able Seaman, 189926, died in Falkland Islands
Rest in Peace
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HMS Lancaster 4 Oct 1918 in Callao
Landed funeral party
Naval-History.net has this for 3 Oct 1918:-
Lancaster, cruiser
WESTON, Herbert, Able Seaman, 205055, illness
cwgc.org has this picture:-
http://www.cwgc.org/CWGCImgs/Bellarista%20Old%20Brit%20Cem.JPG
RIP Herbert Weston
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HMS Virginian, 15th August 1918, having left Hampton Roads, Va, on the 14th records,
'2.38 AM Stoker Spencer died'
10.47 Co + speed as req. for funeral purposes circling between N&W
11.30 Stop.Committed body of Sto. Spencer to deep'
The ship's position at noon is shown as 37 1N 71 58W.
From Naval-history-net,
'Virginian, armed merchant cruiser
SPENCER, Arthur, Trimmer, MMR, 961157, illness'
May he rest in peace.
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Teutonic, 30th July 1918:
9.0 Held funeral service on board.
9.30 Landed mortal remains of the late Ply 9932 Pte William Richard Everleigh RMLI for burial at Evergreen Cemetery.
navalhistory.net adds the detail that he died in New York.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62753/ADM%2053-62753-018_0.jpg
Rest in peace.
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Minerva, 4th March 1917:
8am Died onboard of cerebral influenza: - Redvers Alfred Ardley Boy 1 cl. ON.J 51727
A funeral party left for shore later that day.
Rest in peace
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49474/ADM%2053-49474-005_0.jpg
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HMS Cumberland 20 Apr 1919 Kingston Jamaica
"Devonshire in harbour"
23 Apr 1919
"Landed funeral party"
"Landed small arms companies, Marine detatchment & band"
Commonwealth Graves Commission
HARRIES , W Stoker 1st Class Service No. K/35797
Died 22/04/1919 age 28 Royal Navy United Kingdom
Grave ref. J. 205. KINGSTON (UP PARK CAMP) MILITARY CEMETERY
R.I.P. Mr Harries
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HMS Clio
12 Apr 14 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38067/C2-ADM53-38067-0096_0.jpg)
2.0am Stoker Thomas King died in International Hospital, Hankow
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af129/heffkit/Clio140413-StokerKingRIP.png)
13 Apr 14 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38067/C2-ADM53-38067-0096_1.jpg)
10.30am Exercised funeral escort at funeral exercise
1.30pm Landed funeral party for burial of Stoker King
3.30pm Funeral party returned onboard
RIP Stoker King
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Hi there Folks
Not exactly a burial at sea as Carnarvon is at Bermuda readying for sea, but I found this
6.00 AM Body of late H. J. Read, seaman R.N.R Recovered.
Later in the day a funeral party went ashore and later returned.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37096/ADM-53-37096-085_0.jpg
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Not really a burial at sea, but some ship members attending a funeral:
Raven II, January 18, 1917
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57313/ADM%2053-57313-020_1.jpg
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Raven II, 1917, between Colombo & the Maldives:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57314/ADM%2053-57314-038_1.jpg
Flgt Lt Smith, age 22
Lt Mead, RNVR, age 29
Believed drowned
Rest in Peace, young men.
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I found them - alive.
Because they were not on the casualty list
on Naval-History.net, I went fishing ahead on the logs. On the 6th
May 1917, there is this note:
Flgt. Sub. Lieut. Smith & Lieut Mead RNVR previously reported lost, returned on board from Maldive Is.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57314/ADM%2053-57314-053_1.jpg
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I found them - alive.
Because
they were not on the casualty list on Naval-History.net, I went fishing
ahead on the logs. On the 6th May 1917, there is this note:
Flgt. Sub. Lieut. Smith & Lieut Mead RNVR previously reported lost, returned on board from Maldive Is.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57314/ADM%2053-57314-053_1.jpg
Nice Work, Janet. I didn't look far enough.
(I have transferred my post to "Riveting".)
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Galatea 14 Dec 1917. Andrew C Fisher swept overboard, presumed drowned.
(see https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42346/0084_1.jpg)
Rest in peace
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I found them - alive.
Because
they were not on the casualty list on Naval-History.net, I went fishing
ahead on the logs. On the 6th May 1917, there is this note:
Flgt. Sub. Lieut. Smith & Lieut Mead RNVR previously reported lost, returned on board from Maldive Is.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57314/ADM%2053-57314-053_1.jpg
JJ--That is fantastic! Thank you for finding them!!!
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On the CWGC site:
Signalman ANDREW CRAWFORD FISHER
London Z/4812, H.M.S. "Galatea.", Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve
who died age 25
on 14 December 1917
Son of John and Agnes Fisher, of 1 19, Duke St., Glasgow.
Remembered with honour
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HMS Astraea, April 1, 1919, Lagos
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34371/ADM53-34371-052_1.jpg
8.30
Stm cutter on way inshore with officers (routine trip) sunk through
striking submerged object. All boats lowered and searchlights burnt on
information reaching ship.
10.00 Tug Barman assisted in search, all saved except Coxn Ldg Sean Gibbs ON 234449. Search continued until midnight.
A court of enquiry was held on April 3.
From naval-history.net:
Astraea, 2nd class cruiser
GIBBS, James W, Leading Seaman, 234449 (Ch), drowned in Lagos
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Subsequently the diving party after repeated efforts located and
raised the cutter, which was repaired and brought aboard, but no mention
was made that I saw of a body being recovered.
Later that month, on
the 24th April, Funeral party left ship for funeral of Stoker J Mather,
RNR, ON S5251, who had died earlier that day, while at anchor off
Victoria.
As there is a large number of men on the sick list, he was perhaps an influenza victim.
RIP
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On 5th June 1918 on Minerva:
Bertie Louis Hamm off no 216368 died at Military Hospital Lindi German East Africa on 5th June 1918 from appendix abcess.
naval-history.net records the name and date, but not the cause.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49489/ADM%2053-49489-005_1.jpg
Rest in peace.
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I've just done the same page. I also looked him up on the CWGC
website. He was 32 years old, from Southampton and left a wife,
Gertrude Mary.
I am puzzled that he died in German East Africa, though. ???
RIP Bertie Hamm.
Edit: And on 18 June they sold his effects, so they did not even send them back to his wife, which seems very sad.
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And another death on Minerva:
Samuel Haughey Stoker Petty
Officer RFR off no 286851 died at Military Hospital Port Amelia Port'g
East Africa on 10th June 1918 from pneumonia buried at Port Amelia.
The funeral party landing is recorded on the same log page - 11th June.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49489/ADM%2053-49489-008_1.jpg
Rest in peace
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I've
just done the same page. I also looked him up on the CWGC
website. He was 32 years old, from Southampton and left a wife,
Gertrude Mary.
I am puzzled that he died in German East Africa, though. ???
RIP Bertie Hamm.
What's now Tanzania was then a German colony. Thanks for the other info.
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And another death on Minerva:
Samuel
Haughey Stoker Petty Officer RFR off no 286851 died at Military
Hospital Port Amelia Port'g East Africa on 10th June 1918 from pneumonia
buried at Port Amelia.
The funeral party landing is recorded on the same log page - 11th June.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49489/ADM%2053-49489-008_1.jpg
Rest in peace
I just did this page too!
(I thought it was an 'n' rather than a ?', but I didn't search for it.
There are going to be a lot more that 3 transcriptions of many of these pages...
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I've
just done the same page. I also looked him up on the CWGC
website. He was 32 years old, from Southampton and left a wife,
Gertrude Mary.
I am puzzled that he died in German East Africa, though. ???
RIP Bertie Hamm.
What's now Tanzania was then a German colony. Thanks for the other info.
That's what puzzled me - that it was a German colony and the war was still on!
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And another death on Minerva:
Samuel
Haughey Stoker Petty Officer RFR off no 286851 died at Military
Hospital Port Amelia Port'g East Africa on 10th June 1918 from pneumonia
buried at Port Amelia.
The funeral party landing is recorded on the same log page - 11th June.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49489/ADM%2053-49489-008_1.jpg
Rest in peace
I just did this page too!
(I thought it was an 'n' rather than a ?', but I didn't search for it.
There are going to be a lot more that 3 transcriptions of many of these pages...
I've
just done that page too. I had read the name as "Hangley" but
knew I must have misread it as I could not find him on either the Naval
History website or CWGC. So I will now go back and correct my
transcription. No details of his age, or any surviving family
members.
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I went back to change it too, but then I started wondering about the "transcribe as written" rule.
I really don't see an h, and in one entry I see an n and in the other a u ???
In any case the number is there...
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It does now look like "Haughey" to me, so I was happy to change my
transcription. But I agree that if it looks different to you, you
should transcribe what you see.
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I'm still working on the fine line between 'transcribe as written' and insanity ;)
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Minerva 18th October 1918:
James Gibb Ord Tel J41440 born June 30th 1899 died of pneumonia 8.30pm Oct 18th.
Only just 19 years old, and a long way from home. Rest in peace, James Gibb.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49493/ADM%2053-49493-012_1.jpg
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I agree on Gibb here, but on the next page it seems to Gibbs ::)
For the moment, I have 1 page of each!
Gibb is correct.
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from CWGC:
In Memory of
Ordinary Telegraphist J GIBB
J/41440, H.M.S. "Minerva", Royal Navy
who died age 19
on 18 October 1918
Son of Mrs. Jessie Gibb, of Pine Cottage, Trades Park, Nairn. Scotland.
Remembered with honour
DAR ES SALAAM WAR CEMETERY
Rest in Peace, James Gibb
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Throughout October 1918, HMS Caesar, crew 757, was docked at Malta and appears to have been
in the midst of an epidemic of some sort.
These are the 'Number on Sick List' figures for the 4th to 19th of that month.
35, 65, 141, 114, 213, 211, 229, 228, 203, 170, 149, 124, 64, 50, 36, 36.
The peak figure of 229 being recorded on the 10th October 1918.
The log pages record several funeral parties being landed but don't give the names of those being buried.
According to Naval-history-net, the following crew members of HMS Caesar died of illness on Malta at this time,
11th October 1918
Egmont, Naval Base, Malta
BISHOP, Charles P, Private, RMLI, 19130 (Ply), transferred from Caesar probably to hospital, died in Malta
12th October 1918
Caesar, pre-Dreadnought battleship, all illness at Malta
LAWRENCE, Benjamin, Private, RMLI, 13379 (Ply)
NEWTON, William, Able Seaman, J 39823
WEBB, Henry, Musician, RMB, RMB 1960
13th October 1918
Caesar, pre-Dreadnought battleship
CRAFTER, Francis D, Musician, RMB, RMB 2136, illness in Malta
14th October, 1918.
Caesar, pre-Dreadnought battleship, all illness at Malta
BAKER, Thomas, Leading Stoker, SS 113134
GREENWOOD, John, Senior Reserve Attendant, M 14473
ROSS, James A, Private, RMLI, 27990 (Ply)
15th October, 1918
Caesar, pre-Dreadnought battleship
BAILEY, John, Stoker 1c, SS 109846, illness
16th October, 1918.
Caesar, pre-Dreadnought battleship
SHAW, Arthur, Armourers Crew, M 25427, illness
TAYLOR, William K, Able Seaman, SS 1374, illness
May they rest in peace.
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Probably influenza, see http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=389.0
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HMS Hannibal 30th October 1915 en route from Malta to Marseille
Performed burial service for Wm McCormick CERA who had been killed in an accident in the engine room the previous day.
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RIP William McCormick.
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Not a burial at sea but...
6-15 (Approx) Andrew C, Fisher Sig RNVR No London Z4812 washed overboard & presumed drowned
From the log of HMS Galatea 14th December 1917.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42346/0084_1.jpg
Observed location at Noon was 59 28N, 3 53E
And from the Naval Casualties
FISHER, Andrew C, Signalman, RNVR, London Z 4812, Galatea, 14 December 1917, drowned
RIP Andrew Fisher
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HMS Ark Royal, Tuesday 22nd February 1916
11.15am Albert Edward Curry aged 53 Divisional Carpenter English Nationality died of heart disease
Weds 23rd
9.10am Ships company attented funeral service of the late AE Curry (Div Carpenter)
The body and funeral party left the Ark Royal on TB30, the funeral party returned around midday.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34099/0176_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34099/0176_1.jpg
RIP
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'heart disease', it looks like. A bit sobering.
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Agree that it is indeed 'heart disease'.
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HMS Castor 24/2/19
Died of Heart failure Frederick Deal Petty Officer (g) P/178228 English age about 41
RIP
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37292/0051_1.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37292/0051_1.jpg)
Actually, his name was Frederick Beal.
National
Archive:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D7140413
(http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D7140413)
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2753163/BEAL,%20F
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HMS Sapphire 8th May 1915 Gallipoli
Read burial service & buried Pte F. Eckersley No.1430. D.Coy 5th Lancs Fusiliers who died of wounds
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-59130/ADM%2053-59130-006_0.jpg
CWGC has this
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=695606
Service number is correct but they give his date of death 5 days later
I have sent a note to CWGC via the Contact Us link on their web site pointing out the discrepancy in dates
I
finally got a reply but it seems they require further documentary
evidence before they will consider changing their records:-
Thank
you for your e mail of 7 November 2011. Please accept our apologies for
the delay in reply: due to the high volume of enquiries received by our
offices we currently have a backlog we are working to clear. With
regard to the following casualty:
Rank: Private
Surname: ECKERSLEY
Forenames: FRANK
Service No: 1430
Unit: 1st/5th Bn.
Regiment: Lancashire Fusiliers
Date of Death: 13 May 1915
Commemoration
Helles Memorial
I
would explain that our records are based on information provided to the
Commission after the war by the relevent Service Authorities and as
such, we record the date of death as 13th May. As a point of interest,
the independent publication ' Soldiers Died in the Great War' also has
this date of death. We are always prepared to consider
amendments to our records however we would require official documentary
evidence before being able to do so, such as a service record, death
certificate etc. Documentation should be sent to either of the
addresses below (post or e mail) for our consideration.
Yours sincerely
Julie Somay (Mrs)
Enquiries Administrator
Commonwealth War Graves Commission
2 Marlow Road, Maidenhead, Berkshire, SL6 7DX, United Kingdom
Tel: + 44 (0) 1628 507200 Fax: + 44 (0) 1628 771208
Email: casualty.enq@cwgc.org
Website: www.cwgc.org
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HMS Blenheim, August 31st, 1915
10.35 - Commander (act) A. G. Muller of HMS 'Racoon' died on board.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35574/0108_1.jpg
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From CWGC and Naval-History.net:
Commander ARTHUR GARDINER MULLER
H.M.S. "Racoon.", Royal Navy
who died age 36 at Port Mudros
on 31 August 1915 from illness
Son of William and Gertrude Ellen Muller, of Bruton, Bath.
Remembered with honour
Rest in peace, Arthur Muller
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27 September 1917, HMS Grafton
Died aboard this day Frank
Harry Bright Born 2nd May 1900, Boy 1st Class, Royal Navy, English, last
place abode Home address 6 Western Road, Billericay, Essex Cause of
death accidental fracture of right side of skull.
Stopped. Committed to the deep the body of Frank Harry Bright. Held Burial Service.
He was only 17 years old and per CWGC was the son of Frederick Sidney and Jane Bright.
RIP Frank Bright.
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HMS Blenheim, November 8th, 1915:
9.15: Sailed Basilisk to carry out Burial at Sea
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35574/0150_0.jpg
I
performed a search and it might refer to the burial at sea of Charles
J. Farnsworth, Stoker Petty Officer, 286954, died of illness, November
7th, 1915.
http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1915-11Nov.htm
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https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-62838/0013_0.jpg
5:45 AM O.N.J. 12658 Joh. has. Stake. P.O. died on board (~ HMS "Nigrllo")
HMS Theseus, 22nd of June, 1918
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Rest in Peace, John Chas. Stake.
He was from the HMS Nigella, an Arabus Class Sloop.
http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/naval_sloops_.htm
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Rest in Peace, John Chas. Stake.
He was from the HMS Nigella, an Arabus Class Sloop.
http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/naval_sloops_.htm
Thanks. :)
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https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-62839/0005_0.jpg
HMS Theseus, July 6th, 1918
Po/18891 Jesse Castle P?E RML? died onboard
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https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-62839/0005_0.jpg
HMS Theseus, July 6th, 1918
Po/18891 Jesse Castle P?E RML? died onboard
PTE (Private)
RMLI (Royal Marine Light Infantry)
RIP Jesse Castle
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CWGC
Private J CASTLE
PO/18891, H.M.S. "Theseus", Royal Marine Light Infantry
who died on 06 July 1918
Remembered with honour
SYRA NEW BRITISH CEMETERY
Rest in Peace.
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From HMS Glory, 14th December 1917, Murmansk.
'Departed this life Ships Cook, Alfred James Chinn, ON 344047,
Cause of death (1) Acidosis, (2) Pneumonia'
15th December 1917,
'Read the office for the burial of the dead.Committed to the deep the
body of the late Alfred James Chinn'
Please note, no further details of the burial location were given in the log book.
This from Naval-history-net,
'Glory, pre-Dreadnought battleship, guardship, Archangel
CHINN, Alfred J, Ship's Cook, 344047 (Po), illness'
RIP Alfred Chinn.
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CWGC:
In Memory of
Ship's Cook ALFRED JAMES CHINN
344047, H.M.S. "Glory.", Royal Navy
who died age 38
on 14 December 1917
Husband of Edith Maud Chinn, of 9, Durban Rd., Copnor, Portsmouth.
Remembered with honour
Rest in peace, Alfred Chinn
bpb42,
did your page include the Lat.Long. of his burial site? The
historian who started this thread says a number of descendants of these
families look for that information, just to have an emotional sense of
where their loved one lies. If not, that's fine. If you do,
could you modify your post to add that info? If you wish to.
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https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-62839/0017_0.jpg
11:45 PM AB/18204 Robert Fait Mc. Swain Pte. RMLI passed away
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CWGC anc Naval-History.net:
Private Robert Tait McSWAIN
CH/18204, H.M.S. "Theseus", Royal Marine Light Infantry
who died age 21 of illness
on 28 July 1918
Son of Alexander and Isabella McSwain, of 208, Strathmartine Rd., Dundee.
Remembered with honour
Rest in peace, Robert McSwain
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I am transcribing HMS Blenheim and I have to say Navigating Officer handwriting is not exactly a clear one.
On February 27th, 1916 a sad event was logged:
7.00: George Burns, Shipwright 2nd class, committed suicide by cutting his throat.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35574/0218_1.jpg
Two days later, February 29th, 1916, he was buried in Malta:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35574/0219_1.jpg
Malta (Cappuccini) Naval Cemetery
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=116427
RIP George Burns
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From HMS Dalhouse, in Basrah, 7 April 1916
1:45 pm this day Asst Paymaster G.M. Mcguire RNR died at No. 3 B.G. Hospital Basrah of Paratyphoid A.
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CWGC:
In Memory of
Ship's Cook ALFRED JAMES CHINN
344047, H.M.S. "Glory.", Royal Navy
who died age 38
on 14 December 1917
Husband of Edith Maud Chinn, of 9, Durban Rd., Copnor, Portsmouth.
Remembered with honour
Rest in peace, Alfred Chinn
bpb42,
did your page include the Lat.Long. of his burial site? The
historian who started this thread says a number of descendants of these
families look for that information, just to have an emotional sense of
where their loved one lies. If not, that's fine. If you do,
could you modify your post to add that info? If you wish to.
Hi Janet,
no, the log page didn't give a lat/long for the burial site.
In fact, in over 60 pages of HMS Glory I have yet to see a single lat/long, nor set of anchor bearings,
given
in any circumstance.The only indication of location is the port name,
which I have been reading as Murmansk, although it's often, sometimes
very, far from clear.
I've
amended my original post regarding Alfred Chinn to indicate the lack of
location details.
Bernie
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Thanks. And I do understand - my Danae went 2 years without
ever recording Lat.Long. while traveling all over the
Mediterranean. Which made figuring out where I was when the
interface did a time jump very interesting.
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Thanks Janet - hopefully there will be more details in future pages.
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Again, from HMS Glory, 25th December 1917, at Murmansk,
'Between 2am & 8am Bandmaster Woodman disappeared from the ship.
Thorough search was made but with no success'
http://www.oldweather.org/classify/edit/4ef8f02345d57104090007f1
A Court of Inquiry was held on the 29th Dec' 1917,
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-037_1.jpg
From Naval-history-net,
Glory, pre-Dreadnought battleship, guardship, Archangel
WOODMAN, Ernest R, Bandmaster 2c, RMB, RMB 110, died
May he rest in peace.
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HMS Theseus 29 August 1918:
Leslie Wright, wireless operator SS Goya passed away.
Wireless operator, that's a new one for me...
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Albert Hindmarsh RNRT age 20 Deckhand passed away (Mastoid abscress and complications)
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Someone died (I can't read any of it) :'(
HMS Theseus, 18 October, 1918
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Someone died (I can't read any of it) :'(
HMS Theseus, 18 October, 1918
According to the log:
"11.42 Reginald Oldroyd Sig RNVR passed away (Dysentry)"
According
to CWGC
(http://www.cwgc.org/search/SearchResults.aspx?surname=oldroyd&initials=r&war=0&yearfrom=1918&yearto=1918&force=Navy&nationality=&send.x=37&send.y=6)
OLDROYD REGINALD Age 20 Died 18 October 1918
Signalman Tyneside Z/1044 Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve
Nationality United Kingdom
Spec. Memorial. 7. Cemetery SYRA NEW BRITISH CEMETERY
Rest in Peace, Mr. Oldroyd.
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https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-62842/0011_0.jpg
Someone died (I can't read any of it) :'(
HMS Theseus, 18 October, 1918
According to the log:
"11.42 Reginald Oldroyd Sig RNVR passed away (Dysentry)"
According
to CWGC
(http://www.cwgc.org/search/SearchResults.aspx?surname=oldroyd&initials=r&war=0&yearfrom=1918&yearto=1918&force=Navy&nationality=&send.x=37&send.y=6)
OLDROYD REGINALD Age 20 Died 18 October 1918
Signalman Tyneside Z/1044 Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve
Nationality United Kingdom
Spec. Memorial. 7. Cemetery SYRA NEW BRITISH CEMETERY
Rest in Peace, Mr. Oldroyd.
Thanks. :)
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SPO Howard
L.Sto Perry
Sto Kavanagh
Sto Wheatley
OS Constable
killed after engagement with enemy destroyers
Lieut Bunyard RN
OS Roberts
OS Fox
AB C~~ll
OS Roper
AB Collings
OS Terry
Sto Hill
Sto ~asco~~
Injured (discharged to hospital) (this list does not match the one on http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1916-10Oct.htm )
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AB C~~ll
Sto ~asco~~
I believe those surnames are "Cuell" and "Bascomb"
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HMS Ebro, 21st August 1916
5.0pm Burial Service Hend for Sergeant Siver RMLV
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He
was discharged to HMS Almanzora at 6.26am the previous day to be taken
to hospital, but it was apparently too late. I didn't see any reason for
his illness or injury.
Edit: Spelling
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HMS Ebro, 21st August 1916
5.0pm Burial Service Hend for Sergeant Liver RMLV
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40534/ADM%2053-40534-033_1.jpg
He
was discharged to HMS Almanzora at 6.26am the previous day to be taken
to hospital, but it was apparently too late. I didn't see any reason for
his illness or injury.
from http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1916-08Aug.htm
"Ebro, armed merchant cruiser
SIVER, Henry, Sergeant, RMLI (Pens), 2147 (Ch), illness in Almanzora"
from
CWGC
(http://www.cwgc.org/search/SearchResults.aspx?surname=siver&initials=&war=1&yearfrom=1916&yearto=1916&force=Navy&nationality=&send.x=40&send.y=8)
1
SIVER , HENRY
died 21/08/1916 age
51 Sergeant CH/2147 Royal Marine Light
Infantry
United Kingdom Memorial CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL
Rest in Peace, Sergeant Siver
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On HMS Himalaya, 1st October 1916, at 8.30pm:
'Thomas Tyrrel AB died'.
The following day, at 9.35am:
Committed the body of the late Thomas Tyrrel AB to the deep, Lat 9 53 S Long 39 52 E
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navalhistory.net
adds the details 'RFR B 814, 151894 (ch), and that he died of
'illness'. Certainly there had been quite high numbers on the sick
list for a number of day.
Rest in peace, Thomas Tyrrel.
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HMS Theseus, November 23rd, 1918
Mr. Hornsby, Warrant Ship Lt. died. age 29
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HMS Hyacinth May 29, 1915
Francis Bailey died of acute intestinal obstruction (volvulus).
The funeral service was read later that day.
naval-history.net
Hyacinth, old light cruiser
BAILEY, Francis, Ordinary Seaman, S 3916, illness
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HMS Hyacinth August 17, 1915
Ali bin Mansa, Seedie, departed this life.
naval-history.net
Hyacinth, old light cruiser
MUSA, Ali B, Seedie, (no service number listed), illness
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Not a burial at sea but an interesting one from the log of HMS Dalhousie. 24th September 1916 in Basra
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Funeral party landed to attend funeral of Late PO Leigh
And from the naval casualty lists we have the following.
Sunday, 24 September 1916
MESOPOTAMIA
Alert, depot ship, Persian Gulf, ex-sloop
LEIGH, Thomas A, Petty Officer, 217552, Turkish prisoner of war, illness
I
assume that this chap had been a prisoner of the Turks and had died in
their hands and been returned to the British Forces for burial, but may
be wrong. It is interesting that his date of death on this site and the
CWGC site is given as the date of his funeral. CWGC also records his
burial as being in Basra Cemetary.
http://www.cwgc.org/search/SearchResults.aspx?surname=Leigh&initials=T+A&war=1&yearfrom=1916&yearto=2000&force=&nationality=&send.x=47&send.y=8
Interestingly
there also appears to be a memorial to him in Speldhurst (St Marys)
Churchyard in Kent. http://twgpp.org/information.php?id=619912
RIP Thomas Leigh.
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From the log of HMS Glory, 15 December 1917, in Murmansk:
'Read the office for the burial of the dead. Committed to the deep the body of the late Alfred James Chi~.'
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(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-030_1.jpg)
Mr
Chi~ (I can't make out the end of his name - suggestions appreciated)
was a ships cook who died the previous day of acidosis and pneumonia.
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(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-030_0.jpg)
Rest in Peace
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From the log of HMS Glory, 15 December 1917, in Murmansk:
'Read the office for the burial of the dead. Committed to the deep the body of the late Alfred James Chi~.'
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(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-030_1.jpg)
Mr
Chi~ (I can't make out the end of his name - suggestions appreciated)
was a ships cook who died the previous day of acidosis and pneumonia.
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(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-030_0.jpg)
Rest in Peace
From
CWGC
(http://www.cwgc.org/search/SearchResults.aspx?surname=chinn&initials=a&war=1&yearfrom=1917&yearto=1917&force=Navy&nationality=&send.x=22&send.y=16)
Alfred James CHINN died 14 Dec 1917 aged 38 Ship's Cook No. 344047
Grave/Memorial 26. Portsmouth Naval Memorial
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Thanks Bunts - I'll fix the logs.
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HMS Himalaya, 20th February 1917, in Simonstown:
9.45pm Departed this life Mr Elliot, Chief Gunner
11.50 Remains of Mr Elliot removed to mortuary, RN Hospital
navalhistory.net gives his first name as Joseph, and the cause of death as accident.
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Rest in peace, Joseph Elliot
He was buried on shore the following day; and then on the next two days there was an enquiry into his death held on board.
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HMS Chatham 7.30am lost overboard Robert Brown P.O. Plumber.
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Lost overboard and presumed drowned, winds 6-7 and state of sea 7, at 7:30 am.
8:00am Lat.Long. 35 57N, 1 29W
from CWGC
Plumber ROBERT BROWN
M/837, H.M.S. "Chatham.", Royal Navy
who died on 10 February 1916
Husband of Rose Blanche Brown, of 71, Clifton Place, Plymouth.
Remembered with honour
Rest in peace, Robert Brown.
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HMS Liverpool 26 Apr 1916 Brindisi
Landed funeral party to attend funeral of victims of explosion in drifter Clach Na Cudin
(from http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1916-04Apr.htm & CWGC)
Tuesday, 25 April 1916
Clach-Na-Cudin, hired net drifter, mined and damaged, presumably Adriatic, men buried a Bari
COWIE,
Alexander, 2nd Hand, RNR, SA 1471 age 25 Royal
Naval Reserve 14. G. 25. BARI WAR
CEMETERY
INNES, Alexander, Engineman, RNR, ES 2649 age
23 Royal Naval Reserve 14. G.
26. BARI WAR CEMETERY
MCKAY, William, Deck Hand, RNR, DA 5313 age 41 Royal Naval Reserve 23. PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL
MILLER,
Donald, Deck Hand, RNR, DA 5310 age 41 Royal Naval
Reserve 14. G.
27. BARI WAR CEMETERY
NAZER, Frederick John, Deck Hand, RNR, SD 3295 age 17 Royal Naval Reserve 14. G. 24.BARI WAR CEMETERY
SINCLAIR, James, Deck Hand, RNR, DA 5992 1916 age 44 Royal Naval Reserve 14. G.23.BARI WAR CEMETERY
Rest in Peace, gentlemen.
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HMS Hyacinth January 12, 1916
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Harold Joseph Hussey, aged 27, stoker 1st class, died of heat stroke.
His remains were committed to the deep later that day.
naval-history.net
Hyacinth, old light cruiser
HUSSEY, Harold J, Stoker 1c, K 26474, illness
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Rest in Peace, Harold Hussey.
He was buried a 14 22 5S, 40 56 0E
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HMS Hollyhock, 21st September 1920, at Wei Hai Wei,
'Colours half-masted + funeral party landed'
From the Naval-history-net casuality list for Sept' 20th 1920,
'Hawkins, cruiser
HUMPHRYES, John, Able Seaman, J 25494, illness in Wei Hai Wei'
May he rest in peace.
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Jessamine's log, 14 June 1916: https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45361/ADM%2053-45361-147_0.jpg
9.0 Divisions, Divine Service held in memory of North Sea victims & death of Lord Kitchener
Found a Wikipedia entry about Lord Kitchener: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Kitchener,_1st_Earl_Kitchener
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From HMS Galatea 1st December 1919
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Died
in Special Military Surgical Hospital, Edmonton London of Tubercule of
Lung Frederick William Peters. O.S. of 160 Brettenham Rd Edmonton.
Naval History site has "PETERS, Frederick W, Ordinary Seaman, J 80625, Galatea, 1 December 1919, illness"
This
is the first time I have sen a full address for a seaman. According to
Google Maps Brettenham Rd, Edmonton still exists although there seems to
be a big gap in the numbers between c88 and c200, so I havent been able
to find 160. Possibly due to 2nd WW damage??
RIP Fred Peters.
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Reported on HMS Glory 10th July 1918:
J Hussey AB MMR of HMY Salvator departed this life on board
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Naval history has:
Salvator, hired yacht
HUSSEY, Joseph E, Deck Hand, MMR, (no service number listed), accident
On 11th July:
Buriel service held over body of J. Hussey. Discharged body to "Plumgarth" for conveyance to sea, mourners & firing party.
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Rest in peace, Joseph Hussey
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The following men's deaths were recorded in additions
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=718.msg34755#msg34755) to
the logs of HMS Hyacinth.
All died on HMS Echo.
April 11, 1916 off Mgau Mwania, German East Africa
Frank Vincent, Leading Seaman
Arthur Thomas Wilkes, Able Seaman
Albert Williams, Seaman
Colley William Rowse, Stoker 1st Class
Jeremiah Hayes, Seaman
The bodies of Frank Vincent, Arthur Wilkes, Colley Rowse and Jeremiah Hayes were committed to the deep later the same day.
The body of Albert Williams was committed to the deep the following day.
RIP
naval-history.net
Echo, Admiralty whaler
HAYES, Jeremiah, Seaman, RNR, B 2738
ROWSE, Colley W, Stoker 1c (RFR B 5458), 299820 (Dev)
WILLIAMS, Albert, Seaman, RNR, B 5205, DOI
Hyacinth, old light cruiser, one rating may have died of injuries on 15 July
VINCENT, Frank S, Leading Seaman, 232298 (Po)
WILKES, Arthur T, Able Seaman, J 7773 (Po)
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May they all rest in peace.
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HMS Glory, 18 August 1918:
'Pte McLean, R.M.L.I. died (Chat. 17765).'
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Private Frank McLean died in an accident.
On 20 August 1918:
'Held burial service on Pte. McLean, R.M.L.I. Transferred body to T.19 for burial at sea. Funeral party left.'
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Rest in Peace
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HMS Glory, 21 August 1918:
'Master of 'Asturian' (Kenny) died on board.'
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(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-173_1.jpg)
Rest in Peace
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from CWGC:
Master J L KENNY
S.S. "Asturian,", Mercantile Marine
who died on 20 August 1918
Remembered with honour
MURMANSK NEW BRITISH CEMETERY
Rest in peace, Master Kenny.
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HMS Glory, 10 September 1918:
'Bryce Middleton, A.B. of S/S 'Warspray', was accidentally killed while driving the winch at No 2 hatch of 'Warspray.'
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On 11 September 1918:
'Discharged body of A.B. Bryce Middleton of S/S Warspray for burial on shore.'
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Rest in peace, Mr Middleton.
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On HMS Glory, 15 September 1918:
'Harry Herbert Woodriffe E.R.A. 3 class, died of bronchial pneumonia.'
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(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-186_1.jpg)
Rest in Peace
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On HMS Glory, 4 October 1918:
'James Shakesby, D.H. of H.M.T. Ariadne died on board
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Burial took place the next day:
'Remains of Jas. Shakesby discharged for interrment.'
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A further death reported the same day (5 October 1918):
'Deckhand Smith of H.M.T. 'Ariadne' died on board.'
Rest in Peace, deckhands Shakesby and Smith.
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On HMS Glory, 2 October 1918:
'Harry Scotter, D.H. of H.M.T 'Ralco' died on board.'
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The following day:
'Discharged remains of Harry Scotter, D.H. of H.M.T. 'Ralco' for interrment on shore.'
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Rest in Peace, Harry Scotter.
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On HMS Glory, 6 October 1918, two deaths are reported. Able
seaman Bizerte, of a French T.B., died and his body was landed the same
day. Stoker Rumsey, of H.M.T. Ariadne, also died. In the
log, his name appears to be 'Ramsey'; however, naval-history.net shows
his name as Stoker Frederick H. Rumsey.
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The remains of Stoker Rumsey were landed the next day:
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(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-199_1.jpg)
Rest in Peace, Stoker Rumsey and Able seaman Bizerte.
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On HMS Glory, two deaths are reported on 7 October 1918:
Deck hand Johnson of H.M.T. Ralco (JOHNSON, Victor, 2nd Hand, MMR, SIS 10423, illness); and
Signalman F. Fox of H.M.T. Exyhane ( FOX, Fred M, Deck Hand, RNR, TS 5255, illness)
Details provided at http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1918-10Oct.htm (http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1918-10Oct.htm)
Log
page is
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Both men were taken ashore for burial on 8 October 1918; log page at:
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Rest in Peace, Victor Johnson and Fred Fox.
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HMS Glory 9th October 1918:
Wm Jennison, D.H. HMT Sarpedon died on board
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From Naval history, different ship?:
Queen IV, patrol paddle vessel
JENNISON, William, Deck Hand, RNR, DA 14324, illness
The funeral was the next day
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Rest in peace William Jennison
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HMS Glory 14th October 1918, 3 died on board
A. Munzer D.H HMT Ariadne, B. Sherwin VPO and A. Elsbury HMT Sarpedon
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From Naval History
Ariadne, ex-Ariadne II, trawler
MUNZER,
Albert, Deck Hand, RNR, DA 17484, illness, third of three members of
crew who died over a period of 10 days, all buried in Murmansk New
British Cemetery
Glory I, Auxiliary Patrol depot ship and Accounting Section for Glory, Murmansk
SHERWIN, Benjamin D, Victualling Petty Officer, M 2744, illness
Sarpedon II, hired trawler, minesweeper
ELSBURY, Albert, Deck Hand, RNR, DA 10281, illness, buried at Murmansk
Rest in peace Albert Munzer, Benjamin Sherwin & Albert Elsbury
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HMS Glory 15th October 1918
James Percival Oakley PTE RMLI for HMS Glory died on board S/S Gocutor(?) at sea
R. Draper of HMT Thomas Thresher died on board
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From Naval history
Glory, pre-Dreadnought battleship, guardship, Archangel
DRAPER, Richard J, Engineman, RNR, ES 4137, illness
OAKLEY, James P, Private, RMLI, 16997 (Po), illness
Funeral for Mr Draper and Mr Elsbury(died 14th Oct) held on 16th
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Rest in peace Richard Draper & James Oakley
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HMS Glory 15th October 1918
James Percival Oakley PTE RMLI for HMS Glory died on board S/S Gocutor(?) at sea
I know the end of the name doesn't quite match, but it could be "SS Goentoer"
from http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/7634810?q=subject%3A%22Athenic+%28Troopship%29%22&c=book
"Athenic (Troopship)
S.S. Goentoer (Vessel)
Caricatures and cartoons -- New Zealand.
World War, 1914-1918 -- Caricatures and cartoons.
New Zealand wit and humour."
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20G/slides/Goentoer-04.html
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HMS Glory 15th October 1918
James Percival Oakley PTE RMLI for HMS Glory died on board S/S Gocutor(?) at sea
I know the end of the name doesn't quite match, but it could be "SS Goentoer"
from http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/7634810?q=subject%3A%22Athenic+%28Troopship%29%22&c=book
"Athenic (Troopship)
S.S. Goentoer (Vessel)
Caricatures and cartoons -- New Zealand.
World War, 1914-1918 -- Caricatures and cartoons.
New Zealand wit and humour."
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20G/slides/Goentoer-04.html
Thanks,
Bunts. I've been struggling with that one. The ship gets mentioned
again in later logs and it does look more like Goen at the begining but I
still couldn't find it. I'll just assume the log-keeper didn't know it
needed another 'e' at the end
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Thanks,
Bunts. I've been struggling with that one. The ship gets mentioned
again in later logs and it does look more like Goen at the begining but I
still couldn't find it. I'll just assume the log-keeper didn't know it
needed another 'e' at the end
OK, jil,
I noticed that you were still working on it, as you'd changed your mind from when I first read your query.
As you say, it's not a common combination of letters in English.
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HMS Glory, 25 October 1918:
'Held first part of burial service
over remains of W.Hale, stoker of HMS Glory. Discharged same to
trawler for interrment at sea.'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-208_1.jpg
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-208_1.jpg)
From naval-history.net:
Glory, pre-Dreadnought battleship, guardship, Archangel
HALE, Wilfred, Stoker 1c, K 18261 (Po), illness
Rest in Peace, Wilfred Hale
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The log of HMS Glory reports the death of A.B. A.Cremer on 29 October 1918:
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(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-210_1.jpg)
His burial at sea was reported in the log of 30 October:
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(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-211_0.jpg)
His details from naval-history.net are:
Glory, pre-Dreadnought battleship, guardship, Archangel
CREMER, Albert E, Able Seaman, J 28070 (Po), illness
Rest in Peace, Albert Cremer
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HMS Glory 18th October 1918
Walter H. Smart ERA RNR for HMS Glory died on board S/S Goentor
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43039/ADM%2053-43039-205_0.jpg
From Naval history includes 3 others who aren't mentioned in Glory's log (?)
Glory, pre-Dreadnought battleship, guardship, Archangel, all illness
EVANS, Daniel G, Private, RMLI, S 1843 (Ply)
GOULD, Cyril, Private, RMLI, S 2100 (Ch)
SMART, Walter H, Engine Room Artificer, RNR, EA 1919
THOMAS, Leonard, Trimmer, RNR, ST 1937
Rest in peace Walter Smart, Daniel Evans, Cyril Gould & Leonard Thomas
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HMS Empress - Seaplane Carrier
October 9th, 1917
from Port Said to Adana and Famagusta:
6/10 out 8018
7/10 Stopped (Lat 36 27N Long 35 16E)
7/14 8018 landed, turned over and exploded killing Flight Lieut. M. C. Wood age 27. Shock as result of multiple injuries.
10/0 Captain held Burial Service over Flight Lieut. M. C. Wood R. N. A. S.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40785/0062_1.jpg
I
found out that his full name was Melville Cornelius Wood and that his
grandson was looking for more information about his burial at sea
co-ordinates.
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HMS Liverpool 22 June 1916 from Gibraltar to Taranto
"9.35 Man overboard.
Turned 16 pts - lowered both life boats.
Body not recovered.
Lost overboard Lat 38 22N Long 12 55E William North Private RMLI off No. Ply 12210. ~ Nationality English
Cause of death Drowning
10.30 proc'd."
CWGC
(http://www.cwgc.org/search/SearchResults.aspx?surname=north&initials=w&war=1&yearfrom=1916&yearto=1916&force=Navy&nationality=&send.x=21&send.y=9)
- PLYMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL ref 18
Rest in Peace, Private William North
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I
found out that his full name was Melville Cornelius Wood and that his
grandson was looking for more information about his burial at sea
co-ordinates.
And
that makes putting these deaths and their locations a worthwhile result
from this project. These Lat.longs are simply not on any other
public record.
Rest in Peace, Melville Wood and William North .
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HMS Implacable 29th June 1915
Landed funeral party for the burial of V H P Cole ON 23844 Sig Boy who died in hospital
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44760/ADM%2053-44760-189_1.jpg
From Naval history - died on 28th June
Implacable, pre-Dreadnought battleship
COLE, Vernon H P, Signal Boy, J 23844, illness in Italy
Rest in peace Vernon Cole
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Euryalus
Reported drowned in boat accident William Frederick Hoffman AB RFR Official No.195940 RFR 2650
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Euryalus
Body of Hoffman AB recovered, brought alongside & sent to mortuary.
Party landed to attend inquest on Hoffman AB.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-41220/ADM%2053-41220-139_1.jpg
Funeral party landed
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-41220/ADM%2053-41220-140_0.jpg
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31 July 1918
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34696/0018_1.jpg
Received
signal from hospital Corfu stating that Stoker Petty Officer Lewis
Joseph Gully RN off No 312518 had died this day from dysentery
2 August 1918
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34696/0019_1.jpg
Stoker Petty Officer Lewis Joseph Gully RN Off No. 312518 was this day buried in British Cemetery Corfu
3 August 1918
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1 P.O. and 2 stokers sent to Corfu for the late L. J. Gully's effects
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HMS Himalaya 20th October 1917:
Mobidi, Seedie Boy departed this life
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21st October: Committed to the deep the body of the late Mobidi Seedie Boy in Lat 25 20 S 10 00 E.
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23rd October: Effects of late Seedie Boy Mobidi sold by auction.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44357/ADM%2053-44357-090_1.jpg
Rest in peace, Mobidi
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Euryalus
Body of Hoffman AB recovered, brought alongside & sent to mortuary.
Party landed to attend inquest on Hoffman AB.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-41220/ADM%2053-41220-139_1.jpg
Funeral party landed
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Naval Casualties List has the following:
HOFFMAN, William F, Able Seaman, 195940, Euryalus, 3 July 1916, drowned
Another
search revealed that you may have recorded the death of a hero. This
following is from a list of recommendations for DSMs from the Gallipoli
Campaign in 1915.
http://www.naval-history.net/WW1NavyBritishLGDecorationszzDSM.htm
Able Seaman William F. Hoffman, O.N. 195940 (R.F.R. Chat., B.2650).
There are few details of what he did specifically, but you can read more about the engagement and decorations here
http://www.naval-history.net/WW1Battle1503Dardanelles2.htm#29264
CWGC records his grave as in COLOMBO (KANATTE) GENERAL CEMETERY
http://www.cwgc.org/search/SearchResults.aspx?surname=Hoffman&initials=&war=1&yearfrom=1900&yearto=2000&force=Navy&nationality=6&send.x=30&send.y=13
RIP AB William Hoffman DSM
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31 July 1918
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Received
signal from hospital Corfu stating that Stoker Petty Officer Lewis
Joseph Gully RN off No 312518 had died this day from dysentery
2 August 1918
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34696/0019_1.jpg
Stoker Petty Officer Lewis Joseph Gully RN Off No. 312518 was this day buried in British Cemetery Corfu
3 August 1918
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34696/0020_0.jpg
1 P.O. and 2 stokers sent to Corfu for the late L. J. Gully's effects
The
Naval casualties list has this: GULLEY, Lewis J, Stoker Petty Officer,
312518, Bacchus, 31 July 1918, illness, and the CWGC records his grave
in Corfu cemetary. Note that both spell his name with an E.
RIP Stoker P.O. Lewis Gulley.
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HMS Hildebrand, 13 October 1916
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44345/ADM%2053-44345-082_1.jpg
"James
Chisholm, Asst Steward, List 5D176. Mercantile Rating. Was this day
lost overboard and drowned - there being no instr~ or other ~ of how the
accident occurred."
Per CWGC he was 22 years old and came from Glasgow.
Can anyone decipher the two words that are defeating me?
RIP James Chisholm
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Witnesses ?
proof ?
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Thanks, Randi - I think you're right on both counts.
Can't
help wondering if this might actually have been a suicide - it seems a
bit odd that a steward would have been lost overboard by accident, and
with no-one around.
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Euryalus
Body of Hoffman AB recovered, brought alongside & sent to mortuary.
Party landed to attend inquest on Hoffman AB.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-41220/ADM%2053-41220-139_1.jpg
Funeral party landed
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-41220/ADM%2053-41220-140_0.jpg
Naval Casualties List has the following:
HOFFMAN, William F, Able Seaman, 195940, Euryalus, 3 July 1916, drowned
Another
search revealed that you may have recorded the death of a hero. This
following is from a list of recommendations for DSMs from the Gallipoli
Campaign in 1915.
http://www.naval-history.net/WW1NavyBritishLGDecorationszzDSM.htm
Able Seaman William F. Hoffman, O.N. 195940 (R.F.R. Chat., B.2650).
There are few details of what he did specifically, but you can read more about the engagement and decorations here
http://www.naval-history.net/WW1Battle1503Dardanelles2.htm#29264
CWGC records his grave as in COLOMBO (KANATTE) GENERAL CEMETERY
http://www.cwgc.org/search/SearchResults.aspx?surname=Hoffman&initials=&war=1&yearfrom=1900&yearto=2000&force=Navy&nationality=6&send.x=30&send.y=13
RIP AB William Hoffman DSM
Thanks Tegwen, very sobering reading
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HMS Hyacinth
September 20, 1916
Arthur McDougall, Ordinary Seaman, drowned
A court of enquiry was held on September 22.
RIP
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44643/ADM%2053-44643-107_0.jpg
naval-history.net
McDOUGALL, Arthur, Ordinary Seaman, J 43228 (Po), Hyacinth, 20 September 1916, drowned
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HMS Euryalus - 26 January 1917
Departed this world at St. George's Hospital Bombay Edward Rankin Sto.(?) 1st Class O.N. SS 101463
Naval Casualty Lists has this. I think DOW stands for Died of Wounds. (I have added it to the list of abbreviations.)
RANKIN, Edward, Stoker 1c (RFR B 6908), SS 101463 (Ch), Euryalus, 26 January 1917, DOW in India
and the CWGC lists his memorial as
RANKIN
, EDWARD Stoker 1st
Class 101463(CH) 26/01/1917
Royal Navy Face
A. KIRKEE 1914-1918 MEMORIAL.
The CWCG describes
the Kirkee memorial and cemetery here.
http://www.cwgc.org/search/cemetery_details.aspx?cemetery=146500&mode=1
It is in Poona near Bombay. (Mumbai)
RIP Edward Rankin.
PS I have copied this from the If you find ... thread.
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HMS Euryalus - 26 January 1917
Departed this world at St. George's Hospital Bombay Edward Rankin Sto.(?) 1st Class O.N. SS 101463
Naval Casualty Lists has this. I think DOW stands for Died of Wounds. (I have added it to the list of abbreviations.)
RANKIN, Edward, Stoker 1c (RFR B 6908), SS 101463 (Ch), Euryalus, 26 January 1917, DOW in India
and the CWGC lists his memorial as
RANKIN
, EDWARD Stoker 1st
Class 101463(CH) 26/01/1917
Royal Navy Face
A. KIRKEE 1914-1918 MEMORIAL.
The CWCG describes
the Kirkee memorial and cemetery here.
http://www.cwgc.org/search/cemetery_details.aspx?cemetery=146500&mode=1
It is in Poona near Bombay. (Mumbai)
RIP Edward Rankin.
PS I have copied this from the If you find ... thread.
Followup https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-41221/ADM%2053-41221-035_1.jpg
HMS Euryalus - 29 January, 1917
Court of Inquiry held on board concerning death of Edward Rankin Sto 6th class (sic) O.N. SS 101463
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From HMS Endymion., in Salonika harbour, on the 21st August 1916,
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40874/ADM%2053-40874-257_1.jpg
'Held sale of effects of late O.Rice Sto'
Naval-history-net records,
Sunday, 6 August 1916
Endymion, old cruiser
RICE, Owen, Stoker, RNR, S 7344, illness.
The CWGC site gives his service number as 7344(S) and shows him to be buried at Malta (Capuccini) Naval Cemetery.
May he rest in peace.
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From HMS Grafton, 3rd January 1916, the Gallipoli campaign:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43385/ADM%2053-43385-115_1.jpg
Commander George Gipps, Nationality English, killed in action.
He
was buried at sea the following day; no position given, but they left
Aliki Bay at 8.25 and stopped for the burial at 9.20, and were probably
heading towards Cape Helles.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43385/ADM%2053-43385-116_0.jpg
Rest in peace, George Gipps.
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HMS Liverpool 15 February 1917 Brindisi
"Stoker Petty
Officer George Potter aged 29 yrs 3 mths of HMS Liverpool died of
Enteric Fever in the International Hospital Brindisi at 6.30am February
15th 1917"
16 February 1917
"Landed Funeral party for funeral of late Sto. PO George Potter of HMS Liverpool"
From CWGC http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1
"POTTER,
GEORGE Royal Navy Petty Officer Stoker
Service No. 312125 died
15/02/1917 age 29
United Kingdom Grave 14. G.
37. Cemetery BARI WAR CEMETERY"
Rest in peace, Mr. Potter.
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HMS Hyacinth May 26, 1917
Frank Rivis Roe 'departed this life from the result of an accidental self-inflicted wound'.
His remains were committed to the deep on the following day.
RIP
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44643/ADM%2053-44643-249_0.jpg
naval-history.net
ROE, Frank R, Leading Seaman, J 4600 (Po), Hyacinth, 26 May 1917, accidental injury
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HMS Euryalis - 18 July 1917, Ismailia https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-41221/ADM%2053-41221-133_0.jpg
7.40PM Percy Turrall Off no. M20102 E.R.A.4c illness(?) D.D. Party S.B.C. landed with corpse.
19 July
3.50 Funeral Party left
5.40 Funeral party returned
From http://www.patriotfiles.com/archive/navalhistory/xDKCas1917-07Jul.htm
Euryalus, cruiser
TURRALL, Percy, Engine Room Artificer 4c, M 20102, illness
RIP, Mr. Turrall.
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HMS Blenheim - 22 Mar 1916, Port Mudros --- https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35574/0233_0.jpg
5:30am - Picked up Dead Body (identity unknown)
11:30am - Landed Dead Body for Burial
RIP - You are remembered.
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HMS Blenheim - 22 Mar 1916, Port Mudros --- https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35574/0233_0.jpg
5:30am - Picked up Dead Body (identity unknown)
11:30am - Landed Dead Body for Burial
RIP - You are remembered.
Sobering thought.
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HMS Liverpool 26 March 1917 Brindisi
"8.15 Landed funeral party and all available ratings
11.0 All landing parties returned"
Not stated, but probably:
"Liverpool, light cruiser
HANCOCK, William T D, Boatswain, illness" (who was discharged to hospital several days earlier.)
http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1917-03Mar.htm
from CWGC:
HANCOCK, WILLIAM THOMAS DIGNAM Boatswain died 24/03/1917
Grave Reference 14. G. 38. BARI WAR CEMETERY
Rest in peace, Mr. Hancock.
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HMS Isis, 24 June 1918, west bound in the North Atlantic:
'6.40 Boy (1st cl.) E.W. Jaycock ofNo 6929 fell overboard and was drowned.'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45040/ADM%2053-45040-176_0.jpg
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45040/ADM%2053-45040-176_0.jpg)
I'm sure that the 'ofNo' is incorrect, but that it what it appears to be.
From naval-history.net:
Isis, old light cruiser
JAYCOCK, Edward W, Boy 1c, J 69292 (Ch), drowned
Note that the last digit of his service number is missing in the scanned page (the scan did not go far enough).
On 28 June 1918:
'Divisions. Read Memorial Service for Boy 1st cl. E.W. Jaycock lost overboard 24 June'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45040/ADM%2053-45040-178_0.jpg
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-45040/ADM%2053-45040-178_0.jpg)
Rest in Peace, Edward Jaycock.
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Per CWGC, Edward Jaycock was only 16 when he died.
Incidentally,
the CWGC website seems to have had a revamp. I'm not sure the
previous sombre tones weren't more appropriate.
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Yes, rest in peace.
I'm not sure the previous sombre tones weren't more appropriate.
The
few times I've visited a cemetery to look up ancestors and relatives, I
ended up feeling more alive, more aware of their lives and living which
had helped create mine. It was very different from when I went to
the same cemetery full of grief to bury someone I loved. And that
includes the grandparents I had buried and mourned there, seeing their
graves now reminds me of their lives and joys they gave me. (My
parents, on the other hand, died much more recently. I see my
mother's grave in the same cemetery still feeling mourning.) I
felt solemn, but not at all somber. And that's the placement in
anyone's personal history that every grave listed on that site
holds. So I have to think that this honoring of the veterans'
lives might be quite appropriate.
Mind, there are going to be as many opinions on this as there are people.
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HMS Inconstant 6th February 1915 on its way from Harwich to Queensferry
9.30 Norman Mc Iver Sea R.N.R. A3817 fell overboard & was lost.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44799/0026_0.jpg
Rest in peace Norman Mc Iver
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HMS Endymion,
September 22nd, 1918
8.25 PM Malcom McLeod Sea. RNR died.
September 23rd, 1918
9.30: 'Body of Malcom McLeod Sm. RNR committed to the deep 35 33N 20 6E.
Burial service conducetd by Chaplain.'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40876/ADM%2053-40876-181_1.jpg
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HMS Hannibal, Alexandria
31st July 1916
10.50 Petty Officer of motor lighter X10 lost his life by drowning
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43712/189_1.jpg
1st August 1916
12.25 Body of P.O. Banks brought aboard life extinct
11. Landed the body of P.O. James Banks
3.35 Firing party of marines landed as funeral party
3.50 Officers & PO ratings landed for funeral Lt. Com. Seymour in charge
5.0 P.O. James Banks buried in military hospital. Senior naval officer in attendance
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43712/191_1.jpg
RIP James Banks
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Neat avatar!
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HMS St George,
July 12th, 1913:
'Regret to record death of Thomas Cladish (23) Stoker 2nd class ON K 17469 at Shotley Sick quartier from Meningitis
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-61152/0080_1.jpg
July 14th, 1913:
'Landed funeral party & escort. Laid to rest remains of Thomas Cladish Stoker 2nd class in Shotley Cemetery'.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-61152/0081_1.jpg
RIP Thomas Cladish.
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Hi Lollia,
I think it's 'Shotley' which is a village near
Harwich; it sounds familiar and the Wikipedia entry for the village says
it has connections with naval life at Harwich.
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HMS Liverpool 7 Aug 1918 Mudros
Following an accident on board, the previous day:
SHARPLES,
Arthur Able Seaman Service No. J/37713 died
07/08/1918 age 20 Royal Navy
EAST MUDROS MILITARY CEMETERY ref: III. I. 246
Rest in peace Mr. Sharples.
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HMS Liverpool 8 Dec 1918 Batum
SELLICK, LESLIE JOSEPH Able Seaman age 22yrs J/49989 died 7/12/1918 pneumonia
HAIDAR PASHA MEMORIAL
Rest in peace Mr. Sellick
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HMS Liverpool 20 Dec 1918 Batum
"2 Sick officers Lieut E L Ruck-Keene & Paymaster Sub-Lieut F E Sanders RN joined ship for passage to Malta"
21 Dec
"Lieut E L Ruck-Keene RN taking passage from HMS Superb found to be missing; presumed drowned"
22 Dec Constantinople
"9.30 Court of Inquiry assembled on board to inquire into the loss of Lieut E. L. Ruck-Keene RN
11.31 Court of Inquiry dissolved"
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HMS Liverpool 22 Dec 1918 Constantinople
"Ernest Hill AB RFR ON148261 aged 46 3/12 died on board, apparently of Heart Failure"
HILL,
ERNEST Able Seaman No. 148261
25/12/1918 46 Ref I. D. 9.
HAIDAR PASHA CEMETERY
Rest in peace Mr. Hill
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Hi Lollia,
I
think it's 'Shotley' which is a village near Harwich; it sounds
familiar and the Wikipedia entry for the village says it has connections
with naval life at Harwich.
Thank you so much for your help, helenj.
I edited the post :)
Sadly there was another death recorded in February 1914 log:
HMS St George, Destroyer Depot Ship,
Chatham, February 16th, 1914:
5.40 Regret to record death of Frederick T Archer. Blacksmith ON 343499 cause of death apparently suicide.'
'Sent remains of FT Archer to RN Hospital'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-61153/C6-ADM53-61153-0010_1.jpg
February 18th, 1914:
'Inquest held at RN Hospital on death of late F T Archer, Blacksmith. Verdict: Death due to suicide whilst temporarily insane.'
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-61153/C6-ADM53-61153-0011_1.jpg
RIP Federick T. Archer
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HMS St George, Destroyer Depot Ship,
Immingham, July 1915:
Sunday July 25th
William Meynell, stoker RNR reported missing from Motor Lighter X 50
Friday July 30th 2. pm
Found the body of William Meynell, stoker RNR in the Timber Pond at Immingham Dock.
Verdict at Coroner's inquest 'Found drpwned' no evidence to show how deceased got into the water.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-61159/0014_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-61159/0014_1.jpg
Rest in peace William Meynell
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St George - Immingham
25 Jan 1915 -
Hands employed cleaning torpedoes, assisting Meteor into dock, transporting her dead + wounded and as variously requisite in parts of ship.
27 Jan 1915 -
Exercised funeral party at funeral exercise.
28 Jan 1915 -
Landed Funeral party. Laid to rest the remains of 3 casualties landed from HMS Meteor.
http://www.naval-history.net/WW1Battle1501DoggerBank.htm
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HMS St George, Destroyer Depot Ship,
July 1915:
This is note added to the logs:
"S544
Return of deaths on board HMS 'Victory'
(Admiralty Motor Lightr X 121)
Date of death. 14 July 1915
Name and Surname of Deceased. Daniel Mc Kay
Sex. Male
Age. 40
Rank, Profession or Occupation. Able Seaman RNR
Nationality. Scotchman
Last place of Abode. Dalcharn. Tongue by Lairg.
Cause of Death. Verdict inquest held at Immingham on 17 July: -'Accidentally drowned'."
Rest in peace Daniel Mc Kay.
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No name for this one, but Himalaya on 7th June 1918 records one of
the ships in its convoy, SS Bakara (I think) stopped to commit to the
deep the body of a 'S.A. native'.
Rest in peace.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44357/ADM%2053-44357-222_1.jpg
And two more on the following day, another on SS Bakara, and one on SS Galway Castle. I wonder what's up?
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44357/ADM%2053-44357-223_0.jpg
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Since it's June 1918, could be the first wave of the Spanish Flu epidemic?
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Yes, I wondered about that so I kept a note of the numbers sick for
the rest of the month - and they were generally higher than usual,
ranging from 8 to 12. No one else seems to have died, fortunately,
and they're now back in Devonport, with only 2 sick.
But this
didn't last - before the ship was paid off in mid July the numbers had
gone up to a peak of 54, with a very big jump from 14 to 38 between the
7th and 8th July. By the last day, July 16th there was only 1 sick -
though I don't know how many crew were actually still on board by
then. They'd been discharging people to other ships, depot etc for
a while.
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HMS Hannibal, Alexandria, 20th October 1916
John McCarthy Petty Officer No. ON179094 aet 37 11/12 - committed suicide by cutting his own throat, while being depressed
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43712/235_0.jpg
A funeral party was landed the following day and a Court of Inquiry held over the death.
RIP John McCarthy
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HMS St George, Destroyer Depot Ship,
August 1915:
This is a note attached to the logs:
"Return of deaths on board HMS 'St George'
Date of death. 12th August 1915
Name and Surname of Deceased. Robert Luxton
Sex. Male
Age. 45
Rank, Profession or Occupation. Officers Steward 2nd class
Nationality. British
Last place of Abode. HMS 'St George'
Cause of Death. Heart Failure.
RIP Robert Luxton.
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HMS St George, Destroyer Depot Ship,
August 1915:
This is a note attached to the logs:
"Return of deaths on board HMS 'St George'
Date of death. 17th August 1915
Name and Surname of Deceased. Henry Edmund Martin
Sex. Male
Age. 20
Rank, Profession or Occupation. Stoker 1st class
Nationality. British
Last place of Abode. HMS 'Moy' at Immingham
Cause of Death. Coroner's enquiry (Drowning)
Rest in peace Henry Edmund Martin.
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HMS St George, Destroyer Depot Ship,
August 1915:
This is a note attached to the logs:
"Return of deaths on board HMS 'St George'
Date of death. 30th August 1915
Name and Surname of Deceased. William Coomber
Sex. Male
Age. 29
Rank, Profession or Occupation. Stoker 1st class.
Nationality. British
Last place of Abode. HMS 'Ness'
Cause of Death. Coroner's enquiry "Accidentally drowned"
Rest in peace William Coomber
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HMS St George, Destroyer Depot Ship,
This is a note attached to the logs:
"Return of deaths on board HMS 'St George'
Date of death. 9th September 1915
Name and Surname of Deceased. Gordon Patrick Comerford
Sex. Male
Age. 29
Rank, Profession or Occupation. Leading Stoker
Nationality. British
Last place of Abode. Naval Sick Quarters, Grimsby.
Cause of Death. Cirrhosis of liver.
RIP Gordon Patrick Comerford
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HMS St George, Destroyer Depot Ship,
This is a note attached to the logs:
"Return of deaths on board HMS 'St George'
Name and Surname of Deceased. George John Plummer
Age. 29
Sex. Male
Ranking. Stoker P.O.
Ship 'Panther'.
Date of death. 12th October,1915
Cause. Found dead
Date of Inquest. 20th October 1915
Rest in Peace George John Plummer
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HMS Valiant November 21stt, 1920
Master at Arms, C. Yearling, Lost overboard from drifter whilst returning from leave and drowned.
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RIP Charles Yearling
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HMS Topaze 7th September 1916
Francisco Guiseppe Tabone Seaman RNR Malta ON71B died from injuries received during Aiming Rifle Practice
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Naval History has the cause of death as illness ???
Topaze, light cruiser
TABONE, Francesco G, Seaman, RNR (Maltese), B 71, illness
Also found this picture of his memorial - http://www.historyofwar.org/Pictures/pictures_topaze_memorial.html
Rest in Peace Francesco Tabone
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HMS St George, Destroyer Depot Ship,
This is a note attached to the logs:
"Return of deaths on board HMS 'St George'
Date of death. 10th January, 1916
Name and Surname of Deceased. Septimus Mason
Sex. Male
Age. ----
Rank, Profession or Occupation. Leading trimmer RNR
Nationality. British
Last place of Abode. H 29 (H.B. 2) Lighter
Cause of Death. Killed by falling debris after explosion c. Helles.
Rest in Peace Septimus Mason.
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HMS St George, Destroyer Depot Ship,
"Return of deaths on board HMS 'St George'
Date of death. 19th May 1916
Name and Surname of Deceased. William Pyne
Sex. Male
Age. Not Known
Rank, Profession or Occupation. Chief Stoker (Pensioner)
Nationality. British
Last place of Abode. Lighter 11 at Salonika
Cause of Death. Apoplectic fit.
Rest in Peace William Pyne
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HMS St George, Destroyer Depot Ship,
"Return of deaths on board HMS 'St George'
Date of death. 21st June 1916
Name and Surname of Deceased. Charles Herace Halls
Sex. Male
Age. 23 years & 3 months
Rank, Profession or Occupation. Leading Stoker Royal Navy
Nationality. British
Last place of Abode. HMS St George
Cause of Death. Cardiac failure during the administration of an anaesthetic.
Rest in peace Charles H. Halls
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HMS St George, Destroyer Depot Ship,
"Return of deaths on board HMS 'St George'
Date of death. 25th June 1916
Name and Surname of Deceased. Michael O'Shea
Sex. Male
Age. Not Known
Rank, Profession or Occupation. Deck hand RNR (T)
Nationality. British
Last place of Abode. HM Tug 'Aguia'
Cause of Death. Accidental drowning.
Rest in Peace Michael O'Shea
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HMS St George, Destroyer Depot Ship,
"Return of deaths on board HMS 'St George'
Date of death. 29th June 1916
Name and Surname of Deceased. John Coulson
Sex. Male
Age. 30 years & 10 months
Rank, Profession or Occupation. Trimmer RNR (T)
Nationality. British
Last place of Abode. HM Hospital Ship 'St Margaret of Scotland'
Cause of Death. Fever
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Rest in peace John Coulston
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HMS St George, Destroyer Depot Ship,
"Return of deaths on board HMS 'St George'
Date of death. 5th July 1916
Name and Surname of Deceased. George Mildren
Sex. Male
Age. ---
Rank, Profession or Occupation. Chief Stoker Royal Fleet Reserve
Nationality. British
Last place of Abode. HM Motor Lighter k 52 Salonika
Cause of Death. Syncope
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Rest in peace George Mildren
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HMS St George, Destroyer Depot Ship,
"Return of deaths on board HMS 'St George'
Date of death. 12th July 1916
Name and Surname of Deceased. William Henry Westgate
Sex. Male
Age. 31 years& 1 month
Rank, Profession or Occupation. Ships Steward
Nationality. British
Last place of Abode. HMS 'St George'
Cause of Death. Cirrhosis of liver (secondary cardiac failure)
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rest in peace William Henry Westgate
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HMS St George, Destroyer Depot Ship,
"Return of deaths on board HMS 'St George'
Date of death. 25th August 1916
Name and Surname of Deceased. Norman MacLean
Sex. Male
Age. Not Known
Rank, Profession or Occupation. Deck Hand Royal Naval Reserve Trawler Section
Nationality. British
Last place of Abode. Tug C.U. 11
Cause of Death. Compound fracture of pelvis, caused by being crushed between two lighters.
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Rest in peace Norman MacLean
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HMS St George, Destroyer Depot Ship,
"Return of deaths on board HMS 'St George'
Date of death. 10th September 1916
Name and Surname of Deceased. John Henry Rose
Sex. Male
Age. 37 years 3 months
Rank, Profession or Occupation. Leading Seaman Royal Fleet Reserve
Nationality. British
Last place of Abode. HM Torpedo Boat No 29
Cause of Death. Dysentry
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Rest in peace John Henry Rose
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HMS St George, Destroyer Depot Ship,
"Return of deaths on board HMS 'St George'
Date of death. 18 .9. 1916
Name and Surname of Deceased. Amos Enock Webb
Sex. Male
Age. 36
Rank, Profession or Occupation. Trimmer. Royal Naval Reserve. Trawler Section
Nationality. British
Last place of Abode. HMS 'St George'
Cause of Death. Abcess on liver
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RIP Amos Enok Webb
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HMS St George, Destroyer Depot Ship,
"Return of deaths on board HMS 'St George'
Date of death. 21st September 1916
Name and Surname of Deceased. Frederick John Pollard
Sex. Male
Age. 23
Rank, Profession or Occupation. Trimmer
Nationality. British
Last place of Abode. HMS 'St George'
Cause of Death. Cerebral hemorrage.
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There is a log dealing with Frederick John Pollard death in the logbook:
September 21st, 1916
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"7/45
PM: Trimmer Frederick John Pollard was found on the Mess deck
inconcious & on being examined by the P.M.O. pronounced dead"
September 29th, 1916:
'Enquiry held on board into the circumnstances of the death of F.J. Pollard, trimmer RNR, on Sept. 21st-16"
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Rest in peace Frederick John Pollard
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HMS Hannibal, 21st March 1917, Alexandria.
D.D in 21st
General Hospital Alexandria, George Battista Busuttil, Officers Cook 1st
class aged 45 years Maltese from Typhus Fever.
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Rest in peace, George Busuttil
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HMS St George, Destroyer Depot Ship,
Return of Deaths on board H.M.S. "St George".
Date of Death. 30th September 1916.
Name and Surname of Deceased. John Buxton Hope
Sex. Male.
Age. 31 years 10 months.
Rank, Profession, or Occupation. Trimmer. Royal Naval Reserve Trawler Section.
Nationality. British.
Last Place of Abode. R.N. Hospital, Malta.
Cause of Death. Malarial Fever.
11th Oct 1916
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RIP John Buxton Hope
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HMS St George, Destroyer Depot Ship,
Return of Deaths on board H.M.S "St George".
Date of Death. 8th October 1916.
Name and Surname of Deceased. Ivor Williams.
Sex. Male.
Age. 20 years 6 months.
Rank, Profession, or Occupation. Trimmer. Royal Naval Reserve. (T)
Nationality. British.
Last Place of Abode. 42'nd General Hospital, Salonika.
Cause of Death. Malaria Fever.
9th Oct 1916
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RIP Ivor Williams
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HMS Hannibal 13 Nov 1917 Alexandria
"D.D. Oct 20th 1917 at RN Hospital Malta.
Thomas Edward Ward PO. Off. No. 234948 HMS Mimosa aged 28 years.
Home address 39 Broad Street Cornwall Road Lambeth SE from Enteric fever"
From CWGC:
Grave Ref. Prot. 357. MALTA (CAPUCCINI) NAVAL CEMETERY
Rest in Peace Mr. Ward
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HMS St George, Destroyer Depot Ship,
Return of Deaths on board H.M.S "St George".
Date of Death. 5th November 1916
Name and Surname of Deceased. Frederick Henry Davies
Sex. Male.
Age. 28 years
Rank, Profession, or Occupation. Trimmer. RNR (T)
Nationality. British.
Last Place of Abode. Salonika
Cause of Death. Found drowned.
Rest in peace Frederick Henry Davies.
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Return of Deaths on board H.M.S "St George".
Date of Death. 17th November1916
Name and Surname of Deceased. Edward Alexander Leigh Carte RNR
Sex. Male.
Age. about 45 to 50
Rank, Profession, or Occupation. Sub-Lieutenant RNR
Nationality. British.
Last Place of Abode. HM Fleet Messenger 'Overton'
Cause of Death. Heart failure.
Rest in Peace Edward Alexander Leigh Carte.
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Return of Deaths on board H.M.S "St George".
Date of Death. 31st December 1916
Name and Surname of Deceased. William Gillies
Sex. Male.
Age. 36
Rank, Profession, or Occupation. Trimmer. (RNR T)
Nationality. British.
Last Place of Abode. Motor Lighter K 39
Cause of Death. Found dead in bed.
Rest in Peace William Gillies
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Return of Deaths on board H.M.S "St George".
Date of death 21st February 1917
Arthur James Stoyle, Pte. RMLI, British
Frank Hamilton, 3rd Engeneer, British
Rober Jones, 2nd Mate, British
Donald Cowan, Lieut RNR, British
John W. Cowen, Trimmer (T), British
Sydney Pearson, Seaman, British
Alexander Clugston, Seaman, British
David Irving, Seaman, British
Henry McCarthy, Donkeyman, British
David Jaimie, fireman, British
George Cruice, Fireman, British
John Kerruish, Fireman, British
Charles Tardito, Fireman, British
Bernard Gobney, Asst. Steward, British
Matthew Lonergar, Sculion, British
Thomas Greggor, Carpenter, British
henry Tiley, Greaser, British
Timothy O'Keefe, Seaman, British
Francis Walker, Pte. RMLI, British
Clarence Apsay, 2nd Steward, British
Stephen Cornish, Seaman, British
Frank Comyn, Ships Cook
Guiseppe Farrugia, Asst. Steward, Maltese
Guiseppe Bartolo, Greaser, British
Carmelo Bonnett, Asst. Steward, British
Cause of death: Drowning in Princess Alberta
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Rest in peace.
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Return of Deaths on board H.M.S "St George".
Date of Death. 11th May 1917
Name and Surname of Deceased. Edward Butler
Sex. Male.
Age. Not Known
Rank, Profession, or Occupation. Deck Hand Royal Naval Reserve, Trawler Section
Nationality. British.
Last Place of Abode. HMFM 'Celtic Pride'
Cause of Death. Accidental, by falling down ship's hold.
Rest in peace Edward Butler
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Return of Deaths on board H.M.S "St George".
Date of Death. 4th June 1917
Name and Surname of Deceased. Frederick William Tarr
Sex. Male.
Age. 51 years 8 months
Rank, Profession, or Occupation. Petty officer 1st class. Pensioner Royal Fleet Reserve.
Nationality. British.
Last Place of Abode. Hospital Ship 'St Margaret of Scotland'
Cause
of Death. accidental. Caused by parting of strop whilst
unloading sacks of grain, several of which fell on tarr's head.
Rest in Peace Mr Tarr.
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Return of Deaths on board H.M.S "St George".
Date of Death. 21st June 1917
Name and Surname of Deceased. Arthur Spencer
Sex. Male.
Age. 42 years
Rank, Profession, or Occupation. Leading Seaman. Royal Fleet Reserve.
Nationality. British.
Last Place of Abode. Motor Lighter K 29
Cause of Death. Accidentally drowned
Rest in Peace Arthur Spencer
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From HMS Hannibal, 21st January 1918, in Alexandria.
on
Dec 31st 1917 Edward Caygill Ord S. Off No. JY5031 age 19 yrs. of
H.M.S. "Odin" whilst taking passage in H.M.S. "Osmaniel". Reported
missing on that ship being sunk by a mine of Alexandria. Next of Kin.
Mother. address. 13 Fulton Terrace. Shildon Bishop. Auckland.
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I searched around and found the following newspaper site with a description of the action:
The Great War in Europe (http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/34181907?searchTerm=American+Airman+Rescued)
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From the logs of HMS Hildebrand:
12.08.1918
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1.45 SS Palermo signalled "Man Overboard" proceeded towards rear of Convoy. Man not saved (Jose Viegnas, pantry boy).
14.08.1918
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10.10 Stopped to lower seaboat with Surgeon for Prah
1.15 Boat returned with Surgeon and 1 Patient
6.00
Thomas H Thirlwall ... 17 yrs 358 dys old. Tally Clerk, SS Prah
... died of Remittent Fever & Broncho Pneumonia
15.08.1918
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8.45 a/c to Station astern of Convoy to bury Thirlwall of SS Prah
9.30 Burial Service
11.10.1918
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2.30 Herbert Dale, Seaman RNR (A5820) died with Acute Lobar Pneumonia Right & left lung
The Burial Service took place the next day.
Per CWGC he was 23 years old.
15.10.1918
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5.00 George Robertson, Scullion, Mercantile Marine Reserve, died of Diphtheria
The Burial Service took place the next day.
Per CWGC he was 19 years old.
Rest in Peace Jose Viegnas, Thomas Thirlwall, Herbert Dale and George Robertson.
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Return of Deaths on board H.M.S "St George".
Date of Death. 4th july 1917
Name and Surname of Deceased. John William Watson
Sex. Male.
Age. 22 years
Rank, Profession, or Occupation. trimmer RNR (T)
Nationality. British.
Last Place of Abode. HMS 'Aster'
Cause of Death. Drowning in HMS 'Aster' sunk 4th July 1917
Rest in Peace John William Watson
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Return of Deaths on board H.M.S "St George".
Date of Death. 18th July 1917
Name and Surname of Deceased. Donald Graham Hewlett
Sex. Male.
Age. about 42 years
Rank, Profession, or Occupation. Fleet Paymaster, Royal Navy.
Nationality. British.
Last Place of Abode. Hospital Ship 'St Margaret of Scotland'
Cause of Death. Dysentery
Rest in Peace Donald Graham Hewlett
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Return of Deaths on board H.M.S "St George".
List of casualties from the loss of HMFM 'Ermine', 2nd August 1917.
Age. not known (all of them).
Nationalilty British (all of them)
Cause of death: drowning
David Murd, Temporary Sub Lieutenant RNR (T124Z)
John Thomson, Third Engeneer
Hugh Tallant, Stoker RNR
John Parry, Telegraphist RNVR
John Cowan, Carpenter under T124Z agreement
Hector Mc Cullum, Seaman under T124Z agreement
Hugh Mc Cullum, Seaman under T124Z agreement
Norman Mc Donald, Seaman under T124Z agreement
Thomas Cross, Donkeyman under T124Z agreement
Edward O'Donnell, Greaser under T124Z agreement
Hugh Taylor, Greaser under T124Z agreement
Robert Edgar, Greaser under T124Z agreement
William Mc Lachlan, Fireman under T124Z agreement
David Moore, Fireman under T124Z agreement
John Robson, Frieman under T124Z agreement
John Kerr, Trimmer under T124Z agreement
Frank Mc Nab,2nd Steward under T124Z agreement
John Thurlow, Asst. Cook under T124Z agreement
Albert Bayes, Trimmer under T124Z agreement
William Charles Johnson, Fireman under T124Z agreement
Charles Sharp, Boy 1st class
Rest in Peace
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Return of Deaths on board H.M.S "St George".
Date of Death. 18th November 1917
Name and Surname of Deceased. William Osborne Cowling
Sex. Male.
Age. 48
Rank, Profession, or Occupation. Petty Officer 11 Royal Navy.
Nationality. British.
Last Place of Abode. Motor Lighter K 59
Cause of Death. Drowning
Rest in Peace Mr Cowling
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Return of Deaths on board H.M.S "St George".
Date of Death. 26th July1918
Name and Surname of Deceased. Oswald Hanmer J 70233
Sex. Male.
Age. 19
Rank, Profession, or Occupation. Ordinary Seaman
Nationality. British.
Last Place of Abode. 43rd General Hospital Salonika
Cause of Death. Dysentery
Rest in Peace Oswald Hanmer
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Return of Deaths on board H.M.S "St George".
Date of Death. 10th August 1918
Name and Surname of Deceased. Frank George Hyde
Sex. Male.
Age. 20 years 4 months
Rank, Profession, or Occupation. Able Seaman, Royal Navy (Hostilities only)
Nationality. British.
Last Place of Abode. 43rd General Hospital Salonika
Cause of Death. Accidental death. Spinal injuries caused by fallling down hold of HM Transfert 'Harperly'
Rest in Peace Frank George Hyde
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Return of Deaths on board H.M.S "St George".
Date of Death. 20th September 1918
Name and Surname of Deceased. Frederick Henry Twiner
Sex. Male.
Age. 42 years
Rank, Profession, or Occupation. Stoker Petty Officer (Pensioner)
Nationality. British.
Last Place of Abode. 49th Military General Hospital Salonika
Cause of Death. Influenza and Bronchial Pneumonia.
Rest in Peace Mr Twiner.
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Return of Deaths on board H.M.S "St George".
Date of Death. 7th November 1918
Name and Surname of Deceased. Hollobone Horace
Sex. Male.
Age. 20years & 5 months
Rank, Profession, or Occupation. Able Seaman RN s/s7515
Nationality. British
Last Place of Abode. 49th Military General Hospital Salonika
Cause of Death. Dysentery and Clinical Malaria.
Rest in Peace Horace Hollobone.
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Return of Deaths on board H.M.S "St George".
Date of Death. 21st November 1918
Name and Surname of Deceased. William Hobson 310797
Sex. Male.
Age. 34 4/12
Rank, Profession, or Occupation. Stoker 1st class Royal Navy
Nationality. British.
Last Place of Abode. Torpedo Boat N. 070
Cause of Death. Drowning (accidental)
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in the log page of November 21st 1918 is reported:
'Signal
received from White Tower for boat to convey rating seriously injured
onboard HMS St George. Stoker Hobson brought onboard, artificial
respiration carried on for 35 minutes. Medical Officer pronounced life
to be extinct.'
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Rest in Peace Mr Hobson
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Return of Deaths on board H.M.S "St George".
Datof Death. 7th December 1918
Name and Surname of Deceased. William Stewart
Sex. Male.
Age. 30 years 3 months
Rating. Leading Seaman
Official Number 233149
Nationality. British.
Last Place of Abode. HM Ship 'St George' (Harbour Launch 97)
Cause of Death. Pneumonia.
Rest in peace William Stewart
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Return of Deaths on board H.M.S "St George".
Datof Death. January 1st 1919
Name of Deceased. Samuel (only name)
Sex. Male.
Age. 25
Rating. Asst. Cook
Nationality. West African
Last Place of Abode. HM Tug 'Langton'
Cause of Death. Broncho Pneumonia.
Rest in Pace Samuel
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Return of deaths onboard HMS St George (Kinross) this 16th June 1919:
Last palce of abode: HMS Kinross
Robinson Bracewell, aged 41, British, Ch ERA mc, killed by mine explosion on sinking of HMS Kinross
John Beames, aged 23, British, Cooksmate mc, killed by mine explosion on sinking of HMS Kinross
Emilio Monti, aged 56, Maltese, Off. Stew.d 2nd class, killed by mine explosion on sinking of HMS Kinross
Samuel Collard Webber, aged 39, British, Leading Stoker mc, missing presumed drowned
Albert Henry Brooks, aged 23, British, Stoker 1st class, missing presumed drowned
James Albert Fethbridge, aged 26, British, Stoker 1st class, missing presumed drowned
Edward Allan Richards, aged 27, British, Stoker 1st class, missing presumed drowned
Henry Jhos Stone, aged 23, British, Stoker 1st class, missing presumed drowned
Ralph Joyce, aged 25, British, Stoker 1st class, missing presumed drowned
William Stanley Oliver, aged 24, British, A.B. mc, missing presumed drowned
Arthur Flood, aged 38, British, Stoker PO mc, missing presumed drowned
Rest in Peace
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HMS St George, June 17th, 1919:
'Died this day at RN Hospital
Mudros Duncan McCorguadale Act ERA 4th class, aged 22, through multiple
burns + shock sustained on sinking of HMS 'Kinross'.
Rest in peace Duncan Mc Corguadale
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HMS Dalhousie, Depot/Troopship
Bombay, September 15th, 1918:
'8.00
(about) Staff Surg. T.C.D. Marshall RNVR departed this life at
Colaba War (Infectious) Hospital. Cause of death: Cholera'
'5.30
Interred the remains of the late Staff Surg. T.C.D. Marshall RNVR
at Sewver R. C. Cemetery with full Naval and Military honours.'
Rest in Peace Mr Marshall
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HMS Kinsha 10 Jan 1921 Shanghai
Ernest Daniel Clarke A.B. discovered dead on shore at 7am.
Service No. DEV/J/44313 SAI WAN (CHINA) MEMORIAL
Rest in Peace, Mr Clarke.
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I was just about to post the same Ernest Daniel Clarke - you beat me to it
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I was just about to post the same Ernest Daniel Clarke - you beat me to it
Well spotted. I usually check before posting, but sometimes I forget.
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HMS Sandpiper, 20th September 1913 (and therefore not on navalhistory.net)
They record the funeral, and then a court of inquiry, into the death of (I think) Henry Glozier AB. No more details.
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HMS Laburnum
James F.COWLING, Stoker 1st class, K 23934
"Thorough
investigation and search having been made I regret to state that there
is no doubt that James F.Cowling an K23934 met his death by being hit by
? bowsprit of a lugger and knocked over the side of the motor
launch when returning on board from shore at 0020 today."
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Any suggestions for the word where I've put the ?
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the ?
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It makes sense in the context, but it looks to me as though there's a
dot over one of the letters, and this does seem to be someone who puts
the dots in close proximity to the letter it belongs to! But I
can't come up with anything better.
Fortunately it doesn't matter desperately .... :D
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I believe that it isn't a dot; it's the cross of his "t".
See two & three lines below for other examples of "the".
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Orbita - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-53512/0007_1.jpg
dist (for distance) clearly shows the difference between the dot of an 'i' and the cross of a 't'.
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I defer to the experts .... :D
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Thank you, I just hate leaving a gap and it is usually the most obvious words that I can't see.
R.I.P. James Cowling.
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Orbita, armed merchant cruiser
TURNER, William H, Chief Petty Officer (RFR A 4012), 147671 (Dev), illness in California
R.I.P. William TURNER
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Hawkins 11th September 1923 in Yokohama
Landed working parties for burying British dead, recovering valuables etc
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I was curious and looked up why. That was a devastating
earthquake in the port the week before! They must have been coming
to give relief supplies, as well as honoring their own dead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1923_Great_Kant%C5%8D_earthquake
The
Great Kantō earthquake struck the Kantō plain on the Japanese main
island of Honshū at 11:58:44 am JST (2:58:44 UTC) on Saturday, September
1, 1923. Varied accounts hold that the duration of the earthquake was
between 4 and 10 minutes.[2] This is the deadliest earthquake in
Japanese history, and at the time was the most powerful earthquake ever
recorded in the region. The 2011 Tōhoku earthquake later surpassed that
record.
...
Casualty estimates range from about 142,800 deaths,
including approximately 40,000 who went missing and were presumed dead.
The damage from this natural disaster was the greatest sustained by
Prewar Japan. In 1960, the government of Japan declared September 1, the
anniversary of the quake, as an annual "Disaster Prevention Day."
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Some photos of the aftermath of the quake here,
http://www.japan-guide.com/a/earthquake2/
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On HMS Renown in Portsmouth, 21 July 1922:
'Landed funeral party to attend funeral of P.O. Ayton.'
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Rest in Peace, Petty Officer Ayton.
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HMS Dartmouth, 8th September at Simonstown,
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'Landed funeral party to attend funeral of late G. Peek AB off.No.'
From Naval-history-net,
Monday, 6 September 1920
Dartmouth, 2nd class cruiser
PEEK, Albert G, Able Seaman, 237697, illness
Rest in Peace.
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HMS Tamar, Base Ship, Hong Kong December 26th, 1915:
3.27: Ch 5622 P.te Frank Penfold
RMLI age 43 9/12 died at RN Hospital for multiple injuries received in
falling from window of Dockyard Signal Station onto a sloping roof &
then to the ground. A distance about 40 ft.
9.15 Edwin Manley E.R.A. 3rd class ON 271631 age 37 5/12 of HMS Whiting died on board Tamar cause of death acute cardiac failure.
December 27th,1915:
3.45 Landed funeral parties for burial of Edwin Manley E.R.A. and Frank Penfold Private RMLI.
Rest in peace Frank Penfold and Edward Manley
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Return of Deaths on board H.M.S "Wisteria".
Date of Death. 2nd March 1921
Name and Surname of Deceased. William Edwards
Sex. Male.
Age. 27 years 1 month
Rank, Profession, or Occupation. Stoker Petty Officer, Royal Navy.
Nationality. English.
Last Place of Abode. HMS Wisteria, lying off Brighton Pier, Trinidad.
Cause of Death. Shock following rupture of spleen.
Rest in Peace William Edwards
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Raleigh 11th November 1921.
Able Seaman Joseph Brennan Lost overboard and not recovered.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82271/0062_1.jpg
RIP
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HMS Aphis, 2nd January 1921, at Constantinople,
'Departed this life by accidentally falling into No 3 Dry Dock,
Edward McDermott,Leading Seaman, Official Number 208984.'
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From Naval-history-net,
Sunday, 2 January 1921
Aphis, river gunboat
MCDERMOTT, Edward, Leading Seaman, 208984, accident
Rest in peace.
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HMS Tamar, Base Ship, Hong Kong, July 18th, 1917
Date of Death. 18th July 1917
Name Henry Amor
Sex. Male.
Age. 30 years 7/12
Rank Private R.M.L.I.
Died at Military Hospital, Tanglin Singapore
Cause Pneumonia
Rest in Peace Henry Amor
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From the War Graves Photographic Project:
AMOR,
HENRY GILES, Kranji War Cemetery, Singapore Kranji, Private,
PO/13143. H.M.S. "Tamar.". Royal Marine Light Infantry. 18th July 1917.
Age 30. Son of Henry and Julia Amor, of 18, Milford Hill, Salisbury.
37. E. 2.
http://twgpp.org/information.php?id=735963
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On HMS Glory, 7 August 1914, the log reports the death and burial at
sea of Guiseppe Calleja, Captains Cook. Cause of death is given
as 'apoplexy'. The spelling in the log is slightly different to
the spelling given on naval-History.net.
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Rest in Peace, Giuseppe Calleja
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HMS Mantis 24 Jan 1922 Shasi
Herbert Hodnett AB Royal Navy died aboard SS Tungwo while on passage to Hospital at Hankow.
Service No. 218089 Age 37 yrs. 310 days. Sex Male.
Nationality British. Last place of abode Shasi, China Station.
Cause of death, pneumonia.
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HMS Mantua, Sierra Leone
Pneumonia caused the deaths of:
Edward Dawson, AB, August 24, 1918
Sidney Durston, wardroom steward, August 25, 1918
George Morris, steward, September 1, 1918
The bodies of Edward Dawson and Sidney Durston were sent ashore on August 25 .
The body of George Morris was committed to the deep on September 1.
Rest in peace
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Other deaths among the Mantua's crew in August 1918:
15.08.1918 Patrick McFarlane (MM Rating)
20.08.1918 William Sutton AB
21.08.1918 Pte William K Glazzard RMLI & H Tilling OS RNVR
23.08.1918 P Off Gilbert Francis Brown
24.08.1918 Albert J Young AB, Ponny Morris (Steward MM Rating) & Lg Seaman H A Taylor
27.08.1918 Pte D Copland RMLI
All
deaths were recorded as being from pneumonia. With the three
deaths previously posted by Caro, that makes 12 altogether.
Rest in peace.
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The pneumonia was caused by the Spanish Flu. H.M.S. Mantua must have
brought it to Sierra Leone and than infected H.M.S. Africa through
dockyard workers.
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Indeed she did - there's a reference to the Mantua in a book I have
about the Spanish Flu epidemic. I've looked at all the log pages
for that particular voyage and am drafting a lengthy post on the
subject! But I'm going to have to finish it tomorrow since it's
gone 9pm and the cats haven't had their tea yet! (So they will be
getting very >:( if I don't tear myself away from the computer
very, very soon!)
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You mean they haven't started walking all over the keyboard yet, to make their feelings obvious?
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I'm surprised you have a hand free to type - especially cats
plural. When I had cats my hands were for only two things,
stroking them and feeding them with just occasional interludes for
opening doors - for them of course. Your cats obviously haven't
read the instructions for the training of humans.
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HMS Mutine, at Bermuda, on the 30th July 1920,
'Departed this life Vice Admiral Sir Trevelyan D.W. Napier, KCB tc, Commander-in-chief, at
Admiralty House'
Rest in Peace.
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28 October 1918, HMS Macedonia, at Dakar
8.45pm George P
Jones, Butcher, MMR - no cause of death given in the log, shown as
illness on the Naval History website. He was buried at sea the
following day.
Rest in Peace
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From the log of HMS Glory, 18 February 1915:
'Master-at-Arms John Sellick departed this life at 7.0 ~ Age 39. Cause of death Internal haemorrhage. (sic)'
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From naval-history.net:
Glory, pre-Dreadnought battleship
SELLICK, John, Master at Arms, 161553, illness
Mr Sellick was buried in Halifax on 20 February.
Rest in Peace, John Sellick
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HMS Moldavia, Armed Merchant Cruiser.
September 6th, 1917, Glasgow:
'10 32: Charles Jolly, Gunner R.M.A. ON A/0606, A/3772, accidentally drowned through falling into dock.'
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From http://www.royalmarinesonline.com/red-duster-brigade-wwi-1917-1918.php
JOLLY
, CHARLES Gunner Royal Marine Artillery H.M.S. Moldavia Age: 45 Drowned
Date of Death: 06/09/1917 Service No: RMA/3772 Additional information:
Son of Charles Jolly, of Chislehurst; husband of Florence Emily Jolly,
of 64, Sussex Rd., Brixton, London. Grave Reference: Near West boundary.
Cemetery: CHISLEHURST (ST. NICHOLAS) CHURCHYARD Picture of his grave
http://www.twgpp.org/information.php?id=614463
Above that entry there is a picture of HMS Moldavia.
Rest in peace Charles Jolly.
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HMS Mutine, 7th September, 1921, RN Dockyard, Bermuda,
alongside Sheer-leg jetty, N.Basin,
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'Stoker William Johnson, Off. No. 55123848, accidentally
drowned while bathing alongside
the ship.Rigged diving gear.
1810 Diver went down to search for body till dark.
1850 Sweeping for body continued until 2300'
The search for the body continued for several days, until Sept' 13th when the
body was located and recovered; the funeral is recorded on the 14th.
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From Naval-history-net,
'Wednesday, 7 September 1921
Mutine, ex-sloop, survey ship
JOHNSON, William, Stoker 1c, SS 123848, drowned'
May he rest in peace.
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The log of HMS Glory records the deaths of two ABs on 23 September
1915. Both men appear to have died of dysentry in Alexandria in
hospital. Naval-history.net reports the deaths as follows:
Glory, pre-Dreadnought battleship
MURRELL, Frank, Able Seaman, 203155, illness
Glory, pre-Dreadnought battleship
GODDEN, Richard, Able Seaman, 144561, illness
The log page is at:
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Rest in peace, Frank Murrell and Richard Godden
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HMS Hilary, 26th December 1914:
2.30pm Private Waugh Ply
16649 RMLI fell overboard in Lat 60 21 N Long 5 14 W. Let go
lifebuoy, stopped a/c 16 points searched the vicinity till 3pm but no
trace, heavy squall, force of wind 10, very high dangerous sea.
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Rest in peace, Andrew Waugh
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HMS Grafton 27th April 1914:
Landed funeral party to inter remains of V A Stokes. Halfmasted colours.
I haven't been able to find any more details, as it's a pre war record.
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HMS Edinburgh Castle 20th Ocber 1914 Abrolhos Island
Whaler went away sailing at 2 capsized, men rescued by ships galley & pinnace from "Cornwall"
Lieut Comr Frederick William Whitton RNR was found to be apparently drowned
Artificial respiration was tried by ships surgeon & abandoned at 3.30pm
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21st October 1914
Committed the body of the late Lieut Comr Frederick William Whitton to the deep
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RIP Frederick William Whitton
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HMS Devonshire
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Shipwright George Henry Wright (M 15458) reported missing Washed overboard from foc'le.
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HMS Hilary, had a terrible time over the end of December 1914,
beginning of January 1915. On 31st December they took a Norwegian
barque Maryetta in tow - it had become dismasted. They'd found it the
previous day and stayed with it until daylight. The tow continued
until late on January 1st when at 11.50pm they recorded:
Barque sent up rocket, stopped & communicated with morse lamp, he reported, sprung a leak and sinking.
Then early in the morning of 2nd January comes this:
0.15
Signalled from barque that they were going to abandon ship. 12.30
slipped towing hawser & manoeuvred vessel to get to windward of
barque. 12.40 boat & crew left the ship. 1.0 boat
capsized, engines as required to pick up crew. 1.15 Barque sank in
Lat 59 32 N long 2 6 W 1.20 Lowered port sea boat & picked up
six men, among the lost were Sub Lieut O E Miles RNR and signalman
Frank Scott ON, DJ, 5747 2 hoisted sea boat & proceeded SSE 10
knots.
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From CWGC:
MILES, OSMOND EDWARD
Rank: Sub-Lieutenant
Date of Death: 02/01/1915
Regiment/Service: Royal Naval Reserve
H.M.S. "Hilary."
Memorial PLYMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL
Additional Information: (none)
SCOTT, FRANK
Rank: Signalman
Service No: J/5747
Date of Death: 02/01/1915
Regiment/Service: Royal Navy
H.M.S. "Hilary."
Memorial PLYMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL
Additional Information:
Brother of Charles Scott, of 54, Arnot St., Walton, Liverpool.
Rest in peace.
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HMS Edinburgh Castle
12th November 1914
6 Walter Stokes Private R.M.L.I. RFR Ch. B/1594 H. company DEPARTED THIS LIFE
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13th November 1914
5.40 Committed the body of the late Walter Stokes R.M.L.I. to the deep Lat. 18.07S Long. 38.45W
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RIP Walter Stokes
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HMS Iphigenia 3rd Decemeber 1915, somewhere around Murmansk/Archangel area:
Able
seaman R.J.Etheridge R.N.R was lost overboard while in execution of his
duty. Stopped both. Switched on searchlights +searched for man, without
finding him. Sea too rough to lower a boat.
Naval History record : ETHERIDGE, Robert J, Deck Hand, RNR, 2673 SD, drowned
RIP Robert Etheridge
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HMS Edinburgh Castle 26th December 1914
John McAulay Seaman RNR was found to be missing this morning. A search was made but with no result Reg No C1652
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HMS Edinburgh Castle 28th December 1914
An
enquiry was held this day in accordance with Kings Regulations re
disapperance of John McAulay verdict being that he went overboard cause
unknown
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Both Naval History and CWGC record that he drowned, under the surname MacAulay
RIP
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Not sure if this fits here.
HMS Moldavia lost at sea 23 May 1918.
Last log entry 31 March 1918.
I guess the April, May logs went down with the ship?
They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old;
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.
From the elegy For The Fallen, by English poet and writer Laurence Binyon
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HMS Edinburgh Castle 4th Jan 1915, Plymouth
The log keeper has recorded the date as 1914; he got the 1st/2nd correct and then reverted back to 1914
3.30 R. White Stoker RNR of RN Barracks brought on board from the Quay unconcious
4.10 R. White expired & his body was discharged to shore
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Naval History record his death as illness
RIP
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HMS Gloucestershire, Armed Merchant Cruiser.
April 7th, 1916, on patrol:
Noon Lat 57 52N Long 15 20W
8.0 p.m. Lat 57 34N Long 16 39W:
at
6.20 p.m. Man overboard from fore rigging. Lifebuoys thrown and
launched tow boats which thoroughly searched vicinity without success.
7.10 p.m. boats retireved.
7.40 p.m. Proceeded on course N 64 E
That man's name has not been reported, but the log says that he was at time clad in heavy clothing, seaboots, etc.
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From Naval History casualty list April 1916:
Gloucestershire, armed merchant cruiser
CAREY, George C, Able Seaman, RNVR, Wales Z 1089, drowned
http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1916-04Apr.htm
Rest in Peace George C. Carey.
I reported coordinates and time to make possible to establish exactly where he fell overboard.
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HMS Glory 7th Dec 1915 - Killed by shell fire Percy Harcourt Hall
Date of birth 28th May 1889
Name Hall, Percy Harcourt
Sex Male
Age 27
Date of Death 7th Dec 1915
Rating Stoker 1st class
Nationality British
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43021/0004_1.jpg
Rest in peace
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Edwin Henry Martell Sto Po O.N. 310682. Killed in action. His body was landed the 10th and the funeral held the next day.
Rest in Peace Edwin Henry Martell.
The
whole description on the Battle of the Falkland Islands has been posted
at http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=2205.0
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William Cavanagh died on board HMS Falmouth 14 Jan 1915 while she was anchored in Scapa Flow.
He was buried next day in Flotta Churchyard, a funeral party from Falmouth attended.
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-41443/ADM53-41443-069_1.jpg)
Seaman
William Cavanagh RNR, service number 1112/D, died of disease and was
buried in Flotta Churchyard the following day in the presence of a group
of his shipmates. He was born in Liverpool 30 Jun 1968 and left a widow
Julia at 8 Jarvis St, off Athal St, Liverpool. RIP
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HMS Glasgow at Port Stanley.
10 Dec 1914
'Landed the body of Snr P.O. Martell killed in action.' (when was not mentioned)
11 Dec 1914
'Burial party landed'
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HMS Glasgow at Port Stanley.
10 Dec 1914
'Landed the body of Snr P.O. Martell killed in action.' (when was not mentioned)
11 Dec 1914
'Burial party landed'
from Commonwealth War Graves Commission
MARTELL,
EDWIN HENRY Petty Officer
Stoker service no. 310682 died
08/12/1914 age 26
Royal Navy nationality United Kingdom
Grave ref. I.783. STANLEY CEMETERY, FALKLAND ISLANDS
R.I.P. Mr. Martell
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would you believe my logs went from the 7th to the 9th.
The 8th must still be floating about in the ocean.
I missed the battle and his death.
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Devonshire 2 April 1917
Landed Funeral party and Firing Party for funeral of the late W. Coults A.B. RNR td.
No details mentioned about the cause (I did most of March)
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Requieat in Pacem.
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Your log keeper's writing looks very clear, but I can't find a W. Coults . I did find this on naval-history.net and CWGC:
Sunday, 1 April 1917
Devonshire, cruiser
COUTTS, Lawrence B, Seaman, RNR, L 1368, illness
Leading Seaman
Son of William and Annie Elizabeth Coutts, of Hubie, Fetlar, Shetland Islands.
With no log of his death, he may have died in a Halifax hospital.
Rest in Peace, Lawrence Coutts.
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Your log keeper's writing looks very clear, but I can't find a W. Coults . I did find this on naval-history.net and CWGC:
Sunday, 1 April 1917
Devonshire, cruiser
COUTTS, Lawrence B, Seaman, RNR, L 1368, illness
Leading Seaman
Son of William and Annie Elizabeth Coutts, of Hubie, Fetlar, Shetland Islands.
With no log of his death, he may have died in a Halifax hospital.
Looking again, I could go with 'Coutts' But the first part sure looks like a 'W' to me!! A nickname perhaps??!!
In
any case - the timing would be correct since the funeral was held on
the 2nd. I'll try to look araound and see what I can find.
Thanks,Janet.
Blessings,
Dean
Rest in Peace, Lawrence Coutts.
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It looks like a W to me too.
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HMS Edinburgh Castle, 7th Nov 1915, Liverpool
3/50 T.Nesbit, Chief Armourer killed
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RIP
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HMS Edinburgh Castle, 11th March 1916
6.30 J. Ainsley PT. RMLI died
4.30 Funeral service held in saloon
4.55 Stopped. In Lat 36 6S Long 56 6W committed to the deep the body of J. Ainsley PT. RMLI
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naval-history.net have him listed as having died on the 1st March but CWGC agrees with the log
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J. Ainsley PT. RMLI
Rest in peace
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HMS Columbella 22 Aug 1916
11.0 John Gibb Shipwright MR departed this life Lat 59 53 N Long 9 52 W
23 Aug 1916
5.0 Stopped and conducted Burial Service
5.10 Body of late John Gibb, Shipwright, MR committed to the deep Lat 59 28 N Long 11 9 W
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CWGC - Recorded on Panel 20, Plymouth Naval Memorial
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Requiescat in pace John Gibb, Shipwright, MR
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Hello there,
I am very new here (formal introductions to
follow, I am now secretly transcribing instead of writing my end paper,
so another time-consuming forum will be more than welcome in my schedule
next week ;)), and I apologize in advance if I happened to use the
wrong topic for this. I am unsure if I found a recorded death.
On the Foxglove on august 10th 1920 a Rating was sent to the hospital. Then, on august 11th a funeral party was landed.
The
logkeeper is unsually very concise, he doesn't enter the funeral party
returning for example (I should hope they did), and the next day it's
all back to cleaning and scraping and the suchlike.
If it's the poor rating that died they would have at least mentioned a name, right? Or is that not as common as I presume?
Edit: another funeral party landed on the 16th. More common then I thought, probably just people from other ships then?
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Hello Karjin -
This is you Captain speaking - ;D
In answer to your questions:
1)
I doubt the first funeral party was for the rating sent to the
hospital. It seems, based on what we have seen in the logs, that
if a member of the ship's crew died, all the info would be entered in
the log. So...no such info on the eleventh - name, rank, etc.,
then I think it is safe to assume that the funeral party was not for a
fellow crew member.
2) I didn't have those pages, but I
assume she is in Hong Kong - where she is a few days later. Hong
Kong was a major naval port and there were always ships coming and
going. Often, especially if the deceased was known to the crew, a
ship would send a funeral party to attend another ship's crew
member. Sometimes the log will even say it was a rifle party (for a
salute). Also, along with everything else, the rites associated
with funerals were practiced (exercised) and this will be in the logs.
Welcome aboard - the Foxglove seems to be a happy, healthy ship!
ta -
Kathy
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/salutes
Thank you captain. :)
I assumed as much, since I've read quite elaborate descriptions in this thread before. She is indeed in Hong Kong in august.
Probably
just me and my darned empathy being more worried about a rating lying
in a hospital somewhere in Asia a century ago than about the imminent
deadline-missing of my end paper.
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YOU ARE NOT ALONE - ;D
it is so very easy to get hooked on these ships and crews.
Good Luck on your paper -
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Welcome Karijn. I've only been on OW for about a month..I hope you find OW to be as wonderful a crewe as I have.
Ava - currently on the Fantome
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Karijn:
Welcome to OW! We are easy to get addicted to!
;D Make sure to find time to stop by the forum from time to
time to let us know what you are up to and see what we've been doing!
Also stop by the INTRODUCE YOURSELF page and leave a note. You can also find out a bit about us!
Enjoy!!
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Karijn, there is a very good source of British Navy dead at
http://www.naval-history.net/ and the site author is our head historian
Gordon Smith. The list dead for Britain there is compiled by Don
Kindell, also a member of OW. They love this thread because we are
giving them raw material information that lets them correct errors in
their lists. The info is indexed by last name, and by date and
ship. The 1920 known dead are at
http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1920.htm CWGC also as good data
IF you know names and/or service number.
http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead.aspx Also, a number of us
become very attached to our crew and need to honor their memory for
ourselves.
Tuesday, 10 August 1920
Tamar, Hong Kong
SUTTERS, Henry James, Sick Berth Steward, 351434 (Po), illness in Hong Kong
Son of W. H. and F. Sutters; husband of Annie Sutters, of Honeylands Childrens Hospital, Whipton, Exeter.
Born at Eardisland, Herefordshire.
Sunday, 15 August 1920
Moorhen, river gunboat
SIMS, Henry T, Stoker 1c, K 22447 (Ch), illness in Hong Kong
HMS
Tamar (http://www.oldweather.org/vessels/4f5a7a55a2fc8e09230000f8 ) is
the hulk that is functioning as the Hong Kong Harbour base. And
all the ships that report to her make up a community.
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HMS Mutine, 7th September, 1921, RN Dockyard, Bermuda,
alongside Sheer-leg jetty, N.Basin,
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-81165/0064_1.jpg
'Stoker William Johnson, Off. No. 55123848, accidentally
drowned while bathing alongside
the ship.Rigged diving gear.
1810 Diver went down to search for body till dark.
1850 Sweeping for body continued until 2300'
The search for the body continued for several days, until Sept' 13th when the
body was located and recovered; the funeral is recorded on the 14th.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-81165/0067_1.jpg
From Naval-history-net,
'Wednesday, 7 September 1921
Mutine, ex-sloop, survey ship
JOHNSON, William, Stoker 1c, SS 123848, drowned'
May he rest in peace.
In Ireland Island cemetery.
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HMS Edinburgh 3rd July 1917, River Plate during coaling
6.55pm
G. Poppy, Seaman RNR fell between ships side and collier. Ropes &
lights were lowered - whaler lowered & manned & proceeded under
the counter between the ships.
7.30 Boat returned having seen no sign of the body
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40587/ADM%2053-40587-004_1.jpg
Next day
11. Burial service with firing party for the late G. Poppy Seaman RNR
RIP G Poppy
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From Naval-History.net and CWGC
Edinburgh Castle, armed merchant cruise
POPPY, George, Seaman, RNR, A 5911, drowned
Son of William and Selina Poppy, of 7, Albany Rd., Lowestoft.
Rest in Peace, George Poppy
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From the log of HMS Iphegenia:
3.0pm Rec'd news by W/T that Trawler "John High" was blown up by mine 5am off Sozonova. One survivor.
From Naval History.net:
John High, hired trawler, minesweeper, mined and sunk in Barents Sea
CAMPBELL, John M, Deck Hand, RNR, DA 8271
COOK, George S, Deck Hand, RNR, SD 3722
CUSHING, Godfrey L, Deck Hand, RNR, DA 6203
EWING, William G, Trimmer, RNR, TS 5019
GRAHAM, James R, Petty Officer (RFR A 1835), 140041 (Ch)
HIGH, John, Ty/Skipper, RNR
MCKENZIE, William, Trimmer, RNR, TS 5018
NEWSON, Robert, Engineman, RNR, ES 4397
PARKS, William, Deck Hand, RNR, DA 1696
PERRY, Thomas H, Deck Hand, RNR, SD 2793
SANDERSON, George, Engineman, RNR, TS 2733
SMITH, John, Deck Hand, RNR, SD 1963
THOMAS, Daniel, Signalman, RNVR, Wales Z 2028
WOOD, Reuben W, Deck Hand, RNR, DA 10410
May all rest in peace.
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HMS Glory, 12th June 1917 - Departed this life Fireman Sheik Ismail Alli, late SS Perla.
His body was committed to the deep later that day
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43034/ADM%2053-43034-009_0.jpg
The
previous day they had taken on board survivors from Perla and Marie
Elsie. Naval history shows they had been sunk by submarine near Lapland.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43034/ADM%2053-43034-008_1.jpg
Rest in peace.
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HMS Edinburgh Castle 4th Jan 1918
3.30 Death of Cornelius Brown - stoker R.N. (late of H.M.S. "Amethyst") Off. No. 276425 Portsmouth Div. aged 47 1/2 years
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40593/ADM%2053-40593-005_0.jpg
5th Jan 1918
11.0
Burial service of Stoker C.Brown R.N. (Father Jones R.C. Chaplain
officiating) with full naval honours - engines stopped during the
committal of the body to the deep.
Lat. 6.25N Long. 16.10W.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40593/ADM%2053-40593-005_1.jpg
Both naval-history,net and CWGC spell his surname BROWNE and the CWGC do not list his age
RIP Cornelius Brown(e)
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H.M.S. Glasgow: 20th July 1916
Man overboard.
Washed overboard + drowned in S 32? 19' W 50? 13' John George Smith Shipwright 2nd class official Number M 16604.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42844/ADM%2053-42844-013_0.jpg
Rest in Peace John Smith
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The next day:
Died of injuries received on 20th July Robert Shenis Logan Shipwright 2nd calss O.N. M16084
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42844/ADM%2053-42844-013_1.jpg
He was buried at sea the next day
I.40. Stopped. Buried at sea in Lat S 26?39'.5 Long W 44? 17' Robert Shenis Logan Ship II.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42844/ADM%2053-42844-014_0.jpg
Rest in Peace Robert Logan
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HMS Glory 23rd June 1917 - Departed this life Frederick Jowett Stoker 1st class O.N.Po. C.S. K25023
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43034/ADM%2053-43034-014_1.jpg
Rest in peace
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H.M.S. Glasgow August 14th 1916
Horace Mitchell Stoker 1st. class O.N. K26493 D.D. I.15 PM.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42845/ADM%2053-42845-010_0.jpg
Horace Mitchell was buried at sea the next day.
VIII.30 Weighed VIII.35 Proceeded S30W 200 revs.
IX.12. a/c South
IX. 20. Slow. As reqt. for funeral.
IX.30
Divisions. IX.48 Stopped. Buried at sea Lat. S 18? 10' Long W 38?
43',5 mortal remains of late Horace Mitchell Sto. I.
X.9 Proceeded North to anchorage.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42845/ADM%2053-42845-010_1.jpg
Naval History: MITCHELL, Horace, Stoker 1c, K 26493 (Po), illness
Rest in Peace Horace Mitchell.
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HMS Edinburgh Castle 15th Feb 1918
10. Court of Enquiry opened - the loss of stoker W.West of Dunclutha on returning from leave (M.M.R. O.N. 344580)
naval-history.net have him as having drowned on the 8th Feb and that the Dunclutha was a Q-Ship
RIP William West
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This is my first such report and I do feel quite sad about it.
:'( I didn't take the log for 6th January 1917 so I can't tell how this
chap passed.
On 7th January 1917 the body of Bertram Hall was
committed to the deep. The committal was very brief - a few hours before
hand the Columbella had engaged a submarine so they were zig-zagging
frequently but even so engines were stopped.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-38278/ADM%2053-38278-130_1.jpg
Rest in peace Bertram Hall
(Found this entry: HALL, Bertram A, Greaser, MMR, 680245, Columbella, 6 January 1917, illness)
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It doesn't give the cause, but here is the entry: http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-38278/ADM%2053-38278-130_0.jpg
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Hi randi - thanks for that. I did find a record of his death -
it too said 'illness'. so I guess we'll never know. :-\
Are you working on the Columbella then?
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No - I just edited the last digit of the .jpeg address to view the page - very handy trick - and very simple.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-38278/ADM%2053-38278-130_0.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-38278/ADM%2053-38278-130_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-38278/ADM%2053-38278-131_0.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-38278/ADM%2053-38278-131_1.jpg
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Aha Moriarty! What a nit I am. How clever you are! Thanks for the tip.
Ava
Time to darken ship for another day - sigh... :(
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HMS Glory 23rd June 1917 - Departed this life Frederick Jowett Stoker 1st class O.N.Po. C.S. K25023
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43034/ADM%2053-43034-014_1.jpg
Rest in peace
I
thought it was odd that there was no mention of a funeral at the time
but have just reached the log for 21st July where they recovered his
body and the funeral the following day
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43035/ADM%2053-43035-013_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43035/ADM%2053-43035-014_0.jpg
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Another sad day on H.M.S. Glasgow:
III.45 Lost overboard + drowned Bertie A.White Boy 1st class O.N. J40428.
Stopped + lowered boat.
9.40 Divisions. Read burial service.
S 34 0 W 11 47
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42847/ADM%2053-42847-009_0.jpg
You will always be remembered Bertie White.
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John George Smith, Shipwright 2nd Class, Number M 16604, Drowned, July 20 1916, HMS Glasgow, 32 19 S, 50 13 W.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42844/ADM%2053-42844-013_0.jpg
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Robert Shemis Hogan Shipwright 2nd class O N M 16084 died of injuries recieved July 21 1916 HMS Glasgow.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42844/ADM%2053-42844-013_1.jpg
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HMS Glory 25th October 1917 - Departed this life Frank Henry Harrell stoker 1st. cl. ON 103700 (RFR Po. B 4584)
The burial and sale of his effects were held later that day
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43038/ADM%2053-43038-015_1.jpg
Rest in peace Frank Harrell
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August 14 1916
Horace Mitchel Stoker 1st class ON K 26493 died, HMS Glasgow
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42845/ADM%2053-42845-010_0.jpg
Buried at sea the next day.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42845/ADM%2053-42845-010_1.jpg
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A party from H.M.S. Glasgow attended the funeral of late P.O.
Landed party to attend funeral of late P.O. Colours half masted + rehoisted at III.50 pm.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42848/ADM%2053-42848-019_0.jpg
I wondered why his name was not given and I checked at Naval-History and found:
Hyacinth, old light cruiser
BROWNE, Francis H, Petty Officer 1c, 131350, illness, buried at Simonstown
Rest in Peace Francis Browne
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Any idea what this signifies at 4:10 PM?
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40587/ADM%2053-40587-011_0.jpg
G.
Poppy fell overboard and presumably drowned on July 3 1917 while the EC
was coaling at Rio de la Plata. Burial service was performed the
following day and a court of enquiry was held on July 6.
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Hi Gastra,
I recognized this name from a few days back:
? Message by LupusUK on June 06, 2012, 08:08:06 PM ?
If you pop 'Poppy' in the search box (top right of this screen) it will bring the message up for you.
Ava
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HMS Glory 25th October 1917 - Departed this life Frank Henry Harrell stoker 1st. cl. ON 103700 (RFR Po. B 4584)
The burial and sale of his effects were held later that day
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-43038/ADM%2053-43038-015_1.jpg
Rest in peace Frank Harrell
Hi Gastra,
This
was the other note that I recall - another seaman whose kit was sold - I
think the monies are returned to the family along with, presumably, the
personal effects.
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But it looks like it says "salt of the kit", Ava. Is that another way of saying "sale of the kit"?
Craig
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I read it as salt too ??? ::) - maybe it was just a writo ;)
There
is a thread that mentions this subject:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=321.msg2514#msg2514
including the following:
:) "Sale of effects - started at least in the 18th century, and
finished, I don't know when - during or after World War 2? When someone
died or was killed, their personal effects - clothes etc. were auctioned
off and the proceeds sent to their next of kin. I believe that if the
man was popular, his mates or oppo's (opposite number) would sometime
pay ridiculous prices for ordinary items just to make sure, say his
widow, received a good sum." Quote from I question I had asked
navalhistory
Whilst
it may seem impersonal, it would have been much easier to ensure the
money got back to the relatives rather than their effects. A lot
more opportunity for things to go missing in transit. As Gordon
has said, there is plenty of evidence that depending on their
circumstances, prices became inflated to help reduce immediate
hardship. There was also the thought that one day it might be
their belongings being auctioned to help their own dependants.
Regards
Haywain
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But it looks like it says "salt of the kit", Ava. Is that another way of saying "sale of the kit"?
Craig
You're right Craig! - Just goes to show how you read what you expect to see..it really must be a slip of the pen surely?
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But it looks like it says "salt of the kit", Ava. Is that another way of saying "sale of the kit"?
Craig
You're right Craig! - Just goes to show how you read what you expect to see..it really must be a slip of the pen surely?
Sort of ... (I do like the term "writo").
(Not that jil and Randi need a supporter, but ...)
If you look at the word "kit" on the same line, the "t" is different; at 8.am there is a Greek style "E" in "ReceivEd", and at 5.30pm "dEfEnce".
Inconsistent and very messy.
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You could be right, Bunts. This might be called a "fonto" :D
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Sergeant Cockren RMLI died on HMS Dartmouth on 12 Aug 1914 at 7am.
James Healy/Healey died at 9am on the same day.
They were both buried at sea at 12.40 the same day after a funeral service held on board. The noon position was given as
13 13 N, 48 22 E
RIP
I
checked the CWGC site and couldn't find either but they did die after
the war against Germany was declared although before the war against
Austria was declared.
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Not a death recorded but related:
X.43 Sighted ships life boat. Detached destroyers to rescue occupants ( 11 survivors ss. Basuto)
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42863/ADM%2053-42863-008_0.jpg
I
transcribed as written. But the name of that ship was S.S. Basuta.
According to the wreck site she was torpedoed without warning 47 miles
SSW from the Lizard by a submarine. One man lost his life.
After some further research I fond at the uboat net that U 53 under the command of Hans Rose sunk her.
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Another sad day on H.M.S. Glasgow:
III.45 Lost overboard + drowned Bertie A.White Boy 1st class O.N. J40428.
Stopped + lowered boat.
9.40 Divisions. Read burial service.
S 34 0 E 11 47
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42847/ADM%2053-42847-009_0.jpg
You will always be remembered Bertie White.
I just came upon young Bertie's untimely end. So sad - so young.... :'( RIP
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2 mar 1917
HMS Gloucestershire
Funeral party left ship.
No other mention of why.
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Fredk. J Burbidge (ord sea O.N.SS 5481) drowned May 30 1916 near Great Salvage Is. 30 9 N /15 52 W
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-41098/ADM%2053-41098-017_0.jpg (written "Burbage" on this page)
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Rest in peace Fredk. J Burbidge
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HMS Moorhen 20th April 1923 - Pte Arth. L. Yorke fell overboard.
Life boats crew away & search light on. No trace of him to be found
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-80951/013_0.jpg
Court of Inquiry into the drowning - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-80951/015_0.jpg
Rest in peace Arthur Yorke
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When HMS Dartmouth was in dock at Simonstown she landed a Funeral
Party to attend the funeral of G. Peck Able Seaman on 8th September
1920. His official number was not given and it is not clear from
the entry whether or not he had been a member of her crew.
RIP Mr Peck
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From Naval-History.net http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1920.htm
Monday, 6 September 1920
Dartmouth, 2nd class cruiser
PEEK, Gilbert G, Able Seaman, 237697, illness
Rest in peace, Gilbert Peek.
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Thanks Janet, the death wasn't recorded but the day before the
funeral the funeral party was drilled twice. Dartmouth has been
sending to and receiving ratings from hospitl ever since she berthed in
Simonstown.
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Since it was death by illness, he may have not been on board, but
ashore in hospital. The log keeper would not know the time of
death.
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I corrected my entry above, because we found a typo in Gordon's
site. (I've sent an email.) Your log lists him as G. Peek,
CWGC lists him as:
PEEK, GILBERT GEORGE
Service No: 237697
Date of Death: 06/09/1920
Age: 29
Regiment/Service: Royal Navy H.M.S. "Dartmouth."
Additional Information:
Son of Joseph and Jane Peek, of 2, Kimberley Villas, St. Lukes, Cork.
So, rest in peace, Gilbert George Peek.
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That's great Janet. I found the log entry just before I had to
leave for a Weekend Archaeology school. I got the entry off to
the Forum but didn't have time to do any delving. I'm doing some
boring entries of time in dry dock before supper and we still have
episodes of people going to and coming from hospital. Off to the
Museum Resource Centre for another happy day amid the artefacts in the
morning.
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What a wonderful weekend! Enjoy! :)
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20th May 1916 - John Galbraith, Deck hand HMS Holyrood died onboard HMS Albemarle. From the CWGC he was 19 years old.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33207/ADM53-33207-013_0.jpg
The next day he was buried at sea, no lat/long recorded but near the Kola Inlet, Russia.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33207/ADM53-33207-013_1.jpg
Rest in peace, John Galbraith.
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Rest in Peace.
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Be at peace John Galbraith
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HMS Andes 2nd March 1916, records the burial at sea of Thomas
Daniel Casey RN, Gunner, of HMS Alcantara. They had retrieved his
body on 29th February on the day of the sinking, just an hour after
Alcantara sank, and had then called into Kirkwall on March 1st, so I'm
not sure why they buried him at sea.
Lat 58 26 N, Long 9 12 W
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33654/ADM53-33654-194_0.jpg
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Rest in Peace, Thomas Daniel Casey.
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HMS Andes, 14th June 1916:
4.58pm: Committed the Body of W.
Pargent to the Deep. Lat 67 3N Long 19 37W. He had died the day
before from heart failure, at the age of 42, and was the chief baker.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33654/ADM53-33654-253_0.jpg
Rest in peace, Mr Pargent.
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Walter Pargent, Son of the late Albert and Amelia Pargent, of Southampton.
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2866922/PARGENT,%20WALTER
Rest in Peace.
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HMS Andes, 25th August 1916:
9.35am: Stopped & Held Funeral Service
9.41am: Committed the Body of Percy Hall, 30 years, Butcher, to the Deep. Lat 66 41N Long 18 51W
He had died two days before, after an epileptic fit. Rest in peace, Percy Hall.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33654/ADM53-33654-294_1.jpg
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2866116/HALL,%20PERCY
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HMS Dauntless 30th September 1919 at Libau
4.30pm: Stoker Petty Officer Riggs fell overboard from Liberty Boat & was drowned.
[From
Naval History Casualties - RIGGS, Sidney G, Leading Stoker, K 11704
(Dev). From Commonwealth War Graves - Aged 26, Son of Harriet Riggs, of
7, St. Jude's Place, Jubilee St., Plymouth]
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-39541/0142_0.jpg
Court of enquiry - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-39541/0142_1.jpg
Committed to the deep from HMS Dragon 13th Oct - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-40157/0042_1.jpg
Sale of effects - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-39541/0147_1.jpg
Rest in Peace, Sidney Riggs
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H.M.S. Astraea, 1 October 1915, at Duala, Cameroon.
Able seaman Frank Nelms O.N. C.S.C. 237.350 drowned off government wharf at 7.15pm
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34353/ADM53-34353-124_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34353/ADM53-34353-124_1.jpg)
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H.M.S. Astraea, 1 October 1915, at Duala, Cameroon.
Able seaman Frank Nelms O.N. C.S.C. 237.350 drowned off government wharf at 7.15pm
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34353/ADM53-34353-124_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34353/ADM53-34353-124_1.jpg)
I'll contact Gordon and Don Kindell on this one - they have him listed as death from illness.
Friday, 1 October 1915
Astraea, old light cruiser
NELMS, Frank, Able Seaman, 237350, illness
From CWGC:
NELMS, F
Rank: Able Seaman
Service No: 237350
Date of Death: 01/10/1915
Regiment/Service: Royal Navy
H.M.S. "Astraea."
Grave Reference 18.
Cemetery DOUALA CEMETERY
Additional Information:
Son of Mrs. C. Nelms, of 1, Orchard St., Belgrave Gate, Leicester.
Rest in peace, Frank Nelms.
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Don't bother, I already contacted them before I posted here.
I had noticed the same thing as you did. :)
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HMS Dragon 17th October 1919 - hit by shells from shore battery near Riga.
Petty Officer John Stephen Stroud 204391;
Able
Seaman Charles W. Broad J.20915 [Aged 23, Son of John James and Alice
Rosa Broad, of 222, Lordship Rd., Stoke Newington, London];
Able
Seaman Lewis T.E. Gillingwater J.34181 [Aged 20, Son of Lewis and Fanny
A. Gillingwater, of Salisbury Cottage, Hoppers Rd., Winchmore Hill,
London];
Able Seaman Percy James Almond J.22758 [Aged 23, Son of
Walter Lake Almond and E. M. Almond, of 5, Cane Hill Cottages, Coulsdon,
Surrey] ;
Able Seaman George W. Lowe J.38578 [Aged 20, Son of
Thomas and Rose Lowe, of 16, Central Terrace, Lordsmill St.,
Chesterfield, Derbyshire];
Ordinary Seaman James W. Sleath SS 8121 [Aged 19, Son of James and Adelaide Sleath, of 128, Broke Rd., Dalston, London];
Boy
1st class William R.H. Trett J.86811 [Aged 17, Son of Mrs. Caroline
Trett, of No. 9, Row 119, Middlegate St., Great Yarmouth];
Boy 1st class Alfred J. Payne J.90873 [Aged 17, Son of Mrs. Kate Payne, of 171, Chandos Rd., Stratford, London].
Ordinary Seaman William Larn J.84897.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-40157/0044_1.jpg
Their bodies were committed to the deep the next day - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-40157/0045_0.jpg
A
descendent of Petty Officer John Stroud has set up a wonderful web site
(http://www.hmsdragon1919.co.uk/24568.html) to commemorate this
incident which includes photographs of the men who lost their lives.
Rest in Peace
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For all the men killed that day, rest in peace.
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From the log of HMS Southampton 11 Nov 1920
9.40am: Landed band and mourners for funeral of late William Clay of HMS Cambrian
10.07am: Funeral cortege passed ship
William Clay, service no 344151, chief plumber HMS Cambrian, died on 10th November from illness.
Southampton was berthed in Port of Spain, Trinidad.
No mention of any act of General Remembrance despite the date.
RIP William Clay
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That happened a lot, sending mourners to another ship's funeral but
no other act of mourning. What is very unusual is giving the man's
name - kind of like going to a wake or funeral to support a friend
through their loss, even though you don't know the deceased.
William Clay must have been very much liked.
Rest in peace.
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You missed the date Janet - 11th Nov post war. Obviously a
general remembrance of the war dead had not become widespread in 1920.
If it had I would have expected that the band would be involved in that,
especially as the funeral party did not return until midday.
I
agree that naming the deceased was unusual, but rather nice. Sad
that he survived the war and then died so far from home.
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I
know a lot of us have been struck by the apparently underwhelming
response to the Armistice which we have seen in the logs. I have
been reading a novel recently set during the First World War, and the
chief protagonists in this book were by no means dancing in the street
on 11 November 1918 either. This has brought home to me that we
are looking at all this with the benefit of hindsight. We know
it was the end of the war, but at the time it was only an armistice - a
cease-fire, not a surrender. While many people did celebrate the
event as the end of the war, it seems that there were real fears at the
time that it could all collapse and the fighting could restart - it took
time before people could see that the machinery of war was being
dismantled and the troops were really coming home.
For sure this
is a work of fiction and not a historical source, but it rang true to
me. The book is "My Dear, I Wanted To Tell You" by Louisa Young -
all the action is on the Western Front as usual. I found it a very
good read.
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This was 1920, Peace was declared in 1919 so 1920 was the start of
'Armistice Day' and I have seen it noted on other ships. Just
seemed an interesting juxtaposition when I noticed the date.
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HMS DEVONSHIRE 13 December 1916
6:20pm: Shipwright George Henry Wright (M 15458) reported missing, Washed overboard from forecastle
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-39749/ADM%2053-39749-009_1.jpg
Funeral Service held next day.
Requiescat in Pace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Requiescat_in_pace), Seaman Wright
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From CWGC (http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2867671/WRIGHT,%20GEORGE%20HENRY):
Son of S. W. Wright, of Devonport; husband of Agatha Blanche Wright, of Brendon, Polruan, Cornwall.
Rest in Peace, George Wright.
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HMS Devonshire loses another sailor 24 April 1917
Galley capsized whilst under sail - Leading Seaman W. Gay O.N. D208877 missing ?
Boats employed searching
[GAY, Arthur W, Leading Seaman, 208877 (Dev), Devonshire, 24 April 1917, drowned in Halifax]
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-39753/ADM
53-39753-015_0.jpg (http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-39753/ADM
53-39753-015_0.jpg))
Requiescat in Pace, Arthur W. Gay
corrected link
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Rest in Peace, Arthur Gay
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HMS Renown at Trinidad 22nd Sept 1919
C.C. Taylor Boy Telegraphist died Colonial Hospital Trinidad.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57638/ADM%2053-57638-016_0.jpg
From
Naval History Casualty lists Cecil Taylor J86916 cause of death
illness. From Commonwealth War Graves age 18, son of Mrs F.J. Shute of
East End Cottage, Dinton, Salisbury; Buried in Port of Spain
(Lapeyrouse) Cemetery, Trinidad.
Also the next day while the funeral party were on shore they half-masted the colours. I've not seen that done before.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57638/ADM%2053-57638-016_1.jpg
Rest in peace Cecil Taylor.
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Rest in peace, Cecil Taylor.
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Manica reports a Court of Inquiry into the death of "Toy"
Trimmer. No burial is mentioned. Since Manica is in harbour
it may be that he is not one of her crew members. No casualty with
the surname of Trimmer is listed in the Naval History website for 1916.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48170/ADM%2053-48170-016_1.jp
RIP Mr Trimmer.
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"Trimmer" is a rate that is a variation on "stoker"- they keep
moving the coal in the bunkers around to keep it spread out evenly, to
keep the ship from leaning, and moving from the back of the bunkers to
the front where it gets fed into the boilers. I'm guessing "Toy"
is the name given a native hand who was never formally enlisted.
There are no deaths from Manica listed in Naval-History.net at all in September 1916, so he was not crew.
Rest in peace, Toy Trimmer.
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Yes, I did wonder but I thought some mention of what happened to the
poor man afterwards might have been made in the log, whether burial at
sea or body sent on shore. At least they wanted to find out why he
had died, which shows some acknowledgement of his humanity.
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I've noticed, inquiries are held on a different ship than the one on
which the accident happened whenever possible. So Manica's log
keeper might not have any awareness of what happened. Are there
any other ships nearby?
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From time to time, if they arrive or leave they may be noted in the
log but she never mentions ships at anchor. Manica wasn't a
regular Navy ship and seemed to be crewed by RNR. The log entries
aren't quite typical of other ships I have edited, Vengeance was in
harbour but left the day before, she often carries the flag and so is
usually mentioned. I wondered about him coming from another ship
too. But couldn't think of any way to check once the surname search
didn't turn up anything. Ah well, may he rest in peace.
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17 October 1916, Manica committed the body of Seedie Boy Mzee Bin
Simbe to the deep at lat 7..50S, long 39..40E. The cause of death
was given as typho-malaria. May he rest in peace.
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I've informed Gordon and Don Kindell of this unlisted death.
Rest in Peace, Mzee Bin Simbe.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48171/ADM
53-48171-011_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48171/ADM
53-48171-011_1.jpg)
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Thank you, I needed to go out because I had an appointment and
completely forgot to check the naval history website. Although
they were at anchor they sailed out to perform the sea burial rather
than find a suitable cemetery on land.
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I watch for any native hands where names are given - they are not in
the Royal Navy data banks and therefore not always in Don's sources for
those casualty lists.
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I didn't fully realise that. It is a sobering thought that
this may be the first time that some of these people who worked with the
Navy have been commemorated since their actual burial.
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HMS Renown 10th November 1919
Held funeral service for Leading Seaman Richard G. Franklin J.10734 and AB Reginald Light no. 236934. Drowned whilst on duty.
One
man overboard and one lost when the boat launched to attempt a rescue
capsized. From page 7 of the magazine
(http://archive.org/details/arentweluckymaga00edinrich) produced by the
crew.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-57640/ADM%2053-57640-010_0.jpg
Rest in peace Richard Franklin and Reginald Light
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From CWGC:
Richard George Franklin, Leading Seaman
J/10734, H.M.S. "Renown.", Royal Navy who died on 10 November 1919 Age 26
Husband of G. I. Franklin, of 10, Hanman Rd., Gloucester.
Remembered with Honour
Reginald Light, Able Seaman
236934, H.M.S. "Renown.", Royal Navy who died on 10 November 1919
Remembered with Honour
Rest in peace, Richard George Franklin and Reginald Light
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HMS Manica, 23 October 1916, Seedie Boy Jumbo bin Simbe died of
malaria. His body was committed to the deep N78E off lat -7.7, long
39.3.
RIP Jumbo bin Simbe
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48171/ADM
53-48171-014_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48171/ADM
53-48171-014_1.jpg)
I've also informed Gordon and Don of this death.
Rest in Peace, Jumbo bin Simbe
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H.M.S. Astraea at Durban
24 August 1917 - 7.00pm: Leading seaman Lawson was found dead in gunners store room
25 August 1917 - 11.45am: Carried body of late leading seaman Lawson to military mortuary
26 August 1917 - 1.00pm: Hands attending funeral of the late leading seaman Lawson
The pages of 24 and 25 August have been scanned twice because of an appended note stating:
RETURN OF DEATHS ON BOARD OF H.M.SHIP "ASTRAEA".
Date of death: 24th August 1917
Name and Surname of Deceased: Peter Riach Lawson
Sex: Male
Age: 25 on 16.9.17
Rating: Leading Seaman
Nationality: British
Last Place of abode: H.M.S. "Astraea"
Residence: 10 Wardlaw Place, Gorgie Road, Edinburgh
Cause of Death: Not yet definitely determined
Peter
Lawson is listed at the Commonwealth War Graves Commission
(http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/125942/LAWSON, P R).
May he rest in peace.
Log-book pages:
24
(1) -
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(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34354/ADM53-34354-281_0.jpg)
(shows the appended note)
25 (1) -
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34354/ADM53-34354-281_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34354/ADM53-34354-281_1.jpg)
24
(2) -
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34354/ADM53-34354-282_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34354/ADM53-34354-282_0.jpg)
25
(2) -
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34354/ADM53-34354-282_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34354/ADM53-34354-282_1.jpg)
26
- http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34354/ADM53-34354-283_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34354/ADM53-34354-283_0.jpg)
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Rest in Peace, Peter Riach Lawson.
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HMS Renown 9th Sept 1920 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-57642/ADM53-57642-113_0.jpg
9.25am: Died onboard from effects of heatstroke, Fred Barnes, Stoker 1st class, O.N. K7861.
5.45pm:
Committed to the deep the mortal remains of the late Fred Barnes,
Stoker 1st class. In Latitude 16 40' N Longitude 99 55' W.
From
Commonwealth War Graves Fred Barnes was 29 and the son of Charles and
Emily Jane Barnes, of "Twynham," Jumpers Rd., Christchurch, Hants.
Rest in peace Fred Barnes.
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Rest in Peace, Fred Barnes.
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H.M.S. Astraea 5 October 1918
1.30pm: Funeral party landed for funeral of L. McBeth, stoker
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34368/ADM53-34368-005_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34368/ADM53-34368-005_1.jpg)
I couldn't find a reference to him at the Commonwealth War Graves Commission.
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Your log keeper left the 'a' out of Macbeth.
from Naval-history.net (http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1918-10Oct.htm) and CWGC
Saturday, 5 October 1918
Astraea, old light cruiser
MACBETH, Leonard A, Stoker 1c, K 46201, illness
MACBETH, LEONARD ARTHUR
Rank: Stoker 1st Class Service No: K/46201
Date of Death: 05/10/1918
Age: 19
Regiment/Service: Royal Navy
H.M.S. "Astraea."
Grave Reference Naval Allotment Row A. Grave 36.
Cemetery SIMON'S TOWN (DIDO VALLEY) CEMETERY
Additional Information:
Son of Ellen Elizabeth Macbeth, of 25, Haddo St., Greenwich, London, and the late Alexander John Macbeth.
Rest in Peace, Leonard MacBeth
Simonstown Cemetery has a beautiful view.
(http://www.cwgc.org/dbImage.ashx?id=3823)
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Thanks Janet. :)
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H.M.S. Astraea most probably had to endure the Spanish Flu.
7 October 1918
1.15pm:
Funeral party landed for burial of A. White
(http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/127588/WHITE, A D), ordinary
seaman
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34368/ADM53-34368-006_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34368/ADM53-34368-006_1.jpg)
9 October 1918
8.55am: Burial of T. Dollar (http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/127594/DOLLAR, T), Krooman
1.15pm:
Two funeral parties landed. Burial of T. Washington
(http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/127602/WASHINGTON, G),
Krooman, and W. Wanstall
(http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/127586/WANSTALL, A), leading
stoker
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34368/ADM53-34368-007_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34368/ADM53-34368-007_1.jpg)
10 October 1918
9.10am: Funeral party landed for Burial of H. Lauder (http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/127598/LAUDER, H), Krooman
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34368/ADM53-34368-008_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34368/ADM53-34368-008_0.jpg)
12 October 1918
9.00am:
H.M.S. "Talbot"'s funeral party landed for Burial of A. Knibbs
(http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/127561/KNIBBS, A G W), boy
3.45pm:
Funeral party landed for burial of H. Holmes
(http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/127556/HOLMES, EDMOND),
lieutenant Royal Navy
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34368/ADM53-34368-009_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34368/ADM53-34368-009_0.jpg)
13 October 1918
11.00am:
Detailed funeral party for burial of J. Lock
(http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/127564/LOCK, J H), able
bodied seaman
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34368/ADM53-34368-009_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34368/ADM53-34368-009_1.jpg)
14 October 1918
8.30am: Funeral party landed. Burial of R. Maintop (http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/127599/MAINTOP, R)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34368/ADM53-34368-010_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34368/ADM53-34368-010_0.jpg)
15 October 1918
1.15pm:
Funeral party landed, also hospital party. Burial of E. Perkins
(http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/127572/PERKINS, E W), petty
officer, and A. Keeble
(http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/127559/KEEBLE, A A), stoker
petty officer
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34368/ADM53-34368-010_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34368/ADM53-34368-010_1.jpg)
16 October 1918
1.00pm: Funeral party landed (petty officer Kingaby (http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/127560/KINGABY, H S))
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34368/ADM53-34368-011_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34368/ADM53-34368-011_0.jpg)
18 October 1918
10.00am:
Detailed funeral party for burial of P. Perrin
(http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/127573/PERRIN, P G N),
ordinary seaman
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34368/ADM53-34368-012_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34368/ADM53-34368-012_0.jpg)
The names link to their listing at the Commonwealth War Memorial Commission.
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What a terrible month for them. May they all rest in peace.
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There is a study for some epidemiologist on the severity of that flu
epidemic in naval ships. Some ships had lots of people sick, but lost
very few. Others like Astrea lost a lot. I remember that Odin had half
her crew on the sick list, but lost no one.
Could it be due to
location, (ie nice warm weather in the gulf etc meant that less people
succumbed to complications) or the quality of care on different ships,
or the degree of attenuation of the strain of flu over time, in which
case the virulence should be lower for the ships that caught it later?
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FYI for anyone reading these documents:
I searched for views on
this, and came up with several, although nothing online directly from
the RN or British National Archives:
Index on WWI at British National Archives:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/research-guides/royal-navy-operations-1914-1918.htm
From Navy Department Library - extensive links at end:
http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/influenza_main.htm
Australian Navy summary of the experience with references:
http://www.navy.gov.au/history/feature-histories/ran-and-1918-19-influenza-pandemic
US Naval Institute, Naval History Magazine article:
http://www.usni.org/magazines/navalhistory/2002-04/everybody-sick-flu
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There
is a study for some epidemiologist on the severity of that flu epidemic
in naval ships. Some ships had lots of people sick, but lost very few.
Others like Astrea lost a lot. I remember that Odin had half her crew on
the sick list, but lost no one.
Could it be due to location,
(ie nice warm weather in the gulf etc meant that less people succumbed
to complications) or the quality of care on different ships, or the
degree of attenuation of the strain of flu over time, in which case the
virulence should be lower for the ships that caught it later?
My
reading suggested that there were two distinct waves of the Spanish
Flu, the second causing many more deaths than the first. The dear
old Mantua plays an interesting part because she appears to have
introduced the Spanish Flu into West Africa, arriving at Sierra Leone
with half her crew on the sick list, but there were only a few deaths
and those from pneumonia, ie a complication rather than the flu itself,
so it's thought this was the first wave of the virus. Their idea
back then of putting the ship into quarantine meant having her coaled by
"native labour" so the virus then spread through the indigenous
community and back to the crews of other RN ships in port, including the
Africa and the Britannia - both these ships recorded many deaths.
The hypothesis has been put forward that the mutation of the virus into
the second wave, deadlier version, actually occurred in West Africa.
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H.M.S. Astraea
2 November 1918
9.00am: Funeral party landed for burial of ordinary seaman Cameron
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34369/ADM53-34369-004_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34369/ADM53-34369-004_0.jpg)
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/127536/CAMERON, A (http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/127536/CAMERON, A)
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Rest in Peace, A. Cameron
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There
is a study for some epidemiologist on the severity of that flu epidemic
in naval ships. Some ships had lots of people sick, but lost very few.
Others like Astrea lost a lot. I remember that Odin had half her crew on
the sick list, but lost no one.
Could it be due to location,
(ie nice warm weather in the gulf etc meant that less people succumbed
to complications) or the quality of care on different ships, or the
degree of attenuation of the strain of flu over time, in which case the
virulence should be lower for the ships that caught it later?
My
reading suggested that there were two distinct waves of the Spanish
Flu, the second causing many more deaths than the first. The dear
old Mantua plays an interesting part because she appears to have
introduced the Spanish Flu into West Africa, arriving at Sierra Leone
with half her crew on the sick list, but there were only a few deaths
and those from pneumonia, ie a complication rather than the flu itself,
so it's thought this was the first wave of the virus. Their idea
back then of putting the ship into quarantine meant having her coaled by
"native labour" so the virus then spread through the indigenous
community and back to the crews of other RN ships in port, including the
Africa and the Britannia - both these ships recorded many deaths.
The hypothesis has been put forward that the mutation of the virus into
the second wave, deadlier version, actually occurred in West Africa.
Interesting,
thanks Su. My current edit, Mantis was in Baghdad in that period and
only ever recorded two maximum on the sick list, and that was in January
1919, which I would have thought would have been the second wave. Of
course those may have been nothing to do with the flu and her log keeper
is a bit erratic with recording sick list so she may have had the flu
at another time, or not at all.
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H.M.S. Astraea at Victoria, Cameroon
13-01-1919
9.20am: Lost one man (S. Cheetham O.N.J. 69217) over the side
Sydney Wilfred Cheetham
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/127536/CAMERON,%20A (http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/127536/CAMERON,%20A)
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/3047194/CHEETHAM,%20SYDNEY%20WILFRED
(http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/3047194/CHEETHAM,%20SYDNEY%20WILFRED)
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D6968122
(http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D6968122)
18-01-1919
3.30pm: Landed funeral party for burial of T. Davis (Krooman)
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Maikel, your CWGC link is for a "A. Cheetham O. J/74901(CH)"; Sidney
Cheetham is at
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/3047194/CHEETHAM,%20SYDNEY%20WILFRED
Rest in Peace, Sidney Cheetham and T. Davis.
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Thanks for pointing that out Janet. :)
The unfortunate Mr. Cameron was the previous casualty. :(
I've corrected my mistake.
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HMS Attentive, 25th April 1918:
6.30am: Body of late Captain Halahan killed in action in HMS Vindictive brought on board.
9.30am: Stopped. Buried body of late Captain Halahan near South Goodwin light vessel.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34428/0157_1.jpg
Henry
Crosby Halahan, from CWGC
(http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/3047437/HALAHAN,%20HENRY%20CROSBY)
- Officer of the Legion D'honneur. Croix de Guerre Avec Palme et Etoile
(France). Order of the Crown of Italy. Order of Leopold II. (Belgium).
Son of Colonel and Mrs. Samuel Handy Halahan, of Sydenham Hill, Surrey;
husband of Brenda Cecil Halahan, of Old Pickhurst, Chiddingfold, Surrey
One of the many men killed in the raids on Zeebrugge and Ostend 23rd April 1918. May they all rest in peace.
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HMS Attentive 6th May 1918 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34428/0165_0.jpg
Discovered body of late Able Seaman Mitchell at the bottom of the dry dock.
From
Naval-history.net - MITCHELL, William, Able Seaman (RFR B 1951), 172225
(Po); from CWGC - Husband of H. Mitchell, of 10, St. George's St.,
Leek, Staffs.
Rest in peace, William Mitchell.
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Poor bloke.
RIP William Mitchell
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H.M.S. Orvieto. 2 April 1916:
Heavy explosions heard from direction of Faversham at 1.25, 1.30, 1.45, and 2.0 pm.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53879/ADM%2053-53879-004_0.jpg
A
question about this event was already made at
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=530.msg4595#msg4595 but no
answer was given on that event. Here is the cause of those explosions:
A gunpowder mill blew up and caused the deaths of 109 persons. Although they are not from our ships they must be remembered.
http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Kent/FavershamExplosion.html
And more informations and pictures at:
http://www.kenthistoryforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=5923.0
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They most definitely count. I added your information to the answer of the original post. Thank you.
Rest in Peace.
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Not RN, and not buried at sea, but I didn't want to ignore this
death. On 12th February 1915 Minerva landed a group of Gurkhas to
fight enemy forces threatening Tor, in the Red Sea. In a short
battle 60 of the enemy were killed and over 100 taken prisoner.
One soldier was killed - his name wasn't recorded in the log, though a
party was landed for his funeral.
The solider killed was Rifleman
Rai Aganraj, number 2436 of 7th Gurkha Rifles. He is remembered at the
memorial at Heliopolis(Port Tewfik).
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49449/ADM%2053-49449-124_0.jpg
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A brave man worthy of remembering.
Rest in Peace, Rai Aganraj.
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HMS Minerva, 8th August 1915:
Conducted Funeral Service of N.
Nash Boy 1st Class Killed in action (NASH, Harold V, Boy 1c, J 27290
(Po), illness ? from
http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1915-08Aug.htm). The log entry
doesn't match what's on NavalHistory.net - I'll let Gordon know.
This
was part of the Gallipoli campaign, though Minerva on this day had only
been involved in disembarking and re-embarking troops, so I'm unsure
how this poor boy might have come to be killed in action.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49455/ADM%2053-49455-005_0.jpg
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I'm thinking any number of accidents that happen because he is in
the middle of a ongoing battle and therefore rushing would count as
"killed in action" just as much as getting hit with a bullet.
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/3033938/NASH,%20HAROLD%20VICTORCWGC: NASH, HAROLD VICTOR
Rank: Boy 1st Class
Service No: J/27290
Date of Death: 07/08/1915
Age: 17
Regiment/Service: Royal Navy H.M.S. "Minerva."
Panel Reference 8. Memorial PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL
Additional Information:
Son of David Nash, D.C.M., and Emily Nash, of I, Granville Place, King's Cross Rd., London.
Rest in Peace, Harold Victor Nash.
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Another death on HMS Minerva; 4th October 1915
7.15pm:
Memphis returned from Ismailia with body of Aylmer Geoffrey Stacey,
Captain RMLI, male aged 29, nationality English, cause of death organic
heart disease syncope, probably accelerated by shock due to immersion
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49457/ADM%2053-49457-004_0.jpg
He was buried at Suez on 6th October 1915.
RIP Aylmer Geoffrey Stacey
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CWGC adds: Son of the late William John and Florence Stacey.
That is remarkably young for a heart attack - very unexpected.
Rest in Peace, Aylmer Geoffrey Stacey
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Re Harold Nash, I passed on the information to Gordon and to Don -
the latter suggested that he might have fallen to a sniper's bullet,
which certainly sounds possible.
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Another death on HMS Minerva, 10th January 1916, in the Suez Canal:
11.30am:
Signal received from Suez Canal Company?s Hospital Ismailia that
Sinahan bin Ali, Seedie belonging to this ship died at 10am in the
hospital
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49460/ADM%2053-49460-008_0.jpg
Rest in peace, Sinahan bin Ali
There is no record of a funeral, so I think he must have been buried in Ismailia, and the ship's company weren't involved.
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The first deaths on H.M.S. Orvieto:
James Shepherd, Trimmer
Service No 863690, buried at Liverpool Anfield Cemetary (from CWGC) who
died 2 December, and William John White, Fireman Service No 691504
buried at Liverpool Allerton Cemerary. He was son of John Huddleston
White and Margareth white; husband to Elisabeth Ann White og 209 Grafton
Street, Liverpool. (From CWGC) who died 3 December 1916. Those deaths
were reported to H.M.S. Orvieto 5 December 1916. They were buried
respectively 6 and 7 December 1916.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53886/ADM%2053-53886-006_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53886/ADM%2053-53886-007_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53886/ADM%2053-53886-007_1.jpg
Rest in Peace James Shepherd and William John White.
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Another death on HMS Minerva, 15th August 1916, in Singapore:
11.55pm: Ahmed Hassan, Seedie Boy, passed away. Cause of death. Primary chronic Nephritis, secondary Uraemia
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49467/ADM%2053-49467-009_1.jpg
Rest in peace, Ahmed Hassan
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A death and burial at sea onboard H.M.S. Orvieto
7.15 pm: Edward Waller (Trimmer) (M.M.R.) died of Pneumonia (ON550230). Lat. 66 1 N Long 7 36 W.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53887/ADM%2053-53887-017_0.jpg
9.45 am: Divisions.
10.0 am: Burial Service.
10.33 am: Stop.
10.35 Buried at Sea Lat 66 29, N Long 10 21 W the body of Edward Waller (Trimmer) M.M.R. ON. 850230.
10.36 am: Proceeded Course S41E.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53887/ADM%2053-53887-017_1.jpg
Edward
Ansell Waller is remembered at the Plymouth Naval Memorial. He was the
son of James C. Waller, of 4, Argyle Rd., Custom House, London. He was
born at Birkenhead. (From CWGC).
Rest In Peace Edward Ansell Waller
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HMS ARK ROYAL 22/02/1916 https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34099/0176_0.jpg
Albert Edward Curry, aged 53, Divisonal Carpenter, English Nationality died of Heart Disease
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/3050830/CURRY,%20ALBERT%20EDWARD
Requiescat in Pace Albert Edward Curry
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Hi
I am currently editing HMS Juno and have found what
appears to be a sad story. In January 1916 the log recorded the
disciplining of one G Bradshaw gunner for neglect of his duty in looking
after his stores. http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45466/ADM
53-45466-008_1.jpg
In April of the same year he was disciplined
again for having an excessive wine bill.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM 53-45469/ADM 53-45469-005_1.jpg
In
May the ship is in Bombay having a refit and there is an entry that the
body of Gunner Bradshaw was found shot dead in the Gunners stores.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45470/ADM 53-45470-014_0.jpg
There was a court of enquiry but no records of discipline or any other details. The assumption must be suicide.
Naval Casualties simply lists him as "died. CGWG lists his memorial as Kirkee 1914-1918 memorial.
RIP Gunner Bradshaw.
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More than that, it is a very rare case of the official number which
accesses his military records is not given. A difficult life.
Rest in Peace, George William Bradshaw.
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ARTHUR MORRIS, trimmer onboard H.M.S. Orvieto died of pneumonia on 12 October 1918. He was buried at sea the same day.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53908/ADM%2053-53908-009_0.jpg
He is remembered at the Plymouth Naval Memorial.
Rest In Peace Arthur Morris.
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Son of Charles and Amelia Morris, of IA, Upper East Smithfield, London.
Rest in Peace, Arthur Morris.
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Ark Royal
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34100/0206_1.jpg
3:00pm: Landed Party for funeral of Flight Sub Lieutenant Brett, killed in Seaplane accident 22/7/17
From Commonwealth War Graves Commission:
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/625989/BRETT,%20LESLIE%20HENRY
BRETT, LESLIE HENRY
Rank: Flight Sub-Lieutenant
Date of Death: 22/07/1917
Age: 24
Regiment/Service: Royal Naval Air ServiceGrave Reference III. G. 210.
Cemetery: EAST MUDROS MILITARY CEMETERY
Additional Information: Son of Arthur and Eva Brett, of Shortland St., Auckland, New Zealand.
Requiet In Pacem Leslie Henry Brett
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Rest in Peace.
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Ark Royal
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34100/0224_0.jpg
4:30pm:
Burial of Cooper's Crew Warrant Officer Boon: (died of malignant
malaria on HMHS REWA on 21st August, PM:) at Mudros cemetary. Funeral
Party from ship: military honours due to rank
From Commonwealth War Graves Commission:
BOON, W A
Rank: Cooper's Crew
Service No: M/23913
Date of Death: 21/08/1917
Regiment/Service: Royal Navy
H.M.S. "Ark Royal" Grave Reference III. C. 212.
Cemetery: EAST MUDROS MILITARY CEMETERY
May he rest in peace.
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From HMS Hermione 6th April 1914 - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44175/0098_0.jpg
Departed this life on board US Hospital Ship Solace Ordinary Seaman G E Donkin ON J12549.
From
National Archives
(http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D6864737)
I've managed to confirm his name - George Elesworth Donkin - from his
official number but he doesn't appear in CWGC, presumably because its
pre-WW1?
Rest in peace, George Donkin.
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Indeed, RIP, for his family the loss might have felt even more
poignant because the experience wasn't shared with so many of the
community. Also, his name probably wouldn't have been on the local
war memorial with those killed later in the year.
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Ark Royal - Air Service has lost some crew:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34101/0021_1.jpg
11:00am:
Short Seaplane N 1234 having failed to return from flight of Dec 2nd
Officers Flight Sub Lieutenant Gillespie and Observer Sub Lieutenant
Odle posted as missing. :'(
The site of their crash was apparently located later:
Sunday, 2 December 1917
...
SALONIKA FRONT
RNAS, Ark Royal, seaplane carrier, flying Short Admiralty type tractor biplane, crashed in Greece
GILLESPIE, Leslie H G, Ty/Flight Sub Lieutenant, drowned
ODLE, Harold, Ty/Observer Sub Lieutenant, drowned
GILLESPIE, LESLIE HERBERT GRAY
Rank: Flight Sub-Lieutenant
Date of Death: 02/12/1917
Age: 20
Regiment/Service: Royal Naval Air Service
H.M.S. "Ark Royal"
Grave Reference III. H. 222.
Cemetery EAST MUDROS MILITARY CEMETERY
Additional Information:
Son of T. Atkinson Gillespie and Emily Mary Gillespie, of " Denwood ", Chambers Lane, Willesden Green, London.
ODLE, HAROLD
Rank: Sub-Lieutenant
Trade: Observer
Date of Death: 02/12/1917
Age: 32
Regiment/Service: Royal Naval Air Service
H.M.S. "Ark Royal"
Grave Reference III. H. 222.
Cemetery EAST MUDROS MILITARY CEMETERY
Additional Information:
Son of William and Mary Elizabeth Odle.
Rest in Peace, Leslie Gillespie and Harold Odle.
Janet:
Thank you for the data. I was waiting/hoping to see if they showed up later in the logs before searching for graves.
I did find:
20 December 1917
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34101/0030_0.jpg
10:30am: Observer Sub Lieutenant Odle (Failed to
return from flight in Short Seaplane N 1234 on 2nd December) his body
recovered near Cape Murtzephlos.
21 December 1917
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34101/0030_1.jpg
1:30pm: Funeral of late Observer Sub Lieutenant
Odle in East Mudros cemetery with military honours due to rank, in
accordance with war customs.
I will make proper entries of the graves data links in the logs.
May they rest in Peace.
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HMS Hermione 14th April 1914 - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44175/0100_0.jpg
Departed
this life on board US Hospital Ship Solace Lat 27? 7?N Long 91? 27?W,
C.H. Chapell Ship?s Corporal 1st Class ON 190021. [From National
Archives Charles Henry Chapell]
And on 16th April - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44175/0100_1.jpg
Received
remains of Ship's Corp Chapell from USHS Solace. Held burial service on
board. Landed furneral party and body for burial.
It looks like
it might be malaria. There's a newspaper article
(http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=PBH19140723.2.38)
from July 1914 mentions 6 deaths and 87 cases of malaria (part way down
the list) on the way back from Tampico.
Rest in peace, Charles Chapell.
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HMS Hermione 27th April 1914 - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44175/0103_0.jpg
Departed this life on board, George Britten Private RMLI PO 15733
He was buried on shore at Tampico the next day - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-44175/0103_1.jpg
Rest in peace, George Britten
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Ark Royal in action again.
20 January 1918 - Port Mudros, Greece.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34101/0047_0.jpg
10:30pm:
B 1445 from No 2, failed to return (Flight Sub Lieutenant Johnston).
Reported shot down in flames by hostile aircraft while attacking GOEBEN
or BRESLAU
Likely:
JOHNSTON, WILLIAM
Rank: Flight Sub-Lieutenant
Date of Death: 20/01/1918
Age: 24
Regiment/Service: Royal Naval Air Service
Panel Reference 30.
Memorial CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL
Additional Information:
Son of William and Mary J Johnston, of Penralt, Booterstown Avenue, Dublin.
May he rest in Peace.
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HMS Castor 24/2/19
Died of Heart failure Frederick Deal Petty Officer (g) P/178228 English age about 41
RIP
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37292/0051_1.jpg (https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37292/0051_1.jpg)
Actually, his name was Frederick Beal.
National
Archive:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D7140413
(http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D7140413)
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I copied your note into the original post, so it can be seen if a
descendant is googling for him. He had the luxury, apparently, of
being buried near his home.
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2753163/BEAL,%20F
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:)
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HMS Ben-my-Chree, 26th April 1915 - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35178/0017_0.jpg
Seaplane
No. 928 while making test flight met with accident, with fatal results
to pilot Medlicott, Lieut. RN, and Hughes, Mechanic. All assistance was
immediately rendered and plane and pilots taken to Calshot.
From
Naval History Casulaty lists
(http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1915-04Apr.htm) their full names
were Stephen Medlicott and Henry G. Hughes (although the mechanic's
cause of death is listed as 'illness')
From CWGC
(http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/3055846/HUGHES,%20H%20G)
Henry Hughes was 26. From CWGC
(http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/3055969/MEDLICOTT,%20STEPHEN)
Stephen Medlicott was 23. They are both buried at Haslar Royal Naval
Cemetery
Rest in peace, Stephen Medlicott and Henry Hughes.
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Ark Royal 27-28 May 1918
(https://s3.amazonaws.com:443/oldweather/ADM53-34102/0065_1.jpg)
Leading Signalman Higginbottom fell from Wireless telegraphy mast on shore and sent to Greek hospital
(https://s3.amazonaws.com:443/oldweather/ADM53-34102/0066_0.jpg)
Leading
Signalman Frank Higginbottom died in Greek Hospital Age 21 Sustained
accidentally by falling from wireless mast in Syra Dockyard in the
execution of his duty. Last place of abode 118 Bridgewater Road W.alkden
Manchester
HIGGINBOTTOM, F
Rank: Leading Signalman
Service No: J/25290
Date of Death: 28/05/1918
Regiment/Service: Royal Navy H.M.S. "Ark Royal "
Grave Reference II. F. 10.
Cemetery SYRA NEW BRITISH CEMETERY
Rest In Peace Frank Higginbottom
Rest in Peace, Frank Higginbottom
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Thanks for moving that one, Janet.
I KNEW there was a'better' place for it than 'Riveting Log Entries' but my tired, addled mind couldn't remember where! ???
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I like having a memorial place for 'our' dead. They all
deserve to have their lives honored. Who puts the mention here
isn't important.
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Ark Royal - 4 September 1918
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34105/0005_0.jpg
8:30pm:
Chief Petty Officer William Henry Baster Royal Fleet Reserve. O.N.
Chetham 127235: Died in Greek hospital, Syra, of malignant endo-carditis
BASTER, W H
Rank: Chief Petty Officer
Service No: 127235
Date of Death: 04/09/1918
Age: 50
Regiment/Service: Royal Navy (RFR/CHA/1105.). H.M.S. "Ark Royal"
Grave Reference II. C. 13.
Cemetery SYRA NEW BRITISH CEMETERY
Additional Information: Husband of Eva Baster, of 10, Burton St, Lowestoft.
Requiescat in Pace: CPO Baster
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Ark Royal loses another crew member - no reasons given: 6 October 1918
(https://s3.amazonaws.com:443/oldweather/ADM53-34106/0006_0.jpg)
4:30pm: Funeral Party landed to attend burial of Corporal C. W. Moore Royal Air Force
MOORE, C W
Rank: Corporal
Service No: 215797
Date of Death: 06/10/1918
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Repair Base (Mudros)
Grave Reference 31.
Cemetery PIRAEUS NAVAL AND CONSULAR CEMETERY
Requiescat in Pace: Corporal C.W. Moore
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Ark Royal loses a crew member to illness:
(https://s3.amazonaws.com:443/oldweather/ADM53-34108/0017_0.jpg)
6:00pm:
Died at Syra: Greeece of pneumonia following influenza: William
Mathieson Morton, Temporary Engineer Lieutenant Royal Navy
MORTON, W M
Rank: Engineer Lieutenant
Date of Death: 28/12/1918
Age: 35
Regiment/Service: Royal Navy
H.M.S. "Ark Royal"
Grave Reference II. C. 8.
Cemetery SYRA NEW BRITISH CEMETERY
Additional Information: Husband of Isobel Christie Morton, of "Helenville", Strathern Rd., Broughty Ferry, Dundee.
Requiescat in Pace
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I found some things when preparing Philomel (edited) for going online - deaths I think weren't mentioned before.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM
53-55284/ADM 53-55284-004_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM
53-55284/ADM 53-55284-004_1.jpg)
3 June 1916 At Bombay
12.10am: Victor Adlam, Volunteer seaman O.N. N.Z.F25 died in hospital.
...
5.00pm: Funeral of late Victor Adlam A.B. Volunteer O.N. N.Z.F25 took place.
From CWGC:
ADLAM, VICTOR
Rank: Able Seaman
Service No: MLF/25
Date of Death: 03/06/1916
Regiment/Service: Royal Navy (New Zealand Div.). H.M.S. "Philomel."
Panel Reference
Face A. Memorial KIRKEE 1914-1918 MEMORIAL
Additional Information: Son of Clara Mary Adlam, of Templeton, Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand.
Rest in Peace, Victor Adlam
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And the log contained a "Duplicate Return of Death on board H.M.S.
Philomel" for two sailors on the 8th and 10th of February 1915.
Date
of death Name and surname of deceased
Sex Age Rank, Profession
8th
February 1915 William Stanbury
Male
20 3/ Able Seaman, New Zealand Royal Navy,
Nationality
Last place of abode
Cause of
death
English 14, Peter
Street, Plaistow, London Killed in action on
shore at Alexandretta, Asia Minor
CWGC Additional Information: Son of William and Alice Stanbury, of 14, Peter St., Canning Town, London.
Date
of death Name and surname of deceased
Sex Age Rank, Profession
10th
February 1915 John Thomas Moreton
Male 25 2/
Able Seaman, New Zealand Royal Navy,
Nationality
Last place of abode
Cause of
death
English 90,
Cornwall Rd, Brixton,SW Died on board from
wounds received in action,
at Alexandretta, Asia Minor.
CWGC Additional Information: Son of Mrs. Mary Moreton, of 22 Willow St., Christchurch, New Zealand. Born at Southwark, London.
Rest in Peace, William Stanbury and John Thomas Moreton
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HMS Ben-my-Chree 6th March 1916
Flight Commander William Reginald Crocker died in Railway Train accident at Port Said
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35188/0006_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35188/0006_1.jpg
The Naval-history.net (http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1916-03Mar.htm) record says it was an air crash. ???
From
CWGC
(http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/110415/CROCKER,%20WILLIAM%20REGINALD),
he was aged 30 and 'Fourth son of William Maunder Crocker of the
Sarawak Service and grandson of the late Captain Peter Capper, 64th
Foot.' He is buried at the Port Said War Memorial Cemetry.
On 7th March - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35188/0008_1.jpg
2.30pm: Hoisted flag half mast for Flight Commander Crocker.
Rest in peace William Crocker.
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HMS Ben-my-Chree 5th April 1916
Engineer sub-lieutenant Adam Weir died of Aneurism of the heart
Return
of death form -
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35189/0006_0.jpg and
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35189/0006_1.jpg
7.30 Engineer Sub Lieut. Adam Weir R.N.R. died of Syncope
Log Page - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35189/0007_1.jpg
On
6th April a funeral party was landed, presumably for Sub Lieut. Weir -
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35189/0008_0.jpg
From CWGC (http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/473975/WEIR,%20A) he was buried at Suez War Memorial Cemetery
Rest in peace, Adam Weir.
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Ark Royal 8 March 1920
(https://s3.amazonaws.com:443/oldweather/ADM53-34110/0043_0.jpg)
1:00am: Mr. Wm Daniel Callan Gunner Royal Navy age 45 years Died at Royal Naval Hospital Malta
March 8th 1920 in morning
CALLAN, W D
Rank: Chief Gunner
Date of Death: 08/03/1920
Regiment/Service: Royal Navy
H.M.S. "Ark Royal"
Grave Reference Prot. 71.
Cemetery MALTA (CAPUCCINI) NAVAL CEMETERY
Requiescat In Pace Mr. Callan
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Ark Royal has typhus aboard. Fumigating ship and isolating crew in Turkey.
(https://s3.amazonaws.com:443/oldweather/ADM53-34110/0079_0.jpg)
11:55am; Chief Shipwright Mattison died at 82nd General Hospital Constantinople from Typhus fever.
MATTISON, C W
Rank: Chief Shipwright
Service No: 343935
Date of Death: 19/05/1920
Regiment/Service: Royal Navy
H.M.S. "Ark Royal"
Grave Reference I. L. 5.
Cemetery HAIDAR PASHA CEMETERY
Additional Information:
Husband of M. A. Mattison, of 50, Enfield Rd., Elswick, Newcastle-on-Tyne.
Requiescat in Pace
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HMS Ben-my-Chree 25th July 1916 - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35192/0015_1.jpg
Petty Officer Martin J.A. died of Cerebral haemorrhage
The
Naval-history lists (http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1916-07Jul.htm)
give his name as James E. Martin. And CWGC
(http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/3051337/MARTIN,%20JAMES%20EDWARD)
James Edward Martin - Son of James and Ellen Martin, of Islington,
London; husband of Sarah Margaret Martin, of 125, Fairfoot Rd., Bow,
London.
He was buried at sea the next day - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35192/0016_0.jpg
This page gives: Place of death Lat 31-26N long 34-20E; Place of burial outside 50 fthm line Lat 32-23N Long 34-18E
Rest in peace James Martin.
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H.M.S. Titania 9th December 1923: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-87625/ADM%2053-87625-059_1.jpg
Leading Stoker Langard was buried at Hong Kong.
The
Naval-History list give his name as LINGARD, Edward E. from H.M.S.
Marazion. Her log-book recorded the funeral on the next day.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-80483/0176_1.jpg
Rest In Peace.
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From H.M.S. Durban mentioned in the logbook of H.M.S. Titania:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-87625/ADM%2053-87625-077_1.jpg
1545. Half-masted colours, funeral of late Sto. P.O. J.N. Ponsonby of H.M.S. "Durban".
He is not to be found on the Naval-History list.
Rest In Peace J.N. Ponsonby.
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This log is too far after WW1 - its no longer in all the records of deaths that have been digitized.
Rest in peace, J.N.Ponsonby
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HMS Swiftsure is supporting troops holding the Suez Canal in Feb
1915. On 4th Feb she was fired on from the shore and this sad entry was
in the log.
Chief Yeoman Signals Samuel John Smith ON 180,636 died from wounds received in action
The next day his body was landed ashore for interment.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-62022/ADM53-62022-169_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-62022/ADM53-62022-169_1.jpg
RIP Samuel John Smith
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The deaths in 1918 from the Spanish Flu epidemic on board HMS Mantua
have already been recorded in this thread. However, now that I am
editing this part of the ship's history I have come across a possible
error on www.naval-history.net.
The log for 27 August 1918
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-48309/0017_1.jpg records the
death at 8.45pm of Private Daniel Copland RMLI. However, the NHN
website lists him as being a Lance Sergeant. It also says he died
of illness at Freetown. In fact the ship had already set out on
her return voyage to the UK and Private Copland was buried at sea the
next day. The Commonwealth War Graves Commission website also
lists his rank as Private. I would previously have reported this
to Gordon, but am not sure in the present circumstances how best to deal
with the discrepancy (if indeed it needs any action taken).
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Thanks Su. We'll seek advice on this.
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I have also found a discrepancy with the final casualty of the
epidemic, George Morris, who died and was buried at sea on 1 Sepember
1918 https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-48310/0003_1.jpg
He
is again shown on the NHN website as having died of illness at
Freetown, when the ship had been at sea for five days by that
time. All the other details tally between the log book, NHN and
CWGC.
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Further to the deaths reported on HMS Hermione above. I've bought a postcard which shows a memorial to them.
The memorial reads:
Ship's Corporal C.H. Chapell
Ordinary Seaman G.E. Donkin
Private RMLI G. Britten
Private RMLI J. Wheeler [Who isn't mentioned in the log]
HMS Hermione
who died during the ships
period of duty at Tampico
1914
On the reverse of the card is a message from Capt. Doughty:
HMS Abercrombie
21 Sept 1915
Dear Madam,
This photograph is of the
memorial tablet put up by the members
of the British Society at Tampico in
memory of those who died while we were
on duty there. Yr. faithfully
H.M. Doughty Capt.
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Excellent. Thanks for posting, Janet. :)
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HMS Swiftsure, 3 June 1916
8.30pm: Received news of the death of PO J Handsley of this ship at RN Hospital
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-62035/ADM%2053-62035-003_1.jpg
Petty
Officer Jesse Handsley, age 39, service number 164549 died of illness
and was buried in Grave E3317, Gibraltar North Front Cemetery. He was
the son of Mr J and Mrs E Handsley.
RIP Jesse Handsley
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H.M.S. Ambrose:
Departed this life at 1230 at the RN Sick
Quarters, Wei Hai Wei, Joseph Cookson, Official No. J.62848, Able
Seaman. Place of abode 45 Aspen Grove, Lodge Lane, Liverpool. Age 19
7/12 Cause of Death. Fall from ladder in HMS Ambrose on Friday 16 July
1920 thereby sustaining multiple internal injuries. Interred at the
Cemetery, Wei Hai Wei Monday July 19 1920.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-70440/ADM%2053-70440-019_1.jpg
From CWGC:
Joseph Cookson was son of William and Annie Cookson of 45 Aspen Grove Liverpool. He was born in Birkenhead.
Rest In Peace Joseph Cookson
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August the 4th. And so it begins...
O Trinity of love and power!
Our brethren shield in danger's hour;
From rock and tempest, fire and foe,
Protect them wheresoe'er they go;
Thus evermore shall rise to Thee
Glad hymns of praise from land and sea.
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HMS HOOD 5 February 1924 (date fixed in Edit)
Walter Francis Benger
Able Seaman, J 17941, Royal Navy
Additional
Information: Walter was born in Portland, Dorset on 02 March 1897. He
died, following an illness, on 05 February 1924 while at Port Swettenham
during "World Cruise." He was 26 years old at the time of his loss.
Requiescat in pace
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Typo somewhere Dean. Was it 1923 or 1924 that Walter died.
May he rest in peace.
MY
typo! He died in 1924. I had corrected a couple 'issues' in my Edit at
the end of 1923 and I guess I still had the date in my mind. All these
dates get confusing. (And then you sign a cheque with the 19... date on
it and the banks look at you funny! :P)
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Perfect chance to advertise OW! ;D
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Perfect chance to advertise OW! ;D
I tend to advertise us OFTEN!! ;D
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Fortunately the only paper checks I write these days are to
friends - checks written for 1884 are also questionable. :)
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A marine who died and was buried in Bombay at the beginning of the war:
Private
Frederick Valentine Ward, CH/16161 RMLI died on 17 Sept 1914. He was
the son of Mrs EE Thrawer, Hazel Dell Bungalow, Creeting St Mary,
Suffolk and is commemorated on Face A of the Kirkee 1914-1918 Memorial
A funeral party from his ship, HMS Swiftsure, landed on 18 Sept.
RIP Private Ward.
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A very bad day on HMS Attack - two men fell overboard within a couple of hours.
5.05pm:
Wm P Hinchcliff O.S. fell overboard. Course & speed as requisite
for search. Man lost two cork lifebuoys lost overboard.
7.15pm: Patrick Sharpe A.B. reported probably missing. Course & speed as requisite for search.
7.40pm: Search given up. Man missing.
William
Percy Hinchcliff was 25, the son of Sam and Arabella Hinchcliff of
Calverley, Leeds. He's commemorated on the Portsmouth Naval
Memorial.
Patrick Sharpe was 36, the son of Dan and Bridget Sharpe of
Dunmore, Co Donegal, and husband of Kate Cummins of Ballybrooney, Co
Mayo. He's commemorated on the same Memorial.
I guess this means their bodies were never found.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34410/ADM53-34410-016_0.jpg
May they both rest in peace.
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HMS Orama
January 3, 1917
6.10am: Stop and committed the body of James Parker RMLI to the sea with the usual rites Lat 1 50S, Long 28 13W.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53475/ADM%2053-53475-004_1.jpg
James Parker died as the result of an accident the previous day.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-53475/ADM%2053-53475-004_0.jpg
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HMS Hood - 26 March 1924
Alfred D. Punshon - Commissioned Signal Bosun.
From: http://www.hmshood.com/crew/memorial/roh_others.htm
ALFRED D. PUNSHON
Signal Boatswain, Royal Navy
Additional
Information: Died in a Melbourne, Australia hospital on 25 March 1924
from a heart attack suffered during the "World Cruise." He was 46 years
old at the time of his loss. He is buried at the Melbourne General
Cemetery, in the Independent Section ?B?, grave 521.
R.I.P. Mr. Punshon
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From HMS Topaze at Aden 14th July 1917 - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-63309/0009_0.jpg
3.00pm: Funeral party left ship, to pay tribute to late Petty Officer Lee.
From NavalHistory.net (http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1917-07Jul.htm) ? Edward B. Lee died on 13th July of illness.
From
CWGC
(http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/428664/LEE,%20EDWARD%20BALCOMBE)
he was aged 33 and the son of Sarah Ann Lee, of 4, Festing Grove,
Southsea, and the late William Edward Lee.
Rest in Peace Edward Lee
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20 December 1913
H.M.S. Bristol
8.0 pm: Landed fire engine to attend fire in H.M. Dockyard.
A large fire broke out at Semaphore Tower. More than 1000 men from different fire stations and ships worked to control the fire.
Two men died:
Chief Yeoman of Signals Samuel Peck and Signalman Alfred Steward.
There was one survivor:
Signalman Edward Hayes.
Rest in Peace Samuel Peck and Alfred Steward.
http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/nostalgia/a-thousand-men-fought-portsmouth-dockyard-blaze-1-6034599
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I just read the article - how Samuel Peck left a wife and 4 year old
son, and how Alfred Steward had swapped to this shift at Christmas so
that he could go to his sister's wedding in late January. :'(
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That makes it harder. Rest in Peace, Samuel Peck and Alfred Steward.
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At 3.30 am on 21 March 1915 a man was reported to have fallen
overboard 1/4 - 1/2 hour previously. H.M.S. Liverpool turned back to
search for him.
At 3.55 am the Ship's Company was mustered and a Stoker was found absent. Unfortunately his name was omitted in the log.
They searched for him, but to find a man in the water during the night is nearly impossible.
From CWGC:
DICKIE, JAMES, Stoker First Class, age 22, brother of George Dickie of 19 Charles St. Shotts, Lanarkshire.
Rest In Peace James Dickie.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46887/ADM%2053-46887-012_1.jpg
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A year later another man from H.M.S. Liverpool was lost at sea:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-46901/0017_0.jpg
9.35 am: Man overboard. Turned 16 pts and lowered both life boats. Body not recovered.
Lost
overboard Lat 38 22N Long 12 55E William North Private R.M.L.I. off No.
Ply 12210. Age 41. Nationality English. Cause of death Drowning.
10.30 am: Proceeded 355 revolutions. Course S83E.
Rest In Peace William North
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From HMS Topaze at Aden 28th November 1918 - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-63323/0050_0.jpg
Lieut. Reilly RNR died in Hospital [influenza]
From
CWGC
(http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/428687/REILLY,%20TREVOR%20BURKE)
Trevor Burke Reilly, son of Capt. Thomas Burke Reilly of Dunkeld, High
Park, Ryde, I.O.W.; husband of Annie E. Reilly of 48, Preston Rd.,
Brighton
Rest in Peace, Trevor Reilly
On 15th December - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-63323/0058_1.jpg
Landed working party to erect cross on grave of Lieut. Reilly RNR
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At 10. 45 pm on 6 August 1918 an accident occurred onboard H.M.S.
Liverpool. Able Seaman A. Sharples suffered severe injuries.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-46902/0202_0.jpg
He
died onboard the next day early morning. At 6.20 pm his body was landed
and buried at the Mudros East Military Cemetery. Arthur Sharples was
son of Frank and Gertrude Lizzie, Sharples of 54A, Bristol Street,
Hulme, Manchester. (From CWGC).
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-46902/0202_1.jpg
Rest in Peace Arthur Sharples.
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The Spanish flu struck H.M.S. Liverpool on 29 November 1918 with 8
on sick list and a maximum of 126 on 5 December 1918. Its first victim
was:
12.19 am: Leslie Joseph Sellick Able Seaman ONJ49909 aged 22
3/12 died onboard of pneumonia. (He is Buried at the Batumi British
Military Cemetery. He was son of Minnie Esther Sellick, of 125 Cavendish
Drive, Leytonstone, London, and the late Joseph Sellick, buried at
Batum R.C. Cemetery.
It must have been very hard for his mother as she already lost her husband also buried in Batum.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-46902/0273_0.jpg
Rest in peace Leslie Joseph and Joseph Sellick.
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HMS Hood loses two in two days.
15 November 1924: https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-78915/0104_1.jpg
David Dalgleish J41983 - died - no cause given
16 November 1924 : https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-78915/0105_0.jpg
David MacKey L 6031 died by drowning
Rest in Peace, Gentlemen.
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I found additional information on these men on H.M.S. Hood Rolls of
Honour (http://www.hmshood.com/crew/memorial/roh_others.htm) site
DAVID DALGLEISH
Able Seaman, J 41983, Royal Navy
Additional
Information: David was born in Glasgow, Lanarkshire on 26 June 1896. He
died on 16 November 1924 following an accident. He was 28 years old at
the time of his loss.
Click here for additional information at the
National Archives
(http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D6940916).
Source: ADM 104/111 (page 242)
MICHAEL MACKEY
Officers Steward 1st Class, L 6031, Royal Navy
Additional
Information: Michael was born in Cork on 16 April 1892. He drowned on
15/16 November 1924. He was 32 years old at the time of his loss.
Click
here for additional information at the National Archives
(http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7026333). Source:
ADM 104/111 (page 242)
Rest in Peace, David Dalgleish and Michael MacKey.
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Thanks Janet for adding this here. I HAD found the links and
included them in my 'Edit.' Just didn't get around to putting it here
too.
Glad we 'cover' for each other!! ;D
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HMS Hood 22 January 1925
Discharged Dead - presumed drowned - Bernard Coleridge - Officer's Steward 3rd. 1 13377
HMS
Hood web site lists Cobridge
(http://www.hmshood.com/crew/memorial/roh_others.htm) ? War Forces
Records list Colridge
(https://www.forces-war-records.co.uk/records/4920030/officers-steward-3rd-class-bernard-colridge-royal-navy/)
Rest in Peace, Sir.
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Although the dead I sadly have to report are not Royal Navy members, their fate must be known:
On
29 May 1914 S.S. Empress of Ireland" had a collision with the Norwegian
collier Storstad. Within 15 minutes the Empress keeled over. 1012
passengers and crew members lost their lives and only 465 were saved.
H.M.S. Essex went to assist survivors beached at Father Point.
The following days H.M.S. Essex recovered bodies from S.S. Empress of Ireland
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http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-41085/ADM%2053-41085-080_1.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-41085/ADM%2053-41085-081_0.jpg
http://www.norwayheritage.com/articles/templates/great-disasters.asp?articleid=99&zoneid=1
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Tragic indeed. The stoker who survived the Titanic and Empress of
Ireland had the fates on his side. I wonder what happened to him in the
war. Interesting that the Norwegian site made no mention of
passengers on Father Point or any other boats coming to help. You can
only imagine the horror of people woken up by that sort of collision and
the noise, cold & confusion. May they now rest in peace.
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Hi All
I have found a pair of very tiny anomalies which I
find interesting, although clearly not important. You might find it
interesting.
I am working on HMS Proserpine in June 1916.
On
the 20th she is at Mohammerah, (modern day Khoramshah) about one hours
sailing south of Basra on the Shatt al Arab She loses two stokers.
Arthur Newson in the morning & J McMillan the same evening to heat
stroke.
Here is the edited transcription of that day from
her log. I have written in my usual references to the Commonwealth War
graves website and to the Naval History casualties lists.
20 June 1915
Mohammerah
Lat 30.4, Long 48.2
12.55am: A Newson, stoker, departed this life from the effects of heat stroke {The
Commonwealth War Graves website lists his full name as Arthur John
Newson, his rank as stoker first class, service number as 295739, his
age as 36, his grave as Plot VII Muhammerah Cemetary, and his memorial
at Basra War Cemetary. Son of William & Jessie Newson, of
Walthamstow, Essex. Naval History website casualties list confirms
details & lists the cause of death as illness}
10.55am: HMS FLYCATCHER proceeded with the body of A Newson stoker to Basra for burial
4.33pm: John McMillan, Leading stoker departed this life from the effects of heat stroke {The
Commonwealth War Graves website lists J Mc Millan, Leading stoker,
service No K/6627 and his age as 30. His grave is reference III.A.21 at
Basra War Cemetary. Son of John & Mary McMillan of High St.,
Airdrie. Naval History website casualties list confirms details &
lists the cause of death as illness}
5.30pm: HMS MANTIS and HMS IMOGENE arrived
Number on sick list = 53
The
first anomaly is that the log clearly indicates that A Newson s body is
transferred to Basra for burial on HMS Flycatcher yet the Commonwealth
War graves site lists his grave as Muhammerah Cemetary.
The
following days log records the landing of John McMillan s body & a
funeral escort at Mohammerah and the burial there, although the
Commonwealth War Graves site indicates that John McMillan is buried at
Basra.
It also records the return of the funeral party from Basra following the burial of Arthur Newson.
21st June 1915
Mohammerah
Lat 30.4, Long 48.2
6.15am: Landed funeral escort & mourners
6.45am: Landed the remains of the late John McMillan, Leading stoker for burial
7.30pm: Funeral party returned from Basra in HMS FLYCATCHER
7.55am: Funeral escort & mourners returned on board
2.10pm: HMS SNAKEFLY arrived
3.55pm: HMS MAYFLY arrived
Number on sick list = 54
Of course we will never know but I wonder if their graves were in fact switched around.
Either way may they both rest in peace.
Keith
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It is minor to us editors, but it seems to me that if the family of
these two men are searching for their graves, the mix-up could be
distressing. I sent a copy of your post to Gordon and Don Kindell
in hopes they can straighten that out.
Rest in peace, Arthur John Newson and John McMillan.
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It
is minor to us editors, but it seems to me that if the family of these
two men are searching for their graves, the mix-up could be
distressing. I sent a copy of your post to Gordon and Don Kindell
in hopes they can straighten that out.
Rest in peace, Arthur John Newson and John McMillan.
Thanks Janet. I have already emailed Gordon direct.
On
further digging it appears that some graves were transferred to Basra
War Cemetery from other cemeteries in the area after the war, but that
doesnt explain the double anomaly.
K
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:)
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Further to the above, it gets slightly more odd.
On the days
between the 20th and 30th of June 1915 Proserpine lost a total of 5 men
all of whom were buried in Mohammerah according to the log. She also
buried one seaman from HMS Moth.
While looking up the details of
Ordinary Seaman H West who died and was buried there on the 30th I
found something interesting on the Commonwealth Graves Site. There is
reference to a memorial with the following wording
"To the
memory of these two British Sailors who died in June 1915 and were
buried at the time in Mohammerah Cemetery, Persia, but whose graves are
now lost.
Their glow shall not be blotted out.
S95739 1/Sto A J Newson RN HMS Proserpine 20-6-15
SS 6601 Ord Smn H West RN HMS Proserpine 30-6-15"
The
odd things are that firstly, as above, it appears that A Newson was in
fact buried at the time in Basra and secondly that there is no reference
on this memorial to the other three from Proserpine who died between
the 20th and 30th and were also buried at Mohammerah.
It is not clear whether the memorial was to be erected in Basra or in Mohammerah, or of course whether it was ever erected.
RIP all of these brave men, wherever they lie.
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Keith, these are all 1916, not 15.
But I think you just
explained why Newson's Mohammerah grave is "lost". I don't know
about West. It was clearly a very difficult month for your crew.
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You are right about the year. Not sure how I managed that, I do have it right in the edit.
Newson
remains the odd one as he never had a grave in Mohammerah. According to
the log, his body was shipped to Basra the day he died.
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Colombo
HMS Southampton, Sat 31st March 1923, 'died on board CPO Cook David Mitchell, No347257'.
4.00pm 'landed body of the late CPO Cook David Mitchell and sent it to hospital'
Sunday 1st April, 6.30am 'funeral firing party to drill'
5.00pm 'landed funeral party & band'
(1st April was Easter Sunday)
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-85372/0019_0.jpg
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-85372/0019_1.jpg
RIP David Mitchell
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Two more deaths from HMS Proserpine, this time in July 1917
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8.10pm:
First steam cutter run down and sunk by IWT tug ARAB. Coxswain and
bowman drowned. Leading stoker & stokers saved {Naval Casualties
website lists Bertie R Pettitt, Able Seaman J8417 (Ch) and Charles F
Greengrass, ordinary seaman J57199 (Ch). Presumably the coxswain and
bowman respectively. Commonwealth War Graves website lists Bertie
Randolph Pettitt, aged 22 and Charles Frederick Greengrass. Their
memorial are at Chatham Naval Memorial.}
RIP Bertie Pettitt & Charles Greengrass
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Another peacetime death on Southampton.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-85372/0032_0.jpg
26th April 1923
1530 Stoker 1st class Phillip Lewin, official number K56891, died on board
1738 Stopped both. Held funeral of the late Stoker Lewin.
RIP Phillip Lewin
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No details regarding the death - just a Funeral Party sent ashore:
(https://s3.amazonaws.com:443/oldweather/ADM53-39393/0015_1.jpg)
5:00pm: Funeral Party landed to attend funeral of Late Petty Officer Leigh
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/510362/LEIGH,%20T%20A
T.A. Leigh
Rank:Petty Officer
Service No:217552
Date of Death:24/09/1916
Regiment/Service:Royal Navy H.M.S. "Alert."
Grave Reference: Plot VII, Tanooma Cem. Mem.
Cemetery:BASRA WAR CEMETERY
Requiat in Pace
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How good that the Dalhousie stood in for the Alert
(http://naval-history.net/OWShips-WW1-50-HMS_Alert.htm), which was at
Abadan as their depot ship. The only notice in their logs was on
19 September 1916. "Motorboat left for Basra with hospital case"
Rest in peace, Petty Officer Leigh
I placed a poppy for him at http://www.everymanremembered.org/profiles/soldier/510362/
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http://www.everymanremembered.org/profiles/soldier/3041828/
Bombadier William White, HMS Orcoma, 8 March 1917
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=671.msg23576#msg23576
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Hi, I have another slight anomaly from HMS Clio's logs.
On
the 12th of October 1915 at Basra her log
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-38069/ADM53-38069-083_0.jpg)
includes the following:
7.45pm: Lost one Seedie boy out of boat
(drowned). While securing boat at Headquarters pier he fell overboard,
& was not seen again
The Naval history website lists the following:
Tuesday, 12 October 1915
Clio, sloop
ABDULLAH, Bin S, Seedie Boy, (no service number listed), illness
I will email Don and Gordon separately to point out the anomaly.
RIP S. Bin Abdullah
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Thanks for giving them notice, Keith.
Rest in Peace, Bin S Abdullah.
He is in Every Man Remembered (http://www.everymanremembered.org/profiles/soldier/3060901/)
SEEDIE BOY
ABDULLAH BIN SALIH
Both his age and ship are unknown by them.
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Thanks Janet. I have remembered him.
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H.M.S. Usk - At Malta
3 December 1918
9.00am: Three officers and twenty men left ship to attend funeral of stoker petty officer Paffey
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM
53-66590/ADM 53-66590-019_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM
53-66590/ADM 53-66590-019_1.jpg)
The Commonwealth War Graves Commission lists a reference to stoker petty officer Paffey.
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/116600/PAFFEY,%20R%20J
(http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/116600/PAFFEY,%20R%20J)
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We remember R J Paffey. Rest in Peace.
http://www.everymanremembered.org/profiles/soldier/116600/
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W. Wright, AB, passed away in the early hours of 17 July 1914 aboard
HMS Alert, whilst at Linga, Persia, and was intermed later that day at
Basidu, Persia (26.64, 55.28).
3.38am: Departed this life W. Wright AB
3.25pm: Lowered boats for Funeral Party.
5.0pm: Held divine service.
5.15pm: Landed remains of late W. Wright AB for interment. Landed funeral party.
6.15pm: Funeral party on board. Hoisted boats.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33290/ADM53-33290-054_1.jpg
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HMS Minotaur 26th Oct 1914
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-49545/ADM%2053-49545-179_1.jpg)
escorting the New Zealand Expeditionary Force
3.40pm: Convoy stopped engines for burial of Corporal Gilchrist, NZ contingent.
From
CWGC
(http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/642790/GILCHRIST,%20WILLIAM%20LOUIS%20JOHN%20%28JACK%29)
- Lance Corporal William Louis John (Jack) Gilchrist, New Zealand
Medical Corps died on 25th October aged 30. Son of the late William and
Agnes Gilchrist. Born at East Gore, Southland
Rest in peace
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H.M.S. Essex 30 May 1916
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-41098/ADM%2053-41098-017_0.jpg
The
body of Frederick Burbage was brought onboard after being ashore on
Great Salvage Island with a recreation party. He drowned and his body
was recovered.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-41098/ADM%2053-41098-017_1.jpg
He was buried at sea the next day at position 28 27 N, 15 14 W.
From
CWGC: Frederick James Burbage aged 23, was the son of James and
Elisabeth Burbage, of 6, Under Lane, Yeovil, Somerset. He commemorated
at Plymouth Naval Memorial.
Rest in Peace.
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On 11th June 1917 a funeral party went ashore from RFA Bacchus
(which I'm editing). A bit of research tracked down a record of
Albert Edward Cummings, an apprentice of SS Corinthia, of the Mercantile
Marine (so he isn't on the Naval History list). He was only 16
and died of meningitis. He came from Sunderland. I thought
he should be commemorated here.
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/627113/CUMMINGS,%20ALBERT%20EDWARD
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-34689/0024_1.jpg
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I thought he should be commemorated here.
Definitely!
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Someone photoed/recorded all 19 WW1 graves in Suda Bay cemetery,
including Albert Edward Cummings, son of James William & Mary Lizzie
Cummings of 8 Beatrice Street, Sunderland, Durham.
http://johnrgbland.blogspot.com/2014/06/suda-bay-commonwealth-war-cemetery.html
And he is included on Every Man Remembered site.
http://www.everymanremembered.org/profiles/soldier/627113/
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HMS Carnarvon 15 August 1914
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37094/ADM53-37094-032_1.jpg
1.30pm: William Gribble Stoker 2nd Class committed suicide by drowning
The
Casualty List on Naval History records that he died in the UK, but the
ship was off the Cape Verde Islands
http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCasAlpha1914-18G2.htm
CWGC
records the death as an accidental drowning, presumably to spare his
parents. He was only 22 years old.
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/3049104/GRIBBLE,%20WILLIAM
Rest in Peace, William Gribble.
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HMS Alert, 1st November 1915
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33292/ADM53-33292-003_1.jpg
pm:
31st October Death of Albert Beaver Stoker 1st Class. Age 24. British
nationality. Died of Enteric Fever at Basra Garrison Hospital.
A
detailed record of Albert Beaver, including photographs, is available
on: http://www.rutlandremembers.org/fallen/46/beaver-stoker-albert
I've left a message on the site adding the information contained in the logbook.
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HMS Alert, 29th December 1915
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33293/ADM53-33293-017_1.jpg
11.0am: Thomas A Burton, Seaman, RNR died of wounds.
I
note that his death is recorded as the 14th December 1915 elsewhere,
which I suspect is a transcription error at some point. Even in cases
where a crewmember has died after being transferred from Abadan to the
hospital in Basra, news arrived quickly and the actual date of death was
recorded.
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Alert was a depot ship, and all those little gunboats' crews were
assigned to her officially. It is quite possible he died far
enough away that the red tape had a chance to become snarled.
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HMS Bayano 22 July 1918
6.15pm: Passed dead body with lifebelt on
No position was recorded in the log
RIP Sailor known to God
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oh dear - oh dear oh dear...what a dreadful, tragic end. Unthinkable.
RIP poor soul
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HMS Alert, 1st June 1916
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33296/ADM53-33296-003_1.jpg
1.50pm: Seedie boys left for funeral.
2.0pm: 1 Seedie boy buried
No other details given, possibly as this is the first logbook after a gap of several months.
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Concord 23 Jul 1907
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol036of040/vol036of040_251_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol036of040/vol036of040_251_1.jpg)
Ah Kwan died whilst on liberty.
Moved to US burials.
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HMS Alert, 4th July 1916
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33297/ADM53-33297-005_0.jpg
5.0am: ON M16250 Ship's Steward's Assistant Cyril Slater found lifeless on top of the awnings.
9.10am: ML8 proceeded to Basra with the body of the late Ship's Steward's Assistant Cyril Slater on board.
Naval-History.net
records him as being a Turkish prisoner of war, does this refer to
situation at his death? If so, it's incorrect, given that he was on
board his ship at the time.
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Chief Cook Albert Frederick Stokes, Service No 342452, was aged 34
and the husband of Lilian Stokes, 35 Park St, Plymouth. He is
commemorated on Panel 7 of the Plymouth Naval Memorial.
He died at 5.55pm 23 Aug 1915 on HMS Diana. His funeral was held at 7.30pm on the same day off the coast of Yemen.
RIP Albert Frederick Stokes.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33297/ADM53-33297-010_1.jpg
3.10pm: John Lindsay Leading Trimmer RNAT passed away.
His funeral was held the next day at Mohammerah.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-33297/ADM53-33297-010_1.jpg
3.10pm: John Lindsay Leading Trimmer RNAT passed away.
His funeral was held the next day at Mohammerah.
Danny:
We are 'neighbors!' I'm working HMS(RIMS) DALHOUSIE in BASRAH at about
the same time. Have taken/sent Crew to you on ALERT! ;D
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HMS (RIMS) DALHOUSIE 22 August 1917
(https://s3.amazonaws.com:443/oldweather/ADM53-39404/0013_0.jpg)
AA Fillery, Able Seaman died of Heat Stroke in No. 3 Basrah General Hospital
Buried later in the day. http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/509853/FILLERY,%20A%20A
Requiescat in Pace
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HMS (RIMS) DALHOUSIE 10 September 1917
7:30am: Lieutenant Commander HW Gregory, Royal Navy of HMS HOVERFLY died at No. 3 Basrah General Hospital
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-39405/0007_0.jpg
Requiescat in Pace
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Goodness me - I wonder what took him away? He's quite senior so presumably not an accident? :(
RIP Lieutenant Commander HW Gregory
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Possibly illness - HMS Alert has certainly had weeks during the summer when seemingly half the crew was on the sick list.
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DALHOUSIE is moored in Basrah and has been for the 13 months I
have been working her. I constantly shift crew in and out of the
'Hospital' but I have never been sure if they are SICK or if that is
just a DUTY Station of some kind.
She also shifts crew in and out of many vessels so I believe she is acting as 'Depot Ship' of some type.
I've been 'lax' in my work on the Logs so now I'm 'pushing' for data and the 'back up' research will wait for a bit.
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Goodness me - I wonder what took him away? He's quite senior so presumably not an accident? :(
RIP Lieutenant Commander HW Gregory
By
September 17 the main fighting in the area had reduced significantly
and was way North of Baghdad, where even the fly clas gunboats were
unable to operate, particularly during the summer/autumn when the water
levels were low, therfore injury in action is unlikely.
Waterbourne
illnesses took a very large number of men during the summer in the
area. This is supported by the casualties list in the naval history site
which lists illness.
http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCasAlpha1914-18G2.htm
His memorial is at Basra War Cemetary. http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/509998/GREGORY,%20H%20W
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Remembering on this day 100 years ago the loss of over 400 crew and
civilians on HMS Natal (http://www.hmsnatal.co.uk/) at Cromarty.
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What a terrible accident - may they all rest in peace.
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RIMS (HMS) DALHOUSIE 15 September 1918
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-39417/0011_1.jpg
8:00am(about):
TCD Marshall Royal Navy Volunteer Reserve, Staff Surgeon departed this
life at Colaba War (Infectious) Hospital. Cause of Death - Cholera
5:30pm:
Interred the remains of the late TCD Marshall Royal Navy Volunteer
Reserve at Sewver Roman Catholic Cemetery with full Naval & Military
honours.
No luck finding further data on Person or Cemetery. :-[
RIP Staff Surgeon Marshall RNVR
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Hi
The cemetary is Sewri Cemetary, Bombay.
http://www.cwgc.org/find-a-cemetery/cemetery/2016603/Bombay%20(Sewri)%20Cemetery,%20Mumbai
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That was a tragic loss. It highlights the risks of caring for others :-\ :(
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Hi
The cemetary is Sewri Cemetary, Bombay.
http://www.cwgc.org/find-a-cemetery/cemetery/2016603/Bombay%20(Sewri)%20Cemetery,%20Mumbai
Thanks, Keith! Tough to read some of this!!
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And another.
RIMS (HMS) DALHOUSIE
29 September 1918
(https://s3.amazonaws.com:443/oldweather/ADM53-39417/0020_0.jpg)
8:15am: Received news of Death of AB Anderson, Lieutenant Royal Navy Reserve at Colaba War Hospital
4:00pm: Funeral party landed
7:30pm: Funeral party returned
RIP Lieutenant Anderson.
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That was a tragic loss. It highlights the risks of caring for others :-\ :(
I
believe cholera is spread by infected water supply, not
person-to-person transmission. But that doesn't lessen the
loss. Rest in peace, Staff Surgeon C. D. Marshall.
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/1481635/MARSHALL,%20C%20D
Rank: Staff Surgeon
Date of Death: 14/09/1918
Regiment/Service: Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve
H.M.S. "Dalhousie"
Panel Reference: Face A.
Memorial: KIRKEE 1914-1918 MEMORIAL
Additional Information: F.R.C.S. (Fellowship of the Royal College of Surgeons)
(http://www.cwgc.org/dbImage.ashx?id=16946)
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I do not know why CWGC have him listed on another ship.
Rest in peace, ALEXANDER BANNATYNE ANDERSON
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/1498526/ANDERSON,%20ALEXANDER%20BANNATYNE
Rank: Lieutenant
Date of Death: 28/09/1918
Age: 33
Regiment/Service: Royal Naval Reserve
H.M.S. "Diana."
Panel Reference: Face A.
Memorial:KIRKEE 1914-1918 MEMORIAL
Additional Information:
Son of James Anderson and the late Jane Green Anderson, of 56, Loanhead Terrace, Aberdeen.
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According to her log, Diana discharged him to Bombay depot on 11 Aug 1918.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-39843/ADM%2053-39843-008_1.jpg so he might have been waiting for a new ship.
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Given that the Dalhousie was mainly a transport/troopship, would Lt Anderson have been assigned to her if he was in transit?
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Given that the Dalhousie was mainly a transport/troopship, would Lt Anderson have been assigned to her if he was in transit?
That makes sense. He was passenger on Dalhousie, not crew.
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Given that the Dalhousie was mainly a transport/troopship, would Lt Anderson have been assigned to her if he was in transit?
That makes sense. He was passenger on Dalhousie, not crew.
Dalhousie
was mostly acting as Troopship/Transport/Depot ship for all the time I
have worked her. She 'gained/lost' 10 - 20 crew each day. It's been
a real 'trick' to keep track and list them in the Edits. Lt.
Anderson is listed as joined the ship on 20 August 1918 so I believe he
may have been 'Crew' of some type.
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When you are transporting experienced sailors, it's almost silly to
add another whole crew's worth to do the work. Spread the work out
instead of letting ride for free. ;D
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Another death to record.
Private John Hughes died on HMS Suva at 5.0am on the 30th of June 1916. Cause of death is given as heat apoplexy.
She was in Jeddah, and the previous day they had been unloading grain from the holds into lighters, in temperatures up to 95F.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61873/ADM%2053-61873-018_1.jpg
His details are given in the log as follows:
Private
John Hughes. H Company, Plymouth Depot of the RMLI, RFR official No
12090, aged 30 years, 9 months & 7 days and his last place of abode
as Beacons St, Birkdale, Southport.
That afternoon she left the
port of Jeddah & his body was consigned to the deep at 21 degrees 30
mins N, 39 degrees East. As she went straight back into the port after
the service, presumably they were not allowed to bury a non-muslim on
land.
RIP Private John Hughes
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HMS Raleigh 11 November 1921
(https://s3.amazonaws.com:443/oldweather/ADM53-82271/0062_0.jpg)
1420
Man overboard Port side ship steaming 22 knots on Course 200? at the
time. Dropped LifeBuoy. Squadron stopped & sent away life boats.
Course & speed as requisite. Searching.
1530 Discharged dead Joseph Brennan, Seaman, O.N. S.S. 5442 Lost overboard
1600 Abandoned Search. Squadron hoisted boats
Certificate of Death:
(https://s3.amazonaws.com:443/oldweather/ADM53-82271/0062_1.jpg)
Requiescat in Pace: Seaman Brennan
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That
afternoon she left the port of Jeddah & his body was consigned to
the deep at 21 degrees 30 mins N, 39 degrees East. As she went straight
back into the port after the service, presumably they were not allowed
to bury a non-muslim on land.
RIP Private John Hughes
That
would actually be a pretty accurate presumption. It wasn't until 2012
when non-Muslims were allowed to be buried in Saudi Arabia, and even
then it's only in a single cemetery in Riyadh. That same cemetery is the
only place in the country where stillborn babies are allowed to be
buried as well. Prior to 2012, non-Muslims were cremated. This is
actually a pretty strong point of contention among Muslim scholars,
because the Qur'an states that cremation or abandonment of a human body
is sacrilege, but doesn't specifically say whether it only applies to
Muslims, or if it applies to all human bodies.
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That's very interesting Hatterjack - didn't know those things :)
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HMS Raleigh 26 March 1922
(https://s3.amazonaws.com:443/oldweather/ADM53-82271/0130_1.jpg)
1430 Landed Funeral Party
1500
Half masted colours for funeral of late Ed Johns, Stoker of HMS
CONSTANCE [Possible: Edward Johns]
(https://livesofthefirstworldwar.org/lifestory/6504989)
I found no further details.
RIP Edward johns
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HMS Leviathan 7 September 1914
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-46556/ADM53-46556-035_0.jpg)
Convoy stopped engines during funeral of the late Private Stubbins Queen?s Own Royal regiment of KENILWORTH CASTLE
Commonwealth Graves Commission:
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/75194886/STUBBINS,%20JOHN
Stubbins, John
Rank:Private
Service No:L/9452
Date of Death:06/09/1914
Age:24
Regiment/Service:The Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment) 2nd Bn. Panel Reference: Panel 6 Memorial:BROOKWOOD 1914-1918 MEMORIAL
Additional
Information:Son of Martha Stubbins, of 11 St Johns Road, South Norwood,
Surrey. His step brother, Joseph Charles Bridgen, also fell.
RIP: Pvt Stubbins
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Another death from HMS SUVA
12.30pm: Stopped & committed the remains of Doola Essa (trimmer) to the deep
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM 53-61898/ADM 53-61898-011_1.jpg)
The noon location is given as Lat 17.5, Long 42.0
The
date is 17th September 1918. Earlier in the month the number of sick
went up suddenly to a peak of 32, then back down to 5 on this date.
Presumably this was the Spanish Flu epidemic.
Naval History site
lists him as Essa DOOLA, trimmer MMR (Merchant Marine Reserve) and the
cause of death as Illness. I hadnt realised that MMR are not included in
the Everyman Remembered site, (at least he is not listed there, so I
assume that is because he was MMR rather than RN (or its various
sections)). He appears to have no memorial listed on the Commonwealth
War Graves Website.
A bit of googling shows that there is a small
town on the Kenya, Somalia border called Doola, so it may be that he
came from there. I can find nothing else about him or his family.
RIP Essa Doola. He is remembered.
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HMS Empress records a funeral party going ashore at Mudros 6th June
1916. There was no record of a death on board in her logs, in fact on 5
Jun there was no-one on the sick list. Searches in NHN & CWGC
revealed that the casualty was Francis S Williams, no 1363/D, seaman RNR
of HMS Empress. He is recorded in NHN as having died of illness and
according to CWGC was buried in East Mudros Military Cemetery grave III
F16.
RIP Francis S Williams
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First casualty from HMS LAMA
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45973/ADM%2053-45973-010_0.jpg
Off Khuaka, Yemen, 16/10/1915
9.10pm:
Steam cutter & whaler left ship. Crew of dhow opened fire on crew
of boats, also firing from shore. Fired rounds at dhow & shore.
Steam cutter having broken down, weighed & proceeded to her
assistance. Ceased fire & picked up boats. One man John James
Corlett AB (NCS) and Alexander MacMillan RNR wounded, dhow under search
light observation
[Naval Casualties list records John J
Corlett, AB, of the Hong Kong Special Reserve, no V J 42859, HMS LAMA,
Killed in action. Commonwealth War Graves site records the memorial of
John James Corlett, No VJ/42859, age 24 of the Hong Kong Special
Reserve, HMS LAMA, son of John James & Margaret Corlett of Victoria
Rd, Ramsay, Isle of Man, as Panel 5, Plymouth Naval Memorial. RIP John
James Corlett]
He was buried the following day at sea at 12.7N, 43.2E
RIP John James Corlett
PS. A MacMillan was taken to Aden Hospital and rejoined the ship a few days after that on her next visit to Aden
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And a few more, with some interesting anomalies.
Firstly on the 6th of December 1915 her log has the following.
5.0pm: Abdoavamon Alluba, lascar, died from heart disease
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45975/ADM%2053-45975-005_0.jpg)
And on the following day
7.0am: Weighed & proceeded into Kamaran Harbour, landed all lascars to conduct obsequies of Abdoavamon Alluba, lascar
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45975/ADM%2053-45975-005_1.jpg)
Naval History Casualties list includes "ALLUBA Abdoavamon, lascar (no service number listed), of illness".
Interestingly
it also lists on the same day, also from HMS LAMA "ABUR, Rahman
A, Lascar, (no service number listed), illness"
This death is
not mentioned at all in the log, either on the date of death, nor any
reference to a burial. That seems really peculiar to have a full record
of one death and burial, while leaving out completely another death on
the same day.
Also there is no record of the burial of
Abdoavamon Alluba on the Commonwealth War Graves website, but there is a
record of the burial of Abdur Raman at Kamaran and his memorial in
Aden. That also seems peculiar.
I wonder if in fact there was
only one lascar died on board, and there has been some confusion over
names etc, or confusion with a lascar from a different ship.
Two days later her log lists the following
8.45pm: AB William John Isgard Kennett died from pleurisy, complications & heart failure
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45975/ADM%2053-45975-006_1.jpg)
His
death is remembered in Naval History Casualties and his grave and
memorial are mentioned in the Commonwealth War Graves lists.
It
also seems unusual (although perfectly possible) that three people
should die of illness on the same ship in a week, two of heart problems.
RIP Abdoavamon Alluba, Rahman A Abdur and William Kennett
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Does sound odd doesn't it? Especially heart failure. I wonder if
they all had something nasty like pleurisy/pneumonia in addition?
:-\
Poor souls. :(
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Does
sound odd doesn't it? Especially heart failure. I wonder if they all
had something nasty like pleurisy/pneumonia in addition? :-\
Poor souls. :(
The entry for Kennett does mention pleurisy & complications. Is pleurisy contagious?
K
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The infection causing it probably would be. :(
Is pleurisy contagious?
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The infection causing it probably would be. :(
Is pleurisy contagious?
Agreed :(
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Another sad death on HMS LAMA.
She is surveying off Hassani Island, north of Yenbo in the Red Sea in October 1916.
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45985/ADM%2053-45985-016_0.jpg)
At
3.30am on the 26th she records simply "Lascar fireman fell down no 1
hatch" and at the end of the same day "6.10pm: Lascar fireman died"
Almost macarebly she records the following in the Number on sick list box.
Number on sick list = 1, "Nil at 6.10pm "!!
The following day (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45985/ADM%2053-45985-016_1.jpg) she records
9.30 Funeral party left ship for Ummsahi Island
11.30 Funeral party returned
Nowhere
do we have his name, or anything else about him. I have to admit that I
haven't found Ummsahi Island exactly, but it is clearly v close to
Hassani (Hasani) Island at Lat 25.0, Long 37.1, presumably one of the
two small islands to the south east of Hassani.
RIP Unkown Lacar Fireman.
May he rest peacfully on Ummsahi Island
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Some good Red Sea maps at http://collections.lib.uwm.edu/cdm/ref/collection/agdm/id/2826
am015289d (second map) shows Umm Sahr near Hassani Island :-\
The last letter in Umm Sha? I, near the top left, does look a bit like the r in Bearings...
After
rounding the southern spit, we turned to north-east and by east, and
passed, with a minimum of seven fathoms under keel, between Hass?ni the
Giant and the dwarf Umm Sahr, a flat sandbank hardly visible from the
shore. This is the only good approach to the secure and spacious bay
that bore the southernmost Nabath?an port-town: there are northern and
north-western passages, but both require skilful pilots; and every other
adit, though apparently open, is sealed by reefs and shoals. With the
blue and regular-lined curtain of Ab? el-Ghurayr in front, stretching
down coast to Ras Ab? Madd, we bent gradually round to the north-east
and east. We then left to starboard the settlement El?Amlij, a long line
of separate ?Ushash, the usual Ichthyophagan huts, dull, dark-brown
wigwams. They were apparently deserted; at least, only two women
appeared upon the shore, but sundry Kat?rahs and canoes warned us that
fishermen were about. We ran for safety a mile and three-quarters north
of the exposed Ras el-Haur?; and at 1.30 p.m. (= twenty-one hours) we
anchored, in nine fathoms, under the Kut??at el-Wazamah. The pea-green
shallows, which defended us to the north and south, had lately given
protection to the Khediv?yyah206 steamer El?Hidayyidah, compelled by an
accident to creep along-shore like a Samb?k.
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It's easy enough to work out from the bearings:
"Hassani I. N89 1/2W, Umm Sahr I S9E, Meliha I N46W".
Giving
Hassani due West, Meliha (Maliha on Randi's map) North West, and Umm
Sahr South. There's also a mention of "Umsahr and Meliha" on the day of
his death, implying it's one of those many islands where the spelling
changes randomly.
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Thanks very much both. Will update my edited log.
K
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HMS Leviathan 29 May 1915 - (no further details in log)
Lieutenant Douglas Burrard Cooper
Rank:Lieutenant
Date of Death:28/05/1915
Age:27
Regiment/Service:Royal Navy H.M.A.S. "Melbourne" on loan to Royal Australian Navy
Grave Reference: 221.
Cemetery:BERMUDA ROYAL NAVAL CEMETERY
Additional Information:Son of R.B. Cooper, of Bilnery Court, Fairford, Gloucestershire; Husband of Adelaide Joan Schneid Cooper.
Requiescat In Pace Lieutenant Cooper
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And yet another death on HMS LAMA, she does seem to lose more than her fair share of crew.
22nd of June 1917, she is heading roughly North West having left Wejh on the coast of what is now Saudi Arabia at 1.0pm.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-45993/ADM%2053-45993-014_0.jpg
At 9.30pm she records
9.30pm:
Lorenco D'Souza (Goanese) reported missing, presumed overboard. Turned
ship 16pts to port to S55E and ship thoroughly searched
9.40pm:
Eased to slow and continued search for missing man (search lights
switched on) until 10.25 when resumed original course and speed and
abandoned search
Naval Casualties list includes Laurence D'Souza,
General Servant, Merchant Marine Reserve, (no service number listed)
and the cause of death as illnes. I understand that illness is often
used as a euphamism for suicide, but there is nothing else to suggest
this.
The following day she holds a Court of Enquiry on board
over the loss of the man overboard, but there is no conclusion recorded.
RIP Lorenco D'Souza
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Edinburgh Castle, 12 Nov 1914 6pm
Walter Stokes, Private RMLI, RFR Ch B/1594. H Company departed this life
He was buried at sea the next day Lat. 18.07S Long. 38.45W
CWGC records:
Private
Walter Stokes, age 35, CH/10147, was the husband of Mrs Holland
(formerly Stokes) of 1 Rob Roy Terrace, John St, New Basford,
Nottingham. He is commemorated on Panel 7, Chatham War Memorial.
RIP Walter Stokes
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Another death on Edinburgh Castle but on a crew member transferred from HMS Orama.
William
Surry is described as a fireman on CWGC and stoker in this log; he
served in the Mercantile Marine Reserve on HMS Orama. He was buried in
Choc Bay War Cemetery Row C, Gr 12.
However the crew of Edinburgh Castle went ashore in St Lucia to mark his burial
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-40562/ADM%2053-40562-061_1.jpg
RIP William Surry
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HMS Leviathan 6 September 1915
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46563/ADM%2053-46563-006_0.jpg
10.45pm:
Steam Pinnace (56 ft) no. 95 sunk after collision with DockyardTug
GOPHER. List of stores lost in No. 95 Steam Pinnace attached.
10.45pm: Private E.G. Saint Royal Marines Light Infantry departed this life, having been accidentally drowned
Ernest George Saint
http://www.everymanremembered.org/profiles/soldier/2755072/
RIP Pvt. Saint.
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HMS PERTH. In Perim Harbour 29/1/16.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-55066/ADM%2053-55066-017_1.jpg
2.4pm: Arab stoker, Galeb Ali left ship for hospital
10.0pm: Galeb Ali reported died in hospital at 8.30pm
Naval
History casualties lists "ALI, Ghalib (real name, but served as Galeb
Ali in some sources), Stoker (Indian), (service number not listed),
Perth, 29 January 1916, illness
Commonwealth war graves website lists Ghalib Ali, Stoker, HMS PERTH and his memorial as Bombay 1914-1918 Memorial Mumbai
He was buried the following day on Perim.
RIP Ghalib Ali.
Of
all the ships that I have edited that have spent time at Perim this is
the first indication that there was any sort of hospital on the Island.
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HMS Leviathan 6 September 1915
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46563/ADM%2053-46563-006_0.jpg
10.45pm:
Steam Pinnace (56 ft) no. 95 sunk after collision with DockyardTug
GOPHER. List of stores lost in No. 95 Steam Pinnace attached.
10.45pm: Private E.G. Saint Royal Marines Light Infantry departed this life, having been accidentally drowned
Ernest George Saint
http://www.everymanremembered.org/profiles/soldier/2755072/
RIP Pvt. Saint.
An Update:
9 September 1915: 3.30pom: The body of the late private E G
Saint Royal Marine Light Infantry was recovered by divers --
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46563/ADM 53-46563-008_1.jpg)
10 September 1915: 1.00pm: Landed funeral Party to attend
funeral of the late private E G Saint Royal Marine Light Infantry --
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46563/ADM 53-46563-009_0.jpg)
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HMS Leviathan 6 September 1915
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46563/ADM%2053-46563-006_0.jpg
10.45pm:
Steam Pinnace (56 ft) no. 95 sunk after collision with DockyardTug
GOPHER. List of stores lost in No. 95 Steam Pinnace attached.
10.45pm: Private E.G. Saint Royal Marines Light Infantry departed this life, having been accidentally drowned
Ernest George Saint
http://www.everymanremembered.org/profiles/soldier/2755072/
RIP Pvt. Saint.
An Update:
9 September 1915: 3.30pom: The body of the late private E G
Saint Royal Marine Light Infantry was recovered by divers --
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46563/ADM 53-46563-008_1.jpg)
10 September 1915: 1.00pm: Landed funeral Party to attend
funeral of the late private E G Saint Royal Marine Light Infantry --
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46563/ADM 53-46563-009_0.jpg)
Dean
I wondered if you were going to add this to the Everyman Remembered
site? Or perhaps that site is not really designed for this sort of log
entry? :-\
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HMS Leviathan 6 September 1915
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46563/ADM%2053-46563-006_0.jpg
10.45pm:
Steam Pinnace (56 ft) no. 95 sunk after collision with DockyardTug
GOPHER. List of stores lost in No. 95 Steam Pinnace attached.
10.45pm: Private E.G. Saint Royal Marines Light Infantry departed this life, having been accidentally drowned
Ernest George Saint
http://www.everymanremembered.org/profiles/soldier/2755072/
RIP Pvt. Saint.
An Update:
9 September 1915: 3.30pom: The body of the late private E G
Saint Royal Marine Light Infantry was recovered by divers --
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46563/ADM 53-46563-008_1.jpg)
10 September 1915: 1.00pm: Landed funeral Party to attend
funeral of the late private E G Saint Royal Marine Light Infantry --
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46563/ADM 53-46563-009_0.jpg)
Dean
I wondered if you were going to add this to the Everyman Remembered
site? Or perhaps that site is not really designed for this sort of log
entry? :-\
It
is, I tried, and thought I had several days ago when I first learned he
died. But when I went back today to add this latest I found nothing
there! I had voluminous 'password issues' trying to get in and gave
up!! :-[
I'll try again later.
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HMS Leviathan 6 September 1915
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46563/ADM%2053-46563-006_0.jpg
10.45pm:
Steam Pinnace (56 ft) no. 95 sunk after collision with DockyardTug
GOPHER. List of stores lost in No. 95 Steam Pinnace attached.
10.45pm: Private E.G. Saint Royal Marines Light Infantry departed this life, having been accidentally drowned
Ernest George Saint
http://www.everymanremembered.org/profiles/soldier/2755072/
RIP Pvt. Saint.
An Update:
9 September 1915: 3.30pom: The body of the late private E G
Saint Royal Marine Light Infantry was recovered by divers --
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46563/ADM 53-46563-008_1.jpg)
10 September 1915: 1.00pm: Landed funeral Party to attend
funeral of the late private E G Saint Royal Marine Light Infantry --
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46563/ADM 53-46563-009_0.jpg)
Dean
I wondered if you were going to add this to the Everyman Remembered
site? Or perhaps that site is not really designed for this sort of log
entry? :-\
It
is, I tried, and thought I had several days ago when I first learned he
died. But when I went back today to add this latest I found nothing
there! I had voluminous 'password issues' trying to get in and gave
up!! :-[
I'll try again later.
Oh dear - logging in nightmares are so off-putting :( Hope it is easier later for you :)
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I THINK I finally got it done.
Ernest G. Saint.
Remembered.
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I THINK I finally got it done.
Ernest G. Saint.
Remembered.
That's so satisfying - a soul remembered. We should all be remembered. :)
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HMS Leviathan 4 February 1916
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46568/ADM%2053-46568-005_0.jpg)
3.22pm:
Man overboard 29.0 N 67.4W. Dropped Starboard LifeBuoy. Helm &
engines as requisite for closing LifeBuoy. Acting Leading Stoker W. T.
Holt: 101775, not saved.
3.55pm: Helm & engines as requisite for picking up LifeBuoy
4.02pm: Course N 41? E. 87 revx
4.13pm: Streamed Patent Log.
4.30pm: Course N 42? E
5.00pm: Quarters. Held Funeral Service for the late Leading Stoker W T Holt
Added to 'Everyman Remembered.'
Requite in Pace William Thomas Holt.
Fixed link, Randi
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(Dean I think the link is a bit widdershins :-\ )
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Another death on HMS Perth
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-55078/ADM%2053-55078-013_0.jpg
20/1/17
5.30pm:
Private Egleton RMLI shot by accidental discharge of a revolver (.455
Webley automatic), Sergeant Brooks RMLI shot through left hand by same
bullet
10.45pm: Private Egleton died
The following day she reports. http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-55078/ADM%2053-55078-013_1.jpg
6.45am: Ship's company mustered for funeral of Pte Egleton RMLI which took place 3 miles West by North from Gizan.
(Note
that he is referred to in the logs as Pte Egleton, but it appears from
Naval History & Commonwealth War Graves sites that his surname was
spelled Eggleton)
Remembered on Everyman Remembered.
RIP Fred Eggleton
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Edinburgh Castle reported that Ooma, a supply vessel left Abrolhos
anchorage for a funeral on 20 May 1917. The deceased was a fireman named
Thomas Chambers who died accidentally according the NHN. He is
commemorated on panel 25 of the Plymouth Memorial. During the funeral EC
half-masted her colours.
RIP Thomas Chambers
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1st December 1914, HMS Berwick.
7.10pm: Death from heart failure, George French Petty Officer (OS) ON 168030.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-35258/ADM53-35258-133_0.jpg
2nd December:
9.00am: Stopped. Divisions. Performed Divine Service. Committed to the deep the mortal remains of Petty Officer George French.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-35258/ADM53-35258-133_1.jpg
Rest in peace, George French.
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Two more deaths to report on HMS PERTH.
After three years on
the Red Sea Patrol, she is returning to Britain. She is accompanying a
convoy from Gibraltar to Milford Haven in October 1918 when the convoy
spots a submarine. Her log records the action. The submarine (U139)
appears to have surfaced & attacked with gunfire before submurging
twice. On both occasions an officer on Perth was killed.
The submarine subsequently sunk one ship in the convoy.
Both men were buried at sea at 5 pm the following day, North East of her noon position at 42.7N, -9.4W.
Acting Sub Lieutenant Frederick Fotheringham A Stevenson & Assistant Paymaster Charles Maile. RIP.
Both commemorated on Everyman Remembered
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I am currently working on HMS Fox. Her log page for the 17th of
November 1915 is here. She was in Suez.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42080/0011_1.jpg
At 3.15pm it records that she landed a funeral party for the funeral of.... and there is no name!!
There
is no record of a death at all, on the previous days log, nor on any of
the preceding days. This is the link to the log page for the 16th of
November. https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42080/0011_0.jpg
I
did some research through the Naval History Casualties list &
discovered that an RMLI Private named Henry Burden was the casualty on
the 16th of November. I googled him & came upon some wonderful work
that has been done by the Misterton & West Stockwith History
Society, researching his history for the Nottinghamshire Roll of Honour.
It is great to see this level of detail published for WW1 casualties.
http://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/rollofhonour/People/Details/22267
I
noticed a tiny discrepancy on the cause of Henry Burden s death. The
Roll of Honour mentions that RN&RM War Graves Roll records that the
cause of death was 'killed or died by means other than disease, accident
or enemy action.". Naval History casualties records his death as
"sccident" (sic) (tiny typo could be corrected next time Maikel or Caro
is working in that area)
The log gives nothing to help us get closer,
not even mentioning the death. The only point which may be of relevance
is that the 16ths log records that four warrants were read at 5.40am
and that as a result four men were despatched to prison in Cairo.
My conjecture was that he may have been killed, by them, possibly in a fight or other incident.
However, I contacted the Misterton & West Stockwith History Society, via an email address on the internet.
I
received an immediate response from a David Seymour confirming that
their understanding was that Henry Burden died while on shore leave, by
being hit by a train, while drunk. They have actually spoken to his
descendants about the incident & that is their understanding. David
sent me an article from a local newspaper confirming this, although not
the fact that he was drunk!
It included text of a letter sent by the
chaplain of HMS Fox to his parents describing his death & funeral
& offering condolencies.
Presumably the imprisonment of four crew members was that his mates were disciplined for their presence at the incident.
I
have remembered Henry Burden on the British Legion?s Every man
remembered website.
http://www.everymanremembered.org/profiles/soldier/473724/
Congratulations to the Misterton & West Stockwith History Society for their excellent research.
RIP Pte HENRY BURDEN. RMLI of West Stockwith.
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What an amazing bit of history needlework, Keith - stitching a
life's story back together again. I can't imagine how sad it must have
been for his mum and dad to loose three children in that one war. And
what a sorry event that one death was suffered whilst out trying to
enjoy a tiny bit of personal time in amongst the battles that lasted 4
years.
Rest In Peace Pte HENRY BURDEN. RMLI of West Stockwith.
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Nice work, Keith.
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Absolutely amazing what we have found as we 'wander through history' doing these logs!
Great job, Keith!!
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HMS Galatea 21st March 1919 in dry dock at Wallsend - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42347/0043_1.jpg
Alfred
Edward Minter. Male. aged 35. Stoker 1st class, British. Home address. 1
Caletock St. East Greenwich. Accidentally killed by falling over ship's
side into dry dock
From
CWGC record
(http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/386219/MINTER,%20A%20E) - he
was the son of William John and Emily Minter and the husband of Ellen
Minter.
Rest in peace, Alfred Minter
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HMS FOX, 20th Feb 1917, on route from Sokotra (off Somalia) to Aden.
Records the death of Henry W Nye, M11456 (DEV) of Dysentry, and at 4 pm
the same day his burial at sea.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42095/0013_0.jpg.
Extrapolating between the positions at Noon and 8pm gives an approximate location for the funeral of Lat 13.3, Long 49.4.
RIP Henry Nye.
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Another feature of the recording of the causes of naval deaths, both
at sea and in port, is that some of these were inevitably suicides. At a
time when suicide was a crime, carried a great social and religious
stigma and probably had an effect on pension rights, the Navy went to
great lengths to mark these deaths as accidental. I have certainly seen
several in logs that I have done and it is possible that Tegwen's Henry
Burden fell into that category.
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H.M.S. Caronia
23 March 1915 - At Halifax, Nova Scotia.
Peter
Donnelly, fireman aged 35, died 8.20am of fractured skull, result of
fall from Jacob's ladder into ship's boat at 10.20am 22nd March when boats crew were embarking H.M.S. "Caronia" after exercise "Abandon Ship"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37167/0123_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-37167/0123_0.jpg)
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"Diana" records the sale of deceased ERA's effects on 8 April 1918. A
little digging around Naval History and CWGC identified the deceased as
William A Wiltshire 271689 who died in Singapore on 19th Jan. He is
buried in Kranji Cemetery grave 37.E.12. There are no further details in
either source.
RIP William Wiltshire
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Another
feature of the recording of the causes of naval deaths, both at sea and
in port, is that some of these were inevitably suicides. At a time when
suicide was a crime, carried a great social and religious stigma and
probably had an effect on pension rights, the Navy went to great lengths
to mark these deaths as accidental. I have certainly seen several in
logs that I have done and it is possible that Tegwen's Henry Burden fell
into that category.
Sorry,
I missed this one when it was posted. I agree that many of the deaths
that we see were suicide, I have reported a few definite & a few
possible myself. It is indeed possible that he threw himself under the
train, but the family's understanding, as reported by the Misterton
& W Stockwith History Society is that he was drunk & that it was
an accident. That of course does not mean that it wasnt actually
suicide while affected by alcohol.
Whatever the cause I trust that he rests in peace.
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10 Jul 1918
John Wheelan RNR, stoker, service number 7034S, aged
27 was the son of John & Margaret Whelan, Upper King St, Wexford. He
is commemorated on the Plymouth Naval Memorial.
Earlier that day he died during the administration of choloroform from heart failure
RIP John Whelan
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Hi
I wonder if anyone can help with a casualty query from HMS
FOX. She is in Archangel in 1919 & at 11pm on the 7th of July
records receipt of 3 dead men's effects. Here is the log page.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42115/ADM%2053-42115-006_1.jpg
Two
of the men are relatively easy to read & to trace. They are John
Sexton (Leading seaman, No J24832 ) & Thomas Cheesebrough (Ordinary
Seaman No J84593). The dates etc of their death are recorded in the
Naval History Casualties list here.
http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1919b.htm. It has also been easy to
find details on the revised Commonwealth War Graves site, including
their memorials etc. They are recorded as killed in a mine explosion.
That has not been recorded in the log, so I guess took place up river,
where several detatchments of men have been sent, while Fox stayed in
Archangel.
The difficulty comes with the third. The name is hard
to read, my best guess is Sandler, but several other possibiliites
exist. I can find no possible candidates either in Naval Casulaties or
in the Commonwealth War Graves site, where it is possible to search by
date of death & fairly easy as the numbers of casualties is low
compared with the war years.
Obviously he could be a civillian
seaman, so may not turn up in any of these searches, but it would be
good to find him & remember him properly if possible.
Any help gratefully received.
K
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Sad news on HMS Leviathan:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46574/ADM 53-46574-098_1.jpg
1.11pm: Departed this life Joseph Smith Petty Officer, 1 invalid for passage to England, HMS CARNARVON.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46574/ADM 53-46574-099_0.jpg
8.00am: Landed the remains of the late Joseph Smith, Petty Officer for interment.
Burial Details: https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2755079/smith,-joseph-stanley/
Listing added to Every Man remembered.
Requiem in Pace Joseph Smith.
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Another from Leviathan:
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-46574/ADM 53-46574-205_1.jpg)
Stoker 1st Class
MILLER, HENRY JOHN GARDNER
Service Number PO/K/33007
Died 05/09/1918
Aged 22
Son
of Mrs. Charlotte Miller, of 49, Mortimer Rd., Itchin, Southampton;
husband of H. Miller, of 19, Henrietta St., Somers Rd., Portsmouth,
England.
Buried at NEW YORK CITY BROOKLYN (THE EVERGREENS) CEMETERY
Location: New York, United States of America
Cemetery/memorial reference: 37. Ocean View Sec.
Requiem in Pace Stoker Miller.
Added to Every Man Remembered.
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Hi
I
wonder if anyone can help with a casualty query from HMS FOX. She is in
Archangel in 1919 & at 11pm on the 7th of July records receipt of 3
dead men's effects. Here is the log page.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-42115/ADM%2053-42115-006_1.jpg
Two
of the men are relatively easy to read & to trace. They are John
Sexton (Leading seaman, No J24832 ) & Thomas Cheesebrough (Ordinary
Seaman No J84593). The dates etc of their death are recorded in the
Naval History Casualties list here.
http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1919b.htm. It has also been easy to
find details on the revised Commonwealth War Graves site, including
their memorials etc. They are recorded as killed in a mine explosion.
That has not been recorded in the log, so I guess took place up river,
where several detatchments of men have been sent, while Fox stayed in
Archangel.
The difficulty comes with the third. The name is hard
to read, my best guess is Sandler, but several other possibiliites
exist. I can find no possible candidates either in Naval Casulaties or
in the Commonwealth War Graves site, where it is possible to search by
date of death & fairly easy as the numbers of casualties is low
compared with the war years.
Obviously he could be a civillian
seaman, so may not turn up in any of these searches, but it would be
good to find him & remember him properly if possible.
Any help gratefully received.
K
Dear Keith,
I
just spotted this message - sorry not to have caught it 'on time'
::) Whilst looking for Mr Sandler/Scudder/difficult to read I
came across this very sad letter sent by the Bolshevik Soldiers to the
Navy. It is translated but makes pitiful reading in many respects. I do
so hope that they were not shot. Though their hope to retain Liberty was
forlorn :-\
http://www.naval-history.net/WW1zI01Signal01Large.jpg
(https://i.imgur.com/hzzteaw.png)
Still trying out various names for the third sailor.
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Keith would it be worth trying 'Scudder' - it's certainly a surname, though I don't know any myself.
And I tripped over this:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#
Web page title: HMS Gentian and Myrtle, and...
Web link: http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1919b.htm
Wednesday, 2 July 1919
RUSSIAN INTERVENTION
(this is the same incident, but the relationship is not known)
Fox, 2nd class cruiser, Archangel base ship, mine explosion, North Russia
CHEESEBROUGH, Thomas M, Ordinary Seaman, J 85493, killed
SEXTON, John, Leading Seaman, J 24832 (Dev)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sexton
was a surprise - it certainly looks like Seaton to me, and I thought it
was Cheesebough. So my theory of Scudder may be right up the pole :-\
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Good find - sad indeed.
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HMS Renown at Bombay 5th January 1922 - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82386/0073_0.jpg
Died
in Hospital Colaba of Tubercle of the Lung at 0230. Walter Whiting,
Private RMLI Aged 22 years 6 months. Address 58 Henderson Road Eastney
Portsmouth
HMS Renown at Karachi 9th March 1922 - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-82386/0111_1.jpg
Received
news of death of Arthur George Huxley, Engine Room Artificer 1st class,
at Kolaba hospital Bombay from injuries to the head.
(I can't find any mention of the cause of the head injuries)
Rest in peace, Walter Whiting and Arthur Huxley
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A very sad entry - HMS Blenheim at Malta, 27th February 1916:
7.00am: George Burns Shipwright (Temp Service) committed Suicide by cutting his throat
9.30am: Half masted colours. Landed the body of the late George Burns Shipwright.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-35574/0218_1.jpg
He
is listed on the NHN list, as having died from illness, and he's
recorded on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission website as being
buried in Malta, at the Capuccini Naval Cemetery. I'm glad that he
was given that honour.
Rest in peace, George Burns.
PS
His funeral took place on 29th February, and was attended by 20 men from
Blenheim, just the day before they sailed for Port Mudros.
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Another sad death, this time from HMS Yarmouth, in 1919, on route
from Pernambuco, Brazil to Port of Spain, on the 23rd of August 1919.
7.43pm:
Man overboard, stopped, turned ship, lowered 1st and 2nd Cutters and
burnt searchlights, course and speed as requsite, cruising near
lifebuoy. Position Lat 0o 58'N, Long 45o 45'W
8.35pm: Hoisted boats
8.55pm: Extinguished searchlights, man not saved. Ordinary Seaman Henry Ashdown O.N. J92539
[Ordinary Seaman Henry Ashdown J92539 is remembered in the Naval History Website. Cause of death listed as drowned]
[Commonwealth
War Graves lists Henry Ashdown J92539 as aged 18, Son of Mr & Mrs
Ashdown of 41 Pridham Rd. East, Thornton Heath, Surrey & his
memorial as Chatham Naval Memorial]
RIP Henry Ashdown
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Not a death on one of my ships, but some may be interested.
I
had a few minutes to kill today in the Cornish Village of Port Isaac,
so I went into a cafe called the Chapel. It was a beautiful old Wesylan
chapel, wonderfully converted into a cafe & craft market, selling
pottery, clothing etc. Good coffee too.
As a chapel it has a few
memorials on the wall & I was drawn to the one shown in the
following link.
http://www.portisaacheritage.co.uk/viewer/?searchType=exhibitions&searchValue=39&mediaID=433.
I took a couple of pictures of it intending to attach them, but
I dont think it is possible to attach files any more. I am pleased that
they are not needed due to the link.
It is a memorial for
Richard Lobb, who was killed on HMS Highflyer, one of our ships, on the
26th of August 1914. I have looked up her logs & they include the
following:
RJ Lobb, Leading Carpenter?s Crew, ON M.2882 (Dev)
killed in action, shot through left chest. 10 Ratings slightly wounded.
Survivors landed in their own boats before sinking. Sent boats with
medical assistance. Intentions apparently misunderstood; boats were
recalled and hoisted. 3 colliers escaped to southward during action.
and on the following day:
9.47am: Stopped. Buried late Carp. Crew Lobb, 24 45N, 17 41W.
RIP Richard Lobb. It is good to know that you were well thought of & well remembered in your home town.
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Not a death on one of my ships, but some may be interested.
I
had a few minutes to kill today in the Cornish Village of Port Isaac,
so I went into a cafe called the Chapel. It was a beautiful old Wesylan
chapel, wonderfully converted into a cafe & craft market, selling
pottery, clothing etc. Good coffee too.
As a chapel it has a few
memorials on the wall & I was drawn to the one shown in the
following link.
http://www.portisaacheritage.co.uk/viewer/?searchType=exhibitions&searchValue=39&mediaID=433.
I took a couple of pictures of it intending to attach them, but
I dont think it is possible to attach files any more. I am pleased that
they are not needed due to the ink.
It is a memorial for
Richard Lobb, who was killed on HMS Highflyer, one of our ships, on the
26th of August 1914. I have looked up her logs & they include the
following:
RJ Lobb, Leading Carpenter?s Crew, ON M.2882 (Dev)
killed in action, shot through left chest. 10 Ratings slightly wounded.
Survivors landed in their own boats before sinking. Sent boats with
medical assistance. Intentions apparently misunderstood; boats were
recalled and hoisted. 3 colliers escaped to southward during action.
and on the following day:
9.47am: Stopped. Buried late Carp. Crew Lobb, 24 45N, 17 41W.
RIP Richard Lobb. It is good to know that you were well thought of & well remembered in your home town.
I
have learned that if you start an account at www.imgur.com (free) and
then upload the pictures - then they show several links - one is "BB
CODE" which you can copy and paste here to show the picture.
(https://i.imgur.com/aVXZ1jZ.jpg)
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Thanks Dean. Will give it a try. My pictures are no better than the
one in the link so I guess they will suffice if I cannot work it.
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H.M.S. Constance - At Devonport
31 January 1923
7.00am:
Charles William Woods, sex male, age 25 9/12 years, rank cook,
nationality English, last place of abode 11 Goosewell Cottages
Plymstock, Devon, found dead in bakehouse, asphyxiated by carbonic acid
gas
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74052/ADM%2053-74052-020_0.jpg
3 February 1923
9.00am: Court of Inquiry concerning death of Charles William Woods ON M15397 assembled on board
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-74052/ADM%2053-74052-021_1.jpg
Lives of the First World War lists Charles William Woods, service number ON M15397, where he is listed as Charles William Wood.
https://livesofthefirstworldwar.org/lifestory/6464257
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From the log of HMS Blenheim, 2nd May 1916
5.45pm: Sent
divers to Staunch to search for body of drowned man (This was John T B
LITTLE, Able Seaman, J 26757 (Po) His body was finally recovered
on 10th May, and he was buried at sea.)
And from 10th May:
8.45am: Recovered the body of the late J Little AB HMS Staunch drowned
9.45am: Transferred the body of the late J Little AB to Harpy for burial at sea. Half masted colours.
10.15am: Mastheaded colours
Rest in peace, AB Little.
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HMS Veronica at Port Darwin 14th July 1920 - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-89883/0065_1.jpg
10.30pm: Sub Lieut. Ferguson RN slipped over gangway & died by drowning
From
CWGC
(https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/642904/ferguson,-alexander-burns/)
- Alexander Burns Ferguson, aged 19, son of Mr. A.M. Ferguson
The next day - https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-89883/0066_0.jpg
5.00pm: Funeral of Late Sub Lieut Ferguson RN. Buried at Port Darwin Cemetery with full Naval Honours.
(Although the CWGC record shows he was buried in a churchyard in Auckland)
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Ah, I had one like that, Caro checked the entry and he had been
'concentrated'. Places where 1 or 2 CWGC burials were present overseas
were difficult to look after and so moved to where there were more of
them. That didn't happen in the UK because it was assumed that the
family or local authority would look after them. The UK ones are
inspected periodically though. My mother was Parish Clerk in England and
my brother took the inspector off to the churchyard - a headstone had
been temporarily removed because a neighbouring grave had been opened
and the ground hadn't resettled - but the inspector had to see that the
headstone was in safe storage!! If you look carefully you can find the
any 'concentration' on the record.
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Ah,
I had one like that, Caro checked the entry and he had been
'concentrated'. Places where 1 or 2 CWGC burials were present overseas
were difficult to look after and so moved to where there were more of
them. That didn't happen in the UK because it was assumed that the
family or local authority would look after them. The UK ones are
inspected periodically though. My mother was Parish Clerk in England and
my brother took the inspector off to the churchyard - a headstone had
been temporarily removed because a neighbouring grave had been opened
and the ground hadn't resettled - but the inspector had to see that the
headstone was in safe storage!! If you look carefully you can find the
any 'concentration' on the record.
Thanks, I guessed that he must have been moved rather than it being a mistake but had no idea why.
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Found a photo of his gravestone and he was from Auckland, so in this case his family must have brought him back home.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/120611899/alexander-burns-ferguson
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Nice thought. I have a book on the history of the CWGC, the
politics!! In the end I think it was a combination of numbers, money and
not wishing to be seen to favour those who could afford to pay for
repatriation. But they did a wonderful job, I like especially the fact
that any enemy combatants who died in British control were given the
same treatment. It takes a trained eye to spot their graves among the
others - the shape at the top is slightly angled rather than rounded.
I'm not sure about the Japanese in WW2 though.
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This is the first one I've come across, a copy of the actual death certificate.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-76427/ADM%2053-76427-0093_0.jpg
RIP Thomas John Cornwell
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I'm updating the log of HMS Hampshire. She was my first ship and my
skills have improved since then so I'm going through her again.
She recorded a funeral party on 13 Dec 1914. A bit of digging revealed:
The
funeral was of Bertram T Burrow, Ordinary Seaman, J 15818, who was
drowned the previous day. He was 18 and the son of James John Burrow of 8
Little George St, Buckland, Portsmouth. He is buried in Gibraltar
(North Front) Cemetery, grave C 2860
RIP Bertram Burrow