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If you find articles about the Old Weather project, post links here!
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First up, there's a story on Discovery News:
http://news.discovery.com/earth/wwi-ships-climate-weather.html
(http://news.discovery.com/earth/wwi-ships-climate-weather.html)
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Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69B2TI20101012
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BBC News - WWI ships to chart past climate
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11532534
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11532534)
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Wired Science (http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/10/old-weather-records/)
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JISC http://www.jisc.ac.uk/news/stories/2010/10/weather.aspx
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From Universe Today :)
http://www.universetoday.com/75640/new-galaxy-zoo-project-crowd-sources-old-climate-data
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Can I suggest that you put an announcemount in the Navy News which
might gain some interested participants. I know they used to run
articles (in the print version) on former ships of the line.
http://www.navynews.co.uk/
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Thanks! I'll forward that on to the team.
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UK access only but here is Arfon on Radio Oxford talking about Old Weather:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p00bg9r7/Phil_Mercer_Bonfire_of_the_Quangos_What_affect_on_Oxfordshire/
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p00bg9r7/Phil_Mercer_Bonfire_of_the_Quangos_What_affect_on_Oxfordshire/)
Starts at about 0:29.00
Update: DJ was able to listen to this in the US so non-UK residents, give it a try. ;D
No longer available.
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And The Washington Post, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/18/AR2010101804491.html
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I found out about OldWeather from ArcaMax's Science & Technology ezine (arcamax.com), which cited UPI-UK as the source.
Cheers,
GeekDad
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I've started emailing a lot of naval-related sites including Navy
News, also UK public libraries, family history sites, etc. but little or
no response. If others could contact them - google will always give you
a list of related sites and email addresses, it might help spread
knowledge of Old Weather.
Gordon
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I am trying to get in touch with "Costing the Earth" the BBC R4 environment programme.
Absolutely tailor-made for them. Sea, climate, climate change, weather, Navy, history, collaboration, public involvement....
Charles
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I have found that obtaining email addresses of people at the BBC,
newspaper correspondents, heads of museum departments etc is so
difficult in the UK. It's almost as if they want to keep the great
unwashed at bay. In contrast, US organisations are so open, listing all
their heads and staff.
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Every so often I google "oldweather.org" to see what sort of
interest there is. As of today 2940 results and 27 pages of URL's. I
haven't kept a record of growth, but it might be worth keeping an eye on
progress.
Gordon
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Friday 22nd October 2010 all at sea
17:12 Check O.W.org forum posts
17:15 Dampen fires in H.P.P.C.
17:20 Weigh anchor and join convey for home
17:24 Monitor radio for orders
17:25 R4 broadcast volunteers needed for O.W.org
Can't get away from it.
Badskittler
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From Rob Allan of the OW Team:
All,
The BBC Radio 4 PM piece on OldWeather was aired around 5.15pm this
evening. Hopefully, we'll get some more media momentum as a
result.
Cheers, Rob.
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I listened to it a few hours ago. Wonderful stuff.
They did a great job putting it together. Man, I love the
Beeb. Radio died a horrible death here in the States in the early
60s, but radio's still relevant on your side of the pond. I envy
that. You've got the Afternoon play, we've got... reality shows on
TV. Okay, we have NPR, but it's not the same thing.
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You should of course be able to get it streamed from the BBC
website. Bits of the BBC still make programmes. For the
ongoing "talk radio", but they'd prefer it if you called it "speech
radio", there's R4 spouting out from a "steam radio" in the corner. And
for those who like a diet of old comedy and drama the BBC did a deal
with the actors in old shows and you can get the likes of the "Nay
Lark", a couple of times a week. A project might be to put up a
couple of log pages in the style of the events in good old HMS
Troutbridge.
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Charles, I like that idea of a spook HMS Troutbridge. I've put your idea to a couple of the Old Weather team.
Gordon
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ooops - spoof
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It was meant of course to be spoof, but now you come to mention it
spook is just as funny. Do you remember there was a character in
the Show who used to answer the phone with "intelligence, here" in a
voice that he had little of the grey matter in actuality.
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The Old Weather report on BBC Radio 4's PM programme is available here until 18.02 on Friday, October 29.
It starts at about 0:24.28.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00vcr2k/PM_22_10_2010/
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I know about navalhistory gripes about email address and the like,
but I don't find them quite as available as buildings in the US used to
be (pre 9/11). Then they just let you walk all over. As an
architecture buff it was great fun.
If you need to contact the BBC, try firstname.secondnmae@bbc.co.uk, or programmename@bbc.co.uk
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Charles,
That's very useful. Any hints for national newspapers?
Gordon
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editor@newspapername.co.uk sometimes works. or letters@newspapername.co.uk
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Newspapers lap this kind of stuff up. You should try The Wharf
(local newspaper for the Isle of Dogs which has an old naval history.
Also the Evening Standard in London.
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Just to tell Old Weather that I didn't know of your existence until
the BBC Radio 4 interview a couple of days ago - just caught it in
passing too! I've been enjoying doing transcriptions since.
It's fascinating.
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I think Andysweeney's idea is a very good one. All we've got
to do is write a nice little piece, tidy and accurate and they'll lap in
up.
History is big in the UK, and programmes like Time
Team attract incredible audiences for excavation what are no more than
dirty old pits.
Marc Girouard, an Anglo-French historian and
writer on books about English domestic architecture and life used almost
to complain that somebody had been down to the CRO (county record
office) and already copied out all the stuff he wanted from muster
rolls, receipts for beer and church registers. All done by
amateurs and for free. Something he said that could not be done in
France, where the worker would have to be a paid professional.
It
was that great army of amateur historians who beaver away (now in front
of their computers), collecting, digitising, analysing, theorizing and
writing on historial topics.
If the government and business of
the country were run with a quarter of the efficiency displayed by
projects such as Old Weather, there'd be no unemployment and no national
deficit.
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I've sent press releases to the major British media, but no
response. There's just so much else going on. Going through your own
local newspaper, radio and TV stations with your personal stories might
have more chance of a response.
Gordon
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There was a mention today at Ars Technica:
http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/10/galaxy-zoo-shows-how-well-crowdsourced-citizen-science-works.ars
Towards the end of the article.
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Imagine my surprise when listening to a podcast, I hear Chris
talking about OldWeather.org! The World's Technology Podcast, Show
306 interviewed Chris! I feel so honored to be part of this
community.
If you would like to listen to the podcast, click this link:
http://media.theworld.org/pod/tech/WTPpodcast306.mp3
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Thanks, wekebu. I had heard the 3 minute distillation
of that interview, but not the whole thing. Nice addition to the
OW/Zooniverse MP3 collection! :)
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Mentioned this before - number of hits when googling "oldweather.org".
Last week's figures are OCT 22/2940; 23/2950; 24/3750; 26/3660; 27/4,060, 28/4270, 29/5,500.
An
obvious and apparent trend upwards, but wasn't checked at the same time
each day, haven't analysed it and so don't know how significant it is.
Might just be all the Forum comments!
Gordon
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Science and Technology blog 'Babbage' from The Economist
(http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2010/11/crowdsourced_science?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/weather1914)
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"the cleverest yet, though"
Should the the subtitle to OW.
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I see Old Weather has a presence on Facebook now
http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Old-Weather/167752819901957
and yes, I'm the person holding the bit of diesel locomotive ::)
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I'd like to include an article on the Old Weather project in a
newsletter which goes out to all UK university libraries. Could you let
me know who to contact to discuss this?
Thanks.
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Why not talk to Mr Weather himself, Dr Lintott. If you send me
an e/m at norriecb [at] gmail [dot] com, I can give you his e/m
address.
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Or send a PM to "zookeeperChris"
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Yep, that works, too.
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I did a blog post about Old Weather last week:
http://www.lastwordonnothing.com/2010/11/02/779/
(http://www.lastwordonnothing.com/2010/11/02/779/)
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I
did a blog post about Old Weather last week:
http://www.lastwordonnothing.com/2010/11/02/779/
(http://www.lastwordonnothing.com/2010/11/02/779/)
Hi
anniekf
loved the blog post.
Thanks ! :D
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Four recent pieces about oldweather.org and related work:
ScienceNews
http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/65267/title/Mining_the_maritime_past_for_clues_to_climates_future
New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/cwire/2010/11/05/05climatewire-historic-sea-voyages-buoy-climate-science-60243.html
SolveClimate News
http://solveclimatenews.com/news/20101109/citizen-scientists-analyze-weather-logs-wwi-ships
Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/18/AR2010101804491.html
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Why thank you, ElisabethB! I love this site.
I
did a blog post about Old Weather last week:
http://www.lastwordonnothing.com/2010/11/02/779/
(http://www.lastwordonnothing.com/2010/11/02/779/)
Hi
anniekf
loved the blog post.
Thanks ! :D
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Since we are part of the Zooniverse : Guess who's the winner in the
President's Prize (http://www.physics.org/featuredetail.asp?id=52)
category and the people's choice for that category at the Physics.org
web awards 2010? ;D
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;D ;D ;D Wonderful news
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Googling "oldweather.org" now up to 8,170 hits - haven't checked for relevance. Bit too many.
Gordon
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Gordon,
Quite right. Sorting for relevance can be very
time-consuming. Google "oldweather.org" (with the quotes), and I got
7510 results.
Unfortunately, there isn't enough data on the URL
being searched itself, but searching exactly "old weather" shows some
results. It can assumed that since there are no results for "old
weather" previous to October 2010, a good portion of the searches are
relevant. The scaling and actual search index need to be parse for
numbers, but it's all positive so far.
http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22old+weather%22&ctab=0&geo=all&date=2010&sort=0
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Being an old RAF hand I'll contact the Oficers Pension Society. If
they print a piece in their Magazine it may wake up a few of the
old warriors from their armchairs. Particularly ex RAF and Army types
who'll be glad to show the Web Footers how its done!
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I am participating on the project. I also am writing a short article
about my pwn experiences on the project to the non-profit World War I
group I belong to here in the United States. I would like to help
publicise the project to get other WWI enthusiasts involved.
Is there
any guidance for this (I assume quotint a link to the projects main
website, and quoting from the official press release is OK. But, I
would like to publish a picture of a typical log page. How should I
organize that? Is someone here on this forum have the authority to let
me have a sample copy of a log page, to illustrate my article.
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Hi asykley and welcome aboard. :D
The logbooks are British Crown Copyright and are owned by the National Archives.
We have been asked not to publish pictures of them outside this forum.
I have sent you a Personal Message with more information.
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Caro
Many thanks for your response. I will respect the guidance.
Anatole
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Came across this one
http://www.nytimes.com/cwire/2010/11/05/05climatewire-historic-sea-voyages-buoy-climate-science-60243.html
The HMS "Aroca" referred to in the article is probably our HMS "Avoca".
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Came across this one
http://www.nytimes.com/cwire/2010/11/05/05climatewire-historic-sea-voyages-buoy-climate-science-60243.html
The HMS "Aroca" referred to in the article is probably our HMS "Avoca".
8) Thanks for posting.
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How to contact a particular BBC programme
www.bbc.co.uk produces the BBC Home page
to find a radio programme click on the appropriate station
then click on "Radio X" home
find the relevant programme, from "Search Box", or "Alpha List" or category "Science" then click the "Contact" button.
Simples
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Thank you, Lancsgreybeard. Glad to hear it.
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Recently got my Age of Stupid newsletter from Franny Armstrong which included a paragraph about Old Weather:
->
Glad you joined the crowd to help make Stupid? Another crowd is forming
at the Old Weather website in order to trawl through log books from old
ships "because if we wish to understand what the weather will do in the
future, then we need to understand what the weather was doing in the
past". Apparently there are billions of entries to be analysed -
including sexy ones like from Darwin's Beagle - and so loads of
volunteers are needed to sit in front of their screens at home in
Surbiton and fantasise that they're sailing the seven seas. Computers
can't be used to read the entries as too much rum had been imbibed by
the sailors - or perhaps the oceans were too rough - and so the writing
is only readable by good old-fashioned humans.
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There was a nice illustrated 3 page article in the A5-size journal
of the small, but influential Naval Historical Collectors &
Research Association. Not online I'm afraid, but will reach active navy
history enthusiasts.
Gordon
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Hello Gordon
Not asking for a transcript, but are they any highlights you can share with us. Always nice to see our names in lights.
All best and Merry Christmas
don
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http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-weather-data-rescue-20110103,0,2632995.story
Woohoo! Well done Kathy. :D
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http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-weather-data-rescue-20110103,0,2632995.story
Woohoo! Well done Kathy. :D
:o :o Awesome Kathy!
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Thanks - I didn't think there would be that much about Old Weather
in the article. The reporter did stay for 2 hours and I think he
may come aboard a ship! ;D
Anyway, thanks again - anything for the cause- :D
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Nice one ! :o ;D
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There is an article in Science News about the Old Weather project. In fact, I first learned about Galaxy Zoo in Science News.
http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/65267/title/Mining_the_maritime_past_for_clues_to_climates_future
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On today's edition of the (US) NPR radio program, "Science
Friday", Old Weather was described near the end of the show (called
"Citizen Science.)
http://www.sciencefriday.com/program/archives/201101072
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And The Washington Post, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/18/AR2010101804491.html
This was the article that piqued my interest in OW.
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I saw this (http://twitter.com/oldweather) tweet. How did it go Kathy ? Can we listen to it ? :D
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I think so - go to hurricanecity.com and then the like for
hurricanetv - I think the interview will part of a loop that runs there -
yours -
Kathy
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We've had many radio, newspaper, and internet mentions; and I'm now
told that we've had an impact on the live theatre: Apparently the new
play Greenland
(http://www.nationaltheatre.org.uk/62810/productions/greenland.html)
features a character who's using weather records from ship's logbooks.
I've
not seen the play myself (it's only on in London (England)) are there
any theatre enthusiasts among our London area members?
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I'm not in that area, but if the role demands a tall, incredibly
good looking man with strapping physique, I'm available.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/feb/27/can-these-scientists-end-climate-change-war
Interesting piece from the Guardian in the UK.
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Neglected to do this for a while - i.e. google Old Weather in the news. couldn't find anything recently.
Gordon
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As noted by Jeff: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-weather-history-20110422,0,542848.story
:D
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Fascinating article. It also broadened my perspective on what else
might be out there to give the climate scientists some more information.
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We have been published again, today. The short article is in OnEarth Magazine (http://www.onearth.org/article/old-weather-data-aids-climate-science).
;D
JJ
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very good article Janet!
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We have been published again, today. The short article is in OnEarth Magazine (http://www.onearth.org/article/old-weather-data-aids-climate-science).
;D
JJ
Great
article, it's great that you were mentioned! Although the April 1919
data kind of spolied it for me since I'm on February 1919 ;D. And I
have a feeling a lot of people from that website will be flocking to
Torch today... ;)
I have one question on Torch though. Apparently it
was sold on the 20th Feb. (ish) and recomminsioned the 21st Feb., but
has the same crew. What happened those days?
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Enjoyed that one. Will get round to the others later.
Do they all mention chocolate?
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Great
article, it's great that you were mentioned! Although the April 1919
data kind of spolied it for me since I'm on February 1919 ;D. And I
have a feeling a lot of people from that website will be flocking to
Torch today... ;)
I have one question on Torch though. Apparently it
was sold on the 20th Feb. (ish) and recomminsioned the 21st Feb., but
has the same crew. What happened those days?
The
ship was never sold or decommissioned in 1919
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=885.msg8220#msg8220) - I
think it stayed in service until 1929. What happens very often on
all RN ships is the crew being paid off. This happens at irregular
intervals, usually one to three years. This lets the navy shift
people around so no one gets stale being in the same post and
ship. Since they are not at a home port, there may not be a
complete exchange this time. It happens again in Sept. 1920.
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Great
article, it's great that you were mentioned! Although the April 1919
data kind of spolied it for me since I'm on February 1919 ;D. And I
have a feeling a lot of people from that website will be flocking to
Torch today... ;)
I have one question on Torch though. Apparently it
was sold on the 20th Feb. (ish) and recomminsioned the 21st Feb., but
has the same crew. What happened those days?
The
ship was never sold or decommissioned in 1919
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=885.msg8220#msg8220) - I
think it stayed in service until 1929. What happens very often on
all RN ships is the crew being paid off. This happens at irregular
intervals, usually one to three years. This lets the navy shift
people around so no one gets stale being in the same post and
ship. Since they are not at a home port, there may not be a
complete exchange this time. It happens again in Sept. 1920.
Okay, that makes sense. Thanks!
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Aug 31, 1917, HMS Bacchante:
Midnight: "WNW 2-7 OC_PQRLT_"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34661/ADM53-34661-018_1.jpg
I've seen stronger storms, but don't recall seeing "2-7" as a wind strength, and those weather codes look downright unpleasant.
Sadly, there's nothing more about it the next day:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34662/ADM53-34662-003_1.jpg
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Aug 31, 1917, HMS Bacchante:
Midnight: "WNW 2-7 OC_PQRLT_"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-34661/ADM53-34661-018_1.jpg
I've seen stronger storms, but don't recall seeing "2-7" as a wind strength, and those weather codes look downright unpleasant.
Was that real thunder or just the 2 Marines with their kettle drums from 4.0pm?
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Wait, that's not what causes real thunder?
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:o ;D ;D
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(In semi-official voice)
Please try to only use this topic for links to articles about OW and discussions of said articles blah blah blah.
Oh my. Nearly bored myself to sleep there. Carry on. :P
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The Scientific American web site has added a 'Citizen Science' site
and Old Weather is mentioned: Scientific American Citizen Science
(http://www.scientificamerican.com/citizen-science/)
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This is from the Scientific American article Geoff highlighted,
'For
example, one of the major areas of interest to Old Weather are log
books from the English East India company in the period from the 1780s
to the 1830s. About half of the logbooks that exist in the British
library for those ships that trade between the UK and India or China
have instrumental measurements Old Weather's organizers would like to
record.'
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Maybe they know something we don't ! ;) ;D
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'Very Old Weather' ??
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;D ;D ;D
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;D ;D ;D
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I guess we know what the 2nd phase for Old Weather will be! :)
Seriously, though, I think someone should contact them, we might get
some very dissapointed people hoping for something a little older than
we are working with.
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:-X
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I've checked with the PTB and apparently Scientific American has gotten their wires crossed. Sorry !
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We did a project on the English East India Company (EEIC) logs
before starting OldWeather - and it was that project that convinced me
that we REALLY needed your help. We started serious work on the EEIC
logs in 2006, and we finished transcribing them last month, using the
internal resources of the Met Office in the UK and the National Climatic
Data Centre in the US. We had to be very restrictive over what we
transcribed (weather ONLY - no history or events) and even so it took a
long time to do only 900 logs - we just didn't have enough people
looking at them.
So I told scientific American this, and then I
told them how wonderful OldWeather is - but obviously I didn't make it
clear enough, because they have muddled them up. Sorry.
Follow-up
OldWeather projects won't include the EEIC logs anytime soon, but they
will include other logs which are at least as interesting.
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It's a shame they screwed up the info, but it's nice to see this in Scientific American. That's a pretty fine magazine.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=blYoUW4og1w&vq=medium
I
found this on Youtube. It's nice to be mentioned, but one thing that
bugs me is he said that someone died at 4:17. Reading it, it looks more
like someone lost their hat, not their life.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=blYoUW4og1w&vq=medium
I
found this on Youtube. It's nice to be mentioned, but one thing that
bugs me is he said that someone died at 4:17. Reading it, it looks more
like someone lost their hat, not their life.
You got it - a sennet hat
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1022.msg9696#msg9696
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http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=blYoUW4og1w&vq=medium
I
found this on Youtube. It's nice to be mentioned, but one thing that
bugs me is he said that someone died at 4:17. Reading it, it looks more
like someone lost their hat, not their life.
Doesn't it just!
That's the trouble with allowing amateurs to decipher the logs. ;D
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;)
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Oh, it was nice that he chose the posting showing the face of one of our more attractive transcribers. 8)
(No offence, fellers.)
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Jennfur is definitely pretty, advertising us to a National Geo crowd
cannot be bad, and whoever put the visual aids together got it right -
that's the photo illustrating the sennet hat thread! The speaker
just needs to do better research! ;D
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Jennfur
is definitely pretty, advertising us to a National Geo crowd cannot be
bad, and whoever put the visual aids together got it right - that's the
photo illustrating the sennet hat thread! The speaker just needs
to do better research! ;D
Was he moonlighting from his day job at Wikipedia?
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::) ;D
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http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=blYoUW4og1w&vq=medium
I
found this on Youtube. It's nice to be mentioned, but one thing that
bugs me is he said that someone died at 4:17. Reading it, it looks more
like someone lost their hat, not their life.
You got it - a sennet hat
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1022.msg9696#msg9696
I knew that picture would come back to haunt me. Those poor sailors!!.
K
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This is Javier de la Torre's connection with us: http://vizzuality.com/
You will see the vizzuality link (with a 'z' too many) at the bottom of OW interface pages.
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I found an article about citizen science that mentions Zooniverse:
http://www.cracked.com/article_19431_5-mind-blowing-things-crowds-do-better-than-experts.html
I also saw Planet Hunters mentioned in New Scientist magazine.
It said 69 new planets had been identified through the project.
Nothing on OW though.
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Today an item about Old Weather was on Dutch national television in the 6 o'clock news.
There is a plan to, just like OW, transcribe logs from the VOC era.
For
those who understand Dutch, you can watch the item here:
http://nos.nl/video/275658-op-zoek-naar-klimaat-in-oude-scheepsjournaals.html
(http://nos.nl/video/275658-op-zoek-naar-klimaat-in-oude-scheepsjournaals.html).
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A small NH daily newspaper's sci/tech blog has mentioned OW ... I know, because I'm the OW newbie who did the mentioning:
http://granitegeek.org/blog/2011/10/05/transcribing-old-royal-navy-weather-reports-for-citizen-science/
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Thank you! :)
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A small NH daily newspaper's sci/tech blog has mentioned OW ... I know, because I'm the OW newbie who did the mentioning:
http://granitegeek.org/blog/2011/10/05/transcribing-old-royal-navy-weather-reports-for-citizen-science/
Nice work, DWBinNH.
I
contacted the BBC radio programme that mentioned OW last year to
suggest that they might wish to illustrate the influence that the
original broadcast had.
I got a standard "message received" email. :'(
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Hey, we get a mention too along with all the space stuff: http://www.skyandtelescope.com/skytel/beyondthepage/129972918.html
Thanks Kevin. ;D
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One of our own can be heard in a "digital story" about Old Weather here: http://www.projectaspect.org/our_films?page=su
Nice job, Su (Thursdaynext).
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Well done Su. You did a great job. ;D
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8)
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That was so cool - as we were listening, I told my husband,
"Remember, the Mantua is the one that kept losing their chocolate" and
then you said it! ;D
very cool -
Kathy W.
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I'm so glad it came across OK! (I only got the gig because I'm
closest to Falmouth!) They actually did a half hour interview for
the two minutes they used, so they had plenty of material to choose
from!
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Not just OK, definitely great ! ;D
I loved it.
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You got a lot into those two minutes, Su - great!
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(Late, as usual.)
Very enterprising and beautifully enunciated.
A perfect Ambassadress.
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You might have gotten the gig due to proximity to Falmouth, but you nailed it.
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I agree - very well done! Thanks!
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You might have gotten the gig due to proximity to Falmouth, but you nailed it.
Yep.
Those giggles at 1 minute 25 and 1.38-40, are really attractive.
Oh, and the photo, too, of course.
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Ditto, Su! Really enjoyed hearing you talk about the project!
Carolyn
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There is a mention of OW in the Economist, October 1, 2011, in a
story about Galaxy Zoo, and Zooniverse projects that use crowd sourcing:
"One
Zooniverse project aims to reconstruct weather records from old Navy
logs; another is helping to transcribe a cache of Egyptian papyri dating
from the 1st century AD."
8) The Economist website has posted the story on their website:
http://www.economist.com/node/21530947
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The February 2012 issue of Scientific American magazine will include an article about the Old Weather project.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=all-hands-on-deck
John Dulak
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One of our newbies wrote us a lovely blog post. Thank you, deathgleaner! 8)
http://deathgleaner.wordpress.com/2012/01/23/old-weather/
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I spotted this in the forums for another project I'm involved in. One of the 8 projects is Old Weather. ;D
"InnovationDaily
(http://www.innovationnewsdaily.com/) opens with a story on
transcription of text via crowdsourcing. They also list 8 projects where
readers can participate."
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8) I'll have to take a look at some of those - when I'm not doing OW ;)
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A small mention for the 'extraordinary' OW in this Guardian/Observer
article about Galaxy Zoo, the Zooniverse and citizen science in
general:
http://m.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/mar/18/galaxy-zoo-crowdsourcing-citizen-scientists?cat=science&type=article
Well done Alice, "moderator-in-chief of the known universe". :D
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VERY interesting 8)
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As a retired professional scientist with all sorts of other
interests it is great to be able to contribute to science, assuage my
historical curiosity and know there are stacks of other projects out
there (if OW dries up there are transcription projects on Ancestry for
family history and Gutenberg for e-books outside the Galaxy Zoo)
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I like the mention of 'cursive' writing in the logs - which isn't
always what we call it, I reckon. 'Cursed' might be more like it
sometimes ....
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For any US history buffs (or just history in general) there is also a
project to transcribe Civil War diaries. That could be very
interesting too.
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From the article:
"... Old Weather that reproduces millions of pages of scanned ship's logbooks..."
Millions? I'm pretty sure we don't have that much. Sure we're nearing 1 million transcriptions, but each page is reproduced 3 times, so...
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From the article:
"... Old Weather that reproduces millions of pages of scanned ship's logbooks..."
Millions? I'm pretty sure we don't have that much. Sure we're nearing 1 million transcriptions, but each page is reproduced 3 times, so...
From
the viewpoint of a transcriber (not a user of the final database),
every page I do counts and is necessary. And I must say, doing
this much in 17 months is definitely something to be proud of. The
actual usable pages get counted after other people put in the time
editing and correcting and merging each scanned page, discarding the
blank end pages, etc. Their real count of pages worked on will be
less than a third of our count, but they need every one we do to get
there.
And remember, we are only partway into Phase II, with a
Phase III already on the drawing board. Just wait and see what
this crowd can really produce!! ;D
As of today, OW Home statistics say:
Old Weather transcriptions so far
26,503 VOLUNTEER TRANSCRIBERS
924,678 PAGES DONE
267 SHIPS COMPLETE
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From the article:
"... Old Weather that reproduces millions of pages of scanned ship's logbooks..."
Millions? I'm pretty sure we don't have that much. Sure we're nearing 1 million transcriptions, but each page is reproduced 3 times, so...
From
the viewpoint of a transcriber (not a user of the final database),
every page I do counts and is necessary. And I must say, doing
this much in 17 months is definitely something to be proud of. The
actual usable pages get counted after other people put in the time
editing and correcting and merging each scanned page, discarding the
blank end pages, etc. Their real count of pages worked on will be
less than a third of our count, but they need every one we do to get
there.
And remember, we are only partway into Phase II, with a
Phase III already on the drawing board. Just wait and see what
this crowd can really produce!! ;D
As of today, OW Home statistics say:
Old Weather transcriptions so far
26,503 VOLUNTEER TRANSCRIBERS
924,678 PAGES DONE
267 SHIPS COMPLETE
Take a bow, people!! We are IMPRESSIVE!!!
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The historical angle: http://www.scientificamerican.com/citizen-science/project.cfm?id=old-weather-naval-history
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http://www.nsf.gov/news/newsletter/aug_12/index.jsp
;D
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Hurrah for us! ;D ;D ;D
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(http://climateprediction.net/board/images/smilies/eusa_clap.gif)
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(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_0490.gif) (http://www.desismileys.com/)
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Do the maths...
One person would take 28 years.
28000 participants should take 28 / 28000 years = just under 9 hours.
It took us a whole year, so we're a slow bunch, aren't we ;D
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28000
But how many of them did more than 10 pages? ;)
AND, we did it 3 times for error checking!
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Yeah, and in the early days, six times.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/interactive/2012/oct/01/first-world-war-royal-navy-ships-mapped
Nice. ;D
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8)
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That's fun! 8)
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Brilliant! Did anyone else find themselves trying to spot
'their' ships? Or is that another sign of OW addiction?
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Yeah, I was trying to see the Moorhen sailing up the Pearl River. I
did notice a ship that seemed to have made it a long way inland in
northern Russia.
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Scientists Watch Antarctica, Arctic Sea-Ice Levels
http://www.npr.org/2012/10/08/162489656/scientists-watch-antarctica-arctic-sea-ice-levels
Doesn't mention OW, but discusses impact of wind direction and need for more data :D
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It is interesting that the article says that global warming is
increasing the temperature difference between the pole and the equator -
referring to the south pole. This explains the increased
winds and the scattering of sea ice near Antarctica. I thought the
temperature differential was decreasing between the north pole and the equator. I guess it's not symmetrical, then.
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Arfon in Orlando recently, at on online learning conference, speaking about citizen science and the Zooniverse.
http://events.mediasite.com/Mediasite/Play/a3d4132c3ec64822a3cb900eb18e03721d
Old Weather features from about 22.40 to 29.00. :)
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Well, the launch has definitely been publicized. ;D
Chicago Tribune:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/sns-rt-us-usa-climate-arcticbre89n1cu-20121024,0,6752522,print.story
New York Times:
http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/24/retrieving-the-weather-of-the-past/
Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/noaa-us-archives-want-citizen-scientists-to-transcribe-weather-data-from-historic-ship-logs/2012/10/24/7cfed446-1d9a-11e2-8817-41b9a7aaabc7_print.html
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Some more articles:
Scientific American (Reuters)
U.S. Looks to Old Arctic Ship Logs for Climate Change Clues
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=us-looks-to-old-arctic-ship-logs
(http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=us-looks-to-old-arctic-ship-logs)
Reuters online
U.S. Looks to Old Arctic Ship Logs for Climate Change Clues
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/24/usa-climate-arctic-idUSL1E8LO6CM20121024
(http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/24/usa-climate-arctic-idUSL1E8LO6CM20121024)
Outside Magazine (wah?)
How Long-Dead Arctic Explorers Are Helping to Improve Climate Science
http://www.outsideonline.com/blog/outdoor-adventure/arctic-explorers-improving-climate-science.html
(http://www.outsideonline.com/blog/outdoor-adventure/arctic-explorers-improving-climate-science.html)
ClimateWire (requires subscription)
Volunteers study old ships' logs for a more detailed look at Arctic weather
http://www.eenews.net/climatewire/2012/10/25/2 (http://www.eenews.net/climatewire/2012/10/25/2)
The Weather Channel
Old Weather Project Recruits Citizen Scientists
http://www.weather.com/news/climate/old-weather-citizen-scientists-20121024
(http://www.weather.com/news/climate/old-weather-citizen-scientists-20121024)
InfoDocket.com
National Archives (NARA) and NOAA Launch Crowdsourcing Project To Transcribe Historic Naval Ship Weather Logs
http://www.infodocket.com/2012/10/24/national-archives-nara-and-noaa-launch-crowdsourcing-project-to-transcribe-historic-naval-ship-logs/#_
(http://www.infodocket.com/2012/10/24/national-archives-nara-and-noaa-launch-crowdsourcing-project-to-transcribe-historic-naval-ship-logs/#_)
WJZ Baltimore New Channel 13 CBS (AP)
Agencies Want Help Recording Historic Weather Data
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/10/24/agencies-want-help-recording-historic-weather-data/
(http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/10/24/agencies-want-help-recording-historic-weather-data/)
Western Australia Today (woo hoo Stuart and Howard!)
Old Ships Seen Holding Arctic Clues
http://www.watoday.com.au/environment/climate-change/old-ship-logs-seen-holding-arctic-clues-20121025-286kh.html
(http://www.watoday.com.au/environment/climate-change/old-ship-logs-seen-holding-arctic-clues-20121025-286kh.html)
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WOW!! The World will know what we do NOW!!! ;D
Can't hide in the closet any more! :P
We be FAMOUS!!!!!!!!!!! ;) (Or is that INFAMOUS??!! 8))
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On NOAA, National Archives and University of Washington websites:
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2012/20121022_oldweatherprojectlaunch.html
http://www.archives.gov/press/press-releases/2013/nr13-11.html
http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/
http://www.jisao.washington.edu/
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Makes us sound really impressive (which we are of course).
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We are indeed. This is great. :D
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We are wonderful - who knew 2 years ago that we would have
accomplished what we have - I do wonder if Philip or any of the
Zooniverse people had any idea Old Weather would turn into this -
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Heart swells with pride for all of us - what more can I say?
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The will be a radio segment about Old Weather - Arctic on CBC North tomorrow at ~5:50 AM Pacific Time (12:50 UTC).
Show website:
http://www.cbc.ca/thetrailbreaker/
Live stream:
http://www.cbc.ca/video/radio-popup.html#networkKey=cbc_radio_one&programKey=yellow_knife
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7:50 Chicago time is very nice - I'll listen. :)
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Did you hear it? I tuned in at 8:50 EDT (my time zone) and they were talking about gasoline additives.
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So did I - don't know what changed, but morning shows like that
don't publish schedules for a reason - they stay very fluid.
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The CBC North producer let me know that it was indeed a scheduling issue - now on the docket for Monday morning.
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Here is a Slate article on Old Weather - Arctic:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/11/02/old_weather_scientists_are_crowdsourcing_arctic_ship_logs_to_solve_mystery.html
(Janet let me post this first so one day I can be a forum hero.)
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My only quibble with the article is the assumption that it is USA
transcribers who will do the work. When you look at the geographic
spread of transcribers for our RN ships my feeling is that transcribers
will come from all over the English speaking world (first and
additional language). I am sure that they will all be welcomed as I
have been.
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Here is a Slate article on Old Weather - Arctic:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/11/02/old_weather_scientists_are_crowdsourcing_arctic_ship_logs_to_solve_mystery.html
(Janet let me post this first so one day I can be a forum hero.) Aren't you already? ;) ;) ;D
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My
only quibble with the article is the assumption that it is USA
transcribers who will do the work. When you look at the geographic
spread of transcribers for our RN ships my feeling is that transcribers
will come from all over the English speaking world (first and
additional language). I am sure that they will all be welcomed as I
have been.
More
and wider variety, the better. But when we were doing RN ships,
most British news articles assumed we were all British. A fairly
normal response, assuming (wrongly!!) that your own ships would attract
that limited group as transcribers.
Don't worry about it, if it draws in anyone more, we will inform them promptly about our wonderful global community. ;)
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Here's two I missed -
http://www.repubblica.it/news/ambiente/rep_rinnovabili_nei-vecchi-diari-di-bordo-gli-indizi-di-un-clima-impazzito603986.html
http://www.tehrantimes.com/science/102811-us-looks-to-old-arctic-ship-logs-for-climate-change-clues
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If you need an English translation for the first one contents, let
me know (i'm in the non-English part of our global community ;) hope i'm
not the only one)
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That's why I put in 'additional language'. Considering the
problems I have in reading some of the entries in my native language I
am filled with awe that someone can do it with an additional one.
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Incidentally, the Russian and Chinese versions of our project
website (for the home and about pages only) are now enabled on
http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/arctic/rediscover/ .
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Another article from the media event launching Old Weather:Arctic
http://sites.agu.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Eos_NOAA.pdf (http://sites.agu.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Eos_NOAA.pdf)
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If
you need an English translation for the first one contents, let me know
(i'm in the non-English part of our global community ;) hope i'm not
the only one)
Cor
- it's 25 years since I went to Italy, and I understood that
article...I couldn't put it together myself - but I understood it.
Thanks for posting this propriome!
Let's hope that you find yourself among other Italians discovering OW! ;) ;D
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If
you need an English translation for the first one contents, let me know
(i'm in the non-English part of our global community ;) hope i'm not
the only one)
I
don't have a really good count, but the forum community includes at
least 2 Italians, several Dutch, Swiss and Polish. You are not
alone. 8)
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If
you need an English translation for the first one contents, let me know
(i'm in the non-English part of our global community ;) hope i'm not
the only one)
I
don't have a really good count, but the forum community includes at
least 2 Italians, several Dutch, Swiss and Polish. You are not
alone. 8)
Being
a bit OCD and trying to keep 'track' of whom I write to / with I
have the following 'notes:' 8 UK, 6 US, 3 Australia, 1 Poland, 1
Holland, 1 Belgium, 1 France, 1 Spain, 2 Canadian.
I know, I'm 'addicted!!' ;D ;D
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Karijn and Maikel are both Dutch.
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And don't forget Italian Lollia Paolina. ;)
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That's about 1/6 of the transcriptions right there ;D
AND we also have propriome for Italy!
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We're the United Nations right here!!!!! :D
'Forgot' Maikel and didn't know where Propriome and Lollia were. :-[
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We get a mention in the Resources and Links section on page 32 of
the Guide to Citizen Science
(http://www.ceh.ac.uk/news/news_archive/documents/GuideToCitizenScience_Version2_InteractiveWeb.pdf).
:)
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I'm glad to see we're among the 'select'!
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They were not really dealing with our type of citizen science and
our colleagues in Astronomy didn't get a mention because physics wasn't
part of the remit.
They didn't consider the spin off into what
Gordon calls 'Citizen History' which could also happen with some of the
local biodiversity studies. But nice to know we are appreciated.
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Galaxy Zoo was included. And it's good to considered a
model-to-be-copied in that presentation. I was surprised at how
many different types of Citizen Science are going on, besides our 'crowd
sourcing'.
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Here is a blog post from AOTUS: http://blogs.archives.gov/aotus/?p=4665
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Here is a blog post from AOTUS: http://blogs.archives.gov/aotus/?p=4665
'Another creative endeavor to get all 12 billion pages in our custody available digitally!' :o :o :o
Forget running out of pages folks - our children's children, and their children's children &c. &c. ;) ;D
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Oh, but we're only on the hook for the first 45 million pages :)
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;D
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Between Old Weather and the archivist's transcription set up, all of
us will have something to work on for the rest of our lives.
Wonderful!! ;D
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Well done to the US team, who appeared today in a great little piece on the Weather Channel.
http://www.weather.com/video/ship-logs-document-climate-change-34153
(http://www.weather.com/video/ship-logs-document-climate-change-34153)
I
have it on good authority that Kevin looks 'dashing' - also starring
are Mark, Kathy and (if you look really carefully), Elizabeth.
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I'm glad they chose some legible handwriting for the video - we
don't want to put people off before they've got properly hooked, do we.
Very informative snippet.
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Very nice!! I hope it gets us lots of volunteers. :)
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Fab job folks! That was a nice piece - I'd join OW after seeing that!
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Excellent. Well done, Kathy!
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Well done! A very nice and interesting coverage :D
I would join too after seeing that :D :D
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Thanks Jil - it is pure happenstance that I was asked to do the
piece - I live near Washington DC and was at the Archives event, which
led to this.
I am always happy to preach talk to people about Old Weather ;D
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Wow! that should get us some new help. Great job Kevin and Kathy!
The Jeannette's only 1/3 complete so there's room for more crew.
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Excellent job, team.
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Good work Kathy, Kevin, Mark, and Elizabeth!
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Nice video, but what's that Arctic theme about?
I'm almost through the first year of the U.S.S. Yorktown and she's in the Mediterranean and hasn't seen ice yet. :D
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You will be getting to China too ;)
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Nice video, but what's that Arctic theme about?
I'm almost through the first year of the U.S.S. Yorktown and she's in the Mediterranean and hasn't seen ice yet. :D
Oh I don't know - surely in the Officer's pre-dinner drinks? ;)
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Their drinks will be 'on the rocks', so again, no ice. ;D
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:P
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There is region called (by some) the Arctic Mediterranian. As yet no Club Arctic Med, though.
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Nice video, but what's that Arctic theme about?
I'm almost through the first year of the U.S.S. Yorktown and she's in the Mediterranean and hasn't seen ice yet. :D
Most
of our ships do indeed spend time in the arctic. Some of them,
like the survey ship Patterson, also spend time other places. We
will be getting between 20 and 40 years of logs on some of them, and
they didn't all stay put in one place. But I'm beginning to
strongly suspect that NARA (US National Archives and Records
Administration) snuck a few favorites of their own in, just to get the
scans for the archive. (Since they are funding the scanning end,
it's hard to argue about it. ;D )
I've also heard speculation on
maybe sneaking the USS Constitution (a.k.a. Old Ironsides) in - she's
the oldest commissioned ship still afloat in the world. I'll
forgive them, if we get see a bit of the War of 1812. We're in the
middle of That war's 200th anniversary, and I'm thinking we should be
celebrating the fact that it was the LAST time the US and UK were
enemies. :)
http://www.history.navy.mil/ussconstitution/history.html
The 44-gun USS CONSTITUTION, built in Boston, was launched on Oct. 21, 1797. ...
...she was taken out of active service in 1855. ...
She is currently a floating museum in Boston harbor.
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Our aim is to have every ship in the Arctic or bordering seas for
some time - though Mark and Co. got us over the barrel on this 'whole
ship's history' thing :) Since all of the data are new and valuable, and
the stories interesting, we didn't think anyone would mind terribly if
some ships might spend a bit time chasing Confederate commerce raiders
during the Civil War, on the way to dealing with the 'Bering Sea
Controversy' a few years later. But every one will have a chapter ripped
from Jack London (I mean the other way around).
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Any plans re the CG weather ships, like Station November?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkR4F3_fEUQ
Or German U-Boats? Both wars, of course. ;D
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I watched the piece on the Weather Channel itself - it was shorter and announcer kept saying it was US Navy ships ::)
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Any plans re the CG weather ships, like Station November?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkR4F3_fEUQ
Or German U-Boats? Both wars, of course. ;D
I
think those were all post-WW2. Which puts them outside our window
into the period when data was already sometimes digitized.
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Funny you should mention weather ships Clewi - someone came up to me
in the office just the other day and asked me if I was interested some
old Ocean Station Papa stuff that was piled under a desk somewhere. I'll
let you know what it is when I find out. We have a buoy there now.
http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/stnP/overview.html
As
for ships that may be seen in the near future: Greenland Patrol
(WW2)... There are some S-boats out there too, in the Aleutians, but I
haven't checked a log yet.
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But that Papa stuff (whatever it is) will be for another time...
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There are some S-boats out there too, in the Aleutians, but I haven't checked a log yet.
The Thousand-Mile war! Neat! ;D
But that Papa stuff (whatever it is) will be for another time...
:(
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Hurray !
Hi !
I've just seen this tweet from Arfon :
It's
official, we can now call it the 'award winning' @oldweather
http://www.rmets.org/rmets-award-winners-2012?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
? Congrats! Especially to @PhilipBrohan
It appears Old Weather
has won : The IBM Award for Meteorological Innovation that Matters : Old
Weather (led by Dr Philip Brohan)
Congrats to everyone !
The IBM Award
The IBM Award for Meteorological Innovation that Matters
The
award is based around innovation in meteorology, with a particular
focus on business and/or public impact. It recognises people, projects
or programmes within the academic, scientific or business communities
who have made significant contributions to educating, informing or
motivating organisations in their response to meteorological challenges,
for example climate change or significant weather events.
http://www.rmets.org/our-activities/awards/ibm-award
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:D :D :D :D :D
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8) 8) !!!!
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It's really nice to have us all included as assisting Philip's hard work. :)
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Manning and Cheering:
(http://www.tfaoi.com/am/14am/14am307.jpg)
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Congratulations to Philip and all the rest (that would be us, too :D)
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CONGRATULATIONS!
Phillip and Old Weather
Data, study, linked together
Science, History
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Wunderbar! Congratulations Philip! Gold stars all round.
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Congratulations!
I presume Philip's buying? Mine's a G & T!
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Mine too! Congratulations, Philip, and to us all .... :D
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Splice the mainbrace, cox'n!!
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Well done Phillip!
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Fantastic news Philip -richly deserved for all your hard work. And the support team too of course!
(http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m335/filipinas40/Congratulations.gif)
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Congratulations to Philip for all your hard work!
A richly deserved reward!!!
And to us for helping!
(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_0490.gif) (http://www.desismileys.com/)
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How about that? :) Congrats to everyone who had a hand in it, and that'd be all of you.
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Congratulations Phillip. It is great to be a part of it.
K
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Thank you all - and I'd like to add my congratulations on winning the award.
I'm
very proud to be point man for oldWeather, but the project is a success
because of everybody's contributions - and we should all take a share
in the recognition. We're a success and an exemplar for innovation not
only because of our weather and climate contributions, but also because
of the design and user interface of our website, because of our links to
archives and the humanities, because of the ship histories we are
constructing, because of the surrounding and supporting work of the
Zooniverse, and especially because of the extraordinary contributions of
many participants. You have gone way above and beyond what we
originally asked.
When we started oldWeather it was a just
climate data rescue project. It still does that and does it well, but
we've grown into something much richer, more powerful, and more fun; and
that's your doing.
We've always known oldWeather was awesome,
it's great to have some external recognition of that - well done to us
all - there's none like us.
Philip
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I do have one question though - is it Italian?
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For those who might wonder why I ask if it is Italian - I highly recommend a wonderful movie called A Christmas Story -
The
dad in the movie wins a contest, and well, there is a Youtube clip that
won't pop out (so can't be posted), but please watch it - a taste below
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(http://imageshack.us/a/img832/5922/amajoraward.jpg)
Caro fixed up the pictures - she is a photo art genius! :-*
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The only part that would pop out is the original trailer for the movie.
https://www.youtube.com/tv?vq=medium#/watch?v=uvMLfSQrHKE&mode=transport
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Hi,
As I have emailed separately to various groups - a tremendous accomplishment.
In
discussion with someone, I made the comment that I hope a way will be
found to let all the transcribers know about this award. I thought it
would be a real fillip for them. Pun was not intended, but I do like it.
Gordon
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It's Ourfun :D (I couldn't resist).
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Can't be left out. My first email included:
With especial thanks to:
Chris for Zooniverse;
Arfon for heading up the team
Philip for managing OW,
Transcribers, Editors and Moderators etc, in their thousands, tens and ones.
If I left anyone out - let me know.
I would think this is a real breakthrough in Citizen Science.
Also thought Philip deserved a separate email, but I'll spare his blushes.
Suggestions have been sought as to how we might celebrate this award. I shall
unashamedly use the forum to further my own wicked aims to make Citizen
Science and Old Weather as popular as possible:
Everything is highly specialised these days but this project has brought
together two apparently disparate subjects - meteorology and naval history,
science and art. How about some sort of award to a university or school student who
comes up with the best equivalent uniting two different disciplines using
Citizen Science.
If there's any merit in this suggestion, maybe "The Old Weather Award for
Innovation in Citizen Science" as a one off, but keeps OW in the public eye
a bit more. Why not an annual "Zooniverse Award ditto."
Gordon
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Well Gordon - you should be named as well - your work on the history
side is historic - the release of so much information is highly
noteworthy. Take a gold star and go to the top of the class! ;D ;D ;D
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From UW press office:
http://www.washington.edu/news/2013/03/28/volunteers-use-historic-u-s-ship-logbooks-to-uncover-arctic-climate-data/
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A very nice article. :)
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Very good!
The "more than 16000 active volunteers" will be necessary when we have the next 20 ships. ;)
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;D
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And this is the public lecture posting:
http://seattlefosep.wordpress.com/2013/03/25/fosep-seminar-dr-kevin-wood-on-arctic-large-scale-environmental-data-rescue-through-crowdsourcing/
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Dream. All data visible on one screen, date, place, meteorological data, descriptions.
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Just talking about that with our pals over at the National Archives....
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Kalaalit Nunaata Radioa:
Klimaforandringer kortl?gges p? alternativ m?de
http://www.knr.gl/da/nyheder/klimaforandringer-kortl%C3%A6gges-p%C3%A5-alternativ-m%C3%A5de
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Cool that we have been noticed in Denmark. I added a post giving our url. ;)
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Neat - good idea to add the link. Greenland Radio actually. Wonder how that got picked up?
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Someone may have been googling and picked up some of our stuff or
posts with Greenland names. I just didn't want to waste the chance
to advertize. :)
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Kalaalit Nunaata Radioa:
Klimaforandringer kortl?gges p? alternativ m?de
http://www.knr.gl/da/nyheder/klimaforandringer-kortl%C3%A6gges-p%C3%A5-alternativ-m%C3%A5de
Which ship is that log from?
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Kalaalit Nunaata Radioa:
Klimaforandringer kortl?gges p? alternativ m?de
http://www.knr.gl/da/nyheder/klimaforandringer-kortl%C3%A6gges-p%C3%A5-alternativ-m%C3%A5de
Which ship is that log from?
I can't figure that out. Shipherds - which ship had a totally blank free-form logbook in 1906?
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I've never seen a log page like that.
I'm not sure it is in English. August is the same word in Danish. :-\
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It is definitely not in English. I just did a big magnification of
it and it is Danish/Scandinavian. Another string to Kevin's bow? I
guess they'd get pretty good reports of the ice in the Baltic Sea. :D
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They probably found out about us by accident, and the editor wanted a
pic for the write-up, so got one from a local whaling museum. I
don't believe the sloppy weather records came from any organized 20th
century navy. A very clever move, I think - it bypassed all the
red tape needed to find a real navy log. :)
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http://www.nature.com/naturejobs/science/articles/10.1038/nj7444-259a
A mention for Philip and Old Weather under the sub heading 'Reaching out'.
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He should have stressed the role of the moderators a bit more, after
all you are the interface between the transcribers and the science team
- you also did a lot of the interface beta testing. Otherwise I think
we showed up very well.
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I expect that only a small part of what was said made it to the final article.
And yes, I think we all sound pretty good! :D
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That is indeed a nice picture of us. They gave us a couple paragraphs, itself a compliment. :)
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It appears we have again been 'listed' in Scientific American Magazine! ;D
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=new-method-proves-climate-change-is-real&goback=%2Egde_145020_member_231206096
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Just goes to show what a good idea, some dedicated computer whizzes
and a few thousand volunteers can produce. Have computer, will
collaborate.
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Three cheers for us!
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;D 8)
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The Biologist's 10 Great Citizen Science Projects includes ...
http://issuu.com/societyofbiology/docs/bio_60_3/27?e=4597265/3129242
You can spot the obvious errors for yourself. It's the thought that counts. ;)
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Beagle? What Beagle?
Did that guy do ANY research on our project at all?
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The only place we meet the beagle is in one of the intro videos for OW
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Is there any way we can write the editor and tell them that their
reporter's research and editor's quality control checks need some
improvement? It's nice to be named, would be nicer if they knew
what we were about.
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Beagle? What Beagle?
Did that guy do ANY research on our project at all?
I think BOGGLE is more like it!! :o Boggles the mind how dumb people are!! :P
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One that I missed posting:
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/charting-the-arctics-future-with-nautical-logbooks-from-the-past-15847
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That one is really cool!!! thanks. :)
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I know the moderators have described regulating the forum as akin to
herding cats but 'horde' of transcribers. OK, I know we have
strayed from our prescribed weather transcription into geography, health
etc so the new cohort has to become even more anarchic to fully justify
the description = become creative, Phase 3 transcribers, the world (or
at least the Arctic) is your oyster.
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a large group, multitude, or number; crowd.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/horde
Unfortunately, it is not really correct in that sense either.
However, what we lack in numbers we make up in enthusiasm ;)
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The 16,000+ horde was Phase 2 reality - so it was just a bit of a stretch to say, "That's OW." ;D
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This is found by Kevin -
Here is an article written by a journalist who's actually done some transcribing. Would you mind posting in OW in the News?
Thanks so much,
Kevin
Please read attached pdf.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/Er01eEkoojcJHdVVPkFxqVLNnrAWJHr8dDvul9K4B5Q=w693-h206-p-no)
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The article is cut off :(
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Try opening the pdf, Kathy. ;)
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30 hours a week! I feel like a real lightweight!
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Nice mix of science, history and advertising.
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Oh dear - It wasn't in the PDF, but rather in the eyes of the
beholder - I had to enlarge the article to read it, and that made it
seem cut off. ;D
Very nicely done, Stuart!
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Great!
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If he wanted excitement, he should have transcribed the Jeannette or
the Corwin (not to mention the Bear, Rodgers and Thetis). The Yukon was
pretty boring. I am glad he persevered but he didn't go to the end
because the Yukon is still only 88% complete. Perhaps his article will
attract others, though.
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Yukon (I) is not exactly a ship for newbies ;)
I think the Yukon I and II logs are still mixed together :(
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Too true - so are Unalga I and II logs.
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In http://www.oldweather.org/ships/ there are separate entries for Unalga I and II :-\
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Perfect.
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30 hours a week! I feel like a real lightweight!
That was i a month where I had little on and I was stuck in the house
I lead a boring life but that is now changing and OW is taking up a little less of my time, exercise and Holidays more.
I
just looked at that link - the editor may have round-filed the
idea. Neither you nor our subject matter look like rural North
American living. :P
I am sure there are more interesting stories out there in OW land, but nice to be noted. %^)
Thanks Kevin.
Kathy, Look to see if you had a slide bar on the bottom of your PDF screen which will allow you to see the RHS of the page.
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not OUR old weather, but here NASA has compiled 130 years of earth surface temperatures in a video
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap130731.html
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That is frightening. Thank you for providing it.
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I'd forgotten about this one:
http://issuu.com/thegrogration/docs/the_grog_fall_2012
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It's amazing we went that long between athletic presidents. ::)
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The article about OW is on p18.
I didn't know that we
transcribed James Markam Ambler's log. There is a change in handwriting
in December 1879 in the log we transcribed.
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We did NOT transcribe James Markam Ambler's log. Kevin was
told it also survived and is kept by the Surgeon General in the BuMed
(Bureau of Medicine) Museum/Archive. NARA really wants this and
DeLong's captain's log and our ship log accessible as a set, but I don't
think we are set up for that yet. Their log looks like attached,
from page 19.
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Of all the Jeanette log books I find this the most profoundly
moving. Lain next to its starved owner during the winter arctic blasts. I
simply cannot imagine what it would be like to touch it. :-\
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We made the Smithsonian's Blog. :)
(http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/wp-content/themes/SurprisingScience/surprising-science-logo.gif)
August 23, 2013
Five Unusual Ways Scientists Are Studying Climate Change (http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/science/2013/08/five-unusual-ways-scientists-are-studying-climate-change/#ixzz2d7avz9yv)
Read
more:
http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/science/2013/08/five-unusual-ways-scientists-are-studying-climate-change/#ixzz2d7avz9yv
Follow us: @SmithsonianMag on Twitter
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I am looking forward to the 18th century ships!
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Neat!
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I spotted a pair of hyrax while on holiday - who knows they may have
been contributing to science and not just peering down at us!
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I
spotted a pair of hyrax while on holiday - who knows they may have been
contributing to science and not just *peering* down at us!
**remove one letter (r) and do not rearrange.
Sorry - couldn't let that one go past. :-[ ;D
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Morning Joan.
hyax ? ???
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Morning Joan.
hyax ? ???
same here :-[
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Hi Randi.
Just got it.
We were looking at the wrong word.
Very rude Joan.
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Ah! No wonder it took us so long to get it :o
Should she be reported to the moderators? ;)
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Maybe a little 'gift' from the heavens??!! ::)
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Maybe she thinks that they were in training for the cricket team.
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It was seeing that picture of a lump of 55000 year old dried hyrax
pee. :-[ I thought it was a lump of squashed rotten
honeycomb..before I read the Surprising Science article. :-\
I think that the hyrax is off my domestic pet list from now on... ;)
Of course if you didn't read that article I'll look like a right idiot...ooopsie :P
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You caught us out :-[
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Tell you what though - I'll NEVER whinge again about some of the
watery writing we get - I'd rather transcribe that with my slippers on
and my cuppa on the side, than face a lump of 55000 year old hyrax pee.
yeeeeuuurrrggghhhhhh... ;) ;) ;) 8)
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I think that the hyrax is off my domestic pet list from now on... ;)
Just
a question of siting the litter tray in the right place ... I think
they look rather cute. Hard to believe they are the elephant's
closest living relative, though!
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How many house pets come litter box trained by nature? 8)
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Maybe she thinks that they were in training for the cricket team.
Ouch.
:(
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ok - that reference needs to be explained to this Yank...
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I don't understand it either :-\ 8) :D
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England beat the Aussies at cricket to win a very small glass urn
holding, so it is said, the ashes of a cricket bat. So, England have won
the 'Ashes' at the final match held at a historic cricket ground.
The team had an on-pitch celebration when the crowds had gone home and
press-reports said that, due to the liquid refreshment they had imbibed,
some of the team were constrained to apply a naturally produced liquid
nitrogenous feed to the grass of the cricket wicket.
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It is a teracotta urn but you do have the jist of it correct.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ashes
Being
an English man who has had a lobotomy to become an Australian (cheaper
than renewing Visa's), I can barrack for the winners every time. %^)
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I had a wooden whistle but it wouldn't whistle.
I got a steel whistle but it steel wouldn't whistle.
I got a tin whistle and now I tin whistle!! ::)
Maybe that's why they got a wooden urn... I wonder what a wooden might urn? :P
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MEN!
;D
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I had a wooden whistle but it wouldn't whistle.
I got a steel whistle but it steel wouldn't whistle.
I got a tin whistle and now I tin whistle!! ::)
Maybe that's why they got a wooden urn... I wonder what a wooden might urn? :P
Sorry Dean you got in before my change to the post. it was Terracotta not wooden. sorry.
Nice rhyme though.
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::) ;D ;D
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We got a mention on a site with an unusual name. (search in your browser window on the page for Oldweather)
http://bottledmonsters.blogspot.com.au/ (http://bottledmonsters.blogspot.com.au/)
Cool. :)
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Kevin sent us the link to download his latest paper.
Not
OW exactly but this does highlight some of the complexity we're engaged
with while interpreting point observations in the Pacific sector.
http://www.polarresearch.net/index.php/polar/article/view/19552
Cheers,
Kevin
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Doesn't exactly mention OW but still a great article:
http://www.iflscience.com/technology/thinking-outside-lab-ascent-citizen-science
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http://ec.europa.eu/environment/integration/research/newsalert/pdf/IR9.pdf
We get a short mention on page 5 and are listed on page 32 under Example Projects.
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Article from Discoverer magazine, September 2013:
http://discovermagazine.com/2013/september/22-swab-data-not-decks#.Ur8zEvRDu8G
And
also, BuzzFeed mentioned us, along with other Zooniverse projects, on
No. 5 of this list.
(http://www.buzzfeed.com/luckytran/13-ways-diy-science-triumphed-in-2013-hrv3)
Awesome!
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;D
That log book page is from Bear, not Jamestown!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Bear/BEAR_001_jpgs/b001of002_0101_0.jpg
Jamestown (1844) is a very poor choice for a beginner :(
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Poetic license, Randi - they cut the heading off so it won't disrupt interested readers thinking to join us. ::)
I really liked getting included in that 13 Ways DIY Science Triumphed In 2013 list, along with Planet4. Thanks, Hanibal. :)
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Yeah, I was pleased to see it too because BuzzFeed is a LOT more
popular, especially amongst young people, than most of the websites that
have done articles on OW. That list should get us some new members - if
not for OW, then at least for the Zooniverse in general.
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Thanks, Hanibal. I enjoyed reading about the other projects too. I
had heard an interview with the young Kenyan boy who discovered how to
keep lions away from their livestock without having to shoot them. Very
inspiring. The boy has even given a TED talk about his invention.
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This is from Zooniverse Facebook. :)
https://www.facebook.com/therealzooniverse - go Spacewarps!!!
One
of the most beautiful graphs of all time! The one million
classification per hour spike from last night #stargazing
(https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/stargazing)
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Wow. :o :o :o
I am SO jealous. Why can't Old Weather get this kind of publicity?
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Ditto!
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Our honorable mention in the International Data Rescue Award in the
Geosciences is mentioned in Eos and The Wall Street Journal.
Be proud. :)
Eos, Transactions American Geophysical Union
Eos, Vol. 95, No. 1, 7 January 2014
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2014EO010002/pdf
The Wall Street Journal
Europe Edition
Tuesday, January 7, 2014
http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20140107-904223.html
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Cool!!!
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Great but it would have been even better if they had indicated that
people could still get involved in OW and you didn't need to be a
professional. You just need a computer, internet connection and a
bit of dedicated perseverance.
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Was that 'dedicated perseverance' or 'Obsessive Compulsive Tendencies??!!' ::)
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yes ;)
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Far be it from me to hijack a technical reference to someone else's speciality - if you think it fits you however ...
;D ;D
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Was that 'dedicated perseverance' or 'Obsessive Compulsive Tendencies??!!' ::)
Whatever floats your boat! ;D
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Could we cope with that level of influx? :-\
They hoped to get 500,000 in the first hour's program time, they got 4 million. 8)
I think it's about time to persuade the Beeb to do a prog about citizen science
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Since the main interest in OW at the moment is ice could we persuade
a telegenic polar 'name' to front it, maybe. The ones that spring
to my mind would be Ranulf Fiennes or James Cracknell. Other
people will have their own ideas.
So, a bit about changes in the
polar ice caps, a bit about modelling climate and then data rescue with
something from a historian about the interesting side benefits we get
from the logs plus maybe a bit on the eruptions we have noted and the
other phenomena that people want to know about. Then a bit of
realism that some days are just plain dull (dry dock!!) but the
fascination with 'your' ship and the other ships and people she meets.
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Sounds good!
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Don't forget to mention the forum as a place of learning, chatting
and joking. It's one of the best parts of OW, and the main reason I
haven't switched to any of the newer Zooniverse projects (well, not
permanently anyway).
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I missed that part of it, Hanibal, but this did not come out too bad. :)
In the Chicago Tribune today: Want to aid science? You can Zooniverse (http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/ct-zooniverse-adler-planetarium-20140129,0,7309196.column?)
This is so weird - they let anyone read it when shared on Facebook. Try this copy:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IPUXPehOZd-wf7tHHsbnqJe_BCGjcKUzaRkhXXOOxJ4/edit
Or try the link on my Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/janet.jaguar
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Hooray! Make sure you read the whole article folks. :)
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To
continue reading this PLUS story and more, you need to be a digital
member. Choose an option below to continue. If you're already registered
just sign in below.
:P
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This is so weird - they let anyone read it when shared on Facebook. Try this copy:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IPUXPehOZd-wf7tHHsbnqJe_BCGjcKUzaRkhXXOOxJ4/edit
Or try the link on my Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/janet.jaguar
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IPUXPehOZd-wf7tHHsbnqJe_BCGjcKUzaRkhXXOOxJ4/edit
worked for me
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I was able to view the original link without any problems, even though I'm not a member - digital or otherwise.
I did notice one big error, though: They got the URL wrong.
It should be Zooniverse.org, not Zooniverse.com. The latter just takes you to a mostly blank page.
Otherwise, it's a nice article. Thanks for sharing it, Janet.
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This alternative worked for me - thanks Janet, and well done for giving us a boost!
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Yep, that article might well gain some more recruits and some will
stick around and become part of the different communities of the
Zooniverse. Well done.
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I was able to view the original link without any problems, even though I'm not a member - digital or otherwise.
I did notice one big error, though: They got the URL wrong.
It should be Zooniverse.org, not Zooniverse.com. The latter just takes you to a mostly blank page.
Otherwise, it's a nice article. Thanks for sharing it, Janet.
That
embarrassing error should be fixed by now - I emailed the problem last
night and then called him today; he said the error was fixed before
printing it in paper (somebody at Adler please check that?) and he is
now fixing the e-edition. I hope. :-[
They did fix it. I really need to get my hands on the paper edition before I stop worrying. JJ
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Article still has .com in body but .org at end in Janets link and
.com for both in another link.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-01-29/entertainment/ct-zooniverse-adler-planetarium-20140129_1_citizen-science-citizen-scientists-research/2
(http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-01-29/entertainment/ct-zooniverse-adler-planetarium-20140129_1_citizen-science-citizen-scientists-research/2)
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OK- the url changed when they fixed the link; the print version is
now at
http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/ct-zooniverse-adler-planetarium-20140129,0,1070595,print.column
The
Facebook link and registration-needed live link corrected
themselves.
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Interview with National Public Radio (WHYY) tomorrow morning. I'll
let you all know when it is supposed to air. This is the one that
arrived by way of the forum, by the way.
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We'll watch for the time. :)
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Old Weather NPR - Friday 28th 9 am EST on WHYY - and it will be streaming by that afternoon.
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8)
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I listened to The Pulse broadcast, and NO KEVIN! >:(
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Me too, and nothing. Something fell thru. (I'm listening
on TuneIn free cable radio for the computer, and they time delayed -
east coast 9am the Pulse played in Chicago at 9am.) Could it be
the earlier show? I didn't get it turned on until 8:15.
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I was listening from the beginning - I came on about 9:04 ET, and
nothing about Old Weather - I heard part of the NPR news update, and
then the program from the beginning.
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A brand new funny blog post:
http://blog.oldweather.org/2014/03/04/code-breaking-and-oldweather/
The key to decipher it is directly inside the page ;) ;) ;)
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HMS and USS seem fairly easy to spot.
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Hate to spoil the fun, but here's the decoded version:
we
always have an eye to the future, here at oldweather, and we've noticed
our friends at the archives photographing some newer logs - u.s. ships
from the mid-20th century - as well as the older ones we're used to. the
archives are not photographing them for us - they are part of another
project - but they are generous people, and they will give us a copy of
the log book images if we want them. do we want them?
well of
course we do - our love for logbooks never fails, and we are determined
that the knowledge in them will not pass away. but we can't do
everything right now. so we do, unfortunately, have to be sensible, and
set priorities, and yada yada yada.
the most important thing to
know about any possible new logs, is whether anyone has looked at them
before: have their weather observations already been transcribed? to
find out, we need to look in icoads (the international database where we
store our weather records) and see what there is from any ship we are
interested in - but there's a catch.
most of us refer to a ship
by its name; once the owner has decided to name a ship hms wonganella
then the rest of us should just follow along. our predecessors, however,
who digitised some logbook weather records decades ago, did not agree.
perhaps the names were too long to fit onto the hollerith cards they
used for data storage, but whatever their reason they used code numbers
as ship identifiers. so if we want to find the records of the uss
arkansas in icoads, we need to know that her code number is 01033 - and,
in general, we don't.
but the oldweather team are a capable
bunch, and kevin and mark are fathoming this mystery. with help from
icoads experts at ncdc and nocs they are decoding the icoads identifiers
so we can link the old observations with the archive's logbooks and
pick out those still unread.
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Thank you - I'd figured out the message and the kind of code, but
hadn't yet found the way to convert the whole program - simple Word find
and replace, because once I replaced all the f's with s's I couldn't
replace only the old s's with f's. (And I'm too lazy to do that
kind of length the brutal letter-by-letter way. ;) )
What did you use to complete the decoding?
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Just google for ROT13 decoder.
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Here for example (there are countless decoders around the
internet... Caesar Cipher - aka rot-13 - is the most simple, as well as
one of the most ancient):
http://www.xarg.org/tools/caesar-cipher/
(the hint on the page was the picture of Nerva, 13th Caesar)
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Learning new things yet again about the internet. Thanks ::) 8)
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Note for nerds: The process for decoding that kind of cipher is
called letter frequency analysis.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_analysis). It basically involves
counting, guessing, and a lot of spare time - or, in this age, finding a
free program with a quick Google search, just like Nico and Matteo
suggested.
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I like to use letter and pattern frequency :P
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Thanks for posting the decoded message, Hanibal. It's been a long day ...
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It starts
We always have an eye to the future, here at oldWeather, and we've noticed our friends at the archives .... etc
If you want the code then ask.
CBZZL FGHNEG. ;)
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Thanks for posting the decoded message, Hanibal. It's been a long day ...
I'll second that Thursday Next! Thanks Hannibal! 8) :D
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Thanks for posting the decoded message, Hanibal. It's been a long day ...
I'll second that Thursday Next! Thanks Hannibal! 8) :D
Where did hanibal post it, or is that a secret as well. ???
OOOps.
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Previous page, mid way up.
Thanks, Hanibal.
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Ooops, Hidden in plain view, what a dastardly act. I really must look further back.
I did it the hard way till I found the letters were shifted 13 positions.
Thanks
camiller.
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In code, I'm Oiofgzu
Doesn't quite trip off the tongue like Avastmehearties :-\ :-\ ;D
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Doesn't quite trip off the tongue like Avastmehearties :-\ :-\ ;D
OH! So that's what the MH stands for .... how did I never figure that out?
P.S. My code name is UNAVONY27, assuming digits are treated the same way as letters.
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That sounds pretty good ;D
unlike ENAQV.
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Qrna here! 8)
Joan: Thanks for 'confirming' what I have 'secretly' thought for some time!! :D
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Put on the right square, your coded alter ego could be a very good scrabble score, Dean ;) ;D
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Radio segment up now:
http://www.newsworks.org/index.php/local/the-pulse/65229-citi-sci-old-weather-
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And listen to it by clicking the Audio icon in the title line. :)
Mark Mollan in this interview is OldWeather's own assigned archivist at NARA.
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A mention in the Guardian:
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/mar/12/you-can-find-planet-citizen-science
(http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/mar/12/you-can-find-planet-citizen-science)
And
a long interview with our own Gil Compo: mostly about the use of our
observations in supercomputer-based atmospheric state reconstructions:
http://www.hpcwire.com/soundbite/powering-20th-century-weather-reanalysis-project/
(http://www.hpcwire.com/soundbite/powering-20th-century-weather-reanalysis-project/)
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(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_4547.gif)
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Really nice!!! :D
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Good to be in the news! :D 8)
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And
a long interview with our own Gil Compo: mostly about the use of our
observations in supercomputer-based atmospheric state reconstructions:
http://www.hpcwire.com/soundbite/powering-20th-century-weather-reanalysis-project/
(http://www.hpcwire.com/soundbite/powering-20th-century-weather-reanalysis-project/)
The
interview with Gil Compo is interesting but it left me with lots of
questions. Why, for example, does he only use air pressure to estimate
all other parameters when we have captured many of the ones he needs?
Also, how can he simulate air pressure at 28 altitudes when we only have
sea-level measurements? Finally, what are some of the other weather
reconstruction projects? Is there some thing we can read about Gil's
work?
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And
a long interview with our own Gil Compo: mostly about the use of our
observations in supercomputer-based atmospheric state reconstructions:
http://www.hpcwire.com/soundbite/powering-20th-century-weather-reanalysis-project/
(http://www.hpcwire.com/soundbite/powering-20th-century-weather-reanalysis-project/)
The
interview with Gil Compo is interesting but it left me with lots of
questions. Why, for example, does he only use air pressure to estimate
all other parameters when we have captured many of the ones he needs?
Also, how can he simulate air pressure at 28 altitudes when we only have
sea-level measurements? Finally, what are some of the other weather
reconstruction projects? Is there some thing we can read about Gil's
work?
I'll PM and ask Philip. :)
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I could have sworn you replied saying that Philip would pass my question to Gil, but I can't find your post, Janet.
In
any case, Philip must be able to answer my first question about other
weather reconstruction projects than Gil's using our data? Is Gil's
project the only one at this time?
This makes me think that if
air pressure is more important than temperature in climate modeling it
would be a good idea to display it on the side bar so that we can review
it and look for typos. I am sure I make more errors on pressure
than on temperature because it's easy to find and correct errors when
you can see what you have typed in context. But perhaps Philip finds our
error rate to be within acceptable limits and it is not necessary to
make any changes?
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I wasn't a post, it was a PM - mostly because I was already inside
the PMs reading Philip's reply. He did see your whole original
post because I just copy/pasted it in quotes. Here is his answer.
I've passed this onto Gil. No promises.
Cheers, Philip
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I found this abstract of a paper on the techniques used: Feasibility of a 100-Year Reanalysis Using Only Surface Pressure Data. I can see why Philip didn't want to explain it to me ;D
I
looked at the "ensemble Kalman filter" description on Wikipedia and
decided to wait for the "for-Dummies" version. ;D
Abstract
Climate
variability and global change studies are increasingly focused on
understanding and predicting regional changes of daily weather
statistics. Assessing the evidence for such variations over the last 100
yr requires a daily tropospheric circulation dataset. The only dataset
available for the early twentieth century consists of error-ridden
hand-drawn analyses of the mean sea level pressure field over the
Northern Hemisphere. Modern data assimilation systems have the potential
to improve upon these maps, but prior to 1948, few digitized upper-air
sounding observations are available for such a "reanalysis." We
investigate the possibility that the additional number of newly
recovered surface pressure observations is sufficient to generate useful
weather maps of the lower-tropospheric extratropical circulation back
to 1890 over the Northern Hemisphere, and back to 1930 over the Southern
Hemisphere. Surprisingly, we find that by using an advanced data
assimilation system based on an ensemble Kalman filter, it would be
feasible to produce high-quality maps of even the upper troposphere
using only surface pressure observations. For the beginning of the
twentieth century, the errors of such upper-air circulation maps over
the Northern Hemisphere in winter would be comparable to the 2?3-day
errors of modern weather forecasts.
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And
a long interview with our own Gil Compo: mostly about the use of our
observations in supercomputer-based atmospheric state reconstructions:
http://www.hpcwire.com/soundbite/powering-20th-century-weather-reanalysis-project/
(http://www.hpcwire.com/soundbite/powering-20th-century-weather-reanalysis-project/)
The
interview with Gil Compo is interesting but it left me with lots of
questions. Why, for example, does he only use air pressure to estimate
all other parameters when we have captured many of the ones he needs?
Also, how can he simulate air pressure at 28 altitudes when we only have
sea-level measurements? Finally, what are some of the other weather
reconstruction projects? Is there some thing we can read about Gil's
work?
Craig,
These are great questions!
It
turns out that surface pressure is related to the weather variability
throughout the troposphere, well up to the jet-stream. We use a
numerical weather prediction model to estimate the relationship between
pressure and all of the other variables, and then use the pressure
observations to figure out what was actually happening as best we can.
So, we are not simulating the weather, we are actually reconstructing
it. When we compare to real measurements made away from the surface of
the earth in the early 20th century, shortly after the invention of the
airplane, these measurement and our reconstruction ("reanalysis")
compare very well.
You can read more about the 20th Century
Reanalysis Project in the main technical paper (free to access) at
http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/qj.776
News articles about the project
and the overall Atmospheric Reconstructions over the Earth initiative
(www.met-acre.org) and related projects such as oldweather.org are
linked off of the 20CR homepage http://go.usa.gov/XTd
A
particularly good general science article with an accompanying video
starts at http://ascr-discovery.science.doe.gov/feature/weather1.shtml
As
to the question of why are we not using other variables, this is an
excellent question. To clarify, sea surface temperature and sea ice
concentration are prescribed, so actually, we will use the
oldweather.org sea surface temperatures and sea ice observations, but
indirectly for the atmospheric reconstruction. Reconstructions or
reanalysis of the sea surface temperature or sea ice concentration will
use the observations directly.
Pressure turns out to be an
extremely valuable measurement because it is related to what is
happening to the entire atmospheric column over a broad area and not
just what is happening at the surface, like the air temperature or wind
can be. When we have several pressure observations, through
dynamical relationships, we can determine the wind (think of how the
wind spins around a low pressure center). Using additional relationships
that are encoded in the numerical weather prediction, we can also
estimate how the winds are varying in the vertical. We can then
determine how the winds and temperature will change.
As to other
efforts, ours is not the only one. There is a Japanese effort led by
the Japan Meteorological Agency and a European effort led by the
European Centre for Medium Range Weather Forecasts (ECMWF)
http://www.era-clim.eu. These will both be trying to reanalyze the
atmosphere and the ocean state. ECMWF includes the wind observations. We
prefer to retain them as verification, at least for now. Both efforts
are collaborating with us and very aware of the excellent data that
oldweather.org is recovering.
Oceanographers are also trying
to separately reanalyze the ocean. One such effort is led by Ben Giese
at Texas A&M University. Oldweather.org sea surface temperature
observations will be used in a future version of that ocean reanalysis.
Additional
efforts that have generated data sets can be found at reanalyses.org.
Most use all of the available weather observations, and so do not go
back to the early 20th or 19th century like our 20th Century Reanalysis.
If you are interested in examining what has been done so far,
without having to do any programming, we have visualization tools for
maps and time series at http://go.usa.gov/XTd and additional Tools are
linked off of http://reanalyses.org/atmosphere/tools. (End of plug ;-) )
If I can clarify anything, please let me know.
best wishes,
gil compo
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Gil Compo, Research Scientist, CIRES
University of Colorado
Mail : CIRES
NOAA Physical Sciences Division
Earth System Research Laboratory
325 Broadway R/PSD1, Boulder, CO 80305-3328
Email: compo@colorado.edu
Phone: (303) 497-6115 Fax: (303) 497-6449
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/people/gilbert.p.compo
http://reanalyses.org
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"We don't get many peeks at God's data set; the
rest have caveats." D.K. Hooper
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The contents of this message are mine personally
and do not necessarily reflect any position of
NOAA or the University of Colorado.
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Craig,
Also, if you would like to see how the 20th Century
Reanalysis compares with in-situ measurements made from radiosondes,
there is an online viewer available from
http://reanalyses.org/observations/raobcorerich-visualization
best wishes,
gil
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Wow!! Thanks, Gil, a very complete answer. :)
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Yes, thanks indeed, Gil. I was poking around looking at some
of your work on the Internet and got a rough idea but your post in
layman's terms helps a lot! The statistics are beyond my level but I
find your work fascinating.
Craig
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Hi Gil.
Can you forecast good thermal days for gliding downunder?
%^)
Stuart.
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Stuart, do you have a Tardis to take you back pre-1950? ;D
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It is very interesting to read about some of the uses of old data,
Gil. I was surprised to read about the early 20th century Arctic warming
and how little appears to be known about it. I had a quick look at our
current ships and it seems that only the Unalga was in the north in the
1920s (but perhaps not above 60 degrees north). However, there are some
new ship logs being prepared for transcription that cover the Arctic
between 1920 and 1940.
Figure 1 in your paper shows that the
uncertainty in the synoptic charts is much higher in 1922 when there
were fewer data observations. Do you think your reanalysis technique
will be robust enough to settle the question of whether this earlier
warming was a natural fluctuation or caused by human activity?
I
am struggling to understand your paper and the general science article
you mentioned is a bit too simplified. Is there anything, other than a
university course in meteorology, that would help? ;D
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it seems that only the Unalga was in the north in the 1920s (but perhaps not above 60 degrees north).
In
1916 Unalga is cruising along southern side of Aleutians chain, Unimak
to Unalaska back and forth... northernmost point touched so far about
61N, but at Anchorage, still on the Northern Pacific Coast.
I don't
think they'll be cruising Northern Bering Sea or Chukchi Sea soon, even
if they're officially part of the Bering Sea Fleet.
Edit:
However both Bear and Manning are here in the Aleutians in 1916 (Tethis
has been mentioned and transferred us people via Bear - not sure if
she's in the south, and Snohomish has been mentioned several times at
Seattle before departing for Alaska).
Edit2: On June
Unalga received stores for Saint Paul and Saint George Islands, so we
should move a little northward soon (still under 60o though).
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Thanks for the correction, Matteo. It seems that the period 1920-1940 is when the warming occurred.
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Pioneer seems to be spending every summer season in the Aleutians -
all in the 1920s so far, though her logs continue until 1935.
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Was not a correction!
Summer 1916 is quite crowded with OW ships, but I have (still) no infos on 1920 :)
I'll
let you know about the situation in the '20s... four years earlier
climate were quite rigid until May with snow squalls and bad weather.
According
to Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1916), on January 24, 1916, in
Montana was recorded the greatest drop in temperature in one single
day... 44F to -56F :o
Edit: As of 16 June 1916, Saint Matthew Island (60.41, -172.72) was unreachable from the South due to heavy ice...
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It
is very interesting to read about some of the uses of old data, Gil. I
was surprised to read about the early 20th century Arctic warming and
how little appears to be known about it. I had a quick look at our
current ships and it seems that only the Unalga was in the north in the
1920s (but perhaps not above 60 degrees north). However, there are some
new ship logs being prepared for transcription that cover the Arctic
between 1920 and 1940.
Here
is a paper on the early warming (one Gil cites I think) - open access.
The older papers referenced are really interesting. This is one of the
reasons we're interested in getting better data for the Pacific - Arctic
back then.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/joc.1973/abstract
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Thanks, Kevin. This paper looks a little more my speed. :)
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This time it's the Nature Conservancy writing about us -
http://blog.nature.org/science/2014/04/15/citizen-science-oldweather-climate-change-data/
Thanks Annette for a great job explaining us to them.
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Very nice! Good job Annette for explaining it so well. Here's hoping we get some new hands from that!
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Great job Annette ! ! !
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:D
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Gosh, I can really understand why I've hung around so long.
Well done Annette.
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Very well done, Annette. Thank you!! :)
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You're all such a great community, that's more than half of the attraction!
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Great job Annette ! ! !
Absatively posolutely stupendous work!!!
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Nicely said, Annette!
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We made YouTube and Daily Zooniverse with short video put out by YouTube. :)
http://daily.zooniverse.org/2014/05/01/old-weather-whats-it-all-about/
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8)
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Looking forward to a tidal wave of new transcribers!
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Very neat, well - done and very well explained! I like it.
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Caro just discovered a lovely blog that includes us, published last year. :)
Citizen Science ~ Butterflies, Ships, and Science (Maybe) (http://fossilsandotherlivingthings.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/citizen-science-butterflies-ships-and.html)
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(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_4547.gif)
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It may be a little late for WWI-log-transcribing purposes but we get
a nice little mention on the Royal Museums Greenwich WWI centenary
page. :)
http://www.rmg.co.uk/explore/sea-and-ships/all-about/world-war-i
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That is lovely; no implication we are still doing RN ships - and if a
WW1 buff comes in and asks at the forum, we can ask them to try
editing. :)
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And there's a picture of a kitten! ;D
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Ah yes, I'm glad you noticed that, Su. ;)
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A beautiful blackie baby to be sure. Undoubtedly, at that age,
with a mama and siblings tucked away some where on board. :)
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Old Weather at Mashable - http://mashable.com/2014/06/25/citizen-science-projects/
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8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Really cool write-up, and we are top bill. :)
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Really cool write-up, and we are top bill. :)
;D ;D ;D
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It wouldn't be a cool write-up if we weren't! ;)
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Don't tell anyone. I copied this.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kne_G1AOFWvouapvNwrnZz20W_tMlOv7p85dtAXpKmA/edit?usp=sharing
You might be able to find it in its entirety also by Googling: Why an 1879 Voyage Is a Time Machine for Climate Change
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Thanks Caro - very interesting. And your secret is safe with me .... ;)
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8) Reviews of the new book mentioned above in Wall St Journal
(http://online.wsj.com/articles/book-review-in-the-kingdom-of-ice-by-hampton-sides-1406921944)
and the Washington Post
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/book-review-in-the-kingdom-of-ice-polar-voyage-of-uss-jeannette-by-hampton-sides/2014/08/01/8482add6-f58f-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html).
I feel a purchase coming on!
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Here is another article about Jeannette and Old Weather:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/travis-nichols/what-can-a-19th-century-a_b_5679342.html
I
was hoping to get a couple of geographic corrections inserted, but alas
the Jeannette will just have to take a figurative turn to the right.
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And to let the secret out now that 'The Kingdom of Ice' is out -
Mark and I have been assisting the author for some time with various
bits and pieces. One of the funner and more curious activities was
providing some of the sound and visual material for the 'book trailer'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLLf4-PX1Ns. Who knew books need a
trailer? -- and where DO they find those gravelly-voiced guys?
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http://www.outsideonline.com/adventure-travel/europe/russia/Tracing-the-Steps-of-Lost-Explorers-in-Miserable-Beautiful-Siberia.html
There
is a link to Old Weather toward the end of the article (strangely by
way of an old NOAA press release). And a very nice painting of the
Jeannette.
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How wonderful to know that what we were transcribing was really
being used!! And after reading that magazine article he authored, I
want to read the whole book just because he is a good story
teller. :)
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Good article and trailer - although I have already bought the book
so didn't need to be persuaded! I just have to find some time to read it
now.
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http://www.npr.org/2014/09/03/341697516/old-ship-logs-reveal-adventure-tragedy-and-hints-about-climate
Old Ship Logs Reveal Adventure, Tragedy And Hints About Climate
;D
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"Obsessing"?
Nonsense!
" elegant cursive script " :-X :-X :-X
Great job, Kathy!
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Very nice article - and well done, Kathy!
I sure hope we get some new crew from that.
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Really good sound bite for us. Thanks, Kathy - how lucky to
have lovely cursive handwriting instead of scribbles. It is
definitely bringing in guests and newbies. 8)
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Hi all -
This article today led me to sign up as a newbie transcriber. Maggie
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And welcome, Maggie!! We are a friendly crowd, please ask us any questions you have. :)
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*elegant cursive script*
hahahahahahaha - I don't know where THAT came from -
well, some of it is quite elegant - nigh on unreadable, but quite elegant -
Thanks - I hope we get more nutjobs dedicated transcribers too!
Mark and Kevin did a great job -
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Well done Kathy, Kevin and Mark. An informative and entertaining bit of radio!
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Participants
in Old Weather-Arctic will be able to work with the logbooks of the
doomed 1879 USS Jeannette Arctic expedition, the Revenue Cutter Thomas
Corwin that carried the famous naturalist John Muir to the far North in
1881, and the Coast Guard cutter Bear that sailed the coasts of Alaska
for nearly 50 years. Many other ships, whose logs will be added in
coming months, engaged in a variety of both unusual and useful
work-a-day tasks in the Arctic.
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2012/20121022_oldweatherprojectlaunch.html
This is a 2012 article. I hope nobody reads it and still hopes to be able to transcribe the above logs.
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If they do, we will just point out we have lots of other
transcriptions to do, and "done" transcriptions to edit!! Change
from an older article shouldn't bother anyone.
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Saw the NPR piece yesterday. There was also a good writeup in
The Atlantic last week:
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/08/the-quest-to-scan-millions-of-weather-records/378962/
Looks like some folks at Oldweather are doing some good press outreach lately.
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And that doesn't include all the ships' logs in archives all over
the world which contain historical data as well. It doesn't sound as if
we'll run out of work for a while anyway.
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I wouldn't be surprised that well within 10 years text recognition
software will be able to do almost as well as humans in deciphering
handwriting. Using "machine learning" techniques such as neural
networks, which can be "trained" to recognize images and text, we may be
made obsolete (I will for sure at any rate ;D). The ship logs are
a challenging problem, of course, because there are often several
different log keepers on the same page. However, at least for the
weather reports, the context is restricted - there is usually a limited
number of valid codes or numbers. It may be that humans will only
need to be used to settle the most difficult cases but eventually
not at all.
One indication of the progress of image and text
recognition over the last several years is the extent that organizations
have to go to in order to obscure the phrases we are asked to interpret
and type before we are allowed to enter a protected site. These are
used to defeat software attempts to recognize the phrases and break into
the sites. Also, face recognition software is now a common feature on
digital cameras and software is getting almost as good as people in
identifying specific faces.
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I believe our HQ is working on some kind of moderated text
recognition for typed logs - the problem with older cursive writing is
that the complete shape of the letters change over the decades.
What looks like an 'f' in 1990 is in fact a 'p' in 1890 or an 's' in
1790. And then there are the WW1 '4' and '7' problems. All
the different forms used over the centuries for "p" and "s" and "r" have
to be in the computer's starting database for that to have a chance to
work.
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I partly disagree, Craig... there are some things which cannot be fully done automatically.
Whenever
a decision must be made between two equally good interpretations, a
machine can only randomly guess (it can be "smart" in its guess, but
it's always a pick between two cold probabilites).
An human
being, on the other side, is capable to connect apparently unrelated
things and to find creative ways to solve problems for which he has
incomplete information... when an handwritten weather code is not clear,
we can take a look at the event page, and/or find a solution by
interpreting context, or by knowing logkeeper quirks, preferences and
peculiarities (I do often try to imagine my logkeepers, with all their
goods and bads).
When Wilfred F. Raes correct an 8 to a 5 in the log,
signing the change with his initials superscripted, an human being can
notice that WFR are, by chance, the initials of whom is entering the
event for the watch, and that he oftenly (but not always) cancel things
with a thin trait of pen, that sometimes is barely visible.
If we
take in account events as well, knowledge of the historical period
these logs were written and of everything that makes the "background" of
the problem concur as well in its solution.
These are all things a computer, in my opinion of course, will never be able to fully perform.
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I agree that it may be some time before computers will replace
people for this work. Janet has mentioned a first step, for typed logs. A
second step might have software produce the preliminary results and
highlight the cases where there is uncertainty for a human to make the
call. If there are cases where a log keeper has specific idiosyncrasies,
as long as they are consistent I think the software would be able to
learn these. And if there are changes in writing habits over time
there is no reason why these cannot be learned. The software would have
to be trained to interpret writing from different periods and different
log keepers, but I don't see this as a big obstacle.
Bringing
together information from the remarks page is more challenging but I
think the important thing to keep in mind is that the results do not
have to be 100% perfect. I think Philip lives with an error rate of
about 1% or so. There are some logs that would be a challenge for
anybody, such as the HMS Blenheim. We should not think of the worse
cases in order to rule out software.
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I think Craig is right. Conventional computers may not be able to do
transcribing, but neural, brain-based ones of the future might.
The right kind of chip has already been created:
http://www.technologyreview.com/news/529691/ibm-chip-processes-data-similar-to-the-way-your-brain-does/
And
while Matteo is correct about all the factors involved in choosing
between interpretations, I see no reason why a brain-based computer
shouldn't be able to handle all those one day. Computers have already
shown themselves able to beat humans at Jeopardy and drive cars better
than people - so why not transcribing?
This will probably take a
long time, of course, and it will involve several steps - I might be the
only one left around to see it all the way to the end - but I believe
it will happen. One day.
P.S. This is just my opinion.
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For sure, if transcribers were given both the original and the
computer's first guess, it could be a lot faster to correct the
computer's text than to do the full transcription. I'm thinking OW
will be around long enough to see the start of this - I hope!!
That would cover Matteo's point on determining which of several choices
to make.
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Well, lookie here. :)
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/interactive/2012/oct/01/first-world-war-royal-navy-ships-mapped?CMP=twt_gu
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Woohoo !
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Very cool! :D 8)
I was impressed by how it became so
intense so fast when the War started, and how it immediately shot back
down to pre-War levels when the War ended.
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YES!!!
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It's not new obviously but I like the updated intro with a link to the current ships. :)
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niiiiiice! ;D
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Excellent! Anyone else watch it repeatedly trying to spot one of 'their' ships? ::)
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I could see the Blenheim just sitting in Mudros throughout. ;D
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Sloop Torch's prewar travels in the South Pacific and Danae's post-war trip into the Baltic were both there. :)
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I could see the Blenheim just sitting in Mudros throughout. ;D
;D
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I think I saw the Hood and Repulse do their world circumnavigation, but that's it.
I
don't remember where most of the ships I worked on were - partly
because it was so long ago, partly because I was always hopping from one
to the next to finish them off, so I rarely spent much time on a single
one.
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Anybody worked out a way to stop it in time and study the traces?
By the time I zoom it's all over Red Rover. :(
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I think if you hover the mouse over the bottom of the image the
progress line appears and you can click on the pause symbol, Stuart.
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Not for me, but thanks Craig for the try.
Hovered everywhere and no progress bar appeared.
I can stop the action by clicking the date.
I used the link from OW in Chrome to theguardian story.
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I must have been thinking of the Vimeo video about land weather
stations that Philip recently posted, Stuart. I can't get this one to
stop either.
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Caro found this, but she's away from her computer on tablet right
now. Nice birthday present, I think, tho they published it a bit
early. :)
Our Gadget Of The Week: Log In To History - Barron's (http://imarketreports.com/our-gadget-of-the-week-log-in-to-history-barrons.html)
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Yeh! That's nice..good to get any coverage. ;D
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Thanks to CHommel for passing on the link. ;)
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Ships
logs have been in the news lately because of the concerns about climate
change. Logbooks contain a trove of data for scientists seeking a
better picture of weather patterns before 1880, when the U.S. National
Climate Data Center started keeping records.
That's
an excellent, concise summary of the importance and goals of the
project. It's good to to have examples of exactly how people's time and
effort will translate into measurable advances and discoveries. Thank
you for sharing!
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We made the Daily Zooniverse again, in a very nice way. :)
Art of Crowdsourcing (http://daily.zooniverse.org/2014/10/30/art-of-crowdsourcing-old-weather-video/comment-page-1/#comment-203)
Check
out this fantastic short video, produced by the National Maritime
Museum, explaining the concept behind how all Zooniverse projects work,
from the specific point of view of Old Weather. It?s less than 2 minutes
long and the visualisations are lovely!
[I won't tell them their idea of time per log or numbers of repeats needs looking at. ;) ]
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[I won't tell them their idea of time per log or numbers of repeats needs looking at. ;) ]
end quote
If you don't I will. (Just joking, but it really does need changing)
I did like the Log they picked, looked like only 8 entries per day.
28 years is more like the Concords logs. %^)
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If you don't I will. (Just joking, but it really does need changing)
I did like the Log they picked, looked like only 8 entries per day.
28 years is more like the Concords logs. %^)
Yes,
they should have checked with us before releasing that video. I would
have told them I can do an 8 WR page in closer to one minute, not two.
But otherwise, it got the most important stuff right.
P.S.
From what I've seen, the Concord is proceeding along quite nicely -
slow, but steady. It's the Yorktown I'm worried about, because she's
just so huge - over 600.000 WR altogether!
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Transcribers can take as long as they like.
Two minutes, two hours, two days; it's OK.
Times and repeats aside, this is a good video. :)
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:) Interesting and well done.
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P.S.
From what I've seen, the Concord is proceeding along quite nicely -
slow, but steady. It's the Yorktown I'm worried about, because she's
just so huge - over 600.000 WR altogether!
Based
on the number of obs done on Concord in the last three months, and the
number left to do, I estimate a completion date of June 2017! Mind you,
neither Stuart not I were transcribing for one of those months, which
would put a completion date up by six months or so. For all intents and
purposes, only Stuart, JMayJ and I are transcribing, although Eikwar did
some in October after being quiet for many months. I suspect that as
other vessels are completed that crew will transfer over to Concord and
things will speed up. Then we can all board the Yorktown. :)
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What will probably happen in reality is that most will shift the any
new ships which may be released sometime in the future. %^(
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From the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists:
http://thebulletin.org/using-naval-logbooks-reconstruct-past-weather%E2%80%94and-predict-future-climate7780
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From the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists:
http://thebulletin.org/using-naval-logbooks-reconstruct-past-weather%E2%80%94and-predict-future-climate7780
:) NICE!
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That was a nice item and well researched. 8)
We should get a flood of newbies from that. (well I hope we will) ::)
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That's one of the best articles on OW I have ever read - and it was
at the top of their "Most Read" list when I checked it out! :D 8)
For
example, sleeping on watch?a practice that could lead to
logbook-faking?was historically considered a crime punishable by death,
according to item 26 of the statutes of the British Admiralty?s Articles
of War.
:o
:o :o Woah! I didn't know that at all - especially considering how
sloppy the crew of the RN armed trawlers were (Check those logs on
NavalHistory.net for details). They must not have known of it either - I
would have glady recorded the weather every hour if not doing so would
have gotten me sent to an early grave.
"There are logbooks in America, there are logbooks in South America, in Asia. There are literally billions of observations to be captured," Wilkinson said in a UK National Maritime Museum video.
Oh my - sounds like this project is gonna outlive us all! And I thought I at least might live long enough to see it completed...
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Well, if someone comes up with the money for the scanning we
shouldn't be out of a job any time soon. I will confess to a
preference for the RN logs and their terse entries over the more
descriptive US logs. But the article was well written, although
some of the RN log book entries don't go well with the demands of
computer modelling - I notice that some of the Chinese River Boats
haven't been edited and, if Teal is typical, the positions were given by
place not coordinates.
I hope the article will give us some more
recruits and some of them will get infected with the OW bug - a
persistent infection not easily amenable to treatment.
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Great article and great source.
Hopefully that will get us some serious newbies.
I really enjoy the US logbooks because of their more descriptive entries. ;)
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That would be my idea of OW bliss - chatty logs for people like you,
terse ones for people like me. If the logkeeper was provided with
decent ink and had better handwriting than mine (not difficult but some
of them didn't manage it!!) then life would be near perfect. [A Tardis
and I would think I was in heaven.]
;D ;D
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From the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists:
http://thebulletin.org/using-naval-logbooks-reconstruct-past-weather%E2%80%94and-predict-future-climate7780
Yes,
a very nice article. I shall make my family read it so they do
not persist in the belief that this is much like Facebook or an online
game - an effective way to simply waste time. The narrator
said there are "thousands" of people participating. I have looked
around and not seen any references to the number of transcribers
in total or on any average day. Someone must know that!
Anyone?
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I have no way of judging current usage, but looking at the long
term, the minority of transcribers that actually registered at this
forum is around 750. I'd multiply that by 3 or 4 to get the number
of transcribers. Not too shabby. :)
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On a typical day, at the moment, about 20 different people will
transcribe one or more pages. (I don't know how many people are
editing).
As of September 27 (last time I counted) 3705 different people had transcribed at least one page of the U.S. logs.
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Thanks, Philip!
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The numbers are nice to know. About 21 of our 37 editors are
still active - some of them are also transcribers, others only
edit. Not bad, given the average quality of handwriting. :)
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On
a typical day, at the moment, about 20 different people will transcribe
one or more pages. (I don't know how many people are editing).
As of September 27 (last time I counted) 3705 different people had transcribed at least one page of the U.S. logs.
Thanks Philip! That is exactly what I was wondering about.
I
know a lot more people would be interested - I would guess the problem
is getting the word out as this is not exactly something the average
internet consumer would take to heart. I thought my dad would jump
right on as a retired navy officer - who incidentally served on a later
incarnation of the Yorktown. But he watched me for a bit and
quickly lost patience with reading the handwriting. Interesting
articles that appeal to the right demographics (as this one surely does)
are the way to go.
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...
I
thought my dad would jump right on as a retired navy officer - who
incidentally served on a later incarnation of the Yorktown. But he
watched me for a bit and quickly lost patience with reading the
handwriting. ...
You
really do get used to the handwriting and terminology. We have quite a
few faithful transcribers whose first language is not English. Also, the
events are optional - though I find them very interesting.
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On
a typical day, at the moment, about 20 different people will transcribe
one or more pages. (I don't know how many people are editing).
As of September 27 (last time I counted) 3705 different people had transcribed at least one page of the U.S. logs.
If
we're counting Editors. I'm one. It would be interesting to see how
many of us there are. I believe at one point a couple years ago I was
told 27. I'm sure it's more now. I've completed 7 ships and am now on
Number 8. (with 1 in 'dry dock' awaiting my rebuild) :D
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Scroll up a few messages and read Janet's reply. ;D
Or to help
you: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=16.msg97175#msg97175
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=16.msg97175#msg97175)
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On
a typical day, at the moment, about 20 different people will transcribe
one or more pages. (I don't know how many people are editing).
As of September 27 (last time I counted) 3705 different people had transcribed at least one page of the U.S. logs.
I'm curious about the number of people who have done ten pages and the number who have done 100 pages.
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Scroll up a few messages and read Janet's reply. ;D
Or
to help you:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=16.msg97175#msg97175
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=16.msg97175#msg97175)
OOOOOPPPPPPPPPPSSSSSSSSSSSS!
TOTALLY missed that one! :-[
Hope my editing skills are better than that! :P
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Hopefully we will get a small boost from the Zooniverse community today. :)
DAILY ZOONIVERSE
Saturday Suggestion - Old Weather (http://daily.zooniverse.org/2014/11/09/saturday-suggestion-old-weather/)
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Hopefully we will get a small boost from the Zooniverse community today. :)
DAILY ZOONIVERSE
Saturday Suggestion - Old Weather (http://daily.zooniverse.org/2014/11/09/saturday-suggestion-old-weather/)
We're
one of the most popular? I thought from all the stats I saw from the
Zooniverse team said we were on the lower end of things.... ???
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I'm hoping he's talking about popularity among the PTB? Just a
guess, I don't know. And any advertising hype is welcome.
;D
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Well, as it happens, it's my favourite Zooniverse project too. ;D 8)
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Not exactly the "news," but Old Weather was featured today in Daily Zoo!
http://daily.zooniverse.org/2014/11/17/a-steady-hand-at-sea/
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:)
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We like the quality of our images to represent the quality of our citizen scientists. ;D
(As my dear old mum used to say "If you can't blow your own trumpet, who can?")
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One thing about Old Weather - with the few and prolific as the keel
and frames of the outfit - we are often mentioned in the 'top 10
coolest' citizen science projects listed in various media.
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One
thing about Old Weather - with the few and prolific as the keel and
frames of the outfit - we are often mentioned in the 'top 10 coolest'
citizen science projects listed in various media.
8) That is good to know. When I mention Galaxyzoo or Plankton
Portal or even the Kelp project to the staff I work with or the patients
they look at me as if I am from another planet ::)...... But if I say I
am doing weather reports off logs from ships. They have heard of this
project. :o It boggles the mind.
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I had a go at kelp - got very confused and decided I didn't really
know what I was up to after about a dozen images. :-[ ::)
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One
thing about Old Weather - with the few and prolific as the keel and
frames of the outfit - we are often mentioned in the 'top 10 coolest'
citizen science projects listed in various media.
8) That is good to know. When I mention Galaxyzoo or Plankton
Portal or even the Kelp project to the staff I work with or the patients
they look at me as if I am from another planet ::)...... But if I say I
am doing weather reports off logs from ships. They have heard of this
project. :o It boggles the mind.
;D ;D ;D
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http://www.reuters.com/video/2014/12/15/old-ship-records-to-shed-light-on-arctic?videoId=347840966
This is the Reuters Multimedia wire story I mentioned last week. Its up on 20 or 30 outlets this morning. US, UK, Canada, etc.
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8)
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A lovely video article, Kevin. :)
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Well done, Kevin. Tweeted, Facebooked etc. :)
(Shame oldWeather was not named!)
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Great video Kevin - and seeing the "moving pictures" of shipboard
activity surprised me! But how will someone find us from the
video? Neither "Old Weather" nor Zooniverse is mentioned.
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Great
video Kevin - and seeing the "moving pictures" of shipboard activity
surprised me! But how will someone find us from the video?
Neither "Old Weather" nor Zooniverse is mentioned.
But
Kevin's NOAA project is front and center in the article, and his site
has links to us. Also, although I have a very small presence on
Facebook, I shared the Reuters link on my timeline with my comment
including www.oldWeather.org and so did mod Caro. If even a few of
us do that independently, it will give OW a boost also. :)
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Shared on mine too - good idea!
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I have the OW link in my BOINC profiles ;D
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Naval-History.Net's 500+ friends on Facebook now have a link to the OW interface from the shared Reuters story. ;)
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Thanks all - I'm finding it is sometimes hard to keep the
oldweather.org mentions from getting edited out, alas, although my left
ear seems to have been unexpectedly key in this case. Generally there is
no input option in the editing process...
I collected several
movie links from the National Archives which I will post (they take some
minutes to download). The one featured was from the BEAR 1921 voyage
called 'A trip to the Arctic with Uncle Sam'.
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Some moving pictures available from the National Archives:
Trip to the Arctic with Uncle Sam (cutter Bear 1921)
http://research.archives.gov/description/12687
Roles and missions of the US Coast Guard
http://research.archives.gov/description/6434
The story of the US Coast Guard 1935 (cutter Northland at 36:00)
http://research.archives.gov/description/5968
Ice patrol newsreel (misc.)
http://research.archives.gov/description/39115
On Foreign Shores
http://research.archives.gov/description/5949
Navy ships underway, WW2
http://research.archives.gov/description/2485234
Transports (1919)
http://research.archives.gov/description/5908
Footage of the USS Constitution - probably 1930s.
http://research.archives.gov/description/28558
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Wow! Trip to the Arctic with Uncle Sam is great to watch after having gone though all those Bear logs, Kevin. Point Barrow is as desolate as I imagined.
It's wonderful that these films have been preserved.
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Which plug-in is needed to watch the films?
Whatever it is, I don't have it.
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Hi Caro,
wmv videos needs a plugin to be viewed in Firefox (and most probably Chrome).
wmv should be played without problems on IE.
The
windows media player plugin can be found here (mozilla redirect from
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/play-windows-media-files-in-firefox#w_installing-the-plugin):
http://www.interoperabilitybridges.com/windows-media-player-firefox-plugin-download
PS: I had not checked if it works, and the eventual chrome procedure (i suppose it's another plugin for that browser).
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I had the same block on Chrome, Windows 7. Asking Chrome help
for wmv videos gives me a list of plugins, none of which has "wmv" in
their title. Anyone know which one to pick? (I already have
the Silverlight plugin.)
Plug-ins
Plug-ins
Adobe Flash Player plug-in
Adobe PDF plug-in
Adobe Shockwave plug-in
DivX Plus Web Player plug-in
Java plug-in
Microsoft Silverlight plug-in
Native Client in Google Chrome
QuickTime Plug-in
RealPlayer plug-in
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Try VLC Web Plugin - I have that one installed, and it worked.
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VLC handle several formats (wmv included) and is available for
Firefox too (maybe a better choice, but i found it a little bulky on a
not-so-new machine a little ago).
Anyway it should allow you to see those videos without problems.
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Hmmm. Firefox and Windows 8.1 ....
I had to follow these instructions:
In the Location bar, type about:config and press Enter.
The about:config "This might void your warranty!"
warning page may appear. Click I'll be careful, I promise! to continue
to the about:config page.
Search for plugins.load_appdir_plugins
Double-click plugins.load_appdir_plugins to change its value to true.
There is another instruction after that about a button that doesn't seem to exist so I ignored it.
I closed Firefox, restarted it and was able to activate the media player.
Thanks Matteo. :)
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You can also download a file from the button at the bottom of the box.
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I just downloaded the VLC player, and they offered only 2 plugins,
Mozilla and ActiveX. My chrome still gets the "no plugin
available" block.
I did download a couple of videos to
watch them, and will probably download more. It's frustrating that
2 very large entities like the Library of Congress and Google can't
read each other. I may have to go back to using 2 browsers just to
access public files. >:(
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With Chrome, I got a message saying that Windows Media Player needed my permission to run.
I right-clicked and chose 'Run this plug-in', and the film started. ??? :)
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I tried downloading both the 32 bit and 64 bit versions of VLC for windows, and neither of them offered the VLC Web plugin.
Apparently my home computer doesn't have it, but my work computer does. This is strange.
I just went and downloaded the video. Will watch it soon.
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Oh, thank you Kevin - wonderful videos!
In the Bear video, I
really liked hearing the reference to the reindeer transport project,
although I do not think it was quite as successful as expected. I
have yet to see reindeer on the menu in restaurants in major US cities
:)
The US Navy stock scenes has some great footage - I only wish
there were some commentary to tell me more about the scenes - the blimp
and the celebration scenes in particular.
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I seem to be missing something as I cannot find where to download
the Bear video at http://research.archives.gov/description/12687
(http://research.archives.gov/description/12687).
I can watch it sort of (it stops frequently) but cannot see any button or icon.
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I
seem to be missing something as I cannot find where to download the
Bear video at http://research.archives.gov/description/12687
(http://research.archives.gov/description/12687).
I can watch it sort of (it stops frequently) but cannot see any button or icon.
Click on the box marked in red below - It really does need to be labeled better.
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Hi Habibal.
I got this when I clicked there on the BEAR.
http://media.nara.gov/mopix/075/75-10.wmv
and still no download.
Seems to work with the others.
Thanks.
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That's odd - when I clicked that link, the download started automatically.
What browser do you use? I have Chrome.
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That is the download page - I had to choose what file to save it to,
and it then started downloading no problem. It picks 75-10 as the
file title, which is pretty useless - copy the real title from the page
so you can paste it in to the subject line on the download page.
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Not quite OW but an interesting question arises.
New Scientist, 20/27 Dec 2014, Opinion Letters, Data Freeze.
In part Steven Jewson states:
....
One might think that helping solve the worlds climate problems is a
more pressing issue than finding new kinds of boson, but basic
observational data on the world's climate is still frustratingly
difficult and expensive to get hold of.
Many countries can be
criticised, but the UK is one of the worst offenders, where climate data
access and use is restricted by Crown copyright, and the Met office has
a team dedicated to trying to sell information on the climate.
....
I do hope the data our hard labour put does not go on sale but if free to all.
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Yes, I saw that article too, Stuart. I would be surprised that this
applies to the OW project since it is not exclusive to the Met Office.
The US National Archives, NOAA, etc. are partners.
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Everything produced by oldWeather is freely available to all.
The
general issue of free accessibility to observational climate data is
complicated by a huge mess of national and international policies,
copyright regulations, institutional funding policies and other
agreements - almost all of which predate the modern era of widespread
internet and take a long time to change. There is a lot
of work being done in this area, but we are not going to get to the
sort of 'universal open data' position that most scientists would like
anytime soon.
All we can do is set a good example of open access and international collaboration, and we are making a great job of that.
[Obligatory caveat: I'm a Met Office employee - but I speak for myself not the Met Office].
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So, Philip, OW is not only very productive, we are also pioneering how governments should handle this? ;D
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I also have had the experience of working for a government
department that collects data at tax payers expense and made users pay
for it. It's not a comfortable position to be in.
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I
also have had the experience of working for a government department
that collects data at tax payers expense and made users pay for it. It's
not a comfortable position to be in.
Me,
too. Environment Canada with some of their data. Some costs, some is
free, but it can be quite tiresome to get it. Imagine downloading the
data for a given station one year at a time and, even then, you get only
a subset of the data. For a station like Dawson City, you have records
going back to 1898 or so meaning 117 separate downloads just for that
one station. Now, ponder getting the data for over 3,000 climate
stations.
The actual weather is even worse. If you want the full
report, you get a 5.7 kb file, and it is not at all obvious where you
can even find this data. Here's the full weather report for the
University of Victoria for 22Z today:
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value="6.3"/><element name="max_air_temp_pst24hrs" uom="?C"
value="10.5"/><element name="pcpn_amt_pst3hrs" uom="mm"
value="2.6"/><element name="pcpn_amt_pst6hrs" uom="mm"
value="8.6"/><element name="pcpn_amt_pst24hrs" uom="mm"
value="37.4"/><element name="pcpn_snc_last_syno_hr" uom="mm"
value="3.2"/><element name="mslp" uom="hPa"
value="1022.7"/></elements></om:result></om:Observation></om:member></om:ObservationCollection>
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Wow Michael. that was report was exciting. ::)
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Oh my! How do you use all that stuff Michael? :-\
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Oh my! How do you use all that stuff Michael? :-\
I have a script to strip out all the "junk", so it reduces to this:
date_tm 2015-01-04T21:00:00.000Z
stn_nam VICTORIA UNIVERSITY
tc_id WYJ
wmo_synop_id 71783
stn_elev 60.1
clim_id 1018598
msc_id 1018598
lat 48.45
long -123.3
data_avail 100
max_batry_volt_pst1hr 12.99
min_batry_volt_pst1hr 12.93
logr_panl_temp 16.45
air_temp 6.26
rel_hum 91.8
avg_air_temp_pst1hr 5.99
max_air_temp_pst1hr 6.26
max_rel_hum_pst1hr 91.8
min_air_temp_pst1hr 5.85
min_rel_hum_pst1hr 91.2
avg_wnd_spd_10m_mt50-60 3.3
avg_wnd_dir_10m_mt50-60 114
avg_wnd_spd_10m_pst1hr 3.6
avg_wnd_dir_10m_pst1hr 119
max_wnd_spd_10m_pst1hr 17
max_wnd_spd_10m_pst1hr_tm 2011
wnd_dir_10m_pst1hr_max_spd 262
max_wnd_spd_10m_mt50-60 12.6
wnd_dir_10m_mt50-60_max_spd 93
avg_wnd_spd_10m_mt58-60 2.9
avg_wnd_dir_10m_mt58-60 123
stn_pres 1009.5
rnfl_amt_pst1hr 1
pcpn_amt_pst1hr 1
dwpt_temp 5.0
air_temp_12hrs_ago 4.59
pres_tend_char_pst3hrs 8
pres_tend_amt_pst3hrs 4.1
min_air_temp_pst6hrs 5
max_air_temp_pst6hrs 6.3
min_air_temp_pst24hrs 4.3
max_air_temp_pst24hrs 6.3
pcpn_amt_pst3hrs 2.2
pcpn_amt_pst6hrs 3.2
pcpn_snc_last_syno_hr 2.2
mslp 1016.9
END
This
has all the information in "their" file, but it is a lot smaller. I
save the original data in this smaller version in case I need it in the
future. Even this format has more information than I need, so I collect
the relevant information from that and store it in a database that looks
like:
ID
,DTG ,SP,COR,SKY , VSBY,WX ,
PP, TT, TD, RH,DDD,
FFF,GGG,TEND,DDP,FFP,Cloud
,SNW6, MAX, MIN,XRH,NRH, PCP01, PCP03, PCP06,
PCP24, SNW12, SOG,Remarks
WYJ ,042100, 0, 0,
, , ,1016.9,
6.3, 5.0, 92,123, 3,
,8041,262, 17,
, , 6.3, 5.0, 92, 91,
1.0, 2.2, 3.2, ,
, ,
Different
reporting stations have their data in one of three different formats.
This particular way of sending data is totally ridiculous, IMHO. You can
imagine how quickly your hard drive fills up if you get data from
several hundred stations every hour of the year! I limit myself to
weather from about a dozen stations and only eight times per day.
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Actually, XML can be quite a nice way of sending data - it's long
winded, but it's flexible and very descriptive too (well, assuming you
use descriptive tag names!). You should be able to find an XML parsing
library for whatever language you're using to script - Python has some
very easy to use libraries, for example.
Also, 5.7kb is an
absolute pittance in terms of data! 5.7 kb per report x 1000 stations x 1
report per station per hour is only 50Gb a year - you can probably buy
phones with that much storage these days (edit: bluemuffin78 informs me
hers has 62Gb!). The astronomical data I work with is usually 10Mb files
and up, and it's not uncommon to have a hundred observations a night;
storing data is very rarely the issue - being able to do something
useful with it is. Even better for your case, because XML data like you
showed is plaintext, you can easily compress it by a factor of 10 or so
with standard algorithms (e.g. ZIP) if you need to.
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Actually,
XML can be quite a nice way of sending data - it's long winded, but
it's flexible and very descriptive too (well, assuming you use
descriptive tag names!). You should be able to find an XML parsing
library for whatever language you're using to script - Python has some
very easy to use libraries, for example.
Also, 5.7kb is an
absolute pittance in terms of data! 5.7 kb per report x 1000 stations x 1
report per station per hour is only 50Gb a year - you can probably buy
phones with that much storage these days (edit: bluemuffin78 informs me
hers has 62Gb!). The astronomical data I work with is usually 10Mb files
and up, and it's not uncommon to have a hundred observations a night;
storing data is very rarely the issue - being able to do something
useful with it is. Even better for your case, because XML data like you
showed is plaintext, you can easily compress it by a factor of 10 or so
with standard algorithms (e.g. ZIP) if you need to.
All
that is true, but it annoys me. I'm from the old days when a full
hourly weather report came in 150 characters or less, was easy to read,
fast to download and had a certain elegance in coding.
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I'm still awestruck - thank you for the list though Michael - it all makes sense now. :)
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When I started my PhD, back in 1991, I was allocated 5Mb of storage
space on the university mainframe. Computers were slow, and disc space
was expensive, so we kept all our data in incomprehensible
highly-compressed binary formats.
When I became a climate
scientist, in 2002, computers had got so much bigger and faster that we
were able to give up the highly compressed incomprehensible formats in
favour of self-describing, portable text-based formats like XML -
clearly a huge improvement in usability.
But of course we
responded to the improvements in computing by gathering and using
enormously more data. The latest version of the International Surface
Pressure databank (3.2.9) contains 1,399,120,833 observations
(1851-2008). At 5.7 kb each that would be what? 7Tb? That is actually
too much - more importantly, it also takes too long for the computer to
read the data - you can end up spending longer reading the data from
disc than in calculating the weather from it.
So, rather
ironically, we've gone back to the incomprehensible highly-compressed
binary formats. We have improved over 1991 in that we are now using a
standard IHCBF (HDF5).
We'll probably go round this loop a few
more times in the years to come - hopefully with some small improvement
in each iteration.
Actually,
XML can be quite a nice way of sending data - it's long winded, but
it's flexible and very descriptive too (well, assuming you use
descriptive tag names!). You should be able to find an XML parsing
library for whatever language you're using to script - Python has some
very easy to use libraries, for example.
Also, 5.7kb is an
absolute pittance in terms of data! 5.7 kb per report x 1000 stations x 1
report per station per hour is only 50Gb a year - you can probably buy
phones with that much storage these days (edit: bluemuffin78 informs me
hers has 62Gb!). The astronomical data I work with is usually 10Mb files
and up, and it's not uncommon to have a hundred observations a night;
storing data is very rarely the issue - being able to do something
useful with it is. Even better for your case, because XML data like you
showed is plaintext, you can easily compress it by a factor of 10 or so
with standard algorithms (e.g. ZIP) if you need to.
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I don't think any of us can compete with your situation in terms of
sheer data volume, Philip. However, back in the 60s I began working for a
group that was building statistical tables of a dimension that was
quite a challenge for computers of the time I discovered that they kept
their data on punch cards. They only stored the non-zero cells of the
matrices on cards but this amounted to about 20,000 of them, each
identified with row and column codes and when they wanted to sort the
cards by a different index they had to send the large trays down to the
computer centre for processing. All their updates were carefully made on
these cards but it was a cumbersome and time-consuming process. I
finally convinced them to put the cards on tape ensuring them that it
would be faster and safer (disk storage was very limited and expensive
then). The chief of the section was rather reluctant, though, aware that
he was losing control over a key element in the manual process. In the
beginning he would ask me frequently about "his tape" and I would assure
him that it was fine and in safe hands. I never had the heart to tell
him that a new tape was issued each time they processed a set of updates
and older tapes were recycled. Of course, he eventually forgot about
"his tape" as we developed automated procedures and disk space
became less expensive than the time required for people to handle tapes.
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;D
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Reminds me of my PhD! My cards were punched fixed format which meant
declaring every variable and 1 mistake meant that the whole job was
spat out by the computer, if you were lucky it format checked the rest
of the box(es) which speeded up the proceedings. After all, it was 1 run
per day because the job tied up too many resources to run except
overnight.
Rain was the nightmare because computer centre was
across the campus and if the cards got damp they might stick together in
the card reader and you would have the wrong number of cards in the
dataset (also a number you would have had to declare) and spit - come
back tomorrow. I was allowed a whole 0.5Mb while the normal
allocation was 250kb and undergrads had only 100kb. Those were the
days!! I suppose all the walks across campus kept me fit and I ended up
finding many of the glitches in the commercial package - they still
hadn't fixed them all when I submitted my thesis.
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But
of course we responded to the improvements in computing by gathering
and using enormously more data. The latest version of the International
Surface Pressure databank (3.2.9) contains 1,399,120,833 observations
(1851-2008). At 5.7 kb each that would be what? 7Tb? That is actually
too much - more importantly, it also takes too long for the computer to
read the data - you can end up spending longer reading the data from
disc than in calculating the weather from it.
So, rather
ironically, we've gone back to the incomprehensible highly-compressed
binary formats. We have improved over 1991 in that we are now using a
standard IHCBF (HDF5).
We'll probably go round this loop a few
more times in the years to come - hopefully with some small improvement
in each iteration.
I
dare say 7Tb isn't too much if you're willing to invest - places like
CERN generate ridiculous amounts of data on a daily basis, and still
find room to store it all. You'd be surprised how common tape drives are
in larger physics and astronomy experiments - for a project I was
working on a few years ago, I was interacting with a tape storage robot
every time I asked for a data file. If the tape containing the file I
wanted wasn't yet inserted into one of the readers, my command prompt
would hang whilst the robot went and fetched the relevant tape for me, a
few thousand miles away!
Your point about too much data is very
valid - going back to CERN again, the rate at which they can actually
use the data they're collecting is far lower than the collection rate
itself. Even in astronomy, we're getting to a stage where some surveys
have produced information decades ago, and some probably still hasn't
been seen by human eyes, only being categorised/searched for objects by a
relatively quick automated check to find obvious objects. I'm not sure
anyone would have predicted that having too much scientific data a problem a century ago!
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After reading those entries -pass me my abacus - it's waterproof at any rate ;D
(I'm in awe!)
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After reading those entries -pass me my abacus - it's waterproof at any rate ;D
(I'm in awe!)
Me Too!!! ;D ;D ;D
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A friend just sent me this from Discover Magazine - September 2013.
She's a slow reader??!! ::)
http://discovermagazine.com/2013/september/22-swab-data-not-decks
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Wow! What a find - it's great! :D :D :D
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Scuse me, but I found that one first:
Article from Discoverer magazine, September 2013:
http://discovermagazine.com/2013/september/22-swab-data-not-decks#.Ur8zEvRDu8G
And
also, BuzzFeed mentioned us, along with other Zooniverse projects, on
No. 5 of this list.
(http://www.buzzfeed.com/luckytran/13-ways-diy-science-triumphed-in-2013-hrv3)
Awesome!
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Wow! What memory! ;) ;) :D
( I used to have one of those - I mean a memory ;))
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Sorry!!
Of all the things I've lost in life...I miss my mind the most! ;)
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For anyone who can understand German, their is an ongoing radio
program on right now about Citizen Scientist; a Galaxy Zoo
member's interview and mine are included, although I don't know yet how
yet. The link is that podcast. and the also printed it out so
google can translate.
http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/buerger-forscht-wie-citizen-science-die-wissenschaft.740.de.html?dram:article_id=313923
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Neat article - and great job explaining it, Janet!
I have
considered volunteering for any interviews from German publications, but
have never done so because I don't want to give up what anonymity I
have left.
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Then don't.
Do any kind of interview only if you
wish. The majority of our members do not, altho we all give lots
of support to those who do.
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Kevin sent us a copy of a nice photo he received from a friend who
was attending NASA Climate Day at the Seattle Museum of Flight
(http://www.museumofflight.org/event/2014/apr/03/nasa-climate-day). 8)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-vOKnROHmsxc/VR4f82nGnVI/AAAAAAAACIA/fcG6wPhs5AY/w640-h480-no/Seattle%2BMuseum%2Bof%2BFlight%2BApr.2015.JPG)
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(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_3266.gif)
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:o :o ;D ;D
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I say - jolly good show! ;D
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Great stuff - we do get everywhere!
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8) 8) 8)
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Oh that's me there... Somehow my wife's email app got attached to my
iPhone. I thought it was kinda cool to have the picture of the Bear juxtaposed with the fastest airplane ever built.
Also had an interesting conversation with a foreign service officer on her way to an assignment in the Philippines -- about the Concord and related history on the tread recently.
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:) 8)
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Well, I just got my email notice for Monday's Daily Zooniverse, and
it feels like Science Gossip is sending a postcard to Old Weather's
Royal Navy fleet. Cool.
http://daily.zooniverse.org/2015/05/04/science-art/
(https://dailyzooniverse.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/54f43bb7efc50104c300a7a9.jpg)
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Oooo - that's rather nice! :D
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Daily Zooniverse does us good again. :)
Old Weather Explained (http://daily.zooniverse.org/2015/05/12/old-weather-explained/)
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YEAH!
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Thanks, Daily Zooniverse. :)
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Wooohoo! ;D
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Daily Zooniverse features us again.
Voyage of the Jeannette (http://daily.zooniverse.org/2015/06/04/voyage-of-the-jeannette/)
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;D
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oh wow!!! I must send this to Clewi - he'll be excited to see it! :D :D :D
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Paint problems on the Unalga (http://daily.zooniverse.org/2015/07/27/paint-problems-on-the-unalga/)
:)
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Thanks, Darren!
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:) 8)
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Yes, thanks a bunch! I got a good laugh out of that one when I first found it.
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Well, AvastMH is one of ours ...
Alright, Mr DeMille (http://daily.zooniverse.org/2015/07/28/alright-mr-demille/)
:)
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Good work Penguin Watch moderator Joan!
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8)
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Latest NOAA Research News
The citizen scientists behind NOAA's Old Weather project (http://research.noaa.gov/)
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That's the best one I've seen in a long time! 8) 8) 8)
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And yet more - we are the Daily Zooniverse and Day 3 on the Advent Calendar!!
http://daily.zooniverse.org/2015/12/03/zooniverse-advent-day-3-new-old-weather/
(http://i.imgur.com/tzUOXjy.png)
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The letter has gone out to the full Zooniverse data base.
https://twitter.com/the_zooniverse
https://www.facebook.com/therealzooniverse/posts/830295037083186
From: Zooniverse Participants Announcement
On Behalf Of Grant at the Zooniverse
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 10:09 AM
Subject: Old Weather as you've never seen it before!
Hi there,
We have an early Christmas present for you - two new versions of Old Weather!
Firstly,
we have completely revamped the original Old Weather project. It now
has a new and easier to use transcription interface, allowing you to
annotate the log books more efficiently than ever before. Check it out
now at www.oldweather.org
Secondly, let me officially introduce
you to Old Weather: Whaling. This project specifically focuses on logs
recorded by whalers whilst braving the perilous arctic seas. Get
involved now at www.whaling.oldweather.org
We hope you really
enjoy helping researchers pull vital historical climate information from
these new logs. They would not be able to do this research without you.
If everyone reading this email did just one single page of a log book, it would advance the research at an unprecedented rate. So what are you waiting for?
Cheers,
Grant & The Zooniverse Team
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Note: the extensive conversation about the OW collapse during
the launch has been merged with its twin conversation in Zooniverse News
and moved to Technical Support - Launch interfaces are down
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4521.0). They are
better placed there. :)
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Doug McNeall tweeted (https://twitter.com/dougmcneall/status/675314398324531200) the following:
Podcast
ep.1 on the history of weather forecasting & interview with
@PhilipBrohan of the awesome @oldweather project
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/mostly-weather/episode1
(http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/mostly-weather/episode1).
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Thanks Maikel. Duly retweeted by @Caro601 and @Navalhistory. :)
Philip is on at about 13.35.
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Additional episodes found at https://soundcloud.com/mostlyweather
for those of us interested. Only episodes 1 and 2 available at
this moment.
(Subtitle for Episode 2 is "A pig with six legs and other clouds". :) )
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Looks to be very interesting - keeping an eye out for Philip's session at 13.35 (UK time I guess) :D
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Looks to be very interesting - keeping an eye out for Philip's session at 13.35 (UK time I guess) :D
No,
a podcast is streamed online and can be listened to at any time.
13.35 is the timestamp into the broadcast saying at which minute
Philip's interview starts. But the whole 40 minutes is
interesting. I never guessed that weather "foretelling" was once
illegal under the sorcery act. :)
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Doug McNeall tweeted (https://twitter.com/dougmcneall/status/675314398324531200) the following:
Podcast
ep.1 on the history of weather forecasting & interview with
@PhilipBrohan of the awesome @oldweather project
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/mostly-weather/episode1
(http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/mostly-weather/episode1).
Where did he find that neat and readable log page? ;D
Would
love to have a Fitzroy type Storm Barometer, have been looking for
years. ( I think it is the Mercury that now makes them illegal.)
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We got a message from @am.zooni in our Talk
(https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/zooniverse/old-weather/talk/164/13175?comment=49739)
today - and OW:Whaling has a lovely article, including an interview
with Kevin, on us and the Providence Library collection of
logbooks. Very well done. :)
http://www.providencejournal.com/article/20151228/NEWS/151229397
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That's quite inspiring. I may do OW Whaling once OW Classic is complete.
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Excellent article, which really explains why the whaling logs are so important.
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Very pleasing article. :)
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Excellent article, which really explains why the whaling logs are so important.
Oh yes! I liked it a lot because of that.
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Yshish found today two December articles on OW:Whaling that everyone missed.
https://www.zooniverse.org/talk/14/5662?comment=55113&page=2
OW: Whaling in The Guardian! (Dec 17, 2015)
The 19th-century whaling logbooks that could help scientists understand climate change
(http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/dec/17/the-19th-century-whaling-logbooks-that-could-help-scientists-understand-climate-change?CMP=share_btn_tw)
and...
https://www.zooniverse.org/talk/14/5662?comment=55152&page=2
And from the same day, Dec 17th 2015, there's another OW: Whaling article from the Smithsonian:
Logbooks From 19th Century Whaling Ships Could Help Climate Change Scientists
(http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/logbooks-19th-century-whaling-ships-could-help-climate-change-scientists-180957576/?no-ist)
Thank you, yshish! :)
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/a8e136c25194f2c072ee86ad640e4a5362135142/0_82_3260_2402/master/3260.jpg?w=620&q=85&auto=format&sharp=10&s=c1f4e8dbf2ef3737c8e8bd0d123f55b5)
(http://thumbs.media.smithsonianmag.com//filer/ca/35/ca356126-54cd-4ed1-8a45-bcbe46fa7577/dk012261.jpg__800x600_q85_crop.jpg)
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Wooohoo Yshish! Thank you so much! ;D
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Found another one central Zoo Talk, published from December and found in January by S Johnson @slj91:
https://www.zooniverse.org/talk/14/5662?comment=51132
Catching up with my feeds. From early December, an article on Old Weather in io9/Gizmodo:
http://gizmodo.com/why-the-brutal-sea-voyages-of-the-19th-century-are-so-i-1746205997
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Kevin found and sent me another article about OW:Whaling from January 10th. :)
Mystic Seaport provides whaling log books for climate change study (http://www.theday.com/local/20160110/mystic-seaport-provides-whaling-log-books-for-climate-change-study)
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Kevin found and sent me another article about OW:Whaling from January 10th. :)
Mystic Seaport provides whaling log books for climate change study (http://www.theday.com/local/20160110/mystic-seaport-provides-whaling-log-books-for-climate-change-study)
?We?re creating an awesome tool for other researchers to use,? Wood added.
Nice one Kevin :D
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What do long-dead whalers have to do with climate change?
(http://www.opb.org/news/article/what-long-dead-whalers-have-to-do-with-climate-change/)
:)
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8)
They're looking for old weather data like this:
"Made the ice at 3:30 PM. Barometer 29.5. Latitude 60.27 N, Longitude 175.51 E. 106:00 Thermometer 8 above, barometer 29.5."
Good thing the logs are just that clear. ;)
What
do long-dead whalers have to do with climate change?
(http://www.opb.org/news/article/what-long-dead-whalers-have-to-do-with-climate-change/)
:)
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What
do long-dead whalers have to do with climate change?
(http://www.opb.org/news/article/what-long-dead-whalers-have-to-do-with-climate-change/)
:)
That's a really excellent article - keep up the good work, Kevin!
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That was brilliant and very motivating for us transcribers!
The researchers involved in the Old Weather project have not published any of their findings yet.
Is this true? I thought they have published some stuff - or was it just data, and no papers?
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That was brilliant and very motivating for us transcribers!
The researchers involved in the Old Weather project have not published any of their findings yet.
Is this true? I thought they have published some stuff - or was it just data, and no papers?
They may mean that nothing from the whaling ships has been published yet.
As far as I know, there have been publications. Perhaps only from the RN ships?
I will ask Kevin.
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Hi Randi,
I
was speaking specifically about ice obs, which are not yet far enough
along to publish. However, we have pushed millions of OW1-3 WRs to
ICOADS and ISPD, and these have been recognized in a publication, as
have a number of new data impact analyses by Philip and Gil.
There is also a paper on the JEANNETTE aurora and galvimeter obs accepted and due out in a matter of days.
There
are two other items that will be very interesting but there are a few
pending issues yet that keep a superstitious sailor from talking about
them. Might jinx you know?
- Kevin
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How exciting! Can't hardly wait Kevin :)
I'll drop a note to
Clewi about 'There is also a paper on the JEANNETTE aurora and
galvimeter obs accepted and due out in a matter of days'. I'm sure he
will be engrossed - as will I. :D
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There is a 6-page article by Julia Wilkinson, Chris Scott and David
Willis in the Royal Astronomical Society's magazine Astronomy and
Geophysics (Vol 57, Issue 2, Page 36), entitled "Going with the floe".
It discusses the Jeannette aurora and galvanometer measurements
mentioned in Randi's quote, with many mentions and links to Old Weather,
Naval History .net, and the Zooniverse. An interesting read!
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8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Thanks for telling us!
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It would be lovely if they would offer a copy to us ;) I'd love to read it.
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I hear they are working on a post-able link.
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Thanks Kevin :D
jules also dropped me a line to say that we might be able to view it soon-ish (but no dates promised of course).
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...
When some Old Weather
volunteers began discussing
auroral observations from
the logs on the Old Weather
forum, we asked them to
keep a record of any further
observations they found.
...
;)
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Going with the floe (http://astrogeo.oxfordjournals.org/content/57/2/2.37.full)
:)
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Well, I think those of the OW community working on Jeanette have
contributed to an interesting study of 'space weather'. It's nice to
know that even more of the work can be useful to researchers in fields
other than the earth weather which we started out to transcribe. Like
all good research activities OW answers some questions, sets new
questions and throws light on other problems. Well done everone.
:) :)
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Daily Zooniverse post on Jules' paper: https://daily.zooniverse.org/2016/05/05/solar-stormwatch-meets-old-weather/
:)
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From Rick Nowell on Zooniverse Talk: (link: https://www.zooniverse.org/talk/14/52612?comment=104593)
@Rick_Nowell
May 4th 2016, 12:36 am
At
least five Zooniverse projects (includes OldWeather) are featured in
the paper linked to below. It divides 'Citizen Cyberscience' (online CS)
into three types: volunteer computing; volunteer thinking;
participatory sensing. Free download.
http://jcom.sissa.it/archive/15/03/JCOM_1503_2016_A05
The
abstract states: "Online citizen science projects have demonstrated
their usefulness for research, however little is known about the
potential benefits for volunteers. We conducted 39 interviews (28
volunteers, 11 researchers) to gain a greater understanding of
volunteers? motivations, learning and creativity (MLC). In our MLC model
we explain that participating and progressing in a project community
provides volunteers with many indirect opportunities for learning and
creativity. The more aspects that volunteers are involved in, the more
likely they are to sustain their participation in the project. These
results have implications for the design and management of online
citizen science projects. It is important to provide users with tools to
communicate in order to supporting social learning, community building
and sharing."
Motivations, learning and creativity in online citizen science.
The Journal of Science Communication.
Authors: Charlene Jennett, Laure Kloetzer, Daniel Schneider,
Ioanna Iacovides, Anna Cox, Margaret Gold, Brian Fuchs,
Alexandra Eveleigh, Kathleen Mathieu, Zoya Ajani, Yasmin Talsi.
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Very nice article!
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Very nice article!
Indeed! They did a great job of looking at a wide variety of things on a wide variety of projects.
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Does the Disappearance of Sea Ice Matter? (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/29/magazine/does-the-disappearance-of-sea-ice-matter.html)
Includes a link to the Old Weather Project ;)
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Oh dear - it's all so sobering :'(
The link to OW was
to this report from 2013:
http://www.washington.edu/news/2013/03/28/volunteers-use-historic-u-s-ship-logbooks-to-uncover-arctic-climate-data/
and I note from it (my bold & italics):
?A lot of people are motivated by being able to see the history unfolding in real time,?
Wood said. And there are other surprises ? the interns recently
discovered pressed flowers collected on Whidbey Island, Wash., wedged
between the pages of an 1891 entry.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
(makes my heart burst with pride:)
As
with other citizen-science projects, volunteers will be credited on
publications. The data is also being added to the International
Comprehensive Ocean-Atmosphere Data Set for use by scientists worldwide.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
:) :) :)
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...The link to OW was to this report from 2013: http://www.washington.edu/news/2013/03/28/volunteers-use-historic-u-s-ship-logbooks-to-uncover-arctic-climate-data/
...
The
site's community forums are active, Wood said. When volunteers discover
an unusual incident - say, somebody trying to jump ship through a
porthole - they head to the forum to compare notes to find out where
that person eventually ended up.
;D
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The
site's community forums are active, Wood said. When volunteers discover
an unusual incident - say, somebody trying to jump ship through a
porthole - they head to the forum to compare notes to find out where
that person eventually ended up.
;D
We are awesome aren't we? ;D
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Doesn't mention Old Weather but does mention use of whaling ship logs:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2016/aug/22/historical-documents-reveal-arctic-sea-ice-is-disappearing-at-record-speed
(https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2016/aug/22/historical-documents-reveal-arctic-sea-ice-is-disappearing-at-record-speed)
Historical documents reveal Arctic sea ice is disappearing at record speed
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:o :o :'(
Poor old planet...right - I better get back to those whalers :D
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Apologies for not getting this posted here before now. PLEASE ACT FAST if you want to join in:
See the details below - it would be great to have a turn out. For those
unwilling to give personal details I'm guessing that you could be
artistic with that? "Hello I'm Captain William Bligh etc", or "Hello I'm
Grace Darling etc", or use your avatar name?
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From @trouille
Zooniverse Team October 1st 2016, 3:11 am
This
Spring http://crowdandcloud.org will be doing a 4-part television
series on PBS (a U.S.-based public television station) focused on
citizen science. One of the episodes will highlight Old Weather. We will
definitely post here once we know the dates and how to view.
The
Crowd&Cloud team is interested in doing some social media posts
leading up to the show date. This week we received an email from them
asking the following:
"Would any oldWeather volunteers
[including mods of course] be interested in creating a 10 second video
selfie saying something along the lines of: ?I?m [your name] and I do
Old Weather citizen science through Zooniverse. I live in [where you
live] and my PBS station is [insert your local PBS station]!" Share your
excitement! Here is an example:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16330566/Noah_CoCoRaHS_RockyMtnPBS.mp4"
They
have a rather short timeline. If you're interested, post here right
away. No limits in how many we send their way -- the more the merrier.
Thank you! -Laura
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I replied to Laura:
Helloooo! Count me in - though my local PBS station will be across the Pond (Eastern shore), does the BBC count? 😉
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Laura replied:
October 11th 2016, 3:27 am
@AvastMH
My apologies for the slow response, was waiting to hear back from the
Crowd&Cloud contact. She said, yes, definitely. Thanks! The more the
merrier, so for anyone else considering, please do as well. Thanks!
You're welcome to post a link to your video here or in a DM if you
prefer.
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Well our happy birthday made it to DailyZoo!
(https://daily.zooniverse.org/2016/10/13/old-weather-is-another-year-older/?_ga=1.66856876.380709500.1458502193)
No time to enjoy that for long though - it's anchors aweigh and full
speed ahead into year seven ;D
(http://i.imgur.com/dyCOuc5.png)
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Apologies for not getting this posted here before now. PLEASE ACT FAST if you want to join in:
See the details below - it would be great to have a turn out. For those
unwilling to give personal details I'm guessing that you could be
artistic with that? "Hello I'm Captain William Bligh etc", or "Hello I'm
Grace Darling etc", or use your avatar name?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From @trouille
Zooniverse Team October 1st 2016, 3:11 am
This
Spring http://crowdandcloud.org will be doing a 4-part television
series on PBS (a U.S.-based public television station) focused on
citizen science. One of the episodes will highlight Old Weather. We will
definitely post here once we know the dates and how to view.
The
Crowd&Cloud team is interested in doing some social media posts
leading up to the show date. This week we received an email from them
asking the following:
"Would any oldWeather volunteers
[including mods of course] be interested in creating a 10 second video
selfie saying something along the lines of: ?I?m [your name] and I do
Old Weather citizen science through Zooniverse. I live in [where you
live] and my PBS station is [insert your local PBS station]!" Share your
excitement! Here is an example:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16330566/Noah_CoCoRaHS_RockyMtnPBS.mp4"
They
have a rather short timeline. If you're interested, post here right
away. No limits in how many we send their way -- the more the merrier.
Thank you! -Laura
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I replied to Laura:
Helloooo! Count me in - though my local PBS station will be across the Pond (Eastern shore), does the BBC count? 😉
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Laura replied:
October 11th 2016, 3:27 am
@AvastMH
My apologies for the slow response, was waiting to hear back from the
Crowd&Cloud contact. She said, yes, definitely. Thanks! The more the
merrier, so for anyone else considering, please do as well. Thanks!
You're welcome to post a link to your video here or in a DM if you
prefer.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
If anyone wants to respond please connect with Laura (https://www.zooniverse.org/users/trouille) very quickly now.
Being
an OW addict with no sense of self-preservation from the madness that
is the internet I sent in the following video. I'm not joking when I
tell you that it was attempt number 47. I still couldn't work out how to
stop it easily (they'll have to chop the last 4 seconds off themselves
at the TV station ;) ;D ).
Sitting outside in a stiff breeze at 8C concentrated my mind somewhat :D even so I still forgot to mention the BBC - sigh! ::) :D
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B22jttiAIMBrazRmcVNXcXhVcGc
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There is a great article on whaling in the Nov. 5-11 edition of New Scientist with a sidebar on Old Weather: Whaling (p.35)
Perhaps someone has already mentioned this?
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Thanks Craig! We'll try to get a copy.
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Hi folks the article is available here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LseTpIV750qZ5_0jazs4VCZgdhIf6QohHpWHheeEkfc/edit?usp=sharing
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I am glad you found it,Joan. It's a good article. 8)
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I'll get round to it tomorrow - glad it's got a good review from you Craig :D
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Good work, Joan. :)
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Great article! Thanks for putting it up. 8)
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Great article - thanks for making it available to us, Joan.
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Just got to read it myself - engrossing article. :D It was
interesting to work on the Albion in 1855 when oil prices were about to
collapse due to the arrival of kerosene, and a later ship around the
turn of the 20th century and so working with steam. The later boat saw
far less whales, and the stress of missing out on a kill seemed far
greater than for the earlier ship.
Over about 10 days in one port The Albion records these sums of barrels of whale oil (a large whale renders about 150 barrels):
Gratitude
Cornell 23 Oct 1856
P42 Albion3 (Okhotsk) Arrived Bark
Gratitude. Cornell. NB 1000 season
Baltic Brownson
23 Oct 1856 P42 Albion3
(Bristol Bay) Bark Baltic Brownson NB 1000 season
Liverpool
Barker 24 Oct 1856
P42 Albion3 Arrived ship Liverpool.
Barker. NBedford. 500 season (Bristol Bay)
Wolga
Crowell 28 Oct 1856
P43 Albion3 Arrived Bk Wolga.
Crowell. F.H. 800 season (Okhotsk)
Good Return Wing
30 Oct 1856 P43 Albion3
(Bristol Bay) Arrived Ship Good Return. Wing. NB 1400
season.
Rousseau 30 Oct 1856
P43 Albion3 (Okhotsk) Ship Rousseau
NB 500.
Ocmulgee 30 Oct 1856
P43 Albion3 (Okhotsk) Ship Ocmulgee.
Tisbury
Omega Hawes 31 Oct 1856
P43 Albion3 Arrived Ships Omega.
Hawes. Nant. OK. 400 season
Majestic Percival
31 Oct 1856 P43 Albion3
Majestic. Percival. NB. OK. 500 season
Corn'
Howland Luce 31 Oct 1856
P43 Albion3 Corn' Howland. Luce. NB
OK. 800 season [Note: full ship's name is Cornelius Howland]
Sarah
Mattapoisett 31 Oct 1856
P43 Albion3 Sarah Mattapoisett
Comm.
Preble. 31 Oct 1856
P43 Albion3 Comm. Preble. Lynn full 3
seasons [Note: full ship's name is Commodor Preble, registered at Lynn]
Eliza
Adams Hawes 31 Oct 1856
P43 Albion3 Ok. Eliza Adams Hawes
NB. 2300 season
Cleone Simmons 31
Oct 1856 P43 Albion3 BBay Cleone
Simmons NB. 1500
Petrel Tucker 1
Nov 1856 P43 Albion3 Arrived Ships
Petrel Tucker N.B. B.Bay 500 season
Braganza
Jackson 1 Nov 1856
P43 Albion3 Arrived Ships Braganza
Jackson N.B. B.Bay 900 season
Salamandre Chandleur
1 Nov 1856 P43 Albion3
Bk Salamandre. Chandleur. Havre 450 season
William
Thompson White 1 Nov 1856
P43 Albion3 William Thompson. White.
NB. 1000 season
Wm C. Nye Soule
2 Nov 1856 P44 Albion3
Arrived ships Wm C. Nye. Soule N.B.1000 the season
Menkar
Bloomfield 2 Nov 1856
P44 Albion3 Arrived ships Menkar.
Bloomfield. NB. 300 the season
Coral Manchester
2 Nov 1856 P44 Albion3
Arrived ships Coral. Manchester NB. 1000 the season
Jeannette
2 Nov 1856 P44
Albion3 Arrived ships Jeannette NB. 700 the season
Columbia
Folga 2 Nov 1856
P44 Albion3 Arrived ships Columbia
Folga Nant 100 sprm season
Henry Kneeland Whalon
2 Nov 1856 P44 Albion3
Arrived ships Henry Kneeland. Whalon NB. 400.
Which
totals 17050 barrels from about 115 whales. And this is simply a few
days from so many, and just one port from so many. :-[ :(
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It says "season", Joan. Does that mean this is the amount they have
obtained so far in the season? Or perhaps they seasoned the oil?
:D
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Not Old Weather, but it is about sea ice and logbooks:
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-38085147
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Very interesting, hanibal - thanks for posting that.
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Helen beat me to it ;)
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It
says "season", Joan. Does that mean this is the amount they have
obtained so far in the season? Or perhaps they seasoned the oil?
:D
I bet they wished they could perfume the stuff - it must be quite smelly :o
They
had two seasons a year by the looks of it. Arctic during its summer,
Antarctic (or at least South Pacific) during its summer. My lot spent
the best part of 3 years batting up and down the planet. Their
trip home was amazing - they just lobbed the tri-works (blubber boilers)
overboard. ::) :D
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Well not quite in the news, but nearly... :)
JohnF. kindly
posted this over on The Other Forum
(https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/zooniverse/old-weather/talk/164/13176?comment=235889):
BBC
R4 "Today" programme, usually have what I call a Science Slot, usually
at 6-50am, 7-50am and 8-50am (one time only). Today's one at 6-50am, was
about "Old Weather", with a Univ. of Reading researcher talking about
ice - however there was no mention of the Old Weather website, which
might have been useful, to get more members. The link to the programme
is here (you will have to go to the time) -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b084jqx6.
The radio slot was probably due to this link, on the BBC's web site - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-38085147.
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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-century-old-arctic-shipwreck-could-help-us-predict-extreme-weather/
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Super-dooper :D :D :D I'll post this to Clewi
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Weather records found frozen in time (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/weather-records-found-frozen-in-time-60ngb0rn9)
Published in The Times on April 15.
PM a mod if you would like to see the full article (text only). ;)
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http://www.highnorthnews.com/using-old-weather-to-inform-climate-change-work-today/
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Thanks Kevin, nice to know that the work of my colleagues in OW
whaling is so appreciated and useful. :) :)
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Great article!
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Cor - great article Kevin! I feel all starry eyed now. Whalers - love'em. :-* :-* :-*
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Excellent. Shared on social media ad nauseam. :)
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Excellent. Shared on social media ad nauseam. :)
Ditto.
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I was just watching the weekly science program on the French CBC TV
channel and there was a short segment on citizen science by Julie
Peyette, one of our Canadian astronauts. After describing several field
projects, such as gathering information on Monarch butterflies, she
introduced Zooniverse and focused on Old Weather long enough to see a
log page. It was a nice surprise.
Have a look at Julie Peyette's impressive bio: https://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/payette.html
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8) 8) 8)
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Amazing. Is there anything Ms Payette cannot do? :)
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:) :) :)
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I
was just watching the weekly science program on the French CBC TV
channel and there was a short segment on citizen science by Julie
Peyette, one of our Canadian astronauts. After describing several field
projects, such as gathering information on Monarch butterflies, she
introduced Zooniverse and focused on Old Weather long enough to see a
log page. It was a nice surprise.
Have a look at Julie Peyette's impressive bio: https://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/payette.html
Well blow me down - what a gal! :o :o ;D
If she applies to join the forum I'll say 'yes' :D
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OldWeather was mentioned again in the latest edition of Astronomy
and Geophysics, as part of a larger article on climate change science.
At a glance it mostly looked like the previous A&G article (the same
graph showing Jeanette's ice records, which is how I spotted it!).
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Either way it's great to be getting exposure steadily in one place or another :D
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The things people don't tell you...
Historical data: Hidden in the past (https://www.nature.com/naturejobs/science/articles/10.1038/nj7672-419)
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Great article!
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Indeed!
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Oh yes! :)
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It's us! Yeh!! ;D
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Sorry - I tried to post it and then the forum went down.
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It happens. :)
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Here's what really happened to Hanny's Voorwerp (https://www.sciencenews.org/article/heres-what-really-happened-hannys-voorwerp)
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https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/volunteers-help-rescue-europes-weather-history-180967385/
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https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/volunteers-help-rescue-europes-weather-history-180967385/
;D ;D ;D Nice mention Kevin!
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Addiction:
You write to a friend about it and say: Weather Rescue is a new project and the main subject of the article, but we are mentioned.
Then you revise it to: Weather Rescue is a new project and the main subject of the article, but Old Weather is mentioned.
;D
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https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/volunteers-help-rescue-europes-weather-history-180967385/
;D ;D ;D Nice mention Kevin!
It was an article like this that brought me here several years ago! ;D
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Kevin asked me to post this:
Here is the announcement from the Council on Library and Information Resources (CLIR) regarding our Seas of Knowledge proposal (https://www.clir.org/2018/01/clir-announces-2017-digitizing-hidden-special-collections-archives-awards/)
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Nearly everything we know about the world ocean prior to the satellite
era can be linked to a single document type: the ship's logbook. Other
primary documents, including muster rolls, field note books, photographs
and artwork, often depend on this link for context and interpretation.
This project will digitize the logbooks and muster rolls of U.S. naval
vessels (1861-1879), and selected related assets between 1801 and 1940.
Beyond imaging, we recover geospatial reference, weather and ocean data,
and other historical information through Old Weather, our
citizen-science program. These data will be suitable for computationally
intensive retrospective analysis (reanalysis) systems and for enhancing
the discoverability and application of information from the logbooks.
Images and data will be integrated into existing national and
international data infrastructure. Large-scale manuscript-to-digital
data conversion has great potential to foster new scientific and
historical understanding and provides enhanced access to our shared
maritime and cultural heritage.
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Congratulations!
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Well, that should keep us busy for a while!!
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8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
I couldn't help but notice:
Project: Seas of Knowledge: Digitization and Retrospective Analysis of the Historical Logbooks of the United States Navy
Award: $482,018
Let's see: split about a dozen ways... ;D ;D ;D
I had no idea that the digitizing was so expensive.
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Sweet! 8) 8) 8)
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When can I expect my cheque? ;D ;D ;D
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Good news! :)
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Great! I really like the phrase 'Seas of Knowledge'
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It is expensive - about .40 USD per image, with about 90% of that
explained by the stipend for student-interns or employees who run the
equipment and manage the workflow. So far, nearly all of the people we
have had on board were from the University of Maryland Information
School; two have gone on to professional positions at the Archives and
at the Library of Congress.
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With this award the joint imaging program is good for 3 more years
without seeking additional funding every year. If we could image every
logbook in the Archives we'd do it, and this will get us a measurable
way to that crazy goal.
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... two have gone on to professional positions at the Archives and at the Library of Congress.
Naturally! ;D
I'm
so impressed by this project Kevin. Well done for getting this funding.
I will enjoy helping to spend nearly half a million dollars ;D ;D
;D
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Brilliant news, Kevin - well done! And good news for all of us addicts too .... ::)
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http://research.noaa.gov/News/NewsArchive/LatestNews/TabId/684/ArtMID/1768/ArticleID/12322/Mining-weather-data-from-Civil-War-era-Navy-logbooks.aspx
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8)
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8) 8) 8)
It looks like our work will never end! ;D
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Nope - 50 years from now, I'll probably still be working on Old Weather !
Only Poseidon knows what the version number will be by then... ;D
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8) 8) 8) ;D ;D ;D
Oh happy day - it's like sailing the
Southern seas - you don't need to end up stranded on land with no ships
to log. Bliss...... ;D
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Very nice. I also noticed all the nice press releases to the other
stages of oldweather. I work for an another agency that shall not
be named that may shut down in 24 hours and we've had to remove all
press releases older than January 20, 2017...
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Very sorry to hear that, Zovacor.
Bad for you. Bad for the world :'(
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:'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Hope something is sorted out in time, Zovacor - not good news.
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Sad to hear that, Zovacor. Hope there is better news soon.
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Oh that's so worrying for you Zovacor :'( :'( :'(
I hope so very much that the worst does not happen. :) :) :)
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Here is a very nice press release from the National Archives regarding the Seas of Knowledge project.
https://www.archives.gov/press/press-releases/nr18-24
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(https://sc.mogicons.com/share/thumbs-up-192.jpg)
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(https://sc.mogicons.com/share/thumbs-up-192.jpg)
I'll second that! Very nice piece :D
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Citizen scientists are unearthing climate data from old ships' logs (https://www.yaleclimateconnections.org/2018/05/volunteers-unearth-climate-data-in-ships-logs/)
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Citizen scientists are unearthing climate data from old ships' logs (https://www.yaleclimateconnections.org/2018/05/volunteers-unearth-climate-data-in-ships-logs/)
8)
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Citizen scientists are unearthing climate data from old ships' logs (https://www.yaleclimateconnections.org/2018/05/volunteers-unearth-climate-data-in-ships-logs/)
Is that our 'Kevin' that is mentioned (Kevin Wood)
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Yup!
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What a mix - Kevin Wood and The Jeannette - the weather can keep no secrets from us with this combination :D
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There is mention for us here: Volunteer opportunities | NOAA
(https://www.noaa.gov/work-with-us/volunteer-opportunities-citizen-scientists?fbclid=IwAR3eS3CPA9JVIzaPzf8UY_zSkq7D-U3hEyfCY9WX7o-CKNiL7eKr2V4NQEo).
Thank you to our latest forum member, Yellowdory, for passing on the link.
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There is mention for us here: Volunteer opportunities | NOAA
(https://www.noaa.gov/work-with-us/volunteer-opportunities-citizen-scientists?fbclid=IwAR3eS3CPA9JVIzaPzf8UY_zSkq7D-U3hEyfCY9WX7o-CKNiL7eKr2V4NQEo).
Thank you to our latest forum member, Yellowdory, for passing on the link.
What a wonderful link! Thank you Yellowdory :D
A couple of links in, I got to a page from 2015 about OW with interviews from Michael, Kathy, Helen, and Craig :D :D :D :D
https://research.noaa.gov/article/ArtMID/587/ArticleID/604/The-citizen-scientists-behind-NOAAs-Old-Weather-project
OW was already so advanced that the picture of a log page is of the USS Jeanette. :)
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There is mention for us here: Volunteer opportunities | NOAA
(https://www.noaa.gov/work-with-us/volunteer-opportunities-citizen-scientists?fbclid=IwAR3eS3CPA9JVIzaPzf8UY_zSkq7D-U3hEyfCY9WX7o-CKNiL7eKr2V4NQEo).
Thank you to our latest forum member, Yellowdory, for passing on the link.
Fascinating!!
Under
'Weather'. I have been CoCoRaHS.org (NY-NG-2) for over 30 years. I
became a COOP last Fall replacing a good friend 2km South who had to
withdraw due to health problems. I am also trained in SKYWARN and have
been for over 20. ;-)
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From Twitter:
https://twitter.com/ECMWF/status/1122772804452196352
The
role of ECMWF and the C3S in historical data rescue
(https://www.ecmwf.int/en/about/media-centre/focus/role-ecmwf-and-c3s-historical-data-rescue)
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From Twitter:
https://twitter.com/ECMWF/status/1122772804452196352
The
role of ECMWF and the C3S in historical data rescue
(https://www.ecmwf.int/en/about/media-centre/focus/role-ecmwf-and-c3s-historical-data-rescue)
:D :D :D
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I just took another look at "Figure 4: Screenshot of oldweather.org
(new Whaling Chapter)" in The role of ECMWF and the C3S in historical
data rescue
(https://www.ecmwf.int/en/about/media-centre/focus/role-ecmwf-and-c3s-historical-data-rescue)
I had a strong suspicion when I saw the printed date...
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
This comes from the 1892 log of the California written in an 1889 diary!
https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/zooniverse/old-weather/talk/subjects/9634737
https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/zooniverse/old-weather/talk/subjects/9634741
https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/zooniverse/old-weather/talk/subjects/9634744
The page shown explains the invalid
method of Calculating position whilst at sea. Instructions from logs.
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4939.msg151315#msg151315)
If
they had read Joan's instructions
(https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/zooniverse/old-weather/talk/157/363142)
they would have known that that printed date should not have been
transcribed.
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I
just took another look at "Figure 4: Screenshot of oldweather.org (new
Whaling Chapter)" in The role of ECMWF and the C3S in historical data
rescue
(https://www.ecmwf.int/en/about/media-centre/focus/role-ecmwf-and-c3s-historical-data-rescue)
I had a strong suspicion when I saw the printed date...
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
This comes from the 1892 log of the California written in an 1889 diary!
https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/zooniverse/old-weather/talk/subjects/9634737
https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/zooniverse/old-weather/talk/subjects/9634741
https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/zooniverse/old-weather/talk/subjects/9634744
The page shown explains the invalid
method of Calculating position whilst at sea. Instructions from logs.
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4939.msg151315#msg151315)
If
they had read Joan's instructions
(https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/zooniverse/old-weather/talk/157/363142)
they would have known that that printed date should not have been
transcribed.
Wow
Randi.... WELL SPOTTED!!!! :o I saw that yesterday and gave the
deepest sigh. I hope it was just a two-second put-together-picture,
though we'd never do such a thing here. I tried my best to expunge boxes
drawn around pre-printed dates (a lot of people transcribed all the
dates on the page, regardless). What annoys me is that I can't recall,
at this moment, which of the ships uses a very small format of log book
(equivalent to about A6 format) in which the pages are correctly
pre-dated. Got a feeling the Captain was Tilton...one to unscramble
later today! :D
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I kinda wish they'd given us an email... But hey, good article otherwise.
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I kinda wish they'd given us an email... But hey, good article otherwise.
Oh!! :o :o :o Yes that was odd then :( Still - it's advertising I guess ;)
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Actually, it's Journey Plotter in the news. :)
The kind people at CesiumJS, have added Where Were They? to their showcases page.
https://cesiumjs.org/demos/wherewerethey/
I managed to sneak in links to Old Weather and naval-history.net, though. :D
If you want to play with Where Were They? yourself, follow this link:
https://www.journeyplotter.nl/wherewerethey.html
(https://www.journeyplotter.nl/images/Where Were They.gif)
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Fantastic - Well done Maikel! ;D ;D ;D
And thanks for sneaking in some OW mentions.
It's quite mesmerizing watching all of those ships scurrying around the planet.
(https://i.imgur.com/NssF2Xf.gif)
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Fascinating display :) :)
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Great !
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Impressive work!
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https://twitter.com/NCAR_RDA/status/1144058111654711296
NCAR RDA
@PhilipBrohan is collaborating with us this summer as a @NCAR_CISL visiting scientist.
Today he presented a seminar on rescuing historic weather observations for @oldweather and other citizen science programs
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-CCyLjUIAAnKja.jpg)
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8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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The Kon Tiki had a log book ;D.
I remember reading
the book of the voyage when I was a kid. Great book.
Interesting experimental archaeology. Kooky theories.
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;D ;D ;D
I read it when I was a kid too, and I loved it!
Also Aku-Aku and the Ra expedition.
I think he did a service in showing that "primitive people" could make extraordinary voyages.
But his theories did indeed seem to get wilder, and less well substantiated, as time went on :(
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8)
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"
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New from Kevin!
White House report showcases NOAA citizen science efforts (https://www.noaa.gov/education/news/white-house-report-showcases-noaa-citizen-science-efforts)
We are mentioned!
and
Century-old ship logs reveal extent of today's drastic Arctic melt (https://mashable.com/article/arctic-melting-ship-logs/)
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:) :) :)
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:D :D :D
Good old OldWeather!
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;D ;D ;D 8)
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All over today --
The Economist:
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2019/08/13/shipping-logs-show-how-quickly-arctic-sea-ice-is-melting
Vice:
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/vb5g89/old-sailor-logs-show-how-frighteningly-fast-the-arctic-is-losing-ice
Science Daily:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/08/190808133524.htm
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?There are warehouses full of ship logs we haven?t looked at yet,? Moore said.
;D ;D ;D
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Well that takes care of my retirement activities assuming someone will digitise them.
:) :) :)
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Mine, too. And to think I was planning to sit around in a tee-shirt, watch sports and drink beer all day! ;D ;D ;D
PS I heard a rumor that "they" got a BIG bunch of money scan LOTS more log books.
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Oh my - the Arctic - what a state! Very sobering articles :(
Fantastic
to think that there's plenty of work for us to do. Couldn't imagine
life without OldWeather and its wonderful crew. :D :D :D
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Fantastic
to think that there's plenty of work for us to do. Couldn't imagine
life without OldWeather and its wonderful crew. :D :D :D
Very well put!
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Great articles, especially the NOAA one! Thanks for posting.
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My apologies to Terry (BaroquePearl), I missed out on posting this on the 21st September.
Hey Joan...
Look
what is on the Apple News Feed this morning - also showing as a top 10
story on PopularMechanics.com (which is where Apple new feed pulled it
from)
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a29127606/us-coast-guard-ice-data/
It mentions OldWeather.org and the citizen science project. :)
:D :D :D
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Thanks to all of the volunteers for every single entry! Especially, I
want to thank everyone for the barometric pressure that we rely on in
the NOAA-CIRES-DOE 20th Century Reanalysis Project
<go.usa.gov/XTd>. (And, the sea ice observations, and the sea
surface temperatures, and the air temperatures, and the winds, and the
clouds, and.. all of it!).
I wanted to make sure everyone knew
that we have just released version 3 of this dataset back to 1836.
https://research.noaa.gov/article/ArtMID/587/ArticleID/2560/Old-weather-%E2%80%9Ctime-machine%E2%80%9D-opens-a-treasure-trove-for-researchers
Best wishes,
gil
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8) 8) 8)
Thanks for posting that!
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Yay! Thanks Gil.
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Thanks Gil - what a wonderful article!
I wonder if you've
ever seen this quote from George Melville of the Jeannette? It comes at
the end of his book 'In the Lena Delta'. If only he knew just how
much value those details would have for us now...
(https://imgur.com/V7a7KBW.png)
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Great article; and what a prescient quote from George Melville. Here's to many more years of patient toil!
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Indeed!
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Thanks for that quote. Kevin Wood recently shared that with me, too!
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Great article, and an astonishingly accurate quote!
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A new article on the NOAA-CIRES-DOE 20th Century Reanalysis version 3
and its heavy dependency on Old Weather and Citizen Science!
https://www.dailycamera.com/2019/10/13/boulder-scientists-sharpen-focus-on-past-weather-with-eye-to-future/
best wishes,
gil
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Thanks, Gil!
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Thanks Gil from me too :D
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Keep in mind Gil's comment in that article
The main data point utilized by the scientists is barometric pressure.
and be extra careful with your pressure entries ;)
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Keep in mind Gil's comment in that article
The main data point utilized by the scientists is barometric pressure.
and be extra careful with your pressure entries ;)
The Whalers promise to be careful - we've had three single readings so far. ::)
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To be fair, the sea ice will be the main scientific output from the
Old Weather whaling. Kevin and Philip noticed very early on that we were
not going to get many barometric pressure readings from this source.
The
sea ice is also a component of the 20CRv3 but only at monthly
resolution. That monthly resolution comes from the individual recordings
that OW-Whaling is recovering. Keep up the Great Work!
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Just about to hand over a lot of logbook work form the whalers ;)
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And I'm currently doing a month with LOTS of sea ice - so much they can't even get to Barrow!
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What month and year?
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August 1922, on the USCGC Bear - so not a whaling ship.
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August 1922, on the USCGC Bear - so not a whaling ship.
I shall spend a tear of embarrassment for my whalers :'( ;)
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Decades of detailed weather reports pulled from old sailor's logs
(https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2019/10/old-sailors-logs-sharpen-picture-of-climate-change/?fbclid=IwAR1aXEVmQErA551taateAICLCoOfb-b1-rIB-nwEtVRJ9ck3JN1Z1PBifeA)
National Geographic, no less. :)
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(https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/firework-feature-use.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=700)
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Ummmmm
Their image "Logbook for the Jeannette, a ship that
was imprisoned in ice for two years before it sank. Its crew carried the
log to safety" clearly says Jamestown at the top :o :o :o :o :o
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I was just going to note that, but you beat me to it. :)
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I contacted Gil and he has contacted the writer ;D
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Dear all,
The writer has gotten a proper Jamestown logbook caption for the Jamestown image.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2019/10/old-sailors-logs-sharpen-picture-of-climate-change/?fbclid=IwAR1aXEVmQErA551taateAICLCoOfb-b1-rIB-nwEtVRJ9ck3JN1Z1PBifeA
She wanted the USS Jamestown page because of the connection to the Sitka storm she highlights.
Thanks again for all of your contributions to this project. They are invaluable!
best wishes,
gil
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I see it!
Good work, Gil!
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Thanks for your eagle eyes noticing it!
best wishes,
gil
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Oh boy!! National Geographic - dreamy! ;D ;D ;D
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Wow, that's great! I'm gonna show it to family 8)
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Great - we are really hitting the heights! This latest reanalysis is getting a lot of coverage.
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A local Denver channel did a very nice written and video piece on the "Weather Time Machine" of the 20th Century Reanalysis:
https://denver.cbslocal.com/2019/11/12/boulder-scientists-launch-noaa-funded-weather-time-machine-project/
The video is also available directly on youtube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYQ6SKqGq40.
Thanks again for everyone's contributions, Philip Brohan's great videos, and Kevin Wood's archive of images!
best wishes,
gil
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Good to see you, Gil and Laura. ;D
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8) Thanks, Gil.
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Love the idea of a Weather Time Machine - very cool!
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Good to see you, Gil and Laura. ;D
Ditto! :)
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Gosh that was fun! Hello Gil and Laura :D
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8)
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Great article about us, by Andrew Marshall of Reuters. Some of
us were interviewed and even photographed for it. He's done a really
good job of weaving together a huge amount of information. And he
can certainly be forgiven for calling us 'an eccentric group of citizen
scientists.'
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/climate-change-ice-shiplogs/
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What an excellent article (I'll take eccentric as a compliment!).
Well done to the interviewees - your enthusiasm really comes across.
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Excellent indeed!
Be sure to follow the link to Weather Time
Machine
(https://graphics.reuters.com/CLIMATE-CHANGE-ICE-SHIPLOGS/0100B4QE2FC/index.html).
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Love it! In an eccentric kind of way.
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I too will admit to eccentricity. Well done everyone, our numbers
may have diminished but between us we have really contributed to weather
and history. The only caveat I have is the lack of links to our
published materials and a hint that new members are always made welcome.
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The only caveat I have is the lack of links to our published materials and a hint that new members are always made welcome.
Understood!
I did talk about the forum side of things for new members briefly
(leaving Kevin to raise the technical bits of course). You might well
find that these points pop up in the vlog they made (can't find that at
the moment - has anyone else pinned that down please?).
I
certainly hope that it inspires some new folks to join. It seems to me
that the Forum is a great advert in itself. It was for me all those
years ago. ;) :D
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There was very positive mention of the Forum, which was good.
I couldn't find the vlog either - I thought Andrew had mentioned it, but thought perhaps it was just me ....
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Well done all! What fantastic stories Reuters did.
Thanks Joan, Helen, Michael, and Kevin for being interviewed. Your personal stories make the whole project come alive!
And,
the first time I read this, I completely missed the link to the Weather
Time Machine
https://graphics.reuters.com/CLIMATE-CHANGE-ICE-SHIPLOGS/0100B4QE2FC/index.html,
story. Thanks for pointing that out.
I also missed the embedded video the first time!
Sidenote: 20CRv3 also has assimilated Admiral Byrd's south pole expedition observations.
This project really does keep getting better and better the more people we share it with.
Thanks for all the work you do!
best wishes,
gil
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Thanks Gil...you made me go back and look again and here is the
video bit. Watch for this as you read through the piece (it may
not have been there earlier today?). Click that picture about
exploration... :D
(https://imgur.com/da8Bqe7.png)
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Really great story.
Passed the link on to my friends so they can understand the hours I spend looking at the screen
Got to go now, have an appointment with an ophthalmologist.
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Better not miss that appointment!
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Could you please stop writing in such minute text size?
;D ;)
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:P ;D
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Sorry - I'm a bit deaf could you repeat that a little louder please Stuart? 8)
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I did suggest 'madcap crew of digital buccaneers' but it didn't take.
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:) :) :)
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I did suggest 'madcap crew of digital buccaneers' but it didn't take.
We could take it on for ourselves ....
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I did suggest 'madcap crew of digital buccaneers' but it didn't take.
Another possible subject for a Dockside Gallery painting ;)
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I did suggest 'madcap crew of digital buccaneers' but it didn't take.
Another possible subject for a Dockside Gallery painting ;)
You took the words right out of my mouth Randi. Great title Kevin ;D ;D ;D
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I did suggest 'madcap crew of digital buccaneers' but it didn't take.
Another possible subject for a Dockside Gallery painting ;)
I'll keep that in mind, thanks ;)
If you have a picture that would fit, feel free to send it to me! I'll give credit.
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Andrew Marshall was interested to know of the reaction to the
article. I thought to log them here. If you spot it being used please
post int this topic and I'll collate them here. Thanks!! :D
Reported by:
[3]
St Louis Newspaper
https://www.stltoday.com/news/national/icebound-the-climate-change-secrets-of-a-th-century-ship/article_15a8cadd-0970-5d4a-b3c8-8287d1aaf075.html
[2] GCaptain https://gcaptain.com/icebound-the-climate-change-secrets-of-19th-century-ships-logbooks/
[1]
ARCHIVES-NRA mailing list:
(https://www.reuters.com/article/us-climate-change-ice-shiplogs-specialre/special-report-icebound-the-climate-change-secrets-of-19th-century-ships-logbooks-idUSKBN1YF1Q7)
[1] Science.gov https://www.science.gov/
[1] new transcriber pda21
Folks popping in and posting a note to us after reading the article (numbers only) in square brackets before the article. :)
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I posted a link on my Franciscan communities' FB page
(https://www.facebook.com/TheCommunityAndSocietyOfStFrancisEuropeanProvince/)
yesterday; so far seen by 512 people, 45 have engaged with it, and 3
have shared.
Later in the week I'll also be tweeting a link at
https://twitter.com/monknunCofE, where I am tweeter of the week.
I'll report back any interesting responses.
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I have had lots of feedback coming back through our inside
connections - at least one case sparked by a tweet from OW (we do
that?). My favorite was from a meteorologist/climatologist in Oceania:
"What
a great job! What a recognition! It's really deserved. Gentlemen, you
are the James Camerons of data rescue." Of course that last sentence
really applies to Andrew and Co. I think, since we are not filmmakers
(nor all gentlemen obviously). The gentleladies of OW are the real
breakout stars of this production!
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Thanks for the news, Kevin!
I'll be posting the article in our
chat app at work - we have an "off topic" channel - but I'll wait till
January, as several people are on holiday.
My employer has about 50 people.
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Old Weather on Twitter: https://twitter.com/oldweather
Close to 1000 followers. :)
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Thanks from me too Kevin. :D It's great to hear this
feedback. It went down very well at work. It went out on our Twitter
stream. There's a two-weekly letter that goes out too so I hope to get a
mention in that. Once a term we have an 'everyone welcome' meeting
where we can present our research. It's only a ten minute slot, but if I
can get a slot and understand some of your complex results, Kevin, I'd
love to do a slot in the summer term if I can bag one. ;) 8)
PS
- I read that at speed - so James Cameron is joining then - beezer! I
think he even has some experience with shipping involved with ice?
;) ;D ;D ;D
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Courtesy of our most recent member...
The Washington Post
2oC: Beyond the limit / How we know global warming is real
The
answer includes Benjamin Franklin, Mutiny on the Bounty and centuries
of records
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/climate-environment/thermometers-climate-change/)
Crowd-sourcing
projects such as Old Weather (https://www.oldweather.org/), Southern
Weather Discovery
(https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/drewdeepsouth/southern-weather-discovery)
and WeatherRescue
(https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/edh/weather-rescue/) rely on an
elaborate human network of amateur historians, who go page by page to
replicate the detailed and accurate observations of the past.
And
Hawkins is eager to transcribe logbooks of ships from the English East
India Co., which plied trade on routes between Europe, Asia and India
for decades in the 18th century.
Yoo-hoo! Over here!
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And
Hawkins is eager to transcribe logbooks of ships from the English East
India Co., which plied trade on routes between Europe, Asia and India
for decades in the 18th century.
Yoo-hoo! Over here!
[/quote]
Oh yes!!!
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And
Hawkins is eager to transcribe logbooks of ships from the English East
India Co., which plied trade on routes between Europe, Asia and India
for decades in the 18th century.
Yoo-hoo! Over here!
Oh yes!!!
[/quote]
Please please please please - pretty please?
:D :D :D
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From Ian at work. This'll keep me busy for a short while. :D
Ian Curtis
Fri 20/12/2019 11:33
Joan Arthur
Joan,
Oxford
Mail/Times have asked if you would like to write an article about Old
Ships? They?ve seen the Reuters article ? and are wondering about a
more personal article from you? About 500 words?
No rush. Some time over the break? Let me know if you?re interested.
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Excellent - I'm sure you'll do a great job, Joan.
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Yay Joan!!! Finally, some good news out of olde England. :)
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Good on you, Joan. ;D
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Well deserved Joan. I look forward to reading the article.
K