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Add your questions and comments to this topic.
If you need help transcribing see:
Jamestown -- Reference: Transcription Example and Log Description (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3534.0)
Guides for US logs: drawing entry boxes, transcribing and editing (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3078.0)
Getting Your Sea Legs (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=4.0)
The Logs and FAQ (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=7.0)
Handwriting Help (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=8.0)
Technical Support (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=14.0)
If you are interested in the names of crew members see:
Jamestown (1886) -- Crew Lists (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3934.0)
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You may transcribe more or less other information than is shown here.
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(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3936.0) for comments prior
to this date.
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We're not just short of log transcribers; we're short of log keepers!
Today's log keepers are one lieutenant, a sailmaker, and a carpenter ::)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol056of067/vol056of067_088_1.jpg
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol056of067/vol056of067_089_1.jpg
A
police officer from Annapolis came on board wit a warrant for the
arrest of Charles Schreirer (Blacksmith) who was surrendered and taken
on shore by direction of Capt Ramsay, Comd'g Station
:o
Ramsay, Francis M.
Acting
Midshipman and Midshipman, 5 October, 1850. Passed Midshipman, 20 June,
1856. Master, 22 January, 1858. Lieutenant, 23 January, 1858.
Lieutenant Commander, 16 July, 1862. Commander, 25 July, 1866. Captain, 1
December, 1877. Commodore, 26 March, 1889. Rear Admiral, 11 April,
1894. Retired List, 5 April, 1897.
http://www.history.navy.mil/books/callahan/reg-usn-r.htm
and
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Gazetteer/Places/America/United_States/Maryland/Anne_Arundel/Annapolis/_Texts/NORANN/home.html
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Annapolis: http://www.geographic.org/geographic_names/usaname.php?uni=595031&fid=usageo_535
Maryland,
Delaware, and the District of Columbia - 1876:
http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~207766~3003460:Maryland,-Delaware,-and-the-Distric?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=q:maryland%2BAnnapolis;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=15&trs=18
Magothy River to Annapolis Roads Natural Oyster Bars - 1906: http://historicalcharts.noaa.gov/historicals/preview/image/CO02
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We're not just short of log transcribers; we're short of log keepers!
Today's log keepers are one lieutenant, a sailmaker, and a carpenter ::)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol056of067/vol056of067_088_1.jpg
The carpenter should be good with logs ;D
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The Jamestown 1886 mentions 'Density x' in many paragraphs on the Misc page.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol056of067/vol056of067_045_1.jpg
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For explanation, see: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3950.msg81844#msg81844
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Oct 28, 1886 was a big day in NYC, witnessed by Jamestown...
Many
steam craft in bay of liberty island. At 3-10 USS Despatch came
down the bay, having President Cleveland on board. Manned yards
and fired a salute of 21 guns as she passed. At 3-25 fired a
salute of 21 guns as the President disembarked at Liberty Island.
At 3-40 fire a salvo from starboard broadside. When Bartholdis
statue of liberty enlightening the world was unveiled.
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:-[
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(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_4547.gif)
Way to go, leelaht
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tastiger
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FYI - you probably already know this.... the Jamestown 1886 pages
that pop up when I log on have red ink in the margins for the locations.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol056of067/vol056of067_128_0.jpg
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Those notations should (probably) be ignored.
This can be a
bit tricky. We do NOT want later additions/corrections, but we do want
contemporary corrections. It depends when you think they were written.
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3404.msg54976#msg54976
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3904.msg70658#msg70658
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4014.msg76591#msg76591
In any case, since we do have noon observed, we don't need them.
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Back in the day, these logs were frequently used to create that
year's Pilot books. Sometimes - not often - the editor will add
info or corrections in red ink to help himself. If they are in the
same handwriting or otherwise seem to be part of that day's entries,
Philip says to give them their own entry box. If they look like a
later editor's notes, ignore them.
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Thanks.
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tastiger
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October 26, 1891
At 1250 a meteor exploded in the air close aboard making a sharp report and shedding very bright many colored lights
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Found a page (full of names!) covered by an inventory sheet. How do I proceed?
thanks
http://oldweather.org/transcriptions/5503b82d3d033b3560000776/edit
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Found a page (full of names!) covered by an inventory sheet. How do I proceed?
thanks
http://oldweather.org/transcriptions/5503b82d3d033b3560000776/edit
Ok. Found a scan with the page taken off, but still, what to do with that inventory list...
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Kim, remember all comment pages are optional, except for the date on top. You don't really have to do anything.
Every time there is an insert there are extra pages. I wrote out a long explanation here:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3945.msg72795#msg72795
You will get a repeat scan of the same date.
First page clear to do all weather readings.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol057of067/vol057of067_036_0.jpg
Second page you can read the insert - do the date, and anything on the insert you find interesting.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol057of067/vol057of067_036_1.jpg
Third page do anything interesting on the back of the insert only.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol057of067/vol057of067_037_0.jpg
Fourth page do the date again and anything interesting on the page itself.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol057of067/vol057of067_037_1.jpg
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Speaking strictly for myself... I would read through the inventory out of curiosity, but I would not transcribe it.
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Kim - please note that you changed voyages on the Jamestown; you are
now in the 1880s, not the 1860s. I moved our discussion to the
correct board. This is not a problem to us moderators. But
you may want to consider the handwriting changes and use that to decide
which log keeper you want to work with. :)
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Transcribed a bunch of inserts. Just wanted someone to check if I went about it appropriately.
What's the title of the list on this one? --->
http://oldweather.org/transcriptions/550baf9e3d033b38d000214a/edit
http://oldweather.org/transcriptions/550bb2bc3d033b38d000219d/edit
http://oldweather.org/transcriptions/550bb2dd3d033b38d00021f5/edit
Thanks!
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You have done a magnificent job with a truly horrific list of names!
:-[ I'm afraid I have more nitpicking than help.
What's the title of the list on this one? --->
http://oldweather.org/transcriptions/550baf9e3d033b38d000214a/edit
I can't read it either. Here is the JPG link:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol057of067/vol057of067_059_1.jpg
so maybe someone else will be able to figure it out.
Nitpicking... The log does not say "On list of", so I would suggest that in the future you transcribe similar lists as:
Name = Butcher, Richd Context = Ordy Seamen
...
Name = J.W. Butts Context = Machinists
Name = J.E. Cherry Context = Boiler Makers
Don't change what you have already done!
http://oldweather.org/transcriptions/550bb2bc3d033b38d000219d/edit
I believe this says Muster-roll rather than Master-roll.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Muster
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kimma001
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This page
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol057of067/vol057of067_080_0.jpg)
got double booked in my log pages (got 48 WR counted for one 24 WR
page, too).
I've attached a screen grab showing the twin listing of Page 583 in my 'View logs' page.
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Don't complain - you've been given a gift that will cover the times
you go back to edit and add WRs that don't get counted. 8)
The
Zoo team put in a rock solid recording of all your readings that go
straight to the scientists, which have never created complaints.
They then wrote separate software so the transcribers could see what
they have done while inside the interface that is actually much more
complicated. And sometimes wonky. As long as every page is
included somehow in your 'My Pages' you are good.
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No worries. :P
Wouldn't want Science to get cheated out
of a unique transcription by double counting this one, although I'm
sure it's impeccable. ;)
Technical Curiosity Question: Do
the transcription entries get tagged with a user-unique identifier to
prevent accidental double counting and such?
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Yes, the transcription entries get tagged - we had a problem once
with a transcriber who was making major errors for a while before coming
to the forum to ask questions. Philip said he was able to pull
his records to check out if they were valid. (Never told us what
he found or did.)
And there are a minimum of 3 duplicate pages
for everything from different transcribers. Any time several
transcribers are opening a page at the same time as the 3rd transcriber,
all of them get saved and used.
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This
page
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol057of067/vol057of067_080_0.jpg)
got double booked in my log pages (got 48 WR counted for one 24 WR
page, too).
I've attached a screen grab showing the twin listing of Page 583 in my 'View logs' page.
I've had that happen to me more times than I have fingers.
The
only annoying thing about it is if you're doing the first or second
transcription of that particular page, another transcriber will be
skipped past the page (like from July 1st to July 3rd without getting to
do the 2nd).
When I get skipped past a page in this way, I always
use URL editing to see if the page image exists. If yes, that means
someone else did it twice by mistake, nothing to worry about.
If no, something is wrong, and I report it in the forum - I recently had such a case with the Concord.
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Every ship has a great many transcribers who do one or more pages
and then go away. We never see their names on the ship
pages. Most of the skips a 3rd transcriber experiences may be due
to them. I seriously doubt that the software that builds our "My
Pages" has anything at all to do with saving the data for Philip - that
is as simple and solid as software can be made.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol057of067/vol057of067_130_1.jpg
We are anchored off Hygeia Hotel (the second one), Virginia.
Apparently a very fancy hotel.
See: http://virginiaplaces.org/parktour/pointcomforthotel.html and
https://archive.org/stream/historyofoldpoin00dalb#page/54/mode/2up/search/hygeia
If you are curious, and don't mind the advertising, do a search on: "Hygeia Hotel at Old Point Comfort - Daily Press"
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Very fancy indeed - built for the pre-war plantation owners, I would guess.
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I suspect that the first one was.
"Ours" is the second one, built after the Civil War.
"the first Hygeia Hotel (1822-1862), ... the second Hygeia Hotel (1868-1902)" - http://www.hampton.gov/index.aspx?NID=1912
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I'm thinking of the big hotels burnt down during the Chicago Fire of
1871, they were rebuilt to full glory plus. I accept the post-war
distress might well decrease that. The rebuilt Palmer House in
Chicago has marble sculptures and all.
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We met the USS Saratoga (III)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol057of067/vol057of067_131_1.jpg
http://www.history.navy.mil/research/histories/ship-histories/danfs/s/saratoga-iii.html
(http://www.history.navy.mil/content/history/nhhc/research/histories/ship-histories/danfs/s/saratoga-iii/_jcr_content/body/media_asset_0/image.img.jpg/1396991398189.jpg)
The sailing sloop-of-war Saratoga, after the Civil War, in standard wooden-ship finish of the period. The apparent
height of her weather-deck bulwarks is increased by the hammocks stowed along their top behind canvas screens.
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Someone was seriously annoyed...
... for direct disobedience of orders...
At
10. called "all hands to muster" and read sentence of Summary Court
Martial in case of Frank Campbell, 2c. app., solitary confinement on
bread and water in double irons for 30 days, full rations every 5th day.
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Randi
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Taking a break from the J-44, are we?
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Thanks!
I just decided to try to liven this topic up a bit and get us out to sea ;)
J-86 will soon be off to Barbados and I will be back to my J-44.
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Jamestown (1886) is now "Making passage from Norfolk Va. to Barbadoes W.I."
Here are a few maps that might help:
http://historicalcharts.noaa.gov/historicals/preview/image/H01514sup-00-1881
http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~34057~1170600
http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~213459~5501023
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/barbados.html
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Good Evening All,
I had to chime in with this one...
"March 23, 1887
J. Shannon, app., 10 days single irons in cell for killing and throwing overboard Schoolmaster's parrot." :o
I suddenly have some Alice Cooper lyrics stuck in my head. :P
What he could have written with that theme ;D ::)
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Can you post the page link?
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Oh my, oh my - what a picture.
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I'd love to know the story behind that one! Someone not getting on with the schoolmaster by the sound of things ....
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Here's the page link - I dug it up with the power of URL editing.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol057of067/vol057of067_226_1.jpg
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Truly mind-boggling :o ;D
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Thanks for posting the link Hanibal, I guess I should have posted that with my comment.
I
think there is a bit of March madness loose on the ship. Several
of the crew seem to be fond of spending time on the Quarter-deck in
irons and eating a lot of bread and water.
Tough way to spend the winter in the West Indies.
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well if it's still hot despite the season, and especially if it's
humid, I imagine that sleep is hard enough let alone when you are
wearing irons, or you're trying to sleep near someone else clanking
during the night :-\ I'd work hard to avoid that I
reckon :)
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Not to mention the lack of mosquito control and the over-abundance of no-see-ems.
But hey, they handed out fresh bedding about once a month. :o
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bedding once a month - hmmmm - probably needed a GOOD wash if it sat around that long between airings ;D
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A fascinating list of the complement of the ship in April 1887:
Chief
Boatswain's Mate 1; Boatswain's Mates 3; Chief Gunner's Mates 1; Chief
Quarter Masters 1; Quarter Masters 3; Coxswains 3; Captains of
Fore-Castle 2; Captains of Top; Captains of Afterguard 2; Quarter
Gunners 3; Carpenter's Mates 1; Sailmaker's Mates 1; Armorer 1; Captains
of Hold 1; Ship's Cook 1; Ship's Corporals 2: Ship's Lampligher 1;
Carpenters and Caulkers 3; Baymen 1; Master at Arms 1; Apothecary 1;
Ships Yeoman 1; Paymaster's Yeoman 1; Schoolmaster 3; Ships Writer 1;
Ships Tailors 2; Ships Barber 1; Painter 1; Blacksmith 1; Bugler 1; Jack
of the Dust 1; Cabin Steward 1; Cabin Cook 1; Ward-room steward 1;
Ward-room Cook 1; Steerage-steward 1; Steerage Cook 1; Warrant Officers
Steward 1; Warrant Officers Cook 1; Seamen 8; Ordinary Seamen 6;
Landsmen 22; First-class- firemen 2; Marines 25. Total 123
I especially like the fact that they had a lamplighter, and an apothecary - a real insight into life onboard.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol058of067/vol058of067_005_0.jpg
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Apothecary - Changed from Surgeon's Steward 1866; changed to Hospital Steward 1898.
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Thanks Randi, that's an interesting name change. It sounds
like a change to a much older name to my ears - I wonder why they made
the change?
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Hospital Steward - Changed from Apothecary 1898; changed to Pharmacist's Mate 1917.
Pharmacist's Mate - Changed from Hospital Steward 1917; changed to Hospital Corpsman and Dental Technician 1948.
;)
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Semper Fi
At 9.30 exercised at General Quarters.
Divisions reported ready as follows:
1st Div. 3 Min. 30 Sec.,
Powder Div. 1 Min. 35 Sec.,
Navigator's Div. 2 Min. 10 Sec.,
Marine Guard 0 Min. 40 Sec., 8)
2d. Div. 2 Min. 10 Sec.,
3d. Div. 1 Min. 45 Sec.,
4th. Div. 1 Min. 15 Sec.,
Surgeon's Div. 2 Min. 10 Sec.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol058of067/vol058of067_012_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol058of067/vol058of067_012_1.jpg)
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Exercised at General Quarters again.
20/06/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol058of067/vol058of067_101_1.jpg
Mustered at quarters at 9.30 and afterwards went to General Quarters with powder. Divisions were ready as follows:
Navigator's 5 m 30 sec.
1st. 3 m 30 sec.
2d. 4 m 30 sec.
3rd 2 m 30 sec.
4th 5 m
Powder 7 m 30 sec.
Marine Guard 30 sec.
Expended in ordnance Dept. one (1) 7 lb. charge cannon powder.
Marine Guard shaved 10 seconds off their time. 8)
Powder Division seems to have been traveling very carefully with their 7 lb. charge. :o :'(
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A bit of excitement on 24th June 1887 - in the middle of the
Atlantic Jamestown has encountered a wreck, and taken stern action.
Working
up toward wreck till 1.45 when bore with main topsail to the mast and
lowered boat with Ensign Hourigan in charge who boarded wreck and
exploded Two (2) 75 lbs torpedoes in her, one in port quarter, and the
other in stbd bow. She proved to be the Russian Ship Dagmar lumber
laden, and had been abandoned May 7.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol058of067/vol058of067_105_1.jpg
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Well -that was very brave - but I might have taken the Russian solution and RUN AWAY! 8) :D
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The Jamestown had a rough day of it:
26/06/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol058of067/vol058of067_107_1.jpg
Wind
from NE, gradually increasing from very fresh breeze to very strong
gale in violent squalls during which thick spume from crest of waves.
Fresh
breeze from East, reaching a force of moderate to strong gale at times
in puffs. Heavy sea from East. Ship pitching and rolling
deeply at times.
Very fresh to stiff breeze in squalls reaching
strength of violent squalls at times. Hard heavy pelting rain
throughout watch. Squall decreasing in violence and
frequency. Heavy high cross sea.
Very fresh breeze from SE by E, increasing to very strong gale in violent squalls.
Since
this was a training ship, I wonder how many aboard had never been in a
gale. The aroma from below decks may have been very
unpleasant. :(
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If it's anything like modern ships with greenhorn crewmen, I find
it's better to be below (or wherever the crew quarters are for the
particular ship) than near the rail, downwind of someone who's eaten
that day...
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I did once ask if padded taffrails were available for landlubbers....
ah yes - here it is http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3338.msg56268#msg56268 ;D
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I'm not sure of the significance of this little bit of log, but I enjoyed it!
At 11.30 made Telegraphic signal 'May sunset liberty party of apprentices wear white hats' which was answered 'No'.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol058of067/vol058of067_136_1.jpg
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Drat!
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And they call it a liberty party. ???
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Intriguing!
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Hmmm. Defective equipment or defective read[er]? ???
Jamestown (1886)
04/08/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol058of067/vol058of067_148_0.jpg
From July 10 till Aug 4 reading of Mercured barom. not reliable.
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Hmmm. Defective equipment or defective read[er]? ???
Hmmm. Any changes in the people signing off the log entries or notes about crew changes? ;D
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Any changes in the people signing off the log entries or notes about crew changes?
Since 10 July, there have been at least 3 log keepers. (Including the present author with immaculate handwriting :) :) ) I really hope he stays on as log keeper!
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07/08/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol058of067/vol058of067_151_1.jpg
At
10 Comdg Officer inspected ship and crew at quarters. Had general
muster immediatly afterwards, and read Articles for the Better
Government of the Navy, and several General Court Martial cases.
When they start reading rules and regs, it's probably past time to start obeying them.
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The sad part is that even in the modern US Navy, the rules and
regulations tend to be largely ignored once basic training is finished
and you're assigned to your ship. Case in point, in the voids (think of
something similar to the Jefferies tubes in Star Trek) of most aircraft
carriers in service today, there is almost guaranteed to be at least
three makeshift stills, each operated by multiple crewmen, distilling
vodka, whisky, and straight up moonshine. It's not just against the
Navy's rules and regulations to operate the stills, but it's actually
illegal (warships are considered part of the United States, even in
international waters). Generally the command structure will overlook
even pretty serious stuff like that, as long as the crew is happy, gets
all of their work done, and aren't drunk if they get sounded to
quarters. Things usually have to get pretty bad before anybody gets in
trouble for breaking regs.
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Sounds like a sensible course of action to me..live at let live etc :)
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21/09/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol058of067/vol058of067_196_1.jpg
Clear until 9.20 when a smoky haze set in from the N.E'd with strong smell of smoke.
Bermuda
would have been ENE of their position. I doubt it was within
sniffing distance however. A ship in distress maybe?
I had no luck with a few quick searches. Does anyone know of any shipping/naval logs that might be helpful?
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I cheekily tried Lloyds List but it looks like it is a service that
has to be paid for :-[ :( I'll look around. :)
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List of armaments, September 1887 to March 1888
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol059of067/vol059of067_006_0.jpg
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I cheekily tried Lloyds
Thanks AvastMH. I hope to get a few minutes to play around with it tonight. :-\
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Well, everyone is certainly going to be aware that Jamestown has
arrived in New York! I think she may have lost some of her skills
while sailing across the Atlantic ....
"At 6.50 hail came from
tug 'hard a starboard' to clear a schooner, on starboard bow. Helm was
put hard a starboard, but schooner's mast took against our starboard
head guys, swung aft against fore and main yards, tore third cutter from
her davits and dismasted. Hail again came from tug 'hard a starboard'
to clear a large German ship at anchor. Helm was already hard a
starboard from first hail mentioned above. Failed to clear the German,
struck him on port bow and swung around against her port side, putting
our head booms abaft her fore stays. Snapped off our flying jib boom and
fore back bumpkins. Proceeded to rig in jig boom and get clear of her.
Lowered boats to assist anyone in water from schooner. Commanding
Officer paid an official visit to Senior Officer present."
"Sent a
hawser from port quarter to tug J.G. McCaldin, which towed us clear of
the 'Hudson' at 8.30. The fore topgallantmast becoming endangered from
loss of support from fore royal stay, sent down topgallant mast. The
McCaldin towed us to anchorage off thirty second street, and at 8.45
came to with starboard anchor in eight fathoms water."
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol059of067/vol059of067_011_1.jpg
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Commanding Officer paid an official visit to Senior Officer present.
Bet that was fun ::)
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Yes, I'd like to have been a fly on the wall at that meeting!
The next few days are full of clearing up the damage and being visited
by various people to ascertain the damage done. So far there's no
sign of any kind of enquiry into why it all happened - but maybe that's
still to come .... :(
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Commanding Officer paid an official visit to Senior Officer present.
Bet that was fun ::)
;D
At lease they didn't fire a salute and really draw attention to themselves!
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03/10/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol059of067/vol059of067_015_1.jpg
Sent
several Officers and men to testify before court of inquiry on
collision between this ship and a schooner and ship in North river Sept
29
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03/10/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol059of067/vol059of067_015_1.jpg
Sent
several Officers and men to testify before court of inquiry on
collision between this ship and a schooner and ship in North river Sept
29
Oopsie - ships should not play 'tag'...hope no one got into terrible trouble over this :-\
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I thought there were bound to be some consequences - it's good to
have the next bit of the story, one day after I ended transcribing
yesterday.
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I thought there were bound to be some consequences
10/10/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol059of067/vol059of067_024_1.jpg
Engaged in lifting fore top, and sending down fore trestle trees, sent same up to spar loft for refitting.
Board
of Survey of which Lieut R.R. Ingersoll US. Navy was senior member came
on board and held survey on certain articles in Navigation and Ordnance
Depts.
Gang of men in rigging loft overhauling standing rigging
of this ship. Gangs from shore calking and repairing damages from
collision.
It will probably go on for awhile.
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An accident like that would take weeks to fix. New spars could be
jury-rigged if you were in a tight spot, but the damage to the rigging
alone - not to mention the guys, the damage to the cutter, and the jib
boom and boomkins - would be several days work, as that kind of damage
would necessitate re-rigging the entire ship, including the ratlines.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boomkin
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/26000/26000-h/26000-h.htm#BUMKIN
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Work continues
11/10/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol059of067/vol059of067_025_1.jpg
Sent
working parties on shore in rigging and sail lofts. Yard workmen
engaged in fitting head rails and cat heads, and calking gun deck.
Received on board and shipped 3rd cutter davits.
At 10.00 a Board of survey consisting of Comdr McGowen, Lt Stuart, and Btsn. Manning held survey on articles in Equipment
A board consisting of Lieut Comdr Rich, Asst Naval Constructor Hanscom, and Carpenter Peters on articles in Construction.
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12/10/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol059of067/vol059of067_027_1.jpg
Stores Received in Bureau of Construction and Repair
500 lbs. White Lead
350 lbs. Lamp black
8 Glls. Damar Varnish
25 Paint Brushes
8 Sash tool brushes
2 Varnish brushes
15 Glass Cutters
3 Camels hair pencils
6 Carpenters pencils
60 lbs Sight glass
2 lbs Burnt Seinna
2 lbs Raw Seinna
10 lbs Burnt Umber
2 lbs Raw Umber
1 1/2 lbs Ultramarine blue
2 lbs Chrome Yellow
10 lbs Venetian red
50 lbs Red Lead
10 Glls. Japan drier
3 Glls Colpal Varnish
Everything
here probably went to the repair, but I have noticed some of these
items being held in store for the odd & end touch up.
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Well - that or they were doing a copy of Rembrandt's The Night Watch or similar ;) ;) ;D
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they were doing a copy of Rembrandt's The Night Watch
Mural size ;D ;D ;)
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13/10/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol059of067/vol059of067_028_1.jpg
Crew
engaged in rigging and sailmakers lofts. Navy Yard workmen at
work calking spar deck, and repairing head, and head spars.
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Another list:
14/10/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol059of067/vol059of067_030_1.jpg
Stores Received in Construction and Repair
3 cross cut files
4 Fine saw files
3 Rat tail files
6 Flat files
6 Half round files
15 Glass cutters
1 Hammer Bks
2 Chalk lines
3 Rasps
1 Oil stone
3 lbs Copper
3 Glass air port lenses
6 Sq feet Gum packing
2 Axe handles
12 Hammock Hooks
1 Chest lock
1 Door lock
3 Draw lock
1 Wardrobe lock
5 lbs copper boat nails
10 lbs 1 1/2" copper nails
10 lbs 2" copper nails
10 lbs 3" Copper nails
12 lbs 3 1/2" Copper nails
10 lbs 1 1/2" iron nails
30 lbs 2" iron nails
20 lbs 2 1/2" iron nails
25 lbs 3" iron nails
15 lbs 4" iron nails
4 lbs 1" finish nails
6 lbs 1 1/2" finish nails
10 lbs 2" finish nails
100 sheets sandpaper
12 gross screws
A.E.C. 8RA
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Work continues :)
17/10/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol059of067/vol059of067_034_1.jpg
Crew engaged in getting up fore trestle trees and fore rigging.
Working
parties at work in sail and rigging lofts. Engaged in getting lower
rigging over mast head, painting boat davits and gun deck. Navy Yard
workmen calking around hatches.
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I wonder how much of this is normal maintenance and how much is from her smashing arrival.
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It seems like they're preparing to do a lot more work than what was
wrecked in the arrival debacle. Maybe they just figured that it was a
good excuse to spend some time in dry dock refitting the whole ship.
Interestingly, I don't see anything stating it was put into dry dock,
and the implication is that they're working on a pretty straightforward
refit while she's still in the water. However, all that paint the other
day (especially the red lead and venetian red combo) is what they would
have been using to pain the hull below the waterline.
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Looking at the weather page
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol059of067/vol059of067_034_0.jpg)
corresponding to the events page above, it says that they were moored.
Given that J. Devine (BM) was punished for being drunk and disorderly, they are not dry.
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;D ;D ;D ;D
Odd that they'd be getting hull paint if
they're still moored. Maybe they just thought to bring it aboard because
a drydock repair would really be necessary in the near-ish future after
something like this.
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And another list
22/10/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol059of067/vol059of067_042_1.jpg
Articles Received in Bureau E and R
1 Bbl Tar
1 Bbl Coal Tar
15 Galls Tar oil
6 Bbls Lime
1 Boat stove
99 lbs 6 Thrd seizing
77 lbs 9 Thrd seizing
74 lbs 1" Manila
136 lbs 15 Thd Ratte
104 lbs 18 Thd Ratte
106 lbs 21 Thd Ratte
1 Coil 1 1/2" Hemp
1 Coil 2 1/2" Manila
1 Coil 2" Hemp
2 Coil 2 1/4" Manila
1 Coil 2 1/4" Hemp
1 Coil 2 1/4" Lanyard Hemp
1 Coil 2 3/4" Lanyard Hemp
2 Coil 3 Yarn spun yarn
1 Coil Marlin
In Navigators Dept
1 White signal lens
1 Dark deck lantern
1 Hand trumpet
6 American Ensigns
2 Narrow pennants
4 Army signal flags
1 Running light (red)
2 Deck timepieces
2 Hydrometers
3 Leclanche cells
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More repairs and lists:
20/10/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol059of067/vol059of067_039_1.jpg
Set up main-top-mast-stays made preparations for sending fore yard aloft.
Crew engaged in rigging foremast, Navy Yard workingmen on board.
Engaged
in getting up fore-top-mast stays. Swayed up and trussed Foresyard.
Navy yard workmen on ship calking decks and soldering head lining.
Crew engaged in rigging foremast. Navy yard workmen on board.
21/10/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol059of067/vol059of067_041_1.jpg
Set Fore topmast rigging and crossed Foretopsail yard. Workmen from Navy Yard engaged in repairing wood work of head.
Got jib boom inboard. Engaged in rattling down and painting yards.
22/10/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol059of067/vol059of067_043_1.jpg
Rattled Fore and Fore-top-mast rigging
Engaged rigging jib boom; painting masts and hatch combings; and setting up topmast rigging.
Received in Bureau of E and R the following articles:
5 Sides Bellows Leather
30 lbs Cotton twine
25 lbs Flax twine
20 lbs Beeswax
100 Hammocks
75 Holy stones
25 Fishlines
2 Shoe knives
Received in Equipment:
1000 lbs. Junk.
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OK - 1000lb junk... I guess they had ordered so much and so many
names required that this saved a lot of time...lump it all together and
call it 'junk'? :D
Reading these lists you realize how much
of a ship was 'the original' work by the time they went for scrap - not
a lot by the looks of it. :)
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Junk
... any remnants or pieces of old cable, or condemned rope, cut into
small portions for the purpose of making points, mats, swabs, gaskets,
sinnet, oakum, and the like (which see).
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More repairs, paint and food delivered, and a new anchor. 8)
24/10/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol059of067/vol059of067_045_1.jpg
Working on fore rigging and head gear. Slung main yards.
Got up Topgallant, and Royal rigging and rove topgallant mast ropes.
Received in Bureau of C and R:
400 lbs White Lead
450 lbs White Zinc
40 Galls Alcohol
30 Galls Turpentine
25/10/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol059of067/vol059of067_046_1.jpg
Received in Pay Department 115 lbs Fresh beef, 115 Vegetable, and 92 lbs Bread.
Rove off running rigging
Landed port bower on dock. Shifted berth further astern. Scraped spars.
26/10/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol059of067/vol059of067_047_1.jpg
Sent up topgallant masts. Got topgallant and royal yards down from spar shed and rigged them.
Engaged in fitting fore royal and flying jib stays and in tarring down. Yard painters, painting billet head.
Catted the new port bower.
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27/10/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol059of067/vol059of067_049_1.jpg
Engaged in fitting boat falls and strong backs, and getting sails on board.
Received new third cutter.
Received in Bureau of E and R: 11 scouse kettles, 2 silvan calls
Received
on board in Bureau of C and R: 40 deck buckets, 8 Boat buckets, 15
Spitboxes, 37 Oars, 12 BoatHooks, 35 lbs Whiting, 5 lbs Black Lead
28/10/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol059of067/vol059of067_050_1.jpg
Crew engaged in getting ship ready for sea.
:D ;D ;D ;)
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The fun will now begin. ;)
Crew engaged in getting ship ready for sea.
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29/10/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol059of067/vol059of067_051_1.jpg
At 130 Navy Yard tug made fast alongside, cast off from wharf and were taken in tow.
At 2 sent up topgallant masts.
Got out 1st Cutter and sent her to "Saratoga" for . shell.
"for . shell." -- This phrase puzzles me. ???
31/10/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol059of067/vol059of067_053_1.jpg
Making preparations for sea.
Look out world - she's back!! ;D ;D ;D ;)
Quote from Bob
The fun will now begin. ;)
The fun will now begin. ;)
Crew engaged in getting ship ready for sea.
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I think the first dot is either inadvertent or a small smudge. Going
to the other ship 'for shell' would mean getting some ordnance from
them.
"for . shell." -- This phrase puzzles me. ???
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Thanks Bob. That would make perfect sense!
I
think the first dot is either inadvertent or a small smudge. Going to
the other ship 'for shell' would mean getting some ordnance from them.
"for . shell." -- This phrase puzzles me. ???
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Two days later...
02/11/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol059of067/vol059of067_055_1.jpg
Received from "Portsmouth" 75 loaded VIII in shell for magizine, Norfolk.
I
think the first dot is either inadvertent or a small smudge. Going to
the other ship 'for shell' would mean getting some ordnance from them.
"for . shell." -- This phrase puzzles me. ???
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That's odd, it looks like they're using Roman numerals to express
the diameter of the shell (gun barrel). I've only seen Roman numerals
used in describing the model of the gun, like '8 inch, Mark IV' or
something along those lines.
Received from "Portsmouth" 75 loaded VIII in shell for magizine, Norfolk.
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I had thought a full repair on Jamestown was completed in New York.
It seems that the she is in for a major repair in Norfolk.
10/11/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol059of067/vol059of067_063_1.jpg
Broke out and sent stores brought from Navy Yard New York, to store houses in Norfolk yard.
Board consisting of two Naval Constructors on duty at the yard came on board to hold survey.
Sent sails to Sail loft and all paymasters dry provisions to Bureau of Prov and Cloth for stowage.
Workmen from yard carrying on inspection of work required for ship.
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I hope they at least left a kettle, teapot, tea and biscuits for the work gang ;)
Sounds like she'll be as good as new after all these works :)
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I hope they at least left a kettle, teapot, tea and biscuits for the work gang ;)
Looks like not even a crumb left for the mouse. :( Plenty of water though ::)
11/11/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol059of067/vol059of067_064_1.jpg
Received on board 6650 gals. fresh water.
Engaged in breaking out holds and sail rooms and stowing contents in yard store rooms.
A board of survey of which Commander Phillip Cooper U.S.N. was president held survey on articles in Equipment.
Caulkers from yard examined ship preparatory to caulking.
12/11/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol059of067/vol059of067_065_1.jpg
Continued breaking out holds and began rousing up sheet chain to clear main hatch preparatory to getting out tanks.
Breaking out fore and main holds.
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I'm working the through the September, 1858, logs, and they're doing the same things. ;)
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I wonder if the Jamestown might have fractured her tanks when she
played pinball in New York harbor? Or if she otherwise damaged...
14/11/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol059of067/vol059of067_067_1.jpg
Sent
working party to sail loft. Cleared away sheet anchor and chain
lockers from main hatch and began hoisting out water tanks.
Finished breaking out tanks and landing them on wharf. Received in tanks 3000 galls fresh water from water boat.
15/11/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol059of067/vol059of067_068_1.jpg
Crew engaged cleaning main hold and water tanks.
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;D
I guess if they were ageing tanks and she needed a
lot of patching up after the pinball game, she might as well go the
whole hog and do the tanks too :) She won't know herself :)
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In March 1890, the Jamestown spent a lot of time at Port Royal (she
left April 1st - I don't quite remember when she arrived, but it was
definitely in March).
I thought this was the famous Port Royal in Jamaica, so I often just recorded the location as Port Royal, with no extra details.
But I was wrong - she was actually at Port Royal, South Carolina (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Royal,_South_Carolina), the whole time!
Could someone please make sure the PTB know which Port Royal is meant in this case?
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They should be able to work that out from the lat/long positions recorded on the way in and out.
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TWYS ;)
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They should be able to work that out from the lat/long positions recorded on the way in and out.
Probably - I only noticed because I was surprised at how quickly she reached Virginia, and decided to investigate.
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After finishing the events page for November 17th, 1891, ...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol066of067/vol066of067_035_1.jpg
... I suddenly got taken to June 23rd, 1892!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol067of067/vol067of067_106_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol067of067/vol067of067_106_1.jpg
This makes no sense at all - the 7+ months of pages that I skipped really do exist, according to URL editing.
Anybody know what happened? I will continue to transcribe.
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That is odd. I get this one now:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol067of067/vol067of067_117_0.jpg
I know I did vol066of067_016_0.jpg last night. I'd say keep plugging away, we'll try to figure out what happened.
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I'd say keep plugging away, we'll try to figure out what happened.
OK, I will do that.
After
finishing the Events page of July 15th 1892, she went from 99% to 100% -
in other words, she passed 99.5%, so there is still some stuff left to
do.
Given her small size, this makes it sound like the pages from
November 18th 1891 to June 22nd 1892 are not available for transcribing,
and the remaining 0.5% is only July 16th - September 6th 1892.
I will ask leelaht and Silvia if either of them was skipped forwards like I was.
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Thanks, Hanibal. I sent a PM to Kevin and Philip, we'll see what they say on the topic.
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OK, I think I know what's going on.
leelaht mentioned that when
she was working on this ship, we got hit by that nasty glitch which
presented a lot of people with pages they'd already done.
Check here for details (this was before you joined us, Bob): http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4135.0
But leelaht kept going, despite having to do the same pages again:
I'm on Jamestown 1886, and I'm still reliving 6 months in the past.
As long as the (re)transcriptions count, it's all good.
So
that would explain why I did not get those pages: Since leelaht did
them twice, they had already been done three times and were therefore
removed from the interface.
This also explains why the percentage counter already went past 99.5%.
Now,
if you excuse me, I'm gonna go finish this ship off for good. I am at
August 3rd, and she was decommissioned for the last time on September
6th, so there's not much left.
Baruk Khazad! Khazad ai-menu!
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Baruk Khazad! Khazad ai-menu! ?? :-\
Well worked out with the odd pages - thanks hanibal :D
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Baruk Khazad! Khazad ai-menu! ?? :-\
LOTR battle cry. Ask Sensei Google for details.
Alright, that's it! I finished off the last page of the last log, so this ship is now done for good! Hurrah!
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Ahhhhhh! I tried google translate - it does not speak Dwarvish. How can that be?!? ;) ;) ;)
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Well done, all! 8) 8) 8)
Alright, that's it! I finished off the last page of the last log, so this ship is now done for good! Hurrah!
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Congratulations to the crew of the Jamestown!
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Way to go!