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Title: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 21 October 2012, 17:14:38
Add your questions and comments to this topic.



If you need help transcribing see: Jeannette -- Reference: Transcription Example and Log Description (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3322.0)

If you are interested in the names of crew members see: Jeannette -- Crew Lists (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3452.0)

Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: mrhode on 05 November 2012, 11:48:30
I read about this project on Slate this weekend. I'm an archivist with the Navy's Office of Medical History and we have the weather log of the Arctic steamer Jeannette from 1879-1881. The ship was caught in Arctic ice and destroyed. The weather log was kept by the ship's surgeon, James Ambler, who perished on the expedition. If there is any interest in digitizing and adding this slim volume to the project, please contact me directly.


Michael Rhode
Archivist / Curator
US Navy BUMED Office of Medical History
703-681-2539 (NEW phone number as of May 22, 2012)
michael.rhode@med.navy.mil
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 13 November 2012, 15:57:54
Directions for Keeping the Ship's Log:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_003_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_004_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_004_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 13 November 2012, 17:29:16
Log seems to start with an incredible quantity of inserts :(

A lot of text on this page - but covered by a piece of paper in part. The next page in the transcribing sequence is the log page that I expected after a weather page.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_009_1.jpg  This might need to be done again

This is not a scanning fault, this is the normal process when an insert is permanently bound into the book.  The scanner must scan the butterflied book twice, with the insert covering first the right-hand page and then the left-hand page, or vice versa.  There's no other way around it.

For general information, this is how to handle this particular variation of the problem: 
Page 1 of 4 is a normal weather page.  Transcribe it.
     http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_009_0.jpg
Page 2 of 4 is the first side of the insert - transcribe that and ignore the page proper.  (blank here.)
     http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_009_1.jpg
Page 3 of 4 is the second side of the insert - transcribe that and ignore the page proper.  (Barometer info here.)
     http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_010_0.jpg
Page 4 of 4 is the normal comment page.  Transcribe it.
     http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_010_1.jpg

It is common to have to look at the JPEG link for the other half of the insert to finish reading it, because the folds may put it where the computer page cut separates it into 2 pieces.  It is acceptable to put any transcribing you want to do entirely on one of the 2 halves.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 13 November 2012, 17:40:04
You're clever - thank you !

Inserts -Yep, plenty - still - they were off on a grand mission - not a sneeze to be un-logged, the weight of modern science to be brought to bear. Such hopes.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 13 November 2012, 18:19:35
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_010_0.jpg

Barometer changes and CORRECTIONS required to balance readings:

Description of the Instruments used in making the
Meteorological Observations recorded in the columns of the Log Book.

Barometer
The standard was a Mercurial Barometer made by Adie,
London, No. 1231, and was placed in the
State-room of the Commanding Officer.
 For convenience of observation a Holosteric Aneroid Barometer
made by T.S. & J.D. Negus, New York (without numbers) was placed
in the open air on the outside of the Cabin bulkhead and
remained there from June 25th to 4.30 PM September 25th 1879.
The entries in the Log Book between these dates are readings
of this Baromoeter: and a general correction of one tenth of
an inch (0.1") subtractive must be applied to these to make
them agree with the Standard Mercurial at similar tempera
tures.
 At 4.30 PM September 25th - 1879, the said Aneroid was
moved to within the Cabin, and set by comparison with
Mercurial Standard to a reading reduced to a temperature of
32 degrees Fahrenheit.
 At 2 PM September 27th - 1879 it was set to comparison
with Mercurial Standard to a reading reduced to a tempera
ture of 46 degrees Fahrenheit. The reading of this Aneroid was
discontinued at midnight October 31st - 1879.
 From 1 AM November 1st 1879 to Midnight January 9th 1880
the readings for the Log were made from Aneroid Barometer
No. 28051 which had been set by comparison with Mercurial
Standard to a reading reduced to 32 degrees Fahrenheit.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 13 November 2012, 18:22:43
I'm copying this transcription to Kevin and Philip for their analysts to use when the Jeanette's data starts coming in.  :)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 13 November 2012, 18:27:51
Thanks Janet. The next page is the thermometer - looks like even more info...

 I had to chuckle a bit - super scientific expo puts fancy barometer in CO's suite so uses spare on the Cabin bulkhead.  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 13 November 2012, 18:29:51
List of boats:
1 steam cutter; 2 Whale boats; 2 Cutters; 2 Dinghys; 1 Folding Canvas Boat

Armaments: 12 Remington BS Rifles, 7000 Rifle cartridges, from Bursar of Ordnance through Mare Island: 6 Remington revolvers, 3000 Revolver cartridges, from the Bursar of Ordnance through Mare Island Yard

Armaments by  Private purchase: 3 Winchester repeating rifles, 2500 Winchester cartridges:  4 Remington RID shot guns and 6000 cartridges: 2 Remington RID with extra Rifle band and 2000 cartridges:  10 English BS Rifles and 500 cartridges:  10 English US Rifles and 500 cartridges: 6 English selfcocking revolvers and 500 cartridges
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 14 November 2012, 04:19:18
The first 48 pages of this log include a few blanks (kind), one weather page, then a stream of info which is fascinating..including the COMPLETE ship's inventory (joy)...but very boggy.  One page:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_024_0.jpg   and
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_024_1.jpg   have the date obscured and is shown as left then right hand side of the page.

I will transcribe all of these pages and put the info here. In case no one else decides to transcribe those pages I'd love it if someone might just try to check them at sometime. Once they are 'out of the way' the Jeannette will be a lot more attractive to work on.
Joan
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 14 November 2012, 04:40:24
Suggest in the Editors' Lounge that her start up is made for historians who hate doing many weather records, and ask them to sign on long enough to get her maiden voyage launched!  The inventories never used by anyone else kind of underline that she is planning to be out of touch with any store or warehouse for 2 to 3 years.  Mistakes not tolerated by sea ice.  More than a bit scary, but probably interesting.

I add, having only one of those inserts split in 2 is an amazing improvement over the RN scans - they would have sent us that packet with 100% of the inserts split in 2.  I'm going to like this scanning technology. :)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 14 November 2012, 04:47:19
That's a good idea Janet - I'll pop something in the Editor's lounge.  As you say - there's no point in hoping to find a local Chandler's Store where they are going.
Yes - the scanning is wonderful. I do recall those split RN pages - they must have been really hard work. I was surprised to even see a split page here.

Next - thermometer fun....
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 14 November 2012, 04:52:38
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_011_0.jpg

PLEASE could these thermometer notes go to the scientists - they include corrections to the various readings. Thank you:

Thermometers
The Standard was a Mercurial Thermometer N0. 4313 made by Green, New York.

Air Dry Bulb  Air Wet Bulb.
From June 25th to October 31st midnight, the Dry Bulb
was recorded from readings of Mercurial Thermometer N0 2009,
USN. made by JT Large, and which comparison with
Mercurial Standard requires a correction of eight tenths of
one degree (0.8 degrees) additive.  The Wet Bulb was recorded
from readings of a Mercurial Thermometer (without number)
made by JD Patten, Poultny, London, and which by
comparison with Mercurial Standard requires a correction  of
three and a half degrees (3 1/2 degrees) Subtractive.

From November 1st 1879. 1 AM to January 9th 1880,
Midnight, the Dry Bulb was recorded from readings of
Standard Mercurial thermometer made by Green, New york.

Water Surface.
These temperatures were recorded from readings of a
Mercurial Thermometer mad by JD Patten, Poultny,
London, which by comparison with Mercurial Standard
requires correction of two degrees (2 degrees) Subtractive.

Deep Sea Temperatures
At 1 fathom from the Lead. L Casella, London No 24415
At 16 fathom from the Lead. L Casella, London No 27110
At 30 fathom from the Lead. L casella, London No 25257

------------------------------------------------------
From Joan: Please note the Barometer page has been corrected to show 9th January 1880 towards the end. thank you.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 November 2012, 07:20:54
Copied to: Barometers, Instrumentation and Specifications by Ship - Phase 3
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3456.msg55947#msg55947
(I hope I put that page in the same board that we had the RN page in ;))
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 14 November 2012, 09:10:46
Thanks Randi - completely forgot about that page to put this in...RIGHT - and onwards to .....small drum roll......clash of cymbals....Specific Gravity Devices.....yeeeaaahhh!  ::) ::) ::)


I'm not sure if we shouldn't have a temporary warning on the Jeannette whilst we get the first 48 pages out of the way...what do you think?  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 November 2012, 09:33:35
I made a point of showing this type of pages in the Sneak Preview, but maybe the ones I have there now are not the best choice.

Perhaps
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_012_0.jpg
and
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_012_1.jpg
?

Any really horrible pair to use?

Once we get past these pages, I WILL update the Preview!

I could also add a comment ('come back later') after the comment on Pioneer and Yukon :-\
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 14 November 2012, 09:37:24
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_011_1.jpg

Specific Gravities.
Water brought up by "Sigsbee Water Cups".
Salinometer Hydrometer weighted with red Sealing Wax,
marked "Tagliabue - New York - Specific Gravity Co." Fah.
Scale 1.020 to 1.031
Hydrometer (weighted with small shot), no name of maker
marked Specific Gravity Co "Fah."  Scale 1.000 to 1.030

[copied to instruments pages.]
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 14 November 2012, 09:55:25
I made a point of showing this type of pages in the Sneak Preview, but maybe the ones I have there now are not the best choice.

Perhaps
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_012_0.jpg
and
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_012_1.jpg
?

Any really horrible pair to use?

Once we get past these pages, I WILL update the Preview!

I could also add a comment ('come back later') after the comment on Pioneer and Yukon :-\


I think these are currently ideal for the job..it looks hopeful - but the second page is a gentle warning of how things are just now. Yes- a quick message to come back in a week or so with the Pioneer and Yukon message would be good.  After this point she'll be great. There are script niggles - if you notice we've a similar two-stroke '0' (zero) that looks a bit like 11. In addition, there are 'o's that look like 'a's and a few others - I'll pick a useful block of text in the next couple of days. Also I've got the snipping tool at home which is so much better than my screen capture here at work.
Right back to the fun...I just noticed that the inventory list includes lamp shades, pens, pencils, and a Vancouver Island Pilot...wonder which shelf he goes on... ;D ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 November 2012, 10:20:43
Stand him in a corner with the lampshade on top ;D




What do you think of:
Jeannette has lots of inserts at the beginning. Transcribing them is not required, but they can be irritating. You may prefer to come back in a week or two.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 14 November 2012, 13:44:21
Stand him in a corner with the lampshade on top ;D   I'm sure he would look entirely decorous - pretty gold-tassel-fringed shade atop a full set of whiskers. Excellent idea. We'll take two.  ;D




What do you think of:
Jeannette has lots of inserts at the beginning. Transcribing them is not required, but they can be irritating. You may prefer to come back in a week or two.  I think this hits the mark exactly..thank you
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 14 November 2012, 13:47:45
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_011_1.jpg

Force of Wind.
From June 25th to October 31st 1879.  The force of the
wind as estimated and recorded according to the
Beaufort Scale.
From November 1st- 1879 1 AM to January 9th 1880
Midnight - the velocity of the wind was estimated and recorded
by the readings of an Anemometer, marked "I. Green. NY"
10 "Signal Service USA"
No. 120 "Signal Service USA"

[copied to instruments pages.]
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 14 November 2012, 14:12:35
That's a good idea Janet - I'll pop something in the Editor's lounge.  As you say - there's no point in hoping to find a local Chandler's Store where they are going.
Yes - the scanning is wonderful. I do recall those split RN pages - they must have been really hard work. I was surprised to even see a split page here.

Next - thermometer fun....
On it, Cap'n Joan.

Although I've not got to the inserts yet, so I may follow the example of some of the sailors in this phase and jump ship after a few hours work  ;)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 14 November 2012, 14:24:25
I went to the previous JPEG link and used my snipping tool to put both halves of that insert together in a Word doc and then took a snip of the assembly.  (The Word doc won't attach, too big.)

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_011_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_011_1.jpg

See attached. :)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 14 November 2012, 14:59:46
Wow - you're kind jil :D. I forgot to put a note in the Ed's lounge as well (daft me).

I've posted the techno stuff that's stuck into the log by the 22nd page. There is a bit of weather and daily events page in amongst those. They odd pages probably look bewildering to anyone new.
I thought it'd save us all a lot if someone were to check my transcription rather than have to go through the whole thing again, but then tick the pages off as done so that they don't throw themselves at any more unsuspecting newbies.
As I do those pages I'll post them here for review. Hope that seems sensible. Of course I'm not stopping anyone from slogging through it!  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 November 2012, 15:09:52
Stand him in a corner with the lampshade on top ;D   I'm sure he would look entirely decorous - pretty gold-tassel-fringed shade atop a full set of whiskers. Excellent idea. We'll take two.  ;D




What do you think of:
Jeannette has lots of inserts at the beginning. Transcribing them is not required, but they can be irritating. You may prefer to come back in a week or two.  I think this hits the mark exactly..thank you

All done, Cap'n Joan ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 14 November 2012, 15:10:56
Thank'ee kindly Number One!  ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 14 November 2012, 15:14:30
Ummm...the 25 hour boat

There's a weather entry against 'PM' plus 24 hourly weather readings.  Please could the good scientists indicate how I might deal with this weird situation?  Thanks in advance!

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_012_0.jpg
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 November 2012, 16:03:10
I'll ask Philip.
They seem to do it for about 2 weeks and then they stop. The problem is that they ditto from it!
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 14 November 2012, 16:32:23
and
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_020_0.jpg


List of Stores on board Jeannette.
Navigation Outfit               
Col 1 Col 2 Col 3 Col 4
6 box chronometers2 mercurial barometers1 lead line reel1 Letter Press
3 transporting cases3 aneroid barometers3 scratch blacks1/4 lb. red linen thread
2 triple class boxes3 hydrometers6 lbs. awning1/4 lb. blue linen thread
3 comparing watches6 log books4 log chips12 shts. blotting paper
3 liquid compasses 7 1/2"30 grs. log paper2 time glasses 14"31 box pens
6 boat-liq. comp.6 Chro.comp.books1 time glass 281 comp. Dev. & Comp.
1 Azimuth Circle2 time & position books20 lbs. log line5 Rodgers Dev. cards
4 Superior sextants1 dbl burner lamp2 order books1 Reported Dangers N.P.
1 night octant1 sing'l burner lamp6 mem. books1 Vancouver Isl'd Pilot
6 artificial horizons6 Store room lanterns10 sheets D.E. paper2 lists Foreign L'ts
1 Superior spy glass18 hand lantern10 yds tracing muslin1 Alaska Directory
1 Superior binocular2 sets Army Signals1 Gunters scale1 Pacific Coast Dir.
2 ord. binocular2 Am. Ensign. 10'3 doz. black lead pencils1 Gen.Ex. N.P.
40 lbs. Sig. halliards1 Am. Ensign. 12'1/2 doz. blue lead pencils1 N.P.PIlot (Parts I & II)
12 spare lamp chimneys1 narrow pennant 20'1/2 doz. red lead pencils1 N.P. Directory
2 spare lamp shades1 narrow pennant 9'2 fog horns3 Casrella-Miller Thrs.
2 spare lamp globes4 narrow pennant 6'1 pr. dividers1 Rain guage
6 gr. ~ wick1 Union Jack No.711 spare lantern shades1 Colby's Horizon In.
32lbs spind~ wick1 Union Jack No.81 tripod for Azimuth12 deflecting bars
2 lamp feeders1 deck trumpet3 thermometers6 deck magnets
2 trimming scissors5 yds red bunting 18"300 candles (running Lts.)1 Standard measure
4 horn lamterns5 yds blue bunting 18"2 cases for Psychrometers2 Bliss. Taffrail logs
12 horn lanterns shades5 yds white bunting 18"Charts Portfolio 21 Gradienter
3 hand leads 7 lbs.2.5 yds yellow bunting 18"Pacific 629 to 705 in. sx 6531 Pocket compass
2 hand leads 9 lbs.10 yds RavensCharts Port. No.42 Prismatic comp.
1 deep sea lead 80 lbs.5 yds white muslin  (25 to 60 inclusive)1 Pocket Sextant
1 deep sea lead 100 lbs.3 yds Sandi cupsCharts Part. No. 5 (526.527.528.529)2 Current meters
6 hand lead lines1 Coasting line 32 lb.Charts Port. No. 9 (579 to 1040 in.)1 Pocket Prismatic Circle
               
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 14 November 2012, 19:34:27
Ummm...the 25 hour boat

There's a weather entry against 'PM' plus 24 hourly weather readings.  Please could the good scientists indicate how I might deal with this weird situation?  Thanks in advance!

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_012_0.jpg

My instinct, they want TWYS so do so.  List that one as Hour "PM". ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 14 November 2012, 19:45:43
Ummm...the 25 hour boat

There's a weather entry against 'PM' plus 24 hourly weather readings.  Please could the good scientists indicate how I might deal with this weird situation?  Thanks in advance!

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_012_0.jpg

My instinct, they want TWYS so do so.  List that one as Hour "PM". ;D

That's comforting Janet - 'cos that's exactly what I've done. The readings are not those of 12 or 1 o'clock so they must be something...it's strange though to be sure ;)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 14 November 2012, 19:48:53
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_013_1.jpg

Navigation outfit Col 5Navigation Outfit Col 6Ordnance Col 1Ordnance Col 2
12 Rubber blankets1 Argus Chro.6 Rem. Revolvers10 Tower Rifles
12 Canteens1 Hall Chro12 Rem. Rifles & sp.parts10 Muzzle loading rifles
2 Side guages1 Sextant6 Revolver Cart. Boxes6 Vaughn Revolvers
1 mosquito Bar1 Course Indicator6 Revolver frogs500 VAughn cartridges
10 Knapsacks1 Aneroid Barometer12 Rifle Cart. Boxes500 Tower cartridges
1 Anemometer1 Mercurial Baromoeter18 Waist belts500 muzzle cartridges
1 Dip Circle1 Spyglass2 Padlocks & keys500 percussion caps
1 Zenith Telescope and stand1 Binocular1 Copper funnel1 Brassgun & carriage
1 Morse Register1 Port Charts. 2 loose charts1 powder measure2 whale guns
1 Alaska Coast Patrol3 thermometers1lb match rope6 kegs (150lbs) Powder (Blasting)
1 Behring's Sea Dir.1 Walker's Pat Log.1 D.E. machine1 kegs (50lb) Rifle Pow'd
1 Adm. Arc, Papers 18752 time glasses 14s"20 Boarding Pikes6 bullet moulds
1 Buchan's Meteorology1 clock20 Boarding guards
1 Loomes Meteorology250 gals sperm oil250 Magazine candles
1 Guyat's tabels7000 Rifle Cartridges
2 hand leads 11lb3000 Revolver cartridges
1 hand leads 7lb2000 S.R. Cartridges
2 hand leads 15 & 306000 shot gun cartridges
1 hand lead line2500 Winchester cartridges
1 deepsea lead line5000 USMC Shells
1 masthead light15000 wads No. 12
2 side lights2000 wads No. 10
2 bull's eye lanterns5000 Percussion Caps
1 Copperglobe lantern3 Winchester Rifles
1 French Mod. lamp4 D.B. Shotguns
8 small hand lamps2 shotguns & S.R.
2 binnacles470lbs shot
1 standard binnacle50 lbs shot
               

OK - thousands of rounds of cartridges...and a butter mould. Hmmmm....whatever will we find in the galley?  Thanks Randi - it was bullet moulds
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 November 2012, 20:01:16
Er, maybe bullet moulds ?
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 14 November 2012, 20:21:30
Er, maybe bullet moulds ?
It's good to know in advance, where the British 't' is crossed after the fact, the American 't' starts being crossed way too early.  Makes reading easier. :)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 14 November 2012, 20:48:59
I think I'm going mad - but perhaps not. The insert pages overlay record of misc event pages - but I can't see those rmep pages and the dates - just the inserts.

e.g. this sequence:  The non-weather pages all overlay the 26th June (watch for the word Coppersmith bottom right of the real page

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_012_1.jpg (navigation outfit)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_013_0.jpg (weather)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_013_1.jpg  (navigation outfit)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_014_0.jpg  (weather)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_014_1.jpg  (Engineer's stores)
this continues until page:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_025_1.jpg

when the record of misc events page finally moves on one day to the 27th June. But by then the weather pages must be way out..I guess this doesn't matter too much, but it's not helpful if you're working out if a weather comment is in addition to the matching weather code page. The weather pages above should not have been scanned until the additional pages have run out.
All seems a bit odd..as I say - it won't put the scientists out - but it's not helpful to us.   :( ::)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 14 November 2012, 20:55:08
Er, maybe bullet moulds ?
It's good to know in advance, where the British 't' is crossed after the fact, the American 't' starts being crossed way too early.  Makes reading easier. :)

I have a very distant memory about explosives being termed as butters - and there is plenty of black powder on board. It's very distant though.

Interesting about the 't' Janet...DeLong/the log keeper's writing is certainly very stylized in parts - but not consistent. Love the super-curly capital 's'.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 14 November 2012, 22:08:23
I think I'm going mad - but perhaps not. The insert pages overlay record of misc event pages - but I can't see those rmep pages and the dates - just the inserts.

e.g. this sequence:  The non-weather pages all overlay the 26th June (watch for the word Coppersmith bottom right of the real page

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_012_1.jpg (navigation outfit)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_013_0.jpg (weather)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_013_1.jpg  (navigation outfit)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_014_0.jpg  (weather)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_014_1.jpg  (Engineer's stores)
this continues until page:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_025_1.jpg

when the record of misc events page finally moves on one day to the 27th June. But by then the weather pages must be way out..I guess this doesn't matter too much, but it's not helpful if you're working out if a weather comment is in addition to the matching weather code page. The weather pages above should not have been scanned until the additional pages have run out.
All seems a bit odd..as I say - it won't put the scientists out - but it's not helpful to us.   :( ::)

The weather pages all exact repeats.  The scanner can only focus on the 2 page butterfly layout of the book, so everytime the scanner flipped to another page of inventory, the weather page automatically repeated.  Just remember every xxx_0.jpg and xxx_1.jpg are a single photograph that has been cut in half by the computer.  Every single page with "Coppersmith" must be paired with the same weather.  Physically impossible to do anything else.

Just look at the identical flourishes in the heading, and numbers on the first line:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_013_0.jpg
thru
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_019_0.jpg


I've got to say, a 12 page inventory has to be one of a kind!  And then the comments on the "Coppersmith" page get sliced!
Here's the June 26th page assembled:
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 15 November 2012, 04:43:07
Oh no - fetch my hat - I'll eat that just before I settle down to some humble pie. I didn't spot that the weather pages were the same.
(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/embarrassed/shy-whistler.gif) (http://www.sherv.net/shy-emoticon-1021.html)
I better check the weather pages that I did - and cancel one.  Tra la la la  - nothing is ever that simple.

Oh - and a big extra Thank You, Janet, for putting that page together!

I had a brief look through the inventory - and (I used to work in a hospital in Accident and Emergency) wound up at the Surgeon's stores - grim grim grim grim including 6 cupping glasses. I nearly fainted. However - it seems to also include 36 gallons of whisky.  ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: philip.brohan on 15 November 2012, 05:50:37
This is tremendous, thank you. Their calibration process is a bit eccentric - almost as if they are learning how to do it as they are going, but at least they are calibrating them and are saying what they are doing.

Barometer changes and CORRECTIONS required to balance readings:

Description of the Instruments used in making the
Meteorological Observations recorded in the columns of the Log Book.

Barometer
The standard was a Mercurial Barometer made by Adie,
London, No. 1231, and was placed in the
State-room of the Commanding Officer.
 For convenience of observation a Holosteric Aneroid Barometer
made by T.S. & J.D. Negus, New York (without numbers) was placed
in the open air on the outside of the Cabin bulkhead and
remained there from June 25th to 4.30 PM September 25th 1879.
The entries in the Log Book between these dates are readings
of this Baromoeter: and a general correction of one tenth of
an inch (0.1") subtractive must be applied to these to make
them agree with the Standard Mercurial at similar tempera
tures.
 At 4.30 PM September 25th - 1879, the said Aneroid was
moved to within the Cabin, and set by comparison with
Mercurial Standard to a reading reduced to a temperature of
32 degrees Fahrenheit.
 At 2 PM September 27th - 1879 it was set to comparison
with Mercurial Standard to a reading reduced to a tempera
ture of 46 degrees Fahrenheit. The reading of this Aneroid was
discontinued at midnight October 31st - 1879.
 From 1 AM November 1st 1879 to Midnight January 9th 1880
the readings for the Log were made from Aneroid Barometer
No. 28051 which had been set by comparison with Mercurial
Standard to a reading reduced to 32 degrees Fahrenheit.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 15 November 2012, 09:53:14
Ummm...the 25 hour boat

There's a weather entry against 'PM' plus 24 hourly weather readings.  Please could the good scientists indicate how I might deal with this weird situation?  Thanks in advance!

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_012_0.jpg

My instinct, they want TWYS so do so.  List that one as Hour "PM". ;D

That's comforting Janet - 'cos that's exactly what I've done. The readings are not those of 12 or 1 o'clock so they must be something...it's strange though to be sure ;)



I'm utterly baffled - no idea what's going on. So all I can suggest is transcribe it and hope we can figure it out when the data become available.

To stop my software getting confused, please make doubly certain to include the hour column in all the weather observations on such pages (I suggest putting 'PM' in the hour column for the anomalous ob). Then we will get all the conventional hourly observations at the correct times, and may eventually figure out what's going on with the odd one.

Thanks, Philip
;D ;D ;D

Perhaps though, the ditto should be written out for 1pm ?
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 15 November 2012, 10:19:18
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Engineer's stores col1Engineer's stores col2Engineer's stores col3Engineer's stores col4
1 Balance Spring1 Bulls eye lamp50lb iron, flat 0.75"x4"18lb square steel 1"
1 Iron beck6 box lamps82lb iron, flat 0.75"x2"10lb square steel 0.75"
1 hand bellows25lb sperm candles82lb iron, flat 0.5"x3"6lb square steel 0.5"
1 Forge12lbs concentrated lye54lb iron, flat 0.5"x2"1lb Copper tacks
3 iron blocks23lbs Copper bolt 1"18lb iron, flat 0.25"x2"100lb tallow
12 flat chisels9lbs Copper bolt 0.75"47lb iron, flat sq.1"6 ord thermometers
3 Callipers6lb Copper bolt 0.5"32lb iron, flat sq.0.75"12 thers for salinom.
12 cape chisels15lb Copper bolt 1.25" drifts9lb iron, flat sq. 0.5"24 sheets tin
2 Coal mauls62lb copper sheet34lb iron, flat Sq. r'd 0.5"10lb black tin
1 Compasses1lb Ground Emery38lb iron, flat Sq. r'd 1"25ft rubbertubing 9/16"
1 Pipe wrench0.5in Emery cloth16ft Pipe iron 0.75"50lb iron washers
2 screw drivers6 sq bastard files30 nipples. 30 plugs200lb cotton waste
2 ratchets24 flat bastard files30 elbows. 30 unoins5lb iron wire
1 crank drill24.25 flat bastard files30 Tees5lb copper wire
24 drills6 round bastard files5lb Plumbago~5lb brass wire
3 Prossers Ex. 2 1/2"3 tri saw files10lb iron rivets3gr ~screws
1 Mounted Grindstone1 set firing tools2lb Copper rivets0.5lb worsted zephyr
1 Hack Saw41lb sheet gum 0.5"10lb rosin1 wooden snatch block
6 Saw Blades60lb sheet gum 0.25"2lb rotten stone6 doormats 1 ladle
2 Chipping hammers40lb sheet gum 0.3"6 sail needles500 gals sperm oil
3 Chipping hammers30lb sheet gum 0.12"5lb sal ammoniac25 official envelopes
1 Hatchet17lb sheet gum 1/16"0.5lb sewing twine5 qrs paper
1 metal hydrometer0.25lb ground glass12 steel shovels6 gun~ loops
50ft hose 2.5"6 hammer handles22lb flat steel 1"x1.5"1 piece india ink
50ft hose 1"12 hydrometers22lb octagon steel 1.25"2pts black ink
1 Hose pipe6 lamp shades20lb flat steel 1"1 bot. carmine ink
1 hydraulic jack 10 tons1 Indicator cord10lb flat steel 0.5"1 bot. mucilage
2 jack screws70lb flat iron 1x45lb flat steel 0.5"6 sts~ Drawing paper
               
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 15 November 2012, 10:21:05
Ummm...the 25 hour boat

There's a weather entry against 'PM' plus 24 hourly weather readings.  Please could the good scientists indicate how I might deal with this weird situation?  Thanks in advance!

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_012_0.jpg

My instinct, they want TWYS so do so.  List that one as Hour "PM". ;D

That's comforting Janet - 'cos that's exactly what I've done. The readings are not those of 12 or 1 o'clock so they must be something...it's strange though to be sure ;)



I'm utterly baffled - no idea what's going on. So all I can suggest is transcribe it and hope we can figure it out when the data become available.

To stop my software getting confused, please make doubly certain to include the hour column in all the weather observations on such pages (I suggest putting 'PM' in the hour column for the anomalous ob). Then we will get all the conventional hourly observations at the correct times, and may eventually figure out what's going on with the odd one.

Thanks, Philip
;D ;D ;D

Perhaps though, the ditto should be written out for 1pm ?

good point Randi - it can't hurt and could be useful. If this does stop a few pages in then it's not a great problem anyway.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 15 November 2012, 13:39:52
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Engineer's stores col5Engineer's stores col6Engineer's stores col7Engineer's stores col8
6 sheets blottng paper24 hand lanterns6 Packing hooks12 scrub brushes
2 qrs. foolscap42lb lead pipe6 screw hooks6 white wash brushes
2 qrs letter paper65 lb sheet lead2 pipe wrenches20 yds hemp canvas
2 qrs note paper10 lb marline1 pr pliers1 Engine & boiler
1 gr paper fastners10 lb nails1 set reamers  for steam launch
1 dry pen holders2lbs Bellows nails1 screw punch1 bag pipes for same
1 dry lead& 1 doz slate pencils12 squirt cans1 sewing palm2 bxs taps & dies
4 log slates6 oil feeders1 pr Timmans shears1 hand saw
1 Ve~k book 2qr.12lbs hemp packing1 pr hand shears12 blades for slice bars
12 drawing tacks10 lbs cotton packing1 shoe knife1 tallow kettle
1 nest ink saucers50 lbs tucks packing4 iron sledges1 ratchet brace
1 gunters scale10 lb Seldens packing2 soldering irons3 oil measures
1200 indicator cards1/2gr sandpaper1 kettle tallow12 drills
2 log books50lb black paint1 bung borer2 coal hammers
2 ink stands4 gal red paint1 screwplate & tape5 Cape & Cold chisels
25 lb round iron0.5 gal papan (American)1 set gas stocks , taps +c.361 spanners
25 lb round iron100lbs red lead1 bench vise5 packing screws
15 lb round iron100lbs white lead1 hand vise18 box spanners
7 lb round iron20 lb litharge lead2 hose spanners6 caulking irons
7 lb round iron10 gal turpentine6 screw wrenches1 oil syringe
28 lb sheet iron16ft iron pipe 1.5"12 glass tubes3 oil punches
142 lb sheet iron16 ft iron pipe 1.25"4 oz hydrochloric acid1 piece iron 4x1.25
227 lb sheet iron16ft iron pipe 1"20 gals asphaltine1 pr cutting shears
214 lb sheet iron1 lamp trimmers20lbs anti-att metal1 piece sheet rubber
10lb ~swicking1 oil funnel60lbs bolts & nuts (ass't)1  anvil
1 set pipe tape2 funnels1lb borax0.5 bar steel
12 globe lanterns1 set measure12 Bristol bricks6 prs tongs
12 bunker lanterns1 brass syringe12 Cornbrooms2 screw janks~
2 Soldering Irons
3 shovels
1 Salinometer
1 lot rubber packing
3 pieces sheet brass
4 spare blades for propeller
1 copper hammer
3 canvas buckets
1 lot lamp wick
1 steel yard
1 piece rubber 0.5"
8 pieces rubber 0.5" 10x9
               
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 15 November 2012, 14:48:38
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Engineer's stores col9Engineer's stores col10Engineer's stores col11Engineer's stores col12
1 manilla towline 5" 694lbs4 serving boards2 copper hose pipes12lbs cotton & 15lbs flax twine
6 chain hooks1 serving mallet1 set stencils (complete)1 pr 10" shears
1 anchor, stock 500+150=65015 sail needles15 ~squilgees 6 axes20 mattresses 20 covers
1 junk axe1 pr cutting nippers1 young's galley(complete)20 pillows
12 clamp & shand brushes1 pr pliers (for wire)1 cleaver 1 griddle9 doz loops 6p.india ink
2 tar brushes1 2ft rule2 copper & 2 iron tea kettles4 pts black ink. 3 pen knives
10 hickory brooms12 scrapers1 gridiron & 2 ladles3 mucilage. 63 D. paper
1 silver call1 steel saw3 bake & 3 frying pans3 bx P fastners. 111 s. blotting paper
30lbs Hemp cord'g 6th.15lbs Seine~ twine6 stew pans & 2 pokers2 doz penholders. 0.5 rm letter paper
30lbs Hemp cord'g 9th.4lbs whipping twine1 iron pot & 2 shovels3 gr. steel pens 1gr Reg paper
60lbs Hemp cord'g 12"4lbs sewing twine2 iron spoons & 2 tongs3 flat rulers. 3 porc~ slates
70lbs Hemp cord'g 15"12 thimbles2 tinder boxes, flint &co96 red tape. 9 Eq. invoice
70lbs Hemp cord'g 18"12lbs tallow2 tormentors~, 2 waffle irons1 conduct & 1 liberty book
60lbs Hemp cord'g 1.75in0.5 bbl tar2 fish. 1 scouse kettle3 doz red & blue pencils
70lbs Hemp cord'g 2"1 tank for tar2 36.5 tons Coal (Anc.)10 bd'ls official envelopes
210lb lanyard stuff 3.25"1 tapeline0.5 ton black "~ coal1 set-Yeo. acc't books
70lb Vyome~ spun yarn6 brad & 2 wire awls1 sack charcoal12 monthly returns
50lb marline6 belaying pins32 campstools 9lbs beeswax1 balance or scale
50lb hambroline3 dust brushes50 clothes bags. 60 coal bags3 pieces india rubber
9 toggle irons12 bath bricks233 yds flax canvas Nos. 3.6.7.8.1 vial red ink
1 hack saw8 white wash brushes1 Commander 2 fids.52lbs hemp  rope 3.5" 4 st.
24 hooks & thimbles16 candle timer~150 y'ds old canvas10lbs hemp rope 3.5" 3 st.
200 fish hooks1 fire extinguisher2 sailhooks. 2 knives97lbs hemp rope 3.25" 4 st.
350lbs junk16 charges extinguisher1 measuring line. 1 jackass161lbs hemp rope 3" 4 st.
25 fishing lines1 conductor point47 needles (assorted)31lbs hemp rope 2.75" 4 st.
1 Grams~1 side pump leather16 palms (assorted)71lbs hemp rope 2.5" 4 st.
2 Hides (4 sides)100ft force pump hose3 prickers. 1 y'd stick10lbs hemp rope 2.25" 3 st.
10 marline spikes2 spanners140 f'th Boltrope (ass't)9 ~man books 2 P. folders
               


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2 waffle irons - yummmmm
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 15 November 2012, 20:04:44
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Equipment stores col1Equipment stores col2Equipment stores col3Equipment stores col4
32lbs 2" Hemp rope 3st.2 upholster's twine - 2lbs1 old side ladder3 whale spears
97lbs Ratline stuff (18 & 15th)4 toggles 2", 8 iron rings1 box ink. 1 bx cutlery3 davit cleats
48lbs serging (9 & 6th)2 gr. Mat. tufts. 1.5lbs fish lines2 bark crocking2 spare bollards
92lb marline 2 sides leather1 roll mat. binding. 64 Coal bag4 sledges. 2 Ice saws2 spare axe handles
6 yds Flax canvas No.710 Clue irons. 30 hammocks1 box zinc trays20 round battens
3lbs Sewing Twine37 thimbles. 100 y'd H. Duck1 cross cut saw1 basket scales ~
118lbs 4" Manila rope2.5 sides Bellows leather1 pit saw1 hemp towline 3.5"
174lbs 2.75" manila rope88 eyelet-grommets 1"1 sledge cooking stove1 gross hawser 5"
46lbs 3.25" manila rope12 0.5" eyelet-grommets1 bx old fishing lines1 gross hawser 4"
235lbs 3" manila rope20 1 5/16th" eyelet-grommets6 life buoys 10 rowlocks1 tin tar oil
882lbs 2.75"manila rope27lbs cod-line1 ship's bell 4 squilgees2 bbls lime
482lbs 2.5" manila rope3 grapnels.3 s'ks charcoal1 lot old stove pipe1 jar chlor. lime
415lbs 2.25" manila rope3 cord pine wood1 bag with glue2 cork fenders
173lbs 2" manila rope12 harpoons. 6 Ice claws1 iron tank. 1 meat safe2 chain stoppers
65lbs 1.75" manila rope1 ice drill. 1 ice gouge1 gangway ladder2 sets manila wheel ropes
32lbs 1.5" manila rope2 choppers. 2 slicers2 gangway stanchions2 watch tackles
10lbs white marline2 whale knives & 7 lances2 anchor ports1 jackass
280yds cot.can. (Nos. 1.5.6)3 ice chisels. 3 pick axes12 spare oars1 suit stoned sails~
103 yds cot.can. (8oz)1 pr whale bbl slings2 harness casks2 topsails
226yds hammock duck1 pr T slings1 wooden davit1 jib. 1 spanker
18 yds bag duck6 boat anchors2 sets saw legs1 Forecastle awning
96 yds light ravens~3 iron tanks2 sets harness casks1 Q'r D'k awning
1594yds Flax canvas (No 2.3.4.5.6.)1 bag rosin2 spare T. G. yards1 Suit boat sails
358lbs boltrope (3.25" to 1.25")6 sieves1 bx Pat. kindling2 new topsails
84lbs Manila (2" to 9th)2 wheel standards16 tent poles. 4 tents1 skylight cover
46lbs Cotton twine. 17lbs beeswax1 spare wheel19 sledge battens4 new T.G sails
3lbs 3/8ths" hempline. 3lb houseline3 dead light plugs1 lot cooking utensils1 new outer jib
10 lbs wh.marline. 0.5 W. lin thread4 awning stanchions1 large ice pick1 new jib
2 hood rods
1 flagstaff
1 Stand awn stanchion
[Ed's Note: last 4 items for steam launch]
               
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 16 November 2012, 13:06:14
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Equipment stores col5Naturalists stores col2Scientific Outfit col2Scientific Books
1 new sq foresail1lb copper wire (annealed)2 glass jars for hydrometersjohnson's Cyclopaedia
1 new boomd~ foresail0.5lb brass wire (annealed)3 cold bulb thersBlazano's Storms
1 new boomd mainsail6lb iron wire (assorted)3 Chro watchesFlint. Human Physiology
1 new spanker1lb sponges 2 gr. Corks2 pluriometersDall's Alasks
1 new fore topm. staysail50 yds cotton sheeting1 Transit Theod. &c.Coves American Birds
4 boat covers2 tin & 1 glass funnel1 Reflecting circleUS Dispensatory
1 hoisting engine cover100 bottles (4&2 oz.)4 Specimen water bottlesEllis' Med. Formulary
2 new tents50lb cotton batten7 deep sea thers.Hygiene
Naturalists Outfit400lb Indian meal4 Aneroid barAnalysis of Urine
2m~ ship tags. 1gr Quill pens1 bbl calcined plaster1 pocket spectroscopeRinger's therapeutics
12 penholders. 3 D Pencils100 fruit jars3 sets pocket ThersRoscoe's El. Chemistry
1 bx D pens.  6 papers pens50lbs Arsenic4 aneroid bar.Rech's Ocean
2m Naturalists pens. 2 Syringes3lbs picric acid1 pocket spectroscopeManual of Mollusca
50 sheets cork. 2 gr vials5lb salsylic acid3 sets pocket thersBrocas Human Hybridity
20 sheets parchment. 2 whetstones1lb chloroform6 holders for vac thersChauvenet's Sp P. Asst
12 bradawls. 12 Surgeon's needles2lb glycerine12 holders for merc. ThersPeschels Races of Man
12 s.blk thread. 12 s. wht thread1lb Cyanide potass12 holders for min thersGerkin's Ice Age
6 papers needles. 18 sable brushes1gal sulp. acid4 pocket anemometersBancroft's Native
6 paint or sash brushes. 10 ScissorsScientific Outfit6 sigshee's cups   Races. Pacific Coast
2 steel scrapers. 2 tape measures1 pendulum (complete)1 large anemometerSurgeon's outfit
2 ebony scalpels. 2 forceps1 transit (complete)25 mer thermometers8 oz acacia pulvis.
2 B. files. 50 lbs tow.1 Zenith Tel. (complete)20 min thermometers8 oz acid acetum
1 marking pat. 2  brushes & ink1 magnetomer.1 Daniel's hydrometer4 oz Carbol. Crye~
1 qr. D. paper. 40lb manila paper1 Small clip circle6 small stands3 oz Carbol imp.
0.5in. large shelf paper.1 Ozomometer.Photographic 8 oz Acid. Cit.
50 slats Bristol board 22x283 Ther. For. Ter. Rad.30 doz dry plates16 oz acid mur.
25 slats Bristol board medium3 B.B. Thers in vacuo1 camera16 oz acid nit.
3lb, iron wire (annealed)3 hydrometers1 complete outfit Chemicals
1 incomplete outfit chemicals
1 incomplete outfit small apparatus
1 complete apparatus
2 doz dry plates
1 camera (old)
               


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jil looked into the Chauvenet's book and discovered  William Chauvenet's  Spherical and Practical Astronomy. It does look like 'Sq' on the page - but forgiving perhaps hurried writing this seems to be the tome referred to:
http://books.google.co.uk/books/about/A_Manual_of_Spherical_and_Practical_Astr.html?id=6JlzJHd15vQC&redir_esc=y
There will be a test on OCCULTATIONS OF PLANETS next Thursday (only joking!)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 16 November 2012, 15:01:03
Surgical do-dads on this page - you've been warned!

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Surgeon's Store's & c. col2Surgeon's Store's & c. col3Surgeon's Store's & c. col4Surgical Instruments col2
16oz acid sulphur4 oz Cupric Sulphas.16 oz potass.bitart1 pocket case
4oz acid salisyl.4 oz digitalis tinctura80 oz Et soda tart.1 urinary case
4oz acid tan.4 oz ergotae ext fluid4 oz permanganas.6 cupping glasses
12oz Aconiti rad16 oz ferri chloride tinc.16 oz potassi iodidum1 Pal. battery
32oz acid adipes cerat. ben8 oz ferri sulph liq.8 oz potass bromidum2 thumb lancets
16oz acid Oether 10oz Aloe4 oz glycerigae ext16 oz pruni~ring ext. fluid1 razor. 1 strop
8 oz Oethers spir. comp32 oz Glycerinea8 oz Quinae sulphas.1 microscope
48 oz alumen2 oz gentianae ext.16 oz Resinae ceratum2 p rubber syringes
48 oz aqua am.8 oz Hydrag. chlor. unte~4 oz Rhei. ext. fluid1 spec anal
4 oz Am. Carbonas.8 ox iodinium64 oz saponisliminatum1 spec aural
4 oz am. Chloridum4 oz hydrag. pilul.8 oz scillae syrupus.1 urinometer
1 oz Antimonial potass tart2 oz Idoform~8 oz senegoe ext fliud2 hypodermic syr.
1 oz argentic nitras8 oz Ippecacuana. Ex. flu.4 oz simapis~ pulvis1 self adj. syringe
1 oz argentic fusa16 oz Ippecacuana pul. comp32 oz bicarb sodii4 sets clinical ther.
8 oz arnical rad. ext.flu.1 oz Jalapae ext. 64 oz sodae chlor. liq2 field & 2 screw tourniquets
1 dr. attropae sulphas10 lbs lime juice~16 oz sulphurSurgical appliances
10 oz belladonna ext.alc128 oz sulphate of magnesia8 pts terebinth oleum6 suspension bandages
8 oz Bizmuth sub carb1 oz menth. pip. el.1 oz tiglii oleum3 binders boards
8 oz Camphora4dr. morphia sulphas.80 oz vaseline2 buckskins. 3lb cotton batten
2 oz Cantharidis tinct12 pts morrhax~ oleum8 oz zinci carb proecip.5lbs gypsum. 5lb lint
16 oz caprici ext. fluid8 oz myrrh2 oz zinci sulphur0.5 oz ligature silk
16 oz chlor purificat.8  oz opei pulvis.16 oz tinc. Kramina~3 yds ligature wire
8 oz chlor hydras.1 oz uncio vomicae ex. fluidSurgical Instruments6 yds oiled muslin
16 oz Chinchona ex.f comp.2 lbs opei tinctura1 aspirator, 1 atomizer2 sets needles. thimbles &c.
4 oz Colchini Sem ext. flui.8 oz pilul cath. comp.10 p bougie . 10 p catheter12 hair pencils. 20 yds ad. plant~
4 oz Colodian8 oz Plumbi acetas.1 dental case 1 Eye & earcase1lb bath sponge. 2 Isinglass plant~
4 oz Colocynth0.5 podophyl resina1 ex. and boat~ case0.5 lb surgical sponge 0.25 lb Yel. wax
8 oz Creta preparta.4 oz potass. arsenet liq.1 general op case1 tape line
8 oz potass. bicarb.6 pieces tape
               
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 16 November 2012, 16:14:29
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Surgical Stores               
~ apparatus stand1lbs glass tubingMiscellaneous Stores1 rubber sponge
~ apparatus atmospheric0.25lb twine29 yds tracing cloth50 Copperrecord cyl.
~ gr bottles & 1 gr. veal corks4 doz assorted vials1 three leg dividers4 cards Crowquill pens
~ cork screw & cork extractorHospital Furniture12 sticks India inkSet sketch blocks
~ glass and 1 gutta percha funnel2 bed pans24 rubber erasersChina white and
~ nutmeg grater. 1 Acessory~ lamp2 feeding cups24 drawing pencils  wash pencils
~ bot. red litmus paper.4 medicine spoons24 camel's hair brushes1 lot carpenter's tools
~ bot blue litmus paper2 tumblers2 box water colours1 Crow's nest
~ glass measure 8 oz2 glass urinals4 parallel rulers1 melodeon~
~ glass measure 4 0z2 wine glasses6 Brass dividers12 cabin chairs
~ glass measure 2 ozStationary6 qts David's ink5 stoves (complete)
~ glass measure 1 oz2 medical journals6 qts Stephen's ink1 cabin mess outfit
~ glass measure 1 dr2 bat. mucilage12 bot. red ink.1 forecastle mess outfit
mortar and pestle, glass0.25qr blotting paper6 safety ink stands2 doz snow knives
mortar & pestle Wedgewood4 qr filtering paper6 qts mucilage4 skinning knives
percolator1 penknife300 paper fastners1 cook knives
~ doz wood pill boxes1 portfolio2 T squares4 doz harness swivels
~ doz tile pill boxes1 ruler6 doz lead pencils6 basins.  6 slop jars
Apothecary's scaleMiscellaneous1 magnifier6 water cans
~ pre. scissors1 leather medical case1 case instruments1 ratchet bitt brace
~ sheepskins32 gal. whiskey1 copy Burts Solar Compass300 gals alcohol
~ spatula 6"30 gal brandy5 doz sheets linted paperAdditonal Surgeons Outfit
~ spatula 5"20 gal sherry3 bxs crayons 24.36.186 pts alcohol
~ spatula 4"20 gal ale2 triangles. 1 protractor1lbs Potass Chloras
~ spatula 3"20 gal porter1 dot pen. 4 offsetts18 pts brandy
~ spirit lamp48 gal extract of malt2 Nautical Almanacs 1879.188024 pts whiskey
~ test case10 gal rum50 ft metal tape18 pts sherry wine
~2 test tubes50 ft Payne's tape50lbs ferri suphas.
               



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"And don't forget to buy a crow's nest!"                ( They seem to have literally bought a hull with bare masts)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 16 November 2012, 18:20:35
This is the first time in my life I've seen the lists and lists of things needed to keep a smallish crew of men alive for a couple of years, in detail.  Absolutely astonishing!  And amazing transcription work!!!
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 16 November 2012, 19:37:32
It is truly fascinating to work on. The medical stuff was a real chill to the bones - though they have plenty of opiates on board for pain relief-   but 6 cupping glasses - oh dear. Interestingly no jar of leeches.

I had a chuckle about seeing sails bought...but when I found the crow's nest I laughed out loud.  I pictured going to the crow's nest sales room and asking to see the senior sales room attendant to make sure you get the best for your type of ship/adventure...feeling the quality, discussing the size, then discovering that they only have it in yellow and you much prefer blue.  Ah, shopping is never easy.
Not far from the end now! ::) ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 November 2012, 06:54:20
It is more like a detailed archaeological dig than a cultural description.  I can see folks interested in the details of 19th century life thinking your lists are worth their weight in gold, a century in our future. :)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 17 November 2012, 08:24:46
Page 10 of inventory is made up of two pages from the scans:
top: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_021_1.jpg
bulk: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_021_0.jpg

8 oz Ferri et qui citras.1400lb cornmeal60 lbs beets100 lbs dried apples
2 oz hydr. ox.flav.3000 lbs pilot bread300 lbs split peas50 lbs dried pears
1lb hydr victras ungt.3000 lbs  pork300 lbs rice920 lbs Lime juice (3 bbl~
3 Trusses2500 lbs roast beef100 lbs barley360 lbs S.W. evap
1 India rubber urinal2500 lbsroast mutton1500 lbs Rio Coffee25 lbs Essence coffee
12 Pipettes1000 lbs corned beef1000 lbs Java coffee50 lbs Ass't crackers
6 clamps for tubing1000 lbs beef soup50 lbs cocoa25 lbs mixed candies
1 box litmus paper250 lbs turkey3300 Ex C. sugar300 lbs ass't fruits
2 yds black silk250 lbs chicken550 lent loaf sugar100 lbs Rye flour
2 qr wrap paper100 lbs roast veal1000 Condensed milk200 lbs Graham flour
0.25 qr blotting paper100 lbs tongue1500lbs pickles. 5 Bbls~100 lbs Buckwheat
1 set weights100 lbs boneless ham1500 lbs vinegar (5Bbls)175 lbs Ground rice
124 bottle clasps100 lbs oxtail soup2100 lbs syrup (7bbls)20 lbs Farina
12 bottles Linct. pint125 lbs mock turtle soup600 lbs molasses (2 bbls)10 lbs Arrowroot
16 bottles Linct.0.5 pint1400 lbs oatmeal300 lbs salt20 lbs Pearl sago
4 bottles Linct. 4 pint900 lbs hominy160 lbs raisins30 lbs Corn Starch
12 bottles Saltmouth~ 1 pt800 lbs mutton soup500 lbs tea20 lbs tapioca
16 bottles Saltmouth~ 8 oz1000 lbs dessicated potatoes50 lbs gound ginger25 lbs vermicelli
15 bottles Saltmouth~ 4 oz2100 lbs tomatoes100 lbs mustard5 lbs ground cloves
1 old medicine chest500 lbs green corn70 lbs pepper10 lbs ground allspice
500 lbs succotash100 lbs cheese5 lbs ground cinnamon
250 lbs green peas10 lbs hops3 lbs ground mace
250 lbs turnips15 lbs yeast pow'd10 lbs citron
100 lbs onions160 lbs prunes100 lbs salmon
30 lbs pumpkin200 lbs apple butter100 lbs mackerel
100 lbs carrotts200 lbs Quince butter
200 lbs Peach butter
               
      
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I'm intrigued by 'hominy' - I've read recipes for it before - sounds weird - anyone ever eaten it please? same for succotash..we just don't have those over here in the UK
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 17 November 2012, 09:46:04
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_021_1.jpg  (right half of list - see prev mail for the small left section)
The final few entries per column are on this page:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_022_1.jpg

Inventory Page 11   (Provisions & c0. & Clothing)            
col1 col2 col3col4
~ lbs codfish50 lbs apples100 lbs haddock67 prs mitts
~00 lbs Finan Haddies50 lbs greengages100 lbs peaches12 Sou'westers
~50 lbs lobster50 lbs damsons6300 lbs pemmican50 prs drawers
~50 lbs spiced salmon25 lbs currant jelly1106 lbs Pemmican151 prs. woolen stockings
~50 lbs oysters25 lbs apple jelly200 lbs pork48 single blankets
~0 lbs clam chowder50 lbs cranberries1 half bbl vinegar4 Duffle coats
~0 lbs fish100 lbs nuts1 half bbl molasses1 pr Duffle pants
~0 lbs tripe10 lbs curry pow'd2 bxs Yellow soap (150lbs)25 prs Duffle boots
~0 lbs kidneys12 lbs capersClothing8 Duffle blankets
~0 lbs sardines12 lbs olive oil33 prs sea boots98 skull caps
~0 lbs sausage10 lbs yeast33 D. Blankets27 helmet caps
~5 lbs chicken soup5 lbs Saleratus20 lbs blk. lin. thread36 seal skin caps
~0 lbs dried peaches20 lbs triple extract20 lbs wht. lin. thread6 deer skin frocks
~0 lbs figs166 lbs stearine candles50 sp. sewing cotton18 whitw wool frocks
~0 lbs dates10 lbs pow'd herbs50 sp. black sewing silk24 seal skin mitts
~0 lbs okra1500 lbs medium beans40 p needles26 prs moccasins
~0 lbs string beans1400 lbs butter25 prs scissors13 comforters
~0 lbs lima beans10 lbs lemon peel3 doz fine combs4 rubber blankets
~0 lbs asparagus10 lbs orange peel3 doz course combs23 haversacks
~0 lbs strawberries1000 lbs mutton broth16 rubber water bottles9 leather jackets
~0 lbs raspberries400 lbs mutton soup16 rubber water bottles8 hammocks
~0 lbs lard50 lbs Hotch Potch33 oil skin suits1 bale white flannel
~0 lbs Pickled Cabbage100 lbs Pigsfeet18 Hard Times suits14 berth mattresses
~0 lbs assorted pickles1800 lbs Plug tobacco6 Hard Times ulsters1 lot old hammock mattresses
~0 lbs Olives100 lbs Smoking tobacco6 Hard Times Quilts1 lot old hammock pillows
~5 lbs Catsup400 lbs Chocolate5 prs Sat. trousers
~2 lbs Chutney600 lbs Cider vinegar (2 bbls)2 caps
~2  bot R. India Sauce70 lbs Pipes (300)10 cap ribbons
20 mock seal skin caps
   

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Perhaps an indicator that there were a fair few Chinese in San Fran.. the ketchup is still called catsup   . Loved the pigs feet, 300 smoking pipes, and the Hard Times suits!         
Let's just hope that the stearine candles were for lighting the galley rather than for cooking (after all-they had bought tallow candles for elsewhere - mmmm, yummy, bleargh!).
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 17 November 2012, 10:15:14
Keep an eye on those 2100 lbs of tomato. And by the way, did anyone see bottles of mercury (Hg) come on board? It could be for an 'artificial horizon' (navigation) or to fill barometers. In many published accounts from British ships one finds that someone ends up doing something silly with it - like boiling it on the cabin stove - which is why today our President sits at a desk made out of the HMS Resolute.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 November 2012, 10:28:26
Succotash

I know it as lima beans and corn.
You could buy it frozen in Pennsylvania in the sixties.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 17 November 2012, 10:39:10
Keep an eye on those 2100 lbs of tomato. And by the way, did anyone see bottles of mercury (Hg) come on board? It could be for an 'artificial horizon' (navigation) or to fill barometers. In many published accounts from British ships one finds that someone ends up doing something silly with it - like boiling it on the cabin stove - which is why today our President sits at a desk made out of the HMS Resolute.

 :o ;D I shouldn't laugh - but I did - lots.  And yes - there's a bottle of mercury on board! and a stove, and stove lighters, and kindling, and fuel and.... ::)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 17 November 2012, 10:40:49
Succotash

I know it as lima beans and corn.
You could buy it frozen in Pennsylvania in the sixties.
Hmmm..interesting - perhaps another tasty thing that's gone out of fashion..like pig's feet and tripe  :-\ :D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 November 2012, 10:50:25
Keep an eye on those 2100 lbs of tomato. And by the way, did anyone see bottles of mercury (Hg) come on board? It could be for an 'artificial horizon' (navigation) or to fill barometers. In many published accounts from British ships one finds that someone ends up doing something silly with it - like boiling it on the cabin stove - which is why today our President sits at a desk made out of the HMS Resolute.

 :o ;D I shouldn't laugh - but I did - lots.  And yes - there's a bottle of mercury on board! and a stove, and stove lighters, and kindling, and fuel and.... ::)

There seem to be a great many possibilities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_%28element%29#Historic_uses
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 November 2012, 10:57:41
I never heard that word growing up and didn't know what it was, but as soon as I saw the Wiki picture of a corn and kidney bean succotash, it felt like one of the layers of the casseroles that showed up at church potluck dinners.  Definitely comfort food.  (Lots of people don't like lima beans, potluck casseroles in the Chicago/Milwaukee area always used some kind of brown/black beans or peas.)

Hominy grits is the low tech no-refrigeration method of preserving corn (maize) for the winter by soaking in lye, a native American trick; it also breaks down the kernel skins so the corn is more easily digestible.  It has not caught on in the north, but when I can find it, it is delicious.  Very bland to the taste when without additives, one of those things that provides a nutritious base for a good cook to add flavoring to.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 17 November 2012, 11:06:44
Door knobs...they had to buy door knobs....
I can see the scene at the end of the High Street. The Quartermaster ticking off 12 pages of goods...."so that's 120lb pigs feet - tick, 6 hard times suits - tick, 300 pipes - tick, oh can somebody make sure these stay on top - door knobs - or we can't get into the boat anyway - great - mercury - tick - cooking stove - tick" etc etc etc
 ;D ;D ::) ::) ;D ;D


Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 17 November 2012, 11:11:54
I never heard that word growing up and didn't know what it was, but as soon as I saw the Wiki picture of a corn and kidney bean succotash, it felt like one of the layers of the casseroles that showed up at church potluck dinners.  Definitely comfort food.  (Lots of people don't like lima beans, potluck casseroles in the Chicago/Milwaukee area always used some kind of brown/black beans or peas.)

Hominy grits is the low tech no-refrigeration method of preserving corn (maize) for the winter by soaking in lye, a native American trick; it also breaks down the kernel skins so the corn is more easily digestible.  It has not caught on in the north, but when I can find it, it is delicious.  Very bland to the taste when without additives, one of those things that provides a nutritious base for a good cook to add flavoring to.

Gosh - thanks Janet.  Succotash sounds good - though I don't recall ever eating lima beans (can't get past the pleasures of rose-cocos and Asturian blacks) I should try sometime.  And the Hominy sounds like a native US version of polenta - just a different grain. Well - a new thing learnt today!  :D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 November 2012, 11:19:49
Polenta is mostly maize now, the Italians seem to be the only European country that adopted it as a import for peasant food.  How they cook it comes out differently than American versions, but the base flavor is the same.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 17 November 2012, 12:01:53
Oh no - fetch my hat - I'll eat that just before I settle down to some humble pie. I didn't spot that the weather pages were the same.
I better check the weather pages that I did - and cancel one.  Tra la la la  - nothing is ever that simple.

After transcribing the first appearance of the weather page, I'm going to ignore the repeats. Let me know if that's a problem.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 November 2012, 12:05:45
That is the correct way to handle it.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 17 November 2012, 12:31:27
Inventory Page 12 top section:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_023_1.jpg
bottom section:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_023_0.jpg


Inventory. Page 12  Construction and Repair               
col1 col2 col3col4
2 sets hatch battens1 Copper measure1 monkey wrench20 lbs litharge
4 copper funnels1 set socket guages8 ring bolts10 gals turpentine
1 sounding rod1 adze2 split boxes2 gals. Demar varnish
1 doz door knobs #21 set augers6 boat buckets30 lbs putty
1 doz door knobs #2.53 wood axes12 deck buckets50 lbs yellow ochre
1 broad axe1 set bitts1 brass cock20 lbs Venitian red
6 paint brushes6 chisel sockets2 wood axe handles1 bevel
2 varnish brushes1 compasses5 brass padlocks9 prs. drawer pull
2 seam brushes1 clawhammer3lbs Copper burrs1 Riveting hammer
6 cross cut files1 tack hammer6 sheets Copper1 Cooper's hammer
4 fine saw files1 glass cutter6 yds fearnaught1 set gimlets bitts
12 hand saw files6 gainlets6 airport lenses1 pr. cut nippers
2 rat tail files1 set Calking irons6 glass lights1 pr hand shears
1 half round file1 drawing knife2lbs glue
1 horsing iron1 glue kettle50 lbs sheet lead
1 putty knife1 oil stone200 lbs nails
1 pitch ladle12 Carpenter's pencils50 lbs copper nails
1 calking mallet2 nail punches10 lbs copper tacks
1 horsing mallet1 rasp200 lbs oakum
1 Carpenter's mallet1 compass saw50 shts sand paper
1 beading plane1 dovetail saw0.5 bbl Pitch
1 jack plane1 panel saw6 gr.screws
1 rabbit plane3 wood saw20 lbs iron spikes
1 smoothing plane2 saw setts100 lbs 10d. nails
1 wooden clamp screws1 steel square250 lbs white lead
1 screwdriver1 tool chest100 lbs black lead
1 measuring tape1 iron bench vise1 gal japan (drying) varnish
1 mess chest1 iron thumb vise20 gal linseed oil
               

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Fearnaught (n.) A stout woolen cloth of great thickness; dreadnaught; also, a warm garment.       
__________________________
"6 airport lenses" yes it does say 'airport'
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 November 2012, 12:42:02
Just saying, the Jack, Rabbit and Smoothing have dittos under xx plane, making them all planes.  And I can't put Jack and Rabbit together like that without laughing. ;D

Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 17 November 2012, 13:18:34
Just saying, the Jack, Rabbit and Smoothing have dittos under xx plane, making them all planes.  And I can't put Jack and Rabbit together like that without laughing. ;D

That's so funny  ;D - I didn't spot that one! I wonder if the list writer did it on purpose?  I do hope so.  :D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 17 November 2012, 14:14:46
Wooooohooooooo     Bar corrections (thanks to jil for those, & continuing) the lists are done.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_zN8g4K6kYbw/SStrvTUhThI/AAAAAAAAAR4/s8yLeXVNNC0/s1600/thumbs_up_smiley.gif)


THANK YOU to all for your help is setting Jeannette off on her adventures. 

Anyone still helping: just clear through any pages until you get to the first full weather page: looks like: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_025_0.jpg
The first 6 pages of weather have that awkward 'PM' reading before 1 PM. Please drop a note back here if you've done those pages because we can then take the light warning off her on the index page...thank you   Philip advises to enter the PM reading with 'PM' in the hour box, and Randi rightly suggested NOT to use dittos for the 1PM readings in case the 'PM' readings are of no use.

Script oddies to follow shortly.

And now for a cuppa ~ WHAT was the only thing missing off that list - yep - TEA!  Doh!  (http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/13049/DOH21.gif)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 November 2012, 14:39:54
IMPRESSIVE!

This is the page I currently get as a new transcriber:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_010_1.jpg
so it looks like it isn't quite ready for newbies.

Putting the PM note and script oddities here is fine, but they should probably go in the Reference topic too so they don't get buried ;)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 November 2012, 14:43:25
You have: "500 lbs tea"
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3338.msg56232;topicseen#msg56232)
(milk and sugar please ;))
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 17 November 2012, 15:19:27
There is a note at the top of the page (025): "ship lying between wind and tide" - a rather poetic turn of phrase that describes the sometimes uncomfortable situation when a ship won't tend easily to the anchor because the wind and current are crosswise. So, for example, you end up rolling scuppers under in the chop, but facing into the current. Makes sailors grumpy and landsmen boot (chunder?).
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 17 November 2012, 15:39:41
You have: "500 lbs tea"
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3338.msg56232;topicseen#msg56232)
(milk and sugar please ;))
HOW did I miss that? Well - there were a few other things on the list I suppose  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 17 November 2012, 15:53:42
There is a note at the top of the page (025): "ship lying between wind and tide" - a rather poetic turn of phrase that describes the sometimes uncomfortable situation when a ship won't tend easily to the anchor because the wind and current are crosswise. So, for example, you end up rolling scuppers under in the chop, but facing into the current. Makes sailors grumpy and landsmen boot (chunder?).

Hmmmm.   Do they pad the taffrail for situations like this? no? oh.... (http://images.zaazu.com/img/Controlling-Vomit-vomit-puke-sick-smiley-emoticon-000651-facebook.gif)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kathy on 17 November 2012, 23:47:25
Re hominy -

True hominy has no outside skin (hull)- after the corn is soaked in the lye solution, the skin comes completely off.  At this point, the hominy can been eaten - sauteed in butter, with some cooked bacon. You can buy canned hominy all over the South.  It can also be dried and coarsely ground - at that point, it is called grits, because of its texture.  As grits, hominy can be mixed with just about anything - cheese is a common additive.

Polenta is made from finely ground cornmeal. 

The taste is similar - the lye does alter the taste of the corn somewhat, but the texture is completely different.  Grits are like cream of wheat in texture.

I'm personally not a big fan - I think it is a texture thing, but just about everybody I grew up with had an old family recipe for fixing grits.  It is served mainly for breakfast and brunch.

Also, jarred pickled pigs' feet are readily available. (yuck!)



Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 18 November 2012, 07:12:28

Thanks for that Kathy - I'm a lot wiser now but, guess what, we don't have creamed wheat here  - I'm guessing that it's a bit like oat porridge.  If it exists the All American Cookbook would be one of the largest given so many country-contributors.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 18 November 2012, 09:38:23
If I'm right, your oat porridge is our oatmeal.  Cream of wheat is much whiter and finer in texture, and  blander in taste - my mom always put a big dab of butter on top, which we mixed in. It gave it some flavor.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 18 November 2012, 10:54:43
The food stores lists are surprisingly interesting - and much more diverse than I would have expected. I wonder how some things are preserved? Tinned, dried, salted... Is it segregated between the wardroom and the fo'c'sl (officers and ordinary sailors)? How does the fare compare to other ships on more regular government service? I don't think scurvy was a big problem on this voyage (though we may find out more as we go) whereas it was on the British Arctic Expedition just a few years before (1875-76).
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 18 November 2012, 12:05:26
The food stores lists are surprisingly interesting - and much more diverse than I would have expected. I wonder how some things are preserved? Tinned, dried, salted... Is it segregated between the wardroom and the fo'c'sl (officers and ordinary sailors)? How does the fare compare to other ships on more regular government service? I don't think scurvy was a big problem on this voyage (though we may find out more as we go) whereas it was on the British Arctic Expedition just a few years before (1875-76).

They weren't taking any chances:

Quote
10 lbs lime juice~
Clearly not fresh.  I'm guessing the '~' is some abbreviation of tinned or jarred.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 November 2012, 12:22:49
That was in Surgeon's Stores. http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_019_1.jpg
I wonder if it really says juice :-\

In Provisions. http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_021_0.jpg
Quote
920 lbs Lime juice (3 bbl~
:o
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 18 November 2012, 14:39:48
It is generally thought that lime juice alone was an effective cure back in the day but it was not. See here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scurvy

Quoting: "Indeed, a 1918 animal experiment using representative samples of the Navy and Merchant Marine's lime juice showed that it had virtually no antiscorbutic power at all."

Many polar expeditions had lime juice AND scurvy, alas. The process of handing and bottling the juice destroyed the vitamin C (incidentally not identified until the 1930s).
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 18 November 2012, 14:51:16
It is generally thought that lime juice alone was an effective cure back in the day but it was not. See here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scurvy

Quoting: "Indeed, a 1918 animal experiment using representative samples of the Navy and Merchant Marine's lime juice showed that it had virtually no antiscorbutic power at all."

Many polar expeditions had lime juice AND scurvy, alas. The process of handing and bottling the juice destroyed the vitamin C (incidentally not identified until the 1930s).

A case of doing the best you can with everything you know.  Seeing scurvy develop in spite of the lime juice must have been extremely frustrating and discouraging to the surgeon in charge of the community's health.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 November 2012, 14:52:55
From Rodgers' Log
28 July 1881:
Commenced serving out lime juice to Each man aboard ship. Each man to take daily one ounce. To be taken in the presence of the officer of the deck. By order of the Comdg. officer.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 18 November 2012, 18:08:48
That was in Surgeon's Stores. http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_019_1.jpg
I wonder if it really says juice :-\

In Provisions. http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_021_0.jpg
Quote
920 lbs Lime juice (3 bbl~
:o

I think it's juice. And I think it may be there to ensure that it's available in case of quarantine - it's quite a small amount really but might well cover 40 days or so of need. The 920= 3 bbl (WHAT are bbl - I'm guessing barrels - but why 'bbl?).   Hmmm - do we have any pet ship's surgeons available to let us know? (OK- that'd be a 'no' then).  What truly intrigued me was that vast amounts of alcohol turned up under the Surgeon's provisions, and just a few pts of the stuff later on under miscellaneous or the like.  :-\ :D

Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 18 November 2012, 18:18:10
From Rodgers' Log
28 July 1881:
Commenced serving out lime juice to Each man aboard ship. Each man to take daily one ounce. To be taken in the presence of the officer of the deck. By order of the Comdg. officer.

Ah! I knew there was a quote about an ounce of lime juice somewhere!  But, as also pointed out - it's the destruction of the vitamin C that's a problem. There were quite probably many much better ways of coming by the vitamin C in terms of storage - dried rose hips and the like if I recall correctly. Imagine what the politics of citrus production were like when the navy realized how much they needed lime juice.  Where did most of it come from? Were there citrus lime tree wars? Was it a whole new business in the New World? 
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 18 November 2012, 18:27:27
The food stores lists are surprisingly interesting - and much more diverse than I would have expected. I wonder how some things are preserved? Tinned, dried, salted... Is it segregated between the wardroom and the fo'c'sl (officers and ordinary sailors)? How does the fare compare to other ships on more regular government service? I don't think scurvy was a big problem on this voyage (though we may find out more as we go) whereas it was on the British Arctic Expedition just a few years before (1875-76).
Hi Kevin
I'd be interested to know who did get the mock turtle soup.  I'm intrigued by it...and the lobsters. Thing is - were they so exceptional at the time? In Elizabethan days you had to be seriously rich to afford rabbit..and the ancient Brits scoffed oysters by the ton. Mind you - 123 lbs of mock turtle as against about 8000lb pemmican....OK  - the mock turtle was for the officers. ;)  It must have been tinned. I wonder if it was concentrated in anyway. I was also wondering what pilot bread was.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kathy on 18 November 2012, 19:02:33
bbl = Barrel (42 US Gallons)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 18 November 2012, 19:11:49
I had to look up Mock Turtle Soup - all I knew is that is wasn't made of turtles.
Quote
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mock_turtle_soup
Mock turtle soup is an English soup that was created in the mid-18th century as a cheaper imitation of green turtle soup.[1] It often uses brains and organ meats such as calf's head or a calf's foot[2] to duplicate the texture and flavour of the original's turtle meat.
Sounds like it might be middle class or peasant food. :)

Pilot Bread a.k.a. Hardtack:
For rural Alaskans, Pilot Bread is soul food (http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/rural-alaskans-pilot-bread-soul-food)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardtack
Hardtack (or hard tack) is a simple type of cracker or biscuit, made from flour, water, and sometimes salt. Inexpensive and long-lasting, it was and is used for sustenance in the absence of perishable foods, commonly during long sea voyages and military campaigns.[1] The name derives from the British sailor slang for food, "tack". It is known by other names such as pilot bread (as rations for ship's pilots[2]), ship's biscuit, shipbiscuit, sea biscuit, sea bread (as rations for sailors) or pejoratively "dog biscuits", "tooth dullers", "sheet iron", "worm castles" or "molar breakers".[3] Australian military personnel know them as ANZAC wafers.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 18 November 2012, 22:56:34
Well, I've heard that lobster as delicacy is a relatively recent thing. When my mom was growing up in Key West in the 30s she's told me that she and her brother used to trap spiny lobster to use for fish bait (the second part of the staple 'grits & grunts' by the way).
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 19 November 2012, 01:54:15
Joan, I'm going through Jeanette's initial pages, providing a second transcriber.  And checking that the right url labels each of your charts.  I did correct one url - the chart itself was perfect. :)

This chart I couldn't find, and so I transcribed it - I skipped all the earlier ones.  Tell me if you have it (see next reply.)

Also, I don't have the patience to do 2 of those in the same night, and I also cannot find the chart for http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_022_0.jpg
It has the top of page 11 plus an additional short page.  Let me know if I should be doing it tomorrow, I'll hold up on going through (and skipping!) the others until then.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 19 November 2012, 09:19:01
Done.

Joan, if you want, just "quote" it and paste it (sans quoting codes) into a post of your own.  I don't mind.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 19 November 2012, 09:56:27
There are the artificial horizons. Here is a short article (with a picture) describing their use: http://www.longcamp.com/horizon.html.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 19 November 2012, 10:31:21
Done.

Joan, if you want, just "quote" it and paste it (sans quoting codes) into a post of your own.  I don't mind.

oh no- it was the Gradientor/Gradientor that gave it away - somehow I've ended up circling past this page twice - it was in reply#27.  I am sorry Janet - after all your help - but I think that it would be better if this list got deleted. Ouch - I AM SORRY!   I better check through all these pages to make sure there's not one that got missed out when I made this goof.
J :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 19 November 2012, 10:40:03
There are the artificial horizons. Here is a short article (with a picture) describing their use: http://www.longcamp.com/horizon.html.
Thanks for this Kevin. There are a few intriguing articles aboard. I've almost got time to sift through them now - but I could do with a version of the Sears Roebuck catalogue for boat chandler to sort out some of them. Mind you - they used to say you could buy everything from S/R...now which page to they have deck trumpets on?? :D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 19 November 2012, 12:39:31
Done.

Joan, if you want, just "quote" it and paste it (sans quoting codes) into a post of your own.  I don't mind.

oh no- it was the Gradientor/Gradientor that gave it away - somehow I've ended up circling past this page twice - it was in reply#27.  I am sorry Janet - after all your help - but I think that it would be better if this list got deleted. Ouch - I AM SORRY!   I better check through all these pages to make sure there's not one that got missed out when I made this goof.
J :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

I don't mind at all - I'd rather do extra than have it skipped, it's the old quality manager in me surfacing.  I do have a question about http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_022_0.jpg - that list starts with Amyl Nitrate, and it's one of the side-ways cut-in-2 confusing lists.  Do you have it, or not?  It's one I'm having trouble tracing, and the originals are so confusing in their cut up pieces, I'm having trouble putting them together.

Please understand this is just a case of, you've done such yeoman's labor on this, I want it to be perfect for you.  And it is much too long and chopped up to be easy to catch.  I am also wanting to check/skip everything as second transcriber so that we can impress woo a third transcriber to go through them all knowing which JPEGS - including weather - can be blithely skipped.  To take the caution note off the reference sheet for newbies.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 19 November 2012, 13:20:16
I just got an email from Kevin - he wrote the Navy Bureau of Medicine about Joan's inventory, saying they could get a full list of his supplies at our forum.  He replied to Kevin, sending him a couple of photos of the memorial plaque they have at the bureau for Jeanette's doctor James Ambler.

Now we know what he looked like. :)

A quick google also found me a photo of his gravestone marker, in an Episcopalian church yard in Leeds, VA.

(http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vafauqu2/Leeds/AmblerJamesM.jpg)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 19 November 2012, 13:25:39
 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 19 November 2012, 13:45:49
There are the artificial horizons. Here is a short article (with a picture) describing their use: http://www.longcamp.com/horizon.html.
Thanks for this Kevin. There are a few intriguing articles aboard. I've almost got time to sift through them now - but I could do with a version of the Sears Roebuck catalogue for boat chandler to sort out some of them. Mind you - they used to say you could buy everything from S/R...now which page to they have deck trumpets on?? :D

We have the very beginnings of an online reference bibliography on the Rediscovery site. Our librarian and one or two information school students are going to be working on this soon. That would be a good place to collate the gathering resource generated here.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 19 November 2012, 15:03:01
There are the artificial horizons. Here is a short article (with a picture) describing their use: http://www.longcamp.com/horizon.html.
Thanks for this Kevin. There are a few intriguing articles aboard. I've almost got time to sift through them now - but I could do with a version of the Sears Roebuck catalogue for boat chandler to sort out some of them. Mind you - they used to say you could buy everything from S/R...now which page to they have deck trumpets on?? :D

We have the very beginnings of an online reference bibliography on the Rediscovery site. Our librarian and one or two information school students are going to be working on this soon. That would be a good place to collate the gathering resource generated here.

Gosh! That's exciting for us all.  Makes the effort all worth it!
Joan :D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 19 November 2012, 16:01:59
I just got an email from Kevin - he wrote the Navy Bureau of Medicine about Joan's inventory, saying they could get a full list of his supplies at our forum.  He replied to Kevin, sending him a couple of photos of the memorial plaque they have at the bureau for Jeanette's doctor James Ambler.

Now we know what he looked like. :)

A quick google also found me a photo of his gravestone marker, in an Episcopalian church yard in Leeds, VA.


That's wonderful - what a great memorial. The Jeannette has been rightly decorated with impressive memorials. I hope that DeLong's survived hurricane Sandy going through the New York area.
I'm quite intrigued by Ambler. He was reluctant to go on the journey. John Danenhower owed his sight to Ambler who managed, during the journey, to hault his blindness from affecting his sight altogether. Ambler also managed to keep the crew in good state despite so long caught in the ice. He was one of the last 3 to expire on the Lena Delta.

and here's the great memorial to DeLong:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/George_Washington_DeLong_1024.jpg/220px-George_Washington_DeLong_1024.jpg)

Of those few that survived two stayed in Siberia, one fell prey to mental illness and died in an asylum, and Dannenhower, after grounding and loosing a training ship a few years later, tragically took his own life.

But for now the journey is happy and young:
"Tuesday 8th July 1879
At 4.10 [PM] got underway and steamed out of harbor accompanied by the yachts of
the S.F. Yacht Club and by the steamer tugs "Gov. Irwin", "Ellen Griffith", and
"Rabboni".... The ships and steamers in harbor dipped their colors.
..Received a salute
of 21 guns whilst passing Fort Point. Colors were dipped. At 6.30 [PM] stopped
off Buoy No.2 and parted with accompanying vessels. Cheers were exchanged
& c. At 6.35 set course SWbyW and started ahead."
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 19 November 2012, 16:34:31
Dear Janet,
Here are the page refs. jil has given much of them a good going over and I still have some of those changes to put in- but those pages 10 and 11 appearing as one and the right way up will be a nice thing to see for anyone wanting to check the original to pad out blanks etc.
Thanks again,
Joan

Page 10 of inventory
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_021_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_021_0.jpg
(match pilot bread and macaronie)

Page 10 of inventory:
This page showed the log across the original divide
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_022_0.jpg

--------------------------------------------------

Page 11 of inventory:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_021_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_022_1.jpg
these pages had a large overlap.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 19 November 2012, 16:44:38
I figured out the problem was, the items I was using for search criteria are among the 7 missing items on that page.

The other pages look mostly OK.

I'll try to create the upright rotations of all the sideways pages and attach them to your proper charts.

This is a fabulous project.  And I hope we never get this complete an inventory from any other ship - it is a lot a work. :)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 19 November 2012, 18:31:23
Oopsie! - that was really unfortunate Janet. I'll fix those missing items.

Sssshhhhhh! (whispered) check out this one:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_038_1.jpg
Well I guess she's on a details collecting mission...practice practice practice.... ;D

Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 19 November 2012, 20:49:31
Oopsie! - that was really unfortunate Janet. I'll fix those missing items.

Sssshhhhhh! (whispered) check out this one:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_038_1.jpg
Well I guess she's on a details collecting mission...practice practice practice.... ;D

Please tell me they stopped with her pantry and didn't do the entire hold!  ::)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 20 November 2012, 00:26:42
The Jeanette is on her way!


June 26th, 1879:  (although the date is hidden by the folded back inventory sheets)

8 AM to Meridian    Clear and pleasant.  Gentle breeze from WSW.  Engaged in receiving stores and stowing holds.  A complete list of stores in the ship is attached to the log.  Observed bearings for compass deviation as ship swung to ebb tide.   William Nindemann

Meridian to 4 PM  Clear and pleasant.  Fresh breeze from SSW.  Engaged accessing stores and making preparations for departure from Navy Yard.  Started fires under both boilers at 2.    William Dunbar

4 to 6 PM  Clear and pleasant.  Fresh breeze from SSW.  Received visits from Commodore E.R. Calhoun and the officers of the Navy Yard and Receiving Ship.   William Nindemann

6 to 8 PM   Clear and pleasant.  Fresh breeze from SSW.  At 6.17 slipped buoy and steamed down the river with pilot on board.  Was cheered by Yard workmen.  Manned rigging and returned cheers.  Was cheered by Receiving Ship "Independence".  Ship's draught 13' 4.5" aft and 10' 11" forward.  Engines working smoothly.   John Cole

8 PM to Mid.   Hazy weather.  Fresh breeze from SWbyS.  Standing down San Francisco Bay.  Jerome J. Collins and Raymond L. Newcomb were this day enlisted in the US Naval Service as Seamen for special duty during the cruise of this vessel.  By order of Comd'g the rate of Wallis Lee Coppersmith was changed to Machinist with pay of $50 per month to date from today.    William Nindemann


http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_024_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_024_1.jpg

assembled halves are at http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3338.msg56046#msg56046

If one other transcriber will take her through to this date, skipping all the already noted lists and duplicate weather pages, we can remove the cautionary notes from the index and reference pages.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 20 November 2012, 03:03:12
I still get the thermometer page (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_011_0.jpg) when I go in as a new transcriber.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 20 November 2012, 03:04:40
Thanks so much Janet! She's just about over the worst then.  I noticed that eikwar has had a go through some pages so it could be that a third person will be past those pages soon. Fingers crossed!
Joan ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 20 November 2012, 11:26:38
I still get the thermometer page (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_011_0.jpg) when I go in as a new transcriber.

Randi, you'll get the whole mess - I think every sane transcriber that knew Joan had taken it on, backed off and left it to her.  But only the first weather page for June 26th needs a third transcriber - you can skip everything between
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_012_1.jpg
to
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_023_1.jpg
and the assembled halves for the June 26th comment page are at http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3338.msg56046#msg56046
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 20 November 2012, 12:00:30
I was just checking to see if it was safe for newbies.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 20 November 2012, 12:17:46
Thanks Janet and Randi. I think that once jil has worked her way through the pages (she's been correcting them too Janet)  we should have water-tight lists and find that newbies come in after those inventory lists. There are a few extra bits of paper stuck into the book, but not enough to worry about - I suspect they will peter out once she's off into the Pacific. Shouldn't be long now.  8)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 20 November 2012, 13:44:23
As long as all those extra bits of paper come 1 or 2 at a time, it shouldn't anything like this difficult.  I'm glad someone is doing a more careful proof-reading, I was doing something more looking for complete "shapes" of the columns and pages covered/skipped.  You did amazing work, Joan, given the complexity of the assembly of parts.  I wouldn't wanted to tackle the start of it at all. :)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 20 November 2012, 13:57:45
I've transcribed through several pages (I'll go back and proof read them using the URLs) and now on the weather page for 27th June. No idea if I'm second or third through though!
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 21 November 2012, 15:59:31
Thanks so much jil.   I think you might well be number 3 - I think Janet went through the others. I'll ask Randi to try transcribing to see what she comes up with.
Are you staying on board - or jumping back to another ship?
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 21 November 2012, 17:51:33
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_015_0.jpg ;)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 22 November 2012, 04:36:02
Another test of TWYS resolve.
The log page says lightly overcast sky for the following entries.
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/3443/overcastbluesky.png)
The 'o' for overcast conflicts with 10/10 for the amount of blue sky. But what is seen must be entered.
For the cloud column, where there is a ditto and dash in the same space, enter the ditto, a gap, then the dash mark:  " -
And where there is a dash and Nimb enter it as: Nimb -
(checked with Moderators  and Scientists)
I'm going to put this in the main page for the Jeannette.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 22 November 2012, 11:05:28
Thanks so much jil.   I think you might well be number 3 - I think Janet went through the others. I'll ask Randi to try transcribing to see what she comes up with.
Are you staying on board - or jumping back to another ship?
I'll be staying on board, just splitting time between this and editing.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 22 November 2012, 13:08:47
Great!
I have to confess that I 'suffered' the same bump up in transcription pages as you did...only I've had to go back to fix a few things so it looks like I'm miles ahead. In fact I just got to July 7th.  ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 23 November 2012, 05:24:27
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_038_1.jpg

List of Stores on board Schooner "Fanny A. Hyde"

Col1Col 2Col 3Col 4
~ c. Cornmeal7 c. Split peas1 c. Kidneys1 c. Julienne soup
~5 bbls flour3 c. Carolina Rice7 c. Sausage1 c. fresh apples
~2 ~bls Pilot bread1 c. Barley1 c. chicken soup0.5 bbl Lard
~9 c. Roast Beef19 c. Gr. Rio  Coffee1 c. dried peaches100 tons coal
~1 c. Roast Mutton16 c. Ro. Rio Coffee1 c. tomatoes (special)
~4 c. Corned beef1 bx chocolate1 c. Okra
~6 c. Beef soup20 c. Ex C. Sugar1 c. String beans
~1 c. turkey7 c. Catloaf sugar13 c. mutton broth
~~ chicken1 SK Salt1 c. vegetable soup
~2 Roast veal1 c. raisins1 c. each of almonds, vermicelli, groceries
~~ tongue11 ch. tea1 c. each of oatmeal, split peas
~~ bacon1 bx mustard & pepper7 c. macaroni
~~ " boneless ham4 bx cheese1 c. each of Graham flour, Barley
~~ " oxtail soup1 c. prunes1 c. lima beans
~~ bls mutton suet1 hf bbl Apple butter1 c. peaches
~~ c.mock turtle soup1 hf bbl Peach butter1 c. raspberries
~~ " oatmeal1 hf bbl Quince butter1 c. pickles
~~ " hominy1 c. Dried apples3 c. chutney
~~ " D. Potatoes1 c. dried pears1 c. greengages
~~ " tomatoes9 bx SW soap2 c. damsons
~~ " Corn3 c. Ext Beef1 c. currant jelly
~~ " succotash1 c. Salmon1 c. olive oil
~~ " Green peas3 c. mackerel1 c. medium beans
~~ " turnips4 c. haddock27 kegs butter
~~ " Onions1 c. codfish3 c. Bartlett Pears
~~ " pumpkins2 c. Finnan Haddies4 c. gooseberries
~~ " Carrotts1 c. lobster1 c. apple jelly
~4 " Beets1 c. clam chowder
      

---------------------------------
Looks like the Fanny A Hyde will be journeying with the Jeannette for a way up to Alaska, carrying stores to St Michael's.   Why her inventory of provisions is listed here is not explained.      
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 23 November 2012, 12:56:22
Yes, the schooner is carrying extra supplies and more coal I think. They may carry on with the coal beyond St. Michaels - the JEANNETTE being overloaded. At least that's what I remember from 'Hell on Ice' which is good reading but not absolutely authoritative.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 23 November 2012, 12:59:34
Quote
Regardless, however, of all his arguments and his persua-
sions, De Long was unable to get the commandant at Mare
Island to approve the detail of any naval vessel for this duty;
nor, with Bennett unfortunately abroad, did he have, in spite
of his most urgent telegrams, any better luck in forcing the
Navy Department itself to order one. In this dilemma, at the
last minute Bennett saved the situation by a cable from Paris,
authorizing the charter of a schooner, the Fanny A. Hyde,
to carry the coal north. De Long, relieved of his worry but
exasperated beyond measure by the controversy, eased his
mind by wiring back to the Herald,

"Thank God, I have a man at my back to see me through
when countries fail!"
http://archive.org/stream/hellonicethesaga010772mbp/hellonicethesaga010772mbp_djvu.txt


http://books.google.fr/books?id=slY0UhJhiGcC&pg=PT157&lpg=PT157&dq=%22Fanny+A+Hyde%22&source=bl&ots=ZqB6NE127G&sig=LDCqqQwgnJITBsPWmFY8GEOrqWg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=B6uvUNaQNeiq0AWy1IAI&ved=0CEQQ6AEwBQ

http://books.google.fr/books?id=xv99e_BYIOgC&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&dq=%22Fanny+A+Hyde%22&source=bl&ots=iqj1aLrm-f&sig=VcMha2r8ADVrm95rmXtjD-r16GQ&hl=en&sa=X&ei=B6uvUNaQNeiq0AWy1IAI&ved=0CEYQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=%22Fanny%20A%20Hyde%22&f=false

http://books.google.fr/books?id=TzvkEYpdwBAC&pg=PA25&lpg=PA25&dq=%22Fanny+A+Hyde%22&source=bl&ots=uyHLadbyzI&sig=0nZKQfgPzxxIkcABS6ohyMIjB6A&hl=en&sa=X&ei=B6uvUNaQNeiq0AWy1IAI&ved=0CEgQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=%22Fanny%20A%20Hyde%22&f=false
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 23 November 2012, 13:23:42
Yes, the schooner is carrying extra supplies and more coal I think. They may carry on with the coal beyond St. Michaels - the JEANNETTE being overloaded. At least that's what I remember from 'Hell on Ice' which is good reading but not absolutely authoritative.

That makes the very last item on the "Fanny A. Hyde" the most important - the food could be purchased at a number of stops along the way.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 23 November 2012, 18:28:41
Yes, the schooner is carrying extra supplies and more coal I think. They may carry on with the coal beyond St. Michaels - the JEANNETTE being overloaded. At least that's what I remember from 'Hell on Ice' which is good reading but not absolutely authoritative.

Ohhhh - right... kind of spare pantry. 100 tons of coal - is that a lot - I guess if you are mostly under sail and your engines are not that big then it's a fair bit. Seems so small after the numbers we were dealing with with the RN - needless to say. :-\
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 25 November 2012, 13:35:15
Prophetic.... :(
"Meridian to 4PM Passed several sticks of timber"   

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_041_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 27 November 2012, 21:18:53
The Stark County Democrat. (Canton, Ohio) 1833-1912, July 10, 1879, Page 4, Image 4
Image provided by Ohio Historical Society, Columbus, OH
Persistent link: http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn84028490/1879-07-10/ed-1/seq-4/

(http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn84028490/1879-07-10/ed-1/seq-4/image_681x431_from_2861,6116_to_4530,7174.jpg)


Keowee courier. (Pickens Court House, S.C.) 1849-current, October 21, 1880, Image 1
Image provided by University of South Carolina; Columbia, SC
Persistent link: http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn84026912/1880-10-21/ed-1/seq-1/

(http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn84026912/1880-10-21/ed-1/seq-1/image_681x431_from_5000,5760_to_6616,6785.jpg)


The Somerset herald. (Somerset, Pa.) 1870-1936, December 28, 1881, Image 2
Image provided by Penn State University Libraries; University Park, PA
Persistent link: http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn84026409/1881-12-28/ed-1/seq-2/
Read this one at the persistent link - third, fourth and fifth columns, too long to magnify

(http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn84026409/1881-12-28/ed-1/seq-2/image_611x817_from_0,7_to_6395,8553.jpg)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 29 November 2012, 05:32:54
Janet, interesting finds.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 29 November 2012, 13:53:41
Well blow me down...that paper is a good read. Not only does it have an article about a real event featuring Billy the Kidd, it also features a mining disaster in England (the Orell Pit Disaster), a moral cogitation upon the modern state of Christmas (in 1881), and wonderful mention of an expedition to the North Pole by Balloon as proposed by Commander Cheyne (of the HMS Resolute etc) and here is more on that subject: http://www.ric.edu/faculty/rpotter/cheyne2.html  :o
The  'Family blown to atoms' is as black-humoured a piece as I recall reading for some time. Mr Ingram, a mine worker, found his dynamite to be damp, so did his usual practice of drying it upon the stove...which was some way forward of where it usually was at that time in the morning. RIP  ::) :o :-[ :(
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 29 November 2012, 16:36:25
And it is just a 4-page small town weekly. :)  Pre-electronic news, newspapers took themselves seriously.  Although I wonder if the merchants complained about the 3rd page column of ads printed upside-down.

I'm thinking there will be a number of nice surprises in these small town now-defunct papers.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Gunney on 30 November 2012, 00:30:28
Hello, I've just started transcribing.  This being my first time, I had some difficulty and frustrations, most of which I think I've sorted out.  I do have a couple of questions, though, for which I haven't found answers in cursory searches of the various other discussions and help topics.

My first page was, of course, a left-hand page, which does not contain the date.  I figured I would transcribe the weather entries, then come back later and add the date after I've transcribed the right-hand page.  Is this how it should be done? 

I initially opened a zoom window for each hourly log entry and transcribed the weather data, then decided I should add the location data for each log entry.  The ship apparently started the day at Mare Island and got underway in the afternoon.  Anyway, as I was editing each entry adding the location, I noticed that with each entry, the weather data was disappearing.  Now I am very apprehensive about re-opening and entry for editing as it seems when you switch tabs on the data entry window, data from the other tabs is lost, and only the info on the last tab is saved.  It doesn't seem to do that when switching between tabs during the initial entry, before clicking the "OK" button.  Any guidance would be appreciated.

I assume that someone will check over my first few log transcriptions to see that I am not introducing errors or omitting important data?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Patrick
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kathy on 30 November 2012, 00:56:30
Hi Patrick -

Welcome to the project - to answer your questions:

1)  Don't worry about putting the date on the page that does not have it - In general, the rule is TWYS - Transcribe What You See. 
2)  You don't need to add the location to each weather entry - only transcribe it once at the top of the page.  The only non-weather datum that should be added to the weather tab is Hour - that field acts as the anchor for the computer program that picks up weather data.  There is no way to have Location and Weather in the same data entry box - these two are completely separate tabs.

There is no QA in the sense of someone checking entries.  For Old Weather, QA is accomplished thru the 3 transcriber method - the 3 separate transcriptions are compared with each other.  If 2 or 3 of the transcriptions agree, that entry is accepted.  If there is no agreement, that data point is flagged.

If you want to change or correct something in a transcription:
1.  On the home page, position the cursor over the button that is labeled with your username.
2.  From the drop down list, click on My Old Weather.
3.  Scroll down to the bottom of your personal ship page.  On the lower right corner of that page, thumbnails of the pages you have   transcribed are located there.  Use the Left/Right Arrow buttons to move between the thumbnails, and click on the one you want to update.  The pages are displayed in chronological order, beginning with the most recent page.

I hope this helps, and once again - welcome to the project!
 
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 30 November 2012, 03:56:08
Hi Patrick and welcome to Old Weather!

Wendolk has already answered, but I will add a few comments. We are always glad to help - or at least to try to help!

If you haven't already, have a look at the corresponding Reference topic: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3322.msg53539#msg53539 (or via the topic * * * Index - Use this to find your Ship * * *).

The date is 'normally' on the right-hand page, so it is entered on that page. That is why the progress bar above the log image starts with Location.
There are some logs that have the date on the left-hand page (this is normally noted in the corresponding Reference topic). On these logs, you ignore the progress bar and enter the date on the left-hand page.
This seems to have confused a lot of people ;)

As wendolk said, you can only enter one of tab of data at a time.

For the some of the terms used here see: Guide to drawing entry boxes (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3078.msg49658#msg49658). I strongly recommend looking at the rest of that thread too.

I hope you enjoy this! It can be very frustrating in the beginning, but once you get the hang of it, it's not that difficult. We have a very supportive forum family ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 30 November 2012, 04:28:33
Hi Patrick! I'm working on the Jeannette too - welcome on board. I remember my first couple of days on this - worried that the planet would burn immediately because I wasn't sure of whether my entries would be any good. Given that transcribers come and go the error rate is very low (seem to remember a number like 3/100). After about a dozen pages it all started to feel familiar and with all the help from the forum, help pages, and the moderators, it's easy to get the odd nutty problem sorted out.
Joan
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 30 November 2012, 04:34:32
Oh yes - about checking, we can't access the data you've put in..just quickly re-check the data you've entered across a weather line before sending it off (you can always re-edit it, and even go back through a few pages to amend something). If you want to note your non-weather entries in a post I could check them if you want. Just let me know which date you are working on, or put in a link to the location.
Joan :)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 30 November 2012, 06:29:19
Welcome to the forum, Patrick.  As you can see, we are talkative and like answering questions.  :)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 19 December 2012, 07:22:17
Log entries for Air, dry and wet, from 1 PM to 4 PM in Celsius.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_074_0.jpg
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 21 December 2012, 02:39:14
Hi!

New kid on the block here. There's is a strange meteor sighting report on 25. Sept. 1879:

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Com & until 4 A.m.   Moderate breezes from S.S.W. and snowing at times. At 1.50 a meteor was seen about 1/4 of a mile from the ship in the S.W. quarter of the horizon. It was very brilliant and remained in sight for about 7 minutes appearing like a ball of fire. At 3 the weather cleared. There was a fine aurora during watch.   William Dunbar

Errrrrr.......a meteor, 7 minutes, below the cloud ceiling, right next to the ship?
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 21 December 2012, 03:27:31
Hi Captain Clewi,

Welcome to the forum!

If you want to, you could post the sighting in Natural Phenomena (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=384.0). You might also include a link to the log page: Posting Links and Images (A Guide) (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1073.0)

Someone will probably provide more information.
Here is something, even if not much detail: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1880Obs.....3..536D



PS Have a look at: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3210.msg52142#msg52142 ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 21 December 2012, 03:56:39
Hi!

New kid on the block here. There's is a strange meteor sighting report on 25. Sept. 1879:

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Com & until 4 A.m.   Moderate breezes from S.S.W. and snowing at times. At 1.50 a meteor was seen about 1/4 of a mile from the ship in the S.W. quarter of the horizon. It was very brilliant and remained in sight for about 7 minutes appearing like a ball of fire. At 3 the weather cleared. There was a fine aurora during watch.   William Dunbar

Errrrrr.......a meteor, 7 minutes, below the cloud ceiling, right next to the ship?

Welcome Clewi!
What a fabulous night! meteors just beyond your ear and the aurora too... Must have been beautiful.   Good find with the meteor notes, Randi!
Joan
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Caro on 21 December 2012, 04:00:10
Welcome Clewi. Love your avatar.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 21 December 2012, 04:02:46
Okay, thanks. Reported it! Way to make a debut here!  ;D

Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 21 December 2012, 04:05:58
 ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 21 December 2012, 04:06:25
Certainly is a way to make a debut!  ;D
I'm hoping that the Jeannette will provide quite a few of those types of observations because she is a scientific expedition.
(I really like your avatar too...very cute)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 21 December 2012, 04:38:59
As for the barometer, I had already added this to the events tab. Don't worry about that. Wasn't quite sure how important that is. Okay, quite important, I guess. Again, 25.9.1879:

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Aneroid bar. was moved at 4.30 and fell 29.51. The aneroid was moved from the outside of the Cabin Bulkhead to a place on the fore and aft-bulkhead in the cabin near the starboard door. on account of the thermometer attached which is not graduated below 10?

Link (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_120_0.jpg)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 21 December 2012, 04:52:30
In cases like Link (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_120_0.jpg), there is no need to be so fancy - the url is just for when you want to add a description ;)

Plain http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_120_0.jpg works perfectly well.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 21 December 2012, 04:55:59
As for the barometer, I had already added this to the events tab. Don't worry about that. Wasn't quite sure how important that is. Okay, quite important, I guess. Again, 25.9.1879:

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Aneroid bar. was moved at 4.30 and fell 29.51. The aneroid was moved from the outside of the Cabin Bulkhead to a place on the fore and aft-bulkhead in the cabin near the starboard door. on account of the thermometer attached which is not graduated below 10?

Link (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_120_0.jpg)

You can add that here: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3456.0
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 21 December 2012, 05:29:36
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You can add that here: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3456.0

Done!

Memo to self: simply hacking this into the events tab doesn't cut it!  :)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 21 December 2012, 05:41:00
The problem is that there is not a system designed to handle this sort of thing - maybe in the future!

We do our best with the Barometers, Instrumentation and Specifications by Ship - Phase 3 topic.
Putting it in Events is still a good idea - many of us do. If the scientists are warned that something has been changed or if they see something strange in the data, they can take a closer look.

We are very happy to have you on board!
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 21 December 2012, 05:45:04
Welcome Captain Clewi! I was very impressed by how you came up and passed me in the Jeannette logs. I thought it was a meteor that went by me  ;D

Craig
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 21 December 2012, 06:12:34
Welcome Captain Clewi! I was very impressed by how you came up and passed me in the Jeannette logs. I thought it was a meteor that went by me  ;D

Craig

Thanks! Well, I was suffering from the "Just-one-more-page"-syndrome. But I have to slow down a bit again. Real life 'n stuff. After 100+ years a day or two more doesn't really matter after all.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 21 December 2012, 07:23:54
Inserted page on 30. Sept. 1879:

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List of provisions condemned as unfit for use during Quarter Ending Sept. 30th 1879

Flour      40 lbs
Roast Beef   666 "
Roast-Mutton   9 "
Beef Soup   152 "
Mutton Soup   8 "
Turnips      1 1/2 "
Chutney      1 bot.
Currant Jelly   2 glasses


http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_125_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 25 December 2012, 16:35:46
From 1. Nov. 1879 on wind force was entered in mph!

Remarked here already:

http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3456.msg58088#msg58088 (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3456.msg58088#msg58088)

Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 25 December 2012, 17:02:41
Inserted page on 30. Sept. 1879:

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List of provisions condemned as unfit for use during Quarter Ending Sept. 30th 1879

Flour      40 lbs
Roast Beef   666 "
Roast-Mutton   9 "
Beef Soup   152 "
Mutton Soup   8 "
Turnips      1 1/2 "
Chutney      1 bot.
Currant Jelly   2 glasses


http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_125_1.jpg

I just find 666 lb of roast beef an inconceivable amount of cooked meat -how did they store it? :o Anyway I don't eat meat - but the loss of the chutney goes deep into my horror banks!  ::) :D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 29 December 2012, 12:23:33
They've picked up some extra stores at Ounalashka - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_067_1.jpg
See #151 below for formatted list
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 29 December 2012, 13:22:26
What an evocative list!  I think I may have managed to read a few of your question marks - try these:

1/2 doz wisp brooms
1/2 doz claw hatchets
12 standard lamp chimneys
1/2 doz fox traps
3 sheets Galv'd iron (ie galvanized)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 29 December 2012, 21:21:22
Tuesday August 3rd 1879
List of supplies furnished by the Alaska Commercial Co.
13 Fur seal blankets } Case 11/2 doz wisp brooms}3 snow shovels  1 pkg
19 Fur seal skins }18 lb whale sinew } Case 55 c coal oil 50 gals
10 Fur seal blankets Case 21/2 doz claw hatchets }1/2 doz fox traps
16 marmot robes }5 reindeer coats }2 tins matches 10gr.
1 squirrel coat } Case 33 reindeer bags } 1 Bdle4 prs snow shoes
1 musquash coat }1 reindeer skin }3 bars O iron 7/8 inch 92 pound
25 Intestine shirts }15 reindeer bags  1 Bdle3 sheets Gal'vd iron 7/8 inch 36pounds
9 pr. Buffalo overshoes } Case 439 reindeer skins  6 Bdles20 p'd iron tacks
1 clothes line }17 Bundles Walrushide rope1/6 doz rim knob locks
1 pc scarlet flannel 34 yds }12 brooms  1 pkge1 keg nails 8s
347 ft spruce board30 ft T & G60 gallons cranberries
1000 ft RW Rustic12 student lamp chimneys1 sheep
500 ft 2 X 384 ft plank 3 x 1211 850 lbs dried fish
131 tons 1083 lbs Nanaimmo coal30 prs reindeer mitts (1 case)
26 Squirrel coats (3 cases)
            


Sorted out the odd stuff jil.  Thanks for doing the list!

Now - in Oxford there is the Pitt Rivers museum of ethnology..much beloved. My favourite piece from thousands of exhibits is an intestine shirt made by the Inuit.    It appears in this website:
http://www.nps.gov/akso/beringia/beringia/library/Living-with-old-things.pdf (see attachment of page 10).  It works because intestines absorb water and salts into the body, but don't let it back out. So by sewing it carefully and wearing it the right way around the gut shirt lets out sweat, and keeps out rain - just like modern Gortex. The workmanship is fabulous.  So I am very excited to see that they bought intestine shirts. (But I bet the squirrel coats were a tight fit...joke!).
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 29 December 2012, 21:35:08
What an evocative list!  I think I may have managed to read a few of your question marks - try these:

1/2 doz wisp brooms
1/2 doz claw hatchets
12 standard lamp chimneys
1/2 doz fox traps
3 sheets Galv'd iron (ie galvanized)


Thanks helenj!  I think the lamps are 'stardust' lamps (I think they appeared in the original lists ...I'll try to check).
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 29 December 2012, 23:04:02
I'm assuming that "stardust" means "frosted" glass?  Many of them look extremely appropriate, and I must think that the crew of a sailing ship is good enough at sewing seams to make use of the smaller furs.  I do want to ask what the following items might be:

1000 ft RW Rustic   
500 ft 2 X 3   
30 ft T & G   

I found a page with pics of modern Inuit clothing, with captions detailed enough to explain how they put them on, in how many layers.  http://www.johntyman.com/arctic/inuit201.html
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 30 December 2012, 04:19:09
http://jamesdjulia.com/auctions/div_catalog_316.asp?pageREQ=1 - Search for stardust.

I suspect jil is right with Student - it is a type of lamp:
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Definition of STUDENT LAMP
: a desk reading lamp with a tubular shaft, one or two arms for a shaded light, and originally an oil reservoir
First Known Use of STUDENT LAMP
1852
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/student%20lamp
Pictures:
https://www.google.fr/search?q=student+lamp&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=m9Z&tbo=u&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=fvnfUMufG9Gq0AXO94GoBQ&ved=0CC4QsAQ&biw=1606&bih=916
http://www.rubylane.com/shop/antiqueinvestments/ilist/,c=Antiques_Student_Lamp_Chimney_Lamps,,_Lighting,cs=Antiques:Lamps,,+Lighting:Student+Lamp+Chimney.html
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 30 December 2012, 06:19:36
I'm assuming that "stardust" means "frosted" glass?  Many of them look extremely appropriate, and I must think that the crew of a sailing ship is good enough at sewing seams to make use of the smaller furs.  I do want to ask what the following items might be:

1000 ft RW Rustic   
500 ft 2 X 3   
30 ft T & G   

I found a page with pics of modern Inuit clothing, with captions detailed enough to explain how they put them on, in how many layers.  http://www.johntyman.com/arctic/inuit201.html

2 x 3 would be planks of lumber so I would guess that RW might be redwood. "Rustic" could be unmilled. And since we are talking lumber, T & G could be tongue and groove?
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 30 December 2012, 07:01:19
Rustic - not neatly planed? still got the bark on???

I'm just thinking of rustic garden furniture  ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 30 December 2012, 07:44:08
I think that's it, Jill. The captain was obviously planning to remodel his cabin in early 70's rustic  ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 30 December 2012, 11:20:53
But will it suit that super barometer they bought just so that they could not read it because it got hidden in the Captain's quarters?  ;) ;D
Very interesting responses. Tongue and Groove - didn't think of that at all!
OK - student lamps it is - not so fancy or romantic as stardust but sound to be eminently more practical. ;D
Loved 'getting dressed' Janet - it must feel weird walking in so many layers.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 30 December 2012, 13:22:06
At reasonable winter temps (0o to -15o C) thick layers feel cumbersome.  When I go out on a -18o C (0o F) night with a stiff breeze, it feels wonderfully (hopefully) warm and comforting.  And Chicago doesn't get anywhere near as cold as the arctic.

Which makes this current winter highly unreasonable.
NOAA: Chicago's Lack of Cold and Snow Nearing All-Time Records (Updated December 29th) (http://www.crh.noaa.gov/news/display_cmsstory.php?wfo=lot&storyid=90812&source=0)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 02 January 2013, 08:55:34
A rather curious use of ditto in the weather code column at 9 AM. I presume it stands for the single letter "c" in this case.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_151_0.jpg

This is not the first occurrance. It goes without saying that I T"d WI S(aw)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 02 January 2013, 09:06:56
 ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 02 January 2013, 11:31:40
A rather curious use of ditto in the weather code column at 9 AM. I presume it stands for the single letter "c" in this case.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_151_0.jpg

This is not the first occurrance. It goes without saying that I T"d WI S(aw)

It's getting even worse later on in the cloud column: "Cum Str nimb wc & haze" repeated every hour in all kinds of combinations, or my favorite: "Cum, Strat & Stratus". Consuming distilled water all the time can't be healthy! At least they haven't recorded the clear sky above the cloud layers. But I bet that comes next! I wonder what else they were distilling there.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 03 January 2013, 06:21:51
I think he is sometimes showing sub-hourly conditions. So the "Cum, Strat" was earlier in the hour and the "Stratus" was later in the hour. This will be messy for the science team to sort out.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 03 January 2013, 06:39:01
Sometimes they write three or four lines in ultra-tiny letters, but in some cases it is impossible to figure out which is which. All I can do is to enter it consecutively and hope for the best!  :-\
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 03 January 2013, 06:49:03
I think he is sometimes showing sub-hourly conditions. So the "Cum, Strat" was earlier in the hour and the "Stratus" was later in the hour. This will be messy for the science team to sort out.

I don't think so.  Cum-strat is one kind, strat is another and I think he's seeing both.  Cum-str is in the logbook instructions (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=161.msg53364#msg53364) as a secondary cloud form, and is in our Cloud Type graphics (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3003.0) as Stratocumulus.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 January 2013, 08:21:48
It depends if it is a comma or a hyphen ;)

If we could have a link to the page (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1073.0), it might help ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 03 January 2013, 09:08:21
This is definitely a comma at 1 AM
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_159_0.jpg

On this page he is using an ampersand at 1 PM, 6 PM and 11 PM.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_160_0.jpg

Here's an example of a comma at 6 AM. Do you think Cir and Cir-Str are at one specific time?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_158_0.jpg
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 January 2013, 09:35:29
1AM looks like periods to me ???
I think the log keeper means cirrostratus and cumulostratus (stratocumulus).
I'm not sure if I would transcribe it as Cir-Str, Cum-Str or  cir.strat.cum.strat. - it would depend in part on previous experience with this log keeper :-\


"Do you think Cir and Cir-Str are at one specific time?" - I think so. It seems strange that there would only be extra observations on the cloud type. As Janet said earlier (about cumulostratus and stratus), they are different types. The fact that he uses dots to separate everything makes it difficult to know how to transcribe it :P
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 03 January 2013, 10:22:30
He uses dots, dashes and sometimes a squiggle that looks like an ampersand. I have always used dashes regardless of the punctuation in order to conform to the drop-downs.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 03 January 2013, 10:34:14
I'd go with the pairs and singles in the drop-down, as we can change those to match, as much as possible.  Either that, or type exactly with his punctuation.  Both are within the TWYS standards.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 03 January 2013, 10:37:12
When I'm not sure I enter them consecutively seperated by spaces, only using hyphens when I'm quite sure. In December it's even worse because I can barely read the scratchy writing. I think it's DeLong himself.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 03 January 2013, 10:42:32
If it is DeLong, we may be getting some readings from his fancy barometer.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 03 January 2013, 10:50:50
Whoever he is, he's quite pedantic!  ;D

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Bright moonlight and starlight. At 4.30 PM an Auroral arch of streamers in N by E magnetic. The crown of the arch having an altitude of 20?. At 7 faint aurora to Northward. At 8 brilliant Aurora in an arch from E to W ( ~ magnetic) passing through zenith, with bright bows ~ up occasionally from Northern horizon. At 9 double Auroral arch from W to to NE x E (~ magnetic), crown at North (magnetic) 60? in altitude. Faint auroral patches under moon S x E (mag.) At 11 auroral Streamers beginning at NW (mag) arching to 30? altitude at N (mag) and returning at NNE (mag) in an ellipse to beginning.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_209_1.jpg

Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 January 2013, 10:59:33
bright bows shooting up occasionally ?
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 03 January 2013, 11:00:19
Maybe, maybe not.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 03 January 2013, 12:23:16
He seems more poetic than pedantic. Perhaps he had the intuition that his log entries would be read by many. Imagine, log-writing as an art form. That might make log transcription a dirivative art form ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 03 January 2013, 12:45:08
This page (quoted above) is written by two different hands - the first appears to be Danenhower's - I think the other might be Nindermann (I'll  check).
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_209_1.jpg

Hmmm - on second thoughts -  not sure about the second hand.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 03 January 2013, 13:14:54
There are many entries by Ninderman early on, August etc. I don't think it's him. Whoever it is, it's the same guy who recorded the sounding results each day.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 03 January 2013, 16:02:54
At St. Michaels Alaska 16th Aug 1879, they've swapped the 2nd dingy for a metallic life boat

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_078_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 04 January 2013, 14:25:24
from WF & T Co... would this be Wells Fargo & Telegraph Co.? Wells Fargo were pretty big in San Francisco weren't they? Just a thought.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 04 January 2013, 18:47:40
from WF & T Co... would this be Wells Fargo & Telegraph Co.? Wells Fargo were pretty big in San Francisco weren't they? Just a thought.

Wells Fargo & Co. was huge in the west, and specialized in banking and specialized speedy shipping of items small enough to fit in stage coaches.  Later they also shipped by railroad.  Founded in San Francisco, the bank and express businesses split in 1905 and the bank still survives and thrives today.

And no, I did not know all that before you asked.  https://www.wellsfargo.com/about/history/adventure/since_1852

But the "& T" was never part of their name, creating and maintaining telegraph wires was never part of their business.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 04 January 2013, 19:10:48
Hm - I wonder what that 'T' is then...well - we mind find out in time... :D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 04 January 2013, 19:17:57
Not much help, but I did find this:
http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cdnc/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=DAC18800402.2.52&cl=search&srpos=117&dliv=none&st=1&e=--1870-----en-Logical-20-DAC-100-byDA---shipping+keller-all---
"W F & T Co." - note space for searching



I wouldn't think there would be much connection between a 'metallic life boat' and Wells Fargo or Telegraphs :-\
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 04 January 2013, 19:56:09
Oh my mind is blown away...thanks for finding the Daily Alta Randi!  It's such an amazing feeling of almost being there when those 'dots join up' - here's a newspaper article from 1879...this is just such a crazy thing to be able to access... (the slightly fuzzy bit says 'reports all well')

(http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/7834/jeannetteatounalaskadai.jpg)

http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cdnc/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&cl=search&d=DAC18790816.2.58&srpos=105&e=--1870-----en-Logical-20-DAC-101-byDA--IN-ounalaska----#

The rest of the paper is a fascination too.  E.g. the shipment reports are showing many thousands of bushels of wheat still going to Cork and Queenstown (modern day Cobh) years after the great famine. One cargo is worth $30,000.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 04 January 2013, 20:03:05
Not much help, but I did find this:
http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cdnc/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=DAC18800402.2.52&cl=search&srpos=117&dliv=none&st=1&e=--1870-----en-Logical-20-DAC-100-byDA---shipping+keller-all---
"W F & T Co." - note space for searching



I wouldn't think there would be much connection between a 'metallic life boat' and Wells Fargo or Telegraphs :-\

Well!!  That is nice, and there clearly is a shipping company of sorts known as W F & T Co.  I added that California news site to the Newspaper search sites on the Helpful Links post (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1054.msg56565#msg56565).
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 04 January 2013, 20:36:45
Bigger article - and news of the Rush!:

(http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/1418/jeannetteandrush1879.jpg)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: sean0118 on 05 January 2013, 02:10:11
'Condemned to dog food 66lbs roast beef marked "Eric".'

Did I read that right? Is there a dog on board named Eric?  ???

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_061_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 05 January 2013, 02:31:44
Clearly not good enough for humans, but not too spoiled for dogs.  I'd have thought their sled dogs got better food.  But I think it is marked "Erie", like the lake or canal.  Maybe a brand?
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 05 January 2013, 04:18:49
We've also had beef marking Cutting & Co., so yes a brand. I wonder if they record it to see which one keeps longest? (Note to future expeditions - Don't buy any more of that stuff from Eric  ;D )
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 05 January 2013, 05:27:13
More stores, picked up at St. Michaels Alaska and some crew changes 21st August 1879.

30 neck comforters                                               40 sets dog harness
36 drill jumpers                                                     5 sleds
20 prs wollen gloves                                             20 cakes = 2290lbs compressed dog food
4 dressed beaver skins                                         5 budles thongs
5 tanned seal skins (Maklak)                                4 peices whale bone
5 tanned seal skins small (Suntak)                       10 gal. coal oil
60 Mink skins (Mr Ketchum)                                   1 coal oil lamp
10 pieces = 400yds cotton drill                             2 illuminators
10 pieces = 504yds calico (prints)                        2 shades
3 Bbls. salt salmon                                                3 doz wicks
40 prs snow shoes                                               5 prs wollen pant
2 Bidaikics (canoes)                                              1 pr Hardtime pants
1 Bidara (skin boat)                                              5 woolen overshirts
40 dogs
(They've also just loaded up the stores from the Fanny A. Hyde, where are they putting all this stuff?)

Two natives, named respectively Alexey and Aniguin were received on board to accompany the ship on her voyage to the Arctic Ocean, as dog drivers, hunters and trappers, upon the following terms of agreement between them and the Commanding Officer, Lieutenant DeLong U.S. Navy: viz. Alexey is to receive Twenty ($20.00) per month and a proper outfit which amounts to $50.00 and at the completion of his service a breach loading rifle and 1000 cartridges, his wife shall receive provisions during his absence amounting to $5.00 per month.
Aniguin receives fifteen ($15.00) per month and a proper outfit amounting to $50.00 and his mother shall receive provisions during his absence ammounting to $5.00 per month.
Both men shall be clothed and found in the necessaries of life until their return to St Michael Alaska Territory.

Ah Sing (Seaman) was this day discharged from the ship and the Naval Service, and a passage provided for him in the Schooner "Fanny A. Hyde" to San Francisco, California
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_083_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_084_0.jpg (for reverse of inserted page)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 05 January 2013, 06:25:58
'Condemned to dog food 66lbs roast beef marked "Eric".'

Did I read that right? Is there a dog on board named Eric?  ???

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_061_1.jpg
I must admit - dog's guts are quite strong, but they do have quite a few lbs of condemned food allotted to them by now - glad I don't have to muck them out frankly. I love the idea that it might be for Eric the Dog (he's gonna have LOTS of friends soon). But it does look like Erie. I noticed that they were logging names on faulty products. I don't know if they intended to seek refunds at some time. Certainly the Daily Alta newspaper seems to contain similar types of reporting as these 'lost goods'.  I might go back and see if there is any report brought back by the St Paul's.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 05 January 2013, 06:39:27
More stores, picked up at St. Michaels Alaska and some crew changes 21st August 1879.

30 neck comforters                                               40 sets dog harness
36 drill jumpers                                                     5 sleds
20 prs wollen gloves                                             20 cakes = 2290lbs compressed dog food
4 dressed beaver skins                                         5 budles thongs
5 tanned seal skins (Maklak)                                4 peices whale bone
5 tanned seal skins small (Suntak)                       10 gal. coal oil
60 Mink skins (Mr Ketchum)                                   1 coal oil lamp
10 pieces = 400yds cotton drill                             2 illuminators
10 pieces = 504yds calico (prints)                        2 shades
3 Bbls. salt salmon                                                3 doz wicks
40 prs snow shoes                                               5 prs wollen pant
2 Bidaikics (canoes)                                              1 pr Hardtime pants
1 Bidara (skin boat)                                              5 woolen overshirts
40 dogs
(They've also just loaded up the stores from the Fanny A. Hyde, where are they putting all this stuff?)

Two natives, named respectively Alexey and Aniguin were received on board to accompany the ship on her voyage to the Arctic Ocean, as dog drivers, hunters and trappers, upon the following terms of agreement between them and the Commanding Officer, Lieutenant DeLong U.S. Navy: viz. Alexey is to receive Twenty ($20.00) per month and a proper outfit which amounts to $50.00 and at the completion of his service a breach loading rifle and 1000 cartridges, his wife shall receive provisions during his absence amounting to $5.00 per month.
Aniguin receives fifteen ($15.00) per month and a proper outfit amounting to $50.00 and his mother shall receive provisions during his absence ammounting to $5.00 per month.
Both men shall be clothed and found in the necessaries of life until their return to St Michael Alaska Territory.

Ah Sing (Seaman) was this day discharged from the ship and the Naval Service, and a passage provided for him in the Schooner "Fanny A. Hyde" to San Francisco, California
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_083_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_084_0.jpg (for reverse of inserted page)

1) All further stocks to go into the Tardis room (joke)
2) Ah Sing - that's one lucky man  but it will be a long time before he knows it
This is now the final crew.

Nice lists jil ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 05 January 2013, 08:39:39
More stores, picked up at St. Michaels Alaska and some crew changes 21st August 1879.

...
60 Mink skins (Mr Ketchum)

That is probably the same person as the metallic life boat!
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_078_1.jpg)


6-8 pm W.F. & T. mentioned: Salutes fired from redoubt and from W.F. & T. Co's. place on opposite side.

I wonder if the T is Traders (or trappers)?
F could be fur (or fishing)  :-\ ??? :-\

Wiki:
Quote
"Redoubt St. Michael" was founded in 1833 by traders of the Russian-American Company, as a trading post for trade with the Yupik people of the area. The trading settlement and the island were named after the archangel Michael.

Fort St. Michael, a U.S. military post, was established in 1897. During the gold rush of 1897, it was a major gateway to the Alaskan interior via the Yukon River Delta (located about 40 miles to the southwest). As many as 10,000 persons were said to live in St. Michael during the gold rush. St. Michael was also a popular trading post for Eskimos to trade their goods for Western supplies. Centralization of many Yup'iks from the surrounding villages intensified after the measles epidemic of 1900 and the influenza epidemic of 1918.[5]

St. Michael's population today is largely Yup'ik. Many residents are descendants of Russian traders.
and
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But from the 1820s onwards the profits from the fur trade began to decline. Already in 1818 the Russian government had taken control of the Russian-American Company from the merchants who held the charter. The explorer and Naval Officer, Baron Wrangel, who had been administrator of Russian government interests in Russian America a decade before, was the first president of the company during the government period. The company ceased its commercial activities in 1881. In 1867, the Alaska Purchase transferred control of Alaska to the United States and the commercial interests of the Russian American Company were sold to Hutchinson, Kohl & Company of San Francisco, California, who then renamed their company to the Alaska Commercial Company.



Ketchum? :-\ http://vilda.alaska.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/cdmg21/id/14784/rec/1
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 05 January 2013, 09:49:33
That photo is intense - how the west was won. Love the anti-rat-climbing ties around the trouser legs.
Funny - the name Whymper rang a bell - but I kept thinking 'Edward' - I wonder if they were related? http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/643069/Edward-Whymper
And he's not the only other Whymper who turns up if you google 'Whymper Artist'
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 05 January 2013, 12:13:41
Mr. Ketchum in the photo definitely looks like he'd could easily lay his hands on 60 mink skins!
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 05 January 2013, 15:26:25
I agree.  ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 05 January 2013, 16:24:03
And Mr Whymper looks as though he already has!
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 06 January 2013, 08:17:15
I'd go with the pairs and singles in the drop-down, as we can change those to match, as much as possible.  Either that, or type exactly with his punctuation.  Both are within the TWYS standards.

This pertains to cloud type in the Jeannette logs. http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_168_0.jpg

At 8 AM I typed "Cir, Cir-Str, Str". At 11 AM he has cum and nim on different lines. It appears that when he wants to indicate a compound clould type he puts all the components on the same line (unless he uses an ampersand). So I would put "Cum Nim" for 11 AM. The difficulty with Janet's suggestion of typing "exactly with his punctuation" is that you can't indicate different lines. Up until a few days ago I have been putting hyphens even when the components are on different lines.

At 1 PM I would put "Cum-Str, Nim & Str"

Comments?


Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 06 January 2013, 08:34:14
That seems reasonable to me.
I think we just have to do our best.
With "Cum-Str, Nim & Str", at least Cumulus, Stratus, and Nimbus are recorded as existing. The scientists can worry if they existed discretely or in combination(s).
 :-\
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 06 January 2013, 09:19:57
I agree.  As Philip says, guess extravagantly! :)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 06 January 2013, 14:36:41
Whoever this wannbe-poet is, he's slowing me down! Decrypting his handwriting is really hard at times. But then there's a lot of stuff going on in winter 1880! More here:

http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=384.msg58069#msg58069

Some examples:

4.1.1880 [AM]
Quote
At 12.30 a meteor, very brilliant, fell in a curved line from S to SE, and in exploding showed red, yellow and blue color like a ~.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_222_1.jpg

5.1.1880
[PM]
Quote
At 10.30 remarkable meteoric light to Southward illuminating the floe with a brilliant green flash.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_223_1.jpg

6.1.1880 [AM]
Quote
Faint auroral arches were observed until 6 am, a meteor in S~ falling to SW, and another meteor in East falling to SE. Moon just above SE horizon at 7. During forenoon land was seen between SSE and SSW (magnetic) and recognized as the same land as was sighted on October 29th. & Seq. The land was much raised by refraction, and an inverted image presented over the real one. The outline of the real land much obscured. Appearances of land in direction of the bearing of Herald Island.
[PM]
Quote
At 2 PM the land outline was much plainer. A meteor was observed, at 4 and another at 9. Auroral arches from 5 to Midnight. The remarkable ones being a bright curtain at 9 forming an ellipse; two arches at 11. Starting from a point in NE and ending respectively in NNW and W. Coronas being 20? and 90? in altitude; and a four arch fan at midnight from the same point. Coronas 30?, 60?, 75? and 90? in Altitude, ~ at NNW, NW, NW x W and WNW. Twilight arch 10? at 4 PM.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_224_1.jpg

And all of this @ -30 F  :o
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 06 January 2013, 14:43:56
At 12.30 a meteor, very brilliant, fell in a curved line from S to SE, and in exploding showed red, yellow and blue color like a ~.
rocket ?



The degree symbol doesn't work here in the forum. You can omit it, use a lowercase 'o', or use a superscripted lowercase 'o'.
When transcribing, you can omit it (as long as the meaning is clear), use a lowercase 'o', or use a degree symbol if it saves correctly (many characters - like letters with diacritical marks - that don't work in the forum do work when transcribing).
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 06 January 2013, 14:53:54
I think it is rocket....but does it make sense? Certain elements burn in specific colors, this applies to fireworks and probably meteors as well. So maybe this is what he meant. Not sure.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 06 January 2013, 16:22:12
"Rocket" is a specific, high-flying kind of fireworks in America, as opposed to smaller fizz-bangs usually used by private persons.  Older ones usually bought by individuals shed a smoky trail and had smaller flower-like bursts at the apex.  Modern ones are what you see going off high in the sky at municipal 4th of July and New Year's celebrations.

Somewhere in the fifties in many states, rockets and other powerful fireworks became illegal to own or use by anyone without a license proving they were a trained fireworks professional simply because of the high number of people who turned up in emergency rooms with fingers or hands literally blown off.  The fun wasn't worth the pain.  I was old enough to understand the news announcement on this new law, and young enough I had to ask Dad to explain why.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 06 January 2013, 16:24:04
That 'rocket day' is De Long's writing.
They are certainly having a very enviable time and for all astronomers to feel jealous of.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 08 January 2013, 09:08:11
Is a plus sign in front of a temperature a TWYS or a "Yes But"? I keep hitting Enter instead of +  :(

And what about leading zeroes before the decimal?
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 08 January 2013, 11:25:24
I believe both the plus-sign and the zeros are covered by implication in the "Other" section of TWYS-YB (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3191.msg51631#msg51631).  Except for Wind Direction and some Lat/Longs, type the decimal computer-version of the numbers you see.  So +73 could be 73, and 0.13 could be .13, or each unaltered if you wish.  As long as the decimal and digits are accurate, I wouldn't fuss about it.

My reading of 2 years of discussion on this subject.  I do not doubt there will be other opinions to discuss. :)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 08 January 2013, 12:21:16
Fine by me.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 08 January 2013, 18:44:24
BTW, how am I supposed to properly transcribe directions - I think it is Nd or Sd (it is a "d", is it?)

Besides, I think they have encountered the Dalek invasion fleet:

16.1.1880 PM 
Quote
Several shocks to ship up to 7 o'clock from ice movement and pressure, but she retained the same heel, 2 1/2o to Starboard. At 10 an Auroral Arch was visible to the SSW. At 11 there were four auroral arches: one 15o in altitude with its crown in the N, one 25o in alt with its crown in NW x W, one 15o in altitude with its arch in SW, and one 10o in alt with its crown in South. The amount of sky included by these arches was from NE around by N to SE. The beginning of the Second arch was alongside of its ending of the first, and so on. From these intermediate points Streamers ran upward toward the zenith. At midnight there were three arches to the Sd, 12o, 15o and 18o respectively in Altitude, and extending from ESE to WNW. Through the middle one there were continued pulsations of light from E to W, and at intervals of a few seconds only, globes of light showing prismatic colors (red and green principally) rolled across from E to W against the wind and ended at about 5o from the horizon. Three of these globes in Transit were in sight at one time. This display lasted five minutes when the pulsations of light recommenced. Two arches were also visible in the N 15o and 20o in alt respectively with bands of light crossing them horizontally like chords. Northern and Southern Sets both originated in the ESE and ended in WNW while from both Sets there radiated faint arches through zenith.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_015_1.jpg

Very slow progress here because of these War-And-Peace-like entries. But they're cool!  ;D

Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 08 January 2013, 19:20:18
BTW, how am I supposed to properly transcribe directions - I think it is Nd or Sd (it is a "d", is it?)

I transcribe that kind of superscript abbreviation by using an apostrophe.  Nd gets written N'd

Quote
Besides, I think they have encountered the Dalek invasion fleet:

16.1.1880 PM 
Quote
Several shocks to ship up to 7 o'clock from ice movement and pressure, but she retained the same heel, 2 1/2o to Starboard. At 10 an Auroral Arch was visible to the SSW. At 11 there were four auroral arches: one 15o in altitude with its crown in the N, one 25o in alt with its crown in NW x W, one 15o in altitude with its arch in SW, and one 10o in alt with its crown in South. The amount of sky included by these arches was from NE around by N to SE. The beginning of the Second arch was alongside of its ending of the first, and so on. From these intermediate points Streamers ran upward toward the zenith. At midnight there were three arches to the Sd, 12o, 15o and 18o respectively in Altitude, and extending from ESE to WNW. Through the middle one there were continued pulsations of light from E to W, and at intervals of a few seconds only, globes of light showing prismatic colors (red and green principally) rolled across from E to W against the wind and ended at about 5o from the horizon. Three of these globes in Transit were in sight at one time. This display lasted five minutes when the pulsations of light recommenced. Two arches were also visible in the N 15o and 20o in alt respectively with bands of light crossing them horizontally like chords. Northern and Southern Sets both originated in the ESE and ended in WNW while from both Sets there radiated faint arches through zenith.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_015_1.jpg

Very slow progress here because of these War-And-Peace-like entries. But they're cool!  ;D

It's astonishing what all gets logged when the crew's mission is to be observant scientists.  These sailors are very intelligent.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 08 January 2013, 19:46:45
I transcribe that kind of superscript abbreviation by using an apostrophe.  Nd gets written N'd

Great, another mystery solved!

It's astonishing what all gets logged when the crew's mission is to be observant scientists.  These sailors are very intelligent.

If only he wouldn't use a quill to record this stuff!  ::) I wonder what the scientific value of these recordings is - beside the anecdotal value. I mean - auroras, yeah, great! They use to happen from time to time in the high north.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 January 2013, 03:46:16
Nd / N'd is noted in http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3191.msg51631#msg51631 ;)

Don't forget that transcribing the remarks is optional, but we are delighted you are willing to do it!
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 09 January 2013, 04:29:31
Wondering about how much was understood of the Aurore in those days I stumbled upon this quote:
 
"We will make it run the dynamos to supply our houses and streets with electric light;... and it shall develop the brains of our statesmen and legislators, to make them wiser and better and of more practical use than they are at present. Wonderful things will be done when we get the electricity of the aurora under our control."
~ Thomas W. Knox, The Voyage of the Vivian, 1884

Hmmmm..not quite there yet! ::) ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 09 January 2013, 06:53:57
Wondering about how much was understood of the Aurore in those days I stumbled upon this quote:
 
"We will make it run the dynamos to supply our houses and streets with electric light;... and it shall develop the brains of our statesmen and legislators, to make them wiser and better and of more practical use than they are at present. Wonderful things will be done when we get the electricity of the aurora under our control."
~ Thomas W. Knox, The Voyage of the Vivian, 1884

Hmmmm..not quite there yet! ::) ;D

That kind of total mystery would have added a good measure of awe and fear to the sky show.  No wonder they tracked the various displays so carefully.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 09 January 2013, 07:30:37
Nd / N'd is noted in http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3191.msg51631#msg51631 ;)

Don't forget that transcribing the remarks is optional, but we are delighted you are willing to do it!

I am willing for sure, but OTOH in the same time that I need to decipher DeLongs writing I could do 3-4 pages of weather reports. It's all a matter of priorities! If those anecdotes are important I will transcribe them, but otherwise I might rather focus on the weather to get this ship done ASAP.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 09 January 2013, 07:38:43

That kind of total mystery would have added a good measure of awe and fear to the sky show.  No wonder they tracked the various displays so carefully.

They didn't until DeLong took over in late December! He seems obsessed with auroras. So far there's little info regarding the ice, with very few exceptions, and even less about the soundings. I think it was just a side show for him. If they had a general order to describe auroras as meticulously as he does, the others would have done the same, but they didn't. 
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 January 2013, 07:47:10
Don't forget that it is not an "all or nothing" situation.

If you transcribe, you have to transcribe as written - you can't summarize.
But, you can transcribe only interesting watches and/or interesting sections of watches (please enter each section as a separate event to make it clear that there is a gap in the text).
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 09 January 2013, 07:58:27
There are three of us recording and there's no point of all of us recording the same events. I have been recording anything to do with the ice, including the movement of the floes. Jil is also picking up events we haven't mentioned. I have stopped recording condemned food.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 09 January 2013, 08:04:25
I've never transcribed complete pages, only the interesting parts. And it was never an issue until DeLong. Even then it wouldn't be a problem if it were easier to read like the entries of the other officers.  :( I'm in mid January 1880 now. And I think I will change my modus operandi from now on. There's not only the Jeanette. Sorry, George!

@gastcra: wait until you are in late December! Then we talk!  ;)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 09 January 2013, 08:05:25
I suspect that there is a scientific log book lurking on the Jeannette. We probably just get what they would ordinarily pop into a ship's log book ::)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 09 January 2013, 08:37:44
I've never transcribed complete pages, only the interesting parts. And it was never an issue until DeLong. Even then it wouldn't be a problem if it were easier to read like the entries of the other officers.  :( I'm in mid January 1880 now. And I think I will change my modus operandi from now on. There's not only the Jeanette. Sorry, George!

@gastcra: wait until you are in late December! Then we talk!  ;)

It's harder to read, I agree, but it's like Times New Roman compared the Blenheim - the first ship I transcribed. I will certainly be selective in what I record.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_217_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 09 January 2013, 08:45:46
Clewi,
If the ship's histories are going to be edited as the RN logs are being at the moment (Mods, do we know if this is going to happen?), then the editor will pick up anything of interest even if all 3 transcribers ignore it. So don't feel guilty if you decide not to transcribe everything. You are a volunteer and it's supposed to be fun!

I'm not transcribing everything but I appear to have an obsession with lists - especially of food  ;D

Speaking of which ......
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 January 2013, 08:50:36
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It's harder to read, I agree, but it's like Times New Roman compared the Blenheim - the first ship I transcribed. I will certainly be selective in what I record.
;D ;D ;D
I remember Blenheim!
The writing was bad, but the scan quality was worse - too small!!!
And every ship noted every time it did anything. :P :P :P
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 09 January 2013, 08:51:53
That's the point. I don't mind doing this at all, after all some of those entries are really cool. I just figured that the weather reports are the top priority here. But I'm now down to 3-4 log-days per real time day, much slower than usual. Finishing the log at this pace will take a while. Hence my question how important it really is and how I should set my priorities. I do as I'm told!  ;)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 09 January 2013, 09:07:04
Complete list of Stores received from Schooner Fanny A. Hyde at St. Michaels Alaska and St. Lawrence Bay Siberia

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_090_1.jpg
2 cases corn meal2 c pumpkin4 c haddock1 c currant jelly
35lbs flour3 c carrots1 c cod fish1 c olive oil
45lbs Pilot bread4 c beets2c Finan Haddies1 c medium beans
71 c roast mutton3 c Carolina rice1 c clam chowder3 c Bartlett pears
1 c barley
14 c corn beef 19 c Gr. Rio. coffee1 c kidneys4 c gooseberries
26 c beef soup16 c Ra. Rio coffee7 c sausage1 c apple jelly
11 c turkey1 box chocolate1 c chicken soup1 c julienne soup
10 c chicken20 c extra C. Sugar1 c dried peaches1 c fresh apples
2 c roast veal7 c cut loaf sugar 1 c tomatoes (special)1/2 bbl lard
3 c tongue1 sack salt1 c okra100 tons coal
2 c bacon1 c raisins1 c string beans
4 c boneless ham11 chests tea (1/2 ch)13 c mutton broth
3 c oxtail soup1 bx mustard,pepper1 c vegetable soup
2 bbls mutton suet4 bx cheese1 c almonds, vermicelli, groceries
3 c mock turtle soup1 c prunes1 c oatmeal, split peas
14 c oatmeal1 hlf bbl apple butter7 c macaroni
10 c hominy1 hlf bbl peach butter1 c Graham flour, Barley
13 c dessicated potatoes1 hlf bbl quince butter1 c lima beans
40 c tomatoes1 c dried apples1 c peaches
13 c corn1 c dried peas1 c raspberries
14 c succotash9 bx S.W. soap1 c pickles
6 c green peas3 c Ex. beef3 c chutney
7 c turnips1 c Salmon 1 c greengages
1 c onions3 c mackerel 2 c damsons

The following named articles were given to the schooner; viz. 2 cases mutton. 1 case tomatoes. 1 keg butter.

(I hope that was a large box of chocolates or it's not going to go very far!)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 January 2013, 09:12:52
Yes, the weather reports are the top priority here. How much or how little you do of the events is up to you. The official word is: "Do what interests you" - though we do ask for sea ice, animals, ships, people, places, and refueling ;)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 09 January 2013, 09:31:22
Nice list, Jil  8)

Pilot bread sounds interesting. Since air travel had not yet been invented I guess this is for the navigator (along with the chocolates).  ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 09 January 2013, 09:38:13
Yes, the weather reports are the top priority here. How much or how little you do of the events is up to you. The official word is: "Do what interests you" - though we do ask for sea ice, animals, ships, people, places, and refueling ;)

Okay, I  have ~2 hours per day. I will continue transcribing the ice reports (crack here, pressure there), and other things like animals as requested, and as I already did all the time, but will omit the astronomical stuff unless it's something really cool like the examples that I have posted before here in this thread. In this case I will also add these reports to the natural phenomena thread as usual.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 09 January 2013, 09:55:01
We can split the ice reports if you want. I can do the odd days. If you do them all, I won't bother doing them.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 09 January 2013, 10:14:44
I can do them all, no problem. It's not that I'm trying to take any shortcuts here. Providing that I didn't overlook any of them my ice reports should be complete so far. Except for ice drift directions, I think. But that's covered by their ingenious celestial nav methods. The question is if it makes sense to copy them to a thread here so you can check what I have done, close the ~-gaps or in case that I have forgotten one or something. Just a suggestion.

Ice reports, DeLong-style:

15.1.1880:
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At noon the ice cracked within 20 feet of the starboard Side of the Ship, causing her to move one eighth of a point in azimuth. The opening increased to ~ feet in width, and extended around the bow and ahead of the ship in one direction, and in the other around the stem at the distance of 100 yards. By 3 PM the opening was eight feet in width on the Starboard Side, with a crack on the port side indicating an opening which occured at 6 PM. General direction of ice movement to East and South.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_014_1.jpg

16.1.1880:
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At 2.30 the opening in the floe on the Starboard Side of the ship began to close, the newly formed ice breaking with ~, and the usual grinding noise as the two floe edges came together. No movement to the ship except repeated jars and tremblings as the pressure caught her under water body. At 3 the ice was again in motion; and frequent shocks were experienced during the forenoon.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_015_1.jpg

Scary!
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 09 January 2013, 11:06:04
Scary indeed.

This brings up the perennially unanswered question of what the science team really wants from this type of information. I can understand them wanting reports on the ice as they sail in open waters from place to place. This can give some idea of the extent of ice in that vicinity. But are the very local conditions of a ship "beset" in ice as the floe drifts slowly NW of Herald Is. of any real interest, other than the threat it holds for the Jeannette and crew? In other words, this is possibly interesting to historians but perhaps not so much to the scientists?
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 09 January 2013, 11:15:42
It's exactly the same problem as with the auroras. Perhaps one of the pros could chime in here. Until then I will continue transcribing this stuff, better safe than sorry. Again, this isn't about taking shortcuts, but setting priorities.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 January 2013, 12:57:17
Scary indeed.

This brings up the perennially unanswered question of what the science team really wants from this type of information. I can understand them wanting reports on the ice as they sail in open waters from place to place. This can give some idea of the extent of ice in that vicinity. But are the very local conditions of a ship "beset" in ice as the floe drifts slowly NW of Herald Is. of any real interest, other than the threat it holds for the Jeannette and crew? In other words, this is possibly interesting to historians but perhaps not so much to the scientists?

I have passed this on to the PTB ;)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 09 January 2013, 13:00:02
Thanks, Randi.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 January 2013, 13:04:14
It's exactly the same problem as with the auroras. Perhaps one of the pros could chime in here. Until then I will continue transcribing this stuff, better safe than sorry. Again, this isn't about taking shortcuts, but setting priorities.

As far as I know, no one has mentioned a special interest in auroras.
If they are happening very frequently I wouldn't record everything.
You could record only the really spectacular cases and/or just pick out one sentence to indicate that there were auroras.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 09 January 2013, 13:22:54
As far as I know, no one has mentioned a special interest in auroras.

That's why I was asking in the first place. It wasn't an issue until I got bogged down by George, though.

If they are happening very frequently I wouldn't record everything.
You could record only the really spectacular cases and/or just pick out one sentence to indicate that there were auroras.

This is what I am going to do.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 09 January 2013, 15:01:36
Yay! Right on to the next problem!  :o They now take measurements by both the mercurial and spirit thermometers at the same time and write the results in all four columns. Not sure which is which and how to enter it correctly!

Here it starts at 11 PM:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_016_0.jpg

And continues:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_017_0.jpg

And probably so on. Dunno!
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 January 2013, 15:41:33
If you have 2 air dry bulb temperatures on one line, you would make a normal record with all the data and the first air dry bulb temperature and then make a second record, on the same line, with just the hour and the second air dry bulb temperature.

If I understand correctly, all 4 readings are air dry bulb temperatures? (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_017_1.jpg)

In this case, I will ask the PTB if we should simply follow that logic or not.

I see that on the 20'th (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_019_0.jpg) they just do Spirit.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 09 January 2013, 15:43:15
Might be dry and wet. Not sure.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 January 2013, 15:54:18
I see spirit only doesn't last long!

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_017_1.jpg - makes it sound as if they are all the same type - and there were no wet bulb readings before that - but I agree - let the PTB decide what they are
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 09 January 2013, 16:01:59
Hmmmm...so what do I do now? Seems like it will go on like this until it gets warmer again.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 09 January 2013, 18:26:19
The thermometers seem to track each other OK at this temperature range. (I dropped the minus signs)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 January 2013, 18:29:55
Here is the reply on the subject of Sea Ice:

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It is very hard to say - though ultimately none of the detail is wasted effort - even here we see remarks about the ice being in motion and the direction. This can tell us a lot about the regional  state of the ice in light of now fairly well understood physics. There will be some entries I imagine that describe the thickness of the upturned blocks of ice during ridging events or the formation of melt pools etc. The color of the ice tells us something about its age... I guess I'd offer that we're excited to get as much detail as possible, but if it isn't fun for a person then anything from 'there is ice here' on would be fine. Be assured though that there is so little information accessible now that every bit is interesting.

Kevin
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 09 January 2013, 18:45:37
Oh yeah, just recently I got this:

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At 7 there was a slight movement to the ice ahead of the ship. Early daylight at 6.55 am. Measurement of portions of the ice floe broken off and turned up in the last pressure gave a thickness of 46 inches and this is the result of direct freezing since November 28th. 1879.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_016_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 10 January 2013, 01:07:38
Nice. January 17th - so 2+ months of ice accumulation yet. It'll be interesting to see if they report something in the neighborhood of 72 inches by the end of March (or more).
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 10 January 2013, 06:57:02
Hmmmm...so what do I do now? Seems like it will go on like this until it gets warmer again.

Since there are up to 4 dry bulb air readings and no readings for attached, wet and sea, it seems to me the simplest thing to do is to record them exactly as they are in the log. We only need to be able to indicate the revised column headings to the science team.

The graph I posted indicates that the spirit thermometers reflect the same movement as the mecurial ones so one of the spirit readings can be used as a proxy for the mecurial when the latter is missing, using a constant adjustment factor. It doesn't matter which spirit thermometer is used as a proxy.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 10 January 2013, 07:05:16
Normally we make an extra record when there are multiple readings of one type - like we did for Yukon.
I suspect that the advice will be to create one normal record with the first temperature and then create 3 more with just the hour and one of the other temperatures. However, Craig's idea is certainly a possibility.
I think the best thing would be to wait to hear from Philip.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 10 January 2013, 07:24:40
I hope Philip will go for my suggestion. I don't relish piling up four boxes for each hour.

Ever since there has been no attached thermometer reading there has been a note at the top of the dry column: "Reduced to 32 degrees F". I haven't been recording this.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 10 January 2013, 08:42:22
It's not just the four readings. Since a while they measured water temp again at noon and with the four dry (?) readings they enter it as an extra entry.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 10 January 2013, 10:12:08
Then they might decide that only one spirit thermometer reading is sufficient. They are likely only going to use one of them as a proxy anyway.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: philip.brohan on 10 January 2013, 12:15:01
Hmm, interesting.

 Alcohol thermometers are (historically) less desirable than mercury thermometers, as they are less accurate. however mercury thermometers have a problem in severe Arctic conditions: mercury freezes at -38.8C (much the same number in F). Some Arctic expeditions in the 1820s found a big variation in the temperatures recorded by their alcohol thermometers under very cold conditions (when the mercury thermometers had stopped working). So my guess is that someone on the Jeannette has been reading accounts of Parry's old expeditions and thought 'if we must cope with these brass monkey conditions we might as well do some scientific experiments', and dug out all the thermometers he's got to hand. I don't know whether to be more suspicious or impressed by the mercury temperatures down to -50F - I don't see how you can get anything useful from a mercury thermometer below the freezing point of mercury. Still, as Craig has impressively noted they all seem to track each other well - presumably alcohol thermometers had improved a lot since the 1820s.

Anyway, what should we do with them - I vote for doing what someone who didn't read the forum would do - enter them into the form as air, bulb, sst etc (as Craig and Randi suggest). I'll make a note that they need to be treated unusually.

I think the coldest temperature I've ever experienced is about -35C (-31F), and I didn't hang around long in that. -50F! Now that's cold.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 10 January 2013, 12:35:58
It's not just the four readings. Since a while they measured water temp again at noon and with the four dry (?) readings they enter it as an extra entry.

I think that in this case the best thing to do would be to do make a second entry on the same line with just the hour and the water temperature.

Please add a brief summary of the dates that had the mixed up data to the topic Type What You See - Questions and Comments (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3192.0) so that Philip can keep track.
What I saw was a fairly brief period, but it may well happen again.

Thanks for alerting the scientists and checking how to to handle it!
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 11 January 2013, 17:37:59
Oh Scotty, where art thou?

19. January, 1880
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At 1.30 AM there was a loud noise as of the cracking of the ships frame by great ice pressure. The noise was very loud in two places; abreast the mizen mast on the starboard side and forward of the foremast. Examination of the ice surrounding the ship showed no movement to have occasioned it, and it was supposed by the Commanding officer that the noises might have been caused by the drawing of some of the ship's fastenings on account of the intense cold. At 7.45 Am the wind having shifted from NNW to West, the pack commenced to move with the usual grinding noise. The greatest pressure was on the line of an old break running across the ships bow from W to E. The floe on the port side of the ship (to the E'd) was bulged up and broken in many places and the floe on the edge of the old break was piled up against the ships Stem, causing a great longitudinal pressure. At 10.30 AM water was discovered in the fire room flowing from forward. An immediate examination showed two streams of water about an inch in diameter entering the forw peak through the solid filling placed in the bows at the Mare Island Navy Yard. The forward deck pumps were immediately rigged and manned, and steam raised in the port boiler to work the steam pump. There was a depth of 18 inches of water in the fore peak, 24 inches of water in the Store rooms next abaft it, and 36 inches in the forehold.

While one watch worked the bilge pump, the other watch broke out the fore peak, the floor room, and the forehold; being able to hold their own with the water by steady pumping. Difficulty was found in filling the boiler, the sea cocks being frozen fast; but it was done by pouring water from the bilge (then 15 inches deep) through the man hole plates in the top of the boiler. The temperature of the Engine room being  -25o Fah. a long time was required to get the pump in condition to take water. At 3 PM the pump being ready, the flood gates in the forward water tight bulkhead were opened and a flow of water permitted. The limbers under the coal bunkers seemed to be frozen, or choked in some other way for but little water would pass through. Such as did came through was pumped out through the fire hose on the spar deck to the outside floe. As the steam pump suction was on the port side, and the ship had a heel of 2.5o  to Stbd. the steam pump would take water only when it flowed over the main Kelson; and sufficient water to do this came aft only once or twice in the course of an hour. Kept all hands on deck working the pump until midnight when one watch was permitted to go below. Oakum was driven in at every space in the solid 1.27 bow filling through which water came, but as the lower part would be filled, water would come through above, and when finally the after side of the filling was stuffed so full of oakum and tallow that but a little water dipped through, the water was forced out through the ceiling. Seeming to come up from the space between the planking and ceiling. Men were engaged in digging away the ice under the bow to get at the injury if possible, but upon removing the piled up floe pieces, water flowed and froze over the main floe to such a depth as prevented continuance of the work. Until the injury can be seen and determined, nothing more than an opinion can be expressed on to its nature. But from the steady flow of water, its locality, and in view of the great pressure experienced, it may be taken for granted that the fore foot is broken and bent aside springing off the garboard strakes with it. Sufficient pressures have been exerted under and against the stem to lift the ship 2 inches forward.

Early daylight at 6.50 AM. No soundings taken at noon. Considerable ice movement from time to time during the day, and an almost continuous heavy pressure against the ship on all sides.
     

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_018_1.jpg

20. January 1880

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As the limber holes under the coal bunkers remained frozen or otherwise choked to such an extend as to prevent the ready flow of water aft to the steam pump, it was decided at the beginning of these twenty four hours to remove an auxiliary steam pump from the engine room to the old galley room, over the chain lockers, and by running a line of piping from the main boiler to it, and attaching a suction pipe leading into the flour room, pump out sufficient water to enable us to build a bulkhead across the fore peak which would control the flow of water to such an extent as to permit the occasional using of the bilge pump keeping the ship free. Work was immediately commenced on this auxiliary pump, and it was placed in the old galley room, and necessary repairs were made to it. After it was in place an attempt was made to run it by the Baxter Boiler, but it was found that the pump was too large for the capacity of the boiler, exhausting it almost immediately, and the plan was abandoned. Engineer force was then employed to fit and run the line of steam piping to get steam from the main boiler through the steam whistle pipe. The work is not complete at midnight. While this work was going on the remainder of the crew were kept at work by watches in pumping the water out by the forward bilge pump on deck, being able to keep the water under control, and even occasionally getting the water down to 12 inches. Such water as flowed aft to the Engine Room was at once pumped out by the steam pump there, and towards the close of the day the flow was freer, enabling us to use the steam pump in Engine Room for 15 minutes in every half hour. All the sea cocks being frozen fast in their Seats the boiler is blown as occasion requires into the bilge, and is fed from the bilge. Broke out the Starboard chain locker, and moved a lot of provisions aft on Quarter-Deck. Discontinued using Baxter Boiler to distill water, being able to distill below in the Engine Room, and requiring all the pipe connections of the Baxter Boiler to lead Steam from Steam whistle pipe to auxiliary pump forward.

Considerable ice movement and pressure during the day. The ship is heeled 3o to Starboard and the floe in which She is embedded has swung one and a quarter points in azimuth. Light breezes from between S + W all day with slowly falling barometer and Slightly rising temperature. The movement of the ice seems to be to the E'd. Then are numerous ridges in sight where the floes have been broken and piled up upon coming in contact. The floe around the ship remains the same as yesterday but when  pressed yields in heavy surges which causes the ship to crack and scrape. A careful examination shows no signs of anything having given away below, and every reason for the opinion of yesterday that the fore foot has been sprung off starting the garboard strakes.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_019_1.jpg

21. January 1880

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By 1 am the work of running steam piping to the auxiliary pump forward from the main boiler by way of the whistle pipe was completed and an attempt was made to send steam through it, but the steam whistle pipe being frozen none would pass. Took down and thawed pipe and tried again getting the pump to work. Found the suction pipe too small, and substituted the main engine bilge suction pipe for it. This was completed at 7 am and the auxiliary steam pump set to work performing well, keeping the water in check. As the water flowed more freely to the Engine room pump that was run about half the time also; and the fore peak was thus kept free enough to build a small bulkhead resting on the cant frames fast abaft the bow filling constructed at Mare Island and checking the flow of water in that places. As at times the suction pipe of the auxiliary pump got the water down to the sucking point, plugs were driven in the forward bulkhead of the fore hold to keep the water from flowing aft to the engine room to proceed to make the necessary forfarrings and fittings for connecting the forward spar deck hand bilge pump to the Baxter Boiler 2 FP Engine.

Considerable ice movement from noon to 10 am with heavy pressure causing severe shocks to the ship. No gain in the leak is observed as a result of the shocks. Ship heeling 3o  to Starboard.


http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_020_1.jpg

22. January 1880
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As the water was becoming low enough to work beneficially in the fore peak commenced cutting and fitting planking for the erection of a water tight bulkhead across the fore peak 1 1/3 feet forward of the foremast, but holes in the ceiling above berth deck on each side and packed down in the spaces between frames as much ashes picked felt as they would take. Water seeing good effect towards the close of the day. The steam auxiliary pump was kept going almost continuously. Found a break in the suction pipe and repaired it. added two lengths of pipe to it so as have a piece of suction pipe laying horizontally in the bilge, and we found the pump to draw more water than before. Up to noon the steam pump in Engine Room was run about half the time. Sufficient thawing or other clearing in the limbers under coal bunkers having taken place to permit the water accumulating there to flow aft. After noon only sufficient water came aft to after pump to supply the boiler and blow it. In addition to tending the boiler and steam pumps the Engineer Force was employed in making forgings for the prepared connections to Baxter Engine, and in making a boring bar and band and a pulley to fit the shaft of the Edison Electric Dynamic Machine to be used on a counter shaft to run the hand Bilge pump when the connections are made to the Baxter Engine.

Upon attempting to resume the daily soundings it was found that a solid floe piece had shoved under the Fire hold at a depth of four feet, completely closing it from below so that no lead could be got through. This would be a proof that the floe, while in its advance had caused so much longitudinal pressure and strain on the ship, had passed under the floe in which the ship is embedded, breaking perhaps the fore foot in passing.

The depth of water in the Ship to day is as follows.

                                                                              At 8 am     At 4 am              At midnight
At step of foremast                                                         22 inches  18 1/4 inches   19 inches
At auxiliary pump suction. Just forward of chain lockers 24 "           21 1/4 "           19 "
At after bulkhead Fore Hold                                            26 "           27 "                 19  "
At Fire room bilge                                                           16 "           20   "               19 1/2  "

Ship heeling 3o  to Starboard

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_021_1.jpg

23. January 1880
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The auxiliary pump is kept going all the time, and the steam pump in the Engine Room is working about one half the time. Work progressing on the bulkhead across the forv. peak and at midnight all but one upright plank is in place. Left this one plank and in order to secure a passage way while stringers and braces are bolted in place abaft the bulkhead to enable it to withstand pressure. Early in the morning shoved down plaster of paris in the spaces between frames forward of the bulkhead, hoping that the action of the water on it will turn it into a kind of cement. Also poured in ashes and picked felt. The construction of the gearing for connecting hand bilge pump with Baxter Boiler and Engine is completed, but cannot be used until the completion of the bulkhead and the successful choking of the spaces between frames make it possible to keep the ship by the deck bilge pump alone.

A careful calculation of the performance of the auxiliary steam pump and the main steam pump gives the following result: Amount of water pumped by Auxiliary pump her hour= 1608 galls.
Running one half time "   "   "   "   "  Main "  " = 2055 "
As we hold the water in check the leak per hour   = 3663 "

The depth of water in the ship to day is as follows:                 At 8 Am           At 4 Pm          At Midnight
At step of foremast                                                        21 1/2 inches   19 1/2 inches  19 inches
At auxiliary pump suction. Just forward of chain lockers          23 1/2 "           21 1/2 "          18  "
At after bulkhead Fore hold                                                  24 "                 26 1/2 "          18 "
At the Fire room bilge                                                          10 "                 14 "               20 "

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_022_1.jpg

24. January 1880

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The Auxiliary pump is kept going all the time and the Engine Room pump about one half the time, keeping the water in check and occasionally gaining a little on it. Finished the construction of the bulkhead by midnight, ready for caulking. The cinders and ashes, and plaster of paris not seeming to get down sufficiently low to choke up all spaces between frames it is decided to cut away the ceiling above and below the the bilge strakes to give easier access to the Spaces. Work progresses slowly because of ~ having but two men able to properly handle tools and fit materials. Cut through the floe in two places to get Soundings but at a depth of four feet came to another floe which has shoved under it. Water flowing up prevents cutting through this second floe.

The depth of water in the ship to day    8 Am               4 Pm        Midnight
At step of foremast                       16 1/2 inches   19 inches  19 inches
At auxiliary pump suction                    17 1/4 "           18 "          18  "
At after bulkhead Fore hold                  27 1/2 "          26  "         24 "
At the Fire room bilge                          18 "                12 "          12 "

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_023_1.jpg

25. January 1880

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The pumps are kept going the same as yesterday. Caulked the forward bulkhead.

The depth of water in the ship to day                             At 8 Am           At 4 Pm    At Midnight
At step of foremast                                                16 3/4 inches   18 inches  18 inches
At auxiliary pump suction. Just forward of chain lockers  20 3/4 "           18 "          19  "
At after bulkhead Fore hold                                           23 1/2 "           22  "        25 "
At the Fire room bilge                                                   16 "                 15 "         10 "

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_024_1.jpg

26. January 1880

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The auxiliary Steam pump is kept going all the time, and the Steam pump in the Engine Room about one half the time. Moved the Baxter Engine and boiler to forward part of deck house and connected it with the gearing arranged to Spar deck bilge pump. Tried the apparatus and found it to work well. Pumping about the same amount of water as the auxiliary Steam pump. The two carpenters engaged in removing ceiling in fore peak above and below bilge strake on each side, preparat~ to filling up spaces between frames with plaster of paris and ashes.

Depth of water in the ship to day                                    At 8 Am     At 4 Pm    At Midnight
At step of Foremast                                                 17 inches   19 inches  14 inches
At auxiliary pump suction. Just forward of chain lockers   21 "           18 "          15  "
At after bulkhead Fore hold                                           23 "          *07  "        *2 "
At the Fire room bilge                                                   10 1/2 "      16 "         18 "

* Just before 4 PM the water began to flow aft more heavily, owing to the thawing or other draining of the limbers under coal bunkers.
....

Sounded at noon in 30 fms muddy bottom. No drift indicated. We succeded in cutting through the ice to get this sounding at same distance from the ship. 150 yards. 


http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_025_1.jpg

27. January 1880

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At 2 and 3 am and at 2, 3, 5, 8, 9 and 11 PM the ice was in motion near the ship to the S'd x W'd, communicating pressure to the floe by which the ship is Surrounded and nipping the vessel at times Severely. No change in the amount of leak is observed as a result of these nips, the Strain Seeming to be exerted on the quarters. The work of stuffing oakum, plaster of paris ~ in the spaces between frames, and in spaces between frames and ceiling has been successful to the extent of materially diminishing the amount of water flowing into the ship. The limber holes having become materially thawed out, the incoming water flowed aft so freely to the Sewell pump in the Engine Room that at the beginning of this day the auxiliary pump forward ceased to take water and was stopped. By Keeping the Sewell pump going all the time the Ship was kept free to the extent of holding the water in check. Calculation of the work done by the pump gives 2250 gallons per hour, which may be taken as the amount of the leak to day as against 3663 gallons per hour on the 23rd ~.

Water in Fire Room Bilge    8am            4 pm          Midnight      
                                   18 inches    20 inches    16 inches

Work of filling up all spaces between frames ~ is continued all day.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_026_1.jpg

To be continued.....
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 11 January 2013, 18:15:53
I couldn't help reading about this exciting drama even though I am still transcribing December. Good job, Clewi.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 11 January 2013, 18:27:47
You're hot on my heels! Once you get ahead of me you can do the transcription!  ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 11 January 2013, 18:48:13
I think the very cold temperatures must always be viewed with some circumspection. The freezing point of mercury was pretty well established by this time (though the history of the Royal Navy's experience in the Arctic might have been somewhat different - and our President would have a different desk in the Oval Office - if Sir Edward Belcher had not decided it was necessary to 'purify' his mercury by boiling it on his cabin stove on the way to testing that question). But I digress.

Attached is a graph of the field calibrations carried out on the Kane expedition which shows just how wonky it can get when it gets really chilly, and conversely, how all the instruments converge toward the nearest calibration point (32 F / 0 C) that was available at the time. The multiple readings from the JEANNETTE thermometers would likewise be interesting as we can learn something about their relative performance. Green of New York was one of the most respected instrument makers of the day, so I'd say these would be fairly high quality thermometers.

The 'tracking' of frozen mercury and alcohol at low temperature is understandable, and was noticed by a number of Arctic explorers. The temperature response of mercury gets non-linear as it freezes but (like liquid alcohol) will nevertheless expand/contract in the right direction as the temperature goes up and down (though as the graph shows calibration is right out the window)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 11 January 2013, 19:57:57
Is this the range of temperatures for 5 different thermometers at various temperatures, Kevin?  So the the black one shows a median temperature of of -70 when the correct temperature was -68? 
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 11 January 2013, 20:15:16
You're hot on my heels! Once you get ahead of me you can do the transcription!  ;D

I don't want to spoil your fun, Clewi, but when I searched a bit of text from your transcription I came up with this http://www.archive.org/stream/cihm_14142/cihm_14142_djvu.txt

Full text of "The voyage of the Jeannette [microform] : the ship and ice journals of George W. De Long, lieutenant-commander U.S.N. and commander of the Polar expedition of 1879-1881"


The good news is that we don't have to keep trying to read De Long's handwriting (except for the sections on the ice conditions).
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 11 January 2013, 20:23:02
It is a mix of 11 mercury and alcohol thermometers. The number is the median and the whiskers are the extrema. The fact is, I made this graph probably ten years ago, so the details are a bid vague now - but there is certainly a wide spread from instrument to instrument (~25 degrees max in the first case). Later on Green did make some very exotic minimum thermometers that were said to perform very well. There is a picture of the ones used on the Greely expedition 1881-1883 here: http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/BAMS-87-12-1685 (these are at the Smithsonian Institution). These had different liquids in them, some alcohol and some odd-sounding chemical concoctions.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 11 January 2013, 20:36:22
So we can't really say what the 'correct' temperature was in that example. Best guess, T +/- 5 or 10 degrees or so at the cold end, would be the mean of the alcohol thermometers (as we know the mercury ones were frozen and useless). Those bounds narrow as the temperature exceeds -38 and reach a minimum at 32F (calibration point based on a water/ice bath). I would have to re-plot that graph with the mercury ones excluded to say more about the minimum temperature.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 11 January 2013, 20:44:01

I don't want to spoil your fun, Clewi, but when I searched a bit of text from your transcription I came up with this http://www.archive.org/stream/cihm_14142/cihm_14142_djvu.txt

Full text of "The voyage of the Jeannette [microform] : the ship and ice journals of George W. De Long, lieutenant-commander U.S.N. and commander of the Polar expedition of 1879-1881"


The good news is that we don't have to keep trying to read De Long's handwriting (except for the sections on the ice conditions).

Wait...what?! I thought this is a different book, not the log book. Has the log book been transcribed in the past already? Perhaps I should just work to rule here.  ::)

Re the thermometers, the recordings are quite chaotic at times, in January 1880 at least, changing columns mid-day etc. I'm keeping an Excel-file to keep track of the changes of thermometers and their assigned columns. Just a week so far. Will post it here later. 
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 11 January 2013, 21:11:30
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Wait...what?! I thought this is a different book, not the log book. Has the log book been transcribed in the past already? Perhaps I should just work to rule here.    ::)

Not even close - according to the preface, that volume is George's private journals edited by his wife, and contains no weather reading numbers at all.  To to check, I looked up the comments on New Year's Day, 1880.

Our log:  http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_219_1.jpg

The published journal:  http://www.archive.org/stream/cihm_14142/cihm_14142_djvu.txt page 207:
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1880, f/???^r<n/ \st, Thursday. ? The l)irth of the new
year was annovmced by the rapid ringing of the ship's
bell by the man on watch, and the crew, all assembled
on the quarter deck, gave three cheers for the " Jean-
nette," and sent a deputation of two men into the cabin
to wish us all a happy New Year. The year opened
clear and pleasant. The temperature began at minus
24", but at four a. m. it dropped suddenly to minus Sif,
and by eleven a. m. ii had reached minus 89^, running
along at that steadily until midnight, when it reached
minus 89.5?. The temperature was probably lower, but
the mercurial thermometers began to freeze, and the
spirit thermometers did not record accurately at this
point.

At three a. m. we had a lunar circle showing faint
mock moons, the lowest mock moon very bright.
Through the real and two lateral mock moons a curved
line passed toward the horizon. At nine P. m. a blood-
red halo around the moon. Early daylight at 8.14 A. M.
Sounded at noon in 30i fathoms. Owing to the low
temperature and strong wind blowing, 1 suspended for
the day the operation of my regulation making every-
body leave the ship and exercise on the ice from eleven
A. yi. to one p. m.

At three p. m. everybody sat down to a capital din-
ner, and afterward we got ready for the minstrel per-
formance in the evening. Our men had rallied from
their failure to get up one for Christmas, and seemed
determined to make this entertainment good enough
for both occasions. During the day invitations wore
sent aft, accompanied by prograiiunes. At 8.30 one of
the men came to the cabin and invited us into the deck-
house. Entering, we found n nice little stage erected
with drop-curtain, footlights, etc., and tastily decorated
with Hags. The performance commenced with a min-
strel variety, jokes and conundrums sivndwiching in
with the songs. One conundrum was eivcellent (point-
ing to one r!* ' .e stanchions of the deck-house) : '? Why
is that stanchion like Mr. James Gordon Bennett ? Be-
cause it supports the house." Sweetnum ;< songs were
very good, aiul Kuehne's violin solo was fine indeed,
especially when one takes iito consideration the ^act
that a seaman's life .loes not serve to render the fin-
gers supple and delicate. Mr. Cole gave us a jig with
all the gravity of a judge. One of the features of the
evening was the reading of a prologue composed by
Mr. Collins, in which each one of the crew was made the
subject of a rhyme in turn. Alexey and Aneguin gave
us native dances, and the latter an imitation of a song
sung by our Chinamen. The Chinamen gave us their
native song, and a sham light with knives and a pole,
winding up by imitiiting with much contempt Alexey's
and Aneguin's manner of singing and dancing.

Instead of shadow pictures we had tableaux vlvantSy
'? Neptune " (Cole turning a wheel, our broken spare one,
moimted on a camp stool) ; '? Sailors mourning over a
dead marine" (two sailors mute with grief over an
empty brandy-bottle); "A glimpse at Vulcan" (our
prize blacksnuth, Dressier) ; "? Queen Anne " (Aneguin
? Anne Gwyne ? Queen Anne); '"Is that a bear I
se??" (Alexey with dog, aiming at some unseen ob-
ject); "Mars" (inan on cr.'^ches) ; "'Taking an ob-
servation" (man drinking out of uplifted bottle), were
all capital. When, the perfornuince over, we broke up
at eleven o'clock, we all felt satisfied alike with the
ship, the minstrels, ourselves, and the manner in which
we had celebrated the first day of the year of our
Lord IS.SO.

Clearly a computer reading from a very old printed book, but much wordier than ours.  Maybe be glad he saved his need to describe everything for his private journals? Oh, the transcribing we are missing!!  ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 11 January 2013, 21:30:45
Aneguin = Queen Anne? And I thought that I suck at transcribing! LMAO! So nobody cared about these accounts and data until now? Very sad!   
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 11 January 2013, 21:34:22
Very clearly true.  I'm thinking we need to do everything weather and ice completely, because this personal journal has no human transcription at all, and is looking almost entirely at maintaining a working crew in this frigid isolation.  Not that that isn't also interesting.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 11 January 2013, 21:44:26
If I could get my hands on the original journal (or scans rather), I would give it a try. But I fear that even now nobody cares about it. If it weren't for the weather data......
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 11 January 2013, 23:11:19
Clewi, do some shopping in Google Books, Open Library, Internet Archive, Project Gutenberg and other carriers of ebooks before going into despair.  An enormous number of old library books have been scanned and put online by university libraries, to preserve their own literary wealth from crumbling to pieces as the paper gets too old.  Once I find a copy I can copy/paste (impossible on microfiche files), I mostly stop looking.

See this to see the number of projects out there: http://archive.org/projects/
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 12 January 2013, 10:11:16
If I'm not mistaken some (all) of the officers journals are at the National Archives (in a different record group). If so we will probably be able to photograph and post them during the editing phase for anyone who wants to have a look. There is much of historical interest in these other journals - particularly about the idea of the trans-polar drift later picked up by Nansen. What else we don't know. There are suggestions out there that the old published versions were edited for 19th c. sensibilities so there may be some interesting details.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 12 January 2013, 11:53:30
Call me naive, but I was under the impression that at least the accounts of famous expeditions like this one have been worked on in the past already. During the last few hours I googled a bit and learned that actually very little material from before the age of the typewriter (about 1920) is properly transcribed. And that OldWeather is apparently one of the more sophisticated and well organized amateur projects so far. I had no idea how bleak the situation really is. But then, professional transcribing is expensive, and hobbyists with the knowledge, skill, stamina and especially the time to spare probably don't grow on trees either.

I also stumbled over some useful sites along the way. Not sure if they are known here already, but I post the links anyway - for your consideration:

Terminology from the Age of Sail:
http://www.ageofsail.net/aoshiptm.asp

Tips for Reading Old Handwriting
http://www.ancestry.com/wiki/index.php?title=Tips_for_Reading_Old_Handwriting

Palaeography: reading old handwriting
1500 - 1800 (a bit out of scope, but interesting nonetheless)
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/palaeography/default.htm

Old Handwriting Styles
http://www.genealogia.fi/faq/faq031e.htm




 
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 12 January 2013, 12:24:27
There are some published accounts about the JEANNETTE, as you know, but very little otherwise. What exists is heavily filtered, for the most part. Up until now one could only see most of these documents by going to the Archives in person, which is obviouly a constraint on access (but the best that could be done). This is one of the other great things about this project - the Archives will make all the photographs of the logbooks and journals, and all the other work the OW community does, available to the whole world, for free, all the time. What might be done with the great stories, photographs and other non-weather information we turn up is hard to imagine but if our short experience so far is any indication I wouldn't be surprised to see anthropologists, historians, plasma physicists, epidemiologists, ecologists .... working with this material in the future.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 12 January 2013, 12:34:15
Plasma physicists"  ???
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 12 January 2013, 13:00:38
Thanks, Clewi. :)

We have created a number of reference posts here over the years which are mostly parked in the FAQ section of the forum.  They are as complete as possible because forum members keep finding new, useful sites.  I had NOT added handwriting help before, so I put your 3 sites in.  Thank you!  As far a sailing terms go, we have gotten so many sites on those, I editing the vast list down to a few in the HISTORICAL BACKGROUND & RESEARCH TOOLS and the MISCELLANY sections.  And Randi started OWpedia (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3209.0) in the What Does THAT Mean? section which is great help.

I put the handwriting help in the MISCELLANY section of Helpful Links (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3209.0), but now am having second thoughts.  Do we want it down there, or way up top in its own section?

(An index, HELPFUL REFERENCE POSTS (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3302.0), of our big reference posts is several places)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 12 January 2013, 13:02:38
Plasma physicists"  ???

All those aurora borealis displays folks are reluctant to transcribe. ;)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 12 January 2013, 13:12:31
Of course!  :-[  I was thinking of ice and cold water.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 12 January 2013, 13:33:04

All those aurora borealis displays folks are reluctant to transcribe. ;)

Who? Me? Kept track of those all the time and still do! Just wanted to know if it's worth the effort or not.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 12 January 2013, 14:31:53
Not sure I'd want to transcribe alot about aurora except for maybe a flag or something about what they thought it was, spectacular events ... Maybe leave room for Zooniverse to host 'Old Aurora' someday ... Maybe we should ask someone with Solar Stormwatch now that I think about it. Though the old maxim always applies: do what interests you!
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 12 January 2013, 14:54:17
As far as Jeanette is concerned, they are all here:

http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=384.msg58069#msg58069

I update this from time to time.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 12 January 2013, 15:18:20
wow! what a stack load of post on the Jeannette. fascinating stuff folks! Her story was written in two huge volumes by Emma de Long based on his journals (Abebooks had an early vol 1 for sale for about $2000 recently (if I recall correctly))....and written for sale so it will be selective, though I imagine her recount of the happenings at the official inquest should be accurate as they were also reported in the NY Herald, of course.  Melville's journal was used to form another story. As far as I could find there's no recent authoritative review of this expedition. I think it's available as an e-book too.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 12 January 2013, 16:21:14

All those aurora borealis displays folks are reluctant to transcribe. ;)

Who? Me? Kept track of those all the time and still do! Just wanted to know if it's worth the effort or not.

 ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 12 January 2013, 16:31:05
I Clewi - managed to sort out a few of the odd words - see the red words below, and one or two typos (green).
Great bit of transcribing that you've done!
 ;D

Oh Scotty, where art thou?

19. January, 1880
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At 1.30 AM there was a loud noise as of the cracking of the ships frame by great ice pressure. The noise was very loud in two places; abreast the mizen mast on the starboard side and forward of the foremast. Examination of the ice surrounding the ship showed no movement to have occasioned it, and it was supposed by the Commanding officer that the noises might have been caused by the drawing of some of the ship's fastenings on account of the intense cold. At 7.45 Am the wind having shifted from NNW to West, the pack commenced to move with the usual grinding noise. The greatest pressure was on the line of an old break running across the ships bow from W to E. The floe on the port side of the ship (to the E'd) was bulged up and broken in many places and the floe on the edge of the old break was piled up against the ships Stem, causing a great longitudinal pressure. At 10.30 AM water was discovered in the fire room flowing from forward. An immediate examination showed two streams of water about an inch in diameter entering the fore peak through the solid filling placed in the bows at the Mare Island Navy Yard. The forward deck pumps were immediately rigged and manned, and steam raised in the port boiler to work the steam pump. There was a depth of 18 inches of water in the fore peak, 24 inches of water in the Starb rooms next abaft it, and 36 inches in the forehold.

While one watch worked the bilge pump, the other watch broke out the fore peak, the floor room, and the forehold; being able to hold their own with the water by steady pumping. Difficulty was found in filling the boiler, the sea cocks being frozen fast; but it was done by pouring water from the bilge (then 15 inches deep) through the man hole plates in the top of the boiler. The temperature of the Engine room being  -25o Fah. a long time was required to get the pump in condition to take water. At 3 PM the pump being ready, the flood gates in the forward water tight bulkhead were opened and a flow of water permitted. The limbers under the coal bunkers seemed to be frozen, or choked in some other way for but little water would pass through. Such as did came through was pumped out through the fire hose on the spar deck to the outside floe. As the steam pump suction was on the port side, and the ship had a heel of 2.5o  to Stbd. the steam pump would take water only when it flowed over the main Kelson; and sufficient water to do this came aft only once or twice in the course of an hour. Kept all hands on deck working the pump until midnight when one watch was permitted to go below. Oakum was driven in at every space in the solid 1.27 bow filling through which water came, but as the lower part would be filled, water would come through above, and when finally the after side of the filling was stuffed so full of oakum and tallow that but a little water dipped through, the water was forced out through the ceiling. Seeming to come up from the space between the planking and ceiling. Men were engaged in digging away the ice under the bow to get at the ~ of ~injury if possible, but upon removing the piled up floe pieces, water flowed and froze over the main floe to such a depth as prevented continuance of the work. Until the injury can be seen and determined, nothing more than an opinion can be expressed on to its nature. But from the steady flow of water, its locality, and in view of the great pressure experienced, it may be taken for granted that the fore foot is broken and bent aside springing off the garboard strakes with it. Sufficient pressures have been exerted under and against the stem to lift the ship 2 inches forward.

Early daylight at 6.50 AM. No soundings taken at noon. Considerable ice movement from time to time during the day, and an almost continuous heavy pressure against the ship on all sides.   
     

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_018_1.jpg

20. January 1880

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As the limber holes under the coal bunkers remained frozen or otherwise choked to such an extend as to prevent the ready flow of water aft to the steam pump, it was decided at the beginning of these twenty four hours to remove an auxiliary steam pump from the engine room to the old galley room, over the chain lockers, and by running a line of piping from the main boiler to it, and attaching a suction pipe leading into the flour room, pump out sufficient water to enable us to build a bulkhead across the for. peak which would control the flow of water to such an extent as to permit the occasional using of the bilge pump keeping the ship free. Work was immediately commenced on this auxiliary pump, and it was placed in the old galley room, and necessary repairs were made to it. After it was in place an attempt  was made to run it by the Baxter Boiler, but it was found that the pump was too large for the capacity of the boiler, exhausting it almost immediately, and the plan was abandoned. Engineer force was then employed to fit and run the line of steam piping to get steam from the main boiler through the steam whistle pipe. The work is not complete at midnight. While this work was going on the remainder of the crew were kept at work by watches in pumping the water out by the forward bilge pump on deck, being able to keep the water under control, and even occasionally getting the water down to 12 inches. Such water as flowed aft to the Engine Room was at once pumped out by the steam pump there, and towards the close of the day the flow was freer, enabling us to use the steam pump in Engine Room for 15 minutes in every half hour. All the sea cocks being frozen fast in their Seats the boiler is blown as occasion requires into the bilge, and is fed from the bilge. Broke out the Starboard chain locker, and moved a lot of provisions aft on Quarter-Deck. Discontinued using Baxter Boiler to distill water, being able to distill below in the Engine Room, and requiring all the pipe connections of the Baxter Boiler to lead Steam from Steam whistle pipe to auxiliary pump forward.

Considerable ice movement and pressure during the day. The ship is heeled 3o to Starboard and the floe in which She is embedded has swung one and a quarter points in azimuth. Light breezes from between S + W all day with slowly falling barometer and Slightly rising temperature. The movement of the ice seems to be to the E'd. Then are numerous ridges in sight where the floes have been broken and piled up upon coming in contact. The floe around the ship remains the same as yesterday but when  pressed yields in heavy surges which causes the ship to crack and scrape. A careful examination shows no signs of anything having given away below, and every reason for the opinion of yesterday that the fore foot has been sprung off starting the garboard strakes.

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21. January 1880

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By 1 am the work of running steam piping to the auxiliary pump forward from the main boiler by way of the whistle pipe was completed and an attempt was made to send steam through it, but the steam whistle pipe being frozen none would pass. Took down and thawed pipe and tried again getting the pump to work. Found the suction pipe too small, and substituted the main engine bilge suction pipe for it. This was completed at 7 am and the auxiliary steam pump set to work performing well, keeping the water in check. As the water flowed more freely to the Engine room pump that was run about half the time also; and the fore peak was thus kept free enough to build a small bulkhead resting on the cant frames fast abaft the bow filling constructed at Mare Island and checking the flow of water in that places. As at times the suction pipe of the auxiliary pump got the water down to the sucking point, plugs were driven in the forward bulkhead of the fore hold to keep the water from flowing aft to the engine room to proceed to make the necessary forfarrings and fittings for connecting the forward spar deck hand bilge pump to the Baxter Boiler 2 FP Engine.

Considerable ice movement from noon to 10 am with heavy pressure causing severe shocks to the ship. No gain in the leak is observed as a result of the shocks. Ship heeling 3o  to Starboard.


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22. January 1880
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As the water was becoming low enough to work beneficially in the fore peak commenced cutting and fitting planking for the erection of a water tight bulkhead across the fore peak 1 1/3 feet forward of the foremast, but holes in the ceiling above ~ deck on each side and packed down in the spaces between frames as much ashes picked felt as they would take. Water seeing good effect towards the close of the day. The steam auxiliary pump was kept going almost continuously. Found a break in the suction pipe and repaired it. added two lengths of pipe to it so as have a piece of suction pipe laying horizontally in the bilge, and we found the pump to draw more water than before. Up to noon the steam pump in Engine Room was run about half the time. Sufficient thawing or other clearing in the limbers under coal bunkers having taken place to permit the water accumulating there to flow aft. After noon only sufficient water came aft to after pump to supply the boiler and blow it. In addition to tending the boiler and steam pumps the Engineer Force was employed in making forgings for the prepared connections to Baxter Engine, and in making a boring bar and band and a pulley to fit the shaft of the Edison Electric Dynamic Machine to be used on a counter shaft to run the hand Bilge pump when the connections are made to the Baxter Engine.

Upon attempting to resume the daily soundings it was found that a solid floe piece had shoved under the Fire holdat a depth of four feet, completely closing it from below so that no lead could be got through. This would be a proof that the floe, while in its advance had caused so much longitudinal pressure and strain on the ship, had passed under the floe in which the ship is embedded, breaking perhaps the fore foot in passing.

The depth of water in the Ship to day is as follows.

                                                                              At 8 am     At 4 am              At midnight
At step of foremast                                                         22 inches  18 1/4 inches   19 inches
At auxiliary pump suction. Just forward of chain lockers 24 "           21 1/4 "           19 "
At after bulkhead Fore Hold                                            26 "           27 "                 19  "
At Fire room bilge                                                           16 "           20   "               19 1/2  "

Ship heeling 3o  to Starboard

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23. January 1880
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The auxiliary pump is kept going all the time, and the steam pump in the Engine Room is working about one half the time. Work progressing on the bulkhead across the forv. peak and at midnight all but one upright plank is in place. Left this one plank and in order to secure a passage way while stringers and braces are bolted in place abaft the bulkhead to enable it to withstand pressure. Early in the morning shoved down plaster of paris in the spaces between frames forward of the bulkhead, hoping that the action of the water on it will turn it into a kind of cement. Also poured in ashes and picked felt. The construction of the gearing for connecting hand bilge pump with Baxter Boiler and Engine is completed, but cannot be used until the completion of the bulkhead and the successful choking of the spaces between frames make it possible to keep the ship by the deck bilge pump alone.

A careful calculation of the performance of the auxiliary steam pump and the main steam pump gives the following result: Amount of water pumped by Auxiliary pump her hour= 1608 galls.
Running one half time "   "   "   "   "  Main "  " = 2055 "
As we hold the water in check the leak per hour   = 3663 "

The depth of water in the ship to day is as follows:                 At 8 Am             At 4 Pm           At Midnight
At step of foremast                                                               21 1/2 inches   19 1/2 inches  19 inches
At auxiliary pump suction. Just forward of chain lockers           23 1/2 "            21 1/2 "          18  "
At after bulkhead Fore hold                                                      24 "                  26 1/2 "          18 "
At the Fire room bilge                                                               10 "                  14 "                 20 "

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To be continued.....
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 12 January 2013, 16:40:19
I looked in Open Library (http://openlibrary.org/) for "voyage of jeanette"  and came up with these 3 books.

The voyage of the Jeannette, Volume 1 (http://openlibrary.org/books/OL23705243M/The_voyage_of_the_Jeannette) edited by his wife Emma De Long  1883

Ice-pack and tundra: an account of the search for the Jeannette and a sledge journey through Siberia (http://openlibrary.org/works/OL183360W/Ice-pack_and_tundra)  By William H. Gilder 1883 (7 editions online)

The Jeanette and a complete and authentic narrative encyclopedia of all voyages and expeditions to the North Polar regions (http://openlibrary.org/works/OL2757538W/The_Jeanette)  1882  By Capt. Richard Perry

There is also a whole lot of other old books on the subject in Google Books (http://books.google.com/) which probably includes the above 3 editions.  They also have...

The voyage of the Jeannette, Volume 2 (http://books.google.com/books?id=riUaAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=voyage+of+jeanette&hl=en&sa=X&ei=PsfxUNe9H5Oc8wT4_oH4DQ&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAQ) edited by his wife Emma De Long  1884

Everything above can be read online from the photographs of original pages.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 12 January 2013, 17:16:29
I Clewi - managed to sort out a few of the odd words - see the red words below, and one or two typos (green).
Great bit of transcribing that you've done!
 ;D

Outstanding, thanks! Corrected it and added four more days!  ;)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 12 January 2013, 18:59:54
Great  ;D...I may not be working on her now - but I have a very soft spot for the Jeannette. ;) 8)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 13 January 2013, 14:12:21
28.1.1880

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The pumping today is all done by the Sewell pump in the Engine Room running about 50 Strokes per minute, at which rate the water is prevented from gaining on us. The carpenters are engaged all day in filling up the spaces between frames ~ and replacing ceiling over these spaces. Cut additional holes through ceiling above Berth deck to continue the filling in to and above the water line.

Water in the Fire Room Bilge     8 am            4 pm          Midnight      
                                            18 inches  17 1/2 inches  16 inches

A slight ice movement in the SW near the Ship at 6.15 am and 6.40 pm causing a moderate nip to the Ship. In cutting away the newly formed ice in the hole cut in the floe for soundings at a distance of 150 yards from the ship, measured 8 inches as the result of 24 hours freezing. The ice has formed 24 inches in thickness Since Jan'y 19th over spaces of water opened during the ice movement at that date.

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29.1.1880

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All the work of pumping is done by the Sewell pump in the Engine Room which running at the rate of 40 Strokes per minute holds the water in check. Calculation of the work done by this pump at the above rate gives the extent of the leak at about 1800 gallons per hour, which compared with the calculations 27th ~ Showd a gain on our part  of 450 gallons per hour. The work of filling in spaces between frames ~ is continued. The fire which had been maintained under the Baxter Boiler in order to keep the Deck House warm enough to prevent the freezing of the deck bilge pump forward, is removed to a stove for the purpose of economizing fuel.

Water in the Fire Room Bilge     8 am            4 pm          Midnight      
                                            16 inches       16 inches  15 inches

Sounded at noon in 30 fms. Muddy bottom. No indicated drift. Thickness of ice found since yesterday 10 inches. Thickness of floe at place of sounding 26 inches.

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30.1.1880

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The work of pumping is continued by the Sewell pump in the Engine Room, while the carpenters are engaged in filling in the spaces between frames ~ with plaster of paris and ashes. As the work of filling in progresses the water rises between the frames forward of the bulkhead constructed in the fore peak eighteen inches forward of foremast, until at midnight it is dripping out under the Berth deck at the Shelf  (~). All water is allowed to run aft freely to Engine Room in order to faciliate the work of the carpenters. 

Water in the Ship to day. Fire Room Bilge     8 am            4 pm          Midnight      
                                                               16 inches       20 inches  15 inches

Sewell pump running 40 Strokes per minute.

Sounded at noon in 29 1/2 fms. Muddy bottom. Slight drift indicated to N.W. (true). Early daylight at 6.30 Am.

At 1 Am an Auroral Arch from W. to E. through zenith, with Streamers from W.N.W. towards zenith. At 2 a Lunar halo 2o in diameter, and an Auroral Curtain 20o in alt to N. faint and broken. At 9 Am the horizon was very much raised by refraction. At 10 the Sun was on the horizon rising. From 11 am to 2 Pm the "North Side of Wrangell Land" was seen much raised by refraction and inverted by mirage

At 5 Pm a slight ice movement occured 150 yards to S'd of ship, causing her to experience a moderate nip. At 5.40 a meteor in falling from S towards S.W. Showed a blue-colored light. At 7 faint auroral gleams  in N. At 11 and midnight a Lunar halo 6o in ~ Showing prismatic colors, and at the last named hour a faint auroral arch from E. to W. 60o in Altitude in N.

The day opens and continues clear and pleasant with light varable airs and colors. Fluctuating barometer and temperatures.

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31.1.1880

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The thickness of the floe through which Soundings are taken remains at 26 inches, and the thickness of ice formed each 24 hours over the hole cut remains uniformly 10 inches.

The pumping is done to day by the Sewell pump in the Engine Room, keeping the water from gaining while the carpenters are engaged in filling in spaces between frames. The Engineers Force are

engaged in rigging the Steam Cutter's engine and boiler to a bilge pump attached to the main engine. Succeeded in getting the main delivery in the Ship's side thawed out so as to discharge water through it instead of forcing it out through hose attached to fire coupling on spar deck.

Water in the Ship to day. At Fire Room Bilge  At 8 am           At 4 pm      At Midnight      
                                                                 15 1/2 inches  16 inches  17 inches


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1.2.1880

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The Sewell pump is kept going all day, and with 40 Strokes a minute holds the water in check. The two carpenters are engaged filling up spaces between frames ~ while the Engineer Force is engaged in fitting connections of Steam Cutters engine and boiler to the bilge pump of the main engine.

Amount of water in the Ship to day   At 8 am            At 4 pm      At Midnight   
At Fire Room Bilge                              16 inches        16 inches  16 inches

....

At 11 am a white Arctic Fox was killed alongside the Ship by Alexai. (native) and a Polar Bear which came to the Ship was Shot near it by Lieut. Chipp.

....

Thickness of ice formed over Sounding hole Since yesterday 10 inches. Thickness of floe surrounding it 26 inches. At 9 Pm a Meteor was observed falling from NE  to E. At 10 there was a movement of the ice from the S toward the North.

....

At midnight the Ship received several Severe nips, but it was without any visible movement to the floe surrounding her or adjoining ice.

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Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 13 January 2013, 19:05:52
Might have cracked a couple, Clewi...  I think he's saying frames +Co at a few points where he doesn't seem to want to be explicit about the carpentry...I may be wrong though. ;) :D

28.1.1880

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The pumping today is all done by the Sewell pump in the Engine Room running about 50 Strokes per minute, at which rate the water is prevented from gaining on us. The carpenters are engaged all day in filling up the spaces between frames ~ and replacing ceiling over these spaces. Cut additional holes through ceiling above Berth deck to continue the filling in to and above the water line.

Water in the Fire Room Bilge     8 am            4 pm          Midnight      
                                            18 inches  17 1/2 inches  16 inches

A slight ice movement in the SW near the Ship at 6.15 am and 6.40 pm causing a moderate nip to the Ship. In cutting away the newly formed ice in the hole cut in the floe for soundings at a distance of 150 yards from the ship, measured 8 inches as the result of 24 hours freezing. The ice has formed 24 inches in thickness Since Jan'y 19th over spaces of water opened during the ice movement at that date.

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29.1.1880

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All the work of pumping is done by the Sewell pump in the Engine Room which running at the rate of 40 Strokes per minute holds the water in check. Calculation of the work done by this pump at the above rate gives the extent of the leak at about 1800 gallons per hour, which compared with the calculations 27th inst Showd a gain on our part  of 450 gallons per hour. The work of filling in spaces between frames +Co. is continued. The fire which had been maintained under the Baxter Boiler in order to keep the Deck House warm enough to prevent the freezing of the deck bilge pump forward, is removed to a stove for the purpose of economizing fuel.

Water in the Fire Room Bilge     8 am            4 pm          Midnight      
                                            16 inches       16 inches  15 inches

Sounded at noon in 30 fms. Muddy bottom. No indicated drift. Thickness of ice found since yesterday 10 inches. Thickness of floe at place of sounding 26 inches.

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30.1.1880

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The work of pumping is continued by the Sewell pump in the Engine Room, while the carpenters are engaged in filling in the spaces between frames ~ with plaster of paris and ashes. As the work of filling in progresses the water rises between the frames forward of the bulkhead constructed in the fore peak eighteen inches forward of foremast, until at midnight it is dripping out under the Berth deck at the Shelf  (or clamp). All water is allowed to run aft freely to Engine Room in order to facilitate the work of the carpenters. 

Water in the Ship to day. Fire Room Bilge     8 am            4 pm          Midnight      
                                                               16 inches       20 inches  15 inches

Sewell pump running 40 Strokes per minute.

Sounded at noon in 29 1/2 fms. Muddy bottom. Slight drift indicated to N.W. (true). Early daylight at 6.30 Am.

At 1 Am an Auroral Arch from W. to E. through zenith, with Streamers from W.N.W. towards zenith. At 2 a Lunar halo 2o in diameter, and an Auroral Curtain 20o in alt to N. faint and broken. At 9 Am the horizon was very much raised by refraction. At 10 the Sun was on the horizon rising. From 11 am to 2 Pm the "North Side of Wrangell Land" was seen much raised by refraction and inverted by mirage

At 5 Pm a slight ice movement occurred 150 yards to S'd of ship, causing her to experience a moderate nip. At 5.40 a meteor in falling from S towards S.W. Showed a blue-colored light. At 7 faint auroral gleams  in N. At 11 and midnight a Lunar halo 6o in diameter showing prismatic colors, and at the last named hour a faint auroral arch from E. to W. 60o in Altitude in N.

The day opens and continues clear and pleasant with light variable airs and colors. Fluctuating barometer and temperatures.

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31.1.1880

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The thickness of the floe through which Soundings are taken remains at 26 inches, and the thickness of ice formed each 24 hours over the hole cut remains uniformly 10 inches.

The pumping is done to day by the Sewell pump in the Engine Room, keeping the water from gaining while the carpenters are engaged in filling in spaces between frames. The Engineers Force are

engaged in rigging the Steam Cutter's engine and boiler to a bilge pump attached to the main engine. Succeeded in getting the main delivery in the Ship's side thawed out so as to discharge water through it instead of forcing it out through hose attached to fire coupling on spar deck.

Water in the Ship to day. At Fire Room Bilge  At 8 am           At 4 pm      At Midnight      
                                                                 15 1/2 inches  16 inches  17 inches


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1.2.1880

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The Sewell pump is kept going all day, and with 40 Strokes a minute holds the water in check. The two carpenters are engaged filling up spaces between frames +co. while the Engineer Force is engaged in fitting connections of Steam Cutters engine and boiler to the bilge pump of the main engine.

Amount of water in the Ship to day   At 8 am            At 4 pm      At Midnight   
At Fire Room Bilge                              16 inches        16 inches  16 inches

....

At 11 am a white Arctic Fox was killed alongside the Ship by Alexai. (native) and a Polar Bear which came to the Ship was Shot near it by Lieut. Chipp.

....

Thickness of ice formed over Sounding hole Since yesterday 10 inches. Thickness of floe surrounding it 26 inches. At 9 Pm a Meteor was observed falling from NE  to E. At 10 there was a movement of the ice from the S toward the North.

....

At midnight the Ship received several Severe nips, but it was without any visible movement to the floe surrounding her or adjoining ice.

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Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 14 January 2013, 16:12:18
I'm not sure about the  "+Co". It looks quite different from time to time. 
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 January 2013, 16:54:20
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I think it is the same word despite some variation in the writing - I can kind of see one morphing into the other. Given that the context is the same, you would expect the word to be the same.
I must admit that I am not sold on +Co though.
I wondered about 'etc' and 'fo' (for forward), but I am not at all convinced :P
I think the second character is 'c'. I wonder if the first could be a symbol rather than a letter. :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 14 January 2013, 17:15:12
The first letter is written with a single stroke, but for a 't' he usually lifted the pen and added the horizontal stroke often well to the right of the vertical bar. Yet I think that a 't' is possible. It is not a 'f', that looks very different. The second letter doesn't look like his usual 'o' either, which looks more like an 'a'. Maybe some kind of shorthand.

I didn't read all the entries in the journal about the days in question, but so far I didn't see this mysterious word - or whatever it is - there. I'll read all entries of the time frame in question tonight.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 14 January 2013, 17:33:56
Hmmmmm.....in the PDF, page 264 of the file, pg 235 of the journal, he wrote the following:

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January, 29th, Thursday. - I am able to record a still further diminution of the leak. The work of filling in the spaces between frames, etc., has proceeded all day, and we now find that the Sewell pump, running forty strokes a minute, has been able to hold the water in check.

Between 19. Jan and 1. Feb this is the the only time where he writes "etc" as far as I could see. They filled the frames, killed an arctic fox and a bear, and that's about it. 
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 14 January 2013, 18:11:20
I agree that it is "etc", which he forms with "&c".  In the cloud types, he often uses only the "&" as in this page at 3 AM. Here it looks like a cursive "z" but it varies
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Wiki says:
The one-word spelling "etcetera" is commonly used and is accepted as correct by many dictionaries.[1] It is also sometimes spelled et caetera, et coetera or et c?tera and is usually abbreviated to etc. or &c. Archaic

Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 14 January 2013, 19:26:45
Did they eat the bear? Apparently bear ham is very good, though I suspect that's black bear rather than polar.
Love &c. as archaic etc - that's very very interesting and seems to fit in with some of the notes in the logs.
Isn't it frustrating that the handwriting is often worst where the words are unfamiliar?
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 14 January 2013, 20:02:41
I'm pushing this question into the Editorial Office - Maybe Gordon or Dorbel will know.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 14 January 2013, 20:12:38
Did they eat the bear? Apparently bear ham is very good, though I suspect that's black bear rather than polar.
Love &c. as archaic etc - that's very very interesting and seems to fit in with some of the notes in the logs.
Isn't it frustrating that the handwriting is often worst where the words are unfamiliar?

A quick ad-hoc transcription from the journal:

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February 1st, Sunday

... At eleven A.M. an Arctic fox (white) was seen close to the ship. The dogs went for it, and the poor thing ran for the gang-plank, as if to come on board for protection. Alexey, however, met it with his rifle and killed it. In its stomach were found some lemmings' tails and nothing else. Immediately thereafter a bear appeared, and Chipp succeeded in killing it, and to my great satisfaction we have again fresh meat hanging in the rigging. The bear weighs about four hundred pounds, and its stomach is absolutely empty. I hail with great satisfaction this evidence of animal life, for it will enable me to make a very acceptable change from our canned meat diet. In connection with this subject, I may as well remark here that beyond a doubt canned fresh meat is far superior to salt provisions. But it requires a greater amount to satisfy hunger, and one soon becomes weary of it, because of its tastelessness. All canned meat seems to taste alike. Such a thing as canned turkey and canned chicken is a delusion and a snare. There is such a hopeless confusion of smashed bones and small pieces of meat that we have unanimously called the resulting dish a "railroad accident". ...


February 2nd, Monday

Upon calling me this morning, the steward informed me that another bear had been killed, "and that he had tried to get in the deckhouse." Supposing that we had become careless in lookout, or the bears had made an invasion, I turned out and inquired. The facts were that a bear had come near the ship at seven A.M., his presence being denoted by the dogs retreating on board in a body and manning the rail, barking at his bearship. While the quartermaster was summoning Chipp, the bear, attracted by the meat of his brother already hung up to a girtline, attempted to climb up the ship's side to get on top of the deck-house, but fell back. Seeing the gangway board, and recognizing its use no doubt, he was about to march up it, when Mr. Dunbar appeared at the rail and fired at him. The bear, wounded only, made off, and the dogs followed him. He sat down to keep the dogs at bay with his fore paws, bleeding very freely, and in that position Mr. Dunbar dispatched him. He was eight feet one inch long and weighed nine hundred pounds, forming a welcome addition and change to our larder. His stomach contained several small stones resembling pieces of slate, and nothing else.  ...   
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 14 January 2013, 20:33:50
I know from going into preserved forests, black bears are the smallest bears in this hemisphere.  (A forest ranger gives all campers a bear-avoidance lecture before letting us enter.  Black bears and grizzlies are not the same thing.)  If you want big, Siberian brown bears, American grizzlies and polar bears are genetic siblings or first cousins.

Encyclopedia Britanica,
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http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/81665/brown-bear#ref23746
the exceptionally large Siberian brown bear (Ursus arctos beringianus), weighing as much as 360 kg (800 pounds), approximates the size of the North American grizzly. Coat colour is highly variable, ranging from grayish white through bluish and brownish shades to almost black.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/466969/polar-bear
Polar bears are stocky, with a long neck, relatively small head, short, rounded ears, and a short tail. The male, which is much larger than the female, weighs 410 to 720 kg (900 to 1,600 pounds). It grows to about 1.6 metres (5.3 feet) tall at the shoulder and 2.2-2.5 metres in length. The tail is 7-12 cm (3-5 inches) long.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 14 January 2013, 20:40:43
In this case they are polar bears are noted in the logbook on Feb 1st:

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At 11 am a white Arctic Fox was killed alongside the Ship by Alexai. (native) and a Polar Bear which came to the Ship was Shot near it by Lieut. Chipp.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 15 January 2013, 01:34:14
We see polar bears in this area every trip - at least when there is some ice for them to be on. Never ate one though.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 15 January 2013, 04:02:08
Why would a polar bear have stones in its gut? And like slate seems really odd. To stave off hunger somehow? To help grind food (never heard of it, but I'm no expert). Or perhaps inherited it from a bird crop? I guess these were males out and about for some food during hard winter times. The mums would still be in their dens.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 15 January 2013, 12:02:40
Eating stones most likely to stave of hunger according to the marine mammal expert down the hall. There are lots of bears (and stones) around Wrangell Island.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 15 January 2013, 13:52:01
Hmmmm...stones....even less flavour than the tinned meat. There are some niches in the world that just make you wonder if they are worth all the effort of adapting too.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 15 January 2013, 14:55:09
2.2.1880

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The Sewell pump is kept going all day, running at the rate of 40 Strokes a minute, keeping the water in check while carpenters progress with the work of filling in between frames etc. Engineer force engaged in preparing gearing for Steam cutters engine and boiler in connection with main engine bilge pump. Upon trying the Steam Cutters engine to day with the bilge pump, getting steam from the main boiler it was found that the engine ran too fast to make the pump do its work. Arrangements were begun to diminish by geering the number of strokes of the pump.

                                                                          At 8 am            At 4 pm      At Midnight   
Water in the Ship to day. At Fire Room Bilge     16 inches        16 inches  16 inches 
....
At 2 Am a large bear approached the Ship, and after attempting to come on board was shot and killed by Mr. Dunbar.

Sounded at noon in 29 1/2 fms. muddy bottom: the lead line Showing a slight Westerly drift. The ice formed 4 inches thick over Sounding hole since yesterday, the thickness of the floe around it being 27 inches.

At 1 Pm the ice commenced to move subjecting the Ship to Considerable pressure, but not altering her heel, 3O to Stbd. More or less motion and pressure until 8 Pm.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_033_1.jpg

3.2.1880

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The Sewell pump is kept running all day at the rate of 40 Strokes a minute, which holds the water in check while the carpenters are carrying the fillings up above the berth deck and settling well down in place the fillings already put in. The engineers force is at work making necessary connections and forgings for using the Steam cutters engine and boiler in connection with the bilge pump belonging to main Engine.

Amount of water in the Ship to day   At 8 am            At 4 pm      At Midnight   
At Fire Room Bilge                             16 inches        16 inches  15 inches

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_034_1.jpg

4.2.1880

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The Sewell pump in the Engine Room is kept running all day at the rate of 35 strokes per minute. Comparing the work performed by the pump yesterday with the work done by the pump to day it would appear that we had reduced the amount of water coming into the ship to 1968 gallons per hour. The work of filling in between frames forward of the bulkhead constructed across the fore peak is about complete, nothing remaining but to place fresh fillings in places vacated by the Settling of the old ones. The carpenters are now engaged in this work and in making pulleys for the gearing of the main engine bilge pump to the Steam Cutters engine.

Amount of water in the Ship to day   At 8 am            At 4 pm      At Midnight   
At Fire Room Bilge                             16 inches        16 inches  16 inches
....
Sounded at noon in 29 fms. muddy bottom. No indicated drift. Amount of ice formed over Sounding hole in 24 hours = 4 inches. Thickness of ice by direct freezing Since November 28th = 5 feet 4 inches.
....
At 2 and 3 pm there was a sound of moving ice to NE; at 9 the same to SW and at 10 the Sound in NE again. 
....
Crew employed in storing provisions which had been sent up from wet hold and Storeroom to the best advantage on the Spar deck and in the Deck House.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_035_1.jpg

5.2.1880

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The Sewell pump is kept going all day in the Engine Room holding the water in check with 35 strokes per minute. Carpenters engaged in supplying fresh fillings as fast as old ones ~. Engineers Forces engaged in fitting gearings for running main engine bilge pump by Steam Cutters boiler and engine.
    
Water in the Ship to day   At 8 am            At 4 pm      At Midnight   
At Fire Room Bilge            16 inches        16 inches  16 inches

In order to account for this steady amount of water it may be explained that as the ship is heeled 3O to Starboard, and the Sewell pump suction is on the port side of the Kelson, the water has to be allowed to rise to that height on the starboard side before enough will flow over the Kelson and through the thwartship limber holes to be taken up by the pump.
....
No drift indicated. Ice formed over sounding hole 8 inches in preceding 24 hours.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_036_1.jpg

6.2.1880

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The Sewell pump in the Engine Room  is kept going all day at the rate of 35 strokes per minute holding the water in check.

The rig for connecting the Steam Cutters engine to the bilge pump of the main engines being completed. Steam was led to it from the main boiler to tug it. The trial was not satisfactory. The following seemed to be the difficulty: The pump is a 6 inch force pump forcing water through a 1 1/2 inch pipe which in its course to the outside of the Ship is long and sinuous. The Steam Cutters engine is a 4 1/2" x 6" engine, and rigged to work the pump by two pulleys on the shafting which by crank motion and belting works the pump. The speeds are as 3 to 1. After laboring 4 hours to overcome the difficulty, the discharge pipe in the Ships side was found to be frozen solid. While thawing it preparatory to another effort these 24 hours close. The pump action is so labored that the steam cutters engine does not seem able to do the work.

Water in the Ship to day   At 8 am            At 4 pm      At Midnight   
At Fire Room Bilge            16 inches        16 inches  16 inches

The day opens and continues clear and pleasant with light breeze from S'd ~ E 'd falling barometer and rising temperature. Sounded at noon in 29 fathoms. muddy bottom. Slight drift to N'd. 8 inches of ice found over Sounding hole since yesterday noon. Upon attempting to measure the thickness of the same floe mentioned on the 4th as 5 feet 4 inches thick, it was found that another floe had Shoved under it. Early daylight at 6 am. The North side of Wrangell Land" visible from 9 to 11 am on a general S x W (true) bearing.
 

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_037_1.jpg

7.2.1880

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The Sewell pump in the Engine Room  is kept going all day at the rate of 35 strokes a minute holding the water in check.

Having at the beginning of the day Succeeded in thawing the ice out of the delivery pipe in the Ships side, another trial is given to the rig whereby the main engine bilge pump is sought to be worked by the Steam-cutter's engine. The size of the crank had been reduced meanwhile in order to lessen the Strokes of the engine. It was found that the pump was too large for the engine, and the use of the Steam Cutters engine was therefore discontinued until an attempt could be made to ~ the pump with "Babbit Metal" and invert a smaller plunger, converting a single acting piston pump of 6 inches diameter into a single acting plunger pump of 3 inches diameter.

Water in the Ship to day   At 8 am            At 4 pm      At Midnight   
At Fire Room Bilge            16 inches        16 inches  13 inches
....
Ice formed 6 inches in thickness over sounding hole since yesterday.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_038_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 15 January 2013, 15:07:30
That much constantly occurring damage when you cannot move away from it has to be downright scary!
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 15 January 2013, 15:11:54
Especially when you have to improvise all the time. I've read in the journal somewhere that they had prepared themselves to abandon ship - just in case.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 15 January 2013, 15:23:20
but not altering ~ heel
her ?

main engine bilge pump is ~ to be worked
sought ?

pump with "~ Metal"
Babbit
- Babbitt metal n (Engineering / Metallurgy) any of a number of alloys originally based on tin, antimony, and copper but now often including lead: used esp in bearings
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 15 January 2013, 15:32:05
Thanks, corrected it!  :)

Quite often I wonder why I didn't see that. Seems so obvious.  ::)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 15 January 2013, 19:34:11
Has this been mentioned before? Looks like a part of DeLongs original journal (unedited) - including manual transcript!

http://memory.loc.gov/mtftx/txa/a0001/a0001.html
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 15 January 2013, 20:41:18
That is amazing - because the transcript is in Russian, translated by my browser!!  Its home page is even more interesting:  http://international.loc.gov:8081/intldl/mtfhtml/mfdigcol/mfdcmn.html#g_eng

Meeting of Frontiers: Siberia, Alaska, and the American West (http://international.loc.gov:8081/intldl/mtfhtml/mfdigcol/mfdcmn.html#g_eng)
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The collection includes manuscripts department thousands of documents related to the American West and Alaska, portraying the relationship between America and Russia. Many of these documents have been entered into the electronic digital system for the project Library of Congress - "American Memory." Other manuscripts contain some documents which were particularly important for certain aspects of the "Meeting of Frontiers". This, for example, correspondence between Thomas Jefferson and John Ledyard, one of the first American travelers to Russia. This collection also includes the text of the log of the George Washington DeLong (Copyright National Archives), the ship's captain "Dzhanett" who disappeared in the Arctic in 1881.
(Note how the Russians spelled "Jeanette" :) )

     Selected Items Manuscript | (including DeLong's journal volume)
     Archive Albert Kenrick Fisher |
     George Kennan Papers |
     Archive of the Ministry of the Navy of the USSR |
          (including Report from Bering to the Admiralty Board, September 10.1739)
     Collection Gennady V. Yudin |
     Documents William Alexander Marshall |
     Kiowa Collection |


I just realized - that volume of George's journal is NOT a back-up copy of any of our ship logs.  It's his Captain's Log for the last months of their stay - after the Jeanette has sunk.  It is something that will add to our story.

AND it's already transcribed! :)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 15 January 2013, 20:55:39
The thermometers as used in the logbook so far (will be updated from time to time as I go)

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/78834166/Jeanette%20Therm.htm
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 15 January 2013, 22:20:55
"Cutters engine was therefore discontinued until an attempt could be made to ~ the pump with "Babbit Metal" and invert a smaller plunger, converting a single acting piston pump of 6 inches diameter into a single acting plunger pump of 3 inches diameter."

This is obviously Melville's ingenuity at work. Here ~ must be 'line' the pump, as what they're doing is making a smaller capacity pump from a bigger one by sleeving the cylinder. Opposite of boring out a big block Chevy V8.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 January 2013, 03:22:48
"Cutters engine was therefore discontinued until an attempt could be made to ~ the pump with "Babbit Metal" and invert a smaller plunger, converting a single acting piston pump of 6 inches diameter into a single acting plunger pump of 3 inches diameter."

This is obviously Melville's ingenuity at work. Here ~ must be 'line' the pump, as what they're doing is making a smaller capacity pump from a bigger one by sleeving the cylinder. Opposite of boring out a big block Chevy V8.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_038_1.jpg

I think you are right that the word means line, but that does not seem to be the word in the log - not sleeve either I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 January 2013, 03:24:15
The thermometers as used in the logbook so far (will be updated from time to time as I go)

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/78834166/Jeanette%20Therm.htm

Copied to: Barometers, Instrumentation and Specifications by Ship - Phase 3 (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3456.0)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 January 2013, 03:30:41
Has this been mentioned before? Looks like a part of DeLongs original journal (unedited) - including manual transcript!

http://memory.loc.gov/mtftx/txa/a0001/a0001.html

 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 16 January 2013, 04:11:16
I just realized - that volume of George's journal is NOT a back-up copy of any of our ship logs.  It's his Captain's Log for the last months of their stay - after the Jeanette has sunk.  It is something that will add to our story.

AND it's already transcribed! :)
It looks like the transcription is just for 5th - 30th Oct but the scanned document starts on 11th June when they are starting to abandon the ship. She sinks on page 6 (http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=mtftx&fileName=txa/a0001//mtftxa0001.db&recNum=5&itemLink=r%3Fintldl%2Fmtfront%3A%40field%28NUMBER%2B%40od1%28mtftx%2Ba0001%29%29&linkText=0).
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 16 January 2013, 04:23:53
5th to 30th October...fetch the hankies :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 16 January 2013, 05:30:49
I can't agree more. Despite all the deaths it was 'Lee begging to be left' that seemed particularly poignant.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 16 January 2013, 08:15:21
"Cutters engine was therefore discontinued until an attempt could be made to ~ the pump with "Babbit Metal" and invert a smaller plunger, converting a single acting piston pump of 6 inches diameter into a single acting plunger pump of 3 inches diameter."

This is obviously Melville's ingenuity at work. Here ~ must be 'line' the pump, as what they're doing is making a smaller capacity pump from a bigger one by sleeving the cylinder. Opposite of boring out a big block Chevy V8.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_038_1.jpg

I think you are right that the word means line, but that does not seem to be the word in the log - not sleeve either I'm afraid.

I think it's "baush".

"From 1866 onwards glasses began to be required in steadily increasing numbers and in 1870 power grinding was begun on a small scale.  For this purpose a machine of Mr. Bausch's designing was first used."

http://www.surveyantiques.com/meet_your_maker.htm#bausch
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 16 January 2013, 11:29:01
It is indeed "boush".

I let the edited version of the journal run through the ocr software. Having a searchable version of it certainly won't hurt when transcribing the logbook. There's quite a bit of manual editing needed, and that'll be a project in itself. I don't use this software very often, and still have to find my way around there. So bear with me, please!

Anyway, here are the excerpts of the journal entries staring on February, 6th regarding the modifications on the machine. For your enjoyment:

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February 6th, Friday. ? The rig whereby the steam-cutter's engine it is hoped will work the bilge-pump attached to main engine being finished, trial is had of it to-day, getting steam from the main boiler. I am sorry to say the trial is unsatisfactory. The engine is not powerful enough to do the work which the pump is prepared for. A description of the apparatus may well come in here On the shaft of the steam-cutter's engine is secured a wooden pulley six inches in diameter. Above it is secured a frame and shaft to the hanging coal bunker, and on the shaft is placed another wooden pulley eighteen inches in diameter. Around the two pulleys is an endless belt. On the end of the upper shaft is a crank, which, by a connecting rod, works a break attached to the bilge-pump. Theoretically it ought to work, but practically it does not, for this reason : The discharge pipe of the pump is long, and has many angles before it reaches the ship's side. The pump being a force-pump of six inches stroke, and the engine being four and a half by six inches, were the delivery at the pump, it would be an easy matter; but as the delivery has to be made through a sinuous pipe one and a half inches in diameter, the water chokes in the pipe in such a way as to make the little engine struggle and labor, and occasionally come to a stand. Greater steam pressure would force the water no doubt, but the little engine would not stand the racket. While Melville was trying in every way to solve the difficulty, it was discovered that the delivery in the ship's side was frozen, and while we were thawing it out the day ended. Should no better result occur, Melville will go to work to make the pump smaller by inserting two small plungers and filling it with Babbitt's metal. ...

February 7 th, Saturday. ? I remarked in yesterday's journal that we discovered the pipe of the main engine bilge-pump frozen solid, and that while we were thawing it the day closed. At the same time the crank was shortened so as to diminish the stroke of the steam-cutter's engine. Everything being in readiness we gave the rig another trial, but it Would not work satisfactorily. True, it did pump water, but with such jerky and labored efforts on the part of the engine that we could readily see it was being overtaxed. The pump was too large for the engine. The rig was therefore discontinued, while Melville put his people at work to boush the pump with Babbitt's metal, and insert a smaller plunger, converting a single-acting piston-pump of six inches diameter into a single-acting plunger-pump of three inches diameter. This will take a couple of days, and in the mean time steam must be kept on the main boiler. At the end of the day I am thinking of trying the Baxter pump alone. ...

February 8th, Sunday. ? Upon inspecting the ship at noon to-day I found the temperature in the deck-house to be 18o, and lest our bilge-pumps should freeze beyond our control, I ordered a fire to be lighted under the Baxter boiler. As it will be several days before the work is finished which Melville has on hand, I thought this would be a good chance to see whether we could control the leak by the Baxter and the bilge-pump alone. Accordingly when steam was ready in the Baxter we closed, or rather attempted to close, the gates in the water-tight bulkhead. The port gate went down all right, but the starboard one seemed to be out of gear, for we could not get it down all the way, nor open it wide. To get at the gates, access must be had to a little space between the after bulkhead of the fore-hold and the forward side of the coal bunker. We commenced to break out the provisions and other stores with which this space is filled. The work of pumping the water, up to three P. m, had been done by running the Sewell pump thirty-five strokes per minute. When the Baxter commenced to run, the Sewell was put in operation only fifteen minutes in every hour. But it must be borne in mind that the bilge-pump suction is six inches from the bottom, and that the water has to flow over the keelson in the fire-room before the pump can take it. Our experiment has come to nothing, because, owing to leaky gate, water will flow aft into lire-room, and a pump must be kept going there.

I found the ship in as orderly a condition as could be expected under the circumstances. Everything being broken out from below forward, had to be piled up in the deck-house and on the quarter deck. The berth deck was damp, considerable moisture standing on the beams overhead. Until this injury to the ship the crew always had the deck-house to go to for a change, but now most of the time has to be passed on the berth deck because the deck-house is full. With a temperature ranging between minus 40o and minus 47o they cannot be sent out for very long from the ship, and as there is no open water we have no seals to occupy our attention Head divine service in the cabin.

We are being favored with beautiful weather. It is so long since we have had a strong wind that I cannot remember when we had our last. The sun shows up brightly day after day, the daylight grows longer steadily, lasting now from seven a. m. to five P. m., the nights are bright with starlight, the ice seems quiet, and were it not for cold snaps that keep us shut up, we should get over many a mile of ice in exercise, in celebration of our farewell to our Arctic night. Chipp and myself still stand our twelve-hour watches; he from four a. m. to four P. m., and I from four P. m. to four a. m. This is rather wearing, for it obliges me to turn part of our day into night in order to get enough sleep, but as Danenhower is still hors de combat, there is no one to make share it ? unless I include Dunbar, and I do not do so, because, in the critical condition of things I am of opinion that some one should be around at all times with full authority to act promptly and decidedly, and the fewer people have that authority the better.

The day began and continues clear and pleasant, but with considerable haze around the horizon. Winds beginning at N. W. back to W. Barometer begins 29.93 and rises to 30.04; the temperature begins minus 42o, and by nine a. m. reaches minus 49.5o, when mercurial thermometers decline to work longer and the mercury freezes solid; spirit thermometer No. 4,402, at that time reads minus 47o and goes down 2o more before end of day. As the spirit thermometers are not reliable it is safe to assert that it has been to-day below minus 50o.

An alarming amount of carbonic acid gas, 5.304 volumes per thousand, or .5304 per cent., was found on the berth deck at eleven P. m. Seeking for a cause I found that in the press of things requiring our attention of late, the iron ventilating pipe over the berth deck skylight had not been kept clear of ice, being in fact chock full of a solid mass, and effectually preventing the exit of foul air or the entrance of fresh air. Had it cleared.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 January 2013, 11:39:01
I had wondered about "boush", but I couldn't find a definition (outside of goblin engineering).
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 16 January 2013, 12:06:33
Ah, must be 'bush' (at least in meaning if not spelling) as that is what babbitt is used for - to make bushings. And is essentially a liner or sleeve.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 January 2013, 12:49:21
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushing_%28bearing%29#Bushing
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 16 January 2013, 15:33:46
So Melville kept a journal, too? I'd really like to get my greedy hands on it!  ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 16 January 2013, 17:08:19
This will entertain you on the way...
http://ku-prism.org/polarscientist/Jeannette/feb021896provid.html
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 16 January 2013, 17:26:36
Who would have thought?  ;D

https://archive.org/details/inthelenadelta002487mbp
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 16 January 2013, 19:42:37
Oh Clewi - this has to be one of the all time epic stories - well found!
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 16 January 2013, 20:17:53
Marvellous!
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 January 2013, 03:35:07
(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_1851.gif)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 17 January 2013, 08:21:03
As I dutifully transcribe the four negative temperature readings per line it occurs to me how futile it was to record the decimal place. There is a 3 degree difference between the  two mercurial themometers and about a degree and a half between the spirit ones. Two digits would have been sufficient given the error range. (And I won't mention the wind speed with 1 decimal place and the pressure with sometimes 3 places).

But I wonder if there is any information on how these data were used? Have the logs just been lying on a shelf in the archives all these years or were there some scientific papers based on the data?

And how will the science team handle the 2, 3 and sometimes 4 temperature readings per line? Just curious.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 17 January 2013, 10:51:46
Melville spoke FOUR hours! to the Commercial Club - after dinner! Wow.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 17 January 2013, 11:10:00
I would love to have heard that talk.


De Long is now dropping minus signs - TWYS.    :)

Obviously, he has other preoccupations.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_023_0.jpg
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 17 January 2013, 11:20:58
Clewi, please stop finding all these interesting documents. It's really slowing down my (already slow) transcription rate!
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 17 January 2013, 11:41:09
De Long is now dropping minus signs - TWYS.    :)

Obviously, he has other preoccupations.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_023_0.jpg

He didn't drop them. See those dashes in the top columns?
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 17 January 2013, 11:42:12
Clewi, please stop finding all these interesting documents. It's really slowing down my (already slow) transcription rate!

Can't help it! This stuff keeps getting better and better!  ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 17 January 2013, 11:48:25
De Long is now dropping minus signs - TWYS.    :)

Obviously, he has other preoccupations.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_023_0.jpg

He didn't drop them. See those dashes in the top columns?

I missed those. Thanks!
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 17 January 2013, 12:46:48
Melville spoke FOUR hours! to the Commercial Club - after dinner! Wow.

And were riveted to the very end. Heck - who wouldn't be riveted to the very end? wish I'd been there.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 17 January 2013, 12:50:10
De Long is now dropping minus signs - TWYS.    :)

Obviously, he has other preoccupations.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_023_0.jpg

He didn't drop them. See those dashes in the top columns?

I missed those. Thanks!

Clewi correctly pointed out that since the minus signs were indicated at the top of the columns in which the postive values are found, we should insert the minus sign in front of all the values below it. I will go back and change mine (drats, I was please not to have to enter them   :'().

It is quite possible that others will miss this too if they don't read the forum or if they interpret TWYS too strictly.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 January 2013, 13:13:30
You might hold off on changes till I check with Phillip.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 17 January 2013, 13:33:09
You could put a note in the reference page about the minus sign - hopefully that'll be the first place that anyone will look at.  ;)

Sorry jil - here's the url for accessing the MANY articles about the Jeannette from the New York Herald (her principal backer)..it moves through many other stories including (how timely) the end of the Rodgers in flames whilst in pursuit of the Jeannette.
http://frontiers.loc.gov/intldl/mtfhtml/mfpercep/igpnyherald.html

And following the  '&c' for etc, see the clip below where Melville himself uses it in starting his short note referencing the discovery of De Long's ill-fated party.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 17 January 2013, 16:13:27
As I dutifully transcribe the four negative temperature readings per line it occurs to me how futile it was to record the decimal place. There is a 3 degree difference between the  two mercurial themometers and about a degree and a half between the spirit ones. Two digits would have been sufficient given the error range. (And I won't mention the wind speed with 1 decimal place and the pressure with sometimes 3 places).

But I wonder if there is any information on how these data were used? Have the logs just been lying on a shelf in the archives all these years or were there some scientific papers based on the data?

And how will the science team handle the 2, 3 and sometimes 4 temperature readings per line? Just curious.

The logbook data was used back in the day as input to the Coast Pilots (meteorology for the first editions of the Pacific Coast Pilot was done by William Dall), Pilot Charts, etc. (&c). But since then I'd say it has been left on the shelf unless someone writes a book or something and it is used for 'atmospherics'. There are some scientific papers out there that were written long ago. No-one before now has had the sophisticated computational resources to run comprehensive reanalysis like 20CR or ERA.

Multiple readings can be used to establish thermometer performance under different conditions, understand exposure bias, derive corrections, estimate uncertainty...
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 18 January 2013, 04:03:12
Sorry jil - here's the url for accessing the MANY articles about the Jeannette from the New York Herald (her principal backer)..it moves through many other stories including (how timely) the end of the Rodgers in flames whilst in pursuit of the Jeannette.
http://frontiers.loc.gov/intldl/mtfhtml/mfpercep/igpnyherald.html
Nooooooooooooo!
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 18 January 2013, 06:19:13
Aaargh, another one - Our Lost Explorers (http://archive.org/details/ourlostexplorers01newc)

I've only had a quick look (too much to read!) but it's got pictures and also mentions the Rodgers.

Actually I'm assuming this is not previously mentioned, this thread is getting quite long so I haven't checked all of it. Would it be possible to have all the links to books etc in one place?
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 18 January 2013, 06:58:22
Quote
Multiple readings can be used to establish thermometer performance under different conditions, understand exposure bias, derive corrections, estimate uncertainty...

But will they select just one or take an average or ... ?
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 January 2013, 08:40:12
Aaargh, another one - Our Lost Explorers (http://archive.org/details/ourlostexplorers01newc)

I've only had a quick look (too much to read!) but it's got pictures and also mentions the Rodgers.

Actually I'm assuming this is not previously mentioned, this thread is getting quite long so I haven't checked all of it. Would it be possible to have all the links to books etc in one place?

Here is the place: American: Links For Further Reading and Research in The Ships, The Battles & The People (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3555.0) ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 18 January 2013, 09:44:07
It all reminds me of this song (in this version  by The Pentangle): Lord Franklin (http://r6---sn-bvvbax-h5oz.c.youtube.com/videoplayback?key=yt1&ip=163.1.38.222&sparams=cp%2Cgcr%2Cid%2Cip%2Cipbits%2Citag%2Cratebypass%2Csource%2Cupn%2Cexpire&upn=OnFmastQ_Ls&cp=U0hUTVVOV19KSkNONF9NSEFIOnoyOVg2YklJS1U4&ipbits=8&itag=43&mt=1358516116&mv=m&ratebypass=yes&id=9551c695b6aa5979&ms=au&source=youtube&gcr=gb&fexp=919111%2C922205%2C916624%2C913113%2C920704%2C912806%2C922403%2C922405%2C929901%2C913605%2C925710%2C929104%2C929110%2C908493%2C920201%2C913302%2C919009%2C900816%2C911116%2C910221%2C901451&sver=3&expire=1358539750&signature=4DAE12126D46958DF78CA503944761892D9C058C.09D9C30080241FC1529C1C301808FD8078C1F7A4)

about the 1845 loss of the Franklin expedition in the high arctic
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 18 January 2013, 11:02:43
Quote
Multiple readings can be used to establish thermometer performance under different conditions, understand exposure bias, derive corrections, estimate uncertainty...

But will they select just one or take an average or ... ?

You need all of them for a substantial interval(s) of time to do it properly. Two years of parallel data is recommended to work out bias corrections but that isn't possible in most cases. In the end a 'best estimate' with error bars would be desired. To my knowledge there hasn't been much attention paid to the few field calibrations available from Arctic expeditions so it's pretty interesting stuff.

By the way, the Royal Society supported an experiment to discover the freezing point of mercury in the 1780s. They arranged for the construction of several very long thermometers (one graduated over 2000 degrees) but these couldn't be properly calibrated for several reasons (one broke, another was simply too long to be practical). They did come up with a reasonable estimate using a mixed suite of more common thermometers (-39 or 40 as I recall).
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 18 January 2013, 11:06:06
Thanks Randi. I'll check through what we've got so far on Jeannette and add them there.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 19 January 2013, 05:09:59
Photos of the officers (http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h52000/h52007.jpg)

From http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-j/jeanette.htm which has lots of images, mostly engravings from Emma De Long's book.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 19 January 2013, 05:46:39
Photos of the officers (http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h52000/h52007.jpg)

From http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-j/jeanette.htm which has lots of images, mostly engravings from Emma De Long's book.

That collage of the officers looks almost as if it would work as a finish or footnote for the Jeanette's reference page.  Knowing the faces to attach to the names in the logs is very rare indeed.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 19 January 2013, 08:26:07
Done ;)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 20 January 2013, 17:40:41
A couple more documents found while setting up the list in The Ships, The Battles & The People:

Early migrations : Arctic drift and ocean currents - Charles Brooks (http://archive.org/details/earlymigrationsa00brooiala) - includes discovery on an ice-floe of relics from the Jeannette (page 8 onwards).
Proceedings of a court of inquiry into loss of the Jeannette (http://archive.org/details/cu31924029884610)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 20 January 2013, 21:19:11
Good find, Jil.  8)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 21 January 2013, 08:03:01
They have not found where the leak is in the Jeannette but they have been able to control the water level at around 12 inches in the water-tight bulkhead with the steam pumps (I'm at Feb 12 now). What I don't understand is why the water doesn't freeze where the leak is, with the outside  temperature hovering around -40 F. They are burning about 1000 to 1300 lbs of coal each day. Presumably, the heat generated is sufficiently circulated to all parts of the ship to keep the water from freezing but I find this surprising.  ???
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 21 January 2013, 08:42:29
The story so far...

Quote
8.2.1880

The Sewell pump is kept going until 3 P.M. all the time at the rate of 35 strokes per minute: - after 3 P.M. it is run about 15 minutes each hour.

An attempt was made to day to do all the pumping by the forward spar deck bilge pump in connection with the Baxter Boiler, steam being got on that boiler by 3 P.M. It was found that by some defect in one of the gates in the water tight bulkhead, enough water flowed aft to necessitate the running of the Sewell pump as above stated. Commenced breaking out provisions and other stores to get down to gate of water tight bulkhead. Fire was kept under the Baxter Boiler to heat the Deckhouse sufficiently to keep the pumps from freezing, between ~ of working; and the pump forward and the pump aft were as occasion required, the gates in water tight bulkhead being kept closed.

Water in the ship to day               8 Am   4 Pm  Midnight
At foremast bilge (step)                 1 inch   1 inch  1 inch
At after port Fore hold  (at gates)  7 1/2 "  4  " 15 "
At the Fire room bilge                    16 "  12 "  15 "

Engineer's Force continued altering main engine bilge pump to a plunger pump.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_039_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_039_1.jpg)

9.2.1880
 
The Sewell pump in the Engine Room is kept running about 15 minutes every hour to pump out such amounts of water as flow aft through leaky gate of water tight bulkhead forward. Fire is kept under Baxter Boiler to heat Deckhouse and as the water accumulated forward of the water tight bulkhead to pump it out by the forward spar deck bilge pump.

Engineer's force continue converting 6 inch piston pump into 3 inch plunger pump and necessary work for fitting Steam Cutters boiler to run the Steam Cutters engine in connection with said pump.

Having broken out the provisions and other stores it was found that an accomodation of dirt and rust prevented the long rod (working from spar deck to close the gate) from working properly on the screw spindle connected with the Stbd. gate. Having cleared it, the gate was closed as far as possible, but enough water forced its way through to necessitate the working of the Sewell pump as above stated. The port gate seemed perfectly tight. To reach the difficulty at the Starboard gate it will be necessary  to cut away the flooring in the small store room between fore hold and coal bunkers, while work will be immediately commenced. The gate is either sprung out of place or broken.

Water in the ship to day                       8 Am   4 Pm  Midnight
At forward side water tight bulkhead 14 "  8  " 13 "
At the Fire Room Bilge                          16 "  15 "  15 "

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_040_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_040_1.jpg)

10.2.1880

Upon getting down to the gate in the water tight bulkhead they are found quite closed, and no leak is apparent through them. There must therefore be some leak through between the frame and the outside planking which of course we cannot get at and therefore cannot remedy. By running the Sewell pump in the Engine room Sometimes five minutes every hour and sometimes ten minutes every hour the water is held in check in the Fire Room bilge. The Baxter Boiler is kept with Steam, running the forward spar deck bilge pump on starboard Side as fast as the water accumulates forward of the water tight bulkhead. This pump is kept running almost steadily.
       
Water in the ship to day                                            8 Am            4 Pm          Midnight
At Step of Fore Mast                                          1 inch           1 inch        1 inch
At auxiliary pump suction (after port Flour Room)                          13 inches  12 inches
At after part Fore Hold (Water tight bulkhead)                              18 "            17 "
At fire Room Bilge                                                     15 inches      8 1/4 "         7 "

Engineer Force engaged in fitting attachments etc. for running bilge pump of main engine by means of Steam-Cutters engine and boiler.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_041_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_041_1.jpg)

11.2.1880

The forward spar deck bilge pump is kept working all day by means of the Baxter Engine, the gates in the water tight bulkhead being kept closed, and the water allowed to accumulate forward of them. The bilge pump holds its own well. By actual observation one half inch of water per hour found its way aft into the Engine Room, and such quantity of it as was not required to feed the main boiler was pumped overboard by the Sewell pump, while the work of filling the Steam Cutters boiler and engine to the main engine bilge pump is ~ nearer to completion. The working of the Cutters engine and its connections with the pump was tried by using steam from the main boiler, and the result was satisfactory. The only work on the rig now on hand is fitting the Steam-Cutters boiler to supply the steam instead of the main boiler.

Water in the ship to day                                            8 Am            4 Pm          Midnight
At Foremast Step                                                  1 inch           1 inch        1 inch
At water tight bulkhead                                             11 inches      14 inches 15 inches

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_042_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_042_1.jpg)

12.2.1880

Although unable to find any leak through the water tight bulkhead, the carpenters have been employed in touching up the doubtful places in it. The Baxter Boiler requiring blowing early this AM. the working of the forward spar deck bilge pump was stopped for about an hour. During this time the the water rose to a height of 30 inches forward of the water tight bulkhead, and the sound of water flowing freely aft between planking and frames could be heard. As a consequence the water rose to a greater height in the fire room bilge. Upon resuming work with the baxter rig the height of the water forward of water tight bulkhead was speedily reduced to 22 inches, when the rapid flow of water aft ceased, only the usual half inch per hour finding its way into the Engine Room.

The Steam Cutters boiler being in readiness Steam was got in it to work the Steam Cutters engine in connection with the converted bilge pump of the main engine. The combination worked well, pumping out the Engine room dry. It was found however that the Cutters boiler was too small to supply steam constantly, the steam running down too low while blowing the boiler or cleaning the fire to keep the pump going steadily. In order to get the greatest effective power of this rig before hauling the fire under the main boiler, the Engineers force commence removing the bridge wall in the furnace of Cutters boiler, and making a new bridge wall, putting in a 16 inch grate bar instead of a 9 inch grate bar and thus increase the grate surface from 144 square inches to 256 square inches.   

Water in the ship to day                                            8 Am            4 Pm          Midnight
At water tight bulkhead                                             12 inches      17 inches 12 inches
At Fire Room bilge                                            8 "                  7 "              6 "         

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_043_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_043_1.jpg)

13.2.1880

Completed the work of removing the bridge wall of steam cutters furnace and placing 16 inch grate bars instead of 9 inch grate bars. Got steam on cutters boiler again and found upon lengthened trial that the alteration before mentioned made it possible to work continuously the rig to main engine bilge pump, and thus keep the bilge nearly dry. Hauled the fires under the main boiler, run all the water from it, and drained out all engine and boiler pipes to prevent their freezing, and pumped the bilge dry with Steam Cutter rig.

The forward spar deck bilge pump is kept running all day by the Baxter Engine, holding its own, well, with the water accumulating forward of water tight bulkhead. Enough water finds its way aft through some undiscovered leak between frames and planking to keep the Steam Cutters rig going.

Crew engaged in trimming coal in after bunkers in order to make Storage of some of the provisions which are now encumbering the spar deck. Carpenters continue to place filling material between frames forward of of [sic] the bulkhead constructed across fore peak, as there is a slight oozing of water upward and along the berth deck keeping that place constantly damp.

Water in the ship to day                                            8 Am            4 Pm          Midnight
At water tight bulkhead                                             10 inches     8 inches  13 1/2 inches
At Fire Room bilge                                          13 "             10 "              3 1/2 "   

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_044_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_044_1.jpg)

15.2.1880

The forward spar deck bilge pump is kept running all day by the Baxter engine. The Steam Cutters engine in connection with the main engine bilge pump is kept running about 15 minutes every hour. Water held in check in that manner.

The pressure of  water between the ceiling and planking forward of the bulkhead constructed across fore peak has been so great as to force water out on the berth deck on the port side, keeping that portion of the ship wet and uncomfortable. Carpenters at work attempting to remedy  the ~ by fresh fillings and by tightening the ~ work under the berths on port side.

Water in the ship to day                                            8 Am            4 Pm          Midnight
At water tight bulkhead                                             14 inches     9 inches    6 inches
At Fire Room bilge                                             5 "               9 "              0 " 

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_046_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_046_1.jpg)

16.2.1880

The forward spar deck bilge pump is kept running all day in connection with the Baxter engine, while the main engine bilge pump is kept running by the Steam Cutters engine fifteen minutes every hour, and the remainder of the time the Steam Cutters boiler is used for distilling water for drinking and cooking.

Water in the ship to day                                            8 Am            4 Pm          Midnight
At water tight bulkhead                                             10 inches   14 inches    5 inches
At Fire Room bilge                                             6 "               4 "              0 " 
...
Crew engaged in storing provisions from deck down in after coal bunker.
...
Succeeded partially in stopping the dripping and running of water on the berth deck.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_047_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_047_1.jpg)

17.2.1880

The forward spar deck bilge pump is kept running all day in connection with the Baxter Boiler and engine, and the steam cutters engine and boiler is employed in the Engine Room in pumping 15 minutes every hour and the balance of the time in distilling water. Fitted an attachment to the Baxter Boiler to day to steam and thaw concentrated dog food.

Water in the ship to day                                            8 Am            4 Pm          Midnight
At water tight bulkhead                                             14 inches     9 inches    6 inches
At Fire Room bilge                                          2 1/2 "               0 "              2 "

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_049_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_049_1.jpg)

21.2.1880

The work of pumping by steam proceeds as usual. Careful calculation of the work performed by both pumps gives 1647 gallons of water per hour as the amount pumped out of the Ship. Of this, 179 gallons leaks through abaft the water tight bulkhead and finding its way aft to the Engine room is pumped out by the Steam Cutter rig; - the balance is pumped out by the forward spar deck bilge pump running in connection with the Baxter engine and boiler.

Water in the ship to day                                            8 Am            4 Pm          Midnight
At water tight bulkhead                                             12 inches    12 inches   13 inches
At Fire Room bilge                                            3 "                  2 "               2 " 

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_053_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_053_1.jpg)

25.2.1880

The forward spar deck bilge pump is run as usual by the Baxter Engine until 9 AM when it is disconnected and the engine dismounted in order to scale the boiler. This boiler being designed for fresh water or water nearly fresh, its water spaces and feed pipes are small and easily choked by salt. Having been in steady use for over a month scaling was absolutely necessary. While this work is going on the forward spar deck bilge pump is worked by hand, requiring the steady pumping of one man.

Water which leaks aft into Engine Room is pumped out as usual by the Steam Cutters engine running the main engine bilge pump.

Water in the ship to day                                            8 Am            4 Pm          Midnight
At water tight bulkhead                                             10 inches    4 inches   7inches
At Fire Room bilge                                              1 "                  1 "              3 "   

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_057_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_057_1.jpg)

26.2.1880

Worked the forward spar deck bilge pump by hand until 10 Pm at which time the Baxter boiler, being scaled and cleaned, was again used. The Steam Cutters boiler and engine were employed in connection with the main engine bilge pump about 15 minutes every hour, the remainder of the time being devoted to distilling.

Water in the ship to day                                            8 Am            4 Pm          Midnight
At water tight bulkhead                                              8 inches      8 inches     9 inches
At Fire Room bilge                                            1 1/2 "                  1 "            1 1/2 "   

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_058_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_058_1.jpg)

1.3.1880

The Steam Cutters engine keeps the main engine bilge pump running as required, 15 minutes every hour, the remaining 45 minutes being occupied in distilling. The forward spar deck bilge pump is run as usual by the Baxter Engine and boiler until 10.30 Pm when the crown sheet of the boiler was found to be coming down from heat and pressure. The fire was hauled and the steam used to blow out the boiler. Upon examination it was found that scale had formed in a light spongy mass on the crown sheet differing from the ordinary deposit of scale. As the boiler had been scaled and cleaned four days ago, the occurence above noted can hardly be accounted for, as ~: Commenced working the forward spar deck bilge pump by hand.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_062_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_062_1.jpg)

2.3.1880

The main engine bilge pump is worked as necessary by the Steam Cutters engine, and distilling is continued at other times. Engaged in cleaning and repairing Baxter Boiler. Heated and jacked the crown sheet back to its place, and to prevent the accumulation of sediment over the center of ~ same, rigged a surface blow cock and pipe to carry the sediment from this particular part of the boiler. To overcome defect arising from leaky piston, cut two annular grooves around solid piston and prepared to fill the same with Babbitt Metal, casting the same with the piston in place. The forward spar deck bilge pump is worked by hand throughout the day.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_063_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 21 January 2013, 08:45:33
If it is a small hole might it not close up because of the pressure of water moving through the hole? Can't recall enough physics but  I think this might be so.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 21 January 2013, 09:53:08
That sounds right, Joan. From Clewi's posting for 21 Feb. we see that almost 30 gallons per minute is entering the ship.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 21 January 2013, 10:01:28
Some snippets from The voyage of the Jeannette Vol. 1 (http://archive.org/details/voyageofjeannett001delo):

In a letter from De Long to Mr. Bennett about the ship "I am perfectly satisfied with her. She is everything I want for the expedition, but a little small for all I want to carry in her"

In a letter from De Long to Chipp "Requirements for crew: Single men ; perfect health; considerable strength; perfect temperance; cheerfulness; ability to read and write English; prime seamen of course. A musician, if possible. Norwegians, Swedes, and Danes preferred. Avoid English, Scotch and Irish. Refuse point blank French, Italians and Spaniards."

"One theorist wrote solemnly that the explorers were on the verge of a great discovery before which the discovery of America by Columbus would pale, for they were to enter a region above 87th degree of latitude, where a tropical heat would meet them issuing from the hollow centre of the earth."  :o

"A well-wisher of the expedition disclosed the valuable properties of cat-tails which, when packed as a wadding between two cloths, made the most perfect non-conductor of heat."  I don't remember those on the lists so they must have ignored this helpful advice!
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 21 January 2013, 10:34:32
That sounds right, Joan. From Clewi's posting for 21 Feb. we see that almost 30 gallons per minute is entering the ship.

And this is one month later!  :o Anyway, there's quite a bit of constant water circulation. The pumps can handle it quite well after some modifications. For comparison: the ice in the sounding hole freezes some 5-8 inches deep every 24 hours. That's on the outside, some 150 yards away from the ship or so.   
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 21 January 2013, 10:50:00
I'm still surprised there is not  ice forming in the bottom of the ship. Of course, the water is constantly moving but there must be some sections where it isn't. Is the heat circulation that good that it prevents freezing?
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 21 January 2013, 11:15:26
?One theorist wrote solemnly that the explorers were on the verge of a great discovery before which the discovery of America by Columbus would pale, for they were to enter a region above 87th degree of latitude, where a tropical heat would meet them issuing from the hollow centre of the earth.?  :o

Jil, I have a book called The Last Imaginary Place: A Human History of the Arctic World, by Robert McGhee. There have been myths about the Arctic and Antarctic that survived into the 20th century through literature despite knowledge brought back from explorers and whalers. Edgar Allen Poe, Jules Verne and others were responsible for perpetuating these myths.

"Poe must have been familiar with the views of an eccentric American army officer, John Symmes, who wrote on the bizarre concept that broad entrances at the North and South poles gave access to the habitable interior of the earth. It seems likely that Symmes merely elaborated an idea that had been proposed by seventeenth-century English astronomer Edmund Halley, the scholar who also discovered the periodic return of the comet that now bears his name.  Halley had suggested that the earth was hollow and habitable, lit by luminous gases that occasionally escaped through polar orfices to cause the aurora."  p. 31
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 21 January 2013, 12:02:10
I'm still surprised there is not  ice forming in the bottom of the ship. Of course, the water is constantly moving but there must be some sections where it isn't. Is the heat circulation that good that it prevents freezing?

I recall before the major leaking began the was some ice in the bilges. But between the high rate of flow and the heat inside a well-insulated space (banked with snow and covered with a deckhouse) 29 F seawater wouldn't be able to lose enough heat to freeze before it is pumped out. I bet there is some inside the cofferdam though.

Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 21 January 2013, 12:19:01
Thanks, Kevin. Now I am wondering what they meant by "Early daylight at 5.15 AM"? This is February 14 at 72 degrees North latitude. This doesn't mean sunrise, of course, but it's still dark here in Ottawa/Gatineau (45 N) at 7 AM February 21.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_045_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 21 January 2013, 12:52:55
"between ~ of working" - Spells ?

Quote
2.3.1880

The main engine bilge pump is worked as necessary by the Steam Cutters engine, and distilling is continued at other times. Engaged in cleaning and repairing Baxter Boiler. Heated and jacked the crown sheet back to its place, and to prevent the accumulation of sediment over the center of ~ same, rigged a surface blow cock and pipe to carry the sediment from this particular part of the boiler. To overcome defect arising from leaky piston, cut two annular grooves around solid piston and prepared to fill the same with Babbitt Metal, casting the same with the piston in place. The forward spar deck bilge pump is worked by hand throughout the day.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_058_1.jpg

Wrong link? (063 ?)
"of ~ same" - the ?
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 21 January 2013, 13:29:18
Thanks, Kevin. Now I am wondering what they meant by "Early daylight at 5.15 AM"? This is February 14 at 72 degrees North latitude. This doesn't mean sunrise, of course, but it's still dark here in Ottawa/Gatineau (45 N) at 7 AM February 21.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_045_1.jpg

Here is a nifty service from the US Naval Observatory. You can compute a table for hours of darkness/light for any position on Earth for a year (and many other interesting things).

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/

I couldn't imagine what 'early daylight' would be unless their clocks are way off local meridian time, or he means that everyone was called-to for some reason. The manager of Palmer station used to arbitrarily change the days of the week - say if we arrived with a load of supplies on Sunday that day would be changed to Friday so by the time we'd cleared out it would be Sunday again (I don't know why they just didn't take Tuesday off)....
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 21 January 2013, 13:48:12
"between ~ of working" - Spells ?

Wrong link? (063 ?)
"of ~ same" - the ?

Fixed!
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 21 January 2013, 14:03:30
That sounds right, Joan. From Clewi's posting for 21 Feb. we see that almost 30 gallons per minute is entering the ship.
:o :o :o not a chance of bunging up with ice then!
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 21 January 2013, 15:13:57
"frames forward of of [sic] the"
"frames forward of of the"

http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3078.msg54137#msg54137
Quote
Again, please do not 'correct' entries which seem to be wrong; similarly, please do not add anything that has not been written in the log.
... tempting though it is ;)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 21 January 2013, 16:23:51
"frames forward of of [sic] the"
"frames forward of of the"

http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3078.msg54137#msg54137
Quote
Again, please do not 'correct' entries which seem to be wrong; similarly, please do not add anything that has not been written in the log.
... tempting though it is ;)

 :o I didn't even notice it!
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kathy on 22 January 2013, 13:51:45
Don't forget that salt water freezes at a much lower temperature that fresh water -
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 22 January 2013, 14:19:12
At about -2 C, depending on the salinity.  The surface water temperature reported occasionally in the log is 27 F (or -2.5 C). In 24 hours there is about 6 inches of ice formed over the sounding hole.

In the last page of the Jeannette I transcribed, the air temperature got down to -50 F. That's even chillier than here in Gatineau. The forecast low tonight for us is -28 C (- 18 F).
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 22 January 2013, 14:39:27
If the sounding hole temperature converges toward 28 F as air temperature goes up that will be a clue that the reading might be cold-biased since the observer likely had to bring the thermometer up to his eye to read it in the dimness and if wicked cold that would quickly affect the value. It would be nice to find a more description of their method...
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 22 January 2013, 14:40:56
...more (detailed) description...
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 22 January 2013, 14:44:20
You can edit your posts with the Modify option ;)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kathy on 22 January 2013, 14:47:13
The thought of that low a temperature horrifies me -   :o

(a Southerner)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 22 January 2013, 14:49:55
Some more from The voyage of the Jeannette Vol. 1 (http://archive.org/details/voyageofjeannett001delo):

From a letter to Mrs De Long on July 13 1879:

"As the wind freshened the sea got up, and as we were so deeply loaded it broke over us in all directions. For three days we had a very uncomfortable time. Seas were breaking over her rail all the time, and the ship rolled and wallowed like a pig."

"Collins and Newcomb promptly went under with sea-sickness, and for three days they were as miserable men as you ever saw. Then the cook got sea-sick, and we had to scratch around for something to eat. The boy seemed to disappear from everybody's gaze for three days, when the doctor found him in the port chart-room, hugging the lockers, and such a specimen. He was just a shadow of his former self, his long pig-tail all in a confused mass of hair flying to the wind, and looking like a corpse resurrected. We gave him some chloroform
which straightened him up, and then made him take the lee wheel to keep him in the air, for I really feared he might die. If you could have seen him clutch that wheel frantically whenever she rolled or a sea came on board, with his eyes starting out of his head, and his tongue cleaving to the roof of his mouth, you would understand the amount of anguish he was enduring."

"Chipp is, as he always was and always will be, calm and earnest. He has always something to do, and is always doing it in that quiet, steady, and sure manner of his. He smiles rarely and says very little, but I know where he is and how reliable and true he is in every respect. He is putting everything in order quietly and steadily, and he has everything reduced already to a system. To-day, when I inspected the ship she was as neat as a pin, the men nicely dressed, and everything looking more like a man-of-war than it ever had before. Danenhower is the same as ever, does his work well, and navigates correctly. Melville is as bright as a dollar and as cheerful as possible all the time. He sits on my left at table, and helps me to carve and serve out. We broke a pump-rod two days ago. Some engineers would have wanted to stop the ship a few days for this, or perhaps turn back. Not he; he says, ''All right; we will run without a pump-rod, hey brother, and when we get in I will make you a new pump-rod or fifty of them." I believe he could make an engine out of a few barrel hoops if he tried hard. He is one of the strong points in this expedition. He and Dr. Ambler are much alike in some respects. The doctor is all I would have him, bright and cheerful under all circumstances. During our bad weather he was around all the time, cheering up Collins and Newcomb, holding up the Chinese cook, when necessary, and facing the music like a man. Poor Collins was so sick that he could easily have lost his mother and not have known it. His puns died out for a few days, but he is getting back to them again. Newcomb in his turn deserves mention. He will, I think, come out all right ; he has grit and goes to work like a little man. He was hardly able to stand before he had his lines over the side fishing for albatross, and no sooner had he caught a good one, measuring seven feet across the wings, than he skinned it and got it ready for mounting. He knows all about his business, every bit. He has his little place in the port chartroom all fixed up with his tools, and is as happy as can be. Mr. Dunbar is as grave and serious as ever. He frequently speaks about making "pahsages to the South Seas," etc., and has quite a fund of general information which will no doubt be useful to draw from hereafter. Cole and Sweetman are just the same as they were coming around. Cole, as usual, says nothing, but stands his watch looking all around the horizon as if for a wind. Sweetman looks after the provisions as before, and he and Danenhower have solemn consultations about weights and measures."
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 22 January 2013, 15:03:48
Good thing none of us has "solemn conversations about weights and measures"  ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 22 January 2013, 15:34:04
...more (detailed) description...

It was late November and the log had been showing water temperature at a constant 32 F for several months (recorded hourly). By then, the air temperature was near zero F and finally on Nov. 27th they recorded a water temp of 27 F and on the 28th it was 30.5 F. After that it has been 27 F right throught to almost the end of February (where I am now). Once they got stuck in the ice there is usually a single daily water temp. reading when they do the sounding.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 23 January 2013, 12:55:59
Interesting to note the drop in coal consumption towards the end of Febuary, just when the temperature is the coldest. Typical use before that was over 1 ton per day but now it is sometimes down to less than 500 lbs
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 25 January 2013, 08:13:27
A faint gleam of sunlight was visible in Northern horizon at 1 and 2 AM. And at 4 a ruddy tint was to be seen on horizon to NNE.  (March 10, 1880).

How could this happen? He must have mistaken the aurora for sunlight, yet you would think he could tell the difference. Sunlight would be relatively constant.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_071_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 25 January 2013, 08:26:27
Have a look at this topic: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3009.0
It sounds like you might be having the same confusion as I had (OK, have ;)) ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 25 January 2013, 09:05:37
Well, that's one part of my confusion, but the other is how can he have seen a gleam of sunlight at 1 and 2 AM on March 10th at that latitude?

I looked at the sunrise-sunset tables that Kevin gave a link to and my only hypotheses are that De Long has miscalculated the time zone, or he has mistaken the aurora for the sun. At that latitude on March 10 the sun rises about 8:10 AM. But how could he be off by that much?
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 25 January 2013, 09:47:41
Frankly the day's report is a bit of a mess...I think the gleam of orange was candle light through a large whisky.

Near the arctic sunrise in March is going to be close to 9 o'clock
 - 8.10 seems very reasonable presuming that he has been moving his
clocks back according to with their slow float to the NW.

If the aurora is faint and distant it just appears as a glow
rather than those dramatic curtains.

His text includes the following:
1) Early daylight at 3 am  (weather code shows bcz)
2) Rising temp midnight to noon, & falling temp noon to midnight (exactly the opposite is noted)
3) A faint glimmer of Sun light was visible in Northern horizon at 1 and 2 AM,
4) and at 4 a ruddy tint was seen on horizon to NNE.
5) At 1 Am faint arch extending from WNW to NE 20o in Act to N:
6) at 2 faint arch 30o in Act to N. brightest in West, the same continuing at 3.
7) At 4 faint Auroral gleam in West
8) At 9 PM low flat arch 5o in Act to N.
9) at 11 irregular Curtain arch 15o in Act to N, extending
from NE to WNW with streamers toward zenith from eastern end.

3 o'clock is mentioned twice: lines 1 and 6 above
It really is a bit messy.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 25 January 2013, 10:06:05
Those are negative temps, Joan, so the warmest is indeed about 2 to 3 PM. But it's not just one drink of whisky. He has been reporting "early daylight" for the last month.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 25 January 2013, 11:23:55
May be a bit of whiskey mixed with wishful thinking, if he is suffering from SAD (seasonal depression) - my 9 hour days bring that out in winter.  The 24 hour nights of the high arctic mid-winter nights must be literally deadly for anyone with that problem.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 25 January 2013, 11:28:43
I don't know if this helps at all but from his journal entry for that date:

"Beginning with the first flush of dawn at three A. M., and ending with the disappearance of twilight at nine p. M., our days are beginning to be very long. At six A. M. the anemometer can be read without artificial light. Whenever at night there is no aurora, we can see a faint gleam of light on the northern horizon at midnight, and thus trace the entire circuit of the sun."
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 25 January 2013, 11:49:37
So he's looking at a 2 to 3 hour dawn and another 2 to 3 hour dusk.  That makes things easier to understand.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 25 January 2013, 12:01:53
Those are negative temps, Joan, so the warmest is indeed about 2 to 3 PM. But it's not just one drink of whisky. He has been reporting "early daylight" for the last month.

Oh negative temps! I suppose they would be - brrrr.
Now - isn't there some weird thing like sundogs that mean you can see the sun before you can really see the sun?  Time to investigate
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 25 January 2013, 12:03:14
Thanks for that, Jill. Nevertheless, in Barrow Alaska, which is about the same longitude, the "nautical twilight" began at 5:49 AM and ended at 21:29 PM on March 10, 1880 according to this calculator. De Long reports about 9 PM so that is close for the night twilight. But his 3 AM "gleam of sunlight" is puzzling indeed.

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/RS_OneYear.php
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 25 January 2013, 12:05:25
Perhaps it's the condemned meat fed to the dogs that's coming back to haunt him  :D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 25 January 2013, 12:22:01
I thought I posted this earlier but I guess I didn't. Is there any interest in these black bulb in vacuo temperatures in the right margin? Are they of any use to the science team? This instrument measures solar radiation.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_074_0.jpg
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 25 January 2013, 12:24:16
Alpenglow? Perhaps would not show up that early.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpenglow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auroral_light
Auroras seen near the magnetic pole may be high overhead, but from farther away, they illuminate the northern horizon as a greenish glow or sometimes a faint red, as if the Sun were rising from an unusual direction.

Any good?
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 25 January 2013, 12:34:14
I thought I posted this earlier but I guess I didn't. Is there any interest in these black bulb in vacuo temperatures in the right margin? Are they of any use to the science team? This instrument measures solar radiation.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_074_0.jpg

Shouldn't we be able to see a link between these figs. and the aurora then?  :-\
Forget that- I'm getting solar radiation mixed up with Solar wind  :(
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 25 January 2013, 12:44:48
Alpenglow? Perhaps would not show up that early.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpenglow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auroral_light
Auroras seen near the magnetic pole may be high overhead, but from farther away, they illuminate the northern horizon as a greenish glow or sometimes a faint red, as if the Sun were rising from an unusual direction.

Any good?

Sounds plausible, Joan.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 25 January 2013, 12:58:06
I sent a message to Kevin ;)
All I can think of is strange effects resulting from the ice and the haze :-\



Craig - You posted the black bulb in "Barometers, Instrumentation and Specifications by Ship - Phase 3"
My suggestion would be to add them as events and/or post them here :-\
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 25 January 2013, 13:00:53
I thought I posted this earlier but I guess I didn't. Is there any interest in these black bulb in vacuo temperatures in the right margin? Are they of any use to the science team? This instrument measures solar radiation.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_074_0.jpg

My best guess is any and all such numbers should be noted, since Jeanette is providing the only climate data for that immediate region those years that will ever be available to any scientist.  They were a science ship and everyone knows they were  loaded down with different instruments.  I can't imagine there won't be various scientists wanting to know everything in these pages that is specific numbers, several times over the next few decades.  This one would probably be an Event.

Hi, Randi.  :)
You saved me writing Kevin.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 25 January 2013, 14:19:57
If you include the text B.B. in Vacuo / B.B. in Air with the number (three cheers for Firefox!), they can probably search on that.
Just put a note here or, perhaps better, in the Barometers etc. section, so the scientists know what to look for.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 25 January 2013, 15:28:36
This becomes a regular daily feature, Randi. There are 3 or 4 measurements per day, usually in the early afternoon, up until April 12. Sometimes there are many:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_101_0.jpg

After April 12 that he only records the maximum B. B. temperature in a specific period that varies:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_104_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_125_0.jpg

It would be quite a chore to transcribe all of this unless science team thinks it is worth the effort. It would be easier to put it in an Event than on the Forum.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 25 January 2013, 16:58:17
A faint gleam of sunlight was visible in Northern horizon at 1 and 2 AM. And at 4 a ruddy tint was to be seen on horizon to NNE.  (March 10, 1880).

How could this happen? He must have mistaken the aurora for sunlight, yet you would think he could tell the difference. Sunlight would be relatively constant.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_071_1.jpg

My best guess is a mirage. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novaya_Zemlya_effect. The sun is near the horizon most of the day at 72 N 165 E (within the definitions of nautical and astronomical twilight), and in the North quadrant at the time in question. I imagine a glint or glow could be seen, especially in a dark environment with eyes well adjusted. You can obtain the altitude and azimuth table for any position at the link below. I guessed the position above for 10 Mar 1880 so this might be refined with a precise position put into the calculator.

Altitude and azimuth
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/AltAz.php

Definitions of twilight
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/RST_defs.php
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 25 January 2013, 17:27:08
This becomes a regular daily feature, Randi. There are 3 or 4 measurements per day, usually in the early afternoon, up until April 12. Sometimes there are many:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_101_0.jpg

After April 12 that he only records the maximum B. B. temperature in a specific period that varies:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_104_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_125_0.jpg

It would be quite a chore to transcribe all of this unless science team thinks it is worth the effort. It would be easier to put it in an Event than on the Forum.

Do what is easiest.  It is an Event, as such is optional.  And it is now in the forum. :)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 25 January 2013, 18:49:05
I will be glad to transcribe this information if Kevin says it's worth the trouble. I would be curious to know how it could be used?

I think Randi suggested that the information could go in the Air box, along with the usual air temp? That would be convenient until we get to the point where there is only one reading per day. In that case, an Event would be best, since the hour is variable from that point on.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 25 January 2013, 19:05:26
I will be glad to transcribe this information if Kevin says it's worth the trouble. I would be curious to know how it could be used?

I think Randi suggested that the information could go in the Air box, along with the usual air temp? That would be convenient until we get to the point where there is only one reading per day. In that case, an Event would be best, since the hour is variable from that point on.

No! I don't think it should go in the Air box! ;D
- Although looking at my message, I can see that it is ambiguous :-[
I suggested using the Event box and putting the text "B.B. in Vacuo" or "B.B. in Air" with the number so that scientists could search for it.
No need to put the numbers here! You might just add a note in the Barometers thread that they have been transcribed.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 26 January 2013, 15:00:01
I will be glad to transcribe this information if Kevin says it's worth the trouble. I would be curious to know how it could be used?


Any comments in this, Kevin? I have been transcribing the  B.B. in vacuo numbers with the corresponding hours but I haven't bothered picking up the related air temperatures since these are almost the same as those recorded in the Air box (rounded to the nearest degree). In any case, about a month later he only shows the in vacuo number (and only the maximum within a time range rather than hourly).
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 26 January 2013, 20:24:20
Black-bulb thermometers were used to study solar radiation, but I personally have never dealt with these measurements. I will send a PM to Philip to see what he thinks, and I can also poll colleagues specializing in radiation. I expect there are boffins out there that would be quite interested - as the case turns out with aurora to Solar Stormwatch.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 26 January 2013, 20:52:22
Note to Clewi & others transcribing aurora: I asked the PI of Solar Stormwatch about whether these obs would be useful. Here is his answer:

"That's a definite yes! Building up historical sequences of auroral observations is really quite important in studying solar activity before the space age."

I guess we'll be talking about this some more, but if aurora interests you I'd say the prime directive applies: if you enjoy it, keep doing it (and it looks like there is good reason to). AFTER the vegetables please!  :)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 26 January 2013, 21:02:59
Aye, Capt'n! I'll take care of DeLong's aurora-mania!  ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 27 January 2013, 10:03:42
I will be glad to transcribe this information if Kevin says it's worth the trouble. I would be curious to know how it could be used?


 I have been transcribing the  B.B. in vacuo numbers with the corresponding hours but I haven't bothered picking up the related air temperatures since these are almost the same as those recorded in the Air box (rounded to the nearest degree). In any case, about a month later he only shows the in vacuo number (and only the maximum within a time range rather than hourly).

Just realized that we can't ignore the air temps. because they are black bulb too. It was only coincidence that they matched the standard air temps that one day. I have gone back and captured them. I'm slow but I eventually get it right  ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 27 January 2013, 10:09:59
;D :-*
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 27 January 2013, 12:23:15
DeLong is innovating his treatment of decimals. He started to put the decimal value as a superscript to the right of the number rather than using a period. I still record the superscript as a decimial point, just like I use an apostrophe for southward when this is abbreviated with the cardinal direction followed by a superscript "d".
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 27 January 2013, 12:35:01
Perfect. :)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: philip.brohan on 28 January 2013, 11:03:43
Re: Black Bulbs

I'm intrigued by these - I've only seen systematic black-bulb measurements in the records from the Challenger Expedition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Challenger_expedition) (they did all sorts of strange measurements - masthead thermometers, wool-wrapped thermometers, ...)

In theory you can use these measurements to make inferences about solar radiation, and perhaps also about the way the expedition was using its conventional thermometers (thermometer exposure). But in practice we're unlikely to do this, because it would be difficult and it would only help on the very rare occasions that we get black-bulb measurements.

So we probably won't use them in mainstream oldweather, so don't feel obliged to transcribe them all. With the future in mind, though, I would like a record that they are making the measurements, so we know where to find them if somebody does take an interest. So thanks for mentioning them in the forum, please also put at least one of them in as an event whenever a batch of them first appears. Otherwise, treat them as regular events - transcribe them if you think they are interesting, but they are not required.

Please don't put black-bulb temperatures anywhere in the regular weather form - they are completely different from regular thermometers and they will only confuse the analysis. (You already know this, but just to be sure).

Thanks, Philip
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 28 January 2013, 11:54:02
That's good to know, Philip. I have transcribed a couple of week's worth so far (March- April 1880). They are now doing them hourly from 4 AM to 7 PM. I am putting them in the Events tab. Here's the most recent example: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_096_0.jpg

But beginning here http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_104_0.jpg they only record the maximum BB in vacuo temperature.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 31 January 2013, 08:47:54
Here is the change of position of the Jeannette from drifting in the ice floe after 6 months:

27 Oct 1879   N 71 57 10   W 177 50
23 Apr 1880   N 72 50 17   W 178 52
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 03 February 2013, 07:33:55
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The ship is found to be west of the 180th Meridian by todays observations, but the date is not changed at present lest she should within a few days drift to the Eastward of said Meridian and require a second change. Until the date IS changed however, the correct local day will be written in RED INK UNDER the usual heading of the Log page.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_127_1.jpg

In this case there are two dates:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_128_1.jpg

Should we ignore the date in red? I will enter the second date under the first one and in parentheses (like on the log page) until further notice.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 03 February 2013, 11:31:17
My instinct is to do exactly what you are doing - TWYS (British date format) in a single box.  But since they continue to do that for months, I'm also asking Philip.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 February 2013, 15:46:59
Last time we had notations in red ink, they were something that had been added by someone analyzing the data... Sorry - I see that the red ink was noted by the log keeper.

Making two entries like you are doing seems like the best thing to do for now. With the second in parenthesis they will know that there is something odd.
I have seen this before on US ships. I'm not sure if that was someone else on Jeannette or if it was on another ship.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 04 February 2013, 09:51:00
Philip agrees with you, Craig.

It's amazing the number of ways log-keepers manage to complicate things.
I'd really like the date that's consistent with the reported longitude (the red date - which the log-keeper obviously feels slightly guilty about not using) but I think we need to stick with TWYS, so Craig is right as usual, please put in both.

...on Jeanette.  It goes on for months.  Craig is TWYS and putting both in dd/mm/yyyy (dd/mm/yyyy) but is that right.  In 350-or-so ships, no one has ever done this before.

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The ship is found to be west of the 180th Meridian by todays observations, but the date is not changed at present lest she should within a few days drift to the Eastward of said Meridian and require a second change. Until the date IS changed however, the correct local day will be written in RED INK UNDER the usual heading of the Log page.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_127_1.jpg

In this case there are two dates:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_128_1.jpg

Should we ignore the date in red? I will enter the second date under the first one and in parentheses (like on the log page) until further notice.

Thanks,
Janet

I think it has a lot to do with not having a port to go to on the other side of the International Dateline.  They are just sailing in circles, not speaking to anyone over there, before coming back across and it's mentally less confusing to not keep switching the ship's calendar back and forth.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 04 February 2013, 10:48:42
I only TWIS  ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 08 February 2013, 07:45:59
De Long occasionally overlaps a line when writing cloud types at you can see at 1 AM but also at 3 AM. The "Str" obviously belongs to 3 AM even thought it is at the top of 4 AM. One might be inclined to record 4 AM as 'Str " ' and 3 AM as only 'Nim' but I think this would be wrong. Of course, a strict adherence to TWYS would invalidate my interpretation.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_163_0.jpg

Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 08 February 2013, 09:05:23
You know the ship better, but looking just at this page I am not convinced :-\
Since the Nimb is at the bottom of the 3am box, I would say that the 3am cloud code is nim. At 11pm there are two lines of clouds codes and the first line is in the middle of the box.
My interpretation would be that someone put the ditto for nim and then decided that there were stratus clouds as well.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 08 February 2013, 09:20:42
In this particular case I am not convinced either, because he would have written the Str above the Nim, not the other way round, because it's usually the topmost layer. But in general I agree that DeLong often has trouble to stay within the lines, rendering many entries quite ambiguous this way. Wow! Present tense! I think I need a few days off! LOL!
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 08 February 2013, 09:29:21
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1432.msg38218;topicseen#msg38218 ;)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 08 February 2013, 10:08:29
For about a week in January I kept thinking it was February because of the Jeannette log. I haven't been writing 1880 on my cheques yet, though.  ;D

Nim is above Str at 10 AM here
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_189_0.jpg

Here's one where he spills over  (5 AM)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_181_0.jpg

The cloud code normally follows the ditto and is at the bottom of the box  when he intends it to be in that box (12 PM).
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_184_0.jpg



Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 08 February 2013, 10:29:08
I think each person just has to use their judgement. If you are sure it is a spill-over, then enter it in the first hour. If there is any doubt, split it.
I don't think it happens often enough to throw off global warming calculations ;)



For more discussion of cloud codes, see Cloud Code Questions (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3585.0)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 08 February 2013, 10:42:52
@Craig, you're right, could be a spill-over. I have stratus clouds mentally wired with medium to high alt layers, like Cir-Str, so I might be biased here. Perhaps DeLong entered it at a later time, because it's quite unusual even for him.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 08 February 2013, 10:51:40
I don't think it happens often enough to throw off global warming calculations ;)

You've heard of the butterfly effect ...  ;D

I agree, Clewi - De Long usually puts Nimb last.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 08 February 2013, 11:01:29
I don't think it happens often enough to throw off global warming calculations ;)

You've heard of the butterfly effect ...  ;D

I agree, Clewi - De Long usually puts Nimb last.
Because of our interface, TWYS does not include line breaks.  So I go with Philip's rule for everything that is ambiguous - guess extravagantly!
 ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 08 February 2013, 11:09:28
Ah! licence to be creative! I'm going to get another cup of tea!  :D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 13 February 2013, 16:51:11
So it's either July 5 or July 6 according to the log and they decide to dress up the ship to celebrate Independence Day.  ???

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_188_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 13 February 2013, 17:12:29
http://gurukul.american.edu/heintze/fourth.htm
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Its interesting to note as well that when July 4th fell on a Sunday, the anniversary was celebrated in most places on Monday, July 5:

List of years that July 4 fell on Sunday: 1779, 1784, 1790, 1802, 1813, 1819, 1824, 1830, 1841, 1847, 1852, 1858, 1869, 1875, 1880, 1886, 1897, 1909, 1915, 1920, 1926, 1937, 1943, 1948, 1954, 1965, 1971, 1976, 1982, 1993, 1999, 2004

Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 13 February 2013, 17:26:50
Thanks, Randy Randi. I guess they didn't want the celebrations to interfere with sabbath devotions.

As if it would make any difference when you are beset in an ice floe and drifing North West of Herald Island.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 13 February 2013, 18:27:45
I'd guess that they didn't want to miss a day of vacation - just like today!
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 13 February 2013, 18:45:27
I'm thinking that sticking to custom and ritual would be more important while stuck in floating ice, as a kind of emotional anchor.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 13 February 2013, 19:02:27
I think you've hit the nail on the head there Janet...they will be able to imagine that their families are doing similar things at the same time...that must count for a lot.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 15 February 2013, 11:14:31
De Long started recording water temperature and specfic gravity at the surface and at two depths. I transcribed all this information the first few times but I won't continue unless the science team wants it. Surface water temperature is recorded once a day on the weather page.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_207_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 15 February 2013, 12:15:07
Water temperature at several depths - definitely, thanks. Especially if they keep it up through freeze-up. This will tell us a lot about how solar radiation is being stored/partitioned and released in a stratified surface layer or whether it is being mixed down or... This is still a current problem since it is so hard to make these measurements in the marginal ice zone even today.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 15 February 2013, 12:21:52
This is the latest technology for high endurance surface sampling:
http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/arctic/glider/
http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/story/Carbon+Wave+Glider
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 15 February 2013, 15:01:26
Pretty nifty technology, Kevin!

I think I might have missed some earlier sub-surface temperature entries but I'm not sure. Perhaps Jil and okopho can keep an eye out for them. (The logs were earlier than where Clewi is now).
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 15 February 2013, 15:51:10
 ??? I'm in mid-June 1880 now. Haven't seen those entries for a long time.

Seems like old Jeannette provides a bunch of bonus data that's not available by other sources.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 15 February 2013, 16:58:16
They only started to do it again when the ice began to melt in July 1880. I don't think they were doing it when they only had sounding holes in the ice. So perhaps what I remember was from before they got stuck in the ice in 1879. In any case, I will continue to transcribe them from July 1880 on.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 15 February 2013, 17:46:15
Here is this year's SST anomaly at freeze-up according to reanalysis. Humm, looks like no ice means warm water...the long anticipated effect of ice-albedo feedback kicking in. And right where our boats are sailing -er drifting.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 15 February 2013, 20:07:44
So the yellow means that in Oct 2012 the surface temperature was about 9 to 12 C above the 1981-2010 average? No ice indeed.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 15 February 2013, 22:01:09
Yep, and north of where Jeannette was beset in some pretty thick ice in September 1879.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 16 February 2013, 06:08:04
Here is this year's SST anomaly at freeze-up according to reanalysis. Humm, looks like no ice means warm water...the long anticipated effect of ice-albedo feedback kicking in. And right where our boats are sailing -er drifting.

scarey.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 17 February 2013, 07:42:52
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol003of004/vol003_009_0.jpg

Description of techniques used for measurements of water temperature and specific gravity. The inserted page obscures the weather data.

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Water Temperature and Specific Gravity 

The depth of water not being great, but t an Cosella Miller Thermometer was used which was attached to the lead line about one fathom above the lead. The Number of the Thermometer used is written in Red Ink abreast of the Sounding. They were found upon comparison to agree with Standard Mercurial Number 4313. 

Temperatures at a depth of two fathoms below the surface were obtained by allowing the water to enter the ship through one of the sea cocks in her bottom, (which sea cock was quite uniformly 12 feet below the surface) and after a short time, say a minute or two, filling a hydrometer cup with compared Thermometer attached, and reading the height of the mercury therein.

Temperatures of Surface water were obtained by immersing a compared Thermometer in the Fire Hole alongside the ship.

Water was brought up from near the bottom by a 'Sigsher Water Cup" attached to the lead line. Water from 2 fathoms below the surface and from the surface, was obtained from the Sea Cock and Fire Hole as mentioned above.

Specific Gravities were obtained from readings of a Hydrometer marked Taglialme New York. Specific Gravity 60 degrees Fahr. of a scale ranging from 1.020 to 1.030, where the water was of a density within the scale. Otherwise the readings were of a more delicate Hydrometer marked "Reinmann & Baetz, 96 Fallow St. NY Specific Gravity 60 degrees F. Scale 1000 to 1040.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 17 February 2013, 08:27:14
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol003of004/vol003_009_1.jpg

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Wind Velocities

These were recorded from readings of an Anemometer marked

 Jm. Glem
Signal Service U.S.A
10  No 120

 Until midnight August 4th 1880 the readings were made every hour but from that time forward the readings were made every three hours, and the difference in the register between observations was entered in the Log as the number of "miles during the interval".

At all times the Anemometer and Thermometers for the Temperatures were exposed on the floe ice about 100 yards from the ship on her part quarter :- The Anemometer on a post and about ~ feet above the ice, and the Thermometers in a Louvre-boarded box at least 4 feet above the ice.

George W DeLong Lieutenant U.S. Navy Commanding

Note. At the head of the page devoted to the "Record of the Miscellaneous events of the day" there are frequently written the dates one in Black ink and the other in Red Ink. It was not considered advisable to change the date for ships purposes in crossing the 180th Meridian of Longitude; and therefore the old date was carried forward from day to day and the proper local date written under in Red Ink. G.W. DeLong
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 17 February 2013, 12:26:20

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Wind Velocities
Until midnight August 4th 1880 the readings were made every hour but from that time forward the readings were made every three hours, and the difference in the register between observations was entered in the Log as the number of "miles during the interval".


Science team please take note of the above. The heading is "Velocity Miles run during interval".  He is measuring the wind velocity as miles per 3 hours so dividing by 3 would yield the average over the interval. Why couldn't he just enter the average  ???

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol003of004/vol003_018_0.jpg
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 17 February 2013, 13:27:47
Excellent - nice to know they are using a louvered screen for the thermometer. Here is a picture of a Robinson-type registering anemometer as used by the Army Signal Service: http://www.photolib.noaa.gov/htmls/wea00934.htm The Army Signal Service, by the way, was the National Weather Service of the day. It had a different (and very long name) which you can find on the early editions of the Monthly Weather Review from the 1870s-80s - available online and still in publication.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 17 February 2013, 13:57:03
That's neat, Kevin.

I just caught the end of a CBC-radio science program in which someone was talking about the Argo project http://www.argo.ucsd.edu/

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Argo is a global array of 3,000 free-drifting profiling floats that measures the temperature and salinity of the upper 2000 m of the ocean.  This allows, for the first time, continuous monitoring of the temperature, salinity, and velocity of the upper ocean, with all databeing relayed and made publicly available within hours aftercollection.

He said that the resolution of their models was limited by available computing power. I was tempted to contact him and say that there are many of us with computers just waiting for more CPDN projects.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 20 February 2013, 12:14:24

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Wind Velocities
Until midnight August 4th 1880 the readings were made every hour but from that time forward the readings were made every three hours, and the difference in the register between observations was entered in the Log as the number of "miles during the interval".


Science team please take note of the above. The heading is "Velocity Miles run during interval".  He is measuring the wind velocity as miles per 3 hours so dividing by 3 would yield the average over the interval. Why couldn't he just enter the average  ???

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol003of004/vol003_018_0.jpg

I think this might have been forgotten. Did anyone notify the science team about this? Beginning Aug. 5 1880 the wind velocity is multiplied by 3.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 20 February 2013, 12:24:07
I don't remember if we did last week, but I've sent them a PM today.  Thanks, Craig.


Quote
Wind Velocities
Until midnight August 4th 1880 the readings were made every hour but from that time forward the readings were made every three hours, and the difference in the register between observations was entered in the Log as the number of "miles during the interval".


Science team please take note of the above. The heading is "Velocity Miles run during interval".  He is measuring the wind velocity as miles per 3 hours so dividing by 3 would yield the average over the interval. Why couldn't he just enter the average  ???

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol003of004/vol003_018_0.jpg

I think this might have been forgotten. Did anyone notify the science team about this? Beginning Aug. 5 1880 the wind velocity is multiplied by 3.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 20 February 2013, 20:47:12
Got it thanks. The Robinson-type anemometer is rather like a patent log as it registers the 'miles' the cups have spun over an interval on some mechanical dials. It doesn't show instantaneous wind (aka gusts). So we get mean wind over an hour or x.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 22 February 2013, 07:41:52
Here is a new record in cloud codes with five lines (3 AM and again at 3 PM:
Cir-Str
Cir-Cum
Str
Cum-Str
Nim

or, in TWYS format: Cir Str Cir Cum Str Cum Str Nim  ;D

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol003of004/vol003_080_0.jpg
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 22 February 2013, 08:19:33
Beset in the cloud codes...
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 22 February 2013, 10:43:59
 ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 26 February 2013, 07:56:21
DeLong makes an interesting speculation about a sudden and rapid increase in temperature being caused by an opening in the sea ice. (last paragraph).

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol003of004/vol003_127_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 26 February 2013, 11:57:25
It's interesting he noted the lack of sun to warm the exposed water.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 26 February 2013, 12:53:46
It was the end of November when the sun no longer showed above the horizon. I would be curious to know what the climate models would do with this. Would they assume that this change in temperature was due only to air movements related to atmospheric conditions rather than ice cover?
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 28 February 2013, 07:40:10
Spirit thermometer 4039 is now being used and recorded as "Air Wet Bulb" now that temperatures are below -40 F. Mercury thermometer is still shown as "Air Dry Bulb"

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol003of004/vol003_150_0.jpg

Clewi is keeping a record of thermometer changes.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 28 February 2013, 07:52:19
Spirit thermometer 4039 is now being used and recorded as "Air Wet Bulb" now that temperatures are below -40 F. Purple Bulb thermometer recorded under "Water at Surface"

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol003of004/vol003_150_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol003of004/vol003_151_0.jpg

Clewi was keeping a record of these thermometer changes in an Excel file. Are you still here, Clewi?
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 28 February 2013, 10:43:50
Still working on September 1880. Will add it to the list when I get there. 
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 02 March 2013, 14:15:36
I sometimes wonder whether DeLong is writing Cir or Cum in some instances. Normally, he dots the i in Cir but look at the example at 9 PM:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol003of004/vol003_172_0.jpg

You might interpret the first code as "Cu-Str" but there is a Cum-Str in the last row of the same box. For a while I was interpreting it as Cu but I have reverted to Cir in this circumstance.

Note in this page at 6 PM he writes Cum rather than Cu in the second line of the box where a shorter abbreviation would have been useful, so I don't think he ever uses Cu as an abbreviation for Cum.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol003of004/vol003_171_0.jpg
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 02 March 2013, 15:32:06
Handwriting is always strange.  Use your best guess.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 02 March 2013, 15:32:23
Cir-Str Cir-Cum Str Cum-Str

I agree, when he means "Cum", he writes it.

Damn! The present tense syndrome strikes again! LMAO!
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 04 March 2013, 07:30:50
DeLong is getting used to the cold weather. He writes:

Quote
Between 9AM and 3 PM there was a marked rise in temperature and a stand at a comfortable degree of heat, but it was followed by a return to the usual low figure.

The maximum that day was -31 F.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol003of004/vol003_188_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 04 March 2013, 08:28:13
Note to Kevin:

DeLong has been reporting water temperature and specific gravity about once a week through the winter. You can search for "Water Temperature and Specific Gravities" in the Events field. He only records at the surface and 2 fathoms now. During the late summer and fall there were readings at the bottom as well. I record each line as a separtate Event.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol003of004/vol003_192_1.jpg

Note to other Jeannette transcribers:

I have also been transcribing Max and Min temperatures as recorded on the weather page. He began recording these when he went to 3-hourly weather reports. (in early August 1880, if I remember correctly).

I transcribe anything to do with ice including the direction of drift of the floe but I am leaving the aurora descriptions for Clewi and Jil. I don't record the descriptions of the pumps and hoses unless there is an unusual event. Things have settled down in this regard now that they have the leak under control (up to the end of January 1881, at least).
 
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 04 March 2013, 15:28:08
Chris Davis from Solar Stormwatch and Kevin are interested in aurorae because they indicate solar activity.
If you don't want to transcribe the entire description, it would still help if you just noted a brief segment of the description.

For example, for http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol001of004/vol001_224_1.jpg
Clewi transcribed this in the forum.
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At 2 PM the land outline was much plainer. A meteor was observed, at 4 and another at 9. Auroral arches from 5 to Midnight. The remarkable ones being a bright curtain at 9 forming an ellipse; two arches at 11. Starting from a point in NE and ending respectively in NNW and W. Coronas being 20? and 90? in altitude; and a four arch fan at midnight from the same point. Coronas 30?, 60?, 75? and 90? in Altitude, ~ at NNW, NW, NW x W and WNW. Twilight arch 10? at 4 PM.
That is fantastic, but if you didn't want to transcribe all of that,
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Auroral arches from 5 to Midnight.
would still be very helpful for the scientists.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 04 March 2013, 17:20:21
Those early reports are nothing! When DeLong took over he wrote reports for virtually every single hour. I don't have an example atm, but often these reports fill the better part of a page, and the descriptions are very detailed! I transcribed all of them so far (October 1880 and counting), so no need to do it again.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 04 March 2013, 17:27:30
Here's a good one, although it's two different accounts:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol003of004/vol003_189_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 04 March 2013, 17:47:22
oooookay, I'm not that far yet *gulp!*, but this is typical for DeLong!
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 04 March 2013, 17:55:14
The National Archives are going to adore the full transcriptions, and shouldn't have any trouble at all in putting them together from a couple of transcribers.  They really want the whole story.

SolarStorm needs at least one phrase using "aurora" or "northern lights" from the paragraph that they can search the transcriptions for.  That will let them look up the rest of it.  (They also love it when they get the whole thing. ;) )
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 04 March 2013, 18:08:39
Reports like this one are more common:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_077_1.jpg

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At 1 A.M. faint aurora chiefly in NE and W.N.W. Lunar circle. At 2 a.m. very faint auroral patches. At 3 faint auroral glimmers in W.N.W. The Sun was raised by refraction above the horizon before 6 a.m. At 11 P.M. broken curtain arches 10o and 20o in altitude to N.E. extending from E to N. An exceptionally beautiful auroral display commenced shortly before midnight. From W x S to N.E. and chiefly South of zenith, from 10o to 15o in alt. an auroral band extended in a Series of flat Semi-elliptical curves opening to the N?d. On the inner or North edge of the band it was brilliantly white, while the light faded down toward the Southern horizon to a pale cloud-like intensity, in which faint lines would occasionally show. To the North of zenith very meager bands of long streamers hung across the Sky. A peculiarity of the display was the regularity with which the curves, which were moving slowly along the band from W to E broke into rapid and distorting undulations when they aimed at a point lying within the space apparently occupied by the Constellation Ursa Major. There the E. end of the curve would suddenly deepen and double back sharply, while the aurora would be violently agitated and would show the prismatic colors with extraordinary vividness. Occasionally the organization of the original curve would be maintained notwithstanding the extraordinary rapidity of the movements around its margin, but usually the curve was broken or seemed to collapse, to be succeeded by forms, in the zenith of indescribable outline because of the rapidity of changes. At times it seemed as if there were two distinct strata of aurora, the lower one being most agitated. So that the prismatic colors in modified tints crossed and recrossed each other while the whole looked like a magnificent pyrotechnic display on which various colored and intense lights were thrown. In the West the band showed occasionally that at great distance in that direction a similar movement  was in progress, while to the E?d such a movement was plainly discernible the rapid changes of the foldings in the band taking the forms of spiral curtains. The whole display after lasting a half hour moved to N. of zenith fading as it went.
       
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 04 March 2013, 18:18:27
You can almost envision what it was like his description is so detailed!
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 14 March 2013, 06:45:26
On May 16 1881 an island was sighted that does not appear on any charts. DeLong is excited because this the first land sighted since March 24th 1880 and he thinks this might be a new discovery. They are now about 500 miles NW of Herald Island and still stuck in the ice with less then a month to go before the ship sinks.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol004of004/vol004_099_1.jpg

Google Maps has Ostrov Zhannetty not far from the Lat/Long that is given. This is Jeannette Island.

Comparing their position to that of Ostrov Zhannetty on Google Maps, their longitude is correct but their latitude is about 3 degrees too far East.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: propriome on 14 March 2013, 07:04:30
Hi Craig,

The profile of the island drawn on the log page seems pretty compatible with these photos of Ostrov Zhannetty from Google Earth/Panoramio (they should have been taken from southwest of the island):
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/74042202
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/74042122

Edit: The discovery of Jeannette Island by the Jeannette expedition in May 1881 is mentioned on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeannette_Island , and they should discover soon Henrietta Island (Ostrov Genriyetty) too. Here's an article mentioning both discoveries: http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/jeanette.htm
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 14 March 2013, 07:13:53
Yes, the resemblance is close, propriome.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 15 March 2013, 21:36:47
The reason for their curious obsession with auroras is still a mystery to me. But while reading Melville's book I found an interesting paragraph that shows how little they actually knew about it (during their second search for DeLong in 1882):

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The wind still blows at such a rate that neither man nor dog can face it, but must needs crawl into any available hole for shelter. I stepped outside to-day simply to experiment, and see if it were possible to stand up or hold to the hut. I could actually discern nothing for the blinding fury of the storm, for the wild rushing air was opaque with snow and fine particles of ice. I lost my grip on the door-jamb, and with difficulty crawled back on my hands and knees to the top of the snow-steps, down which I took a header and rolled into the hut. The natives will not allow any of us to go out alone, but insist upon sending one of their number to keep us company. I have seen a typhoon blowing in Japan, when the anemometers on three ships registered ninety-nine, one hundred and one, and one hundred and three miles per hour respectively; when weak buildings were demolished, vessels at anchor dragged along, and jin-rick-shas turned over like willow baskets, yet I was not carried off my feet, nor was the typhoon in its most furious mood a circumstance to this irresistible boreal blast. Thunder and lightning are entirely unknown in the Arctic Ocean. Towards the pole the aurora is the only form in which the presence of electricity in the atmosphere is displayed and the question arises, Why the aurora, instead of the discharges of light, attended by thunder-claps, seen at the equator?

To bring about the usual atmospheric phenomena heat must be applied or extracted. Perhaps, then, the want of heat in the polar regions may account for the absence of thunder and lightning, or can it be that the immense blanket or non-conductor of ice and snow prevents the discharge of the electric current ? So that, if a certain degree of heat were introduced, the aurora would burst forth into vivid flashes ?


GEORGE W. MELVILLE , In the Lena Delta
https://archive.org/stream/inthelenadelta002487mbp#page/n347/mode/2up/
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 March 2013, 03:21:25
Interesting!
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 16 March 2013, 04:24:01
There are several comments in De Long's journal which suggest he's looking for a correlation between the weather and the appearance of the Aurora.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 16 March 2013, 14:47:33
I have finished the Jeannette. The final pages are a bit mixed up, as indicated here http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3383.msg63689#msg63689

I have transcribed all the text related to the ice and the discovery of the islands (Jeannette and Henrietta) so it is not necessary to repeat it. You may not be able to prevent yourself from doing it once you get there, though.  ;D

I really want to read Melville's account of the sequel now!
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 16 March 2013, 15:33:39
Thanks for the successful voyage, Craig!   :)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 17 March 2013, 05:56:41
Well done, Cap'n!

I'm still way back in January 1880, so it may be a while before she's completed!
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 17 March 2013, 07:26:24
Thanks, Jill. Take your time. I know you will see interesting things that I overlooked.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 18 March 2013, 10:56:52
Does anyone know what inspired them to name the ship Jeannette? My wife would like to know because her name is pronounced similarly (in French).
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: propriome on 18 March 2013, 11:03:20
Hi Craig,

According to wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Jeannette_%281878%29), the USS Jeannette was bought and renamed (former name was HMS Pandora) by James Gordon Bennett.

Looking further into this, i've come to: http://www.gbennett.force9.co.uk/gb-timeline.htm (1878-1881 line), in which is stated:
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Named for his sister, Jeanette, later Mrs Isaac Bell, Jnr, the steam bark departs from London for the Bering Sea in 1878
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 18 March 2013, 11:34:20
Good work, Propriome.  8) My wife will be pleased to know this.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 21 March 2013, 10:41:02
I think it's incredible that we have the logbooks available at all! All those records were all but safe after the sinking of the Jeannette. After crossing some 500 miles of Arctic Ocean across ice and open water, surviving storms just by coincidence (Chipp's boat wasn't so lucky!), and weeks in northern Siberia, the box with the books and charts was lying in the snow for another five months. This is from the chapter where Melville found the bodies of DeLong and the other missing men of his boat (except Erickson and Alexey):

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One after another died until only three were left, and then De Long perceived that unless the books and papers and the bodies of his comrades were removed from the low bed of the river, the spring floods would sweep them all out to sea. So the surviving three had tried to carry the records to the high ground for safety, together with a cake of river ice for water, the kettle, a hatchet, and a piece of their tent-cloth, but their little remaining strength was not even equal to the task of lifting the cases of records up the steep bank, so they sank down from the effort, after securing the chart-case and other small articles, leaving the records to their fate.

https://archive.org/stream/inthelenadelta002487mbp#page/n379/mode/2up/

But it doesn't end there:

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I subsequently learned that my two messengers, Bubokoff and Kolinkin, accompanied by Mr. Gilder of the Rodgers, had been overtaken by the floods in the valley of the Aldan and driven into the tree-tops, where they lived for days, killing and eating one of their horses, whose carcass they moored fast to a tree and hauled up into their perches when they were in need of food. At length the waters subsided and they were released from their lofty captivity, and none too soon, for the odor of their floating larder had become painfully powerful, and their stomachs correspondingly weak.

True to their trust, Bubokoff and Kolinkin hoisted the box containing the precious books and records of the expedition into the top of a high tree, lashing it fast ; but the water continuing to rise they became frightened and raised and lashed it still higher, when Kolinkin fell from the tree and was borne away by the current into the branches of another, where he remained without food for several days. Through their negligence they ran the very risk it was my intention to avoid ; for I had started them from the Delta so early to insure the removal of the records to a place of safety ere the spring floods set in. But they stopped at the different stancias ; idled away a week at Verkeransk ; and meanwhile the season crept on, and the floods caught them about ten days before they crossed the Aldan, and their disobedience of orders nearly cost them their lives and the loss of our records, the frait of so much foil and suffering and death.

https://archive.org/stream/inthelenadelta002487mbp#page/n425/mode/2up/


 :o
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 21 March 2013, 12:19:27
It is remarkable that we have the logs and good to be putting them to use again after all the struggles to bring them back.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 21 March 2013, 13:26:11
They appear not to be any the worse for wear, too. This is incredible. I did notice the tops of a couple of pages near the end of the log that looked stained, but this might have happened before the Jeannette sank.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 21 March 2013, 13:34:51
I'm thinking all sailors, military or not, know how to seal containers so they don't leak sea water to ruin the contents.  But that they went through that much effort to secure and and retain that box.  Very Remarkable.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 21 March 2013, 14:46:05
Indeed, the greatest feat was to find DeLong and the crew at all! It took two expeditions, and plain luck to find them. Melville only had some vage information of the general area where to look for them. He wore down men and material and pretty much every single dog in the delta. No rest, no feeding; dogs that eventually broke down were simply thrown to the side and left to die. The winter was quite harsh, many natives were starving. Melville's demand of the few remaining food stores didn't make it any better for them.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 21 March 2013, 15:06:03
When you see these logs in person their huge size and weight makes this story all the more astounding.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 21 March 2013, 19:06:45
I'm thinking a lot of the determination of DeLong to preserve them and everyone else to find them has to do with making the whole heroic 2 year voyage worth something that will give them a place in history, rather than just being a tragic waste.  The effort is worth it, judging by the value we put on those logs a century later.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 21 March 2013, 21:38:52
Yes, the same choice was made explicitly for that reason by Lt. Greely, who also carried out some very heavy instruments (like a gravimeter pendulum) that required post-calibration for the data to be usable.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 21 March 2013, 23:01:53
The Jeannette instruments were placed in a depot near the coast by DeLong. Melville retrieved them on his first trip in fall 1881. I'm not 100% sure whether our logs were in this depot or in the box that DeLong took with him, because in both cases Melville referred to "logs". It's a bit ambiguous.  In the former case their story is even more dramatic! According to Melville the box that DeLong had kept contained all the scientific records and charts.

Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 28 March 2013, 23:02:37
Looks like I am done with my first run. But since I had no experience whatsoever when I started with the Jeannette, most of the early entries will need some editing. And the many specific gravity readings that I have skipped early on will have to be added. So back to page one! That's going to take a while. But I'm already on the lookout for a new assignment.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 28 March 2013, 23:57:59
I'm glad you came this far.  :)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 29 March 2013, 00:48:57
Awesome, thank you! The BEAR and THETIS have lots of Arctic adventures, but I'm actually most curious about the what we'll discover on the PERRY and the NORTHLAND (coming soon). There is also another log related to the JEANNETTE - the 1881 search by the revenue cutter CORWIN - but this one is so faded we're going to use special hi-tech photography to make the images more easily readable.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 29 March 2013, 05:36:07
It must have been a harrowing experience for you, Clewi. You look different.  ;D

I have captured all the specific gravity information. Since the format is not fixed they won't be able to automatically compare 2 or 3 versions of the same entry. Will they bother?

I am looking forward to the next Corwin logs. I still haven't finished John Muir's account of the voyage. Was he on the second one?
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 29 March 2013, 06:52:37
Clewi, I did the specific gravity readings at the begining of the log as well! So unless you're really keen ....
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 29 March 2013, 09:25:17
Here is the latest version of the thermometer list:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/78834166/Jeanette%20Therm.htm

Ah, good to know that the specific gravities are done. So only editing then! That'll make it easier. I don't want to end up in the mondegreens thread too often.  ;D

Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 10 April 2013, 15:53:23
Hummm...about those JEANNETTE relics?
http://ku-prism.org/polarscientist/Jeannette/feb181896NY.html
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 10 April 2013, 16:34:54
That's fascinating! 8)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 10 April 2013, 17:39:02
Fascinating indeed!  Thanks Kevin.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 10 April 2013, 17:44:38
That's a bit more serious than an April Fools joke. The guys have to have a bit of fun sometimes.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 10 April 2013, 17:57:55
If true, this must be right up there with crop circles...a google search on Jeannette debris or relics is choc-a-block with the received wisdom. And of course there IS a transpolar drift which carries stuff over like that.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 11 April 2013, 07:54:21
I'm reading through the book based on De Long's journals alongside transcribing the logs and I've spotted a mention of ice related info that's not in the log. It only says 'Upon cutting through the ice for soundings 10 inches growth in one day had to be cut away', on 30th Jan 1880.

If this is of any use, let me know and I'll report back anything else I find that's in the journal and not in the log.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 11 April 2013, 10:31:30
Janet, it's important to stick completely to the log here, and TWYS.

But the editor of the Jeanette is going to have a ton of fun sticking those additional paragraphs into the story as editor's comments. ;)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 03 May 2013, 08:43:05
Hell on Ice
The Saga of the Jeannette

by Commander Edward Ellsberg

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/78834166/hell.jpg)

or: the Good, the Bad and the Ugly

I have finished reading this book and I want to share some the info that I obtained from it. What was the purpose of the expedition, what went wrong and why and what does all of this have to do with David Livingstone (yeah, right, that Africa guy)? One step at a time...

But first let me talk about the book and the author. The book was originally written in 1938. It is based on the accounts of Captain George Washington DeLong, Chief Engineer George Melville, Dr. James Ambler and Jerome Collins (Correspondent New York Herald).

The original edition is available as a scanned but unedited e-book on archive.org.

https://archive.org/details/hellonicethesaga010772mbp

The new edition was published by Flat Hammock Press in 2003. It contains a bonus CD with an audio dramatization based on this book by Orson Welles for the 'Mercury Theater On the Air' radio program from October 1938, broadcasted only a few weeks before 'War of Worlds'. With a duration of about 1 hour Welles obviously had to skip many important parts of the story. Welles himself played George Melville, the narrator of the story.

You don't need the CD. You can listen to it right here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj2Rx93A6kA

Regarding the author, Edward Ellsberg, who's this guy anyway? Ellsberg was an engineer in the US Navy and became famous when he managed to raise the wreck of the submarine S-51. The sub sunk after a collision with a passenger ship in 1925, only three crew members survived. Raising the wreck was deemed impossible, but Ellsberg managed to salvage it in 1926. He wrote his first book 'On the Bottom' about this operation, an awesome story btw.

He wrote a series of books about his own adventures, in 1938 he wrote 'Hell on Ice - The Saga of the Jeannette'. The book is written in a narrative style from the perspective of George Melville. Since I know the logs as well as Melville's book and parts of DeLong's book, I can say that Ellsberg's version of the story is quite accurate, a well written amalgam of the different accounts and a good choice for anyone who wants to read the story of the Jeannette. Actually, it covers the time on the ship and their trek across the ice in great detail, but cuts some corners in the final act of the drama in Siberia. Melville's own book 'In the Lena Delta' is mainly focused on this part and much more detailed. Furthermore, Ellsberg had 'streamlined' the story somewhat but not nearly as much as Emma DeLong did. In fact he emphasized the quarrels among the crewmembers, he didn't paint the picture of George and the Merry Men on their happy trip to the pole in the name of science. Whether all of this is really 100% accurate I cannot say, because I didn't read all the sources he used.

It is interesting to learn about the background of the expedition, mainly the role of James Gordon Bennett junior, publisher of the New York Herald. Bennett financed Henry Morton Stanley's expeditions to find Livingstone in Africa in order to boost the circulation of his newspaper. That was successful, and so he repeated this pattern again to get another scoop: the first trip to the North Pole. In order to gain some credibility the whole expedition got the 'science' label attached to it, his own weatherman Jerome Collins was hired as a 'meteorologist' (his knowledge was superficial at best) and multi-talent Raymond Lee Newcomb as naturalist and astronomer. But that wasn't enough. For some extra credibility Bennett ordered DeLong to search for the Nordenskjold expedition. It's the Livingstone pattern again that worked so well before. But of course the only real purpose was to reach the pole.   

The whole undertaking was mainly based on a number of dubious assumptions, probably wishful thinking:
The arctic was largely unexplored, and they only had a vague idea of the conditions up there. But they had maps. By a German cartographer named Petermann. His maps usually showed unexplored areas not just as white, instead he added assumed features like coastlines or settlements according to the theory (usually his own) of his time.

Here is such a map:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_LWddog8sBaU/TCGQeY8gdEI/AAAAAAAAAXM/hQNacBvEf7Q/s1600/Petermann%27s+Pole+1869.jpg

It shows a possible connection between Greenland and Wrangell Island. The text on that land bridge reads: 'probably land or islands'. With 'probably' being the operative word here. On another map he drew in all sorts of settlements and trading posts in the Lena Delta which didn't exist in reality.

So the idea was to reach Wrangell Land (not 'island') and reach the pole by crossing the assumed land bridge with sledges. Should anything go wrong they would try to reach those assumed settlements on the Siberian coast.

An then there was the logistics part. Coal, drinking water and vegetables were the limiting factors. They assumed that they don't need much drinking water because they would have an infinite supply by melting sea ice. We usually learn that sea ice is freshwater because when sea water freezes all the salt is excluded from the ice. Right? Ummm...this doesn't bode well...   

But then, there may not be any ice at all. Because, so the theory goes, a warm current from Japan flows into the Bering Sea and then further north, clearing the area of ice. Which is why they took the soundings and specific gravity readings in the Bering Sea. But, oh well, no warm current there!

Coal was a problem because the Jeannette couldn't load a sufficient supply to keep the boilers running all the time, which was a massive problem in January 1880 when Melville frantically tried to start the engine to get the pumps running to get the leak caused by ice under control, a process that usually takes some 10 - 12 hours, and risked a boiler explosion. This is described in great detail, a race against the rising water in the ship. But eventually they had to run the pumps and the distilling apparatus all the time until they nearly ran out of coal.

The Jeannette wasn't built for the arctic and only had a reinforced bow to breach relatively thin ice. The hull couldn't withstand much pressure, and it was mainly luck that they held out for 21 months. The idea was to reach Wrangell and use it as a port and a base, but they got caught in the ice before they could reach it. They used explosives to get out of the ice again, they hacked and sawed, but it didn't work. Once they were stuck, the ice never opened up again until the final crush came. 

Ellsberg, being as engineer himself, often focused on the technical details, so if you like the technobabble of Star Trek you'll like this book. The logbooks often mentioned the steam cutters engine and Baxter boiler, the latter supposed to drive a newfangled contraption called Edison generator. The book tells the story behind all of this in great detail. To sum it up I'd say that Star Trek meets Steampunk. Except that it is a real story. 
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 03 May 2013, 10:24:34
When I first read the story of the Jeannette I was astounded by everything that the crew and their ship went through. It's such a massive story of heroics and tragedies. I love the idea of 'Star Trek meets Steampunk'.  Melville went on the establish proper order for engineering in the US Navy which had been very 'artisan' until then. He oversaw a many great improvements to ships' engineering, was decorated for doing so, and died at a ripe old age.  It's fair to say that it can be difficult to compare similar characters, but for my money Melville is one of the great almost unsung heroes, and knocks Scott and Shackleton into cocked hats, which saying a lot.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 03 May 2013, 11:02:13
That's very interesting Clewi. I'm really looking forward to reading that now (I'm trying to save all the books until I've finished transcribing Jeannette - don't tell me how it ends  ;) ).

The dubious assumptions and wishful thinking seem to have been going on for a while. I'm just reading a book about the history of the quest for the Northwest Passage (Arctic Labyrinth by Glyn Williams). I've only got as far as early 1600s but they had some extremely imaginative maps (e.g. Mercator's map of the Arctic (http://libweb5.princeton.edu/visual_materials/maps/websites/northwest-passage/mercator.htm)) and an absolute certainty that there must be a way through to the Pacific. They didn't seem to be put off by the repeated failures (death/illness/mutiny) when they were trapped by ice and hadn't packed as well as the Jeannette. And all they had to do was to wait a few hundred years for the ice to melt a bit!

And I agree with Joan about Melville!
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 03 May 2013, 13:17:13
Thanks for this, Clewi. I will listen to the Orson Welles narration.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 03 May 2013, 15:07:52
Jil, the Jeannette expedition really helped in this regard. Debunking a whole bunch of crude theories (albeit unintentionally) was their main achievement. Sure, they discovered some islands, but their main feat was to prove the non-existence of the assumed landmass connecting Greenland and Wrangell Island. They were also able to chart the northern coast of Wrangell Island. I think this also counts as discovery.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 04 May 2013, 15:23:17
I listened to the Orson Welles dramatization and found it very captivating, despite the poor sound quality. Of course, conflict is the stuff of dramatization so Welles intentionally omitted the Christmas (or was it New Years) celebration described in the log, when most of them appeared to have had a good time with singing and skits. This might have been the only light moment during all the whole ordeal, of course.

I may have missed it, but I don't remember hearing any mention of the leak in the hull and the frantic effort to stop it. There were a couple of times I couldn't make out what was going on very well, so perhaps I did miss it.  But as you said, Clewi, Welles only had one hour to cover a very long adventure.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 04 May 2013, 19:26:15
Keep in mind that Welles used only one source, namely Ellsberg's book which was released earlier that year. I think Welles never got anywhere near the logbooks. That being said, Ellsberg mentioned the "shows" on board - among other things like the lead poisoning or Danenhowers infection of the eyes which is why DeLong did the logkeeping then (Danenhower concealed his syphilis infection so he could join the crew).

And no, the leak wasn't there either, but it is described in great detail in the book. Whenever the pack ice began to move and floe bergs piled up around the ship, they were totally helpless.

But Ellsberg also omitted some details, especially the parts in Siberia. Melville was more talkative here. Fancy a roast goose? A la Yakut? This is from Melville's book:

Quote
At dusk we all either awoke, or were awakened by the natives preparing our supper. The invariable beverage of tea was handed around, and Mrs. Chagra, assisted by some of her female friends, put on a large kettle of ancient but hardy geese, which had long and honorably served the natives in raising numerous progeny of their kind. But they had been slaughtered during the summer, when in pin-feather, and hung in pairs, with their bills interlocked, across a pole out of the reach of dogs and foxes, and as they had neither been plucked nor dressed, the juices of their poor bodies naturally gathered at the extremities ; hence, ere freezing weather set in, the dead geese had generated another and more prolific family within themselves. So when such are heated for the purpose of cleaning, the natives are usually saved the trouble of opening them, for the whole after-part of the fowl drops out of its own accord, anything but a pleasing sight to contemplate, particularly if the agony, or inside, be long drawn out. Still we ate of the boiled geese, and heartily.

Yummy! Time to take a sauna:

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I was now suffering from a severe cold, the first I had caught since leaving the United States, and it occurred in the following way.

Upon my reaching the house of the espravnick, he doubtless suspected my cleanliness, as well, indeed, he might, for I had suspicions in the same direction myself ; so, when he proposed a bath, I gladly consented. He then ordered a Cossack to prepare the bath, and brought forth, some clean under-clothing and a suit of gray cloth
for me.

" You are acquainted with the bath ? " he inquired.

" Oh, yes," said I, for I could not think of any intricacies in the operation which might not be learned at a glance.

So, headed by the Cossack, who carried my clothing, towels, etc., I set out for the bath-house, which was located about one hundred yards from the main dwelling. I found it to be a square box of a building, perhaps eight by ten feet, and seven feet high ; the door was covered with an ox-hide and felted, to keep out the cold ; the floor was earthen ; and in a corner stood the stone-furnace and chimney. The furniture of the room was composed of one stool and a small table ; two large tubs filled with water, one hot and the other cold, with cakes of ice floating in it ; two shelves, one about two feet from the ground, the other about five feet, and both broad enough for the bather to lie out upon ; several small wooden vessels ; an iron dipper ; and then, beside my under-clothing and towels, a couple of sheets intended for wrappers. I noticed a large hole in the side of the furnace from which the flames and gases were rushing into the room, for a board had been placed on top of the chimney as a damper.

And now the Cossack told me to undress. I did so. He next filled the dipper with water, and asked me if I was ready ; I said, " Yes," and be then cast the water through the aperture into the glowing furnace. Instantly a thick volume of steam burst forth, and the Cossack, looking at me a moment, said, "More?" I assented, and he threw in another dipperful, whereupon the upper part of the building filled with steam. He glanced at me askance, and asked again " More ? "

" Yes, yes," said I, impatiently ; " heave it in, manorga ! "

Quick as thought he dashed two or three dipperfuls of water into the furnace, and then, dodging his head, bolted out of doors as though he had hurled a keg of powder into the fire.

Two candles were burning in the room, one on the table, the other on the upper shelf. This latter was extinguished in an instant. I relighted it at the other, and, apprehending my plight, set them both on the floor, where they burned with a blue light. Meanwhile the scalding hot steam was lowering nearer and nearer to my head. I crouched down, but it followed me. The candles flickered, and were going out ; evidently I could not stay in the dark and be smothered or scalded to death. So, without thinking of the sheets, I threw myself against the low door and shot forth into the open air and snow, the dense steam, literally in hot pursuit, pouring out after me.

The Cossack had fled in dismay to the house ; and there I stood abiding the exit of the steam, in nothing but my skin, dancing up and down in a temperature of about sixty degrees below zero. It was not long, however, before I could see a current of cold air rushing in beneath my inflamed enemy, and I crept back in its wake, and, when things were cooled off, closed the door and leisurely bathed in one of the tubs, tempering the water to suit myself. When I at length, found my way back to the house, and told Kasharofski of my escapade, he said the Cossack was under the impression I had deliberately boiled myself ; and, indeed, I was so badly affected that Bartlett's first exclamation upon meeting me was, "Why, what have they been doing to you?"

Perhaps it was the change of clothing, but at any rate the cold clung to me until I again began living in the open air, and slept once more on top of a sled.

 ;D





Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 04 May 2013, 22:20:13
Phenomenal...what a story! very funny too ;D ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 05 May 2013, 02:52:19
Looks like our steam expert is indeed a hard-boiled guy!  ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 05 May 2013, 05:49:20
I'm really going to have to up my transcription rate so I can read all these books!
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 05 May 2013, 08:12:00
Hard boiled, for sure. He must have looked like a cooked lobster. He had an extreme Swedish sauna experience.

You could cheat, Jil  ;)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 05 May 2013, 08:27:34
 :o
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 05 May 2013, 08:39:56
Well, just a litte peak.  :D

Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 04 June 2013, 15:55:39
 My annual holiday with my pubquiz friends fell through this year. So to cheer myself up I bought a copy of 'In the Lena Delta' (okay, okay, it's a packet of tissues on every other page). I wish I could stop the clock and just sit and read it straight off. It was all those tidbits from Clewi that set me off on this one...thanks! really thanks! :) :) :)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 10 June 2013, 10:17:35
A tidbit from In the Lena Delta...the perils of Polarbear liver... :P :(
This is from the book when Melville has gone to help find the Greeley Expedition. It is June 1884:
Beyond the excitement of our race, the days were uneventful.  One of our company at this time journeyed forth on the floe to shoot seal, and a bear following on his tracks was seen and shot by several men from the Arctic.  Its skin was purchased by an officer of the Thetis, and a portion of the carcass was given to us for our dogs.  Some of the men brought liver in and fed it to the canines, a number of which, however, refused to partake of the dainty, although a little Esquimaux dog gorged himself upon it, and apparently without injury. Yet strange to say, "Growler," one of our finest Labrador dogs ate the liver and died in convulsions.
 :(
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 10 June 2013, 10:38:56
It seems you can get too much vitamin A from polar bear liver (as well as from the seal, walras, moose and husky). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervitaminosis_A

So much for my polar bear liver meal tognight.  :(
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 08 August 2013, 09:35:54
A new blog out, Ice Station Jeanette (http://blog.oldweather.org/2013/08/08/ice-station-jeannette/) by Philip.

Her log is also now on vimeo: http://vimeo.com/62031717
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 08 August 2013, 11:51:42
Thank you for this, Philip. I read that the first winter during which the Jeannette was "beset" in the ice was extreme. Is it possible that the ship did not move around as much in 1879-80 as it did during the second winter because the extent of the ice was greater? Could this restrict the movement of the ice floes?

(Question to Philip and or Kevin)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 08 August 2013, 17:57:22
Not extent, but thickness (including what must have been fairly massive keels under the pressure ridges described) which ground in shallow water, and proximity of land or shorefast ice. Thicker ice is also stronger, which would lead toward a tendency to lock up over a wider area.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 21 August 2013, 17:12:57
New York Herald coverage of the Jeannette expedition and aftermath:

http://frontiers.loc.gov/intldl/mtfhtml/mfpercep/igpnyherald.html

This may have already been turned up...
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 21 August 2013, 19:35:00
New York Herald coverage of the Jeannette expedition and aftermath:

http://frontiers.loc.gov/intldl/mtfhtml/mfpercep/igpnyherald.html

This may have already been turned up...

Some articles certainly, but not that page I think.  The page was written in Russian and lists the articles of a reporter sent to Siberia to cover it.  He created color by describing life in Siberia.  Interesting.  :)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: mrhode on 29 August 2013, 09:53:10
It's been almost a year since we provided the Atmospheric Log kept by Ambler to the National Archives for scanning. I'm considering posting a pdf of the logbook online and was wondering if it's been transcribed here yet.

Thanks,

Michael Rhode
Archivist, Office of Medical History, Bureau of Medicine and Surgery
michael.rhode@med.navy.mil
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 29 August 2013, 10:09:57
It's been almost a year since we provided the Atmospheric Log kept by Ambler to the National Archives for scanning. I'm considering posting a pdf of the logbook online and was wondering if it's been transcribed here yet.

Thanks,

Michael Rhode
Archivist, Office of Medical History, Bureau of Medicine and Surgery
michael.rhode@med.navy.mil

I'm honored to have you chat with us.  As I understand it (and I am not a scientist), the transcription side of this project is funded by climatologists, and the wonderful history materials we are finding to to transcribe, such as the Jeanette's ship log comments, are a side effect.  We are aware of the existence of both Ambler's medical logbook and DeLong's captain's logbook, and that the Archives wants to make the 3 logbooks available together as a set.  But I don't know if our funding grants would have allowed them to be given to us before now.  It is very possible the scans are made since NARA wants it, but the transcription is not because of funding limitations.

There are some changes going on, of which I do not know the details.  I recommend you get in contact with the leader of our American science team, Kevin Wood (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?action=profile;u=456470) with NOAA.  His profile will allow you to contact him by email or PM, and he is very active on this forum.

Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: mrhode on 29 August 2013, 12:08:46
Oh, don't feel honored. I'm just one more government archivist, and there's a lot of us. I'm in awe of the project though.

Ambler's log is actually atmospheric and not medical (much to my annoyance). I imagine it'll arrive to you after the decklogs. Kevin says he has no objections, so I'll probably put it online next week as the 1000th item we've uploaded to the Medical Heritage Library at https://archive.org/details/usnavybumedhistoryoffice 

I'll be doing a bit of a social media push, and hopefully generate some interest for both our projects.

Mike
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 29 August 2013, 12:51:21
Oh, don't feel honored. I'm just one more government archivist, and there's a lot of us. I'm in awe of the project though.

Ambler's log is actually atmospheric and not medical (much to my annoyance). I imagine it'll arrive to you after the decklogs. Kevin says he has no objections, so I'll probably put it online next week as the 1000th item we've uploaded to the Medical Heritage Library at https://archive.org/details/usnavybumedhistoryoffice 

I'll be doing a bit of a social media push, and hopefully generate some interest for both our projects.

Mike

Then I'm quite certain Kevin and Philip Brohan (our British head scientist) will definitely want it.  We seem to be a long term, much desired project and I'd love to see Ambler's atmospherics added to our tasks.

I'll look for that log online.  Thanks for the notice.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: mrhode on 05 September 2013, 16:19:50
This isn't quite ready yet as the Internet Archive system is waiting to create epub and Kindle versions, but I wanted to put this up as I'm off work tomorrow.

The Navy's Bureau of Medicine and Surgery's Office of Medical History is uploading their 1000th item to the Medical Heritage Library (http://www.medicalheritage.org/ ).  Oddly enough, the item, a logbook from Dr. James Ambler, is not medical. Instead it documents polar weather conditions.

In 1883, Lieutenants Giles B. Harber and William H. Schuetze journeyed to Siberia?s Lena Delta to retrieve the bodies and personal effects of the crew of USS Jeannette, an ill-fated expedition to the North Pole. Among the remains was the body of Passed Assistant Surgeon James Markham Ambler (1848-1881), his personal journal and a logbook of atmospheric conditions that he maintained throughout the expedition (1879-1881). One hundred and thirty years later, Dr. Ambler?s journal and weather observations, in the respective collections of the National Archives (NARA) and the Bureau of Medicine (BUMED), are to be used in the ?Old Weather? project (http://www.oldweather.org/ ) headed by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association (NOAA) and NARA. BUMED's historians brought the logbook to NARA which photographed it in 2012. Volunteers at the "Old Weather" project, which uses Navy logs to track climate, should soon finish the official deck logs and be able to work on transcribing Ambler's log (http://www.oldweather.org/ships/50a27fd77438ae05bd000002 ).

Two versions of "Atmospheric Observations on board U.S. Arctic Steamer Jeannette, 1879-1881" are being uploaded for use in different viewers - the double page where a reader can see the entire page for the day is at http://archive.org/details/JeannetteAtmosphericObservationsLogdoublePages
The single page version, which may work better on tablets, is at http://archive.org/details/JeannetteAtmosphericObservationsLogsinglePages
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 05 September 2013, 16:29:53
I'm going to wait so I can put it on my Kindle.  Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: mrhode on 05 September 2013, 16:32:18
The single page version is still staggering up through our network. I would imagine it'll show up in about 3 hours.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 05 September 2013, 16:36:37
No problem - that sounds speedy.  :)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 06 September 2013, 05:26:16
Excellent! I kept coming across references to the existance of Dr. Ambler's journal when searching for Jeannette related stuff, so it's great to be able to see it now.

(Added to Reference list (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3555.msg59854#msg59854))
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 06 September 2013, 10:00:02
Apparently, his journal is a second book - he was taking separate weathers from the ship's log.  I'm wondering if it would be possible to straighten out the crippling creases that make the berthing deck mid-day readings unreadable.

Harder to track across the lines, but only 3 readings per day at 2 locations (outside and inside).  With clear numbers but a doctor's scrawl in the comments.

Now, how readable is the journal?  :)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: camiller on 06 September 2013, 11:02:34
http://oldweather.org/transcriptions/5229dcc0f277332cfc00999f/edit

Aurora sighted 24 (25) February, 1881 from USS Jeannette.

Another, 26 Feb, 1881:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol004of004/vol004_020_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: camiller on 06 September 2013, 16:46:47
http://oldweather.org/transcriptions/522a2edef277332cfc00c11e/edit

A note about wind records on 24 - 25 Feb, 1881 on the Jeannette:

The printed headings for columns for wind direction and force have been crossed out and re-labeled by hand.  Wind direction is labeled "Magnetic," and records in this column are indeed directions.  Wind force is labeled "Miles during Interval;" records in this column are not the typical 0 - 12 scale.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 06 September 2013, 17:05:13
Hi Camillier. I don't think I've met you before. Welcome to OW!

What you notice on 24 Feb 1881 has been going on pretty much since the Jeannette was beset in the ice in 1879. It was probably noted earlier in this thread. Just enter the wind direction as written.

Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: camiller on 06 September 2013, 17:31:06
Hi Camillier. I don't think I've met you before. Welcome to OW!

What you notice on 24 Feb 1881 has been going on pretty much since the Jeannette was beset in the ice in 1879. It was probably noted earlier in this thread. Just enter the wind direction as written.



Hi Craig, and thanks.  To clarify  -  should I leave the force field  ;) blank, or also type those numbers as written?
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 06 September 2013, 19:22:47
Sorry, I forgot to answer that camillier. The wind velocity is in miles per 3 hours but you should enter it as is. the science team was notified of this. Here's a link to the description of the instrument http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3338.msg62109#msg62109. 

I think he was showing the decimal value as a superscript here if I remember correctly.

Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 06 September 2013, 19:35:12
Welcome, camiller.  This is a case of TWYS (Type What You See - Yes, but ... (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3191.0) is helpful.)

The Jeanette is unusual because they are officially a drifter - deliberately locked into the ice to drift where ever it goes.  And they truly don't know exactly where they are.  They are using the magnetic compass to measure wind direction and actually noting the instrument.  Also noting that the Beaufort scale for wind strength doesn't make sense when they never move or set any sails - so they are using an instrument that measures the speed directly, and also noting that.  All very scientific. 
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 06 September 2013, 19:50:24
Quote
I think he was showing the decimal value as a superscript here if I remember correctly.
:o
Yes, he was - I found your earlier post on the subject. ;D
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 06 September 2013, 20:53:43
The Jeanette is unusual because they are officially a drifter - deliberately locked into the ice to drift where ever it goes.  And they truly don't know exactly where they are.

They were neither "officially" a drifter nor did they deliberately get locked in the ice. And they got at least one fix on their position almost every day.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 06 September 2013, 23:15:15
I read that they did plan to get locked in the ice, Clewi, but they expected to eventually  reach open water north of the ice pack. At the time it was believed that the ice pack was only around the outer rim of the Arctic Ocean.  But you may have better sources.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 06 September 2013, 23:56:55
One of the reasons for the extreme inventories and load was, they expected to have no contact with land whatsoever for 2 years, and no way to detour to Siberia to pick up any supplies that ran short, including sending the Schooner "Fanny A. Hyde" with her with more stores, to replace everything used on the trip up to Siberia.  They were meticulous in planning for that locked-in state, becoming the first science ship to acquire data on what was up there - intending to reach the North Pole eventually.  They simply underestimated the ice, both its depth and strength and its coverage.

Joan did the transcription of the inventories, so everyone else could skip them.  If you want to see what is needed for such an expedition, read the 12 pages of lists Joan put here, starting at http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3338.msg56007#msg56007
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 07 September 2013, 03:07:15
Not sure what your sources are. Mine are the DeLong, Danenhower, Melville and Gilder. They never mention the idea to get locked in the ice deliberately, only as a possibility that was taken into account but that is to be avoided if possible. The ship wasn't purpose-built for this like the Fram. That they didn't get crushed early on was pure luck. However, they do mention the efforts to get out of the ice again, though. Like hacking and sawing for days, even the use of "torpedoes". And they almost blew up the ship in the process, so they stopped this.

The plan was to set up a base camp at Wrangel Island (deemend as a land mass that reaches much further north), and make the trip with sleds, leaving a cairn every 20 miles or so. They didn't expect to return after only a few weeks, hence all the supplies. Now, that didn't pan out as expected, because they got locked in early on, they never reached Wrangel. The ship wasn't suited for this task. It was too small to begin with, hence the tender. Even then they didn't have enough coal. There was nothing "extreme" about it.

The only thing they didn't care about was "science". That was an excuse brought up by the NY Herald to justify the support of the US Navy, just like their "search" for Nordenskjold. Hence this burden was mostly left to the NY Herald correspondent, walk out to the weather station and keep the weather log. But this was about reaching the pole, about fame and glory, not some romantic notion like "drifting in the ice for science" with a happy band of philantropes.

That there was the idea at the time that the high latitudes were free of ice is correct, though. The idea to drift with the ice to reach the pole was indeed discussed during the planning stage, among others with Captain Nye, CO of the Mount Wollaston, one of the two whalers that went missing in 1879 near Herald Island, but deemed too risky.

Besides, two years later the Corwin and the Rodgers could reach Wrangel with no problems. The Rodgers ventured much further north than any other ship before, without even trying too hard. The Jeannette (and Vigilant and Mount Wollaston) were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time, and all three ships 'disappeared' at the same time in the same region.

Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 07 September 2013, 03:19:07
Thanks Clewi, that was very interesting!
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 07 September 2013, 03:23:38
Thanks, indeed.  I think I'd been hearing the account from the powers, private and military, what they wanted for the trip, and why it was so immensely important to find them afterwards and rescue the equipment and records.  At that point, the science was everything.

Tho I'm not surprised that the sailors and officers who signed on had different ideas of the glory they would earn.  Science doesn't have enough charisma to risk your life in the unknown for.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 07 September 2013, 04:31:15
Of course the data was extremely important. The crew didn't haul these large boxes of dead weight across the ice for hundeds of miles for no good reason. But these books weren't the reason why they went up there in the first place. They were a by-product and justification.

And that DeLong seemed to be content with their situation once they were locked in (my impression at least) is a different story. "Here we are, can't help it. Now let's see what happens!" or so. Dunno. It just wasn't deliberate.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 07 September 2013, 13:59:29
My impression (subject to revision) is that their initial entrapment was as much down to inexperience with ice navigation in the area of Wrangell and bad luck. And maybe some over-eagerness after that detour to check on Nordenskiold. Even with a lot of experience it happens - as with a number of Soviet ships taking part in the 2nd Int'l Polar Year in 1932-33.

An important difference between the Pacific sector ice pack and the western Atlantic (for example) is in the latter ships not crushed outright tend to drift toward open water (e.g. the Fox, the stranded party from the USS Polaris, the HMS Resolute) whereas in the former they drift farther into deep jelly in the central pack (e.g. Karluk, Maud, the whalers, most IABP buoys). This was not understood very well at the time.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: mrhode on 09 September 2013, 09:42:10
Janet, the journal must be at NARA but I think we have a transcription. Unfortunately last month we also had a flood and all the collections, inc. Ambler's are packed up, waiting for new carpeting to be put down. So I can't get to it and check.

This scan is an Old Weather one, set up by NOAA and NARA, and done by NARA. I can check individual pages when I can get to the book again, if there are requests.

Mike

Apparently, his journal is a second book - he was taking separate weathers from the ship's log.  I'm wondering if it would be possible to straighten out the crippling creases that make the berthing deck mid-day readings unreadable.

Harder to track across the lines, but only 3 readings per day at 2 locations (outside and inside).  With clear numbers but a doctor's scrawl in the comments.

Now, how readable is the journal?  :)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 09 September 2013, 12:04:31
I personally don't mind missing the inside readings (Berthing deck), I would think that demonstrates the ship construction more than the weather..  If straightening the creases would damage the paper, I'd vote to leave it as is and tell transcribers to do only the outside.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 11 September 2013, 15:37:38
I think Jeannette's done. I got taken into transcribing Concord  :-\  :-\  :-\  (From a Jeannette page and also if I come out of OW and log back in and click on the transcribe button)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 11 September 2013, 15:56:50
Jeanette is Finished!!!!   ;D

A bottle of rum to celebrate:
(http://us.cdn2.123rf.com/168nwm/mitay20/mitay201207/mitay20120700211/14296788-glass-of-rum-and-bottle.jpg)

It just doesn't know it yet.  It says, "100% complete / Transcribe logs" but when I - who would be a very new cadet - signed in, I also got sent to Concord.  I'll tell Stuart the "ship is complete" process still has glitches.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 11 September 2013, 16:02:37
Bravo!  :) 8)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 11 September 2013, 16:17:55
Yeah - not going mad then!

Now I just have to read all the books  ::)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: philip.brohan on 11 September 2013, 17:59:46
Well done the Jeannette crew. I'm talking to the European Met Society 2013 conference tomorrow and the Jeannette results have a starring role. I've made a comparison between the Jeannette's observations  and the modern (1981-2010) range. It was much colder and iceier in 1879-1881 than in any recent year.

[I was going to attach a picture of the comparison, but apparently it's too big, so I can't get it from my iPad to the forum. I'll post it when I get back to base.]
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: camiller on 11 September 2013, 21:12:42
Yahooo!
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Clewi on 11 September 2013, 21:33:54
Just a reminder that thermometer table is right here:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/78834166/Jeanette%20Therm.htm (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/78834166/Jeanette%20Therm.htm)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 11 September 2013, 22:53:42
Just a reminder that thermometer table is right here:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/78834166/Jeanette%20Therm.htm (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/78834166/Jeanette%20Therm.htm)

I PMed this post to Philip and Kevin, Clewi.  Good timing on the reminder.  :)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 16 September 2013, 12:14:50
Philip sent this PM - a very nice "thank you" for recording good information here.  :)

Thanks Janet.

 The forum entries on Jeannette are very useful - I was utterly baffled by their wind-speed data until i checked the forum description of what they had got up to.

Philip and Kevin,
Clewi says to to remind you of this doc listing what kind of thermometer was used on which dates on board Jeanette.

Janet

Just a reminder that thermometer table is right here:

Jeannette Thermometer Madness (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/78834166/Jeanette%20Therm.htm)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: mrhode on 30 September 2013, 14:30:23
I got the archives back on its shelves last week, and checked today. We do have a typescript transcript of Ambler's journal, done in 1914. Can anyone see if it's already digitized and on the web? Tomorrow brings the government shutdown so I won't get to work on it until a budget is passed.

Janet, the journal must be at NARA but I think we have a transcription. Unfortunately last month we also had a flood and all the collections, inc. Ambler's are packed up, waiting for new carpeting to be put down. So I can't get to it and check.

This scan is an Old Weather one, set up by NOAA and NARA, and done by NARA. I can check individual pages when I can get to the book again, if there are requests.

Mike

Apparently, his journal is a second book - he was taking separate weathers from the ship's log.  I'm wondering if it would be possible to straighten out the crippling creases that make the berthing deck mid-day readings unreadable.

Harder to track across the lines, but only 3 readings per day at 2 locations (outside and inside).  With clear numbers but a doctor's scrawl in the comments.

Now, how readable is the journal?  :)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 30 September 2013, 14:57:58
Stupid destruction on congress's part in my opinion, I hope a smidge of common sense can be found up on the hill soon.  I'll see if I can find it online.



"ambler" and "jeanette" are both coming up blank on the online index.  (Things came up, but they varied from War of 1812 records to 20th century army service and various land records - nothing close.)

We'll have to wait until the politicians get their act together.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 01 October 2013, 13:07:01
I couldn't find one when I looked for it a while back. Several mentions of the existance of the journal which is what started the search, but no transcription.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 01 October 2013, 15:07:08
Janet,
We can't finish this conversaton with mrhode until the congress stops having temper tantrums and lets the gov't get back to work.  But I did pass the information of his find on to Philip and Kevin.  They will handle it when life is back to normal. 

Janet
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 06 November 2013, 20:45:56
This possibility is closed, altho the diary looks to be interesting reading.   
The sample can be read in Google Docs:  Ambler personal journal sample (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e1lxNZ6OnOpwYSWkNR1mqXv9yN0B8Rw4zWj4RX5hzYc/edit)
  Aside from this sample it exists only on paper in the Navy Medical Bureau archives.
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See Mike's response below - the typescript is fully online.

From Mike's email to us:
Subject: Re: Jeanette's surgeon's weather log typescript

Janet and Philip,

I'm afraid the journal is yet another book from the Ambler and not a transcript of the weather log that he was keeping. I've attached a few sample pages for you. I could scan it if it's useful to you.

For the weather log, that Ambler did, I could answer emails on specific pages when people get to them.

Mike

I got the archives back on its shelves last week, and checked today. We do have a typescript transcript of Ambler's journal, done in 1914. Can anyone see if it's already digitized and on the web? Tomorrow brings the government shutdown so I won't get to work on it until a budget is passed.

Janet, the journal must be at NARA but I think we have a transcription. Unfortunately last month we also had a flood and all the collections, inc. Ambler's are packed up, waiting for new carpeting to be put down. So I can't get to it and check.

This scan is an Old Weather one, set up by NOAA and NARA, and done by NARA. I can check individual pages when I can get to the book again, if there are requests.

Mike

Apparently, his journal is a second book - he was taking separate weathers from the ship's log.  I'm wondering if it would be possible to straighten out the crippling creases that make the berthing deck mid-day readings unreadable.

Harder to track across the lines, but only 3 readings per day at 2 locations (outside and inside).  With clear numbers but a doctor's scrawl in the comments.

Now, how readable is the journal?  :)
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: mrhode on 08 November 2013, 15:50:44
Hi everyone - Here's a scan of a 1914 transcript of the journal Ambler kept as he was dying - https://archive.org/details/AmblerPrivateJournal  It will take a few minutes to finalize as the Internet Archive creates derivatives of it.

Mike
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 08 November 2013, 16:28:36
Thanks.  Very interesting reading, with long preface and afterward by Navy BuMed.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: camiller on 09 November 2013, 21:41:01
Thank you for posting that link.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on 30 May 2014, 19:03:15
There is a new book on the Jeanette that has just come out"In the Kingdom of Ice" by Hampton Sides. There is another book on this ship "Icebound" by L.F. Guttridge that came out a number of years ago. I hope this is on interest.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 30 May 2014, 20:42:41
Very.  :) 
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: camiller on 01 June 2014, 18:21:38
 Thanks!
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on 05 June 2014, 17:03:36
There is mention of this post about eating Polar Bear meat and liver. here is some information on this subject: Yhe US army Survival and Escape and Evasion manual FW21-76 says on Polar Bear "Do not eat the liver. It is dangerous because of its high concentration of vitiamin A" "Never eat Polar Bear meat unless it is cooked it is always diseased."

This is from the book "In the Land of the White Death" by Valerian Albinov on the ill fated Russian Brusilov artic expedition. The author ate Polar bear liver raw with salt and said it was a real delicacy! Then he later write all those who ate it came down with headache and dizzy spell as if poisoned by carbon monoxide. The book also mentions that some wreck from the USS Jeannette drifted ashore in Greenland 3 years after she sank.

 The book also mentions that in 1897 the one and only attempt to explore the Artic by balloon by Salomon Andree and two others these men may have died from eating polar bear liver.

The Bruilov expedition and the Jeanette had one other thing in common the both used rifles made by Remington!

Note there is more and slightly different information to be found on wiki on these people and events.

I hope this is of some use and interest.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 05 June 2014, 17:54:37
Thanks for this, James. Very interesting!

Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: camiller on 08 June 2014, 21:26:12
 8) 
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 08 June 2014, 21:43:22
Now that is interesting - I got curious and checked if polar bear were unique.  They are not, but it is limited to arctic mammals.  Makes me wonder what drives unrelated animals to have the same characteristic.

Quote
Wiki Hypervitaminosis A (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervitaminosis_A)
The liver of certain animals ? including the polar bear, seal,[24] walrus,[25] moose,[26] and husky ? are particularly toxic.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 June 2014, 04:28:40
Quote from: http://animals.howstuffworks.com/mammals/eat-polar-bear-liver1.htm
Like many animals, polar bears benefit from keeping a certain amount of vitamin A in their system, but there's nothing to indicate they actually require such large quantities. In fact, their physiology evolved to tolerate so much vitamin A for only one reason: to eat seals.

In the wild, polar bears feed almost exclusively on bearded seals and ringed seals, both of which store high levels of vitamin A in their livers and blubber. If you ate a bearded seal's liver, you'd suffer from hypervitaminosis A, but the polar bear can tolerate and enjoy the feast. The seals store high levels of vitamin A in order to swiftly grow and nourish their young in a harsh, chilly environment. Remember, vitamin A plays a key role in growth and natal development. The seals rely on this vitamin to quickly advance them through their vulnerable pup stages.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: camiller on 09 June 2014, 10:15:58
Makes me wonder what drives unrelated animals to have the same characteristic.

Convergent evolution- if an advantageous trait pops up in species of different lineages, it offers the same benefit for survival and reproduction and will likely be passed down in all of the species.   If this vitamin A tolerance is such an example, it's a nice, subtle addition to the classic example: wings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergent_evolution
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: mrhode on 09 June 2014, 11:51:39
I just bought an advertising card image of the Jeannette on Saturday. It's attached and  a scan of both sides, downloadable and usable by anyone is also at:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/navymedicine/14359859296/

Mike
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: mrhode on 09 June 2014, 11:56:05
It's not attached because it was too big. But you can download it at the link.

I just bought an advertising card image of the Jeannette on Saturday. It's attached and  a scan of both sides, downloadable and usable by anyone is also at:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/navymedicine/14359859296/

Mike
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 09 June 2014, 15:10:41
Thank you, Mike.  Very interesting on how involved the home front was - they must have been prominent in the news for the Jeannette to have advertising power.

Flickr doesn't present jpg or gif images our forum coding can handle.  I'll have to leave it to the software experts.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 June 2014, 15:16:22
I had to copy and paste the address the first time, but then it worked fine. ???
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: camiller on 10 June 2014, 15:57:27
Cool find, Mike! Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on 06 August 2014, 18:35:13
In the 2-3 August 2014 edition of the Wall Street Journal there is a big write up and book review of the Jeanette and the book "In the Kingdom of ice". It seems the ship did some really valuable research.
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: mrhode on 15 August 2014, 13:42:30
Here's the NY Times on the new book - http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/17/books/review/in-the-kingdom-of-ice-by-hampton-sides.html?emc=edit_bk_20140815&nl=books&nlid=5998369
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: mrhode on 15 August 2014, 13:43:17
The Washington Post got it a week or so ago:

Book review: "In the Kingdom of Ice," polar voyage of USS Jeannette, by Hampton Sides
By Gary Krist August 1
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/book-review-in-the-kingdom-of-ice-polar-voyage-of-uss-jeannette-by-hampton-sides/2014/08/01/8482add6-f58f-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Caro on 23 February 2015, 15:13:27
The view from Siberia: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=5.msg104094#msg104094
Title: Re: Jeannette -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 30 November 2019, 10:26:00
Thank you to Andrew Marshall, of Reuters, for letting me know that George Melville, Jeannette's Engineer, became a founder of National Geographic (https://blog.nationalgeographic.org/2018/01/03/george-melville-a-survivor-a-rescuer-a-national-geographic-founder/). I'm wondering if he met John Muir at some time. I'd be quite surprised if they had not met.

(https://imgur.com/ortUfwv.png)