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Title: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 11 September 2013, 03:18:53
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 11 September 2013, 15:09:32
Example of what a weather page might look like when transcribing the last line of data:
Page link (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol021of055/vol021of055_006_0.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img199/1433/823d.JPG)



Example of what an events page might look like after the data has been transcribed:
Page link (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol021of055/vol021of055_006_1.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img534/4817/0xpn.jpg)

The date is required.
You may transcribe more or less other information than is shown here.

Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 11 September 2013, 18:19:58
Looks like an easy standard log and looks like it will be fun.

I tested the first 5 pages I did for testing so far have had :
One in double irons for smuggling liqour on board.
One discharge bad conduct.
One deserter
and twice sent out a search party for men drowned.

Short comments on Misc page should be an easy ship to do.

Back to Concord now with its long comments.  %^(
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 11 September 2013, 18:42:56
Albatross 1890.
They really look out for their crew.
Everyday between 1 Jan 1890 and up to at least 5 Jan 1890 where I finished with the ship.

"Party with steam launch left ship to search for bodied of men lost on Dec 23rd."
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 September 2013, 10:46:38
Mare Island area maps:

Modern map with Mare Island pinpointed. (http://www.geographic.org/geographic_names/usaname.php?uni=2512427&fid=usageo_2089)

Coast Survey's Historical Map & Chart Collection: Detailed map of Mare Island and Vallejo. 1886 (http://historicalcharts.noaa.gov/historicals/preview/image/T01825-00-1886)

David Rumsey Historical Map Collection: San Francisco and vicinity. 1915 (http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~31108~1150461:San-Francisco-and-vicinity,-Califor?sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&qvq=w4s:/when/1915;q:alameda;sort:Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=0&trs=1)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 04 October 2013, 03:29:18
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 15 October 2013, 03:30:54
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 15 October 2013, 19:12:19
Oh no - it's another one of those laughter comments!  You know - sounds innocent, but viewed in a humorous way it's very funny indeed. Here's the page: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol021of055/vol021of055_183_1.jpg
And here we go:

"A large school of Walrus on and near the beach." So I picture a bunch of sensible walrus sitting nicely at their desks learning their times table, and a few surly troublesome walrus teenagers sat near the beach refusing to do anything.
Wonderful! ;D ;D

It's a Thursday and, interestingly, I note that they put out fishing lines and nets later on - fish for Friday? :D
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 15 October 2013, 19:16:27
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: camiller on 15 October 2013, 21:31:09
 :D
Oh no - it's another one of those laughter comments!  You know - sounds innocent, but viewed in a humorous way it's very funny indeed. Here's the page: http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol021of055/vol021of055_183_1.jpg
And here we go:

"A large school of Walrus on and near the beach." So I picture a bunch of sensible walrus sitting nicely at their desks learning their times table, and a few surly troublesome walrus teenagers sat near the beach refusing to do anything.
Wonderful! ;D ;D

It's a Thursday and, interestingly, I note that they put out fishing lines and nets later on - fish for Friday? :D
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 17 October 2013, 10:27:41
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol022of055/vol022of055_009_1.jpg
July 4'th 1890
"At 8:00 dressed ship with masthead flags."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Well to quote the famous song of the day...
'And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea! '
 :) ;) :) ;)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 17 October 2013, 10:28:54
 :D
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Punx on 18 October 2013, 11:30:49
Found a coalmine!

Quote
and stood into the anchorage of the coalmine

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol022of055/vol022of055_028_1.jpg

after a quick google search, I found this:

from: Bulletin : United States Geological Survey, Volumes 467-469

Quote
Herendeen Bay coal field. - The presence of coal in the Herendeen Bay region has been known for a number of years.  Several attempts have been made toward its development, but little coal has yet been minded.  The first exploitation of the field was undertaken in 1880 by a corporation known as the Alaska Mining and Development Co.  Two drifts were run, one about 200 feet, the other about 300 feet in length, on a coal bed of 4 feet average thickness.  The coal was brought to the water front by a steam motor on a small tramway, and several hundred tones were taken out in 1890, of which amount the U.S.S. Albatross used between 200 and 300 tons.  At the time there was no immediate market for the coal, as the Western States and Territories were fully supplied from the Washington and Vancouver mines.  The field was therefore abandoned...

http://books.google.com/books?id=4BolAQAAIAAJ&pg=PP12&lpg=PP12&dq=herendeen+bay+coal+mine&source=bl&ots=VpEdQm_7Zl&sig=tLTk5Nr9JHVfY6dczdH6vn37vug&hl=en&sa=X&ei=XEJhUtT3EeT52AWSrYFQ&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=herendeen%20bay%20coal%20mine&f=false

The area is now part of the Alaska Peninsula Wildlife Refuge.

 ;D
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 October 2013, 13:12:17
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 20 October 2013, 15:24:36
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 October 2013, 08:53:09
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 26 October 2013, 18:46:55
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 27 October 2013, 03:37:24
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 27 October 2013, 16:45:51
Nice to see some friendly competition for the Captains position.   ;D
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 28 October 2013, 07:09:35
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 31 October 2013, 00:14:34
Twice.   ;D
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 31 October 2013, 03:07:10
Oops! ;D
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 November 2013, 04:14:14
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 November 2013, 08:46:24
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 10 November 2013, 15:17:23
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 12 November 2013, 15:36:07
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 13 November 2013, 11:10:27
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Holly on 14 November 2013, 20:25:06
Hi everyone,
My log pages ended up skipping right over Christmas Eve and Christmas Day, and I had been/still am curious---
what did the logbook say about how they noted or celebrated?

Many Thanks ( and congrats to the new captains!)
-holly
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 14 November 2013, 21:00:08
Can you give me the jpeg link for the page close to Christmas?  It is possible to cheat and walk your way to see neighboring pages in the same book.  ;)

http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3489.msg62863#msg62863
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 15 November 2013, 08:48:52
24 Dec.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol022of055/vol022of055_183_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol022of055/vol022of055_183_0.jpg

25 Dec.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol022of055/vol022of055_184_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol022of055/vol022of055_184_1.jpg
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 15 November 2013, 10:26:44
I've noted before, the official logs of holidays tend to be like the official records of Christmas parties on a factory floor.  Everyone keeps the party civilized enough to do no damage, and the management intentionally ignores the invasion of sweets and lack of production.  A quiet log with nothing at all noted on Christmas day means they were having a quiet holiday, maintaining only those duties necessary to safety.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 November 2013, 15:06:53
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: p3nguin53 on 16 November 2013, 22:08:53
Thanks!  I worked thru a bunch of pages today .  Wanted to see if my name would show on the top 12 page right away or if it happened thru an overnight process.  Glad to see it happens immediately.

I'm getting better at interpreting the handwriting so that speeds things up.  Plus my keyboard has a separate numeric keypad.  That helps a lot with the weather pages.

Karen
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 November 2013, 03:39:22
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 19 November 2013, 03:56:27
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 20 November 2013, 18:35:31
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: p3nguin53 on 22 November 2013, 22:28:41
I am working on this page from Feb 13, 1894.  At 8 am to Mer. it mentions 2 sailors that were left in Alaska on Sept 18, 1893. 

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_049_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_049_1.jpg)

I tried to look back at that log date to see why they left them in Alaska but vol022 covers 1890.  Are the Albatross logs from 1891-1893 available for us to look at?  If so, what's the correct URL for them?

Also, I'm not sure what the word is following Sitka, Alaska.  It looks like Terry.  Ferry makes more sense but it doesn't look like an F to me.  Any idea what it is?

Karen
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 22 November 2013, 22:52:26
Apparently, no they are not there. 

There are 2 problems with the book order:  First, we can't see what is where for sure until someone starts transcribing it and gives us an url for that year.  Second, the scanners are not just scanning for us, they are making archive-quality scans for NARA (National Archives and Records Admin.)  They start with the books all in order, but when they find a book that is deteriorating, they pull it out and sent it to conservationists for repair - who send it back for scanning when it is safe to handle.  The book number is counting scanning order, not content order.

So I don't know if those years were skipped, but I suspect they are just out of order.  Part of the pain of handling 150 year old paper that started out subject to the conditions of sea voyages. 

The good news is, scans and transcriptions (edited and cleaned up) will eventually by online to the public together.  :)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: p3nguin53 on 22 November 2013, 23:09:36
Thanks for the info.

I looked all the way thru vol040 and couldn't find 1891-1893.  I also found that vol038 covers the beginning of 1901 and then vol039 jumps to 1904.  So more missing years. 

An ideas on my mystery word - Terry vs Ferry (or is it something else)?
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 22 November 2013, 23:17:39
Ferry.   "From" and that "Ferry" start the same shape.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: p3nguin53 on 22 November 2013, 23:21:04
OK, thanks.  Moving on to more pages!
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 22 November 2013, 23:30:18
Any time.  :)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 23 November 2013, 02:59:44
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Holly on 23 November 2013, 23:31:19
24 Dec.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol022of055/vol022of055_183_1.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol022of055/vol022of055_183_0.jpg

25 Dec.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol022of055/vol022of055_184_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol022of055/vol022of055_184_1.jpg
Thanks so very much for these and for Janet's explanations.
I also wondered at the missing years...glad to see it being talked about.

You all are amazing.
:)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 November 2013, 04:00:27
Our transcribers are amazing ;D
Keep asking questions, and if you find something interesting don't hesitate to post it here!



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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 November 2013, 18:32:21
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: p3nguin53 on 26 November 2013, 01:07:13
I came across an odd 25 degree temperature spike between 2pm and 3 pm on Jan 26, 1894 while the ship was anchored in San Diego.  Temp jumped from 57 to 82 then 81, and then down to 61.  Wind had changed from W to NW when it got hotter.

There were no comments about the jump on the Misc. Events page but there were check marks next to the 82 and 81 temps.  So I guess they thought it seemed odd too.  I haven't seen a big temp spike like that on any of my other pages.  Is it normal for the temp to jump that much in San Diego during winter?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_031_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_031_0.jpg)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 26 November 2013, 03:00:00
I'd of thought that never happened, except two thermometers made the jump up and back - dry bulb and wet bulb.  It will definitely catch the eye of the analyst team.  ;)

But then I've never lived anywhere on the west coast.  We need to hear from a native.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kathy on 26 November 2013, 09:09:42
I wonder if it were the Santa Ana winds
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 26 November 2013, 09:17:53
Aren't those always coming from the mountains in the east?  and strong?  while these are from the NW at strength 1.  ???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Ana_wind
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: p3nguin53 on 30 November 2013, 22:11:06
FYI.  I came across a log page with an incorrect year - 1893 should be 1894.  Transcribed it as written:  09/03/1893

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_073_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_073_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 01 December 2013, 00:43:32
An unusual mistake for that late in the year, that usually happens in January.  Makes you wonder what the log keeper was thinking about.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 01 December 2013, 03:22:57
I remember one with the wrong year in the middle of the year --- the location was "At Sea".
I guess the log keeper was too ;)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 December 2013, 03:52:09
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: p3nguin53 on 04 December 2013, 21:35:57
I am about to transcribe my first refueling. 

On March 20th there is refueling info on the Misc. Events page.
On March 21st the same refueling numbers also show on the Weather page as a plus amount in the coal section.

Do I transcribe this info onto a Refueling tab for both pages?  Or should I just transcribe it once but for which page?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_084_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_084_1.jpg)
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_085_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_085_0.jpg)

Karen
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 04 December 2013, 21:42:42
It came in after the noon readings had been filled in - all of those usages of all kinds are always calculated noon to noon (a.k.a. a naval day).  I'd treat it as an event in the comments, and a number in the refueling tab in the noon readings.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: p3nguin53 on 04 December 2013, 21:58:39
So I will transcribe the right-hand page info for the 20th as an Event.  And then transcribe the left-hand page info for the 21st as a Refueling.  Then the Refueling numbers will not be duplicated.

Let me know if I misunderstood your instructions. 

Another question - I was looking ahead and noticed mentions of seagulls.  Are they supposed to be transcribed on to the Animals tab or do we ignore mentions of birds?
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 04 December 2013, 22:00:29
You have the fuel understood perfectly.

Birds are definitely included - Kevin is using animals in the environment to interpret more about the climate, and birds are wonderful way-signs.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: p3nguin53 on 04 December 2013, 22:02:53
OK.  Thanks for the replies. 
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: p3nguin53 on 08 December 2013, 01:29:03
I had a Misc. Events page with Animal mentions in several time slots.  I only transcribed the 1st occurrence for each unique animal as shown in bold below. 

A few porpoises and numerous gulls about ship.
Noticed ducks and gulls.
Numerous gulls about ship.
Noticed gulls flying about the ship.
Large schools of fish about the ship and water very phosphorescent.  (I also transcribed this sentence as an Event)

Is that correct or should I transcribe a separate Animal tab for each occurrence even if they are duplicates? 

I assume if a specific animal mention is repeated but the counts are different that I should create separate entries in that case.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_092_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_092_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 08 December 2013, 02:10:33
This more of follow your intuition.  I don't know for sure.  I will ask Kevin, if he has preferences.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 08 December 2013, 11:51:31
Aside from the prime directive - transcribe what interests you - I would suggest the following rules of thumb for animals:

- try to get the number of entries for the day down (as in gulls, three times, at times 1, 2, 3...)
- if the person writing seems to have special knowledge - as in writes "Ross's Gull" or "Snowy Owl"
- is it described as unusual?
- if the ship is in the Arctic, more detail is good especially seals, walrus, bears & whales

By the way, it is not unusual for both land and sea birds to get on board ship to rest. I've been on ship's with entire avian ecosystems - small finches hiding under deck boxes while peregrines peer down from the masts. Once an entire flock of cattle egrets living in the engine room (chief engineer was a softy even though he was a 6'4 Viking).

   
That struck-out comment of Kevin violates the TWYS rule, so I'm fine with not recording detailed contexts every time but they should be individual entries.

If the same comment on gulls or whatever seems to be repeated with minor changes, don't be afraid to use Windows notepad to copy/paste comments from.  Does this answer your question?
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 08 December 2013, 12:29:56
I do quite a bit of copy/paste with Notepad. ;D
Firefox is also helpful for this sort of thing. ;)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: p3nguin53 on 08 December 2013, 13:59:33
Creating separate entries for each mention is fine.  Should I include the time spotted in the Number of Animals field as Kevin is suggesting?

For example:
Type of Animal:  porpoises   Number of Animals:  a few at time 4-8am
Type of Animal:  gulls           Number of Animals:  numerous at time 4-8am
Type of Animal:  ducks         Number of Animals:  at time 8-Mer
Type of Animal:  gulls           Number of Animals:  at time 8-Mer
Type of Animal:  gulls           Number of Animals:  numerous at time 4-6pm
Type of Animal:  gulls           Number of Animals:  at time 6-8pm
Type of Animal:  fish             Number of Animals:  large schools at time 8pm-Mid

Or should I transcribe as shown above but omit the 'at time...'  info?

Edited on 12/12 to indicate PTB decided the 'at time ...' should not be included.  TWYS :)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 08 December 2013, 14:05:39
He seems to value the time, so he knows when they are out and about.  I'd include it.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: p3nguin53 on 08 December 2013, 14:08:08
OK.  Thanks for the feedback. 

Karen
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 08 December 2013, 14:57:25
I had asked Philip about adding times to the text for people and ships earlier. He had some reservations about that where it violated our Type What You See policy.

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Your question about whether or not to add the time to an entry is tricky. We should be able to infer it from the page position, but having an explicit time would certainly be a gain. Lets stick to TWYS for the moment (no general times, but if it says "Keelhauled seaman Jones at 11:06 a.m." by all means put in that exact phrase).



In the Number of Animals field, the time might be incorrectly processed as the number of animals.

We need an additional info field ;)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: p3nguin53 on 08 December 2013, 19:30:07
Janet/Randi,

You have given me conflicting instructions (based on feedback from Kevin and Philip) regarding including the time for animal sitings.  Should I include the time in Number of Animals or omit it?

Karen
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 08 December 2013, 19:38:46
We know we (and they) are conflicted, and have written both Kevin and Philip asking for a joint answer.  The soonest we expect an answer would be tomorrow - morning in Seattle, US, (Kevin) and afternoon in Oxford, UK, (Philip).  The timing we have to live with when working on a global project. ;)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: p3nguin53 on 08 December 2013, 19:46:19
Thanks for checking on this for me.  I've only encountered 2 pages so far with animal mentions.  So it will be easy to fix depending on what they decide.  I'll check back tomorrow.  :)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: p3nguin53 on 12 December 2013, 14:36:56
I came across the following statement squeezed in at the end of the April 12, 1894   From 8am to Meridian entry:

"By order of the President of the United States, this vessel was temporarily transferred from the Fish Commission to the Navy Department."

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_107_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_107_1.jpg)

I couldn't figure out why they were transferred because there was no mention of it on these history pages:
http://www.naval-history.net/OWShips-USNShipsList.htm#Albatross (http://www.naval-history.net/OWShips-USNShipsList.htm#Albatross)
http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/a5/albatross-ii.htm (http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/a5/albatross-ii.htm)

They dropped the 'F.C.' designation in the ship name in the heading starting on that date.  Is there another resource that would explain the reason for the transfer?

Janet/Randi:
Have you heard anything back from Keven and Philip on including the time for Animal Mentions?  The Albatross is getting ready to go back to sea so I expect to encounter more animals soon.  If there is no decision I plan to revert back to TWYS and omit the time.

Thanks,
Karen
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 12 December 2013, 14:39:39
Janet repeated the question this morning ;)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Kevin on 12 December 2013, 19:18:42
To clarify (and unless Philip has a different idea) I would not change what has been longstanding practice regarding time that is not otherwise part of the entry itself.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 12 December 2013, 19:54:36
To clarify (and unless Philip has a different idea) I would not change what has been longstanding practice regarding time that is not otherwise part of the entry itself.

Understood; so list the animals and numbers, without further comment, and repeat if seen more than once.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: p3nguin53 on 12 December 2013, 20:36:26
So I will continue transcribing each animal mention but omit the 'at time ...' info.  I only have 2 pages to correct so that's OK.   :) 

I will go back and edit my earlier post about this so someone only reading part of our conversation isn't misled on what to do with multiple animal mentions.

Do you have any ideas on where to find more info regarding the transfer of the Albatross to the Navy on April 12, 1894 that I noted above?
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 12 December 2013, 21:03:44
I can only suspect that the connection between the Fisheries Commission and the Navy is somewhat fluid.  Earlier in her career, the histories agree she was on a naval mission that had nothing to do with fish, and then for the Revenue Cutter Service (aka Coast Guard).
http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/a5/albatross-ii.htm
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Over the next few months, Albatross operated out of San Francisco. Placed under the direction of the Secretary of the Navy, she plied the Pacific between the west coast of the United States and the Hawaiian Islands, working towards determining "a practicable route for a telegraphic cable" between San Francisco and Honolulu. During the course of this hydrographic work (which took place between 9 October 1891 and 16 January 1892), Albatross also made a few dredge hauls and took some plankton samples.
 
Next, temporarily assigned to the Revenue Marine Division of the Secretary of the Treasury, Albatross departed San Francisco on 19 March 1892, bound for Unalaska, Alaska, the Bering Sea and the Aleutian Islands, to conduct fur seal investigations and gather ". . . information on questions at issue between the United States and Great Britain." Among her special passengers on this cruise were a resident naturalist, a fishery expert, a special agent of the United States Treasury, and two seal hunters, one of whom was an "interpreter of Chinook jargon." In July 1892, however, leaky boilers compelled the steamer to transfer the fishery expert and one seal hunter to the revenue cutter Corurin, and the resident naturalist and the other hunter to the revenue cutter Rush, to carry out what remained of Albatross' assignment as she began her return to San Francisco for repairs. En route, despite being hampered by steaming on one hastily repaired boiler, she brought in a confiscated sailing schooner to Sitka, Alaska, on 11 August and, while there, steamed out to sea and rescued the drifting whaling bark Lydia.

In April 1894, no record is anywhere I can find that indicated another agency shift.  Maybe I should inform the Navy that we found new historic info in her logs?  ;)
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Albatross sailed from her home port on 14 April, bound for the Pacific northwest and, from 19 April to 5 May, assisted in the investigation of seal and salmon fisheries in the Puget Sound region. During this period, on 1 May, Lt. Cpmdr. F. J. Drake relieved Lt. Comdr. Tanner, who had been in continuous command of the research vessel since she had been first commissioned.
 
Into the autumn of 1894, the marine research vessel alternately patrolled the Bering Sea and operated in the western Aleutians, as her embarked resident naturalist, fishery expert, and scientific assistant studied the fishing grounds of that region and the "pelagic habits of the fur seals and their rookeries on the Pribilof Islands." Then, her mission completed, she returned to San Francisco on 17 October 1894.

For sure, both Tanner and F.J.Drake are on the list of Naval officers: http://www.history.navy.mil/books/callahan/index.htm
Drake, Franklin J.
Midshipman, 23 February, 1863. Graduated 2 June, 1868. Ensign, 19 April, 1869. Master, 12 July, 1870. Lieutenant, 15 November, 1872. Lieutenant Commander, 1 October, 1893. Commander, 3 March, 1899.
Tanner, Zera L.
Acting Ensign, 18 August, 1862. Acting Master, 29 September, 1864. Ensign, 12 March, 1868. Master, 18 December, 1868. Lieutenant, 21 March, 1870. Lieutenant Commander, 22 February, 1883. Commander, 7 February, 1893. Retired List, 5 December, 1897.



Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: p3nguin53 on 12 December 2013, 22:01:50
I looked ahead in the logs and found that on Oct 20, 1894 they added the 'F.C.' designation back in the ship name in the heading.  It was inserted above the line for a few days like a correction and then written on the line as usual after that.  But there was no mention in the surrounding days about being transferred back to the Fish Commission.   

That was shortly after they returned to San Francisco.  So the reason for the transfer is still a mystery but it lasted from April 12th til Oct 20th.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 12 December 2013, 22:09:28
Unlike the earlier stay with the navy, this time she kept on counting fish and wildlife.  Just maybe someone thought the navy should expand their list of duties, but trying it proved them wrong.  ???
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 12 December 2013, 22:15:35
Karen, do you have the jpeg links for the April 12, 1894 and Oct. 20, 1894?  I'd like to inform the US Navy they had a ship they apparently don't know about.  ;)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: p3nguin53 on 12 December 2013, 22:36:53
Here is the April 12th page that showed they transferred to the Navy.  See note at end of the 8am to Mer. entry.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_107_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_107_1.jpg)

And here is the 1st page that has the 'F.C.' designation back in the heading.  The corresponding Misc. Events page is dated Oct 20.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol024of055/vol024of055_117_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol024of055/vol024of055_117_0.jpg)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 12 December 2013, 22:58:42
Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: p3nguin53 on 12 December 2013, 23:45:20
I transcribed this transfer as a Ship Mention:

Type of Mention:  Ship

Name:  Albatross

Context:  By order of the President of the United States, this vessel was temporarily transferred from the Fish Commission to the Navy Department.

I debated between 'Albatross' and 'this vessel' for the Name field.  I know 'this vessel' is TWYS but I thought 'Albatross' made more sense in case the transcription entry is looked at or used outside of the context of the page.

Is this OK or should I transcribe this differently?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_107_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_107_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 12 December 2013, 23:48:59
Albtross is the name, from the heading.  The full statement would be the context.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: p3nguin53 on 12 December 2013, 23:50:43
OK, thanks.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 13 December 2013, 03:55:17
As far as naval officers: Albatross "is a Navy-manned vessel assigned to the United States Fish Commission."

I don't know if this could be it:
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Following yard work at Mare Island which lasted into the spring of 1893, Albatross returned to Aleutian waters and resumed her duties in connection with the Alaskan fur seal and fishery investigations. In addition, she carried out patrols as part of the United States naval force in the Bering Sea. Returning to San Francisco at the end of September 1893, the ship departed that port on 2 January 1894, and conducted a biological survey of San Diego Bay before returning to San Francisco on 30 March.

Albatross sailed from her home port on 14 April, bound for the Pacific northwest and, from 19 April to 5 May, assisted in the investigation of seal and salmon fisheries in the Puget Sound region. During this period, on 1 May, Lt. Cpmdr. F. J. Drake relieved Lt. Comdr. Tanner, who had been in continuous command of the research vessel since she had been first commissioned.

Into the autumn of 1894, the marine research vessel alternately patrolled the Bering Sea and operated in the western Aleutians, as her embarked resident naturalist, fishery expert, and scientific assistant studied the fishing grounds of that region and the "pelagic habits of the fur seals and their rookeries on the Pribilof Islands." Then, her mission completed, she returned to San Francisco on 17 October 1894.
http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/a5/albatross-ii.htm (from: Albatross -- Reference: Transcription Example and Log Description ;))



Mentions | Ship is fine, but since it is about the Albatross herself, you could also do it simply as:
Events = By order of the President of the United States, this vessel was temporarily transferred from the Fish Commission to the Navy Department.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 13 December 2013, 11:06:48
p3nguin53 passes the 2000 mark!
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: p3nguin53 on 13 December 2013, 13:33:47
Randi,

The Albatross transfer seemed like a very important entry and I was originally going to transcribe it as an Event.  But then I couldn't find a mention of it on the ship's danfs history page even though other transfers/reassignments were mentioned.  I decided transcribing it as a Mention with the ship's name would give it more visibility since there are fewer Mentions compared to the number of Events.

Thanks for the fanfare on me passing 2000.  I'm getting closer to my captain.  The numbers for the rest of the top 12 crew aren't changing.  Am I the only one working on this ship right now?  I'm feeling kind of lonely   ;)

Karen
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 13 December 2013, 14:12:17
Karen,
One way to attract more active crew is to keep the forum informed of interesting things and let them see the beautiful clear handwriting in Albatross's logs.  I've sent a post to the NARA archivist who is officially working with us, to ask how to inform the Navy about the missing shift of command in her official history.  :)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 13 December 2013, 14:56:31
I've only used Mention | Ship for ships other than my own, but you have a good point about visibility.
You could always transcribe it both ways to be safe ;D
In any case, it is well documented here!

As Janet says, do contribute any interesting tidbits that you find to this topic or elsewhere in the forum if that seems appropriate. Don't forget that there is a corresponding Crew topic: Albatross (1890) -- Crew Lists (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3962.0)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: p3nguin53 on 13 December 2013, 19:08:10
Randi,

I looked at the Crew List for the Yorktown and saw the more detailed crew lists.  I didn't think to post in the Albatross Crew List thread since no one had posted there after your initial Officer list.  It makes sense to expand on your list since the names are often difficult to figure out. 

I'll go back and find the names that I've come across and add them to the Crew List thread.  That will give me a chance to check out the entries that I transcribed for one sailor who got into trouble quite often.   :)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 13 December 2013, 19:14:05
You can make it as simple or as complex as you want ;D
(good night ;))
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 13 December 2013, 20:26:09
Kevin came up with a reason for the 6 month stint of working for the Navy and Revenue Cutter Service in 1894:

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The reason being the need for law enforcement powers (esp. international) which was likely not part of the FC remit. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bering_Sea_Arbitration
- Kevin
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: camiller on 13 December 2013, 21:23:59
That makes sense.  I wondered if it might be a budget thing; the Navy picked up the tab until the FC had more money. 
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: p3nguin53 on 13 December 2013, 21:41:14
It will be interesting to see if their logs indicate they were enforcing sealing restrictions during their time at sea that summer.  They're getting ready to head out soon.  Finally done with dry dock and leaving Mare Island!
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 13 December 2013, 22:28:28
It was an interesting split - the Navy has oomph internationally, and the Coast Guard (Revenue Service) has full domestic police powers.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 15 December 2013, 08:38:11
Orthalionar
welcome back !
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: p3nguin53 on 16 December 2013, 20:58:45
I spotted an interesting log entry on April 20, 1894 while the ship was in Port Townsend, Wash.: 
"Seal Hunter James E. Lennon reported on board for duty."

Wonder if his duties are related to enforcement of the sealing regulations discussed in the link provided above by Kevin.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_115_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_115_1.jpg)

Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 December 2013, 09:15:26
p3nguin53 passes the 2500 mark!
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: p3nguin53 on 18 December 2013, 11:32:29
Thanks for the fanfare but I am stopped at that number for now.  I can't transcribe any more Albatross pages until my problem with being given old pages to transcribe again is resolved. 

See http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3936.msg79274#msg79274 (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3936.msg79274#msg79274)  and prior posts over there for the issue.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 December 2013, 12:27:54
Yes, we have passed that on :'(
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: p3nguin53 on 21 December 2013, 12:19:26
The Albatross has 3 new crew members.  So my problem with being given old pages to transcribe again is starting to creep forward.  I originally had this old page to transcribe:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_060_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_060_0.jpg)

Now it is giving me this old page to transcribe:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_061_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_061_0.jpg)


Both of these pages are already in my 'My Pages' list.

I didn't mention this before but the last good page that I transcribed was:
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_120_0.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_120_0.jpg)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 21 December 2013, 13:11:48
I suggest you vacation on a different ship until the PTB straighten this mess out.  Not a solution but maybe a stop-gap.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 21 December 2013, 14:20:52
Thanks, Karen.
I have passed your comment on to the programming team since it might give them a clue to what is wrong.
(and serve as a reminder ;))
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: p3nguin53 on 01 January 2014, 22:01:22
I just checked my next page to transcribe and I am now given:

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_120_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_120_1.jpg)

Yippee!!! Looks like my pointer problem is fixed.  Many thanks to the tech staff!

Karen
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 01 January 2014, 22:28:56
I'll pass on your thanks.   ;D



ADDED: Got a reply from Stuart (chief software PTB) the crossed the thanks for the fix I sent him.  His remark on cookies might be helpful.
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Hey guys

I just pushed what I think should be a fix for this problem. Please let me know if you still have issues with it and sorry it took me so long to realize the original problem had yet to be resolved.

It might be worth clearing your browsers cookies for old weather as well just to make sure things go smoothly with the new code.

Thanks and happy new year to everyone.

Stuart
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: p3nguin53 on 02 January 2014, 00:24:11
I transcribed that page OK before I saw your note about clearing my cookies.  Just cleared them out now.  It gave me the correct next page to transcribe so it's working OK for me. 

Now I just need to get used to their handwriting again after my break from transcribing.   :)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 02 January 2014, 00:39:39
 ;D
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 02 January 2014, 09:55:35
I have to get used to not skipping over Attached Thermometer again on the Jamestown 1879. It will take some time.  ;D
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 January 2014, 16:34:01
p3nguin53 passes the 3000 mark!
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 January 2014, 16:35:19
* Piping aboard Captain p3nguin53 *
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 19 January 2014, 15:31:52
kmarchuk
welcome to the top 12 !
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 19 January 2014, 15:33:00
kmarchuk passes the 500 mark!


Wow, that was fast ;)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: p3nguin53 on 19 January 2014, 20:59:34
Finally made it to the top of the list as Captain! 

I've been taking a break the last couple of days.  While I was off it looks like the Albatross picked up some new crew members.  That's good - now it won't be so lonely over here.    ;D
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 19 January 2014, 21:19:38
;D
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: p3nguin53 on 19 January 2014, 22:39:52
In the Transcription Examples, it says we don't have to transcribe additional mentions of Places.  What about multiple mentions of the same ship on one page?  I am working on a page that mentions the 'Mohican' seven times. 

For example, the 8 am to Meridian watch has the following mentions:
Standing after 'Mohican' ...
At 11.50 ... following 'Mohican'.
At 9.25 'Mohican' signalled ...

Do I need to transcribe each of these mentions as a Ship Mention?  Or can I transcribe just one Ship Mention and then either skip the rest or transcribe the rest as Events?

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_142_1.jpg (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol023of055/vol023of055_142_1.jpg)

Karen
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 20 January 2014, 00:09:37
Rules for the comments page are very relaxed, not like the weather data.  We have been strongly encouraged to not combine two or more names on a single mentions tab, but we have never been required to tab places or ships more than once.

Using the Mentions or Location tabs in the comments is to provide a search index for the online scanned pictures.  As long as you have tabbed it once, it should be OK.  Especially if you are transcribing the paragraph as an event.  Especially since it's all optional anyway.  ;)

Animals and sea ice are a bit different - Kevin is using those tabs to count sightings, not days.  Again, it is optional.  But any and all descriptions and counts you include will get used.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: p3nguin53 on 20 January 2014, 00:23:48
Thanks for the answer.  I've been transcribing each mention separately as you described so I'm doing it OK.  But this page got a little overwhelming since they're following the Mohican and therefore keep mentioning that ship. 

It's good to hear I can slack off a little on this page and still provide the needed info.

Karen
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 20 January 2014, 04:33:31
As Janet says, transcribing the comments page is fairly relaxed.

I try to do each person and each ship once with its own box - using the most interesting event on the page. If there is more than one interesting event for a person or ship I usually do an additional box to be sure it will not be missed.

I tend to be a little bit more generous with place names - especially when there is no lat/long information - but if the same place is mentioned many times I only do a few of them (spread over time and/or clearest description of position).
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 25 January 2014, 08:16:53
kmarchuk passes the 1000 mark!
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 30 January 2014, 15:37:44
DavidErskine passes the 500 mark!
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 06 February 2014, 03:44:21
There are also 2600 photos taken of/on the Albatross (and many of the revenue cutters, officers and men) in the still pictures branch of the National Archives and in the Anchorage regional branch. If someone happens to be in the DC area or Anchorage and would like to experience a different sort of action on OW send me a PM.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 12 February 2014, 11:06:39
listritz passes the 3000 mark!
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 26 February 2014, 10:33:54
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 March 2014, 13:57:47
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 11 April 2014, 21:38:38
Came across my first mention of the Sigsbee Sounding Machine.
Neat bit of kit.
Sigsbee Sounding Machine  (http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/history/breakthru/media/11_sigsbee_diagram.html)

(sure beats swinging the lead.)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 12 April 2014, 03:10:23
It is mentioned in the Albatross Reference topic ;D
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Pommy Stuart on 12 April 2014, 08:20:16
 :-[
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 April 2014, 13:29:17
kmarchuk passes the 2500 mark!
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 02 July 2014, 03:26:09
DavidErskine
Welcome back !
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 July 2014, 14:40:10
kmarchuk
Welcome back !
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 19 July 2014, 03:17:54
listritz
Welcome back !
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 July 2014, 14:18:08
kmarchuk passes the 3000 mark!
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 24 July 2014, 14:19:30
* Piping aboard Captain kmarchuk *
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 13 August 2014, 04:44:59
kmarchuk passes the 4000 mark!
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 03 September 2014, 08:47:43
Zovacor
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 10 March 2015, 15:20:25
... 
I know from our assigned archivist that the Smithsonian definitely wants our completed logs to be linked to both its specimen collection and these Field Note Logbooks (http://www.biodiversityheritagelibrary.org/subject/Marine%20biology#/titles).  Another case of a different science than climatology valuing our work quite highly.  ;)

Mark said, "That [Albatross] is the ship the Smithsonian wants to link up with, they still have the specimens and want the logs connected.  Can you get them soon?"   8)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 07 June 2015, 19:50:03
May 1895 and the ship has just set off on another cruise.  The logs have a lot of interesting detail.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol025of055/vol025of055_149_1.jpg

Observed 1 Goney, 1 Duck, 2 Whales and several Vellella

and later that day

Passed a school of Whales, 3 Sea Lions, 2 Fur seals, Several Gonies, guillemots, sea parrots, and ducks, a large number of fulmar, and a great quantity of Vellella

Gonies are an old name for albatross.  Vellella is a small blue jellyfish with a sail.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 07 June 2015, 19:56:49
What a fertile and busy waterway.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 08 June 2015, 03:25:21
That should bring joy to the science team!
I hardly ever have animals to report :'(
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 08 June 2015, 04:26:30
The next day...

More sightings and at night

 10.30 a stormy petrel flew on board and was captured

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol025of055/vol025of055_150_1.jpg
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 10 June 2015, 17:53:24
A report in the San Francisco Call 29/5/1895 on its current cruise

ARRIVES AT PORT TOWNSEND.

The Albatross Awaiting Final Orders Before Proceeding North.

PORT TOWNSEND, Wash., May 28.? The United States fish commission steamer Albatross, Lieutenant Commander Drake, arrived this evening and -will await final instructions from the Treasury Department to Captain Hooper before proceeding north to join the Bering Sea patrol, upon which it has been specially detailed, owing to the officers' familiarity with the Alaska coast, secured through extensive cruising in that section in the interest of science in past years. Aboard the Albatross are Professors True and Prentiss, representatives of the Smithsonian Institution, who are going north to study the habits of seals while breeding and collect some of the curious mammals which abound in that country. Other passengers aboard are Professors Townsend, Alexander and Miller of the United States Fish Commission, detailed to make an inspection of cod and other fishing industries, upon which will be based the anticipated concerted protection to be extended next Season. The Albatross will Sail Thursday morning.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 10 June 2015, 18:52:28
 8) 8)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 13 June 2015, 03:10:40
30th May 1895
Throughout the watch, a pup sea lion was swimming around the ship: occassionally climbing in the steam launch, and dinghy: which are secured respectively at the starboard and port lower booms.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol025of055/vol025of055_156_1.jpg

Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 13 June 2015, 03:23:35
It sounds like even the watch keeper got a kick out of that ;)
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Post by: Janet Jaguar on 13 June 2015, 07:34:22
Definitely a fun break from the usual, having a sweet baby entertaining you.
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Post by: AvastMH on 13 June 2015, 15:10:28
Oh that's pretty cute!  :D :D :D
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Post by: Randi on 21 June 2015, 06:03:41
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Post by: AvastMH on 21 June 2015, 13:47:53
Albatross multi-tasking! Well done Hurlock! :D :D :D
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Post by: Hurlock on 25 June 2015, 04:03:01
The weekend just flies by with the Albatross ;D

The 180th Meridian was crossed at 7am and the date changed from Saturday June 29th to Sunday June 30th

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol025of055/vol025of055_186_1.jpg

Both dates on the log page.  This is the last page of the log book.  No entries in any of the lists at the back of the book.  The next log book continues at the next day of the voyage.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 25 June 2015, 10:02:01
 :P
Well, it would:
Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albatross
Albatrosses are highly efficient in the air, using dynamic soaring and slope soaring to cover great distances with little exertion.
;D



Please transcribe both dates - I suspect you have already so ;)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 25 June 2015, 19:20:53
Wow! That's exciting! I never crossed the dateline before (in the logs or for real  ;) )  :D
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 28 June 2015, 18:25:27
I have got a bit stuck on this page - The 8am to Meridian paragraph. 

3rd july 1895 in Nikolski Bay, Bering Island

Boarding Officer came on board from H.R.I.M.S. Jakut: sent Officer to return the call.
No record of a ship this name.  Possibly Russian.

In the anchorage bearings
Ukhod~ Pt possibly Ukhodne
Nothing I can see even close to this name in maps or alaska place name lists



http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol026of055/vol026of055_008_1.jpg
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 28 June 2015, 21:51:23
I found an incredible map of the Komandorski Islands in Wiki Commons - the only one that actually names features.  :)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/Txu-oclc-6654394-nn-58-3rd-ed.jpg
Bless the Army Corps of Engineers and their love of detail.  :)

I think your bearings point is Mys Vkhodnoy
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 29 June 2015, 03:45:15
Also called Vkhodni Point http://www.geographic.org/geographic_names/name.php?uni=-4252895&fid=5530&c=russia
Pretty close to your reading!
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 29 June 2015, 03:53:53
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/russianv.shtml
Quote
Kishinoff    1910    ex- Jakut, 1912 purchased from Russian East Asiatic SS Co., Libau renamed Kishinoff, 1922 under Soviet control, 1925 transferred to Sovtorgflot, U.S.S.R, renamed Pamiat Lenina, 1927 seized by Chinese gunboat and sunk as blockship at Pukou.
:-\



Russian Volunteer Fleet - http://www.gwpda.org/naval/rusvolfl.htm
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 29 June 2015, 04:31:54
Lovely map. Thanks for the help.
I had not given much thought that a word might start with Vkh :o.  I had considered it might be a shortened name beginning V. and also tried variations starting Oo or Yu.

I will transcribe it as Vkhodni Pt and move on.

The ship was confirmed the next day as Russian and Jakut.  Would the HRIMS prefix be His Russian (maybe royal) Imperial Majesties Ship.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 29 June 2015, 08:19:45
I tried googling.  Russian ships have never used such a prefix on their navy ships internally, starting from 1696 to today.  So it is whatever your log keeper thought the Russians should be using I guess.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 29 June 2015, 09:40:21
A rethink on that map I found.  I'm thinking what there is of it should be in our Geographic Help.  The index of all maps is at http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/imw/

Quote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Map_of_the_World
The International Map of the World (called the Millionth Map after its scale of 1:1000000) was a project begun in 1913 to create a complete map of the world according to internationally agreed standards. Roads were depicted in red, towns and railways were depicted in black, and the labels were written in the Roman alphabet.[1]

The Central Bureau of the Map of the World was established at the Ordnance Survey in London. After the Second World War, the United Nations took over the project, and interest waned. Only 800 to 1,000 of 2,500 planned maps were completed.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: d0cent on 29 June 2015, 15:22:20
Russian here! ;)
Quote
Kishinoff    1910    ex- Jakut, 1912 purchased from Russian East
Yep, It isn't the same ship. I've found at least 4 ships with name "Якут" ("Jakut"):
1) steamer https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%AF%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%82_%28%D0%BF%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%B4%29
Of course it's not what you are looking for (was built in 1920)

2) aka "Kishinoff", that you have already found. It's not right boat too, because it was built in 1910 in Copenhagen.
 http://anrai.ru/korabli/node/18.htm

3) mail-boat (1890-1927) Photo (http://u.jimdo.com/www400/o/s3726f4fc9675ca64/img/i7a04ad3293ffd8ba/1349358281/std/%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%87%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B9-%D0%BF%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%B4-%D1%8F%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%82.jpg)
Here you can find some history of this ship (http://www.yakutskhistory.net/%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B9-%D1%84%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%82-%D1%8F%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B8/) (in russian, sorry), if you type word "Якут" in searchbar 
And here some tech info and history (http://www.yakutskhistory.net/%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B9-%D1%84%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%82-%D1%8F%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B8/%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B9-%D1%84%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%82/)  (search by word "ЯКУТ", it's at the end of article).
I think it's not what you are looking for. It sailed mostly on the Lena River.

4) Aviso (1892-1917)  http://www.rusarchives.ru/guide/rgavmf/1201-1250.shtml#1241
I dont know why "1917" there. This ship was in use after 1917 (long story about Russian Civil War...)
http://i60.fastpic.ru/thumb/2013/0925/eb/21bc8608fab57e15b78d303c2fdc23eb.jpeg
I think it is the right ship.

Aaaaand some text in russian about various ships "Jakut" :)
http://vif2ne.ru/forum/0/arhprint/2319591
The first ship mentioned there is the aviso (with photo!).
"Использовался в качестве транспорта, посыльного и гидрографического судна и для охраны промыслов" - was used as a transport, aviso, hydrographic ship and for patrolling.

>Russian ships have never used such a prefix on their navy ships internally, starting from 1696 to today
Yep, "HMS" is british thing, not russian :)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 29 June 2015, 16:15:47
Thanks!
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 29 June 2015, 16:43:08
Lovely.  Someone among us who understands Russian while we are in the Bering Sea.  Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 30 June 2015, 04:37:45
Gosh d0cent! It's great having your Russian talents on board :D I found it really hard managing names when I worked on the Intrepid (I think it was that boat) when it was a supply ship in N. Russia.  (The only smattering of Russian I have comes in latin characters and amounts to 'Desvadanya'.) Almost makes me want to head back to those chilly waters!  Funny story came out of that, the Russian jolly tars had a pet black bear that they fed on strawberry jam sandwiches. When the Intrepid left the Russians said 'what a shame we were going to turn her into bear ham which is so nice, but now you'll miss it'. So the Intrepid's sailors immediately decide to buy the bear to rescue it from keeping the mustard pot in business.  I reckon the Russian tars spotted some tender hearts! Apparently the Intrepid's lot used to hoist strawberry jam sandwiches up one of the masts, and race the bear up it (well they used another mast!). The bear always won. It left me with a sneaky respect for those canny Russian sailors  ;D
PS - the bear ended her days happily in a private zoo - eating strawberry jam sandwiches :)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 03 July 2015, 17:06:56
Lots of animal sightings in the log on the journey back to the Pribylof Islands including this cute one

Observed during watch several petrel, gulls and guillemots and also 6 porpoises playing about 3/4 miles from ship

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol026of055/vol026of055_014_1.jpg

The ship has also spotted Killer Whales in the last few days and this last creature that I cannot decipher (8am to meridian paragraph)

Observed numerous guillemots and puffins, several fulmar, petrel and 3 ~s

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol026of055/vol026of055_011_1.jpg

The word looks like wrens to me :o
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 03 July 2015, 17:12:42
I see 'wrens' as well, but that 'w' doesn't look like the ones in 'weather', for example.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 05 July 2015, 04:32:37
A visit from the HMS Pheasant while the albatross is coaling in Unalaska - Probably not great timing for a visit.

The Com'd'g Officer of H.B.M.S. Pheasant called on board

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol026of055/vol026of055_017_1.jpg

Searching for info on the HMS Pheasant I came across this in a Canadian almanac

... during the past summer, some of Her Majesty's Ships have been engaged in the somewhat ungracious task of assisting the United States cruisers to patrol the high seas in the interests of the Alaska Commercial Company, by excluding those involved in seal hunting from a space of sixty miles from the Pribylof Islands.


Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 05 July 2015, 08:37:34
 8)

SEAL HUNTING IN ALASKA (http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F10E1FFB3C5811738DDDAA0A94DE405B8585F0D3) - History of the Growth of this Important Industry. DAMAGE DONE BY RECKLESS KILLING Five Hundred Thousand Said to Have Been Slaughtered in One Year -- Present Restrictions -- Our Fleet of Cutters. - NYTimes.com - 1895.
Pheasant and Albatross are mentioned in this article ;)
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Post by: Randi on 05 July 2015, 09:44:36
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 05 July 2015, 11:46:35
8)

SEAL HUNTING IN ALASKA (http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F10E1FFB3C5811738DDDAA0A94DE405B8585F0D3) - History of the Growth of this Important Industry. DAMAGE DONE BY RECKLESS KILLING Five Hundred Thousand Said to Have Been Slaughtered in One Year -- Present Restrictions -- Our Fleet of Cutters. - NYTimes.com - 1895.
Pheasant and Albatross are mentioned in this article ;)

It is strange that efforts were not made to protect the Sea Otter at the same time as the fur seals as both species were suffering the same fate.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 05 July 2015, 18:54:55
True - I wonder why that was - were otter pelts less useful I wonder? Seems very odd. They might be smaller than seals - but it only means a bit more stitching!  :-\
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 26 July 2015, 06:23:41
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 28 July 2015, 03:20:00
06/08/1895
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol026of055/vol026of055_043_1.jpg

High speed pursuit of the sealing schooner 'Emma and Louisa' in weather with gale force winds and fog banks.

At 12.00(midnight) there was a schooner in sight...about 1 1/2 miles.

At 4.20 schooner hove to and 4.30 passed under her stern and found her to be the American scooner Emma and Louisa from San Francisco.  Hailed her and ordered her to lay to until boarded.

The Emma and Louisa was evidently not lying to but trying to make under her foresail with the sheet well aft.

Hove to on port tack under fore and main topsails, going ahead with engines at times and so manoeuvring ship as to keep the schooner Emma and Louisa in sight and to leeward.  At 4.10 fired a blank charge from the 37 m/m gun across the bow of the schooner, to which she paid no attention.  At 4.15 made Int (?) signal.  'J.W'- 'Heave to, stop her instantly'.  At same time hoisting the ensign with Int code pennant underneath.  In reply to this schooner hoisted the U.S.Ensign with sealing flag underneath.

At 7.00 Master of Schooner came on board.

At 8.50 the Master of the Schooner Emma and Louisa left the ship.  Signalled time to schooner after which she stood to the Ed.

The schooner Emma and Louisa having been sighted inside the prohibited zone, was followed during the day for the purpose of examination.  The papers and documents of the Master of the Schooner, and his log book having been examined. and it having ~ been found that he had not violated the Acts of the Award or Sealing Regulations for 1895 while within the prohibited zone, and that he was endeavouring to make the best of his way out of said zone, he was therefore allowed to proceed on his cruise with a warning not to enter the zone again.





Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 09 August 2015, 05:17:49
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 09 August 2015, 20:15:24

The schooner Emma and Louisa having been sighted inside the prohibited zone, was followed during the day for the purpose of examination.  The papers and documents of the Master of the Schooner, and his log book having been examined. and it having ~ been found that he had not violated the Acts of the Award or Sealing Regulations for 1895 while within the prohibited zone, and that he was endeavouring to make the best of his way out of said zone, he was therefore allowed to proceed on his cruise with a warning not to enter the zone again.



All sounds pretty itchy - shooting up a boat and checking her log books and all. Exciting stuff!  :o
By the way the funny mark between 'having' and 'been' appears to be a page register number (1-265)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 August 2015, 04:44:03
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Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 19 August 2015, 12:40:39
12th August 1895 - Albatross being quite helpful to the 'English' sealing fleet

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol026of055/vol026of055_049_1.jpg

Gave Master of schooner Enterprise chronometer correction and rendered medical assistance to an injured man of same vessel

Took on board from Maud.S one boat, one canoe, two white men and two indians belonging to schooner Enterprise of Victoria B.C.

At 9.28 stopped near schooner Enterprise and lowered the boat and canoe which had been picked up from the Maud.S and sent the men and boats to the Enterprise.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 21 August 2015, 03:32:43
14th August 1895
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol026of055/vol026of055_051_1.jpg

Mt Akutan in eruption

Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 21 August 2015, 04:06:41
Great find!  AVO does not have any observed eruptions noted for Akutan in 1895 (http://www.avo.alaska.edu/volcanoes/eruptsearchresults.php?fromsearch=1&yearstart=&yearend=&year=&volcano=60).  I will email them this news. :)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on 21 August 2015, 04:49:05
Absolutely great find! I'm curious though as to whether this was an actual eruption, or if it was steam venting during the brief interim between the 1892 and 1896 listed eruptions. Either way, it's still stunning to find something that AVO wasn't aware of.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 21 August 2015, 07:12:40
We inform the AVO, one of Philip's colleagues in England, and the Smithsonian Global Volcanism Program in DC of all of our volcano sightings.  Even when the eruption is already in their records, they are frequently going on "a trapper informed us he saw the eruption last summer" and we can give a date and time.  They love us, even tho our sightings are rare.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 21 August 2015, 08:36:33
Our sightings are rare, but they are well done ;)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 21 August 2015, 18:45:12
August 15th 1895 coaling in Dutch Harbor

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol026of055/vol026of055_052_1.jpg

At 1.00 the Revenue Cutter Corwin got underway, and in first attempting to come alongside the wharf, her main rigging struck against the port guy of the sounding machine platform and bent it slightly.  One of her boat davits struck against the starboard guy bending it slightly. 
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 21 August 2015, 18:50:00
Ooops.  Did her crew help with the repair?
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 22 August 2015, 03:02:21
The San Francisco Call has mention of the Akutan Volcano on 30/8/1895

A volcano on Akutan, a few miles west of here, is sending out great volumes of smoke, and it is doing a little in the way of belching out fire and lava. Last night we were close to it, and as it was clear, a good view was had. I believe this is only periodically active, as I was in this vicinity last season and twice before that, but have not noticed so much smoke from it. There are five volcanoes within 100 miles, four of them at present active, or at least smoking. In one of these, Bogaslov, the crater is on the beach, barely above the water line, while the others are quite lofty. Bogaslov made its appearance in 1796 in the shape of two peaks, half a mile apart, with a sandspit between them. A couple of years ago the spit sank and both peaks were greatly reduced in size. I saw it in 1888 while it was in its old form and was lucky enough to have a sketch of it made for me. It would not now be recognized from the sketch. On Unalaska Island is Makushin volcano which is almost extinct. There is an opportunity for any one to go into business there in immense fields of sulphur which are above the snow line.

The report was received by the paper on 2/8/1895
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 22 August 2015, 03:25:28
More details for the volcanologists!
Well done!
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 22 August 2015, 07:48:15
Which I sent in - it extends our observation to an 18 day period at least and adds description of the type of eruption.  Nice, thank you.  :)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 24 August 2015, 21:17:15
Got this back from the AVO:

Quote
From: Janet
Subject: RE: Mt. Akutan has erupted in 1895...

A forum member Hurlock found a newspaper article that gave additional description and extended the dates of the 1895 eruption back to 1st of August when there was much smoke and some fire and lava.
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85066387/1895-08-30/ed-1/seq-9/#date1=1895&index=0&rows=20&words=Akutan&searchType=basic&sequence=0&state=California&date2=1895&proxtext=Akutan&y=14&x=7&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=1

I don?t know if that helps.

Take care,
Janet

From: Cheryl
Subject: RE: Mt. Akutan has erupted in 1895...

Hello Janet ?

Many thanks to you and Hurlock! That is fantastic eruption information. So great to see a description of the activity, and a note that the observer had previously viewed Akutan not erupting.

We appreciate this very much.
Thank you again,
Cheryl
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 25 August 2015, 13:18:52
Thank you for the feedback
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 06 September 2015, 12:36:59
July 8 and July 7, 1895

The 180th meridian was crossed at 10.00 am and the date changed from Monday July 8th to Sunday July 7th.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol026of055/vol026of055_013_1.jpg

Nice of them to mention it, other ships seem to just leave it as a surprise for the unwary transcriber.  ;)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 10 September 2015, 14:02:46
29th August 1895 Dutch Harbor
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol026of055/vol026of055_066_1.jpg

Benj.F.Butler, a distressed American Sealer who had been shipwrecked on the coast of Japan, came on board for passage to Port Townsend
No luck finding more details.  Too many other Benj.F.Butlers :(

8th September 1895 Sitka Harbor
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol026of055/vol026of055_076_1.jpg

Benj.F.Butler having attained accomodation and employment on shore left the ship

Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 10 September 2015, 15:10:45
I tried to search - the 19th century butler families loved naming their sons Benjamin Franklin.  Sigh.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on 10 September 2015, 23:58:33
I tried to search as well, and found a number of US sealing vessels that went down off the coast of Japan, but none with a Benjamin Butler listed as a survivor.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 20 September 2015, 07:11:49
Hurlock passes the 3000 mark!
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 20 September 2015, 07:13:23
kimma001
welcome to the top 12 !
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 26 September 2015, 14:18:38
September 17th 1895 Steaming S from Plumper Bay b.c

Several references to it being Cloudy and Smoky


http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol026of055/vol026of055_085_1.jpg
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 26 September 2015, 14:33:53
(http://i.imgur.com/DMEbxBA.png)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 26 September 2015, 14:36:39
 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Danny252 on 26 September 2015, 17:11:31
However, both Nicolet and River du Loup (Riviere du Loup) are in Quebec, and Athabaska, SK is a long way from BC!

Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 26 September 2015, 17:42:50
Well, it's likely other forest fires.  If they were using words that are falling out of use now, such as conflagration, I didn't try searching for them.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 13 October 2015, 12:58:32
25th September 1895
More smoke on the water.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol026of055/vol026of055_093_1.jpg

4am- 8am
Cloudy,misty and smoky.
8am - Meridian
Smoky. Light airs from SSE.  standing down San Juan Channel until 8.30 therein being too smoky to do any work, turned around,
Meridian to 4pm
smoky on the hills.

30th September 1895 New Whatcom
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol026of055/vol026of055_098_1.jpg

Clear overhead with thick smoke and fog around horizon
Clear and pleasant but smoky around horizon.
Smoky around horizon.

Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on 14 October 2015, 06:29:31
A quick Google search for "fire 1895" comes back with thousands of individual fires all over the globe. Seems that 1895 was one of the hottest and driest summers in history. Ironically, it was also one of the most frigid winters, and much of the Caribbean and American Southeast were hammered several times throughout the year by massive storms.

I can't find anything *specific* to the San Juan Channel for 1895, although I am finding that early on wildfires on the islands in the channel were apparently an annual thing, and that the fires, along with yellowjackets and lumber that was essentially impossible to work with, were a rather common reason for settlers not staying on the islands for very long.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 15 October 2015, 08:25:05
Yes it was forest fires all along.

1st October 1895 Port Townsend
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol026of055/vol026of055_099_1.jpg

Cloudy and foggy, also dense smoke from forest fires.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 18 October 2015, 15:26:01
3rd October 1895
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol026of055/vol026of055_101_1.jpg

thick fog and smoke.

also

the Al.Ki was aground off Point No Point

It does not seem to have been serious, the ship survived another 20 yrs.  Great name for a geographical point - I had to double check it was real. 
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on 05 November 2015, 07:33:55
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol026of055/vol026of055_071_1.jpg

8PM to Midnight

Moon in total eclipse until 8:30
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on 12 November 2015, 06:27:56
Methinks the Albatross has someone on the watch who can't read a thermometer... How else can you explain a seven (http://"http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol026of055/vol026of055_074_0.jpg") degree drop in water temperature between 10 A.M. and 11 A.M.? Especially with a fairly substantial rise in the readings on the wet and dry bulbs. Did they drop their thermometer next to an ice floe?
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on 12 November 2015, 06:52:13
And upon further review (http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol026of055/vol026of055_074_1.jpg) it certainly appears that that was, in fact, incredibly likely. It seems that they were dodging quite a bit of ice that day
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Danny252 on 12 November 2015, 07:37:57
A drop like that could be caused by by passing rivers fed by glaciers - there's plenty that feed into Yakutat Bay, so I wouldn't be surprised if the bay was significantly cooler than the sea outside, and as you say they were apparently losing plenty of ice at the time! The increase in air temperature could be caused by the clearing cloud - from 10% clear at 8am to 50% clear by noon.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 17 November 2015, 15:52:33
November 3rd 1895
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol026of055/vol026of055_132_1.jpg


Sent steam launch to tow the yacht Rover clear of the ship, she having dragged during the squalls.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 17 November 2015, 17:57:04
Good on them!  :D
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 22 November 2015, 04:19:04
November 13th 1895
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol026of055/vol026of055_142_1.jpg

Looks like they will be making their own uniforms while at Mare Island and Mr Woodhull has a great name for the Navy Yd.  Any ideas what G.S.K is ? 

Received on board in Pay Department from Pay Insp', W.W.Woodhull, U.S.N., G.S.K. : Navy Yd., Mare Id. Cal:- 10 Overcoats, 100 Undershirts, 100 prs Drawers, 201 yds Cap Cloth, 72 yds Trousers Cloth, 290 yds Flannel, 71 1/4 yds Cotton Duck bleached, 22 doz Eagle Buttons, med, 180 doz Rubber Buttons, small, 25 prs Calf Skin Shoes, 200 prs Woolen Socks, 50 Working Suits, 50 White Hats, 100 Watch Caps, 750lb Soap, 48 Jackknives, 50 Wisp Brooms
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 22 November 2015, 04:40:30
William Waters Woodhull (http://www.longislandsurnames.com/getperson.php?personID=I02136&tree=Tuttle), spent his entire 35 year naval career in the pay department.

Quote
http://www.history.navy.mil/browse-by-topic/organization-and-administration/historical-leadership/navy-and-marine-corps-officers-1775-1900/navy-officers-1798-1900-w.html
Woodhull, William W.
Acting Assistant Paymaster, 13 May, 1863. Passed Assistant Paymaster, 23 July, 1866. Paymaster, 10 February, 1870. Pay Inspector, 30 March, 1895. Retired List, 15 June, 1898.

GSK = General Store Keeper ??

General Orders and Circulars Issued by the Navy Department: From 1863 to 1887 (https://books.google.com/books?id=boAtAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA272&lpg=PA272&dq=Navy+%22general+store+keeper%22&source=bl&ots=79aZEJHJJV&sig=0rIzdiP541EXUEL5jdbFNmjtQEU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjK043m0aPJAhUK8CYKHcMUC1UQ6AEIHTAA#v=onepage&q=Navy%20%22general%20store%20keeper%22&f=false)
(http://i.imgur.com/57hzzzU.png)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 22 November 2015, 04:45:59
Yup!

GSk -- General Storekeeper
GSK -- General Stores (http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/ref/OPNAV_29-P1000G.html)

This is a WWII source, but it is probably unchanged.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 22 November 2015, 10:45:58
Thank you both.

I did think GS could be general stores but the K was a mystery. 
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 24 November 2015, 01:56:32
24th November 1895
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol026of055/vol026of055_153_1.jpg

At about 6.30 the yawl was capsized with three men from this ship who had been hunting in her.  Three of the oars were lost, no other losses.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 24 November 2015, 13:14:54
 :o phew! I don't suppose it was fun getting the yawl around with three oars missing - but thank goodness it wasn't three men  :)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 25 November 2015, 14:51:34
At 1pm the logkeeper has invented a cheeky new cloud formation.

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol026of055/vol026of055_162_0.jpg
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 25 November 2015, 14:56:55
At 1pm the logkeeper has invented a cheeky new cloud formation.

 ;D
But this is the US - where "bum" means "homeless person".
Tell an American that Brits sit on bums and see how they react!
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 25 November 2015, 16:34:04
do you really think it says 'bum' - I may have to laugh for a long time  :o ;D ...were the clouds bizarrely buttock like? I need to know  ;) ;) :D
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 27 November 2015, 14:20:46
normal WR page - Transcribed
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol026of055/vol026of055_166_0.jpg

log page mostly obscured by appended supply list - I plan to  transcribe the date and the list
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol026of055/vol026of055_166_1.jpg

normal WR page duplicated - I shall ignore this.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol026of055/vol026of055_167_0.jpg

log page with date obscured by rolled up supply list - I plan to transcribe the log page without the date?
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol026of055/vol026of055_167_1.jpg

Does that sound OK?



Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 27 November 2015, 16:30:15
Yes ;D
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 29 November 2015, 03:03:30
A visit from the first Captain
14th December 1895
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol026of055/vol026of055_174_1.jpg
At 10.00 Comd'r Z.L.Tanner, U.S.Navy; came on board, and in company of the Comd'g Officer inspected the ship.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 29 November 2015, 15:17:24
In dry dock from 17th December 1895.  No water temperature readings obviously.

 http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol026of055/vol026of055_177_0.jpg
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 29 November 2015, 15:50:26
18th December 1895

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol026of055/vol026of055_178_1.jpg

The Captain restricted, P.A.Paymaster, E.D.Ryan, U.S.N. to the ship for ten days " for violation of Articles 702 and 1608, of the U.S.Navy Regulations. 'Disrespect to the Commanding Officer'. Forwarding an official letter to the Commissioner requesting him to issue an arbitrary order, conflicting with the standing orders in this vessel, and without the knowledge or approval of the Commanding Officer."
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 29 November 2015, 16:05:14
 :o :o :o
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 29 November 2015, 17:02:55
E.D. Ryan sounds a bit full of himself.
Quote
http://www.history.navy.mil/browse-by-topic/organization-and-administration/historical-leadership/navy-and-marine-corps-officers-1775-1900/navy-officers-1798-1900-r.html
Ryan, Eugene D.
Naval Cadet, 4 September, 1886. Resigned 18 February, 1890. Assistant Paymaster, 29 July, 1892. Passed Assistant Paymaster, 27 February, 1895. Paymaster, 3 May, 1899.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 01 December 2015, 15:10:47
31st December 1895 ends this log book.  The ship is in Mare Island dry dock having its bottom painted pink (Red lead and White zinc 50/50) and the water line moved up 4 inches.
The next log carries on from this one but there are no crew/officer/instrument lists completed.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 01 December 2015, 17:20:59
PINK??!??  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  Lovely
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 01 December 2015, 18:16:43
2nd January 1896
ship now out of dry dock and water temperatures resume.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on 05 December 2015, 00:51:31
I have an incredibly difficult time picturing the hull actually being pink. Red lead is more of a rusty red color, almost orange, and white zinc is a very light shade of grey. The combination of the two would be more of a reddish orange-brown color, similar to the shade you get with dried up, crusty blood than actually being pink.

Like the middle section of this ship here.

(http://icsclass.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/red-hull.jpg)

Red lead would have been closer to that middle section just on it's own, given that it was literally lead oxide. Surprisingly, we *still* use red lead in certain painting applications even today, although it's illegal for use in marine paints now, due to its toxicity.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 05 December 2015, 01:07:08
You are right, it's more like a faded red than anything "pink".  interesting.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 05 December 2015, 04:06:34
Jan 13th 1896
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol027of055/vol027of055_018_1.jpg

Received on board 100, 60lb Sounding shot, 52, 30lb Sounding shot: 1 bale and 1 bag of Cork for cork painting.

Cork painting?  Some kind of paint effect maybe?
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 07 December 2015, 18:56:44
Sunday 2nd February 1896
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol027of055/vol027of055_038_1.jpg

The Floating Society of Christian Endeavour held religious services on board.

This was a christian temperance movement.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Helen J on 08 December 2015, 10:29:17
'Temperance' and 'Floating' sound a bit contradictory - or is it just my warped imagination?   :D
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 08 December 2015, 11:03:50
'Floating' is one of those words that gives whatever it's attached to a wee push towards the absurd, at least in modern usage.  ;)

'Temperance' and 'Floating' sound a bit contradictory - or is it just my warped imagination?   :D
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 08 December 2015, 13:16:08
I looked them up - the "Floating" branch is so dead, it isn't in Wiki or much of anywhere else.  But the original Young People's Society of Christian Endeavor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_People%27s_Society_of_Christian_Endeavour) is still a going concern.  It was the original Youth Ministry, involving young people as valid members of Christian ministry, teaching the young a sober lifestyle.  And yes, in the 1880s that meant being a temperance organization.  I believe the "Floating" branch were recruiting sailors to try to convert all sailors to sobriety.  Interesting, in that I had never heard of them before.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 10 December 2015, 16:28:51
Some kind of military festival in San Diego?
Friday 7th February 1896
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol027of055/vol027of055_043_1.jpg
U.S.S. Monterey came into harbor and saluted Flagship with 13 guns, latter returned same with 7 guns.
Saturday 8th February 1896
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol027of055/vol027of055_044_1.jpg
Captain, Paymaster, and Ensign R.H.Leigh left the ship to take part in a military parade in San Diego.  Numerous visitors on board
Sunday 9th February 1896
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol027of055/vol027of055_045_1.jpg
Numerous visitors on board
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 10 December 2015, 18:11:04
SAN DIEGO'S NAVAL PARADE. (http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=SFC18960208.2.26)
"When the Monterey came into port it saluted the flagship Philadelphia and the Albatross, and both responded with a salute of seven guns."
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 11 December 2015, 13:10:50
Nice find!
The Parade is in honour of Rear Admiral Beardslee, boss of the Pacific Squadron.  Possibly as he has just turned 60yrs old.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 13 December 2015, 16:12:31
21st February 1896
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol027of055/vol027of055_057_1.jpg
At 8.30 sent to U.S.S. Monterey for 'diver' and diving apparatus.  At 10.15 sent diver down to examine port screw bearings, made examination of bearings and blades; was unable to find anything except Kelp caught in struts and from forward strut wound around the shaft.  Finished examination at 11.50.  Allowance for time actually underwater, 1 hour and 30 minutes.

Our own floating forest
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 14 December 2015, 10:51:58
February 23rd 1896
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol027of055/vol027of055_059_1.jpg
At 4.35 let go lines from dock and steamed out of harbor to the relief of H.B.M.S.Comus, aground on La Playa Bar, ship conned by the Captain and Navigator.  Took Comus' line and at 6.45 hauled her clear of bar.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 14 December 2015, 13:41:07
21st February 1896
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol027of055/vol027of055_057_1.jpg
At 8.30 sent to U.S.S. Monterey for 'diver' and diving apparatus.  At 10.15 sent diver down to examine port screw bearings, made examination of bearings and blades; was unable to find anything except Kelp caught in struts and from forward strut wound around the shaft.  Finished examination at 11.50.  Allowance for time actually underwater, 1 hour and 30 minutes.

Our own floating forest

 ;D Perhaps we should report this to Zooniverse Kelp Forests (history division)? (jesting of course  8))
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 14 December 2015, 13:44:56
February 23rd 1896
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol027of055/vol027of055_059_1.jpg
At 4.35 let go lines from dock and steamed out of harbor to the relief of H.B.M.S.Comus, aground on La Playa Bar, ship conned by the Captain and Navigator.  Took Comus' line and at 6.45 hauled her clear of bar.

This made such a funny picture in my mind...the Captain of the Comus shouting at top throttle 'Albatross!! Will you please get out of port so we can get unstuck!?"  :D
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 16 December 2015, 06:19:43
29th February 1896 Coronado
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol027of055/vol027of055_065_1.jpg

Got up steam on steam-cutter and prepared steam-cutter, 1st cutter, and whaleboat to take part in the water carnival.

Sent steam and 1st cutter to 'Philadelphia' with Admiral's guests.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 16 December 2015, 15:51:01
that sounds very jolly  :D
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 16 December 2015, 16:16:59
http://www.coronado.ca.us/department/division.php?fDD=13-97 ;D
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 17 December 2015, 09:28:15
that sounds very jolly  :D

Probably intentionally very jolly.  I do not think the ordinary citizenry had very much to be happy about in San Diego/Coronado which still needed a lot of development to become prosperous and was probably very reliant on Navy Work.  The local newspaper mentions a sort of social season with officers families moving into the area and organising events while the Rear Admiral is in Port.
Unless there was an afternoon carnival on the week before this is what they were preparing for.

7th March 1896
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol027of055/vol027of055_072_1.jpg

About 7.30 the steam cutter, 1st cutter, whaleboat, and dinghy left the ship to take part in the Water Carnival.

From about 8 to 10 the water carnival took place, consisting of a procession of boats from the ships in port, and boats from shore, illuminated with colored lanterns.  The Flagship Philadelphia dressed ship with lights.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 17 December 2015, 09:46:07
Actually, that kind of participation by the military is what got the Chicago Air and Water Show its popularity, at a much later date.  A small neighborhood water festival was planned, and some one thought, "let's ask the Coast Guard for a demo of helicopter water rescue."  And it took off.

Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 22 December 2015, 17:13:03
18th December 1895

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol026of055/vol026of055_178_1.jpg

The Captain restricted, P.A.Paymaster, E.D.Ryan, U.S.N. to the ship for ten days " for violation of Articles 702 and 1608, of the U.S.Navy Regulations. 'Disrespect to the Commanding Officer'. Forwarding an official letter to the Commissioner requesting him to issue an arbitrary order, conflicting with the standing orders in this vessel, and without the knowledge or approval of the Commanding Officer."

31st March 1896
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol027of055/vol027of055_096_1.jpg

Ass't. Paymaster, Barron P. Da Bois, U.S.N., reported on board for duty as the relief of Passed Asst. Paymaster, E.D.Ryan. U.S.N.  Passed Ass't Paymaster Eugene D.Ryan, U.S.N. was detached from duty on board this vessel, on making the required transfers to his relief, including public funds in his possession, and on deposit, ordered to proceed home, settle accounts, and then granted three months leave.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 22 December 2015, 17:57:02
He seems to have an anger problem.  From http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/

Las Vegas daily optic., June 05, 1897, Image 1
About Las Vegas daily optic. (Las Vegas, N.M.) 1880-1908
(http://i.imgur.com/gqBBELo.png)

His career did survive: http://www.history.navy.mil/browse-by-topic/organization-and-administration/historical-leadership/navy-and-marine-corps-officers-1775-1900/navy-officers-1798-1900-r.html
Naval Cadet, 4 September, 1886. Resigned 18 February, 1890. Assistant Paymaster, 29 July, 1892. Passed Assistant Paymaster, 27 February, 1895. Paymaster, 3 May, 1899.

Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 22 December 2015, 18:04:25
 :o :o :o

Great find!
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on 25 December 2015, 02:21:35
Good find, indeed, but it seems that Mr. Reed was the one with the anger management problem. E.D. Ryan seems to have more of a "not trying to seduce married women who aren't interested in you" problem.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 25 December 2015, 09:54:19
Good find, indeed, but it seems that Mr. Reed was the one with the anger management problem. E.D. Ryan seems to have more of a "not trying to seduce married women who aren't interested in you" problem.

E.D. Ryan sees to have a major problem respecting anyone else's boundaries and territory.  Neither naval officers' authority nor marriage vows matter.  And I also noticed the Navy seems to be keeping him in shore posts and no longer confining him inside the hull of a ship.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 26 December 2015, 16:17:41
21st February 1896
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol027of055/vol027of055_057_1.jpg
At 8.30 sent to U.S.S. Monterey for 'diver' and diving apparatus.  At 10.15 sent diver down to examine port screw bearings, made examination of bearings and blades; was unable to find anything except Kelp caught in struts and from forward strut wound around the shaft.  Finished examination at 11.50.  Allowance for time actually underwater, 1 hour and 30 minutes.

Our own floating forest

More kelp issues

April 15th 1896 in gale force winds

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol027of055/vol027of055_111_1.jpg
Two oars were broken in the whale boat by fouling in the kelp.

Very difficult to make out the name of the Seaman discharged in the sentence above this though.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 26 December 2015, 17:54:10
The name looks like Sure (would be pronounced soo-reh in Japanese) Sawada.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 26 December 2015, 18:10:24
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol027of055/vol027of055_112_1.jpg
He reenlists the next day with much more legible writing
Shipped Ture Yamada, (Sea) for one year from this date

also to save on oars

got underway and shifted anchorage to inside of kelp line

Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 27 December 2015, 10:26:00
Welcome back, then, Seaman Yamada.  :)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on 31 December 2015, 08:45:09
Late to the party, but this kelp problem is (dare I say it) historically significant. 1896 was the year that scientists began taking note of what they thought (and turned out to actually be) excessive algae growth in areas of rapid population expansion. This massive explosion in the kelp forests (among other, more disgusting things) is what led us to realize that there water quality is a significant player in algal growth, which was sort of our first real moment, as a species, where we had to take a step back and say, "we just might be responsible for this".

The kelp explosion of 1896 also led to the discovery of cyanobacteria. Prior to this, people sort of knew about the infamous "red tides", but nobody really understood what caused them. The average Joe just knew to stay away from seafood when conditions were unfavorable, but that was about it. If I recall correctly (and I probably don't, I'll be honest about that), it wasn't really taught outside of marine biology that cyanobacteria were a thing until nearly 100 years later, when we began to *really* focus on conservation on a global scale.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 31 December 2015, 16:42:01
That's fascinating! I wonder if our friends on Zooniverse Kelp Forests would be interested? I'm guessing that all this history is known to them anyway. And it's what kelp is doing right now that is their focus.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 31 December 2015, 17:04:32
That's fascinating! I wonder if our friends on Zooniverse Kelp Forests would be interested? I'm guessing that all this history is known to them anyway. And it's what kelp is dong right now that is their focus.

I asked them if they were interested in Albatross back then - be interesting to see their response.  :)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 06 January 2016, 14:48:31
22nd May 1896
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol027of055/vol027of055_148_1.jpg
It looks like the ship is finally getting ready for a voyage from the stores arriving.  I have seen several mentions of tea being delivered.  None of Coffee.  Not what I expected.

Received on board in Pay Dep't from General Storekeeper, Navy Yard: the following stores:-, 74 1/2 gals Beans, 384 lb R'st Beef, 336 lb Rst Mutton, 132 lb Rice, 100lb Tea, 288 lb Brawn, 20 Overcoats, 25 p'rs Shoes, 50 W.Jumpers, 25 Jerseys, 273 y'ds Cap Cloth, 109 yds Cox' Duck, 1008 spools Sew' Silk, 750 lb Soap, 286 lb Corned Beef, 420 lb Biscuit, 400 lb Pork, 1951 lb Sugar, 30 gals Vinegar, 100 Neckerchiefs, 10 Rating Badges, 100 p'rs Socks, 50 Working Trousers, 100 Lanyards, 150 yds Trousers Cloth, 382 yds Flannel, 5 Mess Kettles, 400lb Tobacco.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on 07 January 2016, 02:11:58
I wonder if the Commander perhaps had a penchant for tea as opposed to coffee because he didn't want his crew to suffer the crash that you can get from the caffeine overload in coffee, but don't get with tea, which sustains a milder lift over a longer period of time.

Or perhaps because they didn't want to take the time to grind coffee beans when they could just brew an easy cup of tea? After all, instant coffee wouldn't be invented for another 10 years.

Or, more likely than anything, the Navy Yard "misplaced" the allotment they asked for.


Although now I'm curious... was Brazil going through a drought at the time, similar in scale to the one they're going through right now? There's a coffee shortage coming (at least according the Washington Post last week) thanks to the unseasonable dryness in northern South America right now.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 11 January 2016, 06:05:17
One of the only mentions of armament on the Albatross. 
28th May 1896
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol027of055/vol027of055_154_1.jpg
Dismounted, overhauled, cleaned, and assembled 37 m/m Revolving Cannon.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 11 January 2016, 16:33:25
Although now I'm curious... was Brazil going through a drought at the time, similar in scale to the one they're going through right now? There's a coffee shortage coming (at least according the Washington Post last week) thanks to the unseasonable dryness in northern South America right now.
that's going to upset the boss at work - he's into northern South American coffee :(

I guess that money only went so far - perhaps it was simply to expensive then to give the crew coffee instead of tea. Though I hear that it's a brave captain that doesn't provide his crew with their much loved food/drinks  :o
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 13 January 2016, 10:59:23
They have had more stores delivered including coffee pots.  Maybe just not recorded.

5th June 1896 and finally underway for a cruise North.  A huge list of items for engineering.  Can anyone make out what the item is halfway down the list after the rubber sheeting? 25 lb 1/16" Us~

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol027of055/vol027of055_162_1.jpg

Also why would they put over Walker and Bliss logs for the voyage?  Are they comparing how accurate they are?
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 13 January 2016, 11:12:17
usudurian

https://www.wordnik.com/words/usudurian
from The Century Dictionary and Cyclopedia
    n. A packing-material prepared from unvulcanized rubber combined with other materials.

http://www.forgottenbooks.com/readbook_text/General_Catalog_Pacific_B_1914_1000204009/437
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 13 January 2016, 12:55:07
Usudurian!
Yes thats it.  Added to transcription of list.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 13 January 2016, 14:52:58
Also why would they put over Walker and Bliss logs for the voyage?  Are they comparing how accurate they are?

Concord did that on occasion, and recorded both values. I believe it was to compare them.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on 14 January 2016, 10:48:07
I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that they were checking out some of the new (at the time) features of some of the prototypes that Walker and Bliss were working on at the time. If I'm remembering correctly (and I might not be) this would have been right around the time that both Thomas Walker & Son and Bliss & Company would have been starting to include mercury manometers on their taffrail log (there are a lot of different ways to say patent log, aren't there) designs, in order to measure differences in water pressure. These early manometer designs would be instrumental to the success of submarine warfare, although design improvements allowing the pitometers to equalize pressure internally to balance out dynamic pressure would eventually render the mercury manometer obsolete.

Patent logs have been around for several hundred years, and have changed a bit from their original geared, screw-type design, but still operate today on essentially the same principal (even if they're usually attached to the hull now, rather than thrown over the rail.

And since a lot of people have never seen what a patent log looks like... here's a neat picture of a Thomas Walker & Son "Harpoon" taffrail log. I'm not entirely sure of the specific year it was invented, but it would have been right around the turn of the 20th century, so it's contemporary to what we're seeing in our logbooks, although I would imagine that given the demands of coastal and deep-water surveying, this particular model wouldn't have been what our boys were throwing over the rail.

(http://www.maritime-antiques.co.uk/log,A1.jpg)

Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 14 January 2016, 11:04:16
There's nothing but scientists as officers on Albatross - even the Navy officers on loan were intellectual and inventive.  If I was making new prototypes for any maritime measuring equipment, I'd want a ship like that as a tester second only to a survey ship.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 January 2016, 11:26:54
Added link to HatterJack's comment to OWpedia (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3209.msg52817#msg52817) ;)

According to http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/42936.html, the harpoon log was patented in 1861...
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 14 January 2016, 13:29:26
10th June 1896 Victoria B.C.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol027of055/vol027of055_167_1.jpg
Good deed for the day
Charles McNair, came on board for passage to Seattle, he being a destitute American.

and hello to the Patterson in Seattle
The Comd'g Officer, U.S.C.S. Patterson paid an official visit to the ship.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 14 January 2016, 13:50:25
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20108/IMG_1407_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/USCS%20Patterson/Book%20108/IMG_1407_1.jpg
 ;)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on 15 January 2016, 08:00:33
10th June 1896 Victoria B.C.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol027of055/vol027of055_167_1.jpg
Good deed for the day
Charles McNair, came on board for passage to Seattle, he being a destitute American.

and hello to the Patterson in Seattle
The Comd'g Officer, U.S.C.S. Patterson paid an official visit to the ship.

So... I did some digging on this Charles McNair character, because the name carries a bit of weight in certain parts of the country. Admittedly, I didn't find a whole lot, but digging through the Census and National Registries came back with some interesting, if not wildly speculative information. In the state of Washington, there was only one Charles McNair listed as a resident of the state. He only shows up in the 1894, 1895, and 1897 registries. I'm going to guess that he wasn't originally from Washington State (as a relatively small number of people with Scottish last names would have been native Washingtonians in 1896, seeing as how it had only existed as a state for 7 years at that point, and the land itself had only seen 2 generations of European colonization), but was lured to the region in light of the multiple gold and silver rushes along the Pacific seaboard around that time. It's possible that he had originally gone to Alaska from wherever he was born, in hopes of taking part in the Resurrection Creek gold rush, went bust, and made his way south looking for work until he wound up in Washington State.

1896 was the year that sparked the Klondike gold rush (arguably the more famous of the six "great" gold rushes in North America), which would make it unsurprising that he would leave Washington in hopes of striking it rich. Being described as a "destitute American" carries the implication that he was entirely unsuccessful (and that he was brought aboard in Victoria implies he likely was so down on his luck that he never even managed to make it to the Klondike in the first place). He then returned to Washington, thanks to our crew, only to be lured away again, perhaps by the Atlin rush a bit closer to home.

Again, this is pure speculation (since a name in a book that can't be tied to anything else concretely is just a name in a book), but it's a fun little piece of theoretical history, given everything that was going on in the region at the time.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 15 January 2016, 12:44:32
I checked Ancestry.com, and he was in Seattle for the 1900 census.  And he got married in 1896 but they were still living in a rooming house.  And I think you are right about him being broke and hitchhiking his way home from a gold rush, but he may also have been visiting family as his father was Canadian.  He is the only "Charles Mcnair" born 1860 +/- 10 years anywhere in the US Census - which probably means the records are not all online.

Quote
Charles Mcnair
 in the 1900 United States Federal Census

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Name:   Charles Mcnair
Age:   38
Birth Date:   Sep 1861
Birthplace:   Iowa
Home in 1900:   Seattle Ward 5, King, Washington
Race:   White
Gender:   Male
Relation to Head of House:   Roomer
Marital Status:   Married
Marriage Year:   1896
Years Married:   4
Father's Birthplace:   Canada English
Mother's Birthplace:   Ohio
Occupation:   View on Image
Neighbors:   View others on page
Household Members:   
Name   Age
...
Lizzie Mcnair   35
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on 16 January 2016, 01:35:35
I checked Ancestry.com, and he was in Seattle for the 1900 census.  And he got married in 1896 but they were still living in a rooming house.  And I think you are right about him being broke and hitchhiking his way home from a gold rush, but he may also have been visiting family as his father was Canadian.  He is the only "Charles Mcnair" born 1860 +/- 10 years anywhere in the US Census - which probably means the records are not all online.

Quote
Charles Mcnair
 in the 1900 United States Federal Census

-----------
Name:   Charles Mcnair
Age:   38
Birth Date:   Sep 1861
Birthplace:   Iowa
Home in 1900:   Seattle Ward 5, King, Washington
Race:   White
Gender:   Male
Relation to Head of House:   Roomer
Marital Status:   Married
Marriage Year:   1896
Years Married:   4
Father's Birthplace:   Canada English
Mother's Birthplace:   Ohio
Occupation:   View on Image
Neighbors:   View others on page
Household Members:   
Name   Age
...
Lizzie Mcnair   35

They're almost certainly not all online if that's the case, as there was a Charles McNair who was Sheriff of Lincoln County Mississippi. That Charles McNair was born in 1860, and died of tuberculosis in 1898. Clearly not the only Charles McNair in the country, but given the population of Washington at the time, the one you found on Ancestry.com is almost certainly our man. Also, I wonder if perhaps he begged for passage aboard the Albatross specifically to get back to Seattle to get married. Given the time frame, it's either that or there's a love at first sight romance story in there somewhere.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Janet Jaguar on 16 January 2016, 02:17:34
Quote
They're almost certainly not all online if that's the case, as there was a Charles McNair who was Sheriff of Lincoln County Mississippi. That Charles McNair was born in 1860, and died of tuberculosis in 1898. Clearly not the only Charles McNair in the country, but given the population of Washington at the time, the one you found on Ancestry.com is almost certainly our man. Also, I wonder if perhaps he begged for passage aboard the Albatross specifically to get back to Seattle to get married. Given the time frame, it's either that or there's a love at first sight romance story in there somewhere.

Definitely a romantic adventure story in there somewhere.  :)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 16 January 2016, 04:04:36
The McNairs missed out on the the romantic possibility of having the Captain marry them.

On June 12th 1896
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol027of055/vol027of055_169_1.jpg

E.Mitchell (Sea), and F.W.A.Tiepelmann (F1cl.) returned on board 47 1/2 hours overtime.

Not particularly unusual except that they must have chased the ship from Victoria B.C. to Seattle
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 16 January 2016, 14:13:52
Quote
They're almost certainly not all online if that's the case, as there was a Charles McNair who was Sheriff of Lincoln County Mississippi. That Charles McNair was born in 1860, and died of tuberculosis in 1898. Clearly not the only Charles McNair in the country, but given the population of Washington at the time, the one you found on Ancestry.com is almost certainly our man. Also, I wonder if perhaps he begged for passage aboard the Albatross specifically to get back to Seattle to get married. Given the time frame, it's either that or there's a love at first sight romance story in there somewhere.

Definitely a romantic adventure story in there somewhere.  :)

What a lovely lovely story. I fear that his death from tuberculosis might indicate that he remained poor  :(
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 22 January 2016, 04:00:45
June 24th 1896
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol027of055/vol027of055_181_1.jpg

The following members of the Seal Commission came on board:-, Professor D.S.Jordan, in charge: Mr J.Murray, Assistant: Mr G.A.Clark, Stenographer: Dr L.Stejneger, and Dr F.A.Lucas of the National Museum: Professor D'Arcy.W.Thompson, Dundee University; Professor J.M.Macoun: and A.Marett, (Assistant)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on 22 January 2016, 07:12:30
June 24th 1896
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol027of055/vol027of055_181_1.jpg

The following members of the Seal Commission came on board:-, Professor D.S.Jordan, in charge: Mr J.Murray, Assistant: Mr G.A.Clark, Stenographer: Dr L.Stejneger, and Dr F.A.Lucas of the National Museum: Professor D'Arcy.W.Thompson, Dundee University; Professor J.M.Macoun: and A.Marett, (Assistant)

Fun fact about Commissioner David Starr Jordan with regard to the 1896 commission report's findings:

Shortly after the Seal Commission issued it's final report in 1897, the US House of Representatives used the report as evidence while debating the fur seal protection bill, as well as testimony from Commissioner Jordan. Representative Randall of Iowa thought that a particular chart (a rough map of the Seal Islands in the Aleutian archipelago) used in the report looked familiar, and did some research. As it turned out, Commissioner Jordan had used the very same chart in a book that he wrote after resigning his position with the Commission. Mister Randall publicly accused Mister Jordan of plagiarism, as he did not credit the Commission's report as the source of the chart in his book, while the report itself credited the chart to a Professor Orrin Leslie Elliot. He attempted to use this act of plagiarism as an attack on Mister Jordan's character, and to call into question the facts contained within the Commission's report.

This is where things get a little weird.

It turns out that the chart contained within the report was printed against Jordan's initial instruction, because it wasn't particularly accurate and he wanted all of the information contained within the report to be as accurate as possible. He had originally tried to stall publication of the report by a few months, in order to have an accurate chart drawn up. However, he was advised by Assistant Treasury Secretary Charles Hamlin that a rough chart showing relative location and the migratory path of the seals would be sufficient so as not to delay the publication. Jordan acquiesced and Elliot's rough chart was included in the report, although Jordan never saw it prior to publication, and the report itself didn't credit anyone in particular with its creation.

When publishing his book, Jordan inquired of the Treasury whether or not he could use it without obligation, and received the Department's approval, and a statement of assurance that the information within the chart was essentially public domain, as the chart had been created chiefly based on data returned by ship logs (the Albatross among them). Jordan included the chart after receiving that approval, and several years passed without incident.

Shortly before the House began debating the seal bill, Mister Elliot came forward and publicly laid claim to the authorship of the chart, but was rebuffed by the Treasury Department, which maintained that the information in the chart was not gathered, analyzed, or in any way created by him. In light of a statement by the Treasury with regard to the controversy on behalf of Mister Jordan, Representative Randall was effectively rebuked and debate resumed on the bill.

Perhaps the most interesting facet of the whole spectacle is that from 1891 until 1913 (the year following the seal bill debacle) Jordan and Elliot were both founding faculty of Stanford University, with Jordan as the first President and Elliot as the first registrar. Methinks there may have been some bad blood between the two following the plagiarism accusation, although Jordan retired due to declining health.

BONUS FUN FACT!

Doctor Jordan shares another connection to our beloved Albatross! In its previous service under the command of the illustrious and fabulously whiskered Lieutenant Commander Zera Luther Tanner, the Albatross made a rather famous journey to the Galapagos with famed naturalist Alexander Emanuel Agassiz. Agassiz was the son of (also famed and highly controversial naturalist) Louis Agassiz. In the summer of 1873, Jordan joined the elder Agassiz at Penikese Island, and spent his time studying and classifying various species of North Atlantic fish. Unfortunately, he did not get a chance to meet with the younger Agassiz directly, as he was rather busy running a mining conglomerate, building a railroad, and dredging a channel, all in Michigan at the time.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 22 January 2016, 08:40:50
Cool story, Jack!  :)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 06 February 2016, 14:34:03
Two days logs on one page. :P

http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol028of055/vol028of055_031_1.jpg

Crossed 180 meridian between four and five o'clock, and changed date to Monday, July 27th.

They must be expecting coaling stops to be few and far between as they have emptied one of their laboratories at Dutch Harbor and used it as a coal bunker.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 06 February 2016, 17:23:40
Well I don;t blame them...for the poor ordinary sailors a dose of steam in bad weather rather than going up some dangerous bits of string to sort out sails seems quite attractive, more so than a microscope  ;) ;) :D
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Danny252 on 08 February 2016, 05:50:57
The Albatross does seem to have lacked sufficient coal storage space - I think there's photos around showing coal sacks wedged in every free corner of the ship (and probably a few non-free ones, going by your laboratory story!).
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on 10 February 2016, 09:03:13
The Albatross does seem to have lacked sufficient coal storage space - I think there's photos around showing coal sacks wedged in every free corner of the ship (and probably a few non-free ones, going by your laboratory story!).

The unfortunate downside of a long range research vessel is balancing research equipment with fuel storage. Modern vessels suffer the same problems. As an example, the Calypso (Jaques-Yves Cousteau's famous ship) lost quite a bit of its range when it was converted from a minesweeper to a research vessel. You can store a lot in a ship's hold, but space aboard is always going to be limited, and its easier to sacrifice fuel storage than it is to ask a crew to give up their already cramped quarters.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 11 February 2016, 15:27:45
10 years later...
24th June 1905 Union Bay B.C.

Finished stowing deck load of coal, having 280 bags in starboard gangway and 275 in the port.


Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 04 March 2016, 04:00:06
13th September 1896 Hakodate, Japan
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol028of055/vol028of055_079_1.jpg

About 7 o'clock a japanese scow, with three men on board adrift in the harbor, drifted alongside this ship and was then secured astern for the night or until the Steamship Co. sends for it.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 04 March 2016, 08:29:17
It doesn't sound like a very comfortable way to pass the night, but I suppose it is a lot better than drifting out of the harbor.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 04 March 2016, 10:21:24
14th September 1896
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol028of055/vol028of055_080_1.jpg

At 8.30 a tug came out and towed away the japanese lighter which had been lying astern during the night.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 13 March 2016, 12:07:26
27th September 1896 Yokohama
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At 1.30 the Steamship Empress of China came into port, dressed rainbow fashion with the Chinese Standard at the fore, having on board Li Hung Chang and staff.  The China Steamer lying in port waiting for his arrival dressed ship.

Li Hung Chang was a prominent Chinese General/Diplomat/Politician of the time.  He is just returning from a tour of Europe which included the Coronation of the Tsar in Russia and a Spithead review in Britain.  Things must be tense with Japan though as no salutes are mentioned as having been fired.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 13 March 2016, 17:32:40
Was that  a bit of a snub to the Japanese authorities? Marking the Chinese visit noticeably but nothing for Japan in Yokahama? The impression I have is that the USA was having an awkward time with the other side of the Pacific around those years.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 14 March 2016, 02:35:50
Possibly more a snub to the Chinese to avoid offending the Japanese. 
No salutes for the Chinese minister by the many warships in the harbour.  Lots of salutes in the days before and after for ships arriving.
Sept 28th 1896
At 8.05 the German Flagship Kaiser came inside the breakwater and moored to a buoy.  The Kaiser fired a salute of 21 guns, Japanese flag at the main, this salute was returned from fort on shore.  The Russian ship Dimitri Donskoi fired a salute of 13 guns, German flag at fore, this salute was returned by the Kaiser. 
Sept 25th 1896
The U.S. Consul General at Kanagawa visited the Mexican Flagship Zaragoza, and on leaving a salute of nine guns was fired with the U.S. Ensign at the fore
Sept 22nd 1896
At 10.40 Russian Man-of-war Dimitri Donskoi came into port. Sent an officer to the Zaragosa and Dimitri Donskoi to give compliments of Commanding Officer.  Russian Man-of-war saluted Japanese flag with 21 guns and Mexican flag with 13 guns, latter returned by Zaragoza
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 14 March 2016, 18:22:45
I don't suppose the local birds were too enamoured of all that gunnery action  :o ;D
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on 16 March 2016, 04:56:19
Was that  a bit of a snub to the Japanese authorities? Marking the Chinese visit noticeably but nothing for Japan in Yokahama? The impression I have is that the USA was having an awkward time with the other side of the Pacific around those years.

In all honesty, this was probably a figurative giant middle finger to Japan. This was only a year after the Empire of Japan utterly humiliated the Qing dynasty in the First Sino-Japanese War. It's hardly fair to say it that way, seeing as the Chinese had, in the fifty years leading up to the war with Japan, two costly wars with the British (the so called Opium Wars of 1839 and 1859), and another with France (1885). Economically, China was a sitting duck, and with their all but official annexation of Korea, the Japanese moved in for the kill to prevent that. Despite being outnumbered three-to-one, the Japanese inflicted in the neighborhood of thirty casualties for every one they received, given their rather massive technological superiority at the time. With their economy in shambles, losing the war with Japan was inevitable.

To be fair, the First Sino-Japanese War was essentially the pivotal conflict that set the stage for East Asian geopolitics today. The difference now being that Korea is divided, China is one of the most powerful economies on the planet (although it does show signs of weakness), and Japan being allied with the nation that spends more on its military than the nearest ten countries spend on theirs combined.

It also set the stage for the Boxer Rebellion, which the US wasn't really a party to, but if you start with the Juye Incident, is only a year away.

Now that I've said all that, I'll reiterate my point by mentioning that traditionally, a salute is fired first by the ship entering the harbor, and then by the guns on shore. This would have been impossible for the Empress of China, as she was a Canadian vessel (I do my research pretty thoroughly these days) that served as a passenger liner; meaning she had no guns aboard. Flying the Chinese ensign while flying all of its flags from stem to stern would have been a symbol of great patriotism... for China - in a Japanese port, shortly after losing a war with Japan. Given the cultural emphasis on tradition and honor among both the Chinese and the Japanese, this would have been quietly tolerated by the Japanese, but it was definitely meant to be - and likely was taken as - an insult to the Empire of Japan.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 16 March 2016, 14:53:36
that's an impressive piece of research and very interesting indeed.  It's amazing how memorable a snub can be. I'm sure that it was noted - and remembered for a LONG time  ::) :(
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on 16 March 2016, 22:44:19
I think some of the centuries-old quotes by Confucius kind of sum up pretty well how deeply ingrained the concepts of revenge and holding grudges became in Chinese culture at the very least. Some of my favorite examples:

"Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves."

"To be wronged is nothing, unless you continue to remember it."

On the surface, these simple sayings are little more than feel good sound bites. But when you consider that the teachings of Confucius molded Chinese (and by extension, huge chunks of East Asia) philosophy for centuries, even this simple sayings carry a surprising amount of weight. If the concept of revenge and personal begrudgement is such an inherent part of a cultural psyche that *someone* had to point out how ridiculous it is, it's clearly a problem that needed to be addressed.

I'd also like to take a moment to point out that we Americans *also* have a pretty severe grudge holding and vengeance problem. It's hardly unique to the Chinese and Japanese.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 17 March 2016, 18:13:36
Hadn't heard this one, will have to tuck it in memory somewhere.

"Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves."
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 17 March 2016, 18:17:20
It is a very good comment :(
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on 17 March 2016, 22:35:11
It's a little tangential, so this will probably be the last of my Confucius input, but there are a *lot* of old idioms that we've come to accept as pretty much common wisdom in modern parlance that are entirely his creation. Some of my personal favorites:

"Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it." (almost certainly the basis for Hungerford's more famous, beauty is in the eye of the beholder)

"The funniest people are the saddest ones"

"Study the past if you would define the future"

"You cannot open a book without learning something"

"The man who asks a question is a fool for a moment; the man who does not ask is a fool for life"

"And remember, wherever you go, there you are"

"If what you have to say is no better than silence, then one should keep silent"

"Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance"

"Do unto others what you would want done to you"

"To see what is right and not do it is the worst cowardice"

"To be wealthy and honored in an unjust society is a disgrace"

"When a wise man points at the moon, an imbecile examines the finger"

"Have no friends not equal to yourself"

"Never give a sword to a man who can't dance"

"The superior man is modest in his speech, and exceeds in his actions"

"The man who says he can, and the man who says he cannot are both correct" (Do or do not, there is no try)

"Roads were made for journeys, not destinations"

"Worry not that no one knows you; seek to be worth knowing"

And my personal favorite, that often gets attributed to a quotation by Anne Isabella Ritchie, but predates her by nearly 2000 years. Her quote about fish is the one that stuck in modern parlance, but Confucius' rice statement is thought to be the original.

"Give a man a bowl of rice and he can eat for a day. Teach a man to grow rice and you have saved his life."
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 18 March 2016, 16:48:16
"To see what is right and not do it is the worst cowardice"

Has been drummed into me since I was tiny. It can be a hard task master though  ;)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 19 March 2016, 12:54:22
I think Albatross has diverted down the coast of Japan in search of dry dock facilities possibly on account of this:-
20th September 1896 Hakodate
From 12.20 to 12.38 stopped port engine on account of hot bearing.

On October 2nd They are allowed into the Japanese Naval Yard dry docks at Yokosuka near Yokohama. 
No water temperature readings from this date until the 13th October when they leave the dry dock.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 20 March 2016, 03:49:37
2nd October 1896
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At 5.50 got underway, stood out of harbor, and headed for Yokosuka harbor.  Came to anchor at entrance to harbor at 7.26, to await dock authorities,

An officer from the Japanese Flagship Mitsushima boarded the ship.  A Japanese officer from the Navy Yard came on board for the docking plans, which were given him.  At 10.27 hove up and cleared pool anchor, the Japanese Captain of the port and a crew coming on board to handle the ship.  Stood in to Yokosuka harbor and at 11.00 secured at entrance to inner dock, heading into dock.  At 11.50 Japanese Officers and crew came on board to take ship into dock.

At 12 o,clock the Captain of this port with a Japanese crew began to take the ship into dry dock, getting her in position at 12.40.  At 1 o'clock began pumping out dock and Japanese laborers made preparations for cleaning ships bottom.

3rd October 1896
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Removed strainer to magazine flood which was broken, and is to be renewed; and made preparations for gilding scrollwork and letters on the stern.

5th October 1896
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Japanese workmen at work cleaning bottom, calking about bilge Keel and wedging off screws.

Engineer in charge of work on screw shaft &c, reported gear would have to be made in order to back off propellers.

6th October 1896
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Sent word to Engineer of the Yard to go ahead and make necessary gear to wedge off propellers.

Yard workmen drilling holes in end of shaft feathers to draw them out.
I think the feather must be some kind of device that secures the propeller to the propeller shaft.  Having feathers on the Albatross is quite amusing.

7th October 1896
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Dock workmen engaged in taking off propellers.

Yard workmen broke off 1 1/2 inches of feather in starboard propeller shaft in trying to draw it out, then started charcoal fire around hub to heat it.

Yard workmen started starboard propeller, heated port propeller but could not get its feather, and drilled and tapped a deeper hole in end of it.

8th October 1896
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Yard workmen took off starboard propeller.

Yard workmen heated port propeller hub with charcoal fire, drew out feather, and took off propeller.  Lignum vitae strips in both worn down nearly even with metal, there being a play of about 3/8" in each.  The hollows in hub castings of both propellers were nearly filled with mud.

Few yard workmen engaged chipping lignum vitae strips from lower side of shaft bearings at brackets and gilding scroll work on bow.

9th October 1896
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At 6 o'clock yard workmen began to rig stages for painting ship's top side.  Sent men over to clean side before painting.  Few yard workmen engaged renewing zinc plates near rudder gudgeons and on after shaft bracket, commenced painting at 7 o'clock.

Yard workmen painted ship's side and commenced on the bottom, using on the latter, Rahtjens Composition No 1.  Finished renewing zinc plates on shaft brackets and fitted new strainer to magazine flood, also renewing lignum vitae strips on lower side of shaft bearings at the brackets.

Yard workmen finished painting the bottom, putting a second coat from water line about 6 feet wide, renewing lower lignum vitae strips in shaft bearings at brackets.

10th October 1896
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At 6 o'clock yard workmen commenced work renewing lignum vitae strips on lower side of shaft bearings at brackets, and hoisted the starboard propeller into position for putting it on the shaft.

Yard workmen finished renewing lignum vitae strips, and fitted on the starboard propeller, and made preparations for hoisting port propeller.

Japanese workmen finishing work on the port propeller shaft.

Japanese workmen finished work on port propeller shaft and hoisted and fitted the propeller.

11th October 1896
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Japanese workmen at work finishing work on propellers.

12th October 1896
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At 8.30 Japanese workmen finished painting ship's bottom, and at 8.45 commenced flooding the dock.  The dock was flooded to a height of 10 feet.

Dock was emptied from 10 f't to 5 f't to repack stuffing box in port stern tube, in which a slight leak was discovered.

At 4.30 dock was filled to a depth of 10 feet.

13th October 1896
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Dock gates were opened at 6.27 and at 6.37 dock was full.  At 7.50 caisson was removed and at 7.55 Captain of the Port came aboard with Japanese crews to take ship out of dock.

At 8.03 left dry dock.  Hoisted in steam launch. Japanese crew went ashore and at 8.27 stood out of Yokosuka Harbor, Captain of the Port conning.  At 9.00 Captain of Port left the ship, outside of harbor.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 20 March 2016, 05:23:53
 8)

Quote
Yard workmen drilling holes in end of shaft feathers to draw them out.
I think the feather must be some kind of device that secures the propeller to the propeller shaft.  Having feathers on the Albatross is quite amusing.
;D
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 01 April 2016, 16:58:26
15th October 1896
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At 2.40 half-masted our colors as courtesy to the English ship which was half-masted.  At 3.50 hoisted them again.

The 'English ship' is HMS Undaunted which has just arrived in Yokohama.  Possibly half masted for a funeral party?
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 01 April 2016, 17:14:45
21st October 1896 Making preparations to leave Yokohama
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Received on board one No 2 Canvas sail to be used as main trysail, and one windsail for engine room.

I was quite perplexed why the engine room neede a sail.  The Windsail was a device to funnel air into the ship for extra ventilation.  The try sails seem to be used to keep the ship headed into the wind in storms.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 01 April 2016, 19:14:48
15th October 1896
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At 2.40 half-masted our colors as courtesy to the English ship which was half-masted.  At 3.50 hoisted them again.

The 'English ship' is HMS Undaunted which has just arrived in Yokohama.  Possibly half masted for a funeral party?

Just a possibility - because half mast is usually occasioned by a death - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Wells_(Royal_Navy_officer)
Vice Admiral Richard Wells had died just 6 days before hand. He was Commander-in-Chief of the Nore: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commander-in-Chief,_The_Nore
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jebyrnes on 06 April 2016, 17:13:47
That's fascinating! I wonder if our friends on Zooniverse Kelp Forests would be interested? I'm guessing that all this history is known to them anyway. And it's what kelp is dong right now that is their focus.

Yes we are! We'd love to know anywhere in CA or Tazzie or other places that have kelp records. We've got some historical maps, and we're quite interested in looking at if historical beds still occur in the last 30 years. And putting our two projects together would be fantastic!
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 06 April 2016, 18:42:16
Thank you jebyrnes  :D
I'm going to put a comment into the Whaling-Learning the ropes section of the other forum to encourage folks to note any kelp comments.  :D
Strange how so many Zooniverse projects link into the ocean-going jolly tars of old  :)

Here's the note on Panoptes Talk: https://www.zooniverse.org/projects/zooniverse/old-weather/talk/117/13592?comment=95555

Good luck with the Kelp Forests :D
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jebyrnes on 06 April 2016, 21:10:12
That's fabulous! Perhaps we could also search the corpus of transcriptions at some point more formally for mentions of kelp, and begin building a map with linked text from there?
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on 06 April 2016, 23:17:43
I'll definitely keep my eye out. I had a suspicion that you guys would be interested in that.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 07 April 2016, 03:55:44
That's fabulous! Perhaps we could also search the corpus of transcriptions at some point more formally for mentions of kelp, and begin building a map with linked text from there?

You can find the transcriptions of the ships we have finished at: http://www.naval-history.net/OW-US/USAShipsIndex.htm
(There are some more that need to be added ;))

Keep in mind that transcribing anything beyond date, location, and weather is optional.
However, most of the forum regulars are quite willing to help if asked - as we are already doing for aurorae and volcanoes.

Tell us if you want mentions of kelp transcribed and/or noted here in the forum. We could create a special topic for kelp as we did for aurorae (Old Space Weather: sightings of aurorae and sunspots (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3670.0))
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 07 April 2016, 04:12:45
That's fabulous! Perhaps we could also search the corpus of transcriptions at some point more formally for mentions of kelp, and begin building a map with linked text from there?

You can find the transcriptions of the ships we have finished at: http://www.naval-history.net/OW-US/USAShipsIndex.htm
(There are some more that need to be added ;))

Keep in mind that transcribing anything beyond date, location, and weather is optional.
However, most of the forum regulars are quite willing to help if asked - as we are already doing for aurorae and volcanoes.

Tell us if you want mentions of kelp transcribed and/or noted here in the forum. We could create a special topic for kelp as we did for aurorae (Old Space Weather: sightings of aurorae and sunspots (http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3670.0))

You could set up a kelpline helpline :D

Most mentions I see are for floating kelp and I log them in the animal sighting section
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 07 April 2016, 13:05:17
Thank you hurlock!  :D

Sounds like there's more kelp recorded than I imagined.  Love the idea of a kelpline helpline  ;D
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 10 April 2016, 10:00:20
 ;D
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 21 April 2016, 02:15:04
November 30th 1896 preparing to sail from Honolulu
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Disconnected telephone, put wire on Summers' Island, and sent telephone on board the Adams to be delivered to the Agent.

First mention of a telephone I have seen on the ship.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 21 April 2016, 20:10:41
Oh that's exciting. Still find it amazing to come across the phones of pre-1900  :D
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Post by: Hurlock on 24 April 2016, 03:30:09
8th December 1896
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At 6.40 soot in the smoke stack caught on fire and burned for about five minutes, came up the guys and turned steam into base of smoke stack.

9th December 1896
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At 4.30 Soot in the Smoke stack caught on fire, slacked up the guys, and turned steam in base of smoke stack.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 25 April 2016, 04:11:17
10th December 1896 and more fire problems.
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At 10.00 put hose into port middle bunker to put out a small fire due to spontaneous combustion that was discovered in the bunker outboard against the casing.
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Post by: jil on 26 April 2016, 04:31:56
 :o
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Post by: Hurlock on 27 April 2016, 02:54:05
11th December 1896 - Arrival in Sausalito
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Turned hose into port bunker to put out fire that broke out again.  Started to dig it out.

Overcast, cloudy and smoking after entering San Francisco Bay

At 9.07 let go starboard anchor, in veering chain fouled in hawse pipe, and at 9.10 hove up the anchor and cleared the chain.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 27 April 2016, 03:31:15
Miserable start to the day.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 27 April 2016, 03:56:18
Still at least they are home after the tedium of Japan and Hawaii... and the sweltering heat. :D
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Danny252 on 29 April 2016, 17:47:58
I'd say that setting the ship on fire once a day is also a good way to break the tedium!
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 29 April 2016, 18:33:53
 :o ::) ;D
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Post by: Michael on 29 April 2016, 19:18:40
Concord did the same thing at least a couple of times, and they helped put out fires in coal bunkers on at least one other ship, if my memory serves. Maybe that's why they tried to sink a collier a couple of times!  ;D
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Post by: Hurlock on 11 June 2016, 05:10:52
Different log keeper from 18th January for about 4 weeks.  Not very clear handwriting  :(

Voyage 50% complete  :)
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Post by: Hurlock on 11 June 2016, 16:45:14
19th February 1897 Coronado, Cal'
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7 weather codes at 8am
ocqphtl
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 11 June 2016, 17:50:29
 ;D
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 12 July 2016, 02:17:42
Piping new Captain aboard

lollia paolina
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 12 July 2016, 08:41:22
Nice work! Fifth Captain, too. Is that some kind of record?

Piping new Captain aboard

lollia paolina
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 12 July 2016, 10:03:13
Nice work! Fifth Captain, too. Is that some kind of record?

No - leelaht holds the record of six captaincies, and the most anybody else has is four.
I'm keeping track of all the captaincies as part of this: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3551.msg59756#msg59756
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 12 July 2016, 11:17:51
I was wondering if there are any other ships with more than five Captains listed. Impressive feat to be Captain of multiple ships, though.  :o

No - leelaht holds the record of six captaincies, and the most anybody else has is four.
I'm keeping track of all the captaincies as part of this: http://forum.oldweather.org/index.php?topic=3551.msg59756#msg59756
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 12 July 2016, 11:32:09
I was wondering if there are any other ships with more than five Captains listed. Impressive feat to be Captain of multiple ships, though.  :o

Oh, that's what you meant.
As far as I know, five Captains on a ship is indeed the record for "most Captains on a ship".

Software bug means that old Captains don't get demoted when overtaken. It's been like that for years.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on 13 July 2016, 09:43:55
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Near the end of the day, our crew spots smoke from the Mount Scott (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83045604/1895-09-30/ed-1/seq-1/) wildfire.

Also in the Post-Intelligencer on the same day, there's an announcement of a rather famous (among certain legal circles anyway) test case that would later become known as Ward v. Race Horse, which established that state laws can trump federal laws and treaties with regard to Native American tribal groups.

In this particular case, the federal government entered into a treaty with the Shoshone-Bannock tribes, establishing the Fort Hall reservation, and included a provision allowing the tribes to hunt on unoccupied federal lands. Twenty two days later, the federal government passed an act allowing for a temporary government to be enacted in the Wyoming territory, with the intent to craft a constitution and eventually establish statehood. Prior to the admittance of Wyoming to the Union, the Fort Hall reservation included lands within 100 miles of its borders as established hunting grounds.

The initial treaty contained a provision allowing for "the right to hunt upon the unoccupied lands of the United States, so long as game may be found thereon, and so long as peace subsists among the whites and the Indians on the borders of the hunting districts". However, when Wyoming became a state, it did not include (as virtually every other state had, prior to its admittance) a provision recognizing existing treaties between the federal government and native tribal groups.

Furthermore, just five years after becoming a state, the Wyoming legislature enacted a law regulating the killing of game animals within the state. Three months later, Race Horse was arrested in Wyoming for killing seven elk on state lands, and imprisoned. And things then got pretty tricky.

Race Horse conceded, and the state agreed, to the following facts regarding the case. 1) The elk were killed within the boundaries of the state of Wyoming, at a point approximately 100 miles from the Fort Hall reservation. 2) That the elk were killed in violation of the laws of the state of Wyoming. 3) That the elk were killed on unoccupied lands within the boundaries of the state of Wyoming that were held in trust by the federal government, by way of the Department of the Interior, who held the fee of the land. And 4) that the elk were killed in a mountainous region that had not been settled, but was used by white ranchers for grazing cattle, and that said land had been granted a voting district and educational district by the state of Wyoming.

The crux of the argument was with issues three and four, in that, while Wyoming had the right to regulate lands within their borders, the treaty that established the Fort Hall reservation allowed the Shoshone-Bannock people the right to hunt on unoccupied lands. It was further argued that, while the land in question had been granted voting and educational districts, since it was so far removed from the nearest white settlements that its use by tribal hunters was within the limits of the treaty.

An appellate court sided with Race Horse, and demanded his release, but the state of Wyoming appealed that decision to the Supreme Court, suspending habeas corpus for Race Horse until a final decision was made.

The Supreme Court wouldn't actually see this case until several months later (some things never change). They listened to the arguments for both sides, and came to a surprisingly (even for its time) immediate decision, siding with the state of Wyoming.

In his assent, Justice White argued that most of the arguments made were irrelevant, and that whether or not the hunts occurred on unoccupied lands had no bearing on the case. Since the state of Wyoming did not include an exception or reservation for or to the benefit of native tribal groups when it was accepted into the Union, and that the Fort Hall reservation fell under the jurisdiction of the state of Idaho, Wyoming was within its rights to redefine what it considered to be unoccupied lands without regard to the existing treaty with the Shoshone-Bannock tribes. Further, since Race Horse freely admitted that he had killed the elk, and acknowledged that the hunts had occurred on lands within the boundaries of the state of Wyoming, he had no standing with which to argue that his imprisonment was unjustified.

In his dissent, Justice Brown argued that since the land where the hunts took place were unsettled, despite being in a voting and educational district, and that the state allowed that the federal government hold the fee of the land, it qualified as protected by the terms of the original treaty. He further argued that it was suspect that the federal government would draft the treaty with the Shoshone-Bannock peoples, knowing that the territory in which they occasionally hunted would likely be granted statehood only a few short weeks after the treaty was signed. To Justice Brown, the rights of the Shoshone-Bannock to their traditional use of the land was in jeopardy from the outset, and that the federal definition of unoccupied lands should have been used in order to honor the spirit of the treaty, since the Shoshone-Bannock relied on hunting for subsistence. Brown went so far as to call for the drafting of a new treaty with the Shoshone-Bannock, since the spirit of the original treaty (which came at the end of a particularly bloody war between them and the federal government) had been violated by bureaucratic chicanery.

The long-term impact of Ward v Race Horse was that the federal government does not have the ability to supersede states' rights with regard to infringing on the rights of native peoples, and that tribal groups, while nominally sovereign entities, are bound to the laws within the states their borders fall in, which opened the door for states to violate the terms of treaties with native groups at will. This was made somewhat worse by an act passed by Congress in 1871 that forbade the further creation of treaties with native groups, and made all existing tribal entities wards of the federal government (although they would not be made citizens for another 53 years after that, and thus did not have the right to vote, and even *after* being made citizens, many states - most notably Arizona - still overtly did not allow natives to vote until the civil rights movement saw the voter registration act in 1962).
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 13 July 2016, 19:50:23
As you said, Hatterjack, some things never change. :(
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 18 July 2016, 11:01:01
May 15th 1897 New Whatcom
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol029of055/vol029of055_140_1.jpg

lowered dory to pick up net.  At 6.40 sent flat boat to help with net. At 7.25 flat boat returned with shark in tow, measuring 10 ft. 6in in length, caught in net.


Any idea what this sentence is in the meridian to 4pm section
B~ to beam bearing by sound gave Race Island abeam at 2.12 dist. 1.3 miles.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 18 July 2016, 11:34:20
Any idea what this sentence is in the meridian to 4pm section
B~ to beam bearing by sound gave Race Island abeam at 2.12 dist. 1.3 miles.

I think it's: Bow and beam bearing by sound gave Race Island abeam at 2.12 dist. 1.3 miles.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 July 2016, 12:31:35
Ditto
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: HatterJack on 20 July 2016, 06:06:08
I'm also going to agree with Hanibal on this one. That said, bearing by sound seems a bit... inaccurate. I mean, you can get a reasonable approximation, but if you fudge your math the slightest bit and your going to be wildly off when you write your measurement down.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 23 July 2016, 02:46:14
25th May 1897 - Seattle
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol029of055/vol029of055_150_1.jpg

From this date 'Symbols' as per 'illustrative cloud forms' for the guidance of observers in the classification of clouds.

Changes noted to the usual way clouds are being recorded in the WR page. 
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 28 August 2016, 03:42:17
July 9th 1897 
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol030of055/vol030of055_014_1.jpg
A near miss.
Stood into and through Wrangell Narrows, the Pilot Keen conning, Captain & Navigator on deck.  At 7.25 touched bottom lightly on gravel bank under port bilge.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 28 August 2016, 09:19:42
Imagine what might have happened without the pilot  :o
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 29 August 2016, 03:24:06
Among the places mentioned the next day are Danger Point and Peril Straits.  Sergins Channel, Southern Rapids also sounds tricky. 
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 20 October 2016, 08:41:13
(moving discussion here from Jamestown 1844 topic)

We (me and Hanibal) are in April, 1896, so it appears that your stream is open for you.

The Albatross 1890 stream (Aug 1897) I was working has not had any more transcriptions done on it so I shall do a few more.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 21 October 2016, 15:39:23
August 26th 1897 Orca, Alaska
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol030of055/vol030of055_062_1.jpg
Judge Benton Killin, Commissioner of the Dept. of Agriculture, for Alaska, came on board to take passage to Sitka, Alaska.

This possibly marks the start of the U.S. thinking about the possibility of agriculture in Alaska.  He may be looking for sites for experimental stations.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 21 October 2016, 17:09:02
I'm going to swing in here with a terrible depth of ignorance - did Judge Killin find anywhere do you think Hurlock?  :-\
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 21 October 2016, 18:10:01
According to an abstract of the NY Times (1897)
WASHINGTON, Nov. 4. -- Dr. W.H. Evans and Benton Killin, Comissioners appointed to investigate the agricultural possibilities of Alaska, have submitted their reports to Secretary of Agriculture Wilson. The reports agree that, while comparatively little agriculture exists there, it is possible that enough of certain crops and animals may be grown to sustain a considerable population, provided proper methods are pursued.

There were initial, not very successful, research stations set up at Kodiak, Sitka and Kenai. 
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 21 October 2016, 18:37:06
That's interesting - especially that they didn't just write it off straightaway. I guess they were all used to trying to make things work on wild frontiers in those days  :)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 17 November 2016, 01:17:38
These logs are 75% Complete now.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 17 November 2016, 17:24:14
That's exciting news Hurlock  :D

Congratulations Albatross 1890! Three quarters of the way there  :D
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 21 November 2016, 18:40:15
7th October 1897 Victoria, B.C.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol030of055/vol030of055_104_1.jpg
After the ship was anchored, J.J.Taylor, a stowaway from Union Coal Wharf, came on deck and reported himself.

Sent stowaway J.J.Taylor ashore.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: AvastMH on 21 November 2016, 19:02:17
Oh bless - perhaps he hoped to escape to a better life than toiling in the coal wharves?  :(
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Craig on 21 November 2016, 20:15:47
He didn't want to be thought of as a fossil fool  ;D
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 21 November 2016, 20:17:16
 :P ;D
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: leelaht on 11 December 2016, 23:00:09
Feb 17, 1898 in Coronado Cal

About 11.15 the USS Monterey half-masted her colors, US Manadnock,  USCS Patterson, and this ship did the same.  About 11.25 the Commanding Officer of the USS Monterey sent an officer on board to say that he had received an order from the Navy Department, that by direction of the President of the United States, the colors would be displayed at half mast until further orders, on account of the loss of the USS Maine.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 17 December 2016, 11:50:27
Now that Thetis is done, and with Patterson likely done soon, I'll 'retire' from regular OW3 transcribing to make way for others here. Not that I was doing many pages per day, anyway.  :P

Off to the new Whaling logs, and getting things ready for BYOI.  ;D
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 18 December 2016, 06:56:15
Now that Thetis is done, I will be transcribing the Albatross 1890 full-time.
I noticed there is at least one other person in my stream - would they please identify themselves, and state when they tend to transcribe? I wish to work something out to avoid collisions.

P.S: My stream is currently in early March 1898.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: jil on 18 December 2016, 07:55:38
I did a few pages yesterday morning up to 6th March, but I'm retiring to editing now.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 18 December 2016, 08:32:11
I am concentrating on Albatross 1900 now.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: leelaht on 18 December 2016, 08:37:00
I've been working Albatross 1890 since finishing Thetis a few weeks ago
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 18 December 2016, 10:02:50
I've been working Albatross 1890 since finishing Thetis a few weeks ago

Are you also at March/April 1898?
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: leelaht on 18 December 2016, 14:16:49
mid-way through May
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 18 December 2016, 14:31:12
I did a little of Thetis while waiting for Helen and Sylvia to stop for the day on Patterson. I was thinking of doing Albatross_1890 while waiting for Patterson. I just logged in and I'm on April 8, 1898.

I see that Leelaht is transcribing there right now. I'll have to figure out who is on the third stream so that I don't bump into them.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 18 December 2016, 14:35:37
You're on the same stream as me, Michael - I just stopped at April 8th, 1898 a few hours ago.
I'm gonna do a bit more this evening.

By 22:00 my time (UTC+1), I will definitely be done for the day - you can take over then.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 18 December 2016, 14:53:44
You're on the same stream as me, Michael - I just stopped at April 8th, 1898 a few hours ago.
I'm gonna do a bit more this evening.

By 22:00 my time (UTC+1), I will definitely be done for the day - you can take over then.

I'll be on Patterson by then...  ;)

However, I'll keep an eye on your numbers in the future.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 18 December 2016, 14:57:30
Apparently it was an easy transfer from Thetis to Albatross...  ;D

Quote
At 6.27 got underway and came alonside <sic> of the Thetis and moored.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 18 December 2016, 16:19:23
 ;D
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: leelaht on 24 December 2016, 20:08:54
Naughty naughty...
Sept 30, 1898, Mare Island, Cal

By order of the Captain, confined in double irons for five days Hugh McKenzie (Lds) for thowing water on another man's hammock.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: leelaht on 08 January 2017, 15:31:28
May 1, 1899

At 800 am dressed ship, rainbow fashion, waterline to waterline, fore-and-aft, in honor of Admiral Dewey's victory in Manila Bay; observed the day as a holiday.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hurlock on 08 January 2017, 16:01:07
About this time the ship was converted from its scientific role with the fish commission to be an auxiliary cruiser of the USN.  This was part of the deal to get its funding when the ship was first built.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 12 January 2017, 16:21:19
This page has an insert that first covers up the lower half, then most of the top half of the WR.
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol034of055/vol034of055_090_0.jpg
http://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol034of055/vol034of055_091_0.jpg

There is no scan with all the WR visible, so I just transcribed the first 12 (AM) on the first scan, and the rest (PM) on the second.

EDIT: It's the same for the next page, and the next one and the next one too!

https://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol034of055/vol034of055_092_0.jpg
https://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol034of055/vol034of055_093_0.jpg

https://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol034of055/vol034of055_094_0.jpg
https://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol034of055/vol034of055_095_0.jpg

https://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol034of055/vol034of055_096_0.jpg
https://oldweather.s3.amazonaws.com/ow3/final/Albatross/vol034of055/vol034of055_097_0.jpg
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: leelaht on 12 January 2017, 19:48:07
July 4, 1899 in San Francisco

At 800 am dressed ship with Ensign at each mast head in honor of the signing of the Declaration of Independence.  Many vessels in harbor decorated with bunting.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 27 January 2017, 16:33:34
I've gone as far as possible - this ship is all done for me! Yay!

Are you done too, leelaht?
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 27 January 2017, 19:46:12
Not quite, she isn't.  ;)

 I just went to transcribe her and I was given 02 Feb 1900.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 27 January 2017, 22:07:58
I did Feb 1, I think the log runs out at the end of the month.  ;)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: leelaht on 27 January 2017, 22:59:08
My impression is also end of Feb.  I'm leaving off halfway through the month.  Maybe the brownies will finish it by morning  ;)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 28 January 2017, 05:07:16
I think the log runs out at the end of the month.  ;)

It does. So, who's gonna finish her off?
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 28 January 2017, 12:06:56
I think the log runs out at the end of the month.  ;)

It does. So, who's gonna finish her off?

I think we can leave it for Leelaht. The two of you have been awesome in moving her along this far.  :)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 28 January 2017, 12:11:31
Somebody has been working it, it's up to the 24th now.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: leelaht on 28 January 2017, 12:27:19
did a few days, took a break, and can't get back in.  So maybe we're done?

did a few Jamestown, took another look, and looks like it,s not done.  So close!
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Michael on 28 January 2017, 12:39:58
did a few days, took a break, and can't get back in.  So maybe we're done?

did a few Jamestown, took another look, and looks like it,s not done.  So close!

You go, girl!!!   ;)
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 28 January 2017, 12:53:34
FYI I do get a page if I ask for one.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 28 January 2017, 13:00:15
I don't get one anymore. I got sent to Albatross 1900 once, now I just get the 'Something wrong' message. Maybe it is done now?
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Bob on 28 January 2017, 13:01:38
Yup, got sent to 1900...should we declare victory?
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Hanibal94 on 28 January 2017, 13:07:19
Can someone who has never done a page on this ship please check if they get anything to transcribe?
If not, then they can declare victory.
Title: Re: Albatross (1890) -- Discussion: Questions and Comments
Post by: Randi on 28 January 2017, 13:33:45
I now get the "We're sorry, but something went wrong."
I will contact contacted Adam.