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Add your questions and comments to this topic.
If you need help transcribing see:
Concord -- Reference: Transcription Example and Log Description (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3319.0)
Guides for US logs: drawing entry boxes, transcribing and editing (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3078.0)
Getting Your Sea Legs (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=4.0)
The Logs and FAQ (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=7.0)
Handwriting Help (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=8.0)
Technical Support (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=14.0)
If you are interested in the names of crew members see:
Concord -- Crew Lists (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3750.0)
List of oddities in the logs:
- Page
partly obscured due to badly placed inserts: Description
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3337.msg103773#msg103773),
solution.
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3337.msg103788#msg103788)
Affects logs around 1904 and 1906 - 07.
- Extra barometer
readings: Transcribe as well.
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3337.msg115789#msg115789)
Affects a few logs in 1907 and April/May 1908.
- Extra wind
directions and cloud codes: Transcribe in one entry.
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3337.msg106019#msg106019)
Affects logs around 1908.
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In progress ;)
This is an example of a Concord day with an insert.
For
a transcription of a similar log without inserts see Albatross (1890)
-- Discussion: Questions and Comments
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3965.msg73389#msg73389).
Example of what a weather page might look like when transcribing the last line of data:
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(http://imageshack.us/a/img856/1345/tu07.jpg)
Example of what an events page insert might look like after the data has been transcribed:
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(http://imageshack.us/a/img689/9314/1vwh.jpg)
The date is required (it will be linked to the weather page when processed).
You may transcribe more or less other information than is shown here.
Example of what a weather page might look like when the insert page has been turned:
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(http://imageshack.us/a/img59/4788/7qb3.jpg)
(http://[b]The location is recommended but optional. There is no need to transcribe anything else.[/b])
Example of what an events page, that was hidden by an insert, might look like after the data has been transcribed:
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(http://imageshack.us/a/img546/8928/y31w.jpg)
(http://The
date is required if you transcribe any information. The date is
recommended but optional if nothing else is transcribed.)
You may transcribe more information than is shown here.
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Hi Stuart,
Bertololette is Bertolette ( 'list of officers')
Passed Asst Engineer E R Gruman USN., should have 'Greeman'
K. ~uaney = Quaney
Thought I'd cracked the W~h paymaster bit - but nope.
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Ensigns Joseph Strauss & Levi C. Bertololette, USN.,
I found myself wondering if their families were involved in making blue jeans. ;)
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Thanks Joan.
Changed.
I think (CH) could be 'Coal Heaver'
Could someone check that the bits in the brackets (pds) and (2cf) are the correct letters.
Ta.
(NO, I am NOT going to list the provisions) ;D
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;D
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(NO, I am NOT going to list the provisions) ;D
Spoil sport ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Will check letters later if no-one beats me to it! :D
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Craig, your picture is refusing to show on the page itself. I
can open it right-click/new-tab, but it won't open for my computer in
place.
???
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Janet - do you mean here: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3319.msg53751#msg53751 ?
I get it OK, but I seem to remember having problems with it yesterday :-\
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It doesn't show when I open it with IE or Chrome but it does when I use Firefox. ???
The image at the bottom of the Concord page opens in all browsers and the codes are the same for both images.
Any suggestions?
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Testing
(http://www.navsource.org/archives/12/120900303.jpg)
This one works OK. Thanks, Janet.
(http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h71000/h71781.jpg)
I
think the problem may be that the navsource.org/12/ page is very slow
to open. Perhaps the IE and Chrome are not as patient as Firefox. Can
you recommend a picture of the Concord from another source?
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I went to the Naval History and Heritage Command site and searched
"Concord" http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/index.html . These
came up. Right-click/new-tab on image gives the picture only.
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/n10000/n11225c.htm
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h82000/h82133c.htm
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/events/spanam/ships/gbt-lg.htm went to
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h71000/h71781.jpg
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-c/pg3.htm - all 3 from Spanish-American War
http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/c12/concord-ii.htm picture at the end of the write-up
and no pics, but the original ship-action reports submitted after Manilla Bay
http://www.history.navy.mil/docs/spanam/manila5.htm
These on page 1 of 10, there may be more goodies on the other 9 pages. :)
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FYI, I just found a site listing US medals given to the navy and
marines. Among those that list the recipients by name, is the
Concord for the Battle of Manila.
For whole list of crew, see http://www.history.navy.mil/medals/dewey.htm
Concord's crew is listed http://www.history.navy.mil/medals/dewey/dewey5.htm
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FYI,
I just found a site listing US medals given to the navy and
marines. Among those that list the recipients by name, is the
Concord for the Battle of Manila.
For whole list of crew, see http://www.history.navy.mil/medals/dewey.htm
Concord's crew is listed http://www.history.navy.mil/medals/dewey/dewey5.htm
I get 'page not available', tried both Chrome and IE.
Do you have to subscribe to this service?
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FYI,
I just found a site listing US medals given to the navy and
marines. Among those that list the recipients by name, is the
Concord for the Battle of Manila.
For whole list of crew, see http://www.history.navy.mil/medals/dewey.htm
Concord's crew is listed http://www.history.navy.mil/medals/dewey/dewey5.htm
I get 'page not available', tried both Chrome and IE.
Do you have to subscribe to this service?
I am able to get both pages - Firefox.
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FYI,
I just found a site listing US medals given to the navy and
marines. Among those that list the recipients by name, is the
Concord for the Battle of Manila.
For whole list of crew, see http://www.history.navy.mil/medals/dewey.htm
Concord's crew is listed http://www.history.navy.mil/medals/dewey/dewey5.htm
I get 'page not available', tried both Chrome and IE.
Do you have to subscribe to this service?
No,
this is one of the Navy's public pages. I checked and that page
is up and running. And if you can get into any of the DANFS pages,
that's this page's home page as well.
http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/index.html
If DANFS is blocked to you, might the problem be something clogging the send to Australia?
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Hello,
I found M. J. Flynn (CH) placed under
sentry's charge and then confined to cells on 4 March, 1891. He is not
listed in the excellent list of crew members given above.
Michael
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See: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3396.msg54567#msg54567
We're still getting organized here ;)
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Hello,
I found M. J. Flynn (CH) placed under sentry's charge and then
confined to cells on 4 March, 1891. He is not listed in the excellent
list of crew members given above.
Michael
Thanks Michael.
M.J.
Flynn is on the list. (he got sent to jail in April) but I have noticed
names cropping up on the Misc pages which are not listed anywhere
before.
Keep them coming.
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13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 crew declared deserters, 3 4 discharged at their own request in just 4 months and 1 sent to prison.
What is going on on this ship? (NO comments about me being Captain please. :-[ )
I did not have one deserter on my last ship. (Being at sea helped I guess) ;)
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30 May 1891.
We finally get to sea after 4 month in N.Y. :) :) :)
New York to Hampton Roads.
Lets see them go AWOL now. :P
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That NEVER happens in a well run crew - factory or ship. Something is clearly wrong.
I'm curious as to what will happen while at sea.
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The log indicated anaroid readings from 11:00AM onward 02/06/1891
No mention which was being used before.
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Standard procedure has been to put an event note there. Thanks for posting it, I'll send that to Philip and Kevin.
Kevin & Philip:
We're
notifying the climatologists because they've labeled changing to
aneroid bar. while continuing to record attached temps. But it was
also a very interesting and tragic day. I'm also asking, do you
mind if the insert is assembled off line and the whole transcribed from
that instead of splitting each line?
without insert blocking page script:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_117_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_118_1.jpg
with insert blocking page script:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_118_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_117_1.jpg
insert sliced in 2, needs to be read from assembled pieces seen on
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_117_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_117_1.jpg
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02/06/1891
RIP Moses Wright (ch) and Jos Fletcher (2ch). Died when a boiler steam pipe burst.
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I have just entered the transcript in full from 10:35 to meridian,
12:03&12:05 stopped engines and 12:10 on to Fletchers life
being pronounced extinct at the end of the page.
Have to go out now. back in a few hours.
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Please do put the whole inset transcriptions on the page they would have been on if they had fitted.
Before
I took up climate science I used to work on safety assessments for
(nuclear) power stations, and a main steam-line break was one of the
most serious accidents we modelled. Tragedy though it was, I reckon the
Concord did well - I'm amazed that more people were not killed or
injured.
The barometer change is also notable - it happens before
the accident, but after they have done their exercises and fired their
guns. It could well be that they broke their mercury barometer doing
this - they wouldn't be the first. Perhaps on another day it would have
rated an entry in the log.
It's also clear that at least one of
their barometers is badly calibrated (probably the replacement
(aneroid)) - the measurements switch by 0.5 inches when they change
instrument. I'd expect a mercury barometer to be about 0.1 inches higher
than a good aneroid at 68F, but 0.5 inches is a lot. I'll be interested
to see when they switch again - presumably they'll be back in port for a
refit soon.
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Here is a paper from Int'l Journal of Naval History that describes
the experience of enlisted navy personnel in the 'new navy' of the 1890s
- and explores why the desertion rate was so high.
http://www.ijnhonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Byers.pdf
The desertion rate in the 1890s was 15%.
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Nice find. Thanks.
It is amazing how good 'spin doctors' can talk people into anything.
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use your browser finder for "Jonathan" - it takes you right to the lin. ;D
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_007_1.jpg
Line 10
I would like to keep this post JUST for the crew list or it gets buried again.
Would you please delete your entries and use the discussion.
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Done.
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LOVED 'Jack of the Dust' of whom they had one! Fab job description - suspect job itself was horrid... ::) :-\
Missed that one. where was it?
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Here
is a paper from Int'l Journal of Naval History that describes the
experience of enlisted navy personnel in the 'new navy' of the 1890s -
and explores why the desertion rate was so high.
http://www.ijnhonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Byers.pdf
The desertion rate in the 1890s was 15%.
Interesting! - haven't read it all yet though. Perhaps Stuart's lot were the 15% - only joking!
J
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http://www.history.navy.mil/books/callahan/reg-usn-b.htm
Brooks, Jonathan.
Assistant
Paymaster (Spanish-American War), 10 June, 1898. Honorably discharged 9
March, 1899. Assistant Paymaster (regular Navy), 22 May, 1899.
http://dunhamwilcox.net/bios/williams.htm
Mary
Elizabeth, b. Aug. 9, 1851; m. Jan. 23, 1882, Jonathan Brooks, Asst.
Paymaster U. S. N. Res. Indian Head Proving Station, Md.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FA0615F73F5F12738DDDA80894D1405B808DF1D3
Paymaster 1910
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http://www.history.navy.mil/books/callahan/reg-usn-b.htm
Brooks, Jonathan.
Assistant
Paymaster (Spanish-American War), 10 June, 1898. Honorably discharged 9
March, 1899. Assistant Paymaster (regular Navy), 22 May, 1899.
http://dunhamwilcox.net/bios/williams.htm
Mary
Elizabeth, b. Aug. 9, 1851; m. Jan. 23, 1882, Jonathan Brooks, Asst.
Paymaster U. S. N. Res. Indian Head Proving Station, Md.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FA0615F73F5F12738DDDA80894D1405B808DF1D3
Paymaster 1910
Well bless my cotton socks - what a find! All we need now is his photo!
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Here
is a paper from Int'l Journal of Naval History that describes the
experience of enlisted navy personnel in the 'new navy' of the 1890s -
and explores why the desertion rate was so high.
http://www.ijnhonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Byers.pdf
The desertion rate in the 1890s was 15%.
Interesting! - haven't read it all yet though. Perhaps Stuart's lot were the 15% - only joking!
J
29 Deserters in 5 months don't know the % but it must be high.
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You might just be balancing out the average for all the other arctic
ships we looked at with a very small percentage of desertions.
That 15% is average, and our other ships have been much better than
that. Makes me still wonder at Concord.
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I even went on the Pioneer for a while and they still deserted. :-[
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How on earth did they find out that you were coming? ;D
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;D
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We moved out of New York today (26 July 1891). See animation
We stopped At anchor off Fishers Island, L.I. Sound :(
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I even went on the Pioneer for a while and they still deserted. :-[
I don't want to cast aspersions - but they seem to have stopped now you've moved on .... ::)
And at the moment we're in port so they could if they wanted to.
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Ahhhhhh. Thats Snot funy.
Helen, you are obviously a nicer Captain than I am. ;)
At least Concord crew has stopped deserting now we are on a short trip up river to L.I. Sound and back.
To
make up for that, they dropped 45 fathoms of anchor chain (with the
anchor attached) down to Davy Jones Locker, found it again and
hooked it back up again. They are getting better. ;D
Back to Pioneer in a couple of weeks when this logbook finishes, that should reduce the crew.
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With any luck we'll be on the move again by then, so they won't have the option ....
Not
sure I'm a particularly nice Captain, though; after all, all the ones
who deserted during your transcribing on Pioneer were under my captaincy
- so you could even reckon it's my fault if you wanted to feel better
about it ... ::)
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E. Moore (cqm) returned on board drunk and making disrespectful gestures at officer, disrated of deck.
Does anybody know what 'disrated of deck' means?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_187_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_187_1.jpg)
Mid page.
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Dictionary says:
disrate [dɪsˈreɪt] vb (Military) (tr) Naval to punish (an officer) by lowering him in rank
but that doesn't explain deck.
A
couple of lines further down it mentions him being released from
confinement. I wonder if the 'of deck' part meant that he was forcibly
removed from the deck?
CQM - CHIEF QUARTERMASTER (CHIEF PETTY OFFICER) - http://www.cem.va.gov/CEM/docs/abbreviations/Ranks_Navy.pdf
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I think he was already doing time for some other punishment.
I had the disrate, the of desk stumpt me.
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Here is an interesting article on Navy ratings:
http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq46-1.htm (some info on pay rates at
the turn of the century too).
As for disrated of deck - given the
responsibilities of CQM I'd *guess* they busted him to more menial
tasks (kinda like KP duty -- KP = Kitchen Patrol on land). That is they
took his navigating and deck-supervisory role away -- in effect kicking
him off the quarterDECK).
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If his problem was drunkeness on the job, that sounds like good safety procedures.
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May 30, 1891. Finally moving out of New York City and on to Hampton Roads, Virginia.
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;D
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June 16, 1891- Leaving Norfolk and returning to New York.
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:P
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol012of040/vol012of040_009_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol012of040/vol012of040_009_1.jpg)
8am to Meridian.
Halfway down, Punishments, GHR Taylor, ? in lucky bag. (also what is a lucky bag)
TIA
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Similar to D.H.Ahrens above him:
GHR Taylor (lds), clothes in lucky bag.
Improper
storage of belongings? Whatever, it's worse than wearing dirty
clothes because Ahrens' failure to scrub his clothes cost only 2 hours
extra duty. Poor Taylor caught 4 extra hours.
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Lucky_Bag: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3209.msg52131#msg52131 ;)
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So, simply too careless to keep them stowed at all! ;D
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The Lucky Bag is a practice still followed on some school ships. We
had a 'gear adrift' locker for such things - one could retrieve items at
any time, but on field day (cleaning day) anything left there would be
auctioned for a song (or other performance) with preference for the
actual owner. Socks not so much but foulies commanded a high price,
especially on northbound voyages.
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Spent half an hour trying to figure out a word in this log:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_170_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_170_1.jpg)
In the 8-meridian shift there is the following sentence
Tested magazine and shell room flood ~~~~~, did not test ~~~~~ of ammunition room on account of inacessibility.
I
just couldn't interpret what those few letters were meant to be, but
some creative googling later I learned there was a thing called a flood-cock
in any room with ordinance. It's a valve that let them flood the room
in case of fire. I do wish the logger had been more careful about
closing his o's though.
In the same shift there is another mention I couldn't let go of
Received in construction dept. one pedestal for the support of the "minute man".
I
figured "minute man" was another old piece of naval equipment I hadn't
heard of. Turns out it's actually a smaller version of this, made by the
same guy responsible for the seated Lincoln statue in DC:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/Minute_Man.JPG)
http://www.tfaoi.com/aa/3aa/3aa223.htm (http://www.tfaoi.com/aa/3aa/3aa223.htm)
Fourteen
years later, in 1889, French was asked by a group of Concord residents
to create a reduced version for the Navy gunboat Concord. After Congress
authorized this commission in summer 1889, French reworked the
composition, titling it The Concord Minute Man of 1875. If the Minute
Man statue reveals protean elements of the Beaux-Arts style, the
reworked statuettes reflect a confident command. The result bespeaks the
sculptor's added years of experience and recent tenure in Paris:
sharpened, more expressive facial features, greater attention to
textural variation, and a more animated play of light and shadow on
fluid surfaces. French turned to the Melzar Hunt Mosman foundry, also in
Chicopee, for its casting, and the statuette was installed in 1891 (now
at the Navy Memorial Museum, Washington, D.C.).
Not important in any way, but it was amusing to follow the trail and discover the reference. I wonder if it was a nice pedestal.
Also
of note in the same log, R Taylor (apparently not the same as GHR
Taylor) got put in the cooler for five nights clasped in double irons
for punching another sailor. I guess double irons means hands and feet?
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Hi olems,
Welcome to OW and the forum family!
Yes, you can get really wrapped up hunting down references - but it is fascinating when you find answers.
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Welcome to OW. I hope you continue to enjoy our ships, and
thanks for the comment on the Minute Man - I didn't know about the
statue on board.
Bear in mind, if you ask in the forum for
handwriting help and go ahead with other transcribing, you can use "My
Pages" in the drop down under your User Name in the blue box to go back
and fix the "~~" once you get answers. (Says someone who also gets
lost in her research - this a wonderful place learn naval things,
history and geography.) :)
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Welcome Olems.
The word is cocks (fancy tap)
Tested magazine and shell room flood cocks, did not test cocks of ammunition room on account of inacessibility.
www.concordlibrary.org/scollect/Fin_Aids/DCFrench.htm (http://www.concordlibrary.org/scollect/Fin_Aids/DCFrench.htm)
www.concordlibrary.org/scollect/Fin_Aids/DCFrench.htm (http://www.concordlibrary.org/scollect/Fin_Aids/DCFrench.htm)
'The
John Shepard Keyes papers (Vault A45, Keyes, Unit 2) contain letters
written by French about the preparation of a statuette version of the
Minute Man for the U.S.S. Concord (the finished bronze piece presented
by the Town of Concord to the U.S. Navy in 1891).'
(http://www.concordlibrary.org/images/MMStatue_French.jpg)
Stuart.
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I noticed the Concord received another aneroid barometer on 22/07/1891.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_168_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_168_1.jpg)
4-8
pm watch. It's last in a larger shipment of equipment and parts and
there's no mention of installing the barometer in the following days, so
it might be a spare.
I'd mark it as an event but I'm not
actually transcribing this page, just snuck a peek (I transcribed the
weather log for this day, and then it skipped to the next weather log,
so I assume the event log got its third pass before I got to it).
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I wanted to check if there could be some background to associate
with the recurring names signing all those event reports, and a bit of
searching turned up quite a lot.
(http://usna.edu/Library/sca/findingaids/batcheller/images/batcheller.jpg)
Commander
Oliver A. Batcheller
(http://usna.edu/Library/sca/findingaids/batcheller/index.html) was on
the tail end of his career when he received command of the Concord,
having fought as a US Navy officer during the civil war.
After
serving as inspector for the First Light House District from 1885 to
1888, and another tour of ordnance duty, Batcheller was given command of
U.S.S. Concord (PG-3), commissioned in February 1891. Following her
fitting out, U.S.S. Concord cruised to the Caribbean, where Batcheller
twice met with President Florvil Hyppolite of Haiti in December 1891 and
January 1892. Batcheller's command of Concord was short lived, however,
as he was forced to retire several months later due to declining
health. Oliver Ambrose Batcheller died in Tryon, North Carolina on
October 30, 1893.
So the december '91 logs might be more exciting than training exercises in the Long Island Sound.
Admiral
Joseph Strauss
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Strauss_%28admiral%29) went on to
have quite the distinguished career.
Admiral Vincendon L. Cottman
(http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cacunithistories/RADM_Cottman.html)
did no poorer.
...Nor did Admiral Albert W. Grant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_W._Grant)
Commander
Levi Bertolette
(http://fultonhistory.com/newspaper%2010/New%20York%20NY%20Evening%20Post/New%20York%20NY%20Evening%20Post%201912%20Grayscale/New%20York%20NY%20Evening%20Post%201912%20Grayscale%20-%200354.pdf)
was less fortunate and died of yellow fever outside Guayaquil, Ecuador
in 1912, while in command of the Yorktown.
Lt J. B. Briggs was apparently more of a naval academic, but participated in the spanish-american war.
http://www.spanamwar.com/baltimorebriggsmbay.htm (http://www.spanamwar.com/baltimorebriggsmbay.htm)
There's also this odd little scrap from a court martial.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F70A11F63F5E15738DDDA90A94DF405B8884F0D3
(http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F70A11F63F5E15738DDDA90A94DF405B8884F0D3)
Lts Charles Laird and Edward Wood seems to have led more anonymous careers.
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Greetings fellow OWaholic ;D
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For short summaries of any officer enlisted 1775-1900, this is a
very good source: http://www.history.navy.mil/books/callahan/index.htm
It
covers the Continental Navy and Marines, as well as the US Navy and
Marines. Their source material was published in 1901, so this may
not be the total of some officers' careers.
Laird, Charles.
Midshipman,
29 September, 1869. Graduated 21 June, 1875. Ensign, 18 July, 1876.
Master, 1 February, 1882. Lieutenant, Junior Grade, 3 March, 1883.
Lieutenant, September, 1888. Lieutenant Commander, 3 March, 1899.
Wood, Edward P.
Midshipman,
1 October, 1863. Graduated June, 1867. Ensign, 18 December, 1868.
Master, 21 March, 1870. Lieutenant, 21 March, 1871. Lieutenant
Commander, 20 September, 1890. Commander, 13 July, 1897. Died 11
December, 1899.
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Greetings fellow OWaholic ;D
I can stop whenever I want to :P
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Yeah, me too ;D
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I've
had a couple occasions where the Concord logkeeper has added some
numbers in the hour column when they're anchored in the Hudson:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_168_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_168_0.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_185_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_185_0.jpg)
I'm
not sure how to transcribe these. They're apparently minutes past the
hour, and match up with recorded times for the tide turning in the event
logs. When I did the first page I transcribed it as 6.35 for the 6th
entry, 7.20 for the 7th, etc., but in the second log(which is the one
I'm at now) there's one note for 12.30 AM as well.
...
As you say, the additions seem to be just for the tides since there is no extra weather data.
I would be inclined to enter just the printed hour (6 rather than 6.35).
Caro? Janet?
I agree with Randi - the comment pages confirm that the morning watch officer was noting the tide changing times.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_168_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_185_1.jpg
They are not
connected to the weather readings. Either ignore them, or make
separate event readings like "Ebb tide 6:35 Swinging 7:20 Flood tide".
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The log keeper has put the barometer height in the wrong column.
I have logged it in the correct one.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol012of040/vol012of040_019_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol012of040/vol012of040_019_0.jpg)
(I have noted this in the barometer post as well.)
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:)
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I think I might have found a blatant case of minor inaccuracy in the history books.
The
log of Concord, 14th Aug. 1891 mentions this event outside Fort Adams,
Newport, RI when the squadron meets USS Richmond and Constellation:
At
11:35 USS Richmond saluted the Flag of Rear Admiral J.G. Walker with 13
guns which salute was returned by the Flagship with 7 guns.
J.G
Walker is John Grimes Walker
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Grimes_Walker), or the flag on
Flagship Chicago that keeps sending all those general signals. But
according to this
(http://www.history.navy.mil/books/callahan/reg-usn-w.htm) he wasn't
promoted to rear admiral until 1894
Walker, John G.
Acting
Midshipman, 5 October, 1850. Midshipman, 11 December, 1852. Passed
Midshipman, 20 June, 1856. Master, 22 January, 1858. Lieutenant, 23
January, 1858. Lieutenant Commander, 16 July, 1862. Commander, 25 July,
1866. Captain, 25 June, 1877. Commodore 12 February, 1889. Rear Admiral,
23 January, 1894. Retired List, 20 March, 1897.
I
thought that list was straight from the Navy records? I doubt they were
mistaken about it when firing that salute in 1891, unless he faked his
rank for 3 years. And yes, I'm a massive nitpicker.
Also, best beard:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/John_Grimes_Walker.jpg/220px-John_Grimes_Walker.jpg)
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No, for the first 75 years the Navy was coping with (A) not existing
at all between 1785 and 1798 and (B) getting itself organized from
nothing - literally. They apparently never picked up a sense of
being historian as well as paymaster.
http://www.history.navy.mil/books/callahan/index.htm#backregister
...Congress did not require registers until 1812...
...A
Senate resolution of 13 December 1815 required the Secretaries of War
and Navy to furnish registers of their respective officers annually to
every senator, thus introducing regularity to their compilation...
...The
Washington law firm of Mechlin & Winder in 1848 attempted to
rectify this deficiency with the publication of A General Register of
the Navy and Marine Corps of the United States... (Washington: C.
Alexander, 1848). While not an official Navy publication, this book
garnered accolades from three Navy bureau chiefs for its "usefulness and
its correctness"...
...In 1882, two years after publishing an Army register compilation, Thomas Hamersly [civilian] issued one for the Navy...
...In
1901, Lewis R. Hamersly's publishing firm printed the List of Officers
of the Navy of the United States and of the Marine Corps from 1775 to
1900. Hamersly had engaged Edward W. Callahan, then registrar of the
Bureau of Navigation at the Navy Department, as editor. A comparison of
this publication with the 1882 compilation edited by his brother, Thomas
H. S. Hamersly, demonstrates that Lewis relied heavily on his brother's
work but revised it using the records of those who served in the
intervening twenty years. The organization and historical essays of both
works are identical. Minor changes in the later work's type size saved
space, accommodating more names. Likewise, errors were transferred as
well...
...The U.S. Naval Historical Center used the 1901 "Callahan"
publication as the basis for this online compilation of officers from
1775 to 1901...
...Nothing comparable to the Callahan/Hamersly
compilation that lists progressive rank exists for the twentieth and
twenty-first-century Navy.
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It wouldn't be the first time that the logs have showed errors in
the historical record, but in this case it seems that there is a simpler
explanation:
http://memory.loc.gov/service/mss/eadxmlmss/eadpdfmss/2011/ms011171.pdf
1889 Appointed acting rear admiral Commander in chief, Squadron of Evolution
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Good find Randi, that certainly explains it. Faith restored in Navy record-keeping :)
Crew as disciplined as ever:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol012of040/vol012of040_017_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol012of040/vol012of040_017_1.jpg)
The
commander assigned the following punishments: D.F Ahern (2c app),
skulking, 24 hrs extra duty; C.A. Barns (3c app), delaying 1pm boat, 4
hrs extra duty; C.A. Barns (3c app), leaving the deck while on messenger
watch without permission, 24 hrs extra duty; H. Scott (WR boy) washing his person in wardroom scullery, 12 hrs extra duty; E. James (WR boy) same, 12 hrs extra duty; R. McCauley (2c app), impudent to Boatswains mate when giving an order, 5 days bread + water.
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Pretty severely disciplined I would say ;D
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They have handing out that level of discipline most of the last 6
months and the crew still deserted. They did not know when they were on a
good thing. Now they are 'at sea' not so much desertion.
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I have had what I think is my first 'j' weather code. 3am
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol012of040/vol012of040_039_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol012of040/vol012of040_039_0.jpg)
(Ensign Bertolle must have read the manual that evening. ) :o
and now my first W as in bcw @ 11PM
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol012of040/vol012of040_049_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol012of040/vol012of040_049_0.jpg)
Things are getting interesting. ;)
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Start saving your pay and your sun screen, I am taking you all to the the West Indies on the 17 Nov 1891.
(Maybe you can show them how to play cricket whilst your there. :D )
Till then, back to work. Please.
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5th Oct 1891. (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol012of040/vol012of040_052_1.jpg)
M. Halvorsen (gm), attempting to evade sentry by swimming across basin from cob. dock, 5 nights in double irons
Good to see the norwegians among the Concord crew going above and beyond the call of duty ::)
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;D ;D
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I wonder what E. Moore did. Usually the commander just hands out
five days bread and water for anything up to and including desertion.
This guy got a court martial and 15 days (once they found a place to put
him; the ship could have used an extra cell or two).
Oct 7th 1891: (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol012of040/vol012of040_054_1.jpg)
4 to 8 am
E.
Moore (sea) was brought on board at 7 am by a Navy Yard sentry, and, by
order of comd'g officer was placed under sentrys charge for safe
keeping.
Meridian to 4 pm
Delivered to E. Moore (sea) copy of
charges prefered against him by Comdr O.A. Batcheller USN for trial by
summary court martial.
Oct 9th 1891: (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol012of040/vol012of040_056_1.jpg)
8 am to meridian
At
10:00 a summary court martial of which Lieut V.L. Cottman was senior
member met for the trial of E. Moore (sea). Summary court took a recess
at 11: till 1 pm.
meridian to 4 pm
At 1:00 summary court martial reconvened and at 1:35 adjourned until 10 am tomorrow.
Oct 13th 1891: (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol012of040/vol012of040_060_1.jpg)
4 to 8 pm
At
4:30 called all hands to muster and read fidnings and sentence of
summary court martial in the case of E.L.C. Moore (sea). Sentence as
mitigated by the commander: Solitary confinement in single irons on
bread and water for 15 days, full ration every 5th day. The prisoner was
placed under sentrys charge to await confinement, the cell being
occupied.
I also noticed a mention of the ship USS Yantic:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol012of040/vol012of040_057_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol012of040/vol012of040_057_1.jpg)
which
upon further investigation
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Yantic_%281864%29) seems like a good
candidate for Old Weather. Long, diverse service including a stint
around Greenland.
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And that's a mitigated sentence! I don't know where they keep
old court records, but I can't look because they won't be in Chicago.
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I set sail today for St Thomas W.I. on what I think is the Maiden voyage :) :) :) 18 Nov 1891.
Anybody else set sail yet?
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total newbie here (please tell me if I'm doing this completely
wrong), but yes set sail for St Thomas W.I. on the 17th Nov, any idea
where they were anchored after unmooring from the Miantonomoh and just
before leaving for St Thomas (I can't make out the name for the life of
me) ?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol012of040/vol012of040_096_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol012of040/vol012of040_096_0.jpg)
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It might be Tompkinsville http://www.geographic.org/geographic_names/usaname.php?uni=967647&fid=usageo_892
Here
is an older map
http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~35949~1200655:Map-of-the-Country-Twenty-Five-Mile?qvq=w4s:/where/New%20York%20City%20area;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=0&trs=2
For
the naval yard (but not Tompkinsville):
http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~229143~5507978:Topographical-Map-Of-New-York-City,?qvq=w4s:/where/New%20York%20County%20%28N.Y.%29;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=1&trs=2
Also, for Miantonomoh, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Miantonomoh_%28BM-5%29
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I agree with Randi, Tompkinsville and that whole convoluted area of
New York Harbor were heavily involved in navy and other shipping.
And welcome to Old Weather forum. :)
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Welcome to my crew 12walch (insert first name here) :)
You joined at just the right time as we have just spent 6 months in the Navy yard N.Y.
Stuart
(pommystuart)
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i did slog through a few late October entries, very glad i
didn't come here any sooner. and thanks Randi for figuring out the name,
Tompkinsville would never have guessed it.
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12walch:
For Tompkinsville, I looked at the next page, which
had the events for the day. The location was somewhat more readable
there and it mentioned sailing ('standing') down the East River which
gave me a general location.
Ironically, I was in the process of writing up a few notes about how to do that - and why it was useful ;)
See: How to look at log pages before and after the one you are working on (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3598.0)
Welcome on board and have fun!
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Never quite worked that one out why they enter standing when they mean sailing. :-[
Also why the "Pay Dept" receives the Fruit and Vegetables?
Funny lot these Seamen. ;)
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J. Christianson (CGC) was ordered to wear a cutlass and keep watch
on the forecastle until he can detect a man spitting on deck, for
spitting on deck. (27 Nov 1891.)
Well, its a change from the usual bad conduct reports.
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Never quite worked that one out why they enter standing when they mean sailing. :-[
Maybe because it sounds more professional than sitting. :D
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I enjoy reading old documents for this reason, you get to see how the language has changed.
A
ship "standing" to a general direction seemed natural to me since there
are two similar expressions in norwegian. Plus I've sailed a little on
tall ships, they truly do stand :)
I think on a ship of that
time, the paymaster was in charge of keeping the ship's stores and
consumables, so that's why all the food go by his "department". I liked
one entry where the logger mentioned they "received x gallons fresh
water in engineering department". I guess it sounded more official than
just writing that they refilled the boilers from a hose.
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Places Visited. Will add to as we go on.
Tompkinsville N.Y. 17 Nov 1891.
St Thomas. W.I. 24 Nov 1891.
Fredericksted, Santa. Cruz, W.I. 29 Nov 1891.
St Thomas, W.I. 7 Dec 1891.
St Pierre, Martinique W.I. 10 Dec 1891.
Bridgetown, Barbados. 14 Dec 1891.
St Lucia, and also Kingston Harbor, St Vincent 15 Dec 1891.
St Thomas, 18 Dec 1891.
Port au Prince, Hayti. 22 Dec 1891.
Gonaives Hayti. 28 Dec 1891.
Bridgetown, Barbados. 3 Jan 1892.
Bahia, Brazil, 27 Jan 1892.
Montevideo, Uruguay. 5 Feb 1892.
Bridgetown, Barbados, 8 Mar 1892.
St Thomas, W.I., 17 Mar 1892.
Kingstone, Jamaica, 26 Mar 1892.
Havana, Cuba, 30 Mar 1892.
Matanzas, Cuba. 4 April 1892.
Key West Flo. 7 April 1892.
New Orleans La, 27 April 1892
Donaldsonville La, 29 Apr 1892
Tunisca Isld, 30 Apr 1892
Rifle Pt, 1 May 1892
Vicksburg Miss, 2 May 1892
Glenora, 3 May 1892.
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Dec 11 1891.
A lunar rainbow was visible.
Never seen one of those.
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Was it a bow, or a ring around the moon? I've seen the second
once as a child when we were far enough from city lights to actually see
the sky. I'm trying to picture what kind of mist you would have
to have to see a bow.
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Don't know, was not there in person ;D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol012of040/vol012of040_120_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol012of040/vol012of040_120_1.jpg)
Have seen a halo around the moon which usually indicates very cold weather but that is common.
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I'm thinking, with passing showers and cloudy sky, it had to be a
real bow. That ring around the moon I saw was in a bz sky - I
think the haze was ice crystals.
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I have just reached 25 Dec 1891.
Merry Christmas to all my crew.
Stuart.
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Merry Christmas to you too ;D
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Stuart,
It looks like the Christmas spirit
hasn't affected all the crew. Naval Cadet Caldwell was put under
suspension for neglect of duty.
Michael
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Happy New year Concord crew.
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Stuart,
It looks like the Christmas spirit hasn't affected all the crew.
Naval Cadet Caldwell was put under suspension for neglect of duty.
Michael
Perhaps the Christmas spirits affected one of the crew ;)
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Well, Stuart, it looks like we survived New Year's Day with no Court
Martials! Things are looking up; I wonder how long the crew can keep
this up. Only 16 more years to go.
Michael
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6666 entries on 600 pages.
Must be some luck in there somewhere.
Maybe I get a promotion soon?
(Not a lot in the scheme of things but nice set of figures)
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(http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/10404/b0282.gif)
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Watch out for the Misc pages starting 14 Jan 1892.
After each misc page with Court martial entry on it you keep going back to the previous weather page.
Don't enter it again.
Normal service resumes after normal misc page for the 14 Feb 1892.
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It seems I now have to read to the crew to keep them in line.
8am to meridian.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol012of040/vol012of040_181_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol012of040/vol012of040_181_1.jpg)
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Now don't go forgetting to tuck them in on a night and wish them sweet dreams... ::) ::) ;D
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Not having the Articles of War read aloud to him did keep "a
relation" out of the brig for punching the provost marshal in the
nose...
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Cool comment, Kevin. Although I thought the idea of 'War' was to fight 'The Other Side' not your own ;D
As for 'tucking the crew in' forget it.
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Those fangs would probably make the crew a bit nervous anyway ;D
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;D
Indeed, your vacation has not improved your looks, Stuart ;D
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You have not seen me in the morning, that pic is good. ;D
For
the English Motorbike fans I saw Charley Boorman today in the 'Pub in
the Paddock', he was watching the pig having a beer. (google it)
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Brought forward from Feb 14th for info.
Places Visited. Will add to as we go on. Now only doing places with Lat/Longs from June 1892 on.
Tompkinsville N.Y. 17 Nov 1891.
St Thomas. W.I. 24 Nov 1891.
Fredericksted, Santa. Cruz, W.I. 29 Nov 1891.
St Thomas, W.I. 7 Dec 1891.
St Pierre, Martinique W.I. 10 Dec 1891.
Bridgetown, Barbados. 14 Dec 1891.
St Lucia, Barbados. and also Kingston Harbor, St Vincent, Barbados.15 Dec 1891.
St Thomas, 18 Dec 1891.
Port au Prince, Hayti. 22 Dec 1891.
Gonaives Hayti. 28 Dec 1891.
Bridgetown, Barbados. 3 Jan 1892.
Bahia, Brazil, 27 Jan 1892.
Montevideo, Uruguay. 5 Feb 1892.
Bridgetown, Barbados, 8 Mar 1892.
St Thomas, W.I., 17 Mar 1892.
Kingstone, Jamaica, 26 Mar 1892.
Havana, Cuba, 30 Mar 1892.
Matanzas, Cuba. 4 April 1892.
Key West Flo. USA, 7 April 1892.
New Orleans La, USA, 27 April 1892
Donaldsonville La, USA, 29 Apr 1892
Tunisca Isld, USA, 30 Apr 1892
Rifle Pt, USA, 1 May 1892
Vicksburg Miss, USA, 2 May 1892
Glenora, USA, 3 May 1892.
Terrene, USA, 4 May 1892.
Helena, Arc. USA, 5 May 1892.
Hartroads Landing. USA, 6 May 1892.
Memphis,
Tenn. USA, 7 May 1892.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol013of040/vol013of040_076_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol013of040/vol013of040_076_1.jpg)
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Stuart,
Hey, don't forget Memphis, Tennessee. I
don't remember the list of places between Memphis and Terene, though I
remember Hartlesroad Landing. In any case, it seems most likely the the
old Concord and its crew of drunks, deserters and general layabouts went
to Memphis to celebrate the opening of the Memphis Bridge on 12 May
1892. At sunrise they dressed the ship in rainbow colors and they fired a
21 gun salute at 1:00 p.m. to celebrate the official opening. The
weather wasn't bad: cloudy with light winds and a temperature of 71F.
From Wikipedia:
At
the time of the Memphis bridge construction, it was a significant
technological challenge and is considered to be chief engineer George S.
Morison's crowning achievement. No other bridges had ever been
attempted on the Lower Mississippi River.
The bridge is built
entirely of open-hearth steel, a newly developed material at the time of
construction. The structure features a 790 foot main span and two
additional 600 foot spans. Its 65 foot height above the water was the
highest clearance of any U.S. bridge of that era. The construction of
the piers went nearly 100 feet below the water's surface.
Construction
for the Kansas City, Fort Scott and Memphis Railroad began in 1888 and
was completed May 12, 1892. In the end the project created a bridge that
was the farthest south on the Mississippi River, featured the longest
span in the United States and cost nearly 3 million dollars.
The
bridge is now called the Frisco Bridge. A testament to its design and
construction, as of 2009 the bridge is still used by BNSF Railway. The
bridge is listed as a Historic Civil Engineering Landmark.
Michael
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Hi Michael.
If you (or anybody else) spots a new port please tell
me as I am getting skipped pages and it takes me ages to go back to
look where we have been.
Is it of any use for me to be doing this?
Thanks for the info as well.
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It very definitely is!
GEOGRAPHICAL HELP is coming soon.
When contributing place names, try to provide as many of the following as possible:
Name in log
Country
Latitude and Longitude (preferably in decimal format)
State/Province
Standard/Current name
Link to more information (e.g.,
http://www.geographic.org/geographic_names/name.php?uni=-2303355&fid=1476&c=cuba
or http://mapcarta.com/Matanzas)
Also, a link to the log page(s) where it is mentioned would be helpful
Don't
worry if you can't supply all the information. Your link to the page
will enable others to search for the missing information.
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OK Randi, but will do only the ones with lat/Long and not the overnight stops.
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OK Randi, but will do only the ones with lat/Long and not the overnight stops.
'Latitude and Longitude (preferably in decimal format)' refers to the lat and long of the place rather than the ship.
If
you prefer, just give us a link to the page (so we can be sure we have
the correct one in cases where there are many places with the same name)
and we will fill it in.
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Looks like a long trip coming up. 152 gals Beans and 2000 lbs hard bread loaded today (6 July)
Beans on toast anyone?
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On 15 July 1892, there were punishments awarded to 15 people. I
think, though I'm not positive, that this is a daily record. In
addition, witnesses are being gathered for two more Courts Martial, and
sentences from two previous Courts Martial were read out the day before.
What kind of a ship are you running, O my Captain?
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Not a good one by the look of it. Look at the crew list and all the underlined entries, a lot are also deserters.
Seems to follow me from ship to ship. :(
NO further comments about that please.
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This weeks logs (late July 1892) seem to have improved, only 2 GCM's and no deserters.
Still in New London.
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1. Anybody want to take a guess at P. SUS? Merid to 4PM, 3rd last line.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol013of040/vol013of040_203_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol013of040/vol013of040_203_1.jpg)
2. Do you want the 8am and 8pm lat/long recorded?
Ta.
Spoke
to soon one previous post, 6 more deserters, and just when we are going
to the West Indies, What's wrong with them, don't they like sun, lovely
beaches and lovely women? ;)
Sold deserters belongings for $33.60. Drinks on the Captain?
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5 sept 1892
Encountered the SE trades in Lat N 26-32, W 67 58
First time I have seen that.
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I think when we were doing WW1, all the ships had stopped being
dependent on sails for the bulk of their motive power, while in the
1890s many of the sailors still instinctively note the wind with sails
in mind - even when they also have steam.
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Thanks.
Please don't miss reply (questions) #123
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1. Anybody want to take a guess at P. SUS? Merid to 4PM, 3rd last line.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol013of040/vol013of040_203_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol013of040/vol013of040_203_1.jpg)
It looks like P.Sus (Lds)
2. Do you want the 8am and 8pm lat/long recorded?
Either or both, your choice if there is no noon reading.
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2. Do you want the 8am and 8pm lat/long recorded?
Either or both, your choice if there is no noon reading.
There are two Noon plus 8am and 8pm
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From Philip:
please enter at least one position - in order of desirability:
Noon Obs
Noon DR
Other time obs
Other time DR
Port name
Place or landmark name
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9th Sept 1892
"Passed an Hermaphrodite Brig ...."
I thought that only happened in the animal world. ???
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Not the first one that has been reported.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermaphrodite_brig
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Colon, Colombia, is Colon, Panama now days.
What a pain in the **** that was to find. ;D
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That's because it is in Panama - cheated and fed in their noon coordinates before starting my map search. ;)
map:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Colon,+Panama&hl=en&sll=9.239933,-79.729216&sspn=1.453026,1.483154&oq=Colon,&t=w&hnear=Colon,+Panama&z=12
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Someone should have told the Navigator on the Concord.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol014of040/vol014of040_041_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol014of040/vol014of040_041_0.jpg)
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Which is why I'd never have found it without cheating and putting in
the lat/long first. Though I do that because I'm really poor a
location and like having that crutch. It certainly is not your
fault if your log keeper is just as lost as you are.
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Using Janets idea, here is the map of the Voyage of the Concord. Jan 1892 on.
Only places are marked not the route. (it leaves to many line marks in the place list)
http://goo.gl/maps/4783v (http://goo.gl/maps/4783v)
Last update log date 12 Sept 1893.
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Cool. I didn't know the Concord went up the Mississippi to the Ohio River Junction. Nice to see that.
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It is either that, or the Navigator still does not know where he is. ;D
(Now then Bugs, where is Albuquerque?) ???
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Give us a link to the page!
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(Now then Bugs, where is Albuquerque?)
Joke from Bugs Bunny.
"I told you we should've taken that left turn at Albuquerque" ;D
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I'm on my way to Pismo Beach ;D
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I'm on my way to Pismo Beach ;D
Wow, what will be schmonsequences of that ????
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Happy 400th Anniversary of the Discovery of America to my Crew.
12 Oct 1892.
Double rum rations and floggings all around, from your Captain. :P
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Dicovery of America by Columbus, to be more precise - another one who didn't know where he was. ;D
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;D
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And didn't know he was rediscovering the already-known. ;)
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And didn't know he was rediscovering the already-known. ;)
See New Scientist 30 march 2013 page 42
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There seems to have been some activity over the last 12 hrs, I have suddenly gone from 10 Oct to 8 Nov.
Did we go anywhere in that time (for the map). last at Colon, Now going to Key West
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I did several pages but we were anchored in Colon for each of them, so I can't help you there.
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There seems to have been some activity over the last 12 hrs, I have suddenly gone from 10 Oct to 8 Nov.
Did we go anywhere in that time (for the map). last at Colon, Now going to Key West
Stuart, give me those 2 jpg links, and I'll walk myself up the days to give you that information.
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Thanks Janet.
I can do that myself but just thought the crew may
help. You do a lot with the other areas and I do not wish to give you
any extra.
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Thanks. That's easier, but if I would have minded, I would not have offered. :)
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It's getting cold in Norfolk, Va.
Jan 17th 1893 = 7F
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You southerners have a rather cute notion of cold! :D
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I know what cold is.
Sometimes I have to cuddly the wife to keep her warm (that's my excuse anyway). ;)
The crew can look forward to a cruise to the Mediterranean around June 1893 when we eventually get out of Norfolk, Va.
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I wouldn't have wanted to be living near Hampton Roads Virginia back on 19 April 1893:
At
8:30 the French Flagship Arthuse came in and anchored. She fired the
following salutes: 21 guns N.S. Flag at the Main which was returned by
the fort, 15 guns English at fore - returned by Blake, 13 guns N. S.
Flag at fore, returned by Philadelphia. The Kaiserin Augusta, General
Admiral, Van Speyk and Bausan with the French flag at the Fore, which
the Arthuse returned gun for gun with the German, Russian, Dutch and
Italian flgs respectively at the fore. The Jean Bart fired a salute of
13 guns.
This comes to 228 guns fired in the space of a few
minutes. On the previous day there was a similar number as the British
squadron came in to anchor, followed by the Dutch ship. On that day,
though, the couple hundred guns were spaced over six hours.
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Speak up, I can't hear you :D
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;D ;D ;D
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Did you say, "How much longer can this go on?"
During the
forenoon the Spanish ships Infanta Isabel flying the Spanish Admiral's
flag, the "Raina Ragunta" and "Ninva Espana" towing the Columbus
Caravels Pinta, Santa Maria and Nina respectively arrived in the Roads
and anchored. The Infanta Isabel fired a salute of 21 guns U. S. Flag at
the Main, answered by the fort gun for gun. The following Flagships
fired a salute of 13 guns with the Spanish Flag at the fore:-
Philadelphia, Van Speyk, Kaiserin Augusta, General Admiral, Artheuse and
were answered gun for gun with the flags of the different nations at
the fore. The Infanta Isabel fired a salute of 15 guns with the English
flag at the fore, which was returned by the "Blake".
At 1:25
Spanish Flagship fired a salute of 13 guns with the Italian flag at the
fore which was returned by the Italian flagship with 13 guns, Spanish
flag at the fore. At 1:30 the German Flagship fired a salute of 5 guns.
At 2:50 the French Flagship fired a salute of 13 guns N. S. Flag at the
fore. At 3:20 the Italian flagship fired a salute of 13 guns, N. S. Flag
at the fore.
I think this totals around 260 guns though if the
German, French and Italian salutes last mentioned were answered by the
U. S. Navy, we would have around 290 guns for the afternoon.
Unfortunately, Google is dead at the moment and has been for the past 20
minutes or so, so I can't double check the spelling of the Spanish
ships, nor can I see if the real Nina, Pinta and Santa Maria did visit
Hampton Roads in April 1893. Certainly something is going on, with ships
from the Russian, British, Italian, French, Spanish and Dutch navies
all in attendance. There was a regatta a couple of days previously, and
there is lots of visiting going on:
At 2:50 Chicago - Concord
(wigwag) Wardroom officers will dine the Hussard officers tomorrow
night. Send invitations this afternoon.
Maybe life in the Navy isn't so bad. Did they have ear protectors in those days? Hunh? what did you say?
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A new record for salutes, I believe. I counted 703 guns, 55 guns in
this total were not reported as being returned, so the total could
conceivably be higher. However, being the Concord, we still had time for
a Summary Court Martial in the midst of all this.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol015of040/vol015of040_054_1.jpg
Dressed ship and fired a salute of 21 guns with Italian flagship Etna at 8:00 a.m.
At
9:55 the Dolphin flying the flag of the Secretary of the Navy came in
and steamed through the Fleet, being saluted by the Senior ships of each
nation with 17 guns. Each salute was returned gun for gun. Dolphin came
to anchor at 11:05 and dressed ship. The Spanish Admiral called upon
the various flagships and received salutes of 13 guns from each. The
salutes were returned gun for gun by the Raina Ragunta. The Italian
Admiral called upon the various Flagships and received salutes of 13
guns from each. The salutes were returned gun for gun by the "Etna".
At noon fired a salute of 21 guns Spanish flag at the Fore.
The Etna fired a salute of 13 guns, Spanish flag at the fore.
At sundown fired a salute of 21 guns with the Italian Flagship Etna.
And, to top it all off...
At 7:40 Flagship signalled fleet (Ardois) The uniform for the Secretary's dinner will be full dress without swords or chepaux.
There
were flagships from the following navies (in no particular order): U.
S., British, Russian, Spanish, Italian, Dutch, French and German.
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Google is back! How did we ever survive without it?! The Naval
Review was held as part of the Columbian exposition, held to
commemorate the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus's voyage to
the Americas. Replicas of the Santa Maria, Nina and Pinta sailed from
Spain to be part of the celebration at the Chicago World's Fair.
Here is a brief note about the events at Hampton Roads in April 1893:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Review
Note that the log from the Concord mentions the U.S.S.
Philadelphia as well as those ships listed in the Wiki entry above. So
far, no mention has been made of President Cleveland, only the Secretary
of the Navy is mentioned as being on the Dolphin.
Here are some wonderful photos of the ships that participated in the event at Hampton Roads:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/seaveyfamily/sets/72157632032201141/
Here is a photograph of the replicas of the three ships that came from Spain:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1893_Nina_Pinta_Santa_Maria_replicas.jpg
My ears are still ringing from the 703 guns.
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Did the Concord go with the foreign ships inland to Chicago?
That's where the Columbian Exposition was held and eventual port the
Spanish ships went to.
Answered my own question. The Battleship USS Illinois was the only US war ship to accompany the Spanish caravels in.
(http://www.holidays.net/store/img-large/1893-worlds-columbian-exposition-souv-postal-battle-ship-illinois_200901056545.jpg)
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???
Look what happens when I go away.
It will be old news when I reach those pages. :(
Picture of an Opal Mine in Lightening Ridge (current location) 29?26′S 147?58′E
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Did you find an opals Stuart?
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Did you find an opals Stuart?
:( only in the shops. There was a nice gem for $32K
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Well, we made it to Gibraltar, and the Captain went off to call
officially on the German Cruiser Schwalbe, which came into harbor at
2:40 on July 22, 1893. Here's what the cruiser looked like:
http://books.google.ca/books?id=My0xAQAAMAAJ&pg=RA3-PA21&lpg=RA3-PA21&dq=German+Cruiser+Schwalbe&source=bl&ots=C_Y7LjspfZ&sig=1r5P9ZYxGhkMT0Nwggqqwb4FwYA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=fUOEUZqsC-mpigL6i4CQCw&ved=0CFkQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=German%20Cruiser%20Schwalbe&f=false
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I think the heat from the Red Sea is getting to the crew. Thirty-one
people punished in one day for various minor offenses. Could this go
into the Guiness Book of World Records? There were so many people
needing remedial action a separate page had to be added to the logs:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol015of040/vol015of040_178_1.jpg
Michael
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I'd question the management ability of the officers also - something is seriously out of whack.
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Don't blame the Captain, he doesn't come back from holiday till next Monday. ;)
2IC Micheal, what have you been doing whilst I was away?
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Captain oh my Captain,
You have been running a
very slack ship and I decided it was time to get tough on crime. Sadly,
the punishments needed to weed out these malingerers, thieves, slackers,
profaners, purveyors of filthy pictures, drunks, and sloppily dressed
insolent litterers have been removed from the Articles for the Good
Governance of the Navy. Had I been able to administer a few good
floggings and maybe toss a couple of the worst offenders overboard I
could have straightened up this gang of misfits. I did my best with the
limited tools at my disposal. They're all yours now. Welcome aboard.
We'll give you a three gun salute.
Michael
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Flogging - http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq78-1.htm
When
President Millard Filmore signed the 1851 naval appropriations bill on
28 September 1850, flogging as a form of punishment in the US. Navy was
legally abolished: "Provided, That flogging in the navy, and on board
vessels of commerce, be, and the same time is hereby, abolished from and
after the passage of this act."
Too late for Wm. Wilson on the Jamestown http://www.djcosmik.com/oldweather/vol001of067_036.jpg
9 Feb 1845 - First watch
Punished Wm. Wilson (O.S.) with one dozen lashes for assaulting a messmate
See
colt in OWpedia
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3209.msg52129#msg52129) and
in USS Jamestown - 4 May 1850
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3534.msg58942#msg58942)
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Well it seems not just the crew were stepping out of line, the days
of the week seem to be stirring up a bit of trouble as well.
"Tursday August 29th, 1893"
Obviously these long days at sea are taking their toll on everyone.
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;D
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Just worked out the CP is Coal passer, used to be CH Coal heaver.
It changed just recently mid 1893.
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Coal Passer sounds much more civilized.
"Lieut. Jones, would you kindly heave me the salt?" just doesn't sound right.
I suspect that heaving was a more accurate description though ;)
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Probably changed the name to make it sound like a good job (even though passing IS heaving when you're talking about coal).
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Map of the Voyage of the Concord. Jan 1892 on.
Only places are marked not the route. (it leaves to many line marks in the place list)
http://goo.gl/maps/4783v
Last update, log date 12 Sept 1893.
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???
How does the above differ from http://goo.gl/maps/RSbP9?
They seem to zoom differently, but the list of places appears to be the same.
I updated the links in Geographical Help to be safe. :-\
Signed,
Google ignoramus.
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Err, don't know. :'(
Both maps do seem to be the same. The one you have will be the one I work with from now on.
My last post was the one I worked on last, which should have been the first one.
Re-loaded my first one and clicked Hyperlink, short URL and it gave another link. Go Figure?
I will have to google to find an answer %^)
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::) ;D
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Having worn my fingers to the bone entering all the various sins and
punishments that have occurred on the old U.S.S. Concord, I just had to
post this bit of news from the present:
A sailor in the Royal
Canadian Navy says she?s fighting two battles right now ? one against
breast cancer and another against the navy ? over a disputed sick day
last year. Deyoung said she felt a growing lump in her breast last June
and called in sick. She was then ordered to go to a military hospital on
Canadian Forces Base Stadacona in Halifax. She said she followed
orders, but it took her two hours to get there. A month later, she was
told she was being charged with two counts of disobeying a lawful
command and one count of absence without leave. Deyoung said the dispute
is over the two hours it took to get to the hospital. She has since
been diagnosed with breast cancer.
What can one say!!!!
Michael
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I sincerely hope they put sensible officers on the appeals board.
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Our current government has been promoting Canadian military history
and trying to restore the reputation of our armed forces - it even put
the word "Royal" back in the name, which was dropped about 30 or 40
years ago. On the other hand, it seems to be doing everything it can to
discourage soldiers. Veterans from Afghanistan with terrible physical
and emotional problems are often left to fend for themselves and there
have been a number of suicides. I can't imagine why anyone would enlist.
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Having
worn my fingers to the bone entering all the various sins and
punishments that have occurred on the old U.S.S. Concord ....
Michael
This is what he means.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol016of040/vol016of040_046_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol016of040/vol016of040_046_1.jpg)
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On the Concord in Hong Kong, November 1, 1893 and the Canadian
Pacific RMS Empress of China just left for Yokohama en route to
Vancouver with the Governor of Hong Kong. I was thinking that with the
three CP Empresses: China; Japan; and, India sailing regularly from Hong
Kong to Yokohama and Vancouver and back for many years that these logs
might be very worthwhile for filling in spots in the big hole that is
the North Pacific. Not that we're running out of ships... ;D
Michael
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On
the Concord in Hong Kong, November 1, 1893 and the Canadian Pacific RMS
Empress of China just left for Yokohama en route to Vancouver with the
Governor of Hong Kong. I was thinking that with the three CP Empresses:
China; Japan; and, India sailing regularly from Hong Kong to Yokohama
and Vancouver and back for many years that these logs might be very
worthwhile for filling in spots in the big hole that is the North
Pacific. Not that we're running out of ships... ;D
Michael
I'll
suggest that to Philip and Kevin - I have no idea if Canadian Pacific
is still in business and still has those logbooks. Or if those
logbooks have good weather readings. It would be nice if they did.
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On the 21st, we see three Chinese men-of-war entering the harbour at
Hong Kong: the Kwang Chea (Flagship), the Kwang Ping and
the Kwang Yea. Some of these took part in the Battle of the Yalu River with the Japanese. Some interesting
references:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Yalu_River_%281894%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwan_Chia
Michael
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A lot of 'one upmanship'? 8am - Merid.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol016of040/vol016of040_119_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol016of040/vol016of040_119_1.jpg)
::)
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"all of these foreign admirals are going to know we are loudly polite to everyone!" ;D
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Baragraph log entries obviously wrong.
Seem to have gained an inch over lunch
AM readings 30.0x ish till noon when 29.95
PM 30.9x ish till 9PM then 29.9x
Entered as is. Noted on entry page as event.
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No need to put an event, the software will catch the abrupt change.
This is hardly the first time this has happened ::) Perhaps the log
keeper was a bit groggy after lunch ;)
(besides, it is not actually an event and the weather analysis software would not read your comment)
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OK
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:-*
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An interesting day, January 25th, 1894. It really looks to me, at
least, that from 6 a.m. to noon the observer is reporting ocrs, overcast
with rain and snow. The Wet Bulb temperatures during this time range
from 42 to 40 degrees F., so snow is extremely unlikely. I was curious
as to just how unlikely this would be, so I took 464,592 hourly
observations from Whitehorse A., Yukon (CYXY, 71964) from the years 1953
to 2005. I then counted how many observations of snow occurred with wet
bulb temperatures greater than 0 C. (1,671). The highest wet bulb
temperature recorded with snow was 4.5 C (40.1 F). I then counted how
many observations of rain occurred with wet bulb temperatures between 0
and 4.6 C. (5,139) Finally, I calculated the probability of having snow,
given that there is precipitation, for a given wet bulb temperature.
Because we are dealing with observations from the 1890s, I converted the
wet bulb temperatures from Celsius to Fahrenheit. I have attached the
results. (The trend line is an order 3 polynomial.)
Here is the log page for the Concord:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol016of040/vol016of040_141_0.jpg
Michael
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My own personal experience with how miserable Chicago weather can
get agrees with your analysis. Rain and snow mixed (worst driving
conditions ever!) only happens when the dry air temp is in the mid- to
low- 30s. And wet bulb is always lower. And their own
comment page backs up your assumptions, "Rainy and Cold". So I
have to wonder what the 's' stands for.
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Shivering. ;D
M
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I am trying to understand your graph, Michael. Wikipedia says the
lower the relative humidity, the more potential cooling from
evaporation. Your graph shows the wet bulb temperature, which takes into
account the actual evaporation effect. So I presume that this is more
relevant than the the air temperature in calculating the probability
that precipitation will be in the form of snow. There would be other
factors, wouldn't there? For example, we often get temperature
inversions during the winter when it can rain at 25 F or lower. Could
the opposite happen too? For example, the upper atmosphere where the
snow forms could be very cold and it could be well above freezing at
ground. Perhaps this is what is happening when we see snow sometimes at
38 or 39 F? The snow doesn't have time to melt before it hits the
ground.
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Craig,
Good questions. I generated a graph using
the wet bulb temperature because wet bulb temperatures are the ones
being reported in the log. It makes much more sense to consider the
dewpoint, but that requires one to calculate it from the dry bulb and
wet bulb temperatures, not a straightforward calculation, although there
are websites that will do the calculation for you, for example:
http://www.ringbell.co.uk/info/humid.htm
Considering relative humidity alone isn't sufficient. You could
be in central Libya with a temperature in the 40s Celsius, (above 100 F)
with a relative humidity of just a few percent and you would not get
snow. (I have seen relative humidities reported in Saudi Arabia that
have been in the single digits.)
You can, of course,
have cold air above lying over warm air below, but once the temperature
difference exceeds a certain value, called the dry adiabatic lapse
rate, the warm air below will rise and mixing will occur. This rate of
temperature decrease is 9.8 ?C/km (5.38 ?F per 1,000 ft) (3.0?C/1,000
ft).
If the snow is falling into dry air, it will
experience evaporative cooling, and so it may reach the ground even
though the surface air is warm. However, as the moisture is added to the
air, the air will eventually become saturated, and then the maximum
attainable lapse rate is called the moist adiabatic lapse rate, which
has a typical value around 5 ?C/km (2.7 ?F/1,000 ft) (1.5?C/1,000 ft).
Given some time, the warm air below and cooler air above will mix so
that the temperature decrease with height attains that 1.5?C/1,000 ft
(for saturated air), and there won't be anymore evaporative cooling
because the air is saturated.
If you are only using a
temperature to decide whether or not the precipitation will be rain or
snow, the dewoint is the best indicator. However, I have found that the
best predictor of all is the difference in elevation between the levels
in the atmosphere where the pressure was 1000 and 850 MB. This gives the
elevation at which the snow turns to rain, and it is very sensitive.
There is, of course, a layer where both snow and rain occur together,
but it is quite thin.
Using the calculator shown
above, with a temperature of 42 and a wet bulb of 40 wet get a dewpoint
of 37.6 F. Using my data from Whitehorse, there were 287 reports of rain
and just two of snow occurring when the dewpoint was 37.4 to 37.8F.
Considering just the wet bulb temperature of 39.9 - 40.1F, there were
637 cases of rain and only 2 of snow. In any case, the chances of having
snow are pretty slim, and having snow for several hours isn't credible.
I have long been suspicious of the wet bulb temperatures reported on
the Concord, and my guess is that the wet bulb was really lower than
reported, and/or the snow lasted only briefly, and/or the person copying
the weather log skipped the following weather observation that was
probably just oc or ocr and put in ditto marks too soon. It is
interesting in the Miscellaneous Events page for the day there is no
mention of snow which is surprising if it really occurred for several
hours. A few days later there is a one hour report of snow, and it is
mentioned on the Events page. Of course we don't really know what
happened; it is just all speculation.
Anyway, I just enter what I see, and wonder.
I have attached the graph for Snow vs Rain as a Function of
Dewpoint, which you may admire at your leisure. One may argue that
Whitehorse is at a fairly high and dry location, where as Yokohama is at
sea level and in a maritime environment. I did a similar calculation
using data from Halifax Nova Scotia and the graphs are very similar.
Michael
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On
the Concord in Hong Kong, November 1, 1893 and the Canadian Pacific RMS
Empress of China just left for Yokohama en route to Vancouver with the
Governor of Hong Kong. I was thinking that with the three CP Empresses:
China; Japan; and, India sailing regularly from Hong Kong to Yokohama
and Vancouver and back for many years that these logs might be very
worthwhile for filling in spots in the big hole that is the North
Pacific. Not that we're running out of ships... ;D
Michael
I heard back from Kevin on this. Good idea, possibly already in play.
from Kevin:
This
is a good idea to look into for later. However, my recollection is that
relatively more merchant ship's data is already in ICOADS for the
primary trade routes, including US West Coast to Asia, compared to the
Navy/Coast Guard like the ones we're working on now that sail all over.
Not sure how far back this is the case though.
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More entries with 's' in them and no mention of snow. Not the
first ones either just the first I have mentioned after Michaels
comments
Examples
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol016of040/vol016of040_160_0.jpg Weather reports
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol016of040/vol016of040_160_1.jpg Misc page.
Also the q and g look very similar on some pages, best guess applied.
Ex http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol016of040/vol016of040_157_0.jpg
TWYS applied, but clarification would be appreciated.
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I'm thinking you are going to have to right-click / open in separate
window to get the jpg link to the weather scan, and walk it up manually
to the comments. In both these cases, "squally" and "snow" were
mentioned. Very awkward, I admit.
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Blind in one eye and cannot see out of the other.
Looked and did not see. :-[
Thanks (again)
I do use your technique when puzzled about entries, but I have to spot the correct entry.
I have always been like this %^(
Sleep well knowing you have come to the rescue again. ;)
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Glad to help anyone who transcribes so much more than I. :)
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Just for completeness, here is the function of snow vs. temperature (F).
Michael
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Map of the Voyage of the Concord. Jan 1892 on.
Only places are marked not the route. (it leaves to many line marks in the place list)
http://goo.gl/maps/4783v
Latest update, Stardate log date 24 Feb 1894.
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What a wonderful see-the-world cruise. Cool. 8)
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That's neat, Stuart 8)
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And don't forget that there are links to it in Geographical Help ;)
We
currently have topics for Alaska, Canada, Greenland, Russia and the US
(except Alaska). These account for most of our place names. However,
some captains seem to confuse port and starboard and find themselves in
the Caribbean Sea, off the coast of Africa or in Asia. The purpose of
this topic is to handle place names that do not fit in the currently
existing topics. Based on the information collected here, we may create
new topics.
You can use this topic to search for a place name in a region not covered by the other topics.
You
can also use this topic to ask for help with reading a place name or
locating the place in a region not covered by the other topics.
Give us a link to the log page(s) where it is mentioned (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1073.0) and tell us approximately where it occurs on the page(s).
Note: Place names include lighthouses.
If you have information about a place name or find a useful reference, please help everyone by contributing it to this topic.
When contributing place names, try to provide as many of the following as possible:
- Country
- Name in log
- Latitude
and Longitude (preferably in decimal format with a minimum of one
decimal place - two decimal places is the preferred format)
- Administrative division within the country
- Current name (if different)
- Link to more information
- Also, in case of problems, a link to the log page(s) where it is mentioned (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=1073.0) would be helpful
Don't
worry if you can't supply all the information. Your link to the page
will enable others to search for the missing information.
(You can save us even more work by using the template provided (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3637.msg63493#msg63493), but that is strictly optional.)
Topics
for regions where we have accumulated a significant number of place
names (but not yet created Reference/Discussion topics) are listed
below.
| Region
| Contributer(s) |
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| East Africa, Suez to Simonstown (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3747.0) | dorbel |
|
| China Station, Japan, Pacific and Indian Ocean (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3386.0) | Maikel, dorbel, Karijn, ... |
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| Icelandic and Faroese Place Names (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=2732.0) | Thursday Next |
|
| Latin American Place Names (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3754.0) | propriome, Randi, Pommy Stuart, ... |
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| Mediterranean and Black Sea Place Names (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3755.0) | Janet Jaguar, AvastMH, Randi |
Any
kind of geographical information in this topic is always welcome. A
Google Map covering a specific ship or area is a good example of a much
appreciated contribution. We will collect them here.
- The cruise of the USS Concord (http://goo.gl/maps/4783v) by Pommy Stuart
Philip Brohan's Place Names (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3761.0)
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The map is still a work in progress, adding dates and sorting places in correct order.
Most ports listed do not have lat/long.
Sorry
but if spent time looking for the data asked for below, doing the map,
fixing the Concord crew list (and a small amount on the Pioneer), then I
would not get any weather data done.
%^(
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;D
Anything is appreciated and useful!
I put the quote in not to ask for the extra data, but to 'advertise' Geographical Help ;D
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Got ya. ;)
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My current log book states it is 17 of 40.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_001_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_001_1.jpg)
I have been doing the Concord since it was released and started on book 11/40.
What happened to the first 10?
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I have passed the question on ;)
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Quick
answer is that the Navy recycled names for vessels, so volumes 1 thru
10 for USS CONCORD are the volumes for the first vessel of that name
launched 1828 until she ran aground Oct 2, 1842 in the Mozambique
Channel.
The USS CONCORD starting with volume 11 was the second
vessel of this name launched Mar 8 1890 and then decommissioned by the
Navy in 1909. This vessel cruised the waters of the North
Pacific/Arctic, and thus is rich with the meteorological and operational
data for this project.
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Thanks Mark and Randi.
Any chance of seeing a typical page from Concord mark 1 for interests sake.
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Like all of our logs, the originals are available at the National
Archives (I'm not sure which building or city.) We are the first
to see any of these digitized.
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I have noticed over the years that 'Servants' have been mentioned in the logs.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_029_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_029_1.jpg)
Exercised servants and marines in pulling boat. Is that like
taking the dogs out for exercise (salty dogs) %^)
Who are the servants as I have never seen a rating of servant.
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Yes, servants...
At 8:45 signalled to Petrel - Vis "To
Captain Emery - Lunch hour, to-day one oclock dinner 7:45 - Please bring
your servant with you" signed "Goodrich".
And I thought the U.S. was class free. ;D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_006_1.jpg
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Yes, servants...
...
And I thought the U.S. was class free. ;D
...
There is no such thing as a class free society - but in the US we are proud of earning the respect that goes with higher status.
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I know, Janet. Just funnin' yah! :)
M
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:)
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We went to Seattle to see your Cubs beat the Mariners on Saturday.
Who knows, one day their 104 year drought might come to an end!
M
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Bryce comes back tonight!
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We
went to Seattle to see your Cubs beat the Mariners on Saturday. Who
knows, one day their 104 year drought might come to an end!
M
north side Chicagoans always have that hope.
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From the log-books of U.S.S. Yorktown
06-06-1891 - 8 a.m. to meridian:
By
order of the Secretary of the Navy C. Andrade U.S.N. was detached for
duty on a Board of Investigation on board the U.S.S. "Concord".
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Yorktown/vol005of040_jpg_clean/vol005of040_178_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Yorktown/vol005of040_jpg_clean/vol005of040_178_1.jpg)
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All crew please report on board, sober, if possible.
Departing for Unalaska 15:00 hrs, 16 May 1894.
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Stuart,
That should be challenge and a half.
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I think someone forgot to fill the wet bulb glass as the readings for 4 hrs say 'Dry' in the wet column.
17 May 1894.
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20 May 1894, surface water temp fell 5 degrees between 4am to 5am.
Location, 42.950000, 151.900000
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We crossed the date line going eastward on 27 May 1894 and had Groundhog Day again. ;D
(27th x 2)
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Hi,
I'm new here and have no idea about sailin' and stuff so I thought I just ask.
First,
in the weather logs like
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_049_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_049_0.jpg),
do I need to include the '' for the bar height? So is it 30''06
or is 30 06 alright?
Also, are the Temperatures in the wrong column?
Meaning what is written under "ther att'd" is supposed to be dry Air
temp, what is written under dry Air temp is actually wet air temp... How
do I digitalis that, in the column where it's supposed to be or in the
one it is written in? Does that sentence make any sense?
Second,
the much more entertaining Miscellaneous Events of the day as in
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_048_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_048_1.jpg).
If several names are mentioned together, like
"O.
Sundblad and L. Abbot leaving ship without permission and brought off
dead drunk. 5 days solitary confinement on bread and water each"
do I digitalis them together or do I make one entry for every name.
Also, what kind of penalty is 3rd class? As in
G. Twiss (~) tight from liberty - 3rd class
Hope someone knows the answers...
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Hi,
I'm new here and have no idea about sailin' and stuff so I thought I just ask.
Welcome, s-a-be! We are a forum group that loves answering questions.
First, I'd recommend you look at our Library: Reference Desk
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=26.0) board. The
transcriptions are somewhat complex and we have accumulated a lot of
knowledge and advice over the last few years. Transcription Help
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3853.0) is an index we
tried to make most helpful to beginners. Feel free to ask more
questions. :)
First,
in the weather logs like
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_049_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_049_0.jpg),
do I need to include the '' for the bar height? So is it 30''06
or is 30 06 alright?
Also, are the Temperatures in the wrong column?
Meaning what is written under "ther att'd" is supposed to be dry Air
temp, what is written under dry Air temp is actually wet air temp... How
do I digitalis that, in the column where it's supposed to be or in the
one it is written in? Does that sentence make any sense?
The English spelling of the process is "digitalize".
There
are in fact 2 different dry air thermometers when the ship is using a
mercurial barometer. The attached thermometer is inside the
chartroom actually attached to the barometer itself. The temp
inside that room affects the expansion of the mercury and is needed for
calculating true barometric pressure. The "air dry bulb" is
outside the room, measuring the dry air temp of the weather. As is
the "air wet bulb" thermometer, which is used to calculate relative
humidity.
Second,
the much more entertaining Miscellaneous Events of the day as in
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_048_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_048_1.jpg).
If several names are mentioned together, like
"O.
Sundblad and L. Abbot leaving ship without permission and brought off
dead drunk. 5 days solitary confinement on bread and water each"
do I digitalis them together or do I make one entry for every name.
Your
choice as to whether to give one or both names - I tend to use the
mention box to enter the sentence in "contex" and then copy/paste the
names in "name", or (equally valid) type the name in "name" and the rest
of the sentence in context. (See attached picture.)
Also, what kind of penalty is 3rd class? As in
G. Twiss (~) tight from liberty - 3rd class
Hope someone knows the answers...
"G. Twiss (oiler) tight from liberty - 3rd class"
"Oiler"
is his job title and the log keeper forgot to add "3rd class" to that
title and so stuck it on afterwards - when not drunk and disorderly, G.
Twiss is an oiler, 3rd class.
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I believe the pressure is written as 30.06 rather than 30''06.
I would transcribe it as 30.06
It is not unusual for the water temperature column to be left blank - especially when the ship is in port.
Since
you found this topic, I assume that you also found Concord --
Reference: Transcription Example and Log Description
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3319.msg53751#msg53751)
"O.
Sundblad and L. Abbot leaving ship without permission and brought off
dead drunk. 5 days solitary confinement on bread and water each"
I would do this as two, but you can copy the context
Mentions | Person | Name = O. Sundblad Context = leaving ship without permission and brought off dead drunk. 5 days solitary confinement on bread and water each
Mentions | Person | Name = L. Abbot Context = leaving ship without permission and brought off dead drunk. 5 days solitary confinement on bread and water each
O.
Sundblad and L. Abbot leaving ship without permission and brought off
dead drunk. 5 days solitary confinement on bread and water each would also be correct for context.
O. Sundblad seems to be mentioned fairly often in the log ::)
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For crew members, see
Concord -- Current Crew Lists (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3396.0)
and
Concord - Crew that have left the ship. (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3750.0)
The first list shows that G. Twiss was 1st class Fireman in 1892
The 3'rd class might mean that his punishment was being reduced in rank (disrated).
Janet's explanation seems more likely in this case ;)
I think it is G. Twiss (oiler)
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Hi, Randi. :)
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I think the word you want is digitize (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/digitize)
(digitalize (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/digitalize) is generally something different)
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Hi, Janet. ;D
As you can see, we are eager to answer questions! ::)
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Hi,
Thanks so much for all the answers. And for the English
lesson. It's not my first language... And I know that's a crappy excuse
but it's the only one I have.
Anyway, I'm gonna give every drunk crew member his own entry and digitize a few more pages. It's kind of fun to read their story
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Welcome to the forum family!
Several of our top transcribers
do not have English as a first language. Patience is far more important!
Also, with so many sailing and navy terms, even those of us who are
native speakers have problems.
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Welcome s-a-be this is your Captain pommystuart.
I am sure your English is a lot better than my ability with your language.
If
you would like your town (not address) placed on our 'People' map them
please let me know. http://goo.gl/maps/Z2IsJ (http://goo.gl/maps/Z2IsJ)
I
also keep a map of the voyage so if you want to know where we have been
(or are going to if I am ahead of your entry dates) then check out
http://goo.gl/maps/4783v (http://goo.gl/maps/4783v)
I am afraid
you will find my crew a bit of a rowdy bunch who do seem to like their
drinks, are cheeky to the officers and cannot remember the time at which
to get back to the ship.
A typical line of weather data on the Concord (they do vary from ship to ship) is
1
(hour), NE (wind dir), 1.2 (force [between 1 and 2]), 29.58 (B,Height),
60 (Ther att), 40 (dry,) 39 (wet,) 35 (sea), ocm (weather), cir cum
(clouds) 8 (prop of clouds)
As mentioned the Sea temp if not recorded in port.
Location numbers separate with a space.
56 37 N 154 20 W
Mr
Twiss (the oiler, he keeps the engines oiled) was reduced in rank (and
pay) to 3 class for being drunk (tight is a polite description, you will
find other words for drunk in the logs).
As for the Misc pages,
you can put in what ever interests you. You do not have to enter
anything if you do not want to, but anything you find on the page that
will fit in the tabs such as animals, Refuel etc is useful to the
historians. One of the crew member likes to enter the data about ships
we meet, I am making a map in google about where we go and a crew
movement list (who joins and who gets kicked off etc).
Good luck, and please do not do more than you enjoy.
Stuart.
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well-oiled can mean drunk (Informal) ;)
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/well-oiled
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well-oiled can mean drunk (Informal) ;)
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/well-oiled
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Interesting comment, at an angle mid page.
"Leap of opportunity"
Nobody was jumping ship that day, (for a change). ;)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_076_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_076_0.jpg)
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???
You just gotta wonder -
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"At anchor Kadiak Island and cruising off and on coast." :o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_077_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_077_0.jpg)
The navigator will get a severe reprimand if I catch him. >:(
Please just stay off the coast not ON it.
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;D
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Not to spoil the fun, but I make that as "Lack of Opportunity".
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I had also read it as Lack of Opportunity - to make the deviation measurement.
(and didn't understand why you mentioned it)
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Lack of opportunity it will be.
Sometimes you see what you want, not what is there.
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Lack before you leap (from the Concord), eh?
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:P ;D
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The pressure for the Concord was an inch high for the entire day of
19 June. It was around 29.65" on the 18th, 30.65" on the 19th and then
29.70 on the 20th. I'm sure Philip's software will catch the jump, but
...
Michael
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Ooops. Forgot the year for that pressure jump: 19 June 1894.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_084_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_085_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_086_0.jpg
Michael
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A little side distraction on the Concord.
23/07/1894
4 to 8 AM. The Corwin landed a search party at 4:39 to look for missing seamen.
8
AM to Meridian. At 8:15 landed 2nd Division under charge of Naval Cadet
Potter, to assist in the search for lost seamen from "Corwin".
8 PM to Midnight. Search party returned at 9.00 PM short one man, O.A. Anderson (seaman) who is missing.
24/07/1894
Commences and until 4 AM. Kept after light burning until 3:30 AM as a signal for the men missing from this ship and the "Corwin"
4
? 8 AM. Sent a party of men in charge of Lieut Merriam, with Lieut
Luiper, Ensigns Johnston and Everhart & ~ Looks like somebody
Willis (on this page) who is not on my crew list?
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_128_1.jpg)
to search for the missing men from the "Corwin" and this vessel.
Merid to 4 PM. O.A. Anderson (sea) and one man from the "Corwin"were found and returned to the ship.
25/07/1894
4
AM to 8 AM. Search party of about 100 went on board the "Corwin" at
6.30 in charge of Lieuts Merriam and Leiper, Ensigns Johnston and
Everhart and Naval Cadet Wells.
Merid to 4 PM. At 12.50 Hans Hansen,
the lost seaman from the "Corwin" appeared on the beach, sent a boat for
him and brought him on board.
8PM to Midnight. Captain and all officers and men of the search party returned from the "Corwin"
26/07/1894
8AM to Meridian. Transferred Hans Hansen the seaman who had been lost to the ?Corwin?
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That's a later voyage of the Corwin that we don't have yet. Ours was in 1881. I wonder if we will get those logs?
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I have examples from Nov 1892 and May 1897, so hopefully we will have 1894.
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All of the remaining Corwin logs in the collection have been imaged
and are in the q at OWHQ. Goes up to 1900 or so as I recall.
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Must have been a party for the apprentices.
Nine (9) on report for not going to signal drill.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_145_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_145_1.jpg)
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When / if you come across it the letter that looks like a 'N' at
11pm in the State of weather column on page
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_161_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_161_0.jpg)
is probably an 'r' as on page
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_162_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_162_0.jpg)
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Thanks!
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You picked it Randi, I just copying to this post.
Thanks.
%^)
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When we hit Korea (late Sept) watch the spellings of where we are.
The same place name is listed as any of the following,
CHEMULPO
CHEMULPHO
CHEMUEPHO
and both KOREA AND COREA.
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"We're no longer in Kansas, Toto."
I'd guess 90% of humanity can't spell the names of truly foreign places.
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Hi Janet.
I agree BUT, I have not been moored off the port for the last few weeks.
Thank god we don't have to write 인천항
By the way, where is cansas?
%^)
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Can anybody help with the State of weather, AM?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_212_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_212_0.jpg)
Looks like bm but log indicates clear.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_212_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_212_1.jpg)
Thought w for dew but other w's look different with no decender.
Suggestions please as it is the same all morning.
TIA.
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By the way, where is cansas?
%^)
Kansas, Wizard of Oz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wonderful_Wizard_of_Oz) style:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-yPlBRhE4cw8/TeGtW2CJh7I/AAAAAAAAAcY/KnbhFcGddZI/s1600/AA.jpg)
Not-Kansas,Wizard of Oz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wizard_of_Oz_(1939_film)) style:
(http://celluloidpopculturejunkie.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/large_wizard_of_oz_blu-ray5x.jpg)
Toto:
(http://www.wizardofozpictures.com/images/toto/toto1.JPG)
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Can you see the face in the rock (bottom right) on the Not Kansas pic or is it just my imagination?
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Stuart,
bm is fine. 0-2 Oktas of cloud with mist. The mist isn't obscuring the sky.
Michael
Can anybody help with the State of weather, AM?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_212_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_212_0.jpg)
Looks like bm but log indicates clear.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_212_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_212_1.jpg)
Thought w for dew but other w's look different with no decender.
Suggestions please as it is the same all morning.
TIA.
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It's there. All the times I've seen that movie with my dad, we
never noticed. None of those rocks were ever anything but rocks,
but Disney was very good at making the scenery add to the unreal feeling
of being somewhere magical. Dad told me, all the Oz scenes were
the very first color movie he'd ever seen as a boy in 1939. Going
from the standard black-and-white Kansas to Technicolor Oz was truly
magical.
Sorry I got distracted and forgot your writing-help request.
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With so much news about bullying, I just ran across this on the Concord, 19 Sept 1894:
The
Captain awarded the following punishment:- C. E. Spratley (M. Attd.)
"Imitating W. R. Steward, making fun and threatening remarks to him," 3
days solitary confinement on bread and water.
However, when making fun of the ship the previous day:
W. Irving (1 C. Wr.) "Calling ship a Ballahoo" 3 mos. quarantine.
Michael
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I'm glad they don't tolerate bullying. But it doesn't surprise
me that the ship underneath them that supports them all is considered
more important than the officers.
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So true - as an example, please see The Trouble With Tribbles :D
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So true - as an example, please see The Trouble With Tribbles :D
;D
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As far as I know/understand there is nothing wrong with a Ballahoo:
A fast-sailing schooner, used in the Bermudas and West Indies. (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Ballahoo)
HMS Ballahoo (1804) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Ballahoo_%281804%29)
:-\ :-\ :-\
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28 Oct 1894.
The Commander read to the assembled officers and
crew a letter from the Hon. Sec'y of the Treasury to the Hon Sec'y of
the Navy thanking and commending the Officers and Crew of this ship for
their exertions in searching for and their rescue of a seaman of the
USRC "Corwin" lost on Adakh Id, Alaska last summer from a hunting party.
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I just joined OW after reading the article in Discover magazine.
It's interesting!
And while the weather reports are rather boring as the ship sits in port in Korea, I did record a thunderstorm!
I'm learning some history as well. The crew of the Concord is
keeping especially close eye on the Japanese navy - recording ships as
they come and go and whether or not they are carrying troops or
armaments. They don't do the same thing with the Royal Navy or the
Spanish navy.
I noticed some racism as the watch describes the
"small Korean boys" that came onboard to help with the scraping and
painting.
The crew seems to like Korea. The captain went ashore to Seoul and two of the crew went AWOL for a few days.
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Welcome Jay,
I find the history bits very
interesting, too. I find I end up checking Mr. Wiki about the various
wars, battles and other engagements. I had no idea about the Japanese
Army in Korea in 1894, and the effect it had on the Chinese, their
defeat being a catalyst for a series of revolutions and political
changes led by Sun Yat-Sen and others. Just wait, though, because in
January 1898, Concord returns to the Asiatic Station, and joins Admiral
George Dewey's fleet for 1 May 1898 Battle of Manila Bay, a decisive
American victory over the Spanish Fleet in the Spanish?American War.
After the battle, Concord supports United States Army operations in the
Philippines in the Philippine?American War.
Michael
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Hi Jay.
Glad to have you on board.
The 'Small Korean boys' were probably used to clean the tighter areas of the ship that the regular fat sailors could not get to.
Make the most of it Jay we get De-commissioned on 04 Nov 1909.
Map of the Voyage of the Concord. Jan 1892 on.
Only places are marked not the route. (it leaves to many line marks in the place list)
http://goo.gl/maps/4783v
If you would like your town (not address) placed on our 'People' map them please let me know. http://goo.gl/maps/Z2IsJ
Captain Pommystuart.
Stuart.
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I read the Wikipedia article about the Concord to learn
more about her. Knowing what's going to happen to her as we transcribe
the logs is like peeking at the last page of a mystery.
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Hi Jay, I see that you are in good hands! ;D
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From the Concord moored off the French Concession in Shanghai, China, 3 November 1894:
A signal on shore said wind would be from N.E. for following 24 hrs.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_030_1.jpg
The
winds from 8 A.M. to midnight were generally WNW, or NW. Light in the
morning, force 5 in the early afternoon diminishing to Force three by
midnight, becoming West force 2 by 8 A.M. the next morning.
Out 90 degrees in direction with a force 5. We would have issued an amendment! ;D
Michael
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So Chicagoans aren't the first to complain the weather forecasters don't get it right? :o ::)
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As someone who was a weather forecaster for 40 years, I never met
anyone who didn't complain about the forecasts! (Even, sometimes, if
they were right!!) :'(
M
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Blame it on the weather, Michael. It's the one thing everyone
can complain about without offending anyone. (Even the forecasters
don't make it.) :P
To be fair to Chicago forecasters,
they are usually excellent on the first 24 hours, good 48 hours out, and
are usually very vague on purpose 72 hours out; it's the fault of Lake
Michigan. It is constantly generating its own lake-effect weather
that fights with every system moving in from the plains. The
outcome changes everything, in unpredictable ways.
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24 Dec 1894.
Hello, Hello what's going on here.
Merry Christmas present?
Comdr
J.E. Craig in obedience to the Departments orders of Oct. 31, 1894,
relieved Comdr C.F. Goodrich, U.S.N. as Commanding Officer of this
vessel. By order of Comdr Goodrich all persons previously rated by him
were this day disrated and were again rated by order of Comdr Craig.
What's with the rating / disrating bit?
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Kevin explained that. :)
It
could be that there is a standard billet list for the ship - in today's
merchant marine it is the official manning document that is part of the
certificate of inspection. So a ship has to have, say, one master,
three mates, 4 ABs and 8 ordinary seamen... So you hire the only
guy you have to fill the OS billet and then promote him to his usual
rating and pay. In fact, now that I think about it I sailed on more than
one occasion in a billet two levels below grade but was paid my usual
rate as chief officer or whatever it was. This was because the person
who was supposed to sail as 3rd was not able to make it and I was asked
to make a 'pier-head leap' as its called.
On
paper in port, they must fill all the low rated berths, if they hire
over-qualified sailors (nice on a science ship) then they wait til the
paper is filed and then raise their pay to meet their real
qualifications.
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Hi Janet.
Prompt reply :)
There were red changes on the complement list but that was back in June 93..
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_005_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_005_0.jpg)
This
was not the situation Kevin was on about and which I can understand,
these looked like they got their own job back no promotions or
demotions.
Looked ahead till 1 Jan 1895 and no mention of changes in ratings. Strange,
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In this case I wonder under what orders the commanding officer was
relieved > routine or for cause? If the latter the bureaucracy may
have considered his actions somehow less than valid and therefore
required his ratings to be reviewed and redone by the new commander.
Sort of like when the Chief Justice of the US flubbed his lines at a
certain ceremony a few years ago.
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Thanks Kevin!
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Thanks Kevin, if you find out please let me / us know.
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The were a lot of demotions while the ship was in Seoul. Maybe the
new captain wants to make nice and have a Christmas amnesty.
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That is correct Jay.
I often wonder how long the de-rating goes
on for as you rarely see promoted back notes. There must be an awfully
large number of 4th class ratings on the ship by now.
Christmas has passed on the ship for me but Happy Christmas to all of the crew.
New Year in a few days.
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You people in Australia get to celebrate everything earlier than the
rest of us. Usually you're just a day ahead, but now you're at least a
month ahead!!!! ;)
Michael
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Hi Michael.
Happy New Year (1895).
I am going on a 3 week holiday to Antartica and peru in November. :D
Got to make sure I am not usurped whilst I am away. :P
Keep up the good work crew.
Stuart.
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Stuart,
We haven't booked our flights yet, but
we plan to leave on or around Oct 17 for Sydney to see a couple of wee
Australian relatives, returning in early Nov. I will let you know when
the dates are firm. You won't have to worry about me catching up,
because I will be off duty for a couple of weeks, too. Perhaps we can
share a beer or wine, if there's any worth drinking in that
country. ;D
Michael
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Look forward to seeing you.
As long as you don't want Fosters beer most others are drinkable.
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Nice to have friends in high places. From 13 Dec. 1894, anchored of Wuhu on the Yangtse River:
Received
on board as a gift from H. E. the Taotai to the Commanding Officer the
following:- 4 chests of tea, 2 jars of wine, 40 chickens and 10 sheep.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_070_1.jpg
Michael
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The lamb was nice. ;D
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Opps.
02/02/1895
4PM - 8PM. Lt. Hogg returned from a
shooting trip to Second Island and reported that a chinaman had been
accidentally shot by C.H. Bullock, ap 1 C, who returned with Lieut Hogg
and that the natives were holding B.H. Shepley Ap 1 C, one of the party
and refused to give him up. * Lt Prime, Lt Hogg and a party of seven
Marines left the ship with a Chinese Interpreter to explain that
whatever cause of complaint the matter would be settled properly by the
U.S. Consul through the Taotai, in the steam launch for the scene of the
trouble at 5.25. No perceptible current. * Besides
B.H. Shepley Ap1C, Lieut W.A. Gill and Ass't Engr J.B. Patton of the
shooting party were on the Island when Lt. Hogg left it.
03/02/1895.
4AM to 8AM.
At
6.40 Lieutenant M. Johnston left the ship on duty to make arrangements
for communicating with the shooting party still absent at Second Island.
8AM to Meridian.
Ensign
M. Johnston returned on board at 9.00 AM having set on foot through the
U.S. Consul the securing of a government steam launch to establish
communication with our steam launch and party still absent at Second
Island - about 9 miles down the river. The steam launch with all
absentees safe and sound returned at 10:45.
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Did they every say how serious the injury was? That is a very hard way to make friends.
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No idea. Read ahead a week or so and no further mention of the chinaman.
It was spelt with a small 'c'
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Thanks, odd to be worrying about that so many years later.
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I find it interesting, since we're looking into the future, that the Concord was saluting the Spanish ship Don Juan de Austria in Seoul and then a few years later, both ships will be at Manila Bay as combatants on opposing sides.
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Hi Jay, good to see you here!
On one of my RN ships during WWI we had a Japanese Navy band on board and visits from Japanese officers.
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For some unknown reason the ships writer has started to make entries like '2 to 3' in the wind force column.
I have entered 2.3. (Will change it if told to.)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_137_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_137_0.jpg)
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When I was on HMS Grafton in WW1, they mentioned several Japanese
destroyers, a flotilla of which worked with the Royal Navy in the
Mediterranean. From Wiki, source of all knowledge... Japan, an ally of
Great Britain, sent a total of 14 destroyers to the Mediterranean
starting in April 1917. The Japanese ships were very effective in patrol
and anti-submarine activity.
Michael
Hi Jay, good to see you here!
On one of my RN ships during WWI we had a Japanese Navy band on board and visits from Japanese officers.
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For some unknown reason the ships writer has started to make entries like '2 to 3' in the wind force column.
I have entered 2.3. (Will change it if told to.)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_137_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_137_0.jpg)
Stuart,
I usually use a dash for 'to', to avoid confusion with decimals.
But it really doesn't matter as "2.3" is right in the middle of
"2-3". Truly the same data.
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Janet. The writers usually uses 2.5 or 6-4 etc depending who is writing, just those few were funny. Go figure.
Michael.
Quote
"The Japanese ships were very effective in patrol and anti-submarine activity."
Unquote.
Not
so bad at mini submarine activity also, re Sydney Harbour episode
although though they could have sharpened up their aiming a bit.
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I think a decimal point, unless that is clearly what the log keeper wrote, is a bad idea.
To me that means the value 2 and 3 tenths rather than the range 2 to 3.
I would either write out to or use a dash.
the nitpicker ;D
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I thought it would upset the software as it is the only time I have seen 'x to y'.
I
thought I saw somewhere very early in my OW to use a decimal point for
the decimal or - symbols and have done so for a long time.
Will change those three entries back to 'x to y'
By the way, would suggest you bring 'Chinese Take Aways' on board for a while.
Jackson A.E. Ward Room cook - repeated careless cooking, 8 hrs extra duty.
(I hope not served in the galley.)
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Concord, Chinkiang, Yangtsi River, China
Anybody know what they were celebrating 22 Feb 1895? Not Chinese New Year or Zhonghe Festival.
"The officers of the ship held an entertainment on board in honor of the day"
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George Washington. It's nice to have a February holiday. We don't have one.
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Although in my lifetime, we eliminated doing G.Washington's and
A.Lincoln's birthdays separately and combine the celebrations in one
"Presidents' Day" (first Monday between Feb. 12th and Feb. 22nd.)
Unless you live in Illinois, "the Land of Lincoln", when Feb. 12th stays
on the calendar.
And yes, a February holiday is very nice, that's when the winter blues usually set in.
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"They don't build them like they used to"
We have been moored
around the Yangtse River. China. for about 6 months, quite a bit
of that time was getting repair and we are only 4 yrs old.
Maybe the crew prefer Chinese food rather then their cook food,
Jackson A.E. Ward Room cook - repeated careless cooking, 8 hrs extra duty.
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As you may know, I have been concerned by the occasional reports of
snow with dry bulb and wet bulb temperatures like 40/40. I have also
been concerned by what seems, to me, to be wet bulbs that seem to be
higher than one would expect. Here may be the answer:
4 to 8 A.M.
Weather
cold, temperature by dry bulb thermometer under the poop recording 10
degrees higher than the air on poop deck, probably owing to the
sheltered position and the heated air from steerage hatch.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_129_1.jpg
Reports of snow that day here and on the Miscellaneous Events page above:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_129_0.jpg
The science team would love to see this, I'm sure.
Michael
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I'll pass it along to Philip and Kevin.
Thanks for noting this!
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That's very interesting, thanks.
From an atmospheric science
perspective, what we'd really like to measure is what the air
temperature would have been if the ship wasn't there - that's the bulk
air temperature for the region and that's what tells us about the
weather. As that measurement is impossible, instead we try and
understand what effect the ship had on the measurement and try to allow
for it - there is quite a bit of ongoing research on this point,
particularly by Dave Berry and Liz Kent in Southampton (e.g.
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/1520-0426%282004%29021%3C1198%3AAAMOHE%3E2.0.CO%3B2)
But all that work is statistical - it's great to see an actual reference to this in the logs.
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I assume the engine from the Cumulus would be the main
source of heat? Notwithstanding the open hatch in Michael's
example, I suppose not much of a correction would be required for an old
sailing ship like the Jamestown 1845, except perhaps for imprecise
instruments. I know the Jamestown was following the Constitution for a
long time in the Mediterranean. It would be good if we could transcribe
her logs too, and get a second set of readings.
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The biggest problem is usually that the sun heats the ship more than
the surrounding sea (ships have a lower heat capacity than sea-water),
but ship internal heat can also be a problem (from fires and engines)
especially in the Arctic.
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Concord 24 Feb 1895.
Temperatures
of wet and dry bulb thermometer were taken after 9AM by the psychometer
which was transferred from underneath the beak of the poop to the
mizzen mast.
I thought it might be a good idea to have this in both places ;)
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13 Mar 1895.
" A Chinese Alphabetical Gunboat anchored about 1 mile below this ship"
Did not realise the Yangtze was that deep. ;D
See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat-iron_gunboat
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat-iron_gunboat) for more on
Alphabetical Gunboats.
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I'm
not sure where this question goes, so please forgive if this has been
answered a million times already. I'm working on the Concord:
I have run into a number of pages lately that have a piece of another page laying across them.
On
the weather observation page, I go ahead and just do the hours I can
completely see and leave what is covered by the paper. Sometimes it's
the comment page and there seems to be one entire "watch" stuck in, partly covering the original.
Seeings as these seem to be getting more numerous, I thought I'd better ask. :)
The
basic problem is the resulting need for duplication. It can take
several forms or variations depending on what extra something is there.
At
heart, the log is a bound book and the scanner photographing it looks
down and takes a single picture of both open pages. Then a
computer cuts the picture in half so we only have to work with one at a
time - that's the xxx_0.jpg and xxx_1.jpg in the picture urls.
That is also why it is perfectly safe to have the date on one page and
the location on the next - the two are forever joined at the hip and
each data is easy to apply to both.
Whenever an additional sheet of paper is included, 2 broad pictures have to be taken, and then cut in half.
The
first pair will have the left-hand page exposed (page A) and the face
of the inclusion blocking part of the right-hand page (page B).
The
second pair will have the back of the inclusion blocking part of the
left-hand page (page C), and the right-hand page clear (page D).
Accepted
procedure is to do all the weather on page A, anything on the inclusion
face that is of interest on B and nothing else save the date/location
at the top, anything on the inclusion back that is of interest on C and
nothing else save the date/location at the top, and everything on
page D. Do NOT feel any need to transcribe any content
twice. If for example the back of the sheet is blank, transcribing
page C in entirety might consist of a single click of "I'm finished
with this page"
Clearly, especially when more than one page is
included, life creates many variations on this depending on both the men
who inserted the extra paper and the scanner operators creating an
error. Can you let us see an example not covered by this default
procedure? Posting Links and Images (A Guide)
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=536.0)
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Hi Nestlegrass.
Good to see you solved your Ghost problem and seem to be transcribing again.
You will find a lot of the 'added sheets' in this log book. It has not been common till this book.
As you will have found, 'if in doubt ask' we are always willing to help or seek help for you.
Stuart.
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Hi Nestlegrass,
I'm glad Firefox is working for you!
When
you are wondering if you will see the same page later correctly, you
can look ahead using: How to look at log pages before and after the one
you are working on
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3489.msg62863#msg62863)
However,
keep in mind that we need three transcriptions per page and there are
multiple transcribers, so don't worry if you don't get a page. Someone
else has done it.
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WHAT!!! What I am doing is not important because others will pick up my slack??!!! >:(
(Just
kidding . . . ) It is as I thought and I have been doing the logical
thing, but after the 4th page showed up . . . I thought I'd better ask.
After all, there could be Special Protocol. (Never use words you can't
spell!!)
Thank you again, People. May the Swartz be will you . . . ;D
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Link . . . I hope.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_163_0.jpg
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ah, the Swartz - a powerful force in the Galaxy!
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Yep, purely standard insert.
Do your weather on http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_162_0.jpg (page A)
Do
the 4pm to Midnight watches on
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_162_1.jpg
(page B)
Skip this by immediately pressing "I'm finished with
this page," blank back sides count for nothing
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_163_0.jpg
(page C)
Do the commences until 4pm watches on
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_163_1.jpg
(page D)
And remember, page headings are mandatory but comments
are optional, the weather readings are what the funding is paying
for. Although many of us do the weather readings just to get to
the history. :)
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Look out Stuart!
murkwuite is now in the top 12!
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On the Concord, we aim for quality not quantity! ;D
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:o
Are we ever going to get more than 2 ratings.
Some may be happy with a specific rating and not look to depose me. ;)
Hi Murkwuite, welcome aboard.
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Look again, you've now got 3 ratings - all of them different.
We'll have a post an average on the Vessels Page. ;)
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Clarification. I meant crew ratings.
I can only see Captain and Lieutenant. ?
__________
The poll shows 3 votes and 2 people have voted.
Why the chance to vote for up to 2 levels?
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There is also Cadet.
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Forgot that one, as it usually does not show on the list.
I would like to promote MAPurves to Commander but I cannot and a few others to Ensign.
I think Star Rating 1 (very easy) should be kept for type transcripts.
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I think Star Rating 1 (very easy) should be kept for type transcripts.
I was wondering about that myself. However, if we did that we would have no easy ships at the moment.
We are getting some typed logs and we will try to highlight them.
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Clarification. I meant crew ratings.
I can only see Captain and Lieutenant. ?
__________
The poll shows 3 votes and 2 people have voted.
Why the chance to vote for up to 2 levels?
That
in itself is the average of what the 3 moderators wanted. We could see
someone equivocating, thinking a ship between 1 and 2, or mostly
2-stars, but also wanting to click the 5th choice to describe the
sections that are not 2-stars. Et cetera. We also wanted to
see this be easy on us to read. Intelligent folks like us are
unlikely to have only simplified opinions.
As to Crew Ratings,
the simplified 2-rank formula dates back to the infancy of OW in
2010. There have been debates ever since about adding complexity -
did I say we intelligent folks are unlikely to have only simplified
opinions? - but no one yet has convinced the software creators who have
to spend all the time creating the new system.
If you can come up with convincing ways to get everyone agreeing, please do. ;D
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I am only a simple person, I need simple choices. %^)
Over and out, back to Transcribing my 1/2/3 star log. ;D
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Concord 27 March 1895.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_203_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_203_1.jpg)
Edmond Kelly C.P. Fell overboard and is supposed to have drowned as a thorough search which was made for him was unsuccessful.
Later reported on that day as being 'Absent without permission'.
This posting may be a bit premature here
Further
to this,
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_207_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_207_1.jpg)
and
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_208_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_208_1.jpg)
and
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_209_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_209_1.jpg)
(Also posted in US Death post.)
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We have been in China for so long now getting repairs done, maybe
they should have had the Concord built there and saved the expense of
sailing it over in the first place? %^)
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Currency fluctuation or just worthless crew?
Reward money has gone down from $10 to $9.90, now it is only $9.58 per person.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_226_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_226_1.jpg)
Next page stated $20 Mex offered for return. the $9.58 has no country so I assume it is US$
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I wish this new writer would break a finger. I have never seem so many additional pages in any log book since I joined OW.
Like
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_265_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_265_1.jpg)
It is just this log book, so far, new one coming up in a few days.
Fingers crossed.
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That is obsessive compulsive. All those finicky course changes
are already recorded in the table on the weather page. Most
officers in both places would say, "course various as required for
entering harbor." Maybe he'll get bored?
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All recorded in the same hand, but signed by a pack of ensigns? They must have signed on a new yeoman of the ledger-domain.
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All recorded in the same hand, but signed by a pack of ensigns? They must have signed on a new yeoman of the ledger-domain.
;D ;D
If
he was just copying out the 'clean' copy, he must have been voicing
distinct opinions of the wordy officer who obsessed on detail.
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They seem to be spruiking more since the new Commander came on board. (J.E. Craig).
Another
example of long windedness, whilst technically correct it contains the
longest description of the transfers that I have ever seen , bla, bla,
bla, ect. %^)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol019of040/vol019of040_004_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol019of040/vol019of040_004_1.jpg)
The log book contains 366_1.jpg page entries. This is going to be a long one.
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An interesting exchange between U.S.S. Yorktown, just arrived from
Nagasaki to Shanghai and the Concord: The following official
wigwag signal was made by "Yorktown," Is it safe to send Japanese
Stewards ashore, - we answered by same code, yes, but not to visit
native city.
Michael
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Sorry, forgot to give the date and log page: 17 April 1895
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_242_1.jpg
M
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The entry on 20/04/1995 (Noon-4PM watch)
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_249_1.jpg)
says: "[...] hoisted International GQWT, the ship's number [...]". I
don't know if this is a known fact, so I'm posting it here. I didn't
know about it, but it strikes me as interesting that they felt it needed
to be explained in the log.
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Hi. Sebastian,
I think the flags were G.L.D.T. (don't know what
it stands for.) See W in NNW @ 1am on page
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_248_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_248_0.jpg)
and
L as in Lieutenant 8-mer on page
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_250_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_250_1.jpg)
I
have seen your W before and it is a D. a previous entry which I thought
was W.W. but was told it was D. A crew member was D.D which turned out
to Discharged Dead.
See last line
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_212_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_212_1.jpg)
Don't forget the Misc pages are optional but if you see something that interests you then please enter it.
Unless
you have an interest in routine signal flags, I would bother entering
it on the Misc data page. (sorry Historians, but he would be there for
ever with this ship) %^(
You will find this log is full of
'extra' information, most of it is (IMHO) only of importance to the
person who wrote it. (ducking for cover now)
Michael (MAPurves) and myself are doing all the crew changes so no need for you to do them.
See
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3396.msg55395#msg55395
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3396.msg55395#msg55395)
and
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3750.msg66595#msg66595
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3750.msg66595#msg66595)
Please keep up the good work and enjoy the ship.
Pommy Stuart.
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A misspelling makes for a funny remark and I couldn't help but smile
at the image it conveys (not that I am a perfect typist, so I'm like
the person living in a greenhouse throwing rocks);
A Japanese man-of-war lying here was taken in two by a tug and towed to the dry dock.
4 to 8 A.M.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_257_1.jpg
Michael
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A Japanese man-of-war lying here was taken in two by a tug and towed to the dry dock.
Yep,
that was funny. I considered for a moment if that was some nautical
term, but the two words are too close to each other. Looks like we both
were just working on the same page. Are you transcribing these whole
texts, or just picking Mentions, as I do?
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Hello Captain,
Where is the list of officers? The red "Here"
in your last mail only directs to this very same page. In particular, I
was looking for the following two people (from 26/04/1995 (Noon-4PM
watch)
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_260_1.jpg)),
which I can't find on this page:
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One frequent Mention is who stood watch at the dynamo. Why do they single out that person by name almost each time?
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Quoting from Reply #6 immediately before you (I can't retain the excel table structure here):
Prime
E.S. Lieutenant Reported on board
as relief for Lieut Commander E.P.Wood 24 May 1893. Relieved E.P. Wood
as Executive Officer 26 May 1893. Transferred to naval Hospital New York
7 Aug 1893. Reported on board at Yokohama Japan as Exec officer 10 Jan
1894. Shown in log book as having joined 18 June 1894.
McClurg W.A. Surgeon Reported for duty 20 June 1893.
When
the lists are that long, it helps to use your browser search function
to search for any consecutive letters you can read, such as "McC"
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At a guess, then they officially know who to blame if something goes wrong.
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Thanks! That's strange; I don't know why I didn't find them with the browser's search feature. ???
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Hmm, I can imagine a lot of things going wrong on a gunboat, but the
dynamo doesn't seem to particularly stand out. But what do I know about
gunboats?!
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This ship seem to have a lot going wrong with it considering it is only 4 yrs old.
%^(
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Sebastian,
About the dynamo first... one of
several apprentices have been in the dynamo room from 8 - 11 PM each
night for instruction. S. B. Thompson seems to be the first one to have
completed his training and they noted his first couple of shifts that he
worked on his own. The pages I was doing had "for instruction" crossed
out, so the note about his working alone may have been unintentional,
and the log writer might have just seen that he was working and added in
the line and then the watch officer crossed out the instruction part.
Who knows.
As for entering the miscellaneous events,
I may do a little more than some, but not as much as others. I put in
anything that refers to a person or ship, even if the ship is unnamed,
such as a Japanese torpedo boat entered the harbor at 8:21. I don't put
in anything about what was received on board, unless it is money, and if
I happen to spot it in the list. I don't bother with what the painters
or mechanics did on any given day. When the logs started, there was none
of that, and the miscellaneous events page often covered only 1/2 or
1/2 a page. Now it frequently covers a page and a half. I do enter any
data about coal being received.
I find it is easier
to copy the image and paste it in a viewer such as irfanview. (You will
see a note earlier in this post about that.) I then read the log from
the viewer and type the data into Wordpad, which I then copy and paste
into the text box. It sounds like more work, but it is much quicker and
easier than trying to read the page in the Old Weather interface.
I also keep my own list of people on the Concord which I
co-ordinate with Stuart's every so often. Mine is in Excel which helps
me in sorting and finding people. I.e. I can sort by Given Name, or
Position such as App 1 C. etc. If you would like, I can send you a
copy...
I hope this helps...
Michael
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I enter the Coal received as it is requested we do so.
If you see a tab and it relates to something in the log then please enter data for it.
I have entered data for all of them at some time. I also enter (most of the time) discharged crew in Mentions.
As Michael says This log book (which has come up just after a Commander change) is unusual with its amount of Misc data.
If it is likely to make you drop out then please add the date
and leave the rest blank as I think we have most of it between us. We
do still miss somethings but we do our best and any duplicates are no
problem to the History editors.
I got sent out on my first ship to Rotterdam from Liverpool to attend to the boiler and generator in port on night shift.
A
whole ships engine room to myself after only three weeks general
training in Liverpool (on everything except boilers and generators).
Well,
at about 0200 hrs on my first night the Generator (a 12 cylinder
Paxman) dropped a 'con rod' through the crankcase about 10 seconds after
I had been standing there checking the oil and temps.
Strike 1 as the say.
After things were sorted out at 0500 hrs same night I heard this Clang, Clang noise and thought what the ** has happened now.
It was just the hatches sliding open and dropping vertical.
Phew.
Oh, goodness me, I am getting like the Concords scribe with these replies.
Sorry. :-[
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;D
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What exactly does "absent over leave" mean? Absent from a call, or
from the ship altogether? The same person - Denjira Nakamura (Mess
Attd.) - is reported as "absent over leave" or "absent without leave"
since the departure from Nagasaki on 27/04/1995
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_262_1.jpg)
at least once each day until 29/04/1995
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_265_1.jpg).
If he jumped ship, wouldn't it be enough to record that in one entry?
If he didn't, wouldn't he face consequences?
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AOL
If a sailor is granted leave to go ashore they are expected to return before the expiration of the leave.
If they do not return, the vessel has a responsibility to record their absence (probably for legal reason).
Usually if late for a call then that is noted as so.
AWOL
Absent without leave is when they leave the ship without permission. Not good.
With either one of above if after 10 days unauthorized absence they can (and probably will) be declared a Deserter. Even worse.
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Thanks. So, since the vessel was not in port during these entries,
it seems he was late for the regular calls. I presume the consequences
will be dealt with later.
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Stuart, isn't "Absent without leave" AWOL?
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Here is my Excel list of crew on the Concord.
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Stuart, isn't "Absent without leave" AWOL?
Yes, :P, I will change it now.
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Thanks.
So, since the vessel was not in port during these entries, it seems he
was late for the regular calls. I presume the consequences will be dealt
with later.
I think you will find they left him in Nagasaki after he jumped ship there on the 27 Apr 1895.
I will not tell you what happens to him so as not to spoil your interest.
You will also find we do not have many Deserters once we get out to sea. ;D
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Here is my Excel list of crew on the Concord.
Thanks Michael.
Will align with mine tomorrow.
Stuart.
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Onboard crew done today.
Some small changes in yours, alphabetizing on mine.
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Guinness World Record Holder for most charges in a single day go to
Eddie the Troublemaker Spratley, Mess Attendant on May 1, 1895!
The
following punishments were awarded by the Commander:- Spratley, C. E.
(M. Attd.) carelessly capsizing tar pot, 4 hrs. extra duty; Spratley, C.
E. (M. Attd.) leaving station, 4 hrs. extra duty; Spratley, C. E. (M.
Attd.) neglect of duty, 4 hrs. extra duty; Spratley, C. E. (M. Attd.)
wearing cap in W. R. Country, 2 hrs. extra duty; Spratley, C. E. (M.
Attd.) inattention and disturbing instruction, 2 hrs. extra duty;
Spratley, C. E. (M. Attd.) causing disturbance in W. R. Pantry and
impertinence, 8 hrs. extra duty.
There were, of course, other trouble makers that day, some mentioned more than once, but this man really sets the bar high.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol019of040/vol019of040_009_1.jpg
Michael
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:o
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Afternoon Michael.
Good to see you at it on a such a lovely day in Vancouver.
Trouble
with this new writer is that you have to spend so much time reading all
his bumf to find the 'good stuff', sometimes only a one liner between
wind directions and holy stoning.
It has taken me 9 days to do one log book month. >:(
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Good Morning, Stuart!
It looks like pleasant weather for your
part of the world. Our autumn rains will be coming soon. I share your
pain with respect to all the bumph showing up in the logs. I suspect the
log writer is getting paid by the word.
Michael
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Bumph or bumf -- is that like dunnage? Regional slang?
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Hi Kevin.
bumph - reading materials (documents, written information) that you must read and deal with but that you think are extremely boring.
bumf or bumph (bmf)
n. Chiefly British Slang
1.
Printed matter, such as pamphlets, forms, or memorandums, especially of
an official nature and deemed of little interest or importance.
2. Toilet paper.
A lot like the stuff on the Misc pages. A lot of Bumf to read to find a one line Gem of information.
My transcribing rate has dropped I guess 30% with alll the extra reading. Luck it is reasonably easy to read.
Enjoy your trip, (change places?)
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Bit of a day out for the boys, hay wot old chap. 8am -mer.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol019of040/vol019of040_092_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol019of040/vol019of040_092_1.jpg)
They
lose (and eventually find) the Stbd anchor and chain on page two of the
misc notes, noting much happens on page three of the notes.
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They really have to do something about this obsessive-compulsive disorder!! TMI ;)
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Maybe I will have to send Randi on board to sort them out.
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First you have to find her a TARDIS to use. ;D
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You mean you don't think it's interesting to read that the
blacksmith is repairing the steering rowlock for the life boat, and the
painter is mixing and issuing paint, and the revolutions on the
starboard engine are: 68.5, 69.5, 68.6, 69.2 and the carpenter...
oh yes, the carpenter...
Oh yes, and the
currents!!!! at 9:00 8/10 kn. to S.E. by E. At 10:00, slack water.
At 11:00, 1 2/10 kn. to N.W. by N., and at 12:00, 2 2/10 kn. to N. N.
W.
:o
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22 June 1895.
A SINGLE Misc page.
(Or is that just a touch of sardonic humor creeping in? )
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;D
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the log keeper probably had writers cramp.
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;D ;D
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Concord 25 May 1895.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol019of040/vol019of040_059_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol019of040/vol019of040_059_1.jpg)
A tidal wave occurred about 3 o'clock which caused the ships in the harbor to swing around many times.
Sounds more like a Whirlpool to me ;D
Small tsunami likely. http://earthquakes.findthedata.org/l/2318/W-Kyushu-Island-Japan
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Not that I'm one to complain when there aren't enough Miscellaneous
Events Pages to process, but this is the second time I've noted that not
all the Events pages are being scanned!
If you look carefully,
you can see on this image that there are two extra sheets added: the
bottom one being the about the length of a log page, and the top one
covering about the bottom two-thirds of that sheet.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol019of040/vol019of040_050_1.jpg
If
you look at the next scanned page, you can see that both of the extra
sheets were flipped out of the way and the log page was scanned.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol019of040/vol019of040_051_1.jpg
Sadly, it means I'm missing about 2/3 of a page to transcribe. BUMMER!!!! :'(
Michael
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Shuuuuuuuuuuuuush. But yes, I also noticed that.
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Copied above to faulty scans thread so that we can at least go back
and re-do the missing parts so the Archive copy will be complete. Let us
know if you find any more, please.
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You guys have been working fast! I've been away for a week or so,
and the log jumped from May 3 to 29 - the day that the Japanese invasion
of Taiwan
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1895_Japanese_Conquest_of_Taiwan)
started. Meanwhile on the Concord, the biggest entry after the
punishments is the following (30/05/1995 (8AM-Meridian)
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol019of040/vol019of040_067_1.jpg)):
Flagship
signalled (Vis. code) to this ship. Why are awnings not spread? Concord
replied. "Poop deck painted. Request permission not to spread its
awning. Awnings should have been spread. Neglect on my part, signed
Craig." Flagship replied "Permission granted."
One must say, the captain is no less severe with himself than with his crew.
I
read about the tsunami above; did anything else happen in the mean
time? What happened to Denjira Nakamura (Mess Attd.)? I don't see any
complaints about him anymore.
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I missed having you here, Sebastian. I'm learning new things
again, I didn't know of that Japanese invasion. Thank you.
Are you sure about the year? ;)
...
I've been away for a week or so, and the log jumped from May 3 to 29 -
the day that the Japanese invasion of Taiwan started. Meanwhile on the
Concord, the biggest entry after the punishments is the following
(30/05/1995 (8AM-Meridian)):
Something
I learned very young, and noticed was very rare in industry, if you go
in admitting your faults and being apologetic before the boss starts
yelling at you, it takes the wind out of their sales and greatly reduces
the punishment. Most of the yelling is just to get your attention
and create contrition. 8)
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No worries, I'm not gone; I just reduced my involvement on the
Concord after I realized it would take me 45,678 years to become captain
there, given Pommy Stuart's astronomic count of logs. ;D So I
spent some time on the Albatross, and I was for some time one of the 3
or 4 captains there. But all the while they're just sitting at Navy Yard
Mare Island Cal. with nothing happening; even the wind rarely is above
force 1, so I got homesick to our verbose log keepers here.
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The only way to be captain of any ship is to find one that is being
ignored (no rise in anyone's transcription count) and stick to
thru and thru. Unless lollia paolina is on the crew - Silvia can
out type everyone.
She is not a native English speaker, so handwriting will be a factor in choosing a ship to captain. :)
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Albatross (1900) may be one for you Sebastian. It is chugging around
Japan at the moment. I only worked on it to check it was working OK.
You do get periods of time in port.
May I suggest you try something like this.
Go to a log page of a ship you may fancy, and copy the URL to a new tab.
Increase the page number and check what is happening. If you like it then keep going with that ship.
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Thanks, Pommy, I'll hop into my TARDIS and skip 5 years... 8)
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Hi Sebastian, you may know the trick already, but if not: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3489.msg62863#msg62863
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The Concord along with the other U. S. ships has flown the flag at
half-mast for June 5, 6 and 7. Does anyone know who died? Just curious.
Michael
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Answered my own question. The ships half-masted their flags at 12:05
PM 30 May 1895, and they stayed that way up to and including the
8th (ten days). I think this was the person being honored:
http://www.nndb.com/people/951/000103642/
Michael
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The death of the active Secretary of State would require prolonged notice. good call.
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* Lieutenant jiftua *
welcome to the top 12 !
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I wish our writer had been trained on the Albatross (1900)
This is a typical Albatross log page.
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Too easy to read, Stuart. There's no challenge. ;D
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Hi Jessemayj and Merlins10, and all other transcribers.
Glad to see you are still persevering with this horrible set of logs.
I am sure we will see some actions soon.
As far as I can see there is only one more log book to go in this series, plus 7 days in the next book.
Current available series Ends 27 May 1896 when the ship is decommissioned.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol021of040/vol021of040_013_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol021of040/vol021of040_013_1.jpg)
Lets all pull together and get this one finished. (Please)
Stuart.
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pommystuart (Pommy Stuart) passes the 30,000 mark!
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Thanks.
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It's been over a month, but after a lovely visit to the land down
under to visit a new grand-daughter, I am back on board. As well as
seeing the family, we got to spend a day with our noble captain, Pommy
Stuart, in Sydney. Stuart, the lovely Mary and I went on Sydney's
Sculpture by the Sea walk and enjoyed the sunshine, the art work, a
tasty lunch and a pint of Australia's finest beer. Sculpture by the Sea
is an annual affair and attracts artists from around the world. You can
see some of the sculptures here:
http://www.sculpturebythesea.com/image-gallery/bondi.aspx?Year=2013&Location=Outdoor
You can even buy some, although most of the them were very pricey. One, I noted, would go for $150,000.
Our computer died just before we left, so I am getting accustomed to a new keyboard, and Windows 8.1. Ah, the joys!!!
Michael
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Welcome back!
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Welcome back indeed - what a lovely visit and trip. :)
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Is it true that beer swirls down your throat in the opposite direction down there, Michael? :D
You can counteract the effect by a bottle of Canada's finest beer.
Welcome back.
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Craig,
I forgot to check which direction the beer swirled in. I guess I'll have to go back. Bummer. ;D
Michael
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jessemayj passes the 8000 mark!
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Craig,
I forgot to check which direction the beer swirled in. I guess I'll have to go back. Bummer. ;D
Michael
Downwards, but you are welcome to come back and check that.
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merlins10
Welcome back !
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Here's a remark one doesn't often see:
A great number of neuropterous insects flying around the ship throughout the watch.
20 August 1895
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol019of040/vol019of040_217_1.jpg
I had to look it up, this is what I learned:
A
carnivorous insect of the order Neuroptera, such as the ant lion or
dobsonfly, having four net-veined wings and mouthparts adapted for
chewing.
Michael
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Now we know that his hobby was collecting bugs. A very technical word to use.
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I trust you put that on the Animals Tab ;)
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After a long debate with myself - did I win or lose? - I entered it
as an event. I spent one summer in the Barrenlands in Canada's eastern
arctic. Although we were looking for uranium, we counted all the birds
and animals we saw: times, numbers, species etc. but we ignored, in a
bookkeeping way, the insects. Not that we could ignore them in a human
way. There were times, in one part of a nearby swampy area, when there
were so many mosquitoes, black flies, deer flies and horseflies that
someone standing 15 or 20 feet away couldn't be identified - they
appeared as a pillar of smoke, such was the number of insects around
them. Because it was too unpleasant to remain stationary for long, our
lunches would often be eating a can of pork and beans followed by a can
of tinned fruit. There were only three of us, and our favourite comments
at lunch would go as follows: "I love Libby's pork and beans because of
the rich and flavourful sauce," "I like Libby's pork and beans because
of the generous helping of pork," and then, "I like Libby's pork and
beans because of the crunch."
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;D
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jessemayj passes the 9000 mark!
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merlins10 passes the 9000 mark!
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Hi Michael,
How are your eyes doing?
Take care,
Randi
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Randi,
Thank you for asking They're slowly
getting better. I did three day's worth of weather yesterday, and when
all our Christmas visitors leave I will be able to get back to my former
pace. Still seeing double - but that's been the case for my whole life,
but less so than before. Eyes are still itchy, but less so than right
after the operation. I will probably need one more operation to get my
eyes pointing in the proper direction, but that won't happen until after
an assessment at the end of Feb. Apparently it can take two months for
the brain to get everything lined up, so I'll know then. Sometimes for
brief periods the old brain manages to get the images lined up, but not
for long, and not if I'm tired. In the meantime, everyone I meet will be
beside themselves, for joy, I hope. :)
Happy New Year to you, Randi, and to all the others who read these posts.
For
your amusement, from the Concord in early Sept., 1895 (I forgot the
exact date but it was around the 4th give or take a day):
The
Comd'g Officer assigned the following punishments, viz.:- Irving, W. P.
(Actg. Writer 2C.), trifling conduct, 24 hrs. extra duty.
The message here, I guess, is don't trifle with the captain.
Michael
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And a doubly Happy New Year to you ;)
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At 5:20 two Coal lighters each containing 55 tons came alongside,
and one of them in rounding under our stern struck the ship abreast of,
and a little below the third airport from aft, St'b'd side, but did no
damage excepting to make a slight dent in side and scrape the paint. The
coolies to coal ship came aboard at 6:10 and commenced coaling at 6:15.
Friday 13 Sept. 1895. I knew Friday the 13th was an unlucky day. This just proves it.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol019of040/vol019of040_263_1.jpg
Michael
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jessemayj passes the 10,000 mark!
look out Stuart!
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Aah, but does she know that the keeping the Crew lists up to date comes with the Captaincy? %^)
Well done Jessemayj.
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One of the pages found at this site.
http://www.ussconcord.org/id116.html (http://www.ussconcord.org/id116.html)
The logs don't change much in their comments.
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Some one had celebrated the midnight hour a little too enthusiastically?
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Such a quaint way or recording it.
See Mer to 4PM, Ernest Popp etc
Maybe to much of his own medicine? ;)
See also http://www.spanamwar.com/concord.htm (http://www.spanamwar.com/concord.htm) for general history of USS Concord.
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Found this in the log for 30 Sep 1895...
At 1:30, called the 1st,
2nd, 3d, and Powder divisions, together with the Marine Guard, to
quarters, and exercised the men at pointing drill.
Does that
include mocking? I have a vision of the men lined up along the
side of the ship pointing and shouting, in unison, "And so's your old
lady!" ;D
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???
what would this be for.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol020of040/vol020of040_007_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol020of040/vol020of040_007_1.jpg)
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They were having an oral discussion about use or repair of the
fore-hold and found having accurate maps of it, vertical and horizontal,
helpful? It would have been nice of them to foresee the 21st
century need for explanatory captions.
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For some reason I have been thrown back to 4 Oct in the previous log book (19) when I was last on 14 Nov in book 20.
I
have already done those pages before (and just redone 4,5 and6 Oct) and
as far as I can see I have done every page from book 11 (first book)
onward.
?
I cannot resume back on 14 Nov 1895.
Help please.
I
can only think that this is linked to the slow submission - that
started when they fixed the repeating pointer; now they've fixed the
submission delay and this is back.
aaaarrrrgggghhhhh!!!! I'll let them know, they won't be even seeing it until tomorrow Chicago time.
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Loged out and back in. Still seems to be 6 Oct 1895.
Will login / out a few times during my evening and then advise before hammock time.
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I have an S.C. 2c on my crew list.
Any idea what position that is?
Cannot find on my Complement list any ideas.
Ships cook?
Steerage Cook - have one
(something 2nd class)
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I don't know, but Ship's cook seems the most likely.
http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq78-3.htm:
Ship's Cook - Changed from Cook 1838; changed to Ship's Cook 1c, 2c, and 3c 1893; changed to Commissaryman 1948.
Ship's Cook 4c - Established 1893; disestablished 1921.
Ship's Corporal - Established 1835; disestablished 1893.
Steerage Cook - Changed from Officer's Cook 1864; changed to Officer's Cook 2c 1923.
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Looks like our boys are aiming for a new record - 23 men assigned punishments 10 Oct 1895
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol019of040/vol019of040_311_1.jpg
By
order of the Captain the following punishments were assigned; for being
overleave the number of hours mentioned, the following men were given
extra duty as noted:- B. Gorse (P. M.) 15 hrs. overtime, 15 hrs. extra
duty; E. Kenney (P. M.) 16 hrs, 16 hrs. extra duty; P. McNamara (P.M.) 3
hrs, 3 hrs. extra duty; J. Norman, 19 hrs., 19 hrs. extra duty, C. J.
Olsson (O. S.) 3 hrs., 3 hrs. extra duty; E. White (P. M.) 3 hrs., 3
hrs. extra duty; S. J. Wousor 42 hrs., 42 hrs. extra duty; E. Mullen (W.
T.) 48 hrs., 48 hrs. extra duty; P. Grant (F. 1 c.) 44 1/2 hrs., 45
hrs. extra duty; J. Cobb 5 1/2 hrs, 6 hrs. extra duty; R. P. Thomlinson
(A. 1 c.) 2 3/4 hrs., 3 hrs. extra duty; T. Eastwood (F. 1 c.) 1
1/2hrs., 2 hrs. ex. duty; S. Lymus (Lds.) 6 hrs., 6 hrs. extra duty: for
being overtime the number of hours noted and drunk; M. Coady (Oiler) 23
hrs., 23 hrs. ex. duty; E. E. I. Price 48 hrs. 48 hrs ex. duty; T. E.
Campbell (C. P.) 5 hrs., 5 hrs. ex. duty; overleave and brought off by
police C. A. Halle 56 hrs. 56 hrs. ex. duty; A. Holladay 20 1/2 hrs.; 21
hrs. ex. duty; P. Mahoney (W. T.) 20 1/2 hrs., 21 hrs. extra duty, J.
Phillips (Sea.) 38 hrs., 38 hrs. ex. duty: 3 hrs overleave, drunk and
unfit for duty for 20 hrs., C. J. Olsson (O. S.), 23 hrs. ex. duty:
overleave 2 1/4 hrs. rocky, F. Boos 2 1/4 hrs., 3 hrs. ex. duty: for
being disrespectful to the Comd'g Officer A. Kunen (A. 1 c.) was given
48 hrs. ex. duty: for improperly questioning the orders of the Captain
of his part of the ship and not obeying same. J. Norman (O. S.) was
placed in solitary confinement on bread and water for two days. O.
Sundblad (G. M. 3c.) and J. Ridgeway (C. P.) were brought on board by
the U. S. Deputy Marshal 26 hours. overtime.
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:o
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How effective is a punishment, if you have 2 dozen friends sharing your misery?
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I think it's a competition for bragging rights: I overstayed leave
longer than you did; I got drunker than you did; I had to be brought in
by the Marshall; etc ;)
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4 Dec 1895
Have started mixing do and " in the Wind dir, Weather code and Cloud code columns.
Have TWYS and assuming do is for ditt o.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol020of040/vol020of040_052_0.jpg
Just thought programmers should know. First time I have seen do
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Just a question re using the weather data we are putting in.
Do
the 'Weather Boffins' have to wait till we finish all the log books
(#40) before they can get at the data, (if so then they have a very long
wait,) or do they hive it off every now and again?
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They have to wait, and changing the length of the voyages posted is
under discussion for that very reason. Actual outcome still
unknown.
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I suppose if we wanted to speed things up we should help finish off
ships where two transcribers have done a large number of weather reports
rather than forging ahead "alone", like I am doing on the Jamestown
1879. (I am not really alone, but the other transcribers are not moving
along as quickly as I am).
I had a look at all the ships and the
Yorktown appears to be the best candidate: Sylvia and Lekiam are away
out ahead. However, I don't know how quickly the others are going (I
recognize Asterix, for example) and whether I would just be interfering
with one of them. I don't want to be leap-frogging with anyone.
Other
possibilities are: Albatross 1884, Bear, Patterson, Pioneer, Thetis,
Ungala, Vickburg and Yorktown. It would be helpful to know how
quickly the people who are trailing in these ships are going. Also, I
don't transcribe much information about persons and places. When I was
helping Matteo I knew he was picking up that information so I didn't
have to be concerned about it but I am not sure about the above ships.
Perhaps
Randi could tell us which ships would benefit most from a third
transcriber who is relatively fast since she is monitoring people's
progress.
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I think people should work on whatever ship suits them ;)
I am SLOW and I like to have pages in succession. I do not want to be on a ship that people are rushing to complete.
We want people to stick with this project long-term rather than to compete or rush to finish a ship.
Looking
at the 'home' page of each ship (and Hanibal94's log size gestimations
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3551.0)) will give you an
idea of what remains to be done.
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I already looked but I can't tell which members are active transcribers from that.
I agree that it's annoying when you don't get pages in succession.
If
the "boffins" wanted ships to be completed faster I guess they wouldn't
have made so many available, so I will stick with the Jamestown 1879.
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For your information, Craig, Hanibal and I are both actively engaged
on Pioneer, though I'm a long way behind. But I'm committed ....
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Just a few of my own thoughts on trying to finish ships. (Personal to Janet Jaguar, not coming from the moderator.)
First,
none of us should burn out trying to guess what the PTB want because
that will eventually end up with us losing folk - a long term
hardship. Do it so we keep on enjoying the project. All of
us as transcribers and community members are important all by ourselves.
Second,
splitting the ships up into short voyages was a forum generated idea
and recommendation going back to the beta test period. If the PTB
didn't take it seriously then, it is not our problem. They can
always break off any part of a long voyage that still has zero
transcriptions to make smaller voyages out of it. (Please, nobody
try to do a Unalga to split already transcribed pages again!)
Third,
there was also a lot of fun to finishing up the ships at the bottom of
the list, when it was done with more than 2 members (hopefully more than
3!) constantly talking here so that the leapfrogging didn't leave us
with holes in the story - all interesting events were talked about, not
missed.
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I'm easy. Just doing my transcendental transcriptions and loving it. ;D
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Please, nobody try to do a Unalga to split already transcribed pages again!
I was driving home, when suddenly a cold shiver ran down my back... now i know the reason! ;D ;D
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:o ::) ;D
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But you got a bonus in WRs out of it :P :D
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Concord apparently has 40 log books scanned.
We started at #12 well over a year ago, that's all the edit pages will tell me.
Michael and I are currently starting on book 20.
These books are currently over 600 screen pages long. (300 x2)
Do the maths when we will finish all.
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Craig, I'll temporarily help finish up another ship, although I'm
not the "fast" transcriber you have in mind. As much as I like
getting successive pages, I also like watching that bar graph approach
100%! Just let me know which ship needs help.
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The Captain assigned the following punishments, viz:- Half, R. (O. S.), matches in possession, 6 hrs. extra duty.
There were lots more, being the Concord, but this one made me smile, though I'm not sure why...
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Craig,
I'll temporarily help finish up another ship, although I'm not the
"fast" transcriber you have in mind. As much as I like getting
successive pages, I also like watching that bar graph approach 100%!
Just let me know which ship needs help.
Carolyn,
the ships I mentioned (on the previous page) have one or two
transcribers who have done a large number of pages. But if we jumped in
it might make waves for those who are going more slowly. Randi doesn't
want us to do this on her ship. From what Randi and Janet have said I
got the impression that there doesn't seem to be any hurry to complete
ships so I am just sticking to the ones I have started.
Michael, that's pretty severe for possessing matches. Can you imagine if he had had cigarettes as well :o
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Half, R. (O. S.), matches in possession, 6 hrs. extra duty.
I wonder if Half was in the gunpowder room, if so then he did only have half a brain. :o
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Sounds good, Craig!
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It does seem a little much, but a match could be a gateway item that
would lead to flame throwers. You can't be too careful. ;D You've
got to draw a line somewhere, and matches seems to be as good a place
as any. And not only matches; a while back one man got a longer stretch
of extra duty for use of obscene language than someone else being drunk
on duty... ::)
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Must have something to do with the smoking lamp (presence of) and the risk of fire aboard ship.
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Possession of matches or a lighter where I worked was a sack-able offence.
(ICI Thornton Cleveleys. UK)
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My grandfather and uncle worked at ICI Billingham, Durham.
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Happy 1896 when you get there.
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It will be awhile, still back in November; I lost a couple Mexican
dollars on the Melbourne Cup eight days back ;D (November 13 for
me - I think the cup goes on the 4th, if memory serves.)
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Members of the crew gave a concert forward.
Is this proof that music tames the savage beast? No punishments for the crew on the Concord for a day or two...
28 November 1895
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carrots instead of sticks seems to work. :)
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It seems that the Concord is going to be at the Pagoda Anchorage
near FooChow, China for some time. I found an interesting article or two
about it:
http://www.maritimeheritage.org/ports/chinaPagodaIsland.html
http://blueworldwebmuseum.org/item.php?id=41&catid=&category=&artist_id=14
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We are on the move. %^)
02/02/1896
Moored Pagoda Anchorage, Min River, China. and underway making passage to Nagasaki, Japan.
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http://www.maritimeheritage.org/ports/chinaPagodaIsland.html
http://blueworldwebmuseum.org/item.php?id=41&catid=&category=&artist_id=14
Good finds!
I had used maritimeheritage for ships, but I hadn't noticed the ports. I added it to Geographical Help.
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Merry Christmas, 1895, Pagoda Anchorage on the Min River, downstream
from Fuchau (or Foochow, Foo Chow). Mainly sunny, low near 50 and high
near 70. At 12:30 the Comdg. Officer, with the crew aft, read a letter
from a representation of the American Colony in Fuchau, in reference to
Christmas day and afterwards a small gift was presented to each man, by
the Colony. No mention as to what the crew had for their Christmas meal,
although true to form there were many references to tides, currents,
depth of water under the hull etc. etc.
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It's the entries like this that paint a different picture of the ship and her crew:
At
8:55 the following men left the ship for Fuchau to give a theatrical
performance there tonight: E. Murphy (Sea.), L. Gensler (Act. Painter),
M. Leach (Pvt.), W. Martin (Actg Coxn), J. Muldowny (F. 1c.), W. Keough
(Act. Qr. Mr. 3c.), C. Busch (App. 1c.), C. Mulvany (Mach.), T. Ford
(Yeo.), E. Price (M. Att.), A. Holladay (Lds.), T. Campbell (C. P.), E.
Padmore (Bayman), J. Cobbs (M. Att.), J. Briggs (M. Att.), J. Gorse
(Pvt.), W. Bowe (Sea.), R. Shay (Sea.), S. Thompson (App. 1c.), E.
Kellenberger (App. 1c.), C. Michell (App 2c.), M. Culpepper (Yeo.).
6 January, 1896
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol020of040/vol020of040_110_1.jpg
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Are you sure that L. Gensler (Act. Painter) was not going just to paint the town red. ;D
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I sure hope it goes well!
Gensler, Martin, and Keough seem to be the only ones with acting experience ;D
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Although only three crew members are currently acting, they have all
acted out or acted up at one time or another. Also, I must note that
most of them have been awarded (punishments) by the captain for their
work on various occasions. ;)
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Being that creative, the acting (up) should come easy. ;)
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I've had a difficult time trying to decide if I'm seeing the English
steamer Haitau or Haitan. (She comes and goes between the Pagoda
Anchorage and Shanghai every few days, so I see her frequently in the
logs.) The current log writer makes a final "au" as in Fuchau and "an"
as in "an engine" identically. I searched Google, and found references
to both spellings - the scans of old newspapers making it difficult for
the Optical Character Recognition programs and me to decide between "an"
and "au". Not only that, but both spellings seemed possible
alliterations for Chinese words. I tried one more search, and I found a
reference with a clean image. Here are the details:
From Industries, 14th January, 1887.
SHIP
BUILDING- This industry has shown strong indications lately of revival.
There has just been launched from the Cleveland dock yard a steel screw
steamer named the "Haitan" for the Douglas Steamship Company, Limited,
of Hong Kong. She is intended for the China coasting trade, being 284
1/2 ft over all, and is fitted for taking passengers. Her engines, by
Messrs. Richardson, of Hartlepool, are triple expansion, of 1700 horse
power.
No photos, but I am amazed by the power of Goggle and the
Interweb, as my daughter calls them. Twenty years ago such a search
would have been nigh impossible.
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Very good find - that Hong Kong ownership puts it out of reach of most of our sources. :)
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We are on the way home. %^)
30 Mar 1896.
Moored Yokohama Harbor, Japan, and underway making passage from Yokohama to Honolulu Hawaiian Islands.
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Nice place to vacation. :)
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Back at the Pagoda Anchorage (I'm not as fast as Stuart)... It's nice having friends in high places...
The Taotai of the Arsenal presented the crew with some chickens, geese, vermicelli and samshu.
22 January 1896
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Janet,
yes, I understand about the dates, sea ice, animals and peoples names
etc. But here's a puzzle: the Concord has been anchored for several
months at the Pagoda Anchorage on the Min River near Fuzhou (Foo Chow,
Fuchau etc). The Min River is a 577 kilometres (359 mi)-long river in
Fujian province, People's Republic of China. It is the largest river in
Fujian, and an important water transport channel. Most of northern and
central Fujian is within its drainage area. The Concord has been taking
hourly measurements of current speed and water depth since they anchored
here. This is of no interest to me whatsoever, but I can easily imagine
these data being of some value to someone studying the drainage
patterns over time in this part of China. Just as we in the weather
service, when I was working, were interested in forecasting the weather
and studying past weather events, people in the water surveys branch
were doing the same for river flows and floods etc. If I knew that
someone was interested in these data, I could, with minimal effort,
enter them, but if no one is interested, it's just a waste of my time.
Part of the problem, as I see it, is that no-one other than Stuart, me
and a couple of other people even know these water flow data are here.
Similarly for data on the currents when they've been anchored off shore.
Maybe oceanographers would like to know those numbers to see how ocean
currents have changed over time. I don't know. Just one of those silly
questions that cross my mind as I scan these logs...
I'll pass this question on to Philip and Kevin.
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Thanks, Randi. As I say, it's just one of those off questions that
pop into my mind as I read through all these logs.. Also having worked
for so many years when everything was totally defined and laid down as
to what you did, exactly when you did it, what words and phrases you
were mandated to use, and what words and phrases you were not able to
use, what events had to be to receive special attention etc etc. etc.
I
am basically a lazy person, and I hate the thought of either entering
too much, or entering not enough and me (or someone else) having to go
back again to pull out all the data about currents or whatever, though
that is very unlikely. :-\
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We are creating a new topic where we can post notes about extra data available in logs.
About this case in particular:
Kevin says "... I can check with Chinese colleagues who may be interested (or know someone who is)."
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02 Feb. 1896, heading for Nagasaki, Japan:
At 4:30 discovered
that some lumber around the smoke stack about the uptake, was on fire,
and at 4:30 sounded to fire quarters, the fire being put out and there
being no damage. Sounded the retreat at 4:44.
Must have got a few hearts beating a little faster than usual.
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Note to data gatherers.
Concord went on Summertime in the Afternoon 10 Apr 1896.
Don't know as it makes much difference but...
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Should I have concerns about my Navigator? ??? :-\
At sea making passage from Yokohama to Honolulu. H.I. and moored Honolulu Harbor, Japan. :o
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??? It would be nice if he knew which end of that voyage he is at. ::)
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Maybe the navigator heard something while in Yokohama that made him
think that the outcome at Pearl Harbor, 45 years in the future, might be
different than it turned out. ;D
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I think our weather observers are once again standing over the hatch
or grating or whatever it was that was giving them higher
temperatures and wetbulbs than they should. (There was a note in
the log several months ago that they were told to take the readings from
another part of the ship because of this problem.) Their temperatures
and wetbulbs have been suspiciously close for a long time, and now they
are reporting flurries of snow with suspiciously high values again:
39/38 and snow at noon, 10 Feb 1896. (It has been snowing off and on
since 0100.) Chance of this being real, about 1 in a hundred.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol020of040/vol020of040_169_0.jpg
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I have been watching the food rations purchased in the various
ports, and the amounts always intrigued me. It occurred to me that one
should be able to compute the number of people on board by the amount of
bread, beef and veggies ordered. A typical order for the Concord has
been 103 lb bread and 128 3/4 lb of beef and fresh vegetables. Note that
the ratio of bread to beef is 4/5. Now that the Concord has arrived in
Nagasaki, people are coming and going, and the food order has dropped to
99 lb of bread and 123 3/4 lb of beef and fresh vegetables.
13
Feb, the bread order is down four pounds and the meat & veggies down
five pounds. (The ratio 4/5 is kept.) Sadly, I lost track of how many
left since the last food report, but using Excel (and our standard date
notation in ccomments). it seems that on:
- 10 Feb - Lost one
- 11 Feb - Gained four, lost four
- 12 Feb - Gained four, lost thirteen
- -- Feb - Gained two prisoners: not sure 11 or 12 Feb.
- 13 Feb - Gained three more prisoners, and gained two men and lost two men.
That seems to be a change of eight people, which implies 8 oz. of bread and 10 oz. of beef and veggies per man.
I
have 162 crew and 13 officers for 175, and five prisoners for 180
people. This would imply that we would order 90 lb. of bread. However,
they ordered 99 lbs. which is 10% overage. This makes sense to me. So,
the number of people on board equals (Weight of Bread)/11*20.
Isn't science wonderful!
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For some reason, on 13 Feb the log writer started using a colon
instead of a decimal for the pressure readings: i.e. 29:95 instead of
29.95. I have been entering it as 29.95. Now, on the 14 Feb, he is using
a colon instead of a dash in the wind speeds: i.e. NNW 3:6 instead of
NNW 3-6. He is reporting squalls, so a dash is clearly indicated, but I
have chosen to TWYS.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol020of040/vol020of040_176_0.jpg
Perhaps
the science team should be alerted. Maybe it was the return visit to
the HMS Edgar wardroom yesterday. All that British rum has addled the
log writer's brain.
Michael
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Dotlerium tremens ?
See Dash or Space in Pressure Reading in http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3191.msg51629#msg51629 ;)
(Don't change what you have done)
Posting it here will alert the science team ;D
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Thanks, Randi. It took me a while to realize I was even looking at
colons in the pressure readings. The decimal point is just muscle
memory.
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There is a day where he drops the separator all together. Forget which but coming up for you.
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2 May 1896.
The Captain prescribes 48 hours extra duty to O.A. Anderson (Sea) for carrying an unauthorized message to the Master at Arms.
Love letter? :o
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Hi Honey, IIIIm Hooome.
Concord arrived San Francisco 3 May 1896 for decommissioning on the 27 May 1896.
Hint, Good time to split the logs.
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Hint: You may have to stop and change ships for a while to not
use logs you wish to have chopped off. We peasants have no
control over the time table of the PTB. ::)
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I am going to do that and I think Michael is also.
The problem then lies in when the thirds get there, I have no idea where they are up to.
We have taken a real year to do 1/3 of the logs (10/30) .
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Believe me, that topic isn't ignored. It's just a matter of finding space in a very crowded schedule.
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Concord 27 May 1896.
At 3:11 the ship was put out of commission. :'(
14 Feb 1891 till 27 May 1896 = 4017 pages.
Phew. That is a lot for me (but not much for some, how do they do it?) ;)
Taking leave tomorrow till the next day, then another ship.
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Page numbers are very strange. I am back in Feb 1896, and my last
page shows as 4510, and you, Stuart, have done more observations than
have I, and you're in May 1896.
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That may be number of pages vs. page number.
On Jamestown 1879 my last page is "Page 572 transcribed about 1 hour ago", but I have only transcribed 32 pages.
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Yesterday, Friday Feb 14, 2014 I finished working on the Concord for
Friday Feb 14, 1896. Today, Saturday, Feb 15, 1896, I am, of course,
starting with Saturday, Feb 15, 1896. How unusual is it to have both the
day of the week, the day of the month and the month all the same as the
current date?
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http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_often_in_years_do_calendars_repeat_with_the_same_day-date_combinations
Calendars
repeat in a regular cycle, at least within a century, because each year
has 1 day more than exactly 52 weeks, and leap years add another extra
day . This combination results in a sequence of repeated calendars in a
28-year cycle. For NON-LEAP YEARS, a given arrangement of days will
repeat in 6 years, then 11, then 11 years, then begin a new cycle.
Crossing a century changes this because only every 4th century year
(e.g. 2000 but not 2100, 2200, or 2300) is a leap year. LEAP YEAR
calendars repeat every 28 years.
How often calendars repeat
Any leap year calendar will repeat in exactly the same way every 28 years.
Any
"1st year after a leap year" will repeat in a 6-11-11 cycle, ie, it
will repeat in 6 years, then come up again in 11 years, come up again in
11 more years, then repeat the 6-11-11 year cycle.
Both "2nd year after a leap year" and "3rd year after a leap year" will repeat in an 11-11-6 cycle.
Notice the patterns involve 6, 11, and 28. The cycles of 6-11-11 and 11-11-6 add to 28.
It
can be 5, 6, or 11 years before an individual date-day combination
comes up again. Individual days will repeat on a 6, 5, 6, 11 year cycle.
For example, January 1, 2000 (a leap year) was a Saturday. The years
that January 1 fell on or will fall on Saturday are: 1955, 1966, 1972,
1977, 1983, 1994, 2000, 2005, 2011, 2022, 2028, 2033, 2039, and 2050.
This won't last into March - 1896 is a leap year and 2014 is not.
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Janet, it just isn't that 2014 and 1896 have the same calendars, but
the days I was working on were exactly 118 years ago and they were the
same day in the calendar. I.e. for me today is Sat Feb 15, and my day on
the Concord was Sat Feb 15. Like you say, it will be a while until the
calendars line up, and then, if the calendars do line up, I'll have to
be transcribing a day that matches my current day. However, I did think
it fun to be doing the same day from 118 years before.
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What that quote says, for a day in a non-leap year, there are lots
of choices of spacing. And the dates in January and February in
non-leap years will have different spacing dates in the rest of the
year. Simply put, our earth is not orbiting our sun at a simple
rhythm. And our calendar isn't terribly logical either. ;)
It is fun in the months it is happening.
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I remember doing Christmas and New Year pages over Christmas and New Year. It was very disorienting.
I don't remember if the day of the week matched up or not.
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Page
numbers are very strange. I am back in Feb 1896, and my last page shows
as 4510, and you, Stuart, have done more observations than have I, and
you're in May 1896.
Data entry screen shows
36417 reports on 4018 pages (and I have done every page since the start)
Adding up the pages from the log books screen page numbers I get 2425.
From the Edit page I get 4854.
Go figure.
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MAPurves passes the 20,000 mark!
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Thank you, but compared to many, my noble captain included, I'm just an amateur.
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But you see twice as much ;D
(or is that now saw? ;))
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No, I still see twice as much as most people. I'll see the two
surgeons in their two offices with their four receptionists at the same
time on Thursday, and they will decide when/if I'll have another
operation, or if I'll just get prisms put back into the lenses in my
glasses. Sooner or later, the world will become as one (to quote George
Harrison). :D :D
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Just as long as they don't double charge you before those prisms merge them again. ;)
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An interesting entry...
A. Holladay, (Lds.), was brought off
by the Japanese police, clean and sober, eleven hours and ten minuets
overtime. A reward of eighteen yen was paid for his delivery. I like the
idea of Mr. Holladay doing ten minuets in eleven hours! He must be
quite a dancer...
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and that happy when clean and sober - must be an elegant dancer. :)
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:D
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Nice change from the usual late returnees ;)
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Here are some usual returnees...
At 9:00 mustered the
divisions at quarters; the following men absent from the ship without
premission [sic]. C. E. Banzhaf (A. 2C.), J. Healey (Sea.). W. Keough
(act'g Q. M. 3C.). A reward of $9 59/100 each was paid to the Japanese
police for the delivery on board yesterday of W. Keough (act'g Q. M.
3C.) and M. Leach (Pvt.).
Two interesting things, for me, is
that W. Keough was brought on board by the Japanese police the day
before for being AWOL, and here he is AWOL again. The other interesting
thing is that the rewards offered and paid have been 18 yen per man.
"How much was that worth?" I wondered. The answer is in this entry: 18
yen = $9.59. 1 Japanese yen was worth $0.53 in 1896. All these things
are mostly irrelevant, but I find it fascinating how many little details
about life are hiding in these logs.
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$10 a man was standard reward if I remember other posts on the
subject in other ports. Not all that small an amount back
then. They seem to be holding close to standard in all ports.
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I find it fascinating how many little details about life are hiding in these logs.
Me too!
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merlins10 passes the 10,000 mark!
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I think our intrepid observer has set a new record for the most cloud types observed in one hour:
Cir-Cum Cum Str Nim
3 PM April 10, 1896 (over again, having crossed the date line at 12:40 AM)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol020of040/vol020of040_267_0.jpg
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:o
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Anybody any idea if the Concord log books will be split now she has
gone into de-commissioned status at end of log book 27 May 1896.
Whilst that book is numbered 21 of 40, we started on book 11.
If
it is split before the third transcriber gets there then it could be a
clean break at a logical point. and a good time to grab the current data
before we start on the next 3 or 4 yrs of real time work.
;)
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I'll follow up at the monthly staff meeting, Stuart.
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I agree with Stuart. We'll see if we can break it off at this volume.
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Michael.
This is how I see the screen D on to E.
Can others please comment on the order the replies appear to them.
On my screen they go from
11 =Log Books
10 =Officers
Then Crew A = 9 down to Z = 2 in alphabetical Surname order down the page, (some split groups but still in order.)
Finishing with 1 = abbreviations.
Michael has the surnames appearing in mixed order.
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First post: Regular Positions
Second post: Waldmeier to Zehe
Third post: Sands to Vogal
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I see the same as Randi.
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Stuart - Check your Profile | Forum Profile | Look and Layout for the setting of Show most recent posts at the top.
Mine is unchecked; I suspect that yours is checked.
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Stuart - Check your Profile | Forum Profile | Look and Layout for the setting of Show most recent posts at the top.
Mine is unchecked; I suspect that yours is checked.
I
have UN-checked the box and all that has happened is the posts are now 1
at the top and 11 at the bottom BUT still in correct order.
Going back to checked as I think it is just how I view them, then I see the latest first.
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JMAYJ (jessemayj) passes the 15,000 mark!
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Any word one whether the PTB are going to split the logs?
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U.S.S. Yorktown
03-07-1894 - At Alitak Bay, Alaska
Meridian to 4 p.m.
Lowered steam launch and sent it in to bring off boat from "Concords" camping party ashore.
4 p.m. to 8 p.m.
Camping
party left by Concord consisting of C. Wells Naval Cadet (in charge) L.
Swift (Ch. Q.M.) Winter F. (M-a-A 3C.) W.J. Bow (sea) J. Eberwine (sea)
H. Hansen (sea) B.H. Shepler (A.2.C.) with camp outfit came on board.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Yorktown/vol012of040_cr2_to_jpg/vol012of040_012_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Yorktown/vol012of040_cr2_to_jpg/vol012of040_012_1.jpg)
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They are fighting technical problems right now - new logs will be
coming first probably, but those also are currently stuck in the
pipeline somewhere. I don't understand the technicalities, but
they are working on it.
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U.S.S. Yorktown
03-07-1894 - At Alitak Bay, Alaska
Meridian to 4 p.m.
Lowered steam launch and sent it in to bring off boat from "Concords" camping party ashore.
4 p.m. to 8 p.m.
Camping
party left by Concord consisting of C. Wells Naval Cadet (in charge) L.
Swift (Ch. Q.M.) Winter F. (M-a-A 3C.) W.J. Bow (sea) J. Eberwine (sea)
H. Hansen (sea) B.H. Shepler (A.2.C.) with camp outfit came on board.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Yorktown/vol012of040_cr2_to_jpg/vol012of040_012_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Yorktown/vol012of040_cr2_to_jpg/vol012of040_012_1.jpg)
Concord 03/07/1894.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_101_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_101_1.jpg)
Not as well documented as the Yorktown.
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Looks like the Concord has been resurrected after De-Commissioning.
(Missed the logical cut time.)
Looks like I am back on board till the time it is cut.
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Home sweet home
;D
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Look out, World !
* * * * * * * * * *
Captain Pommy Stuart
is
BACK
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(Starting next week. )
Michael may even come back as well.
8)
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mapurves was this day, June 17, 1897, transferred to this ship for
duty from U. S. S. Pioneer on 25 Jun 1925 by order of Bureau of
Navigation #12457 of Jun 27th 1897. It seems Captain Pommystuart
submitted the request in 1897, but the Bureau of Navigation was somewhat
backed up in handling requests for transfers from the U. S. Coast Guard
to the Navy. A tardis was (will be) dispatched to USS Pioneer in the
Gulf of Alaska in 1925 in order to facilitate his transfer to this ship
on the appropriate date. Apparently mapurves is needed for the Battle of
Manila which is due to occur in the not too distant future (for the
Concord) or did occur in the far distant past (for the Pioneer).
I
did note that in her first month after re-commissioning she has had two
people go to hospital, about half a dozen AWOL, three deserters and one
thief. Several have been confined in irons. I hope they order a big
supply of bread and water. The more things change, the more they stay
the same. ;D
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Please note.
The deserters, transfers and discharges that have occured on this new voyage have nothing to do with my return.
I had not received by transfer orders till now.
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Just to keep everybody happy I will rearrange my thinking and change the order of my lists.
:'(
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New Crew List for 22 May 1897 onward can be found HERE (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4125.msg87514#msg87514)
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U.S.S. Yorktown
11-07-1894 - At Dutch Harbor, Unalaska
4 a.m. to 8 a.m.
Naval
Cadet Wells with party of men from the "Concord" who were brought from
Alitak Bay returned to Concord taking with them all camping outfit.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Yorktown/vol012of040_cr2_to_jpg/vol012of040_022_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Yorktown/vol012of040_cr2_to_jpg/vol012of040_022_1.jpg)
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;D
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U.S.S. Yorktown
11-07-1894 - At Dutch Harbor, Unalaska
4 a.m. to 8 a.m.
Naval
Cadet Wells with party of men from the "Concord" who were brought from
Alitak Bay returned to Concord taking with them all camping outfit.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Yorktown/vol012of040_cr2_to_jpg/vol012of040_022_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Yorktown/vol012of040_cr2_to_jpg/vol012of040_022_1.jpg)
And from the Concords point of view.
8am to Merid (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_110_1.jpg)
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8)
Does that really say, "Started diver to clean ship's bottom?" I wouldn't want to be diving in those waters, even in July!
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;D
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8)
Does that really say, "Started diver to clean ship's bottom?" I wouldn't want to be diving in those waters, even in July!
A
couple of years ago I went for a swim in the waters off Haines, Alaska.
It was bracing. (Wearing just a bathing suit, too. No wet suit for me.)
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My father used the words "bracing" and "refreshing" when we were
vacationing at a small like in northern Wisconsin and he'd go out to
swim at sunrise. That was our warning to avoid the lake until the
air had heated up some, small lakes in the north woods being less then
toasty. What's up with some men?
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8)
Does that really say, "Started diver to clean ship's bottom?" I wouldn't want to be diving in those waters, even in July!
A
couple of years ago I went for a swim in the waters off Haines, Alaska.
It was bracing. (Wearing just a bathing suit, too. No wet suit for me.)
Somewhat like this?
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I was hoping you'd send your photo. No, for me it was sunnier and there was a decided lack of snow.
This may be a new record for the Concord. The crew has been on for just ten days, and this on June 3, 1897:
Frank
Thompson, P. M., having been absent without leave for ten days, was
this day declared a deserter from this ship and the U. S. Marine Corps.
We have already had one deserter on May 26 and two on May 31.
I
think four deserters in ten days deserves some sort of note. Just wait
til that Pommy Captain comes back in a day or two. Will there be more
desertions, or fewer? Time will tell.
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Hi.
I'm back.
8)
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I was hoping you'd send your photo. No, for me it was sunnier and there was a decided lack of snow.
This may be a new record for the Concord. The crew has been on for just ten days, and this on June 3, 1897:
Frank
Thompson, P. M., having been absent without leave for ten days, was
this day declared a deserter from this ship and the U. S. Marine Corps.
We have already had one deserter on May 26 and two on May 31.
I
think four deserters in ten days deserves some sort of note. Just wait
til that Pommy Captain comes back in a day or two. Will there be more
desertions, or fewer? Time will tell.
Or was that anticipation? ;D
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:P
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20/07/1897
Sitka, lock up your ladies the Concord is on it's way. ;)
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I'm running to look out the window. When I see you, I'll wave:
At
end of watch standing across Strait of Fuca for Victoria B. C.
(Strait of Juan de Fuca - but our esteemed writer is not big on spelling
or other niggling details.)
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The Bear logger drops the "Juan de" too. Perhaps that's how they referred to it in those days?
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The Concord came into Victoria at 9:15 A.M. on 20 July 1897. She
stayed long enough to pick up a pilot to take them through Active Pass
and north to Nanaimo.
At 9:00 A.M. they reported a temperature of
53F. The weather for Esquimalt on that day was a low of 53 and a high or
72. (Esquimalt is likely where they would have anchored - it was the
Royal Navy Base at Victoria.) It's interesting, to me at least, to see
the ship observation in relative agreement with an "official"
observation from the same time and place. Well done, Concord. Although
there were records from Nanaimo going back to 1892, there were none
recorded for the day of the Concord's visit.
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That's an interesting cross-check, Michael. 8)
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New map for the Concord 1897 onward voyage.
http://goo.gl/maps/v7XXz (http://goo.gl/maps/v7XXz)
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Concord was just offshore from Port Simpson around 3 P.M. on July 23, 1897. ( Port Simpson BC 54 34N 130 26W).
She
was reporting 54F with fog, rain and passing showers through the day.
The weather reported at Port Simpson for the 23 July 1897 was a high of
57, low 36 with 0.5" rain. (In real units, 13.9C, 2.2C and 12.54 mm -
though I have to admit that the original obs were in degrees F and
converted to degrees C when Canada went to metric.)
Michael
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;D
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may I now suggest that we do NOT split the Concords voyage as
Michael and I are now months into the next commissioning and have just
set up a new crew list.
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Stuart, the main hangup on splitting current long voyages is the PTB
still haven't figured out a good (easy!) way to do it. They have
not been ignoring you, just avoiding another Unalgas situation.
And they can always put great precision on when there are no
transcriptions much easier from their end then forum members will ever
be able to. I won't be upset about what they do unless they upload
a new decades-long voyage for us to start - and on that we really have
been heard and listened to. I'm not worrying about that at all.
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Thanks, I understand that Janet.
I was just commenting that we had gone back to transcribing the Concord and to place their efforts elsewhere.
%^)
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No fear, they already had - for their own different reasons. ;D
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I think the new crew on the Concord are taking their temperature
readings close to the hatchway again, with the result that they're
measuring some of the air coming from inside the ship. The wet bulb
temperatures have been looking way to high for a long time and, once
again, they are reporting snow with readings like 42/41 41/41 39/39 etc.
20-22 Oct 1897. (The odds of reporting snow with 39/39 are zero,
never mind 42/41.) Just a heads up for Philip and the other scientists.
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Thanks for the notice. :)
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The PM weather for this page is shifted one row up: i.e. the 1 PM
weather is on the PM line and the 12 PM weather is on the 11 PM line. I
took the liberty of transcribing the weather as if it was on the the
proper line: i.e. I called the PM weather 1 PM and the 11 PM weather as
12PM.
Incorrect PM weather entries (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol023of040/vol023of040_009_0.jpg)
Concord 02 Dec 1897.
If you want me to change 1 PM to PM and 12 PM to 11 PM etc, please let me know.
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Nope - that looks good to me. :)
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writer is now using double " " s for entries such as Cu n
" "
I am using only one.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol023of040/vol023of040_016_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol023of040/vol023of040_016_0.jpg)
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Usual start to a new year, last years year.
01/01/1897 should read 01/01/1898
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol023of040/vol023of040_039_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol023of040/vol023of040_039_1.jpg)
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Obvious mistake on location.
DR 166 41 E
Obs 161 41 30 E
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol023of040/vol023of040_069_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol023of040/vol023of040_069_0.jpg)
166 looks like the correct one.
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The transcriber has reversed the columns for dry and wet bulb
temperatures for the first 12 hours of the day. I entered them as they
were written, but they're WRONG!!!
It seems our Captain just can't get decent help. ;)
23 Dec 1897 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol023of040/vol023of040_030_0.jpg)
Michael
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Make them walk the plank? :o
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You are correct in entering them as written.
In the logs (US and
RN) I have seen wet bulb temperatures higher than dry bulb temperatures
quite a few times, but it's hard to say if the error occurs when making a
copy of the log page, when entering them in the log, or earlier.
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I thought I saw somewhere that the software automatically corrects for this kind of error.
Glad no one said the Navy cannot get good Captains these days. :-[
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Philip has said that it is one of his validity checks for the data.
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You are correct in entering them as written.
In
the logs (US and RN) I have seen wet bulb temperatures higher than dry
bulb temperatures quite a few times, but it's hard to say if the error
occurs when making a copy of the log page, when entering them in the
log, or earlier.
Happens all the time on Pioneer - I grit my teeth and enter as written.
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MAPurves passes the 25,000 mark!
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Well done XO
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When looking for Boca Chica Channel (Manila) came across this,
EBook on the Spanish-American War (inc Battle of Manila Bay)
Manila And Santiago: The New Steel Navy in the Spanish-American War
By Jim Leeke
May interest some, our ships get a mention, search for 'Manila Bay', or 'Chapter 9' Magistrate and Monk.'
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During our trip from the U. S. to Hong Kong, the Concord had a
couple of practice target shoots out in the open Pacific. It looks like
they could have had more: this from Wikipedia about the Battle in Manila
Bay (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Manila_Bay)...
Despite
the superiority of the American artillery, the success rate of their
guns was minimal, a total of 5,859 shells were expended during the
battle. Excluding shells fired at land targets and the unengaged
vessels, only 145 hit the seven Spanish engaged vessels. The Reina
Cristina and Castilla suffered 81 hits between them, the Don Antonio de
Ulloa was hit 33 times, the Don Juan de Austria 13, the Marques del
Duero 10, the Isla de Cuba five and the Isla de Luz?n was hit three
times.
The odds of hitting the target being 1 in 40.
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Oh, my. We really didn't do much naval fighting during that century, outside of the Civil War, did we?
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No. It's interesting to read about Commodore George Dewey
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Dewey) in particular and the
Spanish-American War
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish%E2%80%93American_War) in general. I
found it interesting to read about the role of William Randolph Hearst
and Joseph Pulitzer, and the sinking of the USS Maine in Havana Harbor -
the controversy seems to be going on even today, with the US Navy and
the National Geographic coming to different conclusions as to why she
sank. You can, without straining too much, find parallels with events of
the past few years. (One of the reasons I find OW so interesting.)
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In the current dispute going on in Manila Bay, Concord is getting various signals from the Flagship, USS Olympia, such as:
At 9:55, Tel. Sig. 1008, 6004, 2015, 9409, 4045, 808, 4204, 4623, 6839, 6636.
Although
I have done a few searches, I have been unable to find any references
to help me decode these signals. Are they of any use to the historians?
Should I be putting these into the database, or should I just ignore
them?
7 May, 1898 8 AM to Meridian (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol023of040/vol023of040_164_1.jpg)
I leave it as an exercise to the reader to guess what I have been doing thus far... :o
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The sensible thing to do would be to ignore them.
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Hooray! That must mean I'm sensible! (although anyone having that opinion would be in the minority)
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05/08/2014 Merid to 4PM.
Captain Pommystuart is hereby ordered to report (via Singapore) to the Viking Longship Aegir at Bucharest on the 10 Aug inst.
There to take recreational leave till the 1 Sept 2104.
Followed by family duties in England and to return back to the Concord 14 Sept 2014.
XO MAPurves will assume command during his absence.
By Order Mrs Franklin.
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By Order Mrs Franklin.
No arguing with that!
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I'm sure she will make certain you all travel safe and well. Enjoy the trip. :)
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The more things change...
It's interesting to read the
history before doing the transcriptions because you have the bigger
picture in mind and you can see what is to come from these seemingly
straight forward events, like giving captured weapons to your "allies".
8 July 1898 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol024of040/vol024of040_030_1.jpg)
Under
same steam as in previous watch. Standing up West coast of Luzon Id.
keeping position on port quarter of Raleigh. Heading in to Subik Bay at
end: running slow. H.I.G.M.S. Irene in Bay, at our approach she stood
out and down the coast.
Raleigh fired shots from secondary
battery, this ship following motions. Fired at a small gunboat, which
was beached; and entrenchments on Isla Grande. Expended 8, 3 pdr and 3, 6
pdr cartidges. 9:40 Spanish trooops displayed white flag, vessels
ceased firing and sent boats ashore to recieve the surrender. About 500
Spanish soldiers surrendered.
Boats returned at 12, bringing 198 captured rifles and 100 belts and bayonets and 5000 round ammunition.
9 July 1898 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol024of040/vol024of040_032_1.jpg)
Got
up stanchions and ridge ropes and spread awnings. Transferred arms,
ammunition and accoutrement that were captured from the Spaniards to the
insurgent steamer Filipena.
From Wikipedia:
On December 21, 1898, President McKinley issued a Proclamation of Benevolent assimilation.
The
Battle of Manila, the first and largest battle fought during the
Philippine?American War, was fought on February 4 and 5, 1899, between
12,000 Americans and 15,000 Filipinos.
I wonder how many of the guns and ammunition given to the insurgents were then used against the American troops a year later.
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:'(
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jmayj (jessemayj) passes the 15,000 mark!
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and, not only that, but...
jmayj (jessemayj) passes the 20,000 mark!
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Whoops! :-[
Sorry jmayj!
Thanks Michael!
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I found this mention interesting because it showed, to me at least,
that communications were quite slow in 1898. Admiral Sampson destroyed
the Spanish Squadron in Santiago de Cuba on 3 July 1898, and it took two
full weeks for the information to reach the Concord in Manila Bay,
Philipinnes.
At 3:40 flagship made a general wig-wag signal. " Sampson has destroyed all the ships in the Spanish squadron."
Concord 17 July 1898 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol024of040/vol024of040_040_1.jpg)
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and, not only that, but...
jmayj (jessemayj) passes the 20,000 mark!
Am I in danger of being usurped?
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On the Pioneer, for sure!
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On the Pioneer, for sure!
To late, it has Happened.
Well done Danny.
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Michael.
Just checked and i have gone from 30 june 1898 to the 3rd july 1898.
Will not be entering data till mid Sept.
Stuart
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Michael.
Just checked and i have gone from 30 june 1898 to the 3rd july 1898.
Will not be entering data till mid Sept.
Stuart
I hope you're having a wonderful holiday! Thanks for the info, now get back to partying!
Michael
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eikwar
welcome to the top 12 !
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While struggling with names like Bottoncourt and Corvantes instead
of the more likely Bettencourt and Cervantes, I did a search for "The
Bounding Billow", the paper published on the USS Olympia - source of
names of people who took part in the Battle of Manila Bay. We had been
using the crew list published here
(http://www.spanamwar.com/concordcrew.html). However, I also found
images from the original paper, which spans four pages, two at a time,
here
(https://archive.org/stream/theboundingbillo00whitrich#page/126/mode/2up)
and here
(https://archive.org/stream/theboundingbillo00whitrich#page/128/mode/2up).
Interestingly,
the first version has first and last names, but it does not list
Crouse. It does, however, list Ah Hee and Tomihiro Ikeda.
Other differences, with the "newer" version first (my preference in blue):
- Attridge / Attioge
- Bonhert / Borchert
- Bottoncourt / Bettencourt
- Corvantes / Cervantes
- Harvey, John George / Harvey F. M.
- Kabatchnik / Kabatchuik
- Powers / Power
- Rodney /Rooney
- Ryan, Eugene D. / Ryan, Engene D.
- Sainsbury, Joseph / Sainsbury, J. E.
Interesting
- they both seem to have errors. I think Bottoncourt and Corvantes are
in error because of scanning, and the e's were scanned as o's. There are
records of disciplinary actions against a Charles Bonhert in the Marine
Corps, but I would have to join Ancestry.com to see them. The Borchert
name seems very rare. I'm sticking with John George Harvey, and Eugene
Ryan. The logbooks had Rodney, not Rooney, and I'll put the E. on Joseph
Sainsbury. Attridge seems more likely than Attrioge, and there a number
of Joseph Attridges in Ancestry.com. Power was mentioned in the logs
without the 'S'.
The Bounding Billow is quite interesting if
you're interested, and there are some good photos from the action in
Manila Bay and of the ships involved. You can see Concord here
(https://archive.org/stream/theboundingbillo00whitrich#page/114/mode/2up).
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Hi Michael.
Whats with your new avatar?
So where do we stand with your/our crew list?
Just done Aug 3rd and heading onwards.
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Well I can help with one of them, Bonhert is what is on the hand written muster rolls.
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Hi Michael.
Whats with your new avatar?
So where do we stand with your/our crew list?
Just done Aug 3rd and heading onwards.
The crew list was up-to-date on June 30. I thought you had done up to August 14!
Michael
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Just worked out your avatar. Neat.
'mpbc' would just not be right.
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13 Aug 1898.
The Spanish at Manila must have been hard up, we
bombarded them AND we had to send over the white flag for them to
surrender with.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol024of040/vol024of040_067_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol024of040/vol024of040_067_1.jpg)
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Is that so? Or did the boat use the truce flag for its own
safety to approach close enough to ask for their surrender
verbally? "Sent boat with white flag, Belgian flag aft to
communicate with the enemy" is not clear on that point.
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That seems likely since they specify that the Belgian flag is aft :-\
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MAPurves passes the 30,000 mark!
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Way to go, Michael!
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It's a struggle to find time to transcribe OW what with two demanding cats and one demanding woman... ;)
I've got to start Christmas Cakes next week, too. I got all the ingredients, now I just have to find the time...
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Concord
9 AM, 3rd Dec 1898 changed to Aneroid barometer. (Pressure increased by 0.16)
Noon 8th Dec 1898 changed back to Mercurial. (Pressure remained constant with aneroid)
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10AM 10 Dec 1898 changed to Aneroid
5PM 16 Dec back to Mercurial
(CC to Logs barometers page)
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Sailing into Hong Kong on 1 Dec 1898, but who did I see but my first OW ship, HMS Grafton!
Fired
salute of 21 guns English flag at main and one of 11 guns English flag
at fore. Both returned. Received and returned calls from H. M. S.
Grafton and H. I. G. M. S. Kaiser.
By the time I was on the
Grafton for OW, she was steaming around the Red Sea and the Arabian
Peninsula, then headed off for Galipoli.
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Old Friends ;)
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Concord
9 AM, 3rd Dec 1898 changed to Aneroid barometer. (Pressure increased by 0.16)
Noon 8th Dec 1898 changed back to Mercurial. (Pressure remained constant with aneroid)
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10AM 10 Dec 1898 changed to Aneroid
5PM 16 Dec back to Mercurial
(CC to Logs barometers page)
Further to Stuart's note:
That
change to Aneroid was 10 AM on 11 Dec 1898 (not the 10th). The pressure
went from 30.32 at 9 AM to 30.24 at 10 AM. (Aneroid 0.08 low.)
On the 3rd Dec the pressure went from 30.07 at 8 AM to 30.23 at 9 AM. (Aneroid 0.16 high.)
On the 8th Dec the pressure went from 30.28 at noon to 30.29 at 1 PM. (Aneroid and mercury similar.)
On
the 16th Dec the pressure went from 30.30 at 4 PM to 30.36 at 5 PM and
then to 30.30 by 7 PM. It had been in the 30.30 range with the aneroid
for several hours up to 4 PM, and after 7 PM it stayed around 30.29 for
several hours more. (Aneroid 0.06 low one hour later, but similar two to
three hours later.)
Not a lot of consistency with these readings.
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Hanibal94
welcome to the top 12 !
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Jolly Good show
old young man.
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Hanibal94 passes the 1500 mark!
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Hanibal94 passes the 2000 mark!
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gastcra (Craig)
welcome to the top 12 !
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gastcra (Craig) passes the 1500 mark!
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I just began a new log book for January 1899. I presume someone has
already recorded the crew list info? Here it is just in case
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol025of040/vol025of040_004_0.jpg
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Craig, I don't do crews so I don't know how much overlap there is, but the later section only has crew for 1897 and 1898.
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Yes, I saw that, Janet. I was thinking that Stuart and Michael might
be saving them up to do later. I don't do crews either. I find them too
motley ;D
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I agree with Craig - Plus, I have no interest at all in these
things. My only concern is pumping out science for the scientists.
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Yes,
I saw that, Janet. I was thinking that Stuart and Michael might be
saving them up to do later. I don't do crews either. I find them too
motley ;D
Unless
I can easily copy/paste, me too. May I recommend you add a reply
to the crew topic, with the simple announcement that you found the 1899
crew names and they are at this link? Seems like the best of both
worlds.
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Thanks all.
Looks like everybody is on the same log book.
I will go back to the Concord next week.
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gastcra (Craig) passes the 2000 and 2500 marks!
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I have been ignoring the minutes that are occasionally added (see 8
PM) because it's not clear if the 8:20 refers to the WRs in that row or
just to the tide.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol025of040/vol025of040_096_0.jpg
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gastcra (Craig) passes the 3000 mark!
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gastcra (Craig) passes the 4000 mark!
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I had better get back from leave soon else Craig will be Captain soon.
Thanks for the great work to those who swung over to give us a hand. %^)
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Hanibal94 passes the 2500 mark!
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I had better get back from leave soon else Craig will be Captain soon.
Thanks for the great work to those who swung over to give us a hand. %^)
It's surprising how resistant the "percentage completed" is to change on this ship :P
I
have no ambition to become captain, Stuart. I am just biding my time
here. If there is any overlap in our schedules when you and Michael
return I can perhaps return to the Patterson.
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It's surprising how resistant the "percentage completed" is to change on this ship :P
That's
because the Concord is HUGE. My guestimations currently say she 279.245
WR, but that's definitely wrong due to the really high number of crew.
Assuming
she has 24 WR/day all the way to the end, and her logs have no gaps at
all, the correct value would be something around 350.000 WR, I think.
So that means it takes over 3.000 WR just to do 1%.
I
have no ambition to become captain, Stuart. I am just biding my time
here. If there is any overlap in our schedules when you and Michael
return I can perhaps return to the Patterson.
That would work - I'm over a year and half ahead of Joan on the Patterson, so there shouldn't be any leapfrogging.
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I think your estimate is about right, Hanibal. The percentage
completed stayed at 47% about until I had almost done 4000 WRs. 1% of
350,000 is 3,500.
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It's surprising how resistant the "percentage completed" is to change on this ship :P
That's
because the Concord is HUGE. My guestimations currently say she 279.245
WR, but that's definitely wrong due to the really high number of crew.
Assuming
she has 24 WR/day all the way to the end, and her logs have no gaps at
all, the correct value would be something around 350.000 WR, I think.
So that means it takes over 3.000 WR just to do 1%.
I
have no ambition to become captain, Stuart. I am just biding my time
here. If there is any overlap in our schedules when you and Michael
return I can perhaps return to the Patterson.
That would work - I'm over a year and half ahead of Joan on the Patterson, so there shouldn't be any leapfrogging.
It is so huge they don't want to split it. :'(
Michael and I can live with any leapfrogging.
I will be back on board today.
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It is so huge they don't want to split it. :'(
Are you saying you want another Unalga? :o
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Quick, the smelling salts :o :o :o
I think Matteo just fainted!
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;D ;D ;D
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Good one, Randi! ;D
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Surely they learnt something from that one.
I cannot see why it should be so hard as long as no one is doing the log where they split it.
So someone made a mistake must we live with it forever. ::)
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Yes. For the sake of everyone who doesn't want to suffer that again.
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I agree - as a transcriber of both Unalgas, I remember all too well the awful mess that resulted from the split.
Besides, we did managed to complete the Bear, which had around 350.000 WR - pretty close to the Concord.
So if we can do that, we can do this one too.
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;D ;D ;D
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gastcra (Craig) passes the 5000 and 6000 marks!
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Hanibal94 hits the 3000 mark!
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Good job, Stuart! 8) 8) 8)
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PommyStuart passes the 50,000 mark!
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Whoa! THAT'S AMAZING! G'd on ya...
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:)
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Amazing effort, Stuart!
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Concord switches to aneroid barometer on 08 Feb 1899. Too much firing of main guns for the mercury barometer is my guess.
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Being neighbourly on St. Valentine's Day...
14 February 1899
At
5:00 an officer from American ship Susquehanna came aboard and reported
a mutiny on board his ship and asked for ten pairs irons and
assistance. Sent Chief Master at Arms, 1st Sergeant, six marines and an
officer on board to assist and to investigate. The crew of the
Susquehanna were put in irons and placed in confinement on bread and
water. They allege cruelty on part of first and second officers and so
refused to work. A Corporal and 2 marines were left on board as a guard.
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Must be a merchant ship?
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I just checked. There was no USS Susquehanna in commission in
1899. Susquehanna 1 was decommissioned in 1868 and sold for scrap
in 1883. Susquehanna 2 was a "German ocean liner named the SS
Rhein at the outbreak of World War I when she was interned in the port
of Baltimore in 1914, since the United States was a neutral country. She
became American property when the United States entered the war in
1917. " So we're not talking about a navy ship in mutiny at least.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Susquehanna
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gastcra (Craig) passes the 7000 mark!
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I
just checked. There was no USS Susquehanna in commission in
1899. Susquehanna 1 was decommissioned in 1868 and sold for scrap
in 1883. Susquehanna 2 was a "German ocean liner named the SS
Rhein at the outbreak of World War I when she was interned in the port
of Baltimore in 1914, since the United States was a neutral country. She
became American property when the United States entered the war in
1917. " So we're not talking about a navy ship in mutiny at least.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Susquehanna
I agree, Janet. She was probably just an American ship.
There
were a lot of transport ships bringing troops over to Manila, about
20,000 troops if memory serves. Some of the ships mentioned in the logs
start as SS Something and then become USS Something. However, the couple
of mentions of Susquehanna just listed her as American ship
Susquehanna. I had the feeling she was just a ship that came in to
Manila on business not related to the war, just as there were German,
Spanish and British ships doing the same. The log seems to discriminate
between commercial and naval vessels: e.g. English ship, English gunboat
or English man-of-war if the ship isn't identified by name. If the ship
was US Navy it usually specifies USS Charleston, although in the case
of those US Navy ships that have been part of the squadron for months,
they may just say "Charleston." (We usually see them mentioned at least
every couple of days or so.)
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Concord 28 Feb 1899
Aneroid barometer from 5PM
https://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol025of040/vol025of040_066_0.jpg
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(copy to logs/instruments)
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Feb 28th 1899
8AM to Meridian. Sent a boarding party aboard a
schooner which came in during the night and towed her clos~ to the
ship. Took from the schooner 32 Chickens and 2 pigs (about 30 lbs)
Schooner loaded with rice and ~~~~. No ~~~ on board.
Meridian to
4PM. At 3:45 sent an officer in charge of whaler boat to set fire to
small two masted schooner mentioned in previous watch and set her
adrift.
Any help with ~~ ? Please
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol025of040/vol025of040_066_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol025of040/vol025of040_066_1.jpg)
TIA
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I think it's like this - the first one appears to be a spelling mistake:
8AM
to Meridian. Sent a boarding party aboard a schooner which came in
during the night and towed her closr to the ship. Took from the schooner
32 Chickens and 2 pigs (about 30 lbs) Schooner loaded with rice and
hides. No one on board.
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"Schooner loaded with rice and hides. No ~~~ on board."
They found a seal poacher, I think. I can't figure out what other contraband they were searching for "on board".
ADDED: Hanibal got the second one. :)
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Thanks
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I think it's like this - the first one appears to be a spelling mistake:
8AM
to Meridian. Sent a boarding party aboard a schooner which came in
during the night and towed her closr to the ship. Took from the schooner
32 Chickens and 2 pigs (about 30 lbs) Schooner loaded with rice and
hides. No one on board.
No
crew on board. towed her close to the ship. Sometimes the
logwriters, and he is one, write their lower case 'e' like a small
rounded 'E'. It often looks like an 'r'. I copy the image,
put it into a viewer (irfanview) and zoom in lots and convert the image
to greyscale. It makes it easier to read.
And, Janet, we're in
the Philippines, fighting insurgents not poachers. Think of Apocalypse
Now and sailing up the Mekong River... ;D
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You outrank me in experience, devotion, and knowledge of tricks and tools to use, Michael. Well done.
Gotta
admit, I was wondering about the poachers thing - according to Mr
Google, the only seals in the Phillipines are the US Navy kind. I don't
think anyone would want to poach them!
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You outrank me in experience, devotion, and knowledge of tricks and tools to use, Michael. Well done.
If
by experience, you mean age, I will accept that. Otherwise I feel that
people like you, Craig, Matteo, Helen, Joan, Janet, Randi, Stuart and so
many others leave me in the dust as far as devotion and knowledge go.
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OK, I admit I didn't look at location. But I swear that was
"hides" - could it just be shipping leather from a stockyard to a
tannery? Or tanned hides to leather workers?
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You outrank me in experience, devotion, and knowledge of tricks and tools to use, Michael. Well done.
If
by experience, you mean age, I will accept that. Otherwise I feel that
people like you, Craig, Matteo, Helen, Joan, Janet, Randi, Stuart and so
many others leave me in the dust as far as devotion and knowledge go.
I will only take credit for devotion, and only for doing the WRs, Michael.
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You outrank me in experience, devotion, and knowledge of tricks and tools to use, Michael. Well done.
If
by experience, you mean age, I will accept that. Otherwise I feel that
people like you, Craig, Matteo, Helen, Joan, Janet, Randi, Stuart and so
many others leave me in the dust as far as devotion and knowledge go.
What I meant is that you have more experience in transcribing the Concord and reading her logkeeper's handwriting, you are more devoted to actually reading that handwriting (I just quickly skim through it) and know about that viewer thingy that was completely unknown to me.
But when it comes to WR done and amount of time committed, I guess I do outrank you.
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gastcra (Craig) passes the 9000 mark!
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OK,
I admit I didn't look at location. But I swear that was "hides" -
could it just be shipping leather from a stockyard to a tannery?
Or tanned hides to leather workers?
Janet, Yes those were hides. In the end it doesn't matter what they were. We burned the boat and sank her. :'(
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gastcra (Craig) passes the 9000 mark!
:D (http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_1017.gif)
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thanks, Joan. I am looking forward to pushing the percent completed to 50. Won't be long now. ;)
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Quote Michael
And, Janet, we're in the Philippines, fighting
insurgents not poachers. Think of Apocalypse Now and sailing up the
Mekong River... ;D
Quote log book
73 07 N, 121 48 E
I think we are above Russia (and maybe hunting for seals again :o ) and all in one days sailing from Manilla P.I.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol025of040/vol025of040_073_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol025of040/vol025of040_073_0.jpg).
back to 11 59 N next day. So that's where my Tardis went, they have it.
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That's an almighty leap north, given the Filipino islands they are
sighting. Maybe they found a star ship with a transporter
somewhere? ;)
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Quote Michael
And,
Janet, we're in the Philippines, fighting insurgents not poachers.
Think of Apocalypse Now and sailing up the Mekong River...
;D
Quote log book
73 07 N, 121 48 E
I think we are above Russia (and maybe hunting for seals again :o ) and all in one days sailing from Manilla P.I.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol025of040/vol025of040_073_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol025of040/vol025of040_073_0.jpg).
back to 11 59 N next day. So that's where my Tardis went, they have it.
Bad
log writer. He must have been distracted or bad handwriting or maybe
the ship took a sudden pitch. That first 7 should be a 1. He has done
this before. Note on the right he mentions Elephant Island and Balthasar
Island. Baltasar Island is at 13o 13' 121o 48'.
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I figured that out - he isn't the only one with number problems, I
was doing a nav edit yesterday and a ship on Africa's coast was suddenly
down on the far side of Antarctica. Keeps life interesting for
map makers. :)
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I knew everyone would figure it out. My question was whether both
those 7s were really 7s or just the first. The reference to Balthasar
Island indicates it was probably just the first 7 that was silly. And
for this time of year, there are three small islands in the group, each
one named for one of the three wise men, Balthasar, Melchior and Gaspar.
There is an Elephant island, but it's miles and miles away; quite often
"they" had their own names for places, which can make it tricky trying
to figure out where they are. I have the sense that the way these logs
are written is that someone is copying from some other source, so they
occasionally make transcription errors (which, BTW, is why the Hubble
Telescope had a faulty mirror).
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50% Complete!
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THANKS TO ALL
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It appears that approximately 15,000 WRs gained us 3 percentage
points, although I am not sure if I began when it was at 47% or 46%. But
if it was 47% then 100% would be 500,000 WRs. But that can't be right
because the total WRs of the top 12 at 50% is only about 140,000. But,
of course, we don't know the number of WRs done by those transcribers
below the top 12.
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I have said it before, I will say it again:
Assuming
she has 24 WR/day all the way to the end, and her logs have no gaps at
all, the correct value would be something around 350.000 WR, I think.
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We shall see in about 1 year.
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gastcra (Craig) passes the 10,000 mark!
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Hanibal94 passes the 4000 mark!
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Thanks, Randi. The stars were aligned for me today. I hit 10K, we hit 50% and I just rolled over to 1900.
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I say - a day to note in the diary - well done Concordians! :D
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Here is the list of Concord's logbooks, the dates therein and the
number of WRs per book. This gives a total of nearly 405,000 WRs in
total...
| Book | Period of Record | Days | # WRs |
| 11 | 14
February 1891 - 20 August 1891
(http://"http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol011of040/vol011of040_003_1.jpg") | 188 | 4512 |
| 12 | 21
August 1891 - 27 February 1892
(http://"http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol012of040/vol012of040_003_1.jpg") | 191 | 4584 |
| 13 | 28
February 1892 - 05 September 1892
(http://"http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol013of040/vol013of040_003_1.jpg") | 190 | 4560 |
| 14 | 06
September 1892 - 09 March 1893
(http://"http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol014of040/vol014of040_003_1.jpg") | 185 | 4440 |
| 15 | 10
March 1893 - 19 September 1893
(http://"http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol015of040/vol015of040_003_1.jpg") | 194 | 4656 |
| 16 | 20
September 1893 - 02 April 1894
(http://"http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol016of040/vol016of040_003_1.jpg") | 196 | 4704 |
| 17 | 02
April 1894 - 11 October 1894
(http://"http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol017of040/vol017of040_002_1.jpg") | 192 | 4608 |
| 18 | 12
October 1894 - 30 April 1895
(http://"http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol018of040/vol018of040_003_1.jpg") | 201 | 4824 |
| 19 | 01
May 1895 - 10 November 1895
(http://"http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol019of040/vol019of040_002_1.jpg") | 194 | 4656 |
| 20 | 11
November 1895 - 21 May 1896
(http://"http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol020of040/vol020of040_003_1.jpg") | 192 | 4608 |
| 21 | 22
May 1896 - 27 May 1896
(http://"http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol021of040/vol021of040_003_1.jpg") | 6 | 144 |
| 22 | 22
May 1897 - 29 November 1897
(http://"http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol022of040/vol022of040_002_1.jpg") | 192 | 4608 |
| 23 | 30
November 1897 - 12 June 1898
(http://"http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol023of040/vol023of040_003_1.jpg") | 196 | 4704 |
| 24 | 13
June 1898 - 30 December 1898
(http://"http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol024of040/vol024of040_002_1.jpg") | 201 | 4824 |
| 25 | 31
December 1898 - 30 June 1899
(http://"http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol025of040/vol025of040_002_1.jpg") | 182 | 4368 |
| 26 | 01
July 1899 - 31 December 1899
(http://"http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol026of040/vol026of040_002_1.jpg") | 184 | 4416 |
| 27 | 01
January 1900 - 30 June 1900
(http://"http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol027of040/vol027of040_003_1.jpg") | 182 | 4368 |
| 28 | 01
July 1900 - 31 December 1900
(http://"http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol028of040/vol028of040_003_1.jpg") | 184 | 4416 |
| 29 | 01
January 1901 - 01 July 1901
(http://"http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol029of040/vol029of040_002_1.jpg") | 182 | 4368 |
| 30 | 02
July 1901 - 31 December 1901
(http://"http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol030of040/vol030of040_003_1.jpg") | 183 | 4392 |
| 31 | 01
January 1902 - 26 February 1902
(http://"http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol031of040/vol031of040_003_1.jpg") | 57 | 1368 |
| 32 | 15
June 1903 - 19 January 1904
(http://"http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol032of040/vol032of040_003_1.jpg") | 219 | 5256 |
| 33 | 20
January 1904 - 26 August 1904
(http://"http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol033of040/vol033of040_002_1.jpg") | 220 | 5280 |
| 34 | 16
September 1905 - 17 May 1906
(http://"http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol034of040/vol034of040_003_1.jpg") | 244 | 5856 |
| 35 | 17
May 1906 - 31 December 1906
(http://"http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol035of040/vol035of040_003_1.jpg") | 228 | 5472 |
| 36 | 01
January 1907 - 28 August 1907
(http://"http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol036of040/vol036of040_003_1.jpg") | 240 | 5760 |
| 37 | 30
August 1907 - 20 April 1908
(http://"http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol037of040/vol037of040_002_1.jpg") | 236 | 5664 |
| 38 | 21
April 1908 - 17 December 1908
(http://"http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_002_1.jpg") | 241 | 5784 |
| 39 | 18
December 1908 - 18 August 1909
(http://"http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol039of040/vol039of040_002_1.jpg") | 244 | 5856 |
| 40 | 19
August 1909 - 04 November 1909
(http://"http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol040of040/vol040of040_002_1.jpg") | 78 | 1872 |
| Total | | 134,928 |
Note: There are no book numbers 1 - 10.
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Your list only adds up to 112848, Michael.
If we assume
that all three streams are near the log book for 1899 (I think
someone said that), then we would be about 60% complete according to
your list. But we are only at 50%.
But who's counting? I find the
Concord weather pages quite easy to transcribe - the handwriting is not
bad, there are few irregularities and the lines are autohotkey
friendly. What more could one ask for? ;D
Craig
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Your list only adds up to 112848, Michael.
If
we assume that all three streams are near the log book for 1899
(I think someone said that), then we would be about 60% complete
according to your list. But we are only at 50%.
But who's
counting? I find the Concord weather pages quite easy to transcribe -
the handwriting is not bad, there are few irregularities and the lines
are autohotkey friendly. What more could one ask for? ;D
Craig
If
we assume that the three streams are complete to the end of Vol 25
(which is reasonably close) we have completed 64,800 WRs. This
represents about 48% of the 134,928 WRs per stream. The end of 1899
represents 51% done. Stuart and I are in April 1899, you're in 1900 and
Hanibal is probably somewhere between us, so the 50% seems reasonable.
My
total at the bottom of my list was correct, but I didn't grab all the
volumes when I did the copy, which is why your total was off. I inserted
the last four volumes a couple of minutes ago.
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I had better stop reading the forum and get back to transcribing, Craig is going to overtake me soon.
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Any ideas what the clouds are at 7PM?
Str Cuq ?????
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol025of040/vol025of040_105_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol025of040/vol025of040_105_0.jpg)
TIA
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Your list only adds up to 112848, Michael.
If
we assume that all three streams are near the log book for 1899
(I think someone said that), then we would be about 60% complete
according to your list. But we are only at 50%.
But who's
counting? I find the Concord weather pages quite easy to transcribe -
the handwriting is not bad, there are few irregularities and the lines
are autohotkey friendly. What more could one ask for? ;D
Craig
If
we assume that the three streams are complete to the end of Vol 25
(which is reasonably close) we have completed 64,800 WRs. This
represents about 48% of the 134,928 WRs per stream. The end of 1899
represents 51% done. Stuart and I are in April 1899, you're in 1900 and
Hanibal is probably somewhere between us, so the 50% seems reasonable.
My
total at the bottom of my list was correct, but I didn't grab all the
volumes when I did the copy, which is why your total was off. I inserted
the last four volumes a couple of minutes ago.
I'm at 6th April 1899 right now.
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Any ideas what the clouds are at 7PM?
Str Cuq ?????
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol025of040/vol025of040_105_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol025of040/vol025of040_105_0.jpg)
TIA
:o I also read S Cuq ::)
6-8pm "overcast, squally" ;)
TWYS
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14 April 1899
At 7:00 "Charleston" signalled. "Cablegram
rec'd this day. Ratifications of peace treaty exchanged and President
proclaims peace April 11th. This necessitates the termination of all
Volunteer commissions. Inform Commanding Officers Sig. Dewey.
That's peace with Spain, not with the Filipino insurgents.... :'(
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April 18 1899...
At least someone appreciates us, even if the appreciation comes 11 months later...
At
4:40 mustered at quarters and then to remuster to read congratulations
of the Marine Society of New York for the victory of May 1st.
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That's a long distance to send mail. ;)
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The speed demons ahead of me must have noticed that the Concord's
pages go 26 Apr, 28 Apr, 28 Apr and 29 Apr. There aren't two copies of
the 28th, the events and weather pages are different, so it's a case of
forgetting what day it was and writing 28 instead of 27. The logkeeper
must be showing his age... sometimes I have trouble figuring out
what day it is, too.
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I came to the same conclusion and I have the same problem, Michael. ;D
Although
when on a ship you can't check the newspaper for the date, it can't be
too difficult to flip to the previous log page and then add 1. Perhaps
that would be an admission of weakness.
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Losing track of the date is a very common problem. When I wake
up on a Tuesday convinced it is Monday, say after a holiday weekend, I
don't wake up feeling confused at all. It never occurs to me to
check my convictions.
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Good point, Janet.
Here's a page where the barometer reading
jumps a whole inch for 4 hours (8 AM to meridian). I looked ahead and
this watch was done by a naval cadet. He must have been under a lot of
pressure. :D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol027of040/vol027of040_185_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol027of040/vol027of040_186_1.jpg
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That cadet's experience with the officer who took the next watch must have been a memorable learning experience. ;)
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Good point, Janet.
Here's
a page where the barometer reading jumps a whole inch for 4 hours (8 AM
to meridian). I looked ahead and this watch was done by a naval cadet.
He must have been under a lot of pressure. :D
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol027of040/vol027of040_185_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol027of040/vol027of040_186_1.jpg
Perhaps you were under too much pressure to post this?
It looks like a jump of 2 inches during the 4am-8am watch just before the cadet :-\
It corresponds nicely to the event "Barometer steady" ::)
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I didn't want to get the cadet in more trouble by writing 2 inches, Randi. One inch is bad enough ;D
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But, as far as I can tell, the cadet was not on that watch.
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Ah! quite so. I had just glanced at it. Lucky for him he didn't make the mistake.
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Concord has put the State of the Sea "S" in the Prop. of Clear Sky
Column for 30 April 1899
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol025of040/vol025of040_127_0.jpg).
I entered the "S", but it's clearly incorrect.
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That seems reasonable. It would probably also be OK to leave it blank.
Since they did not put the correct values elsewhere, there is not much we can do :P
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I remember that. I did the same as you, Michael. Now (August
1900) they are repeating part of the cloud type codes in the "moving
form." column. We don't transcribe that one but sometimes it can be
confusing. I'm not sure what should go there but in other ships' logs
they used to repeat the wind direction code.
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You now have 3 lots of S for 30 Aug. ;D
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That's for tomorrow ;D
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It's interesting that on 1 May 1899 we fired a 6 pdr blank charge at
a ship that turned out to the American SS Cleveland bring stores for
the army... I guess that qualifies as an "Ooops!"
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I
remember that. I did the same as you, Michael. Now (August 1900)
they are repeating part of the cloud type codes in the "moving form."
column. We don't transcribe that one but sometimes it can be confusing.
I'm not sure what should go there but in other ships' logs they used to
repeat the wind direction code.
I'm
thinking that's the direction the clouds are moving from. (I noticed on
the 15 August 1899
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol028of040/vol028of040_051_0.jpg)
they crossed out form and wrote in from.) This is an
extra column compared to the log books from 1899 and previously. Quite
often, modern weather observations made by humans might having in
remarks CI MOVG NE. It looks like the PTB, US Navy-wise, wanted more
weather information. The information you thought was a repeat of the
wind direction code was most likely the direction from which the clouds
were moving. This sort of information would have been useful for making
weather forecasts.
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It's
interesting that on 1 May 1899 we fired a 6 pdr blank charge at a ship
that turned out to the American SS Cleveland bring stores for the
army... I guess that qualifies as an "Ooops!"
Well, if it was stores for the army I guess it isn't too bad ;D
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;D
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Hanibal94 passes the 5000 mark!
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One day I saw the USS Yorktown, steaming into Lingayen Gulf and
coming to anchor near us. The date was 02 Mar 1899, and the time was
around noon. Here's what was noted by the two ships:
USS Concord: (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol025of040/vol025of040_068_1.jpg)
At
11.10 U.S.S. Yorktown came in and anchored at 11.55. Got underway and
stood out on course N. by W 1/2W (P.C.) under all boilers. Yorktown made
gen. signal Int. 1211 Concord answered with 132. At noon Yorktown made
Num. 331 and num. 19
USS Yorktown: (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Yorktown/vol019of040_cr2_to_jpg/vol019of040_119_1.jpg)
At
10:08 sighted the U.S.S. Concord, at anchor near head of Gulf. Changed
course to head for Concord. At 11.05 came to anchor in 9 3/4 fms. water,
veering to 45 fms starboard chain. ... Signals:- At 10:40 exchange
numbers with Concord. At 10.50 (G.S.) Y to C: Int. 1211. At 11.00 C. to
Y. 132. 11.45 C. to Y. (wig wag) "Send mail for Manila and send it at
once". At noon made coal report to Concord. ... The Concord left harbor
at 12.00.
Even more interesting, to me at least, is the noon weather report made by the two ships:
Wind
Barometer Dry Wet
Prop.
Rel
Ship Dir Force
Height Att'd Bulb Bulb Weather Cloud Clear
Sky Hum
Yorktown
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Yorktown/vol019of040_cr2_to_jpg/vol019of040_118_0.jpg)
NW 2 30.02 78
82 76 bc Cum
7 76%
Concord
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol025of040/vol025of040_068_0.jpg)
Calm 0 30.09
78 80 79 bc
Str
8 95%
PS: I calculated
the relative humidity given the dry and wet bulb readings, and I have
always been suspicious of the Concord's wet bulb readings which seem too
high. I suspect they're taking them near a hatchway and getting air
from the inside of the ship.
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Well, someone is noting times by memory after the fact, not
remembering very well. We know wind and temp depend on deflection
and shade from harbor structures and exactly where in the harbor each
ship is. But surely they ought to be seeing the same clouds?
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There could have been some cloud variation during the hour. In the
1900 the Concord log keeper is much more intent in recording the cloud
cover during the whole hour rather than just one point in the hour. This
results in a lot of codes to transcribe.
These discrepancies
show how valuable it will be for the science team to cross reference
ships that are in the same place at the same time.
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Seeing Yorktown has entered a noon position, I suspect she was
already some distance from the anchorage at noon, hence different
observations.
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jmayj
Welcome back !
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Hanibal94 passes the 6000 mark!
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The Concord crew lists
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4125.msg87514#msg87514)
have been updated to the end of June 1899. They'll be updated
again when Stuart and I reach 31 December 1899.
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I left them for you to do. ;)
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I left them for you to do. ;)
I know, thank you! Lucky me... :'(
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19-N-6862A: Squadron of the Evolution. USS Chicago, USS Newark, USS
Atlanta, USS Concord, and USS Yorktown, possibly 1889. (12/09/2014).
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127906254@N06/15816772590/
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gastcra (Craig) passes the 20,000 mark!
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For those interested, there is an interesting history of the USS
Paragua (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Paragua_(1888)) in the
Philippines. Concord put a dozen or so men on the former Spanish Gunboat
as crew, and Paragua and her sister ship Pampanga have been working
with Concord in June/July 1899 (which is where I am in the logs..)
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Silly people on the Concord: they don't know when or where they are:
Port Cavite page 032.0 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol026of040/vol026of040_032_0.jpg)
26 July 1899 Cavite page 032.1 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol026of040/vol026of040_032_1.jpg)
Lingayen Gulf (?) page 033.0 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol026of040/vol026of040_033_0.jpg)
28 July 1899 Cavite page 033.1 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol026of040/vol026of040_033_1.jpg)
Port Cavite page 034.0 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol026of040/vol026of040_034_0.jpg)
28 July 1899 Cavite page 034.1 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol026of040/vol026of040_034_1.jpg)
Reading
the Events page for the first of the 28 July, they are sitting in
Cavite (Manila) being coaled. They passed Corregidor Island at
2:45 A.M. on the 26th and they haven't gone anywhere. Note that the log
writer put (?) after Lingayen Gulf.
So, the date for page 034
should be 27 July and the location should be Cavite. Being the slave to
convention that I am, I entered 28 July and Lingayen Gulf (?) for date
and place.
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Here's a brief history of Concord's other gunboat, the Pampango
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Pampanga_%28PG-39%29). (By other
gunboat, she and Paragua follow her around.) If you read it, you
will see that Pampanga was indirectly responsible for Prince Edward,
Duke of Windsor, formerly King Edward VIII, abdicating his throne to
marry her. Wallis' husband, Earl Winfield Spencer, Jr,
commanded Pampango in 1923. Maybe Wallis couldn't handle the long
separation...
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Silly people, they were merely 245 kilometers off that day - trivial
error. Please do not deprive the analysts of this juicy
detail. ;)
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It was easy, one click on Google.
First, attached is a
1905-06 Congressional report
(https://books.google.com/books?id=YVpZAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA486&lpg=PA486&dq=gunboat+Paragua&source=bl&ots=9YcnhVjxz3&sig=Mn8sAsu2HZ4jEIKPP93w3DDCUws&hl=en&sa=X&ei=YECnVJXsG4KkyASGwICoAw&ved=0CDYQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=gunboat%20Paragua&f=false)
from the US Government Printing Office, naming the Paragua, Pampanga,
Samar, Mindoro, and Gardoqui.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7a/USS_Paragua.jpg)
Paragua:
Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Paragua_(1888)
DANFS: http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/p2/paragua.htm
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Pampanga_%28PG_39%29.jpg)
Pampanga:
Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Pampanga_(PG-39)
DANFS: http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/p1/pampanga.htm
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/Samar_%28PG-41%29.jpg)
Samar:
Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Samar_(PG-41)
DANFS: http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/s3/samar-i.htm
Arayat:
Wiki: USS Arayat (1888) sister ship to Paragua,
Pampanga and Samar, has no Wiki article and is not mentioned in Congress
report. Sunk in 1899.
DANFS: http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/a10/arayat-i.htm
Mindoro:
Wiki: USS Mindoro (1899) has no Wiki article
DANFS: http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/m11/mindoro-i.htm
Gardoqui:
Wiki: USS Gardoqui (1899) has no Wiki article
DANFS: http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/g1/gardoqui.htm
Fixed image link (added space) for Samar ;)
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Thanks Janet.
I deleted my post after Michael pointed me to his post which I had missed.
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No prob.
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Silly
people, they were merely 245 kilometers off that day - trivial
error. Please do not deprive the analysts of this juicy
detail. ;)
They We are still lost :'(
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Find a TARDIS and send them a GPS? ::)
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Be advised that the first Aug 6th is actually Aug 5th, the second is Aug 6th.
Not only do they not know where they are they do not know what day it.
They have
Fri 4 Aug, then
Sat 6th, then
Sun 6th, then
Mon 7th.
I have left it as is.
:o
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol026of040/vol026of040_047_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol026of040/vol026of040_047_1.jpg)
8pm to mid
I thought the Americans were the 'insurgents'
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POV, I guess. Every side is the other side's insurgency. :'(
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http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol026of040/vol026of040_047_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol026of040/vol026of040_047_1.jpg)
8pm to mid
I thought the Americans were the 'insurgents'
Watch it, there Stuart! Whose side are you on here? :o :o :o
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what I meant was it seems they escaped the 'insurgents' and headed out to be picked up by the 'insurgents'
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol026of040/vol026of040_048_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol026of040/vol026of040_048_0.jpg)
noon obs.
I guess it reads 16 13 N but I was tempted to put W
Seems like you are in the 52nd state Michael.
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07 August 1899
At 9:30 entered Port San Fernando, the
Yorktown leading, the gunboats "Callas" and "Pampanga" taking their
positions on the right and left flanks respectively. At 9.40 the
Yorktown opened fire upon the town with her secondary battery, the fire
being returned from shore. At 9.35 the Yorktown made gen. signal 180 and
at 9.45 1. Opened fire upon the town at 9.46 ceased firing in obedience
to signal from Yorktown at 10.06. Commenced firing again at 10.09
ceased firing at 10.17. Opened fire again at 10.27 and ceased firing at
10.46. The Yorktown made general signal 1357 and cornet 152. The
Captain reported on board the Yorktown. At 11.10 Yorktown made general
signal 533 and 132. Anchored at 11.17 in 14 1/2 fathoms of water, 45
fathoms of chain. At 11.15 Yorktown signalled "send mail aboard for
Manila at 1 P.M." In obedience to signal from Yorktown secured at 11.50
keeping one charge on deck for each pair of 6" guns. Expended the
following ammunition, 48 - 6" Red. Charges, 1-6" Full Charge, - 47 - 6"
Common Shell. 2-6" Steel Shell. 32-3 pdr. Common Shell 23 - 6 prd. Steel
Shell, 52- Percussion Prmers and 12-37 m/m Common Shells.
Being done for the day, I will see what Yorktown has to say about this...
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The battle as seen from the Yorktown...
4 to 8 A.M.
The U.S.S. Concord got underway and followed this vessel in squadron.
8 A.m. to Meridian
Steaming
out of Lingayen Gulf. Navigator conning ship. U.S.S. Concord following
in squadron. Steam on boilers A.B.C.&D. Sounded call to general
quarters at 9:28. Entered San Fernando harbor and started firing at San
Fernando at 9:46. Stopped firing at 10.46 Started firing at 10:10.
Stopped at 10:17. Started firing at 10:30. Stopped firing at 10:46.
Anchored at 10.33 in 14 fms. water, veering to 30 fms port chain. The
following ammunition was fired:- 75 - 6" charges, 63 - 6" common Shell.
12-6" Shrapnel, 66 - 6 pdr. A. P. Shell.5 - 3 pdr. Common Shell. 299 - 1
prd. A. P. Shell, 400 rounds 6 m/m Colts gun ammunition. The U.S.S.
Concord, U.S.S. Callas and U.S.S. Pampanga engaged in bombarding San
Fernando.
(Then follow a list of various messages...)
Before
the squadron opened fire a shot was fired from a field piece on shore,
the shot falling short. This was followed by one or two others, and by
musketry from trenches near the beach. Before the end of the bombardment
the shore fire had ceased. A French flag flying from a house on Eastern
side of harbor was respected, no shots being fired in that direction.
After fire had ceased two Companies of troops were seen to march from
that locality. The battery and ammunition in general worked
satisfactorily. Three miss-fires occurred with 3 pdr. gun and the port
6" gun of the 1st Div failed to return to battery twice, but afterwards
acted well. The shrapnel always burst before the time set by the fuze.
The firing was at ranges varying from 1300 to 2300 yards. The port
battery only was used.
Finally... At 1:15 got underway and stood out of San Fernando.
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3 Sept 1899
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol026of040/vol026of040_071_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol026of040/vol026of040_071_1.jpg)
Mer
- 4PM, Sent a swinning party to Kabalition Is. All armed.At around 3PM
the dinghy came of with information that Magnus M. Nelsson had been shot
in the head. Immediatly sent a boat ashore in charge of Ensign O. S.
Knepper with the doctor & Hospital Steward, At 3.55 Nelson was
brought on board uncontious from the effect of a wound in the head. On
investigation indicated that Nelsson had been accidently wounded by a
Mauser rifle in the hands of James F. Grable (GM3 class). At 4:40 Magnus
M. Nelsson died.
4 Sept
Buried on Kabalitian Island P.I. (Now known as Cabalitian Island)
RIP Magnus
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26 August 1899
Stopped and sent boat to american scooner
Water Witch 16 days out of Hong Kong for Manila, out of water and
provisions. Sold to Water Witch 75 lbs bread, 40 lbs roast beef, 24 lbs
corned beef, 25 lbs sugar, 12 lbs coffee and 6 lbs Butter, also filled
her water cask.
(their spelling, not mine!)
Who says we can't be helpful to our fellow man!
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They have to live up to the name of their ship ;D
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A better position for the Concord.
Her last "real" position
was in San Fernando P.I. on 18 Aug 1899 at 10:45. She then left and
headed south, and anchored and sat in the same place until 26 Aug when
she left her anchorage and went back to San Fernando, then north, and
turned around and went back to the head of the Gulf of Lingayen,
anchoring off Lingayen (16.02N 120.23E) All Concord reported for a
position between leaving San Fernando on the 18th and going back there
on the 26th was Lingayen Gulf (16.25N 12023E) but, in as much as
her crew were swimming and practicing with their rifles on Kabalitian
Island, and looking at her course when she left San Fernando on the
18th, would put her back in the same place probably around 16.04N 12023E
- thee 16.02 is in the town on land. I mention this because the centre
of the Gulf is a fair bit north of there.
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At this point, as transcriber you can only TWYS and note here for
Philip that their location is right out wrong. The climatologists
and the Concord's editor will have the job of figuring out where they
really are. Lucky them.
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At
this point, as transcriber you can only TWYS and note here for Philip
that their location is right out wrong. The climatologists and the
Concord's editor will have the job of figuring out where they really
are. Lucky them.
That's
what I do. TWYS. Had I been in charge of the Navy in those days, they
would have been ordered to give Lat/lon every hour, have lessons in neat
and legible handwriting and taken courses in advanced weather
observation!
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I think the current resolution of the climate models is 200 kms,
although the 20th Century Reconstruction project wants to go down to 50
kms. How far apart are these lat/longs?
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All I know is, each minute of Latitude is one nauticle mile, so a
single degree would be 60 nautical miles. (Longitude the same at
the equator but getting smaller as it goes up and down to the
poles.) If you believe the theory, but US/international and UK
have different length nautical miles, the UK being longer.
Conversions seem to be controversial but a degree should be either
111.12 US or 111.19 UK. (Converter won't give an answer for
international, it needs to know who is measuring.)
http://www.metric-conversions.org/length/nautical-miles-to-kilometers.htm?val=1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautical_mile
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111.11 kms appears to be the right number (40000/360). This is constant, unlike for longitude.
So
if I understand Michael's post, we are talking about a difference of
about 23 minutes, which would be 23/60 *111 = 42 kms. According to my
calculations, 16 02 N and 16 25 N would be in different cells if these
are determined beginning from the equator.
In any case, it would be good to have the right position.
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At
this point, as transcriber you can only TWYS and note here for Philip
that their location is right out wrong. The climatologists and the
Concord's editor will have the job of figuring out where they really
are. Lucky them.
That's
what I do. TWYS. Had I been in charge of the Navy in those days, they
would have been ordered to give Lat/lon every hour, have lessons in neat
and legible handwriting and taken courses in advanced weather
observation!
Thank goodness I am Captain not you.
Hourly positions for underpaid slaves to log in the 21st century, how cruel to them. %^(
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;D
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More on the unfortunate death of Magnus M. Nelsson. From the log 04 Sep 1899
Omitted
quarters and drill to bury the dead. At 8:30 called all hands bury the
dead and half masted colors. The Executive Officer read the funeral
service over the body of M. M. Nelsson (App 2nd Class). The body was
piped over the side and lowered into the first cutter. The funeral party
going ashore in the Gig: Whaleboat, 2nd cutter and sailing launch. The
body was buried on Kabilition (Cabalition Island 16.11N 120.12E) Island
and a salute of three volleys fired over the grave. Funeral party
returned to the ship.
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The most ridiculous wind direction ever:
USS Concord, Lingayen Gulf, P.I. 2 PM, 08 September 1899
SE by WNW (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol026of040/vol026of040_076_0.jpg)
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Lettered in that neat Calligraphy, we should send it to Philip to
print and hang on his office wall as proof that Navy officers are
sometimes not thinking straight at all. ;D
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Had I been in charge of the Navy, this would never have happened. We
can blame it all on Stuart for his all too lenient ways...
;)
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It is beautiful handwriting - I wonder if Mary Poppins showed up? Isn't that her wind direction? ;D
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Close Kathy, but it was East.
Bert: 'Wind's in the east...
mist's comin' in... like something is brewin', about to begin. Can't put
me finger... on what lies in store... but I feel what's to happen all
happened before. (Suddenly coming out of his daze) I'm sorry, where was
I?'
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More on the unfortunate death of Magnus M. Nelsson. From the log 04 Sep 1899
Omitted
quarters and drill to bury the dead. At 8:30 called all hands bury the
dead and half masted colors. The Executive Officer read the funeral
service over the body of M. M. Nelsson (App 2nd Class). The body was
piped over the side and lowered into the first cutter. The funeral party
going ashore in the Gig: Whaleboat, 2nd cutter and sailing launch. The
body was buried on Kabilition (Cabalition Island 16.11N 120.12E) Island
and a salute of three volleys fired over the grave. Funeral party
returned to the ship.
Further to above
12 Sept 1899
Merid to 4PM.
Sent boat ashore with Ensign C. T.Owens in charge to set up head board for M. M. Nelssons grave.
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I've added quotes of both the additional notes to the post for
Magnus in American Burials...
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3377.msg101090#msg101090)
- they seem to have cared for him, to note it so completely in the
logs.
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Hanibal94 passes the 7000 mark!
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14 Sept Concord sank a couple of schooners.
(Downunder in New South wales that takes on a totally different meaning. (both would be good fun) )
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23rd Sept 1899, now the Monterey is waking up the locals at Olongapo
by bombarding them from the ship, and just for the fun of it the
Charlestown, Zafiro and us joined in, sure beats sitting around in
harbour all the time.
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They are at it again.
funny page dates
https://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol026of040/vol026of040_094_1.jpg
(https://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol026of040/vol026of040_094_1.jpg)
is 26th
https://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol026of040/vol026of040_095_1.jpg
(https://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol026of040/vol026of040_095_1.jpg)
is 28th
https://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol026of040/vol026of040_096_1.jpg
(https://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol026of040/vol026of040_096_1.jpg)
is also 28th
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Somebody needs to tack a small calendar up on the wall and cross off the dates. ::)
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Can't remember what we do in a case like this where the WRs go from 2 to the line after noon?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol030of040/vol030of040_203_0.jpg
I am inclined to transcribe it as 1 to 12.
The current log keeper does this a lot.
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I don't remember seeing that particular combination.
I will ask Philip right away.
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Philip says:
Whatever we do here is going to cause a problem in data processing. Hmm.
I
think I agree with Craig - this is an error by the log-keeper where we
can transcribe what he meant (as TWYS is not really possible). Do put
them in as 1-12.
Note to all transcribers:
This is always tricky. Do not hesitate to ask how to handle an odd set
of data. Even where you do know what to do it may help the analysts if
you put a note in the corresponding Discussion topic.
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Colon, Colombia, is Colon, Panama now days.
What a pain in the **** that was to find. ;D
"
I
was confused for a while because they keep writing the location as
"Panama, U. S. of Columbia" (the "U" often looks like an "N").
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol030of040/vol030of040_232_0.jpg
I finally discovered that Panama was one of the states of the United States of Colombia so Colon, Colombia is correct until 1903. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_of_Colombia
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I ran across that on Jamestown 1866 ;D
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Hanibal94 passes the 8000 mark!
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22 Nov 1899 8 PM to Mid. (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol026of040/vol026of040_151_1.jpg)
At
10:30 a large fire started ashore apparently in the town of Le Paz
spreading rapidly until it covered a space several miles wide: At end of
watch it was dying down. It wasn't us! Honest!
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That fire is not mentioned in anything I can find about the war
there or in the area's history online. The whole second half of
1899 seems to be skipped over. I did find a very interesting
history by and of the city of Iloilo, it tends to follow thematic
strands rather than strict calendar order, but it is very
interesting. Concord's role/witness starts in chapter 6.
Well illustrated.
http://ilongo.weebly.com/iloilo-history-part-6.html
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We did have the effects of a dead person sold on board but we do not have him on our crew list.
https://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol026of040/vol026of040_152_1.jpg
merid -4pm second last line.
who is was he?
Michaels reply to my PM
He
looks like Jas. Hart (Oiler) but he wasn't on our list. Maybe he was on
Pampanga and they just sold his stuff on Concord which would be the
bigger boat.
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eikwar passes the 1500 mark!
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Something different.
Usually when they miss the baro readings they have put 'Cleared for action', this time they have put 'Orderly on duty ashore'
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol026of040/vol026of040_165_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol026of040/vol026of040_165_0.jpg)
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Another OOOPS! :-[ :-[ :-[
07 Dec 1899, 4 to 8 PM (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol026of040/vol026of040_166_1.jpg)
At
beginning of watch standing in for Concepcion on various courses in
wake of Paragua. At 4:47 while steaming at slow speed ran aground in
soft mud and sand bottom. Cast sounding before running aground = "One
quarter less four"; Commanding Officer, Executive Officer and Navigator
on bridge at the time. Immediately backed hard on both Engines and
signalled Paragua to come under our quarter and take a line. Which she
did: Got all hands aft on poop and had them run quickly from side to
side backing hard on both engines at same time while Pargua hauled on
line, but could not move her. Then cleared away port side and at 6:45
Pampanga came alongside and secured to this ship with her tow opposite
our stern in order to be ready to tow us off at high water.
8 P.M. to Mid.
At 10:00 called all hands. At 10:10 the Pampanga towed the ship off the bar.
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Something different.
Usually when they miss the baro readings they have put 'Cleared for action', this time they have put 'Orderly on duty ashore'
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol026of040/vol026of040_165_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol026of040/vol026of040_165_0.jpg)
:o
I thought the watch keeper was supposed to take the temperature and pressure readings.
Was it the orderly doing the sounding when they ran aground - with all the brass on the bridge?
I would have loved to see all hands running from side to side ;D
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16 Dec 1899 Romblon Harbor, Philippine Islands. John James, seaman,
was wounded in the knee while engaged in landing U. S. troops. Pvt.
Tilley 18th U.S. Infantry was killed i this landing.
RIP
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who was Tilley?
New officers
| Surname | | Alt name | | Given | | Position | | Comments | |
| Scott | | B. O. | Lieut Comdr | 18 Apr 1900 transferred to USS Brooklyn. |
| Cotton | | L. A. | Naval Cadet | 17 Feb 1900 transferred to USS Zafiro. |
| Standford | | N. R. | Civil Engineer | 17 Feb 1900 transferred to USS Zafiro. |
| Yates | | A. F. | Naval Cadet | 17 Feb 1900 transferred to USS Pampanga. |
| Leigh | | R. N. | Lieut | 12 Mar 1900 transferred to USS Oregon. |
| Poor | | C. L. | Ensign | 05 April 1900 transferred to USS Oregon. |
| Carpenter | | H. W. | Lieut USMC | 06 Apr 1900 transferred to Yokohama Hospital. |
| Nulton | | L. M. | Lieut | 11 Apr 1900 transferred to USS Bennington. |
| Mayer | | A. N. | Lieut | 17 Apr 1900 transferred to USS Yosemite. |
| Fisher | | C. H. | Naval Cadet | 23 Apr 1900 transferred to USS Brooklyn. |
| Albin | | D. V. | Lieut (J.G.) | 24 Apr 1900 transferred to USS Nashville. |
| Beig | Bieg | F. C. | Lieut | 2 May 1900 transferred to USS Monadrock. |
| Herbert | | W. C. | Lieut | 30 May 1900 transferred to USS Dixer. |
| McFarland | | N. G. | Lieut | 31 May 1900 transferred to USS Dixer. |
| Baughter | | Francis | Lieut | 06 June 1900 transferred to USS Solace. |
| Blamer | | D. W. | Lieut | 06 June 1900 transferred to USS Solace. |
| Boush | | C. F. | Lieut Comdr | 07 June 1900 transferred to USS Solace. |
| Craven | | J. E. | Lieut | 07 June 1900 transferred to USS Solace. |
| Brotherton | | W. D. | Lieut (J.G.) | 19 June 1900 transferred to USS Princeton. |
| Minett | | H. | Lieut Comdr | |
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Tilley was a Private in the 18th Infantry Regiment killed in the
landing at Romblon Harbor. The Concord took his body back to Iloilo. He
wasn't a member of the ship's crew.
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gastcra (Craig) passes the 30,000 mark!
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Hanibal94 hits the 9000 mark!
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Impressive! No resting on your Pioneer laurels - you guys are
setting the pace again. At this rate, the ships will all be
finished in just a few weeks! ;D
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Perhaps 100-day weeks, Kookaburra, but we're getting there ;D
We can go fast because Stuart and Michael are recording the interesting stuff.
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Me, I'm just doing a little bit each day because the Patterson is my primary target.
But once she's done, I will switch to the Concord full-time - I promise.
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Me, I'm just doing a little bit each day because the Patterson is my primary target.
But once she's done, I will switch to the Concord full-time - I promise.
Every
bit helps and you and Craig are really advancing the collection of the
weather data. I'm slow because as well as entering the various events,
I'm also logging all the places mentioned (looking up the lat/long URL
and alternate names) - about 150 in the Philippines so far. Stuart is
providing invaluable help in keeping track of all the people mentioned. I
think it important to document these little villages that we shoot up,
or where other military actions occur. The same goes for the people
mentioned. These events are very important in the history of both the
United States and the Philippines.
I hope that in Phase 4 that
only one copy, instead of three, for each event page would need to be
documented and people could choose to do just weather, or just events or
both. That way the people most interested in the events could work away
on those pages without slowing down the work on the weather records, or
have the events pages skipped by three people who are just interested
in getting the weather done.
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I
hope that in Phase 4 that only one copy, instead of three, for each
event page would need to be documented and people could choose to do
just weather, or just events or both. That way the people most
interested in the events could work away on those pages without slowing
down the work on the weather records, or have the events pages skipped
by three people who are just interested in getting the weather done.
Excellent idea, Michael! I'll second that.
Unfortunately,
it might not work 100% of the time because some ships have weather and
events on one page, like the Patterson from 1884 - 1890.
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We take what we get. I like doing both, but I'm an amateur historian at heart.
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Perhaps 100-day weeks, Kookaburra, but we're getting there ;D
We can go fast because Stuart and Michael are recording the interesting stuff.
Please don't usurp me. :'(
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Don't worry, Stuart - in the very unlikely event that I come close
to usurping you, I will switch to another ship until you have done some
more WR, then I will do just enough to catch up to you again. Rinse and
repeat as often as necessary.
And since you started the Concord a lot earlier than I did, your total will definitely be higher than mine in the end.
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:)
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It will be a while before I catch up to you, Stuart, unless you go
on anther world tour. Perhaps some new ships or a new interface will be
available by then. I am having trouble finding a ship where I don't
disrupt people. I certainly don't need the honour of being captain of
the Concord.
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It
will be a while before I catch up to you, Stuart, unless you go on
anther world tour. Perhaps some new ships or a new interface will be
available by then. I am having trouble finding a ship where I don't
disrupt people. I certainly don't need the honour of being captain of
the Concord.
You're not disrupting us by any means, Craig. As for being the new Captain, all I can say is :-X
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Craig.
I agree with you, who would want to be the Captain of the Concord with all the drunken fighting disrespectful crew.
(Michael may enjoy the change of Captain.)
A
few cruises are coming up in 2015 & 2016 (Hawaii, Greenland and
Northwest Passage, Fiji and the Med) maybe you could stand in for me
then as you are doing such a good job with the WR's.
As for disrupting us, you are so far ahead we don't even notice you are there (no disrespect intended).
I
hope that in Phase 4 that only one copy, instead of three, for each
event page would need to be documented and people could choose to do
just weather, or just events or both. That way the people most
interested in the events could work away on those pages without slowing
down the work on the weather records, or have the events pages skipped
by three people who are just interested in getting the weather done.
Excellent idea, Michael! I'll second that.
Unfortunately,
it might not work 100% of the time because some ships have weather and
events on one page, like the Patterson from 1884 - 1890.
I agree that is a good idea IN PRINCIPLE, but who decides to be the events coordinator?
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Craig.
I agree with you, who would want to be the Captain of the Concord with all the drunken fighting disrespectful crew.
(Michael may enjoy the change of Captain.)
A
few cruises are coming up in 2015 & 2016 (Hawaii, Greenland and
Northwest Passage, Fiji and the Med) maybe you could stand in for me
then as you are doing such a good job with the WR's.
As for disrupting us, you are so far ahead we don't even notice you are there (no disrespect intended).
I
hope that in Phase 4 that only one copy, instead of three, for each
event page would need to be documented and people could choose to do
just weather, or just events or both. That way the people most
interested in the events could work away on those pages without slowing
down the work on the weather records, or have the events pages skipped
by three people who are just interested in getting the weather done.
Excellent idea, Michael! I'll second that.
Unfortunately,
it might not work 100% of the time because some ships have weather and
events on one page, like the Patterson from 1884 - 1890.
I agree that is a good idea IN PRINCIPLE, but who decides to be the events coordinator?
In
your OW profile you would select a preference for entering just WRs,
just Events or both. The system would then have three streams for WRs,
and one for Events. The only people to enter WR data would be those who
chose to enter just WRs or both, and similarly for Events. No-one need
coordinate anything more than is done now. In fact, it is currently
possible that three people could be on a ship and each might decide that
the other ones will enter the Events and no-one actually does. This way
each Event page would be done by someone who wanted to do it.
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The PTB are looking into things like this.
With the wide variety of logbook formats it isn't easy.
No
one knows in advance if a page has weather, events, both
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol003of067/vol003of067_188_0.jpg),
or something else. So, we can't simply give someone weather pages.
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True, but for ships like Concord and others it could be done.
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What is more, how do you keep the logbooks for a single ship from
changing back and forth between "clean" copies and working deck
logs? And what happens with inserts where the "WR" n_0.jpg is
really an event log in the captain's hand?
The PTB are indeed
working on it, also on how to split WR pages in half so you can actually
finish something in half the time. It is not easy.
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No, I'm sure it isn't, but they are working on it, and that's
encouraging. Even if nothing can come of it, at least we know they
tried.
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I love misplaced modifiers!
J. F. Hayes (Lds) of the U.S.S.
Pampanga was placed in solitary confinement on bread and water for three
days for being drunk on duty by request of the Commanding Officer of
the Pampanga.
So, if your commander requests that you get drunk
while on duty,should you be punished? I want to talk to my
lawyer! ;D
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I love misplaced modifiers!
J.
F. Hayes (Lds) of the U.S.S. Pampanga was placed in solitary
confinement on bread and water for three days for being drunk on duty by
request of the Commanding Officer of the Pampanga.
So, if your
commander requests that you get drunk while on duty,should you be
punished? I want to talk to my lawyer! ;D
Bring back the comma - all is forgiven ;D ;D ;D
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Thank you for that one, Michael, it was a genuine belly laugh. ;D ;D
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16 Feb 1900 at Iloilo (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol027of040/vol027of040_053_1.jpg)
W.
Juraschka (B. M. 1 C) from the U.S.S. Mariveles and who had been a
prisoner in Insurgent hands for some 4 months reported on board he
having been released by the Insurgents on the 5th near Sara and made his
way to the army forces and thence to Iloilo.
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It seems to me that since Commander Ackley took over that the
temperature/wet bulb readings seem more reasonable. At 5:00 PM on 28 Feb
1900 the temperature/wet bulb was 83/75 a spread of 8F. This is, to my
recollection, a record spread for this ship in the tropics and gives a
relative humidity of 69%. Before him, the readings would have been 83/82
or 83/81. I wonder if he has told the crew to move to a different
part of the ship. I can't prove it, and I don't have the time or
patience to examine the readings before and after Comdr Ackley took
over, but...
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He may just be keeping the wet sock reservoir filled.
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He may just be keeping the wet sock reservoir filled.
True dat!
Years
ago, Concord time, there was a note about them having to move to a
different part of the ship because they were standing on or near a
hatch. The spread was noticeably different for a while, but then it
reverted. A couple of weeks ago, Concord time, the Yorktown was
anchored near them and the temperatures and wet bulbs of the two ships
were very close. (Their barometers were a bit different.). Of course,
no-one will really know. Having looked at weather data for a profession
for 40 years these questions just naturally arise.
Feb 07 1900
4:00
PM
Concord NE 5 30.08 82 80 77 oc S
Cu 0
4:00
PM Yorktown E 3 29.99 82 80 77 bc Fr-Cu 2
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Hanibal94 passes the 10,000 mark!
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Good timing, Hanibal. Just as we reach 60%!
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Thanks - whoever knew just 5 dates per day could end up counting for so much?
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Full house of obs today (4 sets) :o (first Concord full set I have seen for YEARS)
Now which is last one to be entered to align with the side panel (noon obs or dr ?)
Would not have anything to do with Punishment day? ::)
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A full house has become pretty common, Stuart.
How about this! We can only applaud the log keeper's efforts:
Mer. to 4 PM Drilled apprentices and landsmen at practical penmanship.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol033of040/vol033of040_054_1.jpg
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Love that exercise!!
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It looks more like seamanship to me :(
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Randi's correct. What a pity - even I would appreciate clear handwriting.
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I am disappointed. Too good to be true, I guess.
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Wow Craig 33/40, I am still on 27/40.
Even just doing the Obs that is fair moving.
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I spend about 3 hours a day on it, Stuart. I'm not fast like Hanibal.
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Must be junior watch officer training day and someone wants to show off whilst at sea.
wind
NE by E 1/2 E
(and it remained that dir for 3 hrs)
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On Jamestown (1844) that would probably have been recorded as Nd + Ed.
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The Albatross enjoys doing very accurate courses, with SWbyW7/8W
being pretty normal. I'm just waiting for SWbyW15/16W to appear!
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How do they think they can be that accurate at sea?
I can only do the cardinals with MY wet thumb. ::)
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They are a science ship, trained to be precise on detail whether or
not that precision is needed. The difference between a
mathematician and an engineer. :)
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Comments from Kevin: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3513.msg70028#msg70028
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They
are a science ship, trained to be precise on detail whether or not that
precision is needed. The difference between a mathematician and
an engineer. :)
Actually,
it's rather pointless to record more detail than you can reliably
determine your result to, and it's heavily discouraged in science to
give your results to a higher precision than you know you can measure.
At best you're wasting time, and at worst you may lead others to believe
that your experiment/measurement was more accurate than it really was.
For example, it's an endless task trying to convince physics students
not to write down every digit their calculator gives - the numbers they
put in were only given to three decimal places, and so there's clearly
no way that the 10th digit after the decimal point has no meaning!
As
Kevin alludes to in Randi's link, it seems very doubtful that the wind
direction was measured to within 3 degrees of accuracy, and also that it
stayed within those three degrees for a whole hour.
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Danny, that statement shows you are an excellent engineer. You are more interested in function than accuracy. :)
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You will all have heard of the glass half full or half empty.
Well to an engineer it was built twice as big as needed.
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I agree with Danny.
It is not mathematician vs. engineer.
Having more digits after the decimal point is more precise.
However, it is not more accurate if they are incorrect.
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/accuracy
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Very true, that. :)
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I count 208 guns fired in Yokohama on 18 April 1900.
At 2:30
Rear Admiral Kempff hoisted his flag on the Oregon and fired a salute of
13 guns. The Baltimore returned the salute with 13 guns. At 3: PM Rear
Admiral Renney hoisted the senior Admirals flag aboard the Brooklyn and
fired a salute of 13 guns. Rear Admiral Watson hauled down the senior
Admirals flag and hoisted the 2nd in ranks flag. Rear Admiral Kempff
hauled down the 2nd in rank flag and hoisted the Junior Admirals flag.
The Baltimore and Oregon fired a salute of 13 guns respectively and and
answered by the Flagship. The Russian Cruiser, Admiral Corniloff and
Italian Cruiser Calabria saluted the flag of Rear Admiral Renney with 13
guns The salutes were returned gun for gun by the Brooklyn: Brooklyn
fired a salute of 13 guns each with French and British flag at the fore
which was returned gun for gun by the French and British Flagships
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Interesting addendum (I think that is the right word)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol027of040/vol027of040_119_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol027of040/vol027of040_119_1.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol027of040/vol027of040_120_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol027of040/vol027of040_120_1.jpg)
Seems they were getting all fouled up over a few barnacles.
So whats a few knots between friends.
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Interesting addendum (I think that is the right word)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol027of040/vol027of040_119_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol027of040/vol027of040_119_1.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol027of040/vol027of040_120_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol027of040/vol027of040_120_1.jpg)
Seems they were getting all fouled up over a few barnacles.
So whats a few knots between friends.
I hope you entered all that under Events! You're the Captain, you should set a good example.
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Err, well, err sorry but I did not. :-[
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No need to blush, Stuart - I never enter stuff like that, even when I'm the captain!
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I count 208 guns fired in Yokohama on 18 April 1900.
At 2:30 Rear Admiral Kempff hoisted his flag on the Oregon and fired a salute of 13 guns.
The same events were recorded on the Albatross - by Rear Admiral Kempff's son, Ensign Clarence Selby Kempff!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol036of055/vol036of055_054_1.jpg
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I count 208 guns fired in Yokohama on 18 April 1900.
At 2:30 Rear Admiral Kempff hoisted his flag on the Oregon and fired a salute of 13 guns.
The same events were recorded on the Albatross - by Rear Admiral Kempff's son, Ensign Clarence Selby Kempff!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol036of055/vol036of055_054_1.jpg
Very interesting! I have seen mentions of Yorktown in the Concord's logs, but none of Albatross. I'll keep my eyes open for her.
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Very interesting! I have seen mentions of Yorktown in the Concord's logs, but none of Albatross. I'll keep my eyes open for her.
I've
got her down as docked in Yokohama from 04/03/1904 to 23/04/1904,
before spending some time surveying around the coast of Japan, including
a couple more visits to Yokohama. She set off in June for Alaska,
sailing via via Hokkaido and Petroplavosk.
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Oh, the poor things on the Brooklyn. 8-mer line 5
Please transfer to Brooklyn Steerage Steward & Mess Attendants as soon as possible as we have no servants on board.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol027of040/vol027of040_128_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol027of040/vol027of040_128_1.jpg)
They nicked 3 to Brooklyn & 1 to Newark.
Looks like I will have to be serving my own tea soon. >:(
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Poor babies, :'(
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10 May 1900
B. Chronometer Negas 1801. allowed to run down to prevent injury. Chronometer very irregular.
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gastcra (Craig) passes the 40,000 mark!
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Great work, Craig!
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10 May 1900
B. Chronometer Negas 1801. allowed to run down to prevent injury. Chronometer very irregular.
Was the Captain threatening to throw it at the record keeper? ;D
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What a man!!!
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Not sure if this new guy had a lisp when he gave his name
Sthephens
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There's an unusual scanning pattern in the series:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol034of040/vol034of040_170_0.jpg
to 076_0.jpg (Feb 19, 1906)
Normally, you can
skip a page that is obscured by inserts because it is repeated but in
this series the page with an insert contains information that is not
visible in the repeated page because the insert is scrolled up but not
removed. For example, in 070 you can see the AM but not the PM while in
071 you can see the PM but only part of the AM.
In the subsequent
two pages: 072 to 073 ( representing Feb 20) it is the same pattern but
it is scanned a third time in 074. the latter can be skipped
In pages 076 and 077 (Feb. 21) it is the same thing as 70 and 71.
Looking ahead further, the same thing happens in 79-80 and 85-86 and even further. I will complete this list as I go.
I realized this after skipping 070 and had to go back and transcribe the AM.
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I think that happens when the glue holding it in place is as old as the ink. :(
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That was my impression too, Janet. They didn't want to tear the page.
This
will cause problems for Philip. I guess this should be mentioned on the
appropriate page for scanning problems as well as here.
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I don't think it's a serious problem, if it can't be read at all the
3 transcribers will skip the same lines and the computer won't even
hiccup. Tho I think he finds notice of these things easier if they
are indeed on that "defective scans" page.
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How shall we transcribers proceed? Should we transcribe all the AM WR for the first page, and all the PM WR for the second?
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That makes sense to me. Is that what Craig did?
It is probably best to handle it the same way.
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Yes, that's what I have done. I figured it would be to difficult
(and error prone) to put them together on one page since I would have to
work from a printed copy.
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(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_3254.gif)
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I like!! 8)
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Michael and/or I will do the same. (If we can remember in 6yrs log time)
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You will notice it when you skip a page with an insert and when you
get to the following page you find that the scrolled up insert hides
most of the AM section, Stuart. At that point, you have to go back to
the page you skipped and transcribe the AM.
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I will do the same - I can remember this kind of stuff easily.
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Enjoy your memory while you can.
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16th Jun 1900 E & W mixed up in Location
Should be E.
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Short lasting high pressure system? 5-8am
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol027of040/vol027of040_185_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol027of040/vol027of040_185_0.jpg)
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Change of logbook design.
Additional column for direction of clouds
Old
https://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol027of040/vol027of040_007_0.jpg
(https://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol027of040/vol027of040_007_0.jpg)
New
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol028of040/vol028of040_007_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol028of040/vol028of040_007_0.jpg)
Not a big deal, just be careful you do not run the direction letter onto the cloud type entry.
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Also reverses % clear to % cloud. :)
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But continue to transcribe the number as it is written in the log ;)
The science team is aware of this problem.
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Also reverses % clear to % cloud. :)
Missed that one. :-[
I also missed that it is Moving Form not Moving From.
This
could make it hard to work out where Form of cloud ends and Moving Form
starts in some long entries. See here mid morning.
(https://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol028of040/vol028of040_010_0.jpg)
Seems the scribe missed that one also, as we have Moving Form as sse (a direction) and ci (a cloud form) on the first day. Am I forgiven?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol028of040/vol028of040_008_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol028of040/vol028of040_008_0.jpg)
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Just to let you know that sometimes the PM is obscured so I
transcribe the AM and then the following log day I notice that neither
the AM or the PM obscured. If I looked ahead I would notice this
and could just do the good page but this doesn't happen often. Since
there are inserts almost every day while in port I would be constantly
looking ahead, which would slow me down a lot.
So if the PM is obscured I do the AM and then I do the PM on the following page.
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Here's a case of three scans for the same page (this doesn't happen often)
The
first page shows the AM
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol035of040/vol035of040_079_0.jpg
The
second page shows no complete section
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol035of040/vol035of040_080_0.jpg
The
third page shows the PM
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol035of040/vol035of040_081_0.jpg
The
notice on 080_0 saying "all unique information in the document is
visible in this image" suggests that there's nothing more to come, but
you should ignore it.
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12 July 1900
Received official signal from Isla de Cuba as per
copy: "5:40, Isla Cu. to C.: Have a few cases of mumps on board; surgeon
advises no visiting parties."
I guess they didn't have mandatory MMR vaccinations! ;D ;D ;D
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Here's one of the few pages (so far) where the AM is not completely
visible. In one earlier case only 12 AM was obscured but here 9-12 AM is
obscured.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol035of040/vol035of040_185_0.jpg
The subsequent page (186_0) shows the PM for August 12, 1906 but nothing more for the AM
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(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-060.gif) Pommy Stuart passes the 60,000 mark! (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-061.gif)
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That's some ace work, Captain! 8)
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Bravo, Stuart! I may never catch you. 8)
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(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-060.gif) Pommy Stuart passes the 60,000 mark! (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-061.gif)
Stay healthy and don't catch the mumps whatever you do! We need you to keep discipline on board. ;)
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Um... discipline?
I must be mixing Concord up with another ship that has a troublesome crew ;)
;D
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Um... discipline?
I must be mixing Concord up with another ship that has a troublesome crew ;)
;D
Must be that.
Only
one person confined in irons and two reduced in conduct rank in the
past 48 hours. Mind you, if they go onshore they get shot at, which cuts
down on the number of AWOLs and the opportunity to get drunk and/or
smuggle liquor on board. Although there are opportunities to mouth off,
sleep while on watch, smoke when the smoking light is off, have clothes
in the lucky bag, be slow to respond to orders, drink the from the
officer's water jug, don't get up when called, hide during General
Quarters, be improperly dressed... :-X
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Also reverses % clear to % cloud. :)
Missed that one. :-[
I also missed that it is Moving Form not Moving From.
This
could make it hard to work out where Form of cloud ends and Moving Form
starts in some long entries. See here mid morning.
(https://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol028of040/vol028of040_010_0.jpg)
Seems the scribe missed that one also, as we have Moving Form as sse (a direction) and ci (a cloud form) on the first day. Am I forgiven?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol028of040/vol028of040_008_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol028of040/vol028of040_008_0.jpg)
Do
the PTB want both cloud groups entered: the Form of clouds and the
moving form? Sometimes they different, sometimes the same, and sometimes
there are dittoes in one column but not the other. I've been entering
just the first column see here
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol028of040/vol028of040_040_0.jpg).
I suspect the cloud types aren't too relevant, but ...
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If there is only one entry box for type (or "form") of clouds, you
can't enter the second in the WR. Do the best you can with what
you have, as I see it.
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If
there is only one entry box for type (or "form") of clouds, you can't
enter the second in the WR. Do the best you can with what you
have, as I see it.
Thanks, that's what I've been doing. It's interesting to see the evolution of weather reporting over time.
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The standard policy is that we don't enter Moving From because there is no box for it.
There
appears to be a typo in Concord's log form. It is corrected on this
page:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol028of040/vol028of040_058_0.jpg
It
is also correct in Unalga's log book:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Unalga/b0140_cr2_to_jpg/b0140_019_0.jpg
We
did not know about that when we did Concord's Reference topic. That has
come up with some of the more recent ships like Unalga:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3332.msg55796#msg55796
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The standard policy is that we don't enter Moving From because there is no box for it.
There
appears to be a typo in Concord's log form. It is corrected on this
page:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol028of040/vol028of040_058_0.jpg
It
is also correct in Unalga's log book:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Unalga/b0140_cr2_to_jpg/b0140_019_0.jpg
We
did not know about that when we did Concord's Reference topic. That has
come up with some of the more recent ships like Unalga:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3332.msg55796#msg55796
The
correction in the log book is most helpful. Moving From makes sense,
but the log writer was entering cloud abbreviations, not directions, in
the Moving Form column, which implied to me that he was listing clouds
that were moving. I interpreted | Cu | Ci | 10| to be Overcast cloud
(10) with Cumulus being stationary and Cirrus moving. Had he put
something like |Cu | NW | 10 | the interpretation would have
been clear: Overcast Cumulus moving from the Northwest.
It was
having cloud types entered in both boxes that confused me, and obviously
having Moving Form confused the observer, too. Obviously they didn't
get any instructions. I even looked around at the start of the log book
hoping to see some instructions, but none were to be found.
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There is a mercurial barometer reading recorded a couple of times a
day. This is typically a half an inch higher than the standard reading,
which has been consistently around 29.50 Does the science team want this
additional information?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol036of040/vol036of040_116_0.jpg
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Philip says:
It's interesting to know this, as we might use it in
looking at barometer calibration and biases, but it's not necessary to
input these extra measurements - feel free to skip them.
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The mercurial barometer(s) were recorded beginning March 9, 1907 but
they are not recorded consistently. There is usually one AM and one PM
reading.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol036of040/vol036of040_092_0.jpg
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gastcra (Craig) passes the 50,000 mark!
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Way to go, Craig! 8) :D
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Thanks, Hanibal and Randi. Only 2.5 years of log pages to go.
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Congrats, Craig! We're paddling along in your wake...
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This is the "best possible image" for the PM section for August 6, 1907. The AM is visible on a previous page.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol036of040/vol036of040_269_0.jpg
I transcribed what is visible for the PM.
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Whoever glued those lists in was really not thinking that day!
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If you could go back and glue his fingers together with crazy glue,
Janet, I would be much obliged. His writing if often very difficult to
decipher - like writing his 2s sideways and confusing 6s, 8s and 9s.
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Remember the Blenheim ;D
At least this was imaged the correct size ;)
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I was young and impressionable when I did the Blenheim, Randi ;D
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Probably a world record wind speed!
Concord, 28 Aug 1900
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol028of040/vol028of040_072_0.jpg)
anchored at Cebu in the Philippine Islands at 11 A.M.
I've enlarged the relevant portion to prove there's no comma, dash or period. Force 23! ;)
Force 12 is Hurricane. Force 23 would be about 210 kmh sustained.
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Oh, the importance of dashes!! :o ;D
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;D
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Here's a interesting little message from the USS Marietta to USS Concord, in Cebu, 06 Sep 1900.
Received
following signal from Marietta, at 4:45: "Weather report just received
states that there is a depression far out in the Pacific East of Luzon.
Weather suspicious".
This made me wonder if there was a system of
weather forecasts for the US Navy in the year 1900. I found this link:
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_weather_forecasting#United_States)
The
first attempt as a marine weather program within the United States was
initiated in New Orleans, Louisiana by the United States Army Signal
Corps. A January 23, 1873 memo directed the New Orleans Signal Observer
to transcribe meteorological data from the ship logs of those arriving
in port.[2] Marine forecasting responsibility transferred from the
United States Navy to the Weather Bureau in 1904, which enabled the
receipt of timely observations from ships at sea.
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Which explains the blue and red editing pencil marks in some of our
logs, indicating they were working with barometer readings. :)
History
of taking land weather readings by the Smithsonian
(http://siarchives.si.edu/history/exhibits/henry/meteorology) goes back
to 1848.
The US Weather Service (http://www.weather.gov/timeline) took that over in a much more extensive and organized manner in 1870.
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Which
explains the blue and red editing pencil marks in some of our logs,
indicating they were working with barometer readings. :)
History
of taking land weather readings by the Smithsonian
(http://siarchives.si.edu/history/exhibits/henry/meteorology) goes back
to 1848.
The US Weather Service (http://www.weather.gov/timeline) took that over in a much more extensive and organized manner in 1870.
Similarly
here in Canada. The Canadian Weather Service, with various names and
under various departments, started in 1871. I was just interested to see
forecasts of depressions for US Navy ships in the Philippines. The next
day (or the day after that) they got ready for a typhoon, although
nothing happened other than some Force 7 winds for a couple of hours.
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Put this in under Strange things done!
Signal at 7:45: "M."
to "C.", "And Shem and Japeth took a garment laid it on both their
shoulders went backwards and covered the nakedness of their father faces
were." Tried to get "M." to repeat signal, but they would not. This
signal made by Ardois.
From Genesis 9:23.
USS Marietta must have been practicing their signalling skills.
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An interesting choice of Bible verse. "Even when your Powers That Be makes mistakes, you shall show respect."
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When I worked in a NORAD weather office at C.F.B. Chatham (N. B.)
back in the 1970s, we would send, "The quick red fox jumped over the
lazy brown dog." to test the teletype circuits. Getting tired of typing
this over and over, one day I sent, "Workers of the world unite, you've
got nothing to lose but your chains." Like Queen Victoria, the PTBs were
not amused. ; ;D
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I thought I'd try Watson one more time: I entered some of the data
from 13 Sep 1900 when the results of two Summary Court Martials were
published, lots of stuff was chucked overboard, etc etc.
Name USS Concord
Big 5
Openness 100%
Adventurousness100%
Artistic interests 47%
Emotionality 0%
Imagination 100%
Intellect 100%
Authority-challenging 100% Definitely
Conscientiousness 97%
Achievement striving 97%
Cautiousness 98%
Dutifulness 7%
Orderliness 1%
Self-discipline 86% I don't think so!!!
Self-efficacy 94%
Extraversion 0%
Activity level 64%
Assertiveness 0%
Cheerfulness 0%
Excitement-seeking 0%
Outgoing 0%
Gregariousness 0%
Agreeableness 1%
Altruism 4%
Cooperation 97%
Modesty 1%
Uncompromising 22%
Sympathy 98%
Trust 82%
Emotional range 3%
Fiery 1%
Prone to worry 0%
Melancholy 1%
Immoderation 3%
Self-consciousness 6%
Susceptible to stress 0%
Needs
Challenge 54%
Closeness 5%
Curiosity 96%
Excitement 100%
Harmony 100%
Ideal 100%
Liberty 88%
Love 7%
Practicality 100%
Self-expression 0%
Stability 50%
Structure 0%
Values
Conservation 75%
Openness to change 63%
Hedonism 3% As in they hardly ever get drunk!
Self-enhancement 95%
Self-transcendence 1%
Here's the text...
At
6:00 the U.S.S. Marietta got under way and stood out of harbor through
N.E. channel. At 5:50 Marietta signaled: "We find that our chain has
kinks in it."
While loading a revolver in the Armory, it slipped
from the Armorer's hands and was accidentally discharged, shattering the
stock of one Lee rifle.
At 6:20 the American steamer San Bernardino
came in through N.E. channel and anchored. At 6:50 Marietta hauled down
Senior Officer's pennant.
Ensign Mitchell on board the "Amoy" on duty in connection with search for forbidden articles.
At
10:15 had general muster and published the orders, specifications,
findings, and sentences in the Summary Court martial cases of E. W.
Dwyer, (Lds.), [offense, interfering in an arrest on board ship:
sentence, "solitary confinement in double irons on bread and water for
fifteen (15) days, with full rations every third day] and A. W. Miller,
(F., 2C.), [offense, striking a Master-at-Arms while the latter was in
the execution of the duties of his office; sentence, solitary
confinement in double irons on bread and water for thirty (30) days,
with full ration every third day; and to lose three months' pay,
amounting to ninety dollars, ($90.00). That part of the sentence
involving loss of pay is referred to the Secretary of the Navy.]
These sentences were carried into effect at once, and, by order of
the Comdg. Officer, the period of solitary confinemt in double irons is
to date from Sept. 13, in the case of E. W. Dwyer, (Lds.), and from
Sept. 12 in the case of A. W. Miller, (F., 2C), these being the dates of
the approval of the respective sentences.
W. H. Matthews, (A. 1C.),
returned on board 6 days, 18 hrs. overtime from liberty. The Comdg.
Officer awarded the following punishment to R. E. Loeber, (Lds.), for
leaving a boat ashore without permission and being brought on board by
the police: 10 days confinement in double irons.
Sent boarding Petty
Officer aboard the following vessels: "Masie", (banca); "Atansio,"
(lorcha); "Ignacio", (banca); and "Rosario" (prau).
The following
articles condemned by a Board of Survey were thrown overboard in
accordance with the approved recommendation of the Board: 2 dish pans, 1
carving fork, 3 cook's knives, 1 ladle, 5", 16 pie plates, 13 sauce
pans, 1 Butler's tray, 1 cook's salt box, 1 set cake cutters, 1 Egg
whip, 1 fish boiler, 1 Grater, 1/2 sheet; 1 ice pick, 13 muffin cups, 2
sauce pots, 1 sieve.
Sent Boarding Petty Officer to "Tres Hermanos"
(banca), "Gato" (banca), "Oja" (banca), and "Taragoza" (banca). Sent
liberty party ashore.
Liberty party returned: R. E. Spooner (F., 2
C.), 3/4 hour overtime. Sent B. P. Q. aboard two vessels. Two small
steamers left port.
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;D
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We should get Watson to analyze our OW Forum comments. ;D
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The log keeper is sometimes recording two readings per hour for wind
direction and wind strength. He does this frequently for the cloud
type. I am recording both readings in the wind boxes, like I have been
doing for the cloud type. Of course, we have no way of indicating that
these readings apply to different time periods, unfortunately.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_064_0.jpg
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It looks like the wind information, unlike the clouds, is two distinct entries - see 12.30.
You do have to guess the time...
For the 9am line/box I would do:
8:30 West 2
9:00 all the data
That is consistent with the 12.30 written in just after noon.
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Look at the clouds at 11 PM,Randi. There you see Ci on one line and
Ci Cu underneath. I transcribe this as Ci Ci Cu, which doesn't
make any sense unless it is for two different time periods. This is
standard practice for this logger and I am pretty sure that in all
cases when he puts cloud codes on two lines it means two different
times.
I am not arguing for putting in an extra line each time this happens though.
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I was assuming that there were two different cloud types at the same time: Cirrus and Cirrocumulus.
I don't think it all fits on one line.
:-\
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He often has two lines for clouds even when they would fit easily on
one. This is why I am quite sure they indicate different times.
If
we must capture two lines for each hour when there are 2 wind
observations - 7 and 7:30 for example, I presume we put the rest of the
readings in the first line?
And, as in at 7 PM in this page, when the two wind readings are identical, is it still necessary two put in two lines.
Forgot to add this: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_066_0.jpg
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Every where he has double cloud types, he also has two dittos under
wind direction. I'd say that means these are all half hour extra
readings for just wind and clouds.
Someone is OCD about weather operations. :)
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Every
where he has double cloud types, he also has two dittos under wind
direction. I'd say that means these are all half hour extra
readings for just wind and clouds.
Not
everywhere - 10 and 11pm here
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_064_0.jpg)
have double cloud types but not double wind entries, and the morning
has double wind entries but not double cloud types. The following page
has double cloud types but not double wind entries
I have seen an awful lot of pages with multiple cloud types in one box where nothing else was duplicated.
I will check with Philip.
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If
we must capture two lines for each hour when there are 2 wind
observations - 7 and 7:30 for example, I presume we put the rest of the
readings in the first line?
This is how I would do http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_066_0.jpg:
6
" 2 29.73 71
69 69 OC " 10
6:30 " 3
7
" 3 29.74 71
68 68 " " 10
On
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_064_0.jpg,
look how 12:30 is written in under Noon.
clarified ;)
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In earlier logs, they would often put in wind observations whenever
the wind changed, so I'd understand sub-hourly observations if they are
different - they are trying to add detail to the record.
I can't
think of a reason why they would want to double-up on observations when
they are the same, but maybe we'll eventually work it out.
Please
do input all the observations (I like Randi's plan for how) - as I've
said before, in the past whenever we've said, "oh, we don't need that
observation, leave it out", we've ended up regretting it - I would like
to be able to say 'we've got ALL the weather records, even the strange
ones'.
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Another comment from Philip --- I explained how often there were two lines of cloud codes ;)
If the difference is just cloud codes and/or wind directions I'd be
happy for them to be combined into one entry - just type both entries
for the same hour into the same box.(Sometimes we get multiple info for a
single ob anyway).
But if there are sub-hourly pressures or temperatures, please do enter them as 2 separate obs.
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emoticon for relief 8) 8) 8)
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I just noticed that January 3rd, 1901, seems to be completely missing - the book goes straight from January 2nd to 4th:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol029of040/vol029of040_007_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol029of040/vol029of040_007_1.jpg - Jan 2nd
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol029of040/vol029of040_008_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol029of040/vol029of040_008_1.jpg - Jan 4th
I checked the end of the log book, but it's not there either.
Craig, could you please take a look through your 'My Pages' and see if you ever got it?
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Sorry, Hanibal. It would take me too long to get there from either
direction using the awkward page links at the bottom of the screen. I
probably wouldn't have mentioned in my notebook a jump of a single
day. I did record some big jumps from Feb 1902 to June 16 1903 and
another one from August 1904 to Sept 1905, and another one from August
1906 to Jan. 1 1907. (I don't record the exact date of the last page
before the jump - only the first date of the new log. I'll let you know
if any of these show up at the end.
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I've had problems trying to figure out just what they are trying to
report with their clouds. (Mind you, I'm back in 1900.) I've seen cloud
in two lines in one box:
S.
Cu. Stratus becoming cumulus? Stratus and Cumulus occurring at the same time?
I've
seen clouds with a plus sign in between: S. + Cu. (Probably
Stratus and Cumulus, but I've seen the + only a few times.)
I've
seen clouds with a dash between: S.-Cu. (Probably
Stratocumulus Str-Cum. Again, the dash has occurred only very
infrequently.)
I've seen things like A. S. (Alt-Str. There are only two cloud types starting with A., so it must be Alt-Str)
But what about S. Cu.? (Atr-Cum, or Str and Cum?)
What
about Ci. S. Cu.? Cirrostratus and Cumulus? Cirrus and
Stratocumulus? Cirrus, Stratus and Cumulus? A mix of Cirrostratus and
cirrocumulus?
There seems to be no consistency. Modern usage
would have the cloud types listed from low to high, with distinct
abbreviations for each cloud type. I suppose coding like this inspired a
more consistent and logical way to report cloud.
Looking at the
links Craig posted, I think that if we assume that the clouds occurring
on two lines in a given box when the wind also occurs on two lines in a
given box represent clouds at two different times we see too big a
change every 30 minutes. It makes more sense, to me, that there are two
cloud types occurring at the same time. At least for the hours 1-3 PM
and 9-11 PM
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_064_0.jpg).
It's a puzzle!
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This cloud code stuff is rather confusing - that's why I never think
about it too much. I just do TWYS and let the scientists sort out the
mess.
Sorry,
Hanibal. It would take me too long to get there from either direction
using the awkward page links at the bottom of the screen.....
OK,
I'm gonna assume the page for Jan 3rd 1901 is completely missing -
never scanned and never uploaded - because the URL numbers and the page numbers (the ones visible under 'My Pages') don't have any gaps. They just keep going like nothing's wrong.
As
to the gaps: Feb 1902 - June 1903 and Aug 1904 - Sep 1905 are expected,
because the Concord was out of commission at these times, according to
NavalHistory. But the Aug 1906 - Jan 1907 one is strange - that one is
not mentioned on NavalHistory or Wikipedia, and the list of logs doesn't
mention such a thing either:
29 01 January 1901 - 01 July 1901
30 02 July 1901 - 31 December 1901
31 01 January 1902 - 26 February 1902
32 15 June 1903 - 19 January 1904
33 20 January 1904 - 26 August 1904
34 16 September 1905 - 17 May 1906
35 17 May 1906 - 31 December 1906
36 01 January 1907 - 28 August 1907
37 30 August 1907 - 20 April 1908
38 21 April 1908 - 17 December 1908
39 18 December 1908 - 18 August 1909
40 19 August 1909 - 04 November 1909
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Cloud codes:
Michael: Thanks
Hanibal94: Me too
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Regarding Jan 3rd 1901, for us consider it skipped and move on - I
don't think we need to know if the scanner or the log keeper who copied
everything into the clean log is the culprit. Randi, Gina may wish
to know tho this was much earlier than her work - or maybe not.
Regarding
cloud types, I assume "not modern". I also assume "not official" -
they will all be using what feels obvious to each as the
abbreviation. I also assume anything on the same line or indented
as needing more space but wants to be on one line as same
reading and would do Hanibal's TWYS. If it looks like it is
deliberately being give a different line, I would assume it is an extra
reading at the half hour - BUT Philip has already said he doesn't need
separate readings for the cloud types. So we are back to doing
TWYS in one box.
I question only if it is worth worrying about
reading clearly what was really in the sky, altho I admit to drawing
pictures in my mind of the more complex readings - seeing swiftly moving
clouds of the second type moving in and replacing the first. The
kind of sky that is fun to watch. :)
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I sent Gina an FYI email ;)
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There has been an insurrection in the wardroom and our brave and
noble Captain Stuart, of lo these many years, has been deposed by that
young upstart Craig. Long live the captain. (I hope this means you will
restore a little more discipline to your motley crew.) In the meantime,
I'm going to celebrate with an afternoon libation. ;)
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Congrats to both her captains? Looks like a good partnership. ;)
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Just a notice to Captain Craig. It was a tradition for the new
Captain to buy drinks to all the wardroom officers. Ignorance of
tradition is no excuse! I'm waiting...
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Certainly, Michael. An extra barrel of rum has already been ordered for the officers.
I
just want to reassure everyone that it was a rather peaceful
transition. I had Stuart put ashore at Shanghai and some nice fellows
came along and offered him a job he couldn't refuse. It seems they're
always looking for experienced sailors there. ;D
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My Captain. He's a good man, and thorough! (To quote Maude from The Big Lebowski.)
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Certainly, Michael. An extra barrel of rum has already been ordered for the officers.
I
just want to reassure everyone that it was a rather peaceful
transition. I had Stuart put ashore at Shanghai and some nice fellows
came along and offered him a job he couldn't refuse. It seems they're
always looking for experienced sailors there. ;D
Now look at what you made me do, sail away into the blue yonder.
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Congrats on becoming the Captain, Craig!
Now, where's my drink? (No alcohol, please)
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Craig, Stuart..you make me laugh - what jolly Captains you are ;D ;D ;D
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Losing your Captain's job has really taken a load off your shoulders! You look like you're a mile high! ;D
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(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-060.gif) gastcra (Craig) passes the 60,000 mark! (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-061.gif)
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* Piping aboard Captain gastcra (Craig) *
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Here's an interesting and VERY mysterious line from Concord: 21 Nov
1900
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol028of040/vol028of040_166_1.jpg):
Received on board a person, as passenger, to assist later in carrying out the Commander in Chiefs orders.
It's
the first time that I can remember when the person's name, position or
rank, and purpose was not listed! Is this person an early version of
James Bond???
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Very, very strange.
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This would be during the Philippine Insurrection...here is a thesis
from the Naval Postgraduate School that describes the Navy's role
(Concord and Yorktown are mentioned).
http://calhoun.nps.edu/handle/10945/1288 Looks like a dirty business.
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That's the one Kevin.
Thanks.
(P.S. only 140 days to go till my NW passage trip) :)
p.p.s. The Concord heads up to the Alaska in about the same number of Log Book days from my current transcribing date.
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How wonderful to get to actually see it.
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Oh for the love of baseball in a war zone...
Concord: 03 Dec
1900
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol028of040/vol028of040_179_1.jpg)
anchored of Kagayan, Philippine Islands:
A base ball party, armed, left the ship about 11:15 to go to Kagayan under army escort.
...
Baseball party returned at 5:30
No results on the outcome of the game or games. Usually that means they didn't win. :'(
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http://philippineamericanwar.webs.com/
(http://www.freewebs.com/philippineamericanwar/Cagayan%20de%20Misamis%20ballgame%201900-1901.jpg)
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Amazing!!!!
How did you ever find that picture! (I know, Google.) ;)
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;D
It was really just a remarkable bit of luck.
I searched for "Philippine Islands 1900 baseball" using DuckDuckGo.
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I am like others beginning to hate this writer and his cloud formations. (and I like Michael are only on the end of 1900).
:'(
By the way, Nice find Randi.
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Thanks!
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I just noticed that January 3rd, 1901, seems to be completely missing - the book goes straight from January 2nd to 4th:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol029of040/vol029of040_007_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol029of040/vol029of040_007_1.jpg - Jan 2nd
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol029of040/vol029of040_008_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol029of040/vol029of040_008_1.jpg - Jan 4th
I checked the end of the log book, but it's not there either.
Craig, could you please take a look through your 'My Pages' and see if you ever got it?
Gina
says the page must have been skipped by accident. She emailed it to me.
If anyone one wants it, let me know. There aren't any crew members or
officers mentioned (except for the usual commander, log keepers, and
navigator).
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I'm happy to let it be. Thanks, Randi. I'm still in awe over that
picture. Told our dinner guests last night about it. They were just as
impressed. Couldn't talk them into joining OW though. Should have given
them more wine and signed them up. ;)
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Not sure whats happened here but it seems the dock moved at Mer. ???
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol029of040/vol029of040_090_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol029of040/vol029of040_090_0.jpg)
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Good grief, they steered North all day, they took the dock and a
full complement of dock workers and water supply with them!! :o :o ::)
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No wonder they have no idea
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol029of040/vol029of040_093_0.jpg)
where they are!
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To Captain Craig. 16/04/2105
Application for leave
submitted for transportation from Sydney AU. to Honolulu HI. on the 19
Apr via MS Radiance of the Seas on arrival to take 10 days R&R,
return to duty 18 May 2015.
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Have a good time, Stuart. Wish I could join you!
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Captain Craig has my permission to grant you leave, on the condition
that we see at least a few pictures on your return. Enjoy
yourselves lots, Stuart. 8)
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Probably by the time you return I will be assigned to another ship, Stuart. Go easy on the pineapple juice ;D
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Here's an interesting something I hadn't thought of... a list of
library books on board Concord
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol029of040/vol029of040_100_1.jpg)
(and destined for the dump). I wonder how many books they had, and who
chose them. I imagine that in the hot humid weather of the tropics, the
books wouldn't last all that long.
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I wonder how many of the crew were literate. ???
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More than you might think - enough education to read and write
(separate lessons) started in colonial times, writing only for boys, and
for both genders after the revolution. Schools sort of grew.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_education_in_the_United_States#Growth_of_public_schools
After
the Revolution, an emphasis was put on education, especially in the
northern states, which rapidly established public schools. By the year
1870, all states had free elementary schools. The US population had one
of the highest literacy rates at the time. ...
Most schooling was
done in the one room school houses. By teaching students of various ages
and abilities together using the Monitorial System ... The method was
based on the abler pupils being used as 'helpers' to the teacher,
passing on the information they had learned to other students.
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I am sure your are right in general, Janet. But when you read about
the discipline problems on the ship it is quite possible that most of
the crew were not paying much attention to their school lessons when
young.
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I'm not at all sure that learning the "Three Rs" instills
discipline. Those one room schoolhouses gave lots of control to
the students themselves, the older ones being assistant teachers and the
younger ones learning at their own speed. I'm thinking they all
walked out able to read, 'rite and do 'rithmetic while quite sure they
were authorities in their own right.
I can see those schoolhouse boys being quite sure they had a right to break navy discipline when they wanted to. ;)
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(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-060.gif) gastcra (Craig) passes the 70,000 mark! (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-061.gif)
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MAPurves passes the 40,000 mark!
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Outstanding work, both of you! Congrats!
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Thanks Hanibal and Randi. I just finished the Concord this morning.
It's 74% complete (it was 47% when I began - nice symmetry). I will
leave the ship in Michael's and Stuart's capable hands.
Keep up
the good work, Michael! By the way, I agree with your speculation
that the cloud cover codes recorded in two lines represent upper and
lower altitude rather than half-hour intervals.
Craig
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Thanks
Hanibal and Randi. I just finished the Concord this morning. It's 74%
complete (it was 47% when I began - nice symmetry). I will leave the
ship in Michael's and Stuart's capable hands.
Keep up the good
work, Michael! By the way, I agree with your speculation that the
cloud cover codes recorded in two lines represent upper and lower
altitude rather than half-hour intervals.
Craig
Bravo,
Craig! Yes, Stuart and I will paddle along in your wake. The
speed at which you can move along when skipping the Events Pages is most
impressive!!! It reinforces my opinion that WRs should be done three
times but Events Pages only once, and then by people who specifically
choose to do them (by setting a switch in their profile.) Maybe for
Phase 4. ;)
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...
WRs should be done three times but Events Pages only once, and then by
people who specifically choose to do them (by setting a switch in their
profile.) Maybe for Phase 4. ;)
(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/e8/e85f8dcb75f89eaf916ec8b52da75c0ebea776ea85cf22a57983a1c6a8c85cf8.jpg)
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;D
I'm copying this one into Suggestions for Phase 4 (which is being stickied - the time is now appropriate.)
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Another sort of missing page... 20 March is covered and there is no copy with the insert removed.
Here's the page for 19 Mar 1901 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol029of040/vol029of040_117_1.jpg)
Here's the page for 20 Mar 1901 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol029of040/vol029of040_118_1.jpg)
Here's the page for 21 Mar 1901. (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol029of040/vol029of040_119_1.jpg)
You
can see the URL links are for pages 117 (19 Mar), 118 (20 Mar) and 119
(21 Mar), and the page for 20 March has a insert on top, so much of the
page is hidden. In theory, page 119 should show 20 March without the
insert, but the page shows 21 Mar. instead.
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I will mention that to Gina.
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Post Traumatic Stress Disorder anyone? March 29, 1901
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol029of040/vol029of040_128_1.jpg)
We
finished the Summary Court Martial for one man, started another one for
a second man, gave the specifications for a third SCM for a pair of
men, and published the findings of a fourth SCM for a fifth man.
That's
just one day, which isn't notably much different from the days of the
past two weeks or so, other than having one finished, one continuing,
one about to begin and one being published.
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Since the Concord has a few strange problems in her logs, I have
decided to create a list of links to the descriptions and solutions of
said issues in the first post of this topic, like I did with the
Patterson.
Here's what we got so far:
List of oddities in the logs:
- Extra
wind directions and cloud codes: Transcribe as written.
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3337.msg105979#msg105979)
Affects logs around 1908.
- Page partly obscured due to unusual
scanning: Description
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3337.msg103773#msg103773),
solution.
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3337.msg103788#msg103788)
Affects logs around 1906.
Craig, could you please confirm whether I got the affected periods of time right?
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Yes, there were occasional half-hourly wind speed and cloud codes in 1908, Hanibal.
There are extra mercurial barometer readings in 1907 and 1908. These can be ignored since I have them in a spreadsheet.
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Help with reading this name:
I've tried several
variations on the name in Google but the only person who shows up is a
fashion model, who would certainly cause havoc on the Concord!
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Pietraszewski?
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Pietraszewski?
Brilliant!
I think that might be it. If he's true to the spirit of the Concord,
he'll soon be mentioned for being under the influence of liquor, AWOL,
using foul and abusive language or some other misdemeanor, and I'll get
another crack at it.
Thank you!
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Hanibal94 passes the 20,000 mark!
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Good man, Hanibal!!! This ship might get done one of these years!
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Maybe. But I'm sorry to say the Concord is currently ranked the
lowest in my to-do list - behind Patterson, Jamestown 1866 and Albatross
1884.
I will continue to do my daily five dates, but no more.
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Maybe.
But I'm sorry to say the Concord is currently ranked the lowest in my
to-do list - behind Patterson, Jamestown 1866 and Albatross 1884.
I will continue to do my daily five dates, but no more.
Every bit helps!
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I just noticed that June 21st, 1901 has been logged twice because the ship crossed the International Date Line.
This means the pages are technically two different days, so I transcribed them both and entered the date as 21/06/1901.
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I found this pic here: http://www.taipics.com/boats2.php
Thought you might like to see it. :)
(http://www.taipics.com/images/travel/boats2/taiwan%20formosa%20history%20travel%20boats%20taipics240.jpg)
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Is that what we have to look forward to once we leave the Philippines? :o
Thanks for the picture, Caro!
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I just noticed that June 21st, 1901 has been logged twice because the ship crossed the International Date Line.
This means the pages are technically two different days, so I transcribed them both and entered the date as 21/06/1901.
I also crossed the date line and the Equator a few days ago.
Sailed right between the black dashes, no bump. 😅
Finally internet that doesn't cost US350 for 18 days. (Did not buy it)
In Hawaii 10 days and then back home.
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I also crossed the date line and the Equator a few days ago.
Sailed right between the black dashes, no bump. 😅
In Hawaii 10 days and then back home.
They very seldom hit the black dashes these days because most vessels have GPS and so they can steer around them.
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I also crossed the date line and the Equator a few days ago.
Sailed right between the black dashes, no bump. 😅
In Hawaii 10 days and then back home.
They very seldom hit the black dashes these days because most vessels have GPS and so they can steer around them.
::)
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I found that the dashes are easy to go under. Most modern ships have dash lifters. ;D
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On this page, the 8 PM Longitude has the words "PM Light" next to it.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol030of040/vol030of040_048_0.jpg
I took a look at some neighboring pages, and it appears they sometimes enter that longitude as Obs:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol030of040/vol030of040_047_0.jpg
... and sometimes as DR:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol030of040/vol030of040_050_0.jpg
However, the 8 PM Latitude is always DR.
So I decided to enter the "PM Light" longitude as DR, because that's what I do for unclear entries before 1940.
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Sounds good to me ;)
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It seems reasonable because the Lat was DR. When one is OBS and the
other is DR, I enter DR. Maybe they calculated the longitude by the time
that the sun set. Mind you, I'm not a navigator, and this is the
Concord. ;)
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Oh, COME ON - just one WR more, and I'd have a perfect score!
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Failure to ask for directions while trying to leave Amoy Harbour, 12 May 1901!
H.B.MS..
"Arethusa" got underway at 7.52 but failed to turn to port, - dropped
anchor, - swung to stb'd. and then got underway at 8.00, standing out
S.W. passage.
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Is the captain having a bad day??? (27 May 1901 in Yokohama.) All that saki was most tempting...
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In Dutch Harbor, Unalaska, 06 July 1901.
Always being helpful. What does the Constitution say about the Navy acting as a police force?
The
Comd'g. Officer paid an official call on the U.S. Commissioner, Judge
Whipple at Unalaska and offered assistance in upholding the laws.
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Was she on loan to the Revenue Service? They are the only
branch of the armed forces that always has domestic police powers.
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Was
she on loan to the Revenue Service? They are the only branch of
the armed forces that always has domestic police powers.
I
can't answer that, the logs are silent on that matter. They just seem
to be sitting around Dutch Harbor after leaving the Philippines via Amoy
and Yokohama. They board the vessels coming in and out of harbor, but
other than mentioning that they asked one about ice conditions, they
have nothing to say about that, either. Mind you, they are always
sending a boarding officer to most ships that come in to any harbor,
even places like Hong Kong, Shanghai, Yokohama etc.
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This from the next day:
Am. Str. "Henry S. Kimball" came into the harbor and went alongside wharf. Boarded her.
Captain of "Henry S. Kimball" came on board & gave information of the conditions at Nome and St. Michael's.
The
US Revenue Cutter Manning has also come in and out of Dutch Harbor
while we've been sitting there. Anyway, we tired of Dutch Harbor and
we're making preparations for sea. We'll see what the next days bring...
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All I can say is, the Navy and the Revenue Service/Coast Guard have
lent each other ships for their entire history. It lets CG cutters
serve arctic patrol in foreign waters (Greenland/Canada) and Navy ships
help with controlling seal poachers and whalers. It wouldn't be
the first time some ship changed services for just a few months.
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Where's the love!!!
19 July 1901, Seattle.
A
civilian from shore came aboard with two packages for J. O'Brien, F.
2cl and T. Dyke, F. 1cl both containing whiskey. He was sent ashore with
them. A small boy came aboard with package for C. Larson, Cox.,
containing whiskey, which was thrown overboard.
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Just as well. The might have ended up logging penguins (or pink elephants) rather than the weather ;D
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I filed this under Nag Nag Nag Nag from 27 July 1901
Signals.
Flagship made wigwag signal. "Why are you not airing bedding and why
have you scrub and wash clothes up. At 12.05 answered signal "Made
mistake in scrubbing clothes today and forgot bedding. Request
permission to air bedding at 1 P.M." At 12.15 Flagship answered granting
request.
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Micromanagement from the higher powers isn't very new, I guess. ::)
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Does anybody in the Navy know where are new commander is? Do we really want to wear white while loading coal?
30 July 1901
Made
the following signals, 12.10 C. to F. "Request permission to shift into
white working clothes to coal ship." "Granted" F. to C. "Have you any
information as to the arrival of Comd'r Blocklinger?" C. to F. "None
except as contained in the morning newspaper which states that he has
arrived in Seattle"
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Found him!
Signals
"F." to "C" Has Comd'r Blocklinger arrived?" C to F "Comd'r.
Blocklinger has just arrived and will repport as soon as in uniform."
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A very severe case of micromanagement! The officers must be desperately glad to be rid of the flagship's oversight.
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A very severe case of micromanagement! The officers must be desperately glad to be rid of the flagship's oversight.
I
think it's interesting that the Concord only knew their new commander
was coming by reading about it in the papers. It seems even the flagship
didn't know where he was or when he was going to show up.
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A good day for hunting on Kyska Island (Kiska Island: 51.96N, 177.46E, Alaska).
25 August 1901
The
hunting & fishing parties returned with 10 trout, 140 salmon, 15
teal, 35 sea ducks, 1 large codfish, 1 wild goose, 3 ptarmigan; 1 large
eagle, 4 halibut. The crew freqently catch flounders from the ship. A
vast number of wild geese were seen all day feeding on the island and
were found to be easy to bring in range of fowling pieces.
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The science team will love this, I'm sure...
Concord, 04
September 1901
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol030of040/vol030of040_078_1.jpg),
anchored in the Bay of Waterfalls, Adak Island, Alaska.
At
5:10 shifted wet and dry bulb thermometers from under poop to the
bridge outside the pilot house. These thermometers have been giving
false temperatures since Aug. 22d, the date when a bulkhead was built at
break of poop.
At
5:00 P.M.
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol030of040/vol030of040_078_0.jpg)
they report 62/60F and at 6:00 P.M. it's 47/45F.
I'm glad for
the remark. I was having trouble getting my head around the synoptic
situation that would see the temperature drop like that after hours and
hours of strongly rising pressures and strong NW winds.
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For sure, this one goes to Philip as a FYI for his analysts. :)
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Thanks, as always, for highlighting it.
If they are going to
rebuild the ship and mess up the temperatures, I'd actually rather they
did it big time (as here - 15 degrees!). It's the 1 degree changes that
are hard to cope with.
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Indeed. I have been saving some dates that have Yorktown and Concord
in the same place at the same time. One day I will look at the obs from
each. Craig, I think it was, did a one day comparison some time ago.
Some of their obs in the distant past seem to have been taken over or
near a hatchway so there were suspiciously high wet bulb temperatures
(and temperatures). There have been a number of times in the past
few months where the wet bulb temp is a degree higher than the dry bulb
temp. I can't tell if one thermometer is reading high and the other low,
or if it is just sloppy copying. However, that's why I get paid nothing
and you make thousands and thousands of pounds sterling. ;)
;D ;D ;D ;D
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And I thought 100 brook trout were something.
14 Sep 1901 Dutch Harbor
At 6.00 fishing party returned with 3048 fish, consisting of salmon, herring, cod, flounders and a few halibut.
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And I thought 100 brook trout were something.
14 Sep 1901 Dutch Harbor
At 6.00 fishing party returned with 3048 fish, consisting of salmon, herring, cod, flounders and a few halibut.
THEY COUNTED THEM :o
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Bit of a washing machine ride this day, especially between 6pm - 8pm leeward 32, windward 22
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol030of040/vol030of040_104_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol030of040/vol030of040_104_1.jpg)
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Wow, quite a ride.
How does one interpret a course steered with degrees embedded in it, like 'N 88d E'?
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Perhaps simply as 88 degrees? :-\
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Compass_rose.png)
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That's along the lines of what I was thinking. Then there's the course change to 'S 88d E', which would be 92d compass?
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Yes,
though perhaps less common than either cardinal or 360d ref. Usually
this usage is for bearing-related matters (e.g. azimuth or amplitude for
compass correction).
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Our silly transcriber has left the weather code out of the first 9
hours of the log
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol030of040/vol030of040_105_0.jpg),
and put the cloud code in its place, and the cloud amount in the place
of the cloud code. I took the liberty of leaving the weather cloud blank
and putting the cloud codes and amounts in their proper places. He
catches his error at 1000 AM for the weather code but the cloud amount
is still in the cloud code column. I suppose all the bouncing around the
eastern Pacific has jumbled his motor neurons. ;D
If any
of you mods thinks I just put the information in the same columns as the
transcriber, let me know, and I'll go back and edit the page.
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You are correct ;)
Putting weather data in the correct column (when you are sure the log keeper put it in the wrong column) is one of the few exceptions to TWYS.
[Wet bulb temperature higher than dry bulb temperature does not fall into this category. It is an error, but you can't assume that it is a wrong-column error.]
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I think the Force 10 winds are getting to the crew. Thanks for the
reassurance, I'm just glad that my memory was still working. It's never
easy to violate the TWYS rule and I would never do it for anything so
common as a wet bulb greater than a dry bulb.
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One way to save on rations is to put a lot of the crew on Bread and
Water and fine them heavily . Better build a bigger Brig at this rate.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol030of040/vol030of040_121_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol030of040/vol030of040_121_1.jpg)
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Concord recorded 103F at 3 PM on 11 Oct 1901
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol030of040/vol030of040_128_0.jpg)
at Mare Island Navy Yard (near San Francisco and not that far from
Napa).
As a matter of note, San Francisco had a high of 88F that
day, and 91 on the 12th. Napa had 100F on both those days while San
Jose had 93. Napa's record maximum temperature record for October was
106 set in 1980.
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Michael, You just beat me to entering that temp.
It is the first time I have EVER seen three digits on the temp since starting OW.
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Michael, You just beat me to entering that temp.
It is the first time I have EVER seem three digits on the temp since starting OW.
You snooze, you lose.
The early bird gets the worm.
Slow and steady lost the race.
Too bad, so sad. ;D
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I had a 100 F temp in San Fran in 1885. Must have been the gold rush fever.
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It rarely gets that hot on the water, even harbors are being water
cooled. But San Fran must have been prostrate - they average only
70F in August, that's their heat wave month.
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Hah! I found a new talent for the crew of the Concord: They can't
spell; they can't write; they can't obey orders; and, their grammar is
poor. Add to this list, addition
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol030of040/vol030of040_153_1.jpg):
Coaling ship 8 to 9: 28 tons; 9 to 10, 23 tons; 10 to 11, 27 tons; 11 to 11.50, 15 tons; total for watch, 124 tons.
Not sure what to put in for coal received, 93 tons or 124! :-\
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Type what you see: 28 + 23 + 27 + 15 = 124
;D
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Type what you see: 28 + 23 + 27 + 15 = 124
;D
Don't
worry, I did! Given the choice between violating the laws of
nature, or the laws of OW, I chose option #1... :)
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8)
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;D
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From 23 Nov 1901
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol030of040/vol030of040_194_1.jpg)
just east of Panama.
A
shortage of two revolvers was discovered in the Ordnance Dept. All
revolvers issued for the drill this day were reported returned and it is
beleived the two missing ones were taken from the armory without
authority The Ordnance officer requested a survey.
I guess the Captain is going to have to be a little more lenient now! And, yes, that's how the log writer spells believe, and I'm not going to argue with a couple of revolvers loose. ;)
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Re: these pages
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol030of040/vol030of040_200_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol030of040/vol030of040_200_1.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol030of040/vol030of040_201_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol030of040/vol030of040_201_1.jpg)
Some Links to info on the Panama Revolution Nov 1901.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/4903393 (http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/4903393)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/4861241 (http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/4861241)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/4887904 (http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/4887904)
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Interesting!
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From Panama, 09 Dec 1901
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol030of040/vol030of040_219_1.jpg),
Meridian to 4 PM:
Navel
Cadet Byron A. Lang, U.S.N. reported on board from the U.S.S. Iowa,
with orders for duty as Watch and Divisional Officer on this vessel.
Did he graduate from the University of Orange? ;D
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No, he is just using my type of spelling.
%^)
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10 Dec
Slow day on the IOWA they are asking how high the Concords mast is. (108ft)
Concord then asked how height is yours (106ft)
Maybe they are planning ahead for the Christmas decorations?
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10 Dec
Slow day on the IOWA they are asking how high the Concords mast is. (108ft)
Concord then asked how height is yours (106ft)
Maybe they are planning ahead for the Christmas decorations?
Our mast is higher than their mast! Nana nana noonoo!
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Biggest list of reductions in ratings I have seen in one go.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol031of040/vol031of040_051_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol031of040/vol031of040_051_1.jpg)
and just as the ship is due for decommissioning next month.
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They are punishments with reductions in conduct class rather than rating ;)
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Still a reduction in pay just like a drop in rating. %^)
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Not as far as I can tell :-\
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4198.msg102526#msg102526
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Nice find. ;)
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Well we are being decommissioned again 2 out of 4.
If you want to read what a ship carries then start here and work your way through.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol031of040/vol031of040_049_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol031of040/vol031of040_049_1.jpg)
Interesting just how much they carry to be self sufficient. I even noticed 4 different size wenches wrenches. %^)
All the stuff goes back again in just over a year.
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The 756 crew members and 77 officers, listed in the second
commissioning of the Concord, have been updated and posted here
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3750.msg89377#msg89377).
:D :D :D
Now to begin the the third commissioning and all that entails... :'(
The crew list for this commissioning is here (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3750.msg111176#msg111176).
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The new OW pages have a date on them, as well as a date on the Misc page.
Unless told otherwise I am only putting the date on the Misc page as usual.
Silly to repeat date.
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I assume you mean the new weather pages?
I can see your point, but Philip has asked us to transcribe the date any time it appears.
(and not to add it where it does not appear)
(With autohotkey I only enter the day and then hit the '/' on the numeric keypad ;))
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The
756 crew members and 77 officers, listed in the second commissioning of
the Concord, have been updated and posted here
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4125.msg89377#msg89377).
:D :D :D
Now to begin the the third commissioning and all that entails... :'(
Wow - you guys sure are committed!
I just found myself very grateful the Pioneer never got de- and recommssioned when I was doing her crew list!
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I assume you mean the new weather pages?
I can see your point, but Philip has asked us to transcribe the date any time it appears.
(and not to add it where it does not appear)
(With autohotkey I only enter the day and then hit the '/' on the numeric keypad ;))
OK.
(With autohotkey I only enter the day and then hit the '/' on the numeric keypad ;)) ?? how do you do that?
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See: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4336.0
For the month of February 1849:
NumpadDiv::
Send, /02/1849{Enter}
Return
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Well, the typical Concord behavior in spite of a completely new crew.
10
July 1903
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol032of040/vol032of040_036_1.jpg),
Mare Island Naval Yard.
22 men punished, one deserter declared
on 08 July, and six men AWOL. And this is only 26 days since the ship
was commissioned! :'(
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See: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4336.0
For the month of February 1849:
NumpadDiv::
Send, /02/1849{Enter}
Return
Ya i did pick that and fixed it. (I posted Randies original date.)
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The dry bulb temperatures for the last four hours of July 14, 1903
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol032of040/vol032of040_040_0.jpg)
read 50, they should be 56. (Looking ahead to the next day.) Maybe the
log writer was celebrating Bastille Day with a surfeit of cognac.
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We saw the Revenue Cutter Bear in Dutch Harbor on August first
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol032of040/vol032of040_061_1.jpg)
and again on the second! So far we've seen Yorktown, Albatross and now
Bear.
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19 August 1903
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol032of040/vol032of040_087_1.jpg),
Astoria Oregon.
We're celebrating the Astoria Regatta in fine
style with USS Marblehead. This morning they had only 14 absentees. We
showed them how to party - we had 23!
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;D
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Never a dull day
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol032of040/vol032of040_092_1.jpg).
24 absentees, 24 different men being punished, and then this:
Condaletta,
C. W. (C. P.) for striking sentry, and Roberts, C. L. (Cox'n), for
leaving ship without permission, were placed in double irons by Order of
Com'g. Officer, to await action by the Commander-in-Chief. Smith, J. J.
(Prvt.), was placed in double irons for 10 days, by order of Comd'g.
Officer for refusing duty. At 11.30, Roberts, C L. (Coxn), while a
prisoner in double irons, escaped from the ship and reached the shore in
a shore boat before he could be apprehended. A reward of $20 was
offered for his apprehension and delivery on board this vessel within
ten days.
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Never
a dull day
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol032of040/vol032of040_092_1.jpg).
24 absentees, 24 different men being punished, and then this:
Condaletta,
C. W. (C. P.) for striking sentry, and Roberts, C. L. (Cox'n), for
leaving ship without permission, were placed in double irons by Order of
Com'g. Officer, to await action by the Commander-in-Chief. Smith, J. J.
(Prvt.), was placed in double irons for 10 days, by order of Comd'g.
Officer for refusing duty. At 11.30, Roberts, C L. (Coxn), while a
prisoner in double irons, escaped from the ship and reached the shore in
a shore boat before he could be apprehended. A reward of $20 was
offered for his apprehension and delivery on board this vessel within
ten days.
I have to wonder in which pocket he hid the purloined key for the irons. :o ::)
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42 deserters, 15 June -> 16 Sept (yes, in the same year) >:(
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decent jump in bara pressure 7&8 am.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol032of040/vol032of040_121_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol032of040/vol032of040_121_0.jpg)
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Perhaps indecent ? ;D
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I said Bara not Bra. :o
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:o
I was talking about the size of the jump.
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From Bremerton, Washington, 15 Sept. 1903
A three mile race between a cutter from this ship and one from the U.S.S. Marblehead, was won by this ship.
Exchanged
following signals. At 4:20, C to F W.W. "Permission requested to cheer
racing crew." At 4:25 F. to C. W.W. "Permission granted." At 5:00 C. to
F. W.W. "Permission requested to blow siren and whistle." At 5:05, F. to
C. W.W. "Permission granted."
Yea us!!!
Just an editor's note: F is the Flagship USS Bennington. W.W. is a wigwag signal.
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The log-writer started his weather reports down one line for 01 Oct
1903
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol032of040/vol032of040_129_0.jpg):
i.e. the weather for 0100 was on the line for 0200. There were arrows
pointing to the correct line, and the bottom blank line was written
1200. I entered the data for the correct hour, as indicated by the
arrows, not the hour printed on the form. For the science team.
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Seems we don't have a monopoly on desertions. Indeed, we may be the experts...
Lt.
Comd'r. R. M. Hughes and Lt. Comdr. M. A. Anderson left ship as members
of board to investigate number of desertions on board the U.S.S.
Wyoming.
;D
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Seems we don't have a monopoly on desertions. Indeed, we may be the experts...
Lt.
Comd'r. R. M. Hughes and Lt. Comdr. M. A. Anderson left ship as members
of board to investigate number of desertions on board the U.S.S.
Wyoming.
;D
But is it wise or stupid to send experts in creating desertions when you really want to stop them?
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;D ;D ;D
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:'( sorry to say I have to agree with you Janet. :-[
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The long arm of the law...
17 October 1903, San Francisco...
Staley,
C.C. (App. 2. c.) was brought on board by a police officer of Portland,
Ore., having been absent without leave from this ship since September
5th, 1903, and by order of the Commanding officer he was made a prisoner
at large awaiting action, and the amount of $74.40 (reward and other
expenses) was paid to the police officer.
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Sorry, but I can't help myself...
3:00
F. to Sqd. W.W. "Standard speed is eight and a half knots, half speed
will be six and a quarter knots, slow speed will be four and a quarter
knots".
Where did these people learn arithmetic!? ;)
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Same place as they lerned speling.
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Same place as they lerned speling.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Flagship seems to be in a hurry, for two days it has been onto us about not keeping 12knots.
Last section of 8 -mer
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol032of040/vol032of040_167_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol032of040/vol032of040_167_1.jpg)
4-8am last few lines & mid paragraph 8am -mer. end of mer -4pm
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol032of040/vol032of040_169_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol032of040/vol032of040_169_1.jpg)
8pm - mid
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol032of040/vol032of040_170_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol032of040/vol032of040_170_1.jpg)
Nice move by the Chief Engineer to put the decision back to the Flagship about possible boiler damage if pushed to far.
If the US had stayed out of Panama/Columbia frackas they could have saved themselves some money.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_Panama_from_Colombia
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_Panama_from_Colombia)
On
November 13, 1903 the United States formally recognized the Republic of
Panama (after recognizing it unofficially on November 6 and 7). France
did the same on November 14, 1903 followed by other 15 countries. On
November 18, 1903 the United States Secretary of State John Hay and
Philippe-Jean Bunau-Varilla signed the Hay?Bunau-Varilla Treaty. No
Panamanians signed the treaty although Bunau-Varilla was present as the
diplomatic representative of Panama (a role he had purchased through
financial assistance to the rebels), despite the fact he had not lived
in Panama for seventeen years before the incident, and he never
returned.[5] The treaty was later approved by the Panamanian government
and the Senate of the United States.
The ambassador of Colombia
in Ecuador Emiliano Isaza was informed of the situation in Panama but
did not inform his government to prevent a revolt in Bogot?. The
government of Colombia then sent a diplomatic mission to Panama in an
effort to make them reconsider by suggesting an approval by the senate
of Colombia if they reconsidered the Hay?Herr?n Treaty instead of the
Hay?Bunau-Varilla Treaty and also proposed making Panama City the
capital of Colombia.[6][dubious ? discuss]
The mission met aboard
the ship USS Mayflower with the Panamanian delegation formed by
Constantino Arosemena, Tom?s Arias and Eusebio A. Morales, which
rejected all proposals. Colombia then sent later a delegation of
prominent politicians and political figures; General Rafael Reyes, Pedro
Nel Ospina, Jorge Holgu?n and Lucas Caballero who met with the same
representative for Panama and Carlos Antonio Mendoza, Nicanor de Obarrio
y Antonio Zubieta, without reaching any consensus. Colombia recognized
the sovereignty of Panama in 1921, only after the United States
compensated Colombia with US$25 million for the intervention in the
Panama - Colombia conflict.[7][8]
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Natural Draft and Forced Draft (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3209.msg95472#msg95472) ;)
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We sometimes use forced draft to warm up the loco boilers.
We put a venturi in the smokebox which draws the air through the firebox, tubes and up the stack.
When
a natural flow develops we remove the venturi. To gain extra steam we
blow some air up the stack as in the example from Randi.
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I have returned to the Concord, just like I promised.
Gonna have to get used to not skipping the Ther Attached - the Albatross 1884 never recorded those. Ever.
Plus, the number of locations recored when at sea is rather annoying - but I do 'em all anyway.
Alright, better get some pages done so I can get into the second stream and avoid leapfrogging.
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Hi Hanibal.
I am doing the 10 Nov now, Michael is a bit behind me as his wife commandeered the PC for a while. ::)
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Now after nearly blowing up our kerfuffle valves to get to Panama,
we are just floating about in the harbor. Much to do about nothing so
far.
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We sometimes use forced draft to warm up the loco boilers.
We put a venturi in the smokebox which draws the air through the firebox, tubes and up the stack.
When
a natural flow develops we remove the venturi. To gain extra steam we
blow some air up the stack as in the example from Randi.
Duh, any diagrams?
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From Concord 30 Oct 1903 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol032of040/vol032of040_161_1.jpg)
At
8:15 observed violent discharge of smoke and steam from the volcano of
Colima (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volc%C3%A1n_de_Colima).
Editor's note: The URL for the Colima Volcano was not in the Concord's log. ;D
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Only because we weren't doing it ;)
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01 Nov 1903 at Acapulco.
At 10:10, F. to Sq'd. W. W. Owing to malarial fever this season, give liberty only to first class men, daily until sun down".
And why do they think the first class men are expendable, or do they think them invincible? ;D
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I suspect that they are talking about:
First Conduct Class
Those
who perform duty efficiently, cheerfully, and have no more than four
hours' extra duty during the month and return from leave clean and
sober.
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I suspect that they are talking about:
First Conduct Class
Those
who perform duty efficiently, cheerfully, and have no more than four
hours' extra duty during the month and return from leave clean and
sober.
Yes,
indeed, but why send your best men off to get malaria when you could
send your shirkers, malingerers and general lay-abouts? ;D
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You have a point there ;D
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Is the Concord haunted? They say that when a spirit enters the room,
there quite often is a notable drop in temperature. Note the 50 degree F
drop in the room with the barometer, as evidenced by the attached
thermometer, at 6 AM
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol032of040/vol032of040_187_0.jpg).
I don't know about you, but I think this could be definite proof of the
existence ghosts. ;D
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It's a known fact that evaporating spirits lower the temperature, especially if they are overproof ;D
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It's a known fact that evaporating spirits lower the temperature, especially if they are overproof ;D
Ahhh,
yes! I should have considered the ship! With this crew, the overproof
spirits are much more likely than the over powering ones. ;D
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Panama, 14 January 1904. (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol032of040/vol032of040_244_1.jpg)
Can
we have a definition of slightly struck, please? If the penalty for
having a drink with your buddies is 24 hours in double irons, what is it
for sinking your supply ship? Just curious... ;D
At
6:10 called " all hands up anchor." At 6:15 got underway, the
Commanding Officer at the conn, and went alongside the U.S. Collier Nero
on the port side, bow aft. In going alongside collier, struck her
slightly at 6:58, with port bow and secured alongside. Shortly
afterwards her Captain reported his ship leaking and in danger of
sinking. Got out our collision mat over on her port quarter. At 7:08 the
Nero got up anchor. At 7:23, went ahead, and towed her into shallow
water near Perico Island. At 7.50, stopped, and the Nero came to anchor.
Signals during watch as follows:- 7:00 F. to Sqd. Gen 735; 7:10 C. to
F. W.W. " Nero is leaiking very badly. We are going to tow her on the
beach." Hauled down guard flag at 8:00. At end of watch ship secured
alongside "Nero."
Exchanged following signals:- At 9.10, P. to C.
W.W. "We have ten lengths of two and one half inch fire hose." At
10.00, C. to F. Num. 0 (Absentees) Num. 7 (Sick). At 10.50 C. to F.
Sema. " The water inside and out has been level since eight o'clock. Am
pumping out Nero's stern tanks which will raise her thirty inches. Quite
safe to take coal out of No. 3 hold. Bulkhead amply strong. Damage to
plates quite extensive". ... At 9:00, U.S.F.S. New York sent
diving party to "Nero" and diver made examination of damage done to
Nero's hull. ...
Coaling from 4.00 to 4.15, when had to stop
owing to coal in Nero being on fire. At request of Comd'g. Officer of
Nero played one fire hose from this ship into hold No. 3 on Nero, for
about 45 minutes. ... Sent following signal: At 4.30, C. to F. W.W.
"Have had to stop coaling as the coal in the Nero is on fire."
The
ship P. with the fire hose was USS Petrel, who was with Concord in the
Philippines. F. Was USFS New York, part of the fleet sent down as few
days earlier to help Panama make a smooth transition to becoming a
country after separating from Colombia.
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Nero burned while officers fiddled? :D
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Nero burned while officers fiddled? :D
:) :) :) :) :) :) Very good. Very, very good, Craig.
Mind
you, if I look at the List of Vessels/Concord, I see that you are
listed as Captain, and the log says that the Captain was at the conn.
What was the tune? Certainly not row, row, row your boat GENTLY down the
stream. ;D
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Nero burned while officers fiddled? :D
I laughed so hard. Well done, Craig. Very well done.
I posted the incident in the Daily Zooniverse suggestions topic - with your joke as the suggested title!
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I would have liked to get Rome into the joke but the Concord was not in the right waters. ;D
I
guess I should take some blame as captain. Not sure about the
appropriate song, though. Perhaps the theme song from the Titanic?
Thanks, Hanibal. Let me know if they pick it up.
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Thanks, Hanibal, for such an uplifting end to a hot somewhat
frustrating day. It'd be funny if it was anyone but the commanding
officer at the conn. Knowing it is the ship's chief muckety-muck
at fault and embarassing himself no end, I couldn't stop laughing.
;D ;D ;D ::)
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;D Great story!
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(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-060.gif) Pommy Stuart passes the 70,000 mark! (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-061.gif)
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Hanibal94 passes the 30,000 mark!
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Good work, Stuart and Hanibal! 8) 8) 8)
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USS Concord at target practice with USS Wyoming in Bahia Chame, Panama, 22 Jan 1904.
This is the first time I have seen this word used! A portent of things to come?
Signals
during watch as follows: 2:20, Y. to C. W. W. "Gasoline launch is ready
to go back to Panama, shall I make her wait for your mail?" 2. 25 C. to
Y. W.W. "No;"
All the others have been steam, sail or oars or some combination of the three.
It
reminds me of the first time I saw a diesel engine on the Canadian
Pacific main line on the south side of Burrard Inlet pulling a long
freight train heading west from Port Moody into the Vancouver
rail-yards. It was very exiting! Not many years later we would be
excited to see a steam engine. :'(
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They are a mucky lot onboard the Concord. :o
Received in stores
3lb emory (sic Emery) paper
34lb laundry soap
25 cakes of Sapolis.
;D
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More of the latest technology. From Concord, anchored of Punta Chame, Panama on 02 Feb 1904
Transferred wireless telegraphy outfit to U.S. S. Boston.
It must have been a fairly big piece of gear!
At
6:.20 C. to B. W.W. "Send boat for wireless telegraphic outfit." At
6.45 C. to B. Ard. " It will take extra boat for wireless". At 7.25, C.
to M. Ard. "Send steamer immediately."
M.
is USS Marblehead. She and Boston were engaged in target practice in
Bahia Chame. It's interesting that the ships are getting wireless,
barely two years after Marconi sent a wireless signal across the
Atlantic.
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M.
is USS Marblehead. She and Boston were engaged in target practice in
Bahia Chame. It's interesting that the ships are getting wireless,
barely two years after Marconi sent a wireless signal across the
Atlantic.
It's
fairly obvious a tool when there are no postal roads or other means to
communicate between ships at sea. I'd have been surprised if they
had not jumped on it quickly.
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M.
is USS Marblehead. She and Boston were engaged in target practice in
Bahia Chame. It's interesting that the ships are getting wireless,
barely two years after Marconi sent a wireless signal across the
Atlantic.
It's
fairly obvious a tool when there are no postal roads or other means to
communicate between ships at sea. I'd have been surprised if they
had not jumped on it quickly.
It
is obviously extremely useful, but governments and the military don't
always get the newest and latest as soon as they can. Sometimes they're
very forward thinking, but sometimes they can be very conservative and
stay with the tried and true.
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Maybe Craig already reported this, maybe he didn't... EDIT: He didn't. I checked.
The
page for May 7th 1904 is partly obscured by a stupidly placed piece of
paper, and this is the only scan, so most of the AM weather data is
lost.
I transcribed what was visible.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol033of040/vol033of040_115_0.jpg
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Maybe Craig already reported this, maybe he didn't... EDIT: He didn't. I checked.
The
page for May 7th 1904 is partly obscured by a stupidly placed piece of
paper, and this is the only scan, so most of the AM weather data is
lost.
I transcribed what was visible.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol033of040/vol033of040_115_0.jpg
It might be placed stupidly, but at least we get a decent shot at reading the names! ;D
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Dammit! Another one of them!
I hate this!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol033of040/vol033of040_119_0.jpg
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Dammit! Another one of them!
I hate this!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol033of040/vol033of040_119_0.jpg
Only 23 people AWOL? Sigh.... ;)
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No, I think he means the scanner operator who didn't take a second scan showing the morning WRs.
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No, I think he means the scanner operator who didn't take a second scan showing the morning WRs.
Yes,
I know he does. But, I will soon have to log the various punishments
and or declarations of desertions on these 23 people. :'(
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Concord is indeed a hard ship. :'(
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Concord is indeed a hard ship. :'(
It is, but when the going gets tough, the tough get to it! ;D
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Concord is indeed a hard ship. :'(
Eh, she's not so bad in my opinion. The Patterson is much worse.
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No comparison intended. They are all a bit different in their own ways.
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On our way to Callao, Peru.
Hope we don't get any more deserters on the way down.
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Interesting comment near end of 8 to mer.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol033of040/vol033of040_050_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol033of040/vol033of040_050_1.jpg)
F to C (WW) "Your Blue things are not stopped on line according to directions"
C to F (WW) "Permission to change Blue things"
F to C (WW) "Yes"
"Blue things" must be a 'Technical term' ;D
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Makes you wonder, were they doing laundry on only blue uniforms, and didn't have the drying lines properly aligned? ::)
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14th Mar 1904
27 AWOL.
Must be a record (or close to it)
A lot less AWOL the next day after a reward was offered for their return.
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I just finished the 1904 log book, and she's been decommissioned on 25th August.
Of course there are more logs - let's see what she'll be doing next...
1905-09
? Sailed again for Asiatic Station, serving off the Philippines and
China, including Yangtze Patrol and station ship at Shanghai and Canton.
Concluded duties as station ship at Guam, before decommissioning at
Puget Sound in late 1909.
Well, that's not very detailed! I bet Wikipedia could do better!
Concord
was commissioned again on 16 September 1905 and sailed from Bremerton
on 24 December 1905 for operations in the Philippines. Remaining there
until March 1906, Concord sailed to China. Until 1908 she remained in
the Far East serving at times on the Yangtze Patrol and as station ship
at Shanghai and Canton.[3]
Concord served as station ship at Guam
from 2 January to 10 September 1909, then sailed to Puget Sound Navy
Yard where she arrived on 11 October. She was decommissioned for the
final time on 4 November 1909, and assigned as barracks ship for the
Washington Naval Militia at Seattle.
Much better!
Just
gotta watch out - in Feb 1906, which is part of this log book, the
problems Craig mentioned with inserts obscuring stuff start to turn up.
See the beginning of this topic for a direct link to his post.
Still, this is the "home run" for the Concord, so let's go!
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Ah, who went and let the cat out of the bag. :o Killjoy. :'(
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Ah, who went and let the cat out of the bag. :o Killjoy. :'(
Sorry Stuart - I never met a man before who enjoyed not knowing a thing about where he's going.
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1905-09
? Sailed again for Asiatic Station, serving off the Philippines and
China, including Yangtze Patrol and station ship at Shanghai and Canton.
Concluded duties as station ship at Guam, before decommissioning at
Puget Sound in late 1909.
Well, that's not very detailed! I bet Wikipedia could do better!
You
are supposed to click the the links at the bottom of the history
thumbnail sketch if you want more details. They, afterall, are the
sources I distilled that readers-digest history from. ;)
DANFS - C - Concord II (PG-3) (http://www.history.navy.mil/research/histories/ship-histories/danfs/c/concord-ii.html)
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Thanks for the link - but wait a minute! That text is exactly identical to that of the Wiki article!
Someone has been using the lazy method (AKA Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V)!
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If you look at the end of the Wiki article, you will see (among other things)
Naval History & Heritage Command. "Concord". DANFS. Retrieved 18 March 2015.
...
This article incorporates text from the public domain Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships.
...
Naval
History & Heritage Command. "Concord". Dictionary of American Naval
Fighting Ships. Navy Department, Naval History & Heritage Command.
Retrieved 20 April 2009.
I've seen a lot of that ;)
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If you look at the end of the Wiki article, you will see (among other things)
Quote
Naval History & Heritage Command. "Concord". DANFS. Retrieved 18 March 2015.
...
This article incorporates text from the public domain Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships.
...
Naval
History & Heritage Command. "Concord". Dictionary of American Naval
Fighting Ships. Navy Department, Naval History & Heritage Command.
Retrieved 20 April 2009.
I've seen a lot of that ;)
So have I.
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Ah, who went and let the cat out of the bag. :o Killjoy. :'(
Sorry Stuart - I never met a man before who enjoyed not knowing a thing about where he's going.
That is why men get married so they can be told where to go. ;D
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They have forgot the E/W entry again.
Pulled in at Panama in India. No W shown.
I wish I could enter it, but .......
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You can always volunteer to edit the Concord when she is finally done. :)
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Something odd: These pages are for November 20th 1905, but are only partly filled in:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol034of040/vol034of040_071_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol034of040/vol034of040_071_1.jpg
The next pair, however, is also November 20th 1905, and is filled in normally - plus, the WR are identical:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol034of040/vol034of040_072_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol034of040/vol034of040_072_1.jpg
So I skipped the incomplete pair and did the complete one.
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Sounds good - I'm willing to bet the writer was interrupted and when
he came back forgot about the half-done page and started over.
That's better than skipping half a date. :)
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Early May 1904
1 short of our record.
23 absent without leave.
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Sorry Craig, finally managed to catch up with you.
How you did so many in so short a time I will never know.
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Well the crew is all tucked up asleep in Honolulu so it is time for
the Captain to take a short furlough on the MS Ocean Endeavour.
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Travel safe and thoroughly enjoy, Stuart.
(http://api.ning.com/files/DNRCvs-5-8F-bTJ968jVu8kUU6*4IbsEV9ypJuQBJwwegrmidfJC0sVqZvq7DFtNsRlNuPKFJ*tAhja3Xor9gaCDvmSOokOY/cruiseship.gif)
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Sorry Craig, finally managed to catch up with you.
How you did so many in so short a time I will never know.
He does three hours every day, does not stop until he is finished, and skips most events.
Congrats on reclaiming your captaincy, and have a good trip!
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Something neat I found: On this page, they did observations based on
Polaris, the Hydra constellation (I think), Vega, Aldebaran and the Sun.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol034of040/vol034of040_128_0.jpg
I'm surprised they could see all those stars at 8 AM and 8 PM, even if it is January!
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Looked up sun times for Honolulu HI and Hagatna Guam.
http://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/honolulu?month=1&year=2015
http://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/guam-hagatna?month=1&year=2015
Honolulu
13 January 7:11 AM ↑ (113?) 6:09 PM ↑
(247?) Sunrise Sunset
Guam
13 January 6:47 AM ↑
(112?) 6:12 PM ↑ (248?) Sunrise
Sunset
So the sun will always be up before 8am, and always set before 8pm.
So
OW mariners, how do they do the stars in the morning, and the sun in
the evening? Hanibal is right, this is extremely odd.
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It seems a bit odd at first glance, but, just as we have charts and
almanacs listing solar (and other celetial bodies) positioning, they
were widely used in navigation back in ye olde dayes. As such,
calculation can be made similarly to direct observation, so long
as the navigator has accurate chronometers, and precise longitude and
latitude for the reference observation point. It's a bit
cheaty, but with the right circumstances and preparation, can be every
bit as accurate as direct observation. Using multiple points can allow
for even more precision, theoretically, as you can triangulate with
incredible accuracy (again, assuming all of the chronometers are
correct, as even the slightest deviation can put you miles off course)
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But how can you see the morning stars and the evening sun to do that
triangulating? I'm assuming you are starting from the assumption
you don't already know.
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Mark this under The Long Arm of the Law!
Kinder J.
I. CP 15 Jun 1903 - joined ship from
USRS Independence. 29 Aug 1903 - declared a deserter. 15 May 1904 -
delivered on board by the police of The Dalles, Oregon. :'(
Mind
you, that doesn't stop the desertions. There were 14 men declared
deserters on 13 May 1904 and two more on the 15th. ;D
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But
how can you see the morning stars and the evening sun to do that
triangulating? I'm assuming you are starting from the assumption
you don't already know.
You
don't actually need to see them, so long as you have a chronometer
that's properly calibrated to a position where you know they're going to
be. From there's it's essentially the same as a dead reckoning
measurement.
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I'm too much an urban landlubber. That defeats me, I know I don't know what is behind every piece of sky. ::) :-[
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While peeking ahead, I just discovered that four whole months of logs appear to be missing.
Logbook 35 claims to go from May 17th to December 31st 1906:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol035of040/vol035of040_003_1.jpg
But the last page I can access via URL editing is September 1st 1906:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol035of040/vol035of040_228_1.jpg
After that - error!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol035of040/vol035of040_229_1.jpg
Logbook 36, however, is fine, starting right where it should be:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol036of040/vol036of040_008_0.jpg
This
is very strange, because while the Concord has been out of commission
for some time, none of her sources mention any breaks in 1906.
Craig, do you remember if you ever got these missing months later on?
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No, they don't appear, Hanibal. I skipped from Sept 1906 to Jan.
1907, as you said. After that it went up chronologically to 1908 and
1909,when it was decommissioned. My last page was Nov. 3, 1909.
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I would say it's a case of a missing logbook. 228 pages is about the
limit of a logbook. If the ship were decommissioned, you would have a
huge list of people transferred out at the end of one commission, and a
huge list of people joining the ship at the start of the next
commission.
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Honolulu, Territory of Hawaii, May 28 1904.
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol033of040/vol033of040_136_1.jpg)
Base ball team played game with team from U.S.S. Bennington, score 19 to 11 in favor of Concord. :)
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I have noticed they only log the scores when they win. ;)
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I have noticed they only log the scores when they win. ;)
So
true. I noticed the same thing. Mind you, it's the same today, on the
radio they go on for hours if the Blue Jays win, but we hear only a
brief, "and in other sports, the Yankees bested the Blue Jays 10 4 in 9
innings." ;)
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On the first page of this pair, for June 13th 1906, the AM WR are partly obscured by the ripped-up bit of the insert.
But
on the second one, the insert is folded up in such a way that all the
WR of the whole page are visible - so I skipped the first page entirely
and did all the WR on the second one.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol035of040/vol035of040_065_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol035of040/vol035of040_066_0.jpg
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:)
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On the sixth of June, 1904
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol033of040/vol033of040_145_0.jpg)
the logwriter has transposed the dry bulb and wetbulb temperatures for 1
to 4 PM inclusive. Philip's programs might catch it, but it's better
safe than sorry. (I transcribed them as written.)
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Perfect - both the typing and the notice. Thanks. :)
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Hanibal94 passes the 40,000 mark!
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Good work, Hanibal. 8)
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Steady on there Hanibal! I feel you breathing down my neck! ;)
Good work, though!!
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Steady on there Hanibal! I feel you breathing down my neck! ;)
Good work, though!!
Thanks!
You've got more logs left to do than me, but I have my stream all to myself - you gotta share yours with Stuart.
So it's pretty hard to tell who will have more by the time this ship hits VAL.
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My money is on you! :)
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My money is on you! :)
Maybe
I will beat you after all - I just got to January 1st 1907, because the
last few months of 1906 are missing, as I said before.
So assuming
that every single day from here to November 4th 1909, the last one, has
24 WR, I will have 68921 WR by the time I finish this ship.
I think Stuart does about as much as you do - so it looks like I will have more when this ship hits VAL after all.
But one way or another, I most definitely intend to finish my stream on this vessel before January 1st 2016!
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I agree. It will be close. Stuart and I have about 36,000 WRs to do,
and if I do half I would end up around 68,000, too. However, Stuart
usually does more than I, so I will probably get about 15,000 giving me a
total of around 65,000. ;)
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There
is a mercurial barometer reading recorded a couple of times a day. This
is typically a half an inch higher than the standard reading, which has
been consistently around 29.50 Does the science team want this
additional information?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol036of040/vol036of040_116_0.jpg
I just hit this area, and have decided to transcribe the extra stuff - when that appears, I make a whole separate WR for it.
Dunno
if Craig bothered, but I think somebody might want this one day -
better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
EDIT: I added this to the list of known oddities at the start of this topic as well.
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(http://www.desismileys.com/smileys/desismileys_3266.gif)
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Hanibal, I did transcribe them into a spreadsheet, which I posted in
this thread. They are recorded sporadically in the log. I stopped after
a while with the intention of going back and finishing them. I picked
up the extra pressure reading and the attached temp.
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Hanibal,
I did transcribe them into a spreadsheet, which I posted in this
thread. They are recorded sporadically in the log. I stopped after a
while with the intention of going back and finishing them. I picked up
the extra pressure reading and the attached temp.
Not sure what you mean by "them".
I
always make an extra WR for each extra pressure - and if there's an
extra attached temp, I transcribe that in the extra WR as well.
I also transcribe the hour of the line that the extra pressure appears in - usually 10 am and 4 pm.
Sometimes, there's two extra pressures - so I just make two extra WR and transcribe both!
There's no other extra things - right?
Oh, and don't forget what Philip said:
Please
do input all the observations (I like Randi's plan for how) - as I've
said before, in the past whenever we've said, "oh, we don't need that
observation, leave it out", we've ended up regretting it - I would like
to be able to say 'we've got ALL the weather records, even the strange
ones'.
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Hanibal,
I did transcribe them into a spreadsheet, which I posted in this
thread. They are recorded sporadically in the log. I stopped after a
while with the intention of going back and finishing them. I picked up
the extra pressure reading and the attached temp.
Craig,
how do your spreadsheet data get into Philip's database? The
entering them in the interface as separate readings makes that
automatic, and to me that makes the double entries a preferred choice.
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Philip says:
It's
interesting to know this, as we might use it in looking at barometer
calibration and biases, but it's not necessary to input these extra
measurements - feel free to skip them.
This
is what Philip said at the time, Janet. I decided to put them in a
spreadsheet just the same since the mercurial readings are quite
different from the analog readings. My spreadsheet graphs the two
variables.
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Philip says:
It's
interesting to know this, as we might use it in looking at barometer
calibration and biases, but it's not necessary to input these extra
measurements - feel free to skip them.
This
is what Philip said at the time, Janet. I decided to put them in a
spreadsheet just the same since the mercurial readings are quite
different from the analog readings. My spreadsheet graphs the two
variables.
OK, just send Philip the spreadsheet when you finish the ship I guess.
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My money is on you! :)
Maybe
I will beat you after all - I just got to January 1st 1907, because the
last few months of 1906 are missing, as I said before.
So assuming
that every single day from here to November 4th 1909, the last one, has
24 WR, I will have 68921 WR by the time I finish this ship.
I think Stuart does about as much as you do - so it looks like I will have more when this ship hits VAL after all.
But one way or another, I most definitely intend to finish my stream on this vessel before January 1st 2016!
I should be back on board close to the end of Sept.
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Hanibal94 passes the 50,000 mark!
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You're really rolling along, Hanibal 8)
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Yep! I'm quite determined to finish this ship off for good.
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Yep! I'm quite determined to finish this ship off for good.
Save some for me.
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Yep! I'm quite determined to finish this ship off for good.
Save some for me.
Don't
worry Cap'n, there's lots left for us - several years worth, as a
matter of fact. See you in Vancouver at the Rocky Mountain Express
station on the tenth.
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Yep! I'm quite determined to finish this ship off for good.
Save some for me.
No
need to worry - I did some calculating, and figured out that I will
never ursurp you, even if I transcribe the rest of my stream all by
myself (highly likely) and you never transcribe a single WR on this ship
ever again (not likely!).
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Took me some time to decipher this port name...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol037of040/vol037of040_029_0.jpg
... but I managed to work it out: Hankow, China.
And
then I suddenly felt deja-vu because the HMS Bee, the very first ship I
ever worked on (and the first where I made big mistakes ::)) was
at Hankow a lot!
Has it really been almost five whole years since then?
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Took me some time to decipher this port name...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol037of040/vol037of040_029_0.jpg
... but I managed to work it out: Hankow, China.
And
then I suddenly felt deja-vu because the HMS Bee, the very first ship I
ever worked on (and the first where I made big mistakes ::)) was
at Hankow a lot!
Has it really been almost five whole years since then?
Time passes quickly when you are addicted. :)
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Due to the monotony of the Concord, I have decided the following:
On every odd day (like today), I will work on the Jamestown 1844.
On every even day (yesterday, tomorrow), I will work on the Concord.
When I have finished one of them (Concord first, I think), I will focus 100% on the other and eliminate her too.
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That sounds like a good idea, Hanibal. :)
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That sounds like a good idea, Hanibal. :)
It sure is - the Jamestown 1844 can be quite fun, actually, when you use Firefox so you can have AutoFill.
Today, I did 1567 WR on the J-44 - about 3 months and 20 days!
And tomorrow, I intend to do what's left of 1907 on the Concord for me: Half of November and all of December.
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Don't you go getting RSI again Hanibal.
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Actually, I don't think I'll make it - but not because of RSI.
It's
because I'm moving house on the 26th, and today's the one day of this
week with no college courses, so that makes it the day I have to do a
bunch of stuff to prepare for the move. It's turning to be more than
expected - I'll get it all done today, but I probably will only have
enough time left to do my daily 5 pages on the Patterson.
Now, if you excuse me, I better go gather up all the food my ex-roommate left behind and donate it to a local charity.
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Good luck with the food and the move! I am soon leaving for
Vancouver where I will find Stuart and escort him back here after I make
a brief appearance at a gathering to celebrate the 50th anniversary of
my university. I was in the first class, so I get the honorary title of
"Charter Student." Stuart will leave here on Sunday, so I should be back
on board the Concord then. :)
It's been so long since I was on board the Concord, I might have to watch the video on how to transcribe the data. ;)
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;D
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It's 11:40 p.m. and I can report that Stuart has safely arrived in
Victoria. I should have know that, having been captain on the Concord
for 13 years so far, Stuart's train would have been 1 1/2 hours late,
which meant we had to rush to catch the bus to the ferry. But, being
captain of the Concord for 13 years so far, the ferry would be 20
minutes late! :)
Consequently, I am upping the corkage fees
to $25 for each bottle of our wine he drinks and adding a $7.50
handling fee for each bottle of beer. ;D
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;D
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8)
Has Stuart been informed of the bar charges, or will he be blindsided with a big bill on leaving?
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The charges have been clearly posted - we can all vouch for that ;D
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There is no alcohol on board the B.C. Ferries, being part of the
highway system, so Stuart is starting to shake a little. ;) Given
sufficient time before I offer him a drink, I don't expect any trouble
at all. ;D
Note that the sun is well above the yardarm....
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I had to give in. Stuart's whining was unbearable. :'(
Thanks to the corkage and handling fees, I'm rich enough now I could put cruisers on every harbor in Shipopoly! ;D
I
tried to upload an image of Mr. Pommy Stuart with a glass of double IPA
in hand, but neither Firefox, IE nor Chrome will allow me so to
do. >:(
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We will have to hear his version of this highway robbery tomorrow after he sleeps it off. ;)
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The captain of the good ship Concord, Pommystuart, has left Victoria
in as good or better shape than when he arrived, and he is on his way
back to that great penal colony in the southern hemisphere - the one
just west of New Zealand. ;D
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September 7th 1895
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol026of055/vol026of055_075_1.jpg
Corneils McCarthy enlisted this day as Fireman 1st class, for one year.
While
checking the unusual first name spelling I found that this man was
awarded the Manila Bay medal a few years later while aboard the USS
Concord as a water tender. He is actually re enlisting on this
date.
http://www.history.navy.mil/browse-by-topic/heritage/service-medals-and-campaign-credits/dewey-medal/manila-bay-medal-uss-concord.html
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:)
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We have beaten our record
30 absentees on 5 July 1904.
Not sure if that is a good or bad record :-[
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Great to see you back on board, my Captain!
It was getting kinda lonely here.
I'm almost done with log book 37 - just 20 days left to go.
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Great to see you back on board, my Captain!
It was getting kinda lonely here.
I'm almost done with log book 37 - just 20 days left to go.
Danka.
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Even though I have spent over 13 Concord years on this, there are
still occasions when I nearly give in to despair... :'(
10 July 1904 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol033of040/vol033of040_180_1.jpg)
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That is so very much proof of a badly run, badly crewed falling apart ship. Amazing.
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Sorry. :-[
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Most certainly not at our end of history!! Our captain and crew are phenomenal!! :) 8)
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Most certainly not at our end of history!! Our captain and crew are phenomenal!! :) 8)
Thanks for the vote of confidence. 13 years done, five more to go. Can we do it without going insane? :'(
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Thanks for the vote of confidence. 13 years done, five more to go. Can we do it without going insane? :'(
I'm doing alright - only got about 1.5 years to go, and my brain feels OK.
How the heck can the crew have such a lack of discipline for so long?
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OK, it looks like they're recording the pressure and Ther Attached
twice for each hour - once with mercurial, and once with aneroid.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_016_0.jpg
I think it would be best to transcribe both, but I shall wait for confirmation before proceeding.
This may have started earlier, but I think I skipped it in the past.
EDIT: Actually, it only started two days ago, so I didn't skip much. Will go back and redo these two days if necessary.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_014_0.jpg
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Philip asks to see those second readings as their own WR, thanks Hanibal. Team finds comparing baros helpful.
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Yes: Type What You See - Yes, but ... Double Entries (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3191.0)
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Thanks for the clarification, mods. I went and fixed the 1.5 pages
where I had skipped it. From looking ahead, it appears they only do this
for a few days anyway.
I also added it to the list of oddities at the start of this topic.
Note to Philip: The extra baro is always the mercurial one.
Note to Stuart and Michael: Please transcribe these entries as well when you get to them, so that our transcriptions match.
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Thanks for the note for Philip!
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Thanks
for the clarification, mods. I went and fixed the 1.5 pages where I had
skipped it. From looking ahead, it appears they only do this for a few
days anyway.
I also added it to the list of oddities at the start of this topic.
Note to Philip: The extra baro is always the mercurial one.
Note to Stuart and Michael: Please transcribe these entries as well when you get to them, so that our transcriptions match.
Roger Dodger!
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Thanks
for the clarification, mods. I went and fixed the 1.5 pages where I had
skipped it. From looking ahead, it appears they only do this for a few
days anyway.
I also added it to the list of oddities at the start of this topic.
Note to Philip: The extra baro is always the mercurial one.
Note to Stuart and Michael: Please transcribe these entries as well when you get to them, so that our transcriptions match.
Roger Dodger!
okely dokely
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Between 2 and 3 pm on this page, there seems to be an extra barometer value.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_053_0.jpg
I entered it in its own WR, with a time of 2:30 pm.
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Unusual, but it seems to be the same handwriting. Sounds perfect action.
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"I entered it in its own WR, with a time of 2:30 pm." would definitely be correct...
However, given that there is no reading for midnight, I wonder if the barometer readings got shifted up by accident. :-\
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However, given that there is no reading for midnight, I wonder if the barometer readings got shifted up by accident. :-\
Dang - I think you might be right!
I just saw it happen again - and again, there is no midnight reading!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_055_0.jpg
Must correct this at once!
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Uh oh - looks like the PM readings for 22nd and 23rd July 1908 got swapped!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_105_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_106_0.jpg
I
didn't notice this until I had transcribed both days - could someone
please send a PM to Philip? I'd rather not have to correct all that...
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Will do.
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Under the subject line OOOOPS!!!
19 July 1904
Signals:- 1:45 C. to M. W.W. " Your twenty-two caliber bullets are hitting this ship."
M is USS Marblehead.
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09 August 1904 - Puget Sound Navy Yard.
Signals as follows:
2:00 C. to F. W.W. " To C. in C. Telegram has been received by Commandant to put C. out of Commission."
It's
interesting because for quite some time they have been taking on lots
of stores and have had many workmen on board working on many parts of
the ship. I wonder if the Citizens Against Unfair Taxes or some other such group was complaining about re-fitting a ship that was then taken out of commission? ;D
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23 mercurial readings on one page!!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_134_0.jpg
I transcribed the first as taking place at 1 pm, the second at 1:30 pm, the third at 2 pm etc. until the last one at 12 pm.
EDIT: It gets even worse!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_135_0.jpg
But fortunately, it stops the next day:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_136_0.jpg
This means I had to do 71 WR for page 135 - A record!
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Good job!
You should have somebody court-martialed for missing that 1:30am reading!
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Good job!
You should have somebody court-martialed for missing that 1:30am reading!
Don't
worry, someone will be, and if not for that, for something else. I'm
back in August 1904 and we have 4 Special Courts Martial going on at the
same time. ;D
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25 August 1904. Puget Sound Naval Station:
U.S.S. "Concord" hauled down flag and went out of Commission at 10:30 A.M.
Maybe we will get a better behaved crew with the next commission. :-\
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What ya on Michael?
You look younger each new pic.
Anything pre 0 is banned you know.
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Desertions on the USS Concord. At the end of this commission, we had
100 deserters. In all 357 crewmen were mentioned, for a desertion rate
of 28%! I wonder if this is standard for the times, or if Concord is just that kind of ship.
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According to this article, it has always been a problem but Concord
is way over the top. All of my instincts say they had very bad
management, unable to earn any vestige of real respect. That it
was so thru out several commissions with different commanders makes me
wonder - is it on purpose by the top brass? Is this the ship that
gets all the bad apples they cannot quite court martial and fire?
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/desertion.aspx
...
The
highest peacetime desertion rates in American history were reached
during periods of economic growth in the 1820s, early 1850s, early
1870s, the 1880s, early 1900s, and the 1920s, when the annual flow of
deserters averaged between 7 and 15 percent of the U.S. Army. A peak of
32.6 percent was recorded in 1871, when 8,800 of the 27,010 enlisted men
deserted in protest against a pay cut. (By contrast, the desertion rate
in the British army was only about 2 percent.) Lured by higher civilian
wages and prodded by miserable living conditions?low pay, poor food,
inadequate amenities, and boredom?on many frontier western outposts, a
total of 88,475 soldiers (one‐third of the men recruited by the army)
deserted between 1867 and 1891.
The peacetime navy had its own
desertion problems. In the nineteenth century, many of the enlisted men
had grim personal backgrounds or criminal records or were foreigners
with little loyalty to the United States. A rigid class system and iron
discipline contributed to high rates of alcoholism and desertion. In
1880, there were 1,000 desertions from an enlisted force of 8,500
seamen.
...
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I was curious about the first two commissions and deserters:
- Feb 1891 - May 1896: 138 desertions from 758 crew, 18%
- May 1897 - FEb 1902: 87 desertions from 756 crew, 11.5%
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So normally they were average in their desertion problems.
Something went really wrong this time around. Curiosity has me
wanting to go back there to find out.
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Way ahead of you, Janet. The last few posts here have me digging
through a bunch of stuff in preparation for a History Gone by the Board
post. Might be a long-ish one, because it's being written by someone who
has spent more of his life at sea than ashore. ;)
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Looking forward to reading it, HatterJack. :)
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You can always count on me to make more work for other people! ;D
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Done and done
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4388.msg116266#msg116266)
although I regret to say that the reasons for so many deserters during
that particular commission were... less than spectacular.
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16 September, 1905
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol034of040/vol034of040_006_1.jpg).
Puget Sound Navy Yard.
At
10:00 the ship was placed in commission, being turned over by Commander
V. L. Cottman, U.S.N. - Captain of the Yard, to Commander C. F. Boush
U.S.N. Commanding Officer.
It
will be interesting to see how many of these 148 crew will have
deserted in the next two weeks. Anyone want to put in a guess as to how
many will have deserted by the end of December? Put me down for 22. The
one with the closest guess gets bragging rights and, if they are in
Victoria, I will buy them a libation of their choice at our local pub.
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My guess is 19 desertions by end of September.
But I'm not in Victoria, and I don't drink alcohol, so no pub please.
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My guess is 19 desertions by end of September.
But I'm not in Victoria, and I don't drink alcohol, so no pub please.
They have lots of yummy non-alcoholic drinks! :D
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My guess is 19 desertions by end of September.
But I'm not in Victoria, and I don't drink alcohol, so no pub please.
Made it through the first day with NO absentees. Yah
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Whoops - meant to say end of DECEMBER!
19 desertions by end of December 1905! That's my guess!
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Commissioned on the 16th on the 19th handing out punishments.
Not a good start.
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Put me down for 28 by the end of September, and if I ever get round to heading up to Victoria, a pint and a cottage pie.
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Put me down for 28 by the end of September, and if I ever get round to heading up to Victoria, a pint and a cottage pie.
It
that the end of Sep 1905 Concord time, or Sep 2015 our time? Hanibal
and I are going for the end of Dec 1905, and I recommend you pick a
number for that date, too. You have to be AWOL for 10 days to be
declared a deserter, which means that Concord might have one deserter by
the end of Sep 1905, one F. H. Manning (Sea). Three men were AWOL on
day four, but were caught my marine sentries in the Navy Yard, and two
others returned late. This is only up to 21 Sep, which is day six for
this commission.
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The observations for the PM period on 23 Sep 1905
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol034of040/vol034of040_013_0.jpg)
were all copied by the logwriter one line too high. I transcribed them
as they should have been 1-12 not PM - 11. And, the 5 PM temperature was
written and transcribed as 61; it should have been 71. That being said,
at least the handwriting is very good, at least for this ship. ;)
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The PM obs for 25 Sep 1905
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol034of040/vol034of040_015_0.jpg)
were also copied one line too high, and I transcribed them as they
should have been with hours 1-12 not PM-11. Still, his handwriting is
quite lovely.
Fun with weather!
On that day:
- Puget Sound Navy Yard (47.930N, 122.445W), the highest hourly temperature was 60, the lowest was 54 and it was raining;
- Seattle, 47.650N, 122.300W) the Max Temp was 61, the Min was 52 and they had 0.58" rain;
- Snohomish (47.917N, 122.083W) the Max Temp was 60, the Min was 51 and they had 0.60" rain; and,
- Brinnon (47.70N, 122.933W) the Max was 57*, the Min was 51. The precipitation report was missing.
The
* indicates that the Max of 57F failed on of the NCDC's (National
Climate Data Center's) quality control tests. Note that the Daily Max is
almost always higher than the highest hourly temperature, and the Daily
Min is almost always lower than the lowest hourly temperature.
This, however is 25 Sep 2015. How does current weather compare with that from 110 years previously?
Bremerton (47.5N, 122.75W) 10 AM PST |Calm| 0| 30.07| | 55| 54| | oc| Str-Cum| 10|
Puget
Sound Naval Yard 10 AM PST | SW| 1| 29.99| 72|
56| 55| | ocr| Nim| 10|
My house (46.44N,123.35W) 10 AM PST |Calm| 0| 30.05| 69| 57| 56| | oc| Str| 10|
Pretty typical late September on the best coast. ;D
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Yep - that is the Neah Bay and Seattle my mom lived in half a
lifetime ago. Always carry an umbrella, and take advantage of the
rare sunny day instantly. And don't expect sympathy from your
Chicagoan daughter when you are experiencing an unusual cold snap with a
high of 30F in January while she is experiencing lows of -20F the same
day. She'll just tell you to come home to Chicago to get
re-acclimated to winter.
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Yep
- that is the Neah Bay and Seattle my mom lived in half a lifetime
ago. Always carry an umbrella, and take advantage of the rare
sunny day instantly. And don't expect sympathy from your Chicagoan
daughter when you are experiencing an unusual cold snap with a high of
30F in January while she is experiencing lows of -20F the same
day. She'll just tell you to come home to Chicago to get
re-acclimated to winter.
Oh
but I reserve the right to boast when, in January, it is sunny and 15C
(59F) here in Victoria and it is -40 (C &/or F) in Whitehorse! Not
only do I reserve the right to boast, but I frequently do! ;D
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Chicago doesn't even try to compete with Whitehorse - we have a
Great Lake keeping us too mild to dare anything of the sort. ;)
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Chicago
doesn't even try to compete with Whitehorse - we have a Great Lake
keeping us too mild to dare anything of the sort. ;)
I
loved the clear cold days when the snow sparkled and the air was a
bright blue. My favourite months of the year were Dec-Feb inclusive.
That being said, there is something to be said for living in a place a
little bit more temperate. ;D
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When all my mother's siblings retired to Florida, they went to the
northern half of the state - there were still winter frosts and some
trees had leaves change color, but they never had to shovel snow.
Keep the sense of seasons, but give your back and cold feet a deserved
rest.
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Another weird pressure, at 8 am:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol039of040/vol039of040_066_0.jpg
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Looking at 3am, 8am might be a very badly written 2.
Your call.
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Looking at 3am, 8am might be a very badly written 2.
Your call.
I'm with Randi. Mind you, Concord has never been known for sloppy writing! ;D
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18 Oct 1905, Puget Sound Navy Yard.
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol034of040/vol034of040_038_1.jpg)
Must be October. The boys of summer have been replaced:
Sent foot-ball party ashore for practice.
They played the 2nd team from USS Chicago the other day. No mention of a score... :'(
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19 Oct 1905 - Puget Sound Naval Yard.
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol034of040/vol034of040_039_1.jpg)
The
first two deserters from Concord. They were so good, they managed to
desert before the ship was even commissioned! 73 days to go. We have six
more that look likely to be added to the total; rewards have been
offered to the police from Bremerton and Seattle for the return of the
Puget Sound Six. ;D
Lee
Hoon and Tom Sing (M. Att.) were declared deserters from the U.S Naval
Service from Sept. 11, 1905, they having deserted from the U.S.S. "
Solace" while enroute to this vessel from the U.S.R.S. Independence.
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21 Oct 1905 - Puget Sound Naval Yard.
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol034of040/vol034of040_041_1.jpg)
We're up to six deserters. Who wants to bet on the number by December 31, 1905?
By
order of the Captain, B. A. Berry (C.P.), P. Le Doux, (C.P.), G. W.
Marey, (C.P.) and F. Schonhoff (S.C.3.C.) were declared deserters from
the U.S. Naval Service from October 10, 1905.
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23 Oct 1905 - Puget Sound Naval Yard
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol034of040/vol034of040_043_1.jpg)
Another deserter for a total of seven.
By order of the Captain J. Daly (F. 2.C.) was declared a deserter from the U.S. Naval Service from October 11th.
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30 Oct 1905 - Puget Sound Naval Yard
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol034of040/vol034of040_050_1.jpg)
Here's number eight to round out October.
By order of the Captain C. Wing (M. Att. 3. C.) was declared a deserter from the U.S. Naval Service from October 17, 1905.
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A
common problem while on land was desertion; crew members would run away
from the ship mid-voyage because they did not enjoy life aboard a
whaling ship. Complaints included quality of food, the difficulty of the
work, and homesickness. Sometimes deserters would be caught and
punished, but often they got away.
...
Occasionally crew members
would fight with each other or speak disrespectfully of the captain or
officers. This would result in punishment, usually by being tied in the
rigging, flogged, and/or put in irons (manacles).
;)
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11 Nov 1905
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol034of040/vol034of040_062_1.jpg)
- Puget Sound Naval Yard
Two more gets us to ten so far. I
notice that this captain is taking longer to declare men as deserters.
In the previous commissions, a man was declared a deserter after ten
days absence, with these two it's 18 and 14 days.
By
order of the Captain E. Burke (C.P.) and T. Moran (F.2.C.) were
declared deserters from the U.S. Naval Service from October 24th and
28th respectively.
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17 Nov 1905 - Puget Sound Navy Yard
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol034of040/vol034of040_068_1.jpg)
Deserter number 11. (Five men AWOL, a couple of whom look promising for desertion.)
By order of the Captain R. Burt. (Elec. 3.C.), was declared a deserter from the US Naval Service from November 6th, 1905.
I predicted 22, Hanibal94 19, and Hatterjack 28 by the end of December. Still too close to call...
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28 Nov 1905 - Puget Sound Navy Yard
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol034of040/vol034of040_081_1.jpg).
Deserters
numbers 12-20! And we're not even out of November yet. Looks like you
and I, Hanibal, are well out of this competition! ;D
The
following men were declared deserters:- from Nov 17-05; Wicker H. F.
(Sea) Poe, A. M. (A.S.), Baulch R. (Cox), Pollard, C. (C.P.), Kreuger E
(C.P.); From Nov 18-05,- Bell, R.M. (O.S.), Smith, T. (M.A.A.3.C.),
Antrobus, C. (M.M.1.C); From Nov. 21-05,- Isomura H. (M. Att).
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Deserters
numbers 12-20! And we're not even out of November yet. Looks like you
and I, Hanibal, are well out of this competition! ;D
Awwww... and I was so sure because I based my guess on mathematical calculation, using previous commissions as examples!
Still, I'm close to finishing this ship. Only got one logbook left, and it's a shorty.
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I did it! I just finished the last logbook on the Concord! Woohoo!
Gotta admit, it wasn't so bad. I got to visit lots of places in China, SE Asia and the Pacific.
Now
to deal with the Patterson. That one's been on my To-Do list for almost
a whole year now, and I want to knock her off for good.
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02 Dec 1905
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol034of040/vol034of040_085_1.jpg)
- Puget Sound Navy Yard
Up to 21 deserters!
Buck, L. W. (O.S.) was declared a deserter from November 20, 1905.
This
ship is going to have to go on a long shake-down cruise with no stops
if I have any hope of getting only 22 deserters! :'(
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05 Dec 1905
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol034of040/vol034of040_088_1.jpg)
- Puget Sound Navy Yard
We got one back. Down to 20! :)
At
3:30 R. Baulch, (Cox) who had been declared a deserter from this vessel
reported on board and was by order of the Captain placed in solitary
confinement.
I wonder what happens to the $1.20 that was collected when his goods were sold at auction on the 4th. ;D
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07 Dec 1905
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol034of040/vol034of040_090_1.jpg)
- Puget Sound Navy Yard
That's my man! This is the second time
I've seen this sort of thing. :o I think the first person to
escape was in double irons... ;D
At
7:15 T. O'Connor, (F.2.C.) who was in single irons awaiting trial by
S.C.M. was found to be out of the ship - having left without permission.
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09 Dec 1905
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol034of040/vol034of040_092_1.jpg)
- Puget Sound Navy Yard.
Here's number 21 for the second time.
Still haven't found Mr. O'Connor. He shouldn't be hard to spot, running
around in single irons! ;D
C. M. Shipman (A. S.) was declared a deserter from the U.S. Naval Service from November 27,-05.
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23 Dec 1905
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol034of040/vol034of040_107_1.jpg)
- Puget Sound Naval Yard.
Number 22.
It is interesting that
he was declared a deserter after being away only two days! T. O'Connor
has not showed up. He was carried as absent up until 20 Dec, but there
was been no mention after that, and there was no record of him being
declared a deserter. (I'm sure he was, and I put it down to careless
logging - not that that ever happens on this ship!)
Matsumiya, J. was declared a deserter from Dec 21-05.
Can we make it to the New Year with no more??? :)
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Sailing to Honolulu from 25 December on. Quite frequently our trusty
logwriter is putting W for both Lat and Long. I have transcribed them
as written, though it pains me mightily. If we ever get a Tardis, I want
an early trip so I can give him a slap up the side of his head.
;D
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On 25 Dec
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol034of040/vol034of040_109_0.jpg)
it looks to me like he is using N and W - although they do look similar :-\
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Look on this page
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol034of040/vol034of040_112_0.jpg).
His first Lat is clearly an N, but not the rest.
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At least it doesn't look like an 'S' - that's horribly fancy writing, too many flourishes.
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Agreed! ;D
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At least you actually have longs and lats! The Patterson rarely does, and I hate that.
Plus, I've seen two cases of her being in the "Behring Sea".
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At least it doesn't look like an 'S' - that's horribly fancy writing, too many flourishes.
Try
reading his Events pages. His flourishes on one line get tangled up
with the ones on the line below, and his Js, Gs and Qs all look the
same, depending on whether it's upper or lower case. Ci Cu is
often indistinguishable from A Cu; I could go on... :'( :'( :'(
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That's one of the reasons Concord attracts those enlivened by a serious challenge to conquer. 8)
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29 Dec 1905 - At sea en route to Honolulu
Deserters 23-26. Craig gets the closest guess. :) :) :)
The
following named men were declared deserters from December 24th Hood,
O.O. (Com. Std); Lindgren F.F. (Cox); Danley, (R. B.) (O.Sea) and Kelly
J. W. (M.M.1.C.)
Desertion rate thus far is 14% (27
deserters - I'm counting T. O'Connor who slipped his chains of steel and
ran off into the night - out of 191 crew).
Next time you're in Victoria, Craig, we'll haul five blocks south to the nearest pub and celebrate!
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Who, me? ??? I don't remember guessing about this but I'll take you up on the pub offer just the same. ;D
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Who, me? ??? I don't remember guessing about this but I'll take you up on the pub offer just the same. ;D
Ooops.
It was HatterJack
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3337.msg116427#msg116427).
He's a lot closer, so he gets the prize. Mind you, should you ever be
out this way you, too, will be dragged up the road to the pub.
He guessed 28! What a guy!!! :)
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Well, I was really hoping it wouldn't be quite so high, but next
time I'm in Victoria, I'll be sure to take you up on that :D
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That's one of the reasons Concord attracts those enlivened by a serious challenge to conquer. 8)
And conquer it I did! Haha!
But if you want a REAL challenge, try the Patterson - she's a real mess, even for me!
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I am sure Hanibal must have asked this question before but here goes.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol034of040/vol034of040_131_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol034of040/vol034of040_131_0.jpg)
8AM locations
Lat by DR
Long by Summer Line
What is Summer Line?
A Previous day again 8am.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol034of040/vol034of040_129_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol034of040/vol034of040_129_0.jpg)
I just logged it as Obs with the note in Name box 'By star and sun'
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Try googling Sumner line.
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It is in the OWpedia ;)
(though I just discovered that it was not in correct alphabetical order :-[)
determination of longitude by Sumner Line
(so named for Captain Thomas H. Sumner, who devised the method when his
ship and crew were in grave danger during heavy weather and rough seas,
which prevented making observations in a regular and timely manner),
which involves using observations of altitude of known celestial bodies
to triangulate position when likelihood of error by dead reckoning is
likely to be in error, but direct observation is impossible. It is
surprisingly precise when you've got a capable navigator, but can be
disastrous if calculated incorrectly. [HatterJack]
[AND]
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=9.msg115665#msg115665
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It might be better not to put notes in the Name box :-\
Quite sometime back I asked Philip about putting the time of the observation in the Name box and he said not to do that.
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Philip was very definite about that - you need to make it an
event. When we are doing logs connected to Talk you will be able
to make editor's comments attached to page, as well as longer
discussions on it.
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However, transcribing it simply as Observed is sufficient.
You don't need to record the details unless you really want to ;)
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Try googling Sumner line.
I used EDGE's default search engine and did not find any answers. I entered Summer line. :-[
Thanks for the other comments.
I knew Hanibal would have asked the question but did not know where.
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I did ask the question, but not in this topic:
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=9.msg113914#msg113914
The answer is: Transcribe as Observed.
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MAPurves passes the 50,000 mark!
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(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-060.gif) Hanibal94 passes the 60,000 mark! (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-061.gif)
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I had to chuckle. Obviously they caught the guy, but did why were they chasing him? ;D
The foremast of the sailing launch was broken by launch going under lower boom after guy.
PS. Yes, I do know what a guy is. ;)
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20 April 1906 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol034of040/vol034of040_261_1.jpg) Yokohama, Japan
Putting on the Ritz!
At
8:10 Commanding Officer left the ship and went ashore to go to Tokyo
and pay official visits there with the Commander-in-Chief and to attend
the Garden Party of the Emperor of Japan this afternoon.
......
At
10:00 P. Ass't Surgeon, A.E. Peck and at 11:00 Lieutenant R. C. Moody,
Lieutenant S. Woods, Ensign C.L. Hand, Ensign D. W. Bagley and Ass't
Paymaster E. R. Wilson, U.S. Navy left the ship to attend the Garden
Party of the Emperor of Japan at Tokyo.
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I am getting fed up with the scribe pasting the daily delivery of eggs in the middle of the weather page.
It means we have to do the page twice 1/2 and 1/2 (else display two split pages and do on one which is also a pain).
Is anyone collecting the Egg data? ::)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol035of040/vol035of040_012_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol035of040/vol035of040_012_0.jpg)
and
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol035of040/vol035of040_013_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol035of040/vol035of040_013_0.jpg)
Is
it my browser or had the forum page displace my cursor. When clicking
on Hyperlink the cursor ends up not between the brackets but displaced
by two characters to the left, same with color. ???
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I can't imagine this would bother a hard boiled transcriber like you, Stuart. ;D
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I can't imagine this would bother a hard boiled transcriber like you, Stuart. ;D
You are right Craig, us Egg heads can endure anything. :P
All other victualling data (except the occasional Apricot) gets written up in the Misc page except these eggs.
The bills made the 24th May into 5 double pages. :o
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Hyperlink works normally for me - between the two bracketed urls.
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I can't imagine this would bother a hard boiled transcriber like you, Stuart. ;D
You are right Craig, us Egg heads can endure anything. :P
All other victualling data (except the occasional Apricot) gets written up in the Misc page except these eggs.
The bills made the 24th May into 5 double pages. :o
That must be egghausting
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Hyperlink works normally for me - between the two bracketed urls.
I never use the url brackets unless I want the displayed text to be different from the actual URL.
Links are recognized and processed just fine even without those brackets.
Example: http://www.oldweather.org/ships/50874e6a09d409075501553a
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You guy crack me up with your
yokes jokes.
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You guy crack me up with your yokes jokes.
In that case, let me contribute one as well:
(http://www.gunaxin.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Egg-Face-Art-01.jpg)
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I never use the url brackets unless I want the displayed text to be different from the actual URL.
Links are recognized and processed just fine even without those brackets.
Example: http://www.oldweather.org/ships/50874e6a09d409075501553a
Ditto.
My brain is getting scrambled...
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Ditto.
My brain is getting scrambled...
Eggsactly like mine is ( I don't think I have Poached anybody's word there).
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I have eggamined the log pages ahead and am ending this topic now
before it eggspands into an eggstreamly large eggsperiment in finding
egg words.
We do not get rid of the egg scribe till Jan 1907 (it's only Jun 1906 now).
I will be eggstatic then that happens.
I will make my eggsit now.
::)
Please eggscuse my spelling, I was never good at it.
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:P :P :P :P :P
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::) :P ;D
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HELP!
There is an error with the system that figures out the
last page. When I log in to transcribe Concord, I get this page for Jan
3, 1907:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol036of040/vol036of040_010_0.jpg
Stuart and I just finished off August, 1906. The first day in September is:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol035of040/vol035of040_224_0.jpg
I
know that Stuart is a fast transcriber, but I cannot believe he did 120
days of weather AND events in the past 12 hours. Not even Hanibal could
work that quickly!!! ;D
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There is an error with the system that figures out the last page.
The problem appears to be with the pages rather than the system...
While peeking ahead, I just discovered that four whole months of logs appear to be missing.
Logbook 35 claims to go from May 17th to December 31st 1906:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol035of040/vol035of040_003_1.jpg
But the last page I can access via URL editing is September 1st 1906:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol035of040/vol035of040_228_1.jpg
After that - error!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol035of040/vol035of040_229_1.jpg
Logbook 36, however, is fine, starting right where it should be:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol036of040/vol036of040_008_0.jpg
This
is very strange, because while the Concord has been out of commission
for some time, none of her sources mention any breaks in 1906.
Craig, do you remember if you ever got these missing months later on?
No,
they don't appear, Hanibal. I skipped from Sept 1906 to Jan. 1907, as
you said. After that it went up chronologically to 1908 and 1909,when it
was decommissioned. My last page was Nov. 3, 1909.
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HELP!
I
know that Stuart is a fast transcriber, but I cannot believe he did 120
days of weather AND events in the past 12 hours. Not even Hanibal could
work that quickly!!! ;D
Actually... I could.
One
24 WR page takes me 3 to 4 minutes - let's assume 4, to account for
time spent waiting for the interface to reload after every
transcription, and time to skip through Events pages.
So, 120 days would make 480 minutes, which is eight hours.
However,
this is just a theoretical calculation. It does not take into account
factors such as the endurance of my hands and wrists, looking for good
music to play while transcribing, or bathroom breaks. And I seriously
doubt I could do four hours non-stop, let alone eight!
But yes, this is just a case of some logs missing. Keep going, and make do without.
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:)
Yes, but I said, "AND Events!". ;D
And he
keeps his spreadsheet of crew changes up to date, as well. (And he PMs
me of changes he notes because we are both working on a single stream.)
If
it hadn't been for people like you and Craig, Stuart and I would be
working on this ship forever. But you know how much effort goes into
keeping crew lists up-to-date, which is why the "And Events" condition
meant that even you couldn't do the four months in 12 hours. ;)
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TWYG ;D
(I had some funny pages around the end of Aug 1906)
With Hanibal doing 4 min a page, a month of WR's in about 2 hrs, and Craig not far short of that.
I am typing veeerrrry slowly. 6 Min to do the 24 WR pages :(
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It takes me at least 6 minutes for 24 WRs too, Stuart. I won't get be getting a speeding ticket anytime soon. ;D
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Whoops - I forgot that you meant it that way, Mike. Apologies.
I
am well aware of how tough it is dealing with crew lists, since I was
responsible for the one on the Pioneer (Technically I still am, but
she's done, so I'm on leave until some lucky editor does her histories)
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I did accidentally transcribe a few individual pages twice - and
that would have knocked them out of the interface, so maybe that's what
you're seeing, Stuart.
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I've been doing some pages from time to time over the last few days.
- Bob
Is anybody else doing Concord right now? If so could you identify yourself please.
I seem to miss pages (11th Jan then 13th Jan etc).
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I
did accidentally transcribe a few individual pages twice - and that
would have knocked them out of the interface, so maybe that's what
you're seeing, Stuart.
How did you manage to do that?
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I
did accidentally transcribe a few individual pages twice - and that
would have knocked them out of the interface, so maybe that's what
you're seeing, Stuart.
How did you manage to do that?
Sometimes,
I accidentally click "I've finished with this page" twice, so my
transcriptions get submitted twice, and my WR count goes up by 48
instead of 24.
And sometimes, the interface takes a while to respond,
so I click again, thinking it didn't register my first click, and it
gets submitted twice.
Such cases are very rare. but they do happen.
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Is it worth hopping aboard? Last I left her (about 200,000 weather
entries ago) she was sitting and sitting and sitting in New York
City. :P
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Zovacor, please do not join this vessel.
Stuart and Michael P
are doing the crew lists, and they're sharing the 3rd stream - the only
one left - so they need to see every last page.
If you transcribe anything, they have to look it up later, which takes more time.
So please let them finish this ship.
(No offense here - just trying to keep things in order)
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Hanibal, After my previous posting, Michael and I have thought about this situation when Bob started doing pages.
We decided that we could look back at pages each month and sort it out from there.
As long as we do not have a speedster like you and Craig we can cope.
Thanks for the thought.
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Well, Zovacor is one of the faster mid-level transcribers, with over 30000 WR to his(her?) name.
But if you're so sure, then that's fine.
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Is
it worth hopping aboard? Last I left her (about 200,000 weather entries
ago) she was sitting and sitting and sitting in New York City.
:P
She is not a very mobile ship. We are spending a lot of time around Manila P.I.
If you want action then this is NOT the ship for you. the most action we just have is lots of deserters to log.
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Thirty two men returned from the target range at 9:45.
(No mention how many went out there.) ::)
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what happens if thirty went and thirty two came back? ;) :D
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Still better than 29.5 men, I guess ;)
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That's a dark avatar you have there Joan.
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That's a dark avatar you have there Joan.
Looks the same as it always has been to me ???
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Not noticed it for a while. Just looks almost black/blue to me.
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Something special happening around the 20th Feb 1907?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol036of040/vol036of040_072_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol036of040/vol036of040_072_0.jpg)
Not their normal fare.
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Proof that exercise is not good for you. 03 Feb 1907
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol036of040/vol036of040_052_1.jpg)
- Cavite, P.I.
Lasher,
J. (Elec 3c) was injured while playing football on regular ship's team.
He sustained a fracture (right tibia - lower third) probably right
fibula also. Splint dressing applied by the Surgeon of the Navy Yard,
Cavite, P.I., and patient retained at the yard dispensary.
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If he had simply done some spinning on a stationary bicycle he
wouldn't have had those injuries (unless the ship was pitching too
much). And I'll bet they didn't even have anyone on board to warn them
of the dangers of concussion.
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That's a dark avatar you have there Joan.
It seems to have regained its colour.
Go figure, especially since it is night time in the UK.
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Something special happening around the 20th Feb 1907?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol036of040/vol036of040_072_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol036of040/vol036of040_072_0.jpg)
Not their normal fare.
Likely
preparing for George Washington's birthday. It's been celebrated since
his death in 1799, but became a Federal holiday in 1885. It's since been
combined with Abraham Lincoln's birthday (supposedly, the politics
behind it are less than clear) and is celebrated on the third Monday of
February as President's day.
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Thanks.
No mention in events pages. Maybe the officers kept it to themselves.
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First mention as far as I can remember of an Officer on the Concord
being charged with being drunk at 10am, guess the sun was over the yard
arm (somewhere).
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol036of040/vol036of040_149_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol036of040/vol036of040_149_1.jpg)
8am-mer
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19 Apr 1907
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol036of040/vol036of040_141_1.jpg)
Iloilo, Philippines.
At 5:20 a fire broke out in Iloilo.
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Hmm- was it your bunch of reprobates that might possibly have been painting the house (flame) red? :P ;D
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Not us! :o No, not us. >:( We're always on our
best behaviour and we show nothing but respect for the people, places
and things we encounter on our many travels. ;D
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:o (or absent, or we are to drunk to do anything)
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04 May 1907
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol036of040/vol036of040_161_1.jpg),
Swatow, China (Modern name, Shantou)
At 410 a party of Chinese students from the English Presbyterian Mission at Swatow, visited the ship.
See what nice people we are!
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12 May 1907 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol036of040/vol036of040_169_0.jpg), Amoy, China
It
appears the writer has switched the temperature and wet bulb temps from
2 to 4 PM inclusive, and it looks like he read the 1 PM temp 5 degrees
too low ( a common error). One is tempted to assign him eight hours
extra duty but, perhaps, it would be better to assign him eight hours
fewer duty. ;D
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On this basis the crew on the Patterson are due a 10 year holiday to
Hawaii! They'll make sure the cocktails are ready for your
lot ;D
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Does having no absentees at quarters count as a significant event? ;D ;D ;D
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On Concord - Yes!
Good work Michael and Captain Pommy Stuart ;)
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Here's one I haven't seen before. 27 Jun 1907
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol036of040/vol036of040_222_1.jpg),
Chefoo Harbour, China.
Lee
Sam (M. Att. 1c) and Lo One Ping (M. Att. 1c) were this day discharged
from the U.S. Naval Service, on recommendation of the Medical Officer,
as undesirable.
Mr
Ping and Mr. Sam arrived on board 01 Sep 1906 from USS Wisconsin, so
they've been around for a while. We did get a new medical officer a
couple of days back, though.
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Concord 23 Jul 1907.
Ah Kwan died whilst on liberty.
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RIP Ah Kwan
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Michael may be out of touch with us for a while. I heard that
southern Vancouver Island is experiencing high winds and heavy rain.
Lots of homes without power.
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Michael
may be out of touch with us for a while. I heard that southern
Vancouver Island is experiencing high winds and heavy rain. Lots of
homes without power.
Bah! Do I care? Will a little rain stop me? My cat, yes, me no. ;D
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With a cat, you always have power. ;D
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The weather at our house wasn't so bad, we are in a slight bowl so
the winds are much less than they are in more exposed places:
Summary: 12 24 Hrs
Maximum: 14.3 14.3 deg C
Minimum: 8.2 7.1 deg C
Precip: 41.4 46.6 mm
Max Wind: 58 58 kmh
The highest rate of precipitation was between 12 and 1 pm when it was briefly coming down at a rate of 37 mm/hour.
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With a cat, you always have power. ;D
Don't you mean 'With an owner the cat always has power'
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With a cat, you always have power. ;D
Don't you mean 'With an owner the cat always has power'
"No,
surely not," says he who had to take the cat out once the rain had
finished, and even though he was busy trying to finish another day in
OW. ;)
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03 August 1907, Shanghai China.
Just what is a poor captain supposed to do?
At
9:50 a Chinese boarding officer called and requested the Commanding
Officer to full dress ship Tomorrow morning at 8:00 A.M. in honor of the
birthday of the Empress of China. At 10:20 a Russian boarding officer
came aboard and requested that the Commanding Officer full dress ship
morning at 8 A.M. in honor of the birthday of the Empress dowager of
Russia.
04 August 1907, Shanghai China
At 8:00 full dressed ship with Chinese and Russian ensigns at the main.
A true diplomat. ;D
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Ah, but which was at the top?
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Side by side on separate lanyards?
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Side by side on separate lanyards?
A diplomat as ever Janet. ;D
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02 Sep 1907
Here's one I've never seen. How did they manage to do this? Just what sport were they playing: tossing the shovel?
During sports three (3) coaling shovels were lost overboard.
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:o ;D
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02 Sep 1907
Here's one I've never seen. How did they manage to do this? Just what sport were they playing: tossing the shovel?
During sports three (3) coaling shovels were lost overboard.
Field
hockey on deck? Shuffleboard using shovels and coal? Stickball? Those
are the first three that come to mind, although I won't rule out shovel
juggling. Crews get bored, and will do pretty much anything to break up
the monotony.
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Sometimes I just can't help myself... ;D
09 Oct 1907 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol037of040/vol037of040_051_1.jpg) Shanghai
This
dance may be for the Secretary of War, who came in on the USS
Villalobos, although there is no mention of him being on board...
4 to 8 PM
Rigged
out whale boat and gig hoisted same at their harbor davits and rigged
out 1st and 2nd cutter. Spread midship section of awning and commenced
dressing ship for dance. At 8:30 Confined J. J. Flynn, F 2c in the brig
for safe keeping for being drunk aboard ship. (Ed. note: Flynn was
a notorious drinker.)
8 PM to midnight.
Boat cover of the gig
caught afire from cigar stump and burned the sail cover and sails until
it was put out by the Captain. Stern ladder was carried away by steamer
that brought guests to the dance. H. Reinick O.S. fell off the steam
launch while she was tied alongside gangway and swam to sanpan which was
tied astern of launch. Dancing commenced at ten o'clock.
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The prep was in the morning, but that evening gets suggested for Daily Zooniverse as extraordinary conditions on board.
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Interesting day...
8 AM to Meridian
Rigged out whale boat and gig hoisted same at their harbor davits
?
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Interesting day...
8 AM to Meridian
Rigged out whale boat and gig hoisted same at their harbor davits
?
I do believe you are correct. thank you.
(I
didn't transcribe this page, I'm just reading the pages done by Stuart
while I was in Calgary, so I didn't put a huge amount of effort into
trying to decipher that word.)
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13 Nov 1907 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol037of040/vol037of040_087_1.jpg), Shanghai China
James
Bond, 007, joins the ship, third line, Meridian to 4 PM. Don't tell the
Chinese; who knows how much chaos he can get up to in ten days!
;D
Daniel Craig, F 1cl was re-enlisted and granted ten (10) days leave of absence.
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17 Nov 1907 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol037of040/vol037of040_091_0.jpg), Shanghai China
Our boys do it again with yet another first! The wind speed at midnight: 2 3/4!
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I am thinking of just putting 3
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I am thinking of just putting 3
Bad Stuart. 2 3/4 it must be! ;D
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It is 2 3-4 (now)
I actually think it is 2 trending 3-4 later in the hour.
He was a little short of room hence the / between 3 and 4
The next reading at 1am next day is 4
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13 Nov 1907 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol037of040/vol037of040_087_1.jpg), Shanghai China
James
Bond, 007, joins the ship, third line, Meridian to 4 PM. Don't tell the
Chinese; who knows how much chaos he can get up to in ten days!
;D
Daniel Craig, F 1cl was re-enlisted and granted ten (10) days leave of absence.
;D ;D ;D
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Just saw the movie, not that impressed, Daniel can stay on leave.
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It is 2 3-4 (now)
I actually think it is 2 trending 3-4 later in the hour.
He was a little short of room hence the / between 3 and 4
The next reading at 1am next day is 4
I dug up my own transcription of this - it was 2.75, but since you did it as 2 3-4, I changed mine to that. At least now we get two equal transcriptions - no idea what Craig did.
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Nov 22 1907 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol037of040/vol037of040_096_0.jpg)
The
logwriter switched the attached temps and the dry bulb temps for hours
1-4 PM inclusive. Bad logwriter! (I entered them as written.) The
science team might like to know, or not.
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Thanks for telling us (them) Michael.
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It is 2 3-4 (now)
I actually think it is 2 trending 3-4 later in the hour.
He was a little short of room hence the / between 3 and 4
The next reading at 1am next day is 4
I dug up my own transcription of this - it was 2.75, but since you did it as 2 3-4, I changed mine to that. At least now we get two equal transcriptions - no idea what Craig did.
Thanks.
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02 Dec 1907 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol037of040/vol037of040_106_1.jpg) Shanghai
Earnest
Redlish a deserter from the U.S.N. was brought on board from the U.S.S.
Helena. He was brought from Tsingtau to Shanghai by Mr. Gracey,
American consuls. Upon being searched a revolver 38 - cal and 30 rounds
of ammunition were found upon him. He was confined for safe keeping.
His safety or ours? ;)
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Clearly both - someone like that you don't want to let run off among civilians when upset.
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It would seem that he should have been searched before being turned over to Mr. Gracey ::)
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It would seem that he should have been searched before being turned over to Mr. Gracey ::)
Exactly!
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30 Mar 1908, 11 PM
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol037of040/vol037of040_228_0.jpg)
Cavite, Philippines
A hot and humid night!
Temperature = 40.6C 105.0F
Wet Bulb = 33.3C 92.0F
Dewpoint = 31.5C 88.8F
Rel. Hum. = 60%
Humidex = 60C 140F
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They must be used to it. The Events page says "Partly cloudy and warm" ???
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They must be used to it. The Events page says "Partly cloudy and warm" ???
I'm glad it was them and not me!
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28 Apr 1908
1am N
2am SE 1/2 E
3am W 1/4 N
4am Var <- now he is talking precision
5am SE
Nice set of readings ;D
(not compass reading either)
29 Apr 1908
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_014_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_014_0.jpg)
Next
day they are using two barometers with very different readings, the
usual one jumps up 8am- 9am from 29.69 to 30.16 (.39) and the first
reading from the Merc at 9am shows 30.32.
From then on the Merc shows .14 higher most of the time over the usual one which I am logging.
(also noted on Instruments page)
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3am W 1/4 N
4am Var <- now he is talking precision
That's someone who cares to get the job done right ;) ;) 8)
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22 May 1908
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_039_1.jpg)
At anchor off Yokohama, Japan
4 P.M. to 8 P.M.
Base-ball party returned at 5:30, after having been defeated by the Yokohama Commercial Institute, score 8-6. :o
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23 May 1908
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_040_1.jpg)
At anchor off Yokohama, Japan
Meridian to 4 P.M.
Whale boat from the U.S.S. Cleveland capsized. The crew were picked up by H.M.S. Kent. :)
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29 May 1908 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_046_0.jpg)
There
is another set of barometric readings (mercurial barometer)for the
hours 6 PM to Mid. incl. I entered the "normal" ones as part of the full
WR, and then I added a reading for each hour with just the mercurial
reading.
That being said, when I click on "I'm finished with this
page" nothing happens. Is there a problem with the classic OW?
:'(
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29 May 1908 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_046_0.jpg)
There
is another set of barometric readings (mercurial barometer)for the
hours 6 PM to Mid. incl. I entered the "normal" ones as part of the full
WR, and then I added a reading for each hour with just the mercurial
reading.
That being said, when I click on "I'm finished with this
page" nothing happens. Is there a problem with the classic OW?
:'(
Exactly right. :)
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Which is Exactly right? The weather entry, or the fact that OW is hung up.
I also have a hung page full of 24 hrs entries.
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Which is Exactly right? The weather entry, or the fact that OW is hung up.
I also have a hung page full of 24 hrs entries.
Both, actually. The way Michael handed it is correct - that's what I did myself. :)
But sadly, OW Classic is broken again. I can't get at it either - I just get a blank white page when I enter the URL. :(
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Janet sent a message to the PTB earlier, and I just sent another a few minutes ago.
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OW Classic is back up - word is "This was due to one of our servers
failing over night." It is all functional again. :)
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29 May 1908 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_046_0.jpg)
There
is another set of barometric readings (mercurial barometer)for the
hours 6 PM to Mid. incl. I entered the "normal" ones as part of the full
WR, and then I added a reading for each hour with just the mercurial
reading.
That being said, when I click on "I'm finished with this
page" nothing happens. Is there a problem with the classic OW?
:'(
Exactly right. :)
How did you differentiate if the hrs were AM or PM?
That set was luck it had a Mid entry, some have just been mid morning or mid afternoon.
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How did you differentiate if the hrs were AM or PM?
That set was luck it had a Mid entry, some have just been mid morning or mid afternoon.
The
log keeper clearly wrote it in the 6 pm - midnight part, so we can
reasonably assume that that is when they were recorded, right?
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How did you differentiate if the hrs were AM or PM?
That set was luck it had a Mid entry, some have just been mid morning or mid afternoon.
If I remember correctly, when we enter the data, the position of the box on the page is known, so AM or PM can be deduced.
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How did you differentiate if the hrs were AM or PM?
That set was luck it had a Mid entry, some have just been mid morning or mid afternoon.
If I remember correctly, when we enter the data, the position of the box on the page is known, so AM or PM can be deduced.
Correct,
for the tabular weather records - the printer determines the time of
day before the blank logbook ever is put on board the ship. If the
ship goes on nautical days, we are asked to include pm and am.
Not so for random comments, or the very rare blank books which the team
already knows to look for.
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03 June 1908 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_053_0.jpg)
The
silly observer must have dropped a pressure reading at 3 PM when he was
copying, because the readings are one short: i.e. there is no reading
for Midnight. When he got to the bottom, and realized his error, he
wrote in the proper 3 PM reading above the one (really the 4 PM reading)
already in the 3 PM box. So, I have adjusted the readings so the top
reading in the 3 PM box is for 3 PM, the bottom reading in the 3 PM box
is for 4 PM and so on until the reading in the 11 PM box ends up at
midnight, where it should have been.
In my day, should this have
happened, the observer would have re-written the entire sheet over
again, crossed a line through the original sheet, and attached the
corrected version to the original version. ;D
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05 Jun 1908 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_055_0.jpg)
Our trusty logwriter did it again. Two readings at 2 PM and none for midnight. I "shoved" them all down an hour. :'(
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Our trusty transcriber to the rescue! ;D
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How did you differentiate if the hrs were AM or PM?
That set was luck it had a Mid entry, some have just been mid morning or mid afternoon.
If I remember correctly, when we enter the data, the position of the box on the page is known, so AM or PM can be deduced.
What I meant was that after writing 24 entries, how does the system know what your next 6 entries are 6-mid entries?
The next day you have 24 entries and the Merc entries were in the morning 1 - 7am
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All extra entries have both an hour and a position, top or bottom of
page, so I don't see a problem. BUT... it does no harm to add
am/pm for the extras if they are positioned in strange places.
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03 Jun 1908 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_053_1.jpg) Kobe, Japan
Baseball team returned having been defeated by the U.S.S. Denver, score 8-3.
Only
twice have they ever given a score, and both times they have lost. They
send their baseball team ashore quite often, so I wonder if they record
only the losses, or it's just coincidence.
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All
extra entries have both an hour and a position, top or bottom of page,
so I don't see a problem. BUT... it does no harm to add am/pm for
the extras if they are positioned in strange places.
Can
we be assured from the PTB that the extra entries will not screw up the
reading software for that page and render the extra work and/or the
whole page of data useless.
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Yes. I have talked to Philip about this in the past (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3191.msg51629#msg51629).
If you think the timing might not be clear, add am or pm.
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Philip has strongly preferred extra readings rather than either
skipping the extra data or squeezing two readings into a single entrance
box. There has never been a problem with this.
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Thanks Randi and Janet.
Whilst your on line, any suggestions for the clouds 2am, 5am (Ci R)?
Not seen R clouds before
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_066_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_066_0.jpg)
Also next page gives another example of double readings of wind (but only two with a difference).
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_076_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_076_0.jpg)
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There is no such thing as R clouds - rain clouds are nimbus.
TWYS, because this log keeper is clearly confused. :)
I'm
reading the wind readings as being on the half hour, and that's how I
would record the second reading on the line - 6pm for the whole line and
6.30 for the second wind reading. Can also be two 6pm readings I
guess.
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Not only is the log keeper confused, the transcriber is. ::)
For
Example. If I put a second reading with say 6am, Hanibal puts it at
6:30 and Michael does not put anything, how do we get a 2 out of 3
consensus for the reading to be valid?
We are now getting "x
type readings where x is some other additional entry in the " box. (like
"d to mean bcd with the bc from above)
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I do not doubt but what lots of these extras get kicked out for the analysis team to look at.
The
way I see it, if all transcribers do everything, there's a 50% chance
that 2 of you will do it the same and the computer won't call for human
help. Leaving them out is going a long way to getting everyone's
efforts scrapped. Just do what seems right for you.
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I'm
reading the wind readings as being on the half hour, and that's how I
would record the second reading on the line - 6pm for the whole line and
6.30 for the second wind reading. Can also be two 6pm readings I
guess.
Scuse me, but I think Stuart posted the wrong page.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_076_0.jpg
- no extra readings, as far as I can tell
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_067_0.jpg
- extra wind direction and force values in the AM part
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I'm
reading the wind readings as being on the half hour, and that's how I
would record the second reading on the line - 6pm for the whole line and
6.30 for the second wind reading. Can also be two 6pm readings I
guess.
Scuse me, but I think Stuart posted the wrong page.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_076_0.jpg
- no extra readings, as far as I can tell
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_067_0.jpg
- extra wind direction and force values in the AM part
Thanks, Hanibal. I caught that, but the page with the extra wind was find-able.
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If you look at the page for 13 June
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_064_0.jpg),
you will see that there is a line after 12 Noon for 12:30 with just a
wind. At at 1:00 PM there is just a line with a full observation. On the
2 PM line, there are two entries. It makes sense that the top line in
the hour 2 box is for 1:30 and the bottom entry is the full entry for 2
PM. If the logwriter wanted the 1:00 and 1:30 in the the same box, there
would have been two obs in the 1 PM box, but there aren't, the 12:30 is
in the box before (blank after 12) and the 1:30 in the box below.
It seems logical that he would have reported the half hour winds every
hour from 8:30 AM to 7:30 PM. If we assume that the Noon box had the obs
for noon and 12:30 then there would be no need for a line below.
Box Time Data
12 11:30 Wind
12 12:00 Full
Blank 12:30 Wind
1 1:00 Full
2 1:30 Wind
2 2:00 Full
So,
looking at the weather for June 15
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_066_0.jpg)
we notice that there are two observations in the Midnight box, but no
entry underneath, as there was at noon on the 13th of June. According to
my interpretation, the observations in the Midnight box are 11:30 Wind
on top and 12:00 Full on the bottom.
Then on June 16
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_067_0.jpg)
in the 1 AM box there would be the 12:30 observation on the top, with
the 1:00 AM Full observation on underneath.
In my case, when I
transcribed the data for 13 June, I did it with the top line, Wind only,
belonging to the half hour before and the bottom line, Full
observation, belonging to the hour in the box.
Fixed link for June 16 - Randi
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That sounds perfect, Michael. :)
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I'm
reading the wind readings as being on the half hour, and that's how I
would record the second reading on the line - 6pm for the whole line and
6.30 for the second wind reading. Can also be two 6pm readings I
guess.
Scuse me, but I think Stuart posted the wrong page.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_076_0.jpg
- no extra readings, as far as I can tell
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_067_0.jpg
- extra wind direction and force values in the AM part
Sorry should have been.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_066_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_066_0.jpg)
I will try and work out Michaels way from now on.
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Thanks Randi and Janet.
Whilst your on line, any suggestions for the clouds 2am, 5am (Ci R)?
Not seen R clouds before
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_066_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_066_0.jpg)
Also next page gives another example of double readings of wind (but only two with a difference).
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_076_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_076_0.jpg)
I read the clouds as AR, though I have no idea what that means.
I am not seeing double wind readings on the second page, but I do see double wind speeds on the first page.
Here is Janet's summary of an earlier discussion about double readings:
(In part about that particular page!)
Double readings in wind and clouds
He
often has two lines for clouds even when they would fit easily on one.
This is why I am quite sure they indicate different times.
If we
must capture two lines for each hour when there are 2 wind observations -
7 and 7:30 for example, I presume we put the rest of the readings in
the first line?
And, as in at 7 PM in this page, when the two wind readings are identical, is it still necessary two put in two lines.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_066_0.jpg
Where
he has double cloud types, he also usually has two dittos under wind
direction. I'd say that means these are all half hour extra
readings for just wind and clouds.
This is how I would do http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_066_0.jpg:
6
" 2 29.73 71
69 69 OC " 10
6:30 " 3
7
" 3 29.74 71
68 68 " " 10
On
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_064_0.jpg,
look how 12:30 is written in under Noon.
In
earlier logs, they would often put in wind observations whenever the
wind changed, so I'd understand sub-hourly observations if they are
different - they are trying to add detail to the record.
I can't
think of a reason why they would want to double-up on observations when
they are the same, but maybe we'll eventually work it out.
Please
do input all the observations (I like Randi's plan for how) - as I've
said before, in the past whenever we've said, "oh, we don't need that
observation, leave it out", we've ended up regretting it - I would like
to be able to say 'we've got ALL the weather records, even the strange
ones'.
If the difference is just cloud codes and/or wind directions I'd be
happy for them to be combined into one entry - just type both entries
for the same hour into the same box.(Sometimes we get multiple info for a
single ob anyway).
But if there are sub-hourly pressures or temperatures, please do enter them as 2 separate obs.
Thanks, Philip
What Michael says ;D
I answered before seeing the second page of replies :-[
I am loosing my marbles :'(
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I, too, wondered about clouds, but I finally decided that the
observer was reporting two layers: i.e. Ci/Cu (Ci at the top of the box
and Cu at the bottom) is Cir and Cum, whereas Ci Cu is Cir-Cum. Mind
you, they are quite inconsistent. I also think there is a different
observer every four hours, and they each have their own way of doing
things, which makes it even worse: i.e Observer 1 reports Ci Cu for two
layers and Ci-Cu for Cir-Cum, whereas Observer 2 following him uses
Ci/Cu and Ci Cu for the same situation. After having worked for years
with observations that were highly regulated in the way they were
reported (MANOBS - the Manual of Observations - probably had 100 pages
of rules and definitions!) I find these WRs, especially for the clouds,
are quite refreshing (pc for
frustrating/incomprehensible/annoying). ;)
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Any suggestions as to how enter these two pages re dating just above PM readings.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_105_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_105_0.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_106_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_106_0.jpg)
22 and 23 on first page.
23 and 22 on second page.
I was thinking of sending up 4 half pages but cannot do that.
Would a date entry be read on the weather pages if I enter as presented?
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Any suggestions as to how enter these two pages re dating just above PM readings.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_105_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_105_0.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_106_0.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_106_0.jpg)
22 and 23 on first page.
23 and 22 on second page.
I was thinking of sending up 4 half pages but cannot do that.
Would a date entry be read on the weather pages if I enter as presented?
I'd just trancribe each date exactly where it is and let the analysts figure it out. The ultimate TWYS. 8)
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25 July 1908
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- Shanghai, China.
4 to 8 P.M.
At 5:10, fire was reported on
board the S.S. "Tak Sang" of Jardine, Mathson & Co. Ltd. At 5:20,
sent fire and rescue party under Asst. Surgeon E. O. J. Eytinge, U.S.N.
and Asst. Paymaster D. B. Wainwright, U.S.N. to S.S. "Tak Sang". At
7:20, Ensign S. L. H. Hazard U.S.N. left the ship to take charge of fire
and rescue party.
8 P. M. to Midnight.
Fire & Rescue party returned at 9:15. Lost on board the S.S. "Tak Sang", one deck lantern and two canteens.
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Do you think Ensign HAZARD was a good choice to sent to that problem? ;D
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;D ;D
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We have an Ensign Faust on the Patterson we can spare it you want. ;D
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18 Aug 1908
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- Moored at Shanghai, China.
8 A.M. to Meridian.
At 8:00, full dressed ship in honor of the birthday of the Emperor of Austria.
...
At
10:55, hauled down the dressing lines leaving only the masthead flags
up owing to the stress of weather. The following typhoon signals were
hoisted during the watch - 416 (S.E. of Wen Chow) dir. North - 422
(Coast of Chekiang) dir North - S.E. E. (Force of wind at Gutzlaff - 5 -
dir. S.E.)
Meridian to 4 P.M.
Typhoon signal changed to 426 (South of Shanghai) dir. North. Hawse clear.
4 to 8 P.M.
Sent liberty party ashore. Typhoon signal changed to 435 (West of Shanghai) dir. North.
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04 Sep 1908
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- At anchor off Chin-Wang-Tao, China.
Our second try at sinking a
US Navy Collier. The first time, if memory serves, it was the Nero and
we nearly sunk her. Even after two tries on the Caesar, we still
couldn't sink her. ;D
Meridian to 4 P.M.
Underway at
1:45 and stood over to Caesar. At 2:45 went alongside with our port side
to the Collier, in doing so we rolled together and dented in a plate of
Caesar forward of her bridge.
4 to 8 P.M.
Shoved off from
Caesar at 7:30, before we got clear of the Caesar our port after sponson
hit the Caesar damaging her port rail and two air ports.
05
Sep 1908
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_156_1.jpg)
- At anchor off Chin-Wang-Tao, China.
The Caesar gets revenge.
4 to 8 A.M.
Hove
in short and got underway at 3:32. At 6:55 made fast to Collier. At
about 5:30, it was discovered that our side had been stove in by
collier's fender.
Meridian to 4 P.M.
A board to investigate the damage done to the U.S.S. Caessar came aboard & examined the ship's log.
4 to 8 P.M.
Storing
coal on starboard side to develop list. Finished coaling at 5:00,
having taken on board 264 tons, 30 on deck. List 11o to starboard.
06
Sep 1908
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- At anchor off Chin-Wang-Tao, China.
8 A.M to Meridian.
Contninued
working on our side renewing rivets, calking seams etc. ... The Board
composed of Ensign Whiting, Midshipman A. S. Kicky and Midshipman, C. C.
Slayton, made its report to the Commanding Officer.
Meridian to 4 P.M.
Finished work on side at 2:45 and started to fill bunkers with coal.
4 to 8 P.M.
Finished filling bunkers at 4:05 and started to wash down decks.
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Our
second try at sinking a US Navy Collier. The first time, if memory
serves, it was the Nero and we nearly sunk her. Even after two tries on
the Caesar, we still couldn't sink her. ;D
The Concord really is a bit of clutz, isn't she? :D
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Nero "encounter": http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3337.msg113055;topicseen#msg113055
"In
going alongside collier, struck her slightly at 6:58, with port bow and
secured alongside. Shortly afterwards her Captain reported his ship
leaking and in danger of sinking."
Later that day Nero caught fire...
I am wondering if the crew is having a bad effect on the ship or if the ship is having a bad effect on the crew.
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One has to wonder! One day when I have time, I should look up her
horoscope for the day she was commissioned. That may shed some light on
it. :D
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;D
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Commissioned 14 February, 1891.
Horoscope
IF
YOU ARE BORN ON FEBRUARY 14, you are intellectual but friendly. This
February birthday zodiac sign is Aquarius. You are attractive and have a
sense of style. You can be humorous although your wit is dry.
Aquarians
with a 14th February birthdate are reasonable but idealistic. Frankly,
you are hard to figure out. You can change your mind without blinking
however, you consider others. What you seek to find is the truth and
occasionally, you are misinformed. You are the first to apologize,
nonetheless.
You may find that this Aquarius personality is an
extrovert with introvert tendencies. This February 14 born can spend a
lot of time by themselves. On that same note, you do not give of
yourself easily on an intimate level but have many social friends.
As
your birthday horoscope predicts when scorned, you will back away and
become detached from everyone around you. This could be a threat to your
relationships that you hold dear. Aquarius, you can become passive,
rude and secretive.
What is worse is your capacity to have temper
tantrums that could result in violence. This is not one of your most
desirable birthday characteristics, Aquarius. What you should try to do
is be a little more accepting of others as they too have the right to be
who they are.
Being that emotionally upset can wreak havoc on
your health. The predisposition to be passive and to hold things in
could affect your heart or your health in other ways.
You are
progressive and unconventional. Your birthday astrology links you to
professional careers that will make changes in local politics or within
corporations. You are very detailed and creative.
Your serious
minded approach can make it difficult for people to approach you but
once they do, they find out a little something about themselves and you,
Aquarius.
You have the intelligence. You can solve any problem analytically.
You
like freelancing so you do not fall into that category of punching a
time clock. Aquarius, you must have discipline to complete the task at
hand in order to receive that paycheck.
In conclusion, Aquarius
February 14 birthdays, you are intelligent enough to put together some
incredible ideas and bring them to fruition. You are humorous and have
your own unique style. Sometimes, you can be passive aggressive.
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Her wit is about the only thing about her that's dry :D
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04 Oct 1908
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- At anchor off Cavite, P.I.
Third one this year for us... They
had a Force 9 wind at 6 PM
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_189_0.jpg)
Meridian to 4 P.M.
Overcast and cloudy with rain and severe passing squalls.
Typhoon
signal #5 hoisted at signal station Cavite, of typhoon passing or will
pass a short distance to Northward. Boiler "A" disconnected. Connected
up boiler "D" at 2:30. Steam on steering engine at 1:00. At 2:00 Helena
dragged to a position astern of Cleveland. At 2:30 veered starboard
chain to 70 fathoms and let go port anchor, 15 fathoms of chain. At 2:00
three colliers stood from Manila and anchored. Ships of First fleet
shifted berths at 3:00.
They hove up their port anchor at 9 P.M. and hove in their starboard anchor to 30 fathoms, which is saying it was all over.
The
next day she gave new bearings at her anchorage, having been dragged
during the typhoon. No idea how far that was, none of the various towers
and water tanks are in existence.
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The
next day she gave new bearings at her anchorage, having been dragged
during the typhoon. No idea how far that was, none of the various towers
and water tanks are in existence.
Sounds like good planning and preparation for it. Glad they all came thru OK. :)
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Another day, another typhoon!
08 Oct 1908
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- At anchor in Manila Bay, P.I.
4 to 8 P.M.
At 4:30 got
underway in obedience to wireless signal and stood into Cavite. Anchored
at 545 in no. 5 berth, secured main engines. At 620 U.S.S. Wilmington
anchored, at 650 U.S.S. Cleveland and U.S.S. Denver anchored.
8 P.M. to Midnight
Overcast
and warm. Moderate to fresh S.W. breezes, Barometer falling rapidly. At
850 no. 2 typhoon signal hoisted. At 945 U.S.S. Helena anchored.
I
hunted around for the information about typhoon signals, but I get only
the modern ones that don't correspond to those in the "old" days. There
is a brief note about Hong Kong typhoon signals, but they don't match
the conditions of the previous No. 5 Typhoon signal.
The US
Atlantic Fleet is in town as well as our US Pacific Fleet. I have
probably noted close to 20 USS ships in harbor in the last couple of
days. You can image them all dragging anchors etc, although, so far,
nothing untoward has been reported. The Force 9 from a couple of days
back was the highest wind I've noted up to 15 October.
It's
interesting, to me at least, that a few years back Concord noted
shipping a wireless receiver to her flag ship. I think they needed a
couple of boats to move it. Now they're getting wireless signals telling
them, I assume, to get off the target range and back into harbor.
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I've solved the mystery of the typhoon signals, and while there have
been *some* changes to the signals over the years, it's still possible
to extrapolate what their meaning would have been, as the only
significant change was in 1973, when signals 5 through 8 were
incorporated into a single number with a directional indicator, rather
than individual numbers representing similar force winds coming from
different directions (the general public is more concerned about wind
speed than direction).
The old meanings, from what I've managed to dig up, work out like this.
Signal 1: A typhoon has entered to within 800km of the area (it could also signify strong winds in deep water nearby).
Signal 2: A typhoon has entered to within 300km of the area (could also signify strong winds in coastal areas).
Signal 3: Strong winds (equivalent to Beaufort Force 6 or 7) are imminent or currently occurring in the area.
Signal 4: Gale force winds (Beafort Force 7 or 8) are expected or currently occurring in the area.
Signal
5-8: Gale or Tropical Storm (Force 8-10) expected or currently
occurring in the area from x direction. Unfortunately, I'm not able to
determine which quadrant was assigned to which number, but I'd wager
that with the winds being recorded as SW'ly and a Signal 5 having gone
up, that Signal 5 would be a Storm Warning from the SW. I'll come back
to this one in a bit.
Signal 9: Increasing Gale or Tropical Storm
(Force 10-11): Sustained winds at these speeds make direction largely
irrelevant, and the focus shifts from damage mitigation to really just
riding the storm out and hoping for the best.
10: Hurricane (Force 12) Don't think this needs to really be explained, does it? It's a hurricane, and it's here.
Alright,
so I mentioned the confusion about the 5-8 signals. This was largely
due to the fact that the system was developed jointly by Hong Kong and
Japan, but each locality used different directional indicators for the
5-8 signals. I can't find any information regarding what the Filipino
signals were originally, and they don't use the system anymore, so other
than the hint of the Signal 5 being for a SW'ly storm system, I
wouldn't even begin to guess as to what the other three were (although
there's a 33% chance of being right on any individual guess, so there's
that I suppose).
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Wow! I another encyclopaedic clearing of the mist of un-knowing, Hatterjack :D
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14 Oct 1908
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- At anchor on target range, Manila Bay, P.I.
A good reason to follow the rules:
Moss,
L. (Y. 3C) & Lyons, J.A. (G. M. 3C), returned on board ship having
been detained in Naval Prison, Cavite for breaking quarantine and going
to San Roque, making it necessary to place them under observation for
evidence of cholera infection. ;D
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Glad I am AWOL for a short while, possible Cholera and definite seasickness (from me), yuck.
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19 Oct 1908
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- At anchor off target range, Manila Bay
I can't say if this is good or not! :-\
Finished spotting practice, making 5 hits out of 12 shots.
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Stuart and I are heading for mid-November, 1908. Less than one year of Concord time left. :) :) :) :) :)
Her last day is 04 November, 1909. :-\ if it's :) or :'(
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There are always some things that are most interesting. On 04 Nov
1908 the Concord, at Cavite in the Philippines, reported that the USS
Relief (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Relief_%281896%29) stood out.
What an interesting history that ship had.
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10 November 1908
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- At anchor off Cavite, P.I.
Here's an interesting one:
At
6:30 Laraby, J. (F. 1C), returned on board under guard of C.M.A.A. from
the San Lazaro hospital, Manila, 91 1/2 hours overtime; by order of
Comdg. Officer, he was isolated in sailing launch astern.
He's the second person in two days to be isolated. (However, there was no mention of how the first man was isolated.)
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Why was he isolated?
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Why was he isolated?
I don't know. We may find out as I work my way through the log books.
Back on 14 October, we were worried about cholera.
Moss,
L. (Y. 3C) & Lyons, J.A. (G. M. 3C), returned on board ship having
been detained in Naval Prison, Cavite for breaking quarantine and going
to San Roque, making it necessary to place them under observation for
evidence of cholera infection.
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Friday, 13 November 1908
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At anchor off Cavite, P.I.
At 320 by order of the Comdg Officer, released Thomas, J.L. (C.P.), from confinement in sailing launch astern.
I guess we'll never know why he was isolated in the sailing launch. But, Friday the 13th was his lucky day. ;D
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Happy Birthday for the 10th Michael.
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Happy Birthday for the 10th Michael.
:)
Thank you. Are my presents in the mail? (That's the excuse my daughter gave me. ;D)
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Sunday, 15 November 1908
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At anchor off Cavite, P.I.
And the other person who was isolated...
By order of Comdg. Officer, Laraby, J. (F. 1c), was released from quarantine.
Still no idea why, but my uninformed guess is cholera.
I
have the following at least four times in the last two weeks of Concord
time. Sometimes the "Y' in Manila and sometimes the Naval YMCA in
Cavite. J. Laraby was a couple of days overleave and he did not have
such a certificate and he was isolated at the time, about three or four
days ago.
At
820 Anderson, B.W. (C.P.), returned on board 9 1/2 hours overleave with
a certificate from the Manila Y.M.C.A. that he had slept there.
People
with such certificates have not been isolated. In fact, both Laraby and
Thomas are being tried by SCM for violating Squadron special order
number three by not staying at the YMCA when overnight in Manila. We
have been sending a person or two to the US Naval Hospital every day or
so as well.
And on the same day, we see USS Relief leaving only
to be very badly damaged by a typhoon on Nov 18/19. Incidentally,
yesterday, Concord said there were signs of a distant typhoon.
At 9:07 U.S.S. Relief got underway and stood out of the harbor.
From Wikipedia:
Returning
to Cavite, the hospital ship was subsequently found to be unseaworthy
by an official survey and became a stationary, floating hospital and
dispensary. Relief continued in service as a floating hospital at
Olongapo, Philippines, through World War I, although decommissioned 10
June 1910.
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Happy Birthday for the 10th Michael.
:)
Thank you. Are my presents in the mail? (That's the excuse my daughter gave me. ;D)
Cheque is in the mail. :-*
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Happy Birthday for the 10th Michael.
:)
Thank you. Are my presents in the mail? (That's the excuse my daughter gave me. ;D)
Cheque is in the mail. :-*
$CAN, $AUS or $US? It makes a big difference. ;)
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Sunday, 06 December 1908
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_258_1.jpg).
At anchor, Cavite, P.I.
Another day, another typhoon. The
previous evening, Typhoon Signal #1 was replaced by Typhoon Signal #3.
Judging by the weather, I would say this one passed not far to the south
of Manila.
At
8:00 wind freshened to strong gale and at 8:20 ship began to drag
anchor, when let go port anchor and veered both chains to 35 fathoms
starboard chain and 45 fathoms port chain. At 9:30 started fires under
boiler "B". Moved engines under boiler "A" alternately to take strain
off chains and to prevent fouling "Rainbow's" chain when swinging. At
11:12 got underway and shifted to former berth under boiler "A" on
various courses, the Commanding officer and Navigator conning. At 11:30
anchored in 4 1/2 fathoms water with 90 fathoms starboard chain and 45
fathoms port chain on bearings as follows: - Shear legs S.W. (p.s.c.),
Sangley Pt. Lt. W. 3/4N (p.s.c.)
This puts her new anchorage pretty close to Lat: 14.4953 Long: 14.4953.
For
those like me who are weather freaks, you can see
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol038of040/vol038of040_258_0.jpg)
the winds picking up from the NW and then shifting to NE as the typhoon
passes to the south of them, heading west. The highest speed was a
Force 8.
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10 Jan 1909
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Moored off Guam, M. I.
I found it interesting. First they listed
who was to blame, then they listed the lost oarlocks and finally that
the three men were OK. ;) This is the second time in a week
they've capsized a boat.
Dinghy
capsized with three men Harrison L. J. (Cox) in charge, three oar locks
lost, men were picked up by crew in ship's Whaleboat.
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10
Jan 1909
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol039of040/vol039of040_031_1.jpg)
Moored off Guam, M. I.
I found it interesting. First they listed
who was to blame, then they listed the lost oarlocks and finally that
the three men were OK. ;) This is the second time in a week
they've capsized a boat.
Dinghy
capsized with three men Harrison L. J. (Cox) in charge, three oar locks
lost, men were picked up by crew in ship's Whaleboat.
One of the ship's PTB is more than a bit unhappy with the crew.
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19 Jan 1909 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol039of040/vol039of040_040_0.jpg)
It
appears that our trusty scribe has written neglected to enter the PM
Dry Bulb Temperatures and written the Wet Bulb Temperatures in the Dry
Bulb column. I entered them as they were entered even though my instinct
tells me they are WRONG! ;)
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19 Jan 1909 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol039of040/vol039of040_040_0.jpg)
It
appears that our trusty scribe has written neglected to enter the PM
Dry Bulb Temperatures and written the Wet Bulb Temperatures in the Dry
Bulb column. I entered them as they were entered even though my instinct
tells me they are WRONG! ;)
The Trials and Tribulations of TWYS. ;D
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Update on desertions and punishments etc.
Last desertion 14 Sept 1908 at Chefoo P.I.
Just
about no punishments since we hit Guam M.I. on 2 Jan 1909 (now 7 Apr
1909). Seems there must not be much to do in Guam to keep the crew
ashore.
Finally seem like we have a good crew :) , pity as we are de-commissioned (yet again) in Nov 1909. :(
No
idea why we were re-commissioned this time as this has been a very
boring stint so far. Maybe the Navy had to many sailors and needed
somewhere to store them.
We spend 9 months sitting at No2 buoy Guam, then make our way back to Bremerton for final de-commissioning ???. ;D
Good news is that between Michael and I we only have a max of 5000 wr lines to go. :)
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This is a new one!
20 April 1909
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol039of040/vol039of040_134_1.jpg)
- Moored to Buoy #2, Guam, M.I.
Lieut. Comdr. Frank. H. Schofield, U.S.N. engaged in physical test on shore - bicycle.
;D
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She's in the End Zone now - home page shows 100% complete, but there are still logs to transcribe.
Keep it up, guys!
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She's in the End Zone now - home page shows 100% complete, but there are still logs to transcribe.
Keep it up, guys!
I
did 20 May 1909 this morning: just over five months left. The C.O. has
me scraping and painting the galley now, so maybe some more OW on Sat or
Sunday. Was doing the berth deck the two previous days. One more day in
the galley if I can get away with one coat of paint. ;)
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Good luck mapurves! Have you offered to holystone the boards at all?
Dress the ship to celebrate Candlemas? I'll try to think of a few
more helpful tasks for you ;D
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Good
luck mapurves! Have you offered to holystone the boards at all? Dress
the ship to celebrate Candlemas? I'll try to think of a few more
helpful tasks for you ;D
Thank you for the suggestions. I'll pass them along to the C.O. for further consideration. ;)
Sadly,
the galley will need two coats of paint... and I haven't even finished
with the first coat yet. Very slow going... :'(
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I'd send you a spray gun and compressor but I'm back in 1892 at the moment. Just hang on a bit, Michael.
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I'd send you a spray gun and compressor but I'm back in 1892 at the moment. Just hang on a bit, Michael.
I'll
try. I haven't quite figured out what a spray gun would be like to
operate in a kitchen, but it looks like I have lots of time! ;D
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Sunday, September 9th, 1906 - At Sea, enroute to Canton from Chefoo, China.
Our boys run into a typhoon...
4 to 8 AM.
Overcast,
cloudy with passing showers with heavy wind. Moderate breezes to whole
gale from NbyE to ENE. Barometer falling. Heavy sea from South during
early part of watch. Steaming on course S 51oW (p.s.c.) under boilers
"A" "B" "C" and "D" until at 6:55 when hove to on N51oE (psc) pl 41.3.
At 730 went ahead slow speed and changed course to N.56E. (psc) Secured
everything about deck.
8 A.M. to Meridian
Overcast, with
driving rain. Fresh to whole gale form ESE to SSE. The wind hauling to
the Southward. Lying to headed into the wind making about 50 revs. but
using engines to keep headed into the wind. Last hour slowed down to 40
turns.
Meridian to 4 P.M.
Overcast and cloudy with heavy rain.
Strong gale to hurricane from S.E.byE, SbyE, South and S1/4W. Barometer
steady. Hove to at slow speed 40 revs under boilers, "A" "B" "C" and
"D" using engines to keep head into wind.
4 to 6 P.M.
Overcast
and cloudy with heavy rain squalls. Fresh to whole gale from S by W to S
by E. Barometer rising. Hove to, slow speed both engines under boilers
"A" "B" "C" and "D", using engines to keep head to wind. Took soundings
at 530,- 32 fathoms, fine sand.
6 to 8 P.M.
Overcast and light
rain squalls. Fresh to strong gale from S.W. and S.S.W. Barometer
steady. Steaming on course S by W1/4W (psc) under boilers "A" "B" "C"
and "D". At 730 changed course to S.S.W (psc). At 740, c.c. to S.WbyS
(psc). At 745 c.c. to S.W. (psc) At 750 c.c. to S.W1/2W. (psc) Increased
revolutions from 40 to 60.
Noon position: 23 59 15N 118 36 00E
Weather report: 3 PM | South | 10-12 | 29.50 | 80 | 76 | 76 | ocr | Nim | 10
This
is one of the pages we can't "see" when transcribing because the last
four months of the logbooks, though scanned, don't show up when we're
transcribing. Thanks to Randi for finding this link
(https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919185/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-024/581208-noaa/concord/vol035/24-118-concord-vol035of040_247.jpg)
to them.
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Monday, September 17th, 1906 - At anchor off Canton China.
The
American Consul-General Berkholtz, several civilians and ten Chinese
came aboard as witnesses in an investigation against G. A. Walberg,
(oil), alleging that he threw a small Chinese boy in the canal. The
Com'd'g Officer decided to try the accused by a S.C.M. By order of the
Comd'g' Officer G.A. Walberg (oil) was placed in confinement in double
irons for 10 days for being drunk and disorderly on shore and creating a
disturbance in the Canton Club between the hours of 7 and 8 P.M. on
Sep't 16, 1906.
The SCM found him guilty of being drunk,
creating a disturbance in the Canton Club and causing a small Chinese
boy to fall in the canal, and fined him the loss of two months' pay
(mitigated to one month's pay) and 30 days solitary confinement in
double irons on bread and water (full rations every third day).
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Michael,
Are you doing the WRs from the missing pages?
I have never seen them.
Stuart
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Michael,
Are you doing the WRs from the missing pages?
I have never seen them.
Stuart
You can't. They're not in the system. I'm just reading the pages for updates on the crew lists. Got lots of new names.
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Michael,
Are you doing the WRs from the missing pages?
I have never seen them.
Stuart
You can't. They're not in the system. I'm just reading the pages for updates on the crew lists. Got lots of new names.
aah, gee thanks, more typing. :o
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LAST Concord log book started. :'( :'( :'(
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Why the tears, Stuart? I was all :D when I got there - and even more so when I finished it!
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It's been part of my life from her maiden voyage and now she is being de-commissioned for the last time. :(
Captain for all that time except for a few weeks when Craig jumped in as Captain. >:(
Soon I will have to learn the new (slightly old now) interface. :o
Just joking.
:) :) :) :) :)
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:'( :'( :'( Stuart - you will be bereft without your lovely
Concord. All that chasing your crew fun, all those
bread-and-water-double-leg-irons, it's going to be a quiet life
(http://i.imgur.com/S4jfZna.png?1)
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Bit of movement looking around the ship.
Unable to find a crew member. (at sea)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol040of040/vol040of040_032_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol040of040/vol040of040_032_1.jpg)
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well if he pitched over the side and they kept going at 'full speed'
those look-outs are going to get sore eyes and no luck. Let's hope he
found the best hidey-hole on that ship :(
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Concord 24 Sep 1909, 8PM - Mid.
At 10:12 a large number of
meteors from a point near the moon traversed the entire sky in an
Eastern direction, breaking into several fragments. Some remained
visible for about a minute. All traversed exactly the same path, the
brightest being equal in brightness to Mars.
(also posted in Natural phenomena)
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Seems like somebody else finished off the Concord logs for Nov 1909. (the last 4 pages)
I am a bit sad about that as I entered the first pages and crew, it would have been nice to farewell them. :'(
I have just logged on and got one mop up page from the past.
NOW we have finished. :)
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Wasn't me! :o
Seems like somebody else finished off the Concord logs for Nov 1909. (the last 4 pages)
NOW we have finished. :)
Quite an achievement, congrats! 8)
Have a short rest and come on over to the Jamestown 1844... ;)
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Thanks Bob.
May look at the Jamestown after I finish with my trains today.
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The Concord really is finished - I just hit "Transcribe logs" and it
took me to a different ship instead of saying "We're sorry, but
something went wrong".
Congratulations to us all!
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I'll notify the PTB!
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Well done everyone!
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Very WOW! Such an achievement!
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04 Nov 1909
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Concord/vol040of040/vol040of040_087_1.jpg)
- Puget Sound Naval Yard, Washington.
At 2:00 the Board of
Inspection, of which Captain Cottman, U.S.N., Captain of the Puget Sound
Navy Yard, was senior member, came aboard and inspected the ship. At
2:59 mustered all the divisions aft and this ship was formally placed
out of commission and received from the Commanding Officer by the
Captain of the Yard.
| Commission | From | To | Officers | Crew |
| 1 | 14 Feb 1891 | 27 May 1896 | 77 | 756 |
| 2 | 22 May 1897 | 26 Feb 1902 | 58 | 760 |
| 3 | 15 Jun 1903 | 26 Aug 1904 | 24 | 359 |
| 4 | 16 Sep 1905 | 04 Nov 1909 | 45 | 757 |
| Total | | | 204 | 2632 |
532
people worked on the Concord, and together they entered approximately
396,000 WRs and the corresponding events contained in 13,140 pages.
Captain
Pommy Stuart guided us skilfully through one naval battle with the
Spanish Fleet in Manila Bay, and several battles against insurgents in
the Philippines, and a police action in Panama.
Time for a cup of grog! :)
One of these days if I am in Seattle, I will post a photo of two of her guns which are mounted in a park in the City of Seattle.
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Congratulations, Concorders! ;D
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;)
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Epic - a truly epic job. Well done to all of the Concord crew. It's a
super result to finish off one of these enormous sets of logs.
(http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww173/prestonjjrtr/Smileys/bravosmiley.gif)
You all deserve a holiday...tick, tock, tick, tock, tick...right that's long enough..what next eh? ;) ;) :D
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You all deserve a holiday...tick, tock, tick, tock, tick...right that's long enough..what next eh? ;) ;) :D
Vicksburg for me.
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It's certainly very pretty :D
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You all deserve a holiday...tick, tock, tick, tock, tick...right that's long enough..what next eh? ;) ;) :D
Yorktown for me. Sister ship and all. I hanker after shooting up Manila again. ;)
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Michael we have already seen the Yorktown when we were in Manila.
Not sure it will be there again. ::)
Last voyage of the Concord link. (https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=z0ny5b10pkXU.kD-KjFM3cxLU&usp=sharing)
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Vicksburg for me.
Just wanted to mention that I'm working on her too, and there's only 1 stream left.
What time do you usually transcribe, Stuart? Don't want any collisions.
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Through your night.
Often its 07:00 to 17:00 my time.
8PM to 6AM yours. Sometimes a few hrs later.
Should work well. ;)
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Hold on - I live in UTC + 1, you live in UTC + 10.
That means you are 9 hours ahead of me.
So 7:00 to 17:00 your time would be 22:00 to 8:00 my time.
How about this: I will do the Vicksburg from 9:00 to 22:00 my time - after that, she's all yours.
Does that sound like a fair deal to you?
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Forgot you were +1 utc.
We are currently +11
08:00 start, thats Gentlemans hours, I can live with that. ;)
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Oh - there's Daylight Savings Time as well! Right.
So 7:00 to 17:00 your time is really 21:00 to 7:00 my time.
Alright, one last check:
My hours are 8:00 to 22:00 German time, which is 18:00 - 8:00 your time.
Your hours are 8:00 - 18:00 your time, which is 22:00 - 8:00 my time.
Sounds good to me!
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I say chaps - what a tour de force of organization :D
Good on'ya ;D
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Congrats all. This was the first ship I started with when "classic" was the new format :)
Seemed to me back then that it sat in New York harbor forever, and now I see I "only" did 3000 entries total.
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... and now I see I "only" did 3000 entries total.
It
never ceases to amaze me that you are all so dedicated to OW that a
total of 3,000 can seem small. Take some hero points Zovacor - in fact
take some hero points everyone :D
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U.S.S. Yorktown - At anchor off Kabalitian Island, Philippines.
03-01-1901 - 4 to 8 A.M.:
Lieut
Comdr Scott went ashore at 5:00 with carpenters gang to fix up grave of
an apprentice who was buried on Kabalitian Id by the U.S.S. Concord.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Yorktown/vol023of040/vol023of040_026_1.jpg
(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Yorktown/vol023of040/vol023of040_026_1.jpg)
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The summary of the events surrounding the death of Magnus M. Nelsson
(App 2c) can be found here
(http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3377.msg101090#msg101090).
Thanks to the crew of Yorktown for their care.
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While touring the lovely little museum in Astoria, Oregon, we saw this:
(http://i.imgur.com/3uOiCoi.jpg?1)
and these:
(http://i.imgur.com/7MM2NHS.jpg)
Had we returned via Seattle, we could have seen one of her gun turrets. One of these days...
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Nice find Michael.
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Nice find Michael.
I hope your trip is going as well as ours did... (except for the day when it was 42C or 108F) ;)
Nice to hear from you.
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Had we returned via Seattle, we could have seen one of her gun turrets. One of these days...
Where
in Seattle are her gun turrets? I'll be going there pretty soon, and
it'll be a short visit, but maybe I can take a look and a photo or
two...
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Here's link from 2013, with pictures...
http://thesunbreak.com/2013/06/08/7-odd-things-to-see-in-seattle-parks-north-end-edition/
"Close
by are two, 6.5-inch guns purportedly off of the U.S.S. Concord, a ship
which also served in the Spanish-American War. It?s hard to tell
because there are no plaques or labels on the guns or anywhere close by.
The Concord was retired in 1909 and broken down in Bremerton. And the
guns seem to have been moved to the present location in 1915, a gift
from Spanish-American Veterans."
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Had we returned via Seattle, we could have seen one of her gun turrets. One of these days...
Where
in Seattle are her gun turrets? I'll be going there pretty soon, and
it'll be a short visit, but maybe I can take a look and a photo or
two...
8)
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Thanks for the info, Bob. I took notes of the location.
Unfortunately,
I have no idea if I will be able to visit it, as I will only be in
Seattle for a day and a half, and I will be travelling with family who
might want to do other things (or just recover from jetlag).
I'll see what happens.