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Title: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 02 September 2012, 11:53:41
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If you need help transcribing see:
Bear -- Reference: Transcription Example and Log Description (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3615.0)

Guides for US logs: drawing entry boxes, transcribing and editing (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3078.0)
Getting Your Sea Legs (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=4.0)
The Logs and FAQ (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=7.0)
Handwriting Help (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=8.0)
Technical Support (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?board=14.0)


If you are interested in the names of crew members see:
Bear -- Crew Lists (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3405.0)








Example of what a weather page might look like when transcribing the last line of data:
Page link (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Bear/Bear_1894/pics2%20136_0.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img849/5757/wxmr.jpg)



Example of what an events page might look like after the data has been transcribed:
Page link (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Bear/Bear_1894/pics2%20136_1.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img153/4035/fmiw.jpg)

The date is required.
You may transcribe more or less other information than is shown here.

Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 02 September 2012, 13:06:07
I don't know if this picture is already doing the rounds - but found it in Wiki... The Bear in Emma Harbour. Vast and daunting arctic vista!
Joan





Phew!  That puts human endeavour in perspective.  Where is Emma Harbour?  I've only done a bit of transcribing on Manning so far, and I don't think I've reached Emma.





Helen & Joan - Please excuse me for doubling up your posts, but I needed an empty first post.
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 02 September 2012, 14:10:39
Wiki says:
A bay in Chukotka, Russia, now Komsomolskaya Bay, a branch of Provideniya Bay, NE Siberia, just below where Siberia pretty much touches Alaska (just a fraction to the left of dead centre on this 1928 map:
 8)
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 17 September 2012, 10:27:55
I just received my exciting purchase: 'The Coast Guard Expands 1865-1915, New Roles, New Frontiers. There's a whole chapter on the Bear. And BOY have you got exciting times ahead - in about 1889 there's a ship's uprising. Dr White (ship's dr) reports that for 30 days over the July 'The Captain appears about crazy and is almost blind. He has drunk...four gallons of my whisky besides his own and much more from the whaler's beer and wine not counted. This makes four weeks of continuous drunk.'  :o :o :o Wow - that's going to be one interesting log - lot's of reading between the lines I should think...  Interestingly Dr White makes a visit to the Thetis - and is very praiseworthy of it's status.  :D
My first impression of the US boats was 'boring' but now...bring it on!  8)
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 September 2012, 15:38:37
That captain would be Michael "H..l Roaring Mike" Healy.  A very complex man, definitely a life-long alcoholic, who set the standard for the role of the Coast Guard in the frozen north that is still followed today.

He has a chapter in "Alaska and the U.S. Revenue Cutter Service, 1867-1915"  -   By Truman R. Strobridge, Dennis L. Noble
Not fully available to buy as an ebook, but the 3rd chapter comes up online and it is wholly about this one man.
http://books.google.com/books?id=VSx7-ZqB1C0C&pg=PA209&lpg=PA209&dq=Report+of+the+cruise+of+the+revenue+Corwin+1889&source=bl&ots=aNeb70eF0w&sig=nsV1Tl4wX0mflaDQQSZ4JZTfJO0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=XWhXULLWMOf6yQH60YHQBA&sqi=2&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Hell%20Roaring%20Mike&f=false
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 17 September 2012, 16:08:11
Yes he's really fascinating Janet,
He had the life of which Holywood's great movies are made - born to a slave and a plantation owner in the South - would have had to be a slave, so sent to NY - brother became a Bishop - the first black bishop in the US, another brother became the first President of Georgetown University. He fought alcohol himself, and for native peoples in Alaska. Found himself having to be the serious law enforcer, and aboard boat surrounded by many who might have viewed him as lesser in social stature. 'By 1881, he was known as a brilliant seaman; by 1894 he would become a legend in his own time and the best known American in Alaska'.
What a whopper story - you couldn't make it up.. - anyone able to write the script - who'd star as Healy?

 I found this book whilst nosing around:

Captain "Hell Roaring" Mike Healy: From American Slave to Arctic Hero (New Perspectives on Maritime History and Nautical Archaeology)
Dennis L. Noble (Author), Truman R. Strobridge (Author)   
Hmmm -might go on the xmas list....
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 17 September 2012, 16:10:06
Darn - replied in the other thread - OW addiction...sorry!
J :)
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 September 2012, 16:35:53
If that's the worst mistake you make today, you are living the good life. ;D

I'm moving that answer to here - not simple, but definitely possible.


DONE.
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 18 September 2012, 01:42:47
Whilst this probably should go under handwriting, as it is about the Bear I put it hear.
Just starting with the Bear I need some pointers as to the handwriting and what to expect.
Will start with cloud type 9am http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Bear/BEAR_001_jpgs/b001of002_0045_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Bear/BEAR_001_jpgs/b001of002_0045_0.jpg)
I see Cum ~~

Any other unusual pages or hard to read pages with answers would be appreciated until I get my eye in.
TIA
Stuart.
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 18 September 2012, 02:51:33
Do you want me to move these 2 posts into the Handwriting board and making them the "Bear Help Desk" like was done for the Grafton transcribers?  This ship might need that.

And if I had to guess, the clouds would be Cum-Ch, which makes no sense at all.  I'd leave the tildes in.
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 18 September 2012, 02:58:40
what ever you think best.
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 September 2012, 03:06:39
Cum Str
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 18 September 2012, 03:12:10
Thanks randi, will note that in my new word file for fixing.
whilst your hot to trot what is OCQ2 an at 6am and 8am and what is a 1pm  http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Bear/BEAR_001_jpgs/b001of002_0047_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Bear/BEAR_001_jpgs/b001of002_0047_0.jpg)

Hope to be able to read the logs before she finishes her voyage.  :D
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 18 September 2012, 03:28:06
ocq2 = overcast with detached clouds and squally winds (worse than usual squalls I assume, since squaring the 'q' is not in the chart instructions.)

I had to look up squally to determine exactly what kind of strong wind they were talking about exactly.  (Mostly because insomniacs get bored at night, I think.)  It was mostly what I thought.  If the log keeper was squaring his q, they must have been doing bad things indeed.

Webster's Dictionary 1913:
Pronunciation: skwạld
n.   1.   A sudden and violent gust of wind often attended with rain or snow.
The gray skirts of a lifting squall.
  - Tennyson.
Black squall
  a squall attended with dark, heavy clouds.
Thick squall
  a black squall accompanied by rain, hail, sleet, or snow.
White squall
  a squall which comes unexpectedly, without being marked in its approach by the clouds.
- Totten.
[/list]
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 September 2012, 03:32:57
It does look like ocq2, but I don't know what that means.

Here are the instructions for filing out the US log book: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3140.msg50700#msg50700

Janet beat me ;)
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 18 September 2012, 03:37:55
Thanks for your prompt reply.
I can close the page now without having to edit it later.
I got the cloud formations ocq,  but q2 thats one to store for later.
I guess it is like underscore or double underscore.

You both deserve another coffee for that.

Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 September 2012, 03:40:38
Perhaps this should simply be appended to the existing Bear thread to have all Bear issues in 1 thread?
(In the case of Grafton (The Ships, The Battles & The People / MOVED: HMS Grafton support desk ...), there was only that thread)
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 18 September 2012, 03:42:11
You and Janet sort that one out. ;)
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Caro on 18 September 2012, 04:47:49
I merged the topics. I hope this is what you wanted!  :D
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 18 September 2012, 05:15:50
That's how they were before I split them!

Truthfully, I was following what Stuart seemed to want, and don't care that much.  Stuart, do you want them split or merged?  If you care, we'll do that.  If you don't, majority rules on this among the mods and I'll leave them as one. 8)
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 18 September 2012, 06:07:30
I did not realize that I had made a choice.
Personally, I think all Bear stuff should be under the Bear heading.
Having said that, I am not going to complain (honest) if they are split.
I will leave it up to the powers to be.
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 September 2012, 06:55:49
I think this is correct ;)
I will put a note about the q2 in Handwriting Help.
I have never seen that before (except for fog - and that is not quite the same), but it may be more common on US ships.
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 20 September 2012, 04:07:21
Can someone who is further on than me (16 may 1884) tell me why the log reads 'Called all hands to abandon ship' etc and they are still taking readings the next day?

It did not indicate it was a drill.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Bear/BEAR_001_jpgs/b001of002_0066_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Bear/BEAR_001_jpgs/b001of002_0066_1.jpg)
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 20 September 2012, 06:14:53
There's no mention of it over the next week, so I guess it must have been a drill...does seem odd though. Especially as it does not mention re-stowing all the gear.  :-\
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 20 September 2012, 06:18:16
Looks like they didn't put the two month's provisions into the boats, which they surely would have if it hadn't been a drill. The log keeper must have thought that the continuation of the log was sufficient indication of a drill.
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 20 September 2012, 16:48:20
It did say 'Fitted all boats with two months provisions and all their equipment...............and stored two months provisions on deck........"
No mention of raising the boats back on board.

We will see.
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 20 September 2012, 21:04:54
If you are trying sailing to Disko Island, the port is Godhavn, it looks like Godham in earlier pages.
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 20 September 2012, 21:24:28
Just goes to prove, Greenland was owned by and settled by Scandihoovians.  I'm using what you found to teach me what kind of spelling to expect.  (Not so far off some of what I've been in, I'm an Ole from St. Olaf college.  They tell everyone who comes that they'll be Scandihoovian when they leave.  ;D )
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 20 September 2012, 22:28:26
I enjoyed my 3 weeks in Scandihoovian land last Feb.
I am not an Ole just an ofe.  :D
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 20 September 2012, 23:08:59
 ;D
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 20 September 2012, 23:44:44
May 22 1884.
Just left Godhavn.
To me the log reads Upesnavik and that is what i have entered(The s looks like the second s in passage).
I think Bear is actually heading for Upernavik.   
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 21 September 2012, 05:00:53
Yep.  A quote of myself from another post:

And there is a marvelous map of the Arctic (http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~31893~1151216:Canada,-Alasca,-Groenlandia,-Canada?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=q:greenland;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=14&trs=310) in the David Rumsey collection by Touring club italiano, 1929.  It is too small to show Lady Franklin Bay, but it does label the Hall Basin it opens into.  And it is in Canada, Ellesmere Island, not Greenland.
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 21 September 2012, 06:24:47
Can anybody tell me the name of the SS mentioned throughout the page, she seems to be running in tandem with the Bear.
I can read some of the log handwriting but still having some trouble with some words.
TIA
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 21 September 2012, 06:53:16
Not without being able to see the page ....
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 21 September 2012, 17:09:18
Don't you just hate it when you forget.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Bear/BEAR_001_jpgs/b001of002_0076_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Bear/BEAR_001_jpgs/b001of002_0076_1.jpg)
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 21 September 2012, 18:18:53
Looks like Fainne to me, but I don't find anything :-\
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 21 September 2012, 18:39:06
It seems to vary slightly with each mention.
Will note the page url and when I get more time and I hope I can get a few choices, I will go back to it.
Ta.

Whilst researching and trying 'frinne ship 1884' I came across http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_v_Dudley_and_Stephens, Interesting reading very grew some.
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 21 September 2012, 19:27:57
Looks like Jainone to me ?
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 21 September 2012, 19:29:50
Whilst researching and trying 'frinne ship 1884' I came across http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_v_Dudley_and_Stephens, Interesting reading very grew some.

Bleeeaarrrrgghhhh :P :P :P - bet better than starving I guess.... ::)
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 21 September 2012, 20:48:47
the first 2 letters look exactly like those in "Fresh", so maybe "Frinne"?

After I typed that, I searched on the map.  There is a town in Sweden named Frinnestadt.
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 23 September 2012, 12:45:11
Hello Caro and Randi, and any others!
For a forum page picture I've found:

There's either the picture in the thread:
link=topic=3096.msg50190#msg50190 date=1346597621

or the attached. Sadly I couldn't find any decent pictures of her as the feature ship in the 1930's movie version of Jack London's 'Sea Wolf' (only images found were the 1941 film = another boat)

One is at port - by not so pretty storage buildings, one is a bit washed out, one is a view of the arctic taken from the bear.  For a boat that was around for along time I was surprised not to find more pictures.
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 23 September 2012, 12:45:32
and one more
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 23 September 2012, 12:48:25
oh dear - two are too big - I'll send links of the url's via the PM system.
The picture at Seattle is fantastic - look at 'in big' to see a VERY smart car on the dock!
 :D :D
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 23 September 2012, 13:42:38
I did a Bing image search for "USRC Bear" and came up with this page.  Follow any of the images to its source. ;D

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=%22USRC+Bear%22&go=&qs=n&form=QBIR&pq=%22usrc+bear%22&sc=3-11&sp=-1&sk=


The bright red modern cutter included is I think the USRC Healy.
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 23 September 2012, 16:40:25
oh no - I was using 'USCG' that explains a lot!!!
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 23 September 2012, 16:51:12
So many to choose from - but this is my favourite only it's too big at about 390 KB - is there any way to reduce that? I'm not very good at that end of computing.

http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/49/094902918.jpg
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 23 September 2012, 16:55:00
(http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/49/094902918.jpg)

I'm sure Caro could do better ;D
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 23 September 2012, 17:05:37
It's that tiny fragile ladder leading off the bow that peaks my interest in this one. The steam up, odd rigging - the strange double yard arm above the mainsail that single's her out so easily, caught in ice. The whole thing smacks of adventure, and a successful homecoming despite all of that.
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 23 September 2012, 17:58:14
Is this what you want?
Nice pic, including the border, adds character to it.
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Caro on 23 September 2012, 18:03:24
Let me know if you would like a coloured version.
I promise not to make the colours too outlandish unless, of course, you like outlandish.
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 23 September 2012, 18:09:46
Hi Stuart,
Yes - That's the one..there are so many to choose from really, but the symbols on this one seem to hit the mark for the great Bear.
Caro has given the last couple a special touch up too - so if we are very good and ask VERY nicely..we might get a splash of colour into the icy white wilderness..though only the colour blue comes to my mind when looking at a scene like this. Brrrrr!
I'm just sorting out stuff for tomorrow morning - so not on for long now. I've done the weather grid for the Bear (are you trying it via excel - if so do let me now how...I have a theory myself)
J   :D
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 23 September 2012, 18:10:16
I like the B/W, after all the snow and ice was white in those days.
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 23 September 2012, 18:11:53
Hi Joan.
How do I get the xl grid?
Send me (the file that is)  by email.
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 23 September 2012, 18:15:31
Aha! Caro - great minds think alike!  ;D  I see Stuart's a great believer in white ice....
J :D
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 23 September 2012, 18:16:04
Hi Joan.
How do I get the xl grid?
Send me (the file that is)  by email.
I'm still working on it -it's coming!!
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 23 September 2012, 21:33:23
31 May 1884
Once again it looks like they are practicing for abandoning ship.  ;)
1 June 1884
Grounded on a rock and developed leaks.  :-[

Self determination theory?  :-\

Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 23 September 2012, 22:47:54
Self-fulfilling prophecy?

You know you're prepared so you get overconfident?

 ::)
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kathy on 23 September 2012, 23:26:08
28 January 1915:  President Woodrow Wilson signed into law the "Act to Create the Coast Guard," an act passed by Congress on 20 January, 1915 that combined the Life-Saving Service and Revenue Cutter Service to form the Coast Guard

 ;D

We have actually been identifying these ships incorrectly.   :o :D
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 23 September 2012, 23:50:52
Tradition!!!  What does logic matter? ;D

If google and bing searches and the Coast Guard itself say Revenue Cutter Bear (http://www.uscg.mil/history/webcutters/Bear1885.asp), then I have no intention of arguing with it.

I would note that in her 1884 logs we have, she had just been purchased by the USN and was the USS Bear.  But that only lasted one year. :)
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 September 2012, 03:48:32
I think the simplest thing is to go by what the vessels page (http://www.oldweather.org/ships/) has :-\

Would anyone mind if I changed the name of this topic to USRC Bear ?
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 24 September 2012, 04:36:09
31 May 1884
Once again it looks like they are practicing for abandoning ship.  ;)
1 June 1884
Grounded on a rock and developed leaks.  :-[

Self determination theory?  :-\

No - it's the wherewithall/sense boundary dilemma...you know you don't have the wherewithall to avoid hitting rocks - but at lest you have the sense to be ready for when you do.  :-\ ::)
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 24 September 2012, 06:42:58
I think the simplest thing is to go by what the vessels page (http://www.oldweather.org/ships/) has :-\

Would anyone mind if I changed the name of this topic to USRC Bear ?

Go for it.
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 24 September 2012, 07:25:14
Very interesting.  I've never before tried to change the topic on a long thread.  Even the mods don't have a command to do that.

So I started simple, and changed the topic on just the initial post.  That changed what the index lists.  And this reply automatically came up "USRC Bear".  But everything on 5 pages in the middle stayed untouched.

And as far as this mod is concerned, that's all we are going to get.  I really don't want to fuss with everything in between. 8)
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 24 September 2012, 07:48:26
Works for me.
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 September 2012, 07:58:25
Work for me too ;)
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 25 September 2012, 06:59:18
Misc pages 4 & 5 June 1884 in reverse order in log. Entered as per log order.
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 25 September 2012, 10:05:23
 ;D
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 25 September 2012, 17:32:18
June 1884 Bear started to use decimal heights. 29.80 the .80 etc.
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 26 September 2012, 03:16:25
Can one of the Mods please tell me how much of the recovery of the Greely party DenisO has transcribed. Was it covered in detail. If not then I will.
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 26 September 2012, 03:35:20
I don't know of any way to see what he did.
Maybe Caro or Janet?
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Caro on 26 September 2012, 03:45:23
As far as I know, the only way to find out at this stage is to ask DenisO.
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 26 September 2012, 05:26:07
Yep - only the analysts in the home office can open the transcription records, nobody at all can mess with them.  Until the ship reaches VAL which is too late for this question.
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 28 September 2012, 19:30:45
Bear July 4 1884.
Log keeper has put state of sea reading (S)  in the amount of cloud cover column for AM. So have I.
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 28 September 2012, 19:37:47
I think that the following applies in this case...

Exceptions

Dittos

...



Weather Data in the Wrong Column

When the log keeper has CLEARLY entered the weather data in the wrong column, it should be put in the correct column.

Only correct entries if it is absolutely certain that they are in the wrong column - like 29.83 for wind direction or West for weather code.
The weather entries of HMS Mantua in mid-1917 are a little eccentric at times.
The 4 pm entries on  August 10 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM_53-48297/ADM%2053-48297-008_0.jpg) are more than a little eccentric. I don't know what they had for afternoon tea that day.
In this case, to avoid losing the data completely, Philip has asked that the entries are put in the correct columns.
This definitely goes to show that if you're not sure how to deal with peculiar log entries, the best thing to do is ask here. :D
[my emphasis]

Do NOT switch columns just because the wet bulb temperature is higher than the dry bulb temperature. There may be other problems with these records and the team wants to know about them.
... It is a wet-bulb temperature, from which we infer the humidity, and it should never be higher than the dry-bulb temperature (that is, the air temperature in the previous column). Comparing wet and dry-bulb temperatures is one of the checks we do on the observations to make sure they are sensible before using them. ...



If you have questions or comments, or want to notify the analysts about odd cases, please post them in: Type What You See - Questions and Comments (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3192.msg51626#msg51626)
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 28 September 2012, 19:50:55
Will do.
Left the page to go sight seeing.
 :)
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 28 September 2012, 19:55:39
Have fun!
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 29 September 2012, 17:36:12
June 1884 Bear started to use decimal heights. 29.80 the .80 etc.

Hi Stuart,
This is odd:
She was using decimal earlier than June:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Bear/BEAR_001_jpgs/b001of002_0046_0.jpg
Was there a specific note in the log about a change that you recall..if so I'll have a hunt for it (don't suppose you recall the date?)?
Hope your enjoying the green fields of Niamtuk (did I remember that right?)
J 8)
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 12 October 2012, 04:07:36
I found this page interesting about the Bear.
http://www.hazegray.org/features/bear/ (http://www.hazegray.org/features/bear/)
Stuart.
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 12 October 2012, 16:30:14
Found this map of the Bear's 1900 trip:
http://www.uscg.mil/history/img/bearchart1900.jpg
Hope it helps
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 12 October 2012, 17:05:44
Thanks Joan for the map.
Most of the fields around Natimuk were yellow with Canola.
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 12 October 2012, 18:08:55
ummmm...doh...what does 'yellow with canola' mean? I've probably just made a right idiot of myself asking that. ;) :-\ ::)
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 12 October 2012, 18:36:30
The flower of the plant that produces canola is yellow.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canola
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 12 October 2012, 18:38:36
Like these.
Don't feel to bad, there are some things even I don't know (Just ask my wife) ;D  ;D
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 13 October 2012, 15:00:32
Just in the middle of playing with the new interface and with Bear:

They rec'd 111 tons of coal in port in Newfoundland but never entered it in the fuel spaces on the weather page.  Instead it was a sentence on the comments page.  I chose to use the Refuel tab for that.
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 13 October 2012, 16:04:32
There is no field for it on the weather page.

If coal received is mentioned anywhere, I agree that it should go on the Refueling tab.
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 22 October 2012, 04:45:50
Start of log book entries. 23rd Sept 1884

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Bear/BEAR_002_jpgs/b002of002_0004_0.jpg
and also
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Bear/BEAR_002_jpgs/b002of002_0003_1.jpg
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 22 October 2012, 05:09:13
There are 4 of them.  It's nice to have them in the discussion thread.

(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Bear/BEAR_002_jpgs/b002of002_0003_1.jpg)

(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Bear/BEAR_002_jpgs/b002of002_0004_0.jpg)

(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Bear/BEAR_002_jpgs/b002of002_0004_1.jpg)

(http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Bear/BEAR_002_jpgs/b002of002_0005_0.jpg)
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 22 October 2012, 05:24:45
I only got the two posted which show 1884 but my log pages are dated 1881    ???.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Rodgers/Rodgers_1881/b001of010_0033_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Rodgers/Rodgers_1881/b001of010_0033_1.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Rodgers/Rodgers_1881/b001of010_0034_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Rodgers/Rodgers_1881/b001of010_0034_1.jpg)
The days are correct for the dates in 1881 not 1884.

I am confuzzed. :-[
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 22 October 2012, 10:16:26
The pages you posted first are for Bear.  The ones in today's post are for Rodgers.  If that helps. :)

They belong in http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=2973.0

Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 22 October 2012, 10:22:09
****! I looked, but I missed the obvious :-[

Good someone around here is awake (even if they should be asleep?) ;D
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 22 October 2012, 10:24:25
Sun's up here, and I'm sort-of awake.  About to get my coffee.

(http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/10404/t1990.gif)
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 22 October 2012, 16:23:58
Oh dear.  :-[
That's what happens when you jump ship to another and forget to tell your brain.
I changed ships whilst waiting for an answer so I did not loose the pages.
Title: Re: USRC Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 22 October 2012, 16:50:08
Consider proof of being human. ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 27 October 2012, 11:53:01
Hmm...so who was eating butter-dripping toast over the log book then?  ;D ;D

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Bear/BEAR_001_jpgs/b001of002_0124_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 01 November 2012, 16:24:27
Following Thetis around on the Bear, and it seems that Thetis has only gone and got itself jammed in ice. Cue a rather fun attempt to free her:

"9.30 Came up with Thetis, caught in a light nip, unable to move. Gave her a 6in Manilla hawser and took from her a 3in steel hawser; parted both lines, while attempting to moor her astern. At 10.45 moored to ice close astern of Thetis and banked fires. Sent torpedo apparatus with Ensign Reynolds and four gun cotton torpedoes to assist in blasting Thetis loose. The Thetis used six gunpowder cartridges and the attempt failed to loosen the ice."

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Bear/BEAR_001_jpgs/b001of002_0086_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 06 January 2013, 10:00:30
...And they used the Coast Guard ships as mobile health care units.  Digging a bit (my curiousity got away from me again!) gave me this picture for 1915 Bear, whenever we get those logs:
(http://www.nlm.nih.gov/exhibition/phs_history/images.dir/136.gif) 
Quote
Public Health Service officers aboard the Coast Guard Cutter Bear.
Since 1879 medical officers of the Service have been assigned to Coast Guard vessels. Many of the early assignments were on expeditions to Alaska, the Arctic, and on training cruises from the Coast Guard Academy. The Bear was built in Scotland in 1873 and was especially designed for navigating through ocean ice. After being acquired by the Federal Government in 1884, the Bear served in the Arctic for nearly 40 years on various rescue, assistance, investigation, and patrol missions.
c. 1915
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/exhibition/phs_history/healthcare.html#136
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: lollia paolina on 10 January 2013, 09:05:03
USRS Bear, July 1887: Captain Healy and the search for J B Vincernt .

"Healy was also the savior of mariners in the waters of the Pacific. When a whaler gave him a piece of wood with a message carved on it thathad been given to a whaler by a Siberian native, Healy did not know if it was a legitimate call for help or a ruse to lure him away from sealing grounds. Nevetheless, he acted quickly to try to save a life, if that was possiblity. On one side of the wood, the message read, "1887. J. B. V. Br. Nap. Tobacco Give." on the other side, it read "S.W.C. Nav. M. 10. Help. Come."

He decided that he message could be from J.B. Vincent of Martha's Vineyard, who was a boat steerer on the whaling bark "Napoleon" that had been lost in a gale on 5 May 1885. The Bear departed Port Clarenc, Alaska, and steamed 150 miles to a location  10 miles southwest of Cape Navarin, Siberia, where Healy thought Vincent might be. In fact Healy found Vincent fishing at the exact location where his message said he would be. He was the only man to survive "Napoleon"'s disaster who had not be picked up in 1885. Healy's immediate response made it possible for Vincent to return home; it was representative of Healy's humanitarian side.

Irving H King "The Coast Guard expands, 1865-1915: New Roles, New Frontiers", page 86"


USRS Bear July 17th, 1887

J B Vincent found and brought on board and list of articles sent as a reward to Siberian natives:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol066/vol066_065_1.jpg

July 18th, 1887:
at 8am-Noon: list of trade goods given as payment to Indian guide:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol066/vol066_066_1.jpg

A letter from 3rd Lieut C. D. Kennedy to his father with an account of Bear's voyage and a diagram of J B Vincent's carved message:

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F70917FC3E5413738DDDA90B94D0405B8784F0D3
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 10 January 2013, 12:19:30
Interesting!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 10 January 2013, 15:23:53
Fascinating Sylvia! I really enjoyed those details.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 April 2013, 08:05:15
Have you seen this sleeping bag?

I'm a historian of exploration at the University of Hartford. I've been trying to help a museum in Connecticut uncover more information about a sleeping bag that they discovered in their collection from the Greely Expedition. The sleeping bag is in pretty rough shape, but it does have a label stating that it came from the USS Bear -- one of the relief ships that rescued the survivors of expedition party in Smith Sound in 1884. I thought that the Bear's log, ship's manifest, or list of relics might have more information about the bag. I know that Old Weather has digitized the Bear's log -- does Old Weather or National Archives have the entire log/manifest online? Or should I contact NA in Washington for this? Any information you might offer is appreciated. Thanks. Michael Robinson.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: lollia paolina on 21 April 2013, 13:41:15
There is a changing in USRS Bear's log books.
The volume ending December 12th, 1892 has pages of the "usual" type

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol070A/vol070A_126_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol070A/vol070A_126_1.jpg

In the following volume, from 3/1892 to 2/1894, the logs appear like that:
2 days per page till April 27th, 1892

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_003_0.jpg


Only two blank pages are between April 27th and December 13th 1892

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_018_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_018_1.jpg


and then 1 day per page from December 13th, 1892

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_019_0.jpg.

to February 1st, 1893, so far.

Since some values for Barometer and Temperature are present at the end of each watch entry. I was wondering if and how I should record those values.



As regards the sleeping bag, I transcribed year 1884 about seven months ago. I will try to find out a possible reference to that sleeping bag.
Please be patient :)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 21 April 2013, 14:52:36
 ::) ::) ::)

I will check with Philip ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 21 April 2013, 16:25:07
We are clearly looking at overlapping log books and volume 071 is the odd book out - the question in my mind is, Where are the full weather record logs for after the 12th of December 1892?  Are they volume 072?

Definitely one for Philip.

Thanks for going into the sleeping bag search.  :)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 21 April 2013, 16:31:44
After the 12'th (and some before) they are in 071


Bear seems to be in San Francisco for most of this period.



http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol070A/vol070A_007_1.jpg - 1 Oct 1891
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol070A/vol070A_082_1.jpg - 12 Dec 1891
 :o
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol070A/vol070A_085_1.jpg - 1 Nov 1892
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol070A/vol070A_126_1.jpg - 12 Dec 1892
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 21 April 2013, 17:58:32
I know this, but Bear is one of the ships with both "rough" and "finished" logbooks covering the same date.  Arfon is supposed to find some free time to separate them out, although that is understandably difficult.  The plan is to remove the rough logs from the interface and transcribe only the finished logs.  Finding the finished logs for Silvia to do is the problem.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 21 April 2013, 18:07:18
As far as I can tell, there is no duplication on the pages Silvia is talking about.

070 seems to duplicate part of 070A - not sure which is the rough.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 21 April 2013, 19:09:26
OK, this is totally confusing to me.  This is the most mixed up set of logbooks in the history of the project!!!  3 different books, all alternating to cover the same timeframe.

Just walking through the pages for myself in chronological order:

Volume 70A goes from 1 Oct. 1891 to 12 Dec 1891: 
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol070A/vol070A_007_1.jpg
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol070A/vol070A_082_1.jpg
then summarizes the entire 104 day cruise: 
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol070A/vol070A_083_1.jpg
then goes to blank page:
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol070A/vol070A_084_1.jpg

from 13 Dec. 1891 to 29 Feb. 1892:  in yet unknown logbook; Volume 72 cannot be located by manually walking up and down the pages.

Volume 71 goes from 1 Mar. 1892 to 27 Apr. 1892:
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_003_0.jpg
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_017_1.jpg
and has a blank page:
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_018_1.jpg

from 28 April 1892 to 31 Oct. 1892:  in yet unknown logbook; Volume 72 cannot be located by manually walking up and down the pages.

Volume 70A takes up the log again for 1 Nov. 1892 to 12 Dec. 1892:
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol070A/vol070A_085_1.jpg
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol070A/vol070A_126_1.jpg
then summarizes the voyage from April to December 1892:
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol070A/vol070A_127_1.jpg
and then ends with a single blank page:
  http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol070A/vol070A_128_1.jpg

Volume 71 takes up the log again 14 Dec. 1892 to 1 May 1893
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_019_1.jpg
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_088_0.jpg
and then has a blank page
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_088_1.jpg

Volume 73 takes up from 2 May 1893 to 12 Nov. 1893: 
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol073/vol073_006_1.jpg
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol073/vol073_211_1.jpg
followed by a blank page and end of book:
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol073/vol073_212_1.jpg

Volume 71 continues from 13 Nov. 1893 to 10 Feb. 1894:
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_089_0.jpg
   http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_133_1.jpg
End of book


 :o :o ::)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 21 April 2013, 19:16:14
Add to the above, Volume 70 and 70A are logging the same dates in different books and handwriting:
Friday, October 2nd, 1891:  http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol070/vol070_007_1.jpg
Friday, October 2nd, 1891:  http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol070A/vol070A_008_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 22 April 2013, 03:32:50
According to Kevin the duplicate logs were removed by 26 January.
http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3346.msg60468#msg60468

So, 070 may be still accessible by address but they may not come up when transcribing.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 22 April 2013, 04:22:41
That is good news.  I know the jpg links do not go through the interface at all, but come straight from the image storage.

Does anyone know what exact coding they used for Volume 72?  It would be good to complete the chronology.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 22 April 2013, 07:15:58
Thank you Philip!

Hi Randi & Silvia.

 Yes please, and yes. Please do record the pressure and temperature, and the end time of the watch sounds like the best hour.

Thanks, Philip.

Hi Philip,

Silvia has just discovered a variety of nonstandard log pages on Bear: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3096.msg65627#msg65627

  • 1 March 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_003_0.jpg) to 26 April 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_017_0.jpg)
    2 days per page. There is no weather grid, but pressure and temperature are recorded for Noon and Mid in the left margin of each page.

  • 27 April 1892 and 13 December 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_019_0.jpg) to 1 May 1893 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_088_0.jpg)
    (Only two blank pages are between April 27th and December 13th 1892)
    1 day per page. There is no weather grid, but pressure and temperature are recorded at the end of the events for each watch.

  • 13 November 1893 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_089_0.jpg) to 8 February 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_132_1.jpg)
    (Only one blank page is between 1 May 1893 and 13 November 1893)
    1 day per page. There is no weather grid, but pressure and temperature are recorded for 4am, 8am, 12am, 4pm, 8pm, and 12pm in the left margin of each page.


Bear seems to be in San Francisco for most of this period.

Silvia is willing to record these values. Would these be useful? Should she use the ending time of the watch in the second case?

Thanks,
Randi
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: mfr on 22 April 2013, 23:05:16
Thanks to Randi, Janet, and Lollia for looking into the Bear sleeping bag question. Since I posted my question, I've looked through Greely's book Three Years of Arctic Service as well as the official Inquiry of the Lady Franklin Bay Expedition. It appears that the party brought buffalo, sealskin, sheepskin, and dogskin sleeping bags. I don't think this sleeping bag is made of any of these animal skins. Kevin Wood found a Relief Expedition Inventory of the Bear which lists requests for one reindeer sleeping bag for each enlisted man. My hunch is that this animal skin is, in fact, reindeer, and the bag is from one of the men on the Bear (rather than from the Greely Expedition party on Cape Sabine). Kevin was unable to track down a list of enlisted personnel aboard the Bear so I'm not sure if S A Barrymore was one of the crew, or received the bag from one of the crew. This is where the mystery stands. Thanks again for the help.

Michael

Have you seen this sleeping bag?

I'm a historian of exploration at the University of Hartford. I've been trying to help a museum in Connecticut uncover more information about a sleeping bag that they discovered in their collection from the Greely Expedition. The sleeping bag is in pretty rough shape, but it does have a label stating that it came from the USS Bear -- one of the relief ships that rescued the survivors of expedition party in Smith Sound in 1884. I thought that the Bear's log, ship's manifest, or list of relics might have more information about the bag. I know that Old Weather has digitized the Bear's log -- does Old Weather or National Archives have the entire log/manifest online? Or should I contact NA in Washington for this? Any information you might offer is appreciated. Thanks. Michael Robinson.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 23 April 2013, 03:20:50
Bear -- Crew Lists (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3405.0)
There is nothing here so far and since that voyage has been transcribed there probably won't be, but you might want to keep an eye on this topic. I searched Crew Lists for the other ships and didn't find Barrymore.

Perhaps someone will find him when we get to the editing stage.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 23 April 2013, 03:41:35
Ancestry.com has no records of any S A Barrymore.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: mfr on 25 April 2013, 11:11:37
It could be that Barrymore was a civilian who received or purchased the bag from a member of the Relief Expedition after its return. The museum has a note from Barrymore thanking the director of the museum for a pair of tickets. I don't think the note has any information about title or home address but it may mean that he was local to the New York-Connecticut area. Thanks again.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 25 April 2013, 14:16:48
Also, "S A" may be a rating "Seaman Apprentice" or something.  The fact that I can't find any "S Barrymore" or "A Barrymore" proved to me that there were a very great many other Barrymores around at the time.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: aesaintpierre on 03 May 2013, 15:49:46
Hello,
Just jumping in with additional information about the reindeer sleeping bag in the collection at the museum.  Thanks to everyone who has been keeping an eye out for information about Barrymore.  I have some better information to offer now, based on research in archives at the public library and through ancestry.com, as well as a book, Stratford and the Sea by Lewis Knapp.   Newspaper clippings in a late 19th century scrapbook revealed that the donor of the sleeping bag, S. A. Barrymore, was the widow of the man to whom it had been given.  Susan A. Curtis Barrymore and her husband William Barrymore lived in Stratford, Conn.  He served seven years active duty in the Navy, which included the years of the Civil War.  Born in England, his home (at least after his marriage) was Stratford, Conn., but he was buried in Stonington, Conn.   According to the brief article, a member of the Greely relief expedition on the Bear "presented him" with the reindeer sleeping bag, and a dog collar and harness.  I do not know who that was, which is the mystery I'd like to solve now that we know who actual the recipient was! 

Captain Barrymore passed away in Jan. 1890 of cerebral meningitis; he was only in his early 50s.  His widow gave the items to the museum four months later, and she herself passed away just a few years later, in 1896, at age 55.  (None of their four children survived to maturity).  A clue to Barrymore's connections seems to be the Brooklyn Naval Yard, as the pallbearers were sailors from there; in addition, Barrymore was a member of the GAR Post (U.S. Grant Post #327) in Brooklyn.   Barrymore was Acting Master of the Dandelion and Acacia during the war, and afterwards, of the North Carolina, according to Lewis Knapp.  Later, in 1874, Barrymore was appointed Master of Tugs in New York. 

Since Barrymore was associated with quite a few vessels (more than I have named here), I am wondering if it is even possible to trace a connection to someone he might have known in his naval career who later served on the Bear.  But I thought I'd get this information out in case anyone does come across Barrymore's name or a clue to a Bear crew member whom he knew.  I appreciate all the help that has been given so far, especially the list of supplies that were given to each man on the Greely relief expedition.  The documentation of reindeer sleeping bags confirms what I have now learned from the old newspaper clippings! 

Thanks again,
Adrienne
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 03 May 2013, 16:07:06
Thank you, Adrienne.  It's nice to have a finish to the story.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 May 2013, 16:46:11
Thanks for the update!

We'll keep an eye open, but it doesn't sound too hopeful.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 04 May 2013, 10:58:47
It might be interesting to look into Melville's role in equipping the Bear & Thetis for the relief expedition. As I recall reindeer bags were supplied to USS Jeannette by the Alaska Commercial Co., and of course the reindeer is central in all the cultures Melville encountered in Siberia. He no doubt learned a great deal during his time there.

There is a picture of a sled he designed for the Greely relief here:
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/aro/ipy-1/images/S-008.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 04 May 2013, 11:04:18
Cool.  He clearly had the imagination to fuse ideas from various cultures to get the best engineering available.

(http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/aro/ipy-1/images/S-008.jpg)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 04 May 2013, 11:10:52
Something I just noticed looking at the picture again - his sled appears to be symmetrical top & bottom. This would help solve the problem of broken runners since this could be used either side up. Break a runner, flip the sled and keep rushing to the rescue. Fix the runner at the next camp.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 04 May 2013, 14:34:08
Clever
 - and so obvious once someone does it ;)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 04 May 2013, 15:43:26
I've heard a number of folks in my life poo-poo engineers - they aren't properly theoretical to be equal to scientists.  I still believe a really superb engineer has true genius.  They produce solid, working, beautiful objects.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 04 May 2013, 22:35:49
Melville gives a long description of how to run an expedition to the Pole - do we know of any critique of this by those who finally got there/modern adventurers? I wonder if the likes of Amundsen commented/learnt from Melville?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 04 June 2013, 12:39:31
See examples in: Bear -- Reference: Transcription Example and Log Description (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3615.0)

Hi Randi & Silvia.

 Yes please, and yes. Please do record the pressure and temperature, and the end time of the watch sounds like the best hour.

Thanks, Philip.


Hi Philip,

Silvia has just discovered a variety of nonstandard log pages on Bear: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3096.msg65627#msg65627

  • 1 March 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_003_0.jpg) to 26 April 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_017_0.jpg)
    2 days per page. There is no weather grid, but pressure and temperature are recorded for Noon and Mid in the left margin of each page.

  • 27 April 1892 and 13 December 1892 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_019_0.jpg) to 1 May 1893 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_088_0.jpg)
    (Only two blank pages are between April 27th and December 13th 1892)
    1 day per page. There is no weather grid, but pressure and temperature are recorded at the end of the events for each watch.

  • 13 November 1893 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_089_0.jpg) to 8 February 1894 (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_132_1.jpg)
    (Only one blank page is between 1 May 1893 and 13 November 1893)
    1 day per page. There is no weather grid, but pressure and temperature are recorded for 4am, 8am, 12am, 4pm, 8pm, and 12pm in the left margin of each page.


Bear seems to be in San Francisco for most of this period.

Silvia is willing to record these values. Would these be useful? Should she use the ending time of the watch in the second case?

Thanks,
Randi

Please see this update to these instructions: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3513.msg67981#msg67981
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 29 August 2013, 17:05:32
Ahoy from the Patterson

Sunday, September 21, 1913 at Unalaska (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%2013/IMG_6339_1.jpg).

Your logs seem to be much earlier in time than this, but maybe you'll get to find us as well.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 29 August 2013, 17:21:42
I don't know about Sept 1013 specifically, but we have/are getting later logs.
We'll keep an eye out for you!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 October 2013, 15:50:53
Jil passes the 500 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 October 2013, 11:16:51
eikwar passes the 500 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 21 October 2013, 12:40:43
Shopping early for Christmas?  :)

31st August 1894 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Bear/Bear_1894/pics2%20151_1.jpg
11.30 Sent in sailing launch to bring off deer. Building deer pen on main deck.
2.15 Sailing launch returned with two(2) deer.
6.30 Sailing launch returned with fourteen (14) reindeer, making total of sixteen purchased at this place. Paid Natives in trade for same.

1st September 1894 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Bear/Bear_1894/pics2%20152_1.jpg
At 4.50 launch returned with five(5) reindeer. Paid Natives for same in trade goods.

2nd September 1894 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Bear/Bear_1894/pics2%20153_1.jpg
At 5.55 came to anchor off Village, Cape Serdze, and sent to negotiate for deer. 7.00am officer returned on board and reported no deer obtainable; the herd being to Wd of the Cape
At 2.20 launch returned with six(6) deer. 3.00pm sent in launch again for deer. Large number of Natives on board.
At 6.00 launch returned with eight deer, also received one(1) deer from native boat alongside. Paid Natives for reindeer received, in trade.

Must have made cleaning the ship interesting!

Can anyone work out the name of the village they are anchored at on 1st and 2nd Sept? And the village mentioned at 9.40am on 2nd? The lat/long from close to these dates confirms they are near Cape Serdse-Kamen.

Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 22 October 2013, 10:11:12
Not for Santa then.  :'(

6th Sept 1894 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Bear/Bear_1894/pics2%20157_1.jpg
At 5.30 underway and steamed in toward Reindeer Station, where at 6.00 came to. Commenced landing reindeer.
7.30 Finished landing deer (36 in all), swimming the last 13 ashore.

A brief history of Alaskan reindeer  (http://www.alaskool.org/projects/reindeer/history/iser1969/rdeer_1.html) mentions Bear and Capt. Healy.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 28 October 2013, 14:06:07
25th Sept 1894 - Hello to Corwin! - at Unalaska and handed over some coal

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Bear/Bear_1894/pics2%20176_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 28 October 2013, 15:50:16
jil passes the 1000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 November 2013, 15:22:15
rarebks
welcome to the top 12 !
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 07 November 2013, 15:02:00
jil passes the 1500 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 11 November 2013, 17:58:25
jil passes the 2000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 12 November 2013, 15:56:19
Met the Corwin - November 14 1894, San Francisco. And returning some crew - '3rd Lieut. G.M. Daniels and guard of four men, brought down from St. George Island, left the Vessel to rejoin the Corwin.'

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Bear/Bear_1894/pics2%20228_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 12 November 2013, 16:14:02
From Nov 1894 above, next pages front of log book starting 5th May 1886. Are the log books scanned in random order?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 12 November 2013, 16:19:10
I believe that Bear was scanned in several different sessions.
There were some logbooks that required treatment before they could be scanned. That might be the case here.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 12 November 2013, 18:42:05
I think we can assume that is what is happening anytime any 19th century logs end up out of order.  The nice part about NARA doing their own scanning at archive quality (and letting us scale it down to the jpeg level our interface uses, and we used to purchase from the RN) is that they love the opportunity to look at and preserve old deteriorating paper - and we are never getting logs too faded to be read.  The bad news is, damaged logs sent to the logbook hospital get scanned out of order.

I think it is worth the wait.  :)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 28 November 2013, 16:33:28
jil passes the 2500 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 06 December 2013, 12:59:02
Providing social services: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol065/vol065_092_1.jpg

8 to Mer: Emil Adams engineer of the lost Bark "Carver" was taken on board from the Bark "Ohio" until he can secure employment.

6 to 8pm: Emil Adams from the derilict "John Carver" left the ship & was engaged on Bark "Ocean". Received on board from station recently abandoned by Pacific Steam Whaling Co. Joe, his wife & two children destitute as passengers for St. Michaels they being unable to procure passage thence and being destitute & without food here and the means for obtaining the same.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 06 December 2013, 14:18:48
Reason why Emil Adams needed taxi service:
The daily herald., September 22, 1886, Image 3
  About The daily herald. (Honolulu, Hawaiian Islands) 1886-1887
  http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85047239/1886-09-22/ed-1/seq-3/

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-hgPxuqnK1Gw/UqISlxbNreI/AAAAAAAACnU/FHdaMbVWooA/w382-h546-no/whaling+bark+John+Carver+1.GIF)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-gMWijX_apVI/UqISl00bEoI/AAAAAAAACnY/e9CRasRsm7A/w380-h526-no/whaling+bark+John+Carver+2.GIF)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-rF3z7QHn79M/UqISl0t-FHI/AAAAAAAACnc/2dWLg0LR5tc/w376-h276-no/whaling+bark+John+Carver+3.GIF)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-YldYyHMh7QM/UqISm7MUR2I/AAAAAAAACnk/so7Qk81HlHU/w380-h356-no/whaling+bark+John+Carver+4.GIF)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 06 December 2013, 15:07:50
Interesting find, Janet. And it reminds me that a few days previous to the above log the Bear's surgeon had been visiting various whaling ships to render medical assistance.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol065/vol065_079_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol065/vol065_081_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 06 December 2013, 15:29:08
extending medical and other assistance seems to be standard procedure for the Bear in the arctic.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 06 December 2013, 17:24:02
I was working on a page for Thetis when I discovered that the Marine Hospital Service (MHS) ("established in 1798 to provide for the medical care of merchant seamen") led to the development of the National Institutes of Health!
http://history.nih.gov/exhibits/history/index.html
...
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 10 December 2013, 11:46:43
13th August 1886 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol065/vol065_108_1.jpg

Sent an officer to the station and brought off Ensign Howard and one man of the Stoney Expedition.

While checking to confirm the names I found an acticle (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Popular_Science_Monthly/Volume_33/July_1888/Arctic_Alaska#top) written by Ensign Howard about the expedition. The Rodgers (as Lieut. Stoney was one of her officers), Jeannette and Corwin also get a mention but not the Bear which is a bit mean if they are giving him a lift home!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 10 December 2013, 14:41:24
Thanks, that's interesting.  I added your posts to the Rodgers and Corwin discussions.

I really liked the descriptions of how the natives coped so successfully with the bitter climate.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 10 December 2013, 15:25:43
Very interesting article! Very detailed and well written descriptions.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 10 December 2013, 17:12:02
jil passes the 3000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 11 December 2013, 12:52:48
August 18th 1886
7.30 Kept of SSE to speak a schooner. 7.40 Stopped engine & hove to & communicated with her & sent an officer to board her. proving to be the schr. "Henrietta" of San Francisco, Dexter master. Captain Dexter reported having sold his vessel to a native chief at Cape Tchaplin, Siberia for 4000 lbs whalebone and now seeking a vessel to take his crew and whalebone to San Francisco.  :o

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol065/vol065_113_1.jpg

The plot thickens from Daily Alta 10th October 1886 (http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=DAC18861010.2.40)
Quote
The Russian steamer Alexander II, Captain Sandman, arrived from Petropaulski yesterday, having as passengers Captain Dexter and second officer of the schooner Henrietta. The latter vessel was seized August 28th by the Russian man-of-war Krizer, for trading in Russian waters. When searched, the cargo consisted of 4,000 pounds of whalebone, 500 fox skins and 1,000 pounds of ivory, all of which was confiscated. The Henrietta was taken to Vladivostock to be sold.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 11 December 2013, 14:05:49
 ???
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 11 December 2013, 18:27:16
The news somewhat explains why he had "sold" his ship out from under himself. ::)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 12 December 2013, 20:15:32
From Kevin:
Quote
----

The Russian man-of-war mentioned above. In 1889 the surgeon of the Bear (Dr. White) made a call on this vessel when it was anchored in Unalaska. From his personal diary:

"About 10:30 four of us made a call on the Russians. Though we could hardly understand each other we got along
very nicely for they could say in English ?Have a smoke? or ?Have a drink? and we would say ?Yes?."

Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: camiller on 12 December 2013, 21:39:35
 ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 13 December 2013, 06:19:16
 ;D What more language skills do you need than that? Although personally I would replace 'smoke' with 'chocolate'.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 13 December 2013, 06:23:20
Definitely ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 13 December 2013, 15:55:07
It's funny - 'yes' to 'have a drink?' works well, but 'no' is simply not an understandable response.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 13 December 2013, 16:05:08
 ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 15 December 2013, 11:28:23
A confusing evening of wind! - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol065/vol065_132_0.jpg
6pm Calm, Force 2
8pm Calm, Force 1
10pm NNE, Force 0

The matching events page has no mention of excessive rum rations  ;)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 15 December 2013, 11:32:21
 ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 15 December 2013, 11:45:14
I've just realised that they appear to have got the date wrong on the matching event page as well  ::). Written as August 6th 1886 but I think that should be September 6th. Definitely having a bad day!

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol065/vol065_132_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 29 December 2013, 13:33:44
17th July (although month not entered!) 1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol066/vol066_065_1.jpg

At 11 boat returned with searching party bringing J.B. Vincent the survivor of whaling Bark Napoleon wrecked off the coast in May 1885  :o

Comdg officer ordered the issue of an extra ration for JB Vincent. Sent boats on shore with the following articles for the natives as a reward for help extended to survivor of Bark Napoleon - 800lbs bread, 10 gals molasses, 250 lbs flour, 40lbs pork, 6 quarts of beans, 1 Rifle 100 cartridges

Report from NY Times (http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F40D11FC3A5D10738DDDA10894D0405B8584F0D3) - the Napoleon was crushed by ice.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 29 December 2013, 16:06:02
Janet, I was looking for another news clipping because the NY Times articles are actively copyrighted - I have no trouble using them in the forum as they are properly purchased, but using them expires in 3 months, so future editors can't use it.  What I found was a very powerful story of attempting to survive in the arctic wilderness after the Napoleon was lost in 1885.

St. Paul daily globe., August 24, 1887, Page 5, Image 7 (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn90059522/1887-08-24/ed-1/seq-7/#date1=1885&index=0&rows=20&words=Hunting+Sailors+Wrecked&searchType=basic&sequence=0&state=&date2=1888&proxtext=%22hunting+for+wrecked+Sailors%22&y=13&x=16&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=1)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-8zJ-n_Dk_cs/UsB-FjPFosI/AAAAAAAACyY/l0ipoIBxnk8/w333-h417-no/bark+Napoleon+0.GIF)

This update got front page coverage.
Los Angeles daily herald., September 25, 1887, Image 1 (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85042460/1887-09-25/ed-1/seq-1/#date1=1886&index=1&rows=20&words=bark+Napoleon&searchType=basic&sequence=0&state=&date2=1888&proxtext=%22bark+Napoleon%22&y=8&x=18&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=1)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-P8tw0EfkrQU/UsB-SeKeqzI/AAAAAAAACzE/uEeZDTUgi_A/w321-h338-no/bark+Napoleon+1.GIF)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Nv_SgWrb0cw/UsB-SjUy0MI/AAAAAAAACzM/PIJuVzzVmGs/w301-h503-no/bark+Napoleon+2.GIF)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-6zymKCRCkx4/UsB-SkyQNxI/AAAAAAAACzQ/ZmFe4M7I_lc/w324-h483-no/bark+Napoleon+3.GIF)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 29 December 2013, 16:17:36
Perhaps if you use this as a starting point?
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F40D11FC3A5D10738DDDA10894D0405B8584F0D3
 :-\
I don't seem to have to purchase anything to use it ???
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 29 December 2013, 16:37:33
I went to look, because I'd run into that NY Times expiration date and purchase price a long time ago, and only vaguely remembered running into the limits.  I check their FAQ on archive use (http://www.nytimes.com/content/help/search/archives/archives.html#archivesq03).  What I said is absolutely true for articles from 1923 and later.  The pre-1923 articles are different.  I don't know if the expiration date applies or not.

Quote
3. What does it cost to purchase an article from the New York Times Archive?
Archive pricing differs for digital subscribers and nonsubscribers.

Digital Subscribers:

1923-1986: Your digital subscription includes 100 archive articles every four weeks in this date range (from January 1, 1923 through December 31, 1986). After you've reached the 100-article limit for the month, articles from 1923 through 1986 are $3.95 each.
Pre-1923 and post-1986: Articles published before January 1, 1923 or after December 31, 1986 are free with your digital subscription and are not limited in any way.

Nonsubscribers:

1923-1986: Articles in this date range (from January 1, 1923 through December 31, 1986) are available for purchase at $3.95 each.
Pre-1923 and post-1986: Articles published before January 1, 1923 or after December 31, 1986 are free, but they count toward your monthly limit.

5. How long can I access an article that I purchased in the Article Archive?
Articles you have purchased are available for 90 days from the purchase date.

Please review your Purchase History for details on your purchased articles. All NYTimes.com digital products that are still available can be accessed from your Purchase History in the My Account area.

6. Can I save articles that I have purchased from the Article Archive?
You may save articles from our Article Archive for personal use. Copying or storing any article for other than personal, noncommercial use requires permission from The New York Times.


Again, on the 'save and use' questions, I can't find whether that applies or not to pre-1923 articles.  I really don't know.  I do know that 1923 is the starting date for active US copyrights.  Nor do I know if putting them in Gordon's permanent ship pages counts as 'personal, noncommercial use'; the forum is personal and noncommercial, that doesn't worry me.  :-\
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 29 December 2013, 16:49:55
Messy :P

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F40D11FC3A5D10738DDDA10894D0405B8584F0D3 comes up in a google search.

Also, they talk about articles rather than links - although I don't know how much difference that makes ???
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 29 December 2013, 17:38:55
I really, really don't know where they stand on the pre-1923 stuff, they truly do not say.  Maybe we should ask Gordon, since it is his pages I'm worrying about?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 29 December 2013, 19:09:06
 ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 30 December 2013, 07:37:45
Janet,
Thanks for finding those other articles, that was the kind of background info I was after especially with such a long time between the loss of the ship and the rescue.
Janet.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 30 December 2013, 07:39:35
The crew of the Napoleon was in the worst straits.  May they all rest in peace.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 31 December 2013, 04:52:09
SemanticTourist
welcome to the top 12 !
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 31 December 2013, 04:52:52
jil passes the 4000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 31 December 2013, 04:54:01
SemanticTourist passes the 500 mark!

WOW!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 01 January 2014, 06:48:52
25th August 1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol066/vol066_104_1.jpg

At 8.30am stopped and sent 1st Lieut Hamlet to board Am. sch. "Allie J. Algar" of Seattle. As she had fresh seal skins on board she was seized, her papers taken from her and taken in charge of by 1st Lieut Hamlet. Sighted a schooner bearing SE by E and steered for her. At 10am boared Br. sch. "Ada" of Shanghai seized her with 1800 skins and 30 dead seals on board, leaving 3rd Lieut Kennedy in charge of her.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 01 January 2014, 07:23:37
26th August 1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol066/vol066_105_1.jpg

Delivered Frank Fuller, the murderer of Bishop Seghers and George Seneta the witness to the custody of the US Marshal.
 :o

There are some details in the Wiki entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_John_Seghers) for the Bishop.

Also - http://www.canada.com/story.html?id=5bd3870e-7b88-48f0-97b1-3f0b3d94b652

Some more details in the Pacific Northwest Quarterly (http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/40488544?uid=3738032&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&sid=21103280063173) - alothough it looks like you need to sign in to read it all or pay for download.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 01 January 2014, 08:06:08
(spelled Alger in these two - found Algar elsewhere)

SEIZED SEALERS: http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=DAC18870917.2.42.1#
mentions "Allie J. Algar" and "Ada"



The Coast Guard Expands, 1865-1915: New Roles, New Frontiers:
http://books.google.fr/books?id=QH07J5CxhtQC&pg=PA86&lpg=PA86&dq=sealer+Ada+algar+1887&source=bl&ots=H530cXNyAp&sig=QNkCynfZQNtMLh7h4fw312bRZh8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ywbEUuGCDMPP0AXotYGgCg&ved=0CCkQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q&f=false

This also mentions J. B. Vincent of Napolean !
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 01 January 2014, 08:37:39
A version of the story of the bishop's murder:

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-r9bCqNyLt1U/UsQK9dLFxaI/AAAAAAAAC08/ylFbQhOZdJk/w291-h426-no/bishop+seghers+1.GIF)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-StRUPNxBO88/UsQK9RyeOXI/AAAAAAAAC1A/gmHGbOwc-vY/w290-h407-no/bishop+seghers+2.GIF)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 06 January 2014, 04:52:33
jil passes the 5000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 09 January 2014, 14:13:28
Thank you from Pioneer - on 24th September 1923, you sent your cutter to rescue our broken down motor sailor.  Nice when the stories mesh like this!

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%206%20-%20July-September,%201923/IMG_8351_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 10 January 2014, 11:59:21
Thank you from Pioneer - on 24th September 1923, you sent your cutter to rescue our broken down motor sailor.  Nice when the stories mesh like this!

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Pioneer/Book%206%20-%20July-September,%201923/IMG_8351_1.jpg
Something to look forward to! I'm in 1888 at the moment, so it may take a while  :P
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 24 January 2014, 08:14:55
25th August 1888, best wishes from Rush  :) - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol067/vol067_100_1.jpg

The "Rush" signalled "J.C.S.W" - "Wish you a pleasant voyage"
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 25 January 2014, 08:20:59
jil passes the 6000 mark!


 ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 26 January 2014, 10:26:20
24th June 1889 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol067A/vol067A_021_1.jpg

8am to merid: At request of Captain Tucker, master of whaling bark "Sagoda", stoved by ice, sent an officer and carpenter on board to examine into the extent of her injuries.

Merid to 4pm: Captain Tucker of bark "Sagoda" requested assistance as his men refused duty. Put thirteen of the crew who refused to turn to in double irons. The rest of the crew went to work. [well you would wouldn't you!]
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 26 January 2014, 12:12:48
It would be an incentive ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 26 January 2014, 15:51:52
It is, I think, whaling bark "Lagoda" - compare with "Light ESE" at start of that paragraph.  And if that is true, this was her last year in the arctic, and her 3rd year under a new owner trying to make whaling work for him after the market at home had started to fail.  The New Bedford Museum gave her a full page on their site, and built a half scale model.
http://www.whalingmuseum.org/explore/exhibitions/current/lagoda

And this site has the list of her crew for that last voyage.
http://library.mysticseaport.org/exhibits/SFVoyage.cfm?Voyagenumber=99

(http://www.whalingmuseum.org/sites/default/files/images/Exhibit/Lagoda_Center_Panel_web.jpg)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 26 January 2014, 18:13:17
gastcra (Craig)
Welcome to the top 12 !
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 28 January 2014, 16:38:49
lollia paolina passes the 50,000 mark!


congratulations to her keyboard(s) ;)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 28 January 2014, 16:42:18
gastcra (Craig) passes the 500 mark!

gastcra (Craig) passes the 1000 mark!


 :o :o :o
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 28 January 2014, 18:00:34
I owe my quick progress to autohotkey and the fact that pressure and temperatures are recorded only on even hours.  :) That makes about 5 or 6 keystrokes for the odd hours in many cases.

Don't tell anyone or we'll be swamped  ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 29 January 2014, 10:02:32
The BEAR hard at work assisting the SS Victoria in June 1918. The black gang must be pouring (shoveling?) it on to make that smoke. Now I think you'd have to go some to find sea ice like this in the Bering Sea in June.

http://vilda.alaska.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/cdmg11/id/6371/rec/7
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 29 January 2014, 11:43:36
It didn't appear to be cold, at least, judging by the way people were dressed.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 29 January 2014, 12:14:52
If you want to know the time ask a US Revenue Cutter  ;)

11.30 stopped engine - "hove to" to give chronometer time to whaling bark "Jas. Allen".

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol067A/vol067A_076_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 29 January 2014, 12:32:45
They must have had an appointment with a whale. They are notorious for not being on time.  :D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 30 January 2014, 15:41:26
gastcra (Craig) passes the 1500 mark!

gastcra (Craig) passes the 2000 mark!


 ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 30 January 2014, 16:14:03
There's no holding me back  ;D  Love that Bear!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 01 February 2014, 08:12:06
The barometer dropped to 28.64 but the wind speed never exceeded 6. This seems rather common in the north.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol067A/vol067A_141_0.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 01 February 2014, 09:11:06
I don't think they get a whole lot of tropical hot water feeding energy into their major storms.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 01 February 2014, 12:58:31
gastcra (Craig) passes the 2500 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 01 February 2014, 14:14:06
I don't think they get a whole lot of tropical hot water feeding energy into their major storms.

That sounds reasonable, Janet, but this site says that the wind strength is mainly a function of gravity and pressure gradient: http://geography.about.com/od/climate/a/windpressure.htm This answer doesn't seem complete, though, because we know that hurricanes require warm ocean temperatures (which is your point).

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The Pressure Gradient Force and Other Effects on Wind
Within the atmosphere, there are several forces that impact the speed and direction of winds. The most important though is the Earth?s gravitational force. As gravity compresses the Earth?s atmosphere, it creates air pressure- the driving force of wind. Without gravity, there would be no atmosphere or air pressure and thus, no wind.

The force actually responsible for causing the movement of air though is the pressure gradient force. Differences in air pressure and the pressure gradient force are caused by the unequal heating of the Earth?s surface when incoming solar radiation concentrates at the equator. Because of the energy surplus at low latitudes for example, the air there is warmer than that at the poles. Warm air is less dense and has a lower barometric pressure than the cold air at high latitudes. These differences in barometric pressure are what create the pressure gradient force and wind as air constantly moves between areas of high and low pressure.

Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 01 February 2014, 14:41:25
Armament page from front of log starting May 1890 - this is the first time I've seen this filled in

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol068/vol068_005_0.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 01 February 2014, 16:03:01
Interesting that they are using shrapnel charges.  Intended to scare off large herds of something big?  They are clearly not a warship but expected to encounter danger.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 02 February 2014, 22:57:18
1890 and 1891 were the most dangerous peak of the Bering Sea controversy with Great Britain. It was apparently known that the Royal Navy was authorized to use force in 1890, which I imagine might explain the additional ammunition. In 1891 large thing that needed scaring off was the HMS Pheasant, HMS Nymphe, and HMS Porpoise...
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 03 February 2014, 00:07:04
Oh, My.  I'm still learning things on this project, I thought our last fight with Britain was 1812.

I wonder if we will get to transcribe any part of this mess?  It would be interesting.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 February 2014, 03:38:01
Thanks, Kevin!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 03 February 2014, 05:44:21
That is interesting, and I just thought that they hadn't bothered to write down what armament they had with them in previous years!

Also, I feel the need to apologise for any unpleasantness caused by Great Britain.  :-[
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 February 2014, 06:17:21
 :-*

Everyone has caused unpleasantness at one time or another - and sometimes with the best of intentions. :(
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 03 February 2014, 07:22:47
It is interesting reading in the newspapers, but modern apologies aren't really needed.  The arbitration did indeed avoid anything like a shooting war - thank goodness.

Interesting write-up of the heating up of tensions, too long to insert screencaps.

Los Angeles herald., July 09, 1890, Image 1 (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn84025968/1890-07-09/ed-1/seq-1/#date1=1890&index=4&rows=20&words=BERING+Bering+British+BRITISH+sea+SEA&searchType=basic&sequence=0&state=&date2=1891&proxtext=%22Bering+Sea%22+British&y=17&x=13&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=1)

Los Angeles herald., July 24, 1890, Image 1 (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn84025968/1890-07-24/ed-1/seq-1/#date1=1890&index=13&rows=20&words=Bering+British+sea&searchType=basic&sequence=0&state=&date2=1891&proxtext=%22Bering+Sea%22+British&y=17&x=13&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=1)

Los Angeles herald., January 06, 1891, Page 5, Image 5 (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn84025968/1891-01-06/ed-1/seq-5/#date1=1890&index=6&rows=20&words=Bering+British+BRITISH+sea&searchType=basic&sequence=0&state=&date2=1891&proxtext=%22Bering+Sea%22+British&y=17&x=13&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=1)

Los Angeles herald., June 02, 1891, Image 1 (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn84025968/1891-06-02/ed-1/seq-1/#date1=1890&index=5&rows=20&words=Bering+British+Sea+sea&searchType=basic&sequence=0&state=&date2=1891&proxtext=%22Bering+Sea%22+British&y=17&x=13&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=1)

Los Angeles herald., October 06, 1891, Image 1 (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn84025968/1891-10-06/ed-1/seq-1/#date1=1890&index=17&rows=20&words=Bering+British+Sea&searchType=basic&sequence=0&state=&date2=1891&proxtext=%22Bering+Sea%22+British&y=17&x=13&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=2)

Los Angeles herald., March 28, 1892, Image 1 (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn84025968/1892-03-28/ed-1/seq-1/#date1=1891&index=6&rows=20&words=Bering+British+sea&searchType=basic&sequence=0&state=California&date2=1893&proxtext=%22Bering+Sea%22+British%E2%80%9D&y=13&x=18&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=1)

The herald [microform]., June 03, 1893, Image 1 (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85042461/1893-06-03/ed-1/seq-1/#date1=1891&index=2&rows=20&words=BERING+British+SEA&searchType=basic&sequence=0&state=California&date2=1893&proxtext=%22Bering+Sea%22+British%E2%80%9D&y=13&x=18&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=2)


More to be found by searching http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/ for "Bering Sea" "British" in 1890-93
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 03 February 2014, 08:43:05
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Distributed presents to Woncheat Toiack and the father of Outonrack and mother of Yardgidigan  (Indians named by J.B. Vincent as especially instrumental in his preservation) and to twenty-five (25) other Deermen and Indians of the vicinity. Crew handling presents as required

Cape Nararin, Siberia, 24/06/1890

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol068/vol068_059_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 04 February 2014, 15:12:49
2nd August 1890 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol068/vol068_100_1.jpg

Received on board with their effects the following persons, ten(10) in number, constituting the crew of the Bark "Thomas Pope" dismasted off Point Hope on the 28th ultimo taken off by Stmr "Wm. Lewis" and transferred to Bear as shipwrecked mariners, the Lewis having no accommodation for them: John D. Silva, mate, Samual Purdy, 2d mate, James Dario, Cabin boy; George Youle, John Reynolds, John Holmberg, A. Alexanderson, Jas. Lawson, E. Silva, and C. Jones seaman.

There's a brief mention of the incident in the Daily Alta (http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=DAC18900917.2.88#). Although the date doesn't match.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 04 February 2014, 15:54:39
The aftermath of this wreck:
The morning call., September 17, 1890, Page 8, Image 8 (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn94052989/1890-09-17/ed-1/seq-8/#date1=1890&index=4&rows=20&words=Pope+Thomas&searchType=basic&sequence=0&state=&date2=1890&proxtext=%22Thomas+Pope%22+&y=0&x=0&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=1)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-2UPov9A7WCA/UvFFmj0pQfI/AAAAAAAADMs/eBLgC4l0mzc/w323-h432-no/The+morning+call.%252C+September+17%252C+1890%252C+Page+8%252C+Image+8+a.JPG)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-hOQztWRI_0U/UvFFqh9QA6I/AAAAAAAADM4/tsqDpta7blY/w322-h488-no/The+morning+call.%252C+September+17%252C+1890%252C+Page+8%252C+Image+8+b.JPG)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-VQtgb78WRQI/UvFFuyicJdI/AAAAAAAADNE/FHRL6TSVL7A/w323-h184-no/The+morning+call.%252C+September+17%252C+1890%252C+Page+8%252C+Image+8+c.JPG)

The morning call., November 26, 1890, Page 3, Image 3 (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn94052989/1890-11-26/ed-1/seq-3/#date1=1890&index=1&rows=20&words=Pope+POPE+THOMAS+Thomas&searchType=basic&sequence=0&state=&date2=1890&proxtext=%22Thomas+Pope%22+&y=0&x=0&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=1)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-hCTL_k_Z6vk/UvFFy6K_1vI/AAAAAAAADNM/v49-ZeCjpKo/w280-h531-no/The+morning+call.%252C+November+26%252C+1890%252C+Page+3%252C+Image+3.JPG)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 04 February 2014, 16:28:08
Something very fishy about that ::)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 04 February 2014, 16:40:38
Yeah, how come they're recording something on August 2 1890 that supposedly happened on August 27?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 04 February 2014, 17:19:50
Very odd. I assumed the newspaper article I found had just got the month wrong (having double checked the log page to make sure I wasn't going mad!).
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 04 February 2014, 17:48:20
$500 for a cargo, even if salvage, supposedly worth $35,000 to $40,000 seems highly questionable to me :-\
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 04 February 2014, 19:43:03
Those 2 captains were really greasing each other under the table, and making everyone start looking for the money trail 3 weeks too late.  EVERY newspaper covering the story has the date wrong, and we know the hard way that our log keepers do not have access to a TARDIS.  Chicagoans are unfortunately very experienced at spotting grift when it happens.  A $40,000 cargo gone? ???
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 05 February 2014, 05:37:20
jil passes the 7000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 05 February 2014, 05:39:55
gastcra (Craig) passes the 3000 mark!

gastcra (Craig) passes the 4000 mark!


 :o
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 05 February 2014, 23:59:12
Still goes on...I wonder how these two cases would compare in real (time adjusted) dollars?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_%28supertanker%29
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 06 February 2014, 00:26:43
Not in the same class at all - modern oil tankers have much larger holds, and the cargo of the supertanker Salem was claimed to insurance for $56.3 million USD (and sold by its captain earlier for $43 million). 

But this was really big felony theft.  According to this historical conversion site (http://mykindred.com/cloud/TX/Documents/dollar/), a 1890-USD would be worth $24.137 2010-USD.  So that $40,000 cargo that vanished a month before the supposed date of the wreck would be worth $965,480 - nearly a million in 2010.  Serious crooks running these whalers.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 06 February 2014, 18:07:03
Note. By order of the Commanding officer, 3d Lieut F.A. Dimock is, for the purpose of acquiring practical experience made navigating officer from date; he exchanging duties with 2d Lieut J.H. Quiman.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol068/vol068_150_1.jpg

I'm really hoping that Mr. Dimock has better hand-writing than Mr. Quiman but also slightly nervous of looking at the next page and finding it's worse!
... well that was an anti-climax - nothing happened - same hand-writing.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 06 February 2014, 18:13:41
Not as worrying as if you were on the ship and out of sight of land ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 06 February 2014, 18:44:51
The handwriting appears to be the writer or clerk that is copying the rough log into the 'clean' log.  But I must assume the senior officers were allergic enuf to the idea of getting lost at sea that all of Mr. Dimock's calculations were quietly double checked.  I hope. ::)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 06 February 2014, 19:00:57
Don't worry, there's always an island somewhere near where they are  ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 07 February 2014, 09:42:50
This time the wind force is consistent with the low pressure readings

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol068/vol068_167_0.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 07 February 2014, 11:55:28
I have begun transcribing all the odd hours and then all the even hours. I use a different autohotkey macro for each group because temps and pressure are not recorded for odd hours. I sometimes get confused when I transcribe in chronological order and press the wrong control key. (My mindfulness is not always what it should be  ;D)

Another advantage of doing this is that all the temperature data in the sidebar can be viewed at once so it's easier to spot typos.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 07 February 2014, 12:09:06
Good idea!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 07 February 2014, 15:09:43
gastcra (Craig) passes the 5000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 07 February 2014, 15:40:35
October 20, 1890 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol068/vol068_180_0.jpg

Provisions rec'd from stmr "Bertha" [lbs]
Beef salt 400        Currants 50
Beef canned 240   Apples 50
Pork 600               Onions 300
Flour 850              Mustand 8
Bread 382             Beans 90 qts
Sugar 303             Molasses 20 qts
Coffee 65
Butter 240
Tomatoes 240
Potatoes 1800
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 07 February 2014, 16:07:59
October 20, 1890 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol068/vol068_180_1.jpg

Commanding officer informed Captain Glover, commanding steamer "Bertha" that the "Bear" would execute the order of the Department relative to the protection of the Seal Islands, enabling Captain Glover, to return the "Bertha" to San Francisco and terminate the charter. Transferred to Stmr. "Bertha" for passage down the survivors of wreck of bark "Thos Pope", invalids, deserters and others of the "Bear" for passage as follows: Jas. Saunders, James Greg, John Drarto?, E.J. Taylor, George Harris, E. Glover. A. Alexanderson, L.H. Daniels, R. Dupires?, Geo. Yorke, J. Price, Robert Bennett.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 08 February 2014, 07:43:32
St. Paul Island, 23/10/1890

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At 9:30 received signals from shore that nearly every one on the Island was sick and requesting that a boat be sent. Dispatched boat with Lieutenant and surgeon. At 11:30 officers returned and reported majority of natives suffering from "La Grippe", four deaths having occurred within the week. Learned from Special Treasury Agent Murray and residents, that no sealing schooners or marauders had been seen; that an efficient watch was kept over the rookeries exposed to raids that boisterous weather, mainly westerly had been experienced during the "Bear's" absence and that the bull seals and many others were leaving the Island.

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Comd'g officer offered portion of crew to assist in guarding Island, which assistance was refused as unneeded by Agent Murray, he stating that with his available force he was well able to protect rookeries from being raided at this season.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 08 February 2014, 14:34:08
St. Paul Island 8 November 1890 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol068/vol068_203_1.jpg

Special Treasury Agent Murray visited vessel (this being the first day since November 2 when landing was practicable with respect to surf) and reported no vessels sighted and health of natives much improved.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 08 February 2014, 14:56:33
Good work, Bear!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 February 2014, 05:11:25
gastcra (Craig) passes the 6000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 February 2014, 16:02:59
jil passes the 8000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 10 February 2014, 10:44:26
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Man from shore informed Comdg Officer that John Smith, witness in Hemmingway murder case, had gone to Pirate Cove

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol069/vol069_031_1.jpg

Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 10 February 2014, 10:54:42
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Stopped off Pirate Cove and sent boat with officers and Deputy Marshall. 3.20 boat returned bringing JC Smith for transportation to Sitka as witness in Hemmingway murder case.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol069/vol069_032_1.jpg

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sent boat ashore with District Atty Johnson, Depy Marshall Kostronmitinoff and Lieut. Broadbent to arrest Russian Pete and secure witnesses in Miller murder case.  7.10, boat returned with officers and Russian Pete
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: asterix135 on 10 February 2014, 11:20:20
I wonder if "Russian Pete" was this guys alias, or if it was just Pyotr from Irkutsk.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 10 February 2014, 12:26:30
Or perhaps Pytor from Popoff. I think Popoff Pete is pretty catchy, but it has less scope  ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 11 February 2014, 03:46:27
gastcra (Craig) passes the 7000 mark!



Look out Silvia ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 11 February 2014, 06:41:03
Shhh. I want to sneak up on her  ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 11 February 2014, 07:49:31
How likely is this  :o ??? 

4 to 8 AM schooner Umbria of Shellburn NS near Sitka Alaska in May of 1891! (Or does NS mean something else than Nova Scotia?) 

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4:15 spoke schooner Umbria of Shellburn NS, Sealing, had taken 215 to date.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol069/vol069_044_1.jpg



Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 11 February 2014, 09:28:05
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/ship-registration/001093-110.01-e.php?interval=20&q1=um*&q2=&q3=&q4=&q5=&q6= (http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/ship-registration/001093-110.01-e.php?interval=20&q1=um*&q2=&q3=&q4=&q5=&q6=)




put in url code to fix link  JJ   ;)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 11 February 2014, 09:48:06
That's a long way to go to catch seals. No Panama Canal in 1891 and no North West Passage (without an icebreaker)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 11 February 2014, 13:59:25
May 29 1891 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol069/vol069_061_1.jpg

Merid to 4pm: Received on board, by authority of Dept., six men (Prof I.C. Russell's party) and outfits, also one boat. Names of party as follows: Thomas Storey?, Thomas White, J.H. Crumback, Neil McCarty, W.C. Moore and Frank C. Warner. Served rations for party.

8pm to mid: US Deputy Commissioner L.H. Tarpley and wife came on board for transportation to Unalaska, by authority of Dept.

The Prof was presumably Israel Cook Russell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Russell)

While confirming the Commisioner's name I found a newspaper article that said he married Bessie Bugbee in 1891 so this could be the honeymoon! (The newspaper requires a subscription to see the article but there was enough info in the search results). I also found mention of Bessie in the inventory of Capt. Healy's papers (http://www.oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/tf009n979c/entire_text/) which includes 'a watercolor drawing of an Alaskan house by Bessie E. (Bugbee) Tarpley'
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 11 February 2014, 14:14:05
 ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 12 February 2014, 06:08:46
6th June 1891 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol069/vol069_070_1.jpg

9.25 Stopped off Guyot Glacier, Icy Bay, Alaska. Sent Liet. Jarvis in 2d Cutter to see if a landing could be made on the beach with safety.

9.50 Lieut. Jarvis returned and reported that a landing could be made with ease.

10. Sent Lieut. Jarvis in charge of second cutter and boats crew of five men, with three of Prof. Russell's party - Thos. Storny, Thomas White, and Neil McCarty - and a portion of the outfits of the party, to the beach, with orders to attempt no landing unless deemed perfectly safe.

10.15 Sent third cutter, with a crew of five men in charge of Lieut. Robinson with W.C. Moore of Prof. Russel's party, and a portion of outfits of same, to the beach, with same orders on Lieut. Jarvis had, to attempt no landing unless deemed perfectly safe.

10.30 sent first cutter in charge Lieut. Broadbent with J.~. Crumbach of Prof. Russel's party with portion of outfits and with same orders.

11.15 Lieut. Broadbent returned without having attempting to land, and reported that but one boat could be seen on the beach, that there were but ten men seen on the beach, who warned him by shouts and gestures not to land. Took outfits out of boat and sent Lieut. McConnell to go as near the beach as possible with safety, but not to land unless  ease of success.
Names of Lieut. Jarvis boats crew: Wm Smith, coxswain, Wm Mackay, Samual Rainsford, C. Henry and Wm Robinson seamen. Names of Lieut. Robinsons boats crews: James Hasler, coxswain, N.J. Wright, H.Smith, J.J. Andersen and A.Nelson, seamen.

12.20 Lieut. McConnell returned and reported that men on the beach warned him by shouts and gestures not to land.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 12 February 2014, 06:37:00
7th June 1891 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol069/vol069_071_1.jpg

7.15 sent 1st cutter in charge of an officer to examine condition of beach. Boat arrived near line of breakers and the party on shore warned the officer not to land, making gestures with hands and coats to keep away. 1st cutter returned.

At 8 sent 1st cutter with Lieuts. McConnell and Broadbent to try to open communications with party on shore.

10.15 boat returned and reported the following information from Lieut. Jarvis: that Lieut. Robinson, coxswain Hassler, seamen J.J. Andersen, H. Smith and A. Nelson and H.C. Moore of Prof. Russell's party were lost in attempting to land, that the bodies of Lieut. Robinson and seaman Anderson had been found; that the boats were all right. Instructed Lieut. Jarvis by signal to bury dead except Lieut. Robinson and to bring that body with him; to bring his men on board, the explorers to remain on shore and follow the beach east. Second and third cutters on board at end of watch.

1.30 Lt. Jarvis returned with 2d and 3d cutter and the body of Lt. Robinson. It was slack water, high tide and Lt. Jarvis reported that the surf at that time was not bad, and that it was safe to land.

2. sent Lieut. McConnell in charge of 3d cutter, to land supplies etc. Second and third cutters returned having landed safely and discharged. Put supplies etc. in boats and sent them back to land if safe, if not, to return. Frank C. Warner of survey party, in 3d cutter. Third cutter capsized in surf and remained on beach, having broken rowlock of steering oar. Second cutter returned having safely landed cargo. Sent her to beach with supplies etc. and Prof Russell. When near the beach, the boat was warned by the party on the beach not to land, as the tide having ebbed, the surf was increasing. 2d cutter returned without attempting to land. Dr. S.J. Call preparing the body of Lieut. Robinson for preservation. Expended one can (45lbs) pemmican for Prof. Russell party.

May they all rest in peace.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 12 February 2014, 06:55:55
The lieutenant was Leonidas L. Robinson.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 12 February 2014, 07:16:02
8th June 1891 http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol069/vol069_072_1.jpg

Quote
2:15 party on shore signaled by waving a lighted brand and firing a gun. 2.30 sent second cutter in charge of an officer to land supplies on the beach if it could be done with safety and without damage to supplies. 2.45 Lieut. McConnell with boat's crew returned. 3  second cutter returned. 3.15 sent her ashore again in charge of an officer to land Prof. Russell and remainder of supplies and outfits of his party. 3.55 second cutter returned having safely landed Prof. Russell and remainder of his supplies. etc.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 13 February 2014, 08:01:18
I was searching for Cape Metchkin, Siberia, and I came across this interesting bit of background information.

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/23324705?uid=3739808&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21103443698377
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 13 February 2014, 08:11:23
 8)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 13 February 2014, 08:35:00
I wondered how that had been pulled off, because I didn't believe Healey and the Bear has extra funds for buying herds.  Now I know - they were working in concert with civilians who were willing to do something about the problem, but lacked transportation.  Cool.  :)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 13 February 2014, 08:52:16
Interesting find, Craig. They did mention loading some trade goods for buying reindeer recently. I see if I can find the page.

Got it - May 28 1891 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol069/vol069_060_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 13 February 2014, 08:58:29
Quote
9. Lieut. Jarvis accompanied by Dr. Sheldon Jackson went ashore in 2'd cutter to get information from natives in regard to purchase of reindeer.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol069/vol069_113_1.jpg

I didn't even know he was on board. I wasn't paying enough attention.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 13 February 2014, 09:04:14
The man himself  8)

I don't remember seeing his name mentioned either, so he must have sneaked on board.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 14 February 2014, 07:44:39
Lots of ice mentions for Kevin:

Quote
Saw a number of whaling vessels in the vicinity, all of which were unable to get to Pt. Barrow, all progress having been stopped on account of heavy ice.
  This is August 8.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol069/vol069_133_1.jpg

I'm going half speed due to heavy ice mentions  ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 14 February 2014, 08:53:09
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J.M. Kelly, agent of Pacific Whaling station came on board, received two sacks of mail for station and left vessel. He reported ice very bad between here and Pt. Barrow, and very improbable that any vessel could reach that point.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol069/vol069_139_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 February 2014, 09:06:10
Just came across his when I was looking for something else:
Daily Alta California, Volume 81, Number 168, 15 December 1889
PRESENTATION TO CAPTAIN HEALY. (http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=DAC18891215.2.7#)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 14 February 2014, 09:28:37
Nice!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 14 February 2014, 09:31:27
Back in the days when people sometimes said good things about their government.  ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 14 February 2014, 10:59:52
From then until the present, there are very good people serving the public who deserve that praise, whatever is thought about the gov't.  Starting with the special teachers who teach joy of learning as well as what is in the textbooks.  And including scientists like Kevin.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 14 February 2014, 11:10:30
As an ex-government employee, I heartily agree.  :)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 14 February 2014, 17:54:32
August 28 1891 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol069/vol069_154_1.jpg

1.30 Lieut. Jarvis returned in launch with four of the reindeer purchased yesterday. Hoisted them on board, secured boats, cleared up decks etc. Carpenter employed building stalls for reindeer on main deck. The four reindeer were taken on board as an experiment more could have been purchased if desired.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 15 February 2014, 07:45:00
Sept 3, 1891 http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol069/vol069_160_1.jpg

brought off flour and tea purchased by Captain Healy and officers of vessel to distribute to natives of King's Island, who are reported to be in danger of starving. Brought on board a supply of moss for reindeer.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 15 February 2014, 08:46:04
After thinking that it would be great to see a photo of them hoisting the reindeer on board, a bit of searching led to 'The arctic adventures of Thetis (http://pubs.aina.ucalgary.ca/arctic/arctic30-1-2.pdf)' which actually mentions Bear quite a lot as well. And does indeed include a photo of a dangling reindeer (page 9) - it's not a great photo but still.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 15 February 2014, 11:24:06
Good find, Jil.  8)  It's a wonder the reindeer didn't die of fright.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 15 February 2014, 11:49:48
Distributed to the natives of King's Island, who were reported in danger of starvation, 100 sacks of flour and one chest of tea, purchased at St. Michaels; 9 boxes of bread (reindeer stores purchased of Dr. Sheldon Jackson,; and 7 barrels of flour and 6 barrels of bread, of the Pt. Barrow supplies (to be returned to the government by the officers of the vessel, J.E. McGrath, N.S.C.G Survey, and Dr. Sheldon Jackson.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol069/vol069_163_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 15 February 2014, 12:34:02
gastcra (Craig) passes the 8000 mark!
and
gastcra (Craig) passes the 9000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 15 February 2014, 12:35:03
jil passes the 9000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 15 February 2014, 15:35:05
21 Sept 1891 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol069/vol069_178_1.jpg

Put nine (9) reindeer ashore on Amaknak Island and seven (7) on Unalaska Island, the former in charge of US Deputy Marshal Anthony and the latter in charge of AC Co. Sent effects of McGrath's C & G Survey party and of Dr. Sheldon Jackson aboard US Revenue Str. "Rush". Received from Comd'g Officer of US Rev Str. "Rush" list of sailing vessel boarded during the season by the Governement fleet. Sent mail aboard US Rev Str. "Rush". Comd'g Officer made official call aboard guard ship "Alki?". Officer from str. "Alki" visited the vessel. John Cula? of Pt. Barrow Refuge Station; U.E. Jaggart, destitute miner; Dr. Sheldon Jackson; and J.E. McGrath, W.W. Davis, Wm. Dukes, C. F. Haglund, R.C. Cason, T.H. Beaumont, John Lines and James McLarty? of US C & G party left vessel. Received on board the following seamen transferred from Rev. Str. "Rush" and entered them on the muster roll of this vessel: W.A. Jolliff, A.E. Rasmussen, G.A. Andersen and J.W. Blaman?.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 16 February 2014, 00:50:17
Been away from the Bear for some time.
I seem to be having problems entering the lat/long. After entering it it hangs up and will not do anything when I click OK. (tried both ways N before and N after) Do you want N before as in the log or after the lat/long?
Only after clicking close can I get it to close.
This was not what happened on the Concord.
What is different on the Bear?


Problem fixed, I cleared the cache and it seemed to fix it.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 16 February 2014, 00:57:53
Abstract for Sept 1891.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol069/vol069_188_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol069/vol069_188_1.jpg)

Transcribe page went from 30 Sept 1891 to first two scan setup pages of new log book 01 Nov 1891.
Who nicked October?
Next page was scan setup 10/1891 to 12/1891,  ???
I seem to have found Oct.

Whose idea was it to do the Bear (34f snow and hail) after a holiday on the Concord in Honolulu 70s.
Oh! it was mine.  :-[
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 February 2014, 03:38:51
Been away from the Bear for some time.
I seem to be having problems entering the lat/long. After entering it it hangs up and will not do anything when I click OK. (tried both ways N before and N after) Do you want N before as in the log or after the lat/long?
Only after clicking close can I get it to close.
This was not what happened on the Concord.
What is different on the Bear?

I am not seeing any problem. What numbers are you trying to enter?
The lat/long should be entered as in the log.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 16 February 2014, 06:58:29
OK
After over a year of entering say 34 45 N, 166 23 W I go on to N 34 45, W 166 23. It's just a shock to the fingers.  :-[
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 16 February 2014, 07:14:04
Stuart, the first two transcriptions of the Bear have been completed (at least up to where DenisO has reached). Jil and I are doing the third but we don't trip over each other because she doesn't begin until I end. There is no problem you joining us but we risk two of us doing the same pages (i.e. 4 transcriptions) unless we coordinate our times. I usually begin about 11 AM GMT and stop about 3 PM GMT. Jil begins sometime after that.

Regarding Oct-Dec 1891, Sylvia posted the following:

USRS Bear 1891:

Log book commencing October 1st 1891 at Sea, Bering Sea, ending December 12th, 1891, at San Francisco, Cal

Have been scanned twice because there are two different copies of that log book.

Here are some "sample pages"

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol070/vol070_002_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol070A/vol070A_003_1.jpg

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol070A/vol070A_007_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol070/vol070_006_1.jpg

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol070A/vol070A_071_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol070/vol070_069_1.jpg

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol070/vol070_081_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol070A/vol070A_083_1.jpg

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol070A/vol070A_072_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol070/vol070_070_0.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 16 February 2014, 07:25:07
Reading the Bear thread from last March, it appears the duplicate log book mentioned above was removed. Strange that you encountered the Nov 1 page following Sept 30.

Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 February 2014, 07:26:39
It sounds like they may have left one page :-\
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 16 February 2014, 07:31:31
That's what I was thinking.

It appears that Stuart has gone to bed by now so it looks like the three of us won't interfere with each other's transcribing. We could probably even squeeze in a 4th transcriber living somewhere near Sochi (but no medals) ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 16 February 2014, 08:57:05
The log keeper is obviously showing a range for the wind strength on this page, even though the dash sometimes looks like a decimal point.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol070/vol070_020_0.jpg

It is less obvious on the previous page, where it looks like 8.7 rather than 8-7

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol070/vol070_019_0.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 16 February 2014, 12:18:27
All this activity has got us storming along to 49% complete.  :)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 16 February 2014, 13:29:30
Yes!  8)

Now we need someone from GTM +5 and GTM -8 to come on board so we can have 24-hour transcription.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 16 February 2014, 16:05:42
My usual time is in the region of 8PM GMT till 5AM GMT if that helps. (7AM - 4PM my time)
(I can shape my times to suit)
I am GMT +11 and do OW during the day.
I have used a decimal for ALL of the wind readings since starting OW.
When I first started OW the readings kept changing (decimal and dash) I was told to use decimal and have done ever since for every vessel.

Nov 7 1891 first page up today.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 February 2014, 16:22:46
I try to transcribe it as written. If it is not clear, I use the context to guess if it is a decimal point or a dash.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 16 February 2014, 16:33:14
I confuses me when they use BOTH . and - in the same column on the same page so I standardize with the . as instructed many years ago.

They are experiencing some strong winds at the moment. (11)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 16 February 2014, 17:46:59
Perhaps a good rule of thumb sometimes, Stuart, but in this case a decimal doesn't make sense. If you do a few pages you will see that it must be a dash. If he were recording decimals you wouldn't see so many entries without them. But don't let me influence you  ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 16 February 2014, 18:19:58
Craig.
What is the place I am at.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol070/vol070_050_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol070/vol070_050_0.jpg)
Looks like St Genge Island.

How do my transcribe times line up for you and Jil?
I will use a dash from now on.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 16 February 2014, 18:32:35
That's St. George Island, Stuart. They have been running back and forth between there and St. Paul Island and other small islands (North of the Aleutians). Earlier on they were helping to transport caribou from Siberia to Alaska. I think the may be finished that for the year.

I usually begin about 11 AM GMT and stop about 3 PM GMT. Jil begins sometime after that.


Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 17 February 2014, 08:18:38
The next log book doesn't follow the usual format. (I think Sylvia has mentioned this somewhere else but not in this thread). There are no weather report pages and from what I have seen the ship doesn't appear to leave San Francisco. The log book begins in 1892 and goes up to 1894 but there are big gaps. I think this is where Sylvia asked whether we could put the written weather remarks in the Weather tab, and the answer was yes. I did the same thing for the Jamestown 1844 when it was in port. The convention is to enter the time as the end of the watch.

In the beginning, at least, there are only three watches recorded per day. Pressure and (what looks like air) temperature is recorded in the left margin at midnight and noon. Given the long duration of each "watch" there can be more than one weather condition. For example, at 4 PM to Mid: "Calm, cloudy. Latter part rainy". Should we enter the complete phrase, or only "rainy" since we give the time as "Mid"  ???

So on the following page I propose putting the Noon pressure and temperature in the 8 AM to 4 PM watch and the midnight pressure and temperature in the 4 PM to midnight watch.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_003_0.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 February 2014, 08:44:48
If the pressures are in the margin at specific times, and not part of the watch write-up, shouldn't the numbers be listed as noon and midnight?  Just asking.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 February 2014, 08:52:06
It is in this topic: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3096.msg67982#msg67982
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 17 February 2014, 09:15:10
Thanks, Randi.

If we did make separate entries for the pressures for noon and midnight, we would have two entries for midnight, Janet.

I am going to type both weather conditions rather than the last, unless I hear otherwise.

Can we omit typing San Francisco twice on the same page?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 February 2014, 11:29:45
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Can we omit typing San Francisco twice on the same page?

Your choice on this one.  It's not as if they are going anywhere.  Though it would be nice to know where they are more exactly - SF Bay is humongous.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 17 February 2014, 13:03:47
Do you have their phone number?  ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 February 2014, 13:20:00
Nope, unfortunately.  I haven't found a TARDIS to borrow yet.  :D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 February 2014, 17:40:34
gastcra (Craig) passes the 10,000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 February 2014, 17:42:18
pommystuart (Pommy Stuart) passes the 5000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 17 February 2014, 18:32:26
When we have something like the following: "First part light SW breeze; Latter part moderate SE gale" I am wondering whether it might be better to type the whole phrase into one wind direction box and let the future users deal with it. In the Jamestown 1844 I used to make two entries when there was a first part/last part in a watch but the hour you record for the first half is arbitrary and it takes more time.

In other cases he has, for example, "Calm to light W'ly breeze". I have been putting "W'ly in the wind direction and "Calm to light breeze" in the wind force but since Philip isn't even using this why not just type the whole phrase verbatim into one of the boxes (direction or force) and the future users can treat it however they want. Perhaps Philip can advise us on this?

And there is the question of the pressure and temperature recorded in the margin. For the "4 PM to midnight" watch it makes sense to put the midnight pressure and temp in the hour "midnight". But for the noon pressure and temperature does he want an extra hour for this or can we slip it in with the "8 AM to 4 PM" watch, which is identified by "4 PM".

Or do we just do whatever we think best given that DennisO and Sylvia have already transcribed this log book?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_012_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 February 2014, 18:54:43
When we have something like the following: "First part light SW breeze; Latter part moderate SE gale" I am wondering whether it might be better to type the whole phrase into one wind direction box and let the future users deal with it. In the Jamestown 1844 I used to make two entries when there was a first part/last part in a watch but the hour you record for the first half is arbitrary and it takes more time.
I would just do SE and moderate gale with the end time of the watch

In other cases he has, for example, "Calm to light W'ly breeze". I have been putting "W'ly in the wind direction and "Calm to light breeze" in the wind force but since Philip isn't even using this why not just type the whole phrase verbatim into one of the boxes (direction or force) and the future users can treat it however they want. Perhaps Philip can advise us on this?
From some of Philip's comments (while discussing 'trades'), wind direction should go in the wind direction box and wind force should go in the wind force box.

And there is the question of the pressure and temperature recorded in the margin. For the "4 PM to midnight" watch it makes sense to put the midnight pressure and temp in the hour "midnight". But for the noon pressure and temperature does he want an extra hour for this or can we slip it in with the "8 AM to 4 PM" watch, which is identified by "4 PM".
For the noon pressure and temperature, create a noon entry (in cases where there is not a watch ending at noon).

Or do we just do whatever we think best given that DennisO and Sylvia have already transcribed this log book?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_012_1.jpg

Philip does want the pressure and temperature, but (as far as I know) wind direction and force are optional - and were your idea ;)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 17 February 2014, 20:43:53
I do want to enter it, Randi. I am just thinking out loud about what is the best way to do it.

The problem in this log book is that the watch is 8 hours long and there usually different conditions during that period. For cases like that it may be better to enter the whole expression in one box rather than trying to split it up as I described above.

Never mind bothering Philip about it. I'll just do what I think is best.



Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 February 2014, 21:21:29
 :)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 18 February 2014, 08:16:10
Now we have skipped to December 1892 with 6 WRs per log page.  Still in San Fran.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 18 February 2014, 11:38:58
Perhaps Kevin can encourage us while we work our way through the current Bear log (that Sylvia and DennisO have done without complaining  8)). I keep wondering what use is the fragmentary data for San Francisco in the early 1890s. Are there not other sources of weather data for this area?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 18 February 2014, 15:51:16
Now we have skipped to December 1892 with 6 WRs per log page.  Still in San Fran.

Lucky you, I am still in April 1892.  :(
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 18 February 2014, 16:21:44
That must have been a page you left off at. Otherwise, I don't understand why you wouldn't be up with me. The first two transcriptions are away ahead of us.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 19 February 2014, 05:19:41
Craig, I'm also back in April 1892, so I think you must have reached as far as DennisO had got.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 19 February 2014, 07:31:49
Strange. DennisO has done 38,000 WRs and I have only done 10,000

From April 27 1892 I skipped to December 1892.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 19 February 2014, 08:10:07
Randi or Janet, any idea why we have been leapfrogging then all of a sudden we're not? We are still a long way behind the top two transcribers.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 19 February 2014, 08:23:37
maybe you are the very first third transcriber? 
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 19 February 2014, 08:31:39
So Jil and Stuart would be in the second stream finishing off what DennisO didn't complete? But I would expect them to be ahead of me chronologically, then. Perhaps some new log books were inserted that mixed things up?

Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 19 February 2014, 08:38:41
All kinds of different things can happen in what various transcribers get and do.  About the only transcriber who can count on what they get when is the first one if they stick to it and stay captain.  You can't control this at all, you can only hope for consecutive feeds.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 19 February 2014, 08:52:48
If you add the WR's for gastcra through sal42, it comes to very roughly 38 thousand, so you three may now be the second and third transcribers.
The logs are usually, but not always, in chronological order.

 :-\ :-\ :-\

I get April 27, 1892 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_017_1.jpg,
then two blank page2,
then December 13, 1892 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_019_0.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 19 February 2014, 09:34:03
Good point, Randi. Collectively, the 10 of us have passed DennisO (which may be what Jil was suggesting). So perhaps the front runner becomes second which would mean that Jil and Stuart may still be leapfrogging the 3rd transcription.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 19 February 2014, 12:04:23
Good point, Randi. Collectively, the 10 of us have passed DennisO (which may be what Jil was suggesting). So perhaps the front runner becomes second which would mean that Jil and Stuart may still be leapfrogging the 3rd transcription.
Yes, that's what I meant.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 19 February 2014, 12:10:38
I'm the slow one in this calculation. Good thinking  8)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 19 February 2014, 14:35:24
Nothing to stop you transcribing 24 hours a day now!  ;)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 19 February 2014, 15:24:57
That's the spirit! ;D

(I have some doubts about the eventual accuracy, though ;))
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 19 February 2014, 15:45:42
April 24 1892 jumped to Dec 17 1892.
That is a big leapfrog.

NEE DEEP   ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 19 February 2014, 15:55:16
Nothing to stop you transcribing 24 hours a day now!  ;)

Ha! I must confess, though, that I am spending a bit more time just to get finished this log book. I am about half finished and I am hoping the next one will take us up north again. San Francisco's a nice place to visit - especially during the gay 90's, but there's a limit.

It think the same thing happens in 1893, Stuart. Suits me fine if the ship was in port all that time.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 19 February 2014, 16:25:25
What is the code for 'Thick and raining' ?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 19 February 2014, 16:28:02
I don't think there is one.
If you want to, you can enter "thick and raining" in the weather code box, but you should not try to convert it into a code.
You don't need to enter it unless you really want to.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 19 February 2014, 16:43:02
OK i will just enter r
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 19 February 2014, 16:49:07
If you are using Firefox you shouldn't have to type too much. However, when there are too many variations on the same thing I find it is faster to type the words than look for the right line in the list. But since you are now doing pages I have already done probably one transcription of the weather remarks is enough. Philip won't be using them anyway.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 19 February 2014, 18:09:41
If you don't want to enter what it actually says, it is probably better not to enter anything. If you enter r and Craig enters thick and raining, the entry will probably be ignored.

I am doing the weather remarks for Jamestown 1844 (as is camiller) because they don't have that field, but I am not currently doing them anywhere else.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 20 February 2014, 05:11:17
December 27 1892 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_026_0.jpg

Packing goods for World's Columbian exposition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_Columbian_Exposition)

I wonder what they were sending?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 20 February 2014, 07:45:46
I wonder ???

April 19 1893 the French Steamer, Duchaffault visits San Francisco and gets a lot of attention

http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=SFC18930417.2.111

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_082_0.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 20 February 2014, 08:25:57
skipped from May 1 1893 to Nov 13 1893

I had the impression they were preparing for a voyage in April because they loaded trading goods for reindeer.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: camiller on 20 February 2014, 10:44:15
I am doing the weather remarks for Jamestown 1844 (as is camiller) because they don't have that field, but I am not currently doing them anywhere else.

I enter full text into the fields instead of changing weather to codes on the Jamestown 1844.

That said, couldn't "thick and raining" be interpreted as 'gloomy', which is code 'g' ? ;D 
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 20 February 2014, 14:38:25
Quote
I enter full text into the fields instead of changing weather to codes on the Jamestown 1844.
That is the correct procedure.

Quote
That said, couldn't "thick and raining" be interpreted as 'gloomy', which is code 'g' ? ;D 
But then we are no longer transcribing we are interpreting - maybe incorrectly - and if each person does their own interpretation they may not match.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: camiller on 20 February 2014, 15:07:39
You're right, of course.  I just really like that there is a code for 'gloomy'.  I use it to justify entering "pleasant" in the weather code box.   At least the scientists know what the weather is not. :D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 20 February 2014, 15:21:32
I agree, Carolyn  ... unless some log keeper thinks rain is pleasant  ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: camiller on 20 February 2014, 15:24:38
 ;D  And after this winter, Craig, I'm putting snow in the 'gloomy' category, too!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 20 February 2014, 16:17:04
It's an acquired taste ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 20 February 2014, 17:09:10
Hi Craig.
I see what you mean by suggesting the drop down box's be wider.
Having to put the entries in full text you can only see the first word of a compound entry and it takes for ever for the see the rest when you mouse over.
I have reverted to just typing which is a pity to waste a drop down resource.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: camiller on 20 February 2014, 17:46:54
It's an acquired taste ;D
;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 21 February 2014, 07:51:22
Been away from the Bear for some time.
I seem to be having problems entering the lat/long. After entering it it hangs up and will not do anything when I click OK. (tried both ways N before and N after) Do you want N before as in the log or after the lat/long?
Only after clicking close can I get it to close.
This was not what happened on the Concord.
What is different on the Bear?


Problem fixed, I cleared the cache and it seemed to fix it.

It just happened to me when I was trying to add lat/long in edit mode (on Thetis).
But then I tried to add it to another page in edit mode and that worked fine :P
So, there seems to be a problem, but only in certain special cases. Keep an eye out everyone!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 21 February 2014, 07:52:28
Hi Craig.
I see what you mean by suggesting the drop down box's be wider.
Having to put the entries in full text you can only see the first word of a compound entry and it takes for ever for the see the rest when you mouse over.
I have reverted to just typing which is a pity to waste a drop down resource.

I still  find the Foxfire autocomplete useful more than half the time, though. When I get the phrase "light variable airs" I type "v" and it comes to the top. I also delete infrequent phrases that get in the way. The next log book is closer than it seems. This is a short one.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 21 February 2014, 07:55:44
Been away from the Bear for some time.
I seem to be having problems entering the lat/long. After entering it it hangs up and will not do anything when I click OK. (tried both ways N before and N after) Do you want N before as in the log or after the lat/long?
Only after clicking close can I get it to close.
This was not what happened on the Concord.
What is different on the Bear?


Problem fixed, I cleared the cache and it seemed to fix it.

It just happened to me when I was trying to add lat/long in edit mode (on Thetis).
But then I tried to add it to another page in edit mode and that worked fine :P
So, there seems to be a problem, but only in certain special cases. Keep an eye out everyone!

You are right that it is in special cases, Randi. I have had it on different ships. If I see that the areas is extra dark I delete one of them.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 21 February 2014, 08:09:49
Let's try to figure out the pattern ;)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 21 February 2014, 08:24:15
That's a real challenge. My guess is that clearing the buffer might help. I haven't bothered with it because it's not much of a problem once you know what to expect.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 21 February 2014, 08:26:58
I didn't clear my buffer, but the problem disappeared - at least for he moment.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 21 February 2014, 08:40:12
Hmm... perhaps we need Malinquist  ;D

Quote
C. Y. Malinquist on board experimenting with an invention for scrubbing vessels' bottoms

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_118_0.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 21 February 2014, 11:33:04
Made it to the new book.

It doubles back to May-November 1893.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 22 February 2014, 11:31:42
Showing 50% complete - woot!

It's all down hill now - although that sounds a little alarming in a ship. :)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 22 February 2014, 11:41:56
Yea team! Go for the gold.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 23 February 2014, 07:35:20
Weather records go back a long way in San Francisco

http://ggweather.com/sf/sites.html
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 23 February 2014, 16:03:25
Hi Craig.
I see what you mean by suggesting the drop down box's be wider.
Having to put the entries in full text you can only see the first word of a compound entry and it takes for ever for the see the rest when you mouse over.
I have reverted to just typing which is a pity to waste a drop down resource.

I still  find the Foxfire autocomplete useful more than half the time, though. When I get the phrase "light variable airs" I type "v" and it comes to the top. I also delete infrequent phrases that get in the way. The next log book is closer than it seems. This is a short one.

I find entries like this a pain.
"Moderate to strong SE gale moderation to a light west breeze."
My drop down only shows Moderate t...  and I wait for (ever it seems) for the full text to appear when I mouse over.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 23 February 2014, 17:20:26
Soon you will be back to the regular format in the next log book - after Feb.10, 1894.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 23 February 2014, 17:37:41
Oh good, only 11 months to go.  ::)

At least they are only 4 to a day at the moment.  ;)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 23 February 2014, 20:03:27
Nope. The book you're on jumps from May to November. The following log book fills in the gap.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 23 February 2014, 22:33:50
Oooooooooo K. That makes sense.  ???
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 24 February 2014, 04:24:14
Stuart,
It looks like the log books weren't always scanned in chronological order. When I started transcribing Bear it was with the 1894 summer log book, then skipped back to 1886 and until recently the winter books hadn't been appearing at all.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 24 February 2014, 12:41:02
Stuart,
It looks like the log books weren't always scanned in chronological order. When I started transcribing Bear it was with the 1894 summer log book, then skipped back to 1886 and until recently the winter books hadn't been appearing at all.

It's a matter of preservation.  The Archives are making archive-quality scans for themselves, and shipping them to us to downgrade to JPEG for our interface.  Any and every time they find a book that needs to be sent to be restored they send to the restoration department first and then move on to the next good book to be scanned.  They don't want to damage fragile paper even more by scanning it first.  They get scanned whenever the repaired book is given back to them.  A not-uncommon occurrence in books more than a century old that have been at sea.

Call it a side-effect of preserving history for our children's generations.  :)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 25 February 2014, 08:28:25
Expended 15 extra rations to prepare a nice dinner for the crew on July the Fourth.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol073/vol073_072_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 25 February 2014, 17:37:59
Happy 1894.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 25 February 2014, 18:02:08
Enjoy it while it lasts.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 26 February 2014, 00:18:19
Oops.
Mer to 4pm @ 4PM
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_130_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_130_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 26 February 2014, 08:33:50
I've reached the normal log books again - yeah!!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 26 February 2014, 08:54:56
 :)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 26 February 2014, 09:50:30
Thanks for telling us - I have set the level back to easy ;)
Maybe you will get some new crew members!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 26 February 2014, 10:40:20
jil passes the 10,000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 26 February 2014, 10:41:18
pommystuart (Pommy Stuart) passes the 6000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 26 February 2014, 17:16:56
Quote
After the mature consideration of the report that the whaling steamers Orca, Thrasher, Beluga and Mary D. Hume were probably in the ice and might be in danger, the commanding officer decided to return to Point Barrow.

I wonder if "mature consideration" means" will I get into trouble if I just take off and leave them to fend for themselves?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol073/vol073_105_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 26 February 2014, 17:35:16
August 4, 1893

Quote
At 8:00 sent officer to consult with the masters of the whaling vessels as to the condition of the stmrs. Orca, Thrasher, Beluga, and Mary D. Hume. It was learned that these vessels are in the ice-pack 15miles NNE from Pt. Barrow and their situation is thought dangerous. The considerations are such that the steamers can not be reached in order to render assistance, but in view of the number of lives - about 200 souls - and the valuable property involved, it is deemed advisable to await the developments that may be caused by a change of wind.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol073/vol073_106_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 27 February 2014, 07:57:55
Aug. 9 1893

Quote
sighted Str. "Mary D. Hume" steaming to the southward and westward. When she arrived, boarded her and ascertained that the other vessels were in no danger, the ice having opened and freed them, and that the "Beluga" and the "Thrasher" were on their way to an anchorage off the Point
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 27 February 2014, 07:59:54
Whew! ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 27 February 2014, 08:34:24
It appears to be pretty treacherous up there. The previous year the Bear couldn't make it to Point Barrow because of ice. I can't remember which month, though. It doesn't seem to deter the whalers.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 27 February 2014, 09:47:33
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol073/vol073_020_1.jpg

Discharged John B. Anderson, coxswain, for assaulting the boatswain and continued drunkenness.  :o
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 27 February 2014, 17:25:15
Hi Jil.
Just started today on May 30 1893.
At least they can discharge their crew, I was stuck with mine on the Concord.

31 May 'Discovered error of Tea (10) rations in expenditure for the 18th inst and 19th inst.'
Shades of the Boston Tea Party?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 01 March 2014, 23:27:24
3 July 1893
Expended 15 extra rations to prepare a nice dinner for  the crew on July the Fourth.

(Ah, that was nice.)   ;)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 02 March 2014, 00:37:35
Another Birthday for me at sea and they have eaten all the food.  ???
No wonder I feel old with all these extra birthdays.  :(
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 02 March 2014, 00:57:13
Unusual turn of phrase?
Benjamin Valpy, a meak-minded sailor from ... ect
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol073/vol073_074_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol073/vol073_074_1.jpg)  Merid to 4PM
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 02 March 2014, 03:23:43
weak minded :-\
(see w in first line of Merid to 4PM - "cloudy, with rain"
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 02 March 2014, 03:36:16
Thanks.
Still, 'Weak Minded' is not a nice way to log someone arriving on your ship. I guess it maybe a polite way of saying Mad.
I can understand them entering about the Amputee but ....
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 02 March 2014, 03:49:15
Perhaps they mean not too smart?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 02 March 2014, 05:41:56
July 9 1893 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol073/vol073_078_1.jpg

12.50 Launch returned with officer and crew, bringing seventeen (17) reindeer
4.30 Officer and boat's crew returned from shore with thirteen (13) reindeer. Hoisted them aboard and paid the owners in trade goods
7.45 Stopped to pick up some ducks.

I'm not sure how big the launch is, but I bet it was a little cosy with 17 reindeer in it. And I'm assuming the ducks were for dinner?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 02 March 2014, 06:12:49
July 10 1893 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol073/vol073_079_1.jpg

Mr Thomas Lopp, his family, and effects, were received on board for transporation to Port Clarence Reindeer Station, to take charge of that establishment. A party of 14 natives was also taken on board for transportation to Port Clarence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Thomas_Lopp
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 02 March 2014, 07:32:56
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol073/vol073_080_1.jpg

The master of the Berwick, as well as the boarding officer, were under the impression that the vessel was cruising under license, but a further examination revealed the fact that the Berwick is a registered vessel. Although the master violated Section [blank] of the Revised Statutes by attempting to import the reindeer (cattle) without entering them through a Custom House. The Commanding Officer, in view of the previously recorded facts, allowed him the privalege of landing the deer on the American side at any place other than Government Stations, with the understanding that they be put on the vessel's manifest and entered at the nearest custom house as soon as practicable.

I'm not sure I totally get this, but it looks like the Berwick is also importing reindeer.

Or not ... from http://www.naha.stolaf.edu/pubs/nas/volume11/vol11_7.htm

Quote
On one trip to Siberia, Captain Healy of the "Bear" found that Captain Wagner of the schooner "Berwick" had visited Siberia to secure reindeer for American exhibition purposes. It was reported that Captain Wagner had represented himself to be buying deer for the government and had traded liquor to the natives, a circumstance that demoralized the trade for the season. Whenever Captain Healy tried to trade for reindeer, the first demand on the part of the natives was for whisky. He reported that the unauthorized whisky trading of Captain Wagner had prevented the government from purchasing at least one hundred reindeer, besides increasing the prices of those purchased.

Underneath the additional paper is the original log entry which explains some of the above (they are also landing the reindeer and Mr. Lopp) - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol073/vol073_081_1.jpg

Am Sch Berwick, Capt. Wagner, having on board 14 reindeer from the Siberian side, was found to be cruising under license instead of register. From an interview with Capt. Wagner, the Comd'g Officer found that the master of the Berwick had acted under the direction of Mr. Bruce, late Superintendent of the Reindeer Station, who represented to him that he had power to grant him the privilege of importing the deer. As everything tended to show that there was no intention on the part of the master of the Berwick to violate the law, the Comd'g Officer permitted him to return the deer to the other side, thinking that the trouble, loss of time, and expense to which the Berwick would be put, would sufficiently vindicate the law, until a report to the Department could be made.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 02 March 2014, 08:00:38
I wonder if the Bear was the only Revenue Cutter policing that area. It seems like a momentous task. They are trying to stop sealing as well as to prevent sale whisky to the natives. I saw a mention of the Corwin at Unalaska. Perhaps it is also patrolling the Bering Sea.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 02 March 2014, 08:25:17
The Bear's surgeon finally succumbed to the flu outbreak in Unalaska and Dutch Harbor that he has been treating for several weeks:

Quote
The surgeon being sick and confined to his bed, the surgeon of the USS Petrel took up cases of sickness at Unalaska Village and on board the ship.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol073/vol073_176_1.jpg

Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 02 March 2014, 08:27:59
The simple fact that they were looking for "licences" and not just vessel registrations indicates that a number of private vessels were hired to transport the reindeer under gov't rules.

I did find the Report on Introduction of Domestic Reindeer Into Alaska: With Maps and (Illustrations?) (http://books.google.com/books?id=VB6W8qFgK4AC&printsec=frontcover&dq=editions:Rx54R7avWlcC&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MyETU5OVIObr0gGx34CoAw&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false) submitted in 1893.  It covers the whole 3 years of planning this, including a full list of donations collected to pay for the first experimental shipment.  Very interesting.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Zr3ZbV_HUnk/UxMlY_hIPLI/AAAAAAAADVQ/B2430Bp_PMQ/w391-h498-no/reindeer+loading+on+Bear+1893.JPG)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 02 March 2014, 09:58:37
That looks interesting, Janet. It's by Dr. Sheldon Jackson, whom we have seen before.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 02 March 2014, 10:40:36
Pressure up to 30.80 in the PM. I haven't seen if that high before.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol073/vol073_186_0.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 02 March 2014, 11:31:26
Oct. 25 1893

Quote
spoke to Stm. whaling bark "Belvedere" bound to San Francisco. Captain Cook came on board and reported no accidents to whaling fleet, and about all of the vessels out of the Arctic.

Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 02 March 2014, 12:50:25
Janet, great find especially the reindeer hoisting pic.  :)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 02 March 2014, 14:15:03
gastcra (Craig) passes the 15,000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 02 March 2014, 14:53:09
That reindeer picture is great - but it does make me wonder how on earth they managed to prevent themselves being punctured by their antlers once they had a whole herd on board .... ::)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 03 March 2014, 09:00:48
And it must have made cleaning the decks interesting  ;)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 03 March 2014, 13:03:20
That's one word for it!   :D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 03 March 2014, 13:21:11
They were probably scared pooh-poohless before they were even hoisted on board.  ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 03 March 2014, 15:52:35
They were obviously stored on the Poop deck.
End of conversation.
 ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 March 2014, 15:53:28
(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-060.gif)  lollia paolina passes the 60,000 mark!  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-061.gif)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 03 March 2014, 16:02:49
Well done my Captain Silvia.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 03 March 2014, 17:03:07
Way to go, Sylvia!   8) How's the weather up there?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 03 March 2014, 20:13:55
And the Bear is now 52% complete.  It takes a lot of WRs to get a percentage point.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 03 March 2014, 20:57:56
Just out of curiosity where is everybody up to?
I am doing Aug 1893.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 03 March 2014, 21:01:07
March 3 1894. It skips from November 93 to February 94.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 03 March 2014, 21:08:11
I have done most the Nov 93- Feb 94 logs before this one.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 04 March 2014, 03:31:54
pommystuart (Pommy Stuart) passes the 7000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 04 March 2014, 04:44:55
Congratulations to the Captain and all the crew!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 04 March 2014, 09:56:01
We skip from April 1894 to November 1894, with the usual 6 WRs/page.

This time I am not entering weather information from the remarks.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 04 March 2014, 11:15:55
 ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 05 March 2014, 10:14:48
Continuing my reindeer obsession  ::)

August 26 1893 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol073/vol073_129_1.jpg

2:15 Officer and launch returned with 5 female reindeer. Hoisted them on board and paid natives in trade goods.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 05 March 2014, 10:37:08
August 27 1893 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol073/vol073_130_1.jpg

In compliance with the request of the Bureau of Education, took on board, Chiau?, a native Siberian boy to be taken to San Francisco and taught English in order to act as interpreter in the purchase of reindeer.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 05 March 2014, 10:50:33
I'll bet you will be first in line when we get Santa Clause's logs to transcribe, Jil.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 05 March 2014, 11:24:25
August 28 1893 at Cape Prince of Wales - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol073/vol073_131_1.jpg

5:30 sent two officers ashore. 7:10 boat returned and officers reported that Mr. H.R. Thornton, teacher of the Mission School, had been shot and killed on the night of the 19th inst. by two natives, Kongok?, Idlianawick?. The other natives, hearing of the murder, shot and killed Kongok and Idlianawick, and wounded Jitalk another native who did no shooting but was with them at the time. He afterwards got away. The body of Mr. Thornton was found in the house, decomposition having set in. The bodies of the two natives were found on the hillside, back of the house where they had been dragged after being killed. Carpenter made a coffin for the remains of Mr. Thornton.

8:20 Officers and boat's crew went ashore with coffin. 11:10 officers and boat's crew returned, having buried the remains of Mr. Thornton on the hillside back of the Mission House.

The Pacific Northwest Quarterly (http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/40487863?uid=3738032&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&sid=21103492452441) has further info on the murder but you need to register to read more than the first page.

Picture  (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Harrison_R._Thornton.jpg)of Mr. Thornton.

August 29 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol073/vol073_133_1.jpg
Mrs. H.R. Thornton came on board for transportation to Cape Prince of Wales.

August 30 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol073/vol073_134_1.jpg
Sent officer and boat's crew ashore with Mrs. H.R. Thornton to aid transporting her effects to the ship.
Carpenter making head board for Mr. Thornton's grave.
7:30 2nd cutter returned with Mrs. Thornton and Mr. Lopp. The head board was placed in position at Mr. Thorton's grave. Received on board Mrs. Thornton's effects. Mrs. H.R. Thornton came on board for transportation to Unalaska.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 05 March 2014, 11:26:58
I'll bet you will be first in line when we get Santa Clause's logs to transcribe, Jil.
;D I'm there!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 05 March 2014, 12:38:12
I didn't find a picture, but I did find newspaper articles on it from Honolulu and San Francisco.  They provide details of the attack and motive.

The morning call., November 13, 1893, Page 10, Image 10 (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn82016412/1893-11-20/ed-1/seq-2/http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn94052989/1893-11-13/ed-1/seq-10/)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-vYkpihnad2I/UxdQ44fVl-I/AAAAAAAADWI/yyHwa8C4iOQ/w283-h424-no/Thornton+murder+1.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-UaQqH8Qeupg/UxdQ49R6tkI/AAAAAAAADWM/AY1IrYhSlDw/w286-h196-no/Thornton+murder+2.jpg)     
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-jZ2yhu6YCcE/UxdQ5LiojwI/AAAAAAAADWc/c18iMbda1_0/w287-h481-no/Thornton+murder+3.jpg)     

The Daily bulletin., November 20, 1893, Image 1 (http://)

This was shows a shocking lack of awareness of the area covered by the Bear and just how small any one problem is when calculating where the Bear ought to be when.  But it explains the reason for the murder.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ZZnB3s6-ZFA/UxdRJ-tWkdI/AAAAAAAADXA/DalSgXK8Qbo/w368-h303-no/Thornton+plea+1.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-oHa7pYWjFq4/UxdRKAQxtHI/AAAAAAAADXE/MF-FL-TsWWA/w387-h510-no/Thornton+plea+2.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1AyUC52L_ms/UxdRKCe-w-I/AAAAAAAADW8/wxey1UD-WN4/w376-h177-no/Thornton+plea+3.jpg)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 06 March 2014, 07:55:57
The worst things happen in port  ;D

Quote
In making the wharf collided with Am. brig "Monitor" of San Francisco, carrying away her main boom damaging the string piece of the wharf and carrying away our martingale.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol074/vol074_115_0.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 06 March 2014, 07:57:51
Ooops  :-[
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 06 March 2014, 08:09:43
The worst things happen in port  ;D

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In making the wharf collided with Am. brig "Monitor" of San Francisco, carrying away her main boom damaging the string piece of the wharf and carrying away our nightingale.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol074/vol074_115_0.jpg

I think it is martingale:
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/26000/26000-h/26000-h.htm#M
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin_striker
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 06 March 2014, 08:28:53
You're right, Randi. The loop of the "h" from the line below fooled me.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 07 March 2014, 07:09:28
April 21, 1994, leaving port of San Francisco:

Quote
Received signal from US. Rev. Cutter "Rush" FCSW "wish you a pleasant passage" Answered RSJ "Thanks"



Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 07 March 2014, 08:24:01
April 28, 1894

Quote
Rev. Sheldon Jackson came on board for his regular inspection tour of the Alaskan schools.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 08 March 2014, 13:57:33
I don't think Benjamin is going to get a very good reference for his next job!

Having found Benjamin Valpey?, ordinary seaman, incapable of performing his duties and generally worthless, disrated him from the 1st instant.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol073/vol073_184_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 08 March 2014, 14:16:19
The army would probably take him  ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 08 March 2014, 15:46:11
That's severe!  I don't think I've had anyone 'generally worthless' though Pioneer has got rid of a number for 'ineptitude' or sometimes 'inaptitude'. 
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 08 March 2014, 16:11:36
Unusual turn of phrase?
Benjamin Valpy, a mweak-minded sailor from ... ect
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol073/vol073_074_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol073/vol073_074_1.jpg)  Merid to 4PM

This may explain his situation.
Randi thinks it says Weak minded and looking back I agree.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 08 March 2014, 16:47:45
Ahh. I hadn't spotted it was the same man. It was more than 3 months later that he was disrated so it looks like they hadn't given up on him straight away.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 09 March 2014, 09:00:19
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol075/vol075_058_1.jpg

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At one o'clock sent steam launch to ascertain character of a whale boat seen coming into Unalaska Bay from sea. Found her to be one of the boats of the wrecked bark "James Allen", lost May 11th in Sequam Pass, containing Captain Arthur Huntley, and the following six men, St. Johnson, Thos. Westaway (boat steerers), O. Isakson carpenter, Chas. Lewis, Frank Pina, and Oscar Hansen, seamen. Brought them on board in a weak, exhausted condition. Gave medical aid to those needing same, fed and clothed them. Issued a ration to each. Captain Huntley reported having left North side of Umnak Id. June 5th and rowed the total distance 130 miles, to Unalaska, being seven days in route, He had left ten (10) more men in camp at Umnak Id. being unable to bring them here in the one boat.

Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 March 2014, 09:13:59
http://alaskashipwreck.com/shipwrecks-by-area/south-west-alaska-shipwrecks-2/south-west-alaska-shipwrecks-j/

http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=SDU18940623.2.4
http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=SDU18940712.2.55#

http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=SFC18940709.2.89 :o ??? :o ???
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 09 March 2014, 10:13:57
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At 12:20 boats returned from shore, bringing back nine (9) of the ten (10) left there ten days ago by Captain Huntley; one having died since he left. The names of those rescued are Daniel Logan, Frank King, John Dietriche, Wm. Andrews, James Allen, John Ricker, D. Peterson, Jos. Milani, and Frank Burton, all seamen, They were in a weak and emaciated condition from exposure, and starvation, and their bodies covered with sores and vermin. Food was given them under the Doctors direction, who also gave them what medical assistance they needed. Their clothes were thrown overboard as soon as possible, as a sanitary precaution, and hair cut, hot baths and clean clothes were given them.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol075/vol075_060_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 March 2014, 14:34:23
pommystuart (Pommy Stuart) passes the 8000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 11 March 2014, 09:52:22
Oct. 1, 1894, off Point Hope, Alaska

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The Master of the whaling schooners "Emily Schroder", Bain, and "Silver Wave", Calighan, both of San Francisco, came on board and reported their vessels hard ashore in the Lagoon, just to Westward of Point Hope, and with no present prospect of floating off. They had been blown ashore in a hurricane October 13, 1893. Portions of their crews remain by the vessels, others are dispersed.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol075/vol075_108_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 11 March 2014, 16:49:50
Craig passes the 20000 mark!

Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 11 March 2014, 17:40:42
Only 44,000 to catch up to Sylvia (if she stops transcribing, that is)  ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 11 March 2014, 17:53:06
 ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 11 March 2014, 18:08:38
Good job Sylvia is doing a number of ships or we would really be left in her wake.   ;)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 13 March 2014, 06:49:34
Log pages listing to port; capture windows listing to starboard; considerable sea ice.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol075/vol075_139_0.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 13 March 2014, 09:28:01
 ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 13 March 2014, 11:00:27
What the well dressed ship is wearing this season:

Received from Department the following flags and bunting,
One Revenue Ensign, No. 1,
One Revenue Ensign, No. 2,
Four Revenue Ensign, No. 4,
One Revenue Pennant, No. 1,
Two Revenue Pennant, No. 2,
One National Pennant, No. 1,
Ten yards Red Bunting,
Ten yards White Bunting,
Five yards Blue Bunting,
Five Yards Yellow Bunting.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol074/vol074_017_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 13 March 2014, 11:55:53
I am proud to be transcribing such a fashion setter.  ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 17 March 2014, 14:31:06
Peter Callahan, fireman, returned on board & reported that he had been compelled to ship on str. "City of Sidney", & now could not return to this vessel. I discharged him from today, after having him sign vouchers for his pay from Nov. 1 to Nov. 24, the day he left the vessel.

 ???

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol074/vol074_063_0.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 17 March 2014, 15:00:28
Yeah, I wonder what was so compelling  ???  Perhaps they paid better.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 March 2014, 15:04:06
British impressing?  If he was a British citizen?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 17 March 2014, 16:52:35
"City of Sidney"
Maybe he just wanted some sun down under, or, he was to cheap to be a 10 Pound Tourist.

By the way, Happy 1895 to all.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 17 March 2014, 17:42:53
We're up to 55%!  It was 45% about 8 weeks ago.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 22 March 2014, 03:25:43
gastcra (Craig) passes the 25,000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 22 March 2014, 07:13:32
 ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 25 March 2014, 06:18:18
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol076/vol076_185_1.jpg   Oct. 20, 1895

At 12.30 AM cries of distress were heard at entrance of harbor. Sent dinghy and cutter to render assistance and on reaching locality found 2nd. Lieut. G. M. Daniels and Surgeon Thos. Bodkin holding on to keel of overturned boat. On returning from Unalaska their boat had accidently capsized and when rescued were almost exhausted from their struggles and long submergence in the cold water.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol076/vol076_186_1.jpg

Lieut. Daniels suffering from anesthesia of hands and arms. Surgeon Bodkin better, except suffering from numbness of fingers.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 25 March 2014, 07:12:34
That was a close call - I'm glad they were heard in time.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 25 March 2014, 09:10:14
 :o
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 25 March 2014, 10:08:12
The were back on duty the following day. Indeed, very lucky!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 25 March 2014, 11:19:32
Nov. 7 1895

So much for the wet temperature:  :(

Strong SSE gale with very heavy squalls, hauling to SSW and moderating to a fresh breeze ... Rough sea ... Hygrometer washed overboard by sea.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 26 March 2014, 07:04:25
When I read on this page http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol076/vol076_210_1.jpg  that the Bering Sea Patrol was being disbanded at the end of the 1895 season I checked the Internet and found that this was a regular occurrence at the end of each season. However, look what it says about what happened in 1897 ...



When the Bering Sea patrol fleet
disbanded as usual after its sum-
mer work at Unalaska, in Septem-
ber, 1897, it was to learn that the
whaling fleet had not returned, but
was probably shut in by ice at the
northernmost point of Alaska, and
that the 265 men composing its
crews would be in danger of dying
from hunger unless aid could reach
them early in the spring. Great con-
cern was felt, at headquarters in
Washington, over the perilous sit-
uation of our venturesome whale-
men. At first the President contem-
plated sending a naval ship to
their relief. Then the Revenue Cut-
ter Service was asked if it had a ves-
sel available for the purpose, and
all its esprit de corps was stirred.
Captain Shoemaker, Chief of the
Service, answered that the Bear
could be utilized as soon as she re-
turned to the States. Next came the
inquiry, "How soon could she be
made ready?" "In about ten days,"
was the prompt response; so that
it was settled that this already fa-
mous cutter should assume the 'hon-
orable responsibility of effecting the
rescue. She had saved General
Greely's life her good fortune
might not forsake her now ! She ar-
rived at Seattle, Washington, on
November 6th, and so rapidly were
the preparations for her winter trip
pushed forward that by the 2Qth
of that month she was fully equip-
ped and provisioned for one year,
carrying in addition 12,000 rations
as relief stores, and sailed once more
for the North, under the command
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 26 March 2014, 08:25:31
WOW - excitement in store!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 26 March 2014, 09:56:03
The 1896 voyage begins. The log keeper appears to be consistently reversing the dry and wet temperatures or there is something wrong with the wet bulb thermometer.

(Remember that they lost their wet bulb thermometer during a storm on the way south in the 1995 voyage. This is a new one.)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 26 March 2014, 13:14:48
TWYS, because I wish I could believe the new thermometer is calibrated and working correctly. :(
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 30 March 2014, 05:08:49
(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-060.gif)  lollia paolina passes the 70,000 mark!  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-061.gif)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 30 March 2014, 12:35:51
Way to go, Captain Sylvia!   8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 31 March 2014, 08:46:22
I would like to know how much detail Kevin would like about the ice conditions?

For example, on this page http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol077/vol077_136_1.jpg ice is mentioned in every watch. Does he want to know the exact times, locations and conditions (if recorded) each time the ice is mentioned on a page?

It seems like it was particularly icy this summer (1886)

Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 31 March 2014, 10:08:33
I believe he wants the statement every mention.  Here is a preserved conversation.  (Moderators keep their own archives :) )

How much detail on sea ice to include

This brings up the perennially unanswered question of what the science team really wants from this type of information. I can understand them wanting reports on the ice as they sail in open waters from place to place. This can give some idea of the extent of ice in that vicinity. But are the very local conditions of a ship "beset" in ice as the floe drifts slowly NW of Herald Is. of any real interest, other than the threat it holds for the Jeannette and crew? In other words, this is possibly interesting to historians but perhaps not so much to the scientists?

Quotes from Kevin's email
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Any information about sea ice is of serious interest for several reasons. We are working on an Arctic sea ice reanalysis for the period 1850-on based on the Applied Physic Lab's latest sea ice forecast model. It will be forced by specific large-scale atmospheric fields (I.e. barometric pressure) from global reanalyses. A crucial issue is - will the result have an appropriate characterization of the real Arctic sea ice environment - especially thickness? Since we do not have anything remotely close to a comprehensive long period sea ice data set like ICOADS we must build one that is good enough for validation/verification if the experiment is to be useful. And here is an essential question we hope to answer: why is the Arctic sea ice disappearing at a rate 2 or more times faster than the latest climate models project? Sea ice thickness and the rate of ice advection out of the Arctic via the trans-polar drift are also tied together. We know that Nansen's ship the Fram drifted at a rate far slower than what is typical today (suggesting much less sea ice export back in the day). Which brings us back to JEANNETTE - certainly one of the very few instrumented drifters available from which we may glean the necessary data from presumably earlier than current changes commenced. Or is there more decadal-scale variability here than anticipated?

Quotes from Randi's email
Quote
Thanks for responding. I should have explained the context. (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3338.msg59301#msg59301)  We understand the need for the information on ice. That is not a problem. The question is the amount of detail for Jeannette given that it is stuck in the ice on a long term basis. Clewi has indicated that s/he is quite willing to continue to transcribe all mention of ice (the issue arose mainly because Clewi is having trouble with the current log keeper?s writing). Do you want daily details like the following:

15.1.1880:
At noon the ice cracked within 20 feet of the starboard Side of the Ship, causing her to move one eighth of a point in azimuth. The opening increased to ~ feet in width, and extended around the bow and ahead of the ship in one direction, and in the other around the stem at the distance of 100 yards. By 3 PM the opening was eight feet in width on the Starboard Side, with a crack on the port side indicating an opening which occured at 6 PM. General direction of ice movement to East and South.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_014_1.jpg

16.1.1880:
At 2.30 the opening in the floe on the Starboard Side of the ship began to close, the newly formed ice breaking with ~, and the usual grinding noise as the two floe edges came together. No movement to the ship except repeated jars and tremblings as the pressure caught her under water body. At 3 the ice was again in motion; and frequent shocks were experienced during the forenoon.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jeannette/vol002of004/vol002_015_1.jpg

Or, would something like ?Beset in the Pack to the NW of Herald Island? on the Sea Ice tab be sufficient?

Thanks again,
Randi

Quotes from Kevin's email
Quote
Hi Randi -

It is very hard to say - though ultimately none of the detail is wasted effort - even here we see remarks about the ice being in motion and the direction. This can tell us a lot about the regional  state of the ice in light of now fairly well understood physics. There will be some entries I imagine that describe the thickness of the upturned blocks of ice during ridging events or the formation of melt pools etc. The color of the ice tells us something about its age... I guess I'd offer that we're excited to get as much detail as possible, but if it isn't fun for a person then anything from 'there is ice here' on would be fine. Be assured though that there is so little information accessible now that every bit is interesting.

Kevin
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 31 March 2014, 10:27:05
Thanks Janet. I wonder if time of day is important? Sometimes the time is given within the watch paragraph but other times I would have to transcribe the watch time period e.g. mid - 4 AM. Is this necessary?

As you know, I don't want to waste time transcribing unnecessary information.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 31 March 2014, 13:38:49
I have asked Kevin and Philip.
For now, based on past responses, I would say include the time if it is part of the ice comment but don't worry about it if it is separated by other text. Stick with TWYS ;)

(I requested an independent field for time/watch a long time ago ;))
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 31 March 2014, 13:52:59
Thanks, Randi. We should be heading south from Point Barrow shortly anyway. 1897 is when we will really get into the ice.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 31 March 2014, 17:04:43
gastcra (Craig) passes the 30,000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 02 April 2014, 10:01:32
It got pretty windy at 10 PM

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol077/vol077_186_0.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 02 April 2014, 10:15:04
 :o :o :o :o

Chop the masts loose!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 02 April 2014, 10:17:42
 ;D


What would you do with this one? http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol077/vol077_188_0.jpg

I think he must have shifted the whole AM WRs down 1 hour.  What should I do with the line after 12 AM?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 02 April 2014, 10:31:17
"What would you do with this one?"

I would/will ask Philip ;D




Quote from: Philip
Hmm, if there is a good way of handling this, I don't know what it is.

But we have to do something, so I'm going for TWYS - put the entries in as written, the line after 12 has no hour, so put it in with no hour.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 08 April 2014, 14:51:56
60% complete - woo hooooo! Go team &c &c  :)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 08 April 2014, 16:18:25
The percentage moves along slowly so that we are all the more grateful for our accomplishments.

Regarding Philip's instructions, I will keep this in mind for the next time it happens. I didn't transcribe the line without an hour but I would have difficulty finding the page. Perhaps you can give me the date when you come across it, Jil?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 08 April 2014, 17:05:59
Craig, I'll try to remember when I get there.

The percentage is moving much faster than when I first started on Bear so I'm impressed!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 11 April 2014, 10:21:35
Things are getting badl for the steamer Navarch

Quote
Sent Exec. Officer Lieut. Jarvis to the whaling vessels. Upon his return Lt. Jarvis reported that the masters of the whaling vessels thought the situation of the "Navarch" critical and thought that the captain of the "Navarch" should at least send his wife over the ice where the "Bear" made to off where the vessel was fast.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol078/vol078_109_1.jpg

Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 12 April 2014, 22:10:09
Here's what happened to the Navarch

http: //alaskashipwreck.com/shipwrecks-by-area/northern-alaska-shipwrecks-2/northern-alaska-shipwrecks-n/
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 12 April 2014, 22:38:40
Sorry, Craig.  I inserted a space to deactivate that link because they are infected - I picked up something that AVG blocked for me before I ever connected entirely.  Sorry.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 12 April 2014, 23:15:11
Hi janet.
Checked out the site with a few scanners.
Listed as infected by AGV
Listed as clear by Trend Micro, Norton and Google.

Run with that info as you wish but to err on the side of safety is always better.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 12 April 2014, 23:43:48
I'm not surprised - neither you nor anyone else here would have put the link in if their anti-virus had rejected it.  I'm playing safe, but not panicking.  Anyone that wants to copy/paste the link to use may be just fine, their choice.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 April 2014, 05:51:36
jil passes the 15,000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 15 April 2014, 15:52:51
Hanibal94 passes the 5000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 April 2014, 03:23:25
Hanibal94 passes the 6000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 17 April 2014, 07:46:19
I just noticed there have been subtle changes to the Bear log format which resulted in me sometimes recording the wrong Lat /long

Notice on the voyage to Seattle Nov 3, 1897 the "position at 8 AM" is on the top
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol078/vol078_194_0.jpg

In this log book Dec, 3 1897, it is the "Position at Noon" on the top. Position at 8 AM is underneath.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol079/vol079_018_0.jpg

I didn't notice the switch and I have probably been picking up 8 AM for noon.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 April 2014, 07:58:04
I've informed Philip.  Thanks for telling us, Craig.

I just noticed there have been subtle changes to the Bear log format which resulted in me sometimes recording the wrong Lat /long

Notice on the voyage to Seattle Nov 3, 1897 the "position at 8 AM" is on the top
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol078/vol078_194_0.jpg

In this log book Dec, 3 1897, it is the "Position at Noon" on the top. Position at 8 AM is underneath.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol079/vol079_018_0.jpg

I didn't notice the switch and I have probably been picking up 8 AM for noon.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 17 April 2014, 08:04:19
There could also have been earlier switches of this kind I didn't notice. When I don't expect any changes I tend not to reread the fine print  :-[
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 April 2014, 08:32:28
30 days bread and water with full rations every fourth day!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 17 April 2014, 08:37:10
thanks for the every-fourth-day  ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 19 April 2014, 07:33:47
They are still recording wet bulb temperatures with the air temperatures well below freezing.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol079/vol079_084_0.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 19 April 2014, 13:00:32
Quote
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080129124249AAhJ1mu
Is the wet bulb temperature exists below freezing point ?

Best Answer
Yes the wet bulb temperature exists below freezing. However, when the web bulb is below 32 degrees F or 0 degrees C. the humidity is with respect to ice rather than water. In that case, the relative humidity is figured just about the same but there is a slight difference.

Observer manuals tell the observer that when the wet bulb is below freezing and the wick has not frozen (they often will freeze without any effort on your part) and is still liquid to touch the wick to a piece of ice or metal to try to induce the wick to freeze then continue to ventilate the wet bulb until the lowest reading is obtained. Then use that temperature for wet bulb.

In forecasting, one of the "tricks" in forecasting precipitation type is to take a wet bulb cross section of the atmosphere where you expect to see a warm layer and see if the wet bulb temperatures remain below freezing. If they do, you will either end up with snow, snow pellets or sleet. If they go above freezing for a reasonable depth (varies from place to place) you will either end up with sleet or freezing rain. It is one of the ways to try to narrow which precipitation type you may get.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 19 April 2014, 13:45:13
Good find, Janet. Very interesting.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: camiller on 19 April 2014, 14:20:32
 8)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 20 April 2014, 08:24:58
Am I reading this right? "Enraged bull"? The Bear is in Dutch Harbor, Alaska.

Quote
The master of the Am. Brig Courtney Ford was knocked from the wharf overboard by an enraged bull. He was picked up by the dingy of the "Bear" and sent on board a steam launch to be taken on board his own vessel.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol079/vol079_154_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 20 April 2014, 08:35:55
That's what it looks like - an enraged hull doesn't seem too likely ;D

Perhaps destined for a ranch or dairy farm?
Bull moose?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 20 April 2014, 09:12:01
Yeah, I was trying to imagine and enraged hull but nothing came to mind ;D

Perhaps a reindeer, although I don't remember seeing mention of a reindeer refuge station and Dutch Harbor.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 20 April 2014, 17:48:17
Here is the contents of a letter inserted in the log. The Bear had left a rescue team on shore at Cape Vancouver in December 1897. My understanding was that the purpose of the voyage was to help some whaling ships stuck in the ice in the Arctic Ocean the previous fall. The Bear could only get as far north as Cape Vancouver because of thick sea ice so it has been in Dutch Harbor and Unalaska since December. This new log begins in June 1898.

Quote
U.S Rev. Steamer Bear
Norton Sound, Alaska
June 23, 1898

Honorable Secretary of the Treasury,
Washington D.C.
Sir:-
The Bear left Unalaska June 15th for St. Lawrence Island. Pleasant weather was experienced during the passage and the Island was reached at 12:30 AM June 19th. After a stop of a couple of hours, a start was made for Indian Point. In an hour heavy ice was met and thick fog settled down, and it was seemed advisable to return to the Island and await clearing weather. At 9:00 AM of the 20th, the fog having lifted, another start was made for Indian Point, but after steaming through 20 miles of ice, it became so thickly packed as to prevent making further progress. The vessel was finally headed back for St. Lawrence, Island, which was reached at 5:30 PM. There was some clear water to the northward and eastward, I concluded to start for Kings Island. In a couple of hours ice was again met with. Until 9:00 AM of the 21st was spent in working towards Kings Island. At that time the ice ahead was closely packed, but to the northward it appeared more open, the vessel was headed that way. At 11:00 AM more open water was reached, and St. Lawrence Bay, Siberia, being the next nearest port, the vessel was head for it. The village at North Head, St. Lawrence Bay, was reached at 10:00 AM. 22nd, but the Bay was solidly frozen, making it impossible to reach the reindeer station. I sent a messenger to inform the Superintendent of the Station of the arrival of the Bear, and that she would remain at North Head until night, in order that he might communicate with us. During the evening, the Superintendent, Mr. Kelly, came over, and reported there would be about 800 reindeer to transport to the Alaska shore. At 2:30 AM., the 23 inst., the vessel was got underway for Cape Prince of Wales, where she arrived in the afternoon of the same day. Upon landing I found that Mr. Lepp, who went to Point Barrow with Lieut. Jarvis, had returned. I was greatly pleased to learn that the Overland Expedition had been entirely successful, the deer having arrived in good order, and no accidents had happened to any of the Expedition. I forward herewith the copies of the reports I received from Lieut. Jarvis. Lieut. Jarvis was obliged to buy a great many articles for the Expedition and hire a number of natives for various necessary purposes. As he could not carry with him enough articles to pay for services, etc. , I told him to give written orders, to be presented on board the Bear, which I would make good. I have already given out a quantity of flour and sugar. Other articles, such as cloth, tobacco, powder, soup, etc. are not in the ship?s stores. I shall purchase them in St. Michael and deliver on my return next week.

At St Michael, the Alaska Commercial Company supplies the party; at Point Hope, H. Liebes & CO. furnishes the supplies. Vouchers will be made out and forwarded to the Department.
Lieut. Jarvis mentions the necessity of a supply of clothing and bedding for 100 men. I am in doubt as to my authority to purchase them, but it is a case of clear necessity. I shall if possible obtain them at the lowest price. The matter of compensating Mr. Lapp cannot be settled until have seen Lieut. Jarvis. Mr. Lapp deserves the greatest praise and substantial financial reward for what he did for the Expedition. He left his wife and children, the only white people in that part of the country, alone in an Indian village, and went with Lieut Jarvis. On what looked very much like a forlorn hope. Charlie Artisarleek, of Point Rodney, also left his family, took all his deer and went with Lieut. Jarvis. This forenoon I found his wife and child in a camp of natives on Sledge Island, where they were hunting seals. Mrs. Artisarleek said they had nearly starved since her husband left as seal and fish, their principal food, had been very scarce. I gave her ample provision to last three months, and promised to bring her husband back from Point Barrow. I expect to reach St. Michael tomorrow. As soon as supplies can be obtained I shall start on my way north. I do not anticipate being able to reach Point Hope before the 15th of July, as there enormous quantities of ice both in Behring Sea and above the Straits in the Arctic Ocean.

Respectfully yours,
F. Tuttle,
Capt. R.C.S., Commanding.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol080/vol080_003_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol080/vol080_004_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol080/vol080_005_1.jpg




Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 20 April 2014, 17:55:43
The Bear does life-saving services indeed.  How distressing.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 23 April 2014, 07:16:42
The Bear is at Cape Smyth and is taking on board shipwrecked men (who wintered there) for passage to Seattle. Too many of them for me to mention.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol080/vol080_066_1.jpg  July 30, 1898

Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 24 April 2014, 08:46:27
A number of ungrateful  men from a shipwrecked whaler refuse duty. The Bear ran out of double irons to punish them all.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol080/vol080_097_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: lollia paolina on 24 April 2014, 11:30:25
A new Volume of Bear logs and the surprise is that weather records are more than non standard :)

They look like that:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol094/vol094_002_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol094/vol094_003_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol094/vol094_003_1.jpg

Also, it seems no Location is being reported.

The volume should cover the period from July 8th, 1906, to February 2nd, 1907

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol094/vol094_001_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol094/vol094_001_1.jpg

Please, I need instructions on how you would like those weather records to be trancribed :)
Thank you :)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 April 2014, 14:49:37
This is how I think the page http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol094/vol094_002_1.jpg should be transcribed. However, to be sure, I will ask Philip and Kevin to take a look.



Since no location is given, no location should be entered.

Date = 08/07/'06

Hour  |Wind Dir  |Force  |Bar Height |Ther Attached |Dry  |Wet  |Water  |Weather Code |Cloud Code |Clear Sky |
4am0029.90635852Clear
8am0029.92637664Clear
midSW130645755Cloudy



Like Janet just said ;)
 ;D
Like Janet just said ;) ;)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 24 April 2014, 15:23:48
We need Kevin or someone to confirm the Bear's home port for 1906, because comments like the following seem to indicate she spent that whole voyage in dock there being rebuilt.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol094/vol094_071_0.jpg

I'm guessing her captain kept his own log out of good habit and had pulled a blank-page book for it because the full layout of a printed log would have been a bit of a waste of time, because she was never going anywhere.  If I were transcribing that logbook, I'd follow the OW policy for any free-form log and let entering the location for the future editor.  TWYS says missing information stays missing.

I'm assuming Randi already wrote Kevin and Philip for advise, and I'd also wait for their response.  :)



what Randi said - mods are clearly crossing wires here.  ;)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 24 April 2014, 18:08:29
Wasn't Captain F. Tuttle, 'Hawkeyes' childhood made up friend.?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 24 April 2014, 18:58:27
Captain Jonathan S. Tuttle
http://www.funtrivia.com/en/subtopics/M*A*S*H---Tuttle-78732.html

Funny is our Captain F. Tuttle was his ancestor? :o :D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 25 April 2014, 08:12:12

Regarding the format of the log, the Lat/Long rows are in correct chronological order for this voyage -- 8 AM, Noon, 8 PM
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 26 April 2014, 08:46:10
gastcra (Craig) passes the 40,000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 27 April 2014, 08:58:35
I can no longer keep up my previous "torrid" pace when the logs had only wind, weather codes and cloud data in odd hours and I could use autohotkey to great advantage  :(

In the 1901 logs they have mostly dropped the odd hour entries and there are only 6 entries per day when in port.

The up side is that one can complete the pages faster.



Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: lollia paolina on 27 April 2014, 12:31:06
I am posting this picture in this thread as it comes from Bear Logs February 1907, but it could belong to OW art thread as well :)

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol094/vol094_074_0.jpg

:) :)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: camiller on 27 April 2014, 12:40:50
 8) 8)

I wonder why there are check marks next to W-Z?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 27 April 2014, 14:28:18
 8) and actually rather pretty!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 27 April 2014, 14:30:02
Lovely!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 27 April 2014, 18:26:35
I can no longer keep up my previous "torrid" pace when the logs had only wind, weather codes and cloud data in odd hours and I could use autohotkey to great advantage  :(

In the 1901 logs they have mostly dropped the odd hour entries and there are only 6 entries per day when in port.

The up side is that one can complete the pages faster.

What function(s) did you assign to the hotkey?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 27 April 2014, 20:47:38
Type hour, wind direction, wind force then press Alt 1 (hotkey) to tab over and insert quotes in weather and cloud, then type % cloud. This would take about 6 to 8 key strokes on a good day.

Nice flags, Sylvia  8)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 28 April 2014, 05:19:50
Very neat flags!

I just checked my progress on the Bear: The last page I did was on April 17th, and it was October 12th 1894.
Now, the next page I get is July 20th 1895 (Jil's working on her at the time of me writing this, so it may have changed).

And also, while updating my guestimations yesterday, I noticed something nice:
In the past, the Bear's estimated total in WR would go up every time I did an update - but this time, the value went DOWN!
In other words, it appears she isn't as large as we thought - most likely because Craig and Silvia are now doing pages that have less than 24 WR / day.
But since that means one can complete the pages faster (and it has motivated me to get through the 24 WR pages I'm still stuck with), who am I to complain?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 28 April 2014, 07:22:24
Good observation, Hanibal. And we are almost 2/3 finished so dividing by the 2-digit percentage is getting more accurate.

The log books usually go from about April to November when sailing up north and then from November to April when in port in Seattle or San Francisco. They are not in order so sometimes you will get two log books in port or, in this case, two at sea.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 30 April 2014, 08:25:45
I didn't record the first reference to this about a month prior. They installed electric lights on the Bear.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol084/vol084_066_1.jpg  Feb. 21/1902

Quote
Chief Engr J. A. Doyle examining electric light plant.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 30 April 2014, 14:01:32
Hanibal94 passes the 7000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 30 April 2014, 14:36:54
Hanibal94 passes the 8000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 30 April 2014, 17:47:01
That is fast  8) 8) 8) 1000 WRs in about 30 minutes! 
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 30 April 2014, 17:48:09
Actually, it was more like 30 hours. Randi just took forever to notice.
Even I can't transcribe that fast (but I sure wish I could!).
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 01 May 2014, 08:07:55
It seems that the log keeper is putting the sea temperature in the wet bulb column. Same for previous day.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol087/vol087_017_0.jpg

but corrected the following day http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol087/vol087_018_0.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 01 May 2014, 08:16:11
I see what you mean.
TWYS is probably still best (thinking about people who don't visit the forum), but I will notify Philip.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 01 May 2014, 08:34:01
TWYS it is.   ;)

Quote
about 11:50 W. Monahan, bugler, was accidentally shot in back by Gunner Crowley who, while handling a 38 cal Colt revolver, found in effects of Boatswain Thurber, which he thought unloaded but which proved to contain one cartridge, accidentally discharged the laod through storage bulkhead hitting Monahan who was sitting on bench in berth deck. Sent on shore and procured services of Dr. Murret who treated Asst. Eng. Snyder, C. Bergeson, Boy Leavitt and removed bullet from Monahan

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol087/vol087_020_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 01 May 2014, 08:38:24
Ex-gunner Crowley, I hope! :o :o :o
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 01 May 2014, 10:10:46
Looks like they have him doing the logs now

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol087/vol087_029_1.jpg














Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 01 May 2014, 11:48:47
 ???
Left vessel on 30 days leave :-\
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 03 May 2014, 16:00:03
Dutch Harbor, Alaska  Aug. 6, 1903

Quote
The Pacific squadron under command of Admiral Glass, USN, composed of Flag ship "New York", USS "Bennington", USS "Marblehead", USS "Concord" and USS "Fortune" left harbor.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 04 May 2014, 14:44:28
smith7748
Welcome back !
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 05 May 2014, 14:14:59
Hanibal94 passes the 9000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 06 May 2014, 09:53:41
This may have been noted earlier in this thread, but there is an overlap between this log book, which ends on Dec. 6, 1903

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol088/vol088_201_1.jpg

and this one, which begins on Dec. 1, 1903

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol089/vol089_003_1.jpg

I transcribed Dec. 1 but I will skip over Dec 2-6 because they are identical to the ones already transcribed.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 06 May 2014, 10:30:08
Seems reasonable.

Not quite identical though. The vol089 log keeper seems to have added 1pm and 3 pm readings for 1 Dec ???
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 06 May 2014, 10:47:06
Yes, I am seeing (and transcribing) those in subsequent pages. A minor loss for the few pages I skipped.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 06 May 2014, 13:59:56
Hanibal94 passes the 10,000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 06 May 2014, 17:13:54
Way to go, Hanibal!   8)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 07 May 2014, 02:14:47
Eh, it's nothing really. You've done four times as much as I have, Craig, and Silvia has even more - more than anyone in OW history has done on a single ship, EVER.
I'm just a guy who did some stuff on the Bear a long time ago, but then got distracted by other ships, and has now returned to make up for it by finishing what he started and thus relieve his feelings of guilt.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 07 May 2014, 03:16:38
You are a dedicated, and much appreciated, OW transcriber and forum member!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 07 May 2014, 05:38:09
You are a dedicated, and much appreciated, OW transcriber and forum member!

Much Appreciated? Me? Really?
That's not how I feel - I'm shy, solitary and have been battling mood swings and low self-esteem for years.
To me, Old Weather - and the Zooniverse in general - is the one place where I can actually do something useful, something to make a positive difference, something that's worth it.
Guess that's why I invest so much time in it.

But I also have feelings of guilt because there are several times where I started a Zooniverse project, but then went and started another without finishing the first one. This is my list:

1. Old Weather - Bear
2. Cell Slider
3. Old Weather - Unalga I
4. Notes from Nature - Herbarium
5. Notes from Nature - Ornithological

So for quite some time, I've been trying to make up for my past mistakes by focusing on what I've already started, and only what I've already started, but it hasn't been easy because some of the stuff I have done isn't OW.
So if I do that stuff, I feel guilty about not doing OW because I'm one of the few power transcribers here, but if I don't do it I feel guilty about abandoning it.
The only solution I can think of is to keep slogging forward, and focus on one thing at a time if possible.
At least I have my recent victory on the Pioneer to serve as inspiration. It feels great having that one off my back after over a year.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 07 May 2014, 06:44:17
I think in projects like this it is the cumulative effort that is important, Hanibal. So even if you jump around a bit and don't finish a ship it doesn't really make any difference to the total effort. However, I do think the science team will have results more rapidly if our total resources are not dispersed too much. But I haven't heard Philip or Kevin complain about that so I guess they are not overly concerned. In any case, we are making very good progress on the Bear so we should all be pleased.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 07 May 2014, 07:55:36
Good point, Craig. But it isn't the lack of results that makes me feel guilty - it's the fact that I'm not staying loyal to one thing. If I jump around like I used to, it feels like I'm breaking personal promises. And the only way to fix this is by sticking with what I've started until I've gone as far as I can go on it.

So yeah, right now I'm doing the Bear because she's at the top of my list. After that, I'll do Unalga, and then see about those Notes from Nature things.
Cell Slider, however, is too big and monotonous for single-minded effort, so I'll just do a bit each day - maybe 200 classifications. That should move things along.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 07 May 2014, 08:35:46
...
To me, Old Weather - and the Zooniverse in general - is the one place where I can actually do something useful, something to make a positive difference, something that's worth it.
Guess that's why I invest so much time in it.
...
I couldn't have put that better myself (except maybe to include BOINC projects ;))

With the notable exception of the description of "power transcriber", most of the rest of your comments also apply to me. I am far better with things than with people - but my OW family is very dear to me.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 07 May 2014, 09:37:18
How about "powerfully thorough transcriber", Randi  ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 07 May 2014, 09:46:15
Inserted letter explaining the circumstances of a collision between the Bear and the American Schooner "Spokane"

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol091/vol091_002_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol091/vol091_003_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol091/vol091_004_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol091/vol091_005_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol091/vol091_006_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol091/vol091_007_0.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 07 May 2014, 09:46:47
How about "powerfully thorough transcriber", Randi  ;D
;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 07 May 2014, 12:09:25
A very interesting report - I'm glad it was inserted in the book.  Not a good day.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 11 May 2014, 09:04:40
Here's our progress since I began transcribing
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 12 May 2014, 07:47:44
The Bear was patrolling around Honolulu in the winter of 1905. Sugar appears to have been the main motivation for the US annexing Hawaii in 1898. Everywhere there was sugar there was either slavery or exploitation of labour and Hawaii was no exception (except for one missionary owner who deplored this practice - see the following http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_plantations_in_Hawaii)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 12 May 2014, 08:07:26
Except for Reverend Elias Bond, all too many of the missionary families - err, former missionary families - seem to have been all too happy to participate in the exploitation :P
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 14 May 2014, 16:21:59
70% complete - woooo hoooo!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 14 May 2014, 16:44:51
We're real punishment for Bears  ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 14 May 2014, 16:53:20
Bring out the Bear Cavalry! ;D 8)

(http://www.ru.mdz-moskau.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/bear-cavalry.jpg)

P.S. Congrats to Captain Silvia on passing a whopping 80.000 transcriptions done!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 May 2014, 16:53:55
(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-060.gif)  lollia paolina passes the 80,000 mark!  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-061.gif)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 14 May 2014, 19:14:38
Spectacular!!!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 15 May 2014, 05:05:06
26th July 1897 - List of arms and ammunition landed at Reindeer Station, St. Lawrence Bay, Siberia.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol078/vol078_092_1.jpg

(Marked U.S. Cutter "Bear". Port Townsend & received at Seattle)
15 boxes (2000) cartridges 44 cal.
30 boxes (1000) cartridges 45-70
10 boxes (1000) cartridges 45-60
1 box (25 sets) reloading tools
2 boxes (not marked)
6 boxes carbines
4 boxes rifles
Marked Reindeer trade. Rec'd on board at Port Clarence.
5 boxes (2000) cartridges (44 cal.)
3 boxes (2000) cartridges (38 cal.)
3 boxes (1000) cartridges (45-70)
4 boxes (1000) cartridges (40-65)
1 box (1000) cartridges (45-75)
3 boxes reloading tools
6 boxes carbines
1 box rifles - Winchester
1 box shot
1 box various articles
2 boxes blank cartridges (1 - metallic shells)
1 box Hotchkiss rifles.

[No sign of the Bear cavalry  :)]
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 15 May 2014, 07:21:14
Could they be trading arms to the natives for reindeer.  ???
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 15 May 2014, 07:26:18
(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-060.gif)  lollia paolina passes the 80,000 mark!  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-061.gif)

Great progress, Sylvia!   What year are you doing now?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 17 May 2014, 03:42:40
Things are getting badl for the steamer Navarch

Quote
Sent Exec. Officer Lieut. Jarvis to the whaling vessels. Upon his return Lt. Jarvis reported that the masters of the whaling vessels thought the situation of the "Navarch" critical and thought that the captain of the "Navarch" should at least send his wife over the ice where the "Bear" made to off where the vessel was fast.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol078/vol078_109_1.jpg
The logbook of the Navarch for 1897 is on line (https://archive.org/details/logbookofnavarch00nava)  8)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 May 2014, 03:51:46
 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 17 May 2014, 06:58:53
Can you make out what is written on the last page (October 14th)?

"One glade left the ship with 7 sacks of flour. 12 glade arrived at 4 PM"   ???
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 May 2014, 08:43:15
This 14 Oct: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol078/vol078_174_1.jpg or another one?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 17 May 2014, 08:47:46
Sorry, Randi, I was referring to the Navarch log book the Jil found.

I just got to the non-standard Bear logs that Sylvia mentioned on April 24.

The ship could be around Seattle because the temperatures haven't been much above 70 in July. Or it could even be farther north because we used to occasionally get into the 80s in Vancouver.

If fact, having finished the month of July I am convinced that the Bear must be up north, perhaps at Unalaska. The highs are in the high 50s or low 60s in early August.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 May 2014, 09:24:38
This page: https://archive.org/stream/logbookofnavarch00nava#page/46/mode/2up ?

Looking at the S in Ship, I think it might be an S rather than a G, but I'm afraid that that doesn't help much.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 17 May 2014, 11:05:55
Perhaps it could be a variant on sledge but it doesn't look much like it.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 18 May 2014, 08:15:37
Philip should perhaps be warned that the 1906 Bear logs do not cover the daytime hours 8 AM to 8 PM for some strange reason. By typing only the ending time of the watch this will not be apparent. This one is typical:

Mid to 4 AM
4 AM to 8 AM
8 PM to Mid

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol094/vol094_025_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 May 2014, 08:21:32
Done ;)



Philip says thanks :)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 18 May 2014, 10:40:50
So it seems the Bear is near San Francisco - it may be Oakland from another indirect reference I saw.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol094/vol094_037_0.jpg

It was a very cool summer for that latitude!  (the year of the San Francisco earthquake).
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 May 2014, 14:19:55
jil passes the 20,000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 18 May 2014, 14:21:50
San Francisco's climate makes everyone else at that latitude jealous.  It comes from being surrounded on three sides by water due to their enormous natural harbor and getting 95% of their incoming weather over the Pacific.  Those weather readings are just little on the cool side of normal.

http://www.weather.com/weather/wxclimatology/monthly/graph/USCA0987
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 18 May 2014, 14:47:31
So true, Janet. I was there four years ago in the summer, and it was like this:

San Francisco: Hey, it's pretty nice here. Not too hot, not too cold - just right, if a little windy.
Everywhere else in California: AAAAAAHHH! HOT HOT HOT! HEADACHES AND THIRST! HELP!!

Okay, maybe I overdid it a bit, but that's how I remember it.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 18 May 2014, 17:42:18
An aunt of mine lived there for some 30 years, and we were all jealous of her climate and just as glad, thank you, to stay away from the earthquakes.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 19 May 2014, 05:56:36
29th Aug 1897 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol078/vol078_128_1.jpg

Quote
Commanding officer received a petition from the North American Transportation and Trading Co. and the Alaska Commercial Co. requesting that the "Bear" remain at this port for several days, the companies apprehending trouble from the passengers on board their vessels.

They are at St. Michaels, Alaska so something to do with Klondike Gold Rush?

Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 19 May 2014, 06:27:29
Gold fever spreading to the crew?
On 30th August J.J. Caffrey, Coal Passer, was absent without leave, on 31st declared a deserter.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol078/vol078_130_1.jpg

On 1st Sept - Found N. Von Galen, boy, attempting to desert the ship. taking with him a kyak and various articles of clothing belonging to others.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol078/vol078_131_1.jpg

Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 19 May 2014, 06:34:33
I remember seeing these events and wondering what was going on, Jil. Gold fever is a good possibility.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 19 May 2014, 07:37:05
The weather reports dwindle to nothing. Skipped from Nov. 24, 1906 to Feb. 7, 1907 - with multiple days per page but no weather. This whole log book is pretty useless for weather data.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol094/vol094_073_0.jpg

The following log book goes from Jan to Dec 1906, repeating the last six months of the previous one. This one is in standard format with 6 WRs per day. The previous log book should probably be ignored.

My mistake - I looked ahead and this log book only goes to July 7 1906 so there is no duplication. But the number of weather reports declines from 6 to only 2 or 3, as in the July 06-Feb 07 book.

Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 19 May 2014, 08:22:44
Wow... This is the weirdest ship I've seen since my days on the Yukon.
It's like the crew just stopped caring at all after 1898.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 19 May 2014, 08:27:14
The Bear doesn't go anywhere in 1906 so there's nothing interesting to report. Except perhaps for the earthquake, which is coming up in April, I think.

And there is another more complete source for San Francisco area weather data for this period.
http://ggweather.com/sf/sites.html

At least it doesn't take very long to transcribe it.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: lollia paolina on 19 May 2014, 08:59:51
Bear logs 1906:

San Francisco Earthquake:

Original log:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol095/vol095_115_1.jpg


Copy:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol096/vol096_114_1.jpg

:)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 19 May 2014, 09:16:19
New info came in that the original log keeper didn't hear of.  Interesting.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 19 May 2014, 09:58:06
Thanks Sylvia. Now I have nothing to look forward to in the 1906 logs.  ;D :P
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 20 May 2014, 09:50:21
Hanibal94
Welcome back ! ! !
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 20 May 2014, 10:20:03
It took us a long time to get another 1% without you, Hanibal. I'm glad you're back.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 20 May 2014, 11:11:32
Thanks! I must admit, I am very much looking forward to getting past the 24 WR / day pages I'm dealing with now and getting into the ones that are quicker to do, the ones Craig and Silvia are in the middle of. Only got 1 year of log time left until then.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 20 May 2014, 11:37:54
1 year of log time, I guess? ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 20 May 2014, 13:54:10
Oh, right! Yes, I did mean one year of log time - Oct 1897 to Sep 1898.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 21 May 2014, 06:00:44
Not sure how helpful this is given the out-of-order logs, but I used URL editing to see how old the last logbook currently available is.
I got as far as this one - after that, it's nothing but error messages:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol106/vol106_001_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol106/vol106_001_1.jpg

Example weather page: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol106/vol106_020_0.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 21 May 2014, 06:52:28
The number of remaining WRs will be much lower than what we  project using the 71%-complete figure if the lower number of WRs per page continues. The 2006 logs are probably exceptional because the Bear was always in port but I have the impression that the 24-hourly logs won't come back. So completion is on the horizon  8)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 21 May 2014, 06:59:31
Yes, that certainly is true. Once the stream Jil and I are sharing hits the lower WR / day pages, it'll really get going. I just wanted to see where we would finish chronologically.

P.S. Don't you mean 1906, Craig? The Bear had been sunk for over 40 years by 2006.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 21 May 2014, 07:06:03
Zero WRs for the Bear in 2006 - very fast progress!  ;D ;D ;D

The 1906 earthquake seems to have had a big affect on one person:

All hands returned from S. Francisco. having been there to assist Federal authorities with the exception of S Echisba, 1st class boy, who made an effort to commit suicide, was turned over to U.S. Army Hospital Ambulance for treatment.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol095/vol095_119_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 21 May 2014, 08:10:21
Letter regarding affectation of part of Bear's crew to "to tow various barges and supplies to various camps on San Francisco Bay"

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol095/vol095_129_1.jpg

Following this transfer, there are no WR's until June 6, 1906. The main activity is transferring materials and supplies, including charts for Bering Sea and Arctic Ocean, to the Thetis.

Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 22 May 2014, 11:06:09
The scans for December 1897 are rather badly done - for example, the cloud codes are not visible on this page:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol079/vol079_022_0.jpg

I opened the corresponding events page in another window and put both windows side by side on my screen so I could transcribe the codes with the rest of the data.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 22 May 2014, 11:36:33
I remember those, Hanibal. There are only a few like that.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 22 May 2014, 14:33:40
Help from Matteo:
Page joining tool - for when the text you are trying to read is split over two pages (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3489.msg62862#msg62862)
 ;)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 22 May 2014, 14:37:18
Thanks. I'll keep that in mind in case I encounter more RATTs (Rare And Tricky Thingies).
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 23 May 2014, 21:47:19
Whew - I got a lot done today. My plan was just to finish up December 1897.
But then towards the end of that month, I noticed the pages were all 6 WR / day only.
So I peeked ahead via URL editing, and I was very surprised to discover that Jan - May 1898 almost always have the 6 WR pages.
This excited me so much after all these log years of 24 WR pages that I went ahead and did all of Jan - May 1898. It took me about 4 hours.
Not my personal best, but still a good day's work.

I'm shutting down for the night now. I finished a whole log book, it's 3 am right now, and I'm tired. Using music to keep oneself awake can only go so far.


An exhausted but proud Hanibal94
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 23 May 2014, 22:07:54
Unbelievable dedication there.  Sleep well and reward yourself tomorrow by having fun.  :)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 May 2014, 03:13:09
Hanibal94 passes the 15,000 mark!



We are proud of our exhausted Hanibal94
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Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 24 May 2014, 05:25:18
Thanks! I did indeed sleep well - except for a really weird dream involving snow, family, sledding, volcanoes and cartoon ponies (but no ships!).
Wonder what Freud would make of that one...

And yes, I will see about having fun. I have to go to some family thing this afternoon, but at least there will be cake.
After that, maybe I can stream some movies over the Internet. In Germany, downloading is illegal but streaming is not, which is great for young geeks like me.  8)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 24 May 2014, 07:20:33
Way to go, Hanibal. You pushed us up another percentage point!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 28 May 2014, 17:49:42
Today, I finished all the 19th century logs and jumped forward to July 1901.
I believe there are no more 24 WR pages left - which is very good news!

Plus, I have a double weekend because Thursday is a public holiday and I used a vacation day for Friday. Oh yeah!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 28 May 2014, 18:46:48
 ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 29 May 2014, 06:52:30
Are they still working on removing the copy of the Jan-May 1906  log, Randi?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 29 May 2014, 08:01:14
I assume so. It has to go through several people. I haven't had any updates.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 29 May 2014, 14:10:40
If they don't remove the duplicate before I get that far, I might just skip through it by hitting "I've finished with this page" lots of times.

I just got to the Oct 1901 - Apr 1902 log, which is very weird: Only 6 WR per day, consisting of just the barometer and temperature.
But I like that - this is gonna be much more fun than those 19th century 24 WR/day pages I was battling for ages!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 29 May 2014, 20:17:40
 ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 30 May 2014, 11:37:01
The Jan 1903 log book is in rather bad condition - the writing is rather faint some of the time, and just plain messy at other times.
This page is not only covered in scribbles, it's in such poor condition I can see the next weather page through it!

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol087/vol087_015_1.jpg

At least the low WR / day mean I will be done with this book VERY soon.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 30 May 2014, 11:43:23
 :P :P :P
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 30 May 2014, 13:55:11
Books like that make me extremely grateful that OW came along and got that book scanned.  Both paper and digital storage are fragile, but digital storage is much more easily backed up and duplicated.  Old age eats paper books, no question.  And our translations are preserving history at a clearly important point.

Be very grateful we are not coping with the RN's economy version of faded-ink-scans here.  ;)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 30 May 2014, 14:05:43
NOTE: If you find a page that is hard to read because of the scan, let us know via "Faulty scanned and duplicate pages" and we will try to get it rescanned.

(See http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3383.msg71925#msg71925 (What you now see in the link is the good page))
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 30 May 2014, 16:57:04
Thanks, but it's not that bad - at least not for the weather data. So far, I've been able to read even the faintest stuff.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 30 May 2014, 18:04:56
Word from NARA is, they are rehabbing the paper and/or scanning at different light wave lengths to achieve that legibility.  I'm thinking you can see the printed ink on the other side because some of the pencil strokes were exactly that faded and invisible on first scan.  Unlike the RN - and this NOT the RN's fault - NARA is owning and keeping these scans for publication on their own site.  They want the pictures to be archival quality, not the cheap jpeg pics we downsize them to for our interface to read.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 01 June 2014, 04:56:46
Hanibal94 passes the 20,000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 01 June 2014, 05:16:11
 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 02 June 2014, 06:10:19
Just for fun, I used URL editing to see how many logbooks are left in my stream and how large they are.
Here's what I got:

#90: Jan 1904 (where I am at the time of writing this)
#91: July - Dec 1904
#92: Jan - June 1905
#93: July - Dec 1905
#94: 8th July 1906 - 19th Feb 1907
#95: Jan - Dec 1906
#96: Jan - May 1906 (The copy that should be removed)
#97: Dec 1907 - June 1908
#98: July 1908 - Dec 1908 (The color code sheet at the beginning says it starts on Jan 1908, but this is wrong)
#99: Jan - June 1909
#100: July - Dec 1909
#101: Jan - June 1910
#102: July - Dec 1910
#103: Jan - June 1911
#104: July - Dec 1911
#105: Jan - June 1912
#106: July - Dec 1912

#94 and #97 overlap with other books as well, but they also have unique parts and should NOT be removed.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 02 June 2014, 06:49:40
It's nice to know where we're going, Hanibal. Thanks.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 03 June 2014, 04:04:17
75% complete! HECK YEAH!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 03 June 2014, 05:28:34
I haven't been looking at the Bear page lately so I didn't notice that Jil passed the 20,000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 June 2014, 07:24:58
Yep - on May 18'th - http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3096.msg88459#msg88459 ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 03 June 2014, 08:05:03
I looked for it but I didn't go back far enough. I shouldn't have doubted you, Randi  ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 June 2014, 08:07:29
I have missed a couple of milestones :-[
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 05 June 2014, 11:24:03
The logs for October 2nd - Dec 31st 1905 appear to be completely missing.

The note at the start of the batch claims they are there:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol093/vol093_001_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol093/vol093_001_1.jpg

But after doing October 1st 1905, I was taken straight to the next batch:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol094/vol094_001_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol094/vol094_001_1.jpg

And according to URL editing, Batch 93 has no more pages at all:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol093/vol093_097_1.jpg OK
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol093/vol093_098_1.jpg Error!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 05 June 2014, 13:54:23
I have an XL sheet from Gina in Scanning - 10 different sections of the Bear's logs were duplicates because the Archives chose to scan both rough and clean log books whenever the rough logs were available.  Volume 93 is one of these.  (There 9 such rough logs removed from our interface - Volume 94 which created a temporary duplicate problem is the only one of them that did NOT get blocked.)

Life is good and a potential transcription problem avoided.  Keep on transcribing in peace.  :)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 05 June 2014, 14:27:53
Volume 94 is partly duplicate - the later half of 1906 can be found elsewhere, but Jan 1st - Feb 19th 1907 are unique.
Besides, this is an unusual log with only 3 WR per day.
For example: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol094/vol094_005_0.jpg

So I have no trouble with doing the whole batch. Should be done by tomorrow  ;)

But what about Volume 96 ? That one's a duplicate of Volume 95. Will it be removed soon please?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 05 June 2014, 14:38:23
I asked last week, and I am still waiting for a response.

I would be willing to help click through Vol 96. That might be the simplest solution.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 05 June 2014, 14:52:49
I am having difficulty remembering which volume number the existing duplicate log has.  I also don't understand why you are getting 1907 logs in volume 93.  This is an extraction of what Gina put on her spreadsheet.  (blue lettering means Gina was informed these logs were blocked.)

Box or Volume #   From                    To               Loaded

Volume 1 of 2   03/17/1884   09/22/1884   Yes   
Volume 2 of 2   09/23/1884   11/26/1884   Partially    Images from Oct. 20 to Nov. 26 are not online.

Volume 70   10/01/1891   12/12/1891   Yes   The same pages are also in Volume 70A. Consider taking these images down and just using Volume 70A. Alternatively, you can keep these images online and delete the duplicate images (0002 to 0084) from Volume 70A.
Volume 70A   10/01/1891   12/12/1892   Yes   The volume contains images from Oct. 1 to Dec. 12, 1891, and also from Nov. 1, 1892 to Dec. 12, 1892. Thus, this volume duplicates the images from Volume 70. See the comment above.

Volume 75   04/21/1894   11/14/1894   Yes   Two versions of Volume 75 are online. This set must have been done during the Beta phase (you can see fingers holding down the logbook pages); here is a sample file name: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/USS%20Bear/Bear_1894/pics2%20012_0.jpg). Another version containing better images in high-resolution is also online (see the next entry).
Volume 75   04/21/1894   11/14/1894   Yes   Keep this version of Volume 75 and take down the images described in the above entry.
Volume 75A   10/01/1894   11/14/1894   Yes   Same material as Volume 75. Take these images down and use Volume 75.

Volume 81   05/05/1899   11/12/1899   NO   (no comment)

Volume 82   04/26/1900   11/24/1900   Yes   Rough log; use Volume 82A instead.
Volume 82A   04/26/1900   11/05/1900   Yes   Smooth log; use this volume instead of Volume 82.

Volume 83   07/14/1901   10/26/1901   Yes   Smooth log; use this volume instead of Volume 85.
Volume 85   07/14/1901   10/26/1901   Yes   Rough log; use Volume 83 instead.

Volume 86   04/27/1902   12/06/1902   Yes   Rough log; use Volumes 86A and 86B instead.
Volume 86A   04/27/1902   11/07/1902   Yes   Smooth log; use instead of Volume 86.
Volume 86B   11/08/1902   12/06/1902   Yes   Smooth log; use instead of Volume 86.

Volume 93   07/01/1905   12/31/1905   Partially   Images from Oct. 2 to Dec. 31, 1905 (beginning with image # _0098) are not online.

Volume 95    01/01/1906   07/07/1906   Yes   Rough log; use Volume 96 instead.
Volume 96   01/01/1906   05/04/1906   Yes   Smooth log; use this volume instead of Volume 95.

Volume 98    07/01/1908   12/31/1908   Yes   Smooth log; use this volume instead of Volume 98A.
Volume 98A   07/01/1908   01/01/1909   Yes   Rough log; use Volume 98 instead.

Volume 99   01/01/1909   06/30/1909   Yes   Smooth log; use this volume instead of Volume 99A.
Volume 99A   01/01/1909   06/30/1909   Yes   Rough log; use Volume 99 instead.

Volume 100   07/01/1909   12/31/1909   Yes   Smooth log; use this volume instead of Volume 100A.
Volume 100A   07/01/1909   12/31/1909   Yes   Rough log; use Volume 100 instead.

There are more for later years.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 05 June 2014, 14:58:38
Keep in mind that even if you can access a log page on line via its JPG, that does NOT necessarily mean that you get it when you are transcribing.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 05 June 2014, 15:07:48
I am having difficulty remembering which volume number the existing duplicate log has.  I also don't understand why you are getting 1907 logs in volume 93.

1. The duplicate is Volume Number 96.
2. I'm getting the 1907 logs in Volume 94, not 93.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 05 June 2014, 15:26:08
This is what she says about volumes 93 to 97:

Volume 93   07/01/1905   12/31/1905   Partially   Images from Oct. 2 to Dec. 31, 1905 (beginning with image # _0098) are not online.
Volume 94   07/08/1906   02/15/1907   Yes   Not a standard logbook format.
Volume 95    01/01/1906   07/07/1906   Yes   Rough log; use Volume 96 instead.
Volume 96   01/01/1906   05/04/1906   Yes   Smooth log; use this volume instead of Volume 95.
Volume 97   12/19/1907   06/30/1908   Yes   (no comment)

According to this, January and February 1907 were in journal form, not a standard log book - apparently common practice when in winter harbor or dry dock.  December 1907 is the start of the next standard logbook.  There are no logbooks for the months in between.  And they were indeed doing every volume or box of Bear logs in the archives.  Maybe she was in dry dock all year that year without even officers around to journal?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 05 June 2014, 15:29:13
With Silvia, the decision was made to use volume 95 rather than volume 96 because it is more complete.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 05 June 2014, 15:30:49
With Silvia, the decision was made to use volume 95 rather than volume 96 because it is more complete.

I believe that decision was made after Gina emailed us the spreadsheet.  I'll correct the comments in my copy.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 05 June 2014, 15:40:52
Quote
I believe that decision was made after Gina emailed us the spreadsheet.

Yes - based on new info ;)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 05 June 2014, 16:25:03
Help! I'm getting confused about how to proceed!
After doing Volume 94, should I do 95 or 96?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 05 June 2014, 16:28:18
I don't blame you ;)

Do Volume 95
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 06 June 2014, 08:55:04
OK, I have finished Volume 94 (sure was fast!) and have now started 95.
I think I will transcribe the events regarding the April 1906 earthquake myself. The handwriting in this log is actually quite easy to read, and it shouldn't be too hard to figure out which events are specific to the recovery efforts.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 06 June 2014, 09:07:09
 8)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 06 June 2014, 09:24:55
There's not really very much in that regard, Hanibal. They sent much of their crew to help out but we don't get many reports about it. The logs after the earthquake mainly concern the transfer of supplies and equipment from the Bear to another ship (the Thetis, if I remember correctly). The Bear goes nowhere for the rest of the year and it's down to 3 WRs per page (only covering part of the day).
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 06 June 2014, 11:41:39
Thanks for the tips, Craig. If Vol 95 only has 3 WR per day later on (I did all of January, which was 6 WR / day), I should be able to finish it tomorrow. Then I can skip through the duplicate log too.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 07 June 2014, 11:01:47
Hanibal94 passes the 25,000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 08 June 2014, 06:08:01
I have finished the earthquake section. I transcribed everything specific to the quake, and the names of other ships the Bear encountered, but I was too impatient to deal with the names of crew being transferred (I made sure to mention that there were transfers, though).

Am currently clicking my way through May 1906 - no WR or locations at all!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 08 June 2014, 07:37:38
Let me know when you get to volume 96 - I will click through as the third transcriber ;)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 08 June 2014, 08:20:56
I finally decided to do it, Randi. It only took me about 20 minutes. Thanks for the offer.

I am now at Dec. 19, 1907 in volume 97.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 08 June 2014, 11:42:13
Alright Craig! It's great to have you back.
And thanks for the offer, Randi, but I can manage. 20 mins is no big deal.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 08 June 2014, 14:05:09
I made it through the duplicate - and we have advanced by 2% in one day! Awesome!

Since Randi asked, here are the very first and very last pages that I encountered in my stream:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol096/vol096_001_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol096/vol096_131_1.jpg

However, I have bad news. While using URL editing to peak ahead, I discovered that there are pages with 24 complete WR per day:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol097/vol097_160_0.jpg

Oh well. At least there's only 6 WR when in port, and there's just 5 more years of logs left.
And with Craig back in the game, our output should increase a good bit.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 08 June 2014, 18:08:29
The Unalga now has 24 WRs even in port so the Bear will be a nice change.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 10 June 2014, 06:05:12
Hey, I just noticed something: According to Gina's spreadsheet, there is at least one log book for 1900:

Box or Volume #   From                    To               Loaded

Volume 82   04/26/1900   11/24/1900   Yes   Rough log; use Volume 82A instead.
Volume 82A   04/26/1900   11/05/1900   Yes   Smooth log; use this volume instead of Volume 82.

Sure enough, I was able to access pages via URL editing:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol082/vol082_001_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol082/vol082_001_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol082/vol082_100_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol082/vol082_146_0.jpg

However, I clearly remember that when I finished 1898, I got taken straight to 1901. And Craig told me the same thing happened to him.
So this means one of two things happened:
A. The log is not available for transcribing through the interface, even thought the JPG links are online (Randi did say it is possible for this to happen)
B. The log is available, but out of order (so perhaps it comes after the 1912 ones, the latest ones I could find). Maybe it had to get repaired and was therefore uploaded later than the rest?

Could somebody please say which of my two theories is correct?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 10 June 2014, 07:41:31
Another possibility is that it was done a long time ago, before we came on board. We had some quite recent Unalga logs before getting the early 1900 ones.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 10 June 2014, 07:54:08
Could be, Craig. I just checked my old Bear transcriptions from summer 2012, and they're from 1884 and 1887. No 1900 in there, but I didn't do very much.
I will ask Silvia. Maybe she ran into that log.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 10 June 2014, 08:28:29
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Received from Department 2 copies "Annual Report Light House Board" and one copy "The limitations of Formaldehyde Gas"
 

The second book must be fascinating  ;D

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol097/vol097_097_1.jpg

Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 10 June 2014, 08:29:54
Hanibal94: I have asked.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: camiller on 10 June 2014, 16:03:37
Limitations of formaldehyde gas?   I wonder why they received that book?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 10 June 2014, 16:24:57
If the crew is not careful when they fumigate with formaldehyde gas there will be nobody to read the book.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: camiller on 10 June 2014, 16:39:32
 ;D

Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 11 June 2014, 05:36:43
Um, I think there's another duplicate that didn't get blocked: After finishing volume 97, I got taken to Volume 98A:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol098/vol098A_006_0.jpg

But there is a volume 98:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol098/vol098_006_0.jpg

And according to Gina's spreadsheet, 98A should have been blocked and 98 is the one that should be done.
So should I just skip through 98A like I did with the other duplicate?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 11 June 2014, 06:25:11
You're ahead of me now, Hanibal.

Can we assume that just because both are online that they are both connected? They likely are but perhaps it would be safer to do 98A and click through 98. It would be useful to know what Sylvia did.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 11 June 2014, 06:47:43
Good point, Craig. It would probably be safer to do 98A because we know for sure it's there.

Keep in mind that even if you can access a log page on line via its JPG, that does NOT necessarily mean that you get it when you are transcribing.

I sent a PM to Silvia asking about 98A and 98. I will wait for the moderator's opinion before doing any more transcribing, though.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 11 June 2014, 07:20:42
How about doing a few pages on the Albatross 1900?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 11 June 2014, 07:37:06
Silvia says she did Volume 98A.

As regards the duplicate logs for July-December 1908, I wrote about that to Randi yesterday.
I completed the transcription of the original log for that period as that was what I was presented with after completing the previous volume.
When I finished the original log I thought I was supposed to start the 1909 volume.
I got the copy of the July-December 1908 logs.

I do not know when and if things will be sorted out.
Also, in the case they would like to remove all the rough logs my transcriptions might be deleted.
I am quite puzzled at the moment :)

Till the next time,
Ciao,
Silvia :)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 11 June 2014, 08:08:53
The transcriptions saved are in an entirely different storage than the interface and its scans, backed up frequently.  Nothing done to keeping/blocking scans here is going to disturb the data already transcribed.  It MIGHT mess up the interface's record of those transcriptions, but trust me - the climatologists aren't allowing any of the interface geeks access to entered data.

The problem is in the original scanning, no one at the scanner (before we ever saw them) knew the difference and duplication between clean and rough and simply went and did every volume on the Bear shelf not necessarily in order by date, and then others tried to decipher what was which in a very dense hard drive. 

The good news, they've used their gained experience to choose which logs to put online on future ships - and they've learned that sorting these things out is one reason why future ships should be cut up into shorter voyages.  This problem is unlikely to be repeated.  The bad news is, good people have been trying to straighten this out for months now and trying very hard.  It is just a very complicated puzzle.  Know that they care and are trying.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 11 June 2014, 08:14:30
That's good to know, Janet.

In any case, there's no point in asking them to delete any logs, like we did last time. I will just click through the second one. It only takes 20 minutes or so.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 11 June 2014, 09:36:04
If Silvia already transcribed 98A and Craig is doing the same, then so will I.

I wonder which one of us will finish our stream first? Silvia may be furthest ahead, but she works on other ships too. Craig and I are very dedicated and focused, but he's retired, so he could easily invest more time and win. Jil is on the same stream as me, but she's currently very busy and hasn't done anything on the Bear for weeks.

This will be an interesting competition.  8)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 11 June 2014, 13:06:48
Thank you all for your patience and willingness to click through the duplicates.

Our overworked support team is trying to make sure this will not happen yet again ::) :(
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 11 June 2014, 14:32:23
We could have a clicking competition, Hanibal  ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 11 June 2014, 14:44:13
For the title of Click Draw McGraw?
 ;)
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Quickdraw+McGraw
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 11 June 2014, 15:16:35
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 12 June 2014, 13:23:06
On this page, some of the WR are out of order chronologically :

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol098/vol098A_041_0.jpg

I was very careful to always enter the correct hour. Note that this means it will NOT be possible to use the position of each WR box on the page to figure out the time.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 12 June 2014, 13:35:28
Hanibal, the hour box proved to be so much more accurate than position on the American ships, Philip dropped using position entirely and went to making the hour mandatory.  (It had been asked for early in the beta tests to make keeping track of what line we were on easier.  Turned out to be a lucky request.  :) )
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 12 June 2014, 16:48:29
I wonder which one of us will finish our stream first? Silvia may be furthest ahead, but she works on other ships too. Craig and I are very dedicated and focused, but he's retired, so he could easily invest more time and win. Jil is on the same stream as me, but she's currently very busy and hasn't done anything on the Bear for weeks.

This will be an interesting competition.  8)

Have you considered the fact that if you finish first I'll be the one to put the Bear to bed, Hanibal?  I know that's your greatest pleasure.  ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 12 June 2014, 17:13:11
Well, that was true - but today, the huge size of the Phase 3 ships means that simply finishing my part on them alone is enough of an achievement for me.
Besides, I've changed since the RN days. I'm not the hotheaded berserker I once was - now, I am a calm and focused warrior, dedicated to the task rather than personal glory.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Ba6gq9vZ4Tg/UpjpMZlPoII/AAAAAAAA5TM/tb1AGKNeRFE/s1600/PrincessTwilighttheEnderslayer.png)

So I don't really mind not delivering the final blow to the Bear as long as I can at least finish my stream.
Besides, I think Silvia will be the one to finish the whole Bear. She works on other ships, she's just been on the Bear for much longer.
I'll see how the next few days go, and how much time I have. I was hoping to finish August 1908 tonight, but since it's a weeknight I have been forced to stop at the 21st. At least the weekend is coming up - I can get a lot done then.
But for now, I must rest. Goodnight everyone.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-M6Ggc0ldMdE/UwE5uEGDnCI/AAAAAAABCUg/Lwaylz_8GXY/s1600/PrincessTwilightsmomentofrest.png)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 12 June 2014, 17:35:52
Goodnight.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 12 June 2014, 18:19:48
Good night, sleep well.   8)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 13 June 2014, 11:19:54
gastcra (Craig) passes the 50,000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 13 June 2014, 11:30:58
 :)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 13 June 2014, 11:48:43
Very impressive, Craig!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 13 June 2014, 12:44:26
Thanks, Hanibal. They way you're going you'll catch up to me soon in total WRs regardless of ship.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 June 2014, 03:04:14
Hanibal94 passes the 30,000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 14 June 2014, 08:18:11
Thanks, Hanibal. They way you're going you'll catch up to me soon in total WRs regardless of ship.

Yes, that is true actually! It will take some time before that happens, but I will make it if I keep my current rate up.
I think we'll both end up passing leelaht as well (She's No. 2, Craig's No. 3, I'm No. 4), because her weekly rate has dropped to about 1500 WR (I know this from updating my guestimations - she's the only one doing Jamestown 1886, so I can easily see how much she's been doing).
But as for whether I will overtake the great and powerful Silvia to become the next Numero Uno.... that's another story entirely.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 14 June 2014, 08:29:30
It's heavy going now, with 24 WRs per page even when in port. I think the Bear is mostly doing sounding now (July 1908) but it is surprising that the Rush, Perry and Yorktown are all there with her between St. Paul and St. George Islands. I wonder why so many ships are concentrated there, since there doesn't seem to be anything but sounding going on.  ???

Yes,  Silvia is out of reach for me too.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 14 June 2014, 10:40:19
I saw something on the Yorktown's NavalHistory page about seal protection around that time, and I remember seeing notes on the Bear's event pages about boarding foreign ships and searching them for seals. Maybe that's why there's all those ships in the area.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 14 June 2014, 14:28:28
A very big issue for decades, protecting the fur seals.  Searching for history of that, I found this explanation of the phrase, "beating the rush", although all cutters on Bering Sea Patrol were involved.
http://coastguard.dodlive.mil/2010/05/history-sea-language-washes-ashore-or-why-beat-the-rush/

The problem culminated in a treaty. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Pacific_Fur_Seal_Convention_of_1911
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 June 2014, 14:44:19
 8)
I added your beat the rush link to the Rush's Reference page.

There is also this:
SEAL HUNTING IN ALASKA (http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F10E1FFB3C5811738DDDAA0A94DE405B8585F0D3) - History of the Growth of this Important Industry. DAMAGE DONE BY RECKLESS KILLING Five Hundred Thousand Said to Have Been Slaughtered in One Year -- Present Restrictions -- Our Fleet of Cutters. - NYTimes.com - 1895.
from Corwin's and Perry's Reference pages.
Corwin is mentioned in this article.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 14 June 2014, 15:35:19
Thanks Randi and Janet. That is interesting background.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 15 June 2014, 08:40:50
Alright, I just finished Volume 98A and have now been presented with Volume 98, the duplicate.
Since I already did all of 98A, I will skip through 98 - except for the weather page for Nov 5th 1908, which I did not get during 98A for some reason.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 15 June 2014, 14:25:36
Sounds good to me.  :)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 15 June 2014, 14:29:40
I will notify the PTB as soon as I hear from Slivia.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 16 June 2014, 15:43:42
The weather page of 24 Jan 1909 has what appears to be a bloodstain on it - could it be a smashed mosquito?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol099/vol099_029_0.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 June 2014, 16:06:39
Would dried blood be red or brown?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 16 June 2014, 16:09:18
I see black ink blots, a definite dark red smish of some sort (not brown-red of dried blood) and a faint large wiped-off smear at the bottom.  Makes you wonder what was going on in that cabin when the log keeper was making the clean log that day.   ::)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 17 June 2014, 10:34:32
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Granted liberty to most of watch on board to enable them to attend minstrel show given by the USS Yorktown

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol098/vol098A_075_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 June 2014, 15:24:02
That was nice fun. :)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 18 June 2014, 13:03:44
Yet ANOTHER duplicate! It appears Jan - June 1909 has been done twice as well:

Smooth (came up first in the interface, so I transcribed it):
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol099/vol099_006_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol099/vol099_006_1.jpg

Rough:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol099A/vol099A_006_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol099A/vol099A_006_1.jpg

Oh well. Time for some more clicking.
Hope my mouse doesn't explode.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 18 June 2014, 13:10:51
There are 10 of the duplicates, Hanibal.  Just soldier thru them all - I really wish there was an easier way out of this.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 June 2014, 14:06:38
Thank you for your patience, Hanibal94!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 18 June 2014, 15:20:36
OK, I'm done with the duplicate. Now to deal with July - Dec 1909.
It has 24 WR / day even when in port, though. This will take a bit.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 18 June 2014, 20:50:13
Guess we will have to just grin and bear it  :D

The up side of all this is that if there are that many duplicate logs ahead of us and we can click through them, then we are almost finished.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 19 June 2014, 02:21:38
There are 10 of the duplicates, Hanibal.  Just soldier thru them all - I really wish there was an easier way out of this.

Yes, that is true - I checked via URL editing, and it turns out volumes 100 - 106 (all the ones left in my stream) have duplicates.
I will transcribe whichever one I am presented with first, and skip through the other one.

The up side of all this is that if there are that many duplicate logs ahead of us and we can click through them, then we are almost finished.

Yes, that is true - I suppose this means the logs really do end on Dec 31st 1912.
But these ones are tough - 24 complete WR when at sea, 12 or 24 in port.
Gonna take a while even for us power transcribers.
At the rate I'm going, I'll be done by the end of July (I hope).
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 20 June 2014, 09:51:35
Oops, I just realized something - for a long time, the Bear has visited a place in California called Sansalito - but I just realized the place is actually called Sausalito, and I entered it wrongly hundreds of times!
This is so embarrassing...  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

Can someone please let the PTB know about this so it doesn't ruin their analysis as well?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 20 June 2014, 10:11:56
My Bear log stream skipped from Oct 31 to Nov 5 1908.  There was not enough time for anyone (except perhaps Silvia or Hanibal) to complete the missing ones properly.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol098/vol098A_130_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol098/vol098A_135_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 20 June 2014, 10:24:00
I did all of those in my stream. All OK.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 20 June 2014, 10:25:43
Must be a newby who skipped through them, then.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 20 June 2014, 12:30:58
Oops, I just realized something - for a long time, the Bear has visited a place in California called Sansalito - but I just realized the place is actually called Sausalito, and I entered it wrongly hundreds of times!
This is so embarrassing...  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

Can someone please let the PTB know about this so it doesn't ruin their analysis as well?

Philip will see your note here.
n and u are always a problem :P
Don't worry - there should be two Sausalito's ;)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 20 June 2014, 13:02:53
That's why the PTB use analysts.  No one can afford the labor costs to do our transcribing, but the transcribing is made science-worthy by the analysts looking only at the information the system kicks out.  :)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 20 June 2014, 13:13:04
Oops, I just realized something - for a long time, the Bear has visited a place in California called Sansalito - but I just realized the place is actually called Sausalito, and I entered it wrongly hundreds of times!
This is so embarrassing...  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

Can someone please let the PTB know about this so it doesn't ruin their analysis as well?

I remember doing the same thing in the beginning, Hanibal. The writing was poor and it does often look like Sansalito. At one point I had a doubt and did a search for Saualito and was surprised that it actually existed.  But searching for Sansalito didn't get any hits so I assumed that the analysts would figure it out.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 26 June 2014, 03:24:50
(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-060.gif)  lollia paolina passes the 90,000 mark!  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-061.gif)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 26 June 2014, 03:49:48
Way to go, Captain!

(That's more WRs on one ship than I've done in my entire OW career.  :( )
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 26 June 2014, 04:14:37
Mare Island 23rd April 1909 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol099/vol099_118_1.jpg

Quote
About 9.30 discovered fire on second story of paint shop, next to dock on west side. Notified Marine sentry and sounded alarm on board ship. Warrant officers, quartermasters, anchor watch, and members of crew sleeping aboard ship lead out dock hose, climbed to second story outside, broke in window and extinguished fire about time of arrival of Marines, crew from yard and from Independence. Cause of fire evidently spontaneous combustion from oil soaked clothing etc.

I love the way they say they had everything sorted by the time everyone else arrived!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 26 June 2014, 07:50:11
Good work, Silvia!  8)

Yes, the marines and others got a bit of a snub there, JIL.  ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 26 June 2014, 07:56:54
Hip Hip Hurray for the Bear ! ! !
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 29 June 2014, 17:20:27
Congratulations Silvia! That might be even more than I did for all of Phases 1 and 2 - not to be sniffed at!

Oh, and I just noticed something strange. First of all, this was mentioned:

Jil and I have been plugging away at the Bear. We both had to click through log book 99a and wondered how that could happen since you did it too. Then it dawned on us that we had passed Silvia!!! It took a while for that fact to sink in  ;D

Upon checking my own stream, I found myself exactly where I had left off before going on vacation. This was totally unexpected, because Jil did a bunch while I was gone, and she and I share a stream.... or so I thought.
It appears this has now changed.... Could it be that Silvia has gone as far as she could on the Bear and can't do anymore, and this has caused a rearrangement of streams?

Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 29 June 2014, 18:00:16
I think that Silvia has slipped in to the third stream, Hanibal. She has not been very active on the Bear lately, I think. You probably passed her before you left. The fact that the three of us have clicked through 99A indicates to me that Silvia didn't get that far. If she had gone to the end then that would have made four of us clicking through 99A, which shouldn't happen.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 30 June 2014, 09:13:10
Yes, I may or may not have passed her chronologically. I don't know where she is, because she almost never posts.

At least we aren't on the same stream - She did a couple thousand WR while I was gone, but I found myself exactly where I had stopped just before leaving.

I'll PM her and ask about this.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 01 July 2014, 06:28:52
I am "mentioning" ships if they are USS or USRC because I remember a long time ago Philip said that it was useful to be able to compare data for ships that are in the same place - especially lat/long. I would be curious to know to what extent he does this? Of course, until all the ships have been completed the effort would not be optimal.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 01 July 2014, 08:40:47
I think he is looking for the future - he can't do a good analysis until more of the American ships are in all the data bases.  But really, thank you for the mentions!!!  That will be the basis for all kinds of cross checking.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 02 July 2014, 03:32:36
Hanibal94 passes DennisO!

(Just be sure you pass your classes - at the moment they are more important ;))
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 03 July 2014, 07:45:05
Hanibal94 passes 40,000 !

When do you find time to sleep?  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 July 2014, 08:05:43
Hanibal94 passes the 40,000 mark!



Thanks, Craig ;)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 03 July 2014, 11:06:18
Well done, Hanibal!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 03 July 2014, 13:41:49
When do you find time to sleep?  8) 8) 8)

At night, of course! Whaddiya think?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 03 July 2014, 13:58:10
Oh, I forgot that at 3 1/2 minutes per page you didn't spend long transcribing the vast number of pages you did before you left on vacation  ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 04 July 2014, 08:38:43
One has to be crazy to want a promotion?  ;D

Quote
3rd Lieutenant J.P. Gray and 3rd Lieutenant of Engineers H.F. Johnson, undergoing mental examination for promotion.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol100/vol100_149_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 04 July 2014, 10:55:27
 ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 05 July 2014, 07:51:17
Silvia and I are the only two transcribing now - 11:51 (at least, amongst the top 12) and we are leap-frogging. So we are in the same stream.

I am guessing that you remain in your stream unless someone passes you. Hanibal is probably in the first stream now. I would have thought that Silvia would be in the second but Jil and I must have passed her and Jil got the second stream.

In any case, there's not much point in Silvia and I doing the same pages so I will wait until she stops.

 
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 05 July 2014, 10:29:00
Clever observation, Craig. And it does make sense, given I definitely passed you and may have passed Silvia (I'm at April 1910 at the time of writing this).

I'll keep going, but I won't be doing it as intensely as before - I may have produced a LOT of WR data, but I was using up all my free time in order to do so. This is actually a rather bad idea and it was making me feel exhausted and moody, so I'm cutting back.
From now on, I won't do more than 750 WR per day, even on weekends.
Still, at that rate I'll have my stream done before September 1st - not bad!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 05 July 2014, 10:52:21
Good decision, Hanibal94.
This is important, but it should not take up all your free time - especially when it starts to have a negative effect on you. This is a long term project, so we don't want you to get burned out. As far as I am concerned, 750 WR per day is enormous.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 05 July 2014, 11:29:26
I agree, Randi.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 05 July 2014, 11:30:48
I agree with Randi - make OW a part of your life that adds richness without blocking the rest.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 05 July 2014, 19:14:11
As Randi said 750 is an enormous amount for anybody yet alone a youngster.
Slow down a bit and enjoy your youth, (it does not last all that long) but don't go away.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 06 July 2014, 04:22:24
Thanks people - I've been thinking about this for a while, and I have realized that the main problem is that the Bear has 24 WR / day, EVERY SINGLE DAY. This makes it very tiring to do a whole lot at once.
If it were less than that, it would be much better. On the RN ships, I almost never got exhausted.

I think I will try switching to other Zooniverse projects when the Bear gets too tiring. For example, one of the image batches on Notes From Nature is 99% complete, but it still needs several thousand classifications because it's so big.
I know from past experience that I can do one such image in one minute, as long as there's nothing really weird about it.
And of course, there's always Cell Slider.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 06 July 2014, 07:40:33
I checked ahead, Hanibal, and during the winters of 1911 and 1912 there are only 12 WRs per page.   Something to look forward to.  ;)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 06 July 2014, 08:35:42
Yes, I know. The first 12 WR pages actually appear sometime in September 1910 - I was peeking ahead too.
It's been such a long time since I had to deal with these many 24 WR pages - last time was on the Pioneer, that lasted for only 9 months, and I knew it was the last few batches before the end, so I was very very motivated to finish them.
I just finished April 1910 - now I will take a break and enjoy myself for a few hours. Maybe I'll do a bit more in the evening, maybe not.
Just gotta keep in mind that just because I have above-average speed and dedication does not mean I have to make use of it all the time.

P.S. Big Congrats to Craig for passing 60.000!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 06 July 2014, 08:42:59
(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-060.gif)  gastcra (Craig) passes the 60,000 mark!  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-061.gif)



Thanks, Hanibal94 ;) ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 06 July 2014, 08:47:34
Just in case anyone is curious, I get 21 January 1910 if I ask for a page.
BEAUTIFUL handwriting.

(But I am dedicated to Jamestown (1844) ;))
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 06 July 2014, 08:54:24
Thanks Randi and Hanibal. We have a formidable team working on the Bear!

Jan 21 is where I am, Randi. This is the 3rd stream and I am the only one in it so far today. Yesterday I did some Unalga pages until Silvia stopped because we were doing the same pages.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 06 July 2014, 15:39:18
Yes, we do have quite a great team - Silvia, Craig, myself and Jil!
This is the biggest collaboration we have ever done on OW, and I am very proud to be a part of it.  8)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 09 July 2014, 05:02:08
In June 1910, there's some stuff about a lost schooner.

On the 20th, they recieved word about the schooner being missing (at 1:30 pm).
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol101/vol101_175_1.jpg

The next day, they found the schooner was totally wrecked, but all the people were saved. They managed to salvage some baggage and cargo.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol101/vol101_176_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 July 2014, 08:18:40
 8)

http://alaskashipwreck.com/shipwrecks-by-area/west-central-alaska-shipwrecks-2/west-central-alaska-shipwrecks-j/
(There are three different JOE MATHEWS listed there.)



There is a "Leave a Reply" option at the end perhaps you could add links to the Bear's log book pages and mention OW?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 09 July 2014, 14:51:45
There is a "Leave a Reply" option at the end perhaps you could add links to the Bear's log book pages and mention OW?

No, sorry. When I clicked on that link, I got the message attached:
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 July 2014, 14:55:54
Too bad :P
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 11 July 2014, 08:32:42
Quote
Received from Wholesale Typewriter Company, 1 Underwood Typewriter for use of Wardroom as authorized by Department letter of April 11, 1910.

It seems to me this is the second typewriter they have ordered. Too bad they didn't get one for the log keeper  ;D

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol101/vol101_119_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 11 July 2014, 09:59:33
Too bad indeed.



Independence Day celebrations, 1910: Infantry section went ashore to participate in parade!
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol102/vol102_009_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 11 July 2014, 10:00:35
 8)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 12 July 2014, 07:13:38
May 7, 1910

Quote
Half Masted national ensign upon learning of death of King Edward VII of England.



Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 12 July 2014, 10:08:39
Interesting - I didn't know American sailors would pay attention to that, at least not in those days, before the Anglo-American alliance was forged in the fires of WW 1.
Well, now I know.



You're getting closer to me every day, Craig - I'm at July 1910 now, and I've been very busy with coursework and other things recently, leaving very little time for OW.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 12 July 2014, 12:08:35
Yes, I was surprised too about Americans paying respect to the British. You may have noticed that there are few British ships in Alaskan waters too.

I am plodding along and Jil is helping out too so we aren't trailing too far behind you. I guess Silvia is out in front now.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 13 July 2014, 04:20:52
A good way to get teenagers to tidy their rooms?  ;D

Mid - 4am:-
M. Yajima and M. Magbanoa, 1st class boys, stood two hour watch as punishment for untidiness of bunks after repeated warnings.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol101/vol101_149_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 13 July 2014, 05:49:12
The Boys are definitely being boys!

M. Bohia, first class boy, stood two hour watch for smoking in violation of regulations.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol101/vol101_152_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 13 July 2014, 12:31:36
 ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 14 July 2014, 13:20:00
Watch this space for an important announcement  ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 14 July 2014, 13:26:04
???
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 July 2014, 15:05:43
Indeed! ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 15 July 2014, 03:18:33
jil passes the 25,000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 15 July 2014, 04:24:05
 :)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 15 July 2014, 07:01:45
Yea, Jil!   8)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 15 July 2014, 08:51:32
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lollia paolina passes
* * * 100,000 * * *

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Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 15 July 2014, 10:51:48
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 15 July 2014, 12:58:05
That's our captain  8) 8) 8)  Way to go, Silvia!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 15 July 2014, 13:39:12
Well done, Captain!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 15 July 2014, 13:52:34
Wow. 100.000 WR on a single ship. No one has ever done that before. No one has even come close to doing that before.

Silvia, I am very impressed at your achievement. You are an inspiration to us all, your dedication and productiveness second to none.
And you haven't let it go to your head either - you're humble, friendly and a very much appreciated member of the OW community.
It has been a pleasure and an honor to serve with you, and I very much look forward to continuing to do in the months and years to come.

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Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: lollia paolina on 16 July 2014, 05:44:36
Thank you so much for your kind thoughts and pictures :) :)
You all have been exceedingly kind :) :)

Silvia

:) :) :)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 16 July 2014, 08:26:46
Only 10% left to transcribe!   :)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 16 July 2014, 09:52:33
It appears I am sharing a stream with somebody again.
Last night, I got up to the weather page of August 1st, 1910 before shutting down.
Now, I get the Events page of August 7th.

But I don't mind. I haven't got much time for transcribing right now because my course has entered another theoretical phase.
So I sometimes have long days, and even when I don't, I have to revise and practice problems and stuff. Plus, I do need and want to relax a bit.

I might be able to contribute a few pages in the evening every now and then (like on weekends), but it looks like you'll be doing a lot of the remaining 10% without me.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 16 July 2014, 10:27:38
I am up to August 31st, Hanibal, thanks to Jil and some unknown transcriber who hasn't yet broken into the top 12.

Keep focusing on your courses and don't worry about transcribing. You can always transcribe after.

The Bear will soon be heading down south for the winter and we will get some lighter work, which will be a relief.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 16 July 2014, 11:03:18
Hanibal,
The 1st to 7th August was definitely me.

90% complete - woot! Go team! etc.etc.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 17 July 2014, 08:47:29
Received on board the following wireless outfit transferred from wrecked R.C. "Perry": 3 boxes storage batteries, 4 cells in each box; 1 induction coil; 2 small Leyden Jars; 1 key condenser; 1 resistance box , and 1 switch board (By authority of Commanding Officer Bering Sea Fleet)

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol102/vol102_076_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 July 2014, 08:56:06
Take a bit of shore leave Hanibal!
Right now your classes are more important, and you don't want to get burned out.
There will still be ships when you come back!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 20 July 2014, 10:41:28
Finally, in Sausalito beginning about November 15, 1910 there are only 12 WRs per page  8) ;D

Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 23 July 2014, 04:07:13
91% complete - yeah!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: tastiger on 23 July 2014, 04:41:05
I am up to August 31st, Hanibal, thanks to Jil and some unknown transcriber who hasn't yet broken into the top 12.

That may or may not be me. Decided to switch over here as the ship I was doing started to have really long faded event pages.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 23 July 2014, 06:52:39
You are very welcome to join us, Tastiger. We're making a big push to finish the Bear. I hope to see you in the top 12 soon.

As you have seen, the event pages are quite readable here.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 23 July 2014, 08:23:13
Feb. 19, 1911

Quote
3:00 received following wireless message from Commander Blue, Chief of Staff to Admiral Thomas:- Commanding Officer, R.C. "Bear" I have just received information that the filibustering expedition will leave San Diego sometime to-night to go to Mexico to take part in the revolution. Ten of these men belong to Navy and Marine Corps. They are to meet at some saloon, possibly the Red Flag, at seven o'clock to make arrangements to get across the border or to go by boat. This information was given out by one of our men who was in the deal but changed his mind. Will you please take all possible steps to apprehend these people. Please inform Collector of Customs, U.S. Marshal and Chief of Police. It is believed they intend to go by boat. Blue."

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol103/vol103_055_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 23 July 2014, 08:39:04
Quite a thriller!



Welcome on board tastiger!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 23 July 2014, 12:59:47
Nice to see you here, tastiger!

As Craig said, we are indeed very close to finishing the Bear. I peeked ahead, and the furthest I could get via URL editing was December 31st, 1912 - looks like it stops there.
I am currently at Feb 1911, just behind Craig, so it won't take me long to finish my stream.
Not sure which stream you're in, but I don't think it's mine because I haven't missed any pages for quite a while (so Jil must be in a different stream too).
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 23 July 2014, 17:33:36
92% complete - full steam ahead!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: tastiger on 23 July 2014, 19:08:30
Nice to see you here, tastiger!

As Craig said, we are indeed very close to finishing the Bear. I peeked ahead, and the furthest I could get via URL editing was December 31st, 1912 - looks like it stops there.
I am currently at Feb 1911, just behind Craig, so it won't take me long to finish my stream.
Not sure which stream you're in, but I don't think it's mine because I haven't missed any pages for quite a while (so Jil must be in a different stream too).

In early March, so probably not.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: tastiger on 23 July 2014, 19:38:14
I have a feeling I'm a bit slow...

http://oldweather.org/transcriptions/53d039a189e4e1383f00766f/edit
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 July 2014, 03:31:15
I was slow too when I transcribed EVERYTHING ;)
I finally gave up on it - though I still do a lot.

Transcribing everything is great if you want to do it, but it is optional.

I'll PM you some more detailed comments.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 24 July 2014, 04:09:18
Yeah, transcribing the events does slow you down. I don't do any at all except for mentions of sea ice, because that's for the science and not the history.
Since then, my speed has increased by a lot - right now, I'm facing a lot of 12 WR pages, and I can do one in 1.5 - 2 minutes.
At this rate, I'll have my stream finished in less than a month.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 July 2014, 08:52:34
Few transcribers can match Hannibal for speed ;)

I am at least an order of magnitude slower on the WR pages ::),
and sometimes far more than that on the Remarks pages :P
I just keep plugging along ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 24 July 2014, 15:56:20
Aired bedding and sprayed bunk curtains and bunks on berth deck with solution of bi-chloride of mercury.  :o

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol103/vol103_114_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 24 July 2014, 15:59:41
It would successfully kill germs - unfortunately, add 'etc.'.   :-\
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 26 July 2014, 17:40:51
From June 2nd - September 6th, 1911, the Bear is at sea nearly all the time and always has 24 WR / day (I'm at July 1st - I just peeked ahead)
This sure is tough going, but at least we're getting close to the end - we just hit 93%!



Few transcribers can match Hannibal for speed ;)

Yes, that is true - like my avatar, I am the fastest of my kind, but not the most hard-working (that would be Silvia, of course) due to laziness.

(http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/038/1/d/rainbow_dash_sleeping_2_by_iks83-d4oz0xv.gif)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 28 July 2014, 02:31:12
Reindeer make a welcome return!  ;D
25th June 1911 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol103/vol103_181_1.jpg
Quote
12:30 Executive Officer, Mr. Evans, interpreter and reindeer boys went ashore to get reindeer.
4:30, Executive Officer returned aboard with first load of reindeer.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 28 July 2014, 08:28:54
Sheldon Jackson would be pleased.

The log keeper is fastidious now. Not only is he recording 24 hour reports while in port but he is not using dittos in the cloud type so that I can't even use autohotkey. I would like to have a word with him  ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 28 July 2014, 17:04:06
Hanibal94 passes the 50,000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 28 July 2014, 17:49:42
 8) Excellent work!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: tastiger on 28 July 2014, 17:50:16
"Commissioner investigated Case of Sally Aug-Ni-Nah, a Native Man, charged with incest Unable to Secure Sufficient evidence to insure conviction at Nome Confined him in brig in order that he might not entirely escape punishment"
Next line:
"Thomas Okpowrok and Mattie Agamowak were married by the Reverend Dr. Goodman"
Talk about a varied day...
July 24th, 1911
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 28 July 2014, 18:50:30
There is always a lot going on with the natives. I really enjoyed John Muir's account in his Voyage of the Corwin. He was very good in describing their way of life.

Way to go, Hanibal! I thought we might both reach our next landmark (or seamark) at the same time but you steamed ahead of me.  ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 29 July 2014, 08:03:54
An agreement between Mr. Brower, manager of whaling station at Point Barrow, and the natives he agreed to employ.  I mention it here because I didn't transcribe it.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol104/vol104_036_1.jpg

It is exceptional that there is no ice at Point Barrow this visit. August 3, 1911. Often, the Bear has trouble getting in and out.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 29 July 2014, 09:38:22
8) Excellent work!

Way to go, Hanibal! I thought we might both reach our next landmark (or seamark) at the same time but you steamed ahead of me.  ;D

Thanks! I love reaching them milestones.
I believe this will be my last one on the Bear, though, because if she finishes on Dec 31st 1912 like I think she does, there won't be enough WR left for me to break the 60.000 mark as well. That would require 24 WR/day all the time for what's left, and I know from peeking ahead that this is not the case.

Ah well. Finishing the Bear, a ship I have been on for almost two years in real world time now, will be a huge achievement by itself.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 29 July 2014, 11:06:06
(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-060.gif)  gastcra (Craig) passes the 70,000 mark!  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-061.gif)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 29 July 2014, 13:07:59
Awesome job, Craig!  8)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 29 July 2014, 13:19:14
It's just like ageing.  I can't help it  ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 29 July 2014, 14:45:59
 8) Well done, Craig!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 30 July 2014, 06:15:18
21st August 1911 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol104/vol104_056_1.jpg

10:00, Executive Officer and Mr Evans went ashore to investigate condition of "Redfield". "Redfield" ashore, hard and fast, inside of bar, about a mile to the westward of the village, heavy surf breaking over bar and around the schooner.
1:00, Executive Officer returned aboard; reported "Redfield" hopelessly ashore, grounded, stem and stern, inside the breakers, hold filling, cargo being damaged and no effort being made to save it.
2:00, the swell and current being too heavy for work with ship's boat, the Commanding Officer sent Executive Officer, with Boatswain, four men and seven of the natives on board ashore in an oomiak, to take charge of the "Redfield", make an effort to save part of its cargo, with the assistance of Mr Evans and the Cape Prince of Wales natives, and to stand-by the vessel until weather abated.

Some more info from wrecksite (http://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?216902) and Alaska Shipwrecks (http://alaskashipwreck.com/shipwrecks-a-z/alaska-shipwrecks-f/) with mentions of Bear.  :)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 30 July 2014, 07:05:28
All human life is here!
22nd August 1911 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol104/vol104_057_1.jpg

9:40, born to Kananak, wife of Kag Mayack, a daughter.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 30 July 2014, 07:55:04
Quote
'10:00, Executive Officer and Mr Evans went ashore to investigate condition of "Redfield". "Redfield" ashore, hard and fast, inside of bar, about a mile to the westward of the village, heavy surf breaking over bar'

Sounds good till you read the rest.   ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 30 July 2014, 16:56:29
Whew... what a day. Despite having 4.5 hours of classes and working at home for 2 hours, I still found the time to transcribe all of October, November AND December 1911.
I gained 1721 WR in the process - personal record!



I also discovered that the copy log for July - Dec 1911 (Volume 104) was not removed. I shall click through it tomorrow.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 30 July 2014, 17:19:58
Wow! That's a busy day, Hanibal. That's about 4 days transcribing for me.

From what you wrote I calculated that there were only about 36 of the 90 pages that were 12 WRs. I hope January to June 1912 will be easier.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 30 July 2014, 18:00:06
And that explains how we got to 94% - woo hoo!

(I'm not going to say how many days weeks of transcribing that would be for me)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 30 July 2014, 18:08:31
And that explains how we got to 94% - woo hoo!

(I'm not going to say how many days weeks of transcribing that would be for me)
Me neither!
(months)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 31 July 2014, 03:31:25
Yes, I am very dedicated now that we're so close to the end (Just finished clicking my way through the duplicate, and have been presented with the smooth log of Jan-June 1912).
I am very much looking forward to finishing this ship at last - it's been online for over two years now!

From what you wrote I calculated that there were only about 36 of the 90 pages that were 12 WRs. I hope January to June 1912 will be easier.

Your calculations are pretty close. All of October and most of November were 24 WR, the rest was 12 or in between.
But 1912 should be better. I peeked ahead and noticed that the log keeper does 12 WR when in any port - not just important ones like Unalaska and Sausalito.
Plus, it looks like the Bear didn't spend as much time in Alaska as she did the previous year. Good news for us!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 31 July 2014, 03:34:16
95%
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 31 July 2014, 15:05:47
Wow!  8)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 03 August 2014, 04:18:05
December 23rd 1911 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol104/vol104_181_1.jpg

Quote
Through courtesy of Lieut. Col. Brooks, USA, received permission to cut greens on Fort Baker reservation, for decoration of vessel.

Very festive!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 August 2014, 04:30:49
Merry Christmas, jil!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 August 2014, 04:34:55
tastiger
Welcome to the top 12 !


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Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: tastiger on 03 August 2014, 04:35:57
tastiger
Welcome to the top 12 !


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Thanks! And now I'm on the same page as above. :)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 August 2014, 04:36:59
tastiger passes the 500 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: tastiger on 03 August 2014, 05:11:28
December 25th, 1911 http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol104/vol104_183_1.jpg

8:00AM-4:00PM Observed day as holiday

And that's it. I suppose the lack of works says more than what words could say... (The page has less than usual is what I mean).

Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 August 2014, 05:28:25
 ;D
Merry Christmas, tastiger.



Several years ago I transcribed Christmas and New Year during Christmas and New Year. I found it very disorienting.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 03 August 2014, 09:13:10
Good to finally see you in the top 12, Tastiger!  I have noticed you occasionally when a page skips. We are now in 1912 and in the home stretch with only 3% to go!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 03 August 2014, 12:50:17
This is excellent news! At the rate we're going, we'll have her done in a week!

I'm at May 8th 1912. She's just left Sausalito for Alaska, so there's now 24 WR per page.
But I will push on anyway. I'm too eager to end this at last.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 03 August 2014, 14:21:43
Indeed, I will be glad to finish this vessel. We haven't had a vessel completed in a long time.

I was thinking, while clicking through the duplicate log, that it is rather strange that we have 3 transcribers copying a copy of the original. I wonder how reliable the copy log is. It's a bit late now, but it seems to me that we should have transcribed the original even though it's harder to read. It would have been equally hard for the copier to read. It is possible that someone checked his work?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: tastiger on 03 August 2014, 16:29:07
So anyone have any plans on which vessel you'll do next? Mine's Patterson maybe. Or have things changed since I took a break?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 August 2014, 16:31:15
Everybody please keep in mind that propriome (Matteo) wants to do ALL the Unalga pages.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 03 August 2014, 17:18:34
Yes, we know - at least I do. But since Matteo and I are on separate streams, that won't be a problem in my case.
I'm going for Unalga after the Bear, but I may take a little break first (or not). She's the last one I still need to finish.
After that, I'll be free to go wherever I like.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 03 August 2014, 19:19:15
Holy Guacamole! After finishing Jan - June 1912, I got flung all the way back to April 1892!

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol72/vol072_001_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol72/vol072_001_1.jpg

These logs have a format I though I would never see again: 24 WR per day even when in port, but only the even hours have barometer and temperature readings.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: tastiger on 03 August 2014, 19:26:55
So we have Jan-Jun 1912 and April-Dec 1892 left?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 04 August 2014, 03:39:23
tastiger passes the 750 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 04 August 2014, 14:55:57
98%
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 04 August 2014, 15:02:49
 ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 04 August 2014, 16:34:03
Storming along!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: tastiger on 05 August 2014, 05:11:44
Prepare the sad violin music...
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol105/vol105_080_1.jpg
4:00AM to 8:00AM
Hauled various courses around SE end of San Clemente and examined Smugglers' Cove.  The old Swell still breaking in the Cove did not land.  Seeing no sign of life on the shore turned and stood back around SE end of island then to Northwestward along shore.  At 7:45 Stood in Close to examine hut on shore in log (494), and stopped and Sent in boat with officer and Inspector Bernard

10:30, Stopped off Wilson's Cove and Sent in boat with officer and Inspector Bernard to investigate.  Found two men, Austin E and Lester C Freeman, who had been wrecked in the Sloop "Dora" of San Pedro, Sunday, March 10, at Northwest Harbor.  The Captain of the Sloop "Chips" Bensnan was drowned. The body was recovered and buried by the Freemans.  Took the two men aboard at their request for transportation to San Pedro.  The Sloop is total wreck and beyond assistance.

Plus also the first "continued" log page of remarks I've seen...
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 05 August 2014, 14:32:43
tastiger passes the 1000 mark!



WOW!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 05 August 2014, 15:09:53
Way to go, Tastiger!  We'll be finished in no time.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: tastiger on 05 August 2014, 16:49:36
tastiger passes the 1000 mark!



WOW!

 ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: tastiger on 06 August 2014, 01:11:07
Just curious, where is everyone else in the logs? Curious on if anyone reached the end or not, if they are in my stream, or blah blah blah. :D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 06 August 2014, 03:24:31
If I ask for a page, I get 7 May 1912.
(I didn't do it though ;))
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 06 August 2014, 04:02:12
7th May 1912 for me which is where I was up to yesterday.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: tastiger on 06 August 2014, 04:06:03
I guess there are two streams going on (May 16th for me), which kind of confuses me considering I though Hanibal and lollia took two, but whatever.  :)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 06 August 2014, 04:53:18
Craig and I have been similarly confused recently. As we knew that Hanibal was way ahead to we had to come to the conclusion that we'd caught up with lollia, difficult as that was to get our heads around!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: tastiger on 06 August 2014, 04:56:25
Craig and I have been similarly confused recently. As we knew that Hanibal was way ahead to we had to come to the conclusion that we'd caught up with lollia, difficult as that was to get our heads around!
Lollia didn't complete a ship? I thought she/he (I'm guessing she) would be done with all the ships by now.  ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 06 August 2014, 05:01:47
I get July 9th, 1892 (The log goes from April 28th - December 13th 1892).

Since this one is all 24 WR (but only even hours have barometer and temperature readings), it will take slightly longer.

This business with the streams does sound rather confusing. Me, I'll just keep going for as long as I can, and see what happens.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 06 August 2014, 06:48:04
I finished at April 27 1912 yesterday and now it's May 16. I think Jil, Tastiger and I are in the same stream.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 06 August 2014, 08:47:22
From what I have experienced in the past, if two (or more) people in the third (i.e. last) stream are transcribing at the same time they can will get the same pages.

If A requests a page s/he will get the next page available e.g., 7 May 1912 weather.
If B then requests a page before A has clicked done, s/he will get the next page available e.g., 7 May 1912 weather.
If A has clicked done, then both will get 7 May 1912 remarks.

When this came up some time back, Philip said that ALL transcriptions are kept even if there are more than three. Nonetheless, perhaps some coordination is in order ;)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 06 August 2014, 09:36:53
By some coincidence we all seem to be transcribing at different times. Jil finishes before I begin (about 11 AM GMT) and I think Tastiger begins after me ( about 3 PM GMT).

Since we are almost at 99% complete and the third stream has more than two log books to complete, I would guess that Silvia is almost finished - in any case, she is well ahead of the 3rd stream.

Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: tastiger on 06 August 2014, 14:57:03
By some coincidence we all seem to be transcribing at different times. Jil finishes before I begin (about 11 AM GMT) and I think Tastiger begins after me ( about 3 PM GMT).

Since we are almost at 99% complete and the third stream has more than two log books to complete, I would guess that Silvia is almost finished - in any case, she is well ahead of the 3rd stream.

For me 3PM GMT is 10:00 AM if my calculations are correct (so Jil 6-10) so yeah talk about coincidence. I'll make sure to start after 10:00 :) But I'm taking a break today-14th for my trip to Japan, but I'll be back if it isn't done yet. :)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 06 August 2014, 15:09:26
Have a safe trip and have fun!



Just remember that if you don't report back on time we will send Maikel's bounty hunters after you ;D
U.S.S. Yorktown - At anchor Nagasaki, Japan.

28-06-1895 - 4 to 8 p.m.
Private Anthony was brought on board by the U.S. Marshall, 34 hours overtime, and a reward of twenty yen was paid for his delivery on board.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Yorktown/vol013of040_jpg_clean/vol013of040_197_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Yorktown/vol013of040_jpg_clean/vol013of040_197_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: tastiger on 06 August 2014, 16:07:10
Have a safe trip and have fun!




Just remember that if you don't report back on time we will send Maikel's bounty hunters after you ;D
U.S.S. Yorktown - At anchor Nagasaki, Japan.

28-06-1895 - 4 to 8 p.m.
Private Anthony was brought on board by the U.S. Marshall, 34 hours overtime, and a reward of twenty yen was paid for his delivery on board.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Yorktown/vol013of040_jpg_clean/vol013of040_197_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Yorktown/vol013of040_jpg_clean/vol013of040_197_1.jpg)

:D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 06 August 2014, 19:26:33
For me 3PM GMT is 10:00 AM if my calculations are correct (so Jil 6-10) so yeah talk about coincidence. I'll make sure to start after 10:00 :) But I'm taking a break today-14th for my trip to Japan, but I'll be back if it isn't done yet. :)

Have a good trip, tastiger!

I'm pretty sure we'll have the Bear done by the time you return, though. She just reached 99% - mainly due to me transcribing 2305 WR in a single day (new personal record!)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 06 August 2014, 20:52:33
Wooo Hooo!!  :D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: tastiger on 06 August 2014, 21:24:25
For me 3PM GMT is 10:00 AM if my calculations are correct (so Jil 6-10) so yeah talk about coincidence. I'll make sure to start after 10:00 :) But I'm taking a break today-14th for my trip to Japan, but I'll be back if it isn't done yet. :)

Have a good trip, tastiger!

I'm pretty sure we'll have the Bear done by the time you return, though. She just reached 99% - mainly due to me transcribing 2305 WR in a single day (new personal record!)
Thanks, hopefully, and congrats! :D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: tastiger on 06 August 2014, 22:18:06
4:00-6:00PM
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol105/vol105_164_1.jpg
Received on board empty casket for the deceased child of Mr and Mrs Hawkes, Diomede Island
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 06 August 2014, 22:56:55
Rest in Peace, little one.  This "freight" has to be hard on the crew.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 07 August 2014, 04:23:45
June 10th 1912 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol105/vol105_169_1.jpg

Quote
2:55, Picked up message for Senior Captain W.E. Reynolds notifying him as to the great disaster at Kodiak. Made course South, log (30.0) to relay message.

Katmai volcano (http://www3.gendisasters.com/alaska/20314/kodiak-ak-katmai-volcano-explosion-june-1912) - Manning gets lots of mentions.

And from Alaska Volcano Observatory (https://www.avo.alaska.edu/Katmai2012/) - who describe it as the largest eruption of the 20th century  :o
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 07 August 2014, 05:01:04
Largest volcanic eruption of the 20th century? Wow!

And yet, I've never heard of that one before - probably because it was in such a remote location.

Quote from: Wikipedia
Despite the magnitude of the eruption, no deaths directly resulted.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 07 August 2014, 05:29:37
June 13th 1912 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol105/vol105_172_1.jpg

Quote
Found volcano smoking to N'd of King's Cove, Dear Id. Passage - Probably part of chain adjacent to Pavlof Volcano
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: tastiger on 07 August 2014, 13:25:20
June 10th 1912 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol105/vol105_169_1.jpg

Quote
2:55, Picked up message for Senior Captain W.E. Reynolds notifying him as to the great disaster at Kodiak. Made course South, log (30.0) to relay message.

Katmai volcano (http://www3.gendisasters.com/alaska/20314/kodiak-ak-katmai-volcano-explosion-june-1912) - Manning gets lots of mentions.

And from Alaska Volcano Observatory (https://www.avo.alaska.edu/Katmai2012/) - who describe it as the largest eruption of the 20th century  :o

Neat!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 07 August 2014, 14:26:23
I just came across the longest weather code I have ever seen, at 7 pm on this page: bcqhtls

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol72/vol072_213_0.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Danny252 on 07 August 2014, 15:12:26
Mainly due to me transcribing 2305 WR in a single day (new personal record!)

...three months of weather reports in a single day?! And I thought I was fast when I occasionally managed to do a week's worth in an evening...
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 07 August 2014, 15:26:17
...And I thought I was fast when I occasionally managed to do a week's worth in an evening...
That is fast by my standards ;)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 07 August 2014, 15:51:37
June 15th 1912 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol105/vol105_174_1.jpg

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At 5:00, noticed large patches of white volcanic dust on surface of water, in size from fine particles to size of a walnut, resembling pumice stone.

Mr. Gundersen, of the Alaska Packers, who reported that no damage whatever was done in this vicinity and that there was no damage or loss of life from Alitak Bay to the East end of the island. He further stated that the people across the strait at Katmai, Kukuk Bay and Douglas Village near the entrance to Cook's Inlet, had been brought across by various craft during the past few days
Title: I did it! My stream is finished!
Post by: Hanibal94 on 07 August 2014, 16:27:29
I'm all done! I just transcribed December 12th 1892, and got the message that means I can't do anymore!
Woo hoo hoo! After two whole years of real time, I am done with the Bear at last!



I shall now rest for a few days, and then head for the Unalga. She is now the last ship I have already started but not finished, so I am bound by honor to focus all my attention on her.
At least the full 24 WR are quite rare on her - rarer than on the Bear. That'll be fun.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 07 August 2014, 17:02:00
Not just finished, but

(http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-060.gif)  Hanibal94 passes the 60,000 mark!  (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Respect/respect-061.gif)

Congratulations ! ! !
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 07 August 2014, 18:44:59
Well done, Hanibal!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 08 August 2014, 04:08:20
Lieutenant and Chief Speed Freak Hanibal94 honorably discharged this day due to completion of work, granted 3 days leave and received orders to present self to USGC Unalga at end of leave.

Lieutenant was last seen heading for local lakes.

(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121118103024/mlp/images/thumb/3/39/Rainbow_Dash_enjoying_the_rays_S3E3.png/640px-Rainbow_Dash_enjoying_the_rays_S3E3.png)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: lollia paolina on 08 August 2014, 06:03:24
Lieutenant and Chief Speed Freak Hanibal94 honorably discharged this day due to completion of work, granted 3 days AWOL and received orders to present self to USGC Unalga at end of leave.
Lieutenant was last seen heading for local lakes.

Congratulations on your new record Hanibal :)
Enjoy your vacation :)
Silvia :)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 08 August 2014, 07:07:26
That's a prodigious feat, Hanibal! You deserve a break.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 08 August 2014, 08:07:34
Tastiger and Jil were busy on my day off so now we (the third stream) are in May 1894.  The pages are slanted and sometimes the last column is cut off but at least I can use autohotkey to fill in the blanks and dittos for the odd hours.

Tastiger, it sounds like you are in the same time zone as me - Eastern daylight (GMT-5)?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 08 August 2014, 08:20:42
Tastiger is on leave in Japan.
He is due to report back on the 14'th.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 08 August 2014, 08:30:38
Lieutenant Hanibal94 was last seen making a dash for local lakes ;D


NOT AWOL though! ;)

Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 08 August 2014, 20:15:54
Tastiger and Jil were busy on my day off so now we (the third stream) are in May 1894.  The pages are slanted and sometimes the last column is cut off but at least I can use autohotkey to fill in the blanks and dittos for the odd hours.

Have you tried opening the corresponding Events page in another tab? That sometimes helped me.

NOT AWOL though! ;)

Whaddya mean, no AWOL?! Captain Silvia approved my break!

But then again, it doesn't really matter because it is extremely unlikely that Maikel's bounty hunters could catch a sky-blue pegasus with a rainbow mane and tail whose top speed has been scientifically proven to be Mach 10.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: tastiger on 08 August 2014, 20:23:27
Tastiger and Jil were busy on my day off so now we (the third stream) are in May 1894.  The pages are slanted and sometimes the last column is cut off but at least I can use autohotkey to fill in the blanks and dittos for the odd hours.

Tastiger, it sounds like you are in the same time zone as me - Eastern daylight (GMT-5)?
I'm GMT-6, and that wasn't me, like Randi said.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 August 2014, 03:05:07
NOT AWOL though! ;)

Whaddya mean, no AWOL?! Captain Silvia approved my break!

But then again, it doesn't really matter because it is extremely unlikely that Maikel's bounty hunters could catch a sky-blue pegasus with a rainbow mane and tail whose top speed has been scientifically proven to be Mach 10.

AWOL is Absent WithOut Leave
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/AWOL
You HAVE leave.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 August 2014, 03:11:30
Tastiger and Jil were busy on my day off so now we (the third stream) are in May 1894.  The pages are slanted and sometimes the last column is cut off but at least I can use autohotkey to fill in the blanks and dittos for the odd hours.

Try Matteo's Page joining tool - for when the text you are trying to read is split over two pages (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3489.msg62862#msg62862)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 09 August 2014, 06:23:50
Thanks, Randi. It was only the first few pages that were slanted and sometimes the numbers didn't even show up on the remarks page. It seems to be clear sailing now.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 09 August 2014, 06:24:03
AWOL is Absent WithOut Leave
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/AWOL
You HAVE leave.

OH! I somehow thought it meant AWay On Leave - whoops!  :-[
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 09 August 2014, 08:01:15
Well, you should be away on leave  ;D  What are you doing here?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 09 August 2014, 11:27:04
Sitting at home because it's raining and I can't go swimming.  :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 10 August 2014, 02:05:34
Will the weather be better tomorrow, I hope? :)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 10 August 2014, 05:01:20
Nope, still cloudy and thunderstorms are expected later.  :'(
So because of this and my "blood lust" getting out of control, I'm gonna go and start transcribing the Unalga right away. I can't wait any longer!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 10 August 2014, 05:04:01
 ;D
Under the circumstances, Lieut. Hanibal94 is permitted to use his leave days at a later date.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 11 August 2014, 03:26:54
Reindeer - yeah!  ::)
July 15th 1892 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol72/vol072_087_1.jpg

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9.30 Sent launch in charge of 2nd Asst. Engr. Falkenstein with Surgeon Call to procure reindeer. Trading for Columbian Exposition exhibits.

Received on board during watch fifteen (15) reindeer.

4.45 launch returned with six (6) reindeer.

And also a bit of an explanation for:
December 27 1892 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol071/vol071_026_0.jpg

Packing goods for World's Columbian exposition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_Columbian_Exposition)

I wonder what they were sending?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 11 August 2014, 06:59:52
Yes, I wondered that too. Perhaps some native handicraft if they hadn't already been totally assimilated into the White culture.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 11 August 2014, 18:19:47
Showing 100% complete - woo but not (yet) hoo.

I'm getting August 8th 1892, so at least 4 months of log still to do.  :(
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 11 August 2014, 20:18:15
I might have to take a couple of days off so you may have the honour of completing it, Jil.

Perhaps they didn't take the last log book into account in their calculation of the total number of pages?
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 12 August 2014, 03:30:58
I think it's just the calculation of the percentage rounding the number. With a very long log there's quite a lot of pages left when we reach 99.51% (or whatever point pushes it over from 99% to 100%)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 12 August 2014, 07:51:56
One of my former directors at work had previously been a professor at Laval University. Once, he awarded a student the mark of 100% for an assignment but the computer rejected it - the program only accepted 2 digits. We are often at the mercy of programmers' assumptions. But in this case the advantage is to us. Perhaps we should just accept that the Bear is complete and go on to another ship  ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 12 August 2014, 08:52:19
Did.... did somebody just suggest giving up ? Even though we're at over 99.5% ? THAT IS EXTRA EXTRA HERESY! DON'T MAKE ME *BLAM* YOU!
Get back to your post and finish what's left! No giving up! No backing down! No surrender!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 12 August 2014, 09:24:59
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: tastiger on 12 August 2014, 11:42:31
In 30 hours (give or take) ill be back on duty so as an insentive, if we are done by then ill do 4 months Patterson before anything else :p

If this doesnt sound right this is me trying to join the joshing or whatever its called. Also using the forum with a phone is not easy...
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 12 August 2014, 13:56:10
Nice of you to drop in!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 12 August 2014, 16:44:49
We may leave you a couple of pages if you hurry back, Tastiger.  ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 13 August 2014, 04:23:59
The actual crew are abandonning ship. You wouldn't get us being tempted away by better pecuniary positions!

At St. Michaels, Alaska:
September 13th 1892 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol72/vol072_149_1.jpg
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Discharged at their own request T. Long, coxswain and E. Maynard fireman to permit them to accept better pecuniary positions.

September 14th 1892 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol72/vol072_150_1.jpg
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Discharged J. Finney at his own request to enable him to accept a better pecuniary position.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 13 August 2014, 12:51:38
Not in your life. The pay is too good here.  ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 13 August 2014, 14:28:31
 ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 13 August 2014, 19:17:47
jil passes the 30,000 mark!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 13 August 2014, 19:44:42
Bravo, Jil! You made it just in time with only two months to go to completion.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 14 August 2014, 17:58:39
Yeah! I thought we might run out of logs before I got there.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 16 August 2014, 05:04:09
Well I've reached the end of the Bear logs and I think I'm third transcriber, so we may be done.

I won't quite splice the mainbrace yet in case we've not finished (and it 9am here so a little early - maybe some chocolate cake ... mmm that works  ;) )
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: tastiger on 16 August 2014, 05:50:27
Well I've reached the end of the Bear logs and I think I'm third transcriber, so we may be done.

I won't quite splice the mainbrace yet in case we've not finished (and it 9am here so a little early - maybe some chocolate cake ... mmm that works  ;) )
Im getting November 24th, so not done. Ill try to get to them when i wake up.  :)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 16 August 2014, 06:46:36
It doesn't say VAL, so I would say it isn't done yet.
Methinks tastiger got thrown into the one stream that isn't finished - so when he does those last few weeks (December 12th is the last day), she will be completely done.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 16 August 2014, 08:05:10
Well the cake was to celebrate me finishing then.

That means I can have more when we're completely done.  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 August 2014, 08:31:34
 ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: lollia paolina on 16 August 2014, 10:07:09
My voyage on board Bear is over :) :) :)

There must be a few pages left and I hope they will be added soon :)

Perhaps tastiger will be able to do that :)

 :) :) :)


Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 August 2014, 10:29:17
It must be done because when I click on transcribe I am sent to another ship.





Congratulations to All !
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 16 August 2014, 11:08:12
Same thing with me - I also get sent to another ship, even thought the button still says "Transcribe logs".
I think we had a similar problem with the last few ships to be finished: They didn't hit VAL automatically, the tech team had to go and do it manually.

I'll tell the PTB to change her [Unalga II] to VAL - she is DONE.  When I go to transcribe, I get sent to Albatross.  :D




WE DID IT! THE BEAR IS DONE AT LAST! WOOHOO!

(http://www.macslocalbuys.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/rainbow-party.jpg)

Congratulations to all those who worked on her, especially Silvia, Craig, Rainbow Dash me, DennisO, Jil, Stuart and tastiger. At 340.589 WR, this is the largest victory in OW history - more than twice as many WR as the seven previous completed Phase 3 ships combined. That's a lot of data.
I am very proud to have been a part of this, and I look forward to further victories in the future.

Hanibal94 (currently serving on Unalga, hoping to have finished work on her by then end of the year)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 August 2014, 11:27:48
I have duly notified the PTB ;)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 16 August 2014, 11:30:04
Excellent news, well done to everyone - virtual cake all round!!!!!!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 16 August 2014, 11:50:33
Congratulations all! A wonderful accomplishment, and a huge thank you!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: tastiger on 16 August 2014, 15:56:52
Darn it overslept. Congrats to everyone! :D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 16 August 2014, 16:11:37
Wouldn't you know it, I went away for one day and look what happens.  ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 August 2014, 16:15:14
It would be interesting to see if that is repeatable ;)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Danny252 on 16 August 2014, 16:17:44
The actual crew are abandonning ship. You wouldn't get us being tempted away by better pecuniary positions!

At St. Michaels, Alaska:
September 13th 1892 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol72/vol072_149_1.jpg
Quote
Discharged at their own request T. Long, coxswain and E. Maynard fireman to permit them to accept better pecuniary positions.

September 14th 1892 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol72/vol072_150_1.jpg
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Discharged J. Finney at his own request to enable him to accept a better pecuniary position.

Whilst looking up some other shipping news, I found some articles that mentioned wage troubles on the Bear (http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=SFC19000506.2.115&srpos=10&e=------190-en--20--1-byDA-txt-txIN-bear+tuttle------) - perhaps we ought to strike and get Randi to negotiate better pay for us transcribers!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 August 2014, 16:30:25
Perhaps a 10% raise? ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Danny252 on 16 August 2014, 16:31:05
An excellent deal!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 16 August 2014, 17:06:43
Interesting find Danny!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Danny252 on 16 August 2014, 17:31:31
And having reached the end of the Bear's logs, I think it's quite fitting to see her entry into the US Navy (http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=LAH18840201.2.13&srpos=1&e=--1884-----en--20--1-byDA-txt-txIN-greeley+bear------#) :)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Maikel on 17 August 2014, 03:44:16
For those who don't want to leave Bear, part of her logs are already available for editing on Naval History. :)
www.naval-history.net/OW-US/USAShipsIndex.htm (http://www.naval-history.net/OW-US/USAShipsIndex.htm)
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 17 August 2014, 08:09:08
Or, we could do the Thetis, another Revenue Cutter in the Pacific Fleet that often tags along with the Bear. It's only 15% complete.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 17 August 2014, 08:38:40
Or if you want a complete change, you'd be most welcome aboard Pioneer - no risk of running out of her logs for some time yet ....  :D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 17 August 2014, 08:51:11
That's tempting, Helen. It only has 7 WRs per page when in port, Unlike the Thetis. It is doing surveys, like the Yukon.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: tastiger on 17 August 2014, 09:12:53
Or Patterson like me for small comment sections and small weathet readings. :D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 17 August 2014, 11:29:11
That's tempting, Helen. It only has 7 WRs per page when in port, Unlike the Thetis. It is doing surveys, like the Yukon.

Please let yourself be tempted - it would be so good to make some rather more rapid progress.  And yes she does surveys - so at the moment (I've reached 1928) I'm using the Pacific Pilot of 1931 to which she must have contributed when I'm trying to track down place names, which is rather satisfying.

And as an extra incentive, hanibal has noted all the lists of officers, and I'm sending in all the crew changes for the men as I come across them, so as long as I remain ahead of you, you don't need to bother with them, thus increasing your transcription rate.   ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 17 August 2014, 11:58:16
Helen's right. She's done a most excellent job as First Lieutenant on the Pioneer - the only way it could be better would be if she gave up editing and devoted 100% of her OW time to transcribing, like me  ;D.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 17 August 2014, 12:50:37
Thank you for your kind words, Cap'n.  But I'm not going to be lured away from my editing .... I enjoy the variety too much.

I am getting towards the end of Hibernia - but I know that as soon as I send her in I'll be begging for another file.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: yellowknifer1 on 02 September 2014, 04:00:09
I have an envelope mailed on board the USS Bear on 10 September 1942.  I can send or post a scan if anyone is interested.  I would very much like to know where the ship was in September 1942.  Is a log available?  Thank you.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 02 September 2014, 04:22:03
We'd love to see a scan, if you have it.  At the moment we only have the first half of Bear's logs, going from 1884 to 1912.  Her total history is summarized on our history site, http://naval-history.net/OW-US/Bear/USRC_Bear.htm

A sealer launched in 1874, she went to Greenland for the Navy in 1884, and was then transferred to the Revenue Cutter Service (now the Coast Guard), then decommissioned from the Coast Guard in 1929, and given to Oakland, CA, as a museum ship.  Purchased by Admiral Richard Byrd, USN, in the 1930s, she went to the Antarctic with him (as a privately owned ship) for both the 1933-34 and 1939-41 expeditions.  In WW2 the Navy recommissioned her and put her on Greenland patrol.  A very long-lived interesting ship.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: yellowknifer1 on 27 September 2014, 01:26:37
Sorry for the delay in posting the scan as I was away from home on holidays.  In any event, here it is.  Does a log exist for 1942?  Is it possible to get a scan of the ship's movements in September 1942?  Thanks.

Kevin O'Reilly
Yellowknife Canada
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 27 September 2014, 03:03:49
Does a log exist for 1942? 
There is a log for at least part of 1942

Is it possible to get a scan of the ship's movements in September 1942?
Keep checking the forum.
You should be able to get access to the ship's log pages.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 10 December 2014, 20:41:04
Yelloknife1 I have sent you a PM with a link to the Sept. 1942 logs for the USS Bear.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: yellowknifer1 on 11 December 2014, 02:27:30
Many thanks for kindly looking up this log book and posting the pages.  The envelope that I scanned and posted was mailed when the Bear was at Coral Harbour on Southampton Island, Northwest Territories, Canada.  This was the site of a US air base that was used as part of the Crimson Project to ferry aircraft and troops to Europe via a northern air route. 

Kevin O'Reilly
Yellowknife NWT
Canada
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 08 July 2015, 22:08:00
Concord said, "Hi!" when we met you in Dutch Harbor on 01 and 02 August, 1903.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 04 September 2017, 17:09:55
Bear to the rescue... http://alaskaweb.org/maritime/jasallenwreck.html

https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919218/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol075/26-159A-bear-vol075_058.jpg
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919218/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol075/26-159A-bear-vol075_060.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 05 September 2017, 17:05:25
Bear to the rescue... http://alaskaweb.org/maritime/jasallenwreck.html

https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919218/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol075/26-159A-bear-vol075_058.jpg
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919218/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol075/26-159A-bear-vol075_060.jpg

Oh my goodness....what horrors and deprivations.  :'( :'(
Hurrah for the Bear!  :D :D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 06 September 2017, 22:25:42
The BEAR is laying out Melville-Bryant Drift Casks in 1901...

http://www.geographicalsociety.org/New/archive/drift-cask-project/
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 11 September 2017, 17:52:07
Ran across a mention of the 'submarine sentry' in the Bear 1914 log while editing ice obs. It is a kite that swims below the ship at a given guard depth (12 ftms in this case) that will sound a gong if it hits the bottom, hence warning of shoal water. I've never heard of this device before. Described in detail in this 1891 text from Science magazine (page down): https://archive.org/stream/jstor-1765472/1765472_djvu.txt

Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 11 September 2017, 18:06:26
 8) 8) 8)
Thanks, Kevin!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 12 November 2017, 00:37:08
Sorry for the delay in posting the scan as I was away from home on holidays.  In any event, here it is.  Does a log exist for 1942?  Is it possible to get a scan of the ship's movements in September 1942?  Thanks.

Kevin O'Reilly
Yellowknife Canada

Available in the National Archives: https://catalog.archives.gov/id/7794798

The link for 10 Sept is: https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/7794798/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/594258-navy-deck-logs/batch-y/Bear-AG-29-1942-09/Bear-AG-29-1942-09-0015.jpg

Location: Coral Harbour, Southampton Island
http://www4.rncan.gc.ca/search-place-names/unique/OAPJN



Oops! :-[ :-[ :-[

In my haste to reply, I failed to note that Kevin had already replied.

If you have any other questions, don't hesitate to ask!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 04 February 2018, 14:36:54
Looking through the 1884 Bear log for ice hunting found the following harrowing stuff.
The logbook link is  https://catalog.archives.gov/id/6919159  pages 102 onwards if you want further details. 

Greely Arctic Rescue Mission

22nd June 1884
About 8 party under Lieut Taunt(?) discovered a cairn on Brevoost(?) Island containing records of Lieut Greely stating that on 26th October 1883 he established permanent camp halfway between Cocked Hat Island and Cape Sabine, having at that time 40 days rations. Got under way at once, Comd'r Schley coming on board this ship.  Steam launch in meantime found camp of Lieut Greely's party, landed finding Lieut Greely + six men alive.  The remainder of party dead of starvation.  Comd'r Schley and Lieut Emory landed at once with surgeon of ship, medical stores and provisions. 

Sergts Fredericks, Long, and Ellison U.S.Signal Corps of the Greely party came on board.

23rd June 1884
Lying to off camp of Lieut Greely and communicating by whale boats and steam launch with the shore to bring off survivors of the Greely expedition as well a records, relics+c.  Latter named articles as soon as brought on board, were collected and put together, some in main hold + some in cabin.  received on board Sergts Long, Frederick, + Ellison, the first two in a very weak condition; the last having both feet frozen off as well as the fingers and thumbs of both hands, and he was very weak and much exhausted.

Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 04 February 2018, 14:50:02
Wow!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 05 February 2018, 02:36:04
June 27
At 6 while forcing way through between two large floes, Hans the Esquimo jumped over the side and ran towards the glacier about two miles distant.  Started with the ship full speed to head him off.  Steamed as far as we could + sent two men in chase, and being fresh, soon overtook him + brought him alongside.  During the chase one man fell through the ice up to his neck but with the assistance of his chum was soon out.  Hans could give no explanation of his conduct and when brought on board was placed in single irons for safe keeping.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 05 February 2018, 05:47:55
July 5th 1884 Godhaven Harbor, Greenland
The surgeons of the Thetis and the Alert came aboard and assisted the surgeon of this ship in operating on Sergt Ellison U.S. Signal Corps.

July 8th 1884 Godhaven Harbor, Greenland
Joseph Ellison (Corporal 10th U.S. Infantry), member of Lt. Greely's party, received at Cape Sabine, died at 3.30

Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 07 February 2018, 14:44:06
June 8th 1887 Belkofski, Shumagin Islds
http://research.archives.gov/description/6919207   image 25
Mr C.H.Hastings fisherman, came on board requesting passage to Ounalaska, as he desired to deliver himself up to the U.S authorities for shooting and killing a man, as he claims, in self defence.

The medical officer of the ship, on visiting the settlement, found much sickness among the inhabitants.  Rendered all possible assistance by attending the sick and supplying them with medicine
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 07 February 2018, 15:15:42
June 30th 1887 Ounalaska Harbor
http://research.archives.gov/description/6919207  image 47
Alaska Commercial Co's steamer "Dora" arrived from St Michaels, bringing the information of the murder of right Rev. Segiers, formerly arch Bishop of Portland, O. by Frank Fuller, now at large at St Micheals.  Comdg. Officer was requested by judge J.Johnson to arrest and bring the murderer to justice and with the approval of Comdg. officer, 3' Lieutenant C.W.Kennedy was sworn in as deputy marshal to perform that duty

July 6 1887 St Michaels
image 53
Lieut Kennedy with armed boats crew went on shore to arrest Frank Fuller for the murder of Right Rev. Segiers

at 7.15 Lieut Kennedy returned with prisoner


July 7 1887 St Michaels
image 54
3'Lieut Kennedy went on shore and brought on board George Senika witness in the murder case of Right Rev Seegers to be carried to Ounalaska

Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 08 February 2018, 02:09:21
July 9 1887 Port Clarence
http://research.archives.gov/description/6919207 image 56
Received information that two survivors of wrecked Whaling Bark Napoleon, were detained by indian tribe at or in the vicinity of Cape Navarin.

July 14 1887 Cape Navarin
http://research.archives.gov/description/6919207 image 61
at 6.15 sent boat on shore in charge of 1'Lieut to obtain if possible information of J.B.Vinsent, a wrecked sailor.  supposed to be in the vicinity of Cape Navarin

July 15 1887 Cape Navarin
http://research.archives.gov/description/6919207 image 62
at 5.40 boat in charge of 1st Lieut went ashore to continue the search of yesterday

July 16 1887
http://research.archives.gov/description/6919207 image 63
at 7.50 boat in charge of 1st Lieut left the ship to pull close along ashore to look for traces of habitation  Vessel steaming slowly Southd along the land

Steaming to Sd. along the land.  Keeping lookout aloft  at 9.20 saw natives on the beach having signal hoisted to attract attention, steamed closer in shore and at 9.30 in 6 3/4 faths of water came to anchor and veered to 25 faths on starboard chain  sent 2d cutter in charge of Lieut Kennedy on shore  at 11.15 both cutters returned, bringing one native to act as guide and information that a white man could be found some miles SWd of Cape Navarin


July 17 1887
http://research.archives.gov/description/6919207 image 64

at 3.30 prepared to land a party of officers and men in search of J.B.Vincent

at 4.15 boat with officers and men of the searching party left the ship  issued 50 lbs pork and 20 quarts of beans as a supply for the party

at 11 boat returned with searching party bringing J.B.Vincent the survivor of Whaling Bark Napoleon wrecked off the coast in May 1885.

Sent boats on shore with the following articles for the natives as a reward for help extended to survivor of Bark Napoleon - 800 lbs bread, 10 gals molasses, 250 lbs flour, 40 lbs pork, 6 quarts of beans, 1 Rifle 100 cartridges
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 08 February 2018, 02:26:08
July 10 1887 Port Clarence
http://research.archives.gov/description/6919207 image 57
At 9a.m- the master of Bark Pearl, came on board and requested assistance, the crew of his vessel having refused to go to duty, Sent an officer and armed boats crew.  at 10.30 boats crew returned from Bark Pearl, after having seen the crew return to duty
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 13 February 2018, 18:34:48
For those interested in the Greely Relief Expedition and ships (Bear, Thetis, Alert) there are a bunch of photos collected on an old website of mine here:
https://www.pmel.noaa.gov/arctic-zone/ipy-1/US-LFB-P1.htm

and a PBS American Experience docu: https://youtu.be/9dJd8uAZB84


Looking through the 1884 Bear log for ice hunting found the following harrowing stuff.
The logbook link is  https://catalog.archives.gov/id/6919159  pages 102 onwards if you want further details. 

Greely Arctic Rescue Mission

22nd June 1884
About 8 party under Lieut Taunt(?) discovered a cairn on Brevoost(?) Island containing records of Lieut Greely stating that on 26th October 1883 he established permanent camp halfway between Cocked Hat Island and Cape Sabine, having at that time 40 days rations. Got under way at once, Comd'r Schley coming on board this ship.  Steam launch in meantime found camp of Lieut Greely's party, landed finding Lieut Greely + six men alive.  The remainder of party dead of starvation.  Comd'r Schley and Lieut Emory landed at once with surgeon of ship, medical stores and provisions. 

Sergts Fredericks, Long, and Ellison U.S.Signal Corps of the Greely party came on board.

23rd June 1884
Lying to off camp of Lieut Greely and communicating by whale boats and steam launch with the shore to bring off survivors of the Greely expedition as well a records, relics+c.  Latter named articles as soon as brought on board, were collected and put together, some in main hold + some in cabin.  received on board Sergts Long, Frederick, + Ellison, the first two in a very weak condition; the last having both feet frozen off as well as the fingers and thumbs of both hands, and he was very weak and much exhausted.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jd570b on 25 June 2018, 21:33:34
1890-06-23

Revenue Steamer "Bear"
Cape Navarin, Siberia

Merid. to 4 PM
Comd'g Officer went ashore to communicate with Indians in regard to Government presents.

4 to 6 PM
Distributed Government presents among twenty (20) of Indians instrumental in extending hospitalities to J. B. Vincent and others of Napoleon's Crew. Sent messengers over country to summon Chiefs of Deermen to meet the "Bear".

8 PM to Midn.
Deermen Chiefs visited Comd'g Officer

https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919210/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol068/26-159A-bear-vol068_058.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jd570b on 25 June 2018, 22:49:29
1890-06-24

Revenue Steamer "Bear"
Cape Navarin, Siberia

8 AM to Merid.
Distributed presents to Woncheat Toiack and the father of Outourak and the mother of Yardgidigan (Indians named by J. B. Vincent as especially instrumental in his preservation) and to twenty-five (25) other Deermen and Indians of the vicinity. Crew handling presents as required.

Merid. to 4 PM
Landed Indians and presents.

https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919210/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol068/26-159A-bear-vol068_059.jpg
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 25 June 2018, 23:09:32
Very cool!
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 26 June 2018, 15:17:53
For those interested in the Greely Relief Expedition and ships (Bear, Thetis, Alert) there are a bunch of photos collected on an old website of mine here:
https://www.pmel.noaa.gov/arctic-zone/ipy-1/US-LFB-P1.htm

and a PBS American Experience docu: https://youtu.be/9dJd8uAZB84

I watched the documentary last night. It was very well done.
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jd570b on 26 June 2018, 22:49:41
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there are a bunch of photos

That's an understatement!!   ;) ;)

VERY nice, I loose myself in period photos way to easily!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 20 November 2019, 20:48:50
This reply is sadly too late, but as I am currently trawling this topic I thought to settle a small mystery.  The logkeeper of the Navarch spells 'sled' as 'slade'. The whalers often spell phonetically, and just to keep you on your toes, not necessarily consistently so.  :)



Can you make out what is written on the last page (October 14th)?

"One glade left the ship with 7 sacks of flour. 12 glade arrived at 4 PM"   ???


Sorry, Randi, I was referring to the Navarch log book the Jil found.

I just got to the non-standard Bear logs that Sylvia mentioned on April 24.

The ship could be around Seattle because the temperatures haven't been much above 70 in July. Or it could even be farther north because we used to occasionally get into the 80s in Vancouver.

If fact, having finished the month of July I am convinced that the Bear must be up north, perhaps at Unalaska. The highs are in the high 50s or low 60s in early August.

This page: https://archive.org/stream/logbookofnavarch00nava#page/46/mode/2up ?

Looking at the S in Ship, I think it might be an S rather than a G, but I'm afraid that that doesn't help much.

Title: Re: Bear -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 20 November 2019, 20:58:30

This reply is sadly too late, but as I am currently trawling this topic I thought to settle a small mystery.  The logkeeper of the Navarch spells 'sled' as 'slade'. The whalers often spell phonetically, and just to keep you on your toes, not necessarily consistently so.  :)



Things are getting badl for the steamer Navarch

Quote
Sent Exec. Officer Lieut. Jarvis to the whaling vessels. Upon his return Lt. Jarvis reported that the masters of the whaling vessels thought the situation of the "Navarch" critical and thought that the captain of the "Navarch" should at least send his wife over the ice where the "Bear" made to off where the vessel was fast.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USRC%20Bear/vol078/vol078_109_1.jpg
The logbook of the Navarch for 1897 is on line (https://archive.org/details/logbookofnavarch00nava)  8)


Can you make out what is written on the last page (October 14th)?

"One glade left the ship with 7 sacks of flour. 12 glade arrived at 4 PM"   ???


Sorry, Randi, I was referring to the Navarch log book the Jil found.

I just got to the non-standard Bear logs that Sylvia mentioned on April 24.

The ship could be around Seattle because the temperatures haven't been much above 70 in July. Or it could even be farther north because we used to occasionally get into the 80s in Vancouver.

If fact, having finished the month of July I am convinced that the Bear must be up north, perhaps at Unalaska. The highs are in the high 50s or low 60s in early August.

This page: https://archive.org/stream/logbookofnavarch00nava#page/46/mode/2up ?

Looking at the S in Ship, I think it might be an S rather than a G, but I'm afraid that that doesn't help much.