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Title: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 21 October 2012, 17:18:53
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Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 28 October 2012, 12:15:18
The early scans for patterson are not very helpful I'm sorry to report. Clearly a case of a large and tightly bound book, but is there anyway that the machinery can be adjusted to be helpful...I've just encountered this:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4771_0.jpg
and it's no fun at all.
Thanks to the powers that be and the scanner folk, in anticipation.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 28 October 2012, 12:23:57
Joan, the early logs for this launch are both part of the learning curve, and done on old machines that are no longer being used, so its a case of working through the start.   I think Patterson is the worst one so far to surface. 

Patterson is also already reported in "Listing of Faulty Scanned Pages" on the Technical Support board.  The weekend is the wrong time to ask for resolution of the problem.  We'll work it through somehow next week, because I myself don't know if it's borderline in archive quality or just plain not.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 03 November 2012, 14:42:21
Joan, I got started transcribing last night, and between all the 'OK' buttons working now and getting used following those curved-crooked lines, I started having fun last night.  (http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/10001/type-smiley.gif)

Do you have another ship I can play in while you steal the captaincy back? ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 03 November 2012, 15:22:38
There is only one volume of this type for PATTERSON. After this it switches to something that looks like the other Coast Survey logs that are more loosely bound. The main issue is the lack of a Zeutschell (a sort of hi-tech book press) at our A2 location at the time this was shot. Let me know if it becomes impossible to work with.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 03 November 2012, 16:01:35
Joan, I got started transcribing last night, and between all the 'OK' buttons working now and getting used following those curved-crooked lines, I started having fun last night.  (http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/10001/type-smiley.gif)

Do you have another ship I can play in while you steal the captaincy back? ;)

Glad you enjoyed the Patterson Janet, but those curvy pages are a real teaser aren't they  ::)? You certainly steamed through a stack of pages! Impressive! I did wonder whether we ought to get, if possible, an early report from Philip and co. as to how accurate we are working. What do you think? I've nearly crossed over a couple of lines as I worked. So now I'm purposely slower with this one. It'll be easier towards the middle of the book.
I noticed that the Yorktown and Yukon are trailing, on pages done, compared to the rest.  I'd  hate for that to put folks off - that's why I've not gone back to the Rodgers. But you're very welcome to the Patterson helm if you're enjoying it!  ;D 8)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 03 November 2012, 16:18:27
There is only one volume of this type for PATTERSON. After this it switches to something that looks like the other Coast Survey logs that are more loosely bound. The main issue is the lack of a Zeutschell (a sort of hi-tech book press) at our A2 location at the time this was shot. Let me know if it becomes impossible to work with.
Kevin, it can be done as is.  It is slow, and it may turn into a late bloomer.  If NARA will think they are inferior as archive quality goes, wanting a redo, it would be kind to do that first and then ask for transcriptions.  If they meet archive quality, then just have patience and know it will eventually be done.  Every transcriber slowly, the mind has to be rested, but it works because the handwriting is quite legible.

Glad you enjoyed the Patterson Janet, but those curvy pages are a real teaser aren't they  ::)? You certainly steamed through a stack of pages! Impressive! I did wonder whether we ought to get, if possible, an early report from Philip and co. as to how accurate we are working. What do you think? I've nearly crossed over a couple of lines as I worked. So now I'm purposely slower with this one. It'll be easier towards the middle of the book.
I noticed that the Yorktown and Yukon are trailing, on pages done, compared to the rest.  I'd  hate for that to put folks off - that's why I've not gone back to the Rodgers. But you're very welcome to the Patterson helm if you're enjoying it!  ;D 8)

Well, I've already started to look at Yukon, and I'm going to stay with her for a while because it will be easier to answer newbie questions if I've experienced it.  All the discussion today about overlapping boxes and double barometers helped me decide.  And while I enjoy being captain, it has never been an overwhelming goal for me.  If we play leap-frog with Patterson, life will be fun and the ship will be transcribed (2/3rds worth.) 8)

I have one pet peeve that needs solving if I'm going to transcribe instead of research landmarks - where is she??!! ???

Am I really seeing Mendocino and Humboldt in California, or are we somewhere very different?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 November 2012, 16:30:01
Yes, Yukon is off the coast of northern California.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 03 November 2012, 16:33:59
Thanks, that helps.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 November 2012, 16:51:44
If you see something like "Square 781" in red ink, see http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3404.0
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 03 November 2012, 17:55:09
When I started, it was talking about Trinidad!
It took me awhile to figure out that we weren't in the Caribbean!

That is definitely one name that will misdirect no matter where you look, if you don't know approx. location ahead of asking. ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 04 November 2012, 06:46:02
Yes, thanks for putting it in SODA, Randi. I was wondering too. Then I came across Eureka and I was really confused.

See my note in the duplicates thread. There are lots of duplicates and triplicates in the Yukon/Mary Ann
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 04 November 2012, 07:07:41
Yes, thanks for putting it in SODA, Randi. I was wondering too. Then I came across Eureka and I was really confused.

See my note in the duplicates thread. There are lots of duplicates and triplicates in the Yukon/Mary Ann

It was the "Mendocino" that aimed me at California in the first place - I have an aunt currently living in Chico, and knew she was nearer to Mendocino than San Francisco.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 04 November 2012, 12:36:46
This is the report to congress on the building and commissioning of the Carlile P. Patterson in 1884.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 06 November 2012, 14:46:38
Blah!! ANOTHER duplicated page:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4782_0.jpg
August 8th 1884

LESSON TO LEARN: now we can go back to pages check the next two pages as you go along to avoid spending hours wasting your time. Sigh!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 07 November 2012, 16:19:22
Sorry about the duplicates. I expect we'll see their number drop off from our A2 station now with more experience gained. Please remember though that this series was shot by a student volunteer early on and not by a professional as was the case with UK logs. We don't want to waste your time either so if it isn't readily manageable let me know.  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 07 November 2012, 16:45:29
You apparently haven't read some of our comments on some of the RN log scans ::)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 07 November 2012, 16:50:15
Sorry about the duplicates. I expect we'll see their number drop off from our A2 station now with more experience gained. Please remember though that this series was shot by a student volunteer early on and not by a professional as was the case with UK logs. We don't want to waste your time either so if it isn't readily manageable let me know.  :)
We are managing.  It is more a minor irritant, the kind of thing that happens in the learning curve.  And made some additional transcriptions for the weather page - the comment page is what alerts us, it triggers memories and Foxfire drop-downs.  The RN 'professionals' never did figure out how to put single page inserts so they wouldn't be cut in half - equally irritating, and it never went away.

The only thing I'd want the scanners to go back for was the multi-page insert that was never fully opened and scanned.  My curiosity bump is itching again. :)
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3383.msg54643#msg54643
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 07 November 2012, 18:30:27
Sorry about the duplicates. I expect we'll see their number drop off from our A2 station now with more experience gained. Please remember though that this series was shot by a student volunteer early on and not by a professional as was the case with UK logs. We don't want to waste your time either so if it isn't readily manageable let me know.  :)

Oh it's just annoying when you're trying to save the planet, Kevin. I have so little time that I hate wasting it - it's sometimes just good to get it off your chest rather than steam gently with it for too long...I know it'll get better - I think you've already mentioned the situation at your end and I'm sympathetic to that. Can't imagine what my first entries were like!  ::) ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 07 November 2012, 19:13:04
Kevin, complaining to sympathetic company about minor shared irritations is necessary to the health of the soul.  True for anyone doing anything, I think.  If we have major problems, you'll get direct questions from us. 8)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 28 November 2012, 11:35:22
When the Patterson first arrived on the west coast in 1885. :)


Sacramento daily record-union. (Sacramento [Calif.]) 1875-1891, November 27, 1885, Image 2

Image provided by University of California, Riverside; Riverside, CA
Persistent link: http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn82014381/1885-11-27/ed-1/seq-2/

(http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn82014381/1885-11-27/ed-1/seq-2/image_681x432_from_2676,5046_to_4315,6086.jpg)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 28 November 2012, 11:39:02
Patterson's 1914 rescue of the crew of the grounded USRC Tahoma.


Keowee courier. (Pickens Court House, S.C.) 1849-current, September 30, 1914, Image 1

Image provided by University of South Carolina; Columbia, SC
Persistent link: http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn84026912/1914-09-30/ed-1/seq-1/
(http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn84026912/1914-09-30/ed-1/seq-1/image_681x432_from_375,5237_to_3516,7231.jpg)

Evening public ledger. (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, September 29, 1914, Sports Final, Page 5, Image 5

Image provided by Penn State University Libraries; University Park, PA
Persistent link: http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83045211/1914-09-29/ed-5/seq-5/
(http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83045211/1914-09-29/ed-5/seq-5/image_681x432_from_588,264_to_1960,1135.jpg)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 05 January 2013, 17:26:39

(5/6am - additional entries between lines...what do I do with these please?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4816_0.jpg
Sorry - I think these might have been discussed in the last few days...but I can't trace it.
Thanks,
Joan
(cc'd this from the Logs page))
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 05 January 2013, 17:43:36
I have asked Philip ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 05 January 2013, 22:20:15
Topic: half hour reading - Patterson

the log keeper inserted a 25th wind reading apparently in connection to a course change at about 9:30am, with a wind change at 10am.  Apparently in connection to a course change, although I don't know if the course change was planned or in response to the wind change.

I entered it even though it was only a ditto mark with no other information.  Will this mess up the analysts so I should delete it?  Or should I keep it?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4785_0.jpg

Please put it in - it will complicate the analysis but I'm sure we'll cope.

Philip answered just before Christmas, the holidays blurred all our memories. :) 
Your extra wind reading would be at 5:30am.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 06 January 2013, 03:35:23
Here's the attachment from Janet's example:
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 06 January 2013, 16:55:19
Thanks again for this one! J 8)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 11 January 2013, 15:52:50
Very bizarrely the crew list of 1848/9 from a ship called the Ewing are contained in the log for Patterson. Haven't transcribed the main page behind this inserted multi-page list - no doubt the list's appearance is explained there.
The list includes many deserters, but a chap called John Black mentioned on this page:
 
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4826_1.jpg

is noted as HUNG FOR MUTINY.  :o :o :o

Gives me the shivers....

Whoa!!! Next page of the list, Peter Black is also hung for mutiny.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 11 January 2013, 15:59:56
Janet reported this (but not the hanging!)
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3531.msg58891#msg58891
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 11 January 2013, 16:02:11
Oh yes...my memory is so erm, what was I about to say?  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 11 January 2013, 16:06:18
Mutiny on the EWING

http://www.history.noaa.gov/stories_tales/ewingmutiny.html

It takes a bit to get going, but it is quite a story.
John and Peter Black are mentioned.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 11 January 2013, 19:24:17
Janet reported this (but not the hanging!)
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3531.msg58891#msg58891

I never read it in detail, just the page headings!!  Bad habit, I miss all the juicy stories being that hasty.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 12 January 2013, 14:45:10
Mutiny on the EWING

http://www.history.noaa.gov/stories_tales/ewingmutiny.html

It takes a bit to get going, but it is quite a story.
John and Peter Black are mentioned.

Brilliant find. Ghastly ends though! Swinging from the yard arm literally, or being let off with 100 lashes (HOW  do you survive 100 lashes?) followed by hard labor-cum-solitary confinement.
Jeepers.  :o
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 14 January 2013, 13:11:01
I just looked at one of these Ewing crew list pages. By the handwriting I guess these are research notes from sometime much later - was there any indication on the first page who the writer was or when?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 14 January 2013, 13:46:14
The 2 page typed copy is initialed and dated in the upper right corner, first page:  PAS(?) 7/24/37
     http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4822_1.jpg
     http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4823_1.jpg

The 4 page handwritten original is signed and dated on the last page: 
     Above names taken from daily log of Schooner "Ewing"   July 22, 1937.   Paul A. Smith(?)
     http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4824_1.jpg
     http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4825_1.jpg
     http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4826_1.jpg
     http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4827_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 15 January 2013, 09:07:12
The following pages are the same as each other. I've posted this in faulty duplicated scans thread as well. 18th Sept 1884
Joan

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4830_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4831_0.jpg

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4830_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4831_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 07 February 2013, 13:09:50
I just finished the first log book for the Patterson, which ends Feb 5 1885 or so.

The next log book that comes up for the ship is from Jan 1, 1911 - Mar 31, 1911.

Is that a normal jump or does it matter if the log books are not in order chronologically?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 07 February 2013, 13:22:31
It depends on the order they were scanned by NARA, not the order they were written.  If you look at the Patterson reference page (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3315.0) written by our shipherds, you will see we were sent sample of 2 very different types of printed logs, one from 1884 and one from 1914.  If you post us a link to your new log page (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1073.0), we can see which of the log formats this is.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 07 February 2013, 13:31:10
The format changed completely between the two.  Easy to figure out, but it just seemed odd that they'd put the books in an order that skips 26 years or something between book 1 and 2.

As long as it works for you people using this data, it doesn't much matter to me - just thought I'd ask if this was an error on somebody's part before I get in too deep.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 07 February 2013, 13:36:49
Nope - we asked for a wide range of logs.  And got them.  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 07 February 2013, 14:14:45
Copy from crew list topic:

Beware, this is also one of the books scanned for our beta testing, when grad students were learning how to scan by trial and error.  Watch for duplicate pages - the additional pages may be skipped.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%202/IMG_4982_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%202/IMG_4983_0.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 07 February 2013, 15:06:04
Scanning is too difficult a task for your average grad student these days?  :o ???
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 07 February 2013, 15:10:50
And yes, there are duplicated pages.  The officer list was duplicated.  Jan 1 was duplicated.  We'll see what else happens...
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 07 February 2013, 15:13:51
Yes... ;D
On January 8, 1910 (which is really 1911, but should be transcribed as 1910 because that is what is in the log) the Air (Dry) temperature is in the wrong column.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%202/IMG_4993_0.jpg
You can see that the column headings have been corrected. The data should be entered in the correct column (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3191.msg51628#msg51628).
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 07 February 2013, 16:39:50
Also, what is with those dry temperature readings - they're showing readings of between 5 and 15 or so. 

I figure that can't be degrees Fahrenheit - Weather Underground shows the record low for Jan 3 in Alameda CA as 3?C.  So it must be some other scale?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 07 February 2013, 17:39:05
Celsius?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 07 February 2013, 17:59:07
It'd be really weird if it was Celsius, because the "Ther attached" reading for the barometer is clearly in Fahrenheit.  Plus this is 1911 America - I'd be shocked if the Coast Guard was using Celsius.

The dry bulb readings also given in 0.5 increments - 15.5 or 17.0 or 6.0 or whatever.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 07 February 2013, 18:35:34
This is not the Coast Guard, it is the Coast and Geodetic Survey. They are probably more scientifically oriented. You have a good point about "Ther attached" being Fahrenheit, but since these don't seen to be Fahrenheit, Celsius seems a reasonable guess :-\
1oC is roughly 2oF, so using .5o might make sense.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 07 February 2013, 20:44:04
The Coast Guard had always been military with police powers, with military officers and civilian crews on their ships during our window on history.  The Coast Survey administration, a predecessor to NOOA, has always been totally civilian and very scientific.  Their primary purpose in life is making very good maps and nautical charts.  I'm very surprised they had a Celsius thermometer, but not at all surprised that all their officers would be comfortable with it.

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 15 February 2013, 17:05:20
FINALLY made it from Funchal to Rio.

Oh we're going to Rio.
De Janeiro  (la la la laaa)

(http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/3821/roiold.jpg)

My dad visited Rio on a good will trip on the Sheffield after the war - he loved it - always wanted to go back. He wanted to go out on Concorde and back on a banana boat. the thought would set him off singing the banana boat song (oh six foot, seven foot, eight foot bunch...Oh daylight come and me wan' go home .. I seem to recall it features a deadly tarantula).

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 16 February 2013, 18:25:05
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4846_1.jpg   (Janet and Propriome)

The position should be calculable, but probably there's an airport here nowadays (Santos Dumont - http://mapcarta.com/24947006)
- Rat Island to NNW (actually Ilha Fiscal - http://mapcarta.com/19272326)
- Villegagnon Island to SxE (http://mapcarta.com/19235716)
- Fort Santa Cruz to SE (Fortaleza de Santa Cruz da Barra - http://mapcarta.com/26577796)

So the ship should be quite near the actual airport. The coast line has surely got modified to make space for it.

The point is to SW.
-----------
The only older map of Rio I could find that had some of your names in the detail insert was in the Rumsey collection:
Brasil du Sud 1930

I'm guessing "Colhaforca" was either a building or business, or renamed "Calabouco" before 1910.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 16 February 2013, 18:57:37
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4852_1.jpg

9th October 1884:
At 11.40 His Imperial Majesty Dom Pedro II of Brazil and his personal staff came on board and inspected the ship...

(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9179/pedroiicirca1887btransp.png)

(From Wiki: A savant in his own right, the Emperor established a reputation as a vigorous sponsor of learning, culture and the sciences. He won the respect and admiration of scholars such as Charles Darwin, Victor Hugo and Friedrich Nietzsche, and was a friend to Richard Wagner, Louis Pasteur and Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, among others.)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 16 February 2013, 18:59:24
I'm thinking a science ship would have instruments that interested him more than a war ship would have.  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 16 February 2013, 19:04:02
You absolutely hit the nail on the head Janet - the last log entry of the day says:  'C.&G.S. work on "Deep Sea Soundings", presented to the Emperor.'  :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 16 February 2013, 19:42:12
And I didn't open the log scan. ;D
He just sounded as if he and I got our curiosity from the same pool.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 16 February 2013, 20:14:41
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 01 March 2013, 17:57:54
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%203/IMG_5150_1.jpg

9:25 Dr. Schwartz left ship to attend autopsy and give testimony in the case of murdered Japanese at Kings Cove Cannery

I'd love to find out more information on this.  Google tells me King's Cove was founded as a community in 1911 (well, the Aleut people were already there, but in terms of outsiders...) when a salmon cannery was set up.  And already a Japanese (man?) gets murdered needing an autopsy and doctor's testimony?

It seems they employed Asian labourers and the murdered Japanese guy(?) must have been one of them:

In 1911, Pacific American Fisheries built a large cannery and employed Aleut and other Native peoples, Asian workers, and Scandinavian workers. Many Native people came from the villages of Belkofski, Sanak and False Pass. (http://www.aleutianseast.org/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={E8C1C50E-59DD-41FE-91DE-5D4E508F2081})

Anyways, kind of interesting, though it's not directly involving anyone on the ship.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 01 March 2013, 18:47:17
That's interesting! :o  It's not a side of life in the navy that you think of...
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 02 March 2013, 07:17:20
When I visited some historic ships in San Francisco, there was quite a lot of information about (I think) Chinese crew members who were employed in the canning factories and so on of the ships which went north up the coast towards Alaska.  I suspect they got the more unpleasant jobs ....
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 02 March 2013, 07:25:26
The Patterson has one, or maybe two (I don't remember now) Chinese men employed as cooks
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 02 March 2013, 11:50:05
Well - I can't blame them.  Some of those newspapers that I posted bits of had other very sinister articles about how the immigrant Chinese (in particular) were seen as undermining the San Francisco economy - especially by sending so much money home (despite undercutting the local pay rates of the other workers). Some papers featured proposed anti-Chinese groups to cause physical trouble to Chinatown. It was sounding a bit vigilante. So a trip away on a boat might well have seemed like a safe move, even if the pay was not top dollar. The Chinese of SF really did live in interesting times.  :o :P
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 08 March 2013, 11:53:26
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%204/IMG_5214_1.jpg

Check out the list of returned defective items in the Noon-8 pm section of the log.  With this level of quality, I wonder how the Pacific Hardware and Steel Co could have stayed in business.

Yet, it looks like they survived as a separate entity for 7 years after this entry, when they merged with Baker and Hamilton

www.noehill.com/sf/landmarks/nat2005000001.asp

And then Baker and Hamilton survived until 1974

http://stiletto.com/t-about.aspx
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 08 March 2013, 12:53:49
http://stiletto.com/t-about.aspx:
1906 - Baker and Hamilton's brand new building was completely destroyed in the Big San Francisco Earthquake

http://www.noehill.com/sf/landmarks/nat2005000001.asp:
The building narrowly missed destruction in 1906 Earthquake and Fire when the fire traveled down Townsend Street, turned north and burned only the east side of Seventh Street. The fire destroyed many warehouses, leaving the Baker & Hamilton Building a rare survivor.

 ??? ::) ???
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 08 March 2013, 14:32:15
Those sites are talking about 2 different buildings I think.

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 08 March 2013, 14:55:16
That was my first thought, but I don't think the 24-year-old building at Pine and Bush would be referred as "brand new" in 1906 especially when another has been just built in 1904-1905.
 :-\
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 08 March 2013, 16:13:06
"New" is relative to any other building you've been in.  It becomes a name, when the "old" one is still in use.

More importantly, the other site is the official list of historic landmarks - the company's own site has a right to present it's family myths; but I don't know if that would be tolerated when getting landmark status.   I suspect the truth for the red brick building is the walls survived but there was significant damage that felt like destruction.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 13 March 2013, 17:07:02
It seems to signify approximately nothing, since the ship is already at anchorage, but somebody drew a very lovely picture of an anchor in the weather log for May 30th 1911.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%204/IMG_5260_0.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 13 March 2013, 17:12:11
oh great! Those things are as rare as hen's teeth! Last one anyone drew attention to (as a doodle) was, I think, about last October with the heart-and-arrow in the Rodger's log  8)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 13 March 2013, 17:13:38
Someone had extra time on his hands. :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 13 March 2013, 17:16:19
It was memorial day - maybe the holiday time made him feel artistic.  There's another one (though not quite as lovely) the next day as well

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%204/IMG_5261_0.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 15 March 2013, 12:45:36
Thankfully not belonging in the burials at sea posting:

A Kalrow, Seaman, attempted to commit suicide by jumping overboard, but was prevented from doing so by Boatswain Ramberg and Assistant Janish.  M at Arms and 1 Seaman keeping watch over him

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%204/IMG_5275_0.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 15 March 2013, 14:55:44
I believe the name is A. Kalnow.

And good news - he apparently ended up doing OK, the 1920 census finds him to be 1st Mate on the liner SS Juneau.

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 15 March 2013, 14:57:11
It is Kalnow - the next day's writing is clearer, where he tried again to kill himself, this time by jumping through a porthole and got put in irons as a result

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%204/IMG_5276_0.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 15 March 2013, 14:58:58
I'm sorry he felt in such distress.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 01 April 2013, 17:41:05
I'm starting a new book with a set of entries that haven't been filled in and have a question:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%207/IMG_5548_0.jpg

The weather log lists the Thermometer readings as "Air" and "Water."  The "Water" reading was excluded in 1911, but it seems in 1912, with a new captain, they're filling it in.

The reference page for the Patterson (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3315.msg53691#msg53691) puts these entries under "Dry" and "Wet"

Is that how I should transcribe, even though the heading is actually "Water"?  or should I do "Dry" and "Water" to match the page headings

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 01 April 2013, 17:52:29
Go by the 1914 reference page: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3315.msg54615#msg54615

The reference pages were written on samples sent to us of different logs used.  You just discovered the change over from first form to second form.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 01 April 2013, 17:55:17
I will record as "Dry" and "Wet"

They actually used this same form in 1911 - they just didn't fill in the "water" reading that year.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 01 April 2013, 17:58:00
Not quite.

The 1914 page we got (http://www.cosmik.com/oldweather/patterson_book16_img_6587.jpg) has water crossed out and wet written in (and a, blank, water column written in on the far left).

Since your 1912 log book has Air and Water, you should enter them as Dry and Water.

I hope this makes sense to you - if not, ask again ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 01 April 2013, 18:10:29
Well, luckily I hadn't finished the page from April Fool's Day 1912.  I will record as Dry and Water, unless there is something indicating otherwise.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 01 April 2013, 20:03:25
Randi, they are recording "water" in April (liquid) at 23 to 27 degrees F.  I think we need to ask Philip and/or Kevin.  I'll send them this thread.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 02 April 2013, 10:02:50
They appear to be off the coast of Panama (Taboga Island), which would make the water temperature believable (from the little I know of Panamanian ocean temperatures)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 02 April 2013, 11:12:44
Randi had it right, and the dry/water is in C.  Kevin also explained why they switch to dry/wet in the arctic.  Always go with the headings.

Interestingly, in the examples they are using C for air/water and F for attached thermometer. In one they are in Panama and the values are in the 20s for the former and 80s for the latter (and a bit high as one might expect inside the ship). Absent other evidence I would accept what they say they're measuring is the fact. Further, I can imagine why, in the foggier parts of Alaska, and with field parties going out frequently in remote areas, they would be more interested in wet/dry temps. These can be used to anticipate when fog will form - an easy operation using a table in Bowditch / Am. Practical Navigator - and thus predict on the cooling side of the day when field parties should be recalled before getting socked-in.

The question has come up in a Patterson 1912 log.  Are they measuring sea water or wet bulb for humidity?  Randi and I are making different guesses, and as neither of us is a climatologist or a sailor, I though we'd better ask.

http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg64669#msg64669
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 03 April 2013, 12:22:59
New question.

On this page: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%207/IMG_5553_0.jpg

It's pretty clear (to me) that they put wind direction in the wrong column (ship is at anchor).  So can I just fill in the wind direction with the info given, or should I leave all this info out?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 April 2013, 12:37:41
Quote
When the log keeper has CLEARLY entered the weather data in the wrong column, it should be put in the correct column.
Weather Data in the Wrong Column: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3191.msg51628#msg51628

It's pretty clear to me too ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 11 April 2013, 18:15:22
Who needs a Chief Engineer anyways?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%207/IMG_5594_0.jpg

Chief Engineer MF Flannery and Fireman Nahinu were not on board ship at sailing hour and ship proceeded to sea without them
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 11 April 2013, 18:38:41
That's what the sails are for ::)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 13 April 2013, 10:01:36
Looks like the Chief Engineer took the overland route to meet the ship in Seattle:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%207/IMG_5600_1.jpg

No word on the other guy at this point
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 13 April 2013, 20:37:04
Hi Asterix,
I just have this mind's eye picture of the engineer racing up the beach after the ship shouting 'Wait for meeeeee!'  ;D
Having discovered that they can drive the thing without him I wonder if they cut his pay??  :-\
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 14 April 2013, 12:20:36
I wonder what happened to him too.  There are regular accounts of sailors being disciplined, but I've seen nothing so far that applies to officers.  I can't imagine there were no consequences to missing a sailing.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 14 April 2013, 12:41:54
The one thing I'm sure of, you can't humiliate an officer publicly in the same way the then-system of enlisted punishments seriously tried to humiliate the ship's sinners.  It would undermine his authority over the crew.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 16 April 2013, 17:25:26
And on June 11, 3 weeks after he made it back on board, the hammer falls on poor Mr. Flannery:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%207/IMG_5622_1.jpg

Mr. MF Flannery, Chief Engr, was this day relieved from duty by Comdg Officer, by direction of the Superintendent
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 April 2013, 17:35:18
 :o :o :o
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 17 April 2013, 13:45:29
I wonder what became of him?  :-[
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 April 2013, 14:06:37
We will never know.  He's too modern, we don't have 20th century officer lists.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 29 April 2013, 18:30:18
I thought this was funny: 

8:00 to Noon:

Quote
10:20 Stopped off White rock.  Mr. Hunter & 2 men left ship in dinghy to whitewash & mark White Rock.

White Rock was obviously misnamed....

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%208/IMG_5726_1.jpg

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 29 April 2013, 18:48:40
 ;D

Perhaps this isn't the first time it was whitewashed ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 30 April 2013, 03:54:26
I thought this was funny: 
8:00 to Noon:
Quote
10:20 Stopped off White rock.  Mr. Hunter & 2 men left ship in dinghy to whitewash & mark White Rock.
White Rock was obviously misnamed....
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%208/IMG_5726_1.jpg
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 01 May 2013, 16:01:22
Randi had it right, and the dry/water is in C.  Kevin also explained why they switch to dry/wet in the arctic.  Always go with the headings.

Interestingly, in the examples they are using C for air/water and F for attached thermometer. In one they are in Panama and the values are in the 20s for the former and 80s for the latter (and a bit high as one might expect inside the ship). Absent other evidence I would accept what they say they're measuring is the fact. Further, I can imagine why, in the foggier parts of Alaska, and with field parties going out frequently in remote areas, they would be more interested in wet/dry temps. These can be used to anticipate when fog will form - an easy operation using a table in Bowditch / Am. Practical Navigator - and thus predict on the cooling side of the day when field parties should be recalled before getting socked-in.

The question has come up in a Patterson 1912 log.  Are they measuring sea water or wet bulb for humidity?  Randi and I are making different guesses, and as neither of us is a climatologist or a sailor, I though we'd better ask.

http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg64669#msg64669

Going back to this question (started on the bottom of page 5 of this thread),

I now am at the log previous to the one I was asking about (because the books are scanned in some wacky order), and now they have decided to add a separate column for water temp:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%209/IMG_5767_0.jpg

Up until this point, when the "water" column was filled in on this log, I'm pretty sure it was water temp (the previous day, for example, has water readings that are higher than the dry bulb reading) - and that's how I've been recording it for 3 or 4 books. 

As of Dec 27, 1911, with the addition of this extra column, I'm pretty sure that the pre-printed water column has magically transformed into a wet bulb column.

So I will record as follows, unless given different marching orders from the powers that be here:

"Air" = Dry
"Water" = Water, unless there is another column hand-written in there, in which case "Water" = Wet
"Water Temp" (handwritten) = Water

If this post is a confusing mess, please let me know and I'll try to clarify 
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 01 May 2013, 16:50:51
It is quite clear to me ;)
I think you are doing it correctly.

We do have this 'later' http://www.djcosmik.com/oldweather/patterson_book16_img_6587.jpg (as I may have mentioned).
I will dig a little more to see if I find anything else useful.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 01 May 2013, 16:53:10
Yes, but 1914 is still years away

or the next book, given the wonky order these things are in
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 01 May 2013, 17:06:52
"Yes, but 1914 is still years away"
I know, but it is about the only help I can give :'(

It seems to stop halfway through 19 Jan 1912.

I'm wondering if they had 2 different ways of measuring water temperature...

Thinking more about it - and about people who don't check the forum and TWYS - I'm having second thoughts about putting 'printed' water as wet.
It may be better to enter it as water and then do a second weather entry for that line with just the hour and the  'handwritten' water.


I will pass this on to Philip.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 01 May 2013, 17:17:57
ok - I have recorded at least one day with the approach I indicated.  Are you able to go back and use computer magic to change the column entries for affected dates if I have taken the wrong approach?  I don't relish going back and editing hundreds of entries.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 01 May 2013, 17:23:21
Maybe you should take a little break :-\ :-[

The more I think about it the less comfortable I am with 'fixing' this. I really think we need official word.
I looked a little at the events pages, but there didn't seen to be any explanation.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 01 May 2013, 17:34:52
Aye Aye.  Maybe I'll visit some other ship until I have been given official orders.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 02 May 2013, 22:48:54
Any official word on what to do here?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 May 2013, 03:59:21
No. I sent Philip a PM but I haven't heard back yet :'(
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 May 2013, 11:08:00
Quote from: philip.brohan
Hi Randi.

 In general we use TWYS - put in what the log says, even if it's wrong. But that's impossible here, as there are two measurements claiming to be water temperatures.

 I agree with asterix's best judgement - the first one is actually a wet-bulb temperature; enter it as such.

Cheers, Philip
 
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 03 May 2013, 11:24:38
aye aye, um, sir  ??? (can't be aye aye captain, since I'm the captain.  Can you say aye aye admiral?)

thanks
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 03 May 2013, 15:36:15
Admiral of the Fleet is probably Philip's correct title.  Admiral would be Kevin's title.  VIP both of them. ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 09 May 2013, 14:46:14
The Patterson appears to have invented time travel:

10:50 Mr Lukens left in the launch for the tide station 
10:15 Mr. Lukens returned, hoisted launch and boats

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%209/IMG_5811_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 09 May 2013, 18:54:05
You could just call me Doctor Captain (I tried to sell that around the lab but that didn't fly!)  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 13 May 2013, 18:27:14
Slovenliness - not generally a quality you would look for in a cook

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%209/IMG_5829_1.jpg

"The wardroom cook, for general slovenliness, was put on bridge watch for 6 hours and quarantined for four weeks."

At least it was the wardroom cook.  No telling what might have happened if the officers' cook had been slovenly.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 13 May 2013, 18:46:38
It does seem to be the officers' cook: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/wardroom :o
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 14 May 2013, 10:08:58
Would the officers have 2 cooks?  Because Ben Chin is listed as Officer's cook throughout the logbook (why I assumed that wardroom cook is not for the officers)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 May 2013, 12:36:28
I don't know...

Officer's Cook seems to be/have been a general term.

In Thetis' log (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol004of024/vol004_006_0.jpg) it lists several different kinds of cooks, although Thetis 'only' has 1 Ship's Cook, 1 Cabin Cook, and 1 Ward-room Cook.
Definitions from: http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq78-3.htm (for US Navy, so there may be some differences here)

Ship's Cook (Changed from Cook 1838; changed to Ship's Cook 1c, 2c, and 3c 1893; changed to Commissaryman 1948.)
Cabin Cook (Changed from Officer's Cook 1864; changed to Officer's Cook 1c 1923.)
Ward-room Cook (Changed from Officer's Cook 1864; changed to Officer's cook 2c 1923.)
Steerage Cooks (Changed from Officer's Cook 1864; changed to Officer's Cook 2c 1923.)
Warrant Officer's Cook (Changed from Officer's Cook 1864; changed to Officers Cook 3c 1923.)
Cook to Commander-in-Chief - only on a flagship (Changed from Officer's Cook 1864; disestablished 1921.)

From http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq78-3.htm
Officer's Cook - Established 1838; changed to Cook to Commander-in-Chief, Cabin Cook, Wardroom Cook, Steerage Cook, and Warrant Officer's Cook 1864.

(I hadn't associated Steerage with Officers :o ::) ???)

In the United States military, a Warrant Officer (grade W-1 to W-5) is ranked as an officer above the senior-most enlisted ranks, as well as officer cadets and candidates, but below the officer grade of O-1 (NATO: OF-1). Warrant officers are highly skilled, single-track specialty officers... - http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Warrant+Officer+%28United+States%29

Since, strictly speaking, the captain is not a wardroom officer, I wonder if the Cabin Cook is the captain's cook :-\
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 15 May 2013, 18:49:56
Two things I think would be fun to know about this incident:

1) What inspired this guy to refuse work for 2 weeks.  The only other mention of him in the log is 2 weeks prior to this, where he was given 4 weeks quarantine for bringing whisky on board (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%209/IMG_5816_1.jpg).

2) I would LOVE to see a transcript of what was said when Seaman Anderson was "given a clear understanding of his position"

John Anderson, Seaman

03/03/1912 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%209/IMG_5835_1.jpg) - Refused duty and was put in double irons

04/03/1912 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%209/IMG_5836_1.jpg) - Personally notified Seaman Anderson that his pay would be stopped for such time as he continued to refuse duty - RS Patton Ass't G&GS Exec Officer

05/03/1912 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%209/IMG_5837_1.jpg) - still refusing to turn to was kept in irons

06/03/1912 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%209/IMG_5838_1.jpg) - stiff refusing to turn to was kept in irons

07/03/1912 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%209/IMG_5839_1.jpg) - still refusing duty was put on bread and water and kept in irons in the sick bay

08/03/1912 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%209/IMG_5840_1.jpg) - still refusing to work was kept in irons

09/03/1912 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%209/IMG_5841_1.jpg) - was brought up to the mast and given a clear understanding of his position.  He still refused to work and was kept in irons

10/03/1912 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%209/IMG_5842_1.jpg) - still refuses duty was still kept in single irons but was given full ration to-day in conformity with navigation law

11/03/1912 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%209/IMG_5843_1.jpg) - The irons were taken off Seaman Anderson and he was ordered to turn to, he refused to do so and the irons were replaced

12/03/1912 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%209/IMG_5844_1.jpg) - The irons were taken off Seaman Anderson today to allow him to take a bath and change his clothes.  After he had done so they were replaced

16/03/1912 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%209/IMG_5848_1.jpg) - Seaman Anderson this morning expressed a willingness to work for the first time since his confinement and was released from irons
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 15 May 2013, 19:16:03
 :o Keep us posted!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 04 June 2013, 18:32:17
Okay, back to the miserable confusion about what is being recorded in the "Water" column for the logs.

On the last logbook (Oct 1-Dec 30, 1912 - starting here - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2010/IMG_5872_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2010/IMG_5872_0.jpg)), the logkeepers were very kind about crossing out the word "Water" and writing in "Wet" every single day.

Now they're in Hawaii and obviously, the tropical sun has made them a bit more lax.  They are just leaving the "Water" column as is for most days (eg http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2011/IMG_6001_0.jpg)

But of course just to keep things interesting, there are a couple of exceptions when they manage to write in the word "Wet"

Jan 4, 1913 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2011/IMG_6004_0.jpg)
Feb 17, 1913 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS Patterson/Book 11/IMG_6049_0.jpg)
March 2, 1913 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2011/IMG_6063_0.jpg)
March 12, 1913 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2011/IMG_6075_0.jpg) and thereafter as they head back to Seattle and start recording surface water temperature.

SO, based on the previous log and their once a month notation of Wet in the Water column, I'm going to record the water column from this log book as Wet. 
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 04 June 2013, 19:05:43
Do the best you can - you are now the most knowledgeable living soul at guessing what this log keeper was doing.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 05 June 2013, 04:48:37
oh the pleasures to come! Asterix I'm so grateful that you've logged all these oddities. It'll save me a lot of brainache later...Lucky me - so thank you lots!
Joan  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 05 June 2013, 10:01:38
Do the best you can - you are now the most knowledgeable living soul at guessing what this log keeper was doing.

Part of the reason I'm posting this is that, in the (probably likely) case that different people transcribe these values into different columns, our oldweather digital overlords will have some reference to what was going on and will be able to use these comments to better align the data to what seems most appropriate.  Is that a reasonable assumption?

oh the pleasures to come! Asterix I'm so grateful that you've logged all these oddities. It'll save me a lot of brainache later...Lucky me - so thank you lots!
Joan  :D :D :D

And I'm only guessing - I think I may have gotten it wrong earlier - I think what I counted as water readings were in fact wet bulb readings.  But who knows - you'll probably be in a better position to guess than I was when I hit those books.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 05 June 2013, 10:21:34
Yes, I think the science team keeps an eye on the discussion threads.

We just do the best we can at the time ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 10 June 2013, 11:15:29
The Patterson appears to have taken deep sea temperature readings during its work:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2011/IMG_6038_1.jpg (see the mid to noon section)

These readings are not in the log, and I have no idea what, if anything was ever done with this data, but it may be something for people to look into
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 12 June 2013, 15:03:32
O.W. Swainson was the Third Officer for the Patterson as it headed off to Hawaii.  At some point, he elected to stay in Honolulu and transcribe hydrography charts rather than head back out to the working grounds with the ship (don't recall exactly when).  I figured he just found it more efficient to work on shore.

Then on March 11, 1913 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2011/IMG_6074_1.jpg), the day before the Patterson is set to sail back to Seattle, there is this little entry at the bottom of the comments page:

Quote
Mrs. O.W. Swainson, cabin passenger to Seattle, came aboard at 7:00

Now I wonder if that was the cause or the effect of his working in Honolulu.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 12 June 2013, 15:07:38
 ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 14 June 2013, 12:35:53
I've noticed that on a fairly regular basis on the Patterson, when crew are hired on, they are hired at one rating and then immediately "rated up" to a higher pay grade.

eg: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2012/IMG_6106_0.jpg

All four guys who were hired on were "hired" at a 2" class rating, and then immediately given a $5 (per month?) raise and increase in rating to 1" class.

Does anyone know why they would do this rather than just hiring them at the rating they're going to have?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 14 June 2013, 12:59:19
I really don't know, but have some guesses.  Either their empty spots on the roster need the higher grade and the pool at that port are not yet qualified for it, and/or they hire sailors whose paperwork is that lower grade by bribing them with the promise of immediate promotion.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 14 June 2013, 13:03:51
I'm guessing more the bribery angle because it happens with such regularity.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 14 June 2013, 13:09:07
I'm guessing that bribery ploy was very successful anytime the pool of sailors looking for a ship was smaller then the number of openings offered by all the ships in port.  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 28 June 2013, 12:08:54
On this page: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2012/IMG_6209_0.jpg

for two hours they recorded both "Surface temp" and "Water temp"

Luckily these are both the same value both times, so I'm just going to put that in the water column.

But if it happens again, and the values differ, which one is preferred?  Or is there a way to capture both of them?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 28 June 2013, 12:31:30
Since the watch/log keeper had just changed, I'm wondering if he started a new column for the water temperature without realizing that there already was one (or confused by the title 'Surf Temp'). The two column headings seem to be in a different handwriting.
On the previous day (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2012/IMG_6208_0.jpg) the same log keeper seems to have added water(?) temperatures in the Remarks column during his watch.

I think you handled it correctly. If it happens again, and the values differ, we can try to figure out what is going on.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 28 June 2013, 12:44:04
That's probably a good guess.  The log keepers on this voyage don't seem very disciplined compared to some previous voyages.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 30 June 2013, 19:17:48
The Patterson appears to have taken deep sea temperature readings during its work:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2011/IMG_6038_1.jpg (see the mid to noon section)

These readings are not in the log, and I have no idea what, if anything was ever done with this data, but it may be something for people to look into

Yes, these data are generally found in separate field books also held by the National Archives or the Smithsonian. Incidentally, the field books of the ALBATROSS were imaged by the Smithsonian, which will at some point be virtually linked to the logbooks. Often the field books refer to time/position found in the logbooks and so both must be in hand to make use of the data.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 30 June 2013, 20:24:31
Cool.  Will we be getting both of them at the same time?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 01 July 2013, 01:07:57
We are only planning to link the images of the field books that are already available as a development exercise. In the future someone researching some of our ships will be able to see the logs, OW transcriptions (which also enable word-level search) and any other linked open data, some of which may be annotated or transcribed at some point.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 01 August 2013, 15:11:45
I've noticed that on a fairly regular basis on the Patterson, when crew are hired on, they are hired at one rating and then immediately "rated up" to a higher pay grade.

eg: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2012/IMG_6106_0.jpg

All four guys who were hired on were "hired" at a 2" class rating, and then immediately given a $5 (per month?) raise and increase in rating to 1" class.

Does anyone know why they would do this rather than just hiring them at the rating they're going to have?


I'm guessing that bribery ploy was very successful anytime the pool of sailors looking for a ship was smaller then the number of openings offered by all the ships in port.  :)

The bribery angle seems less likely in this case:

oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2013/IMG_6254_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2013/IMG_6254_1.jpg)
oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2013/IMG_6256_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2013/IMG_6256_1.jpg)

Carl Nilsen was discharged for expiration of term of enlistment, ranked as an A to E 2nd Class on July 1st.  Then on July 2nd, he was re-shipped as A to E 3rd class and immediately rated back up to his old rating.

They're basically renewing this guy's contract for a year while at sea in the middle of nowhere Alaska - yet they need to demote him and then promote him back up to the rank he had the previous day. 

It seems quite pointless to me, and I can't figure out any good explanation for it.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 01 August 2013, 15:21:08
That is extremely odd - they are both using him and paying him for a higher grade than he is allowed to keep onshore?  Does he have to take tests or something to keep that grade? 
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 01 August 2013, 15:59:48
It could be that there is a standard billet list for the ship - in today's merchant marine it is the official manning document that is part of the certificate of inspection. So a ship has to have, say, one master, three mates, 4 ABs and 8 ordinary seamen...  So you hire the only guy you have to fill the OS billet and then promote him to his usual rating and pay. In fact, now that I think about it I sailed on more than one occasion in a billet two levels below grade but was paid my usual rate as chief officer or whatever it was. This was because the person who was supposed to sail as 3rd was not able to make it and I was asked to make a 'pier-head leap' as its called.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 01 August 2013, 16:42:35
So in this case "rated to A to E 2nd class" means he's officially listed on the books as 3rd class, but being paid as if he was 2nd class?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 01 August 2013, 16:48:26
Thanks, Kevin! That is very interesting.



So in this case "rated to A to E 2nd class" means he's officially listed on the books as 3rd class, but being paid as if he was 2nd class?

Or perhaps once the books have been approved he is upgraded?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 01 August 2013, 17:21:00
It could be that there is a standard billet list for the ship - in today's merchant marine it is the official manning document that is part of the certificate of inspection. So a ship has to have, say, one master, three mates, 4 ABs and 8 ordinary seamen...  So you hire the only guy you have to fill the OS billet and then promote him to his usual rating and pay. In fact, now that I think about it I sailed on more than one occasion in a billet two levels below grade but was paid my usual rate as chief officer or whatever it was. This was because the person who was supposed to sail as 3rd was not able to make it and I was asked to make a 'pier-head leap' as its called.

That makes more sense.  The ship gets better help, and willingly pays for it, but has to tell the shore folk they have filled all the basic grades.  Especially in a survey or scientific expedition, the added skills would allow nice flexibility when you send out small parties.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 06 August 2013, 14:50:35
I'm way back on the Patterson - still heading up to Valparaiso. We've stopped over at Talcahuana and have met the American Consul, Mr J Van Lugen on 30/11/1884 (gosh - exactly three years ago I was burning down on the Rodgers....how the years go by). Curious to know more of the consul I found this:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Lt William Maxwell Wood's Voyage on the Juniata
(http://www.rosewindpress.com/images/Wm_Maxwell_Wood_Journal_JUNIATA.pdf)

About the March 14th 1887
'Before leaving we gave an afternoon dance on the ship and had all our friends off to it except our Consul. Mr. Van Lugen and his family, wife and party daughter and the guests from Santiago, Mr & Mrs. Manuola.
They, the Van Lugens did not seem to get on well with the rest of the inhabitants.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Party-pooper..oh well... :-\ :-X
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 06 August 2013, 15:13:31
 8)

It seems to me that his job is to get on well with the rest of the inhabitants. ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 06 August 2013, 15:24:05
By Gum - you're right....we'll have his salary back then ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 07 August 2013, 09:26:20
disappointing for his "party daughter", I imagine  :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 07 August 2013, 13:21:43
That's an odd one isn't it Craig...a party daughter...the only thing it brings to my mind is the old party telephone line system where folks had to share a line if there were insufficient at the exchange. Perhaps there was a dearth of daughters in town.  ::) ::) :-\ ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 27 August 2013, 06:35:42
Rear Admiral Upshur (Nee Nottingham) visits the Patterson during anchorage in Valparaiso.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4919_1.jpg
13/12/1884
He was promoted to Commodore Commander, July 25, 1884. He comanded the Flagship of the Pacific Squadron, 1872-73; commanded the Flagship of the Atlantic Squadron, 1875-76; commanded the New York Navy Yard, 1882-84; he was promoted to Rear Admiral and ordered to command U.S. Naval Forces in the Pacific. He retired in May 1885, after 44 years os service, at his own application and resided in Washington, D.C. thereafter.
http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/jhupshur.htm
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d0/John_Henry_Upshur.jpg)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 28 August 2013, 12:39:24
September 16, 1913 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2013/IMG_6333_1.jpg) The Patterson passed through several streaks of small pumice stone (old).

Never seen this before.  Doesn't seem like there was significant volcanic activity that year in Alaska. (https://www.avo.alaska.edu/volcanoes/activity.php?volcname=Shishaldin&page=citations&eruptionid=562)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 28 August 2013, 14:57:55
SPOILER ALERT!!!

For any other Patterson transcribers, I thought it might be interesting to know what the log books are because they aren't always in order.  I'll update this post as I get farther along:

Since asterix135 is no longer active, I have taken over this list.
It has been updated to include all the logs - having gone as far as I could on this ship, I can confirm the list is complete.

- Hanibal94

Log Books of the Patterson

1. July 30, 1884 - February 4, 1885 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4770_0.jpg)
Sailing from Virginia (as a shiny new ship) to San Diego, California

2. January 1, 1911 - March 31, 1911 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%202/IMG_4978_0.jpg)
Spent entirely in port/dry dock in or near San Francisco, California

3. July 1, 1911 - September 30, 1911 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%203/IMG_5095_0.jpg)
Working around Unalaska, Alaska

4. April 1, 1911 - June 30, 1911 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%204/IMG_5196_0.jpg)
From San Francisco California to area around Unalaska, Alaska

6. September 1, 1911 - December 15, 1911 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%206/IMG_5454_0.jpg)
From Unalaska, Alaska Area to San Francisco, California

7. April 1, 1912 - June 30, 1912 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%207/IMG_5542_0.jpg)
From Panama to Seattle, Washington

8. July 1, 1912 - September 30, 1912 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%208/IMG_5646_0.jpg)
From Seattle to area around Ketchikan, Alaska

9. December 15, 1911 - March 31, 1912 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%209/IMG_5749_0.jpg)
From San Francisco, California to Panama

10. October 1, 1912 - December 31, 1912 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2010/IMG_5867_0.jpg)
From area around Ketchikan, Alaska to Seattle, Washington and Departing for Maui, Hawaii

11. January 1, 1913 - March 31, 1913 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2011/IMG_5995_0.jpg)
Starting with passage to Maui, Hawaii, ending in Seattle, Washington

12. April 1, 1913 - June 30, 1913 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2012/IMG_6101_0.jpg)
From Seattle Washington to Davidson Bank, Alaska

13. July 1, 1913 - September 30, 1913 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2013/IMG_6248_0.jpg)
Working in and around Davidson Bank, Alaska

14. October 1, 1913 - December 31, 1913 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6357_0.jpg)
Working in and around Davidson Bank, Alaska then directly to Honolulu & Maui, Hawaii

15. April 1, 1914 - June 30, 1914 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2015%20-%20April%201%20-%20June%2030,%201914/IMG_6463_0.jpg)
Starting in Hawaii and then off to Alaska

16. July 1, 1914 - September 30, 1914 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2016/IMG_6569_0.jpg)
Working in the Alaskan peninsula

17. October 1, 1914 - December 31, 1914 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2017/IMG_6672_0.jpg)
Starting in the area around Unalaska Alaska and then heading to Seattle, Washington

18. January 1, 1915 - March 31, 1915 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2018/IMG_6779_0.jpg)
Sitting. In. Seattle. The. Entire. Three. Months

19. October 1, 1915 - December 31, 1915 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2019/IMG_6888_0.jpg)
Alaska to Seattle

20. July 1, 1915 - September 30, 1915 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2020/IMG_6991_1.jpg)
Working in Alaska

21. April 1, 1915 - June 30, 1915 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2021/IMG_7098_0.jpg)
Generally in & around Seattle, but at the end up to Alaska

22. January 1, 1916 - March 31, 1916 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2022/IMG_7212_0.jpg)
In port in Seattle

23. April 1, 1916 - June 30, 1916 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2023/IMG_7329_0.jpg)
From Seattle to area north of Ketchikan Alaska

24. July 1, 1916 - September 30, 1916 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2024/IMG_7431_0.jpg)
Working in the area near Ketchikan and Wrangell Alaska

25. October 1, 1916 - December 31, 1916 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7532_0.jpg)
Working in the area near Ketchikan and Wrangell Alaska and then back to Seattle

26. January 1, 1917 - March 31, 1917 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2026/IMG_7638_0.jpg)
Seattle and Winslow, Washington

27. April 1, 1917 - June 30, 1917 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2027/IMG_7741_0.jpg)
Seattle to Alaska

28. July 1, 1917 - September 30, 1917 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2028/IMG_7846_0.jpg)
Near Juneau Alaska

29. October 1, 1917 - December 31, 1917 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2029/IMG_7959_0.jpg)
From Juneau Alaska to Seattle Washington

30. January 1, 1918 - March 31, 1918 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2030/IMG_8113_0.jpg)
(does not come up for transcription here - see below)

31. April 1, 1918 - May 23, 1918 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2031/IMG_7694_0.jpg)
In port in Seattle until transferred to the US Navy on May 23

32.
Not available

33. February 6, 1885 - July 20, 1885 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2033/IMG_8116_1.jpg)
From San Diego to Naha Bay, Alaska

34. July 21, 1885 - January 16, 1886 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2034/IMG_8216_0.jpg)
From Kasaan Bay, Alaska to Mare Island, California

35. January 17th, 1886 - July 7th, 1886 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2035/IMG_8322_0.jpg)
From Mare Island, California to Steamer Bay, Alaska

36. July 8th, 1886 - December 31st, 1886 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2036/IMG_8425_0.jpg)
From Steamer Bay, Alaska to Mare Island, California

37. January 1st, 1887 - June 27th, 1887 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2037/IMG_8527_0.jpg)
From Mare Island, California to around Chican, Alaska

38. June 28th, 1887 - December 30th, 1887 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2038/IMG_8628_0.jpg)
From Portage Bay, Alaska to Mare Island, California

39. December 31st, 1887 - June 26th, 1888 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2039/IMG_8734_0.jpg)
From Mare Island, California to area near Juneau, Alaska

40. June 27th, 1888 - January 1st, 1889 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2040/IMG_8836_0.jpg)
From Juneau, Alaska to Oakland, California

41. January 2nd, 1889 - July 4th, 1889 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2041/IMG_8940_1.jpg)
From Oakland, California to Southeast Alaska

42. July 5th, 1889 - October 9th, 1889 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2042/IMG_9043_0.jpg)
Mostly working in Alaska, departing for California towards the end

43. October 10th, 1889 - January 12th, 1890 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2043/IMG_9150_0.jpg)
From Alaska to Mare Island, California

44. January 13th, 1890 - July 22nd, 1890 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2044/IMG_9249_0.jpg)
From Mare Island, California to Southeast Alaska

45. October 28th, 1890 - December 31st, 1890 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2045/IMG_9353_0.jpg)
Sitting around in San Francisco and Mare Island, California

46. July 23rd, 1890 - October 27th, 1890 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2046/IMG_9426_1.jpg)
From Portage Bay, Southeast Alaska to San Francisco

47. January 1st, 1891 - April 5th, 1891 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2047/IMG_9531_0.jpg)
Sitting around in Mare Island the whole time

48. April 6th, 1891 - June 30th, 1891 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2048/IMG_9637_0.jpg)
From Mare Island, California to Shoalwater Pass,  Alaska

49. July 1st, 1891 - Sep 30th, 1891 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2049/IMG_9733_0.jpg)
From Shoalwater Pass, Alaska to Departure Bay, British Columbia

50. January 1st, 1892 - March 31st, 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2050/IMG_9836_0.jpg)
In Mare Island, California all the time (Does not appear to come up for transcription)

51. Oct 1st, 1891 - Dec 31st, 1891 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2051/IMG_9488_0.jpg)
From Departure Bay, British Columbia to Mare Island, California

52. April 1st, 1892 - June 30th, 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2052/IMG_9588_0.jpg)
From Mare Island, California to Conclusion Harbor

53. July 1st, 1892 - Sep 30th, 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2053/IMG_9688_0.jpg)
From Conclusion Harbor to Departure Bay, British Columbia

54. Oct 1st, 1892 - Dec 31st, 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2054/IMG_9788_0.jpg)
From Departure Bay, British Columbia to San Francisco, California

55. January 1st, 1893 - March 31st, 1893 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2055/IMG_9892_1.jpg)
In San Francisco for all three months

56. April 1st, 1893 - June 30th, 1893 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2056/IMG_9991_0.jpg)
From Mare Island, California to Unknown due to inability to access final pages of log (Does not come up for transcription)

72. January 1, 1918 - March 31, 1918 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2072/IMG_8110_1.jpg)
In port in Seattle (Only Jan 1st - Jan 18th actually come up for transcription)

75. April 1st, 1897 - June 30th, 1897 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2075/IMG_1983_1.jpg)
From San Francisco to Gilmer Bay, Sitka, Alaska

76. July 1st, 1897 - September 30th, 1897 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2076/IMG_2085_1.jpg)
DUPLICATE of 78

77. October 1st, 1897 - December 31st, 1897 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2077/IMG_2188_1.jpg)
DUPLICATE of 79 (does not come up for transcription)

78. July 1st, 1897 - September 30th, 1897 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2078/IMG_2290_1.jpg)

79. October 1st, 1897 - December 31st, 1897 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2079/IMG_2392_1.jpg)

80. January 1st - March 31st 1898 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2080/IMG_2495_1.jpg)

81. April 1st - June 30th 1898 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2081/IMG_2595_1.jpg)

82. April 1st - September 30th 1899 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2082/IMG_2698_0.jpg)

83. October 31st - December 31st 1898 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2083/IMG_2800_1.jpg)

84. July 1st - September 30th 1898 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2084/IMG_2902_0.jpg)

85. January 1st - March 31st 1899 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2085/IMG_3006_1.jpg)

86. October 1st - December 31st 1899 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2086/IMG_3107_1.jpg)
DUPLICATE OF 88 (does not come up for transcription)

87. April 1st - June 30th 1900 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2087/IMG_3209_1.jpg)

88. October 1st - December 31st 1899 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2088/IMG_3309_1.jpg)

89. July 1st 1900 - September 30th 1900 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2089/IMG_3412_1.jpg)
(does not come up for transcription although it should)

94. January 1st 1893 - March 31st 1893
DUPLICATE OF 55

96. July 1st 1893 - September 30th 1893 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2096/IMG_0092_1.jpg)

97. October 1st 1893 - December 31st 1893 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2097/IMG_0191_1.jpg)

98. January 1st 1894 - March 31st 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2098/IMG_0291_1.jpg)

99. April 1st 1894 - June 30th 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2099/IMG_0393_1.jpg)

100. July 1st 1894 - September 30th 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20100/IMG_0501_1.jpg)

101. October 1st 1894 - December 31st 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20101/IMG_0600_1.jpg)

102. January 1st 1895 - March 31st 1895 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20102/IMG_0702_1.jpg)

103. April 1st 1895 - June 30th 1895 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20103/IMG_0802_1.jpg)

104. July 1st 1895 - September 30th 1895 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20104/IMG_0903_1.jpg)

105. October 1st 1895 - December 31st 1895 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20105/IMG_1005_1.jpg)

107. January 1st 1896 - March 31st 1896 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20107/IMG_1224_1.jpg)

108. April 1st 1896 - June 30th 1896 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20108/IMG_1328_1.jpg)

109. July 1st 1896 - September 30th 1896 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20109/IMG_1434_1.jpg)

110. October 1st 1896 - December 31st 1896 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20110/IMG_1536_1.jpg)

112. April 1st - 22nd 1897 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20112/IMG_1763_1.jpg) and April 1st  - June 30th 1900
DUPLICATE OF PART OF 75 AND ALL OF 87

113. January 1st 1900 - March 31st 1900 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20113/IMG_3613_1.jpg)
Also contains 26th Feb - 31 Mar 1892, which must be transcribed as well.

114. April 1st 1901 - June 30th 1901 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20114/IMG_3520_1.jpg)

115. October 1st 1900 - December 31st 1900 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20115/IMG_3621_1.jpg)

116. July 1st 1901 - September 30th 1901 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20116/IMG_3722_1.jpg)

117. October 1st 1901 - December 31st 1901 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20117/IMG_3821_1.jpg)

118. May 26th 1902 - June 30th 1902 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20118/IMG_3921_1.jpg)

119. July 1st 1902 - September 30th 1902 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20119/IMG_3964_1.jpg)

120. October 1st 1902 - December 31st 1902 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20120/IMG_4066_1.jpg)

121. January 1st - 24th 1903 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20121/IMG_4167_1.jpg)

122. April 1st 1903 - June 30th 1903 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20122/IMG_4199_1.jpg)

123. July 1st 1903 - September 30th 1903 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20123/IMG_4288_1.jpg)

124. October 1st 1903 - December 31st 1903 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20124/IMG_4388_1.jpg)

125. January 1st 1904 - March 31st 1904 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20125/IMG_4489_1.jpg)

126. April 1st 1904 - June 30th 1904 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20126/IMG_4589_1.jpg)

127. July 1st 1904 - September 30th 1904 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20127/IMG_4691_1.jpg)

128. October 1st 1904 - December 31st 1904 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20128/IMG_4792_1.jpg)

129. January 1st 1905 - March 31st 1905 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20129/IMG_4892_1.jpg)

130. April 1st 1905 - June 30th 1905 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20130/IMG_4991_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 29 August 2013, 12:54:02
How would you record the 8:00 am entry on this? http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2013/IMG_6337_0.jpg

There are two time entries in the box - 8:00 and 8:30, with the 8:30 above the 8:00

I'm counting one entry for 8:30 with wind from the SW at a speed of 1 - nothing else

The second entry is all the wind direction of ", speed of 1 and all the other info on the line

Seem right?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 29 August 2013, 13:01:35
Seems perfect.  If they were doing "Hydrography" they may have asked for a second wind reading for mechanical reasons after the 8am reading had been recorded.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 29 August 2013, 13:25:14
They tend to put in extra in-between the hour readings for ship direction, but not normally for weather, so they're easy to ignore.

I also think this was one of those instances where I was fighting the desire to clear up what was written there. - technically, the quote mark at 8:00 means the (later) 8:30 wind direction was repeated earlier in the day, which kinda makes no sense from the way I understand space/time to work.  But whether it means that 8:00's wind was from the SW or NW is probably not very important, and is something that somebody else can deal with if it is.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 29 August 2013, 13:37:54
The whole point of TWYS even their errors and stupidities is to preserve the historic record.

It doesn't make the log keepers any less erroneous or apt to stupidities.  ::)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 30 August 2013, 10:32:19
For anyone using or parsing this data:

It appears that on September 28, 1913 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2013/IMG_6346_0.jpg), the wet bulb thermometer was broken and replaced with a new one.

I suppose theoretically, that should not matter.  But given that it's 1913, and I have no idea how precise instrumentation was back then, it may make a difference in the readings.

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 10 September 2013, 17:58:55
Quite the drop in air pressure on Dec 4 2013 in Honolulu

Dec 3: 29.99 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6428_0.jpg)

Dec 4: 21.99 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6429_0.jpg)

Dec 4: 29.96 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6430_0.jpg)

Recorded as written in the logs - though there are no mentions of adverse effects of this one-day pressure plunge
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 10 September 2013, 20:15:49
Perhaps they were too light headed to comment?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 11 September 2013, 03:04:53
 ::)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 11 September 2013, 04:57:52
Weird - they are working on Centigrade and Fahrenheit.... :o
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 11 September 2013, 13:13:11
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6435_1.jpg

Most of the stuff they take on board makes sense.

But 2 bales of Waste?!?  :o

The Patterson is not a garbage scow.....
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 11 September 2013, 13:50:37
This makes total sense to me, given the context of the whole list, which also contains 2 bales Sanitary rags.  Engineers need to mop up oily messes from spills and leaks, and their sponges can't be easily cleaned and reused.  So they buy rags.  Ultra-cheap cloth or fiber scrap of any kind, probably for soaking up floor puddles, and some decent clean rags for cleaning instruments and important stuff.

I might note, I worked for 9 years in a factory that made all kinds of felt, and the selvage, trimmings, and broken loose fibers we collected from the wool felt lines especially filled a couple of big trash gondolas every shift.  That is after we sent the good stuff back to the warehouse to grind up and feed back into the next days products as "recycled fiber".  If a ship chandler's buyer had come in and asked to keep all other garbage out of those gondolas, and then they'd pay us a few pennies a pound and haul it out (instead of us paying the garbage pickup for the same service, I promise you that there would be all kinds of supervisors policing what went into those containers.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 11 September 2013, 14:04:10
I kinda thought the same thing.

But to call it just "Waste?"  Sounds like they're taking bales of garbage on board
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 11 September 2013, 15:42:20
Within the fiber industry, 'waste' is actually a technical term.  All fiber that goes through cloth/felt making comes out with some damage to each individual fiber.  They are still very usable, but get classed as "recycled" so no operator makes the mistake of thinking it can make up too large a percentage of the next production lot.

Any and all of what falls out of that recycled stuff as it gets fed in sustains further damage to each individual fiber, and if they attempt to recycle it a second time, at least 90% of it will fall out resulting in wasted labor hours and much more difficult clean-up, and weaker fabric - the amount of fiber gets weighed before feeding it in, so the fabric will end up with too little to meet specifications.  Much trouble with no material savings.  So it gets classed as 'waste'.  Some of it may actually be defective woven product that already contains a high recycled percentage.

Note:  "Waste", "Rags" and "Sanitary Rags" are 3 different classes.  "Rags" are all whole cloth of reasonable size, but not necessarily clean enough to clean furniture.  "Sanitary" is a slight exaggeration, they have been laundered but I wouldn't use them as bandages on open wounds.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 11 September 2013, 16:25:10
Mini-mutiny on the Patterson!  21 December, 1913 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6446_0.jpg)

Quote
The following members of the crew failed to return to the ship at 1:00 PM, the time set for sailing:
B Ramberg, Bswain
Andrew Anderson, BM 1 Cl
RC Lawton, M at A
C Bendfeldt, QM 2" Cl
Otto Amelang, Fire 1" Cl
Thos Linday, Fire 1" Cl
W Stahl sea
Liberty had been granted until Noon.  Delayed sailing 15 min after time set.  Inquiry showed that the men knew, beyond doubt, the time set for sailing and it appears that they deliberately and intentionally remained away at sailing time.  Pending further action, the pay and rations of the above men were stopped
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 15 September 2013, 20:14:03
When I was a kid I read all my dad's old Hardy Boys and Tom Swift books (the early series published in the teens and twenties). It was all chums and cotton waste. Which puzzled me at the time as I only knew chum as a kind of fish bait and waste as, well, waste. But apparently its an old term for clean-up material. And here's everything you could want to know if so compelled:

COTTON WASTE: ITS PRODUCTION, MANIPULATION AND USES
BY THOMAS T. HORNLEY (1912)

FOR SIXTEEN YEARS HEAD OF THE SPINNING DEPARTMENT AT THE TECHNICAL SCHOOL, BOLTON; AUTHOR OF "COTTON COMBING MACHINES," "COTTON SPINNING" (1ST YEAR, 2ND YEAR, AND HONOURS), ETC.; WITH SIXTY ILLUSTRATIONS

http://archive.org/stream/cottonwasteitspr00thorrich/cottonwasteitspr00thorrich_djvu.txt
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 15 September 2013, 20:42:58
Cotton is the ONLY fiber waste I have never seen - because of health hazards to workers breathing in cotton dust, it was the one fiber we refused to put in our warehouses, be it new, rags or waste. :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 17 September 2013, 16:27:54
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2015%20-%20April%201%20-%20June%2030,%201914/IMG_6501_0.jpg

On May 2, 1914, the record keeper of the Patterson appears to have switched to Celsius for the "Ther Attached" reading for the last 3 hours of the log.

This is not continued on subsequent days and there is no indication of a change in thermometer in the comments section.

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 September 2013, 17:00:19
Well, this is the kind of switch which will get the analyzer's attention but should be self-explanatory.  TWYS of course.  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 24 September 2013, 13:34:05
From what I can gather, the Patterson has gone help out the Steamer Yukon that seems to be stranded in Goodnews Bay Alaska (not a goodnews place for the Yukon, it seems).  They had a number of officers were on board as passenger, they brought supplies and rations in for the ship, they had engineering staff helping in the Yukon's engine room, etc.

Anyways,

On June 11, they noted that they had sent in 16 tons of coal for the Yukon.  Should I record this as -16 Tons in the refueling section (as this was not coal the Patterson burned), or just put it under events?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2015%20-%20April%201%20-%20June%2030,%201914/IMG_6545_0.jpg

My inclination is to put it in the refueling section
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 September 2013, 13:49:55
It's a weird case. I'd be inclined to use events, but others may disagree. It's up to you ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 25 September 2013, 16:38:00
Doesn't seem to be addressed (or at least not easily findable) in the FAQ thingy.

Patterson logkeepers have started entering some readings as 6.- (not 6.0). (eg. see the last entries on http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2015%20-%20April%201%20-%20June%2030,%201914/IMG_6553_0.jpg)

I am entering these as written.

Is that ok?

I think that is the best way to do it.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 25 September 2013, 16:45:45
From what I can gather, the Patterson has gone help out the Steamer Yukon that seems to be stranded in Goodnews Bay Alaska (not a goodnews place for the Yukon, it seems).  They had a number of officers were on board as passenger, they brought supplies and rations in for the ship, they had engineering staff helping in the Yukon's engine room, etc.

Anyways,

On June 11, they noted that they had sent in 16 tons of coal for the Yukon.  Should I record this as -16 Tons in the refueling section (as this was not coal the Patterson burned), or just put it under events?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2015%20-%20April%201%20-%20June%2030,%201914/IMG_6545_0.jpg

My inclination is to put it in the refueling section

That one can be Transcriber's Choice.  I tend to look at it as a negative refueling.  But it is also an event.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 03 October 2013, 18:28:53
The Patterson gets around.

We met up with the Albatross today (July 28, 1914)

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2016/IMG_6601_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 03 October 2013, 18:39:27
It's a small world ocean! ;) 8)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Zovacor on 16 October 2013, 00:14:42
OK. Moving from the Yukon to Patterson. 

In case others have a hard time reading it, the ship is currently in Talcahuano, Chile. Took me 3 logs to finally tease out the handwriting.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 October 2013, 09:28:38
Zovacor
welcome to the top 12 !

 ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 16 October 2013, 10:12:00
welcome aboard!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 16 October 2013, 18:34:13
A bad morning at sea:

Quote
At 7:25 Launch #38 left ship with cutter & whaleboat in tow.  Launch broke down & anchored - boats got adrift - sent motor dory out to pick them up. Dory launch broke down.  Launch 38 returned to ship - sent Launch 38 after other boats.  Launch 38 broke down soon after picking up the motor dory, but finally managed to get all boats to the Str Yukon.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2016/IMG_6652_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 October 2013, 18:59:54
 :o
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Zovacor on 16 October 2013, 19:24:02
Sounds like my first scuba dive.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 16 October 2013, 19:36:09
One of those days when you wish you'd never gotten out of bed.   ::)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 October 2013, 18:30:29
The sinking of the USRC Tahoma & The Patterson's role in her rescue - asterix135 (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4004.msg75751#msg75751)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 20 October 2013, 16:54:50
asterix135 passes the 25,000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 23 October 2013, 16:55:14
I just came across these photos of the Patterson in dry dock in Honolulu in 1913.

She entered the Inter-Island Steamship Co's floating dry dock on Dec 1, 1913 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6426_1.jpg), and was released from confinement on Dec 6, 1913 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6431_1.jpg)

Nice inlay work on the bow...

(http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/1213008308.jpg)

(http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/1213008309.jpg)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 23 October 2013, 17:27:48
There appear to be some kind of internet gremlins at work here.

They are showing up sporadically for me - they showed up when I previewed.

Anyways, if they don't show up the links are:

http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/1213008308.jpg

http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/1213008309.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 23 October 2013, 19:34:57
Excessively odd gremlins - if i right-click your failed embedded clicks and choose "show image in new tab", the picture is good.  Great pics by the way.  I simply embed them in this post, even the preview fails.   :(
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 31 October 2013, 15:02:01
There appear to be some kind of internet gremlins at work here.

They are showing up sporadically for me - they showed up when I previewed.

Anyways, if they don't show up the links are:

http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/1213008308.jpg

http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/1213008309.jpg

I just had the same problem with a link Caro posted.
When I looked at the post, nothing showed up. When I quoted the post, I could see the URL. When I pasted the URL into the address field in another tab, the image showed up.
THEN, when I looked at the original post, the image had become visible!
 ::)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 31 October 2013, 18:28:57
Definitely spooky!

(http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/10172/cat_on_a_crescent_moon_animal-emoticon-0066.gif)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 04 November 2013, 10:37:19
Reference to discussion about corrected log entries.

Affects Feb 1 and 2 1915 (and maybe some later ones??)

http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4014.0
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 11 November 2013, 16:52:21
Dealing with a crew member who contracted scarlet fever:

01/10/1915 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2019/IMG_6888_1.jpg) - Olsen, Bos'n Mate who had been brought aboard for medical treatment was found by Dr's diagnosis to have scarlet fever.  Immediate attention was given to having him put in a tent isolated from the balance of the camp.  What outfit he wanted recd was put in tent with him.  What outfit he had had before any danger of infection was packed and put away.  The Surgeon went ashore to stay in camp while ship was away to look out for him and also to look out for danger of contagion

05/10/1915 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2019/IMG_6892_1.jpg) - Officers from camp reported aboard.  Surgeon reported that Olsen had commenced scaling.  Details were worked out for bringing him aboard and maintaining quarantine.

06/10/1915 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2019/IMG_6893_1.jpg) - The brig-room forward of crews toilets port side was connected with forward port toilet by means of a canvas passageway.  This passage way was made as tight as possible with white bead and paste, the toilet was caulked and pasted up so as to make the brig, toilet & passageway an air tight compartment.  Olsen was put in this compartment.  The instruction of the Surgeon is to maintain this strict quarantine until ship is cleared in Seattle.  The compartment is equipped with a window in the canvas.  Window has a flap on inside and outside.  outside flap is locked - one key to lock is held by CO other is held by Surgeon.  The canvas can be knocked down very quickly in case of necessity such as abandon ship.  The hut in which Olsen was isolated ashore together with all his bedding, cot, etc were burned.  The source of infection was suspected to be magazines which had come from Unga.  While the surgeon was ashore, all these were burned by his orders.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: studentforever on 11 November 2013, 17:48:51
Scarlet Fever was much feared and when I was a child had a compulsory stay of 3 weeks in an isolation hospital. Parents might speak to child patients through the (closed) window for an hour on Wednesdays and Sundays (standing out in the open whatever the weather). When the child had been taken away in a special ambulance the house was 'stoved', which since I was in hospital I did not witness, but which was something like the procedure for sterilising a greenhouse.  Our clothes and any suitable toys we had in hospital were stoved before we left for home.

A big problem with Scarlet Fever was its propensity to cause kidney and heart problems after the acute infection.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 13 November 2013, 03:27:58
asterix135 passes the 30,000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 13 November 2013, 03:30:18
Hello there AvastMH, glad to see you have time to do a bit of transcribing again! ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 13 November 2013, 04:35:16
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeha!  It's good to be back! ;)

Well done Asterix - fab job! Amazing!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 21 November 2013, 16:53:44
I just googled some images of Little Koniuji island (where the Patterson was recently in my transcription) and the second image that popped up was a base station used for hydrographic operations

Probably a little more sophisticated than what the Patterson was building out of scrounged driftwood in 1915, but interesting (to me) nonetheless:

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3653/3666328474_6aeba359d1_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 21 November 2013, 17:13:31
 8)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: T-M on 22 November 2013, 15:46:57
On July 19, 1911, two triangulation points are mentioned.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%203/IMG_5119_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%203/IMG_5119_1.jpg

I found both in the NGS database:

Triangulation station Patton: http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/ds_mark.prl?PidBox=UW0293

Triangulation station Thin: http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/ds_mark.prl?PidBox=UW0368

Both are noted as monumented by WEP (W. E. Parker, commanding officer of the Patterson) in 1911.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 22 November 2013, 16:23:35
 :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 22 November 2013, 16:28:22
How'd you even find that?

That database might be very helpful as there are a number of triangulation points in the log that (for me) fell into the "guess aggresively" category
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 25 November 2013, 15:55:53
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 03 December 2013, 11:20:54
For May 4 and May 5 1915, the weather reports have been switched (i.e. May 5th's entries on the page dated May 4th & vice versa).

There is a note in the log for each day indicating that this is the case.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2021/IMG_7133_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2021/IMG_7134_0.jpg

SO

I'm guessing I should date the log book pages with the date of the weather entries and not the date indicated at the top of the log page?

The ship is in the same location both days and there is nothing particularly important or interesting on the comments page (they're in Port Discovery getting fumigated), so it probably won't matter for those entries, and is probably more important to have the correct date associated with the weather entries.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 December 2013, 12:35:39
That seems reasonable to me.

Perhaps you could transcribe the notes about the dates in the log as events?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 03 December 2013, 12:45:13
That seems reasonable to me.

Perhaps you could transcribe the notes about the dates in the log as events?

brilliant - done

I enclosed both the recorded date and the note about the actual date in the box where I recorded the date as well
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 03 December 2013, 13:31:55
Perfect.  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 04 December 2013, 14:27:36
GOOD MORNING EVERYONE!!!

May 30, 1915 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2021/IMG_7163_1.jpg)

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2:04 (am)  Barge loaded with dynamite moored about 2000 ft from ship blows up.  Windows in wheel house shattered

Details on the explosion - apparently a German plot related to WWI:  http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&file_id=1503

and

http://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2013/02/chs-retake-may-30-1915-a-booming-day-in-volunteer-park/

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 04 December 2013, 14:36:39
More details:

(http://www.historylink.org/db_images/req096c.JPG)(http://www.historylink.org/db_images/req096a.JPG)
(http://www.historylink.org/db_images/req096b.JPG)(http://www.historylink.org/db_images/req096d.JPG)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 04 December 2013, 15:09:43
Fascinating!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 04 December 2013, 16:43:05
Now THAT is an effective wake-up call!  Nasty fishees, to let themselves be suborned by the enemy.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 06 December 2013, 11:35:08
June 24, 1915 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2021/IMG_7192_0.jpg)

At 3 pm the "Ther Attached" reading changes from Fahrenheit to Celsius.  No mention is made of a change of instrumentation, though the change of scale is noted.  Celsius continues from this point forward

(cross-posted to the "Barometers, Instrumentation and Specifications by Ship - Phase 3" thread)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 06 December 2013, 12:58:27
June 27, 1915 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2021/IMG_7197_0.jpg)

The page indicates that the weather reports listed are for June 26th.  The entries more or less match the entries on the previous log page, with a couple of small differences. (there is no indication on the 26th (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2021/IMG_7198_0.jpg) that incorrect data was entered on that date)

I'm transcribing the log for 27th as follows: date recorded 2x - once as 27/06/1915, once as 26/06/1915

All weather data listed on the 27th log entry transcribed.  As I said, there are a couple of minor differences (8 pm for example), and will therefore leave it to smarter people than myself to figure out how to deal with this confusion.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 06 December 2013, 14:22:23
Sounds good to me.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 13 December 2013, 11:45:29
The log keeper seems confused

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Anchored with 40 fms chain on starboard anchor.  Where?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2023/IMG_7334_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 13 December 2013, 11:52:19
Perhaps a later reader added that comment :-\
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 13 December 2013, 11:53:27
Perhaps a later reader added that comment :-\

Well, given the different writing instruments - pretty clearly yes.  Still it's a funny.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 22 December 2013, 15:57:41
Zovacor passes the 500 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Zovacor on 26 December 2013, 19:11:04
Oh, hey. Look at that. Thanks. If I could only finish this logbook I'm working on. It looked like only a few pages left, but every time I flip the page, theres more there...
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 26 December 2013, 22:09:28
Oh, hey. Look at that. Thanks. If I could only finish this logbook I'm working on. It looked like only a few pages left, but every time I flip the page, theres more there...

If you want to know more about each of the logbooks (like when they end). I created a handy cheat sheet

http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg72433#msg72433
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 02 January 2014, 16:29:18
Zovacor passes the 1000 mark!

 ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 02 January 2014, 18:19:11
Wooohoooo! Go Zovacor!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 07 January 2014, 12:32:57
It must have been quite the Fourth of July party in Wrangell Alaska in 1916.  Because the next day we get:

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Wm. J. Clary, Sea, discharged at own request (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2024/IMG_7435_0.jpg)

And more tellingly:
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Saarela, M at A returned at noon unfit for duty.
Nichols, Smith Anderson, Sea, unfit for duty
Sea Wilson returned at noon, 5 hours overdue
7:00 pm Anderson & Smith, sea, left ship without permission in shore boat
During night, Wilson & Eastwood, sea, left in shore boat with evident intention to desert (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2024/IMG_7435_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 07 January 2014, 13:19:45
That tells a story, doesn't it?  I'm amazed at the speed of turnover of crews on these US ships, compared to the RN ones.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 07 January 2014, 13:27:39
All non-officers are civilian on Survey vessels.  And past a certain point (not sure when) so were all the officers.  They started out with navy officers, but ran into problems when surveying some foreign harbors - the navy personnel were treated as spies unwelcome to conduct the survey.

I think the consequences of breaking a payment contract are considerably less than breaking a sworn oath to the military.  It still makes me wonder how they kept functioning.  Are there that many sailors hanging around every harbor to be hired as replacements?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 07 January 2014, 14:13:44
Yes, I thought it was probably something to do with the civilian/military distinction.  But I've also wondered how they always seem to be able to pick up someone new - perhaps there's just a constantly revolving pool of men, signing on one ship, leaving it if they get fed up or they dock in what looks like a nice place; and then signing on again when they run out of money or discover it's not as good as it looked?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 07 January 2014, 14:36:28
They do seem to be able to pick up men pretty readily, and don't seem averse to firing them after one drunken escapade (at least that's all that's recorded - they could have been miserable jerks and drunkenness was just an excuse).

And the 4th of July hangovers continue:

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Following men did not turn to this day: - Nichols Smith Anderson, Jensen, Nelson, PM, Pecor, PM (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2024/IMG_7436_0.jpg)

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Eastwood & Wilson, Sea, absent without leave
Smith, Sea, returned at noon unfit for duty
Anderson, sea, returned at noon unfit for duty
Jensen, sea, unfit for duty
1:30, Nelson, Jensen, Anderson, sea, jumped ship taking dingey without leave
Nichols, sea, unfit for duty
P.M. Pecor, Sea, refused duty on being refused discharge
10:00 pm Anderson, sea, returned
Mid: Jensen, Nelson, Eastwood, sea, returned drunk and disorderly.  Sent ashore (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2024/IMG_7436_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 08 January 2014, 14:17:59
Well, maybe they always don't have an easy time finding replacement crew.

After that couple of days of insurrection, in which 2 crew members deserted, 3 were fired for drunkenness and one for insubordination, the Patterson went to Ketchikan and was unable to find any replacement sailors

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2024/IMG_7440_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 08 January 2014, 14:21:51
Actually, I remember that happening on Pioneer too - although I don't think they'd lost crew in quite such dramatic circumstances as on Patterson.  But there was certainly a log entry about going out looking for men and drawing a blank.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Zovacor on 09 January 2014, 22:55:58
The log from 1885 is done! (I assume I'm pulling up the rear of the 3 transcriptions). On to 1/1/11 (has a good ring to it).
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 09 January 2014, 23:39:31
 ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 10 January 2014, 03:56:38
Happy New Year!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 10 January 2014, 04:57:58
The log from 1885 is done! (I assume I'm pulling up the rear of the 3 transcriptions). On to 1/1/11 (has a good ring to it).

Actually you are ahead of me Zovacor  ;) :D
I'm just doing 5th Jan 1885! ( 8))
Best,
Joan
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 10 January 2014, 10:11:43
Great job crew!

Though if Joan keeps slacking off we'll have to call her up before the mast.....
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Zovacor on 11 January 2014, 17:56:04
So where did the Patterson go between 1885 and 1911? Navalhistory.net doesn't say either. Are those logs still being scanned?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 11 January 2014, 18:12:58
From http://www.history.noaa.gov/stories_tales/patterson.html and http://www.naval-history.net/OWShips-USCSurveyShipsList.htm#Pat it sounds like Alaska, West Coast, and Hawaiian islands :-\

They may simply be out of order :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 11 January 2014, 18:22:11
For the longer voyages, the scanner operators were also, as the NARA side of the job, identifying books that had deteriorated and needed preserving.  These were pulled out and sent to the NARA preservation department, and the scanners then went on scanning whatever came after that.  The now-preserved books were reinserted whenever the lab sent them back.

The bad news is, this disruption to proper order happens.  The good news is, we will never get scans that are so faded we can't read them in the interface.   :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 14 January 2014, 14:36:34
It doesn't look like working at the canneries in Alaska was all that safe a job:

17 Aug 1916 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2024/IMG_7478_1.jpg)

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1:00 PM Cannery Tender "Mary Malony" came alongside for medical assistance, 5 fisherman: Peter Johnson, Henry Brown, Thomas Jackson, Charles Mendell, John Jackson (Natives of Wrangell) having been asphyxiated by gasoline fumes.  Officers & crew of this vessel promptly rendered all aid possible; usual resuscitation methods under direction of Surgeon Marchand. 

1:45 Comdg Officer detailed Surgeon, Ch Eng and 11 men to proceed to Wrangell on Mary Malony continuing resuscitation efforts enroute.  Warelessed Hospital at Wrangell to be ready to receive stricken men. Ship proceeded up coast picking up Mr. Reese & party & Mr. Senior.  Sent #241 to notify other field parties to proceed to Lake Bay & await arrival of ship there.  Ship continued on usual courses to Wrangell, arriving there at 5:40 pm.  Surgeon reported aboard with relief party.  Two of stricken men (Charles Mendell, John Jackson) had been revived, other three dead.  Ship remained until after Inquest
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 January 2014, 14:54:50
Grim
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 14 January 2014, 17:29:02
August 22, 1916 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2024/IMG_7483_0.jpg)

The surface water temperature changes from Celsius to Fahrenheit on this date.  It looks like the thermometer must have been broken for the 4 am reading, as that entry is missing.  There is no mention in the logbook of a change in instrumentation.  Other readings remain in Celsius.

(cross-posted to the "Barometers, Instrumentation and Specifications by Ship - Phase 3" thread)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 15 January 2014, 12:18:53
Things are getting violent:

9 Sept 1916 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2024/IMG_7501_1.jpg)

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Knocked crew off early in afternoon
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 15 January 2014, 13:32:54
 ;D

Knocked totally off the ship, you think?  Like bowling pins?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 15 January 2014, 14:34:51
Just lucky they weren't bumped off ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 January 2014, 17:41:35
Zovacor passes the 1500 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 17 January 2014, 11:57:00
Just to clarify that I'm doing this right...

On this page: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7557_0.jpg

at the point where the Patterson sets sail, the log keeper suddenly starts recording a Fahrenheit temperature in the column where they've been recording wet bulb temperature (in Celsius) for quite a while.  And from previous and future log pages, I know that the Fahrenheit reading is used for surface water temperature.  (You'll also notice that the 4 am and 8 am readings are done as per normal - not like the records for the rest of this day)

So, I'm recording the Fahrenheit number in the surface column, and not the wet bulb column as TWYS would have me do.

ETA

Actually, I'm now officially confused about what to do - which maybe means I should revert to TWYS and let smarter people figure it out??

The next page: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7558_0.jpg has entries from 1-7 am with a celsius reading in that column.  From 5-7 they also specify a Fahrenheit reading specifically labeled surface temp.

Then from 8am - 8 pm that 2nd column is in Fahrenheit, and from 9pm - mid it's back to Celsius.

SO..

Does anyone know if it's easy to swap thermometers around in the devices they use for measuring these things, or is it more likely to be a case of column confusion by the logkeeper?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 January 2014, 12:56:32
That whole thing is so confusing, I'd stick with strict TWYS and ask the mods (me!) to tell Philip that the log keeper made a mess out of things that his analysts will have to figure out.   :-\

Consider the notice to Philip as done.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 17 January 2014, 13:09:01
Page recorded as normal while working in Alaska:  (1st col in F for surface temp, 2nd col in C for dry bulb, 3rd col in C for wet bulb)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7556_0.jpg

Pages under sail where they confuse what goes in what column
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7557_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7558_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7562_0.jpg

Pages under sail where they go back to the way they've been doing things the usual way:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7559_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7560_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7561_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7563_0.jpg

Pages in Seattle with confused recording
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7564_0.jpg

Note: as I go through these things, it's pretty clear that the F reading is always surface temp, they just have drunken logkeepers or something.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 January 2014, 13:10:20
(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_1822.gif)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 January 2014, 13:19:54
Also noted in Barometers, Instrumentation and Specifications by Ship - Phase 3  for reference by the PTB.
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3456.msg81344#msg81344

This is all way above mere transcribers pay grade. (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-gen081.gif)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 23 January 2014, 10:21:37
Dec 9, 1916 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7603_0.jpg)

Water temperature thermometer broken at 8 pm

(cross-posted to the "Barometers, Instrumentation and Specifications by Ship - Phase 3" thread)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 24 January 2014, 11:47:29
December 23, 1916 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7619_1.jpg)

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Decorating ship for Christmas Day

First time I've seen something like this in the logs - usually they just mark that the day was observed
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 24 January 2014, 12:02:20
I think someone plus the log keeper must have been feeling homesick that day.  They got the ship looking festive, and the log keeper appreciated the effort a lot.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 January 2014, 14:35:01
Jamestown 1866 didn't even mention Christmas.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 24 January 2014, 14:37:17
Neither did Jamestown 1879. It must run in the family.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: camiller on 24 January 2014, 17:31:07
Same with Jamestown, 1845!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 24 January 2014, 17:55:24
Pioneer, 1923 didn't either.  I think the Patterson is probably the exception!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 30 January 2014, 13:56:55
2 months before the US enters WWI (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2026/IMG_7673_1.jpg) and the war drums are sounding at port in Seattle:

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8:30 PM Boatswain put a padlock on gates behind which the Patterson is lying, quartermaster on watch retaining key, quartermaster given orders to allow no one outside of compliment aboard.  Orders issued by Comd'g Officer that permission to come aboard be refused to E. Padliugus, Sea; V. Thiel, Sea, O Jantsch, Sea, E Maassen, 2nd Asst Eng. and L. Wittenburg, 3rd Asst Eng because of their being German subjects.

Thiel and Padligus were discharged and paid off the following day (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2026/IMG_7674_0.jpg) as their service was "no longer required"

Maasen, Jantsch, Wittenburg and Luis Larsen were allowed back on board the next day (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2026/IMG_7674_1.jpg) as they all obtained their "intention papers" (which seems to be a first step in obtaining US citizenship)

And for good measure, the entire crew took an oath of Allegiance, with the Captain keeping copies
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 30 January 2014, 14:55:24
Continuing the war drums

On Feb 13 1917 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2026/IMG_7682_1.jpg), the USC&GS Superintendent had Maarsen, Wittenburg and Jantsch discharged anyways.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: camiller on 30 January 2014, 14:56:38
Interesting.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 30 January 2014, 18:26:09
German immigrants and their children made a very large minority in this country, most of them came here either before there was a German nation or to get away from the new German nation.  But they came from from a millennia of thinking of themselves as ethnically German but glad to be American now.  The 2 world wars had the large majority of them anglicizing their names and applying quickly for citizenship precisely to avoid these problems.  Judging their loyalty became very confusing. 
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 05 February 2014, 07:28:07
AvastMH
Welcome back !


 :-*
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 06 February 2014, 13:02:57
I just realized how depressing Seattle weather must be in the winter when a "b" showed up in the weather code column and I could not for the life of me figure out what that was - I don't think I'd seen one in the last 3 months of transcriptions.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 06 February 2014, 13:10:57
My mother lived in Seattle for a few years, and I visited there.  Two things amazed me - the forecasters actually were accurate, they really knew what was going to happen the next day - the confusing aspect of lake effect weather had never been clearer, and there were NO land elements messing with oncoming weather.  The other thing was, there was rain something like 6 days a week.  Gentle rain, not stormy, but it just never went away.

It gives you a temperate rain forest to visit.  ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 06 February 2014, 18:54:55
What saves us here in Seattle winter are what we call 'sun breaks' -- which we're having one today and the Mountain (Mt. Rainier) is OUT. And then it is sunny and 70 F from July to October...
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 06 February 2014, 20:24:05
I know, my Mom started out working for the Makah tribe for a year, and they were so sorry my vacation time had missed their only heat wave, they had gotten up over 80 F.  Since the Chicago I had just left was sweltering between 90 and 105 that week, I assured them their sweater weather in the 60s was a welcome treat. :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 07 February 2014, 15:17:59
Zovacor passes the 2000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 12 February 2014, 15:52:56
Lil' accident out there in Inian Cove, Alaska:

May 25, 1917 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2027/IMG_7795_1.jpg)
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Commenced operations for unshipping rudder.  Difficulty experienced as stock jammed in well.  Finally cut away deck at forward end of well, sufficiently to clear.  Unshipped rudder & landed on deck.  Rudder found to be split where it joins rudder post.  Upper gudgeon strap broken off, middle pintle sprung out of line, middle gudgeon cracked, lower pintle broken off, broken part remaining in lower gudgeon.  Heel of rudder crumpled by force of blow.  As near as could be ascertained by fact with long pipe, heel piece seems broker rough.  Temporary repairs begun.  Cleared up decks for day.

There's no report of any blow the previous day, so I'm guessing the blow came from unshipping the rudder?

The Patterson wound up being towed to Juneau for repairs
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 12 February 2014, 16:04:38
 :o
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 12 February 2014, 17:46:55
I don't know if the repair bill for this little accident used up all the ship's cash reserves or what, but on June 2, 1917 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2027/IMG_7803_0.jpg), 17 men are listed as "refused to turn to until paid off," and 9 of those men are listed as "requested discharge"

Or more specifically (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2027/IMG_7803_1.jpg),

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The entire crew, with the exception of the Bos'n, Ch Wr, Ch RO, Engineers and Mess Department, refused duty until they were paid off at 11:00 am for the month of May

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 12 February 2014, 18:29:00
A good old-fashioned sit-down strike.  Very possible when you fail to pay civilian sailors.  It's called breach of contract, on the part of the ship's management. 8)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 13 February 2014, 13:17:21
There may be something more going on than lack of cash on hand.  This is the same captain who had a bunch of crew members walk the summer of 1916 (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg80676#msg80676), and he's now got a bunch walking or trying to walk in 1917.

This quote from the log on June 4th, 1917 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2027/IMG_7807_1.jpg) gives the implication this is not the nicest ship to be working on.  Or maybe that the crew were a bunch of surly jerks - hard to say:

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Taylor, fireman called aft, complained that he had not had a square deal, said objected to being reprimanded for mistakes, claimed was "called down" for things he hadn't done.  Said he would work untill ship went out but that he wouldn't go to sea with her.  After mast he told chief Engineer that he refused to work and denied having said that he would turn to, and that he would "stick with the rest"
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Zovacor on 17 February 2014, 00:30:44
On to the third logbook (July 1, 1911 to Sept. 30, 1911).
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 17 February 2014, 08:00:13
On to the third logbook (July 1, 1911 to Sept. 30, 1911).


 :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 27 February 2014, 10:59:10
 :o
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 27 February 2014, 13:11:30
Ouch!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 27 February 2014, 14:36:28
sixtyq5
Welcome to the top 12 !
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 04 March 2014, 03:42:23
Zovacor passes the 2500 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 07 March 2014, 16:09:19
Somebody in the Liberty Loan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3rd_Liberty_Loan_Act) marketing department is a genius - set off a bunch of bombs at 5:05 am during wartime, seemingly without prior warning in order to announce the start of the program

(from the Patterson's log, April 6, 1918 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2031/IMG_7703_1.jpg))

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5:05 AM Considerable disturbance caused by series of explosions a mile or so distant.  Learned from naval intelligence by phone that disturbance caused by bombs announcing beginning of Liberty Loan drive.  Commanding officer and officer of deck investigated
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 07 March 2014, 16:12:34
Stupid is always around someplace - what happened to using simple fireworks?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 11 March 2014, 13:42:40
May 16, 1918 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2031/IMG_7776_1.jpg)

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Patterson & Explorer were this day officially transferred to the Navy by signing of Executive Order
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 11 March 2014, 14:51:34
War.

It gives the Navy total control of resources, and also of not sending civilians into bad places.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 11 March 2014, 14:54:11
And on May 23, 1918 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2031/IMG_7847_1.jpg), the Patterson gets her final USC&GS entry:

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From this day (inclusive) the Patterson and Explorer are under the U.S. Navy

John W. Maupin

(don't worry though - the log books continue back in time)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 12 March 2014, 04:09:47
I just finished the first log book for the Patterson, which ends Feb 5 1885 or so.

The next log book that comes up for the ship is from Jan 1, 1911 - Mar 31, 1911.

Is that a normal jump or does it matter if the log books are not in order chronologically?

It's taken me just over a year longer to get to this surprise jump!  ;D :o 8)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 March 2014, 08:27:28
Zovacor passes the 3000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Zovacor on 15 March 2014, 07:43:17
AvastMH- Prepare to be boarded!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 15 March 2014, 14:22:58
Aaarrgghhh!! Shiver me timbers! Avast me hearties! - Zovacor's coming alongside broadsides with her ports open eh? Cutlasses to the ready and prepare for boarding? No - we're carrying a precious load of guano - scuttle the ship!  ;D ;D ;D


That's great news Zovacor!!  It's been fun having new OW enthusiasts giving some of the older sea-dogs a good waking-up! ;D ;D ;D
(when are you going to catch Asterix.....hehehe!)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Zovacor on 15 March 2014, 21:52:08
Not exactly new (5298 OW classifications according to Zooniverse), just quiet in the forums.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 15 March 2014, 21:53:52
Whatever works.  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 March 2014, 03:47:28
 ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 16 March 2014, 05:28:41
3921:3129? Better get my skates on!!  :-[

Which world time zone are you in Zovacor? (Don't answer if you'd rather stay anonymous etc etc)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 20 March 2014, 15:27:06
asterix135 passes the 40,000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 20 March 2014, 17:27:29
What a Captain!  Go Asterix Go!! ;D ;D 8)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 21 March 2014, 15:09:39
AvastMH passes the 4000 mark!


 ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 21 March 2014, 16:33:02
Awww - geeee - thanks for noticing Admiral Randi  ;) ;) 8)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 30 March 2014, 17:57:07
Zovacor passes the 4000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 31 March 2014, 13:08:26
Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohooo!
Go Zovacor! Go Patterson!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 05 April 2014, 16:05:29
Zovacor passes the AvastMH mark!

Well done!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 05 April 2014, 16:16:15
Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohooo!
Go AvastMH! Go Zovacor! Go Patterson!


 ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 05 April 2014, 18:21:17
and if anyone has a loud haler big enough to get to Asterix... :o ;D ;D ;D


Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo asterixxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Zovacor on 18 April 2014, 23:23:27
There's something sort of mesmerizing staring at the X's scroll across the screen. Asterix, have you hit the final log yet?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 18 May 2014, 13:47:32
I'm on the Patterson at the end of Foulsom St Wharf in San Fran, Feb 1911. They just bought some window furnishings...then a day or two later they send back the door and 'port' curtains....wrong colour, wrong tassles, wrong finish on the fabric??  ;D ;D

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%202/IMG_5030_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 27 May 2014, 20:56:52
I just entered the weather from 2 Dec 1897 for USS Concord, and she noted in the Miscellaneous Events that CSS Patterson came in and anchored in the channel at 4 PM. (Mare Island Navy Yard.) I'm wondering if the Patterson recorded weather for that day or and successive days to Mare Island. It would be interesting to compare the readings!

Concord Weather 02 Dec 1897 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol023of040/vol023of040_010_0.jpg)

Michael
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 27 May 2014, 21:24:49
Well, I can't find anyone who commented on anything in 1897 on the Patterson yet, but there surely should be one sooner or later.  Her history says she never took any time off.  http://www.naval-history.net/OW-US/Patterson/USCGSS_Patterson.htm
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 08 June 2014, 14:41:38
AvastMH
Welcome back (again) !


 ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 13 June 2014, 05:46:47
Cheers m'dear! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 13 June 2014, 06:04:41
Fort Ross's wandering WHISTLING buoy seen...
http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=SFC19090214.2.209#

It's a funny newspaper article :o ;D
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
....Lighthouse Board Has Hopes Again of Recapturing Fort Ross Buoy

Automatic Whistler Escaped Last November and Has Scared Many Mariners

The lighthouse department is becoming seriously concerned over, the actions of a whistling buoy which escaped from Fort Ross last November and has been wandering about the Pacific ever since, whistling persistently and scaring mariners and seaguls with its appearance in unexpected places. The last vessel to encounter the wandering whistler was the steamer Queen, which left here Friday for San Diego. The Queen sent back word of the encounter by wireless, and a lighthouse tender has been dispatched to find and arrest the elusive fugitive....
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 13 June 2014, 07:43:57
That must be embarassing - and definitely funny.  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 13 June 2014, 08:04:15
Wonderful! The author of that article certainly had a sense of humor.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 13 June 2014, 13:55:57
Beautifully and very vividly written.  And the other stuff further down the article is interesting too.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 14 June 2014, 07:20:28
Buoys  will be buoys  ;D

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 June 2014, 07:55:27
 :P :P :P
 ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 June 2014, 03:16:47
Zovacor
Welcome back !
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 30 June 2014, 15:27:32
Hiya Zovacor - I thought I spotted your return the other day...welcome back!
Joan
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 30 June 2014, 15:29:40
A tidbit for whomever does the history on the Patterson:
The launches seem to take a real belting - being small and out much of the day on sounding duty: They get sent to:
http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=SFC19130326.2.136#
John Twigg's - he clearly prefers playing with smaller boats
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 30 June 2014, 15:32:59
 8)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 30 June 2014, 19:35:34
It sounds like they found the best boat builder in the area to keep theirs seaworthy.  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 August 2014, 15:39:02
Good work, Joan!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 03 August 2014, 20:01:41
back in harness! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 14 August 2014, 15:36:33
I've come to the Pattersonr until the OW problem with sending me to the wrong pages on the Concord is fixed. I am on board for March 08, 1911. It seems that the air temperatures are in degrees C! The max temperature observed was 14C and the minimum was 10.5. (In Fahrenheit that's 57/51). I looked up the historic temperatures for San Francisco for that date, and there were two stations reporting max/min temperatures for that day:

Considering that the daily max temperature is always as high or higher than the highest hourly reading, and the daily min temperature is always as low or lower than the lowest hourly reading, I think this is really neat.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 14 August 2014, 16:17:19
There still seem to be database issues. Just started on Patterson, and it looks like I have to go backwards to become a Lieutenant...

Cadet MAPurves

36 weather reports on 5 pages contributed to this voyage. -6 weather reports more for promotion to Lieutenant
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 August 2014, 17:04:10
I think that is an existing problem. :'(
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 August 2014, 04:34:02
MAPurves
Welcome to the top 12 !
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 August 2014, 04:34:32
tastiger
Welcome to the top 12 !
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 20 August 2014, 16:40:23
The first six reports (12 hours) of Patterson's weather for 25 July 1911 have the wind speed and dry bulb temperatures with identical values. I suspect that the person copied the wrong column when filling out the weather page. Usually some of the temperatures have a decimal point alone, or .0 or .5. None of these first six do.

A note for the science team.

15 July 1911 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%203/IMG_5125_0.jpg)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 26 August 2014, 18:18:02
Here is the weather for noon, Alaska time, 26 August 1911 from the Patterson:

Wind:        SE 1 (Beaufort)
Sky:         Overcast
Temperature: 11.0C  52F
Pressure:    29.97

Here is the weather for noon, Alaska Standard Time, 26 August 2014 from the U.S. National Weather Service - 103 years later.

Wind:        S 10 mph (Beaufort 3)
Sky:         Overcast   
Temperature: 58F  14.5C
Pressure:    29.95


Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 26 August 2014, 18:59:35
Incontrovertible evidence that the earth is warming  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 26 August 2014, 19:52:43
It's pretty obvious to me, too. Those numbers should stump the climate deniers for sure. Can't argue with arithmetic.  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 27 August 2014, 10:29:03
MAPurves passes the 500 mark!
MAPurves passes the 750 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 31 August 2014, 04:03:48
MAPurves passes the 1000 mark!
MAPurves passes the 1500 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 31 August 2014, 21:44:48
In Seattle, 30 April 1911, the weather observer is reporting H for haze, when he should be using m. h is for Hail.

Beaufort Coding Rules (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%204/IMG_5200_0.jpg)
Weather Log 30 April 1911 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%204/IMG_5230_0.jpg)
Remarks 30 April 1911 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%204/IMG_5230_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 31 August 2014, 23:41:43
Once you get this ship transcribed - errors and stupidities included - you might ask if you want to be the editor that can fix all this.  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 01 September 2014, 04:55:01
From http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3458.msg56129#msg56129:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7869_0.jpg
(Pioneer is also a Coast and Geodetic Survey Ship)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 01 September 2014, 13:04:27
Once you get this ship transcribed - errors and stupidities included - you might ask if you want to be the editor that can fix all this.  :)

Who knows how crazy I might be after all this! In any case, I'm just waiting until "they" fix the problem with me and the Concord so I will be sent to the correct pages when I try to transcribe her. I'm still being sent back to July 4, not August 2. In the meantime, I'm going to jump back on Patterson and sail from Seattle to Vancouver. If I could go back in time, I could run down to the harbour here and see her sailing by.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 01 September 2014, 14:31:49
The Patterson comes into Vancouver on May 5, 1991, and anchors just of the old CPR docks. Interestingly, she is anchored only a few feet from the old Vancouver PMO weather observing site. For 06 May 1911, Vancouver PMO reported:

Max: 12.2 C
Min:  4.4 C
Pcp:  1.0 mm

Patterson's highest temperature reported was 10.5C at 2 and again at 4 PM.
The lowest temperature she reported was 6.5C at 2, 4 and 6 A.M.
She also reported rain at 6 and 8 A.M.

I don't have any hourly weather reports from Vancouver PMO for that time (Environment Canada's hourly reports aren't digitized prior to about 1953).
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 September 2014, 08:54:26
MAPurves passes the 2000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 16 September 2014, 15:22:27
From the Patterson's log for June 14, 1911 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%204/IMG_5275_0.jpg) this depressing note:

A. Kaln~~d, Seaman attempted to commit suicide by jumping overboard but was prevented from doing so by Boatswain Ramberg and Assistant Janish.

Anyone who can read the name of the unfortunate seaman is welcome. I tried mightily, but can't decipher the last part of the name, except for the final 'd'.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 16 September 2014, 15:31:03
I think it's A. Kalnow. No d.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 16 September 2014, 15:37:52
From June 15, 1911 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%204/IMG_5276_0.jpg)

About 6:00 pm. Sea A. Kalvin made a second attempt to commit suicide by jumping overboard, through a port; was therefore put in irons.

The name was more clear this time...
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 16 September 2014, 15:39:51
Actually, I still think it's Kalnow. There's no dot for an i.
Plus, the first entry looks nothing like Kalvin.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 16 September 2014, 16:08:15
You're right, Hanibal... I'll change it.

M
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 19 September 2014, 04:14:22
MAPurves passes the 2500 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 24 September 2014, 17:06:13
Now that the database for the Concord is fixed, I'm jumping ship in Seattle and re-enlisting on the USS Concord. Gotta finish bringing peace, order and good government to the Philippines. There is a blue police call box on the dock and some guy promises me I can go from Oct 1911 in Seattle back to Manila in August 1898. We'll see...
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 24 September 2014, 17:20:02
:D

(http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww173/prestonjjrtr/Smileys/Doctor%20Who/TardisRevolving.gif)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 24 September 2014, 17:42:27
Stop!!! You're making me dizzy. Either that or it's the 81F with a humidity of 91%.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 24 September 2014, 18:16:54
I thought you were in Canada - what are you doing so muggy this late in September?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 13 November 2014, 08:12:11
It's just like old home week coming from the Pioneer because the log format is the same. However, I began to get autocompletion conflicts with the 1911 dates in Firefox. Fortunately I was able to delete all my autocomplete form history so that it will now only display form data history for ongoing entries. I find this handy because if I see that the date I am typing has already been entered I know there is a mistake - not that this ever happens to me.  ;D   Of course, I lost my place name history too but it was getting pretty cluttered.

Wouldn't you know it, though. I was hoping to get some time in the north after all these years surveying between Washington and California but the Patterson is now heading back to Seattle from Unalaska (for the winter I suppose). Sigh ...  :(
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 13 November 2014, 13:28:46
Wait til they get there Craig- the demon drink awaits and it all kicks off! :o ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 13 November 2014, 13:44:00
I know, Joan, I have a bottle beside me  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 13 November 2014, 14:01:59
Careful, now, Craig. Don't go getting too involved with the story  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 13 November 2014, 14:58:10
Put me in a long boat and wet me all over! I promise not to touch a drop, Joan  -   ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 14 November 2014, 07:54:47
This is just to let you know that I have gone back to the Jamestown 1879 in order to avoid causing leapfrogging on this ship.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 14 November 2014, 18:04:48
Put me in a long boat and wet me all over! I promise not to touch a drop, Joan  -   ;D

Ah Craig - my dad was in the navy so I know where the scuppers and the hose pipe are in case the worst happens. I'll even sing you the song...
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 15 November 2014, 04:23:10
Hanibal94
Welcome to the top 12 !
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 15 November 2014, 04:24:01
gastcra (Craig)
Welcome to the top 12 !
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 November 2014, 10:02:08
Hanibal94 passes the 250, 500, and 750 marks!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 November 2014, 10:03:55
gastcra (Craig) passes the 250 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 17 November 2014, 10:20:20
There's nothing like seeing the new crew hard at it... ;) ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 18 November 2014, 06:49:33
Thanks Joan - this ship is not an easy one because of the weird format!
I may be one of our most experienced veterans, and I did do over 12 years of this same format on the Pioneer, but that doesn't make it any easier.
And the fact that "Thermometer - Water" sometimes means Wet and sometimes means Water is really annoying - I think I got it wrong for around Apr 1st - 17th, 1912, where it was supposed to be Water but I entered it as Wet  :-[

So yeah, great to know that someone at least appreciates my work.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 18 November 2014, 13:40:41
Yeh - it is a mess!  ::) ;) :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 18 November 2014, 14:11:52
Thanks Joan - this ship is not an easy one because of the weird format!
I may be one of our most experienced veterans, and I did do over 12 years of this same format on the Pioneer, but that doesn't make it any easier.
And the fact that "Thermometer - Water" sometimes means Wet and sometimes means Water is really annoying - I think I got it wrong for around Apr 1st - 17th, 1912, where it was supposed to be Water but I entered it as Wet  :-[

So yeah, great to know that someone at least appreciates my work.

Actually...thinking about it - I don't recall the air/water problem. Have I missed something?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 18 November 2014, 14:23:58
Check this post, and the ones just before it, for details:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg64692#msg64692

I am currently (May 1912) transcribing the entries as Dry and Water, and I will continue to do this unless the log says otherwise.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 18 November 2014, 15:03:46
Phew-I haven't done 1912! Gosh I was in a panic about that.  :o

I'm still in 1911 with the weather page being used to note two car fares at 20 and 15 cents respectively and 10 cents for a wash (?!?). I guess, when you're in port, such things fill up a boring day.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 19 November 2014, 11:42:29
Hanibal94 passes the 1000, 2000 and 2500 marks!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 19 November 2014, 11:44:04
Zovacor passes the 5000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 19 November 2014, 16:42:53
AvastMH passes the 5000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 19 November 2014, 17:11:58
Thanks Randi.
It's very nice of you to patt-ers-on the back for the work. ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 19 November 2014, 17:29:18
 :P :P
 ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Zovacor on 20 November 2014, 00:52:46
Perhaps a race is on Avast. Perhaps I just wanted to get to 5,000. Who knows...
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 20 November 2014, 03:10:24
Just don't try racing against me. You will not win that.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 20 November 2014, 08:17:24
Yeh - I keep feeling 'various' winds, Force 7-ish, which is you two (Zovacor and Hanibal94) whistling past me!   :o
Pickling onions and making chutney and preparing chestnuts today....so you'll be able to sail up the listings with no trouble at all!  8);D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 23 November 2014, 04:36:16
Hanibal94 passes the 3000, 4000 and 5000 marks!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 23 November 2014, 08:23:36
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 23 November 2014, 08:54:32
That's a force 12 wind  ;D  Batten down the hatches.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 23 November 2014, 11:49:24
Hanibal94 passes the 3000, 4000 and 5000 marks!

Hanibal94 passes the 6000 mark!

...frankly this one's off the Beaufort scale. I'm lashed to the mast for safety! ;) ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 23 November 2014, 12:12:19
 ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 24 November 2014, 03:31:26
Maybe I should slow down a little before I get into trouble...

(https://derpicdn.net/img/view/2012/10/12/120620__safe_rainbow+dash_photo_human_pony_flying_spread+wings_ponies+in+real+life_frown_gritted+teeth.jpg)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 November 2014, 04:03:11
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 24 November 2014, 08:23:24
Something the science team should know: During the Patterson's Jan - Mar 1913 stay in Hawaii, the log keepers kept writing Molokai Island as Moloki.
For example: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2011/IMG_6062_0.jpg

I transcribed it as Moloki, because that's the way it was written.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 24 November 2014, 08:29:10
Anyone spot this one? In the blink of an eye  ;D

Hanibal94 passes the 7000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 November 2014, 08:39:43
(http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/080/3/f/rainbow_dash_dashing_by_vaporotem-d3c6mfl.gif)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 24 November 2014, 10:22:48
And I ain't even at top speed!

Mainly due to me transcribing 2305 WR in a single day (new personal record!)

...three months of weather reports in a single day?! And I thought I was fast when I occasionally managed to do a week's worth in an evening...
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 24 November 2014, 13:01:30
 ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 24 November 2014, 15:44:08
Hanibal - how do you do it?   Bionic fingers? Must be... 8) ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 24 November 2014, 15:49:44
Nope - just flesh and blood like you.
Much younger flesh and blood, that is.

But if I live long enough, perhaps I will get bionic fingers - Then I can overthrow Silvia and seize the throne for myself!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 November 2014, 15:52:22
I wasn't that fast when I was your age :'(
(I vaguely remember that time ;D)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: elizabeth on 24 November 2014, 15:53:28
Maybe I should slow down a little before I get into trouble...

(https://derpicdn.net/img/view/2012/10/12/120620__safe_rainbow+dash_photo_human_pony_flying_spread+wings_ponies+in+real+life_frown_gritted+teeth.jpg)
:D :D :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 24 November 2014, 18:06:27
Nope - just flesh and blood like you.
Much younger flesh and blood, that is.

But if I live long enough, perhaps I will get bionic fingers - Then I can overthrow Silvia and seize the throne for myself!
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 25 November 2014, 06:41:40
Since asterix135 is sadly no longer active, I have decided to take over and update his list of logs at http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg72433#msg72433.
There's quite a lot: after 1918, we'll have to deal with Feb 6th 1885 to December 31st 1890 - and these logs have 24 WR / day even when in port!

At least they're mostly in order - a bit of 1889 is missing, and the last two books are in the wrong order, but that's it.

Looks like I'll be here for quite some time.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 26 November 2014, 18:03:00

Hanibal94 passes the 9000 mark!

'What happened to the 8000 mark?' I hear you cry.  I blinked and did miss it ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 27 November 2014, 17:14:41
Hanibal94 passes the 10000 mark!

It takes me so long to send this message that I might as well go straight to 11000?! ;D

Sincerely.
Still Lashed To The Mast
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 27 November 2014, 17:20:08
 ;D
It gets a bit easier now. No more till 15,000 ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 27 November 2014, 17:21:02
Phew - thanks for that - it's exhausting! ;) ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 27 November 2014, 17:38:29
I think I might be slowing down for the next few days, though - just got distracted by an offer I could not refuse.... a Humble Pony Comic Bundle!

Quote from: Wikipedia
The Humble Bundles (previously known as Humble Indie Bundles) are a series of collections ("bundles") of digital creations that are sold and distributed online at a price determined by the purchaser. The bundles are typically offered on a semi-regular basis during a two-week period; sales often include bonus games or media offered mid-week through the sale for those that have already purchased the bundle or otherwise pay more than the average. Early bundles featured independently developed, multi-platform games (including Microsoft Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux platforms) provided without digital rights management (DRM). Later bundles have included those geared towards games from established developers, games for Android-based devices, bundles promoting game jams, and in three cases, a bundle consisting of mainstream titles from a major publisher. Sales of bundles are split between the developers/creators, the Humble Bundle operators, and one or more charities including Child's Play, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, charity: water, and the American Red Cross, with the buyer able to set the revenue split between these groups.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 28 November 2014, 06:10:02
Interesting :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on 29 November 2014, 14:25:42
Hello from Thetis 02 Feb 1889:

(http://kookabura.smugmug.com/photos/i-ZB486Vd/0/O/i-ZB486Vd.jpg)

Sent boarding officer to offer usual civilities to USCS Steamer Patterson.

We do not seem overly excited to see you though. I apologize for that.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol007of024/vol007_192_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 29 November 2014, 17:38:43
 ;D  Hi Kookaburra - nice to see you as we pass by! We were probably rather humble folk, given the illustrious nature of the life of the Thetis! At least we were more important than the distilling donkey boiler. ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 02 December 2014, 04:29:25
I must confess that I really, REALLY hate it when the log keeper puts water temperatures way on the left of the log book, for example:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2015%20-%20April%201%20-%20June%2030,%201914/IMG_6514_0.jpg

I just had to correct over 250 entries because I didn't notice the temps until the very end of the May 1914 Hawaii - Alaska trip. At least they only do it when at sea.
This is one ship I won't miss when my time on her is done!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 02 December 2014, 07:14:22
That is a pain.  :(
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 02 December 2014, 09:04:11
Jeepers Hanibal - thanks tons for posting this one - I'll keep an eagle eye out for that. They are a really maverick bunch. Just keep getting the feeling that the weather log etc is interrupting a good game of cards on the bridge. ::)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 02 December 2014, 09:54:13
I wonder if this crew came from one of the British armed trawlers?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 02 December 2014, 13:03:42
Oh - my lot have what seems to be quite a few Scandinavian names. So I sort of presumed it to be principally US citizens manning it around 1911. :-\
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on 02 December 2014, 13:11:43
Oh - my lot have what seems to be quite a few Scandinavian names. So I sort of presumed it to be principally US citizens manning it around 1911. :-\
There were A LOT of Scandinavian immigrants about that time to North America.  Many were experienced boatmen - maybe not as large at the USN ships but they knew life as sea as fishermen and boat builders.  A job where they could work in comfortable surroundings where language was not as critical was probably very appealing.  In later years it was relatively easy to get US citizenship if you were willing to enlist - may have even been part of the package in those days.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 02 December 2014, 13:43:21
Thanks Kookaburra. That confirms my thoughts - the sea-going vikings taking the stage again in history! interesting about the citizenship though -hadn't thought about that element of it! :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on 02 December 2014, 13:52:54
My grandparents were part of the sweep of citizens from Sweden to Canada, albeit a little bit later, so I have a patriarchal interest in that bit of history ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 02 December 2014, 14:02:07
Wow! I am in awe of those who upped stumps and travelled across the world to new languages and perhaps poor infrastructure to start new lives. Astonishing. :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 02 December 2014, 14:04:21
I've just stumbled into this the pages for this query ref: water/wet readings in 1912:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg64692#msg64692
This is to help me find my way back to Asterix's first-footing through the crazy maze that is the Patterson log...thanks Asterix.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 02 December 2014, 14:06:08
And for wind in wrong column:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg64723#msg64723
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 02 December 2014, 14:12:39
...
In later years it was relatively easy to get US citizenship if you were willing to enlist - may have even been part of the package in those days.

Definitely. 
Quote
https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/United_States_World_War_I_Naturalization_and_Citizenship
"Index to Naturalizations of World War I Soldiers, 1918" (NARA M1952)

Aliens serving in the U.S. military did not gain citizenship through service alone. The naturalization of soldiers was performed under certain provisions of nationality law facilitating the naturalization of members of the U.S. armed forces. These provisions waived the Declaration of Intention requirement and waived or reduced the residency requirement. Thus many soldiers filed petitions and were naturalized the same day.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 02 December 2014, 14:16:53
That's cool. 8) ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kookaburra on 02 December 2014, 14:19:45
Oh excellent bit of information!  That may explain a lot of our crew members :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 03 December 2014, 04:20:13
Question: Should the 8th weather reading on this page be transcribed with 8 am as the time, or 7.25 am?
I chose 7.25 am, but I'll go back and change it if necessary.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2016/IMG_6614_0.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 December 2014, 04:41:55
I suspect 7:25 is the time they anchored. The time and anchor symbol seem to be in a different ink from the weather data. My guess would be that the weather data was taken at 8:00.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 03 December 2014, 04:46:56
That makes sense - I changed it to 8 am. Thanks.

I've seen this oddity pop up a few more times, but it's always the same - next to an anchor symbol, and in a different ink.
Therefore, I shall stick to the regular 24 hour schedule.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 December 2014, 05:51:37
Thanks for noting that ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 December 2014, 06:28:19
Hanibal94 passes the 15,000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 03 December 2014, 10:54:52
I wonder if this crew came from one of the British armed trawlers?

Oh - my lot have what seems to be quite a few Scandinavian names. So I sort of presumed it to be principally US citizens manning it around 1911. :-\

Actually, I was joking - it was a reference to how terrible the crew of RN armed trawlers were at keeping their log books in order.
They tended to record very few incomplete readings per day, or none at all, and write all over the page rather than use the Events section.
I should have stuck an emoticon in to show it was a joke. Sorry.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 03 December 2014, 17:43:39
Hey - no problem at all Hanibal94! Understood completely :D.  The Patterson crew are clearly expert at being shambolic - perhaps they were taking trawlermen's record keeping classes on the quiet ;D.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 03 December 2014, 17:46:56
Hanibal94 passes the 15,000 mark!

 :o :o :o :o :o
(pass me the smelling salts now  ;))
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 04 December 2014, 03:00:24
Hey - no problem at all Hanibal94! Understood completely :D.  The Patterson crew are clearly expert at being shambolic - perhaps they were taking trawlermen's record keeping classes on the quiet ;D.

Oh, OK - I'm not that good at telling the difference between humor/sarcasm and reality, especially in text-only communication.
That's why I tend to use the  [ ;) ] emoticon when joking or being ironic, to show I'm not being 100% serious.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 04 December 2014, 04:12:07
Yep - emoticons are really useful   (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_6171.gif)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 04 December 2014, 07:03:50
Oh dear, start of April the P ends up with a bust a prop on a launch after doing soundings in less water than the boat needed. On the 4th the boiler house has come down.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%207/IMG_5551_1.jpg
Seems like All Fool's Day is challenging the whole month.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 05 December 2014, 18:38:55
FINALLY a percentage increase!! That took forever!
This ship is bigger than I expected when I first started - no way I can finish her by 2015.
But perhaps I can at least finish the 1910's part? There's only 1915, 1916, 1917 and Jan-May 1918 left.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 05 December 2014, 19:36:24
Aid memoir to self: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg64675#msg64675
put water in 'water' (even if it looks like it should be 'wet')
Check back for the column title swapping often...
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 07 December 2014, 08:56:46
Reference to discussion about corrected log entries.

Affects Feb 1 and 2 1915 (and maybe some later ones??)

http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4014.0

I have done what asterix135 did when transcribing these entries:

I think you're correct about the red entries being correct.  If you look at the barometric pressure readings, the corrected entries seem to transition more logically to the latter half of the day where the log entries were not corrected.  Otherwise you'd be facing a 0.30 jump in a couple of hours, which seems less likely than a 0.00  or 0.02 change.

I have deleted the black entries and left the red ones
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 08 December 2014, 08:51:25
Hanibal94 passes the 20,000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 08 December 2014, 14:44:31
What can I say?  This says it all....  ;D

(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_0143.gif)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 08 December 2014, 14:50:43
Here's an historical curiosity.

The Navy History site says:
"Prometheus (AR?3) was originally laid down as a collier 18 October 1907 at the Mare Island Navy Yard; launched 5 December 1908; and commissioned 15 January 1910 as Ontario (Fleet Collier No. 2)."
http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/p12/prometheus-ii.htm

And yet on May 1st 1912 she is identified as the 'Prometheus' by the Patterson at 1:00 P.M.:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%207/IMG_5579_1.jpg

Odd.  :-\
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 08 December 2014, 14:54:55
I have found a few sources that only refer to her as Prometheus:

http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/25/2503.htm
http://www.shipscribe.com/usnaux/AR/AR03.html
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-p/ar3.htm
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 08 December 2014, 15:07:16
Thanks Hanibal  :) I wonder if she was ever called the Ontario (perhaps the history site I tripped over was wrong)- it seems that she most likely had 'Prometheus' on her side when the Patterson saw her.
Um...Oh well... :-\
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 08 December 2014, 20:21:48
Well, the DANFS site you quoted almost certainly got the dates wrong (I've caught a number of embarrassing errors there), but I don't think they would add in a non-existent name.  And they did reuse the name Ontario in 1911 for a fleet tug.  http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/o3/ontario-iii.htm
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 December 2014, 05:45:53
AvastMH passes the 6000 mark!



Go Joan!!!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 09 December 2014, 06:33:16
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 09 December 2014, 06:49:18
Keep it up, Joan! I am very pleased to see you have picked up the pace.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 09 December 2014, 06:54:47
Aye Aye Sir! ( ;D )
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 17 December 2014, 09:18:15
I just ran into this problem spot:

Just to clarify that I'm doing this right...

On this page: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7557_0.jpg

at the point where the Patterson sets sail, the log keeper suddenly starts recording a Fahrenheit temperature in the column where they've been recording wet bulb temperature (in Celsius) for quite a while.  And from previous and future log pages, I know that the Fahrenheit reading is used for surface water temperature.  (You'll also notice that the 4 am and 8 am readings are done as per normal - not like the records for the rest of this day)

So, I'm recording the Fahrenheit number in the surface column, and not the wet bulb column as TWYS would have me do.

ETA

Actually, I'm now officially confused about what to do - which maybe means I should revert to TWYS and let smarter people figure it out??

The next page: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7558_0.jpg has entries from 1-7 am with a celsius reading in that column.  From 5-7 they also specify a Fahrenheit reading specifically labeled surface temp.

Then from 8am - 8 pm that 2nd column is in Fahrenheit, and from 9pm - mid it's back to Celsius.

SO..

Does anyone know if it's easy to swap thermometers around in the devices they use for measuring these things, or is it more likely to be a case of column confusion by the logkeeper?

Page recorded as normal while working in Alaska:  (1st col in F for surface temp, 2nd col in C for dry bulb, 3rd col in C for wet bulb)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7556_0.jpg

Pages under sail where they confuse what goes in what column
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7557_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7558_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7562_0.jpg

Pages under sail where they go back to the way they've been doing things the usual way:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7559_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7560_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7561_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7563_0.jpg

Pages in Seattle with confused recording
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7564_0.jpg

Note: as I go through these things, it's pretty clear that the F reading is always surface temp, they just have drunken logkeepers or something.

Since the F reading is always surface temp, I will always transcribe it as such no matter which column it's in.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 22 December 2014, 11:12:43
Important question here: This page says "same bulb dry" in the Water (actually Wet) column for 1 - 12 am, instead of values.
I interpreted this to mean that the values for Dry and Wet were identical for these hours, so I transcribed it that way - whatever the Dry column said, I entered into the Wet box on the entry box as well.
Have I done the right thing?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2028/IMG_7854_0.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 22 December 2014, 12:11:54
I think yes - also TWYS is OK.  This has not happened before, but it sounds like a sideways ditto and we have no such thing to use as a shortcut so I'm going back to what we did before Philip had them program dittos into the possible.  When we couldn't use dittos, we always typed the appropriate number in its place.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 22 December 2014, 22:15:09
Whew, what a day - I did all of July - Dec 1917 and Apr - May 1918 as well.
It appears I have now been sent back to Feb 1885. This wouldn't matter if it weren't for the fact that I now have to deal with a new log format, one that has 24 WR/day all the time.
And it's gonna be like this all the way to Dec 1890.

I did some quick calculations, and it appears these logs contain a total of 49.728 WR - now that will keep me busy for quite a while!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 23 December 2014, 07:42:04
I thought you were on vacation, Hanibal?  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 23 December 2014, 10:20:10
Radical - time travel on the Patterson...what a boat ;) ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 23 December 2014, 18:12:41
I thought you were on vacation, Hanibal?  :)

Yeah... I got carried away. It happens.
But I really do mean to cut back - from now on, I'll just do my daily five dates on the Concord, and maybe one or two Patterson pages. No more!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 December 2014, 11:44:47
Hanibal94 passes the 30,000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 31 December 2014, 13:38:34
It's an exciting life on the Patterson!  On 22nd June 1912, the only event recorded on the weather page (along with the weather) is 'Received some paint from the Seattle Paint Co.' 

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%207/IMG_5634_0.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 31 December 2014, 14:21:20
(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/communicate/boring-smiley-emoticon.gif)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 31 December 2014, 14:22:45
Well, at least there hasn't yet been an entry 'Hands employed watching paint dry"  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 31 December 2014, 15:18:51
..yet!... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 31 December 2014, 15:29:25
You should be on the Concord. Went to Hong Kong for a little R&R. Sent the second liberty party ashore; 13 of the first party failed to return. H.W.B. Wilson (CP) while drunk fell and cut his scalp, after his would was dressed he was confined in double irons in the cell for safekeeping.

Much more entertaining than hoping to see paint dry. Almost as good a soap opera as Downton Abbey.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 31 December 2014, 15:35:52
I see that they received mess supplies too...
It could get a little too exciting if items received get mixed up :P
Holystoning the deck with bread might not do any harm, but white paint in the coffee would definitely not go over well.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 31 December 2014, 15:43:34
Naughty suggestion but...if anyone is starting July 1912 - I'm just doing the startup pages on the log book - if you want to save  watching paint dry, holystoning the bread with white paint over a coffee yourself doing it.  ;) :-X
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 01 January 2015, 05:39:47
Helen J
Welcome to the top 12 !
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 01 January 2015, 05:40:17
jil
Welcome to the top 12 !
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 02 January 2015, 14:47:10
Helen J passes the 500 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 02 January 2015, 14:47:38
tastiger passes the 500 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 04 January 2015, 11:03:46
Hi all Patterson Crew,

I've been finding triangulation points mentioned in the misc events page. I used our own very fine:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3644.msg63618#msg63618
see:

Triangulation Points:
National Geodetic Survey (NGS) DATASHEET RETRIEVAL PAGE - Thanks to T-M!   (URL is  http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/datasheet.prl?Type=DATASHEETS )

for Alaska, subsection 'Ketchikan' or 'Prince Wales - out Ketchikan', then see the box below marked "'Get Datasheets'(for the stations I've selected above)" this opens up an astounding wealth of info about the point (you might need to check the date that you select - some points have moved slightly over time).
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 04 January 2015, 11:05:26
 ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 04 January 2015, 15:12:41
Helen J passes the 1000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Danny252 on 11 January 2015, 13:50:08
Being a USCGS ship, have you Patterson-eers come across anything relating to astronomical (survey) stations? I think it was the Patterson that was going around and putting up survey stations whilst buying up vast quantities of cloth. The Albatross has been doing some odd things with survey stations near Monterey, and I can't work out what we're doing nor why it's not being done by USCGS staff! Link to my confused ramble (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3966.msg101439#new).
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 11 January 2015, 14:16:53
I haven't read the things yet, but a found an excellent primary source for answering your questions - the online NOAA library of Coast Survey Annual Reports to Congress, 1837 to 1965, all in pdf.  http://www.lib.noaa.gov/collections/imgdocmaps/cgs_annual_reports.html

The one from July 1st 1904 to June 30th 1905 is at http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/cgs/004_pdf/CSC-0109.PDF
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Danny252 on 11 January 2015, 14:22:24
Ah, it seems that the USFC and USCGS being merged into the same entity had some uses - the NOAA has scanned the reports from both!

I have a suspicion that we're putting up survey stations for underwater surveying, but quite why we felt like that was required now I'm not sure. Also not sure why we're stealing the USCGS's original survey stations!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 11 January 2015, 14:32:57
The cloth was Pioneer: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4308.msg99748#msg99748
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 11 January 2015, 15:46:20
Being a USCGS ship, have you Patterson-eers come across anything relating to astronomical (survey) stations? I think it was the Patterson that was going around and putting up survey stations whilst buying up vast quantities of cloth. The Albatross has been doing some odd things with survey stations near Monterey, and I can't work out what we're doing nor why it's not being done by USCGS staff! Link to my confused ramble (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3966.msg101439#new).

Hi Danny 252 - can't recall exactly what date (will look for it now) - but Patterson log mentions (I think) this somewhere around 12th Jan 1912. More to follow!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 11 January 2015, 15:55:04
Helen J passes the 1500 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 11 January 2015, 18:19:34
Being a USCGS ship, have you Patterson-eers come across anything relating to astronomical (survey) stations? I think it was the Patterson that was going around and putting up survey stations whilst buying up vast quantities of cloth. The Albatross has been doing some odd things with survey stations near Monterey, and I can't work out what we're doing nor why it's not being done by USCGS staff! Link to my confused ramble (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3966.msg101439#new).

Hi Danny 252 - can't recall exactly what date (will look for it now) - but Patterson log mentions (I think) this somewhere around 12th Jan 1912. More to follow!

Totally frustrated - I KNOW I saw something a few days back - but can't see it now - Have done mid Dec 1911 to Jan 17th 1912. I'll look again tomorrow. Sigh! I really should have commented on it - but saw it in passing, not in transcribing.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 January 2015, 10:39:05
eikwar passes the 1000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 18 January 2015, 12:05:57
Who says men can't multi-task?  ::) :D

'The Carpenter was engaged replacing metal sheathing around the water line.'

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%209/IMG_5843_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 18 January 2015, 15:10:21
But could he record weather data while replacing the metal sheathing around the water line?  ;D 
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 January 2015, 15:57:06
Helen J passes the 2000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 18 January 2015, 17:18:10
But could he record weather data while replacing the metal sheathing around the water line?  ;D
Ah Craig - you may have hit the nail on the head there - perhaps he's only duo-tasking...hmmmm..have to have a think about that  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 18 January 2015, 17:18:48
Helen J passes the 2000 mark!

Woo! - I better watch out!  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 19 January 2015, 13:13:28
Helen J passes the 2000 mark!

Woo! - I better watch out!  ;) ;D

I don't think you have too much to worry about, Joan!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 21 January 2015, 13:36:33
Slightly baffled by this weather - they record 'continuous rain with passing showers' - if the rain was continuous, how could they tell there was a shower?   ::)

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2010/IMG_5878_1.jpg

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 21 January 2015, 14:06:03
Perhaps they mean periods of more intense rain :-\
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 21 January 2015, 15:16:12
Maybe - but I suppose I always think of showers as light, not intense ....
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 21 January 2015, 15:25:49
True, but think of thundershowers ;)
Quote from: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=161.0
p - Shower (a relatively short period of precipitation; the type is indicated by additional letters or symbols)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 21 January 2015, 16:22:02
I see the forces of weather logging madness have been visited upon the Patterson again:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2010/IMG_5873_0.jpg

The (pre-printed) 'Water' column is now pencilled in as 'Wet'. So 'Wet' it is on a TWYS basis.

Unless someone knows better  :-\
------------------------

And now:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2010/IMG_5886_0.jpg

...they can't even be bothered to put in the decimal point in the barometer readings.
Such free spirits  ;) :D

---------------------
However, 10 out of 10 for using one of my favourite words: Williwaws, though the spelling has been 'Pattersoned' to Willawaws or Willawawas

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2010/IMG_5886_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 21 January 2015, 17:01:26
Please could anyone help with me with what a 'Side Observer' might be?  Thanks.

'10.25 Sent Side Observer in to observe Low Side.'

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2010/IMG_5886_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 21 January 2015, 17:09:17
I think it's actually Tide Observer, as in "Sent Tide Observer in to observe Low Tide". The T is just really badly written both times.

Tide Observers have been mentioned on the Pioneer.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 21 January 2015, 17:11:16
Thanks Hanibal94! Yep - that makes sense...because it mentions tide observers (in a different hand) further down. Just didn't put the'two together.  ::)
Cheers!  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Danny252 on 21 January 2015, 17:13:23
Tide Observers have been mentioned on the Pioneer.

And similarly on the Albatross from time to time.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: tastiger on 21 January 2015, 19:18:11
Please could anyone help with me with what a 'Side Observer' might be?  Thanks.

'10.25 Sent Side Observer in to observe Low Side.'

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2010/IMG_5886_1.jpg
Hm, I just had that page around the time you first posted this. :/
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Danny252 on 22 January 2015, 05:46:05
Slightly baffled by this weather - they record 'continuous rain with passing showers' - if the rain was continuous, how could they tell there was a shower?   ::)

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2010/IMG_5878_1.jpg

Might it be continuous rain for half the watch, and then passing showers for the last half? I suspect he weather doesn't always decide to match logbook hours neatly!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 25 January 2015, 14:00:14
tastiger passes the 1000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 25 January 2015, 14:59:53
Congratulations, Tastiger!  We're making good speed for 50% ....  :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: tastiger on 25 January 2015, 16:31:29
Congratulations, Tastiger!  We're making good speed for 50% ....  :D

I got really bored at work and our standards here are pretty low so for once had time to do some. :P Might be able to do more once I get my computer back.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 25 January 2015, 16:41:34
WATCH OUT FOR Dec 14th 1912 everyone - the weather page is repeated about 3/4 times due to the insert on the following page.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 25 January 2015, 17:45:19
asterix135 reported all the multiple-scans-of-a-single-page cases back when he was active, all the way up to May 1918.

Here's a link to the Dec 14th 1912 one: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3383.msg67923#msg67923
You can find all the others (i.e. upcoming ones) by looking through the topic.

P.S. You are the third transcriber, Joan, so there's no need to warn other people because no one else will get it now.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 26 January 2015, 09:44:17
Thanks Hanibal94 - that's very helpful.  :)
I'm obviously sharing the 3rd transcription post with HelenJ and co. I spotted the multiple page problem just as I was signing off - didn't have time to transcribe them so thought just to warn others.  ;) :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 26 January 2015, 17:28:24
I clicked through a lot of duplicated pages yesterday .... Sometimes there did seem to be rather more than necessary, even to show every attached invoice - I think someone was being very very thorough. 
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 26 January 2015, 19:04:24
I've got to admit that thoughts of those inventory lists from the Jeannette started to swim through my mind! I'll never forget the list that went:
 3 doz black pencils, a half doz red pencils, a half doz blue pencils, 2 fog horns, one pair of dividers.....  ::) ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 27 January 2015, 09:14:26
One for you techno folks: something I didn't know you could use caribou hair for...

Meridian to midnight: At 8:40 received from Kilbourne & Clarks Co.: 1 doz Caribou Brushes for dynamos

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2010/IMG_5972_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Maxntopeka on 27 January 2015, 18:29:17
Is that maybe "carbon brushes"?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 27 January 2015, 19:02:52
Ooooooh!!!  That makes a LOT more sense  ;D ;D ;D Cheers Manxtopeka
Oh dear - guess who doesn't have much mechanical engineering experience - though I did once change the head gasket on my car engine - all on my own!  8) :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 28 January 2015, 12:12:15
Hanibal94 passes the 40,000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 28 January 2015, 12:12:38
* Piping aboard Captain Hanibal94 *
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 28 January 2015, 13:26:55
Welcome aboard, Captain!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 28 January 2015, 16:36:09
Thanks Helen! It sure hasn't been easy - I'm gotten to the point where there's only 24 WR/day, all the time, all the way to the end now.
I've still got June 16th, 1886 - Dec 31st, 1890 to go. This will take me a few months of real time.

And thanks for joining and contributing, Helen! It was getting rather lonely here - nice to be on the same ship again like we were on the Pioneer.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 28 January 2015, 18:50:34

I say: WELL DONE!!

(http://imageshack.com/a/img901/4731/5SlFas.gif)

It will be a pleasure to serve as your crew!
(I hope we piped out Asterix! ;))
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 29 January 2015, 08:36:23
I assume this is the definition of "pipe out" you mean, Joan?

Quote
4. Nautical
a. To signal (crew members) with a boatswain's pipe.
b. To receive aboard or mark the departure of by sounding a boatswain's pipe.

I'm asking because I found a whole bunch of definitions online, including one from Urban Dictionary that is extremely NSFW...
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 29 January 2015, 13:16:22
Thanks Helen! It sure hasn't been easy - I'm gotten to the point where there's only 24 WR/day, all the time, all the way to the end now.
I've still got June 16th, 1886 - Dec 31st, 1890 to go. This will take me a few months of real time.

And thanks for joining and contributing, Helen! It was getting rather lonely here - nice to be on the same ship again like we were on the Pioneer.

What is it about us that we end up on ships with really difficult end logs - all those 24 WR/day!  I'm still in 1912, so I guess at some point I'll be jumping back in time to reach those delightful logbooks ....
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 29 January 2015, 13:32:44
I have no idea, Helen - guess it's just bad luck.
You still have until December 1917 plus April and May 1918 left to do, after that it's *POOF* back to Feb 1885.
Me, I'm gonna keep pushing forward - am currently in the middle of July 1886.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 29 January 2015, 14:57:28
Way to go, Hanibal!  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 30 January 2015, 14:36:44
Helen J passes the 3000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 30 January 2015, 17:25:36
I assume this is the definition of "pipe out" you mean, Joan?

Quote
4. Nautical
a. To signal (crew members) with a boatswain's pipe.
b. To receive aboard or mark the departure of by sounding a boatswain's pipe.

I'm asking because I found a whole bunch of definitions online, including one from Urban Dictionary that is extremely NSFW...

Oh sigh! Language does change so fast, and that which was safe becomes unsafe. Thanks for the warning Hanibal94! I, of course, was only thinking about the boatswain's whistle. :-)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 30 January 2015, 17:41:00
Thanks Craig!

Actually, the Patterson isn't as hard as I may have made her sound - there's no cloud code or amount of clear sky (last two things on the weather observation entry box), so I can go even faster than usual - often, I take less than 3 minutes for one 24 WR page.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 31 January 2015, 16:12:14
Can you do some for me? About 12 minutes should help ;)

(a very busy -frustratingly so - J)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 04 February 2015, 09:46:49
So - was it the soap or the ice that the Patterson wished to lock up with its brand new yale lock?  ;) ;D

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2011/IMG_6036_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 04 February 2015, 09:57:05
This day 102 years ago...in Honolulu Harbor:
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/673/nps4Qo.jpg)

Nice.... :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 04 February 2015, 11:34:09
I'll trade that weather for Chicagoland still digging out from a blizzard!  :)

(They are doing very well at it - after all, we are the city that un-elected a mayor for failing to shovel snow properly, and every administration since, including surrounding suburbs, has remembered that.  It simply takes a full week to dig out over 4,000 miles (6,400 km) of streets and then connect all the sidewalks to the intersections thru the resulting snow plow piles.)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 04 February 2015, 13:02:14
That sounds like very serious snow, Janet!  I'll try not to complain about our pitiful amounts in the future ....  :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 04 February 2015, 13:46:56
Dramatic events on board Patterson!

The pantry boy, M. Wada, for some reason which could not be definitely ascertained, became enraged at the ward room steward, and it was necessary to put him in double irons to prevent violence. From his threats and actions, it was deemed advisable to keep him in irons until the ship shall have arrived in Honolulu.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2011/IMG_6044_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 04 February 2015, 13:49:29
18 inches (45 cm) in 33hours is not minor in anyone's book. 

It sounds like they have an unstable person who has been bullied or prodded into rage.  They are wise to constrain him.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 04 February 2015, 13:58:45
If I get the page when they return to Honolulu I'll be interested to see what happens to him.  Does he just get discharged, or do they try to do something for his mental state?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 04 February 2015, 17:15:19
Wow! all intersting stuff. Chicago gets a new mayor due to snow fall. Patterson's pantry boy gets double irons. It's all happening here :o ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 04 February 2015, 17:18:23
 ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 04 February 2015, 17:29:45
 ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 05 February 2015, 13:19:20
On 15th February they arrive in Honolulu and record this in the log:

Commanding Officer and Dr Edson were in communication with the Immigration Authorities regarding disposition to be made of M. Wada Japanese mess attendant.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2011/IMG_6048_1.jpg

And then on February 17th there's an inconclusive meeting:

A board composed of the Commanding Officer, the Executive Officer, the Medical Officer, the acting Immigration Inspector, his stenographer & interpreter, met in the chart room to examine M Wada Mess Attendant. Nothing definite could be decided as to the disposition to be made of him as the Immigration Inspector was out of town. Wada was retained on board ship and taken back to the working grounds.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2011/IMG_6049_1.jpg

I feel rather sorry for the poor man - I hope he isn't going to have to be kept in double irons again ....  :(

Next installment - on 22nd February they're still trying to get a decision:

At 9:00 a.m. Hansen, writer, was sent ashore to despatch a wireless message to the Immigration Officials in Honolulu relating to disposition to be made of M. Wada Japanese mess attendant.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2011/IMG_6054_1.jpg

And by the end of February there's been no more mention of the hapless Wada.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 06 February 2015, 07:30:56
I'm on tenterhooks... :( :o

But not for long, then again...

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2011/IMG_6062_1.jpg
1st March:
'At 4:30, Mr Giacomini, accompanied by the M-at-A and one seaman, left ship to deliver M.Att. 1cl. M. Wada at the Immigration Authorities Detention Quarters, (arrangements having been made by the Comd'g Officer), taking a receipt for the delivery of the man from the Immigration Watchman in charge.'

I wonder if we will ever hear what became of him? :-\

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 06 February 2015, 11:47:14
Once he was - if he was - deported, he will have vanished from all archived American documents.  I hope his life got better once he was settled.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 06 February 2015, 13:00:28
Oh, I'm so glad someone using the forum found this entry!  At least he isn't still being kept in irons on board Patterson.  But I do wonder why the Immigration Authorities were involved?  If he was Japanese how come he was a member of the crew in the first place, as I'm assuming he must have joined up in the USA, and therefore been entitled to be there?  So why can't he be simply discharged in Hawaii?

Anyone got any light to shed on this?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 06 February 2015, 15:46:34
I've seen it working on a factory floor - quite a while ago, one of our long-time best machine operators took advantage of an Amnesty offer to make himself legal.  Turned out, the name he put on his original job application wasn't even related to his legal name, the cover-up he had constructed for himself had never been recognized - and that business was a union shop, they had no motive at all to hire illegals and no one's salary was cheap.

There is a lot of that, and I imagine there were more than usual numbers of mariners that carried that off very successfully before computerized records.  The problem for all of them is that none of that stands up well if some accidental event starts someone digging more deeply into their background. 

We have a reputation as a place to start new, and continental international boundaries (leaving out Alaska for these ships and voyages) stretching for thousands of miles.  Currently it is estimated we have between 7 million and 20 million illegal immigrants working here.  M. Wada is not unusual.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 06 February 2015, 16:23:29
Thanks Janet, that makes sense.  I suspect he regretted the row he got into ....
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Danny252 on 06 February 2015, 16:29:21
I've also seen "foreign" names being enlisted a couple of days after a wave of enlistments on the Albatross, which I've always suspected was due to checking of documents for immigrants. Recently, there's also been mention of "enlisted ... after waiver", which may be related to immigration?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 06 February 2015, 18:26:08
Whew... I just broke my record for the most WR transcribed in a single day, and boy am I tired!

Old record: 2305 WR
New record: 3024 WR

I did consider going further to break the 3000 mark, but then I decided not to went ahead and did it anyway.
Won't be repeating this anytime soon.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 06 February 2015, 19:14:10
Don't wear yourself out, this is supposed to be fun.  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 07 February 2015, 03:40:07
Congratulations!

That's why I like this place - there are people here even crazier than I am ::)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 07 February 2015, 09:48:17
Whew... I just broke my record for the most WR transcribed in a single day, and boy am I tired!

Old record: 2305 WR
New record: 3024 WR

I did consider going further to break the 3000 mark, but then I decided not to went ahead and did it anyway.
Won't be repeating this anytime soon.

Hi Hanibal94 - don't forget to let your keyboard cool down - at that rate it might spontaneously combust  ;) :D  Well done!  8) ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 07 February 2015, 09:55:57
Well, I didn't do it all at once - I did over the course of the day, taking breaks for water and stuff.

P.S. I did a few quick calculations, and it looks like I can pass the 80.000 mark - but only just.
This is very motivating to me, because the farthest I've gotten before was 60.000.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 07 February 2015, 13:58:30
70,000 would be pretty amazing ....  And you've got us another percentage point nearer the 50% mark as well.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 07 February 2015, 19:35:47
Congratulations!

That's why I like this place - there are people here even crazier than I am ::)

You're too modest, Randi  :D :P

Congrats on the new record, Hanibal.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 08 February 2015, 03:42:54
Congratulations!

That's why I like this place - there are people here even crazier than I am ::)

You're too modest, Randi  :D :P

No, she's right - I know for sure that I am the craziest person here, and all I have is a not-too-bad case of Asperger's Syndrome, plus a bit of an obsession with cute candy-colored cartoon ponies.
But hey, if I were "normal", I'd be a nobody here, and I would never want that!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 08 February 2015, 09:06:44
Well that's the thing about OW, it takes a special sort of person to bother joining a citizen science project and to stick with it through thick and thin, especially when it is as complex as this one has become.  Perhaps our best side is that we can share so well with others that it is welcoming rather than daunting.

Right - back to the P. I wonder where we are in time and space today?  :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 08 February 2015, 09:32:51
Feeling a bit dim -but have to ask...I've never yet found a weather record with underlining to emphasize the weather. Now the Patterson is doing just that (as well as putting wind speeds and weather codes in brackets). How do we record the underlines? Can't believe I'm asking this after 3 years, but couldn't find a clear answer by searching 'underline'.  ::)
Thanks folks :-)

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2011/IMG_6083_0.jpg  9pm
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 08 February 2015, 10:54:21
Capitalize the underlined part. So in this case, it would be c(QH) for 9 pm.

P.S. When using the search, please try being more specific - in this case, "underlined weather code" will get you what you're looking for:

When it comes to weather codes, please enter them as they appear in the logbook - you don't need to correct the log-keeper's capitalisation.

This does present difficulties with underlined letters and other marks that can't be keyed - feel free to ignore these. I like the convention of capitalising underlined letters (as they are both indications of high intensity), so it's good to do this (but not vital - don't worry if you haven't been doing it). In general, don't worry too much about recording strange marks - it's the letters we are really after.

At the moment, when analysing the data, I convert all letters to lower case - this simplifies the process of checking that all three readers have input the same letters, and our current weather models are not powerful enough to need the distinction between 'r' and 'R' anyway (and I doubt that the log-keepers are consistent in how they use them). So for current analysis it makes no difference - but future analysts may be cleverer, so, where possible, input exactly what the log-keeper has entered.

Philip
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 08 February 2015, 14:58:16
Hanibal94 passes the 50,000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 08 February 2015, 15:01:03
Congratulations, Captain!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 08 February 2015, 15:01:18
Helen J passes the 4000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 08 February 2015, 15:42:22
Capitalize the underlined part. So in this case, it would be c(QH) for 9 pm.

P.S. When using the search, please try being more specific - in this case, "underlined weather code" will get you what you're looking for:

When it comes to weather codes, please enter them as they appear in the logbook - you don't need to correct the log-keeper's capitalisation.

This does present difficulties with underlined letters and other marks that can't be keyed - feel free to ignore these. I like the convention of capitalising underlined letters (as they are both indications of high intensity), so it's good to do this (but not vital - don't worry if you haven't been doing it). In general, don't worry too much about recording strange marks - it's the letters we are really after.

At the moment, when analysing the data, I convert all letters to lower case - this simplifies the process of checking that all three readers have input the same letters, and our current weather models are not powerful enough to need the distinction between 'r' and 'R' anyway (and I doubt that the log-keepers are consistent in how they use them). So for current analysis it makes no difference - but future analysts may be cleverer, so, where possible, input exactly what the log-keeper has entered.

Philip

Cheers hanibal94 - and thanks for the search tip!  :D :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 08 February 2015, 15:46:13
Hanibal94 passes the 50,000 mark!

Calculator shows 'E' - number too large, does not compute.  ;) ;) ;)
That's amazing - well done ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 08 February 2015, 16:33:17
Thanks Joan and Helen! I do like getting these milestones.
This one is the fourth time I've passed 50.000.

P.S. You really need to get a new calculator, Joan.  ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 09 February 2015, 14:25:32

'C.H. Bennett, Ship's Cook 2cl. this day rated Fire 1cl. at 50.00 dollars per month.'  Cook to Fireman - hmmmm.. was that to stop him burning the toast?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2012/IMG_6112_0.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 February 2015, 14:29:32
 :P
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 14 February 2015, 15:50:53
Just filling in time from the Concord till Michael catches up.
Where do you want these pages put?
https://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2012/IMG_6187_1.jpg (https://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2012/IMG_6187_1.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2012/IMG_6188_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2012/IMG_6188_0.jpg)
https://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2012/IMG_6189_0.jpg (https://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2012/IMG_6189_0.jpg)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 February 2015, 16:07:54
IF you want to, you could put them in American: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks... (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3390.0)
I don't think it is really necessary ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 14 February 2015, 16:11:13
Agree with Randi - just labeling them in this topic as something along the lines of "machinery and oil receipts" should do the trip.  It's not like the RN ships when there was no promise of concentrated-by-name topics.  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 14 February 2015, 17:19:21
Can anybody tell me what 'no boiling noticed' means?
8-mid end of line 2
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2012/IMG_6199_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2012/IMG_6199_1.jpg)

Also can I assume the temps are in C not F, else its quite cold in Seattle Wash in May.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 14 February 2015, 19:35:55
First there is no way the Pacific Northwest, US and Canadian, could be that far below freezing in May.  They run cool but mild all year long from the ocean winds.  I visited there (Washington and Vancouver.)

Could the "boiling" be extreme tidal turbulance?

Quote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Narrows
Seymour Narrows is a 5 km (3.1 mi) section of the Discovery Passage in British Columbia known for strong tidal currents.[1] Discovery Passage lies between Vancouver Island at Menzies Bay, British Columbia and Quadra Island except at its northern end where the eastern shoreline is Sonora Island. The section known as Seymour Narrows begins about 18 km (11 mi) from the south end of Discovery Passage where it enters the Georgia Strait near Campbell River. For most of the length of the narrows, the channel is about 750 m wide. Through this narrow channel, currents can reach 15 kn.
Seymour Narrows was described by Captain George Vancouver as "one of the vilest stretches of water in the world."[2] Even after Ripple Rock was removed, it remains a challenging route. In March 1981, the Star Philippine, a freighter ran aground in the narrows.
Seymour Narrows is notable also because the flowing current can be sufficiently turbulent to realize a Reynolds number of about 10^9, i.e. one billion, which is possibly the largest Reynolds number regularly attained in natural water channels on Earth (the current speed is about 8 m/s, the nominal depth about 100 m). Turbulence develops usually around a Reynolds number of 2000, depending on the geometric structure of the channel.

(http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/bcparks/explore/parkpgs/surge_nr/surge-narrows.jpg)
surge-narrows
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 15 February 2015, 05:05:03
Possibly:
Quote from: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/boiling
2. fiercely churning or swirling: the boiling seas.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 15 February 2015, 09:06:29
Also can I assume the temps are in C not F, else its quite cold in Seattle Wash in May.

Yes. For the logs you are doing now, the Ther Attached is given in F, but the Air and Water (Dry and Wet values on the entry box) are given in C.
Of course, there are a few exceptions: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg81345#msg81345
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 15 February 2015, 16:01:03
I know we are supposed to TWUC but can I drop the .0 and enter 9 for 9.0 temp?  (still entering 9.5 etc)
I am sure the software will not object.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 15 February 2015, 16:08:48
Personally, I never drop it. So perhaps you shouldn't either - that way, our entries will be the same, and the software will not mark them as suspicious, so the PTB won't have to waste time looking at it when they could be correcting actual mistakes.

(I think this is sorta how the error correcting process works. Please correct me if I am wrong)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 15 February 2015, 16:09:52
Thanks
No problem.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 15 February 2015, 16:36:35
I don't know what Philip does but I think he said at one point that he converts the numeric data to standard numeric format before doing any comparisons. This would not be possible in some fields though, such as wind speed when there is a range.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 15 February 2015, 16:42:41
My reason for asking is that over the last two pages I have counted 91 extra key strokes that could have been saved with x not x.0
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 15 February 2015, 17:48:47
The computer throws out everything that doesn't have 2 out 3 matching exactly, and then Philip or another analyst have to look at the set decide to keep or throw.  I just don't know if the blind computer is smart enuf to know that 9 = 9.0 and that is the decision point to judge your answer on.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 15 February 2015, 18:00:37
Sea Jaut Richardson failed to report aboard. Later he was seen on the hillside, above the town, watching the ship leave the harbor. Richardsons action is taken as a manifest intention to desert.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2012/IMG_6208_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2012/IMG_6208_1.jpg)

(I guess you could draw that conclusion.)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 15 February 2015, 20:00:28
I'd call it pretty self-evident.  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 16 February 2015, 13:43:42
What's going on here?  Was there rivalry between different ships, or did some men just get a bit out of hand?

Mr Mattison reported that tide gauge had been tampered with probably by men from U.S.R.C. Tahoma. Paper was found strewn over dock, and paper tension weight was lost.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2012/IMG_6212_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 16 February 2015, 13:57:30
I've never seen anything like that before.  Wish we could Tardis back to them and ask!! :o
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 17 February 2015, 01:16:57
June 1913
Looking up Patterson to see if I could find out what observations they were making and came across this.
http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/041/Text/mwr-041-01-0153.TXT (http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/041/Text/mwr-041-01-0153.TXT)
(the OCR needed a bit of refining)
Patterson was sailing away from Kodiak Isd to Humboldt Bay at the time and made no mention of the volcanic explosion/ash in her log.

Missed out by 'That much'
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 February 2015, 02:17:02
June 1913
Looking up Patterson to see if I could find out what observations they were making and came across this.
http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/041/Text/mwr-041-01-0153.TXT (http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/041/Text/mwr-041-01-0153.TXT)
(the OCR needed a bit of refining)
Patterson was sailing away from Kodiak Isd to Humboldt Bay at the time and made no mention of the volcanic explosion/ash in her log.

I'm a bit confused, Stuart.  AVO says the mega-eruption of Katmai was on the 6th to 9th of June 1912.
http://www.avo.alaska.edu/volcanoes/activity.php?volcname=Katmai&eruptionid=494
They record no observed eruptions at all from Katmai in 1913.
http://www.avo.alaska.edu/volcanoes/eruptsearchresults.php?fromsearch=1&yearstart=&yearend=&year=1913&volcano=75
A search for all volcanoes in 1913 gave me only two:  Bogoslov and Trident.
http://www.avo.alaska.edu/volcanoes/eruptsearchresults.php?fromsearch=1&yearstart=&yearend=&year=1913&volcano=-1


July 1913: from AVO
Quote
Description: Powers (1916) gives the following information on this eruption: "n July, 1913, a brief statement refers to the crater [of Tahoma Peak] as being plainly visible with steam and smoke slowly issuing from it. Activity apparently ceased during this year, for the commanding officer of the steamer Patterson, which passed Bogoslof on its way to pick up survivors of the Tahoma [The Tahoma struck a reef on the 20th of September, 1914], reports that 'the Bogoslof Islands showed three peaks in 1914, none of which was smoking.'"

I'm much more interested in what our cutters saw in September 1913 around Trident in the Katmai area
Quote
Description: During the years 1913 to 1919 (the years of the National Geographic Society expeditions to the Katmai National Monument), Trident Volcano was often observed to be "smoking" or "steaming." Eicher and Rounsefell (1957) report a "lighter" eruption in the Katmai area in September, 1913. This eruption may have occurred at Trident.

However, Hildreth (1983) disbelieves this account: "Published compilations notwithstanding, there are no credible reports of historic eruptions in the Katmai group except at Novarupta in 1912 and at Trident in 1953 - 1968."
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 February 2015, 03:58:20
 8)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 17 February 2015, 04:30:52
(Allow for poor OCR and my tidying up of some text)
The text starts out mid 1912 and then
The Recent Eruption of Katmai Volcano in Alaska. Nat.
September; 1913, v. 44, pp. 641444.
Meteorological Chart of the North Pacific Ocean, February. 1913.
pp. 233-242.
pp. 226229.
Geog. Ma;., February, 1913, v. 24, pp. 131-181.
wards a sheet of flame was seen to s h o t from the volcano high into the air.
At Ctmlova, 360 d e s from the volcano, explosions were first heard at 7 p. m., of June 6 ; at) Copper Center,
450 miles distant, they were recorded as heard on June 7;
while at Chicken, more than 600 miles distant, they were first heard a t 2.30 p. m., of the 6th, and continued until
6 a. m., of the 9th, at intervals of two or three minutes for the first few hours, then some at longer intervals, and
again some in quick succession.
At C'ordova the detonations were described as resembling signal guns at five-second intervals, but varying in
volume, and were not mentioned after 10 p. m., of June 7.
At Seldovia they were last heard on the 10th

And similar entries.

At K o h k {Kodiak?}, 100 miles from the volcano, peals of thunder attracted attention rather than volcanic explosions.
Severe thunder storms appear to have accompanied the dense smoke cloud, and did not occur far from it, as
none were mentioned at Seldovia. On the 7th, from the steamship Doru, then in Cook Inlet, the smoke cloud could
be seen carried to the south and east by the prevailing northwest surface wind.
Earth tremors were reported at several places, but there were no destructive shocks.
I;ir/l of uo7cunic asii.--At Amalik Bay, 15 miles south-east of the volcano, ashes fell to a depth of 55 inches.
At Kodiak, 100 miles to the east, the depth was 10 inches.
At Naknek, less than 100 miles to the northwest, the fall was 4 inches, while at Seldovia, 15.5 miles to the northeast,
it was less than an inch.

etc.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 February 2015, 10:12:42
Good grief - and AVO was never sent this paper by this gentleman!!!  What a very strange lack of sharing information by a scientist!!  I haven't had my morning coffee yet, but will send this info to Cheryl today.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Danny252 on 17 February 2015, 10:31:10
The original document for is available here, without dodgy OCR: http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/041/mwr-041-01-0153.pdf

I can't see any reference to a 1913 eruption in there; only observations relating to the 1912 eruption (although some of those extended into early 1913). A number of "1912"s have been mis-transcribed as "1913", which probably is the cause of the confusion - the paper was published in January 1913, and so can't refer to a second eruption in June 1913!

(I'm also not sure what Janet's comment is getting at - if the AVO missed a published paper in a scientific journal, that'd hardly be the author's fault!)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 February 2015, 10:38:31
The original document for Pommy Stuart's first post is available here, without dodgy OCR: http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/041/mwr-041-01-0153.pdf

I can't see any reference to a 1913 eruption in there; only observations relating to the 1912 eruption (although some of those extended into early 1913).

Not sure what more you'd want from the scientist, though, Janet - if the AVO decided not to read a published paper, that's hardly the author's fault!

That last comment is true.  One can't remember everyone who might be interested.  I'll read the original doc, the ocr doc was impossible for my eye to follow, before writing Cheryl.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 17 February 2015, 21:35:15
Thanks Danny
Now I can see the copy of the Original doc that does give a different time zone.
The footnote in the poor copy looked like dates in the body text.
1 Martin George C.  The Recent Eruption of Katmai Volcano in Alaska. Nat.
Geo. Mag. February, 1913, v. 24, pp. 131-181.

Sorry, but still interesting reading for me.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 February 2015, 21:52:45
Very interesting reading - and set off an interest in me on any volcanic comments in September 1913.  There lies an acknowledged true mystery.  So thank you, Stuart, for adding good interest.  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 February 2015, 12:24:15
Helen J passes the 5000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 February 2015, 14:05:43
pommystuart (Pommy Stuart)
Welcome to the top 12 !
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 19 February 2015, 16:33:09
I wish I could get my Concord crew to work as hard as these guys look like they are.
What a busy (but still readable) log page.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2013/IMG_6279_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2013/IMG_6279_0.jpg)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 19 February 2015, 16:57:19
Note the cz weather at 3 & 4pm
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2013/IMG_6280_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2013/IMG_6280_0.jpg)

don't see many z('s) around.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 19 February 2015, 17:18:32
I think that is an alternate "haze" - very rare.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 20 February 2015, 10:24:07
pommystuart (Pommy Stuart) passes the 1000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 04 March 2015, 17:09:37
On this page, the Water (Wet temperature)  and Air (Dry temperature) columns have been swapped:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2039/IMG_8790_0.jpg

I decided to correct this, because it is quite obvious - I know from loads of experience that Wet is always lower than or equal to Dry.

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 04 March 2015, 17:27:49
It looks like the printed column headings have been crossed out and handwritten in the reverse order?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 04 March 2015, 17:44:23
That's exactly what I meant - the columns have been swapped, including the values in them.
You can tell because the Water (Wet) value is almost never bigger than the Air (Dry) value. I know this from experience.
So I didn't transcribe the mistake - I corrected it.

Here's my transcription so you can see what I mean: http://www.oldweather.org/transcriptions/54f774ff3d033b003100827a/edit
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 04 March 2015, 18:18:03
Are you sure the data is wet bulb rather than water?
I know we have had some problems with this in the past.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 04 March 2015, 19:40:17
That particular page doesn't have any column for water surface temperature, so I don't think a wet/water confusion is possible.  TWYS says they made a mistake and recorded the correction as best they could and therefore Hanibal transcribed it as recorded.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 05 March 2015, 02:40:14
Are you sure the data is wet bulb rather than water?
I know we have had some problems with this in the past.

Yes, because in the past they explicitly declared it was wet bulb, for example: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2033/IMG_8116_1.jpg

So I got used to it, and have been doing it that way for over three years worth of logs now. No way am I going back and changing all that!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 05 March 2015, 03:24:02
OK, another problem: On this page, the Ther Attached and Air columns have grey values written over the original black ones a lot of the time, but without explicitly declaring the originals to be wrong.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2039/IMG_8798_1.jpg

I wasn't sure how to handle this, so I decided to just transcribe the original black ones.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 05 March 2015, 03:55:19
Strange, but I would also stick with the originals.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 06 March 2015, 19:16:08
Yet ANOTHER weird thing: The Water column has two values crammed in, starting at 3 pm on this page and going on for a few more pages!

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2039/IMG_8816_0.jpg

The best I can think of is that the second value is the Water temp (the first one is actually Wet - I know from experience).
But since this is not 100% certain, I have decided to TWYS and enter both values in the same column, separated by a space, such as "54 50".
Is this alright? If not, I can always go back and fix it.

EDIT: This affects May 23rd - 25th 1888. It seems to have stopped after that.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 06 March 2015, 20:41:57
It's come up before - thank goodness I save answers from the PTB because I'd forgotten this one.
Hi all,

The writer on the Yarmouth is up to his old tricks again -- not only do we have two days per page, he's now doing some mighty odd things with temperatures.  On http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-94181/C4-ADM53-94181-057_1.jpg, at 1400, 1600, and 1800, there are one or more temperatures with double entries. 

At 1400, to me, it's pretty clear that he has crossed out the initial air reading of 66 and corected it with 55, but the bulb and sea temperatures are not crossed out, they are simply put in twice.  With wildly different values!
...
Elizabeth
Well, I don't know what they are doing on that page, but please enter all the observations, even if very dubious.

If you think an entry has been crossed out or otherwise marked as bad, just ignore it, otherwise please enter all the observations. If there are two observations for the same hour, please enter both of them as separate entries: that is put in one observation as normal, then click again in almost the same place, and enter the second version of any measurements with two entries. If in doubt, please put in both measurements.

And thanks for mentioning the problem - sorting out double entries is much easier if they are flagged up in advance.

Philip
So double entry it is, not doubling up.  And I'll email this to Philip as the requested notice.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 06 March 2015, 20:46:10
Aw hell - I was so sure I had it right!

But if double entries is the rule, I shall do just that. At least only 2.5 pages are affected so far - time to go back and correct them all.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 06 March 2015, 20:53:19
You have my sympathy - if I hadn't looked in the mod archive first, I'd have said/done same as your first choice.  Sigh.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 07 March 2015, 03:29:17
It is in TWYS ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 07 March 2015, 13:07:08
Speaking of TWYS - I've just had a couple of log pages (13th and 14th September 1913) which had no date.  I'm assuming it will be obvious which dates they are as they come in sequence between dated pages, and haven't added a date (or in one case a location - the other had something at the foot of the page).  Is that right?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 07 March 2015, 13:16:05
Yep - that's up to the climatologists and editors to add.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 07 March 2015, 13:23:29
Thanks, Janet.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 08 March 2015, 15:24:11
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Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 08 March 2015, 15:24:57
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Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 08 March 2015, 15:49:31
Makes my little landmark look pretty puny!  Congratulations, Captain.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 08 March 2015, 20:33:43
Good work Hanibal and Helen!  8)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 09 March 2015, 11:52:33
Thanks Craig and Helen!

It's rather tedious now due to being all 24 WR, all the time, but I'm getting there. Only 2 years and 2.5 months left, give or take a few days. This is wrong, see below.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 14 March 2015, 15:29:45
I have a grave confession to make: When I first updated the logbook list created by asterix135, I wasn't as thorough as I should have been in using URL editing to find new books.
Turns out I missed over a whole year worth of logs because of this.  :-[ :-[ :-[

So instead of 1884 - 1890, the 19th century logs go to 1892.
Perhaps even further - the unusual URL structure makes it hard to tell.

I am very sorry.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 14 March 2015, 15:33:43
Consider it proof that you are human, Hanibal.  Makes the rest of us feel comfortable with you.  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 14 March 2015, 18:32:47
So in other words, you'd rather have me like this:

(http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/300px-Atlantis030_717.jpg)
(I do not look or dress like that)

than like this:

(http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/2001/images/1/18/Hal9000.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20091004150956)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 14 March 2015, 19:33:56
Yep!   8)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 22 March 2015, 08:58:50
Hi folks, I tried to locate this one in previous bits of this thread - but no luck.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6397_0.jpg

On this page the P starts up yet another extra-column-on-the-left marked 'surf temp'. In previous pages the 'water' column has been retitled (handwritten) 'wet' when this additional column appears. But the water column is not retitled to 'wet' on this page or the next.
Should I:
put the surf temp in the water column, and the 'water' in the 'wet' column
OR should I TWYS as usual for the details in the pre-printed grid, but then add another entry just showing the time and the additional column as 'water'?

Could we re-charge the time taken for sorting out the P's logs to the US Navy and have a big party please? ;) ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 22 March 2015, 09:04:45
Let's get a fresh perspective!
I will ask Philip ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 22 March 2015, 09:09:30
What I was going to say.  It is a most confusing page.

I suspect the printed column remains "wet" and there really is a water temp this time, using centigrade and fahrenheit.  One for Philip.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 22 March 2015, 09:25:44
Thank you folks! 

Sorry another odd one: how do I note these lat/longs please?  Should I simply put them in the events box? I've done the noon lat&longs

It's from this page: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6401_0.jpg

(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/537/fgjI62.jpg)

I think I must be new here...or is it just Patterson messing with my head?  ::) ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 22 March 2015, 09:35:58
Since you have noon, these are optional.
These two seem to have been done for the soundings.

If you do transcribe the first, it would go as Observed since it says "by stars".
The second might be Observed or DR.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 22 March 2015, 09:44:37
I suspect the printed column remains "wet" and there really is a water temp this time, using centigrade and fahrenheit.  One for Philip.

The printed column is Wet, and the surf temp is Water. I remember dealing with that when I did those logs.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 22 March 2015, 09:46:20
Since you have noon, these are optional.
These two seem to have been done for the soundings.

If you do transcribe the first, it would go as Observed since it says "by stars".
The second might be Observed or DR.

Thanks Randi. As they are bobbing around on one tiny bit of the briny sea I'll let myself off!  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 22 March 2015, 09:47:37
I suspect the printed column remains "wet" and there really is a water temp this time, using centigrade and fahrenheit.  One for Philip.

The printed column is Wet, and the surf temp is Water. I remember dealing with that when I did those logs.

Fab memory banks Hanibal!  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 22 March 2015, 10:14:54
Thanks, Joan!

Just be careful to check each and every page for the surf temperature - I had to go back and add over 200 ones that I had missed the first time!
At least it's only temporary.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 22 March 2015, 10:22:34
Thanks, Joan!

Just be careful to check each and every page for the surf temperature - I had to go back and add over 200 ones that I had missed the first time!
At least it's only temporary.

OUCH!  I've been eyes-peeled on the P for these extra columns and re-titles - they are very eccentric in their use of those pages. I'm sure there must be worse...possibly ::) ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 22 March 2015, 10:47:40
OK - So, if there is no "Surf Temp" column, do the numbers in the column with the printed heading Water go as Wet or Water?

I will ask Philip ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 22 March 2015, 10:50:58
Hi Randi...Hanibal says:
I suspect the printed column remains "wet" and there really is a water temp this time, using centigrade and fahrenheit.  One for Philip.

The printed column is Wet, and the surf temp is Water. I remember dealing with that when I did those logs.

Hope this is correct then. :-\  Hope Philip agrees.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 22 March 2015, 10:54:10
I feel like a real pest - but what do I do with this one?  There's no more mention of it on the record of events page. I've put it under 'events'  so far.
4 a.m. 'Compass error 15.5 degrees E'

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6402_0.jpg

(I'm feeling more and more like asking the USN for party money, or at least a box of chocs  ;) :D)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HHTime Ron on 22 March 2015, 11:59:36
Unless compass error is suspected to be a problem with the instrument, the compass error is actually simply a mapping of the natural variations in the magnetic field. 15 degrees is a bunch and scientifically the mapping of variances over time allows for better analysis of the earth's changing magnetosphere.  Are there scientists out there interested in this?  I would think so.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 22 March 2015, 12:23:50
Oh yes there are such scientists - some of them work for Zooniverse's Solar Stormwatch and mine our data for exactly this kind of thing.  Please copy/paste such compass variations to this thread - http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3670.0

We've been sending them stuff for a while and they definitely stop in once and while to collect it.  :)

Hi all!

Thanks for keeping this thread going! I've checked with Chris and he says that the compass deviations are definitely worth recording - so thanks for looking out for them (as well as any aurora sightings)  and putting them here. :)

We are still working on the USS Jeannette records - there is so much information in those logs as well as an incredible story. Once that is done the other ships will get some attention.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 22 March 2015, 12:30:04
Wow - didn't imagine it was that sort of thing! Thanks so much HHTime Ron and Janet. I'll pull those compass errors back up and post them in the other thread.
You really do live an learn here  :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 23 March 2015, 09:03:23
Confirmation from Philip:
I'm not sure if we should congratulate the log-keepers on going above and beyond the call of duty with extra measurements, or chastise them for messing up a perfectly clearly-laid out logbook by putting data in  the wrong columns.

In this case, if we are confident that the 'water' temperature is actually 'wet bulb' please enter it as 'wet bulb' (even on pages where they have forgotten to correct the column entry).

Please do input the ' surf temp' as water temperature whenever it's there - sea-temperatures are particularly useful observations.

Thanks, Philip

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 23 March 2015, 16:06:29
Excellent - I'd already adjusted my first page after Hanibal's comments. It's good to get the boss's confirmation  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 24 March 2015, 14:10:54
So excited - the USS Patterson specifies what stars she used in her lat&longs in the early hours:
16/11/1913
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6411_0.jpg

3-45 phi- 22 degrees 48 lambda 157 degrees 13. Polaris, & Arcturis  Regulus & Denebola
6:00 phi- 22 degrees 33 lambda 157 degrees 13. Polaris, & Arcturis  Rigel and Venus
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 March 2015, 14:16:07
 8)



For those who haven't seen this notation before:
Quote from: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=639.msg5577#msg5577
Φ or φ - Greek letter Phi - In cartography and navigation, phi denotes latitude.

Λ or λ - Greek letter Lambda - In cartography and navigation, lambda denotes longitude.
;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 24 March 2015, 16:29:16
Cool!  8) ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 24 March 2015, 17:30:21
I just finished the first half of 1889, and it turns out the next log book has a different format - the same one as from the 1910s, with 2 pages per day and a length of roughly 3 months:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2042/IMG_9047_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2042/IMG_9047_1.jpg

All previous 19th century logs have this format, with 1 page per day and a length of roughly 6 months:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2038/IMG_8709_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2038/IMG_8709_1.jpg

So I looked ahead, and it turns out the one with 2 pages per day is actually more common for the near future - of the nine log books I still have left to do (that I know of - there could be even more), only one of them is one page per day. The rest all follow the other format.



This change doesn't really matter to me - it's been a long time since unusual log formats gave me any trouble.
Just thought I might as well mention it.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 24 March 2015, 17:36:34
I'm glad of this info - I'm yonks behind you - but forewarned is forearmed.  :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 March 2015, 18:10:19
I see that 1889 has a Ther Attached column...
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 25 March 2015, 06:14:45
Ah yes - the 1 page/day format has only the barometer column out of order, but with the other, the Ther Attached column is also out of order.
But the thing with the Water temperature actually being Wet is still there - in the example I posted, it's been explicitly corrected.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 25 March 2015, 12:29:05
URGENT PROBLEM!

I just noticed a very bad mistake that affects every weather page in this log book: In the Hour column, 6 and 7 pm have been swapped.
Example: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2042/IMG_9048_0.jpg

I have no way of knowing whether the sailors corrected for this or not - how should I handle it?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: propriome on 25 March 2015, 13:45:03
Hi Hanibal,

Wait for other advices, but i'd say definitely TWYS since:
- There's no way to tell if logkeepers have inverted readings to respect page error (i'd say it's quite unlikely).
- The time column was not essential (not sure if this has changed in the meantime) since that information could be get from position in the page, and your notice here could be enough warning for those which will treat readings.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 25 March 2015, 13:59:59
I will ask Philip!

Like Matteo, I suspect TWYS is the most practical solution, but Philip may have a better idea.

See: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg105967#msg105967
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 25 March 2015, 14:02:38
- The time column was not essential (not sure if this has changed in the meantime) since that information could be get from position in the page, and your notice here could be enough warning for those which will treat readings.

Philip has asked us to always transcribe the hour. With 24 WRs / day and some irregular formats getting it from the position on the page can be tricky.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 25 March 2015, 14:12:10
Oh golly - the Patterson has such a history of weather page mess-ups. It's jinxed! What worries me is that this is a pre-printed book - other ships must have the same peculiarity surely? Anyone else spotted it at this date?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 25 March 2015, 14:36:20
I doubt any of our current ships are affected - the format affected by this problem is one that only appears on Coast and Geodetic Survey ships, and the only other ships we have from that type are the Pioneer and Yukon, both of which have been completed. So there's nothing more we can do for either of them.
But the Pioneer wasn't active until 1922, so no need to worry about her, and the Yukon was REALLY wacky - more non-standard formats, and weirder ones, than any ship I've seen!

Still, this would be something to watch out for in other CGS ships if we ever get anymore - there are several listed on NavalHistory.net (http://www.naval-history.net/OW-US/USAShipsIndex.htm), a few of which are from this time.



Now, back to the Patterson.
It looks like the 20th century logs are OK. However, the other 19th century log books of this format are all affected - and in some cases, but not all, it's been corrected by switching the numbers around.

Corrected:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2046/IMG_9430_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2049/IMG_9743_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2050/IMG_9850_0.jpg

Not corrected:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2047/IMG_9540_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2048/IMG_9645_0.jpg



Alright, I have to come to a conclusion: I will ignore the printing error - in other words, I will transcribe as if these were perfectly normal logs, and NOT follow strict TWYS.
I believe this is correct because it has been explicitly corrected some of the time, and because it makes more sense that way if you look at how the values go up or down - if you assume the one right below 5 pm is always 6 pm, and the one just above 8 pm is always 7 pm, it just makes more sense.

I know this is rather brash of me to do, but as a veteran with over 4 years of service and plenty of experience with unusual formats and log keeper oddities, I believe my judgement is correct.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 25 March 2015, 14:48:27
Amazing info Hanibal.
But in terms of recording those times I'd rather stick to what Philip wants as he has to juggle the figures down the line. I didn't quite understand what he does want - any clarification from the Mods please?
Thanks.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 25 March 2015, 15:34:14
I'm still waiting to hear from him.
 
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 25 March 2015, 17:27:03
(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-060.gif)  Hanibal94 passes the 70,000 mark!  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-061.gif)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 26 March 2015, 09:38:55
Philip says:

I'm with Hanibal on this - this is an irrelevant typo that the logbook keeper effectively corrected for (by ignoring the error. Please transcribe the page as if the error had been explicitly corrected (as Hanibal is doing).

And thanks for the warning - I'll keep an eye out for the issue in other logs.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 26 March 2015, 12:03:01
Ah, so I was right - thanks for clarifying, Philip!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 26 March 2015, 13:13:48
Cool stuff Hanibal and Philip!  8) 8) :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 26 March 2015, 15:27:53
A confession by the weather keepers of the Patterson:
"Mid to Meridian: Quartermaster of the watch made weather observations at 1:30"

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6417_1.jpg

Does this need to go to Philip please? I put it in the 'events' box
Thanks,

J
------------
Hang on - the next day it's marked as making weather obs for the weather bureau. There's been a similar comment on previous days and it's clearly not to do with the main grid.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 26 March 2015, 16:26:44
EEK! Look out! It's a giant, scary floating hand!

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2042/IMG_9101_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 26 March 2015, 16:28:58
 :o :o :o  ;D  That just looks so scary!

Just someone at the scanning unit trying to lend a hand  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 26 March 2015, 17:44:48
And there's mention of a pirate in the Remarks  :o
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 26 March 2015, 17:48:15
I think Pirate refers to a boat or a sister-ship, given the context - I've seen it mentioned before, along with one called Vixen.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 26 March 2015, 18:30:01
Aww, don't spoil the mystery, Hanibal. This is the stuff of suspense novels.  ;D :P
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 26 March 2015, 19:17:35
Whew... another big session done. Today, I did all of August and September 1889, and a bit of October as well because it was in the same log.
That's over 1500 WR. Not my personal best, but still a good day's work.

Zzzzzzzzzz.

(http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/118/4/2/dash_sleeping_by_stinkehund-d3f3enz.png)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 26 March 2015, 21:44:23
Sleep well, Hanibal.  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 27 March 2015, 11:49:47
Bad boy! 25/11/1913
RRH Dachner Ch. W O. was discharged and paid in full to date 129.62 dollars. Not recommended for re-enlistment. After repeated warnings caused trouble among galley force and when reprimanded was insolent.  ::) >:(

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6420_0.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 27 March 2015, 14:04:42
Good thing you got rid of him, Joan.
After all, you are judged by the company you keep.
 ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 27 March 2015, 14:10:02
 ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 28 March 2015, 05:40:02
4th December 1913: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6429_0.jpg

Lovely warm weather in Honolulu, Christmas just around the corner...but they are certainly feeling low, in a depression, and under the weather:

(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/633/oez7h9.jpg)

 21.99 inches? ::) ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 29 March 2015, 15:52:23
AvastMH passes the 7000 mark!



 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 29 March 2015, 16:29:05
Awwww - cheers! :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 29 March 2015, 16:30:28
Good work, Joan - I'm very pleased to see you contributing again after a rather long absence.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 29 March 2015, 17:20:07
Awwww - cheers again, Cap'n!   :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 30 March 2015, 11:24:01
Congratulations Joan - just as I was creeping up behind you!  I've had no internet for the last four days and have bad OW withdrawal symptoms.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 30 March 2015, 12:09:25
Oh, I've been there when on vacation. Great to have you back too, Helen!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 30 March 2015, 13:12:21
Great to have you back Helen. Take a few deep breaths - you ARE back on board - your addiction can be fed.  :o ;D

Yep - I heard your feet coming down the deck planks towards me - gave me a bit of a push - THANKS for that - I needed it!  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 30 March 2015, 14:04:20
Glad to have helped, Joan!  Yes, it's good to be back - four days with no internet, no e-mails, no phone - not good at all!  Especially at this time of year when I need to research arcane matters like what to do with the incense on Maundy Thursday, and how to bless an Easter Garden!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 30 March 2015, 16:42:36
What DO you do with the incense from Maundy Thursday?  :-\

The University officially closes on MT - this confuses nearly all members of staff. Many, from abroad, have never even heard of MT needless to say, let alone Maundy Money.  When I tell them about it they look at me as if I were mad. :-\ ::)

Hope all goes well over Easter...it is a very profound celebration.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 30 March 2015, 16:46:46
..., and how to bless an Easter Garden!

Holy water?
 ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 30 March 2015, 17:24:14
What DO you do with the incense from Maundy Thursday?  :-\

The University officially closes on MT - this confuses nearly all members of staff. Many, from abroad, have never even heard of MT needless to say, let alone Maundy Money.  When I tell them about it they look at me as if I were mad. :-\ ::)

I've heard of it, but only because it's a public holiday in the very Christian state of Bavaria. The German name literally means "Green Thursday" - no idea why.

Gotta admit, Helen's comment on arcane matters makes me think she's doing stuff like this:

(http://dnd4.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/excerpt_4e_archmage.jpg)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 30 March 2015, 17:25:01
..., and how to bless an Easter Garden!

Holy water?
 ;D

Holy Hand Grenade? That'll make your party go off with a bang!
(Assuming you know how to count to three...)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 30 March 2015, 18:18:32
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 31 March 2015, 13:05:43
I LOVE that picture Hanibal - that would surprise everyone! 

I'm afraid it's all going to be rather less dramatic.  The Maundy Thursday incense is to bless the bread and wine and the altar and anyone who's around; there are some very complicated ways of doing this with circles and swings and wandering backwards and forwards, but I'm trying to find a somewhat simpler pattern for my first attempt.  This will come after I've done the footwashing and before I've taken the reserved sacrament off to the altar of repose, which in the church I'll be in is somehow combined with a large lump of coal (don't ask ....)

Holy water would be very appropriate for blessing the Easter garden, but I don't think they use it at the church where I'll be doing the blessing, so it's probably just going to be an appropriate prayer or two.  On the other hand, I will have blessed a whole lot of water in the font earlier in the morning, and splashed it all over the congregation, so perhaps I could hang on to some ....  :D

Being serious, I'm looking forward to my first Easter as a priest - lots of new things to do.  Also means I'll be out lots of evenings, so perhaps less transcribing this week.  Though I'll try to get here at other times of the day.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 31 March 2015, 14:43:00
I find priesting for your first Easter much more fascinating.  Go with that this week.  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 31 March 2015, 16:45:06
Got an unusual case of a duplicate page: It was logged twice for no apparent reason, but a side-by-side comparison shows all the data are the same:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2044/IMG_9255_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2044/IMG_9256_0.jpg

Therefore, I only transcribed the first and skipped the second.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 31 March 2015, 16:52:55
Handled correctly, Hanibal.  Whoever was putting the decklogs into the clean log must have walked away, and then forgot to check which date was last done when they came back.  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 01 April 2015, 15:51:03
1st April 1914. 101 Years ago today:
U.S.C.R. Thetis moored to Naval Wharf No1 between 8 and 9

Hello Thetis!!! ;D

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2015%20-%20April%201%20-%20June%2030,%201914/IMG_6469_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 03 April 2015, 17:22:32
End of March 1914 and the ship needs some TLC!

Repairs Remarks:
Renew deck planking around port pantry light. East.
Foot of mainmast needs a covering where it passes through coal bunker.
Some of the knees on both port and starboard sides are badly split.
Spanker boom is rotten.
Rail on starboard side between launch davit and gig davits shows signs of loosening.
An adjustable collar is needed around the rudder head to prevent rudder from working. Quadrant has worked loose from rudder head several times.
The floor planks in wings of bridge are rotten. Steps leading  to bridge are worn.
New accommodation ladder needed.
Steps in ladder at forward companionway are worn.
Port alley way. Large seam inside of waterway - leaks on dynamo.
Leak under port water closet. Drain from ice chest should be led over board.
Coaming on hatch from berth deck to chain lockers is worn out - one of the floor beams has been chafed almost through.
Air vent and pipes for filling forward oil tanks are broken.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6458_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 April 2015, 17:46:36
Good thing you are on vacation ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 03 April 2015, 17:48:56
Good thing I'm on vacation too - as Captain, I bet I would be the first one to get in trouble for this!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 03 April 2015, 18:08:39
Nah - you wouldn't be there to take the blame! After being electrocuted by the water running past the dynamo and the toilet, being flattened by a rotten spanker, and then breaking your leg on the worn staircase to the Bridge you'd be tucked up in a nice cosy Naval Hospital bed  :o ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 04 April 2015, 10:20:04
Nah - you wouldn't be there to take the blame! After being electrocuted by the water running past the dynamo and the toilet, being flattened by a rotten spanker, and then breaking your leg on the worn staircase to the Bridge you'd be tucked up in a nice cosy Naval Hospital bed  :o ;D

 :D :D :D  One of the hazards of wooden ships I guess - I remember being amazed when I first started on OW at how much time was spent on maintenance; this list gives a good idea of why!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 09 April 2015, 06:26:03
I just started a new log book (October 28th - Dec 31st 1890), and it has some oddities:

- The printing mistake where 6 and 7 pm get swapped (I mentioned this before (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg105967#msg105967))
- Wind direction and weather code are almost never recorded
- The integer part of barometer readings is only written down for the first record, and whenever it changes from 29.XX to 30.XX and vice-versa.

Here's an example page with all of these things: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2045/IMG_9401_0.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 09 April 2015, 10:07:25
I'll tell Philip it's still happening.  Continue to TWYS, Hanibal, correcting the printing error as you go.  (Sigh.  You would think surveyors of all people would be more precise in their numbers.) 
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 10 April 2015, 10:14:12
50% Complete!



About time too - this ship is taking forever!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 10 April 2015, 10:36:33
Yeeeeeeeeeha!  Amazing!

Then again I'm glad to hear that we have not yet run out of the Patterson's delightfully mis-printed, mis-filled-in, poorly noted weather records.  ::) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 10 April 2015, 11:40:59
Just remember that we don't want to finish all the ships we have before the new ships come on line!
My fingers start to tremble at the mere thought of not having pages to transcribe :o
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 10 April 2015, 13:01:10
I don't think we need to worry about finishing Patterson too soon - it's taken us a long time to reach the half way mark.  And once hanibal finishes (which isn't all that far off) I suspect our rate is going to slow down!  But we've reached the top of the mountain, and that's encouraging; not quite all downhill from now on, but it's definitely an important moment.   ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 10 April 2015, 13:17:58
Well done, everyone!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 10 April 2015, 14:25:53
Good work!  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 10 April 2015, 14:34:56
Helen J passes the 7000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 15 April 2015, 07:59:14
On this page (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2046/IMG_9463_1.jpg), August 25th 1890, I noticed the following sentence, third and fourth lines from the top:

Quote
Ensign Hocum; Vixen was sent to make a reconnainsance, of the southern limit of the sheet.

I believe the sheet is an ice sheet, so I entered this sentence as a Sea Ice mention. Have I done the right thing?

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 15 April 2015, 08:19:11
I'd stay with that - when I looked up Barlow Cove in Geographical Names, their satellite view of the area shows at least 1 glacier nearby in modern times.  That makes ice in August believable to me.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 15 April 2015, 08:31:30
I agree ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 16 April 2015, 07:39:02
Hi Helen...I just got a duplicated scanned page (10th June). I didn't spot this until I'd done it (sigh!).  Just thought it would be worth letting you know as I found another one a week or so back (our time, not in log page  dates).
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 16 April 2015, 08:28:53
asterix135 reported every duplicate up to and including May 1918.
After that, the logs jump back to Feb 1885.

Here's the post where he reported June 10th 1914 - I suggest Helen and Joan use this topic to keep track of duplicates, like I did.
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3383.msg74414#msg74414
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 16 April 2015, 09:19:15
Thanks so much Hanibal! I thought I'd seen one...thanks for finding it.  :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 16 April 2015, 10:36:17
*Sigh* - I have found another weird thing: Multiple wind directions!
For example, the 4 pm entry on this page: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2046/IMG_9472_0.jpg

I believe the correct way to handle this is to make two entries for 4 pm: One containing the first wind direction (SE - SSE) and everything else in that row, the other only containing the hour and the second wind direction.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 16 April 2015, 12:06:57
True, and the second wind direction would be at 4.30pm.  Back in the 19th century, wind shifts really mattered to sailors.  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 16 April 2015, 13:53:09
AARGH!  Excuse me while I gently bang my head against a wall .... Patterson's log keepers are maintaining their reputation for constant change.  I'm getting somewhat accustomed to looking out for surface water temps at the left of the log page, which appear and disappear apparently at random.  But now they've begun to put them at the right of the weather record - for one day - and then the next day, guess what - back to the left again.  I expect it's probably helping to keep my brain cells active.   :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 April 2015, 14:02:48
I would normally have said just the wind direction at 3:30 and all the data at 4:00.
However, the bracket confuses me. That makes it seem like just one entry :-\

See this post and the one following it: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3337.msg105982#msg105982
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 16 April 2015, 14:37:34
AARGH!  Excuse me while I gently bang my head against a wall .... Patterson's log keepers are maintaining their reputation for constant change.  I'm getting somewhat accustomed to looking out for surface water temps at the left of the log page, which appear and disappear apparently at random.  But now they've begun to put them at the right of the weather record - for one day - and then the next day, guess what - back to the left again.  I expect it's probably helping to keep my brain cells active.   :D

They really do keep finding new ways of noting something to do with the weather. Who could imagine such flexibility in a perfectly useful pre-printed grid? ::)
I just put out a mention of 'Shipopoly'...if you have a look at Community Chest you'll recognize one card for sure....  ;) :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 16 April 2015, 14:50:27
I would normally have said just the wind direction at 3:30 and all the data at 4:00.
However, the bracket confuses me. That makes it seem like just one entry :-\

See this post and the one following it: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3337.msg105982#msg105982

I believe the brackets are there to show it is the same hour, so I entered 4 pm as the hour for both observations.
Is that correct? It's still unclear to me...
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 April 2015, 15:01:01
I would probably do just one 4pm entry with both wind directions...
(given the bracket and Philip's comment - http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3337.msg106019#msg106019)

This is a really wierd case, and I don't think there is one "right" answer.

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 16 April 2015, 15:06:05
I would probably do just one 4pm entry with both wind directions...
(given the bracket and Philip's comment - http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3337.msg106019#msg106019)

That makes more sense, actually. Could you please ask Philip which he would prefer?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 16 April 2015, 15:48:54
You certainly can, but I don't think which hour you use is going to matter.  Philip has said he wants both readings separately and you have already given him that.  Whether it is at 4pm or 4.30pm is very slight.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 April 2015, 16:19:05
I asked Philip ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 17 April 2015, 04:42:05
I just put out a mention of 'Shipopoly'...if you have a look at Community Chest you'll recognize one card for sure....  ;) :D

Yeah, I saw that one - it would be SO ironic if I ever got it!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 17 April 2015, 07:48:26
Frankly, if the writing were less legible I'd ask if we could pin a four star warning on the main page for this one.  ::)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 April 2015, 09:42:12
Philip says that one observation, with 'SE-SSE SW-South' as the wind direction, will be the easiest for him to process.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 17 April 2015, 09:45:52
If that's what he wants, then that's what he shall get. I changed it and will follow that format for any future cases.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 April 2015, 09:51:40
Thanks, Hanibal94!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 April 2015, 10:33:45
AvastMH passes the 8000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 April 2015, 10:34:26
(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-060.gif)  Hanibal94 passes the 80,000 mark!  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-061.gif)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 17 April 2015, 10:35:33
Congratulations to you both! 

80,000 is truly impressive, hanibal94 - you must be getting near the end of the logs by now?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 17 April 2015, 13:14:31
Thanks Helen - you're not far off 8K!

Hanibal - awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwesome!  :o ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 17 April 2015, 17:29:19
80,000 is truly impressive, hanibal94 - you must be getting near the end of the logs by now?

Hard to tell - my personal to-do list doesn't have much left:

Quote
46.  July 23rd, 1890 - October 27th, 1890
From Portage Bay, Southeast Alaska to San Francisco

47.  January 1st, 1891 - April 5th, 1891
Sitting around in Mare Island the whole time

48.  April 6th, 1891 - June 30th, 1891
From Mare Island, California to Shoalwater Pass,  Alaska

49.  July 1st, 1891 - Sep 30th, 1891
From Shoalwater Pass,  Alaska to Departure Bay, British Columbia

50.  January 1st, 1892 - March 31st, 1892
From Mare Island, California to Unknown

However, there is a slight problem regarding page URL structure on this ship.
As you may know, most page URLs contain a log book number, and a page number that is reset every time a new log book is started.
But with the Patterson, the page number is NOT reset - it just keeps growing!

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2043/IMG_9150_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2044/IMG_9249_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2045/IMG_9353_0.jpg

With the furthest log book I know of, the last page I can access looks like this:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2050/IMG_9899_0.jpg

If I enter a higher page number, I just get error messages.
So there could be more logs after this, but I cannot currently find out because of bad URL structure.
All I can do is keep pushing onwards, and hope for answers - eventually.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 April 2015, 18:35:31
Patterson is one of the earlier ships, Hanibal, done quickly because we finished the RN fleet a full year sooner than we should have been able to.  The other ships' urls allow the scanners to know which book on the archives shelves is being scanned.  Because it makes their life easier as well as ours, this accumulated page number thing won't repeat.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 18 April 2015, 06:15:21
Good to know - thanks, Janet!

At least the Patterson is the only active vessel left that has this bad page number thing - the Pioneer and Yukon had it too, but they're done.
Maybe some other completed vessels have it too- I didn't check them all.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 18 April 2015, 07:42:29
Don't bother checking them - done is done.  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 18 April 2015, 16:07:24
Hi Helen,
I'm just dong the 'preamble' pages of the log book for July - Sept 1914.  :D

Done - and onto 01/07/1914  :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 19 April 2015, 10:19:46
Thanks Joan - I was editing yesterday; hope to get to Patterson today.  Then I'm away for a few days so will probably not have time for any transcribing.  I may manage to keep an eye on the Forum but that's about it.   I expect you'll be well ahead of me by the time I get home again!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 19 April 2015, 11:32:51
Have a good break away Helen. I just opened up July 7 th and it's horrid...stuff all over the place. And stacks of notes, plus the pages are poorly scanned (bits of 'remarks' on the weather page, and chopped off remarks on 'remarks')...eek! So I'll try to get through the current mess before you get back.  :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 19 April 2015, 11:51:55
Gina has said that if a page is badly scanned, she may be able to rescan it.
A whole book would obviously be impractical, but a few pages souldn't be a problem.
She has been very helpful!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 19 April 2015, 13:32:58
Have a good break away Helen. I just opened up July 7 th and it's horrid...stuff all over the place. And stacks of notes, plus the pages are poorly scanned (bits of 'remarks' on the weather page, and chopped off remarks on 'remarks')...eek! So I'll try to get through the current mess before you get back.  :D

I've just got July 7th, which was fine - so thank you for getting through all the horrid stuff for me/us!  I just got two straightforward pages, and am now on July 8th.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 20 April 2015, 11:39:21
ANOTHER oddity: On this page, (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2047/IMG_9544_0.jpg) the Air column says "Therm broken".
However, the column on the left is full of numbers that could be the Air (Dry) values - I have decided to assume they are, and enter them in the respective box.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 20 April 2015, 13:22:20
Gina has said that if a page is badly scanned, she may be able to rescan it.
A whole book would obviously be impractical, but a few pages souldn't be a problem.
She has been very helpful!
Oh don't worry about that. I'm sure Gina has lots to do - bless. Anyway, it wouldn't have been half the problem it was (writing on every tiny space of paper  ::)) if the volcano on Pavlof hadn't blown its top  :o :-)  I just use the 'snip' function to take pics, pop them into powerpoint and use notepad to sort out the text - then it's back to OW to put in the events etc. Easy-peasy. Just didn't want to find that Helen and I were doing that huge page at the same time - that'd be a right waste  :D

AND - Asterix had already done it and it's already on the Alaska Volcano site. But I'm STILL really excited to find it. I think we get another on in October 1914  :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 20 April 2015, 13:23:56
ANOTHER oddity: On this page, (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2047/IMG_9544_0.jpg) the Air column says "Therm broken".
However, the column on the left is full of numbers that could be the Air (Dry) values - I have decided to assume they are, and enter them in the respective box.

 ;D that's the Patterson for you! Broken thermometer and still taking the readings. Fab - dedication in action  ::) ;) :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 20 April 2015, 14:27:24
Helen J passes the 8000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 20 April 2015, 17:15:37
Yeeeeeha! Well done Helen!
  (thinks to self - 'Better get a move on'  :D)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 21 April 2015, 08:11:32
You've got a few days to get a healthy lead before I'm back on deck ....
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 22 April 2015, 10:50:25
Due to the huge amount of errors and oddities plaguing these logs, I have decided to create a handy little index to make it easier to find solutions.
You can find it at the bottom of the first post of this topic - I hope this helps someone.

List of common oddities and errors in the logs:

The Patterson has an unusually high number of problems and issues in her logs. These are listed here, along with links to how we should handle them.

Logs from the 1910s:

  • Extra weather entries: Transcribe as written. (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg59076#msg59076)
  • Messed up columns: Follow this pattern (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg66149#msg66149). (Click here for confirmation from the PTB) (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg66244#msg66244)
  • Water temperatures way on the left: Look carefully for these. (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg98867#msg98867)
  • Switch from F to C: TWYS and carry on. (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg73993#msg73993)
  • Corrected entries: Transcribe the red values, ignore the black ones. (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4014.0)
  • Incorrect dates: Transcribe as written. (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg78193#msg78193) (Another example: here (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg78421#msg78421))
  • Very messed up columns: Transcribe F temperature as Water, no matter where it is on the page. (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg81345#msg81345)

Logs from the 19th century:

  • "Same bulb dry" instead of values: Type the appropriate number in the place. (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg100202#msg100202)
  • Grey values written over black ones: Transcribe black, ignore grey. (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg104710#msg104710)
  • Double entries: Transcribe as written. (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg104844#msg104844)
  • Printing errors in the logbooks: Description (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg105920#msg105920) and solution. (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg105967#msg105967)
  • Multiple wind directions with brackets: Description (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg106846#msg106846) and solution. (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg106886#msg106886)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 22 April 2015, 10:52:50
Good idea.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 22 April 2015, 11:33:03
Thanks, Hanibal. That is very useful.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 22 April 2015, 12:54:29
Cool, Hanibal, thank you.  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 22 April 2015, 13:31:12
Thanks Hanibal, excellent idea.  It will save me spending time hunting them down and give me more time to transcribe!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 22 April 2015, 15:34:05
I think it's brilliant.  ;D

In fact it sorted of crossed my mind that every ship ought to have such a log - either on discussion, or on the reference page. Perhaps teh Shipherds/Captains might think about this?
I hate inventing jobs, but it can be hard work preening back through hundreds of thread comments for something you're SURE you saw last week (and it was really 3 months ago  ::) ;D )

Hmmm.. actually it would be great if there were thread that anyone on the crew could pop an entry into - rather than burden one person. the Captain/Shipherd need only then act as a moderator to keep those notices on track...is this possible please?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 22 April 2015, 16:27:49
I agree, although I don't think too many other ships will have this many problems.
I think the Discussion topics are the best place to work out solutions. Anyone can post and an additional topic would probably lead to confusion over what question/comment goes where. We can put a summary at the beginning just like Hanibal94 has here.

(I will try to add general cases to TWYS ::))
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 22 April 2015, 16:38:25
How did I never notice that I can modify other messages in the thread?  Ummmm...ummmmm... ::)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 22 April 2015, 16:40:30
Moderator perks, to be used with politeness (which usually means a red-letter editor's note owning to the changes and maybe a PM notifying them.)  ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 22 April 2015, 18:07:41
Oh so true Janet!  You always need to behave with respect in someone else's house  ;) :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 23 April 2015, 04:58:48
I agree, although I don't think too many other ships will have this many problems.
I think the Discussion topics are the best place to work out solutions. Anyone can post and an additional topic would probably lead to confusion over what question/comment goes where. We can put a summary at the beginning just like Hanibal94 has here.

Sounds fine to me - the Patterson really is a rare exception. Most ships don't even come close to her level of messiness.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 23 April 2015, 05:00:11
 ;D It is award-winning messiness for sure.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 23 April 2015, 11:44:42
And Hanibal has encouraged me to join this ship. You must want to make me suffer. I could be cruising along peacefully on the Yorktown  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 23 April 2015, 13:07:07
Thanks for signing up, Craig! We can seriously use a man like you on board.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 23 April 2015, 15:48:17
(hey Helen - we're going to have to stick together  ;) ;) ;D  Go the girls!)

Welcome Craig! - it's nice to share the suffering fun with another fine crew member  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 23 April 2015, 16:35:39
(31st Aug 1914) Whoever should have got the steam going is probably working the wheelbarrow  ;) ;D

8:35 [a.m.] Began coaling, - using wheelbarrows, as there was no steam on the boiler.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2016/IMG_6635_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 23 April 2015, 16:40:22
 ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 23 April 2015, 17:37:25
Back home, very tired, but it's been a good conference.  I should be back on board tomorrow - so don't worry Joan, I haven't deserted you!  It will be good to have another experienced crew member - so thanks for taking on the good ship Patterson, Craig.  :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 23 April 2015, 18:07:29
I am glad to be here with you, Joan and Helen. I would rather be elsewhere with you both, though - say, at a fine restaurant  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 24 April 2015, 02:43:22
I like having all three of you here, but I wouldn't mind being elsewhere with you either - how about the beach?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 24 April 2015, 05:23:09
I LOVE BEACHES! I LOVE LOOKING AT THE SEA! The whiff of ozone fills my heart with joy....and it would be lovely if we could all go.  :D
SO - which beach shall we go to?  8)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 24 April 2015, 08:51:32
Love beaches too - and one with a fine restaurant with a table looking over the sea would be even better!  Which beach would be equidistant between all four of us?   ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 24 April 2015, 09:30:04
I would like to suggest the Canary Islands - really great place (I was there in 2009 with my dad and older brother), and they're not too far away for me, Joan or Helen.
Craig, however, will need to fly a bit.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 24 April 2015, 11:18:42
Where's Craig - I can't recall now?
There's a fab restaurant on Lanzarote which teaches top chef's and waiters how to cook and wait. Went there about 21 years ago (NO! surely it was only yesterday?  :o ). It was very good - yummy yummy food, lovely place over looking a tiny fishing harbour.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 24 April 2015, 18:02:34
Her launches may have been breaking down all over the shop, but some had it worse:  ::)
Patterson  20/09/1914.
9:00 P.M. received wireless news of stranding of U.S.R.C. Tahoma.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2016/IMG_6655_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 24 April 2015, 18:06:02
Keep an eye out for her doing this:

Quote
28 September 1914 - Rescued 29 crew of USRC Tahoma after she ran aground on an uncharted rock in the Aleutians and sank.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 24 April 2015, 18:07:21
 :'( :'( :'( OR ;D ;D ;D ?

What a pair!  ::)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 25 April 2015, 11:39:07
I found some notes on the barometer and thermometers in the initial pages of the July 1st - September 30th 1891 logbook:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2049/IMG_9737_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 25 April 2015, 12:53:32
 :o ::)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 25 April 2015, 13:33:58
 ::) ::) ::)
sums the Patterson up very well indeed  :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 25 April 2015, 14:30:05
I guess I'll just skip them then  ;D :P
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 25 April 2015, 14:40:43
 :o   >:(

Teaser. ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 25 April 2015, 15:17:16
I'm tempted because they have been recording temperatures with one decimal place. This seems silly when they know the thermometers are not accurate. I assume they are entering the decimal because the instruments are calibrated in Celsius but it won't help if they are not accurate.

But, since people are watching me I don't dare.  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 25 April 2015, 15:20:52
Dean did say that his boat is available for an attempt at keelhauling...
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 25 April 2015, 16:09:11
Let's wait until the lake warms up a bit.  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 26 April 2015, 06:28:18
gastcra (Craig)
[belated]
Welcome to the top 12 !
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 26 April 2015, 06:30:08
gastcra (Craig) passes the 500, 1000 and 1500 marks!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 26 April 2015, 08:05:58
How many?   ;D ;D ;D  (where's my skates - I need to get them on fast!)
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/120x120q90/661/b69P2U.jpg)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 26 April 2015, 08:11:42
It may look impressive, Joan but it's not REMARKable.  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 26 April 2015, 16:15:03
REMARKable  or not, great to have you on board Craig.
I look forward to seeing you bring this ship forwards by a lot.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 28 April 2015, 07:43:36
I just found oddity No. way-too-fudging-many: At around 12 am, the log keeper got tired of writing dittos in the weather code column, and just drew a single line up to and excluding 10 pm.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2049/IMG_9796_0.jpg

Since 4 pm is blank, I left it blank. For the rest of 12 am to 9 pm, I entered a ditto as the weather code.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 28 April 2015, 08:02:01
I would assume that  4 PM is also ditto since he didn't enter a code but we're not supposed to assume.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 28 April 2015, 09:46:10
Hanibal, that is a group ditto I was taught to use on the job while taking inventory in the factories I worked in - in all 4 companies I worked at in 3 states.  I rarely if ever see it outside of inventories, but then I rarely see a chance to use it outside of inventories.  Visually, it is much easier to read and gives the auditors the information that an entire group of items are all on "rack 3, north balcony" or where ever.  Easier on the writers also, although I notice a lot of breaks in your line indicating he was not over-predicting continued sunny weather.  I'm thinking your writer has been employed taking inventory for auditors someplace before shipping off on Patterson.

And you are right, if he left the line blank you should too.  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 28 April 2015, 11:10:35
I just finished log book 49 (July - Sep 1891), and have been presented with log book 51 (Oct - Dec 1891) instead of log book 50 (Jan - Mar 1892).
Then I took a look and found out that there are still six more log books I didn't know about, so I added them to the list on page 10 of this topic.
I didn't know until now because of those stupid weird URLs.

*Sigh*... This is awful. I was hoping I could finish the ship soon, but it appears to be way, WAY bigger than I thought. Now I'll have to go past 100.000 WR to get her done.
I think I'll take a break and do the Jamestown 1866 instead. She's a lot more predictable than this mess.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 28 April 2015, 13:08:07
She does feel like a bottomless pit of logbooks!  A break sounds like a very good idea - she'll still be here when you get back ....  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 28 April 2015, 17:50:45
 Yes - take a break from chaos Hanibal! - enjoy Jamestown.  :D When you are feeling freshened up we'll be happy to send out the steam launch to pick you up!  ;) :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 29 April 2015, 04:51:02
Well, I won't be completely gone - I've decided to contribute five dates (weather and events page) per day, like I do with the Concord.
That way, she'll at least be a little smaller when I come back.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 29 April 2015, 08:09:49
The Patterson is a gift that keeps on giving.  ;D  I can say that now (while docked in Seattle) because, despite the unconventional column order, the odd-numbered hours are either blank or only have air pressure recorded. This will continue until March 1915. After that, I expect the worst.  :(
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 29 April 2015, 09:01:07
Well, I won't be completely gone - I've decided to contribute five dates (weather and events page) per day, like I do with the Concord.
That way, she'll at least be a little smaller when I come back.

Good idea ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 29 April 2015, 12:58:09
The Patterson is a gift that keeps on giving.  ;D  I can say that now (while docked in Seattle) because, despite the unconventional column order, the odd-numbered hours are either blank or only have air pressure recorded. This will continue until March 1915. After that, I expect the worst.  :(

Yup, they do that a lot ...  It does speed up the transcription quite a bit.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 02 May 2015, 07:01:53
Just got to Oct 1st 1915...suddenly attached therm is finally in centigrade.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2019/IMG_6888_0.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 02 May 2015, 07:15:37
I just got to Oct. 1 to, Joan. We are doing the same pages.

Log books skipped from March 31 to Oct 1. April to September missing. Hanibal has probably noted this previously.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 02 May 2015, 07:19:14
Ah - that's why I didn't get a remarks page...thought there was some other shipmate on watch  ;D

I HATE this new log keeper...what's he using? a microscope to annotate the details? :o  New rogue....Lieutenant Microscope  ::)

I'm off for a break..and to make sure the Penguins are behaving  ;)  :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 02 May 2015, 07:28:53
I agree, Joan. It was going so well in March 1915. Don't even know where they are now. They mention Castle Rock.

You can take over again about 13:00 GMT. I'll be going out then.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 02 May 2015, 07:56:30
Hi Craig! They were at Sandy Cove yesterday: Sandy Cove   55.03   -159.36  http://www.geonames.org/5873365/sandy-cove.html

They'll have to head south sometime in the next few weeks - so I wonder where we'll spend the winter?  ;)

okay - I'll be back in an hour or so  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 02 May 2015, 07:58:24
Anywhere, as long as we get the former log keeper back  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 02 May 2015, 16:26:13
Log books skipped from March 31 to Oct 1. April to September missing. Hanibal has probably noted this previously.

I have. These logs are not missing - they're just out of order. You'll get July to September next, then April to June.
See page 10 of this topic for the full list.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 02 May 2015, 16:58:07
Oooo - I say! We're at winter anchorage in Kodiak Harbor - sorry Craig, the delights of Hawaii will have to wait eh?  ::) :D

16th Oct 1915  A HIDEOUS  weather day...up to Force 12 wind, with squally weather, temperature dipping below zero  (though the barometer is clearly somewhere relatively cosy  ;) )
oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS Patterson/Book 19/IMG_6903_0.jpg & _1.jpg

What a day!  "Order was passed to get all records and sheets together"  :o
Extra tot of rum all round after this little lot I should think!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Between 2:PM and 3 PM wind abating. At about 3:30 the gale suddenly increased. Sea becoming very choppy. Ship rolling lightly at anchor. About 4:00 PM both anchors began dragging, 4:20 Commenced heaving up anchor, as soon as all steam was up. Gale increasing, ship failed to manoeuver clear of marked reef and was carried by wind over reef. 4:30 Ship apparently in storm centre - gale shifting to all quarters of the horizon, prevailing wind S.W.
Commanding Officer on the bridge, Mr Seran on the bow, Mr Herberger ordered on the bridge to assist C.O.; Mr Giacomini in charge on quarter deck & at steering gear.
Ship backing and filling between reef and S.W. Shore of Near Id.; could not manoeuver out on account of shifting gale.
Order was passed to get all records and sheets together. At about 6:10 with ship's bow hard inshore. The fore staysail was hoisted. A sudden squall from the SW swung the bow off shore; Ship passed clear, into Kodiak outer harbor. 6:20 Anchored in 11fms - stbd. anchor 75 fms, port anchor 60 fms chain
Ship grounded lightly on 2fm spot.
8:00 PM Commenced heaving anchor, ran to another anchorage, 8:47 anchored in 13.4 fms  75 stbd; 60 fms chain port anchor.
Weather: Overcast, thick haze, strong gale shifting, latter part of day gale from N.W; sea: very choppy
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 02 May 2015, 17:05:38
That is dramatic!  I should have carried on for one more day and I could have experienced it - I had noticed the wind rising over the last few days I transcribed.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 02 May 2015, 17:23:33
It was a fun read - I exclaimed aloud when I read about the books being gathered up just in case! What made me laugh was the ever rising temperature at the barometer - somewhere nearby was nice and cosy 10.5C as against -2.5 outside. I seem to recall that the Rodgers had nice warm cabins too - quite tropical some days. ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 02 May 2015, 18:09:28
Who says survey ships are boring?   8)

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 03 May 2015, 11:28:44
I almost got us to Port Townsend. It will be nice if the logs get a bit easier when in port. It was slow going coming from Kodiak.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 03 May 2015, 13:48:55
Made it to Port Townsend - though they may be wishing they hadn't ....

Berth deck and C. Olsen's room fumigated (sulphur pots).  Crew's quarters arranged ashore. Personal effects of crew steamed.

I'm boggling a bit about what they would have steamed - I'm hoping it's just clothes.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 May 2015, 13:56:43
 :o
* Scarlet Fever * (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg77063;topicseen#msg77063)

That must have been a long trip (re asterix135's log entry dated 06/10/1915).
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 03 May 2015, 14:05:56
Thanks Randi, that makes a lot of sense of why they were whisked off into quarantine as soon as they got to Port Townsend.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 May 2015, 15:23:50
(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-060.gif)  Hanibal94 HITS the 90,000 mark!  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-061.gif)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 May 2015, 15:26:46
Helen J passes the 9000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 May 2015, 15:28:45
gastcra (Craig) passes the 2000, 3000, 4000 and 5000 marks!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 03 May 2015, 16:07:41
No one can say this crew isn't trying!   ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 03 May 2015, 17:12:33
Great work everybody! (except me, of course, because I don't wan't to praise myself  ;D)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 03 May 2015, 17:18:32
I had better pull my socks up and get a move on - I'm definitely the crew slouch!  :o  ;) ;D

WELL DONE EVERYONE!!! (http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/hand-gestures/hand-clapping-smiley-emoticon.gif) (http://www.sherv.net/)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 03 May 2015, 17:51:57
Great work Helen and Craig!

While doing my daily contribution, I happened to notice that my number of WR has 24 as a factor - and so does 90.000. So I decided to go ahead and hit the target right in the kisser.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 04 May 2015, 08:18:06
I am now getting the hang of typing the decimals in the temperatures but this has undesirable side effects:  14/11/19.15  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 04 May 2015, 09:07:57
 ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 04 May 2015, 16:15:47
 ;D ;D Ah yes -The Patterson Effect  Enjoy it Craig!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 04 May 2015, 16:26:48
I got so fed up with the barometer punctuation constantly changing that I stopped being rigid about it - as long as the numbers are correct, I don't care whether there's a dot, dash or space between them.

I know this may not be a good idea, but I'm just way too frustrated with these idiot logkeepers.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 04 May 2015, 18:21:39
As long as the computer knows what it is, go for it.  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 04 May 2015, 18:46:32
Philip has said that his software can handle this ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 05 May 2015, 09:33:10
Philip has said that his software can handle this ;)

Ah yeah, he did - thanks for the reminder! Now I can continue in peace without feeling guilty about not getting everything perfectly right.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 06 May 2015, 05:40:22
Got a case of a wrong date:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2051/IMG_9546_0.jpg - Nov 23rd, correct
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2051/IMG_9547_0.jpg - Nov 25th, wrong
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2051/IMG_9548_0.jpg - Nov 25th, correct

I transcribed as written, because we're not allowed to correct for this (but I think we should!)
Just thought it would be worth mentioning.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 06 May 2015, 08:56:32
 ;D

(I know how you feel. Hopefully in Phase 4 there will be a way to correct things like this.)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 07 May 2015, 16:14:13
gastcra (Craig) passes the 6000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 07 May 2015, 17:03:04

How many?!  :o ;D   (http://imageshack.com/a/img540/2377/Vl0n6L.gif)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 07 May 2015, 17:48:46
It may look impressive, Joan, but I haven't made very good progress now that we are back with the hen-scratch log keeper. And the four temps that are trying their best to avoid each other means that I often omit the attached thermometer at first and don't realize it until I am about to enter the weather code in the water temp box. Grrrr.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 10 May 2015, 06:01:39
gastcra (Craig) passes the 7000 and 8000 marks!


 ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 10 May 2015, 14:22:52
Sounds as though I'm back not a minute too soon - get flying fingers!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 10 May 2015, 17:07:42
Welcome back, Helen. I hope you had a good retreat.

You will be pleased to see that we are back in April 1915 and the livin's easy (even though it's not yet summertime): only air pressure in odd hours and not water temps. Not only that, the writing can be made out without the use of a scanning tunneling microscope. But we should be heading out to sea soon so let's enjoy it while we can.  ;D

By the way, the sum of the third stream WRs is only about 500 away from asterix135's count (if it's not there already because of the 39 people below the top 12). This should thin our the ranks of our third stream.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 10 May 2015, 17:13:08
By the way, the sum of the third stream WRs is only about 500 away from asterix135's count (if it's not there already because of the 39 people below the top 12). This should thin our the ranks of our third stream.

asterix135 made it all the way through the 1910's logs before he quit.
So once you guys get through all of those and are sent back to February 1885, you'll get separated - Craig will shoot ahead on stream 2, while Helen, Joan and anyone else follow along on stream 3.

As for me - well, I hope to finish what I'm currently doing in time to return and not lose my captaincy to Craig.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 10 May 2015, 19:27:55
My theory was that when the sum of all the 3rd stream transcribers' WRs passes that of the 2nd stream (which is where we almost are now) then the fastest one of 3rd stream will move into the 2nd stream. I can't figure out how that squares with the fact that we haven't caught up to where asterix135 was yet, though. I guess Zovacor, Helen, Joan, etc. contributed to moving the second stream along before you began, Hanibal. So I can't count that work towards the 3rd stream. If that's the case then you would have passed asterix135's end date before you reached 40K WRs.

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 11 May 2015, 03:07:33
If that's the case then you would have passed asterix135's end date before you reached 40K WRs.

That definitely happened - I don't remember how many WR I had when I passed his end date, but it was less than 40k.
And when I first started, I was at December 1911 - not the very beginning, as one can see from the log book list.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 11 May 2015, 11:16:15
Oh well, I'm in good company in the 3rd stream  :)

Speaking of which, sorry about May 1915 Helen and Joan. I couldn't resist. But I leave you June en route to Ketchikan Alaska.  ;D 
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 11 May 2015, 13:07:36
No need to apologise - I'm always happy to come back and find we've moved a good bit.

Yes, I had a good retreat - felt quite at home, as the chapel in the monastery where I was staying was in the shape of an upturned boat.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 11 May 2015, 13:57:49
 ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 11 May 2015, 15:42:29
Um...amazing numbers hanibal! I'm completely confused, but hey ho! ;) ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 11 May 2015, 15:44:53
I'm with you Joan - can't quite work out the numbers, but am happy just to carry on transcribing.

We've just arrived in Ketchikan, by the way ....
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 11 May 2015, 15:47:08
Oh right - we'll that's nice - I think we've had a stretch in Ketchikan before  - nice to be some where like home  :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 11 May 2015, 16:17:58
M228, I believe ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 11 May 2015, 18:30:38
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 11 May 2015, 19:01:41
OK, let's see if I can explain what's going on.

So, at first the Patterson looked something like this:

1910s logs19th century logs
Stream 1:asterix135 (DONE)
Stream 2:Joan
Stream 3:Zovacor, etc.

Then when I first joined, it became this:

1910s logs19th century logs
Stream 1:asterix135 (DONE)
Stream 2:Hanibal94
Stream 3:Joan, Zovacor, etc.

Now that I have reached the 19th century, and Craig has joined, it looks like this:

1910s logs19th century logs
Stream 1:asterix135 (DONE)Hanibal94
Stream 2:Hanibal94 (DONE)
Stream 3:Craig, Joan, Helen, etc.

And once you guys finish the 1910 logs, it will become this:

1910s logs19th century logs
Stream 1:asterix135 (DONE)Hanibal94
Stream 2:Hanibal94 (DONE)Craig
Stream 3:Craig, Joan, Helen, etc. (DONE)Helen, Joan, etc.


Has this made things clearer for y'all?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 11 May 2015, 19:28:00
Thanks Hanibal. It became clear to me when I realized that my theory only works when there are two leaders all the way through to the point when I apply it.

(I am guessing you and I are the only ones interested in this arcana).
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 12 May 2015, 09:06:51
yep  ;D

It's right over my head!  But that is not to say that I am anything but VERY IMPRESSED by it.  I just look to see who's on the forum and if Helen and or Craig are there I'm working on another ship to save wasted work (3's enough transcriptions, and so it shall be) :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 12 May 2015, 09:45:31
That might not work, Joan, because I check the forum from time to time after I stop transcribing. I stop doing the Patterson about 10 AM my time (GMT-4).
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 12 May 2015, 12:46:40
oh riiiiiiiight! Light bulb comes on etc etc.  That helps :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 12 May 2015, 14:09:31
And I can also be signed into the Forum while editing rather than transcribing ....  For what it's worth I won't be on Patterson today - there's been too much to do and too little day to go round.   :(
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 12 May 2015, 19:57:25
Hope tomorrow brings a better day Helen!  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 13 May 2015, 08:06:51
January 1916 and the log keeper is being creative. How did you transcribe these, Hanibal?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2022/IMG_7216_0.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 13 May 2015, 08:44:01
Negative temperatures?
(below zero)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 13 May 2015, 08:50:38
Yes, that's what I thought, Randi. Should I put in the minus signs or TWYS?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 13 May 2015, 08:59:27
Since you can't really TWYS, I think a minus sign is OK.

Anyone else have any ideas?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 13 May 2015, 09:04:04
I did literal TWYS - see below. I didn't think of them possibly being negatives.



Philip says this is fine. - Randi
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 13 May 2015, 09:07:11
So did I but this won't be easy for Philip. 

But in Seattle the below zero temps won't last long.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 13 May 2015, 09:28:48
I'll ask/warn Philip ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 13 May 2015, 09:38:42
Isn't there a sort of precedent for this in the lat/longs?  I think we were asked to type fractions as decimals.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 13 May 2015, 09:46:17
That is correct, but I'm not quite sure if that qualifies as a precedent.
These are not fractions of degrees.
 :-\
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 13 May 2015, 10:03:54
That's why I said "sort of precedent"  ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 13 May 2015, 10:09:14
 ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 14 May 2015, 13:23:40
Patterson continues on her usual idiosyncratic way .... Just had a day with a date, and a couple of locations, but no weather whatsoever, and no explanation.  The following day, weather again.  Never a dull day.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 14 May 2015, 14:39:02
Patterson continues on her usual idiosyncratic way .... Just had a day with a date, and a couple of locations, but no weather whatsoever, and no explanation.  The following day, weather again. Never a dull day.

 ;D ;D ;D We'll never know when it's a dull day with that lot - they wouldn't know how to record it  :o ;) ::)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 14 May 2015, 14:47:46
I don't thing these guys attended log-keeping school. For a stretch they were only recording wet temperature. I am sure it was dry and they got the column wrong. Then the forget the attached temp and they don't seem to know what a minus sign is for. On the trip up to Alaska they didn't record lat/longs and this trip there's no water temps. Each new page is a surprise.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 May 2015, 14:49:25
;D ;D ;D We'll never know when it's a dull day with that lot - they wouldn't know how to record it  :o ;) ::)
Perhaps it's a dull day when all the information is present, correct, and in the right place ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 14 May 2015, 15:20:57
I don't thing these guys attended log-keeping school. For a stretch they were only recording wet temperature. I am sure it was dry and they got the column wrong. Then the forget the attached temp and they don't seem to know what a minus sign is for. On the trip up to Alaska they didn't record lat/longs and this trip there's no water temps. Each new page is a surprise.

 ;D And from the Shipopoly Community Chest... check number 8

(http://i.imgur.com/bDhouno.png?1)
Randi - spot on!  8) :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 May 2015, 15:27:54
Joan - spot on!  8) :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 14 May 2015, 16:31:22
I'll buy M 150 worth!!!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 14 May 2015, 16:36:11
;D ;D ;D We'll never know when it's a dull day with that lot - they wouldn't know how to record it  :o ;) ::)
Perhaps it's a dull day when all the information is present, correct, and in the right place ;)

I would agree with you, Randi, except for the fact that my brain can't handle so much change. As soon as I get used to one format along comes another but my fingers don't follow  :(

Bring on the dull days!  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 14 May 2015, 16:53:23
I'll buy M 150 worth!!!

Honestly - I'll pay it for you! Anything!  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 14 May 2015, 16:57:49
I'm probably just repeating earlier messages but:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2023/IMG_7361_0.jpg

I'm going to take pre-printed 'water' as 'wet' and hand-written 'water' as 'water'   :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 14 May 2015, 17:23:32
I'm probably just repeating earlier messages but:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2023/IMG_7361_0.jpg

I'm going to take pre-printed 'water' as 'wet' and hand-written 'water' as 'water'   :D

Exactly! That's what I did.
Some good news, though - once you get to the 19th century logs, it becomes less awful.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 14 May 2015, 17:46:15
Phew - thanks for that confirmation hanibal.  :D The next day they cross through 'air' but that seems insane - what else can it be? There's still two 'waters'  :o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2023/IMG_7362_0.jpg

Well - they are clearly not completely beyond hope - they've managed to find new land! OK - it's not Jeannette Island material...but it is all of 1ft above the low tide. Bless. 8)
8:30 Mr Wiedlich in #47 located uncharted rock, 1/3 way between Fire & Echo Ids. bared at low water  - 1ft approx.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2023/IMG_7362_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 15 May 2015, 11:12:55
I did literal TWYS - see below attachment to http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg108285#msg108285. I didn't think of them possibly being negatives.

Philip says this is fine.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 15 May 2015, 11:49:58
Phew - thanks for that confirmation hanibal.  :D The next day they cross through 'air' but that seems insane - what else can it be? There's still two 'waters'  :o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2023/IMG_7362_0.jpg

I would say just do the usual: Air = Dry, Water (printed) = Wet, Water (written) = Water.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 15 May 2015, 14:52:16
Good-o, 'cos that's just what I did  :D Thanks hanibal  :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 15 May 2015, 17:56:49
I did literal TWYS - see below attachment to http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg108285#msg108285. I didn't think of them possibly being negatives.

Philip says this is fine.

I was hoping to hear that it is also fine to just put in a minus sign if we ever run into this again, Randi. It would make it easier to type.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 16 May 2015, 09:35:28
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2024/IMG_7486_0.jpg

4am weather record - any ideas what that is at the end please? 'sef'?  :-\
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 16 May 2015, 09:42:22
Gimme a minute - I'm gonna go through My Pages and track my transcription of that thing down.

OK: I entered it as b.scf - but the s could also be a badly written d.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 16 May 2015, 09:58:28
see what you mean about the possibility of a 'd'.  Thanks so much for trailing back through your pages Hanibal  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 16 May 2015, 13:02:22
It's hard to imagine snow at 12.5 C but this is Alaska. This code ("s") has occurred a few times in earlier pages.

Note that the log keeper has a penchant for writing abbreviations, such as "Squ" for squall at 4 AM here  http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2024/IMG_7502_0.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 16 May 2015, 13:39:47
Quote
http://www.sciencebits.com/SnowAboveFreezing
Did you ever wonder how can it snow at above freezing temperatures? Well, the naive explanation is that it simply takes time for the snowflakes to melt once they penetrate above freezing air, as they descend downwards to the ground. This, of course, is the reason why hail can fall in warm weather. Simply, hail stones fall fast, too fast to let the warm air melt the hail. This is not the main explanation, however, for why it can snow when it is above freezing.

From the figure below, it is apparent that there is a clear dependency on the humidity - the drier it is, the warmer can it be while snowing. This implies that the main factor, at least in dry conditions, has to do with humidity. And this factor is evaporation. More specifically, as the snowflakes descend, they evaporate. This process takes heat and keeps the flakes cold.

[Ed.note: lots of explanations and heat equations skipped.]

(http://www.sciencebits.com/files/pictures/weather/rh-temp-snow.jpg)
Snow or rain? The red line is the no-melting line. Below it, snow flakes cool by evaporation more than they heat from the environment, thereby keeping themselves frozen. The magneta and blue lines are +1?C and +2?C above the no melting lines. Between 0?C and +1?C above the no melt line, it mostly snows whereas it mostly rains between +1?C and +2?C above the no melt line. At warmer temperatures, it rains. The green data points are events collected by Matsuo and Sasyo (1981) in Wajima Japan, between 1975 and 1978.
...
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 16 May 2015, 14:03:25
That's fascinating Janet - and explains how we had hailstones a couple of weeks back when, although it certainly wasn't warm, it wasn't below freezing, or especially close to it either.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 16 May 2015, 14:20:05
That may be the explanation, Janet, but if you interpret the weather code as individual codes rather than a 3-letter abbreviation then it was foggy. That means high humidity, I would think. The wet bulb temp was only .5 C below the dry, though. And the air temp at 12.5 C was beyond the limit of what the graph shows, so it would have to have been very, very dry to have snow at that temperature.



Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 May 2015, 14:21:14
 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 16 May 2015, 16:59:55
I'm not trying to read your codes, your better at that than me.  The warm snow had me wondering 'why'.  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 17 May 2015, 09:03:08
Fresh from the 'surprise weather recording selection pot' on the Patterson: half way through the day the 'Water' temperature reverts to Fahrenheit.

 25th October 1916 12p.m.:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7557_0.jpg

 ::) ;D

but the next day... http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7558_0.jpg  It just changes as they like. Shrug.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 May 2015, 10:44:26
gastcra (Craig) passes the 9000 and 10,000 marks!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 17 May 2015, 10:54:05
AWESOME!!!
  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 17 May 2015, 11:13:03
Fresh from the 'surprise weather recording selection pot' on the Patterson: half way through the day the 'Water' temperature reverts to Fahrenheit.

 25th October 1916 12p.m.:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7557_0.jpg

 ::) ;D

but the next day... http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7558_0.jpg  It just changes as they like. Shrug.

See here for details: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg81345#msg81345

Since the Fahrenheit temperature is always Water, it should always be transcribed that way no mater which column it is in.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 17 May 2015, 11:16:51
My guess is that they are intentionally alternating the use of the Fahrenheit thermometer for some reason.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7565_0.jpg

On second thought, you are right Hanibal. There may be two log keepers with different ideas about which columns to use.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 17 May 2015, 16:55:17
'Since the Fahrenheit temperature is always Water, it should always be transcribed that way no matter which column it is in.'
I've done this hanibal...so we're OK on that one - phew! :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 18 May 2015, 15:46:45
After the day I've had I have to say that someone on the Patterson had a better idea than me:

Disconnected Telephone 10:40 AM

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2026/IMG_7677_0.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 18 May 2015, 18:16:03
 ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 19 May 2015, 11:15:44
I just finished all the easy 6 WRs per day stuff. You're on your way to Alaska now.  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 19 May 2015, 15:18:32
Ah, but it won't be long before you get nothing but the full 24!  ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 19 May 2015, 16:11:51
Spoil sport.  :P ;D

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 19 May 2015, 16:20:42
24 hours of that lot. 'Fetch my smelling salts - I feel my faintness coming on'  :o :o ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 20 May 2015, 14:00:13
Log book for July- Sept 1917 started - list of officers, and dimensions etc logged. 1st log page done..it's  Sunday so various parties set off for some hunting and fishing. :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 20 May 2015, 14:37:16
I love the thought of the dimensions of the officers being logged ....  Nothing would surprise me on the good ship Patterson!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 20 May 2015, 17:40:07
They should log potential Patterson log transcribers' psychological dimensions before they begin and issue a warning - Do this ship at your own risk ;D :P
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 20 May 2015, 20:23:35
I love the thought of the dimensions of the officers being logged ....  Nothing would surprise me on the good ship Patterson!
They should log potential Patterson log transcribers' psychological dimensions before they begin and issue a warning - Do this ship at your own risk ;D :P

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 21 May 2015, 12:18:19
They should log potential Patterson log transcribers' psychological dimensions before they begin and issue a warning - Do this ship at your own risk ;D :P

Too late for some of us!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 21 May 2015, 12:30:50
They should log potential Patterson log transcribers' psychological dimensions before they begin and issue a warning - Do this ship at your own risk ;D :P

Too late for some of us!

Tell me about it - I got more WR than the rest of you put together!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 21 May 2015, 12:42:23
And look what happened to you, Hanibal   :P :D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 21 May 2015, 13:29:28
Since when has '0' been a wind direction?  This is Patterson's latest experiment in freestyle weather recording .... :o

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2028/IMG_7885_0.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 21 May 2015, 13:39:43
Yes, it is a bit odd. I think he probably means zero, which is redundant. I have seen this before somewhere.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 21 May 2015, 16:21:26
0 force = Calm direction, but I can understand if a logkeeper found them interchangeable.  This is the Patterson.  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 21 May 2015, 17:16:27
Sounds like a good Zen question, "From what direction does a Calm wind blow?" Maybe I need to work more Patterson.   ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 21 May 2015, 17:23:16
Not now, Bob - please stick with the Jamestown 1866 until she's done. There's not much left to go on her, and you and I are the only ones working on her.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 21 May 2015, 17:58:20
Yeh - I had a recording of 'Calm, wind speed force 1' on the Patterson.
And 'Variable, force 0'

Helen - LOVE your idea of freestyle weather recording!  :D Now that sounds like a new Olympic sport...in which case we are likely to be working with a gold medal competitor  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: tastiger on 21 May 2015, 18:00:15
Not now, Bob - please stick with the Jamestown 1866 until she's done. There's not much left to go on her, and you and I are the only ones working on her.

Meh, I'll sign up. I'm free with all my classes done, and she doesn't look that bad. :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 21 May 2015, 18:04:36
Careful now, tastiger - the Patterson is not to be misunderestimated.  ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 21 May 2015, 18:11:30
Not now, Bob - please stick with the Jamestown 1866 until she's done. There's not much left to go on her, and you and I are the only ones working on her.

Meh, I'll sign up. I'm free with all my classes done, and she doesn't look that bad. :)


Famous last words my friend..hehehe! The Patterson is a head-banger!  :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: tastiger on 21 May 2015, 18:25:57
Not now, Bob - please stick with the Jamestown 1866 until she's done. There's not much left to go on her, and you and I are the only ones working on her.

Meh, I'll sign up. I'm free with all my classes done, and she doesn't look that bad. :)


Famous last words my friend..hehehe! The Patterson is a head-banger!  :D
Careful now, tastiger - the Patterson is not to be misunderestimated.  ;)

I meant Jamestown 1866. Patterson... I have enough experience to know to say away at times.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 22 May 2015, 03:17:05

I meant Jamestown 1866. Patterson... I have enough experience to know to say away at times.

Ah, I see. That wasn't so clear from your statement.
The Jamestown 1866 is a good idea, though. leelaht did the first stream a long time ago, and I'm almost done with the second one.
So if you and kimma (Bob) do the third stream together (maybe PM to coordinate your transcribing times), you'll get J66 done faster and I'll be a happy man.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 23 May 2015, 09:07:48
They've just sandpapered and shellacked the wardroom floor and NOW they've got the electricians in to light the ship into modernity:
Dec 4 1917:

Workmen from City Light Dept. commenced work of placing electric cable for furnishing vessel with electricity
 
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2029/IMG_8046_1.jpg

and I wish I could get away with what they did next day:
'Temporary connection with City Light at 3.15 Meter to installed later.'
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 23 May 2015, 09:28:00
 ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 23 May 2015, 11:54:21
That's the age old practice of sending the puppy home with the kid for the weekend before telling the parents how much the puppy will cost to keep it.   ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 23 May 2015, 12:54:38
Oh gosh - hadn't seen it like that Janet!  that's so funny! And very likely true  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 May 2015, 09:15:11
Helen J passes the 10,000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 May 2015, 09:15:55
AvastMH passes the 9000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 24 May 2015, 09:28:17
Way to go, Helen and Joan!  8)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 24 May 2015, 11:16:33
Thanks! I'm desperate to get a 5 figure number together. The (really dumb in my books) PenguinWatch competition ends today so hopefully that will take a bit less time.  Given it's the penultimate day, there's virtually no-one extra survived the month  :o ::)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 24 May 2015, 13:29:10
Can you win one of those flying penguins?  They would be better than a stupid drone.  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 24 May 2015, 13:45:50
Aaargh!  Had a day away from Patterson, and having left us in October 1917, I've come back to find myself in February 1885!  This is going to slow me down a bit while I get used to a different format, and probably some new peculiarities ....
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 24 May 2015, 14:07:15
Yes, and 24 WRs per page is no fun either. At least the temps are in Fahrenheit and there are no decimals.

We skipped from December 1917 to April 1918. That only lasted until mid-May and we then we skipped went back to 1885.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 24 May 2015, 14:08:46
And the temperatures are in the right order - which I'm finding really confusing at the moment, having had to slide along the line to find the attached temp for so long.  However I expect I'll get the hang of it.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 24 May 2015, 14:53:10
And the temperatures are in the right order - which I'm finding really confusing at the moment, having had to slide along the line to find the attached temp for so long.  However I expect I'll get the hang of it.

I was knocked of my feet by finding myself in 1885 too, Helen! But the stuff is in the right order and seems mostly accurate. It's dizzying!
I'm happy to get 24 wr per day - you get more wr per remarks page - and I reckon that's good value  ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 24 May 2015, 15:01:16
Yes, I reckon 24WR a day isn't too bad - as you say, the proportion of weather to remarks is better.  I only need to do 5 pages to get over my daily 100 WR target.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 24 May 2015, 15:39:01
From USS Concord in Kyska Harbor (Kiska Harbor: 51.97N 177.56E) 23 Aug 1901 (date not adjusted for crossing the 180th meridian)

At 9.10 surveying party consisting of the Navigator and the watch officers with the steam cutter 1st & 2nd cutters, whale boat and dinghy commenced Survey of Kyska Harbor and approaches by putting up signal stations and tide gauge.

Meridian to 4 PM
Surveying party at work at stations and running lines of soundings and reading tide gauge.

4 PM to 8 PM
Surveying party continued work until 6:00.

Just thought you'd like to know you're not the only ones surveying the Aleutian Islands; the Navy can do useful stuff too!  ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 24 May 2015, 15:42:41
Thanks, Michael. I feel just a little bit less lonely.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 26 May 2015, 04:39:17
I see you guys have reached the 19th century logs. Congrats!

Yes, they sadly do consist entirely of 24/day, all the time. Still, at least you get more WR per page, like Helen said.
As for oddities in the logs - I personally think there are fewer than with the 1910s, but that's just my opinion. Don't forget to check the first post of this topic so you know what you'll be dealing with!

P.S. I'm finishing up the Jamestown 1866 right now - I think I'm on the last logbook, there's 4 months and a week left - but when that's done, I intend to return to the Patterson and at least get enough to pass the 100k mark. Only Silvia has ever managed to do that before.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 26 May 2015, 08:15:23
24 WRs is not too painful. At least the data users will be pleased. But the writing is faded. This is where vertical transcription would be a blessing. I find I often have to look at the previous and following entries in a column to make out a number.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 26 May 2015, 12:57:18
I think they needed to use more ink ....  :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 26 May 2015, 13:07:41
Let's send them a tablet computer rather than more ink  :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 26 May 2015, 13:41:53
Let's send them a tablet computer rather than more ink  :D

No - being true non-geeks, they will just delete everything by accident.   8)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 26 May 2015, 13:49:07
Yeah, I guess you're right Janet. Or they might use it as a lure on their fishing lines.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 26 May 2015, 13:55:58
And we would be redundant .... which would be terrible.   :o
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 27 May 2015, 04:09:09
Now that I'm done with the Jamestown 1866, I have decided to return to the Patterson and do some more work on her. I wanna pass the 100k mark.

I have noticed something odd, though: With two of the logbooks on my personal list, I was unable to access the final pages (via URL editing, I mean), and one of them didn't come up for transcription when it should have:

Quote
50. January 1st, 1892 - March 31st, 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2050/IMG_9836_0.jpg)
In Mare Island, California all the time Does not appear to come up for transcription, I can only access up to Feb 26th

53. July 1st, 1892 - Sep 30th, 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2053/IMG_9688_0.jpg) (I am at July 16th at the time of posting this)
From Conclusion Harbor to Departure Bay, British Columbia

54. Oct 1st, 1892 - Dec 31st, 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2054/IMG_9788_0.jpg)
From Departure Bay, British Columbia to San Francisco, California

55. January 1st, 1893 - March 31st, 1893 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2055/IMG_9892_1.jpg)
In San Francisco for all three months

56. April 1st, 1893 - June 30th, 1893 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2056/IMG_9991_0.jpg)
From Mare Island, California to Unknown due to inability to access final pages of log -> I can only get the first few days

I know this is because of the bad page URL numbering, but it's still quite annoying. Guess the only way to find out is to push through and see what I get.




...But the writing is faded. This is where vertical transcription would be a blessing. I find I often have to look at the previous and following entries in a column to make out a number.

Yes, that is true - it is quite bad with those logs. I forgot about that.
It won't last forever, though - the logs I'm doing now have good and clear writing.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 27 May 2015, 07:30:50
I'm glad to hear it does improve - I was steeling myself for a long slog of eye straining logs.  Though you are seven years ahead of me so I'd better not get too excited ...
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 27 May 2015, 11:23:25
It's already better if you're still in the same stream as me, Helen. I notice that the date hadn't changed since I stopped yesterday.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 27 May 2015, 12:57:19
I think I must be behind you - I'm in March 1885, and it still looks rather faint.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 27 May 2015, 15:37:07
I agree Helen. Ink is clearly a rarity on the Patterson just then. And it's such a shame given tha the weather readings are not bad at all. NOT perfect though! but not bad  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 27 May 2015, 15:38:28
It is at least consistent handwriting, which helps.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 29 May 2015, 08:27:12
I just remembered - on the 19th century logs, it is quite common to run into a pair of pages that have been scanned twice for no apparent reason.
I have reported all the ones I came across, so there's no need for you guys to do so. Just be careful so you don't end up unnecessarily transcribing the duplicate.

However, there are some which are done twice for a good reason - please check this post of mine, and several more after it: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3383.msg101816#msg101816
And note that there are a few cases where the first scan was badly done and the second was good - so I skipped the first and transcribed the second. Please do the same for these particular pages - but first, use URL editing to make sure there is a good second scan to transcribe!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 29 May 2015, 09:37:02
Thanks, Hanibal. This is very useful.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 30 May 2015, 12:37:22
I think this completes the possible number of permutations in the order of the three temperatures.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2033/IMG_8191_0.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 30 May 2015, 13:11:54
Nice. The leaky boat discussion in the comments makes a good side note.  :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 30 May 2015, 13:26:30
Leaky log page too  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 30 May 2015, 13:36:46
More like leaky log keeper's brains!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 31 May 2015, 08:35:06
OK, found another problem: This page is partly obscured by a sheet of misc. paper, but is never completely uncovered even though the paper is moved:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2055/IMG_9977_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2055/IMG_9978_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2055/IMG_9979_0.jpg

So I decided to completely transcribe the first (9977), while having the third (9979) open in another tab so I could get the weather codes.
I then skipped the second and third.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 31 May 2015, 09:32:33
OK, this is weird: I just finished the log for Jan - March 1893, and have gotten  Jan - March 1918 - the missing log from 1918 that did not appear for transcription earlier!
Not only that, but the volume number has jumped from 55 to 72!

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2072/IMG_8110_1.jpg

But hey, she does have only 7 WR per day - This one will not take long!

I have entered this book in the list. Wonder what I'll get next - it's been all over the place!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 31 May 2015, 09:32:43
(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-060.gif)  Hanibal94 passes the 100,000 mark!  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-061.gif)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 31 May 2015, 10:02:59
You're a centenarian now, Hanibal.  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 31 May 2015, 10:22:16
Well done, Hanibal - you've joined a very select band of transcribers (though I think you were already pretty select!)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 31 May 2015, 11:13:12
Well done, Hanibal!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 31 May 2015, 11:47:26
Excellent, Hanibal - you are among the elite.  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 31 May 2015, 14:02:00
AMAZING!!! PROUD TO BE AMONGST YOUR CREW ON THE PATTERSON, HANIBAL   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 31 May 2015, 18:00:46
Thanks, everybody - I had no idea the Patterson would be this big when I first joined her.
She's definitely the toughest ship I have ever worked on, and I will be very happy when my part on her is finished.

Tomorrow, I will do the Jan - March 1918 log. With only up to 7 WR per day, it will not take long.
I wonder what will come next. This ship is predictably unpredictable.

Good night all.

 
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 31 May 2015, 18:17:14
Good night, Hanibal.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/H6iyuGs6swgdhXncfc2K_bIw1Qjh-kB5tWUwAW-NfUM=w500-h282-p-no)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 01 June 2015, 04:49:20
OK, one thing annoying about Jan - March 1918: Sometimes, a page is covered by inserts, like this one: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2072/IMG_8137_0.jpg

When this happens, I use URL editing to see if it has been scanned another time with the inserts out of the way. If yes, I only transcribe that page and skip the rest.
If I should find one where not everything is visible, I will transcribe the scan with the most stuff visible.

To the other transcribers: Please do the same thing when you get as far as I have (which won't be for a while, of course).
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 01 June 2015, 05:22:51
The oddness continues...

After doing January 18th, 1918 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2072/IMG_8148_0.jpg), I suddenly got another new logbook: April 1st - June 30th 1897!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2075/IMG_1982_1.jpg

This one has an odd WR pattern: 24 WR per day, but only a quarter of which have barometer and thermometer data (EDIT: Actually, this only applies to when they're in port. At sea, it's 24 full WR).
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2075/IMG_2002_0.jpg

I give up trying to predict what comes next on this ship. It's impossible!

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 01 June 2015, 07:47:02
Yes, there was a lot of that problem with inserts in the 20th century logs. They would often flag the best one saying "best image", but not always.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 01 June 2015, 09:54:47
Love this place name  ;D

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2034/IMG_8222_0.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 01 June 2015, 10:48:50
 8)

I like that they misspelled 'Patterson'.  ::)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 01 June 2015, 11:04:23
It looks like a misspelling, kimma, but the letter that looks like an r is really an e and the following letter is a poorly formed r. Look at the word "survey" in the second line for another example of the e.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 01 June 2015, 13:07:13
Wow, right. Never mind, then.  :P
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 01 June 2015, 13:52:03
Thanks for showing an interest in our ship just the same. We don't get a lot of visitors  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 01 June 2015, 16:45:27
Wow, right. Never mind, then.  :P

It houhgt ti saw mis-spedlel for a strat.  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 07 June 2015, 15:01:53
gastcra (Craig) passes the 20,000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 07 June 2015, 16:50:03
Wooo-hooo - well done, Craig!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 07 June 2015, 17:33:07
Wooohooo! Well done Craig! :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 07 June 2015, 17:34:00
This has probably been noted before - 05/04/1885
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2033/IMG_8148_0.jpg
was noted by the log keeper as 05/03/1885
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 07 June 2015, 20:41:28
Wooohooo! Well done Craig! :D

Thanks Helen and Joan (and Randi, of course). Only 80K more and I will be captain  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 10 June 2015, 11:36:12
There are two duplicate scans for Feb. 21 and 22 1886 that I didn't see on Hanibal's list.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2035/IMG_8343_0.jpg Feb 21
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2035/IMG_8343_1.jpg Feb 22

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2035/IMG_8344_0.jpg Feb 21
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2035/IMG_8344_1.jpg Feb 22

also April 8 and April 9  1886

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2035/IMG_8368_0.jpg Apr 8
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2035/IMG_8368_1.jpg Apr 9

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2035/IMG_8369_0.jpg Apr 8
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2035/IMG_8369_1.jpg Apr 9
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 10 June 2015, 11:47:57
Wooohooo! Well done Craig! :D

Thanks Helen and Joan (and Randi, of course). Only 80K more and I will be captain  ;D

Hang on Craig - I don't have a second hand on my watch - so slow up or I can't time your rise to supremacy  :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 10 June 2015, 12:46:09
Supremacy is out of reach, Joan. There's no beating Hanibal. Perhaps I could beet him though  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 10 June 2015, 14:03:44
Beet him? hang on and I'll ROOT around to see if I've got anything to help...  ;) :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 12 June 2015, 10:39:52
AAAAAHH!! Not the beets! Not the beets!

Better get into gear and get well away from Craig!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 12 June 2015, 13:15:24
Don't worry, Hanibal, I won't use you in my borsch.

I was hoping to get the Patterson up to 58% completed before you returned but I didn't make it. I have done 6K WRS since 57% but that's not good enough.

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 12 June 2015, 14:46:23
Welcome back, Captain.  Hope you had a good break and are returning refreshed?  I promise there will be no vegetable based violence coming from this member of the crew!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 12 June 2015, 15:27:23
Fantastic - the P's finally broken out of it's weather keeping mould. No details except in the remarks section. Any suggestions folks?
25th April 1885
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2033/IMG_8158_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 12 June 2015, 15:40:09
It looks like that is simply a continuation of the remarks from the previous page.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 12 June 2015, 15:44:41
It looks like that is simply a continuation of the remarks from the previous page.

It is indeed. That happens quite frequently with these logs.
Me, I just add the date and ignore the rest.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 12 June 2015, 18:20:44
Welcome back, Captain.  Hope you had a good break and are returning refreshed?  I promise there will be no vegetable based violence coming from this member of the crew!

Yes, I do feel refreshed and ready to go. Thanks.

I was hoping to get the Patterson up to 58% completed before you returned but I didn't make it. I have done 6K WRs since 57% but that's not good enough.

Woah! That is bad news. Maybe I'll go do the much more predictable Albatross 1884 (which has less than 3 years remaining) once I finish the log book I'm working on right now - 30 days left.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 13 June 2015, 18:24:42
DUPLICATE LOGS DETECTED!!!


For the logs of July - September and October - December 1897 and the one for October - December 1899, both the rough and smooth versions have been scanned and uploaded:

Rough versions:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2076/IMG_2088_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2077/IMG_2191_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2086/IMG_3120_0.jpg

Smooth versions:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2078/IMG_2293_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2079/IMG_2395_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2088/IMG_3321_0.jpg

Since the data is identical, I would like to request permission to skip through the rough logs (which are presented first) and just do the smooth ones.



I also detected a lot more log books covering 1898, 1899 and part of 1900. All of them have been added to the list - even the duplicates.
At least some of them have less than 24 WR / day.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 13 June 2015, 18:33:17
For sure, skip the rough whenever you are sure the clean logs are coming.  How complete an ID of duplicate rough logs can you give me?  I'd like to ask the PTB to remove the rough duplicates, but the request should be as complete as we can make it.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 13 June 2015, 18:44:34
OK, there are three duplicate log books that I know of so far:

Volume 76, starts at
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2076/IMG_2085_0.jpg
and ends at
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2076/IMG_2184_0.jpg

Volume 77, starts at
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2077/IMG_2185_0.jpg
and ends at
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2077/IMG_2287_0.jpg

Volume 86, starts at
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2086/IMG_3104_0.jpg
and ends at
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2086/IMG_3206_0.jpg


Is this good enough, Janet?

P.S. Thanks for confirming that it is safe to skip. I will do so.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 13 June 2015, 18:46:10
I'll check in tomorrow to see if you found anything else first - no point in mailing on the weekend when no one is in the office.  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 15 June 2015, 15:02:01
I've heard back from Kevin and he's brought Chris S (our project manager) into the problem.  I'm now waiting for what they decide.  And no, we are not supposed to be transcribing double for so many months. 
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 15 June 2015, 16:16:44
It's a little late for our Captain's return - but Patterson has just reached 58% completed.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 15 June 2015, 17:12:35
That was a long haul between 57% and 58%. It took us 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 15 June 2015, 17:30:45
I think we've all been rather occupied with other things - I know I've done less transcribing than usual.   :(
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 15 June 2015, 17:33:13
When the captain's away... ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 15 June 2015, 18:28:01
OK folks, I've heard back from Kevin and our project manager Chris.  At this point in the development cycle for Phase 4, it is recommended that we just skip or put Patterson on hold whenever anyone runs into any of the rough log duplicates.  And yes, they are coming up before the clean logs for the same time, the kind of makes sense.  But if you look at Hanibal's examples a bit ago, the rough logs are amazingly easy to identify from the neat single-handwriting clean copy.  They are now on notice of the problem and will clearing it up part of prepping for the new interface.

OK, there are three duplicate log books that I know of so far:

Volume 76, starts at
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2076/IMG_2085_0.jpg
and ends at
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2076/IMG_2184_0.jpg

Volume 77, starts at
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2077/IMG_2185_0.jpg
and ends at
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2077/IMG_2287_0.jpg

Volume 86, starts at
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2086/IMG_3104_0.jpg
and ends at
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2086/IMG_3206_0.jpg


Is this good enough, Janet?

P.S. Thanks for confirming that it is safe to skip. I will do so.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 15 June 2015, 18:33:04
Oh no - I need to get transcribing so I get my five figure count  :o :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 15 June 2015, 18:44:05
Sorry - Patterson was part of the PTB learning curve for US ships.  Lots of things were declared "don't do again" after having Patterson demonstrate the consequences.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 15 June 2015, 18:52:06
I don't know Janet - this could just be The Curse of the Patterson. What they did with their log pages has just travelled through time and settled on the desks of the PTB? Bless!  ;) :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 15 June 2015, 18:55:16
Possible.  Definitely possible.  Maybe curses know how to hitchhike on a Tardis. ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 15 June 2015, 19:22:55
Tuesday 5th May 1885 and it's fish for dinner tonight! yummy!  :P
Received following stores... 1 doz trout hooks, two salmon drag hooks, 2 pie plates, 1 frying pan.
And you need a good drink to wash it down..1 french coffee pot 1 coffee mill, 1 sauce pan.
And rounded off with 3 yds of flannel (new shirt anyone?)  :D

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2033/IMG_8166_0.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 15 June 2015, 19:23:10
Possible.  Definitely possible.  Maybe curses know how to hitchhike on a Tardis. ;)
:D :D :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 16 June 2015, 01:42:37
I think we just need to count ourselves as a kind of experiment ....  And I'm not sure where Craig is, but I'm only in May of 1885, so it's going to be quite a while before I reach these logs, especially at my current rate of progress!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 16 June 2015, 05:09:20
Janet sent me an email containing a list of all the logs of the Patterson. Every. Single. One.
I have entered this info in the log list, but I must sadly admit it has demoralized me - the logs go all the way from 1885 to 1905!

So I will switch to the Albatross 1884 for now. I know for sure that that one has only ~ 2.5 years left.
I will still do 5 dates per day on the Patterson, but no more.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 16 June 2015, 05:27:10
Sounds good, Hanibal.  Just don't expect to get that kind of list for other ships - it was created only because they were sorting out mistakes they were trying to undo.  Learning curves, thank heavens, don't have to be repeated very often.   8)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 16 June 2015, 07:20:43
I think we just need to count ourselves as a kind of experiment ....  And I'm not sure where Craig is, but I'm only in May of 1885, so it's going to be quite a while before I reach these logs, especially at my current rate of progress!

I am at Sept. 1886. It took me 12 days to do one log year so if I keep up the same pace I have about 4 months to get to the end. Just keep plugging along and we'll get there.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 16 June 2015, 07:38:59
Sounds good, Hanibal.  Just don't expect to get that kind of list for other ships - it was created only because they were sorting out mistakes they were trying to undo.  Learning curves, thank heavens, don't have to be repeated very often.   8)

Don't worry - the Patterson is a major exception to the rule.
Most ships have a very linear way of assigning log book and page numbers in the page image URLs, making it MUCH easier to create a complete list yourself.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 16 June 2015, 16:34:04
Janet sent me an email containing a list of all the logs of the Patterson. Every. Single. One.
I have entered this info in the log list, but I must sadly admit it has demoralized me - the logs go all the way from 1885 to 1905!

Ah, well, only another twenty years to go ....  ::)  I seem to have a knack for choosing very very long logs!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 21 June 2015, 12:45:43
I love the cook's name. I wonder if the mice were getting to him. D :D :D

Quote
Thophile Fromage (Cabin Cook) discharged this day by reason of his own request.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2036/IMG_8481_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 21 June 2015, 13:25:30
 ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 21 June 2015, 13:42:35
 ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 21 June 2015, 18:32:34
Wonderfully surreal idea, Craig!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 22 June 2015, 03:34:07
 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 23 June 2015, 14:17:49
So excited! My first 'u' in the weather codes...thought I'd never see one  :o :D

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2033/IMG_8181_0.jpg
2pm
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 23 June 2015, 14:30:29
And the writing is clear enough that there's not mistaking it. Lucky U  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 23 June 2015, 15:12:27
What a cheesy pun ;D



By the way, I think Thophile should probably be Theophile?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 23 June 2015, 15:14:05
 ;D ;D ;D Nice one Craig!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 23 June 2015, 15:41:03
 I'm Monsieur Fromage  :D 

;D  ( :-[)  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 23 June 2015, 15:45:28
 ;D ;D ;D 
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 23 June 2015, 15:52:20
By the way, the ship mentioned on http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2036/IMG_8481_1.jpg, United States Coast Survey Schooner Hassler, was designed by Carlile Patterson.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassler_%28vessel%29
 ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 05 July 2015, 10:16:07
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Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 07 July 2015, 16:30:33
A creative bit of discipline on board the Patterson:

At 8 a.m. by order of Comdg officer confined Andrew Malinstrom to his hammock on main deck for forty eight hours he having failed to obey orders promptly & answered back and giving want of sleep as an excuse.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2034/IMG_8224_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 07 July 2015, 16:34:34
 8)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 07 July 2015, 16:44:18
 ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 07 July 2015, 18:38:26
 ;D Nice one!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 17 July 2015, 10:59:41
Wow - new weather!
'Warm and smoky'  Perhaps another volcano has gone off? ::) ;)

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2034/IMG_8245_0.jpg

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 July 2015, 12:27:20
The only event the AVO has for 1885 is iffy, at Augustine, and maybe Chernabura. And both are on the south side of Alaska.  Why is a survey ship, of all possible vessels, refusing to locate themselves by lat/long?  It could also be coming on the prevailing winds from the Asian side.  (If they spot an actual event, Cheryl at AVO will love us.)

Quote
http://www.avo.alaska.edu/volcanoes/activity.php?volcname=Augustine&eruptionid=333
This is a questionable event.

Start:   December 1885   Observed   

Steam:   BibCard  BibCard  BibCard
Eruption Type:   Other   
Description: According to Kienle and Forbes (1977) a mission report on May 27, 1885 stated: "earthquakes still quite frequent here (Kenai?) and Chernabura is still smoking." Becker (1898) says the volcano was steaming from shore to summit.

Waitt and Beget (2009) believe that this account describes rain or snowmelt infiltrating still-hot 1883 pyroclastic-flow deposits.

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 17 July 2015, 13:42:34
On the following day it's simply 'overcast, cloudy, rainy and foggy' - covering all the bases!  And they've arrived in Port Simpson, British Columbia.  Patterson seems positively allergic to recording latitude and longitude - can't remember the last time they recorded one.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 July 2015, 13:48:31
Well, if they are on the BC side of Alaska, they are inline for the prevailing winds to blow ash and/or smoke on them from any number of volcanoes whose minor events are simply never recorded.  We will have to live with that.

Silly surveyors, paying so much attention to their charts, they forget to be careful with the ship's records.  After all, they only need to look at their field work to know where they are!   >:( ::)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 17 July 2015, 14:25:52
 I suspect the idea that the lat and long are in another log book is very likely. For a little while we had a synopsis of the general plan of the surveying day in the remarks page (about 1916 I think). It seemed to indicate that the survey info was logged with all the geodetic data. Not surprising I suppose.  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 17 July 2015, 14:54:04
That would make sense - today they've recorded waiting for an opportunity to take sights (on a rainy, foggy etc day) - which must mean they are working out their lat/long - just not recording them on the books we have.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 19 July 2015, 09:43:54
Well here we learn more about what it feels like to keep a big boat and many lives going in the right direction...

"Mr Man anxiously awaiting a sight of the stars."

The weather kept him waiting with a lot of o, c, p, r, q stuff until at midnight he got 'bc'. I hope he went to bed less anxious  :D

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2034/IMG_8247_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 19 July 2015, 09:48:33
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 27 July 2015, 05:44:19
Due to the huge size of this ship, and the lack of progress on her, I have decided to contribute 5 dates every day, starting today.
That will at least help a little.

I seriously wish I had known how large this ship is before starting work on her - but then, I might never have passed the 100.000 mark on her.
Ah well. No changing it now. Only way out is forwards.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 27 July 2015, 10:23:51
Oh, good news, Hanibal!  It's been getting pretty lonely on board recently - I think I'm the only regular transcriber.  And I'm about to go away on holiday.  It would be nice to move from 58% to 59% ....
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 27 July 2015, 19:49:19
oh dear - the guilt is mine...still I've got some leave coming up and will be able to get more involved. Plus there's a regular band of folk on PW so it takes the pressure off moderation there :)
AND I still really want to get to a five figure number of WRs  8)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 28 July 2015, 06:22:14
No, don't feel guilty Joan - we all do what we can as we can.  But if you do want to do some WRs on Patterson to help you reach your five figure target, you would be most welcome.  We're in San Francisco at the moment, so there's no problem finding location, and you can whizz through the 24 WRs per day pretty quickly.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 05 August 2015, 12:59:30
Thanks Helen!  :D
Finally got back onboard :D
And may I say how good things are looking in San Fran. In fact there's spit and polish going down to celebrate...

"Received on board the following articles: 4 large boxes of polish 7 lantern globes 12 lamp glasses"

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2034/IMG_8293_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 05 August 2015, 13:31:02
Glad to hear standards are being kept up!  I'll look forward to having moved on a bit when I get back on board after being on holiday.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 August 2015, 05:52:07
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Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 14 August 2015, 11:15:20
OK, the crew have gotten ULTRA-lazy - now they don't even enter the weather code unless it changes!

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2079/IMG_2434_0.jpg

Sadly, TWYS means I cannot enter the dittos I am very sure should be there.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 14 August 2015, 13:13:37
Look at that as job security for Philip's analysis team. ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 14 August 2015, 14:49:13
As well as yet another example of the Patterson's infinite variety of ways of keeping us from thinking we know what's coming up ....
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 15 August 2015, 13:59:49
At last - we've completed another percentage point of the Patterson's massive logs - up to 59%.  It seems to have taken a very very long time  ::)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 15 August 2015, 15:25:59
Yeah!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 15 August 2015, 18:16:07
Sounds like me doing at least 5 dates per day has helped!  :)

Oh, and some good news: I might be able to get leelaht to join this ship once she's done with the Vicksburg - which will still take maybe 2 months, she says.
And if she joins and finishes a stream, I should be able to persuade Craig to come back as well.
Even the Patterson will be no match for the three of us!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 15 August 2015, 20:13:44
I'll come back when they don't spend 7 months at Mare Island and vicinity  :D

The Yorktown is great. It's in Honolulu, Asia, Alaska, S. America, Atlantic Coast and even at Mare Island occasionally.  ;D

There are a great many ships wintering in the San Francisco area. Surely the Science team doesn't need that many observations there. Granted, a few are useful for cross-checking the instruments but 7 months worth?  ::) Especially since weather records for San Francisco go back well into the 1890s. The heat-island effect couldn't have been very strong then.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 15 August 2015, 21:47:23
Scientists will tell you there can't be too many double checks on your instrument accuracy, and that's the dues we pay to get all those out-at-sea readings later.  Nothing about that says you have to like it.   8)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 16 August 2015, 06:04:20
Well said, Janet - it would be real difficult to remove all the Mare Island parts and only leave the Alaska bits, because those transitions tend to happen right in the middle of a log book.
Personally, I like it when the Patterson does less than 24 WR per day - I checked ahead, and some of her upcoming logs only have 6 when in port.
I'm gonna enjoy those, no matter where she is!

Come on, Craig. I thought you were seriously committed to finishing off ships. And the Yorktown is gonna take longer than the Patterson.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 16 August 2015, 07:21:32
I like to see ships completed, Hanibal, but since I am in the 3rd stream on the Yorktown every log book I complete is ready for the science team if they want to use it.

Philip told me that the San Francisco area is probably not the highest priority data for them but, as you said, Hanibal, it is too difficult to select just the log books for the north. However, by doing the Yorktown I can do my own selection.  Don't worry, I will come back to the Patterson when the Yorktown is complete. It shouldn't take me more than a year.  One can easily get used to clear writing with few irregularities. Come and join me and we can catch up to the captain very quickly. Then I would take a break and do the Patterson for a while.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 16 August 2015, 07:53:08
Come and join me and we can catch up to the captain very quickly. Then I would take a break and do the Patterson for a while.

Sorry Craig, no can do - I promised Stuart and Michael I would focus on finishing my part on the Concord, and I have to keep that promise.
I'm currently at late February 1906 on her, so it'll take a while still.

After that, I probably will go for Patterson - it's not long before my daily 5 dates per day brings me to the point where she starts doing 6 WR/day when in port.
Once that happens, I intend to change my secondary target to the Vicksburg, because my secondary should always have 24 WR/day, all the time, and the Vicksburg is closer to completion.

In a nutshell, here's what I want to do:

Current:
Primary = Concord, Secondary = Patterson
Soon:
Primary = Concord, Secondary = Vicksburg
Once Concord is done:
Primary = Patterson, Secondary = Vicksburg

So it'll be a while before I join the Yorktown, if ever. She would make a good secondary target though - maybe one day in the future?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 August 2015, 09:49:48
There are a great many ships wintering in the San Francisco area. Surely the Science team doesn't need that many observations there. Granted, a few are useful for cross-checking the instruments but 7 months worth?  ::) Especially since weather records for San Francisco go back well into the 1890s. The heat-island effect couldn't have been very strong then.

Quote from: Philip
We try and choose ships that are interesting, but we don't sub-sample the logs to choose only the interesting bits. There are lots of reasons for this - it makes it easier to keep track of what we've done, the Archives prefer it, and we are not very good at deciding what's useful anyway.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 17 August 2015, 12:58:32
I think that last point of Philip's is very important - we'd be mad to start picking and choosing what we transcribe based just on what we think we want now.  How do we know what might be lurking in some boring corner of a log which could turn out to be really important to some future project?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 17 August 2015, 13:16:51
How do we know what might be lurking in some boring corner of a log which could turn out to be really important to some future project?

Exactly. That's why I don't care where my ship goes - in fact, I actually like it better when the Patterson's in port, because right now when in port only 6 of the 24 daily WR are complete - the rest are much shorter and faster to transcribe. I've been able to do pages like that in under 2 minutes thanks to AutoHotKey.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2079/IMG_2446_0.jpg

Oh, and I also transcribe all the lat/long locations on the page, no matter how many. I believe that future computers will be accurate enough and powerful enough to use all of those, so we'd better transcribe them all now!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 17 August 2015, 14:07:59
Actually, I was talking about priority of some log books over others when I mentioned this to Philip, not whether we should do them or not. However, I realize that it would be impractical to change the order and it would not be nice reading for those who like chronological continuity.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 August 2015, 15:17:25
Oh, and I also transcribe all the lat/long locations on the page, no matter how many.
So do I.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 17 August 2015, 19:16:01
If you look at this strategically, unless Philip is successful in multiplying OW productivity we have a year and a half before the current fleet of ships is completed. So I am now inclined to only transcribe what Philip asks for. I agree with you, Hanibal, that some future project could make more accurate climate estimates if all the lat/longs are recorded. On the other hand, everything we do that is not used by Philip delays the completion of a ship log. Of course, many OW members don't care about speed and this is fine. (Also, it may not even be necessary to have 3 transcriptions of non-required lat-longs because large errors can easily be detected by interpolation. But, there is a trade-off between finer precision and more observations. My feeling is that more WRs are more valuable than finer precision in position given the large data gaps that currently exist in the historical records. If Philip says I am wrong about this I would be happy to transcribe all the lat/longs.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 August 2015, 03:05:50
Philip only asks for one position. More are optional.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 18 August 2015, 11:44:46
On the Patterson, even one position (in lat/long terms) is vanishingly rare - I can't think of the last time I had one.  It's all just locations - which is fine when they're at Mare Island for months on end, but can be a considerable difficulty when they're moving around the islands and recording a different place name every day, often in a pretty unreadable form.  More than one lat/long would be a dream!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 18 August 2015, 13:59:11
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 18 August 2015, 15:46:43
At last - a five figure record on one ship - right I'm off to get my grog and ship's biscuits. Back later ;) :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 August 2015, 15:52:24
AvastMH passes the 10,000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 18 August 2015, 16:04:14
Congratulations, Joan!  Enjoy your grog and biscuits - and come back soon ....
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 18 August 2015, 16:12:46
Great job Joan! I'm very impressed.

Now how about making it SIX figures like your captain?  ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 18 August 2015, 16:43:12
Don't listen to him Joan, he's a fanatic (like me)  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 18 August 2015, 19:09:47
Great job Joan! I'm very impressed.
Now how about making it SIX figures like your captain?  ;)
Don't listen to him Joan, he's a fanatic (like me)  ;D

Thanks Randi!!!  :D

Six figures?  :o  Faints clean away and has to be revived with the Captain's best brandy (hint hint hint) ;) ;) ;D

Fanatic - isn't that the definition of an OW-er?  ;) ;)

Back at the grindstone tomorrow Helen!!  8) :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 19 August 2015, 04:05:43
Six figures?  :o  Faints clean away and has to be revived with the Captain's best brandy (hint hint hint) ;) ;) ;D

Fanatic - isn't that the definition of an OW-er?  ;) ;)

Sorry, I don't have any brandy - best I got is root beer. Will that help?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Rootbeerfoam2.JPG)

And yes, pretty much all OW-ers are fanatics, so Craig and me are more like Speed Freaks.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 19 August 2015, 05:57:07
Well done, Joan!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 23 August 2015, 05:38:32
jil passes the 1000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 23 August 2015, 11:19:24
Congratulations jil!  Good to have another regular transcriber on board.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 23 August 2015, 12:17:38
Thanks - although I wouldn't go so far as 'regular'! I'm just doing the odd page or two every now and again.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 23 August 2015, 12:54:30
That's still worth something - it's just nice to come back and find we're not always exactly where I left off.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 23 August 2015, 16:32:04
Please do continue, Jil - we need all the help we can get, especially now since Craig stopped contributing.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 23 August 2015, 19:19:54
Penguins are quietening down also which releases my time back to my first love  ;) ;) :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 23 August 2015, 20:10:42
Please do continue, Jil - we need all the help we can get, especially now since Craig stopped contributing.

Yorktown needs more help; it's only at 35% - up 6 points since I began.  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 24 August 2015, 10:16:34
3rd March 1886 and...boots shining, kit properly ironed, everything ship-shape and Bristol fashion please...we have a new Commander on board:

And because we are studying coldweather we've bagged the best possible: Lieut A.S. Snow, U.S.N.  ;) ;D

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2035/IMG_8349_0.jpg

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 24 August 2015, 10:46:11
OK, one thing annoying about Jan - March 1918: Sometimes, a page is covered by inserts, like this one: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2072/IMG_8137_0.jpg

When this happens, I use URL editing to see if it has been scanned another time with the inserts out of the way. If yes, I only transcribe that page and skip the rest.
If I should find one where not everything is visible, I will transcribe the scan with the most stuff visible.

To the other transcribers: Please do the same thing when you get as far as I have (which won't be for a while, of course).

Just found a couple of similar pages during March 1886!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 24 August 2015, 11:19:55
Just found a couple of similar pages during March 1886!

Roger that. Just please make sure to follow my method: Use URL editing to see if there is a completely uncovered scan of the page (I think there always is, from what I remember of that logbook), and if you find such a scan, transcribe only it and skip the rest.
If you find a page where there is no scan that has everything visible, transcribe the one with the most stuff visible.

I'm dealing with a Concord logbook where the inserts were glued to the page - so each weather page has one scan where the insert covers all the PM data, and another where it was rolled up to reveal the PM data, but obscures some of the AM data instead!

Example:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol035of040/vol035of040_168_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol035of040/vol035of040_169_0.jpg

For these pages, I transcribe all the AM WR on the first scan, and all the PM WR on the second scan.
Stupid glued-in inserts! And they're not even interesting - just receipts for eggs and things!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 24 August 2015, 15:59:03
Roger roger that Captain - and did use your method  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 27 August 2015, 13:15:21
Aha! YESSS!!  This is April 1st 1886 and we learn that the Patterson has 'Enlisted Theophile Fromage as Lds and rated him Cabin Cook'. So - will he be the Big Cheese in the galley?  ::) ;D (You couldn't make it up if you tried ;D)

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2035/IMG_8364_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 27 August 2015, 13:55:11
And a God-loving big cheese at that!!  Makes you wonder if people's last names drive them into some professions.  ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 27 August 2015, 14:58:51
I hope he doesn't melt under the pressure in his new position or he would have to change his name to Gratin  :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 27 August 2015, 16:11:20
 ;D
Great name!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 28 August 2015, 10:01:09
Amazing name - is it purely coincidence that this is on 1st April?  I do hope not ....
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 28 August 2015, 10:09:14
I couldn't help wondering about that..
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 28 August 2015, 20:57:36
I wondered too - mostly because I was so excited to see April 1st come up - the hope that something funny would happen. And then a God-loving Mr Cheese working as Cabin Cook - it's almost too silly for words - but would they put a joke like that in a log?? Well -they're a bunch of jokers when it comes to keeping weather records so perhaps, just perhaps, they really were playing a joke on us??!?  ::) :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on 28 August 2015, 23:53:33
Considering how old April Fool's Day is... and the general nuttiness of sailors (we've always been a special kind of crazy) I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it was a joke entry about a real event.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 29 August 2015, 09:00:37
 ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 31 August 2015, 13:55:04
28th April 1886: Coal must be cheap - look at the 'attached temp' - 76F at midnight - obviously they are working late (but as they are in port is this just a late mid-week game of cards?  ;) ) :D

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2035/IMG_8383_0.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on 02 September 2015, 06:29:41
Seems like an awful lot of coal burned for the day as well. 4 tons is kind of excessive for a compound steam engine, but I suppose it's plausible considering they were running at 9 knots for a large part of the day, and Patterson was a double expansion steamer, so while she was efficient, she was still a steam engine.

DOUBLE FUN FACT TIME!

#1: Full name of the ship is USC&GS Carlile P. Patterson, in honor of the fourth Superintendent of the Coast Survey and first Superintendent of the Coast and Geodetic Survey, Carlile Pollock Patterson, and was designed by Commander Colby Mitchell Chester, the hydrographic inspector for USC&GS at the time.

#2: When she was recommissioned after WWI, she received a new name, "Forward" and returned to service with the USC&GS.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 02 September 2015, 06:37:50
While using URL editing to peek ahead, I found yet another oddity in these logs:
Extra Dry and Wet temperatures - in Celsius!

Example: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2089/IMG_3449_0.jpg

I think it would be best to transcribe these in an extra WR for each hour that they appear, like this:


Hour   Wind   Force   Bar        Ther   Dry    Wet   Water   Code   Cloud   Sky
8 am   SE      4-5      29.68    56      55                           "           
8 am                                                12.5  12.2
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 02 September 2015, 09:02:12
That is correct.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 02 September 2015, 10:23:03
Thanks - it'll be a while before I hit those logs, but I wanted to make sure I know what to do when I get there.
I have added this thing to the list of oddities in the first post of this topic - which now has 14 entries in total. What an awful mess this ship is!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 02 September 2015, 10:27:31
But you can handle it ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 02 September 2015, 11:51:09
But you can handle it ;D

Sure, I can handle it - but what about everybody else? Craig abandoned this vessel because he got bored of being in port for 7 months on end!
Besides, just because I can take it doesn't mean I like it - I don't!
In fact, I'm beginning to think this ship should have 4 stars!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 02 September 2015, 11:59:57
I can change it to four stars.
Anyone else for or against the change?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 02 September 2015, 12:05:57
I just did - it gets too scrambled too often, something not expected on a survey ship manned by cartographers.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 02 September 2015, 12:23:50

Sure, I can handle it - but what about everybody else? Craig abandoned this vessel because he got bored of being in port for 7 months on end!

Minor correction, Hanibal. I abandoned because I didn't think the San Francisco area data were as high priority as in the north and east Pacific, where the Yorktown spends much of its time. And since Maikel and Silvia had done over 80,000 WRs each I knew that every log book I completed could be used by the science team.

But I wouldn't like to do those supplementary entries either  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 02 September 2015, 12:29:43
Seems like an awful lot of coal burned for the day as well. 4 tons is kind of excessive for a compound steam engine, but I suppose it's plausible considering they were running at 9 knots for a large part of the day, and Patterson was a double expansion steamer, so while she was efficient, she was still a steam engine.

DOUBLE FUN FACT TIME!

#1: Full name of the ship is USC&GS Carlile P. Patterson, in honor of the fourth Superintendent of the Coast Survey and first Superintendent of the Coast and Geodetic Survey, Carlile Pollock Patterson, and was designed by Commander Colby Mitchell Chester, the hydrographic inspector for USC&GS at the time.

#2: When she was recommissioned after WWI, she received a new name, "Forward" and returned to service with the USC&GS.

Fascinating! Especially like the info about the coal - whole new world to me all this engineering stuff. But having done some WW1 ships, the difference in coal usage per day is dramatic  :D

'Carlile Pollock Patterson'...something a bit fishy about his name don't you think? (apology for the pun!) :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 02 September 2015, 12:40:36
And since Maikel and Silvia had done over 80,000 WRs each I knew that every log book I completed could be used by the science team.

I thought the scientists don't get the data until the entire vessel has been completed?
Could someone with knowledge of that process please state which one of us is correct?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 02 September 2015, 12:54:54
As far as I know, the scientists don't get the data until the entire vessel-voyage (Philip should now have Jamestown 1866) has been completed.

I will double check.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 02 September 2015, 13:00:25
Philip told me once that he could analyze incomplete ships but he hasn't yet.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 02 September 2015, 15:50:30
I think because the whole finished-at-that-point data downloads and he would have to redo any analysis on the earlier part. ???
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 September 2015, 15:26:29
Quote from: Philip
The science team (I) get the data 1 day (approximately) after you input it. That's all the data, complete and incomplete vessels.

 When making processed observations for reanalysis and widespread scientific use, I currently only process complete ships - ships where every page has been done by three people.

 When doing anything else, I usually use everything I've got, complete or not.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 03 September 2015, 15:52:10
Very clear.  Thanks, Philip.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 03 September 2015, 15:55:14
Good to know - thanks!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 03 September 2015, 15:58:33
I wonder what "anything else" consists of  ???
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 September 2015, 16:09:10
Blogs ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 06 September 2015, 11:19:08
gastcra (Craig) passes the 30,000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 06 September 2015, 13:08:02
gastcra (Craig) passes the 30,000 mark!
At last!  ;)
Craig, I thought you'd just decided you liked being on 29999
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 06 September 2015, 13:17:05
I waited to get a double whammy, jil. I also passed 30K on the Yorktown (spoiler alert). Thought it would make a nice effect  ;D

I did kind of like being at 29999, spurning decimal orthodoxy. It's a pretty prime.  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 06 September 2015, 13:56:20
Good to see you back, Craig.  I hope it's not just a temporary posting?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 06 September 2015, 14:04:58
Let me know when you and Joan reach 1887 and I will return then.   ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 06 September 2015, 14:30:43
I'm in the middle of May 1886 - so not a million miles off ....
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 06 September 2015, 17:00:52
I waited to get a double whammy, jil. I also passed 30K on the Yorktown (spoiler alert). Thought it would make a nice effect  ;D

I did kind of like being at 29999, spurning decimal orthodoxy. It's a pretty prime.  ;D
Very nice!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 06 September 2015, 19:14:38
Let me know when you and Joan reach 1887 and I will return then.   ;)

okey dokey - I better get my skates on a bit!  ;) ;) :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 09 September 2015, 05:46:48
Let me know when you and Joan reach 1887 and I will return then.   ;)

I'll remember that well, Craig - you better put some bang where your bark is, or else!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 13 September 2015, 08:52:30
jil passes the 1500 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 13 September 2015, 08:53:09
You here too, Jil? That's great!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 13 September 2015, 15:05:08
Very part time - but every little helps!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 20 September 2015, 07:34:23
jil passes the 2000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 20 September 2015, 17:20:50
The next logbook for me, April to September 1899, has the one page per day format used in the logs of the 1880s.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2082/IMG_2701_1.jpg

I will enter the only temperature on the page as Dry, because that's what I did for all previous logs of this format.
However, the other logs of this time have the only temperature recored as Ther Attached - so maybe I should do it that way?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2085/IMG_3030_0.jpg

I'll leave this one to the mods - it's getting late here anyway.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 20 September 2015, 18:02:04
You are tired Hanibal, it is late by you and you are questioning too much, which I do when too tired to think straight.  Get some good sleep.

Your first instinct was right, as it is the only temp recorded, list it as 'dry' please.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 20 September 2015, 18:28:24
I'm tired too, and I am not quite sure what you are asking.

I would say that if it is in the "Thermometer Air" column it should definitely be entered as Dry.

However - and this is where I am confused - if it is in the Ther Attached column it should probably be entered as Ther Attached.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 20 September 2015, 20:02:14
So we ask Philip.  I wish these surveyors took as much care with their ship logs as they do with their charts.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 21 September 2015, 09:42:57
List it as it is written, Hanibal.  :)

In general, please follow the log - if it says 'attached', enter as an attached temperature, if it says 'air' please enter as an air temperature (dry bulb).
The only exception to this rule should come when you are confident that the log has it wrong - that the temperature in the attached column is actually an air temperature, or some similar mistake has been made. If the log-keeper has made a mistake of this sort, please do fix it for him, and enter the number as it is, rather than as it is (incorrectly) labelled.
You don't have to be 'certain' that the log is wrong, you do need to be 'confident'. If in doubt, TWYS.

From the two pages Hanibal links, I see no reason to suppose that the log-keeper has made an error - that the temperatures are other than as labelled. But I suspect I have missed the point (I don't see where the doubt arises) and Hanibal is much better placed to make the judgement. However, if unsure, please enter the numbers as labelled in the log.

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 21 September 2015, 09:46:58
OK, I'll just follow the labeling - Thermometer Air = Dry, Ther Attached = Ther Attached.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 24 September 2015, 07:52:19
July 19th 1886 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2036/IMG_8434_0.jpg)
Wondering if it wasn't a coincidence that Ensign Dewey was leading a work party in Dewey Anchorage, found that it was indeed named after him.  8)

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=F2auJ_2ft0kC&q=theodore+dewey#v=snippet&q=theodore%20dewey&f=false
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 24 September 2015, 10:35:11
That is cool, knowing something about the man and the location.  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 03 October 2015, 13:44:25
An extra tot of rum all round - Patterson has at last reached 60%!  It's a long haul but we're getting there.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 03 October 2015, 14:50:40
It'll get better when I rejoin, Helen. I intend to do so once I finish the Concord - where I am at June 21st 1909 and have until November 4th to go. Will be done with her within a week.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 03 October 2015, 14:58:41
Yeah! It must have been all those pages I did this morning  ;) - it was 2 pages
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 03 October 2015, 15:07:56
Look forward to having you back on board, hanibal.  And every page helps, jil.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 06 October 2015, 08:04:04
I'm back! My part on the Concord is done, so I shall now return to this vessel!

Here's hoping there ain't too much more weirdness left - I want to finish my stream before January 1st 2016!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 06 October 2015, 13:30:04
Good to have you back, Captain - that should speed us up a bit.  I'm slow at the moment as I've been trying out Whaling and reporting back, leaving less time for the Patterson.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 08 October 2015, 08:22:09
Just finished logbook 82 - and according to my list, this is the last of the 6-month, 1 page/day logs. There's only 3-month, 2 page/day ones left.
Since the latter have the single temperature of each WR recorded as Ther Attached, I shall transcribe it that way.

I have also decided to stop posting individual officer's lists in the Crew topic - instead, I shall gather them all in an email draft and make one big post when I finish this ship.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 08 October 2015, 08:38:23
October 10th 1886 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2036/IMG_8481_0.jpg) - San Francisco
Quote
At 2.45am heard cries of men from a capsized boat, manned dinghy & picked up boatman & two men from Russian stmr. Moscow
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 08 October 2015, 13:17:07
Aha! YESSS!!  This is April 1st 1886 and we learn that the Patterson has 'Enlisted Theophile Fromage as Lds and rated him Cabin Cook'. So - will he be the Big Cheese in the galley?  ::) ;D (You couldn't make it up if you tried ;D)

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2035/IMG_8364_1.jpg

And it's October 11th and Theophile Fromage has asked to be discharged ....  So it looks as though he did really exist.  Probably he couldn't bear the thought of a whole winter sitting in San Francisco (I have some sympathy ....)

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2036/IMG_8481_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 08 October 2015, 13:20:21
 ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 08 October 2015, 14:35:57
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 09 October 2015, 09:23:54
I just finished logbook 85, and it turns out that logbook 86, a duplicate of 88, has been removed - the next log I get is 87, which is normal.
This is good - it spares me the trouble of clicking through 3 months of duplicate pages.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 09 October 2015, 10:00:57
 :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 10 October 2015, 09:54:34
Aw heck - I just realized I transcribed A LOT of temperatures as Ther Attached, when I should have been doing them as Dry!
This definitely affects my transcriptions of April 1st - June 24th 1900, and probably some earlier ones too.

Sorry, but I cannot correct this because it would be way too much work.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 10 October 2015, 20:14:02
More news: After transcribing volume 88, I expected to get volume 89 - but I got volume 94, which would have been the next one, instead.
However, 94 is an exact duplicate of volume 55, which I already did, so I can just skip through it.
And 89 can still be accessed via URL editing.

Could it be that somebody removed THE WRONG LOGBOOK from the interface?  :o
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 10 October 2015, 20:44:32
Sometimes they are just in the wrong order due to damage that had to be sent to the restoration lab.  A number of the volumes were developing mold.  They were re-inserted in the scanning process when they were returned fit to be read.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 11 October 2015, 09:56:38
Some more bits of weirdness, both posted in Faulty scanned and duplicate pages:

On the Patterson, December 28th and 31st 1898 has been done twice, but December 29th seems to be completely missing:
(The  Dec 28th scans are exactly identical, so it's not a wrong-date case)

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2083/IMG_2894_0.jpg - Dec 28th - Transcribed
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2083/IMG_2895_0.jpg - Dec 28th - Skipped
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2083/IMG_2896_0.jpg - Dec 30th - Transcribed
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2083/IMG_2897_0.jpg - Dec 31st - Transcribed
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2083/IMG_2898_0.jpg - Dec 31st - Skipped
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2083/IMG_2899_0.jpg - Blank page, end of log

I finished the whole logbook, and no sign of it.  >:(

Here's a new one: Pages scanned upside down (Patterson, duplicate log of Jan 1st - Mar 1893)!

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2094/IMG_9984_0.jpg - Skipped
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2094/IMG_9984_1.jpg - Skipped

Fortunately, the upside-down pages do not need to be transcribed because they are part of a duplicate log.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 12 October 2015, 03:01:24
Helen J passes the 20,000 mark!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 12 October 2015, 04:43:19
Well done, Helen!

Oct 25th 1886 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2036/IMG_8488_1.jpg)
Quote
Revenue Str. Bear arrived at noon & came alongside of dock with the North Alaskan Exploring Expedition Lt. Stoney USN. Hauled ahead at dock to make room for Bear.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 12 October 2015, 08:25:36
Thank you jil - and with our captain back on board we've moved up from 60% to 61% in no time at all.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 12 October 2015, 08:38:46
Great job, Helen!

I am back on the Patterson now too.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 12 October 2015, 08:54:50
Excellent!  Full steam ahead .... ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 12 October 2015, 11:29:09
Thank you jil - and with our captain back on board we've moved up from 60% to 61% in no time at all.

Well, that was mostly because I had a lot of 6 WR pages - she spent so much time in Oakland around 1898-1900!
But now I've been sent back to July 1893, to a time with 24 WR pages even in port.
I've checked ahead, and the crew stopped doing that around May-June 1894, but it is gonna slow me down a little.
Still, Craig's back too, so that will help a lot.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 16 October 2015, 09:38:09
Am I the only one who thinks this page looks kinda creepy?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2098/IMG_0387_0.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 16 October 2015, 09:54:18
Shadows, Hanibal, not ghosts.  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 October 2015, 10:31:34
Yes, but is it the shadow of Captain Hook? ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 16 October 2015, 11:50:22
That does look ominous. But here's the transcriber's delight http://www.oldweather.org/transcribe/50874f4d09d4090755026717

The best one I have seen! I hope this log keeper stays on for a while.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 October 2015, 11:57:56
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2036/IMG_8496_1.jpg ;)



The edit-link you posted will not work for most people.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 16 October 2015, 12:05:26
No bad, but a little too faint.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 18 October 2015, 11:59:03
I think the logkeepers of July-Sep 1894 (and maybe later) are not entering the wind direction or weather code at all unless it changes (not even a ditto mark!)

Examples:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20100/IMG_0510_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20100/IMG_0511_0.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 October 2015, 12:10:02
I think you are right.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 19 October 2015, 03:16:17
Aha! YESSS!!  This is April 1st 1886 and we learn that the Patterson has 'Enlisted Theophile Fromage as Lds and rated him Cabin Cook'. So - will he be the Big Cheese in the galley?  ::) ;D (You couldn't make it up if you tried ;D)

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2035/IMG_8364_1.jpg

And it's October 11th and Theophile Fromage has asked to be discharged ....  So it looks as though he did really exist.  Probably he couldn't bear the thought of a whole winter sitting in San Francisco (I have some sympathy ....)

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2036/IMG_8481_1.jpg

Maybe he got a job on the USS Philadelphia ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 19 October 2015, 08:38:25
He'd be creamed  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 19 October 2015, 11:38:00
 :P
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 19 October 2015, 12:13:54
 :D :D :D (please note this is the 'cheesy' emoticon ....)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 19 October 2015, 13:14:45
A triple cheese. Pretty bad, eh?   ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 19 October 2015, 13:27:09
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 19 October 2015, 13:30:35
CHEESE!!

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m397h3iAvS1qes94xo2_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 19 October 2015, 13:34:52
Hanibal -that's amazing - a picture of Msr. Fromage - make sure it goes into the history edit for the Patterson.
Well -it's as real as some of their weather recordings  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 19 October 2015, 13:59:08
Brilliant picture hanibal - definitely one for the edited history (which I definitely won't be doing ....)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 21 October 2015, 21:45:41
You can add May 19 1887 to your list of log pages scanned twice, Hanibal.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2037/IMG_8603_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2037/IMG_8604_1.jpg

I just got to the ones for August and remembered I hadn't flagged the May duplicates.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 22 October 2015, 04:56:55
You can add May 19 1887 to your list of log pages scanned twice, Hanibal.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2037/IMG_8603_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2037/IMG_8604_1.jpg

I just got to the ones for August and remembered I hadn't flagged the May duplicates.

Added, thanks. Good to see someone's making use of my list!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 31 October 2015, 12:39:21
Jan 8th 1896 has a VERY blurry scan - even I have a hard time reading it!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20107/IMG_1237_0.jpg

Unfortunately, this is the only scan as far as I can tell. I will transcribe what I can, but a lot of it will be guessing.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 31 October 2015, 13:07:13
don't worry to guess Hanibal - situation as normal -  let others have a go - otherwise use a blank. Having a gander at it now :)

with my new super-reading glasses (and they are clean!) it doesn't look so bad to me - but it's unhelpful at the speeds that you work at I guess. I don't suppose it's the done thing for me to interpret the lot of it - but would that help? Probably transcribers two and three will be OK with it so the planet may yet be saved  ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 31 October 2015, 13:19:13
Looks OK to me - and the logkeeper is using more ink than my present one!  I should be able to do it when I get there ....
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 31 October 2015, 14:20:18
 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 31 October 2015, 16:22:35
Good, that will save me the trouble, Helen.  ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 03 November 2015, 19:03:12
Interesting that James H. Oliver uses the French spelling of north (11 PM). I don't think it's just a badly formed "th" because he doesn't to it for south. This is not the first time he has written nord.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2039/IMG_8808_1.jpg

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 04 November 2015, 08:32:01
It might be his abbreviation for Northward.
In any case, with TWYS you don't need to worry ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 04 November 2015, 08:55:30
That is more likely, Randi. He does write North as well. Nord is a strange abbreviation, though.

This is one thing that I really don't worry about  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 04 November 2015, 11:08:29
That is more likely, Randi. He does write North as well. Nord is a strange abbreviation, though.

This is one thing that I really don't worry about  ;D

I think it is an abbreviation for Northward - not French, and not true North.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 04 November 2015, 11:45:40
This is one thing that I really don't worry about  ;D

Finally an oddity I can just ignore! It's about time!  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 04 November 2015, 11:48:31
What, me worry?  ;D

I am waiting to see if he will come up with Soud, Easd and Wesd  before I make up my mind on this important subject.    ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 04 November 2015, 12:06:35
You are such a Nerd!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 04 November 2015, 12:10:22
I know that's a compliment coming from you, Hanibal  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 06 November 2015, 06:23:40
Some coal bunker sketches:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20108/IMG_1409_0.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 06 November 2015, 08:01:21
TWYS  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 06 November 2015, 08:33:13
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20108/IMG_1408_1.jpg

Looks like they were doing some serious stocking up!!!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 06 November 2015, 14:38:19
TWYS  ;D

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 06 November 2015, 14:53:38
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20108/IMG_1408_1.jpg

Looks like they were doing some serious stocking up!!!

oh I ALWAYS say 'you can just never have enough ballast....'   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 09 November 2015, 06:33:40
I just finished logbook 110. The next one is a rough log of April 1st 1897 - June 30th 1897.
But since that time period was already covered by log 75, which is a smooth one, I shall skip through the rough.
Not much left for me on this ship!  :)

EDIT: Something very weird just happened! I suddenly got taken to the rough version of volume 87, even though I wasn't done with the other one - I didn't even get to May 1897!
Plus, the log number has not changed although the page number has!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20112/IMG_1788_0.jpg - Before (1897)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20112/IMG_3518_0.jpg - After (1900)

Again, I can skip through this one, having already done the smooth version.
I will do that and report on what I get next.

EDIT 2: OK, I got all the way to 30 June 1900 (inclusive), and the next log is volume 113, just as expected.
Guess it's back to normal now - or at least as normal as this ship can ever be.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 09 November 2015, 09:20:17
Oh, and another thing: In Volume 113, "January" is written as "Jany", which looks a bit like "July" - don't get confused, fellow transcribers!

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20113/IMG_3617_0.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 09 November 2015, 17:09:48
Is there anything left for them to mess up I wonder?  :-\ :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 10 November 2015, 08:56:07
Is there anything left for them to mess up I wonder?  :-\ :)

I think they should have named this ship the USC&GSS Murphy's Law  ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 10 November 2015, 13:45:44
Toast always served butter-side-down in the Mess  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 10 November 2015, 13:48:12
I just finished 31st March 1900, which should have been the last page of log 113.
But instead, I got a page from 1892!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20113/IMG_9438_0.jpg

Once more, the page number has changed but the log number has not.
Since I did not transcribe this particular volume - it never popped up in the interface - I shall transcribe all these extra pages.
From what I can tell with URL editing, this fragment goes from 26th Feb to 31st March 1892.

I have also added this oddity to the list in post 1. For each case, I will include a link to the description, in which I will also state whether it can be skipped or not.
For this one, the answer is No, but for the previous case - which I reported yesterday - the answer is Yes.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 10 November 2015, 15:26:59
Hi Hanibal - trying to work through these last few posts - do you think that we are duplicating log books then?  :-\
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 10 November 2015, 16:05:11
Hi Hanibal - trying to work through these last few posts - do you think that we are duplicating log books then?  :-\

No, neither of the two I got so far was a duplicate.
The first was the rough version of a time period for which I had already done the smooth version (Volume 87), so I skipped through it.
The second was supposed to turn up as Volume 50, but I never got it - the interface went straight from 49 to 51. So I will transcribe this one.

I will report all further cases here.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 10 November 2015, 16:29:18
jeepers - If I ever see a ship turned inside out with the sails beneath and waving an anchor in the air I'll know the name  :o
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 10 November 2015, 17:01:33
 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 11 November 2015, 08:55:57
OK, I got through the weirdness, and have been presented with log 114, just as expected.
I also looked through all remaining logs, and found that there will most likely not be any more cases of this oddness, because the page numbers behave normally from here on.
In other words, these two cases I mentioned are the only ones at all.

I also noticed that log 115 is a rough log that I will have to transcribe anyway because there's no clean version. Hope it isn't too bad.
Oh, and logs 118 and 121 have less than the normal 3 months each, but I can't help that.

I will not miss this ship when I'm finally done with my part on her.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 11 November 2015, 16:39:29
I'm sure you won't miss her - I just wonder if there ought to be some secret sign/badge that anyone who worked on the thing should wear. But I can't think of anything batty enough!  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 11 November 2015, 16:47:15
We're all cross eyed from having to type the pressure before the temps. But this is not very secret  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 11 November 2015, 17:29:43
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 11 November 2015, 18:47:31
How about the Silly Kamikaze Watermelon Badge?
Battiest thing I can think of right now!

(http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/12993000/ngbbs467ab614ea7a9.gif)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 11 November 2015, 20:15:13
I would proudly wear that one.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 12 November 2015, 17:04:45
I would also proudly wear that one.  ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 13 November 2015, 07:31:06
Quote
R. Coe Seaman of this ship's company died at Oakland Hospital at 4 P.M.

He had been sent to the hospital two days prior. No reason was given.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2040/IMG_8915_1.jpg

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 13 November 2015, 16:07:57
RIP R. Coe, Seaman
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 14 November 2015, 05:48:42
Log 115 is a little tricky - not only is it a rough one, but they also start recording the Dry and Wet temperatures in Celsius!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20115/IMG_3627_0.jpg

I have to make extra WR for these extra-accurate Celsius temperatures, because the other data also has a Dry temperature.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 14 November 2015, 10:22:58
And I thought we knew every trick that the Patterson has up its sleeve  ::)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 17 November 2015, 10:53:25
How does one transcribe the 4  to 12 PM extra temperatures in this case?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20115/IMG_3672_0.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 November 2015, 13:14:02
How about

./. 1.7   ./. 1.5

?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 17 November 2015, 13:33:58
Fair enough. I added this to the oddity list as "Division signs in logs"
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 November 2015, 13:35:16
Careful - there is a 20,000 character limit ;) ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 17 November 2015, 13:37:48
Careful - there is a 20,000 character limit ;) ;D

I know - but according to Notepad++, that first post now has 4829 chars.
So it should be more than enough - at least I really hope so!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 18 November 2015, 07:37:40
Fair enough. I added this to the oddity list as "Division signs in logs"

Wait - I think this was actually an unusual way to indicate temperatures below 0 C!
It makes sense if you look at the associated F temperature in the Air column.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 November 2015, 08:09:15
Not a terribly good match, but I think you are correct.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 18 November 2015, 12:09:12
I finished that dirty rough log - now there's only smooth ones left for me.
And it looks like there won't be any more extra temperatures on the edge of the grid - woohoo!

Still, after doing this log, my respect for those who wrote the smooth logs has increased by 1000%.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 18 November 2015, 18:11:51
That's a kind thing to say Hanibal!  :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 18 November 2015, 18:16:58
He didn't say how low his respect was to start with so a thousand percent might just bring them up to approaching terrible.  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 18 November 2015, 18:25:13
 ;D oh dear - we are all too funny!  ;D

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 20 November 2015, 08:44:30
This page has a bunch of extra pressure measurements from early in the morning:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20117/IMG_3844_0.jpg

I transcribed them all, of course, times and all.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 20 November 2015, 12:43:16
This is odd - logbook 118 only starts on May 26th 1902, not April 1st like I would expect.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20118/IMG_3924_0.jpg

Plus, ALL the weather pages are blank!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20118/IMG_3959_0.jpg

However, December 31st 1901 (last normal page I did) mentions a lot of crew leaving, and the weather readings stop after noon:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20117/IMG_3916_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20117/IMG_3916_1.jpg

Also, the Events pages of log 118 mention repairs and new crew getting enlisted:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20118/IMG_3925_1.jpg


So, it looks like she was decommissioned and undergoing repairs for a while. Pity there's no details on her NavalHistory page.
Guess I'll just have to skip through this log then.

EDIT: Weather records start again on July 7th 1902.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20119/IMG_3974_0.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 23 November 2015, 11:52:10
Another gap: Logbook 121 ends on January 24th 1903 - again the WR suddenly stop in the middle of the day, and again lots of crew get discharged.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20121/IMG_4193_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20121/IMG_4193_1.jpg

The next log starts on April 13th, not April 1st like usual:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20122/IMG_4199_1.jpg

And weather records only return on May 9th:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20122/IMG_4228_0.jpg

Guess it was another break for repairs or something.



On a completely unrelated topic, I have passed the 150.000 local WR mark - making me the only person to ever do so. Woohoo!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 23 November 2015, 12:10:30
Congratulations - though I'm not sure I understand what a 'local' WR is ....  I'm sure you can enlighten me, and it sounds very impressive anyway!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 23 November 2015, 15:34:22
Is that 150000 on the Patterson then?  :o  Golly gosh -amazing  :o 8)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 23 November 2015, 15:55:03
The "local" is to distinguish it from his record over over 500,000 for all ships combined.

I wonder if Randi has stopped noting our milestones because Hanibal has us all dazzled with his prowess.  ;D :P

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 24 November 2015, 14:31:21
The "local" is to distinguish it from his record over over 500,000 for all ships combined.

Craig is correct. Local WR refers to the WR done on a single ship.

I wonder if Randi has stopped noting our milestones because Hanibal has us all dazzled with his prowess.  ;D :P

Yeah - I wish!  ;D
The real reason is: Randi and the other mods are really busy dealing with the new interface, the whaling spin-off, and OW Talk.
But I'm gonna keep going - I've come too far to give up now!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 24 November 2015, 18:45:01
Good on'ya Hanibal - that's the ticket  ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 November 2015, 19:10:10
I wonder if Randi has stopped noting our milestones because Hanibal has us all dazzled with his prowess.  ;D :P

Yeah - I wish!  ;D
The real reason is: Randi and the other mods are really busy dealing with the new interface, the whaling spin-off, and OW Talk.

 :'(
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 24 November 2015, 19:47:52
That's quite understandable.  I presume we will have no newbies from now on since you can no longer get to the US ships by the public OW address. Noting milestones for us OW addicts is not as important (speaking for myself, at least). Oh, by the way, did I tell you I just passed ... ;D  
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 24 November 2015, 20:38:53
That's quite understandable.  I presume we will have no newbies from now on since you can no longer get to the US ships by the public OW address. Noting milestones for us OW addicts is not as important (speaking for myself, at least). Oh, by the way, did I tell you I just passed ... ;D  

No - the original OW new landing page was to send everyone to oldWeather (meaning the new OW5), Whaling, and Classic - which is us.  When the original landing page gave us a largely broken OW5, they temporarily switched the landing page to just Whaling in order to avoid sending newbies to dead ends.  That has to be changed back once our new beta test comes out and gets its bugs properly squashed.  Sometime soon, between the unknown bugs and the holiday week it is still date unknown but soon.

This has nothing to do with milestones, except that Hanibal is right about us mods needing to get the new children all set up proper.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 25 November 2015, 03:32:46
That has to be changed back once our new beta test comes out and gets its bugs properly squashed.  Sometime soon, between the unknown bugs and the holiday week it is still date unknown but soon.

I have an idea on this: Why not make oldweather.org the "hub" page, with links to and info on all of these:

- The new stuff (OW5)
- Whaling (OW4)
- Classic (OW3)
- Ship histories on NavalHistory
- Maybe OW Talk and this forum as well?

Just a suggestion.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 25 November 2015, 11:19:02
This is weird - I got 3-4-5-4 for the 12 am force!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20124/IMG_4419_0.jpg

Perhaps it means "Started at 3, increased to 4, increased to 5, then went back to 4, all in just 4 hours".
I did TWYS.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 25 November 2015, 11:54:16
I think your guess is correct, Hanibal.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 25 November 2015, 12:14:40
Wow! these pages are really slow going http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2042/IMG_9074_0.jpg

I have to move the capture screen up and down constantly to figure out the writing. And this is complicated by the other irregularities and the occasional slanted image. A scanning electron microscope would be helpful in interpreting his numbers. 3s and 8s are interchangeable as are 5s and 6s and 0s and 1s. At least he puts a bar though his 7s.

Actually, it doesn't look all that bad when you view the entire page using URL editing. It's only when the context is limited to a single row that doubts creep in.

Is there any hope of this guy being given permanent shore leave, Hanibal? As captain, surely you must be able to do something? How about a diplomatic letter to Naval HQ?

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 25 November 2015, 13:03:47
Is there any hope of this guy being given permanent shore leave, Hanibal? As captain, surely you must be able to do something? How about a diplomatic letter to Naval HQ?

Nope - he does leave eventually, and the pages get better. I don't quite remember when though - but you are almost done with the worst part!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 25 November 2015, 13:19:31
I'm not sure whether this look ahead to 1889 cheers me up or not!  I'm early in 1887 at the moment, where the writing isn't too bad (or at least I've got used to it) but there are a lot of slanted pages - sometimes almost every other page.  And the water column is mainly marked as 'wet' but now and again it isn't ....
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 25 November 2015, 16:40:32
Here are some chocolate ship-shaped lolly-pops to keep you all strong in the face of 'those logs'  :o ::) ;D

(http://i.imgur.com/sk0PToB.png)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 25 November 2015, 17:21:35
Wonderful, Joan.  ;D ;D ;D   I feel better already (especially since I'm done for the day).
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 26 November 2015, 10:24:14
Thank you Joan - I'm tempted to lick the screen!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 26 November 2015, 10:41:04
Thank you Joan - I'm tempted to lick the screen!

Have you tried a 3D printer?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 26 November 2015, 11:23:23
I've tried them, Hanibal. They don't taste very good.  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 26 November 2015, 14:29:31
That's not what I meant, you fathead!  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 26 November 2015, 14:46:20
 ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 26 November 2015, 18:24:21
Yeh -frankly the control boards are gritty and the wiring is like trying to chew dental floss - I decided not to even try sauce on my 3D printer  ::) ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 27 November 2015, 09:48:38
On April 8th 1904, the Patterson leaves Port Angeles, Washington, for Honolulu.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20126/IMG_4600_0.jpg

But on April 12th, while still out on the ocean, the destination at the top suddenly changes to San Francisco:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20126/IMG_4604_0.jpg

And she arrives there on April 17th:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20126/IMG_4609_0.jpg

Peaking ahead, I see she leaves again on June 10th for Alaska.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20126/IMG_4664_0.jpg

Wonder what caused the sudden change of plans - mechanical problems? New orders from the big boss? Not enough sunscreen and popsicles for Hawaii?
Ah well - it's not my job to reason why, so I'll just keep on going.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 27 November 2015, 11:15:52
Probably feeling homesick - she spends an inordinate amount of time in and around San Francisco ....
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 30 November 2015, 08:24:33
In June 1904, she starts recording wet bulb temperatures again for some, but not all of the WR - in port and at sea:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20126/IMG_4674_0.jpg (9-12 am and 5-8 pm)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20127/IMG_4707_0.jpg (all but last two)

I know these are in the Water column, but I'm transcribing them as Wet because they are rounded to the first decimal digit, which I have only seen with Wet and never with Water temperatures, and because there have been other Patterson logs where the Wet values were written in the Water column.
Plus, they are currently in the Arctic, and I remember Kevin once said that they do Dry/Wet when in the Arctic.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 03 December 2015, 08:12:41
Found an insert containing a bunch of surface ocean temperatures:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20129/IMG_4971_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20129/IMG_4972_1.jpg

I'm sure these should be transcribed - but how?
The problem is that the date labelings don't make sense - for example, square 2 claims to be March 16th - 17th, but square 3 claims to be March 17th-18th, although both have two whole day's worth of different measurements. So if this were correct, it would mean two completely different sets of temperatures for March 17th!
And I don't think it's two different things being measured either - square 1 (upper right) starts at 4.34 pm (when they left Hawaii), but only one set of measurements starts then!

I will wait for an official response before proceeding.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 December 2015, 08:29:04
I think there is a place to post this type of thing. I'll check.
I would not recommend transcribing it at the moment.



Please put a link under: Interesting data found but not transcribed (meteorological, oceanographic, etc.) (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4093.0)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 03 December 2015, 08:55:08
I think there is a place to post this type of thing. I'll check.
I would not recommend transcribing it at the moment.



Please put a link under: Interesting data found but not transcribed (meteorological, oceanographic, etc.) (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4093.0)

OK, I posted the table there. Should I skip it and keep going, or wait for what Philip has to say on this? I'd rather do the latter to be sure.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 December 2015, 09:13:06
With the launch today I am not even going to ask Philip till tomorrow.

The science team's original comments included:
"The difficulty with data like this is that we can't promise to use it - it's tempting, it's interesting, but we don't KNOW that it will be used in science - there's a risk that transcribing it will be a waste of someone's time."
and
"Since the US logs will be available in perpetuity on the National Archives website it would be easy enough for someone to go back for it later."
It seems to me that anyone who wants to use this very cryptic data will have to figure out how to transcribe it. It really doesn't fit into our interface.

My advice is to click I've finished with this page and then go into My Pages and record the Page number of that page so that you can go back and do it later if necessary.

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 04 December 2015, 18:06:56
I did it! I finished the last log, and got that special message! Woohoo!

This was quite a tough ship. She was much larger than I thought when I joined up, and had so many oddities and weird things. So. Many.
My thanks go to asterix135 for starting the log list (which I can now state is 100% complete), and Janet Jaguar for sending me a list of logs by email, that included which ones were rough and which had been removed. That was a huge help.

Now to go celebrate my triumph!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 04 December 2015, 18:11:05
Congrats, Hanibal!  That's a lot of work.  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 05 December 2015, 05:34:51
Well done!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 05 December 2015, 07:50:56
I did it! I finished the last log, and got that special message! Woohoo!

This was quite a tough ship. She was much larger than I thought when I joined up, and had so many oddities and weird things. So. Many.
My thanks go to asterix135 for starting the log list (which I can now state is 100% complete), and Janet Jaguar for sending me a list of logs by email, that included which ones were rough and which had been removed. That was a huge help.

Now to go celebrate my triumph!

Great piece of work Hanibal! Well done - enjoy it  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 15 December 2015, 11:24:47
This log keeper is a minimalist, which could cause a problem for Philip. (Perhaps Hanibal has already mentioned this).

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2045/IMG_9385_0.jpg

For Philip to get the correct position for the pressure digits it would be necessary for us to insert two or three leading blanks when only the last 2 digits are recorded. But if he removes all spaces before comparing the 3 transcriptions he would get the wrong result.

There are other pages where there is a liberal mix of left, right or both left and right. And sometimes he puts in a " plus the last 2 digits.

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 15 December 2015, 17:23:04
Hi Craig, I'll try to track these down for you. They have been raised (I asked myself once) before now. It came back as 'TWYS please' ...more shortly :)

They must have been paying over the odds for their ink given the way they use it so sparingly  :-\
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 15 December 2015, 17:50:44
I'm pretty sure that I did TWYS (Sorry, but I don't have time to dig it up). Since the 1 am pressure always has the integer bit, as do any where it goes from 29 to 30 or vice versa, I hope the scientists can find some way to work around it.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 15 December 2015, 18:00:33
Thanks Hanibal! :)

So far I tracked your moment of finding this problem:  http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg106601#msg106601

I just started a new log book (October 28th - Dec 31st 1890), and it has some oddities:

- The printing mistake where 6 and 7 pm get swapped (I mentioned this before (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg105967#msg105967))
- Wind direction and weather code are almost never recorded
- The integer part of barometer readings is only written down for the first record, and whenever it changes from 29.XX to 30.XX and vice-versa.

Here's an example page with all of these things: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2045/IMG_9401_0.jpg

But I've checked a short way onwards after that and cannot yet see the reply. I'll take this up again tomorrow night (getting too late now  :( )  :)

(I used the term book%2045 in my search for these details)  (note to self - got to p28 of Patterson thread)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 15 December 2015, 19:03:47
Thanks to you both for looking into this.

So, TWYS means putting in the three leading spaces when all they record are the 2 digits after the (missing) decimal point.  Is that you you did, Hanibal?

So far, I have just been typing the numbers and ignoring the spaces.

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 16 December 2015, 04:06:02
Thanks to you both for looking into this.

So, TWYS means putting in the three leading spaces when all they record are the 2 digits after the (missing) decimal point.  Is that you you did, Hanibal?

So far, I have just been typing the numbers and ignoring the spaces.

No, I meant type in the numbers and ignore the spaces. That's what I did.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 16 December 2015, 09:06:47
Hello from Whaling Ship Herman on June 4th 1911.
https://static.zooniverse.org/whaling-data.oldweather.org/subjects/logbookofhermanst00unse_0031.jpg

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Sighted land at 8.30pm and arrived at Unalaska at 4pm.  Found Rev. Cutter Tahoma Stmr Titania Capt Krogar.  U.S.S. Patterson alongside Wharf and at anchor.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 December 2015, 13:30:56
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%204/IMG_5265_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%204/IMG_5265_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 16 December 2015, 15:01:43
Thanks to you both for looking into this.

So, TWYS means putting in the three leading spaces when all they record are the 2 digits after the (missing) decimal point.  Is that you you did, Hanibal?

So far, I have just been typing the numbers and ignoring the spaces.

No, I meant type in the numbers and ignore the spaces. That's what I did.

I'm with you Hanibal - just put the numbers down  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 16 December 2015, 15:08:15
I found this from Hanibal too. It's at the bottom of the very first posting in this thread.

http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg53913#msg53913

List of common oddities and errors in the logs:

The Patterson has an unusually high number of problems and issues in her logs. These are listed here, along with links to how we should handle them.

Logs from the 1910s:


Logs from the 19th century:

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 16 December 2015, 15:14:15
I haven't added the minimalist pressure records to that list, because I didn't think it needed to be added.
Other ships have this problem too, and the solution is always: Just type the numbers that are there, ignore the spaces.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 16 December 2015, 15:40:28
Agreed Hanibal. I  looked through all the messages and found nothing specific (I was sure there was something there but perhaps it was another ship?).  :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 16 December 2015, 16:48:46
When in doubt, TWYS.   ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 16 December 2015, 16:57:19
and I don't see spaces  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 18 December 2015, 13:47:13
Kevin just emailed me a back-story bit on the Patterson.  Quite interesting, I think.  :)

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something to pass along to the crew of the Patterson

http://www.history.noaa.gov/cgsbios/biom14.html



This is in addition to some photos of Miller.
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3394.msg120143#msg120143
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 18 December 2015, 14:06:34
Thanks for that - a sad end to an adventurous life.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 18 December 2015, 14:15:15
yes - tragic - I'm sure he had much to offer the survey  :(
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 23 December 2015, 08:10:35
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2047/IMG_9552_0.jpg

It's not always consistent but the Air temp is most often lower than the "Water". It has been like this since Jan 16 1891. Hanibal doesn't seem to have mentioned this in the pre-1910 problems.  In previous books "Water" has been "Wet" and until now nothing seems to have contradicted this convention even though it is not explicitly written.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 23 December 2015, 11:08:56
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2047/IMG_9552_0.jpg

It's not always consistent but the Air temp is most often lower than the "Water". It has been like this since Jan 16 1891. Hanibal doesn't seem to have mentioned this in the pre-1910 problems.  In previous books "Water" has been "Wet" and until now nothing seems to have contradicted this convention even though it is not explicitly written.

I always transcribed the "Water" as Wet. The reason I didn't mention "Air" being lower than "Water" is because this is something we're not supposed to correct:

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Do NOT switch columns just because the wet bulb temperature is higher than the dry bulb temperature. There may be other problems with these records and the team wants to know about them.
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3191.msg51628#msg51628
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 23 December 2015, 12:16:46
Quite so, Hanibal. This is what I did. I was just making a record of this for the benefit of the science team.

Have a good Christmas!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 25 December 2015, 08:43:53
It's not surprising that the captain finally enlisted him. The crew were always calling out "Ship Ahoy!"

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2047/IMG_9601_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 12 January 2016, 17:23:10
I just did two pages..felt very weird after all this time  :o :D
Nice to know that they are still scribbling in the titles for the columns  ::)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 12 January 2016, 17:40:53
It gets better in '92. Sometimes just one word. And they even offer some lat/longs occasionally.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 12 January 2016, 18:02:33
...And they even offer some lat/longs occasionally.

oh hey - now - I'm not sure I can manage that level of excitement....  ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 12 January 2016, 18:37:51
I almost lost my bearings  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 12 January 2016, 19:04:53
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 January 2016, 13:52:11
10th June 1896 Victoria B.C.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol027of055/vol027of055_167_1.jpg
...hello to the Patterson in Seattle
The Comd'g Officer, U.S.C.S. Patterson paid an official visit to the ship.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20108/IMG_1407_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20108/IMG_1407_1.jpg
 ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 14 January 2016, 15:00:39
Looks like you can believe the log keepers unless they are both cooking the books.  ;D

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 14 January 2016, 16:13:59
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 09 February 2016, 20:09:04
Where are you at in the logs, Helen?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 10 February 2016, 08:01:36
I ended up yesterday at December 21st 1887, Craig.  Not likely to do much more until early next week as I'm going to be away, with meetings to go to and not much in the way of internet connection.  :(
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 03 April 2016, 14:15:57
And in exciting news from the Patterson - we've finally made it to 75%!  I was beginning to think we were stuck at 74% for ever.

And something exciting actually happened on board as well, which is very rare.  It's 26th October 1888 and we're in Port Townsend, W.T. when ....

At 1.00pm noticed the flag on the Chilean ship, in port at half mast with union down. Sent cutter in charge of Ensign McDonald to find out whether they wanted assistance - he found that the crew had mutinied. The cutter was then sent back in charge of Ensign Slocum with boatswain and six men. Ensign Oliver reported the circumstances to the municipal authorities ashore. Six men were taken ashore and turned over to the municipal authorities.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2040/IMG_8900_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 03 April 2016, 14:24:42
I am back on board now, Helen. We should make a percentage point every 2 weeks or so unless more transcribers join us.

The mutiny of the Chilean ship is indeed an exciting event for the Patterson.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 03 April 2016, 14:29:30
Welcome back, Craig!  I'm afraid we're heading back to San Francisco for the winter, but you'll be accustomed to that ....  ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 03 April 2016, 15:27:58
I'm at March 1893, Helen, so I am looking forward to heading north soon.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 04 April 2016, 11:07:08
Ah, you're well ahead of me, that's good as we won't be getting in each other's way (not that I would mind desperately ....)  Apart from knowing where we are, there's not really any problem with skipping days.  And as you know, we often spend a very long time in one place so even that isn't often a problem.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 04 April 2016, 12:23:42
The science team will definitely not have a shortage of weather data for SF.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 04 April 2016, 13:03:04
Stuart's also rejoined the Patterson - he told me.
I think he's in the third stream with Helen, but the time difference between you two should be enough to work something out. He and I got along very well when we were doing the Vicksburg together.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 04 April 2016, 13:39:49
Yes, I don't think it will be a problem.  As you know, Patterson has everything on one page, and there's usually not much to transcribe except the weather, so skipping pages isn't much of a difficulty.  I'm just so glad to have some company again!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 04 April 2016, 17:56:17
On the days when I am not playing with the trains I usually start at 21:00 GMT so we should be OK.
Trains are on MY Tuesdays and Wednesdays. Planes on Saturdays. Boats the rest of the days.
One could sing, Trains and Boats and Planes are passing by. But I won't
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 05 April 2016, 04:32:57
Oh, and I already posted all the officer's lists (but not the regular crew info) in the Crew topic and all the thermometer/barometer info in the appropriate topic, so no need to worry about that.
Plus, there are numerous cases of pages being scanned twice for no apparent reason - I reported all of them, starting here: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3383.msg101816#msg101816
You guys can use my posts from there as a reference if you like. There's quite a lot of duplicates.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 05 April 2016, 08:53:30
Thanks, Hanibal - I thought that was the case but it's good to have it confirmed.  And yes, Stuart, I'm very unlikely to be around at 21.00 GMT, so we should work well together.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 05 April 2016, 11:56:45
Hanibal, I have a different order of log books from what you show here http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg72433#msg72433

After  31/03/1893 I jump to 01/01/1918
After  18/01/1918 I jump to 01/04/1897

I didn't get log book #56:  01/04/1893 - 30/06/1893
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 05 April 2016, 12:30:26
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After  18/01/1918 I jump to 01/04/1997

That's quite a jump!
Are you sure that is the same Patterson?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 05 April 2016, 12:47:26
Yes. It's only the log book #72 in Hanibal's list that is so far out of order. The next one, #75, reverts to April 1897.

I now see that Hanibal noted that #56 "doesn't appear to come up for transcription". He must have found it by URL editing.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 05 April 2016, 13:00:05
I now see that Hanibal noted that #56 "doesn't appear to come up for transcription". He must have found it by URL editing.

That is correct. I was able to access some, but not all of the log, via URL editing.
And it never appeared - so I changed the wording to "does not come up for transcription" for that one and some others.

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After  18/01/1918 I jump to 01/04/1997

That's quite a jump!
Are you sure that is the same Patterson?

Just a typo. I've seen Craig do that before.
I corrected it.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 05 April 2016, 13:41:25
Ha, making fun of me, were you, Randi?  Indeed, the Patterson was renovated and converted into a nuclear-powered destroyer in 1990. Strange that that doesn't appear in Naval History ;D

(Just kidding)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 05 April 2016, 13:58:13
Please tell me those logs aren't going to be added to what we've already got ....  :'(
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 08 April 2016, 13:13:53
Well, whatever gifts Patterson got for Christmas 1888 didn't include ink!  I've just got started on January 6th 1889, and it's all gone very faint indeed.  I can only hope that Santa is still on his way and has a large bottle of ink in his sack for Patterson ....  :(
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 08 April 2016, 15:56:01
Hi Helen! The log keeper on the whaler Milo also reckoned that the water from the bridge flower vase was good to use  ::)  I've downloaded a program suggested by mapurves and which is brilliantly useful. It's irfanview. If you're interested in details I'll send it on to you. It makes it possible to read a copy of the page you're doing - it won't do anything for the page you actually mark. But any port in a storm eh?  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 08 April 2016, 16:17:37
Thank you Joan - yes, please PM me the details.  It seems to depend a bit on which log keeper we have - one of them not only has slightly better writing, but also appears to take a little more ink with his water.  But I would say that Santa has given them a miss ....
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 08 April 2016, 17:35:54
Will do Helen - digging details out now :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 08 April 2016, 18:06:44
I am on a bad log book now too http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2076/IMG_2089_0.jpg

They really were insensitive to our needs.   :(
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 08 April 2016, 18:17:18
Will do Helen - digging details out now :)
ouch   got waylaid - back onto this now  :o
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 08 April 2016, 20:33:00
Hi Craig.
I am still back on 2041.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 08 April 2016, 20:54:54
This one, Stuart? http://2041.com/about-us
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 09 April 2016, 00:39:23
No, not that one, but it is worth a good look at.  ;)

They are using the same vessel as I went on to the North West Passage.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 09 April 2016, 04:25:17
I think Stuart means logbook 2041:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2041/IMG_8940_1.jpg

It's actually just logbook 41 - the 20 is part of the URL encoding %20, used to represent spaces in URLs.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 09 April 2016, 08:02:41
Good thing you asked, Stuart. I looked at Hanibal's list of log books and saw that it was #76, which is a duplicate of #78. I was glad to click though it. #78 is very clear.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 09 April 2016, 14:14:15
Property values are probably not very high in this location  ;D

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2078/IMG_2315_0.jpg

http://www.backwater.org/herring/history/MurderCove.html
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 09 April 2016, 15:11:47
Do you mean that in deadly earnest Craig? ( ;D ;D ;D )
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 09 April 2016, 15:57:17
No, it was a long shot, Joan. I'm not dead certain and I may be making a grave error in this supposition.  :D

Of course, as Ogden Nash once wrote, it's not the cough that carries you off, it's the coffin they carry you off in.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 09 April 2016, 16:03:56
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 09 April 2016, 18:21:54
Good thing you asked, Stuart. I looked at Hanibal's list of log books and saw that it was #76, which is a duplicate of #78. I was glad to click though it. #78 is very clear.

Any other of the duplicates that are a better choice?

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 09 April 2016, 19:31:20
Not that I can tell but better ask Hanibal.

Here's his list http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg72433#msg72433
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 09 April 2016, 19:39:12
The ones I marked as "Duplicate" are the rough logs, which should never be transcribed unless the smooth logs are not available.
With most ships, the rough logs never got scanned in the first place. But the Patterson is not most ships.
Fortunately, most of the rough ones were later removed from the interface.

In a nutshell: Don't transcribe any of the ones I marked as DUPLICATE.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 09 April 2016, 22:59:10
Thanks, I now undersdtand.
I hope I can still remember when I get to them.
Have printed a list.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 12 April 2016, 10:03:44
Bad news. The Cosmos hit a rock and sunk.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2079/IMG_2397_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 12 April 2016, 11:56:03
 :o

How big is the Cosmos? It looks like they're going to try to raise it?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 12 April 2016, 12:35:36
It's one of their smaller boats they used for sending out survey crews, Bob. They did succeed in raising it, but with some difficulty.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 29 April 2016, 17:03:08
But you can handle it ;D

Sure, I can handle it - but what about everybody else? Craig abandoned this vessel because he got bored of being in port for 7 months on end!
Besides, just because I can take it doesn't mean I like it - I don't!
In fact, I'm beginning to think this ship should have 4 stars!

I should have stayed abandoned. I am now in the log book with the extra temperature columns in centigrade. How did you fit 48 WRs on a single page without going blind?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 29 April 2016, 18:03:09
I drew the boxes in a way that they all fit on the page: As high and long as an ordinary WR row - in this case, from "Wind Direction" to "Weather".
That leaves enough space to stick another box on the right for the extra temperatures in Celsius.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 29 April 2016, 19:13:41
That didn't occur to me. Thanks, Hanibal.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 05 May 2016, 18:23:29
Log book 41 finished, (ended 04 July 1889).

42 just started. NOTE change in position of the Ther. Attached to column after Barograph.

Also note (as probably noted before) hrs in PM go ..4, 5, 7, 6, 8, 9 ..... 
Do I do them as numbered above or follow down in hr sequence 5,6,7,8  ?

Don't expect to much more done by me as I/We start a 3 month caravan trip on Monday.
 :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 05 May 2016, 19:38:37
Ignore the 6-7 inversion of the printed hours, Stuart. You will see in some cases that the log keeper crosses out the printed numbers and writes the correct ones.

You're not taking your laptop with you on the caravan? Not being at home is no excuse.  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 06 May 2016, 13:25:59
Thanks for flagging up the latest Patterson peculiarities, Stuart - never a dull moment .... ;D  Have you any idea where we are? - along with teeny tiny writing the latest log keeper spurns anything so conventional as giving a location.

I'm not sure that you earn three months' shore leave even by this public service though .... Sounds like desertion to me!

Seriously, have a great time - sounds a great adventure.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 06 May 2016, 18:30:04
Thanks for flagging up the latest Patterson peculiarities, Stuart - never a dull moment .... ;D  Have you any idea where we are? - along with teeny tiny writing the latest log keeper spurns anything so conventional as giving a location.

July 5 1889 we are in Alaska. (I know, that's not much help but some times it is SE Alaska which helps.)   ;)

I'm not sure that you earn three months' shore leave even by this public service though .... Sounds like desertion to me!
X Public Service, 7 yrs retired, sprung deserting  :-[
Seriously, have a great time - sounds a great adventure.

Will do, thanks.

I will occasionally look at the forum so please continue telling me how good I am.   ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 07 May 2016, 08:18:39
You're good Stuart. :D :D :D  Off you go then  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 07 May 2016, 18:32:57
You're good Stuart. :D :D :D  Off you go then  ;D

Ah, gee fanks Joan, I liked that.    8)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 09 May 2016, 05:00:11
Ignore the 6-7 inversion of the printed hours, Stuart. You will see in some cases that the log keeper crosses out the printed numbers and writes the correct ones.

Scuse me for being late, just wanted to say that Craig is correct.
When this issue first popped up, Randi had to ask Philip to resolve it:

Alright, I have to come to a conclusion: I will ignore the printing error - in other words, I will transcribe as if these were perfectly normal logs, and NOT follow strict TWYS.
I believe this is correct because it has been explicitly corrected some of the time, and because it makes more sense that way if you look at how the values go up or down - if you assume the one right below 5 pm is always 6 pm, and the one just above 8 pm is always 7 pm, it just makes more sense.

Philip says:

I'm with Hanibal on this - this is an irrelevant typo that the logbook keeper effectively corrected for (by ignoring the error. Please transcribe the page as if the error had been explicitly corrected (as Hanibal is doing).

And thanks for the warning - I'll keep an eye out for the issue in other logs.


This affects the logs from July 5th 1889 to June 30th 1894. Then it stops.
Just another day on the USC&GSS Murphy's Law  ;)

(Don't forget: There's a list of all them nasty problems in the very first post of this topic!)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 09 May 2016, 08:14:30
Oh, only five years with the 6- 7 inversion - certainly long enough for me to get entirely accustomed to it and have to retrain myself when it finally stops.  Life is never dull .... 
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 09 May 2016, 09:05:46
It's even worse than that, Helen - the logs are out of order, so you will first have to do July 5th 1889 to March 31st 1893 (volumes 42 to 55).
Then you jump forward to volume 75, which starts April 1st 1897, and have to do some really out-of-order ones until you finish volume 88.
Then you jump back to volume 94 (DUPLICATE of 55!), and can do July 1st 1893 - June 30th 1894 (volumes 96 - 99, there's no volume 95).

So you'll get used to it, then you'll have to retrain yourself, then you'll have to get used to it again, then you'll have to retrain yourself again!
(I am not trying to demoralize you or anybody else - honest!)

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 09 May 2016, 11:00:12
And of course by the time I've done the next four years or so, I'll have forgotten all about this post and will wonder what on earth is going on!  However I think I have fixed in my memory that the beginning of this post is a good place to look when confused.  I think if I was going to get demoralized about Patterson I would have made it by now ....   :D  And it has been very good training at checking what's going on (now) and adjusting accordingly.  I find it doesn't take me long to settle into the 'new normal' - which is also helpful for transcribing on other ships.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 10 May 2016, 12:25:23
Helen, I highly recommend Michael's box-drawing script for doing this ship especially. The script takes care of the hour for you so you never make a mistake. The way it's set up now, when I finish a row I press Alt and the numeric pad enter key. This saves the current row, draws the box for the next row, automatically inserts the hour and puts a tentative quote mark in Wind Direction. (The latter is highlighted so that if you enter a wind direction it replaces the quote with what you type but if there is a quote in the log - which there often is - you just tab to the next column).

Today I did 30 pages in less time than it used to take me to do 21 pages. It takes a while to get used to it but once you do you will wonder why you didn't try it out before. I also save time in checking before saving the page. Now I only scan the temperatures on the sidebar looking for anomalies. There is no longer any need to check the hours.

Michael has done a lot of fine tuning with this script so it is easy to use once you get used to not using the mouse. It has been well tested on Patterson logs.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 10 May 2016, 12:54:54
(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_4547.gif)(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_4547.gif)(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_4547.gif)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 11 May 2016, 19:43:23
I'll second Randi - it's a brilliant job - very helpful :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 17 May 2016, 14:02:56
Grog all round!  Patterson has made it to 80% - the finishing line isn't exactly in sight, given the size of the logs, but we are definitely on the downward slope ....     :D :D :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 17 May 2016, 14:15:42
Yes - we all deserve a good drink!  :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 17 May 2016, 14:41:19
The Patterson has a habit of driving one to drink  8)
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Post by: AvastMH on 17 May 2016, 16:06:29
The muse of Patterson transcribers?  ;)

(http://i.imgur.com/oxanQ4P.png)
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Post by: Helen J on 18 May 2016, 11:56:34
She looks far too tranquil!  Any Patterson transcriber spends a lot of time with their head in their hands as some new idiosyncrasy rears its ugly head.  Intravenous grog might be the answer ....
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Post by: Craig on 18 May 2016, 12:07:02
Intravenous grog might to the trick  ;D

She's the muse. She just sits there and looks pretty while we suckers do the hard work  ;D
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Post by: Michael on 18 May 2016, 13:40:11
Intravenous grog might to the trick  ;D

She's the muse. She just sits there and looks pretty while we suckers do the hard work  ;D

Can I assume, then, that OW is a gateway drug which leads to a more serious addiction?  ;D
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Post by: Randi on 18 May 2016, 14:07:19
There's a more serious addiction? :o

What is more serious than OW transcribing?
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Post by: Hanibal94 on 18 May 2016, 14:10:44
Chocolate!
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Post by: Helen J on 18 May 2016, 14:40:48
Transcribing with chocolate is a difficult combination to beat - two addictions in one ....  ;)
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Post by: Michael on 18 May 2016, 14:59:01
Transcribing with chocolate is a difficult combination to beat - two addictions in one ....  ;)

French dark chocolate with almonds and a cat.
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Post by: AvastMH on 18 May 2016, 16:55:50
 :o :o :o I got very confused by the relationship of the almonds, cat, and chocolate for a minute there  ;D
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Post by: Helen J on 19 May 2016, 08:12:05
:o :o :o I got very confused by the relationship of the almonds, cat, and chocolate for a minute there  ;D

 :D :D :D
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Post by: Randi on 19 May 2016, 08:20:39
Want almonds, want cat, want chocolate ;)
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Post by: Michael on 19 May 2016, 13:07:08
Want almonds, want cat, want chocolate ;)

They're in the mail. The black cat is Toby, the grey one is Lucy. Chocolates and almonds in a separate package so they don't get covered in cat hair.   ;D

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Post by: Helen J on 19 May 2016, 13:08:32
Moving away from almonds, cats and chocolate (sorry) - we're always thinking that we could do with a hand with Patterson - well have a look at this page ....

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2042/IMG_9101_1.jpg
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Post by: Bob on 19 May 2016, 13:44:30
 ;D

http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3383.msg105210#msg105210
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Post by: AvastMH on 19 May 2016, 13:50:11
 ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Craig on 11 June 2016, 07:51:30
Interesting that they are laying cement and bricks on the galley floor. Protection against fire?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20110/IMG_1628_1.jpg

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Post by: Craig on 11 June 2016, 09:07:01
Hanibal, in your handy list of log books for the Patterson http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg72433#msg72433 you have for #112 "April 1st -22nd 1896" but it should be 1897. It is still a duplicate though and the reference to #75 is correct.
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Post by: Hanibal94 on 11 June 2016, 09:39:24
Thanks Craig - must have been a typo. Skip through that one.
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Post by: Bob on 11 June 2016, 09:43:44
It would seem so.

"Hot ashes have set fire to a wooden deck through four inches of cement."  :o

Transactions of the Society of Naval Architects and Marine Engineers, Volume 18 (https://books.google.com/books?id=RjtOAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA192&lpg=PA192&dq=navy+brick+galley+floor&source=bl&ots=WRgBkyoYLL&sig=fmpR-m9rVpqFx83ssCUbzhbwMJ4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjU5auI_5_NAhUDKB4KHZnHA18Q6AEITjAM#v=onepage&q=navy%20brick%20galley%20floor&f=false)

Interesting that they are laying cement and bricks on the galley floor. Protection against fire?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 16 June 2016, 07:57:16
This is the worst log book I have encountered in the Patterson. Previously there was one like it but there was a duplicate that was much clearer so we skipped through the bad one. Hanibal hasn't indicated that such is the case for this one. Fortunately, we will be in Seattle before long and there will be only 6 WRs per page.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20115/IMG_3633_0.jpg
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Post by: Randi on 16 June 2016, 08:06:57
Log 115 is a little tricky - not only is it a rough one, but they also start recording the Dry and Wet temperatures in Celsius!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20115/IMG_3627_0.jpg

I have to make extra WR for these extra-accurate Celsius temperatures, because the other data also has a Dry temperature.

Fair enough. I added this to the oddity list as "Division signs in logs"

Wait - I think this was actually an unusual way to indicate temperatures below 0 C!
It makes sense if you look at the associated F temperature in the Air column.
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Post by: Craig on 16 June 2016, 08:13:12
Yeah, I just saw those posts, Randi. It's going to be tough going for the next dozen pages but there's (faint) light at the end of the tunnel.
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Post by: Craig on 19 June 2016, 13:07:47
Here's a log page somebody used to wipe their hands on. http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20115/IMG_3651_0.jpg
Actually, it's pretty rough weather so they must have been holding on for dear life.

The good news is that once in Seattle (two pages later) the images are clearer and only 6 WRs per page. And I peeked ahead at the next log book and it's virtual Nirvana. No more added fields! There is a definite risk that I will become complacent  ;D

I only have to finish December to be freed from this eye-clouding-mind-numbing-finger-fumbling-WR-warping work.

In the meantime, it's Fathers' Day in the land of the beaver so, after having been treated to nice breakfast by my daughter, I plan to spend the rest of the day relaxing.

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Post by: AvastMH on 19 June 2016, 13:33:47
There's been times when the writing was less visible than those grubby marks  :D

Have a fine father's day  :D
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Post by: Craig on 19 June 2016, 13:45:55
Good to hear you say that, Joan. Helen will appreciate a bit of help with the 3rd stream and you've made a good start at it. ;D
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Post by: AvastMH on 19 June 2016, 13:52:17
Have I? Oh! - frankly I had no idea of where I was with Patterson.  I kind of didn't want to - every day a happy surprise awaits - sort of  ;) ;D :o
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Post by: Helen J on 19 June 2016, 14:35:56
Here's a log page somebody used to wipe their hands on. http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20115/IMG_3651_0.jpg
Actually, it's pretty rough weather so they must have been holding on for dear life.

The good news is that once in Seattle (two pages later) the images are clearer and only 6 WRs per page. And I peeked ahead at the next log book and it's virtual Nirvana. No more added fields! There is a definite risk that I will become complacent  ;D

I only have to finish December to be freed from this eye-clouding-mind-numbing-finger-fumbling-WR-warping work.

In the meantime, it's Fathers' Day in the land of the beaver so, after having been treated to nice breakfast by my daughter, I plan to spend the rest of the day relaxing.

Hope you had a great Father's Day.  And it's good to know that in a mere year or so I may be in the fabled land of only 6WR!  However back in December 1889 (and guess where - Mare Island ...) it's still a solid 24WRs.  However the writing has got rather better again, so there's always something to be glad about.
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Post by: Craig on 20 June 2016, 13:03:53
Mare Island is such a nice place  ::)

I am now past the rough log and doing July 1901 in Dundas Bay, Alaska. It appears to be clear sailing from now on but I won't count on it.

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Post by: Helen J on 21 June 2016, 12:25:01
Mare Island is such a nice place  ::)

I am now past the rough log and doing July 1901 in Dundas Bay, Alaska. It appears to be clear sailing from now on but I won't count on it.

Very wise!  ;D ;D
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Post by: Craig on 07 July 2016, 21:08:31
Helen, you slipped past asterix135 and nobody even noticed!  8) 8) 8)

(or was it just me who wasn't paying attention?)
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Post by: Randi on 08 July 2016, 02:55:19
Great job, Helen!
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Post by: Hanibal94 on 08 July 2016, 08:12:16
Congratulations, Helen!

(It wasn't just you, Craig. I didn't notice either)
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Post by: Randi on 08 July 2016, 08:23:56
(It wasn't just you, Craig. I didn't notice either) ;)
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Post by: Helen J on 08 July 2016, 20:45:30
I noticed at some point, but wasn't sure how long ago it had happened ....  Thank you all for your congratulations!
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Post by: AvastMH on 09 July 2016, 18:32:03
Cor!! Well done Helen. Perhaps Asterix might notice and come back to try to keep up with you folk! :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 17 July 2016, 11:11:50
I have finished the Patterson. This sums up my feeling about her  ;D

What a frustrating ship is the Patterson
Where consistency, it would seem, matters none
Long winters in Frisco
Where even the skiffs go
And the seven before six just shatters one

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Post by: Randi on 17 July 2016, 11:20:35
(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_1851.gif) (http://www.desismileys.com/)

For both your scientific and your literary efforts!
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Post by: Bob on 17 July 2016, 11:34:46
 :o 8)

Great work!

I have finished the Patterson. This sums up my feeling about her  ;D
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Post by: AvastMH on 17 July 2016, 12:07:43
I have finished the Patterson. This sums up my feeling about her  ;D

Fantastic Craig -  congratulations!   :D
I think that few people plodding our streets can imagine how heroic are the efforts of all OldWeatheres, and the fight that the Patterson log has put up to not be understood has been epic. (She's not alone in that for sure, there's plenty left being worked on.  ;) ;))

Well done again Craig!
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Post by: Helen J on 17 July 2016, 13:02:27
Well done Craig - what a feat of perseverance!  I hope the odd other transcriber (or even any not odd transcribers around) might come to join me on the long slog towards completion ....
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Post by: Hanibal94 on 17 July 2016, 13:06:42
Many congratulations, Craig!

That limerick is brilliant - exactly what I remember her being like.

I hope the odd other transcriber (or even any not odd transcribers around) might come to join me on the long slog towards completion ....

I think Stuart will, but he's still on his huge Oz Tour right now. I'll ask him when he gets back.
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Post by: Michael on 17 July 2016, 14:07:11
Hurray for you, Craig!

What's next on your bucket list?
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Post by: Craig on 17 July 2016, 14:31:57
Thanks everybody. You are right, Joan. There are lot's of difficult log books. I remember the Yukon wasn't much fun a times - especially when the Yukon wasn't even the Yukon. What was it again? Mary-Ann or something like that? What bothered me the most with the Patterson logs was not the 7 before 6 but the temperature before pressure. It will take me a while to unlearn that.

I guess I will go back to the Unalga, as long as it doesn't interfere with Matteo's transcribing. I stopped at 1919 and it looks like he's now at 1929.

I've already set up the box-draw parameters for it, Michael. It looks like there's a lot of empty space on the page where I am now.
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Post by: AvastMH on 17 July 2016, 17:36:31
Well done Craig - what a feat of perseverance!  I hope the odd other transcriber (or even any not odd transcribers around) might come to join me on the long slog towards completion ....

I'll drop by for old time's sake...it would be break from slaughtering whales. Actually it'll make a break from hauling boats in and out of the water after fruitless whale chases - my arms are killing me - I'll look like Popeye soon  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 17 July 2016, 17:46:41
You will be very welcome on board, Joan.  And assuming you're in the same stream as me, which I think you must be now that both hanibal and Craig have finished, we are at least not at Mare Island!  And nothing gets slaughtered (except the rules for filling in log books ....)
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Post by: Michael on 17 July 2016, 19:22:02
See my message, Helen. I've jumped ship from Yorktown and the Philippines, and I am now that chilly old man poring over your poorly written logbooks.  ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 17 July 2016, 20:26:39
You will be very welcome on board, Joan. 

Okey dokey  :D

And assuming you're in the same stream as me, which I think you must be now that both hanibal and Craig have finished, we are at least not at Mare Island!

Okey dokey  :D

And nothing gets slaughtered (except the rules for filling in log books ....)

 ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 17 July 2016, 20:28:03
See my message, Helen. I've jumped ship from Yorktown and the Philippines, and I am now that chilly old man poring over your poorly written logbooks.  ;)

but Michael - what will happen to all that freedom that you have to bring to every 10 sq cm of the Philippines at gun point  ;D
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Post by: Michael on 17 July 2016, 23:06:11
See my message, Helen. I've jumped ship from Yorktown and the Philippines, and I am now that chilly old man poring over your poorly written logbooks.  ;)

but Michael - what will happen to all that freedom that you have to bring to every 10 sq cm of the Philippines at gun point  ;D

Hmmmm. Good point, I hadn't thought about that...   ;D So many things to do, so little time. Mind you, thanks to the miracles of OW, I am now in Alaska in 1890, and the Spanish American War doesn't start for another eight years, so I have lots of time before I have to worry about bringing freedom and democracy to the Philippines...   :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 18 July 2016, 02:59:45
Mind you, thanks to the miracles of OW, I am now in Alaska in 1890, and the Spanish American War doesn't start for another eight years, so I have lots of time before I have to worry about bringing freedom and democracy to the Philippines...   :)

But when the Patterson's logs end, you will be in 1905 - seven years after the war ended!
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Post by: AvastMH on 18 July 2016, 10:44:10
Wow that means that Michael will arrive before he left or something like that. Did I sign up to transcribe logbooks, or for time travel...hmmmm..

(http://i.imgur.com/rOHeMec.png)
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Post by: Randi on 18 July 2016, 12:32:28
Yes! ;D
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Post by: AvastMH on 18 July 2016, 17:17:24
Yes! ;D

 ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Michael on 21 July 2016, 16:20:29
Why the Event Pages are sometimes worth reading...

From San Francisco, 09 Dec 1890 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2045/IMG_9399_1.jpg)

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By order of Com'd'g officer J. Anderson (Sea) was pleased in double irons for three days for insolence to petty officer
    ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 21 July 2016, 16:36:17
Trust Patterson to be different!   :D :D :D
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Post by: Randi on 21 July 2016, 16:43:51
 ::)
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Post by: AvastMH on 22 July 2016, 07:09:11
 ;D ;D ;D What a cracker.
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Post by: Michael on 27 July 2016, 20:32:35
The officers and crew on Patterson seem to have difficulty handling their emotions. One man was pleased in double irons, and now this from 12 Oct 1890 at San Francisco (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2046/IMG_9512_1.jpg)...

HMS. Nymphe came in and anchored at 745 Official visit was mad and returned

Did they not serve drinks? Was the tea insipid and cold? Or was it just a case of a crazy time on the visit and not being angry at all?  ;D
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Post by: jil on 28 July 2016, 06:06:02
 ;D
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Post by: Randi on 28 July 2016, 06:52:02
 ;D ;D
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Post by: Hanibal94 on 28 July 2016, 08:37:56
Maybe this guy was the visitor?

(http://www.alice-in-wonderland.net/wp-content/uploads/mad-hatter-4.jpg)
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Post by: Randi on 28 July 2016, 09:05:01
 ;D
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Post by: AvastMH on 28 July 2016, 09:05:20
 ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: AvastMH on 01 August 2016, 11:25:54
How is it possible? Somehow the logbook printers were in collusion - the afternoon times are misprinted. I mean that it just sooooo spooky. :o

Back in a minute to confirm the pages affected - they'll be in this discussion somewhere too no doubt.  :)
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Post by: Craig on 01 August 2016, 12:29:39
Yeah, it goes on for many years until the faulty log books are all used up along with our brains.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 01 August 2016, 12:40:55
It affects logs from July 5th 1889 to June 30th 1894. But as the logs are out of order, you will first do some with the error, then some without it, then the rest of the ones with it.
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Post by: Randi on 01 August 2016, 13:30:56
I think this is what you are referring to?

Hanibal94 has it noted in the first post ;)
Printing errors in the logbooks: Description (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg105920#msg105920) and solution. (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg105967#msg105967) Affects logs from July 5th 1889 to June 30th 1894.
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Post by: AvastMH on 01 August 2016, 15:45:26
Ah - you all got there before me (the phone's been going and going and going).  Ah - year's worth eh? hehehe - so 'Patterson'!  ;D

JUST to clarify then...you note the hours as going in strict numerical order rather than the printed order? And that way, as hanibal says, the temperatures match the usual flow across the day?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 01 August 2016, 16:35:09
Ah - you all got there before me (the phone's been going and going and going).  Ah - year's worth eh? hehehe - so 'Patterson'!  ;D

JUST to clarify then...you note the hours as going in strict numerical order rather than the printed order? And that way, as hanibal says, the temperatures match the usual flow across the day?

You got it. They ignored the printed values, and so do we.  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 01 August 2016, 16:36:04
Cool - it's sort of poetic justice with the Patterson :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 01 August 2016, 16:55:38
Yes, and I even mentioned it in my limerick (7 before 6)  ;D

Subtle hint: if you use Michael's box draw routine it takes care of the hours so you can't go wrong. But don't let me pressure you.  ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 01 August 2016, 17:56:54
Forgot about that - must get into using it...no such fun quick stuff on Whaling ;)

Just got this cryptic comment:
Enlisted for the cruise of special service Ah Hu (Lds)
https://classic.oldweather.org/transcribe/50874f4d09d4090755026717

Intruiging  :o
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 01 August 2016, 18:29:24
That link doesn't work for me.
I think you mean http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2047/IMG_9567_1.jpg ?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 01 August 2016, 19:15:10
Forgot about that - must get into using it...no such fun quick stuff on Whaling ;)

Just got this cryptic comment:
Enlisted for the cruise of special service Ah Hu (Lds)
https://classic.oldweather.org/transcribe/50874f4d09d4090755026717

Intruiging  :o

You'll see that statement Enlisted for the cruise of special service quite often. I understand it to mean that he's signed up for the next cruise. I read his name of Ah Hee, but ... ?

There have been several people with Chinese sounding names enlisting for the cruise of special service. One of them was rate Sea, but all the others were rated Lds.

Michael

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Post by: AvastMH on 02 August 2016, 05:41:34
Oh - is that all? I was expecting a James Bond type trip of great derring-do. Oh well...  ::) ;) :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 12 August 2016, 00:01:20
Patterson, San Francisco, April 5, 1891 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2047/IMG_9634_1.jpg)

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The observation of Thermometer ?Air? & W.B. after Jany 10th 1891 are not to be relied upon on account of the inaccuracy of the instruments used.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 12 August 2016, 07:15:29
I wonder what happened on that fateful day in Jany 1891 ::)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 12 August 2016, 07:48:46
I have no idea - the Events pages for Jan 10th and 11th 1891 don't say anything. Biggest thing is the receiving of 6 dozen buttons.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2047/IMG_9544_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2047/IMG_9545_1.jpg
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Post by: Helen J on 12 August 2016, 10:00:21
Patterson, San Francisco, April 5, 1891 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2047/IMG_9634_1.jpg)

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The observation of Thermometer ?Air? & W.B. after Jany 10th 1891 are not to be relied upon on account of the inaccuracy of the instruments used.

It's classic Patterson that they've only just noticed .... ???
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Post by: Randi on 12 August 2016, 10:58:00
 ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 20 August 2016, 19:12:32
Mare Island Navy Yard (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2051/IMG_9550_1.jpg)
27 Nov 1891

And then there are days like this:

Quote
Broke out sail room - found it infested with rats that had eaten holes in some of the sails.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 21 August 2016, 08:43:32
Mare Island Navy Yard (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2051/IMG_9550_1.jpg)
27 Nov 1891

And then there are days like this:

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Broke out sail room ? found it infested with rats that had eaten holes in some of the sails.

UURGH!  I think I know what some of the men are going to be doing over the winter in Mare Island ....  Pass the needle.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 21 August 2016, 10:14:06
Hmmm - sorry Caro but this has to be said, sack the ship's cat!  :o ;) ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 21 August 2016, 10:34:33
It may be the lack of a cat which has got them into this state in the first place! 
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 21 August 2016, 10:48:55
Fair point! I suspect that they well decide to remedy that situation - it's easier to pet a cat that darn a canvas sail :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 21 August 2016, 11:02:35
They may be able to lure an experienced cat from another ship with an offer of better terms and conditions ....  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 21 August 2016, 11:16:37
They may be able to lure an experienced cat from another ship with an offer of better terms and conditions ....  ;D

I have a couple that I'd be willing to donate to the cause!   :o   ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 21 August 2016, 11:35:18
They may be able to lure an experienced cat from another ship with an offer of better terms and conditions ....  ;D

For example a nice comfy bed made of shredded sail fabric  ;D

They may be able to lure an experienced cat from another ship with an offer of better terms and conditions ....  ;D

I have a couple that I'd be willing to donate to the cause!   :o   ;D
CVs and references before interview please  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 22 August 2016, 18:49:44
Boys will be boys

San Francisco 02 April 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2052/IMG_9593_1.jpg)

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An Agent of Police came on board in Search of A. Soderstrom (sea), whom he desired to place under arrest for assaulting J. Lambert (Sea), but A. Soderstrom had gone ashore on liberty - Word came of later that A. Soderstrom had been arrested.

This just in: 04 April 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2052/IMG_9595_1.jpg)   ;)

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Descharged from this ship and the Naval service A Soderstrom (sea.) his services being no longer required. Enlisted for the cruise from this date Ah Wee (sea)

The saga continues: 07 April 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2052/IMG_9598_1.jpg)  :o

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J. Lambert. (Sea) was discharged from City Hospital and returned on board.

End of the saga: 09 April 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2052/IMG_9600_1.jpg)

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Discharged J. Lambert for reason of his services being no longer required
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 23 August 2016, 15:30:01
Naughty naughty!!  At least they were in San Francisco rather than some far flung part of the world - though perhaps a life on the open wave wasn't really for them?  ;) ::)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 01 September 2016, 23:00:48
San Francisco, 15 December 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2054/IMG_9870_1.jpg)

Best name ever!

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Ah-Dont (Lds) was discharged from this ship and from the Naval service by reason of service no longer required.

I guess no meant NO.  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 02 September 2016, 07:15:49
 ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 02 September 2016, 08:24:26
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 05 September 2016, 21:30:20
16 April 1897 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2075/IMG_2001_1.jpg).

I think it interesting that the US Coast Guard is establishing a tidal station and building a house in Canadian waters.

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Stopped at Maud I. and landed the Hydrographic Inspector, the Captain and Lieut Hoggatt to establish tidal station. At 10:30 proceeded through Seymour Narrows and anchored in Plumper Bay.

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At 3:00 spread fires and at 3:45 got underway and stood toward Seymour Narrows with cutter and whale boat in tow loaded with lumber for house for tide observers. At 4:00 let go boats off cove to north of Maud Is.

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In Seymour Narrows finishing landing lumber for house for tide observers and awaiting return of boats. Returned to Plumper Bay and at 5:25 anchored in 11 fathoms water, soft bottom, veering to 25 fathoms on port chain. Banked fires.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 06 September 2016, 06:11:56
I guess the two coastal services probably shared work between them? All friends in the scheme of things?  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 06 September 2016, 15:51:27
And Patterson has reached 90% complete - it's been a long time coming, but it's extra tots of rum all round for all Patterson transcribers past and present.   :D :D :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 06 September 2016, 18:25:15
Cheeeeersh - thash kind of you - hic!

(http://i.imgur.com/hcXg4ak.gif?1)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 06 September 2016, 18:26:52
extra tots of rum all round for all Patterson transcribers past and present.   :D :D :D

After you have done your day's work ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 06 September 2016, 18:44:02
extra tots of rum all round for all Patterson transcribers past and present.   :D :D :D

After you have done your day's work ;)

Can I stop now, huh? Huh? Please!!!   ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 07 September 2016, 13:13:27
Belt and braces at Sitka -

Found the wharf in a shaky condition and ran lines to the shore.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2075/IMG_2022_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 07 September 2016, 15:07:19
 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 07 September 2016, 17:52:03
And Patterson has reached 90% complete - it's been a long time coming, but it's extra tots of rum all round for all Patterson transcribers past and present.   :D :D :D

Great news - I look forward to seeing you guys finish her off!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 07 September 2016, 18:30:10
And Patterson has reached 90% complete - it's been a long time coming, but it's extra tots of rum all round for all Patterson transcribers past and present.   :D :D :D

Great news - I look forward to seeing you guys finish her off!

We have about 50,000 WRs to go. It's probably two or three months away, but we'll persevere.  ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 09 September 2016, 00:59:00
July 8, 1897 Off Cape Edgecumbe, Alaska.

Some days are just like that  ;)

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At 8..21 commenced running lines of sounding off Cape Edgecumbe. At 9..40 ran out 400 fathoms on Thomson machine and found no bottom, when reeled in found ?depth recorder? crushed by pressure. Rigged boat machine and at 10.20 began running lines of sounding with it. In getting one sounding splice of wire clipped and lost 400 fathoms wire.

As a matter of interest, I looked at a couple of US Nautical Charts and the depth of water off Cape Edgecumbe  gets as deep as 73 fathoms (which is 438 feet) but nowhere near 400 fathoms until you get about five miles off the point and the depths drop rapidly from 100 fathoms to 400 and then over 1,000 fathoms.  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 14 September 2016, 22:12:01
Helen J blows past the 50,000 mark!

Well done, Helen!!!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 15 September 2016, 05:47:12
Congratulations!

Have you been using Michael's box drawing script, Helen? I think your transcribing rate has gone up.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 15 September 2016, 07:07:59
Good work, Helen!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 15 September 2016, 15:11:43
Great stuff, Helen!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 15 September 2016, 19:12:16
(http://i.imgur.com/cbvEEkc.png)

Many congratulations Helen! That's an amazing number!


:D :D :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 16 September 2016, 16:34:05
Sitka, Alaska. 03 October 1897 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2079/IMG_2397_1.jpg).

Yea Concord!!!

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At 12:20 H. L. Ford (yeo) and C. Eklund (sea) returned aboard bringing information from Lieut. Hoggatt that the Cosmos had fouled a rock and sunk in Bear Bay about 11 P.M. of the 1st Oct. A diving outfit and the services of three divers were secured from the U.S.S. Concord, and 25 barrels from shore were gotten on board to be used in raising the Cosmos. Received also two lengths of suction hose from the Concord. Borrowed from Governor Brady a lighter with portable derrick and secured it along side. At 1:45 sent the Reynard with Dr. Sone and outfit of medicines and stores to Bear Bay. At 2:35 the Steamer Dora came in. Hoisted Vixen and made preparations for leaving early tomorrow morning. At 3:30 P.M. the Str. Wigwam left the harbor to render such assistance to the Cosmos and crew as possible.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 16 September 2016, 16:51:20
Sitka, Alaska. 04 Oct 1897 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2079/IMG_2398_1.jpg).

If it isn't one thing, it's another.  ;)

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Spread fires at 5:00 and turned engines at 5:50. At 6:30 got under way and stood out of the harbor bound for Bear Bay. When getting about a mile from Sitka the lighter was unable to stand the strain of towing and gave away. Towed it back to Sitka and landed it on the beach in the place from which it was obtained yesterday. Then after turning ship in Jamestown Bay stood down to pick up boats. At end of watch abreast wharf at Japonski Island awaiting boats? return.

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Went ahead at 8:50 proceeded to Bear Bay. the pilot conning. Anchored in Bear Bay at 11:03 14 fms. water 18 fms. chain, starboard anchor. Ran quarter line to the beach near Cosmos.

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Hove up the stbd anchor and then moored ship so as to haul the stern over the bow of the Cosmos. At 1:10 the diver went down to examine the Cosmos and reported her resting easily on her stbd side; he then went down and made fast the lines for raising the Cosmos. The diver stopped work at 3.45
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 16 September 2016, 17:03:19
Bear Bay, Alaska. 05 Oct 1897.

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At 7:40 the diver began work and stopped at 11:30.

Try, try, try again...

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At 1.25 the Str. Wigwam came along side to assist in pumping out the Cosmos. At 2:10 began heaving up on lifting lines which at 2:30 slipped from underneath, over her bows and allowed the boat to settle down again. Sent diver down and rove off new lashings and backing lines. At 5:40 made another attempt to raise Cosmos but owing to tide being too high, lowered her again and allowed her to rest as before. Hauled out ship clear of lines and secured everything for the night preparatory to making another attempt tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 16 September 2016, 17:05:46
Bear Bay, Alaska. 06 Oct 1897 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2079/IMG_2400_1.jpg).

Do or do not, there is no try...   Yoda

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At 5:35 began lifting the Cosmos; got her above water and with the assistance of the pumps of the Steamer Wigwam cleared and floated her. Stopped pumping at 7:45. At 8:00 the Wigwam left towing the schooner North Star. During remainder of watch crew engaged in overhauling, cleaning and drying out the Cosmos. Hove up port anchor and cast off starboard quarter line. Secured the Cosmos alongside preparatory to towing her to Sitka.

The trip back to Sitka was uneventful.  :)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 16 September 2016, 17:59:53
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 16 September 2016, 22:37:43
Port Chester (Metlakatla) Alaska, 12 Oct 1897 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2079/IMG_2406_1.jpg).


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The Captain went ashore to investigate reports concerning the locality of the wreck of the Mexico.

The S.S. Mexico ran onto West Devil Rock (http://www.geonames.org/6327304/west-rock.html) on August 5, 1897 at 6:30 A.M. The report, which is quite interesting, is here (https://research.archives.gov/id/298282).
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 17 September 2016, 08:03:27
Oh dear - that makes an uncomfortable report   :-[ :o :-[
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 18 September 2016, 12:10:20
Naval Shipyard Puget Sound to Seattle Washington. 22 Oct 1897 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2079/IMG_2416_1.jpg)

Sometimes there are these little mysteries...

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At 1:00 stopped and sent boats ashore to gather food for the two deer, starting ahead again at 2:00. At 3:35 moored to buoy in Seattle harbor. Banked fires.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 18 September 2016, 12:41:30
New mascots?  ???
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 18 September 2016, 12:48:03
Port Angeles  24 Oct 1897 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2079/IMG_2418_1.jpg)

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At 1:10 discovered the schooner Ellanina Johnson to be on fire. Sent a party which extinguished the fire. The fire-party returned at 2:15
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 18 September 2016, 13:01:40
Heavens, life on board Patterson is getting positively interesting!  I'll be fascinated to hear whether there's any more mention of the deer - my thoughts are whether they're food on the hoof, or being taken back for a zoo or scientists.  But we may never know ....
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 18 September 2016, 13:33:39
New mascots?  ???
Well that would be a first in my book. Strange number though. Deer are sociable within  their own kind so I guess one would be hopeless, it's not the start of breeding stock though is it - just 2. We may never know  :-\
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 09 October 2016, 13:30:46
Here's something I haven't come across before:

Received from C.J. Hendry 50 lbs soap, salt water, and 50 lbs soap, fresh water.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2080/IMG_2559_1.jpg

I suppose it does make sense that soap might work differently in different kinds of water ....
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 09 October 2016, 14:07:20
I saw a similar entry in the Jamestown logs recently. I'd never thought much about it, but the salt apparently keeps 'regular' soap from doing its job effectively. (Wiki article) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saltwater_soap)

I suppose it does make sense that soap might work differently in different kinds of water ....
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 09 October 2016, 15:02:30
While sitting quietly in harbour at San Francisco bothering no-one, Patterson had an unfortunate encounter with a bark (her spelling) ....

At 4.25 the bark Martha Davis fouled the head booms, carried away the jib boom and lower port boom. She veered chain and cleared without further damage. About twenty minutes later she fouled this vessel's bow again: got along the port side and secured. Made signals for tugs at request of Captain of the Martha Davis; and two responded and hauled her off after considerable damage to fore mast and rigging.  See note below by executive officer.  The Davis fouled this vessel by dragging across our bow.

This is the note by the executive officer:
Damage done to this vessel by the fouling of the bark Martha Davis: Carried away Jibboom, fore topmast, port lower boom and Dolphin striker, port fore chain, port light box, scroll and cut water. Slightly injured upper topsaid yard. Several planks on port side damaged. Following gear carried away. Flying jib guy, topsail down hauler, fore brace port fore lift, Bobstays. Destroyed two cork and wooden fenders. Carried away crutch for lower boom, ash chute, stem split upper part.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2080/IMG_2567_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 09 October 2016, 16:51:01
More of a mess than Patterson's logs! I bet someone got it in the ear for that calamity. That's more than a few hours of repair work.  :o
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 10 October 2016, 06:44:46
Yes, I think the Captain of the Martha Davis was probably lying low for a while ....
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 10 October 2016, 13:05:01
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 24 October 2016, 21:37:28
Oakland Creek, California. 22 Aug 1898 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2084/IMG_2960_1.jpg).

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At 2:30 P.M. the ?Blairmore? in tow of tug ?Sea Queen? collided with the stern of the ?McArthur? bending two eyebolts and slightly bruising the moulding in their vicinity.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 24 October 2016, 22:18:59
Oakland Creek 25 August 1898 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2084/IMG_2963_1.jpg)

Look at us, turning the other cheek, and doing unto others etc etc.  ;D

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At 4:00 P.M. steam launch from the U.S.S. ?Bennington? came alongside gangway and stove skiff in beyond repair. Gave launch about 60 lbs. of coal. Told coxswain to report accident to his commanding officer. Reported affair to Comdg. Officer of this vessel.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 24 October 2016, 22:30:20
Maybe they gave them damp coal.  ;)

Look at us, turning the other cheek, and doing unto others etc etc.  ;D

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At 4:00 P.M. steam launch from the U.S.S. ?Bennington? came alongside gangway and stove skiff in beyond repair. Gave launch about 60 lbs. of coal. Told coxswain to report accident to his commanding officer. Reported affair to Comdg. Officer of this vessel.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 25 October 2016, 08:18:38
Congratulations to us on making it to 92%!  I know we don't normally celebrate every percentage point, but on Patterson every little counts.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 25 October 2016, 11:25:52
That's 5 percentage points since I left you in mid July. Great work!  8)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 25 October 2016, 14:16:50
That is great news, and you all deserve 10/10 for perserverance  ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 25 October 2016, 15:13:51
I know we don't normally celebrate every percentage point, but on Patterson every little counts.

Yes, it does! Keep it up!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 26 October 2016, 13:49:09
A little bit of drama on 6th May 1900, while in Seattle:

Gustave Sacleus Sea, at 10:20 while in double irons and chained to a ring-bolt in the after part of the starboard alley-way, wrenched the ring-bolt free from its fastening and went forward.  Later, he is reported to have thrown a sixty-pound shot overboard.

Gustave Sacleus At 3:00 secured him to the starboard anchor chain forward part of the windlass.

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 26 October 2016, 13:54:37
A little bit of drama on 6th May 1900, while in Seattle:

Gustave Sacleux Sea, at 10:20 while in double irons and chained to a ring-bolt in the after part of the starboard alley-way, wrenched the ring-bolt free from its fastening and went forward.  Later, he is reported to have thrown a sixty-pound shot overboard.

Gustave Sacleux At 3:00 secured him to the starboard anchor chain forward part of the windlass.

And the next day:

Gustave Sacleux Seaman, at 11:00 was transferred to C.S. Str Pathfinder to await the action of the Dept of U.S. C & G Survey.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2087/IMG_3249_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 26 October 2016, 14:41:05
That sounds like one angry man  :(  I hope they found some help for him.  :-\
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 26 October 2016, 14:52:24
That sounds like one angry man  :(  I hope they found some help for him.  :-\

I hope I haven't influenced the crew because of all my time on USS Concord!  :-[
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 26 October 2016, 15:12:51
That sounds like one angry man  :(  I hope they found some help for him.  :-\

I hope I haven't influenced the crew because of all my time on USS Concord!  :-[

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 27 October 2016, 15:42:49
At sea, 11 Oct 1899 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2088/IMG_3322_1.jpg)

What an exciting life we lead.  A few days back we put a seaman put in double irons for being drunk and disorderly. No biggee for the Concord, but Patterson!?! And now stowaways:

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Called all hands to muster and found the following stowaways aboard, Jas. Kirk, Harry Tucker, Herman Thirl and Wm Warren, claiming to be shipwrecked from ?Laurada?, also took on board Thos. Short, Chr. Eng?r, F. O. Maem, 1st Asst., W.T. Dodge, 2nd Asst., and G. Morgan, 3d Asst., All from ?Laurada?.

At least we put them to good use!  ;D

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Released A. Eckman (Sea) from double irons, by order of Comd?g Officer, having served 1 ? days. Assigned Jas. Kirk & Harry Tucker, stowaways, to duty in Fire room, & Herman Thirl and Wm Warren to duty on deck.

I could find a reference to a book that referred to the SS Laurada, but not the reference itself.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 27 October 2016, 16:52:02
You've had a remarkable affect on the crew Michael..perhaps we should cut out all of the middle men of yesteryear and put you in double irons?  ;) ;) ;D

I managed to find this detail about your stowaways- and it mentions the Corwin!:

http://www.boem.gov/uploadedFiles/BOEM/About_BOEM/BOEM_Regions/Alaska_Region/Ships/2011_Shipwreck.pdf

   Vessel : Laurada   
   Type, Length/Tons : Steamer   
   Date : 9/28/1899
   Location : Zapadni Point, St.George Island, Pribilof Islands.
   Event Narrative : Vessel sprang a leak, ran ashore, and was stranded. Revenue cutter Corwin rescued passengers and crew.      
   Sources : CR, Andrews, MCC, Stirling, Huber, Rogan Faitharticle, NAWRL

And it looks like there was a lot of it about. In amongst the clear annoyance of British Columbia being very sniffy about those Republican skally-waggs further south, it turns out that Laurada had the recipient's experience of stowaways:

(http://i.imgur.com/a1RHeaj.png)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 27 October 2016, 23:09:26
Good for you, Joan, persisting on the search fro Laurada!  Thank you.

Bye the way, the Canadian authorities didn't want to get swamped by American gold seekers in the Yukon, which is why they imposed so many restrictions. They were afraid, and rightly so, that the number of Americans would become so great that the Yukon Territory would become a US territory.  ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 28 October 2016, 13:08:35
Patterson does seem especially prone to being run into by other ships - it's happened again.  2nd November 1899 in Seattle.

"At 7.55 during thick fog Ferry Boat City of Seattle ran into us on our port quarter, cutting through six timbers and carrying away mizzen chain plates, wrecking four rooms in Ward Room.  No leaks."

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2088/IMG_3344_1.jpg

And the next day:

"At 10.00 U.S. Local Inspector with Manager of Ferry Company came on board and held survey on damage sustained from ferry boat yesterday."

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2088/IMG_3345_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 28 October 2016, 15:47:50
Good for you, Joan, persisting on the search fro Laurada!  Thank you.

Bye the way, the Canadian authorities didn't want to get swamped by American gold seekers in the Yukon, which is why they imposed so many restrictions. They were afraid, and rightly so, that the number of Americans would become so great that the Yukon Territory would become a US territory.  ;)

Ah! That makes sense given the content of that article. I guess they probably imposed some form of trade ban on exporting gold   ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 28 October 2016, 15:49:33
Patterson does seem especially prone to being run into by other ships - it's happened again.  2nd November 1899 in Seattle.

"At 7.55 during thick fog Ferry Boat City of Seattle ran into us on our port quarter, cutting through six timbers and carrying away mizzen chain plates, wrecking four rooms in Ward Room.  No leaks."

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2088/IMG_3344_1.jpg

And the next day:

"At 10.00 U.S. Local Inspector with Manager of Ferry Company came on board and held survey on damage sustained from ferry boat yesterday."

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2088/IMG_3345_1.jpg

 :o  I wonder if she had a bit of a reputation with the sailors?  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 28 October 2016, 16:03:46
Someone needed to tell them not to park in the middle of the channel.  ;)

Patterson does seem especially prone to being run into by other ships - it's happened again.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 28 October 2016, 16:04:39
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 31 October 2016, 22:10:30
Sitka, Alaska 29 August 1893 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2096/IMG_0154_1.jpg)

Just saying, "No!" to free enterprise!

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Delivered to civil authorities on warrant by Dist. Commissioner, Jacob Erickson (Seaman) on charge of giving and selling liquor to Indians.

Two days later Mr. Erickson was discharged from the Patterson and the Naval Service, along with two others, as their services were no longer required.  ;)

Is that the Politically Correct phrase for, "You're fired!"?  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 01 November 2016, 07:35:47
No longer required
Or no longer desired
The result is the same
You're fired.

 ;) ;D

Two days later Mr. Erickson was discharged from the Patterson and the Naval Service, along with two others, as their services were no longer required.  ;)

Is that the Politically Correct phrase for, "You're fired!"?  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 01 November 2016, 08:37:15
The Donald couldn't have put it better  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 01 November 2016, 08:49:05
I'll probably be hearing from his lawyers.  :-X

The Donald couldn't have put it better  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 08 November 2016, 19:14:42
Not quite PWYS - Post What You See  ;)

This just in, Patterson, Mare Island, 22 Dec 1893 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2097/IMG_0277_1.jpg).

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    Discharged from Naval Service Ah F~~~ (W.R. Stewd) and Ah Moon (Cabin Cook) their service being no longer required.

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 09 November 2016, 12:49:22
If that was from today, I would think "That HAS to be a racist joke!"
But it's not, so I guess it's real. :o :o ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 09 November 2016, 15:01:12
That surname is an anglisization of the surname 'Fuk' which simply means 'Luck', and which he and Mr Moon had clearly run out of  ;)
Ah - that's a shame  ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 12 November 2016, 21:46:00
A jolly convention.

Patterson, Bear, Corwin, Grant and Albatross all in Port Townsend on 25 April 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2099/IMG_0427_1.jpg)!

What are the odds?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 12 November 2016, 23:28:32
Wow, the gang was all there!  8)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 13 November 2016, 07:28:18
String out the bunting and have a party!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 14 November 2016, 20:15:20
San Francisco 15 September 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20100/IMG_0580_1.jpg)

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A terriffic stench from the Petrero caused much annoyance and discomfit.
   ::)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 14 November 2016, 20:56:10
They went to heavy on the baked beans.  :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 14 November 2016, 21:46:29
Maybe Potrero (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potrero_Point)?

I bet those mills could be odoriferous.  ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 14 November 2016, 21:55:25
Maybe Potrero (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potrero_Point)?

I bet those mills could be odoriferous.  ;)

Could have been and it does make sense. They were at the Union Iron Works which is at Potrero Point. However, I did have to go with their spelling.  ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 15 November 2016, 15:25:42
Patterson, Bear, Corwin, Grant and Albatross all in Port Townsend on 25 April 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2099/IMG_0427_1.jpg)!

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_120_1.jpg

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol075/vol075_010_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 15 November 2016, 15:57:17
I hope they had a jolly good party  :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 18 November 2016, 08:52:30
Patterson is steaming ahead - now at 95%.  Having lollia paolina as part of the crew has increased our rate of progress no end!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 28 November 2016, 20:38:47
I'm not sure if it's a case of people not learning from their mistakes, or it's a case of giving someone the benefit of the doubt:

Seattle, 15 April 1901

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J. J. McAvoy (Sea) was discharged from this vessel, being undesirable.


He was also discharged in July/Aug 1896 after being late on several liberties and returning drunk on one occasion.  :o
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 29 November 2016, 14:24:39
Helen J has passed the 60,000 mark!!!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 29 November 2016, 15:13:57
(http://previews.123rf.com/images/milo827/milo8271210/milo827121000022/15700928-Isolated-angel-character-with-halo-and-wings-Stock-Vector-angel-cartoon.jpg)
 ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 29 November 2016, 15:37:58
I second Randi's comment  ;D Well done, Helen!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 29 November 2016, 15:38:06
Woooohooo Helen - that's impressive - truly impressive !!!

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 30 November 2016, 09:14:41
Thank you all - it's a lot on one ship, but Patterson has a lot for one ship!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 30 November 2016, 20:29:19
Patterson, Seattle, November 5, 1900 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20115/IMG_3659_0.jpg)

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The following men were this day discharged from this vessel and the Naval Service in accordance Act of Congress June 7, 1900, viz:- Chas Anderson (Sea) ...  & Tsuda Walda (M. Att.) = 45 in all.

I looked briefly for a reference to the Act of Congress June 7, 1900 that would require them to all be discharged, but I gave up after a few minutes.

Naturally, many of them will be enlisted on the next day  :'( :'( :'(

It's really hard typing while lying sideways on one's desk with a magnifying glass in one hand and a cat rubbing his head on the other...  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 30 November 2016, 21:00:15
 ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 01 December 2016, 08:08:57
And Patterson has reached 100 pages of Questions and Comments - is this another record?   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 01 December 2016, 08:59:28
Concord has 101.  ;D

And Patterson has reached 100 pages of Questions and Comments - is this another record?   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 01 December 2016, 15:28:50
Hah! Now I know why this writing is so bad... (spelling, too)

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A. E. Brisman Chf. Writer, returned on board drunk & unfit for duty - & was quarintined for 15 days by order of Comd?g Officer

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 01 December 2016, 19:29:53
 :o
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 02 December 2016, 13:45:46
And has this resulted in any improvement to the writing and spelling?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 02 December 2016, 19:03:07
And has this resulted in any improvement to the writing and spelling?

That's hopeful helen  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 03 December 2016, 20:07:57
Seattle, 19 December 1901 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20117/IMG_3904_1.jpg)

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12:30 the Sound Steamer ?Lacumes? drifted broadside on across the bows of this vessel and the ?Gedney? bearing off ~~ the Patterson?s dolphin striker & the Gedney?s bowsprit.

We were tied up at a dock at the time, with USCGSS Gedney tied up alongside.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 December 2016, 20:16:53
Sounds like something for Shipopoly ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 03 December 2016, 20:40:21
Sounds like something for Shipopoly ;)

Well, Joan would have to make a new card, and then tell Hanibal, and submit proper paperwork to the rules committtee, and it would need to be debated with a proper motion, and a call to order, and there would need to be a quorum and...

BTW the system is down yet again...
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 December 2016, 21:35:17
 :P

 :P
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 04 December 2016, 08:03:55
Sounds like something for Shipopoly ;)

Well, Joan would have to make a new card, and then tell Hanibal, and submit proper paperwork to the rules committtee, and it would need to be debated with a proper motion, and a call to order, and there would need to be a quorum and...

BTW the system is down yet again...

I better get going then - with all that paper work to do we might just get a change through as OW closes down -i.e. years and years and years ( ;) )
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 06 December 2016, 13:22:04
Seattle, 30 October 1902 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20120/IMG_4099_1.jpg)

At 130 a large dredger in tow of one small tug drifted down upon the bow of this vessel. The bull-rope was cast off and the starboard standing boom rigged in, and ninety fathoms of chain veered. A line was passed over the stern to the ?Reynard? and she steamed full speed, thus causing the chain to veer more rapidly. The dredger finally lowered her swinging ? arm across the buoy which prevented any further drift. Shortly after a second tow-boat took hold of the dredger but at 1:55 both tugs proceeded down the Sound with their tow. The slack chain was then taken up. No damage resulted.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 06 December 2016, 13:48:16
9th November 1902, Seattle - a bit of drama.

Special launch left ship at 1 pm, Mr Giacomini in charge. When approaching shore two men were discovered in the water near coal bunkers. Launch immediately went to their rescue and succeeded in reaching them just in time. Both were exhausted and about to sink notwithstanding a crowd of nearly 100 spectators gave no assistance. Hired boat in which they were when capsized was towed to ship to await owners call for it.

Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 06 December 2016, 14:11:19
Well that's a shocker!! Three immense cheers for the Patterson - despite all we've said about them when the chips were down they were there to save lives.

Hurrah! For the Patterson Heroes!

 :D  :-* :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 06 December 2016, 15:05:33
(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_3266.gif) (http://www.desismileys.com/)



Shipopoly... ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 06 December 2016, 15:45:12
Seattle, 17 November 1902 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20120/IMG_4117_1.jpg)

Proof that all the crew aren't losers...

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The name of G. Osterberg, Sea., quarantined from Nov. 8 to 25, inclusive, was placed on the liberty list and quarantine raised on account of good conduct and aptitude. The foregoing action was approved by the Commanding Officer.

Carrots and sticks. Sticks and carrots...   ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 06 December 2016, 16:07:20
Maybe you are being a good influence, Michael ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 06 December 2016, 16:23:44
Maybe you are being a good influence, Michael ;)

It was my basic training, "Nothing succeeds like violence!"   ;D ;D ;D ;D  ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 06 December 2016, 19:32:29
Seattle, December 12, 1902 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20120/IMG_4142_1.jpg)

Who says we don't do our paperwork!

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Hung Chung, Officer?s Cook, was this day discharged, - (and paid in full to date), - from this vessel and from the U.S.C. & G. Survey Service, by reason of ?Quarrelsome nature?. The requirements of Form 226, Regulations, have been complied with.

This is the first time I've seen a reason for dismissal (other than "by own request"). Usually it's something like "services no longer required,"   ;) and then they enlist someone new for the position either later in the day or the following day.   ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 06 December 2016, 19:40:48
(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_3266.gif) (http://www.desismileys.com/)



Shipopoly... ;)

Good idea Randi! :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 06 December 2016, 19:49:35
Seattle, 14 December 1902 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20120/IMG_4144_1.jpg)

Making government smaller!

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Hans Arnold Schwalbach, Quartermaster, 2nd class, was this day discharged from this vessel and from the U.S. Coast and Geodetic Survey Service, by reason of ?Department?s Authority to Reduce Crew?; and paid in full to date.

Been there, had that done.  :(
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 06 December 2016, 20:04:57
Seattle, 14 December 1902 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20120/IMG_4144_1.jpg)

Making government smaller!

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Hans Arnold Schwalbach, Quartermaster, 2nd class, was this day discharged from this vessel and from the U.S. Coast and Geodetic Survey Service, by reason of ?Department?s Authority to Reduce Crew?; and paid in full to date.

Been there, had that done.  :(

Oh dear - sorry to hear it Michael!  :(  Then again I'm glad you weren't quarrelsome and replaced the next day  ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 06 December 2016, 20:33:03
Oh dear - sorry to hear it Michael!  :(  Then again I'm glad you weren't quarrelsome and replaced the next day  ;)

It was almost 20 years ago, I've mostly recovered.  ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 06 December 2016, 20:33:23
 ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 07 December 2016, 01:05:07
Port Orchard, 24 January 1903 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20121/IMG_4193_1.jpg)

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At 3:40, by order of the Commanding Officer, the National Ensign, and Service flag and pennant were hauled down, and this vessel placed out of commission; seven men to be left on board for the winter and one temporarily.

We just finished discharging another 18 men, following the Department's orders to reduce crew.

If you're really interested, you can read the page to see how much the various men were paid. They also got two bits fare to get back to Seattle.

For those who haven't spent a lot of time in Seattle (OW speaking) Port Orchard is the location for the Bremerton Navy Yard.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 07 December 2016, 01:41:30
MAde intersting reading. I wonder what happened to them all? Hopefully they didn't have to last too long on their meager earnings.  :-\
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 08 December 2016, 16:00:12
Controller Bay, Alaska. 11 September, 1903. (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20123/IMG_4364_1.jpg)

A case of, "Petty Officer talking, I can't hear you, nah nah nah nah."  ;D

Quote
?Reynard? with dinghy in tow left ship at 6:50 for Mr. Rhodes and party; Sea. Syvertsen, boat keeper in charge of No. 1 whaleboat, having misunderstood orders and gone to westerly end of Kanak Id. where party was unable to find him before dark. Party returned on board at
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 08 December 2016, 16:07:17
Oh dear - West - which way is that?  ::)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 09 December 2016, 23:08:58
An interesting way to find out where you think you are when it's very foggy and you've been steaming across the N. Pacific from Dutch Harbor to Seattle...

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Ship?s position verified by hourly sounding with Thomson Machine.

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Sounding with Thomson Machine every hour. Soundings verifying ship?s position on shoal off Barclay Sound, Vancouver Id. Weather overcast and foggy.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 10 December 2016, 01:03:50
Sail by braille?
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 10 December 2016, 03:39:12
An interesting way to find out where you think you are when it's very foggy and you've been steaming across the N. Pacific from Dutch Harbor to Seattle...

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Ship?s position verified by hourly sounding with Thomson Machine.

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Sounding with Thomson Machine every hour. Soundings verifying ship?s position on shoal off Barclay Sound, Vancouver Id. Weather overcast and foggy.
I think sounding in these weather conditions when starting to approach the coast was probably common once charts had details of the depth of water on them.  They probable also got details of the nature of the sea bed which could also have helped locate the position of the ship. 
William Thomson, the deviser of the sounding machine, later became known as Lord Kelvin.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 10 December 2016, 10:43:14
Yes: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3430.msg114555#msg114555 ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 10 December 2016, 21:45:59
Seattle, 08 January, 1904 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20125/IMG_4499_1.jpg)

Poor Mr. Long. He had to pay the reward to the police from his own pay!

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Lee Long, Officer?s Steward, who failed to report on board at the expiration of his liberty (Jan?y 7; 7 a.m.) with declared intentions to desert, and for whose return, on board, a reward of ten dollars had been offered, was brought on board by a police detective and the reward of $10.00 paid; the same to be deducted from the retained pay of Lee Long.

For the next two nights, my stopping point for supper  ;), Lee Long has been put in leg irons to prevent him from sneaking off the vessel during the night watches.  :o

My question is this: "Would you want someone, who doesn't want to work for you, has tried to escape, had to be brought back by the police, and who has to be locked up at night in leg irons, serve you your food???"   ;D ;D ;D

This just in, and on the 12th:
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The Wardroom Steward who was given permission by the Executive Officer to go ashore to make purchases for the Wardroom Mess, did not return to the ship.
   :o :o :o

It looks like this time his getaway was successful...

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Lee Long, Officer?s Steward, who has been absent from this vessel since Jan?y 12th. without leave is this day declared a deserter.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 11 December 2016, 14:37:09
A deserter and not a desserter then?  ;D

Honestly I agree - if you really wind someone up and expect to get good food from them you might be classed as an example of 'optimism gone mad'.  ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 11 December 2016, 14:46:04
An interesting short story on 16th February 1902:

Muster of the crew for the purpose of locating a purse, stolen from discharged seaman Thomas, containing $120. The berth deck was searched and the missing purse found in locker of Seaman Robert Grill; evidently placed there by some other one, as there was no evidence to show that Grill appropriated the purse.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20125/IMG_4539_1.jpg
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 11 December 2016, 14:56:38
A deserter and not a desserter then?  ;D


 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 13 December 2016, 17:02:46
I'm having an Ivory Snow Soap moment. Patterson is at 99 44/100 percent done.  :) :) :)

(As near as I can estimate.)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 13 December 2016, 17:32:19
An interesting short story on 16th February 1902:

Muster of the crew for the purpose of locating a purse, stolen from discharged seaman Thomas, containing $120. The berth deck was searched and the missing purse found in locker of Seaman Robert Grill; evidently placed there by some other one, as there was no evidence to show that Grill appropriated the purse.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20125/IMG_4539_1.jpg


Hmmmm - skulduggery at work eh?  :o
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 13 December 2016, 17:34:14
I'm having an Ivory Snow Soap moment. Patterson is at 99 44/100 percent done.  :) :) :)

(As near as I can estimate.)

I'm glad you're having a soap moment Michael - everyone should have one at least once a day  ;) and thanks for letting us know about Patterson - it's going to be amazing to see her finished  :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 13 December 2016, 18:25:59
Ivory soap is 99 and 44/100% pure what? (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/870/ivory-soap-is-99-and-44-100-pure-what)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 13 December 2016, 18:38:02
Ivory soap is 99 and 44/100% pure what? (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/870/ivory-soap-is-99-and-44-100-pure-what)

Pure soap. I have no idea what the other 56/100 are. Maybe non-soap.  ;D

Like the Patterson, it is so pure it floats!  ;D ;D ;D

I guess you weren't around in the 50's and 60's to hear and see all the Ivory Snow ads...
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 13 December 2016, 18:39:20
San Francisco, 30 May 1904 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20126/IMG_4653_1.jpg)

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At 8:00, A. Strom, Quartermaster, 2nd. class, failed to return aboard at expiration of his liberty; and it was learned through this morning?s papers that he had been stabbed by one of two men early Sunday morning, and taken to the Central Emergency Hospital. The circumstances of the cases were investigated by the Executive Officer and found correct.
   :o
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 13 December 2016, 18:44:32
Ivory soap is 99 and 44/100% pure what? (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/870/ivory-soap-is-99-and-44-100-pure-what)

Pure soap. I have no idea what the other 56/100 are. Maybe non-soap.  ;D

Like the Patterson, it is so pure it floats!  ;D ;D ;D

I guess you weren't around in the 50's and 60's to hear and see all the Ivory Snow ads...

Yes, I do remember the ads.
If you follow the link it will tell you: "uncombined alkali, 0.11%; carbonates, 0.28%; and mineral matter, 0.17%". ;)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 13 December 2016, 18:55:02
If you follow the link it will tell you: "uncombined alkali, 0.11%; carbonates, 0.28%; and mineral matter, 0.17%". ;)
   :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 14 December 2016, 14:10:46
Don't get too excited - but Patterson is now showing 100%.  It's rounding up of course, but we are getting close to THE END!   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 14 December 2016, 14:50:13
I challenge you guys to finish her off before the end of the year!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 15 December 2016, 15:46:02
Kiska Harbor, Alaska. 01 September, 1904 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20127/IMG_4756_1.jpg).

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A party from this vessel to assist in the search for Civil Engineer Chambers, U.S.N., who was lost while ascending Snow Mountain, constituted of Surgeon J. H. Egbert, in charge; Aid C. C. Craft; and Seamen H. Ellingsen, and G. H. Webb, left ship in ?Reynard?, - towing gig, - at 5:15, bound for ?Kelp Cove?. The party was equipped with tent, sleeping-bags, rubber and canvas blankets, cooking utensils, and two days provisions. Launch was under charge of Executive Office.

Quote
Word was rec?d from U.S.S. ?Petrel? that Civil Engineer Chambers had been found. Reynard party returned at 11:30.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 15 December 2016, 16:18:14
sleeping-bags, rubber and canvas blankets

I bet they weighed a fair bit  :o
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 19 December 2016, 23:14:48
En route from Honolulu to Seattle. 21 March 1905 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20129/IMG_4977_0.jpg)

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[1:30 P.M. ? This course was changed without my knowledge or direction ? (sgd.) J. F. Pratt, Com?d?g.]


Like, who wouldn't change course and go back to Honolulu!   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 20 December 2016, 15:08:23
I challenge you guys to finish her off before the end of the year!

Aye, aye, Captain!  Patterson is finally finished - tidings of great joy, and another one off the list before the end of 2016.  What a marathon!
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 20 December 2016, 15:12:58
Oh - I just tried it and was offered a page  :-\
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 20 December 2016, 15:24:54
That's interesting - what page were you offered?  When I try I just get 'we're sorry, something went wrong'.  I suppose it's possible that there are odd pages left which haven't yet had their third transcriber, though I'm surprised.
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 20 December 2016, 15:27:17
That's interesting - what page were you offered?  When I try I just get 'we're sorry, something went wrong'.  I suppose it's possible that there are odd pages left which haven't yet had their third transcriber, though I'm surprised.

Typical for the Patterson, huh? I got booted to Yorktown when I clicked 'Transcribe'.

 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 20 December 2016, 15:29:21
Aye, aye, Captain!  Patterson is finally finished - tidings of great joy, and another one off the list before the end of 2016.  What a marathon!

Amazing work!

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 20 December 2016, 15:31:18
I'll notify the PTB
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 20 December 2016, 15:44:21
Wow - you did it! You finished her off before the year was out, with time to spare!
Great job everybody - this ship was really long (only the Yorktown has more WR) and really difficult - so many oddities and mistakes!

Now we can all celebrate: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=25.msg136983#msg136983
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 20 December 2016, 16:12:11
Yay team!  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 20 December 2016, 17:33:54
Oh - I just tried it and was offered a page  :-\

Doh!! I got offered the Albatross -- thought it looked a bit strange (i.e. properly completed logs)

You are amazing, all of you, for finishing that set of logs..what an epic!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Patterson -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 20 December 2016, 19:19:37
Well done, everyone!