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Library => The voyages, the work, the people, the places => Topic started by: Caro on 17 November 2012, 09:45:09
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One of Coast Guard cutter Unalga's more extravagant shopping lists:
Received
the following stores for use in the general mess: from LA MONSERRAT
BAKERY, 20 pounds bread and 07 (seven) pound rolls; from CASELLAS ICE
PLANT, 50 pounds ice; from MENDEZ MARTINEZ CO, 500 pounds Irish potatoes
and 100 pounds onions; from PALICITA SAN JOSE, 30 pounds bananas, 450
pounds pork and beans, 50 pounds string beans, 100 pounds oranges, 60
pounds tomatoes, 30 pounds turnips; from MARCIAL FIGUEROA, 50 pounds
carrots; from NAVAL AIR STATION on requisition number C-41-42, 196
pounds flour, 36 pounds crackers, 100 pounds coffee, 261 pounds
evaporated milk, 105 pounds pork shoulder, 129 pounds veal leg, 78
pounds turkey, 106 pounds ham, 50 pounds frankfurters, 123 pounds canned
pears, 180 pounds canned pineapple, 192 pounds jam, 100 pounds beans,
120 pounds corn, 123 pounds string beans, 93 pounds canned peas, 57
pounds spinach, 80 pounds tomatoes (canned), 60 pounds baking powder, 12
gallons salad oil, 200 pounds sugar, 4 pints vinegar, 120 pounds
butter, 30 dozen eggs, 30 pounds milk, 10 pounds yeast, 167 pounds beef
round, 100 pounds rice.
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Pear and banana crumble with custard anyone?
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Or pineapple upside down pudding? (Also with custard of course)
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I've never bought milk by the pound. If a pint of pure water
weighs a pound and a quarter, how many pints of milk to 30 pounds?
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I've
never bought milk by the pound. If a pint of pure water weighs a
pound and a quarter, how many pints of milk to 30 pounds?
A gallon of pure water weighs 8.33 lbs.
So a pint would weigh 1.04 lbs. = 16.66 oz.
1 fluid ounce of water weighs 1.04 oz.
I
kinda figure, the merchants/farmers who decided 1 fluid ounce equals 1
weight ounce were weighing either some good alcoholic beverage or
cream-heavy milk, that had a density of 0.96 ;)
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I went looking, and milk is too complicated to weigh. I'm guessing 30 lbs would be anything between 28 to 31 pints.
from an agricultural school site - googling is fun!
The density of milk (g/mL) changes with temperature.
For example, the density of milk = 1.003073 - 0.000179t - 0.000368F + 0.00374N,
where t = temperature in degrees C; F = percent fat; and N = percent nonfat solids
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It's funny the way minds work, I can't easily work with American
recipes giving 'cups' yet I know that my (old) tablespoon will give me
1oz flour heaped and 1 oz sugar flattened and regularly use it when
baking.
Reading the entry I had no mental picture of whether the
milk was a lot or a little and had to start working it out, first as you
did with water and then wondering how cream -light- and protein, sugar
and salts -heavy- interacted. Of course, the milk wouldn't have
kept for long because I doubt if it was pasteurised so the initial
purchase was quite generous.
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I thought it was probably powdered milk.
The quantity of milk that is delivered regularly from the dairy is given in gallons.
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Yes, I was wondering about powdered - or canned (tinned ;)).
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Going metric (so much easier ;))...
1 litre of water weighs approximately 1 kilogram
1 litre of milk weighs approximately 1.03 kilogram
I'll
leave it up to you to convert this to (either American or British)
cups, quarts, pints, gallons, teaspoons, ounce, oz, lbs, stones and what
have you ;D
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A possible explanation: included on this day's list is 261 pounds milk evaporated (plus the inevitable 21/2 gallons of ice cream). ;D
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plus the inevitable 21/2 gallons of ice cream
They'll soon stop taking ice-cream (as well as recording "position when relieved" on each watch change while at sea) :-\ :'(
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Thetis - Feb 1887
following stores 30.5 bbls* pork, 14.5 bbls beef, 4 bbls vinegar, 4 bbls molasses, 14 kegs pickles**
Received
the following stores in Pay. Dept. 38 boxes of Coffee, 12 boxes of
Tomatoes, 10 boxes of butter, 4 bbls rice; 10 bbls of Flour.
Received in Paymasters. Department. 17 bbls Granulated Sugar. 12 half bbls split peas, 9 bbls beans, 5 half bbls bacon.
Received
in Pay Dept. 6 Kegs of bacon, 29 boxes of canned vegetables, 20 boxes
oatmeal, 21 boxes preserved meat; 5 boxes of tea, 11 boxes bacon, 4
boxes cranberry sauce, 2 boxes evaporated peaches, 3 boxes evaporated
apples.
4 bbls bread
*bbl.
abbr. barrel - http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bbl.
** pickle
1. A solution of salt and water, in which fish, meat, etc., may be preserved or corned; brine.
2. Any article of food which has been preserved in
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http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition/pickle
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All you want to know about pounds of milk:
http://familycow.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=raw&action=display&thread=12870
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Thetis: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Thetis/vol004of024/vol004_069_1.jpg
Received in Equipment Dept. :-
..., 1 fish kettle, 1 kneading trough, 1 soapstone griddle, 1 cleaver,
1 cook's knife + fork, 1 iron spoon, 1 pastry board, 6 baking cups,
1 copper tea kettle, 1 iron -do- 2 frying pans, 2 sauce pans, 5 pie
plates, 1 collender, 1 sieve, 1 strainer, 1 cake lifter, 1 chopping knife
1 dredge box, 1 dish pan, 1 iron griddle, 1 baking pan, 1 roasting pan,
1 iron pot, 1 waffle iron, 1 dust brush, 1 knife box, 1 gridiron
1 wire griddle, 1 steamer, 1 chopping board, 1 rolling pin, 1 frying
pan, 1 knife board, 1 coffee mill, ...
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They sound ready for any culinary challenge with all that lot!
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What's the '1 small tormentor' for? Some cunning gremlin that makes
the fruit drop in your cakes? A cunning elf that leaves the bottom of
the pies soggy? ::) ;D
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But how many would they be cooking for, I wish they'd put some sizes in.
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The 'tormentor' is at the end with lines and cables; I don't think
it is kitchen gear. What it really is, is still a
puzzlement. Google searches only turn up destroyer and later shore
establishment HMS Tormentor, and an online game.
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While I am tempted to suggest that "1 small tormentor" might be the
ship's cat, according to my 1973 dictionary "tormentor" can mean "a long
meat fork".
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Now that would indicate that the ship's cooks knew how to take out
their frustrations (on the meat!) about every crew member who complained
about their cooking! Makes you wonder how many faces got painted
on the side of beef. ;D
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I wondered about the small tormenter too, but I didn't find anything - or rather I found too much.
"a long meat fork" is interesting, but as Janet says, it is not with the kitchen equipment
200 fms 1.5 in Manila, 74 lbs. 1 small tormentor, 9 lengths leading hose, (Linen), 15 bbls. sand.
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OK, it's not with the kitchen equipment, but
http://www.finedictionary.com/tormentor.html specifically says it is "a
long fork used by a ship's cook to take meat out of the
coppers". Maybe the logkeeper copied out the list of kitchen
stuff, moved on to the cables, then realized he'd omitted the tormentor
so just put it in next? Although a small, long fork does seem a bit odd ...
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I think you are right ;D
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Just think about all those cows quarters that ended up in the drink
during loading...how many did we record? A meat fork that's good for all
eventualities has to be useful on a ship - space is always at a premium
you know - a good meat fork cannot afford to be choosey about where it
appears on the list. Life in the kitchen is obvious, but you can stand
out when you're in someone else's tackle list. ::)
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Jamestown - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_050_0.jpg
Yesterday: "Opened a Barrel of Beef and found it deficient 15 lbs."
Today: "In serving out a barrel of provisions, a barrel of Pork was found deficient 35 lbs."
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You will get tired of reporting this sort of thing, Randi. They have
a couple of bad barrels every week. You have to wonder about the
quality of the ones they don't throw overboard.
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It must be hard to keep ships' chandlers honest - their clients
don't stay put long enough to dump the defective barrels back in their
own front yard to cope with.
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I seem to remember hearing something to the effect that in the
Spanish Civil War (?) the bad food killed more soldiers than the
bullets.
Not sure if that was a real study or if someone was trying to make a point.
:-\
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I
seem to remember hearing something to the effect that in the Spanish
Civil War (?) the bad food killed more soldiers than the bullets.
Not sure if that was a real study or if someone was trying to make a point.
:-\
I
know so little about the Spanish Civil War, so I recently bought "The
Battle for Spain" by Anthony Beevor. I haven't yet found the time
to read it (it's quite a weighty volume!) but I've just had a quick look
in the index. I can't see anything to confirm that statement, but
it is clear that food shortages were a massive factor for the
republican side, though the author does say that the troops were
generally fed better than the civilian population.
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I
seem to remember hearing something to the effect that in the Spanish
Civil War (?) the bad food killed more soldiers than the bullets.
Not sure if that was a real study or if someone was trying to make a point.
:-\
Close - it may have been the Spanish American war you were thinking of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_beef_scandal
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Yes, thanks that is it!
I remember reading Upton Sinclair's book The Jungle a long time ago - and I still remember some of the details quite clearly.
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I think it is a general rule that disease (including food-borne)
always took a surprisingly heavy toll compared to actual combat up until
fairly recently.
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Jamestown - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol001of067/vol001of067_050_0.jpg
Yesterday: "Opened a Barrel of Beef and found it deficient 15 lbs."
Today: "In serving out a barrel of provisions, a barrel of Pork was found deficient 35 lbs."
You
will get tired of reporting this sort of thing, Randi. They have a
couple of bad barrels every week. You have to wonder about the quality
of the ones they don't throw overboard.
I just had a comment saying "discovered a Barrel of Pork to be 9 lbs deficient"
It
sounds more like they are reporting that the barrel wasn't as
full/heavy as it should have been rather than saying that it was bad
(though it probably wasn't good ::)).
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I remember that the rum barrels were often reported to be not as full as they should have been on HMS Patuca.
:)
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I remember that the rum barrels were often reported to be not as full as they should have been on HMS Patuca.
:)
Yes,
I remember that too. It always rather amused me that they
faithfully noted it down, but never seemed to do anything about it - or
at least there were no records of anyone being hauled over the coals for
helping themselves!
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...
Also from New Scientist 27/07/2013. The Last Word.
"By the way, US Navy cooks traditionally cracked a raw egg into brewing coffee to clarify the Joe."[/color]
Be
polite in your laughter - my grandmother did the same thing when she
was making a very large urn of coffee for a big to-do and wanted it to
taste very good. :)
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About missing rum:
TO BLEED (SUCK) THE MONKEY
To extract rum from a barrel by boring a small hole in the barrel or cask.
From: http://www.hmsrichmond.org/dict_b.htm
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5 Oct 1845:
Received from the Store Ship 17 Bbls of Bread 3 Bbls of Butter and 4 Boxes of Cocoa.
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Generally,
however, the Sailor of bygone days was content to sink his chops into a
meal that was called "lobscouse," "daddyfunk," or "plumduff." Then for
an after dinner demitasse he would wash it down with "pale ale." As an
added attraction, if the menu did not suit his culinary taste he could
try some "schooner on the rocks." The term "lobscouse" came into being
as a byword for what we now call hash. It was a concoction of meat,
vegetables and hardtack, and was usually stewed. "Daddyfunk" was a messy
concoction of hardtack soaked in water and bake with grease and
molasses. "Plumduff" was originally a plain flour pudding containing
raisins or currants, boiled in a bag or cloth. "Schooner on the rocks"
was the nautical name for to a roast beef surrounded by potatoes, and
"pale ale" is known to us today as water.
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There was no
refrigeration aboard ship in olden days. Foodstuffs were apt to spoil
easily, and as a result the cook's tasks were made even harder. Fresh
meat was carried only in small quantities and fresh vegetables were
almost unheard of. When ships were in foreign ports hunting parties were
organized to seek fresh meat. In larger ships and on short passages,
live beasts were carried for fresh meat, but on long voyages oxen, like
men, could get scurvy too, or at any rate thin down to uselessness, and
sheep took poorly to the sea life. In good weather hens prospered and
about the only animal to prosper at sea was the goat, and the goats
prospered always.
Jack-of-the-Dust.
Jack o' the Dust. Person in charge of breaking out provisions for the
food service operation. Originates with the British Navy.
"Jack," a Royal Navy sailor, who worked in the bakery and was covered
with flour dust. Also, "Dusty."
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8) The Jamestown 1844 gets "fresh vegetables for the
crew" when in port. Those sailors must have been the lucky ones!
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Lots of lists of supplies received on Vicksburg starting with:
what's for dinner?
Nagasaki Japan Apr 11, 1903: fresh meat, bread, potatoes, eggs
Nagasaki Japan Apr 13, 1903: veal, bread, potatoes
Nagasaki Japan Apr 14, 1903: potatoes, sausage, liver, eggs
Nagasaki Japan Apr 15, 1903: highland cream, beef, potatoes, carrots, turnips, eggs, beef
Nagasaki Japan Apr 16, 1903: bread
Nagasaki Japan Apr 17, 1903: beef, minced meat, bread, eggs, pork chops, beef, potatoes
Nagasaki
Japan Apr 18, 1903: beef, potatoes, onions, carrot sticks, eggs, corned
beef, tomatoes, pea beans, prunes, dried apples, salt pork, salt beef,
swiss milk, sugar, hops, rice,
Nagasaki Japan Apr 19, 1903: bread, ?, liver
Nagasaki Japan Apr 21, 1903: beef, potatoes, salt
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So - April the 16th was party day then?! ('bread'...let's hope it was multigrain :P)
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Lots of lists of supplies received on Vicksburg starting with:
what's for dinner?
Nagasaki Japan Apr 11, 1903: fresh meat, bread, potatoes, eggs
Nagasaki Japan Apr 13, 1903: veal, bread, potatoes
Nagasaki Japan Apr 14, 1903: potatoes, sausage, liver, eggs
Nagasaki Japan Apr 15, 1903: highland cream, beef, potatoes, carrots, turnips, eggs, beef
Nagasaki Japan Apr 16, 1903: bread
Nagasaki Japan Apr 17, 1903: beef, minced meat, bread, eggs, pork chops, beef, potatoes
Nagasaki
Japan Apr 18, 1903: beef, potatoes, onions, carrot sticks, eggs, corned
beef, tomatoes, pea beans, prunes, dried apples, salt pork, salt beef,
swiss milk, sugar, hops, rice,
Nagasaki Japan Apr 19, 1903: bread, ?, liver
Nagasaki Japan Apr 21, 1903: beef, potatoes, salt
That
entry for the 18th of April is very weird. Swiss milk, hops & rice.
Not sure what Swiss milk is but hops are not edible, in any form that I
can think of. They are the dried flowers of a plant. They have a
wonderful aroma, but would not taste of that. I guess they could be used
as a herb, but have never heard of that. They do not even taste bitter
unless boiled in acidic solution, whereupon the bitterness extracts into
the liquid.
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Beverages
The
only major commercial use for hops is in beer, although hops are also
an ingredient in Julmust, a carbonated beverage similar to soda that is
popular in Sweden during December, as well as Malta, a Latin American
soft drink. Hops are sometimes added to some varieties of kvass. They
are also used for flavor in some tisanes.
Medicinal
Hops
are also used in herbal medicine in a way similar to valerian, as a
treatment for anxiety, restlessness, and insomnia.[34] A pillow filled
with hops is a popular folk remedy for sleeplessness, and animal
research has shown a sedative effect.[35] The relaxing effect of hops
may be due, in part, to the specific chemical component dimethylvinyl
carbinol.[36][37] Hops tend to be unstable when exposed to light or air
and lose their potency after a few months' storage.
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Tablet is sometimes referred to as Swiss Milk tablet (Swiss Milk being a term used by some for condensed milk) or butter tablet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_%28confectionery%29
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I'm reading Two Years Before the Mast.
In July 1835, they are going around Cape Horn and the author makes the comment:
I
never knew a sailor, in my life, who would not prefer a pot of hot
coffee or chocolate, in a cold night, to all the rum afloat.
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??? He's obviously never met any of our guys (With apologies
to all the sober and well-behaved men who therefore never get
mentioned!)
And anyway wouldn't you just stick the rum in the hot chocolate or coffee and get the best of both worlds :)
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;D
Keep in mind that he does specify a cold night.
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Jamestown (1886)
31/03/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol058of067/vol058of067_014_1.jpg
Rec in Pay Dept. Mch 31
420 lbs split peas
1244 " Rice
250 " Butter
400 " Ham
340 " Coffee
50 " Tea
189 " Pickles
~60 " Canned Vegetables
236 " Sugar
300 " Candles
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Hmmmm...
Sweet buttered rice is nice. Bar the tea, coffee and
candles, the rest would make a fine pea & ham soup. The candles
would make it a romantic meal...and as someone who can't cope with
alcohol, tea and coffee sound good. I'll eat with them :D oh no -
I'm allergic to meat - blow! :(
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How about split pea and rice soup?
Perhaps the canned vegetables could be sauteed in butter and added to the soup :-\
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Albatross 10th May 1905 Sausalito,Cal.
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Received
from General Storekeeper, Navy Yard Mare Isld. by U.S.Tug Unadilla, the
following articles of provisions, viz:- 16 box. Apples, dried 11
bbl. Beans 200 box. Corned Beef 400 box. Roast Beef 20
bbl. Salt Beef 20 box. Butter 13 box. Coffee 60 bbl.
Flour 12 box. Peaches, dried 9 kegs Picles 10 bbl.
Salt Pork 5 box. Raisins 5 bbl. Rice 9 kegs
Syrup 11 bbl. Sugar 4 chests Tea 25 box.
Tomatoes 14 box. Peas, canned 10 box. Corn 9 box.
String Beans 8 box. Lima Beans 7 box. Succotash 6 kegs
Vinegar 5 box. Cheese 6 box. Macaroni 2 box. Baking
Powder 5 box. Yeast 44 box. Cream 6 box. Peaches,
canned 7 box. Pears, canned 7 box. Apricots, canned 15
box. Lard 2 box. Mustard 10 box. Salt Total 993 Pkgs.
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06/04/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol058of067/vol058of067_022_1.jpg
Jamestown (1886)
Condemned 27 lbs. butter, Thurber, Whyland and Co. Contractors, furnished and inspected July 25,
also 6 lbs. Canned vegetables Kemp. Day and Co. Contractors.
Pay Inspector A.J. Clarke, inspector of both articles.
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22/04/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol058of067/vol058of067_038_1.jpg
Jamestown (1886)
Received in Pay Department
158 lbs. fresh beef
158 lbs. Vegetables
126 lbs fresh bread
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More Albatross Food
12th May 1905
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol040of055/vol040of055_206_1.jpg
Received
from John Rothschild of San Francisco the following stores for General
Mess, viz.: 1000 lbs. Ham 200 lbs. Codfish 550 lbs.
Oatmeal 400 lbs. Bacon
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oatmeal fried in bacon fat - so good (sometimes I regret being a veggie ::) ;) )
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oatmeal fried in bacon fat - so good (sometimes I regret being a veggie ::) ;) )
do you cook the oatmeal and then fry it, or deep fry it dry?
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To my memory (Yorkshire, a loooong time ago) you soak the oatmeal
overnight in just enough water to soften the oats. The bacon has been
fried in a pan probably the day before. The bacon can go into sandwiches
or whatever, the bacon fat is then used for the next meal (might be the
next day's breakfast) when the oatmeal is fried in it. Nana B used to
put chopped cabbage in with it too and it was served with a poached egg,
usually for tea (i.e. dinner) :P :)
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Culture shock to me! ;D
When I was little, oatmeal was, ideally, served with butter and brown sugar.
Of
course, now we know that butter and sugar are bad for you, but I still
think of it as sweet. I usually make it with half milk and half water
and add dried fruit or a bit of jam.
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Oatmeal Chicago-style usually was cooked with just water and had
milk and a pat of butter, brown sugar and possibly fruit as a special
treat. I'm wondering now what it really tastes like with bacon
flavor - sounds wonderful.
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I like your recipes for sweet oats (porridge)...yummy. It's made from rolled oats over here.
Savoury
oatmeal is moderately foreign to the southerners in the UK. Although
they are really getting into oatmeal biscuits. But Nana B was from
Scotland. I'm sure she used oatmeal (very finely chopped oat grains
rather than the rolled oats we use for porridge) :)
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We can buy both rolled oats and steel-cut oatmeal, both requiring
long cooking and those ready-to-eat-almost requiring just a few
minutes. With that many varieties, sweet porridge is clearly
popular. :)
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If the Scots can stand their weather in a scratchy wool skirt and
blue paint - well it's got to be the food of heroes - so of course we
eat it ;) ;) ;D
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If
the Scots can stand their weather in a scratchy wool skirt and blue
paint - well it's got to be the food of heroes - so of course we eat
it ;) ;) ;D
I'll
be the first to say... the facepaint is far more uncomfortable than the
kilt is. After half a day it gets all itchy and starts to crack, but a
good breeze can't be beat ;p
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If
the Scots can stand their weather in a scratchy wool skirt and blue
paint - well it's got to be the food of heroes - so of course we eat
it ;) ;) ;D
I'll
be the first to say... the facepaint is far more uncomfortable than the
kilt is. After half a day it gets all itchy and starts to crack, but a
good breeze can't be beat ;p
Hatterjack - I bow to your greater knowledge ;D
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Not a shopping list, just food disposal.
17/06/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol058of067/vol058of067_098_1.jpg
Condemned by Survey 40 lbs. of Codfish
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I'm imagining the survey involved hunting through the ship to find the smell ;)
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yuk yuk yuk! :o :D
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I'm imagining the survey involved hunting through the ship to find the smell ;)
Actually it was Codfish, not smelt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smelt_%28fish%29) ::) :P ;)
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Boo! ;D
Actually it was Codfish, not smelt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smelt_%28fish%29) ::) :P ;)
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;D :P ;D
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That skinks (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/skink) ::)
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sorry - you mean they smelt skinks? :-\ ( ;D ;D ;D )
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OK, enough PUNishment!! Back to the Logs!!!! ::) ;)
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Yes boss ;)
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14/07/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol058of067/vol058of067_127_1.jpg
Received on board in pay Department:
182 1/2 lbs of fresh beef
182 1/2 lbs of vegetables
146 lbs of fresh bread
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Sounds hopeful! Nice beef stew with a bit hunk of bread...yum :)
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Saute the beef in a refogado, a little rum for the cook, add a
picante molho de pimenta, a little more rum for the cook, stir in the
veggies, more rum for cook, add some more picante pimenta, more rmu fer
cook, mure picante, mre rum, lot mire urum, hic ;D
::) ;D
I've actually made myself hungry, a nice stew
with plenty of hot peppers would be nice right now. Not much for
rum though. It's cold here, so maybe some peppermint
Schnapps. :o :o ;D
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;D
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;D ;D ;D
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18/07/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol058of067/vol058of067_131_1.jpg
Condemned fresh beef. Received in pay department 146 lbs of fresh bread and 182 1/2 lbs of fresh vegetables.
What was the line from 'O Brother Where Art Thou' ....... "I believe this horse has started to turn"......
Looks like vegetable soup tonight boys!!! :o ??? ::) ;D
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;D ;D ;D ;D
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28/07/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol058of067/vol058of067_141_1.jpg
Received on board fresh provisions for crew, also following stores in pay department:
12 mess kettles
8 bxs coffee
Recd in Pay Department:
6 bxs Butter
36 bxs Meat
15 bxs Pickles
4 box Cocoa
4 bxs Tea
9 bxs vegetables
2 bxs Ham
Received in Pay-department:
21 sacks Sugar
2 sacks Rice
20 boxes Raisins
3 bales Cloth
Soft rice porridge? :P Pickles and cocoa...Mmmmm... :o
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I think chocolate rice pudding to follow some ham and pickles might be more to my taste ...
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"Pickles and cocoa..."
Urp!
AOL - Absent Over Lunch
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I thought that too! Looks like a relish tray, cookies, and beverages.
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Pickles?! Stand aside I'M COMING THROUGH, FORK AT THE READY :P :P :D
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No pickles today! :( Plenty of water though.
29/07/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol058of067/vol058of067_142_1.jpg
Recd in Pay Dept:
175 lbs Beef
175 lbs. Vegetables
140 lbs Beef
30/07/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol058of067/vol058of067_143_1.jpg
Received in Pay Department:
177 lbs. Beef
177 lbs. Vegetables
192 lbs. Bread
6,500 galls. of fresh water
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Joan got to them first ;)
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num num num burp num num num yummy pickles ;)
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01/08/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol058of067/vol058of067_145_1.jpg
Received on board in Pay Department, for use of crew:
175 lbs. fresh beef
175 lbs. vegetables
140 lbs. fresh bread
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From the logs of HMS SUVA
10.30am: Court of Inquiry assembled
on board regarding loss of fresh meat. Court consisted of Commander and
three Lieutenants from HMS MINTO
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ADM%2053-61873/ADM%2053-61873-010_0.jpg
Frustratingly
nothing is mentioned in SUVA's log about the loss and we dont have
Minto's to check whether the incident happend on board her, but someone
will be eating vege stew in 1916 in the Red Sea.
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Bet that meat loss went down badly with the crew :o Fishing lines out! :D
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Albatross
August 1st, Bering Island, 1896
At 3.00 started all hands fishing with cod lines: caught a great many cod.
Can we help?
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;D
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Culture shock to me! ;D
When I was little, oatmeal was, ideally, served with butter and brown sugar.
Of
course, now we know that butter and sugar are bad for you, but I still
think of it as sweet. I usually make it with half milk and half water
and add dried fruit or a bit of jam.
Late to the party, due to catching up after my absence, but...
I present Bacon Oatmeal Breakfast Cookies!
Imagine if you will, an oatmeal cookie.
Now imagine that cookie with a dash of cinnamon and brown sugar.
Now add some maple syrup for extra flavor.
And then comes the fun part. Crispy bacon either diced into bits or shredded because it's fun to shred bacon.
Throw that in the cookie too.
Serve
with either poached or fried eggs (your preference) an extra rasher of
bacon or ten (because bacon), and a piping hot cup of coffee. It's so
good.
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Tea instead of coffee, please.
I'll be stopping by for breakfast as soon as I have a chance...
Maybe next year ::)
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Tea instead of coffee, please.
I'll be stopping by for breakfast as soon as I have a chance...
Maybe next year ::)
That's the beauty of the cookie; it goes equally well when paired with a nice earl grey as it does with a cup of coffee.
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I think I might need persuading of that Hatterjack! About two
servings might be enough :P :P ;D (What am I
saying??!? I'm a non-meat eater :'( )
It really does sound yummy though :D
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Coffee with mine, please, and a poached egg (tiny attempt to make it
healthy ....) Bacon often seems to be a source of temptation for
vegetarians - I've known the odd one who claimed that bacon didn't count
as meat :o
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An acquaintance once told me that her daughter was vegetarian (like
me) but that she ate spaghetti Bolognese occasionally. :o :P
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Coffee
with mine, please, and a poached egg (tiny attempt to make it healthy
....) Bacon often seems to be a source of temptation for
vegetarians - I've known the odd one who claimed that bacon didn't count
as meat :o
An
acquaintance once told me that her daughter was vegetarian (like me)
but that she ate spaghetti Bolognese occasionally. :o :P
Yes I heard that bacon is an honorary vegetable on Saturday mornings, giving the baton to chickens for Sunday lunch ::)
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from Thetis, Mare Island Cal, Aug 10, 1893
2108# sugar
1800# soap
200# corned beef
102 gals beans
624# mutton
1728# asst vegetables
792# butter
900# candles
240# roast beef
300# lunch hams
520# brawn (?)
56# prunes
96 gals syrup
1000# tobacco
1400# glour (flour?)
918# tomatoes
282# rice
168# salmon
627# pickles
30 gals vinegar
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To me, a pickle is a cucumber that has been pickled, but that may not always be/have been the case:
1. (Cookery) (often plural) vegetables, such as cauliflowers, onions, etc, preserved in vinegar, brine, etc
2. (Cookery) any food preserved in this way
3. (Cookery) a liquid or marinade, such as spiced vinegar, for preserving vegetables, meat, fish, etc
4.
(Cookery) chiefly US and Canadian a cucumber that has been preserved
and flavoured in a pickling solution, such as brine or vinegar
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Pickles are really anything that is preserved through prolonged
submersion in a brine/vinegar solution. What we Americans call pickles
are a specific type of pickled cucumber, and are more widely known
worldwide as gherkins, after the species of cucumber most typically
pickled in the ways that we're accustomed to (dill, sweet, etc.). I
don't really know why I know this, as I'm not particularly fond of
pickled anything (except pickled sausages for some weird reason), but
there it is.
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:P :P :P
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Jamestown (1886)
22/08/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol058of067/vol058of067_166_1.jpg
Received on board in Pay Department for use of ships company 177 fresh beef and vegetables each and 142 lbs fresh bread.
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Jamestown (1886)
23/08/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol058of067/vol058of067_167_1.jpg
Received in Pay Dept "177 lbs fresh Beef 177 lbs fresh vegetables and 142 lbs fresh Bread."
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I've probably missed something here - this food is not in lieu of pay is it? :-\
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It seems like supplies are often received in the Pay Dept - I suppose that is where they pay for supplies?
Matteo found this document earlier...
purchase such extras as with the fresh provisions issued by the pay department in port will insure good living
:-\
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interesting - thanks Randi :D
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Jamestown, 9th September 1887, somewhere between Madeira and New York:
Condemned by Quarterly board of Survey and ordered thrown overboard 36 lbs Codfish.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol058of067/vol058of067_184_1.jpg
I can't help wondering how ghastly it was if they only surveyed the food every quarter .... :o
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:o :o :o
I'm still struggling with the idea that
they had gone-off codfish (anyone remember Unhygienix and his fish from
Lutetia from Asterix The Gaul?)
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That poor fishmonger... constantly seeing his fish derided and used as missiles :(
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Albatross (1900)
21/03/1905 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol040of055/vol040of055_151_1.jpg
Received on board for general Mess from Chas. Hardy: 25# Mutton Chops, 35# Boil Beef, 25 # mutton stew, 1/2 # Vegetables.
Mmmmm Mutton chops :P
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Half a pound of vegetables?
Then again, half a pound of garlic might go pretty far ;)
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;D ;D ;D
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17/10/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol059of067/vol059of067_034_1.jpg
Received in Pay Dept, 30 lbs Pork, 4 lbs Beef, 2 bbls Molasses, 9 bbls of Sugar, 6 boxes Butter, and 8 boxes of Coffee.
I have Pennsylvania Dutch recipe somewhere that sounds like this :D ;D :P
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Mmmm. 8)
17/10/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol059of067/vol059of067_034_1.jpg
Received in Pay Dept, 30 lbs Pork, 4 lbs Beef, 2 bbls Molasses, 9 bbls of Sugar, 6 boxes Butter, and 8 boxes of Coffee.
I have Pennsylvania Dutch recipe somewhere that sounds like this :D ;D :P
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Jamestown (1886)
28/10/1887 - http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USS%20Jamestown/vol059of067/vol059of067_050_1.jpg
Received on board in Bureau of Equipt and Recruit:
105 boxes Corned beef
21 boxes Canned Mutton
45 boxes Brawn
83 boxes Sausage
200 boxes Soap
36 boxes Tobacco
84 boxes Vegetables
168 boxes S~am.
I think I hear a Monty Python sketch....... ;D ;D ;D ;D ???
OK, brawn = head cheese. I can't make out the product on the last line. I know that Spam wasn't on the market until 1937.
Received on board in Pay Dept:
616 lbs Canned Ham
1055 lbs Bacon
1008 lbs Sausage meat
792 lbs Canned Vegetables
503 Cap ribbons
190 Towels
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This is so delightfully eccentric. And I'd certainly agree with its Monty Pythonesque-ness ;D
PS - I can't make out that last item either :-\
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Thetis, Aug 30, 1895 at Mare Island:
2800 lbs biscuit
100 lbs fruit
71 lbs butter
1824 lbs tomatoes
528 lbs beef (tinned)
528 lbs mutton (tinned)
400 lbs corned beef (tinned)
50 lbs tea
3184 lbs sugar
1200 lbs candles
424 lbs vegetables (tinned)
[As in many ingredient lists today, sugar is the largest proportion... and vegetables and fruits the smallest. ]
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They could be making a birthday cake for someone and putting candles
on it. Shame they forgot the flour. They may have to ice
the biscuits instead.
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50 lbs tea
3184 lbs sugar
I'm trying to work out how many teaspoons per cuppa that must be. :P ;D
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34 :o
I'm sure they have other uses for the sugar. ;)
50 lbs tea
3184 lbs sugar
I'm trying to work out how many teaspoons per cuppa that must be. :P ;D
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yeeeeuuuuuurrrrrrggggghhhhhh - I really hope so! 34 :o
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https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/zooniverse/old-weather/talk/161/12848?comment=100091 :)
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;D
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The Whaler Alexander (log Alexander5)
(http://i.imgur.com/Th1Vsgg.png)
Deeply
concerned at this list - Monday 22nd September they use 1 Box of Unions
- there's got to be an amusing political joke in there some place.
However the corrected Tuesday 28 October selection of a half barrel of Bee Tongues is even more mind boggling... ;D
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The Whaler Alexander (log Alexander5)
Deeply
concerned at this list - Monday 22nd September they use 1 Box of Unions
- there's got to be an amusing political joke in there some place.
However the corrected Tuesday 28 October selection of a half barrel of Bee Tongues is even more mind boggling... ;D
The (mis)spelling in this one will keep everyone on their toes. ;)
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To be fair, in the American tongue we do say un-nions and not on-nions ;)
Hopefully the writer only got a stinging rebuke for those errors and was not sent off.
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To be fair, in the American tongue we do say un-nions and not on-nions ;)
Hopefully the writer only got a stinging rebuke for those errors and was not sent off.
Stinging rebuke....grooooaan ;D
Yep - the spelling is fantastic. Perfectly gud if taken fonetically - perhaps we hav a dislecksik on our hands? :-\
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Eye halve a spelling checker
It came with my pea sea
It plane lea marks four my revue
Miss steaks eye kin knot sea
Eye strike a key and type a word
And weight for it to say
Weather eye am wrong oar write
It shows me strait a weigh
As soon as a mist ache is maid
It nose bee fore two long
And eye can put the error rite
It?s rare lea ever wrong.
Eye have run this poem threw it
I am shore your pleased two no
It?s let her perfect awl the weigh
My checker tolled me sew.
Martha Snow
;)
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;D ;D ;D Ah - my log keeper must be Martha's brother then!
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7th July 1934 (https://catalog.archives.gov/id/7284532) on Bear -
just the sort of news that makes my day end with a laugh, but I bet
someone got an earful for this on the Bear. If the navigation's a bit
off for the next few days here's the Chef's reason why...
(http://i.imgur.com/I4BvaqH.png)
At 3:00 [PM] plate blown up stack from galley carrying away radio direction finder antenna.
Not quite in
the galley then, but I'm still wondering exactly what the chef was
cooking up to blow a plate that far up the chimney stack ;D
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;D ;D ;D
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Forget the radio. What about dinner?!
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Forget the radio. What about dinner?!
Exactly. I'm glad someone else has a sense of priorities! ;D
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You'd want to eat the thing that sent the plate up the chimney? :o
;D ;D ;D
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I eat my own cooking ::)
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;D ;D ;D
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Mmmm....Ham biscuits with fixin's
Revenue Cutter Bear
1899-09-07
St. Micheals
9 AM to 4 PM
Received
following stores to replace extra provisions issued to miners, from
ships rations: 74 lbs canned fresh meat, 65 lbs Chicago corned beef, 27
lbs of ham, and 160 lbs of biscuit.
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919225/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol081/26-159A-bear-vol081_132.jpg
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"canned fresh meat" ?!
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"canned fresh meat" ?!
;D ;D ;D
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...,
in the "old days" people did can [fresh] meat in a boiling water bath
for 3 hours, but this was NEVER SAFE and people always risked food
poisoning by doing this. You must use a pressure canner to home can
meat. Meat may be canned in quarts, pints, or half-pint jars.
:o
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Many years ago I had many meals of canned moose meat. I highly recommend it. :)
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Any recipes come to mind Michael? :D
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Open the jar. (It was home canned.) Heat the meat. Use the liquid to
make gravy. Serve with mashed potatoes and fresh veg. Fruit pie and ice
cream for desert. Wine pairing: Cab Sav. Beer pairing: a good I. P. A.
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Bear November 1st 1891
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919212/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol070/26-159A-bear-vol070_038.jpg
By order of Commanding Officer, served new rations received for Revenue Str. "Rush", in lieu of old rations on hand.
:o :-X
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:o ;D
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Even though they are probably in the cold Arctic, the idea of 'old
rations on hand.' sounds a bit stomach churning :P :o :(
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Revenue Cutter Bear
1899-09-27
Nome
4-8PM
Gave
one pound pork, 3 sacks beans, 2 cases biscuits, to Frederick Larsen,
in payment for dog and services rendered Relief Expedition
https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/6919225/content/arcmedia/dc-metro/rg-026/585454-noaa/bear/vol081/26-159A-bear-vol081_152.jpg
What happened to the dog? ??? ??? ???
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What happened to the dog? ??? ??? ???
I tried looking up a suitable recipe courtesy of Mr Amundsen, but no luck ;) :o
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Welland, in February 1915, has just taken a voyage from Tenedos
towards Sigri for what seems to be the sole purpose of buying some
vegetables from a French minesweeper .... I hope they cooked them
with great care and didn't boil them to death.
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Welland,
in February 1915, has just taken a voyage from Tenedos towards Sigri
for what seems to be the sole purpose of buying some vegetables from a
French minesweeper .... I hope they cooked them with great care
and didn't boil them to death.
As a vegetarian I must approve of this action wholeheartedly. ;D
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The whaler Mary and Susan.
Around July 1881. Everything except
the flour is measured. Oh well - I guess if you've made a cake batter
before you'll know what to aim for 8)
(https://i.imgur.com/VfeO37n.png)
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8) 8) 8)
Tester available ;)
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Hash browns anyone?
Boating off potatoes from shore for crew.
Purchased
and received from the North American Trading and Transportation Co 2600
lbs potatoes and 800 lbs onions in the sum of 80.50 dollars.
Sounds like quite a bargin!
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Held board of survey, condemned and expended 1 bbl salt beef 200 lbs
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8 sacks potatoes, 4 sacks onions, 100 lbs cabbage and 200 lbs beef in the sum of $62.89
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Following year, after arriving in Alaska from Hawaii:
Held Board of Survey on certain rations and condemned 4500 # potatoes + 200 # onions which were found decayed.
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8 sacks potatoes, 4 sacks onions, 100 lbs cabbage and 200 lbs beef in the sum of $62.89
Sounds like an epic Bubble-and-Squeak cook up to me. Hope I can get an invite! :o ;D
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A couple of food oddities from Capt H H Bodfish's book 'Chasing the Bowhead'
The
Beluga: On Thanksgiving Day 1897 (November 27th) 'the crew shot and ate
Mrs Collins'. :o :o :o She weighed 250 lbs. Don't panic -
she was the ship's pig. ::) :D
Early the next spring (and
still stuck in the same place in ice) the Beluga was visited by Prof
Andrew Jackson Stone, a likely relative of Senator Stone of Missouri, on
an expedition for the American Museum of Natural History. Stone and
companion arrived at Beluga with two small fish for themselves and their
dogs. Their chief article of food had been flour bannock, about the
same as a thick pancake. They had with them a new-fangled 30-30 rifle
which had penetrated 52 inches into a log of cottonwood from 10 paces.
They set up seven bannocks on end and repeated the rifle trial - the
bullet made it through just three of the bannocks. Bodfish comments
'That's the sort of fodder that kept men alive on the Arctic
trails'. :-X :o ;D
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I know that the whalers are brave and go into the teeth of
Arctic winds, seas, and ice, but I have just discovered that they are
equally challenged in the culinary arts. It hardly seems fair that so
many troubles are poured upon them. However just south of the Diomedes
in the Bering Straits and struggling for home, on 2nd October 1881
(https://archive.org/details/atlanticbarkofne00atla/page/28/mode/1up)
the Bk Atlantic is confounded by the infamous 'Strong N Currant'
(https://imgur.com/mQ4DR4m.png)
Dangerous...be warned ;) :o
(https://imgur.com/W1f89Me.png)
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;D ;D ;D