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Title: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 21 October 2012, 17:20:01
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Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 24 October 2012, 12:34:02
Here is the cover of her first logbook.  :)

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DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE   
UNITED STATES COAST AND GEODETIC SURVEY   
E. LESTER JONES, Superintendent.
LOG BOOK Ship Pioneer.   
H. A. Beran, COMMANDING.   
From April 8, 1922, to July 1, 1922.

List of Officers: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%201%20-%20April-July,%201922/IMG_7777_0.jpg

And the scanners photoed her cover upside down.
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Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 October 2012, 13:18:58
I saw that and I thought they had done the whole thing upside down! ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 24 October 2012, 15:14:46
I've just started having a go at Pioneer, on the entirely unscientific grounds that I loved the picture of her!  Here's some interesting information from the beginning of the first log book, April to July 1922.

List of officers:
H A Beran, H & G Eng, joined April 8th 1922
Okison, F~y E, Mate, joined April 8th 1922
Peters, J. H. H & ~ Engr, joined April 20th 1922, detached April 30th 1922
Hemple, H W Jr H & G Engr, joined April 20th 1922
Smook, J. M. Jr H & G Engr, joined May 5th 1922
Wexler, H. A. Deck Officer, joined May 11th 1922, detached June 10th 1922
Adams, K. T. H & G Eng, joined June 21st 1922
Bond (very enigmatic - no other information given!)

And here's a copy of the instructions for keeping the log book:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%201%20-%20April-July,%201922/IMG_7777_1.jpg

And here's information about her size:
General Dimensions Vessel: Length at load water line 180 ft; Extreme breadth of beam at load water line 35 ft 6 in; Draft - Forward 12ft; Aft 13 ft 8.5 in; Displacement 1200 tons
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Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 24 October 2012, 15:27:57
Here's the second page of the instructions.  Thanks for finding them, I wanted to have them. :)

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%201%20-%20April-July,%201922/IMG_7778_0.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 24 October 2012, 15:32:10
And here comes the first handwriting question!  On this page, it says that the enlisted men were 'lodged and ~oisted ashore' - at the bottom of the left hand lot of writing (which is worth reading - the writer sounds rather cross!).  Can anyone tell me what missing word is?

Also, an interesting snippet of information, is that before she was Pioneer, she had been called Osprey.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%201%20-%20April-July,%201922/IMG_7779_0.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 24 October 2012, 15:41:57
That is one teed off engineer - here he is, wanting to turn that pretty little ship into a snug home for the crew, and the ship is still declared uninhabitable because the depot totally failed to deliver, and "All the enlisted men are being lodged and subsisted ashore."

Anyone who has worked around engineers knows better than to annoy them that much.  All the skills that allow them to build and design useful stuff can easily be used to make someone's life miserable. 

Something my father, a civil engineer, taught me.  Very creative, are engineers. ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 October 2012, 15:43:04
Subsisted:
v.intr.
1.
a. To exist; be.
b. To remain or continue in existence.
2. To maintain life; live: subsisted on one meal a day.
3. To be logically conceivable.
v.tr.
To maintain or support with provisions.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 24 October 2012, 16:24:29
thank you - I don't think I've ever seen 'subsisted' as a verb before!  We've now reached about April 20th and they're preparing to sail for Philadelphia - though they still have no instruments.  I've done over 30 pages, and only one single solitary weather record - a note of wind force ....
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 October 2012, 16:27:30
I may have been misleading in what I copied...

sub?sist  (sb-sst)
v. sub?sist?ed, sub?sist?ing, sub?sists
v.intr.
1.
a. To exist; be.
b. To remain or continue in existence.
2. To maintain life; live: subsisted on one meal a day.
3. To be logically conceivable.
v.tr.
To maintain or support with provisions.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 24 October 2012, 19:13:37
thank you - I don't think I've ever seen 'subsisted' as a verb before!  We've now reached about April 20th and they're preparing to sail for Philadelphia - though they still have no instruments.  I've done over 30 pages, and only one single solitary weather record - a note of wind force ....

Was  that a gale of steam coming off your cross engineer's head! ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 25 October 2012, 07:59:32
 :D :D :D

He finally got some boats (and carefully put in the invoice numbers!) and some supplies; carefully recorded what they'd handed back to the naval depot in Boston (I did wonder whether a point was being made ...) and made it to Philadelphia, at which point they've had to empty the ship again, and send most of the crew back to Boston to pick up the other ship, while the dockyard which got the contract for the conversion gets to work.  I think this ship is going to have a long lead in before much happens - which may at least give me a chance to get used to the worst of the writers (who of course is the one who always seems to be keeping the log when anything of interest happens!)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 25 October 2012, 14:47:38
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 25 October 2012, 16:18:00
Talk about detail bringing it all to life.  While the ship is in the dockyard (the actual one rather then virtual one), this is what's happening:

starting this day @ breakfast 12 men are messed at Mrs Kwan, 1108 Palmer St.

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Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 25 October 2012, 16:24:28
You know, after all those very terse and abbreviated comments on the RN logs, it starts me wondering, what would those men have added if they had a whole page to expand into, instead of that little column?
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 25 October 2012, 16:26:15
Absolutely - I've just been doing the narrative page for this date, which gives a detailed account of who was on board working on what, and when they stopped for lunch, and knocked off for the day.
And adds the detail that the laundry was sent ashore at 2pm ....
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 25 October 2012, 16:30:18
And again - King, James F, nightwatchman, starting rooming ashore, on account of too much noise aboard to sleep during daytime.

Given that they're busy removing rivets and demolishing bits of superstructure, you'd think someone might just have thought of this before ....
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 26 October 2012, 14:15:01
I'm just fascinated by the level of detail (though I suspect it's partly because they're in the dockyard and there's not much to write about) ...  Anyway, today, I'm sure you'll be thrilled to know (it's 17th May 1922) Mr Smook was given the afternoon off to see a doctor for treatment of a cold.  I wonder whether he ever imagined that 90 years later someone would be reading that?

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Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 26 October 2012, 14:41:46
I think the personnel department needs to improve their tactics - they've just enlisted a certain Mr Pinkstow, who deserted after 5 hours work ....

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Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 26 October 2012, 16:19:41
Very frequently everywhere in life, the only way to find out who is incapable is to try them out.  Being temporary, I suspect the Navy will not be arresting and punishing Mr Pinkstow, as the administrative costs would far exceed what they'd be willing to pay him before firing him anyway.  ::)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 26 October 2012, 18:00:36
Well, this tactic has just paid off - they enlisted a certain Roman Pawlowski as a wireless operator, 2nd class on 12 June, but he turned out to be less than 2nd class and was discharged for ineptitude on 15th June.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 26 October 2012, 20:45:48
Do you think you'll ever get a crew together Helenj?  :-\ ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 27 October 2012, 11:26:27
Oh, yes, I'm quite hopeful.  They're enlisting men in ones or twos most days, and only a few have done a runner or been given their marching orders.  How they're all going to feel once they get to sea is still to be discovered - at the moment they're basically painters and decorators.  :D

Later - I may have spoken too soon - as well as the men signing on, there's a constant trickle of men being discharged, and others deserting.  The latest are two who signed on on 15th June, and had gone a week later ....  And this is despite them being issued with clothing - what else could they ask for?
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 27 October 2012, 13:06:55
Pioneer, 1st July to 13th October 1922 - List of officers

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7868_0.jpg

Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 27 October 2012, 13:33:32
Suddenly it all gets more serious - record of an accident to two of the crew:
A serious accident occurred on board.  The chief engineer and H.B. Fenner Chief Asst Eng were working in the chill room of the refrigerating plant, running live steam into the water in the scuttle butt inside the chill room in order to boil out this tank. The heat apparently expanded the ammonia in the coils in the tank causing an explosion. The tank was blown up from the dock, all of the connecting piping was blown in parts, the wall of the ice box was blown out at least a foot and the wall of the inner ice box was blown in slightly. Both men were badly hurt, the Chief Engineer was burned in the feet and legs and slightly on the arms, and was cut on the side of the head, and was almost stunned. Fenner was burned on feet and legs and arms. Prentglau, Asst to Eng 1 cl has just stepped out and while jarred was not hurt. Gotshall, Sea. who assisted in dragging the Chief Engineer out inhaled some ammonia. Chief Engineer Hart and Fenner were rushed to Cramp's Hospital where first aid treatment was given and at 3.30pm were removed to the St Agnes Hospital in charge of the Public Health Service.  The Chief Engineer had inhaled ammonia and his lungs, eyes and mouth were in danger. The ammonia was blown out and the ice machine stopped. An inspector was on board from 2.30pm to 5.00 pm from the York Mfg Co.

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Sadly Chief Engineer Hart died in hospital a few days later:
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And just to complete the story, the following day:
Board of Investigation composed of Peters, H & G Eng, R R Lukens, H & G Eng and Morris, Chief Engineer was in session on board during the morning investigating the causes and results of the accident which occured Friday July 7, 1922.
and:
Chief Engineer Hart's clothes and effects were gathered together, packed and one trunk, one suitcase and one package sent to his home. Valuables as follows were found and returned, to be sent over by an officer. Watch #1426100 with chain; Keyring and keys; Ideal Fountain Pen; $11.00 refund from W.R. Mess; $11.87 found in his clothing; One book of stamps.
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All unbearably poignant - I think I need to go and do something else for a bit .... :'( :'(
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 27 October 2012, 16:39:22
Here's something I've never seen on an RN ship - a list of the books the ship has to help with navigation and so on:

Received the following books & publications: U.S. Coast Pilot - Atlantic Coast - Section C; Light List - Atlantic & Gulf Coasts; Buoy List - Delaware Bay & River; Buoy List - Cape Henlopen - Cape Lookout; Tide Tables - Atlantic Coast 1922; Instructions for painting & cementing vessels; Practical Manual of the Compass #36926; H.O.#71 Azimuths of the Sun; Azimuths of Celestial Bodies; List of Merchant Vessels of the U.S. 1921; Navy Standard Stock Catalogue; U.S.N. Register of officers

By the way, has anyone found an online copy of the U.S.N Register of officers for this period (1922)?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7889_0.jpg

And some more books:
Received the following publications from the Washington Office:1 copy Sigsber's Deep Sea Sounding #36900; 1 Coast Pilot - Atlantic Coast - Section D; 1 Coast Pilot - Puerto Rico & Virgin Is; 1 Coast Pilot - Pacific Coast; 2 Tide Tables - Pacific Coast 1922; 1 Buoy List - Oregon & Washington; 1 Buoy List - California; Two rolls of charts.

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Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 27 October 2012, 17:14:45
And as is only right with all these navigation aids, we're finally on the move!  Not very far mind you, but we maneouvred out in order to have our official picture taken, and then went down the Delaware river, where after mooring somewhere wrong (we were asked to move) we settled into a Pier and the work continued.
As you can probably tell, I am totally hooked on this ship and suspect I've signed on for the duration; there's something about being on from the very start, seeing all the work, the buying of equipment and furniture, and the coming and going of men, which is very engaging .... ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 27 October 2012, 17:32:45
Quote
By the way, has anyone found an online copy of the U.S.N Register of officers for this period (1922)?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7889_0.jpg

No, and I've been looking for some time.  The really wonderful and complete register I found was based on a private book published in 1901 - someone had too much time on his hands and an obsession with detail, and put them to very good use.  The dates are not always accurate, one of our officers was listed as retiring and deceased a couple years before taking command in our logs.  But the names are there.
http://www.history.navy.mil/books/callahan/index.htm

There is a list of 'service medals' given out to ships involved in wars or battles, with a the names of all crew that received them.  But that won't help with our survey ships and many of our ice breakers.
http://www.history.navy.mil/medals/index.html
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 28 October 2012, 16:29:31
Is this a record?  Pioneer today enlisted an Assistant to the Engineer, promoted him one rank, and discharged him at his own request - all in one day!

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Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 28 October 2012, 21:03:28
Now that I know the crew is entirely civilian, this whole process is a completely familiar blue-collar ritual, and has nothing at all to do with military going AWOL, or any failure in the officers' management. 

Factory workers are hired on, very typically, with a 30 day to 6 week probationary period openly in the contract, even when the contract is verbal.  It is not a matter of someone failing to properly judge the workers they hire during the hiring process.  It is a matter of, they don't have to make that judgement at all.  The first few days on the job IS the interview/hiring process.  Any time during the probationary period, either party can say, "no this will not work," and walk away from the deal.  The employer does not have to provide reason, and the worker never has to consider it to be a firing.  The probationary period concept is simply operating successfully. 

All the RN ships had me thinking military, with the commitment made by the crew before they even saw the ship.  When something totally different was happening. 8)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 29 October 2012, 06:23:45
Yes, it is an entirely different mind set - though I guess it's a bit different once you're actually at sea!  A bit difficult to simply walk off the job then - swimming off the job anyone?  As Pioneer has now (finally) set off, I'll be interested to see how the crew settle down when just leaving isn't an option.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 29 October 2012, 12:54:30
Another difference I'm noticing is that supplies all seem to have to be organised by the officers - there is no Navy supplying it all centrally.  When they're in port Pioneer records various officers going ashore every day to explore suppliers of everything they might need, and sometimes to get it and bring it back themselves too.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 29 October 2012, 13:07:04
I think we are also usually dealing with much smaller crews :-\
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 29 October 2012, 13:24:45
Another sad entry in the log:

A card received by Martel Wireless opr, from Miss Alberta Williams, stating that O. J Cobb oiler had died in Philadelphia Marine Hospital at 10.45am Sunday August 13 1922. Office & nearest relation Mrs Sarah Cobb notified by telegraph.

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Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 31 October 2012, 16:00:26
More about health problems, this time typhoid on Pioneer, 18th August 1922

2.35pm Doctor Waller USPH Service came aboard and requested that Benj Edwards Off Steward, J Wells Sh Ck 2 cl and Victor Boykin, Mess ~ be relieved from all duty in connection with handling or preparing food pending investigation as typhoid carriers. These men were instructed to this effect.  4.05pm Doctor Waller left ship.

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And the following day:

8.40am Drs Smith & Armstrong, USPHS aboard to collect date re typhoid innoculations.  9.10am Drs Smith & Armstrong USPHS left ship.  10.25am Dr Armstrong USPHS aboard with specimen cans for samples of crew feces. Cans delivered to each member of crew. 10.40am Dr Armstrong left ship.

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I'm getting that familiar worried feeling when one of your ships seems to be having real health problems ....

The saga continues, August 20th:

10am Drs Smith & Dr Armstrong from U.S. Quarantine Service came aboard to collect specimen cans of crews stools, re typhoid inspection.  10.25am Dr Smith & Dr Armstrong left, having collected specimens from all except one man, Bross, Fireman

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August 21st:

10.40am Sent to hospital at Norfolk: Edwards, Benj. Off. Stwd; Wells, J. Sh Ck 2 cl; Boykin, Victor Mess Att - observation as typhoid carriers.  3.00pm Davision, Sam Sea, injured hand.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7922_0.jpg

Now they're testing the drinking water too ...
2.15pm Doctor Smith USPHS came aboard and took samples of drinking water from scuttlebutt and galley faucets - he left at 2.55pm

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Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 31 October 2012, 18:22:19
that's the real nightmare with a disease like Typhoid...just reclaiming cleanliness is a major task...and having a potential Typhoid Mary like the chap that wouldn't give a sample is undermining in the most worrying way.  :(  ::)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 01 November 2012, 08:02:57
thank you - I don't think I've ever seen 'subsisted' as a verb before!  We've now reached about April 20th and they're preparing to sail for Philadelphia - though they still have no instruments.  I've done over 30 pages, and only one single solitary weather record - a note of wind force ....

I looked ahead to the end of the Apr-July section and there is almost no useful weather information right up to July 22. There is still a lot to transcribe for those interested in the ship.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 04 November 2012, 14:01:26
I think Pioneer may finally have finished all the works and be ready to set off and get working!  It's September 8th 1922:

Men stopped work to prepare bunks, etc for inspection; Mr Reading aboard.  ~.00 Director, U.S. C & G.S, and official party aboard.  ~.45 Secretary of Commerce, H Hoover, and official party aboard.  ~25 Secretary of Commerce, H Hoover, and official party left ship.  ~.00 Director E Lester Jones, U.S. C & G.S. and official party left ship.  ~ Capt Hardy, Capt Lukens and Mr Rogers, Washington Star, left ship.

(The very left hand side of the page is missing which means the times can't be read)

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Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 04 November 2012, 14:57:17
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(The very left hand side of the page is missing which means the times can't be read)

You can cheat and read the hours off the _0 page.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7940_0.jpg

Men stopped work at 3.00
5.
5.
6.
7.
8.

Definitely a full evening social event of the highest order. :)

Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 04 November 2012, 15:46:21
The H. Hoover mentioned above is this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hoover
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 04 November 2012, 18:24:50
The H. Hoover mentioned above is this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hoover

The ship definitely got a big send-off. :)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 05 November 2012, 09:57:48
Thanks for confirming that - the name had struck me, and I'd wondered.  Definitely a big deal all round.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 06 November 2012, 17:31:48
Well, having thought a week ago that Pioneer was all ready to set sail and get surveying, in fact it's only just happened.  The ship was taken over from the Navy on April 8th, and at last, on September 24th, we have set sail for Panama - presumably for the canal and the west coast.  Suddenly there are no more crew members deciding to leave, or going AWOL - just lots of weather.  I hope none of them are regretting signing up ....

P.S. Especially as one of the log keepers has just recorded 'cross seas'!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 08 November 2012, 17:31:27
Oops!  It's October 1st 1922, and -

No log books on hand to start new quarter. Requisition on office never filled.  R. R. Lukens

Given how many orders they carefully recorded having received over the last few months, it's a bit of an oversight to set off to Panama without a spare log book in the cupboard .... :o

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Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kathy on 14 November 2012, 21:01:38
Let me just say, these curved log pages are for the birds!  Is the whole log book this way?  :o
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 14 November 2012, 21:44:58
All of these earlier log books are part of the scanners' learning curve.  They've gotten professional operators and better equipment since then, so we just need to get done with the start-up books.

See Patterson, if you want a curve to complain of. ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kathy on 15 November 2012, 14:16:02
Is there some way to get these curved (I saw that, Janet  ;D ) scans redone?  It might be just me, but I'm have a really hard time doing the pages here on the Pioneer -
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 15 November 2012, 15:46:20
I do Patterson by tracing with a finger to follow the whole curve before starting to type it.  Somehow, once my mind has seen the physical path traced, I don't have trouble following it.

A whole lot of this first batch of logs were done on "archaic" machines (Kevin's description) that are never being used again.  We've seen this before in the RN logs, a whole batch with one-time problems.  Please, if they bother you, go on to ships you like.  If we as a group could finish Grafton in order to get new ships, then Pioneer will also eventually be done.  By a group offering each other support.  Don't burn yourself out on it.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 15 November 2012, 16:23:25
Is there some way to get these curved (I saw that, Janet  ;D ) scans redone?  It might be just me, but I'm have a really hard time doing the pages here on the Pioneer -

They do get better, and it doesn't take all that long.  I can't remember exactly when but I'm only in October, and I think it's been better for a while (either that or I've got used to it ....)  Now I only tend to get somewhat slanted entries at the bottom of the page.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 15 November 2012, 21:43:10
Is there some way to get these curved (I saw that, Janet  ;D ) scans redone?  It might be just me, but I'm have a really hard time doing the pages here on the Pioneer -

I will be with you in a few months on those pages. Hope they have been re-scanned by then.  ;)

Flitting back and forth between Concord & the Pioneer (just finished my first Pioneer log book -> 1 July)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 15 November 2012, 21:53:55
Pioneer Log book details.
8 April -> 1 July 1922.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%201%20-%20April-July,%201922/IMG_7776_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%201%20-%20April-July,%201922/IMG_7776_1.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%201%20-%20April-July,%201922/IMG_7777_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%201%20-%20April-July,%201922/IMG_7777_0.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%201%20-%20April-July,%201922/IMG_7777_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%201%20-%20April-July,%201922/IMG_7777_1.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%201%20-%20April-July,%201922/IMG_7778_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%201%20-%20April-July,%201922/IMG_7778_0.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%201%20-%20April-July,%201922/IMG_7778_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%201%20-%20April-July,%201922/IMG_7778_1.jpg)

1 July -> Oct 13 1922.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7867_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7867_1.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7868_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7868_0.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7868_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7868_1.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7869_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7869_0.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7869_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7869_1.jpg)


http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%203%20-%20October-December,%201922/IMG_7980_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%203%20-%20October-December,%201922/IMG_7980_0.jpg)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 15 November 2012, 23:40:00
I have finished log book April -> July.

HelenJ
I will add Oct - Dec officers to the listings. (later)
Will you do the crew changes for the log book you are doing Oct -> Dec?
I will do crew changes July -> Oct when I get back from Concord.
Stuart.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 16 November 2012, 01:01:47
I think this is Franz E. Okeson - according to Ancestry.com, in 1929 he was a Navigator living in Baltimore.  His WWI draft registration card says he's a navigator working for the USA Dept. of Commerce.  Born in Sweden 1878, married to Alvina.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 16 November 2012, 14:41:41
I have finished log book April -> July.

HelenJ
I will add Oct - Dec officers to the listings. (later)
Will you do the crew changes for the log book you are doing Oct -> Dec?
I will do crew changes July -> Oct when I get back from Concord.
Stuart.

Stuart, can you clarify what you mean by 'doing the crew changes'?  Do you mean recording them when they come up, or posting them here (or elsewhere?), or something else?
At the moment, sadly, I don't have a lot of time for OW (college taking up a lot of time and most of my brain cells) so am trying not to do anything much more than straight transcribing.  But I would certainly record any changes in crew in the transcriptions themselves.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 16 November 2012, 15:51:03
Good luck at college, I have recently retired from teaching at one.

Did you say you have, or will record them in the transcriptions?
If you have been recording them them, I will stop transcribing them and just record them on the crew list page.
If not, please advise what date you will start from and I will continue up to that date.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 16 November 2012, 15:55:07
Thanks for the clarification Stuart - I have been recording them from the start in the transcriptions, and will continue to do so.  Now that they've set sail the number of comings and goings has dropped dramatically, which makes it a much easier job.  It's a bit difficult to decide you don't fancy the job any more in the middle of the ocean!
So if you can keep the crew list page up to date, I think we'll have it all covered between us.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 16 November 2012, 16:41:58
Roger Wilko.
Sunscreen and beach towel packed and waiting.  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 16 November 2012, 17:00:52
 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 November 2012, 17:02:25
George Carlson shipped as Seaman on 12th October 1922

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7974_0.jpg
--- he doesn't seem to be in your list
--- is this link saved somewhere?

Here's the list of officers for October 14 to December 31 1922 - it looks pretty much like the one from the previous book:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%203%20-%20October-December,%201922/IMG_7980_0.jpg
--- is this link saved somewhere?
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 16 November 2012, 17:12:28
Pioneer starts to record weather again (well sort of) 10 July 1922.   :)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kathy on 16 November 2012, 19:16:17
I'm having a really hard time transcribing the Events of the Day for those pages with no weather data because of the curve of the page.  I don't know why that is so hard for me to deal with, but it is.  I'm happy to continue to process the pages with no weather, but I'm wondering if it is ok if I stop trying to transcribe the Events page?  I am assuming between Stuart and Helen, these pages are pretty well covered.  I'll pick up transcribing them when the curvature of the page decreases - is everyone agreeable to my plan?
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 November 2012, 19:19:46
All events are optional ;)
and, they only need to be transcribed once.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 16 November 2012, 19:23:34
All events are optional ;)
and, they only need to be transcribed once.

Definitely!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 16 November 2012, 22:07:36
I agree they only need transcribing once , BUT how do we know when that has been done?
My excerpts may be different from others.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 November 2012, 06:47:51
More is never wasted. :)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 17 November 2012, 07:30:08
I've been transcribing events pretty selectively - any crew leaving or joining (although on Pioneer they have usually been recorded on the weather page) and major events during their fitting out such as being visited by Hoover and various other bigwigs.  I haven't recorded all the comings and goings to collect things from the dockyard etc in the main, although now and again I've done some of that just to give a flavour of life on board.
Once she's set sail the events page is pretty much all records of when they've stopped to do a bit of surveying, which I haven't been recording, the weather during the watch (which given there are hourly weather records I'm not recording) and very occasional mentions of repairs/maintenance or other events, which I'm deciding about on a case by case basis.
Given my limited time at present, I'm really focussing on the weather records, though I am always looking at the events page as well, not just clicking through it.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 November 2012, 11:13:20
When I was doing sloop Torch, on the trips when she was depending on a full suite of sails, I very quickly stopped transcribing them but always read them carefully.  It taught me a lot about how the wind force numbers related to the nuts and bolts of sailing ships.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 17 November 2012, 16:12:40
Is this a record?  Pioneer today enlisted an Assistant to the Engineer, promoted him one rank, and discharged him at his own request - all in one day!

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7909_0.jpg

1.  Just arrived at this page.
Earlier there was an Enlistment and discharged after 5 hrs work (but no promotion). You are still winning.  :D

2.  Would you call 'Alongside Cramps shipyard, Philadelphia,  Pa.'  a Place or Port ? I have called it a Place BUT
At Cramps Dry Dock, Philadelphia,  Pa.  a Port.
How does the system process Place and Port?
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 17 November 2012, 16:48:04
I think I made all those sort of entries a Port, on the grounds that if there's a shipyard it's obviously a place where plenty of ships go - not at all scientific, but that was my reason!
I've used Place for something like 'At sea enroute from Balboa CZ to San Diego Cal' which is where we are at the moment.  There's also a lat/long most days now though, so I suspect it matters less.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 November 2012, 17:02:07
Quote
2.  Would you call 'Alongside Cramps shipyard, Philadelphia,  Pa.'  a Place or Port ? I have called it a Place BUT
At Cramps Dry Dock, Philadelphia,  Pa.  a Port.
How does the system process Place and Port?

At the moment, you can include context with place names but not with port names.

'Alongside Cramps shipyard, Philadelphia,  Pa.' would indeed be a Place.
'Cramps Dry Dock, Philadelphia,  Pa.' is a Port --- but you should not include 'At'

'Anchored at Philadelphia,  Pa.' would be transcribed as Port Name = Philadelphia,  Pa.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 17 November 2012, 17:04:26
Sounds good to me.
Often wondered. The actual Cramps shipyard and drydock are some distance away from Philli it self and a drydock is usually in a shipyard which does not have to be in a port as such.
Navy yard Brooklyn I usually list as Port.

OK. so shall it be from now on.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 17 November 2012, 17:17:49
Clocks set to 75th Meridian Standard Time. 11 Aug 1922.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 17 November 2012, 17:24:39
Helen
You have described the 'Typhoid' episode in Aug in this post.
Can I assume you have entered it in the log?
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 18 November 2012, 11:29:40
Yes, anything posted here has been transcribed - it's usually how I do those stories - transcribe, copy, post ...
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 24 November 2012, 14:34:55
Possibly another record - Wm E Wood enlisted on 13th November 1922 in San Diego, and was declared a deserter on 15th November .... He must have gone AWOL almost as soon as he arrived.  I wonder whether they were paid some kind of 'golden hello' on signing up?
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 24 November 2012, 19:30:14
Possibly another record - Wm E Wood enlisted on 13th November 1922 in San Diego, and was declared a deserter on 15th November .... He must have gone AWOL almost as soon as he arrived.  I wonder whether they were paid some kind of 'golden hello' on signing up?

No relation.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 November 2012, 19:51:59
 ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 24 November 2012, 22:18:26
Possibly another record - Wm E Wood enlisted on 13th November 1922 in San Diego, and was declared a deserter on 15th November .... He must have gone AWOL almost as soon as he arrived.  I wonder whether they were paid some kind of 'golden hello' on signing up?

No relation.

I never doubted that, Kevin. ;D

If they were expected to buy their own uniforms, a 'golden hello' would probably have been necessary.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kathy on 29 November 2012, 12:17:23
ok - I have reached the pages with weather reports - can someone please check and see if the pages with no weather reports are finished?  Hopefully, I was the 3rd transcriber for all of the ones that where not previously looked at.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 29 November 2012, 21:18:14
Hi Kathy,
I've not been on Pioneer before - I got this page for a start (records of misc for 24th April). http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%201%20-%20April-July,%201922/IMG_7795_1.jpg
No weather on 25th April page. http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%201%20-%20April-July,%201922/IMG_7796_0.jpg

There don't appear to be any obs to the end of the log on 1st July.
Hope this is helpful.
Must head for bed now though...zed time....
J 8)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 01 December 2012, 12:38:24
Oops - someone not paying attention.  13th December 1922:

10.00am Whaleboat left ship for land with 4 seamen. 11.00am Due to tide going out whaleboat was left high & dry. 11.40am Mr Reading, 3 seamen went in motorsailer to get the 4 seamen aboard. 12.10pm Motorsailer returned with whaleboat crew. 3.55pm Mr Reading, 5 seamen left to get the whaleboat. 4.15pm Motorsailer returned with whaleboat.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%203%20-%20October-December,%201922/IMG_8045_1.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 01 December 2012, 13:25:20
Yup - that was certainly a '13th' special! ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 01 December 2012, 13:34:05
And the following day they began by going back to pick up some tools they'd left on the beach .... !
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 01 December 2012, 17:28:12
 ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 02 December 2012, 17:03:26
Oh well, better high & dry than floated away on the rising tide (which lifts all boats)...
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 02 December 2012, 17:25:52
Oh well, better high & dry than floated away on the rising tide (which lifts all boats)...

Their cost in materials was zero (grounded boats being floatable.)  I wish I was a fly on the wall, listening to their lower deck mateys commenting on all the extra work they engendered.  They'll probably be hearing about this for months. ;D


Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 05 December 2012, 23:22:59
Here's an event to watch for when we get to the 1933 logs:

(http://www.photolib.noaa.gov/700s/theb3161.jpg)
"Boat in shore break in channel islands after getting caught in the surf. Boat off the PIONEER."
Credit: Family of Captain John Ellerbee, C&GS
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 12 December 2012, 14:40:05
Very unpleasant accident on board on 16 January 1923:

Napoleon Christ Fireman; at about 9.15am this day, while handling a heavy anvil with Theo Prenglau Eng 2 cl had the bones of the middle finger of his left hand badly smashed - when laying anvil down after Prenglau had set his end down the anvil slipped catching Christ's finger between the anvil and combing - wound dressed as well as possible with equipment on hand.  O.S.R.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%204%20-%20January-March,%201923/IMG_8087_0.jpg

Glad to report he was sent to hospital on the following day:

Napoleon Christ fir. 1cl, sent to Marine Hospital for treatment to smashed 4th finger on left hand.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%204%20-%20January-March,%201923/IMG_8088_0.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 15 December 2012, 13:08:01
Another failure of Pioneer's recruitment ....

Henson, F. S. Seaman, left ship with manifest intention to desert this day.

I'd love to know how his 'manifest intention' was shown!

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%204%20-%20January-March,%201923/IMG_8105_0.jpg

And another one the following day:
Dolan, Timothy, Seaman, absent with manifest intention to desert declared deserter

And there were two other crew members recorded as AWOL.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%204%20-%20January-March,%201923/IMG_8106_0.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 15 December 2012, 14:04:02
The curse of the Pioneer on crews' fingers continues:

John McGlynn, Bosn/ch caught middle finger of right hand in block while clearing same preparatory to hoisting port motorsailer.  Flesh of finger was badly torn with possible injury to bone.  Finger dressed with material from medicine locker.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%204%20-%20January-March,%201923/IMG_8108_1.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 15 December 2012, 14:55:50
Another failure of Pioneer's recruitment ....

Henson, F. S. Seaman, left ship with manifest intention to desert this day.

I'd love to know how his 'manifest intention' was shown!

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%204%20-%20January-March,%201923/IMG_8105_0.jpg

And another one the following day:
Dolan, Timothy, Seaman, absent with manifest intention to desert declared deserter

And there were two other crew members recorded as AWOL.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%204%20-%20January-March,%201923/IMG_8106_0.jpg

That's as simple as seeing if they've packed and are carrying their all in their duffel bag when caught - or checking their cubbyhole finding everything gone.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 15 December 2012, 16:12:26
I expect that it's in reality - I just enjoyed imagining something a bit more dramatic ....   ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 15 December 2012, 17:28:03
what's going on with the crew   ???
I am doing Rodgers at the moment and they are still deserting.   :-[
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 16 December 2012, 20:20:47
Stuart - what's gone wrong - I left the Rodgers a bunch of love-lorn sailors to whom every foul tempest was written up as 'pleasant' weather. Are they all going up the Yukon to see if there's any gold in them there hills still?  :o :-\
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 17 December 2012, 14:40:03
This never happened on RN ships:

11.45am American Express wagon called for three boxes of water samples sent to Schripps Institute - C.O.D.

They're in San Francisco - lucky people.  :D

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%204%20-%20January-March,%201923/IMG_8125_1.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 December 2012, 15:01:47
Your log keeper can't spell.  That would be the Scripps Institution of Oceanography (http://sio.ucsd.edu/About/Scripps_Overview/History/)

It's nice that the ship doesn't need the cash to pay for the shipping. :)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 17 December 2012, 15:47:17
It has been Scripps in the past, and I'm having to steel myself to TWIS when it comes out in various odd spellings ....   Presumably if they want the water samples, they're going to have to pay for them!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 21 December 2012, 04:33:27
Jeepers Stuart!  :o    That's some list...very organized - unlike the crew!  ;D

Thanks Joan. See also Concord, but blame 'propriome'   (Matteo) he set the standard, now we all have to follow.  ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 21 December 2012, 14:41:35
Dimensions of vessel, April to June 1923:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%205%20-%20April-June,%201923/IMG_8166_1.jpg

Bizarrely, it seems to have shrunk by 6 inches in one dimension ...
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 21 December 2012, 15:25:20
"Bizarrely, it seems to have shrunk by 6 inches in one dimension ..."

Well you know how things shrink when they get wet.  ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 21 December 2012, 15:32:39
They must have gotten themselves into some hot water ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 22 December 2012, 17:50:53
Beware when entering temps, LEAVE A SPACE between the Dry and Water entries.
(I have just corrected over 350 entries where I entered the temps next to each other.  :-[  )

This is the first ship I have done where they regularly enter the water temp even in port. also looks like they do not have a wet bulb.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 22 December 2012, 18:05:14
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3234.msg52610#msg52610

Quote
Weather Page:
Example: http://imageshack.us/a/img850/7796/uscsexample.jpg

The written details are transcribed as follows, though the page you are working on will not display a grid in this way. Note that the order of the columns in the log does not match the order of the columns on the Weather Observation tab. Note also that the data in some columns is not transcribed and that some logs do not have all the columns included on the Weather Observation tab, so, before clicking OK, check that your data is in the correct fields. It is more important to be accurate than to be fast. Only transcribe what is written. Ask on the forum for handwriting help if unsure.

Quote
Location | Port Name | Name = Uyak Bay, Kodiak Id.
Date = 28/04/1925


Hour |Wind Dir |Force |Bar Height |Ther Attached |Dry  |Wet  |Water |Weather Code |Cloud Code |Clear Sky |
1E129.403633bc
4NW129.423633bc
5-029.423533bc
6ENE0-129.423633bc
7NE2-329.443633bc
8NNE329.443735bc
9"4.453937bc
10"4.444239bc
11"4.434441bc
12"4.434542bc
1SSW2.464844bc
2SSW1.464844bc
3SSW1.464844bc
4SSW1.464642bc
5N129.424137bc
6"129.424137b
7"129.423836bc
8"229.423633bc
9WNW429.423431
10WNW3.413129snow
11"3.413029snow
12Calm0.423029snow
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 22 December 2012, 20:57:02
Yes, I did look that up, and then forgot later on.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 13 January 2013, 01:44:20
This came from Kevin this evening, by email. :)

Quote
Hi Janet & Gordon -

Here is a great photo of the Pioneer digging into a head sea. It was donated to our library in Seattle last week by the grandson of Capt. Alfred M. Sobieralski (USCS) - one of a collection of 36 pictures dating from the 19-teens on.

Kevin

(https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/myalbum/thumbnail/photo62/2c/9c/966aecae4004__1358056074000.jpg?tw=0&th=720&s=true&nocache=1358055792221&rs=false)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 13 January 2013, 06:29:49
That certainly makes some of the log entries more vivid!  Thanks very much for posting it, Kevin and Janet.  (I will get back to Pioneer one of these days, promise - when my guilt about neglecting her overtakes my guilt about not getting on with editing Andes ....  ;D)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 25 January 2013, 07:54:54
Another case of a deserter:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%203%20-%20October-December,%201922/IMG_8034_1.jpg
One crew sent to hospital, another discharged:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%203%20-%20October-December,%201922/IMG_8041_0.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 25 January 2013, 17:23:44
As I seem to have inherited the crew list for this ship (even though I am doing others) can you please PM me with crew changes as I do not often look a this page.
Ta.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kathy on 01 March 2013, 14:10:11
Big doings on the Pioneer on 8 Sept. 1922:

The Director of the US C&GS, E. Lester Jones, and also Herbert Hoover, Secretary of Commerce, along with other assorted Captains, and a reporter from the Washington Star, Mr. Rogers, came on board for lunch.

The Pioneer is currently docked at the Lighthouse Dock, or Lighthouse Pier, or Lighthouse Wharf, depending on who is doing the log book  ;D, which is actually not too far from my house.  I'm going to see if I can talk my hubby into going to Fort Washington, which is where the dock/pier/wharf is (I think it is still there, because there is still a marina there).  There was a lighthouse there, but it is gone, alas.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 01 March 2013, 20:47:52
Ooooo -have fun Kathy (I bet he's persuadable!)
J ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kathy on 03 March 2013, 22:30:41
Well, the weather insured we would not make the trip this weekend after all - it will need to wait for warmer temps -
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 04 March 2013, 04:04:49
 :'( never mind..spring is just round the corner....
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 20 March 2013, 16:49:36
Please would a crew member volunteer to take over the crew list. I am busy with the Concord and do not read this thread.
It is not a hard job, this crew don't desert as often as mine.  ;D
Thanks
Stuart.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 29 October 2013, 16:10:00
Hanibal94 passes the 25,000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 30 October 2013, 13:35:04
Thanks, but I fear that will be all for some time.
I've been working on the Cell Slider (http://www.cellslider.net/) project for quite a while now,
because it's much quicker (5 pictures per minute rather than 5 minutes per page!), and because it's about fighting cancer.
There was also a post in the Daily Zooniverse recently for that project's 1st birthday saying it is "just over 50% complete", which is great because the progress checker doesn't keep track of % complete - it only shows the number of pictures done (currently 1.8 million, meaning the total is about 3.5 million), so that message was a great motivator.
So my plan is to keep on fighting cancer until Cell Slider is done (hopefully in one year) and then return to the Pioneer.
I'll still be hanging around the forums of course, playing the word games and updating my guestimations on Saturdays.

So long, fellow sailors, and please do not despair - for I will return. I promise.

Captain Hanibal94
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 30 October 2013, 16:14:49
Enjoy the break and don't forget the OW url.
Stuart.

(Looked at Cell slider and did not feel confident in my judgement.)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 30 October 2013, 19:00:32
Don't forget us, please Hanibal, the forum is always open.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: T-M on 03 November 2013, 08:11:53
I have two corrections to the crew list, and I hope it's OK to post them here:

Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 November 2013, 08:43:55
If I understand correctly, that's what Pommy Stuart suggested - I will send him a PM to be sure.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 November 2013, 09:08:47
T-M
welcome to the top 12 !
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 November 2013, 09:11:39
Keep in mind:
The order of the columns in the log does not match the order of the columns on the Weather Observation tab.
The date should be entered where it appears on the first page (the weather page).

Pioneer -- Reference: Transcription Example and Log Description (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3234.msg52610#msg52610)

 ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: T-M on 03 November 2013, 09:27:33
Yes, that's what I'm doing. Did I forget it somewhere?
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 November 2013, 10:31:06
Sorry! :-[
It was just a reminder ;)

(Unless you give me a link, I cannot look what you have done.)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: T-M on 03 November 2013, 10:51:56
No problem!

I think it's quite easy to get used to the different order.

And besides that the log is quite easy to read (compared to some other logs).

So I don't know why this is marked "recommended only for experienced transcribers". For me, some of the standard format logs are harder to read.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 November 2013, 11:06:32
It is always hard to tell how other people will judge the same log, and a change in log books or the log keeper can make any comment invalid ::) ;D

Please vote in the poll if you haven't already ;)

(I have seen a few log keepers with writing so bad that we could submit their entries to the Ancient Lives project with no one the wiser!)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 November 2013, 16:38:40
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%204%20-%20January-March,%201923/IMG_8087_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%204%20-%20January-March,%201923/IMG_8087_1.jpg

Re: Mr Bond and 6 men triangulation at Δ Rest and Mr Reading and 6 men triangulation at Δ Peak

...

I searched the NGS database, and I think I found both points on San Clemente Island the crew of the Pioneer was triangulating to:

http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/ds_mark.prl?PidBox=TZ1926
http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/ds_mark.prl?PidBox=TZ1902

Not only the names fit, both where recovered by the USC&GS in 1923, the year the log page is from. And for both points the recovery notes of 1923 are from "RRL", which is probably R. R. Lukens, who was the commanding officer at this date (as seen in the log page).

It's really interesting to see these connections 90 years later. :)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: T-M on 03 November 2013, 17:50:22
Thanks for posting this here! :)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 18 November 2013, 15:01:16
Hello everybody,

I have changed my mind about doing nothing but Cell Slider. That goal may have been noble, but it is also practically impossible because of the monotony and the lack of a forum, of community.
So from now on, I will do Cell Slider for at least 10 minutes each day, but I will also work on OW if I have more time (at least 20 minutes).
I will start by finishing the Pioneer, and I do hope someone can join me.

Regards,

Captain Hanibal94
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 November 2013, 15:07:37
 :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

T-M is your eager new Lieutenant ;D

Maybe Helen will come back - do you have an opening for a chaplain? ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 18 November 2013, 15:31:14
:-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

T-M is your eager new Lieutenant ;D

Maybe Helen will come back - do you have an opening for a chaplain? ;)

Anybody who follows my 10 rules is welcome:

1. No trying to steal my captaincy.
2. Make sure to transcribe all the weather data. ALL OF IT! (Events are optional. I don't do them).
3 -10. No more rules.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 18 November 2013, 15:35:44

Anybody who follows my 10 rules is welcome:

1. No trying to steal my captaincy.

That would be a fun challenge

If only I didn't have 11 more books to get through on the Patterson  :-\
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 18 November 2013, 16:12:38
Once I've finished editing Minerva, I promise I'll start dividing my time between transcribing and editing; I've been feeling guilty about abandoning Pioneer.  You sound like the right kind of captain, and given that you're about 20,000 ahead of me I don't think I'll be any risk to your captaincy!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 November 2013, 16:26:05
 :-* ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: T-M on 18 November 2013, 18:06:50
1. No trying to steal my captaincy.

419 done, only 24967 left. I think I could do this in not more than 5 years. So watch out! ;D

2. Make sure to transcribe all the weather data. ALL OF IT! (Events are optional. I don't do them).

Yes, Sir! ;) I transcribe all of the weather data and some of the more boring events, as nobody else would transcribe them. ;)

3 -10. No more rules.

OK, I think I will remember at least 70 % of the rules. ;D

PS: I tried Cell Slider once, but for me the cells look all the same. :-[
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 19 November 2013, 15:05:45

Anybody who follows my 10 rules is welcome:

1. No trying to steal my captaincy.

That would be a fun challenge

If only I didn't have 11 more books to get through on the Patterson  :-\

You're doing great, asterix. Keep it up!
I might try out the Patterson one day - but first I must finish what I have already started: Pioneer, Bear, Unalga (in that order).

Once I've finished editing Minerva, I promise I'll start dividing my time between transcribing and editing; I've been feeling guilty about abandoning Pioneer.  You sound like the right kind of captain, and given that you're about 20,000 ahead of me I don't think I'll be any risk to your captaincy!

Go ahead and finish the Minerva, but then please do come back on board. I do like having you as second-in-command.

1. No trying to steal my captaincy.

419 done, only 24967 left. I think I could do this in not more than 5 years. So watch out! ;D

2. Make sure to transcribe all the weather data. ALL OF IT! (Events are optional. I don't do them).

Yes, Sir! ;) I transcribe all of the weather data and some of the more boring events, as nobody else would transcribe them. ;)

3 -10. No more rules.

OK, I think I will remember at least 70 % of the rules. ;D

PS: I tried Cell Slider once, but for me the cells look all the same. :-[

Seems like you know all you need to know, Lieutenant T-M.
But are you REALLY sure you can't go any faster? I got to work 8 hours a day and play my new Batman computer game for at least 1 hour a day, and I still find plenty of time for OW.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 21 November 2013, 03:06:31
Found something interesting about problems with the fathometer:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2029%20-%20April-June,%201929/IMG_0613_1.jpg

EDIT: It appears the sonic motor generator needs fixing as well:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2029%20-%20April-June,%201929/IMG_0614_1.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 21 November 2013, 03:16:41
 8)

Quote
By 1925 Submarine Signal Corporation was producing improved echo-sounding devices called fathometers.
Echo Sounding (1923-1945) (http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/history/electronic/electronic.html)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 21 November 2013, 03:43:19
And here's something about a fire in the radio shack:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2029%20-%20April-June,%201929/IMG_0626_1.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 21 November 2013, 15:29:30
T-M passes the 500 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: T-M on 21 November 2013, 20:36:22
Seems like you know all you need to know, Lieutenant T-M.
But are you REALLY sure you can't go any faster? I got to work 8 hours a day and play my new Batman computer game for at least 1 hour a day, and I still find plenty of time for OW.

I have to admit that Old Weather isn't the only project of Zooniverse I'm participating in. And most of the time I spend with Notes from Nature, so Old Weather is only project number two for me.

An than there's this nasty habit of mine. It's called "real life". ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 22 November 2013, 00:28:57
Sounds like a fair division of labor, T-M!!  Good for the long haul.   ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 22 November 2013, 02:41:42
Well, I must admit I divide my labor too - I do some work on Cell Slider every now and then, because doing 24 WR/day pages for too long wears my brain out.
Although I must admit, I did try Notes from Nature out once and it does look rather appealing.....
But I promised to finish the Pioneer.....
*Sigh* There's just too much science and not enough time!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 04 December 2013, 09:52:27
After over 3 months in port, the Pioneer has set sail for Hawaii.
Not sure what to say - I'm happy to see she's doing something, but it's a long voyage, and I know it's gonna  be 24 WR per day, every day, until she gets there.
This will take some time - but the ship has just hit 25% complete! Now is not the time for giving up!
Full sail ahead!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 04 December 2013, 11:43:10
Just think of the reception you'll get from the pretty young ladies when you arrive in Hawii, Hanibal  :D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 04 December 2013, 11:56:15
And arrived I have! It only took 10 days (March 31st - April 9th, 1930).
Time for ham and pineapples!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 04 December 2013, 12:39:53
You may need your sunglasses again ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 04 December 2013, 14:21:43
OK, I got 'em.
This is so much better than the frozen North.  8)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 04 December 2013, 16:46:06
 ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 06 December 2013, 03:54:11
The logkeeper seems to be adding extra bits of data - once per day, the surface temperature is noted.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2033%20-%20April-June,%201930/IMG_1028_0.jpg

What should I do? I've been transcribing it as "Event: other" until now, because I think if this was the water temperature, they would have just put it in the proper column. They also seem to be using Celsius, even though the air temperature is given in Fahrenheit.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 06 December 2013, 05:27:29
It looks pretty much like surface water temp in Celsius to me.  It seemed to be mixed in with the patent log readings a few days before, although it was clearly identified as surface temp.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 06 December 2013, 08:00:29
The logkeeper seems to be adding extra bits of data - once per day, the surface temperature is noted.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2033%20-%20April-June,%201930/IMG_1028_0.jpg

What should I do? I've been transcribing it as "Event: other" until now, because I think if this was the water temperature, they would have just put it in the proper column. They also seem to be using Celsius, even though the air temperature is given in Fahrenheit.

Definitely Celsius - your example is labeled "C".  My instinct says your events are good, I think I'd have put in the readings box.  But I'm not sure so I asked Philip and Kevin.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 06 December 2013, 08:21:07
Philip has already given us the OK to put weather readings from the Remarks into the Weather tab. He will probably figure out that it's in Celsius.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 06 December 2013, 09:15:33
I think event:other is exactly right - it's definitely interesting, but we don't know exactly what they are measuring.

Philip

The logkeeper seems to be adding extra bits of data - once per day, the surface temperature is noted.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2033%20-%20April-June,%201930/IMG_1028_0.jpg

What should I do? I've been transcribing it as "Event: other" until now, because I think if this was the water temperature, they would have just put it in the proper column. They also seem to be using Celsius, even though the air temperature is given in Fahrenheit.

I'm not sure what to answer. 

Janet
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 06 December 2013, 09:37:59
Thanks! Event:other it is.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 06 December 2013, 17:57:23
Hanibal94 passes the 30,000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 06 December 2013, 18:01:49
Actually, it was a few days ago.
The ship itself also hit 25% complete.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 06 December 2013, 18:13:58
jasony23
welcome to the top 12 !
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 09 December 2013, 05:49:51
The buoys we're picking up have interesting names: Boy, Fin and Lot (I think that's what they're called, I can't read the handwriting so well)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2034%20-%20July-September,%201930/IMG_1058_1.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 09 December 2013, 11:40:22
I think that is 'Got' not 'Lot'.  Wonder if they drop them in sequence so as to create a sentence - "Boy Got Fin" or "Fin Got Boy".
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 December 2013, 14:10:47
I agree - look at the G in "Weather Gentle"
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 09 December 2013, 14:54:45
You're right. Now I can see it is Got. There was also one called "Egg":
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2034%20-%20July-September,%201930/IMG_1065_1.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 December 2013, 14:59:41
Don't get the Egg too close to the Fire ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 10 December 2013, 08:11:17
Here's something interesting: In the middle of the night, somebody spots "what appears to be a rocket" off starboard bow, and they search for a few hours and find nothing (It was August 19th, 1930, just after leaving Laysan Island, Hawaii)

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2034%20-%20July-September,%201930/IMG_1107_1.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 10 December 2013, 09:51:02
Any sense of what the buoys are used for?
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: propriome on 10 December 2013, 10:23:16
Those buoy names seems pretty interesting...

Nowaday they would be probably mentioned as Bravo, Echo, Foxtrot and Golf.
In 1941 (see http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq101-1.htm) Baker, Easy, Fox and George.

Before WWII standards were not so strict... "Boy" was used 1913 through 1927... Egg, Fin and Got sounds pretty odd.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 10 December 2013, 10:53:51
That's what I was thinking, propriome. It does sound rather odd, but perhaps that's just the way they did it.
No idea what they're being used for.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 10 December 2013, 15:02:57
These buoys appear to be for triangulation reference according to the Coast Survey technical manual of 1920. Also found this handy volume on chart-making on line - it has pictures of surveying marks on the Yukon River bar and other cool stuff:

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/44175/44175-h/44175-h.htm#Page_49
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 10 December 2013, 15:24:29
 8)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 11 December 2013, 04:38:04
There's another one called "Kor":
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2035%20-%20October-December,%201930/IMG_1174_1.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 11 December 2013, 09:24:18
Here's something nice: "Recieved 8 quarts ice cream from Service Cold Storage" (It may be November, but this is Hawaii!)

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2035%20-%20October-December,%201930/IMG_1215_0.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 11 December 2013, 12:03:19
Bet they never had to arrange cold storage on board, the ice cream vanished shortly after arrival. ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 12 December 2013, 03:10:37
Event page for Christmas Day, 1930: "Holiday observed by all officers and 2/3 of crew"
It certainly wasn't a white Christmas, though - temperatures were above 70 F all day long.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2035%20-%20October-December,%201930/IMG_1243_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2035%20-%20October-December,%201930/IMG_1243_1.jpg

EDIT: New Year's Day was observed as well.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2036%20-%20January-March,%201931/IMG_1256_1.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 12 December 2013, 09:17:58
VERY IMPORTANT  - PLEASE READ

Pommy Stuart is no longer responsible for keeping track of the crew list. (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4041.0) This is now my job.
If you find anything other than the officer's lists at the beginning of each logbook, please PM it to me. I don't keep track of the ordinary crew changes, partly due to a lack of patience for bad handwriting, and partly because I'm more interested in the science than in the history.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 14 December 2013, 06:06:03
Another buoy is mentioned - this one is called Able.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2037%20-%20April-June,%201931/IMG_1439_1.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 14 December 2013, 09:35:27
They celebrated Independence Day:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2038%20-%20July-September,%201931/IMG_1458_1.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 22 December 2013, 16:10:43
helenj passes the 3000 mark!
Welcome back on board!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 22 December 2013, 16:55:46
helenj passes the 3000 mark!
Welcome back on board!

Thank you - it's been a long time!  I'm planning to divide my time now between transcribing and editing.  I don't think hanibal needs to worry about the captaincy though ....
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 23 December 2013, 07:21:33
helenj passes the 3000 mark!
Welcome back on board!

Thank you - it's been a long time!  I'm planning to divide my time now between transcribing and editing.  I don't think hanibal needs to worry about the captaincy though ....

I don't need to worry about my captaincy, unless Silvia or leelaht decides to join - those two are pretty much the only ones who have any chance of beating me.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 23 December 2013, 08:05:43
I am intentionally holding back to allow you some glory, Hanibal   :P ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 23 December 2013, 08:56:21
What are you talking about, Craig? You're not on the Pioneer.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 23 December 2013, 09:30:14
I could have been   :D :D :D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 27 December 2013, 14:47:25
Hanibal94 passes the 40,000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 29 December 2013, 14:08:30
Congratulations Cap'n!  And our ship has reached 30% complete.

An interesting log entry, from 16th June 1923:

Ship anchored in stream to permit C.G.C. Mojave to tie up to dock for convenience of Admiral Chase and staff  who were onboard. The Mojave arrived at 5.45.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%205%20-%20April-June,%201923/IMG_8243_1.jpg

And here's a picture of the wonderfully named Jehu Valentine Chase.

Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 31 December 2013, 16:36:19
Bad behaviour on board .... 13th July 1923:

E Stout - WO Opr 1c not on board when ship got under way.  He returned to ship in evening after coming alongside the dock, had gone ashore in launch at 11.30 previous night, without permisson. Docked one day's pay and rations.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%206%20-%20July-September,%201923/IMG_8276_1.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 03 January 2014, 14:38:31
Anyone know why 10th August 1918 might have been observed as a day of mourning on board Pioneer?  "Received radiography from director ordering Aug. 10 to be observed as day of mourning."  I've looked at Wiki's list of anniversaries, but nothing looks at all likely.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 03 January 2014, 16:47:14
I tried a search of the NOAA History site (http://www.history.noaa.gov/search.html), but could find only one death in the C&GS before August 10th, 1918, and it doesn't feel right.

http://www.history.noaa.gov/nwsbios/nwsbios_page41.html
Quote
Arthur H. Kiefer - Information has been received that Mr. Arthur H. Kiefer was killed in France in the offensive against the Germans on July 16, 1918. Mr. Kiefer was the first employee of the Weather Bureau reported killed in action. He was appointed a Printer on May 5, 1913, and served continuously at Columbus, Ohio, until December 27, 1917, when he was furloughed on account of enlistment in the United States Army. -- July 1918

There is a broader gov't search page I just found by accident: http://search.usa.gov/search/ but that is too extensive, it gave me every death certificate recorded including all the soldiers fighting in France.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 03 January 2014, 17:21:48
Don't you mean August 10th, 1923, Helen? The Pioneer wasn't active in 1918.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 03 January 2014, 20:14:37
Good catch, Hanibal.  The whole country went into mourning that week.

From Gregsite: http://www.vaxxine.com/mgdsite/year/1923.html
Quote
Died :   08/02/1923   Warren Harding, 29th Pres (1921-23), at Palace Hotel SF at 57

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_G._Harding#Western_travels.2C_illness_and_death
Quote
Harding's casket was placed in the East Room of the White House pending a state funeral, which was held on August 8, 1923, at the United States Capitol.
...
Harding was entombed in the receiving vault of the Marion Cemetery, Marion, Ohio, on August 10, 1923.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 04 January 2014, 08:31:50
Duh!  Yes of course that's the answer.  I can only blame a fuddled head caused by a lot of driving and a funeral ....  Thanks to you both for sorting me out.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 04 January 2014, 09:24:25
Sorry to hear that - take care of yourself!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 04 January 2014, 09:59:36
Thanks Randi - feeling less fuddled today!  And I'm glad I had to do the travelling yesterday, as today it's much wetter and it would have been horrible.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 04 January 2014, 10:35:47
helenj passes the 4000 mark!

Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 05 January 2014, 16:07:19
On March 20th, 1932, the Pioneer left Hawaii and set sail for San Francisco.
Guess that means I don't need the sunglasses anymore - back to my old avatar it is.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 05 January 2014, 16:28:26
Nice to see everything clearly?   ::) 8)
I like your avatar, with or without sunglasses.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 05 January 2014, 16:32:27
I'm interested in how regularly Pioneer is asked to supply medical assistance of one sort or another.  This is the latest, and a rather dramatic one.  I'm wondering whether the two pieces of information are connected?

Mr Reading, in charge Wildcat, brought request from Rev of Belkofski that if possible the Pioneer bring medical officer to attend to a man seriously wounded at Kings Cove, then at Belkofski; also that the Marshall at Umga be notified by wireless of a prisoner held for shooting.  Ship ran to False Pass to take Mr Nevius aboard.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%206%20-%20July-September,%201923/IMG_8326_1.jpg

Yes, definitely connected - the following day there's this entry:
St'bd whaleboat, Com'dg officer, medical officer, 6 men ashore. Medical officer examined corpse of native who died from effect of bullet wound at 1.40 this morning. Children of village examined for ailments.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%206%20-%20July-September,%201923/IMG_8327_1.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 05 January 2014, 16:50:35
I was working on a page for Thetis when I discovered that the Marine Hospital Service (MHS) ("established in 1798 to provide for the medical care of merchant seamen") led to the development of the National Institutes of Health!
http://history.nih.gov/exhibits/history/index.html
...

There was a P.H.&M.H.S.R. (Public Health and Marine Hospital Service Reserve) on Sledge Island, near Nome:
http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~2238~190101:Department-Of-The-Interior-General-?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=w4s:/where/Alaska/when/1906;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=1&trs=2
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 05 January 2014, 16:52:20
Nice to see everything clearly?   ::) 8)
I like your avatar, with or without sunglasses.

Why, thank you.
When it comes to avatars, there's nothing better than a sky-blue pegasus with a rainbow mane and tail who can create giant tornados, fly up to ten times the speed of sound and win a death battle against an evil giant alien robot, right?

(Note: Google "Starscream VS Rainbow Dash" to view the death battle. I can't post the link because it's not family friendly.)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 05 January 2014, 16:54:38
Couldn't have put it better myself ....  :D :D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 05 January 2014, 17:39:50
 ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 06 January 2014, 14:04:19
Apparently a new nightwatchman forgot to enter a total of four weather readings.
Hope they relieved him of his duties!

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2041%20-%20April-June,%201932/IMG_1788_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2041%20-%20April-June,%201932/IMG_1789_0.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 06 January 2014, 14:42:38
Or more to the point, taught what to do and the disciplinary consequences to not doing it. 8)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 07 January 2014, 13:38:11
More medical dramas on board Pioneer; this time they're carrying out surgery for appendicitis, and a nurse has been brought in to help.

Miss Fuller Nurse, aboard to assist Medical Officer in operation on Bouchers, A to E

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%206%20-%20July-September,%201923/IMG_8333_0.jpg

The story page gives the full story - they seem to have spent most of the day searching for the launch which had the nurse aboard (though at one of their failed attempts, they did at least get some fresh milk).

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%206%20-%20July-September,%201923/IMG_8333_1.jpg

Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 07 January 2014, 16:18:21
Yeuch - this entry gives a picture of life onboard which makes me glad not to be there:

Fire discovered in cabin. Wood shavings beneath bunk ignited from pantry below where mess attendants were burning out cock-roaches.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%206%20-%20July-September,%201923/IMG_8341_1.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 08 January 2014, 16:05:37
25th August 1932:
Barometer taken to San Francisco Weather Bureau for calibration.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2042%20-%20July-September,%201932/IMG_1905_0.jpg

(cross - posted to the Barometers, Instrumentation and Specifications thread in "The Logs and FAQ")
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 09 January 2014, 02:31:56
The pages for September 1st and 2nd, 1932, seem to be completely missing - not just never uploaded, but never scanned either:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2042%20-%20July-September,%201932/IMG_1911_0.jpg - August 31st
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2042%20-%20July-September,%201932/IMG_1912_0.jpg - September 3rd

Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 January 2014, 03:13:03
Notified PTB ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 09 January 2014, 13:26:40
Found 'em! They were at the very end of the log book.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2042%20-%20July-September,%201932/IMG_1941_0.jpg - Sep 30
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2042%20-%20July-September,%201932/IMG_1942_0.jpg - Sep 1
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2042%20-%20July-September,%201932/IMG_1943_0.jpg - Sep 2
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2042%20-%20July-September,%201932/IMG_1944_0.jpg - Blank page
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 January 2014, 14:53:52
Notified PTB ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 10 January 2014, 17:16:02
Yeuch - this entry gives a picture of life onboard which makes me glad not to be there:

Fire discovered in cabin. Wood shavings beneath bunk ignited from pantry below where mess attendants were burning out cock-roaches.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%206%20-%20July-September,%201923/IMG_8341_1.jpg

It could always have been worse:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/doctor-pulls-2cm-long-cockroach-from-hendrik-helmers-ear-9052158.html
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 10 January 2014, 17:17:29
The title of that article is quite enough for me - I need an emoticon for yeeeuurgh ....
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 12 January 2014, 14:14:29
An ink blot fell right on top of two bits of data:  >:(

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2043%20-%20October-December,%201932/IMG_2011_0.jpg

I entered the top bit as 29.94, but had to enter the bottom one as 29.~~ because of that dumb blot.

Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 12 January 2014, 14:28:14
Yep.  The computer will read that as "illegible" - which is very true. :'(

It's not as bad as the huge Rorschach ink blot we had in an RN log, that won the contest for messiest.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 12 January 2014, 15:13:53
Yep.  The computer will read that as "illegible" - which is very true. :'(

It's not as bad as the huge Rorschach ink blot we had in an RN log, that won the contest for messiest.

Ah yes... I remember that. I entered a note saying a few pages were removed from the log because somebody spilled oil on them, and got an honorable mention for it.
I can't find the note in my list of posts (did somebody delete the topic?), but I do remember it was written in ultra-polite Britspeak.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 12 January 2014, 15:52:09
We cleared out/rearranged thousands of posts before we started the American logs - the forum needed to not confuse by giving instructions for the wrong interface.

It was a very impressive pressing of a spilled ink bottle.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 13 January 2014, 12:45:32
Seems like the Patterson is not the only USC&GS ship to get mass desertions in port:


4 May 1923 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%205%20-%20April-June,%201923/IMG_8200_0.jpg)

Quote
Lundin A, Fire 1 cl
Strom, A, Fire 1 cl
Lynch Geo, Fire 1 cl
Lund, Carl, Seaman AB
Jacobson, Bertrand, Seaman AB
Christopherson, AA, Seaman AB
left ship with evident intention to desert. 
Declared deserters this date
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 14 January 2014, 13:59:51
Remember those cockroaches?  Well, they've nearly been dealt with - but not quite.

7.50 Public Health officials aboard to prepare ship for fumigation. 8.45 All officers and men ashore ship in hands of P.H. officials.  8.45am to 2.12pm Ship being fumigated.  1.30pm Chief Engineer and engine room watch allowed aboard.  2.12  P.H. Officials turned ship back to O.D. Crew allowed aboard. Ship completely aired except for after hold.  2.20 Public Health Officials ashore.  Crew turned to on work at hand - straightening up etc.  Fumigated with cyanide and sulphuric acid. Inspection of ship after fumigation showed a few live cockroaches in oscillator compartment and CPO mess room.

I love the bit about them 'straightening up etc' - I can imagine them muttering darkly about how untidy those wretched Public Health officials were ....

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%207%20-%20October-December,1923/IMG_8378_1.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 14 January 2014, 15:15:23
gastcra
welcome to the top 12 !
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 14 January 2014, 15:15:36
asterix135
welcome to the top 12 !
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 January 2014, 15:38:28
 ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 14 January 2014, 15:39:40
Observant captain is very observant.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 15 January 2014, 15:26:57
The pages for January 2nd, 1933, seems to be completely missing - never scanned, never uploaded.
I tried looking at the end of the log book, but couldn't find it there either.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2044%20-%20January-March,%201933/IMG_2052_0.jpg - Jan 1st
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2044%20-%20January-March,%201933/IMG_2053_0.jpg - Jan 3rd

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2044%20-%20January-March,%201933/IMG_2140_0.jpg - Mar 31st
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2044%20-%20January-March,%201933/IMG_2141_0.jpg - Blank page
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 15 January 2014, 16:17:55
The pages for January 2nd, 1933, seems to be completely missing - never scanned, never uploaded.
I tried looking at the end of the log book, but couldn't find it there either.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2044%20-%20January-March,%201933/IMG_2052_0.jpg - Jan 1st
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2044%20-%20January-March,%201933/IMG_2053_0.jpg - Jan 3rd

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2044%20-%20January-March,%201933/IMG_2140_0.jpg - Mar 31st
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2044%20-%20January-March,%201933/IMG_2141_0.jpg - Blank page

I don't think it is a scanner mistake, I think the log keeper put 2 pages on one day, and forgot to label the second day.  The comment page does include both dates.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2044%20-%20January-March,%201933/IMG_2052_1.jpg
It was New Year's Day, after all; I wonder how hung over they all were on the second.  ;)

Hanibal, I strongly recommend sticking to the TWYS rule about the dates; I'll post it in "Listing Faulty Scans" and inform Philip and Kevin, even tho this isn't a scan problem.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 15 January 2014, 16:23:03
Oh, I didn't notice that. Thanks Janet - I'll leave everything the way it was, including the times in the weather entries.
Perhaps they were trying to save space. On the Pioneer, Jan 1st is always the start of a new log book.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 19 January 2014, 10:36:00
I have another question concerning surface temperatures: Sometimes, the geographical location is given, but not the time as in this case:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2044%20-%20January-March,%201933/IMG_2090_0.jpg

I've been transcribing them in "Event: Other" as written. Here's how I did the one above: Surface Temp.: 12.5 C at 33? 08? N and 120? 15? W
I don't use the coordinates when entering the actual location, though.
Is this OK or should I do it differently?
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 19 January 2014, 11:15:11
The Surface temp was taken at 11am or noon - the line it is on determines that, and check the noon location readings below to confirm that.  I'd use the 11am time in the weather tab, and yes - I'd put the location data in, but use the location tab.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 19 January 2014, 15:46:49
Hi T-M, good to see you back!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 20 January 2014, 14:54:54
On Pioneer, the Medical Officer has just come back from his annual leave, and immediately gone on sick leave - not a very good advertisement for the powers of holidays.   ::)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: camiller on 20 January 2014, 14:58:03
The classic "I need a vacation to recover from my vacation"?
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 20 January 2014, 15:56:06
 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 21 January 2014, 15:46:50
Here's some unfortunate stuff: On March 16th, 1933, the engine broke at 2.45 pm, so they had to call another ship and get towed in.
At least they arrived safely in Long Beach the next day.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2044%20-%20January-March,%201933/IMG_2125_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2044%20-%20January-March,%201933/IMG_2126_1.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 21 January 2014, 16:00:11
They were lucky that there was another ship in the vicinity.

Don't want that happening in Alaska!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 22 January 2014, 16:49:53
helenj passes the 5000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 28 January 2014, 13:37:16
I like this entry from the log on 20th February 1924, which changes my image of life on board Pioneer a bit:

'Sent this day to Pantorium Dye works to be dyed 7 Portiers, 52 small curtains.'  Does anyone know what a Portier (I think that's the transcription) is?  I wonder where all those small curtains belonged?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%208%20-%20January-March,%201924/IMG_8516_0.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 28 January 2014, 14:30:11
Quote
pictures at http://www.draperydesignblog.com/2009/02/portiere-panels.html
The basic definition of portiere is a "curtain hung over a door".  Portiere curtains or panels are a beautiful way to treat an interior opening.  This may be an opening near an exterior door to help eliminate drafts, a door to a master bath to provide privacy or just as a decoration between a living and dining room to provide a beautiful and dramatic softness and drape.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 28 January 2014, 14:34:04
Thank you Janet, that's the answer I'm sure - I suspect these ones may have been a bit more functional than in this description though!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 28 January 2014, 16:55:01
Ships are not homes, for sure - any additional privacy and draft-blockage must have been welcome.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: camiller on 28 January 2014, 17:09:50
Could they have been for berths?  I don't know about the Pioneer, but I have been on ships that have curtains around the berths.  They are great for privacy, especially  if you have a different schedule than your roommates.  Maybe the portiers were larger or fancier than the curtains and for the officers?

Here's a link with a pic:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/USS_John_C._Stennis_%28CVN-74%29_bunks.jpg/800px-USS_John_C._Stennis_%28CVN-74%29_bunks.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 29 January 2014, 07:33:57
They could well have been - that would make a lot more sense than portholes or something similar which was what I'd had in mind.  I wonder who decided what colour they were going to be dyed?  Did they do it all democratically, or did they all get done in the Captain's favourite shade?
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: camiller on 29 January 2014, 16:31:10
 ;D  yea, I was wondering why they were being dyed, too.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 30 January 2014, 14:46:47
Life on board Pioneer begins to seem quite civilized - not only do they have newly dyed curtains, they've also just received a box of books from the Seattle Public Library ....  :D

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%208%20-%20January-March,%201924/IMG_8539_0.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 30 January 2014, 15:25:37
Worthington Pump Company
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worthington_Corporation#Worthington_Pump_and_Machinery_Corporation_.281916.E2.80.931952.29
http://www.history.navy.mil/library/special/contract24.htm

Seattle Hardware Company
http://content.lib.washington.edu/cdm4/results.php?CISOOP1=any&CISOBOX1=For.Seattle&CISOFIELD1=text&CISOOP2=all&CISOBOX2=curtis%2C+asahel%2C+1874-1941&CISOFIELD2=creato&CISOROOT=all&t=s&CISOSTART=1,181
http://content.lib.washington.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/seattle&CISOPTR=2891&CISOBOX=1&REC=20

 ::)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 02 February 2014, 12:21:18
Independence Day celebrations, 1933:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2046%20-%20July-September,%201933/IMG_0254_1.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 02 February 2014, 12:44:11
Definitely written after a day of celebration - too buzzed to remember what the weather was. ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 07 February 2014, 15:20:12
helenj passes the 6000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 07 February 2014, 15:38:15
We're back to 24 WR a day now - so it's quicker to make progress   ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 February 2014, 05:31:50
wendolk (Kathy)
About time you get back to work!
Err, I mean

Welcome back !



 :-*
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 09 February 2014, 07:09:51
Actually, Randi, you were right the first time.  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 09 February 2014, 08:52:47
Welcome back on board, Kathy - nice to have some more company on the Pioneer!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kathy on 09 February 2014, 13:14:51
Aw shucks -  ::)

Thanks for the welcome - it is rather like coming home.  :-*

Now that the run-up to Christmas and the holidays have passed - a very busy time of year for me - I'll be doing more transcribing.

Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 09 February 2014, 13:55:39
Excellent - this is a crack crew!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 09 February 2014, 14:05:37
In the 1933 sense of the word  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kathy on 09 February 2014, 14:06:27
I'd rather be rum than crack -  :P
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 09 February 2014, 14:39:17
I'd rather be rum than crack -  :P

 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 09 February 2014, 16:33:05
On 2nd May 1924, written on the first half of log pages.

Note - On arrival at beach two natives who had come over portage, were interviewed. They said that the plane had been seen from the Packers cannery heading NW towards Bering Sea. For that reason no search was made and party returned to the ship. (Signed) R. R. Lukens

The previous day they'd recorded talking to a launch about a missing airplane, and then later hearing from a native that it had not been seen.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%209%20-%20April-June,%201924/IMG_8597_0.jpg

And here's a bit more of the story from the matching narrative page:

9:00 Whaleboat left ship with Mr Hoskinson, Mr Whalen, Mr Taylor, and crew to search for Major Martin & mechanician between Kuiukta Bay & Chignik.  9:30 Whaleboat returned to ship, last report, plane heading NW toward Behring Sea

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%209%20-%20April-June,%201924/IMG_8597_1.jpg

They're still looking - on 26th May there's another entry re Major Martin.
Lt Bissel USA (from USCG Haida) came aboard for consultation with Comdg Officer in re search for Major Martin.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%209%20-%20April-June,%201924/IMG_8622_1.jpg

Finally got time to follow up this story - the good news is that Major Martin and his mechanic had been found safe on 10th May.  This tells a bit of their story.  I think I'm going to have to follow it up more ....  It could be useful to the eventual editor of this log.
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=992

This is the day they set out and were lost:
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=969

This gives some background - he was part of a US Army Air Service attempt to fly around the world in a team of four planes.  Three of them succeeded, arriving back in the US on September 28th, having left on April 6th.
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=751

And a New York Times article about their return home:
http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/0928.html#article

And more about Major Martin - he is buried at Arlington Cemetery:
http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/flmartin.htm

And finally, a picture of both crew:



Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 19 February 2014, 13:26:25
Ah, the demon drink!  On Pioneer in July 1924:
2.15AM. A fight occurred between J E Johnson Sh Cook 1 cl and J Wells seaman in which Johnson struck Wells with his fist and after Wells had stabbed Johnson with a penknife also hit Wells over the head with a coal shovel. Both men had been drinking. Wells bruised about face with cut over eye. Johnson a four inch cut on chest wall.

On the log page they're both recorded as being on the sick list until further record ....

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2010%20-%20July-September,%201924/IMG_8693_1.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 19 February 2014, 13:40:18
I have to wonder if J Wells, seaman, considered how hard it will be to not be given the burnt ends of whatever is on the menu after this.  It is really not a good idea to get your cook angry at you. ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 19 February 2014, 13:56:12
Burnt ends might be the least of it!  On 4th August they're both back on duty, so they've obviously healed OK.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 21 February 2014, 17:01:36
The log keeper messed up this page  (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2048%20-%20January-March,%201934/IMG_0480_0.jpg)completely - just look at it!

That is one of the most Whisky Tango Foxtrot things I have ever seen on OW.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 21 February 2014, 17:23:31
It looks like it was the writer's error, copying from the deck log into the clean log.  He didn't even get the day right, that date was a Saturday.  and he first copied in Monday's location and Friday's weather .  Did anyone check if he'd been stealing from the grog supply?
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 21 February 2014, 18:07:53
Actually, it looks like he mistook the 29th for the 27th due to bad handwriting in the original. http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2048%20-%20January-March,%201934/IMG_0480_1.jpg

Nice to know we're not the only ones who get stuff wrong!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 22 February 2014, 09:50:34
Hanibal94 passes the 50,000 mark!




 ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: sean0118 on 22 February 2014, 19:04:36
Nice work Hanibal94!  ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 22 February 2014, 19:44:27
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Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 22 February 2014, 22:59:46
Bravo zulu for sorting that charlie --
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 23 February 2014, 07:18:28
Way to go, Hanibal  8)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 23 February 2014, 14:12:04
Congratulations, Cap'n!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 23 February 2014, 15:17:48
Bravo zulu for sorting that charlie --
Nice work Hanibal94!  ;)
Way to go, Hanibal  8)
Congratulations, Cap'n!

Thanks! It was quite an effort - you wanna stay up till 1.30 am listening to Rammstein to stay awake, be my guest.
Unfortunately, it appears my time on her is running out - according to my guestimations, one voyage on this ship lasts about 53.000 WR, and I am very close to that - I think 1934 is the last year of logs that have been uploaded, and I just started May 1934.


P.S. I just found out the pages for May 2nd and May 3rd are out of order:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2049%20-%20April-June,%201934/IMG_0580_0.jpg - May 1st
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2049%20-%20April-June,%201934/IMG_0581_0.jpg - May 3rd
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2049%20-%20April-June,%201934/IMG_0582_0.jpg - May 2nd
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2049%20-%20April-June,%201934/IMG_0583_0.jpg - May 4th
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 23 February 2014, 15:49:28
Ship writer is paying attention to his page turnings.  :)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 26 February 2014, 10:51:47
helenj passes the 7000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 26 February 2014, 16:03:39
Nice one, Lieutenant!
Now do it 7 more times, and you can be Captain. I double dare you!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 26 February 2014, 16:56:50
Well, I'm committed to keeping going until the end - but I'm not sure I'll manage to overtake you.  I had quite a gap in transcribing and I suspect that might have blown my chances ....
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 27 February 2014, 02:24:15
That, and your self-imposed limit of 100 WR per day.
The only way you could possibly overtake me is if you manage to do a whole voyage by yourself.
But that would only work if nobody else jumps on board until you're done, which is very unlikely in my opinion.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 27 February 2014, 10:49:20
I fear you're right - but I'm not really bothered.  I've been captain a couple of times already, and am now happy to be a humble lieutenant!
 8) 8)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 02 March 2014, 13:55:56
On November 28th, 1934, the Pioneer took in tow a disabled yacht off Point Vicente, CA (Cross-posted in the Dockside Cafe).
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2051%20-%20October-December,%201934/IMG_0806_1.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 08 March 2014, 08:44:40
helenj passes the 8000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 15 March 2014, 12:56:40
You don't want your galley crew falling out with one another ...  On March 1st 1925:

A quarrel occurred about noon between Gervacio Zapata, Officers' Cook, and Ray R Rivera, Mess Attendent, 1st Cl. The latter stabbed the cook in the left shoulder, using a small pocket knife. A wound 1/2 inch deep and 3/4 inch long was inflicted. This was dressed at once by the Dr Scroggs of the Str Discoverer, the injury not being of a serious nature. For punishment see log of Mar 2nd.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2012%20-%20January-March,%201925/IMG_8925_1.jpg

The culprit was discharged the following day as a result.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2012%20-%20January-March,%201925/IMG_8926_0.jpg



Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 15 March 2014, 14:50:12
The cook is really one person no one should want to annoy!!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 March 2014, 17:42:37
helenj passes the 9000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 22 March 2014, 13:55:28
Thank you Randi!   :D :D

Here's a nice example of 'don't blame us, we did everything we should have done' .... 'McCarthy Seaman, attached to ship from Wildcat said to be tubercular. Wired Washington for permission to send him back to Seattle.  When shipped passed by San Francisco Public Health doctor.'

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2013%20-%20April-June,%201925/IMG_9013_0.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 25 March 2014, 16:56:22
On October 22nd and 23rd, 1935, she appears to have experienced Force 10 winds!  :o

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2055%20-%20October-December,%201934/IMG_1167_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2055%20-%20October-December,%201934/IMG_1168_0.jpg

Then again, it may just be a mistake - it kinda looks like they wrote it down wrong and didn't correct it properly.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 25 March 2014, 17:16:33
If it had really jumped from force 1 to 10 inside an hour while the barometer was rising, they wouldn't have noted the the weather on the comment page as being "light airs".  ;)

I'm confident the analysts will spot that easily.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 25 March 2014, 17:36:38
I wonder if they scratched out the 1's (they look a little fuzzy) and replaced them with 0's.

It would certainly be correct to transcribe them as 10's, but I think that Philip's guess enthusiastically rule could be applied here to transcribe them as 0's :-\
- Janet / Caro?
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 25 March 2014, 17:44:36
I actually checked the previous comment page because those 1's looked like surrounded by water spot stain.  But there are no water stains on the back side of the page.  I'm very comfortable with both choices.  Randi is right about Philip's "guess enthusiastically" and the transcribers who don't visit the forum don't know that - they only know TWYS and it would be nice to agree with them so the analysts get shown the problem.

Transcriber's choice on this one, I think.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 26 March 2014, 02:05:04
OK, I transcribed it as 10 because I follow TWYS very strictly. But as Janet J said, the analysts should spot it easily.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 26 March 2014, 02:42:09
Just to clarify - I am NOT saying that you shouldn't TWYS.
When you are not sure what you see, you have to guess.
The question is do I see a 10 or do I see a 1 that was scratched out and replaced by a 0. I am not sure.

If Philip sees all 10's, he will realize that there is an error in the log book.
If Philip sees a mix of 0's and 10's, he will realize that there was a problem reading the log book.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 26 March 2014, 05:51:07
This is turning out to be a binary problem.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 28 March 2014, 04:06:42
(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-060.gif)  Hanibal94 passes the 60,000 mark!  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-061.gif)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 28 March 2014, 04:57:34
wendolk (Kathy) passes the 250 mark!
Title: Voyage complete!
Post by: Hanibal94 on 28 March 2014, 05:02:30
Thanks!

And I got more good news: My voyage on the Pioneer is now complete. It turns out the current set of logs start on April 8th, 1922 and end on December 31st, 1935 (I've added that useful bit of info to her reference).
Now let's see - I have unfinished business on the Bear and Unalga, but the Bear already has Silvia, Craig, Janet L and sometimes Stuart working on her, so that should be enough to get her to VAL without me. Guess it's the Unalga then - Poor Matteo's gonna have to fight if he wants to stay Captain!
But first, I shall celebrate my victory with some nice reading materials - as you can see, I enjoy a wide variety of good literature:

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Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 28 March 2014, 05:18:48
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Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 28 March 2014, 05:30:17
Good work, Hanibal  8)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 28 March 2014, 08:23:09
Congratulations, Hannibal!  Hope you enjoy your new voyage on Unalga - having had a break with your varied reading materials!  I'll keep on sending you the crew changes on Pioneer.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 30 March 2014, 05:17:26
helenj (Helen J) passes the 10,000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 30 March 2014, 08:06:14
Thank you Randi!  If hanibal's voyage is a good guide, there's only about another 50,000 to go  ::) ::)  If anyone feels like joining me ....
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 30 March 2014, 13:53:10
Only 50,000 left to go on the Bear and I'll be right with you  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 30 March 2014, 13:59:50
Only 50,000 left to go on the Bear and I'll be right with you  ;D

If we work at the same speed, we ought to pass one another on the gangplank ....  :D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 30 March 2014, 15:48:32
Actually, I think Craig is much faster than you, Helen - he does at least 3 hours a day, if my memory is correct.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 30 March 2014, 15:53:48
Actually, I think Craig is much faster than you, Helen - he does at least 3 hours a day, if my memory is correct.

I'm afraid I thought that might be the case - but I liked the picture of us crossing on the gangplank!  Well, it might mean I get some company which would be nice.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 30 March 2014, 16:06:31
I will be looking out for you just the same, Helen  ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 04 April 2014, 15:16:12
T-M
Welcome back !
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 05 April 2014, 12:53:54
PIONEER MAKES IT TO 46%! 
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 08 April 2014, 03:35:11
MAPurves
welcome to the top 12 !
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 08 April 2014, 03:37:16
wendolk (Kathy)
Keep going !!!



 :-*
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 08 April 2014, 11:28:05
I'm glad to be back. My new PC's hard drive failed, and it took nearly three weeks to get a replacement, and then I had to spend three days to re-install all the various programs and files. However, everything is now tickety-boo, and I can get back to doing real work, like sounding the waters around East Cove Bay in the Aleutians in the grey damp gloomy soggy weather. (I saw the the first weather code of 'g' yesterday.)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 08 April 2014, 12:14:52
What a mess.  We are glad to get you back.  :)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 08 April 2014, 13:15:22
Glad you've made it back - there are plenty more gloomy days to come!  :D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 08 April 2014, 14:06:51
MAPurves's new PC
Welcome back !


 ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kathy on 08 April 2014, 16:10:55
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 08 April 2014, 18:39:25
Look after Michael, he was a good exec officer on the Concord.   ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 08 April 2014, 18:53:55
Look after Michael, he was a good exec officer on the Concord.   ;)
They're an easier bunch, either that or their captain is more tolerant. I've seen only one report of disorderly crew so far. The Concord had more than that in just one day.  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 08 April 2014, 19:29:11
Something to make one ponder the wonders of spelling and, at the same time, try to imagine a person with viscous habits...

viscous: having a thick, sticky consistency between solid and liquid; having a high viscosity.

S. N. Christensen, Fir. 1C. discharged, (deficiency of mental balance, viscous habits) [intimidated firemen] paid in full.   :-\
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 08 April 2014, 22:14:23
Look after Michael, he was a good exec officer on the Concord.   ;)
They're an easier bunch, either that or their captain is more tolerant. I've seen only one report of disorderly crew so far. The Concord had more than that in just one day.  ;D

The deserters are still following me about. I have had a few on the Albatross so far.
I am starting to develop a complex.  %^(
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 April 2014, 02:59:50
 ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 09 April 2014, 08:47:14
Pioneer does have the odd deserter, and quite a few AWOL.  And they discharge men for ineptitude from time to time ....

We're delighted to have Michael and will look after him well, I promise - and Kathy, and everyone else!  It's a long voyage, and we need all the help we can get ....  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 April 2014, 09:00:25
You are lucky to have Michael since he sees twice as much as most people ;)
(though if 'they' haven't fixed the problem yet, I wouldn't write one check much less two ;D)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 09 April 2014, 11:07:10
You are lucky to have Michael since he sees twice as much as most people ;)
(though if 'they' haven't fixed the problem yet, I wouldn't write one check much less two ;D)
I'll be seeing twice as much as the rest of you for a while yet; I need a few, maybe three, sets of measurements, with the first at the end of May, and the others at three month intervals after that. (At least that was the process the first time.) However, it's a bonus at this time of year, lots more cherry and plum blossoms, daffodils, tulips, etc to look at.  :)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 12 April 2014, 03:33:43
MAPurves passes the 500 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 13 April 2014, 05:12:22
pommystuart (Pommy Stuart) passes the 500 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 13 April 2014, 12:21:52
I hereby do formally request two weeks leave from Pioneer for two weeks beginning Tuesday, 0800. I've been ordered to go to San Francisco to visit one daughter for a few days, then proceed directly to Vancouver to help another one pack for her move to Toronto.  ::)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 13 April 2014, 12:26:54
Oh, well - if you have two of your top bosses giving you direct orders, you have not choice at all!!  Enjoy that trip, if not the packing and moving.  :)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 13 April 2014, 12:34:02
Why is it they order me to help pack etc, but never order to me to spend time entering old weather data??? The younger generation seems to have a different set of priorities.  ;) Oh well, I have been promised a trip to one of my favourite California wineries; they make a killer Cabernet Sauvignon. Sadly, I can bring only two bottles back across the border.  :'(
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 13 April 2014, 13:16:12
 ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 13 April 2014, 13:27:28
Why is it they order me to help pack etc, but never order to me to spend time entering old weather data??? The younger generation seems to have a different set of priorities.  ;) Oh well, I have been promised a trip to one of my favourite California wineries; they make a killer Cabernet Sauvignon. Sadly, I can bring only two bottles back across the border.  :'(

You'll just need to bring some back inside you ....
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 13 April 2014, 16:51:04
So much wine, such a tiny stomach..  :-[
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 13 April 2014, 17:35:16
When the kids visit you they can bring back two each for you.

Ship is in Frisco 01/01/1924.  15oF
I did not realise it got that cold there even in mid winter.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 13 April 2014, 19:11:51
I was in Vancouver 29 Dec 1968 when the temperature was 0F (-17.8C).  Pretty cold day for riding a motorcycle (1967 Triumph Bonneville).
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 13 April 2014, 20:58:46
NICE BIKE.   8)
Vancouver is a bit higher than Frisco.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 13 April 2014, 22:00:21
Here's my baby on the banks of the Peace River after a trip Vancouver - Los Angeles - Vancouver - Prince George - Fort St. John. I would have kept going to Alaska, except that in those days, 1968, the Alaska Highway became two lanes of gravel just north of Charlie Lake which is located around Mile 57. The idea of 1400 miles of gravel to get to Alaska and 1400 more miles of gravel to return was a bit of a damper.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 13 April 2014, 22:20:47
Leave it to me in your will.
 ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 13 April 2014, 22:25:00
Sorry. Sold it to pay for my last year of university. It's only a memory now.

You're really tearing through the Pioneer logs. I suspect you'll be done the whole voyage before I get back from SFO.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 13 April 2014, 22:30:57
I must say the remarks are a little brief. We don't know what the carpenters were doing, or the plumbers. Who was standing watch in the fireroom? Did they parade any marines when a ship passed, or did they at least dip their flags? What were the hourly engine RPMs? The hourly currents? When did the tides change? How deep was the water under their hull at the change of each watch? Did the painters paint anything and if so, what? (Perhaps I was on Concord too long.)  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 14 April 2014, 02:06:17
Not sure if this goes hear in in instruments?

Pioneer 22 Feb 1924.
"barometer corr applied + 07"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%208%20-%20January-March,%201924/IMG_8518_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%208%20-%20January-March,%201924/IMG_8518_0.jpg)

another correction made 26 Feb 1924
"barometer corr applied + 07"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%208%20-%20January-March,%201924/IMG_8522_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%208%20-%20January-March,%201924/IMG_8522_0.jpg)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 14 April 2014, 02:36:36
Either or both.  Reposted there too, now. 

Not sure if this goes hear in in instruments?

Pioneer 22 Feb 1924.
"barometer corr applied + 07"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%208%20-%20January-March,%201924/IMG_8518_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%208%20-%20January-March,%201924/IMG_8518_0.jpg)

another correction made 26 Feb 1924
"barometer corr applied + 07"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%208%20-%20January-March,%201924/IMG_8522_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%208%20-%20January-March,%201924/IMG_8522_0.jpg)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 14 April 2014, 03:23:30
You're really tearing through the Pioneer logs. I suspect you'll be done the whole voyage before I get back from SFO.

Wow! He certainly is!
As the Captain, I am very pleased.
But I don't think Stuart will finish his voyage that fast - the last page is December 31st, 1935, and the last nine months have 24 WR / day EVERY SINGLE DAY.
It took me forever to get through that, and I fear Stuart will have to face the same if he wants to finish his voyage.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 14 April 2014, 03:53:23
Gee hanibal give me some encouragement why don't you  :P

Another +07 bara correction
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%208%20-%20January-March,%201924/IMG_8554_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%208%20-%20January-March,%201924/IMG_8554_0.jpg)

Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 April 2014, 04:02:21
I must say the remarks are a little brief. We don't know what the carpenters were doing, or the plumbers. Who was standing watch in the fireroom? Did they parade any marines when a ship passed, or did they at least dip their flags? What were the hourly engine RPMs? The hourly currents? When did the tides change? How deep was the water under their hull at the change of each watch? Did the painters paint anything and if so, what? (Perhaps I was on Concord too long.)  ;D
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 April 2014, 04:05:04
pommystuart (Pommy Stuart) passes the 1000 mark!


 ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 14 April 2014, 05:02:17
pommystuart (Pommy Stuart) passes the 1000 mark!


 ;)

1500 if you don't mind.  ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 April 2014, 05:06:41
pommystuart (Pommy Stuart) passes the 1500 mark!


Now. It wasn't then ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 14 April 2014, 13:49:20
Here's another one:

Barometer correction applied + 07

April 6, 1924

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%209%20-%20April-June,%201924/IMG_8571_0.jpg

Could you be so kind, Janet, and post to instruments.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 14 April 2014, 16:33:11
Pioneer reaches 48%!  Go, crew ..... !
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 14 April 2014, 16:46:26
Pioneer reaches 48%!  Go, crew ..... !

I am going - to San Francisco to visit children. It's up to you and Stuart for the next two weeks. I leave Pioneer heading back to False Pass after a rainy winter in Seattle, April 19, 1924.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 14 April 2014, 16:49:22
Done.

Here's another one:

Barometer correction applied + 07

April 6, 1924

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%209%20-%20April-June,%201924/IMG_8571_0.jpg

Could you be so kind, Janet, and post to instruments.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 15 April 2014, 03:45:01
MAPurves passes the 1000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 16 April 2014, 18:48:19
Pioneer.
Yet more adjustments to the bara of +0.7 on each of these dates.
Barometer correction of +0.7 on the
16th, 17th, 19th, 21st through to the 30th April 1924.

Note in log book on these dates that 'No thermometer attached'
29th and 30th April 1924.

What gives with all these corrections as no attached temps have ever been give,?

(Also posted on Instruments board.)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 17 April 2014, 03:35:42
Yet more adjustments to the bara of +0.7 on each of these dates.
Barometer correction of +0.7 on the
16th, 17th, 19th, 21st through to the 30th April 1924.

Note in log book on these dates that 'No thermometer attached'
29th and 30th April 1924.

What gives with all these corrections as no attached temps have ever been given?

(Also posted on Instruments board.)
They're just following the rules like good little sailors are supposed to.

Oh, and attached temperatures do turn up, but not until Jan 30th 1935:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2052%20-%20January-March,%201934/IMG_0878_0.jpg

Be careful when you get to them, because the order of columns in the log does not match the order in the WR entry boxes.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 17 April 2014, 03:41:44
What rules?

Also interesting
1 May 1924.
6:00 (am) Stopped to report loss of airplane to Launch 'Jupiter'
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%209%20-%20April-June,%201924/IMG_8596_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%209%20-%20April-June,%201924/IMG_8596_1.jpg)

2 May 1924
Note- On arrival at beach two natives who had come over portage, were interviewed. They said that the plane had been seen from Packers Cannery heading NW towards Bering Sea. For that reason no search was made and party returned to the ship.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%209%20-%20April-June,%201924/IMG_8597_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%209%20-%20April-June,%201924/IMG_8597_0.jpg)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 April 2014, 03:47:28
See Helen's post: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3341.msg82966;topicseen#msg82966
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 17 April 2014, 04:18:39
Looks like it's all been noted before.
Thanks Helen.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 17 April 2014, 13:15:02
One of the most interesting events in Pioneer's normally uneventful life!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 19 April 2014, 20:35:11
5 July 1924 seems to be missing I went from 4 to 6th.
One less birthday at sea.  ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 19 April 2014, 21:20:08
What do you mean, the birthday is missing - the 4th of July is there in its entire, you said.  :)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 20 April 2014, 00:34:45
 ???, the 4th is only a nations Birthday, the 5th IS MINE  :P
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 20 April 2014, 03:22:02
aaahhhh!  Maybe it was missing from the log because they all went to celebrate your foreseen birth. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 20 April 2014, 03:54:12
My Dad told My Mum to hold on till the 5th July.
English National Health started on that day so I was a free birth.   ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 20 April 2014, 05:01:57
5 July 1924 seems to be missing I went from 4 to 6th.
One less birthday at sea.  ;)

Would you please give me a link? I will report the problem.
Gina has been scanning/rescanning missing and badly scanned pages ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 20 April 2014, 06:25:10
pommystuart (Pommy Stuart) passes the 2000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 20 April 2014, 18:32:36
5 July 1924 seems to be missing I went from 4 to 6th.
One less birthday at sea.  ;)

Would you please give me a link? I will report the problem.
Gina has been scanning/rescanning missing and badly scanned pages ;)

5th July 1924 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2010%20-%20July-September,%201924/IMG_8670_0.jpg)
(I got the Misc page for the 5th but not the weather page.)
I thought another third transcriber had done it but I have done all before and after that one.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 21 April 2014, 03:59:08
It does seem a bit odd, but at least the page has been scanned and loaded so there is not a problem at Gina's end.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 21 April 2014, 06:49:06
OK, I don't think one page will change the overall predictions.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 24 April 2014, 00:33:55
Just curious.
Why are the outer cover pics of the log books upside down?
This is the first vessel I have seen then that way.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2011%20-%20October-December,%201924/IMG_8763_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2011%20-%20October-December,%201924/IMG_8763_0.jpg)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 24 April 2014, 06:30:53
I can't tell you why, but I can tell you they're all like that, at least as far as I've reached.  Just one of life's little mysteries .... (along with why her logkeepers seem to think that entering Lat or Long is for other people ....)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 24 April 2014, 06:56:09
 ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 April 2014, 15:32:13
Maybe they knew you were going to be working on it, Stuart, and they thought it would be right side up for you ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 24 April 2014, 16:07:12
 ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 24 April 2014, 18:05:28
  :o :P

 ;)

50% and on the home run.  8)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 25 April 2014, 02:41:48
Who forgot to pay the Post Office Bill?
7 Nov 1924.
Smootly sheet "A" with boat sheets, descriptive report, forwarded to Washington office by registered mail.
Post office refused to accept this package.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2011%20-%20October-December,%201924/IMG_8804_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2011%20-%20October-December,%201924/IMG_8804_0.jpg)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 25 April 2014, 06:05:54
They may not have tied or taped it properly - they get very fussy about packaging, don't want to be blamed for wrecking a package because the customer didn't fasten it properly.  Tho it might also be an address missing.

Just the two most common reasons this side of the pond.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 25 April 2014, 14:43:10
  :o :P

 ;)

50% and on the home run.  8)

Hooray!  Downhill all the way from now on ....
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 25 April 2014, 18:03:50
I have wondered about this for some time now and not worked out the answer (if any)

What determines the time and amount of info that goes on to a log page.
Pioneer is in dry dock
This page has 1am, which is sometimes there and others not.
Then the usual in port 4, 8, 12, 4, 8, 12.
BUT they have thrown in 8am and 10am weather codes only.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2011%20-%20October-December,%201924/IMG_8831_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2011%20-%20October-December,%201924/IMG_8831_0.jpg)
Why?
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 25 April 2014, 18:26:58
In dry dock, it might not be kept by any of its own crew - the dockyard might be supplying the labor.  Beyond that, it might just be convenience.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 25 April 2014, 21:26:07
I have wondered about this for some time now and not worked out the answer (if any)

What determines the time and amount of info that goes on to a log page.
Pioneer is in dry dock
This page has 1am, which is sometimes there and others not.
Then the usual in port 4, 8, 12, 4, 8, 12.
BUT they have thrown in 8am and 10am weather codes only.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2011%20-%20October-December,%201924/IMG_8831_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2011%20-%20October-December,%201924/IMG_8831_0.jpg)
Why?

It looks like they wanted to show when it started to rain.  I saw something similar when they were in drydock the previous winter. As for me, we've left the land of free wine tasting in grocery stores, but we are still on the eastern shore of Georgia Strait: helping "children" packing for their move to Toronto the Good. We did get our maximum allotment of four bottles of California wine across the border.  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 25 April 2014, 21:44:57
Don't spend that wine on the movers - even you and your kids will be to worn out to enjoy.  Preserve it to celebrate your arrival home.  :)

(What free wine tasting in grocery stores?  If you pick the right store, you get sample foods to munch to encourage added purchases, but wine tasting there is very rare, even in the US.  Winery stores yes, grocery stores no.  Usually.)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 25 April 2014, 21:46:43
"We did get our maximum allotment of four bottles of California wine across the border.  :) :) :) :) "

Save on for Sept 2015.
Maybe see you then.

Here is another mixed page.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2011%20-%20October-December,%201924/IMG_8852_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2011%20-%20October-December,%201924/IMG_8852_0.jpg)
No real pattern to entries.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 26 April 2014, 13:15:58
Don't spend that wine on the movers - even you and your kids will be to worn out to enjoy.  Preserve it to celebrate your arrival home.  :)

(What free wine tasting in grocery stores?  If you pick the right store, you get sample foods to munch to encourage added purchases, but wine tasting there is very rare, even in the US.  Winery stores yes, grocery stores no.  Usually.)

Ssshhh! Don't let the kids know we have wine. We have food tasting in grocery stores here, too, but not wine. I suppose only in California. The free wine wasn't enough of an incentive to overcome the challenge of driving the I680 at 8:00 a.m. on a Wednesday morning. I think we'll stick it out in Victoria.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 26 April 2014, 13:19:20
"We did get our maximum allotment of four bottles of California wine across the border.  :) :) :) :) "

Save on for Sept 2015.
Maybe see you then.

Here is another mixed page.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2011%20-%20October-December,%201924/IMG_8852_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2011%20-%20October-December,%201924/IMG_8852_0.jpg)
No real pattern to entries.

The wine is waiting for you. Beer, too.  As for the weather, it looks like they went out for a little sail - run of 50 miles. They also wanted to record the presence of fog. That's my interpretation.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 26 April 2014, 13:38:45
Like some of our transcribers, they simply don't like dittos.  Record a reading only when something changed or is important to ship function, like fog.  :)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 26 April 2014, 13:52:26
We all love dittos   :o ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: camiller on 26 April 2014, 17:02:46
We all love dittos   :o ;D

 ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 26 April 2014, 17:38:52
I'll " that.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: camiller on 26 April 2014, 17:53:53
Good one!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 26 April 2014, 18:44:10
"
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 26 April 2014, 18:51:06
Copy cat.  :o
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 29 April 2014, 09:09:16
Good work, Kathy - Keep going !!! :-*
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 29 April 2014, 12:28:45
mapurves was this day, January 4, 1925, transferred from this ship for duty on U. S. S. Concord by order of Bureau of Navigation #12457 of May 27th 1897. It seems Captain Pommystuart submitted the request 28 years ago, but the Bureau of Navigation has been rather backed up in handling requests for transfers from the U. S. Coast Guard to the Navy. A tardis has been dispatched in order to facilitate the transfer to the ship on the appropriate date. Apparently mapurves is needed for the Battle of Manila which is due to occur in the not too distant future (for the Concord) or did occur in the far distant past (for the Pioneer).

I foresee my return to the Pioneer once the Concord's career is finished. Bon voyage Helen, Kathy and Hannibal.

Michael
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 29 April 2014, 13:05:01
We'll look forward to your return - and meanwhile will keep faithfully plodding on!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 29 April 2014, 17:36:27
Buy for now.
 :'(
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 29 April 2014, 20:12:48
And what are you purchasing?  A proper bribe to bring him back later? :D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 29 April 2014, 22:11:35
And what are you purchasing?  A proper bribe to bring him back later? :D

I can be bribed!!! No reasonable refused!  :)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 30 April 2014, 06:59:00
mapurves was this day, January 4, 1925, transferred from this ship for duty on U. S. S. Concord by order of Bureau of Navigation #12457 of May 27th 1897. It seems Captain Pommystuart submitted the request 28 years ago, but the Bureau of Navigation has been rather backed up in handling requests for transfers from the U. S. Coast Guard to the Navy. A tardis has been dispatched in order to facilitate the transfer to the ship on the appropriate date. Apparently mapurves is needed for the Battle of Manila which is due to occur in the not too distant future (for the Concord) or did occur in the far distant past (for the Pioneer).

I foresee my return to the Pioneer once the Concord's career is finished. Bon voyage Helen, Kathy and Hannibal.

Michael

Orders recieved and acknowledged this date.
Return to Pioneer after completion of voyage on Concord requested.
Failure to follow said request will be punished with a *BLAM* to the head.

Captain Hanibal94 (currently serving on Bear after finishing own voyage on Pioneer, having used the TARDIS to jump back from Dec 1935 to April 1894 following a request from fellow Lieutenant Craig)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 30 April 2014, 08:04:41
 ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 May 2014, 03:21:27
jil
Welcome to the top 12 !
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 03 May 2014, 04:35:14
Ahoy!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 03 May 2014, 05:00:35
Hey! What are you doing here? You should be working on the Bear!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 03 May 2014, 07:56:47
Occasional temporary transfer, Cap'n! Honest  :)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 03 May 2014, 08:20:10
Jil is taking over from me for a while.
 8)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 03 May 2014, 10:27:45
Dear Captain, please may I have more crew?  There's a long way to go to get Pioneer finished! 
Your loyal lieutenant,
Helen Julian
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 03 May 2014, 12:48:06
Dear Captain, please may I have more crew?  There's a long way to go to get Pioneer finished! 
Your loyal lieutenant,
Helen Julian

Joan, I feel your pain. I estimate we have 150,000 WRs left on the Concord before that one is finished. If I haven't died of old age before Concord is done, I'll transfer back to Pioneer.  ;)  Too many logs, too few hands on deck.

Michael
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 03 May 2014, 12:50:36
Michael - I will be praying for your long life, as it would be good to see you back on Pioneer ....
Helen J (not Joan, but don't worry!)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 03 May 2014, 12:55:13
Michael - I will be praying for your long life, as it would be good to see you back on Pioneer ....
Helen J (not Joan, but don't worry!)

Helen, sorry. The brain read Joan but the signal was garbled on the way to the fingers. (I think it was seeing Julian which confused my few remaining grey cells.)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 03 May 2014, 16:39:08
Occasional temporary transfer, Cap'n! Honest  :)

Alright - since Stuart and Michael are both back on the Concord, I guess I can forgive your transgression. Do as much as you want on the Pioneer.
Guess it's now up to Silvia, Craig and me to finish the Bear.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 May 2014, 17:03:29
I think that should be sufficient! ;D ;D ;D

Besides, she did say "Occasional temporary" ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 04 May 2014, 03:11:53
Day shift on Bear, night shift on Pioneer.

(Although when I say shift I mean the odd half hour - it takes a while to travel from 1890s to 1920s!)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 04 May 2014, 08:18:35
Welcome to Pioneer, jil - for whatever you can do.  (I'm moonlighting on Cardiff myself - just trying to get the edit finished).
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 05 May 2014, 14:25:32
Kathy :-*
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 May 2014, 16:08:51
That's it Kathy! Keep going!
We need you!
 :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 May 2014, 16:10:17
jil passes the 500 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 11 May 2014, 13:48:10
Pioneer has reached 52%

In the absence of our esteemed Captain - congratulations to all crew members, and keep up the good work.   :D :D :D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 11 May 2014, 16:37:53
The esteemed captain does not celebrate every single percentage point. But he is very pleased with what little progress there is.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 11 May 2014, 17:11:49
Halfway mark passed !
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 12 May 2014, 02:26:47
Halfway mark passed !

Exactly. That's a milestone to be celebrated.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 21 May 2014, 03:33:30
jil passes the 750 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 21 May 2014, 03:36:35
helenj (Helen J) passes the 15,000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 21 May 2014, 09:54:23
And only another 10 years to go!   8)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 31 May 2014, 18:48:52
T-M
Welcome back (again) !
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 04 June 2014, 03:15:06
jil passes the 1000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 06 June 2014, 17:20:25
Pioneer has crept up to 54% complete - thanks to all who've helped get us there ....
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 06 June 2014, 19:57:52
 ;D 8)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 22 June 2014, 13:51:11
wendolk (Kathy)

Welcome back (again) !



 ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kathy on 22 June 2014, 14:54:23
 ;D

Thankee very much -

I was temporarily detailed elsewhere -  ::)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 22 June 2014, 16:44:07
Glad to have you back, Kathy.  It's been kinda lonely lately .....
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 26 June 2014, 03:39:10
Very happy to have you back!!!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 31 July 2014, 08:46:06
helenj (Helen J) passes the 20,000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 31 July 2014, 08:49:17
Great job, Helen! Your captain is very pleased.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 03 August 2014, 16:18:31
Thank you, Captain!

A sad event on Pioneer - a man lost overboard, on 11th October 1928:

Earl Forsberg, sea, a.b. lost overboard. Foot slipped while washing paintwork on outboard side of port motorsailer canopy. Launch had handrope on canopy and there was a safety line passed behind the man and his companion but when he slipped he was not holding on and slid from under the safety line. He wore rubber boats and these evidently carried him down quickly. His companion gave the alarm and the ship was immediately stopped, a life ring having been dropped over first, and a boat was lowered in less than seven minutes. The man was seen by the boat crew just as they took the water but they started for him he sunk and was never seen again. The ship cruised in circles around the buoy, which was found, untill dark but no sign of the man was found. Signed Roland D Horne Exec Off
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 03 August 2014, 17:22:14
And Pioneer has made it to 57% ....  :D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 10 August 2014, 16:13:15
Good to see that someone is checking up on the weather readings on Pioneer.

Q.M.s attention called to the fact that he must tap barometers lightly as there was an apparent error in his record for the watch due to sticking of the indicating hand of the barometer. Signed K J Crosby.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2025%20-%20April-June,%201928/IMG_0233_0.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Danny252 on 10 August 2014, 16:16:09
You are only a true professional once you learn which bits of equipment to hit to make them work ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 10 August 2014, 16:49:06
You are only a true professional once you learn which bits of equipment to hit to make them work ;)

And how hard?   :D :D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Danny252 on 10 August 2014, 18:00:42
Oh yes, the lighter the better! It's always fun to impress people by giving a bit of kit an odd look and the lightest of taps to make it work.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 11 August 2014, 03:03:49
Well, sometimes you gotta put a little force into it. There was an old TV at my school, occasionally used in class for watching movies, and it frequently malfunctioned - the whole screen would turn blue.
The first time this happened, I got up, walked over to the TV and whacked it on the side - and that did the job! It came back on again.
On that day, the class gave me the job of giving the TV a few good whacks when it started acting up.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 14 August 2014, 15:30:10
I've come back to the Pioneer until the OW problem with sending me to the wrong pages on the Concord is fixed. I am on board for March 08, 1911. It seems that the air temperatures are in degrees C! The max temperature observed was 14C and the minimum was 10.5. (In Fahrenheit that's 57/51). I looked up the historic temperatures for San Francisco for that date, and there were two stations reporting max/min temperatures for that day:

Considering that the daily max temperature is always as high or higher than the highest hourly reading, and the daily min temperature is always as low or lower than the lowest hourly reading, I think this is really neat.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 14 August 2014, 15:37:59
I've come back to the Pioneer until the OW problem with sending me to the wrong pages on the Concord is fixed. I am on board for March 08, 1911. It seems that the air temperatures are in degrees C! The max temperature observed was 14C and the minimum was 10.5. (In Fahrenheit that's 57/51). I looked up the historic temperatures for San Francisco for that date, and there were two stations reporting max/min temperatures for that day:
  • Berkely - 57/47; and,
  • Oakland - 61/48

Considering that the daily max temperature is always as high or higher than the highest hourly reading, and the daily min temperature is always as low or lower than the lowest hourly reading, I think this is really neat.


Ooops. I'm on Patterson, not Pioneer. Bad aiming with cursor...    :-[
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 23 August 2014, 07:07:18
Sometime the position of the Pioneer takes as long to transcribe as the weather data  :(  Good thing Firefox has auto completion.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2016%20-%20January-March,%201926/IMG_9335_0.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 23 August 2014, 07:34:52
gastcra (Craig) passes the 500 mark!
gastcra (Craig) passes the 750 mark!
gastcra (Craig) passes the 1000 mark!
gastcra (Craig) passes the 1500 mark!
gastcra (Craig) passes the 2000 mark!
gastcra (Craig) passes the 2500 mark!


 :-[
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 23 August 2014, 07:36:13
jil passes the 1500 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 23 August 2014, 07:41:50
I know you've been very busy, Randi. You didn't have to list all my milestones  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 23 August 2014, 08:34:14
Good work, Craig. It's great to have you on board.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 23 August 2014, 11:13:21
Sometime the position of the Pioneer takes as long to transcribe as the weather data  :(  Good thing Firefox has auto completion.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2016%20-%20January-March,%201926/IMG_9335_0.jpg

But they don't seem to know that the position part of the log at the bottom of the page exists - I can't remember the last time I had a latitude or longitude to enter. .....  :o
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 23 August 2014, 12:46:59
I agree, Helen. A lat/long is worth (almost) a 1000 words.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 23 August 2014, 14:47:20
They would certainly be easier to interpret than many of the locations - however I have improved my geography of Oregon lately through hunting down where they are ....

Good to have you on board - our percentage done should be moving up a bit faster than it has been lately with only me working on her.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kathy on 23 August 2014, 22:14:51
I've done some work on her, I 'ave!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 24 August 2014, 06:27:23
I am glad to join you both!  :)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 August 2014, 17:02:32
gastcra (Craig) passes the 3000 mark!



 :o
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 25 August 2014, 04:38:22
And we're 60% complete - yeah!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 25 August 2014, 07:05:53
And you got us up to July 4. No point working on a public holiday  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 25 August 2014, 08:40:12
I was wondering if he was writing "So" in the weather column but I think it must be "do", abbr. for ditto?

Should I put in dittos or will Philip figure it out?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2018%20-%20July-September,%201926/IMG_9482_0.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 25 August 2014, 08:53:59
do would be correct TWYS, but I think it would also be OK to convert it to ".

I will notify Philip and see what he prefers.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 25 August 2014, 11:05:00
And you got us up to July 4. No point working on a public holiday  ;D
That was my excuse for stopping there  ;)

I do hope that 'do' is OK, I've put that on some WR. Didn't think to check  ::)
 
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 25 August 2014, 14:59:04
It's TWYS, so that should be fine - in fact it may well be preferable to changing it to a quotation mark ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 27 August 2014, 10:32:54
gastcra (Craig) passes the 4000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 27 August 2014, 10:57:46
The Pioneer spend some time at anchor off Seaside Oregon. I went there for a summer vacation with my family in the 50s. I don't remember why, but after one night in a motel we decided to go back home. I am sure Seaside is a great place but all I have to remember it by is a picture of my cousin standing in front of the motel beside our light blue Chevy.  ::)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 27 August 2014, 12:49:18
It's a regular port of call - you'll definitely be back, and have a chance to make up for that aborted holiday!  :D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 27 August 2014, 17:01:37
I'll put on some suntan lotion in anticipation  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 27 August 2014, 17:08:53
You might wanna get some cool shades like I did  8)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 28 August 2014, 08:15:13
Beware when entering temps, LEAVE A SPACE between the Dry and Water entries.
(I have just corrected over 350 entries where I entered the temps next to each other.  :-[  )

This is the first ship I have done where they regularly enter the water temp even in port. also looks like they do not have a wet bulb.

I have been making the same mistake and just realized it. HOWEVER, I wonder if what appears to be water temperature is really wet bulb? I have three reasons to think this:

I really do think the "water" is the wet bulb but I will record it in water from now on unless told otherwise.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 28 August 2014, 08:20:38
Thanks for the note.

Yes: record it in water from now on unless told otherwise.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 28 August 2014, 13:05:42
When you reach January 1929 you'll find that the water temperature disappears - so you need to leave two spaces between the air temp and the weather code - just to keep us all on our toes!

But when you reach 24th January a very odd thing happens - the water temperature restarts half way through the day - and the temps don't make any sense.  At 12 noon the air temperature is 63 and there's no water temperature; at 4pm the air temperature is 15 and the water temperature 14 .... !!!  :o  Might be worth notifying the scientists.  Meanwhile I'll carry on TWIS.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 28 August 2014, 13:22:37
Thanks for the warning, Helen. It usually takes me a few pages to get used to changes like that. My fingers don't like change.  ;D

Just to support my observation that the Pioneer water temperature is really wet bulb, I have looked at pages from two ships in the month of September. The Jamestown 1879 is off of Mare Is. California and the Pioneer is off of Astoria, Oregon. The Pioneer shows the "water" temp always equal to or slightly below the air temp throughout the day and night but the Jamestown shows the water temperature exceeding the air temperature at night. I have transcribed over a year's worth of Pioneer logs and I have not seen the "water" temperature exceed the air temperature more than one would expect if the "water" temp is really the wet bulb temp. When it does happen it appears to be random.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 28 August 2014, 13:40:00
Beware when entering temps, LEAVE A SPACE between the Dry and Water entries.
(I have just corrected over 350 entries where I entered the temps next to each other.  :-[  )

This is the first ship I have done where they regularly enter the water temp even in port. also looks like they do not have a wet bulb.

I have been making the same mistake and just realized it. HOWEVER, I wonder if what appears to be water temperature is really wet bulb? I have three reasons to think this:
  • I have done about 5000 WRs and the "water" temperature is almost always lower than the dry temp
  • Sometimes there is a notation in the margin indicating the water temp. even when there are 24 WRs with "water" recorded. Why would they bother? 
  • As Stuart points out "water" temperature is recorded even while in port. This is very unusual, but one would expect wet bulb in port

I really do think the "water" is the wet bulb but I will record it in water from now on unless told otherwise.
Aaargh! Me too - who reads the column headings anyway  ::)

Examples of pages where they have written the water temp to the right of the table that I had recently.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2019%20-%20October-December,%201926/IMG_9587_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2019%20-%20October-December,%201926/IMG_9580_0.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 28 August 2014, 13:53:12
Ah yes - the water/wet bulb problem. I ran into that too.

Think I may have made a few mistakes, but can't remember where or when - I did, however, always follow TWYS, no matter what the numbers said.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 28 August 2014, 14:03:49
Your Oct. 20 example supports my contention, Jil, but the Oct. 27 example doesn't. 

For Oct 20 the "water" temp at 6 AM is recorded as 54 degrees but at the right it says 60 degrees, which is beyond the range in the "water" temp. column.
For Oct 27 the 4 AM "water" temp is 59 degrees, which exceeds the air temp. of 53. The water temp on the right is 55.2, which is within the range of temps. given in the "water" column.

We'll have to get a few more examples where they give the time of the water temp. reading.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 28 August 2014, 14:23:58
That sort of thing is why Pioneer is a 3-star ship ::)

http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3341.msg53914#msg53914
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 28 August 2014, 14:47:37
Hmm, I guess we should leave it to experienced transcribers, then.  :D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 28 August 2014, 14:50:22
Experienced transcribers check column headings when they start a new log ;) ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 28 August 2014, 14:58:49
I suspect that in January 1929 they may have changed from F to C, as the temps are now mainly single figures or in the teens - at least it's consistent so the scientists should notice OK.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 28 August 2014, 15:30:27
Experienced transcribers check column headings when they start a new log ;) ;D

I guess that excludes me, then.  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 28 August 2014, 16:39:12
I suspect that in January 1929 they may have changed from F to C, as the temps are now mainly single figures or in the teens - at least it's consistent so the scientists should notice OK.
Patterson was recording air temperatures in Celsius way back in 1911!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Danny252 on 28 August 2014, 16:48:37
Looking through some Pioneer logs, it seems the ship popped over to San Francisco around December 1926. Having been sat in SF Bay for the winter of 1900/01 on the Albatross, I'd like to say I'm pretty knowledgable with the temperatures typical of the area!

This Pioneer Page (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2019%20-%20October-December,%201926/IMG_9650_0.jpg) shows the "Water Temperature" dipping into the mid-30s - I can't recall ever having seen the water temperature in SF below 45. This Albatross page (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol038of055/vol038of055_044_0.jpg) shows a very similar day, and temperature pattern recorded on the Pioneer matches up almost perfectly with the Albatross' Wet Bulb temperatures.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 28 August 2014, 17:01:57
Thanks, Danny. That's an interesting comparison.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 28 August 2014, 17:24:19
Definitely very suggestive!

But until Philip says otherwise, please continue to TWYS ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 28 August 2014, 18:06:35
Or type what we should have seen?  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 28 August 2014, 18:16:25
Experienced transcribers check column headings when they start a new log ;) ;D
Yes, then when they have a few months off forget to check again.  :-[
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 29 August 2014, 03:20:53
 ;D

I had that with Jamestown (1844) (column headings are generally A and W only occasionally is water spelled out) :-[





I apologize if I have offended some with my comments on reading the column headings and belaboring TWYS :'(
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 29 August 2014, 03:50:13
Transcribing this morning muttering (hopefully not quite aloud!) 'water temp, water temp, its water temp'.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 29 August 2014, 07:10:54
My mind is willing but my fingers are weak  ;D

No problem, Randi. I understand that you were just trying to keep the record straight for others. You knew that Jil and I were sufficiently humiliated  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 29 August 2014, 07:43:45
Only experienced transcribers with nerves of steel should read the rest of the message ;)



I thought the subject had come up before here, but it was in Patterson.
There is a series of messages...

Interestingly, in the examples they are using C for air/water and F for attached thermometer. In one they are in Panama and the values are in the 20s for the former and 80s for the latter (and a bit high as one might expect inside the ship). Absent other evidence I would accept what they say they're measuring is the fact. Further, I can imagine why, in the foggier parts of Alaska, and with field parties going out frequently in remote areas, they would be more interested in wet/dry temps. These can be used to anticipate when fog will form - an easy operation using a table in Bowditch / Am. Practical Navigator - and thus predict on the cooling side of the day when field parties should be recalled before getting socked-in.

The question has come up in a Patterson 1912 log.  Are they measuring sea water or wet bulb for humidity?  Randi and I are making different guesses, and as neither of us is a climatologist or a sailor, I though we'd better ask.

http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg64669#msg64669
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 29 August 2014, 08:26:55
That's interesting, Randi. We are not the only ones to wonder about this question.

One another subject, the Pioneer received supplies from Newell Hardware in Oakland in 1927. My dad worked for them about that time.  If it's the same one it was later called Marshall Newell Supply Co. He had been in the merchant marines before he settled down and became a land lubber.

Here's something interesting for me - my dad worked for Newell Hdw. in San Francisco between about 1925 and 1936. He might have been the one who filled this order!

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2020%20-%20January-March,%201927/IMG_9667_0.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 29 August 2014, 08:28:42
I've stopped being surprised at the amazing connections which turn up all over this project - but this one is especially wonderful.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 29 August 2014, 08:41:27
 ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 29 August 2014, 09:33:16
Now I am hoping for photocopies of invoices - they're no longer a nuisance  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kathy on 29 August 2014, 09:39:52
THAT WOULD BE SOOOOOO COOL!  8) if it were your dad...
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 31 August 2014, 04:12:04
gastcra (Craig) passes the 5000 mark!
gastcra (Craig) passes the 6000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 31 August 2014, 04:13:25
jil passes the 2000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 31 August 2014, 14:38:16
On February 26th 1929 Pioneer starts recording temps in Fahrenheit again, after a while in Centigrade - no idea why.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2027%20-%20January-March,%201929/IMG_0411_0.jpg

Perhaps the scientists need to know?
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 31 August 2014, 14:50:45
They know to check the Discussion topics ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 31 August 2014, 15:53:33
Thanks, Randi - I had a vague feeling that was the case.  Though it may be of use to the other transcribers coming up fast behind me as well!   ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 31 August 2014, 18:53:52
Yes, if we remember to check the discussion topics  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 01 September 2014, 04:55:40
 ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 01 September 2014, 08:53:19
August 11, 1927 Surface water temperature recorded in right margin: 10.2 C = 50.4 F

Water temperature in Water column is 54-55 F

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2021%20-%20July-September,%201927/IMG_9799_0.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 01 September 2014, 09:50:29
11:00 AM surface water temp 15.4 C = 60 F

11 AM "Water" temp = 60 F

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2021%20-%20July-September,%201927/IMG_9803_0.jpg




Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 01 September 2014, 10:05:30
When I did the Pioneer, I always recorded the surface temperature as "Event:Other".

For example:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2021%20-%20July-September,%201927/IMG_9803_0.jpg

Quote
Surface water temperature = 15.4 C at 11 am
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 01 September 2014, 10:31:25
I am doing this too, Hanibal. But I am now keeping a spreadsheet of these temperatures for a while to see if how often they are different from what is posted under the "water" temp. I will post it on the Forum when I have enough observations.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 01 September 2014, 15:07:21
I was wondering if he was writing "So" in the weather column but I think it must be "do", abbr. for ditto?

Should I put in dittos or will Philip figure it out?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2018%20-%20July-September,%201926/IMG_9482_0.jpg

Philip says:
I'd rather have TWYS - 'do' please.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 01 September 2014, 16:16:19
jil passes the 2500 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 September 2014, 08:58:56
gastcra (Craig) passes the 7000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 04 September 2014, 16:38:33
gastcra (Craig) passes the 8000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 06 September 2014, 04:19:11
65% complete - go team!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 06 September 2014, 07:26:29
wendolk (Kathy)

Welcome back (again) (again) !


 :-*
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kathy on 06 September 2014, 08:17:29
 ;D :-*
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 06 September 2014, 12:54:00
It is so encouraging to have some company on Pioneer!  It's been rather lonely since hanibal finished his voyage .... :(
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 06 September 2014, 16:37:09
Yes, it is fun to have some company, Helen (and Kathy and Jil).
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: tastiger on 06 September 2014, 20:31:12
Yes, it is fun to have some company, Helen (and Kathy and Jil).
And since it seems like this ship has the least amount of weather readings needed (according to Hanibal's guestimations) I might as well jump on too. It's either this or Perry (and I'm waiting for something to pass on Patterson) and it's probably best to leave that easy-to-read log for newbies.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 06 September 2014, 22:32:42
Great, Tastiger. Welcome aboard. 8)

We in the third stream may have to coordinate our sessions so we don't bump into each other. I usually transcribe between about 11 AM and 3 PM GMT.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: tastiger on 06 September 2014, 23:27:21
Great, Tastiger. Welcome aboard. 8)

We in the third stream may have to coordinate our sessions so we don't bump into each other. I usually transcribe between about 11 AM and 3 PM GMT.
I'm in college (university for British readers) so my commitment time may be sporadic, so I may throw my hat in anytime between 7:30PM and 4AM GMT (that's 2:30PM-11:00PM). (This is a big interval so I'm open to change it as other people throw out their times. Plus if I notice I'm skipping pages, I can use it as an incentive to switch to homework and come back later. :) )
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 07 September 2014, 05:09:48
And since it seems like this ship has the least amount of weather readings needed (according to Hanibal's guestimations) I might as well jump on too.

Nice to see you're on board too!

Erm, no. Actually, my guestimations are a bit misleading in this case because the Pioneer has 24 WR/day EVERY SINGLE DAY from around March 22nd - December 31st, 1935.
But since these logs are the very last ones, it's gonna take a long time for anyone to get to them, so it'll take a while before my guestimations become more accurate.
I believe a more accurate value would be around 185.000 WR for all three streams, give or take a few thousand.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: tastiger on 07 September 2014, 10:57:27
And since it seems like this ship has the least amount of weather readings needed (according to Hanibal's guestimations) I might as well jump on too.

Nice to see you're on board too!

Erm, no. Actually, my guestimations are a bit misleading in this case because the Pioneer has 24 WR/day EVERY SINGLE DAY from around March 22nd - December 31st, 1935.
But since these logs are the very last ones, it's gonna take a long time for anyone to get to them, so it'll take a while before my guestimations become more accurate.
I believe a more accurate value would be around 185.000 WR for all three streams, give or take a few thousand.

Meh, whatever, need a ship anyways. :)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 07 September 2014, 11:31:59
gastcra (Craig) passes the 9000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 September 2014, 14:34:25
gastcra (Craig) passes the 10000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 10 September 2014, 09:52:04
This guy has gone quote crazy. It's keyboard steeplechase trying to get them all in the right place!

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2026%20-%20July-September,%201928/IMG_0292_0.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 September 2014, 15:23:45
helenj (Helen J) passes the 25,000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 14 September 2014, 15:28:14
Way to go, Helen!  8)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 14 September 2014, 16:03:55
Thank you, Randi and Craig!  Though I can feel Craig snapping at my heels ....  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 14 September 2014, 16:08:21
Alright Helen!  :) :D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 14 September 2014, 18:31:13
If I am snapping at your heals, Helen, it is thanks to all the others who have contributed to the 3rd stream. I have still only done half the WRs you have done.

(I am beginning June 1928 now.)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 15 September 2014, 07:50:17
On February 26th 1929 Pioneer starts recording temps in Fahrenheit again, after a while in Centigrade - no idea why.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2027%20-%20January-March,%201929/IMG_0411_0.jpg

Perhaps the scientists need to know?


Quote
Lost centigrade thermometer while taking temperature

June 7 1928

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2028%20-%20April-June,%201928/IMG_0524_0.jpg

But I guess they had a spare or they converted from F because the following day the recorded in C again.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 September 2014, 04:21:39
jil passes the 3000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 19 September 2014, 08:40:07
gastcra (Craig) passes the 15000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 20 September 2014, 03:45:26
And 70% complete - woot!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 20 September 2014, 08:20:52
Never thought I'd see the day! 
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 28 September 2014, 14:16:48
gastcra (Craig) passes the 20000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 30 September 2014, 03:56:12
wendolk (Kathy) passes the 750 mark!



 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 30 September 2014, 07:03:37
Every little bit helps ... don't give  up Kathy  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kathy on 30 September 2014, 12:24:20
There are hares, and then there are tortoises...  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 30 September 2014, 13:13:55
... and then there are ship history enthusiasts  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 30 September 2014, 16:10:22
And there are speed freaks  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 02 October 2014, 13:45:52
Something amusing I noticed while updating the crew lists:
On December 26th, 1930, a man with the last name of Alexander, a first name starting with U and a middle name starting with S joined the ship:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2035%20-%20October-December,%201930/IMG_1244_0.jpg

In other words, this guy's full initials would be "U.S.A."!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 02 October 2014, 19:10:21
 ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 03 October 2014, 08:39:24
Is it possible that the officers and 2/3 crew observed half holiday because it was Valentines Day?  It was Feb. 14, 1931

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2036%20-%20January-March,%201931/IMG_1301_1.jpg

I wonder if they gave each other Valentines cards  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 03 October 2014, 09:24:15
Maybe they did - the only other possibility would be Statehood Day for Arizona and Oregon, but the Pioneer's in Hawaii (not even a state itself yet!), so I don't think that's it.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 03 October 2014, 09:37:52
Roses are red and violets are blue
My girlfriend's back home so you'll have to do.
Please be my valentine.  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 04 October 2014, 13:07:08
75%  8)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 04 October 2014, 13:33:20
75%  8)

HOORAY!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 04 October 2014, 13:47:11
YEAH!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 04 October 2014, 14:10:13
Wooo Hooo!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 04 October 2014, 14:25:16
Good Work!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 05 October 2014, 14:54:20
jil passes the 4000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 05 October 2014, 15:52:50
Way to go, Jil  8)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 12 October 2014, 15:06:46
jil passes the 5000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 15 October 2014, 15:04:21
gastcra (Craig) passes the 30,000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 18 October 2014, 04:29:10
80% complete - wow!!!!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 18 October 2014, 06:43:35
 8)

It was only 57% two months ago.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 18 October 2014, 06:48:42
You've done an excellent job, Craig. I am quite pleased to have you on board.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 18 October 2014, 07:06:57
Thanks, Hanibal.  Jil and Helen have been moving us along too.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 18 October 2014, 12:12:21
Here is a good indication that the position of the recorded WATER Temperature in the log indicates the time of the measurement. Sometimes the time is given explicitly but most often not.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2044%20-%20January-March,%201933/IMG_2112_0.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 18 October 2014, 12:12:53
Great to have reached 80% - really feels like we're on the home straight now  :D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 18 October 2014, 15:21:29
Not quite - unfortunately, the logs of around Mar 20th to December 31st 1935 have 24 WR/day ALL THE TIME.
So it'll take you some time to get through those.
But I made it, and so can you!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 18 October 2014, 16:01:43
And we're up to 81% already!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 October 2014, 08:31:54
jil passes the 6000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 October 2014, 08:37:47
wendolk (Kathy)


 ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 24 October 2014, 17:41:03
While updating the crew list, I ran into something that made me want to scream.

First, I came across a page where 3 guys get discharged at expiration of enlistment: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2047%20-%20October-December,%201933/IMG_0390_0.jpg

Knowing these guys would most likely get reshipped the next day, I opened the next page and found I was right - but another 3 guys got discharged for the same reason on that day! http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2047%20-%20October-December,%201933/IMG_0391_0.jpg

So I checked the next page, and the EXACT SAME THING happened: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2047%20-%20October-December,%201933/IMG_0392_0.jpg

Fortunately, it stopped on the next page. http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2047%20-%20October-December,%201933/IMG_0393_0.jpg


Because of this, I have decided not to do any more crew lists after the Pioneer's. Hers I will still finish, but after that, no more.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 24 October 2014, 17:44:51
You might just ignore the ones who flip flop like that, Hanibal. But, being a perfectionist, I guess you can't, eh?

Perhaps I'll do you a favour and not include them?  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 October 2014, 17:48:13
I note names in the crew list topics, but I don't do anything as fancy as what you are doing.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 24 October 2014, 17:51:47
You might just ignore the ones who flip flop like that, Hanibal. But, being a perfectionist, I guess you can't, eh?

Perhaps I'll do you a favour and not include them?  ;D

That would not be a favor, Craig, because there are a few cases where they don't come back.
These are very rare, but they still happen.
Besides, there's only 2 years and less than 2 months left. I can handle it - I just don't want to do any other ships after this one. It's not fun anymore.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 26 October 2014, 15:21:47
helenj (Helen J) hits the 30,000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 26 October 2014, 15:50:51
Thank you Randi - I was pretty impressed when I found I had hit it so precisely - I thought I needed to leave it there for a bit just to see if anyone noticed ....  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 26 October 2014, 16:04:41
I'm glad I didn't miss it, Helen. Nice work!  8)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 27 October 2014, 02:38:14
Wow, nice one Helen!  8) 8)
I've had precise cases like that before, but I was always too impatient to wait for someone to notice  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 27 October 2014, 04:25:17
Well done, Helen!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 27 October 2014, 06:44:04
The crew get ice cream for Christmas  :)

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2047%20-%20October-December,%201933/IMG_0439_0.jpg

The fact that the received it the very day makes me wonder what kind of refrigeration facilities they had on ships in 1933. I remember that we were still using an ice box in the early 50s.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 27 October 2014, 07:01:00
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1697.msg20203#msg20203
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3532.msg59201#msg59201
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 27 October 2014, 07:05:44
Great! Bunts is still around to answer our questions  ;D

It's puzzling why the Pioneer received ice cream on Christmas day, then.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 27 October 2014, 07:29:32
Perhaps Pioneer didn't have a fridge :-\
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 27 October 2014, 07:35:30
Probably. I can't imagine that it was because they ordered it on the spur of the moment.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 31 October 2014, 04:19:57
85% complete - yeah!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 31 October 2014, 09:06:15
jil passes the 7000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 31 October 2014, 09:07:13
eikwar passes the 1500 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 02 November 2014, 09:53:44
gastcra (Craig) passes the 40,000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 03 November 2014, 03:00:02
Great work Craig! You're a star.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 03 November 2014, 05:33:58
Congrats, Craig!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 03 November 2014, 07:30:31
Thanks Jil and Hanibal.

Won't be long now before it's done thanks to all of us.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 03 November 2014, 12:18:08
Congratulations Craig!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 03 November 2014, 16:20:50
Thanks, Helen and Randi too.

I now have 9 months of 24WRs left which makes about 6500 WRs in all so I won't get to 50,000 (but who's counting  ;D)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 November 2014, 14:30:39
jil passes the 8000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 09 November 2014, 17:42:56
 8) 8) 8)

Way to go, Jil.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 11 November 2014, 13:19:21
Pioneer is 90% complete!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 11 November 2014, 13:53:47
Yessss!  8) 8) 8)

The last 10% will be up to you and Jil (and any others that are working on her), Helen. I will have finished December 1935 tomorrow and that's the end of the Pioneer logs.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 11 November 2014, 13:58:03
Congratulations on being nearly there, Craig.  I'm sure Jil and I will make it - slow but steady that's us!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 12 November 2014, 04:04:49
Congratulations on being nearly there, Craig.  I'm sure Jil and I will make it - slow but steady that's us!
:) We're up to July 1931 so steady as she goes for a while yet!
And woo-hoo to 90%
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 12 November 2014, 04:16:37
Any chance I could persuade you two to quit ship history editing entirely - after finishing whatever you're working on right now, of course - until the Pioneer is finished?
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 12 November 2014, 06:41:46
Any chance I could persuade you two to quit ship history editing entirely - after finishing whatever you're working on right now, of course - until the Pioneer is finished?

Nope!  Pioneer isn't the most exciting ship, but I'm committed to getting her finished.  But to do that I need to have something else to work on when I need a break.  I think if I was just doing Pioneer, I would need to transcribe on another ship as well, so it wouldn't be any faster.  What we really need is a few more transcribers to help us over the finishing line.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 12 November 2014, 07:03:08
I was thinking that perhaps we could get Stuart back to help finish.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 12 November 2014, 07:26:38
Sorry Hanibal, I feel exactly the same as Helen.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 12 November 2014, 11:54:34
Very good, Kathy :-*
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 15 November 2014, 13:29:50
I must record a momentous event - on October 12th 1931, Pioneer has actually recorded a lat/long!  I can't remember the last time this happened.   ;D

And nice to see Stuart back on board and in action - the more the merrier.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 15 November 2014, 13:50:57
Yes, it was quite a surprise when I saw that, Helen. This is a lot easier to record than their long place descriptions.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 15 November 2014, 14:00:44
Absolutely - and it has continued (two more days anyway ...)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 15 November 2014, 16:05:29
I didn't want to spoil your surprise by telling you.  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 November 2014, 10:09:16
jil passes the 9000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 17 November 2014, 15:37:58
The second DEC 7 should be Dec 27.
Note they are not repeats.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2039%20-%20October-December,%201931/IMG_1620_0.jpg
https://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2039%20-%20October-December,%201931/IMG_1641_0.jpg
Do you want me to put 27 in place of 7?
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 November 2014, 15:46:44
No, please transcribe it as 7.
The science team should not have a problem figuring out that Dec. 27 followed Dec. 26 ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 17 November 2014, 15:53:23
OK
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Danny252 on 18 November 2014, 09:01:49
Philip Brohan posted on this subject a while back (link from the TWYS thread): http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=619.msg5363#msg5363
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 18 November 2014, 13:51:37
Thanks Danny.
So much gets posted I cannot keep up with it.
I was concerned that if the data went off the date then ALL my data would be wrong for that day not just a single entry.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 24 November 2014, 15:18:56
I've been working away on Pioneer for a couple of days, and entered data for the end of August, September and a chunk of October. I've noted that no-one has been: drunk; spitting out port holes; fighting; disobeying orders; using profane and offensive language; putting clothing in lucky bags; smoking when the smoking light was not on; eating before meal time; being slow to muster at quarters; being AWOL; etc. etc. etc.

What's wrong with the Pioneer's crew? Where's their sense of fun? All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.   ;)

Do you think my years on Concord has given me a distorted few of life on a ship?  ::)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 November 2014, 15:28:34
Perhaps it is because Pioneer is Coast and Geodetic Survey and not Navy?
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 24 November 2014, 15:44:59
People are AWOL quite a lot, actually. Look at the crew list - I entered them all myself.
We also had a few deserters in the early 20's, and a couple people who got discharged for bad behavior.
And I thought that was bad - your description of the Concord makes the Pioneer look like a church!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 24 November 2014, 16:08:39
Pioneer is pretty well behaved on the whole, though some do get discharged for 'inaptitude' ....  And hanibal's right - there's a steady little trickle of people going AWOL.  But there's rarely any mention of why they're AWOL, so they could be covering up all sorts of iniquity.

But yes, Concord does sound a fairly wild place!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 24 November 2014, 21:19:30
14 Nov 1932 and after almost three months, we discharge a drunk! On the Concord he would have been confined in double irons for 24 hours. Maybe the tougher penalty discourages crime after all!  ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 25 November 2014, 08:16:32
jil passes the 10000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 25 November 2014, 08:17:25
MAPurves passes the 1500 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 25 November 2014, 08:26:04
Bravo jil!!  8)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 25 November 2014, 11:12:43
Great work, Jil  8)

Good to see you pitching in, Michael.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 25 November 2014, 13:21:45
Thanks Hanibal & Craig!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 25 November 2014, 13:35:27
MAPurves passes the 1500 mark!

Pitching in for a few days until Stuart's PC is fixed and he can send me his crew lists, then I'll be back to the Concord. I have to admit, Hanibal's totals make me feel like a complete amateur.  :-[
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 25 November 2014, 16:38:07
MAPurves passes the 1500 mark!

Pitching in for a few days until Stuart's PC is fixed and he can send me his crew lists, then I'll be back to the Concord. I have to admit, Hanibal's totals make me feel like a complete amateur.  :-[

Join the club!  :D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 25 November 2014, 16:40:05
YES! This ship needs all the help she can get to reach the finish line, because none of OW's Awesome Foursome (Silvia, Craig, me, leelaht) are actively working on her.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 25 November 2014, 16:41:35
She's moving faster than I've ever known her, and I'm jumping a good distance every time I come back, which is really encouraging.  We're going to make it!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 25 November 2014, 20:16:04
You have increased by 3 percentage points since I finished a couple of weeks ago, so I think you are really moving along.  8)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 26 November 2014, 01:52:51
YES! This ship needs all the help she can get to reach the finish line, because none of OW's Awesome Foursome (Silvia, Craig, me, leelaht) are actively working on her.

Glad to hear that Michael and I are NOT in
the Awesum Foursome, no pressure on us.

 :P
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 26 November 2014, 05:35:21
 :)
And Team Third Stream make it to 1933 - woot!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 26 November 2014, 06:09:33
Great! You only got three years left now - December 31st 1935 is the last day.

Unfortunately, the logs from March 22nd - December 31st 1935 have 24 WR all the time.

But I have faith in you, Team Third Stream. I know you can do this!
If Craig and I each managed it on our own, how hard can it be for four of you working together?
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 26 November 2014, 08:15:57
:)
And Team Third Stream make it to 1933 - woot!

We are awesome!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Zovacor on 27 November 2014, 23:13:10
Hopping aboard. All hands on deck to get Pioneer into port by Christmas!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 28 November 2014, 05:14:47
Now THAT is something I would very VERY much like to see!
Get it done, crew! Your captain commands it!  ;D

And thanks for joining in, Zovacor!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 28 November 2014, 13:03:29
Welcome on board Zovacor!  All hands to the pumps ....
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 28 November 2014, 19:25:58
Well, I'm for a few days - administrative furlough - a child's birthday needs celebrating (if you can call someone 32 years old a child). When I return, I expect to be transferred by to the Concord. After all, there's an insurgency to contend with...

Mind you, you Young Pioneers seem to be doing well, and the end is in sight, so I'm sure you can cope with my absence.  ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 29 November 2014, 03:50:22
MAPurves passes the 2000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 29 November 2014, 03:52:14
Zovacor
Welcome to the top 12 !
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 29 November 2014, 06:56:02
While updating my guestimations, I noticed the following for the Pioneer:

Old value:  161.955/176.038 WR transcribed
New value: 165.084/175.621 WR transcribed

So at this rate, it is indeed possible for us to finish the ship before 2015 - but only if you all keep up a strong rate, especially because Mapurves is leaving and Stuart will follow him soon!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 29 November 2014, 11:24:16
Aye, aye, Captain!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 30 November 2014, 15:18:38
wendolk (Kathy) passes the 1000 mark!

(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_2593.gif)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 30 November 2014, 17:45:41
I thought it would never happen! Excellent work Kathy.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 01 December 2014, 13:15:27
Good to see you back, Kathy - hope you can stick with us until the end!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 02 December 2014, 05:23:41
95% complete - Go Team!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 02 December 2014, 14:07:21
95% complete - Go Team!

It's the last push .... (and it's been a long time coming)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 07 December 2014, 04:07:08
PommyStuart passes the 6000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 07 December 2014, 08:34:42
I'm cheering you on from the sidelines. Keep up the good work everyone!    8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Zovacor on 09 December 2014, 00:23:18
I was worried- I lay down that challenge and then have been absent since (furnace broke, infant got sick, etc.). Looks like we CAN actually get it done.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 December 2014, 04:50:34
Hope everything/everyone is OK now and that you are not too stressed out!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 09 December 2014, 17:58:24
Don't worry Zovacor - do what you can, and together we'll get there.  After ages when I always came back to the date where I'd finished, I'm just enjoying jumping ahead days or weeks every time I come back.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 09 December 2014, 18:29:27
Inspired by Zovacor I thought I ought to offer to 'Pioneer' for a bit folks.  That OK with the Patterson-ites?
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 09 December 2014, 19:49:39
We Pioneer-ites would be ecstatic  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 10 December 2014, 03:05:55
I approve in full, Joan!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 10 December 2014, 07:17:23
Cor - and I thought that the Patterson was house-proud:

Rec'd from Sell Right M'k't stores deck dept: 1cs Soap Powder; 12pk. Sani Flush; 24 ca - Sunbright Cleanser; 1cs Brilliantshine

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2047%20-%20October-December,%201933/IMG_0432_0.jpg

Sunglasses on then!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 10 December 2014, 07:42:12
Please could someone let me know what to do with the lat and long noted in the margin on this page...don't know if its observed or dead reckoning. Shall I just put it in events pls?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2047%20-%20October-December,%201933/IMG_0433_0.jpg

Thanks,
Joan
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 10 December 2014, 07:45:22
It should definitely go on the Location tab. It is harder to decide if it is Observed or DR. Philip has said just to guess and not to worry about guessing wrong.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: propriome on 10 December 2014, 07:56:36
They're the same as Observed lat&long in the bottom box, so i think they could be probably entered as observed.



For the Brilliantshine and Sunbrite cleanser, sunglasses are on 8) ;D :
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxNTQ3/z/RzYAAOSwdsFUOptO/$_57.JPG)  (http://file.vintageadbrowser.com/bsch59c6amtrq7.jpg)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 10 December 2014, 08:14:05
 :-[ Good point! ;D
Since they are duplicates maybe they don't even need to be entered :-\
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 10 December 2014, 08:24:31
Yes, it is a duplicate so it doesn't need to be entered.

It should definitely go on the Location tab. It is harder to decide if it is Observed or DR. Philip has said just to guess and not to worry about guessing wrong.

Personally, I use Observed if the date is 1940 or later, and DR for earlier than 1940.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 10 December 2014, 08:26:45
It should definitely go on the Location tab. It is harder to decide if it is Observed or DR. Philip has said just to guess and not to worry about guessing wrong.

Grand.  Thanks. A day or so later they indicate that those obs are 'observed'. So if that is wrong it's Pioneer's fault ( ;) :D )
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 10 December 2014, 08:55:03
From Joan's post, I have learned that stream 3 is currently at December 1933.
After this, there are still 24 months left - so if you guys wanna finish the ship by 2015, you'll gonna have to do more than a month of logs every day.
Plus, Mar 22nd - Dec 31st 1935 has 24 WR all the time, even when in port.

Gotta admit, I have even considered getting a second Zooniverse account just so I can finish this ship off myself... The only reason I haven't is because of the danger of leapfrogging.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 10 December 2014, 09:02:12
From Joan's post, I have learned that stream 3 is currently at December 1933.
After this, there are still 24 months left - so if you guys wanna finish the ship by 2015, you'll gonna have to do more than a month of logs every day.
Plus, Mar 22nd - Dec 31st 1935 has 24 WR all the time, even when in port.

Gotta admit, I have even considered getting a second Zooniverse account just so I can finish this ship off myself...

( :o :o :o ) What date were you aiming for for completion pls?
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 10 December 2014, 09:19:35
I was hoping to have it done by January 1st, 2015.
So in other words, the absolute latest would be 11:59 pm, December 31st 2014.

But with Stuart and Michael gone, it's looking very unlikely.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 10 December 2014, 09:37:15
 :(  oh well - let's see where we get to. Perhaps Valentine's Day would be more do-able? It's a relief from Mr Joachim's ink-free scrawl at any rate.  ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 10 December 2014, 10:06:48
Valentine's Day sounds like a good idea.
Too much pressure is not fun and can cause errors.

P.S. With everyone(?) in the third stream you may want to coordinate transcribing times :-\
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 10 December 2014, 10:28:17
They're the same as Observed lat&long in the bottom box, so i think they could be probably entered as observed.



For the Brilliantshine and Sunbrite cleanser, sunglasses are on 8) ;D :
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxNTQ3/z/RzYAAOSwdsFUOptO/$_57.JPG)  (http://file.vintageadbrowser.com/bsch59c6amtrq7.jpg)

Excellent! ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 10 December 2014, 13:00:02
Valentine's Day sounds like a good idea.
Too much pressure is not fun and can cause errors.

P.S. With everyone(?) in the third stream you may want to coordinate transcribing times :-\

Welcome, Joan!  I'm mainly transcribing early evenings at the moment - while listening to PM on Radio 4 pretty regularly, and sometimes later in the evening as well.  Though from time to time other activities get in the way ....
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 10 December 2014, 13:04:20

P.S. With everyone(?) in the third stream you may want to coordinate transcribing times :-\
Yes I was thinking that would be a good idea, otherwise we could just duplicate effort and not actually go forward any faster.

I generally transcribe between about 8am and 10am GMT (although I'm afraid not the full 2 hours!), but that's just a habit I've got into so I could be flexible.

(And I'm about to start ship history editing to PM!)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 10 December 2014, 13:19:33
And we've reached 1934, and 96% - real progress.  Well done, crew!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 10 December 2014, 13:20:40
Hello ladies,
I've got to admit that I've never quite understood about coordinating transcribing times. I'm pretty much all over the shop at the moment - more reliably mid evening I guess 6-8 pm ish.
Yrs,
Confused of Kidlington  ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kathy on 10 December 2014, 13:27:26
Really - coordinating data entry times?!  This is becoming too much like my job.  :o
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 10 December 2014, 13:44:45
Sad  :'( I bumped Asterix off the bottom of the top 12 chart. Wish Asterix was still active.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 10 December 2014, 14:03:41
I think the idea of co-ordinating transcription times is so that at least while actually transcribing we don't end up jumping pages, but can get a run of them.  I can see that it could be a good idea, especially on ships where we might be transcribing a lot of the events pages, where missing part of the story, or getting the weather page but not the events (or vice versa) might make it all more difficult.
But on Pioneer, where on the whole nothing much happens except surveying and I for one don't transcribe much off the events pages at all, I don't think it matters much.  Jumping may sometimes be a bit of a problem with locations, as some logkeepers have much more legible writing than others, and it can be helpful to get the next page so as to see where they are (and go back if necessary).  But I think most of us probably know how to manipulate the page numbers to see the next page anyway.  :D
I'd rather we got the ship finished than be too tidy about exactly how!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 10 December 2014, 14:50:27
I quite agree Helen...if I need to fill in the story gaps I usually do that as a past-time activity so as not to get too distracted from the weather. But as you say, over and above the delights of noting that the wardroom got a new table cloth just in time for Christmas (!?!) let's hope it stayed ice-cream-free, there's little to report of substance.  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 11 December 2014, 06:26:37
It's not jumping so much that's the issue but you end up transcribing the same page. When you start transcribing (or request another page) you get the next page that's not been completed. If someone else is already transcribing that will be the page they are currently working on. So we end up with a fourth transciption of the pages rather than going forward faster.

Meanwhile back on the ship someone had a bad day and deleted all the weather and re-writen each line. Unfortunately  ;) I have to go and do something else now.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2048%20-%20January-March,%201934/IMG_0480_0.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 11 December 2014, 06:32:38
Ohhhh! That I didn't realise that 'conflict' at all jil. Hummm.. that would be really annoying, wasting our efforts.  Should I defer doing Pioneer for a couple of days...or would it be sensible for us to 'log in' using this page so we know if we are likely to be bumping into each other? :-\

I just got to that page of mistakes...well at least they knew what day of the week it was: ;D
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/909/wygfgj.jpg)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 11 December 2014, 08:43:33
I suggest the following: When you log into OW itself to transcribe the Pioneer, log into the forum as well, go to this topic and leave it open in a separate tab while transcribing.
That way, you will be visible in the "Who's Online" thingy at the bottom of the page.
So if you see one of your comrades down there, and it shows them as viewing this topic, that means they are currently working on the Pioneer so it would be wise for you to do something else.
This ain't a perfect plan because the "Who's Online" thing doesn't update itself instantly, but it's the best I can come up with.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 11 December 2014, 09:21:58
I may be messing up Hanibal's plan here as I'm in this topic but not transcribing - so I'll be quick!

Joan, that's very brave tackling that horrible page. I've come back from my shopping and a fit of guilt at stopping there made me think about having a go but if you've done it, I'll just say a big

Thank You
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 11 December 2014, 10:59:16
It's done jil - and you are more than welcome. it was less painful to do, than to get the clip-round-the-ear-hole that was probably delivered to the one that wrote on the wrong page. ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 11 December 2014, 11:35:55
I suggest the following: When you log into OW itself to transcribe the Pioneer, log into the forum as well, go to this topic and leave it open in a separate tab while transcribing.
That way, you will be visible in the "Who's Online" thingy at the bottom of the page.
So if you see one of your comrades down there, and it shows them as viewing this topic, that means they are currently working on the Pioneer so it would be wise for you to do something else.
This ain't a perfect plan because the "Who's Online" thing doesn't update itself instantly, but it's the best I can come up with.

That's a good idea! Cheers Hanibal.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 11 December 2014, 11:38:11
I suggest the following: When you log into OW itself to transcribe the Pioneer, log into the forum as well, go to this topic and leave it open in a separate tab while transcribing.
That way, you will be visible in the "Who's Online" thingy at the bottom of the page.
So if you see one of your comrades down there, and it shows them as viewing this topic, that means they are currently working on the Pioneer so it would be wise for you to do something else.
This ain't a perfect plan because the "Who's Online" thing doesn't update itself instantly, but it's the best I can come up with.

That's a good idea! Cheers Hanibal.

Does this still work if you've logged into the forum but are not working on Pioneer?  I always begin whatever I'm doing on OW by logging onto the forum, as I know I'll need it before long, so I could be here and visible but not working on Pioneer.  Or have I misunderstood something?
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 11 December 2014, 11:45:41
I suggest the following: When you log into OW itself to transcribe the Pioneer, log into the forum as well, go to this topic and leave it open in a separate tab while transcribing.
That way, you will be visible in the "Who's Online" thingy at the bottom of the page.
So if you see one of your comrades down there, and it shows them as viewing this topic, that means they are currently working on the Pioneer so it would be wise for you to do something else.
This ain't a perfect plan because the "Who's Online" thing doesn't update itself instantly, but it's the best I can come up with.

That's a good idea! Cheers Hanibal.

Does this still work if you've logged into the forum but are not working on Pioneer?  I always begin whatever I'm doing on OW by logging onto the forum, as I know I'll need it before long, so I could be here and visible but not working on Pioneer.  Or have I misunderstood something?

Okay, so my idea is that if you're working on the Pioneer, you go to this topic (Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments). If you're not working on the Pioneer, go to a different part of the forum.
And if you're not working on the Pioneer but want to post something here or read other people's posts, do it as quickly as possible and leave the topic at once when you're done.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 11 December 2014, 12:42:50
Smart idea - thanks!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 11 December 2014, 13:29:53
Still don't get this - if I'm in a particular topic I don't have a list of who else is there on the screen.  I only get that if I'm on the main index page of the forum.  Is there something I need to enable to make this visible?
In the meantime, I'm keeping an eye on the numbers of Pioneer's home page and hoping this will show me if anyone else is transcribing ...
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 11 December 2014, 13:58:56
I don't get it either! And I'm usually loitering somewhere in the Forum while Ship's History Editing as well as when transcribing.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 11 December 2014, 14:03:12
Oh, I'm glad it's not just me being dense!  Perhaps it would be easier simply to 'log in' here in this thread - and say we're now transcribing.  Although that won't help with any of the other people who might turn up to do a few pages.  So - I've just finished my hour for today and am now off to shore for the evening!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 11 December 2014, 14:05:03
The idea of my plan is to let you see whether other people are already doing the Pioneer when you log into OW.
But if you're working on her yourself, there's no need to keep track of who else is online, and no need to constantly look at the discussion - just keep it open in a separate browser tab, so other people can see you are already working on her.
You only need to keep track if you're not working on the Pioneer, but someone else is.



In case you didn't know: Clicking on the words underlined in red in the attachment will let you see who else is online and what they are doing.

If you are transcribing the Pioneer, go to this topic and stay here until you're done transcribing.
If you are doing something else, go to a different part of the forum.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 11 December 2014, 14:08:24
I think those who don't want to set time schedules for themselves need to say, "I'm glad they enjoy this" and go on doing whatever they want, letting this conversation drop.  Those who enjoy this scheduling should carry on setting their own personal schedule until they are satisfied while telling everyone else they understand the difference and will work around it.  This can be a nice example of agreeing to disagree.  Too much looseness can be just as annoying to some as too much organization can be to others.

Remember two things: 
     Those transcribers who don't read the forum are going to mess up schedules anyway. 
     And those transcribers who don't read the forum are going to give comfort in numbers to those who don't want to schedule.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 11 December 2014, 14:10:40
Aha, that was the missing piece of the jigsaw!  No, I didn't know that - I thought it just told you who was logged into the forum, not what they were doing as well.  I can see how this works now - thanks hanibal.

Though I quite agree with Janet that we need not to get tangled up in this too much - as she says, it only works for those who know about the system in the first place ....  I'm not going to be too exercised about it.  If we do the odd page 4 times instead of 3 it's not the end of the world.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 11 December 2014, 15:38:48
AvastMH
Welcome to the top 12 !
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 11 December 2014, 15:45:52
Awww  -geee -thanks!  :)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 11 December 2014, 15:51:04
I've heard it all now:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2048%20-%20January-March,%201934/IMG_0500_0.jpg
'Ship turned over officially to Winslow Marine Railway Shipbuilding Co. to start repairs.'

'Marine Railway Shipbuilding'?

Yrs,
Confused of transport methods
(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_6657.gif)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 11 December 2014, 16:07:29
Thanks for that Hanibal, you do learn something new every day on OW. Hope I won't get distracted checking what everone else is up to. :)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 11 December 2014, 16:10:06
A new bit of a ship for me:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2048%20-%20January-March,%201934/IMG_0501_1.jpg
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/fidley
fidley [′fid?lē]
(naval architecture)
Also spelled fiddley.
A wide opening above a fire room through which pass ventilators.
A framework of iron about the ladder of a hatch in a ship's deck leading below the deck.

Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 11 December 2014, 16:30:08
For what it's worth:
Quote from: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3209.msg95472#msg95472
"The patent slip or Marine Railway was invented[1] by Scot Thomas Morton[2] in 1818 as a cheaper alternative to a dry dock for ship repair. It consisted of an inclined plane, which extended well into the water, and a wooden cradle onto which a ship was floated. The ship was then attached to the cradle and hauled out of the water up the slip." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_slip



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winslow_Marine_Railway_and_Shipbuilding_Company ;D

Whatever question is asked here, there is always at least one person crazy enough to dig for answers ::) ;D

http://www.shipbuildinghistory.com/history/shipyards/5small/inactive/winslow.htm
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 11 December 2014, 16:48:10
Aaaaah! Now it makes sense. :D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 12 December 2014, 16:50:46
Rcd from Lake Union Shipbuilding Corp. 1 table for cabin

Hmmm...they got the tablecloth about a month ago  ::)    There's no accounting... :D

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2049%20-%20April-June,%201934/IMG_0577_0.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 13 December 2014, 04:55:34
 ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 13 December 2014, 05:03:30
Hey, you're at the end of April 1934 already (probably May by now)!
This progress pleases me - keep it up!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 13 December 2014, 06:26:33
Just stopped - upto 25th May
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 13 December 2014, 10:41:09
30th May 1934  From Johnson Meat Mks. 2 Turkeys for Fwd mess.

Um...as we are caught between Thanksgiving and Christmas I think to ask 'Is there no safe time for turkeys?' ::) ;)

(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/537/OEE33R.png)

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2049%20-%20April-June,%201934/IMG_0609_0.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 13 December 2014, 12:31:38
Nope - I'm sorry, guy, but turkey stays on the menu all autumn and early winter.  Then cured ham seems to take over.  ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 13 December 2014, 13:59:52
Reached the end of June 1934 - and 97%.  Off to do Christmas cards now ....
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 13 December 2014, 14:59:33
Great work Helen. I'll do a bit more now.

finished 13 July - need a break now for dinner..prob back tomorrow - but xmas cards call etc etc :)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 13 December 2014, 20:01:53
Excellent work, all of you - keep going! I like it!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 14 December 2014, 11:04:15
Done up to and inc. 17 Aug.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 14 December 2014, 14:44:55
Now up to 10th September inclusive.  Tomorrow tis the season to be singing carols at a candlelit carol service, so I probably won't manage much - just a few days I hope.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 December 2014, 14:55:59
Zovacor passes the 500 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 December 2014, 14:57:30
AvastMH passes the 750 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 14 December 2014, 16:33:25
Now up to 10th September inclusive.  Tomorrow tis the season to be singing carols at a candlelit carol service, so I probably won't manage much - just a few days I hope.

Lovely - the candle-lit services are so wonderful. They bring such a sense of community.  Enjoy!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Zovacor on 14 December 2014, 23:17:44
Finished a log book- now 98% and early October.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Zovacor on 14 December 2014, 23:19:56
OW as a whole is 49% complete. What are the odds (Hanibal, I'm looking to you as the number cruncher) that we can be 50% by the new year?
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 15 December 2014, 03:14:41
The odds are actually pretty good, I think.
According to my calculations, OW as a whole is around 3.600.000 WR, both active and complete ships.
And from my weekly updates, I know that about 25.000 WR are done every week.
Since there are two full weeks and one half week left in 2014, that should be enough to make it.
But the holidays are coming up, and I know for sure that this will mean less transcribing than usual.
So it's hard to say.



Hmmm... I see you have picked up the pace on the Pioneer, and already finished another log book. This is good - gimme another!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 15 December 2014, 13:44:32
Into the final month of the next log book - up to December 4th.  The final year is not far off!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 16 December 2014, 15:40:29
We've reached the final year - that's a year of logs done in less than a week!  We may make it to the end before the end of 2014 after all ....
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 16 December 2014, 16:34:42
Happy New Year!

I didn't manage to do any today and at some time tomorrow my broadband is being upgraded so if I disappear for a while you'll know it didn't go well!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 16 December 2014, 17:00:30
January 1935 done!

Hope your upgrade goes well, jil, and that you'll be back transcribing faster than ever ....  :D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 16 December 2014, 19:57:49
Half of February  ticked off... :)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 17 December 2014, 03:57:25
99% complete!

(http://ericpetersautos.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/so-close-pic.png)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 17 December 2014, 05:06:26
Just done March 1935
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 17 December 2014, 05:32:48
Thank You for coming back, Stuart!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 17 December 2014, 06:04:36
Wow - storming along!

And done a few days into April.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 December 2014, 08:26:09
Zovacor passes the 1000 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 17 December 2014, 14:01:32
We can make it!  A few more days done in April - perhaps more later this evening ....  I've slowed down because after all these years they've suddenly started recording attached temperature, and I'm having to retrain my fingers.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 17 December 2014, 16:19:09
with you on that one Helen ::)  ;D
I told my fingers it was another ship so they would be more helpful  ;)  :D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 17 December 2014, 16:28:40
wow, I am going to have to lay off the Christmas drinks.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2053%20-%20April-June,%201934/IMG_0960_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2053%20-%20April-June,%201934/IMG_0960_0.jpg)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 17 December 2014, 16:30:10
 ;D ;D ;D (hic! - me too mate!)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 December 2014, 16:35:53
I'll mention that to Gina. Maybe she can rescan it.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 17 December 2014, 16:38:38
wow, I am going to have to lay off the Christmas drinks.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2053%20-%20April-June,%201934/IMG_0960_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2053%20-%20April-June,%201934/IMG_0960_0.jpg)

Yeah, that was a bad one, Stuart. Fortunately, it's the only one so you can keep drinking.  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 17 December 2014, 17:47:37
I'll mention that to Gina. Maybe she can rescan it.

It's fine.
I think I am the last scribe so it is not necessary.
Thanks for the thought.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 17 December 2014, 17:56:22
No need to rescan - Craig and I already did it, and Stuart would be number 3, I assume he did it by now.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 December 2014, 18:08:18
I already asked ::)
Anyway, I believe that these are also for some archive, and they will want good scans.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 December 2014, 18:13:47
Truth about the archive - we are getting the watered down jpeg version of the scans, NARA is keeping the archive-quality original that takes time to send its megabytes over cyberspace.  :)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 18 December 2014, 11:09:34
Oh dear - now they are using a colon in the baro height reading, but sometimes even that is just a space. >:( :(  ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 December 2014, 11:30:47
Do your best to transcribe the readings as they are written, but don't worry too much :-*
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 18 December 2014, 11:50:29
I'm good with it Randi - but my confused fingers may be forming a union and taking strike action soon unless the (Pioneer) management gets its act together.  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 December 2014, 12:11:31
Tell your fingers worry too much ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 18 December 2014, 12:45:44
You could threaten the log keeper with a colonoscopy, Joan.  :D :P
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 18 December 2014, 13:18:38
Just reached May ....  ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 18 December 2014, 18:22:08
You could threaten the log keeper with a colonoscopy, Joan.  :D :P

  ;D I was trying to think of a joke along those lines Craig...well done! ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 19 December 2014, 05:48:48
It took soooo long for them to get my broadband upgrade to work, I thought you might have finished  ;)

And at the moment it only seems a bit faster  :'(. 

They also failed to install superfast typing for my fingers! Well I can type type really quickly but the output tends to be rather random :)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 19 December 2014, 08:15:41
Quote
They also failed to install superfast typing for my fingers! Well I can type type really quickly but the output tends to be rather random :)
Same here :(
I would be happy with "fast typing for my fingers" ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 19 December 2014, 10:11:06
It took soooo long for them to get my broadband upgrade to work, I thought you might have finished  ;)

We didn't want to cross the finishing line without you, jil!  (24 WR every day might have something to do with it too ....  ;D)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 19 December 2014, 11:42:20
Here is the link for the blurred page: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BxR91qvZgEQ8N1hsd3RMbHhBMkU&usp=sharing
Gina said that she would keep the logbook handy for awhile just in case they are any other problems. It was one of the first logs scanned.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 19 December 2014, 11:51:12
That page was the only one that was blurred in that log book, Randi.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 19 December 2014, 13:39:45
Thanks, Craig.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 19 December 2014, 19:50:26
Just did a trio of pages. Next page to go is June 1st.  8)

Just off to zed-land...zzzzzzz  ;) :D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Zovacor on 20 December 2014, 03:40:56
I am off for vacation until the 30th to a place with no modern telecommunications. Good luck everyone and Merry Christmas.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 20 December 2014, 03:43:47
Zovacor passes the 1500 mark!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 20 December 2014, 05:49:25
Merry Christmas Zovacor - enjoy being in the electronic wilderness (a rare place these days)!
Best wishes, Joan :D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 20 December 2014, 12:08:45
Pioneer guestimations update, Dec 20th 2014:

Old value:  170.221/177.314   
New value: 175.697/177.472   
WR done in last seven days: 5476

Assuming that stream 3 is at June 1st 1935, this means there are actually (30+31+31+30+31+30+31)*24 = 5136 WR remaining.

So it is still possible to complete the Pioneer by 2015, but it will be very very close, especially without Zovacor.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 20 December 2014, 12:14:53
Tough one - but perhaps, just perhaps we'll do it  :-\ ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 20 December 2014, 12:39:09
Well, the third stream is at 16th June (I'm just about to begin) so that's another half month done already ....
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 20 December 2014, 12:43:39
Hi Helen, I just finished the 16th..as you're online and I have some sewing to do I'll log off for a bit.  :)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 20 December 2014, 12:46:41
Hi, Joan - I'd just begun to wonder .... I'll be finishing about 6pm if that's OK?
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kathy on 20 December 2014, 12:48:38
Why all the pressure to finish before the new year?  Have the PTB said anything about the rate of progress?  Frankly, I've about reached the point with all of this chatter about who has done how many transcriptions; how many more are left; if transcribers do xxx then yyy; etc., etc, that I'm just not going to read the Forum anymore.  No topic is safe from this - if the PTB are not happy with transcription rates, then I wish they would just tell all of us -
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 20 December 2014, 13:07:24
Woah, calm down girl!
I never meant to push anybody - I was just hoping to see the Pioneer complete before the new year, and I know Helen J is too.
Yes, I do keep track of a lot of stuff here (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3551.0), but it's meant to be purely for information purposes - how much WR does this ship have in total, is this one being actively worked on, which ships have less than 24 WR/day etc. Nobody is being put under pressure!
And your "no topic is safe from this" claim isn't true - it's only common in the Dockyard, and here  (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3898.0) and here  (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3551.0)as well. The rest of the forum is pretty much fine.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 20 December 2014, 13:13:04
Kathy,
Since the bean counters are all focused on the Pioneer, maybe just skip that topic.  I don't think they talk the same way at all in Chat topics or in handwriting help.  Just skip the ship they are currently counting and read the rest.  Lots of the rest of just skip those posts anyway.  The rest of the forum is still out there.

Janet
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 20 December 2014, 13:16:31
Hi Kathy, sorry you're feeling fed up with this thread.  Personally I'm keen to see Pioneer finished, just because it's been such a long haul.  And as it's all 24 WR a day at the moment, it's worth trying not to duplicate work, and so checking in with each other.  But I don't want anyone to feel pressured by it all; please don't feel you need to disappear from the Forum.   :(
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 20 December 2014, 13:57:19
Hi Kathy, sorry you're feeling fed up with this thread.  Personally I'm keen to see Pioneer finished, just because it's been such a long haul.  And as it's all 24 WR a day at the moment, it's worth trying not to duplicate work, and so checking in with each other.  But I don't want anyone to feel pressured by it all; please don't feel you need to disappear from the Forum.   :(

Kathy I second Helen's wise words - I'm so sorry if it's been 'overload' on the thread. If I had thought we were causing a problem I would have not made comments here.  Whatever you do, don't go  :'(
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 20 December 2014, 14:05:56
Reached the end of June 1935 and knocking off for the day.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 20 December 2014, 14:26:44
Plus, most of the discussion is between high-power transcribers who are actually interested in making progress and getting ships done, like myself, Stuart and Craig.

I think we are all interested in making progress and getting ships done, but some of us prefer to enjoy the events along the way rather than to make a race of it ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 20 December 2014, 18:02:21
Another oddy - 'Naval Ammunition Depot. 500 lbs. TNT.' Any ideas why a survey ship might want that please :-\?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2054%20-%20July-September,%201934/IMG_1045_0.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 20 December 2014, 18:10:47
Well - they seem just to plod around the California area - perhaps they are heading North in mid summer.
What really worries me is that they cleared all the crew off the ship to fumigate it throughout the same day. Yukkkky. Makes me itch.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 20 December 2014, 18:27:10
I do love googling.  :) 
http://www.thsoa.org/pdf/cgs_afe_09.pdf from the archives of The Hydrographic Society of America.
FIELD ENGINEERS BULLETIN, U. S. COAST & GEODETIC SURVEY, DECEMBER 1935
This has an article on page 66 of the pdf named "SOUNDING TO GRANITE, N. H. Heck, H. & G. Engineer, Chief, Division of Terrestrial Magnetism and Seismology, U. S. Coast and Geodetic Survey"  where they talk directly of the "The firing of the bomb has to be taken care of so that ..."

Did someone think survey work was boring? ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 21 December 2014, 04:20:34
Janet you are amazing! What a find.  Seismic studies eh? Didn't realize that they were doing those back in 1935. :o :D 8) It makes sense of that volume of TNT though. Great!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 21 December 2014, 05:48:01
And here there are using the TNT! - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2054%20-%20July-September,%201934/IMG_1052_1.jpg

2:00 Hydrophone lowered into position.
3:35 Firing bombs to test R.A.R. stations and gear
4:15 Finished firing bombs.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 21 December 2014, 05:58:29
 ;D

R A R = radio acoustic ranging
http://www.history.noaa.gov/stories_tales/ak3.html
(it also mentions a "pinnacle rock" ;))
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 21 December 2014, 07:52:20
Thanks Randi! My quick search for RAR didn't turn up anything useful, then I got distracted.  ::)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 21 December 2014, 11:26:39
RAR has been in Abbreviations (non-weather) (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=639.0) for some time.  NOAA has an interesting graphic for the normal procedure.

RAR - Radio Acoustic Ranging. Developed in 1923, RAR was the first non-visual navigation system. It combined velocity of sound in water with radio to obtain fix. (NOAA Photo Library (http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/history/electronic/media/23_rar.html))
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 21 December 2014, 11:30:12
 :-[ 8)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 22 December 2014, 14:00:57
Pioneer is now showing 100% - but sadly this doesn't mean we've quite finished her yet.  :'( 

However we have reached August, so less than five months to go.   :D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 22 December 2014, 14:28:40
Ah yes - the rounding bug. So annoying.
But you're at September August already! Sweet!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 22 December 2014, 14:35:07
Actually, it's August - I got carried away.  For some reason I always tend to think the eighth month is September ....
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 24 December 2014, 14:01:27
We have now made it to mid September - steady progress being made.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 25 December 2014, 13:50:44
Oh, do pay attention!  Someone doesn't seem to know which ship he's on ...

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2054%20-%20July-September,%201934/IMG_1129_0.jpg
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 25 December 2014, 14:00:50
Well, Discoverer was her sister ship ::)



To go back to an earlier subject:
Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USC%26GS_Pioneer_%281918%29
In 1934 personnel aboard Pioneer developed a deep sea hydrophone in connection with the Survey's work developing radio acoustic ranging, a system in which a small TNT bomb timed to explode at about 100 ft (30 m) feet,[Note 1] the explosion's sound wave is registered by a hydrophone aboard and hydrophones at two or more known shore locations that then send a radio signal of arrival time back to the vessel for range calculation, to better establish positions beyond shore signal visibility. Pioneer personnel successfully used the hydrophone to a depth of 5,100 ft (1,600 m) off the coast of southern California in the work establishing the velocity and path of sound in the sea.[3]
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 25 December 2014, 14:30:55
Oh, do pay attention!  Someone doesn't seem to know which ship he's on ...

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2054%20-%20July-September,%201934/IMG_1129_0.jpg

 ;D
I'm used to wrong dates, but that is ridiculous!

P.S. There were some crew transfers between Discoverer and Pioneer, perhaps that explains it.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 25 December 2014, 14:34:17
That would make sense.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 25 December 2014, 23:02:59
Sept log book finished.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 26 December 2014, 07:24:48
Sept log book finished.

Excellent!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 27 December 2014, 14:50:03
October log book finished  :D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: tastiger on 28 December 2014, 08:02:41
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2055%20-%20October-December,%201934/IMG_1189_0.jpg

Someone's confused about dates. :P
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 28 December 2014, 14:27:00
Thanks for helping out, tastiger!  :)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: tastiger on 29 December 2014, 00:36:27
November done. Only December left.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 29 December 2014, 03:46:00
I am now doing and will finish (tonight) Dec as I started (from 3 pages into) log book #1, 2 yrs ago.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 29 December 2014, 03:53:04
2 years  :o
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 29 December 2014, 04:07:55
I did absconded for some time.   :-[
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 29 December 2014, 06:32:42
Dec 31 1935 seems to be followed by 1 June 1891.
Funny calendars in those days.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 29 December 2014, 06:35:35
But on Jamestown, not Pioneer (if you've just got the same page as I have ....)  Though it's strange that the Pioneer front page still says 100% complete, but also offers 'Transcribe logs' rather than saying 'View all logs".  But when I clicked on Transcribe I'm being sent to other ships, not Pioneer, so I guess she's finished at last!  It's been a long voyage - I also began back in 1923 (3rd August to be exact) - but have also had some time off.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 29 December 2014, 06:38:37
so it is, just checked to page URL.

Seems Pioneer may be finished.
I hope so, doing a month of nearly all 24wrpp in just  over 4hrs is something I don't want to do again.  ???
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 29 December 2014, 07:01:47
Congratulations, Team!   8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 29 December 2014, 07:19:56
Brilliant last push - special thanks to Stuart for taking us over the line!  Hope you can relax and treat yourself to something indulgent to celebrate (and the rest of us as well ....)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 29 December 2014, 07:30:52
Great job everyone!



I asked the PTB to change her status to VAL.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 29 December 2014, 07:32:08
tastiger
Welcome to the top 12 !



 ;D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 29 December 2014, 10:02:00
Congrats, Pioneer Crew!!!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 29 December 2014, 10:09:24
Thank you, it has been a marathon - more than 12 years of logs.  I'm looking for a rather shorter voyage next ....
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 29 December 2014, 10:23:41
Well done to everyone!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on 29 December 2014, 12:53:52
Congrats to all of you hard working Pioneers!  That is a lot of travel and weather reports now available for analysis!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 29 December 2014, 18:24:18
Congratulations, everyone!

I am very pleased, and very proud of all of you - and you made it before 2015 after all! Nice!
But yes, it was a long voyage. I started at August 1922 and did her all the way to the end - almost one whole stream done all by myself.

Would anyone care to join me on the Patterson? It's a little lonely there, and she has the same unusual log format.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: tastiger on 29 December 2014, 18:49:32
Congratulations, everyone!

I am very pleased, and very proud of all of you - and you made it before 2015 after all! Nice!
But yes, it was a long voyage. I started at August 1922 and did her all the way to the end - almost one whole stream done all by myself.

Would anyone care to join me on the Patterson? It's a little lonely there, and she has the same unusual log format.

Might after Perry, I want to help finish her off next. :P
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 30 December 2014, 11:01:41
I might be tempted on to Patterson - familiar waters, and a familiar format are quite alluring ....
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 30 December 2014, 11:30:56
Lieutenant Scrawl (who magically appears throughout all our logs like some seaborne time-traveller) awaits you!
I quite like Patterson and will be happy to clamber back on board - even after the excitement of the bolts of cloth and tons of TNT of the Pioneer.  :D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 30 December 2014, 12:06:54
Lieutenant Scrawl is always with us .... I even suspect there may be more than one of them.   :D
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 30 December 2014, 16:09:39
Lieutenant Scrawl (who magically appears throughout all our logs like some seaborne time-traveller) awaits you!
I quite like Patterson and will be happy to clamber back on board - even after the excitement of the bolts of cloth and tons of TNT of the Pioneer.  :D

Much as I enjoyed my brief time on both Patterson and Pioneer, and researching the uses of bolts of cloth is tempting, I rather enjoy shooting at native canoes and burning boats too much to abandon the Concord. Not only that, but there's more drinking and a freer use of profane and disrespectful language.  ;)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 30 December 2014, 18:19:45
Ah, the vicarious pleasures of OW  ;D  (I wonder how abstemious were vicars).
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Zovacor on 30 December 2014, 23:15:18
Congrats all. Back from vacation and happy to see her make it back to port! I think I'm going back to Jamestown 1844, but man its so much nicer working with some sort of format (describing the weather only as "pleasant" or "fine" for months on end seems less than helpful).

Question to Kookabura- do you wait until everything is done before digging in to do the climate science? Whats your next step now that a voyage is complete?
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 31 December 2014, 10:55:10
Ah, the vicarious pleasures of OW  ;D  (I wonder how abstemious were vicars).

Well, this 'vicar' has definitely been less abstemious than usual, over the festive season.  More chocolate, more cake, more alcohol - and definitely more sitting by the fire doing nothing much in particular.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 31 December 2014, 11:41:07
Good for you Helen - the still dark and trying days of winter are ahead - re-charge your batteries now! ;) :)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on 31 December 2014, 12:26:52
Question to Kookabura- do you wait until everything is done before digging in to do the climate science? Whats your next step now that a voyage is complete?
Oh, I was not talking from personal knowledge!  :D  But I think the logs still have to go through the editing process.  Now I am curious whether the editors start their arduous work before all the transcribing is completed?  It would be interesting if one of the editors could tell us what they do with the raw transcriptions!
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 31 December 2014, 12:37:34
The scientists get the data as soon as the ship is finished.
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 31 December 2014, 14:29:33
Before the ship is complete, there will be transcribers going in and editing pages, besides the incompleteness.  Once the ship goes VAL (View All Logs - no more transcription available) all the climate data gets grabbed by the climatologists, analyzed and put in the global data bases.  Technically you can still edit transcriptions, but those will likely never get picked up.

Eventually, Philip will send Naval-History.Net the complete comments transcripts (Minus weather readings) and we will put that online to read and hope we can find an editor.

Then finally we make it some maps and put the finished piece online.  :)
Title: Re: Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 31 December 2014, 14:32:02
Thanks for explaining, Janet - I have wondered about that myself, from time to time.