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Title: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 05 March 2020, 15:10:05
Randi, Michael, and I have been having PM discussions concerning the coronavirus, but thought it might be good to set up a topic for general discussion.  This is an issue that will likely eventually affect everyone on this project.

I have an immediate interest because I live about 20 miles from the nursing home near Seattle where the local outbreak began.  I live in Kent and it only took a few days before new cases showed up in cities just to the north and south of me.

Many people have panicked and are constantly disinfecting everything and are afraid to leave their homes.  Schools and businesses have closed for disinfecting when someone had flu-like symptoms or had been in contact with someone who had flu-like symptoms.

I think more people are taking an attitude more like myself.  Since people can be carriers for up to two weeks before showing any symptoms, may not even develop any symptoms even if they do have the virus, and it is so highly contagious, I expect that one way or another I will come in contact with the virus despite any efforts I might take to avoid it.  So I am not letting it change my daily routine.

Before we had vaccines for the flu, measles, mumps, and chicken pox, these diseases would pass through a community.  People knew there was a good chance they would get hit by whatever was going around, but went about their daily routines.  Schools and businesses did not close.  Events weren't cancelled.

Hopefully a vaccine will be developed for the coronavirus, but until then in my opinion we shouldn't be letting it have such an impact on our lives while we are healthy.  If we catch it, take a break for a couple of weeks to treat it, and then get back to enjoying our lives.

However, I do believe that people with weak immune systems or respiratory problems should be taking extreme caution to avoid catching the virus.  Those people are the ones who end up in the hospital when they catch it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 05 March 2020, 17:52:47
Like you I am living a normal life. I am planning to be a bit more proactive about hand washing, especially after using public transport or going to the supermarket etc but life is for living. I have checked a few items in my medical cabinet just in case, I reckon my most dangerous scheduled activity is an out-patient appointment at the local hospital next month (assuming they don't postpone it again!). I survived measles, german measles, scarlet fever (twice), and many bouts of tonsillitis, seasonal flu, bronchitis and 3 months off school with sub-clinical TB so I'll just trust my immune system to cope with another bug. Anyway, I'm past my biblical 3 score years and ten so I just hope that a nice nurse eases me out gently if my immune system can't manage it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 05 March 2020, 20:29:08
Stay safe!
Stay home and transcribe!

I'm stocking up on food a bit, but that is about all for now.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Helen J on 06 March 2020, 10:00:51
I'm living pretty normally, and I think most people around me are too.  I haven't seen anyone wearing a face mask for example.  I am washing my hands more often and for longer than before, which is probably no bad thing in any case.  I've stocked up a little, but don't have much space to store things, or a large freezer, so am quite limited in what's possible.  I could probably live off my reserves for a while if I had to ....
The more complicated thing is foreign travel; I'm booked to go to California in June, and ought to be buying a ticket soon to go to Australia in September.   It's very hard to know how things will be by then, in those places.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hanibal94 on 06 March 2020, 10:25:38
I'm also hand-washing frequently, and stocking up on food - but that's more in case I get sick or have to do home office for a while.
Otherwise, I agree with Gordon. Now that we know the virus is has a lower fatality rate than the flu, there's no reason to panic.
Personally, I haven't really seen anyone change their daily routine either.

As for foreign travel - I'll still be going to visit grandparents in the summer, since they have reached the age where you can't know if they'll be around next year.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: leelaht on 06 March 2020, 12:34:29
I figure this whole episode is 'practice' for when a much more serious disease visits us.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 06 March 2020, 12:45:38
The University of Washington just announced that no classes will be held on campus for the rest of the quarter.  Where possible classes will be held online.  If a class can't be held online, it will be terminated and students will be given a grade based on work completed so far.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 06 March 2020, 13:10:25
Wow!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 06 March 2020, 13:26:18
Wow!
That's exactly what I was thinking.
When does the quarter end?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 06 March 2020, 13:40:39
Wow!
That's exactly what I was thinking.
When does the quarter end?

They said the quarter ends the end of March.  They plan to deep-clean the campus.

For a sense of how big the impact is, the University has about 54,000 students.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Thursday Next on 06 March 2020, 15:40:59
I see the Smithsonian has just made 3 million digital images accessible and free to use https://www.si.edu/openaccess  Something to pass the hours while you're self-isolating, once you've exhausted the delights of Netflix, Amazon, i-Player and access on your Kindle to every book ever written (joke stolen from "Newsjack" BBC Radio 4 Extra).
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 06 March 2020, 16:22:08
I think you mean

I see the Smithsonian has just made 3 million digital images accessible and free to use https://www.si.edu/openaccess  Something to pass the hours while you're self-isolating, once you've exhausted the delights of
Old Weather Log Books!!!!
Quote
Netflix, Amazon, i-Player and access on your Kindle to every book ever written (joke stolen from "Newsjack" BBC Radio 4 Extra).

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 06 March 2020, 16:25:10
Well, Glasgow Universities are 'carrying on' - I know, I'm doing a continuing education course. Although we go to classes, coursework submission is on-line so there would be no escape there.  Mind you, as I write we have only one confirmed case in our health board area so the local risk is very, very small. The church I go to has been thinking about contingency plans if local cases go up, like many churches our congregation has a high proportion of pensioners and we are also open for visitors during the week, complete with coffee shop. No one is getting too worried but it seems a good idea to think through some options while there is plenty of time to think about the implications of any changes.





Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 06 March 2020, 18:49:34
I just returned from the grocery store.  They had signs up all over the store saying there was a limit of five cleaning, cold, and flu products.  However, the shelves were completely empty of any such products.

I'm guessing this was just initial panic buying and the stores will get restocked before long.  Fortunately I have all the cleaning, cold, and flu products I need already.

If I get quarantined, it will give me motivation to use food from the freezer that I tend to forget is there.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 06 March 2020, 19:52:11
The Modern Thoroughly Up To Date Guide Hand Washing (https://thetyee.ca/Culture/2020/03/06/Modern-Thoroughly-Up-To-Date-Guide-Hand-Washing/)

The embedded video is a joy to watch.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 06 March 2020, 20:28:50
The embedded video is indeed a joy to watch ;D
But the washing instructions are hysterical!

I'm going to inflict this on everyone I can think of.

(https://media.tenor.com/images/59807ec0a70b322a8f53f519d0fe885e/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: jil on 07 March 2020, 03:52:14
The Modern Thoroughly Up To Date Guide Hand Washing (https://thetyee.ca/Culture/2020/03/06/Modern-Thoroughly-Up-To-Date-Guide-Hand-Washing/)

The embedded video is a joy to watch.
That's definitely a good antidote to all the doom & gloom.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 07 March 2020, 10:39:57
Quote from: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Gov. Tom Wolf confirmed Pennsylvania?s first two presumptive positive cases of COVID-19 on Friday.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 07 March 2020, 11:46:51
The Modern Thoroughly Up To Date Guide Hand Washing (https://thetyee.ca/Culture/2020/03/06/Modern-Thoroughly-Up-To-Date-Guide-Hand-Washing/)

The embedded video is a joy to watch.

Some further help...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Anthem_of_Uruguay
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 07 March 2020, 14:50:13
Given my musical talents, the singing alone might kill the germs ::)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Helen J on 08 March 2020, 07:09:41
Given my musical talents, the singing alone might kill the germs ::)

Now there's a thought!  Perhaps we could start a corona killing choir?

At church this morning we exchanged the peace without any handshakes; and received only the bread at communion, not the wine.  Apart from that, everything normal (well, we were without an organist, but I don't think that was anything to do with the virus). 

Went to the pharmacy on the way back to collect a prescription; they had a notice on the door saying they had no hand sanitiser, and were asking people to pay by card if possible, not cash.  The assistant was cleaning her hands between each customer (so I hope they have good supplies of sanitiser for their own use ....).
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 08 March 2020, 12:30:02
Pennsylvania is now up to four presumptive cases of COVID-19
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hanibal94 on 08 March 2020, 15:33:53
Leipzig has had its first case. The annual book fair, one of the largest events in the city, has been canceled.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 09 March 2020, 02:01:50
Oh, dear, we are just postponing rugby fixtures with Italy although our cases are gradually creeping up. I'm expecting more restrictions during the week.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 09 March 2020, 08:43:34
Just as a precaution I thought I'd better find my thermometer. By a miracle it was where it should have been BUT its battery was flat. So, folks, unlike the old mercury version these new digi ones need maintenance. Especially if you live alone do check the battery because if my experience of the NHS is typical you will be asked for your temperature if you phone in feeling unwell.

Don't worry folks I am well and planning to go to the local hardware shop to buy a replacement NB many pharmacies sell the thermometers but not the replacement batteries.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Thursday Next on 10 March 2020, 15:30:12
Thanks for the reminder - I must check mine and replace if necessary  :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Helen J on 11 March 2020, 04:16:06
Thermometer added to my shopping list for today; my local pharmacy was out of them.  I'm fine, just taking precautions for now or the future.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 11 March 2020, 07:57:07
Great reminder to check battery driven thermometers.  :D  Just buying one that's readable - my old one is so titchy that reading it, with a burning brow and pounding head, is beyond a joke.  :o
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Helen J on 11 March 2020, 09:18:26
Managed to find a thermometer at the second shop I tried - or at least one at a price I was willing to pay.  The first one, which probably did have a nice large display, cost ?40.  I got one for ?9.99, and will just need to wear my glasses to read it.
Also failed (again) to find a small bottle of alcohol hand sanitiser, but did come home triumphantly with a small travel bottle which I can fill from the large bottle of said sanitiser I managed to find just before it became unobtainable.
This is all taking a lot of time and energy!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 11 March 2020, 10:56:08
I just bought one a couple of days ago.
I am trying to remember to take my temperature occasionally to establish a baseline.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 11 March 2020, 11:04:17
Personally I think there is a difference between 'stockpiling' (bad) and sensible precautions (good). My idea is that I should survive for 2 weeks only requiring prescription medicines (fortunately there is a pharmacy who will collect and deliver prescriptions). OK, I might not be eating what I would prefer (I like fresh fruit, veg & milk) but I would survive on a reasonable diet. After that I will require shopping so if I order during week 2 whatever system is in place will have a few days to sort me out. This seeems sensible since I live alone  with no nearby family and many friends and neighbours are of a similar age to me.

I have now started more regular bird feeding and they are getting greedier by the day! So, this morning I bought what should last the feathered greedy guts for at least 3 weeks. The goldfinches approve of the seed but not the feeder. THere are only 2 perches and the other morning there were 5 of them trying to get breakfast. One gave up and joined the melee on the other feeder which has 4 perches but mainly sunflower seeds - the chunkier sparrow didn't stand a chance. The washing up seems to take longer than it used to - I wonder why
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hanibal94 on 11 March 2020, 11:20:10
Italy has established a national quarantine - yikes!
I sure hope Matteo and Silvia are OK.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 11 March 2020, 11:25:25
Here in the US if you live near a city there is a good chance that grocery delivery is available.  It costs a bit more, but will be worth it if I get quarantined for an extended period.  I should be fine though with what I already have for at least a few weeks though.  I might have to get a bit creative, but should be okay.

I got my first digital thermometer about 20 years ago.  The government wanted people to get rid of their mercury thermometers, so they had a program where you could exchange a mercury thermometer for a free digital thermometer.  It had a small display and no light to help read it.  I never had to replace its battery, but it quit working about a year ago.  I replaced it with a somewhat expensive one with a big display and it lit up so that it was very easy to read.  Its battery died after a few months.  I then read reviews of it online and found that many users were experiencing the short battery life too.  The batteries were an odd size and difficult to replace.  So I chose to instead go back to an inexpensive one with a small display and no light.  It only cost $10 and has been working great for about nine months.  It is a bit difficult to read, but should last me many years.  It's the official Red Cross thermometer.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 11 March 2020, 12:22:13
I just live with a Registered Nurse.  It makes life easier. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 11 March 2020, 12:35:20
In the UK most areas are served by supermarket delivery services. The problem in a really bad epidemic is 'How many drivers/pickers are still at work as the demand soars?' The second will be distributing stock from central warehouses to the supermarkets' local distribution centres - more drivers, warehouse people etc. I think, while there will still be a service, the delays will be significant. I'm judging this by the reported problems just before major holiday periods. So, a home buffer has been accumulated.

Otherwise paracetamol for general aches & pains, honey for sore throats, the cough seems resistant to medication, I have wondered if they still make Friar's Balsam - the sovereign remedy for bronchitis is my childhood. I actually quite liked the smell, you put a small amount into hot water and the fumes were supposed to 'clear the chest'. Since breathlessness feels worse under stress the placebo response might be worth the outlay of a pound or two.

Michael - that's cheating, not only a second adult but a qualified one.  :o

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 11 March 2020, 12:38:24
Michael - that's cheating, not only a second adult but a qualified one.  :o

Ya do whatya gotta do!   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Helen J on 11 March 2020, 12:40:13
Michael - that's cheating, not only a second adult but a qualified one.  :o

Ya do whatya gotta do!   ;D ;D ;D

So this was part of a cunning long term plan for such days as these?   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 11 March 2020, 12:51:34
Indeed!  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 11 March 2020, 12:59:16
Quote
In the UK most areas are served by supermarket delivery services. The problem in a really bad epidemic is 'How many drivers/pickers are still at work as the demand soars?' The second will be distributing stock from central warehouses to the supermarkets' local distribution centres - more drivers, warehouse people etc. I think, while there will still be a service, the delays will be significant. I'm judging this by the reported problems just before major holiday periods. So, a home buffer has been accumulated.

Here in the Seattle area, many people have already lost their jobs because of businesses reducing their staff or permanently closing.  Restaurants are particularly hard hit.  I'm guessing that many of these people would be interested in the newly created delivery jobs.  Local stores have put out announcements that they are working overtime and hiring to help meet the increased demand and to continuously sanitize their stores.  Target said that they will be sanitizing their checkout lanes and counters every 30 minutes.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 11 March 2020, 15:37:35
I suppose that every cloud has a silver lining. Any job (within reason) is better than no job but these jobs will probably not lead to permanent employment with the possibility of future advancement. At best they may lead to an employers reference which may help to obtain a permanent job in the the future. Unfortunately I fear that the employers will decide that the epidemic will be over in a few weeks and so not bother to recruit at all.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: propriome on 12 March 2020, 03:57:51
Italy has established a national quarantine - yikes!
I sure hope Matteo and Silvia are OK.

Thanks for your concern Hanibal!

My area is quite clear (at the moment "just" 21 cases) but it still feels like living on the moon... the metropolitan area around Florence, which is usually very crowded, now is kinda like a desert.
Since i can work from home, and schools are closed, me and my family are all at home "relatively" safe, and for now i can continue doing my job almost as if nothing has happened. Can't go to see grandmas and grandpas (unless they need medical assistance - and fortunately it's not the case), but we reach them with video-calls.

I've got to the supermarket yesterday and security outside was letting in one person at time (no more of a certain number of people - can't remember how many, i think 50 - can gather together in closed public places, while respecting distance one from the other). It was quite weird waiting in line to enter ::)
Hope it will work... situation in northern Italy is quite dramatic in certain areas as hospital's intensive care capacity there is reaching its limits.

Hope Silvia is well too!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 12 March 2020, 05:21:45
Glad you are all safe and well. Keep smiling and see if you can get some fresh air and daylight from time to time, maybe garden or balcony.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: arboggs on 12 March 2020, 09:03:16
I'm in Virginia in the U.S. My county and the adjacent county just cancelled school for the time being and yesterday the one big state university closed/switched to "online only classes." I don't have any health insurance at all so I decided not to go to my weekly ballet class last night even though the local recreation center has not closed (yet). Mostly a lot of not going out too much and excessive hand washing here. Things like remembering to wash my hands immediately after using the touchscreen checkout at the library.
~April
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 12 March 2020, 09:25:11
This is why  the virus will spread.

Mary works at the B.C. Cancer Agency. They have large signs at the entrance about Coronavirus, and about not coming in if you have fevers, coughs, travel etc. A patient came in for his six month checkup, accompanied with members of his family. When the nurse was talking to the patient, she learned that the family members had just come back from a Panama Canal cruise and had traveled through four different airports! Some of the family members were coughing and not feeling well.

Another patient came in for his appointment with members of his family. When they arrived at the entrance they assured the receptionist that they had not travelled not met anyone who had and, although they were coughing, they had no fevers. When they were in the examining room it turned out, while talking to the nurse, that at least one of the family members had just come from Hawaii, and had travelled through a couple of airports and had bronchitis. The nurse told that person to leave the Cancer Agency immediately and wait in their car for the rest of the family. The nurse had to swab it patient's nose for testing, and had to treat the room as if it had been contaminated. That meant the room had to be left for 90 minutes, everything disposable in the room had to be thrown out and the room had to be cleaned from ceiling to floor.

So, if this is how people who have family members with cancer act what hope do we have? All the people involved had English as their first language, had been living with cancer patients for some time and knew about the risks for people with compromised immune systems etc. News about the corona virus is on the radio and TV 24 hours a day telling people about the precautions they need to take. None of that seemed to make any difference.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 12 March 2020, 09:31:12
Living with a Registered Nurse.

Some of you thought that would be a good thing. You would know, if you knew nurses, that they ignore what doctors tell them. Years ago, at an annual medical checkup, I got a lifetime prescription from my family doctor.

(https://i.imgur.com/gGDCpAo.jpg)

So, living with a Registered Nurse, and having a signed prescription from a medical doctor, do:


The answer to each of these questions is the same: NO!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: propriome on 12 March 2020, 09:56:05
 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Know a few nurses and yes, they usually ignores what doctors tell them even on this side of the pond! Must be some kind of sorority ???

This is why  the virus will spread.

There have been so many similar situations here!

Lately a man, which was found positive and should have been at home in self-quarantine, was found buying food at the supremarket :o
He tried to justify himself saying no one else could have bought food for him... he's been denounced of course, but in the meantime he could have infected someone (personnel or other people) at the supermarket, which also had to be closed.

Lack of proper precautions (and sometimes just common sense :( ) is the main way through the virus is spreading.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 12 March 2020, 10:03:28
Ah, but all nurses know that what the Doctor says must be thought abou before doing anytihing because many of them can pass exams but have no common sense. Example, to me, 'You can go home now', 'Good', 'Right, no weight on that leg, no hopping, must not be carried, don't bend leg', 'Bye, see you in the New Year'. (It was Christmas Eve, I was 14). Nurse comes up with wheelchair, complete with fracture board, and pushes me to door. 'Have a good Christmas, be careful'. No crutches, no instruction on walking, no commode, not even a stick - Doctor didn't write anything up. I survived with knee fairly intact although joint now replaced.

So your wife surveyed you and your activities and limited your alcohol then decided that since she'd been on her feet much of the day her need was greater than yours and you needed the exercise anyway.

The cancer patients are a worry though. No doubt they'd be threatening all sorts if their loved one picked something up from equally thoughtless families.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 12 March 2020, 10:31:17
So your wife surveyed you and your activities and limited your alcohol then decided that since she'd been on her feet much of the day her need was greater than yours and you needed the exercise anyway.
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 12 March 2020, 11:32:47
I work with folks arriving from every quarter of the globe. I got stuck in hospital for half of last week - now happily getting better slowly at home.

But if, for one second, I'd let my guard down I'd have had a worse outcome. And that makes me cross because a lot of folks may never have had to face dealing with things like keeping themselves away from everyone else. Making it possible for people to get food is not a great ask of any community - leave a note on your door - phone a central number and you should be able to get basic sustenance.  I'm doing fine with the help of my dear, dear neighbours. I wish that everyone still had that - a community to help them. Perhaps these are the lessons that we need to be flagging up.
The other thing that's driving me nuts - big sports fixtures. They may not have long to run.

Take care everyone  :D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 12 March 2020, 17:24:24
Look after yourself Joan. Hope your health probs get sorted soon. Hospital is not for the frail and confused I'm afraid but fortunately you are neither. So keep smiling and find some nice penguins to look at.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 12 March 2020, 17:59:37
I stopped at the grocery store on the way home, and I noticed that some shelves were rather bare.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: jil on 13 March 2020, 11:27:03
Hope you're feeling better soon Joan.

I'm feeling quite pleased as I managed to buy some toilet roll today (and I resisted buying mutiple packs!). In that shop it looked like the panic buying had shifted to tissues as those shelves were practically empty and also no lentils.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: leelaht on 13 March 2020, 11:29:19
We'll officially be telecommuting Monday until whenever.  Since telecommuting was prohibited until now, it's a steep learning curve.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 13 March 2020, 11:44:55
I take it telecommuting is not equivalent to teleporting. If I am wrong please post details as I am sure it would be ecofriendly.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hanibal94 on 13 March 2020, 11:57:22
My employer has ordered everyone to do home office unless absolutely necessary, until next week Friday at least.
Went out to buy a few perishables today, noticed all the toilet paper was gone. Same for noodles and a few other things, but it was just a small grocery store, not the huge one I usually go to.

Also, things have really taken off in Germany:
- 14 of 16 states have closed all schools and kindergartens for a month
- The weekend's football matches were initially gonna take place with no audience, but now they've been canceled entirely and postponed for at least three weeks. As far as I know, neither of these things has EVER happened in football-loving Germany before!
- Lufthansa might ask the German government for a bailout, as various travel bans have/are hitting them real hard
- A few states have banned visits to nursing homes except in case of emergency
- Lots of local events have been canceled (I was gonna go to two dev meetups next week, but one has been postponed and the other has asked no more than 15 people to attend)

All in all, it's hard not to feel worried/stressed about this.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 13 March 2020, 12:15:38
I'm feeling quite pleased as I managed to buy some toilet roll today (and I resisted buying mutiple packs!). In that shop it looked like the panic buying had shifted to tissues as those shelves were practically empty and also no lentils.
Yes, the toilet paper shelves were bare yesterday. Fortunately, I am well stocked ;D
(and you can use toilet paper as tissues ;))
Good point on the lentils! I am well stocked with beans and whole grains, but I will pick up lentils and split peas tomorrow.



According to today's Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (https://pge.post-gazette.com/.fullpdfs/2020/03/20200313.pdf):
"five additional cases of COVID-19 in Pennsylvania were announced Thursday, bringing the total number in the state to 21."
"There have not been any confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Allegheny County"
"State lab could run out of COVID-19 tests soon"
"Schools close amid exposure fears"
"All Roman Catholic bishops in Pennsylvania have waived the obligation for Catholics to attend Mass in the near future due to the coronavirus, but Masses will continue to be offered for those who do choose to attend, at least in southwestern Pennsylvania."
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 13 March 2020, 12:45:57
The situation with the stores is very spotty here.

Many places have toilet paper shortages, but here in Kent, the stores seem to have plenty.

I read that the Trader Joe's in West Seattle had to close because they had sold out of almost everything in the store.  They expect to restock and open again in a few days.  I live about 15 miles from there and the stores have plenty of everything except hand sanitizer and cold remedies.

I just read an article about how the 1918 flu epidemic affected Seattle.  They did pretty much the same as today, closing schools, churches, theaters, and forbidding public gatherings.  The article said that people had nothing they could do, so people were out walking the streets out of boredom.  That lasted about five weeks and then everything was back to normal.  Fortunately today we have the Internet, video calls, telecommuting, and other forms of entertainment so that boredom isn't such an issue.  It looks like this is likely to last more than five weeks though.  I'm seeing getting outdoors walking and visiting parks being recommended because that doesn't involve close contact.

I enjoy going on Volkssport walks, so I'm glad to see that's still considered a relatively safe activity.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 13 March 2020, 12:51:16
After walking with Mary to the Cancer Agency, I carried on to the local supermarket. Normally there are just a few people there but this morning the lines were very long, and they were calling in cashiers. When I finally got to the front of the express line, the cashier said the surge really hit yesterday afternoon. The B.C. Provincial Medical Officer advised no foreign travel, including the U.S., unless essential. Anyone travelling to the U.S. must self isolate for 14 days upon their return. The cashier thought that was the trigger for many people.

I noticed lots of shelves looked fairly empty. Events with more than 250 people have been cancelled. As of two hours ago, schools are still open, but I'm not sure for how much longer.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 13 March 2020, 19:33:09
What a difference a few days makes.  I just returned from the local supermarket.  It was like the day before Thanksgiving or Christmas.   Checkout lines were the longest I've ever seen.  However, the only shortages appeared to be water and sanitizers.  The shelves were emptying for some other items, but they were rapidly restocking.

I'm guessing it will return to normal in a week or so.  There seems to be plenty of food available.  This is just short term panic buying, although the sanitizer shortage may last a bit longer.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 13 March 2020, 19:44:47
I just had an email from the library saying that after tomorrow they will be closed till the end of the month :'(
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 13 March 2020, 22:43:02
The King County libraries also announced they will be closing immediately too.  They said the other libraries around here had already decided to close.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 14 March 2020, 08:48:13
We ere going to go to a play at our local theatre with our friends from Alberta. It and the rest of the plays for a month were cancelled yesterday. It's a shame, because the play was written and performed by a troupe from the Yukon.  :'(
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 14 March 2020, 10:13:34
According to today's Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (https://pge.post-gazette.com/.fullpdfs/2020/03/20200313.pdf)
To date, there are 41 total cases of the virus in the state (but only 1 in Western Pennsylvania).
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Gov. Tom Wolf on Friday announced that all K-12 schools in Pennsylvania would be closed for 10 business days beginning Monday in an effort to slow the spread of COVID-19.

I will go to the grocery store today, but that is about it for the week.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 14 March 2020, 10:45:24
Quote from: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Oregon distillery making own hand sanitizer
A Portland, Ore., distillery is now making hand sanitizer and giving it out to customers. Shine Distillery and Grill already has the equipment and the alcohol for it. When they distill the alcohol, the first part that comes out isn't meant to drink, so they make a cleaner out of it. "We did our research and checked with the controlling authorities and come to find, as long as we're not making a medical claim or selling it, we're allowed to give it away," owner Jon Poteet said.

Cheers! ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: arboggs on 14 March 2020, 11:27:12
Hey, so if you haven't ever looked before, everyone should see what kind of online services their local libraries offer. Do they have things like streaming movies or ebooks or audiobooks? Online classes? Programs like Libby, Hoopla, or Kanopy? If they do you should sign up. A great way to continue patronizing your local library even if they have to shut down for the time being. And really good selections, too!

~April
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 14 March 2020, 16:21:05
Cases in my local health board went up by about 50% today, worrying. The Uni where I went to evening class last Thursday has 3 students testing positive. No details on website as to departments so no idea if the building I was in was affected. A bit worrying as well. So, no face to face lecture next week. No doubt rather more on the Moodle than the usual summary.

I do wish every news bulletin didn't emphasise that all the newly deceased were elderly with underlying health conditions. Very reassuring for the youngsters but not if you feel you might be in the same group as the deceiased!! I'm now wondering weather I need to semi-isolate myself or even go into full lock-down. YUK!!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 14 March 2020, 16:59:28
This was a very interesting radio interview:

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/mar-14-coronavirus-epidemiology-greenland-glaciers-melt-and-more-1.5495007/covid-19-why-reacting-early-and-aggressively-is-the-key-to-avoiding-crisis-1.5495014
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 14 March 2020, 17:14:22
Went to the grocery store a little earlier...

I wasn't surprised to find that they didn't have toilet paper.

However, I was fascinated to discover that bins for red, yellow, and white onions and for organic onions were totally empty.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 14 March 2020, 17:30:13
 ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 14 March 2020, 20:38:53
Went to the grocery store a little earlier...

I wasn't surprised to find that they didn't have toilet paper.

However, I was fascinated to discover that bins for red, yellow, and white onions and for organic onions were totally empty.

That is odd.  When I went to the store yesterday it was packed with people stocking up on all sorts of things, but the produce section, which is normally rather crowded, was nearly empty this time.  I had gone mainly to get produce and there was plenty of everything available.   Another section noticeably void of customers was beer and wine.

Hopefully buying patterns will return to normal after this initial panic.

Safeway's parent company just announced they will be hiring 2,000 new employees in Washington, primarily to help with the increased demand they are anticipating for home delivery and order ahead pick-up service.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: jil on 15 March 2020, 02:58:22
However, I was fascinated to discover that bins for red, yellow, and white onions and for organic onions were totally empty.
There was a rumour going around social media earlier that garlic could cure it. So perhaps someone's started one about onions!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 15 March 2020, 08:39:05
However, I was fascinated to discover that bins for red, yellow, and white onions and for organic onions were totally empty.
There was a rumour going around social media earlier that garlic could cure it. So perhaps someone's started one about onions!

Is this a chest infection thing - or are we going to turn into vampires? I think we should be told.  ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 15 March 2020, 09:17:55
When the Bear was in Ladysmith on November 11, 1918, the crew took part in a parade to mark the end of WW I. I was curious to see if there was a photo or a mention of it in the local paper at that time.

It was, of course, at the height of the Spanish Flu epidemic. I did not see any pictures of the parade, but I did see ads for things like Rosemary, I think it was, to prevent the flu. Also an ad for new shoes with good leather tops and sturdy soles to protect you from catching the flu through the ground.

One of our friends from the Yukon is a herbalist, and her cream is supposed to  protect you from disease, too. I forget the name of the cream. She's a nice lady, but ...  ::)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Helen J on 15 March 2020, 11:28:06
This is an interesting article showing the effects of various degrees of social distancing - it's good to see that even if only 75% of people comply it makes a considerable difference.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/?fbclid=IwAR1e16_gfyUwiE_ixBDoc5uE_JBvHEI5iH_D8tnwUHlbBidIka0ob_cnpXQ
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Tegwen on 15 March 2020, 11:46:17
Thermometer added to my shopping list for today; my local pharmacy was out of them.  I'm fine, just taking precautions for now or the future.

I bought the last one at my usual pharmacy. Felt really guilty in case I was depriving someone more needy of it, but.....

Both our temperatures are normal!!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Tegwen on 15 March 2020, 12:00:51
Just heard that a concert I had booked for Monday 23rd has been cancelled. Really frustrating. I have been waiting to see Peter Case again for almost 10 years. Hopefully he will rebook when the virus problems have reduced.

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Thursday Next on 15 March 2020, 15:07:18
This is an interesting article showing the effects of various degrees of social distancing - it's good to see that even if only 75% of people comply it makes a considerable difference.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/?fbclid=IwAR1e16_gfyUwiE_ixBDoc5uE_JBvHEI5iH_D8tnwUHlbBidIka0ob_cnpXQ

Yes, that is interesting - thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 15 March 2020, 22:08:21
Washington state is closing all bars, restaurants, and places of entertainment or recreation.  Gatherings of more than 50 will not be allowed.  However, restaurants will still be able to serve take-out or provide home delivery.  They just will not be able to provide any seating.

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 16 March 2020, 04:47:30
I was relieved to see that the Football clubs took action earlier than the Govt seemed interested in imposing.

Local schools are closing this Friday for at least 4 weeks in Oxon.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: propriome on 16 March 2020, 04:55:48
Stay safe everyone!

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Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 16 March 2020, 07:39:22
 :) :) :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 16 March 2020, 08:33:52
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/23693651/content/dc-metro/rg-026/585454/0002/Unalga-b2571/Unalga-b2571_0184.JPG
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/23693651/content/dc-metro/rg-026/585454/0002/Unalga-b2571/Unalga-b2571_0185.JPG

https://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3342.msg101575#msg101575
and
https://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3342.msg106287#msg106287

;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 16 March 2020, 10:53:12
Allegheny County, where Pittsburgh is located, now has four confirmed cases of COVID-19.
Given the limited testing... :-X
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 16 March 2020, 12:16:32
My local health board has 44 cases as at 2pm. So, more restrictions on social contact. Will need to go shopping tomorrow for bread & ?milk plus anything else that looks useful. These restrictions are supposed to last for 3 months. On the radio this morning some areas have on-line delivery booked up for the next 3 weeks!! This morning they were saying that you can go out for a walk providing you stay at least 2m away from people. I hope this is still current because I know from hip rehab that being stuck in the garden for 3 months will be a challenge - 6 week rehab had me going stir crazy. So I would really value the ability to take the car down to some of the local country walks and get a change of view. Looks as if holiday plans are now completely scuppered until the autumn and my railcard will not be used very much this summer!

I think this would be a good time to plug the Zooniverse - after all if you can't do your usual activities you need to have something to stave off boredom.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Thursday Next on 16 March 2020, 15:37:37
Not sure if your post was before the latest government advice.  We are now being told to avoid all unnecessary social contact, and over-70's are being told to self-isolate from the weekend; this also includes people with certain health conditions.  I am not sure if this includes me - I am not quite 70 but am on immuno-suppressant drugs and they don't seem to have specified what health conditions they are talking about!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 16 March 2020, 16:13:41
Plenty of work available here ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 16 March 2020, 16:14:54
If I were on immuno-suppressant drugs I'd be steering clear of others.  :-\

Chris Lintott should  be jumping at the chance to get folks working in the Zooniverse!  :D :D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 16 March 2020, 18:01:59
It was just after. If it doesn't come into force to the weekend I'll do another shop Fri/Sat and stock up on milk etc.

I'm over 70 and I've got high bp although it's pretty well controlled but I've also got a low-level auto immune problem so they probably think I'm 'vulnerable'. It's all very well talking about on-line or neighbours but finding delivery slots is difficult and all the neighbours I know are my sort of age, so I'll start with a decent stock & hope the delivery problem settles down. After all, I'm not infected (I'm fairly sure) so it's my risk rather than affecting other people. I'm trying this firm with vacuum packed microwave ready meals, first delivery should arrive tomorrow. If they are any good I'll order some more - 6 month shelf life. Probably not my first choice but definitely better than starving while I wait for the supermarket to deliver some nice fresh stuff.

So far in my life I either sail through medical problems to the mild surprise of the medics or throw most of the complications in the book. So far I've come through it even if my medics have had a stressful experience  from time to time - why change the habits of a lifetime, I say.

Well, hope everyone stays well. Keep smiling because I am firmly convinced that bugs find smiley people less desirable  (even if I'm wrong then smiles don't do any harm and cheer up everyone else).
 :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 16 March 2020, 18:48:12
Keep smiling because I am firmly convinced that bugs find smiley people less desirable  (even if I'm wrong then smiles don't do any harm and cheer up everyone else).
 :) :) :) :) :)

I read an article just recently that said stress was bad for the immune system, so you are probably correct ;D

It also said to get plenty of sleep ::)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 16 March 2020, 19:16:47
The Puyallup, Washington Police Department, a little south of here, issued this statement this afternoon:

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Due to local cases of #COVID-19, PPD is asking all criminal activities and nefarious behavior to cease. We appreciate your cooperation in halting crime & thank the criminals in advance. We will let you know when you can resume your normal behavior.  Until then #washyourhands
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob on 16 March 2020, 19:25:05
I love it!

The Puyallup, Washington Police Department, a little south of here, issued this statement this afternoon:

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Due to local cases of #COVID-19, PPD is asking all criminal activities and nefarious behavior to cease. We appreciate your cooperation in halting crime & thank the criminals in advance. We will let you know when you can resume your normal behavior.  Until then #washyourhands
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 16 March 2020, 19:37:04
I'm glad to see that they have managed to keep a sense of humor!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Maikel on 17 March 2020, 09:39:00
I hope you're not easily spooked. :)
The emphasis is on the above-70 group, but that's mainly because of the high mortality rate.
Please, don't make the mistake of thinking you'll be OK if you're younger.

Yesterday's figures released by the hospital in the Dutch city of Breda:
80 COVID-19 cases in ICU.
Nearly 50% of these ICU cases are under the age of 50, the youngest being 16 years old.

You might not die, but you can get seriously ill.
Luckily I'm safe, I fall outside both categories. ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Thursday Next on 17 March 2020, 14:40:14
There's also been a reported death of a 21 year old football coach in Spain - presumably his general fitness was pretty good prior to contracting the virus.

However, I have seen a lot of news reports about young people who are refusing to take precautions because they are confident that if they get Covid-19 they will only have mild symptoms - and have no regard for other people they may come into contact with.  I truly hope that attitude is not too widespread.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 17 March 2020, 15:12:07
Just about everything is closing here, uni not giving lectures although the last I heard the library was open. Today I had a phone call to say that my church is closed and a couple of groups I belong to have finished until the autumn (they usually break for July & August anyway). The on-line delivery services from the supermarkets, which the government suggests we oldies use, is booked up for the next 3 weeks. When I did an early morning shop this morning, no potatoes, v little bread, managed to get 2 cartons UHT milk, no cauliflower, sprouts or cabbage. Looked as if they had some toilet rolls though but no hand sanitiser. All in all things are falling apart so surviving the next 12 weeks is going to be interesting as well as challenging.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 17 March 2020, 17:44:58
All the Anglican churches on Vancouver Island are closed indefinitely. The spokesman for the Diocese said they're giving up church for Lent!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 17 March 2020, 17:49:31
It's important to keep a sense of humor ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: leelaht on 17 March 2020, 18:49:29
My 5-yr-old laptop has been slightly laggy for awhile, but 2 weeks ago it got really bad, but then it got better.  Figured it might be time to replace.  Went to the computer store and it packed full of families.  About half the laptop display was 'out of stock.'  Salesman said in 1 week they moved 1500 computers!  The 3 I wanted to look at were gone.  I left empty handed.  The roads were crowded too, and this is Ohio, on the forefront of social distancing and shutting things down (e.g. no primary voting today).  On the other hand, went grocery shopping last weekend and my car was by itself in the parking lot, there were 3 shoppers in the store and one cashier.  It's a smallish store, about 6 aisles, but still.... not at all like the media were reporting.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 17 March 2020, 20:14:27
I'm surprised at the laptop sales.  I figured that people who would expect to be using computers if confined would already have computers.

So far I see little change in the traffic around here.  Many of the people this end of the county are machinists, mechanics, and warehouse workers who cannot work from home.  There is a huge concentration of warehouses here that are busier than ever.  Also there have not been many cases of the virus down this end of the county yet.

With the schools closed, the kids are probably out and about more than usual.

Bars are closed (on St. Patrick's Day :o ), but most restaurants are still open with no seating allowed.    Food has to be taken off-site.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: propriome on 18 March 2020, 04:21:32
I've to get food at the supermarket today... will put my suit on and patiently wait in line  ::)

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Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 18 March 2020, 06:49:14
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



And for those who were not able to enjoy a St Patrick's Day Parade...

https://www.youtube.com/embed/YbOP1Tg7INk

Well done to the kids that set this up  :D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 18 March 2020, 08:20:40
I've to get food at the supermarket today... will put my suit on and patiently wait in line  ::)

(https://www.marem.it/immagini/approfondimenti/img_qUieIMG-20170906-WA0000.jpg)

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 18 March 2020, 09:05:37
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I loved the parade, too!  :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 18 March 2020, 09:30:44
Canada and the United States have reached an unprecedented deal to close the shared border to non-essential travel, as both countries try to restrict the spread of the novel coronavirus, according to U.S. President Donald Trump.

There are 186 confirmed cases in B.C.
7 people have died.
A public health emergency has been declared in B.C.
B.C. elementary and secondary schools have been ordered to stay closed indefinitely.

All bars, nightclubs and pubs in the province have been ordered to close indefinitely, and other businesses have been told to implement social-distancing measures to keep people one or two metres apart. Any restaurant or cafe that can't achieve that has been told to offer only takeout or delivery meals.

B.C.'s ban on gatherings of more than 50 people remains in effect, and people returning from any international travel have been ordered to self-isolate for 14 days.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hanibal94 on 18 March 2020, 12:08:49
 ;D ;D ;D
Where can I get one of those suits, Matteo?

The parade was great! I'd completely forgotten St. Paddy's was yesterday (it's not really a thing in Germany).
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hanibal94 on 18 March 2020, 12:19:23
Latest from Germany:

- Borders with France, Austria, Denmark, Luxembourg, and Switzerland have been pretty much closed to people, but goods will continue to flow
- Porsche, Volkswagen and BMW have all stopped production, Audi is doing short-time
- A Bavaria town ordered all citizens to stay home except for necessary things like groceries and medicine

I went running in the afternoon and there were a lot of people in the park, even for a sunny day.
Guess it's because there isn't really much else to do, and being outside is good.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Helen J on 18 March 2020, 12:58:04
All schools closing in the UK from Friday, with no date for coming back.  And the government promising vast amounts of money to keep the economy going through it all.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 18 March 2020, 14:07:12
I keep hearing all this talk about governments throwing money into the economy, which is a good and necessary thing. Normally I don't pay any attention to the stock market, but I was curious. Here's the one month trend of the Dow Jones index...

(https://i.imgur.com/mucYtgl.jpg)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 18 March 2020, 16:19:32
Lots of messages from School chums across the globe. Decision - bring in ration cards as soon as possible. Apparently even the plant nurseries are stripped out of seedlings  :-[
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 18 March 2020, 18:44:07
The entire state of Nevada, including the Las Vegas casinos, now has a complete ban on all gambling for month.   :o
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 18 March 2020, 19:07:19
Well, there's always the stock market!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 18 March 2020, 21:17:42
The entire state of Nevada, including the Las Vegas casinos, now has a complete ban on all gambling for month.   :o

Wow! They are really taking that seriously!





A friend's son works at National Institutes of Health (Maryland). He is in the cancer section rather than infectious diseases, but he is very concerned.
One piece of advice he gives: Cook all fruits and vegetables. You don't know who touched them, and washing may not be sufficient.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob on 18 March 2020, 21:36:08
Always good advice, unfortunately.

One piece of advice he gives: Cook all fruits and vegetables. You don't know who touched them, and washing may not be sufficient.

Working from home starting tomorrow. My company raised their guidance level from 'telework allowed' to 'telework recommended'.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Kevin on 19 March 2020, 10:52:26
Well, I went to chat to check in with everyone but it showed up last message on 3 March. That was spooky.

I've been in semi lock-down here in Seattle with my family going on 3 weeks already, but okay so far. Kids seem to be happy with video games and books, less so not seeing their friends much. I'm in one of those those higher risk categories, as I'm sure many OWers are too, so everyone in the family has to be on the same plan...

The National Archives is closed to the public, so our student-intern team there is instead working on other interesting things at home. One of which is categorizing the entire inventory of pre-1914 Navy ships for ocean area and adding the Wiki/DANFS ship histories to the database. In the future researchers will be able to access the inventory list remotely, download images by search criteria, and have the ship history and a picture of the ship at their fingertips at the same time. If there are OW editors especially interested in the history aspect I'm sure our students would welcome additional help there.

Also, I've been continuing conversation with the National Archives of Denmark and it looks they are interested in large-scale digitization of their collection of logbooks (some of which date back to the late 1600s). Definitely not going to run out of logbooks. 

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Helen J on 19 March 2020, 11:07:44
Lots of messages from School chums across the globe. Decision - bring in ration cards as soon as possible. Apparently even the plant nurseries are stripped out of seedlings  :-[

I needed light bulbs today, and (in a rare bit of good news) didn't have much problem finding them.  And the home shop where I found some, had plenty of towels, curtains, and other home necessities.  But not many customers; i wonder how long many of this kind of shop will stay open ....
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 19 March 2020, 11:35:24
Relieved to hear from you, Kevin!

Also, happy to hear that Adam's contact with the forum is bearing fruit. He seems like a lovely person.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 19 March 2020, 11:43:46
Last Friday, after walking Mary to work at the Cancer Agency for 9:00 AM, I carried on to SaveOn Foods, a major grocery store to get milk and bananas. The crowds were unbelievable. Normally, at that time of day, there are just a handful of people. There were only a few bananas, but not many. I got milk and, out of curiosity, I looked at the toilet paper section. There were only a couple of packages, most of those shelves were empty.

There were 6-8 checkouts open, and a huge line for the self checkouts. Most people had carts piled high with stuff. The express checkout, where I was, had 10-15 people in the line.

Today, I made the same journey, but I needed only bananas. There were only two checkouts open, and the express checkout was closed. It's always been open before.  :-\ Anyway, there were three people in front of me. The first person had two packs of toilet paper and a flat of bottled water. The second person had a roast, two packs of frozen sausages, two packs of frozen veggies and a couple other items. The third person let me go ahead because I had only bananas. There were only a few organic bananas, the "ordinary" ones were all gone. (Normally there's a huge amount.) The other checkout had three people in line, and the self checkouts were empty.

When I left, I had to cross Fort Street, which is a very busy four lane street running east-west. There were NO CARS IN SIGHT!  :o I didn't even have to press a walk signal to cross. It was the same crossing Richmond, which is a major north-south artery. I saw only three dogs for my entire trip, 16 blocks each way.  :o :o :o This is unheard of in Victoria, where every other person has at least one dog! Usually we see someone with a dog on every block.

To say it is quiet is an understatement!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 19 March 2020, 12:37:30
Well for once the weather here was lovely. I took advantage of the advice that going for a walk is OK. So I drove down to the Clyde footpath, the number of older dog walkers, older walkers like me and a few younger dog walkers was amazing. We mainly exchanged greetings from the recommended 6 feet and I came in feeling much more cheerful.

The trip to the Oberammergau Passion Play with a local group is OFF until 2022 (this year's cancellation was expected). So I just hope this summer is reasonably dry because at least I'll be able to get out into the garden. Everything has closed down, so on-line contacts like this forum are going to provide a valuable life-line, especially for those like me who live alone. The latest musings from the politicos is that the social isolation may have to continue until they get a vaccine - by which time the country should be on its knees (exhaustion rather than supplication I fear).

Still, I enjoyed my walk so  :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 19 March 2020, 12:46:53
Also, I've been continuing conversation with the National Archives of Denmark and it looks they are interested in large-scale digitization of their collection of logbooks (some of which date back to the late 1600s). Definitely not going to run out of logbooks.

That's a wonderful bit of news Kevin! Ummm- will the logs be in Danish please?

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 19 March 2020, 12:57:27
The National Archives of Denmark have Danish, Dutch, British, and American logs.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: arboggs on 19 March 2020, 14:19:54
Well, I dunno about Dutch and I only know a few phrases in Danish, but anything else in English I could manage.  ;D Also I can read French pretty well, I'm just not great at speaking it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Thursday Next on 19 March 2020, 15:43:00
I thought the UK government advice was for the vulnerable groups to self-isolate as from the weekend, though something I saw today suggested that wasn't definite.  So I was anticipating that my trip to the shops today would be my last time out and about for a long time, which has made me feel very sad.  Though I am determined to make good use of this time, not least finishing the Capetown logs.  I have stockpiled the essentials - chocolate, my favourite biscuits, the cat's favourite cat food.  I felt I already had enough toilet rolls - honestly, where are people storing all these toilet rolls?! It will be online grocery shopping from now on (I've actually managed to book a couple of deliveries!)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 19 March 2020, 18:08:17
I think if you have to isolate because you are symptomatic you have to stay in your own patch, so you can go into your garden (if you have one) but that is all. I think if you are 'vulnerable' but asymptomatic then you are discouraged from indoor contacts or going into crowded outdoor areas but activities like taking the dog out in quiet areas are permissable. The walkway is a mixed cycle and pedestrian path so wide enough for reasonable separation and the contacts probably lasted for only a couple of minutes each at the most. There is a difference between a breezy path alongside a wide river and a city centre pavement in the rush hour with exhaust fumes from the traffic. I'm hoping to avoid going into shops, even our local convenience store - but why are supermarkets proudly announcing early morning shopping hours for the elderly if we aren't allowed out of the house at all?

We all have to take our own decisions, within reason, but I cannot regret my walk because I felt so much better for the fresh air and change of view - celandines by one of the streams and a rainbow curving over the Erskine Bridge as highlights. The friendly greetings and smiles added to the enjoyment since all my social activities have been stopped for the duration. I would survive solitary confinement but 31 days segregation is regarded as inhumane by the prison authorities!!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 19 March 2020, 18:12:34
An email from the library said "All late fees will be suspended".

Another email said that the library books I checked out have been automatically renewed.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Maikel on 20 March 2020, 02:50:26
Well, I dunno about Dutch and I only know a few phrases in Danish, but anything else in English I could manage.  ;D Also I can read French pretty well, I'm just not great at speaking it.

Nederlands is makkelijker dan Engels, voor mij althans. ;)
Dutch is easier than English, for me anyway. ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Helen J on 20 March 2020, 07:19:06
An email from the library said "All late fees will be suspended".

Another email said that the library books I checked out have been automatically renewed.

Our libraries closed very suddenly and all fines are suspended.  I didn't get there to stock up, but did make it to the local Oxfam shop and staggered home with some (mainly large) novels to keep me going.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 20 March 2020, 10:12:58
OWA has plenty of logs ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: arboggs on 20 March 2020, 10:34:01
There's always more logs!  ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hanibal94 on 20 March 2020, 10:57:59
... Said Paul Bunyan  ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 20 March 2020, 12:01:21
On a more positive note: During a pandemic, Isaac Newton had to work from home, too. He used the time wisely. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/03/12/during-pandemic-isaac-newton-had-work-home-too-he-used-time-wisely/) ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bob on 20 March 2020, 12:17:53
 ;D

... Said Paul Bunyan  ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 20 March 2020, 12:44:03
 :) :) :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Thursday Next on 20 March 2020, 14:42:49
I think if you have to isolate because you are symptomatic you have to stay in your own patch, so you can go into your garden (if you have one) but that is all. I think if you are 'vulnerable' but asymptomatic then you are discouraged from indoor contacts or going into crowded outdoor areas but activities like taking the dog out in quiet areas are permissable. The walkway is a mixed cycle and pedestrian path so wide enough for reasonable separation and the contacts probably lasted for only a couple of minutes each at the most. There is a difference between a breezy path alongside a wide river and a city centre pavement in the rush hour with exhaust fumes from the traffic. I'm hoping to avoid going into shops, even our local convenience store - but why are supermarkets proudly announcing early morning shopping hours for the elderly if we aren't allowed out of the house at all?

We all have to take our own decisions, within reason, but I cannot regret my walk because I felt so much better for the fresh air and change of view - celandines by one of the streams and a rainbow curving over the Erskine Bridge as highlights. The friendly greetings and smiles added to the enjoyment since all my social activities have been stopped for the duration. I would survive solitary confinement but 31 days segregation is regarded as inhumane by the prison authorities!!

I am finding the UK government advice very confusing.  They use the term "self-isolating" both for people who are presently healthy but isolating themselves to protect themselves from getting ill, and for people who have symptoms and need to stay at home so that they do not spread the infection.  The rules are different for these two circumstances, but it is not always clear which situation the official advice is referring to.  On a lighter note, I saw my first butterfly of the year in my garden - I think it was a Red Admiral, but it didn't stop (not much to detain butterflies in my garden at this time of year) but it was lovely to see one.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 20 March 2020, 15:13:56
I'm so happy to hear of the butterfly! Thank you.

This article (https://www.medialens.org/2020/for-unknown-reasons-they-waited-and-watched-lancet-editor-exposes-devastating-government-failure-on-coronavirus/) may explain why you are confused. It's not for the faint of heart, especially if you're a big fan of your Prime Minister.

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 20 March 2020, 15:44:43
There was a Glasgow GP on the radio this morning. He seemed to divide the 'vulnerable' into 2 broad groups. The ultra-vulnerable which included transplant recipients, those on or recently receiving cancer chemo or radio therapy, brittle asthma, COPD, emphysema, and heart failure and the elderly, controlled diabetics, high blood pressure, controlled asthma etc. The former group may need to aim for total segregation while the latter, while avoiding high street shopping if possible, are allowed outdoor exercise keeping 6 ft separation. Social gatherings of any kind should be avoided as much as possible.

One of the things the article quoted above misses is the 'end game'. The fear is that the infection rate will drop, the restrictions will be relaxed, since we haven't eliminated the virus the outbreak will start up again. Some people believe that we will still end up with 80% overall infection, just spread out over 2 or 3 years. The saviour will be either a vaccine which confers reasonable immunity for at least 12 months or a drug which reduces the severity of the disease. Just to really frighten the reader some people have raised the problem that the immune response of survivors will wane over months or a couple of years and so they too will be susceptible fairly quickly. They quote the common cold - a different group of coronaviruses.

Judging by the teenagers I saw congregating on the far river bank after school social segregation was far from their thoughts,
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 21 March 2020, 10:23:24
Quote from: https://pge.post-gazette.com/.fullpdfs/2020/03/20200320.pdf
The University of Pittsburgh's Center for Vaccine Research is part of an international consortium of three organizations receiving a $4.9 million grant to develop a COVID-19 vaccine candidate based on measles-vector technology.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 21 March 2020, 11:42:47
Quote from: https://pge.post-gazette.com/.fullpdfs/2020/03/20200320.pdf
The University of Pittsburgh's Center for Vaccine Research is part of an international consortium of three organizations receiving a $4.9 million grant to develop a COVID-19 vaccine candidate based on measles-vector technology.

Then I wish them every success - and speedily so!


Just chatting to Ron next door - by telephone of course - and he wondered how the figure of 20,000 deaths in the UK had been arrived at. I took a look back at the figures for the last great London smog which claimed many additional lives over 5 days. Given that Covid19 will affect the whole country a figure of 20,000 starts to look possible in my humble opinion :(
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=figures+deaths+london+smogs&atb=v177-1&iax=images&iai=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.soe.uoguelph.ca%2Fwebfiles%2Fgej%2FAQ2017%2FDunnings%2FMortality_Graph.png&ia=images
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 21 March 2020, 11:51:43
I had to go to the grocery store yesterday. At the moment there is no home delivery and no curbside pick-up at the stores. It was quite busy, but not crowded. People were calm and in a good humor. However, I was in the minority of people that were wearing disposable plastic gloves :-X

The drive up window at a bank near me had cars backed up into the street when I left for the grocery store and when I returned.

Without my usual volunteer work at the library, I have trouble remembering what day it is!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 21 March 2020, 12:15:54
Decided to do an on-line shop. My usual supermarket, 1st slot 9 April, ?40 minimum spend BUT no fresh fruit or veg available for order. Without those I would find it difficult to spend ?40 sensibly. Haven't tried the others. So I went over to the convenience store across the road, one girl waiting to pay so I picked up some tinned fruit, which I don't need in the next two weeks but I don't want to trawl the shops looking for supplies, it's getting too dodgy.

While I was paying a gaggle of teenagers tried to come in but the rule in that shop is two kids at a time, so the ones who were waiting to pay then crowded behind me and were quite shirty when I asked them to step back. When I left there were 8 or 9 of them in a huddle outside. Yesterday schools finished and the police were moving them on from the Clyde walkway because large groups were congregating and passing round illegally bought alcohol. So I fear closing the schools is likely to increase transmission if anything.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 21 March 2020, 14:00:08
Distilleries turn alcohol into hand sanitizer
Quote from: https://pge.post-gazette.com/.fullpdfs/2020/03/20200321.pdf
The federal Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau, or TTB, that regulates distillers temporarily OK'd others following suit in this emergency, as long as they followed a recipe approved by the World Health Organization.
The Pennsylvania Liquor Control Board gave distilleries its approval, too, on Thursday night.
...
Pittsburgh Police spokesman Chris Togneri said, "We are very appreciative of Tim's efforts. Public Safety has learned from experience that in times of need and in times of uncertainty, Pittsburghers always rise to the occasion and do whatever they can to help."
...
Mr. Kanto and other distillers are working with the Pennsylvania Distillers Guild. Its president, Rob Cassell, is working with state government officials to get the state and as many of 130 distilleries as possible here working together on a coordinated effort to fund, produce and distribute millions of bottles of hand sanitizer.

That's the spirit! ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Thursday Next on 21 March 2020, 14:55:02
I'm so happy to hear of the butterfly! Thank you.

This article (https://www.medialens.org/2020/for-unknown-reasons-they-waited-and-watched-lancet-editor-exposes-devastating-government-failure-on-coronavirus/) may explain why you are confused. It's not for the faint of heart, especially if you're a big fan of your Prime Minister.

Thanks, Michael - I think it's fair to say that I have never been a big fan of the UK Prime Minister ...
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Caro on 21 March 2020, 15:39:27
Distilleries turn alcohol into hand sanitizer

That's the spirit! ;D

And ... https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/18/brewdog-begins-making-hand-sanitiser-shortages-uk
:)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 21 March 2020, 21:56:36
However...

Why Soap Works
Quote from: https://nyti.ms/3aMr6U2
On the whole, hand sanitizers are not as reliable as soap.
...
In an age of robotic surgery and gene therapy, it is all the more wondrous that a bit of soap in water, an ancient and fundamentally unaltered recipe, remains one of our most valuable medical interventions.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: leelaht on 22 March 2020, 12:09:05
My 5-yr-old laptop has been slightly laggy for awhile, but 2 weeks ago it got really bad, but then it got better.  Figured it might be time to replace.  Went to the computer store and it packed full of families.  About half the laptop display was 'out of stock.'  Salesman said in 1 week they moved 1500 computers!  The 3 I wanted to look at were gone.  I left empty handed.  The roads were crowded too, and this is Ohio, on the forefront of social distancing and shutting things down (e.g. no primary voting today).  On the other hand, went grocery shopping last weekend and my car was by itself in the parking lot, there were 3 shoppers in the store and one cashier.  It's a smallish store, about 6 aisles, but still.... not at all like the media were reporting.

As it happens, there was a feature article in the local business section of the Sunday paper about the computer store I went to and how busy they were.  They want to be classified as an essential business if the governor decides to close everything down.
Returned to the same grocery store yesterday, one cashier, 3 other shoppers, display of cleaning products still had items, but they were all out of bread.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 22 March 2020, 12:58:42
My 5-yr-old laptop has been slightly laggy for awhile, but 2 weeks ago it got really bad, but then it got better.  Figured it might be time to replace.  Went to the computer store and it packed full of families.  About half the laptop display was 'out of stock.'  Salesman said in 1 week they moved 1500 computers!  The 3 I wanted to look at were gone.  I left empty handed.  The roads were crowded too, and this is Ohio, on the forefront of social distancing and shutting things down (e.g. no primary voting today).  On the other hand, went grocery shopping last weekend and my car was by itself in the parking lot, there were 3 shoppers in the store and one cashier.  It's a smallish store, about 6 aisles, but still.... not at all like the media were reporting.

As it happens, there was a feature article in the local business section of the Sunday paper about the computer store I went to and how busy they were.  They want to be classified as an essential business if the governor decides to close everything down.
Returned to the same grocery store yesterday, one cashier, 3 other shoppers, display of cleaning products still had items, but they were all out of bread.

With so many people stuck at home, working from home, and many schools still trying to hold virtual classes, I would consider computer stores essential.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 22 March 2020, 18:05:37
Sign see on our way back from buying a couple of bottles of wine. If worse comes to worst at least we can drink ourselves to death.  ;)

(https://i.imgur.com/PPSUKXN.jpg)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 23 March 2020, 12:19:40
A very quiet day on the streets of Victoria! On my walk with Mary to the Cancer Agency and back, 26 blocks in all, I counted:

I don't recommend it, but I think a driver would probably be OK to ignore traffic lights and drive just as if they were all green all the time.  ::)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hanibal94 on 23 March 2020, 12:46:41
The state of Saxony has implemented major restrictions on leaving the house
Basically, there's a whitelist of what you're allowed to go out for, such as buying food/medicine or your job, but everything else is nope. Thank goodness we have such a huge backyard at home.
On Wednesday morning, I have to go to the office to pack stuff (my company is moving at the end of the month, this was planned a long time ago). That should go OK, but I will be taking my ID and a couple other important documents just in case.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 23 March 2020, 14:43:33
From what I hear, Seattle is like a ghost town.

Seattle is at the north end of King County.  I live in the south end of the county.  I went out for a Volkssport walk yesterday and traffic seemed to be only slightly less than normal.  Parking lots at supermarkets looked about normal; not overflowing with people in a panic, but back to where they were a month ago.  The only thing different were empty play fields where there would normally be baseball and soccer on a Sunday afternoon and businesses that have been forced to close.

Last night the mayors of eight of the cities in the south end of the county got together and issued a joint message telling people to voluntarily follow the best practices, including buying only necessary amounts of products, or they will be forced to take further action.

A couple cities to the north that have already been hard hit by the virus have issued stay at home orders except for people going to essential jobs, essential trips to stores, or getting outdoors for exercise while staying at least six feet from others.  They don't say how they intend to enforce it or what the penalties would be for violators.

The news media is saying that with all the kids out of school and people not working, many people are treating this as vacation time.  The Oregon Coast is normally quiet this time of year, but is packed with tourists now, forcing Oregon to close all state parks and encourage people to go home.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Thursday Next on 23 March 2020, 15:23:47
There is the same problem in the UK with people treating it like holiday time.  Snowdon in North Wales had its busiest ever day on Saturday!  The weather was beautiful over the weekend and I daresay that individually most of these people thought that since they were going in the car, then when they got there because it is an open space and it would be easy to keep away from other people, so it would be OK and they wouldn't be breaking the social distancing guidelines.  But so many people all thought the same thing!  Anyway I have managed to sort an online grocery shop this evening, so that is good.  It still all seems a bit unreal to me.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 23 March 2020, 15:38:34
Very pleased, when I got logged on, that one of the online supermarkets is limiting the number of items you can get - though managing a family on it wouldn't work.

Today was very quiet outside - just saw one single high level plane, and very few trains.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Helen J on 24 March 2020, 04:49:47
UK is now in stricter lockdown; as in many other places, we're only supposed to go out for food or medicine shopping, exercise (once a day, and alone), medical appointments, or to travel to work if it counts as essential and can't be done at home.  It was only announced yesterday evening, and I'm hearing some questions being raised as to how it will be enforced.  But it ought to give a very clear message about what is required.
The first casualty of the new policy is that I remain shaggy - I had a much needed haircut booked for this morning, until the hairdresser rang to say she was now closed.  The right decision for sure, but I'm just pondering how much I can manage to tidy it up without doing lasting damage.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 24 March 2020, 05:30:01
Helen you have my sincere sympathies - and plenty of empathy from me. That old song 'I'll be your long-haired lover from Liverpool' keeps swimming through my head  ::) 
Of course back in the day of wide-knicker-elastic. it was easy to run up a tube of fabric, elasticate it, and use it to keep your hair off your face as you applied face creams and the like.  Come to think about it - I probably do still have some wide-knicker-elastic somewhere - another job for today then  :D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 24 March 2020, 06:04:47
If all else fails Helen, go back to classical Franciscan dress until your hair grows long enough for a 'long' style. Might be worth getting some hair slides & kirby grips (not sure what they call them these days) and some hair bands next time you do a supermarket shop, or you might find some in your local pharmacy. I grew my hair for the first time when I was in hospital and unable to go to the hairdressers for a couple of months because of mobility problems. Can't quite remember how I did it the second time and now I just bring the ends forward and cut them level looking in the mirror. But once it's long enough to 'put up' it is very easy to look after!!   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Helen J on 24 March 2020, 09:24:28
The trouble is that my hair doesn't so much grow as peter out - there are one or two dreadful photos from my student days to prove this.  So it just gets thinner as it gets longer, and any kind of bounce is dragged out of it, but it's very unlikely to get long enough to do anything with.  I think the scissors are the only answer.  If I can make the front look a bit better, the back can look after itself ....
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 24 March 2020, 11:34:08
That's difficult. When I was a student mine grew, fine and dead straight. This was not the fashion which was waves or curls. Now teenagers spend hours .straightening their wavy hair!! But I can sympathise with the 'petering out'. As I've got older mine is getting finer and sparser but not much greyer. I think I'd prefer abundant grey hair to my present thin, brown crowning 'glory'. Ah well, I live alone and if desperate there are always headscarves or beanie hats.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 24 March 2020, 11:54:41
The City of Kent just closed all city parks entirely.

I was starting to think about getting a haircut and then the barber shops were suddenly closed last week just before I got in.  My poor barber practically lives in his barber shop.  He says he can't stand his wife and uses work as an excuse to get away from her.   ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 24 March 2020, 12:24:18
Shaggy is in! ;D



Quote from: https://pge.post-gazette.com/.fullpdfs/2020/03/20200324.pdf
By Sean Hamill Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
[Pennsylvania governor] Wolf issues stay-at-home order for Allegheny, hardest-hit counties
Worried by an "exponential rise" in new COVID-19 cases that are nearly doubling every two days, Gov. Tom Wolf on Monday ordered residents in seven counties hardest hit by the pandemic, including Allegheny County, to stay home for the next two weeks unless they have a dire need to leave their home.
...
The state also provided guidelines for activity it considers acceptable over the next two weeks, including going to buy food and medicine, caring for a family member or pet, and taking a walk for exercise.


Aside from a bit of neck pain and eye strain from too much time on the computer, I'm fine ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 24 March 2020, 14:27:51
I'm glad to hear you're doing OK!  :)

Various provinces are shutting down, too, but not us, not quite yet.  ::)

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-covid-19-coronavirus-1.5507657
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Thursday Next on 24 March 2020, 14:30:40
I warned my hairdresser when I phoned to cancel my April appointment that the next time she sees me I will have much longer hair and a wonky fringe!  I'm only proposing to tackle the fringe and I'll just leave the rest - after all, no-one's going to see me!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 24 March 2020, 15:07:04
The entire state of Washington is shut down now with exceptions for essential medical or shopping trips and getting out for exercise.

I'm noticing a major increase in delivery trucks stopping on my street.

Since I'm retired, I generally don't leave the house much anyway.  The only impact for me so far has been that I'm going out of my way to make purchases online and I can't go visit museums in Seattle, which I otherwise like to do once a month or so.

Last week I was under the weather for a few days.  I felt like I was in a fog and my temperature was slightly above normal, but nowhere near 100F which is what they are using as a possible indication of having the virus.  I didn't have a cough or any problem breathing.  So without any of the symptoms that would allow me to be tested, I don't know whether I am one of the lucky ones with just a mild response to the virus, or whether it was something else.  Anyway, I feel great today.   :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 24 March 2020, 15:32:18
The Washington State Education Department has told schools they must resume holding classes in some form by March 30.  It'll be interesting to see how this story evolves.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 24 March 2020, 15:43:47
Short notice...
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 24 March 2020, 15:49:57
Glad to hear that you are feeling better Gordon!  :D

Getting schools going again (by whatever system) by 30th March?  Poor IT team that has to create that lot!!   :-[ :-\
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 24 March 2020, 16:07:11
My only comment to this news story is "REALLY what is Australia coming to"   :o ::)   :-\  :(  :'(  ???
It is worth a look at.
 This story may seem funny but Really. (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-25/coronavirus-why-cant-parliament-work-from-home/12086106?utm_source=sfmc&utm_medium=email&utm_content=&utm_campaign=%5bnews_sfmc_newsmail_am_df_!n1%5d%3a8935&user_id=52c8c2c753d72a5ca7e018ff3d7a8c8fd01a579f7f3584bebb73e22e12e0c032&WT.tsrc=email&WT.mc_id=Email%7c%5bnews_sfmc_newsmail_am_df_!n1%5d%7c8935ABCNewsmail_topstories_articlelink)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 24 March 2020, 17:46:26
I'm happy to hear that you're well, Gordon!  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 24 March 2020, 17:54:52
Hi Gordon.
Maybe you could get a part time IT job setting up distance learning classes.

Keep well everybody.
Randi, do not allocate any ships that have had voyages from Feb 2020 to anybody.  ::)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 25 March 2020, 05:35:28
Needed some acyclovir ointment this morning and wasn't sure whether I could explain this to my Chinese neighbours so decided to reconnoitre the Pharmacy. Quiet, got ointment, supermarket looked quiet as well. Security desk manned and warnings about keeping distance on entry. Plenty of fresh fruit and veg - what I really wanted by week-end. So got my fruit and veg then milk, couple of packs of long life meat, some cereals. Well organised queue, spacing for check-out queue marked out and supervised. Only 3 people waiting so hardly had time to exchange greetings with village minister who was in front of me.  Bout of hand washing to cope with unloading and topping up bird feeders and I am now relaxing with a cuppa and my computer. Frenzy is definitely dying down round here.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Helen J on 25 March 2020, 10:11:15
Needed some acyclovir ointment this morning and wasn't sure whether I could explain this to my Chinese neighbours so decided to reconnoitre the Pharmacy. Quiet, got ointment, supermarket looked quiet as well. Security desk manned and warnings about keeping distance on entry. Plenty of fresh fruit and veg - what I really wanted by week-end. So got my fruit and veg then milk, couple of packs of long life meat, some cereals. Well organised queue, spacing for check-out queue marked out and supervised. Only 3 people waiting so hardly had time to exchange greetings with village minister who was in front of me.  Bout of hand washing to cope with unloading and topping up bird feeders and I am now relaxing with a cuppa and my computer. Frenzy is definitely dying down round here.

I need to make my next shopping foray on Friday, so am hoping this will be the case here too.  There will have been a few days since the latest changes for those prone to panicking to have done so, and for the supermarkets to have got new systems in place.  Tomorrow I'm off to the hospital, which will involve walking through the centre of town; I'll be interested to see what is still open, and who is still around.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 25 March 2020, 10:32:28
I hope you are a visitor an the hospital and not a patient!



This is the first time I heard this...
Quote from: https://nyti.ms/2WB21rx
There is growing evidence that anosmia -- loss of the sense of smell -- may be a coronavirus symptom. Medical experts said that people who lose their ability to smell or taste should isolate themselves for at least a week, even if they are otherwise asymptomatic.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 25 March 2020, 11:11:41
Even though King County has been under a stay at home order for awhile, the entire state has now been ordered to stay at home.  Today is the first day I've noticed a difference here.  I live on the side of a hill overlooking downtown Kent.  Normally in the morning I hear a gradually increasing roar from all the traffic in the valley below.  Today is significantly quieter.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 25 March 2020, 11:35:31
Quote from: https://www.navalhistory.org/2020/03/24/16442
The History of Hospital Ships
Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:05 AM
By Emily Hegranes

Did you know that the USNS Mercy (T-AH-19) arrived in Los Angeles, California earlier today? The Mercy and her sister ship, the USNS Comfort, are both hospital ships operated by the United States' Military Sealift Command, and both have a long history of aiding combatant forces as well as civilians in need of disaster and humanitarian relief. Seeing the Mercy on the news, however, lit a question in my archival brain: just what is the history of hospital ships?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 25 March 2020, 12:01:43
I did my morning walk, about 80 minutes in total, half of it on major thoroughfares. I saw just 18 people walking, five cyclists and four dogs. That's seeing a person on the street every four or five minutes. Walking to the Cancer Agency, 13 blocks, I saw just one jogger, two cars and one bus. To say this city is quiet is an understatement!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Thursday Next on 25 March 2020, 14:35:10
Needed some acyclovir ointment this morning and wasn't sure whether I could explain this to my Chinese neighbours so decided to reconnoitre the Pharmacy. Quiet, got ointment, supermarket looked quiet as well. Security desk manned and warnings about keeping distance on entry. Plenty of fresh fruit and veg - what I really wanted by week-end. So got my fruit and veg then milk, couple of packs of long life meat, some cereals. Well organised queue, spacing for check-out queue marked out and supervised. Only 3 people waiting so hardly had time to exchange greetings with village minister who was in front of me.  Bout of hand washing to cope with unloading and topping up bird feeders and I am now relaxing with a cuppa and my computer. Frenzy is definitely dying down round here.

Well, I'm glad it's dying down where you are!  A week ago I checked with my local pharmacy (a small branch of Boots) whether they could deliver my prescriptions - no problem, they said, just phone us three working days after you put in the prescription.  So today, actually four working days after I put in the prescription, I phoned.  They are not answering the phone.  It rings for 2 minutes then cuts out - there is no message.  They do not have an email address, their text number does not support replies, and I have been in a virtual queue on their website for 90 minutes and am about one-fifth of the way to the front.  It is not as if I can just pop down there to find out what is going on!  Their Facebook page is full of similarly disgruntled customers!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 25 March 2020, 15:12:43
Well, I'm glad it's dying down where you are!  A week ago I checked with my local pharmacy (a small branch of Boots) whether they could deliver my prescriptions - no problem, they said, just phone us three working days after you put in the prescription.  So today, actually four working days after I put in the prescription, I phoned.  They are not answering the phone.  It rings for 2 minutes then cuts out - there is no message.  They do not have an email address, their text number does not support replies, and I have been in a virtual queue on their website for 90 minutes and am about one-fifth of the way to the front.  It is not as if I can just pop down there to find out what is going on!  Their Facebook page is full of similarly disgruntled customers!

Gosh - that's very poor - and from such a major supplier  :-[ :-[ :(  I hope you get through soon and all is well.  :D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 25 March 2020, 15:21:48
Oh dear, the supermarket delivery service is much the same. I got an email about Morrison's 'Food Box'. 24 hours later all slots booked.
There were 2 people collecting prescriptions at the Chemist's (rearranged shelving gave enough queueing space). Unfortunately for historic reasons they don't collect from my GP. So, if the local chemists nearer my GP no longer collects and delivers then I'm going to have to rely on neighbours.

Life does get complicated when you are told to do something and then discover that someone hasn't done their sums to organise the deliveries.

Hope it all gets sorted out soon enough for you to get your stuff in good time.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 25 March 2020, 22:51:16
Recreational marijuana was legalized in Washington State a few years ago.  The state has now been placed under a stay-at-home order with all non-essential businesses being ordered to close.  However, pot shops have been deemed essential and will be allowed to remain open for business.   ::)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 26 March 2020, 09:46:56
::) ::) ::)

For some people that may be true, however...
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 26 March 2020, 10:59:00
Quote from: https://pge.post-gazette.com/.fullpdfs/2020/03/20200326.pdf, Random acts of kindness
Kind gestures sustain during trying time Approaching the Baum Boulevard Aldi store on a recent Friday, I could see through the windows it was teeming with customers. Slightly panicked, I went to grab a shopping cart. Surprise! Someone had put a quarter in every cart, 20 of them. And the kindness continued. Although shelves were mostly empty, someone put the last loaf of bread in an elderly lady?s cart, another let a father with two kids go to the front of the checkout line, which extended to the very back of the store. There were smiles and encouraging words exchanged. I am convinced that this pandemic could pull the best out of all of us. Care, compassion and love will make us stronger rather than weaker. So, Post-Gazette, expect an explosion of stories, and save at least an entire page for Random Acts of Kindness every Thursday. Or perhaps you should publish them on the front page as an encouragement and inspiration. If we all try to outdo each other, a new pandemic will explode. One of kindness, care and compassion that will sweep our beautiful and strong city. FRANCISCA
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hanibal94 on 26 March 2020, 11:06:28
Went to donate blood today, but the blood bank said no thanks - their stockpiles have been full for two weeks!
Apparently, donated blood can only be kept for so long before it can't be used anymore, and a lot of people have donated recently.
On my way to and back, I noticed there were still a good deal of people out and about, it definitely didn't look like a ghost town.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 26 March 2020, 11:29:45
In the UK you are offered apointments. Might be worth phoning them and seeing if they could do something similar. It would save you a wasted journey and minimise your contaccts.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hanibal94 on 26 March 2020, 12:23:20
They were taking down people's contact info in case they need more blood later, so I gave them mine.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 26 March 2020, 15:14:55
Well done, as more people become ill there will be fewer donors for a while and even though there will probably be less elective surgery there will still be a need for blood.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Thursday Next on 26 March 2020, 15:18:50
I'm pleased to say the pharmacy answered the phone this morning and are going to deliver my prescription tomorrow - it did belatedly occur to me that they might just have had a fault on the phone system rather than being overwhelmed. 

Just been outside to do the "Clap for our Carers".  I had wondered if I might be on my own here, but about half my street were at their doors applauding.  And you could hear the clapping from all around the neighbourhood.  I feel quite emotional now!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: leelaht on 26 March 2020, 15:32:44
Went to donate blood today, but the blood bank said no thanks - their stockpiles have been full for two weeks!
Apparently, donated blood can only be kept for so long before it can't be used anymore, and a lot of people have donated recently.
On my way to and back, I noticed there were still a good deal of people out and about, it definitely didn't look like a ghost town.
I donated blood today.  Been getting emails about dire shortage.  Website said appts full and to look two weeks out.  I looked day to day and found an opening 4 days hence.  But then yesterday I got an email that the event was cancelled.  Then this morning I got an email that the cancellation email was an error, it was for another location, not the one I signed up for.  So I went.  We're under a shelter in place order but there were a heck of a lot of folks on the road.  Blood donation site was busy.  Stopped off at my grocery store on the way back to see if there was bread (yes) but no bananas.  Besides myself there was one other person in the store and the cashier.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 26 March 2020, 15:52:11
Went out to applaud the NHS at 8 o'clock. A heartening number of neighbours were out there. It felt good. No instant, practical solution, but an affirmation of how much we owe to the carers of this country.  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: jil on 26 March 2020, 16:32:01
Went out to applaud the NHS at 8 o'clock. A heartening number of neighbours were out there. It felt good. No instant, practical solution, but an affirmation of how much we owe to the carers of this country.  :) :) :)
Forgot  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 26 March 2020, 17:20:22
Just been outside to do the "Clap for our Carers".  I had wondered if I might be on my own here, but about half my street were at their doors applauding.  And you could hear the clapping from all around the neighbourhood.  I feel quite emotional now!

That was a lovely idea!!!
(sniff)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 26 March 2020, 18:45:51
Quote from: https://nyti.ms/2Ul7t05
Had the baseball season not been postponed because of the coronavirus, players across the country would have been decked out in crisp new uniforms for opening day on Thursday. Now, some uniforms will be put to better use.
Fanatics, the company that manufactures the Nike uniforms for Major League Baseball, has temporarily converted its domestic factory in Easton, Pa., to produce desperately needed protective masks and gowns for medical professionals who are fighting the pandemic in the United States.
The masks are made from the same bolts of polyester mesh fabric used to make big-league uniforms, and the first prototypes bear the distinctive pinstripes of the Yankees and the Philadelphia Phillies.
;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Caro on 27 March 2020, 02:02:37
Went out to applaud the NHS at 8 o'clock. A heartening number of neighbours were out there. It felt good. No instant, practical solution, but an affirmation of how much we owe to the carers of this country.  :) :) :)

There was a big round of applause here too.
We have three NHS workers and a doctors' surgery in our small neighbourhood.

Slightly bigger neighbourhood up the road!
https://twitter.com/jt_camera/status/1243272359857004544?s=20

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 29 March 2020, 13:55:57
Quote from: https://pge.post-gazette.com/.fullpdfs/2020/03/20200328.pdf
Makers step up, print 3D medical equipment
By Jeremy Reynolds Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Across the country, hospitals are reporting severe shortages of medical masks and equipment in the fight against COVID-19. Suppliers are stepping up efforts to increase production, but this is a solution that will take months to materialize. Enter the makers. Around the globe, groups of makers -- hobbyists that exist in the intersection of technology and the DIY movement -- have begun making face shields and masks using 3D-printing technology. A 3D printer layers molten plastic to sculpt constructs, working from computer designs. These printers are capable of molding car parts, prosthetic limbs, musical instruments and more. In Pittsburgh, a loose-knit community of makers and individuals have begun producing hundreds of face shields and masks, then donating them directly to hospitals and health care professionals. It's a small effort that's rapidly gaining steam. The hobbyists are attempting to go through formal hospital channels to determine whether their creations are medically sound. To date, neither Allegheny Health Network nor UPMC have been able to respond with a formal assessment, even though dozens of individual doctors and nurses have contacted the makers to request supplies.
...
On Thursday, the Food and Drug Administration updated its guidelines in regards to the safety of 3D-printing personal protective equipment, or PPE. The FDA states that "3D-printed PPE can be used to provide a physical barrier to the environment. However, 3D-printed PPE are unlikely to provide the same fluid barrier and air filtration protection as FDA cleared surgical masks and N95 respirators."
...
At this point, roughly 30 people in the 3DPPGH community are printing face shields using a public design from a company in the Czech Republic. "In the time that it takes UPMC to figure out whether they want this, we have individual doctors placing orders for hundreds of these shields," Mr. Priore said. "They're telling me that they have nothing left." It takes about 3.5 hours to print the headband for the shields. The makers aren't asking for any money and are donating all of the completed products, although Mr. Priore said they may hold a GoFundMe campaign in the future to cover costs of materials. They've shipped more than 100 to out-of-state hospitals but are beginning to focus more heavily on local hospital chains. In less than a week, word has spread, and Mr. Priore is now receiving requests for dozens or hundreds of shields at a time. He said the group is working with UPMC to determine whether there will be official requests for the shields, but in the meantime, he's delivering to individual doctors, nurses and surgeons.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 29 March 2020, 16:31:59
Earliest appointment I could get to donate Plasma is the 20th April.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 29 March 2020, 21:59:47
Fashion and maker communities stitch face masks to help during pandemic (https://pge.post-gazette.com/.fullpdfs/2020/03/20200329.pdf)
Quote
Noted New York City fashion designer Christian Siriano of "Project Runway" fame shared on social media that he has a full sewing team at the ready to make masks for those on the front lines of the fight against COVID-19. That tweet turned into a lifeline. New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo accepted the offer and took to Twitter to invite more to join him.
...
Several members of Pittsburgh's fashion community are following in their footsteps. Meet three groups that are using their talents to cut and sew masks for health care professionals and others who need them locally and beyond.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 29 March 2020, 23:44:44
All manner of holiday yard decorations sprout up as people are stuck at home (https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2020/03/27/all-manner-holiday-yard-decorations-sprout-up-people-are-stuck-home/?utm_campaign=wp_the_optimist&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_optimist)


Quote from: https://nyti.ms/2xziT7e
Looking for Hope, Uplift or Just a Distraction From Virus Fears? Read On.

(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/03/26/us/00virus-uplifiting-library/00virus-uplifiting-library-articleLarge.jpg)
The network of Little Free Libraries, small wooden cabinets that allow people to donate or take books, started blossoming around the country about a decade ago. The organization behind it recently opened its 100,000th library in Houston.

But in the past few weeks, some of them have been transformed, with books replaced or augmented with canned goods, toilet paper, cleaning supplies and yarn and needles.



Joseph's Machines:
https://twitter.com/anitamassey86/status/1242816478849662985?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1242816478849662985&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2Farticle%2Fvirus-hope-uplift-distraction.html
Watch it through to the end ;)

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: arboggs on 30 March 2020, 14:15:27
Well, I'm in Virginia and our governor just officially put us under lockdown order. Most everyone has been on remote work and remote schooling for at least a week or two. I just spent time weeding in the garden, a thing I usually dislike, but I just needed to be out in the sunshine and fresh air.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 30 March 2020, 14:23:10
I think Joseph has too much time on his hands.  ::)  ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 30 March 2020, 14:44:06
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 30 March 2020, 15:26:16
Fresh air and sunlight definitely helps. At least we are allowed out for daily exercise (local, driving to beauty spots is strongly discouraged) and 'necessary' shopping or medical matters. You are supposed to keep at least 6 feet away from anyone who is not part of your household. It's actually quite friendly because you usually smile or speak just to show you are not being rude.  The latest prediction is at least 12 weeks like this although they will review it every 3 weeks. So on Thursday I will do a supermarket run at 9am and instead of turning right as I come out of the carpark, I will turn left for 50 yards and then go right to another carpark where I can walk along the footpath (wide enough to just about manage the 6 ft rule) by the Clyde and get some different views. My personal bit of boudary pushing.  ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Thursday Next on 30 March 2020, 15:38:12
I'm planning to walk down to the postbox in a couple of days time - I'm getting quite excited about the prospect! :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 30 March 2020, 15:51:58
I'm planning to walk down to the postbox in a couple of days time - I'm getting quite excited about the prospect! :)

 ::)  ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 30 March 2020, 16:02:35
I'm planning to walk down to the postbox in a couple of days time - I'm getting quite excited about the prospect! :)
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Caro on 30 March 2020, 16:02:57
Your excitement is understandable, Su.
I walked into town today and visited a small supermarket.
An elderly man shouted at me to keep the 2-metre distance in an aisle (I was maybe 1.5 metres away from him) so I moved back to let him pass.
He turned and smiled and shouted 'Thank you!'.
Made me smile too.  :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 30 March 2020, 16:26:26
I'm running out of places to walk.  Earlier all parks were closed.  Now almost all trails in the county are closed except for essential trips.

There have been intermittent squalls coming through today; even some sleet, and possible thunderstorms tomorrow.  When the weather settles down in a couple days I plan to walk down into town for the exercise and to see what it's like down there now.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 30 March 2020, 17:15:12
I'm going to sally forth around the garages here in the Close when the wind is not too biting and the sun is out. The air is so much fresher now that the traffic is down. :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 30 March 2020, 17:48:14
I am going to move about between my browser tabs. Does that count as exercise?    :-[
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 30 March 2020, 18:36:15
Yup. You can also do curls using a glass of beer for a weight.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 31 March 2020, 01:20:46
Yup. You can also do curls using a glass of beer for a weight.

Thanks.
Like that idea. How about curls using a Jug?

(https://media.giphy.com/media/e6TR9n00dL3JS/200.gif)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 31 March 2020, 02:03:59
Today was the first day that Washington state mandated that school districts state-wide resume some form of teaching despite the physical schools being closed.  It was chaotic as expected, but at least they are making an effort.  The biggest problem seems to be the large number of families that cannot afford a laptop at home.  Students are asking whether they need to attend since attendance is not being taken and no grades being assigned.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/education/confusion-uncertainty-on-first-day-of-state-mandated-remote-learning-for-washington-school-districts/ (https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/education/confusion-uncertainty-on-first-day-of-state-mandated-remote-learning-for-washington-school-districts/)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 31 March 2020, 10:42:20
Thanks, Stuart.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

It's something to strive for.  ::)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 31 March 2020, 10:48:22

Wales has a new enemy at hand. Quake in your shoes gardeners of Llandudno....

(https://imgur.com/E1lBlS4.png)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 31 March 2020, 11:23:04
The biggest problem seems to be the large number of families that cannot afford a laptop at home. 

Here a lot of people come to the library when they need to use a computer. Now that is cut off too :'(
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 31 March 2020, 11:43:39
Quote from: https://pge.post-gazette.com/.fullpdfs/2020/03/20200331.pdf
The number of COVID-19 cases in Allegheny County rose to 290, the health department said Monday. That number is up from 265 on Sunday and 219 on Saturday. The county said 38 people have required hospitalization as a result of the viral disease.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Thursday Next on 31 March 2020, 12:46:38
If you need a laugh, read this:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/30/astrophysicist-gets-magnets-stuck-up-nose-while-inventing-coronavirus-device?CMP=share_btn_fb&fbclid=IwAR2nBQdXqchORslRGBEcVBUp59Hjo9ZxGp2gLxl8Eh8AuL0okSet86K6UyI

Proof that even smart people can sometimes do incredibly stupid things!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 31 March 2020, 12:50:24
That's the theoretical scientist as opposed to the applied scientist ::)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 31 March 2020, 12:53:50
Update on Rainfall Rescue

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science_and_environment
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 31 March 2020, 13:02:36
2nd-Grader Gives 6K Masks, Caps To Hospital Staff: Coronavirus  (https://patch.com/virginia/ashburn/second-grade-boy-collects-6-000-masks-caps-hospital-workers)

Utterly fantastic, and clever, kid (and mom ;))!!!!!

Sniff
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 31 March 2020, 13:31:50
 :) :) :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 31 March 2020, 15:10:10
The biggest problem seems to be the large number of families that cannot afford a laptop at home. 

Maybe a call for help to Bill Gates would help. (He is just across the lake.)  ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 31 March 2020, 16:33:11
The biggest problem seems to be the large number of families that cannot afford a laptop at home. 

Maybe a call for help to Bill Gates would help. (He is just across the lake.)  ;)

His foundation is making major contributions to help on the medical side.

The wealthy school districts are getting laptops to those who need them.  There are efforts underway to help those in the poorer districts, but the need is so great.

Even though there is a great disparity in getting the education process going again, it's probably better than saying education has to stop for everyone.  It's unfair to many initially, but hopefully it won't take too long to get everyone on board and gradually evolve some best practices for teachers to teach remotely.

Unfortunately there are still the students with special needs who just cannot be accommodated remotely.   :'(
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 31 March 2020, 16:43:56
The biggest problem seems to be the large number of families that cannot afford a laptop at home. 

Maybe a call for help to Bill Gates would help. (He is just across the lake.)  ;)

They keep talking about people making on line shops over here - there are plenty of elderly who don't know what that means.
My young friend Louise says that some kids have had to become 'extended families' with other kids so that they can access school work on the computer.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 31 March 2020, 17:02:47
Unfortunately the void between the wealthy and those in poverty continues to widen in all aspects.   :-[  :(
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 01 April 2020, 02:09:54
The problem may not just be hardware but do they have internet access in the house - it isn't free. My beef is that I don't use a smartphone. My mobile phone makes phone calls and sends texts. Unfortunately so many bright ideas being suggested assume that EVERYONE has a smart phone. If I want a chat I use my landline. I don't really fancy social media either, security seems to be a pain and I don't need reminding that I am getting older, wrinklier and less photogenic than ever. Ah well, even go ahead digital dinosaurs can take part in OW.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 01 April 2020, 10:09:37
True dat!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 01 April 2020, 10:56:45
Sheldon Cooper's Social Distancing:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUNkJ2PWkAA90CN?format=jpg&name=small)

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 01 April 2020, 11:29:47
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 01 April 2020, 12:52:50
The problem faced by the kids with no Internet access from home being at a disadvantage has been talked about for years, but not much done to address it.  The situation now is forcing the issue and there are serious efforts being made to get laptops to them, and I do remember seeing something mentioned about trying to address being able to connect to the Internet too once they have them.

I'm hoping that having the state mandate resumption of school regardless of whether every student can participate initially, may result in one way or another getting that access for every student and they will end up better off in the long-run.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 01 April 2020, 15:22:01
Every silver lining has its cloud and this is definitely a thick black one. Let's hope that there is at least a hefty subsidy - assuming that you can find some way of installing it safely in terms of physical isolation. The other possibility is using some sort of mobile signal like the WiFi that you can use in shopping centres and the like. It would probably be slower but might be enough with a cheap tablet. Not ideal but better than nothing.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 01 April 2020, 17:12:13
It's definitely a problem here.  There are large areas of the state that have no cell phone or landline availability.  Those areas are sparsely populated, but students in those areas still need access to classes.  Some districts are mailing coursework to homes.  If a student had a laptop, a CD or thumbdrive could be used to deliver video content.

I'm hoping this will trigger a lot of innovative thinking that might help avoid things like snow days in the future, when students are physically unable to get to school.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 02 April 2020, 13:33:49
-A special WW this week due to events...
Warship Wednesday, April 1, 2020: From Red Rover to Comfort (https://laststandonzombieisland.com/2020/04/01/warship-wednesday-april-1-2020-from-red-rover-to-comfort/)

(https://laststandonzombieisland.files.wordpress.com/2020/04/nh-60500.jpeg)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 02 April 2020, 13:40:39
 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 02 April 2020, 14:53:39
-A special WW this week due to events...
Warship Wednesday, April 1, 2020: From Red Rover to Comfort (https://laststandonzombieisland.com/2020/04/01/warship-wednesday-april-1-2020-from-red-rover-to-comfort/)


'Steamers, such as City of Memphis, were being used as hospital transports to carry casualties upriver, but they lacked necessary sanitary accommodations and medical staffs, and thus were unable to prevent the spread of disease.'

Well that resonates in these days   ::)

Good find Randi  :D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Caro on 02 April 2020, 14:58:23
Wonderful blog. Thanks Randi.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 03 April 2020, 00:09:09
We want to stop pandemics in their tracks.
What if your computer could help scientists fight COVID-19... and future pandemics?
(https://www.ibm.org/OpenPandemics)


(OW BOINC Team - Offer your excess computer capacity for climate model simulation (https://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=2028.0))
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Maikel on 03 April 2020, 02:46:42
Rosetta@home (https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/)

Quote
Help in the fight against COVID-19!

With the recent COVID-19 outbreak, R@h has been used to predict the structure of proteins important to the disease as well as to produce new, stable mini-proteins to be used as potential therapeutics and diagnostics, like the one displayed above which is bound to part of the COVID-19 spike protein.

To help our research, we are happy to announce a new application update, and thanks to the help from the Arm development community, including Rex St. John, Dmitry Moskalchuk, David Tischler, Lloyd Watts, and Sahaj Sarup, we are excited to also include the Linux-ARM platform. With this update we will continue to make protein binders to COVID-19 and related targets using the latest Rosetta source.

Thank you R@h volunteers for your continued support to this project. Your CPU hours are used not only to accurately model the structures of important proteins, but to design new ones as well. Let's band together and fight COVID-19!

(OW BOINC Team - Offer your excess computer capacity for climate model simulation (https://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=2028.0))
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 03 April 2020, 10:53:27
8) 8) 8)

I run both! ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hanibal94 on 03 April 2020, 12:08:37
Thanks Randi and Maikel - I will keep an eye out for the World Community Grid project, and join it as soon as it appears!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 03 April 2020, 13:48:10
The 1,000-Bed Comfort Was Supposed to Aid New York. It Has 20 Patients. (https://nyti.ms/2JCeyDo) :-X
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 03 April 2020, 14:11:23
 ::)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 03 April 2020, 16:16:02
The 1,000-Bed Comfort Was Supposed to Aid New York. It Has 20 Patients. (https://nyti.ms/2JCeyDo) :-X

This story is unbearable. But I'm glad I read it. Thanks Randi :)  It reminds me of the story of the dead eating with 6ft chopsticks. In heaven they were well fed and happy, in hell they were starving. The difference? In heaven they fed the person 6 ft away. In hell they only fed their own self. Sobering.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 04 April 2020, 10:57:44
In the Pittsburgh area (and elsewhere I suspact), small, local companies are adapting and stepping in:
Quote from: https://pge.post-gazette.com/.fullpdfs/2020/04/20200404.pdf
Homewood company to make medical face shields

With support from three local foundations and in partnership with Highmark Health, a Homewood company better known for making sustainable backpacks, has converted its facility and is now producing medical-grade face shields for health care providers.
Ten employees at Day Owl will be involved in production of the shields, with the first shields going out the door Friday, said founder and CEO Ian Rosenberger. They expect to be able to produce 1,000-2,000 shields daily.
In a release, officials said Highmark already has ordered 30,000 shields for its physicians, nurses and other providers in the Allegheny Health Network, but a company spokesperson said the shields -- costing $4.50 each -- will be available "to any hospital that needs them."
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Helen J on 05 April 2020, 09:56:49
Not just small companies - I heard an item on the radio this morning about a CDT (craft, design and technology, I think) teacher who was back in her school workshop and making face shields - 150 in a couple of days with just her and one other woman.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 05 April 2020, 11:59:51
They have prisoners here making masks.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 05 April 2020, 14:15:31
It is a war isn't it? Just that the enemy is so small you can't even see it  :-[ :-\  Thank goodness that there are so many people putting their brains, talents, muscles to the effort to win.  :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 05 April 2020, 17:17:22
Quote from: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/02/backyard-marathon-coronavirus/?utm_campaign=wp_the_optimist&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_optimist
A British man ran a marathon in his 20-foot backyard during the coronavirus lockdown -- and thousands tuned in
James Campbell jogged to the end of his fenced-in yard, turning around when he reached the garden shed. He bounded back to the patio, sneakers pounding a postage stamp-sized patch of grass. He spun around and repeated the loop again. And again. And again.
More than five hours later, he had run a full marathon in his 20-foot backyard.
Campbell, a former world-class competitive javelin thrower from Cheltenham, England, had been feeling bored and restless while under lockdown due to the novel coronavirus. His Wednesday stunt was "literally the most stupid thing I could think of to do' on his 32nd birthday, he told the BBC. But thousands of people tuned in to watch him run around in circles, and by early Thursday morning, he had raised the equivalent of just over $32,000 for the United Kingdom's National Health Service.
...
When his 32nd birthday rolled around on Wednesday, Campbell marked off the 6.4-meter (roughly 21 feet) course with duct tape and set up a table with water bottles and snacks. For the next five hours, he shuttled back and forth across the lawn, unable to pick up much momentum over such a short distance. A rotating panel of commentators gamely tried to provide background narration, noting how the grass was slowly being worn down before switching to talk about roasting chickens for dinner.
Neighbors took turns peeking over the fence and cheering Campbell on, and photographers leaned over to snap pictures. An hour ahead of schedule -- he'd miscalculated how long each lap would take him -- Campbell realized he'd hit 26.2 miles, threw his arms in the air and immediately accepted a beer.
"You've shown everyone what?s possible with good, old-fashioned British determination," one of the commentators told him.
"And stupidity," Campbell responded.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 06 April 2020, 11:50:15
"A British man ran a marathon in his 20-foot backyard during the coronavirus lockdown -- and thousands tuned in"
How inventive people are being :D

Yesterday evening...very noticeable that Her Majesty did not mention Her Government - ahem!!  We don't still lop off heads on Tower Green so Boris is safe for now...as much as he can be safe.  ::) :-[ :-\
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 06 April 2020, 12:08:52
On the front page of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (https://pge.post-gazette.com/.fullpdfs/2020/04/20200406.pdf):
Queen urges resolve in rare address to U.K.; Johnson hospitalized

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...
It was only the fourth time in her 66-year reign that the queen has addressed the British people, apart from her annual Christmas greeting...





Our buses are still running although less frequently. The ones I saw yesterday alternated the bus route with the words "STAY HOME".

Also, according to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette: "Steelers, other local celebrities urge Pittsburghers to stay home"
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 06 April 2020, 15:05:34
We changed off daylight saving time last weekend.
So now with the Corvid-19 lockdowns forcing many to work from home, it has been decided AM and PM will be replaced with

Coffee time and Wine time.

also BC and AC have become

Before Corona and After Corona
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 06 April 2020, 16:00:07
The Scottish Chief Medical Officer had to resign yesterday when she was caught tripping to and fro to her second home against her own country-wide advice.
Beggars belief... :o ::) >:(
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 06 April 2020, 16:10:04
 ::)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 06 April 2020, 16:20:56
Bus frequencies were initially reduced here, but then partially increased again to help with social distancing on the buses.

The state is acknowledging it is unlikely students will be able to return to classrooms before the end of the school year.  So the focus is on establishing distance learning.  Amazon is donating 8,200 laptops to Seattle schools.  Down here in Kent, schools are on Spring Break.  While on break, the district is attempting to identify student homes without computers.  They plan to get devices to the homes and help with setting up WiFi hotspots.  I'm guessing they are able to do this with money saved by reduced maintenance on school buildings, no need to run school buses, and various activities suspended, such as sports and performing arts.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 06 April 2020, 16:34:02
Well good for Amazon - that's some good news - if donated without too many strings. And shifting those monies around to support students makes good sense. I hope that it all works out for them. There must be a lot of kids worrying about how they will keep learning.  :-\
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 07 April 2020, 09:38:59
Quote from: https://pge.post-gazette.com/.fullpdfs/2020/04/20200407.pdf
Group calls for Pittsburghers to light up buildings, homes to thank essential workers

Evelyn Castillo, of Squirrel Hill, hopes that the event spreads to other towns and cities, and that it will be repeated locally.
...
She picked up on the idea from a friend in London -- native Pittsburgher Jenifer Evans -- who participated in such a moment in London, "when everyone came out onto their sidewalks and stoops and clapped for two minutes. She contacted me about it, and I said, 'Why can?t we do that here?'
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 07 April 2020, 09:40:51
People on our street stand on their porches and bang pots for one minute at 7:00 PM.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 07 April 2020, 14:02:35
Here's the cow bells - the pot and wooden spoon might be easier than shaking these around :D

(https://imgur.com/WkFz0k0.png)

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 09 April 2020, 13:41:17
Well, not bad news for everyone ;) (https://twitter.com/atlantahumane/status/1243218832581447683)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 09 April 2020, 13:57:00
In another bit of good news, a temporary hospital set up by the Army in a huge exhibition hall in Seattle is now being dismantled without ever seeing any patients.  It will be moved to another area with more serious needs.

They say that social distancing has been so successful that local hospitals have been able to handle the extra COVID-19 cases.  They think this area is reaching its peak now without the need to hospitalize as many patients as had been anticipated.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 09 April 2020, 14:58:46
Good news! I just hope they don't get over confident :-X
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 09 April 2020, 17:11:43
Good news, indeed.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 12 April 2020, 00:15:54
Quote from: https://nyti.ms/3a1GATB
Some 23,000 ski goggles have been given to hospitals by skiers through a group called Goggles for Docs (https://gogglesfordocs.com/) and are hugely appreciated because they are both very comfortable and very protective.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 12 April 2020, 11:31:22
 :) :) :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 12 April 2020, 17:25:37
It's lovely to pop by here and find that good will is still helping those on the front line, and that at least one front line is looking to be well below the horrors expected. :D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 13 April 2020, 11:18:34
RV owners join coronavirus battle by offering housing to health workers (https://pge.post-gazette.com/.fullpdfs/2020/04/20200413.pdf)
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At a time when recreation is limited to activities inside the home, owners of recreational vehicles across the country have found a new use for their RVs: temporary housing for front-line medical personnel, many of whom fear spreading the novel coronavirus to their spouses and children upon returning home.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 13 April 2020, 12:18:51
RV owners join coronavirus battle by offering housing to health workers (https://pge.post-gazette.com/.fullpdfs/2020/04/20200413.pdf)
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At a time when recreation is limited to activities inside the home, owners of recreational vehicles across the country have found a new use for their RVs: temporary housing for front-line medical personnel, many of whom fear spreading the novel coronavirus to their spouses and children upon returning home.

That's so cool  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 15 April 2020, 10:59:54
Cars lined up for a takeout window at Tim Horton's Donuts in Ontario. Tim's is a staple of Canadian life for many people across this country, but this is taking an addiction to coffee and donuts to an extreme...

(https://i.imgur.com/aQAt4fb.jpg)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 15 April 2020, 18:29:14
That's brilliant Michael :D  I wonder if they are rotating through the day - by the time you get back around the car park it's time for the next dunked-doughnut-and-coffee break  :o ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 19 April 2020, 20:51:32
99-year-old veteran raises $23 million for Britain?s health-care system by walking his garden (https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2020/04/17/99-year-old-veteran-raises-23-million-britains-health-care-system-by-walking-his-garden/?utm_campaign=wp_the_optimist&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_optimist)
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LONDON -- It appears that Capt. Tom Moore is the hero Britain so desperately needs right now.

Last week, the 99-year-old veteran set himself a goal to raise money for Britain's widely cherished but chronically underfunded National Health Service during the deadly coronavirus outbreak. He set up a fundraising page and decided to walk the 82-foot length of his garden back and forth 100 times, using his walker for support.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 20 April 2020, 00:54:52
I hear in Germany they are preparing for the Covin-19 crisis by stocking up with sausage and cheese.

That's the 'Wurst Kase' scenario
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 20 April 2020, 01:20:00
  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: jil on 20 April 2020, 04:15:05
 ;D ::)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 20 April 2020, 09:15:03
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: propriome on 20 April 2020, 09:57:41
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 20 April 2020, 11:29:48
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Thursday Next on 20 April 2020, 15:18:35
99-year-old veteran raises $23 million for Britain?s health-care system by walking his garden (https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2020/04/17/99-year-old-veteran-raises-23-million-britains-health-care-system-by-walking-his-garden/?utm_campaign=wp_the_optimist&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_optimist)
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LONDON -- It appears that Capt. Tom Moore is the hero Britain so desperately needs right now.

Last week, the 99-year-old veteran set himself a goal to raise money for Britain's widely cherished but chronically underfunded National Health Service during the deadly coronavirus outbreak. He set up a fundraising page and decided to walk the 82-foot length of his garden back and forth 100 times, using his walker for support.

I walk one lap of my garden every day - money raised for NHS charities ?0  :(
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hanibal94 on 20 April 2020, 16:17:11
I hear in Germany they are preparing for the Covin-19 crisis by stocking up with sausage and cheese.

That's the 'Wurst Kase' scenario

Actually, from what I've witnessed it's mostly noodles and toilet paper  ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 20 April 2020, 16:30:45
Same downunder.   :o

 ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 20 April 2020, 17:09:43
I keep a reasonable stock of both of the above items and have not had to replenish them yet ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 20 April 2020, 19:42:13
I hear in Germany they are preparing for the Covin-19 crisis by stocking up with sausage and cheese.

That's the 'Wurst Kase' scenario

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Still bread flour and yeast here. You can't get plain baking flour either. You can get self-raising flour (obviously Victoria sponges are out of favour in these straightened times  ;) ).  The flour problem is that the producers are unable to pick up packing more small packets. My guess is that a neigbourhood could probably buy half a ton and then share it.  Me and my neighbours have started to by local organic free range eggs that come in a tray of 30 every two weeks so we've got 4 of us to share them & the cost.  :D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Helen J on 21 April 2020, 07:55:48
I found some self-raising flour today, having seen neither plain nor self-raising for weeks.  I think I arrived at just the right time when a pallet had arrived, and hadn't all disappeared.  I never thought I'd be excited about finding a bag of flour!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: jil on 21 April 2020, 09:17:54
 :)
I've just been shopping and very pleased to find tinned tomatoes, dried chickpeas and lentils, but still no flour (of any kind) or yeast.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hanibal94 on 21 April 2020, 13:14:32
The city of Munich has canceled the Oktoberfest for the first time since WW2.
The Bavarian minister president (equivalent of a state governor in the US) said it was "a big pity", but some Munichlings (dunno what they're really called) are rejoicing at not having to deal with drunkards from around the world filling the subway and emergency rooms and puking everywhere.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 21 April 2020, 13:33:10
It sounds like a good idea to me (for more than one reason), although I suspect that the breweries may feel differently...
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 21 April 2020, 14:38:24
The city of Munich has canceled the Oktoberfest for the first time since WW2.
The Bavarian minister president (equivalent of a state governor in the US) said it was "a big pity", but some Munichlings (dunno what they're really called) are rejoicing at not having to deal with drunkards from around the world filling the subway and emergency rooms and puking everywhere.

I'm with the Munichlings!

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Thursday Next on 21 April 2020, 15:05:47
Well, I may not be raising any funds by walking round my garden, but I have just committed to crocheting 26 flowers in 26 days for the 2.6/26 Challenge.  This is an initiative from a whole lot of charities - they are all really suffering from cancellation of their fundraising activities due to coronavirus.  This coming Sunday would have been the London Marathon so charities are asking their supporters to look for challenges based around the number 26 or 2.6.  This will be a big challenge for me as I am a total beginner at crochet, and having arthritic hands means I am quite slow at this sort of thing.  This is for Cats Protection.  I'm just hoping I haven't bitten off more than I can chew!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 21 April 2020, 15:09:57
I'm sure you will do a purrfect job ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Caro on 21 April 2020, 15:53:16
Good luck Su!

I got plain flour (a whole kilo) at the local supermarket on Monday.
It was the last pack though. :(
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hanibal94 on 21 April 2020, 17:12:57
This coming Sunday would have been the London Marathon so charities are asking their supporters to look for challenges based around the number 26 or 2.6.

How about 2.6 logbooks in 26 days?  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 21 April 2020, 17:38:01
This coming Sunday would have been the London Marathon so charities are asking their supporters to look for challenges based around the number 26 or 2.6.

How about 2.6 logbooks in 26 days?  ;) ;D

And sleep for 26 hours at the end of it?  ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 21 April 2020, 18:27:10
 :) :) :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 24 April 2020, 18:46:30
This is worth watching, just to give you the strength and encouragement you need to carry on...


Warning, some offensive language is beeped out.

You are the true heroes. (https://www.youtube.com/embed/ih2fsHE1Vf8)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 25 April 2020, 14:22:15
Young and middle-aged people, barely sick with covid-19, are dying from strokes (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/24/strokes-coronavirus-young-patients/?utm_campaign=wp_todays_headlines&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_headlines)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 25 April 2020, 14:52:39
Kent has just reopened trails in the city parks.  All facilities and gathering places remain closed, but at least the trails are accessible again.   :D  I look forward to having more interesting places to walk again than the city streets.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Thursday Next on 25 April 2020, 15:37:48
This is worth watching, just to give you the strength and encouragement you need to carry on...


Warning, some offensive language is beeped out.

You are the true heroes. (https://www.youtube.com/embed/ih2fsHE1Vf8)

 ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 25 April 2020, 16:45:17
This is worth watching, just to give you the strength and encouragement you need to carry on...
Warning, some offensive language is beeped out.
You are the true heroes. (https://www.youtube.com/embed/ih2fsHE1Vf8)
Yes - it's nice to hear encouragement, but it's not easy to think of such ease in the face on the terrible poverty that many have been driven into.  :-[ :'(


Young and middle-aged people, barely sick with covid-19, are dying from strokes (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/24/strokes-coronavirus-young-patients/?utm_campaign=wp_todays_headlines&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_headlines)
That was powerful. It's a side of Covid that I had not yet heard of. Spontaneously engendering strokes makes it very frightening.  :o
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: jil on 25 April 2020, 16:53:56
This is worth watching, just to give you the strength and encouragement you need to carry on...


Warning, some offensive language is beeped out.

You are the true heroes. (https://www.youtube.com/embed/ih2fsHE1Vf8)

 ;D  ;D  ;D
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 26 April 2020, 13:09:20
A friend of a friend in Montana said that restaurants are allowed to open on Monday. However, most of the owners say that they are hesitant to risk the health of their employees and are doubtful of making a profit.

Here, a number of places offer take-out.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 26 April 2020, 14:13:24
Most restaurants here have remained open for takeout and many offer free delivery.  Several home delivery services had already started up in this area and the restaurants are now using those third parties to deliver their food.  Business is still down though and several have permanently closed.

I saw a report that while business is down for most restaurants, some are busier than ever.

Most of the cities here have converted parking spaces in front of downtown restaurants into short term parking just long enough to allow picking up takeout food.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Kevin on 26 April 2020, 21:39:21
We've had a very few take-out meals here in Seattle -- a very good one from La Medusa in Columbia City. But of the things that make our extra locked-up lock-down in this household bearable, the family dinners are the best. Since my wife (a professor in the college of nursing at SU) and I are working from home, and kids are home too, we don't have the old weeknight scramble at all. And our immediate extra-nuclear family are also following my rules so we can all be together sometimes, too.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 27 April 2020, 09:13:39
 :) :) :)

Getting together as a family for dinners is important.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: arboggs on 27 April 2020, 11:00:03
Most restaurants are closed near me, but a few have remained open for takeout. They've worked out pretty good systems to protect their employees. A couple places have you call when you arrive so someone can pop out, put your order on a table outside, and go back in to avoid contact. We got bbq the other night and they give you the different parts all in separate sealed containers and the sandwich buns still in the bag from the bakery. When you get home you assemble everything yourself.

That being said, we've mostly been cooking at home and by "we" I mean I have done an absurd amount of cooking from scratch just to give myself something else to think about.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 27 April 2020, 14:09:56
I think that some of the local pubs and restaurants are doing takeaways and organizing for that to be very safe for customers and staff :)  Even the local fish and chip shop has started home deliveries.
I'm cooking at home. Soya mince and this, soya mince and that, soya mince as porridge, veg without soya mince, veg with soya mince. I'm running out of sauce ideas ;)

Best thing - 4 of us have decided to get a share of a regular delivery of organic free range eggs. :D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hanibal94 on 28 April 2020, 13:24:09
The latest from Germany:
- It looks like schools will be gradually reopening, starting with fourth, tenth and twelfth graders as they have important end-of-year exams). Some points from the current concept include:
      - Students will be split up into small groups in different rooms, and maintain safe distance from each other
      - Masks will not be required at first, which has upset teachers as a lot of them are older.
      - Kids with weak immune systems or other medical conditions can continue to stay home
      - In the end, it all depends on the states, but so far they've generally been doing the same things at the same time
- Lufthansa may get partially unprivatized as they really need money, but they don't want political interference like in the old days (Apparently, former politicians would compete for positions in Lufthansa's board of directors so they could fly business or even first class for free).
- Football matches may resume in May/June, but with no spectators (I don't think that's a good idea, as the hardcore fans might just gather outside the stadiums, like they did with the last few games back in March). Currently, some clubs are for it and some are against it.
- The world's largest airplane (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-225_Mriya) recently landed in Leipzig to deliver 10 million facial masks from China.

Yesterday, I was downtown as I had to visit my employer's new office for something. There were noticeably fewer people than usual (but not ghost-town level), and some shops were open but with signs saying only people with masks could enter, and only 1-2 people at a time.
I must admit, I am very grateful to be employed in a larger corporation that sells products, not projects, and has good cash reserves. Lots of startups have gone bust from what I've heard.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 28 April 2020, 13:36:56
Thanks for the update. That's a very impressive airplane!!!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 28 April 2020, 14:03:58
Antonov An 225 Mriya spotted soaring skies (https://www.aerotime.aero/aerotime.team/24723-antonov-an-225-mriya-spotted-soaring-skies)

Antonov An-225 Tasked With COVID-19 Support Flights (https://samchui.com/2020/04/13/antonov-an-225-tasked-with-covid-19-support-flights/)
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Other airlines have also joined the effort, putting empty passenger aircraft into use by converting them into temporary freighters.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 28 April 2020, 15:13:18
Well my heart's full of good feelings about these aircraft. I wish that these events got the coverage that the press can give. :)

Interesting to hear about Germany, hanibal. I'm sympathetic to the teachers...sounds dodgy. They should have really good protection. It will be exhausting making sure that the children, especially the youngest ones, don't come too close.  :-\ :-[
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Kevin on 29 April 2020, 11:33:15
I'm concerned that policy is running ahead of the science. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/28/health/coronavirus-hospital-aerosols.html Guaranteeing the coming second wave will be worse, just like 1918. In the US - there are now more dead than were killed in the Vietnam War.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 29 April 2020, 11:55:35
Ditto :'(
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Kevin on 29 April 2020, 12:31:44
This is a really good article -- https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2020/04/28/the-dr-fauci-of-the-1918-spanish-flu
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 29 April 2020, 13:37:10
Very interesting.  :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 29 April 2020, 13:49:50
Excellent article!

Sadly, despite all the technological advances, humans don't seem to have changed much :-X
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 29 April 2020, 14:07:50
You can't fauc-i-ntelligence on people  ::) :-[
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Kevin on 29 April 2020, 19:14:33
"Now, for hearing it recited, perhaps the unfabulous character of my work will appear less agreeable: but as many as shall wish to see the truth of what has happened, and what will hereafter happen again, according to human nature---the same or pretty nearly so---for such to think it useful will be sufficient.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 29 April 2020, 21:11:25
The History of the Peloponnesian War, Volume 1
By Thucydides (https://books.google.com/books?id=mQsMAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA14&lpg=PA14&dq=%22unfabulous%22)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Kevin on 30 April 2020, 09:30:24
The History of the Peloponnesian War, Volume 1
By Thucydides (https://books.google.com/books?id=mQsMAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA14&lpg=PA14&dq=%22unfabulous%22)

Ha, that was quick. 1858 ed. (Dale). 400 BC.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 30 April 2020, 09:34:08
One of the really great books, and one that everyone should read!

When I was going into the Barren Lands with a small mineral exploration team I thought I should get a book to read. I had no  money to speak of, having just finished third year university, so I could afford just one book. When we were in Winnipeg, en route to Churchill, Manitoba, Brian and I went into a book store. Brian was another student on our four man team. For no reason, other than the year was 1969, I chose The Histories by Publius Cornelius Tacitus, which was an account of the Year of Four Emperors, i.e. 69 AD, exactly 1900 years earlier. We would be in the Barren Lands for almost four months, so I wanted a book that looked interesting and which would take some time to read. The Histories was all that and more. It was the perfect book for reading in the Barren Lands. Each day I would read a few pages, and I would tell Brian about all that happened, and we would discuss the day's events as if we were actually living that year. Four emperors, a plague, a famine, two insurrections. A lot was happening.

Anyway, it awoke in me a love for reading these old classics, of which The History of the Peloponnesian War was one of the best.  One of the really great books.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hanibal94 on 30 April 2020, 12:37:15
My stepfather (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_P%C3%A4%C3%A4bo) has been working on improved COVID-19 tests - ones that are supposed to be much faster than what's currently available.
Last I heard, he and his group finally got them ready for a field trial, and have gotten in touch with a nearby senior home about trying it out there. I hope it works.



Unfortunately, we have been forced to cancel our planned summer vacation in New Jersey, because it doesn't look like the situation there will get better any time soon.
This really sucks as I was hoping to see my grandparents again, especially since Grandpa has had multiple health problems already and could die pretty much any time.
At least other relatives are doing well - two aunts, an uncle and a cousin have all had COVID-19, but they all survived it, and my other grandmother is still healthy (the senior home where she lives is still in full lockdown).

Currently, we're planning to go to Sweden in the summer instead, as the virus hasn't been so bad there and we would just be in the countryside, never coming into contact with anyone else except for the grocery store and other absolute necessities.
But that depends on how things go in the coming weeks. It's all so frustratingly unpredictable!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 30 April 2020, 13:12:13
My stepfather (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_P%C3%A4%C3%A4bo) has been working on improved COVID-19 tests - ones that are supposed to be much faster than what's currently available.
Last I heard, he and his group finally got them ready for a field trial, and have gotten in touch with a nearby senior home about trying it out there. I hope it works.
8) 8) 8) 8) 8)


Sorry about your spoiled vacation/family visit plans. Hopefully you can see everyone next year...
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 30 April 2020, 13:38:59
I second Rani on all her comments. Too bad about your trip to NJ, really cool about your dad. Maybe Sweden!!!  ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 30 April 2020, 13:59:11
Yes, my spring travel plans with my brother were cancelled and the autumn ones are now questionable. But your family seem to have had their tussles with Covid. However, so far,so good. I hope you get to see your grandfather again, I don't care how good the technology is, it isn;t the same and I don't think that one of those hugs with a carebot will feel the same as the real thing either.  Sweden seems more relaxed about social activities at the moment but I'm not sure about international travel. Good luck with plans for the future, I'm glad you are enjoying your new job.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 30 April 2020, 15:51:16
My fingers are crossed, hanibal, that you get to go to NJ next year and that all the folks are still there with hugs waiting for you.  :) :) :)

I'm very impressed by your step father's role in fighting the grim covid19  :D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 30 April 2020, 16:08:27
I am hoping to be able to keep the November trip I booked last year to the UK for my Stepmothers 90th birthday.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 30 April 2020, 16:17:40
Fingers crossed here!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Kevin on 30 April 2020, 16:51:26
One of the really great books, and one that everyone should read!

When I was going into the Barren Lands with a small mineral exploration team I thought I should get a book to read. I had no  money to speak of, having just finished third year university, so I could afford just one book. When we were in Winnipeg, en route to Churchill, Manitoba, Brian and I went into a book store. Brian was another student on our four man team. For no reason, other than the year was 1969, I chose The Histories by Publius Cornelius Tacitus, which was an account of the Year of Four Emperors, i.e. 69 AD, exactly 1900 years earlier. We would be in the Barren Lands for almost four months, so I wanted a book that looked interesting and which would take some time to read. The Histories was all that and more. It was the perfect book for reading in the Barren Lands. Each day I would read a few pages, and I would tell Brian about all that happened, and we would discuss the day's events as if we were actually living that year. Four emperors, a plague, a famine, two insurrections. A lot was happening.

Anyway, it awoke in me a love for reading these old classics, of which The History of the Peloponnesian War was one of the best.  One of the really great books.

That's something in common -- I read it on a winter expedition in the Weddell Sea. Though the Barren Lands might be worse - we at least had whales and penguins around all the time. The whales would hang out in the patch of open water behind the ship.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 30 April 2020, 19:58:56
That's something in common -- I read it on a winter expedition in the Weddell Sea. Though the Barren Lands might be worse - we at least had whales and penguins around all the time. The whales would hang out in the patch of open water behind the ship.

We had three wolves living about 300 metres from our tent. They were very shy, but we were aware of them following us around from a distance. We saw one wolverine about a kilometre west of us heading south, one Barren Land Grizzly followed us for about half a kilometre before we lost him in a jumble of large rocks. There was a juvenile polar bear spotted near our camp by a geologist who dropped in for a couple of hours. We saw a few hundred caribou who migrated to the east over a period of a few weeks.

The bears and wolverine were a concern. However, they were nothing compared to the hordes of mosquitoes, deer flies, horse flies and black flies that came out once the snow left the land.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 04 May 2020, 15:59:55
In Alaska town, calls to shut down fishing season amid coronavirus fears (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-alaska-town-calls-to-shut-down-fishing-season-amid-coronavirus-fears/2020/05/03/163a6356-8b33-11ea-8ac1-bfb250876b7a_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_todays_headlines&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_headlines)

People there remember the 1918/1919 flu epidemic.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hanibal94 on 06 May 2020, 13:29:10
Germany has decided to let football matches resume this month, but with out spectators.
It looks like the first matches (there are nine matchdays left) will take place on the 15th or 22nd, the last will take place around the end of June.
But there are a lot of conditions - all players and club employees have to undergo a short quarantine first and take regular tests. There have been a handful of positive results among the clubs.
This is the first major football league to resume play - France has canceled all of their national leagues, men and women, other countries are still debating.
Personally, I think this a bad idea. There almost certainly will be a second wave, and I'm sure fans will gather outside stadiums like they did before the lockdown.

Otherwise, the following changes to current restrictions have been made:
- All businesses can now reopen (before, only places with less than 800 square meters were allowed), but have to follow rules such as only letting a limited number of people in at once
- Students should return to schools in phases
- Large events, such as concerts and festivals, will stay banned until August 31st at least

Also, playgrounds seem to be open again. I noticed that while running in the park.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 06 May 2020, 18:24:29
B. C. is starting to loosen up restrictions here. The Premier is speaking on the radio, but I'm choosing to close the door between me and the radio. I'm listening to Peggy Lee singing some of the old standards instead.

Mind you, not much will change for me, except one of these days the gym will open and I won't have to do my exercises at home.  ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 07 May 2020, 02:45:26
I must admit that my pet nightmare is that they decide to unlock for all healthy 'youngsters' and keep the rest in even stricter lockdown until 'conditions improve'. That should leave me in effectively solitary confinement for an indefinite period - the human rights people are saying this is inhumane for murderers and terrorists. I suppose we do have better access to electronic type communications and (hopefully) choice of food and clothing but even less interaction with real people when we live alone. At the moment I can go out for local exercise, do my shopping (carefully) and use my garden. I hate the thought of only the latter being allowed for an indefinite period. Realistically mass vaccination won't be out until next year at best  although some people will be treated in the trial phase.

At the moment exercise is quite enjoyable, many people nod greetings or say good morning etc. A few people chat for a couple of minutes (at suitable distance) - I met a 92 year old out for a 2 mile walk the other day! Once the youngsters start going back to their old lives we are potentially back to groups of teenagers (not a problem round here once the schools closed), and younger people even more inclined to go round with their smartphones or headsets expecting us to dodge them. At the moment the main problem is adult cyclists using pavements because they don't want to cycle on the roads. I can understand it if accompanied by young children but solo with the reduced traffic!! Some are also pretty inconsiderate on shared paths, riding at touring speeds without using bells. Vary few of the shared paths round here are segregated and modern bikes are very quiet which makes them quite dangerous when they overtake. Since my various TJRs I find it difficult to walk forwards while looking behind me so the feeling of constantly having to look over my shoulder can quite interfere with my enjoyment of the walk. Still, the weather remains dry, yesterday was hot, and the outlook seems to be dry, mild weather but cloudy once the cold snap at the weekend is over.

Oh well, 'they' will get on with whatever. The rest will have to cope and hope that conditions improve. It's the intermittent things - a friend has trouble with her hot water, not categorised as an emergency, my boiler check is due over the summer, what about the car? (I need it for shopping since delivery slots are like gold dust unless you want the equivalent of a food bank delivery with little personal choice). Still the birds are singing, the flowers are coming out and I'm not confined to barracks yet.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Thursday Next on 07 May 2020, 16:05:27
Yes, I feel much the same.  There has been mixed messaging from our government about to what extent restrictions will be lifted in the near future and a lot of people seem to be thinking it will soon all be over.  But this morning I had a text from the NHS telling me that, as I'm classed in the "highly vulnerable" group, I must remain at home until at least 30 June!  My main worry is that I have a very elderly cat and I can't get her to the vet for her routine check-ups.  But at least I have the garden, which makes a huge difference.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 07 May 2020, 16:41:30
My sympathy to your cat - my rheumatologist deferred my check up for the second time to somewhere in October. I am merely isolated and vulnerable so I have been out for walks as well as pottering in garden.

My fridge freezer lapsed into terminal decrepitude (it's about 8!!), Yes I could buy one on-line, yes they would deliver it TO MY FRONT DOOR and no they wouldn't collect and recycle the old one.. So I've made do with a mini fridge. This was also bought on line from Argos - Click and Collect in local Sainsbury's. Fine, except they only had supermarket trolleys. Nice Argos man did me a favour and came round the counter and put it in my trolley. Got to the car, well it was only 15kg so suitcase weight BUT I'm not tall enough to lift it over the side of the trolley. Fortunately a nice youngish 6 footish man came to my rescue and even offered to return the trolley. I then managed to get it into the house and up the stairs to the spare bedroom. Not ideal but nowhere in kitchen or near socket in living room. Hey ho shopping at least weekly rather than 12-14 day interval with milk top up from local convenience store. Food boxes don't appeal - white bread, golden delicious apples and cornflakes on the sample photograph but delivery slots like gold dust round here. Apparently there is a local outlet for fruit and veg who will make up your order and dump the bag in the car for you so must investigate.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 07 May 2020, 17:25:35
I feel terrible. I'm enjoying having time away from a pressured desk. I can work in peace and quiet. I get tea breaks out on the lawns at shouting distance from the neighbours. We seem to have cracked online deliveries, between 5 houses we've managed to get one delivery a week across 5 different shops.
Even the milkman is back to delivering veg boxes again. This really is the soft south.  :-\ 
My neighbour's cat was poorly the other day and I worried about how he'd get tended too. Luckily it turned out to be a passing sickness. Phew  :-[
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 07 May 2020, 18:11:13
Don't feel guilty! My rheumatics are reasonably stable (to me anyway) so apart from a 'And how are you getting on?' then donating an armful of blood to check that my 'markers' haven't gone haywire nothing much happens. He's a nice young man though with a similar outlook to me so I usually leave him feeling positive and at ease - good placebo response there.

Up till this week I thought I had got the lockdown under reasonable control. Early shopping, just before 9am. and supermarket fairly quiet, free parking for up to 3 hours so leave car and go for 'permitted exercise' down by the river which gives a change of view and different flowers and birds. Rest of time walk from village, we now have bluebells and cowslips as well as the spring leaves. Ash barely breaking although oak in full leaf for a while so my have dry summer.

If shopping options fail then a couple of younger neighbours have offered shopping retrieval and other people have said to contact them. So, the day to day stuff is under control, Billy comes and cuts the grass and I am doing lots of knitting, reading, and messing about on the computer. So I'm just feeling that my fridge freezer could have had the decency of failing over the winter or hanging on till thisgs loosen up and wondering why Argos hasn't got the sort of trolleys available in B & Q., Ikea and  Curry's I don't know.

Still, I'm not feeling quite so guilty about my lack of spring cleaning (highly desirable) but still wish that some of the surplus unearthed during said process could continue to go to recycling centres or charity shops.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hanibal94 on 09 May 2020, 03:41:31
My stepfather has gotten the nearby senior's home to agree to testing. He said they were gonna test them every day, I think they might have started yesterday already. I will ask him.

Also, it looks like my stepmother will be able to come back to Leipzig at last - she has been stuck in Lyon for almost two months now because her institute stupidly refused to let people work remotely, so she ended up going back to France just before the lockdown started.
But now that things are getting relaxed, she might be able to return.
However, she and my dad will have to self-quarantine for two whole weeks, which is not so nice. At least they have two balconies with a great view, and a cat (Animal shelters in the US are seeing way more adoptions than usual!).

Some other interesting tidbits of news I've heard:
- Private pilots are taking advantage of the lockdown to land at major airports (They like to "collect" airports like stamps), which would normally be impossible or at least too expensive
- Some major cities are building more bike paths and taking other measures to encourage cycling, to cut down on air pollution even after the crisis. For example, Paris is building 650 km of bike paths.
- Some anti-vaxers are changing their minds because they've pretty much been forced to face the objective reality: Germs kill!
- Leatherback sea turtles are building a lot more nests than usual, since there's no tourists on the beaches of Florida and Thailand
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 09 May 2020, 09:30:08
This article was interesting, and along the lines of Hanibal's list of how things have changed:

https://thetyee.ca/News/2020/05/07/COVID-Vancouver-Changes/
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Kevin on 09 May 2020, 11:30:16
Seattle is also going to permanently close to thru traffic those now designated Stay Healthy Streets.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Thursday Next on 09 May 2020, 15:26:28
I was interested to see that animal adoptions are increasing in the US and Canada - in the UK all the animal charities had to stop rehoming when lockdown was brought in.  Cats Protection are just trialling a "hands-free" adoption system.  And they are only taking animals in if it's an emergency.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 09 May 2020, 16:33:19
Cycling is getting more popular round here. Unfortunately some adults, unaccompanied by young children, seem to regard it as their right to cycle on the footpath. Since the footpath isn't wide enough to 'safely' pass a fellow pedestrian this is very anti-social especially when they seem to expect the pedestrian to move out of their way. If electric scooters become de rigeur then pedestrians like me will be hounded from the streets since I gather they are forbidden to travel on the roads anyway so have to use the footpath. The main road through the village was laid out in the horse and cart days and the only through traffic permitted consists of buses and emergency vehicles. But many of the houses seem to host 2-4 cars so traffic can get quite busy at times and you can't have two cars and a bike across the road. Funny, when I used to cycle, you could cope with the cars it was only buses that caused problems and there weren't as many of those anyway.

The road layouts round here won't accommodate lots more cyclists, lots more pedestrians and the remaining cars, vans, lorries and buses and there isn't really any scope for widening pathways or carriage ways which are essentially single anyway. No doubt we will grumble and manage as usual. It's strange, a few months ago you were encouraged to pack onto buses and trains to cut down carbon emissions, now they are virus spreaders and only to be used if you have no alternative.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 09 May 2020, 17:45:06
Yes...
Buses are running here, but the bus number/destination display alternates with the message STAY HOME save lives.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 09 May 2020, 18:46:54
My neighbour was walking on a narrow path with her baby in a buggy and some runner expected her to move into the road whilst he ran past. That afternoon me and the neighbour had a training session - how to be assertive by shouting at runners who think they own the pavement.
I once did that whilst walking with Tom Paulin in Oxford. Tom turned, harangued the runner, then gave me a telling off too. I never forgot that moment.  ;) 8)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 09 May 2020, 20:56:55
 ;D ;D ;D

Fortunately in the neighbourhood I live, there are very few cars and there is often a grass verge 3-4 metres wide between the sidewalk and road. Sometimes I will even walk on the road just to make an approaching walker feel more comfortable. There are so few cars that it is not an issue.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 10 May 2020, 03:20:36
I have a personal code. If safe to do so then I move for buggies and families with young children but I expect them to take account of the traffic too and wait until there is a gap. I always move for wheelchairs (not common round my way) or visually impaired but in the the latter case I inform them verbally of my plans. If I meet other adults then I move if I am facing the traffic and hope they move if not. Bikes, I try to hold my position but we have some paths connecting roads which have no where to go. The bikes NEVER wait even if you are half way down when they arrive. In many cases they do not stop even when traffic is approaching but push past you on the path.

When I was at Cambridge we had to paint numbers on our bikes and register them at the local Police Station (supposedly to assist return of stolen bikes ?!!!). I'm beginning to think that some such should be required for cycles and they should carry 3rd party insurance so that when they mow down people like me on pavements we can at least get our expenses back and the NHS can claim for our treatment.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Maikel on 10 May 2020, 04:20:25
What you need are Dutch laws. :)

For starters, though, we are a cycling nation, so car drivers are used to cyclists, and educated about their safety during driver's license lessons.
For increased safety we have thousands kilometres of dedicated cycling paths, I believe it's closing in on 40,000 km, which is a lot considering the size of our little country.

Our laws are also in favour of protecting the vulnerable participants in traffic, i.e. pedestrians and cyclist.
E.g. if a motorist is in crash involving a cyclist he's 100% responsible for the damages.
Even if the motorist can prove he was not to blame, he's still responsible for 50% of the cyclist's damages.
It makes motorists more careful around cyclists on the road. :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 10 May 2020, 05:46:48
Yes, I haven't been to the Netherlands for a few years now but as I remember your cyclists were fairly well behaved. Some of ours are great but we have lycra racers on bikes as well as boy racers in cars. The lycra racers assume that the bike gives them priority over vehicle traffic, pedestrians or whoever. You also have the advantage of no hills (worth speaking of) and your planners were sensible after the war. There is an A road bypass near to my brother, dual carriageway, verge, dedicated cycle path on each side, verge, footpath and some cyclists STILL cycle on the carriageway.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 10 May 2020, 15:49:37
1,000-year-old mill starts up again to keep homes in the U.K. supplied with flour (https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2020/05/06/1000-year-old-mill-starts-up-again-keep-homes-uk-supplied-with-flour/?utm_campaign=wp_the_optimist&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_optimist)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Thursday Next on 10 May 2020, 15:50:29
Cycling is getting more popular round here. Unfortunately some adults, unaccompanied by young children, seem to regard it as their right to cycle on the footpath. Since the footpath isn't wide enough to 'safely' pass a fellow pedestrian this is very anti-social especially when they seem to expect the pedestrian to move out of their way. If electric scooters become de rigeur then pedestrians like me will be hounded from the streets since I gather they are forbidden to travel on the roads anyway so have to use the footpath. The main road through the village was laid out in the horse and cart days and the only through traffic permitted consists of buses and emergency vehicles. But many of the houses seem to host 2-4 cars so traffic can get quite busy at times and you can't have two cars and a bike across the road. Funny, when I used to cycle, you could cope with the cars it was only buses that caused problems and there weren't as many of those anyway.

The road layouts round here won't accommodate lots more cyclists, lots more pedestrians and the remaining cars, vans, lorries and buses and there isn't really any scope for widening pathways or carriage ways which are essentially single anyway. No doubt we will grumble and manage as usual. It's strange, a few months ago you were encouraged to pack onto buses and trains to cut down carbon emissions, now they are virus spreaders and only to be used if you have no alternative.

As things stand at the moment, electric scooters are illegal both on the roads and the pavements!  They can only legally be used on private land.  Obviously the law will have to be changed if the government is considering promoting this form of transport.  So it may be that they will end up on the roads.  I would love to find a more environmentally friendly form of transport for short distances rather than having to take the car everywhere, and I'm actually hoping that an electric scooter could be an answer for me.  I think it might be less painful than walking is for me, and I've never been able to ride a bike.  But I really used to love my scooter as a child - and I'm always reading that you should take up things you enjoyed as a child, because you'll probably enjoy them as an adult too.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: jil on 10 May 2020, 16:51:20
1,000-year-old mill starts up again to keep homes in the U.K. supplied with flour (https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2020/05/06/1000-year-old-mill-starts-up-again-keep-homes-uk-supplied-with-flour/?utm_campaign=wp_the_optimist&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_optimist)
:) Still not seen any in the shops
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 10 May 2020, 17:40:32
1,000-year-old mill starts up again to keep homes in the U.K. supplied with flour (https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2020/05/06/1000-year-old-mill-starts-up-again-keep-homes-uk-supplied-with-flour/?utm_campaign=wp_the_optimist&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_optimist)
:) Still not seen any in the shops

Wish I lived near Sturminster. If the flour tastes half as good as the mill looks, it'll be very good indeed :D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 11 May 2020, 14:44:00
I'm trying very hard to get my head around this little lot: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/our-plan-to-rebuild-the-uk-governments-covid-19-recovery-strategy/our-plan-to-rebuild-the-uk-governments-covid-19-recovery-strategy
but concentration levels seem to keep failing  :-[ :-\ :o ::)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 11 May 2020, 15:03:59
I gave up when I didn't see OW volunteers in the list of essential people.  ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Thursday Next on 11 May 2020, 15:15:23
I'm trying very hard to get my head around this little lot: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/our-plan-to-rebuild-the-uk-governments-covid-19-recovery-strategy/our-plan-to-rebuild-the-uk-governments-covid-19-recovery-strategy
but concentration levels seem to keep failing  :-[ :-\ :o ::)

Basically, Joan, the Prime Minister told you yesterday at 7pm that you had to go back to work this morning.  Then at 10.00am this morning, the Foreign Secretary told you that you didn't have to go back to work today, but you do have to go back on Wednesday.  You no longer have to "Stay At Home", you now have to "Stay Alert" instead, but you should also stay at home at the same time as you have to go to work.  That's if you live in England.  If you live in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland, you don't have to stay alert at all.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Thursday Next on 11 May 2020, 15:21:56
I forgot to mention that you mustn't use your car to get to work, on environmental grounds.  You mustn't use public transport either because of the risk of catching the virus.  You have to walk, cycle or use an electric scooter.  It is illegal to use an electric scooter, so you have to walk or cycle.  You live 45 miles from your place of work?  Well, you really should have thought of that before - that's your problem!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 11 May 2020, 15:25:56
Now I understand why OW Volunteers weren't included in the list of essential people.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 11 May 2020, 15:28:29
I forgot to mention that you mustn't use your car to get to work, on environmental grounds.  You mustn't use public transport either because of the risk of catching the virus.  You have to walk, cycle or use an electric scooter.  It is illegal to use an electric scooter, so you have to walk or cycle.  You live 45 miles from your place of work?  Well, you really should have thought of that before - that's your problem!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Kevin on 11 May 2020, 17:50:52
As an American visitor in Cambridge last year, all I can say is biking there was either blissful (on designated rural pathways like around Grantchester) or utterly terrifying (on or near any kind of road).
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 11 May 2020, 18:34:33
As an American visitor in Cambridge last year, all I can say is biking there was either blissful (on designated rural pathways like around Grantchester) or utterly terrifying (on or near any kind of road).

If you come to Oxford...it'll be just as bad  ::) :o  :-[
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 12 May 2020, 01:31:14
Try cycling round Cambridge in a gown as I had to in the evenings in my first year. I won't suggest you wear a mini-skirt as well, the only advantage was that they didn't fly up in the wind (you were forbidden to wear trousers with a gown if you were female). There were surprisingly few serious accidents caused by gowns but plenty of spills. I must admit that after a few weeks living in Girton my level of fitness got quite high (2.7 miles from Great St Mary's, the University Church, so about 3 miles from the science buildings and up the only local hill!)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 12 May 2020, 09:17:42
 :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 12 May 2020, 18:11:37
Try cycling round Cambridge in a gown as I had to in the evenings in my first year. I won't suggest you wear a mini-skirt as well, the only advantage was that they didn't fly up in the wind (you were forbidden to wear trousers with a gown if you were female). There were surprisingly few serious accidents caused by gowns but plenty of spills. I must admit that after a few weeks living in Girton my level of fitness got quite high (2.7 miles from Great St Mary's, the University Church, so about 3 miles from the science buildings and up the only local hill!)

I am picturing images of Father Brown on the bike.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 12 May 2020, 19:23:47
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hanibal94 on 13 May 2020, 14:35:57
My stepmom has finally made it back to Germany after almost two months in France!
She and my dad are now in quarantine for two weeks, but methinks they will be too busy enjoying each other's company (and the cat's) to mind, at least for a while.

Also, it looks like we will be able to go to Sweden in the summer, as the EU has recently announced they intend to reopen borders on June 15th, which is just one week before school ends for my younger siblings. That would be really fun (Although we could end up staying longer than expected if a second wave hits and borders get closed again).

Tomorrow, I will be going to the bank to cash my Economic Impact Payment - being a millennial in a very advanced country, this is the first time in my life that I have ever cashed a check. Normally, I do all my banking online.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 13 May 2020, 15:18:13
Yes, checks, or as we call them, cheques.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 13 May 2020, 15:25:50
Quote from: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/climate/coronavirus-weather-monitoring.html
Coronavirus Could Disrupt Weather Forecasting
The amount of atmospheric data routinely gathered by commercial airliners has dropped sharply as a result of the coronavirus, the World Meteorological Organization announced.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Caro on 13 May 2020, 16:41:05
Tomorrow, I will be going to the bank to cash my Economic Impact Payment - being a millennial in a very advanced country, this is the first time in my life that I have ever cashed a check. Normally, I do all my banking online.

Today, for the first time, I deposited a cheque/check by banking app.
Go me.  ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: CHommel on 13 May 2020, 17:21:09
So proud of you, Caro!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 13 May 2020, 18:14:48
Well done hanibal and Caro!  :D

The bank account for our management company at the Close has 4 people able to access it. Consequently we cannot use an electronic payment system for incoming cheques. Doh!  ::)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 13 May 2020, 18:17:07
Tomorrow, I will be going to the bank to cash my Economic Impact Payment - being a millennial in a very advanced country, this is the first time in my life that I have ever cashed a check. Normally, I do all my banking online.

Today, for the first time, I deposited a cheque/check by banking app.
Go me.  ;)

Well done! I don't have a smart phone, so it's easier to drop one into the local bank machine. Mind you, I hardly ever see one anymore, nearly everything goes in and out digitally, except cash.  ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Kevin on 13 May 2020, 20:54:53
This: https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2020/05/rime-ancient-mariner-was-made-2020/611602
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hanibal94 on 14 May 2020, 10:27:07
I went downtown and had a human do it, as I would have had no idea what to do on my own.
The good news is that it was accepted without a problem.
The bad news is that it will take up to 6 weeks before I get the money  :P

Ah well, I probably shouldn't complain. Many people are having much bigger problems right now.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 14 May 2020, 11:32:12
It's very strange you have to wait. Sometimes you have to wait a day or maybe two for a cheque to clear, but I've never heard of it taking longer than that.   :o
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 14 May 2020, 12:16:10
I scan in checks with my desktop computer and the money is immediately available in my account as soon as I hit submit.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 14 May 2020, 15:21:11
Hanibal, was it a foreign currency cheque? These always take longer but 6 weeks seems a bit excessive. I haven't done one of those for a few years but I have a vague recollection of 5 or 6 working days.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hanibal94 on 14 May 2020, 16:45:05
Yes, it was foreign currency - it was the US Economic Impact Payment of 1200 $ to every US citizen.
And I suspect there's red tape from Germany and the US to deal with, and perhaps fewer people are working due to COVID-19.
Or perhaps German banks simply take a long time because they hardly ever process checks anymore these days. I have no idea. Just gotta wait.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hanibal94 on 15 May 2020, 14:40:31
Finally managed to ask my stepfather about his corona tests - they've been doing them in the senior's home for a couple days now, all negative so far.
It's a spit-based test that takes just 30 minutes.

My workplace has partially reopened - we can go into the office now, but we have to wear masks when not at our desks, frequently wash hands, and use a place-booking app to make sure only a few people are in the office at a time.
I think I will continue working from home, at least for a while. I like being able to take breaks in the garden, and I want to let my colleagues get a break from their kids if they need it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 15 May 2020, 14:50:38
Quote.
I think I will continue working from home, at least for a while. I like being able to take breaks in the garden, and I want to let my colleagues get a break from their kids if they need it.

That is very thoughtful of you Hanibal.
There will be many people in that situation.

My daughter and partner work from home and they feel they are more productive. Each day they get dressed for work and at 5 or 6pm they get changed to casual clothes
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Kevin on 15 May 2020, 16:16:44
Every day I put on my robe, and then lounge-arounds, and then some other clothes (usually).
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 15 May 2020, 19:16:24
I got furloughed today. I am a free woman with far too much energy to sit and knit. I know!! I'll spend even more time on OW.  Yep - that should keep me out of trouble  8) 8) 8)

No idea when furlough will end, it's booked to 30th June in the first instance, but could be cancelled at any day regardless. I feel very sorry for those unable to get a treat like this.  :-[

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Thursday Next on 16 May 2020, 15:35:10
There's nothing wrong with sitting and knitting!  I am now 21 flowers into my 26-flower knit/crochet marathon and have raised 340GBP for Cats Protection in the process!  :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 16 May 2020, 16:25:04
 :) :) :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 16 May 2020, 17:54:04
There's nothing wrong with sitting and knitting!  I am now 21 flowers into my 26-flower knit/crochet marathon and have raised ?340 for Cats Protection in the process!  :)
I am rightly corrected!  That's an impressive piece of work and I'm glad that you've managed to collect a good sum for the Cat's Protection League. My semi-adopted cat buddy Oscar, sat beside me now, gives you the paw's up for that :D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 21 May 2020, 11:37:33
(https://i.imgur.com/R1Wpcds.png)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Helen J on 21 May 2020, 13:33:12
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: jil on 21 May 2020, 14:08:03
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 21 May 2020, 19:03:44
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 28 May 2020, 17:51:53
Wastewater could provide up to a week of warning for a COVID-19 spike (https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-wastewater-sewage-warning-monitoring?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=latest-newsletter-v2&utm_source=Latest_Headlines&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Latest_Headlines)
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Finding coronavirus RNA in sewage may signal that people in a community are infected
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 28 May 2020, 18:05:40
 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: jil on 29 May 2020, 06:00:48
That sounds like a great idea. While wandering past the sewage works recently (it's really good for bird watching!), I was wondering what happened to all the virus we were (hopefully) washing off our hands.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 09 June 2020, 13:05:47
Not coronavirus, but ...
The Influenza Epidemic of 1918 (https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/i/influenza/the-influenza-epidemic-of-1918-by-carla-r-morrisey-rn-bsn.html)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 09 June 2020, 13:39:11
Very interesting.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 09 June 2020, 16:14:02
Yes indeed. I think the Brits have more folk memory of it. I remember the Hong Kong flu of the 1950s - school exams were postponed. There was a smaller, but nasty one, in the late 60s. That one killed young men, I remember one of my medical student housemates really upset because she had been shadowing a young doctor on Monday and he died on the Friday. I had both, the 2nd one fairly mildly. Hong Kong flu was a vicious bug though but the death rate wasn't as bad as the Spanish flu.  In those days there were fewer vaccines, specific drugs etc and I think people accepted illness as a more 'normal' event in life. In 1953 we had epidemics of polio, diphtheria and scarlet fever as well as the usual TB (minimum 3 months in a Sanatorium, usually far from home, if your x-rays showed calcifications but just social distancing if you had only fluid). From Easter '53 to Easter '54 I was at school for just 6 weeks. This was unusually bad even for me. Judging by the psychiatrist interviewed on the radio today I should have felt the educational and social effects for years, if not permanently. Social effects, maybe, educational effects, short lived if any - library books, dad and bbc schools broadcasts seemed to fill the gaps quite nicely. I slotted into the class without many problems on my return.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 09 June 2020, 16:43:19
Thank you! It is interesting hearing from someone who lived through an epidemic.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 09 June 2020, 18:54:47
I remember the scares of polio and scarlet fever in the 50s. I had a friend who spent months in a sanatorium because of TB. I don't remember schools being shut down at all, other than for an afternoon when J.F.K. was assassinated. I guess we were a tougher lot than you.  ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 09 June 2020, 19:19:13
I remember that bad flu in the 60s.  There were a little over 30 students in my class.   Absences began occurring when the flu hit.  Then I came down with it. I don't remember how long I was home sick, but the first day when I returned there were only six of us in the class.  We had all had the flu and recovered.  Gradually everyone returned.  School was never cancelled.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 10 June 2020, 02:15:02
Oh, the schools didn't shut, classes were reorganised sometimes but it was felt unrealistic to have exams when a lot of the pupils were 'going down with it', off or just back after some time away.

I got two coronation mugs (in 1953 for the non-UK), one from school the other from the isolation hospital where I had scarlet fever. I watched the coronation on the first TV I had seen while I was there. A local TV shop lent us one for a few days. I managed to get scarlet fever twice! So 2 lots of 3 weeks in hospital and a week in 'segregation' at home. Then a couple more admissions to deal with the side effects of the second, really vicious, scarlet fever. In the second one I picked up the 'sub-clinical' TB so 3 months at home avoiding close contacts with people outside the family. Hence the 'poor' school attendance.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 10 June 2020, 09:42:01
Wow, poor you! That sounds like quite an ordeal. All that just for an extra coronation mug!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hanibal94 on 10 June 2020, 10:39:09
Thanks for sharing your experiences, everyone - as a member of a (much) younger generation, I found them very interesting to read. Really made me think about stuff.
I fear this won't be the last pandemic during my lifetime... who knows what could come next?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 10 June 2020, 11:04:09
In retrospect I think it was worse for my parents, I was just a bit fed up and wanted life to go back to pre-illness. I can't recall ever thinking I wouldn't get better. Mind you, that isolation hospital regime could have come out of a Dickens novel. When I think of the wailing over kids not being allowed to see their parents in the current outbreak I feel like reminding people that my generation survived it, mainly because we had to, and being fairly soon after the war society's attitude was to 'just get over it'. Most of us did! I won't say it was easy - your parents could talk to you through a window 2 or three times a week (they got wet if it rained) but no mobile phones, tablets and no hospital TV or radio. The second hospital (where I got TB thanks to an idiot GP not telling anyone another patient's parents were infected) the regime was much better -  child centred with better food, visiting every day and lovely nurses.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 11 June 2020, 06:17:43
The longest I missed school for was the Great Winter of 62 to 63. The snow was so heavy that we couldn't get out of the house easily. I best recall the heavy silence that snow brings, everything was muffled. I also remember the small birds picking off the tops of the milk bottles to get to the cream beneath (in the days when the cream could rise to the top) in the hope of any food. Just as that started me and my sister came down with a 6 week session of measles. We were both washed out by it. Mum was busy replacing hot water bottles a lot of the day and used to bring up a bucket of hot coals to the bedroom grate (it was too small to set a fire in). It was so cold that the hoarfrost on the inside of the windows didn't melt.  Funny how that is such a strong and happy memory.  :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 11 June 2020, 08:39:24
Yes, I remember that winter - I stayed cold but healthy. The snow that fell on Christmas Eve (not that thick) was still on the school playground in March. The problem for many of my friends who lived out in the country was that their water supply froze. All the dairy farms were having water for the cows delivered by tanker. Scraping the inside of the bedroom windows was a regular chore in winter but that year the living room windows frosted when you drew the curtains even with the coal fire lit. Outdoor games were cancelled for the whole term but the rest of school continued with most people getting in although time keeping could be a bit erratic.

One of my friends, who was at Girton, said that there was talk of allowing the female students to wear trousers with their gowns. (Gowns had to be worn in the street in the evening so cycling in to town, about 3 miles, wearing skirts was a demonstration of fortitude.) Myth says that ice crystals had formed in the port served in the Senior Common Room and the male crusties wondered about the female students.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 14 June 2020, 16:57:17
The way the coronavirus messes with smell hints at how it affects the brain (https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-19-coronavirus-sense-smell-brain-nerve-cells?utm_source=Editors_Picks&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=editorspicks061420)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 17 June 2020, 20:47:45
I gave myself a hair cut...
I couldn't stand having it hanging in my face and on my neck in this warm weather.
Doesn't look too bad -- although I can't see the back ;)

As of a week or two ago, hair salons are permitted to open here for appointments. I'm content to leave the appointments to people who really care how they look and/or are willing to take the risk.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 17 June 2020, 21:25:54
It looks fine to me!  ;D  The rakish angle at the back gives you a certain joie de vivre!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 18 June 2020, 02:27:01
Growing your hair, I've done it a couple of times, goes through a bad length when it just looks messy. Then it gets long enough to 'do' something with. Tie back, chignon, or whatever. Then it suddenly becomes a length where you have options and looking after it becomes so easy. Different styles for different occasions, less sensitive if you put off washing it for a day, and much less expensive in terms of hairdressing bills because after a while you can bring it over your shoulders and straighten up  the ends in front of a mirror.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 18 June 2020, 05:07:07
Thank goodness for being a man. Most of us do not have to go through all that torture.   ::)   ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 18 June 2020, 08:48:52
Dear old Ron next door decided to by a pair of hair clippers and have a go himself as he's in BIG lockdown from here to eternity. And yet - he still hasn't quite had the bravery to do it  ;D  I'm putting my hair up most of the time, unless we are having tea outside in a northerly blast, then hair's great to cover your ears with ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 18 June 2020, 12:15:45
I finally got a haircut a few days ago.  We are in phase 1.5 of reopening, which allowed barber shops to reopen.  However, it is by appointment only and they can only have up to 25% of their usual capacity.  If you arrive early, you have to wait in your car and they call you when they are ready for you.  They rearranged all of the chairs so that they are far apart with dividers between them.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Thursday Next on 18 June 2020, 14:47:44
I have decided that I will try to trim my fringe during lockdown and just let the rest of it grow - it's not as if I see anyone, really!  I've set the bar for the fringe as not looking like Dave Hill out of Slade.  The rest of the hair is getting a bit unruly and I've bought some hair slides for when I start going out again, to keep my hair off my face as otherwise I'll be touching my face all the time!

By the way, if anyone has any tips as to how to stop your glasses steaming up when you're wearing a face mask, I'd be very grateful!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 18 June 2020, 14:52:02
I had three surgeries on each eye, so no more glasses for me, except for reading, and who needs a mask to read.  ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 18 June 2020, 15:04:10
I have very fine hair and hair slides (aka barrettes) slide right out.
Even rubber bands don't stay very well ::)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 18 June 2020, 15:05:37
By the way, if anyone has any tips as to how to stop your glasses steaming up when you're wearing a face mask, I'd be very grateful!

See if you can get a mask that has a small metal insert at the top that can be bent to conform to the shape of the top of your nose.  It's not perfect, but definitely lessens the fogging.

I recently had a visit with my ophthalmologist and noticed that she used tape across the top of the mask and on her face, creating a seal.  I haven't tried that, but it seems like it would be uncomfortable and not very practicable if you only need the mask briefly.  I would also be concerned that it would be irritating to the skin if done very often.

I've also seen a recommendation to put a layer of soap on the lenses.  That will prevent fogging.  However, in my experience, the soap layer distorts my vision more than the fogging.  It may be that a particular type of soap would work well though.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 18 June 2020, 15:19:21
I've also heard that taking your specs off before donning the mask, squeezing the metal bit and putting the glasses over the top helps. I have seen, mainly in winter though, impregnated wipes for keeping windscreens free of condensation. Never tried them but worth thinking about although if you have coated lenses I'd check whether they affect the coating.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Thursday Next on 18 June 2020, 16:02:34
I have very fine hair and hair slides (aka barrettes) slide right out.
Even rubber bands don't stay very well ::)

I have very fine hair too and I know exactly what you mean about the barrettes.  I have not worn hair slides since my school days, but I have found the technology has improved since then.  I have bought "snap clips" and they stay in much, much better.

Thanks for the tips about the face masks and glasses - I'm not sure there is a solution to this problem as so many people seem to complain about it.  Heaven knows how surgeons manage!  And I have had cataract surgery so although I still need glasses because I have astigmatism, I can actually see safely without my glasses.  I would just prefer to be wearing them when I go out as I think they probably provide some protection for your eyes.  I have some swimming goggles, maybe that's the answer!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 18 June 2020, 16:27:27
I've also heard that taking your specs off before donning the mask, squeezing the metal bit and putting the glasses over the top helps. I have seen, mainly in winter though, impregnated wipes for keeping windscreens free of condensation. Never tried them but worth thinking about although if you have coated lenses I'd check whether they affect the coating.

That reminds me of a product I bought many years ago for car windows called, "Fog Begone".  You would spray it inside the window and wipe with a cloth.  It worked very well without any distortion.  I'd like to give it a try if I could find it again, but your caution about coated lenses concerns me as I have coatings on my lenses.  I think I'll give my Optician a call so see what they recommend.  A chemical intended for use in a car may not be good to have too close to the eyes.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 18 June 2020, 17:12:30
I talked to the optician and she said that most of the products that prevent fogging will gradually create a coating that becomes abrasive and will damage coated eyeglasses.  She said she was aware of only one product that works well without causing any problems.  It's called "Defog It".  It's available here in the U.S.; don't know whether it or something similar is available elsewhere.

It costs more than the other anti-fogging products, but trivial compared to the cost of replacing my glasses.

She said it was a wipe that could be used up to 20 or so times.  I found it online and saw that the same product is available as a bottle of the same liquid that can be applied to the lens and then wiped.  That is far less expensive than the pre-moistened wipes, but I assume also safe since it's the same liquid.

I'm going to order it and give it a try.

The wipes may be more convenient to use when away from home though.

For those of you who do not need to worry about coatings on their glasses, there appear to be many products available online that are supposed to work well and cost less.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 18 June 2020, 18:29:51
Any one tried a bit of double sided sticky tape and a thin roll of cotton wool stuck across the top of your mask to damp down the condensation problem?  :-\
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Helen J on 21 June 2020, 05:00:50
Hair driving me mad at the moment; it wasn't doing too badly, but it's reached a stage where it's all over the place.  And I also have the fine hair problem, and struggle to get anything to stay in it.

On the face mask and glasses problem; I'm having to wear a mask five days a week when I go to hospital, and have found that a home made cloth mask fogs my glasses rather less than the more medical face masks which I expect have more plastic in them.  And I agree with putting the mask on first, and then glasses over the top.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 21 June 2020, 13:26:13
I was able to purchase "Defog It" and it's a big help with preventing my glasses from fogging.

I wanted to test it the first day, but before applying it I put on a mask and glasses, but no fogging.  The humidity was too low.  So I couldn't conduct a valid test.

Yesterday was much more humid and my glasses fogged immediately when I put on the mask.  Then I applied a few drops of the solution and wiped with the cloth they provide.  Now there was no fogging at all.  I then went grocery shopping.  After I was at the store for about a half hour, I started getting a little fogging now and then, but nothing like before.  So the product does seem to work and my optician says it is safe for lenses with special coatings.

There may be similar products outside the U.S.  The box says it contains,  "Fluoroaliphatic oxyethelene adduct,  Propylene glycol  butyl ether, 2-(2-butoxyethoxy) ethanol."  It is available online here through several sites.  I just checked the Amazon UK site and see that the cloth wipes are available, but not the little bottles.  However, the price was roughly five times what it costs on the Amazon US site.

I plan to go on a Volkssport walk today and will test with the cloth wipe version of the product.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hanibal94 on 23 June 2020, 15:19:54
We won't be going to Sweden for vacation after all - the situation there is simply awful  :'(
Instead, we'll be staying in Leipzig this summer. But we are planning to do short trips later in the year - Bavaria in September, and Switzerland in October.

This is a real pity, as I was looking forward to Sweden very much. But at least we can do stuff in Leipzig.

(We actually decided this a while ago, BTW - I just didn't want to interrupt the discussion on wearing glasses with masks)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 23 June 2020, 15:27:35
Sorry to hear that, but relieved you are not taking the risk.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 23 June 2020, 16:21:20
I would tell you to come here. Vancouver Island went a month with no cases, until one appeared on Friday.  ::) We have to watch out, though, for those Washington State people spreading their diseases far and wide!   ;D ;D ;D

The ferry from Port Angeles to Sidney still isn't running, which helps, but people from Vancouver keep coming here and bringing their diseases.  ::)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 23 June 2020, 17:18:10
We're all shocked and sorry to hear about the problems in Germany, hanibal.  :'(  It's so sad that the wretched virus has managed to get going again. I'm hoping that we are not changing too quickly. A vaccination cannot come quickly enough, especially for poorer countries.  :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 23 June 2020, 17:44:17
I would tell you to come here. Vancouver Island went a month with no cases, until one appeared on Friday.  ::) We have to watch out, though, for those Washington State people spreading their diseases far and wide!   ;D ;D ;D

The ferry from Port Angeles to Sidney still isn't running, which helps, but people from Vancouver keep coming here and bringing their diseases.  ::)

Washington State has started opening up again, but King County, which includes Seattle and my home town, had an immediate increase in cases after going to "Phase 2".  So there is discussion of moving the county back, closing down some of the businesses that were recently allowed to reopen.

By the way, I tested the cloth wipe version of "Defog It".  It's a little bit easier than the liquid version to use when away from home, but did not seem to be effective for as long as the liquid bottle version.  While not perfect, both versions do help decrease the fogging and I feel are worth the cost and effort to use them.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 24 June 2020, 19:05:55
A very timely entry on the Bear...

Seattle
7 November, 1918

https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/23696536/content/dc-metro/rg-026/585454/0002/Bear-b360/Bear-b360_0484.JPG

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Inoculated with 1/2 c.c. of prophylactic vaccine for Spanish Influenza, and precautions taken against infection.



08 November

https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/23696536/content/dc-metro/rg-026/585454/0002/Bear-b360/Bear-b360_0486.JPG

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Crew received second and final inoculation against Spanish Influenza
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Thursday Next on 25 June 2020, 12:48:21
Well, that's interesting - I've never heard about a vaccine for Spanish Flu.  Did it work?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 25 June 2020, 13:36:26
I have no idea. Maybe someone else does...
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 25 June 2020, 13:45:38
Nor have I - I think that the concept of a virus was not known, or not well known, at that time. Did they have microscopes capable of espying a virus?  :-\
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 25 June 2020, 13:53:37
Don't know if they understood viruses, but:
Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox#Eradication
The English physician Edward Jenner demonstrated the effectiveness of cowpox to protect humans from smallpox in 1796, after which various attempts were made to eliminate smallpox on a regional scale.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 25 June 2020, 14:00:22
Well, that's interesting - I've never heard about a vaccine for Spanish Flu.  Did it work?

:-\
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
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Vaccines were also developed, but as these were based on bacteria and not the actual virus, they could only help with secondary infections.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Thursday Next on 25 June 2020, 14:45:54
Oh, well let's hope they do better in the search for a COVID-19 vaccine  :(
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 25 June 2020, 15:20:12
I was half listening to a radio program this morning and they mentioned that Alexander Fleming was working on a Spanish flu vaccine when he accidentally discovered penicillin. I think it was in 'The Long View' radio 4 at 1.45pm. It will probably be on Sounds if anyone wants to chase it up. They were considering Spanish flu and thinking about the similarities and differences to Covid, more sociologically than 'virologically'. Spanish flu was apparently viewed as a bacterial disease, viruses not having been discovered.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 28 June 2020, 12:21:53
"Dippy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dippy_%28statue%29)" is regularly seen wearing a scarf in the winter.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--JlaZ7eKAb4/VNBQqMv6rlI/AAAAAAAAcf8/F2N6od7TLGc/s720/Dippy.JPG)

~ ~ ~ ~ ~

When I went by on Friday, he was wearing a mask!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbdEWaDXYAYVhCI?format=jpg&name=small) (https://twitter.com/dippy_the_dino)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: studentforever on 28 June 2020, 14:34:47
Perhaps he's been listening to Nancy Pelosi

 ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 28 June 2020, 16:20:56
Went to the dentist Friday....
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AvastMH on 28 June 2020, 17:07:57
Love Dippy's mask  ;D ;D ;D

You went to the dentist Randi - or did you mean Dippy?  :-\  Either way - hope it went well  :D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 28 June 2020, 17:15:47
I went to the dentist ;D
So far, no coronavirus symptoms.

I don't think Dippy could get in the door!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hanibal94 on 29 June 2020, 07:14:41
He'd have to stick his head through the window  ;) :D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 29 June 2020, 08:59:37
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 29 June 2020, 11:57:18
Why simple cloth masks without valves are better at fighting the spread of covid-19 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/why-simple-cloth-masks-without-valves-are-better-at-fighting-the-spread-of-covid-19/2020/06/26/c445fca6-b574-11ea-aca5-ebb63d27e1ff_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_todays_headlines&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_headlines)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 20 July 2020, 17:41:22
I want to revisit the glasses fogging issue with masks.  I don't get out much where masks are needed so it's taken a while to test various approaches.

In an earlier post I mentioned a defogging product recommended by my optician.  I have used it several times now and am somewhat disappointed.  It did stop the fogging, however it only lasted for a half hour or so before my glasses would start to fog again.  This was with the mask under the bottom of my glasses.

Placing my glasses on top of the mask is not a good option for me because that causes my glasses to be farther away from my eyes than intended for my prescription.  The result is that the resulting distortion is nearly as bad as the fogging.

I have found something that with somewhat limited testing has worked great.  Someone in an early post on this topic mentioned taping rolled up tissue along the inside top of the mask to create a vapor barrier.  I tried this on a recent hike during hot weather and there was no fogging at all even though I had my glasses on the inside of the mask.  I intentionally tried this on my worst case mask that does not have a wire over the nose to help it conform to the shape of my nose.  This mask had been causing immediate uncontrollable fogging no matter what I did.  The tissue inside the top entirely stopped the fogging.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Randi on 20 July 2020, 18:02:09
Maybe:
Any one tried a bit of double sided sticky tape and a thin roll of cotton wool stuck across the top of your mask to damp down the condensation problem?  :-\
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: ggordon on 20 July 2020, 19:03:53
Maybe:
Any one tried a bit of double sided sticky tape and a thin roll of cotton wool stuck across the top of your mask to damp down the condensation problem?  :-\

Yes, that was the post.  Thank you for the suggestion Joan.  I used facial tissue and instead of double sided tape used single sided and rolled it around into a loop with the sticky side out so that it in effect works like double sided.  I expected the facial tissue to become saturated and stop working, but that was not the case.   :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Michael on 20 July 2020, 19:43:19
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Post by: Randi on 25 July 2020, 18:46:40
I've gotten very good at pushing crosswalk buttons with my elbows ;)
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Post by: Michael on 25 July 2020, 20:50:26
Because of the Corona virus, the City of Victoria converted all theirs to cycle automatically.  ;)

Years ago, I was on a traffic workshop. The two experts giving the two day workshop said that any city the makes a pedestrian push a crosswalk button shows their priorities are not with pedestrians.
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Post by: ggordon on 26 July 2020, 02:41:08
I'm jealous.  Many of the crosswalk buttons here don't do anything.  It's quite dangerous.  You wait a few minutes and realize the light will never change no matter how many times you push the button.  So you end up trying to run across with near misses from the heavy traffic.  The traffic won't slow down because they have a continuous green light.  We've told the city, they act surprised, say they'll look into it, but they never get fixed.  There is no legal way to cross the streets at these intersections where there is frequent pedestrian traffic, but rarely any vehicle traffic trying to cross going the same direction.  But even when a car comes along to trigger the light to change, the pedestrian light still continues to say wait.
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Post by: studentforever on 26 July 2020, 05:30:24
That reminds me of a visit to Cairo some years ago. The guide said that driving in Cairo required 3 'goods', good nerves, good brakes and good luck. When it came to crossing roads he advised joining a hovering local, the fact that the local was still mobile was a good indication of either good luck or good judgement. I managed to avoid it, the one time I took an independent taxi I followed the advice of the hotel receptionist and insisted on being dropped 'at the door' not across the road although she did say that the staff did look every so often to see if a guest was stranded.
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Post by: AvastMH on 26 July 2020, 08:04:05
Glad to hear that the sticky tape/cotton wool idea worked Gordon. Good idea about simply rolling the sticky tape up :D

I remember going to Manchester some years ago and was horrified that many sets of traffic lights had no pedestrian lights at all. I think that those have been modified now. Around here folks are using the elbow technique. It just works, the buttons are rather small. With this being the UK you can take your chance to cross at any time that you like, I don't think we have any j-walking rules at all.  Then again traffic voluntarily stops at zebra crossings (well - most of the time  ::) ).

My sister dropped me a note to say that it's mostly burly unpleasant looking youths that are now shopping without masks (despite this now being illegal). We're trying to fathom how to challenge them without getting beaten up for it.  The shops won't police things, the local constabulary doesn't stand a chance  :-[ :-\
A flyer for the local undertaker pressed into their hands? Suggestions gratefully accepted!  8)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Thursday Next on 26 July 2020, 14:09:39
I have bought a gadget to press buttons - there are loads available online.  It also has a hook for door handles.  Obviously you need to disinfect it when you get back home.  As I am shielding I haven't really had a chance to try it out yet.

I don't know how we deal with people that ignore the mask-wearing rules.  I can't understand how it became this personal freedom issue.  After all, we have all kinds of laws in place to protect public health.  Eventually it will be deemed socially unacceptable, like drink-driving, but we don't have that much time.

I know that one or two football clubs and rock bands now have face masks as merchandise.  I think it will help if wearing a mask could become cool.
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Post by: Michael on 26 July 2020, 15:38:15
I know that one or two football clubs and rock bands now have face masks as merchandise.  I think it will help if wearing a mask could become cool.

I read that it was in one of the countries in Asia, maybe it was Japan? Some masks had become fashion items. Maybe the football clubs and rock bands are on to something. Maybe people in the country to the south of me could have red masks with MAGA on them. That might help.   ;D Or have some with a fashion label such as Prada and a price tag of $850.  ;)