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Title: Chat - 2019
Post by: jil on 01 January 2019, 02:37:48
Happy New Year!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: studentforever on 01 January 2019, 04:11:21
Happy New Year & best wishes for 2019
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Post by: Pommy Stuart on 01 January 2019, 04:19:36
Nice find Kevin.
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Post by: Hanibal94 on 01 January 2019, 05:47:15
Gott nyt ar!
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Post by: AvastMH on 01 January 2019, 10:30:02
An interesting story about a note in a bottle (from 1981):
https://www.nytimes.com/1981/04/06/world/letter-in-bottle-recalls-lost-chapter-in-arctic-exploration.html

Great article Kevin - I quoted it in the Rodgers Discussion page  :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: jil on 03 January 2019, 04:32:06
Weddell Sea Expedition 2019 (https://weddellseaexpedition.org/) - investigating the state of ice shelves and searching for Shackleton's Endurance
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Maikel on 03 January 2019, 10:17:00
MSC Zoe: Islands hit as 270 containers fall off ship (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46746312)

Extensive debris has washed up on islands off the Dutch north coast after some 270 containers including chemicals fell off a cargo ship in a storm.

Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 03 January 2019, 10:28:41
 :( :( :(

What a mess!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 03 January 2019, 11:38:20
Weddell Sea Expedition 2019 (https://weddellseaexpedition.org/) - investigating the state of ice shelves and searching for Shackleton's Endurance
8) 8) 8)


MSC Zoe: Islands hit as 270 containers fall off ship (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46746312)

Extensive debris has washed up on islands off the Dutch north coast after some 270 containers including chemicals fell off a cargo ship in a storm.
:'( :'( :'(
Including https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_peroxide#Safety
They mention light bulbs too. Shattered light bulbs on beaches don't sound all that wonderful.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 03 January 2019, 14:14:26
I don't understand how freighters get away with dropping container contents into every sea.  :(  :'(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 07 January 2019, 11:10:37
Found this interesting article about old operating systems on a Royal Navy survey ship (I was surprised to see they actually are managing it pretty well!):
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/09/royal_navy_old_os_at_sea/

And another about everyday life on the ship:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/01/02/hms_enterprise_embed_life_at_sea/
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 07 January 2019, 11:49:39
 :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 07 January 2019, 22:21:13
Found this interesting article about old operating systems on a Royal Navy survey ship (I was surprised to see they actually are managing it pretty well!):
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/09/royal_navy_old_os_at_sea/

And another about everyday life on the ship:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/01/02/hms_enterprise_embed_life_at_sea/

Thanks a lot, Hanibal!
I especially enjoyed the everyday life on the ship. A very different time from our ships, but still feeling rather familiar.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: studentforever on 08 January 2019, 02:04:14
Some bits in those articles chimed with info feom a now retired submariner who I knew while he was based at Faslane. Some of the hardware tends to be a bit outdated as well since a lot of the new chips are very radiation sensitive and they haven't produced 'hardened' versions of the new chips. However, for the Navy at least, reliability trumps speed and novelty every time. Apparently subs too use Morse with overflying planes to pass on super secret info. Difficult to intercept and less likely to reveal a subs position, although with the impoved satellite coverage this may no longer be true.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 09 January 2019, 10:34:32
Belated
Happy Birthday
Kathy !


(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DnLL0gGRPYI/ToTTT4J8-NI/AAAAAAAAAL0/vP-MUDMEe9U/s1600/01cowboys.JPG)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Caro on 10 January 2019, 11:53:33
I believe it's mapurves' birthday! :o :)

Happy birthday Michael
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 10 January 2019, 12:54:27
Thank you, Caro. I believe you are correct.  :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Dean on 10 January 2019, 16:35:18
Michael::

(https://i.imgur.com/HXKEJUZ.jpg).  (https://i.imgur.com/kURjQ7T.jpg).  (https://i.imgur.com/aVXZ1jZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 10 January 2019, 16:46:13

Happy Birthday
to
Michael

(http://whitleycakes.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/cat-birthday-cake.jpg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 10 January 2019, 17:53:14
Thank you your kind wishes. I'm not 30 in cat years, though.  :) And, to be honest, I'm glad I'm no longer 30 in human years.  ;D ;D ;D

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There?s no reliable scientific way to calculate the relationship between human and cat years, but it?s generally agreed that the first two years of a cat?s life are roughly equal to the first 25 of a human?s, and after this, each additional year is around four ?cat years?. This means if your cat is six years old, their equivalent cat age in human years will be around 41.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 10 January 2019, 18:26:57
A very happy birthday to you Michael - and many more!!
;D ;D ;D
I read Dean's message and saw the wisdom of it. So this here's a cake with 100 candles
Of course you may not need all of these yet
  ;) ;) ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/Gbt9RWt.png)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: jil on 10 January 2019, 18:32:29
Happy Birthday, Michael!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 10 January 2019, 18:43:28
 :) :) :)

I won't light all those candles until I replace our smoke detector, which expired earlier in the week.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 11 January 2019, 00:24:20
Michael.
Some light relief after your momentous day.

(Others are allowed to enjoy the slides also)

https://imgur.com/a/LNvMoAQ (https://imgur.com/a/LNvMoAQ)

Stuart
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hurlock on 11 January 2019, 01:11:21
Happy Birthday
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 11 January 2019, 10:12:42
My momentous day involved catching a bad cold I managed to avoid for two months. This one came from California, via our two year old grandson.  ::)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Helen J on 11 January 2019, 10:13:56
Belated birthday greetings - and I hope the cold goes soon.  Foreign ones are always the worst!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 11 January 2019, 10:20:32
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 11 January 2019, 11:27:44
Colds are miserable! :(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 11 January 2019, 14:22:56
Yesterday afternoon at my place boom crash opera.

https://imgur.com/a/tnw8vl8 (https://imgur.com/a/tnw8vl8)

Only 11mm recorded but that was over only a 3 hrs period.
5 hr blackout (better than predicted 7 hr.)

16-33c today no rain

Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 11 January 2019, 15:01:33
Colds are miserable! :(

Get well soon  :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 11 January 2019, 16:08:01
Yesterday afternoon at my place boom crash opera.

https://imgur.com/a/tnw8vl8 (https://imgur.com/a/tnw8vl8)

Only 11mm recorded but that was over only a 3 hrs period.
5 hr blackout (better than predicted 7 hr.)

16-33c today no rain

That's just a damp day if you live in Vancouver.  ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 11 January 2019, 16:58:46

Yesterday afternoon at my place boom crash opera.

https://imgur.com/a/tnw8vl8 (https://imgur.com/a/tnw8vl8)

Only 11mm recorded but that was over only a 3 hrs period.
5 hr blackout (better than predicted 7 hr.)

16-33c today no rain

 :o :o :o  No need to water the hanging plants then  ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 12 January 2019, 01:25:43
I do  feel for the people who lose their houses to heavy rain.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Maikel on 12 January 2019, 14:09:27
Earth's magnetic field is acting up and geologists don't know why (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-00007-1)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 12 January 2019, 14:47:39
No wonder I have trouble finding my way home.   ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 12 January 2019, 17:02:40
No wonder I have trouble finding my way home.   ;D

Buy a new house in Siberia Stuart -  simple!  ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 12 January 2019, 17:22:16
Good idea. Then I only have to head North from where ever I am.   ::)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 13 January 2019, 16:27:27
Good idea. Then I only have to head North from where ever I am.   ::)

Beats Satnav if you ask me  ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 13 January 2019, 18:36:49
I am actually looking at a house in a retirement village further north from my place.
I will have to check if it is still where I last looked.    :o ::) ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 13 January 2019, 19:07:41
I am actually looking at a house in a retirement village further north from my place.
I will have to check if it is still where I last looked.    :o ::) ;D

Will it be close to Yattalunga?  ;)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 14 January 2019, 00:01:17
As of today, 1 hr North of Yattalunga.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 14 January 2019, 11:10:11
As of today, 1 hr North of Yattalunga.

Yay! I'll be able to pop in for a visit.  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: leelaht on 14 January 2019, 19:57:10
Earth's magnetic field is acting up and geologists don't know why (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-00007-1)

In my college geology class (back when the north pole was still in Canada), I learned about the poles flipping, and that we're overdue.  I was excited that it might happen in my lifetime.  But since then I've read the process takes 1000s of years.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 14 January 2019, 21:54:13
It sounds like you're giving up.  ;)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 15 January 2019, 14:40:01
For those not enjoying to cool, come downunder.

Temperature records have been broken in Port Augusta and Tarcoola as South Australia suffers through an extreme heatwave.

South Australia on a "code red" alert due to heatwave conditions
Temperature records broken in northern towns
Bats are falling out of trees in Adelaide due to heat prompting warning
The Bureau of Meteorology said Tarcoola, in the state's north-west, reached 49 degrees Celsius at 3:20pm, its hottest temperature since records began in 1903.

Port Augusta ? a much larger town ? also broke its record with a top of 48.9C at 2:31pm.

The top temperature ever recorded in Australia was 50.7C in Oodnadatta in January 1960
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 15 January 2019, 20:05:10
(https://ii1.pepperfry.com/media/catalog/product/h/i/494x544/hitplay-360-ml-frosty-beer-mug-hitplay-360-ml-frosty-beer-mug-t5yqre.jpg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 15 January 2019, 20:07:02
Given the choice between +49 and -49, I choose the latter with no hesitation.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 15 January 2019, 20:57:50
Given the choice between +49 and -49, I choose the latter with slight hesitation.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 15 January 2019, 23:40:07
Ditto.
Was going to have a cool beer when I got back from work, now have to go back up to Sydney.
Beer on hold.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 16 January 2019, 12:20:01
The trick for being outside when it's -49, and I have been, is to dress properly. Starting from the bottom, and working up, I wore:

I had three parkas, one for temps 0 -> -10; one for -10 -> -25 and the heavy one for -25 and colder. It was unwearable at temperatures above -25, because you would really overheat.

There were three drawbacks to being so comfortable:

Winter was my favourite time in the north, and I walked home each day after work, which was about three kilometers. I took the bus in the mornings. It was much better than trying to drive.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 16 January 2019, 14:44:22
The trick for being outside when it's -49, and I have been, is to dress properly. Starting from the bottom, and working up, I wore:
heavy wool socks over a lighter pair;    :o

You wear socks on your bottom, really Michael.   ::) ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 16 January 2019, 17:39:31
Fine! Starting at the feet and working up...  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 17 January 2019, 13:32:02
My stepmom has some outfits made of reindeer fur, for when she does field trips to Siberia.
She told me that when not in use, they need to be kept refrigerated or they will rot.

Did any of your clothing require special preservation like that, Michael?
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 17 January 2019, 14:07:59
Interesting!

Parka and pants? Boots?
What kind of temperatures does she have to deal with?
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 17 January 2019, 14:12:04
No, they were all modern adaptations of traditional designs. By modern, I mean rubber, polypropylene, cotton, wool, nylon etc. Good gear can be expensive, and expensive gear is not necessarily good. You really have to consider what you're doing when you're using your gear. My mitts were unsuitable for working with your hands, and my parka was unsuitable for any jobs that required a decent field of view. However, my gear was perfect for walking around outside, or doing something like dog-sledding. I think my parka was $700 or $900 twenty years ago. I left it in the north with a charitable group, not having any use for it here. They needed it for visitors who came up north in the dead of winter. I'm not sure it would be of much use anymore, it being quite unusual to have temperatures less than -25 in the Yukon anymore.  :'(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 17 January 2019, 20:21:41
I'm somewhat surprised that I saw this (https://www.troyhunt.com/the-773-million-record-collection-1-data-reach/) before Hanibal.  :o

Here's the nub of the article:
   770,000,000 lines of data containing email addresses and passwords has been dumped on the internet. As you know, many web services want your email as a log in, and you make up some password. You might use me@hotmail.com with a password of OW99. In this data breach there may be a line that says:
me@hotmail.com and OW99.

So, have any of your email addresses shown up in this list?

You can find out by checking here (https://haveibeenpwned.com/).

Of four that we use, one of them did show up. It showed up twice, as a matter of fact. I use this email to log into 43 different websites, OW being one. Naturally.

However, I don't know what password goes with that email address, and the "good guys" won't say.

So, you can use this tool (https://haveibeenpwned.com/Passwords) to check your OW password. Mine is more sophisticated than OW99, but it isn't a string of 20 random characters, and when I checked my OW password this is what I got:

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Oh no ? pwned!
This password has been seen 9 times before

This still doesn't tell me if my OW password is linked to my email, but I will change it. I started using a password manager some time ago, but I haven't bothered to randomize all 136 logins that I have used at one time or another.

Perhaps someone like Hanibal has a really great password for OW. If it shows up in the password checker, then we can assume that the hackers got the email addresses and passwords from OW. If not, we can assume that OW did not have a breach.

Anyway, this seems to be the new reality. Sorry,
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 17 January 2019, 22:26:41
For me, so far so good (https://marketplace.canva.com/MACLvwPlktg/1/thumbnail_large/canva-scared-emoticon-emoji-MACLvwPlktg.png)



I only checked my email.
I was a little nervous about checking my passwords...
(even though I will be changing them :P)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 18 January 2019, 08:19:58
For me, so far so good (https://marketplace.canva.com/MACLvwPlktg/1/thumbnail_large/canva-scared-emoticon-emoji-MACLvwPlktg.png)



I only checked my email.
I was a little nervous about checking my passwords...
(even though I will be changing them :P)

Ditto me for gmail.  :D   However, unsurprisingly, 5 breaches and one paste for the BT address. Harrumphhh!  >:(  I'll be dealing with this one today!  ::)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 18 January 2019, 13:14:53
Interesting!

Parka and pants? Boots?
What kind of temperatures does she have to deal with?

I'll ask her next time I see her, which may be some time - she lives in Lyon, and doesn't come to Leipzig very often.

I'm somewhat surprised that I saw this (https://www.troyhunt.com/the-773-million-record-collection-1-data-reach/) before Hanibal.  :o

Perhaps someone like Hanibal has a really great password for OW. If it shows up in the password checker, then we can assume that the hackers got the email addresses and passwords from OW. If not, we can assume that OW did not have a breach.

I didn't see that article, but I have heard of the site, and used it before - although I didn't know about the password checking function! That's very nice.

Anyways: I checked, and my email address is safe. My OW password is OK too, as are a few others of mine.

I don't use a password manager, but I do have my own way of generating them:


I have memorized a total of 13 codes for this purpose, and I keep a little table so I can make sure each combo really is unique. That's enough for way more logins than I have.

And another trick for remembering PINs: Write down a math problem where the PIN is the solution, but it requires some other number that ONLY YOU know.
For example: Let's say the other number is four (the most cups of Gluehwein I have ever had at once), and the PIN is 3293 - in this case, I would write it down as "PIN = 3333 - 10 * Most G-wine cups at once".

So yeah, that's how I do it. Sounds a bit obsessive, but it works fine.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 18 January 2019, 13:56:38

So yeah, that's how I do it. Sounds a bit obsessive, but it works fine.

Can you even be a bit obsessive given the hackers around today though? They are so determined  :-\  >:( :(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 18 January 2019, 14:52:48
I do like your method. I only went to a password manager because if your browser autofills passwords for you, and why wouldn't you let it, a security flaw in your browser could make your passwords visible to a hacker. Not likely, but there you go. The password manager keeps everything encrypted and enters your login data automatically, and your browser doesn't have a copy.

That's very handy to know that OW wasn't hacked. I'll just keep my password as it is.

My bank passwords are written down, and neither my password manager nor my browsers know what they are.

Mind you, it's all well and good but if they want your data, they'll get it. I read that when Edward Snowden and Laura Palmer (?) were exchanging data they were using private keys with 8,000 random characters. I read that Snowden thought their exchanges would be uncrackable by the NSA for some number of years, but it wasn't all that small. Maybe ten or twenty, but I just don't remember exactly.

I just hope the mods don't institute 8,000 random character passwords for OW.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 18 January 2019, 15:18:39

I just hope the mods don't institute 8,000 random character passwords for OW.  ;D ;D ;D

I can be bribed to make sure that doesn't happen, but it's not cheap. A week of your pay here should just about do it  ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 18 January 2019, 15:32:10

I just hope the mods don't institute 8,000 random character passwords for OW.  ;D ;D ;D

I can be bribed to make sure that doesn't happen, but it's not cheap. A week of your pay here should just about do it  ;) ;) ;D

The cheque's in the mail. I wasn't sure if you wanted Euros or Pounds, so I put in one of each.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Kevin on 20 January 2019, 11:59:56
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/hemingways-world-war-i-savior-is-anonymous-no-more/2019/01/18/d3dbbb32-0ea0-11e9-831f-3aa2c2be4cbd_story.html?fbclid=IwAR2fktXaqcemsByWvapnej9u9tV0zHwoVG_ePLeSTJmHB_3a0n4mCW2jIgg&utm_term=.5183ae59492d
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Kevin on 20 January 2019, 12:04:00
Going back to the cold clothing discussion: when we were sailing in the Ross Sea in mid-winter we'd have to keep a heat gun in the deck shop to melt our frozen balaclavas off our faces. Frozen breath and snot-cicles.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 20 January 2019, 13:17:42
The things we do in the cold!  ;D

That was a nice article about the soldier who saved Hemmingway's life.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 20 January 2019, 13:31:10
Quote
Hemingway himself made no known attempt to learn anything of his accidental savior and even left him out of his highly autobiographical but fictional account of his wounding, "A Farewell to Arms."
That is a disgrace even if he was an accidental savior.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 20 January 2019, 14:26:13
Going back to the cold clothing discussion: when we were sailing in the Ross Sea in mid-winter we'd have to keep a heat gun in the deck shop to melt our frozen balaclavas off our faces. Frozen breath and snot-cicles.

Dog sledding in high Sweden in January I made the mistake of taking off my balaclava to eat and drink at the halfway stop.
It froze and I had to go the second half of the trip sans balaclava sitting behind the other sledder. I looked like Kenny from Southpark. It was about -24 to -26c.
A lesson was learned that day.   :-[
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 21 January 2019, 10:21:39
This morning Pittsburgh was 1F (17C)(-17C)!
Nowhere near a record, but cold enough for me ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 21 January 2019, 11:12:36
Minus 17C.  The only person I know who thinks 17C is cold is our daughter who lived in Saudi Arabia for five years.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 21 January 2019, 13:02:52
Oops! :-[ ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Caro on 21 January 2019, 15:00:40
Minus 17C.  The only person I know who thinks 17C is cold is our daughter who lived in Saudi Arabia for five years.  ;D ;D ;D

And my mother.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Dean on 22 January 2019, 07:49:01
Currently -1F (-18C) here in beautiful Niagara Falls, New York. Like PGH - no record, just chilly!

BTW - Since many of us have read Logs and 'Patent Logs' I thought this may be of some interest:

https://www.sailfeed.com/2019/01/my-walker-taffrail-log-designed-centuries-ago-and-still-working/

Blessings,  Dean
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 22 January 2019, 14:18:02
Hit -1C in Oxford and we had a good snow fall of some of the largest flakes I've ever seen. They coated a few pavements and looked decorous on the trees. Oxford panicked and headed home ready for the oncoming storm bringing 6ft of white stuff. By the time we got home it had stopped and the resulting coat of about 6mm that wasn't that worrying ;)

BTW - Since many of us have read Logs and 'Patent Logs' I thought this may be of some interest:
https://www.sailfeed.com/2019/01/my-walker-taffrail-log-designed-centuries-ago-and-still-working/

That was interesting Dean. had never thought of the importance of the log being black. I guess you'd soon paint it once a load of dolphins turned up to chase it down for a mistaken dinner?  ;) :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 22 January 2019, 15:26:08
Here's something interesting I found out: Russia once earned a piece of California!
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/when-russia-colonized-california-celebrating-200-years-of-fort-ross-880099/
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 22 January 2019, 15:55:55
 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 22 January 2019, 17:04:57
yep - it's a  8) 8) 8) from me too. Wonderful buildings  :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 22 January 2019, 22:35:09
Two great articles!
Thanks Dean and Hanibal ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Kevin on 24 January 2019, 13:38:40
https://www.georgiaarchives.org/online_exhibits/handwriting?fbclid=IwAR3iHV7cZxAtvfLrJn23SpMtcBM0L7mpL_4PUyWnV0mJ2Lgz2c45ZpcNEG0
(shared by AOTUS on FB).
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 24 January 2019, 13:45:06
 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 24 January 2019, 21:19:30
Not too bad after our log books ;D

(Added to http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=5100.msg157213#msg157213)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 25 January 2019, 02:30:39
.  ;D
https://www.georgiaarchives.org/online_exhibits/handwriting?fbclid=IwAR3iHV7cZxAtvfLrJn23SpMtcBM0L7mpL_4PUyWnV0mJ2Lgz2c45ZpcNEG0
(shared by AOTUS on FB).


I will ahve to admit there were the odd 1 (or 1000) that I could not read .  ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 25 January 2019, 15:07:02
That was fun  ;D  I did very well, one rather distressed bit of paper took a bit longer. Knowing more about the law would help too. Perhaps we should advertise OW on their site?  ;)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Dean on 26 January 2019, 13:50:07
https://www.georgiaarchives.org/online_exhibits/handwriting?fbclid=IwAR3iHV7cZxAtvfLrJn23SpMtcBM0L7mpL_4PUyWnV0mJ2Lgz2c45ZpcNEG0
(shared by AOTUS on FB).

All I can add is:

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/42916/jabberwocky.  ::)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 27 January 2019, 08:40:24
Just watched Nat Geo doc "Paris to Pittsburgh"
Wow.

Keep up the good fight.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 28 January 2019, 15:42:00
https://www.georgiaarchives.org/online_exhibits/handwriting?fbclid=IwAR3iHV7cZxAtvfLrJn23SpMtcBM0L7mpL_4PUyWnV0mJ2Lgz2c45ZpcNEG0
(shared by AOTUS on FB).

All I can add is:

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/42916/jabberwocky.  ::)

Wonderful, I still love the Jabberwock.  :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 29 January 2019, 09:30:06
http://www.climateaction.org/news/arctic-region-experiencing-its-warmest-century-in-over-115000-years?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Germany+to+phase+out+coal+by+2038+-+Climate+Action+News&utm_campaign=CA+Newsletter+29th+January+2019
 :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 29 January 2019, 10:21:09
 :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 30 January 2019, 01:10:45
Wrap up well you OW'ers in the Midwest states.

A "None climate change" cold snap is about to or has just hit.

-32c with wind chill to -52c.

Time to light the fire and enjoy a good 'hot toddy'.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 30 January 2019, 07:36:01
Time to light the fire and enjoy a good 'hot toddy'.

 :o Good luck Mid-Westers! 
I don;t have an open fireplace in my flat - but I can probably manage a double hot toddy to make up for hat...thanks for the suggestion Stuart  ;D

We've had a couple of cold nights (some places even got below zero in the South of England) and so the MetOffice felt inspired to share some ice information..I was pleasantly surprised to find:
https://beta.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/types-of-weather/frost-and-ice/ice-pancakes

Which reminds me to check when pancake day falls this year....  ;) :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Dean on 30 January 2019, 11:02:37
The area around me (Niagara Falls, NY) has 'closed' for 2 days due to the threat of snow & wind chills that came from the Mid West.

Currently (1600GMT/UTC) it's 1?F(-17?C) with wind chills listed at -22?F (-30?C). Tomorrow is supposed to be even worse.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 30 January 2019, 11:20:02
A friend in Leigh, UK (near Manchester) sent me a photo of snow in her garden. there seems to be lots of cold weather going around. None here though.  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 30 January 2019, 14:47:22
Mid 30sC for the last few days. 34c and 71% humidity today, dipping to a coool 18c tomorrow then back up to 29C on Sunday.

Bowral, NSW Australia. 
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 30 January 2019, 15:01:22
Was the all time record max not broken in the last two weeks? I saw that Australia's all time record high minimum was set. I think it was 36.something, which makes it hard to sleep if you don't have A/C.  ::)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 30 January 2019, 15:19:27
This morning the bus driver told me to exit via the front/boarding door because the back door was frozen shut.



Currently - 15:20 - Temp -19C, wind 17 km/h
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 30 January 2019, 15:24:46
The buses in Whitehorse never had that problem, even when the temp was below -40.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Caro on 30 January 2019, 16:29:21
Positively balmy here at -2.  :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 31 January 2019, 01:10:52
Mid 30sC for the last few days. 34c and 71% humidity today, dipping to a coool 18c tomorrow then back up to 29C on Sunday.

Bowral, NSW Australia.

We actually reached 40C at work just up the road (60km) from my place.

Michael.
The lowest temperature observed at Noona and Borrona Downs and during the 24 hours to 9am on Friday January 18th were 35.9 degrees and 35.6 degrees respectively.

Australia in Spring 2018 from the  BOM  (http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/season/aus/summary.shtml)
Australia's ninth-warmest spring on record; third-warmest for Queensland, seventh-warmest for the Northern Territory, equal eighth-warmest for Tasmania
Exceptionally warm spring for northern Australia, and exceptionally warm October nation-wide (fourth-warmest October on record for Australia)
Heatwave across the tropical coast of Queensland in the last week of November saw record-breaking daytime temperatures and extensive fire activity
Nationally, spring rainfall was near-average; but mixed over individual months and geographically
Eight-driest spring for Tasmania, ninth-driest for Victoria
Driest September on record for Australia; second-driest September for Victoria; third-driest for Western Australia and South Australia.

Caro
Have you got a spare bed at your place?   ;) Stuart.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Steeleye on 31 January 2019, 02:25:47
Well, well, well ... me ol' shipmate Pommy Stuart is still posting and able to fog a mirror!  It's been a while, hasn't it?  Has your grey matter turned to mush in the heat yet? We've had 5 days this year in Canberra at 40-42 and I am well and truly over it. Roll on winter (but not to the current central US standards).

A happy, if belated, New Year to  all former colleagues. I hope you are all keeping well.

Cheers,
Steeleye
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 31 January 2019, 02:49:00
Hi Howard.
Yep, still here in Bowral but maybe not for long.

Are you still plodding on with OW or have you found greener pastures?

Belated Greetings to you and yours also.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Steeleye on 31 January 2019, 04:02:03
Hi again Stuart,

For some reason I thought that you were based in Woolongong (yclept "The 'Gong" for all you non-locals).  Bowral's pretty nice though - sort of Australian aristocratic territory, if we were to have any.  Where are you likely to be heading off to, if I may ask?

I haven't done any OW work for quite a few years, although Randi just sent me an email (?along with other recalcitrants, I suspect) trying to rope me back in. I stopped doing OW when the Royal Navy logs were finished as they were my prime interest. I then moved into the Naval-History.net trasncriptions of the RN logs for several years - where I still have to finish HMS Repulse.  The last couple of years I have got into a number of zooniverse projects, both biological (eg Wildwatch Kenya and Numbat Discovery) and meteorological (Weather Rescue and Southern Weather Discovery). I guess the need for scientific data transcribers is never going to go away!

I'll need to have a think about coming back to OW. The community spirit was always good and generally much better than on other zooniverse projects.

Good to talk to you. Cheers,
Howard
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 31 January 2019, 09:58:13
You are the first to reply ;D

The community has shrunk, but the spirit is still strong!
I had no great interest in the navy or WWI, but I got hooked by the little details of life on the ships.

The ship's mascat goat "Nan" returned on board after a week's leave ashore on a farm.
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919263/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol107/26-159A-bear-vol107_024.jpg
and
George F. Gxxxxx, Sea 2c sent to Marine Hospital No 19 - for inpatient treatment; illness due to his own misconduct. :-X
https://zooniverse-static.s3.amazonaws.com/old-weather-2015/The_Arctic_Frontier/Coast_Guard/Northland_WPG-49_/Northland-WPG-49-1929-split/Northland-WPG-49-1929-0410-1.JPG
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 31 January 2019, 10:01:51
We are going from very cold to very warm.
It is/was pretty nasty here in Pittsburgh but not nearly as bad as in the Midwest.

(https://9b16f79ca967fd0708d1-2713572fef44aa49ec323e813b06d2d9.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/1140x_a10-7_cTC/20190130arColdWeather04-3-1548938818.jpg)

https://www.post-gazette.com/local/region/2019/01/30/Winter-weather-wind-chill-advisory-pittsburgh-forecast/stories/201901300101?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=editors-picks-local-frontpage&utm_campaign=Headlines-Newsletter
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Caro on 31 January 2019, 15:48:52
Well, well, well ... me ol' shipmate Pommy Stuart is still posting and able to fog a mirror!  It's been a while, hasn't it?  Has your grey matter turned to mush in the heat yet? We've had 5 days this year in Canberra at 40-42 and I am well and truly over it. Roll on winter (but not to the current central US standards).

A happy, if belated, New Year to  all former colleagues. I hope you are all keeping well.

Cheers,
Steeleye

Nice to see you, Howard.
I was just going to remind you about HMS Repulse.  ;)

Stuart: Forecast is for widespread heavy snow. Come on over!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 31 January 2019, 16:31:22
40c with 75% humidity yesterday.
Today 18c with 95% humidity.
Back to comfortable 28 on the weekend.

Caro.
Will be in your area 27 June at Biggin Hill. Save me some snow till then.   :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Caro on 01 February 2019, 02:43:21
Yeah nah.  ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: HatterJack on 01 February 2019, 11:35:51
Well, well , well, it?s been quite a long time, but it seems the winds of misfortune have finally begun to calm, and I?ve managed to find time to return to the seas, our ships, and all of you, my old trusty crew. Now I just need to figure out where to start! It?s good to be back. I?ve missed you guys.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 01 February 2019, 12:53:37
And we have missed you!!! Welcome back.  :) :) :)

I'm sure Randi will soon direct you to the correct ship.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 01 February 2019, 14:31:22
Welcome back, Jack!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Kevin on 01 February 2019, 20:35:35
I just approved the data set "Pacific arctic sea-ice observations from U.S. Federal logbooks (1900-1938)" and will let you all know when the doi is published by the NSF Arctic Data Center. Thank you co-authors - any special mess deck arrangements held in abeyance during the recent swabbing of loose trailing commas in the csv may be requested next week.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 01 February 2019, 20:43:13
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Bob on 02 February 2019, 08:07:04
Ahoy, HatterJack!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 02 February 2019, 12:39:17
Where is this so called global warming???  ::) ::) ::)

After all, this is Victoria, B.C. we're talking about.

The extended ECMWF weather forecast for Victoria
YYYY/MM/DD/ Hour Day       Weather          TT DDD/FFF       Pcp Max/Min
2019/02/02/12:00 Saturday  Sunny             6 WNW/011       0.0 Min   3
2019/02/02/18:00 Saturday  Cloudy            4   N/018G028   0.0
2019/02/03/00:00 Sunday    Cloudy            4   N/011       0.0 Max   8
2019/02/03/06:00 Sunday    Light rain        3 WSW/036G057   0.4
2019/02/03/12:00 Sunday    Light rain        2 WSW/029G046   0.1 Min   0
2019/02/03/18:00 Sunday    Cloudy            2  NE/007       0.0
2019/02/04/00:00 Monday    Snow             -2 NNE/047G075   2.8 Max   6
2019/02/04/06:00 Monday    Snow             -1 NNE/050G080   1.2
2019/02/04/12:00 Monday    Partly Cloudy     0 NNE/036G057   0.0 Min  -4
2019/02/04/16:00 Monday    Sunny             0   N/022G035   0.0
2019/02/04/22:00 Monday    Sunny             0 NNE/022G035   0.0 Max   2

Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 02 February 2019, 14:11:21
It is finally up to freezing here.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 02 February 2019, 14:34:26
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 02 February 2019, 18:28:52
We have rain to spare if anybody wants it.
Townsville QLD Australia

Date   Day   Min C   Max C   Rain mm
Jan-19            
27   Su   23.3          27.6            30
28   Mo   24          26.7            51.6
29   Tu   23.9          27.7            80
30   We   24.1          27.1          108.6
31   Th   24.6          26.9          153
Feb-19            
1   Fr   24.4          26.5          216.4
2   Sa   24.6                     141.8

(sorry for misaligned columns)

See also
 Townsville rain predictions  (http://www.bom.gov.au/places/qld/townsville/)

On the other hand.
 Tasmanian Fire warnings  (http://www.fire.tas.gov.au/Show?pageId=colGMapBushfires)
In the last few days there has been a drop off in Red alerts.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 02 February 2019, 21:04:06
That's a bit of wet, isn't it?  :o
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 03 February 2019, 01:13:11
A few flood warnings for river systems affected by Townsville floods. It will be most of Queensland.
 Flood warnings (http://www.bom.gov.au/qld/flood/brochures/river_maps.shtml)

I might ask Michael to explain the maps?

Area: 1.853 million km?
Population: 4.691 million (Dec 2013)

Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Steeleye on 03 February 2019, 03:01:24
Not sure if Stuart has already given this link (I've only just sort of rejoined OW), but in addition to northern Queensland being a bit soggy, Oz is generally going through a fairly hot summer (see https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-01/australian-weather-hottest-month-on-record-in-january/10769392 ). Take your pick:  minus 40 or +49, or a metre or so of rain, they're all pretty ugly!

As a way of coping with the vicissitudes of 21st century weather, I can recommend the 2015 'Moonlake' cabernet-shiraz, but you'll have to be quick getting here if you want to share a glass!

Cheers,
Steeleye
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 03 February 2019, 03:04:00
News today said some areas around Townsville have had 1.65 mtrs of rain in the last 7 days.
Local dam gates are open releasing 1300 Cu Mtrs of water /Sec.
May soon be opened to let out 2000 Cu Mtrs /sec down to the already flooded township.

Dark Corner
Durif Shiraz for me.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Caro on 03 February 2019, 04:24:37
Happy birthday Matteo.
Auguri!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 03 February 2019, 05:38:26
I will raise some of my Dark Corner, Durif Shiraz to celebrate with you Matteo.   :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 03 February 2019, 09:21:41

Happy Birthday
Matteo !

(https://www.monicacesarato.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/b4212f7c30488bc60647eaa764d6e791_large.jpg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Maikel on 03 February 2019, 09:45:09
Crisps anyone?

World War One grenade among potatoes at Hong Kong crisp factory.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-47107609

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/32D8/production/_105461031_hi052073606.jpg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 03 February 2019, 13:02:28
Happy Birthday, Matteo!

To help you celebrate your birthday, I'll send along a few more obscure locations along the east coast of Baffin Island.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 03 February 2019, 13:41:56
Buon compleanno, Matteo!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 04 February 2019, 11:50:12
I didn't think I'd be able to get out of the house after the all night blizzard. If the legislature had been in session, I was going to take a snowball there and throw it at the premier saying, "You call this global warming!"  ;D ;D ;D

Summary:      12    24 Hrs
Maximum:    -0.6   3.2 deg C
Minimum:    -5.1  -5.1 deg C
Precip:      0.0   0.2 mm
Max Wind:     39    42 kmh


(https://i.imgur.com/FQnZ28A.jpg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Kevin on 05 February 2019, 20:21:15
https://arcticdata.io/catalog/view/doi:10.18739/A20P0WQ7M

v1 is released. Unfortunately, there are only so many spots before 'et al.' in the header. Everyone is listed at the end of the scroll down. You will recognize yourselves as 'contributing principal investigators', which I think is quite grand. This version will be updated and a few oddities corrected then (e.g. format of tables in the documentation). Thank you all for the extraordinary effort.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 05 February 2019, 20:38:05
Just do a search on your name ;)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Bob on 06 February 2019, 08:01:44
 8) ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Kevin on 06 February 2019, 10:48:56
Now if I could just get through indexing the obs from pre-1900...
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 06 February 2019, 14:09:11
It's wonderful to see all our work being published.  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 06 February 2019, 20:01:56
Book reviews: Two new books explore the science and history of the 1918 flu pandemic (https://www.sciencenews.org/article/new-books-explore-science-history-1918-flu-pandemic)
Quote
The U.S.S. Leviathan set sail from Hoboken, N.J., on September 29, 1918, carrying roughly 10,000 troops and 2,000 crewmen. The ship, bound for the battlefields in France, had been at sea less than 24 hours when the first passengers fell ill. By the end of the day, 700 people had developed signs of the flu.
The medical staff tried to separate the sick from the healthy, but that soon proved impossible. The poorly ventilated bunkrooms filled with the stench of illness. The floor grew slippery with blood from many nosebleeds, and the wails of the sick and dying echoed below deck. Bodies piled up and began decomposing, until finally the crew was forced to heave them into the sea. It was the stuff of nightmares.
This is just one of the grisly scenes in Pandemic 1918 by historian Catharine Arnold. The book details how the movement of troops during World War I helped drive the spread of a deadly strain of influenza around the globe -- from the American Midwest to Cape Town, South Africa, to New Zealand and beyond.



Beavers are engineering a new Alaskan tundra  (https://www.sciencenews.org/article/beavers-are-engineering-new-alaskan-tundra)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 07 February 2019, 08:06:46
Sounds like the pandemic book will be fascinating if you have the stomach to take the detail. That journey must have been like a living hell.  :-\ :o

Love the beavers story...they are back in the UK too and doing wonderful things....
http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20161005-beavers-are-back-in-the-uk-and-they-will-reshape-the-land   :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 07 February 2019, 15:18:40
It's wonderful to see all our work being published.  :) :) :)

Including Michaels lovely maps.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 07 February 2019, 16:35:51
Thanks for letting us know, Kevin - very nice!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 15 February 2019, 10:26:29
Wish I could have made it along to this lecture today - not least for its fun title:

Physics Colloquium, Martin Wood Lecture Theatre, 15 February 2019

Professor Bjorn Stevens

?Quo Vadis Nubibus??
Clouds are funny things: ephemeral dispersions to which we attach great meaning and provide a wealth of interpretation.   In climate science we are often forced to confront the question as to why clouds form, how they affect the climate system, and whether these effects can be constrained by some greater principle.   Such questions are at the heart of many of climate science's great unknowns, but also addressed to a sense of wonder that comes from looking to the sky.   In entertaining these questions, I will explain why clouds on Earth are not special, but perhaps peculiar, how they interact with Earth?s climate system in unexpected ways, and strategies that are being developed ? at great expense ? to read reason from their randomness.
About the speaker: Bjorn Stevens is a director at the Max-Planck-Institute for Meteorology where he leads the Atmosphere in the Earth System Department and is a professor at the University of Hamburg. Prior to moving to Hamburg he was a full professor of Dynamic Meteorology at the University of California of Los Angeles. His research blends modelling, theory and field work to help articulate the role of aerosols, clouds and atmospheric convection in the climate system. He has made pioneering contributions to both understanding and modelling of mixing and microphysical processes and their impact on the structure and organization of clouds. Likewise his contribution to an understanding of how clouds respond to warming, and how radiative forcing responds to aerosol perturbations, has proven fundamental to our present comprehension of the susceptibility of Earth's climate to perturbations. In lay terms, his research has helped understand, and seeks to further understand, how clouds have changed, and will change, due to the presence of humans. 

The colloquia will take place at 3.30pm in the Martin Wood Lecture Theatre, Clarendon Laboratory, Parks Road. Please be seated by 3.25pm. Tea and coffee will be available in the CL common room after each colloquium.

Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 15 February 2019, 12:38:18
Very cool. I wish I could have been there too.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 16 February 2019, 17:01:08
My stepmom has some outfits made of reindeer fur, for when she does field trips to Siberia.
She told me that when not in use, they need to be kept refrigerated or they will rot.

Did any of your clothing require special preservation like that, Michael?

I finally met up with my stepmom again - turns out the refrigeration is actually to keep moths away.
Also, it wasn't a full outfit - just boots. For everything else, synthetic clothing is fine, since she doesn't work or spend much time outdoors.
She said the boots are homemade, so no chemical treatment - that's why the moths like to eat them.
The native people in Siberia do wear full reindeer fur outfits, because they're outside all the time, and even today animal fur is the best for that.
But it does require a lot of effort to treat and sew together.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 18 February 2019, 12:46:35
I always wondered why furs were not worn 'inside out', so the fur would be on the inside and the wind proof skin on the outside. Turns out that if you sweat into the fur, by wearing it next to your skin, it clumps up and doesn't work properly.  The skins do look heavy. I guess you just get used to that.  :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Tegwen on 20 February 2019, 10:45:57
The Modern Hiawatha
(Excerpt from "Song of Milkanwatha")

http://holyjoe.org/poetry/strong.htm

Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 20 February 2019, 16:34:20
The Modern Hiawatha
(Excerpt from "Song of Milkanwatha")

http://holyjoe.org/poetry/strong.htm

Thanks, cracking ditty Keith! You'd want to practice that a lot before trying it in public  ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hurlock on 23 February 2019, 12:28:19
I am having a short holiday in London from tomorrow with one of my sons.  Returning on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 23 February 2019, 12:59:41
I am having a short holiday in London from tomorrow with one of my sons.  Returning on Wednesday.

Well done! I hope you both have a wonderful time.  :)

We'll be here when you get back...  ;)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 23 February 2019, 13:30:57
I am having a short holiday in London from tomorrow with one of my sons.  Returning on Wednesday.
Up in 'The Big Smoke' eh? I think that London has the hardest pavements out - take some foot salve with you! Have a lovely time Hurlock :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 23 February 2019, 20:11:33
I am having a short holiday in London from tomorrow with one of my sons.  Returning on Wednesday.
Enjoy!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 24 February 2019, 16:43:35
Have a good time, Hurlock!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 25 February 2019, 08:49:37
High winds here in Pittsburgh!!!

Lost power yesterday afternoon and it is still out.
Last night it was 55,000 now it is around 38,000.
They can't use the "buckets" to reach the pole tope and wires when the winds are more than 40mph.
https://www.duquesnelight.com/outages-safety/current-outages

Luckily, I am able to stay with a friend who has power.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Caro on 25 February 2019, 12:34:34
Hope the winds abate and you get the power back soon, Randi.
Meanwhile, UK basks in warmest February day on record (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47360952).
Not sure this is a good thing ...
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 25 February 2019, 20:38:10
Winds have abated, power is back on, and I am home!

No, the winds and the warm February are not good things :'(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 25 February 2019, 21:28:15
I am curious Randi, what are the units for the numbers below?
Last night it was 55,000 now it is around 38,000.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 25 February 2019, 21:31:41
Oops!

Total Customers Affected
Currently: 28937
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 25 February 2019, 22:01:32
I was trying to imagine people trying to stand up in Pittsburgs high winds that strong.   :o  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 25 February 2019, 22:21:07
The people probably did better than the utility poles ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 26 February 2019, 00:59:24
Depending on the paper you read the estimated loos of cattle in the recent Queensland floods is up to 500,000 head at ave AU$1000 per head that's a lot of money.

Crazy weather, it was not long ago (think a few months) that the state was ravaged by bushfires.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 26 February 2019, 15:00:56
Depending on the paper you read the estimated loos of cattle in the recent Queensland floods is up to 500,000 head at ave AU$1000 per head that's a lot of money.

Crazy weather, it was not long ago (think a few months) that the state was ravaged by bushfires.

Poor cattle - can't imagine how desperate they must have been - so scared.  :'( :'( :'(   
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 27 February 2019, 09:57:43
Welcome back, Hurlock!
On time, and I will assume clean and sober ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hurlock on 27 February 2019, 11:59:23
Back now having done some of the standard tourist attractions - Tower bridge, London Eye, Science Museum - as well as about every different transport system available from cable cars to trams.  Very nice weather.

Hope you have your power fixed now.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 27 February 2019, 12:30:40
Happy to hear you enjoyed London!

Yes, thank you, my power came back Monday afternoon.
Luckily, my apartment is in an old house with steam radiators (more properly convectors according to a friend) and uses gas to heat the water. So so the apartment stayed warm (but internetless and lightless).
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: studentforever on 27 February 2019, 13:15:52
This is NOT typical February weather. Last year at this time much of the UK was inches deep in snow and there were NO daffodils to be seen. Even up here in Scotland we have crocus, daffodils, forsythia and swelling buds. My grass is beginning to grow again. More normal weather will arrive by the weekend but still not expected to get really cold for the next couple of weeks.

I'm glad you enjoyed London, there are some amazing sights but I'm always relieved to leave and have some wide open spaces more or less to myself. I suppose I'm just not an urban animal even though life is much easier if you don't live too far away from a city (public transport, hospitals to name just two items of increasing importance with age).
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 27 February 2019, 14:00:27
You certainly did well to catch London this week around Hurlock!  Dry and warm and sunny each day. Well done! :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 28 February 2019, 08:41:57
Pancake day is coming up everybody (5th March). I felt inspired by Michael's Dockside Gallery exhibit (looks like pancake ice) to see if we can come up with a variety of pancake ice pictures. Have to admit that the home created variety with lemon and sugar probably taste a lot better - but it's nice to have nature's inspiration   :D

For the ice hunters. Emma Bay (Bukhta Komsomol'skaya) , Eastern Siberia.

(https://i.imgur.com/WXjrtW7.jpg?1)

As Randi kindly pointed out - I got this patch of ice wrong - pancakes don't come with pointy corners - oops!  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 28 February 2019, 09:15:33
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/12/18/2424455600000578-0-image-a-3_1418918844186.jpg)

Anyone for a VERY cold game of frisbee?
Bizarre 'ice pancakes' the size of dinner plates found floating on a Scottish river (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2879346/Ice-pancakes-floating-Scottish-river-Bizarre-formations-occur-frozen-crystals-collect-circular-disks.html)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 28 February 2019, 16:48:54
Those are real pancakes - nice picture Randi.  :D That happened on the Dee. Rona got a picture of them if I recall correctly:D

I found an interesting video about the formation of pancake ice:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/nt690bQqyVc

Oh dear - I really wish I had some pancakes for tea  :-[ :-\
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 28 February 2019, 16:54:36
Great find!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 28 February 2019, 18:57:09
For more general ice formation info see.
https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/seaice/characteristics/formation.html (https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/seaice/characteristics/formation.html)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 28 February 2019, 20:39:23
Thanks!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 03 March 2019, 21:40:34
Supplements Won?t Prevent Dementia. But Old Weather Transcribing Might. (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/01/health/dementia-prevention-supplements.html?fallback=0&recId=1HxTQPQtjUkTjuRmwg3snlzda1x&locked=0&geoContinent=NA&geoRegion=PA&recAlloc=top_conversion&geoCountry=US&blockId=most-popular&imp_id=183332804&action=click&module=trending&pgtype=Article&region=Footer)

OK, the article doesn't say that explicitly, but it says
Quote
...the panel endorsed just three interventions "supported by encouraging but inconclusive evidence," to prevent, delay or slow cognitive decline.
The three:
- Increased physical activity;
- Blood pressure management for people with hypertension, particularly in midlife;
- And cognitive training.

That last recommendation doesn't necessarily refer to commercial online brain games, said Dr. Kristine Yaffe, a neuropsychiatrist and epidemiologist at the University of California, San Francisco, who served on the panel.
"It's really the concept of being mentally active," she said. "Find something you enjoy where you're learning something new, challenging and stimulating your brain."
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 04 March 2019, 15:05:14
 :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 04 March 2019, 17:01:45
"Find something you enjoy where you're learning something new, challenging and stimulating your brain."
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Apparently learning Chinese is very stimulating to the brain. I have very few talents in the linguistics line - so I better stick to my whalers. At least I'm learning how to spell Arctic place names - in every possible way.  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 10 March 2019, 08:51:52
Tiny bits of iron may explain why some icebergs are green
The emerald ice may help shuttle an essential nutrient around marine food webs (https://www.sciencenews.org/article/green-icebergs-antarctica-iron?utm_source=Editors_Picks&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=editorspicks031019)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 10 March 2019, 09:35:57
Tiny bits of iron may explain why some icebergs are green
The emerald ice may help shuttle an essential nutrient around marine food webs (https://www.sciencenews.org/article/green-icebergs-antarctica-iron?utm_source=Editors_Picks&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=editorspicks031019)

That's amazing. The jade bergs shown are so beautiful :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 11 March 2019, 14:31:29
Happy Birthday to the 'World Wide Weather Web" it's 30 today.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 11 March 2019, 17:50:28
Happy Birthday to the 'World Wide Weather Web" it's 30 today.

Cor Stuart - that's an amazing event.  :D

(https://i.imgur.com/05zF4Fn.png)

What's sad is - as a computer 'function' it can't blow the candles out, can't make a wish, and can't get excited over what's beneath the wrapping paper on its presents. Well - that's no fun is it?  :-\ :-[ :o ;) ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 11 March 2019, 18:25:46
Happy Birthday to the 'World Wide Weather Web" it's 30 today.

Hmmmm. AOL Online, Netscape, Mosaic, modems. It seems like just yesterday...
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 11 March 2019, 18:32:21
(https://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Model500-telephone_p22.jpg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Dean on 12 March 2019, 18:21:23
I still have one of those & it works!! It sits down in my workshop and is 'hardwired' in case the power goes. ;)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 13 March 2019, 15:11:39
Nice one Randi! :D  Our first (and last) phone at the family home looked just like that :D  Amazingly it could predict how the bus traffic was flowing during afternoon rush hour.  How so? Well our number was just one digit different to the local Bus Garage. At about 5 pm on many a night it would go with lots of angry customers asking where there bus was.  Snow would herald mayhem :-[
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: ggordon on 13 March 2019, 21:34:48
We couldn't afford a private line, so we were on a 4-party line.  Our line was shared with three other neighbors.  When you wanted to dial out you had to be careful to listen for a dial tone first.  If you didn't hear the tone, one of the neighbors was likely in a call and you would hear their ongoing conversation.  If you weren't careful, you might pick up your phone when there was a lull in their conversation, and forgetting to wait for the dial tone first, start dialing.  Then you'd hear an irate, "HEY, we're on the line!!!"   >:(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 13 March 2019, 22:15:32
The good old days ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 14 March 2019, 11:20:30
The Epic Hunt for a Lost World War II Aircraft Carrier
In 1942, a volley of torpedoes sent the U.S.S. Wasp to the bottom of the Pacific. For decades, the families of the dead wondered where in the lightless depths of the ocean the ship could possibly be. Earlier this year, a team of wreck hunters set out to find it. (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/magazine/uss-wasp-lost-world-war-ii-aircraft-carrier.html?emc=edit_NN_p_20190314&nl=morning-briefing&nlid=79267039ion%3DlongRead&section=longRead&te=1)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 14 March 2019, 11:26:35
All this discussion of old tech makes me feel young - the oldest thing I can remember is Windows 95.
I really loved the pipes screensaver on that thing, especially once I worked out how to configure it myself  ;D

Hmmm... what will the world of tech look like when I'm the old one?
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 14 March 2019, 14:58:05
The Epic Hunt for a Lost World War II Aircraft Carrier
In 1942, a volley of torpedoes sent the U.S.S. Wasp to the bottom of the Pacific. For decades, the families of the dead wondered where in the lightless depths of the ocean the ship could possibly be. Earlier this year, a team of wreck hunters set out to find it. (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/magazine/uss-wasp-lost-world-war-ii-aircraft-carrier.html?emc=edit_NN_p_20190314&nl=morning-briefing&nlid=79267039ion%3DlongRead&section=longRead&te=1)
That was an amazing story Randi. To track that ship down in the depths of the abyssal plains is really something. I loved the human side of it. Shea's letter to his son - what a wonderful piece. :)


All this discussion of old tech makes me feel young - the oldest thing I can remember is Windows 95.
I really loved the pipes screensaver on that thing, especially once I worked out how to configure it myself  ;D

Hmmm... what will the world of tech look like when I'm the old one?
Windows 95? - I came into Windows with version 2.0. Before that I worked with WordPerfect 1.0 on DOS  ;D
I'd completely forgotten the pipe thing :D  I was under orders not to allow things like that loose on my computer (which was called 'Son of the House of Frankenstein'  - it's a long story...) due to memory restrictions.

When you are old you'll be searching your pocket for your comput-ear.  It's a computer, pea sized, gets charged up by sitting next to your electric toothbrush charger, and fits in your ear. It picks up on your thought patterns and solves queries. It can remotely type documents back to any printer on your system. It makes bookings for you so that you go for a swim and the gym when you feel squished by office work. It gets you there by using it's sat nav to operate the direction on your electric-motor skate board. etc etc. At the end of the day it will quietly whisper the gentle count of sheep to lull you to never never land  ;) ;D

Now - where's the Patent Office? .... ;) ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 14 March 2019, 15:11:45
All this discussion of old tech makes me feel young - the oldest thing I can remember is Windows 95.
I really loved the pipes screensaver on that thing, especially once I worked out how to configure it myself  ;D

Hmmm... what will the world of tech look like when I'm the old one?

I liked that one also, especially when the Teapot turned up.
Can you still get it for win10?
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 14 March 2019, 16:08:02
Take a look here, Stuart - it's number 6 on the list, the how-to-install instructions are at the top of the article.
https://www.maketecheasier.com/10-awesome-screensavers-for-your-windows-pc/
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 14 March 2019, 16:22:46
Computer Haiku

A file that big?
It might be very useful.
But now it is gone.


The Web site you seek
cannot be located but
endless others exist


Chaos reigns within.
Reflect, repent, and reboot.
Order shall return.


Aborted effort:
Close all that you have.
You ask way too much.


First snow, then silence.
This thousand dollar screen dies
so beautifully.


With searching comes loss
and the presence of absence:
"My Novel" not found.


The Tao that is seen
is not the true Tao, until
you bring fresh toner.


Windows NT crashed.
I am the Blue Screen of Death.
No one hears your screams.


Stay the patient course
Of little worth is your ire
The network is down


Yesterday it worked
Today it is not working
Windows is like that


Three things are certain:
Death, taxes, and lost data.
Guess which has occurred.


You step in the stream,
but the water has moved on.
This page is not here.


Out of memory.
We wish to hold the whole sky,
but we never will.


Having been erased,
the document you are seeking
must now be retyped.


Rather than a beep
or a rude error message,
these words: "File not found."


Serious error.
All shortcuts have disappeared.
Screen. Mind. Both are blank.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 14 March 2019, 16:33:56
Take a look here, Stuart - it's number 6 on the list, the how-to-install instructions are at the top of the article.
https://www.maketecheasier.com/10-awesome-screensavers-for-your-windows-pc/

Thanks Mate.  ;)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: studentforever on 14 March 2019, 17:11:31
How about Fortran before all these GUIs came into fashion? No temperamental rodents, just your trusty keyboard and reams and reams of paper!! [or yards and yards of paper tape when editing your program was done with scissors and sellotape]

These pesky screens will never catch on and they must be bad for your eyes!!!
  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Dean on 14 March 2019, 18:20:29
How about Fortran before all these GUIs came into fashion? No temperamental rodents, just your trusty keyboard and reams and reams of paper!! [or yards and yards of paper tape when editing your program was done with scissors and sellotape]

These pesky screens will never catch on and they must be bad for your eyes!!!
  ;D ;D ;D

That and punch cards that you would carefully set up, organize, and then DROP them on the way to the data entry port so you could pick them up and try to figure the correct order to start.

Oh, Yes... and dial modems that you made the call and then set the handset in the coupler & hoped it worked!  8)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: jil on 14 March 2019, 18:35:01
That and punch cards that you would carefully set up, organize, and then DROP them on the way to the data entry port so you could pick them up and try to figure the correct order to start.
OR you put a rubber band round the punch cards to avoid this problem and then forget to take it off before you put them into the card reader!

And great Haiku(s? - not sure of the plural), Randi.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: studentforever on 14 March 2019, 19:01:20
Oh yes, and the problems in wet weather (our computer centre was in a different building) and sometimes the cards would stick together and the computer would spit it out with an error message and you would have to carefully riffle the pack and resubmit the whole lot and come back next morning to see if it had run this time (my data cards filled a whole box). The joys of running stats packages when you could only submit for the overnight runs. Mind you, I was better off than a few people who could only run at the weekend although I think they could run a card check overnight but not process the data.

I remember several years later at a different university trying to convince a policeman that he could only read a data disc holding the X-ray analysis of a forensic specimen I had done several years earlier by running it through the same program because the data had been compressed for storage. He found it difficult to realise that when you didn't have all the RAM of current computers then all sorts of tricks were used by the programmers to manage with the resources they had and declared fixed format files which didn't have separators between values was one of the tricks.

Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 14 March 2019, 19:18:31
Loved the Haiku Randi :D

I've recently enjoyed this one  ::)

Windows NT crashed.
I am the Blue Screen of Death.
No one hears your screams.

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 14 March 2019, 20:34:22
Years ago I had an idea for analyzing climate data. I submitted my idea to my director in Ottawa, who asked the director of Climate Services in Toronto. The Climate director was very excited about my idea, and so I got approval. I wrote the program in FORTRAN, it was several hundred lines, and I had to punch the cards on an old IBM manual card punch. I had to learn the two or three key combination for each symbol. For example, an A might have been produced by pressing the 12, 8 and 3 keys simultaneously. (I don't remember the combinations any more.) There was no printing at the top of the card, and no sequencing.

So, I punched all the cards, sent them to Ottawa who then sent them to Toronto. Chain of command  ::)

The climate people would run the program, which would crash because I had entered an N instead of an M in FORMAT or some such. They would mail the printout and the cards to Ottawa, who would then mail them to me, in New Brunswick. I would have to figure out which were the bad cards, and then try to correct them. That done, the cards would be sent, the program run, the results back with a different error.

Eventually a kind person in the computer centre had the cards copied on a modern card punch, so I could see the printing on the top, and the cards were sequenced. Eventually the two directors decided I was mature enough to communicate directly with the computer people in Toronto without having to go through the two directors.

And, in the end, my program worked just fine, as was a second one and I, and others, used the results from them for years.

The old ways weren't always the best ways.

Here is what my punch looked like.

(http://ids.si.edu/ids/deliveryService?id=NMAH-DOR2012-2424&max=1000)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 14 March 2019, 20:44:36
:o :o :o
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: studentforever on 15 March 2019, 01:55:56
At least my card punches were 'modern' with a Qwerty keyboard & number pad. The latest one even had a Verify function. (it didn't actually punch the card, it just checked that what you typed the 2nd time matched what you had punched the 1st time and pinged if you hadn't). At least that picked up the typos if not the actual errors. The trick was to Verify on a 2nd visit in the hope that at least any typing errors the 2nd time would be different.

The joy when they got enough cash to purchase a punch with the ability to PRINT across the top of the card - you can imagine the competition to book that one.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 15 March 2019, 11:24:15
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 15 March 2019, 13:53:02
Oh gosh - that ancient piece of kit! Were the numbers still calculated on an abacus?  ;)

Seriously - I am so impressed by you who went through all the development phases of computing  :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Thursday Next on 15 March 2019, 15:57:50
Loved the haiku's, Randi - thanks for posting!  ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 15 March 2019, 18:04:53
The haikus are great - thanks much, Randi!

I am suddenly very thankful for being a programmer in this age and time, and not in the age of punch cards!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: ggordon on 15 March 2019, 20:02:14
My first experience with computers, programs were stored on punched paper tapes.  If the tape got torn, you were out of luck.  Every time the air conditioning came on, the computer would crash and you'd have to reboot the computer by entering machine code on the front panel, bit by bit, with machine instructions to read in the operating system from paper tapes.  And then after all that, you would load your program back in again from paper tape, and resume working until the next time the air conditioner came on.

This was in college.  You signed up in advance for 15 minutes on the computer, and hoped that it was running during your 15 minutes.

On my last job, we had a Linux server that had been running non-stop for over three years.  We eventually had to shut it down to upgrade the operating system.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: studentforever on 16 March 2019, 02:34:02
I never 'used' one of those but when I was in the 6th form we went for a day to visit a local firm who had an old valve computer. It occupied a whole air conditioned room. They kept it for some admin jobs but had a newer one for their research work and in its 'spare' time invited 6th formers for their first computer experience. I managed to program a fahrenheit to centigrade conversion table and was very proud of myself. I kept that first roll of paper tape until I went to Uni when it got lost somewhere. I do remember you had to 'poke' every bit of data into its memory slot and you didn't have very many of them! It was built just after WW2 and was one of the early commercial computers when these things were cutting edge.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 16 March 2019, 08:21:31
8)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 16 March 2019, 15:12:19
I'm impressed too studentforever :D  8)  :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Thursday Next on 16 March 2019, 15:59:28
My earliest computer memory is having to attend a programming course when I was at university - this would have been around 1970.  It was during the Easter vacation, so I wasn't best pleased about it, and I was convinced computers were just a fad and would never catch on.  When it came to writing a small program of our own it was emphasised that we absolutely must not under any circumstances miss out a semi-colon where required, or the computer would just loop round for ever and ever.  Guess who was the only student on the course to omit a semi-colon?  :(

(At least I think it was semi-colons that were critical - it's possible it was some other punctuation mark!)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Dean on 16 March 2019, 18:22:05
Truthfully I am STILL doing 'punch cards' - actually rolls - and having fun at it!!

I volunteer as a Maintenance Tech at the Herschell Carrousel Factory Museum and have been studying under our Organ Master. I don't make the Masters but I am learning how to cut the rolls & make music. I get to operate our 7 Band organs.  ;D ;D ;D

Check it out!  https://youtube.com/embed/bjj66yc_Rto
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 16 March 2019, 18:35:42
Very nice!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 16 March 2019, 18:41:31
That looks like it would be good fun to maintain the organs and carousels (and cleaner than my trains).
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 16 March 2019, 20:11:11
 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: studentforever on 17 March 2019, 01:52:00
Fun!! Do you ever get a ride?

But to introduce a sombre note. This reminds us that even in my lifetime men risked, and lost, their lives trying to save others at sea. Then others came forward to take their place, an act of cold-blooded courage which fills me with awe.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-47582287
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 17 March 2019, 09:19:36
Truthfully I am STILL doing 'punch cards' - actually rolls - and having fun at it!!
I volunteer as a Maintenance Tech at the Herschell Carrousel Factory Museum and have been studying under our Organ Master. I don't make the Masters but I am learning how to cut the rolls & make music. I get to operate our 7 Band organs.  ;D ;D ;D
Check it out!  https://youtube.com/embed/bjj66yc_Rto
That was fun Dean.  :D :D :D



Fun!! Do you ever get a ride?

But to introduce a sombre note. This reminds us that even in my lifetime men risked, and lost, their lives trying to save others at sea. Then others came forward to take their place, an act of cold-blooded courage which fills me with awe.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-47582287

I remember that on the news.  :(
The previous year we'd been to see the opening of the St Ives station (or possibly it was the first trip out for a new boat) when we were on holiday. We always had great respect for the lifeboatmen. Dad had been in the navy and new what it was like to be caught out in a storm, albeit in a small destroyer. This was  a terrible event. Over the years that I've been a member of the RNLI the science that has poured into it has made transformed the boats. A lot of people don't realise that  they undertake to get you and your boat back to shore. Needless to say the boat comes last in the priority list in case of loss of life or limb. They don't seek Government funding because it's at the whim of the treasury, and might adversely affect the voluntary donations from the wonderful public. After every trip out (even if it was a horror story trip) the crew don't leave for home until the boat is ready to go back out (usually other volunteers get cracking with this) and the reports are written. I take my hat off to them any hour of the night or day.  :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: jil on 17 March 2019, 11:38:31
Truthfully I am STILL doing 'punch cards' - actually rolls - and having fun at it!!
I volunteer as a Maintenance Tech at the Herschell Carrousel Factory Museum and have been studying under our Organ Master. I don't make the Masters but I am learning how to cut the rolls & make music. I get to operate our 7 Band organs.  ;D ;D ;D
Check it out!  https://youtube.com/embed/bjj66yc_Rto
8)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Dean on 17 March 2019, 18:16:48
Truthfully I am STILL doing 'punch cards' - actually rolls - and having fun at it!!
I volunteer as a Maintenance Tech at the Herschell Carrousel Factory Museum and have been studying under our Organ Master. I don't make the Masters but I am learning how to cut the rolls & make music. I get to operate our 7 Band organs.  ;D ;D ;D
Check it out!  https://youtube.com/embed/bjj66yc_Rto
8)

Yes. Once in a while I DO get to ride. I'm a certified ride operator on the 1916 Herschell #1 Special (original & a National Historic Monument)  The really cool part is working above it with all the gears & stuff.  Our web site is under repair at the moment but as soon as it is back up I'll share & you can see more!   ;)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 19 March 2019, 07:50:39
I was tinkering around on the Mensa website, and dreaming that there would be a Citizen Science section, so I decided to look at what special interest groups they have, and how many postings each group had. I had a bit of laugh when I spotted quite how far ahead of the rest of the field are Star Trek and  Video Games...  ::)  :-X ;D
(https://i.imgur.com/hA39t6h.png)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 19 March 2019, 07:58:16
:-X
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: studentforever on 19 March 2019, 08:47:06
I notice there aren't any for education and rock music and just one for classical music
 :o
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 19 March 2019, 15:36:32
I notice there aren't any for education and rock music and just one for classical music
 :o

I think I might have taken a wrong turn somewhere to find this group of specials. I think there must be some mainstream groups because I'm sure I've seen them before. They've rejigged their website since the last time I visited  :-\
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 19 March 2019, 15:41:01
Last Friday's School Students' Climate Strike - some of my colleagues manning a stall in Bonn Square, Oxford.  I thought their t-shirts were a great idea :D

(https://i.imgur.com/HxkitCF.png)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 19 March 2019, 17:01:38
 ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 19 March 2019, 18:26:17
Last Friday's School Students' Climate Strike - some of my colleagues manning a stall in Bonn Square, Oxford.  I thought their t-shirts were a great idea :D
Excellent!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 22 March 2019, 16:55:34
I'm sneaking a work request into the chat board - I will probably be keel-hauled for this  :o
OWWhaling needs more testing and I wonder if anyone out there might give a wee bit of time to help please? Help from about 3 people would help a lot. A few of you have kindly offered already, but a few more would be great. :D
The job description:
What's needed - test out the 'how to get your worksheet to transcribe your work on to' - test out 'this is what you transcribe' - report back any weird or odd instructions to help get them fully straightened out. No long term commitment necessary   :)
Pay rates:
 - um...what's that?  ;)



Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 24 March 2019, 08:51:40
The oldest known astrolabe was used on one of Vasco da Gama?s ships (https://www.sciencenews.org/article/oldest-known-astrolabe-was-used-one-vasco-da-gamas-ships)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 26 March 2019, 14:16:11
The oldest known astrolabe was used on one of Vasco da Gama?s ships (https://www.sciencenews.org/article/oldest-known-astrolabe-was-used-one-vasco-da-gamas-ships)

That's fascinating! They've go an amazing selection of astrolabes in the Museum of Science in Oxford and, despite many trips, I've never yet understood them. I'd need to go and work with one to get a hang of it I suspect :)

Today I'm feeling jealous of anyone able to get to this exhibition at the New Bedford Whaling Museum before it closes in a month or two:
https://www.whalingmuseum.org/explore/exhibitions/thou-shalt-knot-clifford-ashley/
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 12 April 2019, 12:01:55
March Temperatures in Alaska: 20 Degrees Hotter Than Usual (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/09/climate/alaska-abnormally-hot-march.html?emc=edit_ne_20190410&nl=indias-election&nlid=7926703920190410&te=1)
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By local standards, Alaska has been sweltering this spring. Temperature records have been set across the state, including in Kotzebue, where the thermometer reached 42 degrees Fahrenheit on the last day of March --- 30 degrees above normal.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 12 April 2019, 13:52:20
March Temperatures in Alaska: 20 Degrees Hotter Than Usual (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/09/climate/alaska-abnormally-hot-march.html?emc=edit_ne_20190410&nl=indias-election&nlid=7926703920190410&te=1)
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By local standards, Alaska has been sweltering this spring. Temperature records have been set across the state, including in Kotzebue, where the thermometer reached 42 degrees Fahrenheit on the last day of March --- 30 degrees above normal.

 :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 15 April 2019, 14:24:25
Climate change made the Arctic greener. Now parts of it are turning brown. (https://www.sciencenews.org/article/climate-change-arctic-browning?utm_source=Editors_Picks&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=editorspicks041419)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 15 April 2019, 14:38:37
Climate change made the Arctic greener. Now parts of it are turning brown. (https://www.sciencenews.org/article/climate-change-arctic-browning?utm_source=Editors_Picks&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=editorspicks041419)

 :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 16 April 2019, 11:43:46
Evening all.

I will be on vacation from tomorrow until the 27th, and I will not be taking my computer, so no Ice Hunting or forum fun for me.
Early Happy Easter to everyone, and see you when I get back,


- H94
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 16 April 2019, 12:51:24
Evening all.

I will be on vacation from tomorrow until the 27th, and I will not be taking my computer, so no Ice Hunting or forum fun for me.
Early Happy Easter to everyone, and see you when I get back,


- H94

Have a lovely holiday H94 - you will be very much missed :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hurlock on 16 April 2019, 13:52:36
Have a great holiday.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 16 April 2019, 14:34:35
Yes, Hannibal, enjoy your time off. I?ll be back to Ice Hunting in a week.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 16 April 2019, 19:22:59
I hope you have a fun and relaxing vacation, H94!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Dean on 18 April 2019, 19:11:33
Enjoy your Holiday! We'll be here when you return!  ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 21 April 2019, 08:57:21
Happy Easter
Everyone !


(http://ghk.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/15/12/5508c85df30b9-ghk040115bobfamilyroomcraft01-iph1080.png)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 21 April 2019, 11:23:15
 
A very Happy and Peaceful Easter to you all


(https://i.imgur.com/Y0Y9MYb.png)


Down Easter Ship (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_Easter_(ship)) ;)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 21 April 2019, 13:27:30
Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_Easter_%28ship%29
The Down Easter or Downeaster was a type of 19th-century sailing ship built in Maine, and used largely in the California grain trade. It was a modification of the clipper ship using a similar bow but with better cargo handling. It achieved a balance between speed and tonnage such that it made the wheat trade between California and Great Britain competitive with east coast grain trade via steam ship. It could make the trip between San Francisco and Liverpool in 100 days, despite rounding Cape Horn and crossing the equator twice. A more unusual name for the rig was shipentine.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 21 April 2019, 15:08:14
I hope everyone enjoyed their Easter candy...

Forget the Easter Bunny. Let?s Celebrate the Easter Bug. (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/18/business/lac-bug-candy.html?emc=edit_nn_20190421&nl=morning-briefing&nlid=7926703920190421&te=1)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 21 April 2019, 15:31:46
I hope everyone enjoyed their Easter candy...

Forget the Easter Bunny. Let?s Celebrate the Easter Bug. (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/18/business/lac-bug-candy.html?emc=edit_nn_20190421&nl=morning-briefing&nlid=7926703920190421&te=1)

It's such an odd idea - less brown furniture to French Polish (uses shellac) so use it on chocolate instead.  :D  (Got to say - I really like unpolished chocolate which is why I miss Flake Bars  :) )
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 22 April 2019, 00:05:56
(https://www.alreporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/AdobeStock_170021405-e1548335183494.jpeg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Caro on 22 April 2019, 06:01:38
Happy Earth Day.  :) 

(https://media.giphy.com/media/IHS7SECJrH62Q/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 22 April 2019, 08:12:31

Happy Earth Day to everyone  :D

(https://i.imgur.com/L1bVawb.png)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 22 April 2019, 13:23:47
Quote from: Kevin
The missing 1920 logbooks of the BEAR were found by one of my colleagues sent to the Oakland Public Library on a recon. We'll have to figure out how to get them scanned. Perhaps someone on vacation to the Bay Area?

Is there anyone living in or visiting the Bay Area that would be able to visit the library and have a look at the logs? Maybe even scan them?


Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 22 April 2019, 14:23:28
(http://d1jqu7g1y74ds1.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Earthrise-Apollo-8.jpg)

Apollo 8's Earthrise: The Shot Seen Round the World
Half a century ago today, a photograph from the moon helped humans rediscover Earth. (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/21/science/earthrise-moon-apollo-nasa.html?emc=edit_NN_p_20190422&nl=morning-briefing&nlid=79267039on%3DbackStory&section=backStory&te=1)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 22 April 2019, 14:58:21
It's still a fabulous picture - I find it moves me every time.  I think it's the most replicated picture ever?
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 26 April 2019, 11:40:40
New York Attorney General to Investigate Facebook Email Collection (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/25/technology/facebook-new-york-attorney-general-investigation.html?emc=edit_ne_20190425&nl=evening-briefing&nlid=7926703920190425&te=1)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 26 April 2019, 13:41:08
And again (https://thetyee.ca/News/2019/04/23/Facebook-Sneaky-Sniper-Targeting/), another shady practice.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Tegwen on 26 April 2019, 13:47:12
Just spotted this. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-48044822

HMS Caroline has been nominated for museum of the year.

Odd that she is nominated this year when she was opened in 2016, but it is a wonderful museum. I think I need another audit in Nothern Ireland.

Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 26 April 2019, 14:42:27
And again (https://thetyee.ca/News/2019/04/23/Facebook-Sneaky-Sniper-Targeting/), another shady practice.

Alarming!
Read it.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 26 April 2019, 16:15:28
And again (https://thetyee.ca/News/2019/04/23/Facebook-Sneaky-Sniper-Targeting/), another shady practice.

Alarming!
Read it.

Read it - sob!  :'(   Not a good way to behave  >:(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: ggordon on 26 April 2019, 19:07:11
Quote from: Kevin
The missing 1920 logbooks of the BEAR were found by one of my colleagues sent to the Oakland Public Library on a recon. We'll have to figure out how to get them scanned. Perhaps someone on vacation to the Bay Area?

Is there anyone living in or visiting the Bay Area that would be able to visit the library and have a look at the logs? Maybe even scan them?

Too bad I wasn't involved with OW sooner and we didn't know sooner.  I was making regular trips to Oakland every few months until recently.  I don't have any reason to go back down there now though.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 27 April 2019, 14:07:00
Hello all,

I'm back - my vacation was great, apart from the OW withdrawal symptoms. Been looking forward to getting back into Ice Hunting, and catching up on the forum.
Unfortunately, there will be no Dockside Gallery pic today, as I am tired and jetlagged. Sorry.

Belated Happy Earth Day, everyone!


- H94
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 27 April 2019, 17:29:48
Hi H94  ;D

Great to see you back and happy to hear that you had a great vacation. OW withdrawal symptoms - nothing you can do about that now - addiction can be severe  ;) ;)

We'll look forward to a gallery entry when you've got your mind back in step with your local clocks  :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 27 April 2019, 18:58:57
Welcome home !
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 27 April 2019, 20:39:23
I'm glad that you're back! Jet-lagged! The Garden State then?

I had the same OW withdrawals when I was in Menlo Park, CA.  ;)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 28 April 2019, 06:23:51
No, the Empire State!
I was visiting my older brother, who lives in Cold Spring Harbor. We did a lot of stuff in NYC, such as the Botanical Gardens in the Bronx, a boat tour around Manhattan, several museums, and walking around Fifth Avenue and Brooklyn.
It was really great, we both enjoyed it a lot. I'm so glad I had the idea, and we were able to take time off for it.
And we got really lucky with the weather - there was only one bad rainy day, the rest were sunny or cloudy.
I'll be posting some pictures in a few days.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 28 April 2019, 07:32:37
Looking forward to seeing those - I went to NY back in about 1982.  :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 28 April 2019, 10:21:30
Wow, New York City! What a great place to spend some time. I was there, just for three days, back in 1971. It wasn't long enough. We took the boat tour around Manhattan, and we climbed to the crown of the Statue of Liberty. We couldn't go up to the torch, they were doing some work on it at the time.

Here are some photos from September, 1971, the Labour Day weekend. It will be interesting to see how much has changed. You can see it was very hazy. I wonder if the air is cleaner now.

(https://i.imgur.com/EAdD1ZL.jpg?2)

(https://i.imgur.com/u2amh0N.jpg?1)

(https://i.imgur.com/w4NEd70.jpg?2)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Dean on 30 April 2019, 17:46:17
Glad you enjoyed our State. I'm at the other end near Niagara Falls.   ;)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 30 April 2019, 22:49:02
The Climate-Friendly Vegetable You Ought to Eat
Kelp is delicious and versatile, and farming it is actively good for the ocean. (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/30/dining/kelp-seaweed-recipes.html?emc=edit_ne_20190430&nl=evening-briefing&nlid=7926703920190430&te=1)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 01 May 2019, 07:50:26
The Climate-Friendly Vegetable You Ought to Eat
Kelp is delicious and versatile, and farming it is actively good for the ocean. (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/30/dining/kelp-seaweed-recipes.html?emc=edit_ne_20190430&nl=evening-briefing&nlid=7926703920190430&te=1)

Oh yummy yummy.  I like seaweed.
Sheep that have been fed on kelp and/or dulse fetch a high price. It's a relatively common thing to do in the Scottish Isles I understand.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 01 May 2019, 08:56:32
Here are the promised images from NYC.

(https://i.imgur.com/p8yNLan.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/9uLITNN.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/6odUhG3.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/3s0RSK7.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/VXmsF95.jpg)

This is the USS Intrepid - once a mighty warship, now an Air & Space museum. Visiting her was one of my favorite parts of the trip!

It will be interesting to see how much has changed. You can see it was very hazy. I wonder if the air is cleaner now.

We had very good weather! It was mostly sunny or mix of sun and clouds, only two rainy days - and one of them was the return trip day.
I really enjoyed it, and so did my brother - we're definitely gonna do more trips like it in the future.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 01 May 2019, 09:59:20
I am glad you had a great time!
I would have loved the museums (especially the USS Intrepid) and the botanical gardens too!
Is the picture of the lake (pond, stream) from the botanical gardens?
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 01 May 2019, 11:48:37
The air looks much cleaner! It sounds like a great trip.  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 01 May 2019, 11:57:09
A global survey finds that the Arctic Ocean is a hot spot for viruses (https://www.sciencenews.org/article/global-survey-arctic-ocean-viruses?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=latest-newsletter-v2&utm_source=Latest_Headlines&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Latest_Headlines)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 01 May 2019, 18:20:48
A global survey finds that the Arctic Ocean is a hot spot for viruses (https://www.sciencenews.org/article/global-survey-arctic-ocean-viruses?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=latest-newsletter-v2&utm_source=Latest_Headlines&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Latest_Headlines)

But all is well for the article quotes ?So you can swim in the ocean and not worry about it,?.  I'm trying to picture swimming in the Arctic Ocean...brrrr!
However, joking apart, if those viruses can knock bacteria on the head there may be a whole new form of medicine coming our way?  ;) :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 02 May 2019, 13:15:45
However, joking apart, if those viruses can knock bacteria on the head there may be a whole new form of medicine coming our way?  ;) :D
Hopefully!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 02 May 2019, 13:17:46
Hippo poop cycles silicon through the East African environment (https://www.sciencenews.org/article/hippo-poop-cycles-silicon-through-east-african-environment?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=latest-newsletter-v2&utm_source=Latest_Headlines&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Latest_Headlines)
;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 03 May 2019, 08:27:33
Hippo poop cycles silicon through the East African environment (https://www.sciencenews.org/article/hippo-poop-cycles-silicon-through-east-african-environment?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=latest-newsletter-v2&utm_source=Latest_Headlines&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Latest_Headlines)
;D

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 05 May 2019, 14:42:27
Here are some more pictures from NYC - I finally had the time to go through and organize them properly.

(https://i.imgur.com/2UQyv0d.jpg)

There were several unusually-shaped buildings in Manhattan - such as this one that looks like a Jenga tower!
Dunno if it's a New York thing or a general architectural trend.

(https://i.imgur.com/xYz4orF.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/WmPMoVm.jpg)

The Hudson River is pretty huge - and over 500 kilometers long!

(https://i.imgur.com/2zcppf1.jpg)

Central Park is such an amazing place - parts of it feel like total wilderness, quite a contrast to all the skyscrapers!

(https://i.imgur.com/i1NzqyW.jpg)

Is this supposed to be intimidating?

(https://i.imgur.com/CkayOrt.jpg)

Comparison between humans (left) and chimps at one year of age: There's already pretty big differences, especially in brain size!

(https://i.imgur.com/kLYdfAs.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/4NdS89i.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/rhVdK8o.jpg)

Some nice flowers from the Botanical Gardens - the jade-colored ones in the last photo are quite something! I've never seen that color in a plant before.

(https://i.imgur.com/u49Bw5k.jpg)

At the Botanical Gardens, we also spotted a snake eating a frog!
We think the snake won, as the frog put up quite a fight, but eventually stopped moving - perhaps the venom took a while to work (Garter snakes do produce venom, it's just too little and too mild to affect humans)

We also went to the Morgan Library, which had a great exhibit on J. R. R. Tolkien - they had a bunch of his drawings and sketches and letters and stuff.
That was really great - usually, you only get to see the finished product of creative efforts, so it was really interesting to see early drafts of characters and locations, or a map with notes in pencil and ink, held together by tape because it was used so often!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 05 May 2019, 15:06:43
Wonderful pictures! Where is that helmet(?) from?
Sounds like you really had a good time.
I love museums - botanical gardens too!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 06 May 2019, 15:42:39
Wonderful pictures! Where is that helmet(?) from?

From the Metropolitan Museum of Art - they have an Arms & Armor section with a lot of weapons and armor from Europe and Japan.
Many of them were ceremonial, or gifts for rulers, so they had an insane amount of decoration!
And yes, I did have a great time. If you ever make it to NYC, Randi, you should definitely go for the Natural History Museum, the KGB Museum, the Intrepid Air & Space Museum and the Botanical Gardens.
And a boat ride around Manhattan. That was one of my favorite parts of the trip.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 07 May 2019, 15:08:29
We seem to have a new icon image on the tabs for OW - or am I imagining things?
 :-\

(https://i.imgur.com/4NnUm8q.png)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Thursday Next on 07 May 2019, 16:22:37
I've got that icon showing up all over the place in my bookmarks, not just OW.  But Chrome does seem to be quite arbitrary as to what icon it attaches to any individual bookmark!  It seems to change them all after any Windows update, then corrects the icon if I actually access the site.  ???
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 07 May 2019, 17:06:53
I've got that icon showing up all over the place in my bookmarks, not just OW.  But Chrome does seem to be quite arbitrary as to what icon it attaches to any individual bookmark!  It seems to change them all after any Windows update, then corrects the icon if I actually access the site.  ???

Oh right! Thanks :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 07 May 2019, 19:43:29
That symbol seems to like me. Have not tried the right thing to get rid of it yet?   :-[
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 08 May 2019, 13:16:04
Wonderful pictures! Where is that helmet(?) from?

From the Metropolitan Museum of Art - they have an Arms & Armor section with a lot of weapons and armor from Europe and Japan.
Many of them were ceremonial, or gifts for rulers, so they had an insane amount of decoration!
And yes, I did have a great time. If you ever make it to NYC, Randi, you should definitely go for the Natural History Museum, the KGB Museum, the Intrepid Air & Space Museum and the Botanical Gardens.
And a boat ride around Manhattan. That was one of my favorite parts of the trip.

Did they still have the Japanese Garden section please hanibal? It was there in about 1981. They were calling it a temporary exhibit, but it was due to be there for about 3/4 years. The courtyard that formed the garden had rooms full of the most magnificent kimonos.  :D
I loved the Met Museum. Everything was displayed in such an interesting way.
I didn't get to the most of those museums. I wish that I had gone to them from what you say.  :D  I went to the Frick Collection which was good, but rather Victorian. Is the botanic in Central Park then?  :D

Quote
We also went to the Morgan Library, which had a great exhibit on J. R. R. Tolkien - they had a bunch of his drawings and sketches and letters and stuff.
That was really great - usually, you only get to see the finished product of creative efforts, so it was really interesting to see early drafts of characters and locations, or a map with notes in pencil and ink, held together by tape because it was used so often!

Now I'm green with jealousy  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 08 May 2019, 13:38:30
Aha! That explains the odd green glow in the eastern sky!
You may have noticed an odd green glow in the western sky ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 08 May 2019, 17:06:34
Aha! That explains the odd green glow in the eastern sky!
You may have noticed an odd green glow in the western sky ;D

 ;D ;D ;D  Yep!

When I worked at the English Faculty I was good friends with the academic in charge of Tolkien's papers. She had to come out of the phone book when the films came out.  ::)  I got some wonderful letters correcting Tolkein's understanding of Elvish.  ;)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 08 May 2019, 23:29:32
Just a few pics from my recent caravan trip with Janeece.
We also saw a multicoloured glow on the horizon, it was a Balloon glow.  ;D  and visited a Japanese Garden.

 Caravan trip  (https://imgur.com/a/8VWuC43)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 09 May 2019, 00:13:47
I get a very impressive painted silo, but if I click Next Post I get something from FrozenFoodGuy :(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 09 May 2019, 02:25:03
Hi Randi

Just scroll down through the 9 pics. No Next Post
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 09 May 2019, 09:26:06
::) :-[
;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Dean on 09 May 2019, 10:38:17
Looks like it was a great trip!!   8)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 09 May 2019, 14:36:14
I'm jealous. It did look like a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 14 May 2019, 16:16:43
Thought I'd post this over here because it's still making me chuckle....
Lucretia 1882-3 Log Section F 25th August 1883 (https://archive.org/details/lucretiasteambar00lucr/page/147)
The Lucretia and the other members of the Steamer fleete of whalers have been hanging around Point Barrow for a while getting boxed in by ice. There's been no mention of any whaling action for a few weeks when suddenly one whale strays into their area...I so hope it got away. Certainly the Lucretia did not get it. In fact the Fleete enjoyed lots of thick fog that year, that far north, nice for the whales ;)

And then she discovers a new definition of desperate...

'Saw one whale 15 or 20 Boats down'

(https://i.imgur.com/AqNSRBI.png)

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 17 May 2019, 07:43:40
There's a fascinating piece about the role of the Met Office in the D-Day landings to mark 75 years since that event. I knew that the weather was marginal that day, but the weather charts are amazing.  :)

One fact mentioned states 'Now Met Office meteorologists use one of the most powerful supercomputers in the world, which can do more than 1000 trillion calculations a second, to help produce forecasts.' Now - all you OW statistics folks - given the number of transcriptions we've done, how much of a second do we take up please?  :D

75th anniversary of the D-Day landings and the role of the Met Office (https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/about-us/who/our-history/d-day-75th-anniversary)

(https://i.imgur.com/8SUhWAK.png)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 17 May 2019, 12:11:09
8)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 17 May 2019, 12:46:27
 8) 8)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 18 May 2019, 00:24:10
Milton (jd570b) has not been transcribing recently due to circumstances beyond his control :'( :'( :'(
Today (18'th) is his birthday, so...


Happy Birthday
Milton !


(http://smallforbig.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/soopsori_cakeset04_1.jpg)
A birthday cake for a woodworker!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hurlock on 18 May 2019, 01:30:48
Happy Birthday Milton
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 18 May 2019, 03:06:38
Best wishes Milton from Pommystuart.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 18 May 2019, 14:29:30
Happy Birthday, Milton!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Caro on 18 May 2019, 15:52:02
(https://crowsfeetcupcakesandcellulite.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/wooden-birthday-cake-with-candles-great-reserved-custom-listing-for-andrea-wood-birthday-cake-slice-of-wooden-birthday-cake-with-candles.jpg)

Best wishes Milton.  :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 18 May 2019, 16:15:59
A happy birthday to you Milton!

(https://i.imgur.com/Ft2eJXF.png)

:D :D :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 19 May 2019, 03:45:48
(https://cdn001.cakecentral.com/gallery/2015/03/900_778028C8Zj_happy-birthday-for-the-woodworker.jpg)

Happy Birthday, Milton!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Dean on 19 May 2019, 19:28:17
Happy Birthday, Milton!!!

(https://i.imgur.com/mtV7DWE.jpg). (https://i.imgur.com/HXKEJUZ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/w90v0mz.jpg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 23 May 2019, 10:10:21
Belated
Happy Birthday
Tegwen !


(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nu0FXBTwmpA/TMcRqooPpNI/AAAAAAAAB8k/hA2YOTLJ5EM/s1600/beehive+cake.jpg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 23 May 2019, 10:36:30
Yes,

Happy Birthday, Tegwen!!!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 23 May 2019, 16:51:35
A very happy birthday Tegwen!!
Enjoy some yummy white chocolate cake  ;) ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/pA0YTrY.png)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 23 May 2019, 20:56:42
(Sorry, Keith! I couldn't resist a bit of cake :-[)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 24 May 2019, 11:22:39
Happy Birthday, Tegwen!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 24 May 2019, 11:30:27
(Sorry, Keith! I couldn't resist a bit of cake :-[)

I couldn't resist it either - it started with 4 layers   ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D   We've saved Keith's waistline :D (just don't mention mine!  ;D ;D ;D)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Kevin on 28 May 2019, 00:34:34
Up in Utqiagvik (aka Barrow) on the first part of the annual field work pilgrimage. I'm staying in a hotel across the street from the old Whaler's Refuge, and beyond that the shore-fast ice lingers. From here its easy to imagine the Bear anchored in the open water just beyond. Except for the fact that the ice pack should still be down in the Bering Sea this time of year.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 28 May 2019, 08:35:06
Up in Utqiagvik (aka Barrow) on the first part of the annual field work pilgrimage. I'm staying in a hotel across the street from the old Whaler's Refuge, and beyond that the shore-fast ice lingers. From here its easy to imagine the Bear anchored in the open water just beyond. Except for the fact that the ice pack should still be down in the Bering Sea this time of year.

Have a great field trip Kevin. I bet the old Whalers Refuge is an interesting place? Or is it just run down now?  :-\

Well the Lucretia (just been working on her) was near-ish Cape Navarin (Mys Navarin) on the 28th May 1884 (https://archive.org/details/lucretiasteambar00lucr/page/195) (62.27774, -179.09604) and she was stuck fast in ice. Seems you'd normally expect more ice at that point further to the west, but even so...

(https://i.imgur.com/1WH3Uo3.png)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 28 May 2019, 09:40:30
The times they are a-changin!  :'(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 28 May 2019, 13:01:35
The times they are a-changin!  :'(

I'll join you Michael  :'(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Kevin on 28 May 2019, 16:55:52
Where's Waldo? https://noaapmel.smugmug.com/Public/Arctic-Heat/Arctic-Heat-2019/
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 28 May 2019, 17:10:41
Thanks, Kevin!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Kevin on 28 May 2019, 17:32:14
Whaler's Refuge, a few days ago:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10219421800476145&set=a.1096854422019&type=3&eid=ARD4D7TJFgEggvt8Sxnxzya_2jJLe8-bpz192O5u6Tb_gTeFecQ6AseGshWJMU1QyK2yCiCM7oSehD7P
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 28 May 2019, 17:40:00
Where's Waldo? https://noaapmel.smugmug.com/Public/Arctic-Heat/Arctic-Heat-2019/
Thanks Kevin -  beautiful pictures - sad absence of ice for sure.  :(

I can't get to the facebook page with the Whaler Refuge on it, sadly. Is there any other way of sending it please - but don't take precious time over this. I bet you've got loads to do!

Joan  :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 28 May 2019, 17:45:27
Whaler's Refuge, a few days ago:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10219421800476145&set=a.1096854422019&type=3&eid=ARD4D7TJFgEggvt8Sxnxzya_2jJLe8-bpz192O5u6Tb_gTeFecQ6AseGshWJMU1QyK2yCiCM7oSehD7P

It isn't working for me either...
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Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 28 May 2019, 17:46:46
This is what I get:

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Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 28 May 2019, 23:46:11
Here is Kevin's picture:

(https://i.imgur.com/OXJPh7q.jpg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Kevin on 29 May 2019, 00:27:18
I stopped going down there though 'cause p-bears kept popping up from the beach...
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 29 May 2019, 08:21:27
Great picture - thank you Kevin and Randi.

And the polar bears weren't there to play peek-a-boo I bet!  :o
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 30 May 2019, 10:27:03
You can see the open water just past the shore fast ice. I was just transcribing Bear for 1923. She reported ice near Nome on June 10, which is 400 miles south of Barrow.  :'(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 30 May 2019, 12:09:59
I spotted that too Michael. I've had a few reports from the early 1880s of finding a bit of free water between the pack and the land. Hmmmm.  :'(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 30 May 2019, 16:17:07
I had one where the Bear had to use dogsleds on the ice to transport people and supplies between her and Nome - don't think they would need to do that today  :(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 30 May 2019, 16:24:16
Yes, I saw a couple of pages saying ice kept them out of a harbor :'(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 01 June 2019, 08:59:45

Happy Birthday
Helen !


(https://hungryquebbie.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/img_0484.jpg?w=675&h=382)

To Make a Rich Seed Cake Called the Nun's Cake (https://recipes.history.org/2011/11/to-make-a-rich-seed-cake-called-the-nuns-cake/)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: jil on 01 June 2019, 09:24:08
Happy Birthday, Helen!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 01 June 2019, 10:29:50
Happy  Birthday, Helen!!!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 01 June 2019, 11:02:00


(https://i.imgur.com/rEVmO4T.png)

"...and the card reads 'Happy Birthday Helen'"
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 01 June 2019, 11:08:04
(VERY, VERY GOOD, Joan)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 01 June 2019, 11:16:54
(You set the standard Randi  ;D)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 01 June 2019, 12:07:28
Happy Birthday, Helen! Hope you get to do something fun.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Thursday Next on 01 June 2019, 14:43:57
Many Happy Returns, Helen!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Caro on 01 June 2019, 15:51:42
Helen

(http://bestanimations.com/Holidays/Birthday/birthdaygifs/happy-birthday-colorful-type-animated-gif.gif)

(again ;))

Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Helen J on 01 June 2019, 16:41:08
Thank you all for your birthday greetings, and the very clever pictures.  The cake looks interesting (though I suspect nuns weren't not meant to have anything richer than a rich seed cake, in which case I've failed drastically ....).

I'm in Edinburgh with my mother, and we went out for a very splendid meal at lunchtime, so I've celebrated suitably.

I really do have good intentions about getting back here, finishing off the editing I'm doing, and getting on with something else .... (but you know where good intentions lead!)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Dean on 02 June 2019, 19:39:43
Helen:

(https://i.imgur.com/mtV7DWE.jpg).   (https://i.imgur.com/HXKEJUZ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Pe4VikM.jpg).      (https://i.imgur.com/w90v0mz.jpg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Helen J on 04 June 2019, 09:29:04
Thank you Dean - what have I done to deserve four greetings?
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 04 June 2019, 13:59:37
Thank you Dean - what have I done to deserve four greetings?

You have contributed to four phases of OW: 1,2,3 and RN history editing  ;)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 04 June 2019, 15:48:13
Thank you Dean - what have I done to deserve four greetings?

You have contributed to four phases of OW: 1,2,3 and RN history editing  ;)

Of course! ;D

(Nice one hanibal  ;D)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 04 June 2019, 16:20:32
Good answer, Hanibal!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Dean on 04 June 2019, 19:31:51
Thank you Dean - what have I done to deserve four greetings?

I thought for all your work with us and your always good advice & humour you deserved four greetings.   ;)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Helen J on 05 June 2019, 10:44:24
Thank you all - having (finally) got back to editing the Laburnum yesterday, I'm feeling rather less guilty again ....
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 07 June 2019, 09:51:20
Sitting tight on a nest during a rainy day in Oxford...Swift-cam is back...  :)

https://oumnh.ox.ac.uk/swifts-in-the-tower-0
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 07 June 2019, 10:18:15
 :) :) :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 09 June 2019, 13:25:28
Stuart is currently enjoying the mountain air at Wengen Switzerland.
Norway nexr then UK, then home then back to OW early July.

Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 09 June 2019, 14:22:42
Another alligator? Pittsburgh officials this time capture reptile in Carrick  (https://www.post-gazette.com/local/city/2019/06/08/alligator-Pittsburgh-capture-reptile-in-Carrick/stories/201906080049?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=editors-picks-local-frontpage&utm_campaign=Headlines-Newsletter)
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Pittsburgh is becoming the new Alligator Alley.
City public safety officials have once again captured an alligator, the third one found in Pittsburgh in the past month.
Police responded about 6:15 p.m. after a 2.5-foot alligator was found on a porch of a home in the 300 block of East Agnew Street in Carrick.
Officers were able to get the gator into a box, then took it to the Zone 3 police station in Allentown.
Animal control officers took the reptile from there to Humane Animal Rescue in Homewood.
No one was injured.
This was the third alligator discovered roaming the Steel City since May 18, and the second one this week.
A 5- to 6-foot-long alligator was found on Sebring Street in Beechview on Thursday evening.
Also, authorities captured a 3-foot-long alligator at the South Side Riverfront Park on May 18.
Police believe the previous two alligators discovered in the city were discarded pets.
Information about where the third gator came from was not immediately available.
Pittsburgh, of course, is far too north to be an alligator habitat. They could survive Pittsburgh summers, but not winters.
U.S. alligators live wild most commonly in Florida and Louisiana.
The latest alligator incident does not appear to be related to the previous two, according to police.
Police remind residents that anyone who encounters an alligator or other loose exotic animal should never approach it. Instead, call 911.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 09 June 2019, 14:27:56
Or perhaps it's yet another sign that we're warming up? Perhaps Florida is too hot?!  :-\
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 09 June 2019, 15:04:08
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Helen J on 11 June 2019, 15:36:39
Stuart is currently enjoying the mountain air at Wengen Switzerland.
Norway nexr then UK, then home then back to OW early July.

Have a great holiday, Stuart - sounds like an interesting trip!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 12 June 2019, 12:59:07
Stuart is currently enjoying the mountain air at Wengen Switzerland.
Norway nexr then UK, then home then back to OW early July.

Have a great holiday, Stuart - sounds like an interesting trip!

And if you could bring some decent weather with you, Stuart, that would be great.  :D  Last year we were going through a heatwave and drought. We just headed back to winter  ::)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 13 June 2019, 00:35:07

Happy Birthday
Hanibal94 !


(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5c/7e/fc/5c7efc084bdd4fdc1d158bf53820c07f.jpg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hurlock on 13 June 2019, 01:00:57
Happy Birthday
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: jil on 13 June 2019, 01:59:25
Happy Birthday!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Caro on 13 June 2019, 02:38:49
H A P P Y   B I R T H D A Y    H A N I B A L  :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 13 June 2019, 09:03:21
Have a fabulous and dashing birthday Hanibal   ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/yOPZRX6.png?1)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 13 June 2019, 09:05:13
(Randi - that cake is EPIC !!!  8) 8) 8) )
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 13 June 2019, 10:52:47
Happy Birthday, Hanibal!!!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: studentforever on 13 June 2019, 12:55:17
Not quite sure where to post this so do feel free to re-position it.
The good old Beeb has reported this fab new map of Greenland which may be of interest to those of you whose ships are round there

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-48611983
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 13 June 2019, 13:03:57
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-48611983

Very sobering details. It sounds like too much of it will match its name  :-[ :-\ :(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Thursday Next on 13 June 2019, 15:48:05
Happy Birthday, Hanibal!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Dean on 13 June 2019, 19:24:03
Happy Birthday Hanibal!!

  (https://i.imgur.com/kURjQ7T.jpg)    (https://i.imgur.com/aVXZ1jZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Helen J on 14 June 2019, 06:59:18
Happy (belated) birthday, hannibal!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 14 June 2019, 08:25:06
For all those who recall the worrying time that the Jeannette had being circled around the Arctic in pack ice for 18 months...some new folk are taking up the scientific benefits of being stuck in frozen sea water....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/science/arctic-sea-ice-expedition-to-study-climate-change/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f8bff7186f76
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Tegwen on 14 June 2019, 09:03:30
(Sorry, Keith! I couldn't resist a bit of cake :-[)

I couldn't resist it either - it started with 4 layers   ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D   We've saved Keith's waistline :D (just don't mention mine!  ;D ;D ;D)

Belated thank you all so much for the birthday wishes. I have to admit that I didnt see them when they were posted as I was away for a while, mainly with work.

Thanks also to Randi for the link, I am amazed how well you chaps manage & keep the forum going & clearly know who has checked which post. You are an amazing crew.

My waistline suffered significantly without the cake!!

Thank you all.

Keith
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Tegwen on 14 June 2019, 09:35:08
I have just bought something amazing from Ebay, almost without realising it.

It was advertised as a photo album of HMS Yarmouth pictures, with no indication of the number of photos & only a couple of pictures to show the type. As I had some pictures already from HMS Yarmouth's post war trip round South Africa I was interested, and managed to get the album for what I think was a good price. If it was just Yarmouth post war it would have been a reasonably good buy.

However, the album is over 300 photos, half of which are from HMS Espiegle starting just before WW1 & going right through the Mesopotamia Campaign, including pictures of all those ships that we transcribed, such as the Blosse Lynch, Massoudieh etc. It includes pictures of the launch of some of those Insect class gunboarts at Abadan. Also pictures of actions against the Turks, and their aftermath. Also copies of captured Turkish telegaph communications. A real historical treasure.

Just a bit of a shame that we dont have Espiegle's logs from the Mesopotamia campaign as we do for Clio & Odin, as well as for some of the gunboats. It will be difficult to identify some dates etc, but many I will be able to find as the ships tended to work together, at least in the early stages of the Mesopotamia campaign.

The advertisement did not even mention Espiegle, let alone the Mesopotamia campaign, so all this was a huge bonus for me.

I have never seen any of the pictures before, so I think they are entirely unpublished, with the possible exception of a couple of Yarmouth in the Panama Canal. The quality is variable, but some are the best quality pictures of that age that I have ever seen & all are in good condition.

I now have masses of work to do identifying dates & researching people, ships etc. It shouldnt be hard to identify who took them as there cant be many officers who were on both HMS ESPIEGLE & HMS YARMOUTH.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 14 June 2019, 09:38:39
 ;)

A belated birthday present ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 14 June 2019, 09:58:16
For all those who recall the worrying time that the Jeannette had being circled around the Arctic in pack ice for 18 months...some new folk are taking up the scientific benefits of being stuck in frozen sea water....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/science/arctic-sea-ice-expedition-to-study-climate-change/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f8bff7186f76

Very interesting! Thank you, Joan.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: jil on 14 June 2019, 11:23:19
I have just bought something amazing from Ebay, almost without realising it.

It was advertised as a photo album of HMS Yarmouth pictures, with no indication of the number of photos & only a couple of pictures to show the type. As I had some pictures already from HMS Yarmouth's post war trip round South Africa I was interested, and managed to get the album for what I think was a good price. If it was just Yarmouth post war it would have been a reasonably good buy.

However, the album is over 300 photos, half of which are from HMS Espiegle starting just before WW1 & going right through the Mesopotamia Campaign, including pictures of all those ships that we transcribed, such as the Blosse Lynch, Massoudieh etc. It includes pictures of the launch of some of those Insect class gunboarts at Abadan. Also pictures of actions against the Turks, and their aftermath. Also copies of captured Turkish telegaph communications. A real historical treasure.

Just a bit of a shame that we dont have Espiegle's logs from the Mesopotamia campaign as we do for Clio & Odin, as well as for some of the gunboats. It will be difficult to identify some dates etc, but many I will be able to find as the ships tended to work together, at least in the early stages of the Mesopotamia campaign.

The advertisement did not even mention Espiegle, let alone the Mesopotamia campaign, so all this was a huge bonus for me.

I have never seen any of the pictures before, so I think they are entirely unpublished, with the possible exception of a couple of Yarmouth in the Panama Canal. The quality is variable, but some are the best quality pictures of that age that I have ever seen & all are in good condition.

I now have masses of work to do identifying dates & researching people, ships etc. It shouldnt be hard to identify who took them as there cant be many officers who were on both HMS ESPIEGLE & HMS YARMOUTH.
8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 14 June 2019, 12:43:10
What a wonderful purchase Tegwen! I bet you lost some time turning those pages :D  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 14 June 2019, 13:17:33
Thanks very much for all the birthday wishes, everyone!

It was very nice. I went with my parents to our favorite restaurant downtown - a really good but really expensive tapas place.
I ate too much, because it was all so good - still felt stuffed hours later!

Also, I have a nice summer break coming up: Next week on Sunday, I fly to New Jersey for 3.5 weeks to see my maternal grandparents, and go to the ocean and stuff like we always have.
And in August, I'll be spending two weeks in Oregon and Washington with my dad and brother. We're gonna do a bunch of hikes on the Olympic Peninsula - I know a lot of places around there from the Bear's logs, so it will be very interesting to see some of them in person!



That's quite an amazing find, Keith! I wonder if any museums would be interested?
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hurlock on 15 June 2019, 02:25:58
I am taking a few days break to take my youngest son Travis on holiday to Blackpool as a treat for finishing his school exams.  Blackpool is a traditional northern English seaside resort full of trams and fairgrounds both of which he loves.  Travis has done really well to stay in mainstream education this long as he has a condition called Apert Syndrome which effects his physical and mental abilities and he has always needed to have a lot of time off for surgeries and appointments.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 15 June 2019, 10:01:27
(https://openclipart.org/image/2400px/svg_to_png/269936/Gold-Star-Fractal-No-Background.png)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 15 June 2019, 10:44:40
Wow Travis! You got one of Randi's HUGE gold stars - fantastic! Well done. I hope you enjoy Blackpool - you must be very brave  ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 15 June 2019, 11:33:26
I hope you both really enjoy Blackpool. I was there in 1956, and I still remember how much fun it was. And,of course, Blackpool Rock!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: studentforever on 15 June 2019, 12:53:38
If it is a fine day do go up the Tower. I remember the view was fantastic when I was a kid in the North West of England. You are at the wrong time for the illuminations but you can try the trams. Fish and chips taste better when eaten out of newspaper (alas no more) with the fingers in a force 6 wind (watch out for seagulls). Nostalgia ain't what it used to be!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 19 June 2019, 15:54:32
Mozilla releases emergency patch for zero-day exploit in Firefox (https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/06/18/firefox_zero_day_patch/)

The fixed version is 67.0.3. I highly recommend updating at once, especially as the flaw is being exploited!
Updating Firefox is easy: On Windows, open the hamburger menu (upper right), then choose "Help" in the menu, then "About Firefox".
On Mac, make sure Firefox is the currently active application, then click on "Firefox" in the upper left, next to the Apple symbol, and select "About Firefox".

That will start the update process. When it is done, all you gotta do is restart Firefox, and it will be fixed.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 19 June 2019, 17:08:40
Thank you Hanibal  :D - I'm off to do  that straightaway :o



Phew - I was already updated  :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 19 June 2019, 19:32:19
Thank you Hanibal  :D - I'm off to do  that straightaway :o



Phew - I was already updated  :D

Ditto



Ditto ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 20 June 2019, 00:37:03

Happy Birthday
SPHolmes !


(https://www.globalsugarart.com/newsimages/whaleOnlay_MG_0022_bottom1.jpg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 20 June 2019, 07:16:43

A very happy birthday to you SPHolmes!!

(https://i.imgur.com/oZoZ4yi.png?1)

;D ;D ;D



(That is a stunning cake Randi :D :D :D) I hope we've found our cake knife?
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 20 June 2019, 10:18:01
(I gave it away for our own good :'()
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 20 June 2019, 10:41:12
Happy Birthday, SPHolmes.


(https://theredbootquiltcompany.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/bigger-faceplant-cake.jpg)

As for the cake knife, I'm not sure that was well thought out, Randi.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 20 June 2019, 13:29:39
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 20 June 2019, 14:17:29
Hyenas roamed the Arctic during the last ice age (https://www.sciencenews.org/article/hyenas-arctic-ice-age-land-bridge)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 20 June 2019, 14:27:58
 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 20 June 2019, 15:57:04
Happy Birthday, SPHolmes!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 20 June 2019, 16:43:28
Hyenas roamed the Arctic during the last ice age (https://www.sciencenews.org/article/hyenas-arctic-ice-age-land-bridge)

 :o Well that's just made the last ice age a whole heap happier  ::)  Sabre tooth tigers, massive mammoths,  and now fast running hyenas...  ;)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: SPHolmes on 21 June 2019, 14:01:32

Happy Birthday
SPHolmes !


(https://www.globalsugarart.com/newsimages/whaleOnlay_MG_0022_bottom1.jpg)
Thank you very much ! I'm afraid I'm writing a climate emergency plan at present so a bit distracted! Thanks for all your good wishes!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 21 June 2019, 14:27:32
Thank you very much ! I'm afraid I'm writing a climate emergency plan at present so a bit distracted! Thanks for all your good wishes!

 :o  8)  8)
We'll put the cake away for a bit if you are writing a climate emergency plan! Any way we can help?  :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Maikel on 22 June 2019, 03:55:53
I stumbled across the following, which might interest you. :)

Ernest Gold and the First Operational Military Forecast 24 October 1916

The Meteorological Office was not involved in military forecasting from the outbreak of the First World War.
Although support was offered at the outbreak of the war the response from the British Army was that 'the army does not go to war with umbrellas'.
Attitudes changed following losses in the air and on the ground and the deployment of gas as a weapon on the battlefield.

Read the whole article here:
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/library-and-archive/archive-hidden-treasures/first-military-forecast
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: studentforever on 22 June 2019, 04:37:23
Sounds typical of the military. I remember reading about the dispute between the Brits and Yanks over the timing of D-day, the Yanks didn't believe in the short window of good weather where we established the beach head. The responsibility of that decision is awesome, if they had got it wrong thousands more men would have died for next to nothing. But they went with the Brits and as we know now they got it more or less right.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 22 June 2019, 11:04:52
A very interesting article. Thank you, Maikel.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 22 June 2019, 17:59:08
Goodbye, Chrome: Google's web browser has become spy software (https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/06/21/google-chrome-has-become-surveillance-software-its-time-switch/)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: studentforever on 22 June 2019, 19:27:10
Interesting, I've used Firefox for a while but by reading the link I downloaded a whopping 'storage' and number of cookies to avoid paying a subsription! Despite having pretty high privacy settings I now routinely review the cookies every time I clear my cache - it makes sobering reading, especially since I have no idea what most of them do. It's is quite amazing how many sources like Britannica, the Universities, your bank, the good old Beeb etc etc will download onto your receptive computer. Even the Met Office gradually increases the size of its privacy request until you can hardly read the info unless you agree to let it download cookies. Google itself keeps demanding that you reset your cookie preferences unless you open a Google account when it will condescend to 'remember' your preferences - no doubt by downloading another load of cookies. There are times I feel like reverting to visiting libraries in person, except that they are going more and more to on-line searching rather than printed resources anyway and you probably have even less control over the privacy there which will be subject to centralised settings. Anyone else for the goldfish bowl future?
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 23 June 2019, 10:48:43
All very sobering. I'm still having fun messing with their minds - but I would be very unhappy to find myself struggling with them for some rights. I don't know how, but it's got to be possible to curb these monsters  :-\

I'm with DuckDuckGo now
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 23 June 2019, 11:16:48
Me, too, as of one minute ago. Thanks, Joan!  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 23 June 2019, 11:38:49
Me, too, as of one minute ago. Thanks, Joan!  :) :) :)

 :D :D :D

And I thank Randi who came up with DuckDuckGo  ;) 8)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 23 June 2019, 12:08:12
;D

I have been very happy with Firefox.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Thursday Next on 23 June 2019, 14:09:57
I thought Duck Duck Go was part of the Dark Web?
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 23 June 2019, 14:12:42
Not as far as I know :o

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Thursday Next on 23 June 2019, 16:00:53
It's the search engine you use on the Tor browser, as mentioned in the Wikipedia article.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 23 June 2019, 16:30:41
True, you can use it with Tor, but I started using it long ago because Firefox recommended it.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 23 June 2019, 16:45:49
I use duckduckgo with firefox too  :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Helen J on 27 June 2019, 10:23:51
Just downloaded it - thanks for the reminder.  As a duck lover this is a no brainer!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 29 June 2019, 10:47:36
Here's a nice article (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-23242953) about the man who founded numerical meteorology.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 29 June 2019, 13:01:19
Check the lightening in Scotland just now!!

http://en.blitzortung.org/live_lightning_maps.php?map=12


ouch!! :o
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 29 June 2019, 13:39:04
I recall one evening when I was working in the Alberta Weather Centre. We had 43,000 lightning strikes in about four hours Our lightning detector would beep each time it detected a lightning strike. It wasn't a series of beeps, it was a continuous scream.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Helen J on 29 June 2019, 13:40:37
Wow - suspect this may be heading my way too.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: studentforever on 29 June 2019, 15:50:23
It was weird, quite a few flashes this afternoon but no real thunder, rain quite light as well. It's quietened down now but the radio was really crackling in the car when I was bringing the shopping home.

I remember one August night, must have been 40 years ago or more and we had a magnificent dry thunder storm. My parents were visiting and we went up onto a car park towards the top of the Gleniffer Braes and watched the display over Ben Lomond - the whole thing must have lasted for 2 or 3 hours.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 29 June 2019, 18:04:24
Gosh - you folks have been through some amazing lightening storms then!

I just took this snap of the infrared satellite view - you can see that astonishingly dense lightening storm cloud clearing off into the North Sea (pity any fishermen out there tonight  :-[ ). The rest of the country looks fairly quiet - time for bed for me. Hopefully a quiet night  ;) Sleep well all...  :)

(https://i.imgur.com/rApnHjY.png)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 04 July 2019, 11:55:03
Rodgers was done in OW Phase III, but I wanted to re-calculate her voyage, so I went through her logs again just for Course and Direction data. This was probably posted during Phase II, but here it is once more for all the new people:

Wednesday, November 30, 1881
65.64, -170.87

Quote
At 8.45 A.M. the alarm of fire was given with position of fire from forward. Attached hose at once and connected Steam and Main force pumps - Fire located in lower fore hold on port side. Battened down hatches, two streams of water playing in fore hold. Connected up main boilers & started fires under main boilers - Smoke not allowing donkey  boiler to be fired - Broke connection with Main Steam pipe from donkey boiler, and attached Suction hose heading steam in hold - At 11.30 A.M. winded ship by hawsers from after warping chocks - Broke out Kerosine oil from Sail-room and placed on Poop. At 5:30 P.m. indications of fire breaking out and slipped chains and made all plain sail heading the ship towards beach - At 7.30 P.M. ship ship touched, let go stream anchor and opened outboard delivery - lowered all boats - 10.30 P.M. succeeded by means of Skin boat in attaching a line on shore - At 11.30 P.M. ordered to abandon ship, fire having broken out forward and extending rapidly aft - At 2.20 A.M. Dec 1st landed with all hands and hauled up boats.


And so ended the Rodgers.

The weather was quite nasty. Weather reports were given for the first 12 hours. Winds were Force 4-6 for the first ten hours of the day, diminishing to Force 2 by 11 AM. Temperatures were between 10 and 20F.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 04 July 2019, 16:35:30
The only loss of life was One Eyed Riley their mascot dog.  :'( :'( :'( for One Eyed Riley
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 05 July 2019, 09:56:51

Happy Birthday
Pommy Stuart !


(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9c/78/68/9c7868dd24f1e60148d8ffcb3ca74fca.jpg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 05 July 2019, 11:31:49
Happy Birthday, Stuart!

and

Welcome home!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Helen J on 05 July 2019, 12:30:09
Happy birthday, Stuart - hope it's a great day!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 05 July 2019, 12:41:07
(https://i.imgur.com/0UeCzW1.png)

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



(Epic cake Randi!  ;D )
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 05 July 2019, 18:13:31
Happy Birthday, Stuart!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Dean on 05 July 2019, 19:44:19
Stuart:
(https://i.imgur.com/HXKEJUZ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/kURjQ7T.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/aVXZ1jZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: jil on 06 July 2019, 05:26:07
Happy Birthday, Stuart!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 07 July 2019, 03:39:46
Well thank you all.
Came home with what I think is a dose of the flu and a very sore heel from all the walking to the pub on board the ship.  :(  ;D

Will be back on board OW in a month or so. Moving home in 4 weeks time.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Helen J on 07 July 2019, 07:18:27
Oh dear - sorry to hear about your ailments.  Neither sounds very helpful for preparing to move house - hope they go soon and you're fighting fit for the move.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 07 July 2019, 09:24:52
That's right bad luck with the flu Stuart! Was it one of those flu-from-the-aeroplane jobs?  :-\  :(

Glad to hear about your move and very much hope that the flu will go soon then!  :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 07 July 2019, 10:46:40
Get well soon, and good luck with the move!
I look forward to seeing you back on OW when it's all done.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 08 July 2019, 17:34:16
'Fingerprinting' to Track Us Online Is on the Rise. Here's What to Do. (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/03/technology/personaltech/fingerprinting-track-devices-what-to-do.html?te=1&nl=morning-briefing&emc=edit_NN_p_20190708&section=aBreak?campaign_id=9&instance_id=10751&segment_id=15001&user_id=dbbc73506986ff107ba21face1c7410b&regi_id=79267039ction=aBreak)
Quote
Advertisers are increasingly turning to an invisible method that pulls together information about your device to pinpoint your identity.

If there?s one lesson to learn about digital privacy, it?s that we can never grow complacent. Even if we secure our data so we are not tracked online, the ad tech industry will find ways to monitor our digital activities.
And so it is with the rise of so-called fingerprinting, which security researchers are calling a next-generation tracking technology.
What is it exactly? Fingerprinting involves looking at the many characteristics of your mobile device or computer, like the screen resolution, operating system and model, and triangulating this information to pinpoint and follow you as you browse the web and use apps. Once enough device characteristics are known, the theory goes, the data can be assembled into a profile that helps identify you the way a fingerprint would.

:P
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 08 July 2019, 18:17:42
I guess we'll have to dig out those old Encyclopedias and search paper pages for our information.  ::)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 09 July 2019, 08:20:16
And carry on looking up bizarre things at times. I sometimes look up the price of nappies, skis, tonic wines, courses at Yale and Harvard, size pettite dresses (like that would ever happen  ::) ), men's shoes,  public holidays in Peru - that sort of thing.

Here's today's trip out (sad that it's Google Earth  ::)):

The National Amusement Park of Mongolia in Ulaan Baatar
(https://i.imgur.com/wAa2sG0.png)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: jil on 09 July 2019, 11:02:28
I would have hoped that the kind of searches we do for OW would be a fairly confusing mix.  ;)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 09 July 2019, 11:19:24
I was thinking that they would be indeed ;D
(And I research things on the internet and then go to the store to buy them ::) ;))
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 09 July 2019, 12:38:50
(And I research things on the internet and then go to the store to buy them ::) ;))

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Helen J on 09 July 2019, 13:04:35
Judging by the ads I get, I think I manage to confuse the algorithms without making any particular effort!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 09 July 2019, 14:48:52
DuckDuckGo.com may be a search engine to consider.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 09 July 2019, 14:57:30
Several of us are already using DuckDuckGo ;D
It came up in this topic a couple of pages back ;)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 09 July 2019, 15:06:50
The largest seaweed bloom ever detected spanned the Atlantic in 2018 (https://www.sciencenews.org/article/largest-seaweed-bloom-ever-detected-atlantic-ocean-2018?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=latest-newsletter-v2&utm_source=Latest_Headlines&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Latest_Headlines)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 09 July 2019, 16:08:49
The largest seaweed bloom ever detected spanned the Atlantic in 2018 (https://www.sciencenews.org/article/largest-seaweed-bloom-ever-detected-atlantic-ocean-2018?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=latest-newsletter-v2&utm_source=Latest_Headlines&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Latest_Headlines)

So much is out of balance with this poor planet  :'(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 09 July 2019, 16:33:56
Several of us are already using DuckDuckGo ;D
It came up in this topic a couple of pages back ;)

Sorry, been away for a while.  ::)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Maikel on 10 July 2019, 02:33:22
Grave robbers have been at it again. >:(

Dutch WWII submarine wrecks disappear from Malaysian seabed
Salvagers have removed HNLMS K XVII and HNLMS O 16 - and remains of 79 crew

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/08/dutch-second-world-war-submarine-wrecks-disappear-from-malaysian-seabed

(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/766067018294ea380155f39cdab062b17159fd65/84_228_781_468/master/781.jpg?width=620&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=9d14d8d6ff1c904166443c0a352a86ef)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: studentforever on 10 July 2019, 05:11:25
Sad but not unexpected I'm afraid.

As someone who is fascinated by archaeology I am now very uneasy about some practices there. In the UK things are better and any human remains are treated carefully even if they are disinterred and subsequently re-buried or stored in restricted places; for historic burials very often crypts or disused places of worship. But when I think of the 19th and early 20th century activities in Egypt and the Middle East then I cringe even while I am gazing at the grave goods which were retrieved.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 10 July 2019, 07:39:18
Sounds like the ivory situation. Stop people buying the metals and the business comes to an end.

If this metal is of a certain grade then make it unpurchasable unless a permit is held and the start to finish route for the metal is known. It won't stop stinkers from being stinkers, but it shows a real depth of intent to protect those graves.  :-\
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: JamesAPrattIII on 14 July 2019, 18:31:09
This has been a problem for many years. When the price of scrap metal is high people will go to any length to get it.

The Japanese Submarine I-122 most likely laid the mines that sank both of these submarines.. see the TROM of the I122 on the Imperial Japanese Navy page combinedfleet.com
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: studentforever on 15 July 2019, 01:31:24
Not only general scrap but these are of special quality for some screening and construction jobs - they pre-date the nuclear testing so have a lower intrinsic radioactivity which is advantageous in some sensitive environments.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Caro on 15 July 2019, 03:54:31
Several of us are already using DuckDuckGo ;D
It came up in this topic a couple of pages back ;)

Sorry, been away for a while.  ::)

I'm putting in a word for Ecosia (https://www.ecosia.org/?c=en).  :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 15 July 2019, 05:35:00
Several of us are already using DuckDuckGo ;D
It came up in this topic a couple of pages back ;)

Sorry, been away for a while.  ::)

I'm putting in a word for Ecosia (https://www.ecosia.org/?c=en).  :)

Well that's different.  ;)
Will give it a try.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 15 July 2019, 10:12:35
Sounds interesting.

However, the number of trees planted by Ecosia users ticks along at a remarkably steady rate...
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 15 July 2019, 10:40:21

Happy Birthday
Shesswin !


(http://www.mariannescakes.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Dog-lover-cake.png)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 15 July 2019, 15:17:39
A very happy birthday Shesswin!

(https://i.imgur.com/hRntzLk.png?1)

:D :D :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 18 July 2019, 16:16:16
What happens when the Bering Sea's ice disappears? (https://www.sciencenews.org/article/bering-sea-ice-disappearing-arctic-ecosystems)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Caro on 19 July 2019, 03:11:01
(https://i.123g.us/c/birth_forhim/card/319741.jpg)

Happy birthday Dean
:)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 19 July 2019, 05:02:56
Happy Birthday, Dean!

And a belated Happy Birthday to Shesswin!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 19 July 2019, 08:02:48
A very happy birthday Dean. Have a whale of a time!!
(https://i.imgur.com/6LMCISI.png)

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 19 July 2019, 08:13:17
What happens when the Bering Sea's ice disappears? (https://www.sciencenews.org/article/bering-sea-ice-disappearing-arctic-ecosystems)

I'm not sure that I own enough tears to shed on this report. It's terrifying.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
But thanks for posting it Randi  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 19 July 2019, 10:29:03

Happy Birthday
Dean !


Happy Birthday to you,
Happy Birthday to you,
Happy Birthday dear Deeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnn,
Happy Birthday to you!

Hope it's a happy one and that you get lots of neat presents!
Hope also you get to share with family!



(https://i.imgur.com/HXKEJUZ.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/kURjQ7T.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/aVXZ1jZ.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/mtV7DWE.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/Pe4VikM.jpg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 19 July 2019, 11:00:47
Happy Birthday, Dean!

And a belated Happy Birthday to Shesswin!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Dean on 20 July 2019, 07:44:59
Thank you all for the kind wishes. It was a relatively quiet day. My friends at the Carrousel Museum had Ice-cream cake with lunch and I had dinner with my wife.  Ready to sail on into the next year!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 20 July 2019, 09:22:54
Thank you all for the kind wishes. It was a relatively quiet day. My friends at the Carrousel Museum had Ice-cream cake with lunch and I had dinner with my wife.  Ready to sail on into the next year!

Sounds like a lovely day Dean.  :D :D :D 
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 21 July 2019, 00:29:04

Happy Birthday
Hurlock !


(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/14/0a/b5/140ab5d5c55973245fb7337a58527f9b--nautical-cake-nautical-theme.jpg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Dean on 21 July 2019, 07:56:35
(https://i.imgur.com/HXKEJUZ.jpg). (https://i.imgur.com/w90v0mz.jpg)   
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 21 July 2019, 09:59:39
Happy Birthday, Hurlock!

And may you have many more!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 21 July 2019, 10:31:15


(https://i.imgur.com/dLKb4vl.png)

Have a happy birthday and many more!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 21 July 2019, 17:45:48
(https://funny-birthday-wishes.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Happy-Birthday-May-you-live-to-be-old-and-toothless-768x768.jpg)

To those who had a birthday I missed when I was away.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 21 July 2019, 18:10:04
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 22 July 2019, 04:55:40
Happy Birthday, Hurlock!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 05 August 2019, 23:15:35
The Arctic is burning and Greenland is melting, thanks to record heat (https://www.sciencenews.org/article/arctic-burning-greenland-melting-thanks-record-heat?tgt=nr)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 06 August 2019, 08:18:50
The Arctic is burning and Greenland is melting, thanks to record heat (https://www.sciencenews.org/article/arctic-burning-greenland-melting-thanks-record-heat?tgt=nr)

'On July 31, a record-breaking 56.5 percent of Greenland?s ice sheet was showing signs of melting, DMI glaciologist Ruth Mottram told the Associated Press.'  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 11 August 2019, 08:16:06

Happy Birthday
Kevin !


(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Yn-tkitjRXw/U0jX-Zhy7OI/AAAAAAAACqM/5YSsSVlos5Q/s1600/DSC00210.JPG)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 11 August 2019, 08:52:14
A Happy birthday to you Kevin
;D ;D ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/YAfIOzb.png)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 11 August 2019, 09:23:26
Happy Birthday, Kevin!!!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Kevin on 11 August 2019, 15:11:31
Thank you all!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 11 August 2019, 15:33:41
Good one, Joan!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 11 August 2019, 15:58:23
Good one, Joan!

I'm awestruck by your ice-cake for Kevin. Even after his trip to the North it might be the best ice he's seen  :o :'(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 11 August 2019, 21:12:05
Need a nice Great Lakes retreat? Bid on an historic lighthouse (https://www.post-gazette.com/life/recreation/2019/08/10/Great-Lakes-retreat-Bid-on-an-historic-lighthouse/stories/201908110010?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=editors-picks-life-frontpage&utm_campaign=Headlines-Newsletter)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 12 August 2019, 05:19:11
Need a nice Great Lakes retreat? Bid on an historic lighthouse (https://www.post-gazette.com/life/recreation/2019/08/10/Great-Lakes-retreat-Bid-on-an-historic-lighthouse/stories/201908110010?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=editors-picks-life-frontpage&utm_campaign=Headlines-Newsletter)

Yes please! Though the climb up from the water looks a bit of a drag - best to go in and out on the high tide  ;) ;D

Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 13 August 2019, 05:12:24
Oh dear. I should have seen those lighthouses for sale before I bought in to a retirement village.
I am sure I could have come up with some bright ideas to use them for.  ::)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 13 August 2019, 07:04:13
I am sure I could have come up with some bright ideas to use them for.  ::)

 ;D ;D ;D

(How's the move going Stuart? Well, I hope)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 13 August 2019, 17:08:12
I have found most of the floor now a lot of boxes have been emptied.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 13 August 2019, 17:21:38
I have found most of the floor now a lot of boxes have been emptied.

Jolly handy things - floors. They stop things that fall off shelves from falling all the way through the planet. Yes - very useful things I'd say ;) ;D
Sounds like you're doing well - well done :D  8)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 14 August 2019, 15:27:57


Chill zone: https://www.shetlandwebcams.com/sealevel-cam/

I've seen a lot of seal heads bobbing around :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: studentforever on 14 August 2019, 15:57:26
Had to get my eye in then I spotted them cavorting round the rocks.  :)

Years ago I had a holiday in Orkney with my brother. One day we took the ferry to the neighbouring island of Rousay. The ferry seemed to take a funny course but I just assumed it was something to do with the tides. Then the engines went to 'idle' and a crewman came over and pointed out the seals basking on the rocks. They'd seen them on the way over and, since they had a couple of tourists aboard, thought we might like to see them close up. They were right!! Just one example of a super holiday when tourists were still not too plentiful.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 16 August 2019, 11:58:10
8)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 16 August 2019, 11:58:52
Lightning struck near the North Pole 48 times on Saturday, as rapid Arctic warming continues  (https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2019/08/12/lightning-struck-within-miles-north-pole-saturday-rapid-arctic-warming-continues/?wpisrc=nl_green&wpmm=1)

Arctic sea ice loss may not be causing cold winters in the U.S. and Asia after all, study finds  (https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2019/08/14/arctic-sea-ice-loss-may-not-be-causing-cold-winters-us-asia-after-all-study-finds/?wpisrc=nl_green&wpmm=1)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 16 August 2019, 14:53:32
Lightning struck near the North Pole 48 times on Saturday, as rapid Arctic warming continues  (https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2019/08/12/lightning-struck-within-miles-north-pole-saturday-rapid-arctic-warming-continues/?wpisrc=nl_green&wpmm=1)

Arctic sea ice loss may not be causing cold winters in the U.S. and Asia after all, study finds  (https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2019/08/14/arctic-sea-ice-loss-may-not-be-causing-cold-winters-us-asia-after-all-study-finds/?wpisrc=nl_green&wpmm=1)

 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 17 August 2019, 15:51:07
Hello all,

I'm back from my trip to Oregon and Washington - it was really fun, did a lot of great stuff with my dad and brother.
Got bad jetlag right now (nine hours time difference!), but I hope to get back to transcribing soon. I've missed it, and the forum.

Belated Happy Birthday, Kevin!

Years ago I had a holiday in Orkney with my brother. One day we took the ferry to the neighbouring island of Rousay. The ferry seemed to take a funny course but I just assumed it was something to do with the tides. Then the engines went to 'idle' and a crewman came over and pointed out the seals basking on the rocks. They'd seen them on the way over and, since they had a couple of tourists aboard, thought we might like to see them close up. They were right!! Just one example of a super holiday when tourists were still not too plentiful.

We saw harbor seals and sea lions in the Strait of Juan de Fuca! I will post pictures in the coming days.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 17 August 2019, 15:53:50
Welcome back hanibal!!  It's good to have you back. So glad to hear that you had an excellent holiday!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 17 August 2019, 16:04:00
Welcome back, Hanibal! I'm glad you got to see our part of the world!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 17 August 2019, 18:55:21
Good to have you back, Hanibal!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Helen J on 18 August 2019, 09:02:57
Welcome back, Hanibal - hope the jeg lag goes soon.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Kevin on 18 August 2019, 17:24:12
This is cool - https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 18 August 2019, 17:32:41
Fascinating!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 18 August 2019, 17:46:08
I agree with Randi - fascinating - thanks Kevin.  Still makes me want to weep  :'(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Kevin on 18 August 2019, 19:15:02
I guess 'cool' is not the right word, sadly.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 19 August 2019, 13:29:48
Thanks for the welcome back, everyone!

The first day at the new job went well - mostly just setting things up and meeting new people. It's gonna take me a long time to get all the names and faces sorted out!
From a technical view, the work looks quite interesting - much more than my last job. Also, the downtown location is pretty nice.
I think I will like it there.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 19 August 2019, 13:33:28
I am very happy to hear that!

I have a terrible time with names and faces myself ::) :-[
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 19 August 2019, 14:06:22
Hooray for you, Hanibal! I'm glad your new job looks so promising.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 19 August 2019, 16:57:21
That's a wonderful first day report hanibal! I'm chuffed to bits for you!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: studentforever on 19 August 2019, 17:30:03
Hope all goes well. I'm still awful at putting names to faces. I could meet old students and tell you all about their research projects but names were a different matter. I could remember the names OK, I could recognise the faces not too badly but matching the two of them, definitely a C grade on a good day.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Kevin on 19 August 2019, 18:15:09
Still one of my favorites: https://www.youtube.com/embed/vjtX4GJPFRc

Also - I can't remember the names of people on my hallway at work. Like in the next office over. And I've been there for like 18 years.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Kevin on 19 August 2019, 23:34:10
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/scientists-have-been-underestimating-the-pace-of-climate-change/?fbclid=IwAR1idcNO93_MWsMq9KOVFJgZcvZu9XnTBum8KaTAPcPLv66MuBVrRubC5ZE
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 20 August 2019, 12:14:35
Hi Kevin - two good posts. That noise of the ice is so frightening. You rarely hear comments about it in the log books which amazes me. I went to a talk  by Henry Brower, a current-day Inuit whaling captain. He mentioned that some visitors make the mistake of wearing good hard-bottomed boots when coming to see how a modern whaling hunt works. Once the whales hear those heavy footsteps they scram. The Inuit wear soft skin boots that make very little noise, if any.

The article about the climate change was as worrying as I expected.


I stumbled across this article as I was reading the above:
Why Scientists Are Starting to Care About Cultures That Talk to Whales (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science/talking-to-whales-180968698/). This article is from Hakai Magazine, an online publication about science and society in coastal ecosystems and published in the Smithsonian (April 2018).

A fascinating article about the feelings of whales and how they are recognized by humans. For myself, I have no problem at all in believing that animals can collect their own living memories.

This section of the article, touching on the length of a whale's life, astounded me.

Quote
Plus, calves spend years with their mothers, developing the strong mother-offspring bonds that serve to transfer cultural information, and bowhead whales live long enough to accumulate the kind of environmental knowledge that would be beneficial to pass on to younger generations. We know this largely because of a harpoon tip that was found embedded in a bowhead in northern Alaska in 2007. This particular harpoon was only manufactured between 1879 and 1885 and wasn?t used for long after, meaning that the whale had sustained its injury at least 117 years before it finally died.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 20 August 2019, 20:11:52
US Navy to ditch touch screen ship controls (https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49319450)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Kevin on 20 August 2019, 20:28:44
This is good - https://350.org/rise-from-one-island-to-another/
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 22 August 2019, 05:24:40
Anybody watched the TV show "The Terror" ? (The Franklin expedition not the spooky one).
Is it worth downloading?
Stuart
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Helen J on 22 August 2019, 06:28:24
This is good - https://350.org/rise-from-one-island-to-another/

Thanks for this Kevin - I'm sharing it on a Franciscan FB page I help to run.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 22 August 2019, 18:32:34
US Navy to ditch touch screen ship controls (https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49319450)

 It beggars belief really....  ::)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 22 August 2019, 18:38:18
This is good - https://350.org/rise-from-one-island-to-another/

Oh gosh - that's very powerful Kevin - thank you so much for posting it.  Perhaps they ought to show it at the start of every session at the COP meetings?
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 22 August 2019, 18:41:43
Anybody watched the TV show "The Terror" ? (The Franklin expedition not the spooky one).
Is it worth downloading?
Stuart

Sorry Stuart - I can't help with this one :(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Kevin on 23 August 2019, 12:46:09
Five best ideas of the day: https://www.aspeninstitute.org/ideas/  (We're number 2)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Helen J on 23 August 2019, 12:54:02
Five best ideas of the day: https://www.aspeninstitute.org/ideas/  (We're number 2)

Great - an excellent start to the weekend!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 23 August 2019, 13:01:14
I couldn't put it any better, Helen!

Thanks, Kevin!!!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 23 August 2019, 15:20:29
 :) :) :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 23 August 2019, 17:21:17

Super - thanks Kevin!  10/10 for the Aspen Institute :D :D :D   and 10/10 for us too  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 23 August 2019, 17:23:52
Did anybody notice that the log book pages shown were readable.  ::)  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 23 August 2019, 18:44:18
Did anybody notice that the log book pages shown were readable.  ::)  ;)  ;D

Yep - they must have spent an age finding those!  ;D ;D ;D
Just started work on the Hunter - flower vase water instead of ink.  ::)  ;)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 25 August 2019, 04:38:55
Hello all,

As promised, I have gathered some photos from my recent trip to the Olympic Peninsula.
You can find them here: https://imgur.com/a/UvJpzDZ

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 25 August 2019, 08:42:54
Enjoy!

I did indeed! Thanks!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hurlock on 25 August 2019, 09:13:13
Excellent pictures.  Good to see some of the places mentioned in logs.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 25 August 2019, 10:51:26
Fabulous! Did you see me waving in the picture of Victoria? Look closely.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 25 August 2019, 16:04:08
Beacons of possibility: Light stations offer accommodations to travelers across the country  (https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/travel/beacons-of-possibility-light-stations-offer-accommodations-to-travelers-across-the-country/2019/08/22/4d748e82-bf73-11e9-9b73-fd3c65ef8f9c_story.html?wpisrc=nl_headlines&wpmm=1)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 25 August 2019, 16:21:40
Beacons of possibility: Light stations offer accommodations to travelers across the country  (https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/travel/beacons-of-possibility-light-stations-offer-accommodations-to-travelers-across-the-country/2019/08/22/4d748e82-bf73-11e9-9b73-fd3c65ef8f9c_story.html?wpisrc=nl_headlines&wpmm=1)

Sounds fun   :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: jil on 26 August 2019, 06:48:25
Great photos Hanibal, especially the Orcas!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 26 August 2019, 08:49:34
Hello all,

As promised, I have gathered some photos from my recent trip to the Olympic Peninsula.
You can find them here: https://imgur.com/a/UvJpzDZ

Enjoy!

Super pictures Hanibal  :D. The weather looks to have been glorious.  It must have been a lot of fun visiting those waters, knowing what a history they have for us.  And the mountains are so impressive. Washington State looks magnificent. You'd need good legs to walk around that terrain. :D

Glad that you got to see the orcas and whales as well.  I've heard that you can smell their breathe when they blow - any experience of that one?  8)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Thursday Next on 26 August 2019, 14:27:39
Beacons of possibility: Light stations offer accommodations to travelers across the country  (https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/travel/beacons-of-possibility-light-stations-offer-accommodations-to-travelers-across-the-country/2019/08/22/4d748e82-bf73-11e9-9b73-fd3c65ef8f9c_story.html?wpisrc=nl_headlines&wpmm=1)

Sounds fun   :D

You need to make sure your lighthouse doesn't still have a working foghorn though ...
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 26 August 2019, 17:15:18
Sounds fun   :D

You need to make sure your lighthouse doesn't still have a working foghorn though ...

Very good point!  :o  luckily I've got my ear plugs ready...  ;) 8)

(https://imgur.com/ZDztaAz.png)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Kevin on 28 August 2019, 21:34:36
Inside the Franklin ships -
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/28/hms-terror-sir-john-franklin-evidence-recovered-arctic-ocean?fbclid=IwAR3XXXt93_g1vCZTAwYT_9Q1lQtrU1Vf6cUnLwIJWOoQS63t1-Ln1LOIXNE
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 28 August 2019, 22:12:29
Quote
and raised the possibility that logs and maps have remained intact and legible after nearly 170 years underwater.

They are going to need experts ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 29 August 2019, 00:08:01
Bags a look at the logs.

John (Stuart) Franklin
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: jil on 29 August 2019, 02:01:40
Inside the Franklin ships -
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/28/hms-terror-sir-john-franklin-evidence-recovered-arctic-ocean?fbclid=IwAR3XXXt93_g1vCZTAwYT_9Q1lQtrU1Vf6cUnLwIJWOoQS63t1-Ln1LOIXNE
8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
The images from inside the ship are remarkable.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 29 August 2019, 08:19:15
Amazing!!!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Helen J on 29 August 2019, 10:40:06
Wow!  What remarkable images.  And there may be logs .... Can we stake a claim?
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Thursday Next on 31 August 2019, 15:02:52
Quote
and raised the possibility that logs and maps have remained intact and legible after nearly 170 years underwater.

They are going to need experts ;D

OK fine, the logs may well have remained intact - but legible?!  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 31 August 2019, 15:08:16
Quote
and raised the possibility that logs and maps have remained intact and legible after nearly 170 years underwater.

They are going to need experts ;D

OK fine, the logs may well have remained intact - but legible?!  ;D  ;D  ;D

Oh that's a really good point - are we sure that Lieutenant Scrawl wasn't in charge of them?  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 31 August 2019, 21:02:54
Maybe we could fish out the ships logs using this Australian contraption and have fun doing it.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/hzxIcsL3KDo (https://www.youtube.com/embed/hzxIcsL3KDo)

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 31 August 2019, 22:13:22
::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 01 September 2019, 03:29:04
Wow!  ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Dean on 01 September 2019, 16:34:51
Quote
and raised the possibility that logs and maps have remained intact and legible after nearly 170 years underwater.

They are going to need experts ;D

OK fine, the logs may well have remained intact - but legible?!  ;D  ;D  ;D

Can't be much worse than some of the Logs we have already done!!! ::)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 01 September 2019, 21:27:46
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 01 September 2019, 21:29:07
There's a giant volcanic rock 'raft' floating in the ocean. It might actually help boost habitats.  (https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2019/08/26/theres-giant-volcanic-rock-raft-floating-ocean-it-might-actually-help-boost-habitats/?wpisrc=nl_optimist&wpmm=1)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Kevin on 01 September 2019, 21:37:19
https://www.loc.gov/resource/det.4a03426/?r=-0.253,-0.06,1.385,0.88,0

Here is a very fine photograph of a sloop of war -- could be the Jamestown, or at least the same class.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 01 September 2019, 22:11:53
8)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 02 September 2019, 07:22:59
Beautiful photo.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Kevin on 02 September 2019, 09:43:56
HMS Hogue and Aboukir https://www.loc.gov/item/2004674564/
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Kevin on 02 September 2019, 09:51:02
Also RN https://www.loc.gov/resource/ggbain.03030/
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 02 September 2019, 14:35:42
There's a giant volcanic rock 'raft' floating in the ocean. It might actually help boost habitats.  (https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2019/08/26/theres-giant-volcanic-rock-raft-floating-ocean-it-might-actually-help-boost-habitats/?wpisrc=nl_optimist&wpmm=1)

I felt so full of hope at the start of reading this article  :D. Actually there's still hope from this story. Just so sad that it sounds like it will not reverse the fortunes of the Great Barrier Reef. That job is down to humans  :'(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 02 September 2019, 20:20:53
Just in case you need to fill out any forms...
ICD-10-CM Codes
> V00-Y99 External causes of morbidity
>> W50-W64 Exposure to animate mechanical forces
>>> Contact with nonvenomous marine animal W56

https://www.icd10data.com/ICD10CM/Codes/V00-Y99/W50-W64/W56-/
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Kevin on 05 September 2019, 15:30:58
Do you have a favorite 19th century artwork that would illustrate the original Beaufort Scale of 1832? Here, for example, is Force 10: 'with which she would only bear close-reefed maintop-sail and reefed fore-sail.' https://www.loc.gov/item/2002698105/ Also, a line of poetry or narrative of same.

And for reference: https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/binaries/content/assets/metofficegovuk/pdf/research/library-and-archive/library/publications/factsheets/factsheet_6-the-beaufort-scale.pdf
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 05 September 2019, 15:54:51
 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Kevin on 09 September 2019, 09:30:53
For those who saw and were appalled by the unsigned statement released on Friday by NOAA Communications: it was a violation of NOAA's scientific integrity policy and was political in nature. From a division-wide message from NOAA's Acting Chief Scientist this morning:

"You know that the value of our science is in the complexity of our understanding, our ability to convey that understanding to a wide audience of users of this information, and to establish and sustain the public trust in the truth and legitimacy of that information.  Unfortunately, the press release of last Friday violated this trust and violated NOAA's policies of scientific integrity.  In my role as Assistant Administrator for Research, and as I continue to administratively serve as Acting Chief Scientist, I am pursuing the potential violations of our NOAA Administrative Order on Scientific Integrity.  Thankfully, we have such policies that are independently cited as among the best in the federal community, if not the best.  Your NOAA and OAR management and leadership team believes in these policies and principles. I have a responsibility to pursue these truths.  I will."

We will see...   
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 09 September 2019, 10:45:53
I'm glad that there are still people in the government with integrity and courage.
I wish him success!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 09 September 2019, 12:53:42
Me too!!!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Dean on 09 September 2019, 15:24:06
Me THREE!!

I am a Co-Op Observer for the Natl Weather Service and report every morning.

I know how hard these folks work and am 'glad' to hear that rules were broken but people will be held accountable.  I hope the publicity of the resulting facts are as widely shared as was the false report by the president and the 'false' statement by NOAA.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 09 September 2019, 18:40:43
Me FOUR!!! :D

I hate these rotten events. You wonder if there's another agenda going on and that this statement is a smoke screen for a greater horror being visited upon NOAA...let's hope not  :-[ :-\

Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Kevin on 11 September 2019, 13:28:44
The greater horror is being visited on federal and federally-supported science in general. Hopefully we are near the low-water mark and restoration will begin. Perhaps that may be true, since NOAA is about the last agency left that hasn't been subject to this nonsense. We've seen somewhat similar phases in Canada and elsewhere in recent years...
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Dean on 11 September 2019, 13:30:20
Around here I firmly believe that CONgress is the opposite of PROgress. 8)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 11 September 2019, 14:28:28
Ah, yes. Back in the 90's the Canadian government (Liberals) hit Environment Canada and six other departments with a 40% budget cut to be made over three years (1995, 96 and 97), with cuts of 10, 15 and 15% to be made in any order. The seven departments were called MAD (Most Affected Departments). The promise was that after the three years, those departments would be spared further cuts. In 1998, which was Year Four the Minister of Finance wanted another 7% cut from a several departments. Our minister raised his hand, cut Environment!  By this time, morale was so low that our union argued that they just had to wait a few months because people were leaving so fast that they would have their 7% in no time.

Anyway, they made the extra 7% cut. (One reason I have time to spare for OW.) Western Region had to lose 40 people (or 60). They asked for volunteers. 60 (or 80) volunteered! They had to do a reverse order of merit, and let go the required number. The 20 best people couldn't leave. Of those 20, I think 8 quit outright with no severance, 6 or so of the otherwise requested half time and the others 3/4 time. This meant that after the cuts they were already short-staffed about a dozen people. A few months later they were short even more. They were begging people to come back as "consultants." A couple of years later, I dropped into the Prairie Weather Centre in Winnipeg while visiting my sister-in-law. The forecasters begged me to come in and work the night shift, they were a person short and the supervisor didn't want to work 12 hours overtime right after doing the 12 hour shift he was currently on. I respectively declined.

After the Liberals we had the Harper government.  ::) He banned any discussion of climate change. A good friend of mine had to sit through a televised "town hall" from the Prime Minister's Office telling them that not only could they not bring up the subject of climate change, but any question about it had to be referred to the PMO. Similar for any questions about unusual weather etc. My friend got up, walked into the OIC's office and put in her resignation.

Another friend of mine did climate studies that would be used for updating Canadian building codes. A reporter from one of the big newspapers wanted to know about how the weather would affect building codes. Anyway, it took the reporter and my friend six months to convince the PMO to let this interview take place. The reporter had to submit their questions and my friend to submit her replies. The interview took place with the PMO person listening on the line. There was an 8 second delay or something so the PMO person could kill the conversation before anything untoward was said.

So, been there done that.  :'( :'( :'(  Don't have to do it anymore.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 11 September 2019, 16:24:41
In the UK we now have no voice at all. Parliament (parley-a-ment) is closed to any parley at all. I'm heartily sorry to hear your tale of woe Michael. It seems to me that it's an odd thing that one person can make decisions in such a detached way. But we are the lucky ones in OW to have your help  ;) :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 11 September 2019, 17:47:14
And when I tell people about OW and ice, I don't have to submit my comments to the moderators beforehand.  ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 12 September 2019, 13:51:38
Sorry to hear about that, Michael. Truly awful stuff.
I too, hope that this is the low-water mark and things will get better soon. Greta Thunberg's actions are giving me hope.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 12 September 2019, 14:01:07
Greta gives me hope, too.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 12 September 2019, 14:42:20
...and me too.  :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Kevin on 16 September 2019, 11:11:01
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/as-bering-sea-ice-melts-nature-is-changing-on-a-massive-scale-and-alaska-crab-pots-are-pulling-up-cod/
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 16 September 2019, 13:17:37
Interesting :'(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 16 September 2019, 14:31:24
Yes.  :'(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 16 September 2019, 16:03:23
Galvanizing article Kevin!
My head is buried in my handkerchief as I sob for the planet  :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 17 September 2019, 12:34:04
A Wonderfully Happy Ever-so-slightly-belated Birthday to Randi!


(https://imgur.com/sHwBxIG.png)

;D ;D ;D

Hope you enjoy your Captain cake  ;)

Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 17 September 2019, 12:40:59
Happy Birthday, Randi!!!

We wouldn't be here without you!  ;)


Unlike Joan's cake, this one is calorie free!


(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NNJVaOfxc8Q/UYzuUYf8P0I/AAAAAAAABVs/Az2fAVGz1gk/s640/mornar.jpg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Kevin on 17 September 2019, 12:47:36
Two cool articles (one about OW):
https://nexusmedianews.com/century-old-ship-logs-show-how-much-ice-the-arctic-has-lost-e3349bb7a403
and
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/09/14/when-weather-forecasts-became-political-228106?fbclid=IwAR0Sz54NJVsd1ibm6_-x3QJcEtINEx6_uUt1vkZEO0WpD2MabDM_zHA2EPM
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 17 September 2019, 13:46:48
Thank you Kevin - both are engrossing articles  :D

Two cool articles (one about OW):
https://nexusmedianews.com/century-old-ship-logs-show-how-much-ice-the-arctic-has-lost-e3349bb7a403

Super article - well done Michael!! :D  :D  :D   If I were not already here that article would have me signing up  :D

and
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/09/14/when-weather-forecasts-became-political-228106?fbclid=IwAR0Sz54NJVsd1ibm6_-x3QJcEtINEx6_uUt1vkZEO0WpD2MabDM_zHA2EPM
Yet again the hand of greedy commerce intercepts good science I read the story of the start of the Met Office. What happened to Fitzroy was terrible and doubtless caused the loss of lives at sea - even on land   :'(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hurlock on 17 September 2019, 13:47:41
Happy Birthday Randi.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 17 September 2019, 15:04:46
Happy Birthday etc Randi from downunder.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Caro on 17 September 2019, 15:44:41
  Happy belated birthday Randi  :-* :-* :-*


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Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 17 September 2019, 20:20:11
Many, many thanks, everyone!

(burp :-[)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 18 September 2019, 19:06:21
Many, many thanks, everyone!

(burp :-[)

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Dean on 20 September 2019, 07:09:39
Randi:

(https://i.imgur.com/mtV7DWE.jpg).    (https://i.imgur.com/Pe4VikM.jpg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 20 September 2019, 09:18:51
Thanks, Dean ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 20 September 2019, 14:01:54
Scientists Prepare to Drift With Arctic Ice for a Year to Study Climate Change (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/19/climate/mosaic-expedition-arctic.html?te=1&nl=evening-briefing&emc=edit_ne_20190919?campaign_id=57&instance_id=12504&segment_id=17174)

Quote
On Friday evening the ship, joined by a Russian icebreaker carrying more equipment, will leave this port city in northern Norway, sailing east for two weeks to the Laptev Sea, north of Central Siberia. There the Polarstern will churn through the pack ice and sidle up to an ice floe -- a large expanse of intact ice, chosen on the spot after analysis of satellite radar images and other information -- and cut its engine, allowing itself to be fully frozen in place. The Russian ship will transfer its equipment to the floe and turn around.

Deliberately trapped, if all goes well the Polarstern will travel with the ice along a wind-driven route known as the trans-polar drift toward and past the pole and eventually south, spilling out into the Fram Strait between Greenland and the Svalbard archipelago 12 to 14 months later.

"We'll just go where the ice goes," said Markus Rex, a researcher in atmospheric physics at the Alfred Wegener Institute in Germany and leader of the $155 million expedition. Organized by the institute, it involves scientists from 19 nations, including the United States, and has been five years in planning.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 20 September 2019, 15:47:12
 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 20 September 2019, 15:53:19
Well that will be interesting. I wonder if they will be near the site where the Jeannette got stuck?  :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 20 September 2019, 16:04:34
Any cool suggestions for getting your Dell keyboard to work please? Mine just stopped completely. There I was just settling down to record a major bit of mutiny on the North Star and tap tap tappety tap...nothing. :'( :'( :'( :'( I tried switching on and off, and a restart. Asked the keyboard driver if it needed updating but it seemed happy that it was up to date.
I got this second hand
Luckily have the old computer to play with. And my phone :-\ ::)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 20 September 2019, 16:32:00
Plug it into a different port? :-\ :-\ :-\



Or better yet, wait for someone who knows what they are talking about ;)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 20 September 2019, 17:18:41
It's a laptop  :(. However you may have hit on something because I was wondering if I could just plug a keyboard into a usb onto the laptop. I've copied all my files onto an external drive....phew! 😉😀
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 20 September 2019, 18:48:19
Yes, plug in a keyboard, if you have one lying around. When I was in California with my little notebook, I plugged in a mouse, a keyboard and a terminal.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Dean on 21 September 2019, 07:53:24
Have done that many times when teaching.  ;)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 21 September 2019, 09:53:00
Thank you Michael and Dean!   I'll give it a go. Currently using the laptop that properly belongs to the Close that I live in and that's for our finance work. It's OK. Screens a bit smaller but not too bad.  ;)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: BaroquePearl on 23 September 2019, 10:24:27
This was posted on the 20th and picked up by Apple News Feed on 21st.  Along with what Kevin posted on the 17th, this info is currently making the news rounds!

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a29127606/us-coast-guard-ice-data/
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 23 September 2019, 10:46:48
Great!
Thanks for posting!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 23 September 2019, 12:13:29
Thanks for posting! It seems like OW is appearing in the news a lot more frequently than it used to.
Maybe it's because climate is currently a hot topic (no pun intended)?
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 23 September 2019, 14:46:42
 :) :) :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Dean on 23 September 2019, 18:04:51
Thanks for posting! It seems like OW is appearing in the news a lot more frequently than it used to.
Maybe it's because climate is currently a hot topic (no pun intended)?

Not to mention the fantastic ACCURATE & CAREFULLY reported work done by our fabulous OW crew!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 23 September 2019, 18:09:58
...Not to mention the fantastic ACCURATE & CAREFULLY reported work done by our fabulous OW crew!!!!  ;D

Yeh!!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 23 September 2019, 23:33:12
Something that may have a bearing to OW.
https://cosmosmagazine.com/earth-sciences/what-happens-when-magnetic-north-and-true-north-align (https://cosmosmagazine.com/earth-sciences/what-happens-when-magnetic-north-and-true-north-align)

 ;)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 24 September 2019, 09:28:45

Something that may have a bearing to OW.

*bearing* - nice pun Stuart  ;D  Very interesting article. The OS maps always had some information on them about the difference between magnetic and geographic North. I seem to recall that they also predicted the likely time that they would come back together again. Reading that article was an eye opener. Thanks :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 24 September 2019, 10:16:37
 :) :) :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: leelaht on 24 September 2019, 11:45:14
Something that may have a bearing to OW.
https://cosmosmagazine.com/earth-sciences/what-happens-when-magnetic-north-and-true-north-align (https://cosmosmagazine.com/earth-sciences/what-happens-when-magnetic-north-and-true-north-align)

 ;)

Since freshman geology when I learned about it, I wanted to witness the poles 'flipping.'  It's overdue.  But I've since read that the process takes 5000 years for the magnetic north to wander it's way to the bottom of the globe.  So not in my lifetime...
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 24 September 2019, 12:55:56
Seems to me that I also read something about lack of protection from cosmic rays :-\
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Kevin on 24 September 2019, 15:45:12
I didn't see the popular mechanics one until now. I would guess, in addition to the brilliant work of the amazing OW crew, is the plain connection between the model result and the history with current events is resonating. 
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 26 September 2019, 13:01:26
RRS Sir David Attenborough launched (https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-49829315)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 26 September 2019, 13:54:35
RRS Sir David Attenborough launched (https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-49829315)
Sounds like a very fine vehicle - I hope it brings great success in understanding the changes to the polar regions.  :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 29 September 2019, 16:09:14
And do not forget our little friend Boaty.

(http://www.thepoke.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/mcboat-1.png)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 29 September 2019, 17:15:18
And do not forget our little friend Boaty.

(http://www.thepoke.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/mcboat-1.png)

Absolutely!  That little boaty has got some big work to do - good luck Boaty McBoatface!  :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 30 September 2019, 21:26:54
I just ran across this 2016 NPR article: U.S. Navy Brings Back Navigation By The Stars For Officers (https://www.npr.org/2016/02/22/467210492/u-s-navy-brings-back-navigation-by-the-stars-for-officers)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 01 October 2019, 08:21:01
I just ran across this 2016 NPR article: U.S. Navy Brings Back Navigation By The Stars For Officers (https://www.npr.org/2016/02/22/467210492/u-s-navy-brings-back-navigation-by-the-stars-for-officers)

I recall that Kevin posted a 'how you do that' set of instructions - I wonder if I can find them?  I think that this is a fine idea. Keeps your brain sharp and it's a double check for GPS. All we need to do now is to find out how pigeons navigate, get a bit of our brains trained up the same way, and we won't even need the sextants any more.  ;) 8)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 01 October 2019, 09:09:25
How about http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4305.msg99443#msg99443 ?
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 01 October 2019, 11:03:02
I recall, from my time working on a military airfield many years ago, that a Canadiann Argus long range patrol aircraft was well out over the Atlantic at night and she lost all her electronics. The navigator liked taking start shots for practice and was able to navigate back to their base in Greenwood Nova Scotia. Before that time the crew would mock him for doing things the old way when it wasn't really necessary, what with all the technology. After getting them back to base, they never mocked him again. In fact, other navigators were encouraged to brush up on those old skills.  ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 01 October 2019, 12:53:34
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 01 October 2019, 17:28:19
 Just watching a programme on BBC Four called Voyages of Discovery. This week features Nansen and the Fram heading into the Arctic. They mentioned the fate of the Jeannette as they illustrated the superior design of the Fram. Fascinating program - I hope that some of you can catch it on BBC iPlayer.  :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: jil on 02 October 2019, 02:03:55
Just watching a programme on BBC Four called Voyages of Discovery. This week features Nansen and the Fram heading into the Arctic. They mentioned the fate of the Jeannette as they illustrated the superior design of the Fram. Fascinating program - I hope that some of you can catch it on BBC iPlayer.  :D
Sounds good - that's gone on my list of things to watch.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 03 October 2019, 21:21:33
These tea bags release billions of plastic particles into your brew, study shows (https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2019/09/27/these-tea-bags-release-billions-plastic-particles-into-your-brew-study-shows/?wpisrc=nl_green&wpmm=1)
:-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 03 October 2019, 21:29:54
Better living through chemistry.  ::)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: jil on 04 October 2019, 03:59:40
You thought some of our log books were hard to read! Scientists are using the Diamond Light Source (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-oxfordshire-49926789/herculaneum-scroll-shining-a-light-on-2000-year-old-secrets) to try to read scrolls from Herculaneum carbonized by the eruption of Vesuvius.

https://www.diamond.ac.uk/Home/News/LatestNews/2019/03-10-2019.html#
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 04 October 2019, 08:43:26
8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 04 October 2019, 10:45:21
You thought some of our log books were hard to read! Scientists are using the Diamond Light Source (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-oxfordshire-49926789/herculaneum-scroll-shining-a-light-on-2000-year-old-secrets) to try to read scrolls from Herculaneum carbonized by the eruption of Vesuvius.

https://www.diamond.ac.uk/Home/News/LatestNews/2019/03-10-2019.html#
Great find jil  :D
That is amazing.  And they are so positive about its abilities: 'we will forge a pathway for revealing any type of ink on any type of substrate '. Some of our logs that were written in vase water should be sent to help them calibrate their results.  ;)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 04 October 2019, 11:49:49
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Helen J on 05 October 2019, 11:06:33
It's a repeat - but if you're in the UK and haven't seen it, there's a good programme on Channel 4 at 8pm tonight about the hunt for HMS Erebus.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Thursday Next on 05 October 2019, 15:23:44
These tea bags release billions of plastic particles into your brew, study shows (https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2019/09/27/these-tea-bags-release-billions-plastic-particles-into-your-brew-study-shows/?wpisrc=nl_green&wpmm=1)
:-X :-X :-X

And not only do we ingest the plastic, the teabags don't compost either!  :'(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 05 October 2019, 16:53:23
It's a repeat - but if you're in the UK and haven't seen it, there's a good programme on Channel 4 at 8pm tonight about the hunt for HMS Erebus.

Watched it for the second time around and it was just as engrossing.

When Melville was searching for De Long of the Jeannette he worked on Inuit information which helped him.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 05 October 2019, 16:58:40
These tea bags release billions of plastic particles into your brew, study shows (https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2019/09/27/these-tea-bags-release-billions-plastic-particles-into-your-brew-study-shows/?wpisrc=nl_green&wpmm=1)
:-X :-X :-X

And not only do we ingest the plastic, the teabags don't compost either!  :'(

I only found out about  this the other day when someone pointed out that used tea bags were going into the food waste bin incorrectly. I was staggered to find out that someone thinks it's a good idea to put plastic into tea bags.  I'm wondering if I can get that sorted out at work. Back to leaves and use tea balls/teapots. If the Environmental Change Institute can't sort itself out who can?  ::)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 05 October 2019, 17:19:05
 You go, girl! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Thursday Next on 06 October 2019, 15:34:06
These tea bags release billions of plastic particles into your brew, study shows (https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2019/09/27/these-tea-bags-release-billions-plastic-particles-into-your-brew-study-shows/?wpisrc=nl_green&wpmm=1)
:-X :-X :-X

And not only do we ingest the plastic, the teabags don't compost either!  :'(

I only found out about  this the other day when someone pointed out that used tea bags were going into the food waste bin incorrectly. I was staggered to find out that someone thinks it's a good idea to put plastic into tea bags.  I'm wondering if I can get that sorted out at work. Back to leaves and use tea balls/teapots. If the Environmental Change Institute can't sort itself out who can?  ::)

You may not need to go back to leaves as there are some plastic-free teabags available https://www.independent.co.uk/extras/indybest/food-drink/best-plastic-free-tea-bags-clipper-t2-pukka-twinings-a8982626.html but you have to hunt around for them, and they tend to be more expensive.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 09 October 2019, 00:08:45
Just bought loose tea - and had them put it in a Twinings tin I brought with me ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 09 October 2019, 00:12:53

Happy Birthday
BaroquePearl !


(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/99/aa/b3/99aab369f25b73f3ccdd48cbe7243d30.jpg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hurlock on 09 October 2019, 01:36:29
Happy Birthday
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: studentforever on 09 October 2019, 05:04:10
Just in case anyone is wondering why we bother

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-49978007

 :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 09 October 2019, 08:38:13
Happy birthday BaroquePearl!!

(https://imgur.com/OAXlSZw.png)


Have a fun day
:D :D :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 09 October 2019, 08:43:32
Just in case anyone is wondering why we bother

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-49978007

 :'( :'( :'(

Oh No!!!  This is terrible news for sure. I join you in weeping studentforever  :'( :'( :'(

The Antarctic Situation is crazy. A lump of ice the size (almost) of the Isle of Skye just broke off:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-49885450

PLEASE - don't buy farmed pink fish (typically salmon or trout) because they steal krill from the pengs to colour the flesh.  :'( :'( :'(

Just off to post these on PenguinWatch - it's good to know the science - but heartbreaking.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 10 October 2019, 00:16:51

Happy Birthday
shiplover !


(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xU5ZWBUBslA/T5wO9AwXgjI/AAAAAAAAKbc/lEEDK1F1BTk/s1600/GC1_0333.JPG)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hurlock on 10 October 2019, 01:41:56
Happy Birthday
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 10 October 2019, 08:36:49
Have a happy birthday Shiplover!

(https://i.imgur.com/qGkoRv8.png?1)

;D ;D ;D

Apparently this was a 'Titanic' ship cake. Can't avoid a little joke that it probably 'went down well' (like all tasty cakes of course  ;))
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 10 October 2019, 09:50:32
Happy Birthday, Shiplover!!!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 10 October 2019, 13:06:23
Happy Birthday, BaroquePearl and Shiplover!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Dean on 10 October 2019, 17:55:55
(https://i.imgur.com/mtV7DWE.jpg).    (https://i.imgur.com/HXKEJUZ.jpg).  (https://i.imgur.com/w90v0mz.jpg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Caro on 12 October 2019, 03:46:00
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/NRyc4x00wfYOahCwxmRo9n36Q23cfRxVDUhrYK895HWWPxWQJyUwdeCjKcuR40AFobf9D5kIoWyRpexN3D96GZRDT2pBvqHVss8iCPA_hb9gOK0vDrDRm-dB-ssZQOKv0dfyRJS9WV0m08bRMjQBQFwjCcjgmxZoxk7xUvi2QjAALLP3vU24wsLFM29eNT-QOermINJEfk9wwx6JSn2QUBG3S2wYDZeVmM0njvm9BEvrw2MIx-YU6KgHcAUlH43aCRGUxlZ96qgf57Ll6rWQzXSyfri7fbwKHkBZJ5ttylooDbaKB2xO6f4p0TMhU9dGS7_X7T9ESagnC9JyiBThtHvIpcHkMGYmF-yT0mTHJLfc96BPumParArU3-phv_PDKWHpiIkd5JKiNBwnblggMX2zLTijdPCUQNyKjQ3sDCCJLiuQzx45NHYKkYDis13WVsocc7F0FXk3ZwUZddqoSKQs5JbSmu70wDKHas9fCjeAGS3T00wtLKvUgZ5RthfZSFbagoPa8WS0-5SZ0tmJFg4QniiJE0uzIrjZb1fZGS1VvtiC3UPsCMW4C6rp560WB7tNE52f-xwP0w9WrRp5S2Wc0zXJqQv1lbK5efNrIMkqkBEOsfR2KnV4H_nfbSYH-woC7ARjNirEJKScHK-H8LTp7r3rtwJGmu_DtRtoKjbsAWnNRG3PtgoHZvbqSn9213IwygZC6Rh6WDexeoYbECzY44hvilkHXFm-kTcr3SMick8b3A=w564-h441-no)

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO US!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: studentforever on 12 October 2019, 05:31:31
Ye gods, I've been with OW for over 8 years! I wasn't one of the first but I started out when the Beeb first ran a feature on us. Well, all I can say is that has been a fascinating experience and while, since I've never met any of you face to face, I'm reluctant to describe you as 'friends', I have definitely got to know some wonderful and supportive people. You've shared your knowledge (not all of it to do with weather, the Navy and computers), you've encouraged me when things got difficult and been understanding when life has got tricky. The really wonderful thing is that, all being well, we will be continuing into the future.

MANY HAPPY RETURNS TO US
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 12 October 2019, 09:00:29
That's a lovely birthday card Caro. 9 years - wow! :D :D :D


Happy Birthday OW!


(https://i.imgur.com/bebuDZo.png)

Admiral Robert Fitzroy, father of meteorology, sends his best wishes.
Backdrop - the windy Beaufort Sea of course   :) :) :)



Hi Studentforever you reminded me of a study of OW waaaaay back now. The teeny tiny graph column is 'Looking for new online friends'. It was a question that surprised me at the time. ;)
(https://imgur.com/2EgmwDr.png)

So I wondered what the graph would look like just for me today, and here it is...  ;) ;)
(https://imgur.com/PBlnMJj.png)

Not quite sure of the day I joined by my first post was on April 27, 2012  :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Helen J on 12 October 2019, 11:02:57
Happy birthday to us!  I'd just been trying to remember how long ago I joined; I knew it wasn't right at the beginning, but not all that long after.  I've just checked my earliest post, which was in December 2010, so my 9 year anniversary isn't all that far off.

Thank you all for being such a wonderful group of shipmates - I wouldn't have stuck with it without you.

Helen J
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 12 October 2019, 11:12:27
Happy Birthday to us!

I don't remember the exact date, but I also joined after seeing the Beeb article.
It's been quite a journey - not just for the project, but for myself. I've really grown and matured a lot since back then, and I don't think I would have managed it without all of you, without this amazing community.
Thanks everyone!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: studentforever on 12 October 2019, 11:37:57
Yes, in about a month it will be 9 years since my first post! So, onward and upward even though I am now almost 100% on the history side. I console my scientific conscience by sorting out all those weird places recorded in the log - I've just put noon-time coordinates on several days entries for HMS Durban. So, if those folk at the Met Office haven't included the weather for that day they will now be able to enter it. OK it is Japan so there may be some nearby shore records but still.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 12 October 2019, 12:13:29

Happy Birthday
Old Weather !


(https://www.tinyme.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/10-nautical-cakes/10-Nautical-Cakes-2.jpeg)







My first forum post was 05 January 2011, but I started transcribing sooner.
I'm not certain, but I think I learned about OW from Science News.
The OW forum family got me through some rough times...
Thank you.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: jil on 12 October 2019, 12:35:08
Happy Birthday to us! It must be about my 8 year anniversary as well (although I didn't post until mid November).
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Caro on 12 October 2019, 12:48:03
I've been here forever.  ::) :-*
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 12 October 2019, 13:07:26
Happy Birthday to us!

I don't remember the exact date, but I also joined after seeing the Beeb article.
It's been quite a journey - not just for the project, but for myself. I've really grown and matured a lot since back then, and I don't think I would have managed it without all of you, without this amazing community.
Thanks everyone!

That's such a nice thought hanibal  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: studentforever on 12 October 2019, 15:25:30
Yes Hanibal, you have literally grown up with us, from schoolboy to graduate to employed. We've enjoyed your company and been in awe of your typing speed. We've also been thankful for your tips about dealing with the internet problems, especially after you learned how to communicate with us oldies about these things which were so blindingly obvious to you but so baffling to us.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 12 October 2019, 15:51:47
 :) :) :)!!!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 13 October 2019, 09:41:18
Happy Birthday
U. S. Navy !
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Kevin on 13 October 2019, 11:02:30
Happy OW birthday everyone!

And just as a small present I would like to relate (one of those) moments from an event I attended yesterday at the UW. It was a tour of three laboratories in Oceanography for an invited group of diplomats. One of the presentations was about corals and ocean acidification. The lead scientist explained that changes in the microstructure of coral skeletons can be used to infer the pH (acidity) of the seawater at the time of formation. A sort of proxy pH meter. And, he said, luckily, there was a fisheries research ship sailing up and down the west coast of North America in the 1890s that scooped up many samples of coral that were then sent to the Smithsonian Institution. He is now analyzing these samples as a benchmark of 'pre-industrial carbon' in the ocean, but he wished he had better information about the circumstances when they were collected.

Can you guess what ship it was? And who's got that missing information?   
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 13 October 2019, 11:30:48
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hurlock on 13 October 2019, 12:02:54
The first ship I worked on some four and a half years ago was the USFC Albatross.  It was the first ship specially designed for Ocean research and did many dredges and trawls around the US.
I would expect that this ship is the answer.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 13 October 2019, 16:52:05
Thanks Kevin :D



and

Happy Birthday
U. S. Navy !

from me too :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 13 October 2019, 17:32:09
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Dean on 14 October 2019, 17:45:01
First Log I can find in my Archives that I transcribed is M23 - dated July 2012.  I was doing the 'weather data' before that for a few years.  Found out about us from an article in Scientific American.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 15 October 2019, 14:39:15
Happy Birthday CATPerrault!!

(https://imgur.com/waBO6CI.png)


Have a lovely day

;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 15 October 2019, 15:21:04
Yes!!

Happy Birthday
CAT Perrault
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 15 October 2019, 17:57:46

Happy Birthday
CATPerrault !


(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9f/1c/5b/9f1c5b53380fe2f27868f4977cca7cb2.jpg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 16 October 2019, 05:52:33
Hey that's a breathtaking cake Randi!   :D  I bet it tastes good too ;)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: CATPerreault on 16 October 2019, 22:01:56
Oh gee thanks gang! ;D That's very sweet of you all. Speaking of which, I'm stuffed full of sweets!  :P
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 17 October 2019, 12:25:13
Some pretty cool photos from the Wildlife Photographer of the Year contest:

https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/wildlife-photographer-of-the-year-2019-winners-scli-intl/index.html
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 17 October 2019, 12:55:24
Penguins for Joan!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Helen J on 17 October 2019, 13:03:56
Those are amazing - thanks for posting them, hanibal.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 17 October 2019, 14:01:36
Yes, thank you!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 17 October 2019, 16:56:34
Oh gee thanks gang! ;D That's very sweet of you all. Speaking of which, I'm stuffed full of sweets!  :P

 ;D ;D ;D  Never mind - you've got a whole year to get over the sugar rush  ;)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 17 October 2019, 17:00:49
Some pretty cool photos from the Wildlife Photographer of the Year contest:

https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/wildlife-photographer-of-the-year-2019-winners-scli-intl/index.html

Yeh! You're right Randi - penguins for me :D :D :D  Thanks for posting these hanibal. They are amazing. The fox and the marmot is remarkable.  :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: BaroquePearl on 18 October 2019, 00:26:13
A rather belated Thank You for all the beautiful birthday wishes! Such lovely cakes, wow.  And a Happy B-Day to all others and OWW as well. Obviously my birthday resolution should be to make it to the Chat board a bit more often.  :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 19 October 2019, 08:10:46
A rather belated Thank You for all the beautiful birthday wishes! Such lovely cakes, wow.  And a Happy B-Day to all others and OWW as well. Obviously my birthday resolution should be to make it to the Chat board a bit more often.  :)

And you'd be very welcome to be here - all work and no play etc etc...  ;) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 19 October 2019, 08:14:39
I didn't spot this coming through during the summer...I was probably hidden in the coolest place I could find...  ::) :'(

(https://imgur.com/Am4KKVH.png)

The Radcliffe Met Station has the longest set of records in the UK. They are over 200 years old. And proof that students can get out of bed early. The records ust be made at the same time every day. Some of the equipment still lives in the old observatory. The daylight meter had to move to the top of Engineering which is just above the treeline :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 19 October 2019, 10:41:18
Not 8)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 19 October 2019, 10:44:38
Quote from: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=5246.msg164495#msg164495
The Long Blue Line: Americas first ice ships and icebreakers (https://compass.coastguard.blog/2019/10/18/the-long-blue-line-americas-first-ice-ships-and-icebreakers/)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 19 October 2019, 11:44:12
Quote from: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=5246.msg164495#msg164495
The Long Blue Line: Americas first ice ships and icebreakers (https://compass.coastguard.blog/2019/10/18/the-long-blue-line-americas-first-ice-ships-and-icebreakers/)

That's a great article. Exciting to see the Northland at work :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Caro on 22 October 2019, 15:31:59
Danish Rubjerg lighthouse moved inland on skates (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-50139900)

 :o Quite a story.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: ggordon on 24 October 2019, 13:17:09
Any Mac OS users should be aware of this LibreOffice issue and workaround.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/libreoffice_latest_victim_of_curse_of_catalina/ (https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/23/libreoffice_latest_victim_of_curse_of_catalina/)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 24 October 2019, 17:43:44
Thank you Gordon :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 29 October 2019, 17:20:27
This day in history, 50 years ago...

Quote
Charley Kline, a UCLA student, tries to send "login," the first message over ARPANET, at 10:30 P.M. on October 29, 1969. The system transmitted "l" and then "o" and then crashed. This event marks both the first message sent over the Internet, and the first server crash.

We had to wait awhile, though, before the Blue Screen of Death made its appearance.  ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 29 October 2019, 17:53:14
This day in history, 50 years ago...

Quote
Charley Kline, a UCLA student, tries to send "login," the first message over ARPANET, at 10:30 P.M. on October 29, 1969. The system transmitted "l" and then "o" and then crashed. This event marks both the first message sent over the Internet, and the first server crash.

We had to wait awhile, though, before the Blue Screen of Death made its appearance.  ;D

It's a shame that it ever un-crashed looking at the amount of time-wasting stuff that appears  ;)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Thursday Next on 30 October 2019, 12:49:20
On the other hand, we would never have been able to work on Old Weather without it ...
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 30 October 2019, 18:11:32
On the other hand, we would never have been able to work on Old Weather without it ...
 

:o :o :o  now there's a ghastly thought. Ok - change of mind - long live the net!!  ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hurlock on 31 October 2019, 03:42:15
When I first started OW about 5 years ago the first ship name I came across was SS City of Topeka.  This ship was one of the rescue vessels sent to the tragedy of the SS Valencia.  This is a harrowing tale of great life loss which has spawned a number of ghostly sightings and the odd reappearance of one of the ships lifeboats some 30 years later. The following site gives a quite factual account of it all but misses out on some of the more ghostly elements that have grown up around the story.  The reports of a lifeboat and skeletons found in an inaccessible sea cave and also the reported visions of the wrecked ship seen in fog banks or ships smoke.
https://www.historylink.org/File/7382
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: studentforever on 31 October 2019, 05:01:50
What a terrible long drawn out end for so many people. It makes us thankful for GPS and radio SOS signals.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 31 October 2019, 15:21:37
Thanks for posting that!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Kevin on 01 November 2019, 21:05:15
I think this is one of the better stories we've had about OW over the years, produced by our local public radio station a few years ago:
https://www.opb.org/news/article/what-long-dead-whalers-have-to-do-with-climate-change/
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 01 November 2019, 21:15:52
Thanks, Kevin!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 02 November 2019, 07:47:27
I think this is one of the better stories we've had about OW over the years, produced by our local public radio station a few years ago:
https://www.opb.org/news/article/what-long-dead-whalers-have-to-do-with-climate-change/

Oh - that's pretty good Kevin!  ;D Love the graphics. We're heading up to that date and I know that some of our logs will be a loooong stretch in ice. We did the Beluga in the old Scribe system.  :D

What amazes me is the use of steam to get right up to the north coast of the US/Canada, and settle in for the winter in the hope of getting a flying start into the next season.  :o
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 02 November 2019, 08:57:12
Wonderful article. Thank you...
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Tegwen on 02 November 2019, 09:36:09
I have just bought something amazing from Ebay, almost without realising it.

It was advertised as a photo album of HMS Yarmouth pictures, with no indication of the number of photos & only a couple of pictures to show the type. As I had some pictures already from HMS Yarmouth's post war trip round South Africa I was interested, and managed to get the album for what I think was a good price. If it was just Yarmouth post war it would have been a reasonably good buy.

However, the album is over 300 photos, half of which are from HMS Espiegle starting just before WW1 & going right through the Mesopotamia Campaign, including pictures of all those ships that we transcribed, such as the Blosse Lynch, Massoudieh etc. It includes pictures of the launch of some of those Insect class gunboarts at Abadan. Also pictures of actions against the Turks, and their aftermath. Also copies of captured Turkish telegaph communications. A real historical treasure.

Just a bit of a shame that we dont have Espiegle's logs from the Mesopotamia campaign as we do for Clio & Odin, as well as for some of the gunboats. It will be difficult to identify some dates etc, but many I will be able to find as the ships tended to work together, at least in the early stages of the Mesopotamia campaign.

The advertisement did not even mention Espiegle, let alone the Mesopotamia campaign, so all this was a huge bonus for me.

I have never seen any of the pictures before, so I think they are entirely unpublished, with the possible exception of a couple of Yarmouth in the Panama Canal. The quality is variable, but some are the best quality pictures of that age that I have ever seen & all are in good condition.

I now have masses of work to do identifying dates & researching people, ships etc. It shouldnt be hard to identify who took them as there cant be many officers who were on both HMS ESPIEGLE & HMS YARMOUTH.


Since I bought this album I have spent many happy hours working on the photographs, & trying to identify as much as possible from each picture. Many can be identified to date & location.

I have also managed to work out who took the pictures. There is one person in several photographs with the initials AGS underneath. Other officers are identified by full name. By looking in the index of books on the Mesopotamia campaign I identified Arthur George Seymour, Second Lieutenant on HMS Espiegle as probable. The clincher was that he was also on HMS Yarmouth for her journey round South Africa. He was fairly easy to research his basic details as he was third son of a lord so in Burkes Pearage.

I have also sent both albums away to be professionally scanned so that I have the security of knowing that they are safe, but also so that I can share them.

If you are interested here is a link to a shared folder with scans of the albums.  https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1PB2QdlqVO20a7sWehbuRBdbyifxDp-wC

You will find three files. One, ?copy of photo album? are the scans of all of the pages of the main album, over 400 photos. These include transcripts of translations of Turkish telegrams indicating some of their plans. There are also many from HMS Yarmouth after the war, but also some others including the Diyatalawa rest camp in Ceylon & some from Kashmir, probably after the war.

There is also a file ?Notes on AG Seymour?s album?, which are my research notes on AGS & on each photo in that album. I dont claim that work is complete yet. There are people & some events still to look up.

Finally there is file of scans of another folder which is called the "black folder". Those are another collection of photos also by Seymour, from the HMS Yarmouth trip, presumably the ones that didn?t make the main album. I bought those separately on ebay. That file includes scans of my notes on those photos, which I keep in the same folder.

I should add that contrary to my comment above a few of the pictures have in fact been published including at least one on a postcard that I have and a few in Captain Nunn's book on the Naval Campaign in Mesopotamia.

Please don?t feel that you have to view them all, it would take weeks, but I hope you enjoy seeing some of them.

Feel free to ask if these raise any questions, or if you have any problem viewing them.

Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 02 November 2019, 09:40:20
8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Helen J on 02 November 2019, 10:52:28
Wow, what a fascinating project!  Just another example of the wonderful things which are coming out of this whole enterprise.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: studentforever on 02 November 2019, 12:18:35
Fascinating collection, I hope you can use them to inspire some more of your research.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 02 November 2019, 12:44:58
Oh gosh  :D :D :D Can't wait to see them - this computer is a bit small to manage the files  :'(  What an astonishing find. The details of the messages might be very useful to historians/museum keepers?
I wonder if one of the insect class was the Tarantula - that's the one that had its barometer wrecked by an ants nest. :D

Congratulations on working out who the photographer must have been. I wonder if the pictures originally started with his family?   :)

Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 02 November 2019, 15:34:16
Just in case you are at a loose end there's a TV prog about Scott and Shackleton's ships just staring at 8.30 pm on UK Channel 5  :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Tegwen on 02 November 2019, 16:03:17
Oh gosh  :D :D :D Can't wait to see them - this computer is a bit small to manage the files  :'(  What an astonishing find. The details of the messages might be very useful to historians/museum keepers?
I wonder if one of the insect class was the Tarantula - that's the one that had its barometer wrecked by an ants nest. :D

Congratulations on working out who the photographer must have been. I wonder if the pictures originally started with his family?   :)

Yes, There is a picture of HMS TARANTULA. She was the first British military unit into Baghdad when the Turks left on the 10th of March 1917. It is photo 166 on page 33. Sadly no picture of the ant's nest.

Having said that I realise that I made a mistake when I mentioned Insect class. It was the Fly class, which were the smaller gunboats that were assembled at Abadan. The insect class, Tarantuala & Mantis travelled there under tow or their own steam.

I also realise that it is very difficult to identify individual pages, as they arent numbered & I decided that it would damage the album to write numbers on the pages. I am planning to buy image editing software that will enable me to write photo numbers & page numbers onto the scanned images, to help.

I would love to know how the photos ended up being sold by a dealer. It may be that his family didnt want them after he died & they were perhaps cleared from his house or similar.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 02 November 2019, 17:27:48
Thanks! I'll look forward to seeing Tarantula then. I confess that I hadn't heard of the Fly class. I did the edit on the Acacia - Flower class (nice)  ;)
I just can't imagine how much fun it was opening the parcel to receive all of those goodies  :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Maikel on 03 November 2019, 09:32:01
I am planning to buy image editing software that will enable me to write photo numbers & page numbers onto the scanned images, to help.

Why not have a look at GIMP, it's free.
https://www.gimp.org/

Also useful to watermark the photos if you don't want someone else to take credit for them.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 03 November 2019, 10:52:16
Irfanview, which is free, will also allow you to do so. It also works with PDF files. I use it for entering IPTC data (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPTC_Information_Interchange_Model) like keywords and titles. I tried Gimp, but I prefer Irfanview. It's really great for enhancing images, too.

(https://i.imgur.com/geqVf1I.jpg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 03 November 2019, 14:26:05

Belated
Happy Birthday
Arboggs !


(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/af/3f/bb/af3fbb77ce84af86eb8ba042308d4e21--polar-bear-party-polar-bears.jpg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 03 November 2019, 14:57:21
Yes! And a

Very Happy Birthday

 from me, too!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 03 November 2019, 17:56:37
A Very Happy Birthday arboggs!!

(https://imgur.com/ObeuqrS.png)

:D   :D   :D   :D   :D 
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: jil on 04 November 2019, 05:28:45
I have also managed to work out who took the pictures. There is one person in several photographs with the initials AGS underneath. Other officers are identified by full name. By looking in the index of books on the Mesopotamia campaign I identified Arthur George Seymour, Second Lieutenant on HMS Espiegle as probable. The clincher was that he was also on HMS Yarmouth for her journey round South Africa. He was fairly easy to research his basic details as he was third son of a lord so in Burkes Pearage.

I have also sent both albums away to be professionally scanned so that I have the security of knowing that they are safe, but also so that I can share them.

If you are interested here is a link to a shared folder with scans of the albums.  https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1PB2QdlqVO20a7sWehbuRBdbyifxDp-wC

You will find three files. One, ?copy of photo album? are the scans of all of the pages of the main album, over 400 photos. These include transcripts of translations of Turkish telegrams indicating some of their plans. There are also many from HMS Yarmouth after the war, but also some others including the Diyatalawa rest camp in Ceylon & some from Kashmir, probably after the war.

There is also a file ?Notes on AG Seymour?s album?, which are my research notes on AGS & on each photo in that album. I dont claim that work is complete yet. There are people & some events still to look up.
Fascinating album, I got quite exiting about getting a few OW related postcards, so I can't imagine what it was like when you first looked through this.

Some possible help with confirming names on HMS Yarmouth (apologies if you've already got this!)
https://digital.nls.uk/british-military-lists/archive/94383872
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 04 November 2019, 13:30:39
Happy Birthday Arboggs!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: arboggs on 05 November 2019, 00:45:28
Thank you for the birthday wishes!!!!   :D :D :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Dean on 07 November 2019, 17:49:37
(https://i.imgur.com/HXKEJUZ.jpg).   (https://i.imgur.com/aVXZ1jZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Tegwen on 08 November 2019, 06:51:20
I have also managed to work out who took the pictures. There is one person in several photographs with the initials AGS underneath. Other officers are identified by full name. By looking in the index of books on the Mesopotamia campaign I identified Arthur George Seymour, Second Lieutenant on HMS Espiegle as probable. The clincher was that he was also on HMS Yarmouth for her journey round South Africa. He was fairly easy to research his basic details as he was third son of a lord so in Burkes Pearage.

I have also sent both albums away to be professionally scanned so that I have the security of knowing that they are safe, but also so that I can share them.

If you are interested here is a link to a shared folder with scans of the albums.  https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1PB2QdlqVO20a7sWehbuRBdbyifxDp-wC

You will find three files. One, ?copy of photo album? are the scans of all of the pages of the main album, over 400 photos. These include transcripts of translations of Turkish telegrams indicating some of their plans. There are also many from HMS Yarmouth after the war, but also some others including the Diyatalawa rest camp in Ceylon & some from Kashmir, probably after the war.

There is also a file ?Notes on AG Seymour?s album?, which are my research notes on AGS & on each photo in that album. I dont claim that work is complete yet. There are people & some events still to look up.
Fascinating album, I got quite exiting about getting a few OW related postcards, so I can't imagine what it was like when you first looked through this.

Some possible help with confirming names on HMS Yarmouth (apologies if you've already got this!)
https://digital.nls.uk/british-military-lists/archive/94383872

Thanks so much. I have attempted to look at the British Military List archive before, but never had much luck with it. I suspect that must have been my fault as your link takes me straight to a document that I can search for names. It will be a great help. Thanks again.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 08 November 2019, 14:11:32
Whilst looking for what a Franklin Bouy was I can across this site. Just a bit of fun which most will have heard of.

https://navyformoms.ning.com/forum/topics/navy-pranks-for-new-sailors-to (https://navyformoms.ning.com/forum/topics/navy-pranks-for-new-sailors-to)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Dean on 08 November 2019, 18:46:16
Whilst looking for what a Franklin Bouy was I can across this site. Just a bit of fun which most will have heard of.

https://navyformoms.ning.com/forum/topics/navy-pranks-for-new-sailors-to (https://navyformoms.ning.com/forum/topics/navy-pranks-for-new-sailors-to)

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 08 November 2019, 19:17:45
Whilst looking for what a Franklin Bouy was I can across this site. Just a bit of fun which most will have heard of.

https://navyformoms.ning.com/forum/topics/navy-pranks-for-new-sailors-to (https://navyformoms.ning.com/forum/topics/navy-pranks-for-new-sailors-to)
;D ;D ;D
In my dad's factory the new kids were sent to stores for a bucket of steam.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 08 November 2019, 20:24:12
We always treated all our new employees with the greatest of respect! I'm shocked and disappointed that not everyone is so considerate.  ::)  ;D ;D ;D

In fact, I often said that the practice of giving gifts to people leaving was pointless. They're leaving, who cares what they think. We should give gifts to the new people coming to work with us so they would have a positive first impression.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 09 November 2019, 05:03:43
In fact, I often said that the practice of giving gifts to people leaving was pointless. They're leaving, who cares what they think. We should give gifts to the new people coming to work with us so they would have a positive first impression.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

That makes a lot of sense! I'll see if I can bring it up at work.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 09 November 2019, 07:26:32
The Long Blue Line
Coast Guard Cutter Bear and NOAA hunt for the Bear
(https://compass.coastguard.blog/2019/11/07/the-long-blue-line-coast-guard-cutter-bear-and-noaa-hunt-for-the-bear/)

I've read lots of things on OW that made me cry with laughter, and plenty that made me cry in sorrow. But the one that gets me every time is the death of the Bear  :'( :'( :'(   I'm so excited that she might be found, very excited indeed. What a wonderful combination of staff from NOAA and the USCGC, and I loved the resultant description "making the Coast Guard a ?Swiss Army knife? of services.".    I wish them all every luck.  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 09 November 2019, 11:59:39
Great article, Joan! That was very nice to read after all the time I've spent with the Bear's logbooks.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Helen J on 09 November 2019, 12:34:52
Fascinating article, and what great work.  I do hope they find Bear.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 09 November 2019, 13:26:54
Me, too!!!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 09 November 2019, 19:38:47
Thanks to Randi for that bit of news about the Bear ;)   I'll be watching for next Spring's results  :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Helen J on 11 November 2019, 05:49:23
Watching a BBC programme about the new Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier yesterday evening, I was intrigued to discover that officers are still trained to navigate using a sextant, because it's possible that all other means, using satellite GPS etc, could be blocked by an enemy in wartime.  Sometimes the old ways are still the best!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 11 November 2019, 08:53:42
Watching a BBC programme about the new Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier yesterday evening, I was intrigued to discover that officers are still trained to navigate using a sextant, because it's possible that all other means, using satellite GPS etc, could be blocked by an enemy in wartime.  Sometimes the old ways are still the best!

Exactly so!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 11 November 2019, 09:30:15
Definitely!
I wonder how some gps-using car drivers would manage if the system went down.



Or just electrical problems...
Canadian aircraft too ;) (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=5116.msg164041#msg164041)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 11 November 2019, 23:41:53
A Song of Our Warming Planet (https://ensia.com/videos/a-song-of-our-warming-planet/)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 12 November 2019, 00:08:14
Definitely!
I wonder how some gps-using car drivers would manage if the system went down.


God forbid that, I would be lost.  :o


Or just electrical problems...
Canadian aircraft too ;) (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=5116.msg164041#msg164041)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 12 November 2019, 18:37:50
A Song of Our Warming Planet (https://ensia.com/videos/a-song-of-our-warming-planet/)

I like this - great idea - and it's a better sound than glaciers calving too often :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 17 November 2019, 18:43:33
Northland 1933 9th March.

Not an entry you see often in a log book.

10:15pm
Police removed a 1928 Essex automobile containing a corpse from estuary at foot of Market street.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 17 November 2019, 20:26:49
I can't say I ever saw one like that!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 18 November 2019, 08:23:06
Oh gosh - that's a nasty way to go  :o
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Shesswin on 19 November 2019, 18:10:00
Hi All!  Greetings from the Great North...or should I say the "Balmy North" these days!  Weather in southcentral AK has been unseasonably warm.  Very bad for glaciers and permafrost.  Over the weekend Anchorage and communities surrounding it received anywhere between 8-12 inches of snow and temps were in the mid to lower 30's.  Today temps are in the mid 30's to lower 40's and we have rain and freezing rain.  Ugh!  Makes for some really dreary days.  Glad I have OW to work on!!  This weather is to persist for the rest of the week so that means we may be snowless again soon.  I miss our "typical" winter.  I've come to believe that all over the globe there is no more "typical" weather any more!  Sharon
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 19 November 2019, 19:51:32
Thanks!



Greetings from the great North East (southwestern PA)!

Today was high 30s to low 40s and no precipitation
November has been colder and dryer than normal.
This year has been warmer and wetter than normal.
::)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 19 November 2019, 21:17:55
Hi All!  Greetings from the Great North...or should I say the "Balmy North" these days!  Weather in southcentral AK has been unseasonably warm.  Very bad for glaciers and permafrost.  Over the weekend Anchorage and communities surrounding it received anywhere between 8-12 inches of snow and temps were in the mid to lower 30's.  Today temps are in the mid 30's to lower 40's and we have rain and freezing rain.  Ugh!  Makes for some really dreary days.  Glad I have OW to work on!!  This weather is to persist for the rest of the week so that means we may be snowless again soon.  I miss our "typical" winter.  I've come to believe that all over the globe there is no more "typical" weather any more!  Sharon

Hi Sharon.
I am finding the same with the weather downunder in OZ. Bushfires followed by hailstones etc.
I was thinking that is hot till I remembered you use those old units F.  ::). At the moment we are also in the 30s (C) ;D

Just starting to work on my Alaska trip and hoping your weather will be good by mid next year.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 20 November 2019, 03:28:04
Thanks to all the programmer of Ver 2.7   ;D
I do like the new features like not having to put in the . in the baro reading and only entering the last two number.
The auto advance for the next location box and setting the start position.
Alt L and Alt E are nice and neat now with Tab straight through the boxes.
Now if I could just find a turn on/off function to jump down 4 lines when in port ::)
Worked it out. Enter data, return down to 4th line and enter data then use Tab and it drops down 4 lines. NICE.  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 22 November 2019, 21:55:12
Stuck in Arctic Ice, Dodging Polar Bears. All for Science. (https://nyti.ms/34c4glZ)

Quote
Despite difficult ice conditions and curious polar bears, a German research icebreaker [Polarstern] with 100 scientists and crew members is comfortably adrift in the frozen Central Arctic, two months into a yearlong expedition to study the region's changing climate.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 23 November 2019, 07:57:22
Hi All!  Greetings from the Great North...or should I say the "Balmy North" these days!  Weather in southcentral AK has been unseasonably warm.  Very bad for glaciers and permafrost.  Over the weekend Anchorage and communities surrounding it received anywhere between 8-12 inches of snow and temps were in the mid to lower 30's.  Today temps are in the mid 30's to lower 40's and we have rain and freezing rain.  Ugh!  Makes for some really dreary days.  Glad I have OW to work on!!  This weather is to persist for the rest of the week so that means we may be snowless again soon.  I miss our "typical" winter.  I've come to believe that all over the globe there is no more "typical" weather any more!  Sharon

Hi Sharon,
I've just been sweeping through the log of the whaler Belvedere and the following is 'now' in 1897. Kevin did say that temperatures can fluctuate a great deal up there. They are just 60 miles short of Point Barrow at the very top tip of Alaska.

Week 8  since getting iced into the Sea Horse Islands 15th - 21st November 1897
Direction:  Static
Weather:  Thermometer reaches 24 above zero F. Snow returns.
Sea Ice: 20 inches thick

Just 3 weeks later:
Wk11 06/12 
Direction:  Static
Weather:   26 below zero F. NE wind and ends with snow storm.   :o

Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 24 November 2019, 09:05:42
Great Joy!! After 2/3 weeks of working with a deputy machine I tried opening up my dear OldTankDell laptop. The 'dead' keyboard is back working again.   Sooooo happy!  :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 24 November 2019, 09:12:01
(http://pre12.deviantart.net/8cd9/th/pre/f/2012/298/d/1/thumbs_up__by_cradet-d5ixmo7.png)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Helen J on 24 November 2019, 09:18:54
Great Joy!! After 2/3 weeks of working with a deputy machine I tried opening up my dear OldTankDell laptop. The 'dead' keyboard is back working again.   Sooooo happy!  :D

Great news - perhaps it just needed a rest? 
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 24 November 2019, 09:28:16
Great Joy!! After 2/3 weeks of working with a deputy machine I tried opening up my dear OldTankDell laptop. The 'dead' keyboard is back working again.   Sooooo happy!  :D

Great news - perhaps it just needed a rest?

Thanks Randi and Helen ;D    It certainly earns itself a rest now and then ;)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: studentforever on 24 November 2019, 10:07:22
Maybe its resident gremlin was missing its chocolate and decided to interfere but it's now forgiven you.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 24 November 2019, 13:05:36
Maybe its resident gremlin was missing its chocolate and decided to interfere but it's now forgiven you.

Oh! I bet that's what the CD tray is for these days - next time I'll try popping a few wafer thin chocolate mints in there. Simple!  Thanks!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 25 November 2019, 22:34:58
Hi All!  Greetings from the Great North...or should I say the "Balmy North" these days!  Weather in southcentral AK has been unseasonably warm.  Very bad for glaciers and permafrost.  Over the weekend Anchorage and communities surrounding it received anywhere between 8-12 inches of snow and temps were in the mid to lower 30's.  Today temps are in the mid 30's to lower 40's and we have rain and freezing rain.  Ugh!  Makes for some really dreary days.  Glad I have OW to work on!!  This weather is to persist for the rest of the week so that means we may be snowless again soon.  I miss our "typical" winter.  I've come to believe that all over the globe there is no more "typical" weather any more!  Sharon

North Pole doesn't have enough ice for its ice festival
Caroline Floyd
The Weather Network November 26, 2019

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/north-pole-doesnt-enough-ice-000000699.html (https://ca.news.yahoo.com/north-pole-doesnt-enough-ice-000000699.html)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 25 November 2019, 22:58:10
:'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 26 November 2019, 07:26:02
At this rate we'll be entertaining our granchildren (or great grandchildren) with exciting stories of snow as we take them round a 'Museum of the Arctic - or - How things were in the (c)old days'  :-\ :-[ :( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 28 November 2019, 00:21:59
For those of you who haven't decided what to fix today...

Coast Guard Thanksgiving (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=5246.msg165351#msg165351)

Navy Thanksgiving (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=5247.msg165352#msg165352)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 28 November 2019, 18:38:38
For those of you who haven't decided what to fix today...

Coast Guard Thanksgiving (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=5246.msg165351#msg165351)

Navy Thanksgiving (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=5247.msg165352#msg165352)

Woo! That's a lot of yummy choice!  :D :D :D

Here's what you get when you are a whaler stuck in ice for the winter at Herschel Island (top of Canada, nearly at the Alaska boundary and a tiny bit south of the Beaufort Sea  :o)
        Roast Pots & Duck with all fixings
What else would you have for pudding?  Ice cream ::) ;D (then again it is only 12 degrees below zero F. that day, quite balmy)
The Beluga, Winter 1897, Thursday 25th November (https://archive.org/details/logboookofbeluga00belu/page/34)

(https://imgur.com/X07XNl0.png)

Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 28 November 2019, 20:08:02
Readings from the Pittsburgh Int'l. Airport through 5 p.m. Nov 27, 2019

Temperature
High  ............................ 62
Normal high  ..................... 46
Year ago  ........................ 30
Record high  ..................... 75 (1990)
Low  ............................. 44
Normal low  ...................... 31
Year ago  ........................ 25
Record low  ...................... 7 (1930)

Departure from normal
Yesterday  ....................... +14.3
Month to date  ................... -5.5
Year to date  .................... +1.0


Precipitation (inches)
24 hours ending 5 p.m yest.  ..... 0.12
Month to date  ................... 1.63
Normal month to date ............. 2.90
Departure from normal  ........... -1.27
Year to date  .................... 48.91
Normal year to date  ............. 35.01
Departure from normal  ........... +13.90




Readings from the Pittsburgh Int'l. Airport through 5 p.m. Nov 28, 2019

Temperature
High  ............................ 39
Normal high  ..................... 46
Year ago  ........................ 26
Record high  ..................... 73 (1990)
Low  ............................. 35
Normal low  ...................... 31
Year ago  ........................ 23
Record low  ...................... 8 (1930)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 30 November 2019, 00:14:51

Happy Birthday
to our very own
Caro


(https://cdn001.cakecentral.com/gallery/2015/03/900_875789exoS_donkey-cake.jpg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hurlock on 30 November 2019, 03:09:09
Happy Birthday
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: jil on 30 November 2019, 03:29:13
Happy Birthday, Caro!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 30 November 2019, 04:44:54
Happy Birthday, Caro!

(http://www.creativecatgd.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/black-cat-cake.jpg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Helen J on 30 November 2019, 05:17:16
Happy birthday, Caro - enjoy it all.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Caro on 30 November 2019, 07:22:25
Thank you everyone.
All my favourite things: donkeys, cats and cake, not necessarily in that order.  ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 30 November 2019, 09:41:40
Wishing you a very special and happy day Caro!

(https://imgur.com/tkjIiK7.png)

Happy Birthday!!!


;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Thursday Next on 30 November 2019, 13:59:18
Many Happy Returns, Caro!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Dean on 30 November 2019, 16:16:22
Dear Caro:

(https://i.imgur.com/HXKEJUZ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Pe4VikM.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/aVXZ1jZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 01 December 2019, 15:08:28
Do NOT update to LibraCalc Version: 6.3.3.2 (x64).
Not stable.

CC on Tech board with more details.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 01 December 2019, 15:42:01
We always recommend using the older, tested version...
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1p29DrIPa5s1TZGXZwtcHOpFZ0AhFdHBLmKCgJQ7REmw/pub?start=false#slide=id.p

Gordon says the flickering buttons problem should be fixed in their next release.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: ggordon on 01 December 2019, 16:53:45
There is a known bug in LibreOffice since version 6.3.0 that causes some of our buttons to flicker.  They have a fix for it which they plan to include in version 6.3.4.  However, I would recommend against installing that version because that will still be considered a test version.

Version 6.2.8 should work fine for OW.  I'm currently using version 6.0.7 because I'm running Linux/Ubuntu and that's the most recent version supported by the Ubuntu team.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 01 December 2019, 17:04:24
LibreOffice version 6.2.8.2 (x64) is working for me.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 02 December 2019, 00:17:00
6.4 beta 1 is now working OK now I have got it set up correctly.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Helen J on 02 December 2019, 09:29:18
A good news story, especially for Joan.

https://www.buzznick.com/oldest-person-sweaters-for-penguins/?fbclid=IwAR0IT6jdA-R_hMS8NnYdoC5seLdGNsRr24w9cvcGsKcxWUSH18_eaOg-OUw
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 02 December 2019, 14:06:38
That is great. Made my morning.  ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 02 December 2019, 14:08:05
A good news story, especially for Joan.

https://www.buzznick.com/oldest-person-sweaters-for-penguins/?fbclid=IwAR0IT6jdA-R_hMS8NnYdoC5seLdGNsRr24w9cvcGsKcxWUSH18_eaOg-OUw

What a great story. Made my morning.  ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 02 December 2019, 19:06:08
A good news story, especially for Joan.

https://www.buzznick.com/oldest-person-sweaters-for-penguins/?fbclid=IwAR0IT6jdA-R_hMS8NnYdoC5seLdGNsRr24w9cvcGsKcxWUSH18_eaOg-OUw

What a great story. Made my morning.  ;D

Thanks Helen! That's one amazing man making an amazing story - I'll post to PW tomorrow.   I'm so impressed by Albert - first of all he's self taught before the age of the internet (where you can learn just about any craft from what I've seen), and he's kept going to 109 years old. Those penguins are so lucky.  Albert's a hero in my book  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 05 December 2019, 12:43:55
Wreck of the SMS Scharnhorst discovered (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-50670743)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 05 December 2019, 17:40:58
Wreck of the SMS Scharnhorst discovered (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-50670743)

Oh wow!  That's an important find...let's hope that it doesn't disappear in the way that some ships have been vanishing recently.  :-[
Shame that we didn't get a mention for having handled the logs for the ships in that battle  :-\  ::)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 07 December 2019, 11:28:52
I'm happy/shocked/not surprised/disappointed (you choose) to report that even in this high tech world it's hard to report a temperature correctly. It reminded me of the log keepers' occasional errors.  :)

From the Crows nest display of the environmental conditions on the MV Eurodam a few hours after we left San Diego Harbor. Note the temperature of 0C.  ;D  No sign of ice outside!!!  ;D ;D ;D

(http://i.imgur.com/aUcnMh1.jpg) (https://imgur.com/aUcnMh1)

PS The displays elsewhere were OK.  ;)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 07 December 2019, 11:35:27
Note the temperature of -0C ::)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 07 December 2019, 11:48:10
Amazing - just goes to show that even science can develop. Clearly we need this level of tech to understand that -0C exists. Even  without ice  ;D ;D ;D

Hi Michael!!  :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 08 December 2019, 12:28:27
Quote from: https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/tips/abandon-big-city-fall-love-repeat-live-out-your-hallmark-movie-fantasies-these-festive-towns/?utm_campaign=the_optimist&utm_medium=Email&utm_source=Newsletter&wpisrc=nl_optimist&wpmm=1
North Pole, Alaska
Population: ~2,100


(https://www.washingtonpost.com/resizer/rtXpsiEocrojaSfMCJkz3vyeLZQ=/1484x0/arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/VANTJ6QQREI6VESMWNGQTO6JJA.jpg)
Santa Claus House, in North Pole, Alaska, started out as a general store and post office and has grown into a year-round attraction. The town is 14 miles southeast of Fairbanks. (iStock)

Perhaps the most perfect backdrop for a meet-cute is North Pole, Alaska. The town is so dedicated to the season that even its city government website has a Christmas countdown on the homepage. About 15 miles outside of Fairbanks, the town of North Pole's main attraction is Santa Claus's house, where visitors can take photos with the big man himself as well as some real reindeer.

The holiday season kicks off with such fanfare as a winter festival, a candle-lighting ceremony, a community tree-lighting (maybe this is your best bet for bumping into an attractive stranger) and ice carving. Airbnbs in the area are aplenty, including deeply romantic log cabins that advertise visibility of the Northern Lights.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 09 December 2019, 14:43:53

Happy Birthday
Gordon


(http://www.skagwayalaskatours.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/f4aa30056c15f567698b7a8a41c4a8c0.jpg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 09 December 2019, 15:21:51
Yes, indeed!

A Very Happy Birthday to you, Gordon!!!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 09 December 2019, 16:27:58
If   Birthday = Yes     
  Then Print Happy Birthday Gordon

Happy Birthday Gordon

Else Print Not today

End

(Give me a break, it's 50yrs since I coded)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 09 December 2019, 16:29:33
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 09 December 2019, 17:07:39
Nice one, Stuart  ;D
Here's the same code in Java, for comparison:

if ( LocalDate.now() == Gordon.getBirthday().getDate() ) {
    System.out.println("Happy Birthday, Gordon!")
}
else {
    System.out.println("Not today")
}

Hmmm... That does look pretty dense, but Java is rather verbose compared to other modern programming languages (Which is a good or bad thing depending on how you feel about it...)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 09 December 2019, 17:49:45
That looks like hard work.
My first coding was in BASIC.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 09 December 2019, 19:11:46
(I thought that Java was a type of coffee?  :-\ ;D)


A very happy birthday to you Gordon!

(https://imgur.com/C1PtZx4.png)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: ggordon on 09 December 2019, 21:44:47
Thank you so much everyone!   8)

I just returned from one of my favorite activities; a Volkssport walk.  This one was in Orting, a small town near the base of Mt. Rainier.

Does OW have an age limit?  If so, I must be approaching it.   ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 10 December 2019, 04:54:58
Thank you so much everyone!   8)

I just returned from one of my favorite activities; a Volkssport walk.  This one was in Orting, a small town near the base of Mt. Rainier.

Does OW have an age limit?  If so, I must be approaching it.   ;D

Yep - age 120 years - keep going!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 14 December 2019, 22:39:02
A very happy birthday to you Gil!!!

(https://imgur.com/xku8pIq.png)


;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 15 December 2019, 00:22:20

Happy Birthday
Gil Compo


(http://images.gawker.com/amopdlrxiowu7ltxj3qw/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800.jpg) (http://thevane.gawker.com/meteorologist-makes-the-best-weather-geekiest-cake-eve-1559259241)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Gil.Compo on 15 December 2019, 16:49:11
You all are so sweet and thoughtful. Thanks!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 18 December 2019, 00:46:22
Mid to high 40s (C) expected in SE Australia this week.
In some places that is 20c above average (and it usually gets hotter in January).
Together with Bush fires and no significant rain expected before March/April not a good outlook.

 Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2019/12/17/australia-braces-highest-temperatures-recorded-history-amid-blistering-heat-wave)
 ABC news (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-17/heatwave-weather-australia-south-east-states-to-swelter/11804502)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 18 December 2019, 00:51:39
We're supposed to be in the 40s here too --- (F) ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Kevin on 18 December 2019, 11:13:14
Here's a small story in Smithsonian about the age of bowhead whales.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/there-are-whales-alive-today-who-were-born-before-moby-dick-was-written-660944/
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 18 December 2019, 11:26:56
 8)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 18 December 2019, 12:29:37
It makes me feel very happy to know that these creatures are seeing a turn in their fortunes - however slender it be. Recently the Inuit caught a whale with an 1871 harpoon head in it.

HOW many logs have we worked on where it could have been that whale? 'Drew the iron, going fast to windward, could not follow' is the phrase that always makes me feel a happy bunny. I'll see if they worked out what the ship was (they usually marked their irons).  :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Helen J on 18 December 2019, 13:30:35
Wow!  Perhaps one of them escaped from Fleetwing - I confess I'm always cheering when Adaline records that they lowered the boats for a whale but he (she always calls them he) got away.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 18 December 2019, 16:47:36
Sorry - got the date slightly mixed up, but it's still in the 1870s. Helen I know what you mean - it's a bewitching idea isn't it? ;) :D

Here's the content of the news article:

Whale survives harpoon attack 130 years ago to become 'world's oldest mammal'
by DAVID GARDNER
Last updated at 23:37 13 June 2007

A giant bowhead whale caught off the coast of Alaska had a harpoon point embedded in its neck that showed it survived a similar hunt ? more than a century ago. Alaskan whalers found the harpoon fragment. Biologists claim the find helps prove the bowhead is the oldest living mammal on earth.

They say the 13-centimetre arrow-shaped fragment dates back to around 1880, meaning the 50-ton whale had been coasting around the freezing arctic waters since Victorian times.
(https://imgur.com/fo7iCsi.png)

Because traditional whale hunters never took calves, experts estimate the bowhead was several years old when it was first shot and about 130 when it died last month. Calculating a bowhead whale's age can be difficult, and is usually gauged by amino acids in the eye lenses. It is rare to find one that has lived more than a century, but experts now believe the oldest were close to 200 years old.

"No other finding has been so precise," said John Bockstoce, a curator at the New Bedford Whaling Museum in Massachusetts.The weapon fragment lodged in a bone between the whale's neck and shoulder blade comes from a 19th century bomb lance.  Experts have pinned down the weapons manufacture to a New England factory in about 1880 and say it was rendered obsolete by a less bulky darting gun a few years later. [...] The bowhead was protected by a one foot thick layer of blubber and thick bones it uses to break through ice one foot thick to breathe at the surface.

"It probably hurt the whale, or annoyed him, but it hit him in a non-lethal place," said Mr Bockstoce. "He couldn't have been that bothered if he lived for another 100 years." The find adds growing weight to evidence that bowheads outlive all other mammals. Six similar harpoon points have been found in the whales since 2001, all suggesting they live much longer than previously thought.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 18 December 2019, 16:56:33
Neat!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 18 December 2019, 23:25:02
Hot enough for you, Stuart? I see it is 40.5 in Gosford for Christine, and a relative humidity of 11%. Smoky, too, I suspect.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 19 December 2019, 00:33:14
2 big fires just started this afternoon and 2 that may join into a MEGA fire area (Blue Mts and Gospers creek).
Between 20 and houses lost just this afternoon at the Bargo fire and thousands of peoples Christmas plans in disarray.
Bad day expected on Saturday. 45c+ and strong winds.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 19 December 2019, 04:54:49
2 big fires just started this afternoon and 2 that may join into a MEGA fire area (Blue Mts and Gospers creek).
Between 20 and houses lost just this afternoon at the Bargo fire and thousands of peoples Christmas plans in disarray.
Bad day expected on Saturday. 45c+ and strong winds.

Oh gosh - Stuart that is such bad news  :'(  Losing your home and beloved belongings at this time of year is so hurtful,it's bad at any other time, but at Christmas  :'( :'( :'(
I really hope that you get as cool and wet spell soon  :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: jil on 19 December 2019, 06:56:52
On BBC Radio 4 this afternoon (hopefully also available outside the UK) Inside Science (https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000cc1v), the first item on the list is 'Ten Years of Zooniverse'. It was the previous science program in this same time slot that alerted me to the existence of OW (8? years ago)

Stuart, hope it cools down soon. Wish we could send you some of our rain!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 19 December 2019, 07:31:51
Oooo - must catch that on iplayer then. I can make a recording of it to post on here I think - I'll give it a go. :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: jil on 19 December 2019, 11:46:19
Oooo - must catch that on iplayer then. I can make a recording of it to post on here I think - I'll give it a go. :)
As an added incentive Adam Rutherford said Penguin Watch is his favourite. But no mention of OW  :'(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: studentforever on 19 December 2019, 11:55:06
Just listened. Super plug for Zooniverse but concentrated on astronomy and zoology projects. I suppose the main groups. He did mention papyri (I think the Oxyrhyncus project based in Oxford where they are trying to marry up fragments of papyrus carrying old text, mainly in Greek, Latin or Coptic. I had a brief flirtation there but found the interface clunky and I spent more effort fighting it than doing the transcription). He did indicate that they may be trying to marry AI and volunteers but our more specialist OW missed out, so did the museum transcriptions. Ah well! In 10 min or so he couldn't cover everything but he did put in an appeal for new volunteers to drop in and see if they wished to become a committed 'citizen scientist' rather than a 'tourist'.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 19 December 2019, 12:00:09
I suspect that some of our friends and families think we should be committed ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Helen J on 19 December 2019, 12:35:50
I suspect that some of our friends and families think we should be committed ;D

 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 19 December 2019, 13:28:03
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 19 December 2019, 22:29:03
120F (49.9C) Wednesday on the Nullarbor.
Australia's NATIONAL average on Tuesday was 40.9.

Rosemary.
Please explain.
I had a brief flirtation there but found the interface clunky and I spent more effort fighting.    :o ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 19 December 2019, 22:44:16
:o :o :o
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 21 December 2019, 00:24:52

Happy Birthday
AvastMH
(Joan)


(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/7c/3e/5d/7c3e5d53e9b509c73cce3aef58aaa383.jpg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: arboggs on 21 December 2019, 00:34:58
Happy birthday, Joan (AvastMH)!!!  :) :D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hurlock on 21 December 2019, 01:42:08
Happy Birthday Joan
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 21 December 2019, 01:46:58
Happy Birthday to You.
Happy Birthday to You.
Happy Birthday dear Joan.
Happy Birthday to You.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: espross on 21 December 2019, 03:31:32
Happy birthday, Joan!

I found you a suitable cake: https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/gallery/photo/33240

Eric

Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Caro on 21 December 2019, 03:55:03
 Happy birthday Joan!

(https://images.spiritofnature.co.uk/images/452039-Santa-Hat-Hedgehog-Charity-Christmas-Cards.jpg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: jil on 21 December 2019, 04:12:56
Have a very Happy Birthday, Joan!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 21 December 2019, 05:49:52
Happy Birthday, Joan!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Helen J on 21 December 2019, 07:27:55
Happy birthday, Joan - I hope it can be full of light on this darkest day of the year.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Dean on 21 December 2019, 07:43:48
Happy Birthday Dear Lady!!   Enjoy the Day!!  ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 21 December 2019, 11:11:44
Happy Birthday Dear Joan!!!

We couldn't do this without you!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Starbuck19 on 21 December 2019, 12:26:25
Happy Birthday, Joan!  Enjoy your day!  🎉🎂💫
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: propriome on 21 December 2019, 13:44:23
 :D :D :D

Happy birthday Joan!!!

 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Thursday Next on 21 December 2019, 15:56:29
Many Happy Returns, Joan!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Gil.Compo on 21 December 2019, 16:12:54
Wishing you a Very Happy Birthday Joan!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 21 December 2019, 17:19:36
Awwwwww thank you everyone!!!! 

Thank you for all your wonderful birthday wishes. There's nothing like arriving here on your birthday to find so many kind wishes! You're so right Helen - this is certainly light in the shortest day of the year (Stuart - put on a blindfold to experience the northern darkness ;)  8))
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Amazing cake Randi...you are so good at cakes   ;) ;D

And thank you espross - here's your pan-cake-ice picture  (click it to see it in 'big')   ;D
(https://imgur.com/awBQXUy.png)

I'm throwing a birthday tea so come and join in everyone...
(https://imgur.com/jKhpml4.png)

I've saved the victoria sponge for Andrew (Marshall) ;)
(https://imgur.com/q1I6Iqi.png)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: BaroquePearl on 22 December 2019, 01:21:38
A teeny tiny wee bit late HAPPY BIRTHDAY JOAN!!!  Hope it was a lovely day  :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 22 December 2019, 13:51:57
Haven't decided what to have for Christmas dinner yet?

Here are some ideas...

See the menus at Chronology of Navy History (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=5247.msg166097#msg166097)

More tomorrow!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 22 December 2019, 18:48:02
A teeny tiny wee bit late HAPPY BIRTHDAY JOAN!!!  Hope it was a lovely day  :)

Awww- thanks Terry!  ;D



Randi - I'll take the Christmas 1926 on the USS Colorado please. :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 23 December 2019, 12:15:11
Hungry?
Chronology of Navy History (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=5247.msg166115#msg166115)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 23 December 2019, 14:44:07
Oh more - yummy!

The USS Bridge 1939 please - they have apple pie on the menu. I loooooove apple pie  ;) 8)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 23 December 2019, 15:52:59
And after dinner drop by Holidays in the U.S. Log Books (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4300.msg166124#msg166124)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 23 December 2019, 19:35:46
And after dinner drop by Holidays in the U.S. Log Books (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=4300.msg166124#msg166124)

Feet on the table linen - what will they think of next?  ;D
I have a friend who needs applause before the punch line  :o ::) ;D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 23 December 2019, 19:43:51
What can I say. They're Navy. I was Air Force. We threw buns.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Starbuck19 on 23 December 2019, 20:14:30
Happy Holidays!
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 24 December 2019, 05:57:59
Happy Holidays!
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all!

Thank you Starbuck19! And a big thank you for your work on the Whalers!  And a very fine Christmas and New Year to you. :D :D :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Caro on 24 December 2019, 12:08:25
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ZUplWZFM7xQrc5Mt2Bzc2VIdmwwuYMm4aiR8KR968WgNSXexOYftGUJE0S4-Gkg8shDaYtDn4K_s-0usZBLRA0CEughgrmGUZC-1AO4zn25q73LK_40MCRnuWzvk8KIDq0ab-itRcJJqvITqZgmzWQ5aBKJ0vlGooe-qpXg30NbG_Fm66aNuvUfvWpEzuUe9oMTbwe09pFhZ0iiBla4dyfQq6Nmwiyw3B6bsyYVAdo76QEDSh1NyOiW6M42nMaUxoC13ynp6OvrGoD5vG-YFkik6Gpld6QtEHDlSAPUzgapmgs3Z_caaV37RQnONBESCqF3Ss9dZdjUVJjRfWSBZcRbbuuSTRfJ1wdDhQCIGCUgADx-nE5eq8RbcQzopsATmc_QYT4ajw4CPneTc_llAVBt_dpCH5pnL3MY0m0tFFKkcxLXs7Gja8wXtjn97HX-4IrxZVPDCyA2GhsZ33Wykir7pMSqu9NGJsVnLY3-CeknR5JXdW_XiP4eEnHIxl1Y00Wb3zRTB5JQnmf0t6oYvsnI6whw-wkVGc9Q2o7vR1NbcSF9apFfQM3aBp9lO1DhJQhGh-S9vlg7gGvStAflOFA2PMuab-ygEljGU9XsCtCW3J1nAv4jD8ZQ39InFzskZrdFb06h9aJMUOeN2rT8x_7gTusEwklN9IPV7vZSVKhw47vSO3kQiqFRJDSqFFTsVkYTfZsbQjXEq5nu5PzWsn7ibz1q8xHKmkOAlFAytLl8ghfj3WA=w460-h594-no)

                                          :) :) :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 24 December 2019, 14:20:22
Eat hearty! (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=5247.msg166149#msg166149)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Caro on 24 December 2019, 16:30:52
(http://www.ww1photos.com/Archive_Royal_Navy_Christmas.jpg)

Christmas with the Royal Navy in Scotland 1915

 :)

Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 24 December 2019, 18:22:07
I love all the stockings hanging on that magnificent Christmas tree  :D :D :D

40 minutes to get to bed and hide before Santa comes to us in England.  Stuart's already seen visited I hope :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hurlock on 24 December 2019, 19:00:14
Happy Birthday Anita and Happy Christmas everybody.

The weather damp and dreary here in Yorkshire, England.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 24 December 2019, 19:27:52

A very happy birthday to you Anita

(https://imgur.com/YANPzSm.png)

:D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Kevin on 24 December 2019, 19:50:59
Happy Christmas and thank you one and all.

A poem of recognition and remembrance for all the sailors at sea this Christmas and past hundreds before.
Christmas at Sea, Robert Louis Stevenson

The sheets were frozen hard, and they cut the naked hand;
The decks were like a slide, where a seamen scarce could stand;
The wind was a nor'wester, blowing squally off the sea;
And cliffs and spouting breakers were the only things a-lee.

They heard the surf a-roaring before the break of day;
But 'twas only with the peep of light we saw how ill we lay.
We tumbled every hand on deck instanter, with a shout,
And we gave her the maintops'l, and stood by to go about.

All day we tacked and tacked between the South Head and the North;
All day we hauled the frozen sheets, and got no further forth;
All day as cold as charity, in bitter pain and dread,
For very life and nature we tacked from head to head.

We gave the South a wider berth, for there the tide-race roared;
But every tack we made we brought the North Head close aboard:
So's we saw the cliffs and houses, and the breakers running high,
And the coastguard in his garden, with his glass against his eye.

The frost was on the village roofs as white as ocean foam;
The good red fires were burning bright in every 'long-shore home;
The windows sparkled clear, and the chimneys volleyed out;
And I vow we sniffed the victuals as the vessel went about.

The bells upon the church were rung with a mighty jovial cheer;
For it's just that I should tell you how (of all days in the year)
This day of our adversity was blessed Christmas morn,
And the house above the coastguard's was the house where I was born.

O well I saw the pleasant room, the pleasant faces there,
My mother's silver spectacles, my father's silver hair;
And well I saw the firelight, like a flight of homely elves,
Go dancing round the china-plates that stand upon the shelves.

And well I knew the talk they had, the talk that was of me,
Of the shadow on the household and the son that went to sea;
And O the wicked fool I seemed, in every kind of way,
To be here and hauling frozen ropes on blessed Christmas Day.

They lit the high sea-light, and the dark began to fall.
"All hands to loose topgallant sails," I heard the captain call.
"By the Lord, she'll never stand it," our first mate Jackson, cried.
..."It's the one way or the other, Mr. Jackson," he replied.

She staggered to her bearings, but the sails were new and good,
And the ship smelt up to windward just as though she understood.
As the winter's day was ending, in the entry of the night,
We cleared the weary headland, and passed below the light.

And they heaved a mighty breath, every soul on board but me,
As they saw her nose again pointing handsome out to sea;
But all that I could think of, in the darkness and the cold,
Was just that I was leaving home and my folks were growing old.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 24 December 2019, 20:02:45
Thank you, Kevin!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 25 December 2019, 00:16:00

Happy Birthday
Anita


(https://www.cakeclicks.com/images/cakeclicks/8f/8f2996ebef1aed0962f9aa88e4cb11d8.jpeg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Maikel on 25 December 2019, 03:54:16
Top of the season to you all.

Yet again an animated Christmas wish.
And yes, it's rather silly, but luckily it's short, about 20 seconds.
Lets break through the barrier of 2019 to advance to the new decade, shall we? :)

Watch the animation here: https://www.youtube.com/embed/mR7NwYXDv80
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: studentforever on 25 December 2019, 05:04:00
HAPPY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Hanibal94 on 25 December 2019, 06:00:57
Happy Holidays, and Happy Birthday Anita!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 25 December 2019, 06:52:16
Watch the animation here: https://www.youtube.com/embed/mR7NwYXDv80

That's a lot of fum Maikel - thank you!

A Very Merry Christmas to All

:D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 25 December 2019, 09:31:53
Happy Birthday, Anita!!!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 25 December 2019, 09:32:33
Merry Christmas to All!!!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 25 December 2019, 09:43:44
Well done, Maikel!



Happy Christmas to all !!!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 25 December 2019, 12:09:23
Would you believe it?!
Some lunatic posted still more Christmas pictures in Chronology of Navy History (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=5247.msg166196#msg166196) ::)
Don't people have anything better to do with their time?
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 25 December 2019, 12:12:06
 :o :o :o
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: adflora on 25 December 2019, 12:36:46
Merry Christmas, everyone!
Thank you for the birthday wishes too.
Enjoy the day!

Anita
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Dean on 25 December 2019, 19:11:59
While Volunteering at the Herschell Carrousel Factory Museum for Lunch with Santa (and 100 little ones) I got to ride with the Old Gent!   ;)

(https://i.imgur.com/8IXJkA3m.jpg)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 25 December 2019, 20:07:44
Dean, I bet that Santa really enjoyed meeting you and riding on the carousel  ;D ;D



So many Navy dinners - and an awesome selection of extensive menus they are.  :D

From the whalers we are proud to offer Christmas Dinner 1897 on the Beluga, Captain H Bodfish (still a surname that makes me goggle and chortle). They were stuck in the Arctic intentionally at this point. But it got beyond a game the following year when the great Overland Expedition had to rescue them.

They got local produce where possible - i.e. the ducks.  ;) ::)

Beluga Dec 25th 1897 (https://archive.org/details/logboookofbeluga00belu/page/35) (at 15 degrees below zero Fahrenheit)

Roast Duck & Pork
Apple & Cranberry sauce
tea & Claret wine.
2 kinds of cake & 2 of pie. 2 kinds of Ice Cream

(https://imgur.com/nTG9hdJ.png)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Helen J on 26 December 2019, 05:09:29
Happy Christmas everyone - a bit belated, but remember Christmas goes on until January 6th (at least ....)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 31 December 2019, 17:24:52
Happy New Year to all and I hope it will be better than some in Australia.

Severe bush fires in NSW, Vic and SA.
These reports may give you some idea how bad it is.
https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/homes-and-lives-threatened-in-victoria-as-bushfires-claim-volunteer-nsw-firefighter/live-coverage/eccdbf36e90795da92052636148934be (https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/homes-and-lives-threatened-in-victoria-as-bushfires-claim-volunteer-nsw-firefighter/live-coverage/eccdbf36e90795da92052636148934be)

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/dec/31/australia-bushfires-towns-devastated-and-lives-lost-as-blazes-turn-the-sky-red (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/dec/31/australia-bushfires-towns-devastated-and-lives-lost-as-blazes-turn-the-sky-red)

At Mallacoota on the Victorian/NSW border thousands of residents and holiday makers were ordered on to the beach and into the sea as fire and embers rained down on them. They were in the sea for up to 8 hrs.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-31/girl-in-mask-on-boat-in-mallacoota-1/11834486 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-31/girl-in-mask-on-boat-in-mallacoota-1/11834486)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 31 December 2019, 17:55:06
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 31 December 2019, 18:02:39
 :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 31 December 2019, 18:36:31
 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Be well and be safe Stuart!!
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 31 December 2019, 19:08:48
Thanks.

This is the up to-date fire map for NSW.  (https://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/fire-information/fires-near-me)
My location is near the M1 Hwy halfway between Central Coast and Newcastle (North of Sydney)
Nearest fire is at Charmhaven 14 km away south.

Some fires are generation their own PyroCumulas clouds.
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 31 December 2019, 20:48:12
On a more cheerful note, I just came across Time ball (https://stardate.org/radio/program/2019-12-30?te=1&nl=morning-briefing&emc=edit_NN_p_20191231&section=backStory?campaign_id=9&instance_id=14870&segment_id=19955&user_id=dbbc73506986ff107ba21face1c7410b&regi_id=79267039on=backStory)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Michael on 31 December 2019, 20:58:49
We saw the one in Sydney some years ago, when we were doing a walking tour with Christine's Aunt Lesley.  :)
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: AvastMH on 31 December 2019, 21:25:42
They mention 1881 in Boston, I wonder which of our ships might have checked their time against that one? :D
Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: ellensmn on 31 December 2019, 22:13:14

HAPPY NEW YEAR, EVERYONE!!

I'm wondering, where do OW'ers stand on when the new decade starts--is it now, or will it be the year 2021?       ???

Title: Re: Chat - 2019
Post by: Randi on 31 December 2019, 22:26:46
It feels like it now, but 2021 seems to be the technically correct choice :-\



Check out our log keeper's new year's day poetic efforts at Chronology of Navy History (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=5247.msg166338#msg166338) and Chronology of Coast Guard History (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=5246.msg166336#msg166336).