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Title: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 28 August 2013, 10:48:59
Add your questions and comments to this topic.



If you need help transcribing see:
Jamestown -- Reference: Transcription Example and Log Description (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3534.0)

Guides for US logs: drawing entry boxes, transcribing and editing (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3078.0)
Getting Your Sea Legs (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=4.0)
The Logs and FAQ (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=7.0)
Handwriting Help (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=8.0)
Technical Support (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=14.0)


If you are interested in the names of crew members see:
Jamestown (1866) -- Crew Lists (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3932.0)






For information on some of the ships mentioned, see: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3933.msg81394#msg81394
For information on some of the people (who are not part of the crew) mentioned, see: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3933.msg75851#msg75851



Here is a map that may be useful:
http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~206510~3002699:Johnson-s-Central-America-By-Johnso?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=q:aspinwall;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=4&trs=17

Panama Bay U.S.C. (http://www.geographic.org/geographic_names/name.php?uni=-258341&fid=4808&c=panama)
U.S.C. is United States of Colombia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_of_Colombia)





(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol019of067/vol019of067_004_1.jpg)
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol019of067/vol019of067_004_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 28 August 2013, 10:50:51
Example of what a weather page might look like when transcribing the last line of data:
Page link (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol019of067/vol019of067_099_0.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img9/3769/bws6.jpg)



Example of what an events page might look like after the data has been transcribed:
Page link (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol019of067/vol019of067_098_1.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img69/2213/1p5j.jpg)

The date is required.
You may transcribe more or less other information than is shown here.

Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 08 September 2013, 09:12:57
I thought I'd try a different ship to remember what it's like to fill in a full page of weather data.

Any suggestions about how I would indicate "light airs" in the wind force for the first 8 hours? I guess I could just write those words in for each hour.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol019of067/vol019of067_081_0.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 08 September 2013, 09:54:11
The "Ther. att'd" has been struck out in blue. I presume we ignore this marking?


http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol019of067/vol019of067_083_0.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 08 September 2013, 10:03:55
That is correct, the blue seems to be later 'work', so the temperatures should be transcribed as written.

Blue pencil? (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3904.msg70658#msg70658)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 08 September 2013, 11:23:40
I thought I'd try a different ship to remember what it's like to fill in a full page of weather data.

Any suggestions about how I would indicate "light airs" in the wind force for the first 8 hours? I guess I could just write those words in for each hour.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol019of067/vol019of067_081_0.jpg

Wind strength has dropdowns. Type "li" followed by 'down arrow key' then tab to next.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 08 September 2013, 11:32:20
Yes, I would say that it should be entered for each of the first 8 hours.

Or is that "airs light"? ;)

(Do you find it as disorienting as I did to be on 'civil time'?)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 08 September 2013, 12:50:52
I am still typing AM where I should type PM, Randi.  ;D   I always scan the display at the right to catch these errors.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 19 October 2013, 09:40:08
People met/mentioned/passage ;)
(not part of crew)





Bogler, David --- Marine - Private
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol020of067/vol020of067_008_1.jpg

Cramer, M. C. --- Marine - Private
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol020of067/vol020of067_008_1.jpg

Craven, Thomas T. --- Rear Admiral
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol020of067/vol020of067_004_1.jpg
http://www.history.navy.mil/books/callahan/reg-usn-c.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Tingey_Craven_%28Rear_Admiral%29

Dahlgren, John A. --- Rear Admiral
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol019of067/vol019of067_116_1.jpg
15 Dec 1866 - USS Powhatan with Rear Admiral J A Dahlgren on board, went to sea.
http://www.history.navy.mil/books/callahan/reg-usn-d.htm
http://www.history.navy.mil/bios/dahlgren.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_A._Dahlgren

King, Thomas --- Marine - Private
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol020of067/vol020of067_008_1.jpg

Murray --- Paymaster at Naval Storehouse
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol020of067/vol020of067_007_1.jpg

Pearson, George F. --- Rear Admiral
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol019of067/vol019of067_098_1.jpg
27 Nov 1866 - We meet USS Powhatan with Admiral Pearson on board.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_F._Pearson
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F20A17FC3C5F137B93C0A9178CD85F438684F9

Ryan, J. --- Marine - Private
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol020of067/vol020of067_008_1.jpg

Sweeney, Thomas --- Marine - O Sergt
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol020of067/vol020of067_008_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 15 January 2014, 16:08:36
AN ACCOUNT OF THE YELLOW FEVER WHICH APPEARED IN DECEMBER, 1866, AND PREVAILED ON BOARD THE UNITED STATES SHIP JAMESTOWN, STORE AND HOSPITAL SHIP AT PANAMA. by Delavan Bloodgood, A. M., M. D., Surgeon United States Navy, Surgeon of the Fleet, Asiatic Station.  (https://archive.org/details/medicalessayscom1873unit/page/172)


Interesting (symptoms, treatment, living conditions, transmission) and very helpful for names (but not for the fainthearted).



I will add the links to this post as I find them.

19 Dec 1866 - No of sick 7 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol019of067/vol019of067_120_1.jpg
"Privates Hansen and Wm McSoley returned on board." [from the U.S.N. Store House - Panama] - McSoley was the first person to become ill.
31 Dec 1866 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol019of067/vol019of067_132_1.jpg
"At 9-55 ceased exercises at request of Surgeon on account of Sick."
2 Jan 1867 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol020of067/vol020of067_009_1.jpg
"Sailmakers Mate engaged making screen for Hospital Dept."
18 Jan 1867 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol020of067/vol020of067_024_1.jpg
"Released Thos. Ward (O.S.) from confinement, on account of sickness, at request of Surgeon Duval"



I found this purely by chance. I was wondering if the name was McSoley or McSoly, so I searched for both. I didn't expect to find the person mentioned in the log. I just wanted to see which version was more common. ;)





See also Jamestown (1866) -- Crew Lists (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3932.msg81035#msg81035)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 15 January 2014, 16:25:35
These log books have convinced me that I am very happy not to have been a sailor around the turn of the century.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 15 January 2014, 16:35:56
Or any where else living in crowded quarters.  I don't know how you prevent epidemics in those conditions, without modern knowledge and meds.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 January 2014, 05:29:01
We are burning wood rather than coal - today we consumed 28 'sticks' and we have 3 cords 256 sticks remaining.

(we are in port and we are strictly sail powered)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 January 2014, 14:04:20
Ships met/mentioned ;)

H.B.M. Steam Sloop Alert
http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/ship.php?ShipID=4087

P.M.S.S. Co's Steamer Constitution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Mail_Steamship_Company
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/descriptions/panamafleet.shtml
http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/tf3f59p174/ ;)
http://www.maritimeheritage.org/PassLists/cn020763.htm
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/award/mymhiwe/mv467/mv467.txt
http://library.mysticseaport.org/initiative/PageImage.cfm?PageNum=1&BibID=34982

U.S.S. Farralones (Farallones)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Massachusetts_%281845%29#Renamed_Farallones
http://www.militarymuseum.org/Pac%20Sqdn.html
http://civil-war-sailors.findthedata.org/d/b/USS-Farallones

U.S. Store Ship Fredonia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1868_Arica_earthquake

P.M.S.S. Golden City
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Mail_Steamship_Company
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/pacificmail.shtml
http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=DAC18680103.2.9
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/award/mymhiwe/mv467/mv467.txt

U.S.S. Mackinaw
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Mackinaw_%281863%29
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-m/mackinaw.htm
http://civil-war-sailors.findthedata.org/d/b/USS-Mackinaw
http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/86/86364.htm

U.S.S. Mohongo
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-m/mohongo.htm
http://books.google.fr/books?id=OVQPLM8mjGAC&pg=PA320&lpg=PA320&dq=U.S.S.+Mohongo&source=bl&ots=fqFrwnzQ8L&sig=rQwO55IriZ41B_gKqCf7pFl96MM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=VunoUu6iAYS3hAfXxICQAw&ved=0CD0Q6AEwAzgK#v=onepage&q=U.S.S.%20Mohongo&f=false

P.M.S.S. Montana
http://www.foundsf.org/images/2/22/HP-Shipyard-drydock-1870s-w-PMSS-sidewheeler-Montana.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Mail_Steamship_Company
http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=DAC18680315.2.4
http://www.maritimeheritage.org/ships/steamships.html#SSMontana
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/pacificmail.shtml

Central American Line Parkersburg (PANAMA RAILROAD CENTRAL AMERICAN LINE)
https://archive.org/stream/panamapersonalre00robirich#page/64/mode/2up/search/parkersburg
http://www.nytimes.com/1865/07/26/news/the-isthmus-steamship-lines-the-names-and-tonnage-of-their-vessels.html
http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=SDU18681105.2.11#
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F00D15FD3D551A7493C2A8178FD85F428684F9
http://www.maritimeheritage.org/ports/centralAmericaElSalvador.html

U.S.S. Powhatan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Powhatan_%281850%29
"Obituary" for Admiral Pearson describing the career of the USS Powhatan in detail! ::) ::) ::):
          http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=11716909&PIpi=55410922
http://www.militarymuseum.org/Pac%20Sqdn.html
http://markerhunter.wordpress.com/tag/uss-powhatan/

British Steamer Rakaia
http://books.google.fr/books?id=OuUvlfcIGRQC&pg=PA49&lpg=PA49&dq=british+steamer+rakaia&source=bl&ots=TzhI-QWTk_&sig=2BaR04XlA31yXc8AQLT5Z-weF7w&hl=en&sa=X&ei=winoUt-yCJGrhQezvICgBQ&ved=0CEcQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=british%20steamer%20rakaia&f=false
http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=DAC18660717.2.34.6#
http://www.plimsoll.org/resources/SCCLibraries/WreckReports/17011.asp

Central American Steamer Salvador (PANAMA RAILROAD CENTRAL AMERICAN LINE)
http://www.nytimes.com/1865/07/26/news/the-isthmus-steamship-lines-the-names-and-tonnage-of-their-vessels.html
http://www.nytimes.com/1863/08/14/news/central-america-commercial-news-condition-of-salvador.html

U.S.S. Wateree
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Wateree_%281863%29
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 20 January 2014, 06:10:35
Note that some log keepers put place names in quotation marks making them look like ships :P
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 22 January 2014, 18:23:29
Quote from: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol019of067/vol019of067_130_1.jpg
At 12.30 Passengers from New York, went on board P.M.S.S. "Montana" for San Francisco.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 23 January 2014, 03:33:28
Here is a map:
http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~206510~3002699:Johnson-s-Central-America-By-Johnso?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=q:aspinwall;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=4&trs=17

U.S.C. : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_of_Colombia
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 25 January 2014, 07:15:21
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol020of067/vol020of067_003_1.jpg)
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol020of067/vol020of067_003_1.jpg)

Armament: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol020of067/vol020of067_005_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 25 January 2014, 10:21:50
Amazing penmanship!  Will he be the regular log keeper?
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 25 January 2014, 13:12:29
HAPPY NEW YEAR!

We have a new log keeper/copier for 1867!

(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol020of067/vol020of067_007_0.jpg)
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol020of067/vol020of067_007_1.jpg)

Eat your hearts out! ;D



Warning: He sometimes adds a flourish to a final s.
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/838/mz4j.jpg)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 26 January 2014, 04:57:07
NOTE: I am recording all sorts of information in this topic, but that is strictly optional.
I do it both because I am curious and to help other transcribers (and sometimes myself when it comes to names!).
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 26 January 2014, 16:27:08
Quote from: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol020of067/vol020of067_008_1.jpg
Took "wrist irons" from Thomas Ward (O.S.) by request of Surgeon M. Duval.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: camiller on 26 January 2014, 17:55:09
Quote
Eat your hearts out! ;D

Am jealous! ;D
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 29 January 2014, 15:06:43
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Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 29 January 2014, 16:32:19
Quote
Eat your hearts out! ;D

Am jealous! ;D

Wow, that is beautiful.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 04 February 2014, 15:37:08
Quote from: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol020of067/vol020of067_023_1.jpg
Exercised 1'st and Masters Div. with single sticks.

Singlestick fencing: 1787 - 1923 (http://ejmas.com/jmanly/articles/2002/jmanlyart_wolf_0202.htm)
Here are a few excerpts:
"1838: Fencing master Harry Angelo is invested with the position of Naval Instructor in the Cutlass, and develops a training system employing singlesticks."
"1876: An exhibition of singlestick fencing is performed by members of the British Navy."
"1924: In the Adventure of the Illustrious Client, Sherlock Holmes remarks to Dr. Watson: I'm a bit of a single-stick expert, as you know. I took most of them on my guard. It was the second man that was too much for me."

Somebody has a sense of humor! This was published in "Journal of Manly Arts", but the article starts with an illustration of two women competing ;)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 05 February 2014, 03:42:40
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Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: cqv90 on 07 February 2014, 01:36:23
Does anyone know what this word is?  I've seen it a few times and I keep hoping I will suddenly figure it out but that hasn't happened. 
What I have is: '..sent to U.S. St~ "Mohongo" per...'
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 07 February 2014, 02:57:41
I believe it is Stmr - short for Steamer.
You may have already seen it, but there is some help for ship names here: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3933.msg81394#msg81394

P.S. When you ask for help on a page it helps if you post a link to the page, Posting Links and Images (A Guide) (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=536.msg4663#msg4663), so that we can look at the problem in context.

You might also find How to look at log pages before and after the one you are working on (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3489.msg62863#msg62863) useful.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
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Panama Canal - History (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Canal#History)
Panama Canal Railway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Canal_Railway)
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Post by: Randi on 18 February 2014, 14:19:13
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol020of067/vol020of067_112_0.jpg)

Ignore the notes in blue and red. They are later additions. Philip wants the original log entries.
Ther. att'd should be transcribed as written.


For more information, see http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3731.msg65875#msg65875, http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3904.msg70658#msg70658, and http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3404.msg54976#msg54976.
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Post by: Bob on 26 February 2015, 15:19:39
July Tenth (10th), 1868

At 5 a.m. called all hands, got underway, made sail + stood out on starboard tack.

So long, Victoria, but maybe not so fast.

On the starboard tack at end of each watch beating out of the Straits of San [sic] Juan de Fuca.

Trying to head west into the wind.

At 5.15 [pm] tried to tack, missed stays, + wore around to the southd.

At least the weather is good.

From 8 to Midnight

Pleasant with strong winds from the westwards. Working the ship down the Straits of Juan de Fuca. Heading south on one tack + N.W. by N. on the other. At 12 Point Pillow bore W.S.W. and Race Light N.E by E. by compass.

(Signed) H. Lindsey

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol027of067/vol027of067_017_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol027of067/vol027of067_017_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 26 February 2015, 15:47:55
Hi kimma001,
Great to see you posting here!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 26 February 2015, 19:34:10
I have a question about what location to list. The first page of the day only says:

on passage from Victoria to San Francisco

Which I currently have as Location. The second page has a comment entry from the navigator:

At Meridian Cape Flattery light bore by compass E 1/4 N distant 12 miles from which point I take a departure.   (sig) James Wilson, Navigator

Which I currently have as an Event. Should I make this a Location? Place Name = Cape Flattery light bore by compass E 1/4 N distant 12 miles

Leave Page 1 with no Location entry?


Page Links:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol027of067/vol027of067_019_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol027of067/vol027of067_019_0.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol027of067/vol027of067_019_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol027of067/vol027of067_019_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 26 February 2015, 19:51:09
Required locations are whatever is in the page headings, but a noon lat/long is strongly recommended if it exists. 

All other locations, like "Cape Flattery light bore by compass E 1/4 N distant 12 miles" and any other observed locations are optional but greatly appreciated - and yes, putting it in "location" will bring it to the climatologists' attention.  Putting it in "event" saves it for the historians.

Thanks for asking.  :)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 28 February 2015, 16:37:13
kimma001 passes the 750 mark!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 01 March 2015, 15:15:30
This page (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol027of067/vol027of067_029_0.jpg) has no weather observations entered for 1 a.m. through 4 a.m. (although, oddly, there are sea state observations). I'm assuming I should just start transcribing with the 5 a.m. entries. Would an Event entry saying these observations are blank be helpful here?
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 01 March 2015, 15:21:28
Yes, just start transcribing with the 5 a.m. entries.

You should not add an Event about the blank observations because that would violate the TWYS rule.
You should (almost) never add things that are not in the log or make corrections (there are some exceptions in the case of weather data - Type What You See - Yes, but ... Exceptions (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3191.msg51628#msg51628)). The safest thing to do is to ask - as you just did ;)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 01 March 2015, 15:24:04
Exactly the right choice - just TWYS, which is nothing at all when the line is blank.  The simple fact that all 3 transcribers will leave those lines blank will explain everything - one of the nice things about not being responsible for the whole job yourself.  :)



What Randi said - seems we are online together right now.  Hi, Randi.  :)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 01 March 2015, 15:24:54
 ;D
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 01 March 2015, 16:18:58
Hmm, so going to an example (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol025of067/vol025of067_186_0.jpg) from a series of pages I transcribed a while back, should I have ignored the 'Barometer broken' notations on those pages? It's certainly easy enough to click back through them and delete the Entry tabs.


Exactly the right choice - just TWYS, which is nothing at all when the line is blank.  The simple fact that all 3 transcribers will leave those lines blank will explain everything - one of the nice things about not being responsible for the whole job yourself.  :)



What Randi said - seems we are online together right now.  Hi, Randi.  :)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 01 March 2015, 16:28:16
We are saying, Type What You See - literally.  With the exceptions in the "TWYS but..." post that are mostly work-arounds for the differences in handwriting abilities and the available abilities of digitizing for computers. 

You can see "Barometer broken" on this sample so yes, that is an event to enter.
You can see absolutely nothing at all on the blank lines in the first example, so there is no event whatsoever to type there.

It is actually too simple, people who care for this project really do want to make what is on the page correct and improved.  All of us OW addicts have had that reaction, and we just have to learn to leave all the log keeper's errors and stupidities in place as they are.  :)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 01 March 2015, 16:31:24
No, that is fine because you are transcribing what is in the logbook ::) ;)

Also, the general policy is don't worry about going back and fixing mistakes (unless, of course, you are the ocd type ;)), but do it correctly from now on.



This time Janet beat me ;)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 01 March 2015, 16:45:50
 ;D
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 March 2015, 16:29:53
kimma001 passes the 1000 mark!

 ;D
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 03 March 2015, 18:24:54
August 1, 1868

Mare Island Navy Yard

From 8 to Meridian
[...] At 11 o'clock Commodore Alden arrived at the yard, was received with appropriate military honors & relieved Rear Admiral Craven as Cmdr of Navy Yard - Two salutes.

Page Link (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol027of067/vol027of067_039_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 03 March 2015, 18:37:51
If every ship in the yard gave 2 salutes, they had a very noisy morning.  :)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 03 March 2015, 20:34:35
August 4, 1868

Mare Island Navy Yard

From Meridian to 4 P.M.
[...] Crew employed dismantling ship.
                            :o

Page Link (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol027of067/vol027of067_042_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 03 March 2015, 20:56:38
It's just for a refitting and repairs - this is what is on her NHN history page:

Quote
http://naval-history.net/OW-US/Jamestown/USS_Jamestown.htm
...
18 October 1867 - Present at Sitka for hoisting of U.S. flag following purchase of Alaska from Russia.

25 January 1869 - Following repairs, recommissioned, and spent nearly three years in Pacific, cruising the coasts of North and South America and sailing to Tahiti, Fiji and Hawaiian Islands. Decommissioned 7 October 1871.
[She comes back again - don't worry.]

More fun times ahead.  :)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 04 March 2015, 03:21:37
"dismantling" does sound a bit drastic ;)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 05 March 2015, 12:14:48
"Coal Heaver" sounds like a fun job...

Page Link (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol028of067/vol028of067_005_0.jpg)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 05 March 2015, 14:28:33
Naval History and Heritage Command - Compilation of Enlisted Ratings and Apprenticeships, U.S. Navy, 1775 to 1969

Quote from: http://www.history.navy.mil/browse-by-topic/organization-and-administration/ranks/enlisted-personnel/enlisted-ratings-in-u-s-navy-1775-1969.html#anchorc
Coal Heaver - Established 1842; changed to Coal Passer 1893.

Coal Passer - Changed from Coal Heaver 1893; changed to Fire 3c 1917.

Quote from: http://www.history.navy.mil/browse-by-topic/organization-and-administration/ranks/enlisted-personnel/enlisted-ratings-in-u-s-navy-1775-1969.html#anchorf
Fireman - Established 1842; pay grades 1c and 2c established 1847; pay grade 3c established 1917. Re-established as Fireman 1948. Fireman 3c changed to Fireman Recruit 1948; Fireman 2c changed to Fireman Apprentice 1948.

Fireman Apprentice - Changed from Fireman 2c 1948.

Fireman Recruit - Changed from Fireman 3c 1948.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 06 March 2015, 14:16:05
kimma001 passes the 1500 mark!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 06 March 2015, 20:30:59
January 28, 1869

Mare Island Navy Yard

From 4 to 8 P.M.
Rainy unpleasant weather with heavy squalls from the Ed. At 5.45 during a very heavy squall the ship was driven over the buoy, the moorings of which parted; Let go the Starboard anchor, dragged, but brought up alongside Saranac in 5 fms. water 20 fms. chain, passed lines & secured ship bow & stern. Fouled Saranac's fore rigging, carrying away our jib & flying jib martingale stays.
(Sd) A. Dunlop


I can only imagine the shouting during all of this.  :o

Page Link (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol028of067/vol028of067_014_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 06 March 2015, 20:36:39
Now that was not at all fun!!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 08 March 2015, 12:02:36
The Noon entry on this page (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol028of067/vol028of067_024_0.jpg) has what looks like 'In Sun' (the writing is tiny) above the Dry and Wet temperatures, which would explain their unreasonably high values. Should I enter that text in the temperature boxes with the numbers (TWYS)?
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 08 March 2015, 12:41:29
Not in the temp boxes, but as an event.  The jump in temps alone will have the climatologists checking out what went wrong - so they will notice you put in an event.  :)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 08 March 2015, 14:27:36
As Janet says, and...
It is also a good idea to note it here. The scientists know to check this topic ;)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 08 March 2015, 17:44:46
So far for me, from January 27 to February 10, 1869, there are fifteen log pages (days) with both dry and wet bulb temperatures recorded. Ten of them have at least one entry with the wet higher than the dry, and this with only six entries per day.  ???
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 08 March 2015, 19:35:35
Either someone is reversing the numbers or letting the sock on the wet bulb go dry.  It is common and the climatologists and their supercomputer will figure it out.  We have the the easy side of the job.  :)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 09 March 2015, 20:02:19
This page (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol028of067/vol028of067_035_0.jpg) has a blue pencil line striking through the Ther. att'd column, with a notation 'sq 30'. I've read elsewhere that the original data should be transcribed, unless there is something obviously really wrong. I've done that (transcribed it), but wanted to check. Any ideas what 'sq 30' might mean?
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 09 March 2015, 20:10:31
That is not original.  What happens is, the Navy used this log to make the 1870 Pilot book, navigational hazards in foreign ports kind of thing.  Descriptive, not at all like a chart.  And to analyze world weather of 1869.  They wrote notes to themselves in blue pencil so it cannot be confused with the original - Philip calls it vandalism of history.  The Sq. 30 is the location where these logs were written as defined by Marsden squares (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsden_square).

Bottom line, blue pencil = editing pencil, added after the ship had arrived home.  Skip it always. :)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 10 March 2015, 03:50:30
I don't think it is a Marsden square, although it is probably a similar system.
The ship is going from California to Mexico and Marsden square 30 is between Africa and India.
Also, on the following page it transitions from square 30 to square 48, and these two are far apart on the Marsden square map.
I seem to remember that they didn't match up in past cases either.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 10 March 2015, 07:42:37
Well, this was an eventful watch (Page Link (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol028of067/vol028of067_037_1.jpg)):

From 8 A.M. to Merid:-

At 9.30 beat to Quarters by order of Commanding Officer. 1st Sergeant Patrick Cassidy (M.C.) was reduced to the ranks for conduct unbecoming a non-commissioned officer in assaulting and striking with a musket Ship's Corporal James H. Carlton. Private Patk. Cassidy was confined for seven days in solitary confinement full ration for insubordination. Fired Starboard broadside. Gun deck battery loaded with solid shot at targets. Broke two thermometers, broken by concussion of guns. Wm. Brown (Sea) was jammed between No. 4 gun and the main hatch by the recoil of the gun, the breeching being too long.

(S'd) P T Cunningham
Midn

The assault actually occurred back in port, I'm guessing the insubordination occurred immediately after sentencing. Should the broken thermometers be recorded as a separate event for the science team?
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 10 March 2015, 08:46:32
What a very busy morning!!

Quote
Should the broken thermometers be recorded as a separate event for the science team?

Your choice on this one, but I think it would be useful to re-record just the broken thermometers as it explains the missing readings on the previous page. 
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 11 March 2015, 08:05:09
February 24, 1869 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol028of067/vol028of067_042_1.jpg)

8 to Midnight:- Henry Carlton (Lds) 4 hrs. extra watch for hanging dirty clothes in Ward Room.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 11 March 2015, 08:11:37
Ouch!!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 11 March 2015, 08:39:29
I suspect that he got off pretty easy :-\

Quote from: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Ward+room
ward?room
 (w?rd′ro͞om′, -ro͝om′)
n.
1. The common recreation area and dining room for the commissioned officers on a warship.
2. The commissioned officers on a warship.

As a Landsman he is just about at the very bottom of the pecking order.
Quote from: http://www.history.navy.mil/browse-by-topic/organization-and-administration/ranks/enlisted-personnel/ratings-and-the-evolution-of-jobs-in-the-navy.html
men on shipboard with no experience in seagoing
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 11 March 2015, 10:23:03
Call it a learning experience.  :)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 11 March 2015, 10:23:57
 ;D
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 11 March 2015, 21:07:07
February 27, 1869 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol028of067/vol028of067_045_1.jpg)

Approaching Mazatlan, Mexico

From Mer. to 4 P.M., Clear and pleasant, Mod breeze from Wd & Nd. At 1 noticed a singular trembling motion throughout the ship lasting fifty seconds. At 1.20 experienced the same thing lasting about 20 seconds, cause unknown.


That must be an eerie feeling at sea, it's frightening enough on land.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 13 March 2015, 19:31:23
On this page (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol028of067/vol028of067_054_0.jpg) we have 'At sea making passage to...'

TWYS: Tapolabampo (or even Lapolabamko)

or

Google and Forum Search: Topolobampo

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 13 March 2015, 19:48:45
Transcribe as Tapolabampo. It's hard to resist the urge to correct it, but TWYS must be followed at all times.
I speak from experience.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 13 March 2015, 20:06:23
What Hanibal said.

I remain curious what is named like that SW of Mazatlan, but figuring that out is the editor's job.  :)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 13 March 2015, 20:20:31
Next day (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol028of067/vol028of067_055_0.jpg): Tapobobampo

This is fun, I hope they get there... :P

Transcribe as Tapolabampo. It's hard to resist the urge to correct it, but TWYS must be followed at all times.
I speak from experience.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 March 2015, 09:06:02
kimma001 passes the 2000 mark!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 16 March 2015, 20:51:55
March 19, 1869 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol028of067/vol028of067_065_1.jpg)

A busy Merid. to 4 P.M. watch for handing out extra duty for miscellaneous infractions:

24 hrs extra duty for dropping a knife from aloft
3 hrs extra duty for spitting on deck
2 hrs extra duty for attempting to go below before watch was relieved
5 hrs extra duty for same
3 hrs extra duty for defacing paint work
5 hrs extra duty for being below on watch
4 hrs extra duty for wearing shoes washing decks
12 hrs extra duty for carelessly performing duty
2 hrs extra duty for having hammock on Gun deck
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 17 March 2015, 03:53:43
Here's a list of all the remaining log books, uncovered via URL editing:



28: 25th January 1869 - 30th June 1869 (where I and kimma001 are now - we're in separate streams)

30: 1st July 1869 - 31st December 1869

33: 1st January 1870 - 30th June 1870

34: 1st July 1870 - 31st December 1870

37: 1st January 1871 - 30th June 1871

38: 16th March 1876 - 30th September 1876

39: 1st October 1876 - 17th April 1877

40: 1st June 1877 - 9th March 1878


The numbers are correct - I dunno why they keep skipping forward a few places, but that's just the way it is.
There are more logs after this, but those belong to Jamestown 1879.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 17 March 2015, 21:07:28
March 31, 1869 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol028of067/vol028of067_077_1.jpg)

By my count they handed out thirty (30) punishments for miscellaneous infractions on the 8 A.M. to Merid. watch!  :o  I do see a couple of double-dippers, though.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 March 2015, 03:40:19
 :o :o
Too much free time and temptation near by?
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 March 2015, 10:45:25
Hanibal94 passes the 1000 and 2000 marks!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 18 March 2015, 17:26:41
I went with the corrected temperature entries (85,82) for the 2pm observation:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol028of067/vol028of067_085_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol028of067/vol028of067_085_0.jpg)

It fits the weather pattern, but it's in pencil, no guarantee it's contemporary, so...experts? Two transcription entries?

(At least they're in the right order ::))
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 March 2015, 17:40:10
I don't think there is a right answer in this case.
It could have been just after the log page was done or it could have been done years later.
As Philip says, just make your best guess.

I don't think two entries are necessary. Also, that would imply two different, valid readings taken at the same time.

Noting it here for the science team is definitely helpful!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 18 March 2015, 17:46:44
I went with the corrected temperature entries (85,82) for the 2pm observation:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol028of067/vol028of067_085_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol028of067/vol028of067_085_0.jpg)

It fits the weather pattern, but it's in pencil, no guarantee it's contemporary, so...experts? Two transcription entries?

(At least they're in the right order ::))


If you have a correction, make two entries on that line - one normal one with all the original readings and a second shorter one with the corrections.  I'm quoting Philip here establishing standard practice back at the beginnings of the project.  Thanks for asking, and for posting it here.  I'll send it on to Philip.  :)

Hi all,

The writer on the Yarmouth is up to his old tricks again -- not only do we have two days per page, he's now doing some mighty odd things with temperatures.  On http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM53-94181/C4-ADM53-94181-057_1.jpg, at 1400, 1600, and 1800, there are one or more temperatures with double entries. 

At 1400, to me, it's pretty clear that he has crossed out the initial air reading of 66 and corected it with 55, but the bulb and sea temperatures are not crossed out, they are simply put in twice.  With wildly different values!
...
Elizabeth
Well, I don't know what they are doing on that page, but please enter all the observations, even if very dubious.

If you think an entry has been crossed out or otherwise marked as bad, just ignore it, otherwise please enter all the observations. If there are two observations for the same hour, please enter both of them as separate entries: that is put in one observation as normal, then click again in almost the same place, and enter the second version of any measurements with two entries. If in doubt, please put in both measurements.

And thanks for mentioning the problem - sorting out double entries is much easier if they are flagged up in advance.

Philip


Hi, Randi - Bob, her answer isn't a bad one.  For just one reading, there are analysts looking at all the ones that make the computer hiccup. :)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 March 2015, 18:36:12
Hi Janet ;)

Quote
If you have a correction, make two entries on that line - one normal one with all the original readings and a second shorter one with the corrections.
That is not the way I read Philip's comment :-\
I believe he is covering two different cases:
This seems to be a correction rather than two different observations for the same hour.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 18 March 2015, 20:34:19
One of those weird gray area questions.  Truth is, the correction in this case was made with the colored editor's pencil used to enter the data on a Marsden squares (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsden_square) map, which is never done by the log keeper.  It is an add-on.

Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 18 March 2015, 22:30:50
Yeah, I'm going to revert to the original inked entry and let the science QC sort it out.  :P
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 19 March 2015, 03:10:55
 ;D
I have had some like that where I went back and forth :'(
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 19 March 2015, 06:56:28
Just for the record: When I transcribed that page, I went with 85 and 82 as well, because I thought they were corrections made by the log keeper.
Plus, 85 and 82 seem more likely when you look at the next and previous values.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 19 March 2015, 08:59:59
If you think the corrections were made by the log keeper, then 85 and 82 are what should be transcribed.

If you think the corrections were made later (given that they appear to be in pencil and the log keeper wrote in ink), then 95 and 92 are what should be transcribed - even though they are very unlikely.

As Philip has said in the past, if he gets different transcriptions he will know that it wasn't clear ;)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 19 March 2015, 09:26:59
Well, the transcribers on this one were correct.  I always tell Philip of these strange ones, and this time I got back a longer reply than a simple "thank you".  And other corrections don't really need to be made, the analysts have it on record.

As usual, I'm not sure what is best - if there were 2 credible readings we'd ask for both, as you say, if there are 2 readings but the second is a correction of the first - just take the corrected one.

In this situation there are two readings, not obviously a correction, but so different they can't just be two measurements. I think the general advice is 'If you are reasonably confident that one is an error, ignore it and just take the good one (treat it as a correction). If you can't tell which is correct, please enter both'. (You only have to be reasonably confident - we'll never be certain).

Thanks, Philip

Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 20 March 2015, 09:50:01
Hanibal94 passes the 3000 mark!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 20 March 2015, 10:55:07
This page (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol028of067/vol028of067_096_0.jpg) has a large, penciled 'X' over the 1-5pm temperature entries, which are obviously incorrect (110F wet bulb, anyone?). It looks like the same pencil that corrected the entry a few days ago. I'm thinking Mr. Pencil was part of the later data review that produced the blue mark-ups, so I'm transcribing as inked.

I will say that the blue line makes a handy index mark for tracking columns, though, which is probably why it's there.  ;)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 20 March 2015, 10:59:32
Sounds good to me ;)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 20 March 2015, 19:22:24
April 23, 1869 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol028of067/vol028of067_100_1.jpg)

Confined Herman Palmer (Lds) for 5 days on bread and water for using blackguard language to an officer.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 22 March 2015, 14:53:50
Hanibal94 passes the 4000 mark!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 22 March 2015, 14:54:31
kimma001 passes the 3000 mark!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 27 March 2015, 19:40:42
On Sunday, June 6, 1869 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol028of067/vol028of067_144_1.jpg):

Gave privates Bolin, Deutsch and Santos 32 hours extra duty for reported loss of clothing

A few days later (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol028of067/vol028of067_148_1.jpg)...

Confined Tos Santos (P.M.) on bread and water for 3 days for boisterous and indecent conduct while on post

but that evening...

Tos Santos (P.M.) was released from confinement per order Comdr on act. of sickness

I'll be watching for more on this one.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 28 March 2015, 12:18:07
June 16, 1869 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol028of067/vol028of067_154_1.jpg)
Panama Roads

Recd 952 1/2 lbs of bread in Paymaster's Dept and 2 Log books in Navigator's Dept.

Yay, more log books!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 28 March 2015, 13:02:47
 ;D
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 29 March 2015, 13:10:36
June 29, 1869 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol028of067/vol028of067_167_1.jpg)

Another Festival o' Punishments on the USS Jamestown...

From 4 to 8 P.M.

4 hrs extra duty for injuring public property
6 hrs for leaving lookout station
2 hrs for washing clothes without permission
4 hrs for hammock not tied up when ordered
2 hrs for talking at exercise
2 hrs not scrubbing sponge & rammer handles
2 hrs not passing hail properly
2 hrs for missing muster

To be fair, though, they did record 11 promotions that day.  :)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 29 March 2015, 15:46:54
bjoret passes the 1000 mark!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 01 April 2015, 16:58:38
July 17, 1869 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol030of067/vol030of067_025_1.jpg)

Rec'd 1260 lbs hard bread and the following Navigator's Stores: 100 fms log line; 200 fms deep sea line; 50 fms hand line; 2 thermometers; 3 dz. lamp wicks; 2 - 11 lbs hand leads, 1 - 9 lbs hand lead & 1 - 13 lbs hand lead, 1 pr. marine glasses & 1 speaking trumpet.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 01 April 2015, 17:14:41
Eh? What did you say?
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 01 April 2015, 17:25:22
I think they just want to be able hear 'insolence' and 'blackguard language' from the other end of the ship.  ;)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 01 April 2015, 17:40:06
I see that Jamestown hasn't changed much since my day ::)
 ;)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 03 April 2015, 22:24:03
August 4, 1869 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol030of067/vol030of067_043_1.jpg)

Received 7 handspikes for "Ordnance Dept", and 2 urinals for Dept. Equipment & construction.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 03 April 2015, 23:18:51
 ;D
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 05 April 2015, 15:45:56
kimma001 passes the 4000 mark!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 06 April 2015, 21:30:49
Sunday, August 15, 1869 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol030of067/vol030of067_054_1.jpg)
Panama Roads

Rec'd on board for use of crew 197 1/4 lbs fresh beef & 173 3/4 lbs vegetables. Placed in solitary confinement by order of Comdg Officer Jas. McElroy (W.Off.Cook) for unnecessarily delaying the market boat

Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 07 April 2015, 03:23:14
Wow!
I wonder if he has been making a habit of that or if he has done other minor things and this was the last straw.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 07 April 2015, 07:51:27
Yeah, I'd think it would have to be pretty serious to go after your cook.

August 16, 1869 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol030of067/vol030of067_055_1.jpg)

Released Jas. McElroy (W.O.Cook) from confinement by order of the Comd'g Officer.

Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 08 April 2015, 19:43:23
August 22, 1869 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol030of067/vol030of067_061_1.jpg)
At Sea

From 8 AM to Merid.   At 8.05 taken aback - a breeze springing up from N'd & W'd.

I had no idea that 'taken aback' had a nautical origin.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 08 April 2015, 20:10:25
It's amazing how many nautical terms have become every-day vocab.  :)

More examples:  http://www.navy.mil/navydata/traditions/html/navyterm.html
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 10 April 2015, 14:31:28
Hanibal94 passes the 5000 mark!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 14 April 2015, 12:06:39
Sept 13, 1869 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol030of067/vol030of067_083_1.jpg)

Near equator, well west of Galapagos...

4 to 6 P.M.   At 4.10 lookout reported breakers ahead, wore Ship to E'd. Discovered it was reflection of sun's rays on water. Tacked to S.W. by W.

Sept 14, 1869 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol030of067/vol030of067_084_1.jpg)

Commences and until 4 A.M.   At 2.15 water suddenly changed to a whitish color, took cast of lead no bottom in 80 fms. Discolored water about ship during remainder of watch.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 April 2015, 13:02:06
That reflection must have given them a nasty shock!



If you want to, you could post the "Discolored water" note in Natural Phenomena (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=384.0)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 15 April 2015, 08:09:18
Sept 19, 1869 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol030of067/vol030of067_089_1.jpg)

Commences & until 4 A.M.  Wind hauling gradually to eastward. Heavy swell from S.E., rolling lee guns under frequently during the watch.

Their course was SW by W, with winds also from the S.E. Must have been a fun night at sea.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 16 April 2015, 21:24:32
Sept 26, 1869 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol030of067/vol030of067_096_1.jpg)

Working in for Nukahiva.

Google says it's actually NuKu Hiva. Looks like a lovely place.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 April 2015, 00:13:16
The google images show it to be gorgeous.  :)

(http://www.ourdotcom.com/TripLog/FrenchPolynesia/Marquesas/NukuHiva/images/DanielsBay/May10_01_LagoonInTowardsDanielsHouse.jpg)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 20 April 2015, 08:17:26
Hanibal94 passes the 6000 mark!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 20 April 2015, 08:18:27
kimma001 passes the 5000 mark!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 20 April 2015, 08:47:15
It's called semisynchronised transcribing: My goal is to make sure the distance between me and kimma is at least 1000 WR at all times.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 20 April 2015, 19:47:34
Yeah, I noticed that...  ;)

It's called semisynchronised transcribing: My goal is to make sure the distance between me and kimma is at least 1000 WR at all times.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 20 April 2015, 21:36:02
October 16, 1869 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol030of067/vol030of067_116_1.jpg)

Placed John Johnson 2nd in solitary confinement on bread & water for spitting tobacco juice from aloft.

I think I might have brought the cats out of retirement for that one, especially if it landed on my head.  >:(
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 21 April 2015, 18:56:13
October 20, 1869 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol030of067/vol030of067_120_1.jpg)

Mentions 'Yalangalada' for a couple of sightings, which turns up absolutely nothing on Google. Given the bearings relative to Naitamba Island, I think it might actually be Wailagilala. Fun name either way.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 21 April 2015, 19:56:39
Transcribing in Fiji and the south Pacific is fun, just because of the names.  I had had no idea what all was down there.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: propriome on 21 April 2015, 20:05:42
Hi Kimma,

I think the addressed island is Wailangilala, also named Wailagilala, Weilangilala, Welangilala and Yalangatala (every island seem to have at least five or six spellings/aliases).
Position is -16.74693, -179.10281 (or 16 44 49S; 179 06 10W), not far (a little northeast) of Naitamba/Naitauba.

Indeed a quite funny name :D
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 22 April 2015, 07:30:15
October 25, 1869 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol030of067/vol030of067_124_1.jpg)
Harbor of Levuka, Fiji Islands

Placed David Clement (Lds) in solitary confinement for stabbing a man.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 22 April 2015, 09:19:18
 :o Don't turn your back on that crew!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 22 April 2015, 20:50:31
October 28, 1869 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol030of067/vol030of067_127_1.jpg)
Harbor of Levuka, Fiji Islands

Tackobau, King in Fiji, came on board. Fired a salute of 21 guns in his honor.

Actually 'Cakobau'. Nice that he got a formal salute.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 23 April 2015, 13:34:31
November 4, 1869 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol030of067/vol030of067_134_1.jpg)
Levuka Harbor, Fiji Islands

Wm Johnson Jr. was relieved from all further duty and responsibility by the Comdr. & ordered to turn over his department to the Passed assistant Surgeon.

No mention of a reason.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 23 April 2015, 13:52:18
Quote from: http://www.history.navy.mil/browse-by-topic/organization-and-administration/historical-leadership/navy-and-marine-corps-officers-1775-1900/navy-officers-1798-1900-j.html
Johnson, William, Jr.
Assistant Surgeon, 3 September, 1855. Surgeon, 10 August, 1861. Dismissed 19 February, 1870.

 :o



For Passed, see OWpedia (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3209.msg95474#msg95474)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 23 April 2015, 18:41:08
:o

I went back through some of the event pages:

Oct 27 - Breaking out and restowing Spirit Room.
Oct 28 - Court of Investigation convened.
Nov 1,2 - Court of Inquiry convened.
Nov 3 - Court of Arbitration convened, adjourned 'sine die'.
Nov 4 - Surgeon relieved.

Maybe just coincidence? A good bit of drunkenness on board of late.

And this just in...

November 11, 1869 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol030of067/vol030of067_141_1.jpg)
Surgeon W'm Johnson jr. was restored to duty by order of the Comdr.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 April 2015, 09:07:03
Interesting.
Not for long, though.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 25 April 2015, 11:08:12
On this page (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol030of067/vol030of067_145_0.jpg):

1) The 5 AM entry has the cloud codes clearly in the wrong column (Weather). I entered the cloud codes in their proper place, left the Weather entry blank and entered the '8' as written for the Clear Sky column. The '6' in the Cloud column gets lost; or...?

2) There's an extra entry between 2 PM and 3 PM that looks to be there just to record a course change. I put in a 2:30 entry to capture the wind direction.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 25 April 2015, 12:59:53
1) Clear Sky could be either 6 or 8 with the other number being thrown out :-\

2) Correct.
   
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 28 April 2015, 04:32:20
Hey, check this out - I got four sixes!

Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 28 April 2015, 07:38:37
 ;D
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 28 April 2015, 11:48:02
Due to some frustrations with the Patterson, especially the bad URL structure of her logs, I have decided to make the Jamestown 1866 my new primary target.
The Jamestown is shorter (I think), a lot more predictable, and will be completely done a lot sooner thanks to kimma001 doing the third stream.
I got a little less than 3.5 log years left - my personal goal is to get them all done by July 1st 2015. Let's see how I do!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 28 April 2015, 13:04:44
That really sounds like an excellent choice for you, Hanibal.  Right up your weather-only alley.  :)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 28 April 2015, 13:44:51
Grrr... Here I was thinking she was headed homeward from Fiji, and then she slipped back over the180o line without turning that 'E' bright red for me.  :-[   I'm pretty sure I got them all fixed, it's only been a week of sailing.  :P
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 28 April 2015, 13:53:33
We do tend to make the same types of errors as real log keepers ;)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 28 April 2015, 14:05:31
Actually, because of our triple redundancy and ability to go back and correct, we make about half as many as the real log keepers.  But yes - we and the log keepers are all the same kind human, and make the same mistakes.  ;)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 29 April 2015, 19:10:31
December 10, 1869 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol030of067/vol030of067_170_1.jpg)
North of Micronesia

From Merid. to 4 P.M.   Peter Anderson (Sea) fell from aloft and hurt himself.

No mention of severity.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 29 April 2015, 19:22:53
Sounds like something much worse than some bruises but not life-threatening.  Hoping Peter Anderson (Sea) healed completely.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 29 April 2015, 21:30:01
December 13, 1869 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol030of067/vol030of067_173_1.jpg)
Somewhere at sea in Micronesia

Shifted rifle Guns forward and in so doing carried away a part of the wheel.  :o
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 30 April 2015, 20:19:37
December 19, 1869 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol030of067/vol030of067_179_1.jpg)
North of Micronesia

From 4 to 6 P.M.   [...] a light air sprung up with the moon.

Nicely put, sir.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 01 May 2015, 15:39:12
December 22, 1869 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol030of067/vol030of067_182_1.jpg)
22 31 57N, 164 21E

Reduced allowance of water to three (3) quarts per diem.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 02 May 2015, 14:09:14
December 31, 1869 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol030of067/vol030of067_192_1.jpg)

Merid to 4 P.M.   3.30 while reefing the fore top sail Solomon Taylor (Lds) fell from the yard to the deck, thereby receiving serious injuries

Broke his left leg in several places according to the newspaper clipping that Janet posted on March 28 (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3377.msg106125#msg106125).
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 02 May 2015, 17:45:22
January 3, 1870 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol033of067/vol033of067_009_1.jpg)
31 18 24N, 163 26W

This morning Patrick Plunkett (Lds) who was confined last night for disorderly conduct, was pronounced by the Surgeons of this Ship to be evidently deranged, and he should be confined for safety to himself and others.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 02 May 2015, 17:54:35
Not an easy life...
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 May 2015, 15:04:18
Hanibal94 passes the 7000 and 8000 marks!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 May 2015, 15:05:10
kimma001 passes the 6000 mark!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 03 May 2015, 18:41:17
January 8, 1870 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol033of067/vol033of067_014_1.jpg)
At Sea

E. Barnes (PayWr.) disrated to Lds by order of the Comdg Officer for peculation

This one sent me to the dictionary. Seems he had his fingers in the till.  :o
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 04 May 2015, 09:55:09
Just wanted to mention that in May 1870, the Jamestown crosses the International Date Line going west - so the log goes from May 10th to May 12th with no May 11th.
This will presumably be made up for later when she goes back to the US.

(It's been quite an interesting cruise so far. The ship left California in March, was in Hawaii for all of April, and is heading to the Marshall Islands, and what is now Micronesia, next)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 04 May 2015, 10:08:48
Thanks!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 05 May 2015, 05:11:51
I peeked ahead through the July - December 1870 logbook, and here's where the ship will be going:

- Start of log: Moored at Ascension Island (now called Pohnpei), in what is now the Federated States of Micronesia
- Leaves Pohnpei on July 2nd, heads north and then east. Arrives at Honolulu, Hawaii on August 13th.
- Leaves Honolulu on October 29th, heads south - southeast. Arrives at Tahiti on November 26th.
- Leaves Tahiti on December 9th, heads east - southeast. Seems to be heading for South America -> still at sea when log book ends on December 31st.

I like this variety. It's a lot more interesting than the boring old Patterson always taking a boring old trip from California to Alaska in the spring, and a boring old trip from Alaska to California in the autumn.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 05 May 2015, 12:37:07
She just crossed the International Date Line, going East - but there doesn't seem to be any days logged twice, like I was expecting.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol034of067/vol034of067_030_0.jpg - Friday, July 22nd, Longitude is E
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol034of067/vol034of067_030_1.jpg

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol034of067/vol034of067_031_0.jpg - Saturday, July 23rd, Longitude is W
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol034of067/vol034of067_031_1.jpg

No idea what happened here. Will keep transcribing.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 05 May 2015, 20:34:51
March 9, 1870 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol033of067/vol033of067_074_1.jpg)
Saucelito, Cal.

Prince Albert of the Hawaiian Islands took passage aboard for Honolulu.

According to a quick online search, Prince Albert Kamehameha died in 1862 at the age of four. Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha visited Hawaii in 1869, and wouldn't have been on this boat, anyway. Who is this one? ???
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 05 May 2015, 22:01:40
Outside of King Kamehameha V himself, I don't think there were many living males in the Hawaiian royalty, just a great many women.  The Hawaiian articles online say the next king had to be elected by the legislature because Kamehameha V had no living children and had not named his successor.  I don't think any of eligible went by "prince" but they might have.  The only 2 male candidates were William Charles Lunalilo (elected King Lunalilo) and David Kalakaua (elected King Kalakaua after Lunalilo's death).  There were no other 'princes'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Hawaii
http://www.hawaiianencyclopedia.com/part-i.-n257-m333299-hawaiithe.asp

Could they have been duped by an impostor?  The 'Sandwich Islands' were a British possession then, and the Americans almost certainly didn't know the complex Hawaiian royal family by name.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 07 May 2015, 14:15:30
April 4, 1870 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol033of067/vol033of067_100_1.jpg)
Honolulu, Sandwich Islands

Surveyed & sent on shore to be sold 4143 lbs of bread; 6 barrels of flour; 725 lbs pickles; 1100 lbs dried apples, 288 empty bread bags.    ???

James Daily (Lds) was brought a board stabbed by John O'Neil (C.Or.Mr) O'Neil in confinement a shore    :o
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 07 May 2015, 14:24:26
Looking at http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol030of067/vol030of067_005_0.jpg and http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol020of067/vol020of067_005_0.jpg, I'm wondering if that could be (soon to be ex-) Chief Quarter Master O'Neil :-\
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 07 May 2015, 14:26:28
It does look like C. Qr. Mr => Chief Quartermaster.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 07 May 2015, 15:53:10
Hanibal94 passes the 9000 and 10,000 marks!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 07 May 2015, 15:53:56
kimma001 passes the 7000 mark!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 07 May 2015, 18:26:35
That is a 'Q', isn't it...makes more sense that way.   :P

It does look like C. Qr. Mr => Chief Quartermaster.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 07 May 2015, 18:29:09
I didn't see it till I looked at the list of the ship's complement ;)
I have found those lists very handy at times!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 07 May 2015, 18:59:00
April 8, 1870 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol033of067/vol033of067_104_1.jpg)

4 to 8 P.M.   Read Sentence of John O'Neil (C.Qr.Mr) to crew

...but not recorded in log.  ::)

April 29, 1870 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol033of067/vol033of067_125_1.jpg)

John O'Neil (Ch.Qr.Mr) was released by the authorities on shore, on payment of his fine ($75) & brought off to the ship
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 07 May 2015, 21:52:35
April 11, 1870 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol033of067/vol033of067_107_1.jpg)
Honolulu, Sandwich Islands

Merid to 4 P.M.   At 1.50 Queen Emma & suite visited the ship. Manned yards & fired a salute of 21 guns with Hawaiian Ensign at the main. At 3.50 Queen left the ship.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 11 May 2015, 20:07:49
May 24, 1870 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol033of067/vol033of067_149_1.jpg)

8 A.M. to Merid.   Ship in charge of Pilot standing in for Butaritari or Pitts Island. At 10. called all hands work ship. At 10.37 grounded on a coral reef: tried to run her over & then attempted to back her off, not succeeding in either, got out the 3rd Cutter, the stream anchor & chain and Kedge & attempted to Kedge her off, the sails assisting, but did not succeed. [...] The said reef is at the Eastern edge of the West entrance to the lagoon of Butaritari or Pitts Island.

Merid to 4 P.M.   At 2.00 got out all boats.

4 to 6 P.M.   At 4 the Eng. schooner "Ida" came alongside & took out Port Bower anchor and 115 fms. of 11 in. hawser.

From 6 to 8 P.M.   Sent the Launch 1st & 2nd & 3rd Cutters, Gig and Dingy in charge of Mate Nolton to anchor on our port beam, under the lee of a small Island for the night. Ship gradually righting.

8 P.M. to Mid.   Ship righting gradually. At 11. called "all hands", set miz topsail, braced it aback and manned the deck tackle, but could not start her off.


To be continued...


Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 11 May 2015, 20:33:42
and what did that pilot have to say about this? :o
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 11 May 2015, 20:42:49
May 25, 1870 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol033of067/vol033of067_150_1.jpg)

Commences and until 4 A.M.   Sent down t'gallant & royal yds. At 12.00 set main topsail & mainsail. At 12.50 ship started off.

Pilot last seen swimming rapidly towards shore...At least that's how my History Channel dramatization ends.  ;)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 11 May 2015, 20:44:09
...and probably looking for another job.  :D
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 11 May 2015, 23:26:08
June 2, 1870 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol033of067/vol033of067_158_1.jpg)
Millii Island, Marshall Group

Commences and till 4 A.M.   Frequent rain squalls. Caught 500 galls of fresh water.

Works out to about 0.2 inches (0.5 cm) of rain using the entire deck area (approximated at 4200 sq.ft.); likely much more rain than that since they probably used something with a smaller catchment area. Somebody check my math...  ;)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 12 May 2015, 03:16:30
They may have used funnels...
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1796.msg22027#msg22027
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 13 May 2015, 09:09:11
I came across a page where the log keeper corrected a mistake: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol037of067/vol037of067_147_0.jpg

I decided to correct for his mistakes - so I entered the morning WR as 2 am, 4 am and 6 am and I ignored the wind direction ditto between 4 and 6 am because it's part of the mistake (Guy entered it, realized what he was doing wrong, and corrected the complete WR).
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 13 May 2015, 09:25:11
If I understand correctly, you followed the log keepers corrections. That is correct ;)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 13 May 2015, 16:32:18
June 15, 1870 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol033of067/vol033of067_171_1.jpg)

They make position bearing references to "Semavim Islands" and "Island of Jakoits". The Island of Jekoits (it's no longer called that) is on the north side of Pohnpei, and it's the Senyavin Islands.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 13 May 2015, 16:40:42
 ;D

You might add them to Geographical Help - China Station, Japan, Pacific and Indian Ocean ;)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 13 May 2015, 17:37:29
Got another log keeper's mistake here: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol037of067/vol037of067_174_0.jpg
All the PM WRs are one row too high - it's quite obvious.

I corrected for this - in other words, I entered the row in "PM" as 1 pm, the row in "1 pm" as 2 pm and so on.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 13 May 2015, 18:21:04
Done.  :D

You might add them to Geographical Help - China Station, Japan, Pacific and Indian Ocean ;)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 13 May 2015, 18:41:25
Woohoo - I just finished all of 1871! Only 3 log books left to go!

The next log book starts on March 16th, 1876, when she's just been recommissioned - here's the entry with the details.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol038of067/vol038of067_009_1.jpg


EDIT: I just noticed the new log appears to use quite a lot of dittos - that should make for faster transcribing!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 May 2015, 03:15:45
Thanks!

Done.  :D

You might add them to Geographical Help - China Station, Japan, Pacific and Indian Ocean ;)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 14 May 2015, 16:07:07
June 27, 1870 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol033of067/vol033of067_183_1.jpg)

Sent 400 lbs flour, 20 lbs Tea & 207 lbs bread to English Brig Annie Porter to relieve the necessities of the Agent of the Pacific Island Trading Company.

What ever does that mean? Satisfying a debt?
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 May 2015, 18:09:02
Ran out of supplies?
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 16 May 2015, 19:16:39
What should I do with double dittos?  (Or in some cases, triple ones?)

Example: Wind directions, weather and cloud codes on http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol038of067/vol038of067_090_0.jpg

Until now, I've been following TWYS - methinks this is fine because the software's method for detecting dittos should work for doubles just as well as it does for singles... but it is possible that this is not the case.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 16 May 2015, 20:58:45
Someone has too much time on their hands if they are dittoing every word and every code and each side of a decimal separately. ::)

Please continue to TWYS, Hanibal.  We'll tell Philip it is happening.

On second thought, they may be just too young and conscientious.  In this period, she's not in the Navy.  She's commissioned as a "State Public Marine School for service in Hawaiian Islands".
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 17 May 2015, 10:20:49
July 26, 1870 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol034of067/vol034of067_034_1.jpg)

Threw overboard fifty seven (57) lbs. pickles condemned by board of Survey

I don't know how you can tell when pickles have gone bad, considering that they actually start out that way.  :o ;)

They've been tossing a lot of bread overboard lately, too. Mealtime at this point in a voyage must not have been something to look forward to.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 20 May 2015, 04:44:55
Someone has too much time on their hands if they are dittoing every word and every code and each side of a decimal separately. ::)

Please continue to TWYS, Hanibal.  We'll tell Philip it is happening.

Any word on what to do with these multi - dittos?
I just checked, and the log book I'm currently doing (October 1st 1876 - April 17th 1877) has them as well.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 20 May 2015, 10:26:07
No word, so just keep on with what you are doing.  :)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 20 May 2015, 19:12:35
August 23, 1870 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol034of067/vol034of067_062_1.jpg)

4 to 8 P.M. Placed Thos. Gunderson (Lds) in sentry's charge for being lousy,

'Lousy', as in lice-ridden, or just generally no good?
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 20 May 2015, 20:18:16
8 to Merid

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol034of067/vol034of067_064_1.jpg

I was this close to making a Person Mention entry for a General Cargo.   ::)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 21 May 2015, 03:44:12
 ;D
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 21 May 2015, 18:30:06
September 8, 1870 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol034of067/vol034of067_078_1.jpg)
Honolulu Harbor

American Ship John Bryant, Capt. Holmes, 40 days from San Francisco, for New York, general cargo, came in having lost bowsprit, fore top mast and main top galt. mast in a cyclone Lat 14 N. Long. 121 W.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 21 May 2015, 22:46:07
September 20, 1870 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol034of067/vol034of067_090_1.jpg)
Honolulu Harbor

Half masted colors for the death of the Dowager Queen Kalama

So, I go do an Internet search to learn a bit about Queen Kalama, and come across this in the Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalama):

"On September 21, American marines had to be landed to place the American flag at half-mast, when the American consul at Honolulu would not assume responsibility for doing so, owing to a past instance where the Queen's death was falsely reported."

I wonder if our friends on the Jamestown mention this? Pull up the events page for September 21 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol034of067/vol034of067_091_1.jpg) and...

8 A.M. to Merid.   About 10.45 sent Ensign Dunlap ashore to request the American Consul to half mast the Consular colors, which he refused to do on the ground of not being officially notified. About 11 sent Master Welch ashore to report to Comdr Truxtun that the Consul refused to half mast his colors. About 11.45 sent Lieut H.C. Cochrane USMC ashore with four privates and a sergeant to half mast the Colors of the American Consulate

Merid to 4 P.M.   At 12.24 the colors on the U.S. Consulate were half masted.


I'm thinking there must have been more to this story.

Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 22 May 2015, 03:29:31
 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 22 May 2015, 13:48:50
October 7, 1870 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol034of067/vol034of067_107_1.jpg)
Honolulu Harbor

Asst. Surgeon E.C. Thatcher was placed under temporary arrest and sent onboard the British Gunboat "Ringdove" in charge of the Executive Officer Master Wm Welch, to make apologies for insults offered while in a state of intoxication to Officers onboard the "Ringdove" On his return Asst Surgeon Thatcher was restored to duty   :-[
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 22 May 2015, 13:50:42
Wonder what the bar looked like after the American and British officers had had their less-than-sober confrontation.  ;)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 22 May 2015, 14:08:35
Quote from: http://www.history.navy.mil/browse-by-topic/organization-and-administration/historical-leadership/navy-and-marine-corps-officers-1775-1900/navy-officers-1798-1900-t.html
Thatcher, Edward C.
Assistant Surgeon, 8 July, 1867. Resigned 1 March, 1873.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 22 May 2015, 15:04:51
Not a man at ease with ships and navies.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 22 May 2015, 19:50:09
NON STANDARD LOG FORMAT DISCOVERED

The log book for June 1st, 1877 to March 9th, 1878 has an unusual format: Only one page per day, and the columns are out of order - Barometer and Weather Code have been swapped.
Example: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol040of067/vol040of067_004_1.jpg

This isn't a big deal for me, because I've dealt with this format before, but I think it would be good for others to know about it.

P.S. Is it OK to transcribe the "Air" temperature from the log as "Dry" in the entries box?
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 22 May 2015, 23:06:45
Quote
P.S. Is it OK to transcribe the "Air" temperature from the log as "Dry" in the entries box?
Yes - scientifically they are identical, 'dry' is used only when there really is a 'wet' bulb involved and it becomes important to avoid confusion.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 23 May 2015, 05:12:20
Quote
P.S. Is it OK to transcribe the "Air" temperature from the log as "Dry" in the entries box?
Yes - scientifically they are identical, 'dry' is used only when there really is a 'wet' bulb involved and it becomes important to avoid confusion.

Thanks!
The last log book usually only had regular Therm. and Dry. Occasionally, they did Wet as well.
Here's hoping this log isn't like the Patterson ones.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 23 May 2015, 08:31:24
The last log book usually only had regular Therm. and Dry. Occasionally, they did Wet as well.

Do you mean the thermometer attached to the barometer and the air dry bulb thermometer?
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 23 May 2015, 10:39:30
The last log book usually only had regular Therm. and Dry. Occasionally, they did Wet as well.

Do you mean the thermometer attached to the barometer and the air dry bulb thermometer?

Exactly.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 23 May 2015, 15:11:29
November 1, 1870 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol034of067/vol034of067_132_1.jpg)
At Sea

Mate Wm Dougherty having recovered from his debauch returned to duty

They've been at sea for three days, must have been quite a bender... ::)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 23 May 2015, 15:19:43
Reported here: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol034of067/vol034of067_130_1.jpg
 :o
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 23 May 2015, 19:29:58
I have discovered what appears to be a case of bad laziness amongst the crew:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol040of067/vol040of067_018_1.jpg - June 29th, logged normally
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol040of067/vol040of067_019_0.jpg - June 30th, completely blank
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol040of067/vol040of067_019_1.jpg - July 1st, logged normally
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol040of067/vol040of067_020_0.jpg - July 2nd, almost nothing logged
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol040of067/vol040of067_020_1.jpg - July 3rd, completely blank
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol040of067/vol040of067_021_0.jpg - July 4th, logged normally
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol040of067/vol040of067_021_1.jpg - July 5th, logged normally.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 23 May 2015, 20:51:41
Some training ship!! ::)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 May 2015, 08:30:09
kimma001 passes the 8000, 9000, and 10,000 marks!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 25 May 2015, 12:25:58
Hanibal94 passes the 20,000 and 30,000 marks!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 26 May 2015, 08:19:15
Good news: It looks like the time of double and triple dittos is over, starting late November 1877.
I've only seen singles since then.

I transcribed all the doubles and triples I came across as written, just like I was asked to.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 26 May 2015, 09:45:28
Okay... I just came across something very weird.
Starting with January 1st, 1878, they appear to have completely ignored the log book layout and just done their own thing: They acted as if it were a standard log.
I checked ahead, and this goes all the way to March 9th, where the log ends.

Example:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol040of067/vol040of067_114_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol040of067/vol040of067_114_1.jpg

It looks like the two temperatures are Ther Attached and Dry Bulb, so I will transcribe them as such even when they aren't explicitly marked as such in the header.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 26 May 2015, 09:59:31
Sounds good.
It looks like they got stuck with an old log book but decided to keep the columns in the new order.





Reminder to everyone:
If you see something non-standard, please ask how to handle it and/or search this topic for more information ;)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 26 May 2015, 12:41:44
Sounds good.
It looks like they got stuck with an old log book but decided to keep the columns in the new order.

That is true - but the funny thing is that the log starts on June 1st, 1877, and up until January 1st 1878 they just went with the old order.
It's only right when the new year starts that they switch.

Does a new year mean a new crew? Can somebody who actually cares about that stuff please answer?
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 26 May 2015, 13:52:59
Looking at the events pages, the commander and people signing off the watches are the same.
However the handwriting has completely changed. I suspect that a new person is copying the log and that person has decided on (or been told) the order of the weather data.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 26 May 2015, 17:57:56
I did it! I finished my part on the Jamestown 1866! Woo hoo hoo!
Turns out 9th March 1878 is the very last day.

Boy, it sure feels great to have another one knocked off my list. It's been too long.
I even managed to break my record for the most WR transcribed in one day: The new record is 3328 WR (Not all on this ship - 264 of those are from other vessels).

Next, I shall return to the Patterson. But not tonight - my forearms are aching, and my head is getting tired.
I need to rest.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 26 May 2015, 18:07:07
By all means rest.  We need you to take care of yourself.  :)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 26 May 2015, 18:52:33
Great job, Hanibal!  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 27 May 2015, 18:53:05
Rest! Let your fingers cool down  :)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 27 May 2015, 22:11:46
December 26, 1870 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol034of067/vol034of067_187_1.jpg)
At sea, west of Chile

The continuing saga of poor soul Mate Dougherty, last seen taking the first three days of this trip to sleep off his 'debauch' in Tahiti...

Mate Wm Dougherty suspended by order of Comdr. for being drunk on duty. His locker was searched by Ex Officer but no intoxicating liquor found therein. Three bottles of brandy belonging to Mate Wm Dougherty were in possession of E.A. McDonald, Gunner, who reported that fact to the Ex Officer and they were thrown overboard

December 27, 1870 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol034of067/vol034of067_188_1.jpg)

Mate Wm Dougherty returned to duty by order of Comdg. Officer
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 27 May 2015, 23:33:10
According to Hanibal's list, only four log books left!

Quote
34: 1st July 1870 - 31st December 1870

37: 1st January 1871 - 30th June 1871

38: 16th March 1876 - 30th September 1876

39: 1st October 1876 - 17th April 1877

40: 1st June 1877 - 9th March 1878
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 29 May 2015, 23:34:42
January 19, 1871 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol037of067/vol037of067_026_1.jpg)
Callao Bay, Peru

Change of Command!

8 Am to Merid.   At 11. beat to Genl. Quarters. Comdr. Bancroft Gherardi inspected ship preparatory to assuming Command. At 11.30. called all hands to muster. Comdr Wm T. Truxtun disrated all Petty Officers and turned over command to Comdr. Gherardi. Comdr. Gherardi read his orders, assumed command and rerated all Petty Officers.

...and an oops...

Merid to 4 PM.   Masters Welch & Walker returned their commissions, they having been delivered by mistake

..but wait a few days...

January 23, 1871 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol037of067/vol037of067_030_1.jpg)

Masters Wm Welch and Ada Walker rec'd their commissions as Lieut's
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 30 May 2015, 02:40:58
Seems like the red tape to authorize commissions was has slow as ever.  :)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 30 May 2015, 09:58:30
http://www.history.navy.mil/browse-by-topic/organization-and-administration/historical-leadership/navy-and-marine-corps-officers-1775-1900/navy-officers-1798-1900-w.html
(this link works intermittently at the moment)

Walker, Asa.
Midshipman, 21 November, 1862. Graduated June, 1866. Ensign, 12 March, 1868. Master, 26 March, 1869. Lieutenant, 21 March, 1870. Lieutenant Commander, 12 December, 1884. Commander, 11 April, 1894. Captain, 9 September, 1899.
--- It is probably Asa rather than Ada

Welch, William.
Mate, 13 June, 1864. Honorably discharged 15 May, 1866. Mate, 30 August, 1866. Ensign, 12 March, 1868. Master, 18 December, 1868. Lieutenant, 21 March, 1870. Lieutenant Commander, 23 April, 1883. Retired List, 13 December, 1886. Died 12 January, 1887.

It took a very long time for them to receive their commissions :-\
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 30 May 2015, 10:12:20
--- It is probably Asa rather than Ada

Indeed, late-night transcribing. Ada is generally a female name as far as I know.  :)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 02 June 2015, 19:24:13
March 15, 1871 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol037of067/vol037of067_081_1.jpg)
Panama Bay

4 to 8 A.M.   Got frequent casts of lead - at 5.15 got a cast in 15 fms. Water shoaled suddenly and the ship grounded in 2 fms. forward & 2 1/2 fms. aft. braced aback - ran out a Kedge and hauled off - At 6. filled away to SW 1/4 W.

A bit easier than the last time they ran aground (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3933.msg108215#msg108215).
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 08 June 2015, 20:10:06
I'm guessing they got the Dry/Wet bulb columns reversed here:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol037of067/vol037of067_140_0.jpg

They've been pretty good about getting that right, but this one's not super obvious, though, so I transcribed it as-is.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 08 June 2015, 20:39:29
Exactly right.  That particular set of maybe-switched columns is an exception to the exception for TWYS.

Quote
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3191.msg51628#msg51628
...
Only correct entries if it is absolutely certain that they are in the wrong column - like 29.83 for wind direction or West for weather code.
...
Do NOT switch columns just because the wet bulb temperature is higher than the dry bulb temperature. There may be other problems with these records and the team wants to know about them.
...
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 09 June 2015, 13:25:42
The noon observation is

Standing into the Bay of Valparaiso with light airs from the North

So, enter 'light airs' and 'North', Jamestown 1844 style?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol037of067/vol037of067_146_0.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 June 2015, 14:04:59
Sounds good to me ;)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 09 June 2015, 14:15:59
That's what I'd do. 
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 11 June 2015, 15:14:07
Don't recall if Hanibal flagged this one:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol037of067/vol037of067_174_0.jpg

The PM entries appear to be shifted up one row relative to the Hour column. There's even a line connecting 1 PM to the first row of entries, one line up. I'll transcribe them in order as 1 PM through Mid., unless there are other suggestions/directions?
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 11 June 2015, 15:23:28
Yes, he did:
Got another log keeper's mistake here: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol037of067/vol037of067_174_0.jpg
All the PM WRs are one row too high - it's quite obvious.

I corrected for this - in other words, I entered the row in "PM" as 1 pm, the row in "1 pm" as 2 pm and so on.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 11 June 2015, 15:28:55
Note:
If you search the whole forum or a single board you only find the most recent occurrence of the item being searched for.
If you search a specific topic you will find all occurrences.

Using the Search function (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=2186.0)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 11 June 2015, 20:48:39
Randi -

What I'd like to do in this case is search topic 'Jamestown (1866)' for all posts by 'Hanibal94'. If I use the general search function with Jamestown (1866) as the focus, all I get are posts with 'Hanibal94' in the body of he post (WR count milestones, mostly). If I use the advanced function to search user 'Hanibal94' and keywords 'Jamestown (1866)' I only get the most recent matching post in each topic. Am I missing something here?

Thanks,

- Bob
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 11 June 2015, 21:07:04
The way to search to find which topic a phrase/word is in is to search all from the index page, open the board a sample posts is given from and run a second search.  Both will give you sample posts for all the topics that have your desired word. 
Open any topic and search again - this time all the posts inside that topic will come up.  Cumbersome but workable.

Search only seems to work for a name mentioned inside the texts or titles, not for the authors.  Try clicking on Hanibal's avatar and see what info you get on him as far as posts written.  I've been a mod for so long, I don't remember what info is offered to everyone and what is mods-only.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 12 June 2015, 04:34:14
Bob - You are correct in what you said :-\

However, in this case, there was a simple solution. I just searched this topic for vol037of067_174_0
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 12 June 2015, 09:05:06
 :o :-[ ::) 8)

Brilliant! And if I search the topic for vol037of067 I get everything for this log book...

Thanks!

I just searched this topic for vol037of067_174_0
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 12 June 2015, 09:17:24
I've been around for awhile ;) ;D
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 12 June 2015, 19:03:24
March 16, 1876

Meridian to 4 P.M.   At 2.05 P.M. hoisted the flag and put the ship into commission Lt. Commander Henry Glass taking command.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol038of067/vol038of067_009_1.jpg


According to Hanibal's list, only three log books left!

Quote
34: 1st July 1870 - 31st December 1870

37: 1st January 1871 - 30th June 1871

38: 16th March 1876 - 30th September 1876

39: 1st October 1876 - 17th April 1877

40: 1st June 1877 - 9th March 1878
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 12 June 2015, 20:59:49
(http://www.effendylie.com/images/CoolEmoticon.jpg)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 13 June 2015, 09:18:18
Great work, kimma!

Gotta admit, I like you. You're contributing a nice bunch of transcriptions to this project, and you're making good use of the forum too. Keep it up!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 13 June 2015, 10:33:38
Glad to be here  :D
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: vcjbldr on 13 June 2015, 17:22:32
On the day I'm working on, in the morning the column for "Courses steered" is blank, but the Wind Direction column is filled in. But in the afternoon, there is nothing in the Wind Direction column but data in the Courses steered looks like wind data. Can I assume the afternoon person had it wrong and go ahead and fill these in as wind directions?
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 13 June 2015, 17:26:46
If it's this page:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol038of067/vol038of067_023_0.jpg

I assumed the winds were entered in the wrong column.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 13 June 2015, 17:34:38
I assumed the winds were entered in the wrong column.

That's exactly what I assumed too - if you look at neighboring pages, you will notice that Courses Steered is always blank, but Wind Direction is always filled in.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 13 June 2015, 18:38:34
Definitely, Bob.  When certain the data is in the wrong column, enter it in the correct field.  And thanks for checking.  :)

http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3191.msg51628#msg51628
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 13 June 2015, 19:06:14
Actually, if you go back a page, it was new-to-the-forum vcjbldr who brought it up.

Welcome to the OW forum!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 13 June 2015, 20:40:42
Thanks Bob.

Welcome to the forum, vcjbldr.  Feel free to ask any and all questions.  :)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 17 June 2015, 13:20:48
May 9, 1876
San Francisco, Cal.

8 P.M. to Mid.   Boys W'm Kerr + Dan'l Funkenstine were confined for an unnatural offence

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol038of067/vol038of067_063_1.jpg

 :o
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 18 June 2015, 20:38:52
May 27, 1876
San Francisco

8 A.M. to Merid.   Doctor Magruder vaccinated the crew & boys.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 19 June 2015, 03:44:00
Vaccination has quite a long history...
Quote from: http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/vaccination
It is believed likely that some form of inoculation was developed in India or China before the 16th century.[6] Scholar Ole Lund comments: "The earliest documented examples of vaccination are from India and China in the 17th century, where vaccination with powdered scabs from people infected with smallpox was used to protect against the disease. Smallpox used to be a common disease throughout the world and 20% to 30% of infected persons died from the disease. Smallpox was responsible for 8% to 20% of all deaths in several European countries in the 18th century. The tradition of inoculation may have originated in India in 1000 BCE."[22] The mention of inoculation in the Sact'eya Grantham, an Ayurvedic text, was noted by the French scholar Henri Marie Husson in the journal Dictionaire des sciences m?dicales.[23] Almroth Wright, the professor of pathology at Netley, further helped shape the future of vaccination by conducting limited experiments on the professional staff at Netly, including himself. The outcome of these experiments resulted in further development of vaccination in Europe.[24] The Anatolian Ottoman Turks knew about methods of inoculation. This kind of inoculation and other forms of variolation were introduced into England by Lady Montagu, a famous English letter-writer and wife of the English ambassador at Istanbul between 1716 and 1718, who almost died from smallpox as a young adult and was physically scarred from it. She came across the Turkish methods of inoculation, consenting to have her son inoculated by the Embassy surgeon Charles Maitland in the Turkish way. Lady Montagu wrote to her sister and friends in England describing the process in details. On her return to England she continued to propagate the Turkish tradition of inoculation and had many of her relatives inoculated. The breakthrough came when a scientific description of the inoculation operation was submitted to the Royal Society in 1724 by Dr Emmanual Timoni, who had been the Montagu's family physician in Istanbul. Inoculation was adopted both in England and in France nearly half a century before Jenner's famous smallpox vaccine of 1796.[25]
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 19 June 2015, 21:00:14
June 6, 1876
San Francisco

Merid. to 4 P.M.

At 1.45 Boy James Dunn fell (from the Port swinging boom) overboard and was rescued from drowning by Boatswain's mate Charles Oldenburg who jumped overboard after him.


http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol038of067/vol038of067_091_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 19 June 2015, 21:34:19
I'm glad the rescue was prompt, thanks Charles Oldenburg.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 21 June 2015, 10:21:19
July 2, 1876
San Francisco

4 to 8 P.M.   Men getting up gantlines for dressing ship.
8 P.M. to Merid.   Crew employed until 9.20 making preparations for dressing ship.


July 3, 1876

4 to 8 A.M.   dressed Ship at sunrise in honor of the Centenial holiday

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol038of067/vol038of067_117_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol038of067/vol038of067_118_1.jpg

I wonder if our vessel is in view here:

(http://www.nps.gov/common/uploads/photogallery/pwr/park/goga/FC9845B4-155D-4519-3E54F4D305222299/FC9845B4-155D-4519-3E54F4D305222299.jpg)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 21 June 2015, 14:13:04
 8)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 21 June 2015, 14:19:47
July 6, 1876
San Francisco

Chas Oldenburg B.M. was discharged at his own request

I suppose overseeing a ship full of boys may not have been his preferred career path...

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol038of067/vol038of067_121_1.jpg

I'm glad the rescue was prompt, thanks Charles Oldenburg.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 21 June 2015, 14:44:32
July 7, 1876
San Francisco

8 A.M. to Merid.   George McKenna (boy) fell overboard & was picked up immediately.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol038of067/vol038of067_122_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 21 June 2015, 14:48:00
 :o ::)
Chas Oldenburg B.M. knew what he was doing!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 21 June 2015, 15:42:07
That lovely photo has 3 big 3-masted ships, everything else is smaller or lower.  Do you know how many other such are in harbor with you?
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 21 June 2015, 18:44:06
The USS Portsmouth has been mentioned recently, I think everything else has been a steamer. Usually, only arrivals/departures get mentioned, though.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 21 June 2015, 22:32:59
If that is true than certainly Jamestown is out there being photoed. :)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 24 June 2015, 12:44:16
August 2, 1876
At Sea, North Pacific

Merid. to 4 P.M.   Boy Anderson placed in confinement for 48 hours on Bread & Water for maliciously destroying the fore topsail sheet.

 :o

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol038of067/vol038of067_148_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 30 June 2015, 20:39:01
According to Hanibal's list, only two log books left! Web page ticker says 95%. Of course, there's still plenty of Jamestown left in the other segments

Quote
34: 1st July 1870 - 31st December 1870

37: 1st January 1871 - 30th June 1871

38: 16th March 1876 - 30th September 1876

39: 1st October 1876 - 17th April 1877

40: 1st June 1877 - 9th March 1878
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 02 July 2015, 08:49:57
According to Hanibal's list, only two log books left! Web page ticker says 95%. Of course, there's still plenty of Jamestown left in the other segments

Keep it up, Bob! I wanna see this ship done before the end of the year!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 02 July 2015, 09:24:12
Quote
I wanna see this ship done before the end of the year!

I'm managing about one log-week per day on average, which would wrap this one up in September, give or take. Their heavy use of " is speeding things up quite a bit for now.   ;)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 03 July 2015, 17:16:38
November 2, 1876
San Francisco, California

8 A.M. to Merid.   At 11.00 clewed up royals & topgallant sails. & left topsails mastheaded - during the exercise boy Kennedy fell from the main yard to the deck and received some severe bodily contusions. No bones broken or internal injury.

Lucky, but not sure how they determined lack of internal injury so quickly.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 03 July 2015, 17:24:41
Probably mostly decided on what he does say hurts.  If he's holding a stiff upper lip when examined, they won't trust anything.  If he's willing to scream or moan when something hurts, palpatation will tell a lot.  I think, knowing medicine only from the patients side of the relationship.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 03 July 2015, 18:39:38
P.M. barometric pressure entries are in the Leeway column.   ::)

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol039of067/vol039of067_042_0.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 08 July 2015, 23:29:51
December 16, 1876
San Francisco, California

Merid. to 4 P.M.   Condemned and threw overboard by order of Ex Officer mattress belonging to James O'Day.

I'm guessing these things were made of more biodegradable stuff back in the day.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol039of067/vol039of067_084_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 09 July 2015, 01:01:53
I'm wondering if he had fleas, bedbugs or something more contagious.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 12 July 2015, 05:07:59
kimma001 passes the 20,000 mark!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 12 July 2015, 17:37:55
January 13, 1877
At Sea, North Pacific

Commences & until 4 A.M.   Ship rolling deeply - Maximum roll to leeward 35o to windward 30o - Sea rough

Welcome to the Navy, boys!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 13 July 2015, 19:34:22
January 18, 1877
At Sea, North Pacific

8 A.M. to Merid.  At 9.30 all hands were called to witness punishment of Boy McLaren who was flogged for theft by order of the Comdg. Officer.

 :o

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol039of067/vol039of067_117_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 13 July 2015, 20:13:26
All navies were very cruel in the 19th century.  Technically flogging in the Royal Navy was banned.
Quote
Wiki https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Flagellation
In June 1879, flogging in the British Navy was debated in the House of Commons.  ... the First Lord of the Admiralty [was asked] to bring the navy cat-of-nine-tails to the Commons Library so that the members might see what they were voting for. ... The gentry fingering its stained tails. Whereupon ...Quietly, unopposed, The motion was passed.
Quote
Naval History and Heritage Command http://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/b/brief-history-punishment-flogging-us-navy.html
In 1850 the Secretary of the Navy sent an inquiry to a number of naval officers asking for their opinions on whether flogging and grog could be eliminated without damage to the Navy. Of the 84 replies received by the secretary, only seven officers thought that flogging should be discontinued. Therefore when Senator Hale succeeded in getting a law passed in September 1850 abolishing flogging in the Navy and merchant marine, there were a number of naval officers who thought that the legislation was misguided. ... In March 1855 Congress passed a law for the more efficient discipline in the Navy. ... In 1862 Congress gave the force of law to a major revision of all Navy regulations that reflected a more progressive view of discipline.

Clearly some Navy officers clearly disagree with the Congress.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 July 2015, 04:53:17
...and with the President who signed what is presumably Senator Hale's law:
Quote from: http://www.history.navy.mil/browse-by-topic/organization-and-administration/ranks/enlisted-personnel/ratings-and-the-evolution-of-jobs-in-the-navy.html
When President Millard Filmore signed the 1851 naval appropriations bill on 28 September 1850, flogging as a form of punishment in the US. Navy was legally abolished: "Provided, That flogging in the navy, and on board vessels of commerce, be, and the same time is hereby, abolished from and after the passage of this act."

Maybe the Comdg. Officer thought he was in the Royal Navy.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 July 2015, 05:04:54
Just ran across the site Foreign Ships in Micronesia.
Jamestown is mentioned (briefly) in these:
http://micsem.org/pubs/articles/historical/forships/kosrae.htm
http://micsem.org/pubs/articles/historical/forships/marshalls.htm
http://micsem.org/pubs/articles/historical/forships/pohnpei.htm
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 14 July 2015, 08:56:42
 8)

Very interesting to get some of the back story to the rather terse log entries that I remember seeing for a couple of these.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 15 July 2015, 20:09:35
February 5, 1877
Honolulu, H.I.

A busy day for boy Pratt...

Commences and until 4 A.M.

Boy Pratt deserted the ship.

4 to 8 A.M.

a reward of ten dollars was offered for arrest of boy Pratt.

8 A.M. to Meridian.

boy Pratt was returned aboard the ship by a police officer and placed in confinement.

Meridian to 4 P.M.

at 12.45 called all hands to witness punishment of boy Pratt sentenced to be flogged and placed in solitary confinement for three days by order of the Comdg. Officer for desertion, theft and destroying public property.


http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol039of067/vol039of067_135_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 20 July 2015, 18:27:35
February 25, 1877
Honolulu, H.I.

8 AM to Meridian

At 10.00 the Comdg. Officer inspected the crew and ship. The following order was published.   Order: The Comdg. Officer desires to call the attention of the ship's company to the gallant action of Boy Edward S. Burke in assisting to save from drowning one of his shipmates on the 21st inst. The presence of mind shown by Burke and his readiness to expose himself to danger in aid of others merit the highest praise and will, it is hoped furnish an example to be followed by all.


http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol039of067/vol039of067_155_1.jpg

And the action from the 21st:

6 to 8 P.M.   At 6.15 while hoisting the 1st Cutter the bow link gave way throwing boy Wade into the water.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol039of067/vol039of067_151_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 20 July 2015, 20:58:52
A very nice commendation.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 24 July 2015, 21:31:34
April 10, 1877
San Francisco, California

A momentous day on the Training Ship Jamestown. Its first graduating class!

8 AM. to Meridian

At 10.30 the tug "Anasha" came alongside with the Board of Supervisors of the City and County of San Francisco, Commodore Spotts and Commander Casey U.S.N. Senator Roach, Judge Sawyer, Gen'l Winn and about 25 other distinguished guests to witness the 1st annual examination. Exercised in Infantry tactics, making, reefing and furling sail & fire quarters.   The following boys were found competent for transfer to the merchant marine. John Anderson, Edward S. Burke, Jas. E Dunn, Samuel Dodge, Karl G. Faber, Harvey K. Gladden, Frank Gasper, John Gallagher, William Irving, H.L. Keyes, John B. Kelly, W'm McPhorl, Adolph Metzenbecker, Frank Mahoney, James McEanerney, George McKenna, David McLoren, Peter Nichols, Robert E. O'Keefe, Frederic Park, Alva M. Pratt, W'm Ryan, Thos. Rutherford, Arthur Reddington, W'm Nagle and George Hammett. Henry Wetherbee.

Meridian to 4 P.M.

At 1.00 the following prizes were distributed. 1st Prize (Seamanship) Henry Wetherbee. 2nd Prize (Conduct) Adolph Metzenbecker. 3rd Prize (Studies) Sherman B. Moulton and a medal to Edward S. Burke for bravery in rescuing a shipmate from drowning. At 2.00 the Board of Supervisors and party left the ship.


http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol039of067/vol039of067_199_1.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 25 July 2015, 11:08:13
 :P

(http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp29/rcl111/Misc/complete98_zpsrdyesinc.png)

According to Hanibal's list, only one log book left!

Quote
34: 1st July 1870 - 31st December 1870

37: 1st January 1871 - 30th June 1871

38: 16th March 1876 - 30th September 1876

39: 1st October 1876 - 17th April 1877

40: 1st June 1877 - 9th March 1878

This one is a non-standard log format, as also noted previously by Hanibal. Still hoping to be done in September...
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 25 July 2015, 11:48:21
Very good job, Bob! I'm very pleased.

Yes, the last log book is larger than usual, and non-standard.
But I got through it, and so can you!

P.S. Whatever you do, don't do five months of logs in one day like I did. That will wreck your wrists.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 25 July 2015, 14:10:42
Not much chance that will happen!  ;)

My limit is about 10-12 pages/day before my forearm starts to tell me about it, and I'm usually pretty good about taking breaks. Five-seven pages a day is more typical for me (gotta keep my day job, and all that).

Whatever you do, don't do five months of logs in one day like I did.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 26 July 2015, 14:17:38
I know from the page sequence that this is supposed to be the 'Twelfth' day of June...

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol040of067/vol040of067_010_0.jpg

...but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to figure that out if I got handed this one out of context.  ::)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 26 July 2015, 14:55:07
That's why we have How to look at log pages before and after the one you are working on (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3489.msg62863#msg62863) ;D

It is meticulous writing, but it is surprisingly difficult to read at times ::)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 26 July 2015, 15:53:37
That's why we have How to look at log pages before and after the one you are working on (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3489.msg62863#msg62863) ;D

And that's why Craig made this: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4336.msg112716#msg112716
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 30 July 2015, 09:16:57
August 8, 1877
Hilo Harbor, Hawaii

First time I've seen anyone total up the distance run.

Total knots logged from S.F. = 2062.6

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol040of067/vol040of067_038_1.jpg

Not too bad, if it's accurate, Google says the distance is 2017 nm. They were at sea for 22 days.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 30 July 2015, 09:38:49
I don't think I've ever seen that before either.
That sounds pretty darned close to me. A little over the actual distance doesn't seem surprising since they probably didn't follow a straight line :-\
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 31 July 2015, 09:53:06
According to Hanibal's list, only one log book left!

40: 1st June 1877 - 9th March 1878

August 8, 1877
Hilo Harbor, Hawaii

Okay - it has taken you 5 days of real time to do 2 months of logs. That's 2.5 days per month.
If we assume your pace is constant until the end, it will take you 7 * 2.5 = 17.5 days to do the remaining 7 months. August 8th to March 9th is exactly 7 months.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 31 July 2015, 10:50:16
 ::)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 31 July 2015, 11:40:06
Gee whiz, give the guy no more than a 6 day week and a few breaks!! ::) 8)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 31 July 2015, 15:12:19
 :P

Okay - it has taken you 5 days of real time to do 2 months of logs. That's 2.5 days per month.

That five days included a weekend, which skews the rate...

This log format is actually turning out to be faster to transcribe; with only five data items per WR, and less page setup time overhead without the separate comments page. I've also noticed a slight uptick in the 'and 188 more...' activity. Three weeks to completion from here may be a push, but by the end of August is definitely probable.

Thanks for noticing, though...  ;)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 31 July 2015, 16:22:24
Three weeks to completion from here may be a push, but by the end of August is definitely probable.

Thanks for noticing, though...  ;)

End of August would be very nice, if you can manage that!

And yes, I am a very good noticer - when it comes to cold hard facts and figures, that is. Emotions and feelings are more... difficult. But that's another subject.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 01 August 2015, 10:19:23
Wow, somebody (or somebodies) did three weeks of log pages while I was snoozing!  8)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 01 August 2015, 12:32:58
...and welcome to the Top 12 lollia paolina!  ;D

I'll stand down for a bit...  8)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 01 August 2015, 13:24:59
I'll stand down for a bit...  8)

Yes, you should - Silvia isn't the Number 1 here for nothing.
I'm very pleased to see she's here! With her help, this ship will be done in a week!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 02 August 2015, 05:05:28
lollia paolina
Welcome to the top 12 !
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 02 August 2015, 10:24:51
November 2, 1877
At Sea, North Pacific

Hmmm, she looks to be taking on some water...

Commences and until 4.00 a.m.

Clear with passing clouds; moderate sea; moderate breeze from ENE. at 1.00 pumped ship out to 12 1/2 inches; at 2.00 showed 18 1/2 inches. pumped out to 10 inches with 26 strokes of the pump, at 4.00 the well showed 14 inches.

4.00 to 8.00 a.m.

at 8.00 18 1/4 inches water in well.

6.00 to 8.00 P.M.

20 inches water in well.


Seems like a stable level, no further mention next day after this...

Commences and until 4.00

Clear and pleasant - light breeze from S'd & E'd. 20 inches water in well


http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol040of067/vol040of067_083_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol040of067/vol040of067_084_0.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 02 August 2015, 10:43:25
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/MaryRose-leather_bucket.jpg)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 02 August 2015, 10:57:27
 ;D
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 02 August 2015, 21:30:49
November 17, 1877
At Sea, North Pacific, approaching San Francisco

I think this means they tangled with the other ship, but it doesn't actually admit that...  :o

Commences and until 4 a.m.

Clear and pleasant - bright moonlight - smooth sea with long heavy NW swell [...] at 3.30 sighted schooner's green light close under port bow - starb'd fore topmast stun'sl boom carried away and hung from fore yard - secured boom and got it on deck - moon set at 3.30 - ship rolling very heavily.


http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol040of067/vol040of067_091_0.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 02 August 2015, 21:46:11
Definitively tangled with the other ship.  Learning experience for whoever was watching for traffic?
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 02 August 2015, 23:21:36
November 19, 1877
San Francisco, California

 :(   It's news to me she was even on board. I'll have to browse back through the comments to see if I missed it.

Meridian to 4.00 P.M.   at 2.00 funeral party escorted the remains of Mrs. Capt. Glass ashore

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol040of067/vol040of067_092_0.jpg


..and here's part of the story... (from a set of pages I didn't transcribe)

October 22, 1877
Honolulu, Oahu, H.I.

Meridian to 4.00 P.M.   at 1.30 rec'd case on board containing remains of Mrs. Capt. Glass.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol040of067/vol040of067_078_0.jpg
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 02 August 2015, 23:54:56
She must have been along to be "ship mother" with all those boys.  How very young she was.

http://www.geni.com/people/Gertrude-Glass/6000000017451077419
Gertrude Glass
Birthdate:   1855
Death:   Died 1877
Immediate Family:   
Daughter of James Dabney Thornton and Sarah Frances Thornton
Wife of Henry Glass (USN) [Rear Admiral post Civil War]


Rest in Peace, Gertrude Thornton Glass.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 04 August 2015, 16:14:45
The progress counter has reached 100% - but she still says "Transcribe logs".

kimma, Silvia, she's almost done - 9th March 1878 is the last page. Once you've transcribed it, please post here so that we can all know your victory.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 04 August 2015, 17:00:06
Currently at January 9th, 1878. That would mean another week of transcribing if it's just me, sooner with help.  :P :)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: leelaht on 04 August 2015, 21:25:38
 ;D ;D ;D
GO TEAM GO
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 05 August 2015, 22:07:25
Well, after the never-to-be-repeated feat of doing a month of log pages in an evening, I'm done!    :P ;D

The 'Transcribe' light remains lit, though, so some back fill is still needed.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 06 August 2015, 00:09:47
If you are still getting Jamestown 1866 pages, you are not at a true 100% of your voyage, you are at a rounded up 99.x%.  Keep trucking along, you'll get there.

If you are getting sent to another ship or being told "your voyage is over". you will know 100% of your voyage is complete.  :)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 06 August 2015, 03:30:21
Jamestown 1866 is DONE.
When I click transcribe I am sent to Albatross 1884.
I will notify the PTB.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 06 August 2015, 04:50:13
We made it home!!!!!

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-w_U7_VdOYMU/VZcJSCUdnuI/AAAAAAAACrA/U-MzazgonJo/w677-h449-no/Fireworks%2Blarge.gif)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 06 August 2015, 08:58:38
Alright! Another victory! Woohoo!
Great work everybody - especially kimma001 and Silvia for finishing her off at the end.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 06 August 2015, 10:48:03
Congratulations! Well done to all the crew!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 06 August 2015, 12:21:20
Way to go everybody  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: leelaht on 06 August 2015, 13:16:24
YAY WE MADE IT
 ;D ;D ;D ;D
RAH RAH RAH
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 13 August 2015, 10:29:34
Would someone puh-leaze set this ship to VAL already? It's been a whole week since she was completed!
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 13 August 2015, 10:36:39
I will write and ask again, Hanibal.  It really should have been done by now.
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 13 August 2015, 15:06:43
Done.  Thank you, Chris S.  :)

http://www.oldweather.org/ships/514357d3a2fc8e0a5a000002
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 13 August 2015, 15:10:42
Much better!  :)
Title: Re: Jamestown (1866) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Zovacor on 14 August 2015, 00:05:23
Congrats everyone!