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Here is the cover of her first logbook. :)
DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE
UNITED STATES COAST AND GEODETIC SURVEY
E. LESTER JONES, Superintendent.
LOG BOOK Ship Pioneer.
H. A. Beran, COMMANDING.
From April 8, 1922, to July 1, 1922.
List of Officers: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%201%20-%20April-July,%201922/IMG_7777_0.jpg
And the scanners photoed her cover upside down.
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I saw that and I thought they had done the whole thing upside down! ;D
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I've just started having a go at Pioneer, on the entirely
unscientific grounds that I loved the picture of her! Here's some
interesting information from the beginning of the first log book, April
to July 1922.
List of officers:
H A Beran, H & G Eng, joined April 8th 1922
Okison, F~y E, Mate, joined April 8th 1922
Peters, J. H. H & ~ Engr, joined April 20th 1922, detached April 30th 1922
Hemple, H W Jr H & G Engr, joined April 20th 1922
Smook, J. M. Jr H & G Engr, joined May 5th 1922
Wexler, H. A. Deck Officer, joined May 11th 1922, detached June 10th 1922
Adams, K. T. H & G Eng, joined June 21st 1922
Bond (very enigmatic - no other information given!)
And here's a copy of the instructions for keeping the log book:
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And here's information about her size:
General
Dimensions Vessel: Length at load water line 180 ft; Extreme breadth of
beam at load water line 35 ft 6 in; Draft - Forward 12ft; Aft 13 ft 8.5
in; Displacement 1200 tons
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Here's the second page of the instructions. Thanks for finding them, I wanted to have them. :)
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And here comes the first handwriting question! On this page,
it says that the enlisted men were 'lodged and ~oisted ashore' - at the
bottom of the left hand lot of writing (which is worth reading - the
writer sounds rather cross!). Can anyone tell me what missing word
is?
Also, an interesting snippet of information, is that before she was Pioneer, she had been called Osprey.
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That is one teed off engineer - here he is, wanting to turn that
pretty little ship into a snug home for the crew, and the ship is still
declared uninhabitable because the depot totally failed to deliver, and
"All the enlisted men are being lodged and subsisted ashore."
Anyone
who has worked around engineers knows better than to annoy them that
much. All the skills that allow them to build and design useful
stuff can easily be used to make someone's life miserable.
Something my father, a civil engineer, taught me. Very creative, are engineers. ;D
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Subsisted:
v.intr.
1.
a. To exist; be.
b. To remain or continue in existence.
2. To maintain life; live: subsisted on one meal a day.
3. To be logically conceivable.
v.tr.
To maintain or support with provisions.
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thank you - I don't think I've ever seen 'subsisted' as a verb
before! We've now reached about April 20th and they're preparing
to sail for Philadelphia - though they still have no instruments.
I've done over 30 pages, and only one single solitary weather record - a
note of wind force ....
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I may have been misleading in what I copied...
sub?sist (sb-sst)
v. sub?sist?ed, sub?sist?ing, sub?sists
v.intr.
1.
a. To exist; be.
b. To remain or continue in existence.
2. To maintain life; live: subsisted on one meal a day.
3. To be logically conceivable.
v.tr.
To maintain or support with provisions.
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thank
you - I don't think I've ever seen 'subsisted' as a verb before!
We've now reached about April 20th and they're preparing to sail for
Philadelphia - though they still have no instruments. I've done
over 30 pages, and only one single solitary weather record - a note of
wind force ....
Was that a gale of steam coming off your cross engineer's head! ;D
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:D :D :D
He finally got some boats (and carefully put
in the invoice numbers!) and some supplies; carefully recorded what
they'd handed back to the naval depot in Boston (I did wonder whether a
point was being made ...) and made it to Philadelphia, at which point
they've had to empty the ship again, and send most of the crew back to
Boston to pick up the other ship, while the dockyard which got the
contract for the conversion gets to work. I think this ship is
going to have a long lead in before much happens - which may at least
give me a chance to get used to the worst of the writers (who of course
is the one who always seems to be keeping the log when anything of
interest happens!)
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;D ;D ;D
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Talk about detail bringing it all to life. While the ship is
in the dockyard (the actual one rather then virtual one), this is what's
happening:
starting this day @ breakfast 12 men are messed at Mrs Kwan, 1108 Palmer St.
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You know, after all those very terse and abbreviated comments on the
RN logs, it starts me wondering, what would those men have added if
they had a whole page to expand into, instead of that little column?
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Absolutely - I've just been doing the narrative page for this date,
which gives a detailed account of who was on board working on what, and
when they stopped for lunch, and knocked off for the day.
And adds the detail that the laundry was sent ashore at 2pm ....
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And again - King, James F, nightwatchman, starting rooming ashore,
on account of too much noise aboard to sleep during daytime.
Given
that they're busy removing rivets and demolishing bits of
superstructure, you'd think someone might just have thought of this
before ....
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I'm just fascinated by the level of detail (though I suspect it's
partly because they're in the dockyard and there's not much to write
about) ... Anyway, today, I'm sure you'll be thrilled to know
(it's 17th May 1922) Mr Smook was given the afternoon off to see a
doctor for treatment of a cold. I wonder whether he ever imagined
that 90 years later someone would be reading that?
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I think the personnel department needs to improve their tactics -
they've just enlisted a certain Mr Pinkstow, who deserted after 5 hours
work ....
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Very frequently everywhere in life, the only way to find out who is
incapable is to try them out. Being temporary, I suspect the Navy
will not be arresting and punishing Mr Pinkstow, as the administrative
costs would far exceed what they'd be willing to pay him before firing
him anyway. ::)
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Well, this tactic has just paid off - they enlisted a certain Roman
Pawlowski as a wireless operator, 2nd class on 12 June, but he turned
out to be less than 2nd class and was discharged for ineptitude on 15th
June.
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Do you think you'll ever get a crew together Helenj? :-\ ;D
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Oh, yes, I'm quite hopeful. They're enlisting men in ones or
twos most days, and only a few have done a runner or been given their
marching orders. How they're all going to feel once they get to
sea is still to be discovered - at the moment they're basically painters
and decorators. :D
Later - I may have spoken too soon - as
well as the men signing on, there's a constant trickle of men being
discharged, and others deserting. The latest are two who signed on
on 15th June, and had gone a week later .... And this is despite
them being issued with clothing - what else could they ask for?
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Pioneer, 1st July to 13th October 1922 - List of officers
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Suddenly it all gets more serious - record of an accident to two of the crew:
A
serious accident occurred on board. The chief engineer and H.B.
Fenner Chief Asst Eng were working in the chill room of the
refrigerating plant, running live steam into the water in the scuttle
butt inside the chill room in order to boil out this tank. The heat
apparently expanded the ammonia in the coils in the tank causing an
explosion. The tank was blown up from the dock, all of the connecting
piping was blown in parts, the wall of the ice box was blown out at
least a foot and the wall of the inner ice box was blown in slightly.
Both men were badly hurt, the Chief Engineer was burned in the feet and
legs and slightly on the arms, and was cut on the side of the head, and
was almost stunned. Fenner was burned on feet and legs and arms.
Prentglau, Asst to Eng 1 cl has just stepped out and while jarred was
not hurt. Gotshall, Sea. who assisted in dragging the Chief Engineer out
inhaled some ammonia. Chief Engineer Hart and Fenner were rushed to
Cramp's Hospital where first aid treatment was given and at 3.30pm were
removed to the St Agnes Hospital in charge of the Public Health
Service. The Chief Engineer had inhaled ammonia and his lungs,
eyes and mouth were in danger. The ammonia was blown out and the ice
machine stopped. An inspector was on board from 2.30pm to 5.00 pm from
the York Mfg Co.
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Sadly Chief Engineer Hart died in hospital a few days later:
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And just to complete the story, the following day:
Board
of Investigation composed of Peters, H & G Eng, R R Lukens, H &
G Eng and Morris, Chief Engineer was in session on board during the
morning investigating the causes and results of the accident which
occured Friday July 7, 1922.
and:
Chief Engineer Hart's clothes
and effects were gathered together, packed and one trunk, one suitcase
and one package sent to his home. Valuables as follows were found and
returned, to be sent over by an officer. Watch #1426100 with chain;
Keyring and keys; Ideal Fountain Pen; $11.00 refund from W.R. Mess;
$11.87 found in his clothing; One book of stamps.
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All unbearably poignant - I think I need to go and do something else for a bit .... :'( :'(
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Here's something I've never seen on an RN ship - a list of the books the ship has to help with navigation and so on:
Received
the following books & publications: U.S. Coast Pilot - Atlantic
Coast - Section C; Light List - Atlantic & Gulf Coasts; Buoy List -
Delaware Bay & River; Buoy List - Cape Henlopen - Cape Lookout; Tide
Tables - Atlantic Coast 1922; Instructions for painting & cementing
vessels; Practical Manual of the Compass #36926; H.O.#71 Azimuths of
the Sun; Azimuths of Celestial Bodies; List of Merchant Vessels of the
U.S. 1921; Navy Standard Stock Catalogue; U.S.N. Register of officers
By the way, has anyone found an online copy of the U.S.N Register of officers for this period (1922)?
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And some more books:
Received
the following publications from the Washington Office:1 copy Sigsber's
Deep Sea Sounding #36900; 1 Coast Pilot - Atlantic Coast - Section D; 1
Coast Pilot - Puerto Rico & Virgin Is; 1 Coast Pilot - Pacific
Coast; 2 Tide Tables - Pacific Coast 1922; 1 Buoy List - Oregon &
Washington; 1 Buoy List - California; Two rolls of charts.
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And as is only right with all these navigation aids, we're finally
on the move! Not very far mind you, but we maneouvred out in order
to have our official picture taken, and then went down the Delaware
river, where after mooring somewhere wrong (we were asked to move) we
settled into a Pier and the work continued.
As you can probably tell,
I am totally hooked on this ship and suspect I've signed on for the
duration; there's something about being on from the very start, seeing
all the work, the buying of equipment and furniture, and the coming and
going of men, which is very engaging .... ;D
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By the way, has anyone found an online copy of the U.S.N Register of officers for this period (1922)?
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No,
and I've been looking for some time. The really wonderful and
complete register I found was based on a private book published in 1901 -
someone had too much time on his hands and an obsession with detail,
and put them to very good use. The dates are not always accurate,
one of our officers was listed as retiring and deceased a couple years
before taking command in our logs. But the names are there.
http://www.history.navy.mil/books/callahan/index.htm
There
is a list of 'service medals' given out to ships involved in wars or
battles, with a the names of all crew that received them. But that
won't help with our survey ships and many of our ice breakers.
http://www.history.navy.mil/medals/index.html
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Is this a record? Pioneer today enlisted an Assistant to the
Engineer, promoted him one rank, and discharged him at his own request -
all in one day!
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Now that I know the crew is entirely civilian, this whole process is
a completely familiar blue-collar ritual, and has nothing at all to do
with military going AWOL, or any failure in the officers'
management.
Factory workers are hired on, very typically,
with a 30 day to 6 week probationary period openly in the contract, even
when the contract is verbal. It is not a matter of someone
failing to properly judge the workers they hire during the hiring
process. It is a matter of, they don't have to make that judgement
at all. The first few days on the job IS the interview/hiring
process. Any time during the probationary period, either party can
say, "no this will not work," and walk away from the deal. The
employer does not have to provide reason, and the worker never has to
consider it to be a firing. The probationary period concept is
simply operating successfully.
All the RN ships had me
thinking military, with the commitment made by the crew before they even
saw the ship. When something totally different was happening. 8)
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Yes, it is an entirely different mind set - though I guess it's a
bit different once you're actually at sea! A bit difficult to
simply walk off the job then - swimming off the job anyone? As
Pioneer has now (finally) set off, I'll be interested to see how the
crew settle down when just leaving isn't an option.
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Another difference I'm noticing is that supplies all seem to have to
be organised by the officers - there is no Navy supplying it all
centrally. When they're in port Pioneer records various officers
going ashore every day to explore suppliers of everything they might
need, and sometimes to get it and bring it back themselves too.
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I think we are also usually dealing with much smaller crews :-\
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Another sad entry in the log:
A card received by Martel
Wireless opr, from Miss Alberta Williams, stating that O. J Cobb oiler
had died in Philadelphia Marine Hospital at 10.45am Sunday August 13
1922. Office & nearest relation Mrs Sarah Cobb notified by
telegraph.
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More about health problems, this time typhoid on Pioneer, 18th August 1922
2.35pm
Doctor Waller USPH Service came aboard and requested that Benj Edwards
Off Steward, J Wells Sh Ck 2 cl and Victor Boykin, Mess ~ be relieved
from all duty in connection with handling or preparing food pending
investigation as typhoid carriers. These men were instructed to this
effect. 4.05pm Doctor Waller left ship.
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And the following day:
8.40am
Drs Smith & Armstrong, USPHS aboard to collect date re typhoid
innoculations. 9.10am Drs Smith & Armstrong USPHS left
ship. 10.25am Dr Armstrong USPHS aboard with specimen cans for
samples of crew feces. Cans delivered to each member of crew. 10.40am Dr
Armstrong left ship.
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I'm getting that familiar worried feeling when one of your ships seems to be having real health problems ....
The saga continues, August 20th:
10am
Drs Smith & Dr Armstrong from U.S. Quarantine Service came aboard
to collect specimen cans of crews stools, re typhoid inspection.
10.25am Dr Smith & Dr Armstrong left, having collected specimens
from all except one man, Bross, Fireman
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August 21st:
10.40am
Sent to hospital at Norfolk: Edwards, Benj. Off. Stwd; Wells, J. Sh Ck 2
cl; Boykin, Victor Mess Att - observation as typhoid carriers.
3.00pm Davision, Sam Sea, injured hand.
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Now they're testing the drinking water too ...
2.15pm Doctor Smith USPHS came aboard and took samples of drinking water from scuttlebutt and galley faucets - he left at 2.55pm
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that's the real nightmare with a disease like Typhoid...just
reclaiming cleanliness is a major task...and having a potential Typhoid
Mary like the chap that wouldn't give a sample is undermining in the
most worrying way. :( ::)
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thank
you - I don't think I've ever seen 'subsisted' as a verb before!
We've now reached about April 20th and they're preparing to sail for
Philadelphia - though they still have no instruments. I've done
over 30 pages, and only one single solitary weather record - a note of
wind force ....
I
looked ahead to the end of the Apr-July section and there is almost no
useful weather information right up to July 22. There is still a lot to
transcribe for those interested in the ship.
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I think Pioneer may finally have finished all the works and be ready
to set off and get working! It's September 8th 1922:
Men
stopped work to prepare bunks, etc for inspection; Mr Reading
aboard. ~.00 Director, U.S. C & G.S, and official party
aboard. ~.45 Secretary of Commerce, H Hoover, and official party
aboard. ~25 Secretary of Commerce, H Hoover, and official party
left ship. ~.00 Director E Lester Jones, U.S. C & G.S. and
official party left ship. ~ Capt Hardy, Capt Lukens and Mr Rogers,
Washington Star, left ship.
(The very left hand side of the page is missing which means the times can't be read)
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(The very left hand side of the page is missing which means the times can't be read)
You can cheat and read the hours off the _0 page.
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Men stopped work at 3.00
5.
5.
6.
7.
8.
Definitely a full evening social event of the highest order. :)
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The H. Hoover mentioned above is this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hoover
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The H. Hoover mentioned above is this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hoover
The ship definitely got a big send-off. :)
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Thanks for confirming that - the name had struck me, and I'd wondered. Definitely a big deal all round.
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Well, having thought a week ago that Pioneer was all ready to set
sail and get surveying, in fact it's only just happened. The ship
was taken over from the Navy on April 8th, and at last, on September
24th, we have set sail for Panama - presumably for the canal and the
west coast. Suddenly there are no more crew members deciding to
leave, or going AWOL - just lots of weather. I hope none of them
are regretting signing up ....
P.S. Especially as one of the log keepers has just recorded 'cross seas'!
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Oops! It's October 1st 1922, and -
No log books on hand to start new quarter. Requisition on office never filled. R. R. Lukens
Given
how many orders they carefully recorded having received over the last
few months, it's a bit of an oversight to set off to Panama without a
spare log book in the cupboard .... :o
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Let me just say, these curved log pages are for the birds! Is the whole log book this way? :o
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All of these earlier log books are part of the scanners' learning
curve. They've gotten professional operators and better equipment
since then, so we just need to get done with the start-up books.
See Patterson, if you want a curve to complain of. ;D
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Is there some way to get these curved (I saw that, Janet ;D )
scans redone? It might be just me, but I'm have a really hard time
doing the pages here on the Pioneer -
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I do Patterson by tracing with a finger to follow the whole curve
before starting to type it. Somehow, once my mind has seen the
physical path traced, I don't have trouble following it.
A whole
lot of this first batch of logs were done on "archaic" machines (Kevin's
description) that are never being used again. We've seen this
before in the RN logs, a whole batch with one-time problems.
Please, if they bother you, go on to ships you like. If we as a
group could finish Grafton in order to get new ships, then Pioneer will
also eventually be done. By a group offering each other
support. Don't burn yourself out on it.
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Is
there some way to get these curved (I saw that, Janet ;D ) scans
redone? It might be just me, but I'm have a really hard time doing
the pages here on the Pioneer -
They
do get better, and it doesn't take all that long. I can't
remember exactly when but I'm only in October, and I think it's been
better for a while (either that or I've got used to it ....) Now I
only tend to get somewhat slanted entries at the bottom of the page.
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Is
there some way to get these curved (I saw that, Janet ;D ) scans
redone? It might be just me, but I'm have a really hard time doing
the pages here on the Pioneer -
I will be with you in a few months on those pages. Hope they have been re-scanned by then. ;)
Flitting back and forth between Concord & the Pioneer (just finished my first Pioneer log book -> 1 July)
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Pioneer Log book details.
8 April -> 1 July 1922.
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1 July -> Oct 13 1922.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7868_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7868_0.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7868_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7868_1.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7869_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7869_0.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7869_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7869_1.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%203%20-%20October-December,%201922/IMG_7980_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%203%20-%20October-December,%201922/IMG_7980_0.jpg)
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I have finished log book April -> July.
HelenJ
I will add Oct - Dec officers to the listings. (later)
Will you do the crew changes for the log book you are doing Oct -> Dec?
I will do crew changes July -> Oct when I get back from Concord.
Stuart.
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I
think this is Franz E. Okeson - according to Ancestry.com, in 1929 he
was a Navigator living in Baltimore. His WWI draft registration
card says he's a navigator working for the USA Dept. of Commerce.
Born in Sweden 1878, married to Alvina.
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I have finished log book April -> July.
HelenJ
I will add Oct - Dec officers to the listings. (later)
Will you do the crew changes for the log book you are doing Oct -> Dec?
I will do crew changes July -> Oct when I get back from Concord.
Stuart.
Stuart,
can you clarify what you mean by 'doing the crew changes'? Do you
mean recording them when they come up, or posting them here (or
elsewhere?), or something else?
At the moment, sadly, I don't have a
lot of time for OW (college taking up a lot of time and most of my brain
cells) so am trying not to do anything much more than straight
transcribing. But I would certainly record any changes in crew in
the transcriptions themselves.
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Good luck at college, I have recently retired from teaching at one.
Did you say you have, or will record them in the transcriptions?
If you have been recording them them, I will stop transcribing them and just record them on the crew list page.
If not, please advise what date you will start from and I will continue up to that date.
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Thanks for the clarification Stuart - I have been recording them
from the start in the transcriptions, and will continue to do so.
Now that they've set sail the number of comings and goings has dropped
dramatically, which makes it a much easier job. It's a bit
difficult to decide you don't fancy the job any more in the middle of
the ocean!
So if you can keep the crew list page up to date, I think we'll have it all covered between us.
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Roger Wilko.
Sunscreen and beach towel packed and waiting. ;D
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:D :D :D
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George Carlson shipped as Seaman on 12th October 1922
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7974_0.jpg
--- he doesn't seem to be in your list
--- is this link saved somewhere?
Here's the list of officers for October 14 to December 31 1922 - it looks pretty much like the one from the previous book:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%203%20-%20October-December,%201922/IMG_7980_0.jpg
--- is this link saved somewhere?
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Pioneer starts to record weather again (well sort of) 10 July 1922. :)
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I'm having a really hard time transcribing the Events of the Day
for those pages with no weather data because of the curve of the
page. I don't know why that is so hard for me to deal with, but it
is. I'm happy to continue to process the pages with no weather,
but I'm wondering if it is ok if I stop trying to transcribe the Events
page? I am assuming between Stuart and Helen, these pages are
pretty well covered. I'll pick up transcribing them when the
curvature of the page decreases - is everyone agreeable to my plan?
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All events are optional ;)
and, they only need to be transcribed once.
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All events are optional ;)
and, they only need to be transcribed once.
Definitely!
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I agree they only need transcribing once , BUT how do we know when that has been done?
My excerpts may be different from others.
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More is never wasted. :)
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I've been transcribing events pretty selectively - any crew leaving
or joining (although on Pioneer they have usually been recorded on the
weather page) and major events during their fitting out such as being
visited by Hoover and various other bigwigs. I haven't recorded
all the comings and goings to collect things from the dockyard etc in
the main, although now and again I've done some of that just to give a
flavour of life on board.
Once she's set sail the events page is
pretty much all records of when they've stopped to do a bit of
surveying, which I haven't been recording, the weather during the watch
(which given there are hourly weather records I'm not recording) and
very occasional mentions of repairs/maintenance or other events, which
I'm deciding about on a case by case basis.
Given my limited time at
present, I'm really focussing on the weather records, though I am always
looking at the events page as well, not just clicking through it.
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When I was doing sloop Torch, on the trips when she was depending on
a full suite of sails, I very quickly stopped transcribing them but
always read them carefully. It taught me a lot about how the wind
force numbers related to the nuts and bolts of sailing ships.
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Is
this a record? Pioneer today enlisted an Assistant to the
Engineer, promoted him one rank, and discharged him at his own request -
all in one day!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7909_0.jpg
1. Just arrived at this page.
Earlier there was an Enlistment and discharged after 5 hrs work (but no promotion). You are still winning. :D
2.
Would you call 'Alongside Cramps shipyard, Philadelphia,
Pa.' a Place or Port ? I have called it a Place BUT
At Cramps Dry Dock, Philadelphia, Pa. a Port.
How does the system process Place and Port?
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I think I made all those sort of entries a Port, on the grounds that
if there's a shipyard it's obviously a place where plenty of ships go -
not at all scientific, but that was my reason!
I've used Place for
something like 'At sea enroute from Balboa CZ to San Diego Cal' which is
where we are at the moment. There's also a lat/long most days now
though, so I suspect it matters less.
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2.
Would you call 'Alongside Cramps shipyard, Philadelphia,
Pa.' a Place or Port ? I have called it a Place BUT
At Cramps Dry Dock, Philadelphia, Pa. a Port.
How does the system process Place and Port?
At the moment, you can include context with place names but not with port names.
'Alongside Cramps shipyard, Philadelphia, Pa.' would indeed be a Place.
'Cramps Dry Dock, Philadelphia, Pa.' is a Port --- but you should not include 'At'
'Anchored at Philadelphia, Pa.' would be transcribed as Port Name = Philadelphia, Pa.
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Sounds good to me.
Often wondered. The actual Cramps shipyard
and drydock are some distance away from Philli it self and a drydock is
usually in a shipyard which does not have to be in a port as such.
Navy yard Brooklyn I usually list as Port.
OK. so shall it be from now on.
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Clocks set to 75th Meridian Standard Time. 11 Aug 1922.
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Helen
You have described the 'Typhoid' episode in Aug in this post.
Can I assume you have entered it in the log?
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Yes, anything posted here has been transcribed - it's usually how I do those stories - transcribe, copy, post ...
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Possibly another record - Wm E Wood enlisted on 13th November 1922
in San Diego, and was declared a deserter on 15th November .... He must
have gone AWOL almost as soon as he arrived. I wonder whether they
were paid some kind of 'golden hello' on signing up?
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Possibly
another record - Wm E Wood enlisted on 13th November 1922 in San Diego,
and was declared a deserter on 15th November .... He must have gone
AWOL almost as soon as he arrived. I wonder whether they were paid
some kind of 'golden hello' on signing up?
No relation.
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;D
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Possibly
another record - Wm E Wood enlisted on 13th November 1922 in San Diego,
and was declared a deserter on 15th November .... He must have gone
AWOL almost as soon as he arrived. I wonder whether they were paid
some kind of 'golden hello' on signing up?
No relation.
I never doubted that, Kevin. ;D
If they were expected to buy their own uniforms, a 'golden hello' would probably have been necessary.
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ok - I have reached the pages with weather reports - can someone
please check and see if the pages with no weather reports are
finished? Hopefully, I was the 3rd transcriber for all of the ones
that where not previously looked at.
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Hi Kathy,
I've not been on Pioneer before - I got this page for a
start (records of misc for 24th April).
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%201%20-%20April-July,%201922/IMG_7795_1.jpg
No
weather on 25th April page.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%201%20-%20April-July,%201922/IMG_7796_0.jpg
There don't appear to be any obs to the end of the log on 1st July.
Hope this is helpful.
Must head for bed now though...zed time....
J 8)
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Oops - someone not paying attention. 13th December 1922:
10.00am
Whaleboat left ship for land with 4 seamen. 11.00am Due to tide going
out whaleboat was left high & dry. 11.40am Mr Reading, 3 seamen went
in motorsailer to get the 4 seamen aboard. 12.10pm Motorsailer returned
with whaleboat crew. 3.55pm Mr Reading, 5 seamen left to get the
whaleboat. 4.15pm Motorsailer returned with whaleboat.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%203%20-%20October-December,%201922/IMG_8045_1.jpg
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Yup - that was certainly a '13th' special! ;D
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And the following day they began by going back to pick up some tools they'd left on the beach .... !
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;D
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Oh well, better high & dry than floated away on the rising tide (which lifts all boats)...
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Oh well, better high & dry than floated away on the rising tide (which lifts all boats)...
Their
cost in materials was zero (grounded boats being floatable.) I
wish I was a fly on the wall, listening to their lower deck mateys
commenting on all the extra work they engendered. They'll probably
be hearing about this for months. ;D
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Here's an event to watch for when we get to the 1933 logs:
(http://www.photolib.noaa.gov/700s/theb3161.jpg)
"Boat in shore break in channel islands after getting caught in the surf. Boat off the PIONEER."
Credit: Family of Captain John Ellerbee, C&GS
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Very unpleasant accident on board on 16 January 1923:
Napoleon
Christ Fireman; at about 9.15am this day, while handling a heavy anvil
with Theo Prenglau Eng 2 cl had the bones of the middle finger of his
left hand badly smashed - when laying anvil down after Prenglau had set
his end down the anvil slipped catching Christ's finger between the
anvil and combing - wound dressed as well as possible with equipment on
hand. O.S.R.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%204%20-%20January-March,%201923/IMG_8087_0.jpg
Glad to report he was sent to hospital on the following day:
Napoleon Christ fir. 1cl, sent to Marine Hospital for treatment to smashed 4th finger on left hand.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%204%20-%20January-March,%201923/IMG_8088_0.jpg
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Another failure of Pioneer's recruitment ....
Henson, F. S. Seaman, left ship with manifest intention to desert this day.
I'd love to know how his 'manifest intention' was shown!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%204%20-%20January-March,%201923/IMG_8105_0.jpg
And another one the following day:
Dolan, Timothy, Seaman, absent with manifest intention to desert declared deserter
And there were two other crew members recorded as AWOL.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%204%20-%20January-March,%201923/IMG_8106_0.jpg
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The curse of the Pioneer on crews' fingers continues:
John
McGlynn, Bosn/ch caught middle finger of right hand in block while
clearing same preparatory to hoisting port motorsailer. Flesh of
finger was badly torn with possible injury to bone. Finger dressed
with material from medicine locker.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%204%20-%20January-March,%201923/IMG_8108_1.jpg
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Another failure of Pioneer's recruitment ....
Henson, F. S. Seaman, left ship with manifest intention to desert this day.
I'd love to know how his 'manifest intention' was shown!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%204%20-%20January-March,%201923/IMG_8105_0.jpg
And another one the following day:
Dolan, Timothy, Seaman, absent with manifest intention to desert declared deserter
And there were two other crew members recorded as AWOL.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%204%20-%20January-March,%201923/IMG_8106_0.jpg
That's
as simple as seeing if they've packed and are carrying their all in
their duffel bag when caught - or checking their cubbyhole finding
everything gone.
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I expect that it's in reality - I just enjoyed imagining something a bit more dramatic .... ;D
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what's going on with the crew ???
I am doing Rodgers at the moment and they are still deserting. :-[
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Stuart - what's gone wrong - I left the Rodgers a bunch of love-lorn
sailors to whom every foul tempest was written up as 'pleasant'
weather. Are they all going up the Yukon to see if there's any gold in
them there hills still? :o :-\
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This never happened on RN ships:
11.45am American Express wagon called for three boxes of water samples sent to Schripps Institute - C.O.D.
They're in San Francisco - lucky people. :D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%204%20-%20January-March,%201923/IMG_8125_1.jpg
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Your log keeper can't spell. That would be the Scripps
Institution of Oceanography
(http://sio.ucsd.edu/About/Scripps_Overview/History/)
It's nice that the ship doesn't need the cash to pay for the shipping. :)
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It has been Scripps in the past, and I'm having to steel myself to
TWIS when it comes out in various odd spellings ....
Presumably if they want the water samples, they're going to have
to pay for them!
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Jeepers Stuart! :o That's some list...very organized - unlike the crew! ;D
Thanks
Joan. See also Concord, but blame 'propriome' (Matteo)
he set the standard, now we all have to follow. ;)
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Dimensions of vessel, April to June 1923:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%205%20-%20April-June,%201923/IMG_8166_1.jpg
Bizarrely, it seems to have shrunk by 6 inches in one dimension ...
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"Bizarrely, it seems to have shrunk by 6 inches in one dimension ..."
Well you know how things shrink when they get wet. ;)
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They must have gotten themselves into some hot water ;D
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Beware when entering temps, LEAVE A SPACE between the Dry and Water entries.
(I have just corrected over 350 entries where I entered the temps next to each other. :-[ )
This
is the first ship I have done where they regularly enter the water temp
even in port. also looks like they do not have a wet bulb.
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http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3234.msg52610#msg52610
Weather Page:
Example: http://imageshack.us/a/img850/7796/uscsexample.jpg
The written details are transcribed as follows, though the page you are working on will not display a grid in this way. Note that the order of the columns in the log does not match the order of the columns on the Weather Observation tab.
Note also that the data in some columns is not transcribed and that
some logs do not have all the columns included on the Weather
Observation tab, so, before clicking OK, check that your data is in the
correct fields. It is more important to be accurate than to be fast.
Only transcribe what is written. Ask on the forum for handwriting help
if unsure.
Location | Port Name | Name = Uyak Bay, Kodiak Id.
Date = 28/04/1925
| Hour | | Wind Dir | | Force | | Bar Height | | Ther Attached | | Dry | | Wet | | Water | | Weather Code | | Cloud Code | | Clear Sky | |
| 1 | E | 1 | 29.40 | | 36 | | 33 | bc | | |
| 4 | NW | 1 | 29.42 | | 36 | | 33 | bc | | |
| 5 | - | 0 | 29.42 | | 35 | | 33 | bc | | |
| 6 | ENE | 0-1 | 29.42 | | 36 | | 33 | bc | | |
| 7 | NE | 2-3 | 29.44 | | 36 | | 33 | bc | | |
| 8 | NNE | 3 | 29.44 | | 37 | | 35 | bc | | |
| 9 | " | 4 | .45 | | 39 | | 37 | bc | | |
| 10 | " | 4 | .44 | | 42 | | 39 | bc | | |
| 11 | " | 4 | .43 | | 44 | | 41 | bc | | |
| 12 | " | 4 | .43 | | 45 | | 42 | bc | | |
| 1 | SSW | 2 | .46 | | 48 | | 44 | bc | | |
| 2 | SSW | 1 | .46 | | 48 | | 44 | bc | | |
| 3 | SSW | 1 | .46 | | 48 | | 44 | bc | | |
| 4 | SSW | 1 | .46 | | 46 | | 42 | bc | | |
| 5 | N | 1 | 29.42 | | 41 | | 37 | bc | | |
| 6 | " | 1 | 29.42 | | 41 | | 37 | b | | |
| 7 | " | 1 | 29.42 | | 38 | | 36 | bc | | |
| 8 | " | 2 | 29.42 | | 36 | | 33 | bc | | |
| 9 | WNW | 4 | 29.42 | | 34 | | 31 | | | |
| 10 | WNW | 3 | .41 | | 31 | | 29 | snow | | |
| 11 | " | 3 | .41 | | 30 | | 29 | snow | | |
| 12 | Calm | 0 | .42 | | 30 | | 29 | snow | | |
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Yes, I did look that up, and then forgot later on.
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This came from Kevin this evening, by email. :)
Hi Janet & Gordon -
Here
is a great photo of the Pioneer digging into a head sea. It was donated
to our library in Seattle last week by the grandson of Capt. Alfred M.
Sobieralski (USCS) - one of a collection of 36 pictures dating from the
19-teens on.
Kevin
(https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/myalbum/thumbnail/photo62/2c/9c/966aecae4004__1358056074000.jpg?tw=0&th=720&s=true&nocache=1358055792221&rs=false)
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That certainly makes some of the log entries more vivid!
Thanks very much for posting it, Kevin and Janet. (I will get back
to Pioneer one of these days, promise - when my guilt about neglecting
her overtakes my guilt about not getting on with editing Andes
.... ;D)
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Another case of a deserter:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%203%20-%20October-December,%201922/IMG_8034_1.jpg
One crew sent to hospital, another discharged:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%203%20-%20October-December,%201922/IMG_8041_0.jpg
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As I seem to have inherited the crew list for this ship (even though
I am doing others) can you please PM me with crew changes as I do not
often look a this page.
Ta.
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Big doings on the Pioneer on 8 Sept. 1922:
The Director of
the US C&GS, E. Lester Jones, and also Herbert Hoover, Secretary of
Commerce, along with other assorted Captains, and a reporter from the
Washington Star, Mr. Rogers, came on board for lunch.
The Pioneer
is currently docked at the Lighthouse Dock, or Lighthouse Pier, or
Lighthouse Wharf, depending on who is doing the log book ;D, which
is actually not too far from my house. I'm going to see if I can
talk my hubby into going to Fort Washington, which is where the
dock/pier/wharf is (I think it is still there, because there is still a
marina there). There was a lighthouse there, but it is gone, alas.
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Ooooo -have fun Kathy (I bet he's persuadable!)
J ;)
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Well, the weather insured we would not make the trip this weekend after all - it will need to wait for warmer temps -
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:'( never mind..spring is just round the corner....
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Please would a crew member volunteer to take over the crew list. I am busy with the Concord and do not read this thread.
It is not a hard job, this crew don't desert as often as mine. ;D
Thanks
Stuart.
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Hanibal94 passes the 25,000 mark!
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Thanks, but I fear that will be all for some time.
I've been working on the Cell Slider (http://www.cellslider.net/) project for quite a while now,
because it's much quicker (5 pictures per minute rather than 5 minutes per page!), and because it's about fighting cancer.
There
was also a post in the Daily Zooniverse recently for that project's 1st
birthday saying it is "just over 50% complete", which is great because
the progress checker doesn't keep track of % complete - it only shows
the number of pictures done (currently 1.8 million, meaning the total is
about 3.5 million), so that message was a great motivator.
So my plan is to keep on fighting cancer until Cell Slider is done (hopefully in one year) and then return to the Pioneer.
I'll still be hanging around the forums of course, playing the word games and updating my guestimations on Saturdays.
So long, fellow sailors, and please do not despair - for I will return. I promise.
Captain Hanibal94
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Enjoy the break and don't forget the OW url.
Stuart.
(Looked at Cell slider and did not feel confident in my judgement.)
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Don't forget us, please Hanibal, the forum is always open.
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I have two corrections to the crew list, and I hope it's OK to post them here:
- "~raurff (?), Dimitri" is "Ivanoff, Dimitri"; probably the same already on the list.
- Prentglan
(or Prenglau), Theodor is probably Pren(t)zlau, Theodor (he was the one
who dropped the anvil on Napoleon Christ's finger)
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If I understand correctly, that's what Pommy Stuart suggested - I will send him a PM to be sure.
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T-M
welcome to the top 12 !
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Keep in mind:
The order of the columns in the log does not match the order of the columns on the Weather Observation tab.
The date should be entered where it appears on the first page (the weather page).
Pioneer
-- Reference: Transcription Example and Log Description
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3234.msg52610#msg52610)
;)
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Yes, that's what I'm doing. Did I forget it somewhere?
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Sorry! :-[
It was just a reminder ;)
(Unless you give me a link, I cannot look what you have done.)
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No problem!
I think it's quite easy to get used to the different order.
And besides that the log is quite easy to read (compared to some other logs).
So
I don't know why this is marked "recommended only for experienced
transcribers". For me, some of the standard format logs are harder to
read.
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It is always hard to tell how other people will judge the same log,
and a change in log books or the log keeper can make any comment invalid
::) ;D
Please vote in the poll if you haven't already ;)
(I
have seen a few log keepers with writing so bad that we could submit
their entries to the Ancient Lives project with no one the wiser!)
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%204%20-%20January-March,%201923/IMG_8087_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%204%20-%20January-March,%201923/IMG_8087_1.jpg
Re: Mr Bond and 6 men triangulation at Δ Rest and Mr Reading and 6 men triangulation at Δ Peak
...
I
searched the NGS database, and I think I found both points on San
Clemente Island the crew of the Pioneer was triangulating to:
http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/ds_mark.prl?PidBox=TZ1926
http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/ds_mark.prl?PidBox=TZ1902
Not
only the names fit, both where recovered by the USC&GS in 1923, the
year the log page is from. And for both points the recovery notes of
1923 are from "RRL", which is probably R. R. Lukens, who was the
commanding officer at this date (as seen in the log page).
It's really interesting to see these connections 90 years later. :)
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Thanks for posting this here! :)
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Hello everybody,
I have changed my mind about doing nothing
but Cell Slider. That goal may have been noble, but it is also
practically impossible because of the monotony and the lack of a forum,
of community.
So from now on, I will do Cell Slider for at least 10
minutes each day, but I will also work on OW if I have more time (at
least 20 minutes).
I will start by finishing the Pioneer, and I do hope someone can join me.
Regards,
Captain Hanibal94
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:-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
T-M is your eager new Lieutenant ;D
Maybe Helen will come back - do you have an opening for a chaplain? ;)
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:-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
T-M is your eager new Lieutenant ;D
Maybe Helen will come back - do you have an opening for a chaplain? ;)
Anybody who follows my 10 rules is welcome:
1. No trying to steal my captaincy.
2. Make sure to transcribe all the weather data. ALL OF IT! (Events are optional. I don't do them).
3 -10. No more rules.
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Anybody who follows my 10 rules is welcome:
1. No trying to steal my captaincy.
That would be a fun challenge
If only I didn't have 11 more books to get through on the Patterson :-\
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Once I've finished editing Minerva, I promise I'll start dividing my
time between transcribing and editing; I've been feeling guilty about
abandoning Pioneer. You sound like the right kind of captain, and
given that you're about 20,000 ahead of me I don't think I'll be any
risk to your captaincy!
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:-* ;D
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1. No trying to steal my captaincy.
419 done, only 24967 left. I think I could do this in not more than 5 years. So watch out! ;D
2. Make sure to transcribe all the weather data. ALL OF IT! (Events are optional. I don't do them).
Yes, Sir! ;) I transcribe all of the weather data and some of the more boring events, as nobody else would transcribe them. ;)
3 -10. No more rules.
OK, I think I will remember at least 70 % of the rules. ;D
PS: I tried Cell Slider once, but for me the cells look all the same. :-[
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Anybody who follows my 10 rules is welcome:
1. No trying to steal my captaincy.
That would be a fun challenge
If only I didn't have 11 more books to get through on the Patterson :-\
You're doing great, asterix. Keep it up!
I
might try out the Patterson one day - but first I must finish what I
have already started: Pioneer, Bear, Unalga (in that order).
Once
I've finished editing Minerva, I promise I'll start dividing my time
between transcribing and editing; I've been feeling guilty about
abandoning Pioneer. You sound like the right kind of captain, and
given that you're about 20,000 ahead of me I don't think I'll be any
risk to your captaincy!
Go ahead and finish the Minerva, but then please do come back on board. I do like having you as second-in-command.
1. No trying to steal my captaincy.
419 done, only 24967 left. I think I could do this in not more than 5 years. So watch out! ;D
2. Make sure to transcribe all the weather data. ALL OF IT! (Events are optional. I don't do them).
Yes, Sir! ;) I transcribe all of the weather data and some of the more boring events, as nobody else would transcribe them. ;)
3 -10. No more rules.
OK, I think I will remember at least 70 % of the rules. ;D
PS: I tried Cell Slider once, but for me the cells look all the same. :-[
Seems like you know all you need to know, Lieutenant T-M.
But
are you REALLY sure you can't go any faster? I got to work 8 hours a
day and play my new Batman computer game for at least 1 hour a day, and I
still find plenty of time for OW.
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Found something interesting about problems with the fathometer:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2029%20-%20April-June,%201929/IMG_0613_1.jpg
EDIT: It appears the sonic motor generator needs fixing as well:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2029%20-%20April-June,%201929/IMG_0614_1.jpg
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8)
By 1925 Submarine Signal Corporation was producing improved echo-sounding devices called fathometers.
Echo Sounding (1923-1945) (http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/history/electronic/electronic.html)
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And here's something about a fire in the radio shack:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2029%20-%20April-June,%201929/IMG_0626_1.jpg
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T-M passes the 500 mark!
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Seems like you know all you need to know, Lieutenant T-M.
But
are you REALLY sure you can't go any faster? I got to work 8 hours a
day and play my new Batman computer game for at least 1 hour a day, and I
still find plenty of time for OW.
I
have to admit that Old Weather isn't the only project of Zooniverse I'm
participating in. And most of the time I spend with Notes from Nature,
so Old Weather is only project number two for me.
An than there's this nasty habit of mine. It's called "real life". ;D
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Sounds like a fair division of labor, T-M!! Good for the long haul. ;D
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Well, I must admit I divide my labor too - I do some work on Cell
Slider every now and then, because doing 24 WR/day pages for too long
wears my brain out.
Although I must admit, I did try Notes from Nature out once and it does look rather appealing.....
But I promised to finish the Pioneer.....
*Sigh* There's just too much science and not enough time!
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After over 3 months in port, the Pioneer has set sail for Hawaii.
Not
sure what to say - I'm happy to see she's doing something, but it's a
long voyage, and I know it's gonna be 24 WR per day, every day,
until she gets there.
This will take some time - but the ship has just hit 25% complete! Now is not the time for giving up!
Full sail ahead!
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Just think of the reception you'll get from the pretty young ladies when you arrive in Hawii, Hanibal :D
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And arrived I have! It only took 10 days (March 31st - April 9th, 1930).
Time for ham and pineapples!
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You may need your sunglasses again ;)
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OK, I got 'em.
This is so much better than the frozen North. 8)
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;D
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The logkeeper seems to be adding extra bits of data - once per day, the surface temperature is noted.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2033%20-%20April-June,%201930/IMG_1028_0.jpg
What
should I do? I've been transcribing it as "Event: other" until now,
because I think if this was the water temperature, they would have just
put it in the proper column. They also seem to be using Celsius, even
though the air temperature is given in Fahrenheit.
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It looks pretty much like surface water temp in Celsius to me.
It seemed to be mixed in with the patent log readings a few days
before, although it was clearly identified as surface temp.
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The logkeeper seems to be adding extra bits of data - once per day, the surface temperature is noted.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2033%20-%20April-June,%201930/IMG_1028_0.jpg
What
should I do? I've been transcribing it as "Event: other" until now,
because I think if this was the water temperature, they would have just
put it in the proper column. They also seem to be using Celsius, even
though the air temperature is given in Fahrenheit.
Definitely
Celsius - your example is labeled "C". My instinct says your
events are good, I think I'd have put in the readings box. But I'm
not sure so I asked Philip and Kevin.
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Philip has already given us the OK to put weather readings from the
Remarks into the Weather tab. He will probably figure out that it's in
Celsius.
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I think event:other is exactly right - it's definitely interesting, but we don't know exactly what they are measuring.
Philip
The logkeeper seems to be adding extra bits of data - once per day, the surface temperature is noted.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2033%20-%20April-June,%201930/IMG_1028_0.jpg
What
should I do? I've been transcribing it as "Event: other" until now,
because I think if this was the water temperature, they would have just
put it in the proper column. They also seem to be using Celsius, even
though the air temperature is given in Fahrenheit.
I'm not sure what to answer.
Janet
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Thanks! Event:other it is.
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Hanibal94 passes the 30,000 mark!
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Actually, it was a few days ago.
The ship itself also hit 25% complete.
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jasony23
welcome to the top 12 !
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The buoys we're picking up have interesting names: Boy, Fin and Lot
(I think that's what they're called, I can't read the handwriting so
well)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2034%20-%20July-September,%201930/IMG_1058_1.jpg
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I think that is 'Got' not 'Lot'. Wonder if they drop them in
sequence so as to create a sentence - "Boy Got Fin" or "Fin Got Boy".
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I agree - look at the G in "Weather Gentle"
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You're right. Now I can see it is Got. There was also one called "Egg":
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2034%20-%20July-September,%201930/IMG_1065_1.jpg
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Don't get the Egg too close to the Fire ;)
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Here's something interesting: In the middle of the night, somebody
spots "what appears to be a rocket" off starboard bow, and they search
for a few hours and find nothing (It was August 19th, 1930, just after
leaving Laysan Island, Hawaii)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2034%20-%20July-September,%201930/IMG_1107_1.jpg
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Any sense of what the buoys are used for?
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Those buoy names seems pretty interesting...
Nowaday they would be probably mentioned as Bravo, Echo, Foxtrot and Golf.
In 1941 (see http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq101-1.htm) Baker, Easy, Fox and George.
Before WWII standards were not so strict... "Boy" was used 1913 through 1927... Egg, Fin and Got sounds pretty odd.
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That's what I was thinking, propriome. It does sound rather odd, but perhaps that's just the way they did it.
No idea what they're being used for.
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These buoys appear to be for triangulation reference according to
the Coast Survey technical manual of 1920. Also found this handy volume
on chart-making on line - it has pictures of surveying marks on the
Yukon River bar and other cool stuff:
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/44175/44175-h/44175-h.htm#Page_49
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8)
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There's another one called "Kor":
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2035%20-%20October-December,%201930/IMG_1174_1.jpg
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Here's something nice: "Recieved 8 quarts ice cream from Service Cold Storage" (It may be November, but this is Hawaii!)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2035%20-%20October-December,%201930/IMG_1215_0.jpg
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Bet they never had to arrange cold storage on board, the ice cream vanished shortly after arrival. ;)
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Event page for Christmas Day, 1930: "Holiday observed by all officers and 2/3 of crew"
It certainly wasn't a white Christmas, though - temperatures were above 70 F all day long.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2035%20-%20October-December,%201930/IMG_1243_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2035%20-%20October-December,%201930/IMG_1243_1.jpg
EDIT: New Year's Day was observed as well.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2036%20-%20January-March,%201931/IMG_1256_1.jpg
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VERY IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ
Pommy
Stuart is no longer responsible for keeping track of the crew list.
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4041.0) This is now my job.
If you find anything other than the officer's lists at the beginning of each logbook,
please PM it to me. I don't keep track of the ordinary crew changes,
partly due to a lack of patience for bad handwriting, and partly because
I'm more interested in the science than in the history.
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Another buoy is mentioned - this one is called Able.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2037%20-%20April-June,%201931/IMG_1439_1.jpg
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They celebrated Independence Day:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2038%20-%20July-September,%201931/IMG_1458_1.jpg
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helenj passes the 3000 mark!
Welcome back on board!
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helenj passes the 3000 mark!
Welcome back on board!
Thank
you - it's been a long time! I'm planning to divide my time now
between transcribing and editing. I don't think hanibal needs to
worry about the captaincy though ....
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helenj passes the 3000 mark!
Welcome back on board!
Thank
you - it's been a long time! I'm planning to divide my time now
between transcribing and editing. I don't think hanibal needs to
worry about the captaincy though ....
I
don't need to worry about my captaincy, unless Silvia or leelaht
decides to join - those two are pretty much the only ones who have any
chance of beating me.
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I am intentionally holding back to allow you some glory, Hanibal :P ;D
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What are you talking about, Craig? You're not on the Pioneer.
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I could have been :D :D :D
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Hanibal94 passes the 40,000 mark!
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Congratulations Cap'n! And our ship has reached 30% complete.
An interesting log entry, from 16th June 1923:
Ship
anchored in stream to permit C.G.C. Mojave to tie up to dock for
convenience of Admiral Chase and staff who were onboard. The
Mojave arrived at 5.45.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%205%20-%20April-June,%201923/IMG_8243_1.jpg
And here's a picture of the wonderfully named Jehu Valentine Chase.
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Bad behaviour on board .... 13th July 1923:
E Stout - WO Opr
1c not on board when ship got under way. He returned to ship in
evening after coming alongside the dock, had gone ashore in launch at
11.30 previous night, without permisson. Docked one day's pay and
rations.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%206%20-%20July-September,%201923/IMG_8276_1.jpg
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Anyone know why 10th August 1918 might have been observed as a day
of mourning on board Pioneer? "Received radiography from director
ordering Aug. 10 to be observed as day of mourning." I've looked
at Wiki's list of anniversaries, but nothing looks at all likely.
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I tried a search of the NOAA History site
(http://www.history.noaa.gov/search.html), but could find only one death
in the C&GS before August 10th, 1918, and it doesn't feel right.
http://www.history.noaa.gov/nwsbios/nwsbios_page41.htmlArthur H. Kiefer
- Information has been received that Mr. Arthur H. Kiefer was killed in
France in the offensive against the Germans on July 16, 1918. Mr.
Kiefer was the first employee of the Weather Bureau reported killed in
action. He was appointed a Printer on May 5, 1913, and served
continuously at Columbus, Ohio, until December 27, 1917, when he was
furloughed on account of enlistment in the United States Army. -- July
1918
There
is a broader gov't search page I just found by accident:
http://search.usa.gov/search/ but that is too extensive, it gave me
every death certificate recorded including all the soldiers fighting in
France.
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Don't you mean August 10th, 1923, Helen? The Pioneer wasn't active in 1918.
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Good catch, Hanibal. The whole country went into mourning that week.
From Gregsite: http://www.vaxxine.com/mgdsite/year/1923.html
Died : 08/02/1923 Warren Harding, 29th Pres (1921-23), at Palace Hotel SF at 57
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_G._Harding#Western_travels.2C_illness_and_death
Harding's
casket was placed in the East Room of the White House pending a state
funeral, which was held on August 8, 1923, at the United States Capitol.
...
Harding was entombed in the receiving vault of the Marion Cemetery, Marion, Ohio, on August 10, 1923.
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Duh! Yes of course that's the answer. I can only blame a
fuddled head caused by a lot of driving and a funeral .... Thanks
to you both for sorting me out.
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Sorry to hear that - take care of yourself!
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Thanks Randi - feeling less fuddled today! And I'm glad I had
to do the travelling yesterday, as today it's much wetter and it would
have been horrible.
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helenj passes the 4000 mark!
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On March 20th, 1932, the Pioneer left Hawaii and set sail for San Francisco.
Guess that means I don't need the sunglasses anymore - back to my old avatar it is.
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Nice to see everything clearly? ::) 8)
I like your avatar, with or without sunglasses.
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I'm interested in how regularly Pioneer is asked to supply medical
assistance of one sort or another. This is the latest, and a
rather dramatic one. I'm wondering whether the two pieces of
information are connected?
Mr Reading, in charge Wildcat, brought
request from Rev of Belkofski that if possible the Pioneer bring
medical officer to attend to a man seriously wounded at Kings Cove, then
at Belkofski; also that the Marshall at Umga be notified by wireless of
a prisoner held for shooting. Ship ran to False Pass to take Mr
Nevius aboard.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%206%20-%20July-September,%201923/IMG_8326_1.jpg
Yes, definitely connected - the following day there's this entry:
St'bd
whaleboat, Com'dg officer, medical officer, 6 men ashore. Medical
officer examined corpse of native who died from effect of bullet wound
at 1.40 this morning. Children of village examined for ailments.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%206%20-%20July-September,%201923/IMG_8327_1.jpg
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I was working on a page for Thetis when I discovered that the Marine Hospital Service (MHS) ("established in 1798 to provide for the medical care of merchant seamen") led to the development of the National Institutes of Health!
http://history.nih.gov/exhibits/history/index.html
...
There was a P.H.&M.H.S.R. (Public Health and Marine Hospital Service Reserve) on Sledge Island, near Nome:
http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~2238~190101:Department-Of-The-Interior-General-?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=w4s:/where/Alaska/when/1906;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=1&trs=2
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Nice to see everything clearly? ::) 8)
I like your avatar, with or without sunglasses.
Why, thank you.
When
it comes to avatars, there's nothing better than a sky-blue pegasus
with a rainbow mane and tail who can create giant tornados, fly up to
ten times the speed of sound and win a death battle against an evil
giant alien robot, right?
(Note: Google "Starscream VS Rainbow Dash" to view the death battle. I can't post the link because it's not family friendly.)
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Couldn't have put it better myself .... :D :D
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;D
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Apparently a new nightwatchman forgot to enter a total of four weather readings.
Hope they relieved him of his duties!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2041%20-%20April-June,%201932/IMG_1788_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2041%20-%20April-June,%201932/IMG_1789_0.jpg
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Or more to the point, taught what to do and the disciplinary consequences to not doing it. 8)
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More medical dramas on board Pioneer; this time they're carrying out
surgery for appendicitis, and a nurse has been brought in to help.
Miss Fuller Nurse, aboard to assist Medical Officer in operation on Bouchers, A to E
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%206%20-%20July-September,%201923/IMG_8333_0.jpg
The
story page gives the full story - they seem to have spent most of the
day searching for the launch which had the nurse aboard (though at one
of their failed attempts, they did at least get some fresh milk).
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%206%20-%20July-September,%201923/IMG_8333_1.jpg
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Yeuch - this entry gives a picture of life onboard which makes me glad not to be there:
Fire
discovered in cabin. Wood shavings beneath bunk ignited from pantry
below where mess attendants were burning out cock-roaches.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%206%20-%20July-September,%201923/IMG_8341_1.jpg
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25th August 1932:
Barometer taken to San Francisco Weather Bureau for calibration.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2042%20-%20July-September,%201932/IMG_1905_0.jpg
(cross - posted to the Barometers, Instrumentation and Specifications thread in "The Logs and FAQ")
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The pages for September 1st and 2nd, 1932, seem to be completely
missing - not just never uploaded, but never scanned either:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2042%20-%20July-September,%201932/IMG_1911_0.jpg - August 31st
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2042%20-%20July-September,%201932/IMG_1912_0.jpg
- September 3rd
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Notified PTB ;)
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Found 'em! They were at the very end of the log book.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2042%20-%20July-September,%201932/IMG_1941_0.jpg - Sep 30
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2042%20-%20July-September,%201932/IMG_1942_0.jpg - Sep 1
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2042%20-%20July-September,%201932/IMG_1943_0.jpg - Sep 2
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2042%20-%20July-September,%201932/IMG_1944_0.jpg - Blank page
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Notified PTB ;)
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Yeuch - this entry gives a picture of life onboard which makes me glad not to be there:
Fire
discovered in cabin. Wood shavings beneath bunk ignited from pantry
below where mess attendants were burning out cock-roaches.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%206%20-%20July-September,%201923/IMG_8341_1.jpg
It could always have been worse:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/doctor-pulls-2cm-long-cockroach-from-hendrik-helmers-ear-9052158.html
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The title of that article is quite enough for me - I need an emoticon for yeeeuurgh ....
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An ink blot fell right on top of two bits of data: >:(
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2043%20-%20October-December,%201932/IMG_2011_0.jpg
I entered the top bit as 29.94, but had to enter the bottom one as 29.~~ because of that dumb blot.
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Yep. The computer will read that as "illegible" - which is very true. :'(
It's not as bad as the huge Rorschach ink blot we had in an RN log, that won the contest for messiest.
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Yep. The computer will read that as "illegible" - which is very true. :'(
It's not as bad as the huge Rorschach ink blot we had in an RN log, that won the contest for messiest.
Ah
yes... I remember that. I entered a note saying a few pages were
removed from the log because somebody spilled oil on them, and got an
honorable mention for it.
I can't find the note in my list of posts
(did somebody delete the topic?), but I do remember it was written in
ultra-polite Britspeak.
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We cleared out/rearranged thousands of posts before we started the
American logs - the forum needed to not confuse by giving instructions
for the wrong interface.
It was a very impressive pressing of a spilled ink bottle.
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Seems like the Patterson is not the only USC&GS ship to get mass desertions in port:
4 May 1923 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%205%20-%20April-June,%201923/IMG_8200_0.jpg)
Lundin A, Fire 1 cl
Strom, A, Fire 1 cl
Lynch Geo, Fire 1 cl
Lund, Carl, Seaman AB
Jacobson, Bertrand, Seaman AB
Christopherson, AA, Seaman AB
left ship with evident intention to desert.
Declared deserters this date
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Remember those cockroaches? Well, they've nearly been dealt with - but not quite.
7.50
Public Health officials aboard to prepare ship for fumigation. 8.45 All
officers and men ashore ship in hands of P.H. officials. 8.45am
to 2.12pm Ship being fumigated. 1.30pm Chief Engineer and engine
room watch allowed aboard. 2.12 P.H. Officials turned ship
back to O.D. Crew allowed aboard. Ship completely aired except for after
hold. 2.20 Public Health Officials ashore. Crew turned to
on work at hand - straightening up etc. Fumigated with cyanide and
sulphuric acid. Inspection of ship after fumigation showed a few live
cockroaches in oscillator compartment and CPO mess room.
I love
the bit about them 'straightening up etc' - I can imagine them muttering
darkly about how untidy those wretched Public Health officials were
....
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%207%20-%20October-December,1923/IMG_8378_1.jpg
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gastcra
welcome to the top 12 !
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asterix135
welcome to the top 12 !
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;D
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Observant captain is very observant.
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The pages for January 2nd, 1933, seems to be completely missing - never scanned, never uploaded.
I tried looking at the end of the log book, but couldn't find it there either.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2044%20-%20January-March,%201933/IMG_2052_0.jpg - Jan 1st
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2044%20-%20January-March,%201933/IMG_2053_0.jpg - Jan 3rd
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2044%20-%20January-March,%201933/IMG_2140_0.jpg - Mar 31st
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2044%20-%20January-March,%201933/IMG_2141_0.jpg - Blank page
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The pages for January 2nd, 1933, seems to be completely missing - never scanned, never uploaded.
I tried looking at the end of the log book, but couldn't find it there either.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2044%20-%20January-March,%201933/IMG_2052_0.jpg - Jan 1st
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2044%20-%20January-March,%201933/IMG_2053_0.jpg - Jan 3rd
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2044%20-%20January-March,%201933/IMG_2140_0.jpg - Mar 31st
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2044%20-%20January-March,%201933/IMG_2141_0.jpg - Blank page
I don't think it is a scanner mistake, I think the log keeper put 2 pages on one day, and forgot to label the second day. The comment page does include both dates.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2044%20-%20January-March,%201933/IMG_2052_1.jpg
It was New Year's Day, after all; I wonder how hung over they all were on the second. ;)
Hanibal,
I strongly recommend sticking to the TWYS rule about the dates; I'll
post it in "Listing Faulty Scans" and inform Philip and Kevin, even tho
this isn't a scan problem.
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Oh, I didn't notice that. Thanks Janet - I'll leave everything the way it was, including the times in the weather entries.
Perhaps they were trying to save space. On the Pioneer, Jan 1st is always the start of a new log book.
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I have another question concerning surface temperatures: Sometimes,
the geographical location is given, but not the time as in this case:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2044%20-%20January-March,%201933/IMG_2090_0.jpg
I've
been transcribing them in "Event: Other" as written. Here's how I did
the one above: Surface Temp.: 12.5 C at 33? 08? N and 120? 15? W
I don't use the coordinates when entering the actual location, though.
Is this OK or should I do it differently?
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The Surface temp was taken at 11am or noon - the line it is on
determines that, and check the noon location readings below to confirm
that. I'd use the 11am time in the weather tab, and yes - I'd put
the location data in, but use the location tab.
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Hi T-M, good to see you back!
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On Pioneer, the Medical Officer has just come back from his annual
leave, and immediately gone on sick leave - not a very good
advertisement for the powers of holidays. ::)
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The classic "I need a vacation to recover from my vacation"?
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:D :D :D
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Here's some unfortunate stuff: On March 16th, 1933, the engine broke
at 2.45 pm, so they had to call another ship and get towed in.
At least they arrived safely in Long Beach the next day.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2044%20-%20January-March,%201933/IMG_2125_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2044%20-%20January-March,%201933/IMG_2126_1.jpg
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They were lucky that there was another ship in the vicinity.
Don't want that happening in Alaska!
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helenj passes the 5000 mark!
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I like this entry from the log on 20th February 1924, which changes my image of life on board Pioneer a bit:
'Sent
this day to Pantorium Dye works to be dyed 7 Portiers, 52 small
curtains.' Does anyone know what a Portier (I think that's the
transcription) is? I wonder where all those small curtains
belonged?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%208%20-%20January-March,%201924/IMG_8516_0.jpg
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pictures at http://www.draperydesignblog.com/2009/02/portiere-panels.html
The
basic definition of portiere is a "curtain hung over a door".
Portiere curtains or panels are a beautiful way to treat an interior
opening. This may be an opening near an exterior door to help
eliminate drafts, a door to a master bath to provide privacy or just as a
decoration between a living and dining room to provide a beautiful and
dramatic softness and drape.
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Thank you Janet, that's the answer I'm sure - I suspect these ones
may have been a bit more functional than in this description though!
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Ships are not homes, for sure - any additional privacy and draft-blockage must have been welcome.
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Could they have been for berths? I don't know about the
Pioneer, but I have been on ships that have curtains around the
berths. They are great for privacy, especially if you have a
different schedule than your roommates. Maybe the portiers were
larger or fancier than the curtains and for the officers?
Here's a link with a pic:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/USS_John_C._Stennis_%28CVN-74%29_bunks.jpg/800px-USS_John_C._Stennis_%28CVN-74%29_bunks.jpg
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They could well have been - that would make a lot more sense than
portholes or something similar which was what I'd had in mind. I
wonder who decided what colour they were going to be dyed? Did
they do it all democratically, or did they all get done in the Captain's
favourite shade?
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;D yea, I was wondering why they were being dyed, too.
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Life on board Pioneer begins to seem quite civilized - not only do
they have newly dyed curtains, they've also just received a box of books
from the Seattle Public Library .... :D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%208%20-%20January-March,%201924/IMG_8539_0.jpg
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Worthington Pump Company
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worthington_Corporation#Worthington_Pump_and_Machinery_Corporation_.281916.E2.80.931952.29
http://www.history.navy.mil/library/special/contract24.htm
Seattle Hardware Company
http://content.lib.washington.edu/cdm4/results.php?CISOOP1=any&CISOBOX1=For.Seattle&CISOFIELD1=text&CISOOP2=all&CISOBOX2=curtis%2C+asahel%2C+1874-1941&CISOFIELD2=creato&CISOROOT=all&t=s&CISOSTART=1,181
http://content.lib.washington.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/seattle&CISOPTR=2891&CISOBOX=1&REC=20
::)
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Independence Day celebrations, 1933:
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Definitely written after a day of celebration - too buzzed to remember what the weather was. ;D
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helenj passes the 6000 mark!
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We're back to 24 WR a day now - so it's quicker to make progress ;D
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wendolk (Kathy)
About time you get back to work!
Err, I mean
Welcome back !
:-*
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Actually, Randi, you were right the first time. ;D
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Welcome back on board, Kathy - nice to have some more company on the Pioneer!
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Aw shucks - ::)
Thanks for the welcome - it is rather like coming home. :-*
Now
that the run-up to Christmas and the holidays have passed - a very busy
time of year for me - I'll be doing more transcribing.
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Excellent - this is a crack crew!
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In the 1933 sense of the word ;D
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I'd rather be rum than crack - :P
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I'd rather be rum than crack - :P
:D :D :D
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On 2nd May 1924, written on the first half of log pages.
Note
- On arrival at beach two natives who had come over portage, were
interviewed. They said that the plane had been seen from the Packers
cannery heading NW towards Bering Sea. For that reason no search was
made and party returned to the ship. (Signed) R. R. Lukens
The
previous day they'd recorded talking to a launch about a missing
airplane, and then later hearing from a native that it had not been
seen.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%209%20-%20April-June,%201924/IMG_8597_0.jpg
And here's a bit more of the story from the matching narrative page:
9:00
Whaleboat left ship with Mr Hoskinson, Mr Whalen, Mr Taylor, and crew
to search for Major Martin & mechanician between Kuiukta Bay &
Chignik. 9:30 Whaleboat returned to ship, last report, plane
heading NW toward Behring Sea
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%209%20-%20April-June,%201924/IMG_8597_1.jpg
They're still looking - on 26th May there's another entry re Major Martin.
Lt Bissel USA (from USCG Haida) came aboard for consultation with Comdg Officer in re search for Major Martin.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%209%20-%20April-June,%201924/IMG_8622_1.jpg
Finally
got time to follow up this story - the good news is that Major Martin
and his mechanic had been found safe on 10th May. This tells a bit
of their story. I think I'm going to have to follow it up more
.... It could be useful to the eventual editor of this log.
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=992
This is the day they set out and were lost:
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=969
This
gives some background - he was part of a US Army Air Service attempt to
fly around the world in a team of four planes. Three of them
succeeded, arriving back in the US on September 28th, having left on
April 6th.
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=751
And a New York Times article about their return home:
http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/0928.html#article
And more about Major Martin - he is buried at Arlington Cemetery:
http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/flmartin.htm
And finally, a picture of both crew:
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Ah, the demon drink! On Pioneer in July 1924:
2.15AM. A
fight occurred between J E Johnson Sh Cook 1 cl and J Wells seaman in
which Johnson struck Wells with his fist and after Wells had stabbed
Johnson with a penknife also hit Wells over the head with a coal shovel.
Both men had been drinking. Wells bruised about face with cut over eye.
Johnson a four inch cut on chest wall.
On the log page they're both recorded as being on the sick list until further record ....
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I have to wonder if J Wells, seaman, considered how hard it will be
to not be given the burnt ends of whatever is on the menu after
this. It is really not a good idea to get your cook angry at you.
;)
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Burnt ends might be the least of it! On 4th August they're both back on duty, so they've obviously healed OK.
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The log keeper messed up this page
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2048%20-%20January-March,%201934/IMG_0480_0.jpg)completely
- just look at it!
That is one of the most Whisky Tango Foxtrot things I have ever seen on OW.
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It looks like it was the writer's error, copying from the deck log
into the clean log. He didn't even get the day right, that date
was a Saturday. and he first copied in Monday's location and
Friday's weather . Did anyone check if he'd been stealing from the
grog supply?
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Actually, it looks like he mistook the 29th for the 27th due to bad
handwriting in the original.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2048%20-%20January-March,%201934/IMG_0480_1.jpg
Nice to know we're not the only ones who get stuff wrong!
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Hanibal94 passes the 50,000 mark!
;D
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Nice work Hanibal94! ;)
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Bravo zulu for sorting that charlie --
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Way to go, Hanibal 8)
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Congratulations, Cap'n!
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Bravo zulu for sorting that charlie --
Nice work Hanibal94! ;)
Way to go, Hanibal 8)
Congratulations, Cap'n!
Thanks! It was quite an effort - you wanna stay up till 1.30 am listening to Rammstein to stay awake, be my guest.
Unfortunately,
it appears my time on her is running out - according to my
guestimations, one voyage on this ship lasts about 53.000 WR, and I am
very close to that - I think 1934 is the last year of logs that have
been uploaded, and I just started May 1934.
P.S. I just found out the pages for May 2nd and May 3rd are out of order:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2049%20-%20April-June,%201934/IMG_0580_0.jpg - May 1st
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2049%20-%20April-June,%201934/IMG_0581_0.jpg - May 3rd
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2049%20-%20April-June,%201934/IMG_0582_0.jpg - May 2nd
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2049%20-%20April-June,%201934/IMG_0583_0.jpg - May 4th
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Ship writer is paying attention to his page turnings. :)
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helenj passes the 7000 mark!
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Nice one, Lieutenant!
Now do it 7 more times, and you can be Captain. I double dare you!
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Well, I'm committed to keeping going until the end - but I'm not
sure I'll manage to overtake you. I had quite a gap in
transcribing and I suspect that might have blown my chances ....
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That, and your self-imposed limit of 100 WR per day.
The only way you could possibly overtake me is if you manage to do a whole voyage by yourself.
But that would only work if nobody else jumps on board until you're done, which is very unlikely in my opinion.
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I fear you're right - but I'm not really bothered. I've been
captain a couple of times already, and am now happy to be a humble
lieutenant!
8) 8)
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On November 28th, 1934, the Pioneer took in tow a disabled yacht off Point Vicente, CA (Cross-posted in the Dockside Cafe).
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helenj passes the 8000 mark!
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You don't want your galley crew falling out with one another ... On March 1st 1925:
A
quarrel occurred about noon between Gervacio Zapata, Officers' Cook,
and Ray R Rivera, Mess Attendent, 1st Cl. The latter stabbed the cook in
the left shoulder, using a small pocket knife. A wound 1/2 inch deep
and 3/4 inch long was inflicted. This was dressed at once by the Dr
Scroggs of the Str Discoverer, the injury not being of a serious nature.
For punishment see log of Mar 2nd.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2012%20-%20January-March,%201925/IMG_8925_1.jpg
The culprit was discharged the following day as a result.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2012%20-%20January-March,%201925/IMG_8926_0.jpg
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The cook is really one person no one should want to annoy!!
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helenj passes the 9000 mark!
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Thank you Randi! :D :D
Here's a nice example of
'don't blame us, we did everything we should have done' .... 'McCarthy
Seaman, attached to ship from Wildcat said to be tubercular. Wired
Washington for permission to send him back to Seattle. When
shipped passed by San Francisco Public Health doctor.'
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2013%20-%20April-June,%201925/IMG_9013_0.jpg
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On October 22nd and 23rd, 1935, she appears to have experienced Force 10 winds! :o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2055%20-%20October-December,%201934/IMG_1167_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2055%20-%20October-December,%201934/IMG_1168_0.jpg
Then again, it may just be a mistake - it kinda looks like they wrote it down wrong and didn't correct it properly.
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If it had really jumped from force 1 to 10 inside an hour while the
barometer was rising, they wouldn't have noted the the weather on the
comment page as being "light airs". ;)
I'm confident the analysts will spot that easily.
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I wonder if they scratched out the 1's (they look a little fuzzy) and replaced them with 0's.
It would certainly be correct to transcribe them as 10's, but I think that Philip's guess enthusiastically rule could be applied here to transcribe them as 0's :-\
- Janet / Caro?
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I actually checked the previous comment page because those 1's
looked like surrounded by water spot stain. But there are no water
stains on the back side of the page. I'm very comfortable with
both choices. Randi is right about Philip's "guess
enthusiastically" and the transcribers who don't visit the forum don't
know that - they only know TWYS and it would be nice to agree with them
so the analysts get shown the problem.
Transcriber's choice on this one, I think.
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OK, I transcribed it as 10 because I follow TWYS very strictly. But as Janet J said, the analysts should spot it easily.
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Just to clarify - I am NOT saying that you shouldn't TWYS.
When you are not sure what you see, you have to guess.
The question is do I see a 10 or do I see a 1 that was scratched out and replaced by a 0. I am not sure.
If Philip sees all 10's, he will realize that there is an error in the log book.
If Philip sees a mix of 0's and 10's, he will realize that there was a problem reading the log book.
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This is turning out to be a binary problem.
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(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-060.gif) Hanibal94 passes the 60,000 mark! (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-061.gif)
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wendolk (Kathy) passes the 250 mark!
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Thanks!
And I got more good news: My voyage on the Pioneer is now complete.
It turns out the current set of logs start on April 8th, 1922 and end
on December 31st, 1935 (I've added that useful bit of info to her
reference).
Now let's see - I have unfinished business on the Bear
and Unalga, but the Bear already has Silvia, Craig, Janet L and
sometimes Stuart working on her, so that should be enough to get her to
VAL without me. Guess it's the Unalga then - Poor Matteo's gonna have to
fight if he wants to stay Captain!
But first, I shall celebrate my
victory with some nice reading materials - as you can see, I enjoy a
wide variety of good literature:
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Good work, Hanibal 8)
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Congratulations, Hannibal! Hope you enjoy your new voyage on
Unalga - having had a break with your varied reading materials!
I'll keep on sending you the crew changes on Pioneer.
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helenj (Helen J) passes the 10,000 mark!
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Thank you Randi! If hanibal's voyage is a good guide, there's
only about another 50,000 to go ::) ::) If anyone feels like
joining me ....
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Only 50,000 left to go on the Bear and I'll be right with you ;D
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Only 50,000 left to go on the Bear and I'll be right with you ;D
If we work at the same speed, we ought to pass one another on the gangplank .... :D
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Actually, I think Craig is much faster than you, Helen - he does at least 3 hours a day, if my memory is correct.
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Actually, I think Craig is much faster than you, Helen - he does at least 3 hours a day, if my memory is correct.
I'm
afraid I thought that might be the case - but I liked the picture of us
crossing on the gangplank! Well, it might mean I get some company
which would be nice.
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I will be looking out for you just the same, Helen ;)
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T-M
Welcome back !
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PIONEER MAKES IT TO 46%!
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MAPurves
welcome to the top 12 !
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wendolk (Kathy)
Keep going !!!
:-*
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I'm glad to be back. My new PC's hard drive failed, and it took
nearly three weeks to get a replacement, and then I had to spend three
days to re-install all the various programs and files. However,
everything is now tickety-boo, and I can get back to doing real work,
like sounding the waters around East Cove Bay in the Aleutians in the
grey damp gloomy soggy weather. (I saw the the first weather code of 'g'
yesterday.)
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What a mess. We are glad to get you back. :)
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Glad you've made it back - there are plenty more gloomy days to come! :D
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MAPurves's new PC
Welcome back !
;)
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;D ;D
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Look after Michael, he was a good exec officer on the Concord. ;)
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Look after Michael, he was a good exec officer on the Concord. ;)
They're
an easier bunch, either that or their captain is more tolerant. I've
seen only one report of disorderly crew so far. The Concord had more
than that in just one day. ;D
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Something to make one ponder the wonders of spelling and, at the same time, try to imagine a person with viscous habits...
viscous: having a thick, sticky consistency between solid and liquid; having a high viscosity.
S.
N. Christensen, Fir. 1C. discharged, (deficiency of mental balance,
viscous habits) [intimidated firemen] paid in full. :-\
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Look after Michael, he was a good exec officer on the Concord. ;)
They're
an easier bunch, either that or their captain is more tolerant. I've
seen only one report of disorderly crew so far. The Concord had more
than that in just one day. ;D
The deserters are still following me about. I have had a few on the Albatross so far.
I am starting to develop a complex. %^(
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;D
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Pioneer does have the odd deserter, and quite a few AWOL. And they discharge men for ineptitude from time to time ....
We're
delighted to have Michael and will look after him well, I promise - and
Kathy, and everyone else! It's a long voyage, and we need all the
help we can get .... ;D
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You are lucky to have Michael since he sees twice as much as most people ;)
(though if 'they' haven't fixed the problem yet, I wouldn't write one check much less two ;D)
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You are lucky to have Michael since he sees twice as much as most people ;)
(though if 'they' haven't fixed the problem yet, I wouldn't write one check much less two ;D)
I'll
be seeing twice as much as the rest of you for a while yet; I need a
few, maybe three, sets of measurements, with the first at the end of
May, and the others at three month intervals after that. (At least that
was the process the first time.) However, it's a bonus at this time of
year, lots more cherry and plum blossoms, daffodils, tulips, etc to look
at. :)
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MAPurves passes the 500 mark!
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pommystuart (Pommy Stuart) passes the 500 mark!
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I hereby do formally request two weeks leave from Pioneer for two
weeks beginning Tuesday, 0800. I've been ordered to go to San Francisco
to visit one daughter for a few days, then proceed directly to Vancouver
to help another one pack for her move to Toronto. ::)
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Oh, well - if you have two of your top bosses giving you direct
orders, you have not choice at all!! Enjoy that trip, if not the
packing and moving. :)
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Why is it they order me to help pack etc, but never order to me to
spend time entering old weather data??? The younger generation seems to
have a different set of priorities. ;) Oh well, I have been
promised a trip to one of my favourite California wineries; they make a
killer Cabernet Sauvignon. Sadly, I can bring only two bottles back
across the border. :'(
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;D
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Why
is it they order me to help pack etc, but never order to me to spend
time entering old weather data??? The younger generation seems to have a
different set of priorities. ;) Oh well, I have been promised a
trip to one of my favourite California wineries; they make a killer
Cabernet Sauvignon. Sadly, I can bring only two bottles back across the
border. :'(
You'll just need to bring some back inside you ....
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So much wine, such a tiny stomach.. :-[
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When the kids visit you they can bring back two each for you.
Ship is in Frisco 01/01/1924. 15oF
I did not realise it got that cold there even in mid winter.
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I was in Vancouver 29 Dec 1968 when the temperature was 0F
(-17.8C). Pretty cold day for riding a motorcycle (1967 Triumph
Bonneville).
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NICE BIKE. 8)
Vancouver is a bit higher than Frisco.
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Here's my baby on the banks of the Peace River after a trip
Vancouver - Los Angeles - Vancouver - Prince George - Fort St. John. I
would have kept going to Alaska, except that in those days, 1968, the
Alaska Highway became two lanes of gravel just north of Charlie Lake
which is located around Mile 57. The idea of 1400 miles of gravel to get
to Alaska and 1400 more miles of gravel to return was a bit of a
damper.
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Leave it to me in your will.
;D
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Sorry. Sold it to pay for my last year of university. It's only a memory now.
You're really tearing through the Pioneer logs. I suspect you'll be done the whole voyage before I get back from SFO.
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I must say the remarks are a little brief. We don't know what the
carpenters were doing, or the plumbers. Who was standing watch in the
fireroom? Did they parade any marines when a ship passed, or did they at
least dip their flags? What were the hourly engine RPMs? The hourly
currents? When did the tides change? How deep was the water under their
hull at the change of each watch? Did the painters paint anything and if
so, what? (Perhaps I was on Concord too long.) ;D
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Not sure if this goes hear in in instruments?
Pioneer 22 Feb 1924.
"barometer corr applied + 07"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%208%20-%20January-March,%201924/IMG_8518_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%208%20-%20January-March,%201924/IMG_8518_0.jpg)
another correction made 26 Feb 1924
"barometer corr applied + 07"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%208%20-%20January-March,%201924/IMG_8522_0.jpg
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Either or both. Reposted there too, now.
Not sure if this goes hear in in instruments?
Pioneer 22 Feb 1924.
"barometer corr applied + 07"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%208%20-%20January-March,%201924/IMG_8518_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%208%20-%20January-March,%201924/IMG_8518_0.jpg)
another correction made 26 Feb 1924
"barometer corr applied + 07"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%208%20-%20January-March,%201924/IMG_8522_0.jpg
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You're really tearing through the Pioneer logs. I suspect you'll be done the whole voyage before I get back from SFO.
Wow! He certainly is!
As the Captain, I am very pleased.
But
I don't think Stuart will finish his voyage that fast - the last page
is December 31st, 1935, and the last nine months have 24 WR / day EVERY
SINGLE DAY.
It took me forever to get through that, and I fear Stuart will have to face the same if he wants to finish his voyage.
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Gee hanibal give me some encouragement why don't you :P
Another +07 bara correction
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I
must say the remarks are a little brief. We don't know what the
carpenters were doing, or the plumbers. Who was standing watch in the
fireroom? Did they parade any marines when a ship passed, or did they at
least dip their flags? What were the hourly engine RPMs? The hourly
currents? When did the tides change? How deep was the water under their
hull at the change of each watch? Did the painters paint anything and if
so, what? (Perhaps I was on Concord too long.) ;D
;D ;D ;D
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pommystuart (Pommy Stuart) passes the 1000 mark!
;)
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pommystuart (Pommy Stuart) passes the 1000 mark!
;)
1500 if you don't mind. ;)
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pommystuart (Pommy Stuart) passes the 1500 mark!
Now. It wasn't then ;D
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Here's another one:
Barometer correction applied + 07
April 6, 1924
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Could you be so kind, Janet, and post to instruments.
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Pioneer reaches 48%! Go, crew ..... !
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Pioneer reaches 48%! Go, crew ..... !
I
am going - to San Francisco to visit children. It's up to you and
Stuart for the next two weeks. I leave Pioneer heading back to False
Pass after a rainy winter in Seattle, April 19, 1924.
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Done.
Here's another one:
Barometer correction applied + 07
April 6, 1924
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Could you be so kind, Janet, and post to instruments.
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MAPurves passes the 1000 mark!
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Pioneer.
Yet more adjustments to the bara of +0.7 on each of these dates.
Barometer correction of +0.7 on the
16th, 17th, 19th, 21st through to the 30th April 1924.
Note in log book on these dates that 'No thermometer attached'
29th and 30th April 1924.
What gives with all these corrections as no attached temps have ever been give,?
(Also posted on Instruments board.)
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Yet more adjustments to the bara of +0.7 on each of these dates.
Barometer correction of +0.7 on the
16th, 17th, 19th, 21st through to the 30th April 1924.
Note in log book on these dates that 'No thermometer attached'
29th and 30th April 1924.
What gives with all these corrections as no attached temps have ever been given?
(Also posted on Instruments board.)
They're just following the rules like good little sailors are supposed to.
Oh, and attached temperatures do turn up, but not until Jan 30th 1935:
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Be careful when you get to them, because the order of columns in the log does not match the order in the WR entry boxes.
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What rules?
Also interesting
1 May 1924.
6:00 (am) Stopped to report loss of airplane to Launch 'Jupiter'
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2 May 1924
Note-
On arrival at beach two natives who had come over portage, were
interviewed. They said that the plane had been seen from Packers Cannery
heading NW towards Bering Sea. For that reason no search was made and
party returned to the ship.
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See Helen's post: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3341.msg82966;topicseen#msg82966
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Looks like it's all been noted before.
Thanks Helen.
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One of the most interesting events in Pioneer's normally uneventful life!
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5 July 1924 seems to be missing I went from 4 to 6th.
One less birthday at sea. ;)
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What do you mean, the birthday is missing - the 4th of July is there in its entire, you said. :)
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???, the 4th is only a nations Birthday, the 5th IS MINE :P
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aaahhhh! Maybe it was missing from the log because they all went to celebrate your foreseen birth. ;D ;D
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My Dad told My Mum to hold on till the 5th July.
English National Health started on that day so I was a free birth. ;D
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5 July 1924 seems to be missing I went from 4 to 6th.
One less birthday at sea. ;)
Would you please give me a link? I will report the problem.
Gina has been scanning/rescanning missing and badly scanned pages ;)
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pommystuart (Pommy Stuart) passes the 2000 mark!
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5 July 1924 seems to be missing I went from 4 to 6th.
One less birthday at sea. ;)
Would you please give me a link? I will report the problem.
Gina has been scanning/rescanning missing and badly scanned pages ;)
5th
July 1924
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(I got the Misc page for the 5th but not the weather page.)
I thought another third transcriber had done it but I have done all before and after that one.
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It does seem a bit odd, but at least the page has been scanned and loaded so there is not a problem at Gina's end.
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OK, I don't think one page will change the overall predictions.
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Just curious.
Why are the outer cover pics of the log books upside down?
This is the first vessel I have seen then that way.
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I can't tell you why, but I can tell you they're all like that, at
least as far as I've reached. Just one of life's little mysteries
.... (along with why her logkeepers seem to think that entering Lat or
Long is for other people ....)
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;)
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Maybe they knew you were going to be working on it, Stuart, and they thought it would be right side up for you ;D
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;D
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:o :P
;)
50% and on the home run. 8)
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Who forgot to pay the Post Office Bill?
7 Nov 1924.
Smootly sheet "A" with boat sheets, descriptive report, forwarded to Washington office by registered mail.
Post office refused to accept this package.
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They may not have tied or taped it properly - they get very fussy
about packaging, don't want to be blamed for wrecking a package because
the customer didn't fasten it properly. Tho it might also be an
address missing.
Just the two most common reasons this side of the pond.
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:o :P
;)
50% and on the home run. 8)
Hooray! Downhill all the way from now on ....
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I have wondered about this for some time now and not worked out the answer (if any)
What determines the time and amount of info that goes on to a log page.
Pioneer is in dry dock
This page has 1am, which is sometimes there and others not.
Then the usual in port 4, 8, 12, 4, 8, 12.
BUT they have thrown in 8am and 10am weather codes only.
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Why?
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In dry dock, it might not be kept by any of its own crew - the
dockyard might be supplying the labor. Beyond that, it might just
be convenience.
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I have wondered about this for some time now and not worked out the answer (if any)
What determines the time and amount of info that goes on to a log page.
Pioneer is in dry dock
This page has 1am, which is sometimes there and others not.
Then the usual in port 4, 8, 12, 4, 8, 12.
BUT they have thrown in 8am and 10am weather codes only.
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Why?
It
looks like they wanted to show when it started to rain. I saw
something similar when they were in drydock the previous winter. As for
me, we've left the land of free wine tasting in grocery stores, but we
are still on the eastern shore of Georgia Strait: helping "children"
packing for their move to Toronto the Good. We did get our maximum
allotment of four bottles of California wine across the border. :)
:) :) :)
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Don't spend that wine on the movers - even you and your kids will be
to worn out to enjoy. Preserve it to celebrate your arrival
home. :)
(What free wine tasting in grocery stores?
If you pick the right store, you get sample foods to munch to encourage
added purchases, but wine tasting there is very rare, even in the
US. Winery stores yes, grocery stores no. Usually.)
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"We did get our maximum allotment of four bottles of California wine across the border. :) :) :) :) "
Save on for Sept 2015.
Maybe see you then.
Here is another mixed page.
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No real pattern to entries.
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Don't
spend that wine on the movers - even you and your kids will be to worn
out to enjoy. Preserve it to celebrate your arrival home. :)
(What
free wine tasting in grocery stores? If you pick the right store,
you get sample foods to munch to encourage added purchases, but wine
tasting there is very rare, even in the US. Winery stores yes,
grocery stores no. Usually.)
Ssshhh!
Don't let the kids know we have wine. We have food tasting in grocery
stores here, too, but not wine. I suppose only in California. The free
wine wasn't enough of an incentive to overcome the challenge of driving
the I680 at 8:00 a.m. on a Wednesday morning. I think we'll stick it out
in Victoria.
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"We did get our maximum allotment of four bottles of California wine across the border. :) :) :) :) "
Save on for Sept 2015.
Maybe see you then.
Here is another mixed page.
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No real pattern to entries.
The
wine is waiting for you. Beer, too. As for the weather, it looks
like they went out for a little sail - run of 50 miles. They also wanted
to record the presence of fog. That's my interpretation.
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Like some of our transcribers, they simply don't like dittos.
Record a reading only when something changed or is important to ship
function, like fog. :)
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We all love dittos :o ;D
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We all love dittos :o ;D
;D
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I'll " that.
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Good one!
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"
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Copy cat. :o
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Good work, Kathy - Keep going !!! :-*
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mapurves was this day, January 4, 1925, transferred from this ship
for duty on U. S. S. Concord by order of Bureau of Navigation #12457 of
May 27th 1897. It seems Captain Pommystuart submitted the request 28
years ago, but the Bureau of Navigation has been rather backed up in
handling requests for transfers from the U. S. Coast Guard to the Navy. A
tardis has been dispatched in order to facilitate the transfer to the
ship on the appropriate date. Apparently mapurves is needed for the
Battle of Manila which is due to occur in the not too distant future
(for the Concord) or did occur in the far distant past (for the
Pioneer).
I foresee my return to the Pioneer once the Concord's career is finished. Bon voyage Helen, Kathy and Hannibal.
Michael
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We'll look forward to your return - and meanwhile will keep faithfully plodding on!
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Buy for now.
:'(
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And what are you purchasing? A proper bribe to bring him back later? :D
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And what are you purchasing? A proper bribe to bring him back later? :D
I can be bribed!!! No reasonable refused! :)
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mapurves
was this day, January 4, 1925, transferred from this ship for duty on
U. S. S. Concord by order of Bureau of Navigation #12457 of May 27th
1897. It seems Captain Pommystuart submitted the request 28 years ago,
but the Bureau of Navigation has been rather backed up in handling
requests for transfers from the U. S. Coast Guard to the Navy. A tardis
has been dispatched in order to facilitate the transfer to the ship on
the appropriate date. Apparently mapurves is needed for the Battle of
Manila which is due to occur in the not too distant future (for the
Concord) or did occur in the far distant past (for the Pioneer).
I foresee my return to the Pioneer once the Concord's career is finished. Bon voyage Helen, Kathy and Hannibal.
Michael
Orders recieved and acknowledged this date.
Return to Pioneer after completion of voyage on Concord requested.
Failure to follow said request will be punished with a *BLAM* to the head.
Captain
Hanibal94 (currently serving on Bear after finishing own voyage on
Pioneer, having used the TARDIS to jump back from Dec 1935 to April 1894
following a request from fellow Lieutenant Craig)
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;D
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jil
Welcome to the top 12 !
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Ahoy!
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Hey! What are you doing here? You should be working on the Bear!
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Occasional temporary transfer, Cap'n! Honest :)
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Jil is taking over from me for a while.
8)
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Dear Captain, please may I have more crew? There's a long way to go to get Pioneer finished!
Your loyal lieutenant,
Helen Julian
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Dear Captain, please may I have more crew? There's a long way to go to get Pioneer finished!
Your loyal lieutenant,
Helen Julian
Joan,
I feel your pain. I estimate we have 150,000 WRs left on the Concord
before that one is finished. If I haven't died of old age before Concord
is done, I'll transfer back to Pioneer. ;) Too many logs,
too few hands on deck.
Michael
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Michael - I will be praying for your long life, as it would be good to see you back on Pioneer ....
Helen J (not Joan, but don't worry!)
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Michael - I will be praying for your long life, as it would be good to see you back on Pioneer ....
Helen J (not Joan, but don't worry!)
Helen,
sorry. The brain read Joan but the signal was garbled on the way to the
fingers. (I think it was seeing Julian which confused my few remaining
grey cells.)
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Occasional temporary transfer, Cap'n! Honest :)
Alright
- since Stuart and Michael are both back on the Concord, I guess I can
forgive your transgression. Do as much as you want on the Pioneer.
Guess it's now up to Silvia, Craig and me to finish the Bear.
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I think that should be sufficient! ;D ;D ;D
Besides, she did say "Occasional temporary" ;)
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Day shift on Bear, night shift on Pioneer.
(Although when I say shift I mean the odd half hour - it takes a while to travel from 1890s to 1920s!)
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Welcome to Pioneer, jil - for whatever you can do. (I'm
moonlighting on Cardiff myself - just trying to get the edit finished).
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Kathy :-*
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That's it Kathy! Keep going!
We need you!
:-* :-* :-*
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jil passes the 500 mark!
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Pioneer has reached 52%
In the absence of our esteemed Captain - congratulations to all crew members, and keep up the good work. :D :D :D
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The esteemed captain does not celebrate every single percentage
point. But he is very pleased with what little progress there is.
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Halfway mark passed !
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Halfway mark passed !
Exactly. That's a milestone to be celebrated.
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jil passes the 750 mark!
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helenj (Helen J) passes the 15,000 mark!
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And only another 10 years to go! 8)
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T-M
Welcome back (again) !
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jil passes the 1000 mark!
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Pioneer has crept up to 54% complete - thanks to all who've helped get us there ....
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;D 8)
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wendolk (Kathy)
Welcome back (again) !
;)
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;D
Thankee very much -
I was temporarily detailed elsewhere - ::)
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Glad to have you back, Kathy. It's been kinda lonely lately .....
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Very happy to have you back!!!
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helenj (Helen J) passes the 20,000 mark!
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Great job, Helen! Your captain is very pleased.
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Thank you, Captain!
A sad event on Pioneer - a man lost overboard, on 11th October 1928:
Earl
Forsberg, sea, a.b. lost overboard. Foot slipped while washing
paintwork on outboard side of port motorsailer canopy. Launch had
handrope on canopy and there was a safety line passed behind the man and
his companion but when he slipped he was not holding on and slid from
under the safety line. He wore rubber boats and these evidently carried
him down quickly. His companion gave the alarm and the ship was
immediately stopped, a life ring having been dropped over first, and a
boat was lowered in less than seven minutes. The man was seen by the
boat crew just as they took the water but they started for him he sunk
and was never seen again. The ship cruised in circles around the buoy,
which was found, untill dark but no sign of the man was found. Signed
Roland D Horne Exec Off
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And Pioneer has made it to 57% .... :D
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Good to see that someone is checking up on the weather readings on Pioneer.
Q.M.s
attention called to the fact that he must tap barometers lightly as
there was an apparent error in his record for the watch due to sticking
of the indicating hand of the barometer. Signed K J Crosby.
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You are only a true professional once you learn which bits of equipment to hit to make them work ;)
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You are only a true professional once you learn which bits of equipment to hit to make them work ;)
And how hard? :D :D
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Oh yes, the lighter the better! It's always fun to impress people by
giving a bit of kit an odd look and the lightest of taps to make it
work.
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Well, sometimes you gotta put a little force into it. There was an
old TV at my school, occasionally used in class for watching movies, and
it frequently malfunctioned - the whole screen would turn blue.
The
first time this happened, I got up, walked over to the TV and whacked
it on the side - and that did the job! It came back on again.
On that day, the class gave me the job of giving the TV a few good whacks when it started acting up.
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I've come back to the Pioneer until the OW problem with sending me
to the wrong pages on the Concord is fixed. I am on board for March 08,
1911. It seems that the air temperatures are in degrees C! The max
temperature observed was 14C and the minimum was 10.5. (In Fahrenheit
that's 57/51). I looked up the historic temperatures for San Francisco
for that date, and there were two stations reporting max/min
temperatures for that day:
- Berkely - 57/47; and,
- Oakland - 61/48
Considering
that the daily max temperature is always as high or higher than the
highest hourly reading, and the daily min temperature is always as low
or lower than the lowest hourly reading, I think this is really neat.
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I've
come back to the Pioneer until the OW problem with sending me to the
wrong pages on the Concord is fixed. I am on board for March 08, 1911.
It seems that the air temperatures are in degrees C! The max temperature
observed was 14C and the minimum was 10.5. (In Fahrenheit that's
57/51). I looked up the historic temperatures for San Francisco for that
date, and there were two stations reporting max/min temperatures for
that day:
- Berkely - 57/47; and,
- Oakland - 61/48
Considering
that the daily max temperature is always as high or higher than the
highest hourly reading, and the daily min temperature is always as low
or lower than the lowest hourly reading, I think this is really neat.
Ooops. I'm on Patterson, not Pioneer. Bad aiming with cursor... :-[
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Sometime the position of the Pioneer takes as long to transcribe as
the weather data :( Good thing Firefox has auto completion.
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gastcra (Craig) passes the 500 mark!
gastcra (Craig) passes the 750 mark!
gastcra (Craig) passes the 1000 mark!
gastcra (Craig) passes the 1500 mark!
gastcra (Craig) passes the 2000 mark!
gastcra (Craig) passes the 2500 mark!
:-[
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jil passes the 1500 mark!
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I know you've been very busy, Randi. You didn't have to list all my milestones ;D
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Good work, Craig. It's great to have you on board.
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Sometime
the position of the Pioneer takes as long to transcribe as the weather
data :( Good thing Firefox has auto completion.
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But
they don't seem to know that the position part of the log at the bottom
of the page exists - I can't remember the last time I had a latitude or
longitude to enter. ..... :o
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I agree, Helen. A lat/long is worth (almost) a 1000 words.
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They would certainly be easier to interpret than many of the
locations - however I have improved my geography of Oregon lately
through hunting down where they are ....
Good to have you on
board - our percentage done should be moving up a bit faster than it has
been lately with only me working on her.
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I've done some work on her, I 'ave!
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I am glad to join you both! :)
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gastcra (Craig) passes the 3000 mark!
:o
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And we're 60% complete - yeah!
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And you got us up to July 4. No point working on a public holiday ;D
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I was wondering if he was writing "So" in the weather column but I think it must be "do", abbr. for ditto?
Should I put in dittos or will Philip figure it out?
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do would be correct TWYS, but I think it would also be OK to convert it to ".
I will notify Philip and see what he prefers.
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And you got us up to July 4. No point working on a public holiday ;D
That was my excuse for stopping there ;)
I do hope that 'do' is OK, I've put that on some WR. Didn't think to check ::)
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It's TWYS, so that should be fine - in fact it may well be preferable to changing it to a quotation mark ;D
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gastcra (Craig) passes the 4000 mark!
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The Pioneer spend some time at anchor off Seaside Oregon. I went
there for a summer vacation with my family in the 50s. I don't remember
why, but after one night in a motel we decided to go back home. I am
sure Seaside is a great place but all I have to remember it by is a
picture of my cousin standing in front of the motel beside our light
blue Chevy. ::)
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It's a regular port of call - you'll definitely be back, and have a chance to make up for that aborted holiday! :D
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I'll put on some suntan lotion in anticipation ;D
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You might wanna get some cool shades like I did 8)
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Beware when entering temps, LEAVE A SPACE between the Dry and Water entries.
(I have just corrected over 350 entries where I entered the temps next to each other. :-[ )
This
is the first ship I have done where they regularly enter the water temp
even in port. also looks like they do not have a wet bulb.
I
have been making the same mistake and just realized it. HOWEVER, I
wonder if what appears to be water temperature is really wet bulb? I
have three reasons to think this:
- I have done about 5000 WRs and the "water" temperature is almost always lower than the dry temp
- Sometimes
there is a notation in the margin indicating the water temp. even when
there are 24 WRs with "water" recorded. Why would they bother?
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As Stuart points out "water" temperature is recorded even while in
port. This is very unusual, but one would expect wet bulb in port
I really do think the "water" is the wet bulb but I will record it in water from now on unless told otherwise.
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Thanks for the note.
Yes: record it in water from now on unless told otherwise.
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When you reach January 1929 you'll find that the water temperature
disappears - so you need to leave two spaces between the air temp and
the weather code - just to keep us all on our toes!
But when you
reach 24th January a very odd thing happens - the water temperature
restarts half way through the day - and the temps don't make any
sense. At 12 noon the air temperature is 63 and there's no water
temperature; at 4pm the air temperature is 15 and the water temperature
14 .... !!! :o Might be worth notifying the
scientists. Meanwhile I'll carry on TWIS.
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Thanks for the warning, Helen. It usually takes me a few pages to
get used to changes like that. My fingers don't like change. ;D
Just
to support my observation that the Pioneer water temperature is really
wet bulb, I have looked at pages from two ships in the month of
September. The Jamestown 1879 is off of Mare Is. California and the
Pioneer is off of Astoria, Oregon. The Pioneer shows the "water"
temp always equal to or slightly below the air temp throughout the day
and night but the Jamestown shows the water temperature exceeding the
air temperature at night. I have transcribed over a year's worth of
Pioneer logs and I have not seen the "water" temperature exceed the air temperature more than one would expect if the "water" temp is really the wet bulb temp. When it does happen it appears to be random.
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Beware when entering temps, LEAVE A SPACE between the Dry and Water entries.
(I have just corrected over 350 entries where I entered the temps next to each other. :-[ )
This
is the first ship I have done where they regularly enter the water temp
even in port. also looks like they do not have a wet bulb.
I
have been making the same mistake and just realized it. HOWEVER, I
wonder if what appears to be water temperature is really wet bulb? I
have three reasons to think this:
- I have done about 5000 WRs and the "water" temperature is almost always lower than the dry temp
- Sometimes
there is a notation in the margin indicating the water temp. even when
there are 24 WRs with "water" recorded. Why would they bother?
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As Stuart points out "water" temperature is recorded even while in
port. This is very unusual, but one would expect wet bulb in port
I really do think the "water" is the wet bulb but I will record it in water from now on unless told otherwise.
Aaargh! Me too - who reads the column headings anyway ::)
Examples of pages where they have written the water temp to the right of the table that I had recently.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2019%20-%20October-December,%201926/IMG_9587_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2019%20-%20October-December,%201926/IMG_9580_0.jpg
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Ah yes - the water/wet bulb problem. I ran into that too.
Think
I may have made a few mistakes, but can't remember where or when - I
did, however, always follow TWYS, no matter what the numbers said.
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Your Oct. 20 example supports my contention, Jil, but the Oct. 27 example doesn't.
For
Oct 20 the "water" temp at 6 AM is recorded as 54 degrees but at the
right it says 60 degrees, which is beyond the range in the "water" temp.
column.
For Oct 27 the 4 AM "water" temp is 59 degrees, which
exceeds the air temp. of 53. The water temp on the right is 55.2, which
is within the range of temps. given in the "water" column.
We'll have to get a few more examples where they give the time of the water temp. reading.
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That sort of thing is why Pioneer is a 3-star ship ::)
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3341.msg53914#msg53914
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Hmm, I guess we should leave it to experienced transcribers, then. :D
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Experienced transcribers check column headings when they start a new log ;) ;D
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I suspect that in January 1929 they may have changed from F to C, as
the temps are now mainly single figures or in the teens - at least it's
consistent so the scientists should notice OK.
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Experienced transcribers check column headings when they start a new log ;) ;D
I guess that excludes me, then. ;D
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I
suspect that in January 1929 they may have changed from F to C, as the
temps are now mainly single figures or in the teens - at least it's
consistent so the scientists should notice OK.
Patterson was recording air temperatures in Celsius way back in 1911!
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Looking through some Pioneer logs, it seems the ship popped over to
San Francisco around December 1926. Having been sat in SF Bay for the
winter of 1900/01 on the Albatross, I'd like to say I'm pretty
knowledgable with the temperatures typical of the area!
This
Pioneer Page
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2019%20-%20October-December,%201926/IMG_9650_0.jpg)
shows the "Water Temperature" dipping into the mid-30s - I can't recall
ever having seen the water temperature in SF below 45. This Albatross
page
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol038of055/vol038of055_044_0.jpg)
shows a very similar day, and temperature pattern recorded on the
Pioneer matches up almost perfectly with the Albatross' Wet Bulb
temperatures.
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Thanks, Danny. That's an interesting comparison.
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Definitely very suggestive!
But until Philip says otherwise, please continue to TWYS ;)
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Or type what we should have seen? ;D
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Experienced transcribers check column headings when they start a new log ;) ;D
Yes, then when they have a few months off forget to check again. :-[
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;D
I had that with Jamestown (1844) (column headings are generally A and W only occasionally is water spelled out) :-[
I apologize if I have offended some with my comments on reading the column headings and belaboring TWYS :'(
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Transcribing this morning muttering (hopefully not quite aloud!) 'water temp, water temp, its water temp'.
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My mind is willing but my fingers are weak ;D
No
problem, Randi. I understand that you were just trying to keep the
record straight for others. You knew that Jil and I were sufficiently
humiliated ;D
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Only experienced transcribers with nerves of steel should read the rest of the message ;)
I thought the subject had come up before here, but it was in Patterson.
There is a series of messages...
Interestingly,
in the examples they are using C for air/water and F for attached
thermometer. In one they are in Panama and the values are in the 20s for
the former and 80s for the latter (and a bit high as one might expect
inside the ship). Absent other evidence I would accept what they say
they're measuring is the fact. Further, I can imagine why, in the
foggier parts of Alaska, and with field parties going out frequently in
remote areas, they would be more interested in wet/dry temps. These can
be used to anticipate when fog will form - an easy operation using a
table in Bowditch / Am. Practical Navigator - and thus predict on the
cooling side of the day when field parties should be recalled before
getting socked-in.
The
question has come up in a Patterson 1912 log. Are they measuring
sea water or wet bulb for humidity? Randi and I are making
different guesses, and as neither of us is a climatologist or a sailor, I
though we'd better ask.
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg64669#msg64669
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That's interesting, Randi. We are not the only ones to wonder about this question.
One
another subject, the Pioneer received supplies from Newell Hardware in
Oakland in 1927. My dad worked for them about that time. If it's
the same one it was later called Marshall Newell Supply Co. He had been
in the merchant marines before he settled down and became a land lubber.
Here's
something interesting for me - my dad worked for Newell Hdw. in San
Francisco between about 1925 and 1936. He might have been the one who
filled this order!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2020%20-%20January-March,%201927/IMG_9667_0.jpg
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I've stopped being surprised at the amazing connections which turn
up all over this project - but this one is especially wonderful.
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;D
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Now I am hoping for photocopies of invoices - they're no longer a nuisance ;D
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THAT WOULD BE SOOOOOO COOL! 8) if it were your dad...
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gastcra (Craig) passes the 5000 mark!
gastcra (Craig) passes the 6000 mark!
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jil passes the 2000 mark!
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On February 26th 1929 Pioneer starts recording temps in Fahrenheit again, after a while in Centigrade - no idea why.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2027%20-%20January-March,%201929/IMG_0411_0.jpg
Perhaps the scientists need to know?
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They know to check the Discussion topics ;)
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Thanks, Randi - I had a vague feeling that was the case.
Though it may be of use to the other transcribers coming up fast behind
me as well! ;D
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Yes, if we remember to check the discussion topics ;D
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;D
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August 11, 1927 Surface water temperature recorded in right margin: 10.2 C = 50.4 F
Water temperature in Water column is 54-55 F
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2021%20-%20July-September,%201927/IMG_9799_0.jpg
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11:00 AM surface water temp 15.4 C = 60 F
11 AM "Water" temp = 60 F
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2021%20-%20July-September,%201927/IMG_9803_0.jpg
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When I did the Pioneer, I always recorded the surface temperature as "Event:Other".
For example:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2021%20-%20July-September,%201927/IMG_9803_0.jpg
Surface water temperature = 15.4 C at 11 am
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I am doing this too, Hanibal. But I am now keeping a spreadsheet of
these temperatures for a while to see if how often they are different
from what is posted under the "water" temp. I will post it on the Forum
when I have enough observations.
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I was wondering if he was writing "So" in the weather column but I think it must be "do", abbr. for ditto?
Should I put in dittos or will Philip figure it out?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2018%20-%20July-September,%201926/IMG_9482_0.jpg
Philip says:
I'd rather have TWYS - 'do' please.
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jil passes the 2500 mark!
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gastcra (Craig) passes the 7000 mark!
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gastcra (Craig) passes the 8000 mark!
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65% complete - go team!
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wendolk (Kathy)
Welcome back (again) (again) !
:-*
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;D :-*
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It is so encouraging to have some company on Pioneer! It's
been rather lonely since hanibal finished his voyage .... :(
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Yes, it is fun to have some company, Helen (and Kathy and Jil).
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Yes, it is fun to have some company, Helen (and Kathy and Jil).
And
since it seems like this ship has the least amount of weather readings
needed (according to Hanibal's guestimations) I might as well jump on
too. It's either this or Perry (and I'm waiting for something to pass on
Patterson) and it's probably best to leave that easy-to-read log for
newbies.
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Great, Tastiger. Welcome aboard. 8)
We in the third stream
may have to coordinate our sessions so we don't bump into each other. I
usually transcribe between about 11 AM and 3 PM GMT.
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Great, Tastiger. Welcome aboard. 8)
We
in the third stream may have to coordinate our sessions so we don't
bump into each other. I usually transcribe between about 11 AM and 3 PM
GMT.
I'm
in college (university for British readers) so my commitment time may
be sporadic, so I may throw my hat in anytime between 7:30PM and 4AM GMT
(that's 2:30PM-11:00PM). (This is a big interval so I'm open to change
it as other people throw out their times. Plus if I notice I'm skipping
pages, I can use it as an incentive to switch to homework and come back
later. :) )
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And
since it seems like this ship has the least amount of weather readings
needed (according to Hanibal's guestimations) I might as well jump on
too.
Nice to see you're on board too!
Erm,
no. Actually, my guestimations are a bit misleading in this case
because the Pioneer has 24 WR/day EVERY SINGLE DAY from around March
22nd - December 31st, 1935.
But since these logs are the very last
ones, it's gonna take a long time for anyone to get to them, so it'll
take a while before my guestimations become more accurate.
I believe a more accurate value would be around 185.000 WR for all three streams, give or take a few thousand.
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And
since it seems like this ship has the least amount of weather readings
needed (according to Hanibal's guestimations) I might as well jump on
too.
Nice to see you're on board too!
Erm,
no. Actually, my guestimations are a bit misleading in this case
because the Pioneer has 24 WR/day EVERY SINGLE DAY from around March
22nd - December 31st, 1935.
But since these logs are the very last
ones, it's gonna take a long time for anyone to get to them, so it'll
take a while before my guestimations become more accurate.
I believe a more accurate value would be around 185.000 WR for all three streams, give or take a few thousand.
Meh, whatever, need a ship anyways. :)
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gastcra (Craig) passes the 9000 mark!
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gastcra (Craig) passes the 10000 mark!
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This guy has gone quote crazy. It's keyboard steeplechase trying to get them all in the right place!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2026%20-%20July-September,%201928/IMG_0292_0.jpg
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helenj (Helen J) passes the 25,000 mark!
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Way to go, Helen! 8)
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Thank you, Randi and Craig! Though I can feel Craig snapping at my heels .... ;D
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Alright Helen! :) :D
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If I am snapping at your heals, Helen, it is thanks to all the
others who have contributed to the 3rd stream. I have still only done
half the WRs you have done.
(I am beginning June 1928 now.)
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On February 26th 1929 Pioneer starts recording temps in Fahrenheit again, after a while in Centigrade - no idea why.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2027%20-%20January-March,%201929/IMG_0411_0.jpg
Perhaps the scientists need to know?
Lost centigrade thermometer while taking temperature
June 7 1928
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2028%20-%20April-June,%201928/IMG_0524_0.jpg
But I guess they had a spare or they converted from F because the following day the recorded in C again.
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jil passes the 3000 mark!
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gastcra (Craig) passes the 15000 mark!
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And 70% complete - woot!
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Never thought I'd see the day!
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gastcra (Craig) passes the 20000 mark!
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wendolk (Kathy) passes the 750 mark!
;D ;D ;D
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Every little bit helps ... don't give up Kathy ;D
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There are hares, and then there are tortoises... ;D
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... and then there are ship history enthusiasts ;D
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And there are speed freaks ;D
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Something amusing I noticed while updating the crew lists:
On
December 26th, 1930, a man with the last name of Alexander, a first name
starting with U and a middle name starting with S joined the ship:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2035%20-%20October-December,%201930/IMG_1244_0.jpg
In other words, this guy's full initials would be "U.S.A."!
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;D
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Is it possible that the officers and 2/3 crew observed half holiday
because it was Valentines Day? It was Feb. 14, 1931
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2036%20-%20January-March,%201931/IMG_1301_1.jpg
I wonder if they gave each other Valentines cards ;D
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Maybe they did - the only other possibility would be Statehood Day
for Arizona and Oregon, but the Pioneer's in Hawaii (not even a state
itself yet!), so I don't think that's it.
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Roses are red and violets are blue
My girlfriend's back home so you'll have to do.
Please be my valentine. ;D
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75% 8)
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75% 8)
HOORAY!
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YEAH!
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Wooo Hooo!
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Good Work!
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jil passes the 4000 mark!
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Way to go, Jil 8)
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jil passes the 5000 mark!
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gastcra (Craig) passes the 30,000 mark!
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80% complete - wow!!!!
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8)
It was only 57% two months ago.
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You've done an excellent job, Craig. I am quite pleased to have you on board.
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Thanks, Hanibal. Jil and Helen have been moving us along too.
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Here is a good indication that the position of the recorded WATER
Temperature in the log indicates the time of the measurement. Sometimes
the time is given explicitly but most often not.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2044%20-%20January-March,%201933/IMG_2112_0.jpg
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Great to have reached 80% - really feels like we're on the home straight now :D
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Not quite - unfortunately, the logs of around Mar 20th to December 31st 1935 have 24 WR/day ALL THE TIME.
So it'll take you some time to get through those.
But I made it, and so can you!
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And we're up to 81% already!
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jil passes the 6000 mark!
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wendolk (Kathy)
;D
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While updating the crew list, I ran into something that made me want to scream.
First,
I came across a page where 3 guys get discharged at expiration of
enlistment:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2047%20-%20October-December,%201933/IMG_0390_0.jpg
Knowing
these guys would most likely get reshipped the next day, I opened the
next page and found I was right - but another 3 guys got discharged for
the same reason on that day!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2047%20-%20October-December,%201933/IMG_0391_0.jpg
So
I checked the next page, and the EXACT SAME THING happened:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2047%20-%20October-December,%201933/IMG_0392_0.jpg
Fortunately,
it stopped on the next page.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2047%20-%20October-December,%201933/IMG_0393_0.jpg
Because
of this, I have decided not to do any more crew lists after the
Pioneer's. Hers I will still finish, but after that, no more.
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You might just ignore the ones who flip flop like that, Hanibal. But, being a perfectionist, I guess you can't, eh?
Perhaps I'll do you a favour and not include them? ;D
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I note names in the crew list topics, but I don't do anything as fancy as what you are doing.
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You might just ignore the ones who flip flop like that, Hanibal. But, being a perfectionist, I guess you can't, eh?
Perhaps I'll do you a favour and not include them? ;D
That would not be a favor, Craig, because there are a few cases where they don't come back.
These are very rare, but they still happen.
Besides,
there's only 2 years and less than 2 months left. I can handle it - I
just don't want to do any other ships after this one. It's not fun
anymore.
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helenj (Helen J) hits the 30,000 mark!
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Thank you Randi - I was pretty impressed when I found I had hit it
so precisely - I thought I needed to leave it there for a bit just to
see if anyone noticed .... ;D
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I'm glad I didn't miss it, Helen. Nice work! 8)
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Wow, nice one Helen! 8) 8)
I've had precise cases like that before, but I was always too impatient to wait for someone to notice ;D
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Well done, Helen!
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The crew get ice cream for Christmas :)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2047%20-%20October-December,%201933/IMG_0439_0.jpg
The
fact that the received it the very day makes me wonder what kind of
refrigeration facilities they had on ships in 1933. I remember that we
were still using an ice box in the early 50s.
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http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1697.msg20203#msg20203
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3532.msg59201#msg59201
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Great! Bunts is still around to answer our questions ;D
It's puzzling why the Pioneer received ice cream on Christmas day, then.
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Perhaps Pioneer didn't have a fridge :-\
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Probably. I can't imagine that it was because they ordered it on the spur of the moment.
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85% complete - yeah!
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jil passes the 7000 mark!
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eikwar passes the 1500 mark!
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gastcra (Craig) passes the 40,000 mark!
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Great work Craig! You're a star.
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Congrats, Craig!
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Thanks Jil and Hanibal.
Won't be long now before it's done thanks to all of us.
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Congratulations Craig!
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Thanks, Helen and Randi too.
I now have 9 months of 24WRs left which makes about 6500 WRs in all so I won't get to 50,000 (but who's counting ;D)
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jil passes the 8000 mark!
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8) 8) 8)
Way to go, Jil.
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Pioneer is 90% complete!
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Yessss! 8) 8) 8)
The last 10% will be up to you and Jil
(and any others that are working on her), Helen. I will have finished
December 1935 tomorrow and that's the end of the Pioneer logs.
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Congratulations on being nearly there, Craig. I'm sure Jil and I will make it - slow but steady that's us!
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Congratulations on being nearly there, Craig. I'm sure Jil and I will make it - slow but steady that's us!
:) We're up to July 1931 so steady as she goes for a while yet!
And woo-hoo to 90%
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Any chance I could persuade you two to quit ship history editing
entirely - after finishing whatever you're working on right now, of
course - until the Pioneer is finished?
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Any
chance I could persuade you two to quit ship history editing entirely -
after finishing whatever you're working on right now, of course - until
the Pioneer is finished?
Nope!
Pioneer isn't the most exciting ship, but I'm committed to getting her
finished. But to do that I need to have something else to work on
when I need a break. I think if I was just doing Pioneer, I would
need to transcribe on another ship as well, so it wouldn't be any
faster. What we really need is a few more transcribers to help us
over the finishing line.
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I was thinking that perhaps we could get Stuart back to help finish.
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Sorry Hanibal, I feel exactly the same as Helen.
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Very good, Kathy :-*
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I must record a momentous event - on October 12th 1931, Pioneer has
actually recorded a lat/long! I can't remember the last time this
happened. ;D
And nice to see Stuart back on board and in action - the more the merrier.
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Yes, it was quite a surprise when I saw that, Helen. This is a lot easier to record than their long place descriptions.
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Absolutely - and it has continued (two more days anyway ...)
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I didn't want to spoil your surprise by telling you. ;D
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jil passes the 9000 mark!
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The second DEC 7 should be Dec 27.
Note they are not repeats.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2039%20-%20October-December,%201931/IMG_1620_0.jpg
https://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2039%20-%20October-December,%201931/IMG_1641_0.jpg
Do you want me to put 27 in place of 7?
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No, please transcribe it as 7.
The science team should not have a problem figuring out that Dec. 27 followed Dec. 26 ;)
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OK
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Philip Brohan posted on this subject a while back (link from the
TWYS thread):
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=619.msg5363#msg5363
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Thanks Danny.
So much gets posted I cannot keep up with it.
I was concerned that if the data went off the date then ALL my data would be wrong for that day not just a single entry.
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I've been working away on Pioneer for a couple of days, and entered
data for the end of August, September and a chunk of October. I've noted
that no-one has been: drunk; spitting out port holes; fighting;
disobeying orders; using profane and offensive language; putting
clothing in lucky bags; smoking when the smoking light was not on;
eating before meal time; being slow to muster at quarters; being AWOL;
etc. etc. etc.
What's wrong with the Pioneer's crew? Where's their sense of fun? All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. ;)
Do you think my years on Concord has given me a distorted few of life on a ship? ::)
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Perhaps it is because Pioneer is Coast and Geodetic Survey and not Navy?
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People are AWOL quite a lot, actually. Look at the crew list - I entered them all myself.
We also had a few deserters in the early 20's, and a couple people who got discharged for bad behavior.
And I thought that was bad - your description of the Concord makes the Pioneer look like a church!
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Pioneer is pretty well behaved on the whole, though some do get
discharged for 'inaptitude' .... And hanibal's right - there's a
steady little trickle of people going AWOL. But there's rarely any
mention of why they're AWOL, so they could be covering up all sorts of
iniquity.
But yes, Concord does sound a fairly wild place!
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14 Nov 1932 and after almost three months, we discharge a drunk! On
the Concord he would have been confined in double irons for 24 hours.
Maybe the tougher penalty discourages crime after all! ;)
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jil passes the 10000 mark!
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MAPurves passes the 1500 mark!
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Bravo jil!! 8)
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Great work, Jil 8)
Good to see you pitching in, Michael.
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Thanks Hanibal & Craig!
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MAPurves passes the 1500 mark!
Pitching
in for a few days until Stuart's PC is fixed and he can send me his
crew lists, then I'll be back to the Concord. I have to admit, Hanibal's
totals make me feel like a complete amateur. :-[
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MAPurves passes the 1500 mark!
Pitching
in for a few days until Stuart's PC is fixed and he can send me his
crew lists, then I'll be back to the Concord. I have to admit, Hanibal's
totals make me feel like a complete amateur. :-[
Join the club! :D
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YES! This ship needs all the help she can get to reach the finish
line, because none of OW's Awesome Foursome (Silvia, Craig, me, leelaht)
are actively working on her.
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She's moving faster than I've ever known her, and I'm jumping a good
distance every time I come back, which is really encouraging.
We're going to make it!
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You have increased by 3 percentage points since I finished a couple
of weeks ago, so I think you are really moving along. 8)
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YES!
This ship needs all the help she can get to reach the finish line,
because none of OW's Awesome Foursome (Silvia, Craig, me, leelaht) are
actively working on her.
Glad to hear that Michael and I are NOT in
the Awesum Foursome, no pressure on us.
:P
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:)
And Team Third Stream make it to 1933 - woot!
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Great! You only got three years left now - December 31st 1935 is the last day.
Unfortunately, the logs from March 22nd - December 31st 1935 have 24 WR all the time.
But I have faith in you, Team Third Stream. I know you can do this!
If Craig and I each managed it on our own, how hard can it be for four of you working together?
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:)
And Team Third Stream make it to 1933 - woot!
We are awesome!
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Hopping aboard. All hands on deck to get Pioneer into port by Christmas!
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Now THAT is something I would very VERY much like to see!
Get it done, crew! Your captain commands it! ;D
And thanks for joining in, Zovacor!
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Welcome on board Zovacor! All hands to the pumps ....
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Well, I'm for a few days - administrative furlough - a child's
birthday needs celebrating (if you can call someone 32 years old a
child). When I return, I expect to be transferred by to the Concord.
After all, there's an insurgency to contend with...
Mind you, you Young Pioneers seem to be doing well, and the end is in sight, so I'm sure you can cope with my absence. ;)
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MAPurves passes the 2000 mark!
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Zovacor
Welcome to the top 12 !
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While updating my guestimations, I noticed the following for the Pioneer:
Old value: 161.955/176.038 WR transcribed
New value: 165.084/175.621 WR transcribed
So at this rate, it is indeed possible for us to finish the ship before 2015 - but only if you all keep up a strong rate, especially because Mapurves is leaving and Stuart will follow him soon!
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Aye, aye, Captain!
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wendolk (Kathy) passes the 1000 mark!
(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_2593.gif)
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I thought it would never happen! Excellent work Kathy.
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Good to see you back, Kathy - hope you can stick with us until the end!
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95% complete - Go Team!
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95% complete - Go Team!
It's the last push .... (and it's been a long time coming)
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PommyStuart passes the 6000 mark!
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I'm cheering you on from the sidelines. Keep up the good work everyone! 8) 8) 8)
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I was worried- I lay down that challenge and then have been absent
since (furnace broke, infant got sick, etc.). Looks like we CAN actually
get it done.
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Hope everything/everyone is OK now and that you are not too stressed out!
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Don't worry Zovacor - do what you can, and together we'll get
there. After ages when I always came back to the date where I'd
finished, I'm just enjoying jumping ahead days or weeks every time I
come back.
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Inspired by Zovacor I thought I ought to offer to 'Pioneer' for a bit folks. That OK with the Patterson-ites?
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We Pioneer-ites would be ecstatic ;D
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I approve in full, Joan!
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Cor - and I thought that the Patterson was house-proud:
Rec'd from Sell Right M'k't stores deck dept: 1cs Soap Powder; 12pk. Sani Flush; 24 ca - Sunbright Cleanser; 1cs Brilliantshine
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2047%20-%20October-December,%201933/IMG_0432_0.jpg
Sunglasses on then!
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Please could someone let me know what to do with the lat and long
noted in the margin on this page...don't know if its observed or dead
reckoning. Shall I just put it in events pls?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2047%20-%20October-December,%201933/IMG_0433_0.jpg
Thanks,
Joan
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It should definitely go on the Location tab. It is harder to decide
if it is Observed or DR. Philip has said just to guess and not to worry
about guessing wrong.
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They're the same as Observed lat&long in the bottom box, so i think they could be probably entered as observed.
For the Brilliantshine and Sunbrite cleanser, sunglasses are on 8) ;D :
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxNTQ3/z/RzYAAOSwdsFUOptO/$_57.JPG) (http://file.vintageadbrowser.com/bsch59c6amtrq7.jpg)
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:-[ Good point! ;D
Since they are duplicates maybe they don't even need to be entered :-\
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Yes, it is a duplicate so it doesn't need to be entered.
It
should definitely go on the Location tab. It is harder to decide if it
is Observed or DR. Philip has said just to guess and not to worry about
guessing wrong.
Personally, I use Observed if the date is 1940 or later, and DR for earlier than 1940.
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It
should definitely go on the Location tab. It is harder to decide if it
is Observed or DR. Philip has said just to guess and not to worry about
guessing wrong.
Grand.
Thanks. A day or so later they indicate that those obs are 'observed'.
So if that is wrong it's Pioneer's fault ( ;) :D )
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From Joan's post, I have learned that stream 3 is currently at December 1933.
After
this, there are still 24 months left - so if you guys wanna finish the
ship by 2015, you'll gonna have to do more than a month of logs every
day.
Plus, Mar 22nd - Dec 31st 1935 has 24 WR all the time, even when in port.
Gotta
admit, I have even considered getting a second Zooniverse account just
so I can finish this ship off myself... The only reason I haven't is
because of the danger of leapfrogging.
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From Joan's post, I have learned that stream 3 is currently at December 1933.
After
this, there are still 24 months left - so if you guys wanna finish the
ship by 2015, you'll gonna have to do more than a month of logs every
day.
Plus, Mar 22nd - Dec 31st 1935 has 24 WR all the time, even when in port.
Gotta admit, I have even considered getting a second Zooniverse account just so I can finish this ship off myself...
( :o :o :o ) What date were you aiming for for completion pls?
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I was hoping to have it done by January 1st, 2015.
So in other words, the absolute latest would be 11:59 pm, December 31st 2014.
But with Stuart and Michael gone, it's looking very unlikely.
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:( oh well - let's see where we get to. Perhaps
Valentine's Day would be more do-able? It's a relief from Mr Joachim's
ink-free scrawl at any rate. ;)
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Valentine's Day sounds like a good idea.
Too much pressure is not fun and can cause errors.
P.S. With everyone(?) in the third stream you may want to coordinate transcribing times :-\
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They're the same as Observed lat&long in the bottom box, so i think they could be probably entered as observed.
For the Brilliantshine and Sunbrite cleanser, sunglasses are on 8) ;D :
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxNTQ3/z/RzYAAOSwdsFUOptO/$_57.JPG) (http://file.vintageadbrowser.com/bsch59c6amtrq7.jpg)
Excellent! ;D
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Valentine's Day sounds like a good idea.
Too much pressure is not fun and can cause errors.
P.S. With everyone(?) in the third stream you may want to coordinate transcribing times :-\
Welcome,
Joan! I'm mainly transcribing early evenings at the moment -
while listening to PM on Radio 4 pretty regularly, and sometimes later
in the evening as well. Though from time to time other activities
get in the way ....
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P.S. With everyone(?) in the third stream you may want to coordinate transcribing times :-\
Yes I was thinking that would be a good idea, otherwise we could just duplicate effort and not actually go forward any faster.
I
generally transcribe between about 8am and 10am GMT (although I'm
afraid not the full 2 hours!), but that's just a habit I've got into so I
could be flexible.
(And I'm about to start ship history editing to PM!)
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And we've reached 1934, and 96% - real progress. Well done, crew!
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Hello ladies,
I've got to admit that I've never quite understood
about coordinating transcribing times. I'm pretty much all over the shop
at the moment - more reliably mid evening I guess 6-8 pm ish.
Yrs,
Confused of Kidlington ;)
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Really - coordinating data entry times?! This is becoming too much like my job. :o
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Sad :'( I bumped Asterix off the bottom of the top 12 chart. Wish Asterix was still active.
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I think the idea of co-ordinating transcription times is so that at
least while actually transcribing we don't end up jumping pages, but can
get a run of them. I can see that it could be a good idea,
especially on ships where we might be transcribing a lot of the events
pages, where missing part of the story, or getting the weather page but
not the events (or vice versa) might make it all more difficult.
But
on Pioneer, where on the whole nothing much happens except surveying and
I for one don't transcribe much off the events pages at all, I don't
think it matters much. Jumping may sometimes be a bit of a problem
with locations, as some logkeepers have much more legible writing than
others, and it can be helpful to get the next page so as to see where
they are (and go back if necessary). But I think most of us
probably know how to manipulate the page numbers to see the next page
anyway. :D
I'd rather we got the ship finished than be too tidy about exactly how!
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I quite agree Helen...if I need to fill in the story gaps I usually
do that as a past-time activity so as not to get too distracted from the
weather. But as you say, over and above the delights of noting that the
wardroom got a new table cloth just in time for Christmas (!?!) let's
hope it stayed ice-cream-free, there's little to report of
substance. ;D
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It's not jumping so much that's the issue but you end up
transcribing the same page. When you start transcribing (or request
another page) you get the next page that's not been completed.
If someone else is already transcribing that will be the page they are
currently working on. So we end up with a fourth transciption of the
pages rather than going forward faster.
Meanwhile back on the
ship someone had a bad day and deleted all the weather and re-writen
each line. Unfortunately ;) I have to go and do something else
now.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2048%20-%20January-March,%201934/IMG_0480_0.jpg
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Ohhhh! That I didn't realise that 'conflict' at all jil. Hummm..
that would be really annoying, wasting our efforts. Should I defer
doing Pioneer for a couple of days...or would it be sensible for us to
'log in' using this page so we know if we are likely to be bumping into
each other? :-\
I just got to that page of mistakes...well at least they knew what day of the week it was: ;D
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/909/wygfgj.jpg)
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I suggest the following: When you log into OW itself to transcribe
the Pioneer, log into the forum as well, go to this topic and leave it
open in a separate tab while transcribing.
That way, you will be visible in the "Who's Online" thingy at the bottom of the page.
So
if you see one of your comrades down there, and it shows them as
viewing this topic, that means they are currently working on the Pioneer
so it would be wise for you to do something else.
This ain't a
perfect plan because the "Who's Online" thing doesn't update itself
instantly, but it's the best I can come up with.
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I may be messing up Hanibal's plan here as I'm in this topic but not transcribing - so I'll be quick!
Joan,
that's very brave tackling that horrible page. I've come back from my
shopping and a fit of guilt at stopping there made me think about having
a go but if you've done it, I'll just say a big
Thank You
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It's done jil - and you are more than welcome. it was less painful
to do, than to get the clip-round-the-ear-hole that was probably
delivered to the one that wrote on the wrong page. ;D
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I
suggest the following: When you log into OW itself to transcribe the
Pioneer, log into the forum as well, go to this topic and leave it open
in a separate tab while transcribing.
That way, you will be visible in the "Who's Online" thingy at the bottom of the page.
So
if you see one of your comrades down there, and it shows them as
viewing this topic, that means they are currently working on the Pioneer
so it would be wise for you to do something else.
This ain't a
perfect plan because the "Who's Online" thing doesn't update itself
instantly, but it's the best I can come up with.
That's a good idea! Cheers Hanibal.
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I
suggest the following: When you log into OW itself to transcribe the
Pioneer, log into the forum as well, go to this topic and leave it open
in a separate tab while transcribing.
That way, you will be visible in the "Who's Online" thingy at the bottom of the page.
So
if you see one of your comrades down there, and it shows them as
viewing this topic, that means they are currently working on the Pioneer
so it would be wise for you to do something else.
This ain't a
perfect plan because the "Who's Online" thing doesn't update itself
instantly, but it's the best I can come up with.
That's a good idea! Cheers Hanibal.
Does
this still work if you've logged into the forum but are not working on
Pioneer? I always begin whatever I'm doing on OW by logging onto
the forum, as I know I'll need it before long, so I could be here and
visible but not working on Pioneer. Or have I misunderstood
something?
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I
suggest the following: When you log into OW itself to transcribe the
Pioneer, log into the forum as well, go to this topic and leave it open
in a separate tab while transcribing.
That way, you will be visible in the "Who's Online" thingy at the bottom of the page.
So
if you see one of your comrades down there, and it shows them as
viewing this topic, that means they are currently working on the Pioneer
so it would be wise for you to do something else.
This ain't a
perfect plan because the "Who's Online" thing doesn't update itself
instantly, but it's the best I can come up with.
That's a good idea! Cheers Hanibal.
Does
this still work if you've logged into the forum but are not working on
Pioneer? I always begin whatever I'm doing on OW by logging onto
the forum, as I know I'll need it before long, so I could be here and
visible but not working on Pioneer. Or have I misunderstood
something?
Okay, so my idea is that if you're working on the Pioneer, you go to this topic (Pioneer -- Discussion: Questions and Comments). If you're not working on the Pioneer, go to a different part of the forum.
And
if you're not working on the Pioneer but want to post something here or
read other people's posts, do it as quickly as possible and leave the
topic at once when you're done.
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Smart idea - thanks!
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Still don't get this - if I'm in a particular topic I don't have a
list of who else is there on the screen. I only get that if I'm on
the main index page of the forum. Is there something I need to
enable to make this visible?
In the meantime, I'm keeping an eye on
the numbers of Pioneer's home page and hoping this will show me if
anyone else is transcribing ...
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I don't get it either! And I'm usually loitering somewhere in the
Forum while Ship's History Editing as well as when transcribing.
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Oh, I'm glad it's not just me being dense! Perhaps it would be
easier simply to 'log in' here in this thread - and say we're now
transcribing. Although that won't help with any of the other
people who might turn up to do a few pages. So - I've just
finished my hour for today and am now off to shore for the evening!
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The idea of my plan is to let you see whether other people are already doing the Pioneer when you log into OW.
But
if you're working on her yourself, there's no need to keep track of who
else is online, and no need to constantly look at the discussion - just
keep it open in a separate browser tab, so other people can see you are
already working on her.
You only need to keep track if you're not working on the Pioneer, but someone else is.
In
case you didn't know: Clicking on the words underlined in red in the
attachment will let you see who else is online and what they are doing.
If you are transcribing the Pioneer, go to this topic and stay here until you're done transcribing.
If you are doing something else, go to a different part of the forum.
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I think those who don't want to set time schedules for themselves
need to say, "I'm glad they enjoy this" and go on doing whatever they
want, letting this conversation drop. Those who enjoy this
scheduling should carry on setting their own personal schedule until
they are satisfied while telling everyone else they understand the
difference and will work around it. This can be a nice example of
agreeing to disagree. Too much looseness can be just as annoying
to some as too much organization can be to others.
Remember two things:
Those transcribers who don't read the forum are going to mess up schedules anyway.
And those transcribers who don't read the forum are going
to give comfort in numbers to those who don't want to schedule.
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Aha, that was the missing piece of the jigsaw! No, I didn't
know that - I thought it just told you who was logged into the forum,
not what they were doing as well. I can see how this works now -
thanks hanibal.
Though I quite agree with Janet that we need not
to get tangled up in this too much - as she says, it only works for
those who know about the system in the first place .... I'm not
going to be too exercised about it. If we do the odd page 4 times
instead of 3 it's not the end of the world.
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AvastMH
Welcome to the top 12 !
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Awww -geee -thanks! :)
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I've heard it all now:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2048%20-%20January-March,%201934/IMG_0500_0.jpg
'Ship turned over officially to Winslow Marine Railway Shipbuilding Co. to start repairs.'
'Marine Railway Shipbuilding'?
Yrs,
Confused of transport methods
(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_6657.gif)
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Thanks for that Hanibal, you do learn something new every day on OW.
Hope I won't get distracted checking what everone else is up to. :)
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A new bit of a ship for me:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2048%20-%20January-March,%201934/IMG_0501_1.jpg
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/fidley
fidley [′fid?lē]
(naval architecture)
Also spelled fiddley.
A wide opening above a fire room through which pass ventilators.
A framework of iron about the ladder of a hatch in a ship's deck leading below the deck.
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For what it's worth:
"The
patent slip or Marine Railway was invented[1] by Scot Thomas Morton[2]
in 1818 as a cheaper alternative to a dry dock for ship repair. It
consisted of an inclined plane, which extended well into the water, and a
wooden cradle onto which a ship was floated. The ship was then attached
to the cradle and hauled out of the water up the slip."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_slip
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winslow_Marine_Railway_and_Shipbuilding_Company ;D
Whatever question is asked here, there is always at least one person crazy enough to dig for answers ::) ;D
http://www.shipbuildinghistory.com/history/shipyards/5small/inactive/winslow.htm
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Aaaaah! Now it makes sense. :D
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Rcd from Lake Union Shipbuilding Corp. 1 table for cabin
Hmmm...they got the tablecloth about a month ago ::) There's no accounting... :D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2049%20-%20April-June,%201934/IMG_0577_0.jpg
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;D
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Hey, you're at the end of April 1934 already (probably May by now)!
This progress pleases me - keep it up!
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Just stopped - upto 25th May
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30th May 1934 From Johnson Meat Mks. 2 Turkeys for Fwd mess.
Um...as we are caught between Thanksgiving and Christmas I think to ask 'Is there no safe time for turkeys?' ::) ;)
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/537/OEE33R.png)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2049%20-%20April-June,%201934/IMG_0609_0.jpg
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Nope - I'm sorry, guy, but turkey stays on the menu all autumn and
early winter. Then cured ham seems to take over. ;)
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Reached the end of June 1934 - and 97%. Off to do Christmas cards now ....
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Great work Helen. I'll do a bit more now.
finished 13 July - need a break now for dinner..prob back tomorrow - but xmas cards call etc etc :)
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Excellent work, all of you - keep going! I like it!
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Done up to and inc. 17 Aug.
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Now up to 10th September inclusive. Tomorrow tis the season to
be singing carols at a candlelit carol service, so I probably won't
manage much - just a few days I hope.
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Zovacor passes the 500 mark!
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AvastMH passes the 750 mark!
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Now
up to 10th September inclusive. Tomorrow tis the season to be
singing carols at a candlelit carol service, so I probably won't manage
much - just a few days I hope.
Lovely - the candle-lit services are so wonderful. They bring such a sense of community. Enjoy!
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Finished a log book- now 98% and early October.
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OW as a whole is 49% complete. What are the odds (Hanibal, I'm
looking to you as the number cruncher) that we can be 50% by the new
year?
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The odds are actually pretty good, I think.
According to my calculations, OW as a whole is around 3.600.000 WR, both active and complete ships.
And from my weekly updates, I know that about 25.000 WR are done every week.
Since there are two full weeks and one half week left in 2014, that should be enough to make it.
But the holidays are coming up, and I know for sure that this will mean less transcribing than usual.
So it's hard to say.
Hmmm... I see you have picked up the pace on the Pioneer, and already finished another log book. This is good - gimme another!
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Into the final month of the next log book - up to December 4th. The final year is not far off!
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We've reached the final year - that's a year of logs done in less
than a week! We may make it to the end before the end of 2014
after all ....
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Happy New Year!
I didn't manage to do any today and at some
time tomorrow my broadband is being upgraded so if I disappear for a
while you'll know it didn't go well!
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January 1935 done!
Hope your upgrade goes well, jil, and that you'll be back transcribing faster than ever .... :D
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Half of February ticked off... :)
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99% complete!
(http://ericpetersautos.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/so-close-pic.png)
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Just done March 1935
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Thank You for coming back, Stuart!
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Wow - storming along!
And done a few days into April.
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Zovacor passes the 1000 mark!
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We can make it! A few more days done in April - perhaps more
later this evening .... I've slowed down because after all these
years they've suddenly started recording attached temperature, and I'm
having to retrain my fingers.
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with you on that one Helen ::) ;D
I told my fingers it was another ship so they would be more helpful ;) :D
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wow, I am going to have to lay off the Christmas drinks.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2053%20-%20April-June,%201934/IMG_0960_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2053%20-%20April-June,%201934/IMG_0960_0.jpg)
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;D ;D ;D (hic! - me too mate!)
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I'll mention that to Gina. Maybe she can rescan it.
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wow, I am going to have to lay off the Christmas drinks.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2053%20-%20April-June,%201934/IMG_0960_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2053%20-%20April-June,%201934/IMG_0960_0.jpg)
Yeah, that was a bad one, Stuart. Fortunately, it's the only one so you can keep drinking. ;D
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I'll mention that to Gina. Maybe she can rescan it.
It's fine.
I think I am the last scribe so it is not necessary.
Thanks for the thought.
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No need to rescan - Craig and I already did it, and Stuart would be number 3, I assume he did it by now.
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I already asked ::)
Anyway, I believe that these are also for some archive, and they will want good scans.
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Truth about the archive - we are getting the watered down jpeg
version of the scans, NARA is keeping the archive-quality original that
takes time to send its megabytes over cyberspace. :)
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Oh dear - now they are using a colon in the baro height reading, but
sometimes even that is just a space. >:( :( ;)
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Do your best to transcribe the readings as they are written, but don't worry too much :-*
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I'm good with it Randi - but my confused fingers may be forming a
union and taking strike action soon unless the (Pioneer) management gets
its act together. ;D
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Tell your fingers worry too much ;D
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You could threaten the log keeper with a colonoscopy, Joan. :D :P
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Just reached May .... ;D
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You could threaten the log keeper with a colonoscopy, Joan. :D :P
;D I was trying to think of a joke along those lines Craig...well done! ;D
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It took soooo long for them to get my broadband upgrade to work, I thought you might have finished ;)
And at the moment it only seems a bit faster :'(.
They
also failed to install superfast typing for my fingers! Well I can type
type really quickly but the output tends to be rather random :)
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They
also failed to install superfast typing for my fingers! Well I can type
type really quickly but the output tends to be rather random :)
Same here :(
I would be happy with "fast typing for my fingers" ;D
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It took soooo long for them to get my broadband upgrade to work, I thought you might have finished ;)
We
didn't want to cross the finishing line without you, jil! (24 WR
every day might have something to do with it too .... ;D)
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Here is the link for the blurred page: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BxR91qvZgEQ8N1hsd3RMbHhBMkU&usp=sharing
Gina
said that she would keep the logbook handy for awhile just in case they
are any other problems. It was one of the first logs scanned.
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That page was the only one that was blurred in that log book, Randi.
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Thanks, Craig.
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Just did a trio of pages. Next page to go is June 1st. 8)
Just off to zed-land...zzzzzzz ;) :D
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I am off for vacation until the 30th to a place with no modern telecommunications. Good luck everyone and Merry Christmas.
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Zovacor passes the 1500 mark!
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Merry Christmas Zovacor - enjoy being in the electronic wilderness (a rare place these days)!
Best wishes, Joan :D
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Pioneer guestimations update, Dec 20th 2014:
Old value: 170.221/177.314
New value: 175.697/177.472
WR done in last seven days: 5476
Assuming that stream 3 is at June 1st 1935, this means there are actually (30+31+31+30+31+30+31)*24 = 5136 WR remaining.
So it is still possible to complete the Pioneer by 2015, but it will be very very close, especially without Zovacor.
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Tough one - but perhaps, just perhaps we'll do it :-\ ;)
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Well, the third stream is at 16th June (I'm just about to begin) so that's another half month done already ....
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Hi Helen, I just finished the 16th..as you're online and I have some sewing to do I'll log off for a bit. :)
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Hi, Joan - I'd just begun to wonder .... I'll be finishing about 6pm if that's OK?
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Why all the pressure to finish before the new year? Have the
PTB said anything about the rate of progress? Frankly, I've about
reached the point with all of this chatter about who has done how many
transcriptions; how many more are left; if transcribers do xxx then yyy;
etc., etc, that I'm just not going to read the Forum anymore. No
topic is safe from this - if the PTB are not happy with transcription
rates, then I wish they would just tell all of us -
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Woah, calm down girl!
I never meant to push anybody - I was just hoping to see the Pioneer complete before the new year, and I know Helen J is too.
Yes,
I do keep track of a lot of stuff here
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3551.0), but it's meant to
be purely for information purposes - how much WR does this ship have in
total, is this one being actively worked on, which ships have less than
24 WR/day etc. Nobody is being put under pressure!
And your "no topic
is safe from this" claim isn't true - it's only common in the Dockyard,
and here (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3898.0) and
here (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3551.0)as well.
The rest of the forum is pretty much fine.
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Kathy,
Since the bean counters are all focused on the Pioneer,
maybe just skip that topic. I don't think they talk the same way
at all in Chat topics or in handwriting help. Just skip the ship
they are currently counting and read the rest. Lots of the rest of
just skip those posts anyway. The rest of the forum is still out
there.
Janet
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Hi Kathy, sorry you're feeling fed up with this thread.
Personally I'm keen to see Pioneer finished, just because it's been such
a long haul. And as it's all 24 WR a day at the moment, it's
worth trying not to duplicate work, and so checking in with each
other. But I don't want anyone to feel pressured by it all; please
don't feel you need to disappear from the Forum. :(
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Hi
Kathy, sorry you're feeling fed up with this thread. Personally
I'm keen to see Pioneer finished, just because it's been such a long
haul. And as it's all 24 WR a day at the moment, it's worth trying
not to duplicate work, and so checking in with each other. But I
don't want anyone to feel pressured by it all; please don't feel you
need to disappear from the Forum. :(
Kathy
I second Helen's wise words - I'm so sorry if it's been 'overload' on
the thread. If I had thought we were causing a problem I would have not
made comments here. Whatever you do, don't go :'(
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Reached the end of June 1935 and knocking off for the day.
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Plus,
most of the discussion is between high-power transcribers who are
actually interested in making progress and getting ships done, like
myself, Stuart and Craig.
I think we are all
interested in making progress and getting ships done, but some of us
prefer to enjoy the events along the way rather than to make a race of
it ;)
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Another oddy - 'Naval Ammunition Depot. 500 lbs. TNT.' Any ideas why a survey ship might want that please :-\?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2054%20-%20July-September,%201934/IMG_1045_0.jpg
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Well - they seem just to plod around the California area - perhaps they are heading North in mid summer.
What
really worries me is that they cleared all the crew off the ship to
fumigate it throughout the same day. Yukkkky. Makes me itch.
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I do love googling. :)
http://www.thsoa.org/pdf/cgs_afe_09.pdf from the archives of The Hydrographic Society of America.
FIELD ENGINEERS BULLETIN, U. S. COAST & GEODETIC SURVEY, DECEMBER 1935
This
has an article on page 66 of the pdf named "SOUNDING TO GRANITE, N. H.
Heck, H. & G. Engineer, Chief, Division of Terrestrial Magnetism and
Seismology, U. S. Coast and Geodetic Survey" where they talk
directly of the "The firing of the bomb has to be taken care of so that ..."
Did someone think survey work was boring? ;D
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Janet you are amazing! What a find. Seismic studies eh? Didn't
realize that they were doing those back in 1935. :o :D 8) It makes
sense of that volume of TNT though. Great!
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And here there are using the TNT! -
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2054%20-%20July-September,%201934/IMG_1052_1.jpg
2:00 Hydrophone lowered into position.
3:35 Firing bombs to test R.A.R. stations and gear
4:15 Finished firing bombs.
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;D
R A R = radio acoustic ranging
http://www.history.noaa.gov/stories_tales/ak3.html
(it also mentions a "pinnacle rock" ;))
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Thanks Randi! My quick search for RAR didn't turn up anything useful, then I got distracted. ::)
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RAR has been in Abbreviations (non-weather)
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=639.0) for some time.
NOAA has an interesting graphic for the normal procedure.
RAR -
Radio Acoustic Ranging. Developed in 1923, RAR was the first non-visual
navigation system. It combined velocity of sound in water with radio to
obtain fix. (NOAA Photo Library
(http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/history/electronic/media/23_rar.html))
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:-[ 8)
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Pioneer is now showing 100% - but sadly this doesn't mean we've quite finished her yet. :'(
However we have reached August, so less than five months to go. :D
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Ah yes - the rounding bug. So annoying.
But you're at September August already! Sweet!
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Actually, it's August - I got carried away. For some reason I always tend to think the eighth month is September ....
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We have now made it to mid September - steady progress being made.
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Oh, do pay attention! Someone doesn't seem to know which ship he's on ...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2054%20-%20July-September,%201934/IMG_1129_0.jpg
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Well, Discoverer was her sister ship ::)
To go back to an earlier subject:
In
1934 personnel aboard Pioneer developed a deep sea hydrophone in
connection with the Survey's work developing radio acoustic ranging, a
system in which a small TNT bomb timed to explode at about 100 ft (30 m)
feet,[Note 1] the explosion's sound wave is registered by a hydrophone
aboard and hydrophones at two or more known shore locations that then
send a radio signal of arrival time back to the vessel for range
calculation, to better establish positions beyond shore signal
visibility. Pioneer personnel successfully used the hydrophone to a
depth of 5,100 ft (1,600 m) off the coast of southern California in the
work establishing the velocity and path of sound in the sea.[3]
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Oh, do pay attention! Someone doesn't seem to know which ship he's on ...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2054%20-%20July-September,%201934/IMG_1129_0.jpg
;D
I'm used to wrong dates, but that is ridiculous!
P.S. There were some crew transfers between Discoverer and Pioneer, perhaps that explains it.
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That would make sense.
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Sept log book finished.
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Sept log book finished.
Excellent!
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October log book finished :D
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%2055%20-%20October-December,%201934/IMG_1189_0.jpg
Someone's confused about dates. :P
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Thanks for helping out, tastiger! :)
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November done. Only December left.
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I am now doing and will finish (tonight) Dec as I started (from 3 pages into) log book #1, 2 yrs ago.
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2 years :o
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I did absconded for some time. :-[
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Dec 31 1935 seems to be followed by 1 June 1891.
Funny calendars in those days.
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But on Jamestown, not Pioneer (if you've just got the same page as I
have ....) Though it's strange that the Pioneer front page still
says 100% complete, but also offers 'Transcribe logs' rather than saying
'View all logs". But when I clicked on Transcribe I'm being sent
to other ships, not Pioneer, so I guess she's finished at last!
It's been a long voyage - I also began back in 1923 (3rd August to be
exact) - but have also had some time off.
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so it is, just checked to page URL.
Seems Pioneer may be finished.
I hope so, doing a month of nearly all 24wrpp in just over 4hrs is something I don't want to do again. ???
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Congratulations, Team! 8) 8) 8)
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Brilliant last push - special thanks to Stuart for taking us over
the line! Hope you can relax and treat yourself to something
indulgent to celebrate (and the rest of us as well ....)
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Great job everyone!
I asked the PTB to change her status to VAL.
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tastiger
Welcome to the top 12 !
;D
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Congrats, Pioneer Crew!!!
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Thank you, it has been a marathon - more than 12 years of logs. I'm looking for a rather shorter voyage next ....
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Well done to everyone!
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Congrats to all of you hard working Pioneers! That is a lot of travel and weather reports now available for analysis!
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Congratulations, everyone!
I am very pleased, and very proud of all of you - and you made it before 2015 after all! Nice!
But
yes, it was a long voyage. I started at August 1922 and did her all the
way to the end - almost one whole stream done all by myself.
Would anyone care to join me on the Patterson? It's a little lonely there, and she has the same unusual log format.
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Congratulations, everyone!
I am very pleased, and very proud of all of you - and you made it before 2015 after all! Nice!
But
yes, it was a long voyage. I started at August 1922 and did her all the
way to the end - almost one whole stream done all by myself.
Would anyone care to join me on the Patterson? It's a little lonely there, and she has the same unusual log format.
Might after Perry, I want to help finish her off next. :P
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I might be tempted on to Patterson - familiar waters, and a familiar format are quite alluring ....
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Lieutenant Scrawl (who magically appears throughout all our logs like some seaborne time-traveller) awaits you!
I
quite like Patterson and will be happy to clamber back on board - even
after the excitement of the bolts of cloth and tons of TNT of the
Pioneer. :D
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Lieutenant Scrawl is always with us .... I even suspect there may be more than one of them. :D
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Lieutenant Scrawl (who magically appears throughout all our logs like some seaborne time-traveller) awaits you!
I
quite like Patterson and will be happy to clamber back on board - even
after the excitement of the bolts of cloth and tons of TNT of the
Pioneer. :D
Much
as I enjoyed my brief time on both Patterson and Pioneer, and
researching the uses of bolts of cloth is tempting, I rather enjoy
shooting at native canoes and burning boats too much to abandon the
Concord. Not only that, but there's more drinking and a freer use of
profane and disrespectful language. ;)
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Ah, the vicarious pleasures of OW ;D (I wonder how abstemious were vicars).
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Congrats all. Back from vacation and happy to see her make it back
to port! I think I'm going back to Jamestown 1844, but man its so much
nicer working with some sort of format (describing the weather only as
"pleasant" or "fine" for months on end seems less than helpful).
Question
to Kookabura- do you wait until everything is done before digging in to
do the climate science? Whats your next step now that a voyage is
complete?
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Ah, the vicarious pleasures of OW ;D (I wonder how abstemious were vicars).
Well,
this 'vicar' has definitely been less abstemious than usual, over the
festive season. More chocolate, more cake, more alcohol - and
definitely more sitting by the fire doing nothing much in particular.
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Good for you Helen - the still dark and trying days of winter are ahead - re-charge your batteries now! ;) :)
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Question
to Kookabura- do you wait until everything is done before digging in to
do the climate science? Whats your next step now that a voyage is
complete?
Oh,
I was not talking from personal knowledge! :D But I think
the logs still have to go through the editing process. Now I am
curious whether the editors start their arduous work before all the
transcribing is completed? It would be interesting if one of the
editors could tell us what they do with the raw transcriptions!
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The scientists get the data as soon as the ship is finished.
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Before the ship is complete, there will be transcribers going in and
editing pages, besides the incompleteness. Once the ship goes VAL
(View All Logs - no more transcription available) all the climate data
gets grabbed by the climatologists, analyzed and put in the global data
bases. Technically you can still edit transcriptions, but those
will likely never get picked up.
Eventually, Philip will send
Naval-History.Net the complete comments transcripts (Minus weather
readings) and we will put that online to read and hope we can find an
editor.
Then finally we make it some maps and put the finished piece online. :)
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Thanks for explaining, Janet - I have wondered about that myself, from time to time.