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Add your questions and comments to this topic.
If you need help transcribing see:
Patterson -- Reference: Transcription Example and Log Description (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3315.0)
Guides for US logs: drawing entry boxes, transcribing and editing (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3078.0)
Getting Your Sea Legs (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=4.0)
The Logs and FAQ (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=7.0)
Handwriting Help (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=8.0)
Technical Support (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=14.0)
If you are interested in the names of crew members see:
Patterson -- Crew Lists (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3394.0)
Example of what a weather page might look like when transcribing the last line of data:
Page link (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4915_0.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img23/7998/7sbt.jpg)
Example of what an events page might look like after the data has been transcribed:
Page link (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4915_1.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img545/3811/i900.jpg)
The date is required.
You may transcribe more information than is shown here.
List of common oddities and errors in the logs:
The
Patterson has an unusually high number of problems and issues in her
logs. These are listed here, along with links to how we should handle
them.
Logs from the 1910s:
- Extra weather entries: Transcribe as written. (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg59076#msg59076)
- Messed
up columns: Follow this pattern
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg64672#msg64672).
(Click here for confirmation from the PTB)
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg66244#msg66244)
- Water
temperatures way on the left: Look carefully for these.
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg98867#msg98867)
- Switch from F to C: TWYS and carry on. (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg73993#msg73993)
- Corrected entries: Transcribe the red values, ignore the black ones. (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4014.0)
- Incorrect
dates: Transcribe as written.
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg78193#msg78193)
(Another example: here
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg78421#msg78421))
- Very
messed up columns: Transcribe F temperature as Water, no matter where
it is on the page.
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg81345#msg81345)
Logs from the 19th century to 1905:
- "Same
bulb dry" instead of values: Type the appropriate number in the place.
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg100202#msg100202)
- Grey
values written over black ones: Transcribe black, ignore grey.
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg104710#msg104710)
- Double entries: Transcribe as written. (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg104844#msg104844)
- Printing
errors in the logbooks: Description
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg105920#msg105920)
and solution.
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg105967#msg105967)
Affects logs from July 5th 1889 to June 30th 1894.
- Multiple wind directions with brackets:
Description
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg106846#msg106846)
and solution.
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg106886#msg106886)
- Duplicate logs: Skip through the duplicates. (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg110129#msg110129)
- Extra temperatures in Celsius: Transcribe them as well. (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg114922#msg114922)
- Fragments
of log books inside other logbooks: See individual cases for details.
here
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg120080#msg120080),
here
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg120170#msg120170)
- Division
signs in logs: This is an unusual way to indicate negative
temperatures. Description, solution is just below.
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg120537#msg120537)
Affects some pages in November/December 1900.
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The early scans for patterson are not very helpful I'm sorry to
report. Clearly a case of a large and tightly bound book, but is there
anyway that the machinery can be adjusted to be helpful...I've just
encountered this:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4771_0.jpg
and it's no fun at all.
Thanks to the powers that be and the scanner folk, in anticipation.
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Joan, the early logs for this launch are both part of the learning
curve, and done on old machines that are no longer being used, so its a
case of working through the start. I think Patterson is the
worst one so far to surface.
Patterson is also already
reported in "Listing of Faulty Scanned Pages" on the Technical Support
board. The weekend is the wrong time to ask for resolution of the
problem. We'll work it through somehow next week, because I myself
don't know if it's borderline in archive quality or just plain not.
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Joan, I got started transcribing last night, and between all the
'OK' buttons working now and getting used following those curved-crooked
lines, I started having fun last night.
(http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/10001/type-smiley.gif)
Do you have another ship I can play in while you steal the captaincy back? ;)
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There is only one volume of this type for PATTERSON. After this it
switches to something that looks like the other Coast Survey logs that
are more loosely bound. The main issue is the lack of a Zeutschell (a
sort of hi-tech book press) at our A2 location at the time this was
shot. Let me know if it becomes impossible to work with.
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Joan,
I got started transcribing last night, and between all the 'OK' buttons
working now and getting used following those curved-crooked lines, I
started having fun last night.
(http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/10001/type-smiley.gif)
Do you have another ship I can play in while you steal the captaincy back? ;)
Glad
you enjoyed the Patterson Janet, but those curvy pages are a real
teaser aren't they ::)? You certainly steamed through a stack of
pages! Impressive! I did wonder whether we ought to get, if possible, an
early report from Philip and co. as to how accurate we are working.
What do you think? I've nearly crossed over a couple of lines as I
worked. So now I'm purposely slower with this one. It'll be easier
towards the middle of the book.
I noticed that the Yorktown and Yukon
are trailing, on pages done, compared to the rest. I'd hate
for that to put folks off - that's why I've not gone back to the
Rodgers. But you're very welcome to the Patterson helm if you're
enjoying it! ;D 8)
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There
is only one volume of this type for PATTERSON. After this it switches
to something that looks like the other Coast Survey logs that are more
loosely bound. The main issue is the lack of a Zeutschell (a sort of
hi-tech book press) at our A2 location at the time this was shot. Let me
know if it becomes impossible to work with.
Kevin,
it can be done as is. It is slow, and it may turn into a late
bloomer. If NARA will think they are inferior as archive quality
goes, wanting a redo, it would be kind to do that first and then ask for
transcriptions. If they meet archive quality, then just have
patience and know it will eventually be done. Every transcriber
slowly, the mind has to be rested, but it works because the handwriting
is quite legible.
Glad
you enjoyed the Patterson Janet, but those curvy pages are a real
teaser aren't they ::)? You certainly steamed through a stack of
pages! Impressive! I did wonder whether we ought to get, if possible, an
early report from Philip and co. as to how accurate we are working.
What do you think? I've nearly crossed over a couple of lines as I
worked. So now I'm purposely slower with this one. It'll be easier
towards the middle of the book.
I noticed that the Yorktown and Yukon
are trailing, on pages done, compared to the rest. I'd hate
for that to put folks off - that's why I've not gone back to the
Rodgers. But you're very welcome to the Patterson helm if you're
enjoying it! ;D 8)
Well,
I've already started to look at Yukon, and I'm going to stay with her
for a while because it will be easier to answer newbie questions if I've
experienced it. All the discussion today about overlapping boxes
and double barometers helped me decide. And while I enjoy being
captain, it has never been an overwhelming goal for me. If we play
leap-frog with Patterson, life will be fun and the ship will be
transcribed (2/3rds worth.) 8)
I have one pet peeve that needs solving if I'm going to transcribe instead of research landmarks - where is she??!! ???
Am I really seeing Mendocino and Humboldt in California, or are we somewhere very different?
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Yes, Yukon is off the coast of northern California.
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Thanks, that helps.
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If you see something like "Square 781" in red ink, see http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3404.0
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When I started, it was talking about Trinidad!
It took me awhile to figure out that we weren't in the Caribbean!
That is definitely one name that will misdirect no matter where you look, if you don't know approx. location ahead of asking. ;)
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Yes, thanks for putting it in SODA, Randi. I was wondering too. Then I came across Eureka and I was really confused.
See my note in the duplicates thread. There are lots of duplicates and triplicates in the Yukon/Mary Ann
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Yes, thanks for putting it in SODA, Randi. I was wondering too. Then I came across Eureka and I was really confused.
See my note in the duplicates thread. There are lots of duplicates and triplicates in the Yukon/Mary Ann
It
was the "Mendocino" that aimed me at California in the first place - I
have an aunt currently living in Chico, and knew she was nearer to
Mendocino than San Francisco.
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This is the report to congress on the building and commissioning of the Carlile P. Patterson in 1884.
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Blah!! ANOTHER duplicated page:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4782_0.jpg
August 8th 1884
LESSON
TO LEARN: now we can go back to pages check the next two pages as you
go along to avoid spending hours wasting your time. Sigh!
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Sorry about the duplicates. I expect we'll see their number drop off
from our A2 station now with more experience gained. Please remember
though that this series was shot by a student volunteer early on and not
by a professional as was the case with UK logs. We don't want to waste
your time either so if it isn't readily manageable let me know. :)
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You apparently haven't read some of our comments on some of the RN log scans ::)
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Sorry
about the duplicates. I expect we'll see their number drop off from our
A2 station now with more experience gained. Please remember though that
this series was shot by a student volunteer early on and not by a
professional as was the case with UK logs. We don't want to waste your
time either so if it isn't readily manageable let me know. :)
We
are managing. It is more a minor irritant, the kind of thing that
happens in the learning curve. And made some additional
transcriptions for the weather page - the comment page is what alerts
us, it triggers memories and Foxfire drop-downs. The RN
'professionals' never did figure out how to put single page inserts so
they wouldn't be cut in half - equally irritating, and it never went
away.
The only thing I'd want the scanners to go back for was the
multi-page insert that was never fully opened and scanned. My
curiosity bump is itching again. :)
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3383.msg54643#msg54643
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Sorry
about the duplicates. I expect we'll see their number drop off from our
A2 station now with more experience gained. Please remember though that
this series was shot by a student volunteer early on and not by a
professional as was the case with UK logs. We don't want to waste your
time either so if it isn't readily manageable let me know. :)
Oh
it's just annoying when you're trying to save the planet, Kevin. I have
so little time that I hate wasting it - it's sometimes just good to get
it off your chest rather than steam gently with it for too long...I
know it'll get better - I think you've already mentioned the situation
at your end and I'm sympathetic to that. Can't imagine what my first
entries were like! ::) ;D
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Kevin, complaining to sympathetic company about minor shared
irritations is necessary to the health of the soul. True for
anyone doing anything, I think. If we have major problems, you'll
get direct questions from us. 8)
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When the Patterson first arrived on the west coast in 1885. :)
Sacramento daily record-union. (Sacramento [Calif.]) 1875-1891, November 27, 1885, Image 2
Image provided by University of California, Riverside; Riverside, CA
Persistent link: http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn82014381/1885-11-27/ed-1/seq-2/
(http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn82014381/1885-11-27/ed-1/seq-2/image_681x432_from_2676,5046_to_4315,6086.jpg)
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Patterson's 1914 rescue of the crew of the grounded USRC Tahoma.
Keowee courier. (Pickens Court House, S.C.) 1849-current, September 30, 1914, Image 1
Image provided by University of South Carolina; Columbia, SC
Persistent link: http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn84026912/1914-09-30/ed-1/seq-1/
(http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn84026912/1914-09-30/ed-1/seq-1/image_681x432_from_375,5237_to_3516,7231.jpg)
Evening public ledger. (Philadelphia [Pa.]) 1914-1942, September 29, 1914, Sports Final, Page 5, Image 5
Image provided by Penn State University Libraries; University Park, PA
Persistent link: http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83045211/1914-09-29/ed-5/seq-5/
(http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83045211/1914-09-29/ed-5/seq-5/image_681x432_from_588,264_to_1960,1135.jpg)
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(5/6am - additional entries between lines...what do I do with these please?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4816_0.jpg
Sorry - I think these might have been discussed in the last few days...but I can't trace it.
Thanks,
Joan
(cc'd this from the Logs page))
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I have asked Philip ;)
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Topic: half hour reading - Patterson
the
log keeper inserted a 25th wind reading apparently in connection to a
course change at about 9:30am, with a wind change at 10am.
Apparently in connection to a course change, although I don't know if
the course change was planned or in response to the wind change.
I
entered it even though it was only a ditto mark with no other
information. Will this mess up the analysts so I should delete
it? Or should I keep it?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4785_0.jpg
Please put it in - it will complicate the analysis but I'm sure we'll cope.
Philip answered just before Christmas, the holidays blurred all our memories. :)
Your extra wind reading would be at 5:30am.
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Here's the attachment from Janet's example:
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Thanks again for this one! J 8)
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Very bizarrely the crew list of 1848/9 from a ship called the Ewing
are contained in the log for Patterson. Haven't transcribed the main
page behind this inserted multi-page list - no doubt the list's
appearance is explained there.
The list includes many deserters, but a chap called John Black mentioned on this page:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4826_1.jpg
is noted as HUNG FOR MUTINY. :o :o :o
Gives me the shivers....
Whoa!!! Next page of the list, Peter Black is also hung for mutiny.
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Janet reported this (but not the hanging!)
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3531.msg58891#msg58891
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Oh yes...my memory is so erm, what was I about to say? ;) ;D
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Mutiny on the EWING
http://www.history.noaa.gov/stories_tales/ewingmutiny.html
It takes a bit to get going, but it is quite a story.
John and Peter Black are mentioned.
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Janet reported this (but not the hanging!)
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3531.msg58891#msg58891
I never read it in detail, just the page headings!! Bad habit, I miss all the juicy stories being that hasty.
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Mutiny on the EWING
http://www.history.noaa.gov/stories_tales/ewingmutiny.html
It takes a bit to get going, but it is quite a story.
John and Peter Black are mentioned.
Brilliant
find. Ghastly ends though! Swinging from the yard arm literally, or
being let off with 100 lashes (HOW do you survive 100 lashes?)
followed by hard labor-cum-solitary confinement.
Jeepers. :o
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I just looked at one of these Ewing crew list pages. By the
handwriting I guess these are research notes from sometime much later -
was there any indication on the first page who the writer was or when?
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The 2 page typed copy is initialed and dated in the upper right corner, first page: PAS(?) 7/24/37
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4822_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4823_1.jpg
The 4 page handwritten original is signed and dated on the last page:
Above names taken from daily log of Schooner "Ewing" July 22, 1937. Paul A. Smith(?)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4824_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4825_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4826_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4827_1.jpg
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The following pages are the same as each other. I've posted this in faulty duplicated scans thread as well. 18th Sept 1884
Joan
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4830_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4831_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4830_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4831_1.jpg
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I just finished the first log book for the Patterson, which ends Feb 5 1885 or so.
The next log book that comes up for the ship is from Jan 1, 1911 - Mar 31, 1911.
Is that a normal jump or does it matter if the log books are not in order chronologically?
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It depends on the order they were scanned by NARA, not the order they were written. If you look at the Patterson reference page
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3315.0) written by our
shipherds, you will see we were sent sample of 2 very different types of
printed logs, one from 1884 and one from 1914. If you post us a link to your new log page (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1073.0), we can see which of the log formats this is.
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The format changed completely between the two. Easy to figure
out, but it just seemed odd that they'd put the books in an order that
skips 26 years or something between book 1 and 2.
As long as it
works for you people using this data, it doesn't much matter to me -
just thought I'd ask if this was an error on somebody's part before I
get in too deep.
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Nope - we asked for a wide range of logs. And got them. ;D
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Copy from crew list topic:
Beware, this is also one
of the books scanned for our beta testing, when grad students were
learning how to scan by trial and error. Watch for duplicate pages
- the additional pages may be skipped.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%202/IMG_4982_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%202/IMG_4983_0.jpg
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Scanning is too difficult a task for your average grad student these days? :o ???
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And yes, there are duplicated pages. The officer list was
duplicated. Jan 1 was duplicated. We'll see what else
happens...
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Yes... ;D
On January 8, 1910 (which is really 1911, but should be
transcribed as 1910 because that is what is in the log) the Air (Dry)
temperature is in the wrong column.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%202/IMG_4993_0.jpg
You
can see that the column headings have been corrected. The data should
be entered in the correct column
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3191.msg51628#msg51628).
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Also, what is with those dry temperature readings - they're showing readings of between 5 and 15 or so.
I
figure that can't be degrees Fahrenheit - Weather Underground shows the
record low for Jan 3 in Alameda CA as 3?C. So it must be some
other scale?
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Celsius?
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It'd be really weird if it was Celsius, because the "Ther attached"
reading for the barometer is clearly in Fahrenheit. Plus this is
1911 America - I'd be shocked if the Coast Guard was using Celsius.
The dry bulb readings also given in 0.5 increments - 15.5 or 17.0 or 6.0 or whatever.
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This is not the Coast Guard, it is the Coast and Geodetic Survey.
They are probably more scientifically oriented. You have a good point
about "Ther attached" being Fahrenheit, but since these don't seen to be Fahrenheit, Celsius seems a reasonable guess :-\
1oC is roughly 2oF, so using .5o might make sense.
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The Coast Guard had always been military with police powers, with
military officers and civilian crews on their ships during our window on
history. The Coast Survey administration, a predecessor to NOOA,
has always been totally civilian and very scientific. Their
primary purpose in life is making very good maps and nautical
charts. I'm very surprised they had a Celsius thermometer, but not
at all surprised that all their officers would be comfortable with it.
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FINALLY made it from Funchal to Rio.
Oh we're going to Rio.
De Janeiro (la la la laaa)
(http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/3821/roiold.jpg)
My
dad visited Rio on a good will trip on the Sheffield after the war - he
loved it - always wanted to go back. He wanted to go out on Concorde
and back on a banana boat. the thought would set him off singing the
banana boat song (oh six foot, seven foot, eight foot bunch...Oh
daylight come and me wan' go home .. I seem to recall it features a
deadly tarantula).
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4846_1.jpg (Janet and Propriome)
The position should be calculable, but probably there's an airport here nowadays (Santos Dumont - http://mapcarta.com/24947006)
- Rat Island to NNW (actually Ilha Fiscal - http://mapcarta.com/19272326)
- Villegagnon Island to SxE (http://mapcarta.com/19235716)
- Fort Santa Cruz to SE (Fortaleza de Santa Cruz da Barra - http://mapcarta.com/26577796)
So the ship should be quite near the actual airport. The coast line has surely got modified to make space for it.
The point is to SW.
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The only older map of Rio I could find that had some of your names in the detail insert was in the Rumsey collection:
Brasil du Sud 1930
I'm guessing "Colhaforca" was either a building or business, or renamed "Calabouco" before 1910.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4852_1.jpg
9th October 1884:
At 11.40 His Imperial Majesty Dom Pedro II of Brazil and his personal staff came on board and inspected the ship...
(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9179/pedroiicirca1887btransp.png)
(From
Wiki: A savant in his own right, the Emperor established a reputation
as a vigorous sponsor of learning, culture and the sciences. He won the
respect and admiration of scholars such as Charles Darwin, Victor Hugo
and Friedrich Nietzsche, and was a friend to Richard Wagner, Louis
Pasteur and Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, among others.)
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I'm thinking a science ship would have instruments that interested him more than a war ship would have. :)
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You absolutely hit the nail on the head Janet - the last log entry
of the day says: 'C.&G.S. work on "Deep Sea Soundings",
presented to the Emperor.' :D
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And I didn't open the log scan. ;D
He just sounded as if he and I got our curiosity from the same pool.
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;D ;D ;D
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%203/IMG_5150_1.jpg
9:25 Dr. Schwartz left ship to attend autopsy and give testimony in the case of murdered Japanese at Kings Cove Cannery
I'd
love to find out more information on this. Google tells me King's
Cove was founded as a community in 1911 (well, the Aleut people were
already there, but in terms of outsiders...) when a salmon cannery was
set up. And already a Japanese (man?) gets murdered needing an
autopsy and doctor's testimony?
It seems they employed Asian labourers and the murdered Japanese guy(?) must have been one of them:
In
1911, Pacific American Fisheries built a large cannery and employed
Aleut and other Native peoples, Asian workers, and Scandinavian workers.
Many Native people came from the villages of Belkofski, Sanak and False
Pass.
(http://www.aleutianseast.org/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={E8C1C50E-59DD-41FE-91DE-5D4E508F2081})
Anyways, kind of interesting, though it's not directly involving anyone on the ship.
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That's interesting! :o It's not a side of life in the navy that you think of...
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When I visited some historic ships in San Francisco, there was quite
a lot of information about (I think) Chinese crew members who were
employed in the canning factories and so on of the ships which went
north up the coast towards Alaska. I suspect they got the more
unpleasant jobs ....
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The Patterson has one, or maybe two (I don't remember now) Chinese men employed as cooks
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Well - I can't blame them. Some of those newspapers that I
posted bits of had other very sinister articles about how the immigrant
Chinese (in particular) were seen as undermining the San Francisco
economy - especially by sending so much money home (despite undercutting
the local pay rates of the other workers). Some papers featured
proposed anti-Chinese groups to cause physical trouble to Chinatown. It
was sounding a bit vigilante. So a trip away on a boat might well have
seemed like a safe move, even if the pay was not top dollar. The Chinese
of SF really did live in interesting times. :o :P
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%204/IMG_5214_1.jpg
Check
out the list of returned defective items in the Noon-8 pm section of
the log. With this level of quality, I wonder how the Pacific
Hardware and Steel Co could have stayed in business.
Yet, it looks like they survived as a separate entity for 7 years after this entry, when they merged with Baker and Hamilton
www.noehill.com/sf/landmarks/nat2005000001.asp
And then Baker and Hamilton survived until 1974
http://stiletto.com/t-about.aspx
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http://stiletto.com/t-about.aspx:
1906 - Baker and Hamilton's brand new building was completely destroyed in the Big San Francisco Earthquake
http://www.noehill.com/sf/landmarks/nat2005000001.asp:
The
building narrowly missed destruction in 1906 Earthquake and Fire when
the fire traveled down Townsend Street, turned north and burned only the
east side of Seventh Street. The fire destroyed many warehouses,
leaving the Baker & Hamilton Building a rare survivor.
??? ::) ???
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Those sites are talking about 2 different buildings I think.
- http://stiletto.com/t-about.aspx
1882 - Baker and Hamilton opens new "state of the art" main office and warehouse in San Francisco at the corner of Pine and Bush streets
1906 - Baker and Hamilton's brand new building was completely destroyed in the Big San Francisco Earthquake
- http://www.noehill.com/sf/landmarks/nat2005000001.asp
National Register #05000001
Baker & Hamilton
601 Townsend Street
Built 1904-1905
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That was my first thought, but I don't
think the 24-year-old building at Pine and Bush would be referred as
"brand new" in 1906 especially when another has been just built in
1904-1905.
:-\
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"New" is relative to any other building you've been in. It becomes a name, when the "old" one is still in use.
More
importantly, the other site is the official list of historic landmarks -
the company's own site has a right to present it's family myths; but I
don't know if that would be tolerated when getting landmark
status. I suspect the truth for the red brick building is
the walls survived but there was significant damage that felt like
destruction.
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It seems to signify approximately nothing, since the ship is already
at anchorage, but somebody drew a very lovely picture of an anchor in
the weather log for May 30th 1911.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%204/IMG_5260_0.jpg
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oh great! Those things are as rare as hen's teeth! Last one anyone
drew attention to (as a doodle) was, I think, about last October with
the heart-and-arrow in the Rodger's log 8)
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Someone had extra time on his hands. :)
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It was memorial day - maybe the holiday time made him feel
artistic. There's another one (though not quite as lovely) the
next day as well
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%204/IMG_5261_0.jpg
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Thankfully not belonging in the burials at sea posting:
A
Kalrow, Seaman, attempted to commit suicide by jumping overboard, but
was prevented from doing so by Boatswain Ramberg and Assistant
Janish. M at Arms and 1 Seaman keeping watch over him
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%204/IMG_5275_0.jpg
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I believe the name is A. Kalnow.
And good news - he apparently ended up doing OK, the 1920 census finds him to be 1st Mate on the liner SS Juneau.
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It is Kalnow - the next day's writing is clearer, where he tried
again to kill himself, this time by jumping through a porthole and got
put in irons as a result
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%204/IMG_5276_0.jpg
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I'm sorry he felt in such distress.
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I'm starting a new book with a set of entries that haven't been filled in and have a question:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%207/IMG_5548_0.jpg
The
weather log lists the Thermometer readings as "Air" and "Water."
The "Water" reading was excluded in 1911, but it seems in 1912, with a
new captain, they're filling it in.
The reference page for the
Patterson
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3315.msg53691#msg53691)
puts these entries under "Dry" and "Wet"
Is that how I should
transcribe, even though the heading is actually "Water"? or should
I do "Dry" and "Water" to match the page headings
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Go by the 1914 reference page: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3315.msg54615#msg54615
The
reference pages were written on samples sent to us of different logs
used. You just discovered the change over from first form to
second form.
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I will record as "Dry" and "Wet"
They actually used this same form in 1911 - they just didn't fill in the "water" reading that year.
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Not quite.
The 1914 page we got
(http://www.cosmik.com/oldweather/patterson_book16_img_6587.jpg) has
water crossed out and wet written in (and a, blank, water column written
in on the far left).
Since your 1912 log book has Air and Water, you should enter them as Dry and Water.
I hope this makes sense to you - if not, ask again ;)
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Well, luckily I hadn't finished the page from April Fool's Day
1912. I will record as Dry and Water, unless there is something
indicating otherwise.
Thanks!
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Randi, they are recording "water" in April (liquid) at 23 to 27
degrees F. I think we need to ask Philip and/or Kevin. I'll
send them this thread.
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They appear to be off the coast of Panama (Taboga Island), which
would make the water temperature believable (from the little I know of
Panamanian ocean temperatures)
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Randi had it right, and the dry/water is in C. Kevin also
explained why they switch to dry/wet in the arctic. Always go with
the headings.
Interestingly,
in the examples they are using C for air/water and F for attached
thermometer. In one they are in Panama and the values are in the 20s for
the former and 80s for the latter (and a bit high as one might expect
inside the ship). Absent other evidence I would accept what they say
they're measuring is the fact. Further, I can imagine why, in the
foggier parts of Alaska, and with field parties going out frequently in
remote areas, they would be more interested in wet/dry temps. These can
be used to anticipate when fog will form - an easy operation using a
table in Bowditch / Am. Practical Navigator - and thus predict on the
cooling side of the day when field parties should be recalled before
getting socked-in.
The
question has come up in a Patterson 1912 log. Are they measuring
sea water or wet bulb for humidity? Randi and I are making
different guesses, and as neither of us is a climatologist or a sailor, I
though we'd better ask.
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg64669#msg64669
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New question.
On this page: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%207/IMG_5553_0.jpg
It's
pretty clear (to me) that they put wind direction in the wrong column
(ship is at anchor). So can I just fill in the wind direction with
the info given, or should I leave all this info out?
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When the log keeper has CLEARLY entered the weather data in the wrong column, it should be put in the correct column.
Weather Data in the Wrong Column: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3191.msg51628#msg51628
It's pretty clear to me too ;)
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Who needs a Chief Engineer anyways?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%207/IMG_5594_0.jpg
Chief Engineer MF Flannery and Fireman Nahinu were not on board ship at sailing hour and ship proceeded to sea without them
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That's what the sails are for ::)
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Looks like the Chief Engineer took the overland route to meet the ship in Seattle:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%207/IMG_5600_1.jpg
No word on the other guy at this point
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Hi Asterix,
I just have this mind's eye picture of the engineer racing up the beach after the ship shouting 'Wait for meeeeee!' ;D
Having discovered that they can drive the thing without him I wonder if they cut his pay?? :-\
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I wonder what happened to him too. There are regular accounts
of sailors being disciplined, but I've seen nothing so far that applies
to officers. I can't imagine there were no consequences to missing
a sailing.
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The one thing I'm sure of, you can't humiliate an officer publicly
in the same way the then-system of enlisted punishments seriously tried
to humiliate the ship's sinners. It would undermine his authority
over the crew.
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And on June 11, 3 weeks after he made it back on board, the hammer falls on poor Mr. Flannery:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%207/IMG_5622_1.jpg
Mr. MF Flannery, Chief Engr, was this day relieved from duty by Comdg Officer, by direction of the Superintendent
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:o :o :o
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I wonder what became of him? :-[
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We will never know. He's too modern, we don't have 20th century officer lists.
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I thought this was funny:
8:00 to Noon:
10:20 Stopped off White rock. Mr. Hunter & 2 men left ship in dinghy to whitewash & mark White Rock.
White Rock was obviously misnamed....
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%208/IMG_5726_1.jpg
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;D
Perhaps this isn't the first time it was whitewashed ;)
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I thought this was funny:
8:00 to Noon:
10:20 Stopped off White rock. Mr. Hunter & 2 men left ship in dinghy to whitewash & mark White Rock.
White Rock was obviously misnamed....
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%208/IMG_5726_1.jpg
;D ;D ;D
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Randi
had it right, and the dry/water is in C. Kevin also explained why
they switch to dry/wet in the arctic. Always go with the
headings.
Interestingly,
in the examples they are using C for air/water and F for attached
thermometer. In one they are in Panama and the values are in the 20s for
the former and 80s for the latter (and a bit high as one might expect
inside the ship). Absent other evidence I would accept what they say
they're measuring is the fact. Further, I can imagine why, in the
foggier parts of Alaska, and with field parties going out frequently in
remote areas, they would be more interested in wet/dry temps. These can
be used to anticipate when fog will form - an easy operation using a
table in Bowditch / Am. Practical Navigator - and thus predict on the
cooling side of the day when field parties should be recalled before
getting socked-in.
The
question has come up in a Patterson 1912 log. Are they measuring
sea water or wet bulb for humidity? Randi and I are making
different guesses, and as neither of us is a climatologist or a sailor, I
though we'd better ask.
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg64669#msg64669
Going back to this question (started on the bottom of page 5 of this thread),
I
now am at the log previous to the one I was asking about (because the
books are scanned in some wacky order), and now they have decided to add
a separate column for water temp:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%209/IMG_5767_0.jpg
Up
until this point, when the "water" column was filled in on this log,
I'm pretty sure it was water temp (the previous day, for example, has
water readings that are higher than the dry bulb reading) - and that's
how I've been recording it for 3 or 4 books.
As of Dec 27,
1911, with the addition of this extra column, I'm pretty sure that the
pre-printed water column has magically transformed into a wet bulb
column.
So I will record as follows, unless given different marching orders from the powers that be here:
"Air" = Dry
"Water" = Water, unless there is another column hand-written in there, in which case "Water" = Wet
"Water Temp" (handwritten) = Water
If this post is a confusing mess, please let me know and I'll try to clarify
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It is quite clear to me ;)
I think you are doing it correctly.
We do have this 'later' http://www.djcosmik.com/oldweather/patterson_book16_img_6587.jpg (as I may have mentioned).
I will dig a little more to see if I find anything else useful.
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Yes, but 1914 is still years away
or the next book, given the wonky order these things are in
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"Yes, but 1914 is still years away"
I know, but it is about the only help I can give :'(
It seems to stop halfway through 19 Jan 1912.
I'm wondering if they had 2 different ways of measuring water temperature...
Thinking
more about it - and about people who don't check the forum and TWYS -
I'm having second thoughts about putting 'printed' water as wet.
It
may be better to enter it as water and then do a second weather entry
for that line with just the hour and the 'handwritten' water.
I will pass this on to Philip.
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ok - I have recorded at least one day with the approach I
indicated. Are you able to go back and use computer magic to
change the column entries for affected dates if I have taken the wrong
approach? I don't relish going back and editing hundreds of
entries.
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Maybe you should take a little break :-\ :-[
The more I think about it the less comfortable I am with 'fixing' this. I really think we need official word.
I looked a little at the events pages, but there didn't seen to be any explanation.
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Aye Aye. Maybe I'll visit some other ship until I have been given official orders.
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Any official word on what to do here?
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No. I sent Philip a PM but I haven't heard back yet :'(
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Hi Randi.
In
general we use TWYS - put in what the log says, even if it's wrong. But
that's impossible here, as there are two measurements claiming to be
water temperatures.
I agree with asterix's best judgement - the first one is actually a wet-bulb temperature; enter it as such.
Cheers, Philip
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aye aye, um, sir ??? (can't be aye aye captain, since I'm the captain. Can you say aye aye admiral?)
thanks
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Admiral of the Fleet is probably Philip's correct title. Admiral would be Kevin's title. VIP both of them. ;D
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The Patterson appears to have invented time travel:
10:50 Mr Lukens left in the launch for the tide station
10:15 Mr. Lukens returned, hoisted launch and boats
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%209/IMG_5811_1.jpg
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You could just call me Doctor Captain (I tried to sell that around the lab but that didn't fly!) ;D
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Slovenliness - not generally a quality you would look for in a cook
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%209/IMG_5829_1.jpg
"The wardroom cook, for general slovenliness, was put on bridge watch for 6 hours and quarantined for four weeks."
At least it was the wardroom cook. No telling what might have happened if the officers' cook had been slovenly.
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It does seem to be the officers' cook: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/wardroom :o
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Would the officers have 2 cooks? Because Ben Chin is listed as
Officer's cook throughout the logbook (why I assumed that wardroom cook
is not for the officers)
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I don't know...
Officer's Cook seems to be/have been a general term.
In
Thetis' log
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol004of024/vol004_006_0.jpg)
it lists several different kinds of cooks, although Thetis 'only' has 1
Ship's Cook, 1 Cabin Cook, and 1 Ward-room Cook.
Definitions from: http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq78-3.htm (for US Navy, so there may be some differences here)
Ship's Cook (Changed from Cook 1838; changed to Ship's Cook 1c, 2c, and 3c 1893; changed to Commissaryman 1948.)
Cabin Cook (Changed from Officer's Cook 1864; changed to Officer's Cook 1c 1923.)
Ward-room Cook (Changed from Officer's Cook 1864; changed to Officer's cook 2c 1923.)
Steerage Cooks (Changed from Officer's Cook 1864; changed to Officer's Cook 2c 1923.)
Warrant Officer's Cook (Changed from Officer's Cook 1864; changed to Officers Cook 3c 1923.)
Cook to Commander-in-Chief - only on a flagship (Changed from Officer's Cook 1864; disestablished 1921.)
From http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq78-3.htm
Officer's
Cook - Established 1838; changed to Cook to Commander-in-Chief, Cabin
Cook, Wardroom Cook, Steerage Cook, and Warrant Officer's Cook 1864.
(I hadn't associated Steerage with Officers :o ::) ???)
In the United States military, a Warrant Officer
(grade W-1 to W-5) is ranked as an officer above the senior-most
enlisted ranks, as well as officer cadets and candidates, but below the
officer grade of O-1 (NATO: OF-1). Warrant officers are highly skilled,
single-track specialty officers... -
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Warrant+Officer+%28United+States%29
Since, strictly speaking, the captain is not a wardroom officer, I wonder if the Cabin Cook is the captain's cook :-\
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Two things I think would be fun to know about this incident:
1)
What inspired this guy to refuse work for 2 weeks. The only other
mention of him in the log is 2 weeks prior to this, where he was given 4
weeks quarantine for bringing whisky on board
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%209/IMG_5816_1.jpg).
2) I would LOVE to see a transcript of what was said when Seaman Anderson was "given a clear understanding of his position"
John Anderson, Seaman
03/03/1912
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%209/IMG_5835_1.jpg)
- Refused duty and was put in double irons
04/03/1912
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%209/IMG_5836_1.jpg)
- Personally notified Seaman Anderson that his pay would be stopped for
such time as he continued to refuse duty - RS Patton Ass't G&GS
Exec Officer
05/03/1912
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%209/IMG_5837_1.jpg)
- still refusing to turn to was kept in irons
06/03/1912
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%209/IMG_5838_1.jpg)
- stiff refusing to turn to was kept in irons
07/03/1912
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%209/IMG_5839_1.jpg)
- still refusing duty was put on bread and water and kept in irons in
the sick bay
08/03/1912
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%209/IMG_5840_1.jpg)
- still refusing to work was kept in irons
09/03/1912
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%209/IMG_5841_1.jpg)
- was brought up to the mast and given a clear understanding of his
position. He still refused to work and was kept in irons
10/03/1912
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%209/IMG_5842_1.jpg)
- still refuses duty was still kept in single irons but was given full
ration to-day in conformity with navigation law
11/03/1912
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%209/IMG_5843_1.jpg)
- The irons were taken off Seaman Anderson and he was ordered to turn
to, he refused to do so and the irons were replaced
12/03/1912
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%209/IMG_5844_1.jpg)
- The irons were taken off Seaman Anderson today to allow him to take a
bath and change his clothes. After he had done so they were
replaced
16/03/1912
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%209/IMG_5848_1.jpg)
- Seaman Anderson this morning expressed a willingness to work for the
first time since his confinement and was released from irons
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:o Keep us posted!
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Okay, back to the miserable confusion about what is being recorded in the "Water" column for the logs.
On
the last logbook (Oct 1-Dec 30, 1912 - starting here -
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2010/IMG_5872_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2010/IMG_5872_0.jpg)),
the logkeepers were very kind about crossing out the word "Water" and
writing in "Wet" every single day.
Now they're in Hawaii and
obviously, the tropical sun has made them a bit more lax. They are
just leaving the "Water" column as is for most days (eg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2011/IMG_6001_0.jpg)
But of course just to keep things interesting, there are a couple of exceptions when they manage to write in the word "Wet"
Jan 4, 1913 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2011/IMG_6004_0.jpg)
Feb 17, 1913 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS Patterson/Book 11/IMG_6049_0.jpg)
March 2, 1913 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2011/IMG_6063_0.jpg)
March
12, 1913
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2011/IMG_6075_0.jpg)
and thereafter as they head back to Seattle and start recording surface
water temperature.
SO, based on the previous log and their once a
month notation of Wet in the Water column, I'm going to record the
water column from this log book as Wet.
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Do the best you can - you are now the most knowledgeable living soul at guessing what this log keeper was doing.
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oh the pleasures to come! Asterix I'm so grateful that you've logged
all these oddities. It'll save me a lot of brainache later...Lucky me -
so thank you lots!
Joan :D :D :D
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Do the best you can - you are now the most knowledgeable living soul at guessing what this log keeper was doing.
Part
of the reason I'm posting this is that, in the (probably likely) case
that different people transcribe these values into different columns,
our oldweather digital overlords will have some reference to what was
going on and will be able to use these comments to better align the data
to what seems most appropriate. Is that a reasonable assumption?
oh
the pleasures to come! Asterix I'm so grateful that you've logged all
these oddities. It'll save me a lot of brainache later...Lucky me - so
thank you lots!
Joan :D :D :D
And
I'm only guessing - I think I may have gotten it wrong earlier - I
think what I counted as water readings were in fact wet bulb
readings. But who knows - you'll probably be in a better position
to guess than I was when I hit those books.
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Yes, I think the science team keeps an eye on the discussion threads.
We just do the best we can at the time ;)
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The Patterson appears to have taken deep sea temperature readings during its work:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2011/IMG_6038_1.jpg (see the mid to noon section)
These
readings are not in the log, and I have no idea what, if anything was
ever done with this data, but it may be something for people to look
into
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O.W. Swainson was the Third Officer for the Patterson as it headed
off to Hawaii. At some point, he elected to stay in Honolulu and
transcribe hydrography charts rather than head back out to the working
grounds with the ship (don't recall exactly when). I figured he
just found it more efficient to work on shore.
Then on March 11,
1913
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2011/IMG_6074_1.jpg),
the day before the Patterson is set to sail back to Seattle, there is
this little entry at the bottom of the comments page:
Mrs. O.W. Swainson, cabin passenger to Seattle, came aboard at 7:00
Now I wonder if that was the cause or the effect of his working in Honolulu.
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;D
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I've noticed that on a fairly regular basis on the Patterson, when crew are hired on, they are hired at one rating and then immediately "rated up" to a higher pay grade.
eg: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2012/IMG_6106_0.jpg
All
four guys who were hired on were "hired" at a 2" class rating, and then
immediately given a $5 (per month?) raise and increase in rating to 1"
class.
Does anyone know why they would do this rather than just hiring them at the rating they're going to have?
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I really don't know, but have some guesses. Either their empty
spots on the roster need the higher grade and the pool at that port are
not yet qualified for it, and/or they hire sailors whose paperwork is
that lower grade by bribing them with the promise of immediate
promotion.
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I'm guessing more the bribery angle because it happens with such regularity.
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I'm guessing that bribery ploy was very successful anytime the pool
of sailors looking for a ship was smaller then the number of openings
offered by all the ships in port. :)
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On this page: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2012/IMG_6209_0.jpg
for two hours they recorded both "Surface temp" and "Water temp"
Luckily these are both the same value both times, so I'm just going to put that in the water column.
But if it happens again, and the values differ, which one is preferred? Or is there a way to capture both of them?
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Since the watch/log keeper had just changed, I'm wondering if he
started a new column for the water temperature without realizing that
there already was one (or confused by the title 'Surf Temp'). The two
column headings seem to be in a different handwriting.
On the
previous day
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2012/IMG_6208_0.jpg)
the same log keeper seems to have added water(?) temperatures in the
Remarks column during his watch.
I think you handled it correctly. If it happens again, and the values differ, we can try to figure out what is going on.
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That's probably a good guess. The log keepers on this voyage
don't seem very disciplined compared to some previous voyages.
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The Patterson appears to have taken deep sea temperature readings during its work:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2011/IMG_6038_1.jpg (see the mid to noon section)
These
readings are not in the log, and I have no idea what, if anything was
ever done with this data, but it may be something for people to look
into
Yes,
these data are generally found in separate field books also held by the
National Archives or the Smithsonian. Incidentally, the field books of
the ALBATROSS were imaged by the Smithsonian, which will at some point
be virtually linked to the logbooks. Often the field books refer to
time/position found in the logbooks and so both must be in hand to make
use of the data.
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Cool. Will we be getting both of them at the same time?
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We are only planning to link the images of the field books that are
already available as a development exercise. In the future someone
researching some of our ships will be able to see the logs, OW
transcriptions (which also enable word-level search) and any other
linked open data, some of which may be annotated or transcribed at some
point.
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I've noticed that on a fairly regular basis on the Patterson, when crew are hired on, they are hired at one rating and then immediately "rated up" to a higher pay grade.
eg: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2012/IMG_6106_0.jpg
All
four guys who were hired on were "hired" at a 2" class rating, and then
immediately given a $5 (per month?) raise and increase in rating to 1"
class.
Does anyone know why they would do this rather than just hiring them at the rating they're going to have?
I'm
guessing that bribery ploy was very successful anytime the pool of
sailors looking for a ship was smaller then the number of openings
offered by all the ships in port. :)
The bribery angle seems less likely in this case:
oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2013/IMG_6254_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2013/IMG_6254_1.jpg)
oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2013/IMG_6256_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2013/IMG_6256_1.jpg)
Carl
Nilsen was discharged for expiration of term of enlistment, ranked as
an A to E 2nd Class on July 1st. Then on July 2nd, he was
re-shipped as A to E 3rd class and immediately rated back up to his old
rating.
They're basically renewing this guy's contract for a year
while at sea in the middle of nowhere Alaska - yet they need to demote
him and then promote him back up to the rank he had the previous
day.
It seems quite pointless to me, and I can't figure out any good explanation for it.
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That is extremely odd - they are both using him and paying him for a
higher grade than he is allowed to keep onshore? Does he have to
take tests or something to keep that grade?
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It could be that there is a standard billet list for the ship - in
today's merchant marine it is the official manning document that is part
of the certificate of inspection. So a ship has to have, say, one
master, three mates, 4 ABs and 8 ordinary seamen... So you hire
the only guy you have to fill the OS billet and then promote him to his
usual rating and pay. In fact, now that I think about it I sailed on
more than one occasion in a billet two levels below grade but was paid
my usual rate as chief officer or whatever it was. This was because the
person who was supposed to sail as 3rd was not able to make it and I was
asked to make a 'pier-head leap' as its called.
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So in this case "rated to A to E 2nd class" means he's officially
listed on the books as 3rd class, but being paid as if he was 2nd class?
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Thanks, Kevin! That is very interesting.
So
in this case "rated to A to E 2nd class" means he's officially listed
on the books as 3rd class, but being paid as if he was 2nd class?
Or perhaps once the books have been approved he is upgraded?
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It
could be that there is a standard billet list for the ship - in today's
merchant marine it is the official manning document that is part of the
certificate of inspection. So a ship has to have, say, one master,
three mates, 4 ABs and 8 ordinary seamen... So you hire the only
guy you have to fill the OS billet and then promote him to his usual
rating and pay. In fact, now that I think about it I sailed on more than
one occasion in a billet two levels below grade but was paid my usual
rate as chief officer or whatever it was. This was because the person
who was supposed to sail as 3rd was not able to make it and I was asked
to make a 'pier-head leap' as its called.
That
makes more sense. The ship gets better help, and willingly pays
for it, but has to tell the shore folk they have filled all the basic
grades. Especially in a survey or scientific expedition, the added
skills would allow nice flexibility when you send out small parties.
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I'm way back on the Patterson - still heading up to Valparaiso.
We've stopped over at Talcahuana and have met the American Consul, Mr J
Van Lugen on 30/11/1884 (gosh - exactly three years ago I was burning
down on the Rodgers....how the years go by). Curious to know more of the
consul I found this:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Lt William Maxwell Wood's Voyage on the Juniata
(http://www.rosewindpress.com/images/Wm_Maxwell_Wood_Journal_JUNIATA.pdf)
About the March 14th 1887
'Before
leaving we gave an afternoon dance on the ship and had all our friends
off to it except our Consul. Mr. Van Lugen and his family, wife and
party daughter and the guests from Santiago, Mr & Mrs. Manuola.
They, the Van Lugens did not seem to get on well with the rest of the inhabitants.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Party-pooper..oh well... :-\ :-X
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8)
It seems to me that his job is to get on well with the rest of the inhabitants. ::) ::) ::)
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By Gum - you're right....we'll have his salary back then ;D ;D ;D
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disappointing for his "party daughter", I imagine :D
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That's an odd one isn't it Craig...a party daughter...the only thing
it brings to my mind is the old party telephone line system where folks
had to share a line if there were insufficient at the exchange. Perhaps
there was a dearth of daughters in town. ::) ::) :-\ ;)
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Rear Admiral Upshur (Nee Nottingham) visits the Patterson during anchorage in Valparaiso.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4919_1.jpg
13/12/1884
He
was promoted to Commodore Commander, July 25, 1884. He comanded the
Flagship of the Pacific Squadron, 1872-73; commanded the Flagship of the
Atlantic Squadron, 1875-76; commanded the New York Navy Yard, 1882-84;
he was promoted to Rear Admiral and ordered to command U.S. Naval Forces
in the Pacific. He retired in May 1885, after 44 years os service, at
his own application and resided in Washington, D.C. thereafter.
http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/jhupshur.htm
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d0/John_Henry_Upshur.jpg)
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September 16, 1913
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2013/IMG_6333_1.jpg)
The Patterson passed through several streaks of small pumice stone
(old).
Never seen this before. Doesn't seem like there was
significant volcanic activity that year in Alaska.
(https://www.avo.alaska.edu/volcanoes/activity.php?volcname=Shishaldin&page=citations&eruptionid=562)
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SPOILER ALERT!!!
For
any other Patterson transcribers, I thought it might be interesting to
know what the log books are because they aren't always in order.
I'll update this post as I get farther along:
Since asterix135 is no longer active, I have taken over this list.
It has been updated to include all the logs - having gone as far as I could on this ship, I can confirm the list is complete.
- Hanibal94
Log Books of the Patterson
1. July 30, 1884 - February 4, 1885 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4770_0.jpg)
Sailing from Virginia (as a shiny new ship) to San Diego, California
2. January 1, 1911 - March 31, 1911 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%202/IMG_4978_0.jpg)
Spent entirely in port/dry dock in or near San Francisco, California
3. July 1, 1911 - September 30, 1911 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%203/IMG_5095_0.jpg)
Working around Unalaska, Alaska
4. April 1, 1911 - June 30, 1911 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%204/IMG_5196_0.jpg)
From San Francisco California to area around Unalaska, Alaska
6. September 1, 1911 - December 15, 1911 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%206/IMG_5454_0.jpg)
From Unalaska, Alaska Area to San Francisco, California
7. April 1, 1912 - June 30, 1912 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%207/IMG_5542_0.jpg)
From Panama to Seattle, Washington
8. July 1, 1912 - September 30, 1912 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%208/IMG_5646_0.jpg)
From Seattle to area around Ketchikan, Alaska
9. December 15, 1911 - March 31, 1912 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%209/IMG_5749_0.jpg)
From San Francisco, California to Panama
10. October 1, 1912 - December 31, 1912 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2010/IMG_5867_0.jpg)
From area around Ketchikan, Alaska to Seattle, Washington and Departing for Maui, Hawaii
11. January 1, 1913 - March 31, 1913 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2011/IMG_5995_0.jpg)
Starting with passage to Maui, Hawaii, ending in Seattle, Washington
12. April 1, 1913 - June 30, 1913 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2012/IMG_6101_0.jpg)
From Seattle Washington to Davidson Bank, Alaska
13. July 1, 1913 - September 30, 1913 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2013/IMG_6248_0.jpg)
Working in and around Davidson Bank, Alaska
14. October 1, 1913 - December 31, 1913 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6357_0.jpg)
Working in and around Davidson Bank, Alaska then directly to Honolulu & Maui, Hawaii
15.
April 1, 1914 - June 30, 1914
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2015%20-%20April%201%20-%20June%2030,%201914/IMG_6463_0.jpg)
Starting in Hawaii and then off to Alaska
16. July 1, 1914 - September 30, 1914 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2016/IMG_6569_0.jpg)
Working in the Alaskan peninsula
17. October 1, 1914 - December 31, 1914 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2017/IMG_6672_0.jpg)
Starting in the area around Unalaska Alaska and then heading to Seattle, Washington
18. January 1, 1915 - March 31, 1915 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2018/IMG_6779_0.jpg)
Sitting. In. Seattle. The. Entire. Three. Months
19. October 1, 1915 - December 31, 1915 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2019/IMG_6888_0.jpg)
Alaska to Seattle
20. July 1, 1915 - September 30, 1915 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2020/IMG_6991_1.jpg)
Working in Alaska
21. April 1, 1915 - June 30, 1915 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2021/IMG_7098_0.jpg)
Generally in & around Seattle, but at the end up to Alaska
22. January 1, 1916 - March 31, 1916 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2022/IMG_7212_0.jpg)
In port in Seattle
23. April 1, 1916 - June 30, 1916 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2023/IMG_7329_0.jpg)
From Seattle to area north of Ketchikan Alaska
24. July 1, 1916 - September 30, 1916 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2024/IMG_7431_0.jpg)
Working in the area near Ketchikan and Wrangell Alaska
25. October 1, 1916 - December 31, 1916 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7532_0.jpg)
Working in the area near Ketchikan and Wrangell Alaska and then back to Seattle
26. January 1, 1917 - March 31, 1917 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2026/IMG_7638_0.jpg)
Seattle and Winslow, Washington
27. April 1, 1917 - June 30, 1917 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2027/IMG_7741_0.jpg)
Seattle to Alaska
28. July 1, 1917 - September 30, 1917 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2028/IMG_7846_0.jpg)
Near Juneau Alaska
29. October 1, 1917 - December 31, 1917 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2029/IMG_7959_0.jpg)
From Juneau Alaska to Seattle Washington
30. January 1, 1918 - March 31, 1918 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2030/IMG_8113_0.jpg)
(does not come up for transcription here - see below)
31. April 1, 1918 - May 23, 1918 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2031/IMG_7694_0.jpg)
In port in Seattle until transferred to the US Navy on May 23
32.
Not available
33. February 6, 1885 - July 20, 1885 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2033/IMG_8116_1.jpg)
From San Diego to Naha Bay, Alaska
34. July 21, 1885 - January 16, 1886 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2034/IMG_8216_0.jpg)
From Kasaan Bay, Alaska to Mare Island, California
35. January 17th, 1886 - July 7th, 1886 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2035/IMG_8322_0.jpg)
From Mare Island, California to Steamer Bay, Alaska
36.
July 8th, 1886 - December 31st, 1886
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2036/IMG_8425_0.jpg)
From Steamer Bay, Alaska to Mare Island, California
37. January 1st, 1887 - June 27th, 1887 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2037/IMG_8527_0.jpg)
From Mare Island, California to around Chican, Alaska
38.
June 28th, 1887 - December 30th, 1887
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2038/IMG_8628_0.jpg)
From Portage Bay, Alaska to Mare Island, California
39.
December 31st, 1887 - June 26th, 1888
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2039/IMG_8734_0.jpg)
From Mare Island, California to area near Juneau, Alaska
40. June 27th, 1888 - January 1st, 1889 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2040/IMG_8836_0.jpg)
From Juneau, Alaska to Oakland, California
41. January 2nd, 1889 - July 4th, 1889 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2041/IMG_8940_1.jpg)
From Oakland, California to Southeast Alaska
42. July 5th, 1889 - October 9th, 1889 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2042/IMG_9043_0.jpg)
Mostly working in Alaska, departing for California towards the end
43.
October 10th, 1889 - January 12th, 1890
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2043/IMG_9150_0.jpg)
From Alaska to Mare Island, California
44.
January 13th, 1890 - July 22nd, 1890
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2044/IMG_9249_0.jpg)
From Mare Island, California to Southeast Alaska
45.
October 28th, 1890 - December 31st, 1890
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2045/IMG_9353_0.jpg)
Sitting around in San Francisco and Mare Island, California
46.
July 23rd, 1890 - October 27th, 1890
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2046/IMG_9426_1.jpg)
From Portage Bay, Southeast Alaska to San Francisco
47. January 1st, 1891 - April 5th, 1891 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2047/IMG_9531_0.jpg)
Sitting around in Mare Island the whole time
48. April 6th, 1891 - June 30th, 1891 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2048/IMG_9637_0.jpg)
From Mare Island, California to Shoalwater Pass, Alaska
49. July 1st, 1891 - Sep 30th, 1891 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2049/IMG_9733_0.jpg)
From Shoalwater Pass, Alaska to Departure Bay, British Columbia
50.
January 1st, 1892 - March 31st, 1892
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2050/IMG_9836_0.jpg)
In Mare Island, California all the time (Does not appear to come up for transcription)
51. Oct 1st, 1891 - Dec 31st, 1891 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2051/IMG_9488_0.jpg)
From Departure Bay, British Columbia to Mare Island, California
52. April 1st, 1892 - June 30th, 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2052/IMG_9588_0.jpg)
From Mare Island, California to Conclusion Harbor
53. July 1st, 1892 - Sep 30th, 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2053/IMG_9688_0.jpg)
From Conclusion Harbor to Departure Bay, British Columbia
54. Oct 1st, 1892 - Dec 31st, 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2054/IMG_9788_0.jpg)
From Departure Bay, British Columbia to San Francisco, California
55.
January 1st, 1893 - March 31st, 1893
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2055/IMG_9892_1.jpg)
In San Francisco for all three months
56. April 1st, 1893 - June 30th, 1893 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2056/IMG_9991_0.jpg)
From Mare Island, California to Unknown due to inability to access final pages of log (Does not come up for transcription)
72. January 1, 1918 - March 31, 1918 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2072/IMG_8110_1.jpg)
In port in Seattle (Only Jan 1st - Jan 18th actually come up for transcription)
75. April 1st, 1897 - June 30th, 1897 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2075/IMG_1983_1.jpg)
From San Francisco to Gilmer Bay, Sitka, Alaska
76.
July 1st, 1897 - September 30th, 1897
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2076/IMG_2085_1.jpg)
DUPLICATE of 78
77.
October 1st, 1897 - December 31st, 1897
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2077/IMG_2188_1.jpg)
DUPLICATE of 79 (does not come up for transcription)
78.
July 1st, 1897 - September 30th, 1897
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2078/IMG_2290_1.jpg)
79.
October 1st, 1897 - December 31st, 1897
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2079/IMG_2392_1.jpg)
80. January 1st - March 31st 1898 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2080/IMG_2495_1.jpg)
81. April 1st - June 30th 1898 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2081/IMG_2595_1.jpg)
82. April 1st - September 30th 1899 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2082/IMG_2698_0.jpg)
83. October 31st - December 31st 1898 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2083/IMG_2800_1.jpg)
84. July 1st - September 30th 1898 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2084/IMG_2902_0.jpg)
85. January 1st - March 31st 1899 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2085/IMG_3006_1.jpg)
86. October 1st - December 31st 1899 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2086/IMG_3107_1.jpg)
DUPLICATE OF 88 (does not come up for transcription)
87. April 1st - June 30th 1900 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2087/IMG_3209_1.jpg)
88. October 1st - December 31st 1899 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2088/IMG_3309_1.jpg)
89. July 1st 1900 - September 30th 1900 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2089/IMG_3412_1.jpg)
(does not come up for transcription although it should)
94. January 1st 1893 - March 31st 1893
DUPLICATE OF 55
96. July 1st 1893 - September 30th 1893 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2096/IMG_0092_1.jpg)
97.
October 1st 1893 - December 31st 1893
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2097/IMG_0191_1.jpg)
98. January 1st 1894 - March 31st 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2098/IMG_0291_1.jpg)
99. April 1st 1894 - June 30th 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2099/IMG_0393_1.jpg)
100.
July 1st 1894 - September 30th 1894
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20100/IMG_0501_1.jpg)
101.
October 1st 1894 - December 31st 1894
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20101/IMG_0600_1.jpg)
102.
January 1st 1895 - March 31st 1895
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20102/IMG_0702_1.jpg)
103. April 1st 1895 - June 30th 1895 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20103/IMG_0802_1.jpg)
104.
July 1st 1895 - September 30th 1895
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20104/IMG_0903_1.jpg)
105.
October 1st 1895 - December 31st 1895
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20105/IMG_1005_1.jpg)
107.
January 1st 1896 - March 31st 1896
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20107/IMG_1224_1.jpg)
108. April 1st 1896 - June 30th 1896 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20108/IMG_1328_1.jpg)
109.
July 1st 1896 - September 30th 1896
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20109/IMG_1434_1.jpg)
110.
October 1st 1896 - December 31st 1896
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20110/IMG_1536_1.jpg)
112.
April 1st - 22nd 1897
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20112/IMG_1763_1.jpg)
and April 1st - June 30th 1900
DUPLICATE OF PART OF 75 AND ALL OF 87
113.
January 1st 1900 - March 31st 1900
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20113/IMG_3613_1.jpg)
Also contains 26th Feb - 31 Mar 1892, which must be transcribed as well.
114. April 1st 1901 - June 30th 1901 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20114/IMG_3520_1.jpg)
115.
October 1st 1900 - December 31st 1900
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20115/IMG_3621_1.jpg)
116.
July 1st 1901 - September 30th 1901
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20116/IMG_3722_1.jpg)
117.
October 1st 1901 - December 31st 1901
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20117/IMG_3821_1.jpg)
118. May 26th 1902 - June 30th 1902 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20118/IMG_3921_1.jpg)
119.
July 1st 1902 - September 30th 1902
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20119/IMG_3964_1.jpg)
120.
October 1st 1902 - December 31st 1902
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20120/IMG_4066_1.jpg)
121. January 1st - 24th 1903 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20121/IMG_4167_1.jpg)
122. April 1st 1903 - June 30th 1903 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20122/IMG_4199_1.jpg)
123.
July 1st 1903 - September 30th 1903
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20123/IMG_4288_1.jpg)
124.
October 1st 1903 - December 31st 1903
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20124/IMG_4388_1.jpg)
125.
January 1st 1904 - March 31st 1904
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20125/IMG_4489_1.jpg)
126. April 1st 1904 - June 30th 1904 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20126/IMG_4589_1.jpg)
127.
July 1st 1904 - September 30th 1904
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20127/IMG_4691_1.jpg)
128.
October 1st 1904 - December 31st 1904
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20128/IMG_4792_1.jpg)
129.
January 1st 1905 - March 31st 1905
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20129/IMG_4892_1.jpg)
130. April 1st 1905 - June 30th 1905 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20130/IMG_4991_1.jpg)
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How would you record the 8:00 am entry on this?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2013/IMG_6337_0.jpg
There are two time entries in the box - 8:00 and 8:30, with the 8:30 above the 8:00
I'm counting one entry for 8:30 with wind from the SW at a speed of 1 - nothing else
The second entry is all the wind direction of ", speed of 1 and all the other info on the line
Seem right?
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Seems perfect. If they were doing "Hydrography" they may have
asked for a second wind reading for mechanical reasons after the 8am
reading had been recorded.
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They tend to put in extra in-between the hour readings for ship
direction, but not normally for weather, so they're easy to ignore.
I
also think this was one of those instances where I was fighting the
desire to clear up what was written there. - technically, the quote mark
at 8:00 means the (later) 8:30 wind direction was repeated earlier in
the day, which kinda makes no sense from the way I understand space/time
to work. But whether it means that 8:00's wind was from the SW or
NW is probably not very important, and is something that somebody else
can deal with if it is.
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The whole point of TWYS even their errors and stupidities is to preserve the historic record.
It doesn't make the log keepers any less erroneous or apt to stupidities. ::)
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For anyone using or parsing this data:
It appears that on
September 28, 1913
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2013/IMG_6346_0.jpg),
the wet bulb thermometer was broken and replaced with a new one.
I
suppose theoretically, that should not matter. But given that
it's 1913, and I have no idea how precise instrumentation was back then,
it may make a difference in the readings.
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Quite the drop in air pressure on Dec 4 2013 in Honolulu
Dec 3: 29.99 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6428_0.jpg)
Dec 4: 21.99 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6429_0.jpg)
Dec 4: 29.96 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6430_0.jpg)
Recorded as written in the logs - though there are no mentions of adverse effects of this one-day pressure plunge
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Perhaps they were too light headed to comment?
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::)
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Weird - they are working on Centigrade and Fahrenheit.... :o
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6435_1.jpg
Most of the stuff they take on board makes sense.
But 2 bales of Waste?!? :o
The Patterson is not a garbage scow.....
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This makes total sense to me, given the context of the whole list,
which also contains 2 bales Sanitary rags. Engineers need to mop
up oily messes from spills and leaks, and their sponges can't be easily
cleaned and reused. So they buy rags. Ultra-cheap cloth or
fiber scrap of any kind, probably for soaking up floor puddles, and some
decent clean rags for cleaning instruments and important stuff.
I
might note, I worked for 9 years in a factory that made all kinds of
felt, and the selvage, trimmings, and broken loose fibers we collected
from the wool felt lines especially filled a couple of big trash
gondolas every shift. That is after we sent the good stuff back to
the warehouse to grind up and feed back into the next days products as
"recycled fiber". If a ship chandler's buyer had come in and asked
to keep all other garbage out of those gondolas, and then they'd pay us
a few pennies a pound and haul it out (instead of us paying the garbage
pickup for the same service, I promise you that there would be all
kinds of supervisors policing what went into those containers.
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I kinda thought the same thing.
But to call it just "Waste?" Sounds like they're taking bales of garbage on board
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Within the fiber industry, 'waste' is actually a technical
term. All fiber that goes through cloth/felt making comes out with
some damage to each individual fiber. They are still very usable,
but get classed as "recycled" so no operator makes the mistake of
thinking it can make up too large a percentage of the next production
lot.
Any and all of what falls out of that recycled stuff as it
gets fed in sustains further damage to each individual fiber, and if
they attempt to recycle it a second time, at least 90% of it will fall
out resulting in wasted labor hours and much more difficult clean-up,
and weaker fabric - the amount of fiber gets weighed before feeding it
in, so the fabric will end up with too little to meet
specifications. Much trouble with no material savings. So it
gets classed as 'waste'. Some of it may actually be defective
woven product that already contains a high recycled percentage.
Note:
"Waste", "Rags" and "Sanitary Rags" are 3 different classes.
"Rags" are all whole cloth of reasonable size, but not necessarily clean
enough to clean furniture. "Sanitary" is a slight exaggeration,
they have been laundered but I wouldn't use them as bandages on open
wounds.
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Mini-mutiny on the Patterson! 21 December, 1913
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6446_0.jpg)
The following members of the crew failed to return to the ship at 1:00 PM, the time set for sailing:
B Ramberg, Bswain
Andrew Anderson, BM 1 Cl
RC Lawton, M at A
C Bendfeldt, QM 2" Cl
Otto Amelang, Fire 1" Cl
Thos Linday, Fire 1" Cl
W Stahl sea
Liberty
had been granted until Noon. Delayed sailing 15 min after time
set. Inquiry showed that the men knew, beyond doubt, the time set
for sailing and it appears that they deliberately and intentionally
remained away at sailing time. Pending further action, the pay and
rations of the above men were stopped
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When I was a kid I read all my dad's old Hardy Boys and Tom Swift
books (the early series published in the teens and twenties). It was all
chums and cotton waste. Which puzzled me at the time as I only knew
chum as a kind of fish bait and waste as, well, waste. But apparently
its an old term for clean-up material. And here's everything you could
want to know if so compelled:
COTTON WASTE: ITS PRODUCTION, MANIPULATION AND USES
BY THOMAS T. HORNLEY (1912)
FOR
SIXTEEN YEARS HEAD OF THE SPINNING DEPARTMENT AT THE TECHNICAL SCHOOL,
BOLTON; AUTHOR OF "COTTON COMBING MACHINES," "COTTON SPINNING" (1ST
YEAR, 2ND YEAR, AND HONOURS), ETC.; WITH SIXTY ILLUSTRATIONS
http://archive.org/stream/cottonwasteitspr00thorrich/cottonwasteitspr00thorrich_djvu.txt
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Cotton is the ONLY fiber waste I have never seen - because of health
hazards to workers breathing in cotton dust, it was the one fiber we
refused to put in our warehouses, be it new, rags or waste. :)
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2015%20-%20April%201%20-%20June%2030,%201914/IMG_6501_0.jpg
On
May 2, 1914, the record keeper of the Patterson appears to have
switched to Celsius for the "Ther Attached" reading for the last 3 hours
of the log.
This is not continued on subsequent days and there is no indication of a change in thermometer in the comments section.
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Well, this is the kind of switch which will get the analyzer's
attention but should be self-explanatory. TWYS of course. :)
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From what I can gather, the Patterson has gone help out the Steamer
Yukon that seems to be stranded in Goodnews Bay Alaska (not a goodnews
place for the Yukon, it seems). They had a number of officers were
on board as passenger, they brought supplies and rations in for the
ship, they had engineering staff helping in the Yukon's engine room,
etc.
Anyways,
On June 11, they noted that they had sent
in 16 tons of coal for the Yukon. Should I record this as -16 Tons
in the refueling section (as this was not coal the Patterson burned),
or just put it under events?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2015%20-%20April%201%20-%20June%2030,%201914/IMG_6545_0.jpg
My inclination is to put it in the refueling section
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It's a weird case. I'd be inclined to use events, but others may disagree. It's up to you ;)
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Doesn't seem to be addressed (or at least not easily findable) in the FAQ thingy.
Patterson
logkeepers have started entering some readings as 6.- (not 6.0). (eg.
see the last entries on
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2015%20-%20April%201%20-%20June%2030,%201914/IMG_6553_0.jpg)
I am entering these as written.
Is that ok?
I think that is the best way to do it.
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From
what I can gather, the Patterson has gone help out the Steamer Yukon
that seems to be stranded in Goodnews Bay Alaska (not a goodnews place
for the Yukon, it seems). They had a number of officers were on
board as passenger, they brought supplies and rations in for the ship,
they had engineering staff helping in the Yukon's engine room, etc.
Anyways,
On
June 11, they noted that they had sent in 16 tons of coal for the
Yukon. Should I record this as -16 Tons in the refueling section
(as this was not coal the Patterson burned), or just put it under
events?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2015%20-%20April%201%20-%20June%2030,%201914/IMG_6545_0.jpg
My inclination is to put it in the refueling section
That one can be Transcriber's Choice. I tend to look at it as a negative refueling. But it is also an event.
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The Patterson gets around.
We met up with the Albatross today (July 28, 1914)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2016/IMG_6601_1.jpg
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It's a small
world ocean! ;) 8)
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OK. Moving from the Yukon to Patterson.
In case others
have a hard time reading it, the ship is currently in Talcahuano,
Chile. Took me 3 logs to finally tease out the handwriting.
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Zovacor
welcome to the top 12 !
;)
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welcome aboard!
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A bad morning at sea:
At
7:25 Launch #38 left ship with cutter & whaleboat in tow.
Launch broke down & anchored - boats got adrift - sent motor dory
out to pick them up. Dory launch broke down. Launch 38 returned to
ship - sent Launch 38 after other boats. Launch 38 broke down
soon after picking up the motor dory, but finally managed to get all
boats to the Str Yukon.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2016/IMG_6652_1.jpg
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:o
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Sounds like my first scuba dive.
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One of those days when you wish you'd never gotten out of bed. ::)
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The sinking of the USRC Tahoma & The Patterson's role in her
rescue - asterix135
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4004.msg75751#msg75751)
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asterix135 passes the 25,000 mark!
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I just came across these photos of the Patterson in dry dock in Honolulu in 1913.
She
entered the Inter-Island Steamship Co's floating dry dock on Dec 1,
1913
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6426_1.jpg),
and was released from confinement on Dec 6, 1913
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6431_1.jpg)
Nice inlay work on the bow...
(http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/1213008308.jpg)
(http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/1213008309.jpg)
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There appear to be some kind of internet gremlins at work here.
They are showing up sporadically for me - they showed up when I previewed.
Anyways, if they don't show up the links are:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/1213008308.jpg
http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/1213008309.jpg
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Excessively odd gremlins - if i right-click your failed embedded
clicks and choose "show image in new tab", the picture is good.
Great pics by the way. I simply embed them in this post, even the
preview fails. :(
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There appear to be some kind of internet gremlins at work here.
They are showing up sporadically for me - they showed up when I previewed.
Anyways, if they don't show up the links are:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/1213008308.jpg
http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/1213008309.jpg
I just had the same problem with a link Caro posted.
When
I looked at the post, nothing showed up. When I quoted the post, I
could see the URL. When I pasted the URL into the address field in
another tab, the image showed up.
THEN, when I looked at the original post, the image had become visible!
::)
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Definitely spooky!
(http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/10172/cat_on_a_crescent_moon_animal-emoticon-0066.gif)
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Reference to discussion about corrected log entries.
Affects Feb 1 and 2 1915 (and maybe some later ones??)
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4014.0
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Dealing with a crew member who contracted scarlet fever:
01/10/1915 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2019/IMG_6888_1.jpg)
- Olsen, Bos'n Mate who had been brought aboard for medical treatment
was found by Dr's diagnosis to have scarlet fever. Immediate
attention was given to having him put in a tent isolated from the
balance of the camp. What outfit he wanted recd was put in tent
with him. What outfit he had had before any danger of infection
was packed and put away. The Surgeon went ashore to stay in camp
while ship was away to look out for him and also to look out for danger
of contagion
05/10/1915 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2019/IMG_6892_1.jpg)
- Officers from camp reported aboard. Surgeon reported that Olsen
had commenced scaling. Details were worked out for bringing him
aboard and maintaining quarantine.
06/10/1915 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2019/IMG_6893_1.jpg)
- The brig-room forward of crews toilets port side was connected with
forward port toilet by means of a canvas passageway. This passage
way was made as tight as possible with white bead and paste, the toilet
was caulked and pasted up so as to make the brig, toilet &
passageway an air tight compartment. Olsen was put in this
compartment. The instruction of the Surgeon is to maintain this
strict quarantine until ship is cleared in Seattle. The
compartment is equipped with a window in the canvas. Window has a
flap on inside and outside. outside flap is locked - one key to
lock is held by CO other is held by Surgeon. The canvas can be
knocked down very quickly in case of necessity such as abandon
ship. The hut in which Olsen was isolated ashore together with all
his bedding, cot, etc were burned. The source of infection was
suspected to be magazines which had come from Unga. While the
surgeon was ashore, all these were burned by his orders.
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Scarlet Fever was much feared and when I was a child had a
compulsory stay of 3 weeks in an isolation hospital. Parents might speak
to child patients through the (closed) window for an hour on Wednesdays
and Sundays (standing out in the open whatever the weather). When the
child had been taken away in a special ambulance the house was 'stoved',
which since I was in hospital I did not witness, but which was
something like the procedure for sterilising a greenhouse. Our
clothes and any suitable toys we had in hospital were stoved before we
left for home.
A big problem with Scarlet Fever was its propensity to cause kidney and heart problems after the acute infection.
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asterix135 passes the 30,000 mark!
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Hello there AvastMH, glad to see you have time to do a bit of transcribing again! ;D
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Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeha! It's good to be back! ;)
Well done Asterix - fab job! Amazing! ;D ;D
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I just googled some images of Little Koniuji island (where the
Patterson was recently in my transcription) and the second image that
popped up was a base station used for hydrographic operations
Probably
a little more sophisticated than what the Patterson was building out of
scrounged driftwood in 1915, but interesting (to me) nonetheless:
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3653/3666328474_6aeba359d1_o.jpg)
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8)
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On July 19, 1911, two triangulation points are mentioned.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%203/IMG_5119_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%203/IMG_5119_1.jpg
I found both in the NGS database:
Triangulation station Patton: http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/ds_mark.prl?PidBox=UW0293
Triangulation station Thin: http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/ds_mark.prl?PidBox=UW0368
Both are noted as monumented by WEP (W. E. Parker, commanding officer of the Patterson) in 1911.
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:)
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How'd you even find that?
That database might be very
helpful as there are a number of triangulation points in the log that
(for me) fell into the "guess aggresively" category
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Maybe vaguely kinda off topic in a way, but possible interesting to anyone working on the Patterson:
This
woman has a blog with lots of photos with a couple of entries of her
helping to install GPS markets in the Shumagin Islands where the
Patterson has spent a bunch of its time doing the early 1900s
equivalent.
I'm guessing from the photos, that life and scenery
wouldn't have been all that different for the Patterson crew (except of
course that they had no women doing any of this)
- Nagai
Island
(http://allymarzulla.blogspot.ca/2008/05/kittiwake-and-nagai-island-shumagin.html)
Nagai Island is in the Patterson's logs a lot
- Sand
Point
(http://allymarzulla.blogspot.ca/2008/05/sand-point-shumagin-islands.html)
another favorite spot for the Patterson to visit
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For May 4 and May 5 1915, the weather reports have been switched
(i.e. May 5th's entries on the page dated May 4th & vice versa).
There is a note in the log for each day indicating that this is the case.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2021/IMG_7133_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2021/IMG_7134_0.jpg
SO
I'm
guessing I should date the log book pages with the date of the weather
entries and not the date indicated at the top of the log page?
The
ship is in the same location both days and there is nothing
particularly important or interesting on the comments page (they're in
Port Discovery getting fumigated), so it probably won't matter for those
entries, and is probably more important to have the correct date
associated with the weather entries.
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That seems reasonable to me.
Perhaps you could transcribe the notes about the dates in the log as events?
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That seems reasonable to me.
Perhaps you could transcribe the notes about the dates in the log as events?
brilliant - done
I enclosed both the recorded date and the note about the actual date in the box where I recorded the date as well
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Perfect. :)
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GOOD MORNING EVERYONE!!!
May 30, 1915 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2021/IMG_7163_1.jpg)
2:04 (am) Barge loaded with dynamite moored about 2000 ft from ship blows up. Windows in wheel house shattered
Details
on the explosion - apparently a German plot related to WWI:
http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&file_id=1503
and
http://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2013/02/chs-retake-may-30-1915-a-booming-day-in-volunteer-park/
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More details:
(http://www.historylink.org/db_images/req096c.JPG)(http://www.historylink.org/db_images/req096a.JPG)
(http://www.historylink.org/db_images/req096b.JPG)(http://www.historylink.org/db_images/req096d.JPG)
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Fascinating!
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Now THAT is an effective wake-up call! Nasty fishees, to let themselves be suborned by the enemy.
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June 24, 1915 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2021/IMG_7192_0.jpg)
At
3 pm the "Ther Attached" reading changes from Fahrenheit to
Celsius. No mention is made of a change of instrumentation, though
the change of scale is noted. Celsius continues from this point
forward
(cross-posted to the "Barometers, Instrumentation and Specifications by Ship - Phase 3" thread)
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June 27, 1915 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2021/IMG_7197_0.jpg)
The
page indicates that the weather reports listed are for June 26th.
The entries more or less match the entries on the previous log page,
with a couple of small differences. (there is no indication on the 26th
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2021/IMG_7198_0.jpg)
that incorrect data was entered on that date)
I'm transcribing the log for 27th as follows: date recorded 2x - once as 27/06/1915, once as 26/06/1915
All
weather data listed on the 27th log entry transcribed. As I said,
there are a couple of minor differences (8 pm for example), and will
therefore leave it to smarter people than myself to figure out how to
deal with this confusion.
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Sounds good to me.
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The log keeper seems confused
Anchored with 40 fms chain on starboard anchor. Where?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2023/IMG_7334_1.jpg
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Perhaps a later reader added that comment :-\
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Perhaps a later reader added that comment :-\
Well, given the different writing instruments - pretty clearly yes. Still it's a funny.
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Zovacor passes the 500 mark!
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Oh, hey. Look at that. Thanks. If I could only finish this logbook
I'm working on. It looked like only a few pages left, but every time I
flip the page, theres more there...
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Oh,
hey. Look at that. Thanks. If I could only finish this logbook I'm
working on. It looked like only a few pages left, but every time I flip
the page, theres more there...
If you want to know more about each of the logbooks (like when they end). I created a handy cheat sheet
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg72433#msg72433
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Zovacor passes the 1000 mark!
;D
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Wooohoooo! Go Zovacor!
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It must have been quite the Fourth of July party in Wrangell Alaska in 1916. Because the next day we get:
Wm.
J. Clary, Sea, discharged at own request
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2024/IMG_7435_0.jpg)
And more tellingly:
Saarela, M at A returned at noon unfit for duty.
Nichols, Smith Anderson, Sea, unfit for duty
Sea Wilson returned at noon, 5 hours overdue
7:00 pm Anderson & Smith, sea, left ship without permission in shore boat
During
night, Wilson & Eastwood, sea, left in shore boat with evident
intention to desert
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2024/IMG_7435_1.jpg)
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That tells a story, doesn't it? I'm amazed at the speed of
turnover of crews on these US ships, compared to the RN ones.
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All non-officers are civilian on Survey vessels. And past a
certain point (not sure when) so were all the officers. They
started out with navy officers, but ran into problems when surveying
some foreign harbors - the navy personnel were treated as spies
unwelcome to conduct the survey.
I think the consequences of
breaking a payment contract are considerably less than breaking a sworn
oath to the military. It still makes me wonder how they kept
functioning. Are there that many sailors hanging around every
harbor to be hired as replacements?
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Yes, I thought it was probably something to do with the
civilian/military distinction. But I've also wondered how they
always seem to be able to pick up someone new - perhaps there's just a
constantly revolving pool of men, signing on one ship, leaving it if
they get fed up or they dock in what looks like a nice place; and then
signing on again when they run out of money or discover it's not as good
as it looked?
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They do seem to be able to pick up men pretty readily, and don't
seem averse to firing them after one drunken escapade (at least that's
all that's recorded - they could have been miserable jerks and
drunkenness was just an excuse).
And the 4th of July hangovers continue:
Following
men did not turn to this day: - Nichols Smith Anderson, Jensen, Nelson,
PM, Pecor, PM
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2024/IMG_7436_0.jpg)
Eastwood & Wilson, Sea, absent without leave
Smith, Sea, returned at noon unfit for duty
Anderson, sea, returned at noon unfit for duty
Jensen, sea, unfit for duty
1:30, Nelson, Jensen, Anderson, sea, jumped ship taking dingey without leave
Nichols, sea, unfit for duty
P.M. Pecor, Sea, refused duty on being refused discharge
10:00 pm Anderson, sea, returned
Mid:
Jensen, Nelson, Eastwood, sea, returned drunk and disorderly.
Sent ashore
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2024/IMG_7436_1.jpg)
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Well, maybe they always don't have an easy time finding replacement crew.
After
that couple of days of insurrection, in which 2 crew members deserted, 3
were fired for drunkenness and one for insubordination, the Patterson
went to Ketchikan and was unable to find any replacement sailors
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2024/IMG_7440_1.jpg
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Actually, I remember that happening on Pioneer too - although I
don't think they'd lost crew in quite such dramatic circumstances as on
Patterson. But there was certainly a log entry about going out
looking for men and drawing a blank.
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The log from 1885 is done! (I assume I'm pulling up the rear of the 3 transcriptions). On to 1/1/11 (has a good ring to it).
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;D
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Happy New Year!
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The log from 1885 is done! (I assume I'm pulling up the rear of the 3 transcriptions). On to 1/1/11 (has a good ring to it).
Actually you are ahead of me Zovacor ;) :D
I'm just doing 5th Jan 1885! ( 8))
Best,
Joan
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Great job crew!
Though if Joan keeps slacking off we'll have to call her up before the mast.....
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So where did the Patterson go between 1885 and 1911?
Navalhistory.net doesn't say either. Are those logs still being scanned?
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From http://www.history.noaa.gov/stories_tales/patterson.html and
http://www.naval-history.net/OWShips-USCSurveyShipsList.htm#Pat it
sounds like Alaska, West Coast, and Hawaiian islands :-\
They may simply be out of order :-\ :-\
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For the longer voyages, the scanner operators were also, as the NARA
side of the job, identifying books that had deteriorated and needed
preserving. These were pulled out and sent to the NARA
preservation department, and the scanners then went on scanning whatever
came after that. The now-preserved books were reinserted whenever
the lab sent them back.
The bad news is, this disruption to
proper order happens. The good news is, we will never get scans
that are so faded we can't read them in the interface. :)
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It doesn't look like working at the canneries in Alaska was all that safe a job:
17 Aug 1916 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2024/IMG_7478_1.jpg)
1:00
PM Cannery Tender "Mary Malony" came alongside for medical assistance, 5
fisherman: Peter Johnson, Henry Brown, Thomas Jackson, Charles Mendell,
John Jackson (Natives of Wrangell) having been asphyxiated by gasoline
fumes. Officers & crew of this vessel promptly rendered all
aid possible; usual resuscitation methods under direction of Surgeon
Marchand.
1:45 Comdg Officer detailed Surgeon, Ch Eng and
11 men to proceed to Wrangell on Mary Malony continuing resuscitation
efforts enroute. Warelessed Hospital at Wrangell to be ready to
receive stricken men. Ship proceeded up coast picking up Mr. Reese &
party & Mr. Senior. Sent #241 to notify other field parties
to proceed to Lake Bay & await arrival of ship there. Ship
continued on usual courses to Wrangell, arriving there at 5:40 pm.
Surgeon reported aboard with relief party. Two of stricken men
(Charles Mendell, John Jackson) had been revived, other three
dead. Ship remained until after Inquest
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Grim
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August 22, 1916 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2024/IMG_7483_0.jpg)
The
surface water temperature changes from Celsius to Fahrenheit on this
date. It looks like the thermometer must have been broken for the 4
am reading, as that entry is missing. There is no mention in the
logbook of a change in instrumentation. Other readings remain in
Celsius.
(cross-posted to the "Barometers, Instrumentation and Specifications by Ship - Phase 3" thread)
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Things are getting violent:
9 Sept 1916 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2024/IMG_7501_1.jpg)
Knocked crew off early in afternoon
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;D
Knocked totally off the ship, you think? Like bowling pins?
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Just lucky they weren't bumped off ;D
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Zovacor passes the 1500 mark!
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Just to clarify that I'm doing this right...
On this page: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7557_0.jpg
at
the point where the Patterson sets sail, the log keeper suddenly starts
recording a Fahrenheit temperature in the column where they've been
recording wet bulb temperature (in Celsius) for quite a while. And
from previous and future log pages, I know that the Fahrenheit reading
is used for surface water temperature. (You'll also notice that
the 4 am and 8 am readings are done as per normal - not like the records
for the rest of this day)
So, I'm recording the Fahrenheit number in the surface column, and not the wet bulb column as TWYS would have me do.
ETA
Actually,
I'm now officially confused about what to do - which maybe means I
should revert to TWYS and let smarter people figure it out??
The
next page:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7558_0.jpg
has entries from 1-7 am with a celsius reading in that column.
From 5-7 they also specify a Fahrenheit reading specifically labeled
surface temp.
Then from 8am - 8 pm that 2nd column is in Fahrenheit, and from 9pm - mid it's back to Celsius.
SO..
Does
anyone know if it's easy to swap thermometers around in the devices
they use for measuring these things, or is it more likely to be a case
of column confusion by the logkeeper?
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That whole thing is so confusing, I'd stick with strict TWYS and ask
the mods (me!) to tell Philip that the log keeper made a mess out of
things that his analysts will have to figure out. :-\
Consider the notice to Philip as done.
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Page recorded as normal while working in Alaska: (1st col in F
for surface temp, 2nd col in C for dry bulb, 3rd col in C for wet bulb)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7556_0.jpg
Pages under sail where they confuse what goes in what column
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7557_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7558_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7562_0.jpg
Pages under sail where they go back to the way they've been doing things the usual way:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7559_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7560_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7561_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7563_0.jpg
Pages in Seattle with confused recording
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7564_0.jpg
Note:
as I go through these things, it's pretty clear that the F reading is
always surface temp, they just have drunken logkeepers or something.
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(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_1822.gif)
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Also noted in Barometers, Instrumentation and Specifications by Ship - Phase 3 for reference by the PTB.
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3456.msg81344#msg81344
This is all way above mere transcribers pay grade. (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-gen081.gif)
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Dec 9, 1916 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7603_0.jpg)
Water temperature thermometer broken at 8 pm
(cross-posted to the "Barometers, Instrumentation and Specifications by Ship - Phase 3" thread)
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December 23, 1916 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7619_1.jpg)
Decorating ship for Christmas Day
First time I've seen something like this in the logs - usually they just mark that the day was observed
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I think someone plus the log keeper must have been feeling homesick
that day. They got the ship looking festive, and the log keeper
appreciated the effort a lot.
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Jamestown 1866 didn't even mention Christmas.
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Neither did Jamestown 1879. It must run in the family.
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Same with Jamestown, 1845!
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Pioneer, 1923 didn't either. I think the Patterson is probably the exception!
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2 months before the US enters WWI
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2026/IMG_7673_1.jpg)
and the war drums are sounding at port in Seattle:
8:30
PM Boatswain put a padlock on gates behind which the Patterson is
lying, quartermaster on watch retaining key, quartermaster given orders
to allow no one outside of compliment aboard. Orders issued by
Comd'g Officer that permission to come aboard be refused to E.
Padliugus, Sea; V. Thiel, Sea, O Jantsch, Sea, E Maassen, 2nd Asst Eng.
and L. Wittenburg, 3rd Asst Eng because of their being German subjects.
Thiel
and Padligus were discharged and paid off the following day
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2026/IMG_7674_0.jpg)
as their service was "no longer required"
Maasen, Jantsch,
Wittenburg and Luis Larsen were allowed back on board the next day
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2026/IMG_7674_1.jpg)
as they all obtained their "intention papers" (which seems to be a
first step in obtaining US citizenship)
And for good measure, the entire crew took an oath of Allegiance, with the Captain keeping copies
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Continuing the war drums
On Feb 13 1917
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2026/IMG_7682_1.jpg),
the USC&GS Superintendent had Maarsen, Wittenburg and Jantsch
discharged anyways.
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Interesting.
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German immigrants and their children made a very large minority in
this country, most of them came here either before there was a German
nation or to get away from the new German nation. But they came
from from a millennia of thinking of themselves as ethnically German but
glad to be American now. The 2 world wars had the large majority
of them anglicizing their names and applying quickly for citizenship
precisely to avoid these problems. Judging their loyalty became
very confusing.
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AvastMH
Welcome back !
:-*
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I just realized how depressing Seattle weather must be in the winter
when a "b" showed up in the weather code column and I could not for the
life of me figure out what that was - I don't think I'd seen one in the
last 3 months of transcriptions.
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My mother lived in Seattle for a few years, and I visited
there. Two things amazed me - the forecasters actually were
accurate, they really knew what was going to happen the next day - the
confusing aspect of lake effect weather had never been clearer, and
there were NO land elements messing with oncoming weather. The
other thing was, there was rain something like 6 days a week.
Gentle rain, not stormy, but it just never went away.
It gives you a temperate rain forest to visit. ;)
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What saves us here in Seattle winter are what we call 'sun breaks'
-- which we're having one today and the Mountain (Mt. Rainier) is OUT.
And then it is sunny and 70 F from July to October...
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I know, my Mom started out working for the Makah tribe for a year,
and they were so sorry my vacation time had missed their only heat wave,
they had gotten up over 80 F. Since the Chicago I had just left
was sweltering between 90 and 105 that week, I assured them their
sweater weather in the 60s was a welcome treat. :)
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Zovacor passes the 2000 mark!
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Lil' accident out there in Inian Cove, Alaska:
May 25, 1917 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2027/IMG_7795_1.jpg)
Commenced
operations for unshipping rudder. Difficulty experienced as stock
jammed in well. Finally cut away deck at forward end of well,
sufficiently to clear. Unshipped rudder & landed on
deck. Rudder found to be split where it joins rudder post.
Upper gudgeon strap broken off, middle pintle sprung out of line, middle
gudgeon cracked, lower pintle broken off, broken part remaining in
lower gudgeon. Heel of rudder crumpled by force of blow. As
near as could be ascertained by fact with long pipe, heel piece seems
broker rough. Temporary repairs begun. Cleared up decks for
day.
There's no report of any blow the previous day, so I'm guessing the blow came from unshipping the rudder?
The Patterson wound up being towed to Juneau for repairs
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:o
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I don't know if the repair bill for this little accident used up all
the ship's cash reserves or what, but on June 2, 1917
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2027/IMG_7803_0.jpg),
17 men are listed as "refused to turn to until paid off," and 9 of those men are listed as "requested discharge"
Or more specifically (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2027/IMG_7803_1.jpg),
The
entire crew, with the exception of the Bos'n, Ch Wr, Ch RO, Engineers
and Mess Department, refused duty until they were paid off at 11:00 am
for the month of May
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A good old-fashioned sit-down strike. Very possible when you
fail to pay civilian sailors. It's called breach of contract, on
the part of the ship's management. 8)
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There may be something more going on than lack of cash on
hand. This is the same captain who had a bunch of crew members
walk the summer of 1916
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg80676#msg80676),
and he's now got a bunch walking or trying to walk in 1917.
This
quote from the log on June 4th, 1917
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2027/IMG_7807_1.jpg)
gives the implication this is not the nicest ship to be working
on. Or maybe that the crew were a bunch of surly jerks - hard to
say:
Taylor,
fireman called aft, complained that he had not had a square deal, said
objected to being reprimanded for mistakes, claimed was "called down"
for things he hadn't done. Said he would work untill ship went out
but that he wouldn't go to sea with her. After mast he told chief
Engineer that he refused to work and denied having said that he would
turn to, and that he would "stick with the rest"
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On to the third logbook (July 1, 1911 to Sept. 30, 1911).
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On to the third logbook (July 1, 1911 to Sept. 30, 1911).
:)
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:o
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Ouch!
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sixtyq5
Welcome to the top 12 !
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Zovacor passes the 2500 mark!
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Somebody in the Liberty Loan
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3rd_Liberty_Loan_Act) marketing department
is a genius - set off a bunch of bombs at 5:05 am during wartime,
seemingly without prior warning in order to announce the start of the
program
(from the Patterson's log, April 6, 1918
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2031/IMG_7703_1.jpg))
5:05
AM Considerable disturbance caused by series of explosions a mile or so
distant. Learned from naval intelligence by phone that
disturbance caused by bombs announcing beginning of Liberty Loan
drive. Commanding officer and officer of deck investigated
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Stupid is always around someplace - what happened to using simple fireworks?
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May 16, 1918 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2031/IMG_7776_1.jpg)
Patterson & Explorer were this day officially transferred to the Navy by signing of Executive Order
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War.
It gives the Navy total control of resources, and also of not sending civilians into bad places.
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And on May 23, 1918
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2031/IMG_7847_1.jpg),
the Patterson gets her final USC&GS entry:
From this day (inclusive) the Patterson and Explorer are under the U.S. Navy
John W. Maupin
(don't worry though - the log books continue back in time)
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I just finished the first log book for the Patterson, which ends Feb 5 1885 or so.
The next log book that comes up for the ship is from Jan 1, 1911 - Mar 31, 1911.
Is that a normal jump or does it matter if the log books are not in order chronologically?
It's taken me just over a year longer to get to this surprise jump! ;D :o 8)
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Zovacor passes the 3000 mark!
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AvastMH- Prepare to be boarded!
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Aaarrgghhh!! Shiver me timbers! Avast me hearties! - Zovacor's
coming alongside broadsides with her ports open eh? Cutlasses to the
ready and prepare for boarding? No - we're carrying a precious load of
guano - scuttle the ship! ;D ;D ;D
That's great news
Zovacor!! It's been fun having new OW enthusiasts giving some of
the older sea-dogs a good waking-up! ;D ;D ;D
(when are you going to catch Asterix.....hehehe!)
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Not exactly new (5298 OW classifications according to Zooniverse), just quiet in the forums.
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Whatever works. :)
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;D
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3921:3129? Better get my skates on!! :-[
Which world time zone are you in Zovacor? (Don't answer if you'd rather stay anonymous etc etc)
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asterix135 passes the 40,000 mark!
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What a Captain! Go Asterix Go!! ;D ;D 8)
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AvastMH passes the 4000 mark!
;D
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Awww - geeee - thanks for noticing Admiral Randi ;) ;) 8)
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Zovacor passes the 4000 mark!
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Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohooo!
Go Zovacor! Go Patterson!
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Zovacor passes the AvastMH mark!
Well done! :D :D :D
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Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohooo!
Go AvastMH! Go Zovacor! Go Patterson!
;D
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and if anyone has a loud haler big enough to get to Asterix... :o ;D ;D ;D
Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo asterixxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx!
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There's something sort of mesmerizing staring at the X's scroll across the screen. Asterix, have you hit the final log yet?
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I'm on the Patterson at the end of Foulsom St Wharf in San Fran, Feb
1911. They just bought some window furnishings...then a day or two
later they send back the door and 'port' curtains....wrong colour, wrong
tassles, wrong finish on the fabric?? ;D ;D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%202/IMG_5030_1.jpg
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I just entered the weather from 2 Dec 1897 for USS Concord, and she
noted in the Miscellaneous Events that CSS Patterson came in and
anchored in the channel at 4 PM. (Mare Island Navy Yard.) I'm wondering
if the Patterson recorded weather for that day or and successive days to
Mare Island. It would be interesting to compare the readings!
Concord Weather 02 Dec 1897 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol023of040/vol023of040_010_0.jpg)
Michael
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Well, I can't find anyone who commented on anything in 1897 on the
Patterson yet, but there surely should be one sooner or later. Her
history says she never took any time off.
http://www.naval-history.net/OW-US/Patterson/USCGSS_Patterson.htm
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AvastMH
Welcome back (again) !
;D
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Cheers m'dear! ;D ;D ;D
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Fort Ross's wandering WHISTLING buoy seen...
http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=SFC19090214.2.209#
It's a funny newspaper article :o ;D
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
....Lighthouse Board Has Hopes Again of Recapturing Fort Ross Buoy
Automatic Whistler Escaped Last November and Has Scared Many Mariners
The
lighthouse department is becoming seriously concerned over, the actions
of a whistling buoy which escaped from Fort Ross last November and has
been wandering about the Pacific ever since, whistling persistently and
scaring mariners and seaguls with its appearance in unexpected places.
The last vessel to encounter the wandering whistler was the steamer
Queen, which left here Friday for San Diego. The Queen sent back word of
the encounter by wireless, and a lighthouse tender has been dispatched
to find and arrest the elusive fugitive....
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That must be embarassing - and definitely funny. :)
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Wonderful! The author of that article certainly had a sense of humor.
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Beautifully and very vividly written. And the other stuff further down the article is interesting too.
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Buoys will be buoys ;D
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:P :P :P
;D
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Zovacor
Welcome back !
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Hiya Zovacor - I thought I spotted your return the other day...welcome back!
Joan
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A tidbit for whomever does the history on the Patterson:
The launches seem to take a real belting - being small and out much of the day on sounding duty: They get sent to:
http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=SFC19130326.2.136#
John Twigg's - he clearly prefers playing with smaller boats
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8)
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It sounds like they found the best boat builder in the area to keep theirs seaworthy. :)
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Good work, Joan!
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back in harness! ;D ;D ;D
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I've come to the Pattersonr until the OW problem with sending me to
the wrong pages on the Concord is fixed. I am on board for March 08,
1911. It seems that the air temperatures are in degrees C! The max
temperature observed was 14C and the minimum was 10.5. (In Fahrenheit
that's 57/51). I looked up the historic temperatures for San Francisco
for that date, and there were two stations reporting max/min
temperatures for that day:
- Berkely - 57/47; and,
- Oakland - 61/48
Considering
that the daily max temperature is always as high or higher than the
highest hourly reading, and the daily min temperature is always as low
or lower than the lowest hourly reading, I think this is really neat.
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There still seem to be database issues. Just started on Patterson,
and it looks like I have to go backwards to become a Lieutenant...
Cadet MAPurves
36 weather reports on 5 pages contributed to this voyage. -6 weather reports more for promotion to Lieutenant
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I think that is an existing problem. :'(
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MAPurves
Welcome to the top 12 !
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tastiger
Welcome to the top 12 !
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The first six reports (12 hours) of Patterson's weather for 25 July
1911 have the wind speed and dry bulb temperatures with identical
values. I suspect that the person copied the wrong column when filling
out the weather page. Usually some of the temperatures have a decimal
point alone, or .0 or .5. None of these first six do.
A note for the science team.
15 July 1911 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%203/IMG_5125_0.jpg)
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Here is the weather for noon, Alaska time, 26 August 1911 from the Patterson:
Wind: SE 1 (Beaufort)
Sky: Overcast
Temperature: 11.0C 52F
Pressure: 29.97
Here is the weather for noon, Alaska Standard Time, 26 August 2014 from the U.S. National Weather Service - 103 years later.
Wind: S 10 mph (Beaufort 3)
Sky: Overcast
Temperature: 58F 14.5C
Pressure: 29.95
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Incontrovertible evidence that the earth is warming ;D
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It's pretty obvious to me, too. Those numbers should stump the
climate deniers for sure. Can't argue with arithmetic. ;D
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MAPurves passes the 500 mark!
MAPurves passes the 750 mark!
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MAPurves passes the 1000 mark!
MAPurves passes the 1500 mark!
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In Seattle, 30 April 1911, the weather observer is reporting H for haze, when he should be using m. h is for Hail.
Beaufort Coding Rules (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%204/IMG_5200_0.jpg)
Weather Log 30 April 1911 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%204/IMG_5230_0.jpg)
Remarks 30 April 1911 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%204/IMG_5230_1.jpg)
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Once you get this ship transcribed - errors and stupidities included
- you might ask if you want to be the editor that can fix all
this. :)
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From http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3458.msg56129#msg56129:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%202%20-%20July-October,%201922/IMG_7869_0.jpg
(Pioneer is also a Coast and Geodetic Survey Ship)
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Once
you get this ship transcribed - errors and stupidities included - you
might ask if you want to be the editor that can fix all this. :)
Who
knows how crazy I might be after all this! In any case, I'm just
waiting until "they" fix the problem with me and the Concord so I will
be sent to the correct pages when I try to transcribe her. I'm still
being sent back to July 4, not August 2. In the meantime, I'm going to
jump back on Patterson and sail from Seattle to Vancouver. If I could go
back in time, I could run down to the harbour here and see her sailing
by.
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The Patterson comes into Vancouver on May 5, 1991, and anchors just
of the old CPR docks. Interestingly, she is anchored only a few feet
from the old Vancouver PMO weather observing site. For 06 May 1911,
Vancouver PMO reported:
Max: 12.2 C
Min: 4.4 C
Pcp: 1.0 mm
Patterson's highest temperature reported was 10.5C at 2 and again at 4 PM.
The lowest temperature she reported was 6.5C at 2, 4 and 6 A.M.
She also reported rain at 6 and 8 A.M.
I
don't have any hourly weather reports from Vancouver PMO for that time
(Environment Canada's hourly reports aren't digitized prior to about
1953).
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MAPurves passes the 2000 mark!
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From the Patterson's log for June 14, 1911
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%204/IMG_5275_0.jpg)
this depressing note:
A. Kaln~~d, Seaman attempted to commit
suicide by jumping overboard but was prevented from doing so by
Boatswain Ramberg and Assistant Janish.
Anyone who can read the
name of the unfortunate seaman is welcome. I tried mightily, but can't
decipher the last part of the name, except for the final 'd'.
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I think it's A. Kalnow. No d.
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From June 15, 1911 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%204/IMG_5276_0.jpg)
About
6:00 pm. Sea A. Kalvin made a second attempt to commit suicide by
jumping overboard, through a port; was therefore put in irons.
The name was more clear this time...
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Actually, I still think it's Kalnow. There's no dot for an i.
Plus, the first entry looks nothing like Kalvin.
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You're right, Hanibal... I'll change it.
M
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MAPurves passes the 2500 mark!
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Now that the database for the Concord is fixed, I'm jumping ship in
Seattle and re-enlisting on the USS Concord. Gotta finish bringing
peace, order and good government to the Philippines. There is a blue
police call box on the dock and some guy promises me I can go from Oct
1911 in Seattle back to Manila in August 1898. We'll see...
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:D
(http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww173/prestonjjrtr/Smileys/Doctor%20Who/TardisRevolving.gif)
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Stop!!! You're making me dizzy. Either that or it's the 81F with a humidity of 91%.
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I thought you were in Canada - what are you doing so muggy this late in September?
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It's just like old home week coming from the Pioneer because the log
format is the same. However, I began to get autocompletion conflicts
with the 1911 dates in Firefox. Fortunately I was able to delete all my
autocomplete form history so that it will now only display form data
history for ongoing entries. I find this handy because if I see that the
date I am typing has already been entered I know there is a mistake -
not that this ever happens to me. ;D Of course, I lost
my place name history too but it was getting pretty cluttered.
Wouldn't
you know it, though. I was hoping to get some time in the north after
all these years surveying between Washington and California but the
Patterson is now heading back to Seattle from Unalaska (for the winter I
suppose). Sigh ... :(
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Wait til they get there Craig- the demon drink awaits and it all kicks off! :o ;D
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I know, Joan, I have a bottle beside me ;D
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Careful, now, Craig. Don't go getting too involved with the story ;D ;D ;D
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Put me in a long boat and wet me all over! I promise not to touch a drop, Joan - ;D
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This is just to let you know that I have gone back to the Jamestown
1879 in order to avoid causing leapfrogging on this ship.
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Put me in a long boat and wet me all over! I promise not to touch a drop, Joan - ;D
Ah
Craig - my dad was in the navy so I know where the scuppers and the
hose pipe are in case the worst happens. I'll even sing you the song...
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Hanibal94
Welcome to the top 12 !
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gastcra (Craig)
Welcome to the top 12 !
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Hanibal94 passes the 250, 500, and 750 marks!
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gastcra (Craig) passes the 250 mark!
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There's nothing like seeing the new crew hard at it... ;) ;D
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Thanks Joan - this ship is not an easy one because of the weird format!
I
may be one of our most experienced veterans, and I did do over 12 years
of this same format on the Pioneer, but that doesn't make it any
easier.
And the fact that "Thermometer - Water" sometimes means Wet
and sometimes means Water is really annoying - I think I got it wrong
for around Apr 1st - 17th, 1912, where it was supposed to be Water but I
entered it as Wet :-[
So yeah, great to know that someone at least appreciates my work.
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Yeh - it is a mess! ::) ;) :D
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Thanks Joan - this ship is not an easy one because of the weird format!
I
may be one of our most experienced veterans, and I did do over 12 years
of this same format on the Pioneer, but that doesn't make it any
easier.
And the fact that "Thermometer - Water" sometimes means Wet
and sometimes means Water is really annoying - I think I got it wrong
for around Apr 1st - 17th, 1912, where it was supposed to be Water but I
entered it as Wet :-[
So yeah, great to know that someone at least appreciates my work.
Actually...thinking about it - I don't recall the air/water problem. Have I missed something?
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Check this post, and the ones just before it, for details:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg64692#msg64692
I
am currently (May 1912) transcribing the entries as Dry and Water, and I
will continue to do this unless the log says otherwise.
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Phew-I haven't done 1912! Gosh I was in a panic about that. :o
I'm
still in 1911 with the weather page being used to note two car fares at
20 and 15 cents respectively and 10 cents for a wash (?!?). I guess,
when you're in port, such things fill up a boring day.
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Hanibal94 passes the 1000, 2000 and 2500 marks!
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Zovacor passes the 5000 mark!
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AvastMH passes the 5000 mark!
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Thanks Randi.
It's very nice of you to patt-ers-on the back for the work. ;D
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:P :P
;D
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Perhaps a race is on Avast. Perhaps I just wanted to get to 5,000. Who knows...
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Just don't try racing against me. You will not win that.
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Yeh - I keep feeling 'various' winds, Force 7-ish, which is you two
(Zovacor and Hanibal94) whistling past me! :o
Pickling
onions and making chutney and preparing chestnuts today....so you'll be
able to sail up the listings with no trouble at all! 8);D
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Hanibal94 passes the 3000, 4000 and 5000 marks!
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;D ;D ;D
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That's a force 12 wind ;D Batten down the hatches.
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Hanibal94 passes the 3000, 4000 and 5000 marks!
Hanibal94 passes the 6000 mark!
...frankly this one's off the Beaufort scale. I'm lashed to the mast for safety! ;) ;D
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;D
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Maybe I should slow down a little before I get into trouble...
(https://derpicdn.net/img/view/2012/10/12/120620__safe_rainbow+dash_photo_human_pony_flying_spread+wings_ponies+in+real+life_frown_gritted+teeth.jpg)
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;D ;D ;D
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Something the science team should know: During the Patterson's Jan -
Mar 1913 stay in Hawaii, the log keepers kept writing Molokai Island as
Moloki.
For example: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2011/IMG_6062_0.jpg
I transcribed it as Moloki, because that's the way it was written.
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Anyone spot this one? In the blink of an eye ;D
Hanibal94 passes the 7000 mark!
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(http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/080/3/f/rainbow_dash_dashing_by_vaporotem-d3c6mfl.gif)
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And I ain't even at top speed!
Mainly due to me transcribing 2305 WR in a single day (new personal record!)
...three
months of weather reports in a single day?! And I thought I was fast
when I occasionally managed to do a week's worth in an evening...
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;D
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Hanibal - how do you do it? Bionic fingers? Must be... 8) ;D
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Nope - just flesh and blood like you.
Much younger flesh and blood, that is.
But if I live long enough, perhaps I will get bionic fingers - Then I can overthrow Silvia and seize the throne for myself!
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I wasn't that fast when I was your age :'(
(I vaguely remember that time ;D)
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Maybe I should slow down a little before I get into trouble...
(https://derpicdn.net/img/view/2012/10/12/120620__safe_rainbow+dash_photo_human_pony_flying_spread+wings_ponies+in+real+life_frown_gritted+teeth.jpg)
:D :D :D
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Nope - just flesh and blood like you.
Much younger flesh and blood, that is.
But if I live long enough, perhaps I will get bionic fingers - Then I can overthrow Silvia and seize the throne for myself!
;D ;D ;D
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Since asterix135 is sadly no longer active, I have decided to take
over and update his list of logs at
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg72433#msg72433.
There's quite a lot: after 1918, we'll have to deal with Feb 6th 1885 to December 31st 1890 - and these logs have 24 WR / day even when in port!
At least they're mostly in order - a bit of 1889 is missing, and the last two books are in the wrong order, but that's it.
Looks like I'll be here for quite some time.
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Hanibal94 passes the 9000 mark!
'What happened to the 8000 mark?' I hear you cry. I blinked and did miss it ;D
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Hanibal94 passes the 10000 mark!
It takes me so long to send this message that I might as well go straight to 11000?! ;D
Sincerely.
Still Lashed To The Mast
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;D
It gets a bit easier now. No more till 15,000 ;)
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Phew - thanks for that - it's exhausting! ;) ;D
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I think I might be slowing down for the next few days, though - just
got distracted by an offer I could not refuse.... a Humble Pony Comic
Bundle!
The
Humble Bundles (previously known as Humble Indie Bundles) are a series
of collections ("bundles") of digital creations that are sold and
distributed online at a price determined by the purchaser. The bundles
are typically offered on a semi-regular basis during a two-week period;
sales often include bonus games or media offered mid-week through the
sale for those that have already purchased the bundle or otherwise pay
more than the average. Early bundles featured independently developed,
multi-platform games (including Microsoft Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux
platforms) provided without digital rights management (DRM). Later
bundles have included those geared towards games from established
developers, games for Android-based devices, bundles promoting game
jams, and in three cases, a bundle consisting of mainstream titles from a
major publisher. Sales of bundles are split between the
developers/creators, the Humble Bundle operators, and one or more
charities including Child's Play, the Electronic Frontier Foundation,
charity: water, and the American Red Cross, with the buyer able to set
the revenue split between these groups.
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Interesting :D
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Hello from Thetis 02 Feb 1889:
(http://kookabura.smugmug.com/photos/i-ZB486Vd/0/O/i-ZB486Vd.jpg)
Sent boarding officer to offer usual civilities to USCS Steamer Patterson.
We do not seem overly excited to see you though. I apologize for that.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol007of024/vol007_192_1.jpg
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;D Hi Kookaburra - nice to see you as we pass by! We
were probably rather humble folk, given the illustrious nature of the
life of the Thetis! At least we were more important than the distilling
donkey boiler. ;)
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I must confess that I really, REALLY hate it when the log keeper
puts water temperatures way on the left of the log book, for example:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2015%20-%20April%201%20-%20June%2030,%201914/IMG_6514_0.jpg
I
just had to correct over 250 entries because I didn't notice the temps
until the very end of the May 1914 Hawaii - Alaska trip. At least they
only do it when at sea.
This is one ship I won't miss when my time on her is done!
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That is a pain. :(
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Jeepers Hanibal - thanks tons for posting this one - I'll keep an
eagle eye out for that. They are a really maverick bunch. Just keep
getting the feeling that the weather log etc is interrupting a good game
of cards on the bridge. ::)
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I wonder if this crew came from one of the British armed trawlers?
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Oh - my lot have what seems to be quite a few Scandinavian names. So
I sort of presumed it to be principally US citizens manning it around
1911. :-\
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Oh
- my lot have what seems to be quite a few Scandinavian names. So I
sort of presumed it to be principally US citizens manning it around
1911. :-\
There
were A LOT of Scandinavian immigrants about that time to North
America. Many were experienced boatmen - maybe not as large at the
USN ships but they knew life as sea as fishermen and boat
builders. A job where they could work in comfortable surroundings
where language was not as critical was probably very appealing. In
later years it was relatively easy to get US citizenship if you were
willing to enlist - may have even been part of the package in those
days.
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Thanks Kookaburra. That confirms my thoughts - the sea-going vikings
taking the stage again in history! interesting about the citizenship
though -hadn't thought about that element of it! :D
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My grandparents were part of the sweep of citizens from Sweden to
Canada, albeit a little bit later, so I have a patriarchal interest in
that bit of history ;)
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Wow! I am in awe of those who upped stumps and travelled across the
world to new languages and perhaps poor infrastructure to start new
lives. Astonishing. :)
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I've just stumbled into this the pages for this query ref: water/wet readings in 1912:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg64692#msg64692
This
is to help me find my way back to Asterix's first-footing through the
crazy maze that is the Patterson log...thanks Asterix.
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And for wind in wrong column:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg64723#msg64723
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...
In
later years it was relatively easy to get US citizenship if you were
willing to enlist - may have even been part of the package in those
days.
Definitely.
https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/United_States_World_War_I_Naturalization_and_Citizenship
"Index to Naturalizations of World War I Soldiers, 1918" (NARA M1952)
Aliens
serving in the U.S. military did not gain citizenship through service
alone. The naturalization of soldiers was performed under certain
provisions of nationality law facilitating the naturalization of members
of the U.S. armed forces. These provisions waived the Declaration of
Intention requirement and waived or reduced the residency requirement.
Thus many soldiers filed petitions and were naturalized the same day.
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That's cool. 8) ;D
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Oh excellent bit of information! That may explain a lot of our crew members :)
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Question: Should the 8th weather reading on this page be transcribed with 8 am as the time, or 7.25 am?
I chose 7.25 am, but I'll go back and change it if necessary.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2016/IMG_6614_0.jpg
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I suspect 7:25 is the time they anchored. The time and anchor symbol
seem to be in a different ink from the weather data. My guess would be
that the weather data was taken at 8:00.
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That makes sense - I changed it to 8 am. Thanks.
I've seen this oddity pop up a few more times, but it's always the same - next to an anchor symbol, and in a different ink.
Therefore, I shall stick to the regular 24 hour schedule.
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Thanks for noting that ;)
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Hanibal94 passes the 15,000 mark!
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I wonder if this crew came from one of the British armed trawlers?
Oh
- my lot have what seems to be quite a few Scandinavian names. So I
sort of presumed it to be principally US citizens manning it around
1911. :-\
Actually,
I was joking - it was a reference to how terrible the crew of RN armed
trawlers were at keeping their log books in order.
They tended to
record very few incomplete readings per day, or none at all, and write
all over the page rather than use the Events section.
I should have stuck an emoticon in to show it was a joke. Sorry.
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Hey - no problem at all Hanibal94! Understood completely :D.
The Patterson crew are clearly expert at being shambolic - perhaps they
were taking trawlermen's record keeping classes on the quiet ;D.
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Hanibal94 passes the 15,000 mark!
:o :o :o :o :o
(pass me the smelling salts now ;))
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Hey
- no problem at all Hanibal94! Understood completely :D. The
Patterson crew are clearly expert at being shambolic - perhaps they were
taking trawlermen's record keeping classes on the quiet ;D.
Oh, OK - I'm not that good at telling the difference between humor/sarcasm and reality, especially in text-only communication.
That's why I tend to use the [ ;) ] emoticon when joking or being ironic, to show I'm not being 100% serious.
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Yep - emoticons are really useful (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_6171.gif)
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Oh dear, start of April the P ends up with a bust a prop on a launch
after doing soundings in less water than the boat needed. On the 4th
the boiler house has come down.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%207/IMG_5551_1.jpg
Seems like All Fool's Day is challenging the whole month.
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FINALLY a percentage increase!! That took forever!
This ship is bigger than I expected when I first started - no way I can finish her by 2015.
But perhaps I can at least finish the 1910's part? There's only 1915, 1916, 1917 and Jan-May 1918 left.
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Aid memoir to self: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg64675#msg64675
put water in 'water' (even if it looks like it should be 'wet')
Check back for the column title swapping often...
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Reference to discussion about corrected log entries.
Affects Feb 1 and 2 1915 (and maybe some later ones??)
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4014.0
I have done what asterix135 did when transcribing these entries:
I
think you're correct about the red entries being correct. If you
look at the barometric pressure readings, the corrected entries seem to
transition more logically to the latter half of the day where the log
entries were not corrected. Otherwise you'd be facing a 0.30 jump
in a couple of hours, which seems less likely than a 0.00 or 0.02
change.
I have deleted the black entries and left the red ones
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Hanibal94 passes the 20,000 mark!
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What can I say? This says it all.... ;D
(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_0143.gif)
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Here's an historical curiosity.
The Navy History site says:
"Prometheus
(AR?3) was originally laid down as a collier 18 October 1907 at the
Mare Island Navy Yard; launched 5 December 1908; and commissioned 15
January 1910 as Ontario (Fleet Collier No. 2)."
http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/p12/prometheus-ii.htm
And yet on May 1st 1912 she is identified as the 'Prometheus' by the Patterson at 1:00 P.M.:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%207/IMG_5579_1.jpg
Odd. :-\
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I have found a few sources that only refer to her as Prometheus:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/25/2503.htm
http://www.shipscribe.com/usnaux/AR/AR03.html
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-p/ar3.htm
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Thanks Hanibal :) I wonder if she was ever called the Ontario
(perhaps the history site I tripped over was wrong)- it seems that she
most likely had 'Prometheus' on her side when the Patterson saw her.
Um...Oh well... :-\
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Well, the DANFS site you quoted almost certainly got the dates wrong
(I've caught a number of embarrassing errors there), but I don't think
they would add in a non-existent name. And they did reuse the name Ontario in 1911 for a fleet tug. http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/o3/ontario-iii.htm
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AvastMH passes the 6000 mark!
Go Joan!!!
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;D ;D ;D
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Keep it up, Joan! I am very pleased to see you have picked up the pace.
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Aye Aye Sir! ( ;D )
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I just ran into this problem spot:
Just to clarify that I'm doing this right...
On this page: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7557_0.jpg
at
the point where the Patterson sets sail, the log keeper suddenly starts
recording a Fahrenheit temperature in the column where they've been
recording wet bulb temperature (in Celsius) for quite a while. And
from previous and future log pages, I know that the Fahrenheit reading
is used for surface water temperature. (You'll also notice that
the 4 am and 8 am readings are done as per normal - not like the records
for the rest of this day)
So, I'm recording the Fahrenheit number in the surface column, and not the wet bulb column as TWYS would have me do.
ETA
Actually,
I'm now officially confused about what to do - which maybe means I
should revert to TWYS and let smarter people figure it out??
The
next page:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7558_0.jpg
has entries from 1-7 am with a celsius reading in that column.
From 5-7 they also specify a Fahrenheit reading specifically labeled
surface temp.
Then from 8am - 8 pm that 2nd column is in Fahrenheit, and from 9pm - mid it's back to Celsius.
SO..
Does
anyone know if it's easy to swap thermometers around in the devices
they use for measuring these things, or is it more likely to be a case
of column confusion by the logkeeper?
Page
recorded as normal while working in Alaska: (1st col in F for
surface temp, 2nd col in C for dry bulb, 3rd col in C for wet bulb)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7556_0.jpg
Pages under sail where they confuse what goes in what column
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7557_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7558_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7562_0.jpg
Pages under sail where they go back to the way they've been doing things the usual way:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7559_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7560_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7561_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7563_0.jpg
Pages in Seattle with confused recording
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7564_0.jpg
Note:
as I go through these things, it's pretty clear that the F reading is
always surface temp, they just have drunken logkeepers or something.
Since the F reading is always surface temp, I will always transcribe it as such no matter which column it's in.
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Important question here: This page says "same bulb dry" in the Water (actually Wet) column for 1 - 12 am, instead of values.
I
interpreted this to mean that the values for Dry and Wet were identical
for these hours, so I transcribed it that way - whatever the Dry column
said, I entered into the Wet box on the entry box as well.
Have I done the right thing?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2028/IMG_7854_0.jpg
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I think yes - also TWYS is OK. This has not happened before,
but it sounds like a sideways ditto and we have no such thing to use as a
shortcut so I'm going back to what we did before Philip had them
program dittos into the possible. When we couldn't use dittos, we
always typed the appropriate number in its place.
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Whew, what a day - I did all of July - Dec 1917 and Apr - May 1918 as well.
It
appears I have now been sent back to Feb 1885. This wouldn't matter if
it weren't for the fact that I now have to deal with a new log format,
one that has 24 WR/day all the time.
And it's gonna be like this all the way to Dec 1890.
I
did some quick calculations, and it appears these logs contain a total
of 49.728 WR - now that will keep me busy for quite a while!
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I thought you were on vacation, Hanibal? :)
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Radical - time travel on the Patterson...what a boat ;) ;D
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I thought you were on vacation, Hanibal? :)
Yeah... I got carried away. It happens.
But
I really do mean to cut back - from now on, I'll just do my daily five
dates on the Concord, and maybe one or two Patterson pages. No more!
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Hanibal94 passes the 30,000 mark!
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It's an exciting life on the Patterson! On 22nd June 1912, the
only event recorded on the weather page (along with the weather) is
'Received some paint from the Seattle Paint Co.'
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%207/IMG_5634_0.jpg
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(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/communicate/boring-smiley-emoticon.gif)
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Well, at least there hasn't yet been an entry 'Hands employed watching paint dry" ;D
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..yet!... ;D ;D ;D
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You should be on the Concord. Went to Hong Kong for a little
R&R. Sent the second liberty party ashore; 13 of the first party
failed to return. H.W.B. Wilson (CP) while drunk fell and cut his scalp,
after his would was dressed he was confined in double irons in the cell
for safekeeping.
Much more entertaining than hoping to see paint dry. Almost as good a soap opera as Downton Abbey.
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I see that they received mess supplies too...
It could get a little too exciting if items received get mixed up :P
Holystoning the deck with bread might not do any harm, but white paint in the coffee would definitely not go over well.
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Naughty suggestion but...if anyone is starting July 1912 - I'm just
doing the startup pages on the log book - if you want to save
watching paint dry, holystoning the bread with white paint over a coffee yourself doing it. ;) :-X
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Helen J
Welcome to the top 12 !
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jil
Welcome to the top 12 !
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Helen J passes the 500 mark!
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tastiger passes the 500 mark!
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Hi all Patterson Crew,
I've been finding triangulation points mentioned in the misc events page. I used our own very fine:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3644.msg63618#msg63618
see:
Triangulation Points:
National
Geodetic Survey (NGS) DATASHEET RETRIEVAL PAGE - Thanks to T-M!
(URL is
http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/datasheet.prl?Type=DATASHEETS )
for
Alaska, subsection 'Ketchikan' or 'Prince Wales - out Ketchikan', then
see the box below marked "'Get Datasheets'(for the stations I've
selected above)" this opens up an astounding wealth of info about the
point (you might need to check the date that you select - some points
have moved slightly over time).
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;D
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Helen J passes the 1000 mark!
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Being a USCGS ship, have you Patterson-eers come across anything
relating to astronomical (survey) stations? I think it was the Patterson
that was going around and putting up survey stations whilst buying up
vast quantities of cloth. The Albatross has been doing some odd things
with survey stations near Monterey, and I can't work out what we're
doing nor why it's not being done by USCGS staff! Link to my confused
ramble (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3966.msg101439#new).
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I haven't read the things yet, but a found an excellent primary
source for answering your questions - the online NOAA library of Coast
Survey Annual Reports to Congress, 1837 to 1965, all in pdf.
http://www.lib.noaa.gov/collections/imgdocmaps/cgs_annual_reports.html
The one from July 1st 1904 to June 30th 1905 is at http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/cgs/004_pdf/CSC-0109.PDF
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Ah, it seems that the USFC and USCGS being merged into the same
entity had some uses - the NOAA has scanned the reports from both!
I
have a suspicion that we're putting up survey stations for underwater
surveying, but quite why we felt like that was required now I'm not
sure. Also not sure why we're stealing the USCGS's original survey
stations!
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The cloth was Pioneer: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4308.msg99748#msg99748
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Being
a USCGS ship, have you Patterson-eers come across anything relating to
astronomical (survey) stations? I think it was the Patterson that was
going around and putting up survey stations whilst buying up vast
quantities of cloth. The Albatross has been doing some odd things with
survey stations near Monterey, and I can't work out what we're doing nor
why it's not being done by USCGS staff! Link to my confused ramble
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3966.msg101439#new).
Hi
Danny 252 - can't recall exactly what date (will look for it now) - but
Patterson log mentions (I think) this somewhere around 12th Jan 1912.
More to follow!
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Helen J passes the 1500 mark!
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Being
a USCGS ship, have you Patterson-eers come across anything relating to
astronomical (survey) stations? I think it was the Patterson that was
going around and putting up survey stations whilst buying up vast
quantities of cloth. The Albatross has been doing some odd things with
survey stations near Monterey, and I can't work out what we're doing nor
why it's not being done by USCGS staff! Link to my confused ramble
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3966.msg101439#new).
Hi
Danny 252 - can't recall exactly what date (will look for it now) - but
Patterson log mentions (I think) this somewhere around 12th Jan 1912.
More to follow!
Totally
frustrated - I KNOW I saw something a few days back - but can't see it
now - Have done mid Dec 1911 to Jan 17th 1912. I'll look again tomorrow.
Sigh! I really should have commented on it - but saw it in passing, not
in transcribing.
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eikwar passes the 1000 mark!
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Who says men can't multi-task? ::) :D
'The Carpenter was engaged replacing metal sheathing around the water line.'
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%209/IMG_5843_1.jpg
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But could he record weather data while replacing the metal sheathing around the water line? ;D
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Helen J passes the 2000 mark!
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But could he record weather data while replacing the metal sheathing around the water line? ;D
Ah
Craig - you may have hit the nail on the head there - perhaps he's only
duo-tasking...hmmmm..have to have a think about that ;) ;D
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Helen J passes the 2000 mark!
Woo! - I better watch out! ;) ;D
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Helen J passes the 2000 mark!
Woo! - I better watch out! ;) ;D
I don't think you have too much to worry about, Joan!
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Slightly baffled by this weather - they record 'continuous rain with
passing showers' - if the rain was continuous, how could they tell
there was a shower? ::)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2010/IMG_5878_1.jpg
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Perhaps they mean periods of more intense rain :-\
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Maybe - but I suppose I always think of showers as light, not intense ....
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True, but think of thundershowers ;)
p - Shower (a relatively short period of precipitation; the type is indicated by additional letters or symbols)
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I see the forces of weather logging madness have been visited upon the Patterson again:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2010/IMG_5873_0.jpg
The (pre-printed) 'Water' column is now pencilled in as 'Wet'. So 'Wet' it is on a TWYS basis.
Unless someone knows better :-\
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And now:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2010/IMG_5886_0.jpg
...they can't even be bothered to put in the decimal point in the barometer readings.
Such free spirits ;) :D
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However,
10 out of 10 for using one of my favourite words: Williwaws, though the
spelling has been 'Pattersoned' to Willawaws or Willawawas
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2010/IMG_5886_1.jpg
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Please could anyone help with me with what a 'Side Observer' might be? Thanks.
'10.25 Sent Side Observer in to observe Low Side.'
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2010/IMG_5886_1.jpg
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I think it's actually Tide Observer, as in "Sent Tide Observer in to
observe Low Tide". The T is just really badly written both times.
Tide Observers have been mentioned on the Pioneer.
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Thanks Hanibal94! Yep - that makes sense...because it mentions tide
observers (in a different hand) further down. Just didn't put the'two
together. ::)
Cheers! :)
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Tide Observers have been mentioned on the Pioneer.
And similarly on the Albatross from time to time.
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Please could anyone help with me with what a 'Side Observer' might be? Thanks.
'10.25 Sent Side Observer in to observe Low Side.'
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2010/IMG_5886_1.jpg
Hm, I just had that page around the time you first posted this. :/
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Slightly
baffled by this weather - they record 'continuous rain with passing
showers' - if the rain was continuous, how could they tell there was a
shower? ::)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2010/IMG_5878_1.jpg
Might
it be continuous rain for half the watch, and then passing showers for
the last half? I suspect he weather doesn't always decide to match
logbook hours neatly!
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tastiger passes the 1000 mark!
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Congratulations, Tastiger! We're making good speed for 50% .... :D
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Congratulations, Tastiger! We're making good speed for 50% .... :D
I
got really bored at work and our standards here are pretty low so for
once had time to do some. :P Might be able to do more once I get my
computer back.
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WATCH OUT FOR Dec 14th 1912 everyone - the weather page is repeated about 3/4 times due to the insert on the following page.
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asterix135 reported all the multiple-scans-of-a-single-page cases back when he was active, all the way up to May 1918.
Here's a link to the Dec 14th 1912 one: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3383.msg67923#msg67923
You can find all the others (i.e. upcoming ones) by looking through the topic.
P.S. You are the third transcriber, Joan, so there's no need to warn other people because no one else will get it now.
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Thanks Hanibal94 - that's very helpful. :)
I'm obviously
sharing the 3rd transcription post with HelenJ and co. I spotted the
multiple page problem just as I was signing off - didn't have time to
transcribe them so thought just to warn others. ;) :D
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I clicked through a lot of duplicated pages yesterday .... Sometimes
there did seem to be rather more than necessary, even to show every
attached invoice - I think someone was being very very thorough.
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I've got to admit that thoughts of those inventory lists from the
Jeannette started to swim through my mind! I'll never forget the list
that went:
3 doz black pencils, a half doz red pencils, a half doz blue pencils, 2 fog horns, one pair of dividers..... ::) ;D
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One for you techno folks: something I didn't know you could use caribou hair for...
Meridian to midnight: At 8:40 received from Kilbourne & Clarks Co.: 1 doz Caribou Brushes for dynamos
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2010/IMG_5972_1.jpg
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Is that maybe "carbon brushes"?
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Ooooooh!!! That makes a LOT more sense ;D ;D ;D Cheers Manxtopeka
Oh
dear - guess who doesn't have much mechanical engineering experience -
though I did once change the head gasket on my car engine - all on my
own! 8) :D
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Hanibal94 passes the 40,000 mark!
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* Piping aboard Captain Hanibal94 *
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Welcome aboard, Captain!
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Thanks Helen! It sure hasn't been easy - I'm gotten to the point
where there's only 24 WR/day, all the time, all the way to the end now.
I've still got June 16th, 1886 - Dec 31st, 1890 to go. This will take me a few months of real time.
And
thanks for joining and contributing, Helen! It was getting rather
lonely here - nice to be on the same ship again like we were on the
Pioneer.
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I say: WELL DONE!!
(http://imageshack.com/a/img901/4731/5SlFas.gif)
It will be a pleasure to serve as your crew!
(I hope we piped out Asterix! ;))
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I assume this is the definition of "pipe out" you mean, Joan?
4. Nautical
a. To signal (crew members) with a boatswain's pipe.
b. To receive aboard or mark the departure of by sounding a boatswain's pipe.
I'm asking because I found a whole bunch of definitions online, including one from Urban Dictionary that is extremely NSFW...
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Thanks
Helen! It sure hasn't been easy - I'm gotten to the point where there's
only 24 WR/day, all the time, all the way to the end now.
I've still got June 16th, 1886 - Dec 31st, 1890 to go. This will take me a few months of real time.
And
thanks for joining and contributing, Helen! It was getting rather
lonely here - nice to be on the same ship again like we were on the
Pioneer.
What
is it about us that we end up on ships with really difficult end logs -
all those 24 WR/day! I'm still in 1912, so I guess at some point
I'll be jumping back in time to reach those delightful logbooks ....
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I have no idea, Helen - guess it's just bad luck.
You still have until December 1917 plus April and May 1918 left to do, after that it's *POOF* back to Feb 1885.
Me, I'm gonna keep pushing forward - am currently in the middle of July 1886.
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Way to go, Hanibal! 8) 8) 8)
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Helen J passes the 3000 mark!
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I assume this is the definition of "pipe out" you mean, Joan?
4. Nautical
a. To signal (crew members) with a boatswain's pipe.
b. To receive aboard or mark the departure of by sounding a boatswain's pipe.
I'm asking because I found a whole bunch of definitions online, including one from Urban Dictionary that is extremely NSFW...
Oh
sigh! Language does change so fast, and that which was safe becomes
unsafe. Thanks for the warning Hanibal94! I, of course, was only
thinking about the boatswain's whistle. :-)
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Thanks Craig!
Actually, the Patterson isn't as hard as I may
have made her sound - there's no cloud code or amount of clear sky (last
two things on the weather observation entry box), so I can go even
faster than usual - often, I take less than 3 minutes for one 24 WR
page.
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Can you do some for me? About 12 minutes should help ;)
(a very busy -frustratingly so - J)
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So - was it the soap or the ice that the Patterson wished to lock up with its brand new yale lock? ;) ;D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2011/IMG_6036_1.jpg
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This day 102 years ago...in Honolulu Harbor:
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/673/nps4Qo.jpg)
Nice.... :D
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I'll trade that weather for Chicagoland still digging out from a blizzard! :)
(They
are doing very well at it - after all, we are the city that un-elected a
mayor for failing to shovel snow properly, and every administration
since, including surrounding suburbs, has remembered that. It
simply takes a full week to dig out over 4,000 miles (6,400 km) of
streets and then connect all the sidewalks to the intersections thru the
resulting snow plow piles.)
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That sounds like very serious snow, Janet! I'll try not to
complain about our pitiful amounts in the future .... :D
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Dramatic events on board Patterson!
The pantry boy, M. Wada,
for some reason which could not be definitely ascertained, became
enraged at the ward room steward, and it was necessary to put him in
double irons to prevent violence. From his threats and actions, it was
deemed advisable to keep him in irons until the ship shall have arrived
in Honolulu.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2011/IMG_6044_1.jpg
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18 inches (45 cm) in 33hours is not minor in anyone's book.
It sounds like they have an unstable person who has been bullied or prodded into rage. They are wise to constrain him.
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If I get the page when they return to Honolulu I'll be interested to
see what happens to him. Does he just get discharged, or do they
try to do something for his mental state?
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Wow! all intersting stuff. Chicago gets a new mayor due to snow
fall. Patterson's pantry boy gets double irons. It's all happening here
:o ;)
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;D
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;D
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On 15th February they arrive in Honolulu and record this in the log:
Commanding
Officer and Dr Edson were in communication with the Immigration
Authorities regarding disposition to be made of M. Wada Japanese mess
attendant.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2011/IMG_6048_1.jpg
And then on February 17th there's an inconclusive meeting:
A
board composed of the Commanding Officer, the Executive Officer, the
Medical Officer, the acting Immigration Inspector, his stenographer
& interpreter, met in the chart room to examine M Wada Mess
Attendant. Nothing definite could be decided as to the disposition to be
made of him as the Immigration Inspector was out of town. Wada was
retained on board ship and taken back to the working grounds.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2011/IMG_6049_1.jpg
I feel rather sorry for the poor man - I hope he isn't going to have to be kept in double irons again .... :(
Next installment - on 22nd February they're still trying to get a decision:
At
9:00 a.m. Hansen, writer, was sent ashore to despatch a wireless
message to the Immigration Officials in Honolulu relating to disposition
to be made of M. Wada Japanese mess attendant.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2011/IMG_6054_1.jpg
And by the end of February there's been no more mention of the hapless Wada.
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I'm on tenterhooks... :( :o
But not for long, then again...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2011/IMG_6062_1.jpg
1st March:
'At
4:30, Mr Giacomini, accompanied by the M-at-A and one seaman, left ship
to deliver M.Att. 1cl. M. Wada at the Immigration Authorities Detention
Quarters, (arrangements having been made by the Comd'g Officer), taking
a receipt for the delivery of the man from the Immigration Watchman in
charge.'
I wonder if we will ever hear what became of him? :-\
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Once he was - if he was - deported, he will have vanished from all
archived American documents. I hope his life got better once he
was settled.
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Oh, I'm so glad someone using the forum found this entry! At
least he isn't still being kept in irons on board Patterson. But I
do wonder why the Immigration Authorities were involved? If he
was Japanese how come he was a member of the crew in the first place, as
I'm assuming he must have joined up in the USA, and therefore been
entitled to be there? So why can't he be simply discharged in
Hawaii?
Anyone got any light to shed on this?
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I've seen it working on a factory floor - quite a while ago, one of
our long-time best machine operators took advantage of an Amnesty offer
to make himself legal. Turned out, the name he put on his original
job application wasn't even related to his legal name, the cover-up he
had constructed for himself had never been recognized - and that
business was a union shop, they had no motive at all to hire illegals
and no one's salary was cheap.
There is a lot of that, and I
imagine there were more than usual numbers of mariners that carried that
off very successfully before computerized records. The problem
for all of them is that none of that stands up well if some accidental
event starts someone digging more deeply into their background.
We
have a reputation as a place to start new, and continental
international boundaries (leaving out Alaska for these ships and
voyages) stretching for thousands of miles. Currently it is
estimated we have between 7 million and 20 million illegal immigrants
working here. M. Wada is not unusual.
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Thanks Janet, that makes sense. I suspect he regretted the row he got into ....
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I've also seen "foreign" names being enlisted a couple of days after
a wave of enlistments on the Albatross, which I've always suspected was
due to checking of documents for immigrants. Recently, there's also
been mention of "enlisted ... after waiver", which may be related to
immigration?
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Whew... I just broke my record for the most WR transcribed in a single day, and boy am I tired!
Old record: 2305 WR
New record: 3024 WR
I did consider going further to break the 3000 mark, but then I decided not to went ahead and did it anyway.
Won't be repeating this anytime soon.
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Don't wear yourself out, this is supposed to be fun. :)
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Congratulations!
That's why I like this place - there are people here even crazier than I am ::)
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Whew... I just broke my record for the most WR transcribed in a single day, and boy am I tired!
Old record: 2305 WR
New record: 3024 WR
I did consider going further to break the 3000 mark, but then I decided not to went ahead and did it anyway.
Won't be repeating this anytime soon.
Hi
Hanibal94 - don't forget to let your keyboard cool down - at that rate
it might spontaneously combust ;) :D Well done! 8) ;D
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Well, I didn't do it all at once - I did over the course of the day, taking breaks for water and stuff.
P.S. I did a few quick calculations, and it looks like I can pass the 80.000 mark - but only just.
This is very motivating to me, because the farthest I've gotten before was 60.000.
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70,000 would be pretty amazing .... And you've got us another percentage point nearer the 50% mark as well.
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Congratulations!
That's why I like this place - there are people here even crazier than I am ::)
You're too modest, Randi :D :P
Congrats on the new record, Hanibal.
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Congratulations!
That's why I like this place - there are people here even crazier than I am ::)
You're too modest, Randi :D :P
No,
she's right - I know for sure that I am the craziest person here, and
all I have is a not-too-bad case of Asperger's Syndrome, plus a bit of
an obsession with cute candy-colored cartoon ponies.
But hey, if I were "normal", I'd be a nobody here, and I would never want that!
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Well that's the thing about OW, it takes a special sort of person to bother joining a citizen science project and
to stick with it through thick and thin, especially when it is as
complex as this one has become. Perhaps our best side is that we
can share so well with others that it is welcoming rather than daunting.
Right - back to the P. I wonder where we are in time and space today? :D
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Feeling a bit dim -but have to ask...I've never yet found a weather
record with underlining to emphasize the weather. Now the Patterson is
doing just that (as well as putting wind speeds and weather codes in
brackets). How do we record the underlines? Can't believe I'm asking
this after 3 years, but couldn't find a clear answer by searching
'underline'. ::)
Thanks folks :-)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2011/IMG_6083_0.jpg 9pm
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Capitalize the underlined part. So in this case, it would be c(QH) for 9 pm.
P.S.
When using the search, please try being more specific - in this case,
"underlined weather code" will get you what you're looking for:
When
it comes to weather codes, please enter them as they appear in the
logbook - you don't need to correct the log-keeper's capitalisation.
This does present difficulties with underlined letters and other marks that can't be keyed - feel free to ignore these. I
like the convention of capitalising underlined letters (as they are
both indications of high intensity), so it's good to do this (but not
vital - don't worry if you haven't been doing it). In general, don't worry too much about recording strange marks - it's the letters we are really after.
At
the moment, when analysing the data, I convert all letters to lower
case - this simplifies the process of checking that all three readers
have input the same letters, and our current weather models are not
powerful enough to need the distinction between 'r' and 'R' anyway (and I
doubt that the log-keepers are consistent in how they use them). So for
current analysis it makes no difference - but future analysts may be
cleverer, so, where possible, input exactly what the log-keeper has
entered.
Philip
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Hanibal94 passes the 50,000 mark!
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Congratulations, Captain!
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Helen J passes the 4000 mark!
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Capitalize the underlined part. So in this case, it would be c(QH) for 9 pm.
P.S.
When using the search, please try being more specific - in this case,
"underlined weather code" will get you what you're looking for:
When
it comes to weather codes, please enter them as they appear in the
logbook - you don't need to correct the log-keeper's capitalisation.
This does present difficulties with underlined letters and other marks that can't be keyed - feel free to ignore these. I
like the convention of capitalising underlined letters (as they are
both indications of high intensity), so it's good to do this (but not
vital - don't worry if you haven't been doing it). In general, don't worry too much about recording strange marks - it's the letters we are really after.
At
the moment, when analysing the data, I convert all letters to lower
case - this simplifies the process of checking that all three readers
have input the same letters, and our current weather models are not
powerful enough to need the distinction between 'r' and 'R' anyway (and I
doubt that the log-keepers are consistent in how they use them). So for
current analysis it makes no difference - but future analysts may be
cleverer, so, where possible, input exactly what the log-keeper has
entered.
Philip
Cheers hanibal94 - and thanks for the search tip! :D :D
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Hanibal94 passes the 50,000 mark!
Calculator shows 'E' - number too large, does not compute. ;) ;) ;)
That's amazing - well done ;D
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Thanks Joan and Helen! I do like getting these milestones.
This one is the fourth time I've passed 50.000.
P.S. You really need to get a new calculator, Joan. ;)
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'C.H. Bennett, Ship's Cook 2cl. this day rated Fire 1cl. at
50.00 dollars per month.' Cook to Fireman - hmmmm.. was that to
stop him burning the toast?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2012/IMG_6112_0.jpg
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:P
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Just filling in time from the Concord till Michael catches up.
Where do you want these pages put?
https://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2012/IMG_6187_1.jpg
(https://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2012/IMG_6187_1.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2012/IMG_6188_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2012/IMG_6188_0.jpg)
https://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2012/IMG_6189_0.jpg
(https://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2012/IMG_6189_0.jpg)
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IF you want to, you could put them in
American: If you find letters or other misc in the logbooks...
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3390.0)
I don't think it is really necessary ;)
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Agree with Randi - just labeling them in this topic as something
along the lines of "machinery and oil receipts" should do the
trip. It's not like the RN ships when there was no promise of
concentrated-by-name topics. :)
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Can anybody tell me what 'no boiling noticed' means?
8-mid end of line 2
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2012/IMG_6199_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2012/IMG_6199_1.jpg)
Also can I assume the temps are in C not F, else its quite cold in Seattle Wash in May.
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First there is no way the Pacific Northwest, US and Canadian, could
be that far below freezing in May. They run cool but mild all year
long from the ocean winds. I visited there (Washington and
Vancouver.)
Could the "boiling" be extreme tidal turbulance?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Narrows
Seymour
Narrows is a 5 km (3.1 mi) section of the Discovery Passage in British
Columbia known for strong tidal currents.[1] Discovery Passage lies
between Vancouver Island at Menzies Bay, British Columbia and Quadra
Island except at its northern end where the eastern shoreline is Sonora
Island. The section known as Seymour Narrows begins about 18 km (11 mi)
from the south end of Discovery Passage where it enters the Georgia
Strait near Campbell River. For most of the length of the narrows, the
channel is about 750 m wide. Through this narrow channel, currents can
reach 15 kn.
Seymour Narrows was described by Captain George
Vancouver as "one of the vilest stretches of water in the world."[2]
Even after Ripple Rock was removed, it remains a challenging route. In
March 1981, the Star Philippine, a freighter ran aground in the narrows.
Seymour
Narrows is notable also because the flowing current can be sufficiently
turbulent to realize a Reynolds number of about 10^9, i.e. one billion,
which is possibly the largest Reynolds number regularly attained in
natural water channels on Earth (the current speed is about 8 m/s, the
nominal depth about 100 m). Turbulence develops usually around a
Reynolds number of 2000, depending on the geometric structure of the
channel.
(http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/bcparks/explore/parkpgs/surge_nr/surge-narrows.jpg)
surge-narrows
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Possibly:
2. fiercely churning or swirling: the boiling seas.
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Also can I assume the temps are in C not F, else its quite cold in Seattle Wash in May.
Yes.
For the logs you are doing now, the Ther Attached is given in F, but
the Air and Water (Dry and Wet values on the entry box) are given in C.
Of course, there are a few exceptions: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg81345#msg81345
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I know we are supposed to TWUC but can I drop the .0 and enter 9 for 9.0 temp? (still entering 9.5 etc)
I am sure the software will not object.
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Personally, I never drop it. So perhaps you shouldn't either - that
way, our entries will be the same, and the software will not mark them
as suspicious, so the PTB won't have to waste time looking at it when
they could be correcting actual mistakes.
(I think this is sorta how the error correcting process works. Please correct me if I am wrong)
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Thanks
No problem.
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I don't know what Philip does but I think he said at one point that
he converts the numeric data to standard numeric format before doing any
comparisons. This would not be possible in some fields though, such as
wind speed when there is a range.
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My reason for asking is that over the last two pages I have counted
91 extra key strokes that could have been saved with x not x.0
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The computer throws out everything that doesn't have 2 out 3
matching exactly, and then Philip or another analyst have to look at the
set decide to keep or throw. I just don't know if the blind
computer is smart enuf to know that 9 = 9.0 and that is the decision
point to judge your answer on.
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Sea Jaut Richardson failed to report aboard. Later he was seen on
the hillside, above the town, watching the ship leave the harbor.
Richardsons action is taken as a manifest intention to desert.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2012/IMG_6208_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2012/IMG_6208_1.jpg)
(I guess you could draw that conclusion.)
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I'd call it pretty self-evident. ;D
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What's going on here? Was there rivalry between different ships, or did some men just get a bit out of hand?
Mr
Mattison reported that tide gauge had been tampered with probably by
men from U.S.R.C. Tahoma. Paper was found strewn over dock, and paper
tension weight was lost.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2012/IMG_6212_1.jpg
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I've never seen anything like that before. Wish we could Tardis back to them and ask!! :o
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June 1913
Looking up Patterson to see if I could find out what observations they were making and came across this.
http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/041/Text/mwr-041-01-0153.TXT
(http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/041/Text/mwr-041-01-0153.TXT)
(the OCR needed a bit of refining)
Patterson
was sailing away from Kodiak Isd to Humboldt Bay at the time and made
no mention of the volcanic explosion/ash in her log.
Missed out by 'That much'
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June 1913
Looking up Patterson to see if I could find out what observations they were making and came across this.
http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/041/Text/mwr-041-01-0153.TXT
(http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/041/Text/mwr-041-01-0153.TXT)
(the OCR needed a bit of refining)
Patterson
was sailing away from Kodiak Isd to Humboldt Bay at the time and made
no mention of the volcanic explosion/ash in her log.
I'm a bit confused, Stuart. AVO says the mega-eruption of Katmai was on the 6th to 9th of June 1912.
http://www.avo.alaska.edu/volcanoes/activity.php?volcname=Katmai&eruptionid=494
They record no observed eruptions at all from Katmai in 1913.
http://www.avo.alaska.edu/volcanoes/eruptsearchresults.php?fromsearch=1&yearstart=&yearend=&year=1913&volcano=75
A search for all volcanoes in 1913 gave me only two: Bogoslov and Trident.
http://www.avo.alaska.edu/volcanoes/eruptsearchresults.php?fromsearch=1&yearstart=&yearend=&year=1913&volcano=-1
July 1913: from AVO
Description: Powers (1916) gives the following information on this eruption: "n
July, 1913, a brief statement refers to the crater [of Tahoma Peak] as
being plainly visible with steam and smoke slowly issuing from it.
Activity apparently ceased during this year, for the commanding officer
of the steamer Patterson, which passed Bogoslof on its way to pick up
survivors of the Tahoma [The Tahoma struck a reef on the 20th of
September, 1914], reports that 'the Bogoslof Islands showed three peaks
in 1914, none of which was smoking.'"
I'm much more interested in what our cutters saw in September 1913 around Trident in the Katmai area
Description:
During the years 1913 to 1919 (the years of the National Geographic
Society expeditions to the Katmai National Monument), Trident Volcano
was often observed to be "smoking" or "steaming." Eicher and Rounsefell
(1957) report a "lighter" eruption in the Katmai area in September,
1913. This eruption may have occurred at Trident.
However,
Hildreth (1983) disbelieves this account: "Published compilations
notwithstanding, there are no credible reports of historic eruptions in
the Katmai group except at Novarupta in 1912 and at Trident in 1953 -
1968."
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(Allow for poor OCR and my tidying up of some text)
The text starts out mid 1912 and then
The Recent Eruption of Katmai Volcano in Alaska. Nat.
September; 1913, v. 44, pp. 641444.
Meteorological Chart of the North Pacific Ocean, February. 1913.
pp. 233-242.
pp. 226229.
Geog. Ma;., February, 1913, v. 24, pp. 131-181.
wards a sheet of flame was seen to s h o t from the volcano high into the air.
At Ctmlova, 360 d e s from the volcano, explosions were first heard at 7 p. m., of June 6 ; at) Copper Center,
450 miles distant, they were recorded as heard on June 7;
while at Chicken, more than 600 miles distant, they were first heard a t 2.30 p. m., of the 6th, and continued until
6 a. m., of the 9th, at intervals of two or three minutes for the first few hours, then some at longer intervals, and
again some in quick succession.
At C'ordova the detonations were described as resembling signal guns at five-second intervals, but varying in
volume, and were not mentioned after 10 p. m., of June 7.
At Seldovia they were last heard on the 10th
And similar entries.
At K o h k {Kodiak?}, 100 miles from the volcano, peals of thunder attracted attention rather than volcanic explosions.
Severe thunder storms appear to have accompanied the dense smoke cloud, and did not occur far from it, as
none were mentioned at Seldovia. On the 7th, from the steamship Doru, then in Cook Inlet, the smoke cloud could
be seen carried to the south and east by the prevailing northwest surface wind.
Earth tremors were reported at several places, but there were no destructive shocks.
I;ir/l of uo7cunic asii.--At Amalik Bay, 15 miles south-east of the volcano, ashes fell to a depth of 55 inches.
At Kodiak, 100 miles to the east, the depth was 10 inches.
At Naknek, less than 100 miles to the northwest, the fall was 4 inches, while at Seldovia, 15.5 miles to the northeast,
it was less than an inch.
etc.
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Good grief - and AVO was never sent this paper by this
gentleman!!! What a very strange lack of sharing information by a
scientist!! I haven't had my morning coffee yet, but will send
this info to Cheryl today.
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The original document for is available here, without dodgy OCR: http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/041/mwr-041-01-0153.pdf
I
can't see any reference to a 1913 eruption in there; only observations
relating to the 1912 eruption (although some of those extended into
early 1913). A number of "1912"s have been mis-transcribed as "1913",
which probably is the cause of the confusion - the paper was published
in January 1913, and so can't refer to a second eruption in June 1913!
(I'm
also not sure what Janet's comment is getting at - if the AVO missed a
published paper in a scientific journal, that'd hardly be the author's
fault!)
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The
original document for Pommy Stuart's first post is available here,
without dodgy OCR:
http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/041/mwr-041-01-0153.pdf
I
can't see any reference to a 1913 eruption in there; only observations
relating to the 1912 eruption (although some of those extended into
early 1913).
Not sure what more you'd want from the scientist,
though, Janet - if the AVO decided not to read a published paper, that's
hardly the author's fault!
That
last comment is true. One can't remember everyone who might be
interested. I'll read the original doc, the ocr doc was impossible
for my eye to follow, before writing Cheryl.
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Thanks Danny
Now I can see the copy of the Original doc that does give a different time zone.
The footnote in the poor copy looked like dates in the body text.
1 Martin George C. The Recent Eruption of Katmai Volcano in Alaska. Nat.
Geo. Mag. February, 1913, v. 24, pp. 131-181.
Sorry, but still interesting reading for me.
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Very interesting reading - and set off an interest in me on any
volcanic comments in September 1913. There lies an acknowledged
true mystery. So thank you, Stuart, for adding good
interest. :)
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pommystuart (Pommy Stuart)
Welcome to the top 12 !
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I wish I could get my Concord crew to work as hard as these guys look like they are.
What a busy (but still readable) log page.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2013/IMG_6279_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2013/IMG_6279_0.jpg)
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Note the cz weather at 3 & 4pm
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2013/IMG_6280_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2013/IMG_6280_0.jpg)
don't see many z('s) around.
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I think that is an alternate "haze" - very rare.
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On this page, the Water (Wet temperature) and Air (Dry temperature) columns have been swapped:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2039/IMG_8790_0.jpg
I
decided to correct this, because it is quite obvious - I know from
loads of experience that Wet is always lower than or equal to Dry.
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It looks like the printed column headings have been crossed out and handwritten in the reverse order?
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That's exactly what I meant - the columns have been swapped, including the values in them.
You can tell because the Water (Wet) value is almost never bigger than the Air (Dry) value. I know this from experience.
So I didn't transcribe the mistake - I corrected it.
Here's my transcription so you can see what I mean: http://www.oldweather.org/transcriptions/54f774ff3d033b003100827a/edit
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Are you sure the data is wet bulb rather than water?
I know we have had some problems with this in the past.
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That particular page doesn't have any column for water surface
temperature, so I don't think a wet/water confusion is possible.
TWYS says they made a mistake and recorded the correction as best they
could and therefore Hanibal transcribed it as recorded.
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Are you sure the data is wet bulb rather than water?
I know we have had some problems with this in the past.
Yes,
because in the past they explicitly declared it was wet bulb, for
example:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2033/IMG_8116_1.jpg
So
I got used to it, and have been doing it that way for over three years
worth of logs now. No way am I going back and changing all that!
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OK, another problem: On this page, the Ther Attached and Air columns
have grey values written over the original black ones a lot of the
time, but without explicitly declaring the originals to be wrong.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2039/IMG_8798_1.jpg
I wasn't sure how to handle this, so I decided to just transcribe the original black ones.
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Strange, but I would also stick with the originals.
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Yet ANOTHER weird thing: The Water column has two values crammed in,
starting at 3 pm on this page and going on for a few more pages!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2039/IMG_8816_0.jpg
The best I can think of is that the second value is the Water temp (the first one is actually Wet - I know from experience).
But
since this is not 100% certain, I have decided to TWYS and enter both
values in the same column, separated by a space, such as "54 50".
Is this alright? If not, I can always go back and fix it.
EDIT: This affects May 23rd - 25th 1888. It seems to have stopped after that.
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It's come up before - thank goodness I save answers from the PTB because I'd forgotten this one.
Hi all,
The
writer on the Yarmouth is up to his old tricks again -- not only do we
have two days per page, he's now doing some mighty odd things with
temperatures. On
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-94181/C4-ADM53-94181-057_1.jpg,
at 1400, 1600, and 1800, there are one or more temperatures with double
entries.
At 1400, to me, it's pretty clear that he has
crossed out the initial air reading of 66 and corected it with 55, but
the bulb and sea temperatures are not crossed out, they are simply put
in twice. With wildly different values!
...
Elizabeth
Well, I don't know what they are doing on that page, but please enter all the observations, even if very dubious.
If
you think an entry has been crossed out or otherwise marked as bad,
just ignore it, otherwise please enter all the observations. If there
are two observations for the same hour, please enter both of them as
separate entries: that is put in one observation as normal, then click
again in almost the same place, and enter the second version of any
measurements with two entries. If in doubt, please put in both
measurements.
And thanks for mentioning the problem - sorting out double entries is much easier if they are flagged up in advance.
Philip
So double entry it is, not doubling up. And I'll email this to Philip as the requested notice.
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Aw hell - I was so sure I had it right!
But if double entries
is the rule, I shall do just that. At least only 2.5 pages are affected
so far - time to go back and correct them all.
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You have my sympathy - if I hadn't looked in the mod archive first,
I'd have said/done same as your first choice. Sigh.
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It is in TWYS ;)
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Speaking of TWYS - I've just had a couple of log pages (13th and
14th September 1913) which had no date. I'm assuming it will be
obvious which dates they are as they come in sequence between dated
pages, and haven't added a date (or in one case a location - the other
had something at the foot of the page). Is that right?
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Yep - that's up to the climatologists and editors to add.
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Thanks, Janet.
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Makes my little landmark look pretty puny! Congratulations, Captain.
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Good work Hanibal and Helen! 8)
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Thanks Craig and Helen!
It's rather tedious now due to being all 24 WR, all the time, but I'm getting there. Only 2 years and 2.5 months left, give or take a few days. This is wrong, see below.
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I have a grave confession to make: When I first updated the logbook
list created by asterix135, I wasn't as thorough as I should have been
in using URL editing to find new books.
Turns out I missed over a whole year worth of logs because of this. :-[ :-[ :-[
So instead of 1884 - 1890, the 19th century logs go to 1892.
Perhaps even further - the unusual URL structure makes it hard to tell.
I am very sorry.
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Consider it proof that you are human, Hanibal. Makes the rest of us feel comfortable with you. :)
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So in other words, you'd rather have me like this:
(http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/300px-Atlantis030_717.jpg)
(I do not look or dress like that)
than like this:
(http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/2001/images/1/18/Hal9000.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20091004150956)
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Yep! 8)
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Hi folks, I tried to locate this one in previous bits of this thread - but no luck.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6397_0.jpg
On
this page the P starts up yet another extra-column-on-the-left marked
'surf temp'. In previous pages the 'water' column has been retitled
(handwritten) 'wet' when this additional column appears. But the water
column is not retitled to 'wet' on this page or the next.
Should I:
put the surf temp in the water column, and the 'water' in the 'wet' column
OR
should I TWYS as usual for the details in the pre-printed grid, but
then add another entry just showing the time and the additional column
as 'water'?
Could we re-charge the time taken for sorting out the P's logs to the US Navy and have a big party please? ;) ;D
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Let's get a fresh perspective!
I will ask Philip ;)
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What I was going to say. It is a most confusing page.
I
suspect the printed column remains "wet" and there really is a water
temp this time, using centigrade and fahrenheit. One for Philip.
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Thank you folks!
Sorry another odd one: how do I note
these lat/longs please? Should I simply put them in the events
box? I've done the noon lat&longs
It's from this page: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6401_0.jpg
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/537/fgjI62.jpg)
I think I must be new here...or is it just Patterson messing with my head? ::) ;)
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Since you have noon, these are optional.
These two seem to have been done for the soundings.
If you do transcribe the first, it would go as Observed since it says "by stars".
The second might be Observed or DR.
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I
suspect the printed column remains "wet" and there really is a water
temp this time, using centigrade and fahrenheit. One for Philip.
The printed column is Wet, and the surf temp is Water. I remember dealing with that when I did those logs.
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Since you have noon, these are optional.
These two seem to have been done for the soundings.
If you do transcribe the first, it would go as Observed since it says "by stars".
The second might be Observed or DR.
Thanks Randi. As they are bobbing around on one tiny bit of the briny sea I'll let myself off! :)
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I
suspect the printed column remains "wet" and there really is a water
temp this time, using centigrade and fahrenheit. One for Philip.
The printed column is Wet, and the surf temp is Water. I remember dealing with that when I did those logs.
Fab memory banks Hanibal! :)
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Thanks, Joan!
Just be careful to check each and every page
for the surf temperature - I had to go back and add over 200 ones that I
had missed the first time!
At least it's only temporary.
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Thanks, Joan!
Just
be careful to check each and every page for the surf temperature - I
had to go back and add over 200 ones that I had missed the first time!
At least it's only temporary.
OUCH!
I've been eyes-peeled on the P for these extra columns and re-titles -
they are very eccentric in their use of those pages. I'm sure there must
be worse...possibly ::) ;D
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OK - So, if there is no "Surf Temp" column, do the numbers in the column with the printed heading Water go as Wet or Water?
I will ask Philip ;)
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Hi Randi...Hanibal says:
I
suspect the printed column remains "wet" and there really is a water
temp this time, using centigrade and fahrenheit. One for Philip.
The printed column is Wet, and the surf temp is Water. I remember dealing with that when I did those logs.
Hope this is correct then. :-\ Hope Philip agrees.
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I feel like a real pest - but what do I do with this one?
There's no more mention of it on the record of events page. I've put it
under 'events' so far.
4 a.m. 'Compass error 15.5 degrees E'
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6402_0.jpg
(I'm feeling more and more like asking the USN for party money, or at least a box of chocs ;) :D)
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Unless compass error is suspected to be a problem with the
instrument, the compass error is actually simply a mapping of the
natural variations in the magnetic field. 15 degrees is a bunch and
scientifically the mapping of variances over time allows for better
analysis of the earth's changing magnetosphere. Are there
scientists out there interested in this? I would think so.
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Oh yes there are such scientists - some of them work for
Zooniverse's Solar Stormwatch and mine our data for exactly this kind of
thing. Please copy/paste such compass variations to this thread -
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3670.0
We've been sending them stuff for a while and they definitely stop in once and while to collect it. :)
Hi all!
Thanks
for keeping this thread going! I've checked with Chris and he says that
the compass deviations are definitely worth recording - so thanks for
looking out for them (as well as any aurora sightings) and putting
them here. :)
We are still working on the USS Jeannette records
- there is so much information in those logs as well as an incredible
story. Once that is done the other ships will get some attention.
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Wow - didn't imagine it was that sort of thing! Thanks so much
HHTime Ron and Janet. I'll pull those compass errors back up and post
them in the other thread.
You really do live an learn here :D
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Confirmation from Philip:
I'm
not sure if we should congratulate the log-keepers on going above and
beyond the call of duty with extra measurements, or chastise them for
messing up a perfectly clearly-laid out logbook by putting data in
the wrong columns.
In this case, if we are confident
that the 'water' temperature is actually 'wet bulb' please enter it as
'wet bulb' (even on pages where they have forgotten to correct the
column entry).
Please do input the ' surf temp' as water
temperature whenever it's there - sea-temperatures are particularly
useful observations.
Thanks, Philip
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Excellent - I'd already adjusted my first page after Hanibal's comments. It's good to get the boss's confirmation ;D
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So excited - the USS Patterson specifies what stars she used in her lat&longs in the early hours:
16/11/1913
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6411_0.jpg
3-45 phi- 22 degrees 48 lambda 157 degrees 13. Polaris, & Arcturis Regulus & Denebola
6:00 phi- 22 degrees 33 lambda 157 degrees 13. Polaris, & Arcturis Rigel and Venus
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For those who haven't seen this notation before:
Φ or φ - Greek letter Phi - In cartography and navigation, phi denotes latitude.
Λ or λ - Greek letter Lambda - In cartography and navigation, lambda denotes longitude.
;)
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Cool! 8) ;D
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I just finished the first half of 1889, and it turns out the next
log book has a different format - the same one as from the 1910s, with 2
pages per day and a length of roughly 3 months:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2042/IMG_9047_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2042/IMG_9047_1.jpg
All previous 19th century logs have this format, with 1 page per day and a length of roughly 6 months:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2038/IMG_8709_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2038/IMG_8709_1.jpg
So
I looked ahead, and it turns out the one with 2 pages per day is
actually more common for the near future - of the nine log books I still
have left to do (that I know of - there could be even more), only one
of them is one page per day. The rest all follow the other format.
This change doesn't really matter to me - it's been a long time since unusual log formats gave me any trouble.
Just thought I might as well mention it.
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I'm glad of this info - I'm yonks behind you - but forewarned is forearmed. :D
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I see that 1889 has a Ther Attached column...
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Ah yes - the 1 page/day format has only the barometer column out of
order, but with the other, the Ther Attached column is also out of
order.
But the thing with the Water temperature actually being Wet is
still there - in the example I posted, it's been explicitly corrected.
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URGENT PROBLEM!
I just noticed a very bad mistake that affects every weather page in this log book: In the Hour column, 6 and 7 pm have been swapped.
Example: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2042/IMG_9048_0.jpg
I have no way of knowing whether the sailors corrected for this or not - how should I handle it?
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Hi Hanibal,
Wait for other advices, but i'd say definitely TWYS since:
- There's no way to tell if logkeepers have inverted readings to respect page error (i'd say it's quite unlikely).
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The time column was not essential (not sure if this has changed in the
meantime) since that information could be get from position in the page,
and your notice here could be enough warning for those which will treat
readings.
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I will ask Philip!
Like Matteo, I suspect TWYS is the most practical solution, but Philip may have a better idea.
See: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg105967#msg105967
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The time column was not essential (not sure if this has changed in the
meantime) since that information could be get from position in the page,
and your notice here could be enough warning for those which will treat
readings.
Philip
has asked us to always transcribe the hour. With 24 WRs / day and some
irregular formats getting it from the position on the page can be
tricky.
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Oh golly - the Patterson has such a history of weather page
mess-ups. It's jinxed! What worries me is that this is a pre-printed
book - other ships must have the same peculiarity surely? Anyone else
spotted it at this date?
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I doubt any of our current ships are affected - the format affected
by this problem is one that only appears on Coast and Geodetic Survey
ships, and the only other ships we have from that type are the Pioneer
and Yukon, both of which have been completed. So there's nothing more we
can do for either of them.
But the Pioneer wasn't active until 1922,
so no need to worry about her, and the Yukon was REALLY wacky - more
non-standard formats, and weirder ones, than any ship I've seen!
Still,
this would be something to watch out for in other CGS ships if we ever
get anymore - there are several listed on NavalHistory.net
(http://www.naval-history.net/OW-US/USAShipsIndex.htm), a few of which
are from this time.
Now, back to the Patterson.
It looks like the 20th century logs are OK. However, the other 19th century log books of this format are all affected - and in some cases, but not all, it's been corrected by switching the numbers around.
Corrected:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2046/IMG_9430_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2049/IMG_9743_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2050/IMG_9850_0.jpg
Not corrected:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2047/IMG_9540_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2048/IMG_9645_0.jpg
Alright,
I have to come to a conclusion: I will ignore the printing error - in
other words, I will transcribe as if these were perfectly normal logs,
and NOT follow strict TWYS.
I believe this is correct because it has
been explicitly corrected some of the time, and because it makes more
sense that way if you look at how the values go up or down - if you
assume the one right below 5 pm is always 6 pm, and the one just above 8
pm is always 7 pm, it just makes more sense.
I know this is
rather brash of me to do, but as a veteran with over 4 years of service
and plenty of experience with unusual formats and log keeper oddities, I
believe my judgement is correct.
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Amazing info Hanibal.
But in terms of recording those times I'd
rather stick to what Philip wants as he has to juggle the figures down
the line. I didn't quite understand what he does want - any
clarification from the Mods please?
Thanks.
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I'm still waiting to hear from him.
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Philip says:
I'm with Hanibal on this - this is an irrelevant typo that the logbook keeper effectively corrected for (by ignoring the error. Please transcribe the page as if the error had been explicitly corrected (as Hanibal is doing).
And thanks for the warning - I'll keep an eye out for the issue in other logs.
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Ah, so I was right - thanks for clarifying, Philip!
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Cool stuff Hanibal and Philip! 8) 8) :D
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A confession by the weather keepers of the Patterson:
"Mid to Meridian: Quartermaster of the watch made weather observations at 1:30"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6417_1.jpg
Does this need to go to Philip please? I put it in the 'events' box
Thanks,
J
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Hang
on - the next day it's marked as making weather obs for the weather
bureau. There's been a similar comment on previous days and it's clearly
not to do with the main grid.
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EEK! Look out! It's a giant, scary floating hand!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2042/IMG_9101_1.jpg
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:o :o :o ;D That just looks so scary!
Just someone at the scanning unit trying to lend a hand ;D
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And there's mention of a pirate in the Remarks :o
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I think Pirate refers to a boat or a sister-ship, given the context -
I've seen it mentioned before, along with one called Vixen.
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Aww, don't spoil the mystery, Hanibal. This is the stuff of suspense novels. ;D :P
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Whew... another big session done. Today, I did all of August and
September 1889, and a bit of October as well because it was in the same
log.
That's over 1500 WR. Not my personal best, but still a good day's work.
Zzzzzzzzzz.
(http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/118/4/2/dash_sleeping_by_stinkehund-d3f3enz.png)
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Sleep well, Hanibal. :)
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Bad boy! 25/11/1913
RRH Dachner Ch. W O. was discharged and paid
in full to date 129.62 dollars. Not recommended for re-enlistment. After
repeated warnings caused trouble among galley force and when
reprimanded was insolent. ::) >:(
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6420_0.jpg
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Good thing you got rid of him, Joan.
After all, you are judged by the company you keep.
;D
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;D
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4th December 1913: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6429_0.jpg
Lovely
warm weather in Honolulu, Christmas just around the corner...but they
are certainly feeling low, in a depression, and under the weather:
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/633/oez7h9.jpg)
21.99 inches? ::) ;D
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AvastMH passes the 7000 mark!
;D ;D ;D
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Awwww - cheers! :D
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Good work, Joan - I'm very pleased to see you contributing again after a rather long absence.
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Awwww - cheers again, Cap'n! :D
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Congratulations Joan - just as I was creeping up behind you!
I've had no internet for the last four days and have bad OW withdrawal
symptoms.
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Oh, I've been there when on vacation. Great to have you back too, Helen!
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Great to have you back Helen. Take a few deep breaths - you ARE back on board - your addiction can be fed. :o ;D
Yep
- I heard your feet coming down the deck planks towards me - gave me a
bit of a push - THANKS for that - I needed it! ;D
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Glad to have helped, Joan! Yes, it's good to be back - four
days with no internet, no e-mails, no phone - not good at all!
Especially at this time of year when I need to research arcane matters
like what to do with the incense on Maundy Thursday, and how to bless an
Easter Garden!
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What DO you do with the incense from Maundy Thursday? :-\
The
University officially closes on MT - this confuses nearly all members
of staff. Many, from abroad, have never even heard of MT needless to
say, let alone Maundy Money. When I tell them about it they look
at me as if I were mad. :-\ ::)
Hope all goes well over Easter...it is a very profound celebration.
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..., and how to bless an Easter Garden!
Holy water?
;D
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What DO you do with the incense from Maundy Thursday? :-\
The
University officially closes on MT - this confuses nearly all members
of staff. Many, from abroad, have never even heard of MT needless to
say, let alone Maundy Money. When I tell them about it they look
at me as if I were mad. :-\ ::)
I've
heard of it, but only because it's a public holiday in the very
Christian state of Bavaria. The German name literally means "Green
Thursday" - no idea why.
Gotta admit, Helen's comment on arcane matters makes me think she's doing stuff like this:
(http://dnd4.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/excerpt_4e_archmage.jpg)
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..., and how to bless an Easter Garden!
Holy water?
;D
Holy Hand Grenade? That'll make your party go off with a bang!
(Assuming you know how to count to three...)
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I LOVE that picture Hanibal - that would surprise everyone!
I'm
afraid it's all going to be rather less dramatic. The Maundy
Thursday incense is to bless the bread and wine and the altar and anyone
who's around; there are some very complicated ways of doing this with
circles and swings and wandering backwards and forwards, but I'm trying
to find a somewhat simpler pattern for my first attempt. This will
come after I've done the footwashing and before I've taken the reserved
sacrament off to the altar of repose, which in the church I'll be in is
somehow combined with a large lump of coal (don't ask ....)
Holy
water would be very appropriate for blessing the Easter garden, but I
don't think they use it at the church where I'll be doing the blessing,
so it's probably just going to be an appropriate prayer or two. On
the other hand, I will have blessed a whole lot of water in the font
earlier in the morning, and splashed it all over the congregation, so
perhaps I could hang on to some .... :D
Being serious, I'm
looking forward to my first Easter as a priest - lots of new things to
do. Also means I'll be out lots of evenings, so perhaps less
transcribing this week. Though I'll try to get here at other times
of the day.
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I find priesting for your first Easter much more fascinating. Go with that this week. :)
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Got an unusual case of a duplicate page: It was logged twice for no
apparent reason, but a side-by-side comparison shows all the data are
the same:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2044/IMG_9255_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2044/IMG_9256_0.jpg
Therefore, I only transcribed the first and skipped the second.
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Handled correctly, Hanibal. Whoever was putting the decklogs
into the clean log must have walked away, and then forgot to check which
date was last done when they came back. :)
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1st April 1914. 101 Years ago today:
U.S.C.R. Thetis moored to Naval Wharf No1 between 8 and 9
Hello Thetis!!! ;D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2015%20-%20April%201%20-%20June%2030,%201914/IMG_6469_1.jpg
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End of March 1914 and the ship needs some TLC!
Repairs Remarks:
Renew deck planking around port pantry light. East.
Foot of mainmast needs a covering where it passes through coal bunker.
Some of the knees on both port and starboard sides are badly split.
Spanker boom is rotten.
Rail on starboard side between launch davit and gig davits shows signs of loosening.
An
adjustable collar is needed around the rudder head to prevent rudder
from working. Quadrant has worked loose from rudder head several times.
The floor planks in wings of bridge are rotten. Steps leading to bridge are worn.
New accommodation ladder needed.
Steps in ladder at forward companionway are worn.
Port alley way. Large seam inside of waterway - leaks on dynamo.
Leak under port water closet. Drain from ice chest should be led over board.
Coaming on hatch from berth deck to chain lockers is worn out - one of the floor beams has been chafed almost through.
Air vent and pipes for filling forward oil tanks are broken.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2014/IMG_6458_1.jpg
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Good thing you are on vacation ;D
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Good thing I'm on vacation too - as Captain, I bet I would be the first one to get in trouble for this!
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Nah - you wouldn't be there to take the blame! After being
electrocuted by the water running past the dynamo and the toilet, being
flattened by a rotten spanker, and then breaking your leg on the worn
staircase to the Bridge you'd be tucked up in a nice cosy Naval Hospital
bed :o ;D
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Nah
- you wouldn't be there to take the blame! After being electrocuted by
the water running past the dynamo and the toilet, being flattened by a
rotten spanker, and then breaking your leg on the worn staircase to the
Bridge you'd be tucked up in a nice cosy Naval Hospital bed :o ;D
:D
:D :D One of the hazards of wooden ships I guess - I remember
being amazed when I first started on OW at how much time was spent on
maintenance; this list gives a good idea of why!
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I just started a new log book (October 28th - Dec 31st 1890), and it has some oddities:
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The printing mistake where 6 and 7 pm get swapped (I mentioned this
before
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg105967#msg105967))
- Wind direction and weather code are almost never recorded
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The integer part of barometer readings is only written down for the
first record, and whenever it changes from 29.XX to 30.XX and
vice-versa.
Here's an example page with all of these things:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2045/IMG_9401_0.jpg
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I'll tell Philip it's still happening. Continue to TWYS,
Hanibal, correcting the printing error as you go. (Sigh. You
would think surveyors of all people would be more precise in their
numbers.)
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50% Complete!
About time too - this ship is taking forever!
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Yeeeeeeeeeha! Amazing!
Then again I'm glad to hear that
we have not yet run out of the Patterson's delightfully mis-printed,
mis-filled-in, poorly noted weather records. ::) ;) ;D
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Just remember that we don't want to finish all the ships we have before the new ships come on line!
My fingers start to tremble at the mere thought of not having pages to transcribe :o
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I don't think we need to worry about finishing Patterson too soon -
it's taken us a long time to reach the half way mark. And once
hanibal finishes (which isn't all that far off) I suspect our rate is
going to slow down! But we've reached the top of the mountain, and
that's encouraging; not quite all downhill from now on, but it's
definitely an important moment. ;D
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Well done, everyone!
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Good work! 8) 8) 8)
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Helen J passes the 7000 mark!
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On this page
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2046/IMG_9463_1.jpg),
August 25th 1890, I noticed the following sentence, third and fourth
lines from the top:
Ensign Hocum; Vixen was sent to make a reconnainsance, of the southern limit of the sheet.
I believe the sheet is an ice sheet, so I entered this sentence as a Sea Ice mention. Have I done the right thing?
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I'd stay with that - when I looked up Barlow Cove in Geographical
Names, their satellite view of the area shows at least 1 glacier nearby
in modern times. That makes ice in August believable to me.
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I agree ;)
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Hi Helen...I just got a duplicated scanned page (10th June). I
didn't spot this until I'd done it (sigh!). Just thought it would
be worth letting you know as I found another one a week or so back (our
time, not in log page dates).
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asterix135 reported every duplicate up to and including May 1918.
After that, the logs jump back to Feb 1885.
Here's
the post where he reported June 10th 1914 - I suggest Helen and Joan
use this topic to keep track of duplicates, like I did.
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3383.msg74414#msg74414
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Thanks so much Hanibal! I thought I'd seen one...thanks for finding it. :D
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*Sigh* - I have found another weird thing: Multiple wind directions!
For example, the 4 pm entry on this page: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2046/IMG_9472_0.jpg
I
believe the correct way to handle this is to make two entries for 4 pm:
One containing the first wind direction (SE - SSE) and everything else
in that row, the other only containing the hour and the second wind
direction.
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True, and the second wind direction would be at 4.30pm. Back
in the 19th century, wind shifts really mattered to sailors. :)
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AARGH! Excuse me while I gently bang my head against a wall
.... Patterson's log keepers are maintaining their reputation for
constant change. I'm getting somewhat accustomed to looking out
for surface water temps at the left of the log page, which appear and
disappear apparently at random. But now they've begun to put them
at the right of the weather record - for one day - and then the next
day, guess what - back to the left again. I expect it's probably
helping to keep my brain cells active. :D
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I would normally have said just the wind direction at 3:30 and all the data at 4:00.
However, the bracket confuses me. That makes it seem like just one entry :-\
See this post and the one following it: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3337.msg105982#msg105982
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AARGH!
Excuse me while I gently bang my head against a wall .... Patterson's
log keepers are maintaining their reputation for constant change.
I'm getting somewhat accustomed to looking out for surface water temps
at the left of the log page, which appear and disappear apparently at
random. But now they've begun to put them at the right of the
weather record - for one day - and then the next day, guess what - back
to the left again. I expect it's probably helping to keep my brain
cells active. :D
They
really do keep finding new ways of noting something to do with the
weather. Who could imagine such flexibility in a perfectly useful
pre-printed grid? ::)
I just put out a mention of 'Shipopoly'...if
you have a look at Community Chest you'll recognize one card for
sure.... ;) :D
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I would normally have said just the wind direction at 3:30 and all the data at 4:00.
However, the bracket confuses me. That makes it seem like just one entry :-\
See this post and the one following it: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3337.msg105982#msg105982
I believe the brackets are there to show it is the same hour, so I entered 4 pm as the hour for both observations.
Is that correct? It's still unclear to me...
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I would probably do just one 4pm entry with both wind directions...
(given the bracket and Philip's comment - http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3337.msg106019#msg106019)
This is a really wierd case, and I don't think there is one "right" answer.
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I would probably do just one 4pm entry with both wind directions...
(given the bracket and Philip's comment - http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3337.msg106019#msg106019)
That makes more sense, actually. Could you please ask Philip which he would prefer?
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You certainly can, but I don't think which hour you use is going to
matter. Philip has said he wants both readings separately and you
have already given him that. Whether it is at 4pm or 4.30pm is
very slight.
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I asked Philip ;)
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I
just put out a mention of 'Shipopoly'...if you have a look at Community
Chest you'll recognize one card for sure.... ;) :D
Yeah, I saw that one - it would be SO ironic if I ever got it!
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Frankly, if the writing were less legible I'd ask if we could pin a
four star warning on the main page for this one. ::)
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Philip says that one observation, with 'SE-SSE SW-South' as the wind direction, will be the easiest for him to process.
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If that's what he wants, then that's what he shall get. I changed it and will follow that format for any future cases.
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Thanks, Hanibal94!
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AvastMH passes the 8000 mark!
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(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-060.gif) Hanibal94 passes the 80,000 mark! (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-061.gif)
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Congratulations to you both!
80,000 is truly impressive, hanibal94 - you must be getting near the end of the logs by now?
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Thanks Helen - you're not far off 8K!
Hanibal - awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwesome! :o ;D
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80,000 is truly impressive, hanibal94 - you must be getting near the end of the logs by now?
Hard to tell - my personal to-do list doesn't have much left:
46. July 23rd, 1890 - October 27th, 1890
From Portage Bay, Southeast Alaska to San Francisco
47. January 1st, 1891 - April 5th, 1891
Sitting around in Mare Island the whole time
48. April 6th, 1891 - June 30th, 1891
From Mare Island, California to Shoalwater Pass, Alaska
49. July 1st, 1891 - Sep 30th, 1891
From Shoalwater Pass, Alaska to Departure Bay, British Columbia
50. January 1st, 1892 - March 31st, 1892
From Mare Island, California to Unknown
However, there is a slight problem regarding page URL structure on this ship.
As you may know, most page URLs contain a log book number, and a page number that is reset every time a new log book is started.
But with the Patterson, the page number is NOT reset - it just keeps growing!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2043/IMG_9150_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2044/IMG_9249_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2045/IMG_9353_0.jpg
With the furthest log book I know of, the last page I can access looks like this:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2050/IMG_9899_0.jpg
If I enter a higher page number, I just get error messages.
So there could be more logs after this, but I cannot currently find out because of bad URL structure.
All I can do is keep pushing onwards, and hope for answers - eventually.
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Patterson is one of the earlier ships, Hanibal, done quickly because
we finished the RN fleet a full year sooner than we should have been
able to. The other ships' urls allow the scanners to know which
book on the archives shelves is being scanned. Because it makes
their life easier as well as ours, this accumulated page number thing
won't repeat.
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Good to know - thanks, Janet!
At least the Patterson is the
only active vessel left that has this bad page number thing - the
Pioneer and Yukon had it too, but they're done.
Maybe some other completed vessels have it too- I didn't check them all.
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Don't bother checking them - done is done. :)
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Hi Helen,
I'm just dong the 'preamble' pages of the log book for July - Sept 1914. :D
Done - and onto 01/07/1914 :D
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Thanks Joan - I was editing yesterday; hope to get to Patterson
today. Then I'm away for a few days so will probably not have time
for any transcribing. I may manage to keep an eye on the Forum
but that's about it. I expect you'll be well ahead of me by
the time I get home again!
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Have a good break away Helen. I just opened up July 7 th and it's
horrid...stuff all over the place. And stacks of notes, plus the pages
are poorly scanned (bits of 'remarks' on the weather page, and chopped
off remarks on 'remarks')...eek! So I'll try to get through the current
mess before you get back. :D
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Gina has said that if a page is badly scanned, she may be able to rescan it.
A whole book would obviously be impractical, but a few pages souldn't be a problem.
She has been very helpful!
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Have
a good break away Helen. I just opened up July 7 th and it's
horrid...stuff all over the place. And stacks of notes, plus the pages
are poorly scanned (bits of 'remarks' on the weather page, and chopped
off remarks on 'remarks')...eek! So I'll try to get through the current
mess before you get back. :D
I've
just got July 7th, which was fine - so thank you for getting through
all the horrid stuff for me/us! I just got two straightforward
pages, and am now on July 8th.
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ANOTHER oddity: On this page,
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2047/IMG_9544_0.jpg)
the Air column says "Therm broken".
However, the column on the left
is full of numbers that could be the Air (Dry) values - I have decided
to assume they are, and enter them in the respective box.
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Gina has said that if a page is badly scanned, she may be able to rescan it.
A whole book would obviously be impractical, but a few pages souldn't be a problem.
She has been very helpful!
Oh
don't worry about that. I'm sure Gina has lots to do - bless. Anyway,
it wouldn't have been half the problem it was (writing on every tiny
space of paper ::)) if the volcano on Pavlof hadn't blown its
top :o :-) I just use the 'snip' function to take pics, pop
them into powerpoint and use notepad to sort out the text - then it's
back to OW to put in the events etc. Easy-peasy. Just didn't want to
find that Helen and I were doing that huge page at the same time -
that'd be a right waste :D
AND - Asterix had already done
it and it's already on the Alaska Volcano site. But I'm STILL really
excited to find it. I think we get another on in October 1914 :D
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ANOTHER
oddity: On this page,
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2047/IMG_9544_0.jpg)
the Air column says "Therm broken".
However, the column on the left
is full of numbers that could be the Air (Dry) values - I have decided
to assume they are, and enter them in the respective box.
;D
that's the Patterson for you! Broken thermometer and still taking the
readings. Fab - dedication in action ::) ;) :D
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Helen J passes the 8000 mark!
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Yeeeeeha! Well done Helen!
(thinks to self - 'Better get a move on' :D)
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You've got a few days to get a healthy lead before I'm back on deck ....
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Due to the huge amount of errors and oddities plaguing these logs, I
have decided to create a handy little index to make it easier to find
solutions.
You can find it at the bottom of the first post of this topic - I hope this helps someone.
List of common oddities and errors in the logs:
The
Patterson has an unusually high number of problems and issues in her
logs. These are listed here, along with links to how we should handle
them.
Logs from the 1910s:
- Extra weather entries: Transcribe as written. (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg59076#msg59076)
- Messed
up columns: Follow this pattern
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg66149#msg66149).
(Click here for confirmation from the PTB)
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg66244#msg66244)
- Water
temperatures way on the left: Look carefully for these.
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg98867#msg98867)
- Switch from F to C: TWYS and carry on. (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg73993#msg73993)
- Corrected entries: Transcribe the red values, ignore the black ones. (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4014.0)
- Incorrect
dates: Transcribe as written.
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg78193#msg78193)
(Another example: here
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg78421#msg78421))
- Very
messed up columns: Transcribe F temperature as Water, no matter where
it is on the page.
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg81345#msg81345)
Logs from the 19th century:
- "Same
bulb dry" instead of values: Type the appropriate number in the place.
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg100202#msg100202)
- Grey
values written over black ones: Transcribe black, ignore grey.
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg104710#msg104710)
- Double entries: Transcribe as written. (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg104844#msg104844)
- Printing
errors in the logbooks: Description
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg105920#msg105920)
and solution.
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg105967#msg105967)
- Multiple wind directions with brackets:
Description
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg106846#msg106846)
and solution.
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg106886#msg106886)
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Good idea.
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Thanks, Hanibal. That is very useful.
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Cool, Hanibal, thank you. :)
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Thanks Hanibal, excellent idea. It will save me spending time hunting them down and give me more time to transcribe!
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I think it's brilliant. ;D
In fact it sorted of crossed
my mind that every ship ought to have such a log - either on
discussion, or on the reference page. Perhaps teh Shipherds/Captains
might think about this?
I hate inventing jobs, but it can be hard
work preening back through hundreds of thread comments for something
you're SURE you saw last week (and it was really 3 months ago ::)
;D )
Hmmm.. actually it would be great if there were thread that
anyone on the crew could pop an entry into - rather than burden one
person. the Captain/Shipherd need only then act as a moderator to keep
those notices on track...is this possible please?
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I agree, although I don't think too many other ships will have this many problems.
I
think the Discussion topics are the best place to work out solutions.
Anyone can post and an additional topic would probably lead to confusion
over what question/comment goes where. We can put a summary at the
beginning just like Hanibal94 has here.
(I will try to add general cases to TWYS ::))
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How did I never notice that I can modify other messages in the thread? Ummmm...ummmmm... ::)
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Moderator perks, to be used with politeness (which usually means a
red-letter editor's note owning to the changes and maybe a PM notifying
them.) ;)
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Oh so true Janet! You always need to behave with respect in someone else's house ;) :D
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I agree, although I don't think too many other ships will have this many problems.
I
think the Discussion topics are the best place to work out solutions.
Anyone can post and an additional topic would probably lead to confusion
over what question/comment goes where. We can put a summary at the
beginning just like Hanibal94 has here.
Sounds fine to me - the Patterson really is a rare exception. Most ships don't even come close to her level of messiness.
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;D It is award-winning messiness for sure.
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And Hanibal has encouraged me to join this ship. You must want to
make me suffer. I could be cruising along peacefully on the
Yorktown ;D
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Thanks for signing up, Craig! We can seriously use a man like you on board.
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(hey Helen - we're going to have to stick together ;) ;) ;D Go the girls!)
Welcome Craig! - it's nice to share the suffering fun with another fine crew member ;D
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(31st Aug 1914) Whoever should have got the steam going is probably working the wheelbarrow ;) ;D
8:35 [a.m.] Began coaling, - using wheelbarrows, as there was no steam on the boiler.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2016/IMG_6635_1.jpg
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;D
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Back home, very tired, but it's been a good conference. I
should be back on board tomorrow - so don't worry Joan, I haven't
deserted you! It will be good to have another experienced crew
member - so thanks for taking on the good ship Patterson, Craig.
:D
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I am glad to be here with you, Joan and Helen. I would rather be
elsewhere with you both, though - say, at a fine restaurant ;D
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I like having all three of you here, but I wouldn't mind being elsewhere with you either - how about the beach?
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I LOVE BEACHES! I LOVE LOOKING AT THE SEA! The whiff of ozone fills
my heart with joy....and it would be lovely if we could all go. :D
SO - which beach shall we go to? 8)
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Love beaches too - and one with a fine restaurant with a table
looking over the sea would be even better! Which beach would be
equidistant between all four of us? ;D
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I would like to suggest the Canary Islands - really great place (I
was there in 2009 with my dad and older brother), and they're not too
far away for me, Joan or Helen.
Craig, however, will need to fly a bit.
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Where's Craig - I can't recall now?
There's a fab restaurant on
Lanzarote which teaches top chef's and waiters how to cook and wait.
Went there about 21 years ago (NO! surely it was only yesterday?
:o ). It was very good - yummy yummy food, lovely place over looking a
tiny fishing harbour.
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Her launches may have been breaking down all over the shop, but some had it worse: ::)
Patterson 20/09/1914.
9:00 P.M. received wireless news of stranding of U.S.R.C. Tahoma.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2016/IMG_6655_1.jpg
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Keep an eye out for her doing this:
28 September 1914 - Rescued 29 crew of USRC Tahoma after she ran aground on an uncharted rock in the Aleutians and sank.
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:'( :'( :'( OR ;D ;D ;D ?
What a pair! ::)
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I found some notes on the barometer and thermometers in the initial pages of the July 1st - September 30th 1891 logbook:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2049/IMG_9737_1.jpg
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:o ::)
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::) ::) ::)
sums the Patterson up very well indeed :D
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I guess I'll just skip them then ;D :P
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:o >:(
Teaser. ;D
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I'm tempted because they have been recording temperatures with one
decimal place. This seems silly when they know the thermometers are not
accurate. I assume they are entering the decimal because the instruments
are calibrated in Celsius but it won't help if they are not accurate.
But, since people are watching me I don't dare. ;D
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Dean did say that his boat is available for an attempt at keelhauling...
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Let's wait until the lake warms up a bit. ;D
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gastcra (Craig)
[belated]
Welcome to the top 12 !
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gastcra (Craig) passes the 500, 1000 and 1500 marks!
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How many? ;D ;D ;D (where's my skates - I need to get them on fast!)
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/120x120q90/661/b69P2U.jpg)
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It may look impressive, Joan but it's not REMARKable. ;D
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REMARKable or not, great to have you on board Craig.
I look forward to seeing you bring this ship forwards by a lot.
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I just found oddity No. way-too-fudging-many: At around 12 am, the
log keeper got tired of writing dittos in the weather code column, and
just drew a single line up to and excluding 10 pm.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2049/IMG_9796_0.jpg
Since 4 pm is blank, I left it blank. For the rest of 12 am to 9 pm, I entered a ditto as the weather code.
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I would assume that 4 PM is also ditto since he didn't enter a code but we're not supposed to assume.
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Hanibal, that is a group ditto I was taught to use on the job while
taking inventory in the factories I worked in - in all 4 companies I
worked at in 3 states. I rarely if ever see it outside of
inventories, but then I rarely see a chance to use it outside of
inventories. Visually, it is much easier to read and gives the
auditors the information that an entire group of items are all on "rack
3, north balcony" or where ever. Easier on the writers also,
although I notice a lot of breaks in your line indicating he was not
over-predicting continued sunny weather. I'm thinking your writer
has been employed taking inventory for auditors someplace before
shipping off on Patterson.
And you are right, if he left the line blank you should too. :)
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I just finished log book 49 (July - Sep 1891), and have been
presented with log book 51 (Oct - Dec 1891) instead of log book 50 (Jan -
Mar 1892).
Then I took a look and found out that there are still six
more log books I didn't know about, so I added them to the list on page
10 of this topic.
I didn't know until now because of those stupid weird URLs.
*Sigh*...
This is awful. I was hoping I could finish the ship soon, but it
appears to be way, WAY bigger than I thought. Now I'll have to go past
100.000 WR to get her done.
I think I'll take a break and do the Jamestown 1866 instead. She's a lot more predictable than this mess.
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She does feel like a bottomless pit of logbooks! A break
sounds like a very good idea - she'll still be here when you get back
.... ;D
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Yes - take a break from chaos Hanibal! - enjoy
Jamestown. :D When you are feeling freshened up we'll be happy to
send out the steam launch to pick you up! ;) :D
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Well, I won't be completely gone - I've decided to contribute five
dates (weather and events page) per day, like I do with the Concord.
That way, she'll at least be a little smaller when I come back.
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The Patterson is a gift that keeps on giving. ;D I can
say that now (while docked in Seattle) because, despite the
unconventional column order, the odd-numbered hours are either blank or
only have air pressure recorded. This will continue until March 1915.
After that, I expect the worst. :(
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Well,
I won't be completely gone - I've decided to contribute five dates
(weather and events page) per day, like I do with the Concord.
That way, she'll at least be a little smaller when I come back.
Good idea ;)
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The
Patterson is a gift that keeps on giving. ;D I can say that
now (while docked in Seattle) because, despite the unconventional
column order, the odd-numbered hours are either blank or only have air
pressure recorded. This will continue until March 1915. After that, I
expect the worst. :(
Yup, they do that a lot ... It does speed up the transcription quite a bit.
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Just got to Oct 1st 1915...suddenly attached therm is finally in centigrade.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2019/IMG_6888_0.jpg
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I just got to Oct. 1 to, Joan. We are doing the same pages.
Log books skipped from March 31 to Oct 1. April to September missing. Hanibal has probably noted this previously.
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Ah - that's why I didn't get a remarks page...thought there was some other shipmate on watch ;D
I
HATE this new log keeper...what's he using? a microscope to annotate
the details? :o New rogue....Lieutenant Microscope ::)
I'm off for a break..and to make sure the Penguins are behaving ;) :D
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I agree, Joan. It was going so well in March 1915. Don't even know where they are now. They mention Castle Rock.
You can take over again about 13:00 GMT. I'll be going out then.
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Hi Craig! They were at Sandy Cove yesterday: Sandy
Cove 55.03 -159.36
http://www.geonames.org/5873365/sandy-cove.html
They'll have to head south sometime in the next few weeks - so I wonder where we'll spend the winter? ;)
okay - I'll be back in an hour or so :)
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Anywhere, as long as we get the former log keeper back ;D
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Log books skipped from March 31 to Oct 1. April to September missing. Hanibal has probably noted this previously.
I have. These logs are not missing - they're just out of order. You'll get July to September next, then April to June.
See page 10 of this topic for the full list.
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Oooo - I say! We're at winter anchorage in Kodiak Harbor - sorry
Craig, the delights of Hawaii will have to wait eh? ::) :D
16th
Oct 1915 A HIDEOUS weather day...up to Force 12 wind, with
squally weather, temperature dipping below zero (though the
barometer is clearly somewhere relatively cosy ;) )
oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS Patterson/Book 19/IMG_6903_0.jpg & _1.jpg
What a day! "Order was passed to get all records and sheets together" :o
Extra tot of rum all round after this little lot I should think!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Between
2:PM and 3 PM wind abating. At about 3:30 the gale suddenly increased.
Sea becoming very choppy. Ship rolling lightly at anchor. About 4:00 PM
both anchors began dragging, 4:20 Commenced heaving up anchor, as soon
as all steam was up. Gale increasing, ship failed to manoeuver clear of
marked reef and was carried by wind over reef. 4:30 Ship apparently in
storm centre - gale shifting to all quarters of the horizon, prevailing
wind S.W.
Commanding Officer on the bridge, Mr Seran on the bow, Mr
Herberger ordered on the bridge to assist C.O.; Mr Giacomini in charge
on quarter deck & at steering gear.
Ship backing and filling between reef and S.W. Shore of Near Id.; could not manoeuver out on account of shifting gale.
Order
was passed to get all records and sheets together. At about 6:10 with
ship's bow hard inshore. The fore staysail was hoisted. A sudden squall
from the SW swung the bow off shore; Ship passed clear, into Kodiak
outer harbor. 6:20 Anchored in 11fms - stbd. anchor 75 fms, port anchor
60 fms chain
Ship grounded lightly on 2fm spot.
8:00 PM Commenced heaving anchor, ran to another anchorage, 8:47 anchored in 13.4 fms 75 stbd; 60 fms chain port anchor.
Weather: Overcast, thick haze, strong gale shifting, latter part of day gale from N.W; sea: very choppy
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That is dramatic! I should have carried on for one more day
and I could have experienced it - I had noticed the wind rising over the
last few days I transcribed.
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It was a fun read - I exclaimed aloud when I read about the books
being gathered up just in case! What made me laugh was the ever rising
temperature at the barometer - somewhere nearby was nice and cosy 10.5C
as against -2.5 outside. I seem to recall that the Rodgers had nice warm
cabins too - quite tropical some days. ;D
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Who says survey ships are boring? 8)
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I almost got us to Port Townsend. It will be nice if the logs get a
bit easier when in port. It was slow going coming from Kodiak.
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Made it to Port Townsend - though they may be wishing they hadn't ....
Berth
deck and C. Olsen's room fumigated (sulphur pots). Crew's
quarters arranged ashore. Personal effects of crew steamed.
I'm boggling a bit about what they would have steamed - I'm hoping it's just clothes.
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:o
* Scarlet Fever * (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg77063;topicseen#msg77063)
That must have been a long trip (re asterix135's log entry dated 06/10/1915).
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Thanks Randi, that makes a lot of sense of why they were whisked off into quarantine as soon as they got to Port Townsend.
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(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-060.gif) Hanibal94 HITS the 90,000 mark! (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-061.gif)
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Helen J passes the 9000 mark!
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gastcra (Craig) passes the 2000, 3000, 4000 and 5000 marks!
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No one can say this crew isn't trying! ;D
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Great work everybody! (except me, of course, because I don't wan't to praise myself ;D)
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I had better pull my socks up and get a move on - I'm definitely the crew slouch! :o ;) ;D
WELL
DONE EVERYONE!!!
(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/hand-gestures/hand-clapping-smiley-emoticon.gif)
(http://www.sherv.net/)
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Great work Helen and Craig!
While doing my daily
contribution, I happened to notice that my number of WR has 24 as a
factor - and so does 90.000. So I decided to go ahead and hit the target
right in the kisser.
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I am now getting the hang of typing the decimals in the temperatures
but this has undesirable side effects: 14/11/19.15 ;D
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;D
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;D ;D Ah yes -The Patterson Effect Enjoy it Craig!
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I got so fed up with the barometer punctuation constantly changing
that I stopped being rigid about it - as long as the numbers are
correct, I don't care whether there's a dot, dash or space between them.
I know this may not be a good idea, but I'm just way too frustrated with these idiot logkeepers.
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As long as the computer knows what it is, go for it. :)
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Philip has said that his software can handle this ;)
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Philip has said that his software can handle this ;)
Ah
yeah, he did - thanks for the reminder! Now I can continue in peace
without feeling guilty about not getting everything perfectly right.
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Got a case of a wrong date:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2051/IMG_9546_0.jpg - Nov 23rd, correct
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2051/IMG_9547_0.jpg - Nov 25th, wrong
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2051/IMG_9548_0.jpg - Nov 25th, correct
I transcribed as written, because we're not allowed to correct for this (but I think we should!)
Just thought it would be worth mentioning.
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;D
(I know how you feel. Hopefully in Phase 4 there will be a way to correct things like this.)
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gastcra (Craig) passes the 6000 mark!
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How many?! :o ;D (http://imageshack.com/a/img540/2377/Vl0n6L.gif)
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It may look impressive, Joan, but I haven't made very good progress
now that we are back with the hen-scratch log keeper. And the four temps
that are trying their best to avoid each other means that I often omit
the attached thermometer at first and don't realize it until I am about
to enter the weather code in the water temp box. Grrrr.
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gastcra (Craig) passes the 7000 and 8000 marks!
;)
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Sounds as though I'm back not a minute too soon - get flying fingers!
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Welcome back, Helen. I hope you had a good retreat.
You will
be pleased to see that we are back in April 1915 and the livin's easy
(even though it's not yet summertime): only air pressure in odd hours
and not water temps. Not only that, the writing can be made out without
the use of a scanning tunneling microscope. But we should be heading out
to sea soon so let's enjoy it while we can. ;D
By the way,
the sum of the third stream WRs is only about 500 away from
asterix135's count (if it's not there already because of the 39 people
below the top 12). This should thin our the ranks of our third stream.
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By
the way, the sum of the third stream WRs is only about 500 away from
asterix135's count (if it's not there already because of the 39 people
below the top 12). This should thin our the ranks of our third stream.
asterix135 made it all the way through the 1910's logs before he quit.
So
once you guys get through all of those and are sent back to February
1885, you'll get separated - Craig will shoot ahead on stream 2, while
Helen, Joan and anyone else follow along on stream 3.
As for me - well, I hope to finish what I'm currently doing in time to return and not lose my captaincy to Craig.
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My theory was that when the sum of all the 3rd stream transcribers'
WRs passes that of the 2nd stream (which is where we almost are now)
then the fastest one of 3rd stream will move into the 2nd stream. I
can't figure out how that squares with the fact that we haven't caught
up to where asterix135 was yet, though. I guess Zovacor, Helen, Joan,
etc. contributed to moving the second stream along before you began,
Hanibal. So I can't count that work towards the 3rd stream. If that's
the case then you would have passed asterix135's end date before you
reached 40K WRs.
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If that's the case then you would have passed asterix135's end date before you reached 40K WRs.
That definitely happened - I don't remember how many WR I had when I passed his end date, but it was less than 40k.
And when I first started, I was at December 1911 - not the very beginning, as one can see from the log book list.
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Oh well, I'm in good company in the 3rd stream :)
Speaking
of which, sorry about May 1915 Helen and Joan. I couldn't resist. But I
leave you June en route to Ketchikan Alaska. ;D
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No need to apologise - I'm always happy to come back and find we've moved a good bit.
Yes,
I had a good retreat - felt quite at home, as the chapel in the
monastery where I was staying was in the shape of an upturned boat.
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;D
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Um...amazing numbers hanibal! I'm completely confused, but hey ho! ;) ;D
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I'm with you Joan - can't quite work out the numbers, but am happy just to carry on transcribing.
We've just arrived in Ketchikan, by the way ....
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Oh right - we'll that's nice - I think we've had a stretch in
Ketchikan before - nice to be some where like home :D
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M228, I believe ;)
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;D ;D ;D
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OK, let's see if I can explain what's going on.
So, at first the Patterson looked something like this:
| 1910s logs | 19th century logs | |
| Stream 1: | asterix135 (DONE) | |
| Stream 2: | Joan | |
| Stream 3: | Zovacor, etc. | |
Then when I first joined, it became this:
| 1910s logs | 19th century logs | |
| Stream 1: | asterix135 (DONE) | |
| Stream 2: | Hanibal94 | |
| Stream 3: | Joan, Zovacor, etc. | |
Now that I have reached the 19th century, and Craig has joined, it looks like this:
| 1910s logs | 19th century logs | |
| Stream 1: | asterix135 (DONE) | Hanibal94 |
| Stream 2: | Hanibal94 (DONE) | |
| Stream 3: | Craig, Joan, Helen, etc. | |
And once you guys finish the 1910 logs, it will become this:
| 1910s logs | 19th century logs | |
| Stream 1: | asterix135 (DONE) | Hanibal94 |
| Stream 2: | Hanibal94 (DONE) | Craig |
| Stream 3: | Craig, Joan, Helen, etc. (DONE) | Helen, Joan, etc. |
Has this made things clearer for y'all?
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Thanks Hanibal. It became clear to me when I realized that my theory
only works when there are two leaders all the way through to the point
when I apply it.
(I am guessing you and I are the only ones interested in this arcana).
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yep ;D
It's right over my head! But that is not
to say that I am anything but VERY IMPRESSED by it. I just look to
see who's on the forum and if Helen and or Craig are there I'm working
on another ship to save wasted work (3's enough transcriptions, and so
it shall be) :D
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That might not work, Joan, because I check the forum from time to
time after I stop transcribing. I stop doing the Patterson about 10 AM
my time (GMT-4).
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oh riiiiiiiight! Light bulb comes on etc etc. That helps :D
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And I can also be signed into the Forum while editing rather than
transcribing .... For what it's worth I won't be on Patterson
today - there's been too much to do and too little day to go
round. :(
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Hope tomorrow brings a better day Helen! :)
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January 1916 and the log keeper is being creative. How did you transcribe these, Hanibal?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2022/IMG_7216_0.jpg
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Negative temperatures?
(below zero)
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Yes, that's what I thought, Randi. Should I put in the minus signs or TWYS?
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Since you can't really TWYS, I think a minus sign is OK.
Anyone else have any ideas?
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I did literal TWYS - see below. I didn't think of them possibly being negatives.
Philip says this is fine. - Randi
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So did I but this won't be easy for Philip.
But in Seattle the below zero temps won't last long.
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I'll ask/warn Philip ;)
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Isn't there a sort of precedent for this in the lat/longs? I think we were asked to type fractions as decimals.
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That is correct, but I'm not quite sure if that qualifies as a precedent.
These are not fractions of degrees.
:-\
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That's why I said "sort of precedent" ;)
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;D
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Patterson continues on her usual idiosyncratic way .... Just had a
day with a date, and a couple of locations, but no weather whatsoever,
and no explanation. The following day, weather again. Never a
dull day.
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Patterson
continues on her usual idiosyncratic way .... Just had a day with a
date, and a couple of locations, but no weather whatsoever, and no
explanation. The following day, weather again. Never a dull day.
;D ;D ;D We'll never know when it's a dull day with that lot - they wouldn't know how to record it :o ;) ::)
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I don't thing these guys attended log-keeping school. For a stretch
they were only recording wet temperature. I am sure it was dry and they
got the column wrong. Then the forget the attached temp and they don't
seem to know what a minus sign is for. On the trip up to Alaska they
didn't record lat/longs and this trip there's no water temps. Each new
page is a surprise.
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;D ;D ;D We'll never know when it's a dull day with that lot - they wouldn't know how to record it :o ;) ::)
Perhaps it's a dull day when all the information is present, correct, and in the right place ;)
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I
don't thing these guys attended log-keeping school. For a stretch they
were only recording wet temperature. I am sure it was dry and they got
the column wrong. Then the forget the attached temp and they don't seem
to know what a minus sign is for. On the trip up to Alaska they didn't
record lat/longs and this trip there's no water temps. Each new page is a
surprise.
;D And from the Shipopoly Community Chest... check number 8
(http://i.imgur.com/bDhouno.png?1)
Randi - spot on! 8) :D
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Joan - spot on! 8) :D
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I'll buy
M 150 worth!!!
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;D ;D ;D We'll never know when it's a dull day with that lot - they wouldn't know how to record it :o ;) ::)
Perhaps it's a dull day when all the information is present, correct, and in the right place ;)
I
would agree with you, Randi, except for the fact that my brain can't
handle so much change. As soon as I get used to one format along comes
another but my fingers don't follow :(
Bring on the dull days! ;D
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I'll buy M 150 worth!!!
Honestly - I'll pay it for you! Anything! ;D
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I'm probably just repeating earlier messages but:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2023/IMG_7361_0.jpg
I'm going to take pre-printed 'water' as 'wet' and hand-written 'water' as 'water' :D
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I'm probably just repeating earlier messages but:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2023/IMG_7361_0.jpg
I'm going to take pre-printed 'water' as 'wet' and hand-written 'water' as 'water' :D
Exactly! That's what I did.
Some good news, though - once you get to the 19th century logs, it becomes less awful.
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Phew - thanks for that confirmation hanibal. :D The next day
they cross through 'air' but that seems insane - what else can it be?
There's still two 'waters' :o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2023/IMG_7362_0.jpg
Well
- they are clearly not completely beyond hope - they've managed to find
new land! OK - it's not Jeannette Island material...but it is all of
1ft above the low tide. Bless. 8)
8:30 Mr Wiedlich in #47 located uncharted rock, 1/3 way between Fire & Echo Ids. bared at low water - 1ft approx.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2023/IMG_7362_1.jpg
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I did literal TWYS - see below attachment to http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg108285#msg108285. I didn't think of them possibly being negatives.
Philip says this is fine.
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Phew
- thanks for that confirmation hanibal. :D The next day they
cross through 'air' but that seems insane - what else can it be? There's
still two 'waters' :o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2023/IMG_7362_0.jpg
I would say just do the usual: Air = Dry, Water (printed) = Wet, Water (written) = Water.
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Good-o, 'cos that's just what I did :D Thanks hanibal :D
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I did literal TWYS - see below attachment to http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg108285#msg108285. I didn't think of them possibly being negatives.
Philip says this is fine.
I
was hoping to hear that it is also fine to just put in a minus sign if
we ever run into this again, Randi. It would make it easier to type.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2024/IMG_7486_0.jpg
4am weather record - any ideas what that is at the end please? 'sef'? :-\
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Gimme a minute - I'm gonna go through My Pages and track my transcription of that thing down.
OK: I entered it as b.scf - but the s could also be a badly written d.
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see what you mean about the possibility of a 'd'. Thanks so much for trailing back through your pages Hanibal :)
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It's hard to imagine snow at 12.5 C but this is Alaska. This code ("s") has occurred a few times in earlier pages.
Note
that the log keeper has a penchant for writing abbreviations, such as
"Squ" for squall at 4 AM here
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2024/IMG_7502_0.jpg
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http://www.sciencebits.com/SnowAboveFreezing
Did
you ever wonder how can it snow at above freezing temperatures? Well,
the naive explanation is that it simply takes time for the snowflakes to
melt once they penetrate above freezing air, as they descend downwards
to the ground. This, of course, is the reason why hail can fall in warm
weather. Simply, hail stones fall fast, too fast to let the warm air
melt the hail. This is not the main explanation, however, for why it can
snow when it is above freezing.
From the figure below, it is
apparent that there is a clear dependency on the humidity - the drier it
is, the warmer can it be while snowing. This implies that the main
factor, at least in dry conditions, has to do with humidity. And this
factor is evaporation. More specifically, as the snowflakes descend,
they evaporate. This process takes heat and keeps the flakes cold.
[Ed.note: lots of explanations and heat equations skipped.]
(http://www.sciencebits.com/files/pictures/weather/rh-temp-snow.jpg)
Snow
or rain? The red line is the no-melting line. Below it, snow flakes
cool by evaporation more than they heat from the environment, thereby
keeping themselves frozen. The magneta and blue lines are +1?C and +2?C
above the no melting lines. Between 0?C and +1?C above the no melt line,
it mostly snows whereas it mostly rains between +1?C and +2?C above the
no melt line. At warmer temperatures, it rains. The green data points
are events collected by Matsuo and Sasyo (1981) in Wajima Japan, between
1975 and 1978.
...
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That's fascinating Janet - and explains how we had hailstones a
couple of weeks back when, although it certainly wasn't warm, it wasn't
below freezing, or especially close to it either.
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That may be the explanation, Janet, but if you interpret the weather
code as individual codes rather than a 3-letter abbreviation then it
was foggy. That means high humidity, I would think. The wet bulb temp
was only .5 C below the dry, though. And the air temp at 12.5 C was
beyond the limit of what the graph shows, so it would have to have been
very, very dry to have snow at that temperature.
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8) 8) 8)
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I'm not trying to read your codes, your better at that than me. The warm snow had me wondering 'why'. :)
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Fresh from the 'surprise weather recording selection pot' on the
Patterson: half way through the day the 'Water' temperature reverts to
Fahrenheit.
25th October 1916 12p.m.:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7557_0.jpg
::) ;D
but
the next day...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7558_0.jpg
It just changes as they like. Shrug.
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gastcra (Craig) passes the 9000 and 10,000 marks!
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AWESOME!!!
;D ;D ;D
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Fresh
from the 'surprise weather recording selection pot' on the Patterson:
half way through the day the 'Water' temperature reverts to Fahrenheit.
25th October 1916 12p.m.:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7557_0.jpg
::) ;D
but
the next day...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7558_0.jpg
It just changes as they like. Shrug.
See here for details: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg81345#msg81345
Since the Fahrenheit temperature is always Water, it should always be transcribed that way no mater which column it is in.
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My guess is that they are intentionally alternating the use of the Fahrenheit thermometer for some reason.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2025/IMG_7565_0.jpg
On second thought, you are right Hanibal. There may be two log keepers with different ideas about which columns to use.
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'Since the Fahrenheit temperature is always Water, it should always
be transcribed that way no matter which column it is in.'
I've done this hanibal...so we're OK on that one - phew! :)
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After the day I've had I have to say that someone on the Patterson had a better idea than me:
Disconnected Telephone 10:40 AM
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2026/IMG_7677_0.jpg
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;D
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I just finished all the easy 6 WRs per day stuff. You're on your way to Alaska now. ;D
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Ah, but it won't be long before you get nothing but the full 24! ;)
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Spoil sport. :P ;D
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24 hours of that lot. 'Fetch my smelling salts - I feel my faintness coming on' :o :o ;)
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Log book for July- Sept 1917 started - list of officers, and
dimensions etc logged. 1st log page done..it's Sunday so various
parties set off for some hunting and fishing. :)
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I love the thought of the dimensions of the officers being logged
.... Nothing would surprise me on the good ship Patterson!
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They should log potential Patterson log transcribers' psychological dimensions before they begin and issue a warning - Do this ship at your own risk ;D :P
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I
love the thought of the dimensions of the officers being logged
.... Nothing would surprise me on the good ship Patterson!
They should log potential Patterson log transcribers' psychological dimensions before they begin and issue a warning - Do this ship at your own risk ;D :P
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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They should log potential Patterson log transcribers' psychological dimensions before they begin and issue a warning - Do this ship at your own risk ;D :P
Too late for some of us!
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They should log potential Patterson log transcribers' psychological dimensions before they begin and issue a warning - Do this ship at your own risk ;D :P
Too late for some of us!
Tell me about it - I got more WR than the rest of you put together!
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And look what happened to you, Hanibal :P :D ;D
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Since when has '0' been a wind direction? This is Patterson's latest experiment in freestyle weather recording .... :o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2028/IMG_7885_0.jpg
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Yes, it is a bit odd. I think he probably means zero, which is redundant. I have seen this before somewhere.
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0 force = Calm direction, but I can understand if a logkeeper found them interchangeable. This is the Patterson. ;D
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Sounds like a good Zen question, "From what direction does a Calm
wind blow?" Maybe I need to work more Patterson. ;)
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Not now, Bob - please stick with the Jamestown 1866 until she's
done. There's not much left to go on her, and you and I are the only
ones working on her.
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Yeh - I had a recording of 'Calm, wind speed force 1' on the Patterson.
And 'Variable, force 0'
Helen
- LOVE your idea of freestyle weather recording! :D Now that
sounds like a new Olympic sport...in which case we are likely to be
working with a gold medal competitor ;D
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Not
now, Bob - please stick with the Jamestown 1866 until she's done.
There's not much left to go on her, and you and I are the only ones
working on her.
Meh, I'll sign up. I'm free with all my classes done, and she doesn't look that bad. :)
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Careful now, tastiger - the Patterson is not to be misunderestimated. ;)
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Not
now, Bob - please stick with the Jamestown 1866 until she's done.
There's not much left to go on her, and you and I are the only ones
working on her.
Meh, I'll sign up. I'm free with all my classes done, and she doesn't look that bad. :)
Famous last words my friend..hehehe! The Patterson is a head-banger! :D
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Not
now, Bob - please stick with the Jamestown 1866 until she's done.
There's not much left to go on her, and you and I are the only ones
working on her.
Meh, I'll sign up. I'm free with all my classes done, and she doesn't look that bad. :)
Famous last words my friend..hehehe! The Patterson is a head-banger! :D
Careful now, tastiger - the Patterson is not to be misunderestimated. ;)
I meant Jamestown 1866. Patterson... I have enough experience to know to say away at times.
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I meant Jamestown 1866. Patterson... I have enough experience to know to say away at times.
Ah, I see. That wasn't so clear from your statement.
The
Jamestown 1866 is a good idea, though. leelaht did the first stream a
long time ago, and I'm almost done with the second one.
So if you and
kimma (Bob) do the third stream together (maybe PM to coordinate your
transcribing times), you'll get J66 done faster and I'll be a happy man.
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They've just sandpapered and shellacked the wardroom floor and NOW
they've got the electricians in to light the ship into modernity:
Dec 4 1917:
Workmen from City Light Dept. commenced work of placing electric cable for furnishing vessel with electricity
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2029/IMG_8046_1.jpg
and I wish I could get away with what they did next day:
'Temporary connection with City Light at 3.15 Meter to installed later.'
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;D
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That's the age old practice of sending the puppy home with the kid
for the weekend before telling the parents how much the puppy will cost
to keep it. ;D
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Oh gosh - hadn't seen it like that Janet! that's so funny! And very likely true ;D
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Helen J passes the 10,000 mark!
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AvastMH passes the 9000 mark!
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Way to go, Helen and Joan! 8)
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Thanks! I'm desperate to get a 5 figure number together. The (really
dumb in my books) PenguinWatch competition ends today so hopefully that
will take a bit less time. Given it's the penultimate day,
there's virtually no-one extra survived the month :o ::)
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Can you win one of those flying penguins? They would be better than a stupid drone. ;D
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Aaargh! Had a day away from Patterson, and having left us in
October 1917, I've come back to find myself in February 1885! This
is going to slow me down a bit while I get used to a different format,
and probably some new peculiarities ....
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Yes, and 24 WRs per page is no fun either. At least the temps are in Fahrenheit and there are no decimals.
We skipped from December 1917 to April 1918. That only lasted until mid-May and we then we skipped went back to 1885.
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And the temperatures are in the right order - which I'm finding
really confusing at the moment, having had to slide along the line to
find the attached temp for so long. However I expect I'll get the
hang of it.
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And
the temperatures are in the right order - which I'm finding really
confusing at the moment, having had to slide along the line to find the
attached temp for so long. However I expect I'll get the hang of
it.
I
was knocked of my feet by finding myself in 1885 too, Helen! But the
stuff is in the right order and seems mostly accurate. It's dizzying!
I'm happy to get 24 wr per day - you get more wr per remarks page - and I reckon that's good value ;) ;) ;D
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Yes, I reckon 24WR a day isn't too bad - as you say, the proportion
of weather to remarks is better. I only need to do 5 pages to get
over my daily 100 WR target.
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From USS Concord in Kyska Harbor (Kiska Harbor: 51.97N 177.56E) 23
Aug 1901 (date not adjusted for crossing the 180th meridian)
At
9.10 surveying party consisting of the Navigator and the watch officers
with the steam cutter 1st & 2nd cutters, whale boat and dinghy
commenced Survey of Kyska Harbor and approaches by putting up signal
stations and tide gauge.
Meridian to 4 PM
Surveying party at work at stations and running lines of soundings and reading tide gauge.
4 PM to 8 PM
Surveying party continued work until 6:00.
Just
thought you'd like to know you're not the only ones surveying the
Aleutian Islands; the Navy can do useful stuff too! ;)
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Thanks, Michael. I feel just a little bit less lonely.
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I see you guys have reached the 19th century logs. Congrats!
Yes, they sadly do consist entirely of 24/day, all the time. Still, at least you get more WR per page, like Helen said.
As
for oddities in the logs - I personally think there are fewer than with
the 1910s, but that's just my opinion. Don't forget to check the first
post of this topic so you know what you'll be dealing with!
P.S.
I'm finishing up the Jamestown 1866 right now - I think I'm on the last
logbook, there's 4 months and a week left - but when that's done, I
intend to return to the Patterson and at least get enough to pass the
100k mark. Only Silvia has ever managed to do that before.
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24 WRs is not too painful. At least the data users will be pleased.
But the writing is faded. This is where vertical transcription would be a
blessing. I find I often have to look at the previous and following
entries in a column to make out a number.
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I think they needed to use more ink .... :D
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Let's send them a tablet computer rather than more ink :D
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Let's send them a tablet computer rather than more ink :D
No - being true non-geeks, they will just delete everything by accident. 8)
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Yeah, I guess you're right Janet. Or they might use it as a lure on their fishing lines.
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And we would be redundant .... which would be terrible. :o
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Now that I'm done with the Jamestown 1866, I have decided to return
to the Patterson and do some more work on her. I wanna pass the 100k
mark.
I have noticed something odd, though: With two of the
logbooks on my personal list, I was unable to access the final pages
(via URL editing, I mean), and one of them didn't come up for
transcription when it should have:
50.
January 1st, 1892 - March 31st, 1892
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2050/IMG_9836_0.jpg)
In Mare Island, California all the time Does not appear to come up for transcription, I can only access up to Feb 26th
53.
July 1st, 1892 - Sep 30th, 1892
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2053/IMG_9688_0.jpg)
(I am at July 16th at the time of posting this)
From Conclusion Harbor to Departure Bay, British Columbia
54. Oct 1st, 1892 - Dec 31st, 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2054/IMG_9788_0.jpg)
From Departure Bay, British Columbia to San Francisco, California
55.
January 1st, 1893 - March 31st, 1893
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2055/IMG_9892_1.jpg)
In San Francisco for all three months
56. April 1st, 1893 - June 30th, 1893 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2056/IMG_9991_0.jpg)
From Mare Island, California to Unknown due to inability to access final pages of log -> I can only get the first few days
I
know this is because of the bad page URL numbering, but it's still
quite annoying. Guess the only way to find out is to push through and
see what I get.
...But
the writing is faded. This is where vertical transcription would be a
blessing. I find I often have to look at the previous and following
entries in a column to make out a number.
Yes, that is true - it is quite bad with those logs. I forgot about that.
It won't last forever, though - the logs I'm doing now have good and clear writing.
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I'm glad to hear it does improve - I was steeling myself for a long
slog of eye straining logs. Though you are seven years ahead of me
so I'd better not get too excited ...
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It's already better if you're still in the same stream as me, Helen.
I notice that the date hadn't changed since I stopped yesterday.
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I think I must be behind you - I'm in March 1885, and it still looks rather faint.
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I agree Helen. Ink is clearly a rarity on the Patterson just then.
And it's such a shame given tha the weather readings are not bad at all.
NOT perfect though! but not bad :)
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It is at least consistent handwriting, which helps.
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I just remembered - on the 19th century logs, it is quite common to
run into a pair of pages that have been scanned twice for no apparent
reason.
I have reported all the ones I came across, so there's no
need for you guys to do so. Just be careful so you don't end up
unnecessarily transcribing the duplicate.
However, there are some
which are done twice for a good reason - please check this post of
mine, and several more after it:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3383.msg101816#msg101816
And note that there are a few cases where the first scan was badly done and the second was good - so I skipped the first and transcribed the second.
Please do the same for these particular pages - but first, use URL
editing to make sure there is a good second scan to transcribe!
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Thanks, Hanibal. This is very useful.
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I think this completes the possible number of permutations in the order of the three temperatures.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2033/IMG_8191_0.jpg
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Nice. The leaky boat discussion in the comments makes a good side note. :D
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Leaky log page too ;D
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More like leaky log keeper's brains!
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OK, found another problem: This page is partly obscured by a sheet
of misc. paper, but is never completely uncovered even though the paper
is moved:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2055/IMG_9977_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2055/IMG_9978_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2055/IMG_9979_0.jpg
So I decided to completely transcribe the first (9977), while having the third (9979) open in another tab so I could get the weather codes.
I then skipped the second and third.
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OK, this is weird: I just finished the log for Jan - March 1893, and
have gotten Jan - March 1918 - the missing log from 1918 that did
not appear for transcription earlier!
Not only that, but the volume number has jumped from 55 to 72!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2072/IMG_8110_1.jpg
But hey, she does have only 7 WR per day - This one will not take long!
I have entered this book in the list. Wonder what I'll get next - it's been all over the place!
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(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-060.gif) Hanibal94 passes the 100,000 mark! (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-061.gif)
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You're a centenarian now, Hanibal. 8) 8) 8)
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Well done, Hanibal - you've joined a very select band of transcribers (though I think you were already pretty select!)
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Well done, Hanibal!
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Excellent, Hanibal - you are among the elite. :)
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AMAZING!!! PROUD TO BE AMONGST YOUR CREW ON THE PATTERSON, HANIBAL ;D ;D ;D
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Thanks, everybody - I had no idea the Patterson would be this big when I first joined her.
She's definitely the toughest ship I have ever worked on, and I will be very happy when my part on her is finished.
Tomorrow, I will do the Jan - March 1918 log. With only up to 7 WR per day, it will not take long.
I wonder what will come next. This ship is predictably unpredictable.
Good night all.
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Good night, Hanibal.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/H6iyuGs6swgdhXncfc2K_bIw1Qjh-kB5tWUwAW-NfUM=w500-h282-p-no)
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OK, one thing annoying about Jan - March 1918: Sometimes, a page is
covered by inserts, like this one:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2072/IMG_8137_0.jpg
When
this happens, I use URL editing to see if it has been scanned another
time with the inserts out of the way. If yes, I only transcribe that
page and skip the rest.
If I should find one where not everything is visible, I will transcribe the scan with the most stuff visible.
To the other transcribers: Please do the same thing when you get as far as I have (which won't be for a while, of course).
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The oddness continues...
After doing January 18th, 1918
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2072/IMG_8148_0.jpg),
I suddenly got another new logbook: April 1st - June 30th 1897!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2075/IMG_1982_1.jpg
This one has an odd WR pattern: 24 WR per day, but only a quarter of which have barometer and thermometer data (EDIT: Actually, this only applies to when they're in port. At sea, it's 24 full WR).
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2075/IMG_2002_0.jpg
I give up trying to predict what comes next on this ship. It's impossible!
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Yes, there was a lot of that problem with inserts in the 20th
century logs. They would often flag the best one saying "best image",
but not always.
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Love this place name ;D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2034/IMG_8222_0.jpg
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8)
I like that they misspelled 'Patterson'. ::)
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It looks like a misspelling, kimma, but the letter that looks like
an r is really an e and the following letter is a poorly formed r. Look
at the word "survey" in the second line for another example of the e.
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Wow, right. Never mind, then. :P
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Thanks for showing an interest in our ship just the same. We don't get a lot of visitors ;D
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Wow, right. Never mind, then. :P
It houhgt ti saw mis-spedlel for a strat. ;D
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gastcra (Craig) passes the 20,000 mark!
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Wooo-hooo - well done, Craig!
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Wooohooo! Well done Craig! :D
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This has probably been noted before - 05/04/1885
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2033/IMG_8148_0.jpg
was noted by the log keeper as 05/03/1885
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Wooohooo! Well done Craig! :D
Thanks Helen and Joan (and Randi, of course). Only 80K more and I will be captain ;D
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There are two duplicate scans for Feb. 21 and 22 1886 that I didn't see on Hanibal's list.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2035/IMG_8343_0.jpg Feb 21
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2035/IMG_8343_1.jpg Feb 22
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2035/IMG_8344_0.jpg Feb 21
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2035/IMG_8344_1.jpg Feb 22
also April 8 and April 9 1886
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2035/IMG_8368_0.jpg Apr 8
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2035/IMG_8368_1.jpg Apr 9
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2035/IMG_8369_0.jpg Apr 8
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2035/IMG_8369_1.jpg Apr 9
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Wooohooo! Well done Craig! :D
Thanks Helen and Joan (and Randi, of course). Only 80K more and I will be captain ;D
Hang on Craig - I don't have a second hand on my watch - so slow up or I can't time your rise to supremacy :D
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Supremacy is out of reach, Joan. There's no beating Hanibal. Perhaps I could beet him though ;D
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Beet him? hang on and I'll ROOT around to see if I've got anything to help... ;) :D
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AAAAAHH!! Not the beets! Not the beets!
Better get into gear and get well away from Craig!
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Don't worry, Hanibal, I won't use you in my borsch.
I was
hoping to get the Patterson up to 58% completed before you returned but I
didn't make it. I have done 6K WRS since 57% but that's not good
enough.
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Welcome back, Captain. Hope you had a good break and are
returning refreshed? I promise there will be no vegetable based
violence coming from this member of the crew!
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Fantastic - the P's finally broken out of it's weather keeping
mould. No details except in the remarks section. Any suggestions folks?
25th April 1885
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2033/IMG_8158_1.jpg
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It looks like that is simply a continuation of the remarks from the previous page.
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It looks like that is simply a continuation of the remarks from the previous page.
It is indeed. That happens quite frequently with these logs.
Me, I just add the date and ignore the rest.
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Welcome
back, Captain. Hope you had a good break and are returning
refreshed? I promise there will be no vegetable based violence
coming from this member of the crew!
Yes, I do feel refreshed and ready to go. Thanks.
I
was hoping to get the Patterson up to 58% completed before you returned
but I didn't make it. I have done 6K WRs since 57% but that's not good
enough.
Woah!
That is bad news. Maybe I'll go do the much more predictable Albatross
1884 (which has less than 3 years remaining) once I finish the log book
I'm working on right now - 30 days left.
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DUPLICATE LOGS DETECTED!!!
For
the logs of July - September and October - December 1897 and the one
for October - December 1899, both the rough and smooth versions have
been scanned and uploaded:
Rough versions:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2076/IMG_2088_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2077/IMG_2191_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2086/IMG_3120_0.jpg
Smooth versions:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2078/IMG_2293_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2079/IMG_2395_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2088/IMG_3321_0.jpg
Since
the data is identical, I would like to request permission to skip
through the rough logs (which are presented first) and just do the
smooth ones.
I also detected a lot more log books
covering 1898, 1899 and part of 1900. All of them have been added to the
list - even the duplicates.
At least some of them have less than 24 WR / day.
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For sure, skip the rough whenever you are sure the clean logs are
coming. How complete an ID of duplicate rough logs can you give
me? I'd like to ask the PTB to remove the rough duplicates, but
the request should be as complete as we can make it.
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OK, there are three duplicate log books that I know of so far:
Volume 76, starts at
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2076/IMG_2085_0.jpg
and ends at
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2076/IMG_2184_0.jpg
Volume 77, starts at
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2077/IMG_2185_0.jpg
and ends at
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2077/IMG_2287_0.jpg
Volume 86, starts at
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2086/IMG_3104_0.jpg
and ends at
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2086/IMG_3206_0.jpg
Is this good enough, Janet?
P.S. Thanks for confirming that it is safe to skip. I will do so.
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I'll check in tomorrow to see if you found anything else first - no
point in mailing on the weekend when no one is in the office. :)
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I've heard back from Kevin and he's brought Chris S (our project
manager) into the problem. I'm now waiting for what they
decide. And no, we are not supposed to be transcribing double for
so many months.
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It's a little late for our Captain's return - but Patterson has just reached 58% completed.
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That was a long haul between 57% and 58%. It took us 2 weeks.
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I think we've all been rather occupied with other things - I know I've done less transcribing than usual. :(
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When the captain's away... ;)
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OK folks, I've heard back from Kevin and our project manager
Chris. At this point in the development cycle for Phase 4, it is recommended that we just skip or put Patterson on hold whenever anyone runs into any of the rough log duplicates.
And yes, they are coming up before the clean logs for the same time,
the kind of makes sense. But if you look at Hanibal's examples a
bit ago, the rough logs are amazingly easy to identify from the neat
single-handwriting clean copy. They are now on notice of the
problem and will clearing it up part of prepping for the new interface.
OK, there are three duplicate log books that I know of so far:
Volume 76, starts at
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2076/IMG_2085_0.jpg
and ends at
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2076/IMG_2184_0.jpg
Volume 77, starts at
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2077/IMG_2185_0.jpg
and ends at
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2077/IMG_2287_0.jpg
Volume 86, starts at
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and ends at
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Is this good enough, Janet?
P.S. Thanks for confirming that it is safe to skip. I will do so.
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Oh no - I need to get transcribing so I get my five figure count :o :)
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Sorry - Patterson was part of the PTB learning curve for US
ships. Lots of things were declared "don't do again" after having
Patterson demonstrate the consequences.
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I don't know Janet - this could just be The Curse of the Patterson.
What they did with their log pages has just travelled through time and
settled on the desks of the PTB? Bless! ;) :D
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Possible. Definitely possible. Maybe curses know how to hitchhike on a Tardis. ;)
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Tuesday 5th May 1885 and it's fish for dinner tonight! yummy! :P
Received following stores... 1 doz trout hooks, two salmon drag hooks, 2 pie plates, 1 frying pan.
And you need a good drink to wash it down..1 french coffee pot 1 coffee mill, 1 sauce pan.
And rounded off with 3 yds of flannel (new shirt anyone?) :D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2033/IMG_8166_0.jpg
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Possible. Definitely possible. Maybe curses know how to hitchhike on a Tardis. ;)
:D :D :D
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I think we just need to count ourselves as a kind of experiment
.... And I'm not sure where Craig is, but I'm only in May of 1885,
so it's going to be quite a while before I reach these logs, especially
at my current rate of progress!
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Janet sent me an email containing a list of all the logs of the Patterson. Every. Single. One.
I
have entered this info in the log list, but I must sadly admit it has
demoralized me - the logs go all the way from 1885 to 1905!
So I will switch to the Albatross 1884 for now. I know for sure that that one has only ~ 2.5 years left.
I will still do 5 dates per day on the Patterson, but no more.
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Sounds good, Hanibal. Just don't expect to get that kind of
list for other ships - it was created only because they were sorting out
mistakes they were trying to undo. Learning curves, thank
heavens, don't have to be repeated very often. 8)
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I
think we just need to count ourselves as a kind of experiment
.... And I'm not sure where Craig is, but I'm only in May of 1885,
so it's going to be quite a while before I reach these logs, especially
at my current rate of progress!
I
am at Sept. 1886. It took me 12 days to do one log year so if I keep up
the same pace I have about 4 months to get to the end. Just keep
plugging along and we'll get there.
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Sounds
good, Hanibal. Just don't expect to get that kind of list for
other ships - it was created only because they were sorting out mistakes
they were trying to undo. Learning curves, thank heavens, don't
have to be repeated very often. 8)
Don't worry - the Patterson is a major exception to the rule.
Most
ships have a very linear way of assigning log book and page numbers in
the page image URLs, making it MUCH easier to create a complete list
yourself.
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Janet sent me an email containing a list of all the logs of the Patterson. Every. Single. One.
I
have entered this info in the log list, but I must sadly admit it has
demoralized me - the logs go all the way from 1885 to 1905!
Ah, well, only another twenty years to go .... ::) I seem to have a knack for choosing very very long logs!
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I love the cook's name. I wonder if the mice were getting to him. D :D :D
Thophile Fromage (Cabin Cook) discharged this day by reason of his own request.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2036/IMG_8481_1.jpg
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;D
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;D ;D ;D
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Wonderfully surreal idea, Craig!
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:D :D :D
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So excited! My first 'u' in the weather codes...thought I'd never see one :o :D
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2pm
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And the writing is clear enough that there's not mistaking it. Lucky U ;D
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What a cheesy pun ;D
By the way, I think Thophile should probably be Theophile?
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;D ;D ;D Nice one Craig!
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I'm Monsieur Fromage :D
;D ( :-[) ;D
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;D ;D ;D
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By the way, the ship mentioned on
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2036/IMG_8481_1.jpg,
United States Coast Survey Schooner Hassler, was designed by Carlile Patterson.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassler_%28vessel%29
;D
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kimma001
Welcome to the top 12 !
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A creative bit of discipline on board the Patterson:
At 8
a.m. by order of Comdg officer confined Andrew Malinstrom to his hammock
on main deck for forty eight hours he having failed to obey orders
promptly & answered back and giving want of sleep as an excuse.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2034/IMG_8224_1.jpg
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8)
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;D
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;D Nice one!
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Wow - new weather!
'Warm and smoky' Perhaps another volcano has gone off? ::) ;)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2034/IMG_8245_0.jpg
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The only event the AVO has for 1885 is iffy, at Augustine, and maybe
Chernabura. And both are on the south side of Alaska. Why is a
survey ship, of all possible vessels, refusing to locate themselves by
lat/long? It could also be coming on the prevailing winds from the
Asian side. (If they spot an actual event, Cheryl at AVO will
love us.)
http://www.avo.alaska.edu/volcanoes/activity.php?volcname=Augustine&eruptionid=333
This is a questionable event.
Start: December 1885 Observed
Steam: BibCard BibCard BibCard
Eruption Type: Other
Description:
According to Kienle and Forbes (1977) a mission report on May 27, 1885
stated: "earthquakes still quite frequent here (Kenai?) and Chernabura
is still smoking." Becker (1898) says the volcano was steaming from
shore to summit.
Waitt and Beget (2009) believe that this account
describes rain or snowmelt infiltrating still-hot 1883 pyroclastic-flow
deposits.
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On the following day it's simply 'overcast, cloudy, rainy and foggy'
- covering all the bases! And they've arrived in Port Simpson,
British Columbia. Patterson seems positively allergic to recording
latitude and longitude - can't remember the last time they recorded
one.
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Well, if they are on the BC side of Alaska, they are inline for the
prevailing winds to blow ash and/or smoke on them from any number of
volcanoes whose minor events are simply never recorded. We will
have to live with that.
Silly surveyors, paying so much attention
to their charts, they forget to be careful with the ship's
records. After all, they only need to look at their field work to
know where they are! >:( ::)
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I suspect the idea that the lat and long are in another log
book is very likely. For a little while we had a synopsis of the general
plan of the surveying day in the remarks page (about 1916 I think). It
seemed to indicate that the survey info was logged with all the geodetic
data. Not surprising I suppose. :)
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That would make sense - today they've recorded waiting for an
opportunity to take sights (on a rainy, foggy etc day) - which must mean
they are working out their lat/long - just not recording them on the
books we have.
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Well here we learn more about what it feels like to keep a big boat and many lives going in the right direction...
"Mr Man anxiously awaiting a sight of the stars."
The
weather kept him waiting with a lot of o, c, p, r, q stuff until at
midnight he got 'bc'. I hope he went to bed less anxious :D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2034/IMG_8247_1.jpg
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;D ;D
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Due to the huge size of this ship, and the lack of progress on her, I
have decided to contribute 5 dates every day, starting today.
That will at least help a little.
I
seriously wish I had known how large this ship is before starting work
on her - but then, I might never have passed the 100.000 mark on her.
Ah well. No changing it now. Only way out is forwards.
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Oh, good news, Hanibal! It's been getting pretty lonely on
board recently - I think I'm the only regular transcriber. And I'm
about to go away on holiday. It would be nice to move from 58% to
59% ....
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oh dear - the guilt is mine...still I've got some leave coming up
and will be able to get more involved. Plus there's a regular band of
folk on PW so it takes the pressure off moderation there :)
AND I still really want to get to a five figure number of WRs 8)
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No, don't feel guilty Joan - we all do what we can as we can.
But if you do want to do some WRs on Patterson to help you reach your
five figure target, you would be most welcome. We're in San
Francisco at the moment, so there's no problem finding location, and you
can whizz through the 24 WRs per day pretty quickly.
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Thanks Helen! :D
Finally got back onboard :D
And may I say how good things are looking in San Fran. In fact there's spit and polish going down to celebrate...
"Received on board the following articles: 4 large boxes of polish 7 lantern globes 12 lamp glasses"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2034/IMG_8293_1.jpg
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Glad to hear standards are being kept up! I'll look forward to
having moved on a bit when I get back on board after being on holiday.
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jil
Welcome to the top 12 !
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OK, the crew have gotten ULTRA-lazy - now they don't even enter the weather code unless it changes!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2079/IMG_2434_0.jpg
Sadly, TWYS means I cannot enter the dittos I am very sure should be there.
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Look at that as job security for Philip's analysis team. ;)
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As well as yet another example of the Patterson's infinite variety
of ways of keeping us from thinking we know what's coming up ....
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At last - we've completed another percentage point of the
Patterson's massive logs - up to 59%. It seems to have taken a
very very long time ::)
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Yeah!
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Sounds like me doing at least 5 dates per day has helped! :)
Oh,
and some good news: I might be able to get leelaht to join this ship
once she's done with the Vicksburg - which will still take maybe 2
months, she says.
And if she joins and finishes a stream, I should be able to persuade Craig to come back as well.
Even the Patterson will be no match for the three of us!
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I'll come back when they don't spend 7 months at Mare Island and vicinity :D
The Yorktown is great. It's in Honolulu, Asia, Alaska, S. America, Atlantic Coast and even at Mare Island occasionally. ;D
There
are a great many ships wintering in the San Francisco area. Surely the
Science team doesn't need that many observations there. Granted, a few
are useful for cross-checking the instruments but 7 months worth?
::) Especially since weather records for San Francisco go back well into
the 1890s. The heat-island effect couldn't have been very strong then.
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Scientists will tell you there can't be too many double checks on
your instrument accuracy, and that's the dues we pay to get all those
out-at-sea readings later. Nothing about that says you have to
like it. 8)
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Well said, Janet - it would be real difficult to remove all the Mare
Island parts and only leave the Alaska bits, because those transitions
tend to happen right in the middle of a log book.
Personally, I like
it when the Patterson does less than 24 WR per day - I checked ahead,
and some of her upcoming logs only have 6 when in port.
I'm gonna enjoy those, no matter where she is!
Come
on, Craig. I thought you were seriously committed to finishing off
ships. And the Yorktown is gonna take longer than the Patterson.
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I like to see ships completed, Hanibal, but since I am in the 3rd
stream on the Yorktown every log book I complete is ready for the
science team if they want to use it.
Philip told me that the San
Francisco area is probably not the highest priority data for them but,
as you said, Hanibal, it is too difficult to select just the log books
for the north. However, by doing the Yorktown I can do my own
selection. Don't worry, I will come back to the Patterson when the
Yorktown is complete. It shouldn't take me more than a year. One
can easily get used to clear writing with few irregularities. Come and
join me and we can catch up to the captain very quickly. Then I would
take a break and do the Patterson for a while.
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Come and join me and we can catch up to the captain very quickly. Then I would take a break and do the Patterson for a while.
Sorry Craig, no can do - I promised Stuart and Michael I would focus on finishing my part on the Concord, and I have to keep that promise.
I'm currently at late February 1906 on her, so it'll take a while still.
After
that, I probably will go for Patterson - it's not long before my daily 5
dates per day brings me to the point where she starts doing 6 WR/day
when in port.
Once that happens, I intend to change my secondary
target to the Vicksburg, because my secondary should always have 24
WR/day, all the time, and the Vicksburg is closer to completion.
In a nutshell, here's what I want to do:
Current:
Primary = Concord, Secondary = Patterson
Soon:
Primary = Concord, Secondary = Vicksburg
Once Concord is done:
Primary = Patterson, Secondary = Vicksburg
So
it'll be a while before I join the Yorktown, if ever. She would make a
good secondary target though - maybe one day in the future?
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There
are a great many ships wintering in the San Francisco area. Surely the
Science team doesn't need that many observations there. Granted, a few
are useful for cross-checking the instruments but 7 months worth?
::) Especially since weather records for San Francisco go back well into
the 1890s. The heat-island effect couldn't have been very strong then.
We
try and choose ships that are interesting, but we don't sub-sample the
logs to choose only the interesting bits. There are lots of reasons for
this - it makes it easier to keep track of what we've done, the Archives
prefer it, and we are not very good at deciding what's useful anyway.
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I think that last point of Philip's is very important - we'd be mad
to start picking and choosing what we transcribe based just on what we
think we want now. How do we know what might be lurking in some
boring corner of a log which could turn out to be really important to
some future project?
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How
do we know what might be lurking in some boring corner of a log which
could turn out to be really important to some future project?
Exactly.
That's why I don't care where my ship goes - in fact, I actually like
it better when the Patterson's in port, because right now when in port
only 6 of the 24 daily WR are complete - the rest are much shorter and
faster to transcribe. I've been able to do pages like that in under 2
minutes thanks to AutoHotKey.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2079/IMG_2446_0.jpg
Oh,
and I also transcribe all the lat/long locations on the page, no matter
how many. I believe that future computers will be accurate enough and
powerful enough to use all of those, so we'd better transcribe them all
now!
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Actually, I was talking about priority of some log books over others
when I mentioned this to Philip, not whether we should do them or not.
However, I realize that it would be impractical to change the order and
it would not be nice reading for those who like chronological
continuity.
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Oh, and I also transcribe all the lat/long locations on the page, no matter how many.
So do I.
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If you look at this strategically, unless Philip is successful in
multiplying OW productivity we have a year and a half before the current
fleet of ships is completed. So I am now inclined to only transcribe
what Philip asks for. I agree with you, Hanibal, that some future
project could make more accurate climate estimates if all the lat/longs
are recorded. On the other hand, everything we do that is not used by
Philip delays the completion of a ship log. Of course, many OW members
don't care about speed and this is fine. (Also, it may not even be
necessary to have 3 transcriptions of non-required lat-longs because
large errors can easily be detected by interpolation. But, there is a
trade-off between finer precision and more observations. My feeling is
that more WRs are more valuable than finer precision in position given
the large data gaps that currently exist in the historical records. If
Philip says I am wrong about this I would be happy to transcribe all the
lat/longs.
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Philip only asks for one position. More are optional.
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On the Patterson, even one position (in lat/long terms) is
vanishingly rare - I can't think of the last time I had one. It's
all just locations - which is fine when they're at Mare Island for
months on end, but can be a considerable difficulty when they're moving
around the islands and recording a different place name every day, often
in a pretty unreadable form. More than one lat/long would be a
dream!
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;D ;D ;D
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At last - a five figure record on one ship - right I'm off to get my grog and ship's biscuits. Back later ;) :D
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AvastMH passes the 10,000 mark!
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Congratulations, Joan! Enjoy your grog and biscuits - and come back soon ....
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Great job Joan! I'm very impressed.
Now how about making it SIX figures like your captain? ;)
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Don't listen to him Joan, he's a fanatic (like me) ;D
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Great job Joan! I'm very impressed.
Now how about making it SIX figures like your captain? ;)
Don't listen to him Joan, he's a fanatic (like me) ;D
Thanks Randi!!! :D
Six figures? :o Faints clean away and has to be revived with the Captain's best brandy (hint hint hint) ;) ;) ;D
Fanatic - isn't that the definition of an OW-er? ;) ;)
Back at the grindstone tomorrow Helen!! 8) :D
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Six figures? :o Faints clean away and has to be revived with the Captain's best brandy (hint hint hint) ;) ;) ;D
Fanatic - isn't that the definition of an OW-er? ;) ;)
Sorry, I don't have any brandy - best I got is root beer. Will that help?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Rootbeerfoam2.JPG)
And yes, pretty much all OW-ers are fanatics, so Craig and me are more like Speed Freaks.
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Well done, Joan!
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jil passes the 1000 mark!
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Congratulations jil! Good to have another regular transcriber on board.
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Thanks - although I wouldn't go so far as 'regular'! I'm just doing the odd page or two every now and again.
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That's still worth something - it's just nice to come back and find we're not always exactly where I left off.
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Please do continue, Jil - we need all the help we can get, especially now since Craig stopped contributing.
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Penguins are quietening down also which releases my time back to my first love ;) ;) :D
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Please do continue, Jil - we need all the help we can get, especially now since Craig stopped contributing.
Yorktown needs more help; it's only at 35% - up 6 points since I began. ;D
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3rd March 1886 and...boots shining, kit properly ironed, everything
ship-shape and Bristol fashion please...we have a new Commander on
board:
And because we are studying coldweather we've bagged the best possible: Lieut A.S. Snow, U.S.N. ;) ;D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2035/IMG_8349_0.jpg
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OK,
one thing annoying about Jan - March 1918: Sometimes, a page is covered
by inserts, like this one:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2072/IMG_8137_0.jpg
When
this happens, I use URL editing to see if it has been scanned another
time with the inserts out of the way. If yes, I only transcribe that
page and skip the rest.
If I should find one where not everything is visible, I will transcribe the scan with the most stuff visible.
To the other transcribers: Please do the same thing when you get as far as I have (which won't be for a while, of course).
Just found a couple of similar pages during March 1886!
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Just found a couple of similar pages during March 1886!
Roger
that. Just please make sure to follow my method: Use URL editing to see
if there is a completely uncovered scan of the page (I think there
always is, from what I remember of that logbook), and if you find such a
scan, transcribe only it and skip the rest.
If you find a page where there is no scan that has everything visible, transcribe the one with the most stuff visible.
I'm
dealing with a Concord logbook where the inserts were glued to the page
- so each weather page has one scan where the insert covers all the PM
data, and another where it was rolled up to reveal the PM data, but
obscures some of the AM data instead!
Example:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol035of040/vol035of040_168_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol035of040/vol035of040_169_0.jpg
For these pages, I transcribe all the AM WR on the first scan, and all the PM WR on the second scan.
Stupid glued-in inserts! And they're not even interesting - just receipts for eggs and things!
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Roger roger that Captain - and did use your method ;) ;D
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Aha! YESSS!! This is April 1st 1886 and we learn that the
Patterson has 'Enlisted Theophile Fromage as Lds and rated him Cabin
Cook'. So - will he be the Big Cheese in the galley? ::) ;D (You
couldn't make it up if you tried ;D)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2035/IMG_8364_1.jpg
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And a God-loving big cheese at that!! Makes you wonder if
people's last names drive them into some professions. ;)
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I hope he doesn't melt under the pressure in his new position or he would have to change his name to Gratin :D
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;D
Great name!
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Amazing name - is it purely coincidence that this is on 1st April? I do hope not ....
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I couldn't help wondering about that..
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I wondered too - mostly because I was so excited to see April 1st
come up - the hope that something funny would happen. And then a
God-loving Mr Cheese working as Cabin Cook - it's almost too silly for
words - but would they put a joke like that in a log?? Well -they're a
bunch of jokers when it comes to keeping weather records so perhaps,
just perhaps, they really were playing a joke on us??!? ::) :D
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Considering how old April Fool's Day is... and the general nuttiness
of sailors (we've always been a special kind of crazy) I wouldn't be
the least bit surprised if it was a joke entry about a real event.
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;D
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28th April 1886: Coal must be cheap - look at the 'attached temp' -
76F at midnight - obviously they are working late (but as they are in
port is this just a late mid-week game of cards? ;) ) :D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2035/IMG_8383_0.jpg
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Seems like an awful lot of coal burned for the day as well. 4 tons
is kind of excessive for a compound steam engine, but I suppose it's
plausible considering they were running at 9 knots for a large part of
the day, and Patterson was a double expansion steamer, so while she was
efficient, she was still a steam engine.
DOUBLE FUN FACT TIME!
#1:
Full name of the ship is USC&GS Carlile P. Patterson, in honor of
the fourth Superintendent of the Coast Survey and first Superintendent
of the Coast and Geodetic Survey, Carlile Pollock Patterson, and was
designed by Commander Colby Mitchell Chester, the hydrographic inspector
for USC&GS at the time.
#2: When she was recommissioned after WWI, she received a new name, "Forward" and returned to service with the USC&GS.
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While using URL editing to peek ahead, I found yet another oddity in these logs:
Extra Dry and Wet temperatures - in Celsius!
Example: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2089/IMG_3449_0.jpg
I think it would be best to transcribe these in an extra WR for each hour that they appear, like this:
Hour
Wind Force Bar
Ther Dry Wet Water
Code Cloud Sky
8 am
SE 4-5 29.68
56 55
"
8 am
12.5 12.2
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That is correct.
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Thanks - it'll be a while before I hit those logs, but I wanted to make sure I know what to do when I get there.
I have added this thing to the list of oddities in the first post of this topic - which now has 14 entries in total. What an awful mess this ship is!
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But you can handle it ;D
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But you can handle it ;D
Sure, I
can handle it - but what about everybody else? Craig abandoned this
vessel because he got bored of being in port for 7 months on end!
Besides, just because I can take it doesn't mean I like it - I don't!
In fact, I'm beginning to think this ship should have 4 stars!
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I can change it to four stars.
Anyone else for or against the change?
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I just did - it gets too scrambled too often, something not expected on a survey ship manned by cartographers.
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Sure, I
can handle it - but what about everybody else? Craig abandoned this
vessel because he got bored of being in port for 7 months on end!
Minor
correction, Hanibal. I abandoned because I didn't think the San
Francisco area data were as high priority as in the north and east
Pacific, where the Yorktown spends much of its time. And since Maikel
and Silvia had done over 80,000 WRs each I knew that every log book I
completed could be used by the science team.
But I wouldn't like to do those supplementary entries either ;D
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Seems
like an awful lot of coal burned for the day as well. 4 tons is kind of
excessive for a compound steam engine, but I suppose it's plausible
considering they were running at 9 knots for a large part of the day,
and Patterson was a double expansion steamer, so while she was
efficient, she was still a steam engine.
DOUBLE FUN FACT TIME!
#1:
Full name of the ship is USC&GS Carlile P. Patterson, in honor of
the fourth Superintendent of the Coast Survey and first Superintendent
of the Coast and Geodetic Survey, Carlile Pollock Patterson, and was
designed by Commander Colby Mitchell Chester, the hydrographic inspector
for USC&GS at the time.
#2: When she was recommissioned after WWI, she received a new name, "Forward" and returned to service with the USC&GS.
Fascinating!
Especially like the info about the coal - whole new world to me all
this engineering stuff. But having done some WW1 ships, the difference
in coal usage per day is dramatic :D
'Carlile Pollock Patterson'...something a bit fishy about his name don't you think? (apology for the pun!) :D
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And
since Maikel and Silvia had done over 80,000 WRs each I knew that every
log book I completed could be used by the science team.
I thought the scientists don't get the data until the entire vessel has been completed?
Could someone with knowledge of that process please state which one of us is correct?
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As far as I know, the scientists don't get the data until the entire vessel-voyage (Philip should now have Jamestown 1866) has been completed.
I will double check.
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Philip told me once that he could analyze incomplete ships but he hasn't yet.
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I think because the whole finished-at-that-point data downloads and
he would have to redo any analysis on the earlier part. ???
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The science team (I) get the data 1 day (approximately) after you input
it. That's all the data, complete and incomplete vessels.
When
making processed observations for reanalysis and widespread scientific
use, I currently only process complete ships - ships where every page
has been done by three people.
When doing anything else, I usually use everything I've got, complete or not.
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Very clear. Thanks, Philip.
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Good to know - thanks!
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I wonder what "anything else" consists of ???
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Blogs ;)
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gastcra (Craig) passes the 30,000 mark!
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gastcra (Craig) passes the 30,000 mark!
At last! ;)
Craig, I thought you'd just decided you liked being on 29999
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I waited to get a double whammy, jil. I also passed 30K on the
Yorktown (spoiler alert). Thought it would make a nice effect ;D
I did kind of like being at 29999, spurning decimal orthodoxy. It's a pretty prime. ;D
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Good to see you back, Craig. I hope it's not just a temporary posting?
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Let me know when you and Joan reach 1887 and I will return then. ;)
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I'm in the middle of May 1886 - so not a million miles off ....
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I
waited to get a double whammy, jil. I also passed 30K on the Yorktown
(spoiler alert). Thought it would make a nice effect ;D
I did kind of like being at 29999, spurning decimal orthodoxy. It's a pretty prime. ;D
Very nice!
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Let me know when you and Joan reach 1887 and I will return then. ;)
okey dokey - I better get my skates on a bit! ;) ;) :D
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Let me know when you and Joan reach 1887 and I will return then. ;)
I'll remember that well, Craig - you better put some bang where your bark is, or else!
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jil passes the 1500 mark!
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You here too, Jil? That's great!
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Very part time - but every little helps!
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jil passes the 2000 mark!
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The next logbook for me, April to September 1899, has the one page per day format used in the logs of the 1880s.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2082/IMG_2701_1.jpg
I will enter the only temperature on the page as Dry, because that's what I did for all previous logs of this format.
However, the other logs of this time have the only temperature recored as Ther Attached - so maybe I should do it that way?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2085/IMG_3030_0.jpg
I'll leave this one to the mods - it's getting late here anyway.
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You are tired Hanibal, it is late by you and you are questioning too
much, which I do when too tired to think straight. Get some good
sleep.
Your first instinct was right, as it is the only temp recorded, list it as 'dry' please.
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I'm tired too, and I am not quite sure what you are asking.
I would say that if it is in the "Thermometer Air" column it should definitely be entered as Dry.
However - and this is where I am confused - if it is in the Ther Attached column it should probably be entered as Ther Attached.
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So we ask Philip. I wish these surveyors took as much care with their ship logs as they do with their charts.
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List it as it is written, Hanibal. :)
In
general, please follow the log - if it says 'attached', enter as an
attached temperature, if it says 'air' please enter as an air
temperature (dry bulb).
The only exception to this rule should come
when you are confident that the log has it wrong - that the temperature
in the attached column is actually an air temperature, or some similar
mistake has been made. If the log-keeper has made a mistake of this
sort, please do fix it for him, and enter the number as it is, rather
than as it is (incorrectly) labelled.
You don't have to be 'certain' that the log is wrong, you do need to be 'confident'. If in doubt, TWYS.
From
the two pages Hanibal links, I see no reason to suppose that the
log-keeper has made an error - that the temperatures are other than as
labelled. But I suspect I have missed the point (I don't see where the
doubt arises) and Hanibal is much better placed to make the judgement.
However, if unsure, please enter the numbers as labelled in the log.
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OK, I'll just follow the labeling - Thermometer Air = Dry, Ther Attached = Ther Attached.
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July 19th 1886 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2036/IMG_8434_0.jpg)
Wondering
if it wasn't a coincidence that Ensign Dewey was leading a work party
in Dewey Anchorage, found that it was indeed named after him. 8)
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=F2auJ_2ft0kC&q=theodore+dewey#v=snippet&q=theodore%20dewey&f=false
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That is cool, knowing something about the man and the location. :)
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An extra tot of rum all round - Patterson has at last reached 60%! It's a long haul but we're getting there.
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It'll get better when I rejoin, Helen. I intend to do so once I
finish the Concord - where I am at June 21st 1909 and have until
November 4th to go. Will be done with her within a week.
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Yeah! It must have been all those pages I did this morning ;) - it was 2 pages
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Look forward to having you back on board, hanibal. And every page helps, jil.
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I'm back! My part on the Concord is done, so I shall now return to this vessel!
Here's hoping there ain't too much more weirdness left - I want to finish my stream before January 1st 2016!
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Good to have you back, Captain - that should speed us up a
bit. I'm slow at the moment as I've been trying out Whaling and
reporting back, leaving less time for the Patterson.
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Just finished logbook 82 - and according to my list, this is the
last of the 6-month, 1 page/day logs. There's only 3-month, 2 page/day
ones left.
Since the latter have the single temperature of each WR recorded as Ther Attached, I shall transcribe it that way.
I
have also decided to stop posting individual officer's lists in the
Crew topic - instead, I shall gather them all in an email draft and make
one big post when I finish this ship.
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October 10th 1886 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2036/IMG_8481_0.jpg) - San Francisco
At 2.45am heard cries of men from a capsized boat, manned dinghy & picked up boatman & two men from Russian stmr. Moscow
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Aha!
YESSS!! This is April 1st 1886 and we learn that the Patterson
has 'Enlisted Theophile Fromage as Lds and rated him Cabin Cook'. So -
will he be the Big Cheese in the galley? ::) ;D (You couldn't make
it up if you tried ;D)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2035/IMG_8364_1.jpg
And
it's October 11th and Theophile Fromage has asked to be discharged
.... So it looks as though he did really exist. Probably he
couldn't bear the thought of a whole winter sitting in San Francisco (I
have some sympathy ....)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2036/IMG_8481_1.jpg
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;D
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;D ;D
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I just finished logbook 85, and it turns out that logbook 86, a
duplicate of 88, has been removed - the next log I get is 87, which is
normal.
This is good - it spares me the trouble of clicking through 3 months of duplicate pages.
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:)
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Aw heck - I just realized I transcribed A LOT of temperatures as Ther Attached, when I should have been doing them as Dry!
This definitely affects my transcriptions of April 1st - June 24th 1900, and probably some earlier ones too.
Sorry, but I cannot correct this because it would be way too much work.
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More news: After transcribing volume 88, I expected to get volume 89
- but I got volume 94, which would have been the next one, instead.
However, 94 is an exact duplicate of volume 55, which I already did, so I can just skip through it.
And 89 can still be accessed via URL editing.
Could it be that somebody removed THE WRONG LOGBOOK from the interface? :o
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Sometimes they are just in the wrong order due to damage that had to
be sent to the restoration lab. A number of the volumes were
developing mold. They were re-inserted in the scanning process
when they were returned fit to be read.
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Some more bits of weirdness, both posted in Faulty scanned and duplicate pages:
On the Patterson, December 28th and 31st 1898 has been done twice, but December 29th seems to be completely missing:
(The Dec 28th scans are exactly identical, so it's not a wrong-date case)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2083/IMG_2894_0.jpg - Dec 28th - Transcribed
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2083/IMG_2895_0.jpg - Dec 28th - Skipped
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2083/IMG_2896_0.jpg - Dec 30th - Transcribed
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2083/IMG_2897_0.jpg - Dec 31st - Transcribed
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2083/IMG_2898_0.jpg - Dec 31st - Skipped
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2083/IMG_2899_0.jpg - Blank page, end of log
I finished the whole logbook, and no sign of it. >:(
Here's a new one: Pages scanned upside down (Patterson, duplicate log of Jan 1st - Mar 1893)!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2094/IMG_9984_0.jpg - Skipped
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2094/IMG_9984_1.jpg - Skipped
Fortunately, the upside-down pages do not need to be transcribed because they are part of a duplicate log.
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Helen J passes the 20,000 mark!
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Well done, Helen!
Oct 25th 1886 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2036/IMG_8488_1.jpg)
Revenue
Str. Bear arrived at noon & came alongside of dock with the North
Alaskan Exploring Expedition Lt. Stoney USN. Hauled ahead at dock to
make room for Bear.
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Thank you jil - and with our captain back on board we've moved up from 60% to 61% in no time at all.
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Great job, Helen!
I am back on the Patterson now too.
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Excellent! Full steam ahead .... ;D
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Thank you jil - and with our captain back on board we've moved up from 60% to 61% in no time at all.
Well, that was mostly because I had a lot of 6 WR pages - she spent so much time in Oakland around 1898-1900!
But now I've been sent back to July 1893, to a time with 24 WR pages even in port.
I've checked ahead, and the crew stopped doing that around May-June 1894, but it is gonna slow me down a little.
Still, Craig's back too, so that will help a lot.
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Am I the only one who thinks this page looks kinda creepy?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2098/IMG_0387_0.jpg
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Shadows, Hanibal, not ghosts. :)
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Yes, but is it the shadow of Captain Hook? ;D
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That does look ominous. But here's the transcriber's delight http://www.oldweather.org/transcribe/50874f4d09d4090755026717
The best one I have seen! I hope this log keeper stays on for a while.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2036/IMG_8496_1.jpg ;)
The edit-link you posted will not work for most people.
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No bad, but a little too faint.
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I think the logkeepers of July-Sep 1894 (and maybe later) are not entering the wind direction or weather code at all unless it changes (not even a ditto mark!)
Examples:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20100/IMG_0510_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20100/IMG_0511_0.jpg
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I think you are right.
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Aha!
YESSS!! This is April 1st 1886 and we learn that the Patterson
has 'Enlisted Theophile Fromage as Lds and rated him Cabin Cook'. So -
will he be the Big Cheese in the galley? ::) ;D (You couldn't make
it up if you tried ;D)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2035/IMG_8364_1.jpg
And
it's October 11th and Theophile Fromage has asked to be discharged
.... So it looks as though he did really exist. Probably he
couldn't bear the thought of a whole winter sitting in San Francisco (I
have some sympathy ....)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2036/IMG_8481_1.jpg
Maybe he got a job on the USS Philadelphia ;)
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He'd be creamed ;D
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:P
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:D :D :D (please note this is the 'cheesy' emoticon ....)
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A triple cheese. Pretty bad, eh? ;D
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;D ;D ;D
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CHEESE!!
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m397h3iAvS1qes94xo2_1280.jpg)
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Hanibal -that's amazing - a picture of Msr. Fromage - make sure it goes into the history edit for the Patterson.
Well -it's as real as some of their weather recordings ;D
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Brilliant picture hanibal - definitely one for the edited history (which I definitely won't be doing ....)
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You can add May 19 1887 to your list of log pages scanned twice, Hanibal.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2037/IMG_8603_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2037/IMG_8604_1.jpg
I just got to the ones for August and remembered I hadn't flagged the May duplicates.
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You can add May 19 1887 to your list of log pages scanned twice, Hanibal.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2037/IMG_8603_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2037/IMG_8604_1.jpg
I just got to the ones for August and remembered I hadn't flagged the May duplicates.
Added, thanks. Good to see someone's making use of my list!
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Jan 8th 1896 has a VERY blurry scan - even I have a hard time reading it!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20107/IMG_1237_0.jpg
Unfortunately, this is the only scan as far as I can tell. I will transcribe what I can, but a lot of it will be guessing.
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don't worry to guess Hanibal - situation as normal - let
others have a go - otherwise use a blank. Having a gander at it now :)
with
my new super-reading glasses (and they are clean!) it doesn't look so
bad to me - but it's unhelpful at the speeds that you work at I guess. I
don't suppose it's the done thing for me to interpret the lot of it -
but would that help? Probably transcribers two and three will be OK with
it so the planet may yet be saved ;)
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Looks OK to me - and the logkeeper is using more ink than my present
one! I should be able to do it when I get there ....
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:D :D :D
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Good, that will save me the trouble, Helen. ;)
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Interesting that James H. Oliver uses the French spelling of north
(11 PM). I don't think it's just a badly formed "th" because he doesn't
to it for south. This is not the first time he has written nord.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2039/IMG_8808_1.jpg
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It might be his abbreviation for Northward.
In any case, with TWYS you don't need to worry ;)
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That is more likely, Randi. He does write North as well. Nord is a strange abbreviation, though.
This is one thing that I really don't worry about ;D
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That is more likely, Randi. He does write North as well. Nord is a strange abbreviation, though.
This is one thing that I really don't worry about ;D
I think it is an abbreviation for Northward - not French, and not true North.
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This is one thing that I really don't worry about ;D
Finally an oddity I can just ignore! It's about time! ;D
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What, me worry? ;D
I am waiting to see if he will come
up with Soud, Easd and Wesd before I make up my mind on this
important subject. ;D
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You are such a Nerd!
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I know that's a compliment coming from you, Hanibal ;D
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Some coal bunker sketches:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20108/IMG_1409_0.jpg
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TWYS ;D
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20108/IMG_1408_1.jpg
Looks like they were doing some serious stocking up!!!
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TWYS ;D
;D ;D ;D
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20108/IMG_1408_1.jpg
Looks like they were doing some serious stocking up!!!
oh I ALWAYS say 'you can just never have enough ballast....' ;D ;D ;D
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I just finished logbook 110. The next one is a rough log of April 1st 1897 - June 30th 1897.
But since that time period was already covered by log 75, which is a smooth one, I shall skip through the rough.
Not much left for me on this ship! :)
EDIT:
Something very weird just happened! I suddenly got taken to the rough
version of volume 87, even though I wasn't done with the other one - I
didn't even get to May 1897!
Plus, the log number has not changed although the page number has!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20112/IMG_1788_0.jpg - Before (1897)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20112/IMG_3518_0.jpg - After (1900)
Again, I can skip through this one, having already done the smooth version.
I will do that and report on what I get next.
EDIT 2: OK, I got all the way to 30 June 1900 (inclusive), and the next log is volume 113, just as expected.
Guess it's back to normal now - or at least as normal as this ship can ever be.
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Oh, and another thing: In Volume 113, "January" is written as
"Jany", which looks a bit like "July" - don't get confused, fellow
transcribers!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20113/IMG_3617_0.jpg
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Is there anything left for them to mess up I wonder? :-\ :)
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Is there anything left for them to mess up I wonder? :-\ :)
I think they should have named this ship the USC&GSS Murphy's Law ;)
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Toast always served butter-side-down in the Mess ;D
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I just finished 31st March 1900, which should have been the last page of log 113.
But instead, I got a page from 1892!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20113/IMG_9438_0.jpg
Once more, the page number has changed but the log number has not.
Since
I did not transcribe this particular volume - it never popped up in the
interface - I shall transcribe all these extra pages.
From what I can tell with URL editing, this fragment goes from 26th Feb to 31st March 1892.
I
have also added this oddity to the list in post 1. For each case, I
will include a link to the description, in which I will also state
whether it can be skipped or not.
For this one, the answer is No, but for the previous case - which I reported yesterday - the answer is Yes.
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Hi Hanibal - trying to work through these last few posts - do you think that we are duplicating log books then? :-\
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Hi Hanibal - trying to work through these last few posts - do you think that we are duplicating log books then? :-\
No, neither of the two I got so far was a duplicate.
The
first was the rough version of a time period for which I had already
done the smooth version (Volume 87), so I skipped through it.
The
second was supposed to turn up as Volume 50, but I never got it - the
interface went straight from 49 to 51. So I will transcribe this one.
I will report all further cases here.
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jeepers - If I ever see a ship turned inside out with the sails
beneath and waving an anchor in the air I'll know the name :o
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:D :D :D
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OK, I got through the weirdness, and have been presented with log 114, just as expected.
I
also looked through all remaining logs, and found that there will most
likely not be any more cases of this oddness, because the page numbers
behave normally from here on.
In other words, these two cases I mentioned are the only ones at all.
I
also noticed that log 115 is a rough log that I will have to transcribe
anyway because there's no clean version. Hope it isn't too bad.
Oh, and logs 118 and 121 have less than the normal 3 months each, but I can't help that.
I will not miss this ship when I'm finally done with my part on her.
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I'm sure you won't miss her - I just wonder if there ought to be
some secret sign/badge that anyone who worked on the thing should wear.
But I can't think of anything batty enough! ;D
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We're all cross eyed from having to type the pressure before the temps. But this is not very secret ;D
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;D ;D ;D
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How about the Silly Kamikaze Watermelon Badge?
Battiest thing I can think of right now!
(http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/12993000/ngbbs467ab614ea7a9.gif)
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I would proudly wear that one.
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I would also proudly wear that one. ;) ;) ;D
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R. Coe Seaman of this ship's company died at Oakland Hospital at 4 P.M.
He had been sent to the hospital two days prior. No reason was given.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2040/IMG_8915_1.jpg
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RIP R. Coe, Seaman
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Log 115 is a little tricky - not only is it a rough one, but they
also start recording the Dry and Wet temperatures in Celsius!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20115/IMG_3627_0.jpg
I have to make extra WR for these extra-accurate Celsius temperatures, because the other data also has a Dry temperature.
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And I thought we knew every trick that the Patterson has up its sleeve ::)
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How does one transcribe the 4 to 12 PM extra temperatures in this case?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20115/IMG_3672_0.jpg
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How about
./. 1.7 ./. 1.5
?
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Fair enough. I added this to the oddity list as "Division signs in logs"
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Careful - there is a 20,000 character limit ;) ;D
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Careful - there is a 20,000 character limit ;) ;D
I know - but according to Notepad++, that first post now has 4829 chars.
So it should be more than enough - at least I really hope so!
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Fair enough. I added this to the oddity list as "Division signs in logs"
Wait - I think this was actually an unusual way to indicate temperatures below 0 C!
It makes sense if you look at the associated F temperature in the Air column.
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Not a terribly good match, but I think you are correct.
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I finished that dirty rough log - now there's only smooth ones left for me.
And it looks like there won't be any more extra temperatures on the edge of the grid - woohoo!
Still, after doing this log, my respect for those who wrote the smooth logs has increased by 1000%.
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That's a kind thing to say Hanibal! :D
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He didn't say how low his respect was to start with so a thousand
percent might just bring them up to approaching terrible. ;D
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;D oh dear - we are all too funny! ;D
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This page has a bunch of extra pressure measurements from early in the morning:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20117/IMG_3844_0.jpg
I transcribed them all, of course, times and all.
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This is odd - logbook 118 only starts on May 26th 1902, not April 1st like I would expect.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20118/IMG_3924_0.jpg
Plus, ALL the weather pages are blank!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20118/IMG_3959_0.jpg
However, December 31st 1901 (last normal page I did) mentions a lot of crew leaving, and the weather readings stop after noon:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20117/IMG_3916_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20117/IMG_3916_1.jpg
Also, the Events pages of log 118 mention repairs and new crew getting enlisted:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20118/IMG_3925_1.jpg
So, it looks like she was decommissioned and undergoing repairs for a while. Pity there's no details on her NavalHistory page.
Guess I'll just have to skip through this log then.
EDIT: Weather records start again on July 7th 1902.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20119/IMG_3974_0.jpg
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Another gap: Logbook 121 ends on January 24th 1903 - again the WR
suddenly stop in the middle of the day, and again lots of crew get
discharged.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20121/IMG_4193_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20121/IMG_4193_1.jpg
The next log starts on April 13th, not April 1st like usual:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20122/IMG_4199_1.jpg
And weather records only return on May 9th:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20122/IMG_4228_0.jpg
Guess it was another break for repairs or something.
On a completely unrelated topic, I have passed the 150.000 local WR mark - making me the only person to ever do so. Woohoo!
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Congratulations - though I'm not sure I understand what a 'local' WR
is .... I'm sure you can enlighten me, and it sounds very
impressive anyway!
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Is that 150000 on the Patterson then? :o Golly gosh -amazing :o 8)
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The "local" is to distinguish it from his record over over 500,000 for all ships combined.
I wonder if Randi has stopped noting our milestones because Hanibal has us all dazzled with his prowess. ;D :P
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The "local" is to distinguish it from his record over over 500,000 for all ships combined.
Craig is correct. Local WR refers to the WR done on a single ship.
I wonder if Randi has stopped noting our milestones because Hanibal has us all dazzled with his prowess. ;D :P
Yeah - I wish! ;D
The real reason is: Randi and the other mods are really busy dealing with the new interface, the whaling spin-off, and OW Talk.
But I'm gonna keep going - I've come too far to give up now!
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Good on'ya Hanibal - that's the ticket ;) ;) ;D
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I wonder if Randi has stopped noting our milestones because Hanibal has us all dazzled with his prowess. ;D :P
Yeah - I wish! ;D
The real reason is: Randi and the other mods are really busy dealing with the new interface, the whaling spin-off, and OW Talk.
:'(
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That's quite understandable. I presume we will have no newbies
from now on since you can no longer get to the US ships by the public
OW address. Noting milestones for us OW addicts is not as important
(speaking for myself, at least). Oh, by the way, did I tell you I just passed ... ;D
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That's
quite understandable. I presume we will have no newbies from now
on since you can no longer get to the US ships by the public OW address.
Noting milestones for us OW addicts is not as important (speaking for
myself, at least). Oh, by the way, did I tell you I just passed ... ;D
No
- the original OW new landing page was to send everyone to oldWeather
(meaning the new OW5), Whaling, and Classic - which is us. When
the original landing page gave us a largely broken OW5, they temporarily
switched the landing page to just Whaling in order to avoid sending
newbies to dead ends. That has to be changed back once our new
beta test comes out and gets its bugs properly squashed. Sometime
soon, between the unknown bugs and the holiday week it is still date
unknown but soon.
This has nothing to do with milestones, except
that Hanibal is right about us mods needing to get the new children all
set up proper.
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That has to be changed back once our new beta test comes out and gets
its bugs properly squashed. Sometime soon, between the unknown
bugs and the holiday week it is still date unknown but soon.
I have an idea on this: Why not make oldweather.org the "hub" page, with links to and info on all of these:
- The new stuff (OW5)
- Whaling (OW4)
- Classic (OW3)
- Ship histories on NavalHistory
- Maybe OW Talk and this forum as well?
Just a suggestion.
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This is weird - I got 3-4-5-4 for the 12 am force!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20124/IMG_4419_0.jpg
Perhaps it means "Started at 3, increased to 4, increased to 5, then went back to 4, all in just 4 hours".
I did TWYS.
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I think your guess is correct, Hanibal.
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Wow! these pages are really slow going
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2042/IMG_9074_0.jpg
I
have to move the capture screen up and down constantly to figure out
the writing. And this is complicated by the other irregularities and the
occasional slanted image. A scanning electron microscope would be
helpful in interpreting his numbers. 3s and 8s are interchangeable as
are 5s and 6s and 0s and 1s. At least he puts a bar though his 7s.
Actually,
it doesn't look all that bad when you view the entire page using URL
editing. It's only when the context is limited to a single row that
doubts creep in.
Is there any hope of this guy being given
permanent shore leave, Hanibal? As captain, surely you must be able to
do something? How about a diplomatic letter to Naval HQ?
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Is
there any hope of this guy being given permanent shore leave, Hanibal?
As captain, surely you must be able to do something? How about a
diplomatic letter to Naval HQ?
Nope
- he does leave eventually, and the pages get better. I don't quite
remember when though - but you are almost done with the worst part!
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I'm not sure whether this look ahead to 1889 cheers me up or
not! I'm early in 1887 at the moment, where the writing isn't too
bad (or at least I've got used to it) but there are a lot of slanted
pages - sometimes almost every other page. And the water column is
mainly marked as 'wet' but now and again it isn't ....
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Here are some chocolate ship-shaped lolly-pops to keep you all strong in the face of 'those logs' :o ::) ;D
(http://i.imgur.com/sk0PToB.png)
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Wonderful, Joan. ;D ;D ;D I feel better already (especially since I'm done for the day).
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Thank you Joan - I'm tempted to lick the screen!
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Thank you Joan - I'm tempted to lick the screen!
Have you tried a 3D printer?
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I've tried them, Hanibal. They don't taste very good. ;D
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That's not what I meant, you fathead! ;D
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;D
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Yeh -frankly the control boards are gritty and the wiring is like
trying to chew dental floss - I decided not to even try sauce on my 3D
printer ::) ;)
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On April 8th 1904, the Patterson leaves Port Angeles, Washington, for Honolulu.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20126/IMG_4600_0.jpg
But on April 12th, while still out on the ocean, the destination at the top suddenly changes to San Francisco:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20126/IMG_4604_0.jpg
And she arrives there on April 17th:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20126/IMG_4609_0.jpg
Peaking ahead, I see she leaves again on June 10th for Alaska.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20126/IMG_4664_0.jpg
Wonder
what caused the sudden change of plans - mechanical problems? New
orders from the big boss? Not enough sunscreen and popsicles for Hawaii?
Ah well - it's not my job to reason why, so I'll just keep on going.
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Probably feeling homesick - she spends an inordinate amount of time in and around San Francisco ....
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In June 1904, she starts recording wet bulb temperatures again for some, but not all of the WR - in port and at sea:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20126/IMG_4674_0.jpg (9-12 am and 5-8 pm)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20127/IMG_4707_0.jpg (all but last two)
I know these are in the Water column, but I'm transcribing them as Wet
because they are rounded to the first decimal digit, which I have only
seen with Wet and never with Water temperatures, and because there have
been other Patterson logs where the Wet values were written in the Water
column.
Plus, they are currently in the Arctic, and I remember Kevin once said that they do Dry/Wet when in the Arctic.
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Found an insert containing a bunch of surface ocean temperatures:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20129/IMG_4971_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20129/IMG_4972_1.jpg
I'm sure these should be transcribed - but how?
The
problem is that the date labelings don't make sense - for example,
square 2 claims to be March 16th - 17th, but square 3 claims to be March
17th-18th, although both have two whole day's worth of different
measurements. So if this were correct, it would mean two completely
different sets of temperatures for March 17th!
And I don't think it's
two different things being measured either - square 1 (upper right)
starts at 4.34 pm (when they left Hawaii), but only one set of
measurements starts then!
I will wait for an official response before proceeding.
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I think there is a place to post this type of thing. I'll check.
I would not recommend transcribing it at the moment.
Please
put a link under: Interesting data found but not transcribed
(meteorological, oceanographic, etc.)
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4093.0)
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I think there is a place to post this type of thing. I'll check.
I would not recommend transcribing it at the moment.
Please
put a link under: Interesting data found but not transcribed
(meteorological, oceanographic, etc.)
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4093.0)
OK,
I posted the table there. Should I skip it and keep going, or wait for
what Philip has to say on this? I'd rather do the latter to be sure.
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With the launch today I am not even going to ask Philip till tomorrow.
The science team's original comments included:
"The
difficulty with data like this is that we can't promise to use it -
it's tempting, it's interesting, but we don't KNOW that it will be used
in science - there's a risk that transcribing it will be a waste of
someone's time."
and
"Since the US logs will be available in
perpetuity on the National Archives website it would be easy enough for
someone to go back for it later."
It seems to me that anyone who
wants to use this very cryptic data will have to figure out how to
transcribe it. It really doesn't fit into our interface.
My advice is to click I've finished with this page and then go into My Pages and record the Page number of that page so that you can go back and do it later if necessary.
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I did it! I finished the last log, and got that special message! Woohoo!
This
was quite a tough ship. She was much larger than I thought when I
joined up, and had so many oddities and weird things. So. Many.
My
thanks go to asterix135 for starting the log list (which I can now state
is 100% complete), and Janet Jaguar for sending me a list of logs by
email, that included which ones were rough and which had been removed.
That was a huge help.
Now to go celebrate my triumph!
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Congrats, Hanibal! That's a lot of work. 8) 8) 8)
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Well done!
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I did it! I finished the last log, and got that special message! Woohoo!
This
was quite a tough ship. She was much larger than I thought when I
joined up, and had so many oddities and weird things. So. Many.
My
thanks go to asterix135 for starting the log list (which I can now state
is 100% complete), and Janet Jaguar for sending me a list of logs by
email, that included which ones were rough and which had been removed.
That was a huge help.
Now to go celebrate my triumph!
Great piece of work Hanibal! Well done - enjoy it :D :D :D
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This log keeper is a minimalist, which could cause a problem for Philip. (Perhaps Hanibal has already mentioned this).
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2045/IMG_9385_0.jpg
For
Philip to get the correct position for the pressure digits it would be
necessary for us to insert two or three leading blanks when only the
last 2 digits are recorded. But if he removes all spaces before
comparing the 3 transcriptions he would get the wrong result.
There
are other pages where there is a liberal mix of left, right or both
left and right. And sometimes he puts in a " plus the last 2 digits.
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Hi Craig, I'll try to track these down for you. They have been
raised (I asked myself once) before now. It came back as 'TWYS please'
...more shortly :)
They must have been paying over the odds for their ink given the way they use it so sparingly :-\
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I'm pretty sure that I did TWYS (Sorry, but I don't have time to dig
it up). Since the 1 am pressure always has the integer bit, as do any
where it goes from 29 to 30 or vice versa, I hope the scientists can
find some way to work around it.
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Thanks Hanibal! :)
So far I tracked your moment of finding this problem: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg106601#msg106601
I just started a new log book (October 28th - Dec 31st 1890), and it has some oddities:
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The printing mistake where 6 and 7 pm get swapped (I mentioned this
before
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg105967#msg105967))
- Wind direction and weather code are almost never recorded
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The integer part of barometer readings is only written down for the
first record, and whenever it changes from 29.XX to 30.XX and
vice-versa.
Here's an example page with all of these things:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2045/IMG_9401_0.jpg
But
I've checked a short way onwards after that and cannot yet see the
reply. I'll take this up again tomorrow night (getting too late
now :( ) :)
(I used the term book%2045 in my search for these details) (note to self - got to p28 of Patterson thread)
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Thanks to you both for looking into this.
So, TWYS means
putting in the three leading spaces when all they record are the 2
digits after the (missing) decimal point. Is that you you did,
Hanibal?
So far, I have just been typing the numbers and ignoring the spaces.
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Thanks to you both for looking into this.
So,
TWYS means putting in the three leading spaces when all they record are
the 2 digits after the (missing) decimal point. Is that you you
did, Hanibal?
So far, I have just been typing the numbers and ignoring the spaces.
No, I meant type in the numbers and ignore the spaces. That's what I did.
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Hello from Whaling Ship Herman on June 4th 1911.
https://static.zooniverse.org/whaling-data.oldweather.org/subjects/logbookofhermanst00unse_0031.jpg
Sighted
land at 8.30pm and arrived at Unalaska at 4pm. Found Rev. Cutter
Tahoma Stmr Titania Capt Krogar. U.S.S. Patterson alongside Wharf
and at anchor.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%204/IMG_5265_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%204/IMG_5265_1.jpg
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Thanks to you both for looking into this.
So,
TWYS means putting in the three leading spaces when all they record are
the 2 digits after the (missing) decimal point. Is that you you
did, Hanibal?
So far, I have just been typing the numbers and ignoring the spaces.
No, I meant type in the numbers and ignore the spaces. That's what I did.
I'm with you Hanibal - just put the numbers down :)
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I found this from Hanibal too. It's at the bottom of the very first posting in this thread.
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg53913#msg53913
List of common oddities and errors in the logs:
The
Patterson has an unusually high number of problems and issues in her
logs. These are listed here, along with links to how we should handle
them.
Logs from the 1910s:
- Extra weather entries: Transcribe as written. (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg59076#msg59076)
- Messed
up columns: Follow this pattern
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg64672#msg64672).
(Click here for confirmation from the PTB)
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg66244#msg66244)
- Water
temperatures way on the left: Look carefully for these.
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg98867#msg98867)
- Switch from F to C: TWYS and carry on. (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg73993#msg73993)
- Corrected entries: Transcribe the red values, ignore the black ones. (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4014.0)
- Incorrect
dates: Transcribe as written.
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg78193#msg78193)
(Another example: here
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg78421#msg78421))
- Very
messed up columns: Transcribe F temperature as Water, no matter where
it is on the page.
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg81345#msg81345)
Logs from the 19th century:
- "Same
bulb dry" instead of values: Type the appropriate number in the place.
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg100202#msg100202)
- Grey
values written over black ones: Transcribe black, ignore grey.
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg104710#msg104710)
- Double entries: Transcribe as written. (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg104844#msg104844)
- Printing
errors in the logbooks: Description
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg105920#msg105920)
and solution.
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg105967#msg105967)
- Multiple wind directions with brackets:
Description
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg106846#msg106846)
and solution.
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg106886#msg106886)
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I haven't added the minimalist pressure records to that list, because I didn't think it needed to be added.
Other ships have this problem too, and the solution is always: Just type the numbers that are there, ignore the spaces.
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Agreed Hanibal. I looked through all the messages and found
nothing specific (I was sure there was something there but perhaps it
was another ship?). :D
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When in doubt, TWYS. ;D
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and I don't see spaces ;D
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Kevin just emailed me a back-story bit on the Patterson. Quite interesting, I think. :)
something to pass along to the crew of the Patterson
http://www.history.noaa.gov/cgsbios/biom14.html
This is in addition to some photos of Miller.
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3394.msg120143#msg120143
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Thanks for that - a sad end to an adventurous life.
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yes - tragic - I'm sure he had much to offer the survey :(
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2047/IMG_9552_0.jpg
It's
not always consistent but the Air temp is most often lower than the
"Water". It has been like this since Jan 16 1891. Hanibal doesn't seem
to have mentioned this in the pre-1910 problems. In previous books
"Water" has been "Wet" and until now nothing seems to have contradicted
this convention even though it is not explicitly written.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2047/IMG_9552_0.jpg
It's
not always consistent but the Air temp is most often lower than the
"Water". It has been like this since Jan 16 1891. Hanibal doesn't seem
to have mentioned this in the pre-1910 problems. In previous books
"Water" has been "Wet" and until now nothing seems to have contradicted
this convention even though it is not explicitly written.
I
always transcribed the "Water" as Wet. The reason I didn't mention
"Air" being lower than "Water" is because this is something we're not
supposed to correct:
Do
NOT switch columns just because the wet bulb temperature is higher than
the dry bulb temperature. There may be other problems with these
records and the team wants to know about them.
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3191.msg51628#msg51628
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Quite so, Hanibal. This is what I did. I was just making a record of this for the benefit of the science team.
Have a good Christmas!
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It's not surprising that the captain finally enlisted him. The crew were always calling out "Ship Ahoy!"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2047/IMG_9601_1.jpg
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I just did two pages..felt very weird after all this time :o :D
Nice to know that they are still scribbling in the titles for the columns ::)
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It gets better in '92. Sometimes just one word. And they even offer some lat/longs occasionally.
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...And they even offer some lat/longs occasionally.
oh hey - now - I'm not sure I can manage that level of excitement.... ;) ;) ;D
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I almost lost my bearings ;D
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;D ;D ;D
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10th June 1896 Victoria B.C.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol027of055/vol027of055_167_1.jpg
...hello to the Patterson in Seattle
The Comd'g Officer, U.S.C.S. Patterson paid an official visit to the ship.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20108/IMG_1407_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20108/IMG_1407_1.jpg
;)
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Looks like you can believe the log keepers unless they are both cooking the books. ;D
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;D ;D ;D
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Where are you at in the logs, Helen?
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I ended up yesterday at December 21st 1887, Craig. Not likely
to do much more until early next week as I'm going to be away, with
meetings to go to and not much in the way of internet connection.
:(
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And in exciting news from the Patterson - we've finally made it to
75%! I was beginning to think we were stuck at 74% for ever.
And
something exciting actually happened on board as well, which is very
rare. It's 26th October 1888 and we're in Port Townsend, W.T. when
....
At 1.00pm noticed the flag on the Chilean ship, in port at
half mast with union down. Sent cutter in charge of Ensign McDonald to
find out whether they wanted assistance - he found that the crew had
mutinied. The cutter was then sent back in charge of Ensign Slocum with
boatswain and six men. Ensign Oliver reported the circumstances to the
municipal authorities ashore. Six men were taken ashore and turned over
to the municipal authorities.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2040/IMG_8900_1.jpg
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I am back on board now, Helen. We should make a percentage point every 2 weeks or so unless more transcribers join us.
The mutiny of the Chilean ship is indeed an exciting event for the Patterson.
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Welcome back, Craig! I'm afraid we're heading back to San
Francisco for the winter, but you'll be accustomed to that .... ;)
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I'm at March 1893, Helen, so I am looking forward to heading north soon.
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Ah, you're well ahead of me, that's good as we won't be getting in
each other's way (not that I would mind desperately ....) Apart
from knowing where we are, there's not really any problem with skipping
days. And as you know, we often spend a very long time in one
place so even that isn't often a problem.
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The science team will definitely not have a shortage of weather data for SF.
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Stuart's also rejoined the Patterson - he told me.
I think he's
in the third stream with Helen, but the time difference between you two
should be enough to work something out. He and I got along very well
when we were doing the Vicksburg together.
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Yes, I don't think it will be a problem. As you know,
Patterson has everything on one page, and there's usually not much to
transcribe except the weather, so skipping pages isn't much of a
difficulty. I'm just so glad to have some company again!
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On the days when I am not playing with the trains I usually start at 21:00 GMT so we should be OK.
Trains are on MY Tuesdays and Wednesdays. Planes on Saturdays. Boats the rest of the days.
One could sing, Trains and Boats and Planes are passing by. But I won't
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Oh, and I already posted all the officer's lists (but not the
regular crew info) in the Crew topic and all the thermometer/barometer
info in the appropriate topic, so no need to worry about that.
Plus,
there are numerous cases of pages being scanned twice for no apparent
reason - I reported all of them, starting here:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3383.msg101816#msg101816
You guys can use my posts from there as a reference if you like. There's quite a lot of duplicates.
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Thanks, Hanibal - I thought that was the case but it's good to have
it confirmed. And yes, Stuart, I'm very unlikely to be around at
21.00 GMT, so we should work well together.
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Hanibal, I have a different order of log books from what you show
here http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg72433#msg72433
After 31/03/1893 I jump to 01/01/1918
After 18/01/1918 I jump to 01/04/1897
I didn't get log book #56: 01/04/1893 - 30/06/1893
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After 18/01/1918 I jump to 01/04/1997
That's quite a jump!
Are you sure that is the same Patterson?
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Yes. It's only the log book #72 in Hanibal's list that is so far out of order. The next one, #75, reverts to April 1897.
I now see that Hanibal noted that #56 "doesn't appear to come up for transcription". He must have found it by URL editing.
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I now see that Hanibal noted that #56 "doesn't appear to come up for transcription". He must have found it by URL editing.
That is correct. I was able to access some, but not all of the log, via URL editing.
And it never appeared - so I changed the wording to "does not come up for transcription" for that one and some others.
After 18/01/1918 I jump to 01/04/1997
That's quite a jump!
Are you sure that is the same Patterson?
Just a typo. I've seen Craig do that before.
I corrected it.
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Ha, making fun of me, were you, Randi? Indeed, the Patterson
was renovated and converted into a nuclear-powered destroyer in 1990.
Strange that that doesn't appear in Naval History ;D
(Just kidding)
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Please tell me those logs aren't going to be added to what we've already got .... :'(
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Well, whatever gifts Patterson got for Christmas 1888 didn't include
ink! I've just got started on January 6th 1889, and it's all gone
very faint indeed. I can only hope that Santa is still on his way
and has a large bottle of ink in his sack for Patterson .... :(
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Hi Helen! The log keeper on the whaler Milo also reckoned that the
water from the bridge flower vase was good to use ::) I've
downloaded a program suggested by mapurves and which is brilliantly
useful. It's irfanview. If you're interested in details I'll send it on
to you. It makes it possible to read a copy of the page you're doing -
it won't do anything for the page you actually mark. But any port in a
storm eh? :)
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Thank you Joan - yes, please PM me the details. It seems to
depend a bit on which log keeper we have - one of them not only has
slightly better writing, but also appears to take a little more ink with
his water. But I would say that Santa has given them a miss ....
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Will do Helen - digging details out now :)
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I am on a bad log book now too http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2076/IMG_2089_0.jpg
They really were insensitive to our needs. :(
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Will do Helen - digging details out now :)
ouch got waylaid - back onto this now :o
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Hi Craig.
I am still back on 2041.
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This one, Stuart? http://2041.com/about-us
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No, not that one, but it is worth a good look at. ;)
They are using the same vessel as I went on to the North West Passage.
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I think Stuart means logbook 2041:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2041/IMG_8940_1.jpg
It's actually just logbook 41 - the 20 is part of the URL encoding %20, used to represent spaces in URLs.
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Good thing you asked, Stuart. I looked at Hanibal's list of log
books and saw that it was #76, which is a duplicate of #78. I was glad
to click though it. #78 is very clear.
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Property values are probably not very high in this location ;D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2078/IMG_2315_0.jpg
http://www.backwater.org/herring/history/MurderCove.html
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Do you mean that in deadly earnest Craig? ( ;D ;D ;D )
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No, it was a long shot, Joan. I'm not dead certain and I may be making a grave error in this supposition. :D
Of course, as Ogden Nash once wrote, it's not the cough that carries you off, it's the coffin they carry you off in.
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;D ;D ;D
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Good
thing you asked, Stuart. I looked at Hanibal's list of log books and
saw that it was #76, which is a duplicate of #78. I was glad to click
though it. #78 is very clear.
Any other of the duplicates that are a better choice?
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Not that I can tell but better ask Hanibal.
Here's his list http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg72433#msg72433
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The ones I marked as "Duplicate" are the rough logs, which should
never be transcribed unless the smooth logs are not available.
With most ships, the rough logs never got scanned in the first place. But the Patterson is not most ships.
Fortunately, most of the rough ones were later removed from the interface.
In a nutshell: Don't transcribe any of the ones I marked as DUPLICATE.
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Thanks, I now undersdtand.
I hope I can still remember when I get to them.
Have printed a list.
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Bad news. The Cosmos hit a rock and sunk.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2079/IMG_2397_1.jpg
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:o
How big is the Cosmos? It looks like they're going to try to raise it?
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It's one of their smaller boats they used for sending out survey
crews, Bob. They did succeed in raising it, but with some difficulty.
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But you can handle it ;D
Sure, I
can handle it - but what about everybody else? Craig abandoned this
vessel because he got bored of being in port for 7 months on end!
Besides, just because I can take it doesn't mean I like it - I don't!
In fact, I'm beginning to think this ship should have 4 stars!
I
should have stayed abandoned. I am now in the log book with the extra
temperature columns in centigrade. How did you fit 48 WRs on a single
page without going blind?
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I drew the boxes in a way that they all fit on the page: As high and
long as an ordinary WR row - in this case, from "Wind Direction" to
"Weather".
That leaves enough space to stick another box on the right for the extra temperatures in Celsius.
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That didn't occur to me. Thanks, Hanibal.
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Log book 41 finished, (ended 04 July 1889).
42 just started. NOTE change in position of the Ther. Attached to column after Barograph.
Also note (as probably noted before) hrs in PM go ..4, 5, 7, 6, 8, 9 .....
Do I do them as numbered above or follow down in hr sequence 5,6,7,8 ?
Don't expect to much more done by me as I/We start a 3 month caravan trip on Monday.
:)
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Ignore the 6-7 inversion of the printed hours, Stuart. You will see
in some cases that the log keeper crosses out the printed numbers and
writes the correct ones.
You're not taking your laptop with you on the caravan? Not being at home is no excuse. ;D
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Thanks for flagging up the latest Patterson peculiarities, Stuart -
never a dull moment .... ;D Have you any idea where we are? -
along with teeny tiny writing the latest log keeper spurns anything so
conventional as giving a location.
I'm not sure that you earn three months' shore leave even by this public service though .... Sounds like desertion to me!
Seriously, have a great time - sounds a great adventure.
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Thanks
for flagging up the latest Patterson peculiarities, Stuart - never a
dull moment .... ;D Have you any idea where we are? - along with
teeny tiny writing the latest log keeper spurns anything so conventional
as giving a location.
July 5 1889 we are in Alaska. (I know, that's not much help but some times it is SE Alaska which helps.) ;)
I'm not sure that you earn three months' shore leave even by this public service though .... Sounds like desertion to me!
X Public Service, 7 yrs retired, sprung deserting :-[
Seriously, have a great time - sounds a great adventure.
Will do, thanks.
I will occasionally look at the forum so please continue telling me how good I am. ;D
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You're good Stuart. :D :D :D Off you go then ;D
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You're good Stuart. :D :D :D Off you go then ;D
Ah, gee fanks Joan, I liked that. 8)
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Ignore
the 6-7 inversion of the printed hours, Stuart. You will see in some
cases that the log keeper crosses out the printed numbers and writes the
correct ones.
Scuse me for being late, just wanted to say that Craig is correct.
When this issue first popped up, Randi had to ask Philip to resolve it:
Alright,
I have to come to a conclusion: I will ignore the printing error - in
other words, I will transcribe as if these were perfectly normal logs,
and NOT follow strict TWYS.
I believe this is correct because it has
been explicitly corrected some of the time, and because it makes more
sense that way if you look at how the values go up or down - if you
assume the one right below 5 pm is always 6 pm, and the one just above 8
pm is always 7 pm, it just makes more sense.
Philip says:
I'm with Hanibal on this - this is an irrelevant typo that the logbook keeper effectively corrected for (by ignoring the error. Please transcribe the page as if the error had been explicitly corrected (as Hanibal is doing).
And thanks for the warning - I'll keep an eye out for the issue in other logs.
This affects the logs from July 5th 1889 to June 30th 1894. Then it stops.
Just another day on the USC&GSS Murphy's Law ;)
(Don't forget: There's a list of all them nasty problems in the very first post of this topic!)
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Oh, only five years with the 6- 7 inversion - certainly long enough
for me to get entirely accustomed to it and have to retrain myself when
it finally stops. Life is never dull ....
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It's even worse than that, Helen - the logs are out of order, so you
will first have to do July 5th 1889 to March 31st 1893 (volumes 42 to
55).
Then you jump forward to volume 75, which starts April 1st 1897, and have to do some really out-of-order ones until you finish volume 88.
Then
you jump back to volume 94 (DUPLICATE of 55!), and can do July 1st 1893
- June 30th 1894 (volumes 96 - 99, there's no volume 95).
So
you'll get used to it, then you'll have to retrain yourself, then you'll
have to get used to it again, then you'll have to retrain yourself
again!
(I am not trying to demoralize you or anybody else - honest!)
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And of course by the time I've done the next four years or so, I'll
have forgotten all about this post and will wonder what on earth is
going on! However I think I have fixed in my memory that the
beginning of this post is a good place to look when confused. I
think if I was going to get demoralized about Patterson I would have
made it by now .... :D And it has been very good
training at checking what's going on (now) and adjusting
accordingly. I find it doesn't take me long to settle into the
'new normal' - which is also helpful for transcribing on other ships.
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Helen, I highly recommend Michael's box-drawing script for doing
this ship especially. The script takes care of the hour for you so you
never make a mistake. The way it's set up now, when I finish a row I
press Alt and the numeric pad enter key. This saves the current row,
draws the box for the next row, automatically inserts the hour and puts a
tentative quote mark in Wind Direction. (The latter is highlighted so
that if you enter a wind direction it replaces the quote with what you
type but if there is a quote in the log - which there often is - you
just tab to the next column).
Today I did 30 pages in less time
than it used to take me to do 21 pages. It takes a while to get used to
it but once you do you will wonder why you didn't try it out before. I
also save time in checking before saving the page. Now I only scan the
temperatures on the sidebar looking for anomalies. There is no longer
any need to check the hours.
Michael has done a lot of fine
tuning with this script so it is easy to use once you get used to not
using the mouse. It has been well tested on Patterson logs.
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(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_4547.gif)(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_4547.gif)(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_4547.gif)
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I'll second Randi - it's a brilliant job - very helpful :)
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Grog all round! Patterson has made it to 80% - the finishing
line isn't exactly in sight, given the size of the logs, but we are
definitely on the downward slope .... :D :D :D
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Yes - we all deserve a good drink! :D
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The Patterson has a habit of driving one to drink 8)
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The muse of Patterson transcribers? ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/oxanQ4P.png)
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She looks far too tranquil! Any Patterson transcriber spends a
lot of time with their head in their hands as some new idiosyncrasy
rears its ugly head. Intravenous grog might be the answer ....
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Intravenous grog might to the trick ;D
She's the muse. She just sits there and looks pretty while we suckers do the hard work ;D
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Intravenous grog might to the trick ;D
She's the muse. She just sits there and looks pretty while we suckers do the hard work ;D
Can I assume, then, that OW is a gateway drug which leads to a more serious addiction? ;D
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There's a more serious addiction? :o
What is more serious than OW transcribing?
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Chocolate!
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Transcribing with chocolate is a difficult combination to beat - two addictions in one .... ;)
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Transcribing with chocolate is a difficult combination to beat - two addictions in one .... ;)
French dark chocolate with almonds and a cat.
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:o :o :o I got very confused by the relationship of the almonds, cat, and chocolate for a minute there ;D
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:o :o :o I got very confused by the relationship of the almonds, cat, and chocolate for a minute there ;D
:D :D :D
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Want almonds, want cat, want chocolate ;)
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Want almonds, want cat, want chocolate ;)
They're
in the mail. The black cat is Toby, the grey one is Lucy. Chocolates
and almonds in a separate package so they don't get covered in cat
hair. ;D
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Moving away from almonds, cats and chocolate (sorry) - we're always
thinking that we could do with a hand with Patterson - well have a look
at this page ....
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2042/IMG_9101_1.jpg
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;D
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3383.msg105210#msg105210
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;D ;D ;D
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Interesting that they are laying cement and bricks on the galley floor. Protection against fire?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20110/IMG_1628_1.jpg
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Hanibal, in your handy list of log books for the Patterson
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg72433#msg72433 you
have for #112 "April 1st -22nd 1896" but it should be 1897. It is still a
duplicate though and the reference to #75 is correct.
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Thanks Craig - must have been a typo. Skip through that one.
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It would seem so.
"Hot ashes have set fire to a wooden deck through four inches of cement." :o
Transactions
of the Society of Naval Architects and Marine Engineers, Volume 18
(https://books.google.com/books?id=RjtOAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA192&lpg=PA192&dq=navy+brick+galley+floor&source=bl&ots=WRgBkyoYLL&sig=fmpR-m9rVpqFx83ssCUbzhbwMJ4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjU5auI_5_NAhUDKB4KHZnHA18Q6AEITjAM#v=onepage&q=navy%20brick%20galley%20floor&f=false)
Interesting that they are laying cement and bricks on the galley floor. Protection against fire?
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This is the worst log book I have encountered in the Patterson.
Previously there was one like it but there was a duplicate that was much
clearer so we skipped through the bad one. Hanibal hasn't indicated
that such is the case for this one. Fortunately, we will be in Seattle
before long and there will be only 6 WRs per page.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20115/IMG_3633_0.jpg
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Log 115 is a little tricky - not only is it a rough one, but they also start recording the Dry and Wet temperatures in Celsius!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20115/IMG_3627_0.jpg
I have to make extra WR for these extra-accurate Celsius temperatures, because the other data also has a Dry temperature.
Fair enough. I added this to the oddity list as "Division signs in logs"
Wait - I think this was actually an unusual way to indicate temperatures below 0 C!
It makes sense if you look at the associated F temperature in the Air column.
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Yeah, I just saw those posts, Randi. It's going to be tough going
for the next dozen pages but there's (faint) light at the end of the
tunnel.
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Here's a log page somebody used to wipe their hands on.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20115/IMG_3651_0.jpg
Actually, it's pretty rough weather so they must have been holding on for dear life.
The
good news is that once in Seattle (two pages later) the images are
clearer and only 6 WRs per page. And I peeked ahead at the next log book
and it's virtual Nirvana. No more added fields! There is a definite
risk that I will become complacent ;D
I only have to finish December to be freed from this eye-clouding-mind-numbing-finger-fumbling-WR-warping work.
In
the meantime, it's Fathers' Day in the land of the beaver so, after
having been treated to nice breakfast by my daughter, I plan to spend
the rest of the day relaxing.
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There's been times when the writing was less visible than those grubby marks :D
Have a fine father's day :D
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Good to hear you say that, Joan. Helen will appreciate a bit of help
with the 3rd stream and you've made a good start at it. ;D
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Have I? Oh! - frankly I had no idea of where I was with
Patterson. I kind of didn't want to - every day a happy surprise
awaits - sort of ;) ;D :o
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Here's
a log page somebody used to wipe their hands on.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20115/IMG_3651_0.jpg
Actually, it's pretty rough weather so they must have been holding on for dear life.
The
good news is that once in Seattle (two pages later) the images are
clearer and only 6 WRs per page. And I peeked ahead at the next log book
and it's virtual Nirvana. No more added fields! There is a definite
risk that I will become complacent ;D
I only have to finish December to be freed from this eye-clouding-mind-numbing-finger-fumbling-WR-warping work.
In
the meantime, it's Fathers' Day in the land of the beaver so, after
having been treated to nice breakfast by my daughter, I plan to spend
the rest of the day relaxing.
Hope
you had a great Father's Day. And it's good to know that in a
mere year or so I may be in the fabled land of only 6WR! However
back in December 1889 (and guess where - Mare Island ...) it's still a
solid 24WRs. However the writing has got rather better again, so
there's always something to be glad about.
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Mare Island is such a nice place ::)
I am now past the
rough log and doing July 1901 in Dundas Bay, Alaska. It appears to be
clear sailing from now on but I won't count on it.
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Mare Island is such a nice place ::)
I
am now past the rough log and doing July 1901 in Dundas Bay, Alaska. It
appears to be clear sailing from now on but I won't count on it.
Very wise! ;D ;D
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Helen, you slipped past asterix135 and nobody even noticed! 8) 8) 8)
(or was it just me who wasn't paying attention?)
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Great job, Helen!
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Congratulations, Helen!
(It wasn't just you, Craig. I didn't notice either)
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(It wasn't just you, Craig. I didn't notice either) ;)
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I noticed at some point, but wasn't sure how long ago it had happened .... Thank you all for your congratulations!
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Cor!! Well done Helen. Perhaps Asterix might notice and come back to try to keep up with you folk! :)
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I have finished the Patterson. This sums up my feeling about her ;D
What a frustrating ship is the Patterson
Where consistency, it would seem, matters none
Long winters in Frisco
Where even the skiffs go
And the seven before six just shatters one
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(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_1851.gif) (http://www.desismileys.com/)
For both your scientific and your literary efforts!
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:o 8)
Great work!
I have finished the Patterson. This sums up my feeling about her ;D
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I have finished the Patterson. This sums up my feeling about her ;D
Fantastic Craig - congratulations! :D
I
think that few people plodding our streets can imagine how heroic are
the efforts of all OldWeatheres, and the fight that the Patterson log
has put up to not be understood has been epic. (She's not alone in that for sure, there's plenty left being worked on. ;) ;))
Well done again Craig!
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Well done Craig - what a feat of perseverance! I hope the odd
other transcriber (or even any not odd transcribers around) might come
to join me on the long slog towards completion ....
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Many congratulations, Craig!
That limerick is brilliant - exactly what I remember her being like.
I
hope the odd other transcriber (or even any not odd transcribers
around) might come to join me on the long slog towards completion ....
I think Stuart will, but he's still on his huge Oz Tour right now. I'll ask him when he gets back.
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Hurray for you, Craig!
What's next on your bucket list?
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Thanks everybody. You are right, Joan. There are lot's of difficult
log books. I remember the Yukon wasn't much fun a times - especially
when the Yukon wasn't even the Yukon. What was it again? Mary-Ann or
something like that? What bothered me the most with the Patterson logs
was not the 7 before 6 but the temperature before pressure. It will take
me a while to unlearn that.
I guess I will go back to the
Unalga, as long as it doesn't interfere with Matteo's transcribing. I
stopped at 1919 and it looks like he's now at 1929.
I've already
set up the box-draw parameters for it, Michael. It looks like there's a
lot of empty space on the page where I am now.
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Well
done Craig - what a feat of perseverance! I hope the odd other
transcriber (or even any not odd transcribers around) might come to join
me on the long slog towards completion ....
I'll
drop by for old time's sake...it would be break from slaughtering
whales. Actually it'll make a break from hauling boats in and out of the
water after fruitless whale chases - my arms are killing me - I'll look
like Popeye soon ;) ;) ;)
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You will be very welcome on board, Joan. And assuming you're
in the same stream as me, which I think you must be now that both
hanibal and Craig have finished, we are at least not at Mare
Island! And nothing gets slaughtered (except the rules for filling
in log books ....)
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See my message, Helen. I've jumped ship from Yorktown and the
Philippines, and I am now that chilly old man poring over your poorly
written logbooks. ;)
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You will be very welcome on board, Joan.
Okey dokey :D
And
assuming you're in the same stream as me, which I think you must be now
that both hanibal and Craig have finished, we are at least not at Mare
Island!
Okey dokey :D
And nothing gets slaughtered (except the rules for filling in log books ....)
::) ::) ;D ;D ;D
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See
my message, Helen. I've jumped ship from Yorktown and the Philippines,
and I am now that chilly old man poring over your poorly written
logbooks. ;)
but Michael - what will happen to all that freedom that you have to bring to every 10 sq cm of the Philippines at gun point ;D
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See
my message, Helen. I've jumped ship from Yorktown and the Philippines,
and I am now that chilly old man poring over your poorly written
logbooks. ;)
but Michael - what will happen to all that freedom that you have to bring to every 10 sq cm of the Philippines at gun point ;D
Hmmmm.
Good point, I hadn't thought about that... ;D So many
things to do, so little time. Mind you, thanks to the miracles of OW, I
am now in Alaska in 1890, and the Spanish American War doesn't start for
another eight years, so I have lots of time before I have to worry
about bringing freedom and democracy to the Philippines...
:)
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Mind
you, thanks to the miracles of OW, I am now in Alaska in 1890, and the
Spanish American War doesn't start for another eight years, so I have
lots of time before I have to worry about bringing freedom and democracy
to the Philippines... :)
But when the Patterson's logs end, you will be in 1905 - seven years after the war ended!
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Wow that means that Michael will arrive before he left or something
like that. Did I sign up to transcribe logbooks, or for time
travel...hmmmm..
(http://i.imgur.com/rOHeMec.png)
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Yes! ;D
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Yes! ;D
;D ;D ;D
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Why the Event Pages are sometimes worth reading...
From San Francisco, 09 Dec 1890 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2045/IMG_9399_1.jpg)
By order of Com'd'g officer J. Anderson (Sea) was pleased in double irons for three days for insolence to petty officer
;D ;D ;D
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Trust Patterson to be different! :D :D :D
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::)
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;D ;D ;D What a cracker.
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The officers and crew on Patterson seem to have difficulty handling
their emotions. One man was pleased in double irons, and now this from
12 Oct 1890 at San Francisco
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2046/IMG_9512_1.jpg)...
HMS. Nymphe came in and anchored at 745 Official visit was mad and returned
Did
they not serve drinks? Was the tea insipid and cold? Or was it just a
case of a crazy time on the visit and not being angry at all? ;D
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;D
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;D ;D
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Maybe this guy was the visitor?
(http://www.alice-in-wonderland.net/wp-content/uploads/mad-hatter-4.jpg)
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;D
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;D ;D ;D
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How is it possible? Somehow the logbook printers were in collusion -
the afternoon times are misprinted. I mean that it just sooooo spooky.
:o
Back in a minute to confirm the pages affected - they'll be in this discussion somewhere too no doubt. :)
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Yeah, it goes on for many years until the faulty log books are all used up along with our brains.
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It affects logs from July 5th 1889 to June 30th 1894. But as the
logs are out of order, you will first do some with the error, then some
without it, then the rest of the ones with it.
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I think this is what you are referring to?
Hanibal94 has it noted in the first post ;)
Printing
errors in the logbooks: Description
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg105920#msg105920)
and solution.
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3340.msg105967#msg105967)
Affects logs from July 5th 1889 to June 30th 1894.
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Ah - you all got there before me (the phone's been going and going
and going). Ah - year's worth eh? hehehe - so 'Patterson'!
;D
JUST to clarify then...you note the hours as going in strict
numerical order rather than the printed order? And that way, as hanibal
says, the temperatures match the usual flow across the day?
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Ah
- you all got there before me (the phone's been going and going and
going). Ah - year's worth eh? hehehe - so 'Patterson'! ;D
JUST
to clarify then...you note the hours as going in strict numerical order
rather than the printed order? And that way, as hanibal says, the
temperatures match the usual flow across the day?
You got it. They ignored the printed values, and so do we. ;D
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Cool - it's sort of poetic justice with the Patterson :D
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Yes, and I even mentioned it in my limerick (7 before 6) ;D
Subtle
hint: if you use Michael's box draw routine it takes care of the hours
so you can't go wrong. But don't let me pressure you. ;)
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Forgot about that - must get into using it...no such fun quick stuff on Whaling ;)
Just got this cryptic comment:
Enlisted for the cruise of special service Ah Hu (Lds)
https://classic.oldweather.org/transcribe/50874f4d09d4090755026717
Intruiging :o
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That link doesn't work for me.
I think you mean http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2047/IMG_9567_1.jpg ?
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Forgot about that - must get into using it...no such fun quick stuff on Whaling ;)
Just got this cryptic comment:
Enlisted for the cruise of special service Ah Hu (Lds)
https://classic.oldweather.org/transcribe/50874f4d09d4090755026717
Intruiging :o
You'll see that statement Enlisted for the cruise of special service quite often. I understand it to mean that he's signed up for the next cruise. I read his name of Ah Hee, but ... ?
There
have been several people with Chinese sounding names enlisting for the
cruise of special service. One of them was rate Sea, but all the others
were rated Lds.
Michael
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Oh - is that all? I was expecting a James Bond type trip of great derring-do. Oh well... ::) ;) :D
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Patterson, San Francisco, April 5, 1891
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2047/IMG_9634_1.jpg)
The
observation of Thermometer ?Air? & W.B. after Jany 10th 1891 are
not to be relied upon on account of the inaccuracy of the instruments
used.
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I wonder what happened on that fateful day in Jany 1891 ::)
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I have no idea - the Events pages for Jan 10th and 11th 1891 don't
say anything. Biggest thing is the receiving of 6 dozen buttons.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2047/IMG_9544_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2047/IMG_9545_1.jpg
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Patterson, San Francisco, April 5, 1891 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2047/IMG_9634_1.jpg)
The
observation of Thermometer ?Air? & W.B. after Jany 10th 1891 are
not to be relied upon on account of the inaccuracy of the instruments
used.
It's classic Patterson that they've only just noticed .... ???
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::) ::) ::)
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Mare Island Navy Yard (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2051/IMG_9550_1.jpg)
27 Nov 1891
And then there are days like this:
Broke out sail room - found it infested with rats that had eaten holes in some of the sails.
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Mare Island Navy Yard (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2051/IMG_9550_1.jpg)
27 Nov 1891
And then there are days like this:
Broke out sail room ? found it infested with rats that had eaten holes in some of the sails.
UURGH!
I think I know what some of the men are going to be doing over the
winter in Mare Island .... Pass the needle.
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Hmmm - sorry Caro but this has to be said, sack the ship's cat! :o ;) ;D
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It may be the lack of a cat which has got them into this state in the first place!
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Fair point! I suspect that they well decide to remedy that situation - it's easier to pet a cat that darn a canvas sail :D
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They may be able to lure an experienced cat from another ship with an offer of better terms and conditions .... ;D
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They may be able to lure an experienced cat from another ship with an offer of better terms and conditions .... ;D
I have a couple that I'd be willing to donate to the cause! :o ;D
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They may be able to lure an experienced cat from another ship with an offer of better terms and conditions .... ;D
For example a nice comfy bed made of shredded sail fabric ;D
They may be able to lure an experienced cat from another ship with an offer of better terms and conditions .... ;D
I have a couple that I'd be willing to donate to the cause! :o ;D
CVs and references before interview please ;D
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Boys will be boys
San Francisco 02 April 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2052/IMG_9593_1.jpg)
An
Agent of Police came on board in Search of A. Soderstrom (sea), whom he
desired to place under arrest for assaulting J. Lambert (Sea), but A.
Soderstrom had gone ashore on liberty - Word came of later that A.
Soderstrom had been arrested.
This
just in: 04 April 1892
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2052/IMG_9595_1.jpg)
;)
Descharged
from this ship and the Naval service A Soderstrom (sea.) his services
being no longer required. Enlisted for the cruise from this date Ah Wee
(sea)
The
saga continues: 07 April 1892
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2052/IMG_9598_1.jpg)
:o
J. Lambert. (Sea) was discharged from City Hospital and returned on board.
End of the saga: 09 April 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2052/IMG_9600_1.jpg)
Discharged J. Lambert for reason of his services being no longer required
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Naughty naughty!! At least they were in San Francisco rather
than some far flung part of the world - though perhaps a life on the
open wave wasn't really for them? ;) ::)
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San Francisco, 15 December 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2054/IMG_9870_1.jpg)
Best name ever!
Ah-Dont (Lds) was discharged from this ship and from the Naval service by reason of service no longer required.
I guess no meant NO. ;D
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;D
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;D ;D
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16 April 1897 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2075/IMG_2001_1.jpg).
I think it interesting that the US Coast Guard is establishing a tidal station and building a house in Canadian waters.
Stopped
at Maud I. and landed the Hydrographic Inspector, the Captain and Lieut
Hoggatt to establish tidal station. At 10:30 proceeded through Seymour
Narrows and anchored in Plumper Bay.
At
3:00 spread fires and at 3:45 got underway and stood toward Seymour
Narrows with cutter and whale boat in tow loaded with lumber for house
for tide observers. At 4:00 let go boats off cove to north of Maud Is.
In
Seymour Narrows finishing landing lumber for house for tide observers
and awaiting return of boats. Returned to Plumper Bay and at 5:25
anchored in 11 fathoms water, soft bottom, veering to 25 fathoms on port
chain. Banked fires.
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I guess the two coastal services probably shared work between them? All friends in the scheme of things? :)
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And Patterson has reached 90% complete - it's been a long time
coming, but it's extra tots of rum all round for all Patterson
transcribers past and present. :D :D :D
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Cheeeeersh - thash kind of you - hic!
(http://i.imgur.com/hcXg4ak.gif?1)
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extra tots of rum all round for all Patterson transcribers past and present. :D :D :D
After you have done your day's work ;)
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extra tots of rum all round for all Patterson transcribers past and present. :D :D :D
After you have done your day's work ;)
Can I stop now, huh? Huh? Please!!! ;)
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Belt and braces at Sitka -
Found the wharf in a shaky condition and ran lines to the shore.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2075/IMG_2022_1.jpg
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:D :D :D
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And
Patterson has reached 90% complete - it's been a long time coming, but
it's extra tots of rum all round for all Patterson transcribers past and
present. :D :D :D
Great news - I look forward to seeing you guys finish her off!
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And
Patterson has reached 90% complete - it's been a long time coming, but
it's extra tots of rum all round for all Patterson transcribers past and
present. :D :D :D
Great news - I look forward to seeing you guys finish her off!
We have about 50,000 WRs to go. It's probably two or three months away, but we'll persevere. ;)
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July 8, 1897 Off Cape Edgecumbe, Alaska.
Some days are just like that ;)
At
8..21 commenced running lines of sounding off Cape Edgecumbe. At 9..40
ran out 400 fathoms on Thomson machine and found no bottom, when reeled
in found ?depth recorder? crushed by pressure. Rigged boat machine and
at 10.20 began running lines of sounding with it. In getting one
sounding splice of wire clipped and lost 400 fathoms wire.
As
a matter of interest, I looked at a couple of US Nautical Charts and
the depth of water off Cape Edgecumbe gets as deep as 73 fathoms
(which is 438 feet) but nowhere near 400 fathoms until you get about
five miles off the point and the depths drop rapidly from 100 fathoms to
400 and then over 1,000 fathoms. :)
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Helen J blows past the 50,000 mark!
Well done, Helen!!!
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Congratulations!
Have you been using Michael's box drawing script, Helen? I think your transcribing rate has gone up.
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Good work, Helen!
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Great stuff, Helen!
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(http://i.imgur.com/cbvEEkc.png)
Many congratulations Helen! That's an amazing number!
:D :D :D
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Sitka, Alaska. 03 October 1897 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2079/IMG_2397_1.jpg).
Yea Concord!!!
At
12:20 H. L. Ford (yeo) and C. Eklund (sea) returned aboard bringing
information from Lieut. Hoggatt that the Cosmos had fouled a rock and
sunk in Bear Bay about 11 P.M. of the 1st Oct. A diving outfit and the
services of three divers were secured from the U.S.S. Concord, and 25
barrels from shore were gotten on board to be used in raising the
Cosmos. Received also two lengths of suction hose from the Concord.
Borrowed from Governor Brady a lighter with portable derrick and secured
it along side. At 1:45 sent the Reynard with Dr. Sone and outfit of
medicines and stores to Bear Bay. At 2:35 the Steamer Dora came in.
Hoisted Vixen and made preparations for leaving early tomorrow morning.
At 3:30 P.M. the Str. Wigwam left the harbor to render such assistance
to the Cosmos and crew as possible.
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Sitka, Alaska. 04 Oct 1897 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2079/IMG_2398_1.jpg).
If it isn't one thing, it's another. ;)
Spread
fires at 5:00 and turned engines at 5:50. At 6:30 got under way and
stood out of the harbor bound for Bear Bay. When getting about a mile
from Sitka the lighter was unable to stand the strain of towing and gave
away. Towed it back to Sitka and landed it on the beach in the place
from which it was obtained yesterday. Then after turning ship in
Jamestown Bay stood down to pick up boats. At end of watch abreast wharf
at Japonski Island awaiting boats? return.
Went
ahead at 8:50 proceeded to Bear Bay. the pilot conning. Anchored in
Bear Bay at 11:03 14 fms. water 18 fms. chain, starboard anchor. Ran
quarter line to the beach near Cosmos.
Hove
up the stbd anchor and then moored ship so as to haul the stern over
the bow of the Cosmos. At 1:10 the diver went down to examine the Cosmos
and reported her resting easily on her stbd side; he then went down and
made fast the lines for raising the Cosmos. The diver stopped work at
3.45
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Bear Bay, Alaska. 05 Oct 1897.
At 7:40 the diver began work and stopped at 11:30.
Try, try, try again...
At
1.25 the Str. Wigwam came along side to assist in pumping out the
Cosmos. At 2:10 began heaving up on lifting lines which at 2:30 slipped
from underneath, over her bows and allowed the boat to settle down
again. Sent diver down and rove off new lashings and backing lines. At
5:40 made another attempt to raise Cosmos but owing to tide being too
high, lowered her again and allowed her to rest as before. Hauled out
ship clear of lines and secured everything for the night preparatory to
making another attempt tomorrow morning.
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Bear Bay, Alaska. 06 Oct 1897 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2079/IMG_2400_1.jpg).
Do or do not, there is no try... Yoda
At
5:35 began lifting the Cosmos; got her above water and with the
assistance of the pumps of the Steamer Wigwam cleared and floated her.
Stopped pumping at 7:45. At 8:00 the Wigwam left towing the schooner
North Star. During remainder of watch crew engaged in overhauling,
cleaning and drying out the Cosmos. Hove up port anchor and cast off
starboard quarter line. Secured the Cosmos alongside preparatory to
towing her to Sitka.
The trip back to Sitka was uneventful. :)
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;D ;D ;D
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Port Chester (Metlakatla) Alaska, 12 Oct 1897
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2079/IMG_2406_1.jpg).
The Captain went ashore to investigate reports concerning the locality of the wreck of the Mexico.
The
S.S. Mexico ran onto West Devil Rock
(http://www.geonames.org/6327304/west-rock.html) on August 5, 1897 at
6:30 A.M. The report, which is quite interesting, is here
(https://research.archives.gov/id/298282).
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Oh dear - that makes an uncomfortable report :-[ :o :-[
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Naval Shipyard Puget Sound to Seattle Washington. 22 Oct 1897
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2079/IMG_2416_1.jpg)
Sometimes there are these little mysteries...
At
1:00 stopped and sent boats ashore to gather food for the two deer,
starting ahead again at 2:00. At 3:35 moored to buoy in Seattle harbor.
Banked fires.
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New mascots? ???
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Port Angeles 24 Oct 1897 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2079/IMG_2418_1.jpg)
At
1:10 discovered the schooner Ellanina Johnson to be on fire. Sent a
party which extinguished the fire. The fire-party returned at 2:15
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Heavens, life on board Patterson is getting positively
interesting! I'll be fascinated to hear whether there's any more
mention of the deer - my thoughts are whether they're food on the hoof,
or being taken back for a zoo or scientists. But we may never know
....
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New mascots? ???
Well
that would be a first in my book. Strange number though. Deer are
sociable within their own kind so I guess one would be hopeless,
it's not the start of breeding stock though is it - just 2. We may never
know :-\
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Here's something I haven't come across before:
Received from C.J. Hendry 50 lbs soap, salt water, and 50 lbs soap, fresh water.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2080/IMG_2559_1.jpg
I suppose it does make sense that soap might work differently in different kinds of water ....
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I saw a similar entry in the Jamestown logs recently. I'd never
thought much about it, but the salt apparently keeps 'regular' soap from
doing its job effectively. (Wiki article)
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saltwater_soap)
I suppose it does make sense that soap might work differently in different kinds of water ....
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While sitting quietly in harbour at San Francisco bothering no-one,
Patterson had an unfortunate encounter with a bark (her spelling) ....
At
4.25 the bark Martha Davis fouled the head booms, carried away the jib
boom and lower port boom. She veered chain and cleared without further
damage. About twenty minutes later she fouled this vessel's bow again:
got along the port side and secured. Made signals for tugs at request of
Captain of the Martha Davis; and two responded and hauled her off after
considerable damage to fore mast and rigging. See note below by
executive officer. The Davis fouled this vessel by dragging across
our bow.
This is the note by the executive officer:
Damage
done to this vessel by the fouling of the bark Martha Davis: Carried
away Jibboom, fore topmast, port lower boom and Dolphin striker, port
fore chain, port light box, scroll and cut water. Slightly injured upper
topsaid yard. Several planks on port side damaged. Following gear
carried away. Flying jib guy, topsail down hauler, fore brace port fore
lift, Bobstays. Destroyed two cork and wooden fenders. Carried away
crutch for lower boom, ash chute, stem split upper part.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2080/IMG_2567_1.jpg
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More of a mess than Patterson's logs! I bet someone got it in the
ear for that calamity. That's more than a few hours of repair
work. :o
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Yes, I think the Captain of the Martha Davis was probably lying low for a while ....
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;D ;D ;D
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Oakland Creek, California. 22 Aug 1898
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2084/IMG_2960_1.jpg).
At
2:30 P.M. the ?Blairmore? in tow of tug ?Sea Queen? collided with the
stern of the ?McArthur? bending two eyebolts and slightly bruising the
moulding in their vicinity.
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Oakland Creek 25 August 1898 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2084/IMG_2963_1.jpg)
Look at us, turning the other cheek, and doing unto others etc etc. ;D
At
4:00 P.M. steam launch from the U.S.S. ?Bennington? came alongside
gangway and stove skiff in beyond repair. Gave launch about 60 lbs. of
coal. Told coxswain to report accident to his commanding officer.
Reported affair to Comdg. Officer of this vessel.
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Maybe they gave them damp coal. ;)
Look at us, turning the other cheek, and doing unto others etc etc. ;D
At
4:00 P.M. steam launch from the U.S.S. ?Bennington? came alongside
gangway and stove skiff in beyond repair. Gave launch about 60 lbs. of
coal. Told coxswain to report accident to his commanding officer.
Reported affair to Comdg. Officer of this vessel.
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Congratulations to us on making it to 92%! I know we don't
normally celebrate every percentage point, but on Patterson every little
counts.
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That's 5 percentage points since I left you in mid July. Great work! 8)
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That is great news, and you all deserve 10/10 for perserverance ;) ;) ;D
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I know we don't normally celebrate every percentage point, but on Patterson every little counts.
Yes, it does! Keep it up!
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A little bit of drama on 6th May 1900, while in Seattle:
Gustave
Sacleus Sea, at 10:20 while in double irons and chained to a ring-bolt
in the after part of the starboard alley-way, wrenched the ring-bolt
free from its fastening and went forward. Later, he is reported to
have thrown a sixty-pound shot overboard.
Gustave Sacleus At 3:00 secured him to the starboard anchor chain forward part of the windlass.
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A little bit of drama on 6th May 1900, while in Seattle:
Gustave
Sacleux Sea, at 10:20 while in double irons and chained to a ring-bolt
in the after part of the starboard alley-way, wrenched the ring-bolt
free from its fastening and went forward. Later, he is reported to
have thrown a sixty-pound shot overboard.
Gustave Sacleux At 3:00 secured him to the starboard anchor chain forward part of the windlass.
And the next day:
Gustave
Sacleux Seaman, at 11:00 was transferred to C.S. Str Pathfinder to
await the action of the Dept of U.S. C & G Survey.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2087/IMG_3249_1.jpg
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That sounds like one angry man :( I hope they found some help for him. :-\
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That sounds like one angry man :( I hope they found some help for him. :-\
I hope I haven't influenced the crew because of all my time on USS Concord! :-[
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That sounds like one angry man :( I hope they found some help for him. :-\
I hope I haven't influenced the crew because of all my time on USS Concord! :-[
;D ;D ;D
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At sea, 11 Oct 1899 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2088/IMG_3322_1.jpg)
What
an exciting life we lead. A few days back we put a seaman put in
double irons for being drunk and disorderly. No biggee for the Concord,
but Patterson!?! And now stowaways:
Called
all hands to muster and found the following stowaways aboard, Jas.
Kirk, Harry Tucker, Herman Thirl and Wm Warren, claiming to be
shipwrecked from ?Laurada?, also took on board Thos. Short, Chr. Eng?r,
F. O. Maem, 1st Asst., W.T. Dodge, 2nd Asst., and G. Morgan, 3d Asst.,
All from ?Laurada?.
At least we put them to good use! ;D
Released
A. Eckman (Sea) from double irons, by order of Comd?g Officer, having
served 1 ? days. Assigned Jas. Kirk & Harry Tucker, stowaways, to
duty in Fire room, & Herman Thirl and Wm Warren to duty on deck.
I could find a reference to a book that referred to the SS Laurada, but not the reference itself.
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You've had a remarkable affect on the crew Michael..perhaps we
should cut out all of the middle men of yesteryear and put you in double
irons? ;) ;) ;D
I managed to find this detail about your stowaways- and it mentions the Corwin!:
http://www.boem.gov/uploadedFiles/BOEM/About_BOEM/BOEM_Regions/Alaska_Region/Ships/2011_Shipwreck.pdf
Vessel : Laurada
Type, Length/Tons : Steamer
Date : 9/28/1899
Location : Zapadni Point, St.George Island, Pribilof Islands.
Event
Narrative : Vessel sprang a leak, ran ashore, and was stranded. Revenue
cutter Corwin rescued passengers and
crew.
Sources : CR, Andrews, MCC, Stirling, Huber, Rogan Faitharticle, NAWRL
And
it looks like there was a lot of it about. In amongst the clear
annoyance of British Columbia being very sniffy about those Republican
skally-waggs further south, it turns out that Laurada had the
recipient's experience of stowaways:
(http://i.imgur.com/a1RHeaj.png)
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Good for you, Joan, persisting on the search fro Laurada! Thank you.
Bye
the way, the Canadian authorities didn't want to get swamped by
American gold seekers in the Yukon, which is why they imposed so many
restrictions. They were afraid, and rightly so, that the number of
Americans would become so great that the Yukon Territory would become a
US territory. ;)
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Patterson does seem especially prone to being run into by other
ships - it's happened again. 2nd November 1899 in Seattle.
"At
7.55 during thick fog Ferry Boat City of Seattle ran into us on our
port quarter, cutting through six timbers and carrying away mizzen chain
plates, wrecking four rooms in Ward Room. No leaks."
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2088/IMG_3344_1.jpg
And the next day:
"At
10.00 U.S. Local Inspector with Manager of Ferry Company came on board
and held survey on damage sustained from ferry boat yesterday."
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2088/IMG_3345_1.jpg
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Good for you, Joan, persisting on the search fro Laurada! Thank you.
Bye
the way, the Canadian authorities didn't want to get swamped by
American gold seekers in the Yukon, which is why they imposed so many
restrictions. They were afraid, and rightly so, that the number of
Americans would become so great that the Yukon Territory would become a
US territory. ;)
Ah!
That makes sense given the content of that article. I guess they
probably imposed some form of trade ban on exporting gold ;)
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Patterson does seem especially prone to being run into by other ships - it's happened again. 2nd November 1899 in Seattle.
"At
7.55 during thick fog Ferry Boat City of Seattle ran into us on our
port quarter, cutting through six timbers and carrying away mizzen chain
plates, wrecking four rooms in Ward Room. No leaks."
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2088/IMG_3344_1.jpg
And the next day:
"At
10.00 U.S. Local Inspector with Manager of Ferry Company came on board
and held survey on damage sustained from ferry boat yesterday."
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2088/IMG_3345_1.jpg
:o I wonder if she had a bit of a reputation with the sailors? ;D
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Someone needed to tell them not to park in the middle of the channel. ;)
Patterson does seem especially prone to being run into by other ships - it's happened again.
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;D ;D ;D
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Sitka, Alaska 29 August 1893 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2096/IMG_0154_1.jpg)
Just saying, "No!" to free enterprise!
Delivered
to civil authorities on warrant by Dist. Commissioner, Jacob Erickson
(Seaman) on charge of giving and selling liquor to Indians.
Two
days later Mr. Erickson was discharged from the Patterson and the Naval
Service, along with two others, as their services were no longer
required. ;)
Is that the Politically Correct phrase for, "You're fired!"? ;D
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No longer required
Or no longer desired
The result is the same
You're fired.
;) ;D
Two
days later Mr. Erickson was discharged from the Patterson and the Naval
Service, along with two others, as their services were no longer
required. ;)
Is that the Politically Correct phrase for, "You're fired!"? ;D
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The Donald couldn't have put it better ;D
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I'll probably be hearing from his lawyers. :-X
The Donald couldn't have put it better ;D
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Not quite PWYS - Post What You See ;)
This just in,
Patterson, Mare Island, 22 Dec 1893
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2097/IMG_0277_1.jpg).
Discharged from Naval Service Ah F~~~ (W.R. Stewd) and Ah Moon
(Cabin Cook) their service being no longer required.
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If that was from today, I would think "That HAS to be a racist joke!"
But it's not, so I guess it's real. :o :o ;D ;D
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That surname is an anglisization of the surname 'Fuk' which simply
means 'Luck', and which he and Mr Moon had clearly run out of ;)
Ah - that's a shame ;)
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A jolly convention.
Patterson, Bear, Corwin, Grant and
Albatross all in Port Townsend on 25 April 1894
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2099/IMG_0427_1.jpg)!
What are the odds?
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Wow, the gang was all there! 8)
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String out the bunting and have a party! ;D ;D ;D
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San Francisco 15 September 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20100/IMG_0580_1.jpg)
A terriffic stench from the Petrero caused much annoyance and discomfit.
::)
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They went to heavy on the baked beans. :D
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Maybe Potrero (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potrero_Point)?
I bet those mills could be odoriferous. ;)
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Maybe Potrero (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potrero_Point)?
I bet those mills could be odoriferous. ;)
Could
have been and it does make sense. They were at the Union Iron Works
which is at Potrero Point. However, I did have to go with their
spelling. ;)
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Patterson,
Bear, Corwin, Grant and Albatross all in Port Townsend on 25 April 1894
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2099/IMG_0427_1.jpg)!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_120_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol075/vol075_010_1.jpg
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I hope they had a jolly good party :D
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Patterson is steaming ahead - now at 95%. Having lollia
paolina as part of the crew has increased our rate of progress no end!
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I'm not sure if it's a case of people not learning from their
mistakes, or it's a case of giving someone the benefit of the doubt:
Seattle, 15 April 1901
J. J. McAvoy (Sea) was discharged from this vessel, being undesirable.
He was also discharged in July/Aug 1896 after being late on several liberties and returning drunk on one occasion. :o
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Helen J has passed the 60,000 mark!!!
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(http://previews.123rf.com/images/milo827/milo8271210/milo827121000022/15700928-Isolated-angel-character-with-halo-and-wings-Stock-Vector-angel-cartoon.jpg)
;D
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I second Randi's comment ;D Well done, Helen!
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Woooohooo Helen - that's impressive - truly impressive !!!
;D ;D ;D
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Thank you all - it's a lot on one ship, but Patterson has a lot for one ship!
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Patterson, Seattle, November 5, 1900
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20115/IMG_3659_0.jpg)
The
following men were this day discharged from this vessel and the Naval
Service in accordance Act of Congress June 7, 1900, viz:- Chas Anderson
(Sea) ... & Tsuda Walda (M. Att.) = 45 in all.
I
looked briefly for a reference to the Act of Congress June 7, 1900 that
would require them to all be discharged, but I gave up after a few
minutes.
Naturally, many of them will be enlisted on the next day :'( :'( :'(
It's
really hard typing while lying sideways on one's desk with a magnifying
glass in one hand and a cat rubbing his head on the other... ;D
;D ;D
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;D
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And Patterson has reached 100 pages of Questions and Comments - is this another record? ;D ;D
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Concord has 101. ;D
And Patterson has reached 100 pages of Questions and Comments - is this another record? ;D ;D
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Hah! Now I know why this writing is so bad... (spelling, too)
A.
E. Brisman Chf. Writer, returned on board drunk & unfit for duty -
& was quarintined for 15 days by order of Comd?g Officer
;D ;D ;D ;D
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:o
;D ;D ;D
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And has this resulted in any improvement to the writing and spelling?
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And has this resulted in any improvement to the writing and spelling?
That's hopeful helen ;D
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Seattle, 19 December 1901 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20117/IMG_3904_1.jpg)
12:30
the Sound Steamer ?Lacumes? drifted broadside on across the bows of
this vessel and the ?Gedney? bearing off ~~ the Patterson?s dolphin
striker & the Gedney?s bowsprit.
We were tied up at a dock at the time, with USCGSS Gedney tied up alongside.
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Sounds like something for Shipopoly ;)
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Sounds like something for Shipopoly ;)
Well,
Joan would have to make a new card, and then tell Hanibal, and submit
proper paperwork to the rules committtee, and it would need to be
debated with a proper motion, and a call to order, and there would need
to be a quorum and...
BTW the system is down yet again...
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:P
:P
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Sounds like something for Shipopoly ;)
Well,
Joan would have to make a new card, and then tell Hanibal, and submit
proper paperwork to the rules committtee, and it would need to be
debated with a proper motion, and a call to order, and there would need
to be a quorum and...
BTW the system is down yet again...
I
better get going then - with all that paper work to do we might just
get a change through as OW closes down -i.e. years and years and years (
;) )
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Seattle, 30 October 1902 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20120/IMG_4099_1.jpg)
At
130 a large dredger in tow of one small tug drifted down upon the bow
of this vessel. The bull-rope was cast off and the starboard standing
boom rigged in, and ninety fathoms of chain veered. A line was passed
over the stern to the ?Reynard? and she steamed full speed, thus causing
the chain to veer more rapidly. The dredger finally lowered her
swinging ? arm across the buoy which prevented any further drift.
Shortly after a second tow-boat took hold of the dredger but at 1:55
both tugs proceeded down the Sound with their tow. The slack chain was
then taken up. No damage resulted.
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9th November 1902, Seattle - a bit of drama.
Special launch
left ship at 1 pm, Mr Giacomini in charge. When approaching shore two
men were discovered in the water near coal bunkers. Launch immediately
went to their rescue and succeeded in reaching them just in time. Both
were exhausted and about to sink notwithstanding a crowd of nearly 100
spectators gave no assistance. Hired boat in which they were when
capsized was towed to ship to await owners call for it.
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Well that's a shocker!! Three immense cheers for the Patterson -
despite all we've said about them when the chips were down they were
there to save lives.
Hurrah! For the Patterson Heroes!
:D :-* :D
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(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_3266.gif) (http://www.desismileys.com/)
Shipopoly... ;)
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Seattle, 17 November 1902 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20120/IMG_4117_1.jpg)
Proof that all the crew aren't losers...
The
name of G. Osterberg, Sea., quarantined from Nov. 8 to 25, inclusive,
was placed on the liberty list and quarantine raised on account of good
conduct and aptitude. The foregoing action was approved by the
Commanding Officer.
Carrots and sticks. Sticks and carrots... ;)
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Maybe you are being a good influence, Michael ;)
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Maybe you are being a good influence, Michael ;)
It was my basic training, "Nothing succeeds like violence!" ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Seattle, December 12, 1902 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20120/IMG_4142_1.jpg)
Who says we don't do our paperwork!
Hung
Chung, Officer?s Cook, was this day discharged, - (and paid in full to
date), - from this vessel and from the U.S.C. & G. Survey Service,
by reason of ?Quarrelsome nature?. The requirements of Form 226,
Regulations, have been complied with.
This
is the first time I've seen a reason for dismissal (other than "by own
request"). Usually it's something like "services no longer
required," ;) and then they enlist someone new for the
position either later in the day or the following day. ;D
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(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_3266.gif) (http://www.desismileys.com/)
Shipopoly... ;)
Good idea Randi! :D
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Seattle, 14 December 1902 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20120/IMG_4144_1.jpg)
Making government smaller!
Hans
Arnold Schwalbach, Quartermaster, 2nd class, was this day discharged
from this vessel and from the U.S. Coast and Geodetic Survey Service, by
reason of ?Department?s Authority to Reduce Crew?; and paid in full to
date.
Been there, had that done. :(
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Seattle, 14 December 1902 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20120/IMG_4144_1.jpg)
Making government smaller!
Hans
Arnold Schwalbach, Quartermaster, 2nd class, was this day discharged
from this vessel and from the U.S. Coast and Geodetic Survey Service, by
reason of ?Department?s Authority to Reduce Crew?; and paid in full to
date.
Been there, had that done. :(
Oh
dear - sorry to hear it Michael! :( Then again I'm glad you
weren't quarrelsome and replaced the next day ;)
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Oh
dear - sorry to hear it Michael! :( Then again I'm glad you
weren't quarrelsome and replaced the next day ;)
It was almost 20 years ago, I've mostly recovered. ;)
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;D
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Port Orchard, 24 January 1903 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20121/IMG_4193_1.jpg)
At
3:40, by order of the Commanding Officer, the National Ensign, and
Service flag and pennant were hauled down, and this vessel placed out of
commission; seven men to be left on board for the winter and one
temporarily.
We just finished discharging another 18 men, following the Department's orders to reduce crew.
If
you're really interested, you can read the page to see how much the
various men were paid. They also got two bits fare to get back to
Seattle.
For those who haven't spent a lot of time in Seattle (OW speaking) Port Orchard is the location for the Bremerton Navy Yard.
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MAde intersting reading. I wonder what happened to them all?
Hopefully they didn't have to last too long on their meager
earnings. :-\
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Controller Bay, Alaska. 11 September, 1903.
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20123/IMG_4364_1.jpg)
A case of, "Petty Officer talking, I can't hear you, nah nah nah nah." ;D
?Reynard?
with dinghy in tow left ship at 6:50 for Mr. Rhodes and party; Sea.
Syvertsen, boat keeper in charge of No. 1 whaleboat, having
misunderstood orders and gone to westerly end of Kanak Id. where party
was unable to find him before dark. Party returned on board at
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Oh dear - West - which way is that? ::)
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An interesting way to find out where you think you are when it's
very foggy and you've been steaming across the N. Pacific from Dutch
Harbor to Seattle...
Ship?s position verified by hourly sounding with Thomson Machine.
Sounding
with Thomson Machine every hour. Soundings verifying ship?s position on
shoal off Barclay Sound, Vancouver Id. Weather overcast and foggy.
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Sail by braille?
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An
interesting way to find out where you think you are when it's very
foggy and you've been steaming across the N. Pacific from Dutch Harbor
to Seattle...
Ship?s position verified by hourly sounding with Thomson Machine.
Sounding
with Thomson Machine every hour. Soundings verifying ship?s position on
shoal off Barclay Sound, Vancouver Id. Weather overcast and foggy.
I
think sounding in these weather conditions when starting to approach
the coast was probably common once charts had details of the depth of
water on them. They probable also got details of the nature of the
sea bed which could also have helped locate the position of the
ship.
William Thomson, the deviser of the sounding machine, later became known as Lord Kelvin.
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Yes: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3430.msg114555#msg114555 ;)
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Seattle, 08 January, 1904 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20125/IMG_4499_1.jpg)
Poor Mr. Long. He had to pay the reward to the police from his own pay!
Lee
Long, Officer?s Steward, who failed to report on board at the
expiration of his liberty (Jan?y 7; 7 a.m.) with declared intentions to
desert, and for whose return, on board, a reward of ten dollars had been
offered, was brought on board by a police detective and the reward of
$10.00 paid; the same to be deducted from the retained pay of Lee Long.
For
the next two nights, my stopping point for supper ;), Lee Long
has been put in leg irons to prevent him from sneaking off the vessel
during the night watches. :o
My question is this: "Would
you want someone, who doesn't want to work for you, has tried to escape,
had to be brought back by the police, and who has to be locked up at
night in leg irons, serve you your food???" ;D ;D ;D
This just in, and on the 12th:
The
Wardroom Steward who was given permission by the Executive Officer to
go ashore to make purchases for the Wardroom Mess, did not return to the
ship.
:o :o :o
It looks like this time his getaway was successful...
Lee
Long, Officer?s Steward, who has been absent from this vessel since
Jan?y 12th. without leave is this day declared a deserter.
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A deserter and not a desserter then? ;D
Honestly I
agree - if you really wind someone up and expect to get good food from
them you might be classed as an example of 'optimism gone mad'. ;D
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An interesting short story on 16th February 1902:
Muster of
the crew for the purpose of locating a purse, stolen from discharged
seaman Thomas, containing $120. The berth deck was searched and the
missing purse found in locker of Seaman Robert Grill; evidently placed
there by some other one, as there was no evidence to show that Grill
appropriated the purse.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20125/IMG_4539_1.jpg
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A deserter and not a desserter then? ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D
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I'm having an Ivory Snow Soap moment. Patterson is at 99 44/100 percent done. :) :) :)
(As near as I can estimate.)
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An interesting short story on 16th February 1902:
Muster
of the crew for the purpose of locating a purse, stolen from discharged
seaman Thomas, containing $120. The berth deck was searched and the
missing purse found in locker of Seaman Robert Grill; evidently placed
there by some other one, as there was no evidence to show that Grill
appropriated the purse.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20125/IMG_4539_1.jpg
Hmmmm - skulduggery at work eh? :o
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I'm having an Ivory Snow Soap moment. Patterson is at 99 44/100 percent done. :) :) :)
(As near as I can estimate.)
I'm
glad you're having a soap moment Michael - everyone should have one at
least once a day ;) and thanks for letting us know about Patterson
- it's going to be amazing to see her finished :D
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Ivory soap is 99 and 44/100% pure what? (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/870/ivory-soap-is-99-and-44-100-pure-what)
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Ivory soap is 99 and 44/100% pure what? (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/870/ivory-soap-is-99-and-44-100-pure-what)
Pure soap. I have no idea what the other 56/100 are. Maybe non-soap. ;D
Like the Patterson, it is so pure it floats! ;D ;D ;D
I guess you weren't around in the 50's and 60's to hear and see all the Ivory Snow ads...
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San Francisco, 30 May 1904 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20126/IMG_4653_1.jpg)
At
8:00, A. Strom, Quartermaster, 2nd. class, failed to return aboard at
expiration of his liberty; and it was learned through this morning?s
papers that he had been stabbed by one of two men early Sunday morning,
and taken to the Central Emergency Hospital. The circumstances of the
cases were investigated by the Executive Officer and found correct.
:o
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Ivory soap is 99 and 44/100% pure what? (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/870/ivory-soap-is-99-and-44-100-pure-what)
Pure soap. I have no idea what the other 56/100 are. Maybe non-soap. ;D
Like the Patterson, it is so pure it floats! ;D ;D ;D
I guess you weren't around in the 50's and 60's to hear and see all the Ivory Snow ads...
Yes, I do remember the ads.
If you follow the link it will tell you: "uncombined alkali, 0.11%; carbonates, 0.28%; and mineral matter, 0.17%". ;)
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If you follow the link it will tell you: "uncombined alkali, 0.11%; carbonates, 0.28%; and mineral matter, 0.17%". ;)
:-[ :-[ :-[
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Don't get too excited - but Patterson is now showing 100%.
It's rounding up of course, but we are getting close to THE END!
;D ;D ;D
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I challenge you guys to finish her off before the end of the year!
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Kiska Harbor, Alaska. 01 September, 1904
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20127/IMG_4756_1.jpg).
A
party from this vessel to assist in the search for Civil Engineer
Chambers, U.S.N., who was lost while ascending Snow Mountain,
constituted of Surgeon J. H. Egbert, in charge; Aid C. C. Craft; and
Seamen H. Ellingsen, and G. H. Webb, left ship in ?Reynard?, - towing
gig, - at 5:15, bound for ?Kelp Cove?. The party was equipped with tent,
sleeping-bags, rubber and canvas blankets, cooking utensils, and two
days provisions. Launch was under charge of Executive Office.
Word was rec?d from U.S.S. ?Petrel? that Civil Engineer Chambers had been found. Reynard party returned at 11:30.
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sleeping-bags, rubber and canvas blankets
I bet they weighed a fair bit :o
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En route from Honolulu to Seattle. 21 March 1905
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20129/IMG_4977_0.jpg)
[1:30 P.M. ? This course was changed without my knowledge or direction ? (sgd.) J. F. Pratt, Com?d?g.]
Like, who wouldn't change course and go back to Honolulu! ;D ;D ;D
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I challenge you guys to finish her off before the end of the year!
Aye,
aye, Captain! Patterson is finally finished - tidings of great
joy, and another one off the list before the end of 2016. What a
marathon!
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Oh - I just tried it and was offered a page :-\
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That's interesting - what page were you offered? When I try I
just get 'we're sorry, something went wrong'. I suppose it's
possible that there are odd pages left which haven't yet had their third
transcriber, though I'm surprised.
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That's
interesting - what page were you offered? When I try I just get
'we're sorry, something went wrong'. I suppose it's possible that
there are odd pages left which haven't yet had their third transcriber,
though I'm surprised.
Typical for the Patterson, huh? I got booted to Yorktown when I clicked 'Transcribe'.
8) 8) 8)
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Aye,
aye, Captain! Patterson is finally finished - tidings of great
joy, and another one off the list before the end of 2016. What a
marathon!
Amazing work!
;D ;D ;D
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I'll notify the PTB
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Wow - you did it! You finished her off before the year was out, with time to spare!
Great
job everybody - this ship was really long (only the Yorktown has more
WR) and really difficult - so many oddities and mistakes!
Now we can all celebrate: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=25.msg136983#msg136983
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Yay team! 8) 8) 8)
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Oh - I just tried it and was offered a page :-\
Doh!! I got offered the Albatross -- thought it looked a bit strange (i.e. properly completed logs)
You are amazing, all of you, for finishing that set of logs..what an epic! :D :D :D
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Well done, everyone!