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Add your questions and comments to this topic.
If you need help transcribing see:
Jamestown -- Reference: Transcription Example and Log Description (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3534.0)
Guides for US logs: drawing entry boxes, transcribing and editing (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3078.0)
Getting Your Sea Legs (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=4.0)
The Logs and FAQ (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=7.0)
Handwriting Help (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=8.0)
Technical Support (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=14.0)
If you are interested in the names of crew members see:
Jamestown (1844) -- Crew Lists (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3512.0)
For information on some of the ships mentioned, see: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3513.msg84150#msg84150
Directions for Keeping the Log (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_002_0.jpg)
List of all known log books:
1: 25 Dec 1844 - 13 Apr 1846
2: 14 Apr 1846 - 16 Aug 1846
3: 13 Jul 1847 - 29 Jul 1848
4: 30 Jul 1848 - 15 Aug 1849
5: 16 Aug 1849 - 11 May 1850
6: 15 Apr 1851 - 16 Oct 1852
7: 17 Oct 1852 - 11 May 1854
8: 22 Feb 1855 - 31 Dec 1855
9: 1 Jan 1856 - 25 Jan 1857
11: 16 Dec 1857 - 31 Dec 1858
12: 1 Jan 1859 - 22 Dec 1859
13: 23 Dec 1859 - 14 Feb 1860
14: 5 June 1861 - 23 June 1862
15: 24 June 1862 - 9 July 1863
16: 10 July 1863 - 27 July 1864
17: 28 July 1864 - 17 Sep 1865
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There is more discussion on transcribing weather from remarks further along in this topic:
1. Philip has asked us to record air and water temperatures and pressures when they are given in the events as sometimes
happens when there is no weather grid: Temperature + Pressure
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3513.msg67083#msg67083).
2.
Additionally, Craig came up with the idea of trying to capture text
descriptions to supplement the information given in the weather grid or
to create a grid: Wind force and weather
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3513.msg67981#msg67981).
Camiller and I have been doing that. It is entirely up to you if you do
that or not. I have to admit that I'm not entirely sure it is worth the
effort. Philip thinks that it is an interesting idea, but he is not at
all sure he will be able to use the data - though future analysts might.
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;) Will do!
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Warning for the faint at heart - page 3, 2 lines in, and we've already got the lash out.... :P :-\ :o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_006_0.jpg
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In general for all these really old ships:
I totally agree
with Randi, when there are no charts just transcribe the weather
description as written, as an Event. The analyst team will then
have it on their computer screens without having to decipher handwriting
- which is a huge gain from their POV. They already know this
happens in all the blank book logs (no pre-printed tables.)
Whenever
you find numbers, codes or a chart, make it fit into the weather data
as best you can. The Beaufort code was fully developed by this
time (http://climate.arm.ac.uk/scans/abbrev/Beaufort.html), but it is
clear the US Navy was not yet in love with it in the 1840s.
As to the punishment, yes we are back in difficult history.
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All three of the later Jamestown logbook-batches do have normal logbook formats.
Transcribing descriptions of the weather is, currently, optional, but if you don't want to do it, you might be happier on another ship.
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I think this is just a case of 'let's not bother too much since
we're only just equipping the ship' (oh yes - some loooooong lists of
gear are coming up, but nowhere near the calibre of the Jeannette). They
open the log on xmas day 1844, and we know that there's a proper log on
the go by the 8th Feb '45.
Do you reckon it's worth trying to
squeeze the info in the weather boxes then? - it's flimsy 'light airs, a
bit cloudy with snow'. I think it's better as events myself. 8)
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I agree, that's a sentence, not a set of instrument readings.
When they give more precise numbers, etc, we can play with getting them
into our readings boxes. They aren't the first ship who left
weather readings to the port authorities. ;)
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On the January 7, 1845 page 4 more men get 12 lashes each. This does
not seem like a happy ship and they are just starting their commision. i
guess this log is not for the squemish. Back to the important stuff I
am running into long lists of gear including 10 colt pistols and 10 colt
rifles. weather information they give the wind directionand things like
"light breeze". Some of the handwriting is hard to read. If I can make
out weather information i will print it.
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This is from the Naval OR on what this ship did during the "Great war of the rebelion" American civil War part 1
may 1861 Philidelphia
Jun off Charlestown blockade duty
July off Savannah
August Fernandina Florida burned the grounded bark Alvarado which had been captured by the raider Jeff Davis
August St Johns Florida captured the schnoor Aicbirth
September off Savannah captures and scuttles the fishing smack Colonel Long 14 tons
October off Willimington
December Cape fear NC captures the sloop Havelock
January 1862 at hampton roads needs repairs
February off Wilmington
April near Wilmington grounded steamship Nashville a blockade runner gets away
May captures British brig Intended off Wilmington later to hampton roads then Philidephia navy yard for overhaul
end of part 1 from Series I vol 5,6,& 7
corrected Fernddia Fernandina spelling. JB
source: http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/j2/jamestown-i.htm
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part 2
September 1862 orders to proceed to the East Indies via the Cape of Good Hope with stops at Montivadeo and Rio De Janaro
March 1863 at capetown
May Batavia
June Macao
September Yokohoma
Dececember to China
April 1864 Macao
July Yokohama to help guard the US Minester
September chartered the steamer Ta-Kiang and fought an action at Shimonoseki
January 1865 Japan to Macao
April Macao
Jun to August Macao to Mare Island Naval Yard California
from the Naval OR Series I Vols 1,2,&3
I hope this is of some interest it looks like this ship really did some traveling during the war.
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If it doesn't add to the sea ice project, it most certainly adds to
all the global projects half a century before our RN ships. I'll
bet that is an interesting voyage.
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Warning for the faint at heart - page 3, 2 lines in, and we've already got the lash out.... :P :-\ :o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_006_0.jpg
That's where the phrase 'The cat's out of the bag' came from! :-X
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Well, maybe/maybe not...
Let the cat out of the bag: http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/let-the-cat-out-of-the-bag.html
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Jamestown1886 - no date on the weather log page? Date only appears
on the opposite (detailed log entry) page. Or am I blind? Seems weird
NOT to put date on left (both) pages...
Or I am blind :D
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Usually there is only one date per pair of pages.
Just transcribe the date on the page where is appears.
I hope you are enjoying transcribing. Don't hesitate to ask questions!
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Nope, you are seeing true. To understand, picture the weather
and comment pages both showing in an open book. The whole 2 page
spread is that day's log, and when handling the paper book that would be
obvious.
Our scanners took a single picture of that open book,
and the computer then cut the picture in half so we see one page at a
time. The jpg links to the scans
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1073.0) are joined at the
hip as far as our computers are concerned - any dates and locations
recorded on page xxxabc_0.jpg (weather) will automatically be applied to
page xxxabc_1.jpg (comments) and vice versa.
Type what you see and know it will all come out okay. :)
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added: Hi, Randi. :)
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For some slightly more detailed instructions, see How to look at log
pages before and after the one you are working on
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3489.msg62863#msg62863)
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On the 44 log, I assume the "F" column is wind force?! What scale is it? Was Beaufort used here?
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If it is K then F it is Knots and Fathoms measured by an old
fashioned 'chip' log - basically a little sea anchor attached to a line
with knots in it that spools out proportionally to the ship's rate of
advance when the chip is cast into the sea. Used for navigation.
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http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3534.msg57995#msg57995
And,
if it follows the same pattern as Corwin
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3273.msg56442#msg56442), a
'fathom' is a tenth of a knot - and a knot is one 120th of a nautical
mile. See A treatise on navigation and nautical astronomy:
http://books.google.fr/books?id=pnEDAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA28&dq=fathom+knot+tenth&hl=en&sa=X&ei=n5KiULbgE6ea1AWUiIGIDA&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false
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I see! I had fathoms mentally wired with depth under keel or so and
thought "Naaaa....can't be!" Hence the confusion on my part. So, does it
help if I add the weather description to the events tab in addition to
the usual table? I did this anyway on the first few pages in order to
acquaint myself with the handwriting and characteristic style.
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Philip does not currently use weather information in text form.
He, or others, might use it at some future time.
The rule is still 'what interests you'. All the information will be saved.
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Okay, they're mostly one line only, so no big deal.
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It looks like Clewi blew past me as Captain of the Jamestown. This
ship is about to start its commission on anti-slave trade patrol off the
coast of africa. For those of you who expect alot action there wasn't
much. The USN captured 58 slave ships from 1820 to about the 1870s(?)
and only 2 or 3 during the period 1841-1859. See the books the "Royal
navy and the Slave traders" Bernard Edwards and "The Slave Trade" Hugh
Thomas. Also note: alot of sailors did die of disease mostly during
these operations. Also note my first 160 or so posts may not have been
all that accurate.
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James, you can't have been that much more wrong than anyone else here. Give yourself some wiggle room. ;)
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In looking through another book on the history of the USN I have
some errata: The USN captured 5 slavers in 1820,10 during the 1845-1850
period and 25 during the period 1859-1861. I will probably make more
changes when i have more information.
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Note that for Jamestown 1866
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol019of067/vol019of067_057_0.jpg)
the fathoms in the heading (next to knots) are one eighth of a knot and
not the modern 6 feet!
I have done the reverse computation to evaluate the ratio between knot and fathom.
Here are my results for logs around USS Jamestown - vol019of067_08x (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol019of067/vol019of067_084_0.jpg):
1- 60 knots and 31 fathoms vs 64 knots => 0.129,
2- 150 knots and 88 fathoms vs 160 knots => 0.114,
3- 134 knots and 24 fathoms vs 139 knots => 0.208,
4- 147 knots and 62 fathoms vs 155 knots => 0.129,
Conclusion: the ratio seems to be arround 1/8.
Note: This ratio is confirmed by the more often value of fathom column (0 and 4) for (0.0 and 0.5 knot).
http://books.google.fr/books?id=pnEDAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA28&dq=fathom+knot+tenth&hl=en&sa=X&ei=n5KiULbgE6ea1AWUiIGIDA&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false
says
"Sometimes (...) the knot is divided into ten parts; more frequently perhaps into eight.
On
Corwin (http://www.cosmik.com/oldweather/corwin_example_1001-1.jpg), at
least on the pages I looked at, a fathom was a tenth of a knot. Some
later logbooks changed the heading to knots and tenths
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Bear/Bear_1894/pics2%20018_0.jpg).
I was as startled at Corwin's log as jpiquard was here, so I did quite a
bit of digging ;D
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I got the book Africa Squadron the US Navy and the Slave Trade
1842-1861' Don L Canney. Which deals with the USNs anti-slave trade
operations during this period . It has accounts of the Jamestowns
1845-46 and 1855-57 cruises. On the first cruise the Jamestown captured 2
slavers. one was the Merchant detained by the sloop HMS Cygnet off
Sierra Leonne and releases her to the Jamestown on 12 March 1845. The US
courts released the ship and its master. The second was the Robert
Wilson drivn into the US base at Porto Prayo in the Cape Verde islands
do to bad weather the Jamestown was there at the time searched the ship
and found her equipped for a slave voyage seized her with portugese
approval. This time the Federal courts in the US confiscated the ship
and gave the master William Von Pfister 3 years in prison and a $1000
fine in April 1847 he received a full pardon. One hopes this is of
some interest.
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Really amazing and saddening to see how the courts failed to support
the anti-slavery efforts across the board. It explains a kind of
build up to the Dred Scott decision
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sandford) by the Supreme
Court in 1857.
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It's still surprising that they confiscated William Von Pfister's
ship and fined him. This was in 1847. Was there a U.S. law against the
slave trade at that time or was it confiscated for other reasons?
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It's
still surprising that they confiscated William Von Pfister's ship and
fined him. This was in 1847. Was there a U.S. law against the slave
trade at that time or was it confiscated for other reasons?
A long time before: http://history1800s.about.com/od/slaveryinamerica/a/1807slaveact.htm
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Interesting. Thanks, Janet.
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I notice the Jamestown (1844) is on sea time so I am recording PM
and AM. I haven't got far enough yet to observe if they change to civil
time when in port.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_036_1.jpg
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Thanks!
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It doesn't change.
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At 9.30 called all hands to muster and read a general order from commodore Skinner for the suppression of duelling.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_042_1.jpg
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:o Had there been an outbreak of duelling?
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You can read a little of the book Africa Squadron and the book
reviews on amazon. com. I am glad some of you found this interesting.
You may also know that in 1819 a law was passed called the Slave Trade
suppression act which allowed the navy to operate off Africa. In 1820
the law was changed to make slave trading the same as piracy which
carried the death penalty. Only one man was hung for this crime. Most of
the rest either got short jail sentences of a few years and were often
pardoned !? Some slave ships that were captured were confiscated but in
other cases the judge through the case out and the ship was released. In
a few cases the Captains of the USN ships that captured the slave ships
were sued by the slave ship owners!? This was a frustrating time for
the USN however in the 1858-1861 period the US finally sent an adequate
force to operate off Africa the squadrons success rate increased.
As
for dueling before this time there was a lot of dueling between
officers in the USN and around this time the Navy decided to put a stop
to it. Also note: there was still dueling going on between civilians in
the US even a few cases of women dueling women. I know some of this
sounds a little strange but things like this did happen.
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Thanks for this information, James. I was wondering about the dueling too.
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Here's what you might call a motley crew:
Received
the following Kroomen - Jack Will, Ben Coffee, Poor Joe, Jack Saove,
Jack Everyday, Jack Frypan, John Peter, Jack Roberts, Mosquitoe, Jack
Crowbar.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_047_1.jpg
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They got rid of some of the worst the following day:
Discharged Jack Neverfear and Bottle Beer (Kroomen)
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They got rid of some of the worst the following day:
Discharged Jack Neverfear and Bottle Beer (Kroomen)
These guys joined the crew in Porto Praya on 19. Feb. They came from the Macedonian.
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The Macedonian might have been unloading its trouble makers. Of course, I am only going by the names, but Crowbar sounds like someone you might want on a construction job, but not sailing a ship. ;D
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Kroomen - not a misspelling: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seedies_and_Kroomen
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Thanks, Kevin. That gives us a bit of perspective on these men.
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See also Seedies and Kroomen (also Kroumen or Krumen) in the OWpedia
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3209.msg52138#msg52138) ;)
It has Kevin's reference and some other info.
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Thanks, Randi. You have been doing a great job of documenting everything!
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:-*
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The Jamestown is at Cape Palmas, Liberia on Mar 15, 1845. I am
surprised that they received fresh beef there.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_053_1.jpg
"Maryland
in Liberia" was colonized by African Americans in 1834. This article
http://digitalcommons.fiu.edu/dissertations/AAI3076640/ says that
because of low immigration, high death rate and disease fatal to large
livestock, agriculture was not successful. The beef may have been left
by supply ships but they wouldn't be able to store if for long in that
climate.
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In my opinion, unsuccessful beef production in terms of failing to
create a thriving ranching economy does not rule out being able to trade
what fresh slaughtered beef you do have to passing ships for
considerably more wealth than what you can get selling it to your
equally impoverished neighbor.
Everything I've read or
seen documentaries on says that both Liberia and the British Sierra
Leone to their north were founded by whites who meant well, but had zero
understanding of agriculture in that climate and the abilities and
health risks to the colonists they were sending. Someone who only
knew raising cotton in the US should not have been expected to
immediately know how to do subsistence farming in equatorial Africa,
especially when their white governors were thinking only in terms of
generating trade to keep their organizations afloat. I have to
wonder when your dissertation lists the primary crops as sugar and
coffee. Did they mean to keep that colony totally dependent on
cross-Atlantic trade forever? Were they even thinking about making
them self-sufficient?
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Craig has noted that when the Jamestown is in port (e.g.,
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_054_0.jpg)
sometimes there are no formal weather records, but the air and water
temperatures are recorded intermittently in the remarks.
Silvia also noted this on Bear.
Philip has asked us to transcribe this data as Weather Records using the end time of the watch.
Please see Bear -- Reference: Transcription Example and Log Description (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3615.msg62962#msg62962) an an example.
This
example from Jamestown is slightly more complicated because they are
using nautical days (see:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3191.msg51629#msg51629)
Philip says to please add AM & PM to avoid confusion.
For the above page:
| Hour | | Wind Dir | | Force | | Bar Height | | Ther Attached | | Dry| | Wet | | Water | | Weather Code | | Cloud code | | Clear Sky | |
| 6 PM | | | | | 83 | | 82 | | | |
| 8 PM | | | | | 82 | | 82 | | | |
| 4 AM | | | | | 80 | | 81 | | | |
| 8 AM | | | | | 81 | | 82 | | | |
| meridian | | | | | 82 | | 82 | | | |
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And "8 - 12 PM" becomes "midnight"?
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Yes.
In this example, there wasn't any data, so I left it blank.
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I would be curious to hear from Philip how much use is it to have
only wind direction, without force and air pressure, when doing weather
reconstructions? Of course, the wind force is given in the remarks, but
we ignore this. When at sea less than half of the entries contain
temperature readings; the rest are simply wind direction.
On the
other hand, perhaps it's best that I not know if it is not at all useful
because I would really hate to be transcribing it for nothing :)
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You are asking us to guess not only what climatologists will do with
it now, but what they will want to do with it in the future. I've
no answer to that except, if we don't put it in there will always be a
hole in the data.
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I am only asking what Philip is able to do with it now. I didn't say
I wouldn't transcribe it anyway. Getting this sort of feedback from the
science team is interesting to me.
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Me, too. :)
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Here is confirmation that the flourish we sometimes see
following a wind direction is a "d" - see the date - April 3'd
1845. (of course, I entered 03/04/1845)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_063_0.jpg
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The first one in the example at 2 PM is "S'd + W'd". This is the
most common notation. Sometimes its "N'd + E" and then "NE", all mixed
together on the same page. Not sure what the difference is. I entered it
exactly by TWYS rules. :-\ Do with it what you want .
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We can infer quite a lot from just the wind direction: in the UK for
example, if the wind is from the West the weather is mild, if it's from
the East it's hot (in summer) or cold (in winter) - this is because of
the difference between the stable maritime climate of the north Atlantic
and the variable continental climate of Eurasia.
So we're
interested in what controls the wind direction - particularly in major
climate modes like the North Atlantic Oscillation
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Atlantic_oscillation), and the storm
tracks. And this study requires observations - long-term fluctuations
in UK climate are very much long-term fluctuations in the circulation
(wind direction) something which it's still very difficult for our
climate models to reconstruct.
From directions alone we can
construct Westerlyness indices - measures of the fraction of the time
the wind is from the West - see for example Dennis Wheeler's work
reconstructing long-term UK climate variability
http://hol.sagepub.com/content/16/1/39.abstract
(http://hol.sagepub.com/content/16/1/39.abstract) or
http://www.meteohistory.org/2005historyofmeteorology2/10wheeler.pdf
(http://www.meteohistory.org/2005historyofmeteorology2/10wheeler.pdf)
Of course we'd much rather have wind force, pressure, temperature, ... as well. but there is value in just directions.
I
would be curious to hear from Philip how much use is it to have only
wind direction, without force and air pressure, when doing weather
reconstructions? Of course, the wind force is given in the remarks, but
we ignore this. When at sea less than half of the entries contain
temperature readings; the rest are simply wind direction.
On the
other hand, perhaps it's best that I not know if it is not at all useful
because I would really hate to be transcribing it for nothing :)
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Thanks, Philip. I will enter wind direction with more enthusiasm
now.. Clewi and I could even add "light breeze", "moderate breeze", etc.
from the remarks into the Wind Force column
... just kidding! ;)
This
link http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/bibliography/related_files/sgp0102.pdf
says that the North Equatorial Countercurrent flows eastward into the
Guinea Current in the Gulf of Guinea between July to September. From
January to May the North Equatorial Countercurrent disappears and the
surface flow is westward everywhere in the western tropical Atlantic.
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The
first one in the example at 2 PM is "S'd + W'd". This is the most
common notation. Sometimes its "N'd + E" and then "NE", all mixed
together on the same page. Not sure what the difference is. I entered it
exactly by TWYS rules. :-\ Do with it what you want .
You"ve
probably noticed that sometimes the log has two directions in the same
box, separate by a comma. Presumably these are not concurrent.
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A comma? Nope.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_064_0.jpg
midnight "S, W'd"
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This guy's handwriting is quite ambiguous. Later another guy takes
over, and there I haven't seen a comma, yet. It's usually a "+", reading
"S'd + W'd". But I guess in this case it's the same thing anyway.
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What do you think he is trying to say for wind direction at 1 PM
(nautical time)? This is obviously not a comma separating the two
components. I am gussing N'ly E'd
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_065_1.jpg
Aha, I saw on the following page that the squiggle separating the components is an ampersand. So perhaps N & E'd ?
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I agree. It's the only interpretation that isn't gobbledygook.
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Not at all sure, but could it be some form of by?
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I was thinking that too, Randi, but when he intends "by" he writes
it very clearly. Also, as I mentioned, I have seen this squiggle on
other pages and it is obviously and ampersand in those cases. Perhaps
Clewi will have a comment.
Would "by" and "and" be interpreted differently in terms of direction?
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Landlubber thinks so.
N by W is a specific compass point: http://www.cosmik.com/oldweather/81b50ee993e7__1294265292000.jpg
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The same sign shows up in the events from time to time, there
clearly meant to be "and" (by context), could either be a stylized
ampersand or a "+". Since the next guy writes a "+" I have interpreted
this as a plus, too. I wasn't sure if it is an ampersand anyway, but
there was one comment in the events, I don't recall where it was, where
it really looked more like a "+". Whatever, I always entered it as a
plus-sign, and the more I saw, the more convinced I was. I don't think
that it means "by", because he wrote it as such ( 9 PM, 1 AM and noon in
the example above).
Here is an example:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_170_1.jpg
Noon - 4 PM: N'd + E'd
6 to 8 PM: NE
8 to midnight: N + E
4 to 8 AM: N + E'd
All by the same guy! Good luck with those!
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That's not the same handwriting as in the April logs, Clewi. I agree that it looks like a + in the October log page.
I
am guessing that "&" and "," are equivalent and mean that the wind
changed directions during the hour, but that's for the science team to
decide.
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Of course it is not the same. The whole point was to show how they
recorded wind directions on this ship in a better handwriting. I guess
that i.e. "N'd + E'd" means variable winds from that quarter, whereas N
by E or NE are specific directions.
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Point well taken. :-[
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When in port the wind direction is often given in the remarks so I
transcribe it as a weather observation. Usually it is N'd & E'd
while in the Cape Verde Is. and sometimes the log keeper writes N'd
& E'd trade . Other times just "trade". Since "trade" denotes a wind
direction will the science team be able to use this?
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I'll check with Philip...
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Hi Randi.
I
don't know exactly what use could be made of it. Some good work has
been done with quantification of wind descriptors - see for example the
CLIWOC dictionary
http://www.knmi.nl/publications/showAbstract.php?id=641 .
'Trade',
does not tell us about wind strength - it's an indicator of the type of
wind. I'd GUESS that Craig's ship is in the North-East trades, which
are famously regular and reliable, and the entry essentially says
'weather as expected' I.e. 'nothing to report'.
In the
short term I think we will pass that observation to the scientists
simply as a wind direction of NE. There is value in that (it tells us
that any local storms are not reaching the ship location) - though we'd
rather have pressure and temperature etc.
Cheers, Philip
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That was my point, that it is a synonym for NE - not for wind
strength. The latter is given as well but Philip can't use this
information unless it is numeric.
So when I see "trade" I will enter it NE in the wind direction.
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In the short term I think we will pass that observation to the
scientists simply as a wind direction of NE. There is value in that (it
tells us that any local storms are not reaching the ship location) - though we'd rather have pressure and temperature etc.
Cheers, Philip
I
find it very frustrating that we are spending so much time going
through these very old logs and not picking up useful information, such
as cloud cover, precipitation and wind force. I understand all the
arguments against using non-coded data from the remarks but, with all
there is left to do with the US logs, I don't see the day when someone
else will come back and capture this information. Of course, we could
enter it in Events but this more difficult (because of box
proliferation).
From my admittedly limited perspective it seems
that some prioritizing of logs might be useful for climate science, at
least. Ships that sit for long periods in a ports where other sources of
meteorological data are available could receive a lower priority while
voyages of ships that are travelling in areas where the biggest data
gaps exist should get highest priority. Ships? logs that are very
difficult should perhaps be reserved for those with experience and who
also visit the forum. If this were done certain conventions could be
agreed upon that would allow entering a wider range of data.
I
understand that allowing non-coded data in the Weather Observations
cells complicates things for the programmers, but it happens anyway. We
will often get wind directions that are not in a standard format (such
as N?d & E?d or N?ly and E?ly). I propose that we pick up wind force
information, for example. This could be limited to a dozen or so key
terms such as breeze, wind, gale, light, fresh, moderate, strong, etc.
If Philip doesn?t have the time to convert these into numeric values at
this point, at least the data would be there in a standard format to
process in the future. Entering the data into Event boxes is much more
time consuming for transcribers and it is not arranged in a way that is
as amenable to processing. (I have had a lot of experience in writing
programs to parse and organize data). Similar conventions could be
perhaps be established for weather codes and cloud cover.
I
anticipate that there will be a lot of objections to this proposal but I
think it is worth having a discussion about it. There is a huge amount
of work to be done and there are not many people doing it (if you
exclude the many people who join and only do a few log pages and then
give up). I think the science team can get a lot more value out of the
dedicated people who visit the forum if we are used in a more rational
way. Treating everyone as basic data capturers worked well for the UK
ships, but I think the circumstances have changed with the US logs.
There appears to be enough work ahead of us for many years. Why not try
to make the most of us who are experienced and are willing to work
together to get the most out of the logs?
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Craig, assume they are all smart enough to have a search engine to
search out specific terms used to describe wind and weather.
Assume caring transcribers like you have transcribed everything you
think should be used. Assume the climatologists are smart enough
to run that search to look for those terms when they are ready to work
on that data.
Work like this is a long term resource that future
climatologists will be keeping an eye on for years. Our work is
much appreciated.
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I can certainly make those assumptions, Janet, but I know that
unless there is some concerted effort between three transcribers and the
project team to provide something coherent, the data won't be used for
climate models.
For starters, I will probably be the only one
capturing these items unless Philip encourages us. Second, we would have
to agree on what exactly to capture and where to put it, and third, we
would need to reserve some ships for experienced people who visit the
Forum.
I am not disputing the fact that our work is much
appreciated. However, there is a big difference between what gets
recorded in Remarks and what get's recorded in Weather Observations.
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I hear you. I think the difference between us is, I thinking 2
or 3 layers. First the climatologists get the numerical data -
quick, logical, easy to put into databases fast. Then, when there
is a time, getting someone - student labor? - to go more carefully
through the comments on weather and interpret in into digital
spreadsheets. And for that, it absolutely does not need more than
one. No one is using an algorithm to determine accuracy. So
any one transcriber's efforts are valid and will be used when the time
comes for it.
I've worked with data. The judging of
accuracy between the numerical and prose is night and day. They
cannot be handled the same.
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I think we are converging upon agreement, Janet. Philip does not
have time now to deal with non-code text. Where we diverge is the
assumption of future "student labor" or whatever. I doubt this will
happen. What is certain is that there are three of us going through each
log page now, and the incremental cost of picking up the necessary
information is small if it can be entered easily. You are right that
once it is in electronic format it will be easy to convert it to codes,
assuming we standardize the way we enter it. If the climate team is
satisfied with only using the work of one transcriber, that is fine with
me and I will volunteer to do it. Remember, though, that handwriting
sometimes makes it difficult to decipher the text.
I find it
extremely wasteful for us to go through the thousands of log pages and
only pick up wind direction and sporadic temperature readings when we
could be picking up other valuable information (referring to logs like
those of Jamestown 1845). I think the arguments for ignoring this are a
hangover from the UK logs when we had a lot more volunteers and standard
log formats that were filled out relatively well. Circumstances have
changed. This doesn't have to affect the current edit software.
Non-expected text entries in Weather Observation fields can just be
ignored (especially if only one person is entering them).
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Again, I hear you. If I understand Philip's needs (I may be
wrong), climatologists in general need every bit of historical data they
can get their hands on. Soon. Anything is 100% more than
they had for some of these oceanic areas. They need to start
building models now, both their funding and their ability to address the
conditions we need to cope with sociologically demand it.
Once
they have the easy stuff, they will be seriously itching to fill in the
spaces. And very, very quickly in the annals of naval recording,
you have to start interpreting prose accounts to get the best possible
effect. There will still be huge banks of "fog of ignorance"
demanding answers. Bare in mind, they might be able to create
another Zooniverse project to have amateurs convert the prose to digital
- again with demanding 3 to 5 duplicate conversions.
My
experience in quality control says, we must avoid first transcribing and
then converting in the same operation. That, I believe, is
condemning the process to produce either bad transcriptions or bad
conversions - both happening on the same text from different
volunteers. They simply require different thought processes.
And that includes what you want to do. IF
Philip would allow it, I'd have to say you should do straight
transcription for a week of logs, and then go back and convert it.
I would not trust most volunteers to not get the two procedures
confused.
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I agree. I wasn't thinking of converting the words into codes while
transcribing. The important thing now is to pick up the text while we
are going through the logs. At some later point someone could figure out
how to convert them to codes. I think that step would be the fun part
because most of it could be done mechanically. For instance, the table
already exists to convert wind force terms into codes.
Now that I
think of it, since the weather remarks are only given 6 times a day, it
doesn't make as much sense to mix them in with the hourly weather
observations in the same capture window. I could just put the time along
with the remarks in an Event box. For example, here is 04/06/1845
- 4 PM light breeze clear
- 6 PM variable airs hazy
- 8 PM light airs hazy
- midnight light breeze cloudy
- 4 AM light breeze cloudy
- 8 AM light variable breeze
- meridian light airs cloudy
If
I transcribed these, I would leave the "interesting" remarks to the
others to pick up. But I won't volunteer to do this extra work unless
Philip says that it is not necessary to have 3 copies of these weather
remarks. I want to be assured that it is worth my effort.
And
to make it easier, I would be like to omit re-entering the time. So
could Philip deduce the time by the position? For example, if I put the
Event box beside the Weather Observation box could the time of Event be
deduced from the Weather Observation? Since I would be using Event only
for weather there shouldn't be any confusion. I tried it and it's too much of a bother to position the Event boxes. It's easier just to enter the time.
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In this project, comments remain optional. Do what you feel
will let you relax and know this issue is covered. :)
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The core issue, I think, is Craig's comment "I want to be assured
that it is worth my effort". I agree with this wholeheartedly - one of
the core principles underlying oldWeather is that we are all working
collaboratively on the project and we don't waste anybody's time.
One
of my jobs is to take the weather observations as transcribed, convert
them into standard formats, and get them used in current scientific
projects. This is more difficult for some sorts of data than others, and
I concentrate my effort on the sorts of data that we know we can
currently use, and where there is lots of data in the same format -
that's what is efficient. The user interface for oW is designed to help
capture that data (the regular format temperature, pressure, wind etc.)
Of
course many of us are now experts in reading and understanding the
logs, like Craig, and we can capture pretty much anything, but that
doesn't mean I can convert it into standard formats, or my colleagues
know how to use it in their research. We'd like to have it, and I'm sure
we could eventually use it, but rare and unusually-formatted data is
always going to be a low priority, so it may take a long time.
So
while this is useful data, and I like Craig's idea for how to capture
it - I can't guarantee to hold up my end of the bargain and turn it into
science - there is a risk that transcribing it is a waste of your time
because it won't be used. I can't assure you that it is worth your
effort.
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Thanks, Philip. That boils down to whether you feel like an
optimist or a pessimist. They both seem to stand an equal
opportunity of being right.
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I am willing to take a chance and capture the weather remarks if
they will potentially be used even though there may only be one
transcription rather than three. Can I get an affirmation on that much,
at least, Philip?
I would also be happy to work on converting
them to codes once the remarks have all been captured. I could write a
visual basic routine to assist in this process, once we have all agreed
upon the mapping between words and codes.
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Thank you for your feedback Philip.
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It think this situation falls to some extent into the same category
as the database and geographical place names initiatives, even though it
is specific to a couple of ships. I understand that Philip doesn't have
time to deal with data that is not in a readily usable form. But, if we
capture it on our own and convert it into usable codes then at some
point Philip or somebody else may become interested. However, there are a
couple of obstacles to making it happen. First, without keeping a
separate file (and the extra work that entails) we won?t have access to
the data that is typed into the Events boxes unless Philip is willing to
extract it for us. Second, how do we deal with the three-transcribers
problem? Although triple transcription is not required for Remarks
information, once it becomes weather data it may be necessary if it is
to be of comparable quality as the regular coded information. Arguably,
the biggest uncertainty with the wind force and especially the weather
conditions and cloud cover information is not the quality of a single
transcription, but the vagueness of the information provided and how
this is converted into codes. Wind force terms are relatively good, but
cloud descriptions are usually not more specific than clear, passing
clouds or simply ?cloudy?. This may be the main reason why Philip
hesitates to deal with it now, even if we do all the work.
We
have heard Philip say that wind direction data by itself is of some use
but it is clear that without wind force it doesn?t say very much,
especially without air pressure data (which Jamestown-1845 doesn?t
have). A compromise solution might be only to pick up form the Remarks
the words for wind strength and convert those to codes. My guess is that
this is the indicator, of those available, that would be most useful
and it is the best described.
So, should I just forget all this
and get on transcribing as usual, or do you think there is something we
can do to make a useful product without bothering Philip (other than,
perhaps, a file extraction or two)? If the verdict is that we absolutely
need more than 1 transcription is anyone else interested?
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I am, at the moment, transcribing ALL events (whole watch into 1
event, then cut and paste for people, ships, etc.). I am still on
Thetis, but can soon change to Yukon or Jamestown. Given my current
transcription rate, I'm not sure it will make much difference :( ::)
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That's encouraging, Randi. I am willing to go back to the beginning
of Jamestown and transcribe all the weather information.
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Whatever you decide - don't start a separate file. Anything you transcribe is captured in the database - I
may not have the capability to analyze it all (soon), but if you or
anyone else have a serious plan to do your own analysis, I am sure we
can arrange it.
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Thank you, Philip.
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We are still using the results of an Old Weather-like project set on
foot by the German physicist Felix M. Exner more than 100 years ago.
Just in ways unimaginable to Dr. Exner and his colleagues. Using
'rescued' data he was able to produce the first maps of winter pressure
and temperature anomaly associated with what is now recognized as the
Northern Annual Mode (or Arctic Oscillation) in 1913.
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In other words, let's capture the Jamestown data even if they are not in a convenient format?
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Bottom line, comments are optional. You've heard what is now
and what might be. It is most important to do with it what makes
you most comfortable.
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That's encouraging, Randi. I am willing to go back to the beginning of Jamestown and transcribe all the weather information.
I assume you are talking about the 1845 voyage?
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That's encouraging, Randi. I am willing to go back to the beginning of Jamestown and transcribe all the weather information.
I assume you are talking about the 1845 voyage?
Yes, that's the one I am now doing.
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If its compelling. On the other hand, there is a lot of great material to work with that is easier to analyze.
By
the way, we've been having some interesting discussion about how the US
National Archives might use OW output to transform the public/research
experience around one-of-a-kind documents by enabling word-level search.
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Now that would be interesting!! It would completely solve the
"are weather comments findable and usable" question. :)
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Jamestown gets a barometer 8)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_109_1.jpg
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We begin to get barometer readings in the Remarks now - July 9,
1845:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_112_1.jpg
I
am adding them into the Weather Observations corresponding to the end
of the watch, along with the temperatures, until advice to the contrary.
So, for the first watch from 1 to 4 PM I will put 30.22 into the 4 PM
entry.
I'll bet he's pretty proud of his new barometer :)
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That is perfect - he probably coddles it like a new toy. :)
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Not only that, he is assiduously recording temperatures at every watch. Before the barometer he was pretty lax about it.
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New toys motivate all kinds of things. :)
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Typing the whole page of events into Notepad and then pasting it into the event box works well.
This makes it easy to cut and paste from one watch to another and one day to another.
(I also paste it into Word to make sure I haven't added any misspellings.)
(On Thetis, where events were more detailed, I did one watch per event box.)
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You may get tired of typing entire pages for the Jamestown, Randi,
because most of the text is usally just descriptions of sailing
manoeuvers. On the other hand, maybe you won't ;)
In
thinking ahead to the possibility of converting the weather terms to
codes, it might be more useful to have each watch in a separate Event
box, since they will ultimately need to be matched to the corresponding
hourly weather entries. It would be useful to have Philip's input on
what we might do in anticipation of this.
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Each watch starts with the time, so it should be possible to split them up.
Right now I have weather grids with 24 records/page, so I'm recording all the watches is one single event (much easier ;) ).
I'll see what happens when there are no weather grids...
PS - I'm not transcribing Expended and On Hand. I'm not that crazy - and I am a lousy typist ;)
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Cover of logbook 1844-1845
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_002_0.jpg)(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_002_1.jpg)
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Now that was elegant. :)
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It is interesting that the Jamestown met the Yorktown in 1845. We don't have the Yorktown logs for that period, it seems?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_131_0.jpg
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I think it must have been a different Yorktown: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Yorktown_%281839%29
Ours is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Yorktown_%28PG-1%29
http://www.naval-history.net/OWShips-USNShipsList.htm#Yorktown
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Our Yorktown was launched in 1888.
http://www.naval-history.net/OWShips-USNShipsList.htm#Yorktown
I think you met this ship:
DANFS: http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/y1/yorktown-i.htm
The
first Yorktown?laid down in 1838 by the Norfolk Navy Yard and launched
in 1839?was commissioned on 15 November 1840, Comdr. John H. Aulick in
command.
I can't find an image of her, only her sister ship Dale.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/USS_Dale_%281839%29.jpg)
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Are these logs in the pipeline?
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I do not believe so. No one told Gordon to expect them,
anyway. He never mentions this vessel, just Yorktown (2).
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Silvia wanted to enter temperature and pressure data from the Remarks page when there was no weather grid.
Then
Craig wanted to add wind direction and Philip said " I suggest putting
as much as possible in the weather ob - if there's wind, add it in."
So, for the attached example, I asked if entering "light breezes" and "pleasant" was going too far.
Philip replied
Hi Randi.
I would say put it in - let's capture as much as possible.
I have to remind you that I can't guarantee to analyse it successfully
(we should be able to use the temperature, even if we don't get three
repetitions, but the rest is speculative). But it is great to see it
being captured.
Cheers, Philip
Note that, like transcribing remarks in general, this is entirely optional.
I
am only doing this when there is no weather grid (as here:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_048_0.jpg)
NOTE:
1. The end time of the watch is used.
2. Although only "light" shows in the Force box, I actually entered "light breezes".
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Well, this is a lot easier that putting the information into Event boxes 8).
Does
this mean we can put "pafsing clouds", "clear" , "rain", "intermittant
rain" in the Weather code box, as well as "moderate breeze", "fresh
breeze" "moderate wind", etc. in the Force box? That would be perfect!
It would take me half as long to do a page.
I have been using
Event boxes for weather terms since 06/06/1845 and I am near the end of
August now. Is there any point in going back and loading everything into
the Weather Observation boxes?
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Every transcriber who isn't a forum member is doing it in events, so
no point in going back. All of these older free-form logs are
going to be difficult. If it is a letter-coded box, you can input
what the log keeper wrote. I don't know if the force numbers box
will allow that, but you can try.
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Well, this is a lot easier that putting the information into Event boxes 8).
Does
this mean we can put "pafsing clouds", "clear" , "rain", "intermittant
rain" in the Weather code box, as well as "moderate breeze", "fresh
breeze" "moderate wind", etc. in the Force box? That would be perfect!
It would take me half as long to do a page.
Yes! I thought it would be easier to do - and easier to use also ;D
(I hope you meant passing clouds?)
I
have been using Event boxes for weather terms since 06/06/1845 and I am
near the end of August now. Is there any point in going back and
loading everything into the Weather Observation boxes?
I don't think so - you could always do it later if you wanted to.
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Every
transcriber who isn't a forum member is doing it in events, so no point
in going back. All of these older free-form logs are going to be
difficult. If it is a letter-coded box, you can input what the log
keeper wrote. I don't know if the force numbers box will allow that, but you can try.
It does
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Go for it! :)
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The log keeper does write "pafsing clouds".
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except us transcribers are supposed to be able to translate that
germanic thing in the double 's' - miracle workers and seeing back over
time, you know. ;)
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Is that another "TWYS, yes but ..." ;D
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5 March 1845 4 more men flogged. This ship is not for the faint hearted!
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Is that another "TWYS, yes but ..." ;D
Well,
since we don't have the double 's' key on our keyboard, we have to do
the best we can - like when they draw a picture of an anchor :D
(it usually looks like a 'p' to me)
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3534.msg58942#msg58942
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5 March 1845 4 more men flogged. This ship is not for the faint hearted!
This
is a fairly frequent event on the Jamestown. " a doz of the Cats" as he
says. You get used to it - although the crew mustn't have :D They
could have probably been thankful that it wasn't a baker's dozen.
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Interesting comment on the calliagrapy, Joan. My nib days are in the
distant past. I think it was in grade 4 or 5 that we graduated to ball
point.
I am still not sure whether to put ss or fs, Randi? It does often look like a "p" but I afsumed it was an "f".
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A
very good description of how that odd double ss came about is given in
Wiki's description of the long s written like a capital B. The
split '0' or loop on a '6' (or in other round forms) comes about because
the shape of the letters is formed by pressure on the nib rather than
the angle of the nib.
Joan
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Interesting
comment on the calliagrapy, Joan. My nib days are in the distant past. I
think it was in grade 4 or 5 that we graduated to ball point.
I am still not sure whether to put ss or fs, Randi? It does often look like a "p" but I afsumed it was an "f".
As I understand it, it is not actually an f or a p but a "long s". (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_s and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9F)
I
think it is correct, and far less confusing, to transcribe it as ss. If
people really want to know what the log books look like, then they
should look at them.
However, I think it is up to you.
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"ss" it is.
It's a real (light) breeze transcribing the Jamestown now! In fact, it's pafsing marvellous!
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::) ;D
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I hope the historians enjoy the "25 Bushels of Coal" ;D
Rec'd 12 bags of charcoal from Navy Store Keeper.
and
3 cords of wood (not sure if that is for construction or heating)
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It might make them peckish ;D :D :D
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Occasionally the log keeper indicates the weather conditions for
"the first part" and "the latter part" of a watch. Since we enter the
end time of the watch, I have only been entering the weather for the
latter part.
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That makes sense to me.
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It very much makes sense. If there are changes also from the
previous watch, my instinct would be to time it at mid-watch (end of the
first part.) Consistent with current Philip-instructions.
Keeping in mind that is still all optional. :)
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NOTE: This only applies when there are no weather grids.
I have updated this example based on discussions with Philip and Craig.
If you are willing to,
you can also transcribe the wind direction, wind force, and weather.
Some of these descriptions, like "light breezes" (as a wind force), will
not be useable in the current analysis, but they may be used in the
future. Some entries are straightforward, but some are a compromise
between TWYS and mapping to the fields. Just do your best ;)
Craig
has noted that when the Jamestown is in port (e.g.,
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_054_0.jpg)
sometimes there are no formal weather records, but the air and water
temperatures are recorded intermittently in the remarks.
Silvia also noted this on Bear.
Philip has asked us to transcribe this data as Weather Records using the end time of the watch.
Please see Bear -- Reference: Transcription Example and Log Description (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3615.msg62962#msg62962) an an example.
This
example from Jamestown is slightly more complicated because they are
using nautical days (see:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3191.msg51629#msg51629)
Philip says to please add AM & PM to avoid confusion.
For the above page:
| Hour | | Wind Dir | | Force | | Bar Height | | Ther Attached | | Dry| | Wet | | Water | | Weather Code | | Cloud code | | Clear Sky | |
| 6 PM | S'd + W'd | light breezes | | | 83 | | 82 | cloudy, light rain | | |
| 8 PM | West'd | light breezes | | | 82 | | 82 | passing clouds | | |
| 4 AM | variable | light breezes | | | 80 | | 81 | squally appearances, heavy rain, vivid lightening | | |
| 8 AM | West'd | light airs | | | 81 | | 82 | cloudy, vivid lightening | | |
| meridian | variable | light airs | | | 82 | | 82 | squally appearances | | |
Don't forget that we are learning how to handle many of these cases as they arise ;)
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Sometimes there are minor differences between what is recorded in
the weather table and what is written in the logs. For example, at 6 PM
the table says "Calm" for wind direction whereas the remarks say "light
airs".
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_175_0.jpg
I
am transcribing the information from the table. I only add remarks
information when there is nothing in the table for that item.
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That sounds good, the easiest way to get consistency. I see it
very easy, for it to be really calm when you right the hourly readings,
and have a Light Airs spring up when you are summarizing the past
log.
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I've started to process the transcriptions from the Jamestown - it's
early days in the transcription, but I'm checking that all the
ingenuity being put into the transcriptions is coming through in the
processed data.
My current favourite check is the markup video
(http://blog.oldweather.org/2013/04/10/markup-videos), these worked well
for the Rodgers, Manning etc. making nice little short videos. For the
Jamestown, they still work, but it's not so much an animated short as a
three-reel epic: the videos last for 1 second per page + 0.1 seconds per
item transcribed, and the result for Jamestown 1844 already runs for 1
hour 27 minutes.
I've still got a couple of bugs to work out (my
software is currently confused by nautical days), but it's looking good
- in particular we are getting the weather from events.
Thanks, Philip.
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;D
Thank YOU!
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Thank you very much.
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Very neat, Philip!
I can't imagine why the Jamestown 1844
runs for so long. Clewi and I have only done about 300 to 400 pages
each. ???
Perhaps it's because Randi is transcribing everything ;D
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and I've done a whole 8 pages so far ::) ;D
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We just met the American Barque "Madonna":
http://books.google.fr/books?id=MISSqOqfrRIC&pg=PA79&lpg=PA79&dq=%22Madonna%22&source=bl&ots=uO0wZwBa1f&sig=30L02E7FJfmu1qMMdxU9rIn_dHg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=jue4UdHEMMKxO9T1gYgJ&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=%22Madonna%22&f=false
background:
http://books.google.fr/books?id=eU3SH0XvFYoC&pg=PA104&lpg=PA104&dq=richard+lawlin+%22Madonna%22&source=bl&ots=fe-MP62GZP&sig=ClVB9s3TNCHXA1hqLrWL3K4U7Vk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=W-u4UYHIMIrvOcmagbAC&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=richard%20lawlin%20%22Madonna%22&f=false
So have the French - some years earlier ;D:
http://books.google.fr/books?id=E7YTAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA5-PA63&lpg=RA5-PA63&dq=American+Barque+%22Madonna%22&source=bl&ots=cKmBp7iSH9&sig=514ltDBzU7BvlCGWiXmsxp1S6hQ&hl=en&sa=X&ei=jue4UdHEMMKxO9T1gYgJ&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=American%20Barque%20%22Madonna%22&f=false
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Good find, Randi. Here's a map from Donald L. Canny's book.
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Beginning about mid November 1845 the day's log spills over onto a
second page. For the first few times, the date is recorded on the second
page but after that it is not. Of course, I don't transcribe what is
not there.
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:-* ;D
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It's not to clear what is going on here
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_191_0.jpg
but the Yorktown has taken control of the American Schooner,
"Merchant". The following page describes it as the "Prize schooner". I
suppose it must have been a slave ship.
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http://books.google.fr/books?id=MISSqOqfrRIC&pg=PA80&lpg=PA80&dq=American+Schooner,+%22Merchant%22&source=bl&ots=uO0w-qAaVc&sig=0oKnYViJyrynu8Xzkf9KX8MNdzA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=NAa7UaqkI4aiO4rWgKgE&ved=0CFYQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=American%20Schooner%2C%20%22Merchant%22&f=false
http://www.pdavis.nl/SL1845.htm
not too helpful :(
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Here's a wiki article describing the "African Slave Trade Patrol":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Slave_Trade_Patrol#Africa_Squadron
| Vessel | Captor | Date | Location |
| Merchant | Jamestown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Jamestown_(1844)) | 12 March 1845 | Sierra Leone |
Jamestown captured also the "Robert Wilson" almost one year later, on 15 January 1846.
The Commodore Perry was the ship commanding the Africa Squadron (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa_Squadron)
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Here's a wiki article describing the "African Slave Trade Patrol":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Slave_Trade_Patrol#Africa_Squadron
| Vessel | Captor | Date | Location |
| Merchant | Jamestown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Jamestown_(1844)) | 12 March 1845 | Sierra Leone |
...
:o
No we didn't.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_052_0.jpg
and we were off the coast of Liberia: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3640.msg67939#msg67939
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:o :o
That's quite odd... maybe a date mismatch on wiki?
On
the logpage Craig has reported, they're in Sierra Leone and captured
the Merchant... ship, location and captor seems right... the logpage
date is 3 December 1845, wikipedia record is 9 months earlier ???
It seems the list in wiki entry comes from Canney, D.L., "Africa Squadron", Potomac Books, 2006, pp. 233-234
It's
partly available on Google Books:
http://books.google.it/books?id=_E6WNW3ELi0C&pg=PT4&lpg=PP1&dq=&q&f=false#v=onepage&q&f=false
, but pages 233-234 are not available.
Here though:
http://books.google.it/books?id=MISSqOqfrRIC&printsec=frontcover&dq=&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2xy7UZVW8vjhBJjSgZAB&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
On the page 80 the capture of Merchant is enlisted as happening on December, and page 233 is available.
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Mystery solved ;D ;D ;D ;D
The wiki article author has had a little problem with the american date format.
The capture is listed in the mentioned book on page 233 as happening 12/3/45
He has read it, European style, as 12 March 1845, instead than 3 December 1845 ;D ;D ;D
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;D ;D ;D
(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_0490.gif)
But he seems to have gotten most of the other ones right ::) ::) ::)
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Yup, was cheking too... probably he was distracted only while
transcribing that one :) (and obviously - Murphy Laws never fail - the
only one we were actually looking for ;D)
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And that one date in the Wiki article has now been corrected.
(Thanks to Kathy Wendolk, we have formal permission to use our logs as acknowledged sources for fixing mistakes.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Slave_Trade_Patrol#Africa_Squadron
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Wow, a lot has happened since my post this morning 8). Good
work, Mateo! (I hope I have your name right?) And Janet for fixing the
Wiki article.
The Canney book does provide a good account of what
happened. The logs just leave one guessing. If it weren't for Google
Books there is a lot we would never know.
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For fixes like this, we don't need the logs to tell the story, just tell us the particular detail involved. :)
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Thank you Craig :)
And thanks Janet as well for the wiki fix
(there would be another page with the wrong date, which describes
specifically the Africa Squadron only:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa_Squadron)!
PS: It's Matteo with a double t, but it's close enough ;) ;D
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Second article also fixed. They don't know about each other,
neither as a reference to the other at the end. I also added those
"See also" refs. ::)
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Wow,
a lot has happened since my post this morning 8). Good work,
Mateo! (I hope I have your name right?) And Janet for fixing the Wiki
article.
The Canney book does provide a good account of what
happened. The logs just leave one guessing. If it weren't for Google
Books there is a lot we would never know.
If it weren't for the logs, we wouldn't be looking at Google Books ;D
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If it weren't for climate change, I wouldn't be looking at the logs. ;D
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King Freeman from Cape Palmas came on board
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_054_1.jpg
He was the king of one of the native tribes.
- Back
to Africa: A Liberian Tragedy
(http://books.google.fr/books?id=3TojIQRExOQC&pg=PA130&lpg=PA130&dq=liberia+king+freeman&source=bl&ots=0b_vwYnsh2&sig=PFQnYDB4vl7cT8SW1TkzlC0YoFI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=U0O7UfihJ43jO961gbgH&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false)
- Maryland
in Liberia : a history of the colony planted by the Maryland State
Colonization Society under the auspices of the State of Maryland, U.S.,
at Cape Palmas on the south-west coast of Africa, 1833-1853 : a paper
read before the Maryland Historical Society, March 9th, 1885
(http://archive.org/details/marylandinliberi00latrrich)
- Emigrants
to Liberia ? Notes of events which transpired at Cape Palmas, in
reference to the difficulties between the American settlers and the
surrounding native tribes, in December, 1843
(http://www.ccharity.com/contents/roll-emigrants-have-been-sent-colony-liberia-western-africa/liberianotes1/)
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In
the short term I think we will pass that observation to the scientists
simply as a wind direction of NE. There is value in that (it tells us
that any local storms are not reaching the ship location) - though we'd
rather have pressure and temperature etc.
Cheers, Philip
Just
to make sure we are all on the same page, as it were, if the log says
"moderate trades" without specifying the direction, I am putting "N'd
& E'd" in the wind direction and "moderate trades" in the wind
force. I put "N'd & E'd" rather than "NE" because there are minor
variances in how he records the trade winds and without a specific
direction we can't be sure that it was exactly NE. He records N'd &
E'd much more often than "NE"
I know that "trades" is not a wind force but I put in "moderate trades" just to show that this is what was written.
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I have passed the question on to Philip ;)
I am
waiting for clarification, but I do NOT think converting "trade"
to "N'd & E'd" is going to be acceptable because it is not
TWYS. Don't forget that these transcriptions are not just for Philip but
also for future users. They will need to know what was in the log
rather than our interpretations.
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We
should not input information not in the log. If it says 'trade' put in
'trade', if "N'd & E'd trade", put in either "N'd & E'd" or "N'd
& E'd trade". In both cases that's a direction - it says nothing
about the force so leave the force box blank. If it said 'moderate
trade', or 'gentle trade', moderate and gentle would be acceptable force
entries (if the current interface will take them - I haven't checked).
It's
great to select appropriate information from the log - we must not make
inferences from the log while transcribing. (We can do that in
post-processing and editing steps, and we will, but not while
transcribing). Stay as close to TWYS as possible.
Cheers, Philip
Thank you very much Philip!
Force accepts "moderate breezes" and "light airs", so "gentle" should not be a problem.
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I went back and changed my transcriptions to conform to Philip's indications above.
I
think it will be fairly easy for someone to codify the weather
information from the remarks section of the logs. The wording has been
very consistent.
Wind force is mainly: calm, light airs, light
breezes, moderate breezes, fresh breezes, strong breezes, or simply
light, moderate, fresh or strong when combined with "trades"
Weather
conditions are mostly: pleasant, clear, hazy, passing clouds or cloudy.
There has rarely been rain or stormy weather so far in the voyage.
This
is based on the beginning of the logs to February 1846, in the Cape
Verde Islands, Canaries and off the coast of Liberia and Sierra Leone.
The
barometer readings appear to be inconsistent. They don't vary much and
when they do they don't seem to be related to the other conditions, such
as rain and strong winds.
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Thank you for taking this on, Craig. :)
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Thanks Craig.
From the Cliwoc dictionary
(http://www.knmi.nl/publications/showAbstract.php?id=641) we will be
able to translate the log terms to Beaufort forces as:
calm = Force 0
light airs = 1
light breeze = 2
fresh breeze = 5
moderate = 4
And
so on for many others - this assumes the American crew of the Jamestown
used the same vocabulary as English mariners of the same period, which
is likely, but we'll have to check.
So that looks very promising.
As
for the inconsistent barometer - that's a reflection of life in the
tropics. In the high latitudes where most of us live, the atmosphere is
approximately geostrophic
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geostrophic_wind) - the pressure and the
Coriolis force balance each other to form cyclones and anti-cyclones:
revolving wind systems which dominate the weather. So the pressure
varies a lot as the cyclones move through and there is a strong
relationship between the barometer signal and the weather. In the
tropics the Coriolis force is much less, the winds are trades rather
than cyclones, the pressure (and so barometer) varies much less, and
rain comes from squalls and showers rather than from cyclones. So it's
not well signalled by the barometer. You still need to keep an eye on
the barometer in the tropics though, because if it starts to fall, that
means a tropical storm (i.e. trouble).
You can sort-of see the
difference in this video (https://vimeo.com/68078220) note the generally
smooth behaviour of the winds close to the equator (north-east and
south-east trades), and the much more cyclonic behaviour further away.
I went back and changed my transcriptions to conform to Philip's indications above.
I
think it will be fairly easy for someone to codify the weather
information from the remarks section of the logs. The wording has been
very consistent.
Wind force is mainly: calm, light airs, light
breezes, moderate breezes, fresh breezes, strong breezes, or simply
light, moderate, fresh or strong when combined with "trades"
Weather
conditions are mostly: pleasant, clear, hazy, passing clouds or cloudy.
There has rarely been rain or stormy weather so far in the voyage.
This
is based on the beginning of the logs to February 1846, in the Cape
Verde Islands, Canaries and off the coast of Liberia and Sierra Leone.
The
barometer readings appear to be inconsistent. They don't vary much and
when they do they don't seem to be related to the other conditions, such
as rain and strong winds.
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Very interesting, Philip. The barometer sometimes drops suddenly but
nothing has happened so far. I am looking forward to a bit of
variety. ;D
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These guys take wind direction seriously!
SWbyW 1/2 W
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Yeah, then they follow that with a N'd & W'd.
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I still find the weather pictograms on the right to be useful, even
though they can be amusing when I type in words. For example, "clear"
gives my dark clouds, lightning and driving rain whereas "cloudy" gives
me the same thing but rain falling veritically. "pleasant" gives me dark
clouds, lightning and snow whereas "hazy" is represented by dark rain
drops falling at an angle.
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I've noticed them too - here and on Yukon 1 ;D
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My log keeper tends to write lbs as
lbs.
Since he sometimes crosses his l's, I thought this was just a quirk.
However, I discovered that it is a valid form: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_%28mass%29
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Good detective work, Randi. That makes me feel better about it. ;) :D
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A new record - 15 on the sick list.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol002of067/vol002of067_042_0.jpg
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I couldn't find the thread where we used to indicate pages inserted in the logs
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol002of067/vol002of067_067_1.jpg
to
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol002of067/vol002of067_069_1.jpg
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Neat!
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3390.0
Although here is fine too.
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There was a case in WW1 when the entire crew of a merchant ship was
struck with blackwater fever on the west coast of Africa (see 'The
Strange Ordeal of the NORMANDIER') - which left them drifting helplessly
in mid-ocean when they couldn't keep up steam. So there might likely be
plenty of this in the JAMESTOWN logs I'd guess.
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Could be, Kevin. When they got to Boston from the Caribbean they discharged 5 seamen to the navel hospital.
In July 1847 there were 6 people on the sick report and they were anchored in Boston Harbor.
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In July 1847, while in port, the Jamestown is on civil time. During
the 1846 voyage they were always on nautical time. I will have to get
used to this.
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:o :o :o
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The ship is in dry dock in Norfolk on August 1, 1847. 20 men on the
sick list. I think they have a lot more people aboard now, though
because there are some marines with them. I think I saw a total of 135
or so (crew and passengers) when they left Boston.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_015_0.jpg
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Sounds like they definitely have some kind of flu going through the ship - hope it is of the 24-hour type.
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The wind direction recorded for the 1846-7 Jamestown voyages is
almost always approximate, such as "S'd & W'd" or "N'd". It is very
rare to see SW or N. Of course, one could expect some variation during a
4 hour watch but even at sea when they report hourly it is not more
precise. This is in contrast to the more recent ships' logs where
entries such as S'ly or E'ly are relatively rare. I wonder if this
imprecision is due to the quality of their instruments, or perhaps more
recent measurements are not as precise as the log keepers would like us
to believe?
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I'd guess that the early wind directions covered the entire watch and the more recent ones are at the time of the recording.
Perhaps that was because they so heavily dependent on sails in the early periods.
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Sounds reasonable Randi. I think Yukon 1875 was a sailing
ship. I checked the logs and the wind directions were more precise than
those of the Jamestown. I suppose it depends on the log keeper as well.
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I'm not sure I'd give more weight to one or the other (N or N'rly)
in terms of precision. There are a couple of reasons: the entry for the
hour is generally the officer's subjective impression of the wind over
the period, or if at the hour is estimated by looking over the compass
and at the sea surface, pennants etc, and more or less taking into
account apparent wind (due to ship's motion) and compass error
(deviation and variation)... The latter can be quite large in the high
latitudes because of the proximity of the magnetic pole and because the
dip of the compass card can be so large that it jams. (Dip is due to the
fact that the nearer the magnetic pole the ship is, the more vertically
inclined are the magnetic lines of force.) In more modern times ships
often had a 'wind wheel' - a sort of round slide-rule that showed true
wind direction given apparent wind and ship's motion variables.
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So when we see
SW by W 1/2 W
we should roll our eyes ::)
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I wouldn't roll my eyes but neither would I write a paper on the 1/2
point trend W. That said the more precise reports might be traceable to
the younger officers.
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Water temperature no longer recorded :(
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_103_1.jpg
No entries for the rest of this log book.
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There was a yarn you'd hear occasionally about a passenger on a
great transatlantic liner asking each of the deck officers in turn what
the ship's position was - the youngest pricking the chart with a sharp
pencil ranging to the old sea dog captain putting his spread hand down
mid ocean. Probably a nautical legend. The moral of the story, though,
goes to the importance of understanding the role of doubt (uncertainty)
in safe navigation. In the days of the hambone (sextant) +|- a mile or
so was about the best you could do when making landfall from sea, and it
was usual to consider the position always somewhere inside a pretty big
circle of possibility until transitioning to coastal piloting. Nothing
to do with per se, but...
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This is a bit like the useless precision the people tend to publish
in statistical tables. The computer makes it easy to give numbers to
many decimal places, even though they are meaningless.
I would
really like to have a better idea of how much detail is useful in the
climate models. Philip once conceded that there is probably not much
extra information in 24 hourly readings than in 12. We only get 7
readings per day when in port, but sometimes they split up a watch
between "first part" and "last part" but normally not specifying the
exact time. Would it make any difference if we assigned the "first part"
to half way through the watch, rather than only recording the last part
to the hour corresponding to the end of the watch? I suppose this would
violate TWYs unless the exact time is given but how useful would this
extra precision be anyway? I would love to see how all this looks once
it has been "reconstructed"
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I think the objectives in sticking to the 24 readings are manifold.
Some may be practical (or not) in terms of reanalysis, but mainly Philip
has an eye out for other uses now and in the future which would be
scuttled if we took the wrong shortcuts (common with past data recovery
projects dating back to the World Weather Records in the 1920s). Indeed,
the first project Philip and I will be working on next month is using
JEANNETTE data to investigate differences between that drift and the
high-resolution vectors generated by 30-odd years of data from the
International Arctic Data Buoy Program (IABP) and/or the PIOMAS sea ice
model. Here the hourly wind and pressure, and the daily drift of the
JEANNETTE, will be very interesting indeed. We ARE working on ways to
make the minimum useful transcription unit easier to manage (for an
individual) since the US logs tend to have so much data in them.
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I am looking forward to knowning what the MUTU consists of and your
plans to make it easier to manage, Kevin. Also, there must be some
geographical and chronological priority ranking, given the vast number
of log books and the limited number of OW transcribers. In other words,
there might be some data gaps that are more important than others. If
so, would this suggest a preferential ranking of ships' logs to
transcribe?
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There are a number of ideas that have been brought up, from setting
watches to developing some kind of real-time indicator (highlighting) of
what has/has not been transcribed on the page at any given moment. I
have heard that the problem is surprisingly intricate from a developer's
point of view. Not to transcribe less of the information but to make
the dividing of it among crew more efficient (if that's the word).
The
selection of the ships that are put on the site are carefully
considered in light of known regional and temporal data gaps, especially
the Arctic and sub-Arctic oceans (and secondarily due to our current
remit, the Southern Ocean, SE Equatorial Pacific...); the war years, and
pre-1920 data outside the steamer tracks is pretty much all good. We do
end up with some things photographed that we don't put up on OW for
various reasons but will appear on the National Archives site.
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It is possible to squeeze a bit more information from the logs
since, occasionally, they will split the watch into "first part" and
"last part" with regard to weather. Our convention is to record the time
at the end of the watch. When they split it into two parts we could
indicate the first part at an earlier hour. For example, if the watch is
from 4 AM to 8 AM we could show the first part at 6 AM and the last
part at 8 AM. This is arbitrary, for sure, but no more than assigning
the observations for the entire watch to 8 AM.
Here is an example
where they split the first watch
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_128_1.jpg.
The
concern is always that if transcribers don't join the Forum they
will not know what the convention is, but they won't know to assign the
observations to the end of the watch either.
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It looks like the Jamestown, the Decatur and the Poropoise are participating in a regatta:
During this watch this ship has outsailed the Porpoise, and the Porpoise, the Decatur.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_187_1.jpg 4 to 8 AM
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After many months of only wind direction and temperatures, the
Jamestown is recording air pressure again. They are now north of the
tropics so perhaps they consider the barometer readings to be more
useful.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_010_1.jpg
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Hurricane season in that neighborhood, which might explain the
renewed interest in the glass. Keep an eye out for long slow swell and
line squalls in series that sometimes occur with 'tropical wave'
precursor. Square-rigged ships may be forced to run off downwind as the
lines pass through.
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Thanks, Kevin. I will.
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If anyone ever gets around to using the weather remarks they might
wonder if anything useful can be deduced from the frequently used
expression "pleasant weather". One frequently sees in the logs the
combinations: "clear and pleasant" , "cloudy but pleasant" and "pleasant
with passing clouds". Also frequent are "passing clouds", "cloudy" and
"clear" by themselves. Unfortunately for us, the log keeper is concerned
about his writing style and likes to vary his remarks even though the
weather conditions are stable. So the most we can say is that "pleasant"
indicates no precipitation with temperatures and wind strength within a
comfortable range, low humidity and possibly cloudy but not
threatening. Of course, you knew that anyway ;D.
Have a pleasant day! (Oh, and he also writes "fine weather".)
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;D
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Would people be up for some 1886 notes in the Reference topic? The
logkeeper has some odd ways of writing numbers - his 3s, 4s and 5s can
be a bit funny at times, as I've seen discussed somewhere.
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Just post the examples here for now - we don't have an 1886 example at the moment.
I am sure they will be useful!
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Perhaps I'll have to transcribe a suitably interesting '86 page, then (assuming I can read it)!
The
1886 logkeeper's numbers vary a lot - within prose, they are quite
legible, but the numbers for temperatures and so on look completely
different. The kudos for deciphering these go to whatever post I found
them in:
(http://i.imgur.com/YpU38Am.png)
"2" - this is identified by the bottom end pointing to the right, which fits no other number with that many squiggles.
(http://i.imgur.com/EdIFZvP.png)
"3" - differentiated from 2 or 5 by pointing to the left at the bottom, and the definite flick at the top.
(http://i.imgur.com/EkWiIpY.png)
"4" - gets a bit stretched at times, and might be confused with something else (it looks a bit like a H here, for example).
(http://i.imgur.com/iMw7uym.png)
"5"
- can resemble a 3 at times due to the distance between the two
strokes, but lacks the top flick of a 3. I've also come across 2s with a
smudge near the top which can also resemble a 5, but their bottom end
points the wrong way.
(http://i.imgur.com/q5kwdw6.png)
To compare, this is the "prose" form of 2.
(http://i.imgur.com/ZTeZOkk.png)
And
here we have three different 3s! "3" with no flick on the first column,
cursive and non-flick in "30.13", and a flick in "73" in the last
column.
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OK, take a look at my 'quick fix' ;)
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3534.msg57994#msg57994
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That works well, I think.
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I still think their barometer is not worth very much. This day it's
stormy with strong winds and rain and the barometer has hardly moved.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_058_0.jpg
The previous day was pleasant until the evening and the barometer rose from 30.07 to 30.10
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_057_1.jpg
If they used the baromether to catch fish it would probably be more useful.
The
following day the barometer drops to 29.90 and it is stormy. It might
be good for telling what has happened rather than what will happen.
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U.S. Ship Yorktown arrives at Funchal on December 19 1848
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_074_1.jpg
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I think it was this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Yorktown_%281839%29
"Ours"
is more recent - one of those newfangled contraptions with steam
engines: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Yorktown_%28PG-1%29
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It says this Yorktown struck an uncharted reef off the northern coast of Maio on the 2 September 1850.
The
crew of Yorktown lived on Maio Island for over a month which, according
to Parker, relaxation was the norm and the crew did little more than
"relax and play in donkey races." On 8 October, the USS Dale arrived to
pick up the crew and they were transferred to the USS Portsmouth which
sailed for Norfolk, arriving in December 1850.[2]
Donkey races sound like great fun ;D
Might we be getting the logs for the Yorktown 0 ?
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Met U.S.S. Constitution - "Old Ironsides" 29/12/1848
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_079_1.jpg
This is the description of her voyage:
Mediterranean and African Squadrons[edit]Further information: Anti-Slavery operations of the United States Navy
The
Andrew Jackson figurehead as depicted by Harpers Weekly in 1875
Constitution began a refitting in 1847 for duty with the Mediterranean
Squadron. The figurehead of Andrew Jackson that had caused so much
controversy fifteen years earlier was replaced with another, this time
sans the top hat and with a more Napoleonic pose for Jackson. Captain
John Gwinn commanded her on this voyage, departing on 9 December 1848
and arriving at Tripoli on 19 January 1849. She carried Daniel Smith
McCauley and his family to Egypt. McCauley's wife gave birth en route to
a son, who was named "Constitution Stewart McCauley". At Gaeta on 1
August she received onboard King Ferdinand II and Pope Pius IX, giving
them a 21-gun salute. This was the first time a Pope set foot on
American territory or its equivalent. At Palermo on 1 September, Captain
Gwinn died of chronic gastritis and was buried near Lazaretto on the
9th. Captain Thomas Conover assumed command on the 18th and resumed
routine patrolling for the rest of the tour. Heading home on 1 December
1850, she was involved in a severe collision with the English brig
Confidence, which sank with the loss of her captain. The surviving
crewmembers were carried back to America, where the Constitution was
placed in ordinary at the Brooklyn Navy Yard in January 1851.[163]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Constitution#Around_the_world
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I wonder what the Jamestown is doing in Spezia Italy? The American
steamer Alleghany is there too. Are they looking for U.S. slave traders
in the Mediterranean?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_092_0.jpg
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Here's a transcription of the log of the USS Constitition in which is recorded her encounter with the Jamesown (Dec. 1848)
http://www.captainsclerk.info/shiplogs/log15.html
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Those have to be the skimpiest transcriptions anywhere. They don't even give the ship's location!
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Yes, it's just the interesting highlights. I note that flogging was as frequent on the Constitution as on the Jamestown.
I
also am learning that the US had a considerable presence in the
Mediterranean at that time. They even had a commodore for that region,
who's death is noted in the Jamestown logs. I think the Jamestown went
to Genoa for repairs. They were caulking for over a week. There were
several US supply ships present.
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The shores of Tripoli my friend. There was trouble with the Barbary pirates thru 1830.
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Thanks, Kathy. I had heard the name but I wasn't aware of the
significance of Tripoli and I had no idea where the Barbary coast was
(that must be an English rendition of "Berber"). However, the Jamestown
was supposed to be patrolling off west Africa for slave ships and this
was 3 decades after the Barbary wars. ???
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One thing I forget is that the slave trade was a two way street in
North Africa. According to Wiki, over a million Europeans were
inslaved up thru the end of the 1800s. So, I think the US had
ships in the region for both reasons (under the once bitten, twice shy
theory with regard to the pirates). For the life of me, I can't remember
when the US banned the importation of slaves.
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As President, on March 2, 1807, Jefferson signed the Act Prohibiting
Importation of Slaves and it took effect in 1808, which was the
earliest allowed under the Constitution. In 1820 he privately supported
the Missouri Compromise, believing it would help to end slavery.[27][29]
He left the anti-slavery struggle to younger men after that.[30]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolitionist#Abolition_in_the_North
However, it wasn't until the 1840s that it did any serious prevention.
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Mention of Jefferson reminds me of an article I read about him in Smithsonian magazine:
The Dark Side of Thomas Jefferson (http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/The-Little-Known-Dark-Side-of-Thomas-Jefferson-169780996.html#ixzz2bTp2CuH2)
A new portrait of the founding father challenges the long-held perception of Thomas Jefferson as a benevolent slaveholder
Asterix - I also read about Lapham?s Quarterly recently in Smithsonian magazine ;D
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/Lewis-Laphams-Antidote-to-the-Age-of-Buzzfeed-174943751.html
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In the Mediterranean, I found Slavery in the Ottoman Empire
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Ottoman_Empire#Decline_and_suppression_of_Ottoman_slavery)
in Wiki. The dating and specifics are very vague, but it gives a
timeline for some kind of active slavery.
Due
to European intervention during the 19th century, the Empire began to
attempt to curtail the slave trade, which had been considered legally
valid under Ottoman law since the beginning of the empire. One of the
important campaigns against Ottoman slavery and slave trade was
conducted in the Caucasus by the Russian authorities [31]
A
series of legal acts was issued that limited the slavery of white people
initially and of those of all races and religions later. In 1830, a
firman of Sultan Mahmud II gave freedom to white slaves. This category
included the Circassians, who had the custom of selling their own
children, enslaved Greeks who had revolted against the Empire in 1821,
and some others. Another firman abolishing the trade of Circassian
children was issued in October, 1854. A firman to the Pasha of Egypt was
issued in 1857 and an order to the viziers of various local authorities
in the Near East, such as the Balkans and Cyprus, in 1858, prohibited
the trade of black slaves but did not order the liberation of those
already enslaved.
However, slavery and the slave trade in Ottoman
Empire continued for decades, as legal texts like the above were not
backed by a penalty system. It was not until 1871 that a circular of
July 20th of that year introduced the penalty of one years imprisonment
for those who practiced the slave trade.
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Mention of Jefferson reminds me of an article I read about him in Smithsonian magazine:
The Dark Side of Thomas Jefferson (http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/The-Little-Known-Dark-Side-of-Thomas-Jefferson-169780996.html#ixzz2bTp2CuH2)
A new portrait of the founding father challenges the long-held perception of Thomas Jefferson as a benevolent slaveholder
What
a terribly sad and cruel story! Fortunately, we have Washington,
Lincoln and many other Americans as good moral examples - not to mention
the many unsung, heroic women. I read another important article
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/08/201388151721676330.html
about the enormous greed for another black "product", oil. (Don't be
put off by the Aljazeera source). It shows how renewable energy will
likely come in a very distant second in the extremely lucrative "Third
Carbon Era". I can't help thinking that human greed will be the ultimate
downfall of civilization.
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I remember a picture of the Exxon Valdez (later Exxon Mediterranean) with a caption along the lines of
"His driving didn't do this. Ours did."
I don't agree 100%, but it is a VERY good point.
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I remember a picture of the Exxon Valdez (later Exxon Mediterranean) with a caption along the lines of
"His driving didn't do this. Ours did."
I don't agree 100%, but it is a VERY good point.
I
definitely see it as shared responsibility. We asked him to drive
a vehicle containing environmental poison, and he did a flat-out lousy
job while at the wheel.
...
I
read another important article
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/08/201388151721676330.html
about the enormous greed for another black "product", oil. (Don't be
put off by the Aljazeera source). It shows how renewable energy will
likely come in a very distant second in the extremely lucrative "Third
Carbon Era". I can't help thinking that human greed will be the ultimate
downfall of civilization.
I
am extremely frustrated at everyone's refusal to invest in any
alternative energy because it won't be the magic trick that fills all
our needs by itself. It makes investing in enough different
methods near impossible.
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I remember a picture of the Exxon Valdez (later Exxon Mediterranean) with a caption along the lines of
"His driving didn't do this. Ours did."
I don't agree 100%, but it is a VERY good point.
I
definitely see it as shared responsibility. We asked him to drive
a vehicle containing environmental poison, and he did a flat-out lousy
job while at the wheel.
I agree with you.
I think the caption was more for effect than to be taken strictly literally.
The point was to draw attention to that fact that if "we" didn't consume huge amounts of gas he wouldn't have been driving.
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I wonder what the old world countries thought of getting that
particular unlucky vessel and it's employer now driving around in their
ports.
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The port in a state of Blockade by the Neapolitan Squadron
29/04/1849 Palermo
The
Jamestown has been anchored in the harbor for several weeks by this
date. The blockade began a few days earlier but it doesn't seem to have
prevented foreign ships from entering and leaving the harbour.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_140_0.jpg
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_142_1.jpg
03/05/1849 The situation in Palermo is getting dangerous and ships are leaving the harbour.
08/05/1849
From
8 AM to Meridian The Sicilian and Neapolitan Troops engaged about 9 AM
in the Plain, South of the City, and were still fighting at Meridian. A
steamer of the Blockading Squadron lay close enough in shore, to
participate somewhat in the action, while the rest of the Fleet, 2
Frigates, 8 Steamers and 3 Transport Brigs, lay to in the offing, five
miles distant.
Meridian to 4 PM The Sicilian Barque "Julia"
shifted her Berth, with assistance from this Ship. The Fight was hot up
to 3 PM. At 4 the Firing had almost ceased. None of the Squadron were
engaged.
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:-\
http://www.ohio.edu/chastain/rz/twosicil.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicilian_revolution_of_1848
http://biography.edigg.com/Giuseppe_Garibaldi.shtml
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This is why the Jamestown was in Italy - it had nothing to do with slave ships.
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12/05/1849 Palermo
The Neapolitan Fleet off the Harbour, the Sicillian Falg was hauled down on shore and the white one hoisted instead
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_146_1.jpg
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15/05/1849 Palermo
The
Neapolitan squadron of three Frigates, Ten steamers, one Ketch, Seven
Gun Boats, and four Transports, hove too within a mile of the Forts, The
Neapolitan Army marching from "Bagand" along the road to the
entrenchments, White flags flying upon the Castle, and Forts
This ends the battle.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_148_0.jpg
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Utterly amazing!! None of my history teachers ever said
anything about all of Europe going up in revolt in 1848, or of the
Kingdom of the Two Sicilies. Wonderful and frightening
reading. Thanks.
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At 9 opened the Gun deck Hatches, found 162 Dead rats.
This was the result of smoking the ship the previous day.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_158_1.jpg
oops, not finished yet:
found up to this time 208 Rats and 6 Cats in the Hold
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At 9 opened the Gun deck Hatches, found 162 Dead rats.
This was the result of smoking the ship the previous day.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_158_1.jpg
oops, not finished yet:
found up to this time 208 Rats and 6 Cats in the Hold
They really should have saved the cats before smoking. :P
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I suppose it was too hard to catch them. They would have needed Caro on board for that job. ;D
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Utterly amazing!! None of my history teachers ever said anything about all of Europe going up in revolt in 1848.....
:o :o :o
And France 1830?
or of the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies.
That's
more obscure unless you're Italian, I guess. However, the Italian
unification - and the steamrolling of the Two Sicilies in the process -
is an interesting topic. I've re-played this in Paradox' Victoria II. I
took control of the Two Sicilies, and got almost instantly stomped into
the ground by Sardinia-Piedmont and the French. I hate it when
this happens! ;D ;D ;D
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You seem to have come out of it unscathed, Clewi ;D
I think
there was a whole rash of revolutions across Europe about this time.
This was pointed out by someone recently to put the "Arab Spring" into
perspective. Most of the circa 1850s revolution countries eventually
reverted to monarchies and it took another 2 or 3 generations before
democracy took hold for good.
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The Jamestown consistently logs both Observed and DR lat/longs at noon. Is there any point in capturing both?
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You seem to have come out of it unscathed, Clewi ;D
My ego took a few dents and scratches. ;)
I
think there was a whole rash of revolutions across Europe about this
time. This was pointed out by someone recently to put the "Arab Spring"
into perspective. Most of the circa 1850s revolution countries
eventually reverted to monarchies and it took another 2 or 3 generations
before democracy took hold for good.
Plus two World Wars. The aftermath of the Restauration of 1815 ff, I think.
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The Jamestown consistently logs both Observed and DR lat/longs at noon. Is there any point in capturing both?
The noon observed are what Philip really wants.
What we really want is the best noon position - any other positions are just gravy.
So I think we should tell people that: please enter at least one position - in order of desirability:
Noon Obs
Noon DR
Other time obs
Other time DR
Port name
Place or landmark name
At
least one of these if possible from every page. (We want both lat and
lon, best of each) If they want to enter more that's useful, but not
vital.
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Thanks, Randi. Noon Observed it is 8)
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I was confused about the 4-8 AM wind force till I found this:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3458.msg56129#msg56129
light baffling airs ;)
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At least we know they are using official terminology but too bad
they don't define the terms. I see, for example, that they have
"pleasant weather", which is the most common weather description where
the Jamestown has been. They will write "pleasant but cloudy" or
"Pleasant with passing clouds" so one might assume that pleasant alone
implies clear, but it's not clear ;D
Also, I have been
putting "squally" in the weather code box but it should really be in the
wind force, I think. Similarly, calm and light airs describes wind
force but if I put them there the wind direction box will be blank
unless Philip takes the information from wind force, which he probably
won't on the first pass, at least.
After having done a lot more
pages I am pretty sure that most often, "pleasant" means sunny. An
indication of this is here
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol005of067/vol005of067_022_0.jpg.
You can see that during daylight he puts pleasant but at midnight he
puts clear.
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...
Also,
I have been putting "squally" in the weather code box but it should
really be in the wind force, I think. Similarly, calm and light airs
describes wind force but if I put them there the wind direction box will
be blank unless Philip takes the information from wind force, which he
probably won't on the first pass, at least.
I
debated it briefly myself, but I put "squally" in the weather code box
because the Beaufort Code has "q" for "squally". With the RN ships I
sometimes saw q in the weather code box, but I never saw "squally" in
the wind force box.
Since the log has a column for wind direction
I never take that from the remarks - unless there are ONLY remarks. I
don't mind adding to the table, but I hesitate to "overwrite" it. :-\
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I agree. For example, if the Remarks say "Light variable breeze" and
the table has "Sd & Wd" I put "Light variable breeze" in the wind
force and 'Sd & Wd" in the wind direction. But there is no table or
the table has nothing for that hour I put "Var" in the wind direction
and "light breeze" in the wind force.
The log keeper tries his
best to cover the conditions during whole watch so sometimes instead of
"variable" he will write "Sd and Sd & Wd". I would like to know what
Philip does with that. I'll bet he just codes "SW" and gets
on with it. ;D
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I think we should stick with TWYS - transcribe as "N'd & E'd trade".
We'd need to convert that to 'NE' (I think) for scientific use, but that's a problem for post-processing.
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Where in my example did I not TWYS?
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You were asking about
"Sd and Sd & Wd". I would like to know what Philip does with that. I'll bet he just codes "SW"
I
was simply quoting a reply from Philip to an earlier question which
suggests he will indeed probably convert it to SW (or maybe SSW :-\).
;D
No accusations (at least, not at the moment) ;)
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I heard a new name for a wind - "Bora". It comes out of the N or NE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bora_(wind)
The Jamestown is now in Trieste. http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_181_1.jpg
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That log keeper knows his local weather patterns. I'd heard it
used in literature, but didn't know which wind it was.
Thanks. :)
http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wind/The-Bora.htm
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I have to hand it to Capt. Sam Mercer for his excellent log keeping
(at least, for assuring that it is done properly). When at sea there are
2-hourly temperature readings and barometer readings every watch. In
port, there are temp and bar readings every watch, with minor
exceptions. The wind force and weather conditions are very well
described and he even records variations within a watch when necessary.
This is in stark contrast to the early voyages for which the weather
records were sporadic. Too bad they don't measure water temperature
anymore, but given this is 1849 we can't complain. The barometer
readings seem to be more credible now than they first appeared.
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The Jamestown is now in Constantinople (as it was then called) 03/09/1849
The American Consul visited the ship and was saluted with 9 Guns. Blacked the Yards.
Here's a short note on the colour of the yards over the centuries:
http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1607-why-are-yards-painted-black/
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They are beginning to report two temperatures on an irregular basis but they label them both "Ther". See 4 AM and midnight.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol005of067/vol005of067_062_1.jpg
It
has been about 2 years since they stopped recording sea temperature.
Should we assume that the first is air and the second is sea?
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I will ask ;)
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I checked back to see if they had received a new thermometer in the
previous week, but they hadn't. The second temperature is consistently
about 4 to 8 degrees lower than the first. We are in mid-December in
Genoa.
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Philip says he doesn't know but to go ahead with that assumption.
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It's getting very confusing now. When there is only one temperature
reported it is in the mid 40s. But look at Meridian and 4 PM on this
page. The water temp is certainly not 64. I wonder if the high one is
the temperature near the thermometer. There is no consistancy to this.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol005of067/vol005of067_068_0.jpg
I think the best thing is to ignore the high temperature until a reasonable pattern appears - perhaps when we go to sea.
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Very strange!
They have two temperatures three times and one of those times they appear to be reversed.
Yes, it is probably better to ignore it for now.
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Context may eventually provide a clue. For example, early on the
surgeon would often have berth deck and spar deck temperatures recorded -
in which case you might see the relationship between the two switch
morning and evening as the night air cooled faster than the air trapped
below decks and then the reverse after sunrise. That's why we often
started out sleeping on deck in the tropics and then went back to our
racks in the wee hours.
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Wonder what Philip will make of that ;)
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I looked ahead when they went to sea and there was only one
temperature recorded in the table, so it was probably not water temp in
the Remarks. When in port and there are two temps recorded for the same
hour, the lowest one is consistent with single temperature recorded for
other hours during that day. This makes me think that people on
different watches were not consistent in how they recorded the deck
temperature.
So I went back and deleted any entries for the deck
temperature that I had put in the Water column. I could put it in the
Ther Attached column from now on, though. It makes sense that they are
recording the deck temperature now. This is the first time they have
experienced temps in the low 40s and even 30s. Perhaps they didn't think
a temperature adjustment was worth the trouble previously. Or perhaps
the captain chatted with a captain from another ship and learned that an
adjustment is necessary.
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We've made 2 entries for the same hour before, when we knew they
were tucking 2 readings from different intruments into the same
box. We could do that again, matching the consistent temp with all
the other readings and the odd temp by itself. Philip seems to
say he wants both numbers, classed as type according to your best guess.
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I think Kevin's observation is correct, Janet. This one shows it
very well:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol005of067/vol005of067_073_0.jpg
If they are consistant, the one before the pressure is spar deck Dry temp and the second one is berth deck Ther Attached.
4 AM 46
8 AM 44
12 AM 54 48
4 PM 56 44
8 PM 43 53
12 PM 40
So I will record them as such.
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But the previous one makes me doubt it:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol005of067/vol005of067_072_1.jpg
At midnight it would be 48 on the spar deck and 34 on the berth deck! Surely, it must be the opposite.
Of course, this was New Years Day so perhaps they had had a bit too much rum ;D
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There is really no rhyme nor reason to the their temperatures
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol005of067/vol005of067_073_1.jpg
Even the single temperature jumps all over the place in this one. I
think someone must be opening and closing the port hole near the
thermometer.
I think the best solution is to record the
temperature before the pressure as Dry and the one following it as Ther
Attached, no matter how strange it looks. I will leave it for Philip to
figure out.
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Or, since you are in port, just don't worry about the second temperature until it is clear what it represents.
I don't think we should assume that it is thermometer attached since that should always be recorded with the pressure.
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that's fine, Randi. The problem is determining which is the Dry
temperature. As soon as I think I have it figured out I see a counter
example.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol005of067/vol005of067_075_0.jpg
In
this one the outside air temperature is obviously the one following the
pressure ( 4 AM and midnight). I will go with this assumption for a
while and see how it works. If this continues to be more or less
consistent, I will go back and correct the previous ones.
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Switching between temperature positions seems rather strange to me ::) :-\
I wonder if it is worth recording :-\
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I went back and reviewed a number of pages and I think choosing the
temperature following the pressure for Dry gives the most reasonable
results. When there are two, the one preceding the pressure is almost
always higher and the one following the pressure is the most consistent
with the surrounding single temperature readings. I think in cases where
there are inconsistencies the log keeper probably confused the two. (I
noted that he recorded a pressure as 39-point-something at one point.
The "39" was the same as the temperature).
If you agree, I can go back and enter the one preceding the pressure (when there are two) as Ther Attached. It may not necessarily be "attached" but Philip can decide if he wants to use it or ignore it.
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I'd make that nice but optional. You've already done a lot to get things into the right boxes.
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Craig - do you want the link for my ocd avatar? ;D
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It's that bad, is it? :(
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Randi, don't scare off a dedicated perfectionist with labels, he's too good at this project. :)
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Why do you think I am offering it ;D
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Don't worry, I'm a committed OWer. Perfectionist has never been my
one of my attributes, though. I aim for good enough but very
occasionally I overshoot. ;D
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Don't
worry, I'm a committed OWer. Perfectionist has never been my one of my
attributes, though. I aim for good enough but very occasionally I
overshoot. ;D
Aim for the moon. If you miss you'll likely hit a star!! ;)
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In the lat/long he is indicating degrees, minutes and seconds but
also put in periods. Often he only uses periods but he obviously
doesn't use them as decimal points.
When he indicates degrees,
minutes and seconds I record spaces but if it's periods, I put them in.
What would you put for the bottom Longitude?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol005of067/vol005of067_114_1.jpg
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For the last long I would put 22 01 08 W (since there is a " for the W above) and I think by Chrono would make it observed.
The very last line appears to be the current?
Periods
and spaces as separators are treated the same - which is why we need to
convert fractions (3 and 1/2 deg would be transcribed as 3 30)
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I know about fractions but I thought there was a difference between
d/m/s and decimals? I guess if we saw a decimal greater than .60 this
would give it away, but I never have so I assume his decimal and his
d/m/s is the same thing, which as you say, we represent with either
spaces or periods.
I tried to look up help on lat/long to clarify
this but I couldn't find it. We used to have a reference post that
described all this. Sometimes I need a reminder ;D
Strange
that they have the noon readings at the bottom too. I suppose they wrote
it down there first in the order that they measured it and then copied
it to the designated place.
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There is a big difference between d/m/s and decimal degrees. Philip
is assuming that all latitudes and longitudes are entered as d/m/s (or
d/m).
Some log keepers use periods or dashes between numbers rather than spaces.
For
locations I have Type What You See - Yes, but ...
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3191.msg51629#msg51629),
but other info is scattered here and there.
Strange
that they have the noon readings at the bottom too. I suppose they
wrote it down there first in the order that they measured it and then
copied it to the designated place.
Strange, but darned lucky to have more readable writing.
I'm so used to the older Jamestown logs that I only looked at the end ::)
Hope this makes sense ;D
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol005of067/vol005of067_130_0.jpg
Weather at 4 to 8 AM Calms and cats paws
;D
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;D
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sent the Boatswain to drag for our Hodge & Hawkes
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_003_1.jpg (8 AM to Mer - first day)
Antique Adv.card Keokuk Iowa Ia Hodge & Hawkes Colchester Rubber Co.overshoes
found in:http://victoriantradecardsforsale.com/category/uncategorized/page/6/
Somebody lost his overshoes! ;D
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In volume 6 (April 1851) the handwriting is a somewhat peculiar.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_004_0.jpg
Notice
the flourish at the end of certain words. This could mistakenly be
interpreted as the letter "g" in some cases. For example, they referred
to what looked like the "US Steamer Engineerg" in a previous page.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol005of067/vol005of067_130_0.jpg
Weather at 4 to 8 AM Calms and cats paws
;D
Sailed with a bunch of them yesterday! Just enough to move the boat! :D
Check out Def #2 in first listing. Means 'light winds.'
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/cat%27s-paw
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Thanks, Dean. I took a nice picture on the Ottawa River on a calm summer's evening when there were ripples like that.
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"In volume 6 (April 1851) the handwriting is a somewhat peculiar. "
::) That applies to most of Jamestown (1844) ;D
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;D
Well, there was one log book that was very legible. He probably got demoted for that.
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I don't know if I got all this down correctly, but it seems there
was a bit of a disagreement about how the deserters were treated:
26/05/1851
8
AM to mid't. Confined Ina Caudo (OS) in double irons for attempting to
desert in the Dinkey. Ino Simond (Sea) in double irons for reporting
himself as one who intended to desert with Ino Caudo (OS) Signed
Chat Heart
27/05/1851
8 AM to Mer. Ino Simons
(sea) Ino Caudo (OS) were released from confinement by order of Captain
Downing. Herman Engleking (Mos) was transf'd on board from the Marine
Barrack - crew promiscuiously employed - Ina Caudo (OS) & Ino Simons
(Sea) left the ship (without permission of Mid's Thorton then in charge
of the deck "and reported to me as deserted") *
* The appendage to the above remark was made (after having signed them, by request of the Cap. Downing. Signed Chat Heart
Note
by Captain Downing. The Captain commanding the station having informed
me that it was reported to him that off. Heart had refused to sign the
remarks made by the Med. of his watch in relation to the desertion of
Caudo Symonds. That Officer corrected in his own hand writing the above -
he has since appended the note without informing his Commander of it,
which seen below. Signed Cap. S W. Downing
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_013_0.jpg
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I wonder whether 'Chat' is actually 'Chas' short for Charles?
But I don't have my eye in to this writing at all, so I could easily be
wrong ....
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Very elegant writing - but not very readable.
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You have to wonder what the crew was up to, though:
crew promiscuiously employed
;D
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I was discretely ignoring that.
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I am very disappointed that there are no temperatures recorded in
log books 6 and 7 going from June 1851 to May. 1854. Vol.
6 begins with hourly temperatures for both Air and Water but after
a few days there are only pressure readings and only for each watch. Of
course, I skipped through the log books and might have missed some
pages with temps. but if there are any, they aren't done consistently.
This
is Capt. Samuel Downing and his faithful Lieut Chas Deas. (You were
right Helen J, it is "Chas" and it is not "Heart' but 'Deas". At least
the writing improves).
I think we should have them redo the
voyage and get those temperatures! Didn't they understand that these
would be important for our climate models a century and a half later?
And there's no excuse because Jean-Baptiste Joseph Fourier discovered
the principle of the greenhouse effect in 1827. Talk about lack of
foresight! :( :( :(
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Another instance of clarification by Capt. Downing:
* The remark 'confined Francis P. James (OS) in additional confinement
for insolence' needs explanation. Part of the writing being in an
erasure at the in the hand writing of Lieut. Deas - Francis P James was
for obscene language and insubordination and insolence, placed in
solitary confinement by being blindfolded then being there being no
means of confining him in a separate apartment, in my orders. signed S.
W. Downing.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_028_0.jpg
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The log keeper has been entering the cardinal points in the lat/log
only for DR. He draws a line after the lat/longs for the Obs
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_040_0.jpg
Now that we are near the equator it could get confusing. Of course TWYS. Perhaps I should enter the DR as well in these cases?
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Perhaps I should enter the DR as well in these cases?
I think that would be a good idea.
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Good thing I checked back. We have been in the southern hemisphere for about a week!
In some cases this is shown as a negative North
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_041_0.jpg
But in the preceeding page you will see a definite South
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_040_1.jpg
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http://oldweather.org/transcriptions/5225c2d8f277332d58003cbc/edit
Here's
a perfect example of redundant information. If the ship had been in
port there would be a report for each watch with exactly the same
information that is in this table. Philip would have to assume that the
wind direction was the same for each hour between the watches. In other
words, he would assume dittos. So there is no point in me wasting time
entering thousands of redundant dittos with corresponding hours when
this is what Philip will assume anyway in their absence.
Of
course, if there had been blanks then this raises some doubt but there
are very few blanks in the Jamestown's wind direction column. But even
if there were blanks, what else could Philip assume but the wind
direction that was last recorded?
What
we are trying to do here is to extract all the weather information in
the logs. This information then goes into the permanent marine climate
database, and generations of future researchers will use it for all
sorts of purposes. Each researcher will use a different subset of the
observations, and make different assumptions about missing data.
When
we have transcribed observations in the past, we've always left out
information that was of low current priority, and we've always ended up
regretting not entering what we left out. (I'm looking at the moment at
some transcriptions made in the 1950s - onto punched cards - which
left out ship names, data in port, and rounded the positions to the
nearest degree - these omissions made sense then, but they are a
terrible nuisance now).
So for this reason, please transcribe all
the weather observations - even those that look almost useless to us
now. I'm betting that even the dittos will be vital to someone at some
point.
Hi Janet -
Dittos
are not the same as missing values (blank). If they are not entered
reliably across the project then there is a serious risk of getting bad
data where none should be (and this would be bad).
- Kevin
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I do agree, by the way, that our current interface is rather
inefficient for inputting observations that don't change (much) from
hour to hour. (Yet another issue we never thought of when designing it).
If this is going to occur often (probably in early logs) we need to do
something about it.
The solution is not to skip observations,
but to improve the interface. I'm not promising to make a change soon,
because we have to be very careful about changing our operational
system, but I'd be interested in suggestions for how to efficiently
input such observations, without impeding input of ordinary obs. Or
confusing novice users. Any ideas?
Remember also - it's not a race. It's fine to take a break. Maybe try another ship.
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Well, one idea might be to use the Excel "drag" option in which you
copy cells down a column. The display table on the right of the capture
screen could be expanded to include more variables and it would
have to be modified so that we could manipulate it without having to go
back to the weather observations screen (this has been suggested before
by one of our members). Any value that is repeated vertically could be
dragged as far down as necessary. If there are only observations for
each watch then you couldn't drag but it is not much of a burden to type
7 rows per log page. I can imagine this would be tricky to program,
though.
I should add that an empty table, with hours 1 to 24
already inserted, could be present on the screen at the beginning of
each new log page. The columns would correspond to the fields in the
capture screen.
I am not racing, Philip, even though it may sound
like it ;D. I try to keep a steady pace. It would be even more
frustrating to transcribe a "full" table. The Jamestown is only
reporting air pressure and wind direction at the moment, except for
what's in the Remarks. I only get frustrated when I do unnecessary
typing. Being able to enter the ditto was a blessing but even blessing
have their limits. ;D
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Here's the Jamestown page from 14 June 1845:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_100_0.jpg
Can
someone help me interpret the location readings down in the bottom
right? Latitude is marked "Obs'd", but longitude looks like
"Chr"
I recorded it as 2 separate locations: latitude as Observed, and longitude as Dead Reckoning.
Thanks!
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Hi camiller,
You've read it right, that longitude is measured Chr.
It
should stand for Chronometer (which is this item:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_chronometer). The longitude has been
calculated knowing the GMT time and the ship local time. The difference
allows to know the longitude relative to Greenwich and therefore the
real position.
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Thanks, Propriome! That makes so much sense. I thought
it might mean "chart"! Sounds like it should be entered as
an "observed' location then, correct?
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Thanks,
Propriome! That makes so much sense. I thought it might
mean "chart"! Sounds like it should be entered as an
"observed' location then, correct?
Yes. As long as it is measured in some way, it is observed. So, they make a single entry.
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Thanks!
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The UK ships were easy! the US ships really keep us on our toes!
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Interesting. Do you think some of that is b/c the UK ships were all military and the US ships are such a mix?
The UK ships were easy! the US ships really keep us on our toes!
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US ships are both a mix of different services (Navy, Revenue Service
which became Coast Guard, Coast and Geodetic Survey, and Fish
Commission) and a much longer time period 1844-1946 (at a minimum).
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Interesting. Do you think some of that is b/c the UK ships were all military and the US ships are such a mix?
The UK ships were easy! the US ships really keep us on our toes!
Very
much yes, plus other stuff. Any time officers are dealing with an
all-civilian non-commissioned crew, there is a sense of independence
that can't be ignored. Life needs to be looser. Which
applies to the Coast Guard and Fish Commission ships, not the Navy
ships.
But more than that is the log book format and written instructions
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3458.0) for that.
The RN books allowed one very narrow column for comments, and most
definitely didn't include entire prose descriptions of the weather
already measured. Let alone requiring hourly instrument
readings!!
Also involved is the long time span. All
navies evolve changes in how they print and use logbooks over
time. Our RN fleet was confined to a 12 year period within the
same agency, and the printed log formats were identical, with a few
exceptions for merchant ships and trawlers. Here we are seeing a
century of format changes for 4 different agencies.
Interesting times in OW!! ;)
What Randi said. :)
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Makes sense. I really enjoy seeing those 19th century log books.
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They are a blast aren't they!! I love them too. The RN was easier...but the richness of the use of sails is a lot of fun.
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I like the the "pasfing" clouds ;D
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Back to the Jamestown 1844 again. It's just like old times ;D
I
am curious to hear from Philip or Kevin how useful the weather data are
from this ship? We are currently in Rio. There have been no temperature
readings in this log book (Air or otherwise). The pressure readings are
erratic, fluctuating between 29.00 and 29.50 when the weather is
generally "pleasant". The only consistent "usable" information is wind
direction, but always approximate ("Sd & Wd", for example). I am
recording the wind force and weather conditions but Philip will not be
using them. Are log books like this as useful as those for the other
ships on our list, even though it is a time period for which we have
very little weather data? The earlier log books for this ship had
temperature data, at least.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_075_1.jpg
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I'm finally getting to do some transcribing too.
Looks like our log keeper is having some trouble with nautical days ::)
From 6 to 8 P.M moderate breezes & hazy. Inspected the crew at
qrs. A6.45 lost sight of the island of St Nicholas. The N.W.
point bearing pr Compass SbyW 1/2 W. Took in the royals & flying
Jib. At 8 hauled up the Courses & furled the topgallant sails
Sig'd H.J. Hartsteine.
From 8 to meridian light breezes & cloudy.
Sig'd J J B Walbach
From midnight to 4 A.M. light breezes & clear
Sig'd S.E Woodworth
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_096_1.jpg
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They forgot to tell Woodworth ;D
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Walbach
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Yes, Walbach. In more recent log books they abandon sea time, along with flogging.
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We just met the USS Preble
(http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/p11/preble-ii.htm) at Ilha de S?o
Vicente, Cape Verde
(http://www.geographic.org/geographic_names/name.php?uni=-1900841&fid=1506&c=cape_verde).
The Preble saluted the Commander with 13 guns which was returned by us with 7.
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Back to the Jamestown 1844 again. It's just like old times ;D
I
am curious to hear from Philip or Kevin how useful the weather data are
from this ship? We are currently in Rio. There have been no temperature
readings in this log book (Air or otherwise). The pressure readings are
erratic, fluctuating between 29.00 and 29.50 when the weather is
generally "pleasant". The only consistent "usable" information is wind
direction, but always approximate ("Sd & Wd", for example). I am
recording the wind force and weather conditions but Philip will not be
using them. Are log books like this as useful as those for the other
ships on our list, even though it is a time period for which we have
very little weather data? The earlier log books for this ship had
temperature data, at least.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_075_1.jpg
It
appears, insofar as the Jamestown goes, the amount and kind of data
varies rather unpredictably. However, 'useful' can't be defined entirely
by whether one of us is using a particular kind of observation
currently. For example, if there is an event like a hurricane then a few
weather remarks will become interesting to us, and very valuable to
specialists in tropical cyclones. Regular instrumental data do appear
again on the Jamestown but I can't say off hand when exactly.
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From my cursory browsing, it seems that Volume 8 begins to show
temperatures again and pressure readings are also present - but I don't
know how consistently. The instrument data are only recorded for the 7
watches in this book.
I have been recording wind strength from
the remarks so a hurricane would be noticeable. But since this is
optional, probably not everyone will pick it up and Philip says he will
not be using it for now anyway. It took me several months to get to page
49 in Book 6 - and I don't pick up many of the Remarks - certainly not
all the floggings, which would take forever to record. I am just
thinking that if Philip wants to get some useable data in a hurry, given
our limited resources it might be better to start the Jamestown 1844 at
book 8 or later (and add the earlier books at a later time). Of course,
there is considerable interesting material for the historians.
In
any case, Kevin, I think I will jump ship for the time being for this
reason (not to mention the pesky dittos I complained about earlier)
unless you make a strong case for continuing it. (I might come back if
and when the vertical transcription option is implemented). Clewi
stopped transcribing the Jamestown long ago; Randi is moving ahead but
I'm sure she won't be able to resist the floggings ;D For
some reason this ship doesn't have a star rating on the active vessels
page but it is certainly not a good one for beginners.
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Fixing the 4-star icon (Very Challenging for experts only) is on
Stuart's to-do list, it comes up blank. But that is most definitely the
rating given Jamestown (1844).
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No, I would recommend skipping ahead to the Civil War era or even
later when the Jamestown was in Alaska, or perhaps trying the Albatross
or one of the new ships about to come on line.
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At the 8 to midnight note on the page below, does it say "mod breeze and hazy?"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_106_0.jpg
Thanks in advance!
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That's what I think it is, camiller.
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I think, "mod breeze and cloudy" with the 'dy' mostly cut off
by the computer - it looks exactly like 'cloudy' in the 4pm to 8pm
paragraph.
Thank you for being brave to take this one on -
it really is the most difficult, the didn't have standard log formats
that much before the Civil War (US).
Hi, Craig. I admit it is difficult, but I hold with above.
It is "hazy". :-[
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Don't forget that they are on nautical time, Janet. I think you are looking at 8 to meridian (at the bottom).
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At the 8 to midnight note on the page below, does it say "mod breeze and hazy?"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_106_0.jpg
Thanks in advance!
Don't forget that they are on nautical time, Janet. I think you are looking at 8 to meridian (at the bottom).
Craig's right, Carolyn - I read the wrong paragraph. Ouch.
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Ink, the log keeper is using ink !!!
New log keeper too...
Watch out for 7 vs. 9
and J vs. P - and vs. I as well ::)
;)
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Thanks, all! "Hazy" took me by surprise b/c it's the middle of
the day, not too hot, and otherwise cloudy. I forgot to
mention that on that same page at the bottom, there is an entry above
the lat/long that questions the original. I entered it as a
separate location entry, for lat. only and 'typed what I saw.' So,
I officially got to enter a "?" ;D
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The Jamestown's in Madeira now and not using a table for weather
records, apparently. There are weather data written in the
remarks, though:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_108_0.jpg
Should I enter these as weather observations, as in previous cases with winds?
Carolyn
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Thanks,
all! "Hazy" took me by surprise b/c it's the middle of the day,
not too hot, and otherwise cloudy. I forgot to mention that
on that same page at the bottom, there is an entry above the lat/long
that questions the original. I entered it as a separate location
entry, for lat. only and 'typed what I saw.' So, I officially got
to enter a "?" ;D
We
use "~" because that can't be confused with something the log keepers
may actually use for real someplace in the book. It can also be
used in the middle of a word if part of it is legible.
The
Jamestown's in Madeira now and not using a table for weather records,
apparently. There are weather data written in the remarks, though:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_108_0.jpg
Should I enter these as weather observations, as in previous cases with winds?
That is exactly what Craig has been doing. Use the words they use in the correct box. :)
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Thanks, Janet!
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You will find the instrument data very irregular, camiller. They
eventually get a barometer and are quite diligent in recording pressure.
But after that they stop recording temperatures. Then there is a log
book where they hardly record anything. Where I am now they are very
good about recording pressure, as well as wind direction. Wind force and
weather are usually in the remarks. If you read over this thread you
will see my comments on this as I went along. Spoiler alert - you will
see some quotes about the "War of the Two Sicilies"
Philip said
he could not use the remarks data right now because he hasn't time to
put it into code form. But I transcribed it anyway, thinking that if we
don't do it now, it probably will never get captured. The wind force
terminology is quite regular so I think it will be usable. I am not so
sure about the weather descriptions, though. He uses "pleasant" a bit
too freely in my opinion. The words "clear", "passing clouds", "cloudy"
and "rainy" can be directly coded though.
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You
will find the instrument data very irregular, camiller. They eventually
get a barometer and are quite diligent in recording pressure. But after
that they stop recording temperatures. Then there is a log book where
they hardly record anything. Where I am now they are very good about
recording pressure, as well as wind direction. Wind force and weather
are usually in the remarks. If you read over this thread you will see my
comments on this as I went along. Spoiler alert - you will see some
quotes about the "War of the Two Sicilies"
Philip said he could
not use the remarks data right now because he hasn't time to put it into
code form. But I transcribed it anyway, thinking that if we don't do it
now, it probably will never get captured. The wind force terminology is
quite regular so I think it will be usable. I am not so sure about the
weather descriptions, though. He uses "pleasant" a bit too freely in my
opinion. The words "clear", "passing clouds", "cloudy" and "rainy" can
be directly coded though.
Good
to know, Craig. I agree about transcribing the weather
remarks into the "weather observation' tab; hopefully, that make
it easier to use at some point.
Carolyn
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Once it has been digitized, it will act as a bribe to get
climatologists to figure out a way to use it. Left out entirely,
going back after it would feel like way too much work for your average
already over-worked climatologist. ;)
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Regarding the "(32 00 ?)" on http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_106_0.jpg
See http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3404.msg55002#msg55002
:-\
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First, it's not red. It looks to be the same ink in a
different handwriting. After-the-fact editors seem to try to make
their notations easy to differentiate.
Second, the corrected location is consistent with the previous day
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_105_0.jpg
and their destination, Funchal (lat 32.6431 at the modern harbor.)
I
think it is a contemporary correction to a copy error. The only
question in my mind - and I don't know the answer - is whether you put
in both or just the corrected data.
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Since the original reading is not crossed out, I think it should be transcribed :-\
I agree that it is incorrect.
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Then we should do both. :)
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You
will find the instrument data very irregular, camiller. They eventually
get a barometer and are quite diligent in recording pressure. But after
that they stop recording temperatures. Then there is a log book where
they hardly record anything. Where I am now they are very good about
recording pressure, as well as wind direction. Wind force and weather
are usually in the remarks. If you read over this thread you will see my
comments on this as I went along. Spoiler alert - you will see some
quotes about the "War of the Two Sicilies"
Philip said he could
not use the remarks data right now because he hasn't time to put it into
code form. But I transcribed it anyway, thinking that if we don't do it
now, it probably will never get captured. The wind force terminology is
quite regular so I think it will be usable. I am not so sure about the
weather descriptions, though. He uses "pleasant" a bit too freely in my
opinion. The words "clear", "passing clouds", "cloudy" and "rainy" can
be directly coded though.
The barometer arrives!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_109_1.jpg
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They are very zealous in the beginning. I wished I had been
there to encourage them to keep on recording, especially when they
ditched the thermometers. ;D
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_110_1.jpg
Several other Apprentice Boys:
Viz. Daniel Bishop What does Viz. mean?
Rich'd Johnson
G T Hill or is it G J Hill?
Tho's Jones
and
Ja's E Land We know his middle initial now!
Carolyn, we are not old fashioned enough. I didn't know 'viz' either and had to google it. It is not part of a name.
Rich'd,
Tho's and Ja's, with and without the apostrophes, are the 18th century
common abbreviations for the first names Richard, Thomas and
James. And the second initial in "G.T." looks identical to the 'T'
in Tho's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viz. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viz.)
Viz.
(also rendered viz without a period) and the adverb videlicet are used
as synonyms for "namely", "that is to say", and "as follows".
...
Viz.
is an abbreviation of videlicet, which itself is a contraction from
Latin of "videre licet" meaning "it is permitted to see"...
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Thanks, Janet and Craig!
I'll have to edit that entry :(
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Perhaps this has been discussed and I missed it, and it's extraneous
to transcribing: Why are the fathoms recorded while at sea always
less than 10 (in my pages, anyway)?
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Fathoms is a length measure, used by navies to measure both line
lengths and water depth, being exactly 6 feet long. What context
is the log keeper using it in?
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This is a special case.
See A treatise on navigation and
nautical astronomy:
http://books.google.fr/books?id=pnEDAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA28&dq=fathom+knot+tenth&hl=en&sa=X&ei=n5KiULbgE6ea1AWUiIGIDA&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false
(pages 27 and 28).
AND http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3513.msg65952#msg65952
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I see I'm repeating earlier discussions! This makes so much more
sense than the ship's never being in water deeper than 60 feet while in
the open ocean! :)
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Here
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol056of067/vol056of067_046_0.jpg)
you can see a log page that has knots and fathoms printed with fathoms
struck out and tenths written in.
But, as noted above, in 1884 and 1866 it seems to knots and eighths.
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8)
Here
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol056of067/vol056of067_046_0.jpg)
you can see a log page that has knots and fathoms printed with fathoms
struck out and tenths written in.
But, as noted above, in 1884 and 1866 it seems to knots and eighths.
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On August 11, 1845, in Porto Grande:
"At meridian commenced
firing 21 minute guns as a tribute of respect to the memory of Andrew
Jackson (Dec'd) Ex President of the United States."
Jackson had died June 8, 1845
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_129_0.jpg
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camiller passes the 500 mark!
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Mentions of Jamestown + Yorktown:
Voyage to a Thousand Cares: Master's Mate Lawrence with the African Squadron, 1844-1846
(http://books.google.fr/books?id=eU3SH0XvFYoC&pg=PA215&lpg=PA215&dq=yorktown+august+1845+africa&source=bl&ots=fe0NX55DTO&sig=f0fjRC1n6BvB3sMn5BebLcY1LLY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=WtxsUrfTEMea0AWG3IHADQ&ved=0CD0Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=yorktown%20august%201845%20africa&f=false)
This is not "our" Yorktown, it is an earlier one:
Yorktown (http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/y1/yorktown-i.htm)
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You caught that before, Randi ;)
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3513.msg71193;topicseen#msg71193
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I know, but this is different info ;) ;D
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I should have guessed. That will teach me for not reading the fine print ;D
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Great find, Randi! I've seen the earlier-than-OW-"Yorktown"
mentioned in the "Jamestown's" log. The author's preface and
acknowledgement make very interesting reading, especially with respect
to our OW transcription rules.
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29 August, 184[5]:
"Sent on board the "Preble" a broken Barometer to be returned to the United States."
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_138_0.jpg
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Great
find, Randi! I've seen the earlier-than-OW-"Yorktown" mentioned
in the "Jamestown's" log. The author's preface and acknowledgement
make very interesting reading, especially with respect to our OW
transcription rules.
What is in that preface for rules very nearly equals our editing
rules. We do that on a different (hidden) board so that newbies
who just come here as lurkers won't accidentally read the wrong
rules. Everyone here with the title of "Ship history editors"
above their avatar is involved - it is a second function of the project,
Citizen History not Citizen Science, that is publicly known but
requires status upgrade to see. See EDITING THE SHIP HISTORIES
(http://www.naval-history.net/OWShips-LogBooksWW1EDITGUIDE.htm) on
Gordon's site. He is our historian-in-chief. Some of the few
completed American ships are also being edited.
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8)
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And the background info we can't add to the transcriptions but can add here will be very useful!
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Nice to get more of 'inside look' into what happens with this
information besides the science, Janet and Randi :) I
liked Gillilands' acknowledgement to the original "transcriber"
who had typed out the log, and the mention of the "Preble," which I just
encountered in "Jamestown's" log.
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How do you get to read the preface? It is not available when I browse the book.
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How do you see that?
I get some pages, but I go from Contents to page 44 with "Some pages are omitted from this book preview" in between.
Aha! You make me feel better, Craig!
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How do you get to read the preface? It is not available when I browse the book.
I went to the link given above in Randi's post.
I clicked "clear search" to stop confusing myself.
I clicked on the picture to get the cover as page 1.
I used the forward arrows to walk myself to the Table of Contents, and there clicked Preface.
I know it won't let me read the whole book, but it gave me that much.
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???
Front cover
click arrow -> copyright info click arrow -> Contents click arrow -> page 44
Preface is not click-able in the Contents
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Then different people get different sample pages. Why isn't everything easy and simple? [Sigh]
This is the same link, with search set for "Preface"
http://books.google.fr/books?id=eU3SH0XvFYoC&pg=PA215&lpg=PA215&dq=yorktown+august+1845+africa&source=bl&ots=fe0NX55DTO&sig=f0fjRC1n6BvB3sMn5BebLcY1LLY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=WtxsUrfTEMea0AWG3IHADQ&ved=0CD0Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Preface&f=false
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I get different sample pages depending on what I search for.
With your link, and
if I search for "preface" with my link, I get five results. Page
vii, the table of contents, I can see entirely. The other four only show
a couple of sentences.
From Carolyn's comments I have the impression that she has been reading whole pages.
Nice
to get more of 'inside look' into what happens with this information
besides the science, Janet and Randi :) I liked
Gillilands' acknowledgement to the original "transcriber" who had typed
out the log, and the mention of the "Preble," which I just encountered
in "Jamestown's" log.
I do not see this acknowledgement.
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After it opens all of page vii for me, I abandon the search
process and go up to the next page arrow.That arrow works for me for the
whole Preface and the start of chapter 1. (She puts her cleaned
up, edited log fragment in italics, and then adds all her notes and
background material.) Since this is a limited sample, there are no
promises.
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:P
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I can see whole pages. This is what I do:
Click on Randi's link;
go over to the little picture of the book's cover to the left of the enlarged page;
click on that;
scroll down to see whole pages, including a Table of Contents that is linked to the chapters.
skip around the book with the arrows and search tabs at the top, right.
I've only looked at a few pages, but I think the "omitted pages" are blank.
How
cool to see a more fleshed out, relatively contemporaneous description
of what's in the Jamestown's logs! I'll have to read more.
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:o ??? >:(
Starting from the book's front cover and scrolling down or using the arrows gives me the attached :P
If I do searches, I can get snippets from pages between the contents and page 44.
I wonder if it is different if you are in the US?
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You might be right, Randi. When I get to the ToC, every section is linked (ie - in blue).
The
picture is getting more complicated from my end now, though - I can
scroll down and see complete pages to Page 24,but after that I get a
blank page and the message that I've reached an unavailable page or
reached my viewing limits for that book! I can jump to some chapters,
but can only scroll down a couple pages before getting the same
message. And some sections are off limits all together
(bibliography).
Oh well, it's good to know about this book. Thanks for posting the link.
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:o ??? :o ??? ;D
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We meet the store ship USS Southampton
http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/s15/southampton.htm
And a bunch of people get punished - names added to http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3512.msg67819#msg67819
Moses Toppan and Thomas Hines are in trouble again :o
At 10
inspected the crew at quarters. Read the Articles of War + mustered the crew_ At 11
called all hands to witness punishment + flogged the following
men - Viz. with 12 lashes of the cats each Cha's S Burrett (O.S.) for
disrespect + gross abuse of an officer + the service. Moses Toppan
(Sea) for being drunk on duty + smuggling liquor. Wm Wilson for
threatening to strike Mr. Allmand and refusing to go on
board ship after breaking his liberty three days. John Brown 1'st
(sea) for abusing a sentry on post + striking him after being relieved.
Coleman Stevenson (O.S) for breaking his liberty + abusing the American
Consul at Palmas + drawing his knife on him. James Baxter (OS) for
abusing + striking Rich'd Taylor threatening him after being confined +
abusing the sentinel at different times. Thomas Hines (Sea) sealing
whiskey insolent + mutinous conduct to the commanding officer of the
U.S.Store Ship "Southampton". John M Michaels being drunk on duty
Joseph Fletcher (Lands) abusing a sentinel on post.
Interesting
to see that "abusing the American Consul at Palmas + drawing his knife
on him" and "abusing a sentinel on post" get the same punishment ::)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_140_0.jpg
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:o And the day begins and ends so placidly "Sailmakers
employed making new top foresail for the Yorktown!" I like that
weather data, squeezed in at the very end ;D
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Yet another variation on recording pressure at 4 - 8 AM!
Normally I've been transcribing pressure w/ decimal points, but
transcribed this one as "29o 98'/100" because it's so unusual (I hope!).
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_143_1.jpg
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I had one of those too, but I transcribed it as
29 98/100
and asked Philip for confirmation.
In the past he did not want the 'o' and the ''' - http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3944.msg75520#msg75520
I only type a decimal point if the log keeper has included it.
As in 8 to meridian here http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_143_0.jpg
29.99/100
::)
This should be good training for Philip for the whaler logs that we will be getting ;D
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8 Sept 1845 - Porto Grande, Cape Verde
At 11 the Commodore visited the English frigate "Calliope" + was saluted with 9 guns which was returned.
Probably http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Calliope_%281837%29
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Nice link! How did you transcribe the name of that Portuguese vessel?
Maybe
I will switch to a space for the non-existent decimal in the pressure
readings. I just couldn't resist the degrees-minutes notation
mixed with a fraction based on an invisible decimal point!
And
whalers will be added? Can't wait for that. BTW, will USAT ships
that sailed in Alaska during WW2 be scanned? My dad
sailed between Seattle and Alaska then.
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I'll get back to you tomorrow ;)
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Do you have ship names to look up, Carolyn? The
currently-known-possible ships are listed on Gordon's history index,
with histories linked to many ship names.
http://www.naval-history.net/OWShips-USAShipsIndex.htm
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I do, but filed away. I'll dig out the info and take a look. Thanks!
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The Navy has this online: The Aleutians Campaign: Combat Narratives (http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/aleutians_campaign.htm)
Since
it was written at the time as an official report, it has much more
detail than usual for our side, but was generated before solid detail on
the enemy side had been gathered. The do mention the presence
during action of the Army transports President Fillmore, Morlen, North
Coast, and Delarof - none of whom are on Gordon's short list - and
various merchant vessels. Just use your browser search on the
text.
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Nice link! How did you transcribe the name of that Portuguese vessel?
I took the easy way out and did "Portuguese" Big of War "Vouga" (though I didn't manage to do it with a straight face ;)) Earlier it was called Portuguese Man of War Brig "Vouga".
I couldn't find that one, but I did find some more recent destroyers by
that name http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/portuguese_navy.htm.
They seem to use the names of rivers.
And
whalers will be added? Can't wait for that. BTW, will USAT ships
that sailed in Alaska during WW2 be scanned? My dad
sailed between Seattle and Alaska then.
Whalers
and a couple of ships with typed logs were supposed to be "soon" ::). I
suspect that Arfon's departure didn't help matters. I don't know of any
USAT ships (however, I don't know that much about forthcoming ships),
but Charleston has escorted USAT ships.
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I suspect, since we are having our logs chosen by NOAA and an
archivist with a naval specialty, that no one even looked at the Army
owned ships. But without question, it's very possible some of our
ships may be escorting them or sharing a harbor with them.
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My father never talked of seeing combat. He did talk about
being in convoys in the Atlantic; and the fear they felt when they left a
convoy (something along the lines of "all alone, with one little gun on
our bow").
Speaking of guns, and back to the Jamestown:
Sept. 13, 1845, while in harbor, without any context:
"Fired two shells and a round shot."
Is this target practice? The next day, they also mention bringing the ship around to be broadside to the target
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_145_0.jpg
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It sounds like it.
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It looks like some of our officers joined the Confederate side. See
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3512.msg67819#msg67819 for
more details.
Going South: U.S. Navy Officer Resignations &
Dismissals On the Eve of the Civil War
(http://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/g/going-south-u-s-navy-officer-resignations-dismissals-on-the-eve-of-the-civil-war.html)
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Very interesting find! Thanks.
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According to Wikipedia's African Squadron page, the Jamestown should
be capturing it's only 2 vessels "soon". I'm transcribing late
November, 1845, and the ships are captured Dec 3 and Jan 15.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa_Squadron
I'll
post the urls if I transcribe those pages. If I don't, is there a
way to read pages transcribed by others now, or will we have access at
the end of the project like with the RN ships (if memory serves me....)?
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How to look at log pages before and after the one you are working on
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3489.msg62863#msg62863) ;)
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:) I forgot about that option! thanks.
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Yes, when the ship is done you will be able to look at all pages.
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Ironclad Captain: Seth Ledyard Phelps & the U.S. Navy, 1841-1864
(http://books.google.fr/books?id=F7upmCqjOxQC&pg=PA42&dq=Chipman+jamestown&hl=en&sa=X&ei=uq-UUuRX5b3KA9rYgKgK&ved=0CFEQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=jamestown&f=false)
Talks quite a bit about life on the Jamestown - and less than flatteringly about the anti-slavery effort.
Discipline
here:
http://books.google.fr/books?id=F7upmCqjOxQC&pg=PA42&dq=Chipman+jamestown&hl=en&sa=X&ei=uq-UUuRX5b3KA9rYgKgK&ved=0CFEQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=seaman%20butler&f=false
Also
The African Repository, Volume 22
(http://books.google.fr/books?id=Fx4SAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA184&dq=Chipman+jamestown+phelps&hl=en&sa=X&ei=VK-UUr2mF4WxywO8pICICw&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Chipman%20jamestown%20phelps&f=false)
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Dec. 3, 1845, Sierra Leone. The Jamestown finally captures a slave ship, the American Merchant Schooner "Merchant":
"Received
on board Charles Morrell late mate of the American Schooner Merchant
delivered out of prison by Gov. Ferguson, upon the requisition of
Commodore Skinner."
"Acting Master Isaac N. Morris and Midshipman W'm. R. Thomas left the ship with the following men viz, James Robinson, (O.S.) W'm Jameson (Sea), Thomas Hines (Sea), Jno McMichael (Sea), Lorenzo D Fish (Lds) and Thomas Keeler (O.S.) to take charge of the American Merchant Schooner "Merchant". Passed Midshipman J. C. Beaumont
reported for duty as Acting Master. Sent on board the Schooner Merchant
the following articles viz 6 cutlasses, 2 prs pistols, 2 powder flasks
& 2 lbs priming powder, 36 pistol balls and 6 - Pistol flints."
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_191_0.jpg
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I found the followup on that event.
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030213/1846-02-02/ed-1/seq-2/
New-York daily tribune., February 02, 1846, Image 2
About New-York daily tribune. (New-York [N.Y.]) 1842-1866
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-2VQgqPKQzIo/Upq9MUz0yYI/AAAAAAAACmg/aHeHY6C3rJo/w419-h505-no/slaver+Merchant+1.GIF)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-PoCcAaB28Jo/Upq9MkvKEPI/AAAAAAAACmc/m0M9o_KCy_A/w427-h385-no/slaver+Merchant+2.GIF)
This came up later, only I found it first. Apparently "Merchant" was a repeat offender.
The Caledonian., April 04, 1846, Image 3
About The Caledonian. (St. Johnsbury, Vt.) 1837-1867
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn84023252/1846-04-04/ed-1/seq-3/#
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-rGbzV0L5oZk/Upq10y7-uPI/AAAAAAAAClk/fRApKBgPTVY/w702-h505-no/Yorktown+slaver+convicted.png)
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Yes, so cool! That first article explains the connection between that prisoner and the taking of the Merchant.
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camiller passes the 1000 mark!
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:)
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_186_0.jpg
26 November 1845 USS Marion joins African Squadron.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Marion_%281839%29
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_189_0.jpg
29 November 1845 At 4. H.B.M. Brig "Sea Lark" in sight on lee beam.
http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/S/04192.html
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Great note about the Sea Lark!
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The logkeeper did something I'll be doing in a few weeks - recorded the wrong year!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_210_1.jpg
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Welcome back!
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Glad to be back, after a week of holiday travels!
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Can anyone make out the scribbles after "Lat" at the bottom? I
recorded the location as "observed", but there's no specific
mention of the method. Is this OK? Thanks!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_211_0.jpg
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:P
It looks like D16 - written over something else. I can't read the 16 as an R, but maybe
it was written over an R? It makes no sense to me. On the other hand,
the ditto for long seems to indicate that it does apply to position.
This
is a case of "best guess". I think observed and DR are both correct in
this case. I would lean to observed because I have never seen a position
given as DR in this log.
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Thanks. You're seeing more than I am!
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Beginning Jan. 15, 1846, Porto Praya, the Jamestown captures its 2nd, and last, slaver:
"At 6.20 dispatched Lieut Chip-man to the American Schooner "Robert Wilson", took possession of her and placed a guard on board"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_212_1.jpg
Jan. 17:
"At 2 sent a boat and removed the guard of Marines from the Schooner "Robert Wilson"."
"Rec'd
from the Amer'n Schooner "Robert Wilson", James Hill, and from the
Amer-ican Consul, James Griffin, a deserter from the U. S. Steamer "Col.
Harney"."
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_213_1.jpg
About the Harney: http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/c11/colonel_harney.htm
Jan. 31 after several days in port sending Jamestown crew to the Robert Wilson to get it ready for sea:
"At
11.20 the American Schooner "Robt Wilson" went to sea. At 11.50 got
underway and stood to sea in chase of the "Robt Wilson"."
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_220_1.jpg
Feb. 1:
"At 1 fired a gun as a signal to the Robt. Wilson to heave to."
"Hove
to and sent a boat on board the Robt. Wilson. Lieut H. L. Chipman
and Mid'n S. Phelps to take charge of her, Transferred to her as crew,
James Beddinger (Sea), Francis Mellen (Sea) John Williams (Sea) Jas
Robinson (O.Sea) Jno Pauline (Sea) Alex Kinnier (O. Sea) Karl. F. Shultz
(Mar) Ferd'n Eckstein (Mar). Returned to her James Griffin (2d
Mate) _ Sent as Passengers to the U.S. G. W. Rush, James Hamilton,
Jos. P Morris & Jno Shute At 3.10 the Schooner gave three
cheers,_ returned them. Filled away and stood up for Porto Praya."
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_221_0.jpg
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http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3512.msg77815#msg77815
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Thanks for reposting! I see the "capture" continues and will update my post.
As
always, thanks to you and the others on the forum who have the know-how
and energy to provide such great background information about the logs.
I
tried to find info about the "Robert Wilson", but was
unsuccessful. The search did turn up a Great Lakes captain
of the same name (and time) who helped slaves escape:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Wilson_%28ship_captain%29
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Thank YOU.
He sounds like a wonderful person.
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Randi reaches the 1500 mark!
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ShipIndex list the schooner, with no other info available free as usual.
Robert Wilson (Schooner; 1824, Campobello)
Apparently built in New Brunswick, Canada.
As to newspapers, Polynesian., August 29, 1846, Page 60, Image 2, Honolulu [Oahu], Hawaii
(http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn82015408/1846-08-29/ed-1/seq-2/#date1=1836&index=4&rows=20&words=Robert+Wilson&searchType=basic&sequence=0&state=&date2=1848&proxtext=%22Robert+Wilson%22&y=11&x=10&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=1)
The
National Archives online collection of pre-1923 newspapers
(http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/) is wonderful and easy to search.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-XywSEgxluyc/Ur2lmA88-zI/AAAAAAAACw8/kef2BfBLYlE/w402-h359-no/Jamestown-Yorktown+1846+news+1.GIF)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-xZduNBUctCU/Ur2lmMbet3I/AAAAAAAACxA/Stc2Igl9O-4/w406-h402-no/Jamestown-Yorktown+1846+news+2.GIF)
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As
always, thanks to you and the others on the forum who have the know-how
and energy to provide such great background information about the logs.
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Can someone help me out with that last word below, please?
I've transcribed it as 'brig', but the log (prev. day) mentions that the
coopers are attending to beef and pork on shore, so maybe it's
beef? I'd probably go with 'beef' except for the dot above the
word. Thanks
"Sent the Coopers to the Custom House to overhaul the Brig."
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_227_0.jpg
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8AM to Meridian
I see
Portuguese Brig
and
overhaul the Beef
So, for Commences I would say Beef + an accident - it is larger than the dots on most i's ;)
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"Overhaul the Beef" it is! This is one of the weirder comments I've transcibed. ::) Thanks.
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camiller passes the 1500 mark!
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:)
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Feb. 16, 1846:
"At Meridian fired 13 minute guns as a mark of respect to the memory of the late Commodore Jesse D. Elliot."
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_229_0.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Elliott
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Now that is a man who led an "interesting life", as in the Chinese curse.
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Feb. 22, 1846, Porto Praya:
Celebrating George Washington's birthday:
"At
Sunrise hoisted our colours and the American Ensign at the Fore &
Mizen in honor of the day. At 8 the Portuguese Brig of War hoisted her
colours with the American Ensign at the main."
"At Meridian fired a salute of 17 guns in honor of the day."
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_232_0.jpg
The celebration continues on to the Feb. 23 page:
"At
5 Minutes PM the Portuguese Brig of War "Douro" fired a Salute of
twenty one guns with the American ensign at the Main, which was answered
by this Ship with the same number, with the Portuguese ensign at the
Fore."
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_232_1.jpg
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Coincidentally, I just transcribed the Feb. 22 1881 page of the Jamestown 1879.
At
meridian a salute of 21 guns was fired in honor of Washingtons
Birth-day. Barometer rising. Expended 21 4 lb Saluting Charges VIII inch
26 Cannon Primers. At 1.00 dressed ship.
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Feb. 24, 1846:
"Sent 10 Bbls of slush to the Velasco."
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_233_0.jpg
I thought I read this wrong, but no:
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/slush-fund.html
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Interesting - although not at dinner time ;)
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Feb. 27, 1846"
"Sent the Stream Anchor to the Boxer. Launch
transporting provisions - 1st Cutter watering the Brig. Sail
makers making a jib for the Boxer. Armorers on shore repairing ironwork
for the Boxer."
This brig "Boxer" seemed to be in such bad shape,
that I did a quick Google for it. Not much popped up, but this
bio. has some interesting tidbits and relates a sad event that occurred
on the Boxer (see page 18).
http://books.google.com/books?id=iIlC9Qs0gtUC&pg=PA15&lpg=PA15&dq=us+brig+boxer&source=bl&ots=YxEp1yvF9t&sig=ddogTkd1VbhRXF5dvZBpVGv1Ah0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=iq_SUu67LuvisAS02YKADA&ved=0CEMQ6AEwBjgK#v=onepage&q=%20boxer&f=false
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Good find!!!
Very interesting information about a sailor's life.
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Yes. These stories teach me so much about ship's life,
too. Did you read the part about how the the ship was out of money
at the end of the month and served no food, at all? The seasoned
sailors knew they had to lay in a few stores, but the new guy (a
teenager, at that!) had no clue. Fortunately his dad was visiting
and took him out to eat!
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I found some of the story of the Boxer in the Library of Congress Newspapers.
New-York daily tribune., April 08, 1846, Image 2
(http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030213/1846-04-08/ed-1/seq-2/#date1=1845&index=0&rows=20&words=Boxer+brig&searchType=basic&sequence=0&state=&date2=1846&proxtext=brig+Boxer&y=-221&x=-1002&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=1)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-cpy75GU4rI0/UtLDJeHBLnI/AAAAAAAAC-s/pBpArL7QKyo/w506-h546-no/New-York+daily+tribune.%252C+April+08%252C+1846%252C+Image+2.JPG)
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8) 8) Thanks, Janet! That explains all the repairs
being done to the Boxer! I only copied a sample to this
topic. Interesting to see all the ships' names in the paper,
having seen them in the log.
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What I really like about this marine report, and don't see at all in others, is the only
vessel to arrive in the Port of New York was the Velasco. The
paper reported every vessel she had news of. I wish more of the
newspapers online were that complete. It totally explains the
exchange of crew from Boxer and to Velasco.
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Excellent!
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March 13, 1846:
"At 30 Minutes (PM) the 1st Cutter returned
having spoken the American Whaling Barque "Powhatan" of Warren, R. I. 40
days out with small pox on board sent an officer on shore and
obtained permission for her to enter the Port. At 2.30 she came to on
our starb'd quarter about half a mile distant."
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_241_1.jpg
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This is my first end/start of new log. Do I do anything besides save the pages?
After April 13, 1846,
This log page is blank:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_257_1.jpg
The next 2 pages are halves of scanner info. The chart says it's volume 2 of 67, and ends 8/16/1846.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol002of067/vol002of067_001_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol002of067/vol002of067_001_1.jpg
2
more scans are of the outer cover. The next 2 have no ship
records, but do have some small notes, which I transcribed as
events.
The ship's log begins right away on the next page with no introduction.
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Scanner information was never part of the original log, and blank
pages have nothing - including no headers - to transcribe, so a simple
"Finished with this page" does it. :)
This is very typical of log starts - some logbooks have written identification on the front, but that's all to expect.
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Thanks for the quick reply, Janet!
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camiller passes the 2000 mark!
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:D Thanks, Randi!
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The Jamestown meets the US Barque Marion, April 27, 1846, in Porto Praya:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol002of067/vol002of067_010_1.jpg
While
looking for info about the Marion, this British collection of letters
concerning the capture and trials of slave trading vessels popped
up. It has some interesting letters, and I see some ships' names
that I recognize from the logs.
http://books.google.com/books?id=xnRbAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
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They seem to have some of the letters online. Nice.
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Yes, we've seen this before - sort of hit or miss what you can
access without buying the book. I saw one letter from a British
officer in South Africa to an office back in England complaining about
the fact that all the slave trade on the east coast of Africa was
conducted by US ships.
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Yes,
we've seen this before - sort of hit or miss what you can access
without buying the book. I saw one letter from a British officer
in South Africa to an office back in England complaining about the fact
that all the slave trade on the east coast of Africa was conducted by US
ships.
True,
and the main reason we were very active in slaver repression. It
wasn't meant as being cop to the world, it was very domestic.
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I didn't realize that in the 1840's the US was apparently the only,
or at least, the dominant, slave trading nation on the African
East Coast, according to that one letter.
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Not as a nation, as private smugglers. It stopped being legal
to import any slaves from anywhere much earlier. And the ships we
are transcribing are proof the gov't did not support them. Tho all
other attitudes toward slavery were down right terrible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_Prohibiting_Importation_of_Slaves
The
Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves of 1807 (2 Stat. 426, enacted
March 2, 1807) is a United States federal law that stated that no new
slaves were permitted to be imported into the United States. It took
effect in 1808, the earliest date permitted by the United States
Constitution.
This act, a part of the general trend toward
abolishing the slave trade (led by Great Britain), ended the legality of
the U.S.-based transatlantic slave trade. However, it was not always
well enforced, and slavery itself continued in the United States until
the end of the Civil War and the adoption of the 13th Amendment to the
Constitution.
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There are some really cool, albeit tedious to read, letters in that
book! One set appears to explain a mix up involving our own Jamestown
and the British officer on the Penelope, all through correspondence, and
how they looked forward to meeting personally to talk it over if the 2
ships were ever met up. I transcribed the remarks in the log pages
recording the visits. Now I know that they were discussing much
more than pleasantries!
I've only skimmed through sections of the
book, but the basic sentiment seems to be that the British Naval
Officers all around the Atlantic are upset with continued slave trading,
especially by ships sailing American flags, which they might change
before getting to port, and the indirect support of slave trade by the
British shipping industry. The British officers seem to be doing a
lot of explaining justifying their boarding or capture of vessels that
they think are involved in slave trade.
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I remember that one of the books I found was fairly angry about the US Navy's lack of zeal regarding catching slavers.
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That book was in my mind, too, Randi. I just ran across it in another search. Ironclad Captain
expands on those British letters in the book that I found by describing
how the British Navy itself was horrible to slaves that it 'saved',
either enlisting healthy males, or indenturing others to British in
Africa.
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Fire in Porto Praya!
May 13,1 846
"At 3.35 discovered one
of the Custom houses to be on fire. _ Sent the Launch and 3rd and 5th
Cutters with men to render assistance."
"Sent a gang of men on shore to rescue the U S Stores from the burning Custom house"
"Working party on shore breaking our provisions from the ruins of the Customs house."
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol002of067/vol002of067_018_1.jpg
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Pfeffern?sse for the Jamestown? ;D
"Received from the "Southampton" 15 Boxes of Cocoa and 4 boxes of Pepper."
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On June 25, 1846, in Porto Praya, a very distinguished ship joined the Jamestown and the African Squadron:
"At
9.40 the U S Brig Dolphin and U S Frigate_ "United States" bearing the
broad pendants of Commodore George C Reed Arrived; the latter 22 days
from Boston_ At 10 (AM) saluted Commodore Reed with 13 guns hauled
down the blue and hoisted the red broad Pendant _ The salute was
returned gun for gun_ At 10.30 Commodore Skinner visited the United
States Frigate "United States"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol002of067/vol002of067_040_1.jpg
The
"United States" was the first frigate constructed for the US Navy after
the Naval Act of 1794 and was named by George Washington.
It would have been nearly 50 years old at the time it reached Porto
Praya! It would finally be captured, scuttled, recaptured, and
broken up during and right after the Civil War. In addition to
naval action, the ship is connected to our literary history:
Herman Melville was aboard as an ordinary seaman.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_United_States_%281797%29
If
I understand it corrrectly, the changing of the broad pendants
indicates that Commodore Reed is the most senior officer (blue pendant)
and so Commodore Skinner is "now" second ranked, and so flies the red
broad pendant.
How exciting to see our logs reach all the way back to the formation of the US!
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26 June, 1846, Porto Praya:
"At Meridian Fired 13 minute guns as a testimony of respect to the Memory of the late Commodore Crane"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol002of067/vol002of067_041_0.jpg
Commodore
William Montgomery Crane had been in the US Navy since at least 1799
and held many offices. He was also brother of the real-life
Ichabod Crane.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_M._Crane
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Fascinating!
I love all the stuff you discover doing these logs ;D
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Me, too! These logs combined with the internet are great.
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Ships "met" ;)
(Argentine?) Schooner 18'th of April
20/05/1853 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_056_1.jpg
HBM Ship Actaeon
Jan. 2, 1848. http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_091_1.jpg
Jan. 5, 1848. http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_093_0.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Actaeon_%281831%29
steamer Alleghany
21/01/1849 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_091_0.jpg
22/01/1849 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_091_1.jpg
23/01/1849 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_092_0.jpg
24/01/1849 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_092_1.jpg
25/01/1849 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_093_0.jpg
01/02/1849 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_096_1.jpg
American Brig Amazon
02/09/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_020_1.jpg
09/09/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_024_0.jpg
HBMS Amphitrite
Jan. 23, 1848. http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_102_0.jpg
Probably:
http://www.worldnavalships.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10309
http://www.pdavis.nl/ShowShip.php?id=1056
http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/A/00238.html
Steamer Argentina
22/12/1853 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_118_1.jpg
HBM Brig Arab
http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/A/00291.html
http://www.pdavis.nl/ShowShip.php?id=1066
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol008of067/vol008of067_027_0.jpg
French transport Aube :-\
14/04/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_123_1.jpg
Probably:
http://www.shipscribe.com/marvap/711.html
US Brig Bainbridge
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_172_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_186_1.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Bainbridge_%281842%29
http://www.civilwar.com/weapons/union-ships/146972-bainbridge-1842-1863-.html
http://www.nytimes.com/1862/06/29/news/arrival-of-united-states-brig-of-war-bainbridge.html
http://www.nytimes.com/1863/08/27/news/loss-us-brig-bainbridge-additional-particulars-disaster-list-crew.html
English Barque Bitt~~~
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_148_0.jpg
British War Steamer Blazer
Probably:
http://www.pdavis.nl/ShowShip.php?id=1135
http://figureheads.ukmcs.org.uk/?p=1721
http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/B/00591.html
03/01/1848. http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_092_0.jpg
H.B.M. Brig/Brigantine Bonita
Possibly: http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/B/00622.html
06/05/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_134_1.jpg
11/05/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_137_0.jpg
13/05/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_138_0.jpg
13/01/1853 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_024_1.jpg
U S Brig Boxer
Dec. 21, 1847. http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_085_1.jpg
Jan. 2, 1848. http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_091_1.jpg
Jan. 3, 1848. http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_092_0.jpg
Jan. 5, 1848. http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_093_0.jpg
through Jan. 13, 1848. http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_097_0.jpg
Jan. 16, 1848. http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_098_1.jpg
Jan. 17, 1848. http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_099_0.jpg
19 Mar 1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_130_0.jpg
21 Mar 1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_131_0.jpg
22 Mar 1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_131_1.jpg
23 Mar 1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_132_0.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Boxer_%281832%29
American Brig Brandywine
16/05/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_139_1.jpg
English Packet Brig Brilliant
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_171_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_026_0.jpg
14/09/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_026_1.jpg
16/11/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_058_0.jpg
HBM Brig Britomart
7 Feb 1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_109_1.jpg
Steamer Brother Joanthan
http://maritimeheritage.org/passengers/Brother-Jonathan-5October1852.html - possibly this voyage!
http://www.maritimeheritage.org/ships/ssBrotherJonathan.html
http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/tf5g5010kj/?layout=metadata
http://www.slc.ca.gov/Info/Shipwrecks/BJ-History.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brother_Jonathan_(steamer%29
http://www.oregonencyclopedia.org/articles/brother_jonathan_ship_/#.V3ZVZaKt8_g
12/06/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_153_0.jpg
H.B.M. Steamer Bull Dog
http://britainsnavy.co.uk/Ships/HMS%20Bulldog/HMS%20Bulldog%20%281845%29%203.htm
http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/B/00727.html
03/03/1849: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_111_1.jpg
English Barque Catarine Green
10/09/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_024_1.jpg
French Steamer of War Catinat :-\
Possibly: http://www.shipscribe.com/marvap/321c.html
07/03/1853 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_037_1.jpg
HBM Steam Frigate Centaur
http://www.britainsnavy.co.uk/Ships/HMS%20Centaur/HMS%20Centaur%20(1845)%204.htm
http://www.worldnavalships.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10869
06/05/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_134_1.jpg
21/01/1853 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_026_1.jpg
12/02/1853 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_032_0.jpg
French brig of War Chasseur
20/05/1853 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_056_1.jpg
American Brig Chickasaw
http://www.immigrantships.net/v16/1800v16/chickasaw18361003.html
https://books.google.fr/books?id=U6ZWAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA24&dq=Semaphoric+Land+Marine+Telegraph+Chickasaw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj1iP-r3ObOAhUkCcAKHeGvCC4Q6AEIJzAA#v=onepage&q=Semaphoric%20Land%20Marine%20Telegraph%20Chickasaw&f=false
Perhaps
the one mentioned here... Slavery in America: A Reprint of an Appeal to
the Christian Women of the
(https://books.google.fr/books?id=YTVEAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA219&lpg=PA219&dq=American+Brig+%22Chickasaw%22&source=bl&ots=lwg8IyzuuM&sig=UClkLy0Y0NiFxA1Ah-ppDd7c_GU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj8geeu2ebOAhVJNhoKHb-uDI0Q6AEIWzAM#v=onepage&q=American%20Brig%20%22Chickasaw%22&f=false)
22/10/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_003_1.jpg
American Barque Chilton
Possibly: http://immigrantships.net/v12/1800v12/chilton18491110.html
03/02/1849 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_097_1.jpg
American Barque Clarissa
05/04/1849 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_128_0.jpg
American Barque Clintonia Wright
https://archive.org/stream/africanrepositor257amer_1/africanrepositor257amer_1_djvu.txt
http://www.nytimes.com/1860/11/28/news/marine-intelligence-cleared-arrived-below-miscellaneous-spoken-c-foreign-ports.html
https://newspapers.library.in.gov/cgi-bin/indiana?a=d&d=PKMDC18491003.1.2
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83009597/1847-09-04/ed-1/seq-3.pdf
12/06/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_153_0.jpg
British Mails steamer Clyde
25/08/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_016_1.jpg
Maybe: http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/royalmail.shtml
http://www.clydeships.co.uk/list.php?a1PageSize=&ship_listPage=6&vessel=CLYDE&a1Order=Sorter_name&a1Dir=ASC&a1Page=2
http://www.clydeships.co.uk/view.php?a1PageSize=&ship_listPage=6&a1Order=Sorter_name&a1Dir=ASC&a1Page=3&ref=5517&vessel=CLYDE
English packet Brig Comet (possibly Cornet)
14/11/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_057_0.jpg
03/12/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_066_1.jpg
French Brig of War Comete :-\
Jan. 17, 1848. http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_099_0.jpg
Possibly:
http://books.google.fr/books?id=BLFLAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA351&lpg=PA351&dq=comete#v=onepage&q=comete&f=false
U.S. Ship / U.S. Frigate Congress
10/07/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_167_0.jpg
19+20/07/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_170_1.jpg
American Ship Conrad
22/06/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_158_0.jpg
Argentine Steamer Constitution
20/05/1853 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_056_1.jpg
Brazilian Frigate Constitution
https://books.google.fr/booksid=fY2Nij1XLfgC&pg=PA32&lpg=PA32&dq=Brazilian+Frigate+Constitution&source=bl&ots=Zh5xadsYZv&sig=GC4UKRVLV4xnDwHTg09bV9idOHo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwimheD9ytLNAhWJnRoKHWFlDEAQ6AEIMDAD#v=onepage&q=Brazilian%20Frigate%20Constitution&f=false
13/06/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_153_1.jpg
English Barque Constitution
13/01/1849 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_087_0.jpg
U.S. Ship Constitution
28/12/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_079_0.jpg
29/12/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_079_1.jpg
Argentine/Buenos Ayrean Steamer of War Correo
https://books.google.com/books?id=58pJAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA239&lpg=PA239&dq=Argentine+Steamer+War+%22Correo%22
20/01/1853 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_026_0.jpg
22/12/1853 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_118_1.jpg
English Packet Steamer Countess of Lonsdale
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/brock.shtml
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/generalsnc.shtml
07+08/09/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_183_1.jpg
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reserved
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HBM Brig Dart
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Dart
http://home.wxs.nl/~pdavis/Ships.htm
Jan. 19, 1848. http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_100_0.jpg
09/09/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_024_0.jpg
23/11/1848 - Returned to US: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_061_1.jpg
H.B.M. Sloop Dauphiney
Possibly: Daphne
http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/D/01271.html
https://books.google.fr/books?id=imFEBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA407&lpg=PA407&dq=Daphne+1838&source=bl&ots=i8nb2xGp-s&sig=FsV0JAPP73jTVimodb4U69rVDUE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwizhOeI49bNAhUK7BQKHW69AYUQ6AEIdDAV#v=onepage&q=Daphne%201838&f=false
http://pdavis.nl/ShowShip.php?id=1318
http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections.html#!csearch;authority=vessel-306271;browseBy=vessel;vesselFacetLetter=D
19/06/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_156_1.jpg
20/06/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_157_0.jpg
U.S. Sloop of War Decatur
http://www.history.navy.mil/research/histories/ship-histories/danfs/d/decatur-i.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Decatur_%281839%29
In
the account below historian Lorraine McConaghy uses the story of black
sailor Robert Shorter to indicate that while the Civil War freed nearly
four million slaves, it also set in motion the status decline of
antebellum African American seamen.
The eleven years Robert
Shorter served in the U.S. Navy tell us much about the profound change
affecting him and all black sailors during the Civil War. Shorter
served on the sloop-of-war DECATUR throughout that ship's commission in
the Pacific Squadron, 1854-1859, and continued to serve in the Navy
during the Civil War, first on the frigate BRANDYWINE, and then on the
steamer FAHKEE, through the war's end in 1865. His experience is
typical of many free black men whose skills on warships under sail
earned him a responsible antebellum position, only to lose ground
because of the ascendancy of steam-powered warships and seagoing
prejudice against unskilled black sailors, often escaped or recently
freed slaves or "contraband" as they were often called.
- See more at: http://www.blackpast.org/perspectives/eleven-years-u-s-navy-strange-saga-robert-shorter#sthash.uNkbcfDH.dpuf
Reminiscences
of Seattle, Washington Territory, and the U.S. Sloop-of-War "Decatur"
during the Indian War of 1855-1856
(http://www.sos.wa.gov/legacy/publications_detail.aspx?p=45)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_186_1.jpg
25/08/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_016_1.jpg
01/09/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_020_0.jpg
26/10/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_047_1.jpg
28/10/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_048_1.jpg
English Schooner Despatch
15/04/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_143_1.jpg
02/10/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_035_1.jpg
H.B.M. Steamer Devastation
02/09/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_020_1.jpg
http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/D/01356.html
http://pdavis.nl/ShowShip.php?id=1342
http://www.britainsnavy.co.uk/Ships/HMS%20Devastation/HMS%20Devastation%20%281841%29%202.htm
U S Brig Dolphin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Dolphin_%281836%29
Report
and charts of the cruise of the U.S. brig Dolphin, made under direction
of the Navy Department (1854)
(https://archive.org/details/reportchartsofcr00unit)
Brazilian Man-o-war Steamer Don Alfonzo Segundo
29/09/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_189_0.jpg
Brazilian Man of War Steamer Don Pedro Segundo --- corrected to Paranese
31/12/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_021_0.jpg
01/01/1853 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_021_1.jpg
Sardinian Sloop of War Eagle
04/06/1853 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_060_0.jpg
English packet Brig Eclipse
28/10/1848 - Shipped: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_048_1.jpg
American Barque Eldorado
20/01/1853 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_026_0.jpg
U.S. Ship / Store Ship Erie
http://www.history.navy.mil/research/histories/ship-histories/danfs/e/erie-i.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Erie_%281813%29
http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/86/86154.htm
26/10/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_047_1.jpg
28/10/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_048_1.jpg
29/10/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_040_0.jpg
30/10/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_040_1.jpg
21/01/1849 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_091_0.jpg
H.B.M. Brig Express
www.pdavis.nl/ShowShip.php?id=1422
http://www.britainsnavy.co.uk/Ships/HMS%20Express/HMS%20Express%20(1835)%205.htm
18/06/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_156_0.jpg
American Barque Fanny Major
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/705242
http://www.maritimeheritage.org/captains/wakeman.html
http://www.maritimeheritage.org/vips/montez.html
http://www.maritimeheritage.org/inport/1860s.htm
20/04/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_141_1.jpg
French Steamer of War Flambart
http://www.shipscribe.com/marvap/422f.html
https://books.google.com/books?id=tl8CAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA340&lpg=PA340&dq=flambart+french+steamer
20/11/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_011_0.jpg
26/03/1853 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_042_1.jpg
American Ship Florence
23/11/1848 - Returned to US: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_061_1.jpg
French Sloop of war Galathee :-\
Probably:
http://www.shipscribe.com/marvap/311c.html
http://www.netmarine.net/bat/smarins/galatee/ancien.htm
19/01/1854 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_129_0.jpg
U.S. Ship Germantown
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Germantown_(1846)#Brazil_Squadron.2C_1853.E2.80.931857
19/01/1854 and 20/01/1854 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_129_0.jpg
English Ship Gilmore
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_171_0.jpg
French Man of war schooner Giroubelle / Gironbelle
05/01/1849 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_083_0.jpg
HBM Steamer Gorgon
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_162_0.jpg
http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/G/02026.html
http://warshipsresearch.blogspot.fr/2011/11/british-paddle-steam-frigate-hms-gorgon.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Gorgon_%281837%29
American ship Grecian (guessing!)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_120_0.jpg
Might be the Clipper ship Grecian - http://www.maritimeheritage.org/PassLists/Ship-Grecian-11August1852.html
https://www.mainememory.net/artifact/6153
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/c/clementsmss/umich-wcl-M-3494cof?view=text
American Brig Helen
Possibly: http://www.immigrantships.net/v2/1800v2/helen18361013.html
http://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/community/wallace100/blog/tags/brig_helen?fromGateway=true
"I am afraid the ship's on fire."
18/06/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_156_0.jpg
American Barque Henry Shilton
13/06/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_153_1.jpg
HBM Brig Heroine
07/10/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_038_0.jpg
10/10/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_039_1.jpg
http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/H/02253.html
http://www.familytreeservice.co.uk/RoyalnavyshipsHeroine.html
Herirtzer - Very uncertain of spelling
13/01/1853 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_024_1.jpg
American Ship Jno Baring
http://immigrantships.net/v11/1800v11/jnobaring18420825.html
16/06/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_155_0.jpg
French Frigate Joan of Arc
Possibly: http://www.netmarine.net/bat/croiseur/jeannedarc/ancien.htm
20/06/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_157_0.jpg
21/06/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_157_1.jpg
French Barque Julie
Jan. 4, 1848. http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_092_1.jpg
American Barque Juniatta
http://www.levantineheritage.com/paint1.htm
04/12/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_014_1.jpg
HBM Brig Kingfisher
https://books.google.fr/books?id=_E6WNW3ELi0C&pg=PT127&lpg=PT127&dq=HMS+Brig+Kingfisher
https://books.google.fr/books?id=sQSTAwAAQBAJ&pg=PT138&lpg=PT138&dq=HMS+Brig+Kingfisher
http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/I/02596.html
02/02/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_107_0.jpg
07/02/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_109_1.jpg
15/11/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_057_1.jpg
HBM Steamer Locust
also Her B.M. Steamer Locust - this was the time of Queen Victoria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Victoria)
http://www.pdavis.nl/ShowShip.php?id=1705
http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/L/02758.html
https://books.google.fr/books?id=QRSL5B5QihEC&pg=PA47&lpg=PA47&dq=HBM+Steamer+%22Locust%22
http://docvirt.com/docreader.net/DocReader.aspx?bib=livrosmp&pagfis=1840
31/08/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_181_1.jpg
30/09/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_189_0.jpg
26/03/1853 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_042_1.jpg
American Whale ship Logan
Dec. 16, 1847. http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_083_0.jpg
Probably:
http://www.nmdl.org/aowv/whvoyage.cfm?VesselNumber=371
English Ship London
15/11/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_057_1.jpg
American Hermaphrodite Brig Lyra
25/08/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_016_1.jpg
American Barque Maddon
01/01/1853 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_021_1.jpg
American Screw/Propeller Manuelita Rosas
Probably:
https://www.smashwords.com/extreader/read/266938/19/one-hundred-eighty-landings-of-united-states-marines-1800-19
https://books.google.com/books?id=KpJdAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA4&lpg=PA4&dq=American+steamer+Manuelita+Rosas
05/01/1853 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_022_1.jpg
07/02/1853 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_030_1.jpg
American Barque Maria of Baltimore
04/01/1849 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_082_1.jpg
05/01/1849 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_083_0.jpg
HBM Brig Mariner
Jan. 15, 1848. http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_098_0.jpg
Probably:
http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/M/02908.html
http://www.pdavis.nl/ShowShip.php?id=1740
Brig of War Maypeo (last two letters uncertain)
20/01/1853 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_026_0.jpg
Schooner Mirandi
15 Apr 1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_143_1.jpg
American Ship Monterey
13/06/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_153_1.jpg
American Brig Natches
11/30/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_013_1.jpg
American Barque Nehemiah Rich
12 Mar 1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_126_1.jpg
"The American Barque Nehemiah Rich, 60 days from New Orleans with 129 negro emigrants came in and anchored"
17 Mar 1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_129_0.jpg
19 Mar 1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_130_0.jpg
22 Mar 1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_131_1.jpg
https://archive.org/stream/emigrationtolibe01newy/emigrationtolibe01newy_djvu.txt
"The Nehemiah Rich, from New Orleans, Jan. 7, with 129"
http://rootsrevealed.blogspot.fr/2012/06/when-compelling-pieces-of.html
-
American Barque O. J. Hays
Probably named after the person https://archive.org/stream/missionsmissiona00reid/missionsmissiona00reid_djvu.txt
31/12/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_021_0.jpg
H.B.M. Steamer Odin
http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/N/03300.html
http://www.pdavis.nl/ShowShip.php?id=1830
http://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?fldrs=64622&uid=389
05/04/1849 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_128_0.jpg
American ship Panama
30/11/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_013_1.jpg
HBM Brig Pantaloon
18 Aug 1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_013_0.jpg
http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/P/03390.html
http://pdavis.nl/ShowShip.php?id=1851
http://www.gac.culture.gov.uk/work.aspx?obj=26624
Paraense
https://books.google.com/books?id=kpfoCgrp7SsC&pg=PA51&lpg=PA51&dq=paraense+brazilian+ship&source=bl&ots=FvD-KBh06g&sig=4ZvMutWDP7fZLUb9v0QiUbXkOAw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjLxv3UtNjQAhXJNSYKHWK-BIUQ6AEINDAG#v=onepage&q=paraense&f=false
31/12/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_021_0.jpg
01/01/1853 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_021_1.jpg
11/01/1853 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_024_0.jpg
American Barque Pathfinder
http://www.worldcat.org/title/copy-of-log-book-diary-of-george-robert-wilson-a-passenger-of-the-ship-barque-pathfinder-from-new-york-to-san-francisco-apr-17-1852-sept-27-1853/oclc/039332080
https://books.google.fr/books?id=k3lkAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA184&lpg=PA184&dq=American+Barque+%22Pathfinder%22+1852&source=bl&ots=paLRCeb-8Y&sig=il20PfigfsoMLqA2L3nWf_hxAsw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwik-pyB0NLNAhVFWxoKHa6iBhoQ6AEILDAC#v=onepage&q=pathfinder&f=false
http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=DAC18521003.2.9
13/06/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_153_1.jpg
Paraense
31/12/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_021_0.jpg
English Steam Frigate HBM Penelope - Bearing the Broad Pendant of Commo. Sir, Charles Hotham
Dec. 24, 1847. http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_087_0.jpg
Jan. 4, 1848. http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_092_1.jpg
http://www.pdavis.nl/ShowShip.php?id=1864
http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Gazette/Slave_Trade/Slave_Trade2.html
American Barque Peytona
28 Jun 1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_180_1.jpg
Maybe: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~npmelton/sfbtayl2.htm
HMB Brig Philomel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Philomel_%281842%29
http://www.worldnavalships.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11892
http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/P/03492.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/paintings/hm-brig-philomel-capturing-the-slaver-condor-off-the-coast42658 (painting 1880, capture of Condor 1850)
25 Mar 1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_133_0.jpg
H.B.M. Steamer Plumper
https://queenboroughrevenuestation.wordpress.com/2010/08/22/special-force-for-revenue-service-defence-of-the-frontier/
https://pubs.usgs.gov/bul/0174/report.pdf
http://www.sos.wa.gov/legacy/images/publications/SL_unitedisland/SL_unitedisland.pdf
15/06/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_154_1.jpg
U S Brig Porpoise
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Porpoise_%281836%29
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/OnlineLibrary/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-p/porpois2.htm
19 Mar 1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_130_0.jpg
21 Mar 1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_131_0.jpg
9 Jul 1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_186_0.jpg
10 Jul 1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_186_1.jpg
14/09/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_026_1.jpg
05/10/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_037_0.jpg
06/10/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_037_1.jpg
13/10/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_041_0.jpg
U.S. Sloop of War Portsmouth
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Portsmouth_%281843%29
http://archives.brooklynnavyyard.org/index.php/Detail/Object/Show/object_id/5657
12/10/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_040_1.jpg
English Packet Prince, Mail Steamer PrinceEnglish Mail Steamer Prince
12/06/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_153_0.jpg
29/09/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_189_0.jpg
20/10/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_003_0.jpg
23/12/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_018_1.jpg
31/12/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_021_0.jpg
02/01/1853 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_021_1.jpg
20/05/1853 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_056_1.jpg
H.B.M. Ship of the Line Prince Regent
http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/P/03657.html
http://www.pdavis.nl/ShowShip.php?id=34
http://dbpedia.org/page/HMS_Prince_Regent_%281823%29
01/04/1849 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_126_0.jpg
03/04/1849 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_127_0.jpg
Steamer Princeton
"She
later served in the Mediterranean from 17 August 1847-24 June 1849." -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Princeton_%281843%29
http://www.history.navy.mil/research/histories/ship-histories/danfs/p/princeton-i.html
02/03/1849 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_111_0.jpg
03/03/1849: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_111_1.jpg
Steamer Princeton (II)
http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/86/86608.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Princeton_(1851)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol008of067/vol008of067_026_1.jpg
French Steamer of War Proney
Probably Prony http://www.shipscribe.com/marvap/321b.html
24/12/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_019_1.jpg
French transport Proserpine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_frigate_Proserpine_(1809)
http://www.shipscribe.com/marvap/ships16.html
17/05/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_140_0.jpg
18/05/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_140_1.jpg
H.B.M Brig Ranger
06/10/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_037_1.jpg
07/10/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_038_0.jpg
10/10/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_039_1.jpg
12/10/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_040_1.jpg
13/10/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_041_0.jpg
http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/R/03800.html
http://www.britainsnavy.co.uk/Ships/HMS%20Ranger/HMS%20Ranger%20%281835%29%2010.htm
English Brig Rapid
http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/R/03807.html
25 Mar 1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_133_0.jpg
U. S. Stores Ship Relief
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Relief_(1836)
http://www.shipscribe.com/usnaux/AF/af-relief.html
12/06/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_153_0.jpg
05/01/1853 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_022_1.jpg
08/01/1853 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_023_0.jpg
11/01/1853 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_024_0.jpg
15/01/1853 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_025_0.jpg
20/01/1853 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_026_0.jpg
H.B.M. Steamer Rifleman
http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/R/03943.html
http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66788.html
http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/68074.html
13/01/1853 and 14/01/1853 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_024_1.jpg
American Brig Rob't Wing
Probably:
http://research.mysticseaport.org/coll/coll069/
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/Landsea/Partagas/1865-1870/1866.pdf (Storm 3)
http://www.nytimes.com/1865/06/13/news/marine-intelligence-cleared-arrived-below-by-telegraph-foreign-ports.html
https://books.google.com/books?id=-aRUAAAAcAAJ&pg=RA6-PA32&lpg=RA6-PA32&dq=american+brig+robert+wing+-BRIGADIER
https://books.google.com/books?id=fABaAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA1410&dq=american+brig+robert+wing-
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_033_1.jpg
American Barque Saint James
15/06/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_154_1.jpg
English Ship S~rasbans ? ? ? of Glasgow
16/11/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_058_0.jpg
French Steamer of War Sesostress :-\
Possibly: Sesostris http://www.shipscribe.com/marvap/421h.html
https://books.google.com/books?id=a_lEAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA68&lpg=PA68&dq=french+steamer+of+war+SESOSTRIS
07/03/1853 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_037_1.jpg
HBM Steamer Styx
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_159_1.jpg
http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/S/04447.html
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~morgan/cheryl/styx.html
Hamburgh Barque Sylphide
http://www.immigrantships.net/v8/1800v8/sylphide18480722.html
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/86414920
15/11/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_057_1.jpg
U.S. Schooner Taney
Possibly:
http://www.history.navy.mil/research/histories/ship-histories/danfs/t/taney-i.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USRC_Taney_%281833%29
http://www.uscg.mil/history/webcutters/Taney_1834.asp
24/01/1849 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_092_1.jpg
31/01/1849 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_096_0.jpg
English Frigate Thetis
21/01/1849 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_091_0.jpg
24/01/1849 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_092_1.jpg
American barque Treybosset :-\
07/09/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_183_1.jpg
Ship Thomas Watson
https://books.google.fr/books?id=TaWjAQAAQBAJ&pg=PT365&lpg=PT365&dq=ship+thomas+watson
http://www.maritimeheritage.org/ships/Clippers_T-to-Z.html#Thomas-Watson
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2006.05.0302%3Aarticle%3D3
24/06/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_159_0.jpg
American Barque Thorndike
Possibly: https://books.google.com/books?id=I0lHAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA115&lpg=PA115&dq=american+barque+thorndike
06/03/1853 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_037_1.jpg
English Barque Tomatine
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzbound/wellington.htm
http://www.familytreecircles.com/u/ngairedith/?&next=1571
31/10/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_050_0.jpg
US Brig Truxton
(Also spelled Truxtun in the log)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_050_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_156_0.jpg
(http://media.mutualart.com/Images/2012_07/05/03/035602525/ef347e7e-d6d5-4e9e-84ca-57ea24ad1073_570.Jpeg)
The US Brig Truxton Outward Bound from Boston by Louis Dodd
"Images are copyright of their respective owners, assignees or others"
http://books.google.fr/books?id=9dwJB-iKPXsC&pg=PA273&lpg=PA273&dq=Brig+truxton&source=bl&ots=3lQT_NTCPX&sig=C2mnIMciDdk6VG0xGN6Ciqg5C0o&hl=en&sa=X&ei=I1ivUZqDK8OrPNbTgdAE&ved=0CCsQ6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q=Brig%20truxton&f=false
U S Frigate United States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_United_States_%281797%29 (thanks Carolyn ;))
http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/u/unitedstates.htm
http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/shipprofiles/p/ussus.htm
30/12/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_080_0.jpg
02/01/1849 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_081_1.jpg
04/01/1849 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_082_1.jpg
Barque Valley ~~~~~
15/06/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_154_1.jpg
H.B.M. Ship Vengeance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Vengeance_%281824%29
03/03/1849: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_111_1.jpg
H.B.M. Steamer Vixen
07/01/1853 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_023_0.jpg
21/01/1853 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_026_1.jpg
Barque Wagram
13/06/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_153_1.jpg
HBM Brig of war Water Witch
http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/W/05190.html
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_159_0.jpg
English Barque William Hyde
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=WI18520602.2.17&cl=CL1.WI&l=mi&e=-------10-TS-1----2%2522burlington+street%2522--
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzbound/wmhyde.htm
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/page/1516035
English Ship Yeoman
07/09/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_023_0.jpg
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In an article about marine archaeology, up popped a reference to the
discovery of the wreck in the Cape Verde Islands of a ship that was
mentioned many times in the logs of the Jamestown - the Yorktown!
Here's the Wikipedia entry for that first, short-lived USS Yorktown - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Yorktown_%281839%29
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8) 8)
Found this earlier, but the link doesn't work at the moment, and a fresh search doesn't work any better Works now ;D Voyage to a Thousand Cares: Master's Mate Lawrence with the African Squadron, 1844-1846
(http://books.google.fr/books?id=eU3SH0XvFYoC&pg=PA215&lpg=PA215&dq=yorktown+august+1845+africa&source=bl&ots=fe0NX55DTO&sig=f0fjRC1n6BvB3sMn5BebLcY1LLY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=WtxsUrfTEMea0AWG3IHADQ&ved=0CD0Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=yorktown%20august%201845%20africa&f=false)
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Ooh, thanks for refreshing us on this. Link doesn't work for me, either :(
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Can anyone read the name of island in the last 2 paragraphs that
looks like Yacheo or Zacheo? Google (and a few OW refs) turn up
nothing with either of those names near Mona or Puerto Rico. The
only other island in the Mona passage is to the north - Desecho
Is. Close, but not quite the same.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol002of067/vol002of067_049_0.jpg
Thanks!
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There is (or was) a Zacheo
http://books.google.ca/books?id=nFQvAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA17&lpg=PA17&dq=zacheo+puerto+rico&source=bl&ots=DrVmSpDpnr&sig=XhmzwuC0POYnbGQ1ufR9Y38pG_k&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_ywWU-xFybDJAeSKgYgB&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=zacheo%20puerto%20rico&f=false
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:D :D :D
Thanks! It is the same as Desecheo.
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I couldn't see inside the book in asterix's link, but I did find this one:
The
American coast pilot: containing directions for the principal harrours
[!] capes, and headlands, on the coast of North and South America, 1833:
http://books.google.fr/books?id=BPANAQAAMAAJ&pg=PR18&lpg=PR18&dq=zacheo+island,+west+indies&source=bl&ots=wFGP--TDav&sig=rm-bGwKPbHoTaRYx42NE_DSPY74&hl=en&sa=X&ei=fjQWU67vEuzU4wTqn4H4DA&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=zacheo%20island%2C%20west%20indies&f=false
Here are a couple of maps:
West India Islands and Caribbean Sea, 1879: http://historicalcharts.noaa.gov/historicals/preview/image/H01514-11-1879
West
Indies , 1849:
http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~229793~5508202:West-Indies-?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=q:puerto%2Brico;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=5&trs=338
Isla
de Puerto Rico, 1851:
http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~3339~340017:Isla-de-Puerto-Rico-por-el-Teniente?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=w4s:/when/1851;q:puerto%2Brico;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=1&trs=2
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Thanks! Those 2 piloting books are key because they confirm that both names go with that island.
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For more information on the slave trade see the books:
Africa Squadron
Royal navy Vs the Slave traders
The Slave Trade Hugh Thomas
One
problem the USN and the RN had was the USN could only arrest American
ships and the RN could usually only arrest British ships. The slave
traders knew this and carried all sorts false flags and papers.
Sometimes arresting even a US ship could be a real headache for the
Captain of the USN ship responsible. The courts often released the
captured ships. The Masters of slave ships if convicted usually got
short jail sentences and in 3 cases pardoned!?. In two cases the USN
Captains who captured slave ships had the cases thrown out the ships
released and they were sued by the ships owners!? One sort of feels
sorry for these men. Note: there was plenty of money to be made in slave
trading so they could afford good lawyers and often bribe there way
out. Add to this there were more than a few pro-slavery people in
America at this time.
One should also point out slave trading
in the US carried the death penalty at this time. The master of the
slave ship Storm King Capt N. Gordon was captured by the USS San Jacinto
and no doubt expected to get off, but the US Civil War broke out and he
was tried convicted and hung in 1862. He was the only man in the US to
be hung for slave trading.
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Thanks. This topic has compiled quite a collection of books
about the naval involvement in the slave trade. It's been a very
sad eye opener for me.
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camiller passes the 3000 mark!
;D
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Thanks. I'm looking forward to getting to "home port" in a few weeks.
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The Jamestown is "shewing" its "coulors" again!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol002of067/vol002of067_053_1.jpg
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;D
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Another Caribbean place-name book, if it's not already listed:
Military Notes on Cuba
http://books.google.com/books?id=dLSCAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA179&lpg=PA179&dq#v=onepage&q&f=false
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July 25, 1846 On its way back to home port, the Jamestown "discovers Carysfort Light", near Key Largo, FL.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol002of067/vol002of067_055_1.jpg
"
The lighthouse has an iron screw-pile foundation with a platform, and a
skeletal, octagonal, pyramidal tower, which is painted red. The light
is 100 feet (30 m) above the water. It is the oldest functioning
lighthouse of its type in the United States, completed in 1852."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carysfort_Reef_Light
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Does anyone know what the note about the current, at the bottom right of the page, means?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol002of067/vol002of067_055_0.jpg
This
appears to be set (direction) and drift (speed/distance offset) of the
current over some interval. The problem is knowing what the 30 miles
refers to. You typically need to compare something like the DR position
with a fix, where the set/drift explains the difference between the two.
I didn't see it again on nearby pages...?
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Thanks for the explanation. I haven't seen that type of note
before or since (only 2 days) in the logs. Could the ship
have been using some location on shore as a reference, like the Pan of
Matanzas? If it means anything, they recorded both "observed" and
"dead reckoning" positions on the page below.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol002of067/vol002of067_053_1.jpg
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For a few days, the log-copier left one log-keeper's name (Walbach)
in pencil instead of writing it out in ink, like he did for all the
others.
I wonder what's up with that?
Example: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol002of067/vol002of067_060_1.jpg
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Strange!
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August 5, 1846,
"At 9.30 [pm] discovered Cape Cod light"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol002of067/vol002of067_061_0.jpg
What a welcome sight that must have been! Nearly back to Boston after more than a year away.
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For
a few days, the log-copier left one log-keeper's name (Walbach) in
pencil instead of writing it out in ink, like he did for all the
others.
I wonder what's up with that?
Example: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol002of067/vol002of067_060_1.jpg
Perhaps he wasn't sure of the spelling and meant to check it?
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Oh, that might explain it!
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Even though the Jamestown has many years of service left, the
log descriptions of departures and preparing the ship to be
decommissioned are sad... I guess taking such good care of everything
helped keep it afloat for so long.
Aug. 14, 1846,
"Sent down all the Steering Sail booms and made every preparation for dismantling the Ship."
"At meridian Commodore Skinner addressed the Crew and left the Ship."
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol002of067/vol002of067_065_1.jpg
Aug. 16- 17, 1846,
"At 4.30 (P.M) gave the Crew liberty until Monday morning next."
"At 10 (AM) Captain Cunningham came on board and addressed the crew.
At 11 Put the Ship out of Commission and discharged the Crew."
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol002of067/vol002of067_066_1.jpg
I wonder how many crew were around to hear the Captain if they were given liberty the previous day? ::)
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Have a look at http://www.naval-history.net/OWShips-USNShipsList.htm
to see future voyages - but I am not sure if all are included. I know
Craig went on well past where we are!
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It spent a couple of years in the Mediterranean during the
revolutions in Europe - 1848 and thereabouts, protecting American
interests. I made a couple of posts on this near the beginning of this
thread. It tagged along with the USS Constitution and was quite
proud of the fact. You will enjoy the War of the Two Sicilies. Keep on
plugging. ;D
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Between Craig, Naval-History, and the logs themselves, I've been
getting lots of previews! The decommissioning on the last page
scanned is so sad. A few days before the last entry, the weather
instruments are removed and the logs say things like 'no thermometer,
ship decommissioned'.
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Just like clockwork, Craig! ;D Thanks for the all the advice and encouragement!
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First pages of a "new' cruise, not a new log that I can tell,
are very interesting. :o I'm saving as ' I've finished with this
page" Should I do anything else ??? Thanks.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol002of067/vol002of067_067_1.jpg
letter dated Apr. 8, 1861 about signals
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol002of067/vol002of067_068_0.jpg
A list of ports and arrival dates in 1846, ending at Martinique
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol002of067/vol002of067_068_1.jpg
A
page from what appears to be another log, with a very messy chart,
entitled "List of Rigging required on board the U. S. Frigate Congress"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol002of067/vol002of067_069_1.jpg
A page glued in entitled " Fog Signals", with a list of signals of different ships
After that are the scanning record pages
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"I've finished with this page" is fine.
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Phew! Thanks!
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Keep on plugging. ;D
Just got a look at the handwriting in the new log. Now I know why you wrote that, Craig! ::)
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Perhaps the log keeper is the same guy who does the flogging. His hand is probably shaking from all the exertion ;D
You
would be surprised to see the Bear logs, Carolyn. I don't remember
seeing a court martial in the last two log years. Occasionally, some
crew are put in irons but only for a short while. Perhaps it's the
temperature up north that makes the difference. ;D
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Ugh, I must have repressed those entries of lashings!
Didn't you say they stopped them in the 1850's? We're up to 1848
now....
Interesting idea about the connection between weather and
corporal punishment... ;D Given this winter, I can see how
everyone might be a little more restrained in the cold.
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When
President Millard Filmore signed the 1851 naval appropriations bill on
28 September 1850, flogging as a form of punishment in the US. Navy was
legally abolished: "Provided, That flogging in the navy, and on board
vessels of commerce, be, and the same time is hereby, abolished from and
after the passage of this act."
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:)
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Can
anyone read the name of island in the last 2 paragraphs that looks like
Yacheo or Zacheo? Google (and a few OW refs) turn up nothing with
either of those names near Mona or Puerto Rico. The only other
island in the Mona passage is to the north - Desecho Is. Close,
but not quite the same.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol002of067/vol002of067_049_0.jpg
Thanks!
I'm getting some familiar looking pages ;)
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The 1847 logs start in the AM! Do I still need to type AM and
PM? The ship is in port, so the weather is in the remarks section,
recorded for each watch only.
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No. For all ships, the assumption is we are on calendar days
beginning at midnight. Those that choose to start differently are
the only ones needing am/pm.
Just a reminder, because I wasn't sure I remembered it correctly.
Philip has asked us to transcribe this data as Weather Records using the end time of the watch.
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Yeah, no more am/pm! Thanks for getting back to me and for the reminder; I have been entering time as end of watch.
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No.
For all ships, the assumption is we are on calendar days beginning at
midnight. Those that choose to start differently are the only ones
needing am/pm.
Just a reminder, because I wasn't sure I remembered it correctly.
Philip has asked us to transcribe this data as Weather Records using the end time of the watch.
There are a few
logs with the weather data in double columns
(http://www.cosmik.com/oldweather/corwin_vol_206_127.jpg). In that case
am/pm should also be included.
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The
1847 logs start in the AM! Do I still need to type AM and
PM? The ship is in port, so the weather is in the remarks section,
recorded for each watch only.
:o :o :o
I don't know if I can cope with that ;D
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;D ;D
So glad this log is not from the Jamestown: :o
There are a few
logs with the weather data in double columns
(http://www.djcosmik.com/oldweather/corwin_vol_206_127.jpg). In that
case am/pm should also be included.
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Jul 22, 1847, at sea from Boston to Norfolk: "No thermometers on board"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_009_0.jpg
This
page also has the first example of an interesting variation in lat/long
recordings: superscripted degrees, seconds, and minutes separated
by double periods. Single period separating partial seconds!
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Randi passes the 2000 mark!
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:-*
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Randi passes the 2000 mark!
8) 8) 8)
That's worth about 5 times that number if you recorded all the lashes, Randi ;D
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What I meant to say is that 2000 WRs drastically understates all the great work you do for the project, Randi. 8)
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:-* :-* ;D
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;D
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uh, oh....
July 28, 1847, off eastern Delmarva Peninsula:
"At
12.43, while standing on in sight of land, head= =ing per compass S 1/2
W we suddenly shoal= =ed our water from 7 to 3 fathoms, when the
ship struck bringing up in 17 feet water on the extreme outer edge of
Winterquarter shoal. All the steering sails & light sails were
taken in, the larboard anchor got ready for letting go, the boats
hoisted out and the stream anchor taken out on the larboard bow where
having previously sound= =ed and found 7 1/2 fms water it was let
go. In sounding there was found a current of about 3 knots setting
to the Wd. The ship in the meantime forging to the Sd having been
lightened by starting the water and heaving overboard 1200 round and 48
grape shot, 18 Cwt Bar and flat Iron, 1 roll of Sheet lead, 6 BBls Tar,
5 Bbls Beef, 4 half Bbls Port, 1 keg Butter 1 Bbl Lime"
July 30, 1847, at anchorage in Norfolk, soon to go to drydock:
"Pumped the Ship out She having made 17 inches in 8 1/2 hours"
July 31, 1847, going into drydock:
"The Construction with a Gang from the Yards hogged the Ship."
"At 12.30 hauled into Docks and Secured the Ship in her berth Loosed the light Sails. Started our water."
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_012_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_014_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_014_1.jpg
hogging a ship: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogging_and_sagging
September 22, 1847, finally leaving port:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_041_0.jpg
The
log entries between those dates resemble typical log entries for the
ship in port in addition to noting all the movements necessary to put
the ship in dry dock. Unfortunately, the logs do not describe why
the ship is in dry dock or what happens to it while it is there.
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Delmarva Peninsula (http://www.geographic.org/geographic_names/usaname.php?uni=588432&fid=usageo_529)
Winterquarter shoal (http://historicalcharts.noaa.gov/historicals/preview/image/AR06-00-1852)
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Note: the log does not say "Delmarva Peninsula". I used that
as a current day reference b/c the log just says 'land'. I should
also have added "Atlantic Ocean side" of Delmarva since the ship will be
sailing up the Chesapeake Bay side in a couple days! Beautiful
area.
Delmarva Peninsula (http://www.geographic.org/geographic_names/usaname.php?uni=588432&fid=usageo_529)
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"Ripraps"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rip_Raps
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The 'current' Jamestown, 1844, logs jumped right from the African
Squadron voyage, ending in Sept., 1846, to the voyage starting
July, 1847, but Naval_History. net says that the ship brought food
to Ireland in the spring of 1847. Will we transcribe those logs?
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I don't know :-[
Sometimes the logs weren't scanned in order because some of the volumes required conservation.
However, some may be missing or omitted.
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Ok. It was a short voyage, and in commonly-traveled waters, so
maybe it was low priority. Sounds interesting, though.
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I remember ;) that Joan found this:
http://irishboston.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/may-16-1847-uss-jamestown-returns-to.html
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Very touching. I do hope we see those logs.
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:o This looks interesting, but it has a sad ending.
Sept. 10, 1847, 3.40 am: "At 3.40 sent the 2'nd Cutter to recover one of the men who was attempting to swim ashore."
There were many punishments Sept. 10, but none for desertion.
Sept.
13: "Thomas Malone Deserter was brought on board from the Schooner Mail
of New Haven. He reported that Stephen Decatur (O.S.) went down
in the attempt to Swim from the ship."
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_036_1.jpg
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Sept. 15, 1847:
"Received in the Purser's Department 7 Pea, and 56 Monkey Jackets ~ 47 - Trousers 50 Sou'westers, all of Gum Elastic."
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_037_1.jpg
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camiller passes the 4000 mark!
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;D thanks!
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Can anyone read the name of the steamer in the 4 - 8am paragraph? Many thanks for looking!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_038_1.jpg
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I think it is "...Steamer Joseph. Receiving..."
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OK, thanks. I'm so used to reading combinations of the letters
looking like f, h, p, q, or s, as "ss" that I'm stumped
when a more logical explanation appears!
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"in reefing one of the ForeTopman fell from the Top on Deck, recieved but slight injury"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_044_0.jpg
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How very lucky - he must have had his fall broken by sails and soft stuff on the way down.
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Yes!
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We just added another percent to our completion line! 21% ;D
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(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_4547.gif)
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Must be Zovacor!
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:D
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We meet the USS Boxer - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_055_1.jpg
In
1846, Boxer was posted to the Africa Squadron, the primary mission of
which was the suppression of the slave trade. That assignment lasted
until the summer of 1848 when she returned to the United States.
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Zovacor
Welcome to the top 12 !
Zovacor passes the 250, 500, and 750 marks!
:-[ Sorry I'm so late!
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3000 WR
;)
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;D 8)
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Thanks!
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Piping aboard First Lieutenant camiller
;)
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:D
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It seems the Jamestown's crew is now only recording air pressure
with decimal places when it dips below 30.00. Otherwise, they're
recording air pressure as "30. -"
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_066_0.jpg
I'm assuming the barometer is working and that they're only worried about potential storms indicated by lower air pressure?
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Very strange. I had noticed a few 30.- readings myself, but I was assuming that they meant 30.00. HOWEVER, I think you are right. I just looked at a bunch of pages and I didn't see anything over 30.
::) ::) ::)
Just
in:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_079_0.jpg
(8 December 30.02 and 30.-)
I wonder if they were having problems with their barometer and got it fixed while at Monrovia :-\
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Interesting....
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Zovacor passes the 1000 mark!
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How do I transcribe the symbol for 'solar' next to observed lat/long?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_070_1.jpg
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How do I transcribe the symbol for 'solar' next to observed lat/long?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_070_1.jpg
"Solar".
I'll
have to update my Abbreviations
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=639.0) to include that -
until now it had only been used as"sun" as in sun rise. The X with
4 dots is "star" or "stellar".
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Thanks!
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How do I transcribe the symbol for 'solar' next to observed lat/long?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_070_1.jpg
I don't transcribe it because there is no place to put it on the location tab :-\
It is simply observed.
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Oh... should I take out the "solar" I wrote in front of the
lat. and long? Will a word there confuse the post-transcription
process?
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I think that would be better to take it out.
As far as I know, only the actual latitude and longitude should be entered in the Lat and Long boxes.
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place name is good for labels + lat/long numbers if you want that.
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I'm not sure. I have this from Philip:
For
places, all I'm using at the moment is the name of the place, so
"Melville's Monument" would be enough, but, as we've previously
discussed, "Melville's Monument bore S55E (p.c.)" is better with the
future in mind. I've no idea what the squiggle in brackets is.
So, the lat and long would probably not be processed.
I think the key point is that it is observed (measured) not whether it is solar, from bearings, or another method.
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A good point.
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Thanks - on 2 counts. I'll edit the position entry and shorten
all future "place" entries. I've been adding all the associated
position information.
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Let me (try to) clarify:
With "Place Name" Philip would be
happy to have bearing and distance information - and even time if it is
part of the phrase - for future use.
However, Lat and Long should be under Observed or Dead Reckoning not Place/Port Name and without any additional info.
Lat and long based on bearings go under Observed.
::)
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NOW I get it! ::) Thanks again!
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Nov. 29, 1847
In Monrovia, "Governor Roberts" visits the
Jamestown. This should be Joseph Jenkins Roberts, child of a
freed Virginian slave, who immigrated to Liberia and rose to prominence
as a business person and government official. As governor, he
asked the Liberian legislature to declare independence, which it did,
then was elected the first president shortly before this visit to the
Jamestown. Actually, in November, 1847, he would have been
President Elect Roberts in today's US terminology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Jenkins_Roberts
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_075_0.jpg
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8) 8) 8)
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Gina, from the Archives, has confirmed that there is no record of December 7, 1847 in the logbook.
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Remind me again, what is the policy of putting text into the weather
observation tab instead of the event tab? Seems like when the ship is
in port they will record the wind direction, temp, and weather
description all in sentence form.
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Don't write the sentence. Enter each piece of weather data
from the sentence as if it had been put in a box in a table. Same
rules apply, including use of dropdowns and TWYS if they come up with
something creative.
Can you give me an example link?
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Remind
me again, what is the policy of putting text into the weather
observation tab instead of the event tab? Seems like when the ship is in
port they will record the wind direction, temp, and weather description
all in sentence form.
There is quite a bit of discussion on the subject in this thread ;)
Here is a good starting point: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3513.msg68251#msg68251
also: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3513.msg68861#msg68861
Since
we are no longer on nautical days, am/pm is optional. Philip cannot get
the hour from the position of the entry, but normally he can
distinguish am from pm.
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Porto Praya, Cape Verde - 17 December, 1847:
The Brig Almena, arrived from Buena Vista.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_083_1.jpg
Possibly:
July
18: Bay State and California Mining Company Brig Almena, 175 tons,
built 1835 in Scituate, Massachusetts. Sailed from Boston, January 26,
1849 under the command of Captain Lincoln with 35 passengers. She
arrived 172 days later after a stop at Valparaiso. She began trading in
the Sandwich Islands, and ultimately wrecked.
Porto Praya, Cape Verde - 18 December, 1847:
Communicated with the ship Heroine 30 days from Fair Haven bound to the Pacific.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_084_0.jpg
Probably: http://www.nmdl.org/aowv/whvoyage.cfm?VesselNumber=1597
Porto Praya, Cape Verde - 21 December, 1847:
American Brig Potomac - Arrived
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_085_1.jpg
Probably: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Potomac_%281822%29
http://www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/cruise-of-the-united-states-frigate-potomac/
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Royal Navy ships and officers:
The West African Squadron and slave trade (http://www.pdavis.nl/Background.htm#WAS)
The Slave Trade (http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Gazette/Slave_Trade/Slave_Trade2.html)
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At
10.50 a number of officers and men came on board from the Boxer to
witness punishment. At 11 called all hands and punished Hendrick
Hellison and Thomas Martin with the Cats the former with 48 and the
latter with 24 lashes in accordance with the sentence of the Court
Martial.
I'm not sure if these two men are from Boxer or Jamestown.
It must have been serious. I had never seen more than 12 lashes before.
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Danny252
Welcome to the top 12 !
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Zovacor passes the 1500 mark!
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Zovacor passes the 2000 mark!
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I think I'm going to set myself a new goal for a while. I'm going to
try to break into the top 12 for all ships (that are still
transcribing), just to explore what else is out there.
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;D
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Sounds like a weird strategy to me. But whatever floats your boat, I guess.
Me, I prefer to choose one ship and stay on it until it's all done.
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I tend to get confused if I change ships :-[, but it doesn't seem to bother Silvia ;D
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Zovacor passes the 2500 mark!
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Alaska's boring. Back to 1840s East Africa!
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Zovacor passes the 3000 mark!
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Zovacor passes the 4000 mark!
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593 this ship is off West not east Africa. Sadly things were usually
pretty slow out in real life, but the weather is warmer.
540
speaking of the mention of "gum elastic" soldiers sometimes made
reference to their "gum blankets" the name for rubber back then which
helped keep them dry when it rained.
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Yup, I read that later. Meant West Africa but was thinking East Atlantic and I got my wires crossed when typing.
Just finished the logbook ending 7/30/1848! Probably the third and final transcription, so put that one to rest.
Saw
the cover slip on the next logbook (7/30/1848 - 8/15/1849). It was
photographed exactly 2 years ago and that book is 4 of 69! Long way to
go....
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I thought I saw a place to post artwork found within the
logbooks. The search function on the forum isnt working for me.
So, I will add it here and hope it gets moved to the right place:
http://www.oldweather.org/transcriptions/546579323f2fd82bc8006ed8/edit
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I
thought I saw a place to post artwork found within the logbooks.
The search function on the forum isnt working for me. So, I will add it
here and hope it gets moved to the right place:
http://www.oldweather.org/transcriptions/546579323f2fd82bc8006ed8/edit
oh dear that link did not work for me :(
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I
thought I saw a place to post artwork found within the logbooks.
The search function on the forum isnt working for me. So, I will add it
here and hope it gets moved to the right place:
http://www.oldweather.org/transcriptions/546579323f2fd82bc8006ed8/edit
oh dear that link did not work for me :(
That's the link for your private editing - we need to post the .jpg link of the page scan here. See Posting Links and Images (A Guide) (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=536.0) for how to do both pages and other online pictures, etc.
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I
thought I saw a place to post artwork found within the logbooks.
The search function on the forum isnt working for me. So, I will add it
here and hope it gets moved to the right place:
http://www.oldweather.org/transcriptions/546579323f2fd82bc8006ed8/edit
You need to use the jpg link, not the edit link.
You can post it here (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4249.0)
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Here should be the correct link to the file:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_002_1.jpg
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That is an amazing page - and they respected the art by never
filling in the officers' names! I'm posting it for now in The
Letters and Art of Old Weather
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1616.msg97827#msg97827),
tho others may find a better location for it.
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There is, and I copied it ;)
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Zovacor passes the 5000 mark!
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_132_0.jpg
Called
all hands to Muster, the Capt'n reprimanded the crew for the luberly +
slovenly Manner of performing their duties in getting the ship underway.
:o :o
(Perhaps the captain should have mentioned something about spelling too)
More than just reprimands:
Called
all hands to witness punishment, when Albert Kermier, Thos. Burns, Geo.
Smith (O.S) and Wm Gilmartin (Lds.) for "Neglect of duty were punished;
the 1'st two with a dozen each, with the cats, the 3'rd with 9, and the
4'th with one dozen with the Boys Cats.
Wm
Savage and Jas. F. Gilson (Lds) received the former one dozen with the
cats for stealing a Jackett, and the latter 6 with the same instrument,
for losing one_
I've got my suspicions about how Gilson lost his jacket...
One doz. with the Colt, was given to Thos. Malone (O.S) for Neglecting to obey the orders of Lieut. Watkins_
And don't forget:
Exercised the Fore Royal Yard Men, at sending up and down the Royal Yard.
Exercised the Main + Mizzen Royal yardmen, sending up and down their Royal yards.
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Stewart Thornton and John Basco, (Lds) each received one dozen with the Cats, for jumping ship on the Deck.
Antonio DeCruz (Sea) five with the Cats, for negligently letting a marline spike fall from aloft.
Thos. Burns O.S. one dozen with ditto. for insolence to the Boats'n.
Chalkley Thorne (O.S.) nine with ditto for obscene and profane language
Manuel
P Martin and Charles Williams (Lds.) for neglect of duty and
disobedience of Orders_ Received, the former nine and the latter twelve
with the Cats_
Not entirely sure about "jumping ship on the Deck"
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_145_1.jpg
From 8 to Meridian. Variable winds from the Nd. + Ed. and Sd. + Wd.
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Now THAT is extremely variable!!! ::) ;D
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Zovacor passes the 6000 mark!
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Its time to party like its 1849! If 1848 could be summed up in a
single word, it would be...pleasant. Sometimes it was nice, sometimes
squally, but mostly just pleasant. Happy to say we ended the year in
civilized Cadiz and not the forlorn isles West of Africa. 1848 saw the
ol' Cat' frequently meting out punishment for liquor, absenteeism, and
pugilism...good times. Noted the passing of President John Quincy Adams,
and only 6 months or so after the unfortunate event; it is amazing how
communications have improved since the 1820s! Onward to calmer waters
and likely continued pleasant weather. My resolution for 1849 is to
finally figure out how to get consistent readings out of that
barometer...
Cmmdr. Mercer
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;D 8)
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barometer :o :o :o
Oh, boy! What excitement I have to look forward to! ;D
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Zovacor passes the 7000 mark!
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Punished
John Smith 2'nd (Seaman) with 12 lashes with the Cats for stealing
liquor from the Commodores store room by means of False Keys.
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Now that is the worst criminality - doing what is most certain to get caught!!
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d0cent
Welcome to the top 12 !
;D
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_183_0.jpg
Note that for Observed and D.R. latitude and longitude North (e.g., 27.06.36 North) and West are sometimes written out.
The software does not process the words correctly, so just use N (e.g., 27.06.36 N) and W.
(a minor exception to TWYS ;))
For the "At Sea" at the top of the page, the Location Type is Place Name.
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Very interesting:
Eleven Years in the U.S. Navy: The Strange Saga
of Robert Shorter
(http://www.blackpast.org/perspectives/eleven-years-u-s-navy-strange-saga-robert-shorter#sthash.uNkbcfDH.dpuf)
...
The
eleven years Robert Shorter served in the U.S. Navy tell us much about
the profound change affecting him and all black sailors during the Civil
War. Shorter served on the sloop-of-war DECATUR throughout that
ship?s commission in the Pacific Squadron, 1854-1859, and continued to
serve in the Navy during the Civil War, first on the frigate BRANDYWINE,
and then on the steamer FAHKEE, through the war?s end in 1865.
His experience is typical of many free black men whose skills on
warships under sail earned him a responsible antebellum position, only
to lose ground because of the ascendancy of steam-powered warships and
seagoing prejudice against unskilled black sailors, often escaped or
recently freed slaves or ?contraband? as they were often called
...
When
he joined the DECATUR?s crew, Shorter was ranked as a seaman, an
aristocrat of skill on the Navy?s sailing warships. A seaman was
the highest ranked crewmember, just below the petty officers who were
chosen from among the most experienced seamen. Men classified as
?seamen? were required to have served at least four years at sea and
were also certified meaning they had passed an examination of their
seagoing abilities. Shorter exhibited mastery of the dozens of
specialized skills on board a mid-century sailing ship, everything from
tying intricate knots to setting and taking in sail to firing the ship?s
carronades and fighting with small arms.
...
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Yes - it confirms the sad things that have happened.
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d0cent passes the 250 mark!
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When the Jamestown is in port, there is typically one weather report
for a 4 hour or so period of time with the wind direction and strength
in the first sentence and the temperature and pressure in the last
sentence. For lack of additional information, I have been entering
all data in the first hour listed. I suspect that this may not be
correct but I have decided to at least be consistent. However,
here may be proof that I am incorrect. Note that the Meridian
temperature is 77, but the "Meridian to 4 PM" value is 73.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_163_1.jpg
Should
I be using the last full hour of the period (e.g. 3:00 would be
73)? I dont really want to go back and correct all my values, but I
want to correct and I also want to be consistent with other folks.
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Philip has asked us to use the end time of the watch.
"Meridian to 4 PM" would be 4PM
See these two posts for more details:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3513.msg67083#msg67083
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3513.msg67981#msg67981
Note that at the time these examples were done Jamestown was on nautical days, so the page starts with 1PM and ends at noon.
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Thanks for pointing that out. I can do that moving forward, but any advice about how to rectify all my past entries?
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Rule of thumb, if the date or only location are not involved and the WRs are not badly screwed
up, let the past be water under the bridge and correct the
future. That includes this. There are 2 other transcribers
for all you pages who can do it right.
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Zovacor passes the 8000 mark!
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Note that in 1848:
23 Sept comes before 22 Sept.
::)
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kimma001
Welcome to the top 12 !
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Wooohooo!!! - well done Kimma001!
;D
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d0cent passes the 500 mark!
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07/10/1848 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_038_0.jpg
Received fresh provisions for the crew, containing 205 lbs. of Beef and 205 lbs of Vegetables.
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Some questions on this page:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_043_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_043_0.jpg)
Do I need to include 'AM' and 'PM' for the records transcribed from the tabular section of the page?
Do
I take the wind force and weather description from the comments after
they're under way and add them to the corresponding end-of-watch entries
from the table?
Thanks!
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Do I need to include 'AM' and 'PM' for the records transcribed from the tabular section of the page?
No,
as long as the page starts at midnight with noon in the middle and your
boxes are in the right order, the computer will assign the default am
first then pm for you.
Do
I take the wind force and weather description from the comments after
they're under way and add them to the corresponding end-of-watch entries
from the table?
Use
anything in the comments that is not included in the WR columns.
If "pleasant" is just listed once for a watch, I myself would only add
to the end-of-watch record. But the column readings take
precedence.
:)
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Reminder:
If you come across a mention of trades, trade winds, etc. see http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3513.msg68861;topicseen#msg68861
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Got it. I did see one of these recently and entered 'trades' as a direction.
Thanks!
Reminder:
If you come across a mention of trades, trade winds, etc.
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For Hawse and Hawse clear, see OWpedia (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3209.0) ;)
You
may also find Terms found in US log books
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3715.0) and Sail and Wind
Powered Sailing Terms
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3515.0) useful.
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_048_1.jpg:
Received fresh Beef and vegetables for the crew_
Recd. from the Store Ship Erie the following articles Viz. 2095 lbs of Bread. 20 doz. Mustard. 24 doz. Pepper.
Recd. from the Erie Store Ship 1905 lbs Bread
10 Pea Jackets. Two Boxes of Tea. 15 Mattrasses
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_057_0.jpg
Recd.
in the Pursers Department the following articles Viz. 3 Bbls. + 1 Bag
of rice. 3 Bbls. Sugar. 2 Kegs of Butter and 114 galls. Molasses
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Randi passes the 6000 mark!
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Thanks!
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Randi - I don't know how you do that AND keep us all in good order WELL DONE!!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Thank you!
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December 21, 1848 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_075_1.jpg)
Funchal Roads, Madiera
From
4 to 8 A.M. [...] at 8 hoisted the ensign at half mast as a
mark of respect to the memory of Commod. Jas. Biddle.
Commodore
Biddle died October 1 in Philadelphia (per Wikipedia), so this would
appear to illustrate the pace of news travel for them.
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kimma001 passes the 250 mark!
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d0cent passes the 750 mark!
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Woot, I'm now only 10,000 shy of the Captain...
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Based on discussions with Philip, the 1am and 6am wind directions would be entered as Calm.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_089_0.jpg
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Thanks for confirming- that's what I've been doing but there's a lot of nuance to some of these logs.
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Jamestown (1844) is indeed complicated.
If you are not sure about something, don't hesitate to ask ;)
That is in part the purpose of this topic!
(It also warns Philip about possible problems.)
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Finished a logbook! It ended August 15, 1849, in Smyrna.
The next logbook goes until May 11, 1850, which seems much shorter than the one I just completed.
I'm adding this page in the next logbook to the Art of Old Weather, but thought I'd be worth sharing here to.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol005of067/vol005of067_002_1.jpg
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I moved the page to The Letters, Humor, and Art of Old Weather Logbooks (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4249.0)
The Letters and Art of Old Weather is for transcribers contributions ;)
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Sept. 2, 1849. Constantinople. The moon underwent a partial eclipse from 6-8 PM.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol005of067/vol005of067_012_0.jpg
I've added a similar note to the Natural Phenomena thread.
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Zovacor passes the 9000 mark!
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d0cent passes the 1000 mark!
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Zovacor passes the 10,000 mark!
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It's April, 1849, and she's in Palermo, Sicily. The last few days
have seen the receipt of several trunks and bags of valuables from the
Consul, so off to Wikipedia to find out this is near the end of the
Sicilian Revolution of 1848. Interesting enough, but this has to be one
of the strangest flags I've ever seen.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Bandiera_dello_Stato_della_Sicilia_%2828.04.1848_-_15.05.1849%29.PNG
Caption: Flag used by Sicilian Separatists
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Wiki says that's the winged head of Medusa in the hub, used by
Sicily since 1282 - extremely attention-getting choice of symbols.
Interesting.
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My Google-fu is pretty strong today, and I found out all sorts of neat things about the history of that intriguing flag.
1st
off, Janet's right about the winged head of medusa dating back to the
Sicilian Vespers in 1282. The use of the symbol itself, while only
speculative, seems to have come about from a combination of both the
rebels rejection of the Anjou rule over the island, and symbolic of the
protective element long established by the symbol itself (the goddess
Athena wore the likeness of Medusa on her Aegis). In a strange turn of
irony, during World War I, the French had ceremonial uniform belts that
included likenesses of the winged Medusa head on their bronze belt
buckles.
The wheat ears in triskelion seem to be symbolic of
Sicily's agricultural heritage, which couples well with the yellow half,
which is representative of Corleone, which was a renowned agricultural
area during the medieval period.
There are two schools of thought
regarding the leg triskelion (or more accurately the trinacria),
apparently. I have an opinion which supports the leading thought, and
expands on why it has taken the form of actual legs, but I'll save that
for the end of this section. The leading thought is that the triskelion,
in general, is representative of Sicily's roughly triangular shape. The
second thought is that the triskelion represents the three valli of
Sicily, back when it was governed by Muslim rule, and the island was
split into three administrative districts.
My own personal
thought is that as the triskele has been considered a symbol of Sicily
for thousands of years, when Sicily was a Greek colony beyond the
Aegean, and according to Pliny the Elder, was taken as a symbol because
of the island's triangular shape, and that each leg represented the
promontory points, and each was given a name, Pelorus, Pachynus, and
Lilybaeum. This is given further credence in that Punta del Faro,
Sicily's northeastern promontory, was called cape Pelorus, likely named
after what is essentially the first known maritime navigational aid and
precursor to the modern compass (which in turn was named thus after
Hannibal's pilot, although the tool itself predates Pelorus the man by
several hundred years). Pachynus was the Latin name of the southeastern
promontory, now known as Capo Passero, and thus the second leg of the
trinacria is called Pachynus. The third leg is called Lilybaeum, which
was the Latin name of the Carthaginian city of Lilybaion (the town which
looks at Libya), upon the ruins of which the modern city of Marsala now
sits, on the westernmost coastline. All of these things, when combined
together point toward the three legs of the trinacria being
representative of the island's shape. Taking the appearance of legs,
however, seems (to me) to be a bit of humor at the literal meaning of
the word triskele - three-legged - replacing the far more common triple
spiral pattern of the Mycenaean and Gaulish triskelion (perhaps
intentionally done as a rejection of the French, in it's modern form,
although the trinacria itself is nearly as old as there has been
civilization established upon the island, so that's more than a bit
unlikely, but a fun bit of speculation).
The thing that surprises
me the most after my little google-fu session here is how widespread
the triskele design, in general, is on a global scale. Triple spiral
designs are seen in virtually every part of the world as early as the
Neolithic. I have a completely speculative theory that this may actually
be, at least in part, directly *because* of the Neolithic period. If
anyone else here has ever attempted to recreate ancient stone tools, you
may (or may not) have noticed that one of the ways to do double duty
work of removing large sections of stone, while simultaneously
reinforcing weaker sections to prevent unintentional breakage, is to do
so in sort of trihedral chunks, which kind of end up imprinting a
triskele pattern into the edges, where material gets flaked off. I can't
help but wonder if this sort of technique ended up getting ingrained
into different civilizations' psyches, and perhaps this is where that
symbol comes from?
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I like those last thoughts, gives a common source for a common pattern. :)
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April 27, 1849
Palermo, Sicily
From 8 to Meridian
The Neapolitan Fleet Blockading.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_139_0.jpg
They
arrived off the harbor the previous day. Craig posted some of the
subsequent events - two years ago. Seems we need to pick up the
transcribing pace a bit. ;)
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3513.msg71476;topicseen#msg71476
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You, d0cent, and I are sharing the third stream ;)
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Ah yes, the war of the the two Sicilies, I remember that.
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kimma001 passes the 500 mark!
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May 29, 1849
Spezzia
From 8 to Meridian.
Painted inside with a dry brush.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_155_0.jpg
From 4 to 8 P.M.
Exercised 1st Division at one hand clapping.
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I'm missing something somewhere :-[
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Nah, just me being wayyyyy too oblique. ;)
I'm missing something somewhere :-[
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I found that rather confusing too. Next time, please make the joke more obvious - like by using this emoticon: ;)
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I got it - painting with a dry brush has to be about as useful as clapping with one hand. ::)
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I was actually going for the Zen 'What is the sound of one hand clapping' played against 'Painting with a dry brush'...
A swing and a miss! :o ::) :-[
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ahhhh sorry. Don't have enough zen in our lives. ;)
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Someone "painting with a dry brush" sounds like a euphemism for
idiocy or insanity along the lines of "playing without a full deck of
cards."
Looks like we are at 30 percent! Good job third stream! I'm at March 1, 1850, so it looks like you are catching up.
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Dry brush painting exists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drybrush
There is more information about painting walls etc., but most of the links are from paint companies.
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June 28, 1849
Naples
From 8 to Midnight. Light airs from with nauseable odors from shore. :o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_170_0.jpg
Should I make that the 'weather' entry? ;)
Same comment the next watch, but a little more legible and without the strike-through...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_170_1.jpg
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Makes you wonder a bit about Naples in that age - they usually did not log city odors.
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Maybe Mt Vesuvius was burping out gases?
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Definitely not Vesuvius or Etna, nor Stromboli (surprisingly,
honestly, given that it's been continuously active for nearly 2,000
years), Pantelleria, nor Vulcano.
In all honesty, it seems that,
given that it's 1849, and Naples has been focusing on more important
things (like not being razed by the French/Austrians/Spanish/etc.) it's
most probable that it's simply the city itself being a bit more...
fragrant, than the modern city we know (which is pretty dirty by modern
standards). It's an absolutely lovely city, but imagine nearly a million
people (estimating here, as I'm having trouble finding census data for
the period, most likely due to the revolutions taking place) crammed
together in a pretty small area that's occupied by foreign armies, near
the end of a year long war.
Sanitation takes a back seat to
imminent survival, and our offended noses and watering eyes are the
unfortunate victims in this case.
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That is probably exactly what they are talking about - they are usually precise about volcanic emissions.
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July 30-31, 1849
At sea, out of Trieste
From 4 to 6 [PM] The report of heavy artillery heard in the direction of Venice.
From 6 to 8 [PM] firing of heavy guns heard
From 8 to Midnight. heard heavy firing of guns, bearing WNW (Bombardment of Venice)
Commences heavy firing of guns heard during the watch in the direction of Venice
From 4 to 8 A.M. the report of artillery heard in the direction of Venice
Quite a prolonged shelling. :-\
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_186_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_186_1.jpg
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Sounds like it was this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_San_Marco
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This would undoubtedly have been simply part of the siege of Venice,
which, from a military standpoint, is one of the most pivotal moments
in history (although it has absolutely nothing to do with the night of
the 30th/morning of the 31st, aside from being a part of the same
siege). While the amount of shelling into Venice is absolutely mind
boggling (60,000 cannonballs over the course of about a week at one
point in late May), the Habsburg siege of Venice has another significant
historic claim.
On July 15, the Austrian forces under the
command of artillery Lieutenant Franz von Uchatius, sat aboard the
Austrian war steamer "Vulcan", tying bombs to paper balloons of
Uchatius' own design (either 2 or 200, depending on whether you take von
Uchatius' word, or the word of Lee Kennett, respectively). These
balloons were released to float over the city of Venice, where a timed
fuse would drop their payloads into the city, so long as the winds
remained favorable.
According to von Uchatius, the two he
released worked quite well, but he was unable to continue the
bombardment as his ship was in need of repairs, and withdrew from the
siege after only the two proved his concept viable. Von Uchatius goes on
to say that his story can be verified by the captain of the British
brig "HMS Frolic", who was near enough to view his bombing experiment,
as well as the reactions of the terrified Venetian people.
Kennett's
story is a bit different, not only in number of balloons, but also in
the efficacy of the bombardment, and the outcome of the experimentation.
He had stated that the 200 balloons were caught by unexpectedly fast
winds as they climbed above 5000 fathoms, sailed beyond the city, and
dropped mostly harmlessly on the mainland. I say mostly, as Kennett also
states that several of the bombs exploded in the midst of the Austrian
infantry encampment on the mainland side of Venice.
The truth of
the matter is probably somewhere in between both stories, although it
likely is closer to von Uchatius' account for any number of reasons,
including the fact that he was actually there, whereas Kennett wasn't
born until nearly 100 years afterward.
Either way, this was the
first aerial bombardment of any kind in human history, and is a rather
significant event. The city of Venice wouldn't see another bombardment
until May 24th 1915.
Edited for spelling.
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I do 5 minutes of Wikipedia reading and post a link, and you do a
lot of research (I'm guessing at least 20 minutes) and post a whole
history essay. ::)
Guess I'll stick to superfast transcribing.
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Short and long research are both pleasant in their own way,
Hanibal. Some like all the detail a lot, others prefer short and
terse. The important thing is to write it out in a way the gives
the writer pleasure. History and background stories are never a
contest.
I personally like both, reading HatterJack to get his slant and skimming your Wiki article to see the pictures.
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Was about an hour's worth of research, but I'm stuck at work without
a lot else going on, and it was pretty interesting. I actually started
with your wiki link, and just kind of fell into the time vortex. Just
think of me as a long-winded companion to your Doctor :D
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Both are helpful, and without the Wiki link there might not have been an essay.
Post a Wiki link anytime you want to!
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USS Jamestown
August 3, 1849
Adriatic Sea, south of Brindisi
Commences A brig on the lee Bow.
From
4 to 8 AM. The Brig that was to leeward, crossed our bows,
and hoisted a British Ensign and pendant, Got the two Bow Guns aft to
the Mainmast. Trying our sailing with the Brig, (HBM Brig Racer) at 8
dropped the Brig
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_188_0.jpg
The race is on? ;)
For
a bit more on HBM Brig Racer: History Gone By the Board
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4388.msg113929#msg113929)
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August 4, 1849
Called all hands to witness punishment,
& punished Peter Clark (Sea) 12 lashes with the Cats for insolence
to the Boatswain & saying that the Officer of the Deck might kiss
his...
(http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp29/rcl111/Misc/aug4_1849_zpste1lslyy.png)
The penciled-in pointing finger is a nice touch, I do hope it's contemporary. ;)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_188_1.jpg
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:o ;D :-X
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kimma001 passes the 1000 and 1500 marks!
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The log has 'Paraimo' for the location here:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_191_0.jpg
...and says 'Paraino' in the comments here:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_190_1.jpg
They're
somewhere near Athens (mentioned bearings to the Peak of Egina and the
"Accopalis"), but I can't find Paraimo/Paraino anywhere as a Greek place
name. I'm pretty sure they mean Palaio, just down the coast a bit from
Athens. I'll TWYS, but heads up for the editors.
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There is also a Phalerum Bay (Phaleron Bay)
http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~3139~440041
Ormos Falirou: http://www.geonames.org/262518/ormos-falirou.html
That may be the same as Palaio?
:-\ :-\ :-\
Perhaps not quite: http://www.geonames.org/256075/palaio-faliro.html
::)
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August 12, 1849
Doro Passage
From 6 to 8. [PM] Fresh breezes and passing squalls,?Beating through the Doro Passage.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol004of067/vol004of067_192_1.jpg
It
may not have been an easy trip: History Gone By the Board
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4388.msg113986#msg113986)
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Having gotten bored with the Concord's monotony, I have taken the plunge and joined this ship.
I know she has very odd formats, but I have reviewed this topic and believe I can handle it.
Just wanted to mention/ask: On this page, she starts taking "Air" temperatures.
The example in the Reference topic has that column transcribed as Dry, so I will do that unless told otherwise.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol005of067/vol005of067_007_1.jpg
Oh,
and for the text-only bits (previous pages and morning of the above
one) I transcribed the single temperature as "Ther Attached" because
they just called it "Ther".
But now that I see them using only the Dry value, I might have been wrong. Sorry.
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One more thing: For logbook 5, the crew keep switching back and
forth between using the grid and going freehand - sometimes even on the
same page!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol005of067/vol005of067_012_0.jpg
Keep a very good eye out for this, fellow transcribers - I've already missed a few WR and had to go back and add them in later.
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They use the grid format when they're at sea, the comments when in
port, and both on the same page when coming and going. It keeps you on
your toes! :D
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Yes, I found it very stimulating. I was also recording the written
weather comments such as wind direction and strength, etc. Philip
doesn't require this when they are in the remarks but I thought that it
could be useful for other potential users. However, I'm not sure that I
would do it now if I came back to this ship.
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So far, all temperatures are Dry. From what I have seen, that is the case for some time to come.
Now
can see why I had things like "Nd {+}{Space}", Sd {+}{Space}, Ed{Tab},
Wd{Tab}, Northd{Tab}, Southd{Tab}, etc. in my AHK script ;)
Soon your drop-downs will be filled with things like light airs, fresh breezes, pleasant, and passing clouds ;D
Hi
Craig! Recording the wind strength and weather description isn't so bad
--- except when you get first part of watch/last part of watch or the
remarks conflict with the grid.
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I agree it's not so bad, Randi. But you know me - always trying to
optimize utility. It's more a question of a bird in the hand is worth
two in the bush. Some future data user might want to work with these
data but transcribing it takes time that could be used for data that
will definitely be used by Philip.
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I've been entering the info as such: N'd+E'd (or whatever the
direction may be). I've ignored all the "pleasant" weather entries
because it rarely seems like it isn't pleasant, so I don't think there
is much value in that description. When at port the entries
spanning 4 hours should be entered as the final hour of that timespan,
so "Commences until 4 AM" should be entered as 4, etc through the day.
I, like Hanibal, don't transcribe the daily non-weather goings on;
trying to decipher what is written is challenging especially when it is a
long list of floggings and sail trimming. But I find these logs to be
fairly easy to enter and fairly predictable in their format, but not
mindless or speedy for sure.
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I love reading all the events!
This log got me reading Two Years Before the Mast.
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September 14, 1849
Constantinople
From 8 to Meridian.
At 12 hoisted the Turkish at the Fore. Manned the yards, and fired a salute of 21 guns, as the Sultan passed going to Mosque.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol005of067/vol005of067_018_0.jpg
Manning
the yards was a pretty big deal! For more on the Sultan: History Gone
By the Board
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4388.msg114033#msg114033)
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October 14, 1849
Alexandria, Egypt
Sent on shore 10 lbs of Priming Powder for the use of the Consul General.
Whatever for? ???
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol005of067/vol005of067_033_0.jpg
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I should add that I do appreciate that others are reading the events
with a finer eye. It is fascinating to think about what is going on (or
alluded to) if you take the time to stop and reflect on it.
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October 14, 1849
Alexandria, Egypt
Sent on shore 10 lbs of Priming Powder for the use of the Consul General.
Whatever for? ???
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol005of067/vol005of067_033_0.jpg
At
a guess, it's probably tied to the death of Muhammad Ali. John Murray,
the British Consul to Egypt at the time reflected that his funeral was
rather unfitting a man of his status and for the scale of his
accomplishments. The various western Consuls would likely have wanted
the powder for gun salutes. Purely speculation on my part, but the
timeframe is reasonable, as Muhammad Ali had died only two months
earlier.
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I
should add that I do appreciate that others are reading the events with
a finer eye. It is fascinating to think about what is going on (or
alluded to) if you take the time to stop and reflect on it.
Yes, some of these events are quite interesting, and I like it when other people post about them.
But I still don't have the patience to transcribe them myself - especially when the ship's handwriting is as bad as this one's.
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At
a guess, it's probably tied to the death of Muhammad Ali. John Murray,
the British Consul to Egypt at the time reflected that his funeral was
rather unfitting a man of his status and for the scale of his
accomplishments. The various western Consuls would likely have wanted
the powder for gun salutes. Purely speculation on my part, but the
timeframe is reasonable, as Muhammad Ali had died only two months
earlier.
Sounds like a plausible explanation.
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October 26, 1849
Valetta
From 8 to Meridian. Received a load of sand and Holystones.
...and there was much rejoicing.
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They were brought to their knees
(http://www.navy.mil/navydata/traditions/html/navyterm.html#holystone)
at the reception of such a blessing.
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I'm suddenly very happy I'm not the only person who has that
bookmarked for people. Also that whole "some nautical terminology has
found its way into everyday use" thing makes me chuckle every time I
read it. I think people would be surprised by just how much informal
English is derived from 17th-early 20th century naval jargon.
I
still like that "son of a gun" is an old (like, really really old) navy
reference that people don't really get, because of the assumption that
there weren't many women on ships. Just because they weren't being paid
(by the crown...) to be there doesn't mean they weren't aboard.
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http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4104.0 ;)
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October 15, 1849
Alexandria, Egypt
From Meridian to 4. Passd. Midspn. E Y McCauley reported for a passage to the squadron.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol005of067/vol005of067_033_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol005of067/vol005of067_033_1.jpg)
The
McCauley family had quite a Naval history: History Gone By the Board
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4388.msg114164#msg114164)
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OK, I've run up against this one now. I've read through the old
thread, but still aren't sure what to do with these double, not to
mention inconsistent, temperature records. Any current thoughts? Extra
entry? Coin flip?
They are beginning to report two temperatures on an irregular basis but they label them both "Ther". See 4 AM and midnight.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol005of067/vol005of067_062_1.jpg
It
has been about 2 years since they stopped recording sea temperature.
Should we assume that the first is air and the second is sea?
... and following.
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I'd suggest going with:
I
went back and reviewed a number of pages and I think choosing the
temperature following the pressure for Dry gives the most reasonable
results. When there are two, the one preceding the pressure is almost
always higher and the one following the pressure is the most consistent
with the surrounding single temperature readings. I think in cases where
there are inconsistencies the log keeper probably confused the two. (I
noted that he recorded a pressure as 39-point-something at one point.
The "39" was the same as the temperature).
If you agree, I can go back and enter the one preceding the pressure (when there are two) as Ther Attached. It may not necessarily be "attached" but Philip can decide if he wants to use it or ignore it.
but coin flip sounds good too.
I suspect they have pretty good temperature records for Genoa, so it probably isn't worth worrying too much :(
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The 2013 answer from Philip is:
... Should we assume that the first is air and the second is sea?
Philip says he doesn't know but to go ahead with that assumption.
The
other thing is, I don't think they had good attached thermometers until
a little later than this. Measuring sea temp would have been
relatively easy. Also, if 2 thermometers were mounted in front of
them every day, recording both would happen more often. Therefore
going with the sea temp makes more sense to me.
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I saw that, but after reading the rest of Craig's comments and
Kevin's comment, that did not seem to be the correct assumption.
Also, most ships don't record sea temperatures when in port.
As Philip has said before, just make your best guess :-\
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As Philip has said before, just make your best guess :-\
I will do that. ;)
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As Philip has also said, guess exuberantly. :)
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I think I will do what Craig suggested: If, and only if, there are two temperatures, enter the one preceding the pressure as Ther Attached.
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I think it's going to take more than three transcribers to get a set
of three matching transcriptions for these pages. :D
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That's why Philip has human analysts to look for things. :)
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Well, Philip has also said that if he gets different answers he will know it was not obvious ;D
That's why Philip has human analysts to look for things. :)
Yup! Computers aren't going to put us out of work on Jamestown ::)
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Now they've changed to having the first temperature be the highest one - see first entry here:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol005of067/vol005of067_082_1.jpg
I
have decided to do this: If there are two temperatures, I will
transcribe the higher one as Ther Attached, regardless of wheter it is
on the left or right of the pressure value.
This makes the most sense
because the lower of the two is always a lot closer to the single temps
(ones that are definitely Dry) in terms of value.
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We are all guessing here Hanibal, go for it. In many ways, the
original log keepers were still on a learning curve recording weather.
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I'm with Janet - go for it.
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OK, they've stopped recording temperatures and pressures in the
pure-text sections (when in port - they still record it all at sea).
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_003_0.jpg
I don't record the wind directions and weather codes because these are typically very vague - too vague for computers, IMO.
So
maybe I should leave these pages for those who record events, because
there's nothing I would transcribe except the date - or maybe I should
just keep going, since I already skipped through the events parts of
many other pages too.
(And yes, I am well aware of how they are now putting 2 days on 1 page)
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If the entire part of the log is something you want to skip, you may
consider just dropping this voyage. You are not going to be
getting that very much.
It is historically too early to give you
all easy codes and numbers. The Beaufort codes for weather were
not adopted formally by the RN until 1832 and his wind strength codes
not until 1838. There is some questions in my mind how long it
took to be taken on by the US Navy, since Beaufort kept adjusting it
until he was satisfied and the US might still be doubting its stability,
and merchant mariners resisted changing to that for decades.
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Silvia wanted to enter temperature and pressure data from the Remarks page when there was no weather grid.
Then
Craig wanted to add wind direction and Philip said " I suggest putting
as much as possible in the weather ob - if there's wind, add it in."
So, for the attached example, I asked if entering "light breezes" and "pleasant" was going too far.
Philip replied
Hi Randi.
I would say put it in - let's capture as much as possible.
I have to remind you that I can't guarantee to analyse it successfully
(we should be able to use the temperature, even if we don't get three
repetitions, but the rest is speculative). But it is great to see it
being captured.
Cheers, Philip
Note that, like transcribing remarks in general, this is entirely optional.
I
am only doing this when there is no weather grid (as here:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_048_0.jpg)
NOTE:
1. The end time of the watch is used.
2. Although only "light" shows in the Force box, I actually entered "light breezes".
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Actually, I got it wrong in my first post - I do record the wind
directions, but only the directions themselves, like "Sd + Ed". I don't
add in bits like "moderate breeezes" or so.
But yeah, I think I
will take Janet's advice and let this ship be for a while. It's just so
confusing, and I got plenty logs left on the Concord.
I should have looked at Randi's post from June 2013 - when I return to this ship, that is exactly how I intend to do it.
My utmost apologies for being too hasty and not checking everything before jumping into the fray.
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You are forgiven!
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No problem. :)
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You are forgiven!
Even though I left out the wind force and weather code on over 2000 WR? Thanks!
P.S.
I just noticed kimma001 and I are no longer in the same stream - he's
done a couple hundred WR recently, but I still get the same page as
before.
This is good!
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This does produce a problem for the analysts, Hanibal, and
deliberately skipping even non-standard weather readings cheats them of
computerized data checks. But it already happened, and is not
worth going back for. The severe irregularity of this ship helps
you here, because it is all going to have to be processed more
carefully.
Let this one go, what's done is done. Please do not repeat it.
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Hanibal94
Welcome to the top 12 !
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Let this one go, what's done is done. Please do not repeat it.
Don't worry - I've definitely learned my lesson, and won't repeat my mistakes.
But
for now, I will focus on the Concord. I think she's a better target
because she always has the pressure and three temperatures (all four,
when at sea) recorded, every hour.
This, in my opinion, means better results for the scientists.
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But
for now, I will focus on the Concord. I think she's a better target
because she always has the pressure and three temperatures (all four,
when at sea) recorded, every hour.
This, in my opinion, means better results for the scientists.
I agree.
I
think that Jamestown 1844's most important contribution may be teaching
us to handle collecting weather data from the remarks. As you say,
there isn't a lot of weather data.
It's a fascinating ship though!
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It crosses paths with Old Ironsides a couple of times (perhaps you
have gotten that far already). I wonder if the logs for it - USS
Constitution - are available?
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It
crosses paths with Old Ironsides a couple of times (perhaps you have
gotten that far already). I wonder if the logs for it - USS Constitution
- are available?
All
I know is, NARA has the logs and is hungry to get the history in them
fully transcribed. Philip says (correctly) they start before
trustworthy weather readings can be gotten (50 years before Jamestown
1844). Americans like me are hungry to get the Constitution's
logs, especially the earliest ones. Kevin says (correctly) she
never much went up into the arctic. Transcribers like you working
on earlier ships that cross her path are hungry to get those logs.
So what are the chances we will get a crack at the Constitution, beginning with her launch in 1797? ;) :)
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May 8, 1850
From 8 to Meridian At 11 Commodore Sloat visited the ship and was saluted with 13 guns which was returned with 7.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol005of067/vol005of067_136_1.jpg
They
haven't been recording the name of the port they're in, but if it's
Commodore John D. Sloat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_D._Sloat) in
1850, it's probably the Norfolk Navy Yard. ;)
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May 11, 1850
Norfolk Navy Yard
From Meridian to 4 At 2.30 crew left ship - ship placed in charge of officers of the Navy Yard.
At sunset hauled down the colors and put ship out of Commission.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol005of067/vol005of067_138_0.jpg
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I've run into a section of two days per page here:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_003_0.jpg
A
forum search turned up the advice to just carry on and enter
"Date-data-data-..." twice for each page. Before I dive into it, is that
still the current wisdom?
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Yes, that is exactly right. date then location and data,
however many times they cram that on. (You should have seen the
page abuse done by some of the British trawler captains of WW1.)
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Yes,
that is exactly right. date then location and data, however many
times they cram that on. (You should have seen the page abuse done
by some of the British trawler captains of WW1.)
How about the time I got 14 days on one page on the Yukon (which was completed long before you joined the project):
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Yukon/Book%201/IMG_4094_1.jpg
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Yes,
that is exactly right. date then location and data, however many
times they cram that on. (You should have seen the page abuse done
by some of the British trawler captains of WW1.)
How about the time I got 14 days on one page on the Yukon (which was completed long before you joined the project):
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Yukon/Book%201/IMG_4094_1.jpg
:o
I guess all they wanted to say was "Today: Weather, all day." Nice details. ::)
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::) ::)
Link? ;D
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::) ::)
Link? ;D
Woops, should've included the quote I was addressing...fixed. :-[
I blame the non-functioning Preview mode. ;)
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Whoops!
Now I understand :-[ ::) :-[ ::) :-[
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I must admit I have found myself EXTREMELY grateful for Firefox's Autofill function.
Without that, this ship would be a hundred times more tedious than it already is.
At least she's at sea now, so they're transcribing pressure and temperature values as well.
Oh, and I think kimma001 and I are in different streams now. That is good - we won't be stepping on each others toes!
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April 22, 1851
Norfolk Navy Yard
From 4 to 8 Sent the Marines on shore to attend the burial of the late Commodore Barron.
From
Mer to 4 At 1.30 fired in company with the Adams &
Pennsylvania 13. minute guns as a mark of respect to the late "Commodore
Barron".
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_004_1.jpg
Commodore
Barron seems an unlikely recipient of such honors: History Gone By the
Board
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4388.msg114668#msg114668)
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With all the extra attention being paid to this old, neglected ship,
I think I am going to move over to the Albatross for some easier
transcribing (although, I just got an old refurbished X-Box, so lets be
honest about where my limited free time is going for a while).
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;D
I'm terribly slow, but I keep working on it. Jamestown 1844 is by far my favorite ship.
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May 17, 1851
Norfolk Navy Yard
From 8 to Mer. Rec'd from the yard "One compass"
I
love how he spelled out 'one', and put it all in quotes, a convention
usually reserved for the names of ships and important persons; very
formal, almost solemn. Appropriate, though, considering how important it
is to the health and well being of the ship and crew. Or maybe he was
just being sarcastic after the hundredth shout of 'Be careful with that
thing, man!'. Now, if they would receive "One thermometer" and "One
barometer" I'd have something to transcribe besides the winds and
weather.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_010_1.jpg
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It does slightly smack of sarcasm doesn't it? ;D
I like
the apparent mistake on beef volumes - is that 228 tbs (i.e.
tablespoons!) of beef (and matching veg) or is that 228 lbs beef (and
matching veg?) They got through that lot for lunch - a new lot (224 etc )
arrived in the evening - presumably they were still digesting tough
beef from the morning? :D
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June 27, 1851
Funchal, Madeira Island
From 4 to
8 Saluted the Flag of Commodore Aulick with 12 guns which
was returned by 9 from the U S Steamer Susquehana
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_027_0.jpg
Commodore
John H. Aulick was at this time the commander of the East India
Squadron, starting its way to Japan. He shortly managed to irritate a
Brazilian diplomat, on board for passage back to Brazil, enough to get a
formal complaint lodged against him with the Department of State. This
resulted in Aulick getting recalled, with Commodore Matthew Perry
receiving command of the squadron and leading its voyage into the
history books.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_H._Aulick
http://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/Aulick_John_H_ca_1791-1873#start_entry
https://archive.org/stream/pottersamericanm03lossuoft#page/290/mode/2up
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July 2, 1851
Funchal, Madeira Island
From 8 to Mer.
At
11.30 Mr. Schenck American Minister to Brazil & Mr. Pendleton
Charge' to the Argentine Republic, & Signor Macedo Brazilian
Minister to the U. States visited the ship & on leaving were saluted
with 17 guns.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_028_1.jpg
Here
we see mention of two of the main players in Aulick's story, Signor
Macedo and Mr. Schenck, visiting the Jamestown before they sailed for
Rio De Janeiro on the Susquehanna. From there, Aulick made it all the
way to Hong Kong before getting notice of his relief, to eventually be
replaced by Perry.
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I got a little trick for transcribing this ship faster:
Since
the wind force and weather code are always given in the text, and
always for 4 hours, I only type it out for the first hour of the batch -
for the rest, I just type dittos in the correct boxes.
So for this
page for example, the 1 - 4 am watch says "moderate breezes, cloudy", so
I typed those out for the 1 am WR, but just entered dittos for 2, 3 and
4 am.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_026_1.jpg
And
if a value stays the same for longer, I just keep entering dittos -
like with this page, they had "moderate breezes" for the wind force all
day long, so I ended up entering 23 dittos for that column altogether.
I know this isn't strictly TWYS - but it's too useful to not do, so I'm gonna keep doing it.
Besides, they put loads of dittos in the wind direction column anyway.
EDIT: Actually, this is a bad idea, and should not be done. See below.
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It's not a good idea Hanibal, especially putting it out where
it gives newbies ideas. I agree this is not skipping to the human
eye, but the computer doesn't know that. Any time one of the other
transcribers makes a typo or misreads a number, your artificial ditto
will contemn that datum to the illegible-discard pile. You are
effectively narrowing the error correction of three transcribers down to
an unstable two real transcribers.
This is one case where a love of speed hurts the science. Slower and correct transcription is better.
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I agree with Janet's comments, and in addition:
Why are you entering it every time?
Philip has said only to enter it for the last hour of the watch.
Thank you Hanibal94!
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Sorry about this mess. I really thought it was a better idea, but if
it leads to unstable results, I will definitely not do it.
Oh,
and I only did it for when she was at sea, and they actually used the
grid to enter 24 WR/day. (See the example in my previous post).
When she's at port and there's only text, I did it the way Philip asked.
Oh,
and one other question: What is to be done when the paragraph of a
watch says "First part so-and-so, second part this-and-that?"
Until
now, I made 2 WR, stuck the last hour of the first half of the watch in
the first WR's hour box, and the last hour of the watch as a whole in
the second WR's hour box.
So for a midnight - 4 am watch, the first WR would have 2 am and the second would have 4 am in the hour box.
Is this a good way to do it?
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The problem with recording all hours is that we don't know when the
change took place. If midnight - 4 am is clear and 4 - 8 is cloudy we
don't know when the transition took place. Filling in clear for 1am,
2am, 3am, and 4am and cloudy for 5am, 6am, 7am, and 8am might be right
but probably isn't. Following Philip's policy of using the end time of
the watch gives consistent data and Philip knows that he needs to
interpret it with a grain of (sea) salt ;)
"So for a midnight - 4 am watch, the first WR would have 2 am and the second would have 4 am in the hour box."
Yes.
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The
problem with recording all hours is that we don't know when the change
took place. If midnight - 4 am is clear and 4 - 8 is cloudy we don't
know when the transition took place. Filling in clear for 1am, 2am, 3am,
and 4am and cloudy for 5am, 6am, 7am, and 8am might be right but
probably isn't. Following Philip's policy of using the end time of the
watch gives consistent data and Philip knows that he needs to interpret
it with a grain of (sea) salt ;)
OK
- so how about I only fill in the stuff from the text for the hour that
is the end of the watch, and for the other hours I only fill in things
from the grid?
I don't want to just discard anything from the grid.
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I normally transcribe the entire grid (all 24 hours) and then I read
through the watches and update 4am, 8am, meridian, 4pm, 6pm, 8pm, and
midnight.
If there is a first part/latter part then I will fill in the appropriate additional hour(s) - like 2am.
I hope this is clear. It is not so easy to put into words.
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I understood it fine.
In a nutshell: Randi and I are doing the exact same thing when transcribing at-sea pages, which is good.
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I understood it fine.
In a nutshell: Randi and I are doing the exact same thing when transcribing at-sea pages, which is good.
Thank you, Hanibal. :)
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Here's a complete list of logs for this ship - I went and compiled
them all by hand, as I tend to do with every ship I work on.
1: 25 Dec 1844 - 13 Apr 1846
2: 14 Apr 1846 - 16 Aug 1846
3: 13 Jul 1847 - 29 Jul 1848
4: 30 Jul 1848 - 15 Aug 1849
5: 16 Aug 1849 - 11 May 1850
6: 15 Apr 1851 - 16 Oct 1852
7: 17 Oct 1852 - 11 May 1854
8: 22 Feb 1855 - 31 Dec 1855
9: 1 Jan 1856 - 25 Jan 1857
11: 16 Dec 1857 - 31 Dec 1858
12: 1 Jan 1859 - 22 Dec 1859
13: 23 Dec 1859 - 14 Feb 1860
14: 5 June 1861 - 23 June 1862
15: 24 June 1862 - 9 July 1863
16: 10 July 1863 - 27 July 1864
17: 28 July 1864 - 17 Sep 1865
Volumes 10 and 18 should be part of this ship as well, but when I tried entering those, I just got error messages.
Oh, and the crew eventually start making full use of the grid:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol017of067/vol017of067_030_0.jpg
I have added this list to the first post of this topic as well.
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8)
'Only' ten years to go for me!
Thanks for compiling this.
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This will be the first - maybe only - ship we see that served in the
US Civil War. Even our histories tend to ignore the war at sea,
so I'm really looking forward to seeing what they were actually
doing.
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Me too! ;D
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Volume 14 looks like where all the action will be. Jamestown was
pretty active in the beginning of the war as a part of the Atlantic
Blockading Squadron as a chaser (which she was incredibly good at, being
a very fast, light, and nimble ship in her prime) before being
dispatched to the Pacific to protect union shipping against privateers
(which wasn't really a thing, as Confederate privateers were smugglers
more often than not, and raiding Union shipping was far more dangerous
than it was worth to attack).
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According to NavalHistory and The Wiki, she did the following before going to the Pacific:
5 August 1861 - Drove bark Alvorado ashore off Fernandina, Fla, and set her on fire.
31 August 1861 - Captured schooner Aigburth off coast of Florida.
4 September 1861 - Captured and scuttled schooner Col. Long.
15 December 1861 - Captured schooner Havelock.
1 May 1862 - Captured brig Intended off Wilmington.
When I get to the respective pages, I'm gonna transcribe each of these events, because they're unique.
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Good! ;D
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I believe this is the first time I came across a pressure value with a fraction - 6 pm, this page.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_052_1.jpg
I entered it as 29.47 1/2. Hope this is OK.
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Very strange. I'm not quite sure it is a fraction, but I don't have any better suggestions.
I would say that what you have done was correct - TWYS + MYBG. Maybe we'll figure out what it is in the future.
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I see a barely readable fraction there as well...
Maybe (since that's a measure expressed in inches) one could just enter 29.475 as for other fractions?
TWYS is always right, anyway...
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I'd say that 29.475 would be correct too.
Fractions are tricky because it is rarely possible to TWYS.
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October 27, 1851
Rio
Broke out the Hold and restowed
provisions; found 81 barrels beef and 29 barrels pork - the Pursers
account of the same being 48 barrels of Beef and 77 barrels of pork _
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_071_1.jpg
I imagine that after some time in those barrels the stuff started to look and taste pretty much the same... :o
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Somebody cheated when doing an inventory. "First barrel in
this row is beef - surely they were stowed right so the 4 behind it are
also beef. Easy written, don't have to crawl across their tops to
read labels on each."
Been there done that, monthly
factory supply inventory plus year end fussy one for the tax
people. Really embarrassing if you had to sign the inventory
sheets and reality proves your laziness to your higher ups. (That
one I avoided doing, just observed the results in others.)
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To say that's an incredible error is a bit of an understatement, but
it may not have been the purser's fault entirely. A lot of the
provision storage could have been done by the ship's cook (and/or his
assistant(s), who may not even have bothered looking at the manifest,
and instead just passed it on to the purser, who was equally lazy and
just signed off on it taking the word of the crewmen loading the stores.
The
bigger problem with the situation, though, isn't the mixup between pork
and beef (honestly, when you've been at sea long enough, eating
basically the same thing every day, it all pretty much tastes the same
without an incredibly good cook with a well-stocked kitchen). The
problem lies in the 15 barrels of assorted meats that is missing
entirely. Assuming a standard wine cask sized barrel, we're talking
close to a ton of food that isn't there to feed the hungry crew. I can't
imagine anyone being terribly pleased finding out that they narrowly
missed several days of meals because *someone* was lazy.
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That form of sloppy label readings almost always also results in
miscounting. It's inevitable. And the lazy label reader will
frequently over estimate because they instinctively want the bosses
pleased with their work. It can be devastating when you promise a
customer delivery on an order you do not have the supplies to produce.
Many people consider taking inventory to be trivial irritating busy work. It is not trivial at all.
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Many people consider taking inventory to be trivial irritating busy work. It is not trivial at all.
Absolutely not trivial, but it sure can be tedious. :P
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Hanibal94 passes the 4000 and 5000 marks!
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kimma001 (Bob) passes the 6000 mark!
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Good news, people - I peeked ahead, and found out that the log book format we're dealing with right now doesn't last.
Starting
with Volume 8 (22 Feb 1855 - 31 Dec 1855), they stick to the grid
- and it stays this way to the very end (I checked all the volumes):
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol008of067/vol008of067_010_1.jpg
I
am very much looking forward to reaching this, because I hate having to
extract info from the text - it slows me down compared to when there's
just the grid, especially if you got some really long description like
"clear with occasional rain and thunder and lightning in the Nd + Ed".
Plus,
the fact that these WR are not complete means I can transcribe the
pages even faster than usual - That's gonna be a big help to my goal to
pass Silvia and become the new Numero Uno!
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I believe this is the first time I came across a pressure value with a fraction - 6 pm, this page.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_052_1.jpg
I entered it as 29.47 1/2. Hope this is OK.
Noon: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_079_1.jpg
I decided to follow your system and do 29.22 1/2
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Noon: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_079_1.jpg
I decided to follow your system and do 29.22 1/2
I'd say that 29.475 would be correct too.
I've been entering these as decimal equivalents... :-\
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OK, I'll go with decimal equivalent ;D
That is probably more in keeping with the rules - faster too!!!
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OK, I'll go with decimal equivalent ;D
That is probably more in keeping with the rules - faster too!!!
Yes, I've switched to decimals too.
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Good!
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Randi passes the 7000 mark!
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Thanks ;D
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Pass around the tea! 8) 8) 8)
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;D ;D
Milk and sugar, please.
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February 23, 1852
Buenos Ayres
From 4 to 8
At 8. hoisted the Spanish Ensign at the Fore in honor of the birth
day of the Queen of Spain's eldest daughter
From 8 to Mer.
At 12 fired a salute of 21 guns in honor of the anniversary of
the birth day of the Queen of Spain's eldest daughter
The
Queen of Spain at this time was Isabella II, and her oldest daughter
was Maria Isabel (Isabella), Princess of Asturias, who was born on
December 20, 1851. The second entry mistakes it as the anniversary of
her birth, probably written out of habit after the Washington's Birthday
entry from the day before.
Here's an interesting tidbit from the Wiki article:
On
February 2, 1852, Isabella II was making a traditional visit to the
church of the Virgin of Atocha, introducing her daughter to the public,
when she was stabbed by a mad priest. The Queen was saved by the
thickness of her corset and the injury was not life-threatening.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_103_1.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Isabella,_Princess_of_Asturias_(1851%E2%80%931931)&redirect=no
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Hanibal94 passes the 6000, 7000 and 8000 marks!
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It's amazing what a man can get done even if he only invests every 2nd day in this ship.
But I wanna finish the Concord and the Patterson before the end of 2015, so I will take a break from this vessel for now.
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March 17, 1852
From 8 to Mer. At 9.40 standing in for the anchorage off St. Catherines.
This would actually be the Ilha de Santa Catarina, near Florianopolis, Brazil.
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4120.msg87081#msg87081
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_112_0.jpg
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April 26, 1852
They say they're at anchor in the roads of
"Pernambuco, Brazil", which is the name of the local Brazilian State,
but appeared to be what the port was called in English language
documents at the time. Based on their mention of the "Bishops Palace,
Olinda" in the comments, they're anchored off the city of Recife.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_129_1.jpg
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Our Latin American and Caribbean Place Names -- Reference
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4120.0) in Geographical
Help has some good historic maps, and what others have named from other
ships. They list a very nice navigational chart from 1856 showing
both the approaches and a detail of the port.
http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~3689~340031:General-chart-of-the-coasts-of-Bras
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Love the chart! I read maps the same way normal people read magazines... ;)
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Then you really really really will like the David Rumsey site -
literally thousands of historical maps and atlases all online. :)
http://rumsey.mapranksearch.com/
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8)
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Caro found this one just recently: http://www.oldmapsonline.org/
To
enlarge on Janet's comment, in Geographical Help: Welcome to
Geographical Help and all the Reference topics have lists of maps ;)
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I know the month and year, do I have to leave them out just because they forgot to enter them?
Missing or Incorrect Day, Month, or Year
If all or part of the date is incorrect or missing, please do not fix it.
Month and year missing from this page:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_142_1.jpg
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Yep - when the editors' get at the finished transcriptions, they can straighten the problem out. :)
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June 5, 1852
Rio De Janeiro
From Meridian to 4.
The Emperor of Brazil visited a Brazil Steam Frigate - The Men of War (except ourselves) saluted and manned yards -
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_149_1.jpg
So,
the Queen of Spain's new daughter rates 21 guns
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3513.msg115909#msg115909),
but the Emperor of Brazil gets nada?
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June 11, 1852
From Meridian to 4.
Sent to the U.S.
Store Ship "Relief" the following Men condemned by Medical Survey " W'm
Angus (~) James Martin (OS) and Henry Edmunds (Lds).
At least they weren't dumped overboard like they would do with 'condemned' food stuffs. :o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_152_1.jpg
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:o ;D
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What's this, an actual temperature recorded in the 4 to 8 AM entry? :o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_166_1.jpg
For
those not up on Jamestown 1844 proceedings, there are very few
temperature records in this volume of the logs, although they have been
pretty diligent with recording the barometric pressure. ::)
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Well, at least they didn't do something as drastic as putting it in the weather table ::) ;D
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;D
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July 21, 1852
Montevideo
From 8 to meridian At 11.20 sent a board on board the Congress in obedience to Signal 131.
???
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_171_0.jpg
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I think the writer making the clean copy of the log had his brain stutter. ::)
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kimma001 (Bob) passes the 8000 mark!
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October 10, 1852
Buenos Ayres
From 4 to 8 [AM]
At 8 the Spanish Sloop of War dressed ship and fired a salute of
21 guns in honor of the birth day of the Queen of Spain - joined in the
ceremony by hoisting the Spanish flag at the fore.
October birthdays are the best... ;) :D
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Yay, I'm through Vol 6. Vol 7 is over a year and a half squeezed
into about 346 log pages, which means lots of time in port with two-day
pages, again. :-\
6: 15 Apr 1851 - 16 Oct 1852
7: 17 Oct 1852 - 11 May 1854
8: 22 Feb 1855 - 31 Dec 1855
9: 1 Jan 1856 - 25 Jan 1857
11: 16 Dec 1857 - 31 Dec 1858
12: 1 Jan 1859 - 22 Dec 1859
13: 23 Dec 1859 - 14 Feb 1860
14: 5 June 1861 - 23 June 1862
15: 24 June 1862 - 9 July 1863
16: 10 July 1863 - 27 July 1864
17: 28 July 1864 - 17 Sep 1865
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Volume 7 is the last of the ultra-weird formats.
The ones after that follow a grid, even if it's not the "standard" grid, and still have incomplete WR.
Example: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol008of067/vol008of067_013_0.jpg
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That will be a relief, to get weather slightly more organized. :)
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November 9, 1852
Buenos Ayres
From 4 to 8 [PM]
Issued
an extra allowance of grog to the Carpenters and Armorers who are
engaged during most of the daytime repairing damages and to be continued
until said repairs are finished by order of Captain Downing. :D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_008_0.jpg
A
couple of days earlier a steamer swung around during a storm and
collided with her, causing extensive damage to the rigging and side
rails; 4 to 8 a.m. entry for November 7:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_007_1.jpg
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November 19, 1852
Buenos Ayres
At meridian fired a salute of 21 guns in honor of the anniversary of the patron saint of Spain's Queen.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_010_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_010_1.jpg)
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December 7, 1852
From 4 to 8 [AM] Fresh moderate and light winds from the N.W, West'd and South'd and cloudy with squally appearances
::)
I
guess I could assume that the forces and directions are respective and
enter three separate WR distributed over the watch period, or go for
maximum WR credits and do all nine combinations, or just type the whole
mess into the Weather box (which is what I actually did :P).
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_015_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_015_0.jpg)
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OR...
Wind force: Fresh moderate and light winds
Wind direction: N.W, West'd and South'd
Weather: cloudy with squally appearances
Lots of combinations ;D - including pretending that you didn't see that watch
After all, this is optional! ::)
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Lots of combinations ;D - including pretending that you didn't see that watch
:o
Why,
I'm absolutely certain that someday somebody will need a detailed
English language account of the hourly weather in Buenos Aires during
the 1852-53 period. ;D
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You are just trying to prove that you are as crazy as I am ;D
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;D 8)
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I think that with the all the new ships and the proliferation of
transcribing opportunities, I'm going to fall back to the basic intent
for this ship, and concentrate on the quantitative data.
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3513.msg63682#msg63682
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3513.msg63682#msg63682))
Typing
things like 'wind increasing from the N'd and W'd with lightning
thunder and rain' takes effort I could devote to also working on the new
stuff. Not giving up on the ship, just planning to make more efficient
use of my time.
OR...
Wind force: Fresh moderate and light winds
Wind direction: N.W, West'd and South'd
Weather: cloudy with squally appearances
Lots of combinations ;D - including pretending that you didn't see that watch
After all, this is optional! ::)
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Makes sense ;)
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In that case, I will focus on the quantitative data too - once I get back to this ship, that is.
First
I am gonna finish Patterson, then the Albatross 1890 and 1900, since I
won't have any particular preferences after the Patterson.
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March 14, 1853
Buenos Ayres
From 4 to 8 At
8 dressed ship with the Brazilian Flag at the Fore in commemoration of
the anniversary of the birth day of the Empress of Brazil
From 8
to Meridian At Meridian fired a salute of 21 guns in
commemoration of the anniversary of the birth day of the "Empress" of
Brazil
Dona Teresa Cristina
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teresa_Cristina_of_the_Two_Sicilies),
nicknamed "the Mother of the Brazilians", was the Italian-born Empress
consort of Emperor Dom Pedro II of Brazil. Full name: Teresa
Cristina Maria Giuseppa Gaspare Baltassare Melchiore Gennara Francesca
de Padova Donata Bonosa Andrea d'Avelino Rita Luitgarda Geltruda
Venancia Taddea Spiridione Rocca Matilde :)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_039_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_039_1.jpg)
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It's just as well she lived before the era of online forms - with a
name like that she would have caused meltdown all over the place!
:D
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March 14, 1853
Buenos Ayres
From
4 to 8 At 8 dressed ship with the Brazilian Flag at the
Fore in commemoration of the anniversary of the birth day of the Empress
of Brazil
From 8 to Meridian At Meridian fired a
salute of 21 guns in commemoration of the anniversary of the birth day
of the "Empress" of Brazil
Dona Teresa Cristina
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teresa_Cristina_of_the_Two_Sicilies),
nicknamed "the Mother of the Brazilians", was the Italian-born Empress
consort of Emperor Dom Pedro II of Brazil. Full name: Teresa
Cristina Maria Giuseppa Gaspare Baltassare Melchiore Gennara Francesca
de Padova Donata Bonosa Andrea d'Avelino Rita Luitgarda Geltruda
Venancia Taddea Spiridione Rocca Matilde :)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_039_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_039_1.jpg)
You know that moment when your parents say 'you should be able to spell your name by now'.... :o
Oh! We've met Dom Pedro II before! Perhaps the Patterson...let me see...ah yes!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4852_1.jpg
9th October 1884:
At 11.40 His Imperial Majesty Dom Pedro II of Brazil and his personal staff came on board and inspected the ship...
(http://i.imgur.com/bw1AIoL.png)
(From
Wiki: A savant in his own right, the Emperor established a reputation
as a vigorous sponsor of learning, culture and the sciences. He won the
respect and admiration of scholars such as Charles Darwin, Victor Hugo
and Friedrich Nietzsche, and was a friend to Richard Wagner, Louis
Pasteur and Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, among others.)
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'Before' being a relative thing to an event that occurred 31 years earlier. ;) 8)
Oh! We've met Dom Pedro II before! Perhaps the Patterson...let me see...ah yes!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%201/IMG_4852_1.jpg
9th October 1884:
At 11.40 His Imperial Majesty Dom Pedro II of Brazil and his personal staff came on board and inspected the ship...
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oh my goodness bob - I didn't notice the dates at all!! You
might have caught him early in his reign? He didn't last much after the
Patterson event if I recall correctly, and I believe ended his days in
Europe in relative obscurity :(
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April 18, 1853
Buenos Ayres
From 4 to 8 [PM]
Boarded
one of the vessels of the Argentine Squadron to make inquiries relating
to the action between that squadron and the one under Commodore Coe
which came off this morning, was informed that the action lasted 3 1/2
hours and that the Argentine squadron had sustained a loss of two of
their vessels.
Jonas Halstead Coe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonas_Coe) was the American-born commander of the Argentine
Confederation fleet then blockading Buenos Aires ('Ayres' in the Jamestown logs). Here's the bit from the Wikipedia article:
With
the war in Uruguay over and Rosas overthrown in Argentina, Coe was
appointed by Justo Jose de Urquiza commander of the Confederation fleet
which blockaded the city of Buenos Aires, after the later seceded from
the central government in September 1852. Coe, aboard the steamer
Constitucion, defeated a Buenos Aires flotilla 30 miles off Martin
Garcia island on April 18, 1853, when his squadron captured the enemy
brigs Enigma and 11 de Septiembre, with 22 officers
and 200 men. On June 26, however, Coe deserted to the United States
aboard the American sloop USS Jamestown after being bribed by Buenos
Aires' citizens.
I'll be looking for the record of his desertion in the June logs.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_048_1.jpg
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that's an exciting thing to find and look out for :D History in the making ...
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It's now late July, they've sailed to Rio de Janeiro, and I didn't
see any mention of Commodore Coe coming aboard. Assuming I didn't miss
the entry, I'm guessing he might have actually gone to the USS Congress,
the flag ship in the area at the time.
The Jamestown spent many
months anchored off Buenos Aires before this trip to Rio de Janeiro.
After arriving in Rio the crew was immediately employed caulking the
outside of the ship. ;)
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August 20, 1853
Rio de Janeiro
From 8 to
Midnight Sent an Officer and a Guard of Marines on board the
American Ship "Vanolinta" to quell a disturbance among the passengers
:o
I
believe the ship's name was probably "Van Olinda"
(http://archon.mainemaritimemuseum.org/index.php?p=collections/findingaid&id=36&q=van+olinda&rootcontentid=540#id540)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_082_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_082_1.jpg)
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sounds like a few too many grogs on the table at tea time on the Van Olinda :D
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May 11, 1854
From 8 to Mer. Light breezes
from the S'd & W'd and pleasant. This day Hauled down the Colors and
put the ship out of commission, and turned her over to the yard.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_175_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_175_0.jpg)
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:'(
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February 22, 1855
Philadelphia, Delaware River
At 10
Commander John Marston delivered the ship over to the command of Francis
B Ellison. Hoisted the Colors and put the ship in commission.
:D
At
11 Commodore Tho's Crabbe came on board and was received by Commander
F.B. Ellison and the officers of the ship. At 11 15 on the last of the
ebb, cast off from the Navy Yard in tow of a steam tug. Parted the
Hawser in towing and grounded immediately. At 12 cast off from the steam
tug finding it impossible to move the ship.
:-[
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol008of067/vol008of067_003_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol008of067/vol008of067_003_1.jpg)
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Good grief, less than an hour into his command Commodore Crabbe got
to watch his flagship go to ground and get stuck there. If I didn't know
her final fate, I'd fear for the Jamestown at this point.
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I'm putting that one on Darren's Daily Zoo list. :)
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Here are a couple of odd-ball pages:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol008of067/vol008of067_017_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol008of067/vol008of067_017_0.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol008of067/vol008of067_017_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol008of067/vol008of067_017_1.jpg)
Several
single-day entries on each page while they're in dry dock. I put the
daily weather data as 'Noon' entries under the separate dates. They go
back to grid format after these.
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If there is no time given, it may be best to leave the hour field blank.
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OK, I'll do that.
If there is no time given, it may be best to leave the hour field blank.
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April 14, 1855
Near Havana
From 8 to Meridian
At 8.15 returned the salute of H.B.M ship with 13 guns. filled away and made sail
The Barometer in the Cabin was broken by the shock of the guns.
::)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol008of067/vol008of067_026_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol008of067/vol008of067_026_0.jpg)
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April 16, 1855
Havana
From 8 to Midnight. Rec'd in the Masters Department a new Barometer.
8)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol008of067/vol008of067_027_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol008of067/vol008of067_027_0.jpg)
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;D
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April 24, 1855
Key West
From Meridian to 4. At. 3 arrived the U.S Coast Survey Steamer Corwin
A shout-out to the more famous vessel's predecessor. 8)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol008of067/vol008of067_031_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol008of067/vol008of067_031_0.jpg)
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I'm about two months into their first consistent use of the grid
format for recording data, and they've occasionally been using the
'Water' temperature column like here:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol008of067/vol008of067_023_1.jpg
However, I just came to this page:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol008of067/vol008of067_033_1.jpg
Note
the tiny 'Att' written over the first entry in the Water temperature
column. There are older discussions on the forum that suggested assuming
Attached if it was written adjacent to the pressure, etc. This is the
first time I've seen this label used in these logs, and the alleged
water temperatures have looked unusually warm, but I thought they might
be reasonable considering they've been operating in the Caribbean area.
So,
should I continue recording the data in the 'Water' column, TWYS, even
if it's just recorded with the pressure like this page? I honored the
'Att' and put that reading in as Attached, but the others as Water.
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For
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol008of067/vol008of067_023_1.jpg,
it is every hour and pressure is every 4 hours, so it seems likely that
it is water.
For
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol008of067/vol008of067_033_1.jpg,
I think it would be valid to list both as Att - a possible "Weather
Data in the Wrong Column" exception to TWYS :-\
However, I will check with Philip.
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Please enter the data into the correct column. If it's actually
attached temperature input it as such, even if it's in the 'water'
column.
That's the principle, but there is the complication of
not knowing what the data is. Is it attached (makes more sense), or
water (it's in the water column). Please use your best judgement on this
point. Sometimes this will mean guessing - please do guess, guess
enthusiastically.
Your guess will not be perfect, but it's as
good as anyone's. Almost certainly now better than mine. Don't worry
about being wrong, just make your best guess at what the log-keeper was
trying to do on the page, and move on to the next. It probably now
too late to court-martial the log-keeper for vague and confusing
record-keeping.
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It probably now too late to court-martial the log-keeper for vague and confusing record-keeping.
;D
Thanks!
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May 29, 1855
Key West
From 8 to Midnight.
Nath'l
Cromwell (~~) deserter was brought on board and confined in double
irons. James White (OS) deserter arrested on shore with Nathl. Cromwell
resisted and attempted the life of the 1st Lieutenant, and was shot by
him in self-defense. Jas. White was taken to the Marine Hospital on
shore.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol008of067/vol008of067_049_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol008of067/vol008of067_049_0.jpg)
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Nathl. Cromwell (Cox.)?
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Looks like that might be it...
Thanks!
Nathl. Cromwell (Cox.)?
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June 15, 1855
32 35 N, 78 35 15 W
(about 85 miles ESE of Charleston, South Carolina)
At
Meridian a strange fish or animal was discovered some distance from the
Ship._ Its length was about 40 feet, and its movements in the water
were undulatory like that of a Serpent._
:o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol008of067/vol008of067_057_1.jpg
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or a Kraken !?
;D
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I'll put that in the Animal mention entry. ;)
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July 16, 1855
Funchal
From Meridian to 4
Commander F.B. Ellison left the Ship to return to the U.S via
England on sick leave and Leiut Ja's F. Armstrong appointed to the
command of the Ship by order of Commmodore Crabbe
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol008of067/vol008of067_073_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol008of067/vol008of067_073_0.jpg)
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I made Captain!
8)
The ship's entry page still shows gastcra in the Captain's banner!
>:(
The Transcribe page header says the Captain has 18,202 WR, which doesn't match my or gastcra's total!
:o
The interface is deprecated, so this outrage will never be fixed!
:'(
;D ;D ;D
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The interface is deprecated, so this outrage will never be fixed!
:'(
The
interface has rarely if ever gotten all the counts right, and that part
of it was ignored for years before it was deprecated. There is a
limited number of devs around, and that apparently doesn't deserve a
fix. :'(
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Congratulations Captain Bob!
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* Piping aboard Captain kimma001 *
(Bob)
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Try going further - I think you need to put some distance between
you and him before the ship's home page shows you in the captain's
banner.
Congratulations on making it! I've updated my guestimations to show that you are the captain.
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August 30, 1855
Eastern Atlantic
From Meridian to 4 Condemned one
Keg Butter lbs as unfit for issue
Inspection of R.B. Hitchcock Sept 1853-4
Gilbert Davis Contractor
Must have been pretty ripe after at least a year in that keg.
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Indeed, it's now reset. ;) ;D
Try
going further - I think you need to put some distance between you and
him before the ship's home page shows you in the captain's banner.
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I don't mind playing second captain to you, Bob ;D
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Back on reply 36 there was a question about dueling in the USN. I
found some old notes I took from a book "The Wooden World" NAM Rodgers
It seems in the US Navy the number of officers killed in duels equaled
2/3 of those killed in action before 1848. you can see why they put a
stop to it.
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;D
I don't mind playing second captain to you, Bob ;D
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June 15, 1855
32 35 N, 78 35 15 W
(about 85 miles ESE of Charleston, South Carolina)
At
Meridian a strange fish or animal was discovered some distance from the
Ship._ Its length was about 40 feet, and its movements in the water
were undulatory like that of a Serpent._
:o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol008of067/vol008of067_057_1.jpg
Oarfish?
Here be sea monsters (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3542.msg59258#msg59258)
(Thanks to Tegwen was looking at this topic ;))
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"Best possible image." It's Rorschach time! ;)
(http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp29/rcl111/Misc/bestpossible_zpsl6rgczer.png)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol008of067/vol008of067_110_0.jpg
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Wow, never heard of those things. The Wiki article says they're a
deep sea fish, rarely seen on the surface. Maybe they saw one that
wasn't healthy? It certainly fits the description.
Oarfish?
Here be sea monsters (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3542.msg59258#msg59258)
(Thanks to Tegwen was looking at this topic ;))
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I believe every oarfish that has beached itself was ill or
dying. If you aren't a biologist, those are indeed "sea dragons" -
especially if you get an old one around 40 feet (12 meters) long.
I find them fascinating, how accurately they match some myths about
dragons in the deep oceans.
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October 28, 1855
Porto Grande
This is a pretty severe
sentence, which must have been associated with a capital crime of some
sort. The charges weren't described, and I didn't see any previous
references to anything of that magnitude. I wonder if it might have been
related to this death
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3377.msg122211#msg122211).
From 8 to Mer'd
At 1020 Called all hands to muster and read to
the crew the General Order with regard to
the sentence of W'm Bulger (Sea) of this Ship
who was tried by the General Court Martial
recently convened on board the USS "Dale". The
sentence awarded was as follows; Viz:
The Court do therefore sentence the said
W'm Bulger (Sea) to be sent to the United
States by the first opportunity - securely ironed,
and delivered to the US Marshal at the Port
in which the vessel may arrive, to be confined
in the Penitentiary in the District of
Columbia for the term of five years at hard
labor, to forfeit to the United States, all pay
and emoluments, now due, and which may
become due for the unexpired term of his
enlistment in the Navy of the United States, with a
prohibition of his further enlistment in the
Navy, and that the finding and sentence of the
Court to be read on the Quarter Deck of all vessels
of the US Navy in Commission, in the presence
of the Officers and crew therof.
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That's very serious. Very sobering. Perhaps those two events are
related then. I think that 5 years hard labour would be very hard in
deed. And what could he do after the end of the sentence (if he survived
it)? If he did not receive the death sentence he cannot have intended
to cause death? :-\
That's a really tough entry into the log. :(
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Black Whale (Kroomen) is a black African native. IF the
two are related, I can see the short sentence for someone definitely
seen back then as not equal - and it says well of the Navy that it
wasn't ignored.
A very shameful attitude that embarrasses
me to say, but very true back then. It took 3 amendments to the
constitution to make blacks legally equal, and a hundred years to get to
the civil rights movements to enforce them. This is NOT a good
side of the US.
http://www.blackpast.org/primary/reconstruction-amendments
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November 23, 1855
Off Sierra Leone
From 4 to 8. [AM]
Saw a number of "Swallows"
flying about the Ship + saw a
small "Butterfly" on board.
Nice,
light-hearted entry. The use of quotation marks is a bit amusing, I
keep imagining somebody using air-quotes when reading that. :P
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very sweet that they "appear"..I suppose they are useful in indicting land being near? :)
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November 26, 1855
Liberia
From Mer'd to 4.
At 3.30 President Roberts of
Liberia came on board. At 3.50 Saluted
with 21 guns the Liberian Flag at the Fore.
This
would have been Joseph Jenkins Roberts
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Jenkins_Roberts), the
American-born first president of Liberia.
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November 30, 1855
Liberia
From 8 to Meridian
Shipped the following Kroomen viz
Black Whale. John Davis. Pea Soup
After Breakfast Peter Warman. Jack
Friday. Jack Purser. Jack Crowbar
Inside Out. Upside Down. Jack
Savage. Tom Walker. Jim Crow. Jack
Everyday. Tom Dollar. Jack Haultaut
Jack Two Gun. John Doe + After
Supper. + Ben Coffee
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Some Africans have a fine sense of humor about their English choice of names, obviously. :)
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I had doubts that very many of these were chosen by the men
themselves. This is from the Krumen Wiki article
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krumen_people):
"They were given
Western names by the men on the ships, leading to names that are amusing
to the Western eye, Tom Ropeman and Will Cockroach amongst them. They
were clearly commonly employed, and the names bestowed were not
original, since the cemetery contains for example the remains of Tom
Smith Number 1, to distinguish him from another Tom Smith."
There's
a 'Black Whale' on the new list here; recall that another man called
Black Whale died on board
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3377.msg122211#msg122211) a
few weeks back.
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I think you are right - I've seen the same on the factory floor,
names totally foreign to English speakers get warped into something
familiar and pronounceable. Although in that case, fully half of
the name bearers prefer that to having their real names mangled, and
more than one of them has asked me to stop using their legal name
because they want to get used to being American.
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Done with Volume 8
6: 15 Apr 1851 - 16 Oct 1852
7: 17 Oct 1852 - 11 May 1854
8: 22 Feb 1855 - 31 Dec 1855
9: 1 Jan 1856 - 25 Jan 1857
11: 16 Dec 1857 - 31 Dec 1858
12: 1 Jan 1859 - 22 Dec 1859
13: 23 Dec 1859 - 14 Feb 1860
14: 5 June 1861 - 23 June 1862
15: 24 June 1862 - 9 July 1863
16: 10 July 1863 - 27 July 1864
17: 28 July 1864 - 17 Sep 1865
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:)
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February 6, 1856
At Sea, Atlantic Ocean
From Meridian to 4. Called the
First division of Small arm men
to quarters for purpose of exer-
cising at target, but not being
able to get the muskets off got
in the target and commenced clean-
ing muskets.
:o
At least there's no mention of any of the other Divisions putting the target to use with them in it.
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April 29, 1856
At Sea
From 8 to Merid.
Burnt a blue light, in order to light a match.
??? Seems like an odd detail for the log.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol009of067/vol009of067_061_1.jpg
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BLUE LIGHT. A pyrotechnical preparation for signals by night. Also called Bengal light.
I wonder what they lit with the match!
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May 13, 1856
At sea, about 150 miles west of Madiera
From 8 to Meridian
A Quail flying about the Ship
Emphasis theirs... ;)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol009of067/vol009of067_068_1.jpg
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What had they been drinking the night before? A quail? That's very odd indeed 8) :D
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Quail ;D
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July 20, 1856
Funchal, Madeira
From 8 to Meridian
John Kelley (Sea) reported that the time for which he shipped expired to day and is detained under the Law of March 1837
I'm sure he was thrilled.
Text of said law:
(https://books.google.com/books?id=rYtPAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA659&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&sig=ACfU3U0Xdn-rphh4VHK1LADb1yvzpO886g&ci=66%2C931%2C705%2C174&edge=0)
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Thanks for digging that out!
I have seen that happen a few times.
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July 20, 1856
Funchal, Madeira
From 8 to Meridian
John Kelley (Sea) reported that the time for which he shipped expired to day and is detained under the Law of March 1837
I'm sure he was thrilled.
Text of said law:
(https://books.google.com/books?id=rYtPAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA659&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&sig=ACfU3U0Xdn-rphh4VHK1LADb1yvzpO886g&ci=66%2C931%2C705%2C174&edge=0)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol009of067/vol009of067_102_1.jpg
Ooooooh,
wasn't this the American version of the Wills Act? If memory serves
this was a subsection that was included in a much more comprehensive act
(that is still largely in use today) that sprang up in light of the
Supreme Court decision in the Decatur v. Paulding case (the wife of
Commodore Stephen Decatur was denied a portion of her husband's pension
upon his death by James Kirke Paulding, then Secretary of the Navy).
There's a lot of pretty serious ramifications that sprang up in light of
that decision.
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July 22, 1856
Funchal, Madeira
From 4 to 8
A boat from H.B.M Brig "Elk" came alongside to enquire about saluting
From 8 to Meridian
At
8. H.B.M. Brig "Elk" fired a salute of 13 guns with the American Ensign
at the Fore. Which was returned by this Ship with the same number of
Guns with the English Ensign at the Fore.
I suppose sometimes you just had to ask.
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Protocol ::)
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Protocol ::)
It
*is* a little strange that the request was made, rather than simply
done on the fly. The whole history behind the gun salute was a sign of
good faith that your ship had come in peace. Cannon aren't quick to
reload, and firing a powder charge meant leaving a ship vulnerable. It's
generally pretty obvious when a foreign ship raises your national
ensign at the fore and you don't get pelted by hundreds of pounds of
lead a few seconds *before* you hear the boom of cannon fire
(contrary to popular belief, cannonballs have been fired at supersonic
velocities for hundreds of years), you're receiving a salute and not
under attack. Further, if you're not actively at war with another
country, opening fire on a warship is a great way to start a war, and
outside of the Lusitania and Athenia, there aren't really many clear
examples of naval forces attacking indiscriminately without already
being formally at war.
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July 29, 1856
At Sea, Eastern Atlantic
From 8 to Meridian
At 9 30 inspected the Crew at quarters, and exercised the 2'd Division at fighting both sides and extreme pointing_
I didn't know they had a debate team! :D
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September 3, 1856
Santa Cruz, Tenerife
From 8 to Meridian
At
9.40 Beat to General Quarters - Exercised Small Armed Men at the
Manuel, and the Carbineers at Target practice, the Target by
Triangulation distant 160 yards fired four rounds (180 shots) 9 Balls
hit the Target - Size of the Target 1 foot wide and 3 feet long
Best case 20% of the shooters hit the target once, worst case 5% of the shots overall. ;)
The first bit about exercises reads like it should be a Fawlty Towers episode...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol009of067/vol009of067_126_0.jpg
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The first bit about exercises reads like it should be a Fawlty Towers episode...
I
can picture this all too well for some reason... Somehow I can see
Cleese having a bunch of short guys doing calisthenics in a circle
around Sachs.
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:D :D :D
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October 25, 1856
Porto Playa, St. Iago
From Meridian to 4
Caught a Shark measuring 10 feet
:o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol009of067/vol009of067_151_1.jpg
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OK, who wants this one:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol009of067/vol009of067_152_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol009of067/vol009of067_152_1.jpg)
Which, after further thought, and another glass of liquid fortitude, yielded from a marathon (for me) transcription...
Called
all hands to muster + read the finding of the Summary Court Martial in
the case of Bernard McKenna (OSea) who was Guilty of the Charge
Scandalous Conduct the sentence was Solitary Confinement in single irons
on Bread + Water to day but the particular time of carrying out the
sentence into execution + whether or not the period of confinement shall
be continuous or broken to be regulated by the discretion of the
Commander of the ship according to the convenience of the Ship and the
health of the Prisoner provided however that the condition of the
sentence be fulfilled within the space of ninety day from the date or
from which it may be approved - read also the following Reccommendation
from the Court, Considering the intimidation under which the witness
Cromwell, and to some extent others appeared to labor from apprehension
perhap of future violence on the part of the Prisoner McKenna feel bound
for the protection of those of the prosecution who were compelled in
the case to testify to reccommend that for this reason the said McKenna
should not be discharged with the others at the end of the cruise but be
transferred to serve the whole or a portion of the remainder of his
term of enlistment at the Port of the Ships arrival - Also read the
finding of the Court Martial in the case of John D. Gorman (Lds) who was
guilty of the charge Scandalous Conduct the sentence was as follows
Solitary Confinement in double irons on Bread + Water thirty days and
the loss of three months pay, but the particular time of carrying the
Sentence into execution + whether or not the period of his confinement
shall be continuous or broken to be regulated by the discretion of the
Commander of the Ship according to the convenience of the Ship and the
health of the prisoner provided however that the conditions of this
sentence be fulfilled within the space of ninety days from the date on
which into it may approved also read the following Reccommendation
Approval + Remittal. In view of the circumstances as it appears that
just previously to the commission of the offence to which the accused of
has pleaded Guilty he had been invited to the room alluded to in the
specification, by its occupants and from the hand of one there, had
received a glass of Liquor as stated in his defense substantiated by
evidence admitted subsequently in the proceedings at his request and the
affects probaly produced by that circumstance, would reccommend the
accused to the clemency of the Commander. The foregoing sentence and
reccommendation in the Case of John D. Gorman (Lds) are approved - In
consideration of the said reccommendation to clemency and of the
testimony on which it is based extenuating in its carachter admitted in
accordance with Paragraph 6 General Orders April 4 - 1855 after the plea
of Guilty the said sentence is remitted altogether - And the accused
John D Gorman restored to his duty as Master at Arms Confined Bernard
McKenna (OSea) in double irons in the cells in accordance with his
sentence
Phew. :P
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Quite a history!
I'm glad the court thought to protect the witnesses from Mr. McKenna
I hope Mr. Gorman has learned his lesson.
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November 30, 1856
Monrovia, Liberia
From 8 to Meridian
Discharged the following Kroomen viz Tom Pepper
Jack Twodollar, Jim Dre, Jim Crow, Black Whale
Jack Crowbar, Tom Dollar, Tom ~~~ibley, Jack Poorfellow
Jack Friday, Inside Out, John Lewis, Jack Savage
Jack Two Gun, Rob Roberts, Tom Dale, Jack Purser,
Jack Haultaut, Pea Soup, Tom Walker, After Supper
Jack Davis, Palm Tree, Upside Down, Ben Coffee
After Breakfast + Jack Everyday - Shipped
the following Kroomen viz John Adams, Flying Jib
Boat Plug, Brace Aback, Fill Away, Main Bowline
Hot Coppers, Clear Hawse, Lock String, Hen Coop
Jack Fopey, Tom Freeman, Tom Coffee, Two Forty
Hard Tack, Yellow Whale, Bill Jumbo, Bow Gun
Jim Jack, Jack Smart, Port Anchor, Bean
Hickman, Tar Bucket, Sea Breeze, Cat Fall
Top Light, Last One
::)
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On to Volume 11 :D , no Volume 10... ???
6: 15 Apr 1851 - 16 Oct 1852
7: 17 Oct 1852 - 11 May 1854
8: 22 Feb 1855 - 31 Dec 1855
9: 1 Jan 1856 - 25 Jan 1857
11: 16 Dec 1857 - 31 Dec 1858
12: 1 Jan 1859 - 22 Dec 1859
13: 23 Dec 1859 - 14 Feb 1860
14: 5 June 1861 - 23 June 1862
15: 24 June 1862 - 9 July 1863
16: 10 July 1863 - 27 July 1864
17: 28 July 1864 - 17 Sep 1865
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I couldn't get to volume 10 via URL editing - at the time, I thought
it might have a different URL format than the other logs. Looks like
it's missing entirely.
But her history does include this:
22
February 1855 - Recommissioned. Departed Key West 9 June as flagship of
Commodore Crabbe with African Squadron, returned to Philadelphia 2 June
1857 and decommissioned.
16 December 1857 - Recommissioned, and served with Home Squadron in the West Indies.
So
maybe that's why volume 10 never got scanned: It was considered too
short to be worth it - would have been less than 6 months.
But this is just pure speculation - your guess is as good as mine.
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I think you may be right. So, they assigned volume numbers to the physical logs, not the scanned sets?
So
maybe that's why volume 10 never got scanned: It was considered too
short to be worth it - would have been less than 6 months.
But this is just pure speculation - your guess is as good as mine.
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So, they assigned volume numbers to the physical logs, not the scanned sets?
Correct. The Patterson's log numbers go past 120, even though there's less than 100 logs total.
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I have no idea why it isn't available here, but it has been scanned.
Some volumes were scanned out of order because they needed special treatment before scanning. Maybe it just has a different URL format. In the early days I don't think they had established a naming convention.
If you go to http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/rediscover/us-navy-logbooks, you can see the ships that have been (will be?) scanned.
Click on Metadata RG 24.xlsx to download the spread sheet with the links.
Here is volume 10: https://catalog.archives.gov/id/7284437
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Is this the rough log? It's a very different format. :o
Here is volume 10: https://catalog.archives.gov/id/7284437
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I don't know, but I suspect so.
We have a lot of logbooks in very different formats :o :o :o
That's why they need humans.
A computer would have a nervous breakdown ;) ;D
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December 20, 1857
They've made some cloud-type reports in the
last couple of days, but here we have cloud types and a 'sky' number
reported for the first time. 8)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol011of067/vol011of067_005_1.jpg
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I wonder if that means the sky is 9 tenths covered with clouds :-\
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This page appears to have instructions to transcribers, complete with a big red arrow pointing them out. ::)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol011of067/vol011of067_009_1.jpg
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I'm not entirely sure: is this set of instructions related to some
surveying at all? I wouldn't expect her to be doing geodetic surveying
though.
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It doesn't look contemporary. Going forward that are blue pencil
mark-ups and 'corrections' of the weather data, along with numbers that I
think are map grid references. There was a bunch of this in the 1866
log set, too. I think somebody beat us to the data! :)
I'm
not entirely sure: is this set of instructions related to some
surveying at all? I wouldn't expect her to be doing geodetic surveying
though.
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February 18, 1858
Aspinwall (modern day Colon, Panama)
From 8 to Merid
Exercised "Awkward Section" of 2nd Division at small arms
From Merid to 4
Exercised "Awkward Squad" of small arms - men of 3rd Division
???
From the Wiki article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awkward_squad):
It
is commonly accepted that shortly before his death in 1796 Robert Burns
uttered the words "Don't let the awkward squad fire over me". At this
time the phrase was in use in military slang for a group of recruits who
seemed incapable of understanding discipline or not yet sufficiently
trained or disciplined to properly carry out their duties.
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I don't know; maybe it's just that my family (or at least the
portion of it that I interact with the most) is horribly antiquated or
something, but, I can think of a half dozen or so people who still use
Awkward Squad in this way. It's frightening to me that they don't just
have an Awkward Squad, but an Awkward Section. There's a little bit of a
weird catch in how it was phrased this way.
For those not super
familiar with military jargon, in modern usage, a squad and a section,
outside of France, are essentially the same thing; a group of two or
three fireteams, consisting of eight to twelve individual soldiers.
However, it used to be more common, particularly among Navy and Marine
detachments to use the French definition, which is equivalent to a
platoon (sub-division of a company, consisting of more than two, but
less than ten squads).
The implication is that their command
structure breakdown was that a large portion of the 2nd Division was so
badly trained (or incapable of learning) that they were as much a danger
to themselves as they would have been to enemy forces. And this
happening at a time when the Third Seminole War was still being fought.
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March 10, 1858
Aspinwall
From Merid to 4.
Called all hands to muster and
read the finding and sentence of
the late Summary Court Martial
in the Case of Pvt Johnson, as
follows; Charge, "Neglect of duty."
Specification, "Sleeping on Watch"
proved, and the sentence "5
days solitary confinement
on bread and water in single
cell, with door closed, from
daylight to 8 P.M. and from
8 P.M. to daylight in his hammock in the brig, with
loss of pay from 5th to 15th inst., inclusive". But the
Commanding Officer disapproved of the proceedings of the Court,
on the ground of informality; the record not showing
that the recorder was "sworn", as is provided by law. The prisoner,
Pvt Johnson was therefore discharged.
He seems to have dodged the formal punishments, but I'm guessing the officers had other ways to make sure he paid.
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I dare say that the officers will be a bit more careful about details the next time ;)
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This is interesting, a page of decoded signals traffic.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol011of067/vol011of067_053_0.jpg
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8) 8)
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April 3, 1858
Aspinwall
From Merid to 4.
At 3.30 called
all hands to Muster, and read the
findings of the late summary Court
Martial as follows. Fred'k Stewart
(Cabin Cook) charged with dissolute +
immoral practices, and with provoking
and threatening language, Sentenced to
"Loss of one months pay and deprivation
"of liberty on shore for the space of 6 mos"
Robert Gregory (Cox), Henry McCullen (Sea) and J Wiley (Cap Top), charged with dissolute
and immoral practices. Sentenced "to one months loss of pay. Henry M. El~~s
(Sea) Drunkenness + treating with contempt, his supervisor, whilst in the execution of
his office. Sentenced to "Solitary Confinement in single cell on bread and water for
10 days from 6 A.M. to 8 P.M.,+ from 8 P.M. to 6 A.M. in his hammock
in charge of a sentinel, with loss of two months pay." These sentences were
approved by Capt Kennedy, and ordered to be carried into execution
It appears that the Court's officers got all the procedural details correct this time.
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April 22, 1858
Greytown, Nicaragua
Beach assault, 1858-style. Here are some interesting details from a training exercise.
From 4 to 8.
At 4.30 PM, called away Launch 1st 2nd 3rd 4th Cutters,
armed + fitted them out for a distant expedition _
At 4.52 boats left the ship in a line ahead, for
the beach of "Punta Arenas" (A heavy sand
beach) distant about 750. yds. Before reaching
the beach, the boats drew up in a line abreast
the Launch covering the landing. At 5.02 the launch fired her last shot, grounded 20 yds
from beach + made the following time in landing the 12 pdr.
howitzer; Viz - from time of last fire, the gun shifted from boat to field
carriage, landed + fired in 3 minutes. In embarking, fired, embarked
the gun mounted on field carriage; shifted to boat carriage + fired
in 4 minutes.
I'm guessing the 12-pounder might have been one of these:
https://markerhunter.wordpress.com/2011/01/17/dahlgren-12-pdr-small-bh/
(https://markerhunter.wordpress.com/2011/01/17/dahlgren-12-pdr-small-bh/)
I also found a link to a company that builds and sells fully operational replicas if anybody wants one of their own. :o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol011of067/vol011of067_068_0.jpg
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May 19, 1858
Greytown, Nicaragua
From 4 to 8
Received the following stores from the "relief" viz -
15 Bbls Sugar
1 Do Vinegar
12 Do Whiskey
49 Do Beef
6 Do Pickles
12 Do Pork
3 Do Molasses
80 Boxes Soap
10 Packages Grass
2 Bbls Bread
22 Boxes Tobacco
1 Bbl Butter
2 Do Cheese
17 Boxes Mustard
94 Pans (small)
14 Mess Pans (large) and
144 Small tin pans
???
Does
that really say 'Grass'?:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol011of067/vol011of067_081_1.jpg
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It does seem to...
I was thinking maybe it was for scrubbing.
I did find this but it doesn't seem likely since the log says packages:
GRASS. A term applied to vegetables in general.
Rope making: http://www.hnsa.org/resources/manuals-documents/age-of-sail/textbook-of-seamanship/rope/
But, again, it doesn't seem likely since the log says packages.
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I have a problem I can't seem to find the Jamestown 1844 or any other ships logs any more. Can anyone help me?
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Try starting from: http://classic.oldweather.org/ships/
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June 8, 1858
Greytown, Nicaragua
From Merid to 4
Called
all hands to muster, the Captain addressed some pertinent remarks, on
the impropriety and danger of giving food to the sick, without
consulting the Surgeon.
:-X ::)
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I love the term 'pertinent remarks'.
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July 2, 1858
Off Matanzas, Cuba
From 8 to Merid
Showed
our colors to several Spanish schr's - Passed close to a schooner - our
colors flying - she passed without showing any nationality - gave chase
+ fired a gun to windward - Schooner then showed Spanish colors. Tacked
ship + went upon our course again.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol011of067/vol011of067_103_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol011of067/vol011of067_103_1.jpg)
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September 8, 1858
Portsmouth, New Hampshire
From 8 to Midnight
At 9 discovered a man swimming away from the Ship, who was picked
up, at the moment of discovery, by a boat lying in wait for him, and was
pulled rapidly for shore - useless to pursue. Called all hands to muster +
discovered Franklin S Bryan (App) had deserted as above stated.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol011of067/vol011of067_137_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol011of067/vol011of067_137_1.jpg)
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At least someone who had the brains to plan ahead ;)
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November 18, 1858
Greytown, Nicaragua
At 11.30 HM
Steamer "Valorous" Saluted the American Flag with 7 Guns. At 11.50 the
"Savannah" Saluted the English Flag with 15 Guns. The "Valorous"
returned the Salute. At Meridian the English Minister Sir William Gore
Ousely came on board + on leaving was Saluted with 15 Guns English Flag
at the fore, which was returned by the "Valorous" with an equal number.
Sir
William Gore Ouseley
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Gore_Ouseley) was a diplomat,
author and artist, at that time looking after British interests in the
area as a Special Envoy.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol011of067/vol011of067_173_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol011of067/vol011of067_173_0.jpg)
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Through Volume 11. I'm on a 1 log week per day quota, so I should
easily finish this set within a year if I can maintain that.
6: 15 Apr 1851 - 16 Oct 1852
7: 17 Oct 1852 - 11 May 1854
8: 22 Feb 1855 - 31 Dec 1855
9: 1 Jan 1856 - 25 Jan 1857
11: 16 Dec 1857 - 31 Dec 1858
12: 1 Jan 1859 - 22 Dec 1859
13: 23 Dec 1859 - 14 Feb 1860
14: 5 June 1861 - 23 June 1862
15: 24 June 1862 - 9 July 1863
16: 10 July 1863 - 27 July 1864
17: 28 July 1864 - 17 Sep 1865
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January 14, 1859
At sea, off Nicaragua
From 8 to Meridian
At 9.30 spoke + boarded the American
Barque "White Cloud" A.M. Miller
Master, one day from Greytown, bound
to New York, Capt Miller came on
board, and gave news of the wreck of the
American Schooner "Susan" Some where
on the Coast to the Northward, and that
the Passengers + Crew had been rescued
+ taken to Mobile by a British Steamer
of War.
It's an interesting story about the Susan:
http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1859/01/08/page/2/article/wreck-of-the-schooner-susan
It seems that there was some doubt about their intentions.
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I followed your link to the article, but it was too blurry for me to be able to read it :'(
(zooming didn't help)
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Sorry to hear that, I was able to make it out at full zoom. Maybe I'll transcribe it. ;)
I followed your link to the article, but it was too blurry for me to be able to read it :'(
(zooming didn't help)
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Sorry to hear that, I was able to make it out at full zoom. Maybe I'll transcribe it. ;)
I'm not that interested ;D
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I'm pretty sure that says wind Nouthd in the first entry. ???
Want to I don't. Type it I will.
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Yup :'(
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I think it's a very badly written small r, but I'm probably just biased towards getting a sensible solution.
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I think you're probably right, but I put in a 'u' as the first thing I saw. ;)
I think it's a very badly written small r, ...
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September 10, 1859
Off Nicaragua
At 3 Boxhauled Ship to Westd.
boxhaul (v)
Definition:
To tack a square-rigged vessel short round. To perform this maneuver,
the sails were backed to take way off with the helm held to weather,
causing the ship to go astern until the eye of the wind was on the other
side. Then the sails were handled around to the new tack. This method
of tacking required split second crew coordination, and was used only
when absolutely necessary, such as when caught under a lee shore in
light winds.
Sounds like a neat trick, and tricky to pull off.
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8)
I've seen plenty of 'wore ship', but this is the first time I heard of boxhauling.
BOXHAULING.
Is an evolution by which a ship is veered sharp round on her heel, when
the object is to avoid making a great sweep. The helm is put a-lee, the
head-yards braced flat aback, the after-yards squared, the driver taken
in, and the head-sheets hauled to windward; when she begins to gather
stern-way the helm is shifted and sails trimmed. It is only resorted to
in emergencies, as a seaman never likes to see his ship have stern-way.
With much wind and sea this evolution would be dangerous.
(That escapes me!)
VEER, To. To let out, to pay out, to turn or change. Also, to veer or wear,
in contradistinction from tacking. In tacking it is a necessary
condition that the ship be brought up to the wind as close-hauled, and
put round against the wind on the opposite tack. But in veering or
wearing, especially when strong gales render it dangerous, unseamanlike,
or impossible, the head of the vessel is put away from the wind, and
turned round 20 points of the compass instead of 12, and, without strain
or danger, is brought to the wind on the opposite tack. Many
deep-thinking seamen, and Lords St. Vincent, Exmouth, and Sir E.
Owen,[711] issued orders to wear instead of tacking, when not
inconvenient, deeming the accidents and wear and tear of tacking,
detrimental to the sails, spars, and rigging.
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In a 'fore & aft rig' the veer is also called a gybe. One of the
results of that wind shift is that the boom swings 'solidly &
quickly' across the deck.
Tough on the rigging. Any heads in the way can be bruised or damaged!!!!!! :o
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Thanks, Dean!
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_127_1.jpg
4-6: sprinkling rain ?
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That's what I see...
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4-6: sprinkling rain ?
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November 30, 1859
At anchor off Nicaragua
From 8 to Midnight
A heavy swell from the Northd+Eastd, and Ship rolling Guns under. :o ...urp.
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Oh wow... I've seen ships roll hard enough to go guns under, but
every time I see it my mind drifts to the famous battle between the HMS
Guerriere and the USS Constitution near the onset of the War of 1812.
Post
Script Editorial: the "too long; didn't read" version is that the image
of a ship in heavy seas with her gun deck going underwater makes me
think of Constitution, because it happened to Guerriere during their
famous battle. I didn't realize how long this was going to end up being
when I first started writing it ;D
*ahem* to set the stage...
At
the start of the war, the Royal Navy had a naval presence in North
America consisting of 85 ships, including ships of the line. The U.S.
Navy was outnumbered nearly four to one (with 22 ships in total), with
their strongest ships being frigates (which made up the bulk of the USN
at the time).
The chief fighting strength of the USN was a small
squadron under the command of Commodore John Rodgers, consisting of
three frigates, and two sloops of war, which he commanded from the deck
of the USS President, sailing out of New York. Constitution was not
normally part of this squadron.
A week after the United States
declared war, Secretary of the Navy Paul Hamilton issued orders to
Rodgers' squadron to sail out of New York harbor, rendezvous with
Constitution, and then make way to Nova Scotia to engage the Royal Navy.
Rodgers, however, did not wait long enough to receive those orders, and
sailed out of New York immediately after receiving word of the
declaration of war. Constitution, under the command of Captain Isaac
Hull, was stuck in Annapolis, taking on new crew, while Rodgers left New
York and headed East to cross the Atlantic in an effort to catch a
British convoy from the West Indies before it could reach England, and
to engage Royal Navy targets of opportunity along the way.
Rodgers
almost immediately ran across and engaged HMS Belvidera, but Belvidera
escaped when one of the cannons on the gundeck of USS President
exploded, wounding Rodgers (not mortally). In the confusion and chaos,
Belvidera slipped away from Rodgers, and reported to Vice Admiral
Herbert Sawyer.
Sawyer feared that the USN was amassing the bulk
of their fleet in the area off the eastern seaboard of the United
States, and dispatched a squadron of five ships (the 64 gun ship of the
line HMS Africa, and the frigates Shannon, Aeolus, Belvidera, and
Guerriere) to concentrate specifically in the waters off New York, under
the command of Captain Philip Bowes Vere Broke. This concentration on
such a small area had the unintended side effect of allowing dozens of
American merchant vessels to escape from the guns of the Royal Navy, so
Rodgers' failure to sink the Belvidera in that first exchange was a bit
of a blessing in disguise for the USN.
Meanwhile, Captain Hull
had received Hamilton's orders, finished replenishing the crew of
Constitution, and made for New York to rendezvous with Rodgers and the
rest of the squadron. Of course, Rodgers was half way across the
Atlantic by this point, and Broke's squadron was already in the waters
off New York looking for revenge.
When entering the waters off
New York, Hull spotted four ships sailing west, with a fifth headed
directly for Constitution. He believed that this may have been Rodgers'
squadron, but was cautious, as he was uncertain what had caused the
fifth ship to become separated from the others. It was beginning to get
dark, so Hull ordered signal lights to be shown, but the approaching
ship did not identify herself, but there was sufficient distance to wait
until morning to further assess the situation.
The oncoming ship
was HMS Guerierre, under the command of Captain James Richard Dacres.
Dacres quickly realized that Constitution was a hostile vessel, but
became confused when his signals to the rest of is squadron went
unanswered. Fearing that he was sailing into a trap, he put as much
space between his own squadron, Guerriere, and Constitution as possible.
By
some miracle, the ships evaded each other for a week, until Hull was
able to escape south, and made for Boston. Dacres made for Halifax for a
much-needed refit, while Broke and Rodgers played cat and mouse in bad
weather in a positional duel over the previously mentioned British
convoy; Broke won that engagement without a shot fired by either side
(at each other; Rodgers managed to secure seven British merchant ships
on the voyage, but this was after failing to stop the convoy)
Three
weeks later, Constitution stopped the American privateer Decatur, and
was told that they had missed being spotted by a British frigate the day
before. Hull decided to take up the chase, and the chess game that is
naval warfare began in earnest.
In the early afternoon of 19
August, the crew of Constitution spotted a strange, large ship to
leeward, and moved in to investigate in heavy seas. As Hull closed in,
he realized that the ship was Guerriere, right around the same time that
Dacres recognized that he was about to be trading broadsides with the
same ship that had eluded him three weeks prior.
Dacres hove to
while both ships were still in the process of making ready for battle,
and fired a broadside that fell short. Constitution held at Guerriere's
quarter for nearly an hour, with Dacres occasionally yawing to fire
generally inaccurate broadsides, while Constitution's fore guns returned
fire to little effect. At one point, one of Guerriere's broadsides
managed to put a cannonball to Constitution, but it bounced off doing
virtually no damage to the ship. Famously, one of her crew then
exclaimed, "Huzzah! Her sides are made of iron!" earning Constitution
the nickname "Old Ironsides" which she still bears proudly to this day
(and would later go on to earn in less comedic fashion, in her duel with
the HMS Cyane and HMS Levant).
Over the course of the battle,
Hull gained the advantage as the two ships circled each other, and he
made the decision to loose additional sail. Constitution closed the
distance between the two, and the two vessels traded broadsides for
fifteen minutes. Guerriere had taken massive damage in the exchange,
while Constitution remained largely unharmed. Dacres could only watch in
horror as Guerriere's mizzenmast shattered and fell overboard to the
starboard, spinning her round, and allowing Constitution to cross ahead
of the crippled ship. Hull ordered a raking broadside, which brought
down the main yard.
Hull attempted to repeat the maneuver, but
cut too close, and Guerriere's bowsprit got caught in the rigging of
Constitution's mizzen. At this point, the marine attachments aboard both
ships began trading musket fire, using Guerriere's bowsprit as a
gangway between the ships, but both sides deciding it was unsafe due to
the heavy seas. After several long minutes with the two ships locked
together, the rigging of Constitution's mizzen gave way, and Guerriere's
bowsprit broke free. The shock to the already damaged ship shattered
the fore and mainmasts and both fell by the board, leaving her utterly
helpless, and with her starboard gun deck underwater as she rolled under
a heavy swell.
Hull seized the moment, and ran Constitution
downwind for a several minutes, repairing the damage to the mizzen
rigging, before turning once more to Guerriere, determined to sink her
if she would not surrender. While closing the gap and swinging round to
prepare another, likely fatal broadside, Dacres ordered all guns on the
opposite side to be fired. Hull took this as a sign of surrender, and
sent a lieutenant to Guerriere. When the lieutenant asked Dacres if he
was prepared to surrender, Dacres famously replied, "Well, Sir, I don't
know. Our mizzen mast is gone. Our fore and main masts are gone. I
think, on the whole, you might say we have struck our flag."
Thus
ends the battle that earned Constitution the nickname Old Ironsides,
although there is some further interesting information that came to
light in the aftermath.
Dacres was escorted to Constitution to
offer his sword as surrender, but Hull refused it, stating that he could
not accept the sword of a man who had fought so valiantly. Further,
Guerriere was clearly sinking, so the survivors were taken aboard
Constitution, where it was discovered that ten men had been pressed into
service aboard her. However, Dacres, being an honorable man, ordered
that the Americans aboard Guerriere remain below deck so that they would
not be faced with firing upon their own countrymen.
While the
victory of Constitution over Guerriere was militarily and logistically
unimportant, it proved a pivotal moment in American history. Guerriere
was just one of 600 ships in the Royal Navy. She was old, half-rotted,
had fewer guns (of smaller caliber), and had nearly a third less crew
than Constitution. Yet in the eyes of the American public, Constitution
had proved that the United States had the ability to go toe to toe with
the most powerful naval force in the history of the world, and not just
hold their own, but actually be victorious. This single, insignificant
victory, led to a policy still held by the US Navy, in that focusing on
building relatively fewer ships of superior quality, and having them
crewed by volunteers who felt they were paid fairly for their duty, was a
natural path to victory over any opposition.
The United States
would, arguably, go on to lose the war of 1812, although the war ended
with the treaty of Ghent largely because neither side saw a reason to
continue fighting with one another. I say arguably lost because of the
fact that Ross had managed to capture, occupy, and largely destroy the
United States capitol. I'd count that as a crippling tactical loss, much
in the same vein as the hypothetical scenario of the United States
capturing London and burning Parliament, Westminster Abbey, and
Buckingham Palace to the ground. That said, it's hard to say that the
war of 1812 was anything more than an extension of the Napoleonic Wars
(even as an American), although the outcome of the war set the stage for
the unfolding of global politics for the next two centuries.
I
could go on about that particular conflict for *hours* but I'll stop
here, lest I bore you all to tears. If you've read all of this, I
commend your dedication :)
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TL;DR = more coffee... ;D 8)
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Done with Volume 12. Volume 13 is a short one, after that, the Civil War!
6: 15 Apr 1851 - 16 Oct 1852
7: 17 Oct 1852 - 11 May 1854
8: 22 Feb 1855 - 31 Dec 1855
9: 1 Jan 1856 - 25 Jan 1857
11: 16 Dec 1857 - 31 Dec 1858
12: 1 Jan 1859 - 22 Dec 1859
13: 23 Dec 1859 - 14 Feb 1860
14: 5 June 1861 - 23 June 1862
15: 24 June 1862 - 9 July 1863
16: 10 July 1863 - 27 July 1864
17: 28 July 1864 - 17 Sep 1865
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February 14, 1860
Philadelphia Navy Yard
At 12.30 the
Ships company left the ship with their bags and hammocks - also the
Marine Guard - At 2.30 Hauled down the Ensign and pennant and put the
ship out of commission.
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Done with the very short Volume 13.
6: 15 Apr 1851 - 16 Oct 1852
7: 17 Oct 1852 - 11 May 1854
8: 22 Feb 1855 - 31 Dec 1855
9: 1 Jan 1856 - 25 Jan 1857
11: 16 Dec 1857 - 31 Dec 1858
12: 1 Jan 1859 - 22 Dec 1859
13: 23 Dec 1859 - 14 Feb 1860
14: 5 June 1861 - 23 June 1862
15: 24 June 1862 - 9 July 1863
16: 10 July 1863 - 27 July 1864
17: 28 July 1864 - 17 Sep 1865
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24/05/1852
dressed ship
Fired a salute of 21 guns, in honor of the anniversary of the birth of H. B. Majesty
That would have been Queen Victoria.
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4 PM wind direction: SE b E 1/2 E
5 PM wind direction: Sd + Ed
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They must have had their rum ration after 4 PM. ;D
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4 PM wind direction: SE b E 1/2 E
5 PM wind direction: Sd + Ed
I'd
seen that a couple times in the ships I have worked on.
Usually meant 'Southward by Eastward?!' (but the rum is a
better suggestion!) ;)
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SE by E 1/2 E doesn't... really make a lot of sense. S by E 1/2 E is
literally the same thing as ESE, which is a lot easier to write. But at
least they didn't get *really* drunk and write down something like
Levante-Scirocco (which also means the same thing) just to throw off
anyone reading the log.
Sd by Ed could be South by East, which is one point east of south on a standard 32 point compass.
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I see Sd + Ed so often that it seems unlikely to be something as specific as South by East :-\
I suspect that there is some slight variation but it is centered around SE :-\ :-\
Ed is popular too... http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_145_1.jpg
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So did I. I always thought it was a wet-finger-in-the-air type measurement.
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August 5, 1861
Off Amelia Island, Florida
At 5.40 discovered a sail bearing about S by W. At 5.50 called all hands got under way
All sail set by the wind in chase of the "Strange Sail"
The
Strange Sail in sight proved to be a "Barque", when hull in sight. She
went on shore near the Light House. Lowered boat & communicated with
~~~~. Numbers of people seen on the beach. Cleared away the gratings
from amidship in readiness for getting boats out.
Hoisted out Launch + 1st Cutter, Armed Launch, 1st & 4th Cutter & sent them in shore after strange sail
At
3.45 boats boarded strange sail, which proved to be the American barque
"Alvarado" from Cape Town ~ From papers found on board we ascertained
the "Alvarado" was captured on the 20th of June by the Privateer brig
"Jeff Davis", Lat. 25 North, Long 55 West. At 3.50 an armed Steamer
being seen from ship approaching boats, fired a gun, hoisted Cornet,
hove up anchor and stood in to Cove then ~ At 4.05 the Steamer drawing
near, the Cornet flying + the barque being aground, under cover of the
enemys batteries, which had been firing at the boats for an hour, the
boats left her, first setting her on fire in three places. At 5.25 the
Launch, the last of the Boats, reached the Ship.
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That was the first of five ships to be captured by the Jamestown:
After
the outbreak of the Civil War, Jamestown re-commissioned on 5 June 1861
and was assigned to the Atlantic Blockading Squadron, where she
compiled a record of outstanding efficiency. The sloop chased the bark Alvorado ashore off Fernandina, Florida and set her on fire on 5 August, and captured the schooner Aigburth off the coast of Florida on 31 August 1861. Four days later she captured, dismantled, and scuttled the schooner Colonel Long. Next she captured the schooner Havelock on 15 December. Her final prize was the brig Intended, taken off Wilmington, North Carolina on 1 May 1862.
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And all of them in this volume of the logs. Should make for interesting reading! 8)
That was the first of five ships to be captured by the Jamestown:
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50% Complete!
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The officer's signature for the last entry on this page
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol014of067/vol014of067_044_1.jpg)
caught my eye because it looked like an unusual name. I made it out to
be 'Phythian', which is a name I'd never heard of. A quick trip to
Google found that this was Robert L. Phythian
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_L._Phythian), a young officer who
would go on to have a very successful Navy career, which included a term
as Superintendent of the U.S. Naval Academy.
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http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/NHC/Callahan/ is very helpful ;)
Phythian, Robert L.
Acting
Midshipman, 28 January, 1853. Midshipman, 20 June, 1856. Passed
Midshipman, 29 April, 1859. Master, 5 September, 1859. Lieutenant, 25
December, 1860. Lieutenant Commander, 16 July, 1862. Commander, 13 July,
1870. Captain, 15 November, 1881. Commodore, 7 September, 1894. Retired
List, 21 July, 1897.
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August 31, 1861
The capture of the schooner Aigburth. Not a
lot of drama, they fired warning shots and the Aigburth hove to under
their guns. The Jamestown sent a nine man prize crew aboard ("all armed
with Cutlasses and Pistols"), along with twelve days of provisions, and
they parted company.
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September 4, 1861
Off South Carolina
From 3. to 6. Boarded the Schooner "Col Long"
previously boarded by us off Fernandina, from
Savannah bound to Key West the Captain pre-
senting himself as a poor destitute fisherman
supplied him with provisions and allowed him
to pass; at 3.30 brought on board Capt Mo~
Frederick Mortimer; Wm Perry; Chas W. Fa~
Wm Smith; Thomas Kelly; Chas Williams
Peter Riley. Brought the Schooner alongside and
dismantled her taking everything of any value
from her; At 4.45 "Scuttled", and "Cast Loose"
her, found the Schooners papers secreted beneath the cabin floor.
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ARRIVAL OF THE UNITED STATES SLOOP. OF WAR JAMESTOWN.
(http://www.nytimes.com/1861/09/14/news/arrival-of-the-united-states-sloop-of-war-jamestown.html)
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September 10, 1861
Hampton Roads
From 3 to 6.
Distributed the Arrowroot and Whiskey taken from
the "Col Long" to the different vessels of the squadron
by order of Flag Officer Stringham
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I bet that was a popular decision!
I'm a bit surprised about the Arrowroot (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrowroot) though.
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Me too, that's what caught my attention. The wiki article says it was popular during the Victorian era, though.
I'm a bit surprised about the Arrowroot (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrowroot) though.
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According to notes on the log pages, the position records for Oct 5
and Oct 6 are reversed. I transcribed them per the date correspondence
in the notes (i.e. swapped pages for position). The Obs and DR Latitudes
are also noted as reversed on the Oct 6 page (Oct 5 position), so
transcribed Obs Latitude per the strike-through notes.
::)
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol014of067/vol014of067_065_0.jpg
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Distributed the Arrowroot and Whiskey taken from
the "Col Long" to the different vessels of the squadron
Maybe a little too much to Jamestown ;)
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November 1, 1861
From 8 to Midnight. Broke the barometer.
Last entry was at 10 pm. ::)
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Edit:
Barometric pressure recording resumes at 8 pm on November 5 without
explanation. They were tied up to the "Young Rover
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Young_Rover_(1861))" that afternoon
to transfer water to her, maybe they got a new barometer in trade?
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November 4 precedes November 3 in the log book. I'm typing it as I see it.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol014of067/vol014of067_079_0.jpg
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That's I will do - if I ever get there ;)
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December 15, 1861
On blockade duty off South Carolina
...after "standing in chase" of a vessel...
From 4 to 8. [AM] At 4.40 hauled up
the courses and hove to, sent the 4th
Cutter on board of the sloop, cutter re-
-turned with Captain. At 5.15 made
all sail. At 6.45 sail in sight bearing
ESE. At 7 sail reported from aloft
bearing about NNE. 4th Cutter on board
of the sloop. Sloop proved to be
the "Havelock" with British
papers - but her muster roll showed
that she had shipped her crew in
Charleston S.C. on the 6th of October
from which port she had no clear-
-ance.
They
later sent a six man prize crew aboard with twelve days provisions,
received two men from the sloop's crew, and parted company.
They
also noted entering the Gulf Stream at 3.20, which is evident from the
rather abrupt rise in water temperature for a few hours.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol014of067/vol014of067_100_0.jpg
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January 17, 1862
Hampton Roads
This day's remarks + columns
was accidentally erased from the
log slate before being copied.
:o They're keeping the rough log on a chalkboard?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol014of067/vol014of067_116_1.jpg
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Perhaps the crew wanted to use the slate board to keep score for their dart game ;D
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:o They're keeping the rough log on a chalkboard?
Very surprising and interesting!
I guess a chalkboard might be easier to deal with on deck than paper and quill pen :-\
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It's great to find out a bit more about how they were working from a mistake made over 150 years ago!
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March 7, 1862
Off the Carolinas
From 8 to Meridian
Several water spouts in sight
Battened down the hatches
Seems the prudent thing to do. ;)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol014of067/vol014of067_141_0.jpg
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May 1, 1862
Off the Carolinas
From Meridian to 4.
[...] boarded the Brig "Intended" flying British colors. Sent a prize
crew [...] on board her, supplied her with 8 pair hand + 8 pair leg
irons, also provisions + water for 12 days.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol014of067/vol014of067_168_1.jpg
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May 8, 1862
Hampton Roads
From Meridian to 4 PM
The
U.S. Steamer "Monitor" and four other steamers got underway and stood
up towards Sewell's Point. At 0h30m the vessels commenced firing. The
shore batteries returned the fire. At 2.45 an Enemy "Steamer" appeared
when the "Minnesota" and five other Steamers got underway and stood
up At 3.30 the enemy disappeared and the steamers commenced
returning.
This was two months after the Monitor
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Monitor)'s famous encounter with the
CSS Virginia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS_Virginia) in the first
battle of ironclad ships, in this same area. The Minnesota
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Minnesota_(1855)) was damaged in that
fighting.
The enemy "Steamer" mentioned here may well be the CSS
Jamestown (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS_Jamestown), which
apparently tried to make a run into Norfolk on this day and was
rebuffed. She was scuttled up the James River a week later to block the
channel.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol014of067/vol014of067_172_0.jpg
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The cardinal directions on Jamestown are Nd, Sd, Ed, and Wd ::)
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Sometimes you'll get 'North', 'South', etc., but it's rare. ;)
The cardinal directions on Jamestown are Nd, Sd, Ed, and Wd ::)
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Done with Volume 14.
6: 15 Apr 1851 - 16 Oct 1852
7: 17 Oct 1852 - 11 May 1854
8: 22 Feb 1855 - 31 Dec 1855
9: 1 Jan 1856 - 25 Jan 1857
11: 16 Dec 1857 - 31 Dec 1858
12: 1 Jan 1859 - 22 Dec 1859
13: 23 Dec 1859 - 14 Feb 1860
14: 5 June 1861 - 23 June 1862
15: 24 June 1862 - 9 July 1863
16: 10 July 1863 - 27 July 1864
17: 28 July 1864 - 17 Sep 1865
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July 3, 1862
Philadelphia Navy Yard
From 8 to Meridian
Received from
Sail Loft twenty-five
National flags, 9 pendants
twenty-five American flags
and four pendants. Two sets
of Naval Signals, one set of
Roger's Signals; one quarantine
flag, and one Church pendant.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol015of067/vol015of067_007_0.jpg
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Well, here I am, several log-weeks into this volume before I noticed that there are horizontal rules printed on the sheets, and the log keepers are actually (mostly) using them! :o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol015of067/vol015of067_022_0.jpg
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September 25, 1862
Philadelphia Navy Yard
From 8 to Meridian
Capt. C. Price assumed command of the ship -
'C.'
as in Cicero Price (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicero_Price), it
turns out. Captain Price's daughter Lilian
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lily_Spencer-Churchill,_Duchess_of_Marlborough)
would eventually marry George Spencer-Churchill
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Spencer-Churchill,_8th_Duke_of_Marlborough),
uncle to Winston Churchill. ;) 8)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol015of067/vol015of067_049_1.jpg
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October 22, 1862
Another accidental erasure of the log slate before copying it... ;)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol015of067/vol015of067_063_0.jpg
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April 25, 1863
They report their position in the Meridian to 4pm entry as bearings to Princess Island (ESE 1/2 E) and Cockatoo Island
(NE by E). From their last reported coordinates they should be near the
Sunda Strait. Princess Island would be Panaitan
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panaitan), and the island to the NE by E
would probably be Krakatoa, although I could only find one possible
reference
(https://books.google.com/books?id=p3w6AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA95&lpg=PA95&dq=cockatoo+island+java+-sydney&source=bl&ots=4YaLvdEl97&sig=dcWXBR9nsZ9yzTI_6eaawdYH29c&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjAvI317sXOAhWEKB4KHQReA44Q6AEIJzAD#v=onepage&q=cockatoo%20island%20java%20-sydney&f=false)
to that.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol015of067/vol015of067_155_1.jpg
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Wonder if that is Princes Island as in the possessive?
Maybe they don't know either, I see two Princes and one Princes seemingly corrected to Princess :-\
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Done with Volume 15.
6: 15 Apr 1851 - 16 Oct 1852
7: 17 Oct 1852 - 11 May 1854
8: 22 Feb 1855 - 31 Dec 1855
9: 1 Jan 1856 - 25 Jan 1857
11: 16 Dec 1857 - 31 Dec 1858
12: 1 Jan 1859 - 22 Dec 1859
13: 23 Dec 1859 - 14 Feb 1860
14: 5 June 1861 - 23 June 1862
15: 24 June 1862 - 9 July 1863
16: 10 July 1863 - 27 July 1864
17: 28 July 1864 - 17 Sep 1865
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30/09/1852 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol006of067/vol006of067_189_0.jpg
Her B.M. Steamer "Locust" went down the river
This was the time of Queen Victoria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Victoria)
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April 25, 1863
They report their position in the Meridian to 4pm entry as bearings to Princess Island (ESE 1/2 E) and Cockatoo Island
(NE by E). From their last reported coordinates they should be near the
Sunda Strait. Princess Island would be Panaitan
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panaitan), and the island to the NE by E
would probably be Krakatoa, although I could only find one possible
reference
(https://books.google.com/books?id=p3w6AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA95&lpg=PA95&dq=cockatoo+island+java+-sydney&source=bl&ots=4YaLvdEl97&sig=dcWXBR9nsZ9yzTI_6eaawdYH29c&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjAvI317sXOAhWEKB4KHQReA44Q6AEIJzAD#v=onepage&q=cockatoo%20island%20java%20-sydney&f=false)
to that.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol015of067/vol015of067_155_1.jpg
It
almost has to be Krakatau, and it's almost frightening to know that
just a short 20 years later the whole island would blow itself apart. I
could see English speaking sailors distorting the name Krakatau into
Cockatoo, as they sound somewhat similar (although really nothing at all
alike).
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Second or third stream (not sure which I'm on) is done with volume 6.
6: 15 Apr 1851 - 16 Oct 1852
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8)
Second or third stream (not sure which I'm on) is done with volume 6.
6: 15 Apr 1851 - 16 Oct 1852
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I am in the same stream. I think it is third stream.
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I think you're right - whenever I asked for a page, I always got the first weather page of volume 7.
In
other words, the third stream has now caught up to the second, so one
of you will end up in stream 2 while the other will stay in stream 3.
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I currently get the first weather page of volume 7:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_002_1.jpg
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Just did: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_003_0.jpg
19/10/1852 & 20/10/1852
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Now I get 21st October 1852 - so it looks like Zovacor is in stream 2, and Randi is in stream 3.
Should be fine as long as no one else joins - I most certainly won't!
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;D
Should be fine as long as no one else joins - I most certainly won't!
I think d0cent drops in for a few from time to time.
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Yes
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USS Jamestown
October 5, 1863
Yokohama
At 12. a
"Regatta" took place in the harbour between Naval + other boats - our
Gig, 1st Cutter & Launch were entered to run in the regatta.
At
4 pm our "Boats" which entered to pull in the regatta returned ---
having won "Three prizes" - viz - "First Cutter" 1st prize -- "Gig"
& "Launch" each 2nd prizes.
Hurray for Team Jamestown! ;D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol016of067/vol016of067_047_0.jpg
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We're the best! ;D
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Of course we are the best ;D
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moderate breezes from S by W and E by S
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_003_1.jpg
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I don't miss that log format. ::) ;)
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December 19, 1863
Yokohama, Japan
At 7.45 passenger bark "Vampyr" got under weigh and left for sea.
:o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol016of067/vol016of067_084_1.jpg
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January 31, 1864
Amoy, China
At 9 A.M. put James Savage in the sweat box, for throwing a bucket at the capt of the main top and bruising him.
With temperatures in the 50's (F), chill box was probably more apt.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol016of067/vol016of067_106_0.jpg
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It might be something like this...
The
box, also known as a hot box or sweatbox, is a method of solitary
confinement used in humid and arid regions as a method of punishment.
Anyone placed in one would experience extreme heat, dehydration, heat
exhaustion, even death, depending on when and how long one was kept in
one.
...
The technique was used by prisons in the Southern United States until later in the 19th century
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They appear to have completely skipped the February 28 and 29, 1864, entries. ???
Feb 27:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol016of067/vol016of067_119_1.jpg
March 1:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol016of067/vol016of067_120_0.jpg
I guess 1864 was one of those rare reverse-leap years.
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;D
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I noticed that the lat/long data for the map on the ship's page is
embedded in the page code in a relatively easy format to use. I grabbed
that, did some quality control on the wayward entries, and made my own
map, without all those distracting ship icons. ;)
The voyages of the Jamestown, more or less, up through March, 1864:
(http://imgur.com/7OIxq8u.png)
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8)
Some of those dots look VERY familiar ;)
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Done with Volume 16...
6: 15 Apr 1851 - 16 Oct 1852
7: 17 Oct 1852 - 11 May 1854
8: 22 Feb 1855 - 31 Dec 1855
9: 1 Jan 1856 - 25 Jan 1857
11: 16 Dec 1857 - 31 Dec 1858
12: 1 Jan 1859 - 22 Dec 1859
13: 23 Dec 1859 - 14 Feb 1860
14: 5 June 1861 - 23 June 1862
15: 24 June 1862 - 9 July 1863
16: 10 July 1863 - 27 July 1864
17: 28 July 1864 - 17 Sep 1865
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September 29, 1864
Yokohama, Japan
Uh oh. There was a
death
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3377.msg133215#msg133215)
from smallpox a week before this. :(
From 8 to Meridian
During
the watch sent Alex Caesar (1st CBoy) Peter Franklin (Sea) Samuel
Graham (2nd CBoy) Geo W. Rogers (C.Mate) Wm Clawson (Lds) and Gardener
Parker (2nd CBoy) on shore to Small Pox Hospital in charge of Dr Walton,
with Lucius Whittaker (Lds) and Joseph Lightkep as his assistants.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol017of067/vol017of067_034_1.jpg
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Terrible end for the poor chap. I hope the smallpox didn't spread too far :(
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April 22, 1865
Inbound to Macao
Expended one can of Beef for pilot by order of Captain.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol017of067/vol017of067_140_0.jpg
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Was the Dan Dare needing a whole cow pie? :o
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June 1, 1865
Macao
Stood James Lomax on deck one hour from 9 to 10 pm, for misbehavior on duty, in playing the same tune over several times.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol017of067/vol017of067_160_0.jpg
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So wish they had named the tune that drove them nuts :)
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Must have been like the bard in the Asterix comics who always ended
up tied to a tree and gagged at communal feasts. ;D
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James Lomax - a descendant of Cacofonix? Could be...
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He is Assurancetourix to me because I used to read them in French to improve my vocabulary ;D
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;D ;D ;D
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Nice of them to mention it. ;)
This day crossed the Meridian so will have to have two days of the same date
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol017of067/vol017of067_184_0.jpg
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July 22, 1865
They've been away a long time...
Course and Dist to San Francisco South 77 1/2 Deg East 2160 Miles
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol017of067/vol017of067_186_0.jpg
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July 22, 1865
They've been away a long time...
Course and Dist to San Francisco South 77 1/2 Deg East 2160 Miles
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol017of067/vol017of067_186_0.jpg
I
must have missed something here - is 2160 a silly distance? Sorry to
ask. Of course it must just be that my brain is longing for
bedtime! :D
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I think Bob just means that the ship has been away for the US of A for a long time, and is now finally heading home.
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;) I've forgotten when they left Philadelphia, but I think it was well over a year before this.
I think Bob just means that the ship has been away for the US of A for a long time, and is now finally heading home.
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August 11, 1865
Mare Island Navy Yard
From 8 to Meridian:
At 12, called all hands to muster and read General Order concerning the lamentable death of the President.
President Lincoln was shot on April 14 and died the following day.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol017of067/vol017of067_196_0.jpg
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August 13, 1865
Mare Island Navy Yard
A very long list of charts, mostly by number, sent to the USS Saranac. :o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol017of067/vol017of067_197_0.jpg
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Wow - can we have them too please? ;)
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Done with the Jamestown... ;)
6: 15 Apr 1851 - 16 Oct 1852
7: 17 Oct 1852 - 11 May 1854
8: 22 Feb 1855 - 31 Dec 1855
9: 1 Jan 1856 - 25 Jan 1857
11: 16 Dec 1857 - 31 Dec 1858
12: 1 Jan 1859 - 22 Dec 1859
13: 23 Dec 1859 - 14 Feb 1860
14: 5 June 1861 - 23 June 1862
15: 24 June 1862 - 9 July 1863
16: 10 July 1863 - 27 July 1864
17: 28 July 1864 - 17 Sep 1865
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Congratulations!
What are you gonna do next?
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That's getting to be a tough call these days. Do you know of any that have the third stream unworked?
What are you gonna do next?
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Done with the Jamestown... ;)
Woweee! ;D ;D ;D Congratulations Bob! Thumbs up!
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That's getting to be a tough call these days. Do you know of any that have the third stream unworked?
The Thetis, Unalga and Patterson are definitely full, so that leaves just the Albatross 1890, Albatross 1900 and Yorktown.
But
I suspect those are also taken - I only do the Albatross 1890 on even
days, and every time I log on, the stream has advanced another few days
from where I left it.
Albatross 1900 has Silvia, Hurlock and Stuart.
Yorktown has Maikel, Silvia and Craig.
Sorry Bob - there may not be anything left by this point. :(
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If necessary I could limit myself to Albatross 1900. I am currently
doing August 1897 and May 1908 on the Albatross but I am only managing
about 50 WRs per day now.
Albatross 1890 should have a stream vacant though. Only Lollia and myself seem to be active on it.
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I'll work Albatross 1890 for a while then, or at least until I hear complaints. ;)
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Congrats! Just 10 logbooks to go on the second (and perhaps third) stream(s).
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Congrats, Bob!
I
only do the Albatross 1890 on even days, and every time I log on, the
stream has advanced another few days from where I left it.
Some of that might be me, I've done a few pages on Albatross 1890
I'll work Albatross 1890 for a while then, or at least until I hear complaints. ;)
but I'm not going to complain!
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;D Thanks!
I'll work Albatross 1890 for a while then, or at least until I hear complaints. ;)
but I'm not going to complain!
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The Albatross 1890 stream (Aug 1897) I was working has not had any more transcriptions done on it so I shall do a few more.
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I'll be back on Jamestown 1844 in a day or two!
When I ask for a page I get: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_013_1.jpg
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8)
Just thirteen years to go. ;)
I'll be back on Jamestown 1844 in a day or two!
When I ask for a page I get: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol007of067/vol007of067_013_1.jpg
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Wind direction(s): NW, Westd and Southd
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Surveyed, condemned, and threw overboard 125 lbs of bread dust and 204 lbs bread
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:o
That must have been some really stale bread...
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I was hoping they meant flour, but...
DUST. The refuse of biscuit in the bread-room.
Urp
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That's what happens when the worms get at your hardtack. :(
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Reminds me of a scene from a Hornblower book.
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General
Urquiza approved of the landing of the foreign troops, their action in
firing upon those bent upon pillage, and requested that these forces
remain until such time as he had perfected arrangements for the proper
policing of the city and had reestablished tranquility. Commodore
McKeever states, relative to the service rendered by the American
Marines: "Great credit it due to our gallant Marines for their share in
the restoration of comparative safety to life and property. They were
under the command of Captain Taylor of the Congress and Lieutenant
Tattnall of the Jamestown." General Rosas, after his defeat at the hands
of General Urquiza is said to have entered the city in disguise, and
made his escape in the night to H.B.M. Centaur and later on a steamer
bound for England.
On
the 11th of September of this same year another outbreak occurred which
necessitated the landing of another detachment of American Marines.
This new outbreak was caused by reason of the action of General Urquiza
in deposing the officials of the provisional government whom he had
previously appointed, and the assuming himself of the office of Governor
of that province. Just prior to this insurrection, Commodore McKeever
arrived at Montevideo, and on the 3rd of August despatched Captain
Samuel W. Downing, in the Jamestown, to Buenos Ayres to observe
conditions. He arrived, and was present when the outbreak occurred. This
affair did not reach the proportions that the earlier one had.
Nevertheless, a Marine guard at the American Consulate was deemed
advisable, and on the 17th of September a guard was so landed for the
protection of American interests. The exact date those Marines returned
to their ship is as yet unascertainable. However, it is believed to be
sometime in April, 1853.
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I recall Jamestown spending a lot of time in Montevideo and Buenos Aires in those years.
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Yes... :P
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At 8 the French Sloop of War, and Brig commenced and fired a salute of 106 guns
...
At 11 the French and English Steamers and Spanish Corvette fired 21 guns in honor of the Coronation of the Emperor Napoleon 3'rd
At the end of the 4 to 8 watch, the pressure was 28.14
At the end of the 8 to Meridian watch, the pressure was 29.10
Coincidence?
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That was a lot of booms. :o
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12 Feb 1853
From Meridian to 4
Sent
the Aneroid Barometer on board H.B.M. Steamer "Centaur" for comparison _
found the difference to be one inch and three tenth . regulated it to
correspond _
For the 8 to Meridian watch the pressure was 28.25
For the Meridian to 4 watch the pressure was 29.90
:o :o :o
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Yep- the readings were all in the 28.XX for almost a year. The
recalibration makes the values more realistic (perhaps still not
accurate though) for a while and then the barometer goes back down into
the high 28.XXs after half a year or so. Not sure whats wrong with
their equipment for it to migrate like that.
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Finished the log that ends May 11, 1854. The next log is much more
data rich, with an actual working barometer and, for the first time, a
thermometer!. Even a sea ice recording on the first log page (in the
Delaware River...).
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8) ;D
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a thermometer!.
WOW!
I don't know if I will be able to stand the excitement!
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Who else is working on the stream that is currently at August-September 1853?
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Me - although I fear that saying that I am "working on" that stream is a bit optimistic :-[
Albatross 1900 needs transcribers ;)
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As soon as you get to the next logbook (starting 1855), the
recordkeeping becomes much more systematic. I'd say 1 or 2 stars. I
think the 4 star logbooks are behind us now.
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Okay - I think it's actually leelaht in my stream, as her WR count
has increased by a lot recently, and my stream advanced by a whole month
in two days when I was not working on it.
I'll move over to Albatross 1900.
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yep, Jamestown is my new home
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Awesome. It will be nice to get it done!
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16/04/1855
Received in the Masters Department a new Barometer
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Nothing like a little international cooperation ;)
At
5 received on board the Pilot At 5.30 Called all hands to up
Anchor got underway and was towed to the mouth of the Harbour _ by
the Boats from the English French + Spanish Men of Warandour own
At 7.30 discharged the Pilot
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The wind is to the backs of those two cutters that just blew by. ;)
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On to the last logbook! 1 year of entries to go.
Its also
rough to see on the note from the first page of the logbook that they
were scanned in November of 2012. We've been at this a long time.
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On to the last logbook! 1 year of entries to go.
:) :) :)
Its
also rough to see on the note from the first page of the logbook that
they were scanned in November of 2012. We've been at this a long time.
:'(
Mind you, a lot of other ships have been done! :)
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On to the last logbook! 1 year of entries to go.
Almost to the finish! 8)
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'100% Complete'
Getting close!
8) 8) 8)
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'100% Complete'
Getting close!
8) 8) 8)
Bravo!
I looked a few days ago and the page that came up was 1 April. The page
that comes up now is 8 June. It won't be long until it's done. :)
:) :)
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Ha, I stayed up late last night to finish May. I have 2 hours to get as much of June as I can (plus eat dinner).
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Ha, I stayed up late last night to finish May. I have 2 hours to get as much of June as I can (plus eat dinner).
Hmmmph. If you were really addicted to OW, thoughts of dinner wouldn't even cross your mind!
;D ;D ;D
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Put the babies to sleep- dishes then OW.
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Some candidates for the addiction topic? ;D
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I think Jamestown is finished.
It's feeding me a bunch of miscellaneous log pages from other ships (Yorktown, Albatross).
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Oh my!! I tried it and got other ships too. Is anyone else working on Jamestown (1844) please? :)
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Nope, you're done!!!! :) :) :) :) :)
I logged in and I got a page for Albatross 1900.
Fireworks please!
So, it's Albatross 1900 or Yorktown.
I'll let, you, Leelaht, make the official announcement on Chat, or wherever. ;)
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That means the entire Jamestown is finished - hooray!
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(http://scholarsatwright.org/gulliver.gif)
:-*
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I'll notify the PTB ;D
Well done, everyone!
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Wow! Nicely done, all!
8) 8) 8)
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Awesome! Way to go!
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Well done everyone.
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Makes me feel all collywobbly - the big log-books that appeared
endless when they arrived - nearly all done. What amazing work.
Well done team Jamestown 1844! :D :-* :D
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I've been wondering why the Jamestown was pulled from blockade duty
in the middle of the Civil War and sent to the Far East. This would
appear to be the reason (page down to 'domestic disturbances'):
https://books.google.com/books?id=y5uFUVMxus0C&lpg=PA750&ots=nIo8BSWe6a&dq=USS%20Jamestown%20Shimonoseki&pg=PA745#v=onepage&q&f=false
See also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Amity_and_Commerce_(United_States%E2%80%93Japan)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taikun
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Unexpected Enemies in the Civil War: The Japanese (Part One)
(http://hamptonroadsnavalmuseum.blogspot.com/2015/10/unexpected-enemies-in-civil-war.html)
Unexpected
Enemies in the Civil War: The Japanese (Part Two)
(https://hamptonroadsnavalmuseum.blogspot.com/2015/11/unexpected-enemies-in-civil-war.html)
The
situation in Japan remained uncertain for many months in late 1863 and
early 1864. The Choshu and other anti-foreign factions were opposing the
Japanese government in many places. The situation was dangerous for
non-Japanese, as they were attacked in many instances (the American
minister to Japan had to be protected by troops). Various foreign
governments attempted to negotiate with the Prince of Nagato (Choshu),
but met with little success. By May 1864, the American minister to Japan
requested Captain Cicero Price to bring the Gosport-built USS Jamestown
to Yokohama as soon as possible "in view of the probability of a
combined movement against the Prince of Nagato."* It seemed at this
point that the Europeans and Americans were getting tired of fruitless
negotiations as the Shimonoseki Straits remained closed. In July, Price
reported that war was being threatened, as the British and Dutch were
massing ships and troops. The next month, an American steamer was
attacked near the Choshu lands, which did not surprise Price: "[He] is
the most rebellious of the daimios, and it is he whom the combined
treaty powers propose to attack."
Deeming that the straits could
"only be opened by force," the treaty powers planned their attack. The
British had nine ships, the Dutch had four and the French had three, but
Jamestown was the only available American ship. However, the strong
currents at Shimonoseki meant that the sailing sloop, lacking steam
engines, would be nearly worthless in fleet maneuvers in those tight
quarters. Yet the other foreign governments "wished...that the American
flag should appear in the strait on the occasion of the attack...to show
that we were in accord with the movement."