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Library => The voyages, the work, the people, the places => Topic started by: Helen J on 06 April 2012, 16:04:04
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Cardiff has had a rather better log keeper for while now, one who
believes he may get another bottle of ink when this one runs out;
however on the day when something historic actually happens, we're back
to the spidery writer with his very watery ink. Hence, I need some
help!
Cardiff has proceeded out into the North Sea where she's met
the Konigsberg and (I've discovered from other sources) has helped to
escort her back to the Firth of Forth to sign the surrender.
However I can't altogether decipher the relevant entries. What
I've got (this is in mid afternoon) is 'Sighted/Signalled? German LC
Konigsberg'. And then a little later 'Konigsberg formed 3 cables
~. Squadron took station of either side of her. Destroyers
?screening ~.
If anyone can help with any of this, I'll be very
grateful. It's one of the few significant things to have happened
on the entire voyage so far, so I'd like to get it accurate!
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37063/ADM53-37063-0010_1.jpg
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Hi Helen
The best I can do is. "Konigsberg formed 3 cables
astern. Squadron took station on either side of her. Destroyers
screening ahead."
Not certain about it, but I hope it helps someone else to get closer. It is indeed an important event.
Good luck.
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looks like, for the destroyers: ...destroyers screening ahead
maybe: Konigsberg formed 3 cables abeam
I also think the word is sighted
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Cardiff
has had a rather better log keeper for while now, one who believes he
may get another bottle of ink when this one runs out; however on the day
when something historic actually happens, we're back to the spidery
writer with his very watery ink. Hence, I need some help!
Cardiff
has proceeded out into the North Sea where she's met the Konigsberg and
(I've discovered from other sources) has helped to escort her back to
the Firth of Forth to sign the surrender. However I can't
altogether decipher the relevant entries. What I've got (this is
in mid afternoon) is 'Sighted/Signalled? German LC Konigsberg'.
And then a little later 'Konigsberg formed 3 cables ~. Squadron
took station of either side of her. Destroyers ?screening ~.
If
anyone can help with any of this, I'll be very grateful. It's one
of the few significant things to have happened on the entire voyage so
far, so I'd like to get it accurate!
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37063/ADM53-37063-0010_1.jpg
And in third place ;D I believe it's:
"Sighted
German LC Konigsberg". (His "l" is a straight stick - visibility,
5 lines above; "d" has a curved or sloping stick - squadron, above
& below)
"Konigsberg formed 3 cables astern. Squadron took station on either side of her. Destroyers screening ahead."
(Oops)
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Thank you all; it gets better. On 21st November Cardiff is at
the head of the fleet esorting the German fleet into captivity. I
don't usually post long transcriptions, but I'm going to make an
exception for this one. And, by a miracle, it's the better
logkeeper! There's just one word I can't get.
It begins early in the morning:
1.40 Proceeded in company with Phaeton
Co & speed as req'te to form astern of 10th flotilla off Fidra.
4.40 Stopped Port to make good defect in Port Condensor.
7.13 Hauled down and atempted to man K.B; gave up attempt owing to wind.
7.26 Sighted German fleet.
7.46 8K. Turned up ahead of Seydlitz leading 14 German Ca~ ships, 7 LCs & 49 destroyers.
7.54 Co & speed as req't for taking station 3 cables ahead of Seydlitz.
9.15 Grand Fleet in two divisions passing to N & S & forming on either beam.
1.23 Parted company from German fleet
1.46 German Fleet anchored
2.20 Secured to G1 Buoy (this is back in Rosyth)
Grand Fleet returned to harbour
Returned kite balloon.
And then at 6pm Read Prayers of Thanksgiving for Victory
I
found my favourite book, Thompson's Imperial War Museum Book of the War
at Sea 1914 - 1918 very useful for giving me the wider picture of what
was going on here. From that it appears that the 14 ships were a
mixture of 9 Battleships, and 5 Battle Cruisers. It's fascinating
to see a bit of history from the viewpoint of a participant, even if a
rather laconic one!
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37063/ADM53-37063-0013_1.jpg
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that word is Capital
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that word is Capital
And I was going to say: "That's capital, young lady! Just capital."
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Thank you Kathy, and Bunts - it's not an obvious word to use in the
context .... I suppose it means 'chief/important' - I was looking
for something more nautically technical.
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Thank
you Kathy, and Bunts - it's not an obvious word to use in the context
.... I suppose it means 'chief/important' - I was looking for
something more nautically technical.
Yep.
Particularly battleships and battle-cruisers. Later on, purpose built aircraft carriers would be included.
Inter-war treaties decided on, circa, 20,000 + tons with heavy armour and large calibre guns.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_ship
Technical enough?
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I still think the word associated with the Konigsberg is abeam
because as the next page (which outlines what happens with the Grand
Fleet) the ships form 2 lines North & South on either beam.
I think forming up on something implies being on either side, not front or behind (astern)
;D just my 2 cents worth...
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Thanks for posting that. HMS Ceres was part of the escort but they didn't record much detail so it was great to see.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/oldweather/ADM53-37500/C3-ADM-53-37500-0013_1.jpg
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Glad to have helped. I've recorded Ceres coming and going a
lot while in Rosyth (along with lots of other 'C's). We're now off
in Copenhagen, and Cassandra has just been blown up by a mine. No
sign of Ceres over here yet ....
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Ceres was there too (and also Caradoc) when Cassandra hit the mine.
Cardiff
gets mentioned a lot in Ceres logs in 1918. We were following you about
a lot as part of the 6th Light Cruiser Squadron.
The new logs for Ceres are for 1919 and it looks like we've gone our separate ways.
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I still think the word associated with the Konigsberg is abeam
because as the next page (which outlines what happens with the Grand
Fleet) the ships form 2 lines North & South on either beam.
I think forming up on something implies being on either side, not front or behind (astern)
;D just my 2 cents worth...
I'm going to have to disagree with you, here, Kathy - I think the word is astern. If the Konigsberg took station 3 cables abeam and then the Squadron took station either side of her
then they're likely to be bumping into the Cardiff on one side, aren't
they? I visualize this as the Cardiff at the head, the Konigsberg
behind, and the other Royal Navy ships either side. Meaning that
if the Konigsberg has a sudden change of mind the only way out is to go
sharply into reverse!
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Ceres was there too (and also Caradoc) when Cassandra hit the mine.
Cardiff
gets mentioned a lot in Ceres logs in 1918. We were following you about
a lot as part of the 6th Light Cruiser Squadron.
The new logs for Ceres are for 1919 and it looks like we've gone our separate ways.
Just met Ceres in Libau (Latvia) on 19th December 1918; so she obviously made a quick foray to the Baltic ....
And now we're leaving Copenhagen together - on 6th January 1919.
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I still think the word associated with the Konigsberg is abeam
because as the next page (which outlines what happens with the Grand
Fleet) the ships form 2 lines North & South on either beam.
I think forming up on something implies being on either side, not front or behind (astern)
;D just my 2 cents worth...
I'm going to have to disagree with you, here, Kathy - I think the word is astern. If the Konigsberg took station 3 cables abeam and then the Squadron took station either side of her
then they're likely to be bumping into the Cardiff on one side, aren't
they? I visualize this as the Cardiff at the head, the Konigsberg
behind, and the other Royal Navy ships either side. Meaning that
if the Konigsberg has a sudden change of mind the only way out is to go
sharply into reverse!
Impeccable logic, thursdaynext.
If not convincing, see attachment. ;)
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Well, I had looked at the log page before I posted, and I am convinced, because the word in question looks like "astern" to me! (Or am I missing your point here?)
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Sorry. :-[
It seems I was not pointing sufficiently clearly.
I
agreed entirely with your reasoning and conclusion. I processed the
snippet for the benefit of anyone who remained unconvinced (mentioning
no names ... Kathy). ;D
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I'm sorry - it's not you, it's me! I must be suffering from
brainfade as I seem to have wilfully read your post with incorrect
pronunciation, as: "Impeccable logic, thursdaynext, if not
convincing. See attachment." (It's "Eats Shoots and Leaves"
all over again!)
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;D :-*
Probably not fully recovered from the effects of the influenza pandemic. It takes more out of you than you'd believe.
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I accept your reading of the word in question, but I reserve the
right to mutter meaninglessly to my self about it ;D
:P
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I
accept your reading of the word in question, but I reserve the right to
mutter meaninglessly to my self about it ;D :P
As I continually say to Mrs B: "You are entitled to your opinion, Dear, no matter how wrong it may be."
I extend you the same courtesy. ;)
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ppfffttt :P
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ppfffttt :P
That sounds familiar ...
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I still think the word associated with the Konigsberg is abeam
because as the next page (which outlines what happens with the Grand
Fleet) the ships form 2 lines North & South on either beam.
I think forming up on something implies being on either side, not front or behind (astern)
;D just my 2 cents worth...
I'm going to have to disagree with you, here, Kathy - I think the word is astern. If the Konigsberg took station 3 cables abeam and then the Squadron took station either side of her
then they're likely to be bumping into the Cardiff on one side, aren't
they? I visualize this as the Cardiff at the head, the Konigsberg
behind, and the other Royal Navy ships either side. Meaning that
if the Konigsberg has a sudden change of mind the only way out is to go
sharply into reverse!
Impeccable logic, thursdaynext.
If not convincing, see attachment. ;)
I'm
sorry - it's not you, it's me! I must be suffering from brainfade
as I seem to have wilfully read your post with incorrect pronunciation,
as: "Impeccable logic, thursdaynext, if not convincing. See
attachment." (It's "Eats Shoots and Leaves" all over again!)
I found it confusing too :-[
I realize now that I read it the same way as thursdaynext. She caused me to look at the punctuation and capitalization....
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ppfffttt :P
That sounds familiar ...
In our house it is pronounced Hrrumpff!!!
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;D ;D
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I'm wondering a little what I've started here! It was a simple
request for help with the handwriting, and it seems that gender wars
are breaking out all over! :o :o