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Title: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Randi on June 27, 2018, 05:21:11 pm
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This year was not transcribed during OW3, so we are doing Ice Hunting, Weather, and Events.

On the weather page, please enter: locations, distances, courses, and all the weather data in the columns outlined in red in the spreadsheet.
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Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Randi on June 27, 2018, 05:29:09 pm
Ice Hunting Guide (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4690.0)
Using the Tracker for Ice Hunting (Provisional) (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4821.0)
Ask Questions Here (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4826.0)


OW web site: Corwin (https://sites.google.com/view/owfaq/ships/shipyard/corwin)

Direct links
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Randi on June 27, 2018, 05:32:25 pm
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Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Randi on June 27, 2018, 05:32:34 pm
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Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Pommy Stuart on August 28, 2018, 01:23:30 pm
Any suggestions please. New scribe.

9am, 11am and 3pm weather column, b?
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919267/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/corwin/vol194/26-159A-corwin-vol194_039.jpg (https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919267/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/corwin/vol194/26-159A-corwin-vol194_039.jpg)

2pm ??r, 6pm ocr?, 10pm ?r
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919267/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/corwin/vol194/26-159A-corwin-vol194_040.jpg (https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919267/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/corwin/vol194/26-159A-corwin-vol194_040.jpg)

TIA
Stuart.
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Joke Slayer on August 28, 2018, 02:37:48 pm
My guesses

Quote from: Pommy Stuart on August 28, 2018, 01:23:30 pm
9am, 11am and 3pm weather column, b?
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919267/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/corwin/vol194/26-159A-corwin-vol194_039.jpg (https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919267/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/corwin/vol194/26-159A-corwin-vol194_039.jpg)

Those look like b, however it looks a bit odd how there seem to be two different b's

Quote from: Pommy Stuart on August 28, 2018, 01:23:30 pm
2pm ??r, 6pm ocr?, 10pm ?r
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919267/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/corwin/vol194/26-159A-corwin-vol194_040.jpg (https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919267/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/corwin/vol194/26-159A-corwin-vol194_040.jpg)

2pm - ccr (probably scribe mistake)
6pm - ocr
10pm - ur
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Hurlock on August 28, 2018, 02:45:25 pm
I would say bh, bc, bc for the first page.  The second page looks like what joke slayer has suggested though it does not seem like normal usage.
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Pommy Stuart on August 28, 2018, 03:53:52 pm
Thanks guys and or girls?

The new guy has started using thick in the text. In general over the two day it does not seem to be (u)Ugly
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Hurlock on August 28, 2018, 10:27:25 pm
They do seem to correspond to event page entries of thick (very foggy?), but do not look like 'f' or 'm'.
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Pommy Stuart on September 16, 2018, 10:38:13 pm
Yet another scribe giving me problems. This time the N & W. Some tails curve in some out and some not at all.
Any help appreciated.

https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919267/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/corwin/vol194/26-159A-corwin-vol194_103.jpg (https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919267/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/corwin/vol194/26-159A-corwin-vol194_103.jpg)

Position two days previous
47  50  53 N, 147  42  58 W outbound to Alaska from SF
These directions do not seem right.

Starting 1am
I have put NWxN1/2W / W3/4N
9am I have put W3/4W / W1/2N
1pm - W1/2W (but it could be N1/2W)
10pm - W1/2W / NWxW1/2W

TIA

Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Hurlock on September 16, 2018, 11:02:06 pm
I think the 1am is NWxW1/2W.  I agree with you on all the others.  I have guessed that where the tail curves inwards it is a N.  If it is straight or curving out it is a W.
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Pommy Stuart on September 16, 2018, 11:06:53 pm
Thanks. I should have picked 1am as a N
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Randi on September 17, 2018, 06:23:10 am
1am - NWxN1/2W / W3/4N --- agree with Hurlock

9am - W3/4W / W1/2N
I don't think W3/4W makes any sense :-\
How could it be more West that W?
I would go for " / W1/2N (where " represents W3/4N)

1pm - W1/2W
I would go for W1/2N

10pm - W1/2W / NWxW1/2W
I would go for " / NWxW1/2W (where " represents W1/2N)


Another opinion would be welcome ;)
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: propriome on September 17, 2018, 08:05:09 am
For another opinion, i'd agree with most of Randi readings except the first one, but is just a matter of how curved is the N vs. how straight is the W (and seem not to apply anymore after 1am ::) )

1am:  NWxW1/2W / W3/4N
9am: " / W1/2N  -- agree with Randi
1pm: W1/2N -- agree with Randi, i think they've not changed course, only reported what was there before noon
10pm: " / NWxW1/2W -- agree, same as 1am course

No WxW or W(n)W is a possible course as it would miss a N/S component (here (http://tamivox.org/dave/compass/index.html) there are compass cards up to 128 points :o).

Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Randi on September 17, 2018, 08:36:04 am
Sorry, I wasn't clear with my wording.
For 1am I agree with Hurlock - and Matteo - that it should be NWxW1/2W

Wow! if I scroll Matteo's 128 point card slightly off screen up or down the red and blue circles appear to rotate :o

Reading Wind Direction - scroll down for 128 point compass (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=843.msg7628#msg7628) ;)

Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Michael on September 17, 2018, 09:03:51 am
I agree with Matteo.
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Pommy Stuart on September 17, 2018, 01:34:59 pm
Look out Michael, your going to have fun with this voyage. hard to read course directions and only Lat/Long every few days.

Thanks to all. I will go back a few days and try and make sense using your suggestions.
For me they do not get any easier to read or make sense off.

I am going to look at this full list of directions to see if it helps.

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Points_of_the_compass#128_compass_directions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Points_of_the_compass#128_compass_directions)

I will advise if I need the sent up file deleted and a new one added when I sort it out.
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Randi on September 17, 2018, 01:41:32 pm
You may find Matteo's site (http://tamivox.org/dave/compass/index.html) more helpful ;)

Search for table enumerates the 128 points
The pdf version of the 128-point compass card is more readable than the embedded.
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Pommy Stuart on September 17, 2018, 02:06:03 pm
I have resent the file under this name

26-159A-corwin-vol194_0103_A2130F5A CORRECTED .xml

Would someone please delete the original file.
26-159A-corwin-vol194_0103_A2130F5A.xml
Thanks
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Randi on September 17, 2018, 03:25:29 pm
Done
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Pommy Stuart on September 19, 2018, 12:08:05 am
A few words I cannot get and some may need corrections Re the finding of a dead body.
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https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919267/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/corwin/vol194/26-159A-corwin-vol194_117.jpg (https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919267/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/corwin/vol194/26-159A-corwin-vol194_117.jpg)

8-mid.
Natives came onboard, learned from them that three men had  seen the body of Master Putman (?) on the ice six ? after the ? people had left the place men were out searching between North and South heads, two miles from land ? ? on ice that had drifted into the bay.
 were closer to the body, saw Putman's revolver in ? ? ? broken stick but did not disturd anything. The ice afterwards drifted up through the ?.

Again TIA
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Hurlock on September 19, 2018, 01:50:54 am
This is what I think it could be.

... Master Putnam on the ice, six days after the Rodgers' people had left the place.  Men were out searching between North and South Heads, two miles from land, & saw [?] on ice that had drifted into the Bay. Were closer to the body, saw Putnam's revolver, a dog's skeleton & a broken sled [?] but did not disturb anything.  The ice afterwards drifted up through the straits
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Pommy Stuart on September 19, 2018, 02:29:15 am
Looks good to me. Now I think it says When closer to the body
Thanks.
Is it just me, or is it, hard to read?
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Hurlock on September 19, 2018, 03:30:00 am
'when' makes more sense, but the word does not look like it.  There is a vertical mark before the word that is a bit lower than the rest of the sentence.  I wondered if the sentence started with 'I'.  Not easy to read handwriting as we might expect from someone who does not write N or W distinctly in the course details.
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Randi on September 19, 2018, 06:22:16 am
Horrible writing! You two did a fantastic job!
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Pommy Stuart on September 19, 2018, 01:18:32 pm
Going back to 'were' as it does look like 'were' from two lines up and a little left.
Does not read well but that's how I/we see it.
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Pommy Stuart on September 23, 2018, 01:20:39 pm
Writing has improved.  ;)

Noticed that Charles Heidrich, coal-passer was appearing on the sick list every day.
Went back and checked, first mention July 24th and every day till arr in SF Nov 16th.
That's a long time to be unwell.  :(

(no mention as to why)
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Randi on September 23, 2018, 01:54:59 pm
That must have been horrible for him and for those that had to do the work that he would otherwise have been doing. And given that he was a coal passer, that must have been brutal.
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Pommy Stuart on September 23, 2018, 06:11:58 pm
1882-09-29
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919267/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/corwin/vol194/26-159A-corwin-vol194_169.jpg

4:30pm
Underway with Rev Moses Salimatoff and Daughter on board for the passage to Belkofsky, in order to enable us to find witnesses against the murderer ??omoff.

Also I cannot find the Island referred to at 8:00pm. Spis?kin Island
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Randi on September 23, 2018, 06:58:43 pm
According to https://archive.org/stream/geographicdictio00bake#page/384, Spirkin Island is Biorka https://archive.org/stream/geographicdictio00bake#page/98

Biorka Island is now Sedanka Island http://www.geonames.org/5873633/sedanka-island.html
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Pommy Stuart on September 23, 2018, 07:44:48 pm
Thanks. I have bookmarked that reference book.
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Pommy Stuart on September 26, 2018, 12:19:32 am
Over three days 23, 24, 25 & 26 Oct 1882
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919267/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/corwin/vol194/26-159A-corwin-vol194_193.jpg (https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919267/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/corwin/vol194/26-159A-corwin-vol194_193.jpg)

Oct 23th
Received information of an Indian outbreak at Koutznoo; made preparation to go to place of troubles

Oct 24th
... stood up sitka Sound for Killisnoo at which place the Indians are reported to be giving trouble having taken possession of property belonging to white people.

Oct 25th
Anchored Summer Village
Landed men, took a number of Indians prisoners, and took charge of all the canoes.
Demanded of the Indians 400 blankets; in case the blankets were refused, the village would be burned and the canoes destroyed.

Oct 26th
Made preparations for shelling Indian Village.
Indians bringing only 81 blankets, burned their summer houses and destroyed forty canoes.
Hove to off Hootsnoo village and shelled it. Landed marines and sailors from "Corvin" and "Favorite" under cover of guns and fired the village.  No resistance from the Indians. Expended one axe (lost overboard). Expended 15 cartridges and 15 loaded shells.
Boats returned to vessel steamed down to Killisnoo Harbor and anchored.
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Randi on September 26, 2018, 05:51:35 am
 :'(
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Hurlock on September 26, 2018, 08:00:30 am
There is information online about this event which has become called the Angoon bombardment.  At this time Alaska had no civil government and was essentially run by the Navy.  There was concern in the mainland US that the Navys action was rash.  A couple of years later congress started legislating for civil authorities in Alaska. 
A tribal shaman had been accidentally killed on a whaling vessel by a whaling grenade.  The village demanded compensation of 200 blankets according to their own law.  They seized some whaling Company boats and hostages until payment.  Corwin and the whaling companies vessel Favorite and a company of Marines were sent to respond by order of The captain of the USS Adams.
The village was left to face the winter without foodstores and little shelter and only one boat.  Many must have starved.
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Randi on September 26, 2018, 08:08:17 am
Thank you for that information!

I am relieved to hear that not everyone agreed with the Navy's actions - not that that helped the victims.
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Pommy Stuart on September 27, 2018, 02:50:23 am
1882 Finished
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Randi on September 27, 2018, 06:30:16 am
Good work!
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: AvastMH on November 15, 2018, 02:32:27 pm
Quote from: Pommy Stuart on September 19, 2018, 12:08:05 am
A few words I cannot get and some may need corrections Re the finding of a dead body.
.
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919267/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/corwin/vol194/26-159A-corwin-vol194_117.jpg (https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919267/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/corwin/vol194/26-159A-corwin-vol194_117.jpg)

8-mid.
Natives came onboard, learned from them that three men had  seen the body of Master Putman (?) on the ice six ? after the ? people had left the place men were out searching between North and South heads, two miles from land ? ? on ice that had drifted into the bay.
 were closer to the body, saw Putman's revolver in ? ? ? broken stick but did not disturd anything. The ice afterwards drifted up through the ?.

Again TIA

Oh my - how close we are becoming to those ships. In 1881 Master Putnam did indeed have an accident missing his step and just failed to get into a boat from off the ice after looking around for signs of the Jeannette Crew. The ice was sharp and they were using native boats. The natives feared to drown in the icy waters and Mr Putnam floated out to sea. He was spotted three days later and was seen to wave to them, but he could not be got to. This story from the Corwin gives the sad detail of his end. The Rogers, shortly after the loss of Master Putnam, burnt down and the crew were left for the winter in hard circumstances, but aided by the local Inuit they survived. The Corwin was eager to assist the Inuit who were in great difficulty supporting the Rogers Crew through a hard winter.
I have just stumbled across the assistance given by the whaler North Star when the Rogers crew were found in May 1882:
The North Star is in Plover Bay in considerable sea ice...
Monday 8th (1882) (https://archive.org/details/northstarsteamba00nort/page/50)
Commences with A calm the ship under Steam laying of Plover Bay Saw 4 whales the natives came on Board with a 2 letters from the capt and 1st Leautenant of the US Steamer Rogers Stating that the steamer was Distroid By fire on the 30th Nov and that all hands were living with the natives and thay were very short of Provishions and thay wanted releaf as soon as posable we were a bout to Prosead up the Gulf But gave it up and started to thear Releaf with all Posible Dispach
Tuesday 9th May
Commences With a calm the Ship under Steam wirking up to St Lorance Bay at 4 A.M. we were Becet in the ice A Bout 6 miles from South Head thear was five men of the Rodgers crue came on Board with sum natives and one of them went Back to cary the nuse to the Rest of them Latter Part Bloing Strong from the S.E. with Snow the ship laying Pact in the ice with all sails firled the men that came On Board Reports that the crue are all scaterd A long the coast Capt Bary has started with Dogs and Sleds for colushion Bay and is expected Back Every Day
Wednesday May 10th
Bloing a Gail from the S.E. the Ship beset in the ice 6 more men came on Board We cleard Out the Between Decks and Built A Place for the Wrecked men to sleep Plenty of natives on Board trading
Thursday May 11th
Strong Breeze from the S.S.W. the Ship Packed in the ice the Executive Officer Doctor and Chief Enginer came on Bord and 3 more of the men of the Rodgers crue thay Report that capt Bary hase Gon over land to St Peatersburg the Executive Officer Returned to North Head to awate our arivel thear when thay will all Be Ready to Embark for St Michels
Friday May 12th
Bloing A Strong Breeze from the Sd the ship fast in the ice More of the men came on Bord with the Natives
Saturday May 13th
Commences with calm the ice opend Between the ship and the Shore we are closed in a Bout a 5 mile Pack and Drifting to the N.W. a Bout 1/2 miles Per Hour 4 more of the Rodgers crue came on Board
Sunday May 14th
Light Breeze from the N.E. First Part Employed cutting the ice Around the Ship at 2 A.M. the Pack ice Braught up Against the Floe and commenced to oppen Got up Steam and Backed out into cler watter Steamed up to the Floe 4 miles from North Head and all of the crue of the Rodgers came On Board Ends with a thick Fog the ship fast to the Floe all Ready to start when it clears of
Monday May 15th
At 8 A.M. of the first Part the Fog Lifted we Haled in the ice Hooks and Steamed to the Srd At 11 O clock Spoke to the U.S. Revenue Cutter Corwin Bound for cpe Serdze to Succor the Roges crue capt Haaley came on Board At 1 A.M. we transfeard the wrecked men to the corwin and Reseaved on Bord capt Colson of the Bk Sappho Wrecked in the ice of Plover Bay Parted with the Rogers crue and 15 men of the Sapphos crue...
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Michael on November 15, 2018, 03:09:38 pm
Wow!
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Michael on November 15, 2018, 06:08:42 pm
I'll be getting to Corwin 1882 soon. But here is the voyage of the Rodgers (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1oTu6whrzY2p6lqOsXeuQrSrBpXofeP81), which is the first one I did, and which was a test of the method for calculating hourly positions.
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: AvastMH on November 16, 2018, 04:23:23 am
Quote from: mapurves on November 15, 2018, 06:08:42 pm
I'll be getting to Corwin 1882 soon. But here is the voyage of the Rodgers (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1oTu6whrzY2p6lqOsXeuQrSrBpXofeP81), which is the first one I did, and which was a test of the method for calculating hourly positions.
Wow from me this time - that's an amazing journey  :o
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Randi on November 16, 2018, 05:49:44 am
Wow to both!
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Michael on November 16, 2018, 09:54:02 am
Corwin went looking for Rodgers who went looking for Jeannette. Here's where Jeannette went.

1879 (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1u0tJXo9DlHF8fapAvxLA_2zwDAKts-RO)1880 (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1gP5dA-x5YgtXdbOv1uQ72NGpBXdRRSbf)1881 (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1LcPgJ0XCEspOgDMFIkN35w3ZU6N9Jj8Y)
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: AvastMH on November 17, 2018, 06:30:38 pm
Quote from: mapurves on November 16, 2018, 09:54:02 am
Corwin went looking for Rodgers who went looking for Jeannette. Here's where Jeannette went.

1879 (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1u0tJXo9DlHF8fapAvxLA_2zwDAKts-RO)1880 (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1gP5dA-x5YgtXdbOv1uQ72NGpBXdRRSbf)1881 (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1LcPgJ0XCEspOgDMFIkN35w3ZU6N9Jj8Y)

That's such a poignant set of maps. The hope was to sail almost, if not all the way, to the North Pole and to reclaim from the Brits the 'farthest North' record (that's why the New York Herald bank rolled the whole thing). It taught us a lot about Arctic waters. Despite the sad end to the expedition it produced a true wealth of useful data.  :)
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Michael on November 19, 2018, 10:49:56 am
Here's a new one:

Off Corwin Mine, Alaska

August 15
8 to Meridian.
Quote
All hands employed mining coal & boating it aboard.
Meridian to 4 P.M.
All hands mining and boating off coal.

4 PM to 8 PM
At 5 PM finished coaling for the day.

August 16
4 AM to 8 AM
All hands employed coaling ship.

8 AM to Merid.
At 10.00 finished coaling ship, the swell to heavy for the boats to land, having taken on 16 tons bituminous Coal.


That must have been a most unpleasant job!
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Randi on November 19, 2018, 11:14:20 am
Yup, it allows them to spend more time in the far north ;)

Quote from: propriome on May 24, 2014, 06:02:23 am
Name  (+link)          Lat            Long            Notes
Corwin Mine (http://www.geonames.org/5859907/corwin-mine.html)68.86948-165.14040

Quote from: propriome on January 03, 2018, 07:06:03 am
Name  (+link)          Lat            Long            Notes
Thetis Mine (http://www.geonames.org/5876069/thetis-mine.html)68.88940-164.89903
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Michael on November 19, 2018, 11:49:16 am
From the Dictionary of Alaska Place Names

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Corwin Mine
locality at coal vein at base of Corwin Bluff on Chukchi Sea coast 27 mi E of Cape Lisburne Arctic Slope 68 52 05 N 165 08 15 W map 129 Named by Capt CL Hooper USRCS after his ship Corwin which took on 20 tons of coal here in 1881

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Thetis Creek
stream flows NW 19 mi to Chukchi Sea 7 mi W of Cape Sabine 43 mi NW of Mount Kelly Arctic Slope 68 53 30 N 164 54 00 W map 130 Var Eegik kah Lik Creek Igikalik Creek So named in 1901 by Schradcr 1904 p Ill and WJ Peters USGS because the Thetis Coal Mine is near its mouth The Thetis Coal Mine was named about 1889 for the USS Thetis The Eskimo name for this stream is Igikalik which is said by USC&GS to refer to the black cormorant
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Michael on November 21, 2018, 10:03:50 am
I thought you hired a pilot so this wouldn't happen!
October 24, 8:20 AM

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Vessel in charge of Pilot, ran aground on mud flat, Whitestone Narrows.
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Randi on November 21, 2018, 03:21:26 pm
Maybe you hire a pilot to have someone to blame it on ;)
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Michael on November 21, 2018, 04:50:21 pm
 :) :) :)
Works for me.
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Michael on November 22, 2018, 12:07:36 pm
The two voyages of 1882 are plotted here:

It was during the spring voyage that they brought the survivors from the Rodgers back to San Francisco.
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Randi on November 22, 2018, 01:08:46 pm
Good work Stuart and Michael ;)
Title: Re: Corwin (1882) -- Discussion: Questions, Comments and Coordination
Post by: Michael on November 25, 2018, 08:07:33 am
I was trying to find a reference to the Coaling Station at Point Spencer. Corwin found a good location for it in 1882, but their Lat/Long does not make a lot of sense, given that heading SW after leaving the site would put them over land. Anyway, during my search I found the Report of the Cruise of the Revenue Marine Steamer Corwin in the Arctic (https://books.google.ca/books?id=cDEbAAAAYAAJ) by M. A. Healy, United States Revenue-Cutter Service. There are many wonderful photos in this publication.